From burke at ucla.edu Fri Feb 2 12:57:53 2007 From: burke at ucla.edu (Patrick Burke) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Job Posting: Adaptive Technologist/Web Designer at UCLA Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070131141630.02763d50@ucla.edu> Hi everyone, Pardon the cross-post (but I'm doing it anyway ...). My department at UCLA is hiring for a position that will combine work on adaptive technology, support, web accessibility, and their convergence with mainstream web design. Some details: Web Accessibility / Adaptive Technology Consultant Programmer/Analyst II Full-time Salary: $3587 - $6399 Description Work as part of the ATS Web Team and the Disabilities and Computing Program, focusing on the convergence of web design, web accessibility and adaptive technologies. Provide technical evaluation, consulting, training and support on web and adaptive technologies to students, faculty, staff, and to campus departments. Evaluate, test and install specialized computer technology and integrate technology with web sites, computer workstations, and local area and campus-wide networks. Plan, design, develop, program, maintain, and improve web sites according to W3C Web Accessibility Initiative Guidelines. Implement sites in XHTML with CSS (tableless) layout. Edit web content. Train and support staff in the use of custom-built and commercial applications. Assist in the development and refinement of interface design standards. Work with other staff to conduct and report on web accessibility and usability evaluations. Provide consulting, training and support to users with disabilities. Help users resolve barriers to computer access through the use of technology. Train users on how to use hardware and software solutions as access tools and compensatory strategies. Provide expertise to computing facilities support personnel on how to solve the problems of computer access for people with disabilities. Provide audio/visual/multimedia support. Full details are here: I look forward to working with you! Patrick -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke@ucla.edu From hascher at asub.edu Tue Feb 6 06:52:00 2007 From: hascher at asub.edu (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility - on an international note... Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djbrky at bu.edu Wed Feb 7 08:09:12 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] [E-grads] MP 3 Files go to College Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116E3ECBF@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Here's and article from CNN. http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/02/06/business.of.life.ap/index.html From manning at ku.edu Wed Feb 7 08:17:16 2007 From: manning at ku.edu (Manning, Melissa Ann) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Warning on Duxbury/Word problem Message-ID: <889CFD77BD70DD4BAA172899250737E9054A51E5@MAILBOXFIVE.home.ku.edu> I know this may affect only a small number of folks who use Duxbury for translating foreign languages into Braille, but for those who do I think you really need to know about this problem. When we use Duxbury to put in a foreign language, we highlight the portion to be translated into a foreign language, and thus into grade 1 exact Braille for that language. We have just discovered that Microsoft WORD goes into the file if it is in WORD, and puts in its own foreign language codes, which are wrong most of the time. It will put in a little shaded code in parens (e.g., (lng~it)that change the language and then mess up the grade 1 and grade 2 Braille. In the last WORD document we were using to explore this, which should have been Italian/English combination, WORD even put in Danish! There is a simple fix for this, you can pull all that trash WORD code out with one operation, but if you don't know about it, it can really mess you up. I talked to Peter Sullivan, the VP of software development at Duxbury, and he said Duxbury had made an actual decision to honor the WORD foreign language code, possibly mistakenly. I would add, that was very mistakenly. Thanks, Melissa Melissa Manning Disability Resources University of Kansas manning@ku.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Wed Feb 7 09:50:37 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Warning on Duxbury/Word problem In-Reply-To: <889CFD77BD70DD4BAA172899250737E9054A51E5@MAILBOXFIVE.home.ku.edu> References: <889CFD77BD70DD4BAA172899250737E9054A51E5@MAILBOXFIVE.home.ku.edu> Message-ID: <001a01c74ae0$79ec2f80$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> And what is the fix? ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Manning, Melissa Ann Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:17 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Warning on Duxbury/Word problem I know this may affect only a small number of folks who use Duxbury for translating foreign languages into Braille, but for those who do I think you really need to know about this problem. When we use Duxbury to put in a foreign language, we highlight the portion to be translated into a foreign language, and thus into grade 1 exact Braille for that language. We have just discovered that Microsoft WORD goes into the file if it is in WORD, and puts in its own foreign language codes, which are wrong most of the time. It will put in a little shaded code in parens (e.g., (lng~it)that change the language and then mess up the grade 1 and grade 2 Braille. In the last WORD document we were using to explore this, which should have been Italian/English combination, WORD even put in Danish! There is a simple fix for this, you can pull all that trash WORD code out with one operation, but if you don't know about it, it can really mess you up. I talked to Peter Sullivan, the VP of software development at Duxbury, and he said Duxbury had made an actual decision to honor the WORD foreign language code, possibly mistakenly. I would add, that was very mistakenly. 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URL: From jbailey at uoregon.edu Wed Feb 7 12:35:39 2007 From: jbailey at uoregon.edu (James Bailey) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] interesting lawsuit against Oracle Message-ID: <1170880539.821151.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> Brought by blind users over access http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2174204/oracle-sued-failing-blind-users -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Wed Feb 7 13:33:13 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] [ATHEN] interesting lawsuit against Oracle In-Reply-To: <1170880539.821151.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> References: <1170880539.821151.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> Message-ID: <002f01c74aff$9735a660$c5a0f320$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Well it is about time that folks started making an issue of this, Oracle has had these problems for at least ten years. It is the primary reason that Banner has problems as well. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of James Bailey Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:36 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] interesting lawsuit against Oracle Brought by blind users over access http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2174204/oracle-sued-failing-blind-users -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From stacylee at ksu.edu Wed Feb 7 13:36:29 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Help for student with hearing impairment Message-ID: <1170884189.45ca465da121f@webmail.ksu.edu> Hi all - I have a student whose online course relies heavily on DVDs, and he is losing a good portion of the lecture due to his hearing impairment. I've looked at the DVD and the instructor seems pretty clear, but often looks at his slides....I suspect that the student may be losing some lipread material at those points. Sound enhancement has helped, but not enough. The student wears hearing aids and is currently using an FM-like system that plugs directly into his hearing aid. My question: are there FM-type systems out there that can accept a line-in from another source (like a computer)? Are there any devices that can go from a line out directly to the hearing aid? At this point I don't have any make/model information on anything. We can always transcribe, but we're well into the semester and the student is just coming to us....I hate to make him wait to get transcripts. Thoughts? Other ideas? THANKS! Stacy Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist Disability Support Services 202 Holton Hall Kansas State University Manhattan, KS 66506 Phone: 785-532-6441 FAX: 785-532-6457 Email: stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. From Ken-Love at Redwoods.edu Wed Feb 7 14:02:50 2007 From: Ken-Love at Redwoods.edu (Love, Ken) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Transcription Aid for Dragon In-Reply-To: <45B8BF84.3020706@carroll.org> Message-ID: I've been waiting for an answer to Dina's question. I am also unclear on whether students are recording the lecturer's voice and producing text directly, with Dragon or whatever. If this has been answered already, please reply off-list. Thank you, Ken Love Alternate Media Specialist College of the Redwoods Eureka, California, USA 707-476-4557 ken-love@redwoods.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Dina Rosenbaum Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:33 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Transcription Aid for Dragon I need a little clarification on this as this question comes up often with our visually impaired students and notetaking. SO you are saying the student uses a digital recorder in class and records a class lecture directly from the professor? THen uses this program to transcribe into a text file that is saved on the computer. But still maintains an audio file for review as well? If I am right, aren't there issues with recording, like the teacher moving around, background noise, etc?? Dina Rosenbaum Carroll Center for the BLind 770 Centre St, Newton, MA 02459 800-852-3131 www.carroll.org www.carrolltech.org Wink Harner wrote: > Stacy et al in Athenland, > > I personally use it the one with Dragon and several of our students use > similar ones for class note transcriptions. One student has used a > stand-alone speech-to-text digital recorder (panasonic, I think) which > works extremely well for his needs. There is some editing involved in > both cases, but with the new Version 9 of Dragon the headache factor has > been much reduced! Our student who uses the panasonic (it's RRUS360 > model) has raved over the practicality & usability of it. You can listen > to it as an audio file and with the software installed on your PC, the > recorder hooks up via a USB connection and the transcription is pretty > automatic. Some editing would be necessary, but with a copy of the notes > from class, it's not that hard to correct. > > Hope this is helpful. > > Wink > Ms. Wink Harner > Manager > Disability Resources & Services > Mesa Community College > > > > > Stacy L. Smith wrote: > > >> Has anyone seen/heard of/used this product? Its purpose is to take >> audio files, run them through Dragon, and then provide you with >> transcription software to correct the transcript as you listen to the >> audio. It's supposed to work with Dragon to improve accuracy as you >> correct the transcript. >> >> http://www.transcriptiongear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Prod uct_Code=TRANSAID-SGL&Category_Code=DIGITRANS-TOP&Product_Count=1 >> >> _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From tlwells at uark.edu Wed Feb 7 14:06:09 2007 From: tlwells at uark.edu (Teresa Wells Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Help for student with hearing impairment In-Reply-To: <1170884189.45ca465da121f@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <00e801c74b04$2ee217b0$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Hi, Stacy. I have two thoughts, one of which might help sooner rather than later, and one that your online course department should consider: 1) Materials being used in the course should be accessible, and the department producing the DVDs in the first place should be made aware of this. Sure, you could always be asked to transcribe the materials afterward, but it would be better if they were providing captioning or transcripts up front. What if the student were Deaf instead of HOH? The best source of transcripts is always the professor who produced the lecture in the first place, since there will be less chance of transcriber error. 2) I addressed a similar situation just the other day for a student who is an FM-system-user. We placed the microphone of the FM transmitter directly in front of the computer speaker, turned the speaker volume up to high, then let the student use the FM receiver to listen to the audio track of a streaming video that was required in her foreign language class. The student could control the volume on her FM receiver and hear it well enough to catch a lot more than she had been. It still isn't perfect (because the original audio track didn't capture everything clearly), but it's better than what she was hearing, which was next to nothing. I haven't actually tried it, but I wonder if you could use a stereo patch cable to go directly from the line-out on the computer to the mic jack on the FM transmitter? I'd want to test it before trying it on a live student, of course, but I would think it might work... I didn't try this solution for my student because the prof still had to be able to use the mic during class for lecture in between showing the video clips. Hope this helps, Teresa Teresa Haven University of Arkansas -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:36 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Help for student with hearing impairment Hi all - I have a student whose online course relies heavily on DVDs, and he is losing a good portion of the lecture due to his hearing impairment. I've looked at the DVD and the instructor seems pretty clear, but often looks at his slides....I suspect that the student may be losing some lipread material at those points. Sound enhancement has helped, but not enough. The student wears hearing aids and is currently using an FM-like system that plugs directly into his hearing aid. My question: are there FM-type systems out there that can accept a line-in from another source (like a computer)? Are there any devices that can go from a line out directly to the hearing aid? At this point I don't have any make/model information on anything. We can always transcribe, but we're well into the semester and the student is just coming to us....I hate to make him wait to get transcripts. Thoughts? Other ideas? THANKS! Stacy Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist Disability Support Services 202 Holton Hall Kansas State University Manhattan, KS 66506 Phone: 785-532-6441 FAX: 785-532-6457 Email: stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From dmurphy at collegeofthedesert.edu Wed Feb 7 14:47:00 2007 From: dmurphy at collegeofthedesert.edu (Daryl Murphy) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Vista and ReadPlease References: Message-ID: Almost every AT product. Give it time, remember when we changed to Win 2000 and XP? From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Nies Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:50 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Vista and ReadPlease Just got this from ReadPlease "ReadPlease Plus 2003 does not work with Vista." What AT have people found that does not work with Vista? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From defnick at yahoo.com Wed Feb 7 20:06:52 2007 From: defnick at yahoo.com (Nick Ogrizovich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Help for Hard of Hearing student In-Reply-To: <00e801c74b04$2ee217b0$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Message-ID: <73945.98942.qm@web33011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Stacey, This is probably what you want: http://www.marilynelectronics.net/products/personal-communication/neckloop-telecoil-coupler.htm Pretty much any neckloop telecoil like that (typically made by william sound) can plug into any device that has a 3.5 mm jack. We use these with ipods, cd players, etc, and it would plug into a computer just as it would the ipods. I agree with Teresa though, equal access is the goal, and ideally, captioned media should be used. If you were able to obtain the master tape, you could then send it to http://www.ccmaker.com/ and the turnaround is pretty fast. It might work out for the student just to have all the captioned media in time for the finals. Even with a neckloop telecoil, I shudder at the thought that its "good enough" for anyone with any degree of hearing loss. It's one thing to use that in a class, but it's a whole other one to use it for multimedia, where the sound is slightly more artificial-sounding. Forget any lipreading done on a small 'screen' and where the speaker is only a few inches big! Nick Ogrizovch Adaptive Technology Lab Manager University fo Vermont --- Teresa Wells Haven wrote: > Hi, Stacy. I have two thoughts, one of which might help sooner rather > than later, and one that your online course department should consider: > > 1) Materials being used in the course should be accessible, and the > department producing the DVDs in the first place should be made aware of > this. Sure, you could always be asked to transcribe the materials > afterward, but it would be better if they were providing captioning or > transcripts up front. What if the student were Deaf instead of HOH? > The best source of transcripts is always the professor who produced the > lecture in the first place, since there will be less chance of > transcriber error. > > 2) I addressed a similar situation just the other day for a student who > is an FM-system-user. We placed the microphone of the FM transmitter > directly in front of the computer speaker, turned the speaker volume up > to high, then let the student use the FM receiver to listen to the audio > track of a streaming video that was required in her foreign language > class. The student could control the volume on her FM receiver and hear > it well enough to catch a lot more than she had been. It still isn't > perfect (because the original audio track didn't capture everything > clearly), but it's better than what she was hearing, which was next to > nothing. > > I haven't actually tried it, but I wonder if you could use a stereo > patch cable to go directly from the line-out on the computer to the mic > jack on the FM transmitter? I'd want to test it before trying it on a > live student, of course, but I would think it might work... I didn't > try this solution for my student because the prof still had to be able > to use the mic during class for lecture in between showing the video > clips. > > Hope this helps, > Teresa > > Teresa Haven > University of Arkansas > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:36 PM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] Help for student with hearing impairment > > > Hi all - > > I have a student whose online course relies heavily on DVDs, and he is > losing a good portion of the lecture due to his hearing impairment. > I've looked at the DVD and the instructor seems pretty clear, but often > looks at his slides....I suspect that the student may be losing some > lipread material at those points. > > Sound enhancement has helped, but not enough. > > The student wears hearing aids and is currently using an FM-like system > that plugs directly into his hearing aid. > > My question: are there FM-type systems out there that can accept a > line-in from another source (like a computer)? > > Are there any devices that can go from a line out directly to the > hearing aid? > > At this point I don't have any make/model information on anything. We > can always transcribe, but we're well into the semester and the student > is just coming to us....I hate to make him wait to get transcripts. > > Thoughts? Other ideas? > > THANKS! > > Stacy > > > Stacy Smith > Adaptive Technology Specialist > Disability Support Services > 202 Holton Hall > Kansas State University > Manhattan, KS 66506 > Phone: 785-532-6441 > FAX: 785-532-6457 > Email: stacylee@ksu.edu > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient > or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you > are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and > that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action > based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If > you have received this communication in error, please notify us > immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From stacylee at ksu.edu Wed Feb 7 22:36:32 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Help for Hard of Hearing student In-Reply-To: <73945.98942.qm@web33011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <73945.98942.qm@web33011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1170916592.45cac4f038037@webmail.ksu.edu> Thanks to everyone who has sent great advice both on and off list. I'm hoping to speak to the student soon to see if any of this will work for him. Captioning is obviously the best solution, but if I can help him hear more course material now, I'd rather. Has anyone had any luck convincing instructors to create transcripts before they create course content? I'm just starting to talk to instructors and support staff about this and if anyone has any experience in this arena, I'd love to hear it. It takes us 4 hrs per hour of lecture to transcribe in-house (I know it could be better, but this is the option I'm allowed at this point). I'd do a happy little dance if I could eliminate that need. Thanks again for the help. I'm very impressed with some of the assistive tech that's out there, and I'm VERY glad that you all are available to point me in the right direction! Stacy Quoting Nick Ogrizovich : > Hello Stacey, > > This is probably what you want: > http://www.marilynelectronics.net/products/personal-communication/neckloop-telecoil-coupler.htm > > Pretty much any neckloop telecoil like that (typically made by > william sound) can plug into any > device that has a 3.5 mm jack. We use these with ipods, cd players, > etc, and it would plug into a > computer just as it would the ipods. > > I agree with Teresa though, equal access is the goal, and ideally, > captioned media should be used. > If you were able to obtain the master tape, you could then send it to > http://www.ccmaker.com/ > and the turnaround is pretty fast. It might work out for the student > just to have all the > captioned media in time for the finals. > > Even with a neckloop telecoil, I shudder at the thought that its > "good enough" for anyone with any > degree of hearing loss. It's one thing to use that in a class, but > it's a whole other one to use > it for multimedia, where the sound is slightly more > artificial-sounding. Forget any lipreading > done on a small 'screen' and where the speaker is only a few inches > big! > > Nick Ogrizovch > Adaptive Technology Lab Manager > University fo Vermont > > > > --- Teresa Wells Haven wrote: > > > Hi, Stacy. I have two thoughts, one of which might help sooner > rather > > than later, and one that your online course department should > consider: > > > > 1) Materials being used in the course should be accessible, and the > > department producing the DVDs in the first place should be made > aware of > > this. Sure, you could always be asked to transcribe the materials > > afterward, but it would be better if they were providing captioning > or > > transcripts up front. What if the student were Deaf instead of > HOH? > > The best source of transcripts is always the professor who produced > the > > lecture in the first place, since there will be less chance of > > transcriber error. > > > > 2) I addressed a similar situation just the other day for a student > who > > is an FM-system-user. We placed the microphone of the FM > transmitter > > directly in front of the computer speaker, turned the speaker > volume up > > to high, then let the student use the FM receiver to listen to the > audio > > track of a streaming video that was required in her foreign > language > > class. The student could control the volume on her FM receiver and > hear > > it well enough to catch a lot more than she had been. It still > isn't > > perfect (because the original audio track didn't capture everything > > clearly), but it's better than what she was hearing, which was next > to > > nothing. > > > > I haven't actually tried it, but I wonder if you could use a stereo > > patch cable to go directly from the line-out on the computer to the > mic > > jack on the FM transmitter? I'd want to test it before trying it > on a > > live student, of course, but I would think it might work... I > didn't > > try this solution for my student because the prof still had to be > able > > to use the mic during class for lecture in between showing the > video > > clips. > > > > Hope this helps, > > Teresa > > > > Teresa Haven > > University of Arkansas > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > > Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith > > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:36 PM > > To: athen@athenpro.org > > Subject: [Athen] Help for student with hearing impairment > > > > > > Hi all - > > > > I have a student whose online course relies heavily on DVDs, and he > is > > losing a good portion of the lecture due to his hearing impairment. > > I've looked at the DVD and the instructor seems pretty clear, but > often > > looks at his slides....I suspect that the student may be losing > some > > lipread material at those points. > > > > Sound enhancement has helped, but not enough. > > > > The student wears hearing aids and is currently using an FM-like > system > > that plugs directly into his hearing aid. > > > > My question: are there FM-type systems out there that can accept a > > line-in from another source (like a computer)? > > > > Are there any devices that can go from a line out directly to the > > hearing aid? > > > > At this point I don't have any make/model information on anything. > We > > can always transcribe, but we're well into the semester and the > student > > is just coming to us....I hate to make him wait to get transcripts. > > > > Thoughts? Other ideas? > > > > THANKS! > > > > Stacy > > > > > > Stacy Smith > > Adaptive Technology Specialist > > Disability Support Services > > 202 Holton Hall > > Kansas State University > > Manhattan, KS 66506 > > Phone: 785-532-6441 > > FAX: 785-532-6457 > > Email: stacylee@ksu.edu > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > This information is confidential. 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From larry.kiser at sfcc.edu Thu Feb 8 08:00:02 2007 From: larry.kiser at sfcc.edu (Larry Kiser) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible CAPCTCHA Message-ID: <20070208110002239.00000001536@SF305507> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enda.guinan at nuim.ie Thu Feb 8 08:07:49 2007 From: enda.guinan at nuim.ie (Enda P Guinan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible CAPCTCHA In-Reply-To: <20070208110002239.00000001536@SF305507> References: <20070208110002239.00000001536@SF305507> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20070208160302.028e3c70@mail.nuim.ie> Hi Larry, I've seen captchas with audio used in some sites, e.g. blogs created with Blogger. An example here: https://www2.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5565776&postID=116659343741023520 No idea of the tech behind it though! Regards, Enda Enda P Guinan Assistive Technology Advisor NUI Maynooth Co. Kildare Ireland P: +353 1 708 4654 F: +353 1 708 3838 E: enda.guinan@nuim.ie W: http://access.nuim.ie At 16:00 08/02/2007, you wrote: >Dear Colleagues: > >I am submitting the following question at the request of my >coordinator. How can you get the functionality of a captcha and still be >508 compliant? Our institution is considering the use of captchas (heaven >only know why) on some web pages. I look forward to your responses. > >Larry Kiser >Santa Fe Community College >Disabilities Resource Center > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tft at u.washington.edu Thu Feb 8 08:17:31 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible CAPCTCHA In-Reply-To: <20070208110002239.00000001536@SF305507> Message-ID: <200702081617.l18GHWcH017831@smtp.washington.edu> Hi Larry, I've seen a couple of strategies for making captchas accessible: 1. Provide an audio version for those who can't see the captcha image. I've done this myself on several websites using Ed Eliot's Visual and Audio PHP CAPTCHA class: http://www.ejeliot.com/pages/2 2. Provide some sort of question or problem that can be easily answered by humans, but not-so-easily answered by computers. Here's an example of this approach from the University of Wisconsin - Madison: http://kb.wisc.edu/feedback.php Neither of these is perfect. The first approach offers no solution for folks who are deaf-blind. And the second approach may present challenges for those with cognitive disabilities who can't answer the question. In the case of the Wisconsin solution, the user must be able to perform simple mathematical calculations, which some users may have difficulty with. The W3C has written a more detailed "working group note" on this topic: http://www.w3.org/TR/turingtest/ Cheers, Terry Terry Thompson Technology Specialist, DO-IT University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 http://www.washington.edu/doit ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Larry Kiser Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:00 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Accessible CAPCTCHA Dear Colleagues: I am submitting the following question at the request of my coordinator. How can you get the functionality of a captcha and still be 508 compliant? Our institution is considering the use of captchas (heaven only know why) on some web pages. I look forward to your responses. Larry Kiser Santa Fe Community College Disabilities Resource Center From saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu Thu Feb 8 09:06:05 2007 From: saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu (Saroj Primlani) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Couple of seminars from Conell -FYI Message-ID: <001801c74ba3$6ba0c800$6701a8c0@sarojlaptop> Couple of interesting seminars on Web 2 form Cornell University Saroj From: University Computer Policy and Law Date: February 6, 2007 4:58:16 PM EST To: IT Policy Promulgation List 9:; Subject: UCPL presents two new seminars on Feb. 8 &12 University Computer Policy and Law presents two upcoming seminars: Session 1 Speaker: Cyndi Rowland, Ph.D., Executive Director of WebAIM, Center for Persons with Disabilities, Utah State University Title: Caught in the Web: Accessibility Now and in Next-generation Technologies Date and Time: Thursday, February 8, 2007 at 3 p.m. Location: G10 Biotech Abstract: Individuals with disabilities have struggled over the past 2 decades to gain access to Web content; content that powerfully predicts academic and employment success. As the field moves to new technologies (e.g., AJAX), what are the likely outcomes for individuals who struggle to gain basic access? Dr. Rowland will discuss the experiences of individuals with disabilities as they attempt to gain access to current content. She will forward the argument that there are many reasons why developers should keep Web accessibility in mind now and in the future. One of those reasons is that from a technologic standpoint, it is the smart thing to do. Session 2 Speaker: Mark Greenfield, Director of Web Services, University at Buffalo Title: Web 2.0 and Accessibility: What Challenges and Opportunities Await? Date and Time: Monday, February 12, 2007 at 4:30 p.m. Location: 301 College Avenue Seminar Room Abstract: The next generation web has arrived. Social Networks, User-Created Content, Rich Media, and the Mobile Web are now part of the landscape. What does this mean for Web Accessibility? Can't make either session? Archived video will be available 12 to 24 hours after the events. Visit http://www.ucpl.cornell.edu for more information. ----------------------- Saroj Primlani Coordinator of University IT Accessibility Information Technology Division NC State University Campus Box 7109 Raleigh, NC 27695 919 513 4087 saroj_primlani@ncsu.edu http://ncsu.edu/it/access -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kevin.sesock at okstate.edu Thu Feb 8 09:09:55 2007 From: kevin.sesock at okstate.edu (Sesock, Kevin A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC Message-ID: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DE37@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> There are a few who have been witness to my complaints about the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's Office Export Wizard plug-in. I'm not going to get into that now (if anyone is interested, mail me for a sample tirade off-list), but I do need a good alternative to convert Powerpoint and other Office documents to an accessible HTML alternative. Up until 1.06, the Illinois tool was free and didn't nag or annoy, and if anyone has that version, that would be helpful (I have lost my copy), otherwise, anyone have other recommendations? Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA Assistive Technology Specialist Student Disability Services Division of Student Affairs Oklahoma State University http://access.it.okstate.edu "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jongund at uiuc.edu Thu Feb 8 09:10:45 2007 From: jongund at uiuc.edu (Jon Gunderson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible CAPCTCHA Message-ID: <20070208111045.AKE19726@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Here is a W3C note on the topic: Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA: Alternatives to Visual Turing Tests on the Web http://www.w3.org/TR/turingtest/ Jon ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:00:02 -0500 >From: Larry Kiser >Subject: [Athen] Accessible CAPCTCHA >To: "athen@athenpro.org" > > Dear Colleagues: > > > > I am submitting the following question at the > request of my coordinator. How can you get the > functionality of a captcha and still be 508 > compliant? Our institution is considering the use > of captchas (heaven only know why) on some web > pages. I look forward to your responses. > > > > Larry Kiser > > Santa Fe Community College > > Disabilities Resource Center > > >________________ >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. Director of IT Accessibility Services Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES) and Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology Disability Resources and Education Services (DRES) Voice: (217) 244-5870 Fax: (217) 333-0248 Cell: (217) 714-6313 E-mail: jongund@uiuc.edu WWW: http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/ WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/ From charles.silverman at utoronto.ca Thu Feb 8 09:43:29 2007 From: charles.silverman at utoronto.ca (Charles Silverman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] support for student with hearing loss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55E859F7-2BE1-4FAB-BA9E-B53E8CAD706E@utoronto.ca> On the topic of support students with hearing loss in lectures/ classrooms, etc., if it's a lecture then captioning either a video or audio file makes so much sense (assuming that a computer is the playback environment). All students would benefit from this as captioning is a way to reinforce concepts, terms, etc. Students who are familiar with words and terminology used in the subject area do the captioning as part of their work study. We created a captioning and descriptive video editor a few years back, called CapScribe. We use it a lot in-house, but it's open- source, free to anyone, runs on Mac OS 10.3 or greater. Documentation could be better but still, it's a quick learning curve. Reports back from users suggest that it's pretty easy to use. Quicktime compatible media is required and Quicktime is required to to play back content (not a big deal in the era of iPod and iTunes saturation). Check out some samples on its home page also on the ARTC's SNOW site. Catherine Frazee's talk at the 2005 United Nations International Day of Disabled Persons is a particularly inspiring. Feel free to contact me off-line if you're interested in using it or have questions. Magpie from NCAM at WGBH is the other currently free editor. It runs on both Mac and Windows. best, Charles _______________ Charles Silverman, M.Ed. SNOW Coordinator Adaptive Technology Resource Centre Faculty of Information Studies University of Toronto "Now, 75 years later in an abundant society where people have laptops, cell phones, iPods, and minds like empty rooms, I still plod along with books." - Harper Lee > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:36:32 -0600 > From: "Stacy L. Smith" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Help for Hard of Hearing student > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Message-ID: <1170916592.45cac4f038037@webmail.ksu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Thanks to everyone who has sent great advice both on and off list. > I'm > hoping to speak to the student soon to see if any of this will work > for > him. > > Captioning is obviously the best solution, but if I can help him hear > more course material now, I'd rather. > > Has anyone had any luck convincing instructors to create transcripts > before they create course content? I'm just starting to talk to > instructors and support staff about this and if anyone has any > experience in this arena, I'd love to hear it. It takes us 4 hrs per > hour of lecture to transcribe in-house (I know it could be better, but > this is the option I'm allowed at this point). I'd do a happy little > dance if I could eliminate that need. > > Thanks again for the help. I'm very impressed with some of the > assistive tech that's out there, and I'm VERY glad that you all are > available to point me in the right direction! > > Stacy > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at htctu.net Thu Feb 8 09:46:01 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC In-Reply-To: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DE37@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> References: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DE37@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <001801c74ba8$fff2f550$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hi Kevin, You may want to check out LecShare. Similar in concept (different in technical functionality), LecShare can take a PPT file and convert it to several different accessible formats. Their higher end product LecShare Pro can also support the addition of voice media to slides (and do some basic automated captioning). Site is: http://www.lecshare.com Take a look at the trial version - it is fully functioning and just embeds a LecShare watermark on each exported format so that you do not use the trial version for prime time. Works for Macs and PCs, so that is a nice feature. Currently it only works with PowerPoint files, so if you are looking for Word or Excel support, then it is the Office Export Wizard (aka Accessible Web Publishing Wizard). I have also had a number of faculty approach me regarding the use of Camtasia to deliver PPT content (obviously a more expensive solution). The result is just a Flash video of the presentation with a voice-over narration (this is somewhat similar to one of the exports of LecShare Pro also does). The current version of Camtasia also provides a tool for captioning the presentation. It does appear to have many customization options, but I am looking into this a bit more. Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but it is something that more faculty appear to be doing. Take care, Sean _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:10 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC There are a few who have been witness to my complaints about the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's Office Export Wizard plug-in. I'm not going to get into that now (if anyone is interested, mail me for a sample tirade off-list), but I do need a good alternative to convert Powerpoint and other Office documents to an accessible HTML alternative. Up until 1.06, the Illinois tool was free and didn't nag or annoy, and if anyone has that version, that would be helpful (I have lost my copy), otherwise, anyone have other recommendations? Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA Assistive Technology Specialist Student Disability Services Division of Student Affairs Oklahoma State University http://access.it.okstate.edu "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Glenda at webaccessibility.biz Thu Feb 8 14:49:05 2007 From: Glenda at webaccessibility.biz (Glenda Watson Hyatt) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible CAPCTCHA In-Reply-To: <20070208110002239.00000001536@SF305507> Message-ID: Hi Larry, Great question! I researched this topic for a brief article last year - http://www.accessiblecontent.com/online/v2n1/index.php?view=captcha . At that time, there was not an "ideal" solution. One workaround is to offer a variety of CAPTCHAs so users can choose the one that works for them. Good luck. If only such things weren't necessary. Cheers, Glenda Glenda Watson Hyatt, Author of I'll Do It Myself Please join me on my virtual book tour at www.doitmyselfblog.com Email: Glenda@BooksbyGlenda.com Skype: Glenda.Watson.Hyatt (text only, please) ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Larry Kiser Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:00 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Accessible CAPCTCHA Dear Colleagues: I am submitting the following question at the request of my coordinator. How can you get the functionality of a captcha and still be 508 compliant? Our institution is considering the use of captchas (heaven only know why) on some web pages. I look forward to your responses. Larry Kiser Santa Fe Community College Disabilities Resource Center -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.31/676 - Release Date: 2/8/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.31/676 - Release Date: 2/8/2007 From skeegan at htctu.net Thu Feb 8 16:06:10 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Podcasting in college Message-ID: <005b01c74bde$1b29b6d0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Received an article on using MP3s at the college level. I have to admit, it has been a great way to brush up on my Spanish speaking skills (or rather a lack thereof). Visit: http://tinyurl.com/369o4q Take care, Sean Sean Keegan Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges From pwhite3 at exchange.calstatela.edu Thu Feb 8 16:42:00 2007 From: pwhite3 at exchange.calstatela.edu (White, Phillip B.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] dual monitor and enlargment In-Reply-To: <005b01c74bde$1b29b6d0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <005b01c74bde$1b29b6d0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <249223C7F58DC140A96F27C89DBAF12F01A90716@santafe7.academic.ad.calstatela.edu> Has anyone used dual monitors with an enlargement software successfully? I am expecting that two separate video cards are installed. Phillip White Adaptive Technology Coordinator Cal State University Los Angeles 323-343-3138 From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Feb 8 18:32:27 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC References: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DE37@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> <001801c74ba8$fff2f550$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E45B@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> I'll echo Sean. I saw a demo of LecShare at Accessing Higher Ground and picked up a copy on the spot. Given the price it was worth getting a copy to try out. I have used it to create accessible version of PPT's for many presentations - including this one: http://www.colorado.edu/atconference/etext_production.htm It's a good basic program that does what it promises. ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Sean Keegan Sent: Thu 2/8/2007 12:46 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC Hi Kevin, You may want to check out LecShare. Similar in concept (different in technical functionality), LecShare can take a PPT file and convert it to several different accessible formats. Their higher end product LecShare Pro can also support the addition of voice media to slides (and do some basic automated captioning). Site is: http://www.lecshare.com Take a look at the trial version - it is fully functioning and just embeds a LecShare watermark on each exported format so that you do not use the trial version for prime time. Works for Macs and PCs, so that is a nice feature. Currently it only works with PowerPoint files, so if you are looking for Word or Excel support, then it is the Office Export Wizard (aka Accessible Web Publishing Wizard). I have also had a number of faculty approach me regarding the use of Camtasia to deliver PPT content (obviously a more expensive solution). The result is just a Flash video of the presentation with a voice-over narration (this is somewhat similar to one of the exports of LecShare Pro also does). The current version of Camtasia also provides a tool for captioning the presentation. It does appear to have many customization options, but I am looking into this a bit more. Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but it is something that more faculty appear to be doing. Take care, Sean ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:10 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC There are a few who have been witness to my complaints about the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's Office Export Wizard plug-in. I'm not going to get into that now (if anyone is interested, mail me for a sample tirade off-list), but I do need a good alternative to convert Powerpoint and other Office documents to an accessible HTML alternative. Up until 1.06, the Illinois tool was free and didn't nag or annoy, and if anyone has that version, that would be helpful (I have lost my copy), otherwise, anyone have other recommendations? Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA Assistive Technology Specialist Student Disability Services Division of Student Affairs Oklahoma State University http://access.it.okstate.edu "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Feb 8 18:45:36 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Podcasting in college References: <005b01c74bde$1b29b6d0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E45D@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> If you are going to be looking for and listening to podcasts -- a good place to start is with the ATHEN blog: http://athenpro.blogspot.com/2007/02/multimedia-edition.html ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Sean Keegan Sent: Thu 2/8/2007 7:06 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'; 'Alternate Media' Subject: [Athen] Podcasting in college Received an article on using MP3s at the college level. I have to admit, it has been a great way to brush up on my Spanish speaking skills (or rather a lack thereof). Visit: http://tinyurl.com/369o4q Take care, Sean Sean Keegan Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Fri Feb 9 05:48:14 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] dual monitor and enlargment Message-ID: We have not been successful with Zoomtext. And even with the second monitor function turned off, Zoomtext still balks at being installed. It's frustrating. I'd like to know if anyone else has had luck with this. Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 From rbeach at kckcc.edu Fri Feb 9 06:25:50 2007 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC Message-ID: Kevin, At the Accessing Higher Ground Conference, there was a product being demonstrated called Lecshare. It supposedly did a very good job converting PowerPoint documents into any of several formats, including HTML. I have not yet played with it myself, bu you can get a demonstration copy from http://www.lecshare.com The price certainly seemed reasonable. Good luck! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> kevin.sesock@okstate.edu 2/8/2007 11:09 AM >>> There are a few who have been witness to my complaints about the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's Office Export Wizard plug-in. I'm not going to get into that now (if anyone is interested, mail me for a sample tirade off-list), but I do need a good alternative to convert Powerpoint and other Office documents to an accessible HTML alternative. Up until 1.06, the Illinois tool was free and didn't nag or annoy, and if anyone has that version, that would be helpful (I have lost my copy), otherwise, anyone have other recommendations? Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA Assistive Technology Specialist Student Disability Services Division of Student Affairs Oklahoma State University http://access.it.okstate.edu "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by KCKCC's MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From stacylee at ksu.edu Fri Feb 9 06:35:10 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E45B@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DE37@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> <001801c74ba8$fff2f550$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E45B@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <1171031710.45cc869ed29f1@webmail.ksu.edu> I've been using LecShare and love it. (www.lecshare.com) Doesn't Flash put the captions over the slide itself? (In other words, your captioning may be covering part of the text of the slide.) There was a presentation on PPT at the Higher Ground Conference....should be on your CD if you purchased one. Stacy Quoting "Berkowitz, Daniel J" : > I'll echo Sean. I saw a demo of LecShare at Accessing Higher Ground > and picked up a copy on the spot. Given the price it was worth > getting a copy to try out. I have used it to create accessible > version of PPT's for many presentations - including this one: > http://www.colorado.edu/atconference/etext_production.htm > > > It's a good basic program that does what it promises. > > > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability > > ________________________________ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Sean Keegan > Sent: Thu 2/8/2007 12:46 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > > Hi Kevin, > > You may want to check out LecShare. Similar in concept (different in > technical functionality), LecShare can take a PPT file and convert it > to several different accessible formats. Their higher end product > LecShare Pro can also support the addition of voice media to slides > (and do some basic automated captioning). Site is: > http://www.lecshare.com > > Take a look at the trial version - it is fully functioning and just > embeds a LecShare watermark on each exported format so that you do > not use the trial version for prime time. Works for Macs and PCs, so > that is a nice feature. Currently it only works with PowerPoint > files, so if you are looking for Word or Excel support, then it is > the Office Export Wizard (aka Accessible Web Publishing Wizard). > > I have also had a number of faculty approach me regarding the use of > Camtasia to deliver PPT content (obviously a more expensive > solution). The result is just a Flash video of the presentation with > a voice-over narration (this is somewhat similar to one of the > exports of LecShare Pro also does). The current version of Camtasia > also provides a tool for captioning the presentation. It does appear > to have many customization options, but I am looking into this a bit > more. Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but it is > something that more faculty appear to be doing. > > Take care, > Sean > > > ________________________________ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:10 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > > There are a few who have been witness to my complaints about the > University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's Office Export Wizard > plug-in. I'm not going to get into that now (if anyone is interested, > mail me for a sample tirade off-list), but I do need a good > alternative to convert Powerpoint and other Office documents to an > accessible HTML alternative. > > Up until 1.06, the Illinois tool was free and didn't nag or annoy, > and if anyone has that version, that would be helpful (I have lost my > copy), otherwise, anyone have other recommendations? > > Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA > Assistive Technology Specialist > Student Disability Services > Division of Student Affairs > Oklahoma State University > > http://access.it.okstate.edu > > "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has > understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist Disability Support Services 202 Holton Hall Kansas State University Manhattan, KS 66506 Phone: 785-532-6441 FAX: 785-532-6457 Email: stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This information is confidential. 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From kevin.sesock at okstate.edu Fri Feb 9 06:47:50 2007 From: kevin.sesock at okstate.edu (Sesock, Kevin A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC In-Reply-To: <1171031710.45cc869ed29f1@webmail.ksu.edu> References: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DE37@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu><001801c74ba8$fff2f550$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu><7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E45B@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <1171031710.45cc869ed29f1@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DFFB@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> Thanks all, I'll give LecShare a try, but I'm still slightly peeved that I'm going to have to find even more money elsewhere just to be able to do this. I suppose it's the principle of the thing. Anyone know of any Open Source projects to accomplish this same thing? I've asked before elsewhere, but as that was quite some time ago, I had hopedthat someone else would have gotten to work on a solution. Anyway, thanks all. Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA Assistive Technology Specialist Student Disability Services Division of Student Affairs Oklahoma State University http://access.it.okstate.edu "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:35 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Berkowitz, Daniel J Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC I've been using LecShare and love it. (www.lecshare.com) Doesn't Flash put the captions over the slide itself? (In other words, your captioning may be covering part of the text of the slide.) There was a presentation on PPT at the Higher Ground Conference....should be on your CD if you purchased one. Stacy Quoting "Berkowitz, Daniel J" : > I'll echo Sean. I saw a demo of LecShare at Accessing Higher Ground > and picked up a copy on the spot. Given the price it was worth getting > a copy to try out. I have used it to create accessible version of > PPT's for many presentations - including this one: > http://www.colorado.edu/atconference/etext_production.htm > > > It's a good basic program that does what it promises. > > > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability > > ________________________________ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Sean Keegan > Sent: Thu 2/8/2007 12:46 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > > Hi Kevin, > > You may want to check out LecShare. Similar in concept (different in > technical functionality), LecShare can take a PPT file and convert it > to several different accessible formats. Their higher end product > LecShare Pro can also support the addition of voice media to slides > (and do some basic automated captioning). Site is: > http://www.lecshare.com > > Take a look at the trial version - it is fully functioning and just > embeds a LecShare watermark on each exported format so that you do not > use the trial version for prime time. Works for Macs and PCs, so that > is a nice feature. Currently it only works with PowerPoint files, so > if you are looking for Word or Excel support, then it is the Office > Export Wizard (aka Accessible Web Publishing Wizard). > > I have also had a number of faculty approach me regarding the use of > Camtasia to deliver PPT content (obviously a more expensive solution). > The result is just a Flash video of the presentation with a voice-over > narration (this is somewhat similar to one of the exports of LecShare > Pro also does). The current version of Camtasia also provides a tool > for captioning the presentation. It does appear to have many > customization options, but I am looking into this a bit more. > Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but it is something > that more faculty appear to be doing. > > Take care, > Sean > > > ________________________________ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:10 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > > There are a few who have been witness to my complaints about the > University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's Office Export Wizard > plug-in. I'm not going to get into that now (if anyone is interested, > mail me for a sample tirade off-list), but I do need a good > alternative to convert Powerpoint and other Office documents to an > accessible HTML alternative. > > Up until 1.06, the Illinois tool was free and didn't nag or annoy, and > if anyone has that version, that would be helpful (I have lost my > copy), otherwise, anyone have other recommendations? > > Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA > Assistive Technology Specialist > Student Disability Services > Division of Student Affairs > Oklahoma State University > > http://access.it.okstate.edu > > "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has > understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist Disability Support Services 202 Holton Hall Kansas State University Manhattan, KS 66506 Phone: 785-532-6441 FAX: 785-532-6457 Email: stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ea at emptech.info Fri Feb 9 07:46:54 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC In-Reply-To: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DFFB@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> References: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DE37@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu><001801c74ba8$fff2f550$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu><7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E45B@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><1171031710.45cc869ed29f1@webmail.ksu.edu> <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DFFB@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <00cc01c74c61$86232f60$0a01a8c0@laptop> PowerTalk (http://tinyurl.com/2xrkj4) is the only add on that may help some folk listen to their PowerPoints that I know is open source. I have given it to a student who was concerned about their stammer but it does not solve your problem and I was trying to look for my old Illinois download but I am not sure it would work with the latest versions of Office. I have always exported my outlines to text format but am now including more and more Flash screen animations and will have to explain these. Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:48 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC Thanks all, I'll give LecShare a try, but I'm still slightly peeved that I'm going to have to find even more money elsewhere just to be able to do this. I suppose it's the principle of the thing. Anyone know of any Open Source projects to accomplish this same thing? I've asked before elsewhere, but as that was quite some time ago, I had hopedthat someone else would have gotten to work on a solution. Anyway, thanks all. Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA Assistive Technology Specialist Student Disability Services Division of Student Affairs Oklahoma State University http://access.it.okstate.edu "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:35 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Berkowitz, Daniel J Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC I've been using LecShare and love it. (www.lecshare.com) Doesn't Flash put the captions over the slide itself? (In other words, your captioning may be covering part of the text of the slide.) There was a presentation on PPT at the Higher Ground Conference....should be on your CD if you purchased one. Stacy Quoting "Berkowitz, Daniel J" : > I'll echo Sean. I saw a demo of LecShare at Accessing Higher Ground > and picked up a copy on the spot. Given the price it was worth getting > a copy to try out. I have used it to create accessible version of > PPT's for many presentations - including this one: > http://www.colorado.edu/atconference/etext_production.htm > > > It's a good basic program that does what it promises. > > > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability > > ________________________________ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Sean Keegan > Sent: Thu 2/8/2007 12:46 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > > Hi Kevin, > > You may want to check out LecShare. Similar in concept (different in > technical functionality), LecShare can take a PPT file and convert it > to several different accessible formats. Their higher end product > LecShare Pro can also support the addition of voice media to slides > (and do some basic automated captioning). Site is: > http://www.lecshare.com > > Take a look at the trial version - it is fully functioning and just > embeds a LecShare watermark on each exported format so that you do not > use the trial version for prime time. Works for Macs and PCs, so that > is a nice feature. Currently it only works with PowerPoint files, so > if you are looking for Word or Excel support, then it is the Office > Export Wizard (aka Accessible Web Publishing Wizard). > > I have also had a number of faculty approach me regarding the use of > Camtasia to deliver PPT content (obviously a more expensive solution). > The result is just a Flash video of the presentation with a voice-over > narration (this is somewhat similar to one of the exports of LecShare > Pro also does). The current version of Camtasia also provides a tool > for captioning the presentation. It does appear to have many > customization options, but I am looking into this a bit more. > Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but it is something > that more faculty appear to be doing. > > Take care, > Sean > > > ________________________________ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:10 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > > There are a few who have been witness to my complaints about the > University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's Office Export Wizard > plug-in. I'm not going to get into that now (if anyone is interested, > mail me for a sample tirade off-list), but I do need a good > alternative to convert Powerpoint and other Office documents to an > accessible HTML alternative. > > Up until 1.06, the Illinois tool was free and didn't nag or annoy, and > if anyone has that version, that would be helpful (I have lost my > copy), otherwise, anyone have other recommendations? > > Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA > Assistive Technology Specialist > Student Disability Services > Division of Student Affairs > Oklahoma State University > > http://access.it.okstate.edu > > "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has > understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist Disability Support Services 202 Holton Hall Kansas State University Manhattan, KS 66506 Phone: 785-532-6441 FAX: 785-532-6457 Email: stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This information is confidential. 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Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.32/677 - Release Date: 08/02/2007 From tex at humboldt.edu Fri Feb 9 08:46:35 2007 From: tex at humboldt.edu (Cassandra Tex) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC In-Reply-To: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DFFB@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu > References: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DE37@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> <001801c74ba8$fff2f550$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E45B@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <1171031710.45cc869ed29f1@webmail.ksu.edu> <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DFFB@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070209084039.01be9be0@humboldt.edu> Greetings Kevin, There are a handful of folks on our campus who have used LecShare Pro. We've liked the product and the price does seem reasonable. However, we're looking for a campus solution and are looking at all of our options. I'm interested in your experiences (sounds like they weren't positive) with the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's Office Export Wizard plug-in. LecShare is only for PowerPoint presentations, where it looks like the UIUC tool is for PowerPoint, Word, and Excel. The additional option of creating accessible Excel worksheets is desirable, especially if we can get one tool that will serve many functions. However, before jumping in, I would like to know why you don't like this tool. If you wouldn't mind sharing with me, I would appreciate it. Thanks. Cassandra Tex Assistive Technology Specialist Humboldt State University At 06:47 AM 2/9/2007, you wrote: >Thanks all, I'll give LecShare a try, but I'm still slightly peeved that >I'm going to have to find even more money elsewhere just to be able to >do this. > >I suppose it's the principle of the thing. > >Anyone know of any Open Source projects to accomplish this same thing? >I've asked before elsewhere, but as that was quite some time ago, I had >hopedthat someone else would have gotten to work on a solution. > >Anyway, thanks all. > >Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA >Assistive Technology Specialist >Student Disability Services >Division of Student Affairs >Oklahoma State University > >http://access.it.okstate.edu > >"Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, >delight to they who have listened." - Odin > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith >Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:35 AM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Berkowitz, Daniel >J >Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > >I've been using LecShare and love it. (www.lecshare.com) > >Doesn't Flash put the captions over the slide itself? (In other words, >your captioning may be covering part of the text of the slide.) There >was a presentation on PPT at the Higher Ground Conference....should be >on your CD if you purchased one. > >Stacy > >Quoting "Berkowitz, Daniel J" : > > > I'll echo Sean. I saw a demo of LecShare at Accessing Higher Ground > > and picked up a copy on the spot. Given the price it was worth getting > > > a copy to try out. I have used it to create accessible version of > > PPT's for many presentations - including this one: > > http://www.colorado.edu/atconference/etext_production.htm > > > > > > It's a good basic program that does what it promises. > > > > > > > > > > ========================= > > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > > Boston University Office of Disability Services > > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > > Boston, MA 02215 > > > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Sean Keegan > > Sent: Thu 2/8/2007 12:46 PM > > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > > > > > Hi Kevin, > > > > You may want to check out LecShare. Similar in concept (different in > > technical functionality), LecShare can take a PPT file and convert it > > to several different accessible formats. Their higher end product > > LecShare Pro can also support the addition of voice media to slides > > (and do some basic automated captioning). Site is: > > http://www.lecshare.com > > > > Take a look at the trial version - it is fully functioning and just > > embeds a LecShare watermark on each exported format so that you do not > > > use the trial version for prime time. Works for Macs and PCs, so that > > > is a nice feature. Currently it only works with PowerPoint files, so > > if you are looking for Word or Excel support, then it is the Office > > Export Wizard (aka Accessible Web Publishing Wizard). > > > > I have also had a number of faculty approach me regarding the use of > > Camtasia to deliver PPT content (obviously a more expensive solution). > > > The result is just a Flash video of the presentation with a voice-over > > > narration (this is somewhat similar to one of the exports of LecShare > > Pro also does). The current version of Camtasia also provides a tool > > for captioning the presentation. It does appear to have many > > customization options, but I am looking into this a bit more. > > Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but it is something > > that more faculty appear to be doing. > > > > Take care, > > Sean > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > > On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:10 AM > > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > > > > > There are a few who have been witness to my complaints about the > > University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's Office Export Wizard > > plug-in. I'm not going to get into that now (if anyone is interested, > > mail me for a sample tirade off-list), but I do need a good > > alternative to convert Powerpoint and other Office documents to an > > accessible HTML alternative. > > > > Up until 1.06, the Illinois tool was free and didn't nag or annoy, and > > > if anyone has that version, that would be helpful (I have lost my > > copy), otherwise, anyone have other recommendations? > > > > Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Student Disability Services > > Division of Student Affairs > > Oklahoma State University > > > > http://access.it.okstate.edu > > > > "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has > > understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > >Stacy Smith >Adaptive Technology Specialist >Disability Support Services >202 Holton Hall >Kansas State University >Manhattan, KS 66506 >Phone: 785-532-6441 >FAX: 785-532-6457 >Email: stacylee@ksu.edu > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient >or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you >are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and >that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action >based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If >you have received this communication in error, please notify us >immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From tft at u.washington.edu Fri Feb 9 08:58:00 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC In-Reply-To: <1171031710.45cc869ed29f1@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <200702091658.l19Gw2jn009463@smtp.washington.edu> Stacy, I think that was my presentation you saw in Boulder - the Flash/captions problem you're describing is a Camtasia problem. If you use Camtasia 4 (the new version) to create a narrated PowerPoint, Camtasia provides a very easy-to-use interface for addding captions. This is an awesome feature, and if you export to any movie type other than Flash, you get a nice presentation that includes open captions. However, if you export to Flash, the captions cover up the video and are unreadable. You can see examples of both the Flash version and Quicktime version here: http://staff.washington.edu/tft/talks/powerpoint/index.html (jump down to Technique #4 - sorry, these are short videos but they aren't streaming so they may take some time to download) Terry Terry Thompson Technology Specialist, DO-IT University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 http://www.washington.edu/doit > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 6:35 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; > Berkowitz, Daniel J > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > I've been using LecShare and love it. (www.lecshare.com) > > Doesn't Flash put the captions over the slide itself? (In > other words, your captioning may be covering part of the text > of the slide.) There was a presentation on PPT at the Higher > Ground Conference....should be on your CD if you purchased one. > > Stacy > > Quoting "Berkowitz, Daniel J" : > > > I'll echo Sean. I saw a demo of LecShare at Accessing Higher Ground > > and picked up a copy on the spot. Given the price it was > worth getting > > a copy to try out. I have used it to create accessible version of > > PPT's for many presentations - including this one: > > http://www.colorado.edu/atconference/etext_production.htm > > > > > > It's a good basic program that does what it promises. > > > > > > > > > > ========================= > > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > > Boston University Office of Disability Services > > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > > Boston, MA 02215 > > > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Sean Keegan > > Sent: Thu 2/8/2007 12:46 PM > > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In > That's NOT UIUC > > > > > > Hi Kevin, > > > > You may want to check out LecShare. Similar in concept > (different in > > technical functionality), LecShare can take a PPT file and > convert it > > to several different accessible formats. Their higher end product > > LecShare Pro can also support the addition of voice media to slides > > (and do some basic automated captioning). Site is: > > http://www.lecshare.com > > > > Take a look at the trial version - it is fully functioning and just > > embeds a LecShare watermark on each exported format so that > you do not > > use the trial version for prime time. Works for Macs and > PCs, so that > > is a nice feature. Currently it only works with PowerPoint > files, so > > if you are looking for Word or Excel support, then it is the Office > > Export Wizard (aka Accessible Web Publishing Wizard). > > > > I have also had a number of faculty approach me regarding > the use of > > Camtasia to deliver PPT content (obviously a more expensive > solution). > > The result is just a Flash video of the presentation with a > voice-over > > narration (this is somewhat similar to one of the exports > of LecShare > > Pro also does). The current version of Camtasia also > provides a tool > > for captioning the presentation. It does appear to have many > > customization options, but I am looking into this a bit more. > > Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but it is something > > that more faculty appear to be doing. > > > > Take care, > > Sean > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > > On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:10 AM > > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > > > > > There are a few who have been witness to my complaints about the > > University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's Office Export Wizard > > plug-in. I'm not going to get into that now (if anyone is > interested, > > mail me for a sample tirade off-list), but I do need a good > > alternative to convert Powerpoint and other Office documents to an > > accessible HTML alternative. > > > > Up until 1.06, the Illinois tool was free and didn't nag or > annoy, and > > if anyone has that version, that would be helpful (I have lost my > > copy), otherwise, anyone have other recommendations? > > > > Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Student Disability Services > > Division of Student Affairs > > Oklahoma State University > > > > http://access.it.okstate.edu > > > > "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has > > understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > Stacy Smith > Adaptive Technology Specialist > Disability Support Services > 202 Holton Hall > Kansas State University > Manhattan, KS 66506 > Phone: 785-532-6441 > FAX: 785-532-6457 > Email: stacylee@ksu.edu > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This information is confidential. If you are not the intended > recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have > received this document in error and that any review, > dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action based on > the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If > you have received this communication in error, please notify > us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From kevin.sesock at okstate.edu Fri Feb 9 09:18:39 2007 From: kevin.sesock at okstate.edu (Sesock, Kevin A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20070209084039.01be9be0@humboldt.edu> References: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DE37@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu><001801c74ba8$fff2f550$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu><7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E45B@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><1171031710.45cc869ed29f1@webmail.ksu.edu><987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DFFB@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> <7.0.1.0.0.20070209084039.01be9be0@humboldt.edu> Message-ID: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9E08F@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> I suppose there's no harm in sharing my thoughts about UIUC, since I've been pretty vocal about them before. I didn't want to start a flame war, but this list has been very mature in the past so I trust each of you to overlook my lack of maturity (I jest, I think). Here's the text of the message I sent to one of the listsers when he asked me for the same. If you guys don't want to hear my rant, I suppose then this message should be immediately diverted to the trash. Thanks for putting up with my crap. Quoth: The way that the community was misled was blatantly vile: I've pretty much talked the topic to death, about how UIUC pretty much dangled a carrot in front of the community, got people to do beta testing, then started charging an outrageous price by many people's standards for a tool that should be a basic feature of already expensive software that campuses have already had to spend nonexistent funds on. To top it off, the older (and significantly more free) versions of the software, while immature by the standards of the newer, are unsupported, unavailable, and treated as though they don't even exist anymore. I'm a huge proponent of open source software: We've experienced vendor lock-in before, and it's come back to haunt us when a vendor decides to remove a feature that our environment finds vital, we have to scramble around to find an alternative or beg the vendor to reinstate it. In effect, we end up having to mold our environment around the software we purchase, not mold the software into our environment. Open source software is not only cheaper, it helps prevent this from happening to us. Instead, what UIUC has done, as a public institution, is decided to operate more off the profit model, thinking this is the only way that development would ever get done. The open source model has shown, in several circumstances, that this is not the only development method, that people really are willing to take good products and make them better without the need for profit, simply because it needs to be done. I know that if the Accessible Office Export Plug-In were open source, I would certainly be willing to help. We don't have an unlimited budget: UIUC seems to think that $39.95 is cheap, but for an institution that produces a huge amount of office documents that all need to be published accessibly, the cost goes up when you think of the number of licenses that would need to be bought. I've had a hard enough time justifying the cost of legitimate assistive technology software that has a direct positive effect on students educations. Justifying this is even more difficult. Add on to this the added cost of supporting yet another piece of software that has to have our rather rigid environment molded around it, and the actual man-hours associated with this, and we're talking about something that's just plain unconscionable. There are other reasons why I think UIUC has done a Bad Thing(TM), and they mostly revolve around the lack of desire to understand these issues from our perspective, or the locked-in mentality they have that their software development methodology is the only one that will work, but understanding these are mostly dependent on understanding some of the conversations that occurred on a few of the other lists I peruse that also happened to contain the director responsible for the Office Export Wizard. That's it in a nutshell. Feel free to let me know your thoughts. Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA Assistive Technology Specialist Student Disability Services Division of Student Affairs Oklahoma State University http://access.it.okstate.edu "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Cassandra Tex Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:47 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC Greetings Kevin, There are a handful of folks on our campus who have used LecShare Pro. We've liked the product and the price does seem reasonable. However, we're looking for a campus solution and are looking at all of our options. I'm interested in your experiences (sounds like they weren't positive) with the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's Office Export Wizard plug-in. LecShare is only for PowerPoint presentations, where it looks like the UIUC tool is for PowerPoint, Word, and Excel. The additional option of creating accessible Excel worksheets is desirable, especially if we can get one tool that will serve many functions. However, before jumping in, I would like to know why you don't like this tool. If you wouldn't mind sharing with me, I would appreciate it. Thanks. Cassandra Tex Assistive Technology Specialist Humboldt State University At 06:47 AM 2/9/2007, you wrote: >Thanks all, I'll give LecShare a try, but I'm still slightly peeved that >I'm going to have to find even more money elsewhere just to be able to >do this. > >I suppose it's the principle of the thing. > >Anyone know of any Open Source projects to accomplish this same thing? >I've asked before elsewhere, but as that was quite some time ago, I had >hopedthat someone else would have gotten to work on a solution. > >Anyway, thanks all. > >Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA >Assistive Technology Specialist >Student Disability Services >Division of Student Affairs >Oklahoma State University > >http://access.it.okstate.edu > >"Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, >delight to they who have listened." - Odin > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith >Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:35 AM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Berkowitz, Daniel >J >Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > >I've been using LecShare and love it. (www.lecshare.com) > >Doesn't Flash put the captions over the slide itself? (In other words, >your captioning may be covering part of the text of the slide.) There >was a presentation on PPT at the Higher Ground Conference....should be >on your CD if you purchased one. > >Stacy > >Quoting "Berkowitz, Daniel J" : > > > I'll echo Sean. I saw a demo of LecShare at Accessing Higher Ground > > and picked up a copy on the spot. Given the price it was worth getting > > > a copy to try out. I have used it to create accessible version of > > PPT's for many presentations - including this one: > > http://www.colorado.edu/atconference/etext_production.htm > > > > > > It's a good basic program that does what it promises. > > > > > > > > > > ========================= > > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > > Boston University Office of Disability Services > > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > > Boston, MA 02215 > > > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Sean Keegan > > Sent: Thu 2/8/2007 12:46 PM > > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > > > > > Hi Kevin, > > > > You may want to check out LecShare. Similar in concept (different in > > technical functionality), LecShare can take a PPT file and convert it > > to several different accessible formats. Their higher end product > > LecShare Pro can also support the addition of voice media to slides > > (and do some basic automated captioning). Site is: > > http://www.lecshare.com > > > > Take a look at the trial version - it is fully functioning and just > > embeds a LecShare watermark on each exported format so that you do not > > > use the trial version for prime time. Works for Macs and PCs, so that > > > is a nice feature. Currently it only works with PowerPoint files, so > > if you are looking for Word or Excel support, then it is the Office > > Export Wizard (aka Accessible Web Publishing Wizard). > > > > I have also had a number of faculty approach me regarding the use of > > Camtasia to deliver PPT content (obviously a more expensive solution). > > > The result is just a Flash video of the presentation with a voice-over > > > narration (this is somewhat similar to one of the exports of LecShare > > Pro also does). The current version of Camtasia also provides a tool > > for captioning the presentation. It does appear to have many > > customization options, but I am looking into this a bit more. > > Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but it is something > > that more faculty appear to be doing. > > > > Take care, > > Sean > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > > On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:10 AM > > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > > > > > There are a few who have been witness to my complaints about the > > University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's Office Export Wizard > > plug-in. I'm not going to get into that now (if anyone is interested, > > mail me for a sample tirade off-list), but I do need a good > > alternative to convert Powerpoint and other Office documents to an > > accessible HTML alternative. > > > > Up until 1.06, the Illinois tool was free and didn't nag or annoy, and > > > if anyone has that version, that would be helpful (I have lost my > > copy), otherwise, anyone have other recommendations? > > > > Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Student Disability Services > > Division of Student Affairs > > Oklahoma State University > > > > http://access.it.okstate.edu > > > > "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has > > understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > >Stacy Smith >Adaptive Technology Specialist >Disability Support Services >202 Holton Hall >Kansas State University >Manhattan, KS 66506 >Phone: 785-532-6441 >FAX: 785-532-6457 >Email: stacylee@ksu.edu > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient >or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you >are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and >that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action >based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If >you have received this communication in error, please notify us >immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From stacylee at ksu.edu Fri Feb 9 09:50:53 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] javascript help Message-ID: <1171043453.45ccb47d25863@webmail.ksu.edu> Hi all -- I'm looking for some basic information on javascript and accessibility. I'm going to be meeting with the interface designer of our learning managment system, and it would help to know what questions to ask. I know just a little bit about Java - just enough to know I don't know enough. Specifically, they are using the Javascript libraries maintained by Yahoo (anyone know anything about those and accessibility)? So, two questions: printed or internet javascript resources (like Javascript Accessibility for Dummies: all you need to know as a designer) and Any information on the Yahoo Javascript libraries. Thanks! Stacy Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist Disability Support Services 202 Holton Hall Kansas State University Manhattan, KS 66506 Phone: 785-532-6441 FAX: 785-532-6457 Email: stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. From jean.wells at csueastbay.edu Fri Feb 9 09:54:40 2007 From: jean.wells at csueastbay.edu (Jean Wells) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] CommonLook References: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DE37@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> <001801c74ba8$fff2f550$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E45B@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <1171031710.45cc869ed29f1@webmail.ksu.edu> <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DFFB@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> <7.0.1.0.0.20070209084039.01be9be0@humboldt.edu> <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9E08F@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> Message-ID: Anyone out there using or opinionated about CommonLook for making pdf's accessible? I need some pros and cons. Canadian company. http://www.commonlook.com/ Jean Jean Wells Assistive Technology Coordinator CSU East Bay 25800 Carlos Bee Blvd., LI 1121 Hayward, CA 94542 Phone: (510) 885-4366 Fax: 510-885-4365 From tft at u.washington.edu Fri Feb 9 08:51:10 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC In-Reply-To: <00cc01c74c61$86232f60$0a01a8c0@laptop> Message-ID: <200702091651.l19GpBbn008302@smtp.washington.edu> I've tried a variety of PowerPoint conversion tools, as well as alternatives to PowerPoint. Some of my experiments are documented here: http://staff.washington.edu/tft/talks/powerpoint/index.html I agree that LecShare is a good option. However, if it's free/open source you're after, I think the best strategy is for you to help promote and advance the standards-based alternatives to PowerPoint. Tools like W3C Slidy (and other W3C slide tools) and Eric Meyer's S5 allow you to produce slides as a single standards-based, cross-platform, well-structured, scalable, portable XHTML file; then apply CSS and Javascript to it in order to get the slideshow effect. As promising as this sounds, none of the standards-compliant slide presentations work well at this point with screen readers because of the way their Javascript hijacks user keystrokes for slide control. I think this is a solvable problem though, especially for someone with creativity, programming skills, and a strong interest (you still reading this, Kevin?) A larger problem is getting widespread acceptance among all the PowerPoint users on your campus. My son's in third grade and he's already being tought to use Microsoft PowerPoint. Some links: W3C Slide Tools: http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/ Eric Meyer's S5: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ I presented on this topic at Accessing Higher Ground, and will be doing so again at CSUN: PowerPoint & Friends: Accessible Slides on the Web Wed 3/21/07, 2:50-3:50pm Hilton-Carmel Terry Terry Thompson Technology Specialist, DO-IT University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 http://www.washington.edu/doit > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 7:47 AM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > PowerTalk (http://tinyurl.com/2xrkj4) is the only add on that > may help some folk listen to their PowerPoints that I know is > open source. I have given it to a student who was concerned > about their stammer but it does not solve your problem and I > was trying to look for my old Illinois download but I am > not sure it would work with the latest versions of Office. > I have always > exported my outlines to text format but am now including more > and more Flash screen animations and will have to explain these. > > Best Wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Assistive Technologist > Mobile: 07976 289103 > http://www.emptech.info/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:48 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > Thanks all, I'll give LecShare a try, but I'm still slightly > peeved that I'm going to have to find even more money > elsewhere just to be able to do this. > > I suppose it's the principle of the thing. > > Anyone know of any Open Source projects to accomplish this same thing? > I've asked before elsewhere, but as that was quite some time > ago, I had hopedthat someone else would have gotten to work > on a solution. > > Anyway, thanks all. > > Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA > Assistive Technology Specialist > Student Disability Services > Division of Student Affairs > Oklahoma State University > > http://access.it.okstate.edu > > "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has > understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:35 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; > Berkowitz, Daniel J > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > I've been using LecShare and love it. (www.lecshare.com) > > Doesn't Flash put the captions over the slide itself? (In > other words, your captioning may be covering part of the text > of the slide.) There was a presentation on PPT at the Higher > Ground Conference....should be on your CD if you purchased one. > > Stacy > > Quoting "Berkowitz, Daniel J" : > > > I'll echo Sean. I saw a demo of LecShare at Accessing Higher Ground > > and picked up a copy on the spot. Given the price it was > worth getting > > > a copy to try out. I have used it to create accessible version of > > PPT's for many presentations - including this one: > > http://www.colorado.edu/atconference/etext_production.htm > > > > > > It's a good basic program that does what it promises. > > > > > > > > > > ========================= > > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > > Boston University Office of Disability Services > > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > > Boston, MA 02215 > > > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Sean Keegan > > Sent: Thu 2/8/2007 12:46 PM > > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In > That's NOT UIUC > > > > > > Hi Kevin, > > > > You may want to check out LecShare. Similar in concept > (different in > > technical functionality), LecShare can take a PPT file and > convert it > > to several different accessible formats. Their higher end product > > LecShare Pro can also support the addition of voice media to slides > > (and do some basic automated captioning). Site is: > > http://www.lecshare.com > > > > Take a look at the trial version - it is fully functioning and just > > embeds a LecShare watermark on each exported format so that > you do not > > > use the trial version for prime time. Works for Macs and > PCs, so that > > > is a nice feature. Currently it only works with PowerPoint > files, so > > if you are looking for Word or Excel support, then it is the Office > > Export Wizard (aka Accessible Web Publishing Wizard). > > > > I have also had a number of faculty approach me regarding > the use of > > Camtasia to deliver PPT content (obviously a more expensive > solution). > > > The result is just a Flash video of the presentation with a > voice-over > > > narration (this is somewhat similar to one of the exports > of LecShare > > Pro also does). The current version of Camtasia also > provides a tool > > for captioning the presentation. It does appear to have many > > customization options, but I am looking into this a bit more. > > Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but it is something > > that more faculty appear to be doing. > > > > Take care, > > Sean > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > > On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:10 AM > > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > > > > > There are a few who have been witness to my complaints about the > > University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's Office Export Wizard > > plug-in. I'm not going to get into that now (if anyone is > interested, > > mail me for a sample tirade off-list), but I do need a good > > alternative to convert Powerpoint and other Office documents to an > > accessible HTML alternative. > > > > Up until 1.06, the Illinois tool was free and didn't nag or > annoy, and > > > if anyone has that version, that would be helpful (I have lost my > > copy), otherwise, anyone have other recommendations? > > > > Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Student Disability Services > > Division of Student Affairs > > Oklahoma State University > > > > http://access.it.okstate.edu > > > > "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has > > understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > Stacy Smith > Adaptive Technology Specialist > Disability Support Services > 202 Holton Hall > Kansas State University > Manhattan, KS 66506 > Phone: 785-532-6441 > FAX: 785-532-6457 > Email: stacylee@ksu.edu > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This information is confidential. 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If > you have received this communication in error, please notify > us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.32/677 - Release > Date: 08/02/2007 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.32/677 - Release > Date: 08/02/2007 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From stacylee at ksu.edu Fri Feb 9 10:03:18 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC In-Reply-To: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9E08F@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> References: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DE37@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu><001801c74ba8$fff2f550$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu><7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E45B@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><1171031710.45cc869ed29f1@webmail.ksu.edu><987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9DFFB@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> <7.0.1.0.0.20070209084039.01be9be0@humboldt.edu> <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9E08F@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <1171044198.45ccb7661aa10@webmail.ksu.edu> Thanks for sharing, Kevin. It's nice to hear people say what they really think. Just wanted to share that LecShare does have a number of site license options, and if you email them, I'm sure they'd be happy to tell you what they are :) (I keep talking it up around campus and showing it to instructors. Every time I show it to an instructor they get excited and jot down the info. One of our instructors is now trying to get her dept to purchase it.) Stacy Quoting "Sesock, Kevin A" : > I suppose there's no harm in sharing my thoughts about UIUC, since > I've > been pretty vocal about them before. I didn't want to start a flame > war, > but this list has been very mature in the past so I trust each of you > to > overlook my lack of maturity (I jest, I think). > > Here's the text of the message I sent to one of the listsers when he > asked me for the same. If you guys don't want to hear my rant, I > suppose > then this message should be immediately diverted to the trash. > > Thanks for putting up with my crap. > > > Quoth: > > The way that the community was misled was blatantly vile: I've pretty > much talked the topic to death, about how UIUC pretty much dangled a > carrot in front of the community, got people to do beta testing, then > started charging an outrageous price by many people's standards for a > tool that should be a basic feature of already expensive software > that > campuses have already had to spend nonexistent funds on. To top it > off, > the older (and significantly more free) versions of the software, > while > immature by the standards of the newer, are unsupported, unavailable, > and treated as though they don't even exist anymore. > > I'm a huge proponent of open source software: We've experienced > vendor > lock-in before, and it's come back to haunt us when a vendor decides > to > remove a feature that our environment finds vital, we have to > scramble > around to find an alternative or beg the vendor to reinstate it. In > effect, we end up having to mold our environment around the software > we > purchase, not mold the software into our environment. Open source > software is not only cheaper, it helps prevent this from happening to > us. > > Instead, what UIUC has done, as a public institution, is decided to > operate more off the profit model, thinking this is the only way that > development would ever get done. The open source model has shown, in > several circumstances, that this is not the only development method, > that people really are willing to take good products and make them > better without the need for profit, simply because it needs to be > done. > I know that if the Accessible Office Export Plug-In were open source, > I > would certainly be willing to help. > > We don't have an unlimited budget: UIUC seems to think that $39.95 is > cheap, but for an institution that produces a huge amount of office > documents that all need to be published accessibly, the cost goes up > when you think of the number of licenses that would need to be > bought. > I've had a hard enough time justifying the cost of legitimate > assistive > technology software that has a direct positive effect on students > educations. Justifying this is even more difficult. Add on to this > the > added cost of supporting yet another piece of software that has to > have > our rather rigid environment molded around it, and the actual > man-hours > associated with this, and we're talking about something that's just > plain unconscionable. > > There are other reasons why I think UIUC has done a Bad Thing(TM), > and > they mostly revolve around the lack of desire to understand these > issues > from our perspective, or the locked-in mentality they have that their > software development methodology is the only one that will work, but > understanding these are mostly dependent on understanding some of the > conversations that occurred on a few of the other lists I peruse that > also happened to contain the director responsible for the Office > Export > Wizard. > > That's it in a nutshell. Feel free to let me know your thoughts. > > > Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA > Assistive Technology Specialist > Student Disability Services > Division of Student Affairs > Oklahoma State University > > http://access.it.okstate.edu > > "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has > understood, > delight to they who have listened." - Odin > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On > Behalf Of Cassandra Tex > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:47 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > Greetings Kevin, > There are a handful of folks on our campus who have used LecShare > Pro. > We've liked the product and the price does seem reasonable. > > However, we're looking for a campus solution and are looking at all > of > our options. I'm interested in your experiences (sounds like they > weren't positive) with the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's > Office Export Wizard > plug-in. LecShare is only for PowerPoint presentations, where it > looks like the UIUC tool is for PowerPoint, Word, and Excel. The > additional option of creating accessible Excel worksheets is > desirable, > especially if we can get one tool that will serve many functions. > However, before jumping in, I would like to know why you don't like > this > tool. If you wouldn't mind sharing with me, I would appreciate it. > > Thanks. > Cassandra Tex > Assistive Technology Specialist > Humboldt State University > > At 06:47 AM 2/9/2007, you wrote: > >Thanks all, I'll give LecShare a try, but I'm still slightly peeved > that > >I'm going to have to find even more money elsewhere just to be able > to > >do this. > > > >I suppose it's the principle of the thing. > > > >Anyone know of any Open Source projects to accomplish this same > thing? > >I've asked before elsewhere, but as that was quite some time ago, I > had > >hopedthat someone else would have gotten to work on a solution. > > > >Anyway, thanks all. > > > >Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA > >Assistive Technology Specialist > >Student Disability Services > >Division of Student Affairs > >Oklahoma State University > > > >http://access.it.okstate.edu > > > >"Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has > understood, > >delight to they who have listened." - Odin > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On > >Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith > >Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:35 AM > >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Berkowitz, > Daniel > >J > >Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT > UIUC > > > >I've been using LecShare and love it. (www.lecshare.com) > > > >Doesn't Flash put the captions over the slide itself? (In other > words, > >your captioning may be covering part of the text of the slide.) > There > >was a presentation on PPT at the Higher Ground Conference....should > be > >on your CD if you purchased one. > > > >Stacy > > > >Quoting "Berkowitz, Daniel J" : > > > > > I'll echo Sean. I saw a demo of LecShare at Accessing Higher > Ground > > > and picked up a copy on the spot. Given the price it was worth > getting > > > > > a copy to try out. I have used it to create accessible version of > > > PPT's for many presentations - including this one: > > > http://www.colorado.edu/atconference/etext_production.htm > > > > > > > > > It's a good basic program that does what it promises. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================= > > > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > > > Boston University Office of Disability Services > > > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > > > Boston, MA 02215 > > > > > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > > > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > > > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Sean Keegan > > > Sent: Thu 2/8/2007 12:46 PM > > > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT > UIUC > > > > > > > > > Hi Kevin, > > > > > > You may want to check out LecShare. Similar in concept > (different > in > > > technical functionality), LecShare can take a PPT file and > convert > it > > > to several different accessible formats. Their higher end > product > > > LecShare Pro can also support the addition of voice media to > slides > > > (and do some basic automated captioning). Site is: > > > http://www.lecshare.com > > > > > > Take a look at the trial version - it is fully functioning and > just > > > embeds a LecShare watermark on each exported format so that you > do > not > > > > > use the trial version for prime time. Works for Macs and PCs, so > that > > > > > is a nice feature. Currently it only works with PowerPoint > files, > so > > > if you are looking for Word or Excel support, then it is the > Office > > > Export Wizard (aka Accessible Web Publishing Wizard). > > > > > > I have also had a number of faculty approach me regarding the use > of > > > Camtasia to deliver PPT content (obviously a more expensive > solution). > > > > > The result is just a Flash video of the presentation with a > voice-over > > > > > narration (this is somewhat similar to one of the exports of > LecShare > > > Pro also does). The current version of Camtasia also provides a > tool > > > for captioning the presentation. It does appear to have many > > > customization options, but I am looking into this a bit more. > > > Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but it is > something > > > that more faculty appear to be doing. > > > > > > Take care, > > > Sean > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > > > On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A > > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:10 AM > > > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > > Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > > > > > > > > There are a few who have been witness to my complaints about the > > > University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's Office Export Wizard > > > plug-in. I'm not going to get into that now (if anyone is > interested, > > > mail me for a sample tirade off-list), but I do need a good > > > alternative to convert Powerpoint and other Office documents to > an > > > accessible HTML alternative. > > > > > > Up until 1.06, the Illinois tool was free and didn't nag or > annoy, > and > > > > > if anyone has that version, that would be helpful (I have lost my > > > copy), otherwise, anyone have other recommendations? > > > > > > Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA > > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > > Student Disability Services > > > Division of Student Affairs > > > Oklahoma State University > > > > > > http://access.it.okstate.edu > > > > > > "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has > > > understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Athen mailing list > > > Athen@athenpro.org > > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > > > > > >Stacy Smith > >Adaptive Technology Specialist > >Disability Support Services > >202 Holton Hall > >Kansas State University > >Manhattan, KS 66506 > >Phone: 785-532-6441 > >FAX: 785-532-6457 > >Email: stacylee@ksu.edu > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >This information is confidential. 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Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba From cathk at cahs.colostate.edu Fri Feb 9 10:29:22 2007 From: cathk at cahs.colostate.edu (Kilcommons,Cath) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] javascript help In-Reply-To: <1171043453.45ccb47d25863@webmail.ksu.edu> References: <1171043453.45ccb47d25863@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: Hi Stacy, Have you seen http://www.webaim.org/techniques/javascript/summary.php? This article also makes some very good points: http://www.accessiblecontent.com/online/v1n2/index.php?view=toc. With the use of the libraries, I wonder if they are moving towards AJAX? John Foliot has compiled some really good references on AJAX at http://soap.stanford.edu/show.php?contentid=65. We always emphasize that the JS must degrade gracefully, and should be the icing on the cake. I also have a handout from one of our Professional Development Institute that I will try to get a copy of for you. Best, Cath -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:51 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] javascript help Hi all -- I'm looking for some basic information on javascript and accessibility. I'm going to be meeting with the interface designer of our learning managment system, and it would help to know what questions to ask. I know just a little bit about Java - just enough to know I don't know enough. Specifically, they are using the Javascript libraries maintained by Yahoo (anyone know anything about those and accessibility)? So, two questions: printed or internet javascript resources (like Javascript Accessibility for Dummies: all you need to know as a designer) and Any information on the Yahoo Javascript libraries. Thanks! 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From skeegan at htctu.net Fri Feb 9 11:03:17 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC In-Reply-To: <200702091651.l19GpBbn008302@smtp.washington.edu> References: <00cc01c74c61$86232f60$0a01a8c0@laptop> <200702091651.l19GpBbn008302@smtp.washington.edu> Message-ID: <001001c74c7c$f5d4ad00$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> > A larger problem is getting widespread acceptance > among all the PowerPoint users on your campus. This has actually been the biggest challenge with many I communicate with in our system with respect to changing the direction of publishing Web presentations on-line. A few are interested in the open-source/free tools (Meyer's S5 in particular), but the learning curve is not shallow (be careful not to delete one of those in the S5 code!) and PowerPoint does provide a user interface that makes it easy to work with content. I am not saying it is the *right* interface, just that it makes it easy for users. Unfortunately, I do not think the free tools are mature enough for the majority of users. You have basic control over the "look" of the presentation as well as reorganizing content, but certainly not to the degree that is available in PPT. Until someone at MS integrates an a true standards-compliant (and accessible) Web export option to PPT, I think we will be looking at purchasing different tools. Believe me, I am in support of the development of an open-source/free tool and I agree with Terry that it is a solvable problem, but it will have to compete with current PPT application functionality to really gain acceptance and utilization. Take care, Sean -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Terry Thompson Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:51 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC I've tried a variety of PowerPoint conversion tools, as well as alternatives to PowerPoint. Some of my experiments are documented here: http://staff.washington.edu/tft/talks/powerpoint/index.html I agree that LecShare is a good option. However, if it's free/open source you're after, I think the best strategy is for you to help promote and advance the standards-based alternatives to PowerPoint. Tools like W3C Slidy (and other W3C slide tools) and Eric Meyer's S5 allow you to produce slides as a single standards-based, cross-platform, well-structured, scalable, portable XHTML file; then apply CSS and Javascript to it in order to get the slideshow effect. As promising as this sounds, none of the standards-compliant slide presentations work well at this point with screen readers because of the way their Javascript hijacks user keystrokes for slide control. I think this is a solvable problem though, especially for someone with creativity, programming skills, and a strong interest (you still reading this, Kevin?) A larger problem is getting widespread acceptance among all the PowerPoint users on your campus. My son's in third grade and he's already being tought to use Microsoft PowerPoint. Some links: W3C Slide Tools: http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/ Eric Meyer's S5: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ I presented on this topic at Accessing Higher Ground, and will be doing so again at CSUN: PowerPoint & Friends: Accessible Slides on the Web Wed 3/21/07, 2:50-3:50pm Hilton-Carmel Terry Terry Thompson Technology Specialist, DO-IT University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 http://www.washington.edu/doit > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 7:47 AM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > PowerTalk (http://tinyurl.com/2xrkj4) is the only add on that > may help some folk listen to their PowerPoints that I know is > open source. I have given it to a student who was concerned > about their stammer but it does not solve your problem and I > was trying to look for my old Illinois download but I am > not sure it would work with the latest versions of Office. > I have always > exported my outlines to text format but am now including more > and more Flash screen animations and will have to explain these. > > Best Wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Assistive Technologist > Mobile: 07976 289103 > http://www.emptech.info/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:48 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > Thanks all, I'll give LecShare a try, but I'm still slightly > peeved that I'm going to have to find even more money > elsewhere just to be able to do this. > > I suppose it's the principle of the thing. > > Anyone know of any Open Source projects to accomplish this same thing? > I've asked before elsewhere, but as that was quite some time > ago, I had hopedthat someone else would have gotten to work > on a solution. > > Anyway, thanks all. > > Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA > Assistive Technology Specialist > Student Disability Services > Division of Student Affairs > Oklahoma State University > > http://access.it.okstate.edu > > "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has > understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:35 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; > Berkowitz, Daniel J > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > I've been using LecShare and love it. (www.lecshare.com) > > Doesn't Flash put the captions over the slide itself? (In > other words, your captioning may be covering part of the text > of the slide.) There was a presentation on PPT at the Higher > Ground Conference....should be on your CD if you purchased one. > > Stacy > > Quoting "Berkowitz, Daniel J" : > > > I'll echo Sean. I saw a demo of LecShare at Accessing Higher Ground > > and picked up a copy on the spot. Given the price it was > worth getting > > > a copy to try out. I have used it to create accessible version of > > PPT's for many presentations - including this one: > > http://www.colorado.edu/atconference/etext_production.htm > > > > > > It's a good basic program that does what it promises. > > > > > > > > > > ========================= > > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > > Boston University Office of Disability Services > > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > > Boston, MA 02215 > > > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Sean Keegan > > Sent: Thu 2/8/2007 12:46 PM > > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In > That's NOT UIUC > > > > > > Hi Kevin, > > > > You may want to check out LecShare. Similar in concept > (different in > > technical functionality), LecShare can take a PPT file and > convert it > > to several different accessible formats. Their higher end product > > LecShare Pro can also support the addition of voice media to slides > > (and do some basic automated captioning). Site is: > > http://www.lecshare.com > > > > Take a look at the trial version - it is fully functioning and just > > embeds a LecShare watermark on each exported format so that > you do not > > > use the trial version for prime time. Works for Macs and > PCs, so that > > > is a nice feature. Currently it only works with PowerPoint > files, so > > if you are looking for Word or Excel support, then it is the Office > > Export Wizard (aka Accessible Web Publishing Wizard). > > > > I have also had a number of faculty approach me regarding > the use of > > Camtasia to deliver PPT content (obviously a more expensive > solution). > > > The result is just a Flash video of the presentation with a > voice-over > > > narration (this is somewhat similar to one of the exports > of LecShare > > Pro also does). The current version of Camtasia also > provides a tool > > for captioning the presentation. It does appear to have many > > customization options, but I am looking into this a bit more. > > Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but it is something > > that more faculty appear to be doing. > > > > Take care, > > Sean > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > > On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:10 AM > > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > > > > > There are a few who have been witness to my complaints about the > > University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's Office Export Wizard > > plug-in. I'm not going to get into that now (if anyone is > interested, > > mail me for a sample tirade off-list), but I do need a good > > alternative to convert Powerpoint and other Office documents to an > > accessible HTML alternative. > > > > Up until 1.06, the Illinois tool was free and didn't nag or > annoy, and > > > if anyone has that version, that would be helpful (I have lost my > > copy), otherwise, anyone have other recommendations? > > > > Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Student Disability Services > > Division of Student Affairs > > Oklahoma State University > > > > http://access.it.okstate.edu > > > > "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has > > understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > Stacy Smith > Adaptive Technology Specialist > Disability Support Services > 202 Holton Hall > Kansas State University > Manhattan, KS 66506 > Phone: 785-532-6441 > FAX: 785-532-6457 > Email: stacylee@ksu.edu > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This information is confidential. If you are not the intended > recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have > received this document in error and that any review, > dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action based on > the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If > you have received this communication in error, please notify > us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.32/677 - Release > Date: 08/02/2007 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.32/677 - Release > Date: 08/02/2007 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From djbrky at bu.edu Fri Feb 9 11:29:14 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC In-Reply-To: <001001c74c7c$f5d4ad00$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116ED7C22@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> This may seem obvious -- or off topic -- but what about simply saving the PPT documents as PDF's before throwing them up on Bb sites? ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Sean Keegan >Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:03 PM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > >> A larger problem is getting widespread acceptance >> among all the PowerPoint users on your campus. > >This has actually been the biggest challenge with many I communicate with >in >our system with respect to changing the direction of publishing Web >presentations on-line. A few are interested in the open-source/free tools >(Meyer's S5 in particular), but the learning curve is not shallow (be >careful not to delete one of those in the S5 code!) and PowerPoint >does provide a user interface that makes it easy to work with content. I >am >not saying it is the *right* interface, just that it makes it easy for >users. > >Unfortunately, I do not think the free tools are mature enough for the >majority of users. You have basic control over the "look" of the >presentation as well as reorganizing content, but certainly not to the >degree that is available in PPT. Until someone at MS integrates an a true >standards-compliant (and accessible) Web export option to PPT, I think we >will be looking at purchasing different tools. Believe me, I am in support >of the development of an open-source/free tool and I agree with Terry that >it is a solvable problem, but it will have to compete with current PPT >application functionality to really gain acceptance and utilization. > >Take care, >Sean > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Terry Thompson >Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:51 AM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > >I've tried a variety of PowerPoint conversion tools, as well as >alternatives >to PowerPoint. Some of my experiments are documented here: > >http://staff.washington.edu/tft/talks/powerpoint/index.html > >I agree that LecShare is a good option. However, if it's free/open source >you're after, I think the best strategy is for you to help promote and >advance the standards-based alternatives to PowerPoint. Tools like W3C >Slidy >(and other W3C slide tools) and Eric Meyer's S5 allow you to produce slides >as a single standards-based, cross-platform, well-structured, scalable, >portable XHTML file; then apply CSS and Javascript to it in order to get >the >slideshow effect. > >As promising as this sounds, none of the standards-compliant slide >presentations work well at this point with screen readers because of the >way >their Javascript hijacks user keystrokes for slide control. I think this is >a solvable problem though, especially for someone with creativity, >programming skills, and a strong interest (you still reading this, Kevin?) >A >larger problem is getting widespread acceptance among all the PowerPoint >users on your campus. My son's in third grade and he's already being tought >to use Microsoft PowerPoint. > >Some links: > >W3C Slide Tools: >http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/ > >Eric Meyer's S5: >http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ > >I presented on this topic at Accessing Higher Ground, and will be doing so >again at CSUN: > >PowerPoint & Friends: Accessible Slides on the Web Wed 3/21/07, 2:50-3:50pm >Hilton-Carmel > >Terry > >Terry Thompson >Technology Specialist, DO-IT >University of Washington >tft@u.washington.edu >206/221-4168 >http://www.washington.edu/doit > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >> [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan >> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 7:47 AM >> To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC >> >> PowerTalk (http://tinyurl.com/2xrkj4) is the only add on that >> may help some folk listen to their PowerPoints that I know is >> open source. I have given it to a student who was concerned >> about their stammer but it does not solve your problem and I >> was trying to look for my old Illinois download but I am >> not sure it would work with the latest versions of Office. >> I have always >> exported my outlines to text format but am now including more >> and more Flash screen animations and will have to explain these. >> >> Best Wishes E.A. >> >> Mrs E.A. Draffan >> Assistive Technologist >> Mobile: 07976 289103 >> http://www.emptech.info/ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >> [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A >> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:48 PM >> To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC >> >> Thanks all, I'll give LecShare a try, but I'm still slightly >> peeved that I'm going to have to find even more money >> elsewhere just to be able to do this. >> >> I suppose it's the principle of the thing. >> >> Anyone know of any Open Source projects to accomplish this same thing? >> I've asked before elsewhere, but as that was quite some time >> ago, I had hopedthat someone else would have gotten to work >> on a solution. >> >> Anyway, thanks all. >> >> Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA >> Assistive Technology Specialist >> Student Disability Services >> Division of Student Affairs >> Oklahoma State University >> >> http://access.it.okstate.edu >> >> "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has >> understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >> [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith >> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:35 AM >> To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; >> Berkowitz, Daniel J >> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC >> >> I've been using LecShare and love it. (www.lecshare.com) >> >> Doesn't Flash put the captions over the slide itself? (In >> other words, your captioning may be covering part of the text >> of the slide.) There was a presentation on PPT at the Higher >> Ground Conference....should be on your CD if you purchased one. >> >> Stacy >> >> Quoting "Berkowitz, Daniel J" : >> >> > I'll echo Sean. I saw a demo of LecShare at Accessing Higher Ground >> > and picked up a copy on the spot. Given the price it was >> worth getting >> >> > a copy to try out. I have used it to create accessible version of >> > PPT's for many presentations - including this one: >> > http://www.colorado.edu/atconference/etext_production.htm >> > >> > >> > It's a good basic program that does what it promises. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ========================= >> > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director >> > Boston University Office of Disability Services >> > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor >> > Boston, MA 02215 >> > >> > (617) 353-3658 (office) >> > (617) 353-9646 (fax) >> > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Sean Keegan >> > Sent: Thu 2/8/2007 12:46 PM >> > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >> > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In >> That's NOT UIUC >> > >> > >> > Hi Kevin, >> > >> > You may want to check out LecShare. Similar in concept >> (different in >> > technical functionality), LecShare can take a PPT file and >> convert it >> > to several different accessible formats. Their higher end product >> > LecShare Pro can also support the addition of voice media to slides >> > (and do some basic automated captioning). Site is: >> > http://www.lecshare.com >> > >> > Take a look at the trial version - it is fully functioning and just >> > embeds a LecShare watermark on each exported format so that >> you do not >> >> > use the trial version for prime time. Works for Macs and >> PCs, so that >> >> > is a nice feature. Currently it only works with PowerPoint >> files, so >> > if you are looking for Word or Excel support, then it is the Office >> > Export Wizard (aka Accessible Web Publishing Wizard). >> > >> > I have also had a number of faculty approach me regarding >> the use of >> > Camtasia to deliver PPT content (obviously a more expensive >> solution). >> >> > The result is just a Flash video of the presentation with a >> voice-over >> >> > narration (this is somewhat similar to one of the exports >> of LecShare >> > Pro also does). The current version of Camtasia also >> provides a tool >> > for captioning the presentation. It does appear to have many >> > customization options, but I am looking into this a bit more. >> > Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but it is something >> > that more faculty appear to be doing. >> > >> > Take care, >> > Sean >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] >> > On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A >> > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:10 AM >> > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >> > Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC >> > >> > >> > There are a few who have been witness to my complaints about the >> > University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's Office Export Wizard >> > plug-in. I'm not going to get into that now (if anyone is >> interested, >> > mail me for a sample tirade off-list), but I do need a good >> > alternative to convert Powerpoint and other Office documents to an >> > accessible HTML alternative. >> > >> > Up until 1.06, the Illinois tool was free and didn't nag or >> annoy, and >> >> > if anyone has that version, that would be helpful (I have lost my >> > copy), otherwise, anyone have other recommendations? >> > >> > Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA >> > Assistive Technology Specialist >> > Student Disability Services >> > Division of Student Affairs >> > Oklahoma State University >> > >> > http://access.it.okstate.edu >> > >> > "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has >> > understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Athen mailing list >> > Athen@athenpro.org >> > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> > >> > >> >> >> Stacy Smith >> Adaptive Technology Specialist >> Disability Support Services >> 202 Holton Hall >> Kansas State University >> Manhattan, KS 66506 >> Phone: 785-532-6441 >> FAX: 785-532-6457 >> Email: stacylee@ksu.edu >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> This information is confidential. If you are not the intended >> recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the >> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have >> received this document in error and that any review, >> dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action based on >> the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If >> you have received this communication in error, please notify >> us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.32/677 - Release >> Date: 08/02/2007 >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.32/677 - Release >> Date: 08/02/2007 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Fri Feb 9 12:50:16 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC In-Reply-To: <001001c74c7c$f5d4ad00$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <00cc01c74c61$86232f60$0a01a8c0@laptop> <200702091651.l19GpBbn008302@smtp.washington.edu> <001001c74c7c$f5d4ad00$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <00b701c74c8b$ecc99ef0$c65cdcd0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Interesting and timely conversation, I just had a meeting with a group that is looking at developing a DAISY like tool for PPT like content. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:03 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > A larger problem is getting widespread acceptance > among all the PowerPoint users on your campus. This has actually been the biggest challenge with many I communicate with in our system with respect to changing the direction of publishing Web presentations on-line. A few are interested in the open-source/free tools (Meyer's S5 in particular), but the learning curve is not shallow (be careful not to delete one of those in the S5 code!) and PowerPoint does provide a user interface that makes it easy to work with content. I am not saying it is the *right* interface, just that it makes it easy for users. Unfortunately, I do not think the free tools are mature enough for the majority of users. You have basic control over the "look" of the presentation as well as reorganizing content, but certainly not to the degree that is available in PPT. Until someone at MS integrates an a true standards-compliant (and accessible) Web export option to PPT, I think we will be looking at purchasing different tools. Believe me, I am in support of the development of an open-source/free tool and I agree with Terry that it is a solvable problem, but it will have to compete with current PPT application functionality to really gain acceptance and utilization. Take care, Sean -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Terry Thompson Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:51 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC I've tried a variety of PowerPoint conversion tools, as well as alternatives to PowerPoint. Some of my experiments are documented here: http://staff.washington.edu/tft/talks/powerpoint/index.html I agree that LecShare is a good option. However, if it's free/open source you're after, I think the best strategy is for you to help promote and advance the standards-based alternatives to PowerPoint. Tools like W3C Slidy (and other W3C slide tools) and Eric Meyer's S5 allow you to produce slides as a single standards-based, cross-platform, well-structured, scalable, portable XHTML file; then apply CSS and Javascript to it in order to get the slideshow effect. As promising as this sounds, none of the standards-compliant slide presentations work well at this point with screen readers because of the way their Javascript hijacks user keystrokes for slide control. I think this is a solvable problem though, especially for someone with creativity, programming skills, and a strong interest (you still reading this, Kevin?) A larger problem is getting widespread acceptance among all the PowerPoint users on your campus. My son's in third grade and he's already being tought to use Microsoft PowerPoint. Some links: W3C Slide Tools: http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/ Eric Meyer's S5: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ I presented on this topic at Accessing Higher Ground, and will be doing so again at CSUN: PowerPoint & Friends: Accessible Slides on the Web Wed 3/21/07, 2:50-3:50pm Hilton-Carmel Terry Terry Thompson Technology Specialist, DO-IT University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 http://www.washington.edu/doit > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 7:47 AM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > PowerTalk (http://tinyurl.com/2xrkj4) is the only add on that > may help some folk listen to their PowerPoints that I know is > open source. I have given it to a student who was concerned > about their stammer but it does not solve your problem and I > was trying to look for my old Illinois download but I am > not sure it would work with the latest versions of Office. > I have always > exported my outlines to text format but am now including more > and more Flash screen animations and will have to explain these. > > Best Wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Assistive Technologist > Mobile: 07976 289103 > http://www.emptech.info/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:48 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > Thanks all, I'll give LecShare a try, but I'm still slightly > peeved that I'm going to have to find even more money > elsewhere just to be able to do this. > > I suppose it's the principle of the thing. > > Anyone know of any Open Source projects to accomplish this same thing? > I've asked before elsewhere, but as that was quite some time > ago, I had hopedthat someone else would have gotten to work > on a solution. > > Anyway, thanks all. > > Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA > Assistive Technology Specialist > Student Disability Services > Division of Student Affairs > Oklahoma State University > > http://access.it.okstate.edu > > "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has > understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:35 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; > Berkowitz, Daniel J > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > I've been using LecShare and love it. (www.lecshare.com) > > Doesn't Flash put the captions over the slide itself? (In > other words, your captioning may be covering part of the text > of the slide.) There was a presentation on PPT at the Higher > Ground Conference....should be on your CD if you purchased one. > > Stacy > > Quoting "Berkowitz, Daniel J" : > > > I'll echo Sean. I saw a demo of LecShare at Accessing Higher Ground > > and picked up a copy on the spot. Given the price it was > worth getting > > > a copy to try out. I have used it to create accessible version of > > PPT's for many presentations - including this one: > > http://www.colorado.edu/atconference/etext_production.htm > > > > > > It's a good basic program that does what it promises. > > > > > > > > > > ========================= > > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > > Boston University Office of Disability Services > > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > > Boston, MA 02215 > > > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Sean Keegan > > Sent: Thu 2/8/2007 12:46 PM > > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In > That's NOT UIUC > > > > > > Hi Kevin, > > > > You may want to check out LecShare. Similar in concept > (different in > > technical functionality), LecShare can take a PPT file and > convert it > > to several different accessible formats. Their higher end product > > LecShare Pro can also support the addition of voice media to slides > > (and do some basic automated captioning). Site is: > > http://www.lecshare.com > > > > Take a look at the trial version - it is fully functioning and just > > embeds a LecShare watermark on each exported format so that > you do not > > > use the trial version for prime time. Works for Macs and > PCs, so that > > > is a nice feature. Currently it only works with PowerPoint > files, so > > if you are looking for Word or Excel support, then it is the Office > > Export Wizard (aka Accessible Web Publishing Wizard). > > > > I have also had a number of faculty approach me regarding > the use of > > Camtasia to deliver PPT content (obviously a more expensive > solution). > > > The result is just a Flash video of the presentation with a > voice-over > > > narration (this is somewhat similar to one of the exports > of LecShare > > Pro also does). The current version of Camtasia also > provides a tool > > for captioning the presentation. It does appear to have many > > customization options, but I am looking into this a bit more. > > Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but it is something > > that more faculty appear to be doing. > > > > Take care, > > Sean > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > > On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:10 AM > > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > > > > > There are a few who have been witness to my complaints about the > > University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's Office Export Wizard > > plug-in. I'm not going to get into that now (if anyone is > interested, > > mail me for a sample tirade off-list), but I do need a good > > alternative to convert Powerpoint and other Office documents to an > > accessible HTML alternative. > > > > Up until 1.06, the Illinois tool was free and didn't nag or > annoy, and > > > if anyone has that version, that would be helpful (I have lost my > > copy), otherwise, anyone have other recommendations? > > > > Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Student Disability Services > > Division of Student Affairs > > Oklahoma State University > > > > http://access.it.okstate.edu > > > > "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has > > understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > Stacy Smith > Adaptive Technology Specialist > Disability Support Services > 202 Holton Hall > Kansas State University > Manhattan, KS 66506 > Phone: 785-532-6441 > FAX: 785-532-6457 > Email: stacylee@ksu.edu > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This information is confidential. If you are not the intended > recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have > received this document in error and that any review, > dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action based on > the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If > you have received this communication in error, please notify > us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.32/677 - Release > Date: 08/02/2007 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.32/677 - Release > Date: 08/02/2007 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From jfoliot at stanford.edu Fri Feb 9 12:52:33 2007 From: jfoliot at stanford.edu (John Foliot - Stanford Online Accessibility Program) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] javascript help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004c01c74c8c$3bfa72b0$5a8e40ab@Piglet> Kilcommons,Cath wrote: > Hi Stacy, > Have you seen http://www.webaim.org/techniques/javascript/summary.php? > This article also makes some very good points: > http://www.accessiblecontent.com/online/v1n2/index.php?view=toc. > With the use of the libraries, I wonder if they are moving towards > AJAX? John Foliot has compiled some really good references on AJAX at > http://soap.stanford.edu/show.php?contentid=65. > We always emphasize that the JS must degrade gracefully, and should > be the icing on the cake. I also have a handout from one of our > Professional Development Institute that I will try to get a copy of > for you. I can also add that for the most part the Yahoo! JavaScript libraries [http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/] are "pretty good". I know and meet with the accessibility folks there on a semi-regular basis, and they test all of their scripts for access issues prior to releasing them for public consumption. As always, your mileage may vary, and not every JS function will be 100% accessible, but Yahoo! have a strong commitment to accessible development, and accessibility in general ( watch for some new Yahoo! Messenger avatars to be released later this month). Done properly (i.e."progressive enhancement") you should be in pretty good shape. If you are interested I can connect you with their team - contact me off list and I will make the introductions. Cheers! JF --- John Foliot Academic Technology Consultant Stanford Online Accessibility Program http://soap.stanford.edu Stanford University 560 Escondido Mall Meyer Library 181 Stanford, CA 94305-3093 Tel: 650-862-4603 From skeegan at htctu.net Fri Feb 9 13:52:15 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] javascript help In-Reply-To: <004c01c74c8c$3bfa72b0$5a8e40ab@Piglet> References: <004c01c74c8c$3bfa72b0$5a8e40ab@Piglet> Message-ID: <001801c74c94$90a4f8f0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> > I can also add that for the most part the Yahoo! JavaScript libraries > [http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/] are "pretty good". Some of these widgets were demonstrated at the CSUN conference last year, however, I believe the design team said the support was limited to Window-Eyes and Firefox. Any update on this (I have not had a chance to try it myself)? Take care, Sean From skeegan at htctu.net Fri Feb 9 14:20:22 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116ED7C22@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <001001c74c7c$f5d4ad00$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116ED7C22@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <002101c74c98$7e1c1ca0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> > This may seem obvious -- or off topic -- but what about simply > saving the PPT documents as PDF's before throwing them up on Bb sites? Actually, not really off-topic. For awhile, that was one of the only ways to get a PPT presentation into a format that could be somewhat usable for an individual using assistive computer technology (barring use of the old PowerPoint Accessibility Wizard). I do know some who still use that conversion process, but with the advent of better conversion utilities it is not something I recommend as a first (or even second) option. At the very least, you still need to have a copy of Adobe Acrobat Standard or Professional to create the tagged-PDF, which can cost about the same amount as either the Accessible Web Publishing Wizard or LecShare/LecShare Pro. Also, while Acrobat has gotten better with some assistive technologies, for ease of use and overall reliability, I think HTML-based content has the edge. Besides, if you do not have Adobe Reader installed, you are looking at a 20+ MB download for Reader 8. Ideally, when creating such presentations and delivering the content via the Web, you could deliver the presentation in several different formats. I still think an HTML-based option works best for the current generation of assistive computer technologies. I am hopeful that an export application will be developed that allows for the simple generation of a variety of accessible formats that can all be posted to the Web page and give users a choice as to which to utilize (e.g., PPT, DAISY, HTML, Video-based, etc.) Take care, Sean From tft at u.washington.edu Fri Feb 9 14:30:05 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] javascript help In-Reply-To: <001801c74c94$90a4f8f0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <200702092230.l19MU6Pj005196@smtp.washington.edu> I'd say that statement about support being limited to Window-Eyes and Fireox is generally accurate, Sean, but maybe not entirely - I think it depends on the widget. Todd Kloots of Yahoo! joined Doug Geoffray of GW Micro (developer of Window-Eyes) in a presentation at the recent Web Accessibility Capacity Building Institute in Seattle. Interested folks should look over their presentation materials. The proceedings are here: http://www.washington.edu/doit/cbi/webaccess/proceedings.html And slides and examples from Todd's and Doug's presentation can be found on this Resources page: http://www.washington.edu/doit/cbi/webaccess/resources.html Coincidentally (given the earlier discussion on this list today about PowerPoint options), note that Todd's and Doug's slides are available in three formats: original Powerpoint, XHTML (LecShare), and PDF (as Dan Berkowitz suggested). Maybe the answer to this morning's question is: *provide choices*. Terry Terry Thompson Technology Specialist, DO-IT University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 http://www.washington.edu/doit > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 1:52 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] javascript help > > > I can also add that for the most part the Yahoo! > JavaScript libraries > [http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/] are > "pretty good". > > Some of these widgets were demonstrated at the CSUN > conference last year, however, I believe the design team said > the support was limited to Window-Eyes and Firefox. Any > update on this (I have not had a chance to try it myself)? > > Take care, > Sean > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From cathk at cahs.colostate.edu Fri Feb 9 14:57:29 2007 From: cathk at cahs.colostate.edu (Kilcommons,Cath) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116ED7C22@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <001001c74c7c$f5d4ad00$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116ED7C22@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: > This may seem obvious -- or off topic -- but what about simply saving > the PPT documents as PDF's before throwing them up on Bb sites? I'd say not off-topic and not obvious either. First, for someone like me who is paper-impaired when it comes to notetaking, I can't take that PDF and take notes on it using my laptop. If it is posted as a ppt, I can create the outline version, I can create a Word doc, or various options. PPT may be proprietary, but open source software like OpenOffice and Neo Office also offer me the ability to open PPT. So, even if ppt is not a great option, it does offer flexibility. Also, if the content is visible in the outline tab of the Normal view in PPT, then a screen reader can read it. Second, (the biggest drawback I think), is that when converted to PDF, you cannot retain the speaker notes used in PPT presentations, so you cannot use the notes to supplement graphic descriptions, or to "fill in the blanks" if you are one of those faculty who feels the need to leave holes in their presentations so that the student will come to lecture. Using PPT > Send to Word, using the " Notes next to slides" options, then you get a document that has the notes and has the slide content in text and resizable graphics, but the files are huge. This becomes a fully accessible Word, that could be used on someone's laptop so they could take notes. Now if you turn that to PDF, you get back down to a reasonable file size, but I still can't take notes in it. This is something I've been working on looking into best practices, and here are some file size figures for one presentation put through many paces: PPT = 786Kb PPTConvert to Adobe PDF= 277Kb but no notes content. PPT >send to word with Notes = 4,236Kb PPT compressed =657Kb (this is a picture format option in PPT) PPT compressed >send to word with Notes = 4,236Kb PPT compressed >send to word with Notes using Links to slides = 3,522Kb PPT compressed >send to word with Notes using Links to slides THEN Convert to Adobe PDF = 743Kb (Tags are on table generated by Word) The same file originally done in S5 format = 521Kb with 495Kb in images. If people have not looked over Terry's treatment of the subject,I thought this was one of the most completely considered presentations I have ever seen on the topic, and I would recommend it to all. http://staff.washington.edu/tft/talks/powerpoint/index.html Best, Cath From djbrky at bu.edu Fri Feb 9 15:35:59 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC References: <001001c74c7c$f5d4ad00$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu><7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116ED7C22@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E464@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> But Cath, A properly tagged PPT exported to PDF can be saved as Text using Acrobat Reader 7.0. It isn't pretty but it can be done. (Not sure where I was going with that -- just thought I'd throw it in to the conversation). Speaking of OO (or getting back to OO) - the recently announcement about the Plug-In that started this whole conversation makes me want to comment on what is to me a significant step backwards in the new MS-Office 2007. The Beta version had a direct "Save As" to PDF. It was quite nice to have this option at your fingertips. This has disappeared in the 60-day trial version available on line. Next week one of my staff will be attending a full day MS developers forum and bringing back a full copy of Office 2007 and we will take a look-see. In the meantime, Open Office has always had the ability to export as PDF without the need for Acrobat. Though I have found myself becoming addicted to Office 2007 - I have come to realize it is because of the interface (I rather like it) - I have been assured by a friend of mine who knows such things that the OO interface can be skinned to look like MS-Office 2007. ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Kilcommons,Cath Sent: Fri 2/9/2007 5:57 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > This may seem obvious -- or off topic -- but what about simply saving > the PPT documents as PDF's before throwing them up on Bb sites? I'd say not off-topic and not obvious either. First, for someone like me who is paper-impaired when it comes to notetaking, I can't take that PDF and take notes on it using my laptop. If it is posted as a ppt, I can create the outline version, I can create a Word doc, or various options. PPT may be proprietary, but open source software like OpenOffice and Neo Office also offer me the ability to open PPT. So, even if ppt is not a great option, it does offer flexibility. Also, if the content is visible in the outline tab of the Normal view in PPT, then a screen reader can read it. Second, (the biggest drawback I think), is that when converted to PDF, you cannot retain the speaker notes used in PPT presentations, so you cannot use the notes to supplement graphic descriptions, or to "fill in the blanks" if you are one of those faculty who feels the need to leave holes in their presentations so that the student will come to lecture. Using PPT > Send to Word, using the " Notes next to slides" options, then you get a document that has the notes and has the slide content in text and resizable graphics, but the files are huge. This becomes a fully accessible Word, that could be used on someone's laptop so they could take notes. Now if you turn that to PDF, you get back down to a reasonable file size, but I still can't take notes in it. This is something I've been working on looking into best practices, and here are some file size figures for one presentation put through many paces: PPT = 786Kb PPTConvert to Adobe PDF= 277Kb but no notes content. PPT >send to word with Notes = 4,236Kb PPT compressed =657Kb (this is a picture format option in PPT) PPT compressed >send to word with Notes = 4,236Kb PPT compressed >send to word with Notes using Links to slides = 3,522Kb PPT compressed >send to word with Notes using Links to slides THEN Convert to Adobe PDF = 743Kb (Tags are on table generated by Word) The same file originally done in S5 format = 521Kb with 495Kb in images. If people have not looked over Terry's treatment of the subject,I thought this was one of the most completely considered presentations I have ever seen on the topic, and I would recommend it to all. http://staff.washington.edu/tft/talks/powerpoint/index.html Best, Cath _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They had legal problems with Adobe back in June 2006, and pulled it out of the "boxed product." It is supposed to tag and handle TOC, Bookmarks etc. See http://blogs.msdn.com/cyndy_wessling/archive/2005/10/08/478419.aspx and http://blogs.msdn.com/brian_jones/archive/2006/06/16/634302.aspx. I have not yet tried it, but hope to soon. Regards, Cath -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at htctu.net Fri Feb 9 16:16:41 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Knowbility is pleased to announce Access U 2007 Message-ID: <004001c74ca8$bda4cf60$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Athen members in Texas, If you have the opportunity and interest to attend an Access U event, you may want to check this out at St. Edwards University in Austin, TX. Knowbility does a good job and the speakers are generally top notch. See below for more information... 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The current Class Schedule is subject to change. Registrants will be notified via email when Class Registration opens. Early Bird Registration Fee $525.00 - deadline March 1st, 2007 After March 1st - Conference Registration Fee $595.00 Refund Policy: * Refund until May 1st: $475 * No Refund after May 1st. For detailed conference information please visit : http://www.knowbility.org/conference/ For more information contact Teenya Franklin Office: (512) 305-0311 or teenya@knowbility.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djbrky at bu.edu Fri Feb 9 17:49:02 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft 2007 Office Add-in: Microsoft save as PDF. References: <001001c74c7c$f5d4ad00$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu><7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116ED7C22@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E464@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E466@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> I am going to wait until I have the full version of Office 2007 loaded onto my machine before committing to an add-in of any sort. As for advances in OO -- I have a feeling that with Vista basically flopping and most people uninterested in upping to Office 2007 that OO will start to fill a widening void. ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Kilcommons,Cath Sent: Fri 2/9/2007 7:12 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft 2007 Office Add-in: Microsoft save as PDF. But Dann, if only OpenOffice had an outline view....sigh! I have never tried its PDF capabilities - does it tag and retain true columns when it writes to PDF? I would guess it should. Regarding the Microsoft add-in PDF version, they offer it as a free download: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=F1FC413C-6D89-4F15-991B-63B07BA5F2E5&displaylang=en . They had legal problems with Adobe back in June 2006, and pulled it out of the "boxed product." It is supposed to tag and handle TOC, Bookmarks etc. See http://blogs.msdn.com/cyndy_wessling/archive/2005/10/08/478419.aspx and http://blogs.msdn.com/brian_jones/archive/2006/06/16/634302.aspx. I have not yet tried it, but hope to soon. Regards, Cath -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is not perfect tool, but it can help make creating accessible html versions of office document much easier. If more people purchase the UIUC Wizard or other tools like LecShare the more features these tools will be able to offer to make Microsoft Office content accessible to people with disabilities. We would be happy to talk to you about your needs and if the Wizard would be helpful in fulfilling your accessibility goals. http://www.accessiblewizards.uiuc.edu Just a note about where wizard revenue goes: 85% of the money from Wizard revenue goes directly to improvements in the Wizard and the other 15% goes back to support the university. Remember the university pays for our utilities and facilities we work in and the business operations that pay us and collect payments. The university does not make a profit on the sales of the software and is currently supplementing the development costs of the Wizard. Comments on Open Source: Our colleague from Oklahoma State apparently believes that any software that is open source automatically has a stable of programmers waiting to develop it, enhance it and support it. Very few open source projects receive very much attention, just look at the number of inactive projects in SourceForge. Working in the Office environment is very difficult and often frustrating from a development perspective. So if the disability community feels that Office needs tools to make it more accessible I urge people to invest in products like LecShare and the Illinois Accessible Web Publishing Wizard to create a market for the tools or actively lobby Microsoft to include them. If I felt an open source model would lead to future enhancements of the UIUC Wizard I would do it. But if we made it open source the University of Illinois would probably stop its development due to lack of resources. For those people who are interested in free things we do have two other free tools and services from UIUC: Mozilla/Firefox Accessibility Extension http://firefox.cita.uiuc.edu Functional Web Accessibility Evaluator http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu Visual Impairment Simulator for Windows http://vis.cita.uiuc.edu P.S. I am interested learning more about the free open source software accessibility tools available from Oklahoma State. Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. Director of IT Accessibility Services Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES) and Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology Disability Resources and Education Services (DRES) Voice: (217) 244-5870 Fax: (217) 333-0248 Cell: (217) 714-6313 E-mail: jongund@uiuc.edu WWW: http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/ WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/ From saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu Sat Feb 10 12:29:40 2007 From: saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu (Saroj Primlani) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 13, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4749.24.136.240.97.1171139380.squirrel@webmail.ncsu.edu> While S5 is great way to create a presentation on the web it is not really accessible with Jaws as all the keystrokes needed to move the presentation forward are defined by Jaws to perform dfferent functions. I learnt that the hard way Saroj Send Athen mailing list submissions to > athen@athenpro.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-request@athenpro.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-owner@athenpro.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC (Ron Stewart) > 2. Re: javascript help > (John Foliot - Stanford Online Accessibility Program) > 3. Re: javascript help (Sean Keegan) > 4. Re: Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC (Sean Keegan) > 5. Re: javascript help (Terry Thompson) > 6. Re: Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > (Kilcommons,Cath) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:50:16 -0500 > From: "Ron Stewart" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > To: , "'Access Technologists in Higher Education > Network'" > Message-ID: <00b701c74c8b$ecc99ef0$c65cdcd0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Interesting and timely conversation, I just had a meeting with a group > that > is looking at developing a DAISY like tool for PPT like content. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Sean Keegan > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:03 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > >> A larger problem is getting widespread acceptance >> among all the PowerPoint users on your campus. > > This has actually been the biggest challenge with many I communicate with > in > our system with respect to changing the direction of publishing Web > presentations on-line. A few are interested in the open-source/free tools > (Meyer's S5 in particular), but the learning curve is not shallow (be > careful not to delete one of those in the S5 code!) and PowerPoint > does provide a user interface that makes it easy to work with content. I > am > not saying it is the *right* interface, just that it makes it easy for > users. > > Unfortunately, I do not think the free tools are mature enough for the > majority of users. You have basic control over the "look" of the > presentation as well as reorganizing content, but certainly not to the > degree that is available in PPT. Until someone at MS integrates an a true > standards-compliant (and accessible) Web export option to PPT, I think we > will be looking at purchasing different tools. Believe me, I am in > support > of the development of an open-source/free tool and I agree with Terry that > it is a solvable problem, but it will have to compete with current PPT > application functionality to really gain acceptance and utilization. > > Take care, > Sean > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Terry Thompson > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:51 AM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > I've tried a variety of PowerPoint conversion tools, as well as > alternatives > to PowerPoint. Some of my experiments are documented here: > > http://staff.washington.edu/tft/talks/powerpoint/index.html > > I agree that LecShare is a good option. However, if it's free/open source > you're after, I think the best strategy is for you to help promote and > advance the standards-based alternatives to PowerPoint. Tools like W3C > Slidy > (and other W3C slide tools) and Eric Meyer's S5 allow you to produce > slides > as a single standards-based, cross-platform, well-structured, scalable, > portable XHTML file; then apply CSS and Javascript to it in order to get > the > slideshow effect. > > As promising as this sounds, none of the standards-compliant slide > presentations work well at this point with screen readers because of the > way > their Javascript hijacks user keystrokes for slide control. I think this > is > a solvable problem though, especially for someone with creativity, > programming skills, and a strong interest (you still reading this, Kevin?) > A > larger problem is getting widespread acceptance among all the PowerPoint > users on your campus. My son's in third grade and he's already being > tought > to use Microsoft PowerPoint. > > Some links: > > W3C Slide Tools: > http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/ > > Eric Meyer's S5: > http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/ > > I presented on this topic at Accessing Higher Ground, and will be doing so > again at CSUN: > > PowerPoint & Friends: Accessible Slides on the Web Wed 3/21/07, > 2:50-3:50pm > Hilton-Carmel > > Terry > > Terry Thompson > Technology Specialist, DO-IT > University of Washington > tft@u.washington.edu > 206/221-4168 > http://www.washington.edu/doit > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >> [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan >> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 7:47 AM >> To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC >> >> PowerTalk (http://tinyurl.com/2xrkj4) is the only add on that >> may help some folk listen to their PowerPoints that I know is >> open source. I have given it to a student who was concerned >> about their stammer but it does not solve your problem and I >> was trying to look for my old Illinois download but I am >> not sure it would work with the latest versions of Office. >> I have always >> exported my outlines to text format but am now including more >> and more Flash screen animations and will have to explain these. >> >> Best Wishes E.A. >> >> Mrs E.A. Draffan >> Assistive Technologist >> Mobile: 07976 289103 >> http://www.emptech.info/ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >> [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A >> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:48 PM >> To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC >> >> Thanks all, I'll give LecShare a try, but I'm still slightly >> peeved that I'm going to have to find even more money >> elsewhere just to be able to do this. >> >> I suppose it's the principle of the thing. >> >> Anyone know of any Open Source projects to accomplish this same thing? >> I've asked before elsewhere, but as that was quite some time >> ago, I had hopedthat someone else would have gotten to work >> on a solution. >> >> Anyway, thanks all. >> >> Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA >> Assistive Technology Specialist >> Student Disability Services >> Division of Student Affairs >> Oklahoma State University >> >> http://access.it.okstate.edu >> >> "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has >> understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >> [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith >> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:35 AM >> To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; >> Berkowitz, Daniel J >> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC >> >> I've been using LecShare and love it. (www.lecshare.com) >> >> Doesn't Flash put the captions over the slide itself? (In >> other words, your captioning may be covering part of the text >> of the slide.) There was a presentation on PPT at the Higher >> Ground Conference....should be on your CD if you purchased one. >> >> Stacy >> >> Quoting "Berkowitz, Daniel J" : >> >> > I'll echo Sean. I saw a demo of LecShare at Accessing Higher Ground >> > and picked up a copy on the spot. Given the price it was >> worth getting >> >> > a copy to try out. I have used it to create accessible version of >> > PPT's for many presentations - including this one: >> > http://www.colorado.edu/atconference/etext_production.htm >> > >> > >> > It's a good basic program that does what it promises. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ========================= >> > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director >> > Boston University Office of Disability Services >> > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor >> > Boston, MA 02215 >> > >> > (617) 353-3658 (office) >> > (617) 353-9646 (fax) >> > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Sean Keegan >> > Sent: Thu 2/8/2007 12:46 PM >> > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >> > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In >> That's NOT UIUC >> > >> > >> > Hi Kevin, >> > >> > You may want to check out LecShare. Similar in concept >> (different in >> > technical functionality), LecShare can take a PPT file and >> convert it >> > to several different accessible formats. Their higher end product >> > LecShare Pro can also support the addition of voice media to slides >> > (and do some basic automated captioning). Site is: >> > http://www.lecshare.com >> > >> > Take a look at the trial version - it is fully functioning and just >> > embeds a LecShare watermark on each exported format so that >> you do not >> >> > use the trial version for prime time. Works for Macs and >> PCs, so that >> >> > is a nice feature. Currently it only works with PowerPoint >> files, so >> > if you are looking for Word or Excel support, then it is the Office >> > Export Wizard (aka Accessible Web Publishing Wizard). >> > >> > I have also had a number of faculty approach me regarding >> the use of >> > Camtasia to deliver PPT content (obviously a more expensive >> solution). >> >> > The result is just a Flash video of the presentation with a >> voice-over >> >> > narration (this is somewhat similar to one of the exports >> of LecShare >> > Pro also does). The current version of Camtasia also >> provides a tool >> > for captioning the presentation. It does appear to have many >> > customization options, but I am looking into this a bit more. >> > Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but it is something >> > that more faculty appear to be doing. >> > >> > Take care, >> > Sean >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] >> > On Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A >> > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:10 AM >> > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >> > Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC >> > >> > >> > There are a few who have been witness to my complaints about the >> > University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign's Office Export Wizard >> > plug-in. I'm not going to get into that now (if anyone is >> interested, >> > mail me for a sample tirade off-list), but I do need a good >> > alternative to convert Powerpoint and other Office documents to an >> > accessible HTML alternative. >> > >> > Up until 1.06, the Illinois tool was free and didn't nag or >> annoy, and >> >> > if anyone has that version, that would be helpful (I have lost my >> > copy), otherwise, anyone have other recommendations? >> > >> > Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA >> > Assistive Technology Specialist >> > Student Disability Services >> > Division of Student Affairs >> > Oklahoma State University >> > >> > http://access.it.okstate.edu >> > >> > "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has >> > understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Athen mailing list >> > Athen@athenpro.org >> > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> > >> > >> >> >> Stacy Smith >> Adaptive Technology Specialist >> Disability Support Services >> 202 Holton Hall >> Kansas State University >> Manhattan, KS 66506 >> Phone: 785-532-6441 >> FAX: 785-532-6457 >> Email: stacylee@ksu.edu >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> This information is confidential. 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If >> you have received this communication in error, please notify >> us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.32/677 - Release >> Date: 08/02/2007 >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.32/677 - Release >> Date: 08/02/2007 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:52:33 -0800 > From: "John Foliot - Stanford Online Accessibility Program" > > Subject: Re: [Athen] javascript help > To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > Message-ID: <004c01c74c8c$3bfa72b0$5a8e40ab@Piglet> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Kilcommons,Cath wrote: >> Hi Stacy, >> Have you seen http://www.webaim.org/techniques/javascript/summary.php? >> This article also makes some very good points: >> http://www.accessiblecontent.com/online/v1n2/index.php?view=toc. >> With the use of the libraries, I wonder if they are moving towards >> AJAX? John Foliot has compiled some really good references on AJAX at >> http://soap.stanford.edu/show.php?contentid=65. >> We always emphasize that the JS must degrade gracefully, and should >> be the icing on the cake. I also have a handout from one of our >> Professional Development Institute that I will try to get a copy of >> for you. > > I can also add that for the most part the Yahoo! JavaScript libraries > [http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/] are "pretty good". I know and meet with > the accessibility folks there on a semi-regular basis, and they test all > of > their scripts for access issues prior to releasing them for public > consumption. As always, your mileage may vary, and not every JS function > will be 100% accessible, but Yahoo! have a strong commitment to accessible > development, and accessibility in general ( watch for some new > Yahoo! > Messenger avatars to be released later this month). Done properly > (i.e."progressive enhancement") you should be in pretty good shape. > > If you are interested I can connect you with their team - contact me off > list and I will make the introductions. > > Cheers! > > JF > --- > John Foliot > Academic Technology Consultant > Stanford Online Accessibility Program > http://soap.stanford.edu > Stanford University > 560 Escondido Mall > Meyer Library 181 > Stanford, CA 94305-3093 > Tel: 650-862-4603 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:52:15 -0800 > From: "Sean Keegan" > Subject: Re: [Athen] javascript help > To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > Message-ID: <001801c74c94$90a4f8f0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > I can also add that for the most part the Yahoo! JavaScript libraries > > [http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/] are "pretty good". > > Some of these widgets were demonstrated at the CSUN conference last year, > however, I believe the design team said the support was limited to > Window-Eyes and Firefox. Any update on this (I have not had a chance to > try > it myself)? > > Take care, > Sean > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:20:22 -0800 > From: "Sean Keegan" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > Message-ID: <002101c74c98$7e1c1ca0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> This may seem obvious -- or off topic -- but what about simply >> saving the PPT documents as PDF's before throwing them up on Bb sites? > > Actually, not really off-topic. For awhile, that was one of the only ways > to get a PPT presentation into a format that could be somewhat usable for > an > individual using assistive computer technology (barring use of the old > PowerPoint Accessibility Wizard). > > I do know some who still use that conversion process, but with the advent > of > better conversion utilities it is not something I recommend as a first (or > even second) option. At the very least, you still need to have a copy of > Adobe Acrobat Standard or Professional to create the tagged-PDF, which can > cost about the same amount as either the Accessible Web Publishing Wizard > or > LecShare/LecShare Pro. Also, while Acrobat has gotten better with some > assistive technologies, for ease of use and overall reliability, I think > HTML-based content has the edge. Besides, if you do not have Adobe Reader > installed, you are looking at a 20+ MB download for Reader 8. > > Ideally, when creating such presentations and delivering the content via > the > Web, you could deliver the presentation in several different formats. I > still think an HTML-based option works best for the current generation of > assistive computer technologies. I am hopeful that an export application > will be developed that allows for the simple generation of a variety of > accessible formats that can all be posted to the Web page and give users a > choice as to which to utilize (e.g., PPT, DAISY, HTML, Video-based, etc.) > > Take care, > Sean > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:30:05 -0800 > From: "Terry Thompson" > Subject: Re: [Athen] javascript help > To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > Message-ID: <200702092230.l19MU6Pj005196@smtp.washington.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I'd say that statement about support being limited to Window-Eyes and > Fireox > is generally accurate, Sean, but maybe not entirely - I think it depends > on > the widget. Todd Kloots of Yahoo! joined Doug Geoffray of GW Micro > (developer of Window-Eyes) in a presentation at the recent Web > Accessibility > Capacity Building Institute in Seattle. Interested folks should look over > their presentation materials. > > The proceedings are here: > http://www.washington.edu/doit/cbi/webaccess/proceedings.html > > And slides and examples from Todd's and Doug's presentation can be found > on > this Resources page: > http://www.washington.edu/doit/cbi/webaccess/resources.html > > Coincidentally (given the earlier discussion on this list today about > PowerPoint options), note that Todd's and Doug's slides are available in > three formats: original Powerpoint, XHTML (LecShare), and PDF (as Dan > Berkowitz suggested). Maybe the answer to this morning's question is: > *provide choices*. > > Terry > > Terry Thompson > Technology Specialist, DO-IT > University of Washington > tft@u.washington.edu > 206/221-4168 > http://www.washington.edu/doit > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >> [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan >> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 1:52 PM >> To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >> Subject: Re: [Athen] javascript help >> >> > I can also add that for the most part the Yahoo! >> JavaScript libraries > [http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/] are >> "pretty good". >> >> Some of these widgets were demonstrated at the CSUN >> conference last year, however, I believe the design team said >> the support was limited to Window-Eyes and Firefox. Any >> update on this (I have not had a chance to try it myself)? >> >> Take care, >> Sean >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:57:29 -0700 > From: "Kilcommons,Cath" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> This may seem obvious -- or off topic -- but what about simply saving >> the PPT documents as PDF's before throwing them up on Bb sites? > > I'd say not off-topic and not obvious either. > First, for someone like me who is paper-impaired when it comes to > notetaking, I can't take that PDF and take notes on it using my laptop. > If it is posted as a ppt, I can create the outline version, I can create > a Word doc, or various options. PPT may be proprietary, but open source > software like OpenOffice and Neo Office also offer me the ability to > open PPT. So, even if ppt is not a great option, it does offer > flexibility. Also, if the content is visible in the outline tab of the > Normal view in PPT, then a screen reader can read it. > > Second, (the biggest drawback I think), is that when converted to PDF, > you cannot retain the speaker notes used in PPT presentations, so you > cannot use the notes to supplement graphic descriptions, or to "fill in > the blanks" if you are one of those faculty who feels the need to leave > holes in their presentations so that the student will come to lecture. > > Using PPT > Send to Word, using the " Notes next to slides" options, > then you get a document that has the notes and has the slide content in > text and resizable graphics, but the files are huge. This becomes a > fully accessible Word, that could be used on someone's laptop so they > could take notes. > > Now if you turn that to PDF, you get back down to a reasonable file > size, but I still can't take notes in it. > > This is something I've been working on looking into best practices, and > here are some file size figures for one presentation put through many > paces: > > PPT = 786Kb > PPTConvert to Adobe PDF= 277Kb but no notes content. > PPT >send to word with Notes = 4,236Kb > PPT compressed =657Kb (this is a picture format option in PPT) > PPT compressed >send to word with Notes = 4,236Kb > PPT compressed >send to word with Notes using Links to slides = 3,522Kb > PPT compressed >send to word with Notes using Links to slides THEN > Convert to Adobe PDF = 743Kb (Tags are on table generated by Word) > The same file originally done in S5 format = 521Kb with 495Kb in images. > > If people have not looked over Terry's treatment of the subject,I > thought this was one of the most completely considered presentations I > have ever seen on the topic, and I would recommend it to all. > http://staff.washington.edu/tft/talks/powerpoint/index.html > > Best, > Cath > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > End of Athen Digest, Vol 13, Issue 11 > ************************************* > From djbrky at bu.edu Sat Feb 10 17:22:57 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: [Access Technologists Higher Education Network] NIMAS at CAST: NIMAS Presenta... References: <1171156311433.2f4ba259-2a80-4366-9666-7178eb71f51f@google.com> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E467@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> >From the ATHEN Blog: http://athenpro.blogspot.com/ I've been tapped to present on NIMAS for a course I am taking this semester [SED SE744: Special Education Administration]. Fortunately, I have a secret weapon in my knowledge arsenal - the NIMAS listservs at CAST . Chuck Hitchcock [Chief Officer, Policy and TechnologyDirector, NIMAS Technical Assistance Center] is a regular contributor to the General Interest Group list and recently posted a link to the NIMAS at CAST: NIMAS Presentations page. This page includes all upcoming presentations by the CAST crew and some of the current handouts they use. The Workflow Graphic depicting NIMAS/NIMAC implementation and SEA (State Education Agency) Implementation Scenarios were distributed through the listservs before being posted here. The NIMAS/NIMAC glossary is a must read -- don't be the only AMP left out of all the coolest conversations about SGML and Dublin Core at CSUN because you haven't brushed up on your acronyms. For those needing such information, CAST is now listing the primary contacts for NIMAS/NIMAC in each state. The NIMAC site itself has much good information, including PowerPoint presentations (with audio overlay) as well as archived on-line presentations. However, one of the best presentations on NIMAS/NIMAC available on-line is the audio and transcript of NIMAS in IDEA, What You Need To Know Now webcast available through the National Center on Disability and Access to Education . -- Posted By D. Berkowitz to Access Technologists Higher Education Network at 2/08/2007 09:24:00 PM From djbrky at bu.edu Sun Feb 11 06:53:48 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] The Rebirth of Braille (Boston Globe) References: <000601c74dda$3633eb50$194ee504@YOUR7C60552B9E> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E46A@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Note: Newton, Massachusetts is home to the Carroll Center for the Blind www.carroll.org The Rebirth of Braille Boston Globe http://www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/articles/2007/02/11/the_rebirth_of_braille/ Not so long ago it looked like new technologies would render Braille obsolete. Now it's making a comeback. By Chris Spurgeon | February 11, 2007 Next month, blind grade-school students from across New England will travel to Newton to test their skill in reading Braille. The competition, called the Braille Challenge, measures students' Braille reading speed and accuracy, with the top finishers in the regional events going on to national finals this June in Los Angeles. The Braille Challenge is in its sixth year, and there's been a steady rise in the number of competitors. It's a sign of a growing resurgence in Braille, a writing system that not so long ago seemed headed toward extinction. Before the writing system perfected by Louis Braille in the early 19th century was adopted, a diagnosis of blindness was also a sentence of lifelong illiteracy. But Braille fluency gave blind people the tools to earn an education. Use of Braille grew for more than a century and by the 1960s, 60 percent of blind children in America were learning it. But then, starting in the late '60s, those numbers began to fall. According to figures from the American Printing House for the Blind, the country's oldest manufacturer of educational material for blind students, today fewer than one-quarter of the blind children in this country who could potentially learn Braille actually do so. (Not all blind children can learn Braille. Many children born blind are also born with cognitive disabilities that make mastering Braille impossible.) Braille's decline was the byproduct of a revolution in education for the blind that, for a time, made Braille seem irrelevant. In the 1960s and '70s, many blind students began attending regular public schools, instead of specialized schools for the blind. This "mainstreaming" had huge benefits for blind students, giving them higher self-esteem, higher overall academic achievement, and helping them integrate with society, while at the same time teaching sighted students a bit about the disabled world. But it also made teaching Braille more difficult. When blind education was centralized, it was easier for specialized instructors to teach many students at once. Braille teachers now often had to travel among several schools to reach their students, and a greater proportion of the education of blind students fell to regular classroom teachers, who often didn't have the time or training to teach Braille. According to Tanya Holton of the National Braille Press, a Boston-based Braille publishing house, "Teachers and administrators said 'Braille is just so hard, books on tape are so much easier.'" The increasing number of audiobooks, and then the appearance of personal computers with synthetic speech software, led to a view that modern technology was making Braille obsolete. Blind students could put on a set of headphones and listen to instructional material on a wide variety of subjects, without the need to read and write a specialized alphabet. Continued... While many blind men and women lead successful lives without Braille, Holton feels it was a mistake to dismiss Braille completely. She says it has a versatility that speech-based communication can never match. "Imagine trying to learn algebra orally. Imagine trying to rewind through an audio recording of a recipe while you're trying to cook." Braille also lets you write, not just read. The current generation of Braille recording and playback machines are compact and powerful devices, suitable for business as well as school. They have specialized keyboards designed for rapid Braille typing and display devices that quickly raise and lower a series of pins, generating the various patterns of the Braille alphabet. A skilled user can take notes and read text as fast as a sighted person with a laptop. They're one reason Braille fluency has such a strong correlation with employment -- 90 percent of blind men and women who are fully employed can read Braille. All of this has led to a reassessment of Braille's importance by educators, parents of blind children, and politicians. Ten years ago the federal Individuals with Disabilities Education Act mandated that public schools consider Braille in their blind curriculum. More than 30 states -- including Massachusetts -- now have laws on the books saying that schools must teach Braille to all blind children capable of learning it. Nancy Niebrugge, an assistant vice president of the Braille Institute of America, says all of this makes her optimistic about Braille's future. "Five or 10 years ago there may have been a sense of despair, but there was a lot of pushing to bring Braille back, and I think it's working. There's a new understanding, that it's not the same to just listen to a book. That's a form of literacy, but it's not the same. If only 23 percent of a graduating class could read and write everyone would be outraged. We're turning a corner, but the goal is to go up." Chris Spurgeon lives in Los Angeles, where he works as a Web developer and designer, writes the blog spurgeonworld.com, and studies obsolete technologies. ? Copyright 2007 Globe Newspaper Company. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: _AVG certification_.txt URL: From ron at ahead.org Mon Feb 12 06:26:07 2007 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] [ATHEN] FW: [Access Technologists Higher Education Network] NIMAS at CAST: NIMAS Presenta... In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E467@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <1171156311433.2f4ba259-2a80-4366-9666-7178eb71f51f@google.com> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E467@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <000601c74eb1$c4b45900$4e1d0b00$@org> I am on the NIMAS development committee, and want to second Dann's comments about the NIMAS site. If you are not sure about NIMAS and its potential impact on you this paper may be helpful: http://www.ahead.org/etext/What%20is%20NIMAS.doc Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 8:23 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] FW: [Access Technologists Higher Education Network] NIMAS at CAST: NIMAS Presenta... >From the ATHEN Blog: http://athenpro.blogspot.com/ I've been tapped to present on NIMAS for a course I am taking this semester [SED SE744: Special Education Administration]. Fortunately, I have a secret weapon in my knowledge arsenal - the NIMAS listservs at CAST . Chuck Hitchcock [Chief Officer, Policy and TechnologyDirector, NIMAS Technical Assistance Center] is a regular contributor to the General Interest Group list and recently posted a link to the NIMAS at CAST: NIMAS Presentations page. This page includes all upcoming presentations by the CAST crew and some of the current handouts they use. The Workflow Graphic depicting NIMAS/NIMAC implementation and SEA (State Education Agency) Implementation Scenarios were distributed through the listservs before being posted here. The NIMAS/NIMAC glossary is a must read -- don't be the only AMP left out of all the coolest conversations about SGML and Dublin Core at CSUN because you haven't brushed up on your acronyms. For those needing such information, CAST is now listing the primary contacts for NIMAS/NIMAC in each state. The NIMAC site itself has much good information, including PowerPoint presentations (with audio overlay) as well as archived on-line presentations. However, one of the best presentations on NIMAS/NIMAC available on-line is the audio and transcript of NIMAS in IDEA, What You Need To Know Now webcast available through the National Center on Disability and Access to Education . -- Posted By D. Berkowitz to Access Technologists Higher Education Network at 2/08/2007 09:24:00 PM _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From kevin.sesock at okstate.edu Mon Feb 12 07:19:48 2007 From: kevin.sesock at okstate.edu (Sesock, Kevin A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Open Source as a Methodology for Access (was RE: Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC) Message-ID: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9E2AB@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> All: I should apologize once again for starting up a rather... shall we say impassioned discussion about this, and it is not my intention to cause derision amongst the members of this listserv, nor the members of the community. It IS my intention, however, to continue to pressure the community to consider the Open Source model, as I believe that promotes more positive growth than a closed commercial development model. In a field that is so considerably underdeveloped and unsupported compared to many other fields in E&IT, and which receives far less resources and support in most environments, I believe this is something that needs to be continually addressed, that Open Source, at least in many aspects, may be the only salvation. I know I come off as a pretty staunch supporter of Open Source (okay, so I make Eric S. Raymond look like Ghandi, and seriously, don't get me started on ESR), but any thoughts? Please, feel free to change my mind, which is by no means impossible. Again, sorry for my usual antics, and thanks for your nearly infinite patience. Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA Assistive Technology Specialist Student Disability Services Division of Student Affairs Oklahoma State University http://access.it.okstate.edu "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin From skeegan at htctu.net Mon Feb 12 15:00:50 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC In-Reply-To: <4749.24.136.240.97.1171139380.squirrel@webmail.ncsu.edu> References: <4749.24.136.240.97.1171139380.squirrel@webmail.ncsu.edu> Message-ID: <004501c74ef9$a45d0010$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> > While S5 is great way to create a presentation on the web > it is not really accessible with Jaws as all the keystrokes > needed to move the presentation forward are defined > by Jaws to perform dfferent functions. I think this raises an interesting question as to assistive technology support of Web standards. Is the S5 Web presentation model accessible using JAWS? Sure - but it really depends on what version of JAWS you are using AND what Internet browser. A presentation with the S5 system could be accessed with JAWS 7.x and Firefox, but not Internet Explorer (JAWS 8 has improvements with IE and the S5 system). Turning off the CSS in the browser seems to improve the presentation navigation with JAWS tremendously...which raises a very interesting question as to why does CSS have so much control over how JAWS functions?!?. Side note: For using a screen-reader with S5 - to move one screen ahead, press Alt + Right Arrow. Here is my issue though: the S5 system is a standards-based implementation of XHTML, CSS, and Javascript. I would argue that the developers of such AT need to recognize that better support of Web standards is a necessity and the lack of access is not so much a problem of the presentational system (i.e., S5), but rather poor implementation of the Web feature set by the AT vendor. Granted, there is still an issue of limited access by the individual and that is why I generally advocate the idea of posting multiple formats of the presentation - let site visitors choose the file-type they like the most. However, I do believe that better implementations of standards-compliant (or perhaps standards-supportive) assistive technology is a necessity as we move forward in implementing new models of communication. Take care, Sean -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Saroj Primlani Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 12:30 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 13, Issue 11 While S5 is great way to create a presentation on the web it is not really accessible with Jaws as all the keystrokes needed to move the presentation forward are defined by Jaws to perform dfferent functions. I learnt that the hard way Saroj From djbrky at bu.edu Wed Feb 14 03:32:58 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] CSUN Presenting References: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE9E2AB@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E47D@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Greetings to all ATHEN members from your (unofficially titled) Czar of Good Will If you are presenting at CSUN this year, please drop me a message with your name and session information so that we can post it on the ATHEN website and blog. Cheers --- Dann djbrky@bu.edu ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability From tft at u.washington.edu Wed Feb 14 09:08:52 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] CSUN Presenting In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E47D@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <200702141708.l1EH8qfi016368@smtp.washington.edu> Hi Dann, Here are Sheryl Burgstahler's and my sessions: Terry Thompson PowerPoint & Friends: Accessible Slides on the Web Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 2:50 PM Hilton - Carmel Sheryl Burgstahler with Scott Bellman Opening Doors: Mentoring on the Internet Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:40 AM Hilton - La Jolla A Terry Thompson & Sheryl Burgstahler Research on Accessibility of Higher Education Websites Friday, March 23, 2007 - 1:45 PM Hilton - Marina 110 Terry > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:33 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access > Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] CSUN Presenting > > Greetings to all ATHEN members from your (unofficially > titled) Czar of Good Will > > If you are presenting at CSUN this year, please drop me a > message with your name and session information so that we can > post it on the ATHEN website and blog. > > Cheers --- Dann > djbrky@bu.edu > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu Wed Feb 14 12:10:18 2007 From: saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu (Saroj Primlani) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] CSUN presentations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001101c75074$265c7390$6701a8c0@sarojlaptop> Saroj Primlani and Lisa Fiedor Accessibility of Electronic and Online Assessment Tools 3/21/2007 10:40:00 AM Hilton - La Jolla A Saroj Primlani and Hal Meeks Voice Recognition Ready for Transcriptions - A Reality Check, 3/22/2007 1:45:00 PM Hilton - Century C/D Sina Bahram, Mike Grace and Saroj Primlani Remote Access Bridge: Cross-Platform Accessible Remote Access to the Linux Desktop 3/22/2007 9:20:00 AM Marriott - Atlanta Saroj -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of athen-request@athenpro.org Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:00 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 13, Issue 18 Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." Today's Topics: 1. CSUN Presenting (Berkowitz, Daniel J) 2. Re: CSUN Presenting (Terry Thompson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 06:32:58 -0500 From: "Berkowitz, Daniel J" Subject: [Athen] CSUN Presenting To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" , "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E47D@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Greetings to all ATHEN members from your (unofficially titled) Czar of Good Will If you are presenting at CSUN this year, please drop me a message with your name and session information so that we can post it on the ATHEN website and blog. Cheers --- Dann djbrky@bu.edu ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:08:52 -0800 From: "Terry Thompson" Subject: Re: [Athen] CSUN Presenting To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" Cc: 'Sheryl Burgstahler' Message-ID: <200702141708.l1EH8qfi016368@smtp.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Dann, Here are Sheryl Burgstahler's and my sessions: Terry Thompson PowerPoint & Friends: Accessible Slides on the Web Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 2:50 PM Hilton - Carmel Sheryl Burgstahler with Scott Bellman Opening Doors: Mentoring on the Internet Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:40 AM Hilton - La Jolla A Terry Thompson & Sheryl Burgstahler Research on Accessibility of Higher Education Websites Friday, March 23, 2007 - 1:45 PM Hilton - Marina 110 Terry > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:33 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access > Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] CSUN Presenting > > Greetings to all ATHEN members from your (unofficially > titled) Czar of Good Will > > If you are presenting at CSUN this year, please drop me a > message with your name and session information so that we can > post it on the ATHEN website and blog. > > Cheers --- Dann > djbrky@bu.edu > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 13, Issue 18 ************************************* From asuncion at alcor.concordia.ca Thu Feb 15 04:11:44 2007 From: asuncion at alcor.concordia.ca (Jennison Asuncion) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] UPDATED Library of Free/Inexpensive Software Message-ID: The Adaptech Research Network is pleased to announce that we have updated and redesigned our library of free and inexpensive adaptive and "adaptable" software titles. Thanks in large part to ideas and suggestions from students, disability service providers and web site visitors, we have added new titles. We have also attempted to make searching for software more user friendly. Visit http://www.adaptech.org and select the Downloads link. As usual, if you have any new titles of adaptive software that is either free or costs $200 USD or less that you think might be especially useful to postsecondary students with disabilities, email Catherine Fichten at catherine.fichten@mcgill.ca. We also invite you to email us with overall feedback on the usability and accessibility of the library. Jennison Asuncion Co-Director, Adaptech Research Network http://www.adaptech.org From edward at ngtvoice.com Thu Feb 15 10:45:29 2007 From: edward at ngtvoice.com (Ed. Rosenthal) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] On/Off Jellybean Switch for Quad Message-ID: <00ce01c75131$78643930$b47ba8c0@eros> We are putting together a computer system for a gentleman who is a quadriplegic. I want to create a jelly beans switch that can power his computer on for him at which time his speech recognition software will load and he will be able to use that for the rest of the session and to shut down. Does anybody have a product recommendation or component recommendation that would prove helpful? Thanks in advance -ed. Edward S. Rosenthal, ATACP Graduate President and CEO Next Generation Technologies Inc. 20006 Cedar Valley Rd. #101 Lynnwood, WA 98036-6334 Ph: 425-744-1100 ext. 15 Fx: 425-778-5547 Em: edward@ngtvoice.com URL: www.ngtvoice.com This document may have been generated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking Medical version 9A and/or handwriting recognition on a Motion LE1600 Tablet PC... please disregard remaining misrecognitions or unusual formatting. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ea at emptech.info Thu Feb 15 11:15:46 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. 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URL: From tft at u.washington.edu Thu Feb 15 15:38:21 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of standards-based slide tools (was: Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC) In-Reply-To: <004501c74ef9$a45d0010$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <200702152338.l1FNcL1l012795@smtp.washington.edu> > Turning off the CSS in the browser seems to improve the presentation > navigation with JAWS tremendously...which raises a very > interesting question as to why does CSS have so much control > over how JAWS functions?!?. It's actually not CSS that's the problem with S5 and similar tools such as W3C Slidy - it's Javascript. Each of these tools is similar in that they take a single HTML file, then intermittently hide and reveal portions of it in order to create the slideshow effect. This hiding and revealing is accomplished in part using CSS - but the real behind-the-scenes magic is performed by Javascript. The problem for screen reader users is that Javascript is intercepting keystrokes and interpreting them to be S5 or Slidy commands, whereas the user might have intended those keystrokes to be handled by their screen reader. The variance in behavior across versions and browsers is what really interests me though. Using the latest versions of everything (JAWS 8, Internet Explorer 7, and Firefox 2) the precedence of which application is first in the keystroke chain seems to go like this on a web page that contains an S5 presentation: 1. Browser 2. Screen reader 3. Web page/Javascript (S5) In this scenario, screen readers read the presentation pretty well, but the S5 navigation is broken. For example, users are supposed to be able to advance slides with Space bar, Return, Right arrow, Down arrow, and Page down, but if either the browser or the screen reader uses these keystrokes for other purposes these keys don't work to advance the slides. As Sean mentioned, Alt + right arrow seems to be a workaround, but that's only true if the forward button in the browser is unavailable. Otherwise Alt + right arrow would be used by the browser as a hotkey for the "forward button". Even if Alt + right arrow works to advance the slide, one might intuitively expect Alt + left arrow to move to the preceding slide, but this is subject to the same restrictions - it won't work unless the slideshow is the first web page opened in the current browser window. Otherwise it will activate the browser's back button. The broken S5 functionality actually doesn't matter for Window-Eyes users (using version 6 anyway - I haven't tried earlier versions). Window-Eyes simply ignores CSS and reads everything whether it's hidden or not. I don't think we can really fault other screen readers for hiding invisible content though - that would seem to be a design philosophy rather than a bug. (If something is hidden from sighted users, shouldn't it be hidden from blind users too?) Interestingly, W3C Slidy, which is a very similar product to S5, does not seem to have the same order of precedence for interpreting keystrokes: 1. Browser 2. Web page/Javascript (Slidy) 3. Screen reader This is a much worse scenario for screen reader users, as when they press common screen reader keys like the down arrow, Slidy advances the slides but the screen reader doesn't read anything. This means that even Window-Eyes users are shut out of W3C Slidy presentations. So, an important question this raises is: What's the difference in these two products? If we agree that keystrokes should be passed through assistive technology before being handled by a web page's Javascript, how has Eric Meyer accomplished this with S5? I don't think Eric subscribes to this list so I'll ask him under separate cover and keep you posted. If this is a Javascript technique issue as it seems to be, it will be good for us to document as a best practice and spread the word. I'm sure this isn't the last keyboard-enabled web application we'll be seeing. Terry > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 3:01 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC > > > While S5 is great way to create a presentation on the web it is not > > really accessible with Jaws as all the keystrokes needed to > move the > > presentation forward are defined by Jaws to perform dfferent > > functions. > > I think this raises an interesting question as to assistive > technology support of Web standards. Is the S5 Web > presentation model accessible using JAWS? Sure - but it > really depends on what version of JAWS you are using AND what > Internet browser. A presentation with the S5 system could be > accessed with JAWS 7.x and Firefox, but not Internet Explorer > (JAWS 8 has improvements with IE and the S5 system). Turning > off the CSS in the browser seems to improve the presentation > navigation with JAWS tremendously...which raises a very > interesting question as to why does CSS have so much control > over how JAWS functions?!?. > > Side note: For using a screen-reader with S5 - to move one > screen ahead, press Alt + Right Arrow. > > Here is my issue though: the S5 system is a standards-based > implementation of XHTML, CSS, and Javascript. I would argue > that the developers of such AT need to recognize that better > support of Web standards is a necessity and the lack of > access is not so much a problem of the presentational system > (i.e., S5), but rather poor implementation of the Web feature > set by the AT vendor. > > Granted, there is still an issue of limited access by the > individual and that is why I generally advocate the idea of > posting multiple formats of the presentation - let site > visitors choose the file-type they like the most. > However, I do believe that better implementations of > standards-compliant (or perhaps standards-supportive) > assistive technology is a necessity as we move forward in > implementing new models of communication. > > > Take care, > Sean > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Saroj Primlani > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 12:30 PM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: Re: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 13, Issue 11 > > While S5 is great way to create a presentation on the web it > is not really accessible with Jaws as all the keystrokes > needed to move the presentation forward are defined by Jaws > to perform dfferent functions. I learnt that the hard way Saroj > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From skeegan at htctu.net Fri Feb 16 00:26:55 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (skeegan@htctu.net) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of standards-based slide tools (was: Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC) Message-ID: <20070216032655.5ktjjhow88owkwwc@sheridan.swishmail.com> > It's actually not CSS that's the problem with S5 and similar tools such as > W3C Slidy - it's Javascript. I should have been more clear in my original comments with respect to the CSS - I was focusing on the display/visibility properties and their relationship to the JavaScript (my mistake). Great job testing on determining precedence with the browsers, screen-readers, and scripting. > The broken S5 functionality actually doesn't matter for Window-Eyes > users (using version 6 anyway - I haven't tried earlier versions). > Window-Eyes simply ignores CSS and reads everything whether it's > hidden or not. I don't think we can really fault other screen > readers for hiding invisible content though - that would seem to > be a design philosophy rather than a bug. (If something is > hidden from sighted users, shouldn't it be hidden from blind > users too?) This actually raises an interesting concept as it pertains to a slideshow-type presentation - should we expect a screen-reader to follow a visual framework alone as opposed to providing access to content within a consistent navigational structure? In other words, to move from "slide" to "slide" in these Web-based systems, a user would press a specific keystroke to change the on-screen information. However, does it really matter as to what is currently on-screen (visually) if the same content can be provided in a clear navigational structure? For instance, in the S5 model, the Heading 1 represents a new "slide" (I need to check again on the Slidy tool). So to navigate from slide to slide is just a matter of navigating from Heading to Heading. In some respects, I think Window-Eyes has got this right in that it ignores certain CSS aspects and provides direct access to the XHTML document. The user can navigate from heading to heading (i.e., slide to slide) in the S5 presentation by simply tapping the "H" key. Sighted individuals perform a similar function by pressing one of the other keystrokes to move through the presentation visually. In either case, what both individuals are "seeing" is simply a reflection as to where the focus is in the HTML document. With S5 and Slidy tool, the presentation is really just a single Web page that is visually formatted to appear as multiple slides. The fact that JAWS only reads what is visually on the screen is (IMO) following a sight-dependent model for providing access. While you can certainly get to the various slides with JAWS, it is not easy (or consistent). First and foremost, I would argue that access to the content in a consistent, logical manner is necessary and adherence to following the visual model should not come at the expense of that aforementioned access. However, I believe I must ask, what do more experienced screen-reader users prefer? Side note - I do agree that there are some cases where the content should be hidden from both sighted and screen-reader users and only revealed upon demand (but that is a topic for another discussion). > If we agree that keystrokes should be passed through assistive > technology before being handled by a web page's Javascript, how has Eric > Meyer accomplished this with S5? Good question. I would be interested to know what was going on as well - perhaps just a happy accident? Looking at the JavaScript there is a reference to 'alt' but I believe this is referring to Access Keys. Wouldn't it be cool if the "H" key was set to only move focus to the next heading as it currently does, but also shift to the next slide visually? Keyboard intercept priority would seem to be an issue here. > I'm sure this isn't the > last keyboard-enabled web application we'll be seeing. Absolutely correct. The rise of RIA is on the way and is not slowing down... Take care, Sean Quoting Terry Thompson : >> Turning off the CSS in the browser seems to improve the presentation >> navigation with JAWS tremendously...which raises a very >> interesting question as to why does CSS have so much control >> over how JAWS functions?!?. > > It's actually not CSS that's the problem with S5 and similar tools such as > W3C Slidy - it's Javascript. Each of these tools is similar in that they > take a single HTML file, then intermittently hide and reveal portions of it > in order to create the slideshow effect. This hiding and revealing is > accomplished in part using CSS - but the real behind-the-scenes magic is > performed by Javascript. The problem for screen reader users is that > Javascript is intercepting keystrokes and interpreting them to be S5 or > Slidy commands, whereas the user might have intended those keystrokes to be > handled by their screen reader. > > The variance in behavior across versions and browsers is what really > interests me though. Using the latest versions of everything (JAWS 8, > Internet Explorer 7, and Firefox 2) the precedence of which application is > first in the keystroke chain seems to go like this on a web page that > contains an S5 presentation: > > 1. Browser > 2. Screen reader > 3. Web page/Javascript (S5) > > In this scenario, screen readers read the presentation pretty well, but the > S5 navigation is broken. > For example, users are supposed to be able to advance slides with Space bar, > Return, Right arrow, Down arrow, and Page down, but if either the browser or > the screen reader uses these keystrokes for other purposes these keys don't > work to advance the slides. As Sean mentioned, Alt + right arrow seems to be > a workaround, but that's only true if the forward button in the browser is > unavailable. Otherwise Alt + right arrow would be used by the browser as a > hotkey for the "forward button". Even if Alt + right arrow works to advance > the slide, one might intuitively expect Alt + left arrow to move to the > preceding slide, but this is subject to the same restrictions - it won't > work unless the slideshow is the first web page opened in the current > browser window. Otherwise it will activate the browser's back button. > > The broken S5 functionality actually doesn't matter for Window-Eyes users > (using version 6 anyway - I haven't tried earlier versions). Window-Eyes > simply ignores CSS and reads everything whether it's hidden or not. I don't > think we can really fault other screen readers for hiding invisible content > though - that would seem to be a design philosophy rather than a bug. (If > something is hidden from sighted users, shouldn't it be hidden from blind > users too?) > > Interestingly, W3C Slidy, which is a very similar product to S5, does not > seem to have the same order of precedence for interpreting keystrokes: > > 1. Browser > 2. Web page/Javascript (Slidy) > 3. Screen reader > > This is a much worse scenario for screen reader users, as when they press > common screen reader keys like the down arrow, Slidy advances the slides but > the screen reader doesn't read anything. This means that even Window-Eyes > users are shut out of W3C Slidy presentations. > > So, an important question this raises is: What's the difference in these two > products? If we agree that keystrokes should be passed through assistive > technology before being handled by a web page's Javascript, how has Eric > Meyer accomplished this with S5? I don't think Eric subscribes to this list > so I'll ask him under separate cover and keep you posted. If this is a > Javascript technique issue as it seems to be, it will be good for us to > document as a best practice and spread the word. I'm sure this isn't the > last keyboard-enabled web application we'll be seeing. > > Terry > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >> [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan >> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 3:01 PM >> To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible Office Export Plug-In That's NOT UIUC >> >> > While S5 is great way to create a presentation on the web it is not >> > really accessible with Jaws as all the keystrokes needed to >> move the >> > presentation forward are defined by Jaws to perform dfferent >> > functions. >> >> I think this raises an interesting question as to assistive >> technology support of Web standards. Is the S5 Web >> presentation model accessible using JAWS? Sure - but it >> really depends on what version of JAWS you are using AND what >> Internet browser. A presentation with the S5 system could be >> accessed with JAWS 7.x and Firefox, but not Internet Explorer >> (JAWS 8 has improvements with IE and the S5 system). Turning >> off the CSS in the browser seems to improve the presentation >> navigation with JAWS tremendously...which raises a very >> interesting question as to why does CSS have so much control >> over how JAWS functions?!?. >> >> Side note: For using a screen-reader with S5 - to move one >> screen ahead, press Alt + Right Arrow. >> >> Here is my issue though: the S5 system is a standards-based >> implementation of XHTML, CSS, and Javascript. I would argue >> that the developers of such AT need to recognize that better >> support of Web standards is a necessity and the lack of >> access is not so much a problem of the presentational system >> (i.e., S5), but rather poor implementation of the Web feature >> set by the AT vendor. >> >> Granted, there is still an issue of limited access by the >> individual and that is why I generally advocate the idea of >> posting multiple formats of the presentation - let site >> visitors choose the file-type they like the most. >> However, I do believe that better implementations of >> standards-compliant (or perhaps standards-supportive) >> assistive technology is a necessity as we move forward in >> implementing new models of communication. >> >> >> Take care, >> Sean >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >> [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Saroj Primlani >> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 12:30 PM >> To: athen@athenpro.org >> Subject: Re: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 13, Issue 11 >> >> While S5 is great way to create a presentation on the web it >> is not really accessible with Jaws as all the keystrokes >> needed to move the presentation forward are defined by Jaws >> to perform dfferent functions. I learnt that the hard way Saroj >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From ea at emptech.info Fri Feb 16 12:32:52 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Most accessible open source CMS Message-ID: <00a701c75209$a49240a0$15c4fea9@laptop> I am sure this has been discussed but with all the updates to open source CMS tools I just wondered if anyone had an opinion on which is the most accessible one? Joomla seem to be off with Google to work on it http://code.google.com/soc/joomla/appinfo.html?csaid=52B7D46E2DD02887 Mambo and Drupal are on Robbie's list and I am using Moodle at the moment. Thank you in anticipation!! :>)) Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release Date: 15/02/2007 From skeegan at htctu.net Fri Feb 16 14:42:25 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (skeegan@htctu.net) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Most accessible open source CMS In-Reply-To: <00a701c75209$a49240a0$15c4fea9@laptop> References: <00a701c75209$a49240a0$15c4fea9@laptop> Message-ID: <20070216174225.lxpwtg304kw844ko@sheridan.swishmail.com> Hi E.A., > I am sure this has been discussed but with all the updates to open source > CMS tools I just wondered if anyone had an opinion on which is the most > accessible one? Unfortunately, I have not played with Joomla is some time, so I cannot comment on its accessibility support. Drupal is what the ATHEN site uses (along with a specific theme) and it is pretty good with respect to accessibility. At the time, there were not many CMS platforms the ATHEN hosting provider would support, so we went with Drupal and it has worked well. Plone (http://plone.org) is another CMS that has done a lot of work with respect to accessibility as well (I believe it was the first to conform to the Section 508 standards). The biggest challenge that I have had with these systems is not so much an accessibility issue with the basic CMS platform itself, but the modules that you may need to install to get additional features vary sometimes in accessibility support. I am encouraged by Moodle's direction for accessibility (particularly for the 1.8 release) and the involvement of such a large number of people working on accessibility alone. If everything the Moodle Accessibility Specification for 1.8 gets addressed, then it *should* be a very usable system with AT (...*should* being the operative word). I don't have a real opinion as to which is the best for accessibility as they all have strengths and weaknesses and it depends on what you need the CMS to do. That being said, the platforms you mentioned tend to be towards the top with respect to supporting accessibility. take care, sean Quoting "E.A. Draffan" : > I am sure this has been discussed but with all the updates to open source > CMS tools I just wondered if anyone had an opinion on which is the most > accessible one? Joomla seem to be off with Google to work on it > http://code.google.com/soc/joomla/appinfo.html?csaid=52B7D46E2DD02887 > Mambo and Drupal are on Robbie's list and I am using Moodle at the moment. > > Thank you in anticipation!! :>)) > > Best Wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Assistive Technologist > Mobile: 07976 289103 > http://www.emptech.info/ > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release Date: 15/02/2007 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From fgsmith at vcu.edu Fri Feb 16 16:22:15 2007 From: fgsmith at vcu.edu (Frances G Smith/AC/VCU) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Frances G Smith/AC/VCU is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting Fri 02/16/2007 and will not return until Wed 02/21/2007. I will be out of the office starting Friday, February 16, 2007 and returning Wednesday, February 21, 2007. From ea at emptech.info Fri Feb 16 16:57:23 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Most accessible open source CMS In-Reply-To: <20070216174225.lxpwtg304kw844ko@sheridan.swishmail.com> References: <00a701c75209$a49240a0$15c4fea9@laptop> <20070216174225.lxpwtg304kw844ko@sheridan.swishmail.com> Message-ID: <00b201c7522e$96176f80$15c4fea9@laptop> Thank you so much Sean for coming back... I have to admit that I find Moodle very easy but I am off to have another look at Drupal! Best Wishes E.A. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of skeegan@htctu.net Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:42 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Most accessible open source CMS Hi E.A., > I am sure this has been discussed but with all the updates to open > source CMS tools I just wondered if anyone had an opinion on which is > the most accessible one? Unfortunately, I have not played with Joomla is some time, so I cannot comment on its accessibility support. Drupal is what the ATHEN site uses (along with a specific theme) and it is pretty good with respect to accessibility. At the time, there were not many CMS platforms the ATHEN hosting provider would support, so we went with Drupal and it has worked well. Plone (http://plone.org) is another CMS that has done a lot of work with respect to accessibility as well (I believe it was the first to conform to the Section 508 standards). The biggest challenge that I have had with these systems is not so much an accessibility issue with the basic CMS platform itself, but the modules that you may need to install to get additional features vary sometimes in accessibility support. I am encouraged by Moodle's direction for accessibility (particularly for the 1.8 release) and the involvement of such a large number of people working on accessibility alone. If everything the Moodle Accessibility Specification for 1.8 gets addressed, then it *should* be a very usable system with AT (...*should* being the operative word). I don't have a real opinion as to which is the best for accessibility as they all have strengths and weaknesses and it depends on what you need the CMS to do. That being said, the platforms you mentioned tend to be towards the top with respect to supporting accessibility. take care, sean Quoting "E.A. Draffan" : > I am sure this has been discussed but with all the updates to open > source CMS tools I just wondered if anyone had an opinion on which is > the most accessible one? Joomla seem to be off with Google to work on > it > http://code.google.com/soc/joomla/appinfo.html?csaid=52B7D46E2DD02887 > Mambo and Drupal are on Robbie's list and I am using Moodle at the moment. > > Thank you in anticipation!! :>)) > > Best Wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Assistive Technologist > Mobile: 07976 289103 > http://www.emptech.info/ > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release Date: > 15/02/2007 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release Date: 15/02/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release Date: 15/02/2007 From jfoliot at stanford.edu Tue Feb 20 11:15:40 2007 From: jfoliot at stanford.edu (John Foliot - Stanford Online Accessibility Program) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Most accessible open source CMS In-Reply-To: <00a701c75209$a49240a0$15c4fea9@laptop> Message-ID: <001301c75523$86009570$888f40ab@Piglet> E.A. Draffan wrote: > I am sure this has been discussed but with all the updates to open > source CMS tools I just wondered if anyone had an opinion on which is > the most accessible one? Joomla seem to be off with Google to work on > it > http://code.google.com/soc/joomla/appinfo.html?csaid=52B7D46E2DD02887 > Mambo and Drupal are on Robbie's list and I am using Moodle at the > moment. Sorry for the delay... >From another list I subscribe to come this great resource: http://wiki.euain.org/doku.php?id=wiki:glossary:choosing_an_accessible_cms The author, Joshue O Connor, is Senior Accessibility Consultant for the Centre for Inclusive Technology, an initiative of The National Council for the Blind of Ireland. It provides a good overview of many of the current OSCMSes out there. Readers might also be interested in the following: http://2007.oscms-summit.org/ It's at Yahoo!'s Campus in Sunnyvale, CA on March 22-23. There's no charge but you need to register. Cheers! JF --- John Foliot Academic Technology Consultant Stanford Online Accessibility Program http://soap.stanford.edu Stanford University 560 Escondido Mall Meyer Library 181 Stanford, CA 94305-3093 Tel: 650-862-4603 From Glenda at webaccessibility.biz Tue Feb 20 11:58:33 2007 From: Glenda at webaccessibility.biz (Glenda Watson Hyatt) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Most accessible open source CMS In-Reply-To: <001301c75523$86009570$888f40ab@Piglet> Message-ID: E.A. Draffan wrote: > I am sure this has been discussed but with all the updates to open > source CMS tools I just wondered if anyone had an opinion on which is > the most accessible one? Joomla seem to be off with Google to work on > it > http://code.google.com/soc/joomla/appinfo.html?csaid=52B7D46E2DD02887 > Mambo and Drupal are on Robbie's list and I am using Moodle at the > moment. Sorry for the delay... >From another list I subscribe to come this great resource: http://wiki.euain.org/doku.php?id=wiki:glossary:choosing_an_accessible_cms The author, Joshue O Connor, is Senior Accessibility Consultant for the Centre for Inclusive Technology, an initiative of The National Council for the Blind of Ireland. It provides a good overview of many of the current OSCMSes out there. Readers might also be interested in the following: http://2007.oscms-summit.org/ It's at Yahoo!'s Campus in Sunnyvale, CA on March 22-23. There's no charge but you need to register. Cheers! JF --- John Foliot Thanks for this, John. Very timely as I'm considering using WordPress to redesign a non-profit's website. At this point, the interface doesn't need to be overly accessible. I'm more concerned that the output is accessible. I didn't see WordPress listed in the wiki article; not sure if that means anything. Any thoughts/comments on using WordPress? Cheers, Glenda Glenda Watson Hyatt, Author of I'll Do It Myself Please join me on my virtual book tour at www.doitmyselfblog.com Email: Glenda@BooksbyGlenda.com Skype: Glenda.Watson.Hyatt (text only, please) From djbrky at bu.edu Tue Feb 20 12:55:33 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Public Relations Opportunity References: <001301c75523$86009570$888f40ab@Piglet> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E497@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> As the semi-official PR Director for ATHEN -- I am bringing the following post from the blog Blind Confidential to your attention: How Accessible is 'Accessible'? http://blindconfidential.blogspot.com/2007/02/how-accessible-is-accessible.html Note the last line where the author (Chris Hofstader) asks for Web accessibility experts to contact him regarding his radio show. If you take him up on this all I ask is that you mention ATHEN. ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability From pratikp1 at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 22:54:42 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Most accessible open source CMS In-Reply-To: <001301c75523$86009570$888f40ab@Piglet> References: <00a701c75209$a49240a0$15c4fea9@laptop> <001301c75523$86009570$888f40ab@Piglet> Message-ID: <005f01c75585$2ad964d0$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> E.A. Draffan wrote: > I am sure this has been discussed but with all the updates to open > source CMS tools I just wondered if anyone had an opinion on which is > the most accessible one? Joomla seem to be off with Google to work on > it > http://code.google.com/soc/joomla/appinfo.html?csaid=52B7D46E2DD02887 > Mambo and Drupal are on Robbie's list and I am using Moodle at the > moment. PP: Hello, Sorry for writing a bit late to this thread. As a screen reader user who has gotten used to switch back and forth between JAWS and Window-Eyes (and who plans to add Hal to that mix), I must say I find Drupal to be the best in terms of usability and accessibility. The 5.x release adds a superb amount of configurability with loads of modules that can be easily turned off and on. The most problematic thing about Drupal is the theme choice. Some of the preexisting themes have no built-in accessibility support while others tend to be quite accesible out-of-the-box. I've not tested some of the ajaxian modules that can be downloaded separately. But, I'll give Drupal high marks. The developers seem to have really thought of accessiiblity. They are very good with feedback as well. Accessibility problems can be reported as bugs and are quickly fixed. Now if someone would write a WordPress Module for Drupal, I'll be in heaven. Pratik From pratikp1 at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 23:01:58 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Most accessible open source CMS In-Reply-To: <45db531f.5f932a7f.2032.ffffa275SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <001301c75523$86009570$888f40ab@Piglet> <45db531f.5f932a7f.2032.ffffa275SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <006001c75586$305872b0$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> Glenda Watson Hyatt wrote: Snip --------------- Thanks for this, John. Very timely as I'm considering using WordPress to redesign a non-profit's website. At this point, the interface doesn't need to be overly accessible. I'm more concerned that the output is accessible. I didn't see WordPress listed in the wiki article; not sure if that means anything. Any thoughts/comments on using WordPress? Snip --------------------- PP: Glenda, WordPress is not designed to be a CMS but a blogging platform. That, of course, doesn't stop organizations such as the New York Times from using it as a CMS with most of their online presence. It will take an incredible amount of configuration for you to get it up an running as a full site. I'll take a look at another CMS that takes a little less work but still gives you the flexibility you need to work with content Pratik From skeegan at htctu.net Thu Feb 22 11:37:07 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Update for captioned QT movies and iPods Message-ID: <000f01c756b8$d78160a0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hello all, Jayme and I have been doing some additional testing for creating captioned videos for the video iPod and iTunes and have found different preset values work better when converting the captioned video for video iPods or iTunes delivery. In Macaw, under the "Make Style Choices" screen, we suggests the following presets: Type Size: 18 pt Caption Height: 48 pt Text and Background Colors: White Text on Black Background Justification: Center The training manual has been updated on the HTCTU site. If the intent is to display the captioned movie using iTunes (or for delivery on the iPod), make sure to export the movie from QuickTime Pro as MPEG-4. The MPEG-4 format will retain the caption track as part of the overall movie. If you export the captioned movie from QuickTime Pro for the iPod (.m4v format), then you seem to lose the caption content. We are doing some additional checking, but to retain the movie with captions, go with the MPEG-4 export. The iTunes application itself is still not very accessible for assistive computer technology so that is a major issue that needs to be resolved by Apple. Take care, Sean Sean Keegan Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges From gdietrich at htctu.net Fri Feb 2 16:19:06 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Repost: Intl Conference on Computers and Accessibility Message-ID: <001501c74728$bcea63d0$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Ninth International ACM SIGACCESS Conference on Computers and Accessibility October 14-17, 2007 Tempe , AZ, USA www.acm.org/sigaccess/assets07/ CALL FOR PAPERS The ASSETS series of conferences explores the potential for Computer and Information Technologies to enhance the lives of individuals with disabilities and those around them. ASSETS is the premier forum for presenting innovative research on the design and use of both mainstream and specialized assistive technologies to support people with disabilities. Since 1994, the Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) and its SIGACCESS Special Interest Group on Accessible Computing has sponsored the ASSETS series of conferences. This year's conference includes formal paper sessions, demonstrations, posters, a doctoral consortium, and a student research competition. The single track and friendly atmosphere make ASSETS the ideal venue to meet researchers, practitioners, developers and policymakers to exchange ideas, share information, and make new contacts. Topics High quality, original submissions on topics relevant to computers and accessibility are invited. This includes the use of technology by and in support of: * Individuals with hearing, sight and other sensory impairments, * Individuals with motor impairments, * Individuals with memory, learning and cognitive impairments, * Individuals with multiple impairments, * Older adults Submissions should present novel ideas, designs, techniques, systems, tools, evaluations, scientific investigations, methodologies, social issues or policy issues relating to: * assistive technologies that improve day-to-day life * assistive technologies that improve access to mainstream Computer and Information Technologies * innovative use of mainstream technologies to overcome access barriers * accessibility and usability of mainstream technologies * identification of barriers to technology access that are not addressed by existing research Where relevant, work that includes empirical data from the target user group is strongly preferred. Submission Procedures ASSETS accepts submissions in the following categories: * Technical papers * Posters * Demonstrations * Student research competition * Doctoral consortium All submissions will be peer-reviewed by an international panel. Submissions MUST contain substantial original, unpublished material. Please refer to the ACM policy on plagiarism for guidance. Important Dates * Request for Mentors: March 25, 2007 * Paper submission: May 25, 2007 * Poster and demo submission: June 22, 2007 * Doctoral consortium submission: July 13, 2007 * Student research competition submission: July 13, 2007 * Notification of acceptance (papers): July 6, 2007 * Notification of acceptance (posters and demos): July 20, 2007 * Notification of acceptance (Doctoral Consortium): July 20, 2007 * Notification of acceptance (Student Research Competition): July 20, 2007 * Camera-ready materials due: August 8, 2007 Technical Papers Accepted technical papers will be presented at the conference and will appear in the conference proceedings. Authors of the best papers will be invited to submit extended versions to a special issue of ACM Transactions on Accessible Computing (TACCESS). New this year, authors who have never published at ASSETS can request a mentor. Mentors will be experienced ASSETS contributors, who can help authors to improve their submissions. See the mentor program Web page ( http://www.acm.org/sigaccess/assets07/mentor ) for more information. Papers should be a maximum of 8 pages long, in the ACM conference format . They should be submitted electronically via the conference web site no later than May 25th, 2007. Posters and Demonstrations Posters and demonstration proposals should be submitted using the ACM conference format , and they are limited in length to 2 pages. Proposals will be reviewed, and accepted proposals will be included in the conference proceedings. Submissions (in PDF format) should be submitted electronically via the conference web site no later than June 22nd, 2007. Doctoral Consortium The ASSETS 2007 Doctoral Consortium will provide a forum for doctoral students to present their research plans and receive feedback from senior researchers, and promote contacts among students working in similar areas. Doctoral Consortium papers will appear in a special issue of the SIGACCESS newsletter. The focus of the Doctoral Consortium is on work in progress ? more advanced research should be submitted to the Student Research Competition or the main conference. Submissions will be due July 13, 2007; more information about the Consortium and submission instructions will be available shortly. Student Research Competition The ACM Student Research Competition (SRC) is an event open to undergraduate and graduate students, interested in presenting their research to a panel of experts. Students wishing to participate submit abstracts of their work. Qualifying research must deal with topics that are relevant to the mission of the ASSETS series, as described by the call-for-papers. Preference will be given to work that has been completed (or close to completion), and not submitted for presentation as a regular technical paper. Selected students will receive partial support from ACM to attend the conference. At the conference, entrants will display a poster and make a brief presentation to a panel of judges. A small number of semifinalists will be chosen by the judges to present their work in a conference session, and of those up to three students will be designated finalists by the judges, receive cash prizes and award certificates from the ACM, and a chance to compete in the SRC Grand Finals, whose winners will be recognized at the Annual ACM Awards Banquet. More information will be available shortly. Best Paper Awards The following awards will be made at ASSETS 2007: * Best technical paper (chosen from the technical program) * Best student paper (chosen from the technical program) The selection process for SIGACCESS Best Technical Paper Award and SIGACCESS Best Student Paper Award will be carried out by members of the program committee based on the technical paper review process. Papers to be considered for the Best Student Paper Award, must have the name of the student as first author and must be indicated as such on submission. Awardees will be presented with a certificate from ACM during the conference. ASSETS 2007 COMMITTEE General Chair: Enrico Pontelli ( New Mexico State University , USA ) Treasurer & Registration Chair: Laura Leventhal ( Bowling Green State University , USA ) Program Chair: Shari Trewin (IBM Research , USA ) Associate Chairs for Posters and Demos: Anna Dickinson ( University of Dundee , UK ) Joy Goodman ( University of Cambridge , UK ) Doctoral Consortium Chairs: Clayton Lewis ( University of Colorado , USA ) Sri Kurniawan ( University of Manchester , UK ) Student Research Competition Chair: Harriet Fell (Northeastern University , USA ) Publicity Chairs: Matt Huenerfauth ( CUNY Queens College , USA ) Valerie K. Leonard (Alucid Solution, Inc.) Web Development Chair: Klent Harkness ( Wichita State University , USA ) Local Organization Chair: John Black ( Arizona State University, USA) Technical Program Committee: Julio Abascal, University of the Basque Country, Spain Ray Adams, University of Middlesex, UK. John Arnott, University of Dundee, UK Chieko Asakawa, IBM Research, Japan Keith Bain, Saint Mary's University, Canada Armando Barreto, Florida International University, USA Cathy Bodine, Universityof Coloradoat Denver, USA Yevgen Borodin, SUNY Stony Brook, USA Sheryl Burgstahler, University of Washington, USA Noelle Carbonell, University Henri Poincare, LORIA, France Libby Cohen, University of Southern Maine, USA Sara Czaja, University of Miami, USA David Duce, OxfordBrookesUniversity, UK Alistair D.N. Edwards, University of York, UK D. Gareth Evans, University of Manchester, UK Harriet Fell, Northeastern University, USA Jinjuan Feng, Towson University, USA Torsten Felzer, DarmstadtUniversity of Technology, Germany Joan Francioni, Winona State University, USA Peter Gregor, University of Dundee, UK Vicki Hanson, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center, USA Lynda Hardman, CWI, The Netherlands Simon Harper, University of Manchester, UK Klent Harkness, Wichita State University, USA Terri Hedgepeth, Arizona State University, USA Sarah Horton, Dartmouth College, USA Julie Howell, RNIB, UK(until November 2006) Matt Huenerfauth, The City University of New York, USA Julie Jacko, Georgia Institute of Technology, USA Arthur Karshmer, University of San Francisco, USA Karyn Moffatt, University of British Columbia, Canada Simeon Keates, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center, USA Richard Ladner, University of Washington, USA Chris Law, UMBC, USA Jonathan Lazar, Towson University, USA V. Kathlene Leonard, Alucid Solution Inc., USA Clayton Lewis, Universityof Coloradoat Boulder, USA Edmund LoPresti, AT Sciences, USA Jennifer Mankoff, Carnegie-Mellon Unversity, USA Kathleen McCoy, University of Delaware, USA Klaus Miesenberger, University of Linz, Austria Michael Muller, IBM Research, USA Sethuraman Panchanathan, Arizona State University, USA Helen Petrie, University of York, UK Michael Pieper, Fraunhofer-FIT, Germany Antti Pirhonen, University of Jyvaskyla, Finland Enrico Pontelli, New Mexico State University, USA Jaime Sanchez, University of Chile, Chile Andrew Sears, UMBC, USA David Sloan, University of Dundee, UK Michael J Smith, Fujitsu Consulting, USA Neil Soiffer, Design Science Inc., USA Constantine Stephanidis, FORTH ICS, Greece Robert Stevens, University of Manchester, UK Hironobu Takagi, IBM Research, Japan Marilyn Tremaine, New Jersey Institute of Technology, USA Olga De Troyer, Vrije Universiteit Brussel, Belgium Gerhard Weber, Multimedia Campus Kiel, Germany Yeliz Yesilada, University of Manchester, UK -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rosenthal, ATACP Graduate President and CEO Next Generation Technologies Inc. 20006 Cedar Valley Rd. #101 Lynnwood, WA 98036-6334 Ph: 425-744-1100 ext. 15 Fx: 425-778-5547 Em: edward@ngtvoice.com URL: www.ngtvoice.com This document may have been generated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking Medical version 9A and/or handwriting recognition on a Motion LE1600 Tablet PC... please disregard remaining misrecognitions or unusual formatting. _____ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Fri Feb 23 18:13:02 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN E-Journal Vol 2 now live Message-ID: <000001c757b9$55bf11a0$013d34e0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Good evening, It is my pleasure to announce that the second issue of the ATHEN E-Journal is now live and available for your reading enjoyment at: http://athenpro.org/node/52 I would like to thank Cyndi Rowland for all her hard work as this issues quest editor, and to Sean Keegan the ATHEN webmaster for all the effort he extended in getting it web-ready. I would also like to extend my personal thanks to each of the authors represented. I am sure you will find the articles as informative and as insightful as I have. 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For those of you attending CSUN, we are still looking for volunteers to staff the table that Howard Kramer and the AHG Conference has been so kind to allow us to share (Thank you Howard!) ATHEN 2007 CSUN Presentations BLV-2117 - Wednesday @ 9:20 AM Planting Textbooks & Harvesting DAISY's: A Model Program for E-Text Production Daniel Berkowitz Boston University PSE-2107 - Wednesday @ 10:40 AM Accessibility of Electronic and Online Assessment Tools Saroj Primlani and Lisa Fiedor North Carolina State University PSE-1106 - Wednesday @ 12:00 PM TAAT: Technical Assistance on Access Technology Teresa Haven University of Arkansas PSE-1105 - Wednesday @ 12:00 PM Innovative Practices in AT Training for LD (Dyslexic) Students E.A. Draffan, Paul Blenkhorn and Gareth Evans University of Manchester (UK) WWW-1117 - Wednesday @ 2:50 PM PowerPoint & Friends: Accessible Slides on the Web Terry Thompson DO-IT, University of Washington BLV-1164 - Thursday @ 9:20 AM Remote Access Bridge: Cross-Platform Accessible Remote Access to the Linux Desktop Sina Bahram and Mike Grace North Carolina State University YRS-2100 - Thursday @ 1:45 PM Voice Recognition Ready for Transcriptions - A Reality Check, Saroj Primlani and Hal Meeks North Carolina State University PSE-1103 - Friday @ 10:40 AM The Power of Story: Changing a Faculty Culture Jean Wells CSU East Bay WWW-1139 - Friday @ 10:40 AM Opening Doors: Mentoring on the Internet Sheryl Burgstahler and Scott Bellman DO-IT, University of Washington WWW-1118 - Friday @ 1:45 PM Research on Accessibility of Higher Education Websites Sheryl Burgstahler and Terry Thompson DO-IT, University of Washington PSE-2104 - Saturday @ 9:20 AM 'Sound Beam' as Adaptive Technology in Post-Secondary Setting Wink Harner and Keith Heffner Mesa Community College ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability From sherylb at u.washington.edu Mon Feb 26 05:46:01 2007 From: sherylb at u.washington.edu (Sheryl Burgstahler) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Second Call for CSUN Presentations In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E4AB@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <001501c74728$bcea63d0$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E4AB@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: DO-IT has a booth again this year. We don't have our full staffing schedule together, but we can help cover the table exhibit when our staff coverage allows. Sheryl ------------------------------------------------------------------- Sheryl Burgstahler, Ph.D. Director, DO-IT & UW Accessible Technology Services Computing & Communications University of Washington, Box 355670 Seattle, WA 98195 206-543-0622 FAX 206-221-4171 http://staff.washington.edu/sherylb sherylb@u.washington.edu On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, Berkowitz, Daniel J wrote: > Hello all -- > > Listed below by schedule are the CSUN 2007 presentations by ATHEN > members. For those of you presenting - please take a look see to make > sure all is in order OR add to the list if I missed you. For those of > you attending CSUN, we are still looking for volunteers to staff the > table that Howard Kramer and the AHG Conference has been so kind to > allow us to share (Thank you Howard!) > > > ATHEN 2007 CSUN Presentations > > > > BLV-2117 - Wednesday @ 9:20 AM > > Planting Textbooks & Harvesting DAISY's: A Model Program for E-Text Production > > Daniel Berkowitz > > Boston University > > > > PSE-2107 - Wednesday @ 10:40 AM > > Accessibility of Electronic and Online Assessment Tools > > Saroj Primlani and Lisa Fiedor > > North Carolina State University > > > > PSE-1106 - Wednesday @ 12:00 PM > > TAAT: Technical Assistance on Access Technology > > Teresa Haven > > University of Arkansas > > > > PSE-1105 - Wednesday @ 12:00 PM > > Innovative Practices in AT Training for LD (Dyslexic) Students > > E.A. Draffan, Paul Blenkhorn and Gareth Evans > > University of Manchester (UK) > > > > WWW-1117 - Wednesday @ 2:50 PM > > PowerPoint & Friends: Accessible Slides on the Web > > Terry Thompson > > DO-IT, University of Washington > > > > BLV-1164 - Thursday @ 9:20 AM > Remote Access Bridge: Cross-Platform Accessible Remote Access to the Linux > Desktop > > Sina Bahram and Mike Grace > North Carolina State University > > > YRS-2100 - Thursday @ 1:45 PM > Voice Recognition Ready for Transcriptions - A Reality Check, > Saroj Primlani and Hal Meeks > > North Carolina State University > > PSE-1103 - Friday @ 10:40 AM > The Power of Story: Changing a Faculty Culture > Jean Wells > CSU East Bay > > WWW-1139 - Friday @ 10:40 AM > > Opening Doors: Mentoring on the Internet > Sheryl Burgstahler and Scott Bellman > DO-IT, University of Washington > > > > WWW-1118 - Friday @ 1:45 PM > > Research on Accessibility of Higher Education Websites > > Sheryl Burgstahler and Terry Thompson > > DO-IT, University of Washington > > > > PSE-2104 - Saturday @ 9:20 AM > > 'Sound Beam' as Adaptive Technology in Post-Secondary Setting > Wink Harner and Keith Heffner > > Mesa Community College > > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From djbrky at bu.edu Tue Feb 27 08:02:28 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: [Access Technologists Higher Education Network] EDUCAUSE2006 Podcast: Making ... Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711601489EC3@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Presentations from the 2006 EDUCAUSE annual conference are starting to find their way to the web. Among them is this one on Making Web Sites Accessible . Here are the details: More Than Just an Internet Connection: What You Need to Know About Making Web Sites Accessible * Gregory Fierro, Coordinator, Disability Resource Center : Manatee Community College * Feng Hou, CIO, Manatee Community College * Cortney Wanca, Web Master, Manatee Community College Abstract Institutions are accustomed to posting information on the Web, but making sure it is accessible to persons with disabilities is too often an afterthought. Get introduced to Web accessibility and its legal background to understand why you should plan ahead for accessibility. Learn the challenges faced by persons with specific disabilities and basic techniques for compliance. -- Posted By D. Berkowitz to Access Technologists Higher Education Network at 2/27/2007 10:33:00 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djbrky at bu.edu Wed Feb 28 05:12:06 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] DMCA and Fair Use Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116015292CD@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> The conversations we as a profession typically have regarding Fair Use and Copyright tend to focus on Chaffee and Copyright Law. It has never been clear to me how the DMCA impacts what we do -- if at all. Anyone have info on this? Or should I not be concerned? http://blog.washingtonpost.com/posttech/2007/02/digital_fair_use_bill_in troduc.html Digital 'Fair Use' Bill Introduced In Congress: Today, Reps. Rich Boucher (D-Va.) and John Dolittle (R-Calif.) introduced what they call the "Freedom and Innovation Revitalizing U.S. Entrepreneurship" (or FAIR USE) Act they say will make it easier for digital media consumers to use the content they buy. The lawmakers seek to amend the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which content-makers, such as movie studios and record labels, fought to pass to protect their wares from getting stolen and pirated. But that law goes too far, the lawmakers say. "The Digital Millennium Copyright Act dramatically tilted the copyright balance toward complete copyright protection at the expense of the public's right to fair use," Boucher said in a statement. "Without a change in the law, individuals will be less willing to purchase digital media if their use of the media within the home is severely circumscribed and the manufacturers of equipment and software that enables circumvention for legitimate purposes will be reluctant to introduce the products into the market." The legislation is being backed by the Consumer Electronics Association, the trade group of electronics-makers, among others. ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability From Kerri_Hicks at brown.edu Wed Feb 28 06:06:14 2007 From: Kerri_Hicks at brown.edu (Kerri Hicks) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] DMCA and Fair Use In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116015292CD@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116015292CD@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: On Feb 28, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Berkowitz, Daniel J wrote: > The conversations we as a profession typically have regarding Fair Use > and Copyright tend to focus on Chaffee and Copyright Law. It has never > been clear to me how the DMCA impacts what we do -- if at all. Anyone > have info on this? Or should I not be concerned? The DCMA has a huge impact on what we do in our shop. I work primarily with humanities faculty who often want to use, for example, multimedia materials in their research or presentations. The DCMA makes it illegal to circumvent digital rights management/copy protection to extract portions of those works to include in other works. While current Fair Use provisions allow us to *use the material*, it is illegal to *extract the material* to use, if that material is protected by some sort of digital rights management or copy protection. The DCMA states, "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title." It doesn't matter that you'd be circumventing it to use the content in a legal way (for example, within the provisions of Fair Use or the Home Recording Act), it's still illegal to bully past the copy protection. Here's John Doolittle's explanation of the new bill: "The Freedom And Innovation Revitalizing U.S. Entrepreneurship Act of 2007 (FAIR USE Act) will allow consumers, teachers, and libraries to circumvent a technological copy protection measure in order to utilize ? but not pirate ? content. It will also ensure that hardware and software manufacturers continue to have the right to manufacture and distribute their products for lawful use without penalty of law." I'm in vehement support of it. :-) -- Kerri A. Hicks Senior Analyst Scholarly Technology Group Computing and Information Services Brown University From Sarah.Horton at Dartmouth.EDU Wed Feb 28 12:15:03 2007 From: Sarah.Horton at Dartmouth.EDU (Sarah Horton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] DMCA and Fair Use Message-ID: <79651970@comet.Dartmouth.EDU> --- Kerri A. Hicks wrote: While current Fair Use provisions allow us to *use the material*, it is illegal to *extract the material* to use, if that material is protected by some sort of digital rights management or copy protection. --- end of quote --- Hi, Kerri! I'm new here and can tell already already I'm going to learn a lot from this list! This copyright stuff makes my head spin, but I was wondering about how the November 2006 "Rulemaking on Exemptions from Prohibition on Circumvention of Technological Measures that Control Access to Copyrighted Works" figures into the discussion. It seems to allow circumvention in an educationcal context - at least for media studies and film professors! http://www.copyright.gov/1201/ Best, Sarah Sarah Horton Academic Computing Dartmouth College Hanover, NH USA sarah.horton@dartmouth.edu http://www.dartmouth.edu/~shorton/ From Kerri_Hicks at brown.edu Wed Feb 28 13:00:49 2007 From: Kerri_Hicks at brown.edu (Kerri Hicks) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] DMCA and Fair Use In-Reply-To: <79651970@comet.Dartmouth.EDU> References: <79651970@comet.Dartmouth.EDU> Message-ID: <96876813-3D4B-4F2B-A628-9EEE56BD77B1@brown.edu> On Feb 28, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Sarah Horton wrote: > Hi, Kerri! I'm new here and can tell already already I'm going to > learn a lot from this list! Fancy meeting you here! How's your new CIO? ;-) > This copyright stuff makes my head spin, but I was wondering about > how the November 2006 "Rulemaking on Exemptions from Prohibition > on Circumvention of Technological Measures that Control Access to > Copyrighted Works" figures into the discussion. It seems to allow > circumvention in an educationcal context - at least for media > studies and film professors! The exemptions from late last year are really specific in what they cover. As far as I know, they don't cover, for example, a song that a professor might download from iTunes, or a snippet of video from a DVD that has Macrovision protection. That the new proposal seems to cover a broader audience and a greater number of media types and uses. Also, the November 2006 rule is set to expire October 27, 2009. --Kerri