From pratikp1 at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 01:08:09 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) In-Reply-To: <001501c773c7$3ea5ae00$15c4fea9@laptop> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711601E28A97@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><20070328152142.23208.qmail@web610.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com><018a01c77159$84e18a30$8ea49e90$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <001501c773c7$3ea5ae00$15c4fea9@laptop> Message-ID: <082301c77434$e9685a00$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> Ron, E.A., et al, Perhaps we can compile a master checklist from the various documents we may have floating around. I have one that I tend to use. Would you all agree that we are, at this point, seeking functional accessibility rather than adherence to any particular "standard?" It appears to me that standards, at least when it comes to accessibility, are just not keeping up to technological developments. I believe Bob Martinengo is not on this list but we should invite him to join the list and as a member. This discussion is very important for the taskforce or any future projects we take on. It will give us a baseline document with eval guidelines which we might reference. Whatever we look at will have a higher ed flavor to it such that it will be a significant step for our Educause discussions as well. I like the cross-polination possibilities. Take care all, Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:03 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) Bit late in the day but I have been catching up - Pratik and I were discussing open source CMS and e-learning or distance learning issues and the problems of evaluations. I feel it would be wonderful to collaborate on some of this work to make it easier for us all. We have PAS 78 in the UK a "Guide to good practice in commissioning accessible websites" http://www.drc-gb.org/library/website_accessibility_guidance/pas_78.aspx and ISO 9241-171 http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/public_s acstandards.hcsp Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:52 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) This was one of the topics of discussion at the CSUN meeting and we can move forward fairly easily. I have the evaluation checklists that my program developed at OSU and I am more than willing to share, and I bet several of you have similar things. Bob is this something you are willing to take the lead on? Folks who were at the CSUN-ATHEN meeting, how do you see this fitting into our taskforce conversation? Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Greg Kraus Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:22 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) One solution would be to set up a Wiki where ATHEN members, or maybe a select group of testers from within ATHEN could review products for accessibility. You could come up with a template that rates various areas of software accessibility (something like a VPAT?). That way an "accessibility tester" can add comments to a particular area of the review as opposed to doing a full-blown test of the software. Collectively you could build up quite a resource of unbiased reviews of software. Greg Kraus LecShare, Inc. www.lecshare.com --- "Berkowitz, Daniel J" wrote: > ATTENTION ATHEN MEMBERS: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenneth Sawicki [mailto:ksawicki@avc.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:45 AM > To: Alternate Media > Subject: RE: AT initiative > > I wasn't here yesterday, but what Bob is saying hits the mark... I've > been thinking of doing something like that, and perhaps I should quit > thinking about doing something, and do it!!! I'm soooo tired of > reading, or hearing, "this Assistive Technology is totally accessible, > or is Section 508 compliant", and I try to use it, and can't..., And I > don't think it's my inability to use Assistive Technology. > > -Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Stewart > [mailto:ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:58 AM > To: Alternate Media > Subject: RE: AT initiative > > That conversation has come up repeatedly and was part of the > discussion when Section 508 was on the horizon many moons ago. NIST > refused to step up to the plate or was too expensive. We really do > need a form of UL labs for access. Let the buyer beware, but I am > really tired of back of the bus access! > > One of my common policy recommendation to the collleges and > universities that I have worked with in the last decade is that access > be part of their own institutional branding of web spaces. > > This needs to be an internal process because in order for it to work > there has to be ownership. I be!ieve AFB has a certification program, > but it is VI centric, and does not deal effectively with cognitive > precessing related disabiities. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: rmartinengo@gmail.com > To: "Alternate Media" > > Sent: 3/27/07 10:30 AM > Subject: RE: AT initiative > > Ron, > > Sadly, it appears the main selling point for these programs is that > they measure legal and technical compliance, rather than what is truly > accessible and usable - quantatative versus qualitative analysis. > > Wouldn't it be great if there was a 'good housekeeping' stamp of > accessibility that was more than an automated list of check points? > Perhaps > a nonprofit group that would combine the benefits of technical > compliance with real-world usability analysis. Someone should start > this company! > > Bob > > > "And this does nothing to insure the accessibility of their sites, > someone must be laffing all the way to the bank. We have discussed the > use of automated evaluators on every disability list that I am one, > and why the do not insure access. You can not just throw money and > technology at the problem." > > Ron Stewart > --- > You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: > ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-altmedia-7293F@htclistserv.htctufhda.edu > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: > ksawicki@avc.edu > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: > djbrky@bu.edu > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) In-Reply-To: <082301c77434$e9685a00$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711601E28A97@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><20070328152142.23208.qmail@web610.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com><018a01c77159$84e18a30$8ea49e90$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <001501c773c7$3ea5ae00$15c4fea9@laptop> <082301c77434$e9685a00$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> Message-ID: <001901c77443$3a1760f0$15c4fea9@laptop> I absolutely agree with Pratik - we are seeking functional accessibility and I feel as such we will be able to make a very useful toolkit that could help many others in the field. I can see lots of hurdles ahead just at the thought of different AT software packages working in different ways with general applications and web based content that is constantly changing, but Hey ho, that is what it is all about! Best Wishes E.A. -----Original Message----- From: Pratik Patel [mailto:pratikp1@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:08 AM To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) Ron, E.A., et al, Perhaps we can compile a master checklist from the various documents we may have floating around. I have one that I tend to use. Would you all agree that we are, at this point, seeking functional accessibility rather than adherence to any particular "standard?" It appears to me that standards, at least when it comes to accessibility, are just not keeping up to technological developments. I believe Bob Martinengo is not on this list but we should invite him to join the list and as a member. This discussion is very important for the taskforce or any future projects we take on. It will give us a baseline document with eval guidelines which we might reference. Whatever we look at will have a higher ed flavor to it such that it will be a significant step for our Educause discussions as well. I like the cross-polination possibilities. Take care all, Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:03 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) Bit late in the day but I have been catching up - Pratik and I were discussing open source CMS and e-learning or distance learning issues and the problems of evaluations. I feel it would be wonderful to collaborate on some of this work to make it easier for us all. We have PAS 78 in the UK a "Guide to good practice in commissioning accessible websites" http://www.drc-gb.org/library/website_accessibility_guidance/pas_78.aspx and ISO 9241-171 http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/public_s acstandards.hcsp Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:52 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) This was one of the topics of discussion at the CSUN meeting and we can move forward fairly easily. I have the evaluation checklists that my program developed at OSU and I am more than willing to share, and I bet several of you have similar things. Bob is this something you are willing to take the lead on? Folks who were at the CSUN-ATHEN meeting, how do you see this fitting into our taskforce conversation? Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Greg Kraus Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:22 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) One solution would be to set up a Wiki where ATHEN members, or maybe a select group of testers from within ATHEN could review products for accessibility. You could come up with a template that rates various areas of software accessibility (something like a VPAT?). That way an "accessibility tester" can add comments to a particular area of the review as opposed to doing a full-blown test of the software. Collectively you could build up quite a resource of unbiased reviews of software. Greg Kraus LecShare, Inc. www.lecshare.com --- "Berkowitz, Daniel J" wrote: > ATTENTION ATHEN MEMBERS: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenneth Sawicki [mailto:ksawicki@avc.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:45 AM > To: Alternate Media > Subject: RE: AT initiative > > I wasn't here yesterday, but what Bob is saying hits the mark... I've > been thinking of doing something like that, and perhaps I should quit > thinking about doing something, and do it!!! I'm soooo tired of > reading, or hearing, "this Assistive Technology is totally accessible, > or is Section 508 compliant", and I try to use it, and can't..., And I > don't think it's my inability to use Assistive Technology. > > -Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Stewart > [mailto:ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:58 AM > To: Alternate Media > Subject: RE: AT initiative > > That conversation has come up repeatedly and was part of the > discussion when Section 508 was on the horizon many moons ago. NIST > refused to step up to the plate or was too expensive. We really do > need a form of UL labs for access. Let the buyer beware, but I am > really tired of back of the bus access! > > One of my common policy recommendation to the collleges and > universities that I have worked with in the last decade is that access > be part of their own institutional branding of web spaces. > > This needs to be an internal process because in order for it to work > there has to be ownership. I be!ieve AFB has a certification program, > but it is VI centric, and does not deal effectively with cognitive > precessing related disabiities. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: rmartinengo@gmail.com > To: "Alternate Media" > > Sent: 3/27/07 10:30 AM > Subject: RE: AT initiative > > Ron, > > Sadly, it appears the main selling point for these programs is that > they measure legal and technical compliance, rather than what is truly > accessible and usable - quantatative versus qualitative analysis. > > Wouldn't it be great if there was a 'good housekeeping' stamp of > accessibility that was more than an automated list of check points? > Perhaps > a nonprofit group that would combine the benefits of technical > compliance with real-world usability analysis. Someone should start > this company! > > Bob > > > "And this does nothing to insure the accessibility of their sites, > someone must be laffing all the way to the bank. We have discussed the > use of automated evaluators on every disability list that I am one, > and why the do not insure access. You can not just throw money and > technology at the problem." > > Ron Stewart > --- > You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: > ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-altmedia-7293F@htclistserv.htctufhda.edu > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: > ksawicki@avc.edu > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: > djbrky@bu.edu > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/741 - Release Date: 31/03/2007 20:54 From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Sun Apr 1 03:14:03 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) In-Reply-To: <082301c77434$e9685a00$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711601E28A97@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><20070328152142.23208.qmail@web610.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com><018a01c77159$84e18a30$8ea49e90$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <001501c773c7$3ea5ae00$15c4fea9@laptop> <082301c77434$e9685a00$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> Message-ID: <002b01c77446$7ad460e0$707d22a0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Morning, I think we need to look at compliance, functional accessibility, and usability as occurring on a continuum. One of the conversations I often get into with IT folks is the cost benefit ratios of each level of accessibility, and providing clear examples of how conformance falls short. My preference at this point is that it be an ATHEN Taskforce unless we find we need to bring in outside expertise to do the job right, Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:08 AM To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) Ron, E.A., et al, Perhaps we can compile a master checklist from the various documents we may have floating around. I have one that I tend to use. Would you all agree that we are, at this point, seeking functional accessibility rather than adherence to any particular "standard?" It appears to me that standards, at least when it comes to accessibility, are just not keeping up to technological developments. I believe Bob Martinengo is not on this list but we should invite him to join the list and as a member. This discussion is very important for the taskforce or any future projects we take on. It will give us a baseline document with eval guidelines which we might reference. Whatever we look at will have a higher ed flavor to it such that it will be a significant step for our Educause discussions as well. I like the cross-polination possibilities. Take care all, Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:03 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) Bit late in the day but I have been catching up - Pratik and I were discussing open source CMS and e-learning or distance learning issues and the problems of evaluations. I feel it would be wonderful to collaborate on some of this work to make it easier for us all. We have PAS 78 in the UK a "Guide to good practice in commissioning accessible websites" http://www.drc-gb.org/library/website_accessibility_guidance/pas_78.aspx and ISO 9241-171 http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/public_s acstandards.hcsp Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:52 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) This was one of the topics of discussion at the CSUN meeting and we can move forward fairly easily. I have the evaluation checklists that my program developed at OSU and I am more than willing to share, and I bet several of you have similar things. Bob is this something you are willing to take the lead on? Folks who were at the CSUN-ATHEN meeting, how do you see this fitting into our taskforce conversation? Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Greg Kraus Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:22 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) One solution would be to set up a Wiki where ATHEN members, or maybe a select group of testers from within ATHEN could review products for accessibility. You could come up with a template that rates various areas of software accessibility (something like a VPAT?). That way an "accessibility tester" can add comments to a particular area of the review as opposed to doing a full-blown test of the software. Collectively you could build up quite a resource of unbiased reviews of software. Greg Kraus LecShare, Inc. www.lecshare.com --- "Berkowitz, Daniel J" wrote: > ATTENTION ATHEN MEMBERS: > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenneth Sawicki [mailto:ksawicki@avc.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:45 AM > To: Alternate Media > Subject: RE: AT initiative > > I wasn't here yesterday, but what Bob is saying hits the mark... I've > been thinking of doing something like that, and perhaps I should quit > thinking about doing something, and do it!!! I'm soooo tired of > reading, or hearing, "this Assistive Technology is totally accessible, > or is Section 508 compliant", and I try to use it, and can't..., And I > don't think it's my inability to use Assistive Technology. > > -Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Stewart > [mailto:ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:58 AM > To: Alternate Media > Subject: RE: AT initiative > > That conversation has come up repeatedly and was part of the > discussion when Section 508 was on the horizon many moons ago. NIST > refused to step up to the plate or was too expensive. We really do > need a form of UL labs for access. Let the buyer beware, but I am > really tired of back of the bus access! > > One of my common policy recommendation to the collleges and > universities that I have worked with in the last decade is that access > be part of their own institutional branding of web spaces. > > This needs to be an internal process because in order for it to work > there has to be ownership. I be!ieve AFB has a certification program, > but it is VI centric, and does not deal effectively with cognitive > precessing related disabiities. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: rmartinengo@gmail.com > To: "Alternate Media" > > Sent: 3/27/07 10:30 AM > Subject: RE: AT initiative > > Ron, > > Sadly, it appears the main selling point for these programs is that > they measure legal and technical compliance, rather than what is truly > accessible and usable - quantatative versus qualitative analysis. > > Wouldn't it be great if there was a 'good housekeeping' stamp of > accessibility that was more than an automated list of check points? > Perhaps > a nonprofit group that would combine the benefits of technical > compliance with real-world usability analysis. Someone should start > this company! > > Bob > > > "And this does nothing to insure the accessibility of their sites, > someone must be laffing all the way to the bank. We have discussed the > use of automated evaluators on every disability list that I am one, > and why the do not insure access. You can not just throw money and > technology at the problem." > > Ron Stewart > --- > You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: > ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-altmedia-7293F@htclistserv.htctufhda.edu > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: > ksawicki@avc.edu > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: > djbrky@bu.edu > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: 30/03/2007 13:15 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu Sun Apr 1 06:59:51 2007 From: saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu (Saroj Primlani) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] AT inittiative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2434.24.136.240.97.1175435991.squirrel@webmail.ncsu.edu> At NC State, I have been involved in evaluating different CMS, LMS, SMLS, Response systems, assesment tools and other education technologies for purchase and deployment both at NC State and the UNC Systems. They have included checking a single system or a comparitive evaluation of multiple systmes under consideration. As a result I have developed evaluation protocols and check lists that I have shared with some in the group. As Ron mentioned he has some and I am sure others have done the same. I know NCDAE has done some studies and Jon and others have have focused on a WebCT /blackboard. I think we would serve everyone well, if we combined all the information, strategies and techniques, did some comparitive analysis of some larger technologies and create taskforce to focus on a particular vendor like Apple or Blackboard. It would get everyone involved and vested into ATHEN, give us materials for presentations and articles for ejournals. It will also helps us "shed" the light without aggresively engaging anyone. I would be willing to take the lead to pull this information together from anyone who is willing to share what they have and work with Sean, Jon and others to find a way to get it all on line. Of course I can't do this alone so if there are others who would be interested in participating, I have access to web conferencing tools which could be used for regularly scheduled meetings etc. Saroj Send Athen mailing list submissions to > athen@athenpro.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-request@athenpro.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-owner@athenpro.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FW: AT initiative (your attention please) (E.A. Draffan) > 2. Re: FW: AT initiative (your attention please) (Pratik Patel) > 3. Re: FW: AT initiative (your attention please) (E.A. Draffan) > 4. Re: FW: AT initiative (your attention please) (Ron Stewart) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:03:18 +0100 > From: "E.A. Draffan" > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > Message-ID: <001501c773c7$3ea5ae00$15c4fea9@laptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > Bit late in the day but I have been catching up - Pratik and I were > discussing open source CMS and e-learning or distance learning issues and > the problems of evaluations. I feel it would be wonderful to collaborate > on > some of this work to make it easier for us all. We have PAS 78 in the UK > a > "Guide to good practice in commissioning accessible websites" > http://www.drc-gb.org/library/website_accessibility_guidance/pas_78.aspx > and ISO 9241-171 > http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/public_s > acstandards.hcsp > > Best Wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Assistive Technologist > Mobile: 07976 289103 > http://www.emptech.info/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Ron Stewart > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:52 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > This was one of the topics of discussion at the CSUN meeting and we can > move > forward fairly easily. I have the evaluation checklists that my program > developed at OSU and I am more than willing to share, and I bet several of > you have similar things. > > Bob is this something you are willing to take the lead on? Folks who were > at the CSUN-ATHEN meeting, how do you see this fitting into our taskforce > conversation? > > Ron Stewart > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Greg Kraus > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:22 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > One solution would be to set up a Wiki where ATHEN members, or maybe a > select group of testers from within ATHEN could review products for > accessibility. > You could come up with a template that rates various areas of software > accessibility (something like a VPAT?). That way an "accessibility > tester" > can add comments to a particular area of the review as opposed to doing a > full-blown test of the software. > Collectively you could build up quite a resource of unbiased reviews of > software. > > Greg Kraus > > LecShare, Inc. > www.lecshare.com > > > --- "Berkowitz, Daniel J" wrote: > >> ATTENTION ATHEN MEMBERS: >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kenneth Sawicki [mailto:ksawicki@avc.edu] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:45 AM >> To: Alternate Media >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> I wasn't here yesterday, but what Bob is saying hits the mark... I've >> been thinking of doing something like that, and perhaps I should quit >> thinking about doing something, and do it!!! I'm soooo tired of >> reading, or hearing, "this Assistive Technology is totally accessible, >> or is Section 508 compliant", and I try to use it, and can't..., And I >> don't think it's my inability to use Assistive Technology. >> >> -Ken >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron Stewart >> [mailto:ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:58 AM >> To: Alternate Media >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> That conversation has come up repeatedly and was part of the >> discussion when Section 508 was on the horizon many moons ago. NIST >> refused to step up to the plate or was too expensive. We really do >> need a form of UL labs for access. Let the buyer beware, but I am >> really tired of back of the bus access! >> >> One of my common policy recommendation to the collleges and >> universities that I have worked with in the last decade is that access >> be part of their own institutional branding of web spaces. >> >> This needs to be an internal process because in order for it to work >> there has to be ownership. I be!ieve AFB has a certification program, >> but it is VI centric, and does not deal effectively with cognitive >> precessing related disabiities. >> >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rmartinengo@gmail.com >> To: "Alternate Media" >> >> Sent: 3/27/07 10:30 AM >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> Ron, >> >> Sadly, it appears the main selling point for these programs is that >> they measure legal and technical compliance, rather than what is truly >> accessible and usable - quantatative versus qualitative analysis. >> >> Wouldn't it be great if there was a 'good housekeeping' stamp of >> accessibility that was more than an automated list of check points? >> Perhaps >> a nonprofit group that would combine the benefits of technical >> compliance with real-world usability analysis. Someone should start >> this company! >> >> Bob >> >> >> "And this does nothing to insure the accessibility of their sites, >> someone must be laffing all the way to the bank. We have discussed the >> use of automated evaluators on every disability list that I am one, >> and why the do not insure access. You can not just throw money and >> technology at the problem." >> >> Ron Stewart >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-7293F@htclistserv.htctufhda.edu >> >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> ksawicki@avc.edu >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> djbrky@bu.edu >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: > 27/03/2007 > 16:38 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: > 30/03/2007 > 13:15 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 04:08:09 -0400 > From: "Pratik Patel" > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > To: , "'Access Technologists in Higher Education > Network'" > Message-ID: <082301c77434$e9685a00$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ron, E.A., et al, > > Perhaps we can compile a master checklist from the various documents we > may > have floating around. I have one that I tend to use. Would you all agree > that we are, at this point, seeking functional accessibility rather than > adherence to any particular "standard?" It appears to me that standards, > at > least when it comes to accessibility, are just not keeping up to > technological developments. I believe Bob Martinengo is not on this list > but > we should invite him to join the list and as a member. > > This discussion is very important for the taskforce or any future projects > we take on. It will give us a baseline document with eval guidelines > which > we might reference. Whatever we look at will have a higher ed flavor to > it > such that it will be a significant step for our Educause discussions as > well. I like the cross-polination possibilities. > > Take care all, > > Pratik > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of E.A. Draffan > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:03 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > Bit late in the day but I have been catching up - Pratik and I were > discussing open source CMS and e-learning or distance learning issues and > the problems of evaluations. I feel it would be wonderful to collaborate > on > some of this work to make it easier for us all. We have PAS 78 in the UK > a > "Guide to good practice in commissioning accessible websites" > http://www.drc-gb.org/library/website_accessibility_guidance/pas_78.aspx > and ISO 9241-171 > http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/public_s > acstandards.hcsp > > Best Wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Assistive Technologist > Mobile: 07976 289103 > http://www.emptech.info/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Ron Stewart > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:52 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > This was one of the topics of discussion at the CSUN meeting and we can > move > forward fairly easily. I have the evaluation checklists that my program > developed at OSU and I am more than willing to share, and I bet several of > you have similar things. > > Bob is this something you are willing to take the lead on? Folks who were > at the CSUN-ATHEN meeting, how do you see this fitting into our taskforce > conversation? > > Ron Stewart > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Greg Kraus > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:22 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > One solution would be to set up a Wiki where ATHEN members, or maybe a > select group of testers from within ATHEN could review products for > accessibility. > You could come up with a template that rates various areas of software > accessibility (something like a VPAT?). That way an "accessibility > tester" > can add comments to a particular area of the review as opposed to doing a > full-blown test of the software. > Collectively you could build up quite a resource of unbiased reviews of > software. > > Greg Kraus > > LecShare, Inc. > www.lecshare.com > > > --- "Berkowitz, Daniel J" wrote: > >> ATTENTION ATHEN MEMBERS: >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kenneth Sawicki [mailto:ksawicki@avc.edu] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:45 AM >> To: Alternate Media >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> I wasn't here yesterday, but what Bob is saying hits the mark... I've >> been thinking of doing something like that, and perhaps I should quit >> thinking about doing something, and do it!!! I'm soooo tired of >> reading, or hearing, "this Assistive Technology is totally accessible, >> or is Section 508 compliant", and I try to use it, and can't..., And I >> don't think it's my inability to use Assistive Technology. >> >> -Ken >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron Stewart >> [mailto:ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:58 AM >> To: Alternate Media >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> That conversation has come up repeatedly and was part of the >> discussion when Section 508 was on the horizon many moons ago. NIST >> refused to step up to the plate or was too expensive. We really do >> need a form of UL labs for access. Let the buyer beware, but I am >> really tired of back of the bus access! >> >> One of my common policy recommendation to the collleges and >> universities that I have worked with in the last decade is that access >> be part of their own institutional branding of web spaces. >> >> This needs to be an internal process because in order for it to work >> there has to be ownership. I be!ieve AFB has a certification program, >> but it is VI centric, and does not deal effectively with cognitive >> precessing related disabiities. >> >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rmartinengo@gmail.com >> To: "Alternate Media" >> >> Sent: 3/27/07 10:30 AM >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> Ron, >> >> Sadly, it appears the main selling point for these programs is that >> they measure legal and technical compliance, rather than what is truly >> accessible and usable - quantatative versus qualitative analysis. >> >> Wouldn't it be great if there was a 'good housekeeping' stamp of >> accessibility that was more than an automated list of check points? >> Perhaps >> a nonprofit group that would combine the benefits of technical >> compliance with real-world usability analysis. Someone should start >> this company! >> >> Bob >> >> >> "And this does nothing to insure the accessibility of their sites, >> someone must be laffing all the way to the bank. We have discussed the >> use of automated evaluators on every disability list that I am one, >> and why the do not insure access. You can not just throw money and >> technology at the problem." >> >> Ron Stewart >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-7293F@htclistserv.htctufhda.edu >> >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> ksawicki@avc.edu >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> djbrky@bu.edu >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: > 27/03/2007 > 16:38 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: > 30/03/2007 > 13:15 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:50:26 +0100 > From: "E.A. Draffan" > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > To: "'Pratik Patel'" , "'Access Technologists in > Higher Education Network'" > Message-ID: <001901c77443$3a1760f0$15c4fea9@laptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > I absolutely agree with Pratik - we are seeking functional accessibility > and > I feel as such we will be able to make a very useful toolkit that could > help > many others in the field. I can see lots of hurdles ahead just at the > thought of different AT software packages working in different ways with > general applications and web based content that is constantly changing, > but > Hey ho, that is what it is all about! > > Best Wishes E.A. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pratik Patel [mailto:pratikp1@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:08 AM > To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: RE: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > Ron, E.A., et al, > > Perhaps we can compile a master checklist from the various documents we > may > have floating around. I have one that I tend to use. Would you all agree > that we are, at this point, seeking functional accessibility rather than > adherence to any particular "standard?" It appears to me that standards, > at > least when it comes to accessibility, are just not keeping up to > technological developments. I believe Bob Martinengo is not on this list > but > we should invite him to join the list and as a member. > > This discussion is very important for the taskforce or any future projects > we take on. It will give us a baseline document with eval guidelines > which > we might reference. Whatever we look at will have a higher ed flavor to > it > such that it will be a significant step for our Educause discussions as > well. I like the cross-polination possibilities. > > Take care all, > > Pratik > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of E.A. Draffan > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:03 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > Bit late in the day but I have been catching up - Pratik and I were > discussing open source CMS and e-learning or distance learning issues and > the problems of evaluations. I feel it would be wonderful to collaborate > on > some of this work to make it easier for us all. We have PAS 78 in the UK > a > "Guide to good practice in commissioning accessible websites" > http://www.drc-gb.org/library/website_accessibility_guidance/pas_78.aspx > and ISO 9241-171 > http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/public_s > acstandards.hcsp > > Best Wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Assistive Technologist > Mobile: 07976 289103 > http://www.emptech.info/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Ron Stewart > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:52 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > This was one of the topics of discussion at the CSUN meeting and we can > move > forward fairly easily. I have the evaluation checklists that my program > developed at OSU and I am more than willing to share, and I bet several of > you have similar things. > > Bob is this something you are willing to take the lead on? Folks who were > at the CSUN-ATHEN meeting, how do you see this fitting into our taskforce > conversation? > > Ron Stewart > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Greg Kraus > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:22 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > One solution would be to set up a Wiki where ATHEN members, or maybe a > select group of testers from within ATHEN could review products for > accessibility. > You could come up with a template that rates various areas of software > accessibility (something like a VPAT?). That way an "accessibility > tester" > can add comments to a particular area of the review as opposed to doing a > full-blown test of the software. > Collectively you could build up quite a resource of unbiased reviews of > software. > > Greg Kraus > > LecShare, Inc. > www.lecshare.com > > > --- "Berkowitz, Daniel J" wrote: > >> ATTENTION ATHEN MEMBERS: >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kenneth Sawicki [mailto:ksawicki@avc.edu] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:45 AM >> To: Alternate Media >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> I wasn't here yesterday, but what Bob is saying hits the mark... I've >> been thinking of doing something like that, and perhaps I should quit >> thinking about doing something, and do it!!! I'm soooo tired of >> reading, or hearing, "this Assistive Technology is totally accessible, >> or is Section 508 compliant", and I try to use it, and can't..., And I >> don't think it's my inability to use Assistive Technology. >> >> -Ken >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron Stewart >> [mailto:ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:58 AM >> To: Alternate Media >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> That conversation has come up repeatedly and was part of the >> discussion when Section 508 was on the horizon many moons ago. NIST >> refused to step up to the plate or was too expensive. We really do >> need a form of UL labs for access. Let the buyer beware, but I am >> really tired of back of the bus access! >> >> One of my common policy recommendation to the collleges and >> universities that I have worked with in the last decade is that access >> be part of their own institutional branding of web spaces. >> >> This needs to be an internal process because in order for it to work >> there has to be ownership. I be!ieve AFB has a certification program, >> but it is VI centric, and does not deal effectively with cognitive >> precessing related disabiities. >> >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rmartinengo@gmail.com >> To: "Alternate Media" >> >> Sent: 3/27/07 10:30 AM >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> Ron, >> >> Sadly, it appears the main selling point for these programs is that >> they measure legal and technical compliance, rather than what is truly >> accessible and usable - quantatative versus qualitative analysis. >> >> Wouldn't it be great if there was a 'good housekeeping' stamp of >> accessibility that was more than an automated list of check points? >> Perhaps >> a nonprofit group that would combine the benefits of technical >> compliance with real-world usability analysis. Someone should start >> this company! >> >> Bob >> >> >> "And this does nothing to insure the accessibility of their sites, >> someone must be laffing all the way to the bank. We have discussed the >> use of automated evaluators on every disability list that I am one, >> and why the do not insure access. You can not just throw money and >> technology at the problem." >> >> Ron Stewart >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-7293F@htclistserv.htctufhda.edu >> >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> ksawicki@avc.edu >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> djbrky@bu.edu >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: > 27/03/2007 > 16:38 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: > 30/03/2007 > 13:15 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/741 - Release Date: > 31/03/2007 > 20:54 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/741 - Release Date: > 31/03/2007 > 20:54 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 06:14:03 -0400 > From: "Ron Stewart" > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > , > Message-ID: <002b01c77446$7ad460e0$707d22a0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Morning, > > I think we need to look at compliance, functional accessibility, and > usability as occurring on a continuum. One of the conversations I often > get > into with IT folks is the cost benefit ratios of each level of > accessibility, and providing clear examples of how conformance falls > short. > My preference at this point is that it be an ATHEN Taskforce unless we > find > we need to bring in outside expertise to do the job right, > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Pratik Patel > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:08 AM > To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > Ron, E.A., et al, > > Perhaps we can compile a master checklist from the various documents we > may > have floating around. I have one that I tend to use. Would you all agree > that we are, at this point, seeking functional accessibility rather than > adherence to any particular "standard?" It appears to me that standards, > at > least when it comes to accessibility, are just not keeping up to > technological developments. I believe Bob Martinengo is not on this list > but > we should invite him to join the list and as a member. > > This discussion is very important for the taskforce or any future projects > we take on. It will give us a baseline document with eval guidelines > which > we might reference. Whatever we look at will have a higher ed flavor to > it > such that it will be a significant step for our Educause discussions as > well. I like the cross-polination possibilities. > > Take care all, > > Pratik > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of E.A. Draffan > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:03 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > Bit late in the day but I have been catching up - Pratik and I were > discussing open source CMS and e-learning or distance learning issues and > the problems of evaluations. I feel it would be wonderful to collaborate > on > some of this work to make it easier for us all. We have PAS 78 in the UK > a > "Guide to good practice in commissioning accessible websites" > http://www.drc-gb.org/library/website_accessibility_guidance/pas_78.aspx > and ISO 9241-171 > http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/public_s > acstandards.hcsp > > Best Wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Assistive Technologist > Mobile: 07976 289103 > http://www.emptech.info/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Ron Stewart > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:52 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > This was one of the topics of discussion at the CSUN meeting and we can > move > forward fairly easily. I have the evaluation checklists that my program > developed at OSU and I am more than willing to share, and I bet several of > you have similar things. > > Bob is this something you are willing to take the lead on? Folks who were > at the CSUN-ATHEN meeting, how do you see this fitting into our taskforce > conversation? > > Ron Stewart > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Greg Kraus > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:22 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > One solution would be to set up a Wiki where ATHEN members, or maybe a > select group of testers from within ATHEN could review products for > accessibility. > You could come up with a template that rates various areas of software > accessibility (something like a VPAT?). That way an "accessibility > tester" > can add comments to a particular area of the review as opposed to doing a > full-blown test of the software. > Collectively you could build up quite a resource of unbiased reviews of > software. > > Greg Kraus > > LecShare, Inc. > www.lecshare.com > > > --- "Berkowitz, Daniel J" wrote: > >> ATTENTION ATHEN MEMBERS: >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kenneth Sawicki [mailto:ksawicki@avc.edu] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:45 AM >> To: Alternate Media >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> I wasn't here yesterday, but what Bob is saying hits the mark... I've >> been thinking of doing something like that, and perhaps I should quit >> thinking about doing something, and do it!!! I'm soooo tired of >> reading, or hearing, "this Assistive Technology is totally accessible, >> or is Section 508 compliant", and I try to use it, and can't..., And I >> don't think it's my inability to use Assistive Technology. >> >> -Ken >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron Stewart >> [mailto:ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:58 AM >> To: Alternate Media >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> That conversation has come up repeatedly and was part of the >> discussion when Section 508 was on the horizon many moons ago. NIST >> refused to step up to the plate or was too expensive. We really do >> need a form of UL labs for access. Let the buyer beware, but I am >> really tired of back of the bus access! >> >> One of my common policy recommendation to the collleges and >> universities that I have worked with in the last decade is that access >> be part of their own institutional branding of web spaces. >> >> This needs to be an internal process because in order for it to work >> there has to be ownership. I be!ieve AFB has a certification program, >> but it is VI centric, and does not deal effectively with cognitive >> precessing related disabiities. >> >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rmartinengo@gmail.com >> To: "Alternate Media" >> >> Sent: 3/27/07 10:30 AM >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> Ron, >> >> Sadly, it appears the main selling point for these programs is that >> they measure legal and technical compliance, rather than what is truly >> accessible and usable - quantatative versus qualitative analysis. >> >> Wouldn't it be great if there was a 'good housekeeping' stamp of >> accessibility that was more than an automated list of check points? >> Perhaps >> a nonprofit group that would combine the benefits of technical >> compliance with real-world usability analysis. Someone should start >> this company! >> >> Bob >> >> >> "And this does nothing to insure the accessibility of their sites, >> someone must be laffing all the way to the bank. We have discussed the >> use of automated evaluators on every disability list that I am one, >> and why the do not insure access. You can not just throw money and >> technology at the problem." >> >> Ron Stewart >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-7293F@htclistserv.htctufhda.edu >> >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> ksawicki@avc.edu >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> djbrky@bu.edu >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: > 27/03/2007 > 16:38 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: > 30/03/2007 > 13:15 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > End of Athen Digest, Vol 15, Issue 1 > ************************************ > From ea at emptech.info Sun Apr 1 07:49:54 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] AT inittiative In-Reply-To: <2434.24.136.240.97.1175435991.squirrel@webmail.ncsu.edu> References: <2434.24.136.240.97.1175435991.squirrel@webmail.ncsu.edu> Message-ID: <004a01c7746d$03437bc0$15c4fea9@laptop> Saroj - lovely to hear from you and I do hope your holiday goes well. Happy to help where I can - I do not have any protocols that are particularly memorable but willing to test those provided and work with anyone experimenting with toolkits and the applications suggested. Best Wishes E.A. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Saroj Primlani Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 3:00 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] AT inittiative At NC State, I have been involved in evaluating different CMS, LMS, SMLS, Response systems, assesment tools and other education technologies for purchase and deployment both at NC State and the UNC Systems. They have included checking a single system or a comparitive evaluation of multiple systmes under consideration. As a result I have developed evaluation protocols and check lists that I have shared with some in the group. As Ron mentioned he has some and I am sure others have done the same. I know NCDAE has done some studies and Jon and others have have focused on a WebCT /blackboard. I think we would serve everyone well, if we combined all the information, strategies and techniques, did some comparitive analysis of some larger technologies and create taskforce to focus on a particular vendor like Apple or Blackboard. It would get everyone involved and vested into ATHEN, give us materials for presentations and articles for ejournals. It will also helps us "shed" the light without aggresively engaging anyone. I would be willing to take the lead to pull this information together from anyone who is willing to share what they have and work with Sean, Jon and others to find a way to get it all on line. Of course I can't do this alone so if there are others who would be interested in participating, I have access to web conferencing tools which could be used for regularly scheduled meetings etc. Saroj Send Athen mailing list submissions to > athen@athenpro.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-request@athenpro.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-owner@athenpro.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FW: AT initiative (your attention please) (E.A. Draffan) > 2. Re: FW: AT initiative (your attention please) (Pratik Patel) > 3. Re: FW: AT initiative (your attention please) (E.A. Draffan) > 4. Re: FW: AT initiative (your attention please) (Ron Stewart) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:03:18 +0100 > From: "E.A. Draffan" > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > Message-ID: <001501c773c7$3ea5ae00$15c4fea9@laptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > Bit late in the day but I have been catching up - Pratik and I were > discussing open source CMS and e-learning or distance learning issues > and the problems of evaluations. I feel it would be wonderful to > collaborate on some of this work to make it easier for us all. We > have PAS 78 in the UK a "Guide to good practice in commissioning > accessible websites" > http://www.drc-gb.org/library/website_accessibility_guidance/pas_78.as > px > and ISO 9241-171 > http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/pu > blic_s > acstandards.hcsp > > Best Wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Assistive Technologist > Mobile: 07976 289103 > http://www.emptech.info/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On Behalf Of Ron Stewart > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:52 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > This was one of the topics of discussion at the CSUN meeting and we > can move forward fairly easily. I have the evaluation checklists that > my program developed at OSU and I am more than willing to share, and I > bet several of you have similar things. > > Bob is this something you are willing to take the lead on? Folks who > were at the CSUN-ATHEN meeting, how do you see this fitting into our > taskforce conversation? > > Ron Stewart > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On Behalf Of Greg Kraus > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:22 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > One solution would be to set up a Wiki where ATHEN members, or maybe a > select group of testers from within ATHEN could review products for > accessibility. > You could come up with a template that rates various areas of software > accessibility (something like a VPAT?). That way an "accessibility > tester" > can add comments to a particular area of the review as opposed to > doing a full-blown test of the software. > Collectively you could build up quite a resource of unbiased reviews > of software. > > Greg Kraus > > LecShare, Inc. > www.lecshare.com > > > --- "Berkowitz, Daniel J" wrote: > >> ATTENTION ATHEN MEMBERS: >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kenneth Sawicki [mailto:ksawicki@avc.edu] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:45 AM >> To: Alternate Media >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> I wasn't here yesterday, but what Bob is saying hits the mark... I've >> been thinking of doing something like that, and perhaps I should quit >> thinking about doing something, and do it!!! I'm soooo tired of >> reading, or hearing, "this Assistive Technology is totally >> accessible, or is Section 508 compliant", and I try to use it, and >> can't..., And I don't think it's my inability to use Assistive Technology. >> >> -Ken >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron Stewart >> [mailto:ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:58 AM >> To: Alternate Media >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> That conversation has come up repeatedly and was part of the >> discussion when Section 508 was on the horizon many moons ago. NIST >> refused to step up to the plate or was too expensive. We really do >> need a form of UL labs for access. Let the buyer beware, but I am >> really tired of back of the bus access! >> >> One of my common policy recommendation to the collleges and >> universities that I have worked with in the last decade is that >> access be part of their own institutional branding of web spaces. >> >> This needs to be an internal process because in order for it to work >> there has to be ownership. I be!ieve AFB has a certification >> program, but it is VI centric, and does not deal effectively with >> cognitive precessing related disabiities. >> >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rmartinengo@gmail.com >> To: "Alternate Media" >> >> Sent: 3/27/07 10:30 AM >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> Ron, >> >> Sadly, it appears the main selling point for these programs is that >> they measure legal and technical compliance, rather than what is >> truly accessible and usable - quantatative versus qualitative analysis. >> >> Wouldn't it be great if there was a 'good housekeeping' stamp of >> accessibility that was more than an automated list of check points? >> Perhaps >> a nonprofit group that would combine the benefits of technical >> compliance with real-world usability analysis. Someone should start >> this company! >> >> Bob >> >> >> "And this does nothing to insure the accessibility of their sites, >> someone must be laffing all the way to the bank. We have discussed >> the use of automated evaluators on every disability list that I am >> one, and why the do not insure access. You can not just throw money >> and technology at the problem." >> >> Ron Stewart >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-7293F@htclistserv.htctufhda.edu >> >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> ksawicki@avc.edu >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> djbrky@bu.edu >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: > 27/03/2007 > 16:38 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: > 30/03/2007 > 13:15 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 04:08:09 -0400 > From: "Pratik Patel" > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > To: , "'Access Technologists in Higher Education > Network'" > Message-ID: <082301c77434$e9685a00$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ron, E.A., et al, > > Perhaps we can compile a master checklist from the various documents > we may have floating around. I have one that I tend to use. Would > you all agree that we are, at this point, seeking functional > accessibility rather than adherence to any particular "standard?" It > appears to me that standards, at least when it comes to accessibility, > are just not keeping up to technological developments. I believe Bob > Martinengo is not on this list but we should invite him to join the > list and as a member. > > This discussion is very important for the taskforce or any future > projects we take on. It will give us a baseline document with eval > guidelines which we might reference. Whatever we look at will have a > higher ed flavor to it such that it will be a significant step for our > Educause discussions as well. I like the cross-polination > possibilities. > > Take care all, > > Pratik > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:03 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > Bit late in the day but I have been catching up - Pratik and I were > discussing open source CMS and e-learning or distance learning issues > and the problems of evaluations. I feel it would be wonderful to > collaborate on some of this work to make it easier for us all. We > have PAS 78 in the UK a "Guide to good practice in commissioning > accessible websites" > http://www.drc-gb.org/library/website_accessibility_guidance/pas_78.as > px > and ISO 9241-171 > http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/pu > blic_s > acstandards.hcsp > > Best Wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Assistive Technologist > Mobile: 07976 289103 > http://www.emptech.info/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On Behalf Of Ron Stewart > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:52 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > This was one of the topics of discussion at the CSUN meeting and we > can move forward fairly easily. I have the evaluation checklists that > my program developed at OSU and I am more than willing to share, and I > bet several of you have similar things. > > Bob is this something you are willing to take the lead on? Folks who > were at the CSUN-ATHEN meeting, how do you see this fitting into our > taskforce conversation? > > Ron Stewart > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On Behalf Of Greg Kraus > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:22 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > One solution would be to set up a Wiki where ATHEN members, or maybe a > select group of testers from within ATHEN could review products for > accessibility. > You could come up with a template that rates various areas of software > accessibility (something like a VPAT?). That way an "accessibility > tester" > can add comments to a particular area of the review as opposed to > doing a full-blown test of the software. > Collectively you could build up quite a resource of unbiased reviews > of software. > > Greg Kraus > > LecShare, Inc. > www.lecshare.com > > > --- "Berkowitz, Daniel J" wrote: > >> ATTENTION ATHEN MEMBERS: >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kenneth Sawicki [mailto:ksawicki@avc.edu] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:45 AM >> To: Alternate Media >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> I wasn't here yesterday, but what Bob is saying hits the mark... I've >> been thinking of doing something like that, and perhaps I should quit >> thinking about doing something, and do it!!! I'm soooo tired of >> reading, or hearing, "this Assistive Technology is totally >> accessible, or is Section 508 compliant", and I try to use it, and >> can't..., And I don't think it's my inability to use Assistive Technology. >> >> -Ken >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron Stewart >> [mailto:ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:58 AM >> To: Alternate Media >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> That conversation has come up repeatedly and was part of the >> discussion when Section 508 was on the horizon many moons ago. NIST >> refused to step up to the plate or was too expensive. We really do >> need a form of UL labs for access. Let the buyer beware, but I am >> really tired of back of the bus access! >> >> One of my common policy recommendation to the collleges and >> universities that I have worked with in the last decade is that >> access be part of their own institutional branding of web spaces. >> >> This needs to be an internal process because in order for it to work >> there has to be ownership. I be!ieve AFB has a certification >> program, but it is VI centric, and does not deal effectively with >> cognitive precessing related disabiities. >> >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rmartinengo@gmail.com >> To: "Alternate Media" >> >> Sent: 3/27/07 10:30 AM >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> Ron, >> >> Sadly, it appears the main selling point for these programs is that >> they measure legal and technical compliance, rather than what is >> truly accessible and usable - quantatative versus qualitative analysis. >> >> Wouldn't it be great if there was a 'good housekeeping' stamp of >> accessibility that was more than an automated list of check points? >> Perhaps >> a nonprofit group that would combine the benefits of technical >> compliance with real-world usability analysis. Someone should start >> this company! >> >> Bob >> >> >> "And this does nothing to insure the accessibility of their sites, >> someone must be laffing all the way to the bank. We have discussed >> the use of automated evaluators on every disability list that I am >> one, and why the do not insure access. You can not just throw money >> and technology at the problem." >> >> Ron Stewart >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-7293F@htclistserv.htctufhda.edu >> >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> ksawicki@avc.edu >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> djbrky@bu.edu >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: > 27/03/2007 > 16:38 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: > 30/03/2007 > 13:15 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:50:26 +0100 > From: "E.A. Draffan" > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > To: "'Pratik Patel'" , "'Access Technologists in > Higher Education Network'" > Message-ID: <001901c77443$3a1760f0$15c4fea9@laptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > I absolutely agree with Pratik - we are seeking functional > accessibility and I feel as such we will be able to make a very useful > toolkit that could help many others in the field. I can see lots of > hurdles ahead just at the thought of different AT software packages > working in different ways with general applications and web based > content that is constantly changing, but Hey ho, that is what it is > all about! > > Best Wishes E.A. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pratik Patel [mailto:pratikp1@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:08 AM > To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: RE: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > Ron, E.A., et al, > > Perhaps we can compile a master checklist from the various documents > we may have floating around. I have one that I tend to use. Would > you all agree that we are, at this point, seeking functional > accessibility rather than adherence to any particular "standard?" It > appears to me that standards, at least when it comes to accessibility, > are just not keeping up to technological developments. I believe Bob > Martinengo is not on this list but we should invite him to join the > list and as a member. > > This discussion is very important for the taskforce or any future > projects we take on. It will give us a baseline document with eval > guidelines which we might reference. Whatever we look at will have a > higher ed flavor to it such that it will be a significant step for our > Educause discussions as well. I like the cross-polination > possibilities. > > Take care all, > > Pratik > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:03 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > Bit late in the day but I have been catching up - Pratik and I were > discussing open source CMS and e-learning or distance learning issues > and the problems of evaluations. I feel it would be wonderful to > collaborate on some of this work to make it easier for us all. We > have PAS 78 in the UK a "Guide to good practice in commissioning > accessible websites" > http://www.drc-gb.org/library/website_accessibility_guidance/pas_78.as > px > and ISO 9241-171 > http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/pu > blic_s > acstandards.hcsp > > Best Wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Assistive Technologist > Mobile: 07976 289103 > http://www.emptech.info/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On Behalf Of Ron Stewart > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:52 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > This was one of the topics of discussion at the CSUN meeting and we > can move forward fairly easily. I have the evaluation checklists that > my program developed at OSU and I am more than willing to share, and I > bet several of you have similar things. > > Bob is this something you are willing to take the lead on? Folks who > were at the CSUN-ATHEN meeting, how do you see this fitting into our > taskforce conversation? > > Ron Stewart > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On Behalf Of Greg Kraus > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:22 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > One solution would be to set up a Wiki where ATHEN members, or maybe a > select group of testers from within ATHEN could review products for > accessibility. > You could come up with a template that rates various areas of software > accessibility (something like a VPAT?). That way an "accessibility > tester" > can add comments to a particular area of the review as opposed to > doing a full-blown test of the software. > Collectively you could build up quite a resource of unbiased reviews > of software. > > Greg Kraus > > LecShare, Inc. > www.lecshare.com > > > --- "Berkowitz, Daniel J" wrote: > >> ATTENTION ATHEN MEMBERS: >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kenneth Sawicki [mailto:ksawicki@avc.edu] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:45 AM >> To: Alternate Media >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> I wasn't here yesterday, but what Bob is saying hits the mark... I've >> been thinking of doing something like that, and perhaps I should quit >> thinking about doing something, and do it!!! I'm soooo tired of >> reading, or hearing, "this Assistive Technology is totally >> accessible, or is Section 508 compliant", and I try to use it, and >> can't..., And I don't think it's my inability to use Assistive Technology. >> >> -Ken >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron Stewart >> [mailto:ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:58 AM >> To: Alternate Media >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> That conversation has come up repeatedly and was part of the >> discussion when Section 508 was on the horizon many moons ago. NIST >> refused to step up to the plate or was too expensive. We really do >> need a form of UL labs for access. Let the buyer beware, but I am >> really tired of back of the bus access! >> >> One of my common policy recommendation to the collleges and >> universities that I have worked with in the last decade is that >> access be part of their own institutional branding of web spaces. >> >> This needs to be an internal process because in order for it to work >> there has to be ownership. I be!ieve AFB has a certification >> program, but it is VI centric, and does not deal effectively with >> cognitive precessing related disabiities. >> >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rmartinengo@gmail.com >> To: "Alternate Media" >> >> Sent: 3/27/07 10:30 AM >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> Ron, >> >> Sadly, it appears the main selling point for these programs is that >> they measure legal and technical compliance, rather than what is >> truly accessible and usable - quantatative versus qualitative analysis. >> >> Wouldn't it be great if there was a 'good housekeeping' stamp of >> accessibility that was more than an automated list of check points? >> Perhaps >> a nonprofit group that would combine the benefits of technical >> compliance with real-world usability analysis. Someone should start >> this company! >> >> Bob >> >> >> "And this does nothing to insure the accessibility of their sites, >> someone must be laffing all the way to the bank. We have discussed >> the use of automated evaluators on every disability list that I am >> one, and why the do not insure access. You can not just throw money >> and technology at the problem." >> >> Ron Stewart >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-7293F@htclistserv.htctufhda.edu >> >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> ksawicki@avc.edu >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> djbrky@bu.edu >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: > 27/03/2007 > 16:38 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: > 30/03/2007 > 13:15 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/741 - Release Date: > 31/03/2007 > 20:54 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/741 - Release Date: > 31/03/2007 > 20:54 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 06:14:03 -0400 > From: "Ron Stewart" > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > , > Message-ID: <002b01c77446$7ad460e0$707d22a0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Morning, > > I think we need to look at compliance, functional accessibility, and > usability as occurring on a continuum. One of the conversations I > often get into with IT folks is the cost benefit ratios of each level > of accessibility, and providing clear examples of how conformance > falls short. > My preference at this point is that it be an ATHEN Taskforce unless we > find we need to bring in outside expertise to do the job right, > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On Behalf Of Pratik Patel > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:08 AM > To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > Ron, E.A., et al, > > Perhaps we can compile a master checklist from the various documents > we may have floating around. I have one that I tend to use. Would > you all agree that we are, at this point, seeking functional > accessibility rather than adherence to any particular "standard?" It > appears to me that standards, at least when it comes to accessibility, > are just not keeping up to technological developments. I believe Bob > Martinengo is not on this list but we should invite him to join the > list and as a member. > > This discussion is very important for the taskforce or any future > projects we take on. It will give us a baseline document with eval > guidelines which we might reference. Whatever we look at will have a > higher ed flavor to it such that it will be a significant step for our > Educause discussions as well. I like the cross-polination > possibilities. > > Take care all, > > Pratik > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:03 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > Bit late in the day but I have been catching up - Pratik and I were > discussing open source CMS and e-learning or distance learning issues > and the problems of evaluations. I feel it would be wonderful to > collaborate on some of this work to make it easier for us all. We > have PAS 78 in the UK a "Guide to good practice in commissioning > accessible websites" > http://www.drc-gb.org/library/website_accessibility_guidance/pas_78.as > px > and ISO 9241-171 > http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/pu > blic_s > acstandards.hcsp > > Best Wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Assistive Technologist > Mobile: 07976 289103 > http://www.emptech.info/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On Behalf Of Ron Stewart > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:52 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > This was one of the topics of discussion at the CSUN meeting and we > can move forward fairly easily. I have the evaluation checklists that > my program developed at OSU and I am more than willing to share, and I > bet several of you have similar things. > > Bob is this something you are willing to take the lead on? Folks who > were at the CSUN-ATHEN meeting, how do you see this fitting into our > taskforce conversation? > > Ron Stewart > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On Behalf Of Greg Kraus > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:22 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please) > > One solution would be to set up a Wiki where ATHEN members, or maybe a > select group of testers from within ATHEN could review products for > accessibility. > You could come up with a template that rates various areas of software > accessibility (something like a VPAT?). That way an "accessibility > tester" > can add comments to a particular area of the review as opposed to > doing a full-blown test of the software. > Collectively you could build up quite a resource of unbiased reviews > of software. > > Greg Kraus > > LecShare, Inc. > www.lecshare.com > > > --- "Berkowitz, Daniel J" wrote: > >> ATTENTION ATHEN MEMBERS: >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kenneth Sawicki [mailto:ksawicki@avc.edu] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:45 AM >> To: Alternate Media >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> I wasn't here yesterday, but what Bob is saying hits the mark... I've >> been thinking of doing something like that, and perhaps I should quit >> thinking about doing something, and do it!!! I'm soooo tired of >> reading, or hearing, "this Assistive Technology is totally >> accessible, or is Section 508 compliant", and I try to use it, and >> can't..., And I don't think it's my inability to use Assistive Technology. >> >> -Ken >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ron Stewart >> [mailto:ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:58 AM >> To: Alternate Media >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> That conversation has come up repeatedly and was part of the >> discussion when Section 508 was on the horizon many moons ago. NIST >> refused to step up to the plate or was too expensive. We really do >> need a form of UL labs for access. Let the buyer beware, but I am >> really tired of back of the bus access! >> >> One of my common policy recommendation to the collleges and >> universities that I have worked with in the last decade is that >> access be part of their own institutional branding of web spaces. >> >> This needs to be an internal process because in order for it to work >> there has to be ownership. I be!ieve AFB has a certification >> program, but it is VI centric, and does not deal effectively with >> cognitive precessing related disabiities. >> >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rmartinengo@gmail.com >> To: "Alternate Media" >> >> Sent: 3/27/07 10:30 AM >> Subject: RE: AT initiative >> >> Ron, >> >> Sadly, it appears the main selling point for these programs is that >> they measure legal and technical compliance, rather than what is >> truly accessible and usable - quantatative versus qualitative analysis. >> >> Wouldn't it be great if there was a 'good housekeeping' stamp of >> accessibility that was more than an automated list of check points? >> Perhaps >> a nonprofit group that would combine the benefits of technical >> compliance with real-world usability analysis. Someone should start >> this company! >> >> Bob >> >> >> "And this does nothing to insure the accessibility of their sites, >> someone must be laffing all the way to the bank. We have discussed >> the use of automated evaluators on every disability list that I am >> one, and why the do not insure access. You can not just throw money >> and technology at the problem." >> >> Ron Stewart >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-7293F@htclistserv.htctufhda.edu >> >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> ksawicki@avc.edu >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to altmedia as: >> djbrky@bu.edu >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> leave-altmedia-4521E@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: > 27/03/2007 > 16:38 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.23/740 - Release Date: > 30/03/2007 > 13:15 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > End of Athen Digest, Vol 15, Issue 1 > ************************************ > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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URL: From tft at u.washington.edu Mon Apr 2 09:31:31 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: EDUCAUSE President/CEO Search Now Open Message-ID: <200704021631.l32GVVKs008894@smtp.washington.edu> FYI... -----Original Message----- From: EDUCAUSE announcement listserv [mailto:EDUCAUSE-ANNOUNCE@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of educause Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:04 AM To: EDUCAUSE-ANNOUNCE@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: EDUCAUSE President/CEO Search Now Open Dear Colleague, The search for President/CEO of EDUCAUSE is now officially open, and I would like to ask your help. As a person affiliated with an EDUCAUSE member organization, you have a stake in helping the association identify a truly exemplary thought leader and spokesperson for information technology in higher education. A detailed position description, including a list of qualifications, and information about the process of nominating candidates or applying for the position can be found at http://www.educause.edu/PresidentSearch The presidential search committee will accept nominations and applications through May 31, 2007. Please give consideration to the kind of person who can lead this dynamic association and its mission to advance higher education by promoting the intelligent use of information technology. Thank you. Sincerely, Dave Smallen Chair, EDUCAUSE Presidential Search Committee Vice President, Information Technology Hamilton College EDUCAUSE PRESIDENTIAL SEARCH COMMITTEE Ron Bleed, Maricopa Community Colleges; Lucinda Lea, Middle Tennessee State University; Marilyn McMillan, New York University; Peggy Plympton, Lehigh University; Robyn Render, University of North Carolina; Scott Siddall, Denison University; David Smallen (Chair), Hamilton College; Ellen Waite-Franzen, Dartmouth College *************************************************** EDUCAUSE is a nonprofit association whose mission is to advance higher education by promoting the intelligent use of information technology. The current membership comprises more than 2,100 colleges, universities, and educational organizations, including 200 corporations, with 16,500 active members. EDUCAUSE has offices in Boulder, Colorado, and Washington, D.C. Learn more at http://www.educause.edu From cathk at cahs.colostate.edu Mon Apr 2 10:26:13 2007 From: cathk at cahs.colostate.edu (Kilcommons,Cath) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] amazon and NFB's announcement to develop and promote web accessibility. Message-ID: This is great for web accessibility! I imagine it is backlash from the suit Target is facing, but whatever the reason, it is good news. From the 28 March 2007 article referenced below... SNIP--- In a cooperation agreement, Amazon.com pledged its commitment to continue improving the accessibility of its Web site platform, while the NFB committed to contribute its expertise in Web accessibility technologies to help further Amazon.com's efforts. .......... http://www.nfb.org/nfb/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=174 Best, Cath ++++++ Cath Stager-Kilcommons ACCESS Project Access Specialist Assistive Technology Resource Center (ATRC) Colorado State University 970-491-0788 http://accessibility.colostate.edu/ http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/ATRC/ cathk@cahs.colostate.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cathk at cahs.colostate.edu Mon Apr 2 10:48:22 2007 From: cathk at cahs.colostate.edu (Kilcommons,Cath) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] amazon and NFB's announcement to develop and promote web accessibility. Message-ID: This is great for web accessibility! I imagine it is backlash from the suit Target is facing, but whatever the reason, it is good news. From the 28 March 2007 article referenced below... SNIP--- In a cooperation agreement, Amazon.com pledged its commitment to continue improving the accessibility of its Web site platform, while the NFB committed to contribute its expertise in Web accessibility technologies to help further Amazon.com's efforts. .......... http://www.nfb.org/nfb/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=174 Best, Cath ++++++ Cath Stager-Kilcommons ACCESS Project Access Specialist Assistive Technology Resource Center (ATRC) Colorado State University 970-491-0788 http://accessibility.colostate.edu/ http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/ATRC/ cathk@cahs.colostate.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stacylee at ksu.edu Mon Apr 2 12:03:21 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] voice to text recorders In-Reply-To: <002201c77240$adb67dc0$6900a8c0@eriwi.local> References: <002201c77240$adb67dc0$6900a8c0@eriwi.local> Message-ID: <1175540601.46115379cd297@webmail.ksu.edu> So just to clarify - Students take digital recorders to class, take them home, and are able to run the audio file through Dragon - without any training? I've been fiddling with Dragon and recorded files, and it's my understanding that you can't convert files unless you have a user trained specifically for recorded files. Is there another piece of software that comes with the recorder that makes this work? Thanks, Stacy Quoting Phillip Goodman : > It seems to me that any solution that comes close to being useable > will > involve Dragon. No other program comes close to the accuracy though I > have > heard the built in voice recognition in the new Windows Vista is > pretty darn > good, but that doesn't seem to apply here. Even the University here > in > Madison has taken to hiring transcribers that are aided by the use of > Dragon > for the increased speed. > > > > > > I have used Dragon for about 10 years due to injuries. I have tried > using > Dragon in my office in more of a conversational way with clients who > were > deaf. I don't sign and interpreters are sometimes hard to get when > you want > them. For some reason the accuracy just wasn't as good even though I > was > trying to be careful about how I was using my voice. > > > > In the past I have posited that a student may approach the > professor(s) and > ask if they would read the Dragon training (it is pretty short these > days) > in to a recorder. Then the recorder could be placed close to where > the > speaker is (wear it?) and you might get better results. I never have > seen > that tried though. > > > > I would be interested in hearing what you eventually go with and how > it > works.. > > > > Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR > Assistive Technology Consultant > Employment Resources, Inc. > 4126 Lien Rd. > Madison, WI 53704 > 608-246-3444 ext.234 > fax 608-246-3445 > > _____ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On > Behalf Of pminyard@memphis.edu > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:11 AM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] voice to text recorders > > > > Where does one find a digital recorder that converts voice to text? > I've > never heard of one and would like to read the specs. The only method > I've > heard of is running the voice recording through voice recognition > software, > such as NaturallySpeaking. > > > > Phillip Minyard > Disability Services Coordinator > Student Disability Services > http://www.people.memphis.edu/~sds/ > > University of Memphis > 110 Wilder Tower > Memphis, TN 38152-3520 > Voice 678-2880 - fax 678-3070 > > > > "Right is still right even if nobody's doing it. > And wrong is still wrong even if everybody's doing it." > Texas Ranger Credo > > > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist Disability Support Services 202 Holton Hall Kansas State University Manhattan, KS 66506 Phone: 785-532-6441 FAX: 785-532-6457 Email: stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. From goodman at eri-wi.org Mon Apr 2 12:24:20 2007 From: goodman at eri-wi.org (Phillip Goodman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] voice to text recorders In-Reply-To: <1175540601.46115379cd297@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <006b01c7755c$842de5f0$6900a8c0@eriwi.local> Sorry What I meant was that the student could ask the Instructor(s) if they would be willing to read the training text into the recorder (it only takes about 5 minutes) and then make that person a user file in dragon. If during the lecture the recorder could be placed close enough to; or worn by the lecturer, the student might be able to get the lecture transposed to text from the recording. Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR Assistive Technology Consultant Employment Resources, Inc. 4126 Lien Rd. Madison, WI 53704 608-246-3444 ext.234 fax 608-246-3445 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:03 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] voice to text recorders So just to clarify - Students take digital recorders to class, take them home, and are able to run the audio file through Dragon - without any training? I've been fiddling with Dragon and recorded files, and it's my understanding that you can't convert files unless you have a user trained specifically for recorded files. Is there another piece of software that comes with the recorder that makes this work? Thanks, Stacy Quoting Phillip Goodman : > It seems to me that any solution that comes close to being useable > will > involve Dragon. No other program comes close to the accuracy though I > have > heard the built in voice recognition in the new Windows Vista is > pretty darn > good, but that doesn't seem to apply here. Even the University here > in > Madison has taken to hiring transcribers that are aided by the use of > Dragon > for the increased speed. > > > > > > I have used Dragon for about 10 years due to injuries. I have tried > using > Dragon in my office in more of a conversational way with clients who > were > deaf. I don't sign and interpreters are sometimes hard to get when > you want > them. For some reason the accuracy just wasn't as good even though I > was > trying to be careful about how I was using my voice. > > > > In the past I have posited that a student may approach the > professor(s) and > ask if they would read the Dragon training (it is pretty short these > days) > in to a recorder. Then the recorder could be placed close to where > the > speaker is (wear it?) and you might get better results. I never have > seen > that tried though. > > > > I would be interested in hearing what you eventually go with and how > it > works.. > > > > Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR > Assistive Technology Consultant > Employment Resources, Inc. > 4126 Lien Rd. > Madison, WI 53704 > 608-246-3444 ext.234 > fax 608-246-3445 > > _____ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On > Behalf Of pminyard@memphis.edu > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:11 AM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] voice to text recorders > > > > Where does one find a digital recorder that converts voice to text? > I've > never heard of one and would like to read the specs. The only method > I've > heard of is running the voice recording through voice recognition > software, > such as NaturallySpeaking. > > > > Phillip Minyard > Disability Services Coordinator > Student Disability Services > http://www.people.memphis.edu/~sds/ > > University of Memphis > 110 Wilder Tower > Memphis, TN 38152-3520 > Voice 678-2880 - fax 678-3070 > > > > "Right is still right even if nobody's doing it. > And wrong is still wrong even if everybody's doing it." > Texas Ranger Credo > > > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist Disability Support Services 202 Holton Hall Kansas State University Manhattan, KS 66506 Phone: 785-532-6441 FAX: 785-532-6457 Email: stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From dick.banks at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 12:33:41 2007 From: dick.banks at gmail.com (Dick Banks) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] voice to text recorders In-Reply-To: <006b01c7755c$842de5f0$6900a8c0@eriwi.local> References: <1175540601.46115379cd297@webmail.ksu.edu> <006b01c7755c$842de5f0$6900a8c0@eriwi.local> Message-ID: <6441e6a70704021233y62593ec1g4d3dffc428989ba9@mail.gmail.com> There are really too many if's to make this practical, don't you think? Dick On 4/2/07, Phillip Goodman wrote: > Sorry > What I meant was that the student could ask the Instructor(s) if they would > be willing to read the training text into the recorder (it only takes about > 5 minutes) and then make that person a user file in dragon. If during the > lecture the recorder could be placed close enough to; or worn by the > lecturer, the student might be able to get the lecture transposed to text > from the recording. > > Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR > Assistive Technology Consultant > Employment Resources, Inc. > 4126 Lien Rd. > Madison, WI 53704 > 608-246-3444 ext.234 > fax 608-246-3445 > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:03 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] voice to text recorders > > So just to clarify - > > Students take digital recorders to class, take them home, and are able > to run the audio file through Dragon - without any training? > > I've been fiddling with Dragon and recorded files, and it's my > understanding that you can't convert files unless you have a user > trained specifically for recorded files. > > Is there another piece of software that comes with the recorder that > makes this work? > > Thanks, > Stacy > > > Quoting Phillip Goodman : > > > It seems to me that any solution that comes close to being useable > > will > > involve Dragon. No other program comes close to the accuracy though I > > have > > heard the built in voice recognition in the new Windows Vista is > > pretty darn > > good, but that doesn't seem to apply here. Even the University here > > in > > Madison has taken to hiring transcribers that are aided by the use of > > Dragon > > for the increased speed. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have used Dragon for about 10 years due to injuries. I have tried > > using > > Dragon in my office in more of a conversational way with clients who > > were > > deaf. I don't sign and interpreters are sometimes hard to get when > > you want > > them. For some reason the accuracy just wasn't as good even though I > > was > > trying to be careful about how I was using my voice. > > > > > > > > In the past I have posited that a student may approach the > > professor(s) and > > ask if they would read the Dragon training (it is pretty short these > > days) > > in to a recorder. Then the recorder could be placed close to where > > the > > speaker is (wear it?) and you might get better results. I never have > > seen > > that tried though. > > > > > > > > I would be interested in hearing what you eventually go with and how > > it > > works.. > > > > > > > > Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR > > Assistive Technology Consultant > > Employment Resources, Inc. > > 4126 Lien Rd. > > Madison, WI 53704 > > 608-246-3444 ext.234 > > fax 608-246-3445 > > > > _____ > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > > On > > Behalf Of pminyard@memphis.edu > > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:11 AM > > To: athen@athenpro.org > > Subject: [Athen] voice to text recorders > > > > > > > > Where does one find a digital recorder that converts voice to text? > > I've > > never heard of one and would like to read the specs. The only method > > I've > > heard of is running the voice recording through voice recognition > > software, > > such as NaturallySpeaking. > > > > > > > > Phillip Minyard > > Disability Services Coordinator > > Student Disability Services > > http://www.people.memphis.edu/~sds/ > > > > University of Memphis > > 110 Wilder Tower > > Memphis, TN 38152-3520 > > Voice 678-2880 - fax 678-3070 > > > > > > > > "Right is still right even if nobody's doing it. > > And wrong is still wrong even if everybody's doing it." > > Texas Ranger Credo > > > > > > > > > > > Stacy Smith > Adaptive Technology Specialist > Disability Support Services > 202 Holton Hall > Kansas State University > Manhattan, KS 66506 > Phone: 785-532-6441 > FAX: 785-532-6457 > Email: stacylee@ksu.edu > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This information is confidential. 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Mar. 13 at 2 PM EASTERN http://easi.cc/forms/webinar.htm From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Mon Apr 2 12:55:26 2007 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] voice to text recorders In-Reply-To: <006b01c7755c$842de5f0$6900a8c0@eriwi.local> References: <006b01c7755c$842de5f0$6900a8c0@eriwi.local> Message-ID: <46115FAE.7080105@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Hi All ATHENites, The newest version (DNS 9.0) is fabulous in the reduction of training time necessary. The actual time it takes to measure voice levels and recording levels is as Phillip indicates --5-10 minutes max! It would work even if the transcription is 70-80 accurate --that's about what notetakers get when they write, replete with abbreviations and missed words, right? Try it as an experiment using a regular notetaker as a back up if possible for several weeks and see how the student likes it/how accurate it is. Blessings, Wink Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Phillip Goodman wrote: > Sorry > What I meant was that the student could ask the Instructor(s) if they would > be willing to read the training text into the recorder (it only takes about > 5 minutes) and then make that person a user file in dragon. If during the > lecture the recorder could be placed close enough to; or worn by the > lecturer, the student might be able to get the lecture transposed to text > from the recording. > > Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR > Assistive Technology Consultant > Employment Resources, Inc. > 4126 Lien Rd. > Madison, WI 53704 > 608-246-3444 ext.234 > fax 608-246-3445 > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:03 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] voice to text recorders > > So just to clarify - > > Students take digital recorders to class, take them home, and are able > to run the audio file through Dragon - without any training? > > I've been fiddling with Dragon and recorded files, and it's my > understanding that you can't convert files unless you have a user > trained specifically for recorded files. > > Is there another piece of software that comes with the recorder that > makes this work? > > Thanks, > Stacy > > > Quoting Phillip Goodman : > > >> It seems to me that any solution that comes close to being useable >> will >> involve Dragon. No other program comes close to the accuracy though I >> have >> heard the built in voice recognition in the new Windows Vista is >> pretty darn >> good, but that doesn't seem to apply here. Even the University here >> in >> Madison has taken to hiring transcribers that are aided by the use of >> Dragon >> for the increased speed. >> >> >> >> >> >> I have used Dragon for about 10 years due to injuries. I have tried >> using >> Dragon in my office in more of a conversational way with clients who >> were >> deaf. I don't sign and interpreters are sometimes hard to get when >> you want >> them. For some reason the accuracy just wasn't as good even though I >> was >> trying to be careful about how I was using my voice. >> >> >> >> In the past I have posited that a student may approach the >> professor(s) and >> ask if they would read the Dragon training (it is pretty short these >> days) >> in to a recorder. Then the recorder could be placed close to where >> the >> speaker is (wear it?) and you might get better results. I never have >> seen >> that tried though. >> >> >> >> I would be interested in hearing what you eventually go with and how >> it >> works.. >> >> >> >> Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR >> Assistive Technology Consultant >> Employment Resources, Inc. >> 4126 Lien Rd. >> Madison, WI 53704 >> 608-246-3444 ext.234 >> fax 608-246-3445 >> >> _____ >> >> From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] >> On >> Behalf Of pminyard@memphis.edu >> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:11 AM >> To: athen@athenpro.org >> Subject: [Athen] voice to text recorders >> >> >> >> Where does one find a digital recorder that converts voice to text? >> I've >> never heard of one and would like to read the specs. The only method >> I've >> heard of is running the voice recording through voice recognition >> software, >> such as NaturallySpeaking. >> >> >> >> Phillip Minyard >> Disability Services Coordinator >> Student Disability Services >> http://www.people.memphis.edu/~sds/ >> >> University of Memphis >> 110 Wilder Tower >> Memphis, TN 38152-3520 >> Voice 678-2880 - fax 678-3070 >> >> >> >> "Right is still right even if nobody's doing it. >> And wrong is still wrong even if everybody's doing it." >> Texas Ranger Credo >> >> >> >> >> > > > Stacy Smith > Adaptive Technology Specialist > Disability Support Services > 202 Holton Hall > Kansas State University > Manhattan, KS 66506 > Phone: 785-532-6441 > FAX: 785-532-6457 > Email: stacylee@ksu.edu > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient > or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you > are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and > that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action > based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If > you have received this communication in error, please notify us > immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stacylee at ksu.edu Mon Apr 2 13:50:23 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] voice to text recorders In-Reply-To: <46115FAE.7080105@mcmail.maricopa.edu> References: <006b01c7755c$842de5f0$6900a8c0@eriwi.local> <46115FAE.7080105@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: <1175547023.46116c8fde96b@webmail.ksu.edu> When I trained Dragon 9.0 for use with recorded files the script was considerably longer than a 5-10 min read - it took me more like 25-30. Am I missing something? Have you been able to train Dragon for a "live" user but import recorded text? The application for my purposes would be creating rough transcripts from lectures recorded for distance courses - something I can use as a starting place for cleaner lectures. This means I won't have a tape recorder to start with....I'll have .wav or .mp3 files. In my situation, I think I will have pretty good success in getting instructors to train users....but even more success if I can somehow do it with a 5 min script! Thanks, Stacy Quoting Wink Harner : > Hi All ATHENites, > > The newest version (DNS 9.0) is fabulous in the reduction of training > time necessary. The actual time it takes to measure voice levels and > recording levels is as Phillip indicates --5-10 minutes max! > > It would work even if the transcription is 70-80 accurate --that's > about > what notetakers get when they write, replete with abbreviations and > missed words, right? > > Try it as an experiment using a regular notetaker as a back up if > possible for several weeks and see how the student likes it/how > accurate > it is. > > Blessings, > > Wink > Ms. Wink Harner > Manager > Disability Resources & Services > Mesa Community College > > > Phillip Goodman wrote: > > Sorry > > What I meant was that the student could ask the Instructor(s) if > they would > > be willing to read the training text into the recorder (it only > takes about > > 5 minutes) and then make that person a user file in dragon. If > during the > > lecture the recorder could be placed close enough to; or worn by > the > > lecturer, the student might be able to get the lecture transposed > to text > > from the recording. > > > > Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR > > Assistive Technology Consultant > > Employment Resources, Inc. > > 4126 Lien Rd. > > Madison, WI 53704 > > 608-246-3444 ext.234 > > fax 608-246-3445 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > > Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith > > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 2:03 PM > > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] voice to text recorders > > > > So just to clarify - > > > > Students take digital recorders to class, take them home, and are > able > > to run the audio file through Dragon - without any training? > > > > I've been fiddling with Dragon and recorded files, and it's my > > understanding that you can't convert files unless you have a user > > trained specifically for recorded files. > > > > Is there another piece of software that comes with the recorder > that > > makes this work? > > > > Thanks, > > Stacy > > > > > > Quoting Phillip Goodman : > > > > > >> It seems to me that any solution that comes close to being useable > >> will > >> involve Dragon. No other program comes close to the accuracy > though I > >> have > >> heard the built in voice recognition in the new Windows Vista is > >> pretty darn > >> good, but that doesn't seem to apply here. Even the University > here > >> in > >> Madison has taken to hiring transcribers that are aided by the use > of > >> Dragon > >> for the increased speed. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I have used Dragon for about 10 years due to injuries. I have > tried > >> using > >> Dragon in my office in more of a conversational way with clients > who > >> were > >> deaf. I don't sign and interpreters are sometimes hard to get > when > >> you want > >> them. For some reason the accuracy just wasn't as good even though > I > >> was > >> trying to be careful about how I was using my voice. > >> > >> > >> > >> In the past I have posited that a student may approach the > >> professor(s) and > >> ask if they would read the Dragon training (it is pretty short > these > >> days) > >> in to a recorder. Then the recorder could be placed close to > where > >> the > >> speaker is (wear it?) and you might get better results. I never > have > >> seen > >> that tried though. > >> > >> > >> > >> I would be interested in hearing what you eventually go with and > how > >> it > >> works.. > >> > >> > >> > >> Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR > >> Assistive Technology Consultant > >> Employment Resources, Inc. > >> 4126 Lien Rd. > >> Madison, WI 53704 > >> 608-246-3444 ext.234 > >> fax 608-246-3445 > >> > >> _____ > >> > >> From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > >> On > >> Behalf Of pminyard@memphis.edu > >> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:11 AM > >> To: athen@athenpro.org > >> Subject: [Athen] voice to text recorders > >> > >> > >> > >> Where does one find a digital recorder that converts voice to > text? > >> I've > >> never heard of one and would like to read the specs. The only > method > >> I've > >> heard of is running the voice recording through voice recognition > >> software, > >> such as NaturallySpeaking. > >> > >> > >> > >> Phillip Minyard > >> Disability Services Coordinator > >> Student Disability Services > >> http://www.people.memphis.edu/~sds/ > >> > >> University of Memphis > >> 110 Wilder Tower > >> Memphis, TN 38152-3520 > >> Voice 678-2880 - fax 678-3070 > >> > >> > >> > >> "Right is still right even if nobody's doing it. > >> And wrong is still wrong even if everybody's doing it." > >> Texas Ranger Credo > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > Stacy Smith > > Adaptive Technology Specialist > > Disability Support Services > > 202 Holton Hall > > Kansas State University > > Manhattan, KS 66506 > > Phone: 785-532-6441 > > FAX: 785-532-6457 > > Email: stacylee@ksu.edu > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > This information is confidential. If you are not the intended > recipient > > or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended > recipient, you > > are hereby notified that you have received this document in error > and > > that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any > action > > based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. > If > > you have received this communication in error, please notify us > > immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba From alice.anderson at doit.wisc.edu Tue Apr 3 12:52:46 2007 From: alice.anderson at doit.wisc.edu (Alice Anderson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialist at University of Wisconsin-Madison Message-ID: <74EF3B48-1C13-43F0-A4A2-1A78ED029DD4@doit.wisc.edu> ATHEN list ... I want to share with you an Excellent opportunity in a great city - Adaptive Technology Specialist Position In achievement and prestige, the University of Wisconsin?Madison has long been recognized as one of America's great universities. A public, land-grant institution, UW?Madison offers a complete spectrum of liberal arts studies, professional programs and student activities. Spanning 933 acres along the beautiful southern shore of Lake Mendota, the campus is located in the city of Madison Alice Anderson, Director MIDWEST Alliance for Science,Technology, Engineering and Math www.stemmidwest.org and Technology Accessibility Program (TAP) Division of Information Technology (DoIT) University of Wisconsin-Madison 1210 West Dayton Street (3124) Madison, WI 53705 http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/ Telephone: 608.262.2129 From charlie.jordan at asu.edu Tue Apr 3 13:29:45 2007 From: charlie.jordan at asu.edu (Charlie Jordan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialist at University of Wisconsin-Madison In-Reply-To: <74EF3B48-1C13-43F0-A4A2-1A78ED029DD4@doit.wisc.edu> References: <74EF3B48-1C13-43F0-A4A2-1A78ED029DD4@doit.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <1A4207F8295607498283FE9E93B775B402FCA7EE@EX02.asurite.ad.asu.edu> I hope ATHEN can, as a secondary goal, have impact on administrators' perceptions about reasonable salaries and job responsibilities. With respect to UWM's advert, even a _minimum_ of $34K seems low when requiring a Masters, ability to provide desktop support, expertise in adaptive hardware/software, experience with a variety of disabilities, alt format production AND webmastering. A disturbing perception I've encountered - and that I try to counter -- is "well, it has to do with a computer, so you must be an expert in it, right?" No! Can the auto mechanic do expert upholstery? Not likely. And yet it seems that many expect AT specialists to fix the squeaks, tune the engine, clean and wax to a shine, soup up the tranny, write the owner's manual, teach the student to drive, make and pump the gas, AND argue with Motor Vehicles about bad driving laws. Granted, university budgets are often tight and we need to offer a spread of competencies; we do have to wear many hats. But, really, in a time of increasing complexity in hardware and software and the rapidly changing tools available, it is impossible to "do it all" well. But it seems that are increasingly asked to; and for that, we get 34K? Adaptive tech specialist? With much respect to the individuals at UWM who probably face tough choices, thanks, no. I'll stay with my IT role where I have to have many hats, but at least get paid (somewhat) for them. Am I being unreasonable? I don't intend to be, but I do believe that I have a responsibility in effecting change and that means speaking up sometimes. FWIW. Charlie Jordan -- ASU's West campus -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Alice Anderson Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:53 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialist at University of Wisconsin-Madison ATHEN list ... I want to share with you an Excellent opportunity in a great city - Adaptive Technology Specialist Position In achievement and prestige, the University of Wisconsin-Madison has long been recognized as one of America's great universities. A public, land-grant institution, UW-Madison offers a complete spectrum of liberal arts studies, professional programs and student activities. Spanning 933 acres along the beautiful southern shore of Lake Mendota, the campus is located in the city of Madison Alice Anderson, Director MIDWEST Alliance for Science,Technology, Engineering and Math www.stemmidwest.org and Technology Accessibility Program (TAP) Division of Information Technology (DoIT) University of Wisconsin-Madison 1210 West Dayton Street (3124) Madison, WI 53705 http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/ Telephone: 608.262.2129 From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Tue Apr 3 13:43:31 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialist at Universit y of Wisconsin-Madison Message-ID: FWIT, Charlie, I agree with you. I'm making apx. $45K for my work, and only 1/3 of my job is adaptive tech, the other 2/3 are campus technology support, which has more money I guess. I don't know, I've been here for going on seven years and I don't quite understand it. We are all woefully underpaid. Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 From jeano at uwm.edu Tue Apr 3 13:55:34 2007 From: jeano at uwm.edu (Jean Salzer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialist at University of Wisconsin-Madison In-Reply-To: <1A4207F8295607498283FE9E93B775B402FCA7EE@EX02.asurite.ad.asu.edu> References: <74EF3B48-1C13-43F0-A4A2-1A78ED029DD4@doit.wisc.edu> <1A4207F8295607498283FE9E93B775B402FCA7EE@EX02.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <4612BF46.9010601@uwm.edu> Hey I totally agree with you on the poor pay, but it's Madison, not UW-Milwaukee! We're so poor at UW-Milwaukee, we can only divvy out the AT needs between people! The fact they can afford a whole person is amazing to me (other than the poor salary). Charlie Jordan wrote: >I hope ATHEN can, as a secondary goal, have impact on administrators' >perceptions about reasonable salaries and job responsibilities. > >With respect to UWM's advert, even a _minimum_ of $34K seems low when >requiring a Masters, ability to provide desktop support, expertise in >adaptive hardware/software, experience with a variety of disabilities, >alt format production AND webmastering. > >A disturbing perception I've encountered - and that I try to counter -- >is "well, it has to do with a computer, so you must be an expert in it, >right?" No! Can the auto mechanic do expert upholstery? Not likely. >And yet it seems that many expect AT specialists to fix the squeaks, >tune the engine, clean and wax to a shine, soup up the tranny, write the >owner's manual, teach the student to drive, make and pump the gas, AND >argue with Motor Vehicles about bad driving laws. > >Granted, university budgets are often tight and we need to offer a >spread of competencies; we do have to wear many hats. But, really, in a >time of increasing complexity in hardware and software and the rapidly >changing tools available, it is impossible to "do it all" well. But it >seems that are increasingly asked to; and for that, we get 34K? > >Adaptive tech specialist? With much respect to the individuals at UWM >who probably face tough choices, thanks, no. I'll stay with my IT role >where I have to have many hats, but at least get paid (somewhat) for >them. > >Am I being unreasonable? I don't intend to be, but I do believe that I >have a responsibility in effecting change and that means speaking up >sometimes. > >FWIW. > >Charlie Jordan -- >ASU's West campus > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Alice Anderson >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:53 PM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialist at University >of Wisconsin-Madison > >ATHEN list ... I want to share with you an > >Excellent opportunity in a great city - Adaptive Technology >Specialist Position > >In achievement and prestige, the University of Wisconsin-Madison has >long been recognized as one of America's great universities. >A public, land-grant institution, UW-Madison offers a complete >spectrum of liberal arts studies, professional programs >and student activities. Spanning 933 acres along the beautiful >southern shore of Lake Mendota, the campus is located in >the city of Madison > > >Alice Anderson, Director >MIDWEST Alliance for Science,Technology, Engineering and Math >www.stemmidwest.org > >and > >Technology Accessibility Program (TAP) >Division of Information Technology (DoIT) >University of Wisconsin-Madison >1210 West Dayton Street (3124) >Madison, WI 53705 >http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/ >Telephone: 608.262.2129 > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jeano.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 284 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tft at u.washington.edu Tue Apr 3 14:33:11 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialist at University of Wisconsin-Madison In-Reply-To: <4612BF46.9010601@uwm.edu> Message-ID: <200704032133.l33LXClE006904@smtp.washington.edu> When we did the last ATHEN survey (in Summer of 2004), here's what we found regarding positions and salaries in the higher education accessibility arena: [begin quote] Most institutions (74.5 percent) staff this position within disability services, while 19.1 percent staff the position within the central computing or IT group. The remaining 6.4 percent of the institutions house this staff elsewhere, including offices of equity and diversity, and within the faculty resource center. Salaries for this position vary considerably, and are positively correlated with geographic region and whether the position is perceived to be an IT position (positions staffed within IT tend to pay higher salaries than those within disability services). Annual salaries for accessibility staff range from less than $29,000 to more than $60,000, with 14 percent earning $60,000 or more, 34 percent earning $50,000-$59,999, 23.4 percent earning $40,000-$49,999, 12.8 percent earning $30,000-$39,999, and 14.9 percent earning less than $29,000. More than half of the individuals in technology accessibility positions hold doctoral or master's degrees. The highest academic degree attained for 50 percent of the individuals in these positions is a master's degree, while 29.2 percent hold a bachelor's degree and 4.2 percent hold a doctoral degree. Individuals in these positions are experienced, with 34.5 percent providing technology accessibility services in a higher educational environment for more than 10 years. Almost 31 percent (30.9 percent) have been doing so for 6-10 years, 20 percent have been doing so for 3-5 years, and only 14.5 percent have been doing so for 2 years or less. [end quote] The full survey report was published in the EDUCAUSE Center for Applied Research (ECAR) Research Bulletin, and is available (in PDF) here: http://www.educause.edu/LibraryDetailPage/666?ID=ERB0512 A team of ATHEN members is currently working on developing the questions for another ATHEN survey (or more accurately, a series of short surveys), and we'll be sure to collect even more information regarding salaries and responsibilities. We hope to be able to report in more detail about how salaries break down across various demographics such as geographic region, public vs. private, institution's Carnegie classification, etc. Please stay tuned! Terry Terry Thompson DO-IT, University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 http://www.washington.edu/doit > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Jean Salzer > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 1:56 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialist > at University of Wisconsin-Madison > > Hey I totally agree with you on the poor pay, but it's > Madison, not UW-Milwaukee! We're so poor at UW-Milwaukee, we > can only divvy out the AT needs between people! The fact they > can afford a whole person is amazing to me (other than the > poor salary). > > Charlie Jordan wrote: > > >I hope ATHEN can, as a secondary goal, have impact on administrators' > >perceptions about reasonable salaries and job responsibilities. > > > >With respect to UWM's advert, even a _minimum_ of $34K seems > low when > >requiring a Masters, ability to provide desktop support, > expertise in > >adaptive hardware/software, experience with a variety of > disabilities, > >alt format production AND webmastering. > > > >A disturbing perception I've encountered - and that I try to > counter -- > >is "well, it has to do with a computer, so you must be an > expert in it, > >right?" No! Can the auto mechanic do expert upholstery? > Not likely. > >And yet it seems that many expect AT specialists to fix the squeaks, > >tune the engine, clean and wax to a shine, soup up the tranny, write > >the owner's manual, teach the student to drive, make and > pump the gas, > >AND argue with Motor Vehicles about bad driving laws. > > > >Granted, university budgets are often tight and we need to offer a > >spread of competencies; we do have to wear many hats. But, > really, in > >a time of increasing complexity in hardware and software and the > >rapidly changing tools available, it is impossible to "do it > all" well. > >But it seems that are increasingly asked to; and for that, > we get 34K? > > > >Adaptive tech specialist? With much respect to the > individuals at UWM > >who probably face tough choices, thanks, no. I'll stay with > my IT role > >where I have to have many hats, but at least get paid (somewhat) for > >them. > > > >Am I being unreasonable? I don't intend to be, but I do > believe that I > >have a responsibility in effecting change and that means speaking up > >sometimes. > > > >FWIW. > > > >Charlie Jordan -- > >ASU's West campus > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > >Behalf Of Alice Anderson > >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:53 PM > >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > >Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialist at > University > >of Wisconsin-Madison > > > >ATHEN list ... I want to share with you an > > > >Excellent opportunity in a great city - Adaptive Technology > Specialist > >Position > > > >In achievement and prestige, the University of Wisconsin-Madison has > >long been recognized as one of America's great universities. > >A public, land-grant institution, UW-Madison offers a > complete spectrum > >of liberal arts studies, professional programs and student > activities. > >Spanning 933 acres along the beautiful southern shore of > Lake Mendota, > >the campus is located in the city of Madison > > > > > > > >Alice Anderson, Director > >MIDWEST Alliance for Science,Technology, Engineering and Math > >www.stemmidwest.org > > > >and > > > >Technology Accessibility Program (TAP) > >Division of Information Technology (DoIT) University of > >Wisconsin-Madison 1210 West Dayton Street (3124) Madison, WI 53705 > >http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/ > >Telephone: 608.262.2129 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Athen mailing list > >Athen@athenpro.org > >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > From djbrky at bu.edu Wed Apr 4 04:05:19 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] [Access Technologists Higher Education Network] Moving Van (running for a cure) Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C71160208D067@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> From: D. Berkowitz [mailto:bostondann@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 9:30 PM To: Berkowitz, Daniel J Subject: [Access Technologists Higher Education Network] Moving Van (running for a cure) The general purpose of the ATHEN blog is to share bits and pieces and viewpoints and such on the wide world of access technology and those who build it, support it, and use it. Well, today I am stretching it a bit for a good cause. My friend (and former employee + student) Van Credle is running the Boston Marathon this year as a member of the Marathon Strides Against Multiple Sclerosis team. She has started a blog to detail her encounters with training, pasta, the occasional errant driver and heartbreak hill! Many who read this blog either know (or know of) Van as the marketing voice of Dolphin Computer Access in the USA or back when she worked for the Boston University Office of Disability Services as an E-Text production specialist. So check out what one of us techies is up to outside of the work-a-day world. And while you are at it, go ahead and donate a few dollars (or pounds) to a worthy cause on behalf of someone who never stops running for us (or is that from us?) -- Posted By D. Berkowitz to Access Technologists Higher Education Network at 4/03/2007 09:30:00 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Wed Apr 4 05:46:29 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialist at Universit y of Wisconsin-Madison Message-ID: >When we did the last ATHEN survey (in Summer of 2004), here's >what we found regarding positions and salaries in the higher >education accessibility >arena: Wow, Terry, what great information!! I hope the next survey includes demographics including sex and location, I would be interested in knowing this information! Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 From rbeach at kckcc.edu Wed Apr 4 06:38:53 2007 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialist at Universit y of Wisconsin-Madison Message-ID: Susan, I've been here more than 13 years and not making near your salary. All of my job is AT and alt format related, but there's a lot of it. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> SKelmer@stlcc.edu 4/3/2007 3:43 PM >>> FWIT, Charlie, I agree with you. I'm making apx. $45K for my work, and only 1/3 of my job is adaptive tech, the other 2/3 are campus technology support, which has more money I guess. I don't know, I've been here for going on seven years and I don't quite understand it. We are all woefully underpaid. Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by KCKCC's MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Wed Apr 4 06:54:57 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialist at Universit y of Wisconsin-Madison Message-ID: >Susan, > >I've been here more than 13 years and not making near your >salary. All of my job is AT and alt format related, but >there's a lot of it. I think the difference for me is that I work for the IT department. There is an "uneasy peace" between my boss (IT Director who assigns most of my work and signs my evals) and the disability services office director (who directs some of my work and to whom I'm responsible for meeting AT needs). They both would like to have me full time under them, but the job just can't work out that way. And I'm happy to be in the IT department, it gives me access to resources I wouldn't have in the other office, as well as giving me an incredible amount of control and freedom in how things get done (like how AT is installed/deployed). My job is broken into three parts: 1. Adaptive Tech - includes everything AT related plus alt format production (I get to hire some part-time temp people to help in production during heavy times) 2. Running of a high-traffic student computer lab in the library (I have a staff of student workers as well) 3. Lab/Classroom coordination activities (I'm one of four people with this designation). I work with faculty and staff on computer classroom upgrades/changes each semester, forecasting of needs, production of budget information for technology-related stuff, creating of images for deployment to classrooms and/or labs. I have 800 campus computers I'm personally responsible for seeing that they have their patches, upgrades, are replaced on our warranty cycle, etc. I am not the tech who does the work, but I'm the one that does all the planning, ordering, configuring, discussions with faculty/staff on their needs, etc., for these 800 machines. Which part takes the most effort and time from my schedule? Believe it or not, #1!! I know that I would not get paid what I get paid except that I work for IT. I'm worth way more than what I'm getting paid, but there are a lot of perks in working for a college (not the least of which is that my kids get to go to school for free and I have a 17 year old ready to start his fall), and a ton of perks in working for IT (fabulous equipment and toys and software). And I was earning considerably less when I first took this job seven years ago, but a reclassification by HR after taking a good hard look at what I actually do as part of my job fixed that and I got a considerable increase. But that took two years of negotiations/wrangling to occur. Now I can afford to buy the beef hot dogs instead of the mystery meat ones. LOL Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 From jhumbert at purdue.edu Wed Apr 4 07:49:49 2007 From: jhumbert at purdue.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] iTunes U Accessiblity Initiative Message-ID: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901256423@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> Hi All! I was the one who volunteered to lead the charge on the iTunes U Accessibility Initiative. So I am ready to get the ball rolling, but first we need to decide on a few items. 1. I need 5-7 volunteers to be on the committee 2. The committee members need to decide on the Scope of the project 3. The committee needs to define a timeline for the project 4. The committee needs to decide if we want to aim for a competition date to present at ATIA, CSUN or other conferences. I want to get this project under way ASAP. Dan how should we collaborate with CSU on this project? I read the documents and they seem to be a great starting point. Thankx. Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Purdue University - ITaP - TLT Office: STEW 111 Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu Phone: 765-494-4387 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stacylee at ksu.edu Wed Apr 4 12:58:07 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialist at Universit y of Wisconsin-Madison In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1175716687.4614034fd4b3b@webmail.ksu.edu> Here's a question I'd love to have your input on: My title is Adaptive Technology Specialist. However, I don't seem to do what most people with that title do. My primary role is to ensure that students enrolled in online courses are accommodated, which may require getting transcripts, providing alternate formats, etc. I also work on the back end of courses, with faculty, staff, and administrators, trying to get them to produce content that is friendly to students with disabilities and assistive software and devices. Therefore, I work with the production of accessible course content, not the interpretation or access to course content. Rarely do I work with a student on trying to find technology to access courses. Most of our students come already understanding what they need and how to use it, or they work through their VR counsellors. So what the heck would you call me? BTW, my salary is at the lower end of the mid-range, based on what Terry published, and it's only that high because they had a terrible time filling the position. I'm based in DSS and am considered "tecchie" by them but not really a tech person (sort of a hybrid, really). Thoughts? Thanks, Stacy Quoting Robert Beach : > Susan, > > I've been here more than 13 years and not making near your salary. > All of my job is AT and alt format related, but there's a lot of it. > > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > Phone: (913) 288-7671 > Fax: (913) 288-7678 > E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > >>> SKelmer@stlcc.edu 4/3/2007 3:43 PM >>> > FWIT, Charlie, I agree with you. > > I'm making apx. $45K for my work, and only 1/3 of my job is adaptive > tech, > the other 2/3 are campus technology support, which has more money I > guess. > I don't know, I've been here for going on seven years and I don't > quite > understand it. We are all woefully underpaid. > > Susan Kelmer > Coordinator > Information ACCESS Lab > St. Louis Community College at Meramec > 314/984-7951 > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by KCKCC's MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist Disability Support Services 202 Holton Hall Kansas State University Manhattan, KS 66506 Phone: 785-532-6441 FAX: 785-532-6457 Email: stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. From pricek at uic.edu Wed Apr 4 13:30:10 2007 From: pricek at uic.edu (Kevin Price) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialist at Universityof Wisconsin-Madison In-Reply-To: <1175716687.4614034fd4b3b@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <200704042029.l34KTPkb008520@mail-2.priv.cc.uic.edu> Stacy, I think your title more closely aligns with the job title of "Alternative Media Specialist" but I believe many Adaptive Technology Specialists take on the roles you described. Seems many different universities interpret the role of the "Adaptive for Assistive Technology Specialist" differently. I am very active on my campus in promoting accessible information technology/web accessibility. It is hard to separate the roles because they are so intertwined. Kevin Kevin Price MSW, ATP Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Resource Center (MC 321) University of Illinois at Chicago Suite 1190, Student Services Building 1200 West Harrison Street Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 Email: pricek@uic.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:58 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialistat Universit y of Wisconsin-Madison Here's a question I'd love to have your input on: My title is Adaptive Technology Specialist. However, I don't seem to do what most people with that title do. My primary role is to ensure that students enrolled in online courses are accommodated, which may require getting transcripts, providing alternate formats, etc. I also work on the back end of courses, with faculty, staff, and administrators, trying to get them to produce content that is friendly to students with disabilities and assistive software and devices. Therefore, I work with the production of accessible course content, not the interpretation or access to course content. Rarely do I work with a student on trying to find technology to access courses. Most of our students come already understanding what they need and how to use it, or they work through their VR counsellors. So what the heck would you call me? BTW, my salary is at the lower end of the mid-range, based on what Terry published, and it's only that high because they had a terrible time filling the position. I'm based in DSS and am considered "tecchie" by them but not really a tech person (sort of a hybrid, really). Thoughts? Thanks, Stacy Quoting Robert Beach : > Susan, > > I've been here more than 13 years and not making near your salary. > All of my job is AT and alt format related, but there's a lot of it. > > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > Phone: (913) 288-7671 > Fax: (913) 288-7678 > E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > >>> SKelmer@stlcc.edu 4/3/2007 3:43 PM >>> > FWIT, Charlie, I agree with you. > > I'm making apx. $45K for my work, and only 1/3 of my job is adaptive > tech, > the other 2/3 are campus technology support, which has more money I > guess. > I don't know, I've been here for going on seven years and I don't > quite > understand it. We are all woefully underpaid. > > Susan Kelmer > Coordinator > Information ACCESS Lab > St. Louis Community College at Meramec > 314/984-7951 > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by KCKCC's MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist Disability Support Services 202 Holton Hall Kansas State University Manhattan, KS 66506 Phone: 785-532-6441 FAX: 785-532-6457 Email: stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From pricek at uic.edu Wed Apr 4 14:03:55 2007 From: pricek at uic.edu (Kevin Price) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialist atUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison In-Reply-To: <200704042029.l34KTPkb008520@mail-2.priv.cc.uic.edu> Message-ID: <200704042103.l34L3Akb014442@mail-2.priv.cc.uic.edu> Stacy, Let me try that again with additions. I am sorry for the repeat email. I think your responsibilities more closely align with the job title of "Alternative Media Specialist". I believe many Adaptive Technology Specialists take on the responsibilities you described. Universities interpret the role of the "Adaptive or Assistive Technology Specialist" differently. I am very active on my campus in promoting accessible information technology/web accessibility. It is hard to separate the roles because they are so intertwined. Many students with disabilities are coming into the university setting already with the necessary AT. They just need added support for their current AT and help in making the instructional content accessible. With more Universal Design integrated into available technology, I think the job responsibilities of the AT Specialist are changing to what your job responsibilities are now. Kevin Kevin Price MSW, ATP Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Resource Center (MC 321) University of Illinois at Chicago Suite 1190, Student Services Building 1200 West Harrison Street Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 Email: pricek@uic.edu -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialistat Universit y of Wisconsin-Madison Here's a question I'd love to have your input on: My title is Adaptive Technology Specialist. However, I don't seem to do what most people with that title do. My primary role is to ensure that students enrolled in online courses are accommodated, which may require getting transcripts, providing alternate formats, etc. I also work on the back end of courses, with faculty, staff, and administrators, trying to get them to produce content that is friendly to students with disabilities and assistive software and devices. Therefore, I work with the production of accessible course content, not the interpretation or access to course content. Rarely do I work with a student on trying to find technology to access courses. Most of our students come already understanding what they need and how to use it, or they work through their VR counsellors. So what the heck would you call me? BTW, my salary is at the lower end of the mid-range, based on what Terry published, and it's only that high because they had a terrible time filling the position. I'm based in DSS and am considered "tecchie" by them but not really a tech person (sort of a hybrid, really). Thoughts? Thanks, Stacy From stacylee at ksu.edu Wed Apr 4 14:14:55 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialist atUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison In-Reply-To: <200704042103.l34L3Akb014442@mail-2.priv.cc.uic.edu> References: <200704042103.l34L3Akb014442@mail-2.priv.cc.uic.edu> Message-ID: <1175721295.4614154f7dcca@webmail.ksu.edu> Kevin - Thanks so much for the response. Since I took this job (new to the field), I've felt a bit like a polka-dotted fish swimming in a bowl of striped fish. It's nice to have your perspective. Stacy Quoting Kevin Price : > > Stacy, > Let me try that again with additions. I am sorry for the repeat > email. > > I think your responsibilities more closely align with the job title > of > "Alternative Media Specialist". I believe many Adaptive Technology > Specialists take on the responsibilities you described. > Universities > interpret the role of the "Adaptive or Assistive Technology > Specialist" > differently. I am very active on my campus in promoting accessible > information technology/web accessibility. It is hard to separate the > roles > because they are so intertwined. Many students with disabilities are > coming > into the university setting already with the necessary AT. They just > need > added support for their current AT and help in making the > instructional > content accessible. With more Universal Design integrated into > available > technology, I think the job responsibilities of the AT Specialist are > changing to what your job responsibilities are now. > Kevin > > Kevin Price MSW, ATP > Assistive Technology Specialist > Disability Resource Center (MC 321) > University of Illinois at Chicago > Suite 1190, Student Services Building > 1200 West Harrison Street > Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 > (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 > Email: pricek@uic.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialistat > Universit y > of Wisconsin-Madison > > Here's a question I'd love to have your input on: > > My title is Adaptive Technology Specialist. However, I don't seem to > do > what most people with that title do. > > My primary role is to ensure that students enrolled in online courses > are accommodated, which may require getting transcripts, providing > alternate formats, etc. I also work on the back end of courses, with > faculty, staff, and administrators, trying to get them to produce > content that is friendly to students with disabilities and assistive > software and devices. Therefore, I work with the production of > accessible course content, not the interpretation or access to course > content. > > Rarely do I work with a student on trying to find technology to > access > courses. Most of our students come already understanding what they > need and how to use it, or they work through their VR counsellors. > > So what the heck would you call me? > > BTW, my salary is at the lower end of the mid-range, based on what > Terry > published, and it's only that high because they had a terrible time > filling the position. I'm based in DSS and am considered "tecchie" > by > them but not really a tech person (sort of a hybrid, really). > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > Stacy > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba From ea at emptech.info Thu Apr 5 00:36:03 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology SpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison In-Reply-To: <1175721295.4614154f7dcca@webmail.ksu.edu> References: <200704042103.l34L3Akb014442@mail-2.priv.cc.uic.edu> <1175721295.4614154f7dcca@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <002101c77755$111dce40$15c4fea9@laptop> What a lovely analogy - I can visualise it so clearly - although I hate to admit feeling more like a Ralphie (bull) in a china shop at times! However, according to Wikipedia "Female bison are used because they are smaller and less aggressive, as well as for insurance reasons..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralphie I have been fascinated by the various job descriptions coming through from both sides of the Atlantic. If we are trying to encourage evidence based practices, show cost benefits whilst gaining better salaries with clear career pathways we have a long way to go! The fact that we all seem to do so many different tasks makes it easier for the various departments to maintain woolly pay and career structures, with staff being unable to make clear comparisons with their colleagues in the field, to gain increases and better positions. Lets hope the survey can show how much this is affecting us all and act as a lever to improve things...ever hopeful! :>)) Have a lovely Easter break - sun may come out here in southern England - even more hopeful :>)) Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:15 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology SpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison Kevin - Thanks so much for the response. Since I took this job (new to the field), I've felt a bit like a polka-dotted fish swimming in a bowl of striped fish. It's nice to have your perspective. Stacy Quoting Kevin Price : > > Stacy, > Let me try that again with additions. I am sorry for the repeat > email. > > I think your responsibilities more closely align with the job title of > "Alternative Media Specialist". I believe many Adaptive Technology > Specialists take on the responsibilities you described. > Universities > interpret the role of the "Adaptive or Assistive Technology > Specialist" > differently. I am very active on my campus in promoting accessible > information technology/web accessibility. It is hard to separate the > roles because they are so intertwined. Many students with > disabilities are coming into the university setting already with the > necessary AT. They just need added support for their current AT and > help in making the instructional content accessible. With more > Universal Design integrated into available technology, I think the job > responsibilities of the AT Specialist are changing to what your job > responsibilities are now. > Kevin > > Kevin Price MSW, ATP > Assistive Technology Specialist > Disability Resource Center (MC 321) > University of Illinois at Chicago > Suite 1190, Student Services Building > 1200 West Harrison Street > Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 > (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 > Email: pricek@uic.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialistat > Universit y of Wisconsin-Madison > > Here's a question I'd love to have your input on: > > My title is Adaptive Technology Specialist. However, I don't seem to > do what most people with that title do. > > My primary role is to ensure that students enrolled in online courses > are accommodated, which may require getting transcripts, providing > alternate formats, etc. I also work on the back end of courses, with > faculty, staff, and administrators, trying to get them to produce > content that is friendly to students with disabilities and assistive > software and devices. Therefore, I work with the production of > accessible course content, not the interpretation or access to course > content. > > Rarely do I work with a student on trying to find technology to access > courses. Most of our students come already understanding what they > need and how to use it, or they work through their VR counsellors. > > So what the heck would you call me? > > BTW, my salary is at the lower end of the mid-range, based on what > Terry published, and it's only that high because they had a terrible > time filling the position. I'm based in DSS and am considered > "tecchie" > by > them but not really a tech person (sort of a hybrid, really). > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > Stacy > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/745 - Release Date: 03/04/2007 12:48 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/745 - Release Date: 03/04/2007 12:48 From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Apr 5 04:55:59 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive TechnologySpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison References: <200704042103.l34L3Akb014442@mail-2.priv.cc.uic.edu><1175721295.4614154f7dcca@webmail.ksu.edu> <002101c77755$111dce40$15c4fea9@laptop> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E590@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> That does it --- we may as well stop hemming around the subject and officially adopt Ralphie as the ATHEN mascot. Or at least put this on the agenda for the AHG business meeting. I feel everyone's pain as my title is Assistant Director and both technically and logistically the work I do under the ATHEN umbrella is only (supposed to be) about 25% of my responsibilities. I was hired in part because of my background and experience with technology but assumed (and the time and foolishly) that after seven years there would be a full-time Coordinator position of some sort under me. We have recently undertaken the task of rewriting (and in many cases recreating) our job descriptions after the new President called down to HR and discovered that most administrative position descriptions were either woefully out of date or non-existent. It was an eye-opener to me and my boss as to what it is I am actually expected to do in my job. Thank G*d for my student employees and their skill sets. I'd be drowning without them! Which is a nice segue into reminding folks ATHEN does have a "student" membership category: http://www.athenpro.org/member ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of E.A. Draffan Sent: Thu 4/5/2007 3:36 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive TechnologySpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison What a lovely analogy - I can visualise it so clearly - although I hate to admit feeling more like a Ralphie (bull) in a china shop at times! However, according to Wikipedia "Female bison are used because they are smaller and less aggressive, as well as for insurance reasons..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralphie I have been fascinated by the various job descriptions coming through from both sides of the Atlantic. If we are trying to encourage evidence based practices, show cost benefits whilst gaining better salaries with clear career pathways we have a long way to go! The fact that we all seem to do so many different tasks makes it easier for the various departments to maintain woolly pay and career structures, with staff being unable to make clear comparisons with their colleagues in the field, to gain increases and better positions. Lets hope the survey can show how much this is affecting us all and act as a lever to improve things...ever hopeful! :>)) Have a lovely Easter break - sun may come out here in southern England - even more hopeful :>)) Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:15 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology SpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison Kevin - Thanks so much for the response. Since I took this job (new to the field), I've felt a bit like a polka-dotted fish swimming in a bowl of striped fish. It's nice to have your perspective. Stacy Quoting Kevin Price : > > Stacy, > Let me try that again with additions. I am sorry for the repeat > email. > > I think your responsibilities more closely align with the job title of > "Alternative Media Specialist". I believe many Adaptive Technology > Specialists take on the responsibilities you described. > Universities > interpret the role of the "Adaptive or Assistive Technology > Specialist" > differently. I am very active on my campus in promoting accessible > information technology/web accessibility. It is hard to separate the > roles because they are so intertwined. Many students with > disabilities are coming into the university setting already with the > necessary AT. They just need added support for their current AT and > help in making the instructional content accessible. With more > Universal Design integrated into available technology, I think the job > responsibilities of the AT Specialist are changing to what your job > responsibilities are now. > Kevin > > Kevin Price MSW, ATP > Assistive Technology Specialist > Disability Resource Center (MC 321) > University of Illinois at Chicago > Suite 1190, Student Services Building > 1200 West Harrison Street > Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 > (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 > Email: pricek@uic.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialistat > Universit y of Wisconsin-Madison > > Here's a question I'd love to have your input on: > > My title is Adaptive Technology Specialist. However, I don't seem to > do what most people with that title do. > > My primary role is to ensure that students enrolled in online courses > are accommodated, which may require getting transcripts, providing > alternate formats, etc. I also work on the back end of courses, with > faculty, staff, and administrators, trying to get them to produce > content that is friendly to students with disabilities and assistive > software and devices. Therefore, I work with the production of > accessible course content, not the interpretation or access to course > content. > > Rarely do I work with a student on trying to find technology to access > courses. Most of our students come already understanding what they > need and how to use it, or they work through their VR counsellors. > > So what the heck would you call me? > > BTW, my salary is at the lower end of the mid-range, based on what > Terry published, and it's only that high because they had a terrible > time filling the position. I'm based in DSS and am considered > "tecchie" > by > them but not really a tech person (sort of a hybrid, really). > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > Stacy > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/745 - Release Date: 03/04/2007 12:48 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/745 - Release Date: 03/04/2007 12:48 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From alice.anderson at doit.wisc.edu Thu Apr 5 09:10:45 2007 From: alice.anderson at doit.wisc.edu (Alice Anderson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialist at University of Wisconsin-Madison Message-ID: ATHEN list ... I want to share with you an Excellent opportunity in a great city - Adaptive Technology Specialist Position In achievement and prestige, the University of Wisconsin?Madison has long been recognized as one of America's great universities. A public, land-grant institution, UW?Madison offers a complete spectrum of liberal arts studies, professional programs and student activities. Spanning 933 acres along the beautiful southern shore of Lake Mendota, the campus is located in the city of Madison Alice Anderson, Director MIDWEST Alliance for Science,Technology, Engineering and Math www.stemmidwest.org and Technology Accessibility Program (TAP) Division of Information Technology (DoIT) University of Wisconsin-Madison 1210 West Dayton Street (3124) Madison, WI 53705 http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/ Telephone: 608.262.2129 From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Thu Apr 5 15:29:28 2007 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services Message-ID: <000a01c777d1$dfc490e0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Two questions - I've heard there is a speech recognition program (similar to Nat Speak) for the MAC. Does anyone know the name and how well it works? Is it part of the MAC operating system? Second question - Laurie Harrison mentioned a service that will caption or create transcripts. You can e-mail digital audio or multimedia files to them and they can process them within hours, according to Laurie. I thought it was called accuscribe but I could be wrong on that. ( I looked it up on the Web and I found a court transcribing service). If anyone either has Laurie's contact info or knows which service she is talking about, it would be much appreciated. Thanks, Howard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cathk at cahs.colostate.edu Thu Apr 5 15:40:49 2007 From: cathk at cahs.colostate.edu (Kilcommons,Cath) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services In-Reply-To: <000a01c777d1$dfc490e0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> References: <000a01c777d1$dfc490e0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: Hi Howard, iListen is the software for MAC. Have not had a chance to play with it. Runs about $100. What I've heard is that it is decent (but does not come close to Dragon). http://www.automaticsync.com/ is one of the services I have seen mentioned... Best, Cath ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:29 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services Two questions - I've heard there is a speech recognition program (similar to Nat Speak) for the MAC. Does anyone know the name and how well it works? Is it part of the MAC operating system? Second question - Laurie Harrison mentioned a service that will caption or create transcripts. You can e-mail digital audio or multimedia files to them and they can process them within hours, according to Laurie. I thought it was called accuscribe but I could be wrong on that. ( I looked it up on the Web and I found a court transcribing service). If anyone either has Laurie's contact info or knows which service she is talking about, it would be much appreciated. Thanks, Howard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tft at u.washington.edu Thu Apr 5 15:45:37 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services In-Reply-To: <000a01c777d1$dfc490e0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <200704052245.l35MjcJ9028452@smtp.washington.edu> I think the service Laurie was probably referring to was CaptionSync, by a company called AutomaticSync: http://www.automaticsync.com/ They're not able to create transcripts (at least not automatically), but if you have a transcript, you can upload that along with the multimedia file and they'll automatically time sync the transcript to the video, and send you caption files as an email attachment. This process actually takes only minutes, not hours - it's pretty impressive, and pretty accurate from my experience. They're using speech recognition to identify *when* something is being said, as long as they already know *what* is being said. Unfortunately speech recognition isn't yet accurate enough to reliably determine *what* is being said, so I'm reasonably sure there is no automatic transcription service yet. Terry Terry Thompson Technology Specialist, DO-IT University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 http://www.washington.edu/doit _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 3:29 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services Two questions - I've heard there is a speech recognition program (similar to Nat Speak) for the MAC. Does anyone know the name and how well it works? Is it part of the MAC operating system? Second question - Laurie Harrison mentioned a service that will caption or create transcripts. You can e-mail digital audio or multimedia files to them and they can process them within hours, according to Laurie. I thought it was called accuscribe but I could be wrong on that. ( I looked it up on the Web and I found a court transcribing service). If anyone either has Laurie's contact info or knows which service she is talking about, it would be much appreciated. Thanks, Howard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edward at ngtvoice.com Thu Apr 5 15:46:27 2007 From: edward at ngtvoice.com (Ed. Rosenthal) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services In-Reply-To: <000a01c777d1$dfc490e0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <018001c777d4$40d261d0$b47ba8c0@eros> There is some speech recognition built into the Apple operating system, but it is not generally well received in the marketplace. There are two companies that make speech recognition for the Apple operating system: MacSpeech (out of California) IBM's ViaVoice (through Nuance Communications) Generally, neither is of the same caliber or functionality as Dragon NaturallySpeaking but both have a substantial number of users. There are several services that I am aware of that can do captioning on an as needed basis. Are you thinking of something that uses video relay or something different? Edward S. Rosenthal, ATACP Graduate President and CEO Next Generation Technologies Inc. 20006 Cedar Valley Rd. #101 Lynnwood, WA 98036-6334 Ph: 425-744-1100 ext. 15 Fx: 425-778-5547 Em: edward@ngtvoice.com URL: www.ngtvoice.com This document may have been generated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking Medical version 9.1 and/or handwriting recognition on a Motion LE1600 Tablet PC... please disregard remaining misrecognitions or unusual formatting. _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 3:29 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services Two questions - I've heard there is a speech recognition program (similar to Nat Speak) for the MAC. Does anyone know the name and how well it works? Is it part of the MAC operating system? Second question - Laurie Harrison mentioned a service that will caption or create transcripts. You can e-mail digital audio or multimedia files to them and they can process them within hours, according to Laurie. I thought it was called accuscribe but I could be wrong on that. ( I looked it up on the Web and I found a court transcribing service). If anyone either has Laurie's contact info or knows which service she is talking about, it would be much appreciated. Thanks, Howard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu Thu Apr 5 17:42:42 2007 From: saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu (Saroj Primlani) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1403.24.136.240.97.1175820162.squirrel@webmail.ncsu.edu> Automaticsync.com also offer a transcription service for which they take three days and the cost runs around $1.50 an audio minute or $90 for an hour. Saroj Send Athen mailing list submissions to > athen@athenpro.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-request@athenpro.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-owner@athenpro.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services (Howard Kramer) > 2. Re: Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services > (Kilcommons,Cath) > 3. Re: Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services > (Terry Thompson) > 4. Re: Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services > (Ed. Rosenthal) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:29:28 -0600 > From: Howard Kramer > Subject: [Athen] Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services > To: > Message-ID: <000a01c777d1$dfc490e0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Two questions - I've heard there is a speech recognition program (similar > to > Nat Speak) for the MAC. Does anyone know the name and how well it works? > Is > it part of the MAC operating system? > > > > Second question - Laurie Harrison mentioned a service that will caption or > create transcripts. You can e-mail digital audio or multimedia files to > them > and they can process them within hours, according to Laurie. I thought it > was called accuscribe but I could be wrong on that. ( I looked it up on > the > Web and I found a court transcribing service). If anyone either has > Laurie's > contact info or knows which service she is talking about, it would be much > appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Howard > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > /pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20070405/af3d48cb/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:40:49 -0600 > From: "Kilcommons,Cath" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services > To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Howard, > > iListen is the software for MAC. Have not had a chance to play with it. > Runs about $100. What I've heard is that it is decent (but does not > come close to Dragon). > > http://www.automaticsync.com/ is one of the services I have seen > mentioned... > > Best, > Cath > > ________________________________ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Howard Kramer > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:29 PM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services > > > > Two questions - I've heard there is a speech recognition program > (similar to Nat Speak) for the MAC. Does anyone know the name and how > well it works? Is it part of the MAC operating system? > > > > Second question - Laurie Harrison mentioned a service that will caption > or create transcripts. You can e-mail digital audio or multimedia files > to them and they can process them within hours, according to Laurie. I > thought it was called accuscribe but I could be wrong on that. ( I > looked it up on the Web and I found a court transcribing service). If > anyone either has Laurie's contact info or knows which service she is > talking about, it would be much appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Howard > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > /pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20070405/06e455cc/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:45:37 -0700 > From: "Terry Thompson" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services > To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > Message-ID: <200704052245.l35MjcJ9028452@smtp.washington.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I think the service Laurie was probably referring to was CaptionSync, by a > company called AutomaticSync: > http://www.automaticsync.com/ > > They're not able to create transcripts (at least not automatically), but > if > you have a transcript, you can upload that along with the multimedia file > and they'll automatically time sync the transcript to the video, and send > you caption files as an email attachment. This process actually takes only > minutes, not hours - it's pretty impressive, and pretty accurate from my > experience. They're using speech recognition to identify *when* something > is > being said, as long as they already know *what* is being said. > Unfortunately > speech recognition isn't yet accurate enough to reliably determine *what* > is > being said, so I'm reasonably sure there is no automatic transcription > service yet. > > Terry > > Terry Thompson > Technology Specialist, DO-IT > University of Washington > tft@u.washington.edu > 206/221-4168 > http://www.washington.edu/doit > > > _____ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Howard Kramer > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 3:29 PM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services > > > > Two questions - I've heard there is a speech recognition program (similar > to > Nat Speak) for the MAC. Does anyone know the name and how well it works? > Is > it part of the MAC operating system? > > > > Second question - Laurie Harrison mentioned a service that will caption or > create transcripts. You can e-mail digital audio or multimedia files to > them > and they can process them within hours, according to Laurie. I thought it > was called accuscribe but I could be wrong on that. ( I looked it up on > the > Web and I found a court transcribing service). If anyone either has > Laurie's > contact info or knows which service she is talking about, it would be much > appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Howard > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > /pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20070405/2d630ef3/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:46:27 -0700 > From: "Ed. Rosenthal" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services > To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > Message-ID: <018001c777d4$40d261d0$b47ba8c0@eros> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > There is some speech recognition built into the Apple operating system, > but > it is not generally well received in the marketplace. There are two > companies that make speech recognition for the Apple operating system: > MacSpeech (out of California) > IBM's ViaVoice (through Nuance Communications) > > Generally, neither is of the same caliber or functionality as Dragon > NaturallySpeaking but both have a substantial number of users. > > There are several services that I am aware of that can do captioning on an > as needed basis. Are you thinking of something that uses video relay or > something different? > > Edward S. Rosenthal, ATACP Graduate > President and CEO > Next Generation Technologies Inc. > 20006 Cedar Valley Rd. #101 > Lynnwood, WA 98036-6334 > Ph: 425-744-1100 ext. 15 > Fx: 425-778-5547 > Em: edward@ngtvoice.com > URL: www.ngtvoice.com > > This document may have been generated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking > Medical > version 9.1 and/or handwriting recognition on a Motion LE1600 Tablet PC... > please disregard remaining misrecognitions or unusual formatting. > > > > _____ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Howard Kramer > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 3:29 PM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] Speech Rec for Mac & Scribing/Captioning services > > > > Two questions - I've heard there is a speech recognition program (similar > to > Nat Speak) for the MAC. Does anyone know the name and how well it works? > Is > it part of the MAC operating system? > > > > Second question - Laurie Harrison mentioned a service that will caption or > create transcripts. You can e-mail digital audio or multimedia files to > them > and they can process them within hours, according to Laurie. I thought it > was called accuscribe but I could be wrong on that. ( I looked it up on > the > Web and I found a court transcribing service). If anyone either has > Laurie's > contact info or knows which service she is talking about, it would be much > appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Howard > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > /pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20070405/651336fc/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > End of Athen Digest, Vol 15, Issue 11 > ************************************* > From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Fri Apr 6 08:28:15 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position: Adaptive TechnologySpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E590@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <200704042103.l34L3Akb014442@mail-2.priv.cc.uic.edu><1175721295.4614154f7dcca@webmail.ksu.edu> <002101c77755$111dce40$15c4fea9@laptop> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E590@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <004a01c77860$332e3bd0$998ab370$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Ralphie gets my vote, but I think he may be trademarked. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:56 AM To: ea@emptech.info; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive TechnologySpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison That does it --- we may as well stop hemming around the subject and officially adopt Ralphie as the ATHEN mascot. Or at least put this on the agenda for the AHG business meeting. I feel everyone's pain as my title is Assistant Director and both technically and logistically the work I do under the ATHEN umbrella is only (supposed to be) about 25% of my responsibilities. I was hired in part because of my background and experience with technology but assumed (and the time and foolishly) that after seven years there would be a full-time Coordinator position of some sort under me. We have recently undertaken the task of rewriting (and in many cases recreating) our job descriptions after the new President called down to HR and discovered that most administrative position descriptions were either woefully out of date or non-existent. It was an eye-opener to me and my boss as to what it is I am actually expected to do in my job. Thank G*d for my student employees and their skill sets. I'd be drowning without them! Which is a nice segue into reminding folks ATHEN does have a "student" membership category: http://www.athenpro.org/member ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of E.A. Draffan Sent: Thu 4/5/2007 3:36 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive TechnologySpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison What a lovely analogy - I can visualise it so clearly - although I hate to admit feeling more like a Ralphie (bull) in a china shop at times! However, according to Wikipedia "Female bison are used because they are smaller and less aggressive, as well as for insurance reasons..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralphie I have been fascinated by the various job descriptions coming through from both sides of the Atlantic. If we are trying to encourage evidence based practices, show cost benefits whilst gaining better salaries with clear career pathways we have a long way to go! The fact that we all seem to do so many different tasks makes it easier for the various departments to maintain woolly pay and career structures, with staff being unable to make clear comparisons with their colleagues in the field, to gain increases and better positions. Lets hope the survey can show how much this is affecting us all and act as a lever to improve things...ever hopeful! :>)) Have a lovely Easter break - sun may come out here in southern England - even more hopeful :>)) Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:15 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology SpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison Kevin - Thanks so much for the response. Since I took this job (new to the field), I've felt a bit like a polka-dotted fish swimming in a bowl of striped fish. It's nice to have your perspective. Stacy Quoting Kevin Price : > > Stacy, > Let me try that again with additions. I am sorry for the repeat > email. > > I think your responsibilities more closely align with the job title of > "Alternative Media Specialist". I believe many Adaptive Technology > Specialists take on the responsibilities you described. > Universities > interpret the role of the "Adaptive or Assistive Technology > Specialist" > differently. I am very active on my campus in promoting accessible > information technology/web accessibility. It is hard to separate the > roles because they are so intertwined. Many students with > disabilities are coming into the university setting already with the > necessary AT. They just need added support for their current AT and > help in making the instructional content accessible. With more > Universal Design integrated into available technology, I think the job > responsibilities of the AT Specialist are changing to what your job > responsibilities are now. > Kevin > > Kevin Price MSW, ATP > Assistive Technology Specialist > Disability Resource Center (MC 321) > University of Illinois at Chicago > Suite 1190, Student Services Building > 1200 West Harrison Street > Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 > (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 > Email: pricek@uic.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialistat > Universit y of Wisconsin-Madison > > Here's a question I'd love to have your input on: > > My title is Adaptive Technology Specialist. However, I don't seem to > do what most people with that title do. > > My primary role is to ensure that students enrolled in online courses > are accommodated, which may require getting transcripts, providing > alternate formats, etc. I also work on the back end of courses, with > faculty, staff, and administrators, trying to get them to produce > content that is friendly to students with disabilities and assistive > software and devices. Therefore, I work with the production of > accessible course content, not the interpretation or access to course > content. > > Rarely do I work with a student on trying to find technology to access > courses. Most of our students come already understanding what they > need and how to use it, or they work through their VR counsellors. > > So what the heck would you call me? > > BTW, my salary is at the lower end of the mid-range, based on what > Terry published, and it's only that high because they had a terrible > time filling the position. I'm based in DSS and am considered > "tecchie" > by > them but not really a tech person (sort of a hybrid, really). > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > Stacy > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/745 - Release Date: 03/04/2007 12:48 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/745 - Release Date: 03/04/2007 12:48 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Fri Apr 6 10:27:07 2007 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] thank you for Speech Rec & transcribing info Message-ID: <000901c77870$ccdaf380$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Thank you to everyone who replied on the Mac Speech-Rec & transcribing/captioning question. You folks are like the Oracle at Delphi. -Howard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Fri Apr 6 10:31:51 2007 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position:Adaptive TechnologySpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison In-Reply-To: <004a01c77860$332e3bd0$998ab370$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <200704042103.l34L3Akb014442@mail-2.priv.cc.uic.edu><1175721295.4614154f7dcca@webmail.ksu.edu> <002101c77755$111dce40$15c4fea9@laptop><7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E590@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <004a01c77860$332e3bd0$998ab370$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <000e01c77871$76808440$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Maybe the CU Buffs will loan us their real live Ralphie. We can run him around the Millennium Hotel. -Howard -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:28 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Position:Adaptive TechnologySpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison Ralphie gets my vote, but I think he may be trademarked. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:56 AM To: ea@emptech.info; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive TechnologySpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison That does it --- we may as well stop hemming around the subject and officially adopt Ralphie as the ATHEN mascot. Or at least put this on the agenda for the AHG business meeting. I feel everyone's pain as my title is Assistant Director and both technically and logistically the work I do under the ATHEN umbrella is only (supposed to be) about 25% of my responsibilities. I was hired in part because of my background and experience with technology but assumed (and the time and foolishly) that after seven years there would be a full-time Coordinator position of some sort under me. We have recently undertaken the task of rewriting (and in many cases recreating) our job descriptions after the new President called down to HR and discovered that most administrative position descriptions were either woefully out of date or non-existent. It was an eye-opener to me and my boss as to what it is I am actually expected to do in my job. Thank G*d for my student employees and their skill sets. I'd be drowning without them! Which is a nice segue into reminding folks ATHEN does have a "student" membership category: http://www.athenpro.org/member ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of E.A. Draffan Sent: Thu 4/5/2007 3:36 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive TechnologySpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison What a lovely analogy - I can visualise it so clearly - although I hate to admit feeling more like a Ralphie (bull) in a china shop at times! However, according to Wikipedia "Female bison are used because they are smaller and less aggressive, as well as for insurance reasons..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralphie I have been fascinated by the various job descriptions coming through from both sides of the Atlantic. If we are trying to encourage evidence based practices, show cost benefits whilst gaining better salaries with clear career pathways we have a long way to go! The fact that we all seem to do so many different tasks makes it easier for the various departments to maintain woolly pay and career structures, with staff being unable to make clear comparisons with their colleagues in the field, to gain increases and better positions. Lets hope the survey can show how much this is affecting us all and act as a lever to improve things...ever hopeful! :>)) Have a lovely Easter break - sun may come out here in southern England - even more hopeful :>)) Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:15 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology SpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison Kevin - Thanks so much for the response. Since I took this job (new to the field), I've felt a bit like a polka-dotted fish swimming in a bowl of striped fish. It's nice to have your perspective. Stacy Quoting Kevin Price : > > Stacy, > Let me try that again with additions. I am sorry for the repeat > email. > > I think your responsibilities more closely align with the job title of > "Alternative Media Specialist". I believe many Adaptive Technology > Specialists take on the responsibilities you described. > Universities > interpret the role of the "Adaptive or Assistive Technology > Specialist" > differently. I am very active on my campus in promoting accessible > information technology/web accessibility. It is hard to separate the > roles because they are so intertwined. Many students with > disabilities are coming into the university setting already with the > necessary AT. They just need added support for their current AT and > help in making the instructional content accessible. With more > Universal Design integrated into available technology, I think the job > responsibilities of the AT Specialist are changing to what your job > responsibilities are now. > Kevin > > Kevin Price MSW, ATP > Assistive Technology Specialist > Disability Resource Center (MC 321) > University of Illinois at Chicago > Suite 1190, Student Services Building > 1200 West Harrison Street > Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 > (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 > Email: pricek@uic.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialistat > Universit y of Wisconsin-Madison > > Here's a question I'd love to have your input on: > > My title is Adaptive Technology Specialist. However, I don't seem to > do what most people with that title do. > > My primary role is to ensure that students enrolled in online courses > are accommodated, which may require getting transcripts, providing > alternate formats, etc. I also work on the back end of courses, with > faculty, staff, and administrators, trying to get them to produce > content that is friendly to students with disabilities and assistive > software and devices. Therefore, I work with the production of > accessible course content, not the interpretation or access to course > content. > > Rarely do I work with a student on trying to find technology to access > courses. Most of our students come already understanding what they > need and how to use it, or they work through their VR counsellors. > > So what the heck would you call me? > > BTW, my salary is at the lower end of the mid-range, based on what > Terry published, and it's only that high because they had a terrible > time filling the position. I'm based in DSS and am considered > "tecchie" > by > them but not really a tech person (sort of a hybrid, really). > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > Stacy > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/745 - Release Date: 03/04/2007 12:48 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/745 - Release Date: 03/04/2007 12:48 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Fri Apr 6 11:48:23 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: ATIA survey of CSUN Conference - submit by April 12 Message-ID: <009801c7787c$2b3c5300$81b4f900$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> We have been asked to give feedback on the CSUN conference this year, here is one opportunity to do so. I have also been asked if ATHEN would submit a position statement on CSUN. Please contact me directly if you are interested in being involved in this process. Ron Stewart From: ATIA [mailto:ATIA@smithbucklin.com] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:26 PM To: ATIA Subject: ATIA survey of CSUN Conference - submit by April 12 Dear Members As part of our action items following the CSUN conference we agreed to conduct a follow up survey/evaluation of the CSUN conference from an exhibitor perspective. The link below is a brief survey for you to complete. This does not have to be exclusive to members, so please pass it along to other companies/partners who may not be members of ATIA. http://www.atia.org/csunsurvey.html Please take some time to complete this survey by Thursday, April 12. The results will be compiled and the Board will share them with CSUN management. Please be as candid as possible. Our goal is to advocate on your behalf to ensure that your interests are at least heard by the CSUN management. We will report back to members on any progress we make along the way. If you have any questions or would prefer an alternate version of this survey please contact me directly. Thank you David David Dikter Executive Director Assistive Technology Industry Association 413 Washington St. #3 Brookline, MA 02446 617.524.0035 office 617.830.0999 fax 617.821.3946 mobile www.atia.org ATIA - Providing technologies to enhance learning, working and independence for people with disabilities. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Fri Apr 6 11:48:23 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position:Adaptive TechnologySpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison In-Reply-To: <000e01c77871$76808440$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> References: <200704042103.l34L3Akb014442@mail-2.priv.cc.uic.edu><1175721295.4614154f7dcca@webmail.ksu.edu> <002101c77755$111dce40$15c4fea9@laptop><7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E590@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <004a01c77860$332e3bd0$998ab370$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <000e01c77871$76808440$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <00a001c7787c$342f6e70$9c8e4b50$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Only if he signs a release first, you know those crazy techies Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 1:32 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Position:Adaptive TechnologySpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison Maybe the CU Buffs will loan us their real live Ralphie. We can run him around the Millennium Hotel. -Howard -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:28 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Position:Adaptive TechnologySpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison Ralphie gets my vote, but I think he may be trademarked. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:56 AM To: ea@emptech.info; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive TechnologySpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison That does it --- we may as well stop hemming around the subject and officially adopt Ralphie as the ATHEN mascot. Or at least put this on the agenda for the AHG business meeting. I feel everyone's pain as my title is Assistant Director and both technically and logistically the work I do under the ATHEN umbrella is only (supposed to be) about 25% of my responsibilities. I was hired in part because of my background and experience with technology but assumed (and the time and foolishly) that after seven years there would be a full-time Coordinator position of some sort under me. We have recently undertaken the task of rewriting (and in many cases recreating) our job descriptions after the new President called down to HR and discovered that most administrative position descriptions were either woefully out of date or non-existent. It was an eye-opener to me and my boss as to what it is I am actually expected to do in my job. Thank G*d for my student employees and their skill sets. I'd be drowning without them! Which is a nice segue into reminding folks ATHEN does have a "student" membership category: http://www.athenpro.org/member ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of E.A. Draffan Sent: Thu 4/5/2007 3:36 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive TechnologySpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison What a lovely analogy - I can visualise it so clearly - although I hate to admit feeling more like a Ralphie (bull) in a china shop at times! However, according to Wikipedia "Female bison are used because they are smaller and less aggressive, as well as for insurance reasons..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralphie I have been fascinated by the various job descriptions coming through from both sides of the Atlantic. If we are trying to encourage evidence based practices, show cost benefits whilst gaining better salaries with clear career pathways we have a long way to go! The fact that we all seem to do so many different tasks makes it easier for the various departments to maintain woolly pay and career structures, with staff being unable to make clear comparisons with their colleagues in the field, to gain increases and better positions. Lets hope the survey can show how much this is affecting us all and act as a lever to improve things...ever hopeful! :>)) Have a lovely Easter break - sun may come out here in southern England - even more hopeful :>)) Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:15 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology SpecialistatUniversityof Wisconsin-Madison Kevin - Thanks so much for the response. Since I took this job (new to the field), I've felt a bit like a polka-dotted fish swimming in a bowl of striped fish. It's nice to have your perspective. Stacy Quoting Kevin Price : > > Stacy, > Let me try that again with additions. I am sorry for the repeat > email. > > I think your responsibilities more closely align with the job title of > "Alternative Media Specialist". I believe many Adaptive Technology > Specialists take on the responsibilities you described. > Universities > interpret the role of the "Adaptive or Assistive Technology > Specialist" > differently. I am very active on my campus in promoting accessible > information technology/web accessibility. It is hard to separate the > roles because they are so intertwined. Many students with > disabilities are coming into the university setting already with the > necessary AT. They just need added support for their current AT and > help in making the instructional content accessible. With more > Universal Design integrated into available technology, I think the job > responsibilities of the AT Specialist are changing to what your job > responsibilities are now. > Kevin > > Kevin Price MSW, ATP > Assistive Technology Specialist > Disability Resource Center (MC 321) > University of Illinois at Chicago > Suite 1190, Student Services Building > 1200 West Harrison Street > Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 > (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 > Email: pricek@uic.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [Athen] Position: Adaptive Technology Specialistat > Universit y of Wisconsin-Madison > > Here's a question I'd love to have your input on: > > My title is Adaptive Technology Specialist. However, I don't seem to > do what most people with that title do. > > My primary role is to ensure that students enrolled in online courses > are accommodated, which may require getting transcripts, providing > alternate formats, etc. I also work on the back end of courses, with > faculty, staff, and administrators, trying to get them to produce > content that is friendly to students with disabilities and assistive > software and devices. Therefore, I work with the production of > accessible course content, not the interpretation or access to course > content. > > Rarely do I work with a student on trying to find technology to access > courses. Most of our students come already understanding what they > need and how to use it, or they work through their VR counsellors. > > So what the heck would you call me? > > BTW, my salary is at the lower end of the mid-range, based on what > Terry published, and it's only that high because they had a terrible > time filling the position. I'm based in DSS and am considered > "tecchie" > by > them but not really a tech person (sort of a hybrid, really). > > Thoughts? > > Thanks, > Stacy > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/745 - Release Date: 03/04/2007 12:48 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/745 - Release Date: 03/04/2007 12:48 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From lisa_fiedor at ncsu.edu Fri Apr 6 12:25:52 2007 From: lisa_fiedor at ncsu.edu (Lisa Fiedor) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] iTunes U Accessiblity Initiative In-Reply-To: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901256423@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> References: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901256423@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> Message-ID: <46169EC0.60104@ncsu.edu> Hi Joe, I would like to volunteer if you are still looking for folks to work on this. Thanks, Lisa Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > Hi All! > > > > I was the one who volunteered to lead the charge on the iTunes U > Accessibility Initiative. So I am ready to get the ball rolling, but > first we need to decide on a few items. > > > > 1. I need 5-7 volunteers to be on the committee > 2. The committee members need to decide on the Scope of the project > 3. The committee needs to define a timeline for the project > 4. The committee needs to decide if we want to aim for a competition > date to present at ATIA, CSUN or other conferences. > > > > I want to get this project under way ASAP. > > > > Dan how should we collaborate with CSU on this project? I read the > documents and they seem to be a great starting point. Thankx. > > Joe Humbert > Assistive Technology Specialist > Purdue University - ITaP - TLT > Office: STEW 111 > Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu > Phone: 765-494-4387 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- -- -- -- Lisa Marie Fiedor Web Accessibility, Usability, & Design Specialist DELTA/Instructional Services/Faculty Support Services Campus Box 7111, NC State University, Raleigh NC 27695-7111 2133 DH Hill Library, East Wing v 919-513-4616 f 919-513-4003 lisa_fiedor@ncsu.edu From greg at lecshare.com Fri Apr 6 14:28:33 2007 From: greg at lecshare.com (Greg Kraus) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] iTunes U Accessiblity Initiative In-Reply-To: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901256423@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> References: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901256423@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> Message-ID: <05b988e7f3886156984c41061d7d4565@lecshare.com> I'm not sure how much direct contact you've had with Apple regarding iTunes accessibility, but a good point of contact would be to email accessibility@apple.com. That goes directly to the people at Apple who deal with accessibility issues across all of their products. Hope this helps, Greg -- Greg Kraus President LecShare, Inc. Cary, NC 919.300.7512 (voice) 919.882.1275 (fax) http://www.lecshare.com On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > > Hi All! > ? > I was the one who volunteered to lead the charge on the iTunes U > Accessibility Initiative. So I am ready to get the ball rolling, but > first we need to decide on a few items. > ? > 1 I need 5-7 volunteers to be on the committee > 2 The committee members need to decide on the Scope of the project > 3 The committee needs to define a timeline for the project > 4 The committee needs to decide if we want to aim for a competition > date to present at ATIA, CSUN or other conferences. > ? > I want to get this project under way ASAP. > ? > Dan how should we collaborate with CSU on this project?? I read the > documents and they seem to be a great starting point.? Thankx. > > Joe Humbert > Assistive Technology Specialist > Purdue University - ITaP - TLT > Office: STEW 111 > Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu > Phone: 765-494-4387 > ? > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Fri Apr 6 14:39:51 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] iTunes U Accessibility Initiative In-Reply-To: <05b988e7f3886156984c41061d7d4565@lecshare.com> References: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901256423@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> <05b988e7f3886156984c41061d7d4565@lecshare.com> Message-ID: <013801c77894$24bc1f70$6e345e50$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Thanks Greg, The contact has been much deeper than that, hence the need for this project. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Greg Kraus Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 5:29 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] iTunes U Accessiblity Initiative I'm not sure how much direct contact you've had with Apple regarding iTunes accessibility, but a good point of contact would be to email accessibility@apple.com. That goes directly to the people at Apple who deal with accessibility issues across all of their products. Hope this helps, Greg -- Greg Kraus President LecShare, Inc. Cary, NC 919.300.7512 (voice) 919.882.1275 (fax) http://www.lecshare.com On Apr 4, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > > Hi All! > ? > I was the one who volunteered to lead the charge on the iTunes U > Accessibility Initiative. So I am ready to get the ball rolling, but > first we need to decide on a few items. > ? > 1 I need 5-7 volunteers to be on the committee > 2 The committee members need to decide on the Scope of the project > 3 The committee needs to define a timeline for the project > 4 The committee needs to decide if we want to aim for a competition > date to present at ATIA, CSUN or other conferences. > ? > I want to get this project under way ASAP. > ? > Dan how should we collaborate with CSU on this project?? I read the > documents and they seem to be a great starting point.? Thankx. > > Joe Humbert > Assistive Technology Specialist > Purdue University - ITaP - TLT > Office: STEW 111 > Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu > Phone: 765-494-4387 > ? > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Sun Apr 8 06:48:48 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Blind man seeking citizenship wins suit Message-ID: <017c01c779e4$a7055f40$f5101dc0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Cudoes to Zuhair! Ron -----Original Message----- From: blindnews-bounces@blindprogramming.com [mailto:blindnews-bounces@blindprogramming.com] On Behalf Of BlindNews Mailing List Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 11:55 PM To: BlindNews@blindprogramming.com Subject: Blind man seeking citizenship wins suit Rocky Mountain News, Colorado USA Friday, March 30, 2007 Blind man seeking citizenship wins suit By Lou Kilzer March 30, 2007 Jordanian says officials taking too long on bid Caption: Zuhair Mahd, 33, shown at his Denver apartment, acted as his own lawyer and named Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff and FBI Director Robert Mueller as defendants.STORY TOOLS A blind Jordanian with an American green card has convinced a Denver federal judge that authorities have waited too long to approve or reject his bid for U.S. citizenship. Zuhair Mahd, a 33-year-old computer expert and industrious blogger, took his case to federal court last May, saying that U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services took longer than the allotted time to process his application. He was not shy. In his suit, in which he acted as his own lawyer, Mahd named Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff and FBI Director Robert Mueller as defendants. While many armchair lawyers get their cases quickly kicked out of court, Mahd triumphed. On March 21, U.S. District Judge Walker Miller said Mahd had proved his case. Miller ordered the FBI to complete a background investigation within 45 days, after which immigration authorities will have up to 45 more days to make up their minds. The judge's ruling applies only to those citizenship seekers who have been interviewed by Citizenship and Immigration Services. Federal regulations require a decision be made within 120 days after such an interview, the judge said. Miller said the government must now act on Mahd's request. But he did not order the USCIS to approve Mahd for citizenship. To prevent the 120-day clock from starting, the USCIS has recently stopped interviewing applicants until the FBI completes its background work, said Maria Elena Garcia-Upson, an agency spokeswoman. How many applicants could be affected by Miller's ruling isn't clear. But about 30 similar suits were under way in the Colorado district at the beginning of the year, according to the U.S. Attorney's office. The government has not decided if it will appeal Judge Miller's ruling, said Jeff Dorschner, Denver U.S. Attorney spokesman. The FBI does background checks on millions of names each year, or about 67,000 a week, FBI spokesman Paul Bresson said. But the process can become complicated when dealing with names with multiple spellings or that come from different alphabets, he said. Mahd, also known as Mah'd, lives an apparently open life. He posts his life's story on a Web page, along with his thoughts on politics, religion, poetry and writing. It is clear that he has reservations about the current occupant of the White House, but he says that most Americans aren't too fond of George Bush, either. However, most of the writings reflect a man coming to terms with life and the country he has adopted. He says he was born blind in Amman, Jordan. His parents were shattered after learning that he had no sight, but Mahd didn't let it stop him. He says he learned early not to appear weak. In 1990, at the age of 17, he came to the U.S. He was poor, eating on a weekly budget of $20. But he attended college and eventually moved to Colorado, working for IBM and other companies. He now has his own consulting company. "It's pretty exciting," Mahd said of Judge Miller's decision. He said he hopes it will help other Muslims like himself. "Since 9-11, we've had the finger pointed at us," he said. "You lose your innocence." With the ruling, he said, he hopes he has won some of that back. kilzerl@RockyMountainNews.com or 303-954-2644 http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5452423,0 0.html -- BlindNews mailing list To contact a list moderator about a problem or to make a request, send a message to BlindNews-Owner@BlindProgramming.com The BlindNews list is archived at: http://GeoffAndWen.com/blind/ To address a message to all members of the list, send mail to: BlindNews@blindprogramming.com Access your subscription info at: http://blindprogramming.com/mailman/listinfo/blindnews_blindprogramming.com To unsubscribe via e-mail: send a message to BlindNews-Request@BlindProgramming.com with the word unsubscribe in either the subject or body of the message From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Sun Apr 8 06:48:48 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Structured accessible HTML from PDF Message-ID: <017d01c779e4$a740e1a0$f5c2a4e0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> More on the RiverDocs pdf - html solution that was discussed a while back. Ron -----Original Message----- From: blindnews-bounces@blindprogramming.com [mailto:blindnews-bounces@blindprogramming.com] On Behalf Of BlindNews Mailing List Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:57 AM To: BlindNews@blindprogramming.com Subject: Structured accessible HTML from PDF IT-Director.com (UK) Thursday, March 29, 2007 Structured accessible HTML from PDF By Peter Abrahams Peter Abrahams, Practice Leader, Accessibility and Usability, Bloor Research Published: 29th March 2007 There are hundreds of millions of PDF files on the web. The two main reasons for this popularity are: The document always looks the same irrespective of the type of printer, browser or device. This is important aesthetically but may also have legal implications. The document is secure; it cannot be altered. Unfortunately PDF files on the web can be problematic for people with disabilities, especially users of screen-readers because: Free screen readers, such as Thunder, do not support PDF documents because the complexity of the file format has made it too expensive to develop the support. Commercially available screen readers, such as JAWS, that do support PDF, are too expensive for a large number of people who use computers infrequently or access the web via a PC in a library or Internet cafi. Adobe have defined an extension to the PDF format to provide more information to screen-readers such as alternative text for images and heading levels to aid navigation around the document. Most existing PDF files have not been created as accessible PDF, and the task of converting existing documents is complex and not always achievable. Creating new documents as accessible PDF is perfectly possible and straightforward but requires the use of specific tools and the understanding and cooperation of the document originators. So it is inevitable that many new documents will be produced that are not accessible. PDF documents are an ideal format for downloading off the web and printing out, but because of all the above reasons there is a need to provide these documents in an alternative format. The obvious alternative is for the document to be available in HTML that is designed for use by users who are blind or have a vision-impairment. The user is not interested in the document looking identical to the original but needs a document that can be read efficiently using a screen reader; to do this the document must: Be linearised, that is any text in multiple columns or around pictures, in the original, must be presented in the correct order. Have alternative text for any images. Mark up tables so that information can be accurately and quickly found in them. Include document structure information such as headings, so that the user can navigate quickly around and find the relevant information. There are a number of pdf-to-html converters available but I believe that the recently announced RiverDocs Converter is the first aimed specifically at the creation of structured, accessible html documents that are optimized for screen-reader usage. The converter will take any PDF document and analyse it to recognise multi-column pages, headings, tables, images and other formatting and convert it all into XHTML. Correctly recognising text that wraps around a picture, or the cells in a table requires sophisticated artificial intelligence algorithms. Having completed the conversion it checks the output for accessibility issues that could not be fixed automatically. The most obvious issue is the lack of descriptions of images using the alt tag. The user interface to the product allows the user to see the list of issues and at the same time see the relevant sections of the original PDF file, the generated XHTML and a preview of the document on a browser. Clicking on an issue will position the preview to the context of the issue and then the user can fix the problem. The final output will be a well-structured and annotated document that will give a blind user an excellent experience whilst reading the document. The UK Disability Equality Duty, that I discussed in a recent blog, has put significant pressure on public authorities and their suppliers to ensure all the content of their web sites is accessible. Providing structured, accessible XHTML versions of all the PDF files is considered to be the only way to comply with the Duty. The volume and size of the files that need to be converted has meant that the authorities have outsourced this task to specialist web agencies. RiverDocs Converter automates most of the conversion process and means that an agency using it will provide a very competitive bid. RiverDocs Converter should appeal to any organisation that has a large number of existing documents that need to be made accessible, or that publishes new documents that are not created to be accessible and will need conversion. LINK: http://www.riverdocs.com http://www.it-director.com/business/compliance/content.php?cid=9384 -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00323.txt URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Sun Apr 8 08:20:16 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATIA Strand Leaders Message-ID: <019701c779f1$70e16f50$52a44df0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Happy Easter Holiday! I would like to thank Howard Kramer and Dan Comden for volunteering to be the strand leaders for the ATIA 2008 conference. 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Ron From norm at easi.cc Tue Apr 10 08:20:06 2007 From: norm at easi.cc (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Saroj Primlani EASI Podcast: Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20070410081516.021f8b60@easi.cc> Hi: I wanted to let all of you know that one of your buddies Saroj Primlani is this week'sPodcast by EASI. It is part of the Podcast feed: "It's About People Not Technology". You can either listen online or subscribe at: http://easi.cc/podcasts/ ---------------------------------------- Webinar Series on Accessible Powerpoint starting April 19 http://easi.cc/clinic.htm May Courses: Barrier-free Information Technology (4-week online course starting May 7) http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content (4-week online course starting May 7) http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs, Ph.D. CEO EASI (http://easi.cc) 22196 Caminito Tasquillo Laguna Hills CA 92653 (949) 855-4852 (Pacific time zone) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability From terrih at asu.edu Tue Apr 10 10:55:10 2007 From: terrih at asu.edu (Terri Hedgpeth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: [Mobile Speak Pocket] Fw: Coming up on Main Menu for the week ofApril 11th, 2007 Message-ID: <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC04D066E2@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Hi all, I thought that some of you might be interested in tonight's Main Menu program on ACB Radio. Announcement from Jeff Bishop follows: ________________________________ From: Jeff Bishop [mailto:Jeff@jeffbishop.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:15 AM To: 'Earle Harrison' Subject: Coming up on Main Menu for the week of April 11th, 2007 This week on Main Menu and Main Menu Live we bring on Earle Harrison from Handy Tech North America. During the first hour we present: * Earle brings us a Mobile Speak Smart Phone Demo from Code Factories product line. * Earle then talks with us about new advances with Handy Tech Braille displays and Handy Tech North America's role as Exclusive Master distributor for Handy Tech Products in the U.S. and Canada. Then in the next hour we open up the phone lines for you to call in and ask any questions you may have concerning all of the products that Handy Tech sells. One of the things we want to explore is the difference between Symbian and Smart Phone technology. Why would you want one over the other? What phones and versions of Smart Phone technology are supported? We explore this, your calls and much more this week on Main Menu Live. We will also hear from Access Watch all about Nod32. The number to call into the show is 866-400-5333. You can also email your questions to mainmenu@acbradio.org. You can also interact with the show via MSN Messenger. The MSN Messenger ID to add is: mainmenu@acbradio.org Would you like to subscribe to podcasts feeds for Main Menu and Main Menu Live? The RSS feeds to add to your podcatching application are: Main Menu http://www.acbradio.org/podcasts/mainmenu Main Menu Live http://www.acbradio.org/podcasts/mainmenulive Main Menu and Main Menu Live can be heard on Tuesday evening at 9:00 Eastern, 6:00 Pacific, and at 1 universal on Wednesday morning on the ACB Radio Main Stream channel. To listen to the show, just click this link: http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=vi ew_page&PAGE_id=8&MMN_position=14:14 Best regards, Earle Harrison President Handy Tech North America Voice: 651.636.5184 Fax: 866.347.8249 E-mail: earle@handytech.us Web site: http://www.handytech.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT6903213.txt URL: From djbrky at bu.edu Tue Apr 10 10:53:57 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Red Sox Opening Day! Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711602275374@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> The Warthogs of the Vermont Air National Guard (Green Mountain Boys) just flew over! Red Sox Baseball has begun! http://www.boston.com/ ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability From djbrky at bu.edu Tue Apr 10 11:45:51 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Top Tech-Savvy Community Coll... Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C71160227546F@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> http://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/article/1990/top-tech-savvy-community-c olleges-named The Chronicle of Higher Education Wired Campus Blog has posted a list of the "Top Tech-Savvy Community Colleges" in the United States. The category of "Small colleges - less than 3,000 students" caught my eye: 1st: Patrick Henry Community College, Martinsville, Va. (tie) 1st: Tompkins Cortland Community College , Dryden, N.Y. (tie) 2nd: Central Wyoming College, Riverton, Wyo. Why - might you ask is this so interestign to this blog? Well, it just so happens that long-time ATHEN and AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group member Khaki Wunderlich is the Associate Dean of Learning Supportand Organizational Development and the Access Tech Goddess for the campus . Now I'm not saying that Khaki is the reason TC3 made this list -- but she certainly deserves kudos! -- Posted By D. Berkowitz to Access Technologists Higher Education Network at 4/10/2007 02:42:00 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at htctu.net Tue Apr 10 16:04:54 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Structured accessible HTML from PDF In-Reply-To: <017d01c779e4$a740e1a0$f5c2a4e0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <017d01c779e4$a740e1a0$f5c2a4e0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <00a701c77bc4$a833ec10$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> > The RiverDocs converter will take any PDF document and analyse it to recognise > multi-column pages, headings, tables, images and other formatting and convert > it all into XHTML. Correctly recognising text that wraps around a picture, > or the cells in a table requires sophisticated artificial intelligence algorithms. Has anyone actually used the RiverDocs Converter and what have you thought of it? The press release and the information on their website a bit lacking as to exactly how they really are different from the other tools that currently exists (you can edit a PDF for accessibility in Acrobat and export from PDF to HTML). I found their price estimate of creating accessible PDF versions with other tools in excess of 50 pounds per page somewhat high. The website URL is: http://www.riverdocs.com I am planning to get my hands on a demo copy, I just have not had a chance to look into the tool much. Thanks, Sean From Michael.Nusen at ppcc.edu Tue Apr 10 17:03:59 2007 From: Michael.Nusen at ppcc.edu (Nusen, Michael) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Structured accessible HTML from PDF In-Reply-To: <00a701c77bc4$a833ec10$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <0B6DCE7FD0CAC8499F3F32584186A32504C3849A@ppcca1.ppcc.ccofc.edu> We downloaded the demo & only looked at it a little bit & it's difficult to eval the OCR capability of the demo because of all the "x"s that are put in by the demo version. We were not happy with the order it chose for columns of text: i.e. it would place the text from the columns into inline text but out of order - might require quite a bit of editing. For making PDF to HTML docs for non-visually impaired students we have been mostly happy with testing we've been doing using ABBYY FineReader 8.0 Pro to convert the docs & then using the Opera browser with it's downloadable voice component to do the text-to-speech. The trickiest part has been going back into docs to rezone text imbedded in graphics that didn't get OCR'd/extracted - the rezoned text sometimes has a tendency to unzone itself back to a graphic - though this is a problem we've had in OmniPage Pro 14 & 15 Pro as well... Thanks, Michael -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:05 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Structured accessible HTML from PDF > The RiverDocs converter will take any PDF document and analyse it to recognise > multi-column pages, headings, tables, images and other formatting and convert > it all into XHTML. Correctly recognising text that wraps around a > picture, > or the cells in a table requires sophisticated artificial intelligence algorithms. Has anyone actually used the RiverDocs Converter and what have you thought of it? The press release and the information on their website a bit lacking as to exactly how they really are different from the other tools that currently exists (you can edit a PDF for accessibility in Acrobat and export from PDF to HTML). I found their price estimate of creating accessible PDF versions with other tools in excess of 50 pounds per page somewhat high. The website URL is: http://www.riverdocs.com I am planning to get my hands on a demo copy, I just have not had a chance to look into the tool much. Thanks, Sean _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ea at emptech.info Wed Apr 11 02:27:45 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Structured accessible HTML from PDF In-Reply-To: <00a701c77bc4$a833ec10$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <017d01c779e4$a740e1a0$f5c2a4e0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <00a701c77bc4$a833ec10$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <001d01c77c1b$aa4eca40$0a01a8c0@laptop> I have experimented a little bit - the interface is easy to use and the output is seen alongside the original. I have used it for PDF to Word and found that it was saved in a RiverDocs format and it was easier for me to copy and paste the contents into Word. Tables if accessible were linearalised in a rather odd way as has been said If the entire PDF is a picture then obviously there is no conversion - it just puts the picture into the conversion area and you can re-size it etc! I had one PDF form with the labels to the left and lines for writing on beside the labels - the conversion put all the labels in a list and collected all the lines after the list. It was in fact easier just to copy and paste the contents of that PDF into Word to make necessary changes! Google and Opera can make better versions at times for free :>)) However, there is a useful 'issues' button that flags up why things may not have converted well. Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:05 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Structured accessible HTML from PDF > The RiverDocs converter will take any PDF document and analyse it to recognise > multi-column pages, headings, tables, images and other formatting and convert > it all into XHTML. Correctly recognising text that wraps around a > picture, > or the cells in a table requires sophisticated artificial intelligence algorithms. Has anyone actually used the RiverDocs Converter and what have you thought of it? The press release and the information on their website a bit lacking as to exactly how they really are different from the other tools that currently exists (you can edit a PDF for accessibility in Acrobat and export from PDF to HTML). I found their price estimate of creating accessible PDF versions with other tools in excess of 50 pounds per page somewhat high. The website URL is: http://www.riverdocs.com I am planning to get my hands on a demo copy, I just have not had a chance to look into the tool much. Thanks, Sean _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/756 - Release Date: 10/04/2007 22:44 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/756 - Release Date: 10/04/2007 22:44 From djbrky at bu.edu Wed Apr 11 06:43:12 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Announcing the OCRopus Open Source OCR Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116022759CA@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> http://google-code-updates.blogspot.com/2007/04/announcing-ocropus-open- source-ocr.html >From the good people of /. [Slashdot ] Google has just announced work on OCRopus , which it says it hopes will "advance the state of the art in optical character recognition and related technologies". The goal of the project is to advance the state of the art in optical character recognition and related technologies, and to deliver a high quality OCR system suitable for document conversions, electronic libraries, vision impaired users, historical document analysis, and general desktop use." Google is "hoping for contributions by the open source community in areas such as adapting the system to additional languages, creating a Gnome desktop application, integration with Gnome desktop search, web-based tools for proofing and training, language modeling, additional character recognition engines, and other useful tools and add-ons." Late last year Google announced their intention to release (re-release?) Tesseract OCR , an obscure open-source program apparently familiar to only the most ardent Linux developer. -- Posted By D. Berkowitz to Access Technologists Higher Education Network at 4/11/2007 09:13:00 AM From tft at u.washington.edu Wed Apr 11 07:21:43 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Structured accessible HTML from PDF In-Reply-To: <001d01c77c1b$aa4eca40$0a01a8c0@laptop> Message-ID: <200704111421.l3BELkZD026238@smtp.washington.edu> I tried the demo version of RiverDocs on the EDUCAUSE survey article: http://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ERB0512.pdf It's tough to make conclusive judgements since the trial version will only convert two pages, and it replaces about half the text with XXXX's. From what I saw of the first two pages, I was not impressed with its "artificial intelligence". The title of the article "Information Technology Accessibility in Higher Education", which is by far the largest text in the original PDF, was converted to a

tag, whereas the smaller subtitle "Research and Promising Practies" was (correctly) converted to an

. On page 2, the section heading "Overview" was converted to

, but structurally I think that should be

. Other than that it did ok with paragraphs and unordered lists, but the really annoying thing was that it captured background images and scattered them as img tags in odd places throughout the HTML output. I'm sure that's just a case of "garbage in garbage out", but for the asking price and the lofty claims I would expect something a little more reliable. Terry Terry Thompson Technology Specialist, DO-IT University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 http://www.washington.edu/doit > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 2:28 AM > To: skeegan@htctu.net; 'Access Technologists in Higher > Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Structured accessible HTML from PDF > > I have experimented a little bit - the interface is easy to > use and the output is seen alongside the original. > > I have used it for PDF to Word and found that it was saved in > a RiverDocs format and it was easier for me to copy and paste > the contents into Word. > Tables if accessible were linearalised in a rather odd way as > has been said > > If the entire PDF is a picture then obviously there is no > conversion - it just puts the picture into the conversion > area and you can re-size it etc! > > I had one PDF form with the labels to the left and lines for > writing on beside the labels - the conversion put all the > labels in a list and > collected all the lines after the list. It was in fact > easier just to copy > and paste the contents of that PDF into Word to make > necessary changes! > > Google and Opera can make better versions at times for free :>)) > > However, there is a useful 'issues' button that flags up why > things may not have converted well. > > Best Wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Assistive Technologist > Mobile: 07976 289103 > http://www.emptech.info/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:05 AM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Structured accessible HTML from PDF > > > > The RiverDocs converter will take any PDF document and analyse it to > recognise > > multi-column pages, headings, tables, images and other > formatting and > convert > > it all into XHTML. Correctly recognising text that wraps around a > > picture, > > > or the cells in a table requires sophisticated artificial > intelligence > algorithms. > > Has anyone actually used the RiverDocs Converter and what > have you thought of it? > > The press release and the information on their website a bit > lacking as to exactly how they really are different from the > other tools that currently exists (you can edit a PDF for > accessibility in Acrobat and export from PDF to HTML). I > found their price estimate of creating accessible PDF > versions with other tools in excess of 50 pounds per page > somewhat high. > > The website URL is: http://www.riverdocs.com > > I am planning to get my hands on a demo copy, I just have not > had a chance to look into the tool much. > > > Thanks, > Sean > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/756 - Release > Date: 10/04/2007 > 22:44 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/756 - Release > Date: 10/04/2007 > 22:44 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From LDignan at lccc.wy.edu Tue Apr 10 14:47:50 2007 From: LDignan at lccc.wy.edu (Dignan, Lisa) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Top Tech-Savvy Community Coll... References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C71160227546F@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <838D7915116649419FCF5E85774418DC03DD9DA1@EX2K3.lcccms.msft> Not to brag or take any credit, but, ahem... Midsize colleges - between 3,000 and 7,500 students: 1st: Indian River Community College, Fort Pierce, Fla. (tie) 1st: Laramie County Community College, Cheyenne, Wyo. (tie) 2nd: Darton College, Albany, Ga. Yup, that's right - it must be the ATHEN membership that makes the difference, eh? *grin!* Lisa Dignan, M.Ed., CI/CT Coordinator, Disability Resource Center Laramie County Community College 1400 East College Drive Cheyenne, Wyoming 82007 307.778.1359 - v/tty 307.778.1266 - tty 307.778.1262 - fax ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Tue 4/10/2007 12:45 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Alternate Media Subject: [Athen] Top Tech-Savvy Community Coll... http://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/article/1990/top-tech-savvy-community-colleges-named The Chronicle of Higher Education Wired Campus Blog has posted a list of the "Top Tech-Savvy Community Colleges" in the United States. The category of "Small colleges - less than 3,000 students" caught my eye: 1st: Patrick Henry Community College, Martinsville, Va. (tie) 1st: Tompkins Cortland Community College , Dryden, N.Y. (tie) 2nd: Central Wyoming College, Riverton, Wyo. Why - might you ask is this so interestign to this blog? Well, it just so happens that long-time ATHEN and AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group member Khaki Wunderlich is the Associate Dean of Learning Supportand Organizational Development and the Access Tech Goddess for the campus . Now I'm not saying that Khaki is the reason TC3 made this list -- but she certainly deserves kudos! -- Posted By D. Berkowitz to Access Technologists Higher Education Network at 4/10/2007 02:42:00 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Apr 12 07:09:16 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Top Tech-Savvy Community Coll...addition References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C71160227546F@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <838D7915116649419FCF5E85774418DC03DD9DA1@EX2K3.lcccms.msft> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E5A6@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Lisa -- As Membership Coordinator I should have caught this earlier -- but I do thank you for tooting your own horn. I do not think this is a coincidence as here we have two 'tech-savvy' institutions where the professional staff not only understands the role of access technology but is committed to (and proud of) their work. So -- do we know anyone at the other CC's on these lists? Let's get out there and recruit new members! BTW Lisa and Khaki -- now might be a good time to upgrade your ATHEN membership to the Institutional level . ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Dignan, Lisa Sent: Tue 4/10/2007 5:47 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Alternate Media Subject: Re: [Athen] Top Tech-Savvy Community Coll... Not to brag or take any credit, but, ahem... Midsize colleges - between 3,000 and 7,500 students: 1st: Indian River Community College, Fort Pierce, Fla. (tie) 1st: Laramie County Community College, Cheyenne, Wyo. (tie) 2nd: Darton College, Albany, Ga. Yup, that's right - it must be the ATHEN membership that makes the difference, eh? *grin!* Lisa Dignan, M.Ed., CI/CT Coordinator, Disability Resource Center Laramie County Community College 1400 East College Drive Cheyenne, Wyoming 82007 307.778.1359 - v/tty 307.778.1266 - tty 307.778.1262 - fax ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Tue 4/10/2007 12:45 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Alternate Media Subject: [Athen] Top Tech-Savvy Community Coll... http://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/article/1990/top-tech-savvy-community-colleges-named The Chronicle of Higher Education Wired Campus Blog has posted a list of the "Top Tech-Savvy Community Colleges" in the United States. The category of "Small colleges - less than 3,000 students" caught my eye: 1st: Patrick Henry Community College, Martinsville, Va. (tie) 1st: Tompkins Cortland Community College , Dryden, N.Y. (tie) 2nd: Central Wyoming College, Riverton, Wyo. Why - might you ask is this so interestign to this blog? Well, it just so happens that long-time ATHEN and AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group member Khaki Wunderlich is the Associate Dean of Learning Supportand Organizational Development and the Access Tech Goddess for the campus . Now I'm not saying that Khaki is the reason TC3 made this list -- but she certainly deserves kudos! -- Posted By D. Berkowitz to Access Technologists Higher Education Network at 4/10/2007 02:42:00 PM From norm.coombs at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 10:09:30 2007 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20070412100740.021ff7b0@easi.cc> I am hearing people talking about Web 2.0. I only have the vaguest idea of what they are talking about. I am looking for information. I am also looking for a recommendation of someone who could discuss Web 2.0 on a Webinar in the near future. Norm Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com or nrcgsh@rit.edu ---------------------------------------- Webinar Series on Accessible Powerpoint starting April 19 http://easi.cc/clinic.htm May Courses: Barrier-free Information Technology (4-week online course starting May 7) http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content (4-week online course starting May 7) http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs, Ph.D. CEO EASI (http://easi.cc) 22196 Caminito Tasquillo Laguna Hills CA 92653 (949) 855-4852 (Pacific time zone) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Apr 12 11:24:16 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20070412100740.021ff7b0@easi.cc> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711602396104@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Norm, You likely interact with Web 2.0 daily. Ubiquitous computing in the form of MapQuest, Google, del.icio.us, wikipedia, facebook, YouTube, myspace, Zoho, blogs, and any on-line tools you can imagine. The following is a link to a WSJ article on the best web 2.0 software of 2006: http://web2.wsj2.com/the_best_web_20_software_of_2006.htm The following link is to an article on O'Really.com http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/tim/news/2005/09/30/what-is-web- 20.html If you want to surf some of these items - feel free to visit my delicious account [web 2.0 tags]: http://del.icio.us/bostondann/web2.0 Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 1:10 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 I am hearing people talking about Web 2.0. I only have the vaguest idea of what they are talking about. I am looking for information. I am also looking for a recommendation of someone who could discuss Web 2.0 on a Webinar in the near future. Norm Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com or nrcgsh@rit.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stacylee at ksu.edu Thu Apr 12 11:37:32 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20070412100740.021ff7b0@easi.cc> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20070412100740.021ff7b0@easi.cc> Message-ID: <1176403052.461e7c6ccf229@webmail.ksu.edu> Dr. Coombs - Put loosely, web 2.0 refers to the social interactivity of the web. With web 1.0, people were observers; consumers. In web 2.0, we are creators of content. We have social networking, and people responding to one another and creating content in a way that is very new. Take YouTube, for example. Say someone writes a song and records themselves playing. Another person likes the song and records themselves playing along and posts it....or writes a song that is inspired by the original and posts it. These vidoes are interlinked, and an intereaction has occurred. Also, people can post responses and interact in this way. Then we have Wikis, MySpace, FaceBook, blogs, etc. An anthropoloy professor at K-State has become very well known recently for a YouTube video he created for YouTube that became the most viewed video for a while. It explains web 2.0. Unfortunately, it is not accessible. For those of you who are interested, the link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOE The professor's name is Michael Wesch and his email is: mwesch@k-state.edu . Perhaps he would be interested in answering more questions. Hope this helps - Stacy Quoting Prof Norm Coombs : > I am hearing people talking about Web 2.0. I only have the vaguest > idea of > what they are talking about. I am looking for information. I am > also > looking for a recommendation of someone who could discuss Web 2.0 on > a > Webinar in the near future. > Norm Coombs > norm.coombs@gmail.com > or > nrcgsh@rit.edu > > > > ---------------------------------------- > Webinar Series on Accessible Powerpoint starting April 19 > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > May Courses: > Barrier-free Information Technology (4-week online course starting > May 7) > http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content (4-week online > course > starting May 7) > http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > > Norman Coombs, Ph.D. > CEO EASI (http://easi.cc) > 22196 Caminito Tasquillo > Laguna Hills CA 92653 > (949) 855-4852 (Pacific time zone) > > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Thu Apr 12 11:36:40 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20070412100740.021ff7b0@easi.cc> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20070412100740.021ff7b0@easi.cc> Message-ID: <019401c77d31$a1ffe4c0$e5ffae40$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> As I understand the term it is the new WAI standard. I would recommend our old friend Mike Paciello or perhaps Terry Thompson. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 1:10 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 I am hearing people talking about Web 2.0. I only have the vaguest idea of what they are talking about. I am looking for information. I am also looking for a recommendation of someone who could discuss Web 2.0 on a Webinar in the near future. Norm Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com or nrcgsh@rit.edu ---------------------------------------- Webinar Series on Accessible Powerpoint starting April 19 http://easi.cc/clinic.htm May Courses: Barrier-free Information Technology (4-week online course starting May 7) http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content (4-week online course starting May 7) http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs, Ph.D. CEO EASI (http://easi.cc ) 22196 Caminito Tasquillo Laguna Hills CA 92653 (949) 855-4852 (Pacific time zone) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Thu Apr 12 11:46:18 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 In-Reply-To: <1176403052.461e7c6ccf229@webmail.ksu.edu> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20070412100740.021ff7b0@easi.cc> <1176403052.461e7c6ccf229@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <01af01c77d32$e0072570$a0157050$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Boy what planet have I been hiding on. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:38 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Prof Norm Coombs Cc: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 Dr. Coombs - Put loosely, web 2.0 refers to the social interactivity of the web. With web 1.0, people were observers; consumers. In web 2.0, we are creators of content. We have social networking, and people responding to one another and creating content in a way that is very new. Take YouTube, for example. Say someone writes a song and records themselves playing. Another person likes the song and records themselves playing along and posts it....or writes a song that is inspired by the original and posts it. These vidoes are interlinked, and an intereaction has occurred. Also, people can post responses and interact in this way. Then we have Wikis, MySpace, FaceBook, blogs, etc. An anthropoloy professor at K-State has become very well known recently for a YouTube video he created for YouTube that became the most viewed video for a while. It explains web 2.0. Unfortunately, it is not accessible. For those of you who are interested, the link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOE The professor's name is Michael Wesch and his email is: mwesch@k-state.edu . Perhaps he would be interested in answering more questions. Hope this helps - Stacy Quoting Prof Norm Coombs : > I am hearing people talking about Web 2.0. I only have the vaguest > idea of > what they are talking about. I am looking for information. I am > also > looking for a recommendation of someone who could discuss Web 2.0 on > a > Webinar in the near future. > Norm Coombs > norm.coombs@gmail.com > or > nrcgsh@rit.edu > > > > ---------------------------------------- > Webinar Series on Accessible Powerpoint starting April 19 > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > May Courses: > Barrier-free Information Technology (4-week online course starting > May 7) > http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content (4-week online > course > starting May 7) > http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > > Norman Coombs, Ph.D. > CEO EASI (http://easi.cc) > 22196 Caminito Tasquillo > Laguna Hills CA 92653 > (949) 855-4852 (Pacific time zone) > > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From jfoliot at stanford.edu Thu Apr 12 12:09:54 2007 From: jfoliot at stanford.edu (John Foliot - Stanford Online Accessibility Program) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20070412100740.021ff7b0@easi.cc> Message-ID: <004e01c77d36$291d4ac0$4d8e40ab@Piglet> Prof Norm Coombs wrote: > I am hearing people talking about Web 2.0. I only have the vaguest > idea of what they are talking about. I am looking for information. > I am also looking for a recommendation of someone who could discuss > Web 2.0 on a Webinar in the near future. Norm Coombs > norm.coombs@gmail.com > or > nrcgsh@rit.edu > For those who are in or near the San Francisco Bay area: Web2.0 Expo coming to Moscone Center April 15-18 http://www.web2expo.com/ If you want to attend just the Expo, here's a discount code that will let you see the vendors for free. Get a FREE Expo Pass-use discount code webex07mk2 at: http://www.web2expo.com/pub/w/53/register.html Here's what the Expo Pass gives you: - Entrance to the Expo Hall - All networking events held in the Expo Hall - Access to all Keynotes presentations - Access to all Products & Services track sessions - Birds of a Feather sessions --- John Foliot Academic Technology Consultant Stanford Online Accessibility Program http://soap.stanford.edu Stanford University 560 Escondido Mall Meyer Library 181 Stanford, CA 94305-3093 Tel: 650-862-4603 From pratikp1 at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 12:16:10 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 In-Reply-To: <01af01c77d32$e0072570$a0157050$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20070412100740.021ff7b0@easi.cc><1176403052.461e7c6ccf229@webmail.ksu.edu> <01af01c77d32$e0072570$a0157050$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <002101c77d37$081c3c90$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> Aside from the social aspects that Stacy pointed out, web 2.0 is more of a marketing term (my opinion, of course) originally coined by Tim O'Reilly. Here is an article that attempts to clarify the term from the O'Reilly Media perspective. Of course, as terms such as these go, they take on their own lives once they're released, much to Tim O'Reilly's Chagrin (http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/tim/news/2005/09/30/what-is-web-20. html). The definition of the term is based on the use of various underlying technologies as opposed to updates in those technologies. That is exactly why it is a bit contraversial. Pure technologists regard the usage of web 2.0 as fluff. The movement toward social content creation by involving the power of the masses is quite revolutionary; and, even more important, technologies and systems represented by this movement are much less costly than the first generation of web content. As to the accessibility of these systems, well that's a mix bag. ... Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:46 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 Boy what planet have I been hiding on. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:38 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Prof Norm Coombs Cc: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 Dr. Coombs - Put loosely, web 2.0 refers to the social interactivity of the web. With web 1.0, people were observers; consumers. In web 2.0, we are creators of content. We have social networking, and people responding to one another and creating content in a way that is very new. Take YouTube, for example. Say someone writes a song and records themselves playing. Another person likes the song and records themselves playing along and posts it....or writes a song that is inspired by the original and posts it. These vidoes are interlinked, and an intereaction has occurred. Also, people can post responses and interact in this way. Then we have Wikis, MySpace, FaceBook, blogs, etc. An anthropoloy professor at K-State has become very well known recently for a YouTube video he created for YouTube that became the most viewed video for a while. It explains web 2.0. Unfortunately, it is not accessible. For those of you who are interested, the link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmP4nk0EOE The professor's name is Michael Wesch and his email is: mwesch@k-state.edu . Perhaps he would be interested in answering more questions. Hope this helps - Stacy Quoting Prof Norm Coombs : > I am hearing people talking about Web 2.0. I only have the vaguest > idea of > what they are talking about. I am looking for information. I am > also > looking for a recommendation of someone who could discuss Web 2.0 on > a > Webinar in the near future. > Norm Coombs > norm.coombs@gmail.com > or > nrcgsh@rit.edu > > > > ---------------------------------------- > Webinar Series on Accessible Powerpoint starting April 19 > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > May Courses: > Barrier-free Information Technology (4-week online course starting > May 7) > http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content (4-week online > course > starting May 7) > http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > > Norman Coombs, Ph.D. > CEO EASI (http://easi.cc) > 22196 Caminito Tasquillo > Laguna Hills CA 92653 > (949) 855-4852 (Pacific time zone) > > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From tft at u.washington.edu Thu Apr 12 12:46:50 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 In-Reply-To: <019401c77d31$a1ffe4c0$e5ffae40$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <200704121946.l3CJkq16007646@smtp.washington.edu> Since Ron dragged me into this... In November of last year the University of Washington hosted a Web Accessibility Capacity Building Institute in Seattle that focused on accessibility of Web 2.0 technologies. More about that event, including the proceedings, is available here: http://www.washington.edu/doit/cbi/webaccess/ The W3C's contribution to this is the Accessible Rich Internet Applications (ARIA) Suite, developed by the WAI Protocols & Formats Working Group: http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/aria ATHEN's own Jon Gunderson of the University of Illinois has been involved with that group, and is co-editor of the W3C's "Roadmap for ARIA". I would recommend Jon for your webinar, Norm. Terry ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:37 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 As I understand the term it is the new WAI standard. I would recommend our old friend Mike Paciello or perhaps Terry Thompson. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 1:10 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 I am hearing people talking about Web 2.0. I only have the vaguest idea of what they are talking about. I am looking for information. I am also looking for a recommendation of someone who could discuss Web 2.0 on a Webinar in the near future. Norm Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com or nrcgsh@rit.edu ---------------------------------------- Webinar Series on Accessible Powerpoint starting April 19 http://easi.cc/clinic.htm May Courses: Barrier-free Information Technology (4-week online course starting May 7) http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content (4-week online course starting May 7) http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs, Ph.D. CEO EASI (http://easi.cc ) 22196 Caminito Tasquillo Laguna Hills CA 92653 (949) 855-4852 (Pacific time zone) From skeegan at htctu.net Thu Apr 12 12:59:16 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 In-Reply-To: <01af01c77d32$e0072570$a0157050$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20070412100740.021ff7b0@easi.cc><1176403052.461e7c6ccf229@webmail.ksu.edu> <01af01c77d32$e0072570$a0157050$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <003c01c77d3d$0d99f8a0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> > With web 1.0, people were observers; consumers. In web 2.0, we are creators of content. Personally, I am waiting for the Web 2.0 service pack before I upgrade. Some of the creators need help. Okay, okay...bad joke. sean From ea at emptech.info Thu Apr 12 15:12:13 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 In-Reply-To: <003c01c77d3d$0d99f8a0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20070412100740.021ff7b0@easi.cc><1176403052.461e7c6ccf229@webmail.ksu.edu><01af01c77d32$e0072570$a0157050$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <003c01c77d3d$0d99f8a0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <009201c77d4f$a01704e0$0a01a8c0@laptop> Some of us might just skip to Web 3.0, it is all flashing by so quickly so don't worry Sean! Just wait till the ATHEN evaluation team get to work on it all - Thank you for your e-mail Saroj - I promise to get to it by 2pm EST and find dates for a meeting. Best Wishes E.A. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:59 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 > With web 1.0, people were observers; consumers. In web 2.0, we are creators of content. Personally, I am waiting for the Web 2.0 service pack before I upgrade. Some of the creators need help. Okay, okay...bad joke. sean _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/757 - Release Date: 11/04/2007 17:14 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/757 - Release Date: 11/04/2007 17:14 From asuncion at alcor.concordia.ca Thu Apr 12 19:57:10 2007 From: asuncion at alcor.concordia.ca (Jennison Asuncion) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 In-Reply-To: <003c01c77d3d$0d99f8a0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: Hello, It may be too late for most from a planning perspective, but there will be a two day conference on web 2.0 and accessibility in Banff Canada May 7 and 8. The site is www.w4a.info Jennison Jennison Asuncion Co-Director, Adaptech Research Network http://www.adaptech.org From djbrky at bu.edu Fri Apr 13 05:24:58 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] [nabs] Research again In-Reply-To: <200704111328.EEK31856@UDel.Edu> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116023965C5@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Hi Liz, I saw your post and marked it to reply but simply have not had the time. However, this topic (and the fact that someone is doing research on it) is not only important but also interests me. I am sharing this message with the membership of the Access Technologist Higher Education Network (ATHEN) and requesting they read both my comments, your posting (and perhaps offer assistance). Not long ago I made an off hand remark on the DSSHE eMail list about how no one uses Braille anymore and was promptly lambasted by colleagues across the country. Realizing I had made an error in judgment I sought to better educate myself on this subject. First some background. It has been my experience over the past few years that the use of Braille for academic purposes is dwindling. This misnomer is based upon the fact that students (at least my students) are not asking for their materials in Braille. I have not had a specific Braille request for textbooks, course materials, etc. in a couple of years. However, the requests I have been getting are for digital (E-Text) files of these materials. I personally contacted several of my students and asked them rather point blank and innocently - are you using Braille? And if so - how? Well, it turns out that they are indeed using Braille all of the time and everyday. Just about all of them us Braille in a variety of manners from having personal ownership of a Perkins Brailler for jotting down grocery lists, to having a personal printer/embosser for class notes, to having a PacMate as a portable device, to having a refreshable display for their computer to having personal libraries of books and subscriptions to magazines and such and, of course, to reading signage throughout the campus. To a person they all agree that having bulky and unmanageable Braille hard copies of their textbooks is unnecessary (and a pain in the butt to deal with). The digital textbook files my office provides them are accessed using hardware and software that is more manageable and user friendly. This is typically a combination of screenreader and refreshable display. Braille is still alive and well and in use - but hardcopy Braille for academic textbooks is easily replaced by digital files and electronic display options. If you do create an on-line survey (or need assistance with created an accessible one) let us know. Members of ATHEN may be willing to assist with the development of the survey and with advertising/recruiting respondents. I think you might find there is more interest in your thesis research than you imagine. Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >-----Original Message----- >From: Liz Bottner [mailto:lizb@UDel.Edu] >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:29 AM >To: nabs@acb.org >Subject: [nabs] Research again > >Hi all: > >Thank you to those of you who responded to my post on research the other >day. I know I haven't gotten back to all of you, which I will do shortly. >I have actually changed my research thesis slightly from whether or not >assistive technology should replace Braille to the benefits that using both >Braille and assistive technology have in terms of equal and readily >available access to information just as our sighted counterparts take >advantage of. Rather, that Braille and assistive tech shouldn't >necessarily >be used one over the other, but in conjunction with one another. I myself >use one or the other or both depending on the circumstances. I wasn't sure >if any of you wanted to perhaps share with me what kinds of methods you use >to get things done, Braille versus the computer or other assistive >technology devices when it comes to reading for pleasure, school, >completing >assignments, using the Internet, etc. I was wondering if any of you would >be willing to share your techniques and experiences with using the two >mediums of getting access to information. You could fill out a survey, >(once I write it), or if you want, just give me your input back in a >message, that would be fine as well. Perhaps you should reply to me off >list so as not to clutter it. > >Thanks, take care, and I hope all of your school years/Spring semesters are >going well! > >Liz > >Email: lizb@udel.edu Visit my Live Journal: >http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com > From LDignan at lccc.wy.edu Thu Apr 12 11:37:25 2007 From: LDignan at lccc.wy.edu (Dignan, Lisa) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Top Tech-Savvy Community Coll...addition In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E5A6@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C71160227546F@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><838D7915116649419FCF5E85774418DC03DD9DA1@EX2K3.lcccms.msft> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E5A6@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <838D7915116649419FCF5E85774418DC0356E858@EX2K3.lcccms.msft> Well done, Dan! Never pass up the opportunity to further the ATHEN cause! I'll contact you separately about the membership... Lisa -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:09 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Alternate Media Subject: Re: [Athen] Top Tech-Savvy Community Coll...addition Lisa -- As Membership Coordinator I should have caught this earlier -- but I do thank you for tooting your own horn. I do not think this is a coincidence as here we have two 'tech-savvy' institutions where the professional staff not only understands the role of access technology but is committed to (and proud of) their work. So -- do we know anyone at the other CC's on these lists? Let's get out there and recruit new members! BTW Lisa and Khaki -- now might be a good time to upgrade your ATHEN membership to the Institutional level . ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Dignan, Lisa Sent: Tue 4/10/2007 5:47 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Alternate Media Subject: Re: [Athen] Top Tech-Savvy Community Coll... Not to brag or take any credit, but, ahem... Midsize colleges - between 3,000 and 7,500 students: 1st: Indian River Community College, Fort Pierce, Fla. (tie) 1st: Laramie County Community College, Cheyenne, Wyo. (tie) 2nd: Darton College, Albany, Ga. Yup, that's right - it must be the ATHEN membership that makes the difference, eh? *grin!* Lisa Dignan, M.Ed., CI/CT Coordinator, Disability Resource Center Laramie County Community College 1400 East College Drive Cheyenne, Wyoming 82007 307.778.1359 - v/tty 307.778.1266 - tty 307.778.1262 - fax ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Tue 4/10/2007 12:45 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Alternate Media Subject: [Athen] Top Tech-Savvy Community Coll... http://chronicle.com/wiredcampus/article/1990/top-tech-savvy-community-c olleges-named The Chronicle of Higher Education Wired Campus Blog has posted a list of the "Top Tech-Savvy Community Colleges" in the United States. The category of "Small colleges - less than 3,000 students" caught my eye: 1st: Patrick Henry Community College, Martinsville, Va. (tie) 1st: Tompkins Cortland Community College , Dryden, N.Y. (tie) 2nd: Central Wyoming College, Riverton, Wyo. Why - might you ask is this so interestign to this blog? Well, it just so happens that long-time ATHEN and AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group member Khaki Wunderlich is the Associate Dean of Learning Supportand Organizational Development and the Access Tech Goddess for the campus . Now I'm not saying that Khaki is the reason TC3 made this list -- but she certainly deserves kudos! -- Posted By D. Berkowitz to Access Technologists Higher Education Network at 4/10/2007 02:42:00 PM _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From djbrky at bu.edu Fri Apr 13 11:21:11 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon Update Problems Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711602396C7B@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> I have a colleague with a ThinkPad laptop who is having serious problems with the service pack updates for Dragon 9.0 Anybody having similar issues? Solutions? ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability From tft at u.washington.edu Fri Apr 13 11:54:34 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Letter to Blackboard/WebCT Message-ID: <200704131854.l3DIsa6K023374@smtp.washington.edu> I apologize if this has already appeared on the ATHEN list, but I don't think I've seen it, so... For those of you whose institutions use Blackboard or WebCT, the Blackboard and WebCT Accessibility Interest Groups have joined forces in writing a letter that will be sent to high-ranking officials within Blackboard. Blackboard has big plans concerning integration of Web 2.0 technologies into future releases of their products, and we feel it's critical that we have a closer relationship with them in order to influence their commitment to accessibility. If they don't carefully consider accessibility early in the development cycle, students and faculty members with disabilities are going to be completely shut out of their academic courses. The letter is here: http://cita.uiuc.edu/collaborate/webct/docs/letter_to_ui_draft5.doc The plan is for high-ranking IT officials at a large number of Blackboard/WebCT customer institutions to sign the letter, each on their own letterhead. The letters will then be assembled and submitted collectively. If possible, please collect the needed signatures and send three copies (one for each recipient at Blackboard) to the following address: ATTN: Jon Gunderson Blackboard Accessibility Letter Rehabilitation Education Center 1207 S. Oak Street Champaign, IL 61820 Jon's hoping to have all the letters by 4/23. If things are moving forward but you need more time, just let Jon know (jongund at uiuc dot edu). Thanks! Terry Terry Thompson Technology Specialist, DO-IT University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 http://www.washington.edu/doit From gdietrich at htctu.net Fri Apr 13 16:38:48 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Research again In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116023965C5@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <200704111328.EEK31856@UDel.Edu> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116023965C5@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <006601c77e24$e2b3dff0$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Excellent point, Dann! It is hard-copy Braille that is diminishing, not Braille use itself. (Those statistics that about 80% of employed blind people read Braille are still current....) Our California Community College Chancellor's Office made a requirement at one time that all of our campuses should have their college catalog and class schedule available in Braille format on request. I always recommended to the campuses that they have available a formatted Word document and a refreshable Braille display. Voila! College catalog available in Braille on demand. The amount that the campus saved on hard-copy Braille creation every term quickly paid for the refreshable Braille display. Plus, an AT or alt media specialist attending my three-day Introduction to Reading Braille (shameless plug) and then sitting down at a refreshable Braille display and watching Braille pop up that you can read ranks up there with one of the coolest AT experiences ever! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:25 AM To: nabs@acb.org Cc: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [nabs] Research again Hi Liz, I saw your post and marked it to reply but simply have not had the time. However, this topic (and the fact that someone is doing research on it) is not only important but also interests me. I am sharing this message with the membership of the Access Technologist Higher Education Network (ATHEN) and requesting they read both my comments, your posting (and perhaps offer assistance). Not long ago I made an off hand remark on the DSSHE eMail list about how no one uses Braille anymore and was promptly lambasted by colleagues across the country. Realizing I had made an error in judgment I sought to better educate myself on this subject. First some background. It has been my experience over the past few years that the use of Braille for academic purposes is dwindling. This misnomer is based upon the fact that students (at least my students) are not asking for their materials in Braille. I have not had a specific Braille request for textbooks, course materials, etc. in a couple of years. However, the requests I have been getting are for digital (E-Text) files of these materials. I personally contacted several of my students and asked them rather point blank and innocently - are you using Braille? And if so - how? Well, it turns out that they are indeed using Braille all of the time and everyday. Just about all of them us Braille in a variety of manners from having personal ownership of a Perkins Brailler for jotting down grocery lists, to having a personal printer/embosser for class notes, to having a PacMate as a portable device, to having a refreshable display for their computer to having personal libraries of books and subscriptions to magazines and such and, of course, to reading signage throughout the campus. To a person they all agree that having bulky and unmanageable Braille hard copies of their textbooks is unnecessary (and a pain in the butt to deal with). The digital textbook files my office provides them are accessed using hardware and software that is more manageable and user friendly. This is typically a combination of screenreader and refreshable display. Braille is still alive and well and in use - but hardcopy Braille for academic textbooks is easily replaced by digital files and electronic display options. If you do create an on-line survey (or need assistance with created an accessible one) let us know. Members of ATHEN may be willing to assist with the development of the survey and with advertising/recruiting respondents. I think you might find there is more interest in your thesis research than you imagine. Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >-----Original Message----- >From: Liz Bottner [mailto:lizb@UDel.Edu] >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:29 AM >To: nabs@acb.org >Subject: [nabs] Research again > >Hi all: > >Thank you to those of you who responded to my post on research the other >day. I know I haven't gotten back to all of you, which I will do shortly. >I have actually changed my research thesis slightly from whether or not >assistive technology should replace Braille to the benefits that using both >Braille and assistive technology have in terms of equal and readily >available access to information just as our sighted counterparts take >advantage of. Rather, that Braille and assistive tech shouldn't >necessarily >be used one over the other, but in conjunction with one another. I myself >use one or the other or both depending on the circumstances. I wasn't sure >if any of you wanted to perhaps share with me what kinds of methods you use >to get things done, Braille versus the computer or other assistive >technology devices when it comes to reading for pleasure, school, >completing >assignments, using the Internet, etc. I was wondering if any of you would >be willing to share your techniques and experiences with using the two >mediums of getting access to information. You could fill out a survey, >(once I write it), or if you want, just give me your input back in a >message, that would be fine as well. Perhaps you should reply to me off >list so as not to clutter it. > >Thanks, take care, and I hope all of your school years/Spring semesters are >going well! > >Liz > >Email: lizb@udel.edu Visit my Live Journal: >http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Fri Apr 13 18:04:09 2007 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon Update Problems In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711602396C7B@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <45BB08270000C438@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> What are the problems, Dan? Can your colleague provide some specifics? I might have answers. Wink >-- Original Message -- >Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:21:11 -0400 >From: "Berkowitz, Daniel J" >To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" >Subject: [Athen] Dragon Update Problems >Reply-To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > >I have a colleague with a ThinkPad laptop who is having serious problems >with the service pack updates for Dragon 9.0 > >Anybody having similar issues? Solutions? > > >========================= >Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director >Boston University Office of Disability Services >19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor >Boston, MA 02215 > >(617) 353-3658 (office) >(617) 353-9646 (fax) >djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) >www.bu.edu/disability > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 From akander1 at wisc.edu Sat Apr 14 17:40:46 2007 From: akander1 at wisc.edu (ALICE K ANDERSON) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Adaptive Technology Specialist Postion at University of Wisconsin-Madison Message-ID: McBurney Disability Resource Center at the University of Wisconsin-Madison is currently recruiting for the following : *Adaptive Technology Specialist* (Applications must be received by April 23.) This is a full time, twelve-month renewable salaried academic staff appointment with full university benefits. The salary range is from $34,322 to $59,008. For links to complete job descriptions, please go to www.mcburney.wisc.edu and click on Job Seekers. Apply now and live in one of the top-ranked cities in the country see *http://www.visitmadison.com/visitorinfo/awards.php Alice Anderson, Director MIDWEST Alliance for Science,Technology, Engineering and Math www.stemmidwest.org and Technology Accessibility Program (TAP) Division of Information Technology (DoIT) University of Wisconsin-Madison 1210 West Dayton Street (3227) Madison, WI 53705 http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/ Telephone: 608.262.2129 From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Mon Apr 16 03:35:49 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Webcredible CMS boosts web site accessibility Message-ID: <01a601c78013$0509f0e0$0f1dd2a0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Another silver bullet? Ron -----Original Message----- From: blindnews-bounces@blindprogramming.com [mailto:blindnews-bounces@blindprogramming.com] On Behalf Of BlindNews Mailing List Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:59 PM To: BlindNews@blindprogramming.com Subject: Webcredible CMS boosts web site accessibility IT Week, United Kingdom Friday, April 13, 2007 Webcredible CMS boosts web site accessibility By Phil Muncaster, IT Week Content management system ensures sites are compliant with the W3C's accessibility guidelines Web accessibility consultancy Webcredible is set to launch a new content management system (CMS) designed to ensure firms' sites are compliant with level AAA of the W3C's Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG). The product, which will be launched at the Internet World event in a fortnight, automatically cleans up code so that it complies with the standards, and forces content editors to use correct heading structures and accurate ALT text for all images, among other things, according to the firm's managing director Trenton Moss. "While the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) provide a useful framework for developing an accessible web site, online retailers will run into trouble if they rely solely on their interpretation of these jargon-filled, somewhat vague guidelines," he added. "We are offering a system that actually forces editors to produce accessible content during the web page development and editing process." The product also utilises Ajax technology to improve the user experience, and can optimise web pages for search engines, according to the firm. "Putting an accessible CMS at the heart of all web site content development can also save companies time and money, as online retailers will not need to develop and maintain separate, accessible web pages in addition to their main web site," explained Moss. http://www.itweek.co.uk/itweek/news/2187767/webcredible-launch-accessible -- BlindNews mailing list To contact a list moderator about a problem or to make a request, send a message to BlindNews-Owner@BlindProgramming.com The BlindNews list is archived at: http://GeoffAndWen.com/blind/ To address a message to all members of the list, send mail to: BlindNews@blindprogramming.com Access your subscription info at: http://blindprogramming.com/mailman/listinfo/blindnews_blindprogramming.com To unsubscribe via e-mail: send a message to BlindNews-Request@BlindProgramming.com with the word unsubscribe in either the subject or body of the message From edward at ngtvoice.com Mon Apr 16 07:02:24 2007 From: edward at ngtvoice.com (Ed. Rosenthal) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon Update Problems In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711602396C7B@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <002601c7802f$dd02e080$b47ba8c0@eros> Can you be more specific about the nature of the problems... isn't that he cannot download, or upon downloading is running into problems with the update? -ed. Edward S. Rosenthal, ATACP Graduate President and CEO Next Generation Technologies Inc. 20006 Cedar Valley Rd. #101 Lynnwood, WA 98036-6334 Ph: 425-744-1100 ext. 15 Fx: 425-778-5547 Em: edward@ngtvoice.com URL: www.ngtvoice.com This document may have been generated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking Medical version 9.1 and/or handwriting recognition on a Motion LE1600 Tablet PC... please disregard remaining misrecognitions or unusual formatting. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:21 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Dragon Update Problems Importance: High I have a colleague with a ThinkPad laptop who is having serious problems with the service pack updates for Dragon 9.0 Anybody having similar issues? Solutions? ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From djbrky at bu.edu Mon Apr 16 09:32:18 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Go Van! References: <002601c7802f$dd02e080$b47ba8c0@eros> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E5AA@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> For those of you curious how Van is doing at the Boston Marathon - you can track her progress at the BAA website: http://www.bostonmarathon.org/2007/cf/public/TrackingIndividual.cfm Bib Number: 20734 She is breaking a 10 minute Kilometer! ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability From tlwells at uark.edu Tue Apr 17 12:08:26 2007 From: tlwells at uark.edu (Teresa Wells Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E5AA@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <00ea01c78123$c6dfe970$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Colleagues, I am in a "discussion" with a member of my university administration who does not want to believe me that PeopleSoft has a history of difficulties with accessibility. He would like me to substantiate my dislike for Peoplesoft, and not surprisingly, a Google search tends to come up with PeopleSoft's own statements on the matter ("We've been working on this for years," "We conform to Section 508 regulations") rather than anything contradictory. Does anyone have anything in the way of "hard evidence" of PeopleSoft's past that I could share with him -- records of court cases, complaints against the company, etc.? The more recent, the better, since he is going to take the stance that they may have had problems in the past but that doesn't mean they have a problem now, although it won't hurt to show him a long history of company problems. To give you a taste of this "discussion", we currently use a PeopleSoft product on our campus as our Student Information System. Students who use screen readers have so much difficulty that most of them get sighted people to interface with the system for them; I've been complaining about the system since we implemented it several years ago. The administrator in question downloaded a demo copy of JAWS last week and used it to "read" a page (he merely listened to the text while he visually looked at the screen), at which point he concluded that the program works "just fine" with JAWS and all the students are really just having either JAWS technical problems or don't have the necessary JAWS skills to interact with the program (something he didn't even try for himself, since "he's not a JAWS expert"). This "discussion" is flaming up to the Chancellor level very rapidly, so I'd appreciate quick responses if you have them... Thank you in advance, Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. Assistant Director for Assistive Technology Center for Educational Access (Formerly Center for Students with Disabilities) ARKU 104 University of Arkansas Fayetteville, AR 72701 479-575-3104 (voice) 479-575-7445 (fax) 479-575-3646 (tdd) ada@uark.edu +++++++++++++++++++++ From gdietrich at htctu.net Tue Apr 17 12:25:55 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft In-Reply-To: <00ea01c78123$c6dfe970$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E5AA@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <00ea01c78123$c6dfe970$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Message-ID: <000601c78126$38f09620$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> It sounds like your best evidence is the students themselves, not reporting about the students' experiences but actually taking the students into the office to tell in their own words, and maybe even demonstrate, the problems they are having. Your administrators are asking for "facts," but I suspect that an actual tuition-paying student is better than pages of "old" (anything before today) cases. Good luck! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa Wells Haven Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft Importance: High Colleagues, I am in a "discussion" with a member of my university administration who does not want to believe me that PeopleSoft has a history of difficulties with accessibility. He would like me to substantiate my dislike for Peoplesoft, and not surprisingly, a Google search tends to come up with PeopleSoft's own statements on the matter ("We've been working on this for years," "We conform to Section 508 regulations") rather than anything contradictory. Does anyone have anything in the way of "hard evidence" of PeopleSoft's past that I could share with him -- records of court cases, complaints against the company, etc.? The more recent, the better, since he is going to take the stance that they may have had problems in the past but that doesn't mean they have a problem now, although it won't hurt to show him a long history of company problems. To give you a taste of this "discussion", we currently use a PeopleSoft product on our campus as our Student Information System. Students who use screen readers have so much difficulty that most of them get sighted people to interface with the system for them; I've been complaining about the system since we implemented it several years ago. The administrator in question downloaded a demo copy of JAWS last week and used it to "read" a page (he merely listened to the text while he visually looked at the screen), at which point he concluded that the program works "just fine" with JAWS and all the students are really just having either JAWS technical problems or don't have the necessary JAWS skills to interact with the program (something he didn't even try for himself, since "he's not a JAWS expert"). This "discussion" is flaming up to the Chancellor level very rapidly, so I'd appreciate quick responses if you have them... Thank you in advance, Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. Assistant Director for Assistive Technology Center for Educational Access (Formerly Center for Students with Disabilities) ARKU 104 University of Arkansas Fayetteville, AR 72701 479-575-3104 (voice) 479-575-7445 (fax) 479-575-3646 (tdd) ada@uark.edu +++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From tlwells at uark.edu Tue Apr 17 12:39:51 2007 From: tlwells at uark.edu (Teresa Wells Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft In-Reply-To: <000601c78126$38f09620$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <00ed01c78128$2d8f7600$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Hi, Gaier. I agree, and frankly that's the tactic I've been trying to take -- that this should be a usability and student service conversation rather than a "technical standards and history" debate. However, the system administrator is insisting on keeping it in the legal realm and blaming the students for the problem, and the students who so far have been brave enough to go up the food chain have gotten brow-beaten for their efforts, so I don't want to subject them to more of the same. At this point, I'm trying to gather evidence from every possible area, so any and all "facts" that folks can share would be appreciated. As you can imagine, this is a multi-million-dollar issue for the campus, so the person in charge of that feels that he has a great deal to defend and is reacting accordingly... Teresa -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:26 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft It sounds like your best evidence is the students themselves, not reporting about the students' experiences but actually taking the students into the office to tell in their own words, and maybe even demonstrate, the problems they are having. Your administrators are asking for "facts," but I suspect that an actual tuition-paying student is better than pages of "old" (anything before today) cases. Good luck! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa Wells Haven Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft Importance: High Colleagues, I am in a "discussion" with a member of my university administration who does not want to believe me that PeopleSoft has a history of difficulties with accessibility. He would like me to substantiate my dislike for Peoplesoft, and not surprisingly, a Google search tends to come up with PeopleSoft's own statements on the matter ("We've been working on this for years," "We conform to Section 508 regulations") rather than anything contradictory. Does anyone have anything in the way of "hard evidence" of PeopleSoft's past that I could share with him -- records of court cases, complaints against the company, etc.? The more recent, the better, since he is going to take the stance that they may have had problems in the past but that doesn't mean they have a problem now, although it won't hurt to show him a long history of company problems. To give you a taste of this "discussion", we currently use a PeopleSoft product on our campus as our Student Information System. Students who use screen readers have so much difficulty that most of them get sighted people to interface with the system for them; I've been complaining about the system since we implemented it several years ago. The administrator in question downloaded a demo copy of JAWS last week and used it to "read" a page (he merely listened to the text while he visually looked at the screen), at which point he concluded that the program works "just fine" with JAWS and all the students are really just having either JAWS technical problems or don't have the necessary JAWS skills to interact with the program (something he didn't even try for himself, since "he's not a JAWS expert"). This "discussion" is flaming up to the Chancellor level very rapidly, so I'd appreciate quick responses if you have them... Thank you in advance, Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. Assistant Director for Assistive Technology Center for Educational Access (Formerly Center for Students with Disabilities) ARKU 104 University of Arkansas Fayetteville, AR 72701 479-575-3104 (voice) 479-575-7445 (fax) 479-575-3646 (tdd) ada@uark.edu +++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From jeano at uwm.edu Tue Apr 17 13:24:47 2007 From: jeano at uwm.edu (Jean Salzer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft In-Reply-To: <00ed01c78128$2d8f7600$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> References: <00ed01c78128$2d8f7600$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Message-ID: <46252D0F.5070302@uwm.edu> Hi Teresa. Our experience at UW-Milwaukee has been similar: while a blind student totally reliant on a screen reader can use the software, it is a hassle and takes forever with all the links and drop-down menus. So, we end up assisting them, or someone in their family does so. Jean Teresa Wells Haven wrote: >Hi, Gaier. I agree, and frankly that's the tactic I've been trying to >take -- that this should be a usability and student service conversation >rather than a "technical standards and history" debate. However, the >system administrator is insisting on keeping it in the legal realm and >blaming the students for the problem, and the students who so far have >been brave enough to go up the food chain have gotten brow-beaten for >their efforts, so I don't want to subject them to more of the same. At >this point, I'm trying to gather evidence from every possible area, so >any and all "facts" that folks can share would be appreciated. As you >can imagine, this is a multi-million-dollar issue for the campus, so the >person in charge of that feels that he has a great deal to defend and is >reacting accordingly... > >Teresa > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich >Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:26 PM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft > > >It sounds like your best evidence is the students themselves, not >reporting about the students' experiences but actually taking the >students into the office to tell in their own words, and maybe even >demonstrate, the problems they are having. > >Your administrators are asking for "facts," but I suspect that an actual >tuition-paying student is better than pages of "old" (anything before >today) cases. > >Good luck! > >****************************************************** >Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich >High Tech Center Training Unit of the >California Community Colleges >De Anza College, Cupertino, CA >www.htctu.net >408-996-6043 >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Teresa Wells Haven >Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:08 PM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft >Importance: High > >Colleagues, I am in a "discussion" with a member of my university >administration who does not want to believe me that PeopleSoft has a >history of difficulties with accessibility. He would like me to >substantiate my dislike for Peoplesoft, and not surprisingly, a Google >search tends to come up with PeopleSoft's own statements on the matter >("We've been working on this for years," "We conform to Section 508 >regulations") rather than anything contradictory. Does anyone have >anything in the way of "hard evidence" of PeopleSoft's past that I could >share with him -- records of court cases, complaints against the >company, etc.? The more recent, the better, since he is going to take >the stance that they may have had problems in the past but that doesn't >mean they have a problem now, although it won't hurt to show him a long >history of company problems. > >To give you a taste of this "discussion", we currently use a PeopleSoft >product on our campus as our Student Information System. Students who >use screen readers have so much difficulty that most of them get sighted >people to interface with the system for them; I've been complaining >about the system since we implemented it several years ago. The >administrator in question downloaded a demo copy of JAWS last week and >used it to "read" a page (he merely listened to the text while he >visually looked at the screen), at which point he concluded that the >program works "just fine" with JAWS and all the students are really just >having either JAWS technical problems or don't have the necessary JAWS >skills to interact with the program (something he didn't even try for >himself, since "he's not a JAWS expert"). This "discussion" is flaming >up to the Chancellor level very rapidly, so I'd appreciate quick >responses if you have them... > >Thank you in advance, >Teresa > >+++++++++++++++++++++ >Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. >Assistant Director for Assistive Technology >Center for Educational Access >(Formerly Center for Students with Disabilities) >ARKU 104 >University of Arkansas >Fayetteville, AR 72701 >479-575-3104 (voice) >479-575-7445 (fax) >479-575-3646 (tdd) >ada@uark.edu >+++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jeano.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 284 bytes Desc: not available URL: From djbrky at bu.edu Tue Apr 17 13:32:50 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft References: <00ed01c78128$2d8f7600$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E5B0@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Teresa, It's rather amazing really -- and a bit disconcerting -- in just about any other industry a group of consumers coupled with a supporting professional with a terminal degree would have the ear of the company and something would get done (or at least they would be listened to). But in Higher Education they are seen as just pesky whiney students and you are seen as just another Ph.D. with an axe to grind. Ahhh the ivory tower -- ya gotta love it! ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Teresa Wells Haven Sent: Tue 4/17/2007 3:39 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft Hi, Gaier. I agree, and frankly that's the tactic I've been trying to take -- that this should be a usability and student service conversation rather than a "technical standards and history" debate. However, the system administrator is insisting on keeping it in the legal realm and blaming the students for the problem, and the students who so far have been brave enough to go up the food chain have gotten brow-beaten for their efforts, so I don't want to subject them to more of the same. At this point, I'm trying to gather evidence from every possible area, so any and all "facts" that folks can share would be appreciated. As you can imagine, this is a multi-million-dollar issue for the campus, so the person in charge of that feels that he has a great deal to defend and is reacting accordingly... Teresa -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:26 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft It sounds like your best evidence is the students themselves, not reporting about the students' experiences but actually taking the students into the office to tell in their own words, and maybe even demonstrate, the problems they are having. Your administrators are asking for "facts," but I suspect that an actual tuition-paying student is better than pages of "old" (anything before today) cases. Good luck! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa Wells Haven Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft Importance: High Colleagues, I am in a "discussion" with a member of my university administration who does not want to believe me that PeopleSoft has a history of difficulties with accessibility. He would like me to substantiate my dislike for Peoplesoft, and not surprisingly, a Google search tends to come up with PeopleSoft's own statements on the matter ("We've been working on this for years," "We conform to Section 508 regulations") rather than anything contradictory. Does anyone have anything in the way of "hard evidence" of PeopleSoft's past that I could share with him -- records of court cases, complaints against the company, etc.? The more recent, the better, since he is going to take the stance that they may have had problems in the past but that doesn't mean they have a problem now, although it won't hurt to show him a long history of company problems. To give you a taste of this "discussion", we currently use a PeopleSoft product on our campus as our Student Information System. Students who use screen readers have so much difficulty that most of them get sighted people to interface with the system for them; I've been complaining about the system since we implemented it several years ago. The administrator in question downloaded a demo copy of JAWS last week and used it to "read" a page (he merely listened to the text while he visually looked at the screen), at which point he concluded that the program works "just fine" with JAWS and all the students are really just having either JAWS technical problems or don't have the necessary JAWS skills to interact with the program (something he didn't even try for himself, since "he's not a JAWS expert"). This "discussion" is flaming up to the Chancellor level very rapidly, so I'd appreciate quick responses if you have them... Thank you in advance, Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. Assistant Director for Assistive Technology Center for Educational Access (Formerly Center for Students with Disabilities) ARKU 104 University of Arkansas Fayetteville, AR 72701 479-575-3104 (voice) 479-575-7445 (fax) 479-575-3646 (tdd) ada@uark.edu +++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From tlwells at uark.edu Tue Apr 17 14:18:47 2007 From: tlwells at uark.edu (Teresa Wells Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft In-Reply-To: <46252D0F.5070302@uwm.edu> Message-ID: <010201c78135$ff96ef40$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Hi, Jean. Thanks, at least I can tell him that other campuses are also having similar problems; his attitude so far has been "other campuses can't be having these kinds of problems or we would have heard about it, or someone would have done something about it by now..." Teresa -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Jean Salzer Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:25 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft Hi Teresa. Our experience at UW-Milwaukee has been similar: while a blind student totally reliant on a screen reader can use the software, it is a hassle and takes forever with all the links and drop-down menus. So, we end up assisting them, or someone in their family does so. Jean Teresa Wells Haven wrote: >Hi, Gaier. I agree, and frankly that's the tactic I've been trying to >take -- that this should be a usability and student service >conversation rather than a "technical standards and history" debate. >However, the system administrator is insisting on keeping it in the >legal realm and blaming the students for the problem, and the students >who so far have been brave enough to go up the food chain have gotten >brow-beaten for their efforts, so I don't want to subject them to more >of the same. At this point, I'm trying to gather evidence from every >possible area, so any and all "facts" that folks can share would be >appreciated. As you can imagine, this is a multi-million-dollar issue >for the campus, so the person in charge of that feels that he has a >great deal to defend and is reacting accordingly... > >Teresa > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich >Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:26 PM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft > > >It sounds like your best evidence is the students themselves, not >reporting about the students' experiences but actually taking the >students into the office to tell in their own words, and maybe even >demonstrate, the problems they are having. > >Your administrators are asking for "facts," but I suspect that an >actual tuition-paying student is better than pages of "old" (anything >before >today) cases. > >Good luck! > >****************************************************** >Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich >High Tech Center Training Unit of the >California Community Colleges >De Anza College, Cupertino, CA >www.htctu.net >408-996-6043 >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Teresa Wells Haven >Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:08 PM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft >Importance: High > >Colleagues, I am in a "discussion" with a member of my university >administration who does not want to believe me that PeopleSoft has a >history of difficulties with accessibility. He would like me to >substantiate my dislike for Peoplesoft, and not surprisingly, a Google >search tends to come up with PeopleSoft's own statements on the matter >("We've been working on this for years," "We conform to Section 508 >regulations") rather than anything contradictory. Does anyone have >anything in the way of "hard evidence" of PeopleSoft's past that I >could share with him -- records of court cases, complaints against the >company, etc.? The more recent, the better, since he is going to take >the stance that they may have had problems in the past but that doesn't >mean they have a problem now, although it won't hurt to show him a long >history of company problems. > >To give you a taste of this "discussion", we currently use a PeopleSoft >product on our campus as our Student Information System. Students who >use screen readers have so much difficulty that most of them get >sighted people to interface with the system for them; I've been >complaining about the system since we implemented it several years ago. >The administrator in question downloaded a demo copy of JAWS last week >and used it to "read" a page (he merely listened to the text while he >visually looked at the screen), at which point he concluded that the >program works "just fine" with JAWS and all the students are really >just having either JAWS technical problems or don't have the necessary >JAWS skills to interact with the program (something he didn't even try >for himself, since "he's not a JAWS expert"). This "discussion" is >flaming up to the Chancellor level very rapidly, so I'd appreciate >quick responses if you have them... > >Thank you in advance, >Teresa > >+++++++++++++++++++++ >Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. >Assistant Director for Assistive Technology >Center for Educational Access >(Formerly Center for Students with Disabilities) >ARKU 104 >University of Arkansas >Fayetteville, AR 72701 >479-575-3104 (voice) >479-575-7445 (fax) >479-575-3646 (tdd) >ada@uark.edu >+++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > From tlwells at uark.edu Tue Apr 17 14:19:36 2007 From: tlwells at uark.edu (Teresa Wells Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E5B0@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <010301c78136$1cbfd6e0$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Amen. Unfortunately not something I can say to this particular administrator, but you've hit the nail on the head... -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:33 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft Teresa, It's rather amazing really -- and a bit disconcerting -- in just about any other industry a group of consumers coupled with a supporting professional with a terminal degree would have the ear of the company and something would get done (or at least they would be listened to). But in Higher Education they are seen as just pesky whiney students and you are seen as just another Ph.D. with an axe to grind. Ahhh the ivory tower -- ya gotta love it! ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Teresa Wells Haven Sent: Tue 4/17/2007 3:39 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft Hi, Gaier. I agree, and frankly that's the tactic I've been trying to take -- that this should be a usability and student service conversation rather than a "technical standards and history" debate. However, the system administrator is insisting on keeping it in the legal realm and blaming the students for the problem, and the students who so far have been brave enough to go up the food chain have gotten brow-beaten for their efforts, so I don't want to subject them to more of the same. At this point, I'm trying to gather evidence from every possible area, so any and all "facts" that folks can share would be appreciated. As you can imagine, this is a multi-million-dollar issue for the campus, so the person in charge of that feels that he has a great deal to defend and is reacting accordingly... Teresa -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:26 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft It sounds like your best evidence is the students themselves, not reporting about the students' experiences but actually taking the students into the office to tell in their own words, and maybe even demonstrate, the problems they are having. Your administrators are asking for "facts," but I suspect that an actual tuition-paying student is better than pages of "old" (anything before today) cases. Good luck! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa Wells Haven Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft Importance: High Colleagues, I am in a "discussion" with a member of my university administration who does not want to believe me that PeopleSoft has a history of difficulties with accessibility. He would like me to substantiate my dislike for Peoplesoft, and not surprisingly, a Google search tends to come up with PeopleSoft's own statements on the matter ("We've been working on this for years," "We conform to Section 508 regulations") rather than anything contradictory. Does anyone have anything in the way of "hard evidence" of PeopleSoft's past that I could share with him -- records of court cases, complaints against the company, etc.? The more recent, the better, since he is going to take the stance that they may have had problems in the past but that doesn't mean they have a problem now, although it won't hurt to show him a long history of company problems. To give you a taste of this "discussion", we currently use a PeopleSoft product on our campus as our Student Information System. Students who use screen readers have so much difficulty that most of them get sighted people to interface with the system for them; I've been complaining about the system since we implemented it several years ago. The administrator in question downloaded a demo copy of JAWS last week and used it to "read" a page (he merely listened to the text while he visually looked at the screen), at which point he concluded that the program works "just fine" with JAWS and all the students are really just having either JAWS technical problems or don't have the necessary JAWS skills to interact with the program (something he didn't even try for himself, since "he's not a JAWS expert"). This "discussion" is flaming up to the Chancellor level very rapidly, so I'd appreciate quick responses if you have them... Thank you in advance, Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. Assistant Director for Assistive Technology Center for Educational Access (Formerly Center for Students with Disabilities) ARKU 104 University of Arkansas Fayetteville, AR 72701 479-575-3104 (voice) 479-575-7445 (fax) 479-575-3646 (tdd) ada@uark.edu +++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From dmurphy at collegeofthedesert.edu Tue Apr 17 15:13:30 2007 From: dmurphy at collegeofthedesert.edu (Daryl Murphy) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on PeopleSoft In-Reply-To: <00ea01c78123$c6dfe970$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E5AA@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <00ea01c78123$c6dfe970$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Message-ID: <866D94404CE9D049B12203795063D4DC193487@Dccdmail3.dccd.cc.ca.us> If you want hard facts, contact the vendors that make the AT software/hardware and ask them about usability with peoplesoft programs. This way, you have hard facts. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa Wells Haven Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft Importance: High Colleagues, I am in a "discussion" with a member of my university administration who does not want to believe me that PeopleSoft has a history of difficulties with accessibility. He would like me to substantiate my dislike for Peoplesoft, and not surprisingly, a Google search tends to come up with PeopleSoft's own statements on the matter ("We've been working on this for years," "We conform to Section 508 regulations") rather than anything contradictory. Does anyone have anything in the way of "hard evidence" of PeopleSoft's past that I could share with him -- records of court cases, complaints against the company, etc.? The more recent, the better, since he is going to take the stance that they may have had problems in the past but that doesn't mean they have a problem now, although it won't hurt to show him a long history of company problems. To give you a taste of this "discussion", we currently use a PeopleSoft product on our campus as our Student Information System. Students who use screen readers have so much difficulty that most of them get sighted people to interface with the system for them; I've been complaining about the system since we implemented it several years ago. The administrator in question downloaded a demo copy of JAWS last week and used it to "read" a page (he merely listened to the text while he visually looked at the screen), at which point he concluded that the program works "just fine" with JAWS and all the students are really just having either JAWS technical problems or don't have the necessary JAWS skills to interact with the program (something he didn't even try for himself, since "he's not a JAWS expert"). This "discussion" is flaming up to the Chancellor level very rapidly, so I'd appreciate quick responses if you have them... Thank you in advance, Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. Assistant Director for Assistive Technology Center for Educational Access (Formerly Center for Students with Disabilities) ARKU 104 University of Arkansas Fayetteville, AR 72701 479-575-3104 (voice) 479-575-7445 (fax) 479-575-3646 (tdd) ada@uark.edu +++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From jhumbert at purdue.edu Tue Apr 17 17:58:17 2007 From: jhumbert at purdue.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] iTunes U Accessiblity Initiative In-Reply-To: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901256423@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> References: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901256423@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> Message-ID: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C90189A9F9@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> Hi All! Here is the list of those who replied as interested: Dick Banks Saroj Primlani Patrick J. Burke Pratik patel Sarah Horton Lisa Marie Fiedor Kestrell? Mark Hall Sean Keegan Kathleen Cahill Mary Cheng Terry Thompson Jayme Johnson Pratik Dan Comden Chris Doucet John Foliot (possibly) I will let you and everyone know who I have chosen by Monday April 23rd at the latest and begin to setup meeting /teleconference dates. I want to keep the group to 7 plus me. Thank you to all those who volunteered. Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Purdue University - ITaP - TLT Office: STEW 111 Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu Phone: 765-494-4387 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:50 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] iTunes U Accessiblity Initiative Hi All! I was the one who volunteered to lead the charge on the iTunes U Accessibility Initiative. So I am ready to get the ball rolling, but first we need to decide on a few items. 1. I need 5-7 volunteers to be on the committee 2. The committee members need to decide on the Scope of the project 3. The committee needs to define a timeline for the project 4. The committee needs to decide if we want to aim for a competition date to present at ATIA, CSUN or other conferences. I want to get this project under way ASAP. Dan how should we collaborate with CSU on this project? I read the documents and they seem to be a great starting point. Thankx. Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Purdue University - ITaP - TLT Office: STEW 111 Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu Phone: 765-494-4387 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pratikp1 at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 18:11:20 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on PeopleSoft In-Reply-To: <866D94404CE9D049B12203795063D4DC193487@Dccdmail3.dccd.cc.ca.us> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E5AA@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><00ea01c78123$c6dfe970$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> <866D94404CE9D049B12203795063D4DC193487@Dccdmail3.dccd.cc.ca.us> Message-ID: <079f01c78156$79d2b0d0$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> I'm sorry to be such a cynic, but you are not likely to get "hard facts" from most large AT vendors such as Freedom as there is a type of codependence. There is no reason for Freedomscientific to refute PeopleSoft's/Oracle's statements regarding screen reader accessibility. Marketing trumps all considerations in this regard. Besides, Freedom might actually have to do some work. What a concept! You may get some unofficial info from the GW guys. I'm not even sure about AISquared any more. Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Murphy Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 6:14 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on PeopleSoft If you want hard facts, contact the vendors that make the AT software/hardware and ask them about usability with peoplesoft programs. This way, you have hard facts. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa Wells Haven Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft Importance: High Colleagues, I am in a "discussion" with a member of my university administration who does not want to believe me that PeopleSoft has a history of difficulties with accessibility. He would like me to substantiate my dislike for Peoplesoft, and not surprisingly, a Google search tends to come up with PeopleSoft's own statements on the matter ("We've been working on this for years," "We conform to Section 508 regulations") rather than anything contradictory. Does anyone have anything in the way of "hard evidence" of PeopleSoft's past that I could share with him -- records of court cases, complaints against the company, etc.? The more recent, the better, since he is going to take the stance that they may have had problems in the past but that doesn't mean they have a problem now, although it won't hurt to show him a long history of company problems. To give you a taste of this "discussion", we currently use a PeopleSoft product on our campus as our Student Information System. Students who use screen readers have so much difficulty that most of them get sighted people to interface with the system for them; I've been complaining about the system since we implemented it several years ago. The administrator in question downloaded a demo copy of JAWS last week and used it to "read" a page (he merely listened to the text while he visually looked at the screen), at which point he concluded that the program works "just fine" with JAWS and all the students are really just having either JAWS technical problems or don't have the necessary JAWS skills to interact with the program (something he didn't even try for himself, since "he's not a JAWS expert"). This "discussion" is flaming up to the Chancellor level very rapidly, so I'd appreciate quick responses if you have them... Thank you in advance, Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. Assistant Director for Assistive Technology Center for Educational Access (Formerly Center for Students with Disabilities) ARKU 104 University of Arkansas Fayetteville, AR 72701 479-575-3104 (voice) 479-575-7445 (fax) 479-575-3646 (tdd) ada@uark.edu +++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Wed Apr 18 05:34:37 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on PeopleSoft In-Reply-To: <079f01c78156$79d2b0d0$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E5AA@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><00ea01c78123$c6dfe970$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> <866D94404CE9D049B12203795063D4DC193487@Dccdmail3.dccd.cc.ca.us> <079f01c78156$79d2b0d0$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> Message-ID: <014701c781b6$03680c50$0a3824f0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> I will talk to our development staff as well, we do a lot of custom design work for MIS type software. I belive Norm Coombs had some interactions with PeopleSoft but it may be dated. My guess is that the package may well conform to the Section 508 spec but as we all hopefully know at this point that is meaningless from a usability perspective. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 9:11 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on PeopleSoft I'm sorry to be such a cynic, but you are not likely to get "hard facts" from most large AT vendors such as Freedom as there is a type of codependence. There is no reason for Freedomscientific to refute PeopleSoft's/Oracle's statements regarding screen reader accessibility. Marketing trumps all considerations in this regard. Besides, Freedom might actually have to do some work. What a concept! You may get some unofficial info from the GW guys. I'm not even sure about AISquared any more. Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Murphy Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 6:14 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on PeopleSoft If you want hard facts, contact the vendors that make the AT software/hardware and ask them about usability with peoplesoft programs. This way, you have hard facts. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa Wells Haven Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft Importance: High Colleagues, I am in a "discussion" with a member of my university administration who does not want to believe me that PeopleSoft has a history of difficulties with accessibility. He would like me to substantiate my dislike for Peoplesoft, and not surprisingly, a Google search tends to come up with PeopleSoft's own statements on the matter ("We've been working on this for years," "We conform to Section 508 regulations") rather than anything contradictory. Does anyone have anything in the way of "hard evidence" of PeopleSoft's past that I could share with him -- records of court cases, complaints against the company, etc.? The more recent, the better, since he is going to take the stance that they may have had problems in the past but that doesn't mean they have a problem now, although it won't hurt to show him a long history of company problems. To give you a taste of this "discussion", we currently use a PeopleSoft product on our campus as our Student Information System. Students who use screen readers have so much difficulty that most of them get sighted people to interface with the system for them; I've been complaining about the system since we implemented it several years ago. The administrator in question downloaded a demo copy of JAWS last week and used it to "read" a page (he merely listened to the text while he visually looked at the screen), at which point he concluded that the program works "just fine" with JAWS and all the students are really just having either JAWS technical problems or don't have the necessary JAWS skills to interact with the program (something he didn't even try for himself, since "he's not a JAWS expert"). This "discussion" is flaming up to the Chancellor level very rapidly, so I'd appreciate quick responses if you have them... Thank you in advance, Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. Assistant Director for Assistive Technology Center for Educational Access (Formerly Center for Students with Disabilities) ARKU 104 University of Arkansas Fayetteville, AR 72701 479-575-3104 (voice) 479-575-7445 (fax) 479-575-3646 (tdd) ada@uark.edu +++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From tlwells at uark.edu Wed Apr 18 05:48:27 2007 From: tlwells at uark.edu (Teresa Wells Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on PeopleSoft In-Reply-To: <014701c781b6$03680c50$0a3824f0$%stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <002601c781b7$df48b1b0$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> That's the exact direction I've been trying to take the conversation -- that whether or not the product conforms to 508, the usability is atrocious. It's bad even for users without disabilities, and for those who rely on AT, it's abominable. The lead administrator wants to keep the conversation in the legal realm to protect his reputation, which is really sad because we're not accusing him of wrongdoing, just asking for understanding of the user perspective. And since literally almost every person affiliated with this campus (student, staff, faculty, and administrator) is required to use the system, you'd think he'd have an interest in making it more user-friendly... I'd appreciate anything you want to share, either on- or off-list. Thanks, Teresa -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 7:35 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on PeopleSoft I will talk to our development staff as well, we do a lot of custom design work for MIS type software. I belive Norm Coombs had some interactions with PeopleSoft but it may be dated. My guess is that the package may well conform to the Section 508 spec but as we all hopefully know at this point that is meaningless from a usability perspective. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 9:11 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on PeopleSoft I'm sorry to be such a cynic, but you are not likely to get "hard facts" from most large AT vendors such as Freedom as there is a type of codependence. There is no reason for Freedomscientific to refute PeopleSoft's/Oracle's statements regarding screen reader accessibility. Marketing trumps all considerations in this regard. Besides, Freedom might actually have to do some work. What a concept! You may get some unofficial info from the GW guys. I'm not even sure about AISquared any more. Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Daryl Murphy Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 6:14 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on PeopleSoft If you want hard facts, contact the vendors that make the AT software/hardware and ask them about usability with peoplesoft programs. This way, you have hard facts. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa Wells Haven Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft Importance: High Colleagues, I am in a "discussion" with a member of my university administration who does not want to believe me that PeopleSoft has a history of difficulties with accessibility. He would like me to substantiate my dislike for Peoplesoft, and not surprisingly, a Google search tends to come up with PeopleSoft's own statements on the matter ("We've been working on this for years," "We conform to Section 508 regulations") rather than anything contradictory. Does anyone have anything in the way of "hard evidence" of PeopleSoft's past that I could share with him -- records of court cases, complaints against the company, etc.? The more recent, the better, since he is going to take the stance that they may have had problems in the past but that doesn't mean they have a problem now, although it won't hurt to show him a long history of company problems. To give you a taste of this "discussion", we currently use a PeopleSoft product on our campus as our Student Information System. Students who use screen readers have so much difficulty that most of them get sighted people to interface with the system for them; I've been complaining about the system since we implemented it several years ago. The administrator in question downloaded a demo copy of JAWS last week and used it to "read" a page (he merely listened to the text while he visually looked at the screen), at which point he concluded that the program works "just fine" with JAWS and all the students are really just having either JAWS technical problems or don't have the necessary JAWS skills to interact with the program (something he didn't even try for himself, since "he's not a JAWS expert"). This "discussion" is flaming up to the Chancellor level very rapidly, so I'd appreciate quick responses if you have them... Thank you in advance, Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. Assistant Director for Assistive Technology Center for Educational Access (Formerly Center for Students with Disabilities) ARKU 104 University of Arkansas Fayetteville, AR 72701 479-575-3104 (voice) 479-575-7445 (fax) 479-575-3646 (tdd) ada@uark.edu +++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Apr 19 06:16:22 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: [nabs] OT: survey Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711602502D08@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> The following item of interest is being forwarded from a student on the National Alliance of Blind Students Email list. The following e-mail explains her work. I took the surveys and found them and this research to be very interesting. Cheers --- Dann -----Original Message----- From: Tasha Raella Chemel [mailto:tashiegirl@rcn.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 Subject: [nabs] OT: survey Hi all, As part of my linguistics class at Brown, I am conducting a survey on the emotional qualities people perceive when listening to a speech synthesiser. My online survey should take you no more than 20 minutes to complete and I would really appreciate your help. The links to the survey are below. Please choose either the July to December or the January to June link based on your birth month. If you have any questions about the survey, please feel free to email me at tasha_chemel@brown.edu. Also, please feel free to pass this on to any one you think would be intrested (blind or sighted). Tasha Jan-June: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=454843671754 July-Dec: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=103063672407 From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Apr 19 07:28:16 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Liz Bottner research (acessible survey) In-Reply-To: <200704141634.EET38021@UDel.Edu> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711602502E91@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Liz, I am sharing this e-mail with colleagues from the Access Technologist Higher Education Network. Several members have been working on the issue of accessible web-based survey tools and perhaps one of them can offer assistance or at least discuss this with you further. Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: Liz Bottner [mailto:lizb@udel.edu] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:34 PM To: Berkowitz, Daniel J Subject: My research Hi Dann: I want to thank you for responding to my post regarding my research. The topic of information access is of most interest to me, and is of great importance not only to myself, but, I feel, to everyone, and is definitely worth researching. I myself use a combination of Braille and computer/assistive technology in order to obtain that access. Information should be available to everyone, not just one specific sect of the population, and I strongly believe that the combination of using Braille and assistive technology together, and not just either one or the other alone, helps close that information gap. Some things are easier to do with hardcopy Braille, such as skimming a document, finding specific pages, and even proofreading, whereas computer/assistive technology is a better solution in other instances; completing assignments, access to the Internet, and reading books that would otherwise be too huge to carry around were they in multiple Braille volumes. (Instead of only being able to carry around one book or part of a book, we can carry around thousands of books either on our laptop computers or portable note taking devices). Some find that by listening to speech, they can also read faster than were they to read the same thing in Braille. These are some of my thoughts and opinions on the topic, at any rate, to give you an idea of my take on things and where I'm trying to go with my research, which I hopefully have been able to do. Regarding a survey, I would love to be able to implement an online survey as that would probably be easier for people to answer and I'm guessing also easier for me to compile the responses once people have completed it. In that, though, I have no idea how to go about creating one. For previous surveys, I have just written out a Microsoft Word document of the survey and stored each person's completed survey in a particular folder on my computer, organizing things that way. If you would be able to help me create an online survey or know of someone who would be willing, I would be greatly interested. I have an idea of the questions I want to ask, (the survey really isn't that involved and shouldn't be that long), so perhaps making it available online wouldn't be that hard to do? I don't know. Thank you, take care, and whatever help or suggestions you would be able to offer me in completing my research is greatly appreciated. Thanks again, Liz Email: lizb@udel.edu Visit my Live Journal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Apr 19 07:58:35 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] MP3 players In-Reply-To: A Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711602502F51@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Tabitha, I am forwarding this message to the ATHEN Access Technologist Higher Education Network e-mail list. I believe one or more members are working on such questions. ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >-----Original Message----- >From: Disabled Student Services in Higher Education [mailto:DSSHE- >L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of tabitha buggie-hunt >Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:50 AM >To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: MP3 players > >Hello all, > >Ok..I am just getting to the point where I have learned how to make >books into MP3 files. Now, what is the best device for playing them >on-if you are a student who wants to carry them around on an MP3 player? > >I am looking for something with LOTS of space (obviously). But also >something that is fairly easy to use-keeping in mind that this is for >a visually impaired student so reading the screen of an MP3 player is >going to be tough-though not impossible. > >Thank you!! >Tabitha > >Tabitha Buggie-Hunt tbuggieh@geneseo.edu >Assistant Dean of the College/ >Director, Office of Disability Services voice (585) 245-5112 >SUNY Geneseo relay 1-800-421-1220 >1 College Circle 106A Erwin fax (585) 245-5032 >Geneseo, New York 14454 > >This list is intended to serve as a forum for higher education >professionals involved in the delivery of services to students with >disabilities in higher education. Any commercial posts or posts that are >deemed by the listowner to be inappropriate for the list will result in the >poster being removed from the list. > >To sign off the list, send a message to >* listserv@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu >* with the message >* Unsubscribe dsshe-L >To search the archives, go to >http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/dsshe-l.html >Questions? Contact Listowner Dan Ryan at dryan@buffalo.edu From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Apr 19 09:10:12 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] National day of support for VT Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C71160258DC65@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Everyone is invited to demonstrate their solidarity with the Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University community tomorrow (Friday) by wearing orange and maroon, the colors of Virginia Tech. This is part of a national effort being organized by the Virginia Tech Alumni Association to encourage Americans to show support for the university, especially for the victims and their families. From tlwells at uark.edu Thu Apr 19 09:18:07 2007 From: tlwells at uark.edu (Teresa Wells Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Liz Bottner research (acessible survey) In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711602502E91@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <006301c7829e$50d50590$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Dann, as it so happens I'm working my way through www.surveyz.com today to try to determine the level of accessibility of their survey tool/service. Does anyone out there in ATHEN already have experience/comments with SurveyZ? At the moment it's appearing fairly good to me, but haven't yet had much time to play with it... Thanks, Teresa -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:28 AM To: Liz Bottner Cc: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Liz Bottner research (acessible survey) Liz, I am sharing this e-mail with colleagues from the Access Technologist Higher Education Network. Several members have been working on the issue of accessible web-based survey tools and perhaps one of them can offer assistance or at least discuss this with you further. Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability _____ From: Liz Bottner [mailto:lizb@udel.edu] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:34 PM To: Berkowitz, Daniel J Subject: My research Hi Dann: I want to thank you for responding to my post regarding my research. The topic of information access is of most interest to me, and is of great importance not only to myself, but, I feel, to everyone, and is definitely worth researching. I myself use a combination of Braille and computer/assistive technology in order to obtain that access. Information should be available to everyone, not just one specific sect of the population, and I strongly believe that the combination of using Braille and assistive technology together, and not just either one or the other alone, helps close that information gap. Some things are easier to do with hardcopy Braille, such as skimming a document, finding specific pages, and even proofreading, whereas computer/assistive technology is a better solution in other instances; completing assignments, access to the Internet, and reading books that would otherwise be too huge to carry around were they in multiple Braille volumes. (Instead of only being able to carry around one book or part of a book, we can carry around thousands of books either on our laptop computers or portable note taking devices). Some find that by listening to speech, they can also read faster than were they to read the same thing in Braille. These are some of my thoughts and opinions on the topic, at any rate, to give you an idea of my take on things and where I'm trying to go with my research, which I hopefully have been able to do. Regarding a survey, I would love to be able to implement an online survey as that would probably be easier for people to answer and I'm guessing also easier for me to compile the responses once people have completed it. In that, though, I have no idea how to go about creating one. For previous surveys, I have just written out a Microsoft Word document of the survey and stored each person's completed survey in a particular folder on my computer, organizing things that way. If you would be able to help me create an online survey or know of someone who would be willing, I would be greatly interested. I have an idea of the questions I want to ask, (the survey really isn't that involved and shouldn't be that long), so perhaps making it available online wouldn't be that hard to do? I don't know. Thank you, take care, and whatever help or suggestions you would be able to offer me in completing my research is greatly appreciated. Thanks again, Liz Email: lizb@udel.edu Visit my Live Journal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From FosterS at sou.edu Thu Apr 19 10:17:55 2007 From: FosterS at sou.edu (Shawn Foster) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Liz Bottner research (acessible survey) In-Reply-To: <006301c7829e$50d50590$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711602502E91@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <006301c7829e$50d50590$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Message-ID: <462741D3.82C6.005A.0@sou.edu> Teresa: I tried it out with a couple of my more savvy students. The ZoomText user reported no problems... but then his response never logged because he missed the "submit" button! The JAWS user was extremely frustrated and had to have sighted assistance to complete the survey. I contacted the developers. At least one seems to be interested in receiving some feedback from AT users. Of course, that doesn't guarantee action! Shawn Foster Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Services for Students Southern Oregon University email: fosters@sou.edu phone: (541)552-6213 Office hours: 8-2, M-F >>> On 4/19/2007 at 9:18 AM, in message <006301c7829e$50d50590$07d2b882@CSDAdTech>, Teresa Wells Haven wrote: Dann, as it so happens I'm working my way through www.surveyz.com ( http://www.surveyz.com/ ) today to try to determine the level of accessibility of their survey tool/service. Does anyone out there in ATHEN already have experience/comments with SurveyZ? At the moment it's appearing fairly good to me, but haven't yet had much time to play with it... Thanks, Teresa -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:28 AM To: Liz Bottner Cc: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Liz Bottner research (acessible survey) Liz, I am sharing this e-mail with colleagues from the Access Technologist Higher Education Network. Several members have been working on the issue of accessible web-based survey tools and perhaps one of them can offer assistance or at least discuss this with you further. Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability From:Liz Bottner [mailto:lizb@udel.edu] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:34 PM To: Berkowitz, Daniel J Subject: My research Hi Dann: I want to thank you for responding to my post regarding my research. The topic of information access is of most interest to me, and is of great importance not only to myself, but, I feel, to everyone, and is definitely worth researching. I myself use a combination of Braille and computer/assistive technology in order to obtain that access. Information should be available to everyone, not just one specific sect of the population, and I strongly believe that the combination of using Braille and assistive technology together, and not just either one or the other alone, helps close that information gap. Some things are easier to do with hardcopy Braille, such as skimming a document, finding specific pages, and even proofreading, whereas computer/assistive technology is a better solution in other instances; completing assignments, access to the Internet, and reading books that would otherwise be too huge to carry around were they in multiple Braille volumes. (Instead of only being able to carry around one book or part of a book, we can carry around thousands of books either on our laptop computers or portable note taking devices). Some find that by listening to speech, they can also read faster than were they to read the same thing in Braille. These are some of my thoughts and opinions on the topic, at any rate, to give you an idea of my take on things and where I?m trying to go with my research, which I hopefully have been able to do. Regarding a survey, I would love to be able to implement an online survey as that would probably be easier for people to answer and I?m guessing also easier for me to compile the responses once people have completed it. In that, though, I have no idea how to go about creating one. For previous surveys, I have just written out a Microsoft Word document of the survey and stored each person?s completed survey in a particular folder on my computer, organizing things that way. If you would be able to help me create an online survey or know of someone who would be willing, I would be greatly interested. I have an idea of the questions I want to ask, (the survey really isn?t that involved and shouldn?t be that long), so perhaps making it available online wouldn?t be that hard to do? I don?t know. Thank you, take care, and whatever help or suggestions you would be able to offer me in completing my research is greatly appreciated. Thanks again, Liz Email: lizb@udel.edu Visit my Live Journal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com ( http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com/ ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From goodman at eri-wi.org Thu Apr 19 10:45:24 2007 From: goodman at eri-wi.org (Phillip Goodman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] MP3 players In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711602502F51@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <004901c782aa$827a68e0$6900a8c0@eriwi.local> Is there some reason the student can't use a Victor Reader WAVE and store the MP3's on CD? The Wave has a pretty big screen. Even as MP3's books can get quite large and I don't know how much space you can actually expect to get on a player of this type. Unfortunately Humanware hasn't gotten around to including a direct USB input port on these animals. That would allow the use of the huge capacity external hard drives we have these days. Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR Assistive Technology Consultant Employment Resources, Inc. 4126 Lien Rd. Madison, WI 53704 608-246-3444 ext.234 fax 608-246-3445 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:59 AM To: tabitha buggie-hunt Cc: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MP3 players Tabitha, I am forwarding this message to the ATHEN Access Technologist Higher Education Network e-mail list. I believe one or more members are working on such questions. ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >-----Original Message----- >From: Disabled Student Services in Higher Education [mailto:DSSHE- >L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of tabitha buggie-hunt >Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:50 AM >To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: MP3 players > >Hello all, > >Ok..I am just getting to the point where I have learned how to make >books into MP3 files. Now, what is the best device for playing them >on-if you are a student who wants to carry them around on an MP3 player? > >I am looking for something with LOTS of space (obviously). But also >something that is fairly easy to use-keeping in mind that this is for >a visually impaired student so reading the screen of an MP3 player is >going to be tough-though not impossible. > >Thank you!! >Tabitha > >Tabitha Buggie-Hunt tbuggieh@geneseo.edu >Assistant Dean of the College/ >Director, Office of Disability Services voice (585) 245-5112 >SUNY Geneseo relay 1-800-421-1220 >1 College Circle 106A Erwin fax (585) 245-5032 >Geneseo, New York 14454 > >This list is intended to serve as a forum for higher education >professionals involved in the delivery of services to students with >disabilities in higher education. Any commercial posts or posts that are >deemed by the listowner to be inappropriate for the list will result in the >poster being removed from the list. > >To sign off the list, send a message to >* listserv@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu >* with the message >* Unsubscribe dsshe-L >To search the archives, go to >http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/dsshe-l.html >Questions? Contact Listowner Dan Ryan at dryan@buffalo.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlwells at uark.edu Thu Apr 19 10:43:59 2007 From: tlwells at uark.edu (Teresa Wells Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Liz Bottner research (acessible survey) In-Reply-To: <462741D3.82C6.005A.0@sou.edu> Message-ID: <00ad01c782aa$526217c0$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Thanks, Shawn. I hadn't yet tried it with JAWS; I'm a keyboard user and had so far been able to make my way thru the site using no mouse, although some pages had so many links and so much content that I knew they would be hellacious to listen through with JAWS. I had only found one graphic without a meaningful alt tag, which also had my hopes up. But guess this means I won't be using or recommending this company... at least not yet. Will keep my hopes up that they take the feedback seriously, and I'll share some with them as well. Thanks! Teresa -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Foster Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:18 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Liz Bottner research (acessible survey) Teresa: I tried it out with a couple of my more savvy students. The ZoomText user reported no problems... but then his response never logged because he missed the "submit" button! The JAWS user was extremely frustrated and had to have sighted assistance to complete the survey. I contacted the developers. At least one seems to be interested in receiving some feedback from AT users. Of course, that doesn't guarantee action! Shawn Foster Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Services for Students Southern Oregon University email: fosters@sou.edu phone: (541)552-6213 Office hours: 8-2, M-F >>> On 4/19/2007 at 9:18 AM, in message <006301c7829e$50d50590$07d2b882@CSDAdTech>, Teresa Wells Haven wrote: Dann, as it so happens I'm working my way through www.surveyz.com today to try to determine the level of accessibility of their survey tool/service. Does anyone out there in ATHEN already have experience/comments with SurveyZ? At the moment it's appearing fairly good to me, but haven't yet had much time to play with it... Thanks, Teresa -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:28 AM To: Liz Bottner Cc: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Liz Bottner research (acessible survey) Liz, I am sharing this e-mail with colleagues from the Access Technologist Higher Education Network. Several members have been working on the issue of accessible web-based survey tools and perhaps one of them can offer assistance or at least discuss this with you further. Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability _____ From: Liz Bottner [mailto:lizb@udel.edu] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:34 PM To: Berkowitz, Daniel J Subject: My research Hi Dann: I want to thank you for responding to my post regarding my research. The topic of information access is of most interest to me, and is of great importance not only to myself, but, I feel, to everyone, and is definitely worth researching. I myself use a combination of Braille and computer/assistive technology in order to obtain that access. Information should be available to everyone, not just one specific sect of the population, and I strongly believe that the combination of using Braille and assistive technology together, and not just either one or the other alone, helps close that information gap. Some things are easier to do with hardcopy Braille, such as skimming a document, finding specific pages, and even proofreading, whereas computer/assistive technology is a better solution in other instances; completing assignments, access to the Internet, and reading books that would otherwise be too huge to carry around were they in multiple Braille volumes. (Instead of only being able to carry around one book or part of a book, we can carry around thousands of books either on our laptop computers or portable note taking devices). Some find that by listening to speech, they can also read faster than were they to read the same thing in Braille. These are some of my thoughts and opinions on the topic, at any rate, to give you an idea of my take on things and where I'm trying to go with my research, which I hopefully have been able to do. Regarding a survey, I would love to be able to implement an online survey as that would probably be easier for people to answer and I'm guessing also easier for me to compile the responses once people have completed it. In that, though, I have no idea how to go about creating one. For previous surveys, I have just written out a Microsoft Word document of the survey and stored each person's completed survey in a particular folder on my computer, organizing things that way. If you would be able to help me create an online survey or know of someone who would be willing, I would be greatly interested. I have an idea of the questions I want to ask, (the survey really isn't that involved and shouldn't be that long), so perhaps making it available online wouldn't be that hard to do? I don't know. Thank you, take care, and whatever help or suggestions you would be able to offer me in completing my research is greatly appreciated. Thanks again, Liz Email: lizb@udel.edu Visit my Live Journal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu Thu Apr 19 11:33:38 2007 From: saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu (Saroj Primlani) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Facts on PeopleSoft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000d01c782b1$3f492910$dcc30798@sarojnewlaptop> I wanted to confirm this before I replied. NC State Campus is moving towards web-based user interface for all administration resources and they are creating a web-based UI to most of the Peoplesoft applications. The accessibility of the user interface is addressed by our Web Page Regulations and the Peoplesoft developers on campus work to make the web UI, especially those areas used by students, as functionally accessible/usable as possible. Saroj _________________________________ Saroj Primlani Coordinator of University IT Accessibility ITD 919 513 4087 http://ncsu.edu/it/access -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of athen-request@athenpro.org Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:19 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 15, Issue 26 Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft (Teresa Wells Haven) 2. Re: Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft (Gaeir Dietrich) 3. Re: Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft (Teresa Wells Haven) 4. Re: Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft (Jean Salzer) 5. Re: Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft (Berkowitz, Daniel J) 6. Re: Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft (Teresa Wells Haven) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:08:26 -0500 From: Teresa Wells Haven Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Message-ID: <00ea01c78123$c6dfe970$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Colleagues, I am in a "discussion" with a member of my university administration who does not want to believe me that PeopleSoft has a history of difficulties with accessibility. He would like me to substantiate my dislike for Peoplesoft, and not surprisingly, a Google search tends to come up with PeopleSoft's own statements on the matter ("We've been working on this for years," "We conform to Section 508 regulations") rather than anything contradictory. Does anyone have anything in the way of "hard evidence" of PeopleSoft's past that I could share with him -- records of court cases, complaints against the company, etc.? The more recent, the better, since he is going to take the stance that they may have had problems in the past but that doesn't mean they have a problem now, although it won't hurt to show him a long history of company problems. To give you a taste of this "discussion", we currently use a PeopleSoft product on our campus as our Student Information System. Students who use screen readers have so much difficulty that most of them get sighted people to interface with the system for them; I've been complaining about the system since we implemented it several years ago. The administrator in question downloaded a demo copy of JAWS last week and used it to "read" a page (he merely listened to the text while he visually looked at the screen), at which point he concluded that the program works "just fine" with JAWS and all the students are really just having either JAWS technical problems or don't have the necessary JAWS skills to interact with the program (something he didn't even try for himself, since "he's not a JAWS expert"). This "discussion" is flaming up to the Chancellor level very rapidly, so I'd appreciate quick responses if you have them... Thank you in advance, Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. Assistant Director for Assistive Technology Center for Educational Access (Formerly Center for Students with Disabilities) ARKU 104 University of Arkansas Fayetteville, AR 72701 479-575-3104 (voice) 479-575-7445 (fax) 479-575-3646 (tdd) ada@uark.edu +++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:25:55 -0700 From: "Gaeir Dietrich" Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <000601c78126$38f09620$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It sounds like your best evidence is the students themselves, not reporting about the students' experiences but actually taking the students into the office to tell in their own words, and maybe even demonstrate, the problems they are having. Your administrators are asking for "facts," but I suspect that an actual tuition-paying student is better than pages of "old" (anything before today) cases. Good luck! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa Wells Haven Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft Importance: High Colleagues, I am in a "discussion" with a member of my university administration who does not want to believe me that PeopleSoft has a history of difficulties with accessibility. He would like me to substantiate my dislike for Peoplesoft, and not surprisingly, a Google search tends to come up with PeopleSoft's own statements on the matter ("We've been working on this for years," "We conform to Section 508 regulations") rather than anything contradictory. Does anyone have anything in the way of "hard evidence" of PeopleSoft's past that I could share with him -- records of court cases, complaints against the company, etc.? The more recent, the better, since he is going to take the stance that they may have had problems in the past but that doesn't mean they have a problem now, although it won't hurt to show him a long history of company problems. To give you a taste of this "discussion", we currently use a PeopleSoft product on our campus as our Student Information System. Students who use screen readers have so much difficulty that most of them get sighted people to interface with the system for them; I've been complaining about the system since we implemented it several years ago. The administrator in question downloaded a demo copy of JAWS last week and used it to "read" a page (he merely listened to the text while he visually looked at the screen), at which point he concluded that the program works "just fine" with JAWS and all the students are really just having either JAWS technical problems or don't have the necessary JAWS skills to interact with the program (something he didn't even try for himself, since "he's not a JAWS expert"). This "discussion" is flaming up to the Chancellor level very rapidly, so I'd appreciate quick responses if you have them... Thank you in advance, Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. Assistant Director for Assistive Technology Center for Educational Access (Formerly Center for Students with Disabilities) ARKU 104 University of Arkansas Fayetteville, AR 72701 479-575-3104 (voice) 479-575-7445 (fax) 479-575-3646 (tdd) ada@uark.edu +++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:39:51 -0500 From: Teresa Wells Haven Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Message-ID: <00ed01c78128$2d8f7600$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, Gaier. I agree, and frankly that's the tactic I've been trying to take -- that this should be a usability and student service conversation rather than a "technical standards and history" debate. However, the system administrator is insisting on keeping it in the legal realm and blaming the students for the problem, and the students who so far have been brave enough to go up the food chain have gotten brow-beaten for their efforts, so I don't want to subject them to more of the same. At this point, I'm trying to gather evidence from every possible area, so any and all "facts" that folks can share would be appreciated. As you can imagine, this is a multi-million-dollar issue for the campus, so the person in charge of that feels that he has a great deal to defend and is reacting accordingly... Teresa -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:26 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft It sounds like your best evidence is the students themselves, not reporting about the students' experiences but actually taking the students into the office to tell in their own words, and maybe even demonstrate, the problems they are having. Your administrators are asking for "facts," but I suspect that an actual tuition-paying student is better than pages of "old" (anything before today) cases. Good luck! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa Wells Haven Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft Importance: High Colleagues, I am in a "discussion" with a member of my university administration who does not want to believe me that PeopleSoft has a history of difficulties with accessibility. He would like me to substantiate my dislike for Peoplesoft, and not surprisingly, a Google search tends to come up with PeopleSoft's own statements on the matter ("We've been working on this for years," "We conform to Section 508 regulations") rather than anything contradictory. Does anyone have anything in the way of "hard evidence" of PeopleSoft's past that I could share with him -- records of court cases, complaints against the company, etc.? The more recent, the better, since he is going to take the stance that they may have had problems in the past but that doesn't mean they have a problem now, although it won't hurt to show him a long history of company problems. To give you a taste of this "discussion", we currently use a PeopleSoft product on our campus as our Student Information System. Students who use screen readers have so much difficulty that most of them get sighted people to interface with the system for them; I've been complaining about the system since we implemented it several years ago. The administrator in question downloaded a demo copy of JAWS last week and used it to "read" a page (he merely listened to the text while he visually looked at the screen), at which point he concluded that the program works "just fine" with JAWS and all the students are really just having either JAWS technical problems or don't have the necessary JAWS skills to interact with the program (something he didn't even try for himself, since "he's not a JAWS expert"). This "discussion" is flaming up to the Chancellor level very rapidly, so I'd appreciate quick responses if you have them... Thank you in advance, Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. Assistant Director for Assistive Technology Center for Educational Access (Formerly Center for Students with Disabilities) ARKU 104 University of Arkansas Fayetteville, AR 72701 479-575-3104 (voice) 479-575-7445 (fax) 479-575-3646 (tdd) ada@uark.edu +++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:24:47 -0500 From: Jean Salzer Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Message-ID: <46252D0F.5070302@uwm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Teresa. Our experience at UW-Milwaukee has been similar: while a blind student totally reliant on a screen reader can use the software, it is a hassle and takes forever with all the links and drop-down menus. So, we end up assisting them, or someone in their family does so. Jean Teresa Wells Haven wrote: >Hi, Gaier. I agree, and frankly that's the tactic I've been trying to >take -- that this should be a usability and student service conversation >rather than a "technical standards and history" debate. However, the >system administrator is insisting on keeping it in the legal realm and >blaming the students for the problem, and the students who so far have >been brave enough to go up the food chain have gotten brow-beaten for >their efforts, so I don't want to subject them to more of the same. At >this point, I'm trying to gather evidence from every possible area, so >any and all "facts" that folks can share would be appreciated. As you >can imagine, this is a multi-million-dollar issue for the campus, so the >person in charge of that feels that he has a great deal to defend and is >reacting accordingly... > >Teresa > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich >Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:26 PM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft > > >It sounds like your best evidence is the students themselves, not >reporting about the students' experiences but actually taking the >students into the office to tell in their own words, and maybe even >demonstrate, the problems they are having. > >Your administrators are asking for "facts," but I suspect that an actual >tuition-paying student is better than pages of "old" (anything before >today) cases. > >Good luck! > >****************************************************** >Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich >High Tech Center Training Unit of the >California Community Colleges >De Anza College, Cupertino, CA >www.htctu.net >408-996-6043 >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Teresa Wells Haven >Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:08 PM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft >Importance: High > >Colleagues, I am in a "discussion" with a member of my university >administration who does not want to believe me that PeopleSoft has a >history of difficulties with accessibility. He would like me to >substantiate my dislike for Peoplesoft, and not surprisingly, a Google >search tends to come up with PeopleSoft's own statements on the matter >("We've been working on this for years," "We conform to Section 508 >regulations") rather than anything contradictory. Does anyone have >anything in the way of "hard evidence" of PeopleSoft's past that I could >share with him -- records of court cases, complaints against the >company, etc.? The more recent, the better, since he is going to take >the stance that they may have had problems in the past but that doesn't >mean they have a problem now, although it won't hurt to show him a long >history of company problems. > >To give you a taste of this "discussion", we currently use a PeopleSoft >product on our campus as our Student Information System. Students who >use screen readers have so much difficulty that most of them get sighted >people to interface with the system for them; I've been complaining >about the system since we implemented it several years ago. The >administrator in question downloaded a demo copy of JAWS last week and >used it to "read" a page (he merely listened to the text while he >visually looked at the screen), at which point he concluded that the >program works "just fine" with JAWS and all the students are really just >having either JAWS technical problems or don't have the necessary JAWS >skills to interact with the program (something he didn't even try for >himself, since "he's not a JAWS expert"). This "discussion" is flaming >up to the Chancellor level very rapidly, so I'd appreciate quick >responses if you have them... > >Thank you in advance, >Teresa > >+++++++++++++++++++++ >Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. >Assistant Director for Assistive Technology >Center for Educational Access >(Formerly Center for Students with Disabilities) >ARKU 104 >University of Arkansas >Fayetteville, AR 72701 >479-575-3104 (voice) >479-575-7445 (fax) >479-575-3646 (tdd) >ada@uark.edu >+++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jeano.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 284 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20070417/64368f4a/attachment-0001. vcf ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:32:50 -0400 From: "Berkowitz, Daniel J" Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" , "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E5B0@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Teresa, It's rather amazing really -- and a bit disconcerting -- in just about any other industry a group of consumers coupled with a supporting professional with a terminal degree would have the ear of the company and something would get done (or at least they would be listened to). But in Higher Education they are seen as just pesky whiney students and you are seen as just another Ph.D. with an axe to grind. Ahhh the ivory tower -- ya gotta love it! ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Teresa Wells Haven Sent: Tue 4/17/2007 3:39 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft Hi, Gaier. I agree, and frankly that's the tactic I've been trying to take -- that this should be a usability and student service conversation rather than a "technical standards and history" debate. However, the system administrator is insisting on keeping it in the legal realm and blaming the students for the problem, and the students who so far have been brave enough to go up the food chain have gotten brow-beaten for their efforts, so I don't want to subject them to more of the same. At this point, I'm trying to gather evidence from every possible area, so any and all "facts" that folks can share would be appreciated. As you can imagine, this is a multi-million-dollar issue for the campus, so the person in charge of that feels that he has a great deal to defend and is reacting accordingly... Teresa -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:26 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft It sounds like your best evidence is the students themselves, not reporting about the students' experiences but actually taking the students into the office to tell in their own words, and maybe even demonstrate, the problems they are having. Your administrators are asking for "facts," but I suspect that an actual tuition-paying student is better than pages of "old" (anything before today) cases. Good luck! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa Wells Haven Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:08 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft Importance: High Colleagues, I am in a "discussion" with a member of my university administration who does not want to believe me that PeopleSoft has a history of difficulties with accessibility. He would like me to substantiate my dislike for Peoplesoft, and not surprisingly, a Google search tends to come up with PeopleSoft's own statements on the matter ("We've been working on this for years," "We conform to Section 508 regulations") rather than anything contradictory. Does anyone have anything in the way of "hard evidence" of PeopleSoft's past that I could share with him -- records of court cases, complaints against the company, etc.? The more recent, the better, since he is going to take the stance that they may have had problems in the past but that doesn't mean they have a problem now, although it won't hurt to show him a long history of company problems. To give you a taste of this "discussion", we currently use a PeopleSoft product on our campus as our Student Information System. Students who use screen readers have so much difficulty that most of them get sighted people to interface with the system for them; I've been complaining about the system since we implemented it several years ago. The administrator in question downloaded a demo copy of JAWS last week and used it to "read" a page (he merely listened to the text while he visually looked at the screen), at which point he concluded that the program works "just fine" with JAWS and all the students are really just having either JAWS technical problems or don't have the necessary JAWS skills to interact with the program (something he didn't even try for himself, since "he's not a JAWS expert"). This "discussion" is flaming up to the Chancellor level very rapidly, so I'd appreciate quick responses if you have them... Thank you in advance, Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. Assistant Director for Assistive Technology Center for Educational Access (Formerly Center for Students with Disabilities) ARKU 104 University of Arkansas Fayetteville, AR 72701 479-575-3104 (voice) 479-575-7445 (fax) 479-575-3646 (tdd) ada@uark.edu +++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:18:47 -0500 From: Teresa Wells Haven Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft To: jeano@uwm.edu, 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Message-ID: <010201c78135$ff96ef40$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, Jean. Thanks, at least I can tell him that other campuses are also having similar problems; his attitude so far has been "other campuses can't be having these kinds of problems or we would have heard about it, or someone would have done something about it by now..." Teresa -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Jean Salzer Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 3:25 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft Hi Teresa. Our experience at UW-Milwaukee has been similar: while a blind student totally reliant on a screen reader can use the software, it is a hassle and takes forever with all the links and drop-down menus. So, we end up assisting them, or someone in their family does so. Jean Teresa Wells Haven wrote: >Hi, Gaier. I agree, and frankly that's the tactic I've been trying to >take -- that this should be a usability and student service >conversation rather than a "technical standards and history" debate. >However, the system administrator is insisting on keeping it in the >legal realm and blaming the students for the problem, and the students >who so far have been brave enough to go up the food chain have gotten >brow-beaten for their efforts, so I don't want to subject them to more >of the same. At this point, I'm trying to gather evidence from every >possible area, so any and all "facts" that folks can share would be >appreciated. As you can imagine, this is a multi-million-dollar issue >for the campus, so the person in charge of that feels that he has a >great deal to defend and is reacting accordingly... > >Teresa > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich >Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 2:26 PM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft > > >It sounds like your best evidence is the students themselves, not >reporting about the students' experiences but actually taking the >students into the office to tell in their own words, and maybe even >demonstrate, the problems they are having. > >Your administrators are asking for "facts," but I suspect that an >actual tuition-paying student is better than pages of "old" (anything >before >today) cases. > >Good luck! > >****************************************************** >Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich >High Tech Center Training Unit of the >California Community Colleges >De Anza College, Cupertino, CA >www.htctu.net >408-996-6043 >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Teresa Wells Haven >Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:08 PM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft >Importance: High > >Colleagues, I am in a "discussion" with a member of my university >administration who does not want to believe me that PeopleSoft has a >history of difficulties with accessibility. He would like me to >substantiate my dislike for Peoplesoft, and not surprisingly, a Google >search tends to come up with PeopleSoft's own statements on the matter >("We've been working on this for years," "We conform to Section 508 >regulations") rather than anything contradictory. Does anyone have >anything in the way of "hard evidence" of PeopleSoft's past that I >could share with him -- records of court cases, complaints against the >company, etc.? The more recent, the better, since he is going to take >the stance that they may have had problems in the past but that doesn't >mean they have a problem now, although it won't hurt to show him a long >history of company problems. > >To give you a taste of this "discussion", we currently use a PeopleSoft >product on our campus as our Student Information System. Students who >use screen readers have so much difficulty that most of them get >sighted people to interface with the system for them; I've been >complaining about the system since we implemented it several years ago. >The administrator in question downloaded a demo copy of JAWS last week >and used it to "read" a page (he merely listened to the text while he >visually looked at the screen), at which point he concluded that the >program works "just fine" with JAWS and all the students are really >just having either JAWS technical problems or don't have the necessary >JAWS skills to interact with the program (something he didn't even try >for himself, since "he's not a JAWS expert"). This "discussion" is >flaming up to the Chancellor level very rapidly, so I'd appreciate >quick responses if you have them... > >Thank you in advance, >Teresa > >+++++++++++++++++++++ >Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. >Assistant Director for Assistive Technology >Center for Educational Access >(Formerly Center for Students with Disabilities) >ARKU 104 >University of Arkansas >Fayetteville, AR 72701 >479-575-3104 (voice) >479-575-7445 (fax) >479-575-3646 (tdd) >ada@uark.edu >+++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 15, Issue 26 ************************************* From gdietrich at htctu.net Thu Apr 19 11:56:42 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] MP3 players In-Reply-To: <004901c782aa$827a68e0$6900a8c0@eriwi.local> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711602502F51@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <004901c782aa$827a68e0$6900a8c0@eriwi.local> Message-ID: <001801c782b4$79871ad0$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> All the hardware DAISY players will play MP3 files if they are burned to a CD. Also, the BookPort (or BookCourier) from APH is an MP3 player (as well as a DAISY player and Braille notetaker) and is designed to work sight-free. The BookPort accepts compact flash cards, so there is no file-size limit; perhaps a financial limit as to how many cards one wants to purchase, but no size restriction. Software comes with the BookPort to allow one to download files from the computer easily, and it even has a queuing function so that you can have a folder of material to download the next time you connect the BookPort. You just use the included USB cable to connect the BookPort. You can use a card reader and load the files directly onto the compact flash. In terms of standard MP3 players, I have blind friends who really like the MuVo by Creative. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Phillip Goodman Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:45 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] MP3 players Is there some reason the student can't use a Victor Reader WAVE and store the MP3's on CD? The Wave has a pretty big screen. Even as MP3's books can get quite large and I don't know how much space you can actually expect to get on a player of this type. Unfortunately Humanware hasn't gotten around to including a direct USB input port on these animals. That would allow the use of the huge capacity external hard drives we have these days. Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR Assistive Technology Consultant Employment Resources, Inc. 4126 Lien Rd. Madison, WI 53704 608-246-3444 ext.234 fax 608-246-3445 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:59 AM To: tabitha buggie-hunt Cc: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MP3 players Tabitha, I am forwarding this message to the ATHEN Access Technologist Higher Education Network e-mail list. I believe one or more members are working on such questions. ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >-----Original Message----- >From: Disabled Student Services in Higher Education [mailto:DSSHE- >L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of tabitha buggie-hunt >Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:50 AM >To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: MP3 players > >Hello all, > >Ok..I am just getting to the point where I have learned how to make >books into MP3 files. Now, what is the best device for playing them >on-if you are a student who wants to carry them around on an MP3 player? > >I am looking for something with LOTS of space (obviously). But also >something that is fairly easy to use-keeping in mind that this is for >a visually impaired student so reading the screen of an MP3 player is >going to be tough-though not impossible. > >Thank you!! >Tabitha > >Tabitha Buggie-Hunt tbuggieh@geneseo.edu >Assistant Dean of the College/ >Director, Office of Disability Services voice (585) 245-5112 >SUNY Geneseo relay 1-800-421-1220 >1 College Circle 106A Erwin fax (585) 245-5032 >Geneseo, New York 14454 > >This list is intended to serve as a forum for higher education >professionals involved in the delivery of services to students with >disabilities in higher education. 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URL: From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Apr 19 12:11:36 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] This just hit a little closer to home Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C71160258E006@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Though I do not personally know of anyone injured or killed in the Virginia Tech shootings, I have spoken to some friends and colleagues who know of people who know of people and the world gets smaller. This blog post brought it a bit closer. http://www.edutechie.com/2007/04/in-loving-memory-of-jamie-bishop/ EduTechie is one of the blogs I check regularly and greatly enjoy reading. I was doing a regular RSS rundown and there it was. Admit it, in the past 48 hours everyone of us has asked "what if our campus..." ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability From stacylee at ksu.edu Thu Apr 19 12:51:29 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] This just hit a little closer to home In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C71160258E006@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C71160258E006@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <1177012288.4627c84101bdc@webmail.ksu.edu> Both my husband and I work in student services, and we've both taught - and both were English teachers. I know I've been doing a lot of thinking about the impossible situation faculty and staff were in, in this case. Every student should be given a fair chance, but we've also seen how difficult it is to expell a student who is truly a problem. How do you fix this situation? IS there a fix for this situation? I see the AHEAD conference has several sessions on crisis management - I bet they'll be well attended this year. It's very sad. What would we do? Where would we hide? Can our students jump from our windows? Our dorms have implemented stricter policies since the event, and student have held a vigil. Here, smack-dab in the middle of the US and in farm country, guns are everywhere. There's a "no guns" sign as you come onto campus, but is that going to stop someone who is obviously disturbed and determined? I guess the best we can do is go on doing our jobs the best we can. Stacy Quoting "Berkowitz, Daniel J" : > Though I do not personally know of anyone injured or killed in the > Virginia Tech shootings, I have spoken to some friends and colleagues > who know of people who know of people and the world gets smaller. > This > blog post brought it a bit closer. > http://www.edutechie.com/2007/04/in-loving-memory-of-jamie-bishop/ > > EduTechie is one of the blogs I check regularly and greatly enjoy > reading. I was doing a regular RSS rundown and there it was. Admit > it, > in the past 48 hours everyone of us has asked "what if our campus..." > > > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba From jfoliot at stanford.edu Thu Apr 19 15:18:07 2007 From: jfoliot at stanford.edu (John Foliot - Stanford Online Accessibility Program) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00a001c782d0$9b935140$e08240ab@Piglet> Jennison Asuncion wrote: > Hello, > > It may be too late for most from a planning perspective, but there > will be a two day conference on web 2.0 and accessibility in Banff > Canada May 7 and 8. The site is www.w4a.info > > Jennison > FWIW, I saw this a while ago. While it certainly looks interesting, note that it is but part of a larger conference. The financial barrier attendance presents is quite steep: 400 Canadian Dollars for the w4a sessions (BUT!! that is on top of the W3C conference: $395/one day to $1695.00/5day + hotel and travel)... You are looking at a fair chunk of change here. I recently attended the Web 2.0 Expo in San Francisco, and after crawling the expo floor for about 5 hours, my overall impression of the numerous "Web 2.0 solutions" out there is that: A) AJAX is their savior...(sic), and that eventually everything will be one big mash-up. B) "Accessibility? Oh, that's Section 508, right?" (and that was the positive responses: I got equal quantities of blank stares). One booth told me that they were almost completely "Section 508" (as if it were a state of being - curiously as well, they were "almost"...) C)"I don't think we're there yet" and/or "We plan on addressing that in the next release". In short, most of these folks didn't get online accessibility in Web 1.0, what makes you think they will get it in 2.0? I was hugely disappointed. While I can commend the organizers of this conference (The International World Wide Web Conferences Steering Committee (IW3C2) [www.iw3c2.org]) for adding this "a la carte" module to the conference, it also saddens me that once again, Web Accessibility has been marginalize in this manner: why was this W4A module treated as a bolt-on and not part of the mainstream conference? If this is how the such a preeminent international body addresses Web 2.0/Accessibility, is it any wonder that those poor folks on the expo floor in San Francisco were so clued out? Sign me cynical and frustrated... JF From hascherdss at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 15:19:16 2007 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 15, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6e0d34c90704191519n4a3c841fn4f0802157797c05c@mail.gmail.com> Ah yes, love that line "someone would have done soemthing about it by now..." And the web is now completely accessible as are our course management systems and there is no need for disability support services because someone has already done everything possible to make our campuses/programs COMPLETELY accessible for people with disabilities. :-/~ (Sorry for the sarcasim - it's the end of a long, chaotic day!) Hang in there, T! Heidi Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Counselor/Coordinator of Disability Services Arkansas State University - Beebe 501-882-8263 V/T Message: 6 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:18:47 -0500 From: Teresa Wells Haven Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft To: jeano@uwm.edu, 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Message-ID: <010201c78135$ff96ef40$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, Jean. Thanks, at least I can tell him that other campuses are also having similar problems; his attitude so far has been "other campuses can't be having these kinds of problems or we would have heard about it, or someone would have done something about it by now..." Teresa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tft at u.washington.edu Thu Apr 19 16:35:33 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 In-Reply-To: <00a001c782d0$9b935140$e08240ab@Piglet> Message-ID: <200704192335.l3JNZj4F028676@smtp.washington.edu> One note of clarification: Attending the WWW conference is optional. One could choose to attend only the W4A conference if one were so inclined. That's not obvious from the registration form - I had to ask, and that's what they told me. As for integration of accessibility into the larger community of Web 2.0 ideas, I think W4A is a positive step. It's part of the larger conference and occurs prior to the main conference so attendees will be fully emmersed in accessibility for two full days plus a banquet, then can take that accessibility-focused mindset into the main conference and contribute informed accessibility-related ideas to the larger discussions. That's what I expect to happen anyway. I'll be there, and will let you know if I'm still feeling good about it afterwards. Terry Terry Thompson Technology Specialist, DO-IT University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 http://www.washington.edu/doit > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of John Foliot > - Stanford Online Accessibility Program > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:18 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 > > Jennison Asuncion wrote: > > Hello, > > > > It may be too late for most from a planning perspective, but there > > will be a two day conference on web 2.0 and accessibility in Banff > > Canada May 7 and 8. The site is www.w4a.info > > > > Jennison > > > > FWIW, I saw this a while ago. While it certainly looks > interesting, note that it is but part of a larger conference. > The financial barrier attendance presents is quite steep: 400 > Canadian Dollars for the w4a sessions (BUT!! > that is on top of the W3C conference: $395/one day to > $1695.00/5day + hotel and travel)... You are looking at a > fair chunk of change here. > > I recently attended the Web 2.0 Expo in San Francisco, and > after crawling the expo floor for about 5 hours, my overall > impression of the numerous "Web 2.0 solutions" out there is that: > > A) AJAX is their savior...(sic), and that eventually > everything will be one big mash-up. > > B) "Accessibility? Oh, that's Section 508, right?" (and > that was the positive responses: I got equal quantities of > blank stares). One booth told me that they were almost > completely "Section 508" (as if it were a state of being - > curiously as well, they were "almost"...) > > C)"I don't think we're there yet" and/or "We plan on > addressing that in the next release". > > In short, most of these folks didn't get online accessibility > in Web 1.0, what makes you think they will get it in 2.0? I > was hugely disappointed. > > While I can commend the organizers of this conference (The > International World Wide Web Conferences Steering Committee > (IW3C2) [www.iw3c2.org]) for adding this "a la carte" module > to the conference, it also saddens me that once again, Web > Accessibility has been marginalize in this manner: why was > this W4A module treated as a bolt-on and not part of the > mainstream conference? If this is how the such a preeminent > international body addresses Web 2.0/Accessibility, is it any > wonder that those poor folks on the expo floor in San > Francisco were so clued out? > > Sign me cynical and frustrated... > > JF > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From goodman at eri-wi.org Thu Apr 19 07:23:14 2007 From: goodman at eri-wi.org (Phillip Goodman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: [nabs] OT: survey In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711602502D08@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <001801c7828e$4535a920$6900a8c0@eriwi.local> Interesting material if not tedious. Why did they make the gif tags for each button visible to JAWS? They could lose some participants after 20 questions or so that way.... Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR Assistive Technology Consultant Employment Resources, Inc. 4126 Lien Rd. Madison, WI 53704 608-246-3444 ext.234 fax 608-246-3445 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:16 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Alternate Media Cc: tasha_chemel@brown.edu Subject: [Athen] FW: [nabs] OT: survey The following item of interest is being forwarded from a student on the National Alliance of Blind Students Email list. The following e-mail explains her work. I took the surveys and found them and this research to be very interesting. Cheers --- Dann -----Original Message----- From: Tasha Raella Chemel [mailto:tashiegirl@rcn.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 Subject: [nabs] OT: survey Hi all, As part of my linguistics class at Brown, I am conducting a survey on the emotional qualities people perceive when listening to a speech synthesiser. My online survey should take you no more than 20 minutes to complete and I would really appreciate your help. The links to the survey are below. Please choose either the July to December or the January to June link based on your birth month. If you have any questions about the survey, please feel free to email me at tasha_chemel@brown.edu. Also, please feel free to pass this on to any one you think would be intrested (blind or sighted). Tasha Jan-June: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=454843671754 July-Dec: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=103063672407 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From jfoliot at stanford.edu Thu Apr 19 21:14:38 2007 From: jfoliot at stanford.edu (John Foliot - Stanford Online Accessibility Program) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for Info on Web 2.0 In-Reply-To: <200704192335.l3JNZj4F028676@smtp.washington.edu> Message-ID: <002601c78302$69be9760$0301a8c0@Piglet> Terry Thompson wrote: > One note of clarification: Attending the WWW conference is optional. > One could choose to attend only the W4A conference if one were so > inclined. That's not obvious from the registration form - I had to > ask, and that's what they told me. > > As for integration of accessibility into the larger community of Web > 2.0 ideas, I think W4A is a positive step. It's part of the larger > conference and occurs prior to the main conference so attendees will > be fully emmersed in accessibility for two full days plus a banquet, > then can take that accessibility-focused mindset into the main > conference and contribute informed accessibility-related ideas to the > larger discussions. That's what I expect to happen anyway. I'll be > there, and will let you know if I'm still feeling good about it > afterwards. > > Terry > Thanks Terry, I will check my cynicism for the moment then, and look forward to hearing back from you. Cheers! JF From jean.wells at csueastbay.edu Thu Apr 19 21:22:36 2007 From: jean.wells at csueastbay.edu (Jean Wells) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Web Access Survey Message-ID: I would like for everyone to take a few minutes to take the following survey for a study being done on web accessibility. Thank you! Jean http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?A=190227884E56435 PS - They know the survey is not accessible. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrih at asu.edu Fri Apr 20 04:56:29 2007 From: terrih at asu.edu (Terri Hedgpeth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Web Access Survey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC04DB5D6F@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> So what's the point? ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Jean Wells Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:23 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Web Access Survey I would like for everyone to take a few minutes to take the following survey for a study being done on web accessibility. Thank you! Jean http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?A=190227884E56435 PS - They know the survey is not accessible. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlwells at uark.edu Fri Apr 20 05:55:53 2007 From: tlwells at uark.edu (Teresa Wells Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 15, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <6e0d34c90704191519n4a3c841fn4f0802157797c05c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004d01c7834b$3df4d5b0$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Sarcasm understood and appreciated; I couldn't believe that I got that line from someone who is supposed to be as experienced as he is! Sigh. Well, another day, another step in the process... Sure hope I hear something from Hawai'i soon... -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:19 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 15, Issue 26 Ah yes, love that line "someone would have done soemthing about it by now..." And the web is now completely accessible as are our course management systems and there is no need for disability support services because someone has already done everything possible to make our campuses/programs COMPLETELY accessible for people with disabilities. :-/~ (Sorry for the sarcasim - it's the end of a long, chaotic day!) Hang in there, T! Heidi Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Counselor/Coordinator of Disability Services Arkansas State University - Beebe 501-882-8263 V/T Message: 6 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:18:47 -0500 From: Teresa Wells Haven Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft To: jeano@uwm.edu, 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' < athen@athenpro.org > Message-ID: <010201c78135$ff96ef40$07d2b882 @CSDAdTech> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, Jean. Thanks, at least I can tell him that other campuses are also having similar problems; his attitude so far has been "other campuses can't be having these kinds of problems or we would have heard about it, or someone would have done something about it by now..." Teresa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlwells at uark.edu Fri Apr 20 05:56:54 2007 From: tlwells at uark.edu (Teresa Wells Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 15, Issue 26 PLEASE DELETE In-Reply-To: <6e0d34c90704191519n4a3c841fn4f0802157797c05c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <005401c7834b$62d3c4e0$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> ARGH! My apologies, folks, I thought that was going to Heidi privately... Teresa -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:19 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 15, Issue 26 Ah yes, love that line "someone would have done soemthing about it by now..." And the web is now completely accessible as are our course management systems and there is no need for disability support services because someone has already done everything possible to make our campuses/programs COMPLETELY accessible for people with disabilities. :-/~ (Sorry for the sarcasim - it's the end of a long, chaotic day!) Hang in there, T! Heidi Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Counselor/Coordinator of Disability Services Arkansas State University - Beebe 501-882-8263 V/T Message: 6 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:18:47 -0500 From: Teresa Wells Haven Subject: Re: [Athen] Request for "facts" on Peoplesoft To: jeano@uwm.edu, 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' < athen@athenpro.org > Message-ID: <010201c78135$ff96ef40$07d2b882 @CSDAdTech> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, Jean. 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One resource I return to time and again is http://php.resourceindex.com (which of course presumes you have access to this type of hosting environment). I cannot specifically recommend one survey tool over the other (especially in reference to accessibility), but they currently offer 75 different scripts, ranging in quality and price - many are free. (http://php.resourceindex.com/Complete_Scripts/Survey_and_Voting/) Their sister site: http://cgi.resourceindex.com has another 56 Perl scripts for surveys, if you do not have PHP support: http://cgi.resourceindex.com/Programs_and_Scripts/Perl/ I'm not a huge fan of ASP and don't work in that environment, but I'm sure there is an equivalent out there for this scripting language as well. Hope this helps. JF --- John Foliot Academic Technology Consultant Stanford Online Accessibility Program http://soap.stanford.edu Stanford University 560 Escondido Mall Meyer Library 181 Stanford, CA 94305-3093 Tel: 650-862-4603 > > > From: Liz Bottner [mailto:lizb@udel.edu] > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:34 PM > To: Berkowitz, Daniel J > Subject: My research > > Hi Dann: > > I want to thank you for responding to my post regarding my research. > The topic of information access is of most interest to me, and is of > great importance not only to myself, but, I feel, to everyone, and is > definitely worth researching. I myself use a combination of Braille > and computer/assistive technology in order to obtain that access. > Information should be available to everyone, not just one specific > sect of the population, and I strongly believe that the combination > of using Braille and assistive technology together, and not just > either one or the other alone, helps close that information gap. > Some things are easier to do with hardcopy Braille, such as skimming > a document, finding specific pages, and even proofreading, whereas > computer/assistive technology is a better solution in other > instances; completing assignments, access to the Internet, and > reading books that would otherwise be too huge to carry around were > they in multiple Braille volumes. (Instead of only being able to > carry around one book or part of a book, we can carry around > thousands of books either on our laptop computers or portable note > taking devices). Some find that by listening to speech, they can > also read faster than were they to read the same thing in Braille. > These are some of my thoughts and opinions on the topic, at any rate, > to give you an idea of my take on things and where I'm trying to go > with my research, which I hopefully have been able to do. > > Regarding a survey, I would love to be able to implement an online > survey as that would probably be easier for people to answer and I'm > guessing also easier for me to compile the responses once people have > completed it. In that, though, I have no idea how to go about > creating one. For previous surveys, I have just written out a > Microsoft Word document of the survey and stored each person's > completed survey in a particular folder on my computer, organizing > things that way. If you would be able to help me create an online > survey or know of someone who would be willing, I would be greatly > interested. I have an idea of the questions I want to ask, (the > survey really isn't that involved and shouldn't be that long), so > perhaps making it available online wouldn't be that hard to do? I > don't know. > > Thank you, take care, and whatever help or suggestions you would be > able to offer me in completing my research is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks again, > > Liz > > Email: lizb@udel.edu Visit my Live Journal: > http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com From skeegan at htctu.net Fri Apr 20 11:31:21 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: [CATS] Accessibilty Survey Message-ID: <002101c7837a$18abf5c0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> For those in the higher education arena, a student from CSU Monterey Bay is conducting a survey on website accessibility. Please take a look at the survey below and give some feedback if possible. Note - he is using SurveyMonkey and is aware of the accessibility limitations of that survey tool. Take care, Sean **************** Hello all, As some of you may know, I'm a staff member and student here at Monterey Bay. In my role as student I'm conducting a survey to gage the state of web site accessibility in public colleges and universities. If any of you would mind completing it, it would be very helpful. Here is the link: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?A=190227884E56435 Also, I'm aware that surveymonkey is not accessible (ironic). My alternative is to email a text version of the survey while I'm making a new online version. Please email me with requests. Also also, feel free to redistribute this email to anyone who is associated with a public institution and working with the website. Thanks again, Jeff jeff_mccall@csumb.edu ==================================== Jeff McCall Digital Media Producer Center for Academic Technologies California State University, Monterey Bay Bldg. 18, Room 155 Seaside, CA 93955 ----------------------------------------------------- Tel: (831) 582-4679 jeff_mccall@csumb.edu ********** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00015.txt URL: From hascherdss at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 13:42:59 2007 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Do you know..MS Expression Web Professional Design Tool? Message-ID: <6e0d34c90704201342n23656f59ybf8a32cf3badf9a5@mail.gmail.com> Happy Friday afternoon! Has anyone seen the new MS Expression Web Professional Design Tool which seems to be MS's replacement for FrontPage? Have a faculty member who doesn't like using Dreamweaver and wants to purchase this instead. I'd like to gather info to give him some additional info to consider. He's not trained in web design, just doing it as additional job duties. He's into the design, not technical. But I'm cynical - it's a MS product. Here's a blurb from their website: "New Era, New Tool Reduce complexity and ease data integration by using powerful design tools and task panes to quickly incorporate XML data. Seamlessly integrate Web design and development teams with Expression Web and Visual Studio's superior support for XML, ASP.NET and XHTML. Beautiful Inside and Out Unleash your creative ideas and bring your Web sites to life with sophisticated CSS design features. Visual designers, specialized task panes, and tool bars give you precise control of page layout and formatting. Passionate about Standards Build dynamic, interactive pages that harness the power of the Web to deliver superior quality. Built-in support for today's modern Web standards makes it easy to optimize your sites for accessibility and cross-browser compatibility." Your thoughts?? Your suggestions?? TIA! Heidi Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Counselor/Coordinator of Disability Services Arkansas State University - Beebe 501-882-8263 V/T -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djbrky at bu.edu Mon Apr 23 08:07:29 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: [bscb-announce] Software Testers needed Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711602616D9B@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Forwarded from the Bay State Council for the Blind -----Original Message----- From: Bob Hachey [mailto:bhachey@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:41 PM To: bscb-announce@acb.org Subject: [bscb-announce] Software Testers needed The Department of Mental Retardation is looking for volunteers to help test an internet based quality reporting software for JAWS compatibility. We are looking for individuals who use the JAWS Screen Reader. Changes have been made to this software to address issues identified by individuals using JAWS Screen Reader to access the application. May 14 through May 25 is the period set aside for testing. We can schedule the testing to take place at any one of the 5 DMR training locations (Palmer, Shrewsbury, Waltham, Danvers and Boston). We are asking volunteers to commit to at least 2 days of testing. Please contact Joanne Galvin at 617-624-7772 or Joanne.Galvin@state.ma.us before May 9th to sign up. Thank you. From pricek at uic.edu Mon Apr 23 08:48:56 2007 From: pricek at uic.edu (Kevin Price) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Multimedia Projector and Captioning Message-ID: <200704231547.l3NFle4R017455@mail-1.priv.cc.uic.edu> We are trying to buy a Multimedia Projector for doing presentations for our Disability Resource Center here at UIC. I found out that Epson has a projector that has built in closed captioning capability. It is called the PowerLite 83c. I am trying to wrap my brain around how this works on a practical level. Has anyone used one? It is heavier than the one I was looking at from Dell but if it has a tremendous advantage for the hearing impaired, I would look into us buying it. Thank you for any feedback, Kevin Kevin Price MSW, ATP Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Resource Center (MC 321) University of Illinois at Chicago Suite 1190, Student Services Building 1200 West Harrison Street Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 Email: pricek@uic.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, with an external decoder, you wouldn't be locked into choosing a specific device just because it has a decoder - you may like a different model/brand for various reasons: i.e. supportability by your tech dept., security concerns (i.e. ease of installing anti-theft eqpt to ceiling or cart), dependability, cost of bulbs, etc. Thanks, Michael Nusen Coordinator, OASIS/CAC (Office of Accommodative Services and Instructional Support/Computer Access Center) Pikes Peak Community College michael.nusen@ppcc.edu 719-502-3022 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Price Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:49 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Multimedia Projector and Captioning We are trying to buy a Multimedia Projector for doing presentations for our Disability Resource Center here at UIC. I found out that Epson has a projector that has built in closed captioning capability. It is called the PowerLite 83c. I am trying to wrap my brain around how this works on a practical level. Has anyone used one? It is heavier than the one I was looking at from Dell but if it has a tremendous advantage for the hearing impaired, I would look into us buying it. Thank you for any feedback, Kevin Kevin Price MSW, ATP Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Resource Center (MC 321) University of Illinois at Chicago Suite 1190, Student Services Building 1200 West Harrison Street Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 Email: pricek@uic.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Mon Apr 23 10:22:20 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Multimedia Projector and Captioning In-Reply-To: <200704231547.l3NFle4R017455@mail-1.priv.cc.uic.edu> References: <200704231547.l3NFle4R017455@mail-1.priv.cc.uic.edu> Message-ID: <001101c785cb$f4017520$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Before deciding what to buy, you need to understand a bit about closed captions and consider how you will use the projector. VHS If you are playing VHS tapes that have closed captions and projecting them through this projector, then you will need the decoder. I suspect, however, that is unlikely to be the case. Unlike an overhead projector that has everything wired through it, the presentation projectors for use with computers are rarely used to show VHS tapes. Generally when showing VHS tapes, a TV and a VHS player are brought in. The TV has the decoder built-in, so you would not need a projector with a decoder. DVD If you have a DVD with actual closed captions (as opposed to subtitles for the deaf, which are turned on through the DVD's menu) and you wish to show it on your computer, then you will need a decoder in the projection unit. You would need to weigh the likelihood of showing a DVD on a computer, as opposed to bringing in a separate DVD player and TV. Web Video captions on the Web are turned on and off through the media player or with a special CC button. No decoder is required. To summarize, if weight and portability are issues, and DVD/VHS players connected to a TV will be available, then you will not need the decoder. If, however, you need one unit to "do it all," then get the Epson. Hope this helps! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Price Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:49 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Multimedia Projector and Captioning We are trying to buy a Multimedia Projector for doing presentations for our Disability Resource Center here at UIC. I found out that Epson has a projector that has built in closed captioning capability. It is called the PowerLite 83c. I am trying to wrap my brain around how this works on a practical level. Has anyone used one? It is heavier than the one I was looking at from Dell but if it has a tremendous advantage for the hearing impaired, I would look into us buying it. Thank you for any feedback, Kevin Kevin Price MSW, ATP Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Resource Center (MC 321) University of Illinois at Chicago Suite 1190, Student Services Building 1200 West Harrison Street Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 Email: pricek@uic.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhumbert at purdue.edu Mon Apr 23 10:54:28 2007 From: jhumbert at purdue.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Multimedia Projector and Captioning In-Reply-To: <001101c785cb$f4017520$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <200704231547.l3NFle4R017455@mail-1.priv.cc.uic.edu> <001101c785cb$f4017520$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901CA9C91@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> Hi! Windows Media Player supports line 21 closed captions as can most software players. It seems most DVD players (standalone) support line 21. The only problem is very few DVDs actually have line 21 data. HD DVD formats don't support it. My feeling is unless you are going to be showing VHS or TV signals through the project its not worth the extra money or weight to support closed captions. That's my feelings Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Purdue University - ITaP - TLT Office: STEW 111 Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu Phone: 765-494-4387 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:22 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Multimedia Projector and Captioning Before deciding what to buy, you need to understand a bit about closed captions and consider how you will use the projector. VHS If you are playing VHS tapes that have closed captions and projecting them through this projector, then you will need the decoder. I suspect, however, that is unlikely to be the case. Unlike an overhead projector that has everything wired through it, the presentation projectors for use with computers are rarely used to show VHS tapes. Generally when showing VHS tapes, a TV and a VHS player are brought in. The TV has the decoder built-in, so you would not need a projector with a decoder. DVD If you have a DVD with actual closed captions (as opposed to subtitles for the deaf, which are turned on through the DVD's menu) and you wish to show it on your computer, then you will need a decoder in the projection unit. You would need to weigh the likelihood of showing a DVD on a computer, as opposed to bringing in a separate DVD player and TV. Web Video captions on the Web are turned on and off through the media player or with a special CC button. No decoder is required. To summarize, if weight and portability are issues, and DVD/VHS players connected to a TV will be available, then you will not need the decoder. If, however, you need one unit to "do it all," then get the Epson. Hope this helps! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Price Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:49 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Multimedia Projector and Captioning We are trying to buy a Multimedia Projector for doing presentations for our Disability Resource Center here at UIC. I found out that Epson has a projector that has built in closed captioning capability. It is called the PowerLite 83c. I am trying to wrap my brain around how this works on a practical level. Has anyone used one? It is heavier than the one I was looking at from Dell but if it has a tremendous advantage for the hearing impaired, I would look into us buying it. Thank you for any feedback, Kevin Kevin Price MSW, ATP Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Resource Center (MC 321) University of Illinois at Chicago Suite 1190, Student Services Building 1200 West Harrison Street Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 Email: pricek@uic.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pricek at uic.edu Mon Apr 23 11:59:58 2007 From: pricek at uic.edu (Kevin Price) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Multimedia Projector and Captioning In-Reply-To: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901CA9C91@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> Message-ID: <200704231858.l3NIwgfT023092@mail-1.priv.cc.uic.edu> Thank you for the helpful feedback! I like to support products that aid people with disabilities but another projector that only weighs 2 lbs may be better (also for the back). Kevin Price MSW, ATP Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Resource Center (MC 321) University of Illinois at Chicago Suite 1190, Student Services Building 1200 West Harrison Street Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 Email: pricek@uic.edu _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:54 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Multimedia Projector and Captioning Hi! Windows Media Player supports line 21 closed captions as can most software players. It seems most DVD players (standalone) support line 21. The only problem is very few DVDs actually have line 21 data. HD DVD formats don't support it. My feeling is unless you are going to be showing VHS or TV signals through the project its not worth the extra money or weight to support closed captions. That's my feelings Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Purdue University - ITaP - TLT Office: STEW 111 Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu Phone: 765-494-4387 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:22 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Multimedia Projector and Captioning Before deciding what to buy, you need to understand a bit about closed captions and consider how you will use the projector. VHS If you are playing VHS tapes that have closed captions and projecting them through this projector, then you will need the decoder. I suspect, however, that is unlikely to be the case. Unlike an overhead projector that has everything wired through it, the presentation projectors for use with computers are rarely used to show VHS tapes. Generally when showing VHS tapes, a TV and a VHS player are brought in. The TV has the decoder built-in, so you would not need a projector with a decoder. DVD If you have a DVD with actual closed captions (as opposed to subtitles for the deaf, which are turned on through the DVD's menu) and you wish to show it on your computer, then you will need a decoder in the projection unit. You would need to weigh the likelihood of showing a DVD on a computer, as opposed to bringing in a separate DVD player and TV. Web Video captions on the Web are turned on and off through the media player or with a special CC button. No decoder is required. To summarize, if weight and portability are issues, and DVD/VHS players connected to a TV will be available, then you will not need the decoder. If, however, you need one unit to "do it all," then get the Epson. Hope this helps! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Price Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:49 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Multimedia Projector and Captioning We are trying to buy a Multimedia Projector for doing presentations for our Disability Resource Center here at UIC. I found out that Epson has a projector that has built in closed captioning capability. It is called the PowerLite 83c. I am trying to wrap my brain around how this works on a practical level. Has anyone used one? It is heavier than the one I was looking at from Dell but if it has a tremendous advantage for the hearing impaired, I would look into us buying it. Thank you for any feedback, Kevin Kevin Price MSW, ATP Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Resource Center (MC 321) University of Illinois at Chicago Suite 1190, Student Services Building 1200 West Harrison Street Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 Email: pricek@uic.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Michael.Nusen at ppcc.edu Tue Apr 24 08:44:43 2007 From: Michael.Nusen at ppcc.edu (Nusen, Michael) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Pikes Peak Community College Message-ID: <0B6DCE7FD0CAC8499F3F32584186A32504C38548@ppcca1.ppcc.ccofc.edu> FYI re Nelson Lauver as a potential motivational speaker with an impressive client list besides disabilities groups. Possibilities: graduations, AHG, CSUN, AHEAD,... Thank you, Michael Nusen Coordinator, OASIS/CAC (Office of Accommodative Services and Instructional Support/Computer Access Center) Pikes Peak Community College michael.nusen@ppcc.edu 719-502-3022 ________________________________ From: Jane George [mailto:jane@theamericanstoryteller.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:59 AM To: Nusen, Michael Subject: Pikes Peak Community College Dear Mr. Nusen, Realizing your work with Pikes Peak Community College, I thought you may be interested in the work of nationally syndicated broadcast journalist, Nelson Lauver. I feel Nelson would be a great fit as a speaker at an upcoming conference. Nelson was one of "those kids." Learning problems, behavioral problems, truancy issues -- in general, a very difficult case. Then, this kid went on to do something completely unexpected....he succeeded. Today he is the host/creator of The American Storyteller Radio Journal. I believe this is a story every person who has a disability, or works in the field of disabilities/education, should hear. With his wit and tenacity, Nelson has a remarkable ability to reach out and touch the hearts of his audience. To give you a bit more information and background, I've pasted a brief bio, plus a link to Nelson's info sheet PDF, at the very bottom of this email. You will also find a link to our website in my signature line. Please do not hesitate to contact me if I can be of any assistance. Best regards, Jane Jane George Executive Producer The American Storyteller Radio Journal 570-992-0359 ph 212-504-3131 fax Jane@theamericanstoryteller.com Website/listen online: www.theamericanstoryteller.com Info sheet - view or download: www.theamericanstoryteller.com/downloads/one_sheet.pdf "America is filled with the triumphant success stories of people who have overcome the seemingly insurmountable to achieve a desired goal." - Nelson Lauver Nelson Lauver is the host and creator of The American Storyteller Radio Journal, a nationally syndicated radio feature. His short stories of the American Experience are broadcast daily in 60 US markets and resonate with listeners from every walk of life. As a professional speaker, Nelson inspires audiences with the stories of tenacious Americans who have been knocked down and have had the true grit to get back up and achieve success. He then fortifies audiences with the tools and resolve to do it too. Nelson has spent nearly 15 years studying, writing and speaking about human potential, and the common denominator that turns ordinary people into extraordinary achievers. Nelson himself has beaten the odds. At age 29, then a parking lot line painter, Nelson stopped making excuses and took charge of his life. He overcame illiteracy caused by undiagnosed dyslexia, and would go on to become a nationally syndicated journalist, broadcaster, speaker and advocate. Anyone who has ever encountered obstacles, whether individually or collectively as an organization, can't help but be inspired and motivated by Nelson Lauver's message along with his wit, tenacity and incredible communication style. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeano at uwm.edu Tue Apr 24 11:55:40 2007 From: jeano at uwm.edu (Jean Salzer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] more than one question! Message-ID: <462E52AC.7070605@uwm.edu> Hi all, I just met with some folks from a small, private college in the area. They are interested in learning more about how colleges have accommodated totally blind students with computer science majors. We had some discussion of assistive technology, however, part of their concern is the world of windows and graphics versus just 'code'. Question #1 - is there anyone out there who has been able to accommodate a qualified blind student through a 4-year degree program for software engineering? Question #2 - how well can the Tiger embosser and software work with Jaws so the students can create tactile representations of the graphics they'll need for coursework completion? Question #3 - the students are siblings from Pakistan. Their principle goal with regard to completing this degree is to create a screen reading system similar to Jaws in Pakistani languages. Besides connecting with Freedom Scientific, are there any other suggestions for achievement of this goal besides them doing it themselves after 4-5 arduous years in a software engineering program? Thanks in advance. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jeano.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 284 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jeano at uwm.edu Tue Apr 24 12:02:58 2007 From: jeano at uwm.edu (Jean Salzer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] ok one more question Message-ID: <462E5462.2080900@uwm.edu> A suggestion question that was posed at the meeting previously mentioned was about a CRT that is tactile/tactual? I have a vague recollection of such a piece of softare, equipment from the 2000 AHEAD conference vendor session, but don't recall seeing anything since then... Anyone? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jeano.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 284 bytes Desc: not available URL: From travis at travisroth.com Tue Apr 24 12:07:24 2007 From: travis at travisroth.com (Travis Roth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] more than one question! In-Reply-To: <462E52AC.7070605@uwm.edu> Message-ID: <00f101c786a3$cb60abd0$8119fea9@latitude> Hi, As for question 3: "Question #3 - the students are siblings from Pakistan. Their principle goal with regard to completing this degree is to create a screen reading system similar to Jaws in Pakistani languages. Besides connecting with Freedom Scientific, are there any other suggestions for achievement of this goal besides them doing it themselves after 4-5 arduous years in a software engineering program?" They of course could start from scratch. Depending on the study program and its goals, I'd suggest that they and their instructors evaluate adding this goal as a task to an existing open-source project. For example, an open source screen reader for Gnome (runs on Linux) is called Orca. Orca is written primarily in Python, and takes advantage of the accessibility API in Gnome. Find more info at http://live.gnome.org/Orca . Another recently launched open-source screen reading project for Windows is called Nonvisual Desktop Access (NVDA). http://www.kulgan.net/nvda/ -----Original Message----- From: Jean Salzer [mailto:jeano@uwm.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:56 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] more than one question! Hi all, I just met with some folks from a small, private college in the area. They are interested in learning more about how colleges have accommodated totally blind students with computer science majors. We had some discussion of assistive technology, however, part of their concern is the world of windows and graphics versus just 'code'. Question #1 - is there anyone out there who has been able to accommodate a qualified blind student through a 4-year degree program for software engineering? Question #2 - how well can the Tiger embosser and software work with Jaws so the students can create tactile representations of the graphics they'll need for coursework completion? Question #3 - the students are siblings from Pakistan. Their principle goal with regard to completing this degree is to create a screen reading system similar to Jaws in Pakistani languages. Besides connecting with Freedom Scientific, are there any other suggestions for achievement of this goal besides them doing it themselves after 4-5 arduous years in a software engineering program? Thanks in advance. From tft at u.washington.edu Tue Apr 24 12:39:53 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] more than one question! In-Reply-To: <00f101c786a3$cb60abd0$8119fea9@latitude> Message-ID: <200704241939.l3OJdsUu002688@smtp.washington.edu> In addition to those Travis mentioned, here are a couple more open source screen reader projects the students should be aware of: Thunder http://www.screenreader.net/ Firevox (not a full-blown screen reader, but a talking browser extension) http://firevox.clcworld.net/about.html Terry Thompson Technology Specialist, DO-IT University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 http://www.washington.edu/doit > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Travis Roth > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:07 PM > To: jeano@uwm.edu; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] more than one question! > > Hi, > > As for question 3: > "Question #3 - the students are siblings from Pakistan. Their > principle goal with regard to completing this degree is to > create a screen reading system similar to Jaws in Pakistani > languages. Besides connecting with Freedom Scientific, are > there any other suggestions for achievement of this goal > besides them doing it themselves after 4-5 arduous years in a > software engineering program?" > > They of course could start from scratch. > Depending on the study program and its goals, I'd suggest > that they and their instructors evaluate adding this goal as > a task to an existing open-source project. > > For example, an open source screen reader for Gnome (runs on > Linux) is called Orca. Orca is written primarily in Python, > and takes advantage of the accessibility API in Gnome. Find > more info at http://live.gnome.org/Orca . > > Another recently launched open-source screen reading project > for Windows is called Nonvisual Desktop Access (NVDA). > http://www.kulgan.net/nvda/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jean Salzer [mailto:jeano@uwm.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:56 PM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] more than one question! > > > Hi all, > > I just met with some folks from a small, private college in the area. > They are interested in learning more about how colleges have > accommodated totally blind students with computer science > majors. We had > some discussion of assistive technology, however, part of > their concern > is the world of windows and graphics versus just 'code'. > > Question #1 - is there anyone out there who has been able to > accommodate > a qualified blind student through a 4-year degree program for > software > engineering? > > Question #2 - how well can the Tiger embosser and software work with > Jaws so the students can create tactile representations of > the graphics > they'll need for coursework completion? > > Question #3 - the students are siblings from Pakistan. Their > principle > goal with regard to completing this degree is to create a > screen reading > system similar to Jaws in Pakistani languages. Besides > connecting with > Freedom Scientific, are there any other suggestions for > achievement of > this goal besides them doing it themselves after 4-5 arduous > years in a > software engineering program? > > Thanks in advance. > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From john.gardner at orst.edu Tue Apr 24 14:49:05 2007 From: john.gardner at orst.edu (John Gardner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] more than one question! In-Reply-To: <462E52AC.7070605@uwm.edu> References: <462E52AC.7070605@uwm.edu> Message-ID: <004501c786ba$616e3500$a11919ac@johnz> Hello Jean, the answer to your first question is "yes", there have been many blind students complete BS degrees in computer science or software engineering. It hasn't been easy for most, but things are improving somewhat. The answer to your second question is yes as well, although a blind person needs more than a Tiger embosser to gain access to graphics. She needs to use IVEO in conjunction with that embosser, and occasionally may need some additional assistance from a sighted editor for really complex graphics. However a dedicated blind person can access most graphics without assistance, particularly the kinds of graphics common in computer science, physics, and mathematics. I know - I do it all the time. On the scale of access technologies, IVEO is a real bargain. ViewPlus sells the authoring software (IVEO Creator) and a touchpad for $1000. With that combination one can create and read accessible IVEO SVG files from any computer application, import from PDF, import from bit maps, and scan in from paper documents. Pardon me for this self-promotion, but since this is the answer you were hoping for, I presume you forgive me. Several people have already answered your final question. I agree that it's worth keeping up with open source developments. However Terry is mistaken about Thunder. Although Paul Blenkhorn, Thunder author, has a rather different business model from most, Thunder is not open source. I'll guess he's be open to collaboration for making Thunder work in Pakistan though. John -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Jean Salzer Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:56 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] more than one question! Hi all, I just met with some folks from a small, private college in the area. They are interested in learning more about how colleges have accommodated totally blind students with computer science majors. We had some discussion of assistive technology, however, part of their concern is the world of windows and graphics versus just 'code'. Question #1 - is there anyone out there who has been able to accommodate a qualified blind student through a 4-year degree program for software engineering? Question #2 - how well can the Tiger embosser and software work with Jaws so the students can create tactile representations of the graphics they'll need for coursework completion? Question #3 - the students are siblings from Pakistan. Their principle goal with regard to completing this degree is to create a screen reading system similar to Jaws in Pakistani languages. Besides connecting with Freedom Scientific, are there any other suggestions for achievement of this goal besides them doing it themselves after 4-5 arduous years in a software engineering program? Thanks in advance. From Michael.Nusen at ppcc.edu Tue Apr 24 15:21:50 2007 From: Michael.Nusen at ppcc.edu (Nusen, Michael) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] more than one question! In-Reply-To: <462E52AC.7070605@uwm.edu> Message-ID: <0B6DCE7FD0CAC8499F3F32584186A32504C3854F@ppcca1.ppcc.ccofc.edu> RE Ques #3: the below posting is from http://pakistaniat.com/2007/02/27/pakistan-internet-cafe-computer-softwa re-for-the-blind-disabled/ Aqil Sajjad Feb 27th, 2007 at 4:49 pm Quote Thanks for this post Bilal. However, I must clarify that my mention as the person who introduced the software to Pakistan is not accurate. I was just one of the first people to use it in Islamabad (simply because I was fortunate enough to have the means to buy it), and naturally, people needing info about screen reading software were often directed to me for their queries. So my name just got mentioned rather undeservingly in that daily times report. Anyway, the latest on the internet cafe is that it's up and running. They are developing some training manuals for Jaws with instructions in Urdu, which is really helpful for those who may not be too comfortable with English. The response has been encouraging, and they are even considering the possibility of holding some training workshops in other cities once in a while. Urdu software: yes, this is indeed a huge problem; what I understand with my discussion with some cs people is that it's going to take a while before we have an urdu speech program. The problem has to do with the way Urdu is written, especially the fact that it does not have vowels. But yes, I do hope that enough resources and effort is put into it. Eidee man, the open source community has not had much input in jaws and windows eyes. These are purely commercial programs. WinTriangle has been made an open source program, but not much has come of it. So it remains the rather crude program that it has been for the last 3-4 years or so, with a lot of room for improvement. Michael -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Jean Salzer Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:56 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] more than one question! Hi all, I just met with some folks from a small, private college in the area. They are interested in learning more about how colleges have accommodated totally blind students with computer science majors. We had some discussion of assistive technology, however, part of their concern is the world of windows and graphics versus just 'code'. Question #1 - is there anyone out there who has been able to accommodate a qualified blind student through a 4-year degree program for software engineering? Question #2 - how well can the Tiger embosser and software work with Jaws so the students can create tactile representations of the graphics they'll need for coursework completion? Question #3 - the students are siblings from Pakistan. Their principle goal with regard to completing this degree is to create a screen reading system similar to Jaws in Pakistani languages. Besides connecting with Freedom Scientific, are there any other suggestions for achievement of this goal besides them doing it themselves after 4-5 arduous years in a software engineering program? Thanks in advance. From dina.rosenbaum at carroll.org Wed Apr 25 08:20:05 2007 From: dina.rosenbaum at carroll.org (Dina Rosenbaum) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] International students who are blind In-Reply-To: <004501c786ba$616e3500$a11919ac@johnz> References: <462E52AC.7070605@uwm.edu> <004501c786ba$616e3500$a11919ac@johnz> Message-ID: <462F71A5.20102@carroll.org> Most of the development of this type of software development has been done in India. Students who have an interest like this should contact the India Association for the Blind to see what is already being done/development. There is braille translation software for Pakistan (Duxbury) and Dolphin Systems from England has speech programs in several languages. Robert Shelton --you can google him--is a NASA scientist who is blind, and there are many scientists at major universities who are blind, including MIT. However, blind persons in Pakistan are not typically rehabilitated like they are in the US. For example, they might be able to travel independently, or live independently (ie, family take care of them, and sight guide them everywhere--no sidewalks to walk independently so no need for independent travel skills, etc). So these might be greater issues than their academic abilities. John Gardner wrote: > Hello Jean, the answer to your first question is "yes", there have been > many blind students complete BS degrees in computer science or software > engineering. It hasn't been easy for most, but things are improving > somewhat. > > The answer to your second question is yes as well, although a blind person > needs more than a Tiger embosser to gain access to graphics. She needs to > use IVEO in conjunction with that embosser, and occasionally may need some > additional assistance from a sighted editor for really complex graphics. > However a dedicated blind person can access most graphics without > assistance, particularly the kinds of graphics common in computer science, > physics, and mathematics. I know - I do it all the time. On the scale of > access technologies, IVEO is a real bargain. ViewPlus sells the authoring > software (IVEO Creator) and a touchpad for $1000. With that combination one > can create and read accessible IVEO SVG files from any computer application, > import from PDF, import from bit maps, and scan in from paper documents. > Pardon me for this self-promotion, but since this is the answer you were > hoping for, I presume you forgive me. > > Several people have already answered your final question. I agree that it's > worth keeping up with open source developments. However Terry is mistaken > about Thunder. Although Paul Blenkhorn, Thunder author, has a rather > different business model from most, Thunder is not open source. I'll guess > he's be open to collaboration for making Thunder work in Pakistan though. > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Jean Salzer > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:56 AM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] more than one question! > > Hi all, > > I just met with some folks from a small, private college in the area. > They are interested in learning more about how colleges have accommodated > totally blind students with computer science majors. We had some discussion > of assistive technology, however, part of their concern is the world of > windows and graphics versus just 'code'. > > Question #1 - is there anyone out there who has been able to accommodate a > qualified blind student through a 4-year degree program for software > engineering? > > Question #2 - how well can the Tiger embosser and software work with Jaws so > the students can create tactile representations of the graphics they'll need > for coursework completion? > > Question #3 - the students are siblings from Pakistan. Their principle goal > with regard to completing this degree is to create a screen reading system > similar to Jaws in Pakistani languages. Besides connecting with Freedom > Scientific, are there any other suggestions for achievement of this goal > besides them doing it themselves after 4-5 arduous years in a software > engineering program? > > Thanks in advance. > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > -- Dina Rosenbaum Carroll Center for the BLind 770 Centre St, Newton, MA 02459 800-852-3131 www.carroll.org www.carrolltech.org From alice.anderson at doit.wisc.edu Wed Apr 25 11:14:51 2007 From: alice.anderson at doit.wisc.edu (Alice Anderson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] anyone have experience in real-time captioning Message-ID: ATHEN, Has anyone used real time captioning services for a live event - e.g., graduation ... and what has been your experience (quality, reliability, costs) or recommendations... thanks much, Alice Alice Anderson, Director MIDWEST Alliance for Science,Technology, Engineering and Math www.stemmidwest.org and Technology Accessibility Program (TAP) Division of Information Technology (DoIT) University of Wisconsin-Madison 1210 West Dayton Street (3124) Madison, WI 53705 http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/ Telephone: 608.262.2129 From saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu Wed Apr 25 11:32:30 2007 From: saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu (Saroj Primlani) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 15, Issue 40 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008101c78768$1553a3e0$dcc30798@sarojnewlaptop> The answer to the questions raised is yes to the first two questions. The challenge to creating a screen reader that will correctly phrase the short forms and speak the language would be the challenge. If they are interested, I have an Iranian Blind student who may be interested in working with them on it. Saroj _________________________________ Saroj Primlani Coordinator of University IT Accessibility ITD 919 513 4087 http://ncsu.edu/it/access -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of athen-request@athenpro.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:15 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 15, Issue 40 Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." Today's Topics: 1. ok one more question (Jean Salzer) 2. Re: more than one question! (Travis Roth) 3. Re: more than one question! (Terry Thompson) 4. Re: more than one question! (John Gardner) 5. Re: more than one question! (Nusen, Michael) 6. Re: International students who are blind (Dina Rosenbaum) 7. anyone have experience in real-time captioning (Alice Anderson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:02:58 -0500 From: Jean Salzer Subject: [Athen] ok one more question To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Message-ID: <462E5462.2080900@uwm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A suggestion question that was posed at the meeting previously mentioned was about a CRT that is tactile/tactual? I have a vague recollection of such a piece of softare, equipment from the 2000 AHEAD conference vendor session, but don't recall seeing anything since then... Anyone? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jeano.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 284 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20070424/2d206d64/attachment-0001. vcf ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:07:24 -0500 From: "Travis Roth" Subject: Re: [Athen] more than one question! To: , "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <00f101c786a3$cb60abd0$8119fea9@latitude> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, As for question 3: "Question #3 - the students are siblings from Pakistan. Their principle goal with regard to completing this degree is to create a screen reading system similar to Jaws in Pakistani languages. Besides connecting with Freedom Scientific, are there any other suggestions for achievement of this goal besides them doing it themselves after 4-5 arduous years in a software engineering program?" They of course could start from scratch. Depending on the study program and its goals, I'd suggest that they and their instructors evaluate adding this goal as a task to an existing open-source project. For example, an open source screen reader for Gnome (runs on Linux) is called Orca. Orca is written primarily in Python, and takes advantage of the accessibility API in Gnome. Find more info at http://live.gnome.org/Orca . Another recently launched open-source screen reading project for Windows is called Nonvisual Desktop Access (NVDA). http://www.kulgan.net/nvda/ -----Original Message----- From: Jean Salzer [mailto:jeano@uwm.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:56 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] more than one question! Hi all, I just met with some folks from a small, private college in the area. They are interested in learning more about how colleges have accommodated totally blind students with computer science majors. We had some discussion of assistive technology, however, part of their concern is the world of windows and graphics versus just 'code'. Question #1 - is there anyone out there who has been able to accommodate a qualified blind student through a 4-year degree program for software engineering? Question #2 - how well can the Tiger embosser and software work with Jaws so the students can create tactile representations of the graphics they'll need for coursework completion? Question #3 - the students are siblings from Pakistan. Their principle goal with regard to completing this degree is to create a screen reading system similar to Jaws in Pakistani languages. Besides connecting with Freedom Scientific, are there any other suggestions for achievement of this goal besides them doing it themselves after 4-5 arduous years in a software engineering program? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:39:53 -0700 From: "Terry Thompson" Subject: Re: [Athen] more than one question! To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <200704241939.l3OJdsUu002688@smtp.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In addition to those Travis mentioned, here are a couple more open source screen reader projects the students should be aware of: Thunder http://www.screenreader.net/ Firevox (not a full-blown screen reader, but a talking browser extension) http://firevox.clcworld.net/about.html Terry Thompson Technology Specialist, DO-IT University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 http://www.washington.edu/doit > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Travis Roth > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:07 PM > To: jeano@uwm.edu; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] more than one question! > > Hi, > > As for question 3: > "Question #3 - the students are siblings from Pakistan. Their > principle goal with regard to completing this degree is to > create a screen reading system similar to Jaws in Pakistani > languages. Besides connecting with Freedom Scientific, are > there any other suggestions for achievement of this goal > besides them doing it themselves after 4-5 arduous years in a > software engineering program?" > > They of course could start from scratch. > Depending on the study program and its goals, I'd suggest > that they and their instructors evaluate adding this goal as > a task to an existing open-source project. > > For example, an open source screen reader for Gnome (runs on > Linux) is called Orca. Orca is written primarily in Python, > and takes advantage of the accessibility API in Gnome. Find > more info at http://live.gnome.org/Orca . > > Another recently launched open-source screen reading project > for Windows is called Nonvisual Desktop Access (NVDA). > http://www.kulgan.net/nvda/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jean Salzer [mailto:jeano@uwm.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:56 PM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] more than one question! > > > Hi all, > > I just met with some folks from a small, private college in the area. > They are interested in learning more about how colleges have > accommodated totally blind students with computer science > majors. We had > some discussion of assistive technology, however, part of > their concern > is the world of windows and graphics versus just 'code'. > > Question #1 - is there anyone out there who has been able to > accommodate > a qualified blind student through a 4-year degree program for > software > engineering? > > Question #2 - how well can the Tiger embosser and software work with > Jaws so the students can create tactile representations of > the graphics > they'll need for coursework completion? > > Question #3 - the students are siblings from Pakistan. Their > principle > goal with regard to completing this degree is to create a > screen reading > system similar to Jaws in Pakistani languages. Besides > connecting with > Freedom Scientific, are there any other suggestions for > achievement of > this goal besides them doing it themselves after 4-5 arduous > years in a > software engineering program? > > Thanks in advance. > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:49:05 -0700 From: "John Gardner" Subject: Re: [Athen] more than one question! To: , "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <004501c786ba$616e3500$a11919ac@johnz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Jean, the answer to your first question is "yes", there have been many blind students complete BS degrees in computer science or software engineering. It hasn't been easy for most, but things are improving somewhat. The answer to your second question is yes as well, although a blind person needs more than a Tiger embosser to gain access to graphics. She needs to use IVEO in conjunction with that embosser, and occasionally may need some additional assistance from a sighted editor for really complex graphics. However a dedicated blind person can access most graphics without assistance, particularly the kinds of graphics common in computer science, physics, and mathematics. I know - I do it all the time. On the scale of access technologies, IVEO is a real bargain. ViewPlus sells the authoring software (IVEO Creator) and a touchpad for $1000. With that combination one can create and read accessible IVEO SVG files from any computer application, import from PDF, import from bit maps, and scan in from paper documents. Pardon me for this self-promotion, but since this is the answer you were hoping for, I presume you forgive me. Several people have already answered your final question. I agree that it's worth keeping up with open source developments. However Terry is mistaken about Thunder. Although Paul Blenkhorn, Thunder author, has a rather different business model from most, Thunder is not open source. I'll guess he's be open to collaboration for making Thunder work in Pakistan though. John -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Jean Salzer Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:56 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] more than one question! Hi all, I just met with some folks from a small, private college in the area. They are interested in learning more about how colleges have accommodated totally blind students with computer science majors. We had some discussion of assistive technology, however, part of their concern is the world of windows and graphics versus just 'code'. Question #1 - is there anyone out there who has been able to accommodate a qualified blind student through a 4-year degree program for software engineering? Question #2 - how well can the Tiger embosser and software work with Jaws so the students can create tactile representations of the graphics they'll need for coursework completion? Question #3 - the students are siblings from Pakistan. Their principle goal with regard to completing this degree is to create a screen reading system similar to Jaws in Pakistani languages. Besides connecting with Freedom Scientific, are there any other suggestions for achievement of this goal besides them doing it themselves after 4-5 arduous years in a software engineering program? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:21:50 -0600 From: "Nusen, Michael" Subject: Re: [Athen] more than one question! To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Message-ID: <0B6DCE7FD0CAC8499F3F32584186A32504C3854F@ppcca1.ppcc.ccofc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" RE Ques #3: the below posting is from http://pakistaniat.com/2007/02/27/pakistan-internet-cafe-computer-softwa re-for-the-blind-disabled/ Aqil Sajjad Feb 27th, 2007 at 4:49 pm Quote Thanks for this post Bilal. However, I must clarify that my mention as the person who introduced the software to Pakistan is not accurate. I was just one of the first people to use it in Islamabad (simply because I was fortunate enough to have the means to buy it), and naturally, people needing info about screen reading software were often directed to me for their queries. So my name just got mentioned rather undeservingly in that daily times report. Anyway, the latest on the internet cafe is that it's up and running. They are developing some training manuals for Jaws with instructions in Urdu, which is really helpful for those who may not be too comfortable with English. The response has been encouraging, and they are even considering the possibility of holding some training workshops in other cities once in a while. Urdu software: yes, this is indeed a huge problem; what I understand with my discussion with some cs people is that it's going to take a while before we have an urdu speech program. The problem has to do with the way Urdu is written, especially the fact that it does not have vowels. But yes, I do hope that enough resources and effort is put into it. Eidee man, the open source community has not had much input in jaws and windows eyes. These are purely commercial programs. WinTriangle has been made an open source program, but not much has come of it. So it remains the rather crude program that it has been for the last 3-4 years or so, with a lot of room for improvement. Michael -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Jean Salzer Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:56 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] more than one question! Hi all, I just met with some folks from a small, private college in the area. They are interested in learning more about how colleges have accommodated totally blind students with computer science majors. We had some discussion of assistive technology, however, part of their concern is the world of windows and graphics versus just 'code'. Question #1 - is there anyone out there who has been able to accommodate a qualified blind student through a 4-year degree program for software engineering? Question #2 - how well can the Tiger embosser and software work with Jaws so the students can create tactile representations of the graphics they'll need for coursework completion? Question #3 - the students are siblings from Pakistan. Their principle goal with regard to completing this degree is to create a screen reading system similar to Jaws in Pakistani languages. Besides connecting with Freedom Scientific, are there any other suggestions for achievement of this goal besides them doing it themselves after 4-5 arduous years in a software engineering program? Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:20:05 -0400 From: Dina Rosenbaum Subject: Re: [Athen] International students who are blind To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Message-ID: <462F71A5.20102@carroll.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Most of the development of this type of software development has been done in India. Students who have an interest like this should contact the India Association for the Blind to see what is already being done/development. There is braille translation software for Pakistan (Duxbury) and Dolphin Systems from England has speech programs in several languages. Robert Shelton --you can google him--is a NASA scientist who is blind, and there are many scientists at major universities who are blind, including MIT. However, blind persons in Pakistan are not typically rehabilitated like they are in the US. For example, they might be able to travel independently, or live independently (ie, family take care of them, and sight guide them everywhere--no sidewalks to walk independently so no need for independent travel skills, etc). So these might be greater issues than their academic abilities. John Gardner wrote: > Hello Jean, the answer to your first question is "yes", there have been > many blind students complete BS degrees in computer science or software > engineering. It hasn't been easy for most, but things are improving > somewhat. > > The answer to your second question is yes as well, although a blind person > needs more than a Tiger embosser to gain access to graphics. She needs to > use IVEO in conjunction with that embosser, and occasionally may need some > additional assistance from a sighted editor for really complex graphics. > However a dedicated blind person can access most graphics without > assistance, particularly the kinds of graphics common in computer science, > physics, and mathematics. I know - I do it all the time. On the scale of > access technologies, IVEO is a real bargain. ViewPlus sells the authoring > software (IVEO Creator) and a touchpad for $1000. With that combination one > can create and read accessible IVEO SVG files from any computer application, > import from PDF, import from bit maps, and scan in from paper documents. > Pardon me for this self-promotion, but since this is the answer you were > hoping for, I presume you forgive me. > > Several people have already answered your final question. I agree that it's > worth keeping up with open source developments. However Terry is mistaken > about Thunder. Although Paul Blenkhorn, Thunder author, has a rather > different business model from most, Thunder is not open source. I'll guess > he's be open to collaboration for making Thunder work in Pakistan though. > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Jean Salzer > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:56 AM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] more than one question! > > Hi all, > > I just met with some folks from a small, private college in the area. > They are interested in learning more about how colleges have accommodated > totally blind students with computer science majors. We had some discussion > of assistive technology, however, part of their concern is the world of > windows and graphics versus just 'code'. > > Question #1 - is there anyone out there who has been able to accommodate a > qualified blind student through a 4-year degree program for software > engineering? > > Question #2 - how well can the Tiger embosser and software work with Jaws so > the students can create tactile representations of the graphics they'll need > for coursework completion? > > Question #3 - the students are siblings from Pakistan. Their principle goal > with regard to completing this degree is to create a screen reading system > similar to Jaws in Pakistani languages. Besides connecting with Freedom > Scientific, are there any other suggestions for achievement of this goal > besides them doing it themselves after 4-5 arduous years in a software > engineering program? > > Thanks in advance. > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > -- Dina Rosenbaum Carroll Center for the BLind 770 Centre St, Newton, MA 02459 800-852-3131 www.carroll.org www.carrolltech.org ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:14:51 -0500 From: Alice Anderson Subject: [Athen] anyone have experience in real-time captioning To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed ATHEN, Has anyone used real time captioning services for a live event - e.g., graduation ... and what has been your experience (quality, reliability, costs) or recommendations... thanks much, Alice Alice Anderson, Director MIDWEST Alliance for Science,Technology, Engineering and Math www.stemmidwest.org and Technology Accessibility Program (TAP) Division of Information Technology (DoIT) University of Wisconsin-Madison 1210 West Dayton Street (3124) Madison, WI 53705 http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/ Telephone: 608.262.2129 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 15, Issue 40 ************************************* From jeano at uwm.edu Wed Apr 25 11:46:51 2007 From: jeano at uwm.edu (Jean Salzer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Thanks so much! Message-ID: <462FA21B.5000807@uwm.edu> Thanks everyone for your responses. I've forwarded them on to the DSS coordinator at the college, who'll hopefully forward them to the faculty and provost. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jeano.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 284 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jhumbert at purdue.edu Wed Apr 25 11:47:51 2007 From: jhumbert at purdue.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] iTunes U Accessiblity Initiative In-Reply-To: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C90189A9F9@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> References: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901256423@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C90189A9F9@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> Message-ID: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901CAA036@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> Hi All! Sorry about not getting this out on Monday, but I am crazy busy from now till May 1st. Well after receiving emails about what people should be chosen or not I have decided to just let everyone help. But if you do decide to take a part of the project I will hold you responsible. Now that that is out of the way we all need to have a teleconference to get things rolling I was thinking Tuesday May 8th at 2 pm. If that does not work for all who volunteered please suggest another time. May 11th is out because I will be in Indy preparing for my new job with IUPUI. So let me know if you can do the teleconference on the 8th and I'll get things set up. Thankx. Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Purdue University - ITaP - TLT Office: STEW 111 Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu Phone: 765-494-4387 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] iTunes U Accessiblity Initiative Hi All! Here is the list of those who replied as interested: Dick Banks Saroj Primlani Patrick J. Burke Pratik patel Sarah Horton Lisa Marie Fiedor Kestrell? Mark Hall Sean Keegan Kathleen Cahill Mary Cheng Terry Thompson Jayme Johnson Pratik Dan Comden Chris Doucet John Foliot (possibly) I will let you and everyone know who I have chosen by Monday April 23rd at the latest and begin to setup meeting /teleconference dates. I want to keep the group to 7 plus me. Thank you to all those who volunteered. Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Purdue University - ITaP - TLT Office: STEW 111 Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu Phone: 765-494-4387 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:50 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] iTunes U Accessiblity Initiative Hi All! I was the one who volunteered to lead the charge on the iTunes U Accessibility Initiative. So I am ready to get the ball rolling, but first we need to decide on a few items. 1. I need 5-7 volunteers to be on the committee 2. The committee members need to decide on the Scope of the project 3. The committee needs to define a timeline for the project 4. The committee needs to decide if we want to aim for a competition date to present at ATIA, CSUN or other conferences. I want to get this project under way ASAP. Dan how should we collaborate with CSU on this project? I read the documents and they seem to be a great starting point. Thankx. Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Purdue University - ITaP - TLT Office: STEW 111 Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu Phone: 765-494-4387 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now that that is out of the way we all need to have a teleconference to get things rolling I was thinking Tuesday May 8th at 2 pm. If that does not work for all who volunteered please suggest another time. May 11th is out because I will be in Indy preparing for my new job with IUPUI. So let me know if you can do the teleconference on the 8th and I'll get things set up. Thankx. Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Purdue University - ITaP - TLT Office: STEW 111 Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu Phone: 765-494-4387 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] iTunes U Accessiblity Initiative Hi All! Here is the list of those who replied as interested: Dick Banks Saroj Primlani Patrick J. Burke Pratik patel Sarah Horton Lisa Marie Fiedor Kestrell? Mark Hall Sean Keegan Kathleen Cahill Mary Cheng Terry Thompson Jayme Johnson Pratik Dan Comden Chris Doucet John Foliot (possibly) I will let you and everyone know who I have chosen by Monday April 23rd at the latest and begin to setup meeting /teleconference dates. I want to keep the group to 7 plus me. Thank you to all those who volunteered. Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Purdue University - ITaP - TLT Office: STEW 111 Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu Phone: 765-494-4387 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:50 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] iTunes U Accessiblity Initiative Hi All! I was the one who volunteered to lead the charge on the iTunes U Accessibility Initiative. So I am ready to get the ball rolling, but first we need to decide on a few items. 1. I need 5-7 volunteers to be on the committee 2. The committee members need to decide on the Scope of the project 3. The committee needs to define a timeline for the project 4. The committee needs to decide if we want to aim for a competition date to present at ATIA, CSUN or other conferences. I want to get this project under way ASAP. Dan how should we collaborate with CSU on this project? I read the documents and they seem to be a great starting point. Thankx. Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Purdue University - ITaP - TLT Office: STEW 111 Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu Phone: 765-494-4387 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now that that is out of the way we all need >to have a teleconference to get things rolling I was thinking >Tuesday May 8th at 2 pm. If that does not work for all who >volunteered please suggest another time. May 11th is out because I >will be in Indy preparing for my new job with IUPUI. So let me know >if you can do the teleconference on the 8th and I'll get things set >up. Thankx. > >Joe Humbert >Assistive Technology Specialist >Purdue University - ITaP - TLT >Office: STEW 111 >Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu >Phone: 765-494-4387 -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke@ucla.edu From jhumbert at purdue.edu Wed Apr 25 12:26:55 2007 From: jhumbert at purdue.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] iTunes U Accessiblity Initiative In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070425120920.0285c290@ucla.edu> References: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901256423@EXCH02.purdue.lcl><310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C90189A9F9@EXCH02.purdue.lcl><310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901CAA036@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> <7.0.1.0.2.20070425120920.0285c290@ucla.edu> Message-ID: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901CAA058@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> Eastern Standard Timezone Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Purdue University - ITaP - TLT Office: STEW 111 Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu Phone: 765-494-4387 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Burke Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:12 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] iTunes U Accessiblity Initiative Hi Joe, Which timezone? ... Thanks, Patrick At 11:47 AM 4/25/2007, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: >Hi All! > >Sorry about not getting this out on Monday, but I am crazy busy from >now till May 1st. Well after receiving emails about what people >should be chosen or not I have decided to just let everyone >help. But if you do decide to take a part of the project I will >hold you responsible. Now that that is out of the way we all need >to have a teleconference to get things rolling I was thinking >Tuesday May 8th at 2 pm. If that does not work for all who >volunteered please suggest another time. May 11th is out because I >will be in Indy preparing for my new job with IUPUI. So let me know >if you can do the teleconference on the 8th and I'll get things set >up. Thankx. > >Joe Humbert >Assistive Technology Specialist >Purdue University - ITaP - TLT >Office: STEW 111 >Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu >Phone: 765-494-4387 -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke@ucla.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From tft at u.washington.edu Wed Apr 25 14:45:37 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] IT Accessibility Constituent Group @ EDUCAUSE Message-ID: <200704252145.l3PLjcMM009579@smtp.washington.edu> Colleagues, I am writing to announce the formation of the EDUCAUSE Constituent Group on Information Technology (IT) Accessibility. This group provides an opportunity for higher education accessible technology professionals to have a voice within the larger higher education IT realm. EDUCAUSE is the leading association related to higher education technology, whose stated mission is "to advance higher education by promoting the intelligent use of information technology." The current membership comprises 16,500 active members representing over 2,100 colleges, universities, and educational organizations, including 200 corporations. As a constituent group, we will have an opportunity to openly discuss the important accessibility-related issues that we face, much as we already do on the ATHEN list, but within a venue that will include a broader audience of EDUCAUSE members, including faculty and staff who are using, developing, purchasing, administering, and influencing the direction of technology in higher education. As documented in the group's formal description, "The IT Accessibility Constituent Group will help the EDUCAUSE community to assess the scope of issues of universal IT accessibility, to identify resources and initiatives, to develop best practices on policy and assistive program and service development, and in general to focus on how to approach campus-wide universal access of information by engaging in dialogue across boundaries within and beyond the campus environment." The Constituent Group has been widely announced in various key places throughout the EDUCAUSE website, and upcoming announcements are planned for the EDUCAUSE News blog and the EDUCAUSE Online monthly e-newsletter, which has over 11,000 subscribers. This is a superb opportunity to expand the scope of participation in accessibility discussions beyond our narrow niche. Please take a moment to subscribe to the IT Accessibility Constituent Group discussion list, and help to get the conversation started: http://www.educause.edu/groups/itaccess Thanks! Terry Terry Thompson DO-IT, University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 From kcahill at MIT.EDU Wed Apr 25 17:39:59 2007 From: kcahill at MIT.EDU (Kathleen Cahill) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] IT Accessibility Constituent Group @ EDUCAUSE In-Reply-To: <200704252145.l3PLjcMM009579@smtp.washington.edu> References: <200704252145.l3PLjcMM009579@smtp.washington.edu> Message-ID: <462FF4DF.9020604@mit.edu> This is great, Terry. Thanks for giving accessibility a wider forum, especially with the decision makers. Kathy Terry Thompson wrote: > Colleagues, > > I am writing to announce the formation of the EDUCAUSE Constituent Group on > Information Technology (IT) Accessibility. This group provides an > opportunity for higher education accessible technology professionals to have > a voice within the larger higher education IT realm. EDUCAUSE is the > leading association related to higher education technology, whose stated > mission is "to advance higher education by promoting the intelligent use of > information technology." The current membership comprises 16,500 active > members representing over 2,100 colleges, universities, and educational > organizations, including 200 corporations. > > As a constituent group, we will have an opportunity to openly discuss the > important accessibility-related issues that we face, much as we already do > on the ATHEN list, but within a venue that will include a broader audience > of EDUCAUSE members, including faculty and staff who are using, developing, > purchasing, administering, and influencing the direction of technology in > higher education. > > As documented in the group's formal description, "The IT Accessibility > Constituent Group will help the EDUCAUSE community to assess the scope of > issues of universal IT accessibility, to identify resources and initiatives, > to develop best practices on policy and assistive program and service > development, and in general to focus on how to approach campus-wide > universal access of information by engaging in dialogue across boundaries > within and beyond the campus environment." > > The Constituent Group has been widely announced in various key places > throughout the EDUCAUSE website, and upcoming announcements are planned for > the EDUCAUSE News blog and the EDUCAUSE Online monthly e-newsletter, which > has over 11,000 subscribers. This is a superb opportunity to expand the > scope of participation in accessibility discussions beyond our narrow niche. > Please take a moment to subscribe to the IT Accessibility Constituent Group > discussion list, and help to get the conversation started: > > http://www.educause.edu/groups/itaccess > > Thanks! > Terry > > Terry Thompson > DO-IT, University of Washington > tft@u.washington.edu > 206/221-4168 > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Apr 26 04:17:23 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] anyone have experience in real-time captioning References: Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E5BC@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> We do this for our main ceremony at Nickerson Field. It is semi-real-time in that we are able to get the text of the speeches to the captionist just prior to the ceremony. Individual programs are able to hire captionist as necessary. We are very fortunate to have the pros from WGBH right in our backyard and they are contracted every year.: http://main.wgbh.org/wgbh/pages/mag/services/captioning/ The response has been overwhelmingly positive -- especially from our older commencement guests. Call me if you want more details. Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Alice Anderson Sent: Wed 4/25/2007 2:14 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] anyone have experience in real-time captioning ATHEN, Has anyone used real time captioning services for a live event - e.g., graduation ... and what has been your experience (quality, reliability, costs) or recommendations... thanks much, Alice Alice Anderson, Director MIDWEST Alliance for Science,Technology, Engineering and Math www.stemmidwest.org and Technology Accessibility Program (TAP) Division of Information Technology (DoIT) University of Wisconsin-Madison 1210 West Dayton Street (3124) Madison, WI 53705 http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/ Telephone: 608.262.2129 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From norm.coombs at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 07:45:53 2007 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] IT Accessibility Constituent Group @ EDUCAUSE In-Reply-To: <200704252145.l3PLjcMM009579@smtp.washington.edu> References: <200704252145.l3PLjcMM009579@smtp.washington.edu> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20070426074511.022aa870@pop.gmail.com> Terry: You deserve a medal! Now it is up to all of us to find out how we get involved and actively support this activity. Norm At 02:45 PM 4/25/2007, you wrote: >Colleagues, > >I am writing to announce the formation of the EDUCAUSE Constituent Group on >Information Technology (IT) Accessibility. This group provides an >opportunity for higher education accessible technology professionals to have >a voice within the larger higher education IT realm. EDUCAUSE is the >leading association related to higher education technology, whose stated >mission is "to advance higher education by promoting the intelligent use of >information technology." The current membership comprises 16,500 active >members representing over 2,100 colleges, universities, and educational >organizations, including 200 corporations. > >As a constituent group, we will have an opportunity to openly discuss the >important accessibility-related issues that we face, much as we already do >on the ATHEN list, but within a venue that will include a broader audience >of EDUCAUSE members, including faculty and staff who are using, developing, >purchasing, administering, and influencing the direction of technology in >higher education. > >As documented in the group's formal description, "The IT Accessibility >Constituent Group will help the EDUCAUSE community to assess the scope of >issues of universal IT accessibility, to identify resources and initiatives, >to develop best practices on policy and assistive program and service >development, and in general to focus on how to approach campus-wide >universal access of information by engaging in dialogue across boundaries >within and beyond the campus environment." > >The Constituent Group has been widely announced in various key places >throughout the EDUCAUSE website, and upcoming announcements are planned for >the EDUCAUSE News blog and the EDUCAUSE Online monthly e-newsletter, which >has over 11,000 subscribers. This is a superb opportunity to expand the >scope of participation in accessibility discussions beyond our narrow niche. >Please take a moment to subscribe to the IT Accessibility Constituent Group >discussion list, and help to get the conversation started: > >http://www.educause.edu/groups/itaccess > >Thanks! >Terry > >Terry Thompson >DO-IT, University of Washington >tft@u.washington.edu >206/221-4168 > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ---------------------------------------- Webinar Series on Accessible Powerpoint starting April 19 http//easi.cc/clinic.htm May Courses Barrier-free Information Technology (4-week online course starting May 7) http//easi.cc/workshop.htm Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content (4-week online course starting May 7) http//easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs, Ph.D. CEO EASI (http//easi.cc) 22196 Caminito Tasquillo Laguna Hills CA 92653 (949) 855-4852 (Pacific time zone) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Accessible E-textbooks for Students: May 1 2 PM Eastern Presenters: Nicole Gaines, NIMAC Manager, American Printinghouse for the Blind Julia Myers, Director, Resource Services and NIMAC, American Printing House for the Blind, Skip Stahl, Project Director, NIMAS Development Center, Center for Applied Special Technology President Bush signed the Individuals with Disabilities Education Improvement Act of 2004 (IDEA) on December 3, 2004 which, among other things, mandated the provision of textbooks and instructional materials in accessible formats for students who are blind or print disabled. While the legislation relates to K-12 students, we believe that the more that publishers are creating accessible e-textbooks for K-12 that they will inevitably expand to a broader audience. If not, there will be an outcry from K-12 students as they transition into higher education wanting the same quality of support for their studies. This will be like dropping a pebble into the water. The wave will expand to include higher ed and the general public. Learning about this dramatic e-book revolution is important for all of us. This presentation will focus on NIMAS, (National Instructional Materials Accessibility Standard), the role of APH, (American Printinghouse for the Dlind) and the role of CAST, (Center for Applied Special Technology). The National Instructional Materials Access Center (NIMAC) is a file repository for core print textbooks and related instructional materials required for use by blind or other persons with print disabilities in elementary and secondary schools in the U.S. and its territories. These National Instructional Materials Accessibility Standard (NIMAS) source file sets can be used to create specialized formats, such as braille, large print, audio, or digital text. The NIMAC opened in December 2006. CAST is the home of the NIMAS Development Center and the NIMAS Technical Assistance Center, Cooperative agreements with the Office of Special Education Programs, United States Department of Education. While this Webinar is free, you need to register in advance to guarantee a seat in the room. (Those who register, whether or not they attend, will afterwards receive a link to the recording. When you connect over the Internet to the Webinar room, you can listen to the presenters and watch as supporting Web pages are pushed to reinforce the presentation. The audience can also make comments or ask questions either by using a mic to talk or by writing into the room's text window. To read more and register to reserve a seat and to get login information for this free event, go to: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm Look for other future Webinars on that page. We have several being finalized and they should be on that page very soon. The EASI month-long, online courses on accessible Information Technology for May are: Barrier-free Information Technology (4-week online course starting May 7) http//easi.cc/workshop.htm Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content (4-week online course starting May 7) http//easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs CEO EASI ----------------------- Check out EASI's New Synchronous Clinics: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm EASI Home Page http://www.rit.edu/~easi Online Courses and Clinics http://easi.cc/workshop.htm To sign off this list send e-mail to listserv@listserv.icors.org saying signoff itd-jnl --=====================_88253984==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" EASI Webinar: The Future of E--books Is Here! Accessible E-textbooks for Students: May 1 2 PM Eastern Presenters: Nicole Gaines, NIMAC Manager, American Printinghouse for the Blind Julia Myers, Director, Resource Services and NIMAC, American Printing House for the Blind, Skip Stahl, Project Director, NIMAS Development Center, Center for Applied Special Technology President Bush signed the Individuals with Disabilities Education Improvement Act of 2004 (IDEA) on December 3, 2004 which, among other things, mandated the provision of textbooks and instructional materials in accessible formats for students who are blind or print disabled. While the legislation relates to K-12 students, we believe that the more that publishers are creating accessible e-textbooks for K-12 that they will inevitably expand to a broader audience. If not, there will be an outcry from K-12 students as they transition into higher education wanting the same quality of support for their studies. This will be like dropping a pebble into the water. The wave will expand to include higher ed and the general public. Learning about this dramatic e-book revolution is important for all of us. This presentation will focus on NIMAS, (National Instructional Materials Accessibility Standard), the role of APH, (American Printinghouse for the Dlind) and the role of CAST, (Center for Applied Special Technology). The National Instructional Materials Access Center (NIMAC) is a file repository for core print textbooks and related instructional materials required for use by blind or other persons with print disabilities in elementary and secondary schools in the U.S. and its territories. These National Instructional Materials Accessibility Standard (NIMAS) source file sets can be used to create specialized formats, such as braille, large print, audio, or digital text. The NIMAC opened in December 2006. CAST is the home of the NIMAS Development Center and the NIMAS Technical Assistance Center, Cooperative agreements with the Office of Special Education Programs, United States Department of Education. While this Webinar is free, you need to register in advance to guarantee a seat in the room. (Those who register, whether or not they attend, will afterwards receive a link to the recording. When you connect over the Internet to the Webinar room, you can listen to the presenters and watch as supporting Web pages are pushed to reinforce the presentation. The audience can also make comments or ask questions either by using a mic to talk or by writing into the room's text window. To read more and register to reserve a seat and to get login information for this free event, go to: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm Look for other future Webinars on that page. We have several being finalized and they should be on that page very soon. The EASI month-long, online courses on accessible Information Technology for May are: Barrier-free Information Technology (4-week online course starting May 7) http//easi.cc/workshop.htm Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content (4-week online course starting May 7) http//easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs CEO EASI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norm.coombs at GMAIL.COM Thu Apr 26 09:12:21 2007 From: norm.coombs at GMAIL.COM (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI Podcast) Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20070426091126.02220780@pop.gmail.com> --=====================_90336390==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with disabilities and is working to make all of their products more accessible to this population. In March, Google came to the giant international conference on People with Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State University Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple presentations. Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will have a link to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to bring this to our EASI friends. This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google presentation: http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 You can find the EASI Podcasts at http://easi.cc/podcasts/ There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where you can subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk in the next month or two. Watch for an announcement at: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools to help institutions make their computer and information technology resources more accessible to users with disabilities. Norman Coombs CEO EASI ----------------------- Check out EASI's New Synchronous Clinics: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm EASI Home Page http://www.rit.edu/~easi Online Courses and Clinics http://easi.cc/workshop.htm To sign off this list send e-mail to listserv@listserv.icors.org saying signoff itd-jnl --=====================_90336390==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with disabilities and is working to make all of their products more accessible to this population. In March, Google came to the giant international conference on People with Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State University Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple presentations. Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will have a link to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to bring this to our EASI friends. This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google presentation: http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 You can find the EASI Podcasts at http://easi.cc/podcasts/ There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where you can subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk in the next month or two. Watch for an announcement at: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools to help institutions make their computer and information technology resources more accessible to users with disabilities. Norman Coombs CEO EASI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dick.banks at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 09:16:15 2007 From: dick.banks at gmail.com (Dick Banks) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI Podcast) In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20070426091126.02220780@pop.gmail.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20070426091126.02220780@pop.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6441e6a70704260916i26c4431cs3ad77e8b074025b1@mail.gmail.com> Norm I am getting an error when I click on the Google promo. It tells me that I am forbiden from getting the file. Try it. http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 Dick On 4/26/07, Prof Norm Coombs wrote: > > --=====================_90336390==.ALT > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with disabilities and is > working to make all of their products more accessible to this > population. In March, Google came to the giant international conference on > People with Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State > University Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple > presentations. > > Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will have a > link to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to bring this > to our EASI friends. > > This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > presentation: > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > You can find the EASI Podcasts at > http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select > the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where you can > subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk in the next > month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using > Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools to help > institutions make their computer and information technology resources more > accessible to users with disabilities. > > Norman Coombs > CEO EASI > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > Check out EASI's New Synchronous Clinics: > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > EASI Home Page http://www.rit.edu/~easi > Online Courses and Clinics http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > To sign off this list > send e-mail to listserv@listserv.icors.org saying > signoff itd-jnl > > > --=====================_90336390==.ALT > Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > > Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with disabilities and is > working to make all of their products more accessible to this population. > In March, Google came to the giant international conference on People with > Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State University > Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple presentations. > > Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will have a link > to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to bring this to our > EASI friends. > > This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > presentation: > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > You can find the EASI Podcasts at > http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select > the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where you can > subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk in the next > month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using > Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools to help > institutions make their computer and information technology resources more > accessible to users with disabilities. > > Norman Coombs > CEO EASI > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- Dick Banks CTO - EASI: Equal Access to Software and Information Online Course Starting May 7 Barrier-free Information Technology http://easi.cc/workshops/adaptit.htm Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content http://easi.cc/workshops/text.htm From norm.coombs at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 09:20:17 2007 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI Podcast) In-Reply-To: <6441e6a70704260916i26c4431cs3ad77e8b074025b1@mail.gmail.co m> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20070426091126.02220780@pop.gmail.com> <6441e6a70704260916i26c4431cs3ad77e8b074025b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20070426092009.0220cb00@pop.gmail.com> It plays for me. At 09:16 AM 4/26/2007, you wrote: >Norm >I am getting an error when I click on the Google promo. It tells me >that I am forbiden from getting the file. Try it. > >http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > >Dick > >On 4/26/07, Prof Norm Coombs wrote: > > > > --=====================_90336390==.ALT > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with disabilities and is > > working to make all of their products more accessible to this > > population. In March, Google came to the giant international > conference on > > People with Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State > > University Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple > > presentations. > > > > Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > > audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will have a > > link to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to bring this > > to our EASI friends. > > > > This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > > presentation: > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > You can find the EASI Podcasts at > > http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > > > There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select > > the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where you can > > subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > > > EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk in the next > > month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using > > Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools to help > > institutions make their computer and information technology resources more > > accessible to users with disabilities. > > > > Norman Coombs > > CEO EASI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > > Check out EASI's New Synchronous Clinics: > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > EASI Home Page http://www.rit.edu/~easi > > Online Courses and Clinics http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > > To sign off this list > > send e-mail to listserv@listserv.icors.org saying > > signoff itd-jnl > > > > > > --=====================_90336390==.ALT > > Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with disabilities and is > > working to make all of their products more accessible to this population. > > In March, Google came to the giant international conference on People with > > Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State University > > Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple presentations. > > > > Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > > audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will have a > link > > to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to bring this > to our > > EASI friends. > > > > This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > > presentation: > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > You can find the EASI Podcasts at > > http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > > > There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select > > the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where you can > > subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > > > EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk in the next > > month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using > > Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools to help > > institutions make their computer and information technology resources more > > accessible to users with disabilities. > > > > Norman Coombs > > CEO EASI > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > >-- >Dick Banks >CTO - EASI: Equal Access to Software and Information > >Online Course Starting May 7 >Barrier-free Information Technology >http://easi.cc/workshops/adaptit.htm > >Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content >http://easi.cc/workshops/text.htm > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ---------------------------------------- Webinar Series on Accessible Powerpoint starting April 19 http//easi.cc/clinic.htm May Courses Barrier-free Information Technology (4-week online course starting May 7) http//easi.cc/workshop.htm Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content (4-week online course starting May 7) http//easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs, Ph.D. CEO EASI (http//easi.cc) 22196 Caminito Tasquillo Laguna Hills CA 92653 (949) 855-4852 (Pacific time zone) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dick.banks at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 09:26:09 2007 From: dick.banks at gmail.com (Dick Banks) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI Podcast) In-Reply-To: <6441e6a70704260916i26c4431cs3ad77e8b074025b1@mail.gmail.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20070426091126.02220780@pop.gmail.com> <6441e6a70704260916i26c4431cs3ad77e8b074025b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6441e6a70704260926h4f0ab566q624562bc0874a8e8@mail.gmail.com> Must have been a temporary glitch or something, because it works fine for me now as well. On 4/26/07, Dick Banks wrote: > Norm > I am getting an error when I click on the Google promo. It tells me > that I am forbiden from getting the file. Try it. > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > Dick > > On 4/26/07, Prof Norm Coombs wrote: > > > > --=====================_90336390==.ALT > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with disabilities and is > > working to make all of their products more accessible to this > > population. In March, Google came to the giant international conference on > > People with Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State > > University Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple > > presentations. > > > > Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > > audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will have a > > link to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to bring this > > to our EASI friends. > > > > This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > > presentation: > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > You can find the EASI Podcasts at > > http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > > > There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select > > the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where you can > > subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > > > EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk in the next > > month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using > > Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools to help > > institutions make their computer and information technology resources more > > accessible to users with disabilities. > > > > Norman Coombs > > CEO EASI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > > Check out EASI's New Synchronous Clinics: > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > EASI Home Page http://www.rit.edu/~easi > > Online Courses and Clinics http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > > To sign off this list > > send e-mail to listserv@listserv.icors.org saying > > signoff itd-jnl > > > > > > --=====================_90336390==.ALT > > Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with disabilities and is > > working to make all of their products more accessible to this population. > > In March, Google came to the giant international conference on People with > > Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State University > > Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple presentations. > > > > Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > > audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will have a link > > to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to bring this to our > > EASI friends. > > > > This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > > presentation: > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > You can find the EASI Podcasts at > > http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > > > There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select > > the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where you can > > subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > > > EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk in the next > > month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using > > Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools to help > > institutions make their computer and information technology resources more > > accessible to users with disabilities. > > > > Norman Coombs > > CEO EASI > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > -- > Dick Banks > CTO - EASI: Equal Access to Software and Information > > Online Course Starting May 7 > Barrier-free Information Technology > http://easi.cc/workshops/adaptit.htm > > Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content > http://easi.cc/workshops/text.htm > -- Dick Banks CTO - EASI: Equal Access to Software and Information Online Course Starting May 7 Barrier-free Information Technology http://easi.cc/workshops/adaptit.htm Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content http://easi.cc/workshops/text.htm From mhall at ultech.com Thu Apr 26 10:48:00 2007 From: mhall at ultech.com (Mark Hall) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] EASI Podcast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200704261421622.SM02020@mark.ultech.com> The archived podcasts are not captioned. Why? At 12:26 PM 4/26/2007, you wrote: >Send Athen mailing list submissions to > athen@athenpro.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-request@athenpro.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-owner@athenpro.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI Podcast) > (Prof Norm Coombs) > 2. Re: Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI Podcast) > (Dick Banks) > 3. Re: Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI Podcast) > (Prof Norm Coombs) > 4. Re: Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI Podcast) > (Dick Banks) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:12:21 -0700 >From: Prof Norm Coombs (by way of Prof Norm > Coombs ) >Subject: [Athen] Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI Podcast) >To: athen@athenpro.org >Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20070426091126.02220780@pop.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >--=====================_90336390==.ALT >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with disabilities and is >working to make all of their products more accessible to this >population. In March, Google came to the giant international conference on >People with Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State >University Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple >presentations. > >Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the >audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will have a >link to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to bring this >to our EASI friends. > >This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google presentation: >http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > >You can find the EASI Podcasts at >http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > >There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select >the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where you can >subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > >EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk in the next >month or two. Watch for an announcement at: >http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > >EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using >Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools to help >institutions make their computer and information technology resources more >accessible to users with disabilities. > >Norman Coombs >CEO EASI > > > > > > > >----------------------- >Check out EASI's New Synchronous Clinics: >http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > >EASI Home Page http://www.rit.edu/~easi >Online Courses and Clinics http://easi.cc/workshop.htm >To sign off this list >send e-mail to listserv@listserv.icors.org saying >signoff itd-jnl > > >--=====================_90336390==.ALT >Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > >Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with disabilities and is >working to make all of their products more accessible to this >population. In March, Google came to the giant international conference on >People with Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State >University Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple >presentations. > >Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the >audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will have a >link to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to bring this >to our EASI friends. > >This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google presentation: >http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > >You can find the EASI Podcasts at >http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > >There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select >the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where you can >subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > >EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk in the next >month or two. Watch for an announcement at: >http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > >EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using >Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools to help >institutions make their computer and information technology resources more >accessible to users with disabilities. > >Norman Coombs >CEO EASI > > > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20070426/9d152879/attachment-0001.html > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:16:15 -0500 >From: "Dick Banks" >Subject: Re: [Athen] Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI > Podcast) >To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" > >Message-ID: > <6441e6a70704260916i26c4431cs3ad77e8b074025b1@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Norm >I am getting an error when I click on the Google promo. It tells me >that I am forbiden from getting the file. Try it. > >http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > >Dick > >On 4/26/07, Prof Norm Coombs wrote: > > > > --=====================_90336390==.ALT > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with disabilities and is > > working to make all of their products more accessible to this > > population. In March, Google came to the giant international > conference on > > People with Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State > > University Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple > > presentations. > > > > Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > > audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will have a > > link to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to bring this > > to our EASI friends. > > > > This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > > presentation: > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > You can find the EASI Podcasts at > > http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > > > There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select > > the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where you can > > subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > > > EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk in the next > > month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using > > Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools to help > > institutions make their computer and information technology resources more > > accessible to users with disabilities. > > > > Norman Coombs > > CEO EASI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > > Check out EASI's New Synchronous Clinics: > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > EASI Home Page http://www.rit.edu/~easi > > Online Courses and Clinics http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > > To sign off this list > > send e-mail to listserv@listserv.icors.org saying > > signoff itd-jnl > > > > > > --=====================_90336390==.ALT > > Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with disabilities and is > > working to make all of their products more accessible to this population. > > In March, Google came to the giant international conference on People with > > Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State University > > Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple presentations. > > > > Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > > audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will > have a link > > to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to bring > this to our > > EASI friends. > > > > This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > > presentation: > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > You can find the EASI Podcasts at > > http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > > > There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select > > the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where you can > > subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > > > EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk in the next > > month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using > > Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools to help > > institutions make their computer and information technology resources more > > accessible to users with disabilities. > > > > Norman Coombs > > CEO EASI > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > >-- >Dick Banks >CTO - EASI: Equal Access to Software and Information > >Online Course Starting May 7 >Barrier-free Information Technology >http://easi.cc/workshops/adaptit.htm > >Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content >http://easi.cc/workshops/text.htm > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:20:17 -0700 >From: Prof Norm Coombs >Subject: Re: [Athen] Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI > Podcast) >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > >Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20070426092009.0220cb00@pop.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >It plays for me. >At 09:16 AM 4/26/2007, you wrote: > >Norm > >I am getting an error when I click on the Google promo. It tells me > >that I am forbiden from getting the file. Try it. > > > >http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > >Dick > > > >On 4/26/07, Prof Norm Coombs wrote: > > > > > > --=====================_90336390==.ALT > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > > > Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with > disabilities and is > > > working to make all of their products more accessible to this > > > population. In March, Google came to the giant international > > conference on > > > People with Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN > (California State > > > University Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple > > > presentations. > > > > > > Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > > > audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will have a > > > link to documents used in that presentation. We are excited > to bring this > > > to our EASI friends. > > > > > > This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > > > presentation: > > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > > > You can find the EASI Podcasts at > > > http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > > > > > There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select > > > the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page > where you can > > > subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > > > > > EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk > in the next > > > month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > > > EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using > > > Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet > tools to help > > > institutions make their computer and information technology > resources more > > > accessible to users with disabilities. > > > > > > Norman Coombs > > > CEO EASI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > > > Check out EASI's New Synchronous Clinics: > > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > > > EASI Home Page http://www.rit.edu/~easi > > > Online Courses and Clinics http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > > > To sign off this list > > > send e-mail to listserv@listserv.icors.org saying > > > signoff itd-jnl > > > > > > > > > --=====================_90336390==.ALT > > > Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with > disabilities and is > > > working to make all of their products more accessible to this population. > > > In March, Google came to the giant international conference on > People with > > > Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State University > > > Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple presentations. > > > > > > Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > > > audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will have a > > link > > > to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to bring this > > to our > > > EASI friends. > > > > > > This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > > > presentation: > > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > > > You can find the EASI Podcasts at > > > http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > > > > > There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select > > > the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where you can > > > subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > > > > > EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk > in the next > > > month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > > > EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using > > > Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools to help > > > institutions make their computer and information technology > resources more > > > accessible to users with disabilities. > > > > > > Norman Coombs > > > CEO EASI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Athen mailing list > > > Athen@athenpro.org > > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Dick Banks > >CTO - EASI: Equal Access to Software and Information > > > >Online Course Starting May 7 > >Barrier-free Information Technology > >http://easi.cc/workshops/adaptit.htm > > > >Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content > >http://easi.cc/workshops/text.htm > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Athen mailing list > >Athen@athenpro.org > >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > ---------------------------------------- >Webinar Series on Accessible Powerpoint starting April 19 >http//easi.cc/clinic.htm > >May Courses >Barrier-free Information Technology (4-week online course starting May 7) >http//easi.cc/workshop.htm >Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content (4-week online course >starting May 7) >http//easi.cc/workshop.htm > >Norman Coombs, Ph.D. >CEO EASI (http//easi.cc) >22196 Caminito Tasquillo >Laguna Hills CA 92653 >(949) 855-4852 (Pacific time zone) > > > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20070426/238ab497/attachment-0001.html > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:26:09 -0500 >From: "Dick Banks" >Subject: Re: [Athen] Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI > Podcast) >To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" > >Message-ID: > <6441e6a70704260926h4f0ab566q624562bc0874a8e8@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Must have been a temporary glitch or something, because it works fine >for me now as well. > >On 4/26/07, Dick Banks wrote: > > Norm > > I am getting an error when I click on the Google promo. It tells me > > that I am forbiden from getting the file. Try it. > > > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > Dick > > > > On 4/26/07, Prof Norm Coombs wrote: > > > > > > --=====================_90336390==.ALT > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > > > Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with > disabilities and is > > > working to make all of their products more accessible to this > > > population. In March, Google came to the giant international > conference on > > > People with Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN > (California State > > > University Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple > > > presentations. > > > > > > Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > > > audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will have a > > > link to documents used in that presentation. We are excited > to bring this > > > to our EASI friends. > > > > > > This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > > > presentation: > > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > > > You can find the EASI Podcasts at > > > http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > > > > > There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select > > > the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page > where you can > > > subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > > > > > EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk > in the next > > > month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > > > EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using > > > Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet > tools to help > > > institutions make their computer and information technology > resources more > > > accessible to users with disabilities. > > > > > > Norman Coombs > > > CEO EASI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > > > Check out EASI's New Synchronous Clinics: > > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > > > EASI Home Page http://www.rit.edu/~easi > > > Online Courses and Clinics http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > > > To sign off this list > > > send e-mail to listserv@listserv.icors.org saying > > > signoff itd-jnl > > > > > > > > > --=====================_90336390==.ALT > > > Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with > disabilities and is > > > working to make all of their products more accessible to this population. > > > In March, Google came to the giant international conference on > People with > > > Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State University > > > Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple presentations. > > > > > > Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > > > audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site > will have a link > > > to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to > bring this to our > > > EASI friends. > > > > > > This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > > > presentation: > > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > > > You can find the EASI Podcasts at > > > http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > > > > > There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select > > > the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where you can > > > subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > > > > > EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk > in the next > > > month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > > > EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using > > > Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools to help > > > institutions make their computer and information technology > resources more > > > accessible to users with disabilities. > > > > > > Norman Coombs > > > CEO EASI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Athen mailing list > > > Athen@athenpro.org > > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dick Banks > > CTO - EASI: Equal Access to Software and Information > > > > Online Course Starting May 7 > > Barrier-free Information Technology > > http://easi.cc/workshops/adaptit.htm > > > > Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content > > http://easi.cc/workshops/text.htm > > > > >-- >Dick Banks >CTO - EASI: Equal Access to Software and Information > >Online Course Starting May 7 >Barrier-free Information Technology >http://easi.cc/workshops/adaptit.htm > >Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content >http://easi.cc/workshops/text.htm > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > >End of Athen Digest, Vol 15, Issue 44 >************************************* From norm.coombs at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 12:08:57 2007 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] EASI Podcast In-Reply-To: <200704261421622.SM02020@mark.ultech.com> References: <200704261421622.SM02020@mark.ultech.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20070426120425.022971a0@pop.gmail.com> Our IT tips and Tricks have an accompanying RS feed of the transcription. 508 says audio is NOT multimedia and does NOT require captions but require transcriptions. The same is tru for our About People podcast feed. We try to put up any slides or documents that people provide at a conference when we get them, but so far we have not tried to transcribe them as they are so long and sometimes the audio is not always as clear as we'd like for transcribing. However it is a matter of money. We are living on a shoe string. I am looking for sponsors for captioning and transcribing and we'd love a lead to help us. If you ever watch the Trump TV show, it starts with a song saying money, money, money!!! For now it is a choice of no transcription or not having the podcast at all. At 10:48 AM 4/26/2007, you wrote: >The archived podcasts are not captioned. Why? > >At 12:26 PM 4/26/2007, you wrote: > >Send Athen mailing list submissions to > > athen@athenpro.org > > > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > athen-request@athenpro.org > > > >You can reach the person managing the list at > > athen-owner@athenpro.org > > > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." > > > > > >Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI Podcast) > > (Prof Norm Coombs) > > 2. Re: Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI Podcast) > > (Dick Banks) > > 3. Re: Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI Podcast) > > (Prof Norm Coombs) > > 4. Re: Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI Podcast) > > (Dick Banks) > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Message: 1 > >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:12:21 -0700 > >From: Prof Norm Coombs (by way of Prof Norm > > Coombs ) > >Subject: [Athen] Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI Podcast) > >To: athen@athenpro.org > >Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20070426091126.02220780@pop.gmail.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > >--=====================_90336390==.ALT > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > >Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with disabilities and is > >working to make all of their products more accessible to this > >population. In March, Google came to the giant international conference on > >People with Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State > >University Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple > >presentations. > > > >Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > >audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will have a > >link to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to bring this > >to our EASI friends. > > > >This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > presentation: > >http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > >You can find the EASI Podcasts at > >http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > > >There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select > >the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where you can > >subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > > >EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk in the next > >month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > >http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > >EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using > >Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools to help > >institutions make their computer and information technology resources more > >accessible to users with disabilities. > > > >Norman Coombs > >CEO EASI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------- > >Check out EASI's New Synchronous Clinics: > >http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > >EASI Home Page http://www.rit.edu/~easi > >Online Courses and Clinics http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > >To sign off this list > >send e-mail to listserv@listserv.icors.org saying > >signoff itd-jnl > > > > > >--=====================_90336390==.ALT > >Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > > > >Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with disabilities and is > >working to make all of their products more accessible to this > >population. In March, Google came to the giant international conference on > >People with Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State > >University Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple > >presentations. > > > >Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > >audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will have a > >link to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to bring this > >to our EASI friends. > > > >This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > presentation: > >http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > >You can find the EASI Podcasts at > >http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > > >There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select > >the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where you can > >subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > > >EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk in the next > >month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > >http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > >EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using > >Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools to help > >institutions make their computer and information technology resources more > >accessible to users with disabilities. > > > >Norman Coombs > >CEO EASI > > > > > > > > > >-------------- next part -------------- > >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >URL: > >http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20070426/9d1 > 52879/attachment-0001.html > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 2 > >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:16:15 -0500 > >From: "Dick Banks" > >Subject: Re: [Athen] Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI > > Podcast) > >To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" > > > >Message-ID: > > <6441e6a70704260916i26c4431cs3ad77e8b074025b1@mail.gmail.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > >Norm > >I am getting an error when I click on the Google promo. It tells me > >that I am forbiden from getting the file. Try it. > > > >http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > >Dick > > > >On 4/26/07, Prof Norm Coombs wrote: > > > > > > --=====================_90336390==.ALT > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > > > Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with disabilities > and is > > > working to make all of their products more accessible to this > > > population. In March, Google came to the giant international > > conference on > > > People with Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California > State > > > University Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple > > > presentations. > > > > > > Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > > > audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will have a > > > link to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to > bring this > > > to our EASI friends. > > > > > > This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > > > presentation: > > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > > > You can find the EASI Podcasts at > > > http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > > > > > There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select > > > the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where > you can > > > subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > > > > > EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk in the > next > > > month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > > > EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using > > > Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools to > help > > > institutions make their computer and information technology > resources more > > > accessible to users with disabilities. > > > > > > Norman Coombs > > > CEO EASI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > > > Check out EASI's New Synchronous Clinics: > > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > > > EASI Home Page http://www.rit.edu/~easi > > > Online Courses and Clinics http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > > > To sign off this list > > > send e-mail to listserv@listserv.icors.org saying > > > signoff itd-jnl > > > > > > > > > --=====================_90336390==.ALT > > > Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with disabilities > and is > > > working to make all of their products more accessible to this population. > > > In March, Google came to the giant international conference on People > with > > > Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State University > > > Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple presentations. > > > > > > Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > > > audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will > > have a link > > > to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to bring > > this to our > > > EASI friends. > > > > > > This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > > > presentation: > > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > > > You can find the EASI Podcasts at > > > http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > > > > > There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation select > > > the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where you can > > > subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > > > > > EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk in the > next > > > month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > > > EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to using > > > Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools to help > > > institutions make their computer and information technology resources > more > > > accessible to users with disabilities. > > > > > > Norman Coombs > > > CEO EASI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Athen mailing list > > > Athen@athenpro.org > > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Dick Banks > >CTO - EASI: Equal Access to Software and Information > > > >Online Course Starting May 7 > >Barrier-free Information Technology > >http://easi.cc/workshops/adaptit.htm > > > >Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content > >http://easi.cc/workshops/text.htm > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 3 > >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:20:17 -0700 > >From: Prof Norm Coombs > >Subject: Re: [Athen] Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI > > Podcast) > >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > > >Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20070426092009.0220cb00@pop.gmail.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > >It plays for me. > >At 09:16 AM 4/26/2007, you wrote: > > >Norm > > >I am getting an error when I click on the Google promo. It tells me > > >that I am forbiden from getting the file. Try it. > > > > > >http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > > >Dick > > > > > >On 4/26/07, Prof Norm Coombs wrote: > > > > > > > > --=====================_90336390==.ALT > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > > > > > Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with > > disabilities and is > > > > working to make all of their products more accessible to this > > > > population. In March, Google came to the giant international > > > conference on > > > > People with Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN > > (California State > > > > University Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple > > > > presentations. > > > > > > > > Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > > > > audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will > have a > > > > link to documents used in that presentation. We are excited > > to bring this > > > > to our EASI friends. > > > > > > > > This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > > > > presentation: > > > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > > > > > You can find the EASI Podcasts at > > > > http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > > > > > > > There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation > select > > > > the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page > > where you can > > > > subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > > > > > > > EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk > > in the next > > > > month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > > > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > > > > > EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to > using > > > > Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet > > tools to help > > > > institutions make their computer and information technology > > resources more > > > > accessible to users with disabilities. > > > > > > > > Norman Coombs > > > > CEO EASI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > > > > Check out EASI's New Synchronous Clinics: > > > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > > > > > EASI Home Page http://www.rit.edu/~easi > > > > Online Courses and Clinics http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > > > > To sign off this list > > > > send e-mail to listserv@listserv.icors.org saying > > > > signoff itd-jnl > > > > > > > > > > > > --=====================_90336390==.ALT > > > > Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > > > Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with > > disabilities and is > > > > working to make all of their products more accessible to this > population. > > > > In March, Google came to the giant international conference on > > People with > > > > Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State > University > > > > Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple presentations. > > > > > > > > Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > > > > audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will have a > > > link > > > > to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to bring this > > > to our > > > > EASI friends. > > > > > > > > This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > > > > presentation: > > > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > > > > > You can find the EASI Podcasts at > > > > http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > > > > > > > There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation > select > > > > the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where > you can > > > > subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > > > > > > > EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk > > in the next > > > > month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > > > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > > > > > EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to > using > > > > Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools > to help > > > > institutions make their computer and information technology > > resources more > > > > accessible to users with disabilities. > > > > > > > > Norman Coombs > > > > CEO EASI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Athen mailing list > > > > Athen@athenpro.org > > > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >Dick Banks > > >CTO - EASI: Equal Access to Software and Information > > > > > >Online Course Starting May 7 > > >Barrier-free Information Technology > > >http://easi.cc/workshops/adaptit.htm > > > > > >Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content > > >http://easi.cc/workshops/text.htm > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Athen mailing list > > >Athen@athenpro.org > > >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > ---------------------------------------- > >Webinar Series on Accessible Powerpoint starting April 19 > >http//easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > >May Courses > >Barrier-free Information Technology (4-week online course starting May 7) > >http//easi.cc/workshop.htm > >Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content (4-week online course > >starting May 7) > >http//easi.cc/workshop.htm > > > >Norman Coombs, Ph.D. > >CEO EASI (http//easi.cc) > >22196 Caminito Tasquillo > >Laguna Hills CA 92653 > >(949) 855-4852 (Pacific time zone) > > > > > > > > > >-------------- next part -------------- > >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >URL: > >http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20070426/238 > ab497/attachment-0001.html > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Message: 4 > >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:26:09 -0500 > >From: "Dick Banks" > >Subject: Re: [Athen] Google Reaching Out for Accessibility (EASI > > Podcast) > >To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" > > > >Message-ID: > > <6441e6a70704260926h4f0ab566q624562bc0874a8e8@mail.gmail.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > >Must have been a temporary glitch or something, because it works fine > >for me now as well. > > > >On 4/26/07, Dick Banks wrote: > > > Norm > > > I am getting an error when I click on the Google promo. It tells me > > > that I am forbiden from getting the file. Try it. > > > > > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > > > Dick > > > > > > On 4/26/07, Prof Norm Coombs wrote: > > > > > > > > --=====================_90336390==.ALT > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > > > > > > Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with > > disabilities and is > > > > working to make all of their products more accessible to this > > > > population. In March, Google came to the giant international > > conference on > > > > People with Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN > > (California State > > > > University Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple > > > > presentations. > > > > > > > > Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > > > > audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site will > have a > > > > link to documents used in that presentation. We are excited > > to bring this > > > > to our EASI friends. > > > > > > > > This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > > > > presentation: > > > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > > > > > You can find the EASI Podcasts at > > > > http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > > > > > > > There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation > select > > > > the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page > > where you can > > > > subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > > > > > > > EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk > > in the next > > > > month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > > > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > > > > > EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to > using > > > > Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet > > tools to help > > > > institutions make their computer and information technology > > resources more > > > > accessible to users with disabilities. > > > > > > > > Norman Coombs > > > > CEO EASI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > > > > Check out EASI's New Synchronous Clinics: > > > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > > > > > EASI Home Page http://www.rit.edu/~easi > > > > Online Courses and Clinics http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > > > > To sign off this list > > > > send e-mail to listserv@listserv.icors.org saying > > > > signoff itd-jnl > > > > > > > > > > > > --=====================_90336390==.ALT > > > > Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > > > > Google is actively reaching out to Internet users with > > disabilities and is > > > > working to make all of their products more accessible to this > population. > > > > In March, Google came to the giant international conference on > > People with > > > > Disabilities and Technology produced by CSUN (California State > University > > > > Northridge). Google had a booth and also gave a couple presentations. > > > > > > > > Next week, EASI's Podcast on conference presentations will provide the > > > > audio of a CSUN Google presentation and on the Podcast site > > will have a link > > > > to documents used in that presentation. We are excited to > > bring this to our > > > > EASI friends. > > > > > > > > This link will take you to a two-minute excerpt from the Google > > > > presentation: > > > > http://easi.cc/archive/g-promo.mp3 > > > > > > > > You can find the EASI Podcasts at > > > > http://easi.cc/podcasts/ > > > > > > > > There are 3 different Podcast feeds there. For this presentation > select > > > > the conference Podcast feed which will take you to the page where > you can > > > > subscribe. It will be posted next Thursday or Friday. > > > > > > > > EASI also is planning to host a live Webinar with Google folk > > in the next > > > > month or two. Watch for an announcement at: > > > > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > > > > > EASI, (Equal Access to Software and Information), is committed to > using > > > > Podcasts, Webinars, online courses and interactive Internet tools > to help > > > > institutions make their computer and information technology > > resources more > > > > accessible to users with disabilities. > > > > > > > > Norman Coombs > > > > CEO EASI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Athen mailing list > > > > Athen@athenpro.org > > > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Dick Banks > > > CTO - EASI: Equal Access to Software and Information > > > > > > Online Course Starting May 7 > > > Barrier-free Information Technology > > > http://easi.cc/workshops/adaptit.htm > > > > > > Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content > > > http://easi.cc/workshops/text.htm > > > > > > > > >-- > >Dick Banks > >CTO - EASI: Equal Access to Software and Information > > > >Online Course Starting May 7 > >Barrier-free Information Technology > >http://easi.cc/workshops/adaptit.htm > > > >Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content > >http://easi.cc/workshops/text.htm > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Athen mailing list > >Athen@athenpro.org > >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > >End of Athen Digest, Vol 15, Issue 44 > >************************************* > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ---------------------------------------- Webinar Series on Accessible Powerpoint starting April 19 http//easi.cc/clinic.htm May Courses Barrier-free Information Technology (4-week online course starting May 7) http//easi.cc/workshop.htm Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content (4-week online course starting May 7) http//easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs, Ph.D. CEO EASI (http//easi.cc) 22196 Caminito Tasquillo Laguna Hills CA 92653 (949) 855-4852 (Pacific time zone) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lisa_fiedor at ncsu.edu Fri Apr 27 08:23:10 2007 From: lisa_fiedor at ncsu.edu (Lisa Fiedor) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] iTunes U Accessiblity Initiative In-Reply-To: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901CAA036@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> References: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901256423@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C90189A9F9@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901CAA036@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> Message-ID: <4632155E.9090008@ncsu.edu> Hi Joe, I can make it on the 8th at 2:00. Thanks, Lisa Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > Hi All! > > > > Sorry about not getting this out on Monday, but I am crazy busy from now > till May 1^st . Well after receiving emails about what people should be > chosen or not I have decided to just let everyone help. But if you do > decide to take a part of the project I will hold you responsible. Now > that that is out of the way we all need to have a teleconference to get > things rolling I was thinking Tuesday May 8^th at 2 pm. If that does > not work for all who volunteered please suggest another time. May 11^th > is out because I will be in Indy preparing for my new job with IUPUI. > So let me know if you can do the teleconference on the 8^th and I?ll get > things set up. Thankx. > > Joe Humbert > Assistive Technology Specialist > Purdue University - ITaP - TLT > Office: STEW 111 > Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu > Phone: 765-494-4387 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > *On Behalf Of *Humbert, Joseph A > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:58 PM > *To:* Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] iTunes U Accessiblity Initiative > > > > Hi All! > > > > Here is the list of those who replied as interested: > > > > Dick Banks > > Saroj Primlani > > Patrick J. Burke > > Pratik patel > > Sarah Horton > > Lisa Marie Fiedor > > Kestrell? > > Mark Hall > > Sean Keegan > > Kathleen Cahill > > Mary Cheng > > Terry Thompson > > Jayme Johnson Pratik > > Dan Comden > > Chris Doucet > > John Foliot (possibly) > > > > I will let you and everyone know who I have chosen by Monday April 23^rd > at the latest and begin to setup meeting /teleconference dates. I want > to keep the group to 7 plus me. Thank you to all those who volunteered. > > > > Joe Humbert > Assistive Technology Specialist > Purdue University - ITaP - TLT > Office: STEW 111 > Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu > Phone: 765-494-4387 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > *On Behalf Of *Humbert, Joseph A > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:50 AM > *To:* Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > *Subject:* [Athen] iTunes U Accessiblity Initiative > > > > Hi All! > > > > I was the one who volunteered to lead the charge on the iTunes U > Accessibility Initiative. So I am ready to get the ball rolling, but > first we need to decide on a few items. > > > > 1. I need 5-7 volunteers to be on the committee > 2. The committee members need to decide on the Scope of the project > 3. The committee needs to define a timeline for the project > 4. The committee needs to decide if we want to aim for a competition > date to present at ATIA, CSUN or other conferences. > > > > I want to get this project under way ASAP. > > > > Dan how should we collaborate with CSU on this project? I read the > documents and they seem to be a great starting point. Thankx. > > Joe Humbert > Assistive Technology Specialist > Purdue University - ITaP - TLT > Office: STEW 111 > Email: jhumbert@purdue.edu > Phone: 765-494-4387 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- -- -- -- Lisa Marie Fiedor Web Accessibility, Usability, & Design Specialist DELTA/Instructional Services/Faculty Support Services Campus Box 7111, NC State University, Raleigh NC 27695-7111 2133 DH Hill Library, East Wing v 919-513-4616 f 919-513-4003 lisa_fiedor@ncsu.edu From hascherdss at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 09:04:10 2007 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 15, Issue 43 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6e0d34c90704270904nb458d55lf1d3eda5702afacf@mail.gmail.com> Norm, this sounds like a very interesting workshop! Thanks for providing it. I do have one concern which is that there is no representation from two key players - postsecondary education dss and APA (American Publishers Association) - in this workshop. Since NIMAS is the standard for K-12 and not postsecondary ed, was anyone from the AHEAD eText inititive involved or invited? It would just seem appropriate to have someone who represents postsecondary ed involved in this along with the individuals who are scheduled. Soapbox for any who wish to lend an ear: It seems that we have several different groups working on this issue, but the groups are not communicating with one another! Ex: Group 1 - we have the AHEAD eText Initiative which has the main players at the table talking, Group 2 - this EASI workshop group, Group 3 - a group of individuals who are blind who recently went to Washington to talk directly with senators and representatives about needing legislation mandating that publishers provide eText in a specific standard (I think they too had jumped on the NIMAS bandwagon). I'm sure there are other groups out there. Rather than having umpteen smaller groups picking away at the problem, it would seem more feasible for us to band together. More power in numbers! OK ? I'm stepping off my soap box and getting back to proctoring finals. Thanks all! Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Counselor/Coordinator of Disability Services Arkansas State University - Beebe Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:08:52 -0700 > From: Prof Norm Coombs (by way of Prof Norm > Coombs ) > Subject: [Athen] EASI Webinar: The Future of E--books Is Here! > To: athen@athenpro.org > Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20070426090743.022b50f0@pop.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > --=====================_88253984==.ALT > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > EASI Webinar: The Future of E--books Is Here! > > Accessible E-textbooks for Students: May 1 2 PM Eastern > Presenters: > Nicole Gaines, NIMAC Manager, American Printinghouse for the Blind > Julia Myers, Director, Resource Services and NIMAC, American Printing > House > for the Blind, > Skip Stahl, Project Director, NIMAS Development Center, Center for Applied > Special Technology > > President Bush signed the Individuals with Disabilities Education > Improvement Act of 2004 (IDEA) on December 3, 2004 which, among other > things, mandated > the provision of textbooks and instructional materials in accessible > formats for students who are blind or print disabled. While the > legislation > relates to K-12 students, we believe that the more that publishers are > creating accessible e-textbooks for K-12 that they will inevitably expand > to a broader audience. If not, there will be an outcry from K-12 students > as they transition into higher education wanting the same quality of > support for their studies. This will be like dropping a pebble into the > water. The wave will expand to include higher ed and the general > public. Learning about this dramatic e-book revolution is important for > all of us. > > This presentation will focus on NIMAS, (National Instructional Materials > Accessibility Standard), the role of APH, (American Printinghouse for the > Dlind) > and the role of CAST, (Center for Applied Special Technology). > > The National Instructional Materials Access Center (NIMAC) is a file > repository for core print textbooks and related instructional materials > required for > use by blind or other persons with print disabilities in elementary and > secondary schools in the U.S. and its territories. These National > Instructional Materials Accessibility Standard (NIMAS) source file sets > can > be used to create specialized formats, such as braille, large print, > audio, > or digital text. The NIMAC opened in December 2006. > > CAST is the home of the NIMAS Development Center and the NIMAS Technical > Assistance Center, Cooperative agreements with the Office of Special > Education Programs, United States Department of Education. > > While this Webinar is free, you need to register in advance to guarantee a > seat in the room. (Those who register, whether or not they attend, will > afterwards > receive a link to the recording. When you connect over the Internet to > the > Webinar room, you can listen to the presenters and watch as supporting Web > pages are pushed to reinforce the presentation. The audience can also > make > comments or ask questions either by using a mic to talk or by writing into > the room's text window. > > > To read more and register to reserve a seat and to get login information > for this free event, go to: > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > Look for other future Webinars on that page. We have several being > finalized and they should be on that page very soon. > The EASI month-long, online courses on accessible Information Technology > for May are: > Barrier-free Information Technology (4-week online course starting May 7) > http//easi.cc/workshop.htm > Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content (4-week online course > starting May 7) > http//easi.cc/workshop.htm > > > Norman Coombs > CEO EASI > > ----------------------- > Check out EASI's New Synchronous Clinics: > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > EASI Home Page http://www.rit.edu/~easi > Online Courses and Clinics http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > To sign off this list > send e-mail to listserv@listserv.icors.org saying > signoff itd-jnl > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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JF --- John Foliot Academic Technology Specialist Stanford Online Accessibility Program http://soap.stanford.edu Stanford University 560 Escondido Mall Meyer Library 181 Stanford, CA 94305-3093 From pratikp1 at gmail.com Fri Apr 27 13:02:04 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] iTunes U Accessiblity Initiative In-Reply-To: <00c801c788fb$369c99f0$6501a8c0@bosshog> References: <310B6F0B038E0847BA40E28F322EB6C901CAA036@EXCH02.purdue.lcl> <00c801c788fb$369c99f0$6501a8c0@bosshog> Message-ID: <011501c78906$ee3f3f80$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> I'll be available May 8th as well. Regards, Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of John Foliot - Stanford online Accessibility Program Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:38 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] iTunes U Accessiblity Initiative Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > Now that that is out of the way we all need to have a > teleconference to get things rolling I was thinking Tuesday May 8th > at 2 pm (Eastern - 11:00 AM Pacific). Joe, I have blocked off this time in my Calendar and look forward to participating. Cheers! JF --- John Foliot Academic Technology Specialist Stanford Online Accessibility Program http://soap.stanford.edu Stanford University 560 Escondido Mall Meyer Library 181 Stanford, CA 94305-3093 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From tex at humboldt.edu Fri Apr 27 13:11:05 2007 From: tex at humboldt.edu (Cassandra Tex) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] What Brand/Model CCTV's Do You Use? Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070427130437.019faec8@humboldt.edu> Greetings All, Sorry for the cross-posting... We're in the market for a CCTV, and I've never purchased one before. Anything in particular I should be looking at? What are the best brands/models as far as durability, functionality, etc.? Is there a particular brand/model that the California Community Colleges recommend? Are there some that are better than others? What about service? Which companies provide the best service? From the research I've done so far, they all seem to have similar feature sets and functionality. The CCTV will be in the Library where students and community members will have access to it. My hope is that I can get a product that has a rich feature set while being easy and intuitive to use. Thanks for your help! Cassandra Tex Assistive Technology Specialist Humboldt State University From gdietrich at htctu.net Fri Apr 27 13:38:23 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] What Brand/Model CCTV's Do You Use? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002f01c7890c$0068ceb0$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> I really, really like the Ergo. The maker (Rehan) is a European company, but the CCTVs are carried by Abledata: http://www.abledata.com/abledata.cfm?pageid=113583&top=0&productid=75780&tra il=0 I love the easy motion of the tray and the fact that the CCTV is adjustable on its cart. The cart itself is easy to roll, and you can get oversize wheels so that it moves easily across things like asphalt and tile. It is the only CCTV that I have ever had users tell me that they actually enjoyed using. Folks love the smooth tray movement, and I even had one person say that it was the first CCTV she had used that did not make her neck hurt. It's a bit large for a home situation, but it's great for a campus. Hope this helps! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: Cassandra Tex [mailto:tex@humboldt.edu] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:11 PM To: Alternate Media Subject: What Brand/Model CCTV's Do You Use? Greetings All, Sorry for the cross-posting... We're in the market for a CCTV, and I've never purchased one before. Anything in particular I should be looking at? What are the best brands/models as far as durability, functionality, etc.? Is there a particular brand/model that the California Community Colleges recommend? Are there some that are better than others? What about service? Which companies provide the best service? From the research I've done so far, they all seem to have similar feature sets and functionality. The CCTV will be in the Library where students and community members will have access to it. My hope is that I can get a product that has a rich feature set while being easy and intuitive to use. Thanks for your help! Cassandra Tex Assistive Technology Specialist Humboldt State University From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Mon Apr 30 05:41:41 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] What Brand/Model CCTV's Do You Use? Message-ID: Here at St. Louis Community College, we believe in buying locally. All of our CCTV's are from Vision Technologies, Inc., which has its factory and headquarters right here near our campus. I'm very happy with their products, from the standard tv-style to the portable that they have. Pricing is similar to other units that I'm not as impressed with. Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 From tlwells at uark.edu Mon Apr 30 14:26:53 2007 From: tlwells at uark.edu (Teresa Wells Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN E-Journal Topic Request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009a01c78b6e$4a63b3e0$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Greetings, all. It's time to start gearing up for another issue of the ATHEN E-journal, so we would like to ask: what topic do YOU think would be beneficial to address? Anything reasonably related to the purpose of ATHEN is fair game, so be creative! Please email your topic ideas directly to me at tlwells@uark.edu. I'll look forward to hearing your ideas, Teresa Haven +++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. Assistant Director for Assistive Technology Center for Educational Access (Formerly Center for Students with Disabilities) ARKU 104 University of Arkansas Fayetteville, AR 72701 479-575-3104 (voice) 479-575-7445 (fax) 479-575-3646 (tdd) ada@uark.edu +++++++++++++++++++++