From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Mon Jun  3 15:12:25 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Mon Jun  3 15:12:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
Message-ID: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>

Hi,

I am trying to set up Alpine for the first time, but can't get Alpine to 
connect to Fastmail.



( Copy of my message below that I sent to the Debian Group )

Hi Bret,

So you use POP 3 too huh, if your archive goes back 20 years?

I installed ALPINE and couldn't get it to connect to my server. I just 
kept getting " INVALID PASSWORD"

Even though I watched a Youtube video and followed their directions to a T.

imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris

I tried with an app password, still errored.

Then I tried:

imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com

used the same app password

FAILED.

Tried typing the password in manually.

FAILED.

Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FASTMAILUSERNAME

Typed in password.

FAILED

Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FMUSERNAME@FASTMAIL.COM

Typed in password by hand

FAILED.

* shrugs*

I even tried my regular fastmail password.


I am needing to know what am I doing wrong?


============================================================
THANKS IN ADVANCE!

CHRIS

CHRIS@CWM030.COM

* Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram*

~~* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~



From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Mon Jun  3 15:32:34 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Bret Busby via Alpine-info)
Date: Mon Jun  3 15:33:09 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
Message-ID: <98bf80e3-d356-4c21-8127-a1de2731b6bd@busby.net>

On 4/6/24 06:12, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to set up Alpine for the first time, but can't get Alpine
> to connect to Fastmail.
> 
> 
> 
> ( Copy of my message below that I sent to the Debian Group )
> 
> Hi Bret,
> 
> So you use POP 3 too huh, if your archive goes back 20 years?
> 
> I installed ALPINE and couldn't get it to connect to my server. I
> just kept getting " INVALID PASSWORD"
> 
> Even though I watched a Youtube video and followed their directions
> to a T.
> 
> imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris
> 
> I tried with an app password, still errored.
> 
> Then I tried:
> 
> imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com
> 
> used the same app password
> 
> FAILED.
> 
> Tried typing the password in manually.
> 
> FAILED.
> 
> Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FASTMAILUSERNAME
> 
> Typed in password.
> 
> FAILED
> 
> Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FMUSERNAME@FASTMAIL.COM
> 
> Typed in password by hand
> 
> FAILED.
> 
> * shrugs*
> 
> I even tried my regular fastmail password.
> 
> 
> I am needing to know what am I doing wrong?
> 

Hello.

When you referred to trying to log in, using "an app password", please
explain what you mean by "an app password".

Is that password, the same password as for your fastmail account?

I note that, at the end of your message above, you stated "I even tried
my regular fastmail password.".

Why did you try a  password that is different to the email account that
you are trying to access?

When you tried using your fastmail account password, what error message
did you get?

In alpine, when you run alpine, and, are prompted for the password, 
enter <CTRL><c>, which should let you access the menu.

Then, type s (for settings), then C (for configuration).

Then, copy the first five lines, and, post them as they are displayed, 
in a response.

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Mon Jun  3 15:35:46 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Bret Busby via Alpine-info)
Date: Mon Jun  3 15:36:12 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <98bf80e3-d356-4c21-8127-a1de2731b6bd@busby.net>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<98bf80e3-d356-4c21-8127-a1de2731b6bd@busby.net>
Message-ID: <4be1c7d8-52f6-4db3-9537-77d804535546@busby.net>

On 4/6/24 06:32, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:
> On 4/6/24 06:12, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to set up Alpine for the first time, but can't get Alpine
>> to connect to Fastmail.
>>
>>
>>
>> ( Copy of my message below that I sent to the Debian Group )
>>
>> Hi Bret,
>>
>> So you use POP 3 too huh, if your archive goes back 20 years?
>>
>> I installed ALPINE and couldn't get it to connect to my server. I
>> just kept getting " INVALID PASSWORD"
>>
>> Even though I watched a Youtube video and followed their directions
>> to a T.
>>
>> imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris
>>
>> I tried with an app password, still errored.
>>
>> Then I tried:
>>
>> imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com
>>
>> used the same app password
>>
>> FAILED.
>>
>> Tried typing the password in manually.
>>
>> FAILED.
>>
>> Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FASTMAILUSERNAME
>>
>> Typed in password.
>>
>> FAILED
>>
>> Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FMUSERNAME@FASTMAIL.COM
>>
>> Typed in password by hand
>>
>> FAILED.
>>
>> * shrugs*
>>
>> I even tried my regular fastmail password.
>>
>>
>> I am needing to know what am I doing wrong?
>>
> 
> Hello.
> 
> When you referred to trying to log in, using "an app password", please
> explain what you mean by "an app password".
> 
> Is that password, the same password as for your fastmail account?
> 
> I note that, at the end of your message above, you stated "I even tried
> my regular fastmail password.".
> 
> Why did you try a? password that is different to the email account that
> you are trying to access?
> 
> When you tried using your fastmail account password, what error message
> did you get?
> 
> In alpine, when you run alpine, and, are prompted for the password, 
> enter <CTRL><c>, which should let you access the menu.
> 
> Then, type s (for settings), then C (for configuration).
> 
> Then, copy the first five lines, and, post them as they are displayed, 
> in a response.
> 

If your password is included in those first five lines, delete your 
password, before posting those first five lines of the configuration.

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Mon Jun  3 15:59:58 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Bret Busby via Alpine-info)
Date: Mon Jun  3 16:00:23 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <4be1c7d8-52f6-4db3-9537-77d804535546@busby.net>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<98bf80e3-d356-4c21-8127-a1de2731b6bd@busby.net>
	<4be1c7d8-52f6-4db3-9537-77d804535546@busby.net>
Message-ID: <03d9c666-e4fa-42b7-bcc1-a3983b240eea@busby.net>

On 4/6/24 06:35, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:
> On 4/6/24 06:32, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:
>> On 4/6/24 06:12, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am trying to set up Alpine for the first time, but can't get Alpine
>>> to connect to Fastmail.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ( Copy of my message below that I sent to the Debian Group )
>>>
>>> Hi Bret,
>>>
>>> So you use POP 3 too huh, if your archive goes back 20 years?
>>>
>>> I installed ALPINE and couldn't get it to connect to my server. I
>>> just kept getting " INVALID PASSWORD"
>>>
>>> Even though I watched a Youtube video and followed their directions
>>> to a T.
>>>
>>> imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris
>>>
>>> I tried with an app password, still errored.
>>>
>>> Then I tried:
>>>
>>> imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com
>>>
>>> used the same app password
>>>
>>> FAILED.
>>>
>>> Tried typing the password in manually.
>>>
>>> FAILED.
>>>
>>> Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FASTMAILUSERNAME
>>>
>>> Typed in password.
>>>
>>> FAILED
>>>
>>> Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FMUSERNAME@FASTMAIL.COM
>>>
>>> Typed in password by hand
>>>
>>> FAILED.
>>>
>>> * shrugs*
>>>
>>> I even tried my regular fastmail password.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am needing to know what am I doing wrong?
>>>
>>
>> Hello.
>>
>> When you referred to trying to log in, using "an app password", please
>> explain what you mean by "an app password".
>>
>> Is that password, the same password as for your fastmail account?
>>
>> I note that, at the end of your message above, you stated "I even tried
>> my regular fastmail password.".
>>
>> Why did you try a? password that is different to the email account that
>> you are trying to access?
>>
>> When you tried using your fastmail account password, what error message
>> did you get?
>>
>> In alpine, when you run alpine, and, are prompted for the password, 
>> enter <CTRL><c>, which should let you access the menu.
>>
>> Then, type s (for settings), then C (for configuration).
>>
>> Then, copy the first five lines, and, post them as they are displayed, 
>> in a response.
>>
> 
> If your password is included in those first five lines, delete your 
> password, before posting those first five lines of the configuration.
> 

I am sorry - that last sentence should have been

If your password is included in those first five lines, delete your
  password from the text of the message that you are about to post, 
before posting those first five lines of the configuration.

I realised, after posting, that it could have been dangerously 
misconstrued to mean delete your password in your fastmail account.

Sorry about that.

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Mon Jun  3 17:15:27 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info)
Date: Mon Jun  3 17:15:31 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.2406032013280.2585431@users.shellworld.net>

Chris,
Have you asked fastmail support to confirm their process for using a 
third party application?
It might need to be done, in part, from within your account with them?
Just tossing out ideas.
Karen



On Mon, 3 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am trying to set up Alpine for the first time, but can't get Alpine to 
> connect to Fastmail.
>
>
>
> ( Copy of my message below that I sent to the Debian Group )
>
> Hi Bret,
>
> So you use POP 3 too huh, if your archive goes back 20 years?
>
> I installed ALPINE and couldn't get it to connect to my server. I just kept 
> getting " INVALID PASSWORD"
>
> Even though I watched a Youtube video and followed their directions to a T.
>
> imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris
>
> I tried with an app password, still errored.
>
> Then I tried:
>
> imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com
>
> used the same app password
>
> FAILED.
>
> Tried typing the password in manually.
>
> FAILED.
>
> Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FASTMAILUSERNAME
>
> Typed in password.
>
> FAILED
>
> Then I tried imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=FMUSERNAME@FASTMAIL.COM
>
> Typed in password by hand
>
> FAILED.
>
> * shrugs*
>
> I even tried my regular fastmail password.
>
>
> I am needing to know what am I doing wrong?
>
>
> ============================================================
> THANKS IN ADVANCE!
>
> CHRIS
>
> CHRIS@CWM030.COM
>
> * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram*
>
> ~ ~ * Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Alpine-info mailing list
> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu
> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info
>
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Mon Jun  3 17:28:37 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Mon Jun  3 17:28:45 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.2406032013280.2585431@users.shellworld.net>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.2406032013280.2585431@users.shellworld.net>
Message-ID: <abd0f3b0-652c-d456-f5b5-97ddf9d7745e@CWM030.COM>

Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Chris,
> Have you asked fastmail support to confirm their process for using a 
> third party application?
> It might need to be done, in part, from within your account with them?
> Just tossing out ideas.
> Karen
>
>

Hi Karen,

No I haven't. Just my luck FM's people will be like " Whats Alpine? I've 
never heard of that!
If I've never heard of it, then we don't support it."? * laugh and sighs*
>>
>> ============================================================
>> THANKS IN ADVANCE!
>>
>> CHRIS
>>
>> CHRIS@CWM030.COM
>>
>> * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram*
>>
>> ~ ~ * Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
>

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Mon Jun  3 17:47:48 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info)
Date: Mon Jun  3 17:48:03 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <abd0f3b0-652c-d456-f5b5-97ddf9d7745e@CWM030.COM>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.2406032013280.2585431@users.shellworld.net>
	<abd0f3b0-652c-d456-f5b5-97ddf9d7745e@CWM030.COM>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.2406032042100.2585794@users.shellworld.net>

I am sure they have heard about alpine, but that is not really the question 
for them.
Instead, speaking personally, the question should be something like Hi.  I 
wish to use imap and the third party application alpine to read my 
fastmail.
Do I need an application password for this, or is there another way?

If fastmail supports imap, which  it seems to do, then fastmile likely has 
a process for telling the service what that application is for them 
specifically.
Make sense?



On Mon, 3 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

> Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>  Chris,
>>  Have you asked fastmail support to confirm their process for using a third
>>  party application?
>>  It might need to be done, in part, from within your account with them?
>>  Just tossing out ideas.
>>  Karen
>> 
>> 
>
> Hi Karen,
>
> No I haven't. Just my luck FM's people will be like " Whats Alpine? I've 
> never heard of that!
> If I've never heard of it, then we don't support it."? * laugh and sighs*
>> > 
>> >  ============================================================
>> >  THANKS IN ADVANCE!
>> > 
>> >  CHRIS
>> > 
>> >  CHRIS@CWM030.COM
>> > 
>> >  * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram*
>> > 
>> > ~ ~  * Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
>> 
>
> _______________________________________________
> Alpine-info mailing list
> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu
> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info
>
>
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Mon Jun  3 17:49:55 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Mon Jun  3 17:50:07 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.2406032042100.2585794@users.shellworld.net>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.2406032013280.2585431@users.shellworld.net>
	<abd0f3b0-652c-d456-f5b5-97ddf9d7745e@CWM030.COM>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.2406032042100.2585794@users.shellworld.net>
Message-ID: <34880573-766b-777c-8889-57e430840d4c@CWM030.COM>

Karen Lewellen wrote:
> I am sure they have heard about alpine, but that is not really the 
> question for them.
> Instead, speaking personally, the question should be something like 
> Hi.? I wish to use imap and the third party application alpine to read 
> my fastmail.
> Do I need an application password for this, or is there another way?
>
> If fastmail supports imap, which? it seems to do, then fastmile likely 
> has a process for telling the service what that application is for 
> them specifically.
> Make sense?
>
>
>

Yes.

 > > ============================================================
 >? THANKS IN ADVANCE!
 > >? CHRIS
 > > CHRIS@CWM030.COM
 > >? * Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram*
 > > ~ ~? * Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Mon Jun  3 19:10:00 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info)
Date: Mon Jun  3 19:10:07 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <34880573-766b-777c-8889-57e430840d4c@CWM030.COM>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.2406032013280.2585431@users.shellworld.net>
	<abd0f3b0-652c-d456-f5b5-97ddf9d7745e@CWM030.COM>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.2406032042100.2585794@users.shellworld.net>
	<34880573-766b-777c-8889-57e430840d4c@CWM030.COM>
Message-ID: <9058def8-4f75-4803-beda-1fa344cc1852@telefonica.net>

On 2024-06-04 02:49, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> I am sure they have heard about alpine, but that is not really the 
>> question for them.
>> Instead, speaking personally, the question should be something like 
>> Hi.? I wish to use imap and the third party application alpine to read 
>> my fastmail.
>> Do I need an application password for this, or is there another way?
>>
>> If fastmail supports imap, which? it seems to do, then fastmile likely 
>> has a process for telling the service what that application is for 
>> them specifically.
>> Make sense?
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Yes.

They surely have a web page specifying what parameters are needed for 
any generic imap mail client. Do you have that link?

I found a possible page at 
<https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/1500000279921-IMAP-POP-and-SMTP>

   IMAP 	imap.fastmail.com 	Port 993
   POP 	pop.fastmail.com 	Port 995
   SMTP 	smtp.fastmail.com 	Port 465 (SSL) or 587 (STARTTLS)


What they do not say is what form take the expected login and password. 
There is, however, another link:

<https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/1500000278342-Server-names-and-ports>

where it says:

   You will need to get an app password to connect to these servers.
   You cannot use your regular Fastmail password.

and the configuration details are:

   IMAP

   Server 	imap.fastmail.com
   Port 	993
   SSL/TLS Encryption 	Enabled, but not STARTTLS
   Username 	Your Fastmail email address, including the domain.
   Password 	Your app-specific password. You cannot use your regular 
Fastmail password.

   Root folder/IMAP path
     prefix 	(leave blank)
   Folder separator 	/ (forward slash)


With that data, a configuration string for alpine can be concocted

incoming-folders=...
   "fastmail" {imap.fastmail.com/tls/user=chris@cwm030.com}INBOX,
   ...


And give the specific application password when asked. If that fails, 
start alpine with imap debug options, which I don't remember offhand.



-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Mon Jun  3 19:18:02 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info)
Date: Mon Jun  3 19:18:14 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <9058def8-4f75-4803-beda-1fa344cc1852@telefonica.net>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.2406032013280.2585431@users.shellworld.net>
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	<9058def8-4f75-4803-beda-1fa344cc1852@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <0a199a75-edc9-513a-eb46-302067788c0c@yandex.com>

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:

> [...]
>   Server 	imap.fastmail.com
>   Port 	993
>   SSL/TLS Encryption 	Enabled, but not STARTTLS
>   Username 	Your Fastmail email address, including the domain.
>   Password 	Your app-specific password. You cannot use your regular
> Fastmail password.
>
>   Root folder/IMAP path
>     prefix 	(leave blank)
>   Folder separator 	/ (forward slash)
>
>
> With that data, a configuration string for alpine can be concocted
>
> incoming-folders=...
>   "fastmail" {imap.fastmail.com/tls/user=chris@cwm030.com}INBOX,

Thank you Carlos for taking the time to investigate. The only correction 
that I would make is that the above configuration needs to be

incoming-folders=...
    "fastmail" {imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com}INBOX,

The effect of /tls is to do STARTTLS, which is normally done in port 143, 
not in port 993, which is where /ssl is set by default.

-- 
Eduardo
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Mon Jun  3 19:21:24 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info)
Date: Mon Jun  3 19:21:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <9058def8-4f75-4803-beda-1fa344cc1852@telefonica.net>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.2406032013280.2585431@users.shellworld.net>
	<abd0f3b0-652c-d456-f5b5-97ddf9d7745e@CWM030.COM>
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On 2024-06-04 04:10, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:
> On 2024-06-04 02:49, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

...

> and the configuration details are:
> 
>  ? IMAP
> 
>  ? Server???? imap.fastmail.com
>  ? Port???? 993
>  ? SSL/TLS Encryption???? Enabled, but not STARTTLS
>  ? Username???? Your Fastmail email address, including the domain.
>  ? Password???? Your app-specific password. You cannot use your regular 
> Fastmail password.

Oh, and there is another link for application passwords:

<https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/360058752854-App-passwords>

?Every third-party program or app needs its own app password to access 
your information. For the Fastmail app, you need to use your normal 
password. If you use your normal password or your Fastmail two-step 
verification password on an external account, syncing to an external 
service won't work and you will see a password error.

Users on a Basic plan will not be able to use Fastmail on third-party 
mail clients or create app passwords, as Basic plans do not include 
access to IMAP, SMTP, CalDAV, or CardDAV. If you are on a Basic plan, 
you can use Fastmail on a desktop web browser or the Fastmail app on 
mobile devices, such as a phone or tablet.?

And there are instructions on how to generate application passwords. It 
must be generated specifically for imap email.



-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Mon Jun  3 19:26:55 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info)
Date: Mon Jun  3 19:27:03 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
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On 2024-06-04 04:18, Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:
> 
>> [...]
>> ? Server???? imap.fastmail.com
>> ? Port???? 993
>> ? SSL/TLS Encryption???? Enabled, but not STARTTLS
>> ? Username???? Your Fastmail email address, including the domain.
>> ? Password???? Your app-specific password. You cannot use your regular
>> Fastmail password.
>>
>> ? Root folder/IMAP path
>> ??? prefix???? (leave blank)
>> ? Folder separator???? / (forward slash)
>>
>>
>> With that data, a configuration string for alpine can be concocted
>>
>> incoming-folders=...
>> ? "fastmail" {imap.fastmail.com/tls/user=chris@cwm030.com}INBOX,
> 
> Thank you Carlos for taking the time to investigate. The only correction 
> that I would make is that the above configuration needs to be
> 
> incoming-folders=...
>  ?? "fastmail" {imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com}INBOX,
> 
> The effect of /tls is to do STARTTLS, which is normally done in port 
> 143, not in port 993, which is where /ssl is set by default.

I had that doubt myself, yes. Thanks.

I also found the instructions on how to generate the required 
application password, and it must be one for email, not "contacts" nor 
"calendars" nor "files".

-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 02:52:52 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Kjell_R=F6nnmark?= via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 02:52:57 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
Message-ID: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>

Hi,

Have you noticed that the snap version of Firefox in Ubuntu cannot access /tmp?
See  https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/firefox-snap-no-access-to-gvfs-and-tmp/27253

As far as I understand, alpine copies attached html files to /tmp, and I have not
found an easy way to change this (although I can work around it with a small script).

Can can this issue be handled within alpine i a simple way?

Best wishes,

Kjell
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 03:03:27 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Bret Busby via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 03:03:54 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
In-Reply-To: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
References: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
Message-ID: <f4011671-23c2-436b-8d08-b99833f405ed@busby.net>

On 4/6/24 17:52, Kjell R?nnmark via Alpine-info wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Have you noticed that the snap version of Firefox in Ubuntu cannot 
> access /tmp?
> See  
> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/firefox-snap-no-access-to-gvfs-and-tmp/27253
> 
> As far as I understand, alpine copies attached html files to /tmp, and I 
> have not
> found an easy way to change this (although I can work around it with a 
> small script).
> 
> Can can this issue be handled within alpine i a simple way?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Kjell

Try using Linux Mint instead of Ubuntu.

Linux Mint does not impose snap.

Linux Mint uses a different Firefox to snapped Firefox.

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 04:02:42 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 04:03:06 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
In-Reply-To: <f4011671-23c2-436b-8d08-b99833f405ed@busby.net>
References: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
	<f4011671-23c2-436b-8d08-b99833f405ed@busby.net>
Message-ID: <67c0b0f8-a33b-edaf-f976-a5b54bd3efa9@aitchison.me.uk>

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:

> On 4/6/24 17:52, Kjell R?nnmark via Alpine-info wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Have you noticed that the snap version of Firefox in Ubuntu cannot access 
>> /tmp?
>> See 
>> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/firefox-snap-no-access-to-gvfs-and-tmp/27253
>> 
>> As far as I understand, alpine copies attached html files to /tmp, and I 
>> have not
>> found an easy way to change this (although I can work around it with a 
>> small script).
>> 
>> Can can this issue be handled within alpine i a simple way?
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Kjell
>
> Try using Linux Mint instead of Ubuntu.

... or the Firefox built by Mozilla for Debian and Ubuntu:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux?utm_source=www.mozilla.org&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=firefox-download-thanks#w_install-firefox-deb-package-for-debian-based-distributions

I have been using the .tar.* builds which have an option in "help"
to update themselves.
I also see that Mozilla now offer a Debian/Ubuntu repo,
though apt seems to choose the snap version over the mozilla one,
even after
 	sudo apt install firefox/mozilla

-- 
Andrew C. Aitchison                      Kendal, UK
                    andrew@aitchison.me.uk
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 04:32:26 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Kjell_R=F6nnmark?= via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 04:32:29 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
In-Reply-To: <98a5128f6e7743d7a2c8eb051e0ddae1@GVZP280MB0976.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
	<98a5128f6e7743d7a2c8eb051e0ddae1@GVZP280MB0976.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <adf5a919-147-51d8-8cfa-fe2c7d8aa81@umu.se>

Are you suggesting that alpine should be removed from ubuntu? Is the risk 
that some other distributions will adopt snap negligible? The script I 
wrote solves my problem, but others may abandon alpine rather than ubuntu.

I realize that alpine has very limited resources for development. That's 
why I raised the question, hoping that someone  would have a slightly more 
ambitious but still manageable idea.

/Kjell

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:

> On 4/6/24 17:52, Kjell R?nnmark via Alpine-info wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Have you noticed that the snap version of Firefox in Ubuntu cannot
>> access /tmp?
>> See
>> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/firefox-snap-no-access-to-gvfs-and-tmp/27253
>>
>> As far as I understand, alpine copies attached html files to /tmp, and I
>> have not
>> found an easy way to change this (although I can work around it with a
>> small script).
>>
>> Can can this issue be handled within alpine i a simple way?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Kjell
>
> Try using Linux Mint instead of Ubuntu.
>
> Linux Mint does not impose snap.
>
> Linux Mint uses a different Firefox to snapped Firefox.
>
> ....
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> Western Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> .................
>
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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 07:21:46 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 07:22:02 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
In-Reply-To: <67c0b0f8-a33b-edaf-f976-a5b54bd3efa9@aitchison.me.uk>
References: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
	<f4011671-23c2-436b-8d08-b99833f405ed@busby.net>
	<67c0b0f8-a33b-edaf-f976-a5b54bd3efa9@aitchison.me.uk>
Message-ID: <5ccbb0b5-e8af-84ab-649e-400861e433b9@aitchison.me.uk>

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:
>
>> On 4/6/24 17:52, Kjell R?nnmark via Alpine-info wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Have you noticed that the snap version of Firefox in Ubuntu cannot access 
>>> /tmp?
>>> See 
>>> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/firefox-snap-no-access-to-gvfs-and-tmp/27253
>>> 
>>> As far as I understand, alpine copies attached html files to /tmp, and I 
>>> have not
>>> found an easy way to change this (although I can work around it with a 
>>> small script).
>>> 
>>> Can can this issue be handled within alpine i a simple way?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Kjell
>> 
>> Try using Linux Mint instead of Ubuntu.
>
> ... or the Firefox built by Mozilla for Debian and Ubuntu:
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux?utm_source=www.mozilla.org&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=firefox-download-thanks#w_install-firefox-deb-package-for-debian-based-distributions
>
> I have been using the .tar.* builds which have an option in "help"
> to update themselves.
> I also see that Mozilla now offer a Debian/Ubuntu repo,

... which seems to work fine ...

> though apt seems to choose the snap version over the mozilla one,
> even after
> 	sudo apt install firefox/mozilla

... as long as you follow the instructions given correctly.
I failed to do that.

-- 
Andrew C. Aitchison                      Kendal, UK
                    andrew@aitchison.me.uk
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 07:54:42 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 07:54:53 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
In-Reply-To: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
References: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
Message-ID: <b798c595-8c5d-1732-2cb6-0978b4cafd59@yandex.com>

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Kjell R?nnmark via Alpine-info wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Have you noticed that the snap version of Firefox in Ubuntu cannot access /tmp?
> See  https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/firefox-snap-no-access-to-gvfs-and-tmp/27253
>
> As far as I understand, alpine copies attached html files to /tmp, and I 
> have not found an easy way to change this (although I can work around it 
> with a small script).
>
> Can can this issue be handled within alpine i a simple way?
>

Kjell,

I think you sent me this message and I replied to you but your service 
rejected my message, but since it is in german, I have no idea why. At 
that time I told you that Alpine can configure the location of /tmp. From 
the release notes:

    Unix _Alpine_ uses the following environment variables:
    TERM
           Tells _Alpine_ what kind of terminal is being used.
    DISPLAY
           Determines if _Alpine_ will try to display IMAGE attachments.
    TMPDIR, TMP, or TEMP
           Specifies location of temporary storage area, first one set wins
    SHELL
           If not set, default is /bin/sh
    MAILCAPS
           A semicolon delimited list of path names to mailcap files.

What I fail to understand is how is this something that Alpine has to work 
around? /tmp is not an invention of Alpine. How did you work around this 
that is so bad? (what was your script like?). In earnest, I fail to 
understand why Alpine has to do anything here because someone implements 
their own file system? What is the rationale? Why would ubuntu delete 
Alpine? I am sorry, I just do not see the problem here as an Alpine 
problem. If you could explain to me what you see the issue is, I would try 
to do something from Alpine to solve it, but I just do not see it. As far 
as I can tell, you can solve it by setting an environment variable. Does 
that solve the problem for you?

-- 
Eduardo
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 08:34:36 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Bret Busby via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 08:35:14 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
In-Reply-To: <adf5a919-147-51d8-8cfa-fe2c7d8aa81@umu.se>
References: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
	<98a5128f6e7743d7a2c8eb051e0ddae1@GVZP280MB0976.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<adf5a919-147-51d8-8cfa-fe2c7d8aa81@umu.se>
Message-ID: <bc1b0dc7-9070-46d0-b03e-55c0417a0d87@busby.net>

On 4/6/24 19:32, Kjell R?nnmark via Alpine-info wrote:
> Are you suggesting that alpine should be removed from ubuntu? 

<snip>


> 
> On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:
> 
>> On 4/6/24 17:52, Kjell R?nnmark via Alpine-info wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Have you noticed that the snap version of Firefox in Ubuntu cannot
>>> access /tmp?
>>> See
>>> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/firefox-snap-no-access-to-gvfs-and-tmp/27253
>>>
>>> As far as I understand, alpine copies attached html files to /tmp, and I
>>> have not
>>> found an easy way to change this (although I can work around it with a
>>> small script).
>>>
>>> Can can this issue be handled within alpine i a simple way?
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Kjell
>>
>> Try using Linux Mint instead of Ubuntu.
>>
>> Linux Mint does not impose snap.
>>
>> Linux Mint uses a different Firefox to snapped Firefox.
>>
>> ....
>> Bret Busby
>> Armadale
>> Western Australia
>> (UTC+0800)
>> .................
>>
Prithee explain where I either suggested or inferred that alpine should 
be removed from Ubuntu?

Your inference is offensive.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 09:05:13 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 09:05:23 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
In-Reply-To: <bc1b0dc7-9070-46d0-b03e-55c0417a0d87@busby.net>
References: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
	<98a5128f6e7743d7a2c8eb051e0ddae1@GVZP280MB0976.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<adf5a919-147-51d8-8cfa-fe2c7d8aa81@umu.se>
	<bc1b0dc7-9070-46d0-b03e-55c0417a0d87@busby.net>
Message-ID: <98b1b14e-f4bf-43ec-5d2a-a87bc85f0b0a@yandex.com>

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:

> Prithee explain where I either suggested or inferred that alpine should 
> be removed from Ubuntu?
>
> Your inference is offensive.

Removing Alpine from Ubuntu does not solve this issue, but if they do, 
people can still compile it, or download it from another provider, so it 
is not a big deal. I wonder how other software (say mutt) is dealing 
with this.

My concern here is that I do not see why Alpine has to do something, or 
what is what Alpine has to do. This makes no sense to me. I am trying to 
understand this. Maybe someone (the original poster?) can explain this to 
me.

Thank you.

-- 
Eduardo
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 09:16:55 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Bret Busby via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 09:17:30 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
In-Reply-To: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
References: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
Message-ID: <509974c3-fa27-46bf-be93-e1d35d9ad3af@busby.net>

On 4/6/24 17:52, Kjell R?nnmark via Alpine-info wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Have you noticed that the snap version of Firefox in Ubuntu cannot 
> access /tmp?
> See  
> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/firefox-snap-no-access-to-gvfs-and-tmp/27253
> 
> As far as I understand, alpine copies attached html files to /tmp, and I 
> have not
> found an easy way to change this (although I can work around it with a 
> small script).
> 
> Can can this issue be handled within alpine i a simple way?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Kjell

If you really want to view emailed HTML files, why not use lynx?
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 09:27:57 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Kjell_R=F6nnmark?= via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 09:28:30 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
In-Reply-To: <95d1b85065354465a4a92f9632613a5b@GVZP280MB0976.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
	<95d1b85065354465a4a92f9632613a5b@GVZP280MB0976.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <467b1ade-18aa-92fa-38ab-39f15aa1ceb@umu.se>


Sorry Bret,
I didn't intend to be offensive, but when you wrote Try using 
Linux Mint instead of Ubuntu I took it to mean that alpine and Ubuntu are 
incompatible. In that were true, alpine should in my opinion not be 
distributed with Ubuntu. Fortunately, the solution suggested by Eduardo 
clears up this matter.
/Kjell
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 10:15:02 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Bret Busby via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 10:15:27 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
In-Reply-To: <467b1ade-18aa-92fa-38ab-39f15aa1ceb@umu.se>
References: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
	<95d1b85065354465a4a92f9632613a5b@GVZP280MB0976.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<467b1ade-18aa-92fa-38ab-39f15aa1ceb@umu.se>
Message-ID: <28f66f40-c23c-4525-99cc-a3bf27c94cf6@busby.net>

On 5/6/24 00:27, Kjell R?nnmark via Alpine-info wrote:
> 
> Sorry Bret,
> I didn't intend to be offensive, but when you wrote Try using Linux Mint 
> instead of Ubuntu I took it to mean that alpine and Ubuntu are 
> incompatible. In that were true, alpine should in my opinion not be 
> distributed with Ubuntu. Fortunately, the solution suggested by Eduardo 
> clears up this matter.
> /Kjell

If you go back to the message that I posted, to which you responded as 
you did, and, read my message again, slowly, thinking about what I said, 
in the context of your message about the Ubuntu snap version of Firefox, 
my message did not refer to alpine, but, to trying Linux Mint, which has 
a different version of Firefox, to the Ubuntu snap version of Firefox, 
with, from what you had said, your problem lay with the Ubuntu snap 
version of Firefox, and with Linux Mint not using snap.

So, go back to what I posted, with your message to which I was 
responding, and, read it all again, slowly, and, thinking about what was 
said.

....
Bret Busby
Armadale
Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
.................

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 12:08:06 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 12:08:13 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
In-Reply-To: <28f66f40-c23c-4525-99cc-a3bf27c94cf6@busby.net>
References: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
	<95d1b85065354465a4a92f9632613a5b@GVZP280MB0976.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<467b1ade-18aa-92fa-38ab-39f15aa1ceb@umu.se>
	<28f66f40-c23c-4525-99cc-a3bf27c94cf6@busby.net>
Message-ID: <6cf2cfe7-cccb-423d-bf96-ceedc292cec8@telefonica.net>

On 2024-06-04 19:15, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:
> On 5/6/24 00:27, Kjell R?nnmark via Alpine-info wrote:
>>
>> Sorry Bret,
>> I didn't intend to be offensive, but when you wrote Try using Linux 
>> Mint instead of Ubuntu I took it to mean that alpine and Ubuntu are 
>> incompatible. In that were true, alpine should in my opinion not be 
>> distributed with Ubuntu. Fortunately, the solution suggested by 
>> Eduardo clears up this matter.
>> /Kjell
> 
> If you go back to the message that I posted, to which you responded as 
> you did, and, read my message again, slowly, thinking about what I said, 
> in the context of your message about the Ubuntu snap version of Firefox, 
> my message did not refer to alpine, but, to trying Linux Mint, which has 
> a different version of Firefox, to the Ubuntu snap version of Firefox, 
> with, from what you had said, your problem lay with the Ubuntu snap 
> version of Firefox, and with Linux Mint not using snap.

I have read it several times and I still have no idea what the problem is.

Why can you not read html files in /tmp, who impedes it and why?

-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 12:23:24 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 12:23:38 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
In-Reply-To: <509974c3-fa27-46bf-be93-e1d35d9ad3af@busby.net>
References: <509974c3-fa27-46bf-be93-e1d35d9ad3af@busby.net>
Message-ID: <o25q5n75-26s-p287-8440-q72659rs87@ynzoengr.vans.vg>

On Wed, 5 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:

> If you really want to view emailed HTML files, why not use lynx?

OK, personally I hate HTML e-mail (specially those which are the 
duplicated of the main plain text body, and in fact have procmail filters 
which strip the out [saving a backup just in case :-)], but there are at 
least two cases in which I need to view them (one is a newsletter sent as 
Attach0.html, and the other one is a page asking monthly renewal of a free 
subscription).

Now here is what I do, which is actuallyu a bit contrived because of my 
arrangement (I usually work from home, running ssh into the work machine 
where alpine runs).

- I do V to view the attachment index
- I select the HTML attachment
- I do S to save it a local disk on the work machine, in a location
   I choose  (~lucio/temp/TransferArea)

- on my home machine in the browser I can access the transfer area
   via http  and access the saved html page

(of course if I am at work, I get the page displayed in the local browser 
with a single click)
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 12:58:59 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Kjell_R=F6nnmark?= via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 12:59:04 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
In-Reply-To: <16a36cb271c84838aaaf326ca74e000e@GV3P280MB0972.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
	<95d1b85065354465a4a92f9632613a5b@GVZP280MB0976.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<467b1ade-18aa-92fa-38ab-39f15aa1ceb@umu.se>
	<28f66f40-c23c-4525-99cc-a3bf27c94cf6@busby.net> 
	<16a36cb271c84838aaaf326ca74e000e@GV3P280MB0972.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Carlos,
Preventing Firefox from reading /tmp is a feature in snap, presumably for 
some security reason that I don't understand. Follow the link in my first 
mail for some more info.
/Kjell
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 12:59:46 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 12:59:58 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
In-Reply-To: <6cf2cfe7-cccb-423d-bf96-ceedc292cec8@telefonica.net>
References: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
	<95d1b85065354465a4a92f9632613a5b@GVZP280MB0976.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<467b1ade-18aa-92fa-38ab-39f15aa1ceb@umu.se>
	<28f66f40-c23c-4525-99cc-a3bf27c94cf6@busby.net>
	<6cf2cfe7-cccb-423d-bf96-ceedc292cec8@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <64d3bf3c-0464-b5c5-999e-99a17dd45dcc@aitchison.me.uk>

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:

> I have read it several times and I still have no idea what 
> the problem is.
>
> Why can you not read html files in /tmp, who impedes it and 
> why?

The Firefox shipped with Ubuntu cannot read /tmp because it is a snap,
ie packaged inside a secure container. The container deliberately only
has access to a restricted part of the file-system, which cannot be
changed without rebuilding the whole package (I think you can mount
things in these places).

If you set TMPDIR (or one of the related variables that Eduardo
mentioned) alpine will look in that directory instead. This directory
must already exist. Set it to something inside your home directory,
or (I think) to /tmp/user/<uid> then firefox should be able to read
the file.  <uid> is the first number against your username in the
password file.

This is too much of a fight for me, so I use the Firefox built for
Ubuntu by Mozilla instead.

-- 
Andrew C. Aitchison                      Kendal, UK
                    andrew@aitchison.me.uk
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 14:02:38 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Kjell_R=F6nnmark?= via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 14:02:44 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
In-Reply-To: <141e3e45ad2a49b59dcabdc0bc3d3c49@GVZP280MB0976.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
	<98a5128f6e7743d7a2c8eb051e0ddae1@GVZP280MB0976.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<adf5a919-147-51d8-8cfa-fe2c7d8aa81@umu.se>
	<bc1b0dc7-9070-46d0-b03e-55c0417a0d87@busby.net> 
	<141e3e45ad2a49b59dcabdc0bc3d3c49@GVZP280MB0976.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <28a84273-5012-73a0-9bfd-15543ac33a8@umu.se>


Setting TMP, TEMP or TEMPDIR is just the kind of solution I was looking 
for, but I could not find it until Eduardo told  me. In fact, I have still 
not found the relesase notes he refers to, but export TEMP="$HOME/tmp" 
seems to work just fine.

Thanks for your interest in  my question.


From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 14:08:54 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 14:08:58 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <0a199a75-edc9-513a-eb46-302067788c0c@yandex.com>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<9058def8-4f75-4803-beda-1fa344cc1852@telefonica.net>
	<0a199a75-edc9-513a-eb46-302067788c0c@yandex.com>
Message-ID: <202406041608.54329.CHRIS@cwm030.com>

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:

> [...]
> ? Server ?????imap.fastmail.com
> ? Port ???????993
> ? SSL/TLS Encryption ?Enabled, but not STARTTLS
> ? Username ???Your Fastmail email address, including the domain.
> ? Password ???Your app-specific password. You cannot use your regular
> Fastmail password.
>
> ? Root folder/IMAP path
> ? ? prefix ???(leave blank)
> ? Folder separator ???/ (forward slash)
>
>
> With that data, a configuration string for alpine can be concocted
>
> incoming-folders=...
> ? "fastmail" {imap.fastmail.com/tls/user=chris@cwm030.com}INBOX,

Thank you Carlos for taking the time to investigate. The only correction 
that I would make is that the above configuration needs to be

incoming-folders=...
? ? "fastmail" {imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com}INBOX,

The effect of /tls is to do STARTTLS, which is normally done in port 143, 
not in port 993, which is where /ssl is set by default.

-- 
Eduardo



As a first time Alpine user, I do not know where any of those strings go? Can 
you help me out?

>> > ?============================================================
>> > ?THANKS IN ADVANCE!
>> > 
>> > ?CHRIS
>> > 
>> > ?CHRIS@CWM030.COM
>> > 
>> > ?* Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram*
>> > 
>> > ~ ~ ?* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 14:17:13 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 14:17:17 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <9058def8-4f75-4803-beda-1fa344cc1852@telefonica.net>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<34880573-766b-777c-8889-57e430840d4c@CWM030.COM>
	<9058def8-4f75-4803-beda-1fa344cc1852@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <202406041617.13883.CHRIS@cwm030.com>

They surely have a web page specifying what parameters are needed for 
any generic imap mail client. Do you have that link?

I found a possible page at 
<https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/1500000279921-IMAP-POP-and-SMTP>

? ?IMAP ????????imap.fastmail.com ??????Port 993
? ?POP ?pop.fastmail.com ???????Port 995
? ?SMTP ????????smtp.fastmail.com ??????Port 465 (SSL) or 587 (STARTTLS)


What they do not say is what form take the expected login and password. 
There is, however, another link:

<https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/1500000278342-Server-names-and-ports>

where it says:

? ?You will need to get an app password to connect to these servers.
? ?You cannot use your regular Fastmail password.

and the configuration details are:

? ?IMAP

? ?Server ??????imap.fastmail.com
? ?Port ????????993
? ?SSL/TLS Encryption ??Enabled, but not STARTTLS
? ?Username ????Your Fastmail email address, including the domain.
? ?Password ????Your app-specific password. You cannot use your regular 
Fastmail password.

? ?Root folder/IMAP path
? ? ?prefix ????(leave blank)
? ?Folder separator ????/ (forward slash)


With that data, a configuration string for alpine can be concocted

incoming-folders=...
? ?"fastmail" {imap.fastmail.com/tls/user=chris@cwm030.com}INBOX,
? ?...


And give the specific application password when asked. If that fails, 
start alpine with imap debug options, which I don't remember offhand.

-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

????????????????Carlos E. R.
????????????????(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)



Like this Carlos?

https://imgur.com/a/0W7Ie9q

>> > ?============================================================
>> > ?THANKS IN ADVANCE!
>> > 
>> > ?CHRIS
>> > 
>> > ?CHRIS@CWM030.COM
>> > 
>> > ?* Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram*
>> > 
>> > ~ ~ ?* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~




From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 14:21:14 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 14:21:21 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
In-Reply-To: <a9d1f2d-e0f6-18a-2a5e-4aa51fa5fef8@umu.se>
References: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
	<95d1b85065354465a4a92f9632613a5b@GVZP280MB0976.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<467b1ade-18aa-92fa-38ab-39f15aa1ceb@umu.se>
	<28f66f40-c23c-4525-99cc-a3bf27c94cf6@busby.net>
	<16a36cb271c84838aaaf326ca74e000e@GV3P280MB0972.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<a9d1f2d-e0f6-18a-2a5e-4aa51fa5fef8@umu.se>
Message-ID: <63aac3f9-e4c4-4c92-8fd9-32aa00e2c76f@telefonica.net>

On 2024-06-04 21:59, Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info wrote:
> 
> Carlos,
> Preventing Firefox from reading /tmp is a feature in snap, presumably 
> for some security reason that I don't understand. Follow the link in my 
> first mail for some more info.

This?

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux?utm_source=www.mozilla.org&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=firefox-download-thanks#w_install-firefox-deb-package-for-debian-based-distributions

No idea what to read there for explanation.


I have no idea what snap is.

Which is it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap

Computing

     Snap (computer graphics), an aid for positioning an object relative 
to grid lines or another object
     Snap (web framework), a Web framework written in Haskell
     Snap Server, a computer storage device
     SNAP Points (software non-functional assessment process), a 
measurement of non-functional software size
     Snap! (programming language), an educational graphical programming 
language
     ITK-SNAP, a medical imaging software application
     Sentinel Application Platform, a commom software architecture for 
analysis of Earth observation data provided by ESA
     Subnetwork Access Protocol (SNAP), a network link protocol
     Snap (software), a software packaging and deployment system for Linux
     Core dump or snap dump, a snapshot of the status of a running 
program or system at a particular moment


-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 14:27:37 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
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On 2024-06-04 23:08, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> -- Eduardo 


> As a first time Alpine user, I do not know where any of those 
> strings go? Can you help me out?

Please do not answer below the signature mark like that. The text from 
your answer is deleted when I try to answer.


I enter the config menu of Alpine, or edit the config file with a text 
editor.




-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 14:29:10 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 14:29:15 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <202406041617.13883.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<34880573-766b-777c-8889-57e430840d4c@CWM030.COM>
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On 2024-06-04 23:17, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> 
> Like this Carlos?
> 
> https://imgur.com/a/0W7Ie9q

Yes, but using SSL, not TLS, as Eduardo explained.

-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 14:31:39 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 14:31:46 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <eade15c4-1aab-431f-a151-f4e59e69efda@telefonica.net>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<202406041608.54329.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<eade15c4-1aab-431f-a151-f4e59e69efda@telefonica.net>
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So then I need to TOP POST my replies?

So that line goes under

(s) for setup

(c) config

then that line goes under " inbox path"?

============================================================
THANKS IN ADVANCE!
CHRIS

CHRIS@CWM030.COM

* Lenovo ThinkCentre M710q*~~~* 1 TB SSD*~~~*15.5 GiB of ram*

* Q4OS Trinity Edition* ~~





On Tuesday 04 June 2024 04:27:31 pm Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:
> On 2024-06-04 23:08, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> > -- Eduardo
> >
> >
> > As a first time Alpine user, I do not know where any of those
> > strings go? Can you help me out?
>
> Please do not answer below the signature mark like that. The text from
> your answer is deleted when I try to answer.
>
>
> I enter the config menu of Alpine, or edit the config file with a text
> editor.

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 14:35:31 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 14:35:37 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <eade15c4-1aab-431f-a151-f4e59e69efda@telefonica.net>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<202406041608.54329.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<eade15c4-1aab-431f-a151-f4e59e69efda@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <202406041635.31867.CHRIS@cwm030.com>

Like this?

https://imgur.com/a/y1JsLik

Chris



On Tuesday 04 June 2024 04:27:31 pm Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:
> On 2024-06-04 23:08, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> > -- Eduardo
> >
> >
> > As a first time Alpine user, I do not know where any of those
> > strings go? Can you help me out?
>
> Please do not answer below the signature mark like that. The text from
> your answer is deleted when I try to answer.
>
>
> I enter the config menu of Alpine, or edit the config file with a text
> editor.

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 14:38:27 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 14:38:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <eade15c4-1aab-431f-a151-f4e59e69efda@telefonica.net>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<202406041608.54329.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<eade15c4-1aab-431f-a151-f4e59e69efda@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <202406041638.27510.CHRIS@cwm030.com>

We might be getting somewhere:

Now this happens when I open Alpine.. I am starting to get excited! 

https://imgur.com/a/ay24OpA

But it still says there's no email on the server, when there's 3 emails in the 
inbox right now. 

Chris


On Tuesday 04 June 2024 04:27:31 pm Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:
> On 2024-06-04 23:08, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> > -- Eduardo
> >
> >
> > As a first time Alpine user, I do not know where any of those
> > strings go? Can you help me out?
>
> Please do not answer below the signature mark like that. The text from
> your answer is deleted when I try to answer.
>
>
> I enter the config menu of Alpine, or edit the config file with a text
> editor.

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 14:46:55 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 14:47:19 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <d3c634eb-a59f-4037-b370-6464001ec0c7@telefonica.net>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<202406041617.13883.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<d3c634eb-a59f-4037-b370-6464001ec0c7@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <202406041646.55025.CHRIS@cwm030.com>

Okay now I am getting

[ OPENING INBOX ---*] at Alpine launch

but errors out with:

https://imgur.com/a/t8xQxSI

Chris

On Tuesday 04 June 2024 04:29:10 pm Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:
> On 2024-06-04 23:17, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> > Like this Carlos?
> >
> > https://imgur.com/a/0W7Ie9q
>
> Yes, but using SSL, not TLS, as Eduardo explained.

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 14:53:11 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 14:53:15 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <202406041638.27510.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<eade15c4-1aab-431f-a151-f4e59e69efda@telefonica.net>
	<202406041638.27510.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
Message-ID: <202406041653.11747.CHRIS@cwm030.com>

HURRAY! I got alpine working! 

https://imgur.com/a/UkJn9gZ

Now, how do I set up my outgoing, so I can send mail?


Thanks,
Chris
On Tuesday 04 June 2024 04:38:27 pm Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> We might be getting somewhere:
>
> Now this happens when I open Alpine.. I am starting to get excited!
>
> https://imgur.com/a/ay24OpA
>
> But it still says there's no email on the server, when there's 3 emails in
> the inbox right now.
>
> Chris
>
> On Tuesday 04 June 2024 04:27:31 pm Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:
> > On 2024-06-04 23:08, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> > > -- Eduardo
> > >
> > >
> > > As a first time Alpine user, I do not know where any of those
> > > strings go? Can you help me out?
> >
> > Please do not answer below the signature mark like that. The text from
> > your answer is deleted when I try to answer.
> >
> >
> > I enter the config menu of Alpine, or edit the config file with a text
> > editor.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Alpine-info mailing list
> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu
> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 14:53:12 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 14:53:17 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <202406041646.55025.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<202406041617.13883.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<d3c634eb-a59f-4037-b370-6464001ec0c7@telefonica.net>
	<202406041646.55025.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
Message-ID: <1b2bca78-666d-4d58-8c10-a7312d67093e@telefonica.net>

On 2024-06-04 23:46, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> Okay now I am getting
> 
> [ OPENING INBOX ---*] at Alpine launch
> 
> but errors out with:
> 
> https://imgur.com/a/t8xQxSI

Use SSL, not TLS.

-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 14:59:21 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 14:59:29 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Moving messages?
Message-ID: <202406041659.21162.CHRIS@cwm030.com>

Hi,

As you know I am new to Alpine. 

How do you move messages to another folder, after you've read the email? Say 
that first email from Fastmail, in the screenshot below:

https://imgur.com/a/UkJn9gZ

Thanks,
Chris


From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 15:02:00 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Matt Ackeret via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 15:04:04 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Moving messages?
In-Reply-To: <202406041659.21162.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
References: <202406041659.21162.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
Message-ID: <EA84F92C-C52F-49A9-9A89-57BC2B4680C7@apple.com>



> On Jun 4, 2024, at 2:59?PM, Chris M via Alpine-info <alpine-info@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> As you know I am new to Alpine. 
> 
> How do you move messages to another folder, after you've read the email? Say 
> that first email from Fastmail, in the screenshot below:

Save command.. either from the INDEX screen or while viewing a message.

(if you enable aggregate commands, you can save a whole bunch at a time.)

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 15:10:19 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 15:10:25 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Moving messages?
In-Reply-To: <EA84F92C-C52F-49A9-9A89-57BC2B4680C7@apple.com>
References: <202406041659.21162.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<EA84F92C-C52F-49A9-9A89-57BC2B4680C7@apple.com>
Message-ID: <202406041710.19813.CHRIS@cwm030.com>

Sweet that worked! 

I hit S

then Alpine asked " Where did I want to save the email to?"

I typed in " Archives 2024"

I hit Enter

Then it asked " The folder doesn't exist, create it?"

I hit Y

then it said the save was complete, and I went to fastmail.com and looked and 
it made a new folder under the " INBOX". I guess that's okay right?

I clicked on it and yep, the email was in the folder like it should be! 

Chris




On Tuesday 04 June 2024 05:02:00 pm Matt Ackeret via Alpine-info wrote:
> > On Jun 4, 2024, at 2:59?PM, Chris M via Alpine-info
> > <alpine-info@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > As you know I am new to Alpine.
> >
> > How do you move messages to another folder, after you've read the email?
> > Say that first email from Fastmail, in the screenshot below:
>
> Save command.. either from the INDEX screen or while viewing a message.
>
> (if you enable aggregate commands, you can save a whole bunch at a time.)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Alpine-info mailing list
> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu
> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 15:14:05 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 15:14:12 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Moving messages?
In-Reply-To: <EA84F92C-C52F-49A9-9A89-57BC2B4680C7@apple.com>
References: <202406041659.21162.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<EA84F92C-C52F-49A9-9A89-57BC2B4680C7@apple.com>
Message-ID: <202406041714.05092.CHRIS@cwm030.com>

Okay Matt,

I just moved 2 messages, but why do they still show up in the inbox with a "D" 
by them?

Thanks,
Chris



On Tuesday 04 June 2024 05:02:00 pm Matt Ackeret via Alpine-info wrote:
> > On Jun 4, 2024, at 2:59?PM, Chris M via Alpine-info
> > <alpine-info@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > As you know I am new to Alpine.
> >
> > How do you move messages to another folder, after you've read the email?
> > Say that first email from Fastmail, in the screenshot below:
>
> Save command.. either from the INDEX screen or while viewing a message.
>
> (if you enable aggregate commands, you can save a whole bunch at a time.)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Alpine-info mailing list
> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu
> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 15:24:30 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chime Hart via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 15:24:37 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Moving messages?
In-Reply-To: <EA84F92C-C52F-49A9-9A89-57BC2B4680C7@apple.com>
References: <202406041659.21162.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<EA84F92C-C52F-49A9-9A89-57BC2B4680C7@apple.com>
Message-ID: <e3ebc664-129d-1076-f234-dcda5ceaf902@hubert-humphrey.com>

Well Matt-and-All: I agree about "s" for save, but then I must type a control+t 
followed by I think its a "less than" then I arrow through existing folders 
hitting enter. For some unknown reason, if I am saving messages to spam, I must 
select the 2nd instance of "spam learn" after spam training. I know its a 
rather complicated group of keystrokes, which I must do in a quick sequence or 
I may forget which comes next.
Chime

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 15:57:34 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Matt Ackeret via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 15:57:38 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Moving messages?
In-Reply-To: <202406041714.05092.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
References: <202406041659.21162.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<EA84F92C-C52F-49A9-9A89-57BC2B4680C7@apple.com>
	<202406041714.05092.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
Message-ID: <01A1D273-F766-4A09-9A16-63A6F9258F9C@apple.com>



> On Jun 4, 2024, at 3:14?PM, Chris M via Alpine-info <alpine-info@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> 
> Okay Matt,
> 
> I just moved 2 messages, but why do they still show up in the inbox with a "D" 
> by them?

Because there is no such thing as "moving" messages, at least with IMAP. It is "really" saving a copy in the other mailbox, and deleting the original.
So you have to hit X to expunge..  Some mail programs hide this (unfortunately IMO).

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 15:58:45 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 15:58:50 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] WAS: New to Alpine,
	but can't get it to connect. NOW~~ SMTP setup
In-Reply-To: <202406041653.11747.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<202406041638.27510.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<202406041653.11747.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
Message-ID: <202406041758.45923.CHRIS@cwm030.com>

I've been playing around with the SMTP settings, and * I THINK* that I have 
the right idea down on the command to get SMTP working, but Alpine keeps 
trying to connect to port 25, how do you change the port?

This is what I have done so far:

Open Alpine

S key

C key

SMTP Server (for sending) = smtp.fastmail.com/starttls/user=CHRIS@CWM030.COM

Thanks,
Chris

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 15:59:07 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Matt Ackeret via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 15:59:12 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Moving messages?
In-Reply-To: <e3ebc664-129d-1076-f234-dcda5ceaf902@hubert-humphrey.com>
References: <202406041659.21162.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<EA84F92C-C52F-49A9-9A89-57BC2B4680C7@apple.com>
	<e3ebc664-129d-1076-f234-dcda5ceaf902@hubert-humphrey.com>
Message-ID: <B9A88903-9D95-4BC5-93E4-DEC83742C41A@apple.com>



> On Jun 4, 2024, at 3:24?PM, Chime Hart <chime@hubert-humphrey.com> wrote:
> 
> Well Matt-and-All: I agree about "s" for save, but then I must type a control+t followed by I think its a "less than" then I arrow through existing folders hitting enter. For some unknown reason, if I am saving messages to spam, I must select the 2nd instance of "spam learn" after spam training. I know its a rather complicated group of keystrokes, which I must do in a quick sequence or I may forget which comes next.

You can just type part of a name and tab-complete (tab twice will bring you to a list of just the ones that match your partial name typed in).


From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 16:07:24 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 16:07:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
In-Reply-To: <63aac3f9-e4c4-4c92-8fd9-32aa00e2c76f@telefonica.net>
References: <233e51f1-58fc-53ec-36b6-a1cca4277072@umu.se>
	<95d1b85065354465a4a92f9632613a5b@GVZP280MB0976.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<467b1ade-18aa-92fa-38ab-39f15aa1ceb@umu.se>
	<28f66f40-c23c-4525-99cc-a3bf27c94cf6@busby.net>
	<16a36cb271c84838aaaf326ca74e000e@GV3P280MB0972.SWEP280.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<a9d1f2d-e0f6-18a-2a5e-4aa51fa5fef8@umu.se>
	<63aac3f9-e4c4-4c92-8fd9-32aa00e2c76f@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <45db9f2e-52d4-52ef-2f7d-529c075a88b4@aitchison.me.uk>

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:

> I have no idea what snap is.
>
> Which is it?

>    Snap (software), a software packaging and deployment system for Linux

This one.

-- 
Andrew C. Aitchison                      Kendal, UK
                    andrew@aitchison.me.uk
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 16:45:43 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Bret Busby via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 16:46:20 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] WAS: New to Alpine,
 but can't get it to connect. NOW~~ SMTP setup
In-Reply-To: <202406041758.45923.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<202406041638.27510.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<202406041653.11747.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<202406041758.45923.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
Message-ID: <4c0a398a-a553-4103-90a2-77c430d1efd8@busby.net>

On 5/6/24 06:58, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> I've been playing around with the SMTP settings, and * I THINK* that I have
> the right idea down on the command to get SMTP working, but Alpine keeps
> trying to connect to port 25, how do you change the port?
> 
> This is what I have done so far:
> 
> Open Alpine
> 
> S key
> 
> C key
> 
> SMTP Server (for sending) = smtp.fastmail.com/starttls/user=CHRIS@CWM030.COM
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris
> 
This is why, earlier on, I suggested copying and posting (without your 
password), the first five lines displayed, in the listed configuration 
settings.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 16:58:05 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 16:58:09 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Moving messages?
In-Reply-To: <202406041714.05092.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
References: <202406041659.21162.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<EA84F92C-C52F-49A9-9A89-57BC2B4680C7@apple.com>
	<202406041714.05092.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.2406041947120.2603760@users.shellworld.net>

Hi,
You are going to need to undilute them.
say you used the semicolon to  gather them, there should be an undilute 
option  there, either in that choice or under a for apply.
I do it so automatically that I cannot recall smiles.



On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

> Okay Matt,
>
> I just moved 2 messages, but why do they still show up in the inbox with a "D"
> by them?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Tuesday 04 June 2024 05:02:00 pm Matt Ackeret via Alpine-info wrote:
>>> On Jun 4, 2024, at 2:59?PM, Chris M via Alpine-info
>>> <alpine-info@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As you know I am new to Alpine.
>>>
>>> How do you move messages to another folder, after you've read the email?
>>> Say that first email from Fastmail, in the screenshot below:
>>
>> Save command.. either from the INDEX screen or while viewing a message.
>>
>> (if you enable aggregate commands, you can save a whole bunch at a time.)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Alpine-info mailing list
>> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu
>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info
>
> _______________________________________________
> Alpine-info mailing list
> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu
> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info
>
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 17:03:37 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 17:03:43 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] WAS: New to Alpine,
	but can't get it to connect. NOW~~ SMTP setup
In-Reply-To: <4c0a398a-a553-4103-90a2-77c430d1efd8@busby.net>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<202406041758.45923.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<4c0a398a-a553-4103-90a2-77c430d1efd8@busby.net>
Message-ID: <202406041903.37349.CHRIS@cwm030.com>

Oops, I think I got it to work with:

SMTP Server (for sending)         = 
smtp.fastmail.com/ssl/user=CHRIS@CWM030.COM:465

I was able to send an email out, but they bounced back because I don't have my 
domain pointing to Fastmail yet. I plan on doing that tonight. 

Chris





On Tuesday 04 June 2024 06:45:43 pm Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:
> On 5/6/24 06:58, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> > I've been playing around with the SMTP settings, and * I THINK* that I
> > have the right idea down on the command to get SMTP working, but Alpine
> > keeps trying to connect to port 25, how do you change the port?
> >
> > This is what I have done so far:
> >
> > Open Alpine
> >
> > S key
> >
> > C key
> >
> > SMTP Server (for sending) =
> > smtp.fastmail.com/starttls/user=CHRIS@CWM030.COM
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris
>
> This is why, earlier on, I suggested copying and posting (without your
> password), the first five lines displayed, in the listed configuration
> settings.
>
> ..
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> ..............
>
> _______________________________________________
> Alpine-info mailing list
> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu
> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 17:05:19 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 17:05:26 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Filtering
Message-ID: <202406041905.19668.CHRIS@cwm030.com>

I am curious, does Alpine offer filtering rules?

Like if message TO is: Alpine List <alpine-info@u.washington.edu>

MOVE TO: Alpine list folder

Or do I have to manually set those rules up via fastmail.com's website?

I'm so glad that Alpine is working now! It was a pain to get going, but now, 
everything is going smooth so far! 

Thanks,
Chris


From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 17:20:41 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 17:20:46 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Filtering
In-Reply-To: <202406041905.19668.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
References: <202406041905.19668.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
Message-ID: <202406041920.41429.CHRIS@cwm030.com>

Please let me know if I've got anything set wrong:


ALPINE 2.26   CHANGE THIS FILTERING RULE                     Folder: INBOX                      
No Messages +

Nickname          = Alpine List
Comment           = <No Value Set>

==================================== CURRENT FOLDER CONDITIONS BEGIN HERE 
=====================================

Current Folder Type =
            Set    Choose One
            ---  --------------------
            ( )  Any
            ( )  News
            (*)  Email
            ( )  Specific (Enter Incoming Nicknames or use ^T)
                 Folder List = INBOX

=================================== FILTERED MESSAGE CONDITIONS BEGIN HERE 
====================================

To pattern        = alpine-info@u.washington.edu
From pattern      = <No Value Set>
Sender pattern    = <No Value Set>
Cc pattern        = alpine-info@u.washington.edu
News pattern      = <No Value Set>

ALPINE 2.26   CHANGE THIS FILTERING RULE                     Folder: INBOX                      
No Messages +

Subject pattern   = <No Value Set>
Recip pattern     = <No Value Set>
Partic pattern    = <No Value Set>
Add Extra Headers
AllText pattern   = <No Value Set>
BdyText pattern   = <No Value Set>
Age interval      = <No Value Set>
Size interval     = <No Value Set>
Score interval    = <No Value Set>
Keyword pattern   = <No Value Set>
Charset pattern   = <No Value Set>

Message is Important? =
            Set    Choose One
            ---  --------------------
            (*)  Don't care, always matches
            ( )  Yes
            ( )  No

Message is New (Unseen)? =
            Set    Choose One
 ---  --------------------
            (*)  Don't care, always matches
            ( )  Yes
            ( )  No

Message is Recent? =
            Set    Choose One
            ---  --------------------
            (*)  Don't care, always matches
            ( )  Yes
            ( )  No

Message is Deleted? =
            Set    Choose One
            ---  --------------------
            (*)  Don't care, always matches
            ( )  Yes
            ( )  No

Message is Answered? =
            Set    Choose One
 ---  --------------------
            (*)  Don't care, always matches
            ( )  Yes
            ( )  No

Subject contains raw 8-bit? =
            Set    Choose One
            ---  --------------------
            (*)  Don't care, always matches
            ( )  Yes
            ( )  No

Beginning of Month? =
            Set    Choose One
            ---  --------------------
            (*)  Don't care, always matches
            ( )  Yes
            ( )  No

Beginning of Year? =
            Set    Choose One
  ---  --------------------
            (*)  Don't care, always matches
            ( )  Yes
            ( )  No

Subject contains raw 8-bit? =
            Set    Choose One
            ---  --------------------
            (*)  Don't care, always matches
            ( )  Yes
            ( )  No

Beginning of Month? =
            Set    Choose One
            ---  --------------------
            (*)  Don't care, always matches
            ( )  Yes
            ( )  No

Address in address book? =
            Set    Choose One
            ---  --------------------
            (*)  Don't care, always matches
            ( )  Yes, in any address book
            ( )  No, not in any address book
            ( )  Yes, in specific address books
            ( )  No, not in any of specific address books
                 Abook List = <No Value Set>
    Types of addresses to check for in address book =
            Set   Address types
            ---  --------------------
            [X]  From
            [X]  Reply-To
            [ ]  Sender
            [ ]  To

External Categorizer Commands =
    Command              = <No Value Set>
    Exit Status Interval = <No Value Set>
    Character Limit      = <No Value Set: using "-1">

============================================= ACTIONS BEGIN HERE 
==============================================

Filter Action =
            Set    Choose One
            ---  --------------------
            ( )  Just Set Message Status
            ( )  Delete
            (*)  Move (Enter folder name(s) in primary collection, or use ^T)
                 Folder List = Alpine Mail Group

Set Important Status =
            Set    Choose One
            ---  --------------------
            (*)  Don't change it
Set New Status =
            Set    Choose One
            ---  --------------------
            (*)  Don't change it
            ( )  Set this state
            ( )  Clear this state

Set Deleted Status =
            Set    Choose One
            ---  --------------------
            (*)  Don't change it
            ( )  Set this state
            ( )  Clear this state

Set Answered Status =
            Set    Choose One
            ---  --------------------
            (*)  Don't change it

Set These Keywords   = <No Value Set>
Clear These Keywords = <No Value Set>

============================================= OPTIONS BEGIN HERE 
==============================================

Features             =
            Set    Feature Name
            ---  --------------------
            [ ]  use-date-header-for-age
            [ ]  move-only-if-not-deleted
            [ ]  dont-stop-even-if-rule-matches



I also see, that after I launch Alpine, I have to do :

s, r, n for the filters to be activated

then ^c

then i to go to my inbox

This email client is pretty easy! 

I think I am getting the hang of it! 

Chris




From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 17:24:18 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Matt Ackeret via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 17:24:23 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <202406041631.39925.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<202406041608.54329.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
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> On Jun 4, 2024, at 2:31?PM, Chris M via Alpine-info <alpine-info@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> 
> So then I need to TOP POST my replies?

No, DELETE all irrelevant text, and reply BELOW.

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 18:20:11 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 18:20:20 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <202406041631.39925.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
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Message-ID: <b4760d53-fcb5-4ed8-94cf-29ca1113f61d@telefonica.net>

On 2024-06-04 23:31, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> So then I need to TOP POST my replies?
> 
> So that line goes under

Please, answer below the previous reply, not above. And make sure to 
delete the signature of the previous poster (including the line that 
contains two dashes, the signature start line).

In fact, delete everything that is not needed.

You may notice that Alpine automatically deletes the signature when you 
hit reply.

-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 18:38:59 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 18:39:04 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Vanishing Emails!
Message-ID: <52dbad43-0f5b-e458-0b4f-c4542744837c@cwm030.com>

This is my first email being sent from Alpine.

I noticed that 2 emails from Reddit.com just disapeared into nowhere! I 
mean, the emails don't matter, It's not a big deal that I lost them.
The emails that were lost, were just a moderator reminder on a post 
that I started, that reddit automatically sends when you post a new topic.

I think its because I sat up rules, and when I would do s, Archives2024, 
enter, it popped up something about moving the email back to the Reddit 
folder.

Yet, when you go to the Archives2024 folder in Alpine, it shows all 7 
emails there, but Fastmail's webmail only shows 5 emails.

I have since deleted those rules out of Alpine.

I do keep webmail open in Vivaldi, shrunk down to the task bar just so I 
get notifications when new emails come in. Is that an issue?

Chris
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 18:46:33 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 18:46:39 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <b4760d53-fcb5-4ed8-94cf-29ca1113f61d@telefonica.net>
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on Wed, 5 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:

> Please, answer below the previous reply, not above. And make sure to delete 
> the signature of the previous poster (including the line that contains two 
> dashes, the signature start line).
>
> In fact, delete everything that is not needed.


Like This? :)

Interesting, I tried copying what I wanted to remove and went to EDIT menu 
inside of Konsole, and there's no cut command. You manually have to put 
your cursor at the end of the word you want to delete and backspace until 
you only have what you want above.

Thanks,
Chris
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 20:49:03 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 20:49:08 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!
Message-ID: <09c38907-ce2f-b665-26eb-ed1373f0766f@cwm030.com>

I just want to say THANK YOU to everyone thats helped me get started with 
Alpine! Thank you for the help and being so patient with this newbie!

Bret
Carlos
Karen L
Matt A
et all.

My final question is:

how do you map the trash folder in Alpine?

Right now when I delete an email, it perm deletes it, instead of moving it 
to Fastmail's trash folder.

Thanks,
Chris
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Tue Jun  4 23:35:32 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info)
Date: Tue Jun  4 23:35:47 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect.
In-Reply-To: <b4760d53-fcb5-4ed8-94cf-29ca1113f61d@telefonica.net>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
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	<b4760d53-fcb5-4ed8-94cf-29ca1113f61d@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <314d262e-a46c-132f-9a20-98e6c2d2eaef@aitchison.me.uk>


On Wed, 5 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:

> You may notice that Alpine automatically deletes the signature 
> when you hit reply.
>
> -- 
> Cheers / Saludos,
>
> 		Carlos E. R.
> 		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)
>
>

Thanks. As you can see, I was not aware of
    Enable Sigdashes
or
    Strip From Sigdashes on Reply"
the two options that enable this feature.

-- 
Andrew C. Aitchison                      Kendal, UK
                    andrew@aitchison.me.uk
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Wed Jun  5 04:23:27 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info)
Date: Wed Jun  5 04:23:41 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Firefox, snap and /tmp
In-Reply-To: <63aac3f9-e4c4-4c92-8fd9-32aa00e2c76f@telefonica.net>
References: <63aac3f9-e4c4-4c92-8fd9-32aa00e2c76f@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <3323ror1-p383-3810-426-1nr8oq41n882@ynzoengr.vans.vg>

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:

> I have no idea what snap is.

Curious. Obviously you've never encountered *ubuntu. It is this one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_(software)?useskin=vector
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Wed Jun  5 04:50:39 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info)
Date: Wed Jun  5 04:50:50 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Filtering
In-Reply-To: <202406041905.19668.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
References: <202406041905.19668.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
Message-ID: <ons2182o-8n1p-3oqp-o8n6-5r6n555r08n@ynzoengr.vans.vg>

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

> I am curious, does Alpine offer filtering rules?
> Like if message TO is: Alpine List <alpine-info@u.washington.edu>

Are you the one which said to be new with alpine ?

Yes alpine offers filters, although I think the kind of filter you mean 
will be more efficiently implemented with procmail (whose syntax has 
however a steep learning curve). Also procmail works best as mail delivery 
agent, which implies you receive and store messages locally on your 
machine (which in turn might require fetchmail in conjunction with an IMAP 
server).

Now two things, a specific one and a general one.

a) if what you want is JUST that messages from/to a specific address
    is saved to a specific folder WHEN you save it (S command), this
    can be achieved very simply associating an Fcc folder to the
    address in your address book

    issue M to go to alpine main menu
    then  A to go to the addressbook
    and record the address with a nickname and Fcc

    You might also need to change simething iun your config .pinerc

    Issue M S C to go into the .pinerc, search for keyword
    Saved Message Name Rule             =

    and set (tick) this option
             (*)  by-fcc-of-from-then-from

b) if you instead want automatic filtering on incoming messages (which
    I think occurs at alpine startup, which for that reason might seem
    slow ... that's why I prefer procmail which runs in background)

    ... then you'd need the actual alpine filtering

    What follows is a general advice about how you could know almost
    everything you wamt about alpine:

    issue M to go to alpine main menu
    then  ? to go to the builtin manual

    ====> filtering is described in section 17

    OR

    issue M S R F
    (Menu/Setup/Rules/Filters)

    to jump directly in the filter config and experiment

    Note most keywords and screens in alpine have as builtin help (? or
    control-G)

    I'd advise each pine newbie to do the following at lest once:

    M ?       to read the builtin manual
    M S C     to access your .pinerc then go through the keywords
              and press ? to access their specific help

    Note down the features which seem to interest you, and experiment.
    You will be surprisded of how many thinds you can do with alpine

-- 
Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Corti 12 - I-20133 Milano (Italy)
For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"All that is google does not glitter
  Nor all who use alpine/procmail are lost"
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Wed Jun  5 06:03:15 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info)
Date: Wed Jun  5 06:03:41 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Filtering
In-Reply-To: <ons2182o-8n1p-3oqp-o8n6-5r6n555r08n@ynzoengr.vans.vg>
References: <202406041905.19668.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<ons2182o-8n1p-3oqp-o8n6-5r6n555r08n@ynzoengr.vans.vg>
Message-ID: <dccbd851-2005-4268-9d17-437c71657931@telefonica.net>

On 2024-06-05 13:50, Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> 
>> I am curious, does Alpine offer filtering rules?
>> Like if message TO is: Alpine List <alpine-info@u.washington.edu>
> 
> Are you the one which said to be new with alpine ?
> 
> Yes alpine offers filters, although I think the kind of filter you mean 
> will be more efficiently implemented with procmail (whose syntax has 
> however a steep learning curve). Also procmail works best as mail 
> delivery agent, which implies you receive and store messages locally on 
> your machine (which in turn might require fetchmail in conjunction with 
> an IMAP server).

Problem is that filtering is made to local folders, not inside the imap 
server folders, so that other machines you may have or other mail 
clients will not see the filtered messages.

I found recently another curious solution, not trivial.

imapfilter

cer@Isengard:~> rpm  -qi imapfilter
...
URL         : https://github.com/lefcha/imapfilter
Summary     : A mail filtering utility
Description :
IMAPFilter is a mail filtering utility. It connects to remote mail
servers using the Internet Message Access Protocol (IMAP), sends
searching queries to the server and processes mailboxes based on the
results. It can be used to delete, copy, move, flag, etc. messages
residing in mailboxes at the same or different mail servers. The 4rev1
and 4 versions of the IMAP protocol are supported.

IMAPFilter uses the Lua programming language as a configuration and
extension language.
Distribution: SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 SP5




You need a ".imapfilter/config.lua" file defining what to do, and a 
cronjob to call it periodically.

Example.config.lua

gmail = IMAP { 
 

     server = 'imap.gmail.com', 
 

     username = 'username@gmail.com', 
 

     password = 'password', 
 

     ssl = 'tls1' 
 

} 
 


notspam_gl = gmail['[Gmail]/Spam']:contain_from('somename@somedomain') + 
 

              gmail['[Gmail]/Spam']:contain_from('name2@somedomain') + 
 

              gmail['[Gmail]/Spam']:contain_from('name@somedomain2') 
 

notspam_gl:move_messages(gmail['Inbox']) 
 


-- Comments. first I define the "gmail" account, then I do things on
-- that account, using name for the actions "notspam_gl". First find
-- the messages, then move them.

The call:

~> imapfilter -l /path/logfile -d /path/debugfile  2>&1 >> /path/logfile 




What the example does: moves some mail that gmail thinks is spam back to 
the inbox folder (inside gmail server).

Documentation:

-- https://github.com/lefcha/imapfilter 
 

-- https://github.com/lefcha/imapfilter/blob/master/samples/config.lua 
 


-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Wed Jun  5 07:33:45 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Wed Jun  5 07:33:50 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Filtering
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On Wed, 5 Jun 2024, Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info wrote:

> Are you the one which said to be new with alpine ?


Yes, that was me!

And I see by your signature that you are in Italia!

CIAO ITALIA :)

Chris
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Wed Jun  5 10:24:49 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Bret Busby via Alpine-info)
Date: Wed Jun  5 10:25:28 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Deleting text while composing a message - was- Re:
 New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect
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On 5/6/24 09:46, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> 
> 
> on Wed, 5 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:
> 
>> Please, answer below the previous reply, not above. And make sure to 
>> delete the signature of the previous poster (including the line that 
>> contains two dashes, the signature start line).
>>
>> In fact, delete everything that is not needed.
> 
> 
> Like This? :)
> 
> Interesting, I tried copying what I wanted to remove and went to EDIT 
> menu inside of Konsole, and there's no cut command. You manually have to 
> put your cursor at the end of the word you want to delete and backspace 
> until you only have what you want above.
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris

To delete a line, use
<CTRL><k>
with the cursor anywhere on the line.

To undelete everything that you have deleted, since you started pressing
<CTRL><k>
in the current series of keystrokes, use
<CTRL><u>
to undelete.

That sequence can also be used to cut and paste a block of text, within 
a message being composed.

-- 
..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Wed Jun  5 10:37:20 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Bret Busby via Alpine-info)
Date: Wed Jun  5 10:37:58 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!
In-Reply-To: <09c38907-ce2f-b665-26eb-ed1373f0766f@cwm030.com>
References: <09c38907-ce2f-b665-26eb-ed1373f0766f@cwm030.com>
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n 5/6/24 11:49, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> I just want to say THANK YOU to everyone thats helped me get started 
> with Alpine! Thank you for the help and being so patient with this newbie!
> 
> Bret
> Carlos
> Karen L
> Matt A
> et all.
> 
> My final question is:
> 
> how do you map the trash folder in Alpine?
> 
> Right now when I delete an email, it perm deletes it, instead of moving 
> it to Fastmail's trash folder.
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris


What you need to differentiate, are operations within your fastmail mail 
storage, and, operations applicable to your local folders.

To perform an operation at an email hosting facility, I believe that you 
need to use a webmail facility, for example, if fastmail uses horde or 
squirrel or something (although, I primarily use Tbird as a webmail 
application, which lets me work between email hosting folders, and, 
Tbird local folders. So, I use Tbird to filter out some junkmail, saving 
it to a junk folder, at my email hosting, so avoiding downloading it, 
when I use alpine to download my email to my local computer.

The thing with such filtering, if you want to use your email provider's 
junk storage, is that you need to use (run) whatever webmail application 
- whether it is one on your local computer, or, one provided by your 
email provider, each time that you want the filtering performed, as the 
filters are stored in the particular application.

If you want alpine to filter junk into a junk folder, then, you create 
the junk folder, on your local computer, using alpine, when you create 
the filter, and, save the messages to that, using alpine.

I have somewhere around 10-20 junk folders, that I run multiple filters 
to filter into those folders, and, IO run multiple filters to extract 
some messages from the junk folders.


..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Wed Jun  5 10:44:35 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Bret Busby via Alpine-info)
Date: Wed Jun  5 10:45:11 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Vanishing Emails!
In-Reply-To: <52dbad43-0f5b-e458-0b4f-c4542744837c@cwm030.com>
References: <52dbad43-0f5b-e458-0b4f-c4542744837c@cwm030.com>
Message-ID: <bd9f583a-f27e-4808-98ec-38ec7aabebad@busby.net>

On 5/6/24 09:38, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> This is my first email being sent from Alpine.
> 
> I noticed that 2 emails from Reddit.com just disapeared into nowhere! I 
> mean, the emails don't matter, It's not a big deal that I lost them.
> The emails that were lost, were just a moderator reminder on a post that 
> I started, that reddit automatically sends when you post a new topic.
> 
> I think its because I sat up rules, and when I would do s, Archives2024, 
> enter, it popped up something about moving the email back to the Reddit 
> folder.
> 
> Yet, when you go to the Archives2024 folder in Alpine, it shows all 7 
> emails there, but Fastmail's webmail only shows 5 emails.
> 
> I have since deleted those rules out of Alpine.
> 

Rules and filters are different.

Rules define things like the format for archived folder names, how often 
to check for new messages, character sets, how long before timing out 
connections, etc.

Filters use defined parameters to select where messages are to be stored.

Messages do not necessarily "just disapeared into nowhere!" - they are 
just hiding from you - unless you have a filter set to delete messages, 
rather than moving them. If you do not have filters that delete 
messages, then, you need to go looking for the missing messages, like 
looking for chook nests, to find the eggs, when the chooks run free.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Wed Jun  5 12:26:39 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Clark I Anderson via Alpine-info)
Date: Wed Jun  5 12:26:43 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Please remove me from your distribution list
Message-ID: <1378905234.26165239.1717615599447.JavaMail.zimbra@indra.com>

My EMail provider (for more than 2 decades) has suddenly dropped the facility that has supported "Tectia - SSH Terminal".
Please remove me <anderci@indra.com> from your distribution list
-- 
Clark Anderson
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Wed Jun  5 14:11:08 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Wed Jun  5 14:11:14 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Vanishing Emails!
In-Reply-To: <bd9f583a-f27e-4808-98ec-38ec7aabebad@busby.net>
References: <52dbad43-0f5b-e458-0b4f-c4542744837c@cwm030.com>
	<bd9f583a-f27e-4808-98ec-38ec7aabebad@busby.net>
Message-ID: <1a995230-14c1-3c0e-dde4-7e62676696c3@cwm030.com>



On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:

> Messages do not necessarily "just disapeared into nowhere!" - they are just 
> hiding from you - unless you have a filter set to delete messages, rather 
> than moving them. If you do not have filters that delete messages, then, you 
> need to go looking for the missing messages, like looking for chook nests, to 
> find the eggs, when the chooks run free.
>


It was weird because Alpine was showing 7 emails and Fastmail webmail was 
only showing 5. I must of accidently "s" back to the inbox or something 
and it caused a double copy of the email. I do keep my web browser open 
and I check the Fastmail website after I "s" archives2024 just to make 
sure that the email really got copied to that folder. I am just nervous 
using IMAP, like I said in that private email to you yesterday, I've used 
POP3 all of these years and this is the first time I've used IMAP in a 
longggg time.

I've always used POP because I keep EVERYTHING, I hardly ever delete an 
email. I've had to have Alpine  make me a trash bin called "trashed" 
because when you hit "d" in Alpine, it doesn't move the email to the 
fastmail trash can, it just perm deletes them.

Then I told fastmail's website to empty that "trashed" folder every 60 
days.

I tried to set my account up as POP3, but I couldn't figure out how to get 
ALPINE to connect, it just kept saying " UNEXPECTED ERROR POP SERVER SAID 
+SERVER READY" or something to that effect.

Chris
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Wed Jun  5 14:24:19 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Wed Jun  5 14:24:24 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!
In-Reply-To: <946fe748-a953-4838-b5d1-6fd3cc31ef10@busby.net>
References: <09c38907-ce2f-b665-26eb-ed1373f0766f@cwm030.com>
	<946fe748-a953-4838-b5d1-6fd3cc31ef10@busby.net>
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:

> To perform an operation at an email hosting facility, I believe that you need 
> to use a webmail facility, for example, if fastmail uses horde or squirrel or 
> something (although, I primarily use Tbird as a webmail application, which 
> lets me work between email hosting folders, and, Tbird local folders. So, I 
> use Tbird to filter out some junkmail, saving it to a junk folder, at my 
> email hosting, so avoiding downloading it, when I use alpine to download my 
> email to my local computer.
>
> The thing with such filtering, if you want to use your email provider's junk 
> storage, is that you need to use (run) whatever webmail application - whether 
> it is one on your local computer, or, one provided by your email provider, 
> each time that you want the filtering performed, as the filters are stored in 
> the particular application.
>
> If you want alpine to filter junk into a junk folder, then, you create the 
> junk folder, on your local computer, using alpine, when you create the 
> filter, and, save the messages to that, using alpine.
>
> I have somewhere around 10-20 junk folders, that I run multiple filters to 
> filter into those folders, and, IO run multiple filters to extract some 
> messages from the junk folders.
>
>


Thats prob what I need to do is set my email up like yours since I can't 
get ALPINE to work with POP3. Set up Thunderbird or the like with a 
Fastmail IMAP password and then have TB pull the emails off of the server 
to TB local folders.

Or use something like EVOLUTION where I can right click on a folder and 
set a retention rule:

If emails in "archive2024" are older than 90 days... Then copy to LOCAL 
FOLDERS"

If "sent-mail" emails are older than 90 days....Then copy to LOCAL 
FOLDERS"

Chris
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Wed Jun  5 14:34:28 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info)
Date: Wed Jun  5 14:34:38 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Deleting text while composing a message - was-
 Re: New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect
In-Reply-To: <4493c4f1-e519-42b9-a96d-4be378b28788@busby.net>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<202406041608.54329.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<eade15c4-1aab-431f-a151-f4e59e69efda@telefonica.net>
	<202406041631.39925.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<b4760d53-fcb5-4ed8-94cf-29ca1113f61d@telefonica.net>
	<e79fd9ce-4405-3647-75cd-d851310c4c44@cwm030.com>
	<4493c4f1-e519-42b9-a96d-4be378b28788@busby.net>
Message-ID: <bb5fa36e-5205-9b30-5312-b3a1ccb41a90@aitchison.me.uk>

On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:

> On 5/6/24 09:46, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> on Wed, 5 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:
>> 
>>> Please, answer below the previous reply, not above. And make sure to 
>>> delete the signature of the previous poster (including the line that 
>>> contains two dashes, the signature start line).
>>> 
>>> In fact, delete everything that is not needed.
>> 
>> 
>> Like This? :)
>> 
>> Interesting, I tried copying what I wanted to remove and went to EDIT menu 
>> inside of Konsole, and there's no cut command. You manually have to put 
>> your cursor at the end of the word you want to delete and backspace until 
>> you only have what you want above.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>
> To delete a line, use
> <CTRL><k>
> with the cursor anywhere on the line.

... but note (in Setup / Config [ Composer Preferences ] ):
               FEATURE: Ctrl-K Cuts From Cursor
     This feature controls the behavior of the Ctrl-K command in the
     composer. If set, ^K will cut from the current cursor position
     to the end of the line, rather than cutting the entire line.


> To undelete everything that you have deleted, since you started pressing
> <CTRL><k>
> in the current series of keystrokes, use
> <CTRL><u>
> to undelete.
>
> That sequence can also be used to cut and paste a block of text, within a 
> message being composed.

-- 
Andrew C. Aitchison                      Kendal, UK
                    andrew@aitchison.me.uk
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Wed Jun  5 15:10:18 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Bret Busby via Alpine-info)
Date: Wed Jun  5 15:10:55 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Vanishing Emails!
In-Reply-To: <1a995230-14c1-3c0e-dde4-7e62676696c3@cwm030.com>
References: <52dbad43-0f5b-e458-0b4f-c4542744837c@cwm030.com>
	<bd9f583a-f27e-4808-98ec-38ec7aabebad@busby.net>
	<1a995230-14c1-3c0e-dde4-7e62676696c3@cwm030.com>
Message-ID: <6f29f60f-6a3d-4696-bdd7-34df8f3e8182@busby.net>

On 6/6/24 05:11, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:
> 
>> Messages do not necessarily "just disapeared into nowhere!" - they are 
>> just hiding from you - unless you have a filter set to delete 
>> messages, rather than moving them. If you do not have filters that 
>> delete messages, then, you need to go looking for the missing 
>> messages, like looking for chook nests, to find the eggs, when the 
>> chooks run free.
>>
> 
> 
> It was weird because Alpine was showing 7 emails and Fastmail webmail 
> was only showing 5. I must of accidently "s" back to the inbox or 
> something and it caused a double copy of the email. I do keep my web 
> browser open and I check the Fastmail website after I "s" archives2024 
> just to make sure that the email really got copied to that folder. I am 
> just nervous using IMAP, like I said in that private email to you 
> yesterday, I've used POP3 all of these years and this is the first time 
> I've used IMAP in a longggg time.
> 
> I've always used POP because I keep EVERYTHING, I hardly ever delete an 
> email. I've had to have Alpine? make me a trash bin called "trashed" 
> because when you hit "d" in Alpine, it doesn't move the email to the 
> fastmail trash can, it just perm deletes them.
> 
> Then I told fastmail's website to empty that "trashed" folder every 60 
> days.
> 
> I tried to set my account up as POP3, but I couldn't figure out how to 
> get ALPINE to connect, it just kept saying " UNEXPECTED ERROR POP SERVER 
> SAID +SERVER READY" or something to that effect.
> 
> Chris

One of the possibilities, is that you may have a circular set of filters.

I encountered this, some time ago, where a message would be directed 
into one folder, by a filter, then, directed back to the originating 
folder, by another filter.

Because, when a folder is opened, the filters that operate on that 
folder, operate, before the user sees the messages in the folder, I was 
getting messages that were downloaded, filtered into one folder, then, 
when I opened that folder, they were filtered into another folder, and, 
then, when I opened the second folder, they were filtered out of that 
folder, back to the folder, from which they had been filtered into that 
folder.

Circular filtering.

So, I was getting messages coming in, that I never saw (until I realised 
the problem, and, fixed it (I though that I had fixed all of the 
instantiations, but, I might not have, because I still get some messages 
disappear, when they are downloaded) ). That is one of the reasons that 
I use Tbird as a webmail application, and, if I see a message that I 
think is so important that I want to be absolutely sure of not losing 
it, I forward it to myself, so that a copy goes into the Sent messages 
folder, which does not get filtered.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Wed Jun  5 15:22:32 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Bret Busby via Alpine-info)
Date: Wed Jun  5 15:23:10 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Deleting text while composing a message - was-
 Re: New to Alpine, but can't get it to connect
In-Reply-To: <bb5fa36e-5205-9b30-5312-b3a1ccb41a90@aitchison.me.uk>
References: <98838a72-652c-6c1e-3e4b-75753c212d65@CWM030.COM>
	<202406041608.54329.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<eade15c4-1aab-431f-a151-f4e59e69efda@telefonica.net>
	<202406041631.39925.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<b4760d53-fcb5-4ed8-94cf-29ca1113f61d@telefonica.net>
	<e79fd9ce-4405-3647-75cd-d851310c4c44@cwm030.com>
	<4493c4f1-e519-42b9-a96d-4be378b28788@busby.net>
	<bb5fa36e-5205-9b30-5312-b3a1ccb41a90@aitchison.me.uk>
Message-ID: <b67b3bce-a081-481c-8c5f-bb9a9f69d4f8@busby.net>

On 6/6/24 05:34, Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:
> 
>> On 5/6/24 09:46, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> on Wed, 5 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please, answer below the previous reply, not above. And make sure to 
>>>> delete the signature of the previous poster (including the line that 
>>>> contains two dashes, the signature start line).
>>>>
>>>> In fact, delete everything that is not needed.
>>>
>>>
>>> Like This? :)
>>>
>>> Interesting, I tried copying what I wanted to remove and went to EDIT 
>>> menu inside of Konsole, and there's no cut command. You manually have 
>>> to put your cursor at the end of the word you want to delete and 
>>> backspace until you only have what you want above.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris
>>
>> To delete a line, use
>> <CTRL><k>
>> with the cursor anywhere on the line.
> 
> ... but note (in Setup / Config [ Composer Preferences ] ):
>  ????????????? FEATURE: Ctrl-K Cuts From Cursor
>  ??? This feature controls the behavior of the Ctrl-K command in the
>  ??? composer. If set, ^K will cut from the current cursor position
>  ??? to the end of the line, rather than cutting the entire line.
> 

Then, if that is the default, it is possible that I have always (without 
thinking about it) had the cursor at the start of the line, when I have 
used <CTRL><k> .

I do not know.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Wed Jun  5 23:45:18 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Olaf Skibbe via Alpine-info)
Date: Wed Jun  5 23:45:25 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Attach mails
Message-ID: <8e2c705c-4c7e-5d79-dfed-8664f802f603@kravcenko.com>

Hi all,

I have a question regarding the possibilities to attach mails to a
newly composed mail.

Assume the following situation: I have several mails stored locally in
different folders. I want to compose a mail with some of these mails
attached to it. Preferably, I want them to be attached in their
original form, not cited inline.

The way I do this now, is:

- Store all these mails to one (temporary) folder
- change to the new folder and select the mails I want to attach
   (i.e. "select all")
- press A - F to forward these mails with a new mail (where the
   selected mails are attached as mail digest).

Disadvantages of this process are:

- When saving the mails to the new temporary folder, they are marked
   as deleted at their original place. One has to take care of this.
- Once I started composing the mail and decide to attach one more
   mail, I have to start all over.

This rises the question: Is there a way to do this in a more
convenient way? What I am looking for is something like:

- Start composing a mail
- moving the cursor to the "Attachments" line
- having an option to select mails to be attached, like ^T for files.

I have no idea if this is possible (or can be made possible), but I
would consider this a very nice and convenient feature.

Any ideas?
Olaf

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 01:20:47 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 01:20:53 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Attach mails
In-Reply-To: <8e2c705c-4c7e-5d79-dfed-8664f802f603@kravcenko.com>
References: <8e2c705c-4c7e-5d79-dfed-8664f802f603@kravcenko.com>
Message-ID: <c10e1db8-9ab8-4468-b76f-9db4192657b9@telefonica.net>

On 2024-06-06 08:45, Olaf Skibbe via Alpine-info wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a question regarding the possibilities to attach mails to a
> newly composed mail.
> 
> Assume the following situation: I have several mails stored locally in
> different folders. I want to compose a mail with some of these mails
> attached to it. Preferably, I want them to be attached in their
> original form, not cited inline.
> 
> The way I do this now, is:
> 
> - Store all these mails to one (temporary) folder
> - change to the new folder and select the mails I want to attach
>  ? (i.e. "select all")
> - press A - F to forward these mails with a new mail (where the
>  ? selected mails are attached as mail digest).
> 
> Disadvantages of this process are:
> 
> - When saving the mails to the new temporary folder, they are marked
>  ? as deleted at their original place. One has to take care of this.

When saving, you can mark "do not delete".

> - Once I started composing the mail and decide to attach one more
>  ? mail, I have to start all over.
> 
> This rises the question: Is there a way to do this in a more
> convenient way? What I am looking for is something like:

Maybe you can export each mail to a file, and then attach those files. I 
have not tried this. It is certainly doable, but I do not know how 
readable they are at the receiving end.


-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 01:29:22 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 01:33:34 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Please remove me from your distribution list
In-Reply-To: <1378905234.26165239.1717615599447.JavaMail.zimbra@indra.com>
References: <1378905234.26165239.1717615599447.JavaMail.zimbra@indra.com>
Message-ID: <1627189a-15d8-48e5-b946-a099b9e7a9d9@telefonica.net>

On 2024-06-05 21:26, Clark I Anderson via Alpine-info wrote:
> My EMail provider (for more than 2 decades) has suddenly dropped the facility that has supported "Tectia - SSH Terminal".
> Please remove me <anderci@indra.com> from your distribution list

You have to do that yourself.

Instructions in every email:

List-Unsubscribe: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/options/alpine-info>,
	<mailto:alpine-info-request@mailman12.u.washington.edu?subject=unsubscribe>


-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 04:24:19 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 04:24:25 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!
In-Reply-To: <ba10a933-3ab5-4d52-2b64-e727e8a66fe5@cwm030.com>
References: <09c38907-ce2f-b665-26eb-ed1373f0766f@cwm030.com>
	<946fe748-a953-4838-b5d1-6fd3cc31ef10@busby.net>
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El 2024-06-05 a las 16:24 -0500, Chris M via Alpine-info escribi?:
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Bret Busby via Alpine-info wrote:

In Alpine "delete" is really delete. I am not aware of a functionality to 
move instead to the trash folder, but it mighth exist under another name.




> Thats prob what I need to do is set my email up like yours since I can't get 
> ALPINE to work with POP3.

Don't.

Seriously, do not use pop3.


However, when I used pop in a distant past, I got email using fetchmail, 
and possibly a cron job.


> If "sent-mail" emails are older than 90 days....Then copy to LOCAL FOLDERS"

I do that manually, start of month.

Alternatively, I can do that with imapfilter that I mentioned the other 
day.

- -- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E. R.
        (from openSUSE 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 09:45:17 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 09:45:28 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Filtering
In-Reply-To: <202406041920.41429.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
References: <202406041905.19668.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<202406041920.41429.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
Message-ID: <a3c03357-8f5d-ca11-9559-6d8c27981272@yandex.com>

On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

> Please let me know if I've got anything set wrong:
> Current Folder Type =
>            Set    Choose One
>            ---  --------------------
>            ( )  Any
>            ( )  News
>            (*)  Email
>            ( )  Specific (Enter Incoming Nicknames or use ^T)
>                 Folder List = INBOX

I would suggest you set this to

             Set    Choose One
             ---  --------------------
             ( )  Any
             ( )  News
             ( )  Email
             (*)  Specific (Enter Incoming Nicknames or use ^T)
                  Folder List = INBOX

instead. The (*) Email setting you have is too generic.

> To pattern        = alpine-info@u.washington.edu
> From pattern      = <No Value Set>
> Sender pattern    = <No Value Set>
> Cc pattern        = alpine-info@u.washington.edu
> News pattern      = <No Value Set>

This is probably not what you want. This says that if the message was sent 
To and Cc'ed to the alpine-info@u.washington.edu address, then the mail 
will be filtered. I assume that you meant to say that if the message was 
either sent To OR Cc'ed to the list, so this would be done by setting

To pattern        = <No Value Set>
>From pattern      = <No Value Set>
Sender pattern    = <No Value Set>
Cc pattern        = <No Value Set>
News pattern      = <No Value Set>
Recip pattern     = alpine-info@u.washington.edu

> I also see, that after I launch Alpine, I have to do :
>
> s, r, n for the filters to be activated
>
> then ^c

I do not understand this. Filters are activated automatically, you do not 
need to activate them.

-- 
Eduardo
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 10:46:23 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Steve Litt via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 10:46:27 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Filtering
In-Reply-To: <ons2182o-8n1p-3oqp-o8n6-5r6n555r08n@ynzoengr.vans.vg>
References: <202406041905.19668.CHRIS@cwm030.com>
	<ons2182o-8n1p-3oqp-o8n6-5r6n555r08n@ynzoengr.vans.vg>
Message-ID: <20240606134623.001d21ea@mydesk.domain.cxm>

Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info said on Wed, 5 Jun 2024 13:50:39 +0200
(CEST)

>On Tue, 4 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
>
>> I am curious, does Alpine offer filtering rules?
>> Like if message TO is: Alpine List <alpine-info@u.washington.edu>  
>
>Are you the one which said to be new with alpine ?
>
>Yes alpine offers filters, although I think the kind of filter you
>mean will be more efficiently implemented with procmail (whose syntax
>has however a steep learning curve). Also procmail works best as mail
>delivery agent, which implies you receive and store messages locally
>on your machine (which in turn might require fetchmail in conjunction
>with an IMAP server).

I agree. The setup described above is how I do it also:

ISPimap=>fetchmail=>procmail=>local dovecot folder

And then to read it, I just use my email client to read my local Dovecot
IMAP server. Advantages:

1) I'm not reliant on any one email client

2) My filtering rules are independent of the email client

3) Local Dovecot server is rock solid and very fast


SteveT

Steve Litt 

Autumn 2023 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 10:52:23 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Steve Litt via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 10:52:29 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!
In-Reply-To: <dabbec22-8d8f-086d-0f95-323ca921ada0@telefonica.net>
References: <09c38907-ce2f-b665-26eb-ed1373f0766f@cwm030.com>
	<946fe748-a953-4838-b5d1-6fd3cc31ef10@busby.net>
	<ba10a933-3ab5-4d52-2b64-e727e8a66fe5@cwm030.com>
	<dabbec22-8d8f-086d-0f95-323ca921ada0@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <20240606135223.6fbb2252@mydesk.domain.cxm>

Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info said on Thu, 6 Jun 2024 13:24:19 +0200

>Don't.
>
>Seriously, do not use pop3.

Why not?

I don't mean my question as a challenge, and my fetchmail fetches from
IMAP already. I'm just curious what is bad about POP3.

SteveT

Steve Litt 

Autumn 2023 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century
http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 11:04:55 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 11:05:03 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!
In-Reply-To: <20240606135223.6fbb2252@mydesk.domain.cxm>
References: <09c38907-ce2f-b665-26eb-ed1373f0766f@cwm030.com>
	<946fe748-a953-4838-b5d1-6fd3cc31ef10@busby.net>
	<ba10a933-3ab5-4d52-2b64-e727e8a66fe5@cwm030.com>
	<dabbec22-8d8f-086d-0f95-323ca921ada0@telefonica.net>
	<20240606135223.6fbb2252@mydesk.domain.cxm>
Message-ID: <adb45868-287c-42e8-8453-be0a78b0a3a6@telefonica.net>

On 2024-06-06 19:52, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:
> Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info said on Thu, 6 Jun 2024 13:24:19 +0200
> 
>> Don't.
>>
>> Seriously, do not use pop3.
> 
> Why not?
> 
> I don't mean my question as a challenge, and my fetchmail fetches from
> IMAP already. I'm just curious what is bad about POP3.

I do not see any reason to use ancient pop3. Anything can be done using 
imap, which was designed to solve previous caveats.



-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 11:27:51 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 11:27:55 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:

> On 2024-06-06 19:52, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:
>> Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info said on Thu, 6 Jun 2024 13:24:19 +0200
>> 
>>> Don't.
>>> 
>>> Seriously, do not use pop3.
>> 
>> Why not?
>> 
>> I don't mean my question as a challenge, and my fetchmail fetches from
>> IMAP already. I'm just curious what is bad about POP3.
>
> I do not see any reason to use ancient pop3. Anything can be done using imap, 
> which was designed to solve previous caveats.
>


Well, that's kinda hard when you're a " PACKRAT" and keep just about 
EVERYTHING sent to you / and sent by you. I am only using IMAP due to 
being forced to by ALPINE. I couldn't get a POP3 connect to set up and 
work with ALPINE.

I've been a POP user for years. IDK if you know the English saying we 
have here in America, but, " If it aint broke, DON'T fix it!"

POP just works everytime I reset my client back up from a backup. weather 
it be Evolution, or Claws, or KMAIL here in TDE etc.

I like POP for the fact:

It works as soon as you set your client back up

I feel my data is more private with POP3.

I feel like the data is in my possession and is only FOR ME to manipulate 
and not for some email provider to go one day " Eh, I don't think they 
need those emails from 2016 anymore * MASS DELETE*

* SIDE EYES* Yes, I am looking at you YAHOO MAIL. lol. And no, I didn't 
have any event like that happen to me, but i've read about it online where 
people had access to really old mail one day, and then the next day, GONE! 
Emails PRE 1/1/2016 for instance. *GONE* *POOF!* never to be seen again.

I feel more responsibility with POP3 that its * MY JOB * and no one else's 
to remember toback my email up at the end of the day. Yes, I made a zip 
of my emails EVERYDAY at the end of the day with the title "MAIL_BACKUP_00 00 2024___08 
01 PM.zip"

I see with ALPINE it looks like all I do is back up the "pinerc" file and 
".pine-passfile" and restore them to my ~/home folder to get ALPINE back 
up and running again?

Thanks,
Chris
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 11:47:59 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 11:48:11 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

> Well, that's kinda hard when you're a " PACKRAT" and keep just about 
> EVERYTHING sent to you / and sent by you. I am only using IMAP due to 
> being forced to by ALPINE. I couldn't get a POP3 connect to set up and 
> work with ALPINE.

What does this mean? If you mean to have Alpine download messages to your 
computer, Alpine does not do that, because the pop3 protocol does not 
force clients to download messages. You can choose to do that. The 
confusion that people normally have is that they think that pop is a 
download messages protocol, that is, if you read the message it is gone 
from the server. That is not the case, you can read a message from a pop3 
server as many times as you would like until the email program deletes it 
from the server.

If what you are looking for is that Alpine downloads messages to your 
computer you can do that with any protocol: pop3 or imap, but in order to 
do that you need to set up what Alpine calls a "maildrop". Here are two 
sources of information for you:

https://alpineapp.email/alpine/alpine-info/maildrop/

and the internal help, following this link in Alpine: x-alpine-help:h_maildrop.

I hope this helps.

-- 
Eduardo
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 12:06:58 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 12:07:03 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!
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References: <09c38907-ce2f-b665-26eb-ed1373f0766f@cwm030.com>
	<946fe748-a953-4838-b5d1-6fd3cc31ef10@busby.net>
	<ba10a933-3ab5-4d52-2b64-e727e8a66fe5@cwm030.com>
	<dabbec22-8d8f-086d-0f95-323ca921ada0@telefonica.net>
	<20240606135223.6fbb2252@mydesk.domain.cxm>
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Ah, I have to set this MAILDROP up before I can have ALPINE download my 
email to my computer where I can just backup the ".mail" folder with all 
of my emails.

Thanks,
Chris

From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 12:23:11 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 12:23:16 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildrop setup in laymans terms?
Message-ID: <44b47756-39c0-5e75-a98a-408d64aaa82a@cwm030.com>

I am needing some help, I kinda don't understand the instructions

I did M S C

^W

then just copied and pasted {imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com}inbox

Step 3 would be
{imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com}inbox

right?

I am NOT dense, I am pretty computer literate.
But how will ALPINE know where to download and store those emails on my 
computer?

Can someone walk me through how to set it up?

Thanks,
Chris
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 12:58:34 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 12:58:48 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!
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References: <20240606135223.6fbb2252@mydesk.domain.cxm>
Message-ID: <9p9522s-6635-365p-prnq-8q1o3qq2pn4o@ynzoengr.vans.vg>

On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:
> Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info said on Thu, 6 Jun 2024 13:24:19 +0200

>> Seriously, do not use pop3.
> Why not?

There may be reasons to use pop3 in SOME cases.

For instance I have a configuration with three providers done this way 
(the main goal is to remove mail from the provider server as soon as 
sensible copying it locally [which I achieve via fetchmail in crontab] but 
to be able to access occasionally from alpine mail "in transit" (i.e. 
before fetchmail runs) or "leftover" (i.e. spam folders not fetched) on 
the provider server.

So I can access each provider in three ways:

  - inbox from fetchmail
  - inbox from alpine as "incoming folder"
  - rest of imap area (Spam, Thrash) from alpine as a per-provider
    collection

And my access is:

  Provider     Fetchmail     Alpine
-----------------------------------
  Civic net    POP3          POP3
  Gsuite       POP3          IMAP
  Libero       IMAP          IMAP

I use pop3 for ythre civic nety because they support only that.
I use pop3 for Gsuite (gmail) because google does not honour
   fetch-and-remove with imap (even with pop3 it honours it in a
   peculiar way, it fetches-and-moves-to-thrash ... then once per day
   I connect via alpine/imap and do delete-and-expunge

-- 
Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Corti 12 - I-20133 Milano (Italy)
For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"All that is google does not glitter
  Nor all who use alpine/procmail are lost"
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 13:10:34 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 13:11:02 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildrop setup in laymans terms?
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On Thu, Jun 6, 2024, at 2:23 PM, Chris M wrote:
> I am needing some help, I kinda don't understand the instructions
> 
> I did M S C
> 
> ^W
> 
> then just copied and pasted {imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com}inbox
> 
> Step 3 would be
> {imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com}inbox
> 
> right?
> 
> 

I think I understand now after re-reading that page

the command for step 3 would be:

m s c 

scroll down to inbox path

hit a

then ^w

then:

#MOVE {imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com <mailto:%7Bimap.fastmail.com%2Fssl%2Fuser%3Dchris@cwm030.com>}inbox ~/home/chris/maildrop

Right?

Thanks,
Chris
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From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 13:58:14 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildrop setup in laymans terms?
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

> #MOVE?{imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com}inbox ~/home/chris/maildrop
> Right?

Except that "MOVE" is actually "move" in lowercase. Make sure that
~/home/chris/maildrop exists. You probably meant ~/maildrop, for the file 
in /home/chris.

-- 
Eduardo
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 14:04:46 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 14:04:51 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildrop setup in laymans terms?
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
>
>> #MOVE?{imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com}inbox 
>> ~/home/chris/maildrop
>> Right?
>
> Except that "MOVE" is actually "move" in lowercase. Make sure that
> ~/home/chris/maildrop exists. You probably meant ~/maildrop, for the file in 
> /home/chris.
>


Yes, thats what I meant.

And then for the send folder its basically the same:

m s c

scroll down to the smtp server line:

#move {imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com}

But, I am not sure where to find the path to the sent folder....

otherwise I am guessing it would be:

#move {imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com}sent-mail 
~/maildrop/sent-mail

ALPINE created the "sent-mail" folder under Fastmail's inbox.

Thanks,
Chris
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 14:13:56 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 14:14:05 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildrop setup in laymans terms?
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

>> Except that "MOVE" is actually "move" in lowercase. Make sure that
>> ~/home/chris/maildrop exists. You probably meant ~/maildrop, for the file in
>> /home/chris.
>>
>
>
> Yes, thats what I meant.
>
> And then for the send folder its basically the same:
>
> m s c
>
> scroll down to the smtp server line:
>
> #move {imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com}

No, smtp is a protocol to send email. You want to set up a maildrop either 
in inbox-path or any of your incoming folders.

> But, I am not sure where to find the path to the sent folder....
>
> otherwise I am guessing it would be:
>
> #move {imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com}sent-mail
> ~/maildrop/sent-mail
>
> ALPINE created the "sent-mail" folder under Fastmail's inbox.

Do you want to create a maildrop for the sent mail folder because you do 
not want to have sent mail stored in the server? If so, then set up the 
default-fcc option to match the location of your sent-mail folder as a 
full path, for example

Default Fcc (File carbon copy) = /home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail

-- 
Eduardo
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 14:59:18 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 14:59:28 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] One last question before bed / and Thank ya'll!
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	<ba10a933-3ab5-4d52-2b64-e727e8a66fe5@cwm030.com>
	<dabbec22-8d8f-086d-0f95-323ca921ada0@telefonica.net>
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On 2024-06-06 20:27, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-06-06 19:52, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:
>>> Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info said on Thu, 6 Jun 2024 13:24:19 +0200
>>>
>>>> Don't.
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, do not use pop3.
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>>
>>> I don't mean my question as a challenge, and my fetchmail fetches from
>>> IMAP already. I'm just curious what is bad about POP3.
>>
>> I do not see any reason to use ancient pop3. Anything can be done 
>> using imap, which was designed to solve previous caveats.
>>
> 
> 
> Well, that's kinda hard when you're a " PACKRAT" and keep just about 
> EVERYTHING sent to you / and sent by you. I am only using IMAP due to 
> being forced to by ALPINE. I couldn't get a POP3 connect to set up and 
> work with ALPINE.

Well, I used pop3 with Alpine for a decade. We told you:

fetchmail(pop3) + procmail ? alpine

> 
> I've been a POP user for years. IDK if you know the English saying we 
> have here in America, but, " If it aint broke, DON'T fix it!"
> 

According to some devs, pop3 is broken from the start :-p

> POP just works everytime I reset my client back up from a backup. 
> weather it be Evolution, or Claws, or KMAIL here in TDE etc.
> 
> I like POP for the fact:
> 
> It works as soon as you set your client back up
> 
> I feel my data is more private with POP3.

Wow!

> I feel like the data is in my possession and is only FOR ME to 
> manipulate and not for some email provider to go one day " Eh, I don't 
> think they need those emails from 2016 anymore * MASS DELETE*

You can do the same with imap:

fetchmail(imap) + procmail ? alpine

or

alpine + filtering ? local folders.

or

any mail client + filtering ? local folders.

-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 20:37:55 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 20:38:19 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildrop setup in laymans terms?
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I am throwing in the towel.. I can't figure out what this app is wanting. 

I:

m s c

went to inbox path

hit a

name of inbox server: imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com

hit enter

Maildrop folder on "imap.fastmai..." to copy mail from [INBOX] : INBOX ??????

HIT ENTER

Name of server to contain destination folder : 

HIT ENTER

Folder to copy mail to: /home/chris/maildrop/

HIT ENTER

HIT E, AND Y, Q, Y,

Relaunched Alpine

[Can't open /home/chris/maildrop: not a selectable folder]

WHAT THE H*LL?

 OMG this app is frustrating me to no end!  >_<

  It doesn't even tell you what you did wrong? I created the folder first then opened the folder and copied the location to the folder /home/chris/maildrop/ and pasted it into Alpine.

>_<

Chris
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From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 20:55:03 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildrop setup in laymans terms?
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

> [Can't open /home/chris/maildrop: not a selectable folder]

It looks like /home/chris/maildrop is a directory in your file system. As 
such it is not a location that can be used to save messages. However, an 
empty file would work, for example, /home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail. Make 
sure you create an empty file

touch /home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail

before you create the maidrop in Alpine.

-- 
Eduardo
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 21:03:52 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 21:04:16 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildrop setup in laymans terms?
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touch command doesn't work

chris@q4os-desktop:~$ touch /home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail

touch: cannot touch '/home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail': No such file or directory

chris@q4os-desktop:~$ cd /home/chris

chris@q4os-desktop:~$ touch /home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail

touch: cannot touch '/home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail': No such file or directory
chris@q4os-desktop:~$

Chris





On Thu, Jun 6, 2024, at 10:54 PM, Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> 
> > [Can't open /home/chris/maildrop: not a selectable folder]
> 
> It looks like /home/chris/maildrop is a directory in your file system. As 
> such it is not a location that can be used to save messages. However, an 
> empty file would work, for example, /home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail. Make 
> sure you create an empty file
> 
> touch /home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail
> 
> before you create the maidrop in Alpine.
> 
> -- 
> Eduardo
> _______________________________________________
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From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 21:12:12 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildrop setup in laymans terms?
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References: <44b47756-39c0-5e75-a98a-408d64aaa82a@cwm030.com>
	<3cb09ebd-517a-49d0-bc70-5e80f2a4645d@app.fastmail.com>
	<3600a8b3-f274-0084-74bf-38b2ec578891@yandex.com>
	<c2631bee-7600-4880-9565-1acb0750d6e0@app.fastmail.com>
	<317eb303-d5e6-76f2-73e5-57de44df0103@yandex.com>
	<03379679-4897-4ffa-a5af-ec5ca671fdd3@app.fastmail.com>
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

> touch command doesn't work
> 
> chris@q4os-desktop:~$ touch /home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail

preceed that by

mkdir /home/chris/maildrop

-- 
Eduardo
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun  6 21:33:02 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chris M via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun  6 21:33:26 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildrop setup in laymans terms?
In-Reply-To: <99e170f5-8955-aef0-8cd9-31c02ca337b0@yandex.com>
References: <44b47756-39c0-5e75-a98a-408d64aaa82a@cwm030.com>
	<3cb09ebd-517a-49d0-bc70-5e80f2a4645d@app.fastmail.com>
	<3600a8b3-f274-0084-74bf-38b2ec578891@yandex.com>
	<c2631bee-7600-4880-9565-1acb0750d6e0@app.fastmail.com>
	<317eb303-d5e6-76f2-73e5-57de44df0103@yandex.com>
	<03379679-4897-4ffa-a5af-ec5ca671fdd3@app.fastmail.com>
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Message-ID: <f91858aa-7644-466d-8fd3-64dbc2fbe026@app.fastmail.com>

I think we are getting somewhere! 

I made the directory

created a file:

touch /home/chris/maildrop/in

Now on my fastmail webmail I see 3 folders

~
maildrop

in

And I dragged your last email into that in folder and then added the folder to alpine by:

M, L, A ,

Added /home/chris/maildrop/in

and now when I browse to that folder from within ALPINE,  I see your email inside of that folder. 

Now I need to figure out how to set up a rule to automatically move the emails FROM inbox that "in" folder?

Its interesting that the "in" file is just a file its not an actual folder like normal MAILDIR / MH clients that I've used in the past, that has 3 folders called CUR NEW and I forgot the other one. 

Thanks,
Chris
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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Fri Jun  7 04:59:20 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info)
Date: Fri Jun  7 04:59:26 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildrop setup in laymans terms?
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References: <44b47756-39c0-5e75-a98a-408d64aaa82a@cwm030.com>
	<3cb09ebd-517a-49d0-bc70-5e80f2a4645d@app.fastmail.com>
	<3600a8b3-f274-0084-74bf-38b2ec578891@yandex.com>
	<c2631bee-7600-4880-9565-1acb0750d6e0@app.fastmail.com>
	<317eb303-d5e6-76f2-73e5-57de44df0103@yandex.com>
	<03379679-4897-4ffa-a5af-ec5ca671fdd3@app.fastmail.com>
	<99e170f5-8955-aef0-8cd9-31c02ca337b0@yandex.com>
	<f91858aa-7644-466d-8fd3-64dbc2fbe026@app.fastmail.com>
Message-ID: <41f2f019-a9ea-4e55-9254-65fed9bd3982@telefonica.net>

On 2024-06-07 06:33, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

> Its interesting that the "in" file is just a file its not an actual 
> folder like normal MAILDIR / MH clients that I've used in the past, that 
> has 3 folders called CUR NEW and I forgot the other one.

Yes, Alpine uses the mbox format, not maildir. It is possible to use 
Maildir, but as I don't use it, I am not going to explain it.

-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Fri Jun  7 05:06:12 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info)
Date: Fri Jun  7 05:06:19 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildrop setup in laymans terms?
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References: <44b47756-39c0-5e75-a98a-408d64aaa82a@cwm030.com>
	<3cb09ebd-517a-49d0-bc70-5e80f2a4645d@app.fastmail.com>
	<3600a8b3-f274-0084-74bf-38b2ec578891@yandex.com>
	<c2631bee-7600-4880-9565-1acb0750d6e0@app.fastmail.com>
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	<03379679-4897-4ffa-a5af-ec5ca671fdd3@app.fastmail.com>
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On 2024-06-07 06:03, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
> touch command doesn't work
> 
> chris@q4os-desktop:~$ touch /home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail
> 
> touch: cannot touch '/home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail': No such file or 
> directory
> 
> chris@q4os-desktop:~$ cd /home/chris
> 
> chris@q4os-desktop:~$ touch /home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail
> 
> touch: cannot touch '/home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail': No such file or 
> directory
> chris@q4os-desktop:~$

But this is not an Alpine problem. You have problems handling the 
standard Linux command line.

   cd /home/chris/
   ls maildrop

If it says it is a file, you have to delete it and create a directory 
instread:

   rm maildir
   mkdir maildrop


If it says it does not exist, then create the directory:

   mkdir maildrop


then

touch maildrop/sent-mail


Alpine is a traditional Linux style program, it assumes you are familiar 
with the Linux command line. There are even more difficult to use mail 
programs, like "mutt".


-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Fri Jun  7 05:25:22 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info)
Date: Fri Jun  7 05:25:40 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildrop setup in laymans terms?
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References: <44b47756-39c0-5e75-a98a-408d64aaa82a@cwm030.com>
	<3cb09ebd-517a-49d0-bc70-5e80f2a4645d@app.fastmail.com>
	<3600a8b3-f274-0084-74bf-38b2ec578891@yandex.com>
	<c2631bee-7600-4880-9565-1acb0750d6e0@app.fastmail.com>
	<317eb303-d5e6-76f2-73e5-57de44df0103@yandex.com>
	<03379679-4897-4ffa-a5af-ec5ca671fdd3@app.fastmail.com>
	<d343e469-dd84-4ccc-972e-cf661e8eb2f4@telefonica.net>
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On 2024-06-07 14:06, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote:
> On 2024-06-07 06:03, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:
>> touch command doesn't work
>>
>> chris@q4os-desktop:~$ touch /home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail
>>
>> touch: cannot touch '/home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail': No such file or 
>> directory
>>
>> chris@q4os-desktop:~$ cd /home/chris
>>
>> chris@q4os-desktop:~$ touch /home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail
>>
>> touch: cannot touch '/home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail': No such file or 
>> directory
>> chris@q4os-desktop:~$
> 
> But this is not an Alpine problem. You have problems handling the 
> standard Linux command line.
> 
>  ? cd /home/chris/
>  ? ls maildrop
> 
> If it says it is a file, you have to delete it and create a directory 
> instread:
> 
>  ? rm maildir

Sorry,

   rm maildrop

>  ? mkdir maildrop


When you get:

chris@q4os-desktop:~$ touch /home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail

  touch: cannot touch '/home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail': No such file or
  directory

It is because one element of the path does not exist. So you do:

   ls /home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail
   ls /home/chris/maildrop
   ls /home/chris
   ls /home

to find out what does exist and what doesn't. Or rather:

   ls -l /home/chris/maildrop/sent-mail
   ls -l /home/chris/maildrop
   ls -l /home/chris
   ls -l /home




-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.5 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Fri Jun  7 10:20:11 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info)
Date: Fri Jun  7 10:20:23 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildrop setup in laymans terms?
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References: <44b47756-39c0-5e75-a98a-408d64aaa82a@cwm030.com>
	<3cb09ebd-517a-49d0-bc70-5e80f2a4645d@app.fastmail.com>
	<3600a8b3-f274-0084-74bf-38b2ec578891@yandex.com>
	<c2631bee-7600-4880-9565-1acb0750d6e0@app.fastmail.com>
	<317eb303-d5e6-76f2-73e5-57de44df0103@yandex.com>
	<03379679-4897-4ffa-a5af-ec5ca671fdd3@app.fastmail.com>
	<99e170f5-8955-aef0-8cd9-31c02ca337b0@yandex.com>
	<f91858aa-7644-466d-8fd3-64dbc2fbe026@app.fastmail.com>
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, Chris M via Alpine-info wrote:

> Now I need to figure out how to set up a rule to automatically move the 
> emails FROM inbox that "in" folder?

That is what a maildrop does. If you set up your inbox-path in your 
.pinerc to

#move {imap.fastmail.com/ssl/user=chris@cwm030.com}INBOX /home/chris/maildrop/in

then all messages will be moved from your INBon in fastmail to your 
maildrop/in folder as soon as you open your inbox, and you will be able to 
read them immediately without the need to open the maildrop/in folder.

-- 
Eduardo
From alpine-info at u.washington.edu  Thu Jun 13 05:12:36 2024
From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (via Alpine-info)
Date: Thu Jun 13 05:13:49 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Privacy Related Information Leak Mitigation Feature
	Requests
Message-ID: <EBEC28CD-DCAB-46A1-9B66-489381CA2F37.1@smtp-inbound1.duck.com>

Greetings alpine-info mailing list!!

Some time ago when Mr Chappa was adding oauth2 support for Alpine and had been working on a privacy policy for it he made an interesting comment:
> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 14:05:59 -0600 (MDT)
> From: Eduardo Chappa <alpine.chappa@yandex.com>
> To: Andrew C Aitchison <andrew@aitchison.me.uk>
> In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2006020757430.15177@warden.aitchison.me.uk>
> Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.22.439.2006111239040.9525@linux-aknz>
> References: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2006020757430.15177@warden.aitchison.me.uk>
> Cc: alpine-info@u.washington.edu
> Subject: Re: [Alpine-info] Microsoft Outlook "Modern Authentication"
>
> - SNIPPED -
> In addition, Alpine discloses its name and version to IMAP servers that support the ID extension. I put this in a separate category of privacy disclosure. I think this information is valuable for the server maintainers, because it establishes our presence (in other words, it tells the ownser of the server that there are users using Alpine, and so they need to support us.)
> - SNIPPED -

Does Mr Chappa still maintain this position or would he reconsider and maybe make this feature something that you can change or opt out of even disclosing at all as there are practical benefits too.
It can help work around buggy IMAP servers as seen here:
https://support.mozilla.org/si/questions/1275339 - How do I fix "Unrecognized command: ID" | Thunderbird Support Forum | Mozilla Support

Another possible privacy related information leak can be found in the way that Alpine can send your host in the SMTP EHLO or HELO greeting.
Can another option you can use to change it be added to handle this problem?
Or maybe Alpine can send a more generic host such as [192.168.1.1] with an opt out option instead?

These changes would help mitigate the last low hanging fruit privacy leaks in Alpine that I am aware of?:
- IMAP
> Current mitigations:
> 
> ?
> 
> Todo: add Suppress IMAP ID When Connecting option ?

- NNTP
> Current mitigations:
> 
> v2.26 added:
>  *  To protect the privacy of a user, the message-id of a message will be generated using the domain in the From field of the message.
> 
> v2.24 added:
>  *  Modifications to protect the privacy of users:
>      +  Alpine uses the domain in the From: header of a message to generate a message-id and suppresses all information about Alpine, version, revision, and time of generation of the
>         message-id from this header. This information is replaced by a random string.
> 
>   [ News Preferences ]
>       [X]  Hide NNTP Path (NNTP)
> 
>   [ Advanced User Preferences ]
>       [X]  Scramble the Message-ID When Sending (SMTP)
>       [X]  Suppress User Agent When Sending (SMTP)
> 
> Todo: None ?

- POP3
> Current mitigations:
> 
> ?
> 
> Todo: None ?

- SMTP
> Current mitigations:
> 
> v2.26 added:
>  *  To protect the privacy of a user, the message-id of a message will be generated using the domain in the From field of the message.
> 
> v2.24 added:
>  *  Modifications to protect the privacy of users:
>      +  Alpine uses the domain in the From: header of a message to generate a message-id and suppresses all information about Alpine, version, revision, and time of generation of the
>         message-id from this header. This information is replaced by a random string.
> 
>   [ Sending Preferences ]
>       [X]  Do Not Generate Sender Header (SMTP)
> 
>   [ Advanced User Preferences ]
>       [X]  Scramble the Message-ID When Sending (SMTP)
>       [X]  Suppress User Agent When Sending (SMTP)
> 
> Todo: add Change SMTP EHLO or HELO Greeting and or Use Generic SMTP EHLO or HELO Greeting option ?


I became interested in seeing these issues fixed after reading this article which also notes other possible issues:
https://explained-from-first-principles.com/email/#sender-towards-recipients - Email explained from first principles