[Athen] FW: House Subcommittee Vote Could EndBooksfor the Blind.

[Michael O'Brien]

Terri:

	On the surface, it does, though I'd really like to hear NLS's side
of the story.  My understanding is The books will have a number of
navigational features, but the players will be produced in several models,
designed to suit various reader abilities and preferences.  Because of this,
not all models, therefore, will support all features.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On
Behalf Of Terri Hedgpeth
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:20 PM
To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network
Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: House Subcommittee Vote Could EndBooksfor the
Blind.

Interesting, it all smacks of deception don't you think?  


Dr. Terri Hedgpeth
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-----Original Message-----
From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On
Behalf Of Michael O'Brien
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:08 AM
To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'
Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: House Subcommittee Vote Could EndBooksfor the
Blind.

Terri:

	What's funny about this is NLS, in its continuing publicity and
justification for the change, touts the advantages of navigation features,
such as chapter and page, and indicates these will be included in D.T.B.S it
produces.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On
Behalf Of Terri Hedgpeth
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:12 PM
To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network
Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: House Subcommittee Vote Could EndBooksfor the
Blind.

Michael,
I believe that NLS is not including page and chapter navigation, because
they are operating in the old mind think of anilog recording. I also think
that this came about by them alining themselves with one consumer
organization as their primary source of input rather then including input
from educators from k-12 and postsecondary institutions or professionals in
a formalized manner. Basically they don't seem to have been thinking outside
of the box. That is to bad, considering such a time for transition would
seem to be an optimal time for innovative and forward thinking regarding
access to books. 

Best
Terri




Dr. Terri Hedgpeth
Academic Research Professional
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-----Original Message-----
From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On
Behalf Of Michael O'Brien
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:52 AM
To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'
Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: House Subcommittee Vote Could EndBooksfor the
Blind.


	Forgive me for my ignorance, but why should it cost significantly
more to ad page numbering and chapter headings?  Text I can understand, but
all you'd need to do is type in a chapter or page code as the book is
recorded, to add these navigation features, right?

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On
Behalf Of Pratik Patel
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 12:10 AM
To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'
Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: House Subcommittee Vote Could End Booksfor the
Blind.

There is, sadly, blindness politics involved in the NLS development of the
digital delivery project.  In all this, NLS has decided that it will not
support one of the most important feature of a DAISY/DTB book, page
numbering.  I am beta testing the download service and it is certainly
lacking in that regard.  None of the books will be accompanied by text
either.  Unfortunately the design phase (or Frank Kert Cinke) determined
that adding page number navigation to newly developed DTB's would add
considerable cost to NLS's processes.  This was partly a decision made by
one of the blindness organizations, which has a strong monitary interest in
the NLS digital development.  the other organization lacks leadership, the
willingness, or the understanding  to do anything about it.  I hope to
change that soon.  Forgive me for being so cynical but there are some very
odd political things going on in New york with the Higher Ed textbook
legislation and the political nature of this field is becomming more and
more evident to me.  The more money is involved, the more annoying this
gets.

My apologies to those individuals who may belong to either of the
organizations.  My inditement does not reflect on your personal ability or
beliefs.

NLS is using a DRM system developed by the National Institute of Science.
The current beta test of the download  delivery is taking place by using an
SD card and a modified Victor Classic desktop player.  Supposedly, NLS will
be supporting manufacturers of other hardware players--notice I do not say
sofftware players--who wish to develop support for NLS's DRM and proprietary
flash-based cartredge.  NLS has chosen not to support software players as
they fully expect the DRM to be broken in a short time after it's released.
NLS wants to show no support for any such activity.  I love governmental
agencies who are afraid of their own shadows!  The players that NLS will be
supporting will not be able to playback DAISY material that does not comply
with the DRM technology.  I certainly hope this doesn't remain the case for
too long.  NLS plans to allow manufacturers to develop resellable hardware
cartredges for those individuals interested in the digital download service.
The download service will work in a similar manner to the Web braille
service currently provided to the patrons.

If NLS receives the partial funding promised by the current atmosphere in
Congress, it will not be the end of NLS or the program.  This funding is to
supplement  what NLS already receives on an annual basis.  The move to
digital will happen much more slowly than NLS predicted.  I'm not suggesting
that NLS should not receive its full funding as it has requested.  But,
certainly needs to explain some very important points about their decisions
and contracts.  I'm doing my part to get people to move on this issue as I
do believe that the agency should be allowed to put its plans into effect at
this stage. ... 

I could go on; but I know ya'all got better things to do than listen to/read
my rants.

Pratik


-----Original Message-----
From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On
Behalf Of Ron Stewart
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 11:52 AM
To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'
Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: House Subcommittee Vote Could End Books for the
Blind.

Morning,

Pullling out the soapbox here.  You can substitute Distance Educaition for
print access in this conversation as well.

This is not just a blindness issue!  And as long as it is presented as only
a VI/B issue it is never going to go anyplace. This is a VI/B, ADD/ADHD, LD,
Cognitive Processing, Dyslexic, Developmental Disability, TBI, and
Psyciatric disability issue.  Did I miss any?  I do not even want to being
talking about ESL and developmental Ed.  From my perspecitive, at its heart,
it is another issue about inclusion and acceptance of folks with
disabilities in our global society.  This is not just about Blind Readers
but the entire continuum of people with disabilities related to their
ability to effectively use print based materials.  If we look at all
students who would benefit from more accessible curriculum it could easily
be as high as 25% of our students.
As long as the conversation remains a blind centric one the issues of
inclusion and success are going to remain on the margins of the mainstream
discussion.  

This is true for all topics of educational and societal reform for all
groups that are living on the margins of mainstream society.  In the last
few years I have now been involved in more conversations that I care to
count on this topic and often one of the first questions that comes up is
why can we not make any progress on this, and my typicall response is until
you start to include the other 75% of folks with print related disabilities
you will not.  These other groups are not typically as organized or as vocal
as the VI/B groups and that contributes to the problem. Often times the
groups involved are so worried about protecting their turf and closed
agendas that it all gets lost in the real need of the people we are
dedicated to serving.

Being very involved in the whole Alt Format discussion on a global basis
this still does not effectively explain to me why the NLS felt it necessary
to go out and develop propriety closed market technology. I was at a DAISY
technical meeting this last week in Toronto and asked a question about
expansion beyond the focus on the special libraries to include the
educaitional space in the development of the specifications and it was not a
place anyone else at the table seemed to want to go.
This kind of thinking promotes the possible irrelevance of the DAISY work as
the mainstream technology moves beyond it.  Don't get me wrong I am a strong
advocate for DAISY and its impact on our students, but that is the result of
closed technology development especially in the current fluid and dymanic IT
world.

The compliance with closed format and protection of intellection property do
not in any way require this kind of reader.  Since they published their
original strategic plan this has been a topic of conversation and concern.
The more they went down the closed technology route the more it came up.
Nor does it explain why other national libraries are doing some of the same
things, don't make questionable decisions unless your willing to deal with
the consiquences. If the various development communities, both public and
private, have good robust technologies in the marketspace then that is the
first place agencies should look for solution.
Especially when they are using public funds for the process.  

The DAISY PTDB2 standard for DRM in DAISY books provides for a very good set
of protocols for insuring that Intellectual Property rights are protected in
the development and distribution of DAISY materials.  With my work in the
AHEAD E-Text  and NIMAS groups I have found that the discussion about
copyright is typically a slippery slope and straw man argument.  That is why
we have made the decision to put it aside and focus on pragmatic solutions
to the issues at  hand at least in the AHEAD work.  The topic does need to
be revisited and the Chaffee exemption brought into the information age, but
no one wants to open up the copyright law that is aware of all the competing
issues most of which are not even related to access and disability.

When the government is trying to cut funds at every turn, it does our effort
no good to shoot ourselves in the foot.  Secondly the House SubCommittee is
not intending to End books for the blind they are doing our job and asking
some hard questions about the appropriate use of public funds.  Do I think
they should spend their time looking at pork elsewhere, of course, but when
a government agency puts this kind of target on their back what should they
expect.

Ron 

-----Original Message-----
From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On
Behalf Of Kestrell
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:28 AM
To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network
Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: House Subcommittee Vote Could End Books for the
Blind.

Ron,

I have spoken to a number of people involved in special librariaries for the

blind, and all of them insist that their players, hardware as well as
software, must include DRM restrictions or the libraries will not be able to

get the cooperations of publishers in distributing their work. My impression

is that the state of the technology is dictated by the libraries'
lawyers, and that perspective dictates the design of the technology, the
distribution

method, and everything else involved in the design and distribution of the
books and the players.

There are lots of blind readers who comprehend that this is not the most
efficient or most economically sound method for doing things, but those
dissenters seem tobe in the minority, or, at least, not on any of the
committees that make the decisions.

Ultimately, I find it sadly ironic that the same government which is taking
the NLS to task for insisting on the more expensive "special formats" is the

same government that has contributed so much to the arcane nature of the
copyright laws which have left the special libraries so paranoid about being

held accountable for any infringement that they feel compelled to go design
these special players (read the copyright declaration on any of these NLS or

RFBD or even Bookshare books and you will get an idea of how the format
dictates the player and the distribution method, and even the relationship
witht he consumer).


Alicia/Kestrell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Stewart" <ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com>
To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" 
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Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:26 PM
Subject: [Athen] FW: House Subcommittee Vote Could End Books for the Blind.



>I have a tendency to stick my foot into sticky things and I also know 

>that  if I respond on any of the blindness lists I would be tarred and



>feathered.

>

>

> Based on my understanding from a recent trip to Washigton DC and a 

> couple of conversations with legislative types, the number one issue 

> for the funding is the fact that the NLS did not use off the shelf 

> technology or work with any of the exsisting commercial solutions to 

> build this reader.  This has been an issue throughout the development 

> process on this reader, and to be honest I am not surprised by this at



> all.  It is becoming more and more of an issues with federal funding 

> of projects when the project goes off and reinvents the wheel like 

> this.

>

> Anybody want to help me become better informed on the whys and 

> werefores of this.

>

> Ron Stewart

>

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> House Subcommittee Vote Could End Books for the Blind.

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>

> PressRelease

> Author : National Federation of the Blind Earthtimes.org - USA Thu, 07



> Jun 2007.

>

>

> On Wednesday, June 6, the House of Representatives Legislative Branch 

> Appropriations Subcommittee voted to substantially underfund the Books



> for the Blind program of the Library of Congress.

>

> Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind,

said:

> "Since 1931, Congress has consistently supported on a bipartisan basis



> a national program of audio and Braille books for the blind, operated 

> by the Library of Congress. The blind of America are shocked and 

> disappointed that a House subcommittee has callously disregarded our 

> literacy needs since literacy leads to independence. By appropriating 

> only $7.5 million of the

> $19.1 million needed for transition from antiquated analog cassette 

> tape technology to digital technology, the subcommittee has 

> effectively voted to shut down the only public library available to 

> blind Americans. The audio books produced by the Library of Congress 

> will be useless unless the digital playback technology is provided for



> readers. The Talking Book program is at a crossroads because the 

> analog tape used for the past thirty-six years has become obsolete and



> must be replaced for the program to continue.

> Virtually,

> all government programs, except Books for the Blind, have converted to



> state-of-the-art digital communication technology at a cost of 

> billions of dollars to the taxpayers. Leaving the Books for the Blind 

> program behind is unconscionable. Since it is early in the 

> appropriations process, however, Congress still has time to correct 

> this grievous error. We therefore urgently appeal to the full House 

> Appropriations Committee, the members of the House of Representatives,



> and the United States Senate to provide the full $19.1 million 

> requested by the National Library Service for the Blind and Physically



> Handicapped of the Library of Congress to begin production of digital 

> talking books and players."

>

> The Talking Book program serves over 750,000 blind Americans, 

> including blind children and an ever-increasing number of older 

> Americans who are losing vision. The incidence of blindness is 

> expected to increase as the baby boom generation reaches retirement 

> age. Therefore, the need for this essential program will only

increase.

>

> CONTACT: John G. Pare Jr., Director of Public Relations of the 

> National Federation of the Blind, +1-410-659-9314, extension 2371,

Cell:

> +1-410-913-3912, jpare at nfb.org

>

> Web site: http://www.nfb.org/

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> http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/news_press_release,118989.shtm

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