From ea at emptech.info Sun Jul 1 10:29:09 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] PDF Equalizer In-Reply-To: <463315F4000081E8@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> References: <003001c7bb5f$7e634270$0a01a8c0@laptop> <463315F4000081E8@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: <003101c7bc05$55a6ed90$0a01a8c0@laptop> Asanti sana - Dank U wel - Danke schon - merci Wink! I have to agree hence my asking before adding it to EmpTech! Best wishes E.A. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:08 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] PDF Equalizer E.A. et al ATHEN-ites in Athen-land, I will see if I can find a demo and let you know my thoughts. My first huge bag of skepticism is the "automatically translates" part of their PR hype which is much different than having a good speech engine reading in the target language. After all, the point for our students with functional limitations in reading is not in translating but in being able to read and comprehend. This feature would also be useful for any student trying to learn another language. Hear it/read it/write it. Not translate it! All of the grains of salt on my plate are sliding toward the "not an accessibility feature" --besides, having been a professional translator/typesetting and genuine techno-geek for many years, I know first-hand that 99% of the translation programs available are not worth the paper they're advertised on--most are less than 40% accurate. For $90 it DOES seem too good to be true, n'est-ce pas? Will let you know. Wink Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College [former owner of The Foreign Type, a foreign language translation & typesetting company]. >-- Original Message -- >From: "E.A. Draffan" >To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > >Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:41:57 +0100 >Subject: [Athen] PDF Equalizer >Reply-To: ea@emptech.info, Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > > >Sorry to bother you all, but has anyone tried PDF Equalizer? >http://www.readingmadeez.com/PDFEqualizer.php > >Best wishes E.A. > >Mrs E.A. Draffan >Learning Societies Lab >ECS, University of Southampton >Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7246 >http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk >http://www.emptech.info/ > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/880 - Release Date: >29/06/2007 >14:15 > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/882 - Release Date: 30/06/2007 15:10 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/882 - Release Date: 30/06/2007 15:10 From stacylee at ksu.edu Mon Jul 2 09:29:09 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Caption Mic Message-ID: <1183393749.468927d56cc0f@webmail.ksu.edu> All - A co-worker asked me to check into Caption Mic (www.captionmic.com). Anyone know anything about this? Thanks, Stacy Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba From tft at u.washington.edu Mon Jul 2 10:01:27 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Caption Mic In-Reply-To: <1183393749.468927d56cc0f@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <200707021701.l62H1aXK016200@smtp.washington.edu> I don't see anything on their website about pricing, although maybe I'm just overlooking it. If it's expensive, I would think you could set up a similar system with Dragon Naturally Speaking and any of the avilable "stenomask" products, such as: http://www.stenomask.com/pages/sylencer.html http://www.talkincorporated.org/ http://martelelectronics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Cod e=MM This has become a fairly common practice among stenographers, and the masks work quite well at muffling the voice. They also provide a consistent accoustic environment so users with trained voice profiles can use it reliably across a variety of accoustic settings. One cautionary note is that echoing the speaker's speach is a learnable skill, but not many people have it innately. You could do this with students acting as voice captioners but they'd have to have the aptitude, and their becoming proficient would require training and practice. Terry Terry Thompson Technology Specialist, DO-IT University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 http://www.washington.edu/doit > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:29 AM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] Caption Mic > > All - > > A co-worker asked me to check into Caption Mic (www.captionmic.com). > Anyone know anything about this? > > Thanks, > Stacy > > Stacy Smith > Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services > 532-6441 > stacylee@ksu.edu > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to > practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are > standing, and that is the place to train. > > --Morehei Ueshiba > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From gdietrich at htctu.net Mon Jul 2 10:14:50 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Caption Mic In-Reply-To: <1183393749.468927d56cc0f@webmail.ksu.edu> References: <1183393749.468927d56cc0f@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <000001c7bccc$7ff80760$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Just some thoughts... My first question would be, How is this better than just having someone using Dragon? From what I can determine, that is essentially the solution they are selling. I'm sure you get a package with the steno mask, the program, the computer, and other electronic components, but I'd sure want to compare their price to the price for those items separately. Even if you get their equipment, you still need to hire the voice captioner, and in the end, your accuracy is based entirely on that person--how well the person trains the voice recognition software, how thoroughly s/he prepares the program by training specific vocabulary and adding unusual names or subject-specific vocabulary, etc. As with all voice recognition systems, you have the issue of what happens if the captioner has a cold or allergies or any other condition that affects the voice. Such temporary changes in the voice all affect recognition, and a knowledgeable user will have separate voice profiles for such conditions. So my second question would be, Do they have a list of trained captioners to refer you to or are you entirely on your own to find someone? Do they have materials that you can use to train a captioner or are you on your own for that as well? (As a long-time Dragon trainer, I can tell you that voice recognition is not intuitive, and although I love Dragon, I'd have to say that lack of really good training materials is one of the biggest issues for most people with using it.) And, of course, you still have the biggest issue whenever you use any sort of in-class captioning: Will the captioner be the interface for the student if the student has a question? For students who rely entirely on sign language, the interpreter provides two-way communication. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:29 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Caption Mic All - A co-worker asked me to check into Caption Mic (www.captionmic.com). Anyone know anything about this? Thanks, Stacy Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From jjohnson at htctu.net Mon Jul 2 12:06:53 2007 From: jjohnson at htctu.net (Jayme Johnson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Caption Mic In-Reply-To: <1183393749.468927d56cc0f@webmail.ksu.edu> References: <1183393749.468927d56cc0f@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <002201c7bcdc$27e0f630$9b821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hello Stacy, I met with the Caption Mic salesman in March and got a demo of the system. Basically you're paying for a laptop that has been optimized for speech recognition, IBM ViaVoice, an Insertacap Caption encoder, a program to coordinate the recognized speech with time code, and a little program that converts your speech recognition file to different formats: .rt, .smi, .txt (QuickTime), .scc, and .umf (Ultech Media File). At first glance it looks like any other speech recognition system you've seen, but it does add in some functionality of captioning systems in that it adds timestamps to the text, and it will output files ready to be used for captioning your media. It appeared to me that the weakest link in the system is finding someone who can listen to someone talking while repeating that speech into the Caption Mic system. While adding time stamps to the transcript during the recognition process is a time saver (no pun intended), the piece of software that creates the different file types was what I found most appealing. Unfortunately, the components are not available individually- they must be purchased as a complete system which costs around $7,000.00. I think that Caption Mic might be a good solution for some institutions just getting started with creating captioned media- provided they have an individual who can repeat the speech and get good recognition results. However, if your institution already has some captioning software and a copy of Dragon Naturally Speaking, you're most of the way to having your own system. I guess the value of the Caption Mic system depends on what you need and how much your willing to pay for the convenience of having timestamps and several caption file formats created automatically. I hope this helps! Jayme Johnson Assistive Computer Technology Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit De Anza College, Cupertino, CA 408-996-6045 www.htctu.net -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:29 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Caption Mic All - A co-worker asked me to check into Caption Mic (www.captionmic.com). Anyone know anything about this? Thanks, Stacy Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From mhall5128 at comcast.net Mon Jul 2 12:59:50 2007 From: mhall5128 at comcast.net (Mark Hall) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 18, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00fe01c7bce3$8ddf7ae0$6501a8c0@MHSA> I represent Caption Mic. Both Terri and Gaier are correct. You can accomplish similar speech to text results using Dragon and a mask microphone. Where Caption Mic differs is that it also has a caption display. The text appears as white letters on a black background - exactly like television captioning. You can choose 2, 3 or 4 lines of scrolling text. Our customers feel that this method is easier for students to read. The other major difference is that each word or phrase is being time-coded and embeds caption commands. The time code and caption commands are not visible in main view. So the Caption Mic system that is used for an individual student in the classroom can also be used to caption both live and pre-produced video. The resulting caption files can also be exported as caption files for rich media files. We acknowledge that Caption Mic may not be the correct solution for every student. The Caption Mic product sheets can be downloaded from the website and contain pricing information. I will be exhibiting Caption Mic at the AHEAD conference later this month. Please contact me if you have any questions. Mark Hall 203-574-5128 mark_hall@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of athen-request@athenpro.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:00 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 18, Issue 2 Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Caption Mic (Stacy L. Smith) 2. Re: Caption Mic (Terry Thompson) 3. Re: Caption Mic (Gaeir Dietrich) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:29:09 -0500 From: "Stacy L. Smith" Subject: [Athen] Caption Mic To: athen@athenpro.org Message-ID: <1183393749.468927d56cc0f@webmail.ksu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 All - A co-worker asked me to check into Caption Mic (www.captionmic.com). Anyone know anything about this? Thanks, Stacy Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:01:27 -0700 From: "Terry Thompson" Subject: Re: [Athen] Caption Mic To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <200707021701.l62H1aXK016200@smtp.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I don't see anything on their website about pricing, although maybe I'm just overlooking it. If it's expensive, I would think you could set up a similar system with Dragon Naturally Speaking and any of the avilable "stenomask" products, such as: http://www.stenomask.com/pages/sylencer.html http://www.talkincorporated.org/ http://martelelectronics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Cod e=MM This has become a fairly common practice among stenographers, and the masks work quite well at muffling the voice. They also provide a consistent accoustic environment so users with trained voice profiles can use it reliably across a variety of accoustic settings. One cautionary note is that echoing the speaker's speach is a learnable skill, but not many people have it innately. You could do this with students acting as voice captioners but they'd have to have the aptitude, and their becoming proficient would require training and practice. Terry Terry Thompson Technology Specialist, DO-IT University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 http://www.washington.edu/doit > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:29 AM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] Caption Mic > > All - > > A co-worker asked me to check into Caption Mic (www.captionmic.com). > Anyone know anything about this? > > Thanks, > Stacy > > Stacy Smith > Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services > 532-6441 > stacylee@ksu.edu > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to > practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are > standing, and that is the place to train. > > --Morehei Ueshiba > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:14:50 -0700 From: "Gaeir Dietrich" Subject: Re: [Athen] Caption Mic To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <000001c7bccc$7ff80760$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just some thoughts... My first question would be, How is this better than just having someone using Dragon? From what I can determine, that is essentially the solution they are selling. I'm sure you get a package with the steno mask, the program, the computer, and other electronic components, but I'd sure want to compare their price to the price for those items separately. Even if you get their equipment, you still need to hire the voice captioner, and in the end, your accuracy is based entirely on that person--how well the person trains the voice recognition software, how thoroughly s/he prepares the program by training specific vocabulary and adding unusual names or subject-specific vocabulary, etc. As with all voice recognition systems, you have the issue of what happens if the captioner has a cold or allergies or any other condition that affects the voice. Such temporary changes in the voice all affect recognition, and a knowledgeable user will have separate voice profiles for such conditions. So my second question would be, Do they have a list of trained captioners to refer you to or are you entirely on your own to find someone? Do they have materials that you can use to train a captioner or are you on your own for that as well? (As a long-time Dragon trainer, I can tell you that voice recognition is not intuitive, and although I love Dragon, I'd have to say that lack of really good training materials is one of the biggest issues for most people with using it.) And, of course, you still have the biggest issue whenever you use any sort of in-class captioning: Will the captioner be the interface for the student if the student has a question? For students who rely entirely on sign language, the interpreter provides two-way communication. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:29 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Caption Mic All - A co-worker asked me to check into Caption Mic (www.captionmic.com). Anyone know anything about this? Thanks, Stacy Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 18, Issue 2 ************************************ From stacylee at ksu.edu Tue Jul 3 06:45:39 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Caption Mic In-Reply-To: <002201c7bcdc$27e0f630$9b821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <1183393749.468927d56cc0f@webmail.ksu.edu> <002201c7bcdc$27e0f630$9b821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <1183470339.468a53037c3f9@webmail.ksu.edu> Thanks for all the great answers! Stacy Quoting Jayme Johnson : > Hello Stacy, > > I met with the Caption Mic salesman in March and got a demo of the > system. > Basically you're paying for a laptop that has been optimized for > speech > recognition, IBM ViaVoice, an Insertacap Caption encoder, a program > to > coordinate the recognized speech with time code, and a little program > that > converts your speech recognition file to different formats: .rt, > .smi, .txt > (QuickTime), .scc, and .umf (Ultech Media File). > > At first glance it looks like any other speech recognition system > you've > seen, but it does add in some functionality of captioning systems in > that it > adds timestamps to the text, and it will output files ready to be > used for > captioning your media. > > It appeared to me that the weakest link in the system is finding > someone who > can listen to someone talking while repeating that speech into the > Caption > Mic system. While adding time stamps to the transcript during the > recognition process is a time saver (no pun intended), the piece of > software > that creates the different file types was what I found most > appealing. > Unfortunately, the components are not available individually- they > must be > purchased as a complete system which costs around $7,000.00. > > I think that Caption Mic might be a good solution for some > institutions just > getting started with creating captioned media- provided they have an > individual who can repeat the speech and get good recognition > results. > However, if your institution already has some captioning software and > a copy > of Dragon Naturally Speaking, you're most of the way to having your > own > system. I guess the value of the Caption Mic system depends on what > you need > and how much your willing to pay for the convenience of having > timestamps > and several caption file formats created automatically. > > I hope this helps! > > Jayme Johnson > Assistive Computer Technology Instructor > High Tech Center Training Unit > De Anza College, Cupertino, CA > 408-996-6045 > www.htctu.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On > Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:29 AM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] Caption Mic > > All - > > A co-worker asked me to check into Caption Mic (www.captionmic.com). > Anyone know anything about this? > > Thanks, > Stacy > > Stacy Smith > Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services > 532-6441 > stacylee@ksu.edu > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the > Art of > Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place > to > train. > > --Morehei Ueshiba > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba From ea at emptech.info Wed Jul 4 12:22:06 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Happy 4th July Message-ID: <000101c7be70$9c3fa5e0$0a01a8c0@laptop> Hope you have a wonderful 4th July - thinking of you all from the other side of the Atlantic where it is damp and chilly - Please send some sun over - just for a short while :>)) Best wishes E.A. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/885 - Release Date: 03/07/2007 10:02 From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Wed Jul 4 15:01:50 2007 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Happy 4th July In-Reply-To: <000101c7be70$9c3fa5e0$0a01a8c0@laptop> Message-ID: <463315F4000087CE@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> EA Am just about to leave for our family's Independence Day celebrations. A picnic by the lake, kids playing in the water park. Lots of fun outdoor things to do. Tempe AZ has a lovely artificial lake and the fireworks are shot out from the bridge over the lake. Truly stunning! HOWEVER, it is 117 miserable degrees today and it is utterly insane to be out in this heat! I would gladly halve our temps and send you half of the sunshine; would that you could send us half your clouds & some rain! Thanks for the good wishes. A warm hug, then, and perhaps a mug of hot chocolate for you! Blessings in great abundance, Wink >-- Original Message -- >From: "E.A. Draffan" >To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" >Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 20:22:06 +0100 >Subject: [Athen] Happy 4th July >Reply-To: ea@emptech.info, Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > > >Hope you have a wonderful 4th July - thinking of you all from the other side >of the Atlantic where it is damp and chilly - Please send some sun over - >just for a short while :>)) > >Best wishes E.A. > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/885 - Release Date: 03/07/2007 >10:02 > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Thu Jul 5 00:51:25 2007 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Happy 4th July In-Reply-To: <463315F4000087CE@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: <463315F400008807@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Happy July 5th, ATHEN-ites I apologize to all on the ATHEN list. I meant to reply directly to E.A. Now the rest of you know how hot it is in Phoenix. Wink Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 From ea at emptech.info Thu Jul 5 04:22:54 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] July 4th - Greek screen reader? Message-ID: <1998.152.78.61.119.1183634574.squirrel@www.emptech.info> Thank you Wink and others who promised to send that sun - according to the New York Times "No players infuse tournaments with drama the way Venus and Serena Williams do. Their influence is so great that it can sometimes seem that they even control the weather." (Wimbledon tournament) As an aside! Are Supernova and Hal the only screen readers that work with the Greek language? Best wishes E.A. From burke at ucla.edu Thu Jul 5 12:44:24 2007 From: burke at ucla.edu (Patrick Burke) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] July 4th - Greek screen reader? In-Reply-To: <1998.152.78.61.119.1183634574.squirrel@www.emptech.info> References: <1998.152.78.61.119.1183634574.squirrel@www.emptech.info> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705103348.025be630@ucla.edu> Hi E.A., I'm not sure who controls the weather, but I think you're right about Greek screen-reading capability. Although these folks say they have used their speech synthesizer with Freedom Sci. products (as well as Dolphin): & there's something interesting going on at: http://www.blind.gr/ My only direct experience is that Jaws 8 displays Greek characters on a braille display, but can't pronounce most of them. Not sure if they have a localized version that works better (which, I think, brings us back to the E-Rhetor project). Patrick At 04:22 AM 7/5/2007, you wrote: >Thank you Wink and others who promised to send that sun - according to the >New York Times "No players infuse tournaments with drama the way Venus and >Serena Williams do. Their influence is so great that it can sometimes seem >that they even control the weather." (Wimbledon tournament) > >As an aside! Are Supernova and Hal the only screen readers that work with >the Greek language? > >Best wishes E.A. > > > -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke ucla. edu From susan.cullen at csun.edu Thu Jul 5 14:14:28 2007 From: susan.cullen at csun.edu (Susan E Cullen) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] (no subject) Message-ID: <20070705141428.BIC48232@cuckoo.csun.edu> Hello, The Center on Disabilities has a position opening for an Alternate Media Coordinator. You will find the job description at http://www-admn.csun.edu/hrs/employment/professional/P426.html Please feel free to forward this announcement to those you think may be interested. For employment information and application procedures consult the CSUN Human Resources website ttp://www-admn.csun.edu/ohrs/employment/. Thank you Sue Sue Cullen Information Technology Consultant Assistive Technology Specialist Center on Disabilities Part-Time Faculty Department of Special Education 18111 Nordhoff Street Northridge California 91330-8340 Phone: (818) 677 - 2152 Fax: (818) 677- 4929 From ea at emptech.info Thu Jul 5 15:23:53 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] July 4th - Greek screen reader? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070705103348.025be630@ucla.edu> References: <1998.152.78.61.119.1183634574.squirrel@www.emptech.info> <7.0.1.0.2.20070705103348.025be630@ucla.edu> Message-ID: <004201c7bf53$2c4ad140$0a01a8c0@laptop> Thank you so much - umm I think I will just pass on the information from http://www.blind.gr/ although Babel did a pretty good job "Blind.gr it is the first polymorfjko's node of information and communication of individuals with problems of sight in Greece." Best wishes E.A. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Burke Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 8:44 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] July 4th - Greek screen reader? Hi E.A., I'm not sure who controls the weather, but I think you're right about Greek screen-reading capability. Although these folks say they have used their speech synthesizer with Freedom Sci. products (as well as Dolphin): & there's something interesting going on at: http://www.blind.gr/ My only direct experience is that Jaws 8 displays Greek characters on a braille display, but can't pronounce most of them. Not sure if they have a localized version that works better (which, I think, brings us back to the E-Rhetor project). Patrick No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.0/886 - Release Date: 04/07/2007 13:40 From norm.coombs at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 14:23:29 2007 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Noodle courseware system Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20070704142241.02220eb0@pop.gmail.com> I have no personal experience with Noodle. Does anyone know how accessible it is for a screen reader user? Norm ------------------------------ EASI In June! Barrier-free Web Design is the EASI online course leading to the Certificate in Accessible Information Technology http://easi.cc/workshop.htm The EASI Webinars in June are: Creating Accessible Forms and Thunder RJ: A Screen Reader with Training Wheels http://easi.cc/clinic.htm Norman Coombs CEO EASI http://easi.cc (949) 855-4852 (Pacific time zone) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Kerri_Hicks at brown.edu Thu Jul 5 17:30:36 2007 From: Kerri_Hicks at brown.edu (Kerri Hicks) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Noodle courseware system In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20070704142241.02220eb0@pop.gmail.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20070704142241.02220eb0@pop.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jul 4, 2007, at 5:23 PM, Prof Norm Coombs wrote: > I have no personal experience with Noodle. Does anyone know how > accessible it is for a screen reader user? > Hi Norm. I think you mean Moodle, with an em. Moodle is an open- source courseware product. While I don't know how accessible it currently is for users of screen readers, they do have an accessibility manifesto (my words, not theirs), which can be found at the following URL: http://docs.moodle.org/en/Moodle_Accessibility_Specification Best, Kerri From clctrbl at indiana.edu Sun Jul 8 16:05:06 2007 From: clctrbl at indiana.edu (CALL CENTER IUB) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: 7/11/2007 Conference Call - IUB - Humbert, Joseph MM800 Message-ID: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF035ECBFB@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> When: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:00 PM-3:00 PM (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada). Where: (800) 940-6112 or (812) 856-3600 / 001794# *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Hi! Here is the info for Wednesday?s iTunesU teleconference. Please email me if you are going to attend. I have only reserved 13 spots and IU has to pay for all of them. I have received summaries from 2 people. The time is 11am PST, 12pm MST, 1pm CST, and 2pm EST. Thankx. Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) Office: IT 214E Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 Cell: 847-431-6545 AIM:ATCIUPUI -----Original Appointment----- From: CALL CENTER IUB Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 11:30 AM To: CALL CENTER IUB; Humbert, Joseph A; Sparks, Patricia Subject: 7/11/2007 Conference Call - IUB - Humbert, Joseph MM800 When: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:00 PM-3:00 PM (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada). Where: (800) 940-6112 or (812) 856-3600 / 001794# You have been invited to participate in a Conference Call on 7/11/2007 from 2:00:00 PM to 3:00:00 PM Eastern Time (US & Canada). The Conference Access Information is listed below: Conf Id: 8714 Date: 7/11/2007 Begin Time: 2:00:00 PM Eastern Time (US & Canada) End Time: 3:00:00 PM Eastern Time (US & Canada) Voice Status: Active Announcement Entry: Tone Only Exit: Tone Only Access Type: PIN Attendee Type: Guest Phone Number: (800) 940-6112 or (812) 856-3600 PIN: 001794# This email was automatically generated by the IU UITS Conference system. Please do not reply to this message. For conferencing assistance please call 812-855-4848. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kerri Hicks Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 8:31 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Noodle courseware system On Jul 4, 2007, at 5:23 PM, Prof Norm Coombs wrote: > I have no personal experience with Noodle. Does anyone know how > accessible it is for a screen reader user? > Hi Norm. I think you mean Moodle, with an em. Moodle is an open- source courseware product. 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URL: From FertelL at brevardcc.edu Mon Jul 9 08:36:30 2007 From: FertelL at brevardcc.edu (Fertel, Dr. Lyndi) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Student with a visual impairment in music program In-Reply-To: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF035ECE72@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> References: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF035ECE72@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <3C2D9FDCACFBCB4183516E784E9DC7DE0B90717B@cocoaex3.brevard.cc.fl.us> I had very good luck with Brailling music with ValleyBraille in Las Vegas. However, I was told that they went out of business. The person below said that he had worked for them. You might try emailing him. From: CHARLES SANFORD, SR. [mailto:san4brl@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:43 AM To: Fertel, Dr. Lyndi Subject: Re: FW: CONTRACT INFORMATION/CHARLES L. SANFORD, SR. I am a Independant Contractor I work under Charles Sanford Sr. 3220 Contesa Circle Las Vegas, NV. 89101 Lyndi Lyndi K. Fertel, Ph.D., Director Office for Students with disAbilities Brevard Community College 3865 N. Wickham Rd., Melbourne, FL 32935 1519 Clearlake Rd., Cocoa, FL 32922 (321) 433-5598 fax = Melb., 433-5679; Cocoa, 433-7643 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:07 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Student with a visual impairment in music program Hi all! We have a very talented music student (piano in particular) coming to IU in the fall. He will need his music Brailled. Does anyone have experience with this? What programs do you use? How do you do it? Proofreading? All help is greatly appreciated. Thankx. Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) Office: IT 214E Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 Cell: 847-431-6545 AIM:ATCIUPUI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pratikp1 at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 09:02:58 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Student with a visual impairment in music program In-Reply-To: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF035ECE72@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> References: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF035ECE72@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <002a01c7c242$9f57ccf0$de0766d0$@com> Hello, You may wish to go to www.dancingdots.com. Goodfeel is an excellent music braille translator. There will be certain material that you will need to have translated by independent ocntractors. Dancingdots does provide that service but there are other translators that may be less expensive. Please let us know after you read all the material on Dancingdots' web site. Pratik From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:07 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Student with a visual impairment in music program Hi all! We have a very talented music student (piano in particular) coming to IU in the fall. He will need his music Brailled. Does anyone have experience with this? What programs do you use? How do you do it? Proofreading? All help is greatly appreciated. Thankx. Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) Office: IT 214E Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 Cell: 847-431-6545 AIM:ATCIUPUI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johumber at iupui.edu Mon Jul 9 09:09:58 2007 From: johumber at iupui.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Student with a visual impairment in music program In-Reply-To: <002a01c7c242$9f57ccf0$de0766d0$@com> References: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF035ECE72@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> <002a01c7c242$9f57ccf0$de0766d0$@com> Message-ID: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF035ECF29@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> Hi! I have looked at dancing dots. Are there any other programs out there? Any contractors people recommend? Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) Office: IT 214E Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 Cell: 847-431-6545 AIM:ATCIUPUI From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:03 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Student with a visual impairment in music program Hello, You may wish to go to www.dancingdots.com. Goodfeel is an excellent music braille translator. There will be certain material that you will need to have translated by independent ocntractors. Dancingdots does provide that service but there are other translators that may be less expensive. Please let us know after you read all the material on Dancingdots' web site. 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Lorna Saiz Administrative Systems Operations, AT Coordinator Services for Students with Disabilities Ph:559.278.2811 Fax:559.278.4214 lornas@csufresno.edu http://www.csufresno.edu/ssd ----- Original Message ----- From: CALL CENTER IUB Date: Sunday, July 8, 2007 4:11 pm Subject: [Athen] FW: 7/11/2007 Conference Call - IUB - Humbert, Joseph MM800 To: athen@athenpro.org > When: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:00 PM-3:00 PM (GMT-05:00) Eastern > Time (US & Canada). > Where: (800) 940-6112 or (812) 856-3600 / 001794# > > *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* > > Hi! > > Here is the info for Wednesday?s iTunesU teleconference. Please > email me if you are going to attend. I have only reserved 13 > spots and IU has to pay for all of them. I have received > summaries from 2 people. The time is 11am PST, 12pm MST, 1pm CST, > and 2pm EST. Thankx. > > Joe Humbert > Assistive Technology Specialist > Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) > Office: IT 214E > Email: johumber@iupui.edu > Phone: 317-274-4378 > Cell: 847-431-6545 > AIM:ATCIUPUI > > > -----Original Appointment----- > From: CALL CENTER IUB > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 11:30 AM > To: CALL CENTER IUB; Humbert, Joseph A; Sparks, Patricia > Subject: 7/11/2007 Conference Call - IUB - Humbert, Joseph MM800 > When: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:00 PM-3:00 PM (GMT-05:00) Eastern > Time (US & Canada). > Where: (800) 940-6112 or (812) 856-3600 / 001794# > > > You have been invited to participate in a Conference Call on > 7/11/2007 from 2:00:00 PM to 3:00:00 PM Eastern Time (US & Canada). > The Conference Access Information is listed below: > Conf Id: 8714 > Date: 7/11/2007 > Begin Time: 2:00:00 PM Eastern Time (US & Canada) > End Time: 3:00:00 PM Eastern Time (US & Canada) > Voice Status: Active > Announcement > Entry: Tone Only > Exit: Tone Only > Access Type: PIN > Attendee Type: Guest > > Phone Number: (800) 940-6112 or (812) 856-3600 > PIN: 001794# > > This email was automatically generated by the IU UITS Conference > system. Please do not reply to this message. > For conferencing assistance please call 812-855-4848. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: lornas.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 480 bytes Desc: Card for Lorna Saiz URL: From terrih at asu.edu Mon Jul 9 10:38:43 2007 From: terrih at asu.edu (Terri Hedgpeth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Student with a visual impairment in music program In-Reply-To: <002a01c7c242$9f57ccf0$de0766d0$@com> Message-ID: <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC055EDDA7@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> One more resource is the Braille music collection through NLS. NLS/BPH: NLS Music Services About the braille and audio services for blind and physically handicapped persons who use, scores, librettos, and other music instruction materials in special format. http://www.loc.gov/nls/music/ Also, a list of transcribers: www.freelists.org/archives/bksvol-discuss/02-2007/msg01078.html Dr. Terri Hedgpeth Academic Research Professional CUbiC #376, iCare (480) 727-8133 V (480) 965-1885 Fax CUbiC.asu.edu http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:03 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Student with a visual impairment in music program Hello, You may wish to go to www.dancingdots.com. Goodfeel is an excellent music braille translator. There will be certain material that you will need to have translated by independent ocntractors. Dancingdots does provide that service but there are other translators that may be less expensive. Please let us know after you read all the material on Dancingdots' web site. Pratik From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:07 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Student with a visual impairment in music program Hi all! We have a very talented music student (piano in particular) coming to IU in the fall. He will need his music Brailled. Does anyone have experience with this? What programs do you use? How do you do it? Proofreading? All help is greatly appreciated. Thankx. Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) Office: IT 214E Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 Cell: 847-431-6545 AIM:ATCIUPUI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: meeting.ics Type: text/calendar Size: 1824 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Mon Jul 9 12:28:18 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Student with a visual impairment in music program In-Reply-To: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF035ECE72@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> References: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF035ECE72@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <002f01c7c25f$4e72b350$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Someone already referred you to Dancing Dots. Here are a couple of other options: http://www.opustec.com/ http://www.dodiesis.com/asp/whatisBME.asp?language=2 I have seen a demo of the Braille Music Kit (second link). It's nice in that it is a plug-in for Finale, which is a mainstream music program. Below is a link for a listserve for Braille Music: http://brenthugh.com/braillem/braimfaq.html It has some nice FAQs that will give you more information. You can always check the APH database of transcribers, but here is a possible one: AGENCY NAME Sacramento Braille Transcribers, Inc. CONTACT NAME Dorothy Johnson STATE CA PHONE (916) 455-9121 CAN WORK IN Any location Hope this helps! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:07 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Student with a visual impairment in music program Hi all! We have a very talented music student (piano in particular) coming to IU in the fall. He will need his music Brailled. Does anyone have experience with this? What programs do you use? How do you do it? Proofreading? All help is greatly appreciated. Thankx. 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For those of you who are if you could PLEASE send me you research on apple iTunes accessibility that would be great. If you haven't done any please tell me that. For everyone else there are still 5 spots left and I can arrange more if I call by 4pm today. I will send out the agenda later today. Thankx. Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) Office: IT 214E Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 Cell: 847-431-6545 AIM:ATCIUPUI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) Office: IT 214E Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 Cell: 847-431-6545 AIM:ATCIUPUI -----Original Appointment----- From: Janna Willnauer [mailto:jwillnau@jccc.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:41 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accepted: FW: 7/11/2007 Conference Call - IUB - Humbert,Joseph MM800 When: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 2:00 PM-3:00 PM (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada). Where: (800) 940-6112 or (812) 856-3600 / 001794# I think I have confirmed right? The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. << File: ATT46827187.txt >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Vasquez at sbcc.edu Tue Jul 10 13:26:54 2007 From: Vasquez at sbcc.edu (Laurie Vasquez) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] iTunes U Accessibility conference call In-Reply-To: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF035ED3CF@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> References: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF035ED3CF@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <4693891E.1869.00F8.0@sbcc.edu> FYI - during your discussions. Questioning the Student Use of and Desire for Lecture Podcasts, Laura Guertin, Matthew J. Bodek, Sarah E. Zappe, and Heeyoung Kim The use of audio files, specifically podcasts, has become more visible and accessible to students in higher education. Despite a lack of pedagogical research on the benefits of podcasting, several universities have adopted the technology of using audio for instruction outside of class and sharing of information. Although institutions and instructors have embraced the technology, have the students? A professor in an introductory geoscience course for nonscience majors recorded the audio from classroom lectures and made these audio files available through the university*s online course management system. Student accesses of the audio files were tracked. The students were surveyed about their knowledge on how to utilize the audio files and if they believed the audio to be of some use. Although percentages were not high in terms of student accesses to individual lectures, and a little over half the students were aware of how to access and utilize the files, all of the students reported a perceived value to having lecture podcasts available. http://jolt.merlot.org/vol3no2/guertin.pdf Laurie Vasquez >>> "Humbert, Joseph A" 7/10/2007 5:58 AM >>> Hi! So far we have 8 people participating. For those of you who are if you could PLEASE send me you research on apple iTunes accessibility that would be great. If you haven't done any please tell me that. For everyone else there are still 5 spots left and I can arrange more if I call by 4pm today. I will send out the agenda later today. Thankx. Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) Office: IT 214E Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 Cell: 847-431-6545 AIM:ATCIUPUI From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Tue Jul 10 16:54:42 2007 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Student with a visual impairment in music program In-Reply-To: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF035ECE72@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> References: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF035ECE72@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <46941C42.3060008@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Hi Joe et al in ATHEN-land, This is a response I received from our AT music specialist at MCC. Here you go..... Hope this helps. Blessings, Wink Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ The Alternative Text Lab at Mesa Community College uses a variety of music software. Goodfeel /Dancing Dots, LIME and Sharp Eye. Goodfeel is the Braille translation software. LIME is the program that interfaces MIDI to Music and has an on-screen piano keyboard where the notes may be placed in a measure of music and then be played back for listening accuracy. Sharp Eye is the music editing software. This is when and where, before being sent to Braille, a sighted person views the music notes, key signatures, time signatures & accidentals for accuracy. It has been more than 3 years since I (our DRS employee, Tom K) have been a part of this music Braille translation program and I am sure there are new upgrades. However, the best advice I can offer is to have a sighted person who is very fluent with the what the instructor expects, the music piece, the sheet music being modified or the new music being produced. When we were developing this program, we were fortunate to have an expert from the music department to do the editing and reviewing for the student. Also, keep in mind that if a scanned piece of sheet music has a speck of dust on the sheet, it may be seen by the software as a note and possibly change the score/music. PS. We have a midi keyboard & earphones for the student to create the score in the lab, listen, a sighted person edit & proofread/proof-listen, and the student can then send to the embosser to proof him/herself for braille accuracy. Double & triple editing & proofing is critical for accuracy. Hope this is helpful, Joe and all ATHENites Wink ----Original Message---- From: wink.harner@mcmail.maricopa.edu Date: 07/09/2007 9:18 To: "Tom K" Subj: Re: [Athen] Student with a visual impairment in music program Hi Tom, Please answer as much as you can & reply to me! Thanks Wink Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > > Hi all! > > > > We have a very talented music student (piano in particular) coming to > IU in the fall. He will need his music Brailled. Does anyone have > experience with this? What programs do you use? 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Ron From: Lissner, Scott [mailto:Lissner.2@osu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:16 AM To: ADA-OSU Subject: Call for Papers - save the date Please Distribute Eighth Annual Multiple Perspectives on Access, Inclusion & Disability April 22 and 23, 2008 On the Columbus Campus of The Ohio State University "Congress acknowledged that society's accumulated myths and fears about disability and disease are as handicapping as are the physical limitations that flow from actual impairment." Justice William J. Brennan, Jr. 480 U.S. 284 Conference information past programs and updates can be found at: http://ada.osu.edu/conferences.htm to be on the mailing list for the conference send an e-mail to ADA-OSU@osu.edu. CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS (Proposals are due October 31, 2007) The Eighth Annual Multiple Perspectives conference continues the university's efforts to bring together a diverse audience to explore disability as both an individual experience and social reality that cuts across typical divisions of education & employment; scholarship & service; business & government; race, gender & ethnicity. The annual theme is meant to encourage presenters and participants to consider topics, methods and programs from fresh perspectives. Two decades ago Congress investigated the status of individuals with disabilities in society. Their findings lead to the passage of the Americans With Disabilities Act in 1990. How relevant are those findings today? As we approach the second decade under the ADA let's take stock in the status of disability. Papers addressing the themes of Access, Inclusion and Disability are sought for the Eighth Annual Multiple Perspectives Conference Access: ."individuals with disabilities continually encounter various forms of discrimination, including outright intentional exclusion, the discriminatory effects of architectural, transportation, and communication barriers, overprotective rules and policies, failure to make modifications to existing facilities and practices, exclusionary qualification standards and criteria, segregation, and relegation to lesser services, programs, activities, benefits, jobs, or other opportunities;." Inclusion: ."the Nations proper goals regarding individuals with disabilities are to assure equality of opportunity, full participation, independent living, and economic self-sufficiency for such individuals;" Disability: ."individuals with disabilities are a discrete and insular minority who have been faced with restrictions and limitations, subjected to a history of purposeful unequal treatment, and relegated to a position of political powerlessness in our society, based on characteristics that are beyond the control of such individuals and resulting from stereotypic assumptions not truly indicative of the ability of such individuals to participate in, and contribute to, society." SUBMISSION GUIDELINES Proposals are due October 31, 2007 . Submit as an attachment (Word, Word Perfect, TXT, or RTF formats) to ADA-OSU@osu.edu . By Fax at 614-688-3665 (FAX) . In the mail: University ADA Coordinator's Office 1849 Cannon Drive Columbus, OH 43210. Proposals must include: . Names and (as appropriate) titles and institutions for each presenter. . Contact information (phone, mailing address, and e-mail) if there is more than one presenter please indicate one individual as the lead presenter. . Title of Presentation . DESCRIPTION . In 700 words or less please describe the content, focus and desired outcomes for the presentation. . What is the Format of the Presentation (Lecture, Panel, Discussion, Poster*, Performance, Other)? . Who is the intended audience (educators, employers, businesses, advocates students, consumers, researchers, etc.? . How familiar should the audience be with the topic (beginner, intermediate, advanced)? . Anticipated Audio Visual needs Please Note: The full conference fees will be waived and lunch provided for presenters of accepted proposals presenters are responsible for their own travel and lodging. *Poster sessions proposed by currently enrolled students (graduate or undergraduate) will be accepted through March 21, 2008. L. 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Attendees: Joe Humbert - Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis Mary Stores - Indiana University Janna Willnauer - Jackson County Community College Jayme Johnson - High Tech Center California Community Colleges Lorna Saiz - California State Fresno Candace Richardson - Indiana University East Pratik Patel - Not sure where Patrick Burke - UCLA Lisa Fiedor - North Carolina State Dan Comden - University of Washington Saroj Primlani - North Carolina State Agenda: 2:05pm - Introductions 2:10pm - Summary of Previous research 2:25pm - Road map for where we are going 2:45pm - Forming Sub-groups 2:55pm - Deciding on next meeting date and time (preferably two weeks from current meeting) Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) Office: IT 214E Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 Cell: 847-431-6545 AIM:ATCIUPUI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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California State Fresno Candace Richardson - Indiana University East Pratik Patel ? Not sure where Patrick Burke ? UCLA Lisa Fiedor ? North Carolina State Dan Comden ? University of Washington Saroj Primlani ? North Carolina State Agenda: 2:05pm ? Introductions 2:10pm ? Summary of Previous research 2:25pm ? Road map for where we are going 2:45pm ? Forming Sub-groups 2:55pm ? Deciding on next meeting date and time (preferably two weeks from current meeting) Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) Office: IT 214E Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 Cell: 847-431-6545 AIM:ATCIUPUI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ron -----Original Message----- From: trithdo@oak.edmunds-enterprises.com [mailto:trithdo@oak.edmunds-enterprises.com] On Behalf Of ahead@ahead.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:01 PM To: ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com Subject: Important Resource from the NJCLD Dear AHEAD Members, As we get ready to convene in Charlotte for our Annual Conference, we are pleased to announce that the National Joint Committee on Learning Disabilities (NJCLD) has just published a report entitled "The Documentation Disconnect for Students With Learning Disabilities: Improving Access to Postsecondary Disability Services" (July, 2007). This report has been endorsed by a majority of the organizations that comprise the NJCLD. These organizations are: American-Speech-Hearing Association, Association of Educational Therapists, AHEAD, Council for Learning Disabilities, Division of Communicative Disorders and Deafness, Division for Learning Disabilities, International Dyslexia Association, Learning Disabilities Association of America, National Association of African American Children With Learning Disabilities, National Association of School Psychologists, National Center for Learning Disabilities and Recording for the Blind and Dyslexic. These organizations serve over 400,000 constituents! This report has been in progress for a long time and AHEAD has had substantial input. The report articulates the disconnect caused by the differences in legislation that govern postsecondary and secondary education, and the different purposes that documentation is used for. The report is a call to action encouraging secondary and postsecondary personnel to consider the serious issues surrounding documentation. Concrete recommendations are made to support that effort. It is hoped that the report will be used to start dialogs between all of the entities that are responsible for documentation issues for students with learning disabilities. The report will be disseminated widely through the NJCLD. For most of the time that this report was being researched and written Christy Lendman was one of AHEAD's representatives to the NJCLD. In the spring of 2007 Peggy Hayeslip took her place. We encourage you to read this report carefully and find ways to open a dialog at your local and state meetings. As states do this we will let you know, so that you can use that information in your own state. This report is only a start, however it is critical that we consider the tenets that are articulated here to do what we can to reduce the disconnect! We hope to have an opportunity at AHEAD to talk about the report, so you may want to print it out and bring it! You can access the full report online and for download at: http://ahead.org/resources/njld_paper.php Sincerely yours, Lydia Block and Peggy Hayeslip AHEAD's Representatives to the NJCLD ____________________________________________________ ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com**You are receiving this e-mail solely because you are a member of AHEAD, not because of your affiliation with any mailing list, listserv, or other organization. Please feel welcome to contact AHEAD at ahead@ahead.org if you have any questions about this e-mail transmission.** From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Jul 12 10:08:31 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Reaching Exhibitors at AHEAD for AHG In-Reply-To: <001401c7c4a2$da5491f0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711603D69BD6@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Please send attachment ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:37 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Reaching Exhibitors at AHEAD for AHG [I'm sending this without the attachment for now while I wait for moderator approval. Let me know if you're interested, and I'll send you the attachment directly - thanks] Hello All: I know this is late notice, but I've attached an exhibitor registration form/ info sheet for the 2007 AHG conference. If anyone is attending or presenting at AHEAD and is willing to print out copies of this form to hand out to exhibitors, it would be appreciated. I'm willing to reimburse any copying costs if that's an issue. I also have some very nice save the date cards I can mail to anyone who wants to hand them out AHEAD. Just let me know where to mail them and how many you want. For those that are attending and presenting, have a good trip. Thank you, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:37 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Reaching Exhibitors at AHEAD for AHG [I'm sending this without the attachment for now while I wait for moderator approval. Let me know if you're interested, and I'll send you the attachment directly - thanks] Hello All: I know this is late notice, but I've attached an exhibitor registration form/ info sheet for the 2007 AHG conference. If anyone is attending or presenting at AHEAD and is willing to print out copies of this form to hand out to exhibitors, it would be appreciated. I'm willing to reimburse any copying costs if that's an issue. I also have some very nice save the date cards I can mail to anyone who wants to hand them out AHEAD. Just let me know where to mail them and how many you want. For those that are attending and presenting, have a good trip. Thank you, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Thu Jul 12 09:18:35 2007 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Reaching Exhibitors at AHEAD for AHG Message-ID: <000901c7c4a0$4c537da0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Hello All: I know this is late notice, but I've attached an exhibitor registration form/ info sheet for the 2007 AHG conference. If anyone is attending or presenting at AHEAD and is willing to print out copies of this form to hand out to exhibitors, it would be appreciated. I'm willing to reimburse any copying costs if that's an issue. I also have some very nice save the date cards I can mail to anyone who wants to hand them out AHEAD. Just let me know where to mail them and how many you want. For those that are attending and presenting, have a good trip. Thank you, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: exhibitor form 2007.doc Type: application/msword Size: 368640 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stacylee at ksu.edu Fri Jul 13 07:24:21 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Transcription services Message-ID: <1184336661.46978b15ca9b4@webmail.ksu.edu> I'm going to cross-post, so my apologies in advance. I know this has been a topic before, but I can't for the life of me find any saved information on it - We're looking for a good transcription service that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. I'd appreciate any feedback you can give me on companies you may use. Please note: transcription, NOT captioning. Thanks, Stacy Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba From norm.coombs at gmail.com Fri Jul 13 10:10:38 2007 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] How Do You Make Wise Software Choices for Accessibility? Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20070713100541.021b84d0@pop.gmail.com> We all know that schools and colleges regularly make purchases of important software without bothering to investigate whether or not it is accessible for students or staff with disabilities. Does your institution have any process to compel or encourage software purchases to meet some test of its accessibility? Does your DSS or AT people have any input into such choices?? I am hoping to find about places that are making some sincere attempt to see that important software decisions will be accessible. I hope you have some good news to share! Norm Coombs EASI (Equal Access to Software and Information) From hunziker at email.arizona.edu Fri Jul 13 10:42:39 2007 From: hunziker at email.arizona.edu (Dawn Hunziker) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] UPDATE: iTunes U teleconference Agenda In-Reply-To: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF036E2929@iu-mssg-mbx105.ad s.iu.edu> References: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF036E28DD@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> <200707111452.l6BEqex9025152@outgoing.mit.edu> <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF036E2929@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <20070713174113.ACE6070B0E@smtpgate.email.arizona.edu> Hi All, I just found out that the University of Arizona is planning to participate in iTunes U. I searched through my ATHEN email archives for more information so I have a little more understanding on what's going on but..... Since I'm not an expert iTunes user... are the accessibility issues in both the creation of the podcasts as well as the interface to search and download the information? I'm meeting with the campus podcasting "guru" on Wednesday 7/18 so any suggestions / input would be much appreciated! Thanks all, in advance and have a good weekend! Dawn At 08:07 AM 7/11/2007, you wrote: >Content-class: urn:content-classes:message >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7C3CD.2BA8BBAD" > >Attendees: > >Joe Humbert ? Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis >Mary Stores ? Indiana University >Janna Willnauer ? Jackson County Community College >Jayme Johnson ? High Tech Center California Community Colleges >Lorna Saiz ? California State Fresno >Candace Richardson - Indiana University East >Pratik Patel ? City University of New York (my apologies) >Patrick Burke ? UCLA >Lisa Fiedor ? North Carolina State >Dan Comden ? University of Washington >Saroj Primlani ? North Carolina State >Kathleen Cahill - MIT > >Joe Humbert >Assistive Technology Specialist >Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) >Office: IT 214E >Email: johumber@iupui.edu >Phone: 317-274-4378 >Cell: 847-431-6545 >AIM:ATCIUPUI > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Dawn Hunziker Assistive Technology Coordinator University of Arizona Disability Resource Center 1224 E. Lowell St. P.O. Box 210095 Tucson, AZ 85721 (520) 626-9409 (520) 626-5500 (FAX) Web Page: http://drc.arizona.edu hunziker@email.arizona.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC0569A071@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Speaking of students studying music, here is a great resource to check out. Dr. Terri Hedgpeth Academic Research Professional Cubic, iCare box 87-8309 Arizona State University Tempe, AZ 85287-8309 (480) 727-8133 (voice) (480) 965-2751 (fax) http://cubic.asu.edu -----Original Message----- From: blindnews-bounces@blindprogramming.com [mailto:blindnews-bounces@blindprogramming.com] On Behalf Of BlindNews Mailing List Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 3:34 AM To: BlindNews@BlindProgramming.com Subject: JSonar Tutorial Released! www.jsonar.org Sunday, July 01, 2007 JSonar Tutorial Released! By vtsaran JSonar -- JAWS Scripts for Cakewalk Sonar Welcome to the JSonar project page. Here you will find the JAWS scripts for the world-renown Cakewalk Sonar music recording software. LINK: http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/default.asp The project is developed and maintained byVictor Tsaran and James Teh with multiple contributions from other people. See the "Credits" section in the README for a full list of contributors. JSonar is subject to the terms and conditions of the GNU General Public License. The goal of JSonar is to provide access to the very complex graphical interface of the Sonar recording software from 12 Tone Systems. JSonar (JAWS with Sonar) will currently work with JAWS screen reading software only. JSonar became possible thanks to the powerful scripting language of JAWS. Many users found it difficult to process big JSonar ReadMe so we decided to put together a small JSonar tutorial which is easy to browse online and search within. You can view the JSonar Tutorial here. LINK: http://jsonar.org/drupal/tutorial What Can you Do with JSonar? Credits Software and hardware Requirements Installing JSonar Configuring JSonar Supported Features Known Accessibility Issues Tips and Tricks JSonar Revision History Submitted by vtsaran on Sun, 07/01/2007 - 07:29. http://jsonar.org/drupal/node/23 -- BlindNews mailing list To contact a list moderator about a problem or to make a request, send a message to BlindNews-Owner@BlindProgramming.com The BlindNews list is archived at: http://GeoffAndWen.com/blind/ To address a message to all members of the list, send mail to: BlindNews@blindprogramming.com Access your subscription info at: http://blindprogramming.com/mailman/listinfo/blindnews_blindprogramming. com To unsubscribe via e-mail: send a message to BlindNews-Request@BlindProgramming.com with the word unsubscribe in either the subject or body of the message From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Sat Jul 14 07:16:10 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Google Books are now accessible (ish) Message-ID: <005a01c7c621$93e446e0$bbacd4a0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Interesting development, too bad you have to have a screen reader to use it at this point. Ron Original article published at: http://www.daisy.org/news/default.asp#newsitem322 First Step in Adding Accessibility to Google Books - Was It Enough? by George Kerscher 7/13/2007 Copyright (c) 2007 George Kerscher On July 3, 2007, Google quietly made what may seem to be a subtle change to Google Books. However, individuals who are blind or have a print disability are going to be both very excited and disappointed. For them it is not a "subtle" change. A very special hidden link was added to the Google Books in the "full view", which is exposed to Assistive Technology (AT) such as screen readers used by people who are blind or have a visual impairment. Google Books has been of huge interest to those in the print-disabled community ever since it was announced. It is estimated that less than 5% of books published in print are ever produced in an accessible format. This scanning project has the potential of being an unparalleled source of books, and will be a huge improvement over what is available in the mainstream for persons who are blind or print disabled. The DAISY (www.daisy.org) standard, which provides structured and multimedia access to a book, still provides the ultimate in accessibility. Other disability groups as well as the educational community are just now learning the benefits of DAISY and the multiple projects funded by The DAISY Consortium. Google technology so far does not compete well with the accessible features of DAISY books, but the scanning of millions upon millions of books from libraries around the world marks the serious start of the digitization of the world's print heritage. Now, with Google Books, not only is the Web indexed by the Internet giant, but the wealth of knowledge stored in our libraries can be found and accessed. The search function in Google Books returns titles that have a match in the text of the book. Words which are found are highlighted on the image of the printed page from the original book. If the title is in copyright a "snippet" is visible, but if it is out of copyright, the "full view" of the page is displayed. The very special hidden link that is available from the full view now allows people who use access technology with their computers to read the text. Prior to this change, it was not possible, the views were images, not text. At the National Federation of the Blind's Annual Conference held on July 5, Dr. T.V. Raman, who is himself blind and who works for Google, said, "Consider this to be step zero of many steps that will benefit blind and print-disabled persons throughout the world." Indeed this is a significant step; having hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of books available to a population that thirsts for information, but which is blocked from using traditional mechanisms for reading, is without precedent and of extreme importance. How does the accessible version work? Google inserts a "hidden" link to the OCR view of the text. With Assistive Technology in place it is prominently presented as the first item in the full view. This link takes the reader to a completely accessible interface to the book. Normal keyboard commands that screen readers typically use are all present in this interface. A person with a disability using Assistive Technology can read the OCR text, move to the next or previous page, go to pages, and use the table of contents. If sighted users have the loading of images turned off, the link is exposed, but it is very difficult to find. Sighted users have the better option to "view plain text" which substitutes the image view with the scanned text . The presentation from the new hidden link provides the same functionality, but in a much more screen reader friendly approach. However, there is an inequality that must be addressed immediately. Reading off-line is supported by Google Books. There is an option to download a PDF version of full view books, but because these are only images of the pages Assistive Technology can not present the information to the blind reader. This functionality is therefore only available to the sighted community. At present there is no option for readers who are blind or have some other print disability to download an entire book as a zip file for off-line reading. Most people who use alternatives to print books use some kind of portable reading device. Very few people do their reading online and without a download feature there is this glaring inequality between the reading options for sighted and users who are blind or print disabled. I trust this is one of the many improvements which Raman references. In addition, those unable to see the screen cannot access the "limited" (snippet) view, and there are no links to sites where someone who is blind or has a print disability can go to get an accessible commercial version or a high quality version with figure descriptions and other important features from a library serving persons with disabilities, for example, Recording For the Blind and Dyslexic (RFB&D) in the USA or one of the many other libraries which make up the DAISY Consortium and serve the blind and print-disabled population around the world. Raman believes that the Google Book search is tremendous for research purposes, but that it is not intended to replace traditional libraries or bookstores. Nonetheless, sighted persons can download the whole book for free. Raman said, "As a blind person, I want the same access as anybody else. I eventually hope we can link to a place where the blind person can get the accessible version in the format they want with figure descriptions and all, like from Recording For the Blind & Dyslexic." Indeed once commercial digital publications become accessible through Assistive Technology, the Google Book search should lead the reader using Assistive Technology to a site where the book can be purchased or to a library site that provides the book in the high quality DAISY format, braille, or large print, just as it does for sighted readers. Never the less it is a fact that the Google collection contains more titles than are in all the libraries serving the blind throughout the world. One must recognize that the Google content may be the only source for accessing many of these titles. It is not perfect. The OCR errors are quite obvious. These are not normally apparent to sighted readers because they are looking at the image of the page rather than the plain text view. The Google Book search, optimized for scanned materials, still yields outstanding results with the searches. Raman said, "The OCR errors are there, but this will get better over time." By this Raman may mean that the OCR recognition approaches will be improved by Google and the errors will be corrected through an automated process. I agree that there will be the ongoing need for the alternative versions that have figure descriptions, tactile graphics and the other important enhancements that the libraries serving the blind provides. Google is seeking input from blind and disabled users. Raman suggests that persons with disabilities sign up for an account on Google (persons who are blind will be able to use the accessible audible Captcha they have developed). They should then sign up for the "accessibility" forum. In this forum you can post messages to accessible@google.com and share your thoughts about the many accessibility features that Google is introducing, including Google Books. I applaud the first step that Google has taken. I trust that it is indeed Google's first step toward full access to the information in Google Books. I understand that Google believes in the iterative software development process. As such, this is the first iteration of their accessibility developments in Google Books. I personally believe that in our Information Age, access to information is a fundamental human right. Any newly developed information technology must take into consideration the needs of blind and print disabled readers from the beginning; doing anything less is simply wrong and a violation of our human rights. Nobody benefits more from Google's first step than readers who are blind or have a print disability. Now let's take more steps towards equality starting with the download of the full book just as a sighted reader can do. -- DISCLAIMER: NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you should not use, disclose, distribute or copy any of the content of it or of any attachment; you are requested to notify the sender immediately of your receipt of the email and then to delete it and any attachments from your system. RNIB endeavours to ensure that emails and any attachments generated by its staff are free from viruses or other contaminants. However, it cannot accept any responsibility for any such which are transmitted. We therefore recommend you scan all attachments. Please note that the statements and views expressed in this email and any attachments are those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RNIB. 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It can be found at: http://www.nasponline.org/resources/Powerpoints/IDEAoverview.ppt A text only version is available by putting SOP in the search box at www.nasponline.org Carole Burrowbridge, MS Coordinator Disability Support Services Mercer University Connell Student Center 1400 Coleman Ave Macon, GA 31207 Phone (478) 301-2778 Fax (478) 301-2127 From kcahill at MIT.EDU Mon Jul 16 06:50:21 2007 From: kcahill at MIT.EDU (Kathleen Cahill) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] UPDATE: iTunes U teleconference Agenda and responsedattendees In-Reply-To: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF036E2929@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <200707161350.l6GDo70b027018@outgoing.mit.edu> Hi Joe; By the way, were there any notes from the June 6 web conference? Thanks. Kathy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is possible to use these new dissemination tools in ways that truly enhance learning for all. WHY SHOULD I PROVIDE TRANSCRIPTIONS OF MY PODCASTS OR VODCASTS? Providing transcriptions and/or synchronized captions for them is much more useful than only making the content available to users who have visual or hearing impairments. They are important ingredients in transforming Podcasts and Vodcasts from being merely entertainment and making them into learning experiences. The really useful aspect of Podcasts and Vodcasts is the ability to play them on portable, personal devices letting the user access them anywhere and at any time. However, without the addition of being able to get a transcription, the Podcast or Vodcast can become a largely passive experience with much of the content being lost when the user finishes playing them. A transcription enables the user to interact with the content by underlining, and adding personal comments, questions and notations. Obviously these same transcriptions opens up access to the content for students with various disabilities. Yet, the truth is that providing a transcription is crucial in order to turn Podcasts and Vodcasts into tools for dissemination of educational content. HOW CAN I LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS 4-PART WEBINAR SERIES? You can read about this 4-part Webinar series provided twice, once in August and again in September, and also register for the fee-based series at: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm EASI'S 3 PODCAST FEEDS EASI has been providing Podcasts for several months now. There are 3 different feeds with episodes being posted every 2-3 weeks to each. They are: IT Tips and Tricks It's About People Not Technology Recorded Presentations from Accessibility Conferences you can read more and join any of these Podcast feeds at: http://easi.cc/podcasts You can email EASI at: easi.easi@gmail.com ---------- ---------- ---------- EASI 4-part Webinar Series in August: Creating Accessible Podcasts and Vodcasts http://easi.cc/clinic.htm EASI August Courses: Train the Trainer and Accessible Multimedia http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs CEO EASI http://easi.cc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alice.anderson at doit.wisc.edu Tue Jul 17 06:28:28 2007 From: alice.anderson at doit.wisc.edu (Alice Anderson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] AT position(s) on your campus In-Reply-To: <001601c7c6f5$1b3788e0$51a69aa0$@org> References: <001601c7c6f5$1b3788e0$51a69aa0$@org> Message-ID: <80763202-6B05-463D-B844-DE98557BCAD5@doit.wisc.edu> ATHEN folks, Over time, I've seen several position vacancy listings for AT positions, and at the same time, many campuses are looking at how to create a position on their campus, or where to put it (Student Disability Services, Information Technology, Library, Dean of Students or ???) Please respond if you have an AT (Assistive/Adaptive or ? Technology Position) on your campus Where it is housed, and if you have a position description, please send. I'd be happy to condense the information if folks feel this would be useful. thanks to all, Alice Alice Anderson, Director MIDWEST Alliance for Science,Technology, Engineering and Math www.stemmidwest.org and Technology Accessibility Program Division of Information Technology (DoIT) University of Wisconsin-Madison 1210 West Dayton Street (3124) Madison, WI 53706 http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/ Telephone: 608.262.2129 From jeano at uwm.edu Tue Jul 17 08:13:26 2007 From: jeano at uwm.edu (Jean Salzer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] AT position(s) on your campus In-Reply-To: <80763202-6B05-463D-B844-DE98557BCAD5@doit.wisc.edu> References: <001601c7c6f5$1b3788e0$51a69aa0$@org> <80763202-6B05-463D-B844-DE98557BCAD5@doit.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <469CDC96.1010507@uwm.edu> Hi Alice, We don't have an AT position at UW-Milwaukee. I have taken on the role due to my involvement with blind/visually impaired students and as the alternative textbook coordinator. It's supposed to be only 10% of my job, but it's definitely more. Jean Alice Anderson wrote: >ATHEN folks, > >Over time, I've seen several position vacancy listings for AT >positions, and at the same time, many campuses are looking at how >to create a position on their campus, or where to put it (Student >Disability Services, Information Technology, Library, Dean of Students >or ???) > >Please respond if you have an AT (Assistive/Adaptive or ? Technology >Position) on your campus > >Where it is housed, > >and if you have a position description, please send. > >I'd be happy to condense the information if folks feel this would be >useful. > >thanks to all, > >Alice > > >Alice Anderson, Director >MIDWEST Alliance for Science,Technology, Engineering and Math >www.stemmidwest.org > >and > >Technology Accessibility Program >Division of Information Technology (DoIT) >University of Wisconsin-Madison >1210 West Dayton Street (3124) >Madison, WI 53706 >http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/ >Telephone: 608.262.2129 > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nick Nick Baker Assistive Technology Coordinator nick.baker@umontana.edu 406-243-2234 (Voice/TTY) 406-243-2663 (Voice only) Disability Services for Students The University of Montana EL 154 32 Campus Drive Missoula, MT 59812 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Alice Anderson Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:28 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Cc: Daniel M. Frommelt Subject: [Athen] AT position(s) on your campus ATHEN folks, Over time, I've seen several position vacancy listings for AT positions, and at the same time, many campuses are looking at how to create a position on their campus, or where to put it (Student Disability Services, Information Technology, Library, Dean of Students or ???) Please respond if you have an AT (Assistive/Adaptive or ? Technology Position) on your campus Where it is housed, and if you have a position description, please send. I'd be happy to condense the information if folks feel this would be useful. thanks to all, Alice Alice Anderson, Director MIDWEST Alliance for Science,Technology, Engineering and Math www.stemmidwest.org and Technology Accessibility Program Division of Information Technology (DoIT) University of Wisconsin-Madison 1210 West Dayton Street (3124) Madison, WI 53706 http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/ Telephone: 608.262.2129 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Tue Jul 17 08:21:31 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] AT position(s) on your campus Message-ID: I am the AT Coordinator on my campus. I report to the manager of IT, but take direction from our disability services office. AT Coordination is only 1/3 of my job, or at least, it's supposed to be. It really comes out to more than half my job. Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 From saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu Tue Jul 17 13:54:40 2007 From: saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu (Saroj Primlani) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] AT Positions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301c7c8b4$b2308060$dcc30798@sarojnewlaptop> The number of positions and responsibilities will depend on each institutions needs, at NC State we have one AT person in Disability Services Office who works with AT student needs including electronic text and alternative media and another AT person in Information Technology addressing the accessibility of the IT infrastructure, including web pages and application. Saroj _________________________________ Saroj Primlani Coordinator of University IT Accessibility ITD 919 513 4087 http://ncsu.edu/it/access -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of athen-request@athenpro.org Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 3:00 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 18, Issue 20 Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." Today's Topics: 1. IS PODCASTING JUST A NEW FAD OR IS IT A NEW LEARNING TOOL? (Prof Norm Coombs) 2. AT position(s) on your campus (Alice Anderson) 3. Re: AT position(s) on your campus (Jean Salzer) 4. Re: AT position(s) on your campus (Baker, Nick) 5. Re: AT position(s) on your campus (Kelmer, Susan M.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:00:50 -0700 From: Prof Norm Coombs Subject: [Athen] IS PODCASTING JUST A NEW FAD OR IS IT A NEW LEARNING TOOL? To: "DSSHE-L-LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU" Cc: "athen-athenpro.org" Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20070716115956.02216080@pop.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Podcasts, Vodcasts and Universal Design EASI (Equal Access to Software and Information) is providing a 4-week series of 4 Webinars on Podcasts, Vodcasts and the Application of Universal Design. EASI's first concern is how to make them accessible for users with disabilities, but we are convinced that this is truly one time that accessibility also enhances the experience for EVERYONE! Podcasting and now Vodcasting are becoming popular as a new way to distribute educational content. One of the questions being asked is whether these are just a passing fad or are they a new learning tool. In part, the answer depends on where they are used and even more on how they are designed. It is possible to use these new dissemination tools in ways that truly enhance learning for all. WHY SHOULD I PROVIDE TRANSCRIPTIONS OF MY PODCASTS OR VODCASTS? Providing transcriptions and/or synchronized captions for them is much more useful than only making the content available to users who have visual or hearing impairments. They are important ingredients in transforming Podcasts and Vodcasts from being merely entertainment and making them into learning experiences. The really useful aspect of Podcasts and Vodcasts is the ability to play them on portable, personal devices letting the user access them anywhere and at any time. However, without the addition of being able to get a transcription, the Podcast or Vodcast can become a largely passive experience with much of the content being lost when the user finishes playing them. A transcription enables the user to interact with the content by underlining, and adding personal comments, questions and notations. Obviously these same transcriptions opens up access to the content for students with various disabilities. Yet, the truth is that providing a transcription is crucial in order to turn Podcasts and Vodcasts into tools for dissemination of educational content. HOW CAN I LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS 4-PART WEBINAR SERIES? You can read about this 4-part Webinar series provided twice, once in August and again in September, and also register for the fee-based series at: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm EASI'S 3 PODCAST FEEDS EASI has been providing Podcasts for several months now. There are 3 different feeds with episodes being posted every 2-3 weeks to each. They are: IT Tips and Tricks It's About People Not Technology Recorded Presentations from Accessibility Conferences you can read more and join any of these Podcast feeds at: http://easi.cc/podcasts You can email EASI at: easi.easi@gmail.com ---------- ---------- ---------- EASI 4-part Webinar Series in August: Creating Accessible Podcasts and Vodcasts http://easi.cc/clinic.htm EASI August Courses: Train the Trainer and Accessible Multimedia http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs CEO EASI http://easi.cc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20070716/89bb26 0e/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:28:28 -0500 From: Alice Anderson Subject: [Athen] AT position(s) on your campus To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Cc: "Daniel M. Frommelt" Message-ID: <80763202-6B05-463D-B844-DE98557BCAD5@doit.wisc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed ATHEN folks, Over time, I've seen several position vacancy listings for AT positions, and at the same time, many campuses are looking at how to create a position on their campus, or where to put it (Student Disability Services, Information Technology, Library, Dean of Students or ???) Please respond if you have an AT (Assistive/Adaptive or ? Technology Position) on your campus Where it is housed, and if you have a position description, please send. I'd be happy to condense the information if folks feel this would be useful. thanks to all, Alice Alice Anderson, Director MIDWEST Alliance for Science,Technology, Engineering and Math www.stemmidwest.org and Technology Accessibility Program Division of Information Technology (DoIT) University of Wisconsin-Madison 1210 West Dayton Street (3124) Madison, WI 53706 http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/ Telephone: 608.262.2129 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:13:26 -0500 From: Jean Salzer Subject: Re: [Athen] AT position(s) on your campus To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Message-ID: <469CDC96.1010507@uwm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Alice, We don't have an AT position at UW-Milwaukee. I have taken on the role due to my involvement with blind/visually impaired students and as the alternative textbook coordinator. It's supposed to be only 10% of my job, but it's definitely more. Jean Alice Anderson wrote: >ATHEN folks, > >Over time, I've seen several position vacancy listings for AT >positions, and at the same time, many campuses are looking at how >to create a position on their campus, or where to put it (Student >Disability Services, Information Technology, Library, Dean of Students >or ???) > >Please respond if you have an AT (Assistive/Adaptive or ? Technology >Position) on your campus > >Where it is housed, > >and if you have a position description, please send. > >I'd be happy to condense the information if folks feel this would be >useful. > >thanks to all, > >Alice > > >Alice Anderson, Director >MIDWEST Alliance for Science,Technology, Engineering and Math >www.stemmidwest.org > >and > >Technology Accessibility Program >Division of Information Technology (DoIT) >University of Wisconsin-Madison >1210 West Dayton Street (3124) >Madison, WI 53706 >http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/ >Telephone: 608.262.2129 > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nick Nick Baker Assistive Technology Coordinator nick.baker@umontana.edu 406-243-2234 (Voice/TTY) 406-243-2663 (Voice only) Disability Services for Students The University of Montana EL 154 32 Campus Drive Missoula, MT 59812 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Alice Anderson Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:28 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Cc: Daniel M. Frommelt Subject: [Athen] AT position(s) on your campus ATHEN folks, Over time, I've seen several position vacancy listings for AT positions, and at the same time, many campuses are looking at how to create a position on their campus, or where to put it (Student Disability Services, Information Technology, Library, Dean of Students or ???) Please respond if you have an AT (Assistive/Adaptive or ? Technology Position) on your campus Where it is housed, and if you have a position description, please send. I'd be happy to condense the information if folks feel this would be useful. thanks to all, Alice Alice Anderson, Director MIDWEST Alliance for Science,Technology, Engineering and Math www.stemmidwest.org and Technology Accessibility Program Division of Information Technology (DoIT) University of Wisconsin-Madison 1210 West Dayton Street (3124) Madison, WI 53706 http://www.doit.wisc.edu/accessibility/ Telephone: 608.262.2129 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:21:31 -0500 From: "Kelmer, Susan M." Subject: Re: [Athen] AT position(s) on your campus To: jeano@uwm.edu, Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain I am the AT Coordinator on my campus. I report to the manager of IT, but take direction from our disability services office. AT Coordination is only 1/3 of my job, or at least, it's supposed to be. It really comes out to more than half my job. Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 18, Issue 20 ************************************* From greg at lecshare.com Tue Jul 17 21:16:35 2007 From: greg at lecshare.com (Greg Kraus) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] UPDATE: iTunes U teleconference Agenda In-Reply-To: <20070713174113.ACE6070B0E@smtpgate.email.arizona.edu> References: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF036E28DD@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> <200707111452.l6BEqex9025152@outgoing.mit.edu> <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF036E2929@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> <20070713174113.ACE6070B0E@smtpgate.email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: Hi Dawn, I'm not sure if anyone has responded to you yet. There are two main problems with iTunes and accessibility - the application and the media. The iTunes application on Windows is fairly inaccessible, especially for screen reader users. The Mac version is getting more accessible with Apple's VoiceOver. The media is also inaccessible for many types of disabilities because neither the audio nor video files are captioned within iTunes. You can upload a QuickTime movie with a caption track to iTunes and it will play back just fine within iTunes and QuickTime, but it won't transfer to an iPod. Hope this helps. Greg -- Greg Kraus President LecShare, Inc. 1204 Fairlane Rd. Cary, NC 27511 919.300.7512 (voice) 919.882.1275 (fax) www.lecshare.com On Jul 13, 2007, at 1:42 PM, Dawn Hunziker wrote: > Hi All, > > I just found out that the University of Arizona is planning to > participate in iTunes U. I searched through my ATHEN email > archives for more information so I have a little more understanding > on what's going on but..... > > Since I'm not an expert iTunes user... are the accessibility issues > in both the creation of the podcasts as well as the interface to > search and download the information? > > I'm meeting with the campus podcasting "guru" on Wednesday 7/18 so > any suggestions / input would be much appreciated! > > Thanks all, in advance and have a good weekend! > > Dawn > > At 08:07 AM 7/11/2007, you wrote: >> Content-class: urn:content-classes:message >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7C3CD.2BA8BBAD" >> >> Attendees: >> >> Joe Humbert ? Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis >> Mary Stores ? Indiana University >> Janna Willnauer ? Jackson County Community College >> Jayme Johnson ? High Tech Center California Community Colleges >> Lorna Saiz ? California State Fresno >> Candace Richardson - Indiana University East >> Pratik Patel ? City University of New York (my apologies) >> Patrick Burke ? UCLA >> Lisa Fiedor ? North Carolina State >> Dan Comden ? University of Washington >> Saroj Primlani ? North Carolina State >> Kathleen Cahill - MIT >> >> Joe Humbert >> Assistive Technology Specialist >> Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) >> Office: IT 214E >> Email: johumber@iupui.edu >> Phone: 317-274-4378 >> Cell: 847-431-6545 >> AIM:ATCIUPUI >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > Dawn Hunziker > Assistive Technology Coordinator > > University of Arizona > Disability Resource Center > > 1224 E. Lowell St. > P.O. Box 210095 > Tucson, AZ 85721 > > (520) 626-9409 > (520) 626-5500 (FAX) > > Web Page: http://drc.arizona.edu > hunziker@email.arizona.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Wed Jul 18 12:18:31 2007 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Please help distribute AHG cards at AHEAD Message-ID: <002401c7c970$6e065f60$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Hello All: For those of you at AHEAD, I sent a couple of hundred AHG postcards to Marla. They should arrive today. Please help to distribute these at the conference. If you are presenting, it would be especially helpful to hand them out at your session and talk up the conference. No need to exaggerate the point of being unethical. Just good honest praise. 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It's About People Not Technology 3. Conference Presentations from Conferences on IT and People with Disabilities You can read about these Podcasts and join any of these Podcast feeds at: http://easi.cc/podcasts/ In August and September, EASI is also providing a 4-part Webinar series: Accessible Vodcasts, Making Captions for a Personal Portable Player: Part 1. what are the major accessibility issues in Podcasts and in Vodcasts Part 2. How to manage RSS and Podcast and Vodcast feeds Part 3. Preparing video description and preparing streaming captions Part 4. How to actually do Vodcasts and vector graphic captioning You can read about this series at http://easi.cc/clinic.htm ---------- ---------- ---------- EASI 4-part Webinar Series in August: Creating Accessible Podcasts and Vodcasts http://easi.cc/clinic.htm EASI August Courses: Train the Trainer and Accessible Multimedia http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs CEO EASI http://easi.cc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at htctu.net Thu Jul 19 12:40:45 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (skeegan@htctu.net) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Sacramento State, AT Job Announcement Message-ID: <20070719154045.u5f7v0e40skw080s@sheridan.swishmail.com> For those interested in AT job openings in the Sacramento, CA region... ****** Adaptive Technology Coordinator/Instructor - Job # 07/08-006 High Tech Center Coordinator/Instructor (SSP III, AY), Job No. 07/08-006. FT, Prob/Perm, $3,206/$4,565mo. High Tech Center Coordinator/Instructor for students with disabilities at Sacramento State. Knowledge and work experience addressing the adaptive technology needs of students with disabilities in higher education. Master?s degree in Spec. Ed. Rehab, or certificate in Learning Disabilities/Assistive Technology, and teaching experience (grades 9-16) preferred. Minimum, Bachelor?s degree in related field and equivalent experience working with students with various disabilities (including LD, visual, mobility, deaf, and psych). Job description and application at www.csus.edu/fas/career. Send app to Sacramento State, 6000 J St. Sac Hall, Rm. 173, Sacramento, CA 95819-6032 or FAX to (916) 278-7850. App. deadline Friday, August 3, 2007 by 1:00 p.m. No postmarks accepted. EEO/ADA. From skeegan at htctu.net Thu Jul 19 12:50:29 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (skeegan@htctu.net) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: 2008 CSUN Conference - Call for Papers Announcement Message-ID: <20070719155029.91sfohui00ocg884@sheridan.swishmail.com> For those interested in presenting at the CSUN conference, please see the Call for Proposals below. Sean ****** The Center on Disabilities at California State University, Northridge is pleased to announce that the Call for Papers for the 23rd Annual International Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference is now open and available on-line. The conference will be held March 10 -15, 2008 at the Los Angeles Airport Marriott and Renaissance Montura hotels. Now in its 23rd year, the conference is the largest of its kind in the world focusing on assistive technology and persons with disabilities and attracting an audience in excess of 4,500 persons. The deadline for submittal of proposals is Friday, September 21, 2007. For more information on suggested topics, information about submissions and procedures, and the list of reviewers, please visit our website at http://www.csun.edu/cod/conf/. And if you need personalized assistance, please call 818 ? 677 ? 2578. -------------- next part -------------- The Center on Disabilities at California State University, Northridge is pleased to announce that the Call for Papers for the 23rd Annual International Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference is now open and available on-line. The conference will be held March 10 -15, 2008 at the Los Angeles Airport Marriott and Renaissance Montura hotels. Now in its 23rd year, the conference is the largest of its kind in the world focusing on assistive technology and persons with disabilities and attracting an audience in excess of 4,500 persons. The deadline for submittal of proposals is Friday, September 21, 2007. For more information on suggested topics, information about submissions and procedures, and the list of reviewers, please visit our website at http://www.csun.edu/cod/conf/. And if you need personalized assistance, please call 818 ? 677 ? 2578. Regards, Sandy Plotin Center on Disabilities conference@csun.edu CSUN is committed to protecting your privacy and respecting your choice for contact. If you no longer wish to receive announcements, news and information from the Center on Disabilities regarding the Annual International Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference or ATACP Training, please let us know. Send an email to conference@csun.edu with ?Remove? in the Subject line along with the email address that this message was addressed to, and we will remove your email address from our list. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at kckcc.edu Mon Jul 23 09:32:56 2007 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Vertual Pencil Message-ID: Hi all, I've been asked by a person not on the list about Vertual Pencil. We haven't used it here and I only know one institution that has checked it out. I was wondering if anybody else has used it and what kind of results you've had. This university is looking for some options for a blind student to take algebra. The instructor is the one who is talking with me, which I find encouraging. The institution seems to be willing to purchase the technology, but they just want to have some good input on what may or may not work. I guess one question is can the instructor create the test in Word (or some word processing tool) and pull it into Vertual Pencil or will she have to completely recreate it in VP each time? The student is totally blind, but had sight before. The instructor assumes that since the student lost sight as an adult that he probably knows all the print characters and numbers. She is looking at possibly doing some raised line work as well. Anyway, we're mainly wondering about Vertual Pencil so any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu From fgsmith at vcu.edu Mon Jul 23 13:03:12 2007 From: fgsmith at vcu.edu (Frances G Smith/AC/VCU) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Frances G Smith/AC/VCU is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 07/23/2007 and will not return until 07/30/2007. I will respond to your message when I return. From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Tue Jul 24 07:33:30 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Virtual Pencil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <014301c7cdff$c75a31c0$560e9540$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> It is suitable for up to beginning algebra based on the feedback I have gotten. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:33 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Vertual Pencil Hi all, I've been asked by a person not on the list about Vertual Pencil. We haven't used it here and I only know one institution that has checked it out. I was wondering if anybody else has used it and what kind of results you've had. This university is looking for some options for a blind student to take algebra. The instructor is the one who is talking with me, which I find encouraging. The institution seems to be willing to purchase the technology, but they just want to have some good input on what may or may not work. I guess one question is can the instructor create the test in Word (or some word processing tool) and pull it into Vertual Pencil or will she have to completely recreate it in VP each time? The student is totally blind, but had sight before. The instructor assumes that since the student lost sight as an adult that he probably knows all the print characters and numbers. She is looking at possibly doing some raised line work as well. Anyway, we're mainly wondering about Vertual Pencil so any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From rbeach at kckcc.edu Tue Jul 24 07:56:33 2007 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Virtual Pencil Message-ID: That's kind of what I'm hearing. Thanks for the reply. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com 7/24/2007 9:33 AM >>> It is suitable for up to beginning algebra based on the feedback I have gotten. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:33 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Vertual Pencil Hi all, I've been asked by a person not on the list about Vertual Pencil. We haven't used it here and I only know one institution that has checked it out. I was wondering if anybody else has used it and what kind of results you've had. This university is looking for some options for a blind student to take algebra. The instructor is the one who is talking with me, which I find encouraging. The institution seems to be willing to purchase the technology, but they just want to have some good input on what may or may not work. I guess one question is can the instructor create the test in Word (or some word processing tool) and pull it into Vertual Pencil or will she have to completely recreate it in VP each time? The student is totally blind, but had sight before. The instructor assumes that since the student lost sight as an adult that he probably knows all the print characters and numbers. She is looking at possibly doing some raised line work as well. Anyway, we're mainly wondering about Vertual Pencil so any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by KCKCC's MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From john.gardner at orst.edu Tue Jul 24 08:37:13 2007 From: john.gardner at orst.edu (John Gardner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Virtual Pencil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601c7ce08$a64c58b0$6468a8c0@johnz> Hello Robert. If you are looking for something that will permit reading/writing math at the level of algebra or highr, and if your student is comfortable using beta software, you might have a look at ChattyInfty linked from: http://www.inftyproject.org/ It has a bit of a learning curve but is not bad. I'd be happy to help with some tips. This application provides audio and on line braille, with the math represented in Latex - other math braille will be coming later. John -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil That's kind of what I'm hearing. Thanks for the reply. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com 7/24/2007 9:33 AM >>> It is suitable for up to beginning algebra based on the feedback I have gotten. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:33 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Vertual Pencil Hi all, I've been asked by a person not on the list about Vertual Pencil. We haven't used it here and I only know one institution that has checked it out. I was wondering if anybody else has used it and what kind of results you've had. This university is looking for some options for a blind student to take algebra. The instructor is the one who is talking with me, which I find encouraging. The institution seems to be willing to purchase the technology, but they just want to have some good input on what may or may not work. I guess one question is can the instructor create the test in Word (or some word processing tool) and pull it into Vertual Pencil or will she have to completely recreate it in VP each time? The student is totally blind, but had sight before. The instructor assumes that since the student lost sight as an adult that he probably knows all the print characters and numbers. She is looking at possibly doing some raised line work as well. Anyway, we're mainly wondering about Vertual Pencil so any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by KCKCC's MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From terrih at asu.edu Tue Jul 24 09:22:22 2007 From: terrih at asu.edu (Terri Hedgpeth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Virtual Pencil In-Reply-To: <000601c7ce08$a64c58b0$6468a8c0@johnz> Message-ID: <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC057382E2@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Robert, This is a great recommendation, and it comes from someone who really knows the ins and outs of access technology for postsecondary math. I vote for this one. Dr. Terri Hedgpeth Academic Research Professional CUbiC #376, iCare (480) 727-8133 V (480) 965-1885 Fax CUbiC.asu.edu http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:37 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil Hello Robert. If you are looking for something that will permit reading/writing math at the level of algebra or highr, and if your student is comfortable using beta software, you might have a look at ChattyInfty linked from: http://www.inftyproject.org/ It has a bit of a learning curve but is not bad. I'd be happy to help with some tips. This application provides audio and on line braille, with the math represented in Latex - other math braille will be coming later. John -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil That's kind of what I'm hearing. Thanks for the reply. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com 7/24/2007 9:33 AM >>> It is suitable for up to beginning algebra based on the feedback I have gotten. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:33 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Vertual Pencil Hi all, I've been asked by a person not on the list about Vertual Pencil. We haven't used it here and I only know one institution that has checked it out. I was wondering if anybody else has used it and what kind of results you've had. This university is looking for some options for a blind student to take algebra. The instructor is the one who is talking with me, which I find encouraging. The institution seems to be willing to purchase the technology, but they just want to have some good input on what may or may not work. I guess one question is can the instructor create the test in Word (or some word processing tool) and pull it into Vertual Pencil or will she have to completely recreate it in VP each time? The student is totally blind, but had sight before. The instructor assumes that since the student lost sight as an adult that he probably knows all the print characters and numbers. She is looking at possibly doing some raised line work as well. Anyway, we're mainly wondering about Vertual Pencil so any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by KCKCC's MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From skeegan at htctu.net Tue Jul 24 10:30:33 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Vertual Pencil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801c7ce18$575a6f70$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hi Robert, I have played a bit with the Algebra version of Virtual Pencil - nothing scientific, just playing around to see what it can do. Something to keep in mind is the software requirements; Virtual Pencil Algebra requires JAWS for the speech part of the interface (as of right now). You might be able to use Connect Outloud, but I have never had any positive experiences with that application. After playing a bit with Virtual Pencil Algebra, it seems to do a good job of communicating the structure of an equation - in other words, you can move through individual parts of the equation or have the equation read back to you as a whole. For a student who is new to polynomials, fractions, etc. as well as how the equations are expressed visually, I think it does a good job of controlling how the student interacts with the equation. It also does a decent job of allowing a student to input equations that "look" correct to a sighted user. It would probably be a good start for a student who is working with polynomials, fractions, etc., but would not be a great application for a student taking higher level math. If the student is going to be taking higher level math, then I think you are looking at WinTriangle as a possible option (Chatty Infty looks interesting as well). Take care, sean From gdietrich at htctu.net Tue Jul 24 10:56:05 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Vertual Pencil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004901c7ce1b$e8920130$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hi Robert! One of my biggest complaints about Virtual Pencil is that it does not allow one to import equations from other math creation program and it is nonintuitive for setting up the equations. I recommend it in some cases for non-technical students to do their own work, but it is not friendly for the alternate media specialist. If the student is at all technical, I would look into the solutions Sean suggests--much easier to create the equations for. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 9:33 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Vertual Pencil Hi all, I've been asked by a person not on the list about Vertual Pencil. We haven't used it here and I only know one institution that has checked it out. I was wondering if anybody else has used it and what kind of results you've had. This university is looking for some options for a blind student to take algebra. The instructor is the one who is talking with me, which I find encouraging. The institution seems to be willing to purchase the technology, but they just want to have some good input on what may or may not work. I guess one question is can the instructor create the test in Word (or some word processing tool) and pull it into Vertual Pencil or will she have to completely recreate it in VP each time? The student is totally blind, but had sight before. The instructor assumes that since the student lost sight as an adult that he probably knows all the print characters and numbers. She is looking at possibly doing some raised line work as well. Anyway, we're mainly wondering about Vertual Pencil so any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Tue Jul 24 11:59:27 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update Message-ID: <005301c7ce24$c2489670$46d9c350$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> I have just posted a major update to the AHEAD E-Text website. Your feedback would be greatly appreciated. http://ahead.org/etext/etext_main.htm Ron ********************************************************************* Ron Stewart Vice President for Operations Dolphin Computer Access Inc. 231 Clarksville RD Suite 3 Princeton Junction, NJ 08550 Direct: 609 803-2174 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Sales (toll free): 866 797-5921 Support: 866 797-5921 Fax: 609 799-0475 ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com http://www.dolphinusa.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Tue Jul 24 12:16:10 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] Virtual Pencil In-Reply-To: <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC057382E2@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> References: <000601c7ce08$a64c58b0$6468a8c0@johnz> <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC057382E2@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <008501c7ce27$17ee7b60$47cb7220$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> I guess the rest of us are just chopped liver then :-) John, Is ChattyInfty going to remain free? Also Wintriangle development is still going on so don't count it out as a solution as well, but it also has a fairly steep learning curve. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Terri Hedgpeth Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:22 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil Robert, This is a great recommendation, and it comes from someone who really knows the ins and outs of access technology for postsecondary math. I vote for this one. Dr. Terri Hedgpeth Academic Research Professional CUbiC #376, iCare (480) 727-8133 V (480) 965-1885 Fax CUbiC.asu.edu http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:37 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil Hello Robert. If you are looking for something that will permit reading/writing math at the level of algebra or highr, and if your student is comfortable using beta software, you might have a look at ChattyInfty linked from: http://www.inftyproject.org/ It has a bit of a learning curve but is not bad. I'd be happy to help with some tips. This application provides audio and on line braille, with the math represented in Latex - other math braille will be coming later. John -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil That's kind of what I'm hearing. Thanks for the reply. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com 7/24/2007 9:33 AM >>> It is suitable for up to beginning algebra based on the feedback I have gotten. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:33 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Vertual Pencil Hi all, I've been asked by a person not on the list about Vertual Pencil. We haven't used it here and I only know one institution that has checked it out. I was wondering if anybody else has used it and what kind of results you've had. This university is looking for some options for a blind student to take algebra. The instructor is the one who is talking with me, which I find encouraging. The institution seems to be willing to purchase the technology, but they just want to have some good input on what may or may not work. I guess one question is can the instructor create the test in Word (or some word processing tool) and pull it into Vertual Pencil or will she have to completely recreate it in VP each time? The student is totally blind, but had sight before. The instructor assumes that since the student lost sight as an adult that he probably knows all the print characters and numbers. She is looking at possibly doing some raised line work as well. Anyway, we're mainly wondering about Vertual Pencil so any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by KCKCC's MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From FosterS at sou.edu Tue Jul 24 12:34:30 2007 From: FosterS at sou.edu (Shawn Foster) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update In-Reply-To: <005301c7ce24$c2489670$46d9c350$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <005301c7ce24$c2489670$46d9c350$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <46A5F1D7.82C6.005A.0@sou.edu> Wow, wish I'd been able to make it to AHEAD this year... would have liked to have been there for the AAP presentation! Don't know if it's a "Promising Practice" or not, but Oregon passed an Accessible Postsecondary Instructional Materials law, effective July 1, 2007. http://landru.leg.state.or.us/07reg/measures/sb0200.dir/sb0261.en.html I've got a couple of concerns about it, but overall seems to be a step in the right direction. No enforcement, big surprise. Shawn Foster Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Services for Students Southern Oregon University email: fosters@sou.edu phone: (541)552-6213 Office hours: 8-2, M-F >>> On 7/24/2007 at 11:59 AM, in message <005301c7ce24$c2489670$46d9c350$@stewart@dolphinusa.com>, "Ron Stewart" wrote: I have just posted a major update totheAHEAD E-Text website. Your feedbackwouldbe greatly appreciated. http://ahead.org/etext/etext_main.htm Ron ********************************************************************* Ron Stewart Vice President for Operations Dolphin Computer Access Inc. 231 Clarksville RD Suite 3 Princeton Junction, NJ 08550 Direct: 609 803-2174 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Sales (toll free): 866 797-5921 Support: 866 797-5921 Fax: 609 799-0475 ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com http://www.dolphinusa.com ( http://www.dolphinusa.com/ ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Tue Jul 24 12:39:26 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update In-Reply-To: <46A5F1D7.82C6.005A.0@sou.edu> References: <005301c7ce24$c2489670$46d9c350$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <46A5F1D7.82C6.005A.0@sou.edu> Message-ID: <009301c7ce2a$597003d0$0c500b70$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Thanks Shawn, Given that Higher Ed in Oregon was not involved in the process at all I have some major concerns as well, but unlike most of the other efforts in this area it does point to the AFSI as a source for developing the regulations. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Foster Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:35 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update Wow, wish I'd been able to make it to AHEAD this year... would have liked to have been there for the AAP presentation! Don't know if it's a "Promising Practice" or not, but Oregon passed an Accessible Postsecondary Instructional Materials law, effective July 1, 2007. http://landru.leg.state.or.us/07reg/measures/sb0200.dir/sb0261.en.html I've got a couple of concerns about it, but overall seems to be a step in the right direction. No enforcement, big surprise. Shawn Foster Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Services for Students Southern Oregon University email: fosters@sou.edu phone: (541)552-6213 Office hours: 8-2, M-F >>> On 7/24/2007 at 11:59 AM, in message <005301c7ce24$c2489670$46d9c350$@stewart@dolphinusa.com>, "Ron Stewart" wrote: I have just posted a major update to the AHEAD E-Text website. Your feedback would be greatly appreciated. http://ahead.org/etext/etext_main.htm Ron ********************************************************************* Ron Stewart Vice President for Operations Dolphin Computer Access Inc. 231 Clarksville RD Suite 3 Princeton Junction, NJ 08550 Direct: 609 803-2174 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Sales (toll free): 866 797-5921 Support: 866 797-5921 Fax: 609 799-0475 ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com http://www.dolphinusa.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.gardner at orst.edu Tue Jul 24 15:15:20 2007 From: john.gardner at orst.edu (John Gardner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] Virtual Pencil In-Reply-To: <008501c7ce27$17ee7b60$47cb7220$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <000601c7ce08$a64c58b0$6468a8c0@johnz><6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC057382E2@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> <008501c7ce27$17ee7b60$47cb7220$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <000901c7ce40$215bed90$a11919ac@johnz> Hi Ron. ChattyInfty will not be free forever, but I don't know what kind of price they'll ask. Presently it has relatively limited input capabilities and somewhat better output. It can input and output the native Infty IML format and was originally made to access the information from the Infty Reader, which can OCR scanned input and PDF and does a pretty good job on professional documents but not quite so well on cute stuff common in US K-12. ChattyInfty seems to output Latex decently, but it is pretty simple Latex. It also outputs XHTML/MathML readable with any web browser that can handle MathML. ChattyInfty also shows the math in standard format on screen, which is really its major advantage over WinTriangle. But then WinTriangle is free. How are its input/output abilities today? Last time I tried it, there were still problems with IO of any standard mainstream format. Do you have more recent info? Be well. John -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:16 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil I guess the rest of us are just chopped liver then :-) John, Is ChattyInfty going to remain free? Also Wintriangle development is still going on so don't count it out as a solution as well, but it also has a fairly steep learning curve. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Terri Hedgpeth Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:22 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil Robert, This is a great recommendation, and it comes from someone who really knows the ins and outs of access technology for postsecondary math. I vote for this one. Dr. Terri Hedgpeth Academic Research Professional CUbiC #376, iCare (480) 727-8133 V (480) 965-1885 Fax CUbiC.asu.edu http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:37 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil Hello Robert. If you are looking for something that will permit reading/writing math at the level of algebra or highr, and if your student is comfortable using beta software, you might have a look at ChattyInfty linked from: http://www.inftyproject.org/ It has a bit of a learning curve but is not bad. I'd be happy to help with some tips. This application provides audio and on line braille, with the math represented in Latex - other math braille will be coming later. John -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil That's kind of what I'm hearing. Thanks for the reply. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com 7/24/2007 9:33 AM >>> It is suitable for up to beginning algebra based on the feedback I have gotten. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:33 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Vertual Pencil Hi all, I've been asked by a person not on the list about Vertual Pencil. We haven't used it here and I only know one institution that has checked it out. I was wondering if anybody else has used it and what kind of results you've had. This university is looking for some options for a blind student to take algebra. The instructor is the one who is talking with me, which I find encouraging. The institution seems to be willing to purchase the technology, but they just want to have some good input on what may or may not work. I guess one question is can the instructor create the test in Word (or some word processing tool) and pull it into Vertual Pencil or will she have to completely recreate it in VP each time? The student is totally blind, but had sight before. The instructor assumes that since the student lost sight as an adult that he probably knows all the print characters and numbers. She is looking at possibly doing some raised line work as well. Anyway, we're mainly wondering about Vertual Pencil so any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by KCKCC's MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From djbrky at bu.edu Wed Jul 25 06:56:03 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: seeking presenter recommendations for two sigs Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604026056@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Of interest - especially if you or someone you know is in the Northeast. ________________________________ From: Eileen McMahon [mailto:Eileen.Mcmahon@umb.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:38 AM To: NERCOMP SIG Master Subject: seeking presenter recommendations for two sigs Hi Sig Masters, I'm looking for presenters for two sigs: A total of three experienced instructional designers to speak at "Learning From Video Games: Designing Digital Curriculum" scheduled for Oct. 1st SIG in Southbridge. Each designer will be asked to analyze an assigned video or computer game title in advance of the meeting and present the structural elements and features that could be incorporated in digital curriculum design in a panel session. If you know of an instructional designer who would be interested in participating, please send me their name and e-mail address and I will contact them directly. Presenters for "Educational Mashups2" SIG scheduled for April 28th at the New England Center in Durham, NH. I'm looking for a variety of mashups content using WEB 2.0 tools that can be integrated into an educational curriculum. If you know of someone who has created educational mashups who might be interested in presenting at this event please let me know. Alternatively if you know of someone who might be interested in creating a cool educational Mmashup too present at this Sig also please e-mail me (Eileen.mcmahon@umb.edu) or call me at 617-287-3998 Thank you in advance for your help with this! -Eileen McMahon Eileen McMahon, Ed. M Educational Technologies U. Mass. Boston eileen.mcmahon@umb.edu --- You are currently subscribed to sigmaster as: djbrky@bu.edu. To unsubscribe, please send a blank email to leave-124322-43280S@listserver.nercomp.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djbrky at bu.edu Wed Jul 25 09:25:40 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Solutions group Report from AHEAD Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116040B9192@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> http://athenpro.blogspot.com/2007/07/ahead-e-text-solutions-group-at-ahe ad.html I have recently returned from the AHEAD 2007 conference and rather than confront the backlog of messages, student files, eMails, and other flotsam awash upon my workspace I shall instead attempt to make sense of my notes from the conference and update my readers on the doings of the AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group. Caution - these notes are incomplete and are fullest where my interests were perked. The E-Text Solutions Group website has been updated with much good information and its membership is available to answer questions and such. I also recommend taking a look at the independent website AltFormat.com . There were two meetings of the group during the conference. The first was a semi-informal Q&A session on Thursday evening. Led by Chairman Ron Stewart , this public forum was designed to be an "informative discussion to learn about the continuing work of AHEAD to foster the availability of e-texts for all college students." The second meeting took place the following morning and was a more formal "informative session on current activities" designed to provide "up-to-date developments in the provision of educational materials in accessible formats". Both were very well attended and the following notes are a combination culled from both meetings. Rick Bowes, representing the AAP (Association of American Publishers ) and the AFSI (Alternate Format Solutions Initiative ), provided an update on the cooperative agreement that is being developed between the major educational publishers in partnership with the AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group. The slides from Rick's presentation in both PowerPoint and Outline Format are available on the E-Text Solutions Group webpage . Much good information is also available on the AAP Higher Education Accessibility webpage . Rick updated the audience to a degree but could not say much beyond what he reported at the CSUN conference earlier in the year. This is actually good news in that the publishers are taking his work seriously and moving forward. Bad news he could have shared - good news needs to be kept under wraps for the time being as the publishers discuss, deliberate and design their next moves. Rick did go into a brief overview of NIMAS /NIMAC for those who were unfamiliar with them and noted that as worthy as this legislation is, the implementation has not been without problems. While NIMAS is being sorted out, Higher Education must not allow itself to become complacent to the idea that there will soon be similar laws for us and we must learn from mistakes made in the implementation of NIMAS and not make the same. NIMAS has had a slow-go since the green light of December 3, 2006 and as of mid-July 2007 there are less than 400 textbook file sets in the NIMAC repository with a total library of approx. 1,100 file sets - the majority being supplemental materials. This is out of a potential inventory of a quarter of a million titles. Rick pointed out that a NIMAS File Set is not simply a single document and it has become apparent to both the NIMAC and the publishers that there is as much interest in the supplemental materials associated with the textbooks as there is with the textbooks themselves. This has tempered the publishers enthusiasm a bit as they try to figure out how to provide materials that are not necessarily specified under the law but which are none-the-less integral to the academic mission. As for output, so far there have less than 300 downloads by the educational systems of nine (9) states. Much of this has to do with the need for individual states to decide how they are going to confront NIMAS and incorporate it into their state education statutes. In essence, many Attorney Generals and Departments of Education around the country are stymied and until they figure out what to do and move forward there could be a log-jam effect that has a negative on both postsecondary operations and efforts. For example, Texas recently dodged a bullet when legislation was introduced that would have directed publishers to only provide digital materials in ASCii format . A knee-jerk reaction would be to question the technical know how of the Texas legislation [a'la the grand Senator from Alaska ], but a closer look reveals that this is perhaps simply lazy continuation of previous Braille legislation (circa 2001) that calls for "ASCII, ICADD 22 or SGML for Windows or DOS, or agreed format produced upon 3.5" DDHD diskette, 5.25" Syquest, or other agreed on media." Unfortunately lawmakers in Texas are not alone in their inability to keep up with evolving technology. Fortunately the right lobby intervened and the wording was changed to something more user-friendly and appropriate. The Texas side-swipe points out a general misunderstanding in both publishing and legislation that a mandatory one-size-fits-all solution is perfectly applicable and acceptable. As Rick noted throughout both sessions, the publishers want to do what is right, but simply do not know how. Actually, it is not proper to white-wash the publishers - perhaps some numbers will clarify. According to Rick, in terms of books used in education, there are some 4,600 publishing organizations in the United States producing in excess of 250,000 titles annually. These are not always 'publishers' per se and the majority are small, independent, affiliated with professional organizations or university presses and more than 50% are non-profit entities. As one of the panelist pointed out - there is no "they" when referring to publishers. In fact, the AAP Higher Education group includes a half-dozen of the most prominent textbook publishers who produce 70% to 80% of the textbooks in use today. These publishers 'get it' in terms of what they should do and must do both morally and under the law. Unfortunately, until the dust settles on NIMAS and similar efforts take hold for Higher Education their hands and efforts are tied. The big publishers have a bottom line to look out for and cannot risk moving in a direction that may turn into an unprofitable dead-end. The small publishers are in worse straits as many of them run in the red and simply do not have the resources or know-how to create accessible formats. Akin to the AHEAD E-Text Institute trainings for the 3,500+ colleges and universities in the U.S., Ron Stewart notes that there should be similar trainings for the 4,600+ organizations that publish. One point that kept coming across through both sessions was the need for flexibility in formats. This cannot be a one-size-fits-all proposition as that will not work for any of the participants (publishers, educators, and especially students). The key to NIMAS is supposed to be its flexibility in that the source files are supposed to be able to be easily converted to a variety of outputs (DAISY, Braille, variable print, etc.) but creating the source files that go into the NIMAC seem to be causing a bit of a headache for those that publish. Time in both sessions was devoted to the rights and permissions process as regards converting textbooks in alternate formats. Though worthy of attention, the Publishers Look-Up Service sponsored by the AAP is only an interim step and only contains information on less than a quarter of publishing entities. Also throughout both meetings there was information and discussion on a variety of topics, including activities of the E-Text Solution Group, basics of NIMAS/NIMAC, current and pending legal cases and OCR letters , international interests , lessons from K-12 and more. Unfortunately my notetaking skills ain't what they used to be and I was unable to keep up with the conversation. Perhaps in the future these sessions can be recorded for pod/vodcasting. Anyway - check the PPT/RTF of Rick's presentation as it has a lot of good information. Other items Rick presented include the AFSI vision of a national portal for digital formats of materials - akin to a NIMAC for higher ed, improving and streamlining rights and permissions procedures under copyright, file sharing beyond immediate state systems and created a system for trusted transactions (example Froogle ) along with a federated search to improve the process of locating materials, creating a virtual repository allowing publishers and others to physically control their content, directed and secure distribution points and more. All of this is covered in his slides. The meat of the meetings - and what most people came to hear - was Rick's report on the AFSI initiative. As he put it, he could not divulge too much but at present the publishers involved are "gnawing on the report" that was present in May of this year. On the Tuesday of the conference (July 17) the AAP voted to move from a research phase to developing a plan of action. According to Rick - the Executive Committee has tasked a select subcommittee to determine how publishers working with AHEAD and its members may better serve the needs of students with print disabilities. Over the next 120 days specific action plans will be formulated alongside evaluation process and financial requirements. Yes -- money is an issue and needs to be openly acknowledged. As anyone who has developed an E-Text production facility can attest it takes money to put the technology, people and processes into place. Extend this to a for-profit corporate entity putting out a lot of product and needing to show a profit - or for that matter a non-profit that operates in the red and daily fights for its very existence - and you get an idea of one reason why things are perhaps not moving along as swiftly as we seem to think they should. As regards the idea of a centralized entity, there will be costs associated with the development as well as the maintenance at least to a point where it can maintain self sustainability (if ever). I know there is a lot of information here and admit is is a bit jumbled and incomplete. If anyone else out there has notes from the meetings and would like to share their take on the things please drop me a line. I would be remiss if i did not thank Rick, Ron and all the members of the AHEAD E-Text Solutions group for all of their efforts and communication. -- Posted By D. Berkowitz to Access Technologists Higher Education Network at 7/25/2007 07:18:00 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marks at mso.umt.edu Wed Jul 25 10:55:39 2007 From: marks at mso.umt.edu (Marks, Jim) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update In-Reply-To: <009301c7ce2a$597003d0$0c500b70$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <005301c7ce24$c2489670$46d9c350$@stewart@dolphinusa.com><46A5F1D7.82C6.005A.0@sou.edu> <009301c7ce2a$597003d0$0c500b70$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C6E@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> Was the NFB of Oregon behind the adoption of the Oregon law? The NFB's position is that state adoption of post-secondary education textbook legislation helps motivate a national solution. It's a familiar pattern since this is exactly what led to NIMAS and NIMAC in IDEA 2004. The NFB successfully managed to get about 40 states to adopt legislation that called on publishers to provide electronic versions of their K-12 textbooks for blind and visually impaired children. The state laws are known as Braille Bills, and they included other features of benefit to blind and visually impaired children. From the NFB advocacy perspective, even bad state laws are helpful. The ultimate prize here is national legislation, and the NFB is well on its way. Don't know about the rest of you, but I find this political process very fascinating. Jim Marks Director of Disability Services University of Montana jim.marks@umontana.edu http://www.umt.edu/dss/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbailey at uoregon.edu Wed Jul 25 11:08:25 2007 From: jbailey at uoregon.edu (James Bailey) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update In-Reply-To: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C6E@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> References: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C6E@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> Message-ID: <1185386905.358791.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> The main force behind it is Ted Wenk from the Oregon Advocacy Center. I and a few other Oraheaders have a meeting with him in mid-August to learn more about the bill. -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:55:39 -0600, "Marks, Jim" wrote: > > Was the NFB of Oregon behind the adoption of the Oregon law? The NFB's position is that state adoption of post-secondary education textbook legislation helps motivate a national solution. It's a familiar pattern since this is exactly what led to NIMAS and NIMAC in IDEA 2004. The NFB successfully managed to get about 40 states to adopt legislation that called on publishers to provide electronic versions of their K-12 textbooks for blind and visually impaired children. The state laws are known as Braille Bills, and they included other features of benefit to blind and visually impaired children. From the NFB advocacy perspective, even bad state laws are helpful. The ultimate prize here is national legislation, and the NFB is well on its way. Don't know about the rest of you, but I find this political process very fascinating. > > > > Jim Marks > Director of Disability Services > University of Montana > jim.marks@umontana.edu > http://www.umt.edu/dss/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Wed Jul 25 11:40:33 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update In-Reply-To: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C6E@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> References: <005301c7ce24$c2489670$46d9c350$@stewart@dolphinusa.com><46A5F1D7.82C6.005A.0@sou.edu> <009301c7ce2a$597003d0$0c500b70$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C6E@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> Message-ID: <008a01c7ceeb$4dca52d0$e95ef870$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> I think the NFB taking credit for this is somewhat disingenuous, they where one of several parties at the table. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Marks, Jim Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 1:56 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update Was the NFB of Oregon behind the adoption of the Oregon law? The NFB's position is that state adoption of post-secondary education textbook legislation helps motivate a national solution. It's a familiar pattern since this is exactly what led to NIMAS and NIMAC in IDEA 2004. The NFB successfully managed to get about 40 states to adopt legislation that called on publishers to provide electronic versions of their K-12 textbooks for blind and visually impaired children. The state laws are known as Braille Bills, and they included other features of benefit to blind and visually impaired children. From the NFB advocacy perspective, even bad state laws are helpful. The ultimate prize here is national legislation, and the NFB is well on its way. Don't know about the rest of you, but I find this political process very fascinating. Jim Marks Director of Disability Services University of Montana jim.marks@umontana.edu http://www.umt.edu/dss/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Wed Jul 25 11:40:33 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update In-Reply-To: <1185386905.358791.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> References: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C6E@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> <1185386905.358791.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> Message-ID: <008f01c7ceeb$4de49190$e9adb4b0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> I think the Texas bill is a good example of why we do not want state based legislation to happen. The NFB's lack of any national corrdination are resulting in a direct negative impact on the achievement of a national cooperative solution. I think at you look at the issue of state based etext laws you also need to look at the impact of a court challenge on these laws, and I am of the opinion they will then fall like a house of cards setting us all back in our work at least a decade.. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of James Bailey Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:08 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update The main force behind it is Ted Wenk from the Oregon Advocacy Center. I and a few other Oraheaders have a meeting with him in mid-August to learn more about the bill. -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:55:39 -0600, "Marks, Jim" wrote: > > Was the NFB of Oregon behind the adoption of the Oregon law? The NFB's position is that state adoption of post-secondary education textbook legislation helps motivate a national solution. It's a familiar pattern since this is exactly what led to NIMAS and NIMAC in IDEA 2004. The NFB successfully managed to get about 40 states to adopt legislation that called on publishers to provide electronic versions of their K-12 textbooks for blind and visually impaired children. The state laws are known as Braille Bills, and they included other features of benefit to blind and visually impaired children. From the NFB advocacy perspective, even bad state laws are helpful. The ultimate prize here is national legislation, and the NFB is well on its way. Don't know about the rest of you, but I find this political process very fascinating. > > > > Jim Marks > Director of Disability Services > University of Montana > jim.marks@umontana.edu > http://www.umt.edu/dss/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From pratikp1 at gmail.com Wed Jul 25 11:56:02 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update In-Reply-To: <008f01c7ceeb$4de49190$e9adb4b0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C6E@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> <1185386905.358791.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> <008f01c7ceeb$4de49190$e9adb4b0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <017d01c7ceed$72fcf560$58f6e020$@com> And NFB's current insistence on having a textonly file as a default is also a significant hurdle toward a national solution. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:41 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update I think the Texas bill is a good example of why we do not want state based legislation to happen. The NFB's lack of any national corrdination are resulting in a direct negative impact on the achievement of a national cooperative solution. I think at you look at the issue of state based etext laws you also need to look at the impact of a court challenge on these laws, and I am of the opinion they will then fall like a house of cards setting us all back in our work at least a decade.. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of James Bailey Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:08 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update The main force behind it is Ted Wenk from the Oregon Advocacy Center. I and a few other Oraheaders have a meeting with him in mid-August to learn more about the bill. -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:55:39 -0600, "Marks, Jim" wrote: > > Was the NFB of Oregon behind the adoption of the Oregon law? The NFB's position is that state adoption of post-secondary education textbook legislation helps motivate a national solution. It's a familiar pattern since this is exactly what led to NIMAS and NIMAC in IDEA 2004. The NFB successfully managed to get about 40 states to adopt legislation that called on publishers to provide electronic versions of their K-12 textbooks for blind and visually impaired children. The state laws are known as Braille Bills, and they included other features of benefit to blind and visually impaired children. From the NFB advocacy perspective, even bad state laws are helpful. The ultimate prize here is national legislation, and the NFB is well on its way. Don't know about the rest of you, but I find this political process very fascinating. > > > > Jim Marks > Director of Disability Services > University of Montana > jim.marks@umontana.edu > http://www.umt.edu/dss/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From pratikp1 at gmail.com Wed Jul 25 11:56:58 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update In-Reply-To: <008f01c7ceeb$4de49190$e9adb4b0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C6E@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> <1185386905.358791.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> <008f01c7ceeb$4de49190$e9adb4b0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <017e01c7ceed$94819600$bd84c200$@com> Besides, it's not only about blind and visually impaired "braille" users. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:41 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update I think the Texas bill is a good example of why we do not want state based legislation to happen. The NFB's lack of any national corrdination are resulting in a direct negative impact on the achievement of a national cooperative solution. I think at you look at the issue of state based etext laws you also need to look at the impact of a court challenge on these laws, and I am of the opinion they will then fall like a house of cards setting us all back in our work at least a decade.. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of James Bailey Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:08 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update The main force behind it is Ted Wenk from the Oregon Advocacy Center. I and a few other Oraheaders have a meeting with him in mid-August to learn more about the bill. -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:55:39 -0600, "Marks, Jim" wrote: > > Was the NFB of Oregon behind the adoption of the Oregon law? The NFB's position is that state adoption of post-secondary education textbook legislation helps motivate a national solution. It's a familiar pattern since this is exactly what led to NIMAS and NIMAC in IDEA 2004. The NFB successfully managed to get about 40 states to adopt legislation that called on publishers to provide electronic versions of their K-12 textbooks for blind and visually impaired children. The state laws are known as Braille Bills, and they included other features of benefit to blind and visually impaired children. From the NFB advocacy perspective, even bad state laws are helpful. The ultimate prize here is national legislation, and the NFB is well on its way. Don't know about the rest of you, but I find this political process very fascinating. > > > > Jim Marks > Director of Disability Services > University of Montana > jim.marks@umontana.edu > http://www.umt.edu/dss/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From marks at mso.umt.edu Wed Jul 25 12:54:04 2007 From: marks at mso.umt.edu (Marks, Jim) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update In-Reply-To: <008a01c7ceeb$4dca52d0$e95ef870$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <005301c7ce24$c2489670$46d9c350$@stewart@dolphinusa.com><46A5F1D7.82C6.005A.0@sou.edu> <009301c7ce2a$597003d0$0c500b70$@stewart@dolphinusa.com><14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C6E@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> <008a01c7ceeb$4dca52d0$e95ef870$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C75@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> The NFB would not take sole credit for the adoption of NIMAS or NIMAC because there were so many groups and individuals involved. But there would be no opportunity for others to join the effort if the NFB had not started pushing its state Braille bills 20 years ago. A national solution follows the state adoptions, and I think this pattern is being repeated for higher education just like it happened in K-12. In the case of higher education, though, there are lots and lots of groups and individuals other than the NFB involved from the outset. For instance, it looks like the NFB had little to do with the Oregon law. Sure makes for interesting times when there are so many cooks doing their thing. Wouldn't have it any other way, though. Jim Marks Director of Disability Services University of Montana jim.marks@umontana.edu http://www.umt.edu/dss/ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:41 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update I think the NFB taking credit for this is somewhat disingenuous, they where one of several parties at the table. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marks at mso.umt.edu Wed Jul 25 13:12:48 2007 From: marks at mso.umt.edu (Marks, Jim) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update In-Reply-To: <008f01c7ceeb$4de49190$e9adb4b0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C6E@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu><1185386905.358791.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> <008f01c7ceeb$4de49190$e9adb4b0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C76@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> When the people who must have the access clamor for the access, the access will eventually arrive. It will not be neat, pretty, or kind, but that is the nature of politics and advocacy. The state laws may be challenged, or, if history is to repeat itself, the abundance of state laws will be so great that the opposition will have to join the effort. It's like the cork is out of the bottle, and people have to cooperate to find something that works for such diverse interests. Can anyone really imagine taking books away from people with print disabilities? We've reached a different level of understanding, and its unlikely any setback will be permanent. All this said, I really like the collaborative approach that AHEAD is pursuing. We are not going after state legislation, and we are trying to find ways to work with publishers to serve students well while balancing property rights. It's right for us, but it is not right for everyone. I also like the NFB approach. The NFB has a clear sense of purpose and the machinery to affect change. The practice of going after state laws to motivate a national solution is one that works. The NFB will collaborate when its suits the organization's agenda, and it will go its own way when it must. I can even appreciate the views of publishers. Publishers should never be ripped off, and it's vital that we let individuals and corporations make money from their products. Thank goodness there are many voices involved because it is the diversity that will help us reach a more just world. Jim Marks Director of Disability Services University of Montana jim.marks@umontana.edu http://www.umt.edu/dss/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:41 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update I think the Texas bill is a good example of why we do not want state based legislation to happen. The NFB's lack of any national corrdination are resulting in a direct negative impact on the achievement of a national cooperative solution. I think at you look at the issue of state based etext laws you also need to look at the impact of a court challenge on these laws, and I am of the opinion they will then fall like a house of cards setting us all back in our work at least a decade.. From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Wed Jul 25 13:38:15 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update In-Reply-To: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C76@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> References: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C6E@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu><1185386905.358791.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> <008f01c7ceeb$4de49190$e9adb4b0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C76@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> Message-ID: <010001c7cefb$ba5208c0$2ef61a40$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> I think the lesson for me at that point is if the various communities of print disabled folks band together to work for a common solution to their issues of access then a more wholistic solution would in all likeliness result. As long as it is solely the NFB and other blindness related organizations that are pushing for change then the result will be laws that benefit those groups to the detriment of the others. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Marks, Jim Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:13 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update When the people who must have the access clamor for the access, the access will eventually arrive. It will not be neat, pretty, or kind, but that is the nature of politics and advocacy. The state laws may be challenged, or, if history is to repeat itself, the abundance of state laws will be so great that the opposition will have to join the effort. It's like the cork is out of the bottle, and people have to cooperate to find something that works for such diverse interests. Can anyone really imagine taking books away from people with print disabilities? We've reached a different level of understanding, and its unlikely any setback will be permanent. All this said, I really like the collaborative approach that AHEAD is pursuing. We are not going after state legislation, and we are trying to find ways to work with publishers to serve students well while balancing property rights. It's right for us, but it is not right for everyone. I also like the NFB approach. The NFB has a clear sense of purpose and the machinery to affect change. The practice of going after state laws to motivate a national solution is one that works. The NFB will collaborate when its suits the organization's agenda, and it will go its own way when it must. I can even appreciate the views of publishers. Publishers should never be ripped off, and it's vital that we let individuals and corporations make money from their products. Thank goodness there are many voices involved because it is the diversity that will help us reach a more just world. Jim Marks Director of Disability Services University of Montana jim.marks@umontana.edu http://www.umt.edu/dss/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:41 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update I think the Texas bill is a good example of why we do not want state based legislation to happen. The NFB's lack of any national corrdination are resulting in a direct negative impact on the achievement of a national cooperative solution. I think at you look at the issue of state based etext laws you also need to look at the impact of a court challenge on these laws, and I am of the opinion they will then fall like a house of cards setting us all back in our work at least a decade.. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From obriemic at hvcc.edu Thu Jul 26 07:03:19 2007 From: obriemic at hvcc.edu (Michael O'Brien) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update In-Reply-To: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C76@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> Message-ID: <200707261403.AHS83357@hvcc.edu> The NLS program began, only after a number of state programs were started, and it was realized a national solution for providing library service to the blind, (the only group entitled to it when it was established), made more sense. Mike -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Marks, Jim Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:13 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update When the people who must have the access clamor for the access, the access will eventually arrive. It will not be neat, pretty, or kind, but that is the nature of politics and advocacy. The state laws may be challenged, or, if history is to repeat itself, the abundance of state laws will be so great that the opposition will have to join the effort. It's like the cork is out of the bottle, and people have to cooperate to find something that works for such diverse interests. Can anyone really imagine taking books away from people with print disabilities? We've reached a different level of understanding, and its unlikely any setback will be permanent. All this said, I really like the collaborative approach that AHEAD is pursuing. We are not going after state legislation, and we are trying to find ways to work with publishers to serve students well while balancing property rights. It's right for us, but it is not right for everyone. I also like the NFB approach. The NFB has a clear sense of purpose and the machinery to affect change. The practice of going after state laws to motivate a national solution is one that works. The NFB will collaborate when its suits the organization's agenda, and it will go its own way when it must. I can even appreciate the views of publishers. Publishers should never be ripped off, and it's vital that we let individuals and corporations make money from their products. Thank goodness there are many voices involved because it is the diversity that will help us reach a more just world. Jim Marks Director of Disability Services University of Montana jim.marks@umontana.edu http://www.umt.edu/dss/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 12:41 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update I think the Texas bill is a good example of why we do not want state based legislation to happen. The NFB's lack of any national corrdination are resulting in a direct negative impact on the achievement of a national cooperative solution. I think at you look at the issue of state based etext laws you also need to look at the impact of a court challenge on these laws, and I am of the opinion they will then fall like a house of cards setting us all back in our work at least a decade.. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From marks at mso.umt.edu Thu Jul 26 08:44:21 2007 From: marks at mso.umt.edu (Marks, Jim) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update In-Reply-To: <010001c7cefb$ba5208c0$2ef61a40$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C6E@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu><1185386905.358791.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> <008f01c7ceeb$4de49190$e9adb4b0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com><14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C76@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> <010001c7cefb$ba5208c0$2ef61a40$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C84@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> I wish that people with learning disabilities would practice the same sense of identity and collective action that blind people do, but I am not going to hold my breath in anticipation of this progression. It's accurate to say that most alternate format issues are driven by the blind and visually impaired, but this is caused by the lack of action on the part of other groups rather than the actions of the blind and visually impaired. Blind groups often get charged with allegations that we do not cooperate, and that this lack of cooperation hurts the things we could achieve if only everyone would play well together. But what is really being said, at least in part, is that blind people ought to pick up what others are failing to do for themselves. The trouble with this is that if blind people lose their focus, who is going to pick up our cause? And here is another point to consider. The only group of people with disabilities to shrink in post-secondary education enrollment over the past two decades is the blind and visually impaired. Part of the reason for the shrinkage is better medical treatments. The other reason is that the United States failed to teach blind and visually impaired children how to read and write well enough to function in college. Now consider that for every blind or visually impaired student a DS office sees, there are 40 students with learning disabilities standing at the door. As a consequence, DS officers tend to know a lot about learning disabilities, and very little about blindness. Just look at the number of posts about blindness that crop up on disability service listservs. DS professionals do not know enough about blindness, and it's left up to the blind to fend for themselves. They often have to do it under extremely difficult circumstances, such as being forced to use accommodations that are very appropriate for students with learning disabilities and downright harmful to blind people. One size does not fit all. I do not think that blind and visually impaired people want to keep other groups from getting their rights met. But neither will we let others dictate our agenda for us. It may be sloppy, but special interests are what drives our US system of government and economy. I and many others feel no shame in our self-interest. But it sure would be great if others would stop asking us to address their special interests for them. We will have to hoist a cold one over this sort of conversation, I suppose. While we might not convince one another of much, at least we can enjoy some good company and some good beer. Jim Marks Director of Disability Services University of Montana jim.marks@umontana.edu http://www.umt.edu/dss/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:38 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update I think the lesson for me at that point is if the various communities of print disabled folks band together to work for a common solution to their issues of access then a more wholistic solution would in all likeliness result. As long as it is solely the NFB and other blindness related organizations that are pushing for change then the result will be laws that benefit those groups to the detriment of the others. From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Thu Jul 26 09:01:29 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update In-Reply-To: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C84@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> References: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C6E@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu><1185386905.358791.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> <008f01c7ceeb$4de49190$e9adb4b0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com><14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C76@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> <010001c7cefb$ba5208c0$2ef61a40$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A3E1C84@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> Message-ID: <006401c7cf9e$3ac219d0$b0464d70$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Well said my friend! Often we tend to get too bogged down in our firefighter lives to take a step back and look at the big picture. The failure of the educational system at all levels to teach folks with disabilities borders on criminal, in my opinion. I did a training recently in which I was asked why do we need to do Braille at all, isn't audio based access superior, and this is unfortunately a regular question. It is not a reflection on the dedication of the person who asked us, but more a reflection on the complexity and challenging field we work in. I would ask each of us to challenge our assumptions on a regular basis, and to engage in more of this kind of conversation on a regular basis. A parting thought on this topic. What does the unemployment and underemployment of folks with disablites costs us as a society, not just in dollars but in lost human potential? And how less expensive would it actually be to provide a sounds fundamental education to all members of our communities of learners. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Marks, Jim Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:44 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update I wish that people with learning disabilities would practice the same sense of identity and collective action that blind people do, but I am not going to hold my breath in anticipation of this progression. It's accurate to say that most alternate format issues are driven by the blind and visually impaired, but this is caused by the lack of action on the part of other groups rather than the actions of the blind and visually impaired. Blind groups often get charged with allegations that we do not cooperate, and that this lack of cooperation hurts the things we could achieve if only everyone would play well together. But what is really being said, at least in part, is that blind people ought to pick up what others are failing to do for themselves. The trouble with this is that if blind people lose their focus, who is going to pick up our cause? And here is another point to consider. The only group of people with disabilities to shrink in post-secondary education enrollment over the past two decades is the blind and visually impaired. Part of the reason for the shrinkage is better medical treatments. The other reason is that the United States failed to teach blind and visually impaired children how to read and write well enough to function in college. Now consider that for every blind or visually impaired student a DS office sees, there are 40 students with learning disabilities standing at the door. As a consequence, DS officers tend to know a lot about learning disabilities, and very little about blindness. Just look at the number of posts about blindness that crop up on disability service listservs. DS professionals do not know enough about blindness, and it's left up to the blind to fend for themselves. They often have to do it under extremely difficult circumstances, such as being forced to use accommodations that are very appropriate for students with learning disabilities and downright harmful to blind people. One size does not fit all. I do not think that blind and visually impaired people want to keep other groups from getting their rights met. But neither will we let others dictate our agenda for us. It may be sloppy, but special interests are what drives our US system of government and economy. I and many others feel no shame in our self-interest. But it sure would be great if others would stop asking us to address their special interests for them. We will have to hoist a cold one over this sort of conversation, I suppose. While we might not convince one another of much, at least we can enjoy some good company and some good beer. Jim Marks Director of Disability Services University of Montana jim.marks@umontana.edu http://www.umt.edu/dss/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:38 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update I think the lesson for me at that point is if the various communities of print disabled folks band together to work for a common solution to their issues of access then a more wholistic solution would in all likeliness result. As long as it is solely the NFB and other blindness related organizations that are pushing for change then the result will be laws that benefit those groups to the detriment of the others. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Thu Jul 26 09:56:56 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] [ATHEN] Virtual Pencil In-Reply-To: <000901c7ce40$215bed90$a11919ac@johnz> References: <000601c7ce08$a64c58b0$6468a8c0@johnz><6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC057382E2@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> <008501c7ce27$17ee7b60$47cb7220$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <000901c7ce40$215bed90$a11919ac@johnz> Message-ID: <009101c7cfa5$f9a593c0$ecf0bb40$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Not sure what formats you are talking about John, last time I checked the current version on the website does RTF, DOC and HTML. Outputs would be still tied to Wintriangle. LaTex and MathML are in progress, I have asked Vivek to provide an update but so far he has not responded. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 6:15 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil Hi Ron. ChattyInfty will not be free forever, but I don't know what kind of price they'll ask. Presently it has relatively limited input capabilities and somewhat better output. It can input and output the native Infty IML format and was originally made to access the information from the Infty Reader, which can OCR scanned input and PDF and does a pretty good job on professional documents but not quite so well on cute stuff common in US K-12. ChattyInfty seems to output Latex decently, but it is pretty simple Latex. It also outputs XHTML/MathML readable with any web browser that can handle MathML. ChattyInfty also shows the math in standard format on screen, which is really its major advantage over WinTriangle. But then WinTriangle is free. How are its input/output abilities today? Last time I tried it, there were still problems with IO of any standard mainstream format. Do you have more recent info? Be well. John -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:16 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil I guess the rest of us are just chopped liver then :-) John, Is ChattyInfty going to remain free? Also Wintriangle development is still going on so don't count it out as a solution as well, but it also has a fairly steep learning curve. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Terri Hedgpeth Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:22 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil Robert, This is a great recommendation, and it comes from someone who really knows the ins and outs of access technology for postsecondary math. I vote for this one. Dr. Terri Hedgpeth Academic Research Professional CUbiC #376, iCare (480) 727-8133 V (480) 965-1885 Fax CUbiC.asu.edu http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:37 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil Hello Robert. If you are looking for something that will permit reading/writing math at the level of algebra or highr, and if your student is comfortable using beta software, you might have a look at ChattyInfty linked from: http://www.inftyproject.org/ It has a bit of a learning curve but is not bad. I'd be happy to help with some tips. This application provides audio and on line braille, with the math represented in Latex - other math braille will be coming later. John -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil That's kind of what I'm hearing. Thanks for the reply. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com 7/24/2007 9:33 AM >>> It is suitable for up to beginning algebra based on the feedback I have gotten. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:33 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Vertual Pencil Hi all, I've been asked by a person not on the list about Vertual Pencil. We haven't used it here and I only know one institution that has checked it out. I was wondering if anybody else has used it and what kind of results you've had. This university is looking for some options for a blind student to take algebra. The instructor is the one who is talking with me, which I find encouraging. The institution seems to be willing to purchase the technology, but they just want to have some good input on what may or may not work. I guess one question is can the instructor create the test in Word (or some word processing tool) and pull it into Vertual Pencil or will she have to completely recreate it in VP each time? The student is totally blind, but had sight before. The instructor assumes that since the student lost sight as an adult that he probably knows all the print characters and numbers. She is looking at possibly doing some raised line work as well. Anyway, we're mainly wondering about Vertual Pencil so any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by KCKCC's MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From obriemic at hvcc.edu Thu Jul 26 10:38:25 2007 From: obriemic at hvcc.edu (Michael O'Brien) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update In-Reply-To: <006401c7cf9e$3ac219d0$b0464d70$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <200707261738.AHS87446@hvcc.edu> "why do we need to do Braille at all, isn't audio based access superior" You're kidding! Mike -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:01 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update Well said my friend! Often we tend to get too bogged down in our firefighter lives to take a step back and look at the big picture. The failure of the educational system at all levels to teach folks with disabilities borders on criminal, in my opinion. I did a training recently in which I was asked why do we need to do Braille at all, isn't audio based access superior, and this is unfortunately a regular question. It is not a reflection on the dedication of the person who asked us, but more a reflection on the complexity and challenging field we work in. I would ask each of us to challenge our assumptions on a regular basis, and to engage in more of this kind of conversation on a regular basis. A parting thought on this topic. What does the unemployment and underemployment of folks with disablites costs us as a society, not just in dollars but in lost human potential? And how less expensive would it actually be to provide a sounds fundamental education to all members of our communities of learners. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Marks, Jim Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:44 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update I wish that people with learning disabilities would practice the same sense of identity and collective action that blind people do, but I am not going to hold my breath in anticipation of this progression. It's accurate to say that most alternate format issues are driven by the blind and visually impaired, but this is caused by the lack of action on the part of other groups rather than the actions of the blind and visually impaired. Blind groups often get charged with allegations that we do not cooperate, and that this lack of cooperation hurts the things we could achieve if only everyone would play well together. But what is really being said, at least in part, is that blind people ought to pick up what others are failing to do for themselves. The trouble with this is that if blind people lose their focus, who is going to pick up our cause? And here is another point to consider. The only group of people with disabilities to shrink in post-secondary education enrollment over the past two decades is the blind and visually impaired. Part of the reason for the shrinkage is better medical treatments. The other reason is that the United States failed to teach blind and visually impaired children how to read and write well enough to function in college. Now consider that for every blind or visually impaired student a DS office sees, there are 40 students with learning disabilities standing at the door. As a consequence, DS officers tend to know a lot about learning disabilities, and very little about blindness. Just look at the number of posts about blindness that crop up on disability service listservs. DS professionals do not know enough about blindness, and it's left up to the blind to fend for themselves. They often have to do it under extremely difficult circumstances, such as being forced to use accommodations that are very appropriate for students with learning disabilities and downright harmful to blind people. One size does not fit all. I do not think that blind and visually impaired people want to keep other groups from getting their rights met. But neither will we let others dictate our agenda for us. It may be sloppy, but special interests are what drives our US system of government and economy. I and many others feel no shame in our self-interest. But it sure would be great if others would stop asking us to address their special interests for them. We will have to hoist a cold one over this sort of conversation, I suppose. While we might not convince one another of much, at least we can enjoy some good company and some good beer. Jim Marks Director of Disability Services University of Montana jim.marks@umontana.edu http://www.umt.edu/dss/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:38 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update I think the lesson for me at that point is if the various communities of print disabled folks band together to work for a common solution to their issues of access then a more wholistic solution would in all likeliness result. As long as it is solely the NFB and other blindness related organizations that are pushing for change then the result will be laws that benefit those groups to the detriment of the others. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From mcroll at CAHS.Colostate.edu Thu Jul 26 10:53:21 2007 From: mcroll at CAHS.Colostate.edu (Roll,Marla) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200707261738.AHS87446@hvcc.edu> References: <006401c7cf9e$3ac219d0$b0464d70$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <200707261738.AHS87446@hvcc.edu> Message-ID: Hello all, We need advice on the purchase of an embosser for tactile graphics. We have an incoming computer science student who is blind and are quickly trying to prepare. In terms of the View plus embossers, I am seeking thoughts on which one would best meet our needs. I am thinking the View Plus Pro might be overkill for what we need - limited production for one student. Do others out there have experience in working with the other products? The Max, the Cub, and the Cub Jr. I would like to get some objective opinions before we purchase. Please advise - thanks so much, Marla Roll ________________________________________ Marla C. Roll, MS, OTR Director, Assistive Technology Resource Center 304 Occupational Therapy Building Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 - 1586 970-491-2016 970-491-6290 (fax) mcroll@cahs.colostate.edu From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Thu Jul 26 11:19:49 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update In-Reply-To: <200707261738.AHS87446@hvcc.edu> References: <006401c7cf9e$3ac219d0$b0464d70$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <200707261738.AHS87446@hvcc.edu> Message-ID: <00a801c7cfb1$91a1ce90$b4e56bb0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> I wish I was and this is actually a fairly common question from DS providers in the Alt format trainings I am doing nationally. It clearly reflects the lack of understanding of why Braille = Literacy and also points to why education for student who are blind and profoundly visually impaired went to an audio only educational modality. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Michael O'Brien Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:38 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update "why do we need to do Braille at all, isn't audio based access superior" You're kidding! Mike -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:01 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update Well said my friend! Often we tend to get too bogged down in our firefighter lives to take a step back and look at the big picture. The failure of the educational system at all levels to teach folks with disabilities borders on criminal, in my opinion. I did a training recently in which I was asked why do we need to do Braille at all, isn't audio based access superior, and this is unfortunately a regular question. It is not a reflection on the dedication of the person who asked us, but more a reflection on the complexity and challenging field we work in. I would ask each of us to challenge our assumptions on a regular basis, and to engage in more of this kind of conversation on a regular basis. A parting thought on this topic. What does the unemployment and underemployment of folks with disablites costs us as a society, not just in dollars but in lost human potential? And how less expensive would it actually be to provide a sounds fundamental education to all members of our communities of learners. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Marks, Jim Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:44 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update I wish that people with learning disabilities would practice the same sense of identity and collective action that blind people do, but I am not going to hold my breath in anticipation of this progression. It's accurate to say that most alternate format issues are driven by the blind and visually impaired, but this is caused by the lack of action on the part of other groups rather than the actions of the blind and visually impaired. Blind groups often get charged with allegations that we do not cooperate, and that this lack of cooperation hurts the things we could achieve if only everyone would play well together. But what is really being said, at least in part, is that blind people ought to pick up what others are failing to do for themselves. The trouble with this is that if blind people lose their focus, who is going to pick up our cause? And here is another point to consider. The only group of people with disabilities to shrink in post-secondary education enrollment over the past two decades is the blind and visually impaired. Part of the reason for the shrinkage is better medical treatments. The other reason is that the United States failed to teach blind and visually impaired children how to read and write well enough to function in college. Now consider that for every blind or visually impaired student a DS office sees, there are 40 students with learning disabilities standing at the door. As a consequence, DS officers tend to know a lot about learning disabilities, and very little about blindness. Just look at the number of posts about blindness that crop up on disability service listservs. DS professionals do not know enough about blindness, and it's left up to the blind to fend for themselves. They often have to do it under extremely difficult circumstances, such as being forced to use accommodations that are very appropriate for students with learning disabilities and downright harmful to blind people. One size does not fit all. I do not think that blind and visually impaired people want to keep other groups from getting their rights met. But neither will we let others dictate our agenda for us. It may be sloppy, but special interests are what drives our US system of government and economy. I and many others feel no shame in our self-interest. But it sure would be great if others would stop asking us to address their special interests for them. We will have to hoist a cold one over this sort of conversation, I suppose. While we might not convince one another of much, at least we can enjoy some good company and some good beer. Jim Marks Director of Disability Services University of Montana jim.marks@umontana.edu http://www.umt.edu/dss/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:38 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update I think the lesson for me at that point is if the various communities of print disabled folks band together to work for a common solution to their issues of access then a more wholistic solution would in all likeliness result. As long as it is solely the NFB and other blindness related organizations that are pushing for change then the result will be laws that benefit those groups to the detriment of the others. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Thu Jul 26 11:31:16 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: FW: Virtual Pencil Message-ID: <00b301c7cfb3$2a876380$7f962a80$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> The answer from the WinTriangle project manager. As well as an update on the project. Ron Currently WinTriangle supports import and export of XHTML documents. The native format remains RTF. Wintriangle Status ------------------ Our current development priorities are as follows: 1) Enhance the documentation of the project. Our website www.wintriangle.org has articles on topics from how to start an AFS organization to wintriangle help and FAQ's. 2) Enhance the speech output for equations. This is similar to what chattyinfty does with equations. Its not a though problem . Requires some effort though. 3) We are trying to develop a simple chemistry reader too. 4) Speech based equation input. I am experimenting with speech recognition for equation input. Some reasons for delay are: 1) We are waiting on stixfonts.org to release a mathematical font and they are delayed by a few months. 2) Microsoft has changed the way they distribute the Dlls in the new builds so our installer is undergoing a change. To give a glimpse of effort and cost that has gone into the development of the program have a look at. http://www.ohloh.net/projects/4049 > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of John Gardner > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 6:15 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education > Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil > > Hi Ron. ChattyInfty will not be free forever, but I > don't know what kind of > price they'll ask. Presently it has relatively > limited input capabilities > and somewhat better output. It can input and output > the native Infty IML > format and was originally made to access the > information from the Infty > Reader, which can OCR scanned input and PDF and does > a pretty good job on > professional documents but not quite so well on cute > stuff common in US > K-12. > > ChattyInfty seems to output Latex decently, but it > is pretty simple Latex. > It also outputs XHTML/MathML readable with any web > browser that can handle > MathML. ChattyInfty also shows the math in standard > format on screen, which > is really its major advantage over WinTriangle. But > then WinTriangle is > free. How are its input/output abilities today? > Last time I tried it, > there were still problems with IO of any standard > mainstream format. Do you > have more recent info? > > Be well. > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Ron Stewart > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:16 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education > Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil > > I guess the rest of us are just chopped liver then > :-) > > John, > > Is ChattyInfty going to remain free? > > Also Wintriangle development is still going on so > don't count it out as a > solution as well, but it also has a fairly steep > learning curve. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Terri Hedgpeth > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:22 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil > > Robert, > This is a great recommendation, and it comes from > someone who really knows > the ins and outs of access technology for > postsecondary math. I vote for > this one. > > > > Dr. Terri Hedgpeth > Academic Research Professional > CUbiC #376, iCare > (480) 727-8133 V > (480) 965-1885 Fax > CUbiC.asu.edu > http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of John Gardner > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:37 AM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education > Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil > > Hello Robert. If you are looking for something that > will permit > reading/writing math at the level of algebra or > highr, and if your student > is comfortable using beta software, you might have a > look at ChattyInfty > linked from: > http://www.inftyproject.org/ > It has a bit of a learning curve but is not bad. > I'd be happy to help with > some tips. > > This application provides audio and on line braille, > with the math > represented in Latex - other math braille will be > coming later. > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Robert Beach > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 AM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil > > That's kind of what I'm hearing. Thanks for the > reply. > > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > Phone: (913) 288-7671 > Fax: (913) 288-7678 > E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > >>> ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com 7/24/2007 9:33 AM >>> > It is suitable for up to beginning algebra based on > the feedback I have > gotten. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On > Behalf Of Robert Beach > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:33 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Vertual Pencil > > Hi all, > > I've been asked by a person not on the list about > Vertual Pencil. We > haven't used it here and I only know one institution > that has checked it > out. I was wondering if anybody else has used it > and what kind of results > you've had. > > This university is looking for some options for a > blind student to take > algebra. The instructor is the one who is talking > with me, which I find > encouraging. The institution seems to be willing to > purchase the > technology, but they just want to have some good > input on what may or may > not work. I guess one question is can the > instructor create the test in > Word (or some word processing tool) and pull it into > Vertual Pencil or will > she have to completely recreate it in VP each time? > > The student is totally blind, but had sight before. > The instructor assumes > that since the student lost sight as an adult that > he probably knows all the > print characters and numbers. She is looking at > possibly doing some raised > line work as well. > > Anyway, we're mainly wondering about Vertual Pencil > so any feedback would be > appreciated. > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > Phone: (913) 288-7671 > Fax: (913) 288-7678 > E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by KCKCC's > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Thu Jul 26 11:31:16 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] MathTrax for graphing Message-ID: <00b401c7cfb3$2d491b90$87db52b0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> One of my former grad students passed on this solution for high level graphical math access. He gives it high rating which is a strong endorsement in my book http://prime.jsc.nasa.gov/mathtrax/ Ron Stewart From skeegan at htctu.net Thu Jul 26 16:51:43 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: New Position - Alt Media Specialist Message-ID: <001d01c7cfdf$ebcd5eb0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Received this on another list: For those interested in alternate media positions, check out the job posting at Solano College: http://www.solano.edu/jobs/jobs.asp?list_id=1&search=job%5Ftype%3D%27cl%27 Take care, Sean Sean Keegan Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges From tft at u.washington.edu Fri Jul 27 08:19:06 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: IT Accessibility Constituent Group Meeting Message-ID: <200707271519.l6RFJ7pG010730@smtp.washington.edu> ATHEN Folks, For those of you who aren't yet subscribers to the EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group (CG) list, I'm forwarding this announcement for the first annual CG meeting. More information about the meeting and the constituent group is here: http://www.educause.edu/E07/Program/11073?PRODUCT_CODE=E07/CG28 Terry -----Original Message----- From: Terry Thompson [mailto:tft@u.washington.edu] Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 8:13 AM To: 'The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group Listserv' Subject: IT Accessibility Constituent Group Meeting Hello all, The IT Accessibility Constituent Group will hold its first meeting at the EDUCAUSE 2007 Annual Conference in Seattle. Since this is our first meeting, it's an excellent opportunity for all participants to have a voice in defining the group's goals and objectives and influencing its direction. If you'll be attending the conference, please mark your calendars: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:55 p.m. - 6:10 p.m. Room 610 If you have specific issues you'd like to include on the agenda, please let me know. Hope to see you in Seattle! Terry Terry Thompson Senior Computer Specialist University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Fri Jul 27 08:22:13 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] Access Report Message-ID: <004701c7d061$f1660a70$d4321f50$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Some of you may be interested in this report: http://www.ncd.gov/newsroom/publications/2006/discrimination.htm Ron ********************************************************************* Ron Stewart Vice President for Operations Dolphin Computer Access Inc. 231 Clarksville RD Suite 3 Princeton Junction, NJ 08550 Direct: 609 803-2174 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Sales (toll free): 866 797-5921 Support: 866 797-5921 Fax: 609 799-0475 ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com http://www.dolphinusa.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djbrky at bu.edu Fri Jul 27 14:47:51 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] Ron Blossoms at AHEAD References: <004701c7d061$f1660a70$d4321f50$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C6F94@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Or should I say - Ron gets the Ronald E. Blosser Award! A week back from the AHEAD conference and it dawns on me that no one has yet cried 'Hail and Good Show' to Ron for being presented with the most prestigious award bestowed by the Association on Higher Education and Disability. Then again -- we are the techies -- here's your grog -- now get yer arse back to the lab! So this weekend be sure to don your favorite fish shirt and raise a toast to Ron! ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability From thaven at hawaii.edu Fri Jul 27 18:13:43 2007 From: thaven at hawaii.edu (Teresa LW Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] Ron Blossoms at AHEAD In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C6F94@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <008101c7d0b4$8a84d400$0c71ab80@KOKUAAT> Thanks, Dann, for posting this -- Congratulations and good "fishes" to Ron from the Hawaii gang, Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Haven Access Technology Specialist KOKUA Program University of Hawai'i Manoa +++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:48 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Ron Blossoms at AHEAD Or should I say - Ron gets the Ronald E. Blosser Award! A week back from the AHEAD conference and it dawns on me that no one has yet cried 'Hail and Good Show' to Ron for being presented with the most prestigious award bestowed by the Association on Higher Education and Disability. Then again -- we are the techies -- here's your grog -- now get yer arse back to the lab! So this weekend be sure to don your favorite fish shirt and raise a toast to Ron! ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ea at emptech.info Sat Jul 28 07:15:18 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] Ron Blossoms at AHEAD In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C6F94@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <004701c7d061$f1660a70$d4321f50$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C6F94@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <000a01c7d121$ba29dc60$a3e2fea9@laptop> Congratulations Ron and I so wish the pond was smaller and I could be there to raise a toast as well. I am also sad to be missing Educause but just got to get some work done!! Hopefully we will be able to raise a glass at TechShare :>)) Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab ECS, University of Southampton Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 10:48 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Ron Blossoms at AHEAD Or should I say - Ron gets the Ronald E. Blosser Award! A week back from the AHEAD conference and it dawns on me that no one has yet cried 'Hail and Good Show' to Ron for being presented with the most prestigious award bestowed by the Association on Higher Education and Disability. Then again -- we are the techies -- here's your grog -- now get yer arse back to the lab! So this weekend be sure to don your favorite fish shirt and raise a toast to Ron! ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/923 - Release Date: 27/07/2007 18:01 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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URL: From nettiet at frontiernet.net Sat Jul 28 09:06:27 2007 From: nettiet at frontiernet.net (nettiet@frontiernet.net) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] Ron Blossoms at AHEAD In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C6F94@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <004701c7d061$f1660a70$d4321f50$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C6F94@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <20070728090627.loaqr15bfqbok8w4@webmail.frontiernet.net> Here! Here! to Ron Nettie Quoting "Berkowitz, Daniel J" : > Or should I say - Ron gets the Ronald E. Blosser Award! > > A week back from the AHEAD conference and it dawns on me that no one > has yet cried 'Hail and Good Show' to Ron for being presented with > the most prestigious award bestowed by the Association on Higher > Education and Disability. > > Then again -- we are the techies -- here's your grog -- now get yer > arse back to the lab! > > So this weekend be sure to don your favorite fish shirt and raise a > toast to Ron! > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From Nick.Baker at mso.umt.edu Mon Jul 30 07:37:57 2007 From: Nick.Baker at mso.umt.edu (Baker, Nick) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] Ron Blossoms at AHEAD In-Reply-To: <008101c7d0b4$8a84d400$0c71ab80@KOKUAAT> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C6F94@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <008101c7d0b4$8a84d400$0c71ab80@KOKUAAT> Message-ID: <42816E1795C8EB44B1676468392D0794569623@MUMMAILVS1.gs.umt.edu> Congratulations Ron! I appreciate your expertise and dedication. Nick Nick Baker Assistive Technology Coordinator nick.baker@umontana.edu 406-243-2234 (Voice/TTY) 406-243-2663 (Voice only) Disability Services for Students The University of Montana EL 154 32 Campus Drive Missoula, MT 59812 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa LW Haven Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 7:14 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Ron Blossoms at AHEAD Thanks, Dann, for posting this -- Congratulations and good "fishes" to Ron from the Hawaii gang, Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Haven Access Technology Specialist KOKUA Program University of Hawai'i Manoa +++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:48 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Ron Blossoms at AHEAD Or should I say - Ron gets the Ronald E. Blosser Award! A week back from the AHEAD conference and it dawns on me that no one has yet cried 'Hail and Good Show' to Ron for being presented with the most prestigious award bestowed by the Association on Higher Education and Disability. Then again -- we are the techies -- here's your grog -- now get yer arse back to the lab! So this weekend be sure to don your favorite fish shirt and raise a toast to Ron! ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From djbrky at bu.edu Mon Jul 30 09:19:33 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: International Research on Supporting Students in Lifelong Learning Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604152DA8@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Dear ATHEN members, The following is from a researcher at the University of York in the UK. I am passing this along at their request. ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability -----Original Message----- From: Omar Kheir [mailto:kheir@cs.york.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:50 AM To: Berkowitz, Daniel J Subject: International Research on Supporting Students in Lifelong Learning Dear Daniel Berkowitz I am a researcher at the University of York, currently involved in an international project (EU4All, see www.eu4all-project.eu) which is investigating how to use the potential of virtual learning environments to better support students with disabilities and mature students (although we are well aware that these systems currently have big accessibility problems at the moment). We are collecting information about the services available for disabled and mature students world wide in education, and we would like to ensure broad representation of USA institutions. This is to ensure that our results are relevant to institutions internationally, and in particular to the USA academic community. We have a survey for everyone working in higher education institutions (lecturers, disability officers, technicians, library and admin staff, I do mean everyone). Also, we don't want only people with experience of working with students with disabilities or mature students, we are interested in everyone's experiences. It is quite a long survey, it will take up to 40 minutes to complete (the clever software does at least allow you to do some and come back later if you wish). Because it is quite an effort, we are going to hold a prize draw with 10 x $20 US Amazon gift vouchers amongst all respondents. I would be very grateful if you could complete the survey. If you could also publicise it to your colleagues at your institution, that would be wonderful. If it's useful, I can provide a small poster (as a pdf file). Of course, we also want to get information from students, and we have a survey for students, both disabled and non-disabled, mature and new students. Again it's quite long, but there is also a prize draw of 10 x $20 US Amazon gift vouchers. If you can publicise the survey to students, I'd be very grateful. Both surveys can be accessed from the following web page: http://www.cs.york.ac.uk/hci/eu4all/survey/index.htm The surveys have been extensively tested for accessibility, so they should work well with screen readers and magnification programs. Many thanks for your help with this. If you have any questions about our project, do not hesitate to contact me. Yours, Omar Kheir Research Associate Department of Computer Science The University of York Heslington York, UK YO10 5DD Email: kheir@cs.york.ac.uk From djbrky at bu.edu Mon Jul 30 10:35:28 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] Linux Scanners Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604152EC4@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Hello all, We need suggestions on a high speed double sided wikked fast blah blah blah scanner that will play nice with Linux - specifically Debian - and SANE drivers. The only ones we can find are flatbeds. While I have your attention - I am looking for opinions on Bell and Howell scanners. Good?, Bad?, Indifferent? ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability From rblee at gw.fis.ncsu.edu Mon Jul 30 10:46:39 2007 From: rblee at gw.fis.ncsu.edu (Ricky Lee) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] Linux Scanners In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604152EC4@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604152EC4@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <46ADEBBF.F543.0078.1@gw.fis.ncsu.edu> One of these can make your life easier: http://www.axis.com/products/axis_7000/ -- Ricky Lee Assistant Director & Coordinator of Assistive Technology Disability Services Office NC State University Phone: 919-513-3556 TTY: 919-515-8830 ricky_lee@ncsu.edu http://www.ncsu.edu/dso >>> On 7/30/2007 at 1:35 PM, in message <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604152EC4@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu>, "Berkowitz, Daniel J" wrote: > Hello all, > > We need suggestions on a high speed double sided wikked fast blah blah > blah scanner that will play nice with Linux - specifically Debian - and > SANE drivers. The only ones we can find are flatbeds. > > While I have your attention - I am looking for opinions on Bell and > Howell scanners. Good?, Bad?, Indifferent? > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From Nick.Baker at mso.umt.edu Mon Jul 30 10:53:22 2007 From: Nick.Baker at mso.umt.edu (Baker, Nick) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] Linux Scanners In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604152EC4@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604152EC4@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <42816E1795C8EB44B1676468392D079456962C@MUMMAILVS1.gs.umt.edu> A few years ago I spent days trying to get ANY scanner to work via SANE, and never did succeed. SANE has probably improved, but it was probably my worst experience with Linux. (Mandrake) Nick Nick Baker Assistive Technology Coordinator nick.baker@umontana.edu 406-243-2234 (Voice/TTY) 406-243-2663 (Voice only) Disability Services for Students The University of Montana EL 154 32 Campus Drive Missoula, MT 59812 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:35 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Alternate Media Subject: [Athen] Linux Scanners Hello all, We need suggestions on a high speed double sided wikked fast blah blah blah scanner that will play nice with Linux - specifically Debian - and SANE drivers. The only ones we can find are flatbeds. While I have your attention - I am looking for opinions on Bell and Howell scanners. Good?, Bad?, Indifferent? ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ea at emptech.info Mon Jul 30 14:09:45 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: International Research on Supporting Students inLifelong Learning In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604152DA8@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604152DA8@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <004501c7d2ed$f65387e0$0a01a8c0@laptop> I have had an interview with Wendy Porch from Canada for the project and Martyn Cooper is on the advisory group for our project so do please try to help the team if you have a moment. I do not have shares in EU4ALL! but know those sorting out the standards side, which could work well for the ATHEN work on the subject - just a shame it does not come to any conclusions for 4 years! http://iet.open.ac.uk/research/index.cfm?id=6470#RR14 On the subject of standards and accessibility I have noticed that a group from UK have submitted comments regarding the draft WCAG version 2 guidelines with links to some of the guidelines we work with http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/issue-tracking/viewdata_individual.php?id=13 11 Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab ECS, University of Southampton Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 5:20 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] FW: International Research on Supporting Students inLifelong Learning Dear ATHEN members, The following is from a researcher at the University of York in the UK. I am passing this along at their request. ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability -----Original Message----- From: Omar Kheir [mailto:kheir@cs.york.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:50 AM To: Berkowitz, Daniel J Subject: International Research on Supporting Students in Lifelong Learning Dear Daniel Berkowitz I am a researcher at the University of York, currently involved in an international project (EU4All, see www.eu4all-project.eu) which is investigating how to use the potential of virtual learning environments to better support students with disabilities and mature students (although we are well aware that these systems currently have big accessibility problems at the moment). We are collecting information about the services available for disabled and mature students world wide in education, and we would like to ensure broad representation of USA institutions. This is to ensure that our results are relevant to institutions internationally, and in particular to the USA academic community. We have a survey for everyone working in higher education institutions (lecturers, disability officers, technicians, library and admin staff, I do mean everyone). Also, we don't want only people with experience of working with students with disabilities or mature students, we are interested in everyone's experiences. It is quite a long survey, it will take up to 40 minutes to complete (the clever software does at least allow you to do some and come back later if you wish). Because it is quite an effort, we are going to hold a prize draw with 10 x $20 US Amazon gift vouchers amongst all respondents. I would be very grateful if you could complete the survey. If you could also publicise it to your colleagues at your institution, that would be wonderful. If it's useful, I can provide a small poster (as a pdf file). Of course, we also want to get information from students, and we have a survey for students, both disabled and non-disabled, mature and new students. Again it's quite long, but there is also a prize draw of 10 x $20 US Amazon gift vouchers. If you can publicise the survey to students, I'd be very grateful. Both surveys can be accessed from the following web page: http://www.cs.york.ac.uk/hci/eu4all/survey/index.htm The surveys have been extensively tested for accessibility, so they should work well with screen readers and magnification programs. Many thanks for your help with this. If you have any questions about our project, do not hesitate to contact me. Yours, Omar Kheir Research Associate Department of Computer Science The University of York Heslington York, UK YO10 5DD Email: kheir@cs.york.ac.uk _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.25/926 - Release Date: 29/07/2007 23:14 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.25/926 - Release Date: 29/07/2007 23:14 From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Mon Jul 30 20:38:20 2007 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] Ron Blossoms at AHEAD In-Reply-To: <42816E1795C8EB44B1676468392D0794569623@MUMMAILVS1.gs.umt.edu> Message-ID: <469715FF00001C43@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Hear Hear! Good job Ron! Still in Montana. No luck fishing. Wink >-- Original Message -- >Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:37:57 -0600 >From: "Baker, Nick" >To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" >Subject: Re: [Athen] Ron Blossoms at AHEAD >Reply-To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > >Congratulations Ron! I appreciate your expertise and dedication. > Nick > >Nick Baker >Assistive Technology Coordinator >nick.baker@umontana.edu >406-243-2234 (Voice/TTY) >406-243-2663 (Voice only) > >Disability Services for Students >The University of Montana >EL 154 >32 Campus Drive >Missoula, MT 59812 >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Teresa LW Haven >Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 7:14 PM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] Ron Blossoms at AHEAD > >Thanks, Dann, for posting this -- Congratulations and good "fishes" to >Ron >from the Hawaii gang, > >Teresa > >+++++++++++++++++++++++ >Teresa Haven >Access Technology Specialist >KOKUA Program >University of Hawai'i Manoa >+++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J >Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:48 AM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access >Technologists >in Higher Education Network >Subject: [Athen] Ron Blossoms at AHEAD > >Or should I say - Ron gets the Ronald E. Blosser Award! > >A week back from the AHEAD conference and it dawns on me that no one has >yet >cried 'Hail and Good Show' to Ron for being presented with the most >prestigious award bestowed by the Association on Higher Education and >Disability. > >Then again -- we are the techies -- here's your grog -- now get yer arse >back to the lab! > >So this weekend be sure to don your favorite fish shirt and raise a >toast to >Ron! > >========================= >Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director >Boston University Office of Disability Services >19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor >Boston, MA 02215 > >(617) 353-3658 (office) >(617) 353-9646 (fax) >djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >ilit >y> > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Mon Jul 30 21:38:22 2007 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update In-Reply-To: <200707261738.AHS87446@hvcc.edu> Message-ID: <469715FF00001C65@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> I agree! As a class of society, the disabled as a whole are seriously both un- and under-employed. There are myriad reasons. One which comes to mind and is a serious thorn in my side at the moment concerns students who are blind or SVI and Voc. Rehab. refuses to authorize their Brailling or ALT format books. Not because these students are not "smart" enough for college/grad school, but because these students do not fit into some VR preconceived mold of what a person who is blind or VI "should" be able to do. This refusal to provide the textbooks and supporting materials in the appropriate format is a condemnation of these smart, talented, dedicated --and EMPLOYABLE-- people to a life of unemployment or employment in sub-standard, unfulfilling jobs. I just followed up with one of Ron's forwarded recommendations for MathTrax --we have an amazing student taking University Physics this fall and I have asked the young man AND his more-than-willing physics prof. to check out the software to see how well they might be able to use it for the student's homework and/or exams. I will continue to support, encourage, fight for our students' right to access their materials in the best, most appropriate format possible, whether VR helps them or not. And I will continue to poke, prod, provoke VR into providing the materials they are supposed to be taking care of. BTW, can ANY of you do university physics in your head by having someone (or the computer or cd player) read the problems to you and you can dictate flawlessly from memory? Good luck with that one! Blessings from one very frustrated fisherman (uh, fisher-woman!) on the Madison River, MT. Wink Ms. Wink Harner Manager (but still on vacation) Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa, AZ >-- Original Message -- >From: "Michael O'Brien" >To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:38:25 -0400 >Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update >Reply-To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > >"why do we need to do Braille at all, isn't audio based access superior" >You're kidding! > >Mike > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Ron Stewart >Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:01 PM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update > >Well said my friend! > >Often we tend to get too bogged down in our firefighter lives to take a step >back and look at the big picture. The failure of the educational system >at >all levels to teach folks with disabilities borders on criminal, in my >opinion. I did a training recently in which I was asked why do we need to >do Braille at all, isn't audio based access superior, and this is >unfortunately a regular question. It is not a reflection on the dedication >of the person who asked us, but more a reflection on the complexity and >challenging field we work in. > >I would ask each of us to challenge our assumptions on a regular basis, and >to engage in more of this kind of conversation on a regular basis. > >A parting thought on this topic. What does the unemployment and >underemployment of folks with disablites costs us as a society, not just >in >dollars but in lost human potential? And how less expensive would it >actually be to provide a sounds fundamental education to all members of our >communities of learners. > >Ron Stewart > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Marks, Jim >Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 11:44 AM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update > >I wish that people with learning disabilities would practice the same sense >of identity and collective action that blind people do, but I am not going >to hold my breath in anticipation of this progression. It's accurate to >say >that most alternate format issues are driven by the blind and visually >impaired, but this is caused by the lack of action on the part of other >groups rather than the actions of the blind and visually impaired. Blind >groups often get charged with allegations that we do not cooperate, and that >this lack of cooperation hurts the things we could achieve if only everyone >would play well together. But what is really being said, at least in part, >is that blind people ought to pick up what others are failing to do for >themselves. The trouble with this is that if blind people lose their focus, >who is going to pick up our cause? > >And here is another point to consider. The only group of people with >disabilities to shrink in post-secondary education enrollment over the past >two decades is the blind and visually impaired. Part of the reason for the >shrinkage is better medical treatments. The other reason is that the United >States failed to teach blind and visually impaired children how to read and >write well enough to function in college. Now consider that for every blind >or visually impaired student a DS office sees, there are 40 students with >learning disabilities standing at the door. As a consequence, DS officers >tend to know a lot about learning disabilities, and very little about >blindness. Just look at the number of posts about blindness that crop up >on >disability service listservs. >DS professionals do not know enough about blindness, and it's left up to >the >blind to fend for themselves. They often have to do it under extremely >difficult circumstances, such as being forced to use accommodations that >are >very appropriate for students with learning disabilities and downright >harmful to blind people. One size does not fit all. > >I do not think that blind and visually impaired people want to keep other >groups from getting their rights met. But neither will we let others >dictate our agenda for us. It may be sloppy, but special interests are what >drives our US system of government and economy. I and many others feel no >shame in our self-interest. But it sure would be great if others would stop >asking us to address their special interests for them. > >We will have to hoist a cold one over this sort of conversation, I suppose. >While we might not convince one another of much, at least we can enjoy some >good company and some good beer. > > > >Jim Marks >Director of Disability Services >University of Montana >jim.marks@umontana.edu >http://www.umt.edu/dss/ > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Ron Stewart >Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:38 PM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD E-Text Site Update > >I think the lesson for me at that point is if the various communities of >print disabled folks band together to work for a common solution to their >issues of access then a more wholistic solution would in all likeliness >result. As long as it is solely the NFB and other blindness related >organizations that are pushing for change then the result will be laws that >benefit those groups to the detriment of the others. > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447