[Alpine-info] Automatically expunging?

[Doug Luce via Alpine-info]

The remote IMAP server is my personal Dovecot instance which isn't
configured to expunge on delete. I've updated neither binary nor
config in a year or two.

It appears to be the client doing this, at least that's my
interpretation of this debug output:

      - delete message -
     DELETE: msg 65
     imap_cmd(INBOX, STORE, 0x1)
     IMAP DEBUG 22:13:39 8/22: 01000061 STORE 65 +Flags (\DELETED)
     IMAP DEBUG 22:13:39 8/22: * 65 FETCH (FLAGS (\Deleted Old))
     IMAP DEBUG 22:13:39 8/22: 01000061 OK Store completed (0.076 + 0.000 + 0.075 secs).
     ...
     Mail_Ping(INBOX): lastping=1 er=34 [forced] [current] 22:14:05.627864
     imap_cmd(INBOX, NOOP, 0x0)
     IMAP DEBUG 22:14:05 8/22: 010000bf NOOP
     IMAP DEBUG 22:14:05 8/22: * 65 EXPUNGE
     mm_expunged({imap.server:993/imap/nostarttls/ssl/user="doug"}INBOX,65)
     mm_expunged: rawno=65 msgno=65 nmsgs=114644 max_msgno=114644 flagged_exld=0
     IMAP DEBUG 22:14:05 8/22: 010000bf OK NOOP completed (0.003 + 0.000 + 0.002 secs).
     Ping complete: 22:14:05.644670

Logging on the server also shows the EXPUNGE coming from the client.

It's happening on mailbox ping (like when I press ^L).  The source
shows `EXPUNGEATPING` and `expok` as potential (internal) triggers but
it's not clear what specifically allows this to happen.

Doug


On Fri, 23 Aug 2024, Damion Yates via Alpine-info wrote:


> +1 on checking the IMAP server, this is a common setting for some because the iPhone doesn't handle non-auto expunging on delete and it's the most common IMAP client.

> In GMail this is something you can enable/disable along with a variety of other settings, like only showing the latest 1,000 or doing "archive" rather than delete

> permanently.

> 

>  - Damion

> 

> On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 12:11 AM David Morris via Alpine-info <alpine-info at u.washington.edu> wrote:

>

>       Sorry about the previous content free reply ...

>

>       I'm running 2.26. My mail server and mail files are all on my local system

>       where I run Alpine. I have not of the Expunge settings SET and expunge

>       continues to work the way it always has ... it expunges when I use the

>       eXpunge command, not when I mark deleted.

>

>       If you are using a remote mail server, perhaps the provider changed

>       something. If you, like me, are using a local server, we continue to have

>       a mystery.

>

>       On Thu, 22 Aug 2024, Doug Luce via Alpine-info wrote:

>

>       > Those were some of the first settings I messed with. Setting both (or

>       > either) doesn't seem to make any difference -- 'd' results in an EXPUNGE in

>       > all cases.

>       >

>       > Doug

>       >

>       >

>       > On Thu, 22 Aug 2024, David Lang wrote:

>       >

>       > > On Thu, 22 Aug 2024, Doug Luce via Alpine-info wrote:

>       > >

>       > > > Seems my Alpine (2.26, 4/9/2024) client has started automatically

>       > > > sending an EXPUNGE command after I mark a message deleted (in the

>       > > > INBOX). This wasn't always the case and I'm not sure when it started but

>       > > > my guess is in the last month or two.

>       > > >

>       > > > I can't seem to find a setting that controls this and a quick perusal of

>       > > > the source doesn't clue me in. Anyone know what I may have done to

>       > > > myself?

>       > >

>       > > under settings -> config look for:

>       > >

>       > >      [X]  Expunge Only Manually

>       > >      [X]  Expunge Without Confirming

>       > >

>       > > David Lang

>       > >

>       >

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