[Athen] AT inittiative

E.A. Draffan ea at emptech.info
Sun Apr 1 07:49:54 PDT 2007


Saroj - lovely to hear from you and I do hope your holiday goes well. Happy
to help where I can - I do not have any protocols that are particularly
memorable but willing to test those provided and work with anyone
experimenting with toolkits and the applications suggested.

Best Wishes E.A.



-----Original Message-----
From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On
Behalf Of Saroj Primlani
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 3:00 PM
To: athen at athenpro.org
Subject: Re: [Athen] AT inittiative

At NC State, I have been involved in evaluating different CMS, LMS, SMLS,
Response systems, assesment tools and other education technologies for
purchase and deployment both at NC State and the UNC Systems. They have
included checking a single system or a comparitive evaluation of multiple
systmes under consideration. As a result I have developed evaluation
protocols and check lists that I have shared with some in the group. As Ron
mentioned he has some and I am sure others have done the same. I know NCDAE
has done some studies and Jon and others have have focused on a WebCT
/blackboard. I think we would serve everyone well, if we combined all the
information, strategies and techniques, did some comparitive analysis of
some larger technologies and create taskforce to focus on a particular
vendor like Apple or Blackboard. It would get everyone involved and vested
into ATHEN, give us materials for presentations and articles for ejournals.
It will also helps us "shed" the light without aggresively engaging anyone.

I would be willing to take the lead to pull this information together from
anyone who is willing to share what they have and work with Sean, Jon and
others to find a way to get it all on line.
Of course I can't do this alone so if there are others who would be
interested in participating, I have access to web conferencing tools which
could be used for regularly scheduled meetings etc.
Saroj

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> 4. Re: FW: AT initiative (your attention please) (Ron Stewart)

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> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:03:18 +0100

> From: "E.A. Draffan" <ea at emptech.info>

> Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please)

> To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'"

> <athen at athenpro.org>

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> Bit late in the day but I have been catching up - Pratik and I were

> discussing open source CMS and e-learning or distance learning issues

> and the problems of evaluations. I feel it would be wonderful to

> collaborate on some of this work to make it easier for us all. We

> have PAS 78 in the UK a "Guide to good practice in commissioning

> accessible websites"

> http://www.drc-gb.org/library/website_accessibility_guidance/pas_78.as

> px

> and ISO 9241-171

> http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/pu

> blic_s

> acstandards.hcsp

>

> Best Wishes E.A.

>

> Mrs E.A. Draffan

> Assistive Technologist

> Mobile: 07976 289103

> http://www.emptech.info/

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org]

> On Behalf Of Ron Stewart

> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:52 PM

> To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'

> Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please)

>

> This was one of the topics of discussion at the CSUN meeting and we

> can move forward fairly easily. I have the evaluation checklists that

> my program developed at OSU and I am more than willing to share, and I

> bet several of you have similar things.

>

> Bob is this something you are willing to take the lead on? Folks who

> were at the CSUN-ATHEN meeting, how do you see this fitting into our

> taskforce conversation?

>

> Ron Stewart

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org]

> On Behalf Of Greg Kraus

> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:22 AM

> To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network

> Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please)

>

> One solution would be to set up a Wiki where ATHEN members, or maybe a

> select group of testers from within ATHEN could review products for

> accessibility.

> You could come up with a template that rates various areas of software

> accessibility (something like a VPAT?). That way an "accessibility

> tester"

> can add comments to a particular area of the review as opposed to

> doing a full-blown test of the software.

> Collectively you could build up quite a resource of unbiased reviews

> of software.

>

> Greg Kraus

>

> LecShare, Inc.

> www.lecshare.com

>

>

> --- "Berkowitz, Daniel J" <djbrky at bu.edu> wrote:

>

>> ATTENTION ATHEN MEMBERS:

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Kenneth Sawicki [mailto:ksawicki at avc.edu]

>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:45 AM

>> To: Alternate Media

>> Subject: RE: AT initiative

>>

>> I wasn't here yesterday, but what Bob is saying hits the mark... I've

>> been thinking of doing something like that, and perhaps I should quit

>> thinking about doing something, and do it!!! I'm soooo tired of

>> reading, or hearing, "this Assistive Technology is totally

>> accessible, or is Section 508 compliant", and I try to use it, and

>> can't..., And I don't think it's my inability to use Assistive

Technology.

>>

>> -Ken

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Ron Stewart

>> [mailto:ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com]

>> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:58 AM

>> To: Alternate Media

>> Subject: RE: AT initiative

>>

>> That conversation has come up repeatedly and was part of the

>> discussion when Section 508 was on the horizon many moons ago. NIST

>> refused to step up to the plate or was too expensive. We really do

>> need a form of UL labs for access. Let the buyer beware, but I am

>> really tired of back of the bus access!

>>

>> One of my common policy recommendation to the collleges and

>> universities that I have worked with in the last decade is that

>> access be part of their own institutional branding of web spaces.

>>

>> This needs to be an internal process because in order for it to work

>> there has to be ownership. I be!ieve AFB has a certification

>> program, but it is VI centric, and does not deal effectively with

>> cognitive precessing related disabiities.

>>

>> Ron

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: rmartinengo at gmail.com

>> To: "Alternate Media"

>> <altmedia at htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu>

>> Sent: 3/27/07 10:30 AM

>> Subject: RE: AT initiative

>>

>> Ron,

>>

>> Sadly, it appears the main selling point for these programs is that

>> they measure legal and technical compliance, rather than what is

>> truly accessible and usable - quantatative versus qualitative analysis.

>>

>> Wouldn't it be great if there was a 'good housekeeping' stamp of

>> accessibility that was more than an automated list of check points?

>> Perhaps

>> a nonprofit group that would combine the benefits of technical

>> compliance with real-world usability analysis. Someone should start

>> this company!

>>

>> Bob

>>

>>

>> "And this does nothing to insure the accessibility of their sites,

>> someone must be laffing all the way to the bank. We have discussed

>> the use of automated evaluators on every disability list that I am

>> one, and why the do not insure access. You can not just throw money

>> and technology at the problem."

>>

>> Ron Stewart

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> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 04:08:09 -0400

> From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1 at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please)

> To: <ea at emptech.info>, "'Access Technologists in Higher Education

> Network'" <athen at athenpro.org>

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> Ron, E.A., et al,

>

> Perhaps we can compile a master checklist from the various documents

> we may have floating around. I have one that I tend to use. Would

> you all agree that we are, at this point, seeking functional

> accessibility rather than adherence to any particular "standard?" It

> appears to me that standards, at least when it comes to accessibility,

> are just not keeping up to technological developments. I believe Bob

> Martinengo is not on this list but we should invite him to join the

> list and as a member.

>

> This discussion is very important for the taskforce or any future

> projects we take on. It will give us a baseline document with eval

> guidelines which we might reference. Whatever we look at will have a

> higher ed flavor to it such that it will be a significant step for our

> Educause discussions as well. I like the cross-polination

> possibilities.

>

> Take care all,

>

> Pratik

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org]

> On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan

> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:03 PM

> To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'

> Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please)

>

> Bit late in the day but I have been catching up - Pratik and I were

> discussing open source CMS and e-learning or distance learning issues

> and the problems of evaluations. I feel it would be wonderful to

> collaborate on some of this work to make it easier for us all. We

> have PAS 78 in the UK a "Guide to good practice in commissioning

> accessible websites"

> http://www.drc-gb.org/library/website_accessibility_guidance/pas_78.as

> px

> and ISO 9241-171

> http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/pu

> blic_s

> acstandards.hcsp

>

> Best Wishes E.A.

>

> Mrs E.A. Draffan

> Assistive Technologist

> Mobile: 07976 289103

> http://www.emptech.info/

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org]

> On Behalf Of Ron Stewart

> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:52 PM

> To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'

> Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please)

>

> This was one of the topics of discussion at the CSUN meeting and we

> can move forward fairly easily. I have the evaluation checklists that

> my program developed at OSU and I am more than willing to share, and I

> bet several of you have similar things.

>

> Bob is this something you are willing to take the lead on? Folks who

> were at the CSUN-ATHEN meeting, how do you see this fitting into our

> taskforce conversation?

>

> Ron Stewart

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org]

> On Behalf Of Greg Kraus

> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:22 AM

> To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network

> Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please)

>

> One solution would be to set up a Wiki where ATHEN members, or maybe a

> select group of testers from within ATHEN could review products for

> accessibility.

> You could come up with a template that rates various areas of software

> accessibility (something like a VPAT?). That way an "accessibility

> tester"

> can add comments to a particular area of the review as opposed to

> doing a full-blown test of the software.

> Collectively you could build up quite a resource of unbiased reviews

> of software.

>

> Greg Kraus

>

> LecShare, Inc.

> www.lecshare.com

>

>

> --- "Berkowitz, Daniel J" <djbrky at bu.edu> wrote:

>

>> ATTENTION ATHEN MEMBERS:

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Kenneth Sawicki [mailto:ksawicki at avc.edu]

>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:45 AM

>> To: Alternate Media

>> Subject: RE: AT initiative

>>

>> I wasn't here yesterday, but what Bob is saying hits the mark... I've

>> been thinking of doing something like that, and perhaps I should quit

>> thinking about doing something, and do it!!! I'm soooo tired of

>> reading, or hearing, "this Assistive Technology is totally

>> accessible, or is Section 508 compliant", and I try to use it, and

>> can't..., And I don't think it's my inability to use Assistive

Technology.

>>

>> -Ken

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Ron Stewart

>> [mailto:ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com]

>> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:58 AM

>> To: Alternate Media

>> Subject: RE: AT initiative

>>

>> That conversation has come up repeatedly and was part of the

>> discussion when Section 508 was on the horizon many moons ago. NIST

>> refused to step up to the plate or was too expensive. We really do

>> need a form of UL labs for access. Let the buyer beware, but I am

>> really tired of back of the bus access!

>>

>> One of my common policy recommendation to the collleges and

>> universities that I have worked with in the last decade is that

>> access be part of their own institutional branding of web spaces.

>>

>> This needs to be an internal process because in order for it to work

>> there has to be ownership. I be!ieve AFB has a certification

>> program, but it is VI centric, and does not deal effectively with

>> cognitive precessing related disabiities.

>>

>> Ron

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: rmartinengo at gmail.com

>> To: "Alternate Media"

>> <altmedia at htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu>

>> Sent: 3/27/07 10:30 AM

>> Subject: RE: AT initiative

>>

>> Ron,

>>

>> Sadly, it appears the main selling point for these programs is that

>> they measure legal and technical compliance, rather than what is

>> truly accessible and usable - quantatative versus qualitative analysis.

>>

>> Wouldn't it be great if there was a 'good housekeeping' stamp of

>> accessibility that was more than an automated list of check points?

>> Perhaps

>> a nonprofit group that would combine the benefits of technical

>> compliance with real-world usability analysis. Someone should start

>> this company!

>>

>> Bob

>>

>>

>> "And this does nothing to insure the accessibility of their sites,

>> someone must be laffing all the way to the bank. We have discussed

>> the use of automated evaluators on every disability list that I am

>> one, and why the do not insure access. You can not just throw money

>> and technology at the problem."

>>

>> Ron Stewart

>> ---

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> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:50:26 +0100

> From: "E.A. Draffan" <ea at emptech.info>

> Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please)

> To: "'Pratik Patel'" <pratikp1 at gmail.com>, "'Access Technologists in

> Higher Education Network'" <athen at athenpro.org>

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>

> I absolutely agree with Pratik - we are seeking functional

> accessibility and I feel as such we will be able to make a very useful

> toolkit that could help many others in the field. I can see lots of

> hurdles ahead just at the thought of different AT software packages

> working in different ways with general applications and web based

> content that is constantly changing, but Hey ho, that is what it is

> all about!

>

> Best Wishes E.A.

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Pratik Patel [mailto:pratikp1 at gmail.com]

> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:08 AM

> To: ea at emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'

> Subject: RE: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please)

>

> Ron, E.A., et al,

>

> Perhaps we can compile a master checklist from the various documents

> we may have floating around. I have one that I tend to use. Would

> you all agree that we are, at this point, seeking functional

> accessibility rather than adherence to any particular "standard?" It

> appears to me that standards, at least when it comes to accessibility,

> are just not keeping up to technological developments. I believe Bob

> Martinengo is not on this list but we should invite him to join the

> list and as a member.

>

> This discussion is very important for the taskforce or any future

> projects we take on. It will give us a baseline document with eval

> guidelines which we might reference. Whatever we look at will have a

> higher ed flavor to it such that it will be a significant step for our

> Educause discussions as well. I like the cross-polination

> possibilities.

>

> Take care all,

>

> Pratik

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org]

> On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan

> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:03 PM

> To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'

> Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please)

>

> Bit late in the day but I have been catching up - Pratik and I were

> discussing open source CMS and e-learning or distance learning issues

> and the problems of evaluations. I feel it would be wonderful to

> collaborate on some of this work to make it easier for us all. We

> have PAS 78 in the UK a "Guide to good practice in commissioning

> accessible websites"

> http://www.drc-gb.org/library/website_accessibility_guidance/pas_78.as

> px

> and ISO 9241-171

> http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/pu

> blic_s

> acstandards.hcsp

>

> Best Wishes E.A.

>

> Mrs E.A. Draffan

> Assistive Technologist

> Mobile: 07976 289103

> http://www.emptech.info/

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org]

> On Behalf Of Ron Stewart

> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:52 PM

> To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'

> Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please)

>

> This was one of the topics of discussion at the CSUN meeting and we

> can move forward fairly easily. I have the evaluation checklists that

> my program developed at OSU and I am more than willing to share, and I

> bet several of you have similar things.

>

> Bob is this something you are willing to take the lead on? Folks who

> were at the CSUN-ATHEN meeting, how do you see this fitting into our

> taskforce conversation?

>

> Ron Stewart

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org]

> On Behalf Of Greg Kraus

> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:22 AM

> To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network

> Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please)

>

> One solution would be to set up a Wiki where ATHEN members, or maybe a

> select group of testers from within ATHEN could review products for

> accessibility.

> You could come up with a template that rates various areas of software

> accessibility (something like a VPAT?). That way an "accessibility

> tester"

> can add comments to a particular area of the review as opposed to

> doing a full-blown test of the software.

> Collectively you could build up quite a resource of unbiased reviews

> of software.

>

> Greg Kraus

>

> LecShare, Inc.

> www.lecshare.com

>

>

> --- "Berkowitz, Daniel J" <djbrky at bu.edu> wrote:

>

>> ATTENTION ATHEN MEMBERS:

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Kenneth Sawicki [mailto:ksawicki at avc.edu]

>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:45 AM

>> To: Alternate Media

>> Subject: RE: AT initiative

>>

>> I wasn't here yesterday, but what Bob is saying hits the mark... I've

>> been thinking of doing something like that, and perhaps I should quit

>> thinking about doing something, and do it!!! I'm soooo tired of

>> reading, or hearing, "this Assistive Technology is totally

>> accessible, or is Section 508 compliant", and I try to use it, and

>> can't..., And I don't think it's my inability to use Assistive

Technology.

>>

>> -Ken

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Ron Stewart

>> [mailto:ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com]

>> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:58 AM

>> To: Alternate Media

>> Subject: RE: AT initiative

>>

>> That conversation has come up repeatedly and was part of the

>> discussion when Section 508 was on the horizon many moons ago. NIST

>> refused to step up to the plate or was too expensive. We really do

>> need a form of UL labs for access. Let the buyer beware, but I am

>> really tired of back of the bus access!

>>

>> One of my common policy recommendation to the collleges and

>> universities that I have worked with in the last decade is that

>> access be part of their own institutional branding of web spaces.

>>

>> This needs to be an internal process because in order for it to work

>> there has to be ownership. I be!ieve AFB has a certification

>> program, but it is VI centric, and does not deal effectively with

>> cognitive precessing related disabiities.

>>

>> Ron

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: rmartinengo at gmail.com

>> To: "Alternate Media"

>> <altmedia at htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu>

>> Sent: 3/27/07 10:30 AM

>> Subject: RE: AT initiative

>>

>> Ron,

>>

>> Sadly, it appears the main selling point for these programs is that

>> they measure legal and technical compliance, rather than what is

>> truly accessible and usable - quantatative versus qualitative analysis.

>>

>> Wouldn't it be great if there was a 'good housekeeping' stamp of

>> accessibility that was more than an automated list of check points?

>> Perhaps

>> a nonprofit group that would combine the benefits of technical

>> compliance with real-world usability analysis. Someone should start

>> this company!

>>

>> Bob

>>

>>

>> "And this does nothing to insure the accessibility of their sites,

>> someone must be laffing all the way to the bank. We have discussed

>> the use of automated evaluators on every disability list that I am

>> one, and why the do not insure access. You can not just throw money

>> and technology at the problem."

>>

>> Ron Stewart

>> ---

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> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 06:14:03 -0400

> From: "Ron Stewart" <ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com>

> Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please)

> To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'"

> <athen at athenpro.org>, <ea at emptech.info>

> Message-ID: <002b01c77446$7ad460e0$707d22a0$@stewart at dolphinusa.com>

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> Morning,

>

> I think we need to look at compliance, functional accessibility, and

> usability as occurring on a continuum. One of the conversations I

> often get into with IT folks is the cost benefit ratios of each level

> of accessibility, and providing clear examples of how conformance

> falls short.

> My preference at this point is that it be an ATHEN Taskforce unless we

> find we need to bring in outside expertise to do the job right,

>

> Ron

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org]

> On Behalf Of Pratik Patel

> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:08 AM

> To: ea at emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'

> Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please)

>

> Ron, E.A., et al,

>

> Perhaps we can compile a master checklist from the various documents

> we may have floating around. I have one that I tend to use. Would

> you all agree that we are, at this point, seeking functional

> accessibility rather than adherence to any particular "standard?" It

> appears to me that standards, at least when it comes to accessibility,

> are just not keeping up to technological developments. I believe Bob

> Martinengo is not on this list but we should invite him to join the

> list and as a member.

>

> This discussion is very important for the taskforce or any future

> projects we take on. It will give us a baseline document with eval

> guidelines which we might reference. Whatever we look at will have a

> higher ed flavor to it such that it will be a significant step for our

> Educause discussions as well. I like the cross-polination

> possibilities.

>

> Take care all,

>

> Pratik

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org]

> On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan

> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 3:03 PM

> To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'

> Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please)

>

> Bit late in the day but I have been catching up - Pratik and I were

> discussing open source CMS and e-learning or distance learning issues

> and the problems of evaluations. I feel it would be wonderful to

> collaborate on some of this work to make it easier for us all. We

> have PAS 78 in the UK a "Guide to good practice in commissioning

> accessible websites"

> http://www.drc-gb.org/library/website_accessibility_guidance/pas_78.as

> px

> and ISO 9241-171

> http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/pu

> blic_s

> acstandards.hcsp

>

> Best Wishes E.A.

>

> Mrs E.A. Draffan

> Assistive Technologist

> Mobile: 07976 289103

> http://www.emptech.info/

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org]

> On Behalf Of Ron Stewart

> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 5:52 PM

> To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'

> Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please)

>

> This was one of the topics of discussion at the CSUN meeting and we

> can move forward fairly easily. I have the evaluation checklists that

> my program developed at OSU and I am more than willing to share, and I

> bet several of you have similar things.

>

> Bob is this something you are willing to take the lead on? Folks who

> were at the CSUN-ATHEN meeting, how do you see this fitting into our

> taskforce conversation?

>

> Ron Stewart

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org]

> On Behalf Of Greg Kraus

> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:22 AM

> To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network

> Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: AT initiative (your attention please)

>

> One solution would be to set up a Wiki where ATHEN members, or maybe a

> select group of testers from within ATHEN could review products for

> accessibility.

> You could come up with a template that rates various areas of software

> accessibility (something like a VPAT?). That way an "accessibility

> tester"

> can add comments to a particular area of the review as opposed to

> doing a full-blown test of the software.

> Collectively you could build up quite a resource of unbiased reviews

> of software.

>

> Greg Kraus

>

> LecShare, Inc.

> www.lecshare.com

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>

> --- "Berkowitz, Daniel J" <djbrky at bu.edu> wrote:

>

>> ATTENTION ATHEN MEMBERS:

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Kenneth Sawicki [mailto:ksawicki at avc.edu]

>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:45 AM

>> To: Alternate Media

>> Subject: RE: AT initiative

>>

>> I wasn't here yesterday, but what Bob is saying hits the mark... I've

>> been thinking of doing something like that, and perhaps I should quit

>> thinking about doing something, and do it!!! I'm soooo tired of

>> reading, or hearing, "this Assistive Technology is totally

>> accessible, or is Section 508 compliant", and I try to use it, and

>> can't..., And I don't think it's my inability to use Assistive

Technology.

>>

>> -Ken

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Ron Stewart

>> [mailto:ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com]

>> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:58 AM

>> To: Alternate Media

>> Subject: RE: AT initiative

>>

>> That conversation has come up repeatedly and was part of the

>> discussion when Section 508 was on the horizon many moons ago. NIST

>> refused to step up to the plate or was too expensive. We really do

>> need a form of UL labs for access. Let the buyer beware, but I am

>> really tired of back of the bus access!

>>

>> One of my common policy recommendation to the collleges and

>> universities that I have worked with in the last decade is that

>> access be part of their own institutional branding of web spaces.

>>

>> This needs to be an internal process because in order for it to work

>> there has to be ownership. I be!ieve AFB has a certification

>> program, but it is VI centric, and does not deal effectively with

>> cognitive precessing related disabiities.

>>

>> Ron

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: rmartinengo at gmail.com

>> To: "Alternate Media"

>> <altmedia at htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu>

>> Sent: 3/27/07 10:30 AM

>> Subject: RE: AT initiative

>>

>> Ron,

>>

>> Sadly, it appears the main selling point for these programs is that

>> they measure legal and technical compliance, rather than what is

>> truly accessible and usable - quantatative versus qualitative analysis.

>>

>> Wouldn't it be great if there was a 'good housekeeping' stamp of

>> accessibility that was more than an automated list of check points?

>> Perhaps

>> a nonprofit group that would combine the benefits of technical

>> compliance with real-world usability analysis. Someone should start

>> this company!

>>

>> Bob

>>

>>

>> "And this does nothing to insure the accessibility of their sites,

>> someone must be laffing all the way to the bank. We have discussed

>> the use of automated evaluators on every disability list that I am

>> one, and why the do not insure access. You can not just throw money

>> and technology at the problem."

>>

>> Ron Stewart

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