[Athen] [ATHEN] Virtual Pencil

[Ron Stewart]

Not sure what formats you are talking about John, last time I checked the
current version on the website does RTF, DOC and HTML.  Outputs would be
still tied to Wintriangle.  LaTex and MathML are in progress, I have asked
Vivek to provide an update but so far he has not responded.

Ron 

-----Original Message-----
From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On
Behalf Of John Gardner
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 6:15 PM
To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'
Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil

Hi Ron.  ChattyInfty will not be free forever, but I don't know what kind of
price they'll ask.  Presently it has relatively limited input capabilities
and somewhat better output.  It can input and output the native Infty IML
format and was originally made to access the information from the Infty
Reader, which can OCR scanned input and PDF and does a pretty good job on
professional documents but not quite so well on cute stuff common in US
K-12.  

ChattyInfty seems to output Latex decently, but it is pretty simple Latex.
It also outputs XHTML/MathML readable with any web browser that can handle
MathML.  ChattyInfty also shows the math in standard format on screen, which
is really its major advantage over WinTriangle.  But then WinTriangle is
free.  How are its input/output abilities today?  Last time I tried it,
there were still problems with IO of any standard mainstream format.  Do you
have more recent info?

Be well.

John





-----Original Message-----
From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On
Behalf Of Ron Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:16 PM
To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'
Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil

I guess the rest of us are just chopped liver then :-)

John,

Is ChattyInfty going to remain free?   

Also Wintriangle development is still going on so don't count it out as a
solution as well, but it also has a fairly steep learning curve.

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On
Behalf Of Terri Hedgpeth
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:22 PM
To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network
Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil

Robert,
This is a great recommendation, and it comes from someone who really knows
the ins and outs of access technology for postsecondary math. I vote for
this one.
 


Dr. Terri Hedgpeth
Academic Research Professional
CUbiC #376, iCare
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-----Original Message-----
From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On
Behalf Of John Gardner
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:37 AM
To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'
Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil

Hello Robert.  If you are looking for something that will permit
reading/writing math at the level of algebra or highr, and if your student
is comfortable using beta software, you might have a look at ChattyInfty
linked from:
http://www.inftyproject.org/
It has a bit of a learning curve but is not bad.  I'd be happy to help with
some tips.

This application provides audio and on line braille, with the math
represented in Latex - other math braille will be coming later.

John


-----Original Message-----
From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On
Behalf Of Robert Beach
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 AM
To: athen at athenpro.org
Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil

That's kind of what I'm hearing.  Thanks for the reply.



Robert Lee Beach
Assistive Technology Specialist
Kansas City Kansas Community College
7250 State Avenue
Kansas City, KS  66112
Phone:  (913) 288-7671
Fax: (913) 288-7678
E-mail:  rbeach at kckcc.edu


>>> ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com 7/24/2007 9:33 AM >>>

It is suitable for up to beginning algebra based on the feedback I have
gotten.

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org]
On
Behalf Of Robert Beach
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:33 PM
To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network
Subject: [Athen] Vertual Pencil

Hi all,

I've been asked by a person not on the list about Vertual Pencil.  We
haven't used it here and I only know one institution that has checked it
out.  I was wondering if anybody else has used it and what kind of results
you've had.

This university is looking for some options for a blind student to take
algebra.  The instructor is the one who is talking with me, which I find
encouraging.  The institution seems to be willing to purchase the
technology, but they just want to have some good input on what may or may
not work.  I guess one question is can the instructor create the test in
Word (or some word processing tool) and pull it into Vertual Pencil or will
she have to completely recreate it in VP each time?

The student is totally blind, but had sight before.  The instructor assumes
that since the student lost sight as an adult that he probably knows all the
print characters and numbers.  She is looking at possibly doing some raised
line work as well.

Anyway, we're mainly wondering about Vertual Pencil so any feedback would be
appreciated.

Thanks in advance!



Robert Lee Beach
Assistive Technology Specialist
Kansas City Kansas Community College
7250 State Avenue
Kansas City, KS  66112
Phone:  (913) 288-7671
Fax: (913) 288-7678
E-mail:  rbeach at kckcc.edu 

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