<div dir="auto"><div><div dir="auto">Karen and all, </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I am also concerned with loosing Google html search page but one for <a href="http://duckduckgo.com">duckduckgo.com</a> exists. I include everyone in my message who could benefit by any changes that increase accessability to all. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div>Most of the people that I am working with that are having the most problem are those using console line interface (CLI) and who often never have a graphical interface (GUI) installed. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Most have changed their email program to mutt but they very much miss the features available in alpine like its address book and ability to access newsgroups. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Some would like to use emacs and gnunews (spelling?). That's beyond my knowledge. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">One of the problems they are having is with Gmail, they've managed to get an application specific password, and can use alpine by using an old version which does not have the master password, but Google has changed the way email is displayed, what used to be the default was the INBOX of their email, but now they have to change folders to one labeled Gmail and inside there they have to select the folder with the new email. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It seems that it would be possible when configuring alpine to have a switch much like the one that creates the ability to use the pinepass file. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The default would continue to be as it is now but the user could decide to use the less secure method of accessing alpine if they wished. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Kind regards, </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">David Ring </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 11:45 AM Karen Lewellen <<a href="mailto:klewellen@shellworld.net">klewellen@shellworld.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Simply offering a personal opinion here.<br>
One concern I have reading both the question and the answer is the <br>
assumption that there is a uniformed applies to everyone sharing a label <br>
like blind people problem.<br>
Typing a complex password is a challenge in general, with finding a <br>
solution that benefits everyone equally helpful.<br>
I am far more concerned that google could uniformly remove display <br>
choices, taking away basic html which helps many populations as well, <br>
including those who may experience sight loss.<br>
Indeed technology can provide options. but speaking personally, many who <br>
lead with generalized terms like blind people have also limited the <br>
options those sharing that label can use.<br>
If you are not, cannot, or choose not to define your technology approaches <br>
from a term I have read from others, a blind elite standpoint, you are <br>
not a good blind person.<br>
the simple ability to cut and copy the password somewhere else, and place <br>
that password in the required field would solve the problem.<br>
Of course many lack the keyboard skills, or the lower graphics environment <br>
that made that possible, or any number of things.<br>
my understanding too is the password simply needs doing once.<br>
choose a master password easy to remember.<br>
Mercy I use the birthday of a person I respect for mine often.<br>
You would be surprised how many people just use a variation on the word <br>
master password.<br>
Still, my point is assuming a generalized problem rooted in a, again <br>
speaking personally, nonexistent uniformed experience serves no one.<br>
Kare<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, 30 Nov 2023, Carlos E. R. wrote:<br>
<br>
> On 2023-11-29 21:15, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:<br>
>> Would you please make this something that a user could opt out of when<br>
>> configuring alpine from the tar ball?<br>
><br>
> I'm not a developer, so sorry, I can't.<br>
><br>
><br>
>> Many blind users love alpine but with the change with the master password<br>
>> it completely overwhelms them.<br>
><br>
> Can't they type a simple word, say "john" or a number, like their own phone <br>
> number (thus easy to remember)? :-?<br>
><br>
> I suppose it doesn't accept an empty string.<br>
><br>
> Sorry, I don't know what is the difficulty for them to type a password. The <br>
> risk of password theft (and identity replacement) is the same for everybody, <br>
> a real risk.<br>
><br>
> The problem is that they mistype letters, perhaps, and don't notice?<br>
><br>
> Then maybe a string like "11111", the first key in the keyboard, repeated a <br>
> number of times. Or "123456" if it doesn't accept it.<br>
><br>
><br>
> The solution would be a different technology. Fingerprint reader, perhaps. <br>
> :-?<br>
><br>
> -- <br>
> Cheers / Saludos,<br>
><br>
> Carlos E. R.<br>
><br>
> (from openSUSE 15.5 (Laicolasse))<br>
><br>
><br>
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