[Alpine-info] multiple mailbox locations?

[Patrick J. Collins]

I tried replying a few times, but seems like something in my message is
confusing the mailing list..  So here is a link to my message:

https://collinatorstudios.com/www/alpine.txt

Patrick J. Collins
https://collinatorstudios.com


On Sat, 25 Jun 2022, alpine-info-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu wrote:


> The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your

> original message.

>

> - Results:

>     Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts

>

> - Unprocessed:

>     > the lines begin with a TAB. So it'd be something like:

>     > Should you have a "/" after the "patrick", e.g.,

>     > "/Users/patrick/Documents/mail/patrick/[]"?

>     Aha..  Yes, both of those things were needed.

>     However, now I guess my problem is the format, which is kind of confusing to

>     me...  So I mentioned "dot files" because that's how all of my folders were

>     stored on the remote server, which as far as I know is what alpine created

>     during use.  that mail folder basically has two non-invisible files:

>     -rw-r-----    1 patrick  staff  4104 Jun 21 11:09 dovecot.mailbox.log.2

>     -rw-------    1 patrick  staff  5089 Jun 21 11:12 maildirsize

>     and then all of my folders are dot files (invisible):

>     drwxr-x--x   12 patrick  staff   384 Jun 21 11:37 .sent-mail-sep-2012

>     drwxr-x--x   11 patrick  staff   352 Jun 21 11:16 .sent-mail-sep-2013

>     drwxr-x--x   10 patrick  staff   320 Jun 21 11:26 .sent-mail-sep-2014

>     drwxr-x--x   10 patrick  staff   320 Jun 21 11:19 .sent-mail-sep-2016

>     drwxr-x--x   10 patrick  staff   320 Jun 21 11:19 .sent-mail-sep-2017

>     drwxr-x--x   10 patrick  staff   320 Jun 21 11:17 .sent-mail-sep-2018

>

> - Ignored:

>     ... etc

>

>     Within one of those directories, .sent-mail-sep-2018 for example, has the

>     following contents:

>

>     ~/Documents/mail/patrick/.sent-mail-sep-2018>tree .

>     .

>     ??? cur

>     ??? ??? 1589265452.M997649P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2377,W=2452:2,S

>     ??? ??? 1589265453.M163519P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=931,W=948:2,S

>     ??? ??? 1589265453.M347635P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=508,W=523:2,

>     ??? ??? 1589265453.M467958P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=831,W=852:2,S

>     ??? ??? 1589265453.M599150P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=841,W=864:2,S

>     ??? ??? 1589265453.M782238P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=5114,W=5190:2,

>     ??? ??? 1589265453.M968419P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=5107,W=5175:2,

>     ??? ??? 1589265454.M237423P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1029,W=1057:2,S

>     ??? ??? 1589265454.M557229P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=442,W=456:2,

>     ??? ??? 1589265454.M763921P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2417,W=2467:2,S

>     ??? ??? 1589265454.M921825P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=458,W=474:2,

>     ??? ??? 1589265455.M130583P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1511,W=1544:2,S

>     ??? ??? 1589265455.M341382P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=984,W=1010:2,S

>     ??? ??? 1589265456.M494800P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=692473,W=703841:2,

>     ??? ??? 1589265457.M582095P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=459,W=473:2,

>     ??? ??? 1589265457.M775470P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=505,W=520:2,

>     ??? ??? 1589265457.M932204P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=774,W=797:2,S

>     ??? ??? 1589265458.M199355P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=496,W=514:2,S

>     ??? ??? 1589265458.M442489P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=440,W=454:2,

>     ??? ??? 1589265458.M70102P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1207,W=1230:2,S

>     ??? ??? 1589265458.M781451P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2542,W=2598:2,RSa

>     ??? ??? 1589265459.M349696P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=423,W=437:2,

>     ??? ??? 1589265459.M528535P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2524,W=2580:2,RS

>     ??? ??? 1589265459.M711271P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=642,W=663:2,

>     ??? ??? 1589265459.M94223P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=3052,W=3121:2,S

>     ??? ??? 1589265460.M627294P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=708477,W=720107:2,

>     ??? ??? 1589265461.M386569P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=936,W=961:2,

>     ??? ??? 1589265461.M651887P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1015,W=1037:2,S

>     ??? ??? 1589265462.M670360P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1134010,W=1152620:2,

>     ??? ??? 1589265463.M689693P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=434,W=448:2,S

>     ??? dovecot-keywords

>     ??? dovecot-uidlist

>     ??? dovecot.index.cache

>     ??? dovecot.index.log

>     ??? maildirfolder

>     ??? new

>     ??? tmp

>

>     ....

>

>     regarding formats as you previously mentioned, I don't know ANYTHING about mail

>     formats mbox vs maildir...  But I see that the files under "cur" are my actual

>     messages and they apparently are gzipped..  So I can for example do:

>

>     	~/Documents/mail/patrick/.sent-mail-sep-2018/cur>cat "1589265461.M651887P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1015,W=1037:2,S" | gunzip

>     	Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 21:56:28 -0700 (PDT)

>     	From: "Patrick J. Collins" <patrick at collinatorstudios.com>

>     	To: <someone>

>     	Subject: Re: <a subject>

>     	In-Reply-To: <ECB66D9C-F0B7-40EA-82A1-0A64E4020F32 at bushidowellness.com>

>     	Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.2.11.1809272154410.15107 at darius.local>

>     	References: <F14D5D4A-8B5C-4F19-AB20-F5A2F8C898F9 at gmail.com> <alpine.OSX.2.11.1809271949100.15107 at darius.local> <ECB66D9C-F0B7-40EA-82A1-0A64E4020F32 at bushidowellness.com>

>     	User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (OSX 23 2013-08-11)

>     	MIME-Version: 1.0

>     	Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

>

>       <message contents>

>

>     ...  Anyway, so with the <TAB>Local /Users/patrick/Documents/mail/patrick/[]

>     under folder-collections

>

>     Alpine now shows:

>     --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>     Folder-Collection <Incoming-Folders>

>     --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>     INBOX

>

>     --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>     Folder-Collection <Mail>

>     --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>                                                    [Select Here to See Expanded List]

>

>     --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>     Folder-Collection <Local>

>     --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>                                                    [Select Here to See Expanded List]

>

>     ...  And if I expand under Local there, I see only those two visible files:

>

>     	dovecot.mailbox.log.2    maildirsize

>

>     If I rename one of my folders from a dotfile, say .sent-mail-sep-2018 to

>     sent-mail-sep-2018, then that as well shows up, and if I select it, I see in

>     Alpine:

>

>                                         Local folders in /Users/patrick/Documents/mail/patrick/

>                                                         Dir: sent-mail-sep-2018/

>     --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>     cur/                 dovecot-keywords     dovecot-uidlist      dovecot.index.cache  dovecot.index.log    maildirfolder

>     new/                 tmp/

>

>     and if I select cur...

>                                        Local folders in /Users/patrick/Documents/mail/patrick/

>                                                      Dir: sent-mail-sep-2018/cur/

>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>     1589265452.M997649P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2377,W=2452:2,S        1589265453.M163519P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=931,W=948:2,S

>     1589265453.M347635P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=508,W=523:2,           1589265453.M467958P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=831,W=852:2,S

>     1589265453.M599150P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=841,W=864:2,S          1589265453.M782238P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=5114,W=5190:2,

>     1589265453.M968419P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=5107,W=5175:2,         1589265454.M237423P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1029,W=1057:2,S

>     1589265454.M557229P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=442,W=456:2,           1589265454.M763921P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2417,W=2467:2,S

>     1589265454.M921825P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=458,W=474:2,           1589265455.M130583P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1511,W=1544:2,S

>     1589265455.M341382P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=984,W=1010:2,S         1589265456.M494800P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=692473,W=703841:2,

>     1589265457.M582095P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=459,W=473:2,           1589265457.M775470P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=505,W=520:2,

>     1589265457.M932204P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=774,W=797:2,S          1589265458.M199355P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=496,W=514:2,S

>     1589265458.M442489P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=440,W=454:2,           1589265458.M70102P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1207,W=1230:2,S

>     1589265458.M781451P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2542,W=2598:2,RSa      1589265459.M349696P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=423,W=437:2,

>     1589265459.M528535P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2524,W=2580:2,RS       1589265459.M711271P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=642,W=663:2,

>     1589265459.M94223P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=3052,W=3121:2,S         1589265460.M627294P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=708477,W=720107:2,

>     1589265461.M386569P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=936,W=961:2,           1589265461.M651887P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1015,W=1037:2,S

>     1589265462.M670360P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=1134010,W=1152620:2,   1589265463.M689693P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=434,W=448:2,S

>

>     And selecting any of those results in an unviewable message, such as:

>

>     Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 18:48:57

>     From: patrick at collinatorstudios.com

>     Subject: /Users/patrick/Documents/mail/patrick/sent-mail-sep-2018/cur/1589265452.M997649P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2377,W=2452:2,S

>     Parts/Attachments:

>        1   OK     1.3 KB     Application

>     ----------------------------------------

>

>

>

>         [ Part 1, Application/OCTET-STREAM (Name: "1589265452.M997649P9066.sh11.svwh.net,S=2377,W=2452:2,S") 1.3 KB. ]

>         [ Not Shown. Use the "V" command to view or save this part. ]

>

>     where if I view this, it just opens in my external text editor the unreadable

>     gzipped contents...

>

>     ...........

>

>     So.. my confusion now is, why/how is Alpine able to display these gzipped

>     messages remotely -- but not locally?

>

>     Like I said, I know nothing about mail formats, so I don't even know how I

>     would tell Alpine to use mbox instead of maildir, what the benefit of that

>     would be, but I don't see anything in alpine's config options or the .pinerc

>     file about mbox or maildir, so I don't know how or why it is using maildir

>     (perhaps this is something my webhost company has chosen on my behalf?)

>

>     Anyway, I am kind of at a loss as to what I should be doing to make these

>     messages viewable in Alpine.  Unless I just should gunzip these directories as

>     part of my process of pulling archival folders off of the remote server?

>

>     Any advice or thoughts about this would be greatly appreciated!

>

>     Patrick J. Collins

>     https://collinatorstudios.com

>

>

> - Done.

>

>