[Athen] FW: FW: Virtual Pencil

[Ron Stewart]

The answer from the WinTriangle project manager.  As well as an update on
the project.

Ron 



Currently WinTriangle supports import and export of
XHTML documents. The native format remains RTF. 

Wintriangle Status
------------------

Our current development priorities are as follows:
1) Enhance the documentation of the project. Our
website www.wintriangle.org has articles on topics
from how to start an AFS organization to wintriangle
help and FAQ's. 

2) Enhance the speech output for equations. This is
similar to what chattyinfty does with equations. Its
not a though problem . Requires some effort though.

3) We are trying to develop a simple chemistry reader
too. 

4) Speech based equation input. I am experimenting
with speech recognition for equation input.

Some reasons for delay are:
1) We are waiting on stixfonts.org to release a
mathematical font and they are delayed by a few
months.

2) Microsoft has changed the way they distribute the
Dlls in the new builds so our installer is undergoing
a change. 

To give a glimpse of effort and cost that has gone
into the development of the program have a look at.

http://www.ohloh.net/projects/4049



> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org

> [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On

> Behalf Of John Gardner

> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 6:15 PM

> To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education

> Network'

> Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil

> 

> Hi Ron.  ChattyInfty will not be free forever, but I

> don't know what kind of

> price they'll ask.  Presently it has relatively

> limited input capabilities

> and somewhat better output.  It can input and output

> the native Infty IML

> format and was originally made to access the

> information from the Infty

> Reader, which can OCR scanned input and PDF and does

> a pretty good job on

> professional documents but not quite so well on cute

> stuff common in US

> K-12.  

> 

> ChattyInfty seems to output Latex decently, but it

> is pretty simple Latex.

> It also outputs XHTML/MathML readable with any web

> browser that can handle

> MathML.  ChattyInfty also shows the math in standard

> format on screen, which

> is really its major advantage over WinTriangle.  But

> then WinTriangle is

> free.  How are its input/output abilities today? 

> Last time I tried it,

> there were still problems with IO of any standard

> mainstream format.  Do you

> have more recent info?

> 

> Be well.

> 

> John

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org

> [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On

> Behalf Of Ron Stewart

> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:16 PM

> To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education

> Network'

> Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil

> 

> I guess the rest of us are just chopped liver then

> :-)

> 

> John,

> 

> Is ChattyInfty going to remain free?   

> 

> Also Wintriangle development is still going on so

> don't count it out as a

> solution as well, but it also has a fairly steep

> learning curve.

> 

> Ron

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org

> [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On

> Behalf Of Terri Hedgpeth

> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:22 PM

> To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network

> Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil

> 

> Robert,

> This is a great recommendation, and it comes from

> someone who really knows

> the ins and outs of access technology for

> postsecondary math. I vote for

> this one.

>  

> 

> 

> Dr. Terri Hedgpeth

> Academic Research Professional

> CUbiC #376, iCare

> (480) 727-8133 V

> (480) 965-1885 Fax

> CUbiC.asu.edu

> http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org

> [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On

> Behalf Of John Gardner

> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:37 AM

> To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education

> Network'

> Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil

> 

> Hello Robert.  If you are looking for something that

> will permit

> reading/writing math at the level of algebra or

> highr, and if your student

> is comfortable using beta software, you might have a

> look at ChattyInfty

> linked from:

> http://www.inftyproject.org/

> It has a bit of a learning curve but is not bad. 

> I'd be happy to help with

> some tips.

> 

> This application provides audio and on line braille,

> with the math

> represented in Latex - other math braille will be

> coming later.

> 

> John

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org

> [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On

> Behalf Of Robert Beach

> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:57 AM

> To: athen at athenpro.org

> Subject: Re: [Athen] Virtual Pencil

> 

> That's kind of what I'm hearing.  Thanks for the

> reply.

> 

> 

> 

> Robert Lee Beach

> Assistive Technology Specialist

> Kansas City Kansas Community College

> 7250 State Avenue

> Kansas City, KS  66112

> Phone:  (913) 288-7671

> Fax: (913) 288-7678

> E-mail:  rbeach at kckcc.edu

> 

> >>> ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com 7/24/2007 9:33 AM >>>

> It is suitable for up to beginning algebra based on

> the feedback I have

> gotten.

> 

> Ron

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org

> [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org]

> On

> Behalf Of Robert Beach

> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:33 PM

> To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network

> Subject: [Athen] Vertual Pencil

> 

> Hi all,

> 

> I've been asked by a person not on the list about

> Vertual Pencil.  We

> haven't used it here and I only know one institution

> that has checked it

> out.  I was wondering if anybody else has used it

> and what kind of results

> you've had.

> 

> This university is looking for some options for a

> blind student to take

> algebra.  The instructor is the one who is talking

> with me, which I find

> encouraging.  The institution seems to be willing to

> purchase the

> technology, but they just want to have some good

> input on what may or may

> not work.  I guess one question is can the

> instructor create the test in

> Word (or some word processing tool) and pull it into

> Vertual Pencil or will

> she have to completely recreate it in VP each time?

> 

> The student is totally blind, but had sight before. 

> The instructor assumes

> that since the student lost sight as an adult that

> he probably knows all the

> print characters and numbers.  She is looking at

> possibly doing some raised

> line work as well.

> 

> Anyway, we're mainly wondering about Vertual Pencil

> so any feedback would be

> appreciated.

> 

> Thanks in advance!

> 

> 

> 

> Robert Lee Beach

> Assistive Technology Specialist

> Kansas City Kansas Community College

> 7250 State Avenue

> Kansas City, KS  66112

> Phone:  (913) 288-7671

> Fax: (913) 288-7678

> E-mail:  rbeach at kckcc.edu 

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