[Alpine-info] Gmail Access

[Morgan, Andrew J via Alpine-info]

I use Fastmail (fastmail.com) to host my personal email.  It's a paid service, but the cost isn't very high and I don't trust "free" email providers.  Fastmail has a lot of nice features, which I won't bother listing here.  Go check their website if you're curious.

When I ran email for Oregon State University, I migrated from traditional unix mbox mailboxes with the UW-IMAPD server to Cyrus.  Cyrus was created by Carnegie Mellon University, and its mailbox format (one file per message plus index files) had much better performance than the mbox format.  Eventually, a lot of development work on Cyrus was performed by Fastmail (Bron plus other developers), so I knew that Fastmail was running a good product and supported open-source software.

OSU migrated to Google and Exchange, and these days they use Exchange Online, so I'm not involved in running an email service anymore.  We still have people using Alpine to access their university email, too.

Andy


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From: Alpine-info <alpine-info-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> on behalf of Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info <alpine-info at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2024 6:49 PM
To: Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com>
Cc: alpine-info at u.washington.edu <alpine-info at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Alpine-info] Gmail Access

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Steve,
I do not clearly follow  what you claim where   domain ownership is
concerned.
I own my own domain karenlewellen.com
That domain is hosted at a location where mail is managed by that hosting
company.
Because of that company's choices, I now cannot write to frelist.org
mailing lists, have no personal spam filter, and..cannot write to many
yahoo mailing addresses because the company this host uses does not want
to  apparently comply with host identity rules..but its my domain.
So, what am I missing here?
and how do I keep years worth of email at the same time given you claim
this process is a weekend's worth of work?
Again truly curious.
Karen



On Sun, 26 May 2024, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:


> Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info said on Thu, 23 May 2024 15:21:13 +0200

>

>> On 2024-05-23 12:20, Steve Litt via Alpine-info wrote:

>>> Marc Lytle via Alpine-info said on Sat, 18 May 2024 16:59:04 -0700

>>>

>>>> Hello all,

>>>>

>>>> I have set up Alpine with Gmail and I'm able to successfully connect

>>>> to the Gmail account and access/send email. The issue is that this

>>>> just stops working after a couple of days.

>>>

>>> Why gmail? It's notoriously difficult to deal with. Why not just buy

>>> a domain for $15/year and use the mailing address(s) from that

>>> domain?

>>

>> You still need to hire something to host the mail.

>

> Most domain registrars give you a free IMAP for the domain you register

> with them.

>

>>

>> Instead, you could simply contract a mail account somewhere.

>

> This is another great alternative. But not as good, because it depends

> on their staying in business and you retaining them, unless their IMAP

> is based on a domain owned by you.

>

>> You could

>> even contract Gmail for groups for a group of people; consider that

>> the group administration sets the rules, so if the group decides "no

>> oauth2", then it is no oauth2 and simple passwords continue working.

>

> I see no reason to trust Google for anything. They consistently mess

> with people. If I remember correctly, they just up and cancelled all

> their Google Groups (I could be wrong about this). In my opinion,

> having any part of your workflow depend on Google invites

> disappointment. Once upon a time their motto was "don't be evil", but

> those days are long gone.

>

>>

>> And example of a group doing this is the ieee.org

>>

>>

>> All these solutions pose a problem for the individual: he has to

>> change mail address, and tell this to everybody, and resubscribe at

>> every site or or organization, which is no small problem.

>

> You're right. It's a whole day's work, or maybe a whole weekend's work.

> But if the email involves a domain that belongs to you, you'll never

> have to do it again, even if you change web hosts or registrars. The

> best time to have done it was 20 years ago. The second best time to do

> it is today.

>

>> He would still need to keep the old gmail address and check it now and

>> then for posts going there.

>

> I don't/can't check my old gmail address anymore. I just retain it so

> that nobody else gets it and intercepts communication set to me.

>

> SteveT

>

> Steve Litt

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