From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Nov 1 09:38:13 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] Educause 2007: Technology in Plain English Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711605EF4426@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> http://athenpro.blogspot.com/2007/11/educause-2007-technology-in-plain.h tml Courtesy of the Chronicle of Higher Education - Educause 2007: Technology in Plain English Chronicle editor Jeffrey Selingo interviews Lisa Trubitt of SUNY-Albany about communicating with different constituencies on campus. Also of interest is episode 6 of Tech Therapy and a piece titled "Talk to me like I'm a child." Listen for the TV Guide Exercise. there are good and simple lessons to learn here: When talking with others on their campuses, IT departments at Davidson and Albany ran into common pitfalls. The messages are often highly technical and contain more information than the recipients can digest. Techies are big on acronyms, which others don't understand. Messages often take a parental tone - don't do this, you must do that - and they are sometimes contradictory. Techies also like to give people the back story - the whole tale of what it took to get, say, Windows Vista working on the campus. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pratikp1 at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 16:45:13 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] incorrect e-mail addresses for ATHEN votes Message-ID: <020901c81ce1$42294780$c67bd680$@com> Dear Colleagues, Many of you will hav received individualized messages with instructions on how to cast your votes for ATHEN officers. However, I have found that several messages have been returned as undeliverable. If you have not received instructions, please write to me privately at pratikp1@gmail.com with an updated e-mail address. I will verify your membership with the current list and forward the instructions to you. Regards, Pratik Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech The City University of New York mailto: pratikp1@gmail.com PeopleTech Project Site From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Thu Nov 1 16:58:39 2007 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] need proctor help for Conference In-Reply-To: <002b01c81a58$f4232f90$0a01a8c0@laptop> References: <008e01c819ef$98a46d50$881a0bc6@ad.colorado.edu> <002b01c81a58$f4232f90$0a01a8c0@laptop> Message-ID: <001601c81ce3$1fa52650$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Thanks EA. I'm putting together the proctoring schedule now. Are you set with everything? Travel, hotel, speech logistics? Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:25 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] need proctor help for Conference These are the talks I have highlighted and I am only too happy to Proctor any of them but I am not sure when the meetings for the Athen Survey and the Athen evaluation group are taking place. Tuesday Flagstaff/Trailridge Lab: End the Angst: Universally Designed Word to accessible PDF, HTML, and simple PPT, Cath Stager-Kilcommons, ATRC, CSU Millennium Lab Lab: Automated Tactile Graphics, Dan Comden, U. Of Washington Wednesday Millennium Lab Lab: Advanced Applications of Basic Accessibility Principles, Jon Whiting & Jared Smith, WebAIM Millennium Lab Lab: Concepts & Techniques for Accessible, Closed Captioned Web based Video, David Klein, Ph.D. & Kenneth "Fritz" Thompson Thursday Millennium Lab Lab: Accessible Podcasting, Jayme Johnson , HTCTU (ends at 9:45) Millennium Lab (starts at 10:00) Lab: Using JAWS to test for web accessibility, Jon Whiting, WebAIM (1.5 hr session ends at 11:30) Millennium Lab Lab: Functional Accessibility Evaluation of Web 2.0 Applications, Jon Gunderson, UIUC Friday Millennium Lab Accessibility Consortiums: a New Approach to Resolve IT Accessibility Issues, Jon Gunderson, Hadi Bargi Rangin, UIUC 231 What is Web 2.0 (and how do we keep it accessible)?, Cath Stager-Kilcommons & Shaun Geisert, ATRC, CSU Best wishes E.A. ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:50 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] need proctor help for Conference Hello All: The conference is quickly approaching. For those attending (& speaking), as usual, we could use help proctoring. Proctoring just requires handing out the evaluation forms, getting help for the speaker if some problem arises. You're not required to be technical. I've attached an updated schedule in both Word & PDF format. You can just send me a list of sessions you'd be willing to proctor or write your name in the cell in the Word document. You can also see the schedule on the Web at www.colorado.edu/ATconference. Look forward to seeing those of you who are attending in a little over a week. Cheers, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 27/10/2007 11:02 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 27/10/2007 11:02 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Thu Nov 1 17:09:19 2007 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] need proctor help for Conference In-Reply-To: <001601c81ce3$1fa52650$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> References: <008e01c819ef$98a46d50$881a0bc6@ad.colorado.edu><002b01c81a58$f4232f90$0a01a8c0@laptop> <001601c81ce3$1fa52650$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <001c01c81ce4$9d55b460$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Whoops, didn't meant to send that to the listserv. Sorry. -Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 5:59 PM To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] need proctor help for Conference Thanks EA. I'm putting together the proctoring schedule now. Are you set with everything? Travel, hotel, speech logistics? Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:25 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] need proctor help for Conference These are the talks I have highlighted and I am only too happy to Proctor any of them but I am not sure when the meetings for the Athen Survey and the Athen evaluation group are taking place. Tuesday Flagstaff/Trailridge Lab: End the Angst: Universally Designed Word to accessible PDF, HTML, and simple PPT, Cath Stager-Kilcommons, ATRC, CSU Millennium Lab Lab: Automated Tactile Graphics, Dan Comden, U. Of Washington Wednesday Millennium Lab Lab: Advanced Applications of Basic Accessibility Principles, Jon Whiting & Jared Smith, WebAIM Millennium Lab Lab: Concepts & Techniques for Accessible, Closed Captioned Web based Video, David Klein, Ph.D. & Kenneth "Fritz" Thompson Thursday Millennium Lab Lab: Accessible Podcasting, Jayme Johnson , HTCTU (ends at 9:45) Millennium Lab (starts at 10:00) Lab: Using JAWS to test for web accessibility, Jon Whiting, WebAIM (1.5 hr session ends at 11:30) Millennium Lab Lab: Functional Accessibility Evaluation of Web 2.0 Applications, Jon Gunderson, UIUC Friday Millennium Lab Accessibility Consortiums: a New Approach to Resolve IT Accessibility Issues, Jon Gunderson, Hadi Bargi Rangin, UIUC 231 What is Web 2.0 (and how do we keep it accessible)?, Cath Stager-Kilcommons & Shaun Geisert, ATRC, CSU Best wishes E.A. ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:50 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] need proctor help for Conference Hello All: The conference is quickly approaching. For those attending (& speaking), as usual, we could use help proctoring. Proctoring just requires handing out the evaluation forms, getting help for the speaker if some problem arises. You're not required to be technical. I've attached an updated schedule in both Word & PDF format. You can just send me a list of sessions you'd be willing to proctor or write your name in the cell in the Word document. You can also see the schedule on the Web at www.colorado.edu/ATconference. Look forward to seeing those of you who are attending in a little over a week. Cheers, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 27/10/2007 11:02 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 27/10/2007 11:02 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Thu Nov 1 23:02:05 2007 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] incorrect e-mail addresses for ATHEN votes In-Reply-To: <020901c81ce1$42294780$c67bd680$@com> Message-ID: <471AED2800001955@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Pratik, I tried to follow the directions and never got a screen that allowed me to actually VOTE. I got to look at a list of the candidates. And when I tried a second time I got an error message. So am uncertain if I was actually successful. In all, it was a pretty confusing and awkward process. Hope this can be improved. I do appreciate your help alot! Blessings, Wink Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa, AZ wink.harner@mcmail.maricopa.edu >-- Original Message -- >From: "Pratik Patel" >To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" >Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:45:13 -0400 >Subject: [Athen] incorrect e-mail addresses for ATHEN votes >Reply-To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > >Dear Colleagues, > >Many of you will hav received individualized messages with instructions on >how to cast your votes for ATHEN officers. However, I have found that >several messages have been returned as undeliverable. If you have not >received instructions, please write to me privately at pratikp1@gmail.com >with an updated e-mail address. I will verify your membership with the >current list and forward the instructions to you. > >Regards, > >Pratik > > >Pratik Patel >Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech >The City University of New York >mailto: pratikp1@gmail.com >PeopleTech Project Site > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 From pratikp1 at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 01:49:32 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] incorrect e-mail addresses for ATHEN votes In-Reply-To: <471AED2800001955@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> References: <020901c81ce1$42294780$c67bd680$@com> <471AED2800001955@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: <004901c81d2d$4b104370$e130ca50$@com> Wink, If you go to the page again at www.ppatel.org/athen, you will find that the form now works as it should. There was an errorin the submission script. That has been corrected. My apologies for the inconvenience. Thank you for your patience. Pratik Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech. The City University of New York -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:02 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] incorrect e-mail addresses for ATHEN votes Pratik, I tried to follow the directions and never got a screen that allowed me to actually VOTE. I got to look at a list of the candidates. And when I tried a second time I got an error message. So am uncertain if I was actually successful. In all, it was a pretty confusing and awkward process. Hope this can be improved. I do appreciate your help alot! Blessings, Wink Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa, AZ wink.harner@mcmail.maricopa.edu >-- Original Message -- >From: "Pratik Patel" >To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" >Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:45:13 -0400 >Subject: [Athen] incorrect e-mail addresses for ATHEN votes >Reply-To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > >Dear Colleagues, > >Many of you will hav received individualized messages with instructions on >how to cast your votes for ATHEN officers. However, I have found that >several messages have been returned as undeliverable. If you have not >received instructions, please write to me privately at pratikp1@gmail.com >with an updated e-mail address. I will verify your membership with the >current list and forward the instructions to you. > >Regards, > >Pratik > > >Pratik Patel >Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech >The City University of New York >mailto: pratikp1@gmail.com >PeopleTech Project Site > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From hascherdss at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 06:38:33 2007 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] need proctor help for Conference In-Reply-To: <008e01c819ef$98a46d50$881a0bc6@ad.colorado.edu> References: <008e01c819ef$98a46d50$881a0bc6@ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <6e0d34c90711020638y44e0ae5etdf4dda27f47f3aef@mail.gmail.com> Good morning, Howard! My apologies for not answering sooner your call for volunteers! Do you have proctors for the following preconference session? I'd be happy to proctor any of them with which you need assistance! Tuesday B: Web Accessibility Evaluation wtih WAVE 4.0 Tuesday D: Automated Tactile Graphics Wednesday G Advanced Apps for Basic Accessibility Principles Wednesday L Concepts & Techniques for Accessible, Closed Captioned Web-based Video Heidi Scher On 10/29/07, Howard Kramer wrote: > > > > > Hello All: > > > > The conference is quickly approaching. For those attending (& speaking), as > usual, we could use help proctoring. Proctoring just requires handing out > the evaluation forms, getting help for the speaker if some problem arises. > You're not required to be technical. I've attached an updated schedule in > both Word & PDF format. You can just send me a list of sessions you'd be > willing to proctor or write your name in the cell in the Word document. You > can also see the schedule on the Web at www.colorado.edu/ATconference. > > > > Look forward to seeing those of you who are attending in a little over a > week. > > > > Cheers, > > Howard > > > > Howard Kramer > Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator > AT Conference Coordinator > Disability Services > CU-Boulder, 107 UCB > Boulder, Co 80309 > 303-492-8672 > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Fri Nov 2 08:20:59 2007 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] incorrect e-mail addresses for ATHEN votes In-Reply-To: <004901c81d2d$4b104370$e130ca50$@com> Message-ID: <471AED28000019A0@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Thanks Pratik. Wink >-- Original Message -- >From: "Pratik Patel" >To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" >Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 04:49:32 -0400 >Subject: Re: [Athen] incorrect e-mail addresses for ATHEN votes >Reply-To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > >Wink, > >If you go to the page again at www.ppatel.org/athen, you will find that the >form now works as it should. There was an errorin the submission script. >That has been corrected. My apologies for the inconvenience. Thank you >for >your patience. > >Pratik > > >Pratik Patel >Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech. >The City University of New York > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Wink Harner >Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:02 AM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: Re: [Athen] incorrect e-mail addresses for ATHEN votes > >Pratik, > >I tried to follow the directions and never got a screen that allowed me to >actually VOTE. I got to look at a list of the candidates. And when I tried >a second time I got an error message. So am uncertain if I was actually >successful. > >In all, it was a pretty confusing and awkward process. Hope this can be >improved. >I do appreciate your help alot! > >Blessings, > >Wink >Ms. Wink Harner >Manager >Disability Resources & Services >Mesa Community College >Mesa, AZ > >wink.harner@mcmail.maricopa.edu > > >>-- Original Message -- >>From: "Pratik Patel" >>To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > >>Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:45:13 -0400 >>Subject: [Athen] incorrect e-mail addresses for ATHEN votes >>Reply-To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > >> >> >>Dear Colleagues, >> >>Many of you will hav received individualized messages with instructions >on >>how to cast your votes for ATHEN officers. However, I have found that >>several messages have been returned as undeliverable. If you have not >>received instructions, please write to me privately at pratikp1@gmail.com >>with an updated e-mail address. I will verify your membership with the >>current list and forward the instructions to you. >> >>Regards, >> >>Pratik >> >> >>Pratik Patel >>Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech >>The City University of New York >>mailto: pratikp1@gmail.com >>PeopleTech Project Site >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Athen mailing list >>Athen@athenpro.org >>http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >Ms. Wink Harner >Manager >Disability Resources & Services >Mesa Community College >Mesa AZ > >480-461-7447 > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Fri Nov 2 08:40:35 2007 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] need proctor help for Conference Message-ID: <20071102094035.AIM54641@robin.int.colorado.edu> Hi Heidi, No problem. I put you down for the 1st two - Tactile Graphics & Wave on Tuesday. Thanks, Howard From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Fri Nov 2 11:48:45 2007 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007-AGENDA ITEMS In-Reply-To: <00e601c80a9e$cf963f60$6ec2be20$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116056B05D5@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><200710091753.l99HrOGq031470@smtp.washington.edu> <00e601c80a9e$cf963f60$6ec2be20$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <004e01c81d80$ff82ca00$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Ron, et al, I assume you want the ATHEN meeting publicized to the whole conference, correct. I.e. this is not restricted to ATHEN members. I wanted to check before I post it on the conference page. Is there a blurb you want me to post about the meeting? Thanks, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:04 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007-AGENDA ITEMS My guess is that they will both be on the agenda for years to come :) Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Terry Thompson Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:53 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007- AGENDA ITEMS Hi Dann, I'll carry my two agenda items over from last year (and the year before, and the year before): - Survey - EDUCAUSE Terry > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:48 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground > 2007- AGENDA ITEMS > > > Greetings one and all - > > The annual ATHEN business meeting at Accessing Higher Ground > is tentatively scheduled for the Thursday, November 8 at 6:00 > PM. Location within the conference site TBD. > > If you have any items you would like added to the Agenda for > the meeting (new business, old business, by-law changes, > items for the record, etc.) > > Please submit all agenda items to me (Dann Berkowitz = djbrky@bu.edu) > > Cheers --- Dann > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From djbrky at bu.edu Fri Nov 2 14:19:06 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 - AGENDA ITEMS References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116056B05D5@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><200710091753.l99HrOGq031470@smtp.washington.edu><00e601c80a9e$cf963f60$6ec2be20$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <004e01c81d80$ff82ca00$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C70F6@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Howard, I am confidant I can speak for the organization on this question. The ATHEN meetings at conferences have always been open to all conference attendees. We actively encourage non-members to learn about the organization and see how they can be part of who we are and what we do. However, only members with up to date enrollment (dues paid) can vote on business matters. I know the meeting is at the usual time (6:00 PM on Thursday) but where is it (meeting room)? Cheers --- Dann (current Membership Coordinator running for Secretary) ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Howard Kramer Sent: Fri 11/2/2007 2:48 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007-AGENDA ITEMS Ron, et al, I assume you want the ATHEN meeting publicized to the whole conference, correct. I.e. this is not restricted to ATHEN members. I wanted to check before I post it on the conference page. Is there a blurb you want me to post about the meeting? Thanks, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:04 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007-AGENDA ITEMS My guess is that they will both be on the agenda for years to come :) Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Terry Thompson Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:53 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007- AGENDA ITEMS Hi Dann, I'll carry my two agenda items over from last year (and the year before, and the year before): - Survey - EDUCAUSE Terry > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:48 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground > 2007- AGENDA ITEMS > > > Greetings one and all - > > The annual ATHEN business meeting at Accessing Higher Ground > is tentatively scheduled for the Thursday, November 8 at 6:00 > PM. Location within the conference site TBD. > > If you have any items you would like added to the Agenda for > the meeting (new business, old business, by-law changes, > items for the record, etc.) > > Please submit all agenda items to me (Dann Berkowitz = djbrky@bu.edu) > > Cheers --- Dann > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 8276 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Fri Nov 2 15:04:15 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007-AGENDA ITEMS In-Reply-To: <004e01c81d80$ff82ca00$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116056B05D5@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><200710091753.l99HrOGq031470@smtp.washington.edu> <00e601c80a9e$cf963f60$6ec2be20$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <004e01c81d80$ff82ca00$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <007e01c81d9c$5edb4070$1c91c150$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Yes please Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:49 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007-AGENDA ITEMS Ron, et al, I assume you want the ATHEN meeting publicized to the whole conference, correct. I.e. this is not restricted to ATHEN members. I wanted to check before I post it on the conference page. Is there a blurb you want me to post about the meeting? Thanks, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:04 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007-AGENDA ITEMS My guess is that they will both be on the agenda for years to come :) Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Terry Thompson Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:53 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007- AGENDA ITEMS Hi Dann, I'll carry my two agenda items over from last year (and the year before, and the year before): - Survey - EDUCAUSE Terry > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:48 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground > 2007- AGENDA ITEMS > > > Greetings one and all - > > The annual ATHEN business meeting at Accessing Higher Ground > is tentatively scheduled for the Thursday, November 8 at 6:00 > PM. Location within the conference site TBD. > > If you have any items you would like added to the Agenda for > the meeting (new business, old business, by-law changes, > items for the record, etc.) > > Please submit all agenda items to me (Dann Berkowitz = djbrky@bu.edu) > > Cheers --- Dann > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Sat Nov 3 12:05:28 2007 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing HigherGround 2007-AGENDA ITEMS In-Reply-To: <007e01c81d9c$5edb4070$1c91c150$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116056B05D5@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><200710091753.l99HrOGq031470@smtp.washington.edu> <00e601c80a9e$cf963f60$6ec2be20$@stewart@dolphinusa.com><004e01c81d80$ff82ca00$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> <007e01c81d9c$5edb4070$1c91c150$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <001c01c81e4c$7fed8740$0e1b0bc6@ad.colorado.edu> Okay, I'll post it on the conference web site. -Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:04 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing HigherGround 2007-AGENDA ITEMS Yes please Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:49 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007-AGENDA ITEMS Ron, et al, I assume you want the ATHEN meeting publicized to the whole conference, correct. I.e. this is not restricted to ATHEN members. I wanted to check before I post it on the conference page. Is there a blurb you want me to post about the meeting? Thanks, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:04 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007-AGENDA ITEMS My guess is that they will both be on the agenda for years to come :) Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Terry Thompson Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:53 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007- AGENDA ITEMS Hi Dann, I'll carry my two agenda items over from last year (and the year before, and the year before): - Survey - EDUCAUSE Terry > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:48 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground > 2007- AGENDA ITEMS > > > Greetings one and all - > > The annual ATHEN business meeting at Accessing Higher Ground > is tentatively scheduled for the Thursday, November 8 at 6:00 > PM. Location within the conference site TBD. > > If you have any items you would like added to the Agenda for > the meeting (new business, old business, by-law changes, > items for the record, etc.) > > Please submit all agenda items to me (Dann Berkowitz = djbrky@bu.edu) > > Cheers --- Dann > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From gdietrich at htctu.net Sun Nov 4 21:25:09 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C70F6@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116056B05D5@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><200710091753.l99HrOGq031470@smtp.washington.edu><00e601c80a9e$cf963f60$6ec2be20$@stewart@dolphinusa.com><004e01c81d80$ff82ca00$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C70F6@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <003c01c81f6c$3c4ff060$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Yes, but the really important question is where are we going after the meeting? I notice that Boulder has a BJ's Brewery. It's at 1125 Pearl Street (303-402-9294). I don't know what their space is like in terms of hosting a group, but it might be worth checking out... ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:19 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 - AGENDAITEMS Howard, I am confidant I can speak for the organization on this question. The ATHEN meetings at conferences have always been open to all conference attendees. We actively encourage non-members to learn about the organization and see how they can be part of who we are and what we do. However, only members with up to date enrollment (dues paid) can vote on business matters. I know the meeting is at the usual time (6:00 PM on Thursday) but where is it (meeting room)? Cheers --- Dann (current Membership Coordinator running for Secretary) ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 7522 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Sun Nov 4 21:43:27 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 In-Reply-To: <003c01c81f6c$3c4ff060$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116056B05D5@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><200710091753.l99HrOGq031470@smtp.washington.edu><00e601c80a9e$cf963f60$6ec2be20$@stewart@dolphinusa.com><004e01c81d80$ff82ca00$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C70F6@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <003c01c81f6c$3c4ff060$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <005a01c81f6e$d1bfca10$753f5e30$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> BJ's is usually a pretty good place for a chain. If this is where we decide to go we could probably see if they have space for a larger group. My guess is the meeting is probably going to go to about 8:00 given the agenda. How many Athenians are attending AHG and would like to plan on this after the meeting? Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:25 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 Yes, but the really important question is where are we going after the meeting? I notice that Boulder has a BJ's Brewery. It's at 1125 Pearl Street (303-402-9294). I don't know what their space is like in terms of hosting a group, but it might be worth checking out... ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:19 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 - AGENDAITEMS Howard, I am confidant I can speak for the organization on this question. The ATHEN meetings at conferences have always been open to all conference attendees. We actively encourage non-members to learn about the organization and see how they can be part of who we are and what we do. However, only members with up to date enrollment (dues paid) can vote on business matters. I know the meeting is at the usual time (6:00 PM on Thursday) but where is it (meeting room)? Cheers --- Dann (current Membership Coordinator running for Secretary) ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 8246 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Sun Nov 4 21:40:07 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 In-Reply-To: <005a01c81f6e$d1bfca10$753f5e30$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116056B05D5@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><200710091753.l99HrOGq031470@smtp.washington.edu><00e601c80a9e$cf963f60$6ec2be20$@stewart@dolphinusa.com><004e01c81d80$ff82ca00$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C70F6@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><003c01c81f6c$3c4ff060$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <005a01c81f6e$d1bfca10$753f5e30$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <009701c81f6e$535370a0$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Me! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:43 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 BJ's is usually a pretty good place for a chain. If this is where we decide to go we could probably see if they have space for a larger group. My guess is the meeting is probably going to go to about 8:00 given the agenda. How many Athenians are attending AHG and would like to plan on this after the meeting? Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:25 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 Yes, but the really important question is where are we going after the meeting? I notice that Boulder has a BJ's Brewery. It's at 1125 Pearl Street (303-402-9294). I don't know what their space is like in terms of hosting a group, but it might be worth checking out... ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:19 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 - AGENDAITEMS Howard, I am confidant I can speak for the organization on this question. The ATHEN meetings at conferences have always been open to all conference attendees. We actively encourage non-members to learn about the organization and see how they can be part of who we are and what we do. However, only members with up to date enrollment (dues paid) can vote on business matters. I know the meeting is at the usual time (6:00 PM on Thursday) but where is it (meeting room)? Cheers --- Dann (current Membership Coordinator running for Secretary) ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 10562 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pratikp1 at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 22:15:25 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 In-Reply-To: <009701c81f6e$535370a0$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116056B05D5@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><200710091753.l99HrOGq031470@smtp.washington.edu><00e601c80a9e$cf963f60$6ec2be20$@stewart@dolphinusa.com><004e01c81d80$ff82ca00$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C70F6@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><003c01c81f6c$3c4ff060$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <005a01c81f6e$d1bfca10$753f5e30$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <009701c81f6e$535370a0$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <01ec01c81f73$4bed92a0$e3c8b7e0$@com> Me three! Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech. The City University of New York From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:40 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 Me! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 9:43 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 BJ's is usually a pretty good place for a chain. If this is where we decide to go we could probably see if they have space for a larger group. My guess is the meeting is probably going to go to about 8:00 given the agenda. How many Athenians are attending AHG and would like to plan on this after the meeting? Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:25 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 Yes, but the really important question is where are we going after the meeting? I notice that Boulder has a BJ's Brewery. It's at 1125 Pearl Street (303-402-9294). I don't know what their space is like in terms of hosting a group, but it might be worth checking out... ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:19 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 - AGENDAITEMS Howard, I am confidant I can speak for the organization on this question. The ATHEN meetings at conferences have always been open to all conference attendees. We actively encourage non-members to learn about the organization and see how they can be part of who we are and what we do. However, only members with up to date enrollment (dues paid) can vote on business matters. I know the meeting is at the usual time (6:00 PM on Thursday) but where is it (meeting room)? Cheers --- Dann (current Membership Coordinator running for Secretary) ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 10254 bytes Desc: not available URL: From clt3 at humboldt.edu Mon Nov 5 05:42:46 2007 From: clt3 at humboldt.edu (clt3@humboldt.edu) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 In-Reply-To: <005a01c81f6e$d1bfca10$753f5e30$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116056B05D5@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><200710091753.l99HrOGq031470@smtp.washington.edu><00e601c80a9e$cf963f60$6ec2be20$@stewart@dolphinusa.com><004e01c81d80$ff82ca00$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C70F6@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <003c01c81f6c$3c4ff060$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <005a01c81f6e$d1bfca10$753f5e30$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <62478.75.111.58.115.1194270166.squirrel@webmail.humboldt.edu> Sounds good to me. Cassandra Tex Assistive Technology Specialist Humboldt State University > BJ's is usually a pretty good place for a chain. If this is where we > decide > to go we could probably see if they have space for a larger group. My > guess is the meeting is probably going to go to about 8:00 given the > agenda. > How many Athenians are attending AHG and would like to plan on this after > the meeting? > > > > Ron > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:25 AM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 > > > > Yes, but the really important question is where are we going after the > meeting? I notice that Boulder has a BJ's Brewery. It's at 1125 Pearl > Street > (303-402-9294). I don't know what their space is like in terms of hosting > a > group, but it might be worth checking out... > > > > ****************************************************** > Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich > High Tech Center Training Unit of the > California Community Colleges > De Anza College, Cupertino, CA > www.htctu.net > 408-996-6043 > > _____ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:19 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 - > AGENDAITEMS > > > > Howard, > > > > I am confidant I can speak for the organization on this question. The > ATHEN > meetings at conferences have always been open to all conference attendees. > We actively encourage non-members to learn about the organization and see > how they can be part of who we are and what we do. However, only members > with up to date enrollment (dues paid) can vote on business matters. > > > > I know the meeting is at the usual time (6:00 PM on Thursday) but where is > it (meeting room)? > > > > Cheers --- Dann (current Membership Coordinator running for Secretary) > > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > > y> www.bu.edu/disability > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From greg at lecshare.com Mon Nov 5 06:02:32 2007 From: greg at lecshare.com (Greg Kraus) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 - AGENDA ITEMS In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C70F6@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116056B05D5@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><200710091753.l99HrOGq031470@smtp.washington.edu><00e601c80a9e$cf963f60$6ec2be20$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <004e01c81d80$ff82ca00$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C70F6@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: Hi Everyone, One thing that would be nice to consider is the meeting time for ATHEN at AHG in light of any vendors that might want to attend the meeting. The Exhibit Hall does not close until 6:30 on Thursday and the ATHEN meeting is scheduled for 6:00. I am not sure how many vendors are members of ATHEN (I am) and want to attend the meeting - I might be the only one. In reality, I and other vendors are usually still busy after 6:30 following up with people, so I don't know how feasible it is to simply move the start time of the meeting. We might still be meeting with people well after 6:30. Perhaps at the meeting this year we could talk about possible solutions to this? Again, I'm not sure how many vendors are actually members of ATHEN, so this might be a fairly minor point. Thanks for your consideration. Greg -- Greg Kraus President LecShare, Inc. 1204 Fairlane Rd. Cary, NC 27511 919.413.2100 (voice) 919.882.1275 (fax) www.lecshare.com On Nov 2, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Berkowitz, Daniel J wrote: > Howard, > > I am confidant I can speak for the organization on this question. > The ATHEN meetings at conferences have always been open to all > conference attendees. We actively encourage non-members to learn > about the organization and see how they can be part of who we are > and what we do. However, only members with up to date enrollment > (dues paid) can vote on business matters. > > I know the meeting is at the usual time (6:00 PM on Thursday) but > where is it (meeting room)? > > Cheers --- Dann (current Membership Coordinator running for Secretary) > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability URL=http://www.bu.edu/disability> > > ________________________________ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Howard Kramer > Sent: Fri 11/2/2007 2:48 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007- > AGENDA ITEMS > > > > Ron, et al, > > I assume you want the ATHEN meeting publicized to the whole > conference, > correct. I.e. this is not restricted to ATHEN members. I wanted to > check > before I post it on the conference page. Is there a blurb you want > me to > post about the meeting? > > Thanks, > Howard > > Howard Kramer > Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator > AT Conference Coordinator > Disability Services > CU-Boulder, 107 UCB > Boulder, Co 80309 > 303-492-8672 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen- > bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Ron Stewart > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:04 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007- > AGENDA > ITEMS > > My guess is that they will both be on the agenda for years to come :) > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen- > bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Terry Thompson > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:53 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007- > AGENDA > ITEMS > > Hi Dann, > > I'll carry my two agenda items over from last year (and the year > before, and > the year before): > > - Survey > - EDUCAUSE > > Terry > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >> [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J >> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:48 AM >> To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >> Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground >> 2007- AGENDA ITEMS >> >> >> Greetings one and all - >> >> The annual ATHEN business meeting at Accessing Higher Ground >> is tentatively scheduled for the Thursday, November 8 at 6:00 >> PM. Location within the conference site TBD. >> >> If you have any items you would like added to the Agenda for >> the meeting (new business, old business, by-law changes, >> items for the record, etc.) >> >> Please submit all agenda items to me (Dann Berkowitz = djbrky@bu.edu) >> >> Cheers --- Dann >> >> >> ========================= >> Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director >> Boston University Office of Disability Services >> 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor >> Boston, MA 02215 >> >> (617) 353-3658 (office) >> (617) 353-9646 (fax) >> djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) >> www.bu.edu/disability >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Mon Nov 5 06:14:23 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 - AGENDA ITEMS In-Reply-To: References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116056B05D5@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><200710091753.l99HrOGq031470@smtp.washington.edu><00e601c80a9e$cf963f60$6ec2be20$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <004e01c81d80$ff82ca00$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C70F6@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <00c401c81fb6$302a5a10$907f0e30$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> If I look at the current list, you are probably our only "vendor" member but some may say that I am a vendor as well. You make a good point and this is a challenge every year, perhaps we want to look at a dinner meeting in the future. But there are other groups in eh exhibit hall as well that may like to attend the meeting Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Greg Kraus Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:03 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 - AGENDA ITEMS Hi Everyone, One thing that would be nice to consider is the meeting time for ATHEN at AHG in light of any vendors that might want to attend the meeting. The Exhibit Hall does not close until 6:30 on Thursday and the ATHEN meeting is scheduled for 6:00. I am not sure how many vendors are members of ATHEN (I am) and want to attend the meeting - I might be the only one. In reality, I and other vendors are usually still busy after 6:30 following up with people, so I don't know how feasible it is to simply move the start time of the meeting. We might still be meeting with people well after 6:30. Perhaps at the meeting this year we could talk about possible solutions to this? Again, I'm not sure how many vendors are actually members of ATHEN, so this might be a fairly minor point. Thanks for your consideration. Greg -- Greg Kraus President LecShare, Inc. 1204 Fairlane Rd. Cary, NC 27511 919.413.2100 (voice) 919.882.1275 (fax) www.lecshare.com On Nov 2, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Berkowitz, Daniel J wrote: Howard, I am confidant I can speak for the organization on this question. The ATHEN meetings at conferences have always been open to all conference attendees. We actively encourage non-members to learn about the organization and see how they can be part of who we are and what we do. However, only members with up to date enrollment (dues paid) can vote on business matters. I know the meeting is at the usual time (6:00 PM on Thursday) but where is it (meeting room)? Cheers --- Dann (current Membership Coordinator running for Secretary) ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Howard Kramer Sent: Fri 11/2/2007 2:48 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007-AGENDA ITEMS Ron, et al, I assume you want the ATHEN meeting publicized to the whole conference, correct. I.e. this is not restricted to ATHEN members. I wanted to check before I post it on the conference page. Is there a blurb you want me to post about the meeting? Thanks, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:04 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007-AGENDA ITEMS My guess is that they will both be on the agenda for years to come :) Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Terry Thompson Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:53 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007- AGENDA ITEMS Hi Dann, I'll carry my two agenda items over from last year (and the year before, and the year before): - Survey - EDUCAUSE Terry -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:48 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007- AGENDA ITEMS Greetings one and all - The annual ATHEN business meeting at Accessing Higher Ground is tentatively scheduled for the Thursday, November 8 at 6:00 PM. Location within the conference site TBD. If you have any items you would like added to the Agenda for the meeting (new business, old business, by-law changes, items for the record, etc.) Please submit all agenda items to me (Dann Berkowitz = djbrky@bu.edu) Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djbrky at bu.edu Mon Nov 5 07:13:45 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 -AGENDA ITEMS In-Reply-To: <00c401c81fb6$302a5a10$907f0e30$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711605F83B72@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Hi Greg, This is an excellent point and we will make sure to schedule better in the future. As the incoming Secretary (running unopposed) one of my objectives for the coming year is to work with the conference sites to do a better job of scheduling business meetings. We want more vendors to be part of this organization and we must keep their logistical needs in mind. However, one of the nice benefits of the AHG conference is the small size that allows anyone to connect with anyone else (such as vendors with ATHEN members) in a relaxed and collegial atmosphere. At present we have a time for the ATHEN meeting (6:00 pm on Thursday) but no location. This may be short notice, but how would the membership feel about the meeting taking place in the exhibit area? Or would the vendors prefer this not happen? Howard - is this possible? Can we get chairs and a screen/projector? ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:14 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 -AGENDA ITEMS If I look at the current list, you are probably our only "vendor" member but some may say that I am a vendor as well. You make a good point and this is a challenge every year, perhaps we want to look at a dinner meeting in the future. But there are other groups in eh exhibit hall as well that may like to attend the meeting Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Greg Kraus Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:03 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 - AGENDA ITEMS Hi Everyone, One thing that would be nice to consider is the meeting time for ATHEN at AHG in light of any vendors that might want to attend the meeting. The Exhibit Hall does not close until 6:30 on Thursday and the ATHEN meeting is scheduled for 6:00. I am not sure how many vendors are members of ATHEN (I am) and want to attend the meeting - I might be the only one. In reality, I and other vendors are usually still busy after 6:30 following up with people, so I don't know how feasible it is to simply move the start time of the meeting. We might still be meeting with people well after 6:30. Perhaps at the meeting this year we could talk about possible solutions to this? Again, I'm not sure how many vendors are actually members of ATHEN, so this might be a fairly minor point. Thanks for your consideration. Greg -- Greg Kraus President LecShare, Inc. 1204 Fairlane Rd. Cary, NC 27511 919.413.2100 (voice) 919.882.1275 (fax) www.lecshare.com On Nov 2, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Berkowitz, Daniel J wrote: Howard, I am confidant I can speak for the organization on this question. The ATHEN meetings at conferences have always been open to all conference attendees. We actively encourage non-members to learn about the organization and see how they can be part of who we are and what we do. However, only members with up to date enrollment (dues paid) can vote on business matters. I know the meeting is at the usual time (6:00 PM on Thursday) but where is it (meeting room)? Cheers --- Dann (current Membership Coordinator running for Secretary) ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Howard Kramer Sent: Fri 11/2/2007 2:48 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007-AGENDA ITEMS Ron, et al, I assume you want the ATHEN meeting publicized to the whole conference, correct. I.e. this is not restricted to ATHEN members. I wanted to check before I post it on the conference page. Is there a blurb you want me to post about the meeting? Thanks, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:04 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007-AGENDA ITEMS My guess is that they will both be on the agenda for years to come :) Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Terry Thompson Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:53 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007- AGENDA ITEMS Hi Dann, I'll carry my two agenda items over from last year (and the year before, and the year before): - Survey - EDUCAUSE Terry -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:48 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007- AGENDA ITEMS Greetings one and all - The annual ATHEN business meeting at Accessing Higher Ground is tentatively scheduled for the Thursday, November 8 at 6:00 PM. Location within the conference site TBD. If you have any items you would like added to the Agenda for the meeting (new business, old business, by-law changes, items for the record, etc.) Please submit all agenda items to me (Dann Berkowitz = djbrky@bu.edu) Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tft at u.washington.edu Mon Nov 5 08:09:24 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 -AGENDAITEMS In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711605F83B72@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <200711051609.lA5G9PW5001792@smtp.washington.edu> I think meeting in the exhibit area would be a challenge -- too many simulteneous conversations. Plus, it wouldn't really solve Greg's problem since he's likely to be talking with customers during meeting time. I think we just need to be sensitive to this in the future, both at AHG and CSUN. If this year's meeting lasts until 8pm as Ron predicts, Greg will still be able to take in most of the meeting. Terry _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 7:14 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Cc: Howard Kramer Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 -AGENDAITEMS Hi Greg, This is an excellent point and we will make sure to schedule better in the future. As the incoming Secretary (running unopposed) one of my objectives for the coming year is to work with the conference sites to do a better job of scheduling business meetings. We want more vendors to be part of this organization and we must keep their logistical needs in mind. However, one of the nice benefits of the AHG conference is the small size that allows anyone to connect with anyone else (such as vendors with ATHEN members) in a relaxed and collegial atmosphere. At present we have a time for the ATHEN meeting (6:00 pm on Thursday) but no location. This may be short notice, but how would the membership feel about the meeting taking place in the exhibit area? Or would the vendors prefer this not happen? Howard - is this possible? Can we get chairs and a screen/projector? ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:14 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 -AGENDA ITEMS If I look at the current list, you are probably our only "vendor" member but some may say that I am a vendor as well. You make a good point and this is a challenge every year, perhaps we want to look at a dinner meeting in the future. But there are other groups in eh exhibit hall as well that may like to attend the meeting Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Greg Kraus Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:03 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 - AGENDA ITEMS Hi Everyone, One thing that would be nice to consider is the meeting time for ATHEN at AHG in light of any vendors that might want to attend the meeting. The Exhibit Hall does not close until 6:30 on Thursday and the ATHEN meeting is scheduled for 6:00. I am not sure how many vendors are members of ATHEN (I am) and want to attend the meeting - I might be the only one. In reality, I and other vendors are usually still busy after 6:30 following up with people, so I don't know how feasible it is to simply move the start time of the meeting. We might still be meeting with people well after 6:30. Perhaps at the meeting this year we could talk about possible solutions to this? Again, I'm not sure how many vendors are actually members of ATHEN, so this might be a fairly minor point. Thanks for your consideration. Greg -- Greg Kraus President LecShare, Inc. 1204 Fairlane Rd. Cary, NC 27511 919.413.2100 (voice) 919.882.1275 (fax) www.lecshare.com On Nov 2, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Berkowitz, Daniel J wrote: Howard, I am confidant I can speak for the organization on this question. The ATHEN meetings at conferences have always been open to all conference attendees. We actively encourage non-members to learn about the organization and see how they can be part of who we are and what we do. However, only members with up to date enrollment (dues paid) can vote on business matters. I know the meeting is at the usual time (6:00 PM on Thursday) but where is it (meeting room)? Cheers --- Dann (current Membership Coordinator running for Secretary) ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Howard Kramer Sent: Fri 11/2/2007 2:48 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007-AGENDA ITEMS Ron, et al, I assume you want the ATHEN meeting publicized to the whole conference, correct. I.e. this is not restricted to ATHEN members. I wanted to check before I post it on the conference page. Is there a blurb you want me to post about the meeting? Thanks, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:04 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007-AGENDA ITEMS My guess is that they will both be on the agenda for years to come :) Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Terry Thompson Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:53 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007- AGENDA ITEMS Hi Dann, I'll carry my two agenda items over from last year (and the year before, and the year before): - Survey - EDUCAUSE Terry -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:48 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007- AGENDA ITEMS Greetings one and all - The annual ATHEN business meeting at Accessing Higher Ground is tentatively scheduled for the Thursday, November 8 at 6:00 PM. Location within the conference site TBD. 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URL: From greg at lecshare.com Mon Nov 5 09:47:06 2007 From: greg at lecshare.com (Greg Kraus) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 -AGENDAITEMS In-Reply-To: <200711051609.lA5G9PW5001792@smtp.washington.edu> References: <200711051609.lA5G9PW5001792@smtp.washington.edu> Message-ID: <5BA3B702-DCCC-4953-AF2D-27FBD15D1116@lecshare.com> I agree that the Exhibit Hall would be too difficult. There's a lot of talking going on, and I think they are still serving food at that time as well. Well, maybe the food is an incentive to have the meeting there. :) I'll just plan on coming to the ATHEN meeting when I get done. It's really not a problem. Maybe we could work out the scheduling a little differently next year. I do wish more vendors would get involved with ATHEN though. Whatever decision gets made for following years, please keep in mind that if I am still the only vendor interested in coming I don't want everything to change just for me. I would rather ATHEN have plenty of time to meet and do the work that needs to be done and I come a little late. Cya in Boulder. Greg -- Greg Kraus President LecShare, Inc. 1204 Fairlane Rd. Cary, NC 27511 919.413.2100 (voice) 919.882.1275 (fax) www.lecshare.com On Nov 5, 2007, at 11:09 AM, Terry Thompson wrote: > I think meeting in the exhibit area would be a challenge -- too > many simulteneous conversations. Plus, it wouldn't really solve > Greg's problem since he's likely to be talking with customers > during meeting time. I think we just need to be sensitive to this > in the future, both at AHG and CSUN. If this year's meeting lasts > until 8pm as Ron predicts, Greg will still be able to take in most > of the meeting. > > Terry > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen- > bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 7:14 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Cc: Howard Kramer > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 - > AGENDAITEMS > > Hi Greg, > > > > This is an excellent point and we will make sure to schedule better > in the future. As the incoming Secretary (running unopposed) one of > my objectives for the coming year is to work with the conference > sites to do a better job of scheduling business meetings. We want > more vendors to be part of this organization and we must keep their > logistical needs in mind. > > > > However, one of the nice benefits of the AHG conference is the > small size that allows anyone to connect with anyone else (such as > vendors with ATHEN members) in a relaxed and collegial atmosphere. > > > > At present we have a time for the ATHEN meeting (6:00 pm on > Thursday) but no location. This may be short notice, but how would > the membership feel about the meeting taking place in the exhibit > area? Or would the vendors prefer this not happen? > > > > Howard ? is this possible? Can we get chairs and a screen/projector? > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen- > bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:14 AM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 - > AGENDA ITEMS > > > > If I look at the current list, you are probably our only ?vendor? > member but some may say that I am a vendor as well. You make a > good point and this is a challenge every year, perhaps we want to > look at a dinner meeting in the future. But there are other > groups in eh exhibit hall as well that may like to attend the meeting > > > > Ron > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen- > bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Greg Kraus > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:03 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 - > AGENDA ITEMS > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > One thing that would be nice to consider is the meeting time for > ATHEN at AHG in light of any vendors that might want to attend the > meeting. The Exhibit Hall does not close until 6:30 on Thursday > and the ATHEN meeting is scheduled for 6:00. I am not sure how > many vendors are members of ATHEN (I am) and want to attend the > meeting - I might be the only one. > > > > In reality, I and other vendors are usually still busy after 6:30 > following up with people, so I don't know how feasible it is to > simply move the start time of the meeting. We might still be > meeting with people well after 6:30. Perhaps at the meeting this > year we could talk about possible solutions to this? Again, I'm > not sure how many vendors are actually members of ATHEN, so this > might be a fairly minor point. > > > > Thanks for your consideration. > > > > Greg > > > > -- > > Greg Kraus > > President > > LecShare, Inc. > > 1204 Fairlane Rd. > > Cary, NC 27511 > > 919.413.2100 (voice) > > 919.882.1275 (fax) > > www.lecshare.com > > > > > > > > On Nov 2, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Berkowitz, Daniel J wrote: > > > > Howard, > > > > I am confidant I can speak for the organization on this question. > The ATHEN meetings at conferences have always been open to all > conference attendees. We actively encourage non-members to learn > about the organization and see how they can be part of who we are > and what we do. However, only members with up to date enrollment > (dues paid) can vote on business matters. > > > > I know the meeting is at the usual time (6:00 PM on Thursday) but > where is it (meeting room)? > > > > Cheers --- Dann (current Membership Coordinator running for Secretary) > > > > ========================= > > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > > Boston University Office of Disability Services > > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > > Boston, MA 02215 > > > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > > www.bu.edu/disability URL=http://www.bu.edu/disability> > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Howard Kramer > > Sent: Fri 11/2/2007 2:48 PM > > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007- > AGENDA ITEMS > > > > > > > > Ron, et al, > > > > I assume you want the ATHEN meeting publicized to the whole > conference, > > correct. I.e. this is not restricted to ATHEN members. I wanted to > check > > before I post it on the conference page. Is there a blurb you want > me to > > post about the meeting? > > > > Thanks, > > Howard > > > > Howard Kramer > > Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator > > AT Conference Coordinator > > Disability Services > > CU-Boulder, 107 UCB > > Boulder, Co 80309 > > 303-492-8672 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen- > bounces@athenpro.org] On > > Behalf Of Ron Stewart > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:04 PM > > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007- > AGENDA > > ITEMS > > > > My guess is that they will both be on the agenda for years to come :) > > > > Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen- > bounces@athenpro.org] On > > Behalf Of Terry Thompson > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:53 PM > > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground 2007- > AGENDA > > ITEMS > > > > Hi Dann, > > > > I'll carry my two agenda items over from last year (and the year > before, and > > the year before): > > > > - Survey > > - EDUCAUSE > > > > Terry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:48 AM > > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground > > 2007- AGENDA ITEMS > > > > > > Greetings one and all - > > > > The annual ATHEN business meeting at Accessing Higher Ground > > is tentatively scheduled for the Thursday, November 8 at 6:00 > > PM. Location within the conference site TBD. > > > > If you have any items you would like added to the Agenda for > > the meeting (new business, old business, by-law changes, > > items for the record, etc.) > > > > Please submit all agenda items to me (Dann Berkowitz = djbrky@bu.edu) > > > > Cheers --- Dann > > > > > > ========================= > > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > > Boston University Office of Disability Services > > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > > Boston, MA 02215 > > > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > > www.bu.edu/disability > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: proctoring.sched.2007.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 226114 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lisa_fiedor at ncsu.edu Mon Nov 5 12:37:22 2007 From: lisa_fiedor at ncsu.edu (Lisa Fiedor) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Proctor Schedule for AHG In-Reply-To: <00bc01c81fda$f16a5b70$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> References: <00bc01c81fda$f16a5b70$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <472F7F02.5060309@ncsu.edu> Hi Howard, I can proctor this session, if you need. Wed, 1:30 - 4:30 Implementing an IT Accessibility Program - From Soup to Nuts Thanks, Lisa Howard Kramer wrote: > Hello All: > > > > Here is the proctor schedule for the conference. I still have some > sessions that could use a proctor. These are indicated with question > marks in the cells. If you?re available to proctor any of these, please > let me know. > > > > Thanks, > > Howard > > > > > > > > Howard Kramer > Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator > AT Conference Coordinator > Disability Services > CU-Boulder, 107 UCB > Boulder, Co 80309 > 303-492-8672 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- -- -- -- Lisa Marie Fiedor Web Accessibility, Usability, & Design Specialist DELTA/Instructional Services/Faculty Support Services Campus Box 7111, NC State University, Raleigh NC 27695-7111 2133 DH Hill Library, East Wing v 919-513-4616 f 919-513-4003 lisa_fiedor@ncsu.edu From ron at ahead.org Mon Nov 5 15:15:52 2007 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: eSN This Week: Low-cost laptop deals heat up Message-ID: <006201c82001$d2bbfa90$7833efb0$@org> Now is this cool or what, you may also be interested in the related AT effort at: http://www.sightsavers.org.uk/What%20We%20Do/Causes%20of%20Blindness/Low%20V ision/Low%20Vision%20Aids/World4840.html Ron From: eSchool News [mailto:eschool.news@eschoolnews.com] Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 6:06 PM To: ron@ahead.org Subject: eSN This Week: Low-cost laptop deals heat up Having difficulty with links? 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URL: From burke at ucla.edu Tue Nov 6 18:58:38 2007 From: burke at ucla.edu (Patrick Burke) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at Accessing Higher Ground2007 In-Reply-To: <003c01c81f6c$3c4ff060$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116056B05D5@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <200710091753.l99HrOGq031470@smtp.washington.edu> <00e601c80a9e$cf963f60$6ec2be20$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <004e01c81d80$ff82ca00$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C70F6@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <003c01c81f6c$3c4ff060$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20071106184939.02e113c8@mail.ucla.edu> At 09:25 PM 11/4/2007, Gaeir Dietrich wrote: >Yes, but the really important question is where are we going after the >meeting? I notice that Boulder has a BJ's Brewery. It's at 1125 Pearl Street >(303-402-9294). I don't know what their space is like in terms of hosting a >group, but it might be worth checking out... I hesitate to send this to the whole list, but ... other post-game locations in Boulder for dedicated Beerhunters include: Boulder Beer Company 2880 Wilderness Place Boulder CO 80301 Telephone: +1 303-444-8448 http://beerme.com/brewery.php?3630 Walnut Brewery (Rock Bottom) Boulder, Colorado, United States 1123 Walnut Street Boulder CO 80302 Telephone: +1 303-447-1345 Brewer: Rodney Taylor http://beerme.com/brewery.php?4317 Old Chicago (eerily similar to BJ's, though no on-site brewing) 1102 Pearl St Boulder, CO 80302 Phone: (303) 443-5031 Of course I defer to the locals / AHG veterans to rule on whether these places are any good. & wherever it's at, please add me to the ATHEN meeting-after-the-meeting list. Patrick, arriving in aprox. 24 hr From pratikp1 at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 22:13:03 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] REMINDER: VOTE FOR OFFICERS Message-ID: <014801c82105$4296a0a0$c7c3e1e0$@com> Hello ATHEN Members, I hope you are all well. I just want to send all of you a quick reminder that the voting for the ATHEN Executive officers is still open. It will close on Thursday November 8, 2007 at 12:00 PM Eastern, 11:00 AM Central, 10:00 AM Mountain, and 9:00 AM Pacific. It takes less than 2 minutes to vote. Really. It's that easy! Members should visit the site provided in the individual e-mail forwarded to you last week to cast a vote. If you did not receive a message with voting instructions, please write to me privately at pratikp1@gmail.com and I will forward your individualized e-mail to you once again. Regards, Pratik Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech The City University of New York mailto: pratikp1@gmail.com PeopleTech Project Site From johumber at iupui.edu Wed Nov 7 07:29:41 2007 From: johumber at iupui.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Itunes U group report Message-ID: Hi! I am still working on my report. Will anyone have email access later today that I could send my report to so they can share it with the group tomorrow? Thankx Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) Office: IT 214E Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 Cell: 847-431-6545 AIM:ATCIUPUI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thankx Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) Office: IT 214E Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 Cell: 847-431-6545 AIM:ATCIUPUI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pwhite3 at exchange.calstatela.edu Thu Nov 8 13:29:51 2007 From: pwhite3 at exchange.calstatela.edu (White, Phillip B.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] 2 questions for campus AT staff In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711605F83B72@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <00c401c81fb6$302a5a10$907f0e30$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711605F83B72@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <249223C7F58DC140A96F27C89DBAF12F02BE84AB@santafe7.academic.ad.calstatela.edu> I am interested to know two factors related to AT. 1 When did your campus create the disability services office? What year? 2 When did the first AT job appear and under what department/office? 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Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:30 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] 2 questions for campus AT staff I am interested to know two factors related to AT. 1 When did your campus create the disability services office? What year? 1975 2 When did the first AT job appear and under what department/office? 1990 in the Office for Disability Services (part of Student Affairs). Thanks Phillip White Accessible Technology Coordinator CSULA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What > year? 1995 > > 2 When did the first AT job appear and under what > department/office? 1992 in the Information Technology dept. where we > still live! > > > > Thanks > > > > Phillip White > > Accessible Technology Coordinator > > CSULA > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From lornas at csufresno.edu Thu Nov 8 17:46:01 2007 From: lornas at csufresno.edu (Lorna Saiz) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] 2 questions for campus AT staff In-Reply-To: <249223C7F58DC140A96F27C89DBAF12F02BE84AB@santafe7.academic.ad.calstatela.edu> References: <00c401c81fb6$302a5a10$907f0e30$%stewart@dolphinusa.com> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711605F83B72@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <249223C7F58DC140A96F27C89DBAF12F02BE84AB@santafe7.academic.ad.calstatela.edu> Message-ID: Started 1978 AT job was part of lab tech job at SSD-1991. Not until the ATI was "AT" job identified as IT. 2002. Lorna Saiz Information Technology Consultant Assistive Technology Coordinator Services for Students with Disabilities Ph:559.278.2811 Fax:559.278.4214 lornas@csufresno.edu http://www.csufresno.edu/ssd ----- Original Message ----- From: "White, Phillip B." Date: Thursday, November 8, 2007 1:35 pm Subject: [Athen] 2 questions for campus AT staff To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > I am interested to know two factors related to AT. > > > > 1 When did your campus create the disability services office? What > year? > > 2 When did the first AT job appear and under what > department/office? > > > Thanks > > > > Phillip White > > Accessible Technology Coordinator > > CSULA > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jongund at uiuc.edu Thu Nov 8 18:09:46 2007 From: jongund at uiuc.edu (Jon Gunderson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] On-Line Web 2.0 Accessibility Course using the emerging W3C ARIA Specifications Message-ID: <20071108200946.AYI00035@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> On-Line Web 2.0 Accessibility Course using the emerging W3C ARIA Specifications More information at: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/courses/web20online Dates and Time * Dates: November 26th to December 19th, 2007 * Days: Monday and Wednesdays * Time: 3:00pm - 4:00pm CST (Chicago Local Time, USA) Location On-line using Elluminate Instructor Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign Past Chair of W3C User Agent Working Group Cost $495 ($295 for employees of state government or higher educational institutions in Illinois) Registration Information http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/courses/web20online/reg.php Overview The on-line course is designed for web developers creating Web 2.0applications to learn about the accessibility of these technologies to people with disabilities. Participants will learn about keyboard support, focus management issues and how to use the emerging W3C Accessible Rich Internet Applications (ARIA) specifications to create accessible Web 2.0 applications. Participants will learn about the accessibility issues faced by people with disabilities in using the web, and how web 2.0 resources can be designed to improve accessibility using the ARIA technologies. Participants will learn about keyboard models, setting keyboard focus, the W3C Roles for ARIA and States and Properties Module for ARIA specifications for making web 2.0 widgets compatible with assistive technologies through ARIA support in Firefox browser and assistive technologies like WindowEyes and JAWS screen readers. Participants will build and test the accessible Web 2.0 widgets using a best practices model and learn about compatibility issues related to supporting ARIA widgets with Microsoft Internet Explorer and creating valid HTML documents. Participant Skills Participants should have web development experience with html, css and javascript technologies. Participants will program and test the accessibility of web widgets created using the new ARIA technology. Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology (DRES) WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/ WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/ From pratikp1 at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 22:08:03 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Election Results Message-ID: <02c901c82296$e5ba26c0$b12e7440$@com> Colleagues, The voting for ATHEN Executive Board completed this morning. Here, for your information, are the results: 1. President: Ron Stewart 2. Vice President: Terry Thompson 3. Secretary: Dan Berkowitz 4. Treasurer: Heidi Scher. There were a total of 30 votes cast by the membership. Congrats to the new officers. It was a pleasure serving as the election monitor--or whatever else you may want to call me for this years elections. Warm regards, Pratik Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech The City University of New York mailto: pratikp1@gmail.com PeopleTech Project Site From wiersmac at uww.edu Fri Nov 9 06:22:13 2007 From: wiersmac at uww.edu (Wiersma, Constance A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Election Results In-Reply-To: <02c901c82296$e5ba26c0$b12e7440$@com> References: <02c901c82296$e5ba26c0$b12e7440$@com> Message-ID: <6A6DDE8A258FF94D86A95DC1898B909E0139590A@facmail3.uww.edu> Thanks for all of your work on this, Pratik! Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:08 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Election Results Colleagues, The voting for ATHEN Executive Board completed this morning. Here, for your information, are the results: 1. President: Ron Stewart 2. Vice President: Terry Thompson 3. Secretary: Dan Berkowitz 4. Treasurer: Heidi Scher. There were a total of 30 votes cast by the membership. Congrats to the new officers. It was a pleasure serving as the election monitor--or whatever else you may want to call me for this years elections. Warm regards, Pratik Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech The City University of New York mailto: pratikp1@gmail.com PeopleTech Project Site _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From wiersmac at uww.edu Fri Nov 9 06:24:42 2007 From: wiersmac at uww.edu (Wiersma, Constance A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] 2 questions for campus AT staff In-Reply-To: <249223C7F58DC140A96F27C89DBAF12F02BE84AB@santafe7.academic.ad.calstatela.edu> References: <00c401c81fb6$302a5a10$907f0e30$@stewart@dolphinusa.com><7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711605F83B72@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <249223C7F58DC140A96F27C89DBAF12F02BE84AB@santafe7.academic.ad.calstatela.edu> Message-ID: <6A6DDE8A258FF94D86A95DC1898B909E0139590C@facmail3.uww.edu> Dear Phillip: The responses to your questions follow: 1. 1970 2. 1989 under the disability services office. Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of White, Phillip B. Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:30 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] 2 questions for campus AT staff I am interested to know two factors related to AT. 1 When did your campus create the disability services office? What year? 2 When did the first AT job appear and under what department/office? Thanks Phillip White Accessible Technology Coordinator CSULA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Director, PeopleTech The City University of New York mailto: pratikp1@gmail.com PeopleTech Project Site _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From cathk at cahs.colostate.edu Sun Nov 11 07:32:47 2007 From: cathk at cahs.colostate.edu (Kilcommons,Cath) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Election Results In-Reply-To: <02c901c82296$e5ba26c0$b12e7440$@com> References: <02c901c82296$e5ba26c0$b12e7440$@com> Message-ID: <63C56460EFB67341A173FCE2F79FF6DD0938E953E0@ODIN.CAHS.ColoState.EDU> Thanks for your work on the election and for your work as an ATHEN vice president! Best, Cath ________________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel [pratikp1@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 11:08 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Election Results Colleagues, The voting for ATHEN Executive Board completed this morning. Here, for your information, are the results: 1. President: Ron Stewart 2. Vice President: Terry Thompson 3. Secretary: Dan Berkowitz 4. Treasurer: Heidi Scher. There were a total of 30 votes cast by the membership. Congrats to the new officers. It was a pleasure serving as the election monitor--or whatever else you may want to call me for this years elections. Warm regards, Pratik Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech The City University of New York mailto: pratikp1@gmail.com PeopleTech Project Site _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From cathk at cahs.colostate.edu Sun Nov 11 07:39:28 2007 From: cathk at cahs.colostate.edu (Kilcommons,Cath) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations Message-ID: <63C56460EFB67341A173FCE2F79FF6DD0938E953E1@ODIN.CAHS.ColoState.EDU> Hi all, I just wanted to share the urls for my presentations from AHG. What is Web 2.0... http://accessibility,colostate.edu/ahg07/ End the Angst - http://accessibility.colostate.edu/ahg07/pre/ Thanks to all who attended. Best, Cath From ea at emptech.info Sun Nov 11 14:13:54 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations In-Reply-To: <63C56460EFB67341A173FCE2F79FF6DD0938E953E1@ODIN.CAHS.ColoState.EDU> References: <63C56460EFB67341A173FCE2F79FF6DD0938E953E1@ODIN.CAHS.ColoState.EDU> Message-ID: <019901c824b0$26c64070$578afea9@laptop> Please may I also say thank you to everyone - I came home on a high having learnt so much and just hope Howard, you have now had a chance to relax a little. I have popped some links and my presentation at http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk/presentations/ and I do apologise Dan B. for trying to spam the blog with comments for 2005 and 2006 not realising the AHG notes were for previous years.... I can only blame an excess of jelly beans and beef jerky not to mention a touch of jet lag! How I miss the 70 degrees and those amazing views from the Flat Irons - Thank you so much Dan C. :>)) Best wishes E.A. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kilcommons,Cath Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 3:39 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations Hi all, I just wanted to share the urls for my presentations from AHG. What is Web 2.0... http://accessibility,colostate.edu/ahg07/ End the Angst - http://accessibility.colostate.edu/ahg07/pre/ Thanks to all who attended. Best, Cath _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.28/1123 - Release Date: 10/11/2007 15:47 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.28/1123 - Release Date: 10/11/2007 15:47 From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Mon Nov 12 05:27:40 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] 2 questions for campus AT staff Message-ID: 1. The disability services office has been around since the mid-70's. I was not here then. 2. I was the first AT person on this campus, and I've been here just over 7 years. I am a member of the IT department, rather than the disability services office. Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of White, Phillip B. Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:30 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] 2 questions for campus AT staff I am interested to know two factors related to AT. 1 When did your campus create the disability services office? What year? 2 When did the first AT job appear and under what department/office? Thanks Phillip White Accessible Technology Coordinator CSULA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Mon Nov 12 08:39:32 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHG thoughts Message-ID: Back in my office after a lovely week in Colorado at the Accessing Higher Ground conference. Wow what an experience this year. I learned more this year than last, and made some new connections, which is wonderful for me. The more networking, the more I don't feel so alone in what I do. Great updated information on eText and Alt Format production, every year I learn one more trick or tip that will keep me moving forward. I also attended some sessions that were out of my normal area of concern, like 508/504 compliance and the Office of Civil Rights lecture. While I might not have direct responsibility for many of these things, it is good to know what laws are backing up what we do. It helps me to better advocate for my needs here. And Dann, you're a fireball as usual, and I thank you for taking the time to talk with me about Daisy. I have a new road to build here regarding Daisy, and you've given me some good tools to work with. Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 From norm.coombs at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 09:05:47 2007 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Digital Books and Players: a 2-part Webinar Series Nov. 15, 29 Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20071112090448.0221cd70@pop.gmail.com> EASI (Equal Access to Software and Information) presents a 2-part Webinar series providing information on the cutting edge of digital e-texts for persons with disabilities which will soon be the standard for students from K-12 through university. DIGITAL BOOKS & PLAYERS, A Two-part Webinar UPDATE Presenter: Robert Lee Beach, Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College Two part free series. Thursday November 15 and 29 - 2PM EASTERN The advent of digital books has made accessing reading materials for individuals with disabilities a more pleasant experience. Sound quality is better and navigation is far superior to the old analog tape books. However, with so many options for players and sources of books, what does one need to be aware of when shopping for reading materials and equipment. In December of 2005, Robert presented a 2-part workshop titled "Why Pick a DAISY" which looked at some of the resources and players for DAISY books. Some changes have happened with both the players and sources. In this presentation, Robert will again discuss some of the sources of books and update you on what is happening with these. Then he will review software and hardware players for digital books and update you on the offerings available today. Included will be a demonstration of the new Victor Stream and a discussion of the new NLS books that are expected to come out in 2008. PART ONE will give a brief description of digital books, where they can be found, and what some of the differences are between books from these sources. Then there will be demonstrations of 3 out of the 4 software players: Book Wizard Reader, Easy-Reader, and Victor ReaderSoft. Part 2 will finish the software player demonstrations with the gh Player. Then there will be demonstrations of 4 hardware players: Victor Classic, Victor Wave, Book Port, and the new Victor Stream. As time permits, other players can be discussed. You need to register for the FREE Digital Talking Books and Players Two Part Series in order to reserve a seat in the virtual presentation room and to receive the login details as well as to receive an archived recording of the presentations shortly after the 2 events. To register, go to: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm (This Webinar is listed about half way down the page.) ---------- ---------- -------- EASI Events for November Webinar 4-part Series Taming PowerPoint and Designing for Accessibility On and Off the Web Read more and register at easi.cc/clinic.htm Month-long Online Course Barrier-free E-learning Read more and register at http//easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs CEO EASI (www.easi.cc) (949) 855-4852 Pacific time zone) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Mon Nov 12 09:40:18 2007 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations Message-ID: <20071112104018.AIT70404@robin.int.colorado.edu> Hi EA, et al, Thank you for a great keynote presentation and everyone else from ATHEN for their help at the conference. Having a network of support really makes the event bearable, even enjoyable. BTW, I will be sending out and posting the evaluations shortly. I did a good deal of napping during the weekend -- my natural mode -- so now I feel up for taking the week off. Thanks again, Howard From djbrky at bu.edu Mon Nov 12 13:35:38 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations References: <20071112104018.AIT70404@robin.int.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C7113@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Some of us were kicking around ideas for next year and realized that somewhere along the way we all missed the fact that this was the 10th anniversary. There should have been more of a celebration. However -- how does this sound for next year ... We celebrate the 11th anniversary by celebrating the idea that "Accessing Higher Ground Goes To 11" Spinal Tap - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhVWJgIzftE The way I see it -- as Access and Educational Technologists our profession is always a little on the periphery. By celebrating the 11th anniversary we celebrate our uniqueness. ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Howard Kramer Sent: Mon 11/12/2007 12:40 PM To: ea@emptech.info; Access Technologists in Higher EducationNetwork Subject: Re: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations Hi EA, et al, Thank you for a great keynote presentation and everyone else from ATHEN for their help at the conference. Having a network of support really makes the event bearable, even enjoyable. BTW, I will be sending out and posting the evaluations shortly. I did a good deal of napping during the weekend -- my natural mode -- so now I feel up for taking the week off. Thanks again, Howard _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 5985 bytes Desc: not available URL: From weems at unm.edu Mon Nov 12 13:37:12 2007 From: weems at unm.edu (Daniel Weems) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Converting Math to Audio Message-ID: <47386504.2F19.00CF.0@unm.edu> Hello Everyone! I am researching the best methods for converting Math into audio. I currently convert Math into Nemeth code but am lacking the process to convert math into audio. Can someone help me out? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Mon Nov 12 13:39:53 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations Message-ID: Anything for a party, eh Dann? I'm in! Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tft at u.washington.edu Mon Nov 12 14:12:36 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C7113@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <200711122212.lACMCbjd024623@smtp.washington.edu> If the timing is right, we could also celebrate Accessing Higher Ground's 11th on 11/11 at 11:11. Terry _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:36 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; ea@emptech.info Subject: Re: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations Some of us were kicking around ideas for next year and realized that somewhere along the way we all missed the fact that this was the 10th anniversary. There should have been more of a celebration. However -- how does this sound for next year ... We celebrate the 11th anniversary by celebrating the idea that "Accessing Higher Ground Goes To 11" Spinal Tap - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhVWJgIzftE The way I see it -- as Access and Educational Technologists our profession is always a little on the periphery. By celebrating the 11th anniversary we celebrate our uniqueness. ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Howard Kramer Sent: Mon 11/12/2007 12:40 PM To: ea@emptech.info; Access Technologists in Higher EducationNetwork Subject: Re: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations Hi EA, et al, Thank you for a great keynote presentation and everyone else from ATHEN for their help at the conference. Having a network of support really makes the event bearable, even enjoyable. BTW, I will be sending out and posting the evaluations shortly. I did a good deal of napping during the weekend -- my natural mode -- so now I feel up for taking the week off. Thanks again, Howard _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 6114 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pratikp1 at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 16:04:58 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations In-Reply-To: <200711122212.lACMCbjd024623@smtp.washington.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C7113@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <200711122212.lACMCbjd024623@smtp.washington.edu> Message-ID: <047001c82588$d721b6b0$85652410$@com> Dan, So, does this mean you'll crank up the guitar to 11 and dance for us? If that's the case, I'm making my reservations now! Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech. The City University of New York From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Terry Thompson Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:13 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations If the timing is right, we could also celebrate Accessing Higher Ground's 11th on 11/11 at 11:11. Terry _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:36 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; ea@emptech.info Subject: Re: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations Some of us were kicking around ideas for next year and realized that somewhere along the way we all missed the fact that this was the 10th anniversary. There should have been more of a celebration. However -- how does this sound for next year ... We celebrate the 11th anniversary by celebrating the idea that "Accessing Higher Ground Goes To 11" Spinal Tap - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhVWJgIzftE The way I see it -- as Access and Educational Technologists our profession is always a little on the periphery. By celebrating the 11th anniversary we celebrate our uniqueness. ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Howard Kramer Sent: Mon 11/12/2007 12:40 PM To: ea@emptech.info; Access Technologists in Higher EducationNetwork Subject: Re: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations Hi EA, et al, Thank you for a great keynote presentation and everyone else from ATHEN for their help at the conference. Having a network of support really makes the event bearable, even enjoyable. BTW, I will be sending out and posting the evaluations shortly. I did a good deal of napping during the weekend -- my natural mode -- so now I feel up for taking the week off. Thanks again, Howard _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 8306 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ea at emptech.info Mon Nov 12 16:17:03 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations In-Reply-To: <047001c82588$d721b6b0$85652410$@com> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C7113@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><200711122212.lACMCbjd024623@smtp.washington.edu> <047001c82588$d721b6b0$85652410$@com> Message-ID: <00dc01c8258a$84f67cc0$578afea9@laptop> Looks like the pre-conference Tuesday could be quite something - I will see how many headsets I can collect on the way over! We are assuming the whole thing will be recorded with navigational elements in the new Daisy flavour 11 Best wishes E.A. ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:05 AM To: tft@u.washington.edu; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations Dan, So, does this mean you?ll crank up the guitar to 11 and dance for us? If that?s the case, I?m making my reservations now! Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech. The City University of New York From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Terry Thompson Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:13 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations If the timing is right, we could also celebrate Accessing Higher Ground's 11th on 11/11 at 11:11. Terry ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:36 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; ea@emptech.info Subject: Re: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations Some of us were kicking around ideas for next year and realized that somewhere along the way we all missed the fact that this was the 10th anniversary. There should have been more of a celebration. However -- how does this sound for next year ... We celebrate the 11th anniversary by celebrating the idea that "Accessing Higher Ground Goes To 11" Spinal Tap - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhVWJgIzftE The way I see it -- as Access and Educational Technologists our profession is always a little on the periphery. By celebrating the 11th anniversary we celebrate our uniqueness. ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Howard Kramer Sent: Mon 11/12/2007 12:40 PM To: ea@emptech.info; Access Technologists in Higher EducationNetwork Subject: Re: [Athen] Resources from AHG presentations Hi EA, et al, Thank you for a great keynote presentation and everyone else from ATHEN for their help at the conference. Having a network of support really makes the event bearable, even enjoyable. BTW, I will be sending out and posting the evaluations shortly. I did a good deal of napping during the weekend -- my natural mode -- so now I feel up for taking the week off. Thanks again, Howard _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.28/1123 - Release Date: 10/11/2007 15:47 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.28/1123 - Release Date: 10/11/2007 15:47 From john.gardner at orst.edu Mon Nov 12 16:18:08 2007 From: john.gardner at orst.edu (John Gardner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Converting Math to Audio In-Reply-To: <47386504.2F19.00CF.0@unm.edu> References: <47386504.2F19.00CF.0@unm.edu> Message-ID: <00a701c8258a$ab80d200$a11919ac@johnz> Hello Dan. Use the MathType editor to put math into MS Word. MathType is the most common math editor in the world, and most universities have site licenses. If you need to buy it, the cost is something like $79 from Design Science, http://dessci.com. >From the MathThype menu, press the "publish to math page" option, and select MathML as the way to represent math. Then you get an XML page, which is XHTML for text and MathML for the math. Install the free MathPlayer plug-in (from Design Science) in Internet Explorer 6 or 7, and use any common screen reader to read the XML page. The Math is spoken. This is the only way I know to generate audio for math except by using a human being. Good luck. _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Weems Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:37 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Converting Math to Audio Hello Everyone! I am researching the best methods for converting Math into audio. I currently convert Math into Nemeth code but am lacking the process to convert math into audio. Can someone help me out? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JElmer at vcccd.edu Mon Nov 12 19:52:17 2007 From: JElmer at vcccd.edu (John Elmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Converting Math to Audio In-Reply-To: <00a701c8258a$ab80d200$a11919ac@johnz> References: <47386504.2F19.00CF.0@unm.edu>, <00a701c8258a$ab80d200$a11919ac@johnz> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hadi at uiuc.edu Mon Nov 12 21:39:39 2007 From: hadi at uiuc.edu (Hadi Rangin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Converting Math to Audio References: <47386504.2F19.00CF.0@unm.edu>, <00a701c8258a$ab80d200$a11919ac@johnz> Message-ID: <001501c825b7$961635e0$0400a8c0@shalizar> Hi John, The method Dr. John Gardner described is the most practical way of crating math in audio format in U.S. You asked: I would be interested to know if anyone can say to what level of math sophistication this (kind of) new technological approach proves effective. As a person who studied math and computer science as blind person in Germany and U.S., and was involved in making math more accessible for blind user, I have real doubt that audio math would be an effective way for learning and interacting with math. Math is not a passive science. You need to manipulate it and actively interact with it in order to learn it and you can not manipulate math with audio effectively and independently. I believe the most effective way for learning and interacting with math for a blind person is reading math with refreshable Braille display. there are several math notations including European and GS notations that can be used to communicate math with others. Hadi ----- Original Message ----- From: John Elmer To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [Athen] Converting Math to Audio While we have not had a need to use this technology since it has become available, we have the requisite software and are ready if needed. In the days prior to this, we did have a blind student who took math through intermediate algebra as well as statistics. Our solution was to scan the book, OCR the text part, then go back in and add all of the math, using written English, as if you were reading the text out loud. This required explaining how this was going to be done with the student and getting the student's input on how to best do so, while also involving the faculty teaching the classes to determine how they were saying things in class. While the student did well in her classes, it was a nightmare to produce, especially since it was, early on, just me doing it along with everything else. I was fortunate, for the later, more complex books, to be able to partner with the Alternate Text Production Center, a program of the Ca. Comm. College system Chancellor's Office, which, conveniently, is located on our campus. They are our single point of contact for getting e-text from publishers and take care of our Braille needs, including Nemeth for math books. BTW, they also do fee for service Brailling and have a catalog of already transcibed books (including math). Already transcribe books, are, as I recall, a real bargain, compared to having something transcribed. You can reach them at: atpcnet.net. The phone # is listed on the website, and the Braille person is Sandy Greenberg. I would be interested to know if anyone can say to what level of math sophistication this (kind of) new technological approach proves effective. John F. Elmer Alternate Media Specialist Ventura College Educational Assistance Center (DSP&S) 4667 Telegraph Road Ventura, CA 93003 805.654.6400, x1278 -----athen-bounces@athenpro.org wrote: ----- To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" From: "John Gardner" Sent by: athen-bounces@athenpro.org Date: 11/12/2007 04:18PM Subject: Re: [Athen] Converting Math to Audio Hello Dan. Use the MathType editor to put math into MS Word. MathType is the most common math editor in the world, and most universities have site licenses. If you need to buy it, the cost is something like $79 from Design Science, http://dessci.com . From the MathThype menu, press the "publish to math page" option, and select MathML as the way to represent math. Then you get an XML page, which is XHTML for text and MathML for the math. Install the free MathPlayer plug-in (from Design Science) in Internet Explorer 6 or 7, and use any common screen reader to read the XML page. The Math is spoken. This is the only way I know to generate audio for math except by using a human being. Good luck. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Weems Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:37 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Converting Math to Audio Hello Everyone! I am researching the best methods for converting Math into audio. I currently convert Math into Nemeth code but am lacking the process to convert math into audio. Can someone help me out? _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Tue Nov 13 06:51:31 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books Message-ID: Anyone know anything about this and whether it will actually work? Or is this pie in the sky... >Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books > >By Elsa Wenzel > >Microsoft and open-source site SourceForge >http://www.sourceforge.net/ will offer a free plug-in early >next year that will convert Office 2007 files to the DAISY >format that translates text to speech. > >The free tool will add a "Save as DAISY" option within Word >2007, 2003 and XP software. DAISY XML files can be read aloud >by speech synthesizers, paired with audio narration and used >to create electronic Braille. Users can navigate open-standard >DAISY documents quickly by jumping between page elements, such >as headers and indexes. > >The DAISY Consortium of 70 nonprofits has aimed since 1996 to >make all published information available to people with visual >impairments and learning disabilities. The acronym stands for >Digital Accessible Information System. > >http://www.daisy.org/ > >Digital narration serves computer users with visual >impairments, people with learning challenges like dyslexia, as >well as those with Parkinsons disease and other conditions >that make it hard to type or hold a book. > >With the release of the Office 2007 suite in January, >Microsoft shunned the popular, XML-based Open Document Format >for its own, new Open XML format. The OOXML documents, which >include Word files with the DOCX extension, are easier to >retrieve if corrupted than the older DOC files. > >Versions of Word prior to 2007 can open OOXML documents after >a one-time download of a free converter from Microsoft. >However, critics gripe that Microsoft's format change was >unnecessary and clumsy. Microsoft maintains that the new >format enables greater flexibility, such as accessibility features. From pratikp1 at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 07:10:01 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05c301c82607$453559d0$cfa00d70$@com> I've been in discussion with the Microsoft Project lead about DAISY and MS Word. It is not pie in the sky. They're looking to create a Save as DAISY option for Microsoft Word. Pratik Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech. The City University of New York -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M. Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:52 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books Anyone know anything about this and whether it will actually work? Or is this pie in the sky... >Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books > >By Elsa Wenzel > >Microsoft and open-source site SourceForge >http://www.sourceforge.net/ will offer a free plug-in early >next year that will convert Office 2007 files to the DAISY >format that translates text to speech. > >The free tool will add a "Save as DAISY" option within Word >2007, 2003 and XP software. DAISY XML files can be read aloud >by speech synthesizers, paired with audio narration and used >to create electronic Braille. Users can navigate open-standard >DAISY documents quickly by jumping between page elements, such >as headers and indexes. > >The DAISY Consortium of 70 nonprofits has aimed since 1996 to >make all published information available to people with visual >impairments and learning disabilities. The acronym stands for >Digital Accessible Information System. > >http://www.daisy.org/ > >Digital narration serves computer users with visual >impairments, people with learning challenges like dyslexia, as >well as those with Parkinsons disease and other conditions >that make it hard to type or hold a book. > >With the release of the Office 2007 suite in January, >Microsoft shunned the popular, XML-based Open Document Format >for its own, new Open XML format. The OOXML documents, which >include Word files with the DOCX extension, are easier to >retrieve if corrupted than the older DOC files. > >Versions of Word prior to 2007 can open OOXML documents after >a one-time download of a free converter from Microsoft. >However, critics gripe that Microsoft's format change was >unnecessary and clumsy. Microsoft maintains that the new >format enables greater flexibility, such as accessibility features. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From pratikp1 at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 07:17:14 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05cc01c82608$47d3b5f0$d77b21d0$@com> Look at the following two links: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2007/nov07/11-13daisy.mspx and http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/nov07/11-13DaisyPR.mspx Pratik Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech. The City University of New York -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M. Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:52 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books Anyone know anything about this and whether it will actually work? Or is this pie in the sky... >Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books > >By Elsa Wenzel > >Microsoft and open-source site SourceForge >http://www.sourceforge.net/ will offer a free plug-in early >next year that will convert Office 2007 files to the DAISY >format that translates text to speech. > >The free tool will add a "Save as DAISY" option within Word >2007, 2003 and XP software. DAISY XML files can be read aloud >by speech synthesizers, paired with audio narration and used >to create electronic Braille. Users can navigate open-standard >DAISY documents quickly by jumping between page elements, such >as headers and indexes. > >The DAISY Consortium of 70 nonprofits has aimed since 1996 to >make all published information available to people with visual >impairments and learning disabilities. The acronym stands for >Digital Accessible Information System. > >http://www.daisy.org/ > >Digital narration serves computer users with visual >impairments, people with learning challenges like dyslexia, as >well as those with Parkinsons disease and other conditions >that make it hard to type or hold a book. > >With the release of the Office 2007 suite in January, >Microsoft shunned the popular, XML-based Open Document Format >for its own, new Open XML format. The OOXML documents, which >include Word files with the DOCX extension, are easier to >retrieve if corrupted than the older DOC files. > >Versions of Word prior to 2007 can open OOXML documents after >a one-time download of a free converter from Microsoft. >However, critics gripe that Microsoft's format change was >unnecessary and clumsy. Microsoft maintains that the new >format enables greater flexibility, such as accessibility features. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From rbeach at kckcc.edu Tue Nov 13 07:21:20 2007 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47396C90020000CF00005D76@mymail.kckcc.edu> Susan, George Kerscher from the DAISY Consortium was a guest speaker in one of my sessions and also gave several talks himself last week at AHG. He told me to keep my ears to the ground on Tuesday for an exciting announcement regarding DAISY. I think this may be it. It's too early to really give any statement, but the promise sure sounds good. Thanks for sharing with us. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> "Kelmer, Susan M." 11/13/2007 8:51 AM >>> Anyone know anything about this and whether it will actually work? Or is this pie in the sky... >Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books > >By Elsa Wenzel > >Microsoft and open-source site SourceForge >http://www.sourceforge.net/ will offer a free plug-in early >next year that will convert Office 2007 files to the DAISY >format that translates text to speech. > >The free tool will add a "Save as DAISY" option within Word >2007, 2003 and XP software. DAISY XML files can be read aloud >by speech synthesizers, paired with audio narration and used >to create electronic Braille. Users can navigate open-standard >DAISY documents quickly by jumping between page elements, such >as headers and indexes. > >The DAISY Consortium of 70 nonprofits has aimed since 1996 to >make all published information available to people with visual >impairments and learning disabilities. The acronym stands for >Digital Accessible Information System. > >http://www.daisy.org/ > >Digital narration serves computer users with visual >impairments, people with learning challenges like dyslexia, as >well as those with Parkinsons disease and other conditions >that make it hard to type or hold a book. > >With the release of the Office 2007 suite in January, >Microsoft shunned the popular, XML-based Open Document Format >for its own, new Open XML format. The OOXML documents, which >include Word files with the DOCX extension, are easier to >retrieve if corrupted than the older DOC files. > >Versions of Word prior to 2007 can open OOXML documents after >a one-time download of a free converter from Microsoft. >However, critics gripe that Microsoft's format change was >unnecessary and clumsy. Microsoft maintains that the new >format enables greater flexibility, such as accessibility features. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Tue Nov 13 07:28:56 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books Message-ID: >I've been in discussion with the Microsoft Project lead about >DAISY and MS Word. It is not pie in the sky. They're looking >to create a Save as DAISY option for Microsoft Word. But is it POSSIBLE. That's what I'm asking. They are talking a year, is this doable? -Susan From accessible.text at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 08:04:26 2007 From: accessible.text at gmail.com (Robert Martinengo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books In-Reply-To: <47396C90020000CF00005D76@mymail.kckcc.edu> References: <47396C90020000CF00005D76@mymail.kckcc.edu> Message-ID: <9edf8160711130804k100b1329h1adffd610fdb71ca@mail.gmail.com> Folks, Maybe I was born with an extra skeptic's gene, but the DAISY Consortium's strategy continues to mystify me. They seem a little too concerned with extending the DAISY 'brand', and this 'save as DAISY' project fits right in with this mindset. How many people are going to go through the trouble of installing an open source plug-in for the opportunity to save files in a format that isn't even 'user ready'? According to DAISY's own newsletter, ' "Save As DAISY XML" creates a DAISY XML file (DTBook) which requires further processing to become a DAISY Digital Talking Book (DTB).' Say what? Isn't this sort of counter to the concept of universal design? They are encouraging people to create two versions of a document, rather than one that everyone can access (maybe the plug-in can stamp documents with a scarlet 'D' for disability) I think the Consortium's resources would be better spent working on a 'universal reader' that can read any type of document as accessibly as possible. -- Bob On Nov 13, 2007 10:21 AM, Robert Beach < rbeach@kckcc.edu> wrote: > Susan, > > George Kerscher from the DAISY Consortium was a guest speaker in one of my > sessions and also gave several talks himself last week at AHG. He told me > to keep my ears to the ground on Tuesday for an exciting announcement > regarding DAISY. I think this may be it. > > It's too early to really give any statement, but the promise sure sounds > good. > > Thanks for sharing with us. > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > Phone: (913) 288-7671 > Fax: (913) 288-7678 > E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > >>> "Kelmer, Susan M." < SKelmer@stlcc.edu> 11/13/2007 8:51 AM >>> > Anyone know anything about this and whether it will actually work? Or > is this pie in the sky... > > > >Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books > > > >By Elsa Wenzel > > > >Microsoft and open-source site SourceForge > >http://www.sourceforge.net/ will offer a free plug-in early > >next year that will convert Office 2007 files to the DAISY > >format that translates text to speech. > > > >The free tool will add a "Save as DAISY" option within Word > >2007, 2003 and XP software. DAISY XML files can be read aloud > >by speech synthesizers, paired with audio narration and used > >to create electronic Braille. Users can navigate open-standard > >DAISY documents quickly by jumping between page elements, such > >as headers and indexes. > > > >The DAISY Consortium of 70 nonprofits has aimed since 1996 to > >make all published information available to people with visual > >impairments and learning disabilities. The acronym stands for > >Digital Accessible Information System. > > > > http://www.daisy.org/ > > > >Digital narration serves computer users with visual > >impairments, people with learning challenges like dyslexia, as > >well as those with Parkinsons disease and other conditions > >that make it hard to type or hold a book. > > > >With the release of the Office 2007 suite in January, > >Microsoft shunned the popular, XML-based Open Document Format > >for its own, new Open XML format. The OOXML documents, which > >include Word files with the DOCX extension, are easier to > >retrieve if corrupted than the older DOC files. > > > >Versions of Word prior to 2007 can open OOXML documents after > >a one-time download of a free converter from Microsoft. > >However, critics gripe that Microsoft's format change was > >unnecessary and clumsy. Microsoft maintains that the new > >format enables greater flexibility, such as accessibility features. > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Tue Nov 13 08:45:23 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books Message-ID: >George Kerscher from the DAISY Consortium was a guest speaker >in one of my sessions and also gave several talks himself last >week at AHG. He told me to keep my ears to the ground on >Tuesday for an exciting announcement regarding DAISY. I think >this may be it. I was on a different track this year with my workshops and lectures, so I missed his. I would love to think this could work, it would be a wonderful alternative to all the hand-coding that is required with DAISY work these days. I keep looking for quick easy solutions. -Susan From gerrynies at mail.und.nodak.edu Tue Nov 13 07:07:20 2007 From: gerrynies at mail.und.nodak.edu (Gerry Nies) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Just a thought about ATHENS In-Reply-To: <006201c82001$d2bbfa90$7833efb0$@org> References: <006201c82001$d2bbfa90$7833efb0$@org> Message-ID: <473969AA.5B96.00E0.0@mail.und.nodak.edu> Lets look at getting some sort of sticker or something that could go on our name tags that says "I'm a member of ATHENS" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at htctu.net Tue Nov 13 09:55:55 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Converting Math to Audio In-Reply-To: <47386504.2F19.00CF.0@unm.edu> References: <47386504.2F19.00CF.0@unm.edu> Message-ID: <002e01c8261e$70bb0c00$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> > I am researching the best methods for converting Math into audio. I am going to echo John G's response about using MathType with MS Word and then exporting to a MathML-based Web page. I have done a few presentations on this process and you can view those at http://www.htctu.net/publications/conferences/main.htm . The only other option is to use human speech to describe the equation, but from a user's perspective it becomes a bit more difficult to "walk through" the equation. Hadi Rangin wrote: > Math is not a passive science. You need to manipulate it and actively interact with it in order to learn it > and you can not manipulate math with audio effectively and independently. To a certain extent, I think it depends on the level of math you are working with and the skill set of the individual, but Hadi raises a very important point should not be missed - *interacting* with math content provides a much richer learning experience. To date, I cannot point to a single solution that is the most effective as it really depends on the student and it may take a combination of different solutions to provide for an effective learning opportunity. Gaeir Dietrich (alternate media specialist at the HTCTU) came up with some guidelines to consider when working with students who are blind/visually-impaired and math - see attached PDF. Take care, Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IdeasTeachingMathBlind.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 15518 bytes Desc: not available URL: From weems at unm.edu Tue Nov 13 10:46:54 2007 From: weems at unm.edu (Daniel Weems) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Converting Math to Audio Message-ID: <47398EAE.2F19.00CF.0@unm.edu> Excellent. Thank you John. >>> "John Gardner" 11/12/2007 5:18 PM >>> Hello Dan. Use the MathType editor to put math into MS Word. MathType is the most common math editor in the world, and most universities have site licenses. If you need to buy it, the cost is something like $79 from Design Science, http://dessci.com. >From the MathThype menu, press the "publish to math page" option, and select MathML as the way to represent math. Then you get an XML page, which is XHTML for text and MathML for the math. Install the free MathPlayer plug-in (from Design Science) in Internet Explorer 6 or 7, and use any common screen reader to read the XML page. The Math is spoken. This is the only way I know to generate audio for math except by using a human being. Good luck. From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Weems Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:37 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Converting Math to Audio Hello Everyone! I am researching the best methods for converting Math into audio. I currently convert Math into Nemeth code but am lacking the process to convert math into audio. Can someone help me out? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.gardner at orst.edu Tue Nov 13 11:17:11 2007 From: john.gardner at orst.edu (John Gardner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Converting Math to Audio In-Reply-To: <47398EAE.2F19.00CF.0@unm.edu> References: <47398EAE.2F19.00CF.0@unm.edu> Message-ID: <000801c82629$cb0a65b0$a11919ac@johnz> Hello listers. I have a short doc file that I've been sending to people who are starting to use this new MathType/MathPlayer technology to make math accessible. This technology is really easy, but one has to set or reset some Word or MathType options properly. These are my notes on those settings. Since one should not send attachments on the list, I am just copying it below FYI. Hope it's helpful to anybody needing to make math accessible. John Notes on using MathPlayer plug-in to Internet Explorer MathPlayer is a MathML plug-in to Internet Explorer and is available free from Design Science, http://www.dessci.com. No other web browsers need a plug-in to show MathML, but IE does. Fortunately MathPlayer is accessible to screen readers. Math in other web browsers is not. Math is read in words only, because there is no practical way to display real math braille to a screen reader. * IE6 does not recognize the XML extension, so XHTML/MathML files should be given extension XHTML to display properly. * IE will display MathML correctly in web files but needs its security settings changed a bit to read files on the hard drive. Notes below on how to change those settings * You can export MathML files from MS Word if you have the Design Science MathType Editor. See procedure below. Topic: Changing Internet Explorer Security settings in IE6 and IE7 go to Tools/Internet Options. Choose the "Advanced" tab Scroll down about 80% of the way until you get to the "security" section. Click on the second item: Allow active content to run in files on My Computer You might also want to click on the first item in Security: Allow active content from CDs to run on My Computer Topic: Exporting MathML files from MS Word/MathType To export a document, make sure you use either the "Export to MathPage" button on the Word toolbar or the "Export to MathPage..." menu item in the MathType menu in Word. [Now called "publish to Math Page" in MathType 6.0] In the dialog that comes up, make sure you check "MathML using". I recommend selecting either XHTML+MathML or "MathPlayer (IE behavior)". Use the latter only if you know that you (or anyone else) will only be viewing it in IE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmhaven at stanford.edu Tue Nov 13 11:58:50 2007 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Job opening at Stanford University Message-ID: Hi everyone! This letter is to announce a job opening at Stanford -- mine! After seven-and-a-half years with Stanford's Office of Accessible Education (OAE), I've decided to change course slightly (more about that below). My last day will be in early January 2008. First, the job listing: Go to http://jobs.stanford.edu/find_a_job.html, scroll down to Keyword, and type "28052" (the job number). If you're interested, you can even apply for the job online (click "Apply" at the end of the description for instructions). This job is a bit different from most assistive technology-related positions. Note that it's located within the Stanford University Libraries, not the OAE itself. Even though I coordinate AT resources for the OAE and provide programmatic leadership, I do that as part of Stanford's Academic Technology Specialist Program. The ATSP is a highly collaborative group of technology experts tasked with developing and implementing technologies to enhance teaching and learning at Stanford. In a way, we bridge the IT and academic communities, exploring innovative uses of technology to serve the goals of our respective departments and of the University in general. As you'll see in the job posting, a major component of this particular ATS position is to lead campus efforts in Universal Design for Learning. Check out the ATS Program at https://www.stanford.edu/group/ats/cgi-bin/drupal/?q=node/19. It's an awesome group with an exciting directive. So why am I leaving? Two reasons, actually. I've worked in AT and rehab engineering for over 20 years, and one of my greatest professional joys is using assistive technology to improve the quality of someone's life. I used to work directly with individuals a lot more than I do now, and I miss that. Secondly, I had the unfortunate opportunity last year to experience loss of a major life function - and the need for AT - from the other side of the fence. While only for four (very challenging) months, the experience gave me a fresh perspective and re-inspired me to pursue a livelihood making a direct difference in people's lives. So I'm going back to providing end-user services (primarily in the K-12 environment), with a focus on AT for learning disabilities. I will remain in the Bay Area, so I hope I'll have a chance to continue working with some of you in some context. All the best, Shelley Haven **-*-*--*--*---*---*--*--*-*-** Rachael M. Haven (Shelley) ATP, RET Academic Technology Specialist/Technology Coordinator, Office of Accessible Education Stanford University rmhaven@stanford.edu (650) 725-6173 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tex at humboldt.edu Tue Nov 13 12:03:12 2007 From: tex at humboldt.edu (Cassandra Tex) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] 2 questions for campus AT staff In-Reply-To: <249223C7F58DC140A96F27C89DBAF12F02BE84AB@santafe7.academic .ad.calstatela.edu> References: <00c401c81fb6$302a5a10$907f0e30$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711605F83B72@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <249223C7F58DC140A96F27C89DBAF12F02BE84AB@santafe7.academic.ad.calstatela.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20071113115956.01bce5b8@humboldt.edu> Hi Phillip, 1 When did your campus create the disability services office? What year? 1976 2 When did the first AT job appear and under what department/office? I've been working in this position since May 1999. The position technically hasn't been classified as a technical position since 1999. In Spring 2003, the position was re-classified as being technical (ITC). The position is in the Student Disability Resource Center - part of Student Affairs. Cassandra Tex Assistive Technology Specialist Humboldt State University At 01:29 PM 11/8/2007, White, Phillip B. wrote: >Content-class: urn:content-classes:message >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8224E.7F56BBB8" > >I am interested to know two factors related to AT. > >1 When did your campus create the disability services office? What year? >2 When did the first AT job appear and under what department/office? > >Thanks > >Phillip White >Accessible Technology Coordinator >CSULA >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:45 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books >George Kerscher from the DAISY Consortium was a guest speaker >in one of my sessions and also gave several talks himself last >week at AHG. He told me to keep my ears to the ground on >Tuesday for an exciting announcement regarding DAISY. I think >this may be it. I was on a different track this year with my workshops and lectures, so I missed his. I would love to think this could work, it would be a wonderful alternative to all the hand-coding that is required with DAISY work these days. I keep looking for quick easy solutions. -Susan _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From jeano at uwm.edu Tue Nov 13 14:10:45 2007 From: jeano at uwm.edu (Jean Salzer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] question regarding Braille/embossed Calculus and Computer Science textbooks Message-ID: <473A20E5.5030409@uwm.edu> Hello all, I've been contacted by a small private school who is in need of support in more than one area. First, they are in need of several textbooks for the spring semester. They have made requests to non-profit organizations and been told it will take 'about a year' to complete the books. Otherwise, they're looking at about $20,000 per textbook, which I know is not out of the realm of possibilities. If anyone is aware of already completed books from this list, please let me know and I'll forward the information to the school. Here is the list of books. Introduction to Java Programming-Comprehensive version,(6^th edition) by Y.Daniel Liang ISBN: 0132221586. Publisher: Prentice Hall Calculus and its Applications (11^th edition) by Goldstein, Lay, Schneider, and Asmar ISBN-13: 9780131919631. Publisher: Prentice Hall Architecture of Computer Hardware and Systems Software (3^rd edition) by Irv Englander ISBN:9780471073253. Publisher: Wiley If at all possible, they'll need two sets for each book - or the electronic files - already configured for embossing. This is a brother and sister duo. Second, they purchased a tiger embosser with the intent of creating their own books, and have run into problems with regard to training to use the embosser. Does anyone know a good contact for this for the upper midwest? Thanks, Jean -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Unless the original document is completely edited down to header styles and etc., the output will be just as much crap as it would be from any other un-edited file. -Susan From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Tue Nov 13 14:23:22 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: The College Opportunity and Affordability Act Message-ID: <014701c82643$cd2d6df0$678849d0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> You may find it beneficial to look at the accessibility language of the amendments to the Higher Ed. Act reauthorization. If you do a keyword search on key terminology you should find it all. If you agree with what this is proposing perhaps a letter of support or a call to your congress person may be in order. As I understand it this is on a fast track to a vote. http://edlabor.house.gov/bills/HEAReauthorizationText.pdf Ron Stewart, Prez Access Technologists Higher Education Network From djbrky at bu.edu Tue Nov 13 14:42:02 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books References: Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C7127@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> My vote for best list-serv comment of the year! "the output will be just as much crap as it would be from any other un-edited file" ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Kelmer, Susan M. Sent: Tue 11/13/2007 5:12 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books >Good afternoon, as I understand it what this plugin will >provide is XMLDocBook conformant content. The quality of this >XML content will be dependent on the quality of the structure >of the document that is "Saved as DAISY". The second issue is >when will this be available and what will the quality of it be >as an opensource endeavor. You are still going to need >something to turn it into "readable" DAISY content. That's exactly what I thought. Unless the original document is completely edited down to header styles and etc., the output will be just as much crap as it would be from any other un-edited file. -Susan _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ea at emptech.info Tue Nov 13 15:46:50 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books In-Reply-To: <05cc01c82608$47d3b5f0$d77b21d0$@com> References: <05cc01c82608$47d3b5f0$d77b21d0$@com> Message-ID: <00ef01c8264f$7734a5b0$0b01a8c0@laptop> Now on the news http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9815836-7.html?tag=nefd.blgs Best wishes E.A. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:17 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books Look at the following two links: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2007/nov07/11-13daisy.mspx and http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/nov07/11-13DaisyPR.mspx Pratik Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech. The City University of New York -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M. Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:52 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books Anyone know anything about this and whether it will actually work? Or is this pie in the sky... >Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books > >By Elsa Wenzel > >Microsoft and open-source site SourceForge http://www.sourceforge.net/ >will offer a free plug-in early next year that will convert Office 2007 >files to the DAISY format that translates text to speech. > >The free tool will add a "Save as DAISY" option within Word 2007, 2003 >and XP software. DAISY XML files can be read aloud by speech >synthesizers, paired with audio narration and used to create electronic >Braille. Users can navigate open-standard DAISY documents quickly by >jumping between page elements, such as headers and indexes. > >The DAISY Consortium of 70 nonprofits has aimed since 1996 to make all >published information available to people with visual impairments and >learning disabilities. The acronym stands for Digital Accessible >Information System. > >http://www.daisy.org/ > >Digital narration serves computer users with visual impairments, people >with learning challenges like dyslexia, as well as those with >Parkinsons disease and other conditions that make it hard to type or >hold a book. > >With the release of the Office 2007 suite in January, Microsoft shunned >the popular, XML-based Open Document Format for its own, new Open XML >format. The OOXML documents, which include Word files with the DOCX >extension, are easier to retrieve if corrupted than the older DOC >files. > >Versions of Word prior to 2007 can open OOXML documents after a >one-time download of a free converter from Microsoft. >However, critics gripe that Microsoft's format change was unnecessary >and clumsy. Microsoft maintains that the new format enables greater >flexibility, such as accessibility features. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.28/1123 - Release Date: 10/11/2007 15:47 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.28/1123 - Release Date: 10/11/2007 15:47 From gdietrich at htctu.net Tue Nov 13 18:21:44 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] question regarding Braille/embossed Calculus and Computer Science textbooks In-Reply-To: <473A20E5.5030409@uwm.edu> References: <473A20E5.5030409@uwm.edu> Message-ID: <004801c82665$1a580e70$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> I did not see these exact books, but both the ATPC (www.atpc.net) and APH (www.aph.org) have calculus books in Braille. It can be far cheaper to get a book that has already been put into Braille and see if the instructor is willing to work with that book. Nemeth math Braille is incredibly expensive. Believe it or not $20,000 for a Calculus book in Braille is so cheap that I would have to wonder about the quality... ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Jean Salzer Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:11 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] question regarding Braille/embossed Calculus and Computer Science textbooks Hello all, I've been contacted by a small private school who is in need of support in more than one area. First, they are in need of several textbooks for the spring semester. They have made requests to non-profit organizations and been told it will take 'about a year' to complete the books. Otherwise, they're looking at about $20,000 per textbook, which I know is not out of the realm of possibilities. If anyone is aware of already completed books from this list, please let me know and I'll forward the information to the school. Here is the list of books. Introduction to Java Programming-Comprehensive version,(6^th edition) by Y.Daniel Liang ISBN: 0132221586. Publisher: Prentice Hall Calculus and its Applications (11^th edition) by Goldstein, Lay, Schneider, and Asmar ISBN-13: 9780131919631. Publisher: Prentice Hall Architecture of Computer Hardware and Systems Software (3^rd edition) by Irv Englander ISBN:9780471073253. Publisher: Wiley If at all possible, they'll need two sets for each book - or the electronic files - already configured for embossing. This is a brother and sister duo. Second, they purchased a tiger embosser with the intent of creating their own books, and have run into problems with regard to training to use the embosser. Does anyone know a good contact for this for the upper midwest? Thanks, Jean From gdietrich at htctu.net Tue Nov 13 18:33:02 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Quick and Easy DAISY (was Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004901c82666$ae654050$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hi! I have not been pushing the DAISY solution that we use here at the HTCTU, and it has been occurring to me lately that not doing so may be a mistake. (If for no other reason than the fact that folks think quick, easy DAISY is unrealistic.) We worked with a company out of Sweden called Phoneticom to customize a DAISY tool for us. The time that it takes me to create a DAISY book beyond what it would take anyway to scan and OCR the book is about 15-30 minutes...and I mean to mark-up a 400+ page book. The DAISY itself is compiled on a server, so once the mark-up is done, so it the computer time. When the project is completed, you receive an e-mail and download your book. We do not hand-code page numbers (that is automatic), and we retain both graphics and the one-to-one page correspondence. The mark-up of headings is done quickly and easily in MS Word and consists of simply applying word styles to chapter headings and adding title and copyright information to the first page. The books always validate and work with all DAISY players. If anyone wants more details, please let me know. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M. Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:45 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books >George Kerscher from the DAISY Consortium was a guest speaker >in one of my sessions and also gave several talks himself last >week at AHG. He told me to keep my ears to the ground on >Tuesday for an exciting announcement regarding DAISY. I think >this may be it. I was on a different track this year with my workshops and lectures, so I missed his. I would love to think this could work, it would be a wonderful alternative to all the hand-coding that is required with DAISY work these days. I keep looking for quick easy solutions. -Susan _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From pratikp1 at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 23:10:27 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: [Dtb-talk] Urgent-Action Needed by 6 PM Today Regarding Accessible Textbooks Message-ID: <000d01c8268d$714e9a00$53ebce00$@com> Dear Colleagues, I am forwarding this document on without any comment. Least to say, I find the alert quite interesting. Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech. The City University of New York -----Original Message----- From: dtb-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org [mailto:dtb-talk-bounces@nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:19 PM To: blindtlk@nfbnet.org; nfb-talk@nfbnet.org; diabetes-talk@nfbnet.org; promotion-technology@nfbnet.org; nabs-l@nfbnet.org; nfbcs@nfbnet.org; nfb-announce@nfbnet.org; nfbmo@nfbnet.org; nfb-science@nfbnet.org; journalists@nfbnet.org; gui-talk@nfbnet.org; blindkid@nfbnet.org; napub@nfbnet.org; nabop@nfbnet.org; blparent@nfbnet.org; jobs@nfbnet.org; cabs-talk@nfbnet.org; nfb-river-city@nfbnet.org; nfbsf@nfbnet.org; nfbc-info@nfbnet.org; nfbofncp@nfbnet.org; trainer-talk@nfbnet.org; tops-2005@nfbnet.org; rocketon@nfbnet.org; nopbc-board@nfbnet.org; nabs-presidents@nfbnet.org; nfbwatlk@nfbnet.org; nfb-idaho@nfbnet.org; mt-blind@nfbnet.org; cabs@nfbnet.org; colorado-talk@nfbnet.org; nfbaz-talk@nfbnet.org; mabs@nfbnet.org; oabs@nfbnet.org; greater-baltimore@nfbnet.org; nfbf-l@nfbnet.org; 4alabama@nfbnet.org; vabs@nfbnet.org; mn-abs@nfbnet.org; nfbmi-talk@nfbnet.org; mi-abs@nfbnet.org; il-talk@nfbnet.org; iabs-talk@nfbnet.org; nebraska-students@nfbnet.org; tn-talk@nfbnet.org; vendtalk@nfbnet.org; nagdu@nfbnet.org; nyagdu@nfbnet.org; ag-eq@nfbnet.org; arizona-students@nfbnet.org; nfb-kzoo@nfbnet.org; nabentre@nfbnet.org; nfbj@nfbnet.org; nfb-db@nfbnet.org; nfb-fundraising@nfbnet.org; faith-talk@nfbnet.org; lions-ed@nfbnet.org; nfb-lions@nfbnet.org; ncme-mentoring@nfbnet.org; nfbwv-talk@nfbnet.org; blindlaw@nfbnet.org; caps@nfbnet.org; nfb-editors@nfbnet.org; humanser@nfbnet.org; rehab@nfbnet.org; nfbpnotk@nfbnet.org; musictlk@nfbnet.org; nosb@nfbnet.org; stylist@nfbnet.org; sportsandrec@nfbnet.org; nobe-l@nfbnet.org; travelandtourism@nfbnet.org; teachvib@nfbnet.org; nfb-web@nfbnet.org; ccb-alumni@nfbnet.org; la-students@nfbnet.org; nfb-cars@nfbnet.org; nfb-hi@nfbnet.org; nfbkabs@nfbnet.org; nfbkpbc@nfbnet.org; nfbofncp@nfbnet.org; tabs@nfbnet.org; njabs-talk@nfbnet.org; perform-talk@nfbnet.org; nfbaffiliatepresidents@nfbnet.org; mentoringexcellencestatecoordinators@nfbnet.org; nfb-krafters-korner@nfbnet.org; nfb-or@nfbnet.org; blind-rollers@nfbnet.org; blindvet-talk@nfbnet.org; ncabs@nfbnet.org; new-hampshire-students@nfbnet.org; nfb-new-hampshire@nfbnet.org; nfbespanol-talk@nfbnet.org; nh-north-country@nfbnet.org; dtb-talk@nfbnet.org; electronics-talk@nfbnet.org Subject: [Dtb-talk] Urgent-Action Needed by 6 PM Today Regarding Accessible Textbooks >From: Hartle, Jesse >To: undisclosed-recipients: >Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:59 PM >Subject: Urgent-Action Needed by 6 PM Today Regarding Accessible Textbooks > > > >Fellow Federationists: > > > > We have an urgent need to defeat > language proposed for a bill that goes to mark > up Wednesday, November 14, 2007. The language is Section 766A in H.R. 4137. > > > >On Monday, November 5, 2007, we received >proposed bill language for a Commission designed >to study issues concerning the accessibility of >textbooks in higher education, and also charged >with developing a model project that would be >designed to support systems that were currently >in place. We expressed concerns relating to the >composition of the Commission. First >problem: The membership as described by the >legislation involved minimal input from >consumers, while being more favorable to the >publishing community. Second problem: The >pilot program is scheduled to last a minimum of >one year longer than the Commission, and, worse >yet, could extend longer than one year if the >Secretary of Education chooses to extend the >pilot program. This language, if included in >the bill, would continue to delay access to >information for blind students in institutions >of Higher Education, possibly for years to come. > > > >We submitted revised language to the Committee >asking that a majority of the Commission be >composed of individuals with print >disabilities. We told them that if the >Commission was not consumer-driven, then little >significance would come from this >legislation. We also urged the Committee to >strengthen the purpose of the Commission, from >merely studying the problem, to developing >legislation to be enacted by Congress. When >bill H.R. 4137 was introduced, however, we >learned that none of our suggested changes to >improve this legislation for blind people were included. > > > >This bill is scheduled to be marked up tomorrow, >Wednesday, November 14, 2007 so you need to call immediately. > > > >We need you to make two calls: > >1. Call Chairman George Miller's office at >(202) 225-2095. He is the Chairman of the House >Committee on Education and Labor. Tell him that >section 766A will not help blind college >students and urge him to have it removed. > >2. If your Representative is on the below >list of Education and Labor Committee members, >you need to call him or her. Tell your >representative that section 766A will not help >blind college students and urge him or her to vote to have it removed. > > > > > >I have included a list of the members of the >House Education and Labor Committee below with >their phone numbers. You can also be connected >with Congressional offices by calling the >Capitol switchboard at (202) 225-3121. Please >find your state in the lists below and call now, >then get your neighbors to call. Ask relatives >and friends who live in other states to make these calls as well. > > > >Thank you all very much for your help on this >urgent matter. If you have any questions, >please call me at (410) 659-9314, extension >2233, or e-mail me at jhartle@nfb.org. > > > >House Committee on Education and Labor > >Full Committee > >11/13/07 > > > >Rep. George Miller (D CA-7), Chair > > > >Majority (27 D): > > > >Rep. George Miller (D CA-7) 202-225-2095 > >Rep. Dale E. Kildee (D MI-5) 202-225-3611 > >Rep. Donald M. Payne (D NJ-10) 202-225-3436 > >Rep. Robert E. Andrews (D NJ-1) 202-225-6501 > >Rep. Robert C. Scott (D VA-3) 202-225-8351 > >Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D CA-6) 202-225-5161 > >Rep. Rub?n Hinojosa (D TX-15) 202-225-2531 > >Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D NY-4) 202-225-5516 > >Rep. John F. Tierney (D MA-6) 202-225-8020 > >Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich (D OH-10) 202-225-5871 > >Rep. David Wu (D OR-1) 202-225-0855 > >Rep. Rush Holt (D NJ-12) 202-225-5801 > >Rep. Susan Davis (D CA-53) 202-225-2040 > >Rep. Danny K. Davis (D IL-7) 202-225-5006 > >Rep. Ra?l M. Grijalva (D AZ-7) 202-225-2435 > >Rep. Timothy H. Bishop (D NY-1) 202-225-3826 > >Rep. Linda S?nchez (D CA-39) 202-225-6676 > >Rep. John P. Sarbanes (D MD-3) 202-225-4016 > >Rep. Joe Sestak (D PA-7) 202-225-2011 > >Rep. Dave Loebsack (D IA-2) 202-225-6576 > >Rep. Mazie K. Hirono (D HI-2) 202-225-4906 > >Rep. Jason Altmire (D PA-4) 202-225-2565 > >Rep. John Yarmuth (D KY-3) 202-225-5401 > >Rep. Phil Hare (D IL-17) 202-225-5905 > >Rep. Yvette Clarke (D NY-11) 202-225-6231 > >Rep. Joe Courtney (D CT-2) 202-225-2076 > >Rep. Carol Shea-Porter (D NH-1) 202-225-5456 > > > >Minority (22 R): > > > >Rep. Howard P. Buck McKeon (R CA-25) 202-225-1956 > >Rep. Thomas E. Petri (R WI-6) 202-225-2476 > >Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R MI-2) 202-225-4401 > >Rep. Michael N. Castle (R DE-At Large) 202-225-4165 > >Rep. Mark Souder (R IN-3) 202-225-4436 > >Rep. Vernon J. Ehlers (R MI-3) 202-225-3831 > >Rep. Judy Biggert (R IL-13) 202-225-3515 > >Rep. Todd Russell Platts (R PA-19) 202-225-5836 > >Rep. Ric Keller (R FL-8) 202-225-2176 > >Rep. Joe Wilson (R SC-2) 202-225-2452 > >Rep. John Kline (R MN-2) 202-225-2271 > >Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R WA-5) 202-225-2006 > >Rep. Kenny Marchant (R TX-24) 202-225-6605 > >Rep. Tom Price (R GA-6) 202-225-4501 > >Res. Comm. Luis G. Fortu?o (R ) 202-225-2615 > >Rep. Charles Boustany Jr. (R LA-7) 202-225-2031 > >Rep. Virginia Foxx (R NC-5) 202-225-2071 > >Rep. Randy Kuhl (R NY-29) 202-225-3161 > >Rep. Rob Bishop (R UT-1) 202-225-0453 > >Rep. David Davis (R TN-1) 202-225-6356 > >Rep. Tim Walberg (R MI-7) 202-225-6276 > >Rep. Dean Heller (R NV-2) 202-225-6155 > > > >Question: "How do you eat an elephant?" > > > >Answer: "One bite at a time." > >--A little philosophy from Dr. Kenneth Jernigan > > > > > David Andrews and white cane Harry. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Legislative Alert 11-13-074.doc Type: application/msword Size: 37888 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00314.txt URL: From accessible.text at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 03:18:39 2007 From: accessible.text at gmail.com (Robert Martinengo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C7127@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C7127@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <9edf8160711140318o396c54e2kdce686b81d87ed38@mail.gmail.com> 'Garbage in, garbage out' - still says it all. On Nov 13, 2007 5:42 PM, Berkowitz, Daniel J wrote: > My vote for best list-serv comment of the year! > > "the output will be just as much crap as it would be from any other > un-edited file" > > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability < > https://xmsweb.bu.edu/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.bu.edu/disability > > > > ________________________________ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Kelmer, Susan M. > Sent: Tue 11/13/2007 5:12 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books > > > > >Good afternoon, as I understand it what this plugin will > >provide is XMLDocBook conformant content. The quality of this > >XML content will be dependent on the quality of the structure > >of the document that is "Saved as DAISY". The second issue is > >when will this be available and what will the quality of it be > >as an opensource endeavor. You are still going to need > >something to turn it into "readable" DAISY content. > > That's exactly what I thought. Unless the original document is > completely edited down to header styles and etc., the output will be > just as much crap as it would be from any other un-edited file. > > -Susan > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pratikp1 at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 03:36:53 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books In-Reply-To: <9edf8160711140318o396c54e2kdce686b81d87ed38@mail.gmail.com> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C7127@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <9edf8160711140318o396c54e2kdce686b81d87ed38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003901c826b2$a952cff0$fbf86fd0$@com> Well, One reason to start creating well-structured documents-if you haven't started to do so already. Pratik Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech. The City University of New York From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Martinengo Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:19 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books 'Garbage in, garbage out' - still says it all. On Nov 13, 2007 5:42 PM, Berkowitz, Daniel J wrote: My vote for best list-serv comment of the year! "the output will be just as much crap as it would be from any other un-edited file" ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability < https://xmsweb.bu.edu/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.bu.edu/disability > ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dick.banks at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 05:23:15 2007 From: dick.banks at gmail.com (Dick Banks) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Details concerning the Microsoft Save as DAISY XML In-Reply-To: <005401c826bc$e35f9b60$056512c6@LENOVO> References: <005401c826bc$e35f9b60$056512c6@LENOVO> Message-ID: <6441e6a70711140523t98e627bu909fd97aca4735a4@mail.gmail.com> Straight from the horses mouth. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: George Kerscher Date: Nov 14, 2007 6:49 AM Subject: Details concerning the Microsoft Save as DAISY XML To: EASI@listserv.icors.org Dear All, Sorry for the cross posting. Here is authoritative information concerning the announcement: On November 13, 2007, Microsoft Corp. and the Digital Accessible Information SYstem (DAISY) Consortium announced a joint standards-based development project that will make it possible for computer users who are blind or print disabled to make better use of assistive technology in their daily lives. A reference model for other Open XML solution providers, this open technical collaboration project on SourceForge.net will yield a free, downloadable plug-in for Microsoft Office Word that can convert Open XML-based documents into DAISY XML, the foundation of the globally accepted DAISY Standard for reading and publishing navigable multimedia content. The Board, membership and staff of the DAISY Consortium welcome this opportunity to collaborate with Microsoft and we look forward to the release of "Save As DAISY XML" early next year. Additional information is available on the DAISY Web site and from Microsoft. Important links are: The DAISY Planet newsletter: http://www.daisy.org/news/newsletters/planet-2007-11.shtml DAISY News item: http://www.daisy.org/news/index.shtml#newsitem339 Microsoft Press Release: http://www.daisy.org/news/attachments/MS-Save-As-DAISY-pressrelease.doc Microsoft Press Pass Feature: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2007/nov07/11-13daisy.mspx Video interview With Markus Gylling, DAISY Consortium International Technical Development Coordinator and Reed Shaffner, Microsoft Office Team http://www.mseventseurope.com/teched/07/itforum/news/Pages/day2.aspx For additional information please contact: *George Kerscher, Secretary General, DAISY Consortium, (406) 549-4687, (406) 544-2466 (cell), kerscher@montana.com *Lynn Leith, Head of Information Services, DAISY Consortium, (905) 304-9398, lynn.leith@gmail.com -- Dick Banks CTO - EASI: Equal Access to Software and Information Online Courses Starting Dec. 3 Syllabus for Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming http://easi.cc/workshops/bfel.htm From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Wed Nov 14 05:38:12 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books Message-ID: >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >[mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J >My vote for best list-serv comment of the year! > >"the output will be just as much crap as it would be from any >other un-edited file" Thanks you, thank you. I'll be playing all week. Be sure to tip your waitstaff. -Susan From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Wed Nov 14 06:02:21 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Quick and Easy DAISY (was Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books) In-Reply-To: <004901c82666$ae654050$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <004901c82666$ae654050$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <004801c826c7$0d813ca0$2883b5e0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> The system Gaeir is talking is a viable system for a system wide solution but it is not without its issues as well. There is no silver bullet at this point but good progress is being made on a variety of fronts. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:33 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Quick and Easy DAISY (was Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books) Hi! I have not been pushing the DAISY solution that we use here at the HTCTU, and it has been occurring to me lately that not doing so may be a mistake. (If for no other reason than the fact that folks think quick, easy DAISY is unrealistic.) We worked with a company out of Sweden called Phoneticom to customize a DAISY tool for us. The time that it takes me to create a DAISY book beyond what it would take anyway to scan and OCR the book is about 15-30 minutes...and I mean to mark-up a 400+ page book. The DAISY itself is compiled on a server, so once the mark-up is done, so it the computer time. When the project is completed, you receive an e-mail and download your book. We do not hand-code page numbers (that is automatic), and we retain both graphics and the one-to-one page correspondence. The mark-up of headings is done quickly and easily in MS Word and consists of simply applying word styles to chapter headings and adding title and copyright information to the first page. The books always validate and work with all DAISY players. If anyone wants more details, please let me know. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M. Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:45 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: Microsoft Word files to serve as talking books >George Kerscher from the DAISY Consortium was a guest speaker >in one of my sessions and also gave several talks himself last >week at AHG. He told me to keep my ears to the ground on >Tuesday for an exciting announcement regarding DAISY. I think >this may be it. I was on a different track this year with my workshops and lectures, so I missed his. I would love to think this could work, it would be a wonderful alternative to all the hand-coding that is required with DAISY work these days. I keep looking for quick easy solutions. -Susan _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From hadi at uiuc.edu Wed Nov 14 06:43:46 2007 From: hadi at uiuc.edu (Hadi Rangin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Before you forward an e-mail References: <000d01c8268d$714e9a00$53ebce00$@com> Message-ID: <002801c826cc$c2f2b910$e15dae80@ita16> Hello everyone on the list, Could you please clean up the header of the postings you are forwarding? As you all know we have a few screen reader users on this list and I believe you all also know the potential problems reading e-mails with screen readers on the web or via e-mail clients. There is no easy way to move to the body of the forwarded e-mail in particular if the forwarded e-mail itself is forwarded. By removing all unnecessary header information, you would make reading e-mails for screen reader a lot more easier, faster and pleasurable. Thanks, Hadi From Crabb.15 at osu.edu Wed Nov 14 07:31:41 2007 From: Crabb.15 at osu.edu (Crabb, Nolan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft and Daisy Plug-ins In-Reply-To: <003901c826b2$a952cff0$fbf86fd0$@com> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C7127@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <9edf8160711140318o396c54e2kdce686b81d87ed38@mail.gmail.com> <003901c826b2$a952cff0$fbf86fd0$@com> Message-ID: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE201113D83@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> I think the point Pratik made on this list today about crafting well-structured word files is an excellent one. I'm a little concerned by the attitude of almost-dismissal regarding the Microsoft plug-in. Some of us, particularly those of us who rely on screen readers, remember well the horrors of the '90s when getting Microsoft to pay any attention at all to accessibility issues was, for a time, nearly impossible. It's all well and good to draft clever one-liners on this list about garbage files and crap files. But somewhere nestled amongst those clever one-liners can perhaps be a couple of lines of celebratory text. Granted, this plug-in will not be the end-all and be-all, rendering all other DAISY creating processes obsolete. But this is one old access tech dinosaur who remembers the nightmares of Internet Explorer 4.0, which was far worse than 3.5 in terms of access, and who can't help but extend a heart-felt congratulations to the DAISY Consortium folks and frankly to Microsoft, for that matter, for even getting started on this project. The Microsoft Word 2007 plug-in for PDF creation isn't perfect either, but if the Word file was well constructed and the creator paid careful attention to using styles and so forth, it's not terrible. It comes pretty close to creating an accessible PDF file--not perfect, but pretty close. For that matter, the Duxbury folks have long advocated the use of styles in Word as one way to create even better more accurate braille formatting and translations. Those who fail to do that can create legendarily awful braille! I know! I've seen it! :-) Yet, we don't dismiss Duxbury out of hand for at least trying to integrate its product with Word's file structure. Today, after many years and iterations of software, a student who needs something brailled and who has the hardware and software necessary to do it can create highly usable braille for him or herself. Not always, of course. We all know of thousands of instances where tables, charts, and graphs are problematic for all but the most expert among us. But those of us who remember hand-transcribed braille with all its oddities and length of production time will be among that small cadre of folks who can recognize that we've made huge strides in terms of quality braille production. This little seemingly not-too-significant plug-in may be the beginning of what will someday become a highly automated DAISY creation process. After all, if someone who neither reads braille nor knows much about it can, by following closely the styles and other elements of a well-structured Word file, create beautifully formatted material in many circumstances, , surely the day will come when the DAISY process experiences similar benchmarks of success. We do well, it seems to me, to celebrate what progress now is and hope for additional progress tomorrow. Perhaps the reminder that none of us will be replaced any time soon by highly automated software will allow us to celebrate the positive things this plug-in and all the behind-the-scenes efforts it represents on all sides means. The fact that Microsoft is even willing to educate itself somewhat concerning DAISY is, to those of us who remember darker times, nothing short of a pre-holiday miracle. Best Wishes, Nolan Nolan Crabb Director of Assistive Technology The Ohio State University 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 Ph. (614) 735-8688 E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu From rbeach at kckcc.edu Wed Nov 14 08:02:50 2007 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft and Daisy Plug-ins In-Reply-To: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE201113D83@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C7127@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <9edf8160711140318o396c54e2kdce686b81d87ed38@mail.gmail.com> <003901c826b2$a952cff0$fbf86fd0$@com> <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE201113D83@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <473AC7CA020000CF00005F2D@mymail.kckcc.edu> Excellent points, Nolan and Pratic. I realize that the editing process is still the major issue with alt format production, and I doubt we'll get away from that any time soon. However, this plug-in just might help train folks on the importance of well structured files. Personally, I'm glad to know MS is at least taking notice. Hats off to the DAISY consortium as well. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> "Crabb, Nolan" 11/14/2007 9:31 AM >>> I think the point Pratik made on this list today about crafting well-structured word files is an excellent one. I'm a little concerned by the attitude of almost-dismissal regarding the Microsoft plug-in. Some of us, particularly those of us who rely on screen readers, remember well the horrors of the '90s when getting Microsoft to pay any attention at all to accessibility issues was, for a time, nearly impossible. It's all well and good to draft clever one-liners on this list about garbage files and crap files. But somewhere nestled amongst those clever one-liners can perhaps be a couple of lines of celebratory text. Granted, this plug-in will not be the end-all and be-all, rendering all other DAISY creating processes obsolete. But this is one old access tech dinosaur who remembers the nightmares of Internet Explorer 4.0, which was far worse than 3.5 in terms of access, and who can't help but extend a heart-felt congratulations to the DAISY Consortium folks and frankly to Microsoft, for that matter, for even getting started on this project. The Microsoft Word 2007 plug-in for PDF creation isn't perfect either, but if the Word file was well constructed and the creator paid careful attention to using styles and so forth, it's not terrible. It comes pretty close to creating an accessible PDF file--not perfect, but pretty close. For that matter, the Duxbury folks have long advocated the use of styles in Word as one way to create even better more accurate braille formatting and translations. Those who fail to do that can create legendarily awful braille! I know! I've seen it! :-) Yet, we don't dismiss Duxbury out of hand for at least trying to integrate its product with Word's file structure. Today, after many years and iterations of software, a student who needs something brailled and who has the hardware and software necessary to do it can create highly usable braille for him or herself. Not always, of course. We all know of thousands of instances where tables, charts, and graphs are problematic for all but the most expert among us. But those of us who remember hand-transcribed braille with all its oddities and length of production time will be among that small cadre of folks who can recognize that we've made huge strides in terms of quality braille production. This little seemingly not-too-significant plug-in may be the beginning of what will someday become a highly automated DAISY creation process. After all, if someone who neither reads braille nor knows much about it can, by following closely the styles and other elements of a well-structured Word file, create beautifully formatted material in many circumstances, , surely the day will come when the DAISY process experiences similar benchmarks of success. We do well, it seems to me, to celebrate what progress now is and hope for additional progress tomorrow. Perhaps the reminder that none of us will be replaced any time soon by highly automated software will allow us to celebrate the positive things this plug-in and all the behind-the-scenes efforts it represents on all sides means. The fact that Microsoft is even willing to educate itself somewhat concerning DAISY is, to those of us who remember darker times, nothing short of a pre-holiday miracle. Best Wishes, Nolan Nolan Crabb Director of Assistive Technology The Ohio State University 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 Ph. (614) 735-8688 E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Wed Nov 14 07:58:58 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft and Daisy Plug-ins Message-ID: >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >[mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Crabb, Nolan >Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:32 AM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: [Athen] Microsoft and Daisy Plug-ins > >I think the point Pratik made on this list today about >crafting well-structured word files is an excellent one. I'm >a little concerned by the attitude of almost-dismissal >regarding the Microsoft plug-in. >Some of us, particularly those of us who rely on screen >readers, remember well the horrors of the '90s when getting >Microsoft to pay any attention at all to accessibility issues >was, for a time, nearly impossible. It's all well and good to >draft clever one-liners on this list about garbage files and >crap files. But somewhere nestled amongst those clever >one-liners can perhaps be a couple of lines of celebratory >text. Your point is taken. However, there is nothing to celebrate about a product that doesn't do any more than products that are already on the market. What value is it if it is just one more of the same? I agree, perfect styling of the original document is the key to good DAISY production. I am actively looking for the "magic bullet" and am not afraid to say so. I want a document to come out of the scanner with most of this work already done. I am tired of spending hours and hours going through a document to code styles, I'm tired of training temporary workers to do it. I'm especially tired of taking page headers and footers and putting them where they belong; I opt for deleting them (and page numbers as well) in an effort to save time. I want a product that can take that book from scanner to DAISY conversion without my fingerprints having to be all over it in a multi-step process. It is time-consuming and ineffective, as I always make mistakes and as far as I'm concerned these documents are substandard when they are done. I realize no electronic product is going to take me to perfection at this point, but if it can take me partway there, giving me more time to edit what needs to be edited, perfection takes a huge step forward. At AHG I heard the goal was "less than one minute per page." Oh, how I'd love to say we can accomplish that, but with the exception of a rare few books, there is no way we're only spending 1 minute per page to scan, OCR, manual edit, and push to audio or other format that the student needs. I recently spent almost 30 hours on an 85-page book filled with images, graphics, tables, charts, hand-written text, etc. I might as well have typed the book by hand by the time I got done messing with it. The TCO on that one went WAY over the top. Until we have OCR that can place styles, headers, and footers, and until we have tools that take those files and turn them easily from the OCR'd text to the final output, we will still be behind the 8 ball on this one. When I hear of a product that is supposed to help, I'm skeptical, since I've been fooled before. And I do feel the new Microsoft initiative is no different than any of the other tools that have been developed out there so far. -Susan Kelmer From norm.coombs at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 09:55:20 2007 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft and Daisy Plug-ins In-Reply-To: <473AC7CA020000CF00005F2D@mymail.kckcc.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C7127@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <9edf8160711140318o396c54e2kdce686b81d87ed38@mail.gmail.com> <003901c826b2$a952cff0$fbf86fd0$@com> <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE201113D83@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> <473AC7CA020000CF00005F2D@mymail.kckcc.edu> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20071114095332.0222f640@pop.gmail.com> I want to agree with the positive remarks by Nolan and Robert. If someone thinks that some piece of software will act like magic and create great text, it won't happen. We will always need a thoughtful, intelligent author. But this means that such an author can make DAISY files easily using software that they already use daily. Norm At 08:02 AM 11/14/2007, you wrote: >Excellent points, Nolan and Pratic. I realize that the editing process is >still the major issue with alt format production, and I doubt we'll get >away from that any time soon. However, this plug-in just might help train >folks on the importance of well structured files. > >Personally, I'm glad to know MS is at least taking notice. Hats off to >the DAISY consortium as well. > > > > >Robert Lee Beach >Assistive Technology Specialist >Kansas City Kansas Community College >7250 State Avenue >Kansas City, KS 66112 >Phone: (913) 288-7671 >Fax: (913) 288-7678 >E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > >>> "Crabb, Nolan" 11/14/2007 9:31 AM >>> >I think the point Pratik made on this list today about crafting >well-structured word files is an excellent one. I'm a little concerned >by the attitude of almost-dismissal regarding the Microsoft plug-in. >Some of us, particularly those of us who rely on screen readers, >remember well the horrors of the '90s when getting Microsoft to pay any >attention at all to accessibility issues was, for a time, nearly >impossible. It's all well and good to draft clever one-liners on this >list about garbage files and crap files. But somewhere nestled amongst >those clever one-liners can perhaps be a couple of lines of celebratory >text. Granted, this plug-in will not be the end-all and be-all, >rendering all other DAISY creating processes obsolete. But this is one >old access tech dinosaur who remembers the nightmares of Internet >Explorer 4.0, which was far worse than 3.5 in terms of access, and who >can't help but extend a heart-felt congratulations to the DAISY >Consortium folks and frankly to Microsoft, for that matter, for even >getting started on this project. > >The Microsoft Word 2007 plug-in for PDF creation isn't perfect either, >but if the Word file was well constructed and the creator paid careful >attention to using styles and so forth, it's not terrible. It comes >pretty close to creating an accessible PDF file--not perfect, but pretty >close. > >For that matter, the Duxbury folks have long advocated the use of styles >in Word as one way to create even better more accurate braille >formatting and translations. Those who fail to do that can create >legendarily awful braille! I know! I've seen it! :-) Yet, we don't >dismiss Duxbury out of hand for at least trying to integrate its product >with Word's file structure. > >Today, after many years and iterations of software, a student who needs >something brailled and who has the hardware and software necessary to do >it can create highly usable braille for him or herself. Not always, of >course. We all know of thousands of instances where tables, charts, and >graphs are problematic for all but the most expert among us. But those >of us who remember hand-transcribed braille with all its oddities and >length of production time will be among that small cadre of folks who >can recognize that we've made huge strides in terms of quality braille >production. This little seemingly not-too-significant plug-in may be >the beginning of what will someday become a highly automated DAISY >creation process. After all, if someone who neither reads braille nor >knows much about it can, by following closely the styles and other >elements of a well-structured Word file, create beautifully formatted >material in many circumstances, , surely the day will come when the >DAISY process experiences similar benchmarks of success. We do well, it >seems to me, to celebrate what progress now is and hope for additional >progress tomorrow. Perhaps the reminder that none of us will be >replaced any time soon by highly automated software will allow us to >celebrate the positive things this plug-in and all the behind-the-scenes >efforts it represents on all sides means. The fact that Microsoft is >even willing to educate itself somewhat concerning DAISY is, to those of >us who remember darker times, nothing short of a pre-holiday miracle. > >Best Wishes, > >Nolan > > > > > > > >Nolan Crabb >Director of Assistive Technology >The Ohio State University >2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 > >Ph. (614) 735-8688 >E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ---------- ---------- -------- EASI Events for November Webinar 4-part Series Taming PowerPoint and Designing for Accessibility On and Off the Web Read more and register at easi.cc/clinic.htm Month-long Online Course Barrier-free E-learning Read more and register at http//easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs CEO EASI (www.easi.cc) (949) 855-4852 Pacific time zone) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Wed Nov 14 10:05:18 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft and Daisy Plug-ins Message-ID: Norm wrote: I want to agree with the positive remarks by Nolan and Robert. If someone thinks that some piece of software will act like magic and create great text, it won't happen. We used to think that about voice recognition, too. "It'll never work" we said. Then Dragon 9 came out and worked better out of the box than anything we could have imagined even a year or two ago. I believe this will happen with book production too. "It'll never work," we say. Well, it may not happen in the next six months or year, but I'm laying odds it's going to happen and in a relatively short amount of time. The hand-production of these alternate formats is going to become so easy and fast that we will be able to say, "finally, something that works!" -Susan Kelmer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pratikp1 at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 10:40:38 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft and Daisy Plug-ins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <018901c826ed$e95fbf50$bc1f3df0$@com> Susan, Your dream is going to be a reality very soon. Unfortunately I can't say much more at this point. Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech. The City University of New York -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M. Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:59 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft and Daisy Plug-ins >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >[mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Crabb, Nolan >Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:32 AM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: [Athen] Microsoft and Daisy Plug-ins > >I think the point Pratik made on this list today about >crafting well-structured word files is an excellent one. I'm >a little concerned by the attitude of almost-dismissal >regarding the Microsoft plug-in. >Some of us, particularly those of us who rely on screen >readers, remember well the horrors of the '90s when getting >Microsoft to pay any attention at all to accessibility issues >was, for a time, nearly impossible. It's all well and good to >draft clever one-liners on this list about garbage files and >crap files. But somewhere nestled amongst those clever >one-liners can perhaps be a couple of lines of celebratory >text. Your point is taken. However, there is nothing to celebrate about a product that doesn't do any more than products that are already on the market. What value is it if it is just one more of the same? I agree, perfect styling of the original document is the key to good DAISY production. I am actively looking for the "magic bullet" and am not afraid to say so. I want a document to come out of the scanner with most of this work already done. I am tired of spending hours and hours going through a document to code styles, I'm tired of training temporary workers to do it. I'm especially tired of taking page headers and footers and putting them where they belong; I opt for deleting them (and page numbers as well) in an effort to save time. I want a product that can take that book from scanner to DAISY conversion without my fingerprints having to be all over it in a multi-step process. It is time-consuming and ineffective, as I always make mistakes and as far as I'm concerned these documents are substandard when they are done. I realize no electronic product is going to take me to perfection at this point, but if it can take me partway there, giving me more time to edit what needs to be edited, perfection takes a huge step forward. At AHG I heard the goal was "less than one minute per page." Oh, how I'd love to say we can accomplish that, but with the exception of a rare few books, there is no way we're only spending 1 minute per page to scan, OCR, manual edit, and push to audio or other format that the student needs. I recently spent almost 30 hours on an 85-page book filled with images, graphics, tables, charts, hand-written text, etc. I might as well have typed the book by hand by the time I got done messing with it. The TCO on that one went WAY over the top. Until we have OCR that can place styles, headers, and footers, and until we have tools that take those files and turn them easily from the OCR'd text to the final output, we will still be behind the 8 ball on this one. When I hear of a product that is supposed to help, I'm skeptical, since I've been fooled before. And I do feel the new Microsoft initiative is no different than any of the other tools that have been developed out there so far. -Susan Kelmer _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Wed Nov 14 10:43:37 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft and Daisy Plug-ins Message-ID: >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >[mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel >Susan, > >Your dream is going to be a reality very soon. Unfortunately >I can't say much more at this point. Trust me, I've heard it blowing on the wind...that's why I know it's close, that a breakthrough is coming. I'm looking forward to it. I could turn my dream of turning books around in a day instead of 4-10 days a reality if the software was there to do the job. -Susan Kelmer From dmurphy at collegeofthedesert.edu Wed Nov 14 11:55:39 2007 From: dmurphy at collegeofthedesert.edu (Daryl Murphy) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft and Daisy Plug-ins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <866D94404CE9D049B12203795063D4DC748125@Dccdmail3.dccd.cc.ca.us> There is a lot of speculation of what Microsoft will provide in the this Free add-in. Yes, as with any type of documents, including HTML (which daisy uses), or just as a student English paper, format and style is the key. I suggest we wait and see what the plug-in will be designed to do. As with any plug-in, it is designed to make our jobs easier. The one plug-in that comes with Vista or as a free download for XP is one that very few people use or just don't understand what it does. That's the Microsoft document XPS writer. It produces a print view for any printer. It doesn't have the hang-ups that a Pdf file might have, JAWS or any screen reader has no problem reading it, or just a text reader. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M. Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 07:59 To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft and Daisy Plug-ins >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >[mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Crabb, Nolan >Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:32 AM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: [Athen] Microsoft and Daisy Plug-ins > >I think the point Pratik made on this list today about >crafting well-structured word files is an excellent one. I'm >a little concerned by the attitude of almost-dismissal >regarding the Microsoft plug-in. >Some of us, particularly those of us who rely on screen >readers, remember well the horrors of the '90s when getting >Microsoft to pay any attention at all to accessibility issues >was, for a time, nearly impossible. It's all well and good to >draft clever one-liners on this list about garbage files and >crap files. But somewhere nestled amongst those clever >one-liners can perhaps be a couple of lines of celebratory >text. Your point is taken. However, there is nothing to celebrate about a product that doesn't do any more than products that are already on the market. What value is it if it is just one more of the same? I agree, perfect styling of the original document is the key to good DAISY production. I am actively looking for the "magic bullet" and am not afraid to say so. I want a document to come out of the scanner with most of this work already done. I am tired of spending hours and hours going through a document to code styles, I'm tired of training temporary workers to do it. I'm especially tired of taking page headers and footers and putting them where they belong; I opt for deleting them (and page numbers as well) in an effort to save time. I want a product that can take that book from scanner to DAISY conversion without my fingerprints having to be all over it in a multi-step process. It is time-consuming and ineffective, as I always make mistakes and as far as I'm concerned these documents are substandard when they are done. I realize no electronic product is going to take me to perfection at this point, but if it can take me partway there, giving me more time to edit what needs to be edited, perfection takes a huge step forward. At AHG I heard the goal was "less than one minute per page." Oh, how I'd love to say we can accomplish that, but with the exception of a rare few books, there is no way we're only spending 1 minute per page to scan, OCR, manual edit, and push to audio or other format that the student needs. I recently spent almost 30 hours on an 85-page book filled with images, graphics, tables, charts, hand-written text, etc. I might as well have typed the book by hand by the time I got done messing with it. The TCO on that one went WAY over the top. Until we have OCR that can place styles, headers, and footers, and until we have tools that take those files and turn them easily from the OCR'd text to the final output, we will still be behind the 8 ball on this one. When I hear of a product that is supposed to help, I'm skeptical, since I've been fooled before. And I do feel the new Microsoft initiative is no different than any of the other tools that have been developed out there so far. -Susan Kelmer _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From hascherdss at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 13:21:28 2007 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Canon DR-9080C Problem Message-ID: <6e0d34c90711141321o66ba2261p931846b616d52d2e@mail.gmail.com> Hello all! Much to my horror this afternoon, we're having trouble with our Canon DR-9080C scanner. The light on the Start button refuses to come on. The only time it is lit is when we press the Count Only button. Then when we press start, the feeder tray goes up and down, and up and down, and up and down, and up and down....until we can depress the Count Only button again to stop it. But it won't feed any paper through. Any one had such a problem or have suggestions??? TIA, Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tdd) From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Wed Nov 14 13:59:47 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Canon DR-9080C Problem In-Reply-To: <6e0d34c90711141321o66ba2261p931846b616d52d2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e0d34c90711141321o66ba2261p931846b616d52d2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <01a301c82709$ac380300$04a80900$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Try doing a factory reset, the instructions should be in the manual. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:21 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Canon DR-9080C Problem Hello all! Much to my horror this afternoon, we're having trouble with our Canon DR-9080C scanner. The light on the Start button refuses to come on. The only time it is lit is when we press the Count Only button. Then when we press start, the feeder tray goes up and down, and up and down, and up and down, and up and down....until we can depress the Count Only button again to stop it. But it won't feed any paper through. Any one had such a problem or have suggestions??? TIA, Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tdd) _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From Nick.Baker at mso.umt.edu Wed Nov 14 13:59:55 2007 From: Nick.Baker at mso.umt.edu (Baker, Nick) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Canon DR-9080C Problem In-Reply-To: <6e0d34c90711141321o66ba2261p931846b616d52d2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e0d34c90711141321o66ba2261p931846b616d52d2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42816E1795C8EB44B1676468392D0794569816@MUMMAILVS1.gs.umt.edu> It sounds like the scanner can't detect the position of the feed tray and paper level, so unless it is as simple as dirt or paper scraps blocking the sensor (Have you looked at/cleaned the paper path?), I would call Canon for service unless you are a competent repair person. Canon had a repair person at our office in 24 hours and parts shipped to us the following day when ours was damaged in shipping. Nick Nick Baker Assistive Technology Coordinator nick.baker@umontana.edu 406-243-2234 (Voice/TTY) 406-243-2663 (Voice only) Disability Services for Students The University of Montana EL 154 32 Campus Drive Missoula, MT 59812 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:21 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Canon DR-9080C Problem Hello all! Much to my horror this afternoon, we're having trouble with our Canon DR-9080C scanner. The light on the Start button refuses to come on. The only time it is lit is when we press the Count Only button. Then when we press start, the feeder tray goes up and down, and up and down, and up and down, and up and down....until we can depress the Count Only button again to stop it. But it won't feed any paper through. Any one had such a problem or have suggestions??? TIA, Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tdd) _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From gdietrich at htctu.net Wed Nov 14 13:55:10 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Canon DR-9080C Problem In-Reply-To: <6e0d34c90711141321o66ba2261p931846b616d52d2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e0d34c90711141321o66ba2261p931846b616d52d2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006701c82709$086f4d00$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Check your software setting. It may be that what has happened is that the feeding options settings has been changed from automatic to something else. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:21 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Canon DR-9080C Problem Hello all! Much to my horror this afternoon, we're having trouble with our Canon DR-9080C scanner. The light on the Start button refuses to come on. The only time it is lit is when we press the Count Only button. Then when we press start, the feeder tray goes up and down, and up and down, and up and down, and up and down....until we can depress the Count Only button again to stop it. But it won't feed any paper through. Any one had such a problem or have suggestions??? TIA, Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tdd) _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From gerrynies at mail.und.nodak.edu Wed Nov 14 14:03:53 2007 From: gerrynies at mail.und.nodak.edu (Gerry Nies) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Canon DR-9080C Problem In-Reply-To: <6e0d34c90711141321o66ba2261p931846b616d52d2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e0d34c90711141321o66ba2261p931846b616d52d2e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <473B1C6A.5B96.00E0.0@mail.und.nodak.edu> Heidi I presume you have unplugged the scanner, turned off the computer, said a prayer or used the words only a good sailor would know and turned every thing back on. Just kidding. It was nice to meet you at AGH Gerry Nies Gerry Nies Information Technology Tech University of North Dakota Disability Services for Students McCannel Hall Room 190 2891 2nd Avenue North Stop 9040 Grand Forks, ND 58202-9040 (701)777-3827 (701)777-4170 FAX gerrynies@mail.und.nodak.edu STOP! This message is CONFIDENTIAL, intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are NOT the intended recipient(s), you are notified that the dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you receive this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please notify the sender at the above mentioned e-mail or telephone number and delete this e-mail from your computer >>> "Heidi Scher" 11/14/2007 3:21 PM >>> Hello all! Much to my horror this afternoon, we're having trouble with our Canon DR-9080C scanner. The light on the Start button refuses to come on. The only time it is lit is when we press the Count Only button. Then when we press start, the feeder tray goes up and down, and up and down, and up and down, and up and down....until we can depress the Count Only button again to stop it. But it won't feed any paper through. Any one had such a problem or have suggestions??? TIA, Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tdd) _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Wed Nov 14 14:31:34 2007 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft and Daisy Plug-ins In-Reply-To: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE201113D83@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C7127@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <9edf8160711140318o396c54e2kdce686b81d87ed38@mail.gmail.com> <003901c826b2$a952cff0$fbf86fd0$@com> <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE201113D83@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <473B7746.90808@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Very well said, Nolan! Wink Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Crabb, Nolan wrote: > I think the point Pratik made on this list today about crafting > well-structured word files is an excellent one. I'm a little concerned > by the attitude of almost-dismissal regarding the Microsoft plug-in. > Some of us, particularly those of us who rely on screen readers, > remember well the horrors of the '90s when getting Microsoft to pay any > attention at all to accessibility issues was, for a time, nearly > impossible. It's all well and good to draft clever one-liners on this > list about garbage files and crap files. But somewhere nestled amongst > those clever one-liners can perhaps be a couple of lines of celebratory > text. Granted, this plug-in will not be the end-all and be-all, > rendering all other DAISY creating processes obsolete. But this is one > old access tech dinosaur who remembers the nightmares of Internet > Explorer 4.0, which was far worse than 3.5 in terms of access, and who > can't help but extend a heart-felt congratulations to the DAISY > Consortium folks and frankly to Microsoft, for that matter, for even > getting started on this project. > > The Microsoft Word 2007 plug-in for PDF creation isn't perfect either, > but if the Word file was well constructed and the creator paid careful > attention to using styles and so forth, it's not terrible. It comes > pretty close to creating an accessible PDF file--not perfect, but pretty > close. > > For that matter, the Duxbury folks have long advocated the use of styles > in Word as one way to create even better more accurate braille > formatting and translations. Those who fail to do that can create > legendarily awful braille! I know! I've seen it! :-) Yet, we don't > dismiss Duxbury out of hand for at least trying to integrate its product > with Word's file structure. > > Today, after many years and iterations of software, a student who needs > something brailled and who has the hardware and software necessary to do > it can create highly usable braille for him or herself. Not always, of > course. We all know of thousands of instances where tables, charts, and > graphs are problematic for all but the most expert among us. But those > of us who remember hand-transcribed braille with all its oddities and > length of production time will be among that small cadre of folks who > can recognize that we've made huge strides in terms of quality braille > production. This little seemingly not-too-significant plug-in may be > the beginning of what will someday become a highly automated DAISY > creation process. After all, if someone who neither reads braille nor > knows much about it can, by following closely the styles and other > elements of a well-structured Word file, create beautifully formatted > material in many circumstances, , surely the day will come when the > DAISY process experiences similar benchmarks of success. We do well, it > seems to me, to celebrate what progress now is and hope for additional > progress tomorrow. Perhaps the reminder that none of us will be > replaced any time soon by highly automated software will allow us to > celebrate the positive things this plug-in and all the behind-the-scenes > efforts it represents on all sides means. The fact that Microsoft is > even willing to educate itself somewhat concerning DAISY is, to those of > us who remember darker times, nothing short of a pre-holiday miracle. > > Best Wishes, > > Nolan > > > > > > > > Nolan Crabb > Director of Assistive Technology > The Ohio State University > 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 > > Ph. (614) 735-8688 > E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From hascherdss at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 14:45:53 2007 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Canon DR-9080C Problem In-Reply-To: <473B1C6A.5B96.00E0.0@mail.und.nodak.edu> References: <6e0d34c90711141321o66ba2261p931846b616d52d2e@mail.gmail.com> <473B1C6A.5B96.00E0.0@mail.und.nodak.edu> Message-ID: <6e0d34c90711141445n75968e50ra20b843f2bb09cf8@mail.gmail.com> Hi all! Thanks for the quick input!!! I do appreciate you all! We've done a bit of everything at this point (including the good sailor dis-cuss-ion). Seems that recently when we moved it, the Tech Specialist connected it up USB rather than SCSI as it was previously. We switched it back to SCSI, and it's working now! Once we get this scan job done, we may do the factory reset. Then again, if it's working.... :-) Thanks again! Heidi PS Good to meet you, too, Gerry! Looking forward to working with you on our 'assignment'! On 11/14/07, Gerry Nies wrote: > > > Heidi > > I presume you have unplugged the scanner, turned off the computer, said a > prayer or used the words only a good sailor would know and turned every > thing back on. > > Just kidding. > > It was nice to meet you at AGH > > Gerry Nies > > > Gerry Nies > > Information Technology Tech > > University of North Dakota > Disability Services for Students > McCannel Hall Room 190 > 2891 2nd Avenue North Stop 9040 > Grand Forks, ND 58202-9040 > (701)777-3827 > (701)777-4170 FAX > gerrynies@mail.und.nodak.edu > > > STOP! > This message is CONFIDENTIAL, intended only for the named recipient(s) and > may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under > applicable law. If you are NOT the intended recipient(s), you are notified > that the dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly > prohibited. If you receive this message in error, or are not the named > recipient(s), please notify the sender at the above mentioned e-mail or > telephone number and delete this e-mail from your computer > > > >>> "Heidi Scher" 11/14/2007 3:21 PM >>> > > Hello all! > > Much to my horror this afternoon, we're having trouble with our Canon > DR-9080C scanner. The light on the Start button refuses to come on. > The only time it is lit is when we press the Count Only button. Then > when we press start, the feeder tray goes up and down, and up and > down, and up and down, and up and down....until we can depress the > Count Only button again to stop it. But it won't feed any paper > through. > > Any one had such a problem or have suggestions??? > > TIA, > Heidi > > -- > > Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC > Interim Assistant Director > Center for Educational Access > University of Arkansas > 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 > Fayetteville, AR 72701 > (479) 575-3104 (voice) > (479) 575-7445 (fax) > (479) 575-3646 (tdd) > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > From CUTLER_ELLEN at smc.edu Wed Nov 14 17:26:05 2007 From: CUTLER_ELLEN at smc.edu (CUTLER_ELLEN) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] (no subject) Message-ID: <830F50945591CE4697D903C9F59DC5A80B4F61CA@ROMULUS.smc.edu> I wanted to share with you all that Santa Monica College is currently accepting applications for a full-time High Tech Center faculty position; the job description is attached. 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Folks, its just a plugin! http://www.vnunet.com/itweek/news/2203477/microsoft-makes-documents A new plugin will enable Microsoft Word users to save Open XML -based documents in a format that makes the content accessible to blind or visually impaired users. The plugin, which is a free download, will make it possible to save documents in the DAISY XML format, a standard for reading and publishing multimedia content that is easy to navigate. "It revolutionises information and consumption," said Julie Howell, director of accessibility at Fortune Cookie, a web accessibility provider. "Currently to get through a massive amount of linear audio is like reading the Yellow Pages from start to finish to find what you're looking for." Howell said the key to making DAISY a success was to raise public awareness of the standard: "To use DAISY, you need a DAISY player.The next step to ensure that the largest number of people benefit from it is to get the DAISY-playing technology onto products available on the high street." Although the DAISY format was sometimes used in school textbooks, she said, the majority of visually-impaired people lost their sight after the age of 45, and they also needed to be able to access documents in DAISY format. Visually-impaired users can access web-based information through screen readers, screen magnifiers, Braille printers and text-to-speech synthesizers. But it is much harder for users to navigate complex page layouts because accessibility tools are usually unable to differentiate between different elements of the text, such as headings, tables of contents, indices and glossaries. For the visually impaired user, the text becomes an undifferentiated mess. The DAISY standard addresses this by making it possible to navigate through documents by heading or page number and to use indexes and references. This means that users can scroll through audio or Braille content in the same way that sighted people might scroll through a document. "It will make it much easier for someone to produce their document in audio or Braille or large print. You save in DAISY format, and there are a number of tools that will pick that file up and create well-structured, good, navigable documents," said Stephen King, director of accessibility and innovation at the Royal National Institute of the Blind (RNIB). Currently only five percent of the material available to sighted readers has been converted into accessible formats, according to RNIB research. The "Save as DAISY" plugin will be available as a free download for MicrosoftOffice Word (Word XP, Word 2003 and Word 2007) customers early in 2008. King said he thought the standard would be widely used, because it was now a legal requirement in the US for school textbook publishers to provide copies of books in DAISY format. The ability to convert to DAISY format would have wider uses, he added: "The DAISY format is good for any repurposing [of text]. People are repurposing for mobile phones and different types of presentation, and the DAISY standard has been designed for that." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Crabb.15 at osu.edu Thu Nov 15 07:21:51 2007 From: Crabb.15 at osu.edu (Crabb, Nolan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] JAWS Scripts for SPSS Message-ID: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE201113DA7@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> Hi, everyone, The subject line almost says it all. :-) I'm in need of some JAWS scripts for SPSS. The version of JAWS currently in use by our grad student is 8.2173. I suppose I'll write these myself if I absolutely have to, but it would be silly to do that if someone else already has them available. Let me know if you or someone you know has some you'd be willing to share. Regards, Nolan Nolan Crabb Director of Assistive Technology The Ohio State University 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 Ph. (614) 735-8688 E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu From travis at travisroth.com Thu Nov 15 07:28:09 2007 From: travis at travisroth.com (Travis Roth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] JAWS Scripts for SPSS In-Reply-To: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE201113DA7@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> References: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE201113DA7@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <003701c8279c$20b9d450$622d7cf0$@com> Hi, Doing a Google search I founda couple of links. Freedom Scientific has a KB article here about some older-looking scripts: http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_support/BulletinView.cfm?QC=426 Also SSb Bart Group appears to be selling something. http://www.ssbtechnologies.com/products/jaws/index.html Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Crabb, Nolan Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:22 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] JAWS Scripts for SPSS Hi, everyone, The subject line almost says it all. :-) I'm in need of some JAWS scripts for SPSS. The version of JAWS currently in use by our grad student is 8.2173. I suppose I'll write these myself if I absolutely have to, but it would be silly to do that if someone else already has them available. Let me know if you or someone you know has some you'd be willing to share. Regards, Nolan Nolan Crabb Director of Assistive Technology The Ohio State University 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 Ph. (614) 735-8688 E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From gdausch at notes.cc.sunysb.edu Thu Nov 15 08:43:04 2007 From: gdausch at notes.cc.sunysb.edu (gdausch@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] contentDM and jaws Message-ID: Hello, Does anyone have tips on using the contentDM acquisition station with jaws? jaws doesn't seem to be able to read input fields, and Clicking on objects with the jaws cursor does nothing. Thanks, Glenn Glenn Dausch Disability Support Services 128 Educational Communications Center Stony Brook University Stony Brook, NY 11794-2662 631 632 6548 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Today's Topics: 1. "Microsoft makes documents accessible to the visually impaired" Gosh, really?! (Robert Martinengo) 2. JAWS Scripts for SPSS (Crabb, Nolan) 3. Re: JAWS Scripts for SPSS (Travis Roth) 4. contentDM and jaws (gdausch@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:45:14 -0500 From: "Robert Martinengo" Subject: [Athen] "Microsoft makes documents accessible to the visually impaired" Gosh, really?! To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Message-ID: <9edf8160711150545i62465c62me136aa08735a179c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Take a look at this to see how the 'save as DAISY' story is getting spun in the real world - "It revolutionises information and consumption"? Oh, please. Folks, its just a plugin! http://www.vnunet.com/itweek/news/2203477/microsoft-makes-documents A new plugin will enable Microsoft Word users to save Open XML -based documents in a format that makes the content accessible to blind or visually impaired users. The plugin, which is a free download, will make it possible to save documents in the DAISY XML format, a standard for reading and publishing multimedia content that is easy to navigate. "It revolutionises information and consumption," said Julie Howell, director of accessibility at Fortune Cookie, a web accessibility provider. "Currently to get through a massive amount of linear audio is like reading the Yellow Pages from start to finish to find what you're looking for." Howell said the key to making DAISY a success was to raise public awareness of the standard: "To use DAISY, you need a DAISY player.The next step to ensure that the largest number of people benefit from it is to get the DAISY-playing technology onto products available on the high street." Although the DAISY format was sometimes used in school textbooks, she said, the majority of visually-impaired people lost their sight after the age of 45, and they also needed to be able to access documents in DAISY format. Visually-impaired users can access web-based information through screen readers, screen magnifiers, Braille printers and text-to-speech synthesizers. But it is much harder for users to navigate complex page layouts because accessibility tools are usually unable to differentiate between different elements of the text, such as headings, tables of contents, indices and glossaries. For the visually impaired user, the text becomes an undifferentiated mess. The DAISY standard addresses this by making it possible to navigate through documents by heading or page number and to use indexes and references. This means that users can scroll through audio or Braille content in the same way that sighted people might scroll through a document. "It will make it much easier for someone to produce their document in audio or Braille or large print. You save in DAISY format, and there are a number of tools that will pick that file up and create well-structured, good, navigable documents," said Stephen King, director of accessibility and innovation at the Royal National Institute of the Blind (RNIB). Currently only five percent of the material available to sighted readers has been converted into accessible formats, according to RNIB research. The "Save as DAISY" plugin will be available as a free download for MicrosoftOffice Word (Word XP, Word 2003 and Word 2007) customers early in 2008. King said he thought the standard would be widely used, because it was now a legal requirement in the US for school textbook publishers to provide copies of books in DAISY format. The ability to convert to DAISY format would have wider uses, he added: "The DAISY format is good for any repurposing [of text]. People are repurposing for mobile phones and different types of presentation, and the DAISY standard has been designed for that." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20071115/d4c7cd 25/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:21:51 -0500 From: "Crabb, Nolan" Subject: [Athen] JAWS Scripts for SPSS To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Message-ID: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE201113DA7@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, everyone, The subject line almost says it all. :-) I'm in need of some JAWS scripts for SPSS. The version of JAWS currently in use by our grad student is 8.2173. I suppose I'll write these myself if I absolutely have to, but it would be silly to do that if someone else already has them available. Let me know if you or someone you know has some you'd be willing to share. Regards, Nolan Nolan Crabb Director of Assistive Technology The Ohio State University 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 Ph. (614) 735-8688 E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:28:09 -0600 From: "Travis Roth" Subject: Re: [Athen] JAWS Scripts for SPSS To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <003701c8279c$20b9d450$622d7cf0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Doing a Google search I founda couple of links. Freedom Scientific has a KB article here about some older-looking scripts: http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_support/BulletinView.cfm?QC=426 Also SSb Bart Group appears to be selling something. http://www.ssbtechnologies.com/products/jaws/index.html Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Crabb, Nolan Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:22 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] JAWS Scripts for SPSS Hi, everyone, The subject line almost says it all. :-) I'm in need of some JAWS scripts for SPSS. The version of JAWS currently in use by our grad student is 8.2173. I suppose I'll write these myself if I absolutely have to, but it would be silly to do that if someone else already has them available. Let me know if you or someone you know has some you'd be willing to share. Regards, Nolan Nolan Crabb Director of Assistive Technology The Ohio State University 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 Ph. (614) 735-8688 E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:43:04 -0500 From: gdausch@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Subject: [Athen] contentDM and jaws To: athen@athenpro.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, Does anyone have tips on using the contentDM acquisition station with jaws? jaws doesn't seem to be able to read input fields, and Clicking on objects with the jaws cursor does nothing. Thanks, Glenn Glenn Dausch Disability Support Services 128 Educational Communications Center Stony Brook University Stony Brook, NY 11794-2662 631 632 6548 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20071115/568909 ba/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 22, Issue 29 ************************************* From norm.coombs at gmail.com Thu Nov 15 13:13:35 2007 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Pamphlet supporting transitions from elementary through post secondary Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20071115131041.022180d0@pop.gmail.com> EASI (Equal Access to Software and Information) has a pamphlet discussing the transitions students have to pass through in moving all the way from elementary school through college. You can get a copy of this seven-page booklet by sending email to easi1@easi.cc. Below is an excerpt that relates mainly to colleges and universities. As you'll see in this section of the document, schools need to be ready to provide adaptive computers and properly designed information technology to provide adequate support for these students. In December, EASI has a month-long, online course called "Train the Trainer". Yes, besides having equipment, colleges need staff who are familiar with it and capable of providing training on it for students. Read about Train the Trainer and register online at: http://easi.cc/workshop.htm ------begin quote---- Changes and Challenges Educational Transitions the EASI Way Becoming an Advocate Sometimes faculty and service providers are thrust in the role of advocating for equipment and support services for their students with disabilities. These tips are aimed at service providers who lobby for the adaptive computing equipment and support that disabled students may need. 1. If no one at your school is particularly knowledgeable or interested in adaptive computer technology, bring the information to your school. Research it yourself. Find a computer resource center in your area, and bring brochures and other information on adaptive computer technology to the IEP team, Disabled Student Services Office or Academic Computing Office. 2. Research and share success stories about other students with disabilities who have benefited by using adaptive computer technology. See what other schools and universities are doing and suggest that your school can follow the same path. 3. Discuss assistive technology with teachers, campus computing center directors and professors, and give them information on picking accessible software and integrating the computer into the classroom curriculum. 4. Invite faculty and staff to your lab and show them how adaptive technology works. 5. Encourage school administrators and service providers to check out federal, state and private agencies for help in paying for adaptive equipment and training on the equipment. 6. Most importantly, keep informed of assessment and funding sources that are available to help obtain the best possible education students with disabilities. Outreach and Awareness Programs All schools -- from elementary to university -- can improve the services offered to students with disabilities by coordinating their services and providing links between elementary schools, middle schools, secondary schools, and colleges. Both community and four-year colleges should create outreach and awareness programs to link up with feeder schools so they can coordinate technology and other support services. Early identification of incoming disabled students and early, coordinated planning for their educational support will help smooth transitions and ensure that each student gets the best possible education. How to Establish Links There are several ways for colleges and universities to establish links with feeder schools. Disabled Student Services offices and Offices of Adaptive Computing Technology can set up open houses during the year to bring in students with disabilities, teachers, guidance counselors, and transfer center staff for tours and demonstrations. Outreach strategies should focus on the role of assistive technology in college and should highlight using assistive technology to do class and home assignments, for research, and as an all-around aid for students with disabilities. It is also a good policy to incorporate adaptive computing technology service information and demonstrations into regularly scheduled campus tours and orientations and publications. -----end of quote---- Again, to obtain the electronic pamphlet send email to easi1@easi.cc To read the syllabus and register for Train the Trainer, go to http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norm Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com From goodman at eri-wi.org Thu Nov 15 17:31:10 2007 From: goodman at eri-wi.org (Phillip Goodman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] book scan In-Reply-To: <46E075DA.2050208@mcmail.maricopa.edu> References: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCDF3@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> <46E075DA.2050208@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: <000001c827f0$5e6e9980$6400a8c0@porch> Does anyone have any experience with the products from this company? http://www.kirtas-tech.com/apt_2400.asp Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR/L Assistive Technology Consultant/Systems Administrator Employment Resources, Inc. 4126 Lien Rd. Suite 104 Madison, WI 53575 phone 608-246-3444 ext. 234 fax 608-246-3445 From ea at emptech.info Fri Nov 16 01:47:30 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] JAWS Scripts for SPSS In-Reply-To: <003701c8279c$20b9d450$622d7cf0$@com> References: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE201113DA7@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> <003701c8279c$20b9d450$622d7cf0$@com> Message-ID: <003c01c82835$b5e635c0$578afea9@laptop> Richard Orme very kindly sent Pratik and I some scripts that I have been storing - they are attached - hope that does not cause problems on the list. This is what he said in February 2007: "There are some Jaws scripts which I updated at the end of last week to support version 14 of SPSS. It is by no means a simple programme to use, and there are some elements that are impossible to do without sighted help. The scripts are used by the very dedicated, who are prepared or need to use the workarounds, or so that a student can at least access some elements of SPSS independently. That possibly sounds overly pessimistic, it kinda depends on people's expectations. Mary Steiner at RNIB has the most recent real life experience of SPSS and Jaws, having conducted some training a few weeks ago. A fairly detailed description of what is possible is included in the zip file, as an FAQ. This should prove a fairly useful read. Finally, note the resource: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bvpsycho/ The description of the mailing list is: This mailing list should provide an opportunity for blind and visually impaired psychologists and psychology students all over the world to exchange informations and experiences on all psychology-related topics. Examples are the availability of accessible literature and tests or strategies in psychotherapy. " Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab ECS, University of Southampton Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Travis Roth Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 3:28 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] JAWS Scripts for SPSS Hi, Doing a Google search I founda couple of links. Freedom Scientific has a KB article here about some older-looking scripts: http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_support/BulletinView.cfm?QC=426 Also SSb Bart Group appears to be selling something. http://www.ssbtechnologies.com/products/jaws/index.html Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Crabb, Nolan Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:22 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] JAWS Scripts for SPSS Hi, everyone, The subject line almost says it all. :-) I'm in need of some JAWS scripts for SPSS. The version of JAWS currently in use by our grad student is 8.2173. I suppose I'll write these myself if I absolutely have to, but it would be silly to do that if someone else already has them available. Let me know if you or someone you know has some you'd be willing to share. Regards, Nolan Nolan Crabb Director of Assistive Technology The Ohio State University 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 Ph. (614) 735-8688 E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1129 - Release Date: 13/11/2007 21:22 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1129 - Release Date: 13/11/2007 21:22 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SPSS Jaws scripts Feb 2007.zip Type: application/x-zip-compressed Size: 33625 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pratikp1 at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 02:35:42 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] JAWS Scripts for SPSS In-Reply-To: <003c01c82835$b5e635c0$578afea9@laptop> References: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE201113DA7@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> <003701c8279c$20b9d450$622d7cf0$@com> <003c01c82835$b5e635c0$578afea9@laptop> Message-ID: <002301c8283c$70b666d0$52233470$@com> Beyond these scripts, the company has been very unwilling to make interface changes that would make accessibility more possible for SPSS. We've been in off-and-on discussion with the developers. As is typical, developers blame management, and management ignores us. Pratik Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech. The City University of New York -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:48 AM To: travis@travisroth.com; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] JAWS Scripts for SPSS Richard Orme very kindly sent Pratik and I some scripts that I have been storing - they are attached - hope that does not cause problems on the list. This is what he said in February 2007: "There are some Jaws scripts which I updated at the end of last week to support version 14 of SPSS. It is by no means a simple programme to use, and there are some elements that are impossible to do without sighted help. The scripts are used by the very dedicated, who are prepared or need to use the workarounds, or so that a student can at least access some elements of SPSS independently. That possibly sounds overly pessimistic, it kinda depends on people's expectations. Mary Steiner at RNIB has the most recent real life experience of SPSS and Jaws, having conducted some training a few weeks ago. A fairly detailed description of what is possible is included in the zip file, as an FAQ. This should prove a fairly useful read. Finally, note the resource: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bvpsycho/ The description of the mailing list is: This mailing list should provide an opportunity for blind and visually impaired psychologists and psychology students all over the world to exchange informations and experiences on all psychology-related topics. Examples are the availability of accessible literature and tests or strategies in psychotherapy. " Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab ECS, University of Southampton Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Travis Roth Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 3:28 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] JAWS Scripts for SPSS Hi, Doing a Google search I founda couple of links. Freedom Scientific has a KB article here about some older-looking scripts: http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_support/BulletinView.cfm?QC=426 Also SSb Bart Group appears to be selling something. http://www.ssbtechnologies.com/products/jaws/index.html Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Crabb, Nolan Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 9:22 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] JAWS Scripts for SPSS Hi, everyone, The subject line almost says it all. :-) I'm in need of some JAWS scripts for SPSS. The version of JAWS currently in use by our grad student is 8.2173. I suppose I'll write these myself if I absolutely have to, but it would be silly to do that if someone else already has them available. Let me know if you or someone you know has some you'd be willing to share. Regards, Nolan Nolan Crabb Director of Assistive Technology The Ohio State University 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 Ph. (614) 735-8688 E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1129 - Release Date: 13/11/2007 21:22 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1129 - Release Date: 13/11/2007 21:22 From accessible.text at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 05:08:11 2007 From: accessible.text at gmail.com (Robert Martinengo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] book scan In-Reply-To: <000001c827f0$5e6e9980$6400a8c0@porch> References: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCDF3@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> <46E075DA.2050208@mcmail.maricopa.edu> <000001c827f0$5e6e9980$6400a8c0@porch> Message-ID: <9edf8160711160508r3b206e04h6cdeebc6e7e75edb@mail.gmail.com> Phillip, these machines sell for over $100,000. On Nov 15, 2007 8:31 PM, Phillip Goodman wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with the products from this company? > http://www.kirtas-tech.com/apt_2400.asp > > > Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR/L > Assistive Technology Consultant/Systems Administrator > Employment Resources, Inc. > 4126 Lien Rd. Suite 104 > Madison, WI 53575 > phone 608-246-3444 ext. 234 > fax 608-246-3445 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Crabb.15 at osu.edu Fri Nov 16 06:00:11 2007 From: Crabb.15 at osu.edu (Crabb, Nolan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] JAWS Scripts for SPSS In-Reply-To: <002301c8283c$70b666d0$52233470$@com> References: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE201113DA7@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> <003701c8279c$20b9d450$622d7cf0$@com> <003c01c82835$b5e635c0$578afea9@laptop> <002301c8283c$70b666d0$52233470$@com> Message-ID: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE201113DC0@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> Thanks for the heads-up on the apparent reluctance of the SPSS folks to make their product more accessible. Saves me a lot of frustration and time-consuming shots in the dark, as it were. Regards, Nolan Nolan Crabb Director of Assistive Technology The Ohio State University 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 Ph. (614) 735-8688 E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Fri Nov 16 06:00:03 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] book scan In-Reply-To: <9edf8160711160508r3b206e04h6cdeebc6e7e75edb@mail.gmail.com> References: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCDF3@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> <46E075DA.2050208@mcmail.maricopa.edu> <000001c827f0$5e6e9980$6400a8c0@porch> <9edf8160711160508r3b206e04h6cdeebc6e7e75edb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006201c82859$0b5a0b30$220e2190$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> I have been working with a system that has one of these, they are not ready for prime time and the cost is more like $170,000+. They really are wishing they had bought several DR-9080's instead. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Martinengo Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:08 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] book scan Phillip, these machines sell for over $100,000. On Nov 15, 2007 8:31 PM, Phillip Goodman wrote: Does anyone have any experience with the products from this company? http://www.kirtas-tech.com/apt_2400.asp Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR/L Assistive Technology Consultant/Systems Administrator Employment Resources, Inc. 4126 Lien Rd. Suite 104 Madison, WI 53575 phone 608-246-3444 ext. 234 fax 608-246-3445 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Julie.Joffray at tamucc.edu Fri Nov 16 06:14:42 2007 From: Julie.Joffray at tamucc.edu (Joffray, Julie) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] book scan In-Reply-To: <000001c827f0$5e6e9980$6400a8c0@porch> References: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCDF3@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu><46E075DA.2050208@mcmail.maricopa.edu> <000001c827f0$5e6e9980$6400a8c0@porch> Message-ID: <1B9FD671EBE29C4D802F5AEE779CA96701634B63@Hermes.ad.tamucc.edu> Phillip, I know that one is used for bound books by NewsStand.com. My daughter and her fianc? work there and say that the quality is not as good as a high-speed sheet feed scanner. I think it's a great idea, however, I don't think technology is quite there yet. Julie Julie Joffray Disability Accommodations Specialist Disability Services Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi 6300 Ocean Drive, UNIT 5717 Corpus Christi, TX 78412-5717 Office: 361.825.2155 Fax: 361.825.2536 Email: Julie.Joffray@tamucc.edu Department Website: http://disabilityservices.tamucc.edu University Website: http://www.tamucc.edu "Aspire to Inspire before you Expire" ~unknown -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Phillip Goodman Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:31 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] book scan Does anyone have any experience with the products from this company? http://www.kirtas-tech.com/apt_2400.asp Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR/L Assistive Technology Consultant/Systems Administrator Employment Resources, Inc. 4126 Lien Rd. Suite 104 Madison, WI 53575 phone 608-246-3444 ext. 234 fax 608-246-3445 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From djbrky at bu.edu Fri Nov 16 06:16:41 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] book scan References: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCDF3@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> <46E075DA.2050208@mcmail.maricopa.edu> <000001c827f0$5e6e9980$6400a8c0@porch> <9edf8160711160508r3b206e04h6cdeebc6e7e75edb@mail.gmail.com> <006201c82859$0b5a0b30$220e2190$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C7137@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> If they want to get rid of it and donate it to a worthy cause.... ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Ron Stewart Sent: Fri 11/16/2007 9:00 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] book scan I have been working with a system that has one of these, they are not ready for prime time and the cost is more like $170,000+. They really are wishing they had bought several DR-9080's instead. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Martinengo Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:08 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] book scan Phillip, these machines sell for over $100,000. On Nov 15, 2007 8:31 PM, Phillip Goodman wrote: Does anyone have any experience with the products from this company? http://www.kirtas-tech.com/apt_2400.asp Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR/L Assistive Technology Consultant/Systems Administrator Employment Resources, Inc. 4126 Lien Rd. Suite 104 Madison, WI 53575 phone 608-246-3444 ext. 234 fax 608-246-3445 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From Julie.Joffray at tamucc.edu Fri Nov 16 06:22:13 2007 From: Julie.Joffray at tamucc.edu (Joffray, Julie) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] book scan In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C7137@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCDF3@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> <46E075DA.2050208@mcmail.maricopa.edu> <000001c827f0$5e6e9980$6400a8c0@porch><9edf8160711160508r3b206e04h6cdeebc6e7e75edb@mail.gmail.com><006201c82859$0b5a0b30$220e2190$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C7137@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <1B9FD671EBE29C4D802F5AEE779CA96701634B64@Hermes.ad.tamucc.edu> I agree! Unfortunately, I was sharing the opinions of my daughter and her fianc?, not necessarily the company. Julie Joffray Disability Accommodations Specialist Disability Services Texas A&M University-Corpus Christi 6300 Ocean Drive, UNIT 5717 Corpus Christi, TX 78412-5717 Office: 361.825.2155 Fax: 361.825.2536 Email: Julie.Joffray@tamucc.edu Department Website: http://disabilityservices.tamucc.edu University Website: http://www.tamucc.edu "Aspire to Inspire before you Expire" ~unknown -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:17 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] book scan If they want to get rid of it and donate it to a worthy cause.... ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Ron Stewart Sent: Fri 11/16/2007 9:00 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] book scan I have been working with a system that has one of these, they are not ready for prime time and the cost is more like $170,000+. They really are wishing they had bought several DR-9080's instead. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Martinengo Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:08 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] book scan Phillip, these machines sell for over $100,000. On Nov 15, 2007 8:31 PM, Phillip Goodman wrote: Does anyone have any experience with the products from this company? http://www.kirtas-tech.com/apt_2400.asp Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR/L Assistive Technology Consultant/Systems Administrator Employment Resources, Inc. 4126 Lien Rd. Suite 104 Madison, WI 53575 phone 608-246-3444 ext. 234 fax 608-246-3445 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From larry.kiser at sfcc.edu Fri Nov 16 06:57:58 2007 From: larry.kiser at sfcc.edu (Larry Kiser) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] College Switching from WebCT to New Learning Management System Message-ID: <20071116095758806.00000003344@SF305507> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johumber at iupui.edu Fri Nov 16 11:34:59 2007 From: johumber at iupui.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] IPhone VPAT (Voluntary Product Accessibility Template) Message-ID: Hi! This really shows apple's stance on accessibility http://images.apple.com/accessibility/pdf/iPhone_vpat.pdf "Section 1194.21 Software applications and operating systems. Apple says Not applicable" - Everyone knows it runs on a modified OSX "Section 1194.22 Web-based intranet and internet information and applications. Apple says Not applicable" - It utilizes a web browser "Section 1194.24 Video and multimedia products. Apple says Not applicable" - it uses YouTube and supports video. Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) Office: IT 214E Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 Cell: 847-431-6545 AIM:ATCIUPUI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Register for Full ATIA 2008 Conference Registration with a $50 discount. ALLIANCE DISCOUNT COUPON CODES: ALL895 ATHEN and ATIA are pleased to offer a specially discounted registration fee of only $400 to all ATHEN members. This offer applies to the conference registration fee. Register today to attend the 9th annual ATIA Conference, January 30 ? February 2, 2008, at the Caribe Royale All-Suites Resort in Orlando, Florida and take advantage of these special discounts. How to register: You may register using any of the main conference registration options: online, fax or mail. Check out the ATIA web site for more details: www.atia.org Full Conference Registration: $50 discount. Use the Alliance Discount Coupon Code option and enter the Authorized Alliance Code: ALL895 Submit your registration with payment. For online registrations you may pay by credit card. For fax registration you may pay with credit card or PO. For mail registrations you may pay with credit card, PO or check. The Alliance Organization discounted registration fees are available for registrations submitted by NOVEMBER 26, 2007. Registrations submitted after that date will not be accepted and the full registration fee will be charged. Please contact ATHEN or ATIA if you have any questions regarding your eligibility for this discount. General Information about the ATIA 2008 Conference Click here http://www.atia.org for more details on the conference or to download the ATIA 2008 Advance Program. The ATIA Conference provides an opportunity for people with disabilities, and those who support, work with, employ or educate people with disabilities, to access information, networking and exposure to new AT products. Here are some of the events you won?t want to miss: Access the latest AT products and services and discover new technologies, showcased by more than 125 exhibitors in one of the most comprehensive exhibitions in the industry. Enhance your knowledge when you attend the one of more than 275 educational sessions and hands-on labs that target your curriculum and meet your accessibility goals Dan Comden, ATHEN and Howard Kramer, ATHEN are joint Strand Managers for the Higher Education Strands. See below for a complete listing of sessions or check out the ATIA web site: www.atia.org Mini-Strands on the following topics: Autism Spectrum Disorder NIMAS and Accessible Instructional Materials Statewide AT Act Programs, Alterative Financing Programs and Protection and Advocacy for Assistive Technology (PAAT) Programs ? see full listings below or on the web site: www.atia.org Pass It On Center and Device Reuse Network with fellow members of the AT community. Add an Onsite Pre-Conference Seminar for Expanded Training Make the most out of your trip to Orlando by adding on a Pre-Conference Seminar (available at an additional cost), taking place on Wednesday, January 30th. Choose from 11 various topics, all delivering concentrated and extensive education. . For more detailed information and a listing of all Onsite Pre-Conference Seminars, please visit www.atia.org for more details. Accommodation ? Remember to book your hotel room by Dec 27, 2007 to get ATIA 2008 rates The ATIA 2008 Conference will be held at the Caribe Royal All-Suites Resort & Convention Center, 8101 World Center Drive, Orlando, Florida, 32821. You must mention the Assistive Technology Industry Association (ATIA) Conference when making reservations. For more details on the hotel, check out http://www.atia.org Questions? Please send us an email to registration@atia.org or call Toll Free 877-OUR-ATIA (877-687-2842) Thank you for your support for ATIA and the ATIA 2008 Conference. Assistive Technology Industry Association (ATIA) Providing technologies to enhance learning, working and independent living for people with disabilities 401 N. Michigan Avenue Chicago, Illinois 60611-4267 USA 877-OUR-ATIA (687-2842) Fax: 312-673-6659 E-mail: Info@atia.org ----------------------------------- Attached is the ATIA registration form for ATHEN members. Looking forward to seeing you at ATIA. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2008 ATIA Conference Alliance Discounts - ATHEN.doc Type: application/msword Size: 107008 bytes Desc: URL: From tft at u.washington.edu Fri Nov 16 11:44:36 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] IPhone VPAT (Voluntary Product Accessibility Template) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200711161944.lAGJiccI028564@smtp.washington.edu> Wow! That also is an excellent example of why VPAT's are unreliable. Terry _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:35 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] IPhone VPAT (Voluntary Product Accessibility Template) Hi! This really shows apple's stance on accessibility http://images.apple.com/accessibility/pdf/iPhone_vpat.pdf "Section 1194.21 Software applications and operating systems. Apple says Not applicable" - Everyone knows it runs on a modified OSX "Section 1194.22 Web-based intranet and internet information and applications. Apple says Not applicable" - It utilizes a web browser "Section 1194.24 Video and multimedia products. Apple says Not applicable" - it uses YouTube and supports video. 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Can't wait for the day of MPAT's Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) Office: IT 214E Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 Cell: 847-431-6545 AIM:ATCIUPUI From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Terry Thompson Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:45 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] IPhone VPAT (Voluntary Product Accessibility Template) Wow! That also is an excellent example of why VPAT's are unreliable. Terry ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:35 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] IPhone VPAT (Voluntary Product Accessibility Template) Hi! This really shows apple's stance on accessibility http://images.apple.com/accessibility/pdf/iPhone_vpat.pdf "Section 1194.21 Software applications and operating systems. Apple says Not applicable" - Everyone knows it runs on a modified OSX "Section 1194.22 Web-based intranet and internet information and applications. Apple says Not applicable" - It utilizes a web browser "Section 1194.24 Video and multimedia products. Apple says Not applicable" - it uses YouTube and supports video. Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) Office: IT 214E Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 Cell: 847-431-6545 AIM:ATCIUPUI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Thu Nov 15 14:46:56 2007 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: ATIA 2008 ALLIANCE DISCOUNT REMINDER - DEADLINE is November 26 Message-ID: <000601c827d9$6cb6e090$c7e015ac@ad.colorado.edu> Dann, et al, For those of you planning to attend ATIA, please note the deadline below for discount registration. -Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 _____ From: Caroline Van Howe [mailto:cvanhowe@atia.org] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:20 PM To: ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com; Howard Kramer; Dan Comden Subject: ATIA 2008 ALLIANCE DISCOUNT REMINDER - DEADLINE is November 26 ALLIANCE DISCOUNT REMINDER DEADLINE FOR REGISTRATIONS IS NOVEMBER 26, 2007 Dear Ron, Howard and Dan Thank you for your help to date in promoting the ATIA 2008 Conference and the Alliance Discount registration program to your members and/or personnel. Currently, we have no sign-ups for your ATHEN ALL895 Alliance Discount Code. This is disappointing as we had hoped to bring in more ATHEN members to the conference. The deadline for Alliance Discount registrations is November 26th - just after the Thanksgiving break. Please alert your members and/or personnel to this deadline. I have attached the information describing the discount program and how to apply online, via email, fax, mail or telephone for your convenience. Please distribute this via email and/or listserv to help promote the discount program. Please contact me if you have any questions or know of any concerns with the program. Thank you for your support for the ATIA 2008 Conference. <<2008 ATIA Conference Alliance Discounts - ATHEN.doc>> With best wishes Caroline Caroline Van Howe Director of Programs Assistive Technology Industry Association 290 Margarita Drive San Rafael. CA 94901 415.458.3597 office 617.830.0999 fax 415.215.2460 mobile Visit ATIA 2008 Conference & Exhibition, January 30 - February 2, 2008 Assistive Technology Industry Association ATIA - Providing technologies to enhance learning, working and independence for people with disabilities -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Howard Kramer Sent: Thu 11/15/2007 5:46 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] FW: ATIA 2008 ALLIANCE DISCOUNT REMINDER - DEADLINE isNovember 26 Dann, et al, For those of you planning to attend ATIA, please note the deadline below for discount registration. -Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 ________________________________ From: Caroline Van Howe [mailto:cvanhowe@atia.org] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:20 PM To: ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com; Howard Kramer; Dan Comden Subject: ATIA 2008 ALLIANCE DISCOUNT REMINDER - DEADLINE is November 26 ALLIANCE DISCOUNT REMINDER DEADLINE FOR REGISTRATIONS IS NOVEMBER 26, 2007 Dear Ron, Howard and Dan Thank you for your help to date in promoting the ATIA 2008 Conference and the Alliance Discount registration program to your members and/or personnel. Currently, we have no sign-ups for your ATHEN ALL895 Alliance Discount Code. This is disappointing as we had hoped to bring in more ATHEN members to the conference. The deadline for Alliance Discount registrations is November 26th - just after the Thanksgiving break. Please alert your members and/or personnel to this deadline. I have attached the information describing the discount program and how to apply online, via email, fax, mail or telephone for your convenience. Please distribute this via email and/or listserv to help promote the discount program. Please contact me if you have any questions or know of any concerns with the program. Thank you for your support for the ATIA 2008 Conference. <<2008 ATIA Conference Alliance Discounts - ATHEN.doc>> With best wishes Caroline Caroline Van Howe Director of Programs Assistive Technology Industry Association 290 Margarita Drive San Rafael. CA 94901 415.458.3597 office 617.830.0999 fax 415.215.2460 mobile Visit ATIA 2008 Conference & Exhibition, January 30 - February 2, 2008 Assistive Technology Industry Association ATIA - Providing technologies to enhance learning, working and independence for people with disabilities -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 10610 bytes Desc: not available URL: From accessible.text at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 07:49:53 2007 From: accessible.text at gmail.com (Robert Martinengo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] The Thoughts of Chairman Bill Message-ID: <9edf8160711170749i78688f0jc1465a03708f8c05@mail.gmail.com> The Microsoft/DAISY press release reminded me of something Bill Gates said a few years ago. I transcribed this from audio files posted on the DAISY website, although I don't think they are still there. I am posting it now because it provides a counterpoint to the 'save as DAISY' announcement, but of course, your interpretation may vary: "I don't think that having the mainstream and DAISY be two separate things makes sense, to be honest, and so I think there must be an approach where you take whatever's good about DAISY and have it be done through XML markup, that's just a fundamental piece. DAISY apparently has certain types of tagging or approaches that are interesting. The kind of navigation you want to get across these text materials shouldn't be unique, so we need to really look at DAISY and look at what the mainstream publishing standards are and see if we can't bridge that, to the point where, should DAISY have to exist as a thing of itself, or is it just a flavor of mainstream standards? I think DAISY is a good thing but I don't see it, if it just exists by itself, creating the right dynamic that we need here." -- Bill Gates at Microsoft Summit on Libraries for the Blind, November 2004, Redmond, Washington [Transcribed from audio] Here is a quote from a report on the meeting on the DAISY website: ' Gates partnership has particular meaning to the DAISY consortium, according to Stephen King, of the Royal National Institute of the Blind, and a member of the DAISY board of directors. "We now have a clear commitment to move DAISY standards into mainstream publishing," said King. ' http://www.daisy.org/news/news_detail.asp?NewsId=172 So, creating a 'save as DAISY' plug-in - a move into the mainstream, or a perpetuation of DAISY as 'a thing of itself'? Discuss... From pratikp1 at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 20:36:25 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] The Thoughts of Chairman Bill In-Reply-To: <9edf8160711170749i78688f0jc1465a03708f8c05@mail.gmail.com> References: <9edf8160711170749i78688f0jc1465a03708f8c05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <053a01c8299c$94dd0990$be971cb0$@com> 1. Bill Gates is no longer really in charge of Microsoft. He's not running the company strategy. Different age, different uses of company's funds, etc. I don't think this is the right forum to discuss that though. 2. Bill wasn't in the publishing business. That's quite obvious by the Microsoft Reader Fiasco. So he shouldn't be taken as an authority on publishing, mainstream technologies, and the publishing convergence. Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech. The City University of New York -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Martinengo Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 10:50 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] The Thoughts of Chairman Bill The Microsoft/DAISY press release reminded me of something Bill Gates said a few years ago. I transcribed this from audio files posted on the DAISY website, although I don't think they are still there. I am posting it now because it provides a counterpoint to the 'save as DAISY' announcement, but of course, your interpretation may vary: "I don't think that having the mainstream and DAISY be two separate things makes sense, to be honest, and so I think there must be an approach where you take whatever's good about DAISY and have it be done through XML markup, that's just a fundamental piece. DAISY apparently has certain types of tagging or approaches that are interesting. The kind of navigation you want to get across these text materials shouldn't be unique, so we need to really look at DAISY and look at what the mainstream publishing standards are and see if we can't bridge that, to the point where, should DAISY have to exist as a thing of itself, or is it just a flavor of mainstream standards? I think DAISY is a good thing but I don't see it, if it just exists by itself, creating the right dynamic that we need here." -- Bill Gates at Microsoft Summit on Libraries for the Blind, November 2004, Redmond, Washington [Transcribed from audio] Here is a quote from a report on the meeting on the DAISY website: ' Gates partnership has particular meaning to the DAISY consortium, according to Stephen King, of the Royal National Institute of the Blind, and a member of the DAISY board of directors. "We now have a clear commitment to move DAISY standards into mainstream publishing," said King. ' http://www.daisy.org/news/news_detail.asp?NewsId=172 So, creating a 'save as DAISY' plug-in - a move into the mainstream, or a perpetuation of DAISY as 'a thing of itself'? Discuss... _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From accessible.text at gmail.com Sun Nov 18 07:09:07 2007 From: accessible.text at gmail.com (Robert Martinengo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] The Thoughts of Chairman Bill In-Reply-To: <053a01c8299c$94dd0990$be971cb0$@com> References: <9edf8160711170749i78688f0jc1465a03708f8c05@mail.gmail.com> <053a01c8299c$94dd0990$be971cb0$@com> Message-ID: <9edf8160711180709g7ec9043ex630d315f2032d702@mail.gmail.com> Pratik, Other than Bill Gates' status at Microsoft, and his publishing acumen, or lack thereof, do you disagree with what he said, and if so, how? Bob On Nov 17, 2007 11:36 PM, Pratik Patel wrote: > 1. Bill Gates is no longer really in charge of Microsoft. He's not running > the company strategy. Different age, different uses of company's funds, > etc. I don't think this is the right forum to discuss that though. > > 2. Bill wasn't in the publishing business. That's quite obvious by the > Microsoft Reader Fiasco. So he shouldn't be taken as an authority on > publishing, mainstream technologies, and the publishing convergence. > > Pratik Patel > Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech. > The City University of New York > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Robert Martinengo > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 10:50 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] The Thoughts of Chairman Bill > > The Microsoft/DAISY press release reminded me of something Bill Gates > said a few years ago. I transcribed this from audio files posted on > the DAISY website, although I don't think they are still there. I am > posting it now because it provides a counterpoint to the 'save as > DAISY' announcement, but of course, your interpretation may vary: > > "I don't think that having the mainstream and DAISY be two separate > things makes sense, to be honest, and so I think there must be an > approach where you take whatever's good about DAISY and have it be > done through XML markup, that's just a fundamental piece. DAISY > apparently has certain types of tagging or approaches that are > interesting. The kind of navigation you want to get across these text > materials shouldn't be unique, so we need to really look at DAISY and > look at what the mainstream publishing standards are and see if we > can't bridge that, to the point where, should DAISY have to exist as a > thing of itself, or is it just a flavor of mainstream standards? I > think DAISY is a good thing but I don't see it, if it just exists by > itself, creating the right dynamic that we need here." > > -- Bill Gates at Microsoft Summit on Libraries for the Blind, November > 2004, Redmond, Washington [Transcribed from audio] > > Here is a quote from a report on the meeting on the DAISY website: > > ' Gates partnership has particular meaning to the DAISY consortium, > according to Stephen King, of the Royal National Institute of the > Blind, and a member of the DAISY board of directors. "We now have a > clear commitment to move DAISY standards into mainstream publishing," > said King. ' > > http://www.daisy.org/news/news_detail.asp?NewsId=172 > > So, creating a 'save as DAISY' plug-in - a move into the mainstream, > or a perpetuation of DAISY as 'a thing of itself'? Discuss... > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From ron at ahead.org Mon Nov 19 07:50:37 2007 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Ensuring college students with disabilities have seamless access to textbooks Message-ID: <009d01c82ac3$ef93cf90$cebb6eb0$@org> Good morning! Language that several have been working on has been introduced into the house for a vote. If you support this language a letter, call or email to your respresentatives would be very beneficial. Ron Stewart Section 766 of HR-4137. The College Opportunity and Affordability Act of 2007 was introduced in the House last week. It includes includs the creation of a Commission on Materials Accessibility and opportunities for model demonstration projects in Section 766. This is a tremendous first step in ensuring that college and university students with print disabilities have seamless access to textbooks and instructional materials in the format of their choosing at the same time time they are available to their peers without disabilities. The bill was considered by the House Education and Labor Committee which has recommended it be considered by the House as a whole. It has been placed on a calendar of business, the order in which bills are considered and voted on is determined by the majority party leadership. Use this link to view HR4137 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-4137 Click on full text and scroll down our search for Section 766 "Subpart 2--National Technical Assistance Center; Commission on Accessible Materials; Programs to Support Improved Access to Materials. Section 766" If you agree that this legislation is important - contact your representatives and tell them why this is important to you, to students with visual impairments, dyslexia, and other disabilities that impact the use of print materials who are attending schools in their district, to the parents of those students and to the local colleges (public and private) providing services in their district. From marks at mso.umt.edu Mon Nov 19 08:14:13 2007 From: marks at mso.umt.edu (Marks, Jim) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] The Thoughts of Chairman Bill In-Reply-To: <9edf8160711170749i78688f0jc1465a03708f8c05@mail.gmail.com> References: <9edf8160711170749i78688f0jc1465a03708f8c05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A62BEFE@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> Seems to me that one could say the same sort of thing about anything related to disability. Access would be a lot easier if only the mainstream incorporated the principles of access in mainstream design. Common sense is apparently hard to come by, so it usually takes us a while to integrate access in the mainstream. Success arrives in stages, and certainly the MS plug-in for save as Daisy is one of those steps. I'm having a hard time understanding what the issue/counterpoint is. Bob, would you mind explaining more? Thanks! Jim Marks Director of Disability Services University of Montana jim.marks@umontana.edu http://www.umt.edu/dss/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Martinengo Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 8:50 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] The Thoughts of Chairman Bill The Microsoft/DAISY press release reminded me of something Bill Gates said a few years ago. I transcribed this from audio files posted on the DAISY website, although I don't think they are still there. I am posting it now because it provides a counterpoint to the 'save as DAISY' announcement, but of course, your interpretation may vary: "I don't think that having the mainstream and DAISY be two separate things makes sense, to be honest, and so I think there must be an approach where you take whatever's good about DAISY and have it be done through XML markup, that's just a fundamental piece. DAISY apparently has certain types of tagging or approaches that are interesting. The kind of navigation you want to get across these text materials shouldn't be unique, so we need to really look at DAISY and look at what the mainstream publishing standards are and see if we can't bridge that, to the point where, should DAISY have to exist as a thing of itself, or is it just a flavor of mainstream standards? I think DAISY is a good thing but I don't see it, if it just exists by itself, creating the right dynamic that we need here." -- Bill Gates at Microsoft Summit on Libraries for the Blind, November 2004, Redmond, Washington [Transcribed from audio] Here is a quote from a report on the meeting on the DAISY website: ' Gates partnership has particular meaning to the DAISY consortium, according to Stephen King, of the Royal National Institute of the Blind, and a member of the DAISY board of directors. "We now have a clear commitment to move DAISY standards into mainstream publishing," said King. ' http://www.daisy.org/news/news_detail.asp?NewsId=172 So, creating a 'save as DAISY' plug-in - a move into the mainstream, or a perpetuation of DAISY as 'a thing of itself'? Discuss... From accessible.text at gmail.com Mon Nov 19 11:10:28 2007 From: accessible.text at gmail.com (Robert Martinengo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] The Thoughts of Chairman Bill In-Reply-To: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A62BEFE@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> References: <9edf8160711170749i78688f0jc1465a03708f8c05@mail.gmail.com> <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A62BEFE@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> Message-ID: <9edf8160711191110u503bfebrb8cb8f81e0fff9f2@mail.gmail.com> Jim, So glad you asked that question - I'll try and keep the answer below novella length. DAISY is just a set of XML tags, plus a method for synchronizing audio to text (SMIL). When combined with a play-back mechanism, you have an accessible system that can do a lot of nice things for the user, just like Kurzweil is a nice system, one which is closed, instead of open like DAISY. Gates is saying that the important thing is to bring the functionality DAISY allows into mainstream publishing formats, something which George Kerscher and others have been working on with the IDPF with real success (see http://idpf.org/2007/ops/OPS_2.0_final_spec.html#Section2.4 ). But 'save as DAISY' puts the emphasis on DAISY as 'a thing of itself', something Gates does not see as 'creating the right dynamic', and I tend to agree. The dynamic is, disabled people need a special format. Publishers are not against accessibility per se, they just don't want it to open security holes or lose money. Publishers, and booksellers, are perfectly happy to sell accessible media, as long as it goes through the same channels as other media (see the RNIB's innovative work in this regard, http://www.pls.org.uk/ngen_public/article.asp?aid=338 ) Now, for those who may think I'm down on DAISY, take a look at a post from four years ago, where I proposed to do essentially the same thing as the plug-in ( http://htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu/read/messages?id=15467 ). The project didn't get funded, but the idea has been out there for years (I think the DAISY Consortium's approach to educational content has often been inspired by pioneers like Sam Ogami and Gaeir from the High-Tech Center). So, if the Consortium leadership wants to push DAISY as a brand, they should focus on the functionality of all digital media. 'DAISY Ok' could be a 508-like certification of functional requirements, not adherence to a particular tag set. As folks have already pointed out, a crappy Word file can be converted into a crappy DAISY file - technical compliance is not the goal - usability is. Bob On Nov 19, 2007 11:14 AM, Marks, Jim wrote: > Seems to me that one could say the same sort of thing about anything > related to disability. Access would be a lot easier if only the > mainstream incorporated the principles of access in mainstream design. > Common sense is apparently hard to come by, so it usually takes us a > while to integrate access in the mainstream. Success arrives in stages, > and certainly the MS plug-in for save as Daisy is one of those steps. > > I'm having a hard time understanding what the issue/counterpoint is. > Bob, would you mind explaining more? Thanks! > > > > > > Jim Marks > Director of Disability Services > University of Montana > jim.marks@umontana.edu > http://www.umt.edu/dss/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Robert Martinengo > Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 8:50 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] The Thoughts of Chairman Bill > > The Microsoft/DAISY press release reminded me of something Bill Gates > said a few years ago. I transcribed this from audio files posted on the > DAISY website, although I don't think they are still there. I am posting > it now because it provides a counterpoint to the 'save as DAISY' > announcement, but of course, your interpretation may vary: > > "I don't think that having the mainstream and DAISY be two separate > things makes sense, to be honest, and so I think there must be an > approach where you take whatever's good about DAISY and have it be done > through XML markup, that's just a fundamental piece. DAISY apparently > has certain types of tagging or approaches that are interesting. The > kind of navigation you want to get across these text materials shouldn't > be unique, so we need to really look at DAISY and look at what the > mainstream publishing standards are and see if we can't bridge that, to > the point where, should DAISY have to exist as a thing of itself, or is > it just a flavor of mainstream standards? I think DAISY is a good thing > but I don't see it, if it just exists by itself, creating the right > dynamic that we need here." > > -- Bill Gates at Microsoft Summit on Libraries for the Blind, November > 2004, Redmond, Washington [Transcribed from audio] > > Here is a quote from a report on the meeting on the DAISY website: > > ' Gates partnership has particular meaning to the DAISY consortium, > according to Stephen King, of the Royal National Institute of the Blind, > and a member of the DAISY board of directors. "We now have a clear > commitment to move DAISY standards into mainstream publishing," > said King. ' > > http://www.daisy.org/news/news_detail.asp?NewsId=172 > > So, creating a 'save as DAISY' plug-in - a move into the mainstream, or > a perpetuation of DAISY as 'a thing of itself'? Discuss... > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From marks at mso.umt.edu Mon Nov 19 13:13:04 2007 From: marks at mso.umt.edu (Marks, Jim) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] The Thoughts of Chairman Bill In-Reply-To: <9edf8160711191110u503bfebrb8cb8f81e0fff9f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <9edf8160711170749i78688f0jc1465a03708f8c05@mail.gmail.com><14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A62BEFE@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> <9edf8160711191110u503bfebrb8cb8f81e0fff9f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A62BF14@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> Thanks, Bob. If I'm understanding you correctly, you are saying that the MS Word save as Daisy plug-in will not necessarily result in readable files, and that you want Daisy to aim for the integration of its functions in mainstream publishing so that readability can be delivered completely. Both of these sound great by me. Only place where I would disagree is that we have to be pragmatic and move towards the ultimate goals as best we can. I think the save as Daisy plug-in is a pretty nifty thing in terms of evidence of our progress. For sure, we have yet to arrive, but we just passed an important landmark just the same. Jim Marks Director of Disability Services University of Montana jim.marks@umontana.edu http://www.umt.edu/dss/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Martinengo Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:10 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] The Thoughts of Chairman Bill Jim, So glad you asked that question - I'll try and keep the answer below novella length. DAISY is just a set of XML tags, plus a method for synchronizing audio to text (SMIL). When combined with a play-back mechanism, you have an accessible system that can do a lot of nice things for the user, just like Kurzweil is a nice system, one which is closed, instead of open like DAISY. Gates is saying that the important thing is to bring the functionality DAISY allows into mainstream publishing formats, something which George Kerscher and others have been working on with the IDPF with real success (see http://idpf.org/2007/ops/OPS_2.0_final_spec.html#Section2.4 ). But 'save as DAISY' puts the emphasis on DAISY as 'a thing of itself', something Gates does not see as 'creating the right dynamic', and I tend to agree. The dynamic is, disabled people need a special format. Publishers are not against accessibility per se, they just don't want it to open security holes or lose money. Publishers, and booksellers, are perfectly happy to sell accessible media, as long as it goes through the same channels as other media (see the RNIB's innovative work in this regard, http://www.pls.org.uk/ngen_public/article.asp?aid=338 ) Now, for those who may think I'm down on DAISY, take a look at a post from four years ago, where I proposed to do essentially the same thing as the plug-in ( http://htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu/read/messages?id=15467 ). The project didn't get funded, but the idea has been out there for years (I think the DAISY Consortium's approach to educational content has often been inspired by pioneers like Sam Ogami and Gaeir from the High-Tech Center). So, if the Consortium leadership wants to push DAISY as a brand, they should focus on the functionality of all digital media. 'DAISY Ok' could be a 508-like certification of functional requirements, not adherence to a particular tag set. As folks have already pointed out, a crappy Word file can be converted into a crappy DAISY file - technical compliance is not the goal - usability is. From accessible.text at gmail.com Mon Nov 19 13:45:06 2007 From: accessible.text at gmail.com (Robert Martinengo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] The Thoughts of Chairman Bill In-Reply-To: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A62BF14@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> References: <9edf8160711170749i78688f0jc1465a03708f8c05@mail.gmail.com> <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A62BEFE@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> <9edf8160711191110u503bfebrb8cb8f81e0fff9f2@mail.gmail.com> <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A62BF14@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> Message-ID: <9edf8160711191345n460c7741ob4bb64b05218438c@mail.gmail.com> Jim, You may be right, and I am always hoping to be pleasantly surprised. Thanks, Bob On Nov 19, 2007 4:13 PM, Marks, Jim wrote: > Thanks, Bob. If I'm understanding you correctly, you are saying that > the MS Word save as Daisy plug-in will not necessarily result in > readable files, and that you want Daisy to aim for the integration of > its functions in mainstream publishing so that readability can be > delivered completely. Both of these sound great by me. Only place > where I would disagree is that we have to be pragmatic and move towards > the ultimate goals as best we can. I think the save as Daisy plug-in is > a pretty nifty thing in terms of evidence of our progress. For sure, we > have yet to arrive, but we just passed an important landmark just the > same. > > > > > Jim Marks > Director of Disability Services > University of Montana > jim.marks@umontana.edu > http://www.umt.edu/dss/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Robert Martinengo > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:10 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] The Thoughts of Chairman Bill > > Jim, > > So glad you asked that question - I'll try and keep the answer below > novella length. > > DAISY is just a set of XML tags, plus a method for synchronizing audio > to text (SMIL). When combined with a play-back mechanism, you have an > accessible system that can do a lot of nice things for the user, just > like Kurzweil is a nice system, one which is closed, instead of open > like DAISY. > > Gates is saying that the important thing is to bring the functionality > DAISY allows into mainstream publishing formats, something which George > Kerscher and others have been working on with the IDPF with real success > (see > http://idpf.org/2007/ops/OPS_2.0_final_spec.html#Section2.4 ). But 'save > as DAISY' puts the emphasis on DAISY as 'a thing of itself', something > Gates does not see as 'creating the right dynamic', and I tend to agree. > The dynamic is, disabled people need a special format. > > Publishers are not against accessibility per se, they just don't want it > to open security holes or lose money. Publishers, and booksellers, are > perfectly happy to sell accessible media, as long as it goes through the > same channels as other media (see the RNIB's innovative work in this > regard, > http://www.pls.org.uk/ngen_public/article.asp?aid=338 ) > > Now, for those who may think I'm down on DAISY, take a look at a post > from four years ago, where I proposed to do essentially the same thing > as the plug-in ( > http://htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu/read/messages?id=15467 ). The project > didn't get funded, but the idea has been out there for years (I think > the DAISY Consortium's approach to educational content has often been > inspired by pioneers like Sam Ogami and Gaeir from the High-Tech > Center). > > So, if the Consortium leadership wants to push DAISY as a brand, they > should focus on the functionality of all digital media. 'DAISY Ok' > could be a 508-like certification of functional requirements, not > adherence to a particular tag set. As folks have already pointed out, a > crappy Word file can be converted into a crappy DAISY file - technical > compliance is not the goal - usability is. > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From dmurphy at collegeofthedesert.edu Mon Nov 19 14:07:16 2007 From: dmurphy at collegeofthedesert.edu (Daryl Murphy) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] The Thoughts of Chairman Bill In-Reply-To: <9edf8160711191345n460c7741ob4bb64b05218438c@mail.gmail.com> References: <9edf8160711170749i78688f0jc1465a03708f8c05@mail.gmail.com><14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A62BEFE@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu><9edf8160711191110u503bfebrb8cb8f81e0fff9f2@mail.gmail.com><14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A62BF14@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> <9edf8160711191345n460c7741ob4bb64b05218438c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <866D94404CE9D049B12203795063D4DC748254@Dccdmail3.dccd.cc.ca.us> The one thing I see and hear from people that are hoping for the holy grail, is to bash Microsoft, even before they release a product or add-in. If you seen some of the great things that Microsoft has done for our population in Windows Vista (under "Ease of Access", which is free with Vista) and the improvements in Office 2007, you might say "Thanks Microsoft". With the Speech Recognition in Vista, Microsoft has saved us thousands of dollars. Why don't we give both the Daisy Consortium and Microsoft a chance to see the final product (that is free with Word). After twenty years working with what we had back then and what we have now, I say Thank you to all the Vendors and Software Developers that have made our job easier. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Martinengo Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 01:45 To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] The Thoughts of Chairman Bill Jim, You may be right, and I am always hoping to be pleasantly surprised. Thanks, Bob On Nov 19, 2007 4:13 PM, Marks, Jim wrote: > Thanks, Bob. If I'm understanding you correctly, you are saying that > the MS Word save as Daisy plug-in will not necessarily result in > readable files, and that you want Daisy to aim for the integration of > its functions in mainstream publishing so that readability can be > delivered completely. Both of these sound great by me. Only place > where I would disagree is that we have to be pragmatic and move towards > the ultimate goals as best we can. I think the save as Daisy plug-in is > a pretty nifty thing in terms of evidence of our progress. For sure, we > have yet to arrive, but we just passed an important landmark just the > same. > > > > > Jim Marks > Director of Disability Services > University of Montana > jim.marks@umontana.edu > http://www.umt.edu/dss/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Robert Martinengo > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:10 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] The Thoughts of Chairman Bill > > Jim, > > So glad you asked that question - I'll try and keep the answer below > novella length. > > DAISY is just a set of XML tags, plus a method for synchronizing audio > to text (SMIL). When combined with a play-back mechanism, you have an > accessible system that can do a lot of nice things for the user, just > like Kurzweil is a nice system, one which is closed, instead of open > like DAISY. > > Gates is saying that the important thing is to bring the functionality > DAISY allows into mainstream publishing formats, something which George > Kerscher and others have been working on with the IDPF with real success > (see > http://idpf.org/2007/ops/OPS_2.0_final_spec.html#Section2.4 ). But 'save > as DAISY' puts the emphasis on DAISY as 'a thing of itself', something > Gates does not see as 'creating the right dynamic', and I tend to agree. > The dynamic is, disabled people need a special format. > > Publishers are not against accessibility per se, they just don't want it > to open security holes or lose money. Publishers, and booksellers, are > perfectly happy to sell accessible media, as long as it goes through the > same channels as other media (see the RNIB's innovative work in this > regard, > http://www.pls.org.uk/ngen_public/article.asp?aid=338 ) > > Now, for those who may think I'm down on DAISY, take a look at a post > from four years ago, where I proposed to do essentially the same thing > as the plug-in ( > http://htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu/read/messages?id=15467 ). The project > didn't get funded, but the idea has been out there for years (I think > the DAISY Consortium's approach to educational content has often been > inspired by pioneers like Sam Ogami and Gaeir from the High-Tech > Center). > > So, if the Consortium leadership wants to push DAISY as a brand, they > should focus on the functionality of all digital media. 'DAISY Ok' > could be a 508-like certification of functional requirements, not > adherence to a particular tag set. As folks have already pointed out, a > crappy Word file can be converted into a crappy DAISY file - technical > compliance is not the goal - usability is. > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From FosterS at sou.edu Tue Nov 20 09:01:30 2007 From: FosterS at sou.edu (Shawn Foster) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] ZoomText vs. Magic Message-ID: <4742A269.82C6.005A.0@sou.edu> Hello all: Looking for some advice from those who have more network knowledge than I do. Our campus currently supports ZoomText 9, network version. While users are quite happy with it, it's been a pain for our network IT staff to work with, as it's not really playing nice with other software. Therefore, I'm looking into other solutions for screen magnification & reading to see if we can get the same quality for the end user while lessening the burden on IT. (Our only heavy-duty ZoomText user is graduating this year, so have more freedom to make changes.) If you are running a network version of Magic, especially if you are working in a Novell environment, I'd love to hear from you. If you've got experience with both and can give some pros and cons, that would be even better! Thanks! Shawn Foster Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Services for Students Southern Oregon University email: fosters@sou.edu phone: (541)552-6213 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbailey at uoregon.edu Tue Nov 20 10:12:57 2007 From: jbailey at uoregon.edu (James Bailey) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] ZoomText vs. Magic In-Reply-To: <4742A269.82C6.005A.0@sou.edu> References: <4742A269.82C6.005A.0@sou.edu> Message-ID: <1195582377.292315.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> We're pretty happy with ZoomText, but if I were considering alternatives, I'd definitely check out Lunar by Dolphin.. -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:01:30 -0800, "Shawn Foster" wrote: > > Hello all: > > > > Looking for some advice from those who have more network knowledge than I do. Our campus currently supports ZoomText 9, network version. While users are quite happy with it, it's been a pain for our network IT staff to work with, as it's not really playing nice with other software. > > > > Therefore, I'm looking into other solutions for screen magnification & reading to see if we can get the same quality for the end user while lessening the burden on IT. (Our only heavy-duty ZoomText user is graduating this year, so have more freedom to make changes.) If you are running a network version of Magic, especially if you are working in a Novell environment, I'd love to hear from you. If you've got experience with both and can give some pros and cons, that would be even better! > > > > Thanks! > > > > > Shawn Foster > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Disability Services for Students > Southern Oregon University > email: fosters@sou.edu > phone: (541)552-6213 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From JWeier at stlcc.edu Tue Nov 20 10:50:46 2007 From: JWeier at stlcc.edu (Weier, James A.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] ZoomText vs. Magic Message-ID: If I were you Shawn I wouldn't go with Magic by Freedom Scientific. Sorry Freedom Scientific. I experimented with it awhile back and Magic has a function called "Smoothing". It is supposed to get rid of the pixelation and "blockyness" of fonts at higher magnifications. It does that, but now the edges of the fonts is wavy and not blocky. The wavyness can make your eyes kinda goofy. So, in the end, you can't beat the quality of the text at high magnifications of AiSquared Zoomtext or Dolphin Lunar. Smooth and crisp. One problem we had with Zoomtext 9 was a conflict with Cornerstone by Centurion Technologies. Cornerstone is software to protect hard drives from having anything saved to them. Basically, you can save to the hard drive at the moment you are working on it, but once you restart, all is gone. It really was a simple fix. It was something to do with the Cornerstone settings, but that's all the details I could give you on that issue. Otherwise, we have never had any problems with Zoomtext and software or hardware conflicts. Also, we don't use the networked version of Zoomtext. We use the standalone, Workstation version. This is due to how our campus network is setup, and each department managing their own lab computers. Why they do it this way is beyond me. I'd rather use the network version of any Assistive product...easier to manage, but unfortunately we have no choice. James A. Weier Adaptive Tech. Specialist/Access Office St. Louis Community College 3400 Pershall Road Ferguson, MO. 63135 314-513-4162 (voice) 314-513-4876 (fax) jweier@stlcc.edu There are three basic types, the wills, the won'ts, and the can'ts. The wills accomplish everything, the won'ts oppose everything, and the can'ts won't try anything. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Humbert contact information Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Thu Nov 22 07:11:48 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] New Membership Coordinator for ATHEN In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C7150@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <9edf8160711170749i78688f0jc1465a03708f8c05@mail.gmail.com><14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A62BEFE@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu><9edf8160711191110u503bfebrb8cb8f81e0fff9f2@mail.gmail.com><14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A62BF14@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu><9edf8160711191345n460c7741ob4bb64b05218438c@mail.gmail.com> <866D94404CE9D049B12203795063D4DC748254@Dccdmail3.dccd.cc.ca.us> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C7150@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <001f01c82d1a$0e4ebd20$2aec3760$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> He was, I thought this was something the exec had to agree to. Have a good Turkey day -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:03 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] New Membership Coordinator for ATHEN Greetings all, Just a quick note to announce a changing of the house guard - so to speak. Joe Humbert of Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) is taking over as Membership Coordinator. This is a non-elected position and he has been appointed by the fmr. Membership Coordinator (Dann Berkowitz). Joe Humbert contact information Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Thu Nov 22 07:40:47 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Recall: New Membership Coordinator for ATHEN Message-ID: Ron Stewart would like to recall the message, "[Athen] New Membership Coordinator for ATHEN". -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Secretary Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability From Glenda at webaccessibility.biz Fri Nov 23 09:59:02 2007 From: Glenda at webaccessibility.biz (Glenda Watson Hyatt - Soaring Eagle Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN now has a Facebook Group In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C7153@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: Great Dann! I just joined. This url may work better for some http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6394835841 Have a great weekend! Cheers, Glenda P.S. Please support my campaign to blog for a year by casting your vote daily at http://blogforayear.com/profiles/glenda-watson-hyatt. Thanks! Glenda Watson Hyatt, Principal Soaring Eagle Communications Accessible websites. Accessible content. Accessible solutions. www.webaccessibility.biz -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: November 23, 2007 9:38 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] ATHEN now has a Facebook Group The Access Technologists Higher Education network is pleased to announce that we now have a Facebook group . For those of you who have profiles - or are looking for an excuse to create one - now is your chance. Join us! Secretary Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.4/1147 - Release Date: 23/11/2007 9:19 AM From hascherdss at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 09:24:17 2007 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Heard of the Index Braille products? Message-ID: <6e0d34c90711260924t2e8bd455i32d2621fbbf1ad1a@mail.gmail.com> One of the other higher ed institutions in Arkansas is asking around about this brailler. Is anyone familiar with it? I figured if anyone around has heard of it, it would be someone in our great ATHENites! Their specific questions: It's very light, fairly small, but very fast for the price compared with Enabling Technologies models. Could it be plastic--it's SO much lighter than the ET models? Would it hold up over time? Would it work with Duxbury or would the software that comes with it (from Sweden I presume) work? It's quite a bit less expensive than the faster ET models, too. Embosser http://www.sighted.com/english/embossers.html Manugacturer http://www.indexbraille.com/ Thanks for any thoughts you might have. Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tdd) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Mon Nov 26 10:46:01 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Heard of the Index Braille products? In-Reply-To: <6e0d34c90711260924t2e8bd455i32d2621fbbf1ad1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e0d34c90711260924t2e8bd455i32d2621fbbf1ad1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00fc01c8305c$9977d130$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hi! These are the embossers that we use in the California community colleges. They do work with Duxbury. They are good embossers, although if anyone asks me for my personal recommendation, I always suggest the Juliet Pro. In particular, our campuses use the Index Basic-D. The major problems have been with the paper feeding. Some of the campuses have had an issue with that, and you sometimes have to tweak the cabinet hardware to resolve the issue. Here at the HTCTU, we also have the 4x4 Professional, which creates booklets. The Braille is embossed on 11x17 inch paper and is folded into an 8.5x11 booklet. Braille users love the portability. I wouldn't recommend it as the only embosser as it requires far more paper. For embossing small things that students need to carry to class, however, it can't be beat! Please let the person who is considering the purchase know that s/he can contact me directly. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:24 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Heard of the Index Braille products? One of the other higher ed institutions in Arkansas is asking around about this brailler. Is anyone familiar with it? I figured if anyone around has heard of it, it would be someone in our great ATHENites! Their specific questions: It's very light, fairly small, but very fast for the price compared with Enabling Technologies models. Could it be plastic--it's SO much lighter than the ET models? Would it hold up over time? Would it work with Duxbury or would the software that comes with it (from Sweden I presume) work? It's quite a bit less expensive than the faster ET models, too. Embosser http://www.sighted.com/english/embossers.html Manugacturer http://www.indexbraille.com/ Thanks for any thoughts you might have. Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tdd) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thaven at hawaii.edu Mon Nov 26 10:53:44 2007 From: thaven at hawaii.edu (Teresa LW Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Reminder Call For Papers: ATHEN E-Journal Issue #4 Message-ID: <003401c8305d$ab669e20$0c71ab80@KOKUAAT> Greetings, All. As we all waddle back to work after Thanksgiving and many of us prepare for the end-of-term avalanches, this is to remind you that ATHEN is now accepting paper submissions for issue number four of the ATHEN E-Journal. Based on responses to a query posted to the list sometime back, the topic for this issue is "Who Are We and What Do We Do?" When I asked awhile back what people wanted to read and write about, the overwhelming response was that people wanted to know what their colleagues were called at their various institutions, what their job descriptions said that they did, what they _really_ did, how their positions were structured, who they reported to (Disability Services, Information Technology, someone else?), the skills that they were expected to have -- in short, details about our various positions. The survey by Terry Thompson and colleagues has been investigating this question as well, so we hope that this issue of the E-Journal will contribute to that base of knowledge and benefit us all. If you would like to submit a paper, please ensure that it reaches me (thaven@hawaii.edu) no later than December 21, 2007. Please include your name, title, institution, and other relevant information; contact me off-list (thaven@hawaii.edu) with questions or concerns. Thanks, and wishing you peace at this hectic time of year, Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Haven Access Technology Specialist KOKUA Program University of Hawai'i Manoa +++++++++++++++++++++++ From hascherdss at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 12:50:22 2007 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Heard of the Index Braille products? In-Reply-To: <00fc01c8305c$9977d130$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <6e0d34c90711260924t2e8bd455i32d2621fbbf1ad1a@mail.gmail.com> <00fc01c8305c$9977d130$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <6e0d34c90711261250p17483b88j14f7231a3d243b4e@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, Teresa and Gaier! I'll pass along your input. I'm sure they will appreciate it and find it very helpful!!! Heidi On Nov 26, 2007 12:46 PM, Gaeir Dietrich wrote: > Hi! > > > > These are the embossers that we use in the California community colleges. > They do work with Duxbury. They are good embossers, although if anyone asks > me for my personal recommendation, I always suggest the Juliet Pro. > > > > In particular, our campuses use the Index Basic-D. The major problems have > been with the paper feeding. Some of the campuses have had an issue with > that, and you sometimes have to tweak the cabinet hardware to resolve the > issue. > > > > Here at the HTCTU, we also have the 4x4 Professional, which creates > booklets. The Braille is embossed on 11x17 inch paper and is folded into an > 8.5x11 booklet. Braille users love the portability. I wouldn't recommend > it as the only embosser as it requires far more paper. For embossing small > things that students need to carry to class, however, it can't be beat! > > > > Please let the person who is considering the purchase know that s/he can > contact me directly. > > ****************************************************** > Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich > High Tech Center Training Unit of the > California Community Colleges > De Anza College, Cupertino, CA > www.htctu.net > 408-996-6043 > ------------------------------ > > *From:* athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] *On > Behalf Of *Heidi Scher > *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2007 9:24 AM > *To:* Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > *Subject:* [Athen] Heard of the Index Braille products? > > > > One of the other higher ed institutions in Arkansas is asking around about > this brailler. Is anyone familiar with it? I figured if anyone around has > heard of it, it would be someone in our great ATHENites! > > Their specific questions: > > > It's very light, fairly small, but very fast for the price compared with > Enabling Technologies models. Could it be plastic--it's SO much lighter than > the ET models? Would it hold up over time? Would it work with Duxbury or > would the software that comes with it (from Sweden I presume) work? It's > quite a bit less expensive than the faster ET models, too. > > > > Embosser > > http://www.sighted.com/english/embossers.html > > > > Manugacturer > > http://www.indexbraille.com/ > > > > Thanks for any thoughts you might have. > > Heidi > > -- > > Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC > > Interim Assistant Director > > Center for Educational Access > > University of Arkansas > > 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 > Fayetteville, AR 72701 > (479) 575-3104 (voice) > (479) 575-7445 (fax) > (479) 575-3646 (tdd) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ea at emptech.info Mon Nov 26 15:41:50 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Reminder Call For Papers: ATHEN E-Journal Issue #4 In-Reply-To: <003401c8305d$ab669e20$0c71ab80@KOKUAAT> References: <003401c8305d$ab669e20$0c71ab80@KOKUAAT> Message-ID: <006601c83085$ec1aebb0$c450c310$@info> I have just read a document related to several colleges and universities in Scotland and could not resist chuckling over the various titles provided by the practitioners - they were not AT specific but related to e-learning. A bit bleak when it comes to information about the individual's understanding of how to make accessible documents and change basic elements in Windows. http://www.rsc-ne-scotland.ac.uk/publications.php#access_survey Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab, ECS, University of Southampton, Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa LW Haven Sent: 26 November 2007 18:54 To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Reminder Call For Papers: ATHEN E-Journal Issue #4 Greetings, All. As we all waddle back to work after Thanksgiving and many of us prepare for the end-of-term avalanches, this is to remind you that ATHEN is now accepting paper submissions for issue number four of the ATHEN E-Journal. Based on responses to a query posted to the list sometime back, the topic for this issue is "Who Are We and What Do We Do?" When I asked awhile back what people wanted to read and write about, the overwhelming response was that people wanted to know what their colleagues were called at their various institutions, what their job descriptions said that they did, what they _really_ did, how their positions were structured, who they reported to (Disability Services, Information Technology, someone else?), the skills that they were expected to have -- in short, details about our various positions. The survey by Terry Thompson and colleagues has been investigating this question as well, so we hope that this issue of the E-Journal will contribute to that base of knowledge and benefit us all. If you would like to submit a paper, please ensure that it reaches me (thaven@hawaii.edu) no later than December 21, 2007. Please include your name, title, institution, and other relevant information; contact me off-list (thaven@hawaii.edu) with questions or concerns. Thanks, and wishing you peace at this hectic time of year, Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Haven Access Technology Specialist KOKUA Program University of Hawai'i Manoa +++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From pratikp1 at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 02:42:09 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Heard of the Index Braille products? In-Reply-To: <00fc01c8305c$9977d130$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <6e0d34c90711260924t2e8bd455i32d2621fbbf1ad1a@mail.gmail.com> <00fc01c8305c$9977d130$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <05f401c830e2$2a458380$7ed08a80$@com> Please note that this is a personal opinion from a Braille reader. This was a printer we used to recommend when the Index Basic D was first released. It is one of the most light-weight, easy to configure devices on the market. Some may find the speech accent for the configuration program a bit off-putting. The noise levels are manageable with the acoustic cabinet. The embosser definitely has some significant problem with paper feeding. My concern with this particular model is the Braille quality. Single-sided embossing is not a problem. When moving to double-sided (interpoint) embossing, however, I found the quality to be less than stellar. No matter how heavy a paper stock we used, the Braille was never as crisp as it should have been. My opinion on the Braille quality seemed to be shared by quite a few of our noncasual Braille readers. I noticed the same problem on all of the models we placed on our campuses. Because of that problem, we switched our recommendation to the Juliet Pro, which has similar features with a slightly larger footprint and a similar price. Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any questions. Regards, Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech. The City University of New York From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:46 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Heard of the Index Braille products? Hi! These are the embossers that we use in the California community colleges. They do work with Duxbury. They are good embossers, although if anyone asks me for my personal recommendation, I always suggest the Juliet Pro. In particular, our campuses use the Index Basic-D. The major problems have been with the paper feeding. Some of the campuses have had an issue with that, and you sometimes have to tweak the cabinet hardware to resolve the issue. Here at the HTCTU, we also have the 4x4 Professional, which creates booklets. The Braille is embossed on 11x17 inch paper and is folded into an 8.5x11 booklet. Braille users love the portability. I wouldn't recommend it as the only embosser as it requires far more paper. For embossing small things that students need to carry to class, however, it can't be beat! Please let the person who is considering the purchase know that s/he can contact me directly. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:24 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Heard of the Index Braille products? One of the other higher ed institutions in Arkansas is asking around about this brailler. Is anyone familiar with it? I figured if anyone around has heard of it, it would be someone in our great ATHENites! Their specific questions: It's very light, fairly small, but very fast for the price compared with Enabling Technologies models. Could it be plastic--it's SO much lighter than the ET models? Would it hold up over time? Would it work with Duxbury or would the software that comes with it (from Sweden I presume) work? It's quite a bit less expensive than the faster ET models, too. Embosser http://www.sighted.com/english/embossers.html Manugacturer http://www.indexbraille.com/ Thanks for any thoughts you might have. Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tdd) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Tue Nov 27 05:57:11 2007 From: ron at ahead.org (ron@ahead.org) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] (no subject) Message-ID: <001801c830fd$6ac71430$40553c90$@org> Some may find this report interesting, one of the most problematic areas for accessibility is the Distance Learning space at all levels. http://www.nacol.org/docs/NACOL_EquityAccess.pdf Ron ********************************************************************* Ron Stewart MS Technology Advisor Association on Higher Education and Disabillites Chair AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group 231 Clarksville Rd Suite 3 Princeton Junction, NJ 08550 Direct: 609 803-2174 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 609 799-0475 ron@ahead.org http://www.ahead.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hascherdss at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 06:59:11 2007 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Heard of the Index Braille products? In-Reply-To: <05f401c830e2$2a458380$7ed08a80$@com> References: <6e0d34c90711260924t2e8bd455i32d2621fbbf1ad1a@mail.gmail.com> <00fc01c8305c$9977d130$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <05f401c830e2$2a458380$7ed08a80$@com> Message-ID: <6e0d34c90711270659y7eb383aav3c4014357e354f0c@mail.gmail.com> Thanks again, to everyone! I've passed along all the comments so the inquiring minds can make their own decision. I do appreciate everyone's input! Heidi On Nov 27, 2007 4:42 AM, Pratik Patel wrote: > Please note that this is a personal opinion from a Braille reader. > > > > This was a printer we used to recommend when the Index Basic D was first > released. It is one of the most light-weight, easy to configure devices on > the market. Some may find the speech accent for the configuration program a > bit off-putting. The noise levels are manageable with the acoustic cabinet. > The embosser definitely has some significant problem with paper feeding. My > concern with this particular model is the Braille quality. Single-sided > embossing is not a problem. When moving to double-sided (interpoint) > embossing, however, I found the quality to be less than stellar. No matter > how heavy a paper stock we used, the Braille was never as crisp as it should > have been. My opinion on the Braille quality seemed to be shared by quite a > few of our noncasual Braille readers. I noticed the same problem on all of > the models we placed on our campuses. Because of that problem, we switched > our recommendation to the Juliet Pro, which has similar features with a > slightly larger footprint and a similar price. > > > > Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any questions. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Pratik Patel > > Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech. > > The City University of New York > > > > *From:* athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] *On > Behalf Of *Gaeir Dietrich > *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2007 1:46 PM > *To:* 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Heard of the Index Braille products? > > > > Hi! > > > > These are the embossers that we use in the California community colleges. > They do work with Duxbury. They are good embossers, although if anyone asks > me for my personal recommendation, I always suggest the Juliet Pro. > > > > In particular, our campuses use the Index Basic-D. The major problems have > been with the paper feeding. Some of the campuses have had an issue with > that, and you sometimes have to tweak the cabinet hardware to resolve the > issue. > > > > Here at the HTCTU, we also have the 4x4 Professional, which creates > booklets. The Braille is embossed on 11x17 inch paper and is folded into an > 8.5x11 booklet. Braille users love the portability. I wouldn't recommend > it as the only embosser as it requires far more paper. For embossing small > things that students need to carry to class, however, it can't be beat! > > > > Please let the person who is considering the purchase know that s/he can > contact me directly. > > ****************************************************** > Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich > High Tech Center Training Unit of the > California Community Colleges > De Anza College, Cupertino, CA > www.htctu.net > 408-996-6043 > ------------------------------ > > *From:* athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] *On > Behalf Of *Heidi Scher > *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2007 9:24 AM > *To:* Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > *Subject:* [Athen] Heard of the Index Braille products? > > > > One of the other higher ed institutions in Arkansas is asking around about > this brailler. Is anyone familiar with it? I figured if anyone around has > heard of it, it would be someone in our great ATHENites! > > Their specific questions: > > > It's very light, fairly small, but very fast for the price compared with > Enabling Technologies models. Could it be plastic--it's SO much lighter than > the ET models? Would it hold up over time? Would it work with Duxbury or > would the software that comes with it (from Sweden I presume) work? It's > quite a bit less expensive than the faster ET models, too. > > > > Embosser > > http://www.sighted.com/english/embossers.html > > > > Manugacturer > > http://www.indexbraille.com/ > > > > Thanks for any thoughts you might have. > > Heidi > > -- > > Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC > > Interim Assistant Director > > Center for Educational Access > > University of Arkansas > > 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 > Fayetteville, AR 72701 > (479) 575-3104 (voice) > (479) 575-7445 (fax) > (479) 575-3646 (tdd) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Tue Nov 27 07:10:14 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon 9 and Window Eyes Message-ID: <005e01c83107$a9ab5850$fd0208f0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Good morning, Can anyone point me to any resources on using the latest version of WindowEyes and DNS together. They seem to get along fairly well, but what I am really hoping to find is a set file for DNS. Ron ********************************************************************* Ron Stewart Vice President for Operations Dolphin Computer Access Inc. 231 Clarksville RD Suite 3 Princeton Junction, NJ 08550 Direct: 609 803-2174 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Sales (toll free): 866 797-5921 Support: 866 797-5921 Fax: 609 799-0475 ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com http://www.dolphinusa.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edward at ngtvoice.com Tue Nov 27 10:32:32 2007 From: edward at ngtvoice.com (Ed. Rosenthal) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon 9 and Window Eyes In-Reply-To: <005e01c83107$a9ab5850$fd0208f0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <005e01c83107$a9ab5850$fd0208f0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <007e01c83123$e3cb3160$ab619420$@com> Ron-I don't know of any scripts or set files currently being produced for Dragon NaturallySpeaking and WindowEyes. As you have rightly pointed out, the two applications do play well together... but often blind users don't find enough supporting functionality between the two to be highly functioning with both products. I'm going to post on some of the other lists that I occupy and will repost if anybody has new information for you. -ed. Edward S. Rosenthal, President and CEO, Next Generation Technologies Inc. 20006 Cedar Valley Rd. #101, Lynnwood, WA 98036 Phone: 425-744-1100 extension 15; Fax: 425-778-5547 E-Mail: edward@ngtvoice.com Skype: ed.rosenthal7 WWW: ngtvoice.com This document was generated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking ver. 9 speech recognition technology. Please disregard any remaining misrecognitions. From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:10 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Dragon 9 and Window Eyes Good morning, Can anyone point me to any resources on using the latest version of WindowEyes and DNS together. They seem to get along fairly well, but what I am really hoping to find is a set file for DNS. Ron ********************************************************************* Ron Stewart Vice President for Operations Dolphin Computer Access Inc. 231 Clarksville RD Suite 3 Princeton Junction, NJ 08550 Direct: 609 803-2174 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Sales (toll free): 866 797-5921 Support: 866 797-5921 Fax: 609 799-0475 ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com http://www.dolphinusa.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Tue Nov 27 11:00:06 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon 9 and Window Eyes In-Reply-To: <007e01c83123$e3cb3160$ab619420$@com> References: <005e01c83107$a9ab5850$fd0208f0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <007e01c83123$e3cb3160$ab619420$@com> Message-ID: <019201c83127$ba2a0260$2e7e0720$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Thanks much, it is greatly appreciated. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ed. Rosenthal Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:33 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon 9 and Window Eyes Ron-I don't know of any scripts or set files currently being produced for Dragon NaturallySpeaking and WindowEyes. As you have rightly pointed out, the two applications do play well together... but often blind users don't find enough supporting functionality between the two to be highly functioning with both products. I'm going to post on some of the other lists that I occupy and will repost if anybody has new information for you. -ed. Edward S. Rosenthal, President and CEO, Next Generation Technologies Inc. 20006 Cedar Valley Rd. #101, Lynnwood, WA 98036 Phone: 425-744-1100 extension 15; Fax: 425-778-5547 E-Mail: edward@ngtvoice.com Skype: ed.rosenthal7 WWW: ngtvoice.com This document was generated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking ver. 9 speech recognition technology. Please disregard any remaining misrecognitions. From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:10 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Dragon 9 and Window Eyes Good morning, Can anyone point me to any resources on using the latest version of WindowEyes and DNS together. They seem to get along fairly well, but what I am really hoping to find is a set file for DNS. Ron ********************************************************************* Ron Stewart Vice President for Operations Dolphin Computer Access Inc. 231 Clarksville RD Suite 3 Princeton Junction, NJ 08550 Direct: 609 803-2174 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Sales (toll free): 866 797-5921 Support: 866 797-5921 Fax: 609 799-0475 ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com http://www.dolphinusa.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Project will take place over a six month period and will include: one face-to-face meeting, teleconferences, and e-mail communications. Travel expenses will be covered by the Project. If you are qualified for this study and are interested in participating, please contact Debbie Sitar at deb@mcsitar.com for further information. For more information about UEB, visit the Canadian Braille Authority website at www.canadianbrailleauthority.ca. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbailey at uoregon.edu Tue Nov 27 12:03:11 2007 From: jbailey at uoregon.edu (James Bailey) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] microsoft and novell collaborate on accessibility Message-ID: <1196193791.853445.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> This is related to their Windows/Linux collaboration. http://tinyurl.com/2u42fg -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu From pratikp1 at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 12:42:04 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon 9 and Window Eyes In-Reply-To: <019201c83127$ba2a0260$2e7e0720$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <005e01c83107$a9ab5850$fd0208f0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <007e01c83123$e3cb3160$ab619420$@com> <019201c83127$ba2a0260$2e7e0720$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <07f001c83135$f980e1a0$ec82a4e0$@com> Ron, I follow the discussions on the GW Micro's Window-Eyes list. Many inquiries do come up regarding Naturallyspeaking and Window-eyes support. Unfortunately the set file capability is severely limited for what is needed to customize Window-Eyes for the Natspeak environment. I know of no set files that make the experience any better. Pratik Pratik Patel Director, IT Access. Director, PeopleTech. The City University of New York From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:00 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon 9 and Window Eyes Thanks much, it is greatly appreciated. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ed. Rosenthal Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:33 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon 9 and Window Eyes Ron-I don't know of any scripts or set files currently being produced for Dragon NaturallySpeaking and WindowEyes. As you have rightly pointed out, the two applications do play well together... but often blind users don't find enough supporting functionality between the two to be highly functioning with both products. I'm going to post on some of the other lists that I occupy and will repost if anybody has new information for you. -ed. Edward S. Rosenthal, President and CEO, Next Generation Technologies Inc. 20006 Cedar Valley Rd. #101, Lynnwood, WA 98036 Phone: 425-744-1100 extension 15; Fax: 425-778-5547 E-Mail: edward@ngtvoice.com Skype: ed.rosenthal7 WWW: ngtvoice.com This document was generated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking ver. 9 speech recognition technology. Please disregard any remaining misrecognitions. From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:10 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Dragon 9 and Window Eyes Good morning, Can anyone point me to any resources on using the latest version of WindowEyes and DNS together. They seem to get along fairly well, but what I am really hoping to find is a set file for DNS. Ron ********************************************************************* Ron Stewart Vice President for Operations Dolphin Computer Access Inc. 231 Clarksville RD Suite 3 Princeton Junction, NJ 08550 Direct: 609 803-2174 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Sales (toll free): 866 797-5921 Support: 866 797-5921 Fax: 609 799-0475 ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com http://www.dolphinusa.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Email: Edamery@freedomscientific.com Web: www.freedomscientific.com Phone: 800-444-4443 in USA, Phone: 1-727-803-8000 (worldwide) Sponsor: The Accessible World in partnership with Talking Communities Date: Monday, December 3, 2007 Time: 5:00 p.m. Pacific, 6:00 p.m. Mountain, 7:00 p.m. Central, 8:00 p.m. Eastern and elsewhere in the world Tuesday 1:00 GMT Time. Where: Tek Talk Conference Room at http://www.accessibleworld.org. Or, (Direct Link: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 The Accessible World is deeply honored this week to have as its Tek Talk guest presenter Eric Damery, Vice President, Software Product Management for Freedom Scientific, Inc. who will provide an overview of the JAWS 9 release highlighting some of the key changes and some explanation and tips on using them. Additionally, he will discuss several aspects of JAWS such as the Training Material included and posted on the JAWS Headquarters, features that have been in JAWS which most users may not understand or use, and how JAWS is being incorporated into MAGic to provide a very powerful Magnification solution with world class speech and a fully functional scripting language. It is possible that Eric will also talk about the JAWS Users List and website and how users may benefit from such a resource. Following the presentation, Eric plans on providing lots of time for questions and answers! Don't miss this opportunity to invite all your friends and colleagues. All online interactive programs are open to everyone worldwide. There is no direct cost, and no need to register. . NO PASSWORD IS REQUIRED. If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that you need to download and then run. A link to the software is available on every entry screen to the Accessible World online rooms. From ahead at ahead.org Thu Nov 29 06:12:25 2007 From: ahead at ahead.org (ahead@ahead.org) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Elections Message-ID: <00a201c83291$ddbbfab0$9933f010$@org> Good morning Athenians, It would appear that we may not have conducted the recent elections in full accordance with the Bylaws and I have received a complaint in that regards. There is some discussion amongst the Exec Committee as to the efficacy of this complaint, but none the less there has been a recommendation that we redo the elections and so we shall. Due to this I have asked Dan Comden to oversee a new election and to insure that it is conducted in full accordance with our bylaws. I must take full responsibility for this, in my rush to insure that the elections were held at AHG I did not follow the letter of the law it would seem. My apologies to all of you in this regard. 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Thorne Blvd. Houston, TX 77073-3499 (281) 618-5745 FAX: (281) 618-7107 E-mail: glenda.hong@nhmccd.edu <> "A woman is like a teabag -- only in hot water do you realize how strong she is." Nancy Reagan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ole0.bmp Type: image/bmp Size: 19230 bytes Desc: Picture (Metafile) URL: From accessible.text at gmail.com Thu Nov 29 13:53:50 2007 From: accessible.text at gmail.com (Robert Martinengo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Jim Fruchterman on Bookshare Message-ID: <9edf8160711291353p205138f1ye3627719bc5c0ef9@mail.gmail.com> Jim Fruchterman gave an interesting talk on the future of Bookshare. You can listen to it here: http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/#Audio_and_Text_Summary_Archives One thing I recall Jim saying was that many of the books donated to Bookshare by colleges did not go into the collection due to quality issues. From gdausch at notes.cc.sunysb.edu Thu Nov 29 13:55:04 2007 From: gdausch at notes.cc.sunysb.edu (gdausch@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] MAC and DAISY access In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, I believe that the victor reader software comes in a mac version. Glenn Dausch Disability Support Services 128 Educational Communications Center Stony Brook University Stony Brook, NY 11794-2662 631 632 6548 From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Thu Nov 29 13:56:56 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Jim Fruchterman on Bookshare In-Reply-To: <9edf8160711291353p205138f1ye3627719bc5c0ef9@mail.gmail.com> References: <9edf8160711291353p205138f1ye3627719bc5c0ef9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002e01c832d2$c27508f0$475f1ad0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> That is probably an understatement. Last I heard less than 10% of the Books HE's donated made it into the collection. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Martinengo Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:54 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Jim Fruchterman on Bookshare Jim Fruchterman gave an interesting talk on the future of Bookshare. You can listen to it here: http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/#Audio_and_Text_Summary_Archives One thing I recall Jim saying was that many of the books donated to Bookshare by colleges did not go into the collection due to quality issues. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From accessible.text at gmail.com Thu Nov 29 14:00:15 2007 From: accessible.text at gmail.com (Robert Martinengo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Jim Fruchterman on Bookshare In-Reply-To: <-4660817297870942271@unknownmsgid> References: <9edf8160711291353p205138f1ye3627719bc5c0ef9@mail.gmail.com> <-4660817297870942271@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <9edf8160711291400p72a68ccbl781d043acdfc6750@mail.gmail.com> Well, here's hoping they alleviate the need for us to do so much scanning anyhow! On Nov 29, 2007 4:56 PM, Ron Stewart wrote: > That is probably an understatement. Last I heard less than 10% of the Books > HE's donated made it into the collection. > > Ron > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Robert Martinengo > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:54 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Jim Fruchterman on Bookshare > > Jim Fruchterman gave an interesting talk on the future of Bookshare. > You can listen to it here: > http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/#Audio_and_Text_Summary_Archives > > One thing I recall Jim saying was that many of the books donated to > Bookshare by colleges did not go into the collection due to quality > issues. > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From thaven at hawaii.edu Thu Nov 29 14:02:32 2007 From: thaven at hawaii.edu (Teresa LW Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Jim Fruchterman on Bookshare In-Reply-To: <002e01c832d2$c27508f0$475f1ad0$%stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <006201c832d3$8aea2c70$0c71ab80@KOKUAAT> Wow, that's rather sad. At Arkansas we were donating a large volume of books and in two years only had two books rejected -- one because it was a duplicate that someone else submitted at almost the same time, and one because it failed quality control (although we never figured out why that one failed and all our others passed). Teresa -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:57 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Jim Fruchterman on Bookshare That is probably an understatement. Last I heard less than 10% of the Books HE's donated made it into the collection. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Martinengo Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:54 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Jim Fruchterman on Bookshare Jim Fruchterman gave an interesting talk on the future of Bookshare. You can listen to it here: http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/#Audio_and_Text_Summary_Archives One thing I recall Jim saying was that many of the books donated to Bookshare by colleges did not go into the collection due to quality issues. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Thu Nov 29 14:08:21 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Jim Fruchterman on Bookshare In-Reply-To: <9edf8160711291400p72a68ccbl781d043acdfc6750@mail.gmail.com> References: <9edf8160711291353p205138f1ye3627719bc5c0ef9@mail.gmail.com> <-4660817297870942271@unknownmsgid> <9edf8160711291400p72a68ccbl781d043acdfc6750@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003201c832d4$5ac93350$105b99f0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Don't hold your breath most HE's are not allowed to participate in Bookshare do to concerns about copyright law. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Martinengo Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:00 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Jim Fruchterman on Bookshare Well, here's hoping they alleviate the need for us to do so much scanning anyhow! On Nov 29, 2007 4:56 PM, Ron Stewart wrote: > That is probably an understatement. Last I heard less than 10% of the Books > HE's donated made it into the collection. > > Ron > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Robert Martinengo > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:54 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Jim Fruchterman on Bookshare > > Jim Fruchterman gave an interesting talk on the future of Bookshare. > You can listen to it here: > http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/#Audio_and_Text_Summary_Archives > > One thing I recall Jim saying was that many of the books donated to > Bookshare by colleges did not go into the collection due to quality > issues. > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From jbailey at uoregon.edu Fri Nov 30 13:32:44 2007 From: jbailey at uoregon.edu (James Bailey) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Assistive Technology Specialist UNLV Message-ID: <1196458364.915526.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> Here is a job listing for UNLV. A 1,000 pardons if it has already appeared on this list. /jb -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu --- Forwarded Message --- Subject: Assistive Technology Specialist From: Clark.Hochstetler@unlv.edu To: jbailey@uoregon.edu Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:17:44 -0800 Hi James! We are in search of AT Specialist for UNLV. Can you share this information with people or groups that you think might be interested in this? Its advertised at this link below. Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide. http://www.higheredjobs.com/state/details.cfm?JobCode=175280443 Clark Hochstetler, Director Disability Resource Center University of Nevada, Las Vegas 4505 Maryland Parkway Box 452015 Las Vegas, Nevada 89154-2015 Voice 702-895-0654 Fax - 702-895-0651 TDD -702-895-0652