From pratikp1 at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 14:07:30 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Message-ID: <010a01c7304c$bc5f7a10$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> Hello all, In anticipation of the upcoming Windows Vista operating system release, please see the following page to learn more about the keyboard shortcuts that will be available in the new OS. Keyboard shortcuts URL: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/2503b91d-d780-4c80-8f08- 2f48878dc5661033.mspx Pratik patel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pratikp1 at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 01:45:34 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts In-Reply-To: <000d01c730a7$165661a0$0a01a8c0@laptop> Message-ID: <003b01c730ae$403b7670$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> E.A., (with a copy to the list) Happy new year to you as well. According to the public statements that Freedomscientific and GW Micro have made, screen reader updates will be released at approximately the same time as Vista's expected launch--end of january. I've been told by Freedomscientific reps that Magic will be ready a few weeks after vista's launch. By that, I generally expect Magic timetable to be slightly more delayed. I would think that magic should be ready by csun. I've not heard anything about ZoomText and its expected readiness. I am also not familiar with dolphin's time table. (Ron, can you comment?) Nuance expects to release a service pack update to Dragon 9 for Vista compatibility in late january. Earlier versions of Dragon do not expect to be supported. Institutions using Nuance's Omnipage 15 will have to purchase new licenses for the product. There will be no service releases for some reason. I posed the question to kurzweil about Kurzweils 1000 and 3000 compatibility earlier today. I'll let you know when I hear more. As I understand it, there will be an update to WYNN late summer to early fall. As to a blog, stay tuned ... Where's Dan when we need him! I hope that's somewhat helpful. Regards, Pratik -----Original Message----- From: E.A. Draffan [mailto:ea@emptech.info] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:54 AM To: pratikp1@gmail.com Subject: RE: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Thank you so much for this update - folks are getting a bit eager over here to try Vista, but I have a feeling they need to wait and I wondered if you knew of any blog or discussion that was advising about suitable timescales for using Vista with screen readers and other A.T? Many thanks for your help and Happy New Year. Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:08 PM To: pratikp1@gmail.com; VICUG-L@LISTSERV.ICORS.ORG; blindtech@yahoogroups.com; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'; 'Alternate Media'; access-l@access-l.com Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Hello all, In anticipation of the upcoming Windows Vista operating system release, please see the following page to learn more about the keyboard shortcuts that will be available in the new OS. Keyboard shortcuts URL: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/2503b91d-d780-4c80-8f08- 2f48878dc5661033.mspx Pratik patel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 From ron at ahead.org Fri Jan 5 06:03:24 2007 From: ron at ahead.org ('Ron Stewart') Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts In-Reply-To: <003b01c730ae$403b7670$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> Message-ID: <002501c730d2$44b2c360$0800000a@RONMOBILE> Good morning, Here is an update as of yesterday afternoon from a variety of sources: GW does foresee any problems with their products, FS will release Vista compliant Betas at the end of the month probably go to release at CSUN. VISTA is requiring a total rewrite of their products so expect a lot of issues early on, remember the Windows NT fiasco. WYNN is going to be a real problem so probably about a year out. MAGIC has a lot of other issues as well with compatibility with other AT but once they get the JAWS issues dealt with, Magic typically is the next problem child. Dolphin (yes there is a third player that we need to remember!) does not foresee a lot of issues, but projects a late stage beta by CSUN. Kurzweil has made no public announcements but expect K3000 to be at least in Beta by CSUN, K1000 is always way behind and will have more issues to deal with. AiSquared got bought this year so we will probably see some kind of tangible beta by CSUN. Scanner engine problems with both Omnipage and Abbyy, so all the products that are based on the Abbyy engines will need to be upgraded to the latest engine. Anyone else got some gossip to add to the pot. Here is a reality check as well, less than 15% of commercial organizations will migrate to VISTA in 2007, 25% of HE is planning on migrating, and at the Federal level it may be a couple of years based on past history. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:46 AM To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts E.A., (with a copy to the list) Happy new year to you as well. According to the public statements that Freedomscientific and GW Micro have made, screen reader updates will be released at approximately the same time as Vista's expected launch--end of january. I've been told by Freedomscientific reps that Magic will be ready a few weeks after vista's launch. By that, I generally expect Magic timetable to be slightly more delayed. I would think that magic should be ready by csun. I've not heard anything about ZoomText and its expected readiness. I am also not familiar with dolphin's time table. (Ron, can you comment?) Nuance expects to release a service pack update to Dragon 9 for Vista compatibility in late january. Earlier versions of Dragon do not expect to be supported. Institutions using Nuance's Omnipage 15 will have to purchase new licenses for the product. There will be no service releases for some reason. I posed the question to kurzweil about Kurzweils 1000 and 3000 compatibility earlier today. I'll let you know when I hear more. As I understand it, there will be an update to WYNN late summer to early fall. As to a blog, stay tuned ... Where's Dan when we need him! I hope that's somewhat helpful. Regards, Pratik -----Original Message----- From: E.A. Draffan [mailto:ea@emptech.info] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:54 AM To: pratikp1@gmail.com Subject: RE: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Thank you so much for this update - folks are getting a bit eager over here to try Vista, but I have a feeling they need to wait and I wondered if you knew of any blog or discussion that was advising about suitable timescales for using Vista with screen readers and other A.T? Many thanks for your help and Happy New Year. Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:08 PM To: pratikp1@gmail.com; VICUG-L@LISTSERV.ICORS.ORG; blindtech@yahoogroups.com; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'; 'Alternate Media'; access-l@access-l.com Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Hello all, In anticipation of the upcoming Windows Vista operating system release, please see the following page to learn more about the keyboard shortcuts that will be available in the new OS. Keyboard shortcuts URL: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/2503b91d-d780-4c80-8f08- 2f48878dc5661033.mspx Pratik patel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From djbrky at bu.edu Fri Jan 5 06:36:32 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts In-Reply-To: <002501c730d2$44b2c360$0800000a@RONMOBILE> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116010A95@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Just like my tastes in music and clothes -- I am sticking with Win-XP till they pry my cold arthritic hands off my keyboard! ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of 'Ron Stewart' >Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 9:03 AM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts > >Good morning, > >Here is an update as of yesterday afternoon from a variety of sources: > >GW does foresee any problems with their products, > >FS will release Vista compliant Betas at the end of the month probably go >to >release at CSUN. VISTA is requiring a total rewrite of their products so >expect a lot of issues early on, remember the Windows NT fiasco. WYNN is >going to be a real problem so probably about a year out. MAGIC has a lot >of >other issues as well with compatibility with other AT but once they get the >JAWS issues dealt with, Magic typically is the next problem child. > >Dolphin (yes there is a third player that we need to remember!) does not >foresee a lot of issues, but projects a late stage beta by CSUN. > >Kurzweil has made no public announcements but expect K3000 to be at least >in >Beta by CSUN, K1000 is always way behind and will have more issues to deal >with. > >AiSquared got bought this year so we will probably see some kind of >tangible >beta by CSUN. > >Scanner engine problems with both Omnipage and Abbyy, so all the products >that are based on the Abbyy engines will need to be upgraded to the latest >engine. > > > >Anyone else got some gossip to add to the pot. Here is a reality check as >well, less than 15% of commercial organizations will migrate to VISTA in >2007, 25% of HE is planning on migrating, and at the Federal level it may >be >a couple of years based on past history. > >Ron Stewart > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Pratik Patel >Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:46 AM >To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts > >E.A., (with a copy to the list) > >Happy new year to you as well. > > According to the public statements that Freedomscientific and GW >Micro have made, screen reader updates will be released at approximately >the >same time as Vista's expected launch--end of january. I've been told by >Freedomscientific reps that Magic will be ready a few weeks after vista's >launch. By that, I generally expect Magic timetable to be slightly more >delayed. I would think that magic should be ready by csun. I've not heard >anything about ZoomText and its expected readiness. I am also not familiar >with dolphin's time table. (Ron, can you comment?) > >Nuance expects to release a service pack update to Dragon 9 for Vista >compatibility in late january. Earlier versions of Dragon do not expect to >be supported. > >Institutions using Nuance's Omnipage 15 will have to purchase new licenses >for the product. There will be no service releases for some reason. > >I posed the question to kurzweil about Kurzweils 1000 and 3000 >compatibility >earlier today. I'll let you know when I hear more. > >As I understand it, there will be an update to WYNN late summer to early >fall. > >As to a blog, stay tuned ... Where's Dan when we need him! > >I hope that's somewhat helpful. > >Regards, > >Pratik > > >-----Original Message----- >From: E.A. Draffan [mailto:ea@emptech.info] >Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:54 AM >To: pratikp1@gmail.com >Subject: RE: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts > >Thank you so much for this update - folks are getting a bit eager over here >to try Vista, but I have a feeling they need to wait and I wondered if you >knew of any blog or discussion that was advising about suitable timescales >for using Vista with screen readers and other A.T? > >Many thanks for your help and Happy New Year. > > >Best Wishes E.A. > >Mrs E.A. Draffan >Assistive Technologist >Mobile: 07976 289103 >http://www.emptech.info/ > > > > >________________________________ > >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Pratik Patel >Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:08 PM >To: pratikp1@gmail.com; VICUG-L@LISTSERV.ICORS.ORG; >blindtech@yahoogroups.com; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education >Network'; 'Alternate Media'; access-l@access-l.com >Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts > > >Hello all, > >In anticipation of the upcoming Windows Vista operating system release, >please see the following page to learn more about the keyboard shortcuts >that will be available in the new OS. > > >Keyboard shortcuts >URL: >http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/2503b91d-d780-4c80- >8f08- >2f48878dc5661033.mspx > >Pratik patel > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ea at emptech.info Fri Jan 5 06:57:26 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts In-Reply-To: <002501c730d2$44b2c360$0800000a@RONMOBILE> Message-ID: <007c01c730d9$db8ff670$0a01a8c0@laptop> Thank you so very much for that help - really useful as I suspect the questions are going to be asked at our Educational Tech Show next week. Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of 'Ron Stewart' Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 2:03 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Good morning, Here is an update as of yesterday afternoon from a variety of sources: GW does foresee any problems with their products, FS will release Vista compliant Betas at the end of the month probably go to release at CSUN. VISTA is requiring a total rewrite of their products so expect a lot of issues early on, remember the Windows NT fiasco. WYNN is going to be a real problem so probably about a year out. MAGIC has a lot of other issues as well with compatibility with other AT but once they get the JAWS issues dealt with, Magic typically is the next problem child. Dolphin (yes there is a third player that we need to remember!) does not foresee a lot of issues, but projects a late stage beta by CSUN. Kurzweil has made no public announcements but expect K3000 to be at least in Beta by CSUN, K1000 is always way behind and will have more issues to deal with. AiSquared got bought this year so we will probably see some kind of tangible beta by CSUN. Scanner engine problems with both Omnipage and Abbyy, so all the products that are based on the Abbyy engines will need to be upgraded to the latest engine. Anyone else got some gossip to add to the pot. Here is a reality check as well, less than 15% of commercial organizations will migrate to VISTA in 2007, 25% of HE is planning on migrating, and at the Federal level it may be a couple of years based on past history. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:46 AM To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts E.A., (with a copy to the list) Happy new year to you as well. According to the public statements that Freedomscientific and GW Micro have made, screen reader updates will be released at approximately the same time as Vista's expected launch--end of january. I've been told by Freedomscientific reps that Magic will be ready a few weeks after vista's launch. By that, I generally expect Magic timetable to be slightly more delayed. I would think that magic should be ready by csun. I've not heard anything about ZoomText and its expected readiness. I am also not familiar with dolphin's time table. (Ron, can you comment?) Nuance expects to release a service pack update to Dragon 9 for Vista compatibility in late january. Earlier versions of Dragon do not expect to be supported. Institutions using Nuance's Omnipage 15 will have to purchase new licenses for the product. There will be no service releases for some reason. I posed the question to kurzweil about Kurzweils 1000 and 3000 compatibility earlier today. I'll let you know when I hear more. As I understand it, there will be an update to WYNN late summer to early fall. As to a blog, stay tuned ... Where's Dan when we need him! I hope that's somewhat helpful. Regards, Pratik -----Original Message----- From: E.A. Draffan [mailto:ea@emptech.info] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:54 AM To: pratikp1@gmail.com Subject: RE: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Thank you so much for this update - folks are getting a bit eager over here to try Vista, but I have a feeling they need to wait and I wondered if you knew of any blog or discussion that was advising about suitable timescales for using Vista with screen readers and other A.T? Many thanks for your help and Happy New Year. Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:08 PM To: pratikp1@gmail.com; VICUG-L@LISTSERV.ICORS.ORG; blindtech@yahoogroups.com; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'; 'Alternate Media'; access-l@access-l.com Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Hello all, In anticipation of the upcoming Windows Vista operating system release, please see the following page to learn more about the keyboard shortcuts that will be available in the new OS. Keyboard shortcuts URL: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/2503b91d-d780-4c80-8f08- 2f48878dc5661033.mspx Pratik patel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.5/616 - Release Date: 04/01/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.5/616 - Release Date: 04/01/2007 From pratikp1 at gmail.com Fri Jan 5 07:36:57 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts In-Reply-To: <002501c730d2$44b2c360$0800000a@RONMOBILE> Message-ID: <00f201c730df$570fc500$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> Ron et al, Your FS info seems to be different than mine. But not surprising. For the first year or so, I don't plan to run Vista anywhere but in a virtual machine. I wonder how that'll play with Video Intercepts/DCM. Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of 'Ron Stewart' Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 9:03 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Good morning, Here is an update as of yesterday afternoon from a variety of sources: GW does foresee any problems with their products, FS will release Vista compliant Betas at the end of the month probably go to release at CSUN. VISTA is requiring a total rewrite of their products so expect a lot of issues early on, remember the Windows NT fiasco. WYNN is going to be a real problem so probably about a year out. MAGIC has a lot of other issues as well with compatibility with other AT but once they get the JAWS issues dealt with, Magic typically is the next problem child. Dolphin (yes there is a third player that we need to remember!) does not foresee a lot of issues, but projects a late stage beta by CSUN. Kurzweil has made no public announcements but expect K3000 to be at least in Beta by CSUN, K1000 is always way behind and will have more issues to deal with. AiSquared got bought this year so we will probably see some kind of tangible beta by CSUN. Scanner engine problems with both Omnipage and Abbyy, so all the products that are based on the Abbyy engines will need to be upgraded to the latest engine. Anyone else got some gossip to add to the pot. Here is a reality check as well, less than 15% of commercial organizations will migrate to VISTA in 2007, 25% of HE is planning on migrating, and at the Federal level it may be a couple of years based on past history. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:46 AM To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts E.A., (with a copy to the list) Happy new year to you as well. According to the public statements that Freedomscientific and GW Micro have made, screen reader updates will be released at approximately the same time as Vista's expected launch--end of january. I've been told by Freedomscientific reps that Magic will be ready a few weeks after vista's launch. By that, I generally expect Magic timetable to be slightly more delayed. I would think that magic should be ready by csun. I've not heard anything about ZoomText and its expected readiness. I am also not familiar with dolphin's time table. (Ron, can you comment?) Nuance expects to release a service pack update to Dragon 9 for Vista compatibility in late january. Earlier versions of Dragon do not expect to be supported. Institutions using Nuance's Omnipage 15 will have to purchase new licenses for the product. There will be no service releases for some reason. I posed the question to kurzweil about Kurzweils 1000 and 3000 compatibility earlier today. I'll let you know when I hear more. As I understand it, there will be an update to WYNN late summer to early fall. As to a blog, stay tuned ... Where's Dan when we need him! I hope that's somewhat helpful. Regards, Pratik -----Original Message----- From: E.A. Draffan [mailto:ea@emptech.info] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:54 AM To: pratikp1@gmail.com Subject: RE: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Thank you so much for this update - folks are getting a bit eager over here to try Vista, but I have a feeling they need to wait and I wondered if you knew of any blog or discussion that was advising about suitable timescales for using Vista with screen readers and other A.T? Many thanks for your help and Happy New Year. Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:08 PM To: pratikp1@gmail.com; VICUG-L@LISTSERV.ICORS.ORG; blindtech@yahoogroups.com; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'; 'Alternate Media'; access-l@access-l.com Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Hello all, In anticipation of the upcoming Windows Vista operating system release, please see the following page to learn more about the keyboard shortcuts that will be available in the new OS. Keyboard shortcuts URL: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/2503b91d-d780-4c80-8f08- 2f48878dc5661033.mspx Pratik patel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Fri Jan 5 07:54:45 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts In-Reply-To: <00f201c730df$570fc500$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> Message-ID: <007501c730e1$d557e2b0$0800000a@RONMOBILE> Anything that is not MSAA fully compliant will have problems, or whatever they are calling it in VISTA. DCM has always been a joke as far as I am concerned, great idea poorly implemented. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:37 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Ron et al, Your FS info seems to be different than mine. But not surprising. For the first year or so, I don't plan to run Vista anywhere but in a virtual machine. I wonder how that'll play with Video Intercepts/DCM. Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of 'Ron Stewart' Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 9:03 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Good morning, Here is an update as of yesterday afternoon from a variety of sources: GW does foresee any problems with their products, FS will release Vista compliant Betas at the end of the month probably go to release at CSUN. VISTA is requiring a total rewrite of their products so expect a lot of issues early on, remember the Windows NT fiasco. WYNN is going to be a real problem so probably about a year out. MAGIC has a lot of other issues as well with compatibility with other AT but once they get the JAWS issues dealt with, Magic typically is the next problem child. Dolphin (yes there is a third player that we need to remember!) does not foresee a lot of issues, but projects a late stage beta by CSUN. Kurzweil has made no public announcements but expect K3000 to be at least in Beta by CSUN, K1000 is always way behind and will have more issues to deal with. AiSquared got bought this year so we will probably see some kind of tangible beta by CSUN. Scanner engine problems with both Omnipage and Abbyy, so all the products that are based on the Abbyy engines will need to be upgraded to the latest engine. Anyone else got some gossip to add to the pot. Here is a reality check as well, less than 15% of commercial organizations will migrate to VISTA in 2007, 25% of HE is planning on migrating, and at the Federal level it may be a couple of years based on past history. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:46 AM To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts E.A., (with a copy to the list) Happy new year to you as well. According to the public statements that Freedomscientific and GW Micro have made, screen reader updates will be released at approximately the same time as Vista's expected launch--end of january. I've been told by Freedomscientific reps that Magic will be ready a few weeks after vista's launch. By that, I generally expect Magic timetable to be slightly more delayed. I would think that magic should be ready by csun. I've not heard anything about ZoomText and its expected readiness. I am also not familiar with dolphin's time table. (Ron, can you comment?) Nuance expects to release a service pack update to Dragon 9 for Vista compatibility in late january. Earlier versions of Dragon do not expect to be supported. Institutions using Nuance's Omnipage 15 will have to purchase new licenses for the product. There will be no service releases for some reason. I posed the question to kurzweil about Kurzweils 1000 and 3000 compatibility earlier today. I'll let you know when I hear more. As I understand it, there will be an update to WYNN late summer to early fall. As to a blog, stay tuned ... Where's Dan when we need him! I hope that's somewhat helpful. Regards, Pratik -----Original Message----- From: E.A. Draffan [mailto:ea@emptech.info] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:54 AM To: pratikp1@gmail.com Subject: RE: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Thank you so much for this update - folks are getting a bit eager over here to try Vista, but I have a feeling they need to wait and I wondered if you knew of any blog or discussion that was advising about suitable timescales for using Vista with screen readers and other A.T? Many thanks for your help and Happy New Year. Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:08 PM To: pratikp1@gmail.com; VICUG-L@LISTSERV.ICORS.ORG; blindtech@yahoogroups.com; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'; 'Alternate Media'; access-l@access-l.com Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Hello all, In anticipation of the upcoming Windows Vista operating system release, please see the following page to learn more about the keyboard shortcuts that will be available in the new OS. Keyboard shortcuts URL: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/2503b91d-d780-4c80-8f08- 2f48878dc5661033.mspx Pratik patel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From john.gardner at orst.edu Fri Jan 5 10:35:34 2007 From: john.gardner at orst.edu (John Gardner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts In-Reply-To: <002501c730d2$44b2c360$0800000a@RONMOBILE> Message-ID: <000401c730f8$4c345830$a11919ac@johnz> Hello folks from your seldom-heard lurker. Update on ViewPlus products is that new ViewPlus printer drivers are available for VISTA. They are back-compatible with 2000 and XP. We're adding another couple of enhancements as well so we won't post them until after end of January. If anybody needs a copy before they get to the web site, just ask, and I'll send it to you. I guess most of you will avoid Vista as long as possible. Wise. Our Tiger Software Suite 4.0 release works with Vista as well as Office 2007. IVEO 2.0 and Audio Graphing Calculator release 3.0 also work with Vista. Both should be shipping by CSUN time. The "final beta" of Vista has substantial differences from the former final beta, and we had to fix nearly all our software last month. Yet again. Our fixes were not too difficult, but my guess is that screen reader companies had a bigger job, so have some sympathy for them. We're not gonna actually release anything with a claim of Vista compliance until the real commercial Vista copy is available. I'll leave you to figure out why. Happy new year. John John The new Tiger -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of 'Ron Stewart' Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 6:03 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Good morning, Here is an update as of yesterday afternoon from a variety of sources: GW does foresee any problems with their products, FS will release Vista compliant Betas at the end of the month probably go to release at CSUN. VISTA is requiring a total rewrite of their products so expect a lot of issues early on, remember the Windows NT fiasco. WYNN is going to be a real problem so probably about a year out. MAGIC has a lot of other issues as well with compatibility with other AT but once they get the JAWS issues dealt with, Magic typically is the next problem child. Dolphin (yes there is a third player that we need to remember!) does not foresee a lot of issues, but projects a late stage beta by CSUN. Kurzweil has made no public announcements but expect K3000 to be at least in Beta by CSUN, K1000 is always way behind and will have more issues to deal with. AiSquared got bought this year so we will probably see some kind of tangible beta by CSUN. Scanner engine problems with both Omnipage and Abbyy, so all the products that are based on the Abbyy engines will need to be upgraded to the latest engine. Anyone else got some gossip to add to the pot. Here is a reality check as well, less than 15% of commercial organizations will migrate to VISTA in 2007, 25% of HE is planning on migrating, and at the Federal level it may be a couple of years based on past history. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:46 AM To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts E.A., (with a copy to the list) Happy new year to you as well. According to the public statements that Freedomscientific and GW Micro have made, screen reader updates will be released at approximately the same time as Vista's expected launch--end of january. I've been told by Freedomscientific reps that Magic will be ready a few weeks after vista's launch. By that, I generally expect Magic timetable to be slightly more delayed. I would think that magic should be ready by csun. I've not heard anything about ZoomText and its expected readiness. I am also not familiar with dolphin's time table. (Ron, can you comment?) Nuance expects to release a service pack update to Dragon 9 for Vista compatibility in late january. Earlier versions of Dragon do not expect to be supported. Institutions using Nuance's Omnipage 15 will have to purchase new licenses for the product. There will be no service releases for some reason. I posed the question to kurzweil about Kurzweils 1000 and 3000 compatibility earlier today. I'll let you know when I hear more. As I understand it, there will be an update to WYNN late summer to early fall. As to a blog, stay tuned ... Where's Dan when we need him! I hope that's somewhat helpful. Regards, Pratik -----Original Message----- From: E.A. Draffan [mailto:ea@emptech.info] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:54 AM To: pratikp1@gmail.com Subject: RE: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Thank you so much for this update - folks are getting a bit eager over here to try Vista, but I have a feeling they need to wait and I wondered if you knew of any blog or discussion that was advising about suitable timescales for using Vista with screen readers and other A.T? Many thanks for your help and Happy New Year. Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:08 PM To: pratikp1@gmail.com; VICUG-L@LISTSERV.ICORS.ORG; blindtech@yahoogroups.com; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'; 'Alternate Media'; access-l@access-l.com Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Hello all, In anticipation of the upcoming Windows Vista operating system release, please see the following page to learn more about the keyboard shortcuts that will be available in the new OS. Keyboard shortcuts URL: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/2503b91d-d780-4c80-8f08- 2f48878dc5661033.mspx Pratik patel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From kelly at kellford.com Sat Jan 6 09:02:16 2007 From: kelly at kellford.com (Kelly Ford) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts In-Reply-To: <00f201c730df$570fc500$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> Message-ID: <005b01c731b4$6b315d20$0201a8c0@mediapc> For what it is worth I have run several AT products on Vista and XP in virtual environments with success. Obviously the Vista versions were not final release but I've never had a problem with DCM on XP that was related to running on a virtual machine. The biggest issue I've had when running a full screen reader in a virtual environment deals with software speech. Trying to use wave sound like this can get quite sluggish. You are likely to have much better luck connecting via remote desktop to the virtual machine from a host so that the software speech itself is being generated by the host environment. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 7:37 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Ron et al, Your FS info seems to be different than mine. But not surprising. For the first year or so, I don't plan to run Vista anywhere but in a virtual machine. I wonder how that'll play with Video Intercepts/DCM. Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of 'Ron Stewart' Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 9:03 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Good morning, Here is an update as of yesterday afternoon from a variety of sources: GW does foresee any problems with their products, FS will release Vista compliant Betas at the end of the month probably go to release at CSUN. VISTA is requiring a total rewrite of their products so expect a lot of issues early on, remember the Windows NT fiasco. WYNN is going to be a real problem so probably about a year out. MAGIC has a lot of other issues as well with compatibility with other AT but once they get the JAWS issues dealt with, Magic typically is the next problem child. Dolphin (yes there is a third player that we need to remember!) does not foresee a lot of issues, but projects a late stage beta by CSUN. Kurzweil has made no public announcements but expect K3000 to be at least in Beta by CSUN, K1000 is always way behind and will have more issues to deal with. AiSquared got bought this year so we will probably see some kind of tangible beta by CSUN. Scanner engine problems with both Omnipage and Abbyy, so all the products that are based on the Abbyy engines will need to be upgraded to the latest engine. Anyone else got some gossip to add to the pot. Here is a reality check as well, less than 15% of commercial organizations will migrate to VISTA in 2007, 25% of HE is planning on migrating, and at the Federal level it may be a couple of years based on past history. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:46 AM To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts E.A., (with a copy to the list) Happy new year to you as well. According to the public statements that Freedomscientific and GW Micro have made, screen reader updates will be released at approximately the same time as Vista's expected launch--end of january. I've been told by Freedomscientific reps that Magic will be ready a few weeks after vista's launch. By that, I generally expect Magic timetable to be slightly more delayed. I would think that magic should be ready by csun. I've not heard anything about ZoomText and its expected readiness. I am also not familiar with dolphin's time table. (Ron, can you comment?) Nuance expects to release a service pack update to Dragon 9 for Vista compatibility in late january. Earlier versions of Dragon do not expect to be supported. Institutions using Nuance's Omnipage 15 will have to purchase new licenses for the product. There will be no service releases for some reason. I posed the question to kurzweil about Kurzweils 1000 and 3000 compatibility earlier today. I'll let you know when I hear more. As I understand it, there will be an update to WYNN late summer to early fall. As to a blog, stay tuned ... Where's Dan when we need him! I hope that's somewhat helpful. Regards, Pratik -----Original Message----- From: E.A. Draffan [mailto:ea@emptech.info] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:54 AM To: pratikp1@gmail.com Subject: RE: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Thank you so much for this update - folks are getting a bit eager over here to try Vista, but I have a feeling they need to wait and I wondered if you knew of any blog or discussion that was advising about suitable timescales for using Vista with screen readers and other A.T? Many thanks for your help and Happy New Year. Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:08 PM To: pratikp1@gmail.com; VICUG-L@LISTSERV.ICORS.ORG; blindtech@yahoogroups.com; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'; 'Alternate Media'; access-l@access-l.com Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Hello all, In anticipation of the upcoming Windows Vista operating system release, please see the following page to learn more about the keyboard shortcuts that will be available in the new OS. Keyboard shortcuts URL: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/2503b91d-d780-4c80-8f08- 2f48878dc5661033.mspx Pratik patel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From pratikp1 at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 07:20:20 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts In-Reply-To: <005b01c731b4$6b315d20$0201a8c0@mediapc> Message-ID: <023a01c7326f$5c037e80$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> Kelly, Thank you for the remote desktop tip. I'll try that. Can you give us suggestions on particular virtual environments? I would prefer to use Parallels but am not averse to using something else. If all else fails, There's always the dual boot senario. For anyone interested, there is an excellent and comprehensive review of Windows Vista at www.winsupersite.com. Regards, Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Ford Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 12:02 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts For what it is worth I have run several AT products on Vista and XP in virtual environments with success. Obviously the Vista versions were not final release but I've never had a problem with DCM on XP that was related to running on a virtual machine. The biggest issue I've had when running a full screen reader in a virtual environment deals with software speech. Trying to use wave sound like this can get quite sluggish. You are likely to have much better luck connecting via remote desktop to the virtual machine from a host so that the software speech itself is being generated by the host environment. Kelly -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 7:37 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Ron et al, Your FS info seems to be different than mine. But not surprising. For the first year or so, I don't plan to run Vista anywhere but in a virtual machine. I wonder how that'll play with Video Intercepts/DCM. Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of 'Ron Stewart' Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 9:03 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Good morning, Here is an update as of yesterday afternoon from a variety of sources: GW does foresee any problems with their products, FS will release Vista compliant Betas at the end of the month probably go to release at CSUN. VISTA is requiring a total rewrite of their products so expect a lot of issues early on, remember the Windows NT fiasco. WYNN is going to be a real problem so probably about a year out. MAGIC has a lot of other issues as well with compatibility with other AT but once they get the JAWS issues dealt with, Magic typically is the next problem child. Dolphin (yes there is a third player that we need to remember!) does not foresee a lot of issues, but projects a late stage beta by CSUN. Kurzweil has made no public announcements but expect K3000 to be at least in Beta by CSUN, K1000 is always way behind and will have more issues to deal with. AiSquared got bought this year so we will probably see some kind of tangible beta by CSUN. Scanner engine problems with both Omnipage and Abbyy, so all the products that are based on the Abbyy engines will need to be upgraded to the latest engine. Anyone else got some gossip to add to the pot. Here is a reality check as well, less than 15% of commercial organizations will migrate to VISTA in 2007, 25% of HE is planning on migrating, and at the Federal level it may be a couple of years based on past history. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:46 AM To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts E.A., (with a copy to the list) Happy new year to you as well. According to the public statements that Freedomscientific and GW Micro have made, screen reader updates will be released at approximately the same time as Vista's expected launch--end of january. I've been told by Freedomscientific reps that Magic will be ready a few weeks after vista's launch. By that, I generally expect Magic timetable to be slightly more delayed. I would think that magic should be ready by csun. I've not heard anything about ZoomText and its expected readiness. I am also not familiar with dolphin's time table. (Ron, can you comment?) Nuance expects to release a service pack update to Dragon 9 for Vista compatibility in late january. Earlier versions of Dragon do not expect to be supported. Institutions using Nuance's Omnipage 15 will have to purchase new licenses for the product. There will be no service releases for some reason. I posed the question to kurzweil about Kurzweils 1000 and 3000 compatibility earlier today. I'll let you know when I hear more. As I understand it, there will be an update to WYNN late summer to early fall. As to a blog, stay tuned ... Where's Dan when we need him! I hope that's somewhat helpful. Regards, Pratik -----Original Message----- From: E.A. Draffan [mailto:ea@emptech.info] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:54 AM To: pratikp1@gmail.com Subject: RE: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Thank you so much for this update - folks are getting a bit eager over here to try Vista, but I have a feeling they need to wait and I wondered if you knew of any blog or discussion that was advising about suitable timescales for using Vista with screen readers and other A.T? Many thanks for your help and Happy New Year. Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:08 PM To: pratikp1@gmail.com; VICUG-L@LISTSERV.ICORS.ORG; blindtech@yahoogroups.com; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'; 'Alternate Media'; access-l@access-l.com Subject: [Athen] Windows Vista Keyboard shortcuts Hello all, In anticipation of the upcoming Windows Vista operating system release, please see the following page to learn more about the keyboard shortcuts that will be available in the new OS. Keyboard shortcuts URL: http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/2503b91d-d780-4c80-8f08- 2f48878dc5661033.mspx Pratik patel -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 02/01/2007 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Mon Jan 8 08:27:02 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Call for article proposals: special issue on online accessibility/usability issues pertaining to libraries Message-ID: <004201c73341$d4e162e0$0800000a@RONMOBILE> Some of you may be interested in this opportunity. Ron -----Original Message----- From: Schmetzke, Axel Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 6:30 PM To: 'EASI's Library Accessibility Discussion List'; 'Equal Access to Software & Information' Subject: Call for article proposals: special issue on online accessibility/usability issues pertaining to libraries Dear fellow accessibility advocates and researchers, I'm working on a new special theme issue for Library Hi Tech (LHT) on the online library environment and its accessibility/usability for all users, including those with disabilities. Topics to be covered include the following: 1. Libraries and Web/online accessibility policies: what we have and what we need. 2. Library Web site accessibility -- trend and current data. 3. Accessibility of federated search tools, such as Metalib and ENCompass. 4. Accessibility and usability of library database interfaces for people with disabilities. 5. Accessibility of e-books, such as NetLibrary. 6. Formats of full-text resources and accessibility (including a discussion of PDFs). 7. Accessibility of online library databases-the vendor's perspective. 8. Accessibility of online library tutorials. 9. e-Reserve and accessibility: problems and solutions. 10. Library school programs and the coverage of accessibility issues in their curricula. 11. Digital collections and accessibility. 12. Current obstacles to a fully accessible online library infrastructure and strategies to overcome them. The tentative submission deadline for the final manuscript is May 1, 2007. Library Hi Tech is a peer-reviewed journal. Contributions must be of high quality, and they should be research-based (quantitative or qualitative studies, surveys, policy analysis, etc.). Only under special circumstances will I be persuaded to include "how-we-did-it-right" type of articles. Proposals providing a comparative or international perspective on library-related accessibility issues are particularly welcome. Prospective contributors should contact me and submit a brief description of the proposed article by February 27, 2007. Other factors being equal, proposals submitted prior to January 19, 2007, will be given preferential treatment. Axel Schmetzke, Ph.D. Professor Library, University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point 900 Reserve, Stevens Point, WI 54481 Tel.: 715-346-4658 Email: aschmetz@uwsp.edu From Howard.Kramer at colorado.edu Mon Jan 8 09:34:09 2007 From: Howard.Kramer at colorado.edu (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Ensuring 508 compliance of university IT products Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20070108102254.033cd9b0@buffmail.colorado.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jean Jean Wells Assistive Technology Coordinator CSU East Bay 25800 Carlos Bee Blvd., LI 1121 Hayward, CA 94542 Phone: (510) 885-4366 Fax: 510-885-4365 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:59 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] reading subscripts & superscripts in JAWS My day for questions: I'm trying to get JAWS to read subscripts & superscripts (for math equations). (BTW - I'm using mathtype to convert items in Word "equation editor" format). However, though I've gone into the "configuration manager" in JAWS, "speech & sound functions" and specifically set JAWS to read subscripts & superscripts but with no luck - JAWS is still reading this stuff like standard text. Any suggestions? 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URL: From smt34 at cornell.edu Mon Jan 8 11:31:10 2007 From: smt34 at cornell.edu (Sharon Trerise) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] reading subscripts & superscripts in JAWS In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20070108115021.0731b640@buffmail.colorado.edu> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20070108115021.0731b640@buffmail.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20070108143024.01f03390@postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Have you downloaded and installed MathPlayer for Internet Explorer. This is needed to read the MathML created by MathType. Sharon At 01:58 PM 1/8/2007, you wrote: >My day for questions: > >I'm trying to get JAWS to read subscripts & superscripts (for math >equations). (BTW - I'm using mathtype to convert items in Word "equation >editor" format). However, though I've gone into the "configuration >manager" in JAWS, "speech & sound functions" and specifically set JAWS to >read subscripts & superscripts but with no luck - JAWS is still reading >this stuff like standard text. Any suggestions? > >Thanks, >Howard > >Howard Kramer >Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator >AT Conference Coordinator >Disability Services >CU-Boulder, 107 UCB >Boulder, Co 80309 >303-492-8672 > > >NOTICE: This e-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic >Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C._2510-2521, is confidential and may >be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that >any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this >communication is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please >reply to the sender that you have received this message in error, then >delete it. Thank you for helping to maintain privacy. >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Sharon Trerise Coordinator of Accessible IT DBTAC-Northeast ADA Center Employment and Disability Institute 201 ILR Extension Bldg. Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853 www.northeastada.org 800-949-4232 in NY, NJ, PR & VI From tlwells at uark.edu Mon Jan 8 12:04:06 2007 From: tlwells at uark.edu (Teresa Wells Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Ensuring 508 compliance of university IT products In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20070108102254.033cd9b0@buffmail.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <009201c73360$2a29fbe0$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Hi, Howard. Arkansas has a state law requiring accessibility checks at the procurement level and proof of accessibility before acquisition; our biggest problems have been 1) most folks in procurement didn't know the law even existed, 2) it has no enforcement, and 3) even after they've been told about it, they keep buying products without asking for accessibility checks in advance (OR they make the mistake of believing the vendors who say that they're compliant and don't ask for an independent verification). There are several of us who just keep shaking the trees and yelling at them (after trying the educational outreach method, of course), but so far nothing that has really made the situation any better. If someone has a system that's working, I'd be happy to try it here; as it is, I'm to the point of waiting for someone to file a lawsuit for failure to comply with state law. Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Wells Haven, Ph.D. Assistant Director for Assistive Technology Center for Students with Disabilities ARKU 104 University of Arkansas Fayetteville, AR 72701 479-575-3104 (voice) 479-575-7445 (fax) 479-575-3646 (tdd) ada@uark.edu +++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 11:34 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Ensuring 508 compliance of university IT products Hello All & Happy New Year (isn't it great to be back!): I'm working with our office of Provost for Technology to possibly implement a 508 check at the procurement level for any system-wide IT purchases - i.e. webmail, calendaring, etc. I'm wondering if any other campuses have implemented some type of 508 stipulation at the procurement level, or if not, do you have any other type of mechanism in play to ensure 508 compliance of campus-wide IT - besides simply the campus education & outreach approach. This all follows a frustrating experience last year when ITS purchased a new inaccessible Webmail/calendaring product after we gave them feedback that the product was not accessible. Our ITS dept. has usually been cooperative with trying to comply with 508. However, in this case they proceeded with the purchase with the argument that using a different interface - i.e. Outlook - screenreader users could still access the product. Not a view I agree with. Thanks, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 NOTICE: This e-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C._2510-2521, is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. 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New ways of thinking, of doing business, of teaching, and of learning have moved from the horizon of far-off promises to the center stage of common practice. This evolution has nurtured another awakening with additional demands and desires-to set new policies, to establish new practices, and to explore even further technology's potential and promise. Submit a proposal today to share your expertise and experience with over 400 distance learning professionals on the innovative ways you are making good on technology's bright promises. Over 150 presenters will be selected to participate in the program. Or if you are not interested in presenting but would like to make some general suggestions-possible topics or speakers-for the conference program, you can do that too! The deadline to submit is February 15, 2007. About the Program The conference program consists of general sessions and more than 50 breakout sessions comprised of panels, roundtable discussions, workshops, demos, and showcase sessions. See the Planning Committee's list of topics of particular interest in these five subject area strands: . Beyond the Institution . Innovative Tools and Technologies . Teaching and Learning . Institutional Policies and Practices . Student Services How to Participate Complete the online proposal form to submit . Ideas or general suggestions--topics and/or speakers or innovations you would like to see incorporated into the program . Proposals for a specific conference session with a description of the issue, policy, development, or project to be discussed, and who might be involved in the presentation (The proposal form is short. It only requires a title, 150 word description, and speaker information.) 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The short version is that you will need: - to open your Word document with the equations - go to MathType on the menu bar and choose Export to MathPage - select the MathML radio button and then choose XHTML+MathML OR MathPlayer (IE Behavior) from the drop-down list - choose Export to run the process My recommendation is to choose MathPlayer (IE Behavior) if you are going to be accessing the document from the local computer (e.g. not uploaded to a Web server). Also, you will need to download the MathPlayer plug-in from the Design Science website (http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/download.htm). Then, with the screen-reader running, just open the specific Web page with IE and listen to the math content. Take care, Sean Sean Keegan Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:59 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] reading subscripts & superscripts in JAWS My day for questions: I'm trying to get JAWS to read subscripts & superscripts (for math equations). (BTW - I'm using mathtype to convert items in Word "equation editor" format). However, though I've gone into the "configuration manager" in JAWS, "speech & sound functions" and specifically set JAWS to read subscripts & superscripts but with no luck - JAWS is still reading this stuff like standard text. Any suggestions? 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URL: From jongund at uiuc.edu Tue Jan 9 06:49:39 2007 From: jongund at uiuc.edu (Jon Gunderson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Ensuring 508 compliance of university IT products Message-ID: <20070109084939.AIH21488@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> We have developed some purchasing guidelines at: http://purchasing.cita.uiuc.edu/web.php Jon ---- Original message ---- >Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 10:34:09 -0700 >From: Howard Kramer >Subject: [Athen] Ensuring 508 compliance of university IT products >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Hello All & Happy New Year (isn't it great to be > back!): > > I'm working with our office of Provost for > Technology to possibly implement a 508 check at the > procurement level for any system-wide IT purchases - > i.e. webmail, calendaring, etc. I'm wondering if any > other campuses have implemented some type of 508 > stipulation at the procurement level, or if not, do > you have any other type of mechanism in play to > ensure 508 compliance of campus-wide IT - besides > simply the campus education & outreach approach. > > This all follows a frustrating experience last year > when ITS purchased a new inaccessible > Webmail/calendaring product after we gave them > feedback that the product was not accessible. Our > ITS dept. has usually been cooperative with trying > to comply with 508. However, in this case they > proceeded with the purchase with the argument that > using a different interface - i.e. Outlook - > screenreader users could still access the product. > Not a view I agree with. > > Thanks, > Howard > > Howard Kramer > Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator > AT Conference Coordinator > Disability Services > CU-Boulder, 107 UCB > Boulder, Co 80309 > 303-492-8672 > > NOTICE: This e-mail (including attachments) is > covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy > Act, 18 U.S.C._2510-2521, is confidential and may be > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, > please be aware that any retention, dissemination, > distribution, or copying of this communication is > prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, > please reply to the sender that you have received > this message in error, then delete it. Thank you for > helping to maintain privacy. >________________ >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. Director of IT Accessibility Services Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES) and Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology Disability Resources and Education Services (DRES) Voice: (217) 244-5870 Fax: (217) 333-0248 Cell: (217) 714-6313 E-mail: jongund@uiuc.edu WWW: http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/ WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/ From gdietrich at htctu.net Tue Jan 9 10:30:38 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Ensuring 508 compliance of university IT products In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20070108102254.033cd9b0@buffmail.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <009301c7341c$42eb1620$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hi Howard! I hear you've been getting a lot of snow out there in Boulder this year. Hope you're weathering it well! Here is a link to De Anza's 508 policy site. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:34 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Ensuring 508 compliance of university IT products Hello All & Happy New Year (isn't it great to be back!): I'm working with our office of Provost for Technology to possibly implement a 508 check at the procurement level for any system-wide IT purchases - i.e. webmail, calendaring, etc. I'm wondering if any other campuses have implemented some type of 508 stipulation at the procurement level, or if not, do you have any other type of mechanism in play to ensure 508 compliance of campus-wide IT - besides simply the campus education & outreach approach. This all follows a frustrating experience last year when ITS purchased a new inaccessible Webmail/calendaring product after we gave them feedback that the product was not accessible. Our ITS dept. has usually been cooperative with trying to comply with 508. However, in this case they proceeded with the purchase with the argument that using a different interface - i.e. Outlook - screenreader users could still access the product. Not a view I agree with. Thanks, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 NOTICE: This e-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C._2510-2521, is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is prohibited. 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URL: From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Jan 11 05:08:17 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: [Nimas.ig] NIMAS NIMAC Glossary Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C71162FCFD7@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> -----Original Message----- From: nimas.ig-bounces@lists.cast.org [mailto:nimas.ig-bounces@lists.cast.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hitchcock Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 5:17 PM To: nimas.ig@lists.cast.org Subject: [Nimas.ig] NIMAS NIMAC Glossary Hi, Some of you may be interested in the new NIMAS/NIMAC Glossary (with acronyms) just posted to the NIMAS TA Web site at http://nimas.cast.org/about/resources/nimas_nimac_glossary.html Please let us know if we left anything out or if you can think of ways to improve it. Chuck ............................. Chuck Hitchcock Chief Officer, Policy and Technology Director, NIMAS Technical Assistance Center CAST, Inc. _______________________________________________ nimas.ig mailing list nimas.ig@lists.cast.org http://lists.cast.org/mailman/listinfo/nimas.ig From SandraS at usca.edu Fri Jan 12 08:35:40 2007 From: SandraS at usca.edu (Sandra Sanders) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] DAISY books Message-ID: <04EACB4CCDE78242B9449AB0328B0E11051163FC@MAIL.usca.edu> Here's another beginner's question: Will DAISY books produced in Dolphin Publisher play satisfactorily in RFB&D players? Sandra E. Sanders Assistive Technology Center Supervisor Counseling Center & Office of Disability Services University of South Carolina Aiken 471 University Parkway, Box 15 Aiken, SC 29801 Tel 803-641-3609, Fax 803-641-3677 Web: www.usca.edu/cc Email: sandras@usca.edu USCA - We're focused on you! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Fri Jan 12 09:36:17 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] DAISY books In-Reply-To: <04EACB4CCDE78242B9449AB0328B0E11051163FC@MAIL.usca.edu> References: <04EACB4CCDE78242B9449AB0328B0E11051163FC@MAIL.usca.edu> Message-ID: <00ac01c73670$2a9f0490$0800000a@RONMOBILE> Yes as long as they are DAISY compliant materials they will play in any of the players. Ron _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Sanders Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:36 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] DAISY books Here's another beginner's question: Will DAISY books produced in Dolphin Publisher play satisfactorily in RFB&D players? Sandra E. Sanders Assistive Technology Center Supervisor Counseling Center & Office of Disability Services University of South Carolina Aiken 471 University Parkway, Box 15 Aiken, SC 29801 Tel 803-641-3609, Fax 803-641-3677 Web: www.usca.edu/cc Email: sandras@usca.edu USCA - We're focused on you! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at kckcc.edu Fri Jan 12 10:15:25 2007 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] DAISY books Message-ID: Yes, if they are formatted correctly. Be sure to produce in DAISY 2.02 format as some of the players (like Victor Vibe) do not recognize DAISY 3 yet. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> SandraS@usca.edu 1/12/2007 10:35 AM >>> Here's another beginner's question: Will DAISY books produced in Dolphin Publisher play satisfactorily in RFB&D players? Sandra E. Sanders Assistive Technology Center Supervisor Counseling Center & Office of Disability Services University of South Carolina Aiken 471 University Parkway, Box 15 Aiken, SC 29801 Tel 803-641-3609, Fax 803-641-3677 Web: www.usca.edu/cc Email: sandras@usca.edu USCA - We're focused on you! From djbrky at bu.edu Fri Jan 12 10:56:00 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] DAISY books References: <04EACB4CCDE78242B9449AB0328B0E11051163FC@MAIL.usca.edu> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E403@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Publisher is production and the RFD&D players are playback devices. No different than asking if a cassette recorded on a TEAC deck will play in a Jensen car stereo. We use Publisher and play them back in RFB&D players as S.O.P. NOTE - when creating DTB in Publisher make sure you allow the program to insert minimal MetaData ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Sandra Sanders Sent: Fri 1/12/2007 11:35 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] DAISY books Here's another beginner's question: Will DAISY books produced in Dolphin Publisher play satisfactorily in RFB&D players? Sandra E. Sanders Assistive Technology Center Supervisor Counseling Center & Office of Disability Services University of South Carolina Aiken 471 University Parkway, Box 15 Aiken, SC 29801 Tel 803-641-3609, Fax 803-641-3677 Web: www.usca.edu/cc Email: sandras@usca.edu USCA - We're focused on you! From rbeach at kckcc.edu Fri Jan 12 11:38:06 2007 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] DAISY books Message-ID: Dan, Your tape example isn't quite correct. Not all hardware players recognize DAISY 3, so that makes a difference. Also, I always have Publisher inport all MetaData and have had no problems. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> djbrky@bu.edu 1/12/2007 12:56 PM >>> Publisher is production and the RFD&D players are playback devices. No different than asking if a cassette recorded on a TEAC deck will play in a Jensen car stereo. We use Publisher and play them back in RFB&D players as S.O.P. NOTE - when creating DTB in Publisher make sure you allow the program to insert minimal MetaData ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Sandra Sanders Sent: Fri 1/12/2007 11:35 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] DAISY books Here's another beginner's question: Will DAISY books produced in Dolphin Publisher play satisfactorily in RFB&D players? Sandra E. Sanders Assistive Technology Center Supervisor Counseling Center & Office of Disability Services University of South Carolina Aiken 471 University Parkway, Box 15 Aiken, SC 29801 Tel 803-641-3609, Fax 803-641-3677 Web: www.usca.edu/cc Email: sandras@usca.edu USCA - We're focused on you! _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From SandraS at usca.edu Fri Jan 12 13:54:38 2007 From: SandraS at usca.edu (Sandra Sanders) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: DAISY books Message-ID: <04EACB4CCDE78242B9449AB0328B0E1103AF6CE5@MAIL.usca.edu> Appreciate the feedback on this...forgot I could have just emailed Ron! One of the reasons I asked is that I remember hearing at the AHG conference that books produced on a PlexTalk wouldn't play on other players. We had difficulty getting them to finalize correctly anyway. I realize this is a different scenario but I can't afford to make assumptions this late in the game. This is our first venture away from recording cassettes for the books we can't find anywhere else, so we're making progress. Thanks! Sandra E. Sanders Assistive Technology Center Supervisor Counseling Center & Office of Disability Services University of South Carolina Aiken 471 University Parkway, Box 15 Aiken, SC 29801 Tel 803-641-3609, Fax 803-641-3677 Web: www.usca.edu/cc Email: sandras@usca.edu USCA - We're focused on you! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djbrky at bu.edu Sat Jan 13 08:15:44 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] DAISY books References: Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711621E414@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Robert you are correct. My bad. Also I meant to write 'import' not 'insert' -- oops on the spellcheck. ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Robert Beach Sent: Fri 1/12/2007 2:38 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] DAISY books Dan, Your tape example isn't quite correct. Not all hardware players recognize DAISY 3, so that makes a difference. Also, I always have Publisher inport all MetaData and have had no problems. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> djbrky@bu.edu 1/12/2007 12:56 PM >>> Publisher is production and the RFD&D players are playback devices. No different than asking if a cassette recorded on a TEAC deck will play in a Jensen car stereo. We use Publisher and play them back in RFB&D players as S.O.P. NOTE - when creating DTB in Publisher make sure you allow the program to insert minimal MetaData ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Sandra Sanders Sent: Fri 1/12/2007 11:35 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] DAISY books Here's another beginner's question: Will DAISY books produced in Dolphin Publisher play satisfactorily in RFB&D players? Sandra E. Sanders Assistive Technology Center Supervisor Counseling Center & Office of Disability Services University of South Carolina Aiken 471 University Parkway, Box 15 Aiken, SC 29801 Tel 803-641-3609, Fax 803-641-3677 Web: www.usca.edu/cc Email: sandras@usca.edu USCA - We're focused on you! _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 6976 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rbeach at kckcc.edu Sat Jan 13 10:40:09 2007 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: DAISY books Message-ID: You're doing great! I believe your students will appreciate the better quality that comes in a DAISY book over a cassette book. Keep up the good work. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> SandraS@usca.edu 01/12/07 3:54 PM >>> Appreciate the feedback on this...forgot I could have just emailed Ron! One of the reasons I asked is that I remember hearing at the AHG conference that books produced on a PlexTalk wouldn't play on other players. We had difficulty getting them to finalize correctly anyway. I realize this is a different scenario but I can't afford to make assumptions this late in the game. This is our first venture away from recording cassettes for the books we can't find anywhere else, so we're making progress. Thanks! Sandra E. Sanders Assistive Technology Center Supervisor Counseling Center & Office of Disability Services University of South Carolina Aiken 471 University Parkway, Box 15 Aiken, SC 29801 Tel 803-641-3609, Fax 803-641-3677 Web: www.usca.edu/cc Email: sandras@usca.edu USCA - We're focused on you! From djbrky at bu.edu Wed Jan 17 04:54:00 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Dann Berkowitz) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] A New England trumpeter reports Message-ID: <200701171254.HAA05208@mailhost.boston.com> No one can say that I do not know some interesting people. This one is too good not to share. Here is a BostonGlobe stoy about a local band that is doing an international gig in Baghdad .... yep you read that right .... in the heart of the Green Zone. The drummer for this band is a buddy of mine through the Fife and Drum Corps I belong to. Here is the BLOG site: http://www.groove-alliance.com/mikesblog/ The guy I know is the drummer -- referred to here as Saint James. Note the F&D Corps jacket he is wearin in some of the shots. ____________________________________________________________ The following appeared on Boston.com: Headline: A New England trumpeter reports Date: January 16, 2007 "EDITOR'S NOTE: Chris Elliott is a part-time trumpeter (and fulltime technical writer in Cambridge) whose band is playing a week's worth of gigs in Baghdad. Here's his first post home." ____________________________________________________________ To see this recommendation, click on the link below or cut and paste it into a Web browser: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/01/16/a_new_england_trumpeter_reports?p1=email_to_a_friend ____________________________________________________________ This message was sent by Dann Berkowitz [mailto:djbrky@bu.edu] through Boston.com's email recommendation service. If you have questions or comments about this free service, please email us at feedback@boston.com. From burke at ucla.edu Wed Jan 17 13:50:22 2007 From: burke at ucla.edu (Patrick Burke) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 and Moodle Websites Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070117134254.028071a0@ucla.edu> Hi everyone, Has anyone used Kurzweil 3000's Read The Web feature successfully on websites that use the Moodle course management system? I have a report from a student who says that Read The Web doesn't speak anything on Moodle-based pages. I'm having a hard time finding existing info that may be out there. Thanks for any assistance, Patrick -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke@ucla.edu From gdietrich at htctu.net Wed Jan 17 14:28:49 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 and Moodle Websites In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070117134254.028071a0@ucla.edu> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070117134254.028071a0@ucla.edu> Message-ID: <007601c73a86$dcab48f0$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> K3000 read the web feature only works with the Firefox browser. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Burke Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:50 PM To: ATHEN Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 and Moodle Websites Hi everyone, Has anyone used Kurzweil 3000's Read The Web feature successfully on websites that use the Moodle course management system? I have a report from a student who says that Read The Web doesn't speak anything on Moodle-based pages. I'm having a hard time finding existing info that may be out there. Thanks for any assistance, Patrick -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke@ucla.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From helen_ostrander at wvmccd.cc.ca.us Thu Jan 18 13:08:47 2007 From: helen_ostrander at wvmccd.cc.ca.us (Helen Ostrander) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Job Posting for California Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070118130207.0230d2a0@wvmccd.cc.ca.us> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Most of the tablets allow you to move the mouse by hovering, but to actually click and/or write, the pen must be touching and you must use some pressure. Does anyone know of - a Tablet PC that allows you to write/click by hovering and not touching and/or - software that would add more sensitivity to the pen so that it would activate with barely any pressure? Thanks, Mary Mary J. Ziegler Team Leader, Adaptive Technology MIT Information Services and Technology (IS&T) ATIC Lab Room 7-143 617-258-9328 maryz@mit.edu http//web.mit.edu/ist/topics/adaptive From Michael.Nusen at ppcc.edu Mon Jan 22 12:06:19 2007 From: Michael.Nusen at ppcc.edu (Nusen, Michael) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Showing math work with software Message-ID: <0B6DCE7FD0CAC8499F3F32584186A32504C38147@ppcca1.ppcc.ccofc.edu> Sorry - used old address for ATHEN... ________________________________ From: Nusen, Michael Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:49 PM To: 'athen@lists.oregonstate.edu' Cc: 'consortium-at@lists.colorado.edu' Subject: Showing math work with software We have a student who will be utilizing the below math applications for MAT 060. The student is proficient with using their Dynavox, a key guard on a keyboard, using a shorthand alphabet on a whiteboard for mult choice & T/F questions, and can answer Y/N via his eyes. The student also had success with MS Word, PowerPoint, Access & Excel. The student would not be able to show work via paper-pencil or a whiteboard. Applications he will be using: RapidPi & MathType for math problem word processing. MathComposer for graphs, geometry diagrams, etc. However, does anyone know of an application whereby the student can show their work using either the above software or any other applications? i.e. 1) carrying/borrowing numbers (crossing out numbers, reverse superscripting, etc.) 2) writing fractions in a left column and reducing the fractions in a 2nd column i.e. 3 + 5 8 6 3 = 9 8 24 5 = 20 8 24 __________ 29 = 1 5 24 24 3) showing long division & the work. Applications can be used to show a long division problem, but not the work for being able to properly line up the numbers for the answer and the work. (this sample was done in a very labor intensive manner with MS Word & Paint.) 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The splint can be fitted with various balls to hold either a stylus or writing/art implements. He isn't currently independent in using his splint & requires someone to hold the splint to damper the spasticity/random movements. Something that would be ideal would be similar to how a plotter works but: - have it move in 3 dimensions - have the capability to adjust the dampening according to his muscle tone/spasticity - have the ability to adjust the range of motion for different activities: Dynavox, keyboard, art, eating... The student has been seen by OT professionals. Thank you, Michael Nusen Coordinator, OASIS/CAC (Office of Accommodative Services and Instructional Support/Computer Access Center) Pikes Peak Community College michael.nusen@ppcc.edu 719-502-3022 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hascher at asub.edu Mon Jan 22 13:13:00 2007 From: hascher at asub.edu (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Tablet PC question Message-ID: Hi Mary, I don't know about a Table PC, but I can share with you my personal experience. I have carpal tunnel and have for over 10 years. I have a Wacom tablet. Yes, one does have to touch the tablet in order to click, but as long as I sit in an ergonomically correct position, I have NO problems. And I've used it for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week for several weeks on a multimedia project which included lots of graphics work. Don't know if that would be a solution, but the Wacom tablet can be positioned about anywhere since it's connected via USB cable. Hope that helps! Heidi Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Counselor/Coordinator of Disability Services Arkansas State University - Beebe 501-882-8263 V/T Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:50:19 -0500 From: "Mary J. Ziegler" Subject: [Athen] Tablet PC question To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Message-ID: <01d901c73e4d$c86c67a0$ea017112@mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, I have a client that, due to a Repetitive Strain Injury, would like to use a Tablet PC with a pen that activates the mouse without having to touch the screen, i.e., by hovering. Most of the tablets allow you to move the mouse by hovering, but to actually click and/or write, the pen must be touching and you must use some pressure. Does anyone know of - a Tablet PC that allows you to write/click by hovering and not touching and/or - software that would add more sensitivity to the pen so that it would activate with barely any pressure? Thanks, Mary Mary J. Ziegler Team Leader, Adaptive Technology MIT Information Services and Technology (IS&T) ATIC Lab Room 7-143 617-258-9328 maryz@mit.edu http//web.mit.edu/ist/topics/adaptive ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 12, Issue 16 ************************************* From hascher at asub.edu Mon Jan 22 13:28:00 2007 From: hascher at asub.edu (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Tablet PC question Message-ID: Mary, I forgot to mention that we did try a Wacom tablet on a Tablet PC and had driver conflict problems. Since we didn't have to use the Tablet PC, we didn't investigate the issue any further. Just thought I'd better throw that in too. Heidi ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:13:00 -0600 From: Heidi Scher Subject: [Athen] Tablet PC question To: "'athen@athenpro.org'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Mary, I don't know about a Table PC, but I can share with you my personal experience. I have carpal tunnel and have for over 10 years. I have a Wacom tablet. Yes, one does have to touch the tablet in order to click, but as long as I sit in an ergonomically correct position, I have NO problems. And I've used it for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week for several weeks on a multimedia project which included lots of graphics work. Don't know if that would be a solution, but the Wacom tablet can be positioned about anywhere since it's connected via USB cable. Hope that helps! Heidi Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Counselor/Coordinator of Disability Services Arkansas State University - Beebe 501-882-8263 V/T Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:50:19 -0500 From: "Mary J. Ziegler" Subject: [Athen] Tablet PC question To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Message-ID: <01d901c73e4d$c86c67a0$ea017112@mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, I have a client that, due to a Repetitive Strain Injury, would like to use a Tablet PC with a pen that activates the mouse without having to touch the screen, i.e., by hovering. Most of the tablets allow you to move the mouse by hovering, but to actually click and/or write, the pen must be touching and you must use some pressure. Does anyone know of - a Tablet PC that allows you to write/click by hovering and not touching and/or - software that would add more sensitivity to the pen so that it would activate with barely any pressure? Thanks, Mary Mary J. Ziegler Team Leader, Adaptive Technology MIT Information Services and Technology (IS&T) ATIC Lab Room 7-143 617-258-9328 maryz@mit.edu http//web.mit.edu/ist/topics/adaptive ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 12, Issue 16 ************************************* ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17 ************************************* From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Mon Jan 22 14:14:47 2007 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Showing math work with software In-Reply-To: <0B6DCE7FD0CAC8499F3F32584186A32504C38147@ppcca1.ppcc.ccofc.edu> References: <0B6DCE7FD0CAC8499F3F32584186A32504C38147@ppcca1.ppcc.ccofc.edu> Message-ID: <45B53757.8050605@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Have you looked into the program called Virtual Pencil? Here is the link...perhaps they have a demo program you could check out to see if it will work for your student's needs. Let us know! http://www.ulva.com/Online-Store/Literacy-Education-Typing/vp-arithmetic.htm Wink Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Nusen, Michael wrote: > Sorry - used old address for ATHEN... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Nusen, Michael > *Sent:* Monday, January 22, 2007 12:49 PM > *To:* 'athen@lists.oregonstate.edu' > *Cc:* 'consortium-at@lists.colorado.edu' > *Subject:* Showing math work with software > > We have a student who will be utilizing the below math applications > for MAT 060. > The student is proficient with using their Dynavox, a key guard on a > keyboard, > using a shorthand alphabet on a whiteboard for mult choice & T/F > questions, and can answer Y/N via his eyes. > The student also had success with MS Word, PowerPoint, Access & Excel. > The student would not be able to show work via paper-pencil or a > whiteboard. > > Applications he will be using: > RapidPi & MathType for math problem word processing. > MathComposer for graphs, geometry diagrams, etc. > > However, does anyone know of an application whereby the student can > show their work using either the above software or any other applications? > i.e. > > 1) carrying/borrowing numbers (crossing out numbers, reverse > superscripting, etc.) > > 2) writing fractions in a left column and reducing the fractions in a > 2nd column > i.e. > _3_ + _5_ > 8 6 > > > _3_ = _9_ > 8 24 > > _5_ = _20_ > 8 24 > __________ > _29_ = 1 _5_ > 24 24 > > 3) showing long division & the work. Applications can be used to show > a long division problem, but not the work for being able to properly > line up the numbers for the answer and the work. > > > (this sample was done in a very labor intensive manner with MS Word & > Paint.) > > Thank you, > > Michael Nusen > Coordinator, OASIS/CAC > (Office of Accommodative Services and Instructional Support/Computer > Access Center) > Pikes Peak Community College > _michael.nusen@ppcc.edu_ > 719-502-3022 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > From Michael.Nusen at ppcc.edu Mon Jan 22 19:41:58 2007 From: Michael.Nusen at ppcc.edu (Nusen, Michael) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Showing math work with software Message-ID: <0B6DCE7FD0CAC8499F3F32584186A32504C38154@ppcca1.ppcc.ccofc.edu> Wow! Looks promising. Attached is a print screen of a long division problem. Will keep you posted. Thanks Wink & everyone! Michael -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 3:15 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Showing math work with software Have you looked into the program called Virtual Pencil? Here is the link...perhaps they have a demo program you could check out to see if it will work for your student's needs. Let us know! http://www.ulva.com/Online-Store/Literacy-Education-Typing/vp-arithmetic .htm Wink Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Nusen, Michael wrote: > Sorry - used old address for ATHEN... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > *From:* Nusen, Michael > *Sent:* Monday, January 22, 2007 12:49 PM > *To:* 'athen@lists.oregonstate.edu' > *Cc:* 'consortium-at@lists.colorado.edu' > *Subject:* Showing math work with software > > We have a student who will be utilizing the below math applications > for MAT 060. > The student is proficient with using their Dynavox, a key guard on a > keyboard, using a shorthand alphabet on a whiteboard for mult choice & > T/F questions, and can answer Y/N via his eyes. > The student also had success with MS Word, PowerPoint, Access & Excel. > The student would not be able to show work via paper-pencil or a > whiteboard. > > Applications he will be using: > RapidPi & MathType for math problem word processing. > MathComposer for graphs, geometry diagrams, etc. > > However, does anyone know of an application whereby the student can > show their work using either the above software or any other applications? > i.e. > > 1) carrying/borrowing numbers (crossing out numbers, reverse > superscripting, etc.) > > 2) writing fractions in a left column and reducing the fractions in a > 2nd column i.e. > _3_ + _5_ > 8 6 > > > _3_ = _9_ > 8 24 > > _5_ = _20_ > 8 24 > __________ > _29_ = 1 _5_ > 24 24 > > 3) showing long division & the work. Applications can be used to show > a long division problem, but not the work for being able to properly > line up the numbers for the answer and the work. > > > (this sample was done in a very labor intensive manner with MS Word & > Paint.) > > Thank you, > > Michael Nusen > Coordinator, OASIS/CAC > (Office of Accommodative Services and Instructional Support/Computer > Access Center) Pikes Peak Community College _michael.nusen@ppcc.edu_ > > 719-502-3022 > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Glenda -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Nusen, Michael Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 7:42 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Showing math work with software Wow! Looks promising. Attached is a print screen of a long division problem. Will keep you posted. Thanks Wink & everyone! Michael -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 3:15 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Showing math work with software Have you looked into the program called Virtual Pencil? Here is the link...perhaps they have a demo program you could check out to see if it will work for your student's needs. Let us know! http://www.ulva.com/Online-Store/Literacy-Education-Typing/vp-arithmetic .htm Wink Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Nusen, Michael wrote: > Sorry - used old address for ATHEN... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > *From:* Nusen, Michael > *Sent:* Monday, January 22, 2007 12:49 PM > *To:* 'athen@lists.oregonstate.edu' > *Cc:* 'consortium-at@lists.colorado.edu' > *Subject:* Showing math work with software > > We have a student who will be utilizing the below math applications > for MAT 060. > The student is proficient with using their Dynavox, a key guard on a > keyboard, using a shorthand alphabet on a whiteboard for mult choice & > T/F questions, and can answer Y/N via his eyes. > The student also had success with MS Word, PowerPoint, Access & Excel. > The student would not be able to show work via paper-pencil or a > whiteboard. > > Applications he will be using: > RapidPi & MathType for math problem word processing. > MathComposer for graphs, geometry diagrams, etc. > > However, does anyone know of an application whereby the student can > show their work using either the above software or any other applications? > i.e. > > 1) carrying/borrowing numbers (crossing out numbers, reverse > superscripting, etc.) > > 2) writing fractions in a left column and reducing the fractions in a > 2nd column i.e. > _3_ + _5_ > 8 6 > > > _3_ = _9_ > 8 24 > > _5_ = _20_ > 8 24 > __________ > _29_ = 1 _5_ > 24 24 > > 3) showing long division & the work. Applications can be used to show > a long division problem, but not the work for being able to properly > line up the numbers for the answer and the work. > > > (this sample was done in a very labor intensive manner with MS Word & > Paint.) > > Thank you, > > Michael Nusen > Coordinator, OASIS/CAC > (Office of Accommodative Services and Instructional Support/Computer > Access Center) Pikes Peak Community College _michael.nusen@ppcc.edu_ > > 719-502-3022 > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.4/644 - Release Date: 1/22/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.4/644 - Release Date: 1/22/2007 From djbrky at bu.edu Tue Jan 23 05:08:45 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD-New England Information Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711682D96C@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> For those list members in the New England region. Further information available from the regional President Chip Kennedy at Bentley College CKennedy@bentley.edu http://www.ahead.org/about/regional_affiliates/newengland/index.htm This is a very active and fun group. I highly recommend joining. Together with the loose-knit but also very active and fun Boston Consortium (spearheaded by Erin Evans at Babson) we have a pretty active group of professionals in the region. Cheers all --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability President President-Elect Past President Secretary Treasurer Chip Kennedy Anne Marie Smith Maxine Little Kirby Moore Bette Nee January 22, 2007 Dear Colleagues: Last week you received an e-mail from me which consisted of important information about our Spring 2007 conference. In that welcoming letter, I concluded by strongly encouraging you to join AHEAD - New England if you are not currently a member. I'm writing once again to emphasize that point and encourage you to become involved in this professional organization! Each spring, AHEAD - New England members participate in the voting process to nominate and select individuals to the Board of Directors. Although the spring semester has just begun, the voting process is right around the corner. The nomination process will begin on Thursday, February 1st and will continue through Wednesday, March 14th. The official slate of candidates will be released March 19th for the AHEAD-New England membership, and the voting will come to a close April 27th before the lunch time break at the Spring Conference. The two open positions for the 2007-08 academic year are President Elect and Secretary. If you are not currently a member of AHEAD - New England, but would like to join and play an important role in this voting process, I encourage you to visit our web site at www.ahead.org/about/regional_affiliates/newengland/index.htm, submit your membership application, and become involved in this ever growing professional organization. What are the benefits to joining and becoming part of the Board of Directors? It offers endless opportunities to fine tune your skills in collaborating with other professionals throughout New England, play a key role in the development of conferences and workshops, and provide your unique perspective as you help expand the services and resources available for colleagues throughout the region. If you've been a member in the past but have not renewed your membership for the 2006-2007 year, I encourage you to do so as soon as possible so you can participate in the voting process once again. At any time, if you have questions about this nomination and voting process, or about our organization, I encourage you to contact myself or any of the Board members. Best of luck with the beginning of your Spring semester! Sincerely, Chip Kennedy President, AHEAD - New England -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sometimes, after running the accessibility check, I get an error message that "Acrobat was unable to make this document accessible because it could not save page structure (incorrect structure was found in PDF file). Could not save changes." Have you ever received a similar message and what did you do? 2. After running an accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that "there are x number of words with characters that do not map to Unicode." Acrobat suggests the user use a different font, recreate the PDF with a newer version of Distiller or use the latest Adobe Post Script driver to create a Post Script file, then a new PDF file. Usually, this error message come through on a document with lots of math notation. Any possible solutions or suggestions on this? 3. I've also gotten error messages that say, "x number of elements were not contained within the structure tree." Say what? 4. I've also run OCR on a PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF with some math notation. When I have run an accessibility check on the allegedly OCR'ed file, the report says there are no problems, which is hardly the case when there is math notation. If you have suggestions for me to try or know of any folks at Adobe I can contact, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you, Kathy Cahill ************************** Kathleen Cahill MIT ATIC (Adaptive Technology) Lab 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 email: kcahill@mit.edu From fgsmith at vcu.edu Tue Jan 23 09:27:17 2007 From: fgsmith at vcu.edu (Frances G Smith/AC/VCU) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Message-ID: Greetings Kathy! I think the web expert you should consult is Karen McCall, http://www.iprimus.ca/~martha/PDF-resources.htm She is a regular presenter at the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Boulder, CO. I attended her session in November and found her to have the BEST information on this topic. We have also been exploring a new program know as Common Look, http://www.eliquo.ca/access/acrobataccess.htm which I've also found to be an impressive tool. Fran G. Smith, Ed.S.,CVE Technology Coordinator/ Director INFUSIO Lab VADOE Training & Technical Assistance Center @ VCU | School of Education 10 E. Franklin St., Ste. 200 | PO Bx 843081 Richmond, VA 23219 http://www.vcu.edu/ttac http://www.soe.vcu.edu/infusio O- 804-827-1406 (M,W,Th,F) | O-804-828-8160 (Tu) F- 804-828-6947 fgsmith@vcu.edu "To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children...to leave the world a better place...to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is to have succeeded." Ralph Waldo Emerson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What aspects of the job are most rewarding, and conversely, what, if any obstacles do you have to deal with in terms of providing the best services possible? As they say, the interview process is a two way street, so what should I be looking for, and what kinds of questions should I ask my perspective management in order to insure that the program would be placed in the best position to succeed? Thanks very much in advance; and again, if this is off topic, please feel free to contact me off list at the following email: alpuzz@gmail.com Best regards, --Al Puzzuoli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcroll at CAHS.Colostate.edu Tue Jan 23 10:20:58 2007 From: mcroll at CAHS.Colostate.edu (Roll,Marla) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Tablet PC question In-Reply-To: <01d901c73e4d$c86c67a0$ea017112@mit.edu> References: <01d901c73e4d$c86c67a0$ea017112@mit.edu> Message-ID: Depending on what type of RSI this person has, an option that requires grip can be problematic. If the RSI is related to wrist tendonitis and possibly median nerve involvement, I would steer the person away from gripping small objects or suggest that you use a device ( there are a number out there) that can hold the stylus for the user or at least build up the stylus so a more relaxed grip is possible. Also, you can use something like magic cursor( made by madentec) to have dwell as an option rather than click. Marla Roll ________________________________________ Marla C. Roll, MS, OTR Director, Assistive Technology Resource Center 304 Occupational Therapy Building Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 - 1586 970-491-2016 970-491-6290 (fax) mcroll@cahs.colostate.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Mary J. Ziegler Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 10:50 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Tablet PC question Hi, I have a client that, due to a Repetitive Strain Injury, would like to use a Tablet PC with a pen that activates the mouse without having to touch the screen, i.e., by hovering. Most of the tablets allow you to move the mouse by hovering, but to actually click and/or write, the pen must be touching and you must use some pressure. Does anyone know of - a Tablet PC that allows you to write/click by hovering and not touching and/or - software that would add more sensitivity to the pen so that it would activate with barely any pressure? Thanks, Mary Mary J. Ziegler Team Leader, Adaptive Technology MIT Information Services and Technology (IS&T) ATIC Lab Room 7-143 617-258-9328 maryz@mit.edu http//web.mit.edu/ist/topics/adaptive _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From skeegan at htctu.net Tue Jan 23 11:05:14 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions In-Reply-To: <200701231631.l0NGVsg9017955@outgoing.mit.edu> References: <20070123051346.B2FE9172B06@mit.edu> <200701231631.l0NGVsg9017955@outgoing.mit.edu> Message-ID: <001901c73f21$6aeb1390$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hi Kathy, > I am working with an MIT department that uses a lot of PDF files and am trying to help > them get the "cleanest" PDF files possible. Not sure if I quite understand what you mean. Do you mean a PDF document that is "tagged" according to a certain specification or do you mean a PDF document that works with assistive computer technology (or a bit of both)? > Sometimes, after running the accessibility check, I get an error message that "Acrobat > was unable to make this document accessible because it could not save page structure > (incorrect structure was found in PDF file). Could not save changes." Have you ever > received a similar message and what did you do? I am assuming that you are referring to the Accessibility Checker in AA 7. The short answer is that I tend to avoid using the accessibility checker - yes, it has gotten better, but it still gives a lot of "You may need to check this" type responses. Also, you can get messages like "Provide Missing Unicode Encodings" and this cannot be fixed from within AA - not very helpful. I prefer to save the PDF document as a Text (Accessible) file and then open the file in a text editor/word processor. I spot check the document as to where I have concerns with the reading order of the content. Content that a screen-reader may interpret will be identified in brackets "[ ]". > 2. After running an accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that "there are x > number of words with characters that do not map to Unicode." ....Any possible > solutions or suggestions on this? How are you creating your PDF documents? If I begin in something like MS Word (or InDesign) and go to PDF, I do not seem to encounter this issue. I suppose I am asking: What is your workflow for PDF document creation for both text and math-based documents? > 3. I've also gotten error messages that say, "x number of elements were not contained > within the structure tree." Say what? Wow - very helpful message. I have gotten this once before where some page content could not be added to the tagged structure. It was not text-based, so that may have been the problem (AA could not identify what it was). > 4. I've also run OCR on a PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF with some > math notation. When I have run an accessibility check on the allegedly OCR'ed file, > the report says there are no problems, which is hardly the case when there is math > notation. Hmmm - I am not sure I understand. Was there text on the page? Did that content get OCR'ed correctly or did nothing get recognized? Do you have an example I can play with? It sounds as if you are attempting to create PDF documents containing math notation AND have these documents be accessible. I am not aware of any assistive computer technologies that can read native math equations within a PDF document. I know that Design Science was interested in doing some work on this, but I do not know how far they have progressed. Take care, Sean Sean Keegan Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kathleen Cahill Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:32 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Dear Colleagues; I am working with an MIT department that uses a lot of PDF files and am trying to help them get the "cleanest" PDF files possible. I would love to get some feedback from those of you who regularly use the Adobe Acrobat 7.0 accessibility checkers and do lots of tagging and alterations of document structure. I have some questions regarding files that originate in Microsoft Office or Latex format (full of math notation): 1. Sometimes, after running the accessibility check, I get an error message that "Acrobat was unable to make this document accessible because it could not save page structure (incorrect structure was found in PDF file). Could not save changes." Have you ever received a similar message and what did you do? 2. After running an accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that "there are x number of words with characters that do not map to Unicode." Acrobat suggests the user use a different font, recreate the PDF with a newer version of Distiller or use the latest Adobe Post Script driver to create a Post Script file, then a new PDF file. Usually, this error message come through on a document with lots of math notation. Any possible solutions or suggestions on this? 3. I've also gotten error messages that say, "x number of elements were not contained within the structure tree." Say what? 4. I've also run OCR on a PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF with some math notation. When I have run an accessibility check on the allegedly OCR'ed file, the report says there are no problems, which is hardly the case when there is math notation. If you have suggestions for me to try or know of any folks at Adobe I can contact, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you, Kathy Cahill ************************** Kathleen Cahill MIT ATIC (Adaptive Technology) Lab 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 email: kcahill@mit.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From skeegan at htctu.net Tue Jan 23 11:11:09 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001a01c73f22$3df346e0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hi Fran, > We have also been exploring a new program know as Common Look, > http://www.eliquo.ca/access/acrobataccess.htm which I've also found to be an impressive tool. That link actually took me to a web accessibility and testing service provider. I think the actual tool you may be referring to is available at: http://www.commonlook.com/products/cl_s508_adobe.aspx Has anyone used the CommonLook Section 508 plug-in? I have heard it is *very* expensive, but I am curious as to how it compares to other tools. Take care, Sean _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Frances G Smith/AC/VCU Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:27 AM To: kcahill@MIT.EDU; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Greetings Kathy! I think the web expert you should consult is Karen McCall, http://www.iprimus.ca/~martha/PDF-resources.htm She is a regular presenter at the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Boulder, CO. I attended her session in November and found her to have the BEST information on this topic. We have also been exploring a new program know as Common Look, http://www.eliquo.ca/access/acrobataccess.htm which I've also found to be an impressive tool. Fran G. Smith, Ed.S.,CVE Technology Coordinator/ Director INFUSIO Lab VADOE Training & Technical Assistance Center @ VCU | School of Education 10 E. Franklin St., Ste. 200 | PO Bx 843081 Richmond, VA 23219 http://www.vcu.edu/ttac http://www.soe.vcu.edu/infusio O- 804-827-1406 (M,W,Th,F) | O-804-828-8160 (Tu) F- 804-828-6947 fgsmith@vcu.edu "To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children...to leave the world a better place...to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is to have succeeded." Ralph Waldo Emerson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezaki.karen995 at verizon.net Mon Jan 22 18:53:31 2007 From: ezaki.karen995 at verizon.net (Karen Ezaki) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dynamic arm support Message-ID: <8935436.1337871169520811976.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> You might look at the Jaeco products arm support. You can configure the spring assist to the keyboard, the length of the vertical and horizontal swing, purchase a padded arm support in different lengths and it will mount to the wheelchair without looking like those broken arm slings. It takes some technical training on knowing how to configure it but it has nice features. The Ergorest does not mount to the wheelchair and the Zonco is a little uncomfortable and doesn't mount to wheelchair. We haven't kept up with the changes on these two since we had the jaeco. ===================== From: "Nusen, Michael" Date: 2007/01/22 Mon PM 02:06:56 CST To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Cc: consortium-at@lists.colorado.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Dynamic arm support Sorry - used old address for ATHEN...From: Nusen, Michael Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:02 PM To:'athen@lists.oregonstate.edu' Cc:'consortium-at@lists.colorado.edu' Subject: Dynamic arm support We are looking for a wheelchair-mountable arm support for a student that could damper their spasticity and assist them in controlling random movements while still allowing him the range of motion within a specifiable 3-D area to permit him to type on a keyboard and use his Dynavox. The student currently uses a splint that requires additional support. The splint can be fitted with various balls to hold either a stylus or writing/art implements. He isn't currently independent in using his splint & requires someone to hold the splint to damper the spasticity/random movements. Something that would be ideal would be similar to how a plotter works but:- have it move in 3 dimensions- have the capability to adjust the dampening according to his muscle tone/spasticity- have the ability to adjust the range of motion for different activities: Dynavox, keyboard, art, eating...The student has been seen by OT professionals. Thank you, Michael Nusen Coordinator, OASIS/CAC (Office of Accommodative Services and Instructional Support/Computer Access Center) Pikes Peak Community College michael.nusen@ppcc.edu 719-502-3022 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From sherylb at u.washington.edu Tue Jan 23 06:18:03 2007 From: sherylb at u.washington.edu (Sheryl Burgstahler) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Showing math work with software In-Reply-To: <45B53757.8050605@mcmail.maricopa.edu> References: <0B6DCE7FD0CAC8499F3F32584186A32504C38147@ppcca1.ppcc.ccofc.edu> <45B53757.8050605@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: There is an article in our DO-IT/AccessSTEM Knowledge Base (select the Search Knowledge Base button at the left side of the DO-IT home page at www.washington.edu/doit and search for "Virtual Pencil) titled "Are there commercial products designed to make math accessible to students with disabilities?" (at www.washington.edu/doit/articles?342). You might want to check that out and a few others related to mathematics. Also, we are constantly updating our hundreds of articles so DO let us know of other content we should include in this article. We count on folks on this list to draft questions (and article content) to increase the usefulness of this resource, which is funded by both the National Science Foundation and the U.S. Department of Education. Thanks in advance for any suggestions you have. Sheryl ------------------------------------------------------------------- Sheryl Burgstahler, Ph.D. Director, DO-IT & UW Accessible Technology Services Computing & Communications University of Washington, Box 355670 Seattle, WA 98195 206-543-0622 FAX 206-221-4171 http://staff.washington.edu/sherylb sherylb@u.washington.edu On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, Wink Harner wrote: > Have you looked into the program called Virtual Pencil? > Here is the link...perhaps they have a demo program you could check out > to see if it will work for your student's needs. > Let us know! > > http://www.ulva.com/Online-Store/Literacy-Education-Typing/vp-arithmetic.htm > > Wink > Ms. Wink Harner > Manager > Disability Resources & Services > Mesa Community College > > > Nusen, Michael wrote: > >> Sorry - used old address for ATHEN... >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Nusen, Michael >> *Sent:* Monday, January 22, 2007 12:49 PM >> *To:* 'athen@lists.oregonstate.edu' >> *Cc:* 'consortium-at@lists.colorado.edu' >> *Subject:* Showing math work with software >> >> We have a student who will be utilizing the below math applications >> for MAT 060. >> The student is proficient with using their Dynavox, a key guard on a >> keyboard, >> using a shorthand alphabet on a whiteboard for mult choice & T/F >> questions, and can answer Y/N via his eyes. >> The student also had success with MS Word, PowerPoint, Access & Excel. >> The student would not be able to show work via paper-pencil or a >> whiteboard. >> >> Applications he will be using: >> RapidPi & MathType for math problem word processing. >> MathComposer for graphs, geometry diagrams, etc. >> >> However, does anyone know of an application whereby the student can >> show their work using either the above software or any other applications? >> i.e. >> >> 1) carrying/borrowing numbers (crossing out numbers, reverse >> superscripting, etc.) >> >> 2) writing fractions in a left column and reducing the fractions in a >> 2nd column >> i.e. >> _3_ + _5_ >> 8 6 >> >> >> _3_ = _9_ >> 8 24 >> >> _5_ = _20_ >> 8 24 >> __________ >> _29_ = 1 _5_ >> 24 24 >> >> 3) showing long division & the work. Applications can be used to show >> a long division problem, but not the work for being able to properly >> line up the numbers for the answer and the work. >> >> >> (this sample was done in a very labor intensive manner with MS Word & >> Paint.) >> >> Thank you, >> >> Michael Nusen >> Coordinator, OASIS/CAC >> (Office of Accommodative Services and Instructional Support/Computer >> Access Center) >> Pikes Peak Community College >> _michael.nusen@ppcc.edu_ >> 719-502-3022 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From kcahill at MIT.EDU Tue Jan 23 12:12:43 2007 From: kcahill at MIT.EDU (Kathleen Cahill) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions In-Reply-To: <001901c73f21$6aeb1390$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <200701232012.l0NKCciN024229@outgoing.mit.edu> Hi Shawn; Let me answer your questions below (my answers are in dark purple -- hope it comes through): -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 2:05 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Hi Kathy, > I am working with an MIT department that uses a lot of PDF files and am trying to help > them get the "cleanest" PDF files possible. Not sure if I quite understand what you mean. Do you mean a PDF document that is "tagged" according to a certain specification or do you mean a PDF document that works with assistive computer technology (or a bit of both)? My answer: I mean a PDF document that is tagged in Acrobat so it will work better with AT. > Sometimes, after running the accessibility check, I get an error message that "Acrobat > was unable to make this document accessible because it could not save page structure > (incorrect structure was found in PDF file). Could not save changes." Have you ever > received a similar message and what did you do? I am assuming that you are referring to the Accessibility Checker in AA 7. The short answer is that I tend to avoid using the accessibility checker - yes, it has gotten better, but it still gives a lot of "You may need to check this" type responses. Also, you can get messages like "Provide Missing Unicode Encodings" and this cannot be fixed from within AA - not very helpful. I prefer to save the PDF document as a Text (Accessible) file and then open the file in a text editor/word processor. I spot check the document as to where I have concerns with the reading order of the content. Content that a screen-reader may interpret will be identified in brackets "[ ]". Kathy's answer: That probably won't work very well if I can't use the accessibility checker in Adobe Acrobat 7.0. Many of these documents have math notation in them. I realize that screen readers will not read the math and science notation but if I'm trying to also apply some structure to the PDF, I don't know how else do that in Acrobat unless I use the accessibility checker. I don't have access to the source documents for these PDFs. > 2. After running an accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that "there are x > number of words with characters that do not map to Unicode." ....Any possible > solutions or suggestions on this? How are you creating your PDF documents? If I begin in something like MS Word (or InDesign) and go to PDF, I do not seem to encounter this issue. Kathy's answer: Some of the documents were probably created in Matlab or Latex, if they have math notation in them. I suppose I am asking: What is your workflow for PDF document creation for both text and math-based documents? Kathy's answer: Many of the text-based documents were created in MS Word but probably not with structure. > 3. I've also gotten error messages that say, "x number of elements were not contained > within the structure tree." Say what? Wow - very helpful message. I have gotten this once before where some page content could not be added to the tagged structure. It was not text-based, so that may have been the problem (AA could not identify what it was). Kathy's comment: Again, this could be due to math/science notation in the document that Acrobat doesn't know what to do with. > 4. I've also run OCR on a PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF with some > math notation. When I have run an accessibility check on the allegedly OCR'ed file, > the report says there are no problems, which is hardly the case when there is math > notation. Hmmm - I am not sure I understand. Was there text on the page? Did that content get OCR'ed correctly or did nothing get recognized? Do you have an example I can play with? Kathy's comment: There was text on the page. It seems like even after Paper Capture (OCR) was run in Acrobat, it still retains its characteristics of an image-only file. I will email you the file separately to look at. It sounds as if you are attempting to create PDF documents containing math notation AND have these documents be accessible. I am not aware of any assistive computer technologies that can read native math equations within a PDF document. I know that Design Science was interested in doing some work on this, but I do not know how far they have progressed. Kathy's comment: I realize that screen readers cannot read math content. I am trying to get the text part of the PDF to be as accessible as possible. The departments that create these documents are going to need to create descriptive ALT tags that go with the math notation to make it meaningful, or find some other format. We are trying to push the departments to consider MathML but so far, no takers on a department level. Thank you for your help, Kathy Take care, Sean Sean Keegan Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kathleen Cahill Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:32 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Dear Colleagues; I am working with an MIT department that uses a lot of PDF files and am trying to help them get the "cleanest" PDF files possible. I would love to get some feedback from those of you who regularly use the Adobe Acrobat 7.0 accessibility checkers and do lots of tagging and alterations of document structure. I have some questions regarding files that originate in Microsoft Office or Latex format (full of math notation): 1. Sometimes, after running the accessibility check, I get an error message that "Acrobat was unable to make this document accessible because it could not save page structure (incorrect structure was found in PDF file). Could not save changes." Have you ever received a similar message and what did you do? 2. After running an accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that "there are x number of words with characters that do not map to Unicode." Acrobat suggests the user use a different font, recreate the PDF with a newer version of Distiller or use the latest Adobe Post Script driver to create a Post Script file, then a new PDF file. Usually, this error message come through on a document with lots of math notation. Any possible solutions or suggestions on this? 3. I've also gotten error messages that say, "x number of elements were not contained within the structure tree." Say what? 4. I've also run OCR on a PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF with some math notation. When I have run an accessibility check on the allegedly OCR'ed file, the report says there are no problems, which is hardly the case when there is math notation. If you have suggestions for me to try or know of any folks at Adobe I can contact, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you, Kathy Cahill ************************** Kathleen Cahill MIT ATIC (Adaptive Technology) Lab 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 email: kcahill@mit.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at htctu.net Tue Jan 23 15:04:12 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions In-Reply-To: <200701232012.l0NKCciN024229@outgoing.mit.edu> References: <001901c73f21$6aeb1390$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <200701232012.l0NKCciN024229@outgoing.mit.edu> Message-ID: <005501c73f42$cc358740$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hi Kathy, Thanks for the information. I wanted to distinguish between following a "standard" vs. making the PDF accessible to AT. I can see your challenge not having access to the original documents that may have begun as MS Word or other word processing files and then attempting to make everything accessible via Adobe Acrobat. You can add/remove tags to a PDF document without using the Accessibility Checker. - Open the untagged PDF document. - Use the Add Tags to Document option (under Advanced > Accessibility) If there are already tags for the document, then you will just need to check how the content is organized. I generally do this with the TouchUp Reading Order tool. - Turn on the TouchUp Reading Order tool (under Advanced > Accessibility) - Visually scan the document for any major overlaps in content of text/equations on the page. You can rezone the content using the reading order palette for content vs. equations/images/etc. If there are equations, these may be initially represented as "Table" or "Figure - No alternative text exists" after adding tags to the PDF document. You can reclassify equations as "Formulas" and then go back and add alternative text (or leave them classified as Figures and add the appropriate text description). You can also create tags manually (well, semi-manually) by using the TouchUp Reading Order tool on a page-by-page basis. Content that you zone and then set using the reading order palette automatically gets a tag created in the Tags tab. Hope this helps. Let me know if you have tried this and it is not working. Take care, Sean _____ From: Kathleen Cahill [mailto:kcahill@MIT.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 12:13 PM To: skeegan@htctu.net; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Hi Shawn; Let me answer your questions below (my answers are in dark purple -- hope it comes through): -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 2:05 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Hi Kathy, > I am working with an MIT department that uses a lot of PDF files and am trying to help > them get the "cleanest" PDF files possible. Not sure if I quite understand what you mean. Do you mean a PDF document that is "tagged" according to a certain specification or do you mean a PDF document that works with assistive computer technology (or a bit of both)? My answer: I mean a PDF document that is tagged in Acrobat so it will work better with AT. > Sometimes, after running the accessibility check, I get an error message that "Acrobat > was unable to make this document accessible because it could not save page structure > (incorrect structure was found in PDF file). Could not save changes." Have you ever > received a similar message and what did you do? I am assuming that you are referring to the Accessibility Checker in AA 7. The short answer is that I tend to avoid using the accessibility checker - yes, it has gotten better, but it still gives a lot of "You may need to check this" type responses. Also, you can get messages like "Provide Missing Unicode Encodings" and this cannot be fixed from within AA - not very helpful. I prefer to save the PDF document as a Text (Accessible) file and then open the file in a text editor/word processor. I spot check the document as to where I have concerns with the reading order of the content. Content that a screen-reader may interpret will be identified in brackets "[ ]". Kathy's answer: That probably won't work very well if I can't use the accessibility checker in Adobe Acrobat 7.0. Many of these documents have math notation in them. I realize that screen readers will not read the math and science notation but if I'm trying to also apply some structure to the PDF, I don't know how else do that in Acrobat unless I use the accessibility checker. I don't have access to the source documents for these PDFs. > 2. After running an accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that "there are x > number of words with characters that do not map to Unicode." ....Any possible > solutions or suggestions on this? How are you creating your PDF documents? If I begin in something like MS Word (or InDesign) and go to PDF, I do not seem to encounter this issue. Kathy's answer: Some of the documents were probably created in Matlab or Latex, if they have math notation in them. I suppose I am asking: What is your workflow for PDF document creation for both text and math-based documents? Kathy's answer: Many of the text-based documents were created in MS Word but probably not with structure. > 3. I've also gotten error messages that say, "x number of elements were not contained > within the structure tree." Say what? Wow - very helpful message. I have gotten this once before where some page content could not be added to the tagged structure. It was not text-based, so that may have been the problem (AA could not identify what it was). Kathy's comment: Again, this could be due to math/science notation in the document that Acrobat doesn't know what to do with. > 4. I've also run OCR on a PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF with some > math notation. When I have run an accessibility check on the allegedly OCR'ed file, > the report says there are no problems, which is hardly the case when there is math > notation. Hmmm - I am not sure I understand. Was there text on the page? Did that content get OCR'ed correctly or did nothing get recognized? Do you have an example I can play with? Kathy's comment: There was text on the page. It seems like even after Paper Capture (OCR) was run in Acrobat, it still retains its characteristics of an image-only file. I will email you the file separately to look at. It sounds as if you are attempting to create PDF documents containing math notation AND have these documents be accessible. I am not aware of any assistive computer technologies that can read native math equations within a PDF document. I know that Design Science was interested in doing some work on this, but I do not know how far they have progressed. Kathy's comment: I realize that screen readers cannot read math content. I am trying to get the text part of the PDF to be as accessible as possible. The departments that create these documents are going to need to create descriptive ALT tags that go with the math notation to make it meaningful, or find some other format. We are trying to push the departments to consider MathML but so far, no takers on a department level. Thank you for your help, Kathy Take care, Sean Sean Keegan Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kathleen Cahill Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:32 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Dear Colleagues; I am working with an MIT department that uses a lot of PDF files and am trying to help them get the "cleanest" PDF files possible. I would love to get some feedback from those of you who regularly use the Adobe Acrobat 7.0 accessibility checkers and do lots of tagging and alterations of document structure. I have some questions regarding files that originate in Microsoft Office or Latex format (full of math notation): 1. Sometimes, after running the accessibility check, I get an error message that "Acrobat was unable to make this document accessible because it could not save page structure (incorrect structure was found in PDF file). Could not save changes." Have you ever received a similar message and what did you do? 2. After running an accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that "there are x number of words with characters that do not map to Unicode." Acrobat suggests the user use a different font, recreate the PDF with a newer version of Distiller or use the latest Adobe Post Script driver to create a Post Script file, then a new PDF file. Usually, this error message come through on a document with lots of math notation. Any possible solutions or suggestions on this? 3. I've also gotten error messages that say, "x number of elements were not contained within the structure tree." Say what? 4. I've also run OCR on a PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF with some math notation. When I have run an accessibility check on the allegedly OCR'ed file, the report says there are no problems, which is hardly the case when there is math notation. If you have suggestions for me to try or know of any folks at Adobe I can contact, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you, Kathy Cahill ************************** Kathleen Cahill MIT ATIC (Adaptive Technology) Lab 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 email: kcahill@mit.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cathk at cahs.colostate.edu Tue Jan 23 15:34:17 2007 From: cathk at cahs.colostate.edu (Kilcommons,Cath) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions In-Reply-To: <005501c73f42$cc358740$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: Hi All, I thought it also might be worth mentioning the ability to dock your View Tags function in the Navigation pane - a work shortcut I learned from Sean, of course (grin). Go to View > Navigation Tabs > select Tags, and a separate little window will appear that has Tabs labeled, "Fields, Tags, Content, Order". The Tags tab will be selected. Using the mouse, drag that tab to the Navigation pane where the other tabs appear (default tabs are Bookmarks, Signatures, Pages, Model Tree, Attachments and Comments). The Tags tab should then anchor, and will remain available in the Navigation pane until you reset the tabs. I find this a very useful customization for anyone who visually checks for tags and tagging information. Best, Cath ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:04 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Hi Kathy, Thanks for the information. I wanted to distinguish between following a "standard" vs. making the PDF accessible to AT. I can see your challenge not having access to the original documents that may have begun as MS Word or other word processing files and then attempting to make everything accessible via Adobe Acrobat. You can add/remove tags to a PDF document without using the Accessibility Checker. - Open the untagged PDF document. - Use the Add Tags to Document option (under Advanced > Accessibility) If there are already tags for the document, then you will just need to check how the content is organized. I generally do this with the TouchUp Reading Order tool. - Turn on the TouchUp Reading Order tool (under Advanced > Accessibility) - Visually scan the document for any major overlaps in content of text/equations on the page. You can rezone the content using the reading order palette for content vs. equations/images/etc. If there are equations, these may be initially represented as "Table" or "Figure - No alternative text exists" after adding tags to the PDF document. You can reclassify equations as "Formulas" and then go back and add alternative text (or leave them classified as Figures and add the appropriate text description). You can also create tags manually (well, semi-manually) by using the TouchUp Reading Order tool on a page-by-page basis. Content that you zone and then set using the reading order palette automatically gets a tag created in the Tags tab. Hope this helps. Let me know if you have tried this and it is not working. Take care, Sean ________________________________ From: Kathleen Cahill [mailto:kcahill@MIT.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 12:13 PM To: skeegan@htctu.net; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Hi Shawn; Let me answer your questions below (my answers are in dark purple -- hope it comes through): -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 2:05 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Hi Kathy, > I am working with an MIT department that uses a lot of PDF files and am trying to help > them get the "cleanest" PDF files possible. Not sure if I quite understand what you mean. Do you mean a PDF document that is "tagged" according to a certain specification or do you mean a PDF document that works with assistive computer technology (or a bit of both)? My answer: I mean a PDF document that is tagged in Acrobat so it will work better with AT. > Sometimes, after running the accessibility check, I get an error message that "Acrobat > was unable to make this document accessible because it could not save page structure > (incorrect structure was found in PDF file). Could not save changes." Have you ever > received a similar message and what did you do? I am assuming that you are referring to the Accessibility Checker in AA 7. The short answer is that I tend to avoid using the accessibility checker - yes, it has gotten better, but it still gives a lot of "You may need to check this" type responses. Also, you can get messages like "Provide Missing Unicode Encodings" and this cannot be fixed from within AA - not very helpful. I prefer to save the PDF document as a Text (Accessible) file and then open the file in a text editor/word processor. I spot check the document as to where I have concerns with the reading order of the content. Content that a screen-reader may interpret will be identified in brackets "[ ]". Kathy's answer: That probably won't work very well if I can't use the accessibility checker in Adobe Acrobat 7.0. Many of these documents have math notation in them. I realize that screen readers will not read the math and science notation but if I'm trying to also apply some structure to the PDF, I don't know how else do that in Acrobat unless I use the accessibility checker. I don't have access to the source documents for these PDFs. > 2. After running an accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that "there are x > number of words with characters that do not map to Unicode." ....Any possible > solutions or suggestions on this? How are you creating your PDF documents? If I begin in something like MS Word (or InDesign) and go to PDF, I do not seem to encounter this issue. Kathy's answer: Some of the documents were probably created in Matlab or Latex, if they have math notation in them. I suppose I am asking: What is your workflow for PDF document creation for both text and math-based documents? Kathy's answer: Many of the text-based documents were created in MS Word but probably not with structure. > 3. I've also gotten error messages that say, "x number of elements were not contained > within the structure tree." Say what? Wow - very helpful message. I have gotten this once before where some page content could not be added to the tagged structure. It was not text-based, so that may have been the problem (AA could not identify what it was). Kathy's comment: Again, this could be due to math/science notation in the document that Acrobat doesn't know what to do with. > 4. I've also run OCR on a PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF with some > math notation. When I have run an accessibility check on the allegedly OCR'ed file, > the report says there are no problems, which is hardly the case when there is math > notation. Hmmm - I am not sure I understand. Was there text on the page? Did that content get OCR'ed correctly or did nothing get recognized? Do you have an example I can play with? Kathy's comment: There was text on the page. It seems like even after Paper Capture (OCR) was run in Acrobat, it still retains its characteristics of an image-only file. I will email you the file separately to look at. It sounds as if you are attempting to create PDF documents containing math notation AND have these documents be accessible. I am not aware of any assistive computer technologies that can read native math equations within a PDF document. I know that Design Science was interested in doing some work on this, but I do not know how far they have progressed. Kathy's comment: I realize that screen readers cannot read math content. I am trying to get the text part of the PDF to be as accessible as possible. The departments that create these documents are going to need to create descriptive ALT tags that go with the math notation to make it meaningful, or find some other format. We are trying to push the departments to consider MathML but so far, no takers on a department level. Thank you for your help, Kathy Take care, Sean Sean Keegan Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kathleen Cahill Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:32 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Dear Colleagues; I am working with an MIT department that uses a lot of PDF files and am trying to help them get the "cleanest" PDF files possible. I would love to get some feedback from those of you who regularly use the Adobe Acrobat 7.0 accessibility checkers and do lots of tagging and alterations of document structure. I have some questions regarding files that originate in Microsoft Office or Latex format (full of math notation): 1. Sometimes, after running the accessibility check, I get an error message that "Acrobat was unable to make this document accessible because it could not save page structure (incorrect structure was found in PDF file). Could not save changes." Have you ever received a similar message and what did you do? 2. After running an accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that "there are x number of words with characters that do not map to Unicode." Acrobat suggests the user use a different font, recreate the PDF with a newer version of Distiller or use the latest Adobe Post Script driver to create a Post Script file, then a new PDF file. Usually, this error message come through on a document with lots of math notation. Any possible solutions or suggestions on this? 3. I've also gotten error messages that say, "x number of elements were not contained within the structure tree." Say what? 4. I've also run OCR on a PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF with some math notation. When I have run an accessibility check on the allegedly OCR'ed file, the report says there are no problems, which is hardly the case when there is math notation. If you have suggestions for me to try or know of any folks at Adobe I can contact, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you, Kathy Cahill ************************** Kathleen Cahill MIT ATIC (Adaptive Technology) Lab 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 email: kcahill@mit.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrih at asu.edu Tue Jan 23 16:23:27 2007 From: terrih at asu.edu (Terri Hedgpeth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] postscript Accessibility questions Message-ID: <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC0433AC52@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Sean and all, What about a post script file? What tool(s) can a student who is blind use to convert a post script file into a readable form and maintain the format? Thanks, Terri Dr. Terri Hedgpeth Academic Research Professional CUbiC #376, iCare (480) 727-8133 V (480) 965-1885 Fax CUbiC.asu.edu http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:04 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Hi Kathy, Thanks for the information. I wanted to distinguish between following a "standard" vs. making the PDF accessible to AT. I can see your challenge not having access to the original documents that may have begun as MS Word or other word processing files and then attempting to make everything accessible via Adobe Acrobat. You can add/remove tags to a PDF document without using the Accessibility Checker. - Open the untagged PDF document. - Use the Add Tags to Document option (under Advanced > Accessibility) If there are already tags for the document, then you will just need to check how the content is organized. I generally do this with the TouchUp Reading Order tool. - Turn on the TouchUp Reading Order tool (under Advanced > Accessibility) - Visually scan the document for any major overlaps in content of text/equations on the page. You can rezone the content using the reading order palette for content vs. equations/images/etc. If there are equations, these may be initially represented as "Table" or "Figure - No alternative text exists" after adding tags to the PDF document. You can reclassify equations as "Formulas" and then go back and add alternative text (or leave them classified as Figures and add the appropriate text description). You can also create tags manually (well, semi-manually) by using the TouchUp Reading Order tool on a page-by-page basis. Content that you zone and then set using the reading order palette automatically gets a tag created in the Tags tab. Hope this helps. Let me know if you have tried this and it is not working. Take care, Sean ________________________________ From: Kathleen Cahill [mailto:kcahill@MIT.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 12:13 PM To: skeegan@htctu.net; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Hi Shawn; Let me answer your questions below (my answers are in dark purple -- hope it comes through): -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 2:05 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Hi Kathy, > I am working with an MIT department that uses a lot of PDF files and am trying to help > them get the "cleanest" PDF files possible. Not sure if I quite understand what you mean. Do you mean a PDF document that is "tagged" according to a certain specification or do you mean a PDF document that works with assistive computer technology (or a bit of both)? My answer: I mean a PDF document that is tagged in Acrobat so it will work better with AT. > Sometimes, after running the accessibility check, I get an error message that "Acrobat > was unable to make this document accessible because it could not save page structure > (incorrect structure was found in PDF file). Could not save changes." Have you ever > received a similar message and what did you do? I am assuming that you are referring to the Accessibility Checker in AA 7. The short answer is that I tend to avoid using the accessibility checker - yes, it has gotten better, but it still gives a lot of "You may need to check this" type responses. Also, you can get messages like "Provide Missing Unicode Encodings" and this cannot be fixed from within AA - not very helpful. I prefer to save the PDF document as a Text (Accessible) file and then open the file in a text editor/word processor. I spot check the document as to where I have concerns with the reading order of the content. Content that a screen-reader may interpret will be identified in brackets "[ ]". Kathy's answer: That probably won't work very well if I can't use the accessibility checker in Adobe Acrobat 7.0. Many of these documents have math notation in them. I realize that screen readers will not read the math and science notation but if I'm trying to also apply some structure to the PDF, I don't know how else do that in Acrobat unless I use the accessibility checker. I don't have access to the source documents for these PDFs. > 2. After running an accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that "there are x > number of words with characters that do not map to Unicode." ....Any possible > solutions or suggestions on this? How are you creating your PDF documents? If I begin in something like MS Word (or InDesign) and go to PDF, I do not seem to encounter this issue. Kathy's answer: Some of the documents were probably created in Matlab or Latex, if they have math notation in them. I suppose I am asking: What is your workflow for PDF document creation for both text and math-based documents? Kathy's answer: Many of the text-based documents were created in MS Word but probably not with structure. > 3. I've also gotten error messages that say, "x number of elements were not contained > within the structure tree." Say what? Wow - very helpful message. I have gotten this once before where some page content could not be added to the tagged structure. It was not text-based, so that may have been the problem (AA could not identify what it was). Kathy's comment: Again, this could be due to math/science notation in the document that Acrobat doesn't know what to do with. > 4. I've also run OCR on a PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF with some > math notation. When I have run an accessibility check on the allegedly OCR'ed file, > the report says there are no problems, which is hardly the case when there is math > notation. Hmmm - I am not sure I understand. Was there text on the page? Did that content get OCR'ed correctly or did nothing get recognized? Do you have an example I can play with? Kathy's comment: There was text on the page. It seems like even after Paper Capture (OCR) was run in Acrobat, it still retains its characteristics of an image-only file. I will email you the file separately to look at. It sounds as if you are attempting to create PDF documents containing math notation AND have these documents be accessible. I am not aware of any assistive computer technologies that can read native math equations within a PDF document. I know that Design Science was interested in doing some work on this, but I do not know how far they have progressed. Kathy's comment: I realize that screen readers cannot read math content. I am trying to get the text part of the PDF to be as accessible as possible. The departments that create these documents are going to need to create descriptive ALT tags that go with the math notation to make it meaningful, or find some other format. We are trying to push the departments to consider MathML but so far, no takers on a department level. Thank you for your help, Kathy Take care, Sean Sean Keegan Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kathleen Cahill Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:32 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Dear Colleagues; I am working with an MIT department that uses a lot of PDF files and am trying to help them get the "cleanest" PDF files possible. I would love to get some feedback from those of you who regularly use the Adobe Acrobat 7.0 accessibility checkers and do lots of tagging and alterations of document structure. I have some questions regarding files that originate in Microsoft Office or Latex format (full of math notation): 1. Sometimes, after running the accessibility check, I get an error message that "Acrobat was unable to make this document accessible because it could not save page structure (incorrect structure was found in PDF file). Could not save changes." Have you ever received a similar message and what did you do? 2. After running an accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that "there are x number of words with characters that do not map to Unicode." Acrobat suggests the user use a different font, recreate the PDF with a newer version of Distiller or use the latest Adobe Post Script driver to create a Post Script file, then a new PDF file. Usually, this error message come through on a document with lots of math notation. Any possible solutions or suggestions on this? 3. I've also gotten error messages that say, "x number of elements were not contained within the structure tree." Say what? 4. I've also run OCR on a PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF with some math notation. When I have run an accessibility check on the allegedly OCR'ed file, the report says there are no problems, which is hardly the case when there is math notation. If you have suggestions for me to try or know of any folks at Adobe I can contact, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you, Kathy Cahill ************************** Kathleen Cahill MIT ATIC (Adaptive Technology) Lab 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 email: kcahill@mit.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at htctu.net Tue Jan 23 17:07:57 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] postscript Accessibility questions In-Reply-To: <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC0433AC52@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> References: <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC0433AC52@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <007801c73f54$160a6050$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hi Terri, My understanding is that PostScript is a programming language for describing how a page should "look". PDF, for instance, uses a subset of the PostScript language for fonts, etc. For the most part, PDF has become the manner to display print information as opposed to PS. I am not aware of any assistive tech that "reads" PostScript directly. You could use something like Adobe Illustrator or Photoshop to open a PS file, but the result would be the visual rendering of what the PS code says to "do". In terms of processing content for a student, I think you have a bit more flexibility with today's PDF technology than with PostScript, but I am going to have to defer to others for their thoughts and opinions as I do not have much experience with PostScript itself. Take care, Sean _____ From: Terri Hedgpeth [mailto:terrih@asu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:23 PM To: skeegan@htctu.net; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] postscript Accessibility questions Sean and all, What about a post script file? What tool(s) can a student who is blind use to convert a post script file into a readable form and maintain the format? Thanks, Terri Dr. Terri Hedgpeth Academic Research Professional CUbiC #376, iCare (480) 727-8133 V (480) 965-1885 Fax CUbiC.asu.edu http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:04 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Hi Kathy, Thanks for the information. I wanted to distinguish between following a "standard" vs. making the PDF accessible to AT. I can see your challenge not having access to the original documents that may have begun as MS Word or other word processing files and then attempting to make everything accessible via Adobe Acrobat. You can add/remove tags to a PDF document without using the Accessibility Checker. - Open the untagged PDF document. - Use the Add Tags to Document option (under Advanced > Accessibility) If there are already tags for the document, then you will just need to check how the content is organized. I generally do this with the TouchUp Reading Order tool. - Turn on the TouchUp Reading Order tool (under Advanced > Accessibility) - Visually scan the document for any major overlaps in content of text/equations on the page. You can rezone the content using the reading order palette for content vs. equations/images/etc. If there are equations, these may be initially represented as "Table" or "Figure - No alternative text exists" after adding tags to the PDF document. You can reclassify equations as "Formulas" and then go back and add alternative text (or leave them classified as Figures and add the appropriate text description). You can also create tags manually (well, semi-manually) by using the TouchUp Reading Order tool on a page-by-page basis. Content that you zone and then set using the reading order palette automatically gets a tag created in the Tags tab. Hope this helps. Let me know if you have tried this and it is not working. Take care, Sean _____ From: Kathleen Cahill [mailto:kcahill@MIT.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 12:13 PM To: skeegan@htctu.net; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Hi Shawn; Let me answer your questions below (my answers are in dark purple -- hope it comes through): -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 2:05 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Hi Kathy, > I am working with an MIT department that uses a lot of PDF files and am trying to help > them get the "cleanest" PDF files possible. Not sure if I quite understand what you mean. Do you mean a PDF document that is "tagged" according to a certain specification or do you mean a PDF document that works with assistive computer technology (or a bit of both)? My answer: I mean a PDF document that is tagged in Acrobat so it will work better with AT. > Sometimes, after running the accessibility check, I get an error message that "Acrobat > was unable to make this document accessible because it could not save page structure > (incorrect structure was found in PDF file). Could not save changes." Have you ever > received a similar message and what did you do? I am assuming that you are referring to the Accessibility Checker in AA 7. The short answer is that I tend to avoid using the accessibility checker - yes, it has gotten better, but it still gives a lot of "You may need to check this" type responses. Also, you can get messages like "Provide Missing Unicode Encodings" and this cannot be fixed from within AA - not very helpful. I prefer to save the PDF document as a Text (Accessible) file and then open the file in a text editor/word processor. I spot check the document as to where I have concerns with the reading order of the content. Content that a screen-reader may interpret will be identified in brackets "[ ]". Kathy's answer: That probably won't work very well if I can't use the accessibility checker in Adobe Acrobat 7.0. Many of these documents have math notation in them. I realize that screen readers will not read the math and science notation but if I'm trying to also apply some structure to the PDF, I don't know how else do that in Acrobat unless I use the accessibility checker. I don't have access to the source documents for these PDFs. > 2. After running an accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that "there are x > number of words with characters that do not map to Unicode." ....Any possible > solutions or suggestions on this? How are you creating your PDF documents? If I begin in something like MS Word (or InDesign) and go to PDF, I do not seem to encounter this issue. Kathy's answer: Some of the documents were probably created in Matlab or Latex, if they have math notation in them. I suppose I am asking: What is your workflow for PDF document creation for both text and math-based documents? Kathy's answer: Many of the text-based documents were created in MS Word but probably not with structure. > 3. I've also gotten error messages that say, "x number of elements were not contained > within the structure tree." Say what? Wow - very helpful message. I have gotten this once before where some page content could not be added to the tagged structure. It was not text-based, so that may have been the problem (AA could not identify what it was). Kathy's comment: Again, this could be due to math/science notation in the document that Acrobat doesn't know what to do with. > 4. I've also run OCR on a PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF with some > math notation. When I have run an accessibility check on the allegedly OCR'ed file, > the report says there are no problems, which is hardly the case when there is math > notation. Hmmm - I am not sure I understand. Was there text on the page? Did that content get OCR'ed correctly or did nothing get recognized? Do you have an example I can play with? Kathy's comment: There was text on the page. It seems like even after Paper Capture (OCR) was run in Acrobat, it still retains its characteristics of an image-only file. I will email you the file separately to look at. It sounds as if you are attempting to create PDF documents containing math notation AND have these documents be accessible. I am not aware of any assistive computer technologies that can read native math equations within a PDF document. I know that Design Science was interested in doing some work on this, but I do not know how far they have progressed. Kathy's comment: I realize that screen readers cannot read math content. I am trying to get the text part of the PDF to be as accessible as possible. The departments that create these documents are going to need to create descriptive ALT tags that go with the math notation to make it meaningful, or find some other format. We are trying to push the departments to consider MathML but so far, no takers on a department level. Thank you for your help, Kathy Take care, Sean Sean Keegan Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kathleen Cahill Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:32 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions Dear Colleagues; I am working with an MIT department that uses a lot of PDF files and am trying to help them get the "cleanest" PDF files possible. I would love to get some feedback from those of you who regularly use the Adobe Acrobat 7.0 accessibility checkers and do lots of tagging and alterations of document structure. I have some questions regarding files that originate in Microsoft Office or Latex format (full of math notation): 1. Sometimes, after running the accessibility check, I get an error message that "Acrobat was unable to make this document accessible because it could not save page structure (incorrect structure was found in PDF file). Could not save changes." Have you ever received a similar message and what did you do? 2. After running an accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that "there are x number of words with characters that do not map to Unicode." Acrobat suggests the user use a different font, recreate the PDF with a newer version of Distiller or use the latest Adobe Post Script driver to create a Post Script file, then a new PDF file. Usually, this error message come through on a document with lots of math notation. Any possible solutions or suggestions on this? 3. I've also gotten error messages that say, "x number of elements were not contained within the structure tree." Say what? 4. I've also run OCR on a PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF with some math notation. When I have run an accessibility check on the allegedly OCR'ed file, the report says there are no problems, which is hardly the case when there is math notation. If you have suggestions for me to try or know of any folks at Adobe I can contact, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thank you, Kathy Cahill ************************** Kathleen Cahill MIT ATIC (Adaptive Technology) Lab 77 Mass. 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URL: From danc at u.washington.edu Tue Jan 23 17:20:30 2007 From: danc at u.washington.edu (Dan Comden) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] postscript Accessibility questions In-Reply-To: <007801c73f54$160a6050$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC0433AC52@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> <007801c73f54$160a6050$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: Ghostscript is a utility that will convert postscript files to PDF, though in the FAQ, it's noted to do so with "some limitations" Staff here have used it on occasion to work with math image files, though I don't have much direct experience with it. http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ and http://www.ghostscript.com/awki are two places to read more about it -*- Dan Comden danc@u.washington.edu Access Technology Lab http://www.washington.edu/computing/atl/ University of Washington On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Sean Keegan wrote: > Hi Terri, > > My understanding is that PostScript is a programming language for describing > how a page should "look". PDF, for instance, uses a subset of the > PostScript language for fonts, etc. For the most part, PDF has become the > manner to display print information as opposed to PS. > > I am not aware of any assistive tech that "reads" PostScript directly. You > could use something like Adobe Illustrator or Photoshop to open a PS file, > but the result would be the visual rendering of what the PS code says to > "do". > > In terms of processing content for a student, I think you have a bit more > flexibility with today's PDF technology than with PostScript, but I am going > to have to defer to others for their thoughts and opinions as I do not have > much experience with PostScript itself. > > Take care, > Sean > > _____ > > From: Terri Hedgpeth [mailto:terrih@asu.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:23 PM > To: skeegan@htctu.net; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: RE: [Athen] postscript Accessibility questions > > > > Sean and all, > > What about a post script file? What tool(s) can a student who is blind use > to convert a post script file into a readable form and maintain the format? > > Thanks, > > Terri > > > > > > Dr. Terri Hedgpeth > > Academic Research Professional > > CUbiC #376, iCare > > (480) 727-8133 V > > (480) 965-1885 Fax > > CUbiC.asu.edu > > http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ > > > > _____ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Sean Keegan > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:04 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions > > > > Hi Kathy, > > > > Thanks for the information. I wanted to distinguish between following a > "standard" vs. making the PDF accessible to AT. I can see your challenge > not having access to the original documents that may have begun as MS Word > or other word processing files and then attempting to make everything > accessible via Adobe Acrobat. > > > > You can add/remove tags to a PDF document without using the Accessibility > Checker. > > - Open the untagged PDF document. > > - Use the Add Tags to Document option (under Advanced > Accessibility) > > > > If there are already tags for the document, then you will just need to check > how the content is organized. I generally do this with the TouchUp Reading > Order tool. > > > > - Turn on the TouchUp Reading Order tool (under Advanced > Accessibility) > > - Visually scan the document for any major overlaps in content of > text/equations on the page. You can rezone the content using the reading > order palette for content vs. equations/images/etc. > > > > If there are equations, these may be initially represented as "Table" or > "Figure - No alternative text exists" after adding tags to the PDF document. > You can reclassify equations as "Formulas" and then go back and add > alternative text (or leave them classified as Figures and add the > appropriate text description). > > > > You can also create tags manually (well, semi-manually) by using the TouchUp > Reading Order tool on a page-by-page basis. Content that you zone and then > set using the reading order palette automatically gets a tag created in the > Tags tab. > > > > Hope this helps. Let me know if you have tried this and it is not working. > > > Take care, > > Sean > > > > _____ > > From: Kathleen Cahill [mailto:kcahill@MIT.EDU] > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 12:13 PM > To: skeegan@htctu.net; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: RE: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions > > Hi Shawn; > > Let me answer your questions below (my answers are in dark purple -- hope it > comes through): > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Sean Keegan > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 2:05 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions > > Hi Kathy, > >> I am working with an MIT department that uses a lot of PDF files and am > > trying to help > >> them get the "cleanest" PDF files possible. > > Not sure if I quite understand what you mean. Do you mean a PDF document > > that is "tagged" according to a certain specification or do you mean a PDF > > document that works with assistive computer technology (or a bit of both)? > > My answer: I mean a PDF document that is tagged in Acrobat so it will work > better with AT. > >> Sometimes, after running the accessibility check, I get an error message > > that "Acrobat > >> was unable to make this document accessible because it could not save page > > structure > >> (incorrect structure was found in PDF file). Could not save changes." > > Have you ever > >> received a similar message and what did you do? > > I am assuming that you are referring to the Accessibility Checker in AA 7. > > The short answer is that I tend to avoid using the accessibility checker - > > yes, it has gotten better, but it still gives a lot of "You may need to > > check this" type responses. Also, you can get messages like "Provide > > Missing Unicode Encodings" and this cannot be fixed from within AA - not > > very helpful. > > I prefer to save the PDF document as a Text (Accessible) file and then open > > the file in a text editor/word processor. I spot check the document as to > > where I have concerns with the reading order of the content. Content that a > > screen-reader may interpret will be identified in brackets "[ ]". > > Kathy's answer: That probably won't work very well if I can't use the > accessibility checker in Adobe Acrobat 7.0. Many of these documents have > math notation in them. I realize that screen readers will not read the math > and science notation but if I'm trying to also apply some structure to the > PDF, I don't know how else do that in Acrobat unless I use the accessibility > checker. I don't have access to the source documents for these PDFs. > >> 2. After running an accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that > > "there are x > number of words with characters that do not map to Unicode." > > ....Any possible > >> solutions or suggestions on this? > > How are you creating your PDF documents? If I begin in something like MS > > Word (or InDesign) and go to PDF, I do not seem to encounter this issue. > > Kathy's answer: Some of the documents were probably created in Matlab or > Latex, if they have math notation in them. > > I suppose I am asking: What is your workflow for PDF document creation for > > both text and math-based documents? > > Kathy's answer: Many of the text-based documents were created in MS Word > but probably not with structure. > >> 3. I've also gotten error messages that say, "x number of elements were > > not contained > >> within the structure tree." Say what? > > Wow - very helpful message. I have gotten this once before where some page > > content could not be added to the tagged structure. It was not text-based, > > so that may have been the problem (AA could not identify what it was). > > Kathy's comment: Again, this could be due to math/science notation in the > document that Acrobat doesn't know what to do with. > >> 4. I've also run OCR on a PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF > > with some > >> math notation. When I have run an accessibility check on the allegedly > > OCR'ed file, > >> the report says there are no problems, which is hardly the case when there > > is math > >> notation. > > Hmmm - I am not sure I understand. Was there text on the page? Did that > > content get OCR'ed correctly or did nothing get recognized? Do you have an > > example I can play with? > > Kathy's comment: There was text on the page. It seems like even after > Paper Capture (OCR) was run in Acrobat, it still retains its characteristics > of an image-only file. I will email you the file separately to look at. > > It sounds as if you are attempting to create PDF documents containing math > > notation AND have these documents be accessible. I am not aware of any > > assistive computer technologies that can read native math equations within a > > PDF document. I know that Design Science was interested in doing some work > > on this, but I do not know how far they have progressed. > > Kathy's comment: I realize that screen readers cannot read math content. I > am trying to get the text part of the PDF to be as accessible as possible. > The departments that create these documents are going to need to create > descriptive ALT tags that go with the math notation to make it meaningful, > or find some other format. We are trying to push the departments to > consider MathML but so far, no takers on a department level. > > Thank you for your help, > Kathy > > Take care, > > Sean > > Sean Keegan > > Web Accessibility Instructor > > High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > > Behalf Of Kathleen Cahill > > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:32 AM > > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > > Subject: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions > > Dear Colleagues; > > I am working with an MIT department that uses a lot of PDF files and am > > trying to help them get the "cleanest" PDF files possible. I would love to > > get some feedback from those of you who regularly use the Adobe Acrobat 7.0 > > accessibility checkers and do lots of tagging and alterations of document > > structure. > > I have some questions regarding files that originate in Microsoft Office or > > Latex format (full of math notation): > > 1. Sometimes, after running the accessibility check, I get an error message > > that "Acrobat was unable to make this document accessible because it could > > not save page structure (incorrect structure was found in PDF file). Could > > not save changes." Have you ever received a similar message and what did > > you do? > > 2. After running an accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that > > "there are x number of words with characters that do not map to Unicode." > > Acrobat suggests the user use a different font, recreate the PDF with a > > newer version of Distiller or use the latest Adobe Post Script driver to > > create a Post Script file, then a new PDF file. Usually, this error message > > come through on a document with lots of math notation. Any possible > > solutions or suggestions on this? > > 3. I've also gotten error messages that say, "x number of elements were not > > contained within the structure tree." Say what? > > 4. I've also run OCR on a PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF > > with some math notation. When I have run an accessibility check on the > > allegedly OCR'ed file, the report says there are no problems, which is > > hardly the case when there is math notation. > > If you have suggestions for me to try or know of any folks at Adobe I can > > contact, I'd greatly appreciate it. > > Thank you, > > Kathy Cahill > > ************************** > > Kathleen Cahill > > MIT ATIC (Adaptive Technology) Lab > > 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 > > Cambridge MA 02139 > > (617) 253-5111 > > email: kcahill@mit.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > From pratikp1 at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 18:07:15 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] postscript Accessibility questions In-Reply-To: References: <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC0433AC52@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu><007801c73f54$160a6050$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <020f01c73f5c$5ef3de10$6405050a@LENOVO1C5CE3C3> Acrobat Pro will also take postscript files and convert then to readable texts. You may need to do some further edits on the files after they are ported to PDF. Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:21 PM To: skeegan@htctu.net; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] postscript Accessibility questions Ghostscript is a utility that will convert postscript files to PDF, though in the FAQ, it's noted to do so with "some limitations" Staff here have used it on occasion to work with math image files, though I don't have much direct experience with it. http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ and http://www.ghostscript.com/awki are two places to read more about it -*- Dan Comden danc@u.washington.edu Access Technology Lab http://www.washington.edu/computing/atl/ University of Washington On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Sean Keegan wrote: > Hi Terri, > > My understanding is that PostScript is a programming language for describing > how a page should "look". PDF, for instance, uses a subset of the > PostScript language for fonts, etc. For the most part, PDF has become the > manner to display print information as opposed to PS. > > I am not aware of any assistive tech that "reads" PostScript directly. You > could use something like Adobe Illustrator or Photoshop to open a PS file, > but the result would be the visual rendering of what the PS code says to > "do". > > In terms of processing content for a student, I think you have a bit more > flexibility with today's PDF technology than with PostScript, but I am going > to have to defer to others for their thoughts and opinions as I do not have > much experience with PostScript itself. > > Take care, > Sean > > _____ > > From: Terri Hedgpeth [mailto:terrih@asu.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:23 PM > To: skeegan@htctu.net; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: RE: [Athen] postscript Accessibility questions > > > > Sean and all, > > What about a post script file? What tool(s) can a student who is blind use > to convert a post script file into a readable form and maintain the format? > > Thanks, > > Terri > > > > > > Dr. Terri Hedgpeth > > Academic Research Professional > > CUbiC #376, iCare > > (480) 727-8133 V > > (480) 965-1885 Fax > > CUbiC.asu.edu > > http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ > > > > _____ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Sean Keegan > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:04 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions > > > > Hi Kathy, > > > > Thanks for the information. I wanted to distinguish between following a > "standard" vs. making the PDF accessible to AT. I can see your challenge > not having access to the original documents that may have begun as MS Word > or other word processing files and then attempting to make everything > accessible via Adobe Acrobat. > > > > You can add/remove tags to a PDF document without using the Accessibility > Checker. > > - Open the untagged PDF document. > > - Use the Add Tags to Document option (under Advanced > Accessibility) > > > > If there are already tags for the document, then you will just need to check > how the content is organized. I generally do this with the TouchUp Reading > Order tool. > > > > - Turn on the TouchUp Reading Order tool (under Advanced > Accessibility) > > - Visually scan the document for any major overlaps in content of > text/equations on the page. You can rezone the content using the reading > order palette for content vs. equations/images/etc. > > > > If there are equations, these may be initially represented as "Table" or > "Figure - No alternative text exists" after adding tags to the PDF document. > You can reclassify equations as "Formulas" and then go back and add > alternative text (or leave them classified as Figures and add the > appropriate text description). > > > > You can also create tags manually (well, semi-manually) by using the TouchUp > Reading Order tool on a page-by-page basis. Content that you zone and then > set using the reading order palette automatically gets a tag created in the > Tags tab. > > > > Hope this helps. Let me know if you have tried this and it is not working. > > > Take care, > > Sean > > > > _____ > > From: Kathleen Cahill [mailto:kcahill@MIT.EDU] > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 12:13 PM > To: skeegan@htctu.net; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: RE: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions > > Hi Shawn; > > Let me answer your questions below (my answers are in dark purple -- hope it > comes through): > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Sean Keegan > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 2:05 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions > > Hi Kathy, > >> I am working with an MIT department that uses a lot of PDF files and am > > trying to help > >> them get the "cleanest" PDF files possible. > > Not sure if I quite understand what you mean. Do you mean a PDF document > > that is "tagged" according to a certain specification or do you mean a PDF > > document that works with assistive computer technology (or a bit of both)? > > My answer: I mean a PDF document that is tagged in Acrobat so it will work > better with AT. > >> Sometimes, after running the accessibility check, I get an error message > > that "Acrobat > >> was unable to make this document accessible because it could not save page > > structure > >> (incorrect structure was found in PDF file). Could not save changes." > > Have you ever > >> received a similar message and what did you do? > > I am assuming that you are referring to the Accessibility Checker in AA 7. > > The short answer is that I tend to avoid using the accessibility checker - > > yes, it has gotten better, but it still gives a lot of "You may need to > > check this" type responses. Also, you can get messages like "Provide > > Missing Unicode Encodings" and this cannot be fixed from within AA - not > > very helpful. > > I prefer to save the PDF document as a Text (Accessible) file and then open > > the file in a text editor/word processor. I spot check the document as to > > where I have concerns with the reading order of the content. Content that a > > screen-reader may interpret will be identified in brackets "[ ]". > > Kathy's answer: That probably won't work very well if I can't use the > accessibility checker in Adobe Acrobat 7.0. Many of these documents have > math notation in them. I realize that screen readers will not read the math > and science notation but if I'm trying to also apply some structure to the > PDF, I don't know how else do that in Acrobat unless I use the accessibility > checker. I don't have access to the source documents for these PDFs. > >> 2. After running an accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that > > "there are x > number of words with characters that do not map to Unicode." > > ....Any possible > >> solutions or suggestions on this? > > How are you creating your PDF documents? If I begin in something like MS > > Word (or InDesign) and go to PDF, I do not seem to encounter this issue. > > Kathy's answer: Some of the documents were probably created in Matlab or > Latex, if they have math notation in them. > > I suppose I am asking: What is your workflow for PDF document creation for > > both text and math-based documents? > > Kathy's answer: Many of the text-based documents were created in MS Word > but probably not with structure. > >> 3. I've also gotten error messages that say, "x number of elements were > > not contained > >> within the structure tree." Say what? > > Wow - very helpful message. I have gotten this once before where some page > > content could not be added to the tagged structure. It was not text-based, > > so that may have been the problem (AA could not identify what it was). > > Kathy's comment: Again, this could be due to math/science notation in the > document that Acrobat doesn't know what to do with. > >> 4. I've also run OCR on a PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF > > with some > >> math notation. When I have run an accessibility check on the allegedly > > OCR'ed file, > >> the report says there are no problems, which is hardly the case when there > > is math > >> notation. > > Hmmm - I am not sure I understand. Was there text on the page? Did that > > content get OCR'ed correctly or did nothing get recognized? Do you have an > > example I can play with? > > Kathy's comment: There was text on the page. It seems like even after > Paper Capture (OCR) was run in Acrobat, it still retains its characteristics > of an image-only file. I will email you the file separately to look at. > > It sounds as if you are attempting to create PDF documents containing math > > notation AND have these documents be accessible. I am not aware of any > > assistive computer technologies that can read native math equations within a > > PDF document. I know that Design Science was interested in doing some work > > on this, but I do not know how far they have progressed. > > Kathy's comment: I realize that screen readers cannot read math content. I > am trying to get the text part of the PDF to be as accessible as possible. > The departments that create these documents are going to need to create > descriptive ALT tags that go with the math notation to make it meaningful, > or find some other format. We are trying to push the departments to > consider MathML but so far, no takers on a department level. > > Thank you for your help, > Kathy > > Take care, > > Sean > > Sean Keegan > > Web Accessibility Instructor > > High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > > Behalf Of Kathleen Cahill > > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:32 AM > > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > > Subject: [Athen] PDF Accessibility questions > > Dear Colleagues; > > I am working with an MIT department that uses a lot of PDF files and am > > trying to help them get the "cleanest" PDF files possible. I would love to > > get some feedback from those of you who regularly use the Adobe Acrobat 7.0 > > accessibility checkers and do lots of tagging and alterations of document > > structure. > > I have some questions regarding files that originate in Microsoft Office or > > Latex format (full of math notation): > > 1. Sometimes, after running the accessibility check, I get an error message > > that "Acrobat was unable to make this document accessible because it could > > not save page structure (incorrect structure was found in PDF file). Could > > not save changes." Have you ever received a similar message and what did > > you do? > > 2. After running an accessibility check, sometimes I get a message that > > "there are x number of words with characters that do not map to Unicode." > > Acrobat suggests the user use a different font, recreate the PDF with a > > newer version of Distiller or use the latest Adobe Post Script driver to > > create a Post Script file, then a new PDF file. Usually, this error message > > come through on a document with lots of math notation. Any possible > > solutions or suggestions on this? > > 3. I've also gotten error messages that say, "x number of elements were not > > contained within the structure tree." Say what? > > 4. I've also run OCR on a PDF that looked like it was an image only PDF > > with some math notation. When I have run an accessibility check on the > > allegedly OCR'ed file, the report says there are no problems, which is > > hardly the case when there is math notation. > > If you have suggestions for me to try or know of any folks at Adobe I can > > contact, I'd greatly appreciate it. > > Thank you, > > Kathy Cahill > > ************************** > > Kathleen Cahill > > MIT ATIC (Adaptive Technology) Lab > > 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 > > Cambridge MA 02139 > > (617) 253-5111 > > email: kcahill@mit.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From dina.rosenbaum at carroll.org Wed Jan 24 06:32:07 2007 From: dina.rosenbaum at carroll.org (Dina Rosenbaum) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Freedom Scientific Workshop at The Carroll Center Technology Center Message-ID: <45B76DE7.9000903@carroll.org> Join Eric Damery of Freedom Scientific on Tuesday, February 13 - at The Carroll Center - Newton, MA For "The Past, Present and Future of JAWS Screen Reading Technology" Eric Damery, Vice President of Software Product Management, for Freedom Scientific Blind/ Low Vision Group will discuss the evolution of JAWS screen reading technology. Eric will detail the key milestones in the development of JAWS, current features in JAWS 8.0, as well as, what the future holds for JAWS. Participants* in this workshop will learn more about accessibility to the PC and key applications utilizing JAWS screen reading software. Specific areas to be covered will include JAWS interfacing with desktop applications; navigating the Internet; Braille support; communicating with offsite computers and integration with other Freedom Scientific software and hardware technology. The new Windows VISTA operating system will be covered as well. One session will be held at The Carroll Center in Newton, MA from 9:30am to Noon. *The workshop(s) is designed for JAWS users; Assistive Technology/ Information Technology professionals; Teachers of the Visually Impaired; Disability Service Providers and Special Educators. Space is limited so please RSVP to register for this event. To register by phone/ email - contact: The Carroll Center Tel: 617-969-6200 x274 Email: nicki.haller@carroll.org Vision Dynamics LLC, (Freedom Scientific Premiere Channel Partner) Tel: 617-584-6539 Email: janderson@visiondynamics.com Bill Kilroy, Freedom Scientific Director/ Regional Manager Tel: (800)-444-4443 x1188 Email: Billk@Freedomscientific.com Event Logistics: Date: February 13, 2007 Time: 9:30 am - 12 noon Location: The Carroll Center 770 Centre Street Newton, MA 02458 The workshop will be held in the Carroll Center Computer Training Center. Best regards, Bill Kilroy Director, Eastern Regional Sales Freedom Scientific Blind/ Low Vision Group Toll free: 1-800-444-4443 x1188 Tel: 508-520-9639 Fax: 508-520-9737 http://www.Freedomscientific.com Freedom Scientific Low Vision Solutions Web Page http://www.Lowvisionsolutions.com ................................................................ This email should only be sent to those who have asked to receive it. To unsubscribe, return to the web form where you first subscribed and click the "unsubscribe" button, or contact the owner of the website. -- Dina Rosenbaum Carroll Center for the BLind 770 Centre St, Newton, MA 02459 800-852-3131 www.carroll.org www.carrolltech.org From bergerei at gse.harvard.edu Wed Jan 24 11:28:50 2007 From: bergerei at gse.harvard.edu (eileen berger) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Freedom Scientific Workshop at The Carroll Center Technology Center In-Reply-To: <45B76DE7.9000903@carroll.org> References: <45B76DE7.9000903@carroll.org> Message-ID: Hi , I would like to attend the presentation with my assistant Orpha Rivera. Thanks, Eileen Berger ads@gse.harvard.edu --On Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:32 AM -0500 Dina Rosenbaum wrote: > Join Eric Damery of Freedom Scientific on Tuesday, February 13 - at > > The Carroll Center - Newton, MA For "The Past, Present and Future of > JAWS Screen Reading Technology" > > Eric Damery, Vice President of Software Product Management, for > Freedom Scientific Blind/ Low Vision Group will discuss the evolution > of JAWS screen reading technology. Eric will detail the key milestones > in the development of JAWS, current features in JAWS 8.0, as well as, > what the future holds for JAWS. > > Participants* in this workshop will learn more about accessibility to > the PC and key applications utilizing JAWS screen reading software. > Specific areas to be covered will include JAWS interfacing with > desktop applications; navigating the Internet; Braille support; > communicating with offsite computers and integration with other > Freedom Scientific software and hardware technology. The new Windows > VISTA operating system will be covered as well. > > One session will be held at The Carroll Center in Newton, MA from > 9:30am to Noon. > > *The workshop(s) is designed for JAWS users; Assistive Technology/ > Information Technology professionals; Teachers of the Visually Impaired; > Disability Service Providers and Special Educators. > Space is limited so please RSVP to register for this event. > To register by phone/ email - contact: > > The Carroll Center > Tel: 617-969-6200 x274 > Email: nicki.haller@carroll.org > > Vision Dynamics LLC, (Freedom Scientific Premiere Channel Partner) > Tel: 617-584-6539 > Email: janderson@visiondynamics.com > > Bill Kilroy, Freedom Scientific Director/ Regional Manager > Tel: (800)-444-4443 x1188 > Email: Billk@Freedomscientific.com > > Event Logistics: > Date: February 13, 2007 > Time: 9:30 am - 12 noon > Location: The Carroll Center > 770 Centre Street > Newton, MA 02458 > The workshop will be held in the Carroll Center Computer Training Center. > > Best regards, > > Bill Kilroy > Director, Eastern Regional Sales > Freedom Scientific Blind/ Low Vision Group > Toll free: 1-800-444-4443 x1188 > Tel: 508-520-9639 > Fax: 508-520-9737 > > http://www.Freedomscientific.com > > Freedom Scientific Low Vision Solutions Web Page > http://www.Lowvisionsolutions.com > > ................................................................ > This email should only be sent to those who have asked to receive it. > To unsubscribe, return to the web form where you first subscribed and > click the "unsubscribe" button, or contact the owner of the website. > > > > -- > Dina Rosenbaum > Carroll Center for the BLind > 770 Centre St, Newton, MA 02459 > 800-852-3131 > www.carroll.org > www.carrolltech.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Eileen Connell Berger Assistant Director Office of Student Affairs, Access and Disability Services Administrator Harvard University Graduate School of Education Larsen Hall G05 14 Appian Way, Cambridge, Ma. 02138 phone: 617 495 5838 fax: 617 496 8024 bergerei@gse.harvard.edu ___________________________________________________________________ This message is intended for the designated recipient(s). It may contain confidential or proprietary information and may be subject to confidentiality protections. If you are not a designated recipient, you may not review copy or distribute this message. If you receive this in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you. From stacylee at ksu.edu Wed Jan 24 14:08:06 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Transcription Aid for Dragon Message-ID: <1169676486.45b7d8c63cbf0@webmail.ksu.edu> Has anyone seen/heard of/used this product? Its purpose is to take audio files, run them through Dragon, and then provide you with transcription software to correct the transcript as you listen to the audio. It's supposed to work with Dragon to improve accuracy as you correct the transcript. http://www.transcriptiongear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=TRANSAID-SGL&Category_Code=DIGITRANS-TOP&Product_Count=1 I'd love to have some kind of process by which I can create transcripts for recorded lectures without having to type out every word (or listen and then speak to Dragon). This *sounds* wonderful....but sometimes things that sound great, aren't. I'm really interested in hearing your feedback. Thanks, Stacy Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist Disability Support Services 202 Holton Hall Kansas State University Manhattan, KS 66506 Phone: 785-532-6441 FAX: 785-532-6457 Email: stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Wed Jan 24 16:38:28 2007 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Transcription Aid for Dragon In-Reply-To: <1169676486.45b7d8c63cbf0@webmail.ksu.edu> References: <1169676486.45b7d8c63cbf0@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <45B7FC04.8060604@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Stacy et al in Athenland, I personally use it the one with Dragon and several of our students use similar ones for class note transcriptions. One student has used a stand-alone speech-to-text digital recorder (panasonic, I think) which works extremely well for his needs. There is some editing involved in both cases, but with the new Version 9 of Dragon the headache factor has been much reduced! Our student who uses the panasonic (it's RRUS360 model) has raved over the practicality & usability of it. You can listen to it as an audio file and with the software installed on your PC, the recorder hooks up via a USB connection and the transcription is pretty automatic. Some editing would be necessary, but with a copy of the notes from class, it's not that hard to correct. Hope this is helpful. Wink Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Stacy L. Smith wrote: >Has anyone seen/heard of/used this product? Its purpose is to take >audio files, run them through Dragon, and then provide you with >transcription software to correct the transcript as you listen to the >audio. It's supposed to work with Dragon to improve accuracy as you >correct the transcript. > >http://www.transcriptiongear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=TRANSAID-SGL&Category_Code=DIGITRANS-TOP&Product_Count=1 > >I'd love to have some kind of process by which I can create transcripts >for recorded lectures without having to type out every word (or listen >and then speak to Dragon). This *sounds* wonderful....but sometimes >things that sound great, aren't. I'm really interested in hearing your >feedback. > >Thanks, >Stacy > > > >Stacy Smith >Adaptive Technology Specialist >Disability Support Services >202 Holton Hall >Kansas State University >Manhattan, KS 66506 >Phone: 785-532-6441 >FAX: 785-532-6457 >Email: stacylee@ksu.edu > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient >or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you >are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and >that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action >based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If >you have received this communication in error, please notify us >immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > From ea at emptech.info Thu Jan 25 01:05:44 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Transcription Aid for Dragon In-Reply-To: <45B7FC04.8060604@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: <002101c7405f$ff9b7f40$0a01a8c0@laptop> To add to the collection of Dictaphones that work well - If you want an accessible one for transcription try the Olympus DS-30 and DS-40 ( or DS-50 possibly UK only) as they have been designed with the help of the RNIB and all have audible or voice feedback for their navigation actions - the buttons are tactile and the screen much more readable. Very easy menu system, download options and transcription with Dragon Naturallyspeaking 9 http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_vr_digitalrecorders.asp I have one and it really has worked well in many settings. At the moment we reckon you benefit from using an extra directional microphone placed near the speaker if you are recording a lecture but the UK Olympus man said they were thinking of bringing out a separate more powerful mic for the DS-50 which has a tie-click type for the removable mic at the moment. Best Wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Assistive Technologist Mobile: 07976 289103 http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:38 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Transcription Aid for Dragon Stacy et al in Athenland, I personally use it the one with Dragon and several of our students use similar ones for class note transcriptions. One student has used a stand-alone speech-to-text digital recorder (panasonic, I think) which works extremely well for his needs. There is some editing involved in both cases, but with the new Version 9 of Dragon the headache factor has been much reduced! Our student who uses the panasonic (it's RRUS360 model) has raved over the practicality & usability of it. You can listen to it as an audio file and with the software installed on your PC, the recorder hooks up via a USB connection and the transcription is pretty automatic. Some editing would be necessary, but with a copy of the notes from class, it's not that hard to correct. Hope this is helpful. Wink Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Stacy L. Smith wrote: >Has anyone seen/heard of/used this product? Its purpose is to take >audio files, run them through Dragon, and then provide you with >transcription software to correct the transcript as you listen to the >audio. It's supposed to work with Dragon to improve accuracy as you >correct the transcript. > >http://www.transcriptiongear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Pro >duct_Code=TRANSAID-SGL&Category_Code=DIGITRANS-TOP&Product_Count=1 > >I'd love to have some kind of process by which I can create transcripts >for recorded lectures without having to type out every word (or listen >and then speak to Dragon). This *sounds* wonderful....but sometimes >things that sound great, aren't. I'm really interested in hearing your >feedback. > >Thanks, >Stacy > > > >Stacy Smith >Adaptive Technology Specialist >Disability Support Services >202 Holton Hall >Kansas State University >Manhattan, KS 66506 >Phone: 785-532-6441 >FAX: 785-532-6457 >Email: stacylee@ksu.edu > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient >or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, >you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error >and that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any >action based on the contents of this information is strictly >prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please >notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 24/01/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 24/01/2007 From stacylee at ksu.edu Thu Jan 25 07:39:32 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Transcription Aid for Dragon In-Reply-To: <45B7FC04.8060604@mcmail.maricopa.edu> References: <1169676486.45b7d8c63cbf0@webmail.ksu.edu> <45B7FC04.8060604@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: <1169739572.45b8cf342faa0@webmail.ksu.edu> Wink - Thanks for the response! I wanted to clarify, though - are you using Dragon alone, or Dragon with this Transcription Aid program? Stacy Quoting Wink Harner : > Stacy et al in Athenland, > > I personally use it the one with Dragon and several of our students > use > similar ones for class note transcriptions. One student has used a > stand-alone speech-to-text digital recorder (panasonic, I think) > which > works extremely well for his needs. There is some editing involved > in > both cases, but with the new Version 9 of Dragon the headache factor > has > been much reduced! Our student who uses the panasonic (it's RRUS360 > model) has raved over the practicality & usability of it. You can > listen > to it as an audio file and with the software installed on your PC, > the > recorder hooks up via a USB connection and the transcription is > pretty > automatic. Some editing would be necessary, but with a copy of the > notes > from class, it's not that hard to correct. > > Hope this is helpful. > > Wink > Ms. Wink Harner > Manager > Disability Resources & Services > Mesa Community College > > > > > Stacy L. Smith wrote: > > >Has anyone seen/heard of/used this product? Its purpose is to take > >audio files, run them through Dragon, and then provide you with > >transcription software to correct the transcript as you listen to > the > >audio. It's supposed to work with Dragon to improve accuracy as you > >correct the transcript. > > > >http://www.transcriptiongear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=TRANSAID-SGL&Category_Code=DIGITRANS-TOP&Product_Count=1 > > > >I'd love to have some kind of process by which I can create > transcripts > >for recorded lectures without having to type out every word (or > listen > >and then speak to Dragon). This *sounds* wonderful....but sometimes > >things that sound great, aren't. I'm really interested in hearing > your > >feedback. > > > >Thanks, > >Stacy > > > > > > > >Stacy Smith > >Adaptive Technology Specialist > >Disability Support Services > >202 Holton Hall > >Kansas State University > >Manhattan, KS 66506 > >Phone: 785-532-6441 > >FAX: 785-532-6457 > >Email: stacylee@ksu.edu > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >This information is confidential. 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From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Thu Jan 25 08:27:48 2007 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Transcription Aid for Dragon In-Reply-To: <1169739572.45b8cf342faa0@webmail.ksu.edu> References: <1169676486.45b7d8c63cbf0@webmail.ksu.edu> <45B7FC04.8060604@mcmail.maricopa.edu> <1169739572.45b8cf342faa0@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <45B8DA84.9030507@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Stacy, I use both --in the office & the classroom I use Dragon w/Bluetooth for both office work & presentation/teaching (and the students LOVE the geekiness of my using wireless dictation in the classroom!!), and in meetings I use the portable one because I cannot physically take notes. I subscribe to the state motto for Missouri --"show me"-- and try stuff out before I either buy it or recommend it. Both work. Depends on what the student needs to be able to do. One is not dependent on the other --the only reason I recommended using the one packaged with Dragon is that IF you are using Dragon at the desktop, the equipment that works best is often the one the software company recommends and the voice files are compatible. Any more questions? Just ask! Wink Stacy L. Smith wrote: >Wink - > >Thanks for the response! I wanted to clarify, though - are you using >Dragon alone, or Dragon with this Transcription Aid program? > >Stacy > >Quoting Wink Harner : > > > >>Stacy et al in Athenland, >> >>I personally use it the one with Dragon and several of our students >>use >>similar ones for class note transcriptions. One student has used a >>stand-alone speech-to-text digital recorder (panasonic, I think) >>which >>works extremely well for his needs. There is some editing involved >>in >>both cases, but with the new Version 9 of Dragon the headache factor >>has >>been much reduced! Our student who uses the panasonic (it's RRUS360 >>model) has raved over the practicality & usability of it. You can >>listen >>to it as an audio file and with the software installed on your PC, >>the >>recorder hooks up via a USB connection and the transcription is >>pretty >>automatic. Some editing would be necessary, but with a copy of the >>notes >>from class, it's not that hard to correct. >> >>Hope this is helpful. >> >>Wink >>Ms. Wink Harner >>Manager >>Disability Resources & Services >>Mesa Community College >> >> >> >> >>Stacy L. Smith wrote: >> >> >> >>>Has anyone seen/heard of/used this product? Its purpose is to take >>>audio files, run them through Dragon, and then provide you with >>>transcription software to correct the transcript as you listen to >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>audio. It's supposed to work with Dragon to improve accuracy as you >>>correct the transcript. >>> >>> >>> >>http://www.transcriptiongear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=TRANSAID-SGL&Category_Code=DIGITRANS-TOP&Product_Count=1 >> >> >>>I'd love to have some kind of process by which I can create >>> >>> >>transcripts >> >> >>>for recorded lectures without having to type out every word (or >>> >>> >>listen >> >> >>>and then speak to Dragon). This *sounds* wonderful....but sometimes >>>things that sound great, aren't. I'm really interested in hearing >>> >>> >>your >> >> >>>feedback. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Stacy >>> >>> >>> >>>Stacy Smith >>>Adaptive Technology Specialist >>>Disability Support Services >>>202 Holton Hall >>>Kansas State University >>>Manhattan, KS 66506 >>>Phone: 785-532-6441 >>>FAX: 785-532-6457 >>>Email: stacylee@ksu.edu >>> >>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>This information is confidential. If you are not the intended >>> >>> >>recipient >> >> >>>or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, >>> >>> >>you >> >> >>>are hereby notified that you have received this document in error >>> >>> >>and >> >> >>>that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action >>>based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. >>> >>> >>If >> >> >>>you have received this communication in error, please notify us >>>immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Athen mailing list >>>Athen@athenpro.org >>>http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Athen mailing list >>Athen@athenpro.org >>http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> >> >> >> > > >Stacy Smith >Adaptive Technology Specialist >Disability Support Services >202 Holton Hall >Kansas State University >Manhattan, KS 66506 >Phone: 785-532-6441 >FAX: 785-532-6457 >Email: stacylee@ksu.edu > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient >or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you >are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and >that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action >based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If >you have received this communication in error, please notify us >immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Jan 25 10:38:10 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Zoomtext for MS Win2002 Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711696607A@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Colleagues, A campus department contacted me and needs ZT loaded on a workstation for a l/v student. They are adamant that it be compatible with MS-Windows 2002. So adamant, in fact, that they have me second guessing which specific version of ZoomText I should load. I have discs going back to 8.02. Any suggestions as to the proper load or should I pull up my bootstraps and tell the department IT folk to get out of my way? --Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Jan 25 10:54:28 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] More ZT Questions Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C71169660DD@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> How exactly does the Networked version of ZoomText work? ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Jan 25 11:15:45 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] More ZT Questions (Ignore) In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C71169660DD@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116966169@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Ignore this question -- I just got off the phone with various involved parties and the issue is much larger. ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J >Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:54 PM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: [Athen] More ZT Questions > >How exactly does the Networked version of ZoomText work? > > >========================= >Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director >Boston University Office of Disability Services >19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor >Boston, MA 02215 > >(617) 353-3658 (office) >(617) 353-9646 (fax) >djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) >www.bu.edu/disability > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From kevin.sesock at okstate.edu Thu Jan 25 11:25:11 2007 From: kevin.sesock at okstate.edu (Sesock, Kevin A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] More ZT Questions In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C71169660DD@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C71169660DD@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE095BF@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> Daniel: First of all, regarding your questions regarding Windows "2002" (I can only assume you mean Windows XP), the version 8 of ZoomText should work just fine. Version 9 is recommended for some of its feature enhancements and broader support of newer hardware/software, but 8 should work. As for the Networked version of ZoomText, it works, but there are issues with it. For example, there are very few good ways to pass settings to machines from the server-based installation. Also, in version 9.0, there were a lot of problems with proper rights assignments affecting the ability to install or use the software. Things had to be just "so". This also holds true with 9.02 in a few ways. I've discovered, much to our chagrin, that the network capabilities in ZT9, while a good start, are not in parallel with the network management and deployment features available in recent versions of MAGic (for example). Zoomtext, of course, has strength in some of its other capabilities, and the comparison between the two usually boils down to what is absolutely necessary at your location. Ultimately, however, the client computers attempt to connect to a Windows file share (usually through UNC path only), to verify that a license is available, and also to save or load user settings (if enabled). It's relatively simplistic, but you'll need a server (or an always-on) machine, with a little bit of storage space for user profiles and some way to load the software onto each computer you want it on. For the most part, this is going to be a disk cloning suite like Norton Ghost, Rembo, or something similar, which will probably be something your IT department manages in tandem with your labs. I suppose questions like how many computers you're going to load the software on, how many clients you expect to be using the software at any given time (concurrent licensing), and how many campuses you want access to the software (one campus versus several branches for site versus district licensening) will be key questions when it comes to the actual purchase itself. Sorry to ramble, but hopefully that information will help you. Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA Assistive Technology Specialist Student Disability Services Division of Student Affairs Oklahoma State University http://access.it.okstate.edu "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:54 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] More ZT Questions How exactly does the Networked version of ZoomText work? ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Thu Jan 25 11:26:19 2007 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Zoomtext for MS Win2002 In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711696607A@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711696607A@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <45B9045B.2090504@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Dann, I like the last paragraph best ;>) Wink Berkowitz, Daniel J wrote: >Colleagues, > >A campus department contacted me and needs ZT loaded on a workstation >for a l/v student. They are adamant that it be compatible with >MS-Windows 2002. So adamant, in fact, that they have me second guessing >which specific version of ZoomText I should load. I have discs going >back to 8.02. > >Any suggestions as to the proper load or should I *pull up my bootstraps >and tell the department IT folk to get out of my way?* > >--Dann > > >========================= >Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director >Boston University Office of Disability Services >19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor >Boston, MA 02215 > >(617) 353-3658 (office) >(617) 353-9646 (fax) >djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) >www.bu.edu/disability > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbailey at uoregon.edu Thu Jan 25 11:29:47 2007 From: jbailey at uoregon.edu (James Bailey) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] More ZT Questions In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C71169660DD@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C71169660DD@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: You pick a server as host and obviously it needs to be up and available to the network 24/7. I'm partial to print servers, but that's just me. You create a shared folder on the server. The documentation says it must have read and write privileges (which gets you interesting looks from the IT folks), but it only needs read privileges. Which is what AI Squared will tell you on the phone. Install the network license CD on the server and then open the server based shared folder on the client and install from there. Obviously, the clients have to "see" and stay connected to the shared folder on the server. We tested this across subnets and it worked. There is a section in the documentation about putting it on a machine image, but we largely ignored that. I can't say how well that works. Our plan does *not* call for remote management, so I don't plan to "push" updates and I'm not even sure that you can do that. We'll still install at the client. What I like about this is that we can own 20 seats, but have 200 installs. The license manager will prevent number 21 from starting. Under System Requirements they list Win 98 through XP. Win 2000 appears on the list but not Win 2002. Let me know if you have any questions. -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Berkowitz, Daniel J wrote: > How exactly does the Networked version of ZoomText work? > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Jan 25 11:40:27 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] More ZT Questions In-Reply-To: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE095BF@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711696621A@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Thanks Kevin, I thought MS Windows 2002 sounded funky. But the student was so adamant about it being as such that I began to question my prior knowledge. I just got off the phone with the student and the Medical Center DSS and issues are far larger than they originally appeared. Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A >Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:25 PM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: Re: [Athen] More ZT Questions > >Daniel: > >First of all, regarding your questions regarding Windows "2002" (I can >only assume you mean Windows XP), the version 8 of ZoomText should work >just fine. Version 9 is recommended for some of its feature enhancements >and broader support of newer hardware/software, but 8 should work. > >As for the Networked version of ZoomText, it works, but there are issues >with it. For example, there are very few good ways to pass settings to >machines from the server-based installation. Also, in version 9.0, there >were a lot of problems with proper rights assignments affecting the >ability to install or use the software. Things had to be just "so". This >also holds true with 9.02 in a few ways. I've discovered, much to our >chagrin, that the network capabilities in ZT9, while a good start, are >not in parallel with the network management and deployment features >available in recent versions of MAGic (for example). Zoomtext, of >course, has strength in some of its other capabilities, and the >comparison between the two usually boils down to what is absolutely >necessary at your location. > >Ultimately, however, the client computers attempt to connect to a >Windows file share (usually through UNC path only), to verify that a >license is available, and also to save or load user settings (if >enabled). It's relatively simplistic, but you'll need a server (or an >always-on) machine, with a little bit of storage space for user profiles >and some way to load the software onto each computer you want it on. For >the most part, this is going to be a disk cloning suite like Norton >Ghost, Rembo, or something similar, which will probably be something >your IT department manages in tandem with your labs. I suppose questions >like how many computers you're going to load the software on, how many >clients you expect to be using the software at any given time >(concurrent licensing), and how many campuses you want access to the >software (one campus versus several branches for site versus district >licensening) will be key questions when it comes to the actual purchase >itself. > >Sorry to ramble, but hopefully that information will help you. > >Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA >Assistive Technology Specialist >Student Disability Services >Division of Student Affairs >Oklahoma State University > >http://access.it.okstate.edu > >"Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, >delight to they who have listened." - Odin > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J >Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:54 PM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: [Athen] More ZT Questions > >How exactly does the Networked version of ZoomText work? > > >========================= >Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director >Boston University Office of Disability Services >19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor >Boston, MA 02215 > >(617) 353-3658 (office) >(617) 353-9646 (fax) >djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) >www.bu.edu/disability > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From rbeach at kckcc.edu Thu Jan 25 12:06:30 2007 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] More ZT Questions Message-ID: Dan, I'd be willing to bet the student means MS Office 2002 rather than Windows 2002. I get that all the time. Either way, it's still XP and ZT 8 or 9 should work fine. There are some rights issues with 9 that are still making me crazy every time I install on a new system. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> djbrky@bu.edu 1/25/2007 1:40 PM >>> Thanks Kevin, I thought MS Windows 2002 sounded funky. But the student was so adamant about it being as such that I began to question my prior knowledge. I just got off the phone with the student and the Medical Center DSS and issues are far larger than they originally appeared. Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A >Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:25 PM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: Re: [Athen] More ZT Questions > >Daniel: > >First of all, regarding your questions regarding Windows "2002" (I can >only assume you mean Windows XP), the version 8 of ZoomText should work >just fine. Version 9 is recommended for some of its feature enhancements >and broader support of newer hardware/software, but 8 should work. > >As for the Networked version of ZoomText, it works, but there are issues >with it. For example, there are very few good ways to pass settings to >machines from the server-based installation. Also, in version 9.0, there >were a lot of problems with proper rights assignments affecting the >ability to install or use the software. Things had to be just "so". This >also holds true with 9.02 in a few ways. I've discovered, much to our >chagrin, that the network capabilities in ZT9, while a good start, are >not in parallel with the network management and deployment features >available in recent versions of MAGic (for example). Zoomtext, of >course, has strength in some of its other capabilities, and the >comparison between the two usually boils down to what is absolutely >necessary at your location. > >Ultimately, however, the client computers attempt to connect to a >Windows file share (usually through UNC path only), to verify that a >license is available, and also to save or load user settings (if >enabled). It's relatively simplistic, but you'll need a server (or an >always-on) machine, with a little bit of storage space for user profiles >and some way to load the software onto each computer you want it on. For >the most part, this is going to be a disk cloning suite like Norton >Ghost, Rembo, or something similar, which will probably be something >your IT department manages in tandem with your labs. I suppose questions >like how many computers you're going to load the software on, how many >clients you expect to be using the software at any given time >(concurrent licensing), and how many campuses you want access to the >software (one campus versus several branches for site versus district >licensening) will be key questions when it comes to the actual purchase >itself. > >Sorry to ramble, but hopefully that information will help you. > >Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA >Assistive Technology Specialist >Student Disability Services >Division of Student Affairs >Oklahoma State University > >http://access.it.okstate.edu > >"Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, >delight to they who have listened." - Odin > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J >Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:54 PM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: [Athen] More ZT Questions > >How exactly does the Networked version of ZoomText work? > > >========================= >Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director >Boston University Office of Disability Services >19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor >Boston, MA 02215 > >(617) 353-3658 (office) >(617) 353-9646 (fax) >djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) >www.bu.edu/disability > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by KCKCC's MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From kevin.sesock at okstate.edu Thu Jan 25 13:05:56 2007 From: kevin.sesock at okstate.edu (Sesock, Kevin A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] More ZT Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <987761BC3F676843B8EAB3E0BEA07C8FE09640@EXE2.ad.okstate.edu> Robert: I assume you're talking about the Networked version? If so, same here. This is one of the reasons we're moving to MAGic. Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA Assistive Technology Specialist Student Disability Services Division of Student Affairs Oklahoma State University http://access.it.okstate.edu "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:07 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] More ZT Questions Dan, I'd be willing to bet the student means MS Office 2002 rather than Windows 2002. I get that all the time. Either way, it's still XP and ZT 8 or 9 should work fine. There are some rights issues with 9 that are still making me crazy every time I install on a new system. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> djbrky@bu.edu 1/25/2007 1:40 PM >>> Thanks Kevin, I thought MS Windows 2002 sounded funky. But the student was so adamant about it being as such that I began to question my prior knowledge. I just got off the phone with the student and the Medical Center DSS and issues are far larger than they originally appeared. Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A >Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:25 PM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: Re: [Athen] More ZT Questions > >Daniel: > >First of all, regarding your questions regarding Windows "2002" (I can >only assume you mean Windows XP), the version 8 of ZoomText should work >just fine. Version 9 is recommended for some of its feature enhancements >and broader support of newer hardware/software, but 8 should work. > >As for the Networked version of ZoomText, it works, but there are issues >with it. For example, there are very few good ways to pass settings to >machines from the server-based installation. Also, in version 9.0, there >were a lot of problems with proper rights assignments affecting the >ability to install or use the software. Things had to be just "so". This >also holds true with 9.02 in a few ways. I've discovered, much to our >chagrin, that the network capabilities in ZT9, while a good start, are >not in parallel with the network management and deployment features >available in recent versions of MAGic (for example). Zoomtext, of >course, has strength in some of its other capabilities, and the >comparison between the two usually boils down to what is absolutely >necessary at your location. > >Ultimately, however, the client computers attempt to connect to a >Windows file share (usually through UNC path only), to verify that a >license is available, and also to save or load user settings (if >enabled). It's relatively simplistic, but you'll need a server (or an >always-on) machine, with a little bit of storage space for user profiles >and some way to load the software onto each computer you want it on. For >the most part, this is going to be a disk cloning suite like Norton >Ghost, Rembo, or something similar, which will probably be something >your IT department manages in tandem with your labs. I suppose questions >like how many computers you're going to load the software on, how many >clients you expect to be using the software at any given time >(concurrent licensing), and how many campuses you want access to the >software (one campus versus several branches for site versus district >licensening) will be key questions when it comes to the actual purchase >itself. > >Sorry to ramble, but hopefully that information will help you. > >Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA >Assistive Technology Specialist >Student Disability Services >Division of Student Affairs >Oklahoma State University > >http://access.it.okstate.edu > >"Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, >delight to they who have listened." - Odin > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J >Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:54 PM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: [Athen] More ZT Questions > >How exactly does the Networked version of ZoomText work? > > >========================= >Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director >Boston University Office of Disability Services >19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor >Boston, MA 02215 > >(617) 353-3658 (office) >(617) 353-9646 (fax) >djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) >www.bu.edu/disability > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by KCKCC's MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From rbeach at kckcc.edu Thu Jan 25 13:33:54 2007 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] More ZT Questions Message-ID: Actually, I'm not even dealing with that extra headache. We have a 10-seat District License which I use to install on computers that need the software each semester. AiSquared sent me a whole list of folder and files that need permissions set before students can login into their limited accounts and access the program. Yippy! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> kevin.sesock@okstate.edu 1/25/2007 3:05:56 PM >>> Robert: I assume you're talking about the Networked version? If so, same here. This is one of the reasons we're moving to MAGic. Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA Assistive Technology Specialist Student Disability Services Division of Student Affairs Oklahoma State University http://access.it.okstate.edu "Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:07 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] More ZT Questions Dan, I'd be willing to bet the student means MS Office 2002 rather than Windows 2002. I get that all the time. Either way, it's still XP and ZT 8 or 9 should work fine. There are some rights issues with 9 that are still making me crazy every time I install on a new system. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> djbrky@bu.edu 1/25/2007 1:40 PM >>> Thanks Kevin, I thought MS Windows 2002 sounded funky. But the student was so adamant about it being as such that I began to question my prior knowledge. I just got off the phone with the student and the Medical Center DSS and issues are far larger than they originally appeared. Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Sesock, Kevin A >Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:25 PM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: Re: [Athen] More ZT Questions > >Daniel: > >First of all, regarding your questions regarding Windows "2002" (I can >only assume you mean Windows XP), the version 8 of ZoomText should work >just fine. Version 9 is recommended for some of its feature enhancements >and broader support of newer hardware/software, but 8 should work. > >As for the Networked version of ZoomText, it works, but there are issues >with it. For example, there are very few good ways to pass settings to >machines from the server-based installation. Also, in version 9.0, there >were a lot of problems with proper rights assignments affecting the >ability to install or use the software. Things had to be just "so". This >also holds true with 9.02 in a few ways. I've discovered, much to our >chagrin, that the network capabilities in ZT9, while a good start, are >not in parallel with the network management and deployment features >available in recent versions of MAGic (for example). Zoomtext, of >course, has strength in some of its other capabilities, and the >comparison between the two usually boils down to what is absolutely >necessary at your location. > >Ultimately, however, the client computers attempt to connect to a >Windows file share (usually through UNC path only), to verify that a >license is available, and also to save or load user settings (if >enabled). It's relatively simplistic, but you'll need a server (or an >always-on) machine, with a little bit of storage space for user profiles >and some way to load the software onto each computer you want it on. For >the most part, this is going to be a disk cloning suite like Norton >Ghost, Rembo, or something similar, which will probably be something >your IT department manages in tandem with your labs. I suppose questions >like how many computers you're going to load the software on, how many >clients you expect to be using the software at any given time >(concurrent licensing), and how many campuses you want access to the >software (one campus versus several branches for site versus district >licensening) will be key questions when it comes to the actual purchase >itself. > >Sorry to ramble, but hopefully that information will help you. > >Kevin A. Sesock, A+, Net+, CNA, MCSA >Assistive Technology Specialist >Student Disability Services >Division of Student Affairs >Oklahoma State University > >http://access.it.okstate.edu > >"Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, >delight to they who have listened." - Odin > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J >Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:54 PM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: [Athen] More ZT Questions > >How exactly does the Networked version of ZoomText work? > > >========================= >Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director >Boston University Office of Disability Services >19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor >Boston, MA 02215 > >(617) 353-3658 (office) >(617) 353-9646 (fax) >djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) >www.bu.edu/disability > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by KCKCC's MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by KCKCC's MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu Fri Jan 26 07:30:30 2007 From: saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu (Saroj Primlani) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 12, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4719.24.136.240.97.1169825430.squirrel@webmail.ncsu.edu> Tracy, Fromm what I understand the Transcription aid is an editing tool that helps someone do the post porocessing edits to the document to make the necessary corrections to the transcribed document. I has some good functionailty built to ease the editing process, similar to the built in facilities with the Pro version. It does not enhance or improve accuracy rate. Saroj -- Saroj Primlani Coordinator of University IT Accessibility NC State Campus Box 7109 Raleigh, NC 27695-7109 Phone: 919-513-4087 Email: Saroj_Primlani@ncsu.edu http://www.ncsu.edu/it/access Send Athen mailing list submissions to > athen@athenpro.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-request@athenpro.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-owner@athenpro.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Transcription Aid for Dragon (Stacy L. Smith) > 2. Re: Transcription Aid for Dragon (Wink Harner) > 3. Re: Transcription Aid for Dragon (E.A. Draffan) > 4. Re: Transcription Aid for Dragon (Stacy L. Smith) > 5. Re: Transcription Aid for Dragon (Wink Harner) > 6. Zoomtext for MS Win2002 (Berkowitz, Daniel J) > 7. More ZT Questions (Berkowitz, Daniel J) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:08:06 -0600 > From: "Stacy L. Smith" > Subject: [Athen] Transcription Aid for Dragon > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Message-ID: <1169676486.45b7d8c63cbf0@webmail.ksu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Has anyone seen/heard of/used this product? Its purpose is to take > audio files, run them through Dragon, and then provide you with > transcription software to correct the transcript as you listen to the > audio. It's supposed to work with Dragon to improve accuracy as you > correct the transcript. > > http://www.transcriptiongear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=TRANSAID-SGL&Category_Code=DIGITRANS-TOP&Product_Count=1 > > I'd love to have some kind of process by which I can create transcripts > for recorded lectures without having to type out every word (or listen > and then speak to Dragon). This *sounds* wonderful....but sometimes > things that sound great, aren't. I'm really interested in hearing your > feedback. > > Thanks, > Stacy > > > > Stacy Smith > Adaptive Technology Specialist > Disability Support Services > 202 Holton Hall > Kansas State University > Manhattan, KS 66506 > Phone: 785-532-6441 > FAX: 785-532-6457 > Email: stacylee@ksu.edu > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient > or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you > are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and > that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action > based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If > you have received this communication in error, please notify us > immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:38:28 -0700 > From: Wink Harner > Subject: Re: [Athen] Transcription Aid for Dragon > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Message-ID: <45B7FC04.8060604@mcmail.maricopa.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Stacy et al in Athenland, > > I personally use it the one with Dragon and several of our students use > similar ones for class note transcriptions. One student has used a > stand-alone speech-to-text digital recorder (panasonic, I think) which > works extremely well for his needs. There is some editing involved in > both cases, but with the new Version 9 of Dragon the headache factor has > been much reduced! Our student who uses the panasonic (it's RRUS360 > model) has raved over the practicality & usability of it. You can listen > to it as an audio file and with the software installed on your PC, the > recorder hooks up via a USB connection and the transcription is pretty > automatic. Some editing would be necessary, but with a copy of the notes > from class, it's not that hard to correct. > > Hope this is helpful. > > Wink > Ms. Wink Harner > Manager > Disability Resources & Services > Mesa Community College > > > > > Stacy L. Smith wrote: > >>Has anyone seen/heard of/used this product? Its purpose is to take >>audio files, run them through Dragon, and then provide you with >>transcription software to correct the transcript as you listen to the >>audio. It's supposed to work with Dragon to improve accuracy as you >>correct the transcript. >> >>http://www.transcriptiongear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=TRANSAID-SGL&Category_Code=DIGITRANS-TOP&Product_Count=1 >> >>I'd love to have some kind of process by which I can create transcripts >>for recorded lectures without having to type out every word (or listen >>and then speak to Dragon). This *sounds* wonderful....but sometimes >>things that sound great, aren't. I'm really interested in hearing your >>feedback. >> >>Thanks, >>Stacy >> >> >> >>Stacy Smith >>Adaptive Technology Specialist >>Disability Support Services >>202 Holton Hall >>Kansas State University >>Manhattan, KS 66506 >>Phone: 785-532-6441 >>FAX: 785-532-6457 >>Email: stacylee@ksu.edu >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient >>or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you >>are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and >>that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action >>based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If >>you have received this communication in error, please notify us >>immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Athen mailing list >>Athen@athenpro.org >>http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:05:44 -0000 > From: "E.A. Draffan" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Transcription Aid for Dragon > To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > Message-ID: <002101c7405f$ff9b7f40$0a01a8c0@laptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > To add to the collection of Dictaphones that work well - If you want an > accessible one for transcription try the Olympus DS-30 and DS-40 ( or > DS-50 > possibly UK only) as they have been designed with the help of the RNIB > and > all have audible or voice feedback for their navigation actions - the > buttons are tactile and the screen much more readable. Very easy menu > system, download options and transcription with Dragon Naturallyspeaking > 9 > http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_vr_digitalrecorders.asp > > I have one and it really has worked well in many settings. At the moment > we reckon you benefit from using an extra directional microphone placed > near > the speaker if you are recording a lecture but the UK Olympus man said > they > were thinking of bringing out a separate more powerful mic for the DS-50 > which has a tie-click type for the removable mic at the moment. > > Best Wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Assistive Technologist > Mobile: 07976 289103 > http://www.emptech.info/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Wink Harner > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:38 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Transcription Aid for Dragon > > Stacy et al in Athenland, > > I personally use it the one with Dragon and several of our students use > similar ones for class note transcriptions. One student has used a > stand-alone speech-to-text digital recorder (panasonic, I think) which > works > extremely well for his needs. There is some editing involved in both > cases, > but with the new Version 9 of Dragon the headache factor has been much > reduced! Our student who uses the panasonic (it's RRUS360 > model) has raved over the practicality & usability of it. You can listen > to > it as an audio file and with the software installed on your PC, the > recorder > hooks up via a USB connection and the transcription is pretty automatic. > Some editing would be necessary, but with a copy of the notes from class, > it's not that hard to correct. > > Hope this is helpful. > > Wink > Ms. Wink Harner > Manager > Disability Resources & Services > Mesa Community College > > > > > Stacy L. Smith wrote: > >>Has anyone seen/heard of/used this product? Its purpose is to take >>audio files, run them through Dragon, and then provide you with >>transcription software to correct the transcript as you listen to the >>audio. It's supposed to work with Dragon to improve accuracy as you >>correct the transcript. >> >>http://www.transcriptiongear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Pro >>duct_Code=TRANSAID-SGL&Category_Code=DIGITRANS-TOP&Product_Count=1 >> >>I'd love to have some kind of process by which I can create transcripts >>for recorded lectures without having to type out every word (or listen >>and then speak to Dragon). This *sounds* wonderful....but sometimes >>things that sound great, aren't. I'm really interested in hearing your >>feedback. >> >>Thanks, >>Stacy >> >> >> >>Stacy Smith >>Adaptive Technology Specialist >>Disability Support Services >>202 Holton Hall >>Kansas State University >>Manhattan, KS 66506 >>Phone: 785-532-6441 >>FAX: 785-532-6457 >>Email: stacylee@ksu.edu >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient >>or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, >>you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error >>and that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any >>action based on the contents of this information is strictly >>prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please >>notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Athen mailing list >>Athen@athenpro.org >>http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: > 24/01/2007 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: > 24/01/2007 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:39:32 -0600 > From: "Stacy L. Smith" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Transcription Aid for Dragon > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Message-ID: <1169739572.45b8cf342faa0@webmail.ksu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Wink - > > Thanks for the response! I wanted to clarify, though - are you using > Dragon alone, or Dragon with this Transcription Aid program? > > Stacy > > Quoting Wink Harner : > >> Stacy et al in Athenland, >> >> I personally use it the one with Dragon and several of our students >> use >> similar ones for class note transcriptions. One student has used a >> stand-alone speech-to-text digital recorder (panasonic, I think) >> which >> works extremely well for his needs. There is some editing involved >> in >> both cases, but with the new Version 9 of Dragon the headache factor >> has >> been much reduced! Our student who uses the panasonic (it's RRUS360 >> model) has raved over the practicality & usability of it. You can >> listen >> to it as an audio file and with the software installed on your PC, >> the >> recorder hooks up via a USB connection and the transcription is >> pretty >> automatic. Some editing would be necessary, but with a copy of the >> notes >> from class, it's not that hard to correct. >> >> Hope this is helpful. >> >> Wink >> Ms. Wink Harner >> Manager >> Disability Resources & Services >> Mesa Community College >> >> >> >> >> Stacy L. Smith wrote: >> >> >Has anyone seen/heard of/used this product? Its purpose is to take >> >audio files, run them through Dragon, and then provide you with >> >transcription software to correct the transcript as you listen to >> the >> >audio. It's supposed to work with Dragon to improve accuracy as you >> >correct the transcript. >> > >> >>http://www.transcriptiongear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=TRANSAID-SGL&Category_Code=DIGITRANS-TOP&Product_Count=1 >> > >> >I'd love to have some kind of process by which I can create >> transcripts >> >for recorded lectures without having to type out every word (or >> listen >> >and then speak to Dragon). This *sounds* wonderful....but sometimes >> >things that sound great, aren't. I'm really interested in hearing >> your >> >feedback. >> > >> >Thanks, >> >Stacy >> > >> > >> > >> >Stacy Smith >> >Adaptive Technology Specialist >> >Disability Support Services >> >202 Holton Hall >> >Kansas State University >> >Manhattan, KS 66506 >> >Phone: 785-532-6441 >> >FAX: 785-532-6457 >> >Email: stacylee@ksu.edu >> > >> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >This information is confidential. If you are not the intended >> recipient >> >or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, >> you >> >are hereby notified that you have received this document in error >> and >> >that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action >> >based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. >> If >> >you have received this communication in error, please notify us >> >immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Athen mailing list >> >Athen@athenpro.org >> >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> >> > > > Stacy Smith > Adaptive Technology Specialist > Disability Support Services > 202 Holton Hall > Kansas State University > Manhattan, KS 66506 > Phone: 785-532-6441 > FAX: 785-532-6457 > Email: stacylee@ksu.edu > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This information is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient > or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you > are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and > that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action > based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If > you have received this communication in error, please notify us > immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:27:48 -0700 > From: Wink Harner > Subject: Re: [Athen] Transcription Aid for Dragon > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Message-ID: <45B8DA84.9030507@mcmail.maricopa.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Stacy, > > I use both --in the office & the classroom I use Dragon w/Bluetooth for > both office work & presentation/teaching (and the students LOVE the > geekiness of my using wireless dictation in the classroom!!), and in > meetings I use the portable one because I cannot physically take notes. > I subscribe to the state motto for Missouri --"show me"-- and try stuff > out before I either buy it or recommend it. > > Both work. Depends on what the student needs to be able to do. One is > not dependent on the other --the only reason I recommended using the one > packaged with Dragon is that IF you are using Dragon at the desktop, the > equipment that works best is often the one the software company > recommends and the voice files are compatible. > > Any more questions? Just ask! > > Wink > > > Stacy L. Smith wrote: > >>Wink - >> >>Thanks for the response! I wanted to clarify, though - are you using >>Dragon alone, or Dragon with this Transcription Aid program? >> >>Stacy >> >>Quoting Wink Harner : >> >> >> >>>Stacy et al in Athenland, >>> >>>I personally use it the one with Dragon and several of our students >>>use >>>similar ones for class note transcriptions. One student has used a >>>stand-alone speech-to-text digital recorder (panasonic, I think) >>>which >>>works extremely well for his needs. There is some editing involved >>>in >>>both cases, but with the new Version 9 of Dragon the headache factor >>>has >>>been much reduced! Our student who uses the panasonic (it's RRUS360 >>>model) has raved over the practicality & usability of it. You can >>>listen >>>to it as an audio file and with the software installed on your PC, >>>the >>>recorder hooks up via a USB connection and the transcription is >>>pretty >>>automatic. Some editing would be necessary, but with a copy of the >>>notes >>>from class, it's not that hard to correct. >>> >>>Hope this is helpful. >>> >>>Wink >>>Ms. Wink Harner >>>Manager >>>Disability Resources & Services >>>Mesa Community College >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Stacy L. Smith wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Has anyone seen/heard of/used this product? Its purpose is to take >>>>audio files, run them through Dragon, and then provide you with >>>>transcription software to correct the transcript as you listen to >>>> >>>> >>>the >>> >>> >>>>audio. It's supposed to work with Dragon to improve accuracy as you >>>>correct the transcript. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>http://www.transcriptiongear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=TRANSAID-SGL&Category_Code=DIGITRANS-TOP&Product_Count=1 >>> >>> >>>>I'd love to have some kind of process by which I can create >>>> >>>> >>>transcripts >>> >>> >>>>for recorded lectures without having to type out every word (or >>>> >>>> >>>listen >>> >>> >>>>and then speak to Dragon). This *sounds* wonderful....but sometimes >>>>things that sound great, aren't. I'm really interested in hearing >>>> >>>> >>>your >>> >>> >>>>feedback. >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Stacy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Stacy Smith >>>>Adaptive Technology Specialist >>>>Disability Support Services >>>>202 Holton Hall >>>>Kansas State University >>>>Manhattan, KS 66506 >>>>Phone: 785-532-6441 >>>>FAX: 785-532-6457 >>>>Email: stacylee@ksu.edu >>>> >>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>>This information is confidential. If you are not the intended >>>> >>>> >>>recipient >>> >>> >>>>or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, >>>> >>>> >>>you >>> >>> >>>>are hereby notified that you have received this document in error >>>> >>>> >>>and >>> >>> >>>>that any review, dissemination, copying, or the taking of any action >>>>based on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. >>>> >>>> >>>If >>> >>> >>>>you have received this communication in error, please notify us >>>>immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Athen mailing list >>>>Athen@athenpro.org >>>>http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Athen mailing list >>>Athen@athenpro.org >>>http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>Stacy Smith >>Adaptive Technology Specialist >>Disability Support Services >>202 Holton Hall >>Kansas State University >>Manhattan, KS 66506 >>Phone: 785-532-6441 >>FAX: 785-532-6457 >>Email: stacylee@ksu.edu >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>This information is confidential. 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If >>you have received this communication in error, please notify us >>immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Athen mailing list >>Athen@athenpro.org >>http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:38:10 -0500 > From: "Berkowitz, Daniel J" > Subject: [Athen] Zoomtext for MS Win2002 > To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" > > Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711696607A@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Colleagues, > > A campus department contacted me and needs ZT loaded on a workstation > for a l/v student. They are adamant that it be compatible with > MS-Windows 2002. So adamant, in fact, that they have me second guessing > which specific version of ZoomText I should load. I have discs going > back to 8.02. > > Any suggestions as to the proper load or should I pull up my bootstraps > and tell the department IT folk to get out of my way? > > --Dann > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:54:28 -0500 > From: "Berkowitz, Daniel J" > Subject: [Athen] More ZT Questions > To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" > > Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C71169660DD@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > How exactly does the Networked version of ZoomText work? > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > End of Athen Digest, Vol 12, Issue 29 > ************************************* > From dina.rosenbaum at carroll.org Thu Jan 25 06:32:36 2007 From: dina.rosenbaum at carroll.org (Dina Rosenbaum) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Transcription Aid for Dragon In-Reply-To: <45B7FC04.8060604@mcmail.maricopa.edu> References: <1169676486.45b7d8c63cbf0@webmail.ksu.edu> <45B7FC04.8060604@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: <45B8BF84.3020706@carroll.org> I need a little clarification on this as this question comes up often with our visually impaired students and notetaking. SO you are saying the student uses a digital recorder in class and records a class lecture directly from the professor? THen uses this program to transcribe into a text file that is saved on the computer. But still maintains an audio file for review as well? If I am right, aren't there issues with recording, like the teacher moving around, background noise, etc?? Dina Rosenbaum Carroll Center for the BLind 770 Centre St, Newton, MA 02459 800-852-3131 www.carroll.org www.carrolltech.org Wink Harner wrote: > Stacy et al in Athenland, > > I personally use it the one with Dragon and several of our students use > similar ones for class note transcriptions. One student has used a > stand-alone speech-to-text digital recorder (panasonic, I think) which > works extremely well for his needs. There is some editing involved in > both cases, but with the new Version 9 of Dragon the headache factor has > been much reduced! Our student who uses the panasonic (it's RRUS360 > model) has raved over the practicality & usability of it. You can listen > to it as an audio file and with the software installed on your PC, the > recorder hooks up via a USB connection and the transcription is pretty > automatic. Some editing would be necessary, but with a copy of the notes > from class, it's not that hard to correct. > > Hope this is helpful. > > Wink > Ms. Wink Harner > Manager > Disability Resources & Services > Mesa Community College > > > > > Stacy L. Smith wrote: > > >> Has anyone seen/heard of/used this product? Its purpose is to take >> audio files, run them through Dragon, and then provide you with >> transcription software to correct the transcript as you listen to the >> audio. It's supposed to work with Dragon to improve accuracy as you >> correct the transcript. >> >> http://www.transcriptiongear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=TRANSAID-SGL&Category_Code=DIGITRANS-TOP&Product_Count=1 >> >> From wayne_chenoweth at yahoo.com Fri Jan 26 12:37:07 2007 From: wayne_chenoweth at yahoo.com (Wayne Chenoweth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 and Moodle Websites Message-ID: <214692.57948.qm@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> I had a student this am not able to read Moodle course content with K3000 v 10.02 & Firefox 1.5.0.9. It is not a problem with all Moodle content so it may be a security issue or something else. I'm looking into it with our tech support. Meanwhile, a workaround is to copy the text to a K3000 text file and read there. Wayne ----- Original Message ---- From: Gaeir Dietrich To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:28:49 PM Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 and Moodle Websites K3000 read the web feature only works with the Firefox browser. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Burke Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:50 PM To: ATHEN Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 and Moodle Websites Hi everyone, Has anyone used Kurzweil 3000's Read The Web feature successfully on websites that use the Moodle course management system? I have a report from a student who says that Read The Web doesn't speak anything on Moodle-based pages. I'm having a hard time finding existing info that may be out there. Thanks for any assistance, Patrick -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke@ucla.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Howard.Kramer at colorado.edu Mon Jan 29 12:13:36 2007 From: Howard.Kramer at colorado.edu (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] answering my own question concerning JAWS and superscript & subscript Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20070129130901.0340b590@buffmail.colorado.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tft at u.washington.edu Mon Jan 29 17:16:35 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Proceedings Now Available for Web Accessibility Capacity Building Institute Message-ID: <200701300116.l0U1GajA000822@smtp.washington.edu> Proceedings are now available for the Web Accessibility Capacity Building Institute (CBI), held November 29 - December 1, 2006 in Seattle. The CBI was funded by the National Science Foundation (cooperative agreement #0227995) through the Northwest Alliance for Access to Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (AccessSTEM), which is directed at the University of Washington. The purpose of the CBI was to identify accessibility problems and solutions related to emerging web applications and the technologies used to create them, as well as to identify strategies that lead to systemic change within higher education. The ultimate goal of AccessSTEM is to increase the successful participation of people with disabilities in STEM careers. To reach this goal, it is critical that students with disabilities have full access to the software and information used in their educational programs. Higher education institutions are exploring and beginning to utilize rich media technologies to improve functionality and usability of both academic and administrative web services, but by doing so they may risk excluding students and employees with disabilities. It is critical that accessibility be addressed early in the development and deployment of web applications, including those that utilize emerging technologies such as AJAX, Adobe Flex, and Adobe Flash. Participants at the CBI included representatives from the World Wide Consortium (W3C), IBM, Google, Yahoo, Adobe, and GW Micro, as well as 27 web managers and programmers from 11 colleges and universities, primarily from the Northwest region of the United States. The full proceedings, including a comprehensive summary of CBI presentations and discussions, is available online: http://www.washington.edu/doit/cbi/webaccess/proceedings.html Terry Thompson Technology Specialist, DO-IT University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu From skeegan at htctu.net Tue Jan 30 13:42:20 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Training manual for Macaw Message-ID: <003801c744b7$855bfa50$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hello all, To deal with the growing popularity of QuickTime content, I have put together a training manual on the use of Macaw. Macaw is a lightweight captioning tool for the synchronization of text and multimedia for the QuickTime media player only. It is Mac and PC compatible and is available at no cost. It is necessary to have QuickTime Pro to complete the entire process. More information on Macaw can be found at: http://www.whitanderson.com/macaw/ I have put the PDF version of the manual up on the HTCTU training manual site at the bottom of the page: http://www.htctu.net/trainings/manuals/tutmain.htm I also have some instructions on how to integrate a captioning "toggle" to enable/disable captions during playback. This is the first draft, so give your feedback! Take care, Sean Sean Keegan Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges From grayp at bucks.edu Tue Jan 30 13:57:06 2007 From: grayp at bucks.edu (Penny Gray) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Blackboard CE6 and accessibility In-Reply-To: <200701231631.l0NGVsg9017955@outgoing.mit.edu> Message-ID: <002401c744b9$954fec30$0215a8c0@adminbucks.edu> Hello, Are any other institutions using Blackboard's CE6? We have begun using CE6 this semester and seem to be having a lot of issues regarding accessibility. Is anyone out there using this and can you share your observations regarding accessibility? Thanks in advance. Penny Penny Gray Certified Adaptive Technology Specialist Bucks County community college 275 Swamp Road Rollins Center room 08-8 Newtown, PA 18940 grayp@bucks.edu 215-968-8012 This document has been created using Dragon NaturallySpeaking Pro version 8.1 voice dictation software. Please disregard any unedited misrecognitions. From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Wed Jan 31 04:35:17 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: BlindNews: Court case shows that education must be accessible Message-ID: <007501c74534$480b1410$3802d6a6@RONMOBILE> Interesting case out of the UK Ron IT-Director.com (UK) Monday, January 29, 2007 Court case shows that education must be accessible By Peter Abrahams By: Peter Abrahams, Practice Leader Bloor Research In a recent article, I argued that vendors need to look at the accessibility of all stages of their sales cycle-not just the product itself. In particular this should include accessible education and this has been highlighted in a recent successful legal action. Sam Latif is an IT project manager at Procter and Gamble in the UK and has been registered blind since 1988. In 2004 she decided to further her career and her professional expertise by studying for and (hopefully) acquiring the "Project Management Professional", qualification, known as the "PMP" from the Project Management Institute which is based in the US. She had significant difficulty obtaining the necessary course reading material in a format that she could use and further difficulty with sitting the creditation examination which she did pass. She, with the assistance of the Disabilities Rights Commission in the UK, took her grievance to an Employment Tribunal and has been awarded #3000 compensation in respect of injuries to her feelings. A more detailed description of the case can be found in an Outlaw.com article. LINK: http://www.out-law.com/page-7692 Several important issues come out of this case that all IT vendors should consider: The case was brought under UK law against a US based organisation. This suggests that companies should aspire to best practice in accessibility and not just the letter of the law in their jurisdiction. The new UN Convention on Disabilities should greatly aid this process. LINK: http://www.it-director.com/blogs/Abrahams_Accessibility/2006/12/un_conventio n_on_disabilities_adop_.html Being able to acquire externally recognised qualifications is vitally important for people with disabilities and every effort should be made by the software vendors and educational establishments to assist. Educational material includes not only specialist course material but all related reference documentation and all of this needs to be accessible. Trying to retrofit accessibility on to existing documents is hard. The Institute provided both PDF and Word versions of the documents but neither was suitable for a screen-reader. The problem goes back to the authoring of the documents. If they had been structured properly using style sheets they could have been made accessible. The sad thing is that a well structured document is easier for everyone to use and much easier for the author to modify but so few organisations know how to use styles properly. Providing suitable facilities for examinations is complex. Allowing extra time is straightforward but needs to be seen to be fair to all students. Providing students with a human reader/transcriber and a quiet environment for them may be necessary. The best solution is to enable the student to use the assistive technologies (screen-readers, voice-recognition, tactile diagrams etc.) they are familiar with; the challenge is how to do this without breaking the normal technology provided by the examiners and not allow the student to abuse the situation by having access to private 'crib' information. As with most accessibility issues, resolving the situation early in the design cycle is by far the best solution and will, by its nature, create other usability benefits to the wider community. As a post script I would suggest that the Reading Employment Tribunal, that heard the case, learns from this case and puts its own house in order. The findings are available in PDF, RTF, DOC and HTML versions but none of them has been structured (no headings, titles or even ordered lists were used), so they are all relatively inaccessible. The PDF version is a scanned document so a screen-reader cannot read anything. In my opinion legal documents in any modifiable format are of dubious value. What is needed is an accessible PDF version. I am sure this problem is not confined to Reading but is true of most court documentation and an issue that the DRC should raise and resolve. http://www.it-director.com/blogs/Abrahams_Accessibility/2007/1/court_case_sh ows_that_education_mu_.html -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00115.txt URL: From tlwells at uark.edu Wed Jan 31 06:22:42 2007 From: tlwells at uark.edu (Teresa Wells Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: BlindNews: Court case shows that education must beaccessible In-Reply-To: <007501c74534$480b1410$3802d6a6@RONMOBILE> Message-ID: <004701c74543$48174b40$07d2b882@CSDAdTech> Wonder if this will eventually help any with standardized tests (LSAT, GRE, etc.) here in the States? I work with students every year who cannot get accessible versions of any of the prep materials for these exams, and have incredible difficulties getting accommodations on the exams themselves. Teresa Haven -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:35 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] FW: BlindNews: Court case shows that education must beaccessible Interesting case out of the UK Ron IT-Director.com (UK) Monday, January 29, 2007 Court case shows that education must be accessible By Peter Abrahams By: Peter Abrahams, Practice Leader Bloor Research In a recent article, I argued that vendors need to look at the accessibility of all stages of their sales cycle-not just the product itself. In particular this should include accessible education and this has been highlighted in a recent successful legal action. Sam Latif is an IT project manager at Procter and Gamble in the UK and has been registered blind since 1988. In 2004 she decided to further her career and her professional expertise by studying for and (hopefully) acquiring the "Project Management Professional", qualification, known as the "PMP" from the Project Management Institute which is based in the US. She had significant difficulty obtaining the necessary course reading material in a format that she could use and further difficulty with sitting the creditation examination which she did pass. She, with the assistance of the Disabilities Rights Commission in the UK, took her grievance to an Employment Tribunal and has been awarded #3000 compensation in respect of injuries to her feelings. A more detailed description of the case can be found in an Outlaw.com article. LINK: http://www.out-law.com/page-7692 Several important issues come out of this case that all IT vendors should consider: The case was brought under UK law against a US based organisation. This suggests that companies should aspire to best practice in accessibility and not just the letter of the law in their jurisdiction. The new UN Convention on Disabilities should greatly aid this process. LINK: http://www.it-director.com/blogs/Abrahams_Accessibility/2006/12/un_conve ntio n_on_disabilities_adop_.html Being able to acquire externally recognised qualifications is vitally important for people with disabilities and every effort should be made by the software vendors and educational establishments to assist. Educational material includes not only specialist course material but all related reference documentation and all of this needs to be accessible. Trying to retrofit accessibility on to existing documents is hard. The Institute provided both PDF and Word versions of the documents but neither was suitable for a screen-reader. The problem goes back to the authoring of the documents. If they had been structured properly using style sheets they could have been made accessible. The sad thing is that a well structured document is easier for everyone to use and much easier for the author to modify but so few organisations know how to use styles properly. Providing suitable facilities for examinations is complex. Allowing extra time is straightforward but needs to be seen to be fair to all students. Providing students with a human reader/transcriber and a quiet environment for them may be necessary. The best solution is to enable the student to use the assistive technologies (screen-readers, voice-recognition, tactile diagrams etc.) they are familiar with; the challenge is how to do this without breaking the normal technology provided by the examiners and not allow the student to abuse the situation by having access to private 'crib' information. As with most accessibility issues, resolving the situation early in the design cycle is by far the best solution and will, by its nature, create other usability benefits to the wider community. As a post script I would suggest that the Reading Employment Tribunal, that heard the case, learns from this case and puts its own house in order. The findings are available in PDF, RTF, DOC and HTML versions but none of them has been structured (no headings, titles or even ordered lists were used), so they are all relatively inaccessible. The PDF version is a scanned document so a screen-reader cannot read anything. In my opinion legal documents in any modifiable format are of dubious value. What is needed is an accessible PDF version. I am sure this problem is not confined to Reading but is true of most court documentation and an issue that the DRC should raise and resolve. http://www.it-director.com/blogs/Abrahams_Accessibility/2007/1/court_cas e_sh ows_that_education_mu_.html From mary.cheng at csueastbay.edu Wed Jan 31 21:06:27 2007 From: mary.cheng at csueastbay.edu (Mary Cheng) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Technology Expert Job Opening Message-ID: <45C17553.2030506@csueastbay.edu> Colleagues, The California State University (CSU) Chancellor's Office is recruiting for the following position to help lead and support the implementation of the Accessible Technology Initiative (ATI). The ATI is a systemwide initiative to address web accessibility, instructional materials accessibility and accessible electronic and information technology procurement. The CSU with 23 campuses is the largest and most diverse univesity systems in the country. This position is housed in the CSU Chancellor's Office located in Long Beach, California. http://www.calstate.edu/HRS/jobs/000457.shtml I'll appreciate your forwarding this announcement to qualified individuals. -- Mary Cheng, Director Accessible Technology Initiative California State University California State University, East Bay Lower Library Complex, Rm. 2352 25800 Carlos Bee Blvd Hayward, CA 94542 Ph: (510) 885-2844 Fax: (510) 885-2315 Email: mary.cheng@csueastbay.edu