From pratikp1 at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 03:18:31 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] [ATHEN] Audio cds In-Reply-To: <1188576936.287697.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> References: <004f01c7ebdb$af89b030$0e9d1090$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <1188576936.287697.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> Message-ID: <02b001c7ed4a$9d5b2ef0$d8118cd0$@com> And, let me be the dispenser of even better news. In ever courtroom, there is a chance that all attorneys are wrong except for the judge. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of James Bailey Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 12:16 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [ATHEN] Audio cds Since I am dispensing warm and fuzzy optimism let me end your week with this one: In every courtroom convened in the land today, there is at least one attorney who is wrong. - James -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:31:57 -0400, "Ron Stewart" wrote: > There is something to be said for flying under the radar. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of James Bailey > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:12 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [ATHEN] Audio cds > > The fact that there is *no* case law speaks volumes. I think we're all > doing a pretty good job interpreting conflicting laws and meeting student > needs. Keep it up. > > James > > -- > James Bailey > Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon > 1299 University of Oregon > Eugene, OR 97403-1299 > Office: 541-346-1076 > jbailey@uoregon.edu > > On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:09:25 -0400, "Ron Stewart" > wrote: > > Oh I so wish it was even close to being that black and white, my life > would > > be much less interesting. > > > > What is legal or illegal is a discussion to have with the legal > > respresentative of your institution, and what they have to say is what you > > should follow. > > Anything else is just opinion because there is no case law to make an > actual > > legal determination from. > > > > Ron Stewart > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > > Behalf Of Hausler,Jesse > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:44 AM > > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] [ATHEN] Audio cds > > > > It is illegal to distribute any unauthorized copies of copyrighted > material. > > All file formats are the same when it comes to this. > > > > If it's not copyrighted material, permissions have been granted, then > > there's nothing to worry about. > > > > Jesse Hausler > > Coordinator of Assistive Technology IT > > Assistive Technology Resource Center > > Colorado State University > > 970-491-0625 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > > Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M. > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:00 AM > > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] [ATHEN] Audio cds > > > > I heard it on a podcast, I don't know if I can find an actual story on it, > > but the patent lawsuit was thrown out. > > > > Susan Kelmer > > Coordinator > > Information ACCESS Lab > > St. Louis Community College at Meramec > > 314/984-7951 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron at ahead.org Tue Sep 4 12:28:50 2007 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] Macs and Braille translation Message-ID: <008b01c7ef29$d34376e0$79ca64a0$@org> Good afternoon, any recommendations of a current solution for producing Braille materials in a MAC only environment. Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Tue Sep 4 12:47:48 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] Macs and Braille translation In-Reply-To: <008b01c7ef29$d34376e0$79ca64a0$@org> References: <008b01c7ef29$d34376e0$79ca64a0$@org> Message-ID: <007c01c7ef2c$7928e070$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> As I recall, Duxbury no longer supports a Mac product, and to the best of my knowledge, the new program released by Greg Kearney may be your best bet for the Mac. It's also free, which is nice. See below. The ATMac Website has some good tips on Mac access: http://atmac.org/ Good luck! ******************* New Macintosh Braille Translator Released Thursday, June 14th, 2007 Greg Kearney has released Louis - The Macintosh Braille Translator, version 1.0. It can be downloaded from http://w3.wmcnet.org/braille/louis/. The full release announcement follows: DESCRIPTION: Louis is a full featured braille translator for the Apple Macintosh. Designed around liblouis and liblouisxml Louis is designed to produce braille in a wide range of formats and languages. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:29 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'; 'Alternate Media' Subject: [Athen] Macs and Braille translation Good afternoon, any recommendations of a current solution for producing Braille materials in a MAC only environment. Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Tue Sep 4 13:19:23 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] Macs and Braille translation In-Reply-To: <007c01c7ef2c$7928e070$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <008b01c7ef29$d34376e0$79ca64a0$@org> <007c01c7ef2c$7928e070$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <000901c7ef30$e55b67f0$b01237d0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> That is correct and this is the one that I found as well. Anyone used it? Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 3:48 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Macs and Braille translation As I recall, Duxbury no longer supports a Mac product, and to the best of my knowledge, the new program released by Greg Kearney may be your best bet for the Mac. It's also free, which is nice. See below. The ATMac Website has some good tips on Mac access: http://atmac.org/ Good luck! ******************* New Macintosh Braille Translator Released Thursday, June 14th, 2007 Greg Kearney has released Louis - The Macintosh Braille Translator, version 1.0. It can be downloaded from http://w3.wmcnet.org/braille/louis/. The full release announcement follows: DESCRIPTION: Louis is a full featured braille translator for the Apple Macintosh. Designed around liblouis and liblouisxml Louis is designed to produce braille in a wide range of formats and languages. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:29 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'; 'Alternate Media' Subject: [Athen] Macs and Braille translation Good afternoon, any recommendations of a current solution for producing Braille materials in a MAC only environment. Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norm.coombs at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 13:56:51 2007 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible E-books in Higher Ed, the Future is Coming Thursday, September 27 (2PM Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20070904135640.02210b50@pop.gmail.com> Accessible E-books in Higher Ed, the Future is Coming Thursday, September 27 (2PM EASTERN) Presenter, Ron Stewart This Webinar is free and open to everyone, but you need to register in advance to reserve a "seat" in the online conference room! Currently three national initiatives are underway to attempt to bring a level playing field to the educational experiences of students with print disabilities. 1. The National Instructional Materials Standard, 2. the Alternative Format Solutions Initiative of the American Association of Publishers, 3. AHEAD's E-Text Solutions Group These 3 organizations are all working from different perspectives to attempt to insure that curricular access is provided across the educational spectrum in the United States. This session will present and explore an overview of these three efforts, as well as present for discussion the challenges and benefits of each for our community. Recent technology is providing e-text books that are easier to navigate and have vastly improved usefulness. The alternative text user has access, navigation and control of the document that is about as good as that of print users and provides a significant step forward in leveling the learning space both in higher education and in K-12. Authoring tools are also being created that makes it simpler to provide such e-texts. Students need to know how to locate such e-books and providers need to learn how to create them. You can register by following the links at http://easi.cc/clinic.htm We also have a free multimedia demonstration of a simple way to check your Web pages for accessibility. Making accessible Web design is essential for making your information an course content usable by everyone. With the free AIS Accessibility Toolbar anyone can look at pages and instantly know what needs to be done to make the pages accessible. For a free Quicktime multimedia overview of the Power of the AIS toolbar, send an email message to easi15@easi.cc. -------- Note the October EASI online course is Barrier-free Web Design http://easi.cc/workshops/easiweb.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.gardner at orst.edu Tue Sep 4 15:21:25 2007 From: john.gardner at orst.edu (John Gardner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] Macs and Braille translation In-Reply-To: <000901c7ef30$e55b67f0$b01237d0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <008b01c7ef29$d34376e0$79ca64a0$@org><007c01c7ef2c$7928e070$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <000901c7ef30$e55b67f0$b01237d0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <00b501c7ef41$eee4c030$a11919ac@johnz> Hi Ron, I haven't used this application, but I know that it uses the liblouisxml braille translator that John Boyer has written. ViewPlus is the major sponsor of that open source project and is currently working on debugging. The literary braille and Nemeth math are both fairly good right now. I know it can input both XHTML and DAISY with math in MathML. Greg Kerney is very approachable if you have questions about the UI parts. John _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 1:19 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Macs and Braille translation That is correct and this is the one that I found as well. Anyone used it? Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 3:48 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Macs and Braille translation As I recall, Duxbury no longer supports a Mac product, and to the best of my knowledge, the new program released by Greg Kearney may be your best bet for the Mac. It's also free, which is nice. See below. The ATMac Website has some good tips on Mac access: http://atmac.org/ Good luck! ******************* New Macintosh Braille Translator Released Thursday, June 14th, 2007 Greg Kearney has released Louis - The Macintosh Braille Translator, version 1.0. It can be downloaded from http://w3.wmcnet.org/braille/louis/. The full release announcement follows: DESCRIPTION: Louis is a full featured braille translator for the Apple Macintosh. Designed around liblouis and liblouisxml Louis is designed to produce braille in a wide range of formats and languages. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:29 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'; 'Alternate Media' Subject: [Athen] Macs and Braille translation Good afternoon, any recommendations of a current solution for producing Braille materials in a MAC only environment. Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu Wed Sep 5 12:14:06 2007 From: saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu (Saroj Primlani) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 20, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001e01c7eff0$edd72d40$95c30798@sarojnewlaptop> John, Where can I get the tool? I am really interested in testing how well it would work translating from any MathML /LaTex docs. That would be helpful for communication between sighted and non-sighted, each creating and rendering content in the tools they use. Saroj _________________________________ Saroj Primlani Coordinator of University IT Accessibility ITD 919 513 4087 http://ncsu.edu/it/access -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of athen-request@athenpro.org Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:00 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 20, Issue 4 Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Macs and Braille translation (John Gardner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:21:25 -0700 From: "John Gardner" Subject: Re: [Athen] Macs and Braille translation To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <00b501c7ef41$eee4c030$a11919ac@johnz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Ron, I haven't used this application, but I know that it uses the liblouisxml braille translator that John Boyer has written. ViewPlus is the major sponsor of that open source project and is currently working on debugging. The literary braille and Nemeth math are both fairly good right now. I know it can input both XHTML and DAISY with math in MathML. Greg Kerney is very approachable if you have questions about the UI parts. John _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 1:19 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Macs and Braille translation That is correct and this is the one that I found as well. Anyone used it? Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 3:48 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Macs and Braille translation As I recall, Duxbury no longer supports a Mac product, and to the best of my knowledge, the new program released by Greg Kearney may be your best bet for the Mac. It's also free, which is nice. See below. The ATMac Website has some good tips on Mac access: http://atmac.org/ Good luck! ******************* New Macintosh Braille Translator Released Thursday, June 14th, 2007 Greg Kearney has released Louis - The Macintosh Braille Translator, version 1.0. It can be downloaded from http://w3.wmcnet.org/braille/louis/. The full release announcement follows: DESCRIPTION: Louis is a full featured braille translator for the Apple Macintosh. Designed around liblouis and liblouisxml Louis is designed to produce braille in a wide range of formats and languages. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:29 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'; 'Alternate Media' Subject: [Athen] Macs and Braille translation Good afternoon, any recommendations of a current solution for producing Braille materials in a MAC only environment. Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20070904/adc277 99/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 20, Issue 4 ************************************ From jfoliot at stanford.edu Thu Sep 6 11:14:02 2007 From: jfoliot at stanford.edu (John Foliot - Stanford Online Accessibility Program) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] iTunes 7.4 for Mac Message-ID: <006401c7f0b1$b47e4440$643d42ab@Piglet> About iTunes 7.4 for Mac With iTunes 7.4, sync your favorite music and more with the new iPod nano (third generation), iPod classic, and iPod touch, plus create custom ringtones exclusively for iPhone with many of your favorite songs purchased from the iTunes Store. You can now also play purchased videos with closed captioning (when available), easily rate your favorite albums from one to five stars, and watch videos at a larger size inside the iTunes window. Source: http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/itunes74formac.html iTunes with closed captioning... Really?... (as he scurries of to investigate) JF --- John Foliot Academic Technology Consultant Stanford Online Accessibility Program http://soap.stanford.edu Stanford University 560 Escondido Mall Meyer Library 181 Stanford, CA 94305-3093 Tel: 650-862-4603 From pratikp1 at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 11:28:57 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] iTunes 7.4 for Mac In-Reply-To: <006401c7f0b1$b47e4440$643d42ab@Piglet> References: <006401c7f0b1$b47e4440$643d42ab@Piglet> Message-ID: <024e01c7f0b3$cae7a760$60b6f620$@com> The darn thing is still not accessible on Windows -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of John Foliot - Stanford Online Accessibility Program Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:14 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: [Athen] iTunes 7.4 for Mac About iTunes 7.4 for Mac With iTunes 7.4, sync your favorite music and more with the new iPod nano (third generation), iPod classic, and iPod touch, plus create custom ringtones exclusively for iPhone with many of your favorite songs purchased from the iTunes Store. You can now also play purchased videos with closed captioning (when available), easily rate your favorite albums from one to five stars, and watch videos at a larger size inside the iTunes window. Source: http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/itunes74formac.html iTunes with closed captioning... Really?... (as he scurries of to investigate) JF --- John Foliot Academic Technology Consultant Stanford Online Accessibility Program http://soap.stanford.edu Stanford University 560 Escondido Mall Meyer Library 181 Stanford, CA 94305-3093 Tel: 650-862-4603 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From Crabb.15 at osu.edu Thu Sep 6 11:27:31 2007 From: Crabb.15 at osu.edu (Crabb, Nolan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon 9 Professional Training Help Message-ID: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCDF3@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> Does anyone have a set of lesson plans or even outline notes on training someone to use Dragon 9 Professional? If so, would you consider sharing them with me? I've had limited exposure to previous versions, but it looks like version 9 is something approaching a radical shift from older versions. Please don't hesitate to contact me off list if you have any thoughts or ideas on how to most successfully provide training for Dragon 9 pro. Best Wishes, Nolan Nolan Crabb Director of Assistive Technology The Ohio State University 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 Ph. (614) 735-8688 E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu From johumber at iupui.edu Thu Sep 6 11:32:38 2007 From: johumber at iupui.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] iTunes 7.4 for Mac In-Reply-To: <024e01c7f0b3$cae7a760$60b6f620$@com> References: <006401c7f0b1$b47e4440$643d42ab@Piglet> <024e01c7f0b3$cae7a760$60b6f620$@com> Message-ID: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF046FD5B8@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> The windows description says the same exact thing Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) Office: IT 214E Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 Cell: 847-431-6545 AIM:ATCIUPUI -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:29 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] iTunes 7.4 for Mac The darn thing is still not accessible on Windows -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of John Foliot - Stanford Online Accessibility Program Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:14 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: [Athen] iTunes 7.4 for Mac About iTunes 7.4 for Mac With iTunes 7.4, sync your favorite music and more with the new iPod nano (third generation), iPod classic, and iPod touch, plus create custom ringtones exclusively for iPhone with many of your favorite songs purchased from the iTunes Store. You can now also play purchased videos with closed captioning (when available), easily rate your favorite albums from one to five stars, and watch videos at a larger size inside the iTunes window. Source: http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/itunes74formac.html iTunes with closed captioning... Really?... (as he scurries of to investigate) JF --- John Foliot Academic Technology Consultant Stanford Online Accessibility Program http://soap.stanford.edu Stanford University 560 Escondido Mall Meyer Library 181 Stanford, CA 94305-3093 Tel: 650-862-4603 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Thu Sep 6 11:36:02 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon 9 Professional Training Help Message-ID: I don't train students any differently for Dragon 9 than I did for 8. Take them to the training page, get them signed in and their basic settings done, then let 'em go. 9 doesn't require a lot of pre-training before it works, unless the student's diction is horrible. I'm liking 9 a WHOLE LOT, can you tell? Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 From dmurphy at collegeofthedesert.edu Thu Sep 6 11:38:24 2007 From: dmurphy at collegeofthedesert.edu (Daryl Murphy) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon 9 Professional Training Help In-Reply-To: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCDF3@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> References: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCDF3@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <866D94404CE9D049B12203795063D4DC503FEF@Dccdmail3.dccd.cc.ca.us> Training is available under Help in DNS 9 and up. If you want a program to help train, I would suggest trying; http://www.sayican.com/video7.html -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Crabb, Nolan Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:28 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Dragon 9 Professional Training Help Does anyone have a set of lesson plans or even outline notes on training someone to use Dragon 9 Professional? If so, would you consider sharing them with me? I've had limited exposure to previous versions, but it looks like version 9 is something approaching a radical shift from older versions. Please don't hesitate to contact me off list if you have any thoughts or ideas on how to most successfully provide training for Dragon 9 pro. Best Wishes, Nolan Nolan Crabb Director of Assistive Technology The Ohio State University 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 Ph. (614) 735-8688 E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From jfoliot at stanford.edu Thu Sep 6 11:58:17 2007 From: jfoliot at stanford.edu (John Foliot - Stanford Online Accessibility Program) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] iTunes 7.4 for Mac In-Reply-To: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF046FD5B8@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <006e01c7f0b7$e2c85650$643d42ab@Piglet> Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > The windows description says the same exact thing Hey Joe, I'm looking for that @ apple and can't seem to find it. Can you provide an URL? Thanks! JF --- John Foliot Academic Technology Consultant Stanford Online Accessibility Program http://soap.stanford.edu Stanford University 560 Escondido Mall Meyer Library 181 Stanford, CA 94305-3093 Tel: 650-862-4603 From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Thu Sep 6 14:49:14 2007 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon 9 Professional Training Help In-Reply-To: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCDF3@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> References: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCDF3@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <46E075DA.2050208@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Hi Nolan, et al ATHEN-ites, Dragon publishes a workbook/training manual and is distributing free with their newest version 9. However, it is also available separately for $30 (and worth every penny because it's simple, comprehensive and easy to work with!). Here is the link: http://www.talktotype.com/pd_dragon_naturallyspeaking_8_user.cfm Hope this is helpful! Wink Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ Crabb, Nolan wrote: > Does anyone have a set of lesson plans or even outline notes on training > someone to use Dragon 9 Professional? If so, would you consider sharing > them with me? I've had limited exposure to previous versions, but it > looks like version 9 is something approaching a radical shift from older > versions. > > Please don't hesitate to contact me off list if you have any thoughts or > ideas on how to most successfully provide training for Dragon 9 pro. > > Best Wishes, > Nolan > > > Nolan Crabb > Director of Assistive Technology > The Ohio State University > 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 > > Ph. (614) 735-8688 > E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From Crabb.15 at osu.edu Fri Sep 7 10:38:13 2007 From: Crabb.15 at osu.edu (Crabb, Nolan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon 9 Professional Training Help In-Reply-To: <46E075DA.2050208@mcmail.maricopa.edu> References: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCDF3@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> <46E075DA.2050208@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCE0D@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> Thanks so much for the help regarding the Dragon training information. the installation is up and running, and the student is happily working on it. Regards, Nolan Nolan Crabb Director of Assistive Technology The Ohio State University 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 Ph. (614) 735-8688 E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu From tex at humboldt.edu Fri Sep 7 11:38:25 2007 From: tex at humboldt.edu (Cassandra Tex) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] JAWS 8.0 and Minitab 15 Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20070907113613.0198b700@humboldt.edu> Greetings All, It's been a while since I've used both JAWS and Minitabl together....what's the latest information? Do the two programs play well together? Anything I should pay attention to? Just a few of the problems I'm experiencing....I'm having trouble in the worksheet area and in some of the dialog boxes - being able to select which columns I want included in the test. Any guidance you can provide would be most helpful. Thanks! Cassandra Tex Assistive Technology Specialist Humboldt State University From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Fri Sep 7 12:00:24 2007 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon 9 Professional Training Help In-Reply-To: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCE0D@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> References: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCDF3@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> <46E075DA.2050208@mcmail.maricopa.edu> <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCE0D@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <46E19FC8.2070807@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Awesome! This is the kind of news we LOVE to hear! Wink Crabb, Nolan wrote: > Thanks so much for the help regarding the Dragon training information. > the installation is up and running, and the student is happily working > on it. > > Regards, > Nolan > > > Nolan Crabb > Director of Assistive Technology > The Ohio State University > 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 > > Ph. (614) 735-8688 > E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From ea at emptech.info Sun Sep 9 12:31:31 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] New research on attitudes of university applicants to ICT Message-ID: <001201c7f318$0700dc10$0a01a8c0@laptop> Just thought this may be of interest and I wonder if you have a similar study available in USA. Best wishes E.A. New research suggests that young university hopefuls expect unrestricted access to the Internet Those hoping to go to university are 'digital natives' who use social networking sites regularly and are quickly able to perceive the potential benefits and limitations of new technologies in their social and academic lives, when presented with examples of their use. This is the picture painted by the results of research published today into the attitudes of 16-18 year olds who are hoping to go to university. Commissioned by JISC and conducted by Ipsos MORI, the survey looked at the attitudes of over 500 young people using both quantitative and qualitative techniques. The research found, for example, that use of the Internet is the norm for these young people, with 76% having accessed the Internet from their bedrooms, nearly two-thirds using social networking sites 'regularly' and 84% agreeing with the statement that they 'like to keep up-to-date with new technology and use it as much as possible both for study and in my free time'. However, qualitative insight suggests that expectations are largely based on their current home or school experiences, creating an uncertainty about how technology can be used in new and different ways in learning and teaching at university. While the report on the findings, written by Ipsos MORI, suggested that ICT has become 'part of the fabric of the lives' of young university hopefuls, it also uncovered a pragmatism in their approach to technology, with 79% agreeing with the statement 'I think that using IT at university will enhance my learning'. However, qualitative insight suggests that most feel that it should be used as a support for traditional teaching methods and regular face to face contact, rather than overtaking these valued methods altogether. Among the other findings of the research with university hopefuls across the UK were the following: * 65% 'regularly' use social networking sites, such as Facebook, MySpace or Flickr (females more than males - 71% and 59% respectively) and only 5% 'never' use them * A quarter (27%) 'regularly' use wikis, blogs or online networks * Very few 'regularly' take part in an online community, for example a 'virtual world' such as Second Life (8%) * 62% agree with the statement 'I expect IT to play a much bigger role in my learning than it does now' with regard to their time at university, although qualitative insight suggest that perhaps it's not clear to them how * Of those who have at least begun the process of preparing for university application 50% have looked at or asked for information about the types of IT provision * Of those who had looked at or asked about IT provision 42% said that there was more IT provision than they expected. The report suggests that the research carries important implications for universities, particularly in its findings on the expectations of young people as 'customers' of higher education, the near-ubiquity of social networking and the need expressed by survey respondents for clear social or academic benefits of new technologies to be presented. Professor Sir Ron Cooke, Chairman of JISC, welcomed the publication of the report, saying: 'This research provides the sector with important intelligence as it continues to develop its ICT services for new and potential students. Young people clearly have very particular needs and expectations as far as ICT is concerned and while there is a great deal for colleges and universities to absorb in this research, we hope it will help them plan more effectively to meet the needs of all our future learners.' This research is preparatory to the establishment of a Committee of Inquiry being convened by JISC this autumn into the changing learner experience. The Inquiry will address the implications for Higher Education Institutions of the experience and expectations of learners approaching full-time higher education with a view to informing senior managers and providing advice to universities and colleges. A briefing paper on the research findings is in preparation and will be distributed to all colleges and universities shortly. For the full report, please go to: www.jisc.ac.uk/publications/publications/studentexpectations For further information, please contact: Philip Pothen (JISC) on 07887 564 006 or p.pothen@jisc.ac.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Anything in this message which does not clearly relate to the official work of the sender's organisation shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by that organisation. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.10/995 - Release Date: 08/09/2007 13:24 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.12/997 - Release Date: 09/09/2007 10:17 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edward at ngtvoice.com Sun Sep 9 13:29:15 2007 From: edward at ngtvoice.com (Ed. Rosenthal) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon 9 Professional Training Help In-Reply-To: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCDF3@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> References: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCDF3@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <004d01c7f320$193e3a00$4bbaae00$@com> Nolan-I can send along my training outline off list if you like (just send e-mail to edward@ngtvoice.com and let me know), it covers the basic skills I like to train, and puts them in an order that I think is logical from a learning to do command and control and speech to text standpoint. There are also several good training CD-ROM sets available for the Dragon NaturallySpeaking technology. Two of my favorites are: Say I Can -Dragon NaturallySpeaking Training CD-ROM (2 and 3 disc set, $99 or $149) SpeakEasy for Dragon NaturallySpeaking (2 disc set, $99) Both use a lesson plan approach, and allow a student to move at their own pace while developing comprehensive skills for Dragon NaturallySpeaking. You can find them on the web with a Google search, let me know if you have an interest and can't find them. -ed. Edward S. Rosenthal, President and CEO, Next Generation Technologies Inc. 20006 Cedar Valley Rd. #101, Lynnwood, WA 98036 Phone: 425-744-1100 extension 15; Fax: 425-778-5547 E-Mail: edward@ngtvoice.com Skype: ed.rosenthal7 WWW: ngtvoice.com This document was generated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking Medical version 9.5 speech recognition software and/or handwriting recognition on a Motion LE 1600 tablet PC. Please disregard any remaining misrecognitions. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Crabb, Nolan Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:28 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Dragon 9 Professional Training Help Does anyone have a set of lesson plans or even outline notes on training someone to use Dragon 9 Professional? If so, would you consider sharing them with me? I've had limited exposure to previous versions, but it looks like version 9 is something approaching a radical shift from older versions. Please don't hesitate to contact me off list if you have any thoughts or ideas on how to most successfully provide training for Dragon 9 pro. Best Wishes, Nolan Nolan Crabb Director of Assistive Technology The Ohio State University 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 Ph. (614) 735-8688 E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From gdietrich at htctu.net Sun Sep 9 18:19:22 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon 9 Professional Training Help In-Reply-To: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCDF3@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> References: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCDF3@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <00e801c7f348$9f2eae60$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Our Web site has a wonderful Dragon training manual written by some of the local high tech center specialists: http://www.htctu.net/trainings/manuals/contributions/maincontribute.htm Hope this helps! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Crabb, Nolan Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:28 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Dragon 9 Professional Training Help Does anyone have a set of lesson plans or even outline notes on training someone to use Dragon 9 Professional? If so, would you consider sharing them with me? I've had limited exposure to previous versions, but it looks like version 9 is something approaching a radical shift from older versions. Please don't hesitate to contact me off list if you have any thoughts or ideas on how to most successfully provide training for Dragon 9 pro. Best Wishes, Nolan Nolan Crabb Director of Assistive Technology The Ohio State University 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 Ph. (614) 735-8688 E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ea at emptech.info Mon Sep 10 13:59:29 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Wiki with technology links Message-ID: <008a01c7f3ed$7b8040f0$f26ffea9@laptop> I have just had an e-mail from Deirdre Bonnycastle who has put together this resource that may help our wiki. http://wiki.usask.ca/db/index.php/Technology_Tools Best wishes E.A. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.12/997 - Release Date: 09/09/2007 10:17 From terrih at asu.edu Mon Sep 10 14:35:47 2007 From: terrih at asu.edu (Terri Hedgpeth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Announcement Message-ID: <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC05C6EA96@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Hello all, Below find Clarence Whaley's announcement regarding GW Micro Window Eyes training for the new dates October 2,3. There are only 10 seats total and five of those are already confirmed, so only five open seats remain. If you wish to attend or have one of your staff attend, please register with GW Micro and provide them with your payment information. You will need to use the confirmation code of az1007 that Clarence has provided in his email. If you wish, you can also contact me. My number is in the signature of this email. Hope to see you there. Sincerely, Terri Hedgpeth Terri Hedgpeth Academic Research Professional Cubic, iCare box 87-8309 Arizona State University Tempe, AZ 85287-8309 (480) 727-8133 (voice) (480) 965-2751 (fax) http://cubic.asu.edu From: Clarence Whaley [mailto:clarence@gwmicro.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:09 PM To: Terri Hedgpeth Subject: Announcement GW Micro and Arizona State University's Center for Cognitive Ubiquitous Computing (ASU/CUbiC) in Tempe, AZ are pleased to announce Window-Eyes basic and intermediate training on Tuesday and Wednesday October 2nd and 3rd. The training sessions will be held at 699 south Mill Avenue in the BrickYard bldg room 380 in the CUbiC suites. Basic training will be held October 2nd and intermediate training October 3rd. The University will be supplying the computers so the training is only $250.00 per day. Participants may sign up for one or both days of training. To read about what is covered and to register for the training go to http://www.gwmicro.com/training and when there to register please use the confirmation code of az1007. CEU credits are also available for $15.00 per day for a credit of 0.6 hours per day. Each participant will also receive a certificate of completion after they have completed 1 or both days of the training. Come enjoy the cool temperatures in Tempe, AZ. We look forward to seeing you there. If you have any questions please feel free to email clarence@gwmicro.com or call us at 260-489-3671. See you there. P.S. 5 of the 10 slots are allready full!! 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URL: From djbrky at bu.edu Wed Sep 12 06:47:01 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604E2C796@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Over the years (has it been years) I have espoused the superiority of Open Office versus Microsoft Word -- especially as concerns their usage in the work we do with digital textbooks creation and dissemination. This article from Linux.com just adds fuel to my ire... http://www.linux.com/feature/118986 ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability From rbeach at kckcc.edu Wed Sep 12 08:12:48 2007 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604E2C796@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604E2C796@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <46E7BBA0020000CF00000D6B@mymail.kckcc.edu> Hi Dan, Thanks for sharing this. Interesting article, but I would disagree with a few of the points. One big reason I have no plans to switch to Open Office Writer is because I've had no success in accessing it with a screen reader. The author states that MS Office cannot reliably handle documents more than 40 pages long. I find this an interesting statement since we constantly have documents that exceed this and have never had a crash. In fact, I'm working on a document at home that is around 200 pages long and it has not crashed on me yet. I know I worked on a document recently that was 243 pages long and had no problems. As far as styles go, I too do not like what my workers are telling me about Office 07's style system. However, I really like the Office 03 styling system. It has worked beautifully for us, even page numbers for going to Ease-Publisher. Granted, you do have to do a quick edit on NotePad between Office and Publisher, but the files my student did in Office Writer had to have more changes than that for the page numbers to come through. Over all, I'll stick with Ms Office 03 for now. The macros, templates and styles we use there are working great for us. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> "Berkowitz, Daniel J" 9/12/2007 8:47 AM >>> Over the years (has it been years) I have espoused the superiority of Open Office versus Microsoft Word -- especially as concerns their usage in the work we do with digital textbooks creation and dissemination. This article from Linux.com just adds fuel to my ire... http://www.linux.com/feature/118986 ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From kestrell at panix.com Wed Sep 12 09:05:30 2007 From: kestrell at panix.com (Kestrell) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604E2C796@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <46E7BBA0020000CF00000D6B@mymail.kckcc.edu> Message-ID: <00d201c7f556$bde9b0b0$0dfea8c0@Galatea> As a screenreader user who often has to edit very large documents, I have to say I am discontented with both MS Office and Open Office. I have found when using MS Word to edit large docs (as in books I am proofreading or in writing chapters of my own work), MS Word has a tendency to hang, and when I try to down arrow to the next line of the document, the line does not appear as the doc seems to be having trouble updating itself. The RTF format is particularly problematical in this regard, and I have heard other screenreader users complain of the same issue, although it does not seem to be an issue with every screenreader user. I check out Open Office every so often, and, while I love their Power Point application, I am not entirely happy with using their word processor app. I seem to recall that this was for some reason involving formatting issues, but then, this could be impatience on my part, as I have not found a doc that discusses OO for screenreader users (a doc which, I think, could do a lot for getting more screenreader users to at least try OO). Kes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Beach" To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office > Hi Dan, > > Thanks for sharing this. Interesting article, but I would disagree with a > few of the points. One big reason I have no plans to switch to Open > Office Writer is because I've had no success in accessing it with a screen > reader. > > The author states that MS Office cannot reliably handle documents more > than 40 pages long. I find this an interesting statement since we > constantly have documents that exceed this and have never had a crash. In > fact, I'm working on a document at home that is around 200 pages long and > it has not crashed on me yet. I know I worked on a document recently that > was 243 pages long and had no problems. > > As far as styles go, I too do not like what my workers are telling me > about Office 07's style system. However, I really like the Office 03 > styling system. It has worked beautifully for us, even page numbers for > going to Ease-Publisher. Granted, you do have to do a quick edit on > NotePad between Office and Publisher, but the files my student did in > Office Writer had to have more changes than that for the page numbers to > come through. > > Over all, I'll stick with Ms Office 03 for now. The macros, templates and > styles we use there are working great for us. > > > > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > Phone: (913) 288-7671 > Fax: (913) 288-7678 > E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu > >>>> "Berkowitz, Daniel J" 9/12/2007 8:47 AM >>> > Over the years (has it been years) I have espoused the superiority of > Open Office versus Microsoft Word -- especially as concerns their usage > in the work we do with digital textbooks creation and dissemination. > > This article from Linux.com just adds fuel to my ire... > http://www.linux.com/feature/118986 > > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Wed Sep 12 09:25:57 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office Message-ID: I use OpenOffice whenever possible to work on documents. It is clean, easy, not a resource hog, never binds or pauses or burps no matter what else I have running in the background. I've used it to work with and format documents up to a thousand pages. One key element that I absolutely adore about Open Office Writer is that it remembers where you were. When I work in MSWord and have to leave for the day but have not completed working on my document, I close it and save it and then write down where I was at so I can find it again. You don't have to do that in OpenOffice, you just open the document back up and the cursor is WHERE YOU LEFT IT. I can't even calculate how much time this saves me. I cannot say the same for MSWord. Does it crash on big documents? Frequently!! I find anything over 30 pages with or without graphics to be a problem; it binds, locks up, pauses, doesn't turn on auto spell check, whatever. Frustrating and makes me perform extra steps to make things happen. And don't even get me started on MSWord 2007. One of my MAJOR frustrations with this program is the reassignment/relocation of key tools that I use, down to the fact that the PRINT tool is no longer available and I must click three times or more to print. That is just MESSED UP and if I find the person that designed that particular "feature" I'll be taking my aggressions out on him/her. This is hands down the worst "redesign" of a software I've ever seen. It isn't even deployed on our campus because of the huge learning curve that is going to hit our users; these are people that don't have spare time in their day to figure out where all of their most useful tools have gone to in the new version. And I've tested 2007 on a fully-capable Vista machine...I've never seen such slow response, lagging commands, and lockups! I want to know what those developers were smoking when they embarked on this acid trip of a redesign. I have not tested OpenOffice with any screenreader. This gives me pause, and perhaps I should check it out, although I'm not the best user of a screenreader as I'm not visually impaired and also default respond better to visual rather than audio. Definitely something for me to look at, though. We have OpenOffice available on our student use machines, whether students are actually using it or not I am not sure (I do run a general purpose student-use computer lab but don't tend to go out and see what they are up to specifically). But for working on converting books, there's nothing like it for ease of use, easy catching of errors, and removing of extraneous info. I love it! (And no, Dann did not pay me to say this.) Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Wed Sep 12 09:31:04 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office Message-ID: Oh, and one more thing...OpenOffice has this amazing ability to open almost any type of text document, and SAVE in any type of text format as well. And with a little downloadable plugin, it will also export to simple PDF format, without needing to purchase Adobe Acrobat Pro. When Word can do these things, and stop locking up and bogging down, I might change my mind about OO. Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 From tft at u.washington.edu Wed Sep 12 09:41:23 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200709121641.l8CGfTAY008444@smtp.washington.edu> Does OpenOffice's PDF export feature support "tagged PDF", and is the result a well-structured, reasonably accessible PDF document? (I'm asking this not to squelch you OpenOffice advocates' enthusiasm - It's just something I've been wondering and haven't had a chance to investigate). Thanks, Terry Terry Thompson Technology Specialist, DO-IT University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 http://www.washington.edu/doit > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M. > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:31 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office > > Oh, and one more thing...OpenOffice has this amazing ability > to open almost any type of text document, and SAVE in any > type of text format as well. And with a little downloadable > plugin, it will also export to simple PDF format, without > needing to purchase Adobe Acrobat Pro. > > When Word can do these things, and stop locking up and > bogging down, I might change my mind about OO. > > Susan Kelmer > Coordinator > Information ACCESS Lab > St. Louis Community College at Meramec > 314/984-7951 > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Wed Sep 12 09:43:28 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office Message-ID: >Does OpenOffice's PDF export feature support "tagged PDF", and >is the result a well-structured, reasonably accessible PDF document? > >(I'm asking this not to squelch you OpenOffice advocates' >enthusiasm - It's just something I've been wondering and >haven't had a chance to investigate). I have not used it to that extent as we aren't creating tagged PDF's in any way here on this campus, yet. I have used it to export documents that needed to be PDF's for their own protection, or as layout types for printing, and it works really well in that way. I have not drilled any further into it than that. On the other hand, Word's pdf plugin does NOT do tagged PDF very well. -Susan Kelmer From skeegan at htctu.net Wed Sep 12 09:46:39 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office In-Reply-To: <200709121641.l8CGfTAY008444@smtp.washington.edu> References: <200709121641.l8CGfTAY008444@smtp.washington.edu> Message-ID: <000a01c7f55c$7e5e63e0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> > Does OpenOffice's PDF export feature support "tagged PDF", > and is the result a well-structured, reasonably accessible PDF document? That is actually only list of "to do's" this week. I will try a few things today and report back to the list. The reports I have gotten from others testing is that Open Office does support the tagged PDF output, but I have not jumped through the hoops myself. sean From skeegan at htctu.net Wed Sep 12 09:47:48 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000b01c7f55c$a73eb710$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> > On the other hand, Word's pdf plugin does NOT do tagged PDF very well. Are you referring to the plug-in that you download from Microsoft for 2007 or the PDFMaker plug-in from Adobe? Sean From tft at u.washington.edu Wed Sep 12 09:54:14 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200709121654.l8CGsKjG010751@smtp.washington.edu> > On the other hand, Word's pdf plugin does NOT do tagged PDF very well. That actually hasn't been my experience. It depends to some extent on the complexity of the document, but if the Word document uses Word's heading styles effectively, and if the author knows about and takes the time to add alternate text to images, all that information is exported into the structure of the PDF and is accessible to supporting screen readers. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelmer, Susan M. [mailto:SKelmer@stlcc.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:43 AM > To: tft@u.washington.edu; Access Technologists in Higher > Education Network > Subject: RE: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office > > >Does OpenOffice's PDF export feature support "tagged PDF", > and is the > >result a well-structured, reasonably accessible PDF document? > > > >(I'm asking this not to squelch you OpenOffice advocates' > >enthusiasm - It's just something I've been wondering and > haven't had a > >chance to investigate). > > I have not used it to that extent as we aren't creating > tagged PDF's in any way here on this campus, yet. I have > used it to export documents that needed to be PDF's for their > own protection, or as layout types for printing, and it works > really well in that way. I have not drilled any further into > it than that. > > On the other hand, Word's pdf plugin does NOT do tagged PDF very well. > > -Susan Kelmer > From djbrky at bu.edu Wed Sep 12 10:21:29 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office In-Reply-To: <200709121641.l8CGfTAY008444@smtp.washington.edu> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604EA8673@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Terry --- Yes and .... um .... let me see .... Yes (on both counts) Give me a few minutes and I will reply with specifics. In the meantime -- I was just throwing out a fun article and apparently the fuse was lit unexpectedly. My point was that in the process we have developed at BU -- and which I plan to share at AHG -- OpenOffice has replaced MS-Word and allows us to create documents for conversion into DAISY that are cleaner, safer, and faster. ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Terry Thompson >Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:41 PM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office > >Does OpenOffice's PDF export feature support "tagged PDF", and is the >result >a well-structured, reasonably accessible PDF document? > >(I'm asking this not to squelch you OpenOffice advocates' enthusiasm - It's >just something I've been wondering and haven't had a chance to >investigate). > > >Thanks, >Terry > >Terry Thompson >Technology Specialist, DO-IT >University of Washington >tft@u.washington.edu >206/221-4168 >http://www.washington.edu/doit > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >> [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M. >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:31 AM >> To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >> Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office >> >> Oh, and one more thing...OpenOffice has this amazing ability >> to open almost any type of text document, and SAVE in any >> type of text format as well. And with a little downloadable >> plugin, it will also export to simple PDF format, without >> needing to purchase Adobe Acrobat Pro. >> >> When Word can do these things, and stop locking up and >> bogging down, I might change my mind about OO. >> >> Susan Kelmer >> Coordinator >> Information ACCESS Lab >> St. Louis Community College at Meramec >> 314/984-7951 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From Crabb.15 at osu.edu Wed Sep 12 11:23:56 2007 From: Crabb.15 at osu.edu (Crabb, Nolan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office In-Reply-To: <46E7BBA0020000CF00000D6B@mymail.kckcc.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604E2C796@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <46E7BBA0020000CF00000D6B@mymail.kckcc.edu> Message-ID: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCE95@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> I've been fascinated with open Office for years, but I think Robert's definitely onto something here: It's screen reader access, particularly for Writer, isn't exactly stellar. At one time, it was absolutely out of reach. I've never had Word crash on 200 or 300 page books, but maybe it's the graphics. A lot of the stuff I use isn't very graphics intensive. Regards, Nolan Nolan Crabb Director of Assistive Technology The Ohio State University 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 Ph. (614) 735-8688 E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu From djbrky at bu.edu Wed Sep 12 11:41:24 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office In-Reply-To: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCE95@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604EA87C7@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> I have not personally used Oo with access technology but know first hand that it can handle several thousands of pages with no problem. In answer to Terry's question of earlier -- if you have a regular text document in Oo and wish to convert it to PDF there is a toolbar button that will "export directly to PDF". When you press the 'save' button you will be greeted with several tabs worth of options. One of these is "Tagged PDF". We have used this with great success. Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Crabb, Nolan >Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:24 PM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office > >I've been fascinated with open Office for years, but I think Robert's >definitely onto something here: It's screen reader access, particularly >for Writer, isn't exactly stellar. At one time, it was absolutely out >of reach. I've never had Word crash on 200 or 300 page books, but maybe >it's the graphics. A lot of the stuff I use isn't very graphics >intensive. > >Regards, >Nolan > > > >Nolan Crabb >Director of Assistive Technology >The Ohio State University >2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 > >Ph. (614) 735-8688 >E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From kestrell at panix.com Wed Sep 12 12:34:35 2007 From: kestrell at panix.com (Kestrell) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604E2C796@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><46E7BBA0020000CF00000D6B@mymail.kckcc.edu> <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCE95@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <002f01c7f573$f3734350$0dfea8c0@Galatea> Dan, Yes, I do find the accessibility of open source applications something of a hot button especially as open source so often comes with the promise of increased usability, improved memory resource allocation, and other usability features which, I feel, are all that more important to assistive technology users. Add to this assuarances I have received from developers of OO that it is accessible, despite my finding it not so, and I get a bit disgruntled wondering if the OO folks are as concerned with accessibility as they claim. The irony of tools which promise increased accessibility turning out to be not very accessible to assistive tech users continues to make me feel I have a humor impairment. Kes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crabb, Nolan" To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office > I've been fascinated with open Office for years, but I think Robert's > definitely onto something here: It's screen reader access, particularly > for Writer, isn't exactly stellar. At one time, it was absolutely out > of reach. I've never had Word crash on 200 or 300 page books, but maybe > it's the graphics. A lot of the stuff I use isn't very graphics > intensive. > > Regards, > Nolan > > > > Nolan Crabb > Director of Assistive Technology > The Ohio State University > 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 > > Ph. (614) 735-8688 > E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From skeegan at htctu.net Wed Sep 12 12:46:42 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Open Office and Tagged PDFs (was Microsoft Word versus Open Office) Message-ID: <005c01c7f575$a50c1640$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Terry asked the question: "Does OpenOffice's PDF export feature support "tagged PDF", and is the result a well-structured, reasonably accessible PDF document?" I have run a few basic tests on some test documents that I have. These are fairly simple files (you can find a sample at http://www.htctu.net/demos/), but I was really looking at how Open Office handles the tagging process. For inline images and headings: - Open Office correctly tags both text descriptions for the images and the heading levels For data tables: - Open Office allows you to specify a header in a data table (by row) that in turn identifies the tag correctly in the PDF. Similar to MS Word, you can only specify headers by row. For multi-column layouts: - Open Office correctly tags a multi-column layout such that the logical reading order is retained. So, preliminary tests indicate that Open Office Writer 2.2.1 is creating appropriately tagged PDF files. I will have to run some more tests, but so far it looks good for basic/generic documents. Take care, Sean Sean Keegan Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges From djbrky at bu.edu Wed Sep 12 13:59:20 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604E2C796@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><46E7BBA0020000CF00000D6B@mymail.kckcc.edu><200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCE95@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> <002f01c7f573$f3734350$0dfea8c0@Galatea> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C703E@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Kes, I can inform you with absolute conviction that the development team at the Open Office Foundation is absolutely committed to making their software as accessible as possible. I know a few of these folks personally and know of outside people working on solutions to problems they may not have even know existed. They are also completely open to feedback and in the year or so we have been using Oo for DAISY Production process have actually incorporated several fixes and improvements we have recommended. You may not that in less than a year Oo has moved from version 2.0 to version 2.2.1. Just try and get Microsoft to discover, test, implement, and support that many improvements in such a short period of time. I know of your skills and your commitment as well and know that the Open Office Foundation would welcome you into their fold. Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Kestrell Sent: Wed 9/12/2007 3:34 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office Dan, Yes, I do find the accessibility of open source applications something of a hot button especially as open source so often comes with the promise of increased usability, improved memory resource allocation, and other usability features which, I feel, are all that more important to assistive technology users. Add to this assuarances I have received from developers of OO that it is accessible, despite my finding it not so, and I get a bit disgruntled wondering if the OO folks are as concerned with accessibility as they claim. The irony of tools which promise increased accessibility turning out to be not very accessible to assistive tech users continues to make me feel I have a humor impairment. Kes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crabb, Nolan" To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office > I've been fascinated with open Office for years, but I think Robert's > definitely onto something here: It's screen reader access, particularly > for Writer, isn't exactly stellar. At one time, it was absolutely out > of reach. I've never had Word crash on 200 or 300 page books, but maybe > it's the graphics. A lot of the stuff I use isn't very graphics > intensive. > > Regards, > Nolan > > > > Nolan Crabb > Director of Assistive Technology > The Ohio State University > 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 > > Ph. (614) 735-8688 > E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Wed Sep 12 14:34:21 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C703E@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604E2C796@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><46E7BBA0020000CF00000D6B@mymail.kckcc.edu><200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCE95@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> <002f01c7f573$f3734350$0dfea8c0@Galatea> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116031C703E@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <017001c7f584$ae5b3690$0b11a3b0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Afternoon all, Having watched this discussion for a while I feel it is important to note that the decision to move from a commercial product to an open-source product may be totally out of the decision making authority of your office. There are many colleges and universities, and large corporate IT organizations as well, that have explored OpenSource solutions for a number of years. Some with positive experiences and others with very negative ones. Most have not been able to realize the promised return on investment because of the need to maintain duplicative IT infrastructures and the limited hardware supported by most OpenSource implimentations. The gains Dann's staff have been able to make with OpenSource tools at the front end of the Daisy production cycle are truly amazing. How generalizable they are outside a sophisticated support structure is a question that still needs to be answered. There is also some interesting work going on in the Mac space with OpenSource Daisy tool development Speaking in my role of working with a large AT manufacturer the quandary we get into with OpenSource and with ODF in particular is where is the return on investment for the work? For a lot of those in the mainstream IT space, the most viable end for most OpenSource projects is the commercialization of the underlying technologies developed. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:59 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office Kes, I can inform you with absolute conviction that the development team at the Open Office Foundation is absolutely committed to making their software as accessible as possible. I know a few of these folks personally and know of outside people working on solutions to problems they may not have even know existed. They are also completely open to feedback and in the year or so we have been using Oo for DAISY Production process have actually incorporated several fixes and improvements we have recommended. You may not that in less than a year Oo has moved from version 2.0 to version 2.2.1. Just try and get Microsoft to discover, test, implement, and support that many improvements in such a short period of time. I know of your skills and your commitment as well and know that the Open Office Foundation would welcome you into their fold. Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Kestrell Sent: Wed 9/12/2007 3:34 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office Dan, Yes, I do find the accessibility of open source applications something of a hot button especially as open source so often comes with the promise of increased usability, improved memory resource allocation, and other usability features which, I feel, are all that more important to assistive technology users. Add to this assuarances I have received from developers of OO that it is accessible, despite my finding it not so, and I get a bit disgruntled wondering if the OO folks are as concerned with accessibility as they claim. The irony of tools which promise increased accessibility turning out to be not very accessible to assistive tech users continues to make me feel I have a humor impairment. Kes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crabb, Nolan" To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office > I've been fascinated with open Office for years, but I think Robert's > definitely onto something here: It's screen reader access, particularly > for Writer, isn't exactly stellar. At one time, it was absolutely out > of reach. I've never had Word crash on 200 or 300 page books, but maybe > it's the graphics. A lot of the stuff I use isn't very graphics > intensive. > > Regards, > Nolan > > > > Nolan Crabb > Director of Assistive Technology > The Ohio State University > 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 > > Ph. (614) 735-8688 > E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From dmurphy at collegeofthedesert.edu Wed Sep 12 14:53:14 2007 From: dmurphy at collegeofthedesert.edu (Daryl Murphy) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] [Athena] Microsoft Word versus Open Office In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <866D94404CE9D049B12203795063D4DC5041D5@Dccdmail3.dccd.cc.ca.us> MS Office 2007 is great and easy to use, once you learn that you can do things in less time then 2003. It's like any other program, you will have a learning curve to master it. As for as printing, 1 click it's done; -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M. Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:26 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office I use OpenOffice whenever possible to work on documents. It is clean, easy, not a resource hog, never binds or pauses or burps no matter what else I have running in the background. I've used it to work with and format documents up to a thousand pages. One key element that I absolutely adore about Open Office Writer is that it remembers where you were. When I work in MSWord and have to leave for the day but have not completed working on my document, I close it and save it and then write down where I was at so I can find it again. You don't have to do that in OpenOffice, you just open the document back up and the cursor is WHERE YOU LEFT IT. I can't even calculate how much time this saves me. I cannot say the same for MSWord. Does it crash on big documents? Frequently!! I find anything over 30 pages with or without graphics to be a problem; it binds, locks up, pauses, doesn't turn on auto spell check, whatever. Frustrating and makes me perform extra steps to make things happen. And don't even get me started on MSWord 2007. One of my MAJOR frustrations with this program is the reassignment/relocation of key tools that I use, down to the fact that the PRINT tool is no longer available and I must click three times or more to print. That is just MESSED UP and if I find the person that designed that particular "feature" I'll be taking my aggressions out on him/her. This is hands down the worst "redesign" of a software I've ever seen. It isn't even deployed on our campus because of the huge learning curve that is going to hit our users; these are people that don't have spare time in their day to figure out where all of their most useful tools have gone to in the new version. And I've tested 2007 on a fully-capable Vista machine...I've never seen such slow response, lagging commands, and lockups! I want to know what those developers were smoking when they embarked on this acid trip of a redesign. I have not tested OpenOffice with any screenreader. This gives me pause, and perhaps I should check it out, although I'm not the best user of a screenreader as I'm not visually impaired and also default respond better to visual rather than audio. Definitely something for me to look at, though. We have OpenOffice available on our student use machines, whether students are actually using it or not I am not sure (I do run a general purpose student-use computer lab but don't tend to go out and see what they are up to specifically). But for working on converting books, there's nothing like it for ease of use, easy catching of errors, and removing of extraneous info. I love it! (And no, Dann did not pay me to say this.) Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 19556 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From skeegan at htctu.net Wed Sep 12 15:09:05 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office In-Reply-To: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCE95@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604E2C796@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><46E7BBA0020000CF00000D6B@mymail.kckcc.edu> <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCE95@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <007f01c7f589$88d93750$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> > It's screen reader access, particularly for Writer, > isn't exactly stellar. At one time, it was absolutely > out of reach. I have not seen this yet pop-up on this list yet, but there is some additional progress that may provide additional support to access in the Open Office application. The short version is that IBM is contributing code that is designed to support AT interactions with the Open Document Format. It will be interesting to see what happens next and how functional the technology proves to be with mainstream AT. Article: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/091007-ibm-accessibility.html I don't see the entire world suddenly moving away from MS Office anytime soon, but I am all for improving the level of access to applications like Open Office. Take care, Sean From travis at travisroth.com Wed Sep 12 15:21:32 2007 From: travis at travisroth.com (Travis Roth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office In-Reply-To: <007f01c7f589$88d93750$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604E2C796@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><46E7BBA0020000CF00000D6B@mymail.kckcc.edu> <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCE95@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> <007f01c7f589$88d93750$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <000601c7f58b$4639f090$d2add1b0$@com> At present, for Writer, its accessibility under Gnome using Orca provides a better screen reader experience than trying via Windows. The IBM initiative will be interesting to watch. It should be noted that often, even after a complex application such as this has accessibility support, AT vendors still need to add specific support for their AT product. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:09 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office > It's screen reader access, particularly for Writer, > isn't exactly stellar. At one time, it was absolutely > out of reach. I have not seen this yet pop-up on this list yet, but there is some additional progress that may provide additional support to access in the Open Office application. The short version is that IBM is contributing code that is designed to support AT interactions with the Open Document Format. It will be interesting to see what happens next and how functional the technology proves to be with mainstream AT. Article: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/091007-ibm-accessibility.html I don't see the entire world suddenly moving away from MS Office anytime soon, but I am all for improving the level of access to applications like Open Office. Take care, Sean _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1003 - Release Date: 9/12/2007 10:56 AM From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Wed Sep 12 15:28:38 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office In-Reply-To: <000601c7f58b$4639f090$d2add1b0$@com> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604E2C796@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><46E7BBA0020000CF00000D6B@mymail.kckcc.edu> <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCE95@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> <007f01c7f589$88d93750$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <000601c7f58b$4639f090$d2add1b0$@com> Message-ID: <01a301c7f58c$457572a0$d06057e0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Travis is correct, It is likely Each AT vendor will have to write a custom "script" or "map" for the application and in all likelyhood also for the flavor of Linux OS you are using. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Travis Roth Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:22 PM To: skeegan@htctu.net; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office At present, for Writer, its accessibility under Gnome using Orca provides a better screen reader experience than trying via Windows. The IBM initiative will be interesting to watch. It should be noted that often, even after a complex application such as this has accessibility support, AT vendors still need to add specific support for their AT product. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:09 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office > It's screen reader access, particularly for Writer, > isn't exactly stellar. At one time, it was absolutely > out of reach. I have not seen this yet pop-up on this list yet, but there is some additional progress that may provide additional support to access in the Open Office application. The short version is that IBM is contributing code that is designed to support AT interactions with the Open Document Format. It will be interesting to see what happens next and how functional the technology proves to be with mainstream AT. Article: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/091007-ibm-accessibility.html I don't see the entire world suddenly moving away from MS Office anytime soon, but I am all for improving the level of access to applications like Open Office. Take care, Sean _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1003 - Release Date: 9/12/2007 10:56 AM _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From norm.coombs at GMAIL.COM Wed Sep 12 21:01:19 2007 From: norm.coombs at GMAIL.COM (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Guest Appearance on EASI Webinar on Podcasts and Vodcasts Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20070912210109.034da720@pop.gmail.com> Guest Appearance on EASI Webinar on Podcasts and Vodcasts WGBH National Center for Accessible Media just received an award: Captioning Solutions for Handheld Media and Mobile Devices Geoff Freed from NCAM who played a key role in developing software to assist in caption Internet streaming video will join in part 3 of this 4-part series to report on this new grant which provides WGBH's National Center for Accessible Media (NCAM) with $600,000 over three years to research and develop technical solutions for delivering captioned content to iPods, cell phones, PDAs and other mobile devices. Better late than never, but it always seems that new technologies always lack accessibility features. Building them in later takes much more work and is mor expensive. Read about this 4-part fee-based Webinar series starting September 18. A description and registration are available online at http://easi.cc/clinic.htm ---------- ---------- -------- EASI Events for October: Webinar 4-part series: Making Your E-learning System and Content More Accessible (starting Oct. 4) Webinar 4-part Series: Blogs, Wikis and Accessibility (starting Oct. 11) Read more and register at easi.cc/clinic.htm Month-long Online Course: Barrier-free Web Design Read more and register at http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs CEO EASI (www.easi.cc) (949) 855-4852 Pacific time zone) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dick.banks at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 06:13:35 2007 From: dick.banks at gmail.com (Dick Banks) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Guest Appearance on EASI Webinar on Podcasts and Vodcasts In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20070912210109.034da720@pop.gmail.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20070912210109.034da720@pop.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6441e6a70709130613r6752dd22ocb5ef2534ce6673c@mail.gmail.com> I will add the blurb on the clnic.htm page. On 9/12/07, Prof Norm Coombs wrote: > > Guest Appearance on EASI Webinar on Podcasts and Vodcasts > WGBH National Center for Accessible Media just received an award: > Captioning Solutions for Handheld Media and Mobile Devices > Geoff Freed from NCAM who played a key role in developing software to > assist in caption Internet streaming video will join in part 3 of this > 4-part series to report on this new grant which provides WGBH's National > Center for Accessible Media (NCAM) with $600,000 over three years to > research and develop technical solutions for delivering captioned content to > iPods, cell phones, PDAs and other mobile devices. > > Better late than never, but it always seems that new technologies always > lack accessibility features. Building them in later takes much more work > and is mor expensive. > > Read about this 4-part fee-based Webinar series starting September 18. A > description and registration are available online at > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > > > > > ---------- ---------- -------- > EASI Events for October: > Webinar 4-part series: Making Your E-learning System and Content More > Accessible (starting Oct. 4) > Webinar 4-part Series: Blogs, Wikis and Accessibility (starting Oct. 11) > Read more and register at easi.cc/clinic.htm > Month-long Online Course: Barrier-free Web Design > Read more and register at http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > > Norman Coombs > CEO EASI (www.easi.cc) > (949) 855-4852 Pacific time zone) > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- Dick Banks CTO - EASI: Equal Access to Software and Information Online Courses Starting OCT 1 Barrier-free Web Design http://easi.cc/workshops/easiwrb.htm From jbailey at uoregon.edu Thu Sep 13 09:34:44 2007 From: jbailey at uoregon.edu (James Bailey) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office Message-ID: <1189701284.314360.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> Possibly relevant link to this discussion, sorry if it has already been conveyed. /jb http://blogs.sun.com/ontherecord/entry/what_can_ibm_do_for -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:47:01 -0400, "Berkowitz, Daniel J" wrote: > Over the years (has it been years) I have espoused the superiority of > Open Office versus Microsoft Word -- especially as concerns their usage > in the work we do with digital textbooks creation and dissemination. > > This article from Linux.com just adds fuel to my ire... > http://www.linux.com/feature/118986 > > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From stacylee at ksu.edu Thu Sep 13 09:56:21 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] pdf problems Message-ID: <1189702581.46e96bb5d47a4@webmail.ksu.edu> Was handed this this a.m. - Received a pdf that won't run OCR because it says there's renderable text on the page, but won't read, either - says the page is "blank." Followed Adobe's advice and saved out as .tiff, then created a .pdf from the .tiff files, then ran OCR on the newly converted files. Same problem - won't read b/c pages are "blank." Thoughts? Advice? THANKS! Stacy Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba From rbeach at kckcc.edu Thu Sep 13 10:17:07 2007 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] pdf problems In-Reply-To: <1189702581.46e96bb5d47a4@webmail.ksu.edu> References: <1189702581.46e96bb5d47a4@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <46E92A43020000CF00000F93@mymail.kckcc.edu> What OCR package are you using? If you have a copy of a different program, try using it. I've had situations here when Omni or ABBYY wouldn't recognize files but the other one would. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> "Stacy L. Smith" 9/13/2007 11:56 AM >>> Was handed this this a.m. - Received a pdf that won't run OCR because it says there's renderable text on the page, but won't read, either - says the page is "blank." Followed Adobe's advice and saved out as .tiff, then created a .pdf from the .tiff files, then ran OCR on the newly converted files. Same problem - won't read b/c pages are "blank." Thoughts? Advice? THANKS! Stacy Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From jbailey at uoregon.edu Thu Sep 13 10:21:14 2007 From: jbailey at uoregon.edu (James Bailey) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] pdf problems In-Reply-To: <1189702581.46e96bb5d47a4@webmail.ksu.edu> References: <1189702581.46e96bb5d47a4@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <1189704074.698604.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> Can you print it? If so, print it and then scan it or run it through a virtual printer. Both WYNN and Kurzweil have virtual printers (maybe other products as well). -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:56:21 -0500, "Stacy L. Smith" wrote: > Was handed this this a.m. - > > Received a pdf that won't run OCR because it says there's renderable > text on the page, but won't read, either - says the page is "blank." > > Followed Adobe's advice and saved out as .tiff, then created a .pdf from > the .tiff files, then ran OCR on the newly converted files. > > Same problem - won't read b/c pages are "blank." > > Thoughts? Advice? > > THANKS! > > Stacy > > > Stacy Smith > Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services > 532-6441 > stacylee@ksu.edu > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the > Art of > Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place > to > train. > > --Morehei Ueshiba > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From pratikp1 at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 11:03:12 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office In-Reply-To: <000601c7f58b$4639f090$d2add1b0$@com> References: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604E2C796@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu><46E7BBA0020000CF00000D6B@mymail.kckcc.edu> <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE2BFCE95@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> <007f01c7f589$88d93750$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <000601c7f58b$4639f090$d2add1b0$@com> Message-ID: <00cb01c7f630$5a431f80$0ec95e80$@com> TR Wrote: It should be noted that often, even after a complex application such as this has accessibility support, AT vendors still need to add specific support for their AT product. ---- This is an important consideration when it comes to screen reader support for an application such as OpenOffice. The current screen reader support for MS Office is heavily customized by using the underlying object model. Open Office has received no such consideration from screen reader manufacturers due to its low adoption in the market place of users. (See Ron's post in this thread.) Part of the difficulty lies with Java support and the inconsistent manner in which this support is achieved among screen readers. The other problem lies with the lack of incentive for AT manufacturers to support this technology as MS Office is more prevalent. Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Travis Roth Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:22 PM To: skeegan@htctu.net; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office At present, for Writer, its accessibility under Gnome using Orca provides a better screen reader experience than trying via Windows. The IBM initiative will be interesting to watch. It should be noted that often, even after a complex application such as this has accessibility support, AT vendors still need to add specific support for their AT product. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:09 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft Word versus Open Office > It's screen reader access, particularly for Writer, > isn't exactly stellar. At one time, it was absolutely > out of reach. I have not seen this yet pop-up on this list yet, but there is some additional progress that may provide additional support to access in the Open Office application. The short version is that IBM is contributing code that is designed to support AT interactions with the Open Document Format. It will be interesting to see what happens next and how functional the technology proves to be with mainstream AT. Article: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/091007-ibm-accessibility.html I don't see the entire world suddenly moving away from MS Office anytime soon, but I am all for improving the level of access to applications like Open Office. Take care, Sean _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1003 - Release Date: 9/12/2007 10:56 AM _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Thu Sep 13 11:19:19 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] pdf problems Message-ID: Maybe this is a dumb question, but if you have a TIFF, why aren't you running that through OCR instead of converting back to PDF first? Am I missing something? Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 From stacylee at ksu.edu Thu Sep 13 11:23:12 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] pdf problems In-Reply-To: <1189702581.46e96bb5d47a4@webmail.ksu.edu> References: <1189702581.46e96bb5d47a4@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <1189707792.46e980109611a@webmail.ksu.edu> I forgot to add that we're using Adobe. Unfortunately, we don't have another OCR program. Thanks for all the responses! Stacy Quoting "Stacy L. Smith" : > Was handed this this a.m. - > > Received a pdf that won't run OCR because it says there's renderable > text on the page, but won't read, either - says the page is "blank." > > Followed Adobe's advice and saved out as .tiff, then created a .pdf > from > the .tiff files, then ran OCR on the newly converted files. > > Same problem - won't read b/c pages are "blank." > > Thoughts? Advice? > > THANKS! > > Stacy > > > Stacy Smith > Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services > 532-6441 > stacylee@ksu.edu > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the > Art of > Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place > to > train. > > --Morehei Ueshiba > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba From skeegan at htctu.net Thu Sep 13 11:24:42 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] pdf problems In-Reply-To: <1189707792.46e980109611a@webmail.ksu.edu> References: <1189702581.46e96bb5d47a4@webmail.ksu.edu> <1189707792.46e980109611a@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <001401c7f633$5b1227f0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> > I forgot to add that we're using Adobe. > Unfortunately, we don't have another OCR program. Let me just make sure I am understanding - you are using the built-in OCR engine that ships with Adobe Acrobat, correct? I'll bet dollars to doughnuts you are... I have encountered this before as well and I am not sure what is really happening behind the scenes. Acrobat will say that it "recognizes text", but then you don't get any usable information. In all honesty, I have not pursued this as I had access to other, and IMO, better OCR applications to extract text. I will see if there is another option. Take care, Sean From stacylee at ksu.edu Thu Sep 13 11:39:13 2007 From: stacylee at ksu.edu (Stacy L. Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] pdf problems In-Reply-To: <001401c7f633$5b1227f0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <1189702581.46e96bb5d47a4@webmail.ksu.edu> <1189707792.46e980109611a@webmail.ksu.edu> <001401c7f633$5b1227f0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <1189708753.46e983d15d47f@webmail.ksu.edu> Yes, I'm using nothing but Acrobat for the entire process, and followed the prompts on the dialogue boxes to access the OCR process. To answer an earlier question - I didn't go straight from TIFF because there are 632 TIFF files and merging them into one pdf is so much handier :) I would love to have a better program. Maybe this little glitch will turn out to be a good reason to get one ;) Thanks again - Stacy Quoting Sean Keegan : > > I forgot to add that we're using Adobe. > > Unfortunately, we don't have another OCR program. > > Let me just make sure I am understanding - you are using the built-in > OCR > engine that ships with Adobe Acrobat, correct? I'll bet dollars to > doughnuts you are... > > I have encountered this before as well and I am not sure what is > really > happening behind the scenes. Acrobat will say that it "recognizes > text", > but then you don't get any usable information. In all honesty, I > have not > pursued this as I had access to other, and IMO, better OCR > applications to > extract text. > > I will see if there is another option. > > Take care, > Sean > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Thu Sep 13 13:35:02 2007 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] pdf problems In-Reply-To: <1189708753.46e983d15d47f@webmail.ksu.edu> References: <1189702581.46e96bb5d47a4@webmail.ksu.edu><1189707792.46e980109611a@webmail.ksu.edu><001401c7f633$5b1227f0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <1189708753.46e983d15d47f@webmail.ksu.edu> Message-ID: <001701c7f645$8fd78130$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Stacy, I believe you'll need something like OMNIpage to convert this file. When I've had this problem, this has been my only workaround. -Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Stacy L. Smith Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:39 PM To: skeegan@htctu.net; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] pdf problems Yes, I'm using nothing but Acrobat for the entire process, and followed the prompts on the dialogue boxes to access the OCR process. To answer an earlier question - I didn't go straight from TIFF because there are 632 TIFF files and merging them into one pdf is so much handier :) I would love to have a better program. Maybe this little glitch will turn out to be a good reason to get one ;) Thanks again - Stacy Quoting Sean Keegan : > > I forgot to add that we're using Adobe. > > Unfortunately, we don't have another OCR program. > > Let me just make sure I am understanding - you are using the built-in > OCR > engine that ships with Adobe Acrobat, correct? I'll bet dollars to > doughnuts you are... > > I have encountered this before as well and I am not sure what is > really > happening behind the scenes. Acrobat will say that it "recognizes > text", > but then you don't get any usable information. In all honesty, I > have not > pursued this as I had access to other, and IMO, better OCR > applications to > extract text. > > I will see if there is another option. > > Take care, > Sean > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > Stacy Smith Adaptive Technology Specialist, Disability Support Services 532-6441 stacylee@ksu.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~ One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train. --Morehei Ueshiba _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From pricek at uic.edu Fri Sep 14 09:32:29 2007 From: pricek at uic.edu (Kevin Price) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Online Communities Message-ID: <001601c7f6ec$d7a7ed90$488bc183@D13GBMC1> Athen, I am interested in the accessibility of online communities including (but not exclusively) Facebook. I am reporting to a committee which is evaluating implementation of online communities on campus. I searched through some emails and I didn't see much discussion on this issue. I don't want to recreate the wheel if online community sites have been evaluated already. Another question is whether people with disabilities are using these online communities? PS I am looking forward to attending the Higher Ground conference in Boulder Colorado for the first time this year! Kevin Price MSW, ATP Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Resource Center (MC 321) University of Illinois at Chicago Suite 1190, Student Services Building 1200 West Harrison Street Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 Email: pricek@uic.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am reporting to a committee which is evaluating implementation of online communities on campus. I searched through some emails and I didn't see much discussion on this issue. I don't want to recreate the wheel if online community sites have been evaluated already. Another question is whether people with disabilities are using these online communities? PS I am looking forward to attending the Higher Ground conference in Boulder Colorado for the first time this year! Kevin Price MSW, ATP Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Resource Center (MC 321) University of Illinois at Chicago Suite 1190, Student Services Building 1200 West Harrison Street Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 Email: pricek@uic.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pratik From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:05 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Online Communities Kevin - Call Paul Hastings at Wheelock College in Boston - I believe he has done some work in this area. --Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Price Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:32 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Online Communities Athen, I am interested in the accessibility of online communities including (but not exclusively) Facebook. I am reporting to a committee which is evaluating implementation of online communities on campus. I searched through some emails and I didn't see much discussion on this issue. I don't want to recreate the wheel if online community sites have been evaluated already. Another question is whether people with disabilities are using these online communities? PS I am looking forward to attending the Higher Ground conference in Boulder Colorado for the first time this year! Kevin Price MSW, ATP Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Resource Center (MC 321) University of Illinois at Chicago Suite 1190, Student Services Building 1200 West Harrison Street Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 Email: pricek@uic.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ea at emptech.info Fri Sep 14 10:17:17 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Online Communities In-Reply-To: <001601c7f6ec$d7a7ed90$488bc183@D13GBMC1> References: <001601c7f6ec$d7a7ed90$488bc183@D13GBMC1> Message-ID: <004c01c7f6f3$1a5f5690$f26ffea9@laptop> See you there Kevin! :>)) A student with LD has just sent me this comment about facebook in a blog we have been writing. "Using Kurzweil 3000 is the simplest program that I have found to do this task. * Simply open up Firefox and Kurzweil * Browse to either facebook or your wiki of choice * Select the text that you want read outloud unfortunatly kurzweil?s web reader will not read within most input feilds to complete editing or other taskes on these websites you must write with in kurzweil and then copy and paste." There are several UK blogs and comments from people using JAWS. Face book and CAPTCHAs http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/access20/2007/07/facebook_overcomes_antisocial_1. shtml - Quick support to user who wanted to access Facebook also mentioned on http://staff.interesource.com/priority4/july2007/facebookcaptcha.htm Once you are in Facebooks Damon Rose on Access-uk and Jaws-Uk list made some useful comments http://www.freelists.org/archives/access-uk/06-2007/msg00406.html Brian Kelly has also written on the subject http://ukwebfocus.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/accessibility-and-innovation/ and is suggesting that we possibly need to have a more holistic approach to Web 2.0 applications... Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab ECS, University of Southampton Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info/ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Price Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 5:32 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Online Communities Athen, I am interested in the accessibility of online communities including (but not exclusively) Facebook. I am reporting to a committee which is evaluating implementation of online communities on campus. I searched through some emails and I didn?t see much discussion on this issue. I don?t want to recreate the wheel if online community sites have been evaluated already. Another question is whether people with disabilities are using these online communities? PS I am looking forward to attending the Higher Ground conference in Boulder Colorado for the first time this year! Kevin Price MSW, ATP Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Resource Center (MC 321) University of Illinois at Chicago Suite 1190, Student Services Building 1200 West Harrison Street Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 Email: pricek@uic.edu No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.18/1007 - Release Date: 13/09/2007 21:48 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.18/1007 - Release Date: 13/09/2007 21:48 From ea at emptech.info Fri Sep 14 10:22:02 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Online Communities In-Reply-To: <00cd01c7f6f2$3e671510$bb353f30$@com> References: <001601c7f6ec$d7a7ed90$488bc183@D13GBMC1><7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711604F2D5EB@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <00cd01c7f6f2$3e671510$bb353f30$@com> Message-ID: <005c01c7f6f3$c47bec10$f26ffea9@laptop> Sorry to be back again, but is there any way we can capture some of your notes Pratik and those of Paul Hastings on the ATHEN wiki as I would like to link to them all from a project I am working on at the moment? I am sorry if I am asking for something that is not possible and quite understand it is a horribly busy time of year. I will link the notes I have from that student and the weblinks from our project as soon as possible. Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab ECS, University of Southampton Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info/ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 6:11 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Online Communities Kevin, I can provide some informal information. Please let me know if there is a specific community you campus is considering. Pratik From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:05 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Online Communities Kevin ? Call Paul Hastings at Wheelock College in Boston ? I believe he has done some work in this area. --Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Price Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:32 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Online Communities Athen, I am interested in the accessibility of online communities including (but not exclusively) Facebook. I am reporting to a committee which is evaluating implementation of online communities on campus. I searched through some emails and I didn?t see much discussion on this issue. I don?t want to recreate the wheel if online community sites have been evaluated already. Another question is whether people with disabilities are using these online communities? PS I am looking forward to attending the Higher Ground conference in Boulder Colorado for the first time this year! Kevin Price MSW, ATP Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Resource Center (MC 321) University of Illinois at Chicago Suite 1190, Student Services Building 1200 West Harrison Street Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 Email: pricek@uic.edu No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.18/1007 - Release Date: 13/09/2007 21:48 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.18/1007 - Release Date: 13/09/2007 21:48 From wiersmac at uww.edu Fri Sep 14 13:41:56 2007 From: wiersmac at uww.edu (Wiersma, Constance A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN-Screen Enlarging Software Message-ID: <6A6DDE8A258FF94D86A95DC1898B909E01214E40@facmail3.uww.edu> Can anyone recommend a Screen Enlarging program that will work with Windows Server 2003? We currently are using ZoomText and are looking at some work arounds so that the student that is in a Network Admin class can access the screen by emulating the Windows Server application on a PC. I would be most appreciative of any solutions that you might have. Sincerely, Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Suite 104 Madison, WI 53575 phone 608-246-3444 ext. 234 fax 608-246-3445 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Wiersma, Constance A Sent: September 14, 2007 3:42 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] ATHEN-Screen Enlarging Software Can anyone recommend a Screen Enlarging program that will work with Windows Server 2003? We currently are using ZoomText and are looking at some work arounds so that the student that is in a Network Admin class can access the screen by emulating the Windows Server application on a PC. I would be most appreciative of any solutions that you might have. Sincerely, Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Fri Sep 14 20:17:52 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN-Screen Enlarging Software In-Reply-To: <000601c7f71b$ff468da0$6400a8c0@porch> References: <6A6DDE8A258FF94D86A95DC1898B909E01214E40@facmail3.uww.edu> <000601c7f71b$ff468da0$6400a8c0@porch> Message-ID: <000e01c7f747$17b69990$4723ccb0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> I don't have Connie's email at hand, so don't bash me because I am suggesting a Dolphin product. They have always had the best network support in their products, that is what originally drew a lot of IT folks, like me, to them when we were first fighting with Windows NT. J Connie is this a short term issue or a long term issue. Dolphin SuperNova has pretty complete support for a client-server based system and remote terminal clients of several flavors. The reason I am suggesting this is that you can get a 30 day download. Otherwise given that this is such a specialty application I would probably try the free stuff first, since you already have something that is working for the student. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Phillip Goodman Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 6:10 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN-Screen Enlarging Software Hi Connie! I don't know what aspects of ZoomText the student might need (other than the zoom), but you might try some of the freeware programs out there. I like DesktopZoom http://www.winload.de/download/57523/Grafik,Desktop/Desktoptools/DesktopZoom .portable.V1.3.html Izoom isn't free but you might want to try it http://www.issist.com Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR/L Assistive Technology Consultant/Systems Administrator Employment Resources, Inc. 4126 Lien Rd. Suite 104 Madison, WI 53575 phone 608-246-3444 ext. 234 fax 608-246-3445 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Wiersma, Constance A Sent: September 14, 2007 3:42 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] ATHEN-Screen Enlarging Software Can anyone recommend a Screen Enlarging program that will work with Windows Server 2003? We currently are using ZoomText and are looking at some work arounds so that the student that is in a Network Admin class can access the screen by emulating the Windows Server application on a PC. I would be most appreciative of any solutions that you might have. Sincerely, Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu Sat Sep 15 07:34:55 2007 From: saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu (Saroj Primlani) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 20, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1202.24.40.129.178.1189866895.squirrel@webmail.ncsu.edu> If you are looking to magnify the server remotely then the only application that works consistently is SuperNova by Dolphin. MAGic claims to work, but they leave a shadow of the remote machine if you move between the server. It may work fine if all you are trying to do is magnify the remote server. Contact me off list and I will step you through the process. Saroj -- Saroj Primlani Coordinator of University IT Accessibility NC State Campus Box 7109 Raleigh, NC 27695-7109 Phone: 919-513-4087 Email: Saroj_Primlani@ncsu.edu http://www.ncsu.edu/it/access Send Athen mailing list submissions to > athen@athenpro.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-request@athenpro.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-owner@athenpro.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. ATHEN-Screen Enlarging Software (Wiersma, Constance A) > 2. Re: ATHEN-Screen Enlarging Software (Phillip Goodman) > 3. Re: ATHEN-Screen Enlarging Software (Ron Stewart) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:41:56 -0500 > From: "Wiersma, Constance A" > Subject: [Athen] ATHEN-Screen Enlarging Software > To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" > > Message-ID: > <6A6DDE8A258FF94D86A95DC1898B909E01214E40@facmail3.uww.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Can anyone recommend a Screen Enlarging program that will work with > Windows Server 2003? We currently are using ZoomText and are looking at > some work arounds so that the student that is in a Network Admin class > can access the screen by emulating the Windows Server application on a > PC. I would be most appreciative of any solutions that you might have. > > Sincerely, > > Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director > Center for Students with Disabilities > University of Wisconsin-Whitewater > Whitewater, WI 53190 > Ph. 262-472-5244 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20070914/09c7656e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:10:00 -0500 > From: "Phillip Goodman" > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN-Screen Enlarging Software > To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > Message-ID: <000601c7f71b$ff468da0$6400a8c0@porch> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Connie! > > I don't know what aspects of ZoomText the student might need (other than > the > zoom), but you might try some of the freeware programs out there. I like > DesktopZoom > > http://www.winload.de/download/57523/Grafik,Desktop/Desktoptools/DesktopZoom > .portable.V1.3.html > > > > Izoom isn't free but you might want to try it http://www.issist.com > > > > > > > Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR/L > > Assistive Technology Consultant/Systems Administrator > > Employment Resources, Inc. > > 4126 Lien Rd. Suite 104 > > Madison, WI 53575 > > phone 608-246-3444 ext. 234 > > fax 608-246-3445 > > _____ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Wiersma, Constance A > Sent: September 14, 2007 3:42 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] ATHEN-Screen Enlarging Software > > > > Can anyone recommend a Screen Enlarging program that will work with > Windows > Server 2003? We currently are using ZoomText and are looking at some work > arounds so that the student that is in a Network Admin class can access > the > screen by emulating the Windows Server application on a PC. I would be > most > appreciative of any solutions that you might have. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director > > Center for Students with Disabilities > > University of Wisconsin-Whitewater > > Whitewater, WI 53190 > > Ph. 262-472-5244 > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20070914/772379bd/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:17:52 -0400 > From: "Ron Stewart" > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN-Screen Enlarging Software > To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > Message-ID: <000e01c7f747$17b69990$4723ccb0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I don't have Connie's email at hand, so don't bash me because I am > suggesting a Dolphin product. They have always had the best network > support > in their products, that is what originally drew a lot of IT folks, like > me, > to them when we were first fighting with Windows NT. J > > > > Connie is this a short term issue or a long term issue. Dolphin SuperNova > has pretty complete support for a client-server based system and remote > terminal clients of several flavors. The reason I am suggesting this is > that you can get a 30 day download. Otherwise given that this is such a > specialty application I would probably try the free stuff first, since you > already have something that is working for the student. > > > > Ron > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Phillip Goodman > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 6:10 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN-Screen Enlarging Software > > > > Hi Connie! > > I don't know what aspects of ZoomText the student might need (other than > the > zoom), but you might try some of the freeware programs out there. I like > DesktopZoom > > http://www.winload.de/download/57523/Grafik,Desktop/Desktoptools/DesktopZoom > .portable.V1.3.html > > > > Izoom isn't free but you might want to try it http://www.issist.com > > > > > > > Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR/L > > Assistive Technology Consultant/Systems Administrator > > Employment Resources, Inc. > > 4126 Lien Rd. Suite 104 > > Madison, WI 53575 > > phone 608-246-3444 ext. 234 > > fax 608-246-3445 > > _____ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Wiersma, Constance A > Sent: September 14, 2007 3:42 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] ATHEN-Screen Enlarging Software > > > > Can anyone recommend a Screen Enlarging program that will work with > Windows > Server 2003? We currently are using ZoomText and are looking at some work > arounds so that the student that is in a Network Admin class can access > the > screen by emulating the Windows Server application on a PC. I would be > most > appreciative of any solutions that you might have. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director > > Center for Students with Disabilities > > University of Wisconsin-Whitewater > > Whitewater, WI 53190 > > Ph. 262-472-5244 > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20070914/f0ca1f62/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > End of Athen Digest, Vol 20, Issue 16 > ************************************* > From larry.kiser at sfcc.edu Tue Sep 18 12:43:09 2007 From: larry.kiser at sfcc.edu (Larry Kiser) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Working with ICL staff Message-ID: <20070918154310012.00000001448@SF305507> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From accessible.text at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 13:37:06 2007 From: accessible.text at gmail.com (Robert Martinengo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Working with ICL staff In-Reply-To: <20070918154310012.00000001448@SF305507> References: <20070918154310012.00000001448@SF305507> Message-ID: <9edf8160709181337g49ecffb7kee148b036f40c880@mail.gmail.com> Larry, Just an opinion here, but it sounds like your administration is coming from a place of fear, so rational arguments will only take you so far. What will really shake their attitude is if they fear something else even more, such as a discrimination lawsuit. Short of that, you will be playing catchup for a long time. Bob Martinengo On 9/18/07, Larry Kiser wrote: > > > > > Folks: > > > > Due to losing an AT person over a year ago, budget cuts and a freeze on > hiring at our institution I took on the responsibility of overseeing our > Adaptive Technologies Lab and institution?wide adaptive workstations just > before the start of the Fall Semester 2007. Besides our main campus we have > four other centers. When our AT staff member left the lab and other > workstations were somewhat neglected but continued to operate. For example > the Instructional Computer Lab techs held our copies of Kurzweil version 10 > for almost a year and only since I took over has it been installed. The > problems are numerous and I seek some guidance. > > > > The last AT staff member had administrative rights to install software and > updates at all locations and conduct operational checks. According to the > ICL techs in order to maintain "security and stability of computers" no one > except ICL techs will have administrative rights. Our administration > supports this restriction. That would not be a problem but for the fact > when ICL techs install software they do not conduct operational checks. If > I am informed that computers with adaptive technologies are back in the labs > etc I find that most of the software is not useable. In August I informed > ICL and network staff that Kurzweil 3000 had a 10.04 update. They continue > to install version 10.00 only and consequently the audio output does not > function correctly. We have ZoomText version 8.0. the most recent update > for that version corrects "crashes" when the reading features are activated > with Word 2007. ICL continues to install ZT without the proper update. > > > > ICL staff members I need to deal with insist they cannot install even JAWS > or ZoomText icons on the desktop or start menu due to security protocols. > This hinders our low vision students' access. I have expressed concerns > about ensuring accessibility, as well as enhancing retention and academic > progress of students with disabilities. I have been told ICL will not > install software updates unless a computer quits working and needs to be > ghosted. An ICL staff member expressed the feeling that adaptive software > was only meant for home computers and not a secure network environment. It > has been suggested to me that students should bring their own computers to > school rather than expect that adaptive software will work on institutional > computers or that AT computer workstations should be off the network with > the expectation they will not be well maintained. > > > > Over the years our institution has moved heavily toward the use of > information and communication technology. Our department matched that trend > in the purchase of a wide array of adaptive software and hardware. Now due > to security measures students with disabilities are in danger of being > relegated to the technological backwaters. The administration supports the > security protocols because a rash of viruses two years ago shut down the > network at a critical time. The ICL department wants our department to be > responsible for the licenses but not the installs. Do you have any > suggestions? > > > > Larry Kiser, Counselor > > Disabilities Resource Center > > Santa Fe Community College > > Gainesville, FL > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Tue Sep 18 15:07:36 2007 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Working with ICL staff In-Reply-To: <20070918154310012.00000001448@SF305507> References: <20070918154310012.00000001448@SF305507> Message-ID: <46F04C28.8010907@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Larry, I am having the exact problem as you are encountering with the technology staff & the AT lab software/hardware. I would be really interested in following the solutions you and others come up with. Would you be kind enough to share? Thanks! Wink Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ Larry Kiser wrote: > > Folks: > > > > Due to losing an AT person over a year ago, budget cuts and a freeze > on hiring at our institution I took on the responsibility of > overseeing our Adaptive Technologies Lab and institution--wide > adaptive workstations just before the start of the Fall Semester > 2007. Besides our main campus we have four other centers. When our > AT staff member left the lab and other workstations were somewhat > neglected but continued to operate. For example the Instructional > Computer Lab techs held our copies of Kurzweil version 10 for almost a > year and only since I took over has it been installed. The problems > are numerous and I seek some guidance. > > > > The last AT staff member had administrative rights to install software > and updates at all locations and conduct operational checks. > According to the ICL techs in order to maintain "security and > stability of computers" no one except ICL techs will have > administrative rights. Our administration supports this restriction. > That would not be a problem but for the fact when ICL techs install > software they do not conduct operational checks. If I am informed > that computers with adaptive technologies are back in the labs etc I > find that most of the software is not useable. In August I informed > ICL and network staff that Kurzweil 3000 had a 10.04 update. They > continue to install version 10.00 only and consequently the audio > output does not function correctly. We have ZoomText version 8.0. the > most recent update for that version corrects "crashes" when the > reading features are activated with Word 2007. ICL continues to > install ZT without the proper update. > > > > ICL staff members I need to deal with insist they cannot install even > JAWS or ZoomText icons on the desktop or start menu due to security > protocols. This hinders our low vision students' access. I have > expressed concerns about ensuring accessibility, as well as enhancing > retention and academic progress of students with disabilities. I have > been told ICL will not install software updates unless a computer > quits working and needs to be ghosted. An ICL staff member expressed > the feeling that adaptive software was only meant for home computers > and not a secure network environment. It has been suggested to me > that students should bring their own computers to school rather than > expect that adaptive software will work on institutional computers or > that AT computer workstations should be off the network with the > expectation they will not be well maintained. > > > > Over the years our institution has moved heavily toward the use of > information and communication technology. Our department matched that > trend in the purchase of a wide array of adaptive software and > hardware. Now due to security measures students with disabilities are > in danger of being relegated to the technological backwaters. The > administration supports the security protocols because a rash of > viruses two years ago shut down the network at a critical time. The > ICL department wants our department to be responsible for the licenses > but not the installs. Do you have any suggestions? > > > > Larry Kiser, Counselor > > Disabilities Resource Center > > Santa Fe Community College > > Gainesville, FL > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From normajean.brand at hccs.edu Tue Sep 18 15:11:46 2007 From: normajean.brand at hccs.edu (normajean.brand) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Working with ICL staff In-Reply-To: <20070918154310012.00000001448@SF305507> References: <20070918154310012.00000001448@SF305507> Message-ID: I am working with a similar situation here, and see a continuing trend with our academic IT with regards to installation, maintenance and timeliness, so I'm also open to suggestions and insights. NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://nwc.hccs.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Larry Kiser Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 2:43 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Working with ICL staff Folks: Due to losing an AT person over a year ago, budget cuts and a freeze on hiring at our institution I took on the responsibility of overseeing our Adaptive Technologies Lab and institution-wide adaptive workstations just before the start of the Fall Semester 2007. Besides our main campus we have four other centers. When our AT staff member left the lab and other workstations were somewhat neglected but continued to operate. For example the Instructional Computer Lab techs held our copies of Kurzweil version 10 for almost a year and only since I took over has it been installed. The problems are numerous and I seek some guidance. The last AT staff member had administrative rights to install software and updates at all locations and conduct operational checks. According to the ICL techs in order to maintain "security and stability of computers" no one except ICL techs will have administrative rights. Our administration supports this restriction. That would not be a problem but for the fact when ICL techs install software they do not conduct operational checks. If I am informed that computers with adaptive technologies are back in the labs etc I find that most of the software is not useable. In August I informed ICL and network staff that Kurzweil 3000 had a 10.04 update. They continue to install version 10.00 only and consequently the audio output does not function correctly. We have ZoomText version 8.0. the most recent update for that version corrects "crashes" when the reading features are activated with Word 2007. ICL continues to install ZT without the proper update. ICL staff members I need to deal with insist they cannot install even JAWS or ZoomText icons on the desktop or start menu due to security protocols. This hinders our low vision students' access. I have expressed concerns about ensuring accessibility, as well as enhancing retention and academic progress of students with disabilities. I have been told ICL will not install software updates unless a computer quits working and needs to be ghosted. An ICL staff member expressed the feeling that adaptive software was only meant for home computers and not a secure network environment. It has been suggested to me that students should bring their own computers to school rather than expect that adaptive software will work on institutional computers or that AT computer workstations should be off the network with the expectation they will not be well maintained. Over the years our institution has moved heavily toward the use of information and communication technology. Our department matched that trend in the purchase of a wide array of adaptive software and hardware. Now due to security measures students with disabilities are in danger of being relegated to the technological backwaters. The administration supports the security protocols because a rash of viruses two years ago shut down the network at a critical time. The ICL department wants our department to be responsible for the licenses but not the installs. Do you have any suggestions? Larry Kiser, Counselor Disabilities Resource Center Santa Fe Community College Gainesville, FL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Tue Sep 18 15:18:47 2007 From: ron at ahead.org (ron@ahead.org) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Working with ICL staff In-Reply-To: <9edf8160709181337g49ecffb7kee148b036f40c880@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190153926.73871@stewartr.securesites.net> Greetings While Bob was less than tactful in his reply, but as usual there is some = insight in his reply. I will attribute that to the fact that he has actu= aly has never worked as a campus AT person and has no idea of the politic= al quandry you are finding yourself in. =20 My first piece of advice is to document everything, and at this point mak= e sure all your communications are in writting in regards to this issue. = I have dealt with this on a number of occasions, as a campus AT person a= nd in my work consulting with too many insitutions to count. Unfortunate= ly this senario is way to common across the country and is often the resu= lt of an IT ignorant adminstration. My favorite csae was the institution= that had a CIO that was answerable to no one, I like to refer to him as = the little king, a legend in his own mind. Things did not change there u= ntil he left, but once he did a lot of technology progress was made that = he had sat of for a number of years. Another is the lab staff that delib= erately broke the AT every time we fixed it because the student using tha= t particular lab was really a pain in the rear. In his reply Bob is really getting to the heart of it. This is that beca= use of the unworkable way in which your IT folks are managing their syste= ms they are descriminating against students with disablities by not provi= ding equal and equivelent access to the IT facilities of your campus. Wo= rse is the fact that your campus owns the AT necessary to provide access = but because of draconian and counterproductive IT policies it is not perf= orming as designed or intended. It may take a complaint to solve this, and a little quite incouragement m= ay bein order. From your position I would carefully document the specifi= c issues at hand, what has been done to resolve them, and what the impact= of this has been on the access issues for your students with disablities= . This information should be passed up your chain of command and also pr= ovided to the Director of the ILC. That may be all you can do, and then = resolve yourself to the situation at hand, or start looking for employmen= t elsewhere. If you would like to discuss this off line, I would be more than happy to. Ron Stewart On Sep 18 16:37, "Robert Martinengo" wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Working with ICL staff > > Larry, >=20 > Just an opinion here, but it sounds like your administration is coming > from a place of fear, so rational arguments will only take you so far. > What will really shake their attitude is if they fear something else > even more, such as a discrimination lawsuit. Short of that, you will > be playing catchup for a long time. >=20 > Bob Martinengo >=20 > On 9/18/07, Larry Kiser wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > Due to losing an AT person over a year ago, budget cuts and a freeze = on > > hiring at our institution I took on the responsibility of overseeing = our > > Adaptive Technologies Lab and institution=96wide adaptive workstation= s just > > before the start of the Fall Semester 2007. Besides our main campus = we have > > four other centers. When our AT staff member left the lab and other > > workstations were somewhat neglected but continued to operate. For e= xample > > the Instructional Computer Lab techs held our copies of Kurzweil vers= ion 10 > > for almost a year and only since I took over has it been installed. = The > > problems are numerous and I seek some guidance. > > > > > > > > The last AT staff member had administrative rights to install softwar= e and > > updates at all locations and conduct operational checks. According t= o the > > ICL techs in order to maintain "security and stability of computers" = no one > > except ICL techs will have administrative rights. Our administration > > supports this restriction. That would not be a problem but for the f= act > > when ICL techs install software they do not conduct operational check= s. If > > I am informed that computers with adaptive technologies are back in t= he labs > > etc I find that most of the software is not useable. In August I inf= ormed > > ICL and network staff that Kurzweil 3000 had a 10.04 update. They co= ntinue > > to install version 10.00 only and consequently the audio output does = not > > function correctly. We have ZoomText version 8.0. the most recent up= date > > for that version corrects "crashes" when the reading features are act= ivated > > with Word 2007. ICL continues to install ZT without the proper updat= e. > > > > > > > > ICL staff members I need to deal with insist they cannot install even= JAWS > > or ZoomText icons on the desktop or start menu due to security protoc= ols. > > This hinders our low vision students' access. I have expressed conce= rns > > about ensuring accessibility, as well as enhancing retention and acad= emic > > progress of students with disabilities. I have been told ICL will no= t > > install software updates unless a computer quits working and needs to= be > > ghosted. An ICL staff member expressed the feeling that adaptive sof= tware > > was only meant for home computers and not a secure network environmen= t. It > > has been suggested to me that students should bring their own compute= rs to > > school rather than expect that adaptive software will work on institu= tional > > computers or that AT computer workstations should be off the network = with > > the expectation they will not be well maintained. > > > > > > > > Over the years our institution has moved heavily toward the use of > > information and communication technology. Our department matched tha= t trend > > in the purchase of a wide array of adaptive software and hardware. N= ow due > > to security measures students with disabilities are in danger of bein= g > > relegated to the technological backwaters. The administration suppor= ts the > > security protocols because a rash of viruses two years ago shut down = the > > network at a critical time. The ICL department wants our department = to be > > responsible for the licenses but not the installs. Do you have any > > suggestions? > > > > > > > > Larry Kiser, Counselor > > > > Disabilities Resource Center > > > > Santa Fe Community College > > > > Gainesville, FL > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >=20 >=20 From ron at ahead.org Tue Sep 18 15:48:12 2007 From: ron at ahead.org (ron@ahead.org) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Working with ICL staff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1190155691.75862@stewartr.securesites.net> The key to resolution of this issue is adminstrative support to get the mainstream IT folks to understand the issue and work with you instead of against you as they are also trying to do thier job. Or if that does not work a direct instruction to quit being counterproductive can help as well. Also working to cultivating an understanding IT person helps. At the start it may take Pizza or Chocolate, but the technology we work with is pretty cool and quickly pegs the geek-meter of almost any technophile. You may also be working against outdated impresions of how hard AT is to work with, though with VISTA I am again being reminded. Ron Stewart On Sep 18 17:11, "normajean.brand" wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Working with ICL staff > > I am working with a similar situation here, and see a continuing trend > with our academic IT with regards to installation, maintenance and > timeliness, so I'm also open to suggestions and insights. > > > > NJ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > NJ Brand > Houston Community College-NW > Technical Support and Innovation Center > Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant > Town and Country Square Campus > MC 1379 Room RC13 > 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. > Houston TX 77043 > VM/Office: 713.718.5604 > FAX: 713.718.5430 > Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu > http://nwc.hccs.edu > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Larry Kiser > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 2:43 PM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] Working with ICL staff > > > > Folks: > > > > Due to losing an AT person over a year ago, budget cuts and a freeze on > hiring at our institution I took on the responsibility of overseeing our > Adaptive Technologies Lab and institution-wide adaptive workstations > just before the start of the Fall Semester 2007. Besides our main > campus we have four other centers. When our AT staff member left the > lab and other workstations were somewhat neglected but continued to > operate. For example the Instructional Computer Lab techs held our > copies of Kurzweil version 10 for almost a year and only since I took > over has it been installed. The problems are numerous and I seek some > guidance. > > > > The last AT staff member had administrative rights to install software > and updates at all locations and conduct operational checks. According > to the ICL techs in order to maintain "security and stability of > computers" no one except ICL techs will have administrative rights. Our > administration supports this restriction. That would not be a problem > but for the fact when ICL techs install software they do not conduct > operational checks. If I am informed that computers with adaptive > technologies are back in the labs etc I find that most of the software > is not useable. In August I informed ICL and network staff that > Kurzweil 3000 had a 10.04 update. They continue to install version > 10.00 only and consequently the audio output does not function > correctly. We have ZoomText version 8.0. the most recent update for > that version corrects "crashes" when the reading features are activated > with Word 2007. ICL continues to install ZT without the proper update. > > > > > ICL staff members I need to deal with insist they cannot install even > JAWS or ZoomText icons on the desktop or start menu due to security > protocols. This hinders our low vision students' access. I have > expressed concerns about ensuring accessibility, as well as enhancing > retention and academic progress of students with disabilities. I have > been told ICL will not install software updates unless a computer quits > working and needs to be ghosted. An ICL staff member expressed the > feeling that adaptive software was only meant for home computers and not > a secure network environment. It has been suggested to me that students > should bring their own computers to school rather than expect that > adaptive software will work on institutional computers or that AT > computer workstations should be off the network with the expectation > they will not be well maintained. > > > > Over the years our institution has moved heavily toward the use of > information and communication technology. Our department matched that > trend in the purchase of a wide array of adaptive software and hardware. > Now due to security measures students with disabilities are in danger of > being relegated to the technological backwaters. The administration > supports the security protocols because a rash of viruses two years ago > shut down the network at a critical time. The ICL department wants our > department to be responsible for the licenses but not the installs. Do > you have any suggestions? > > > > Larry Kiser, Counselor > > Disabilities Resource Center > > Santa Fe Community College > > Gainesville, FL > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > From Michael.Bastien at state.co.us Wed Sep 19 07:57:22 2007 From: Michael.Bastien at state.co.us (Michael Bastien) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] AT job position Message-ID: <46F0E472.7408.00AE.0@state.co.us> Hello, Please see the attached job announcement for an Adaptive Technology Specialist working for the Colorado Division of Vocational Rehabilitation. The position is housed in Denver and does require some travel. The job will be open through 9/28/07. Please feel free to pass this along to anyone that may be interested. Take care, Michael Bastien, ATP Adaptive Technology Coordinator DVR- Denver Metro Office 2211 West Evans Avenue Denver, CO 80223 (303) 866-3316 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or attorney-client privileged material. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. If you are the intended recipient but do not wish to receive communications through this medium, please so advise the sender immediately. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Job Announcement Sept 2007.doc Type: application/msword Size: 34816 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mcroll at CAHS.Colostate.edu Thu Sep 20 15:39:18 2007 From: mcroll at CAHS.Colostate.edu (Roll,Marla) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] job posting In-Reply-To: <1190155691.75862@stewartr.securesites.net> References: <1190155691.75862@stewartr.securesites.net> Message-ID: <95D1023BE1E90D43AD435E6F88562BCC0B713174E7@ODIN.CAHS.ColoState.EDU> Hello - I am forwarding this job announcement for an AT colleague from the Colorado Division of Vocational Rehabilitation. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hello all, Please see the attached job announcement for an Adaptive Technology Specialist working for the Colorado Division of Vocational Rehabilitation. The position is housed in Denver and does require some travel. The job will be open through 9/28/07. Please feel free to pass this along to anyone that may be interested. Take care, Michael Bastien, ATP Adaptive Technology Coordinator DVR- Denver Metro Office 2211 West Evans Avenue Denver, CO 80223 (303) 866-3316 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or attorney-client privileged material. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. If you are the intended recipient but do not wish to receive communications through this medium, please so advise the sender immediately. thenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Job Announcement Sept 2007.doc Type: application/msword Size: 404480 bytes Desc: Job Announcement Sept 2007.doc URL: From normajean.brand at hccs.edu Thu Sep 20 18:00:43 2007 From: normajean.brand at hccs.edu (normajean.brand) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Assistive/adaptive software & hardware & iMac... oh my Message-ID: Fellow ATHENians, Is anyone on the list using assistive/adaptive software (ZoomText, JAWS, Kurzweil, WYNN, etc.) installed on an iMac? And, if so, how successfully? The Academic IT Support team, where I am employed, is considering pulling all PCs from the classrooms and labs and installing iMacs, with Windows OS running in the background or foreground depending on the boot sequence. I have used Macs off and on since 1984 and they have some very good qualities about them, however I am concerned that ZoomText and other assistive software and possibly hardware will not run effectively, or at all, on the iMac environment. Not to mention segregating and calling attention to those users who may need the PC environment to access learning materials with assistive/adaptive software and hardware, I have major concerns regarding this plan of action. Any thoughts? Constructive suggestions/criticisms welcome. Dodging bullets here as they try to shoot the messenger... Thank you for sharing... NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. 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URL: From goodman at eri-wi.org Thu Sep 20 18:38:01 2007 From: goodman at eri-wi.org (Phillip Goodman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Assistive/adaptive software & hardware & iMac... oh my In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201c7fbf0$0cd16200$6400a8c0@porch> Not to bash Macs, nothing wrong with them for those who prefer to limit the applications they can run, the bottom line is that Macs only account for a small percentage of the computers being used worldwide. It sounds like a huge waste of money in both equipment and IT staff time to me. What is the point? If they want both Mac and IBM compatible machines why don't they have some of each? Macs have always been more expensive that PC's (apples to apples) and now they want to make sure they are paying more for ALL the workstations as opposed to half (or less)!. There are known issues with running some of the accommodations software using the Boot Camp and or Parallels boot systems, but I doubt they have investigated these issues. Have they given a reasonable explanation for why they want to do this? I smell an equipment deal or a Mac fanatic somewhere here! Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR/L Assistive Technology Consultant From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of normajean.brand Sent: September 20, 2007 8:01 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Assistive/adaptive software & hardware & iMac... oh my Fellow ATHENians, Is anyone on the list using assistive/adaptive software (ZoomText, JAWS, Kurzweil, WYNN, etc.) installed on an iMac? And, if so, how successfully? The Academic IT Support team, where I am employed, is considering pulling all PCs from the classrooms and labs and installing iMacs, with Windows OS running in the background or foreground depending on the boot sequence. I have used Macs off and on since 1984 and they have some very good qualities about them, however I am concerned that ZoomText and other assistive software and possibly hardware will not run effectively, or at all, on the iMac environment. Not to mention segregating and calling attention to those users who may need the PC environment to access learning materials with assistive/adaptive software and hardware, I have major concerns regarding this plan of action. Any thoughts? Constructive suggestions/criticisms welcome. Dodging bullets here as they try to shoot the messenger... Thank you for sharing... 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URL: From goodman at eri-wi.org Thu Sep 20 18:49:09 2007 From: goodman at eri-wi.org (Phillip Goodman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] AT job position In-Reply-To: <46F0E472.7408.00AE.0@state.co.us> References: <46F0E472.7408.00AE.0@state.co.us> Message-ID: <001d01c7fbf1$9a96c250$6400a8c0@porch> I have noticed that Colorado claims to be an equal opportunity employer. Is there some reason you have to be a RESIDENT of Colorado to apply for state positions? Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR/L Assistive Technology Consultant/Systems Administrator -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Michael Bastien Sent: September 19, 2007 9:57 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] AT job position Hello, Please see the attached job announcement for an Adaptive Technology Specialist working for the Colorado Division of Vocational Rehabilitation. The position is housed in Denver and does require some travel. The job will be open through 9/28/07. Please feel free to pass this along to anyone that may be interested. Take care, Michael Bastien, ATP Adaptive Technology Coordinator DVR- Denver Metro Office 2211 West Evans Avenue Denver, CO 80223 (303) 866-3316 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or attorney-client privileged material. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. If you are the intended recipient but do not wish to receive communications through this medium, please so advise the sender immediately. From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Thu Sep 20 19:18:37 2007 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN at Accessing Higher Ground Message-ID: <00a301c7fbf5$b80345d0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Hello All: Here is a list of the ATHEN sessions at this year's conference. Quite impressive. [Ron, I assume you want me to reserve a room for a meeting - time & date?] The full conference packet is posted if you want to download it. ACCESSING HIGHER GROUND: ACCESSIBLE MEDIA, WEB & TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE: ATHEN Presentations November 6 - 9 Early Registration Deadline: 10/15/07 DOWNLOAD THE FULL CONFERENCE PACKET at www.colorado.edu/ATconference The Access Technologist Higher Education Network (ATHEN) will be presenting a track of sessions at the Accessing Higher Ground Conference. A number of other sessions will be presented by ATHEN members. The following are the sessions from both these categories. * The AHEAD Institute on E-Text Production (2 day pre-conference workshop), Ron Stewart, Dolphin [ATHEN President], Gaeir Dietrich, High Tech Center Training Unit * Hardware and Software Players for Digital Talking Books (DAISY), Robert Beach, KCCC [ATHEN Pre-Conference Track] * Planting Textbooks and Harvesting DAISY: A Model Program for E-Text Production, Daniel Berkowitz & Adam Randazzo, Boston University [ATHEN Track] * Innovative AT Research at the University of Washington, Dan Comden, University of Washington [ATHEN Vice-President]] * DAISY for All, Ron Stewart, Dolphin Computer Access [ATHEN Track] * Lab: Designing Accessible PDF Forms through Adobe's LiveCycle Designer, Sean Keegan, HTCTU [ATHEN Track] * Software Players and Digital Talking Books (DAISY), Robert Beach, KC Kansas CC [ATHEN Track] * STEM and Blind Student- A Survey and Analysis of Current tools, Strategies and Solutions, Saroj Primlani, NC State University [ATHEN Track] * Using the Duxbury Braille Translation Software, Gaeir Dietrich, High Tech Center Training Unit [ATHEN Track] * Lab: Using Adobe PDF to Create Alternate Media, Gaeir Dietrich, HTCTU [ATHEN Track] * Design of an Assistive Technology Online Class, David Schwarte & Joe Humbert, Purdue University [ATHEN Track] * Web Accessibility in Higher Education: How Are We Doing?, Terry Thompson, DO-IT, U. of Washington, Saroj Primlani, NCSU [ATHEN Track] * Improving Math Access on the Web with MathML-based Web Pages, Sean Keegan, High Tech Center Training Unit [ATHEN Track] Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Fri Sep 21 06:10:50 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] AT job position Message-ID: Most states require residency in order to hold state positions. This has nothing to do with EEOC laws. I would wonder, though, if they would even interview someone from out of state, who would obviously move to Colorado if they accepted the job, or if they'd not even interview out of state to begin with? Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >[mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Phillip Goodman >Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:49 PM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] AT job position > >I have noticed that Colorado claims to be an equal opportunity >employer. Is there some reason you have to be a RESIDENT of >Colorado to apply for state positions? > >Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR/L >Assistive Technology Consultant/Systems Administrator >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >[mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Michael Bastien >Sent: September 19, 2007 9:57 AM >To: athen@athenpro.org >Subject: [Athen] AT job position > >Hello, > >Please see the attached job announcement for an Adaptive >Technology Specialist working for the Colorado Division of >Vocational Rehabilitation. >The position is housed in Denver and does require some travel. > >The job will be open through 9/28/07. Please feel free to >pass this along to anyone that may be interested. > >Take care, > > > >Michael Bastien, ATP >Adaptive Technology Coordinator >DVR- Denver Metro Office >2211 West Evans Avenue >Denver, CO 80223 >(303) 866-3316 > >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message is intended only >for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may >contain confidential and/or attorney-client privileged >material. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or >distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended >recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and >destroy all copies of the original message. If you are the >intended recipient but do not wish to receive communications >through this medium, please so advise the sender immediately. > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From obriemic at hvcc.edu Fri Sep 21 06:22:06 2007 From: obriemic at hvcc.edu (Michael O'Brien) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] AT job position In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200709211322.AIC24867@hvcc.edu> I thought those laws usually pertained to clerical and maintenance or law inforcement positions. Mike O'Brien, Hudson Valley Community College, Troy, NY. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M. Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 9:11 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] AT job position Most states require residency in order to hold state positions. This has nothing to do with EEOC laws. I would wonder, though, if they would even interview someone from out of state, who would obviously move to Colorado if they accepted the job, or if they'd not even interview out of state to begin with? Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >[mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Phillip Goodman >Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:49 PM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] AT job position > >I have noticed that Colorado claims to be an equal opportunity >employer. Is there some reason you have to be a RESIDENT of Colorado >to apply for state positions? > >Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR/L >Assistive Technology Consultant/Systems Administrator -----Original >Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >[mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Michael Bastien >Sent: September 19, 2007 9:57 AM >To: athen@athenpro.org >Subject: [Athen] AT job position > >Hello, > >Please see the attached job announcement for an Adaptive Technology >Specialist working for the Colorado Division of Vocational >Rehabilitation. >The position is housed in Denver and does require some travel. > >The job will be open through 9/28/07. Please feel free to pass this >along to anyone that may be interested. > >Take care, > > > >Michael Bastien, ATP >Adaptive Technology Coordinator >DVR- Denver Metro Office >2211 West Evans Avenue >Denver, CO 80223 >(303) 866-3316 > >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message is intended only for the >person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential >and/or attorney-client privileged material. Any unauthorized review, >use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the >intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and >destroy all copies of the original message. If you are the intended >recipient but do not wish to receive communications through this >medium, please so advise the sender immediately. > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Fri Sep 21 06:23:40 2007 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] AT job position Message-ID: I'm in Missouri, and pretty much all MO Govt jobs require MO residency. I don't think it's that unusual. Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >[mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Michael O'Brien >Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 8:22 AM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] AT job position > > I thought those laws usually pertained to clerical and >maintenance or law inforcement positions. > >Mike O'Brien, >Hudson Valley Community College, >Troy, NY. From djbrky at bu.edu Fri Sep 21 07:50:19 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN at Accessing Higher Ground In-Reply-To: <00a301c7fbf5$b80345d0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116051B3930@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Each of the past two years the ATHEN meeting has been on the Thursday of the conference at 6:00 PM. We may need a larger room than last year. ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:19 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] ATHEN at Accessing Higher Ground Hello All: Here is a list of the ATHEN sessions at this year's conference. Quite impressive. [Ron, I assume you want me to reserve a room for a meeting - time & date?] The full conference packet is posted if you want to download it. ACCESSING HIGHER GROUND: ACCESSIBLE MEDIA, WEB & TECHNOLOGY CONFERENCE: ATHEN Presentations November 6 - 9 Early Registration Deadline: 10/15/07 DOWNLOAD THE FULL CONFERENCE PACKET at www.colorado.edu/ATconference The Access Technologist Higher Education Network (ATHEN) will be presenting a track of sessions at the Accessing Higher Ground Conference. A number of other sessions will be presented by ATHEN members. The following are the sessions from both these categories. * The AHEAD Institute on E-Text Production (2 day pre-conference workshop), Ron Stewart, Dolphin [ATHEN President], Gaeir Dietrich, High Tech Center Training Unit * Hardware and Software Players for Digital Talking Books (DAISY), Robert Beach, KCCC [ATHEN Pre-Conference Track] * Planting Textbooks and Harvesting DAISY: A Model Program for E-Text Production, Daniel Berkowitz & Adam Randazzo, Boston University [ATHEN Track] * Innovative AT Research at the University of Washington, Dan Comden, University of Washington [ATHEN Vice-President]] * DAISY for All, Ron Stewart, Dolphin Computer Access [ATHEN Track] * Lab: Designing Accessible PDF Forms through Adobe's LiveCycle Designer, Sean Keegan, HTCTU [ATHEN Track] * Software Players and Digital Talking Books (DAISY), Robert Beach, KC Kansas CC [ATHEN Track] * STEM and Blind Student- A Survey and Analysis of Current tools, Strategies and Solutions, Saroj Primlani, NC State University [ATHEN Track] * Using the Duxbury Braille Translation Software, Gaeir Dietrich, High Tech Center Training Unit [ATHEN Track] * Lab: Using Adobe PDF to Create Alternate Media, Gaeir Dietrich, HTCTU [ATHEN Track] * Design of an Assistive Technology Online Class, David Schwarte & Joe Humbert, Purdue University [ATHEN Track] * Web Accessibility in Higher Education: How Are We Doing?, Terry Thompson, DO-IT, U. of Washington, Saroj Primlani, NCSU [ATHEN Track] * Improving Math Access on the Web with MathML-based Web Pages, Sean Keegan, High Tech Center Training Unit [ATHEN Track] Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hascherdss at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 08:25:15 2007 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHG - roommate search Message-ID: <6e0d34c90709210825k64c0c6cbjaaf767a64e2575ff@mail.gmail.com> Hi ladies! (Sorry, guys, but this one is strictly for the ladies.) In an effort to curtail travel costs and be able to attend other conferences/workshops throughout the year, I'm looking for a roommate for the AHG conference. I don't smoke, don't snore, and try to be a courteous roommate :-) If you're also looking to reduce your travel costs, please feel free to email me privately: hascherdss@gmail.com From normajean.brand at hccs.edu Fri Sep 21 08:38:00 2007 From: normajean.brand at hccs.edu (normajean.brand) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Assistive/adaptive software & hardware & iMac... oh my In-Reply-To: <001201c7fbf0$0cd16200$6400a8c0@porch> References: <001201c7fbf0$0cd16200$6400a8c0@porch> Message-ID: Phillip, All of the concerns you have listed I have brought to the table, however you are correct when you 'smelled' a Mac fanatic - the dept head. The IT folks are made up of 3/4 PC and 1/4 dual users but they of course will do whatever is handed down. I use both however it is a matter of using the right tool for the job, and a Mac of any breed is not the right tool for assistive technology IMHO. Right now I am the lone voice for assistive software and hardware. I think that part of the reasoning, from his perspective, is that Macs are easier to maintain, less problematic than PCs and the other part is 'they just look cooler, more hip and inline with today's generation of users.' This morning he said he would keep a PC in each classroom and lab for those who need accommodations if that was acceptable. I guess my fear is that is like putting a label on the student and saying "look at me" instead of blending with the rest of the students. The other fear is having to go to the purchasing dept and begging them to fund assistive software and hardware that **will** work with Macs. Thank you for your input! NJ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Phillip Goodman Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:38 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Assistive/adaptive software & hardware & iMac... oh my Not to bash Macs, nothing wrong with them for those who prefer to limit the applications they can run, the bottom line is that Macs only account for a small percentage of the computers being used worldwide. It sounds like a huge waste of money in both equipment and IT staff time to me. What is the point? If they want both Mac and IBM compatible machines why don't they have some of each? Macs have always been more expensive that PC's (apples to apples) and now they want to make sure they are paying more for ALL the workstations as opposed to half (or less)!. There are known issues with running some of the accommodations software using the Boot Camp and or Parallels boot systems, but I doubt they have investigated these issues. Have they given a reasonable explanation for why they want to do this? I smell an equipment deal or a Mac fanatic somewhere here! Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR/L Assistive Technology Consultant From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of normajean.brand Sent: September 20, 2007 8:01 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Assistive/adaptive software & hardware & iMac... oh my Fellow ATHENians, Is anyone on the list using assistive/adaptive software (ZoomText, JAWS, Kurzweil, WYNN, etc.) installed on an iMac? And, if so, how successfully? The Academic IT Support team, where I am employed, is considering pulling all PCs from the classrooms and labs and installing iMacs, with Windows OS running in the background or foreground depending on the boot sequence. I have used Macs off and on since 1984 and they have some very good qualities about them, however I am concerned that ZoomText and other assistive software and possibly hardware will not run effectively, or at all, on the iMac environment. Not to mention segregating and calling attention to those users who may need the PC environment to access learning materials with assistive/adaptive software and hardware, I have major concerns regarding this plan of action. Any thoughts? Constructive suggestions/criticisms welcome. Dodging bullets here as they try to shoot the messenger... Thank you for sharing... NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. I strive to create, innovate, and to research solutions to meet and exceed expectations. -- NJ Brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://nwc.hccs.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djbrky at bu.edu Fri Sep 21 08:56:47 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHG - roommate search In-Reply-To: <6e0d34c90709210825k64c0c6cbjaaf767a64e2575ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116051B3A63@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Does it count if I'm in the 'inner circle' ... ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Heidi Scher >Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:25 AM >To: Athen@athenpro.org >Subject: [Athen] AHG - roommate search > >Hi ladies! (Sorry, guys, but this one is strictly for the ladies.) > >In an effort to curtail travel costs and be able to attend other >conferences/workshops throughout the year, I'm looking for a roommate >for the AHG conference. I don't smoke, don't snore, and try to be a >courteous roommate :-) > >If you're also looking to reduce your travel costs, please feel free >to email me privately: hascherdss@gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From pratikp1 at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 09:04:03 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Assistive/adaptive software & hardware & iMac... oh my In-Reply-To: References: <001201c7fbf0$0cd16200$6400a8c0@porch> Message-ID: <006001c7fc69$0919f450$1b4ddcf0$@com> Hello, I'd slightly disagree with Phillip's point here. More and more software is being made available for the OSX platform that AT users with disabilities can use. While it may be true that the platform doesn't have as much choice when it comes to AT software and the machines are a little more expensive than your typical PC's, the platform has traction and is not going away any time soon. In fact, there's evidence that OSX is growing in popularity. TO answer your original question, you can run screen readers by installing/dualbooting the MAC machine into Windows. Many users (including myself) have done just that. Apple's Voiceover screen reader is not yet as powerful as screen readers designed for Windows, but it's getting there. Looking at the projected features slated to appear in OSX Leopard, I'll be impressed at the progress in the past few years. I would suggest that you look at www.atmac.org for some other AT choices. Follow the links. As AT professionals, we cannot afford to ignore any potential platforms including OSX and Linux whether we like a particular platform or not. And, there are some legitimate uses for each platform. Pratik From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of normajean.brand Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:38 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Assistive/adaptive software & hardware & iMac... oh my Phillip, All of the concerns you have listed I have brought to the table, however you are correct when you 'smelled' a Mac fanatic - the dept head. The IT folks are made up of 3/4 PC and 1/4 dual users but they of course will do whatever is handed down. I use both however it is a matter of using the right tool for the job, and a Mac of any breed is not the right tool for assistive technology IMHO. Right now I am the lone voice for assistive software and hardware. I think that part of the reasoning, from his perspective, is that Macs are easier to maintain, less problematic than PCs and the other part is 'they just look cooler, more hip and inline with today's generation of users.' This morning he said he would keep a PC in each classroom and lab for those who need accommodations if that was acceptable. I guess my fear is that is like putting a label on the student and saying "look at me" instead of blending with the rest of the students. The other fear is having to go to the purchasing dept and begging them to fund assistive software and hardware that **will** work with Macs. Thank you for your input! NJ _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Phillip Goodman Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:38 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Assistive/adaptive software & hardware & iMac... oh my Not to bash Macs, nothing wrong with them for those who prefer to limit the applications they can run, the bottom line is that Macs only account for a small percentage of the computers being used worldwide. It sounds like a huge waste of money in both equipment and IT staff time to me. What is the point? If they want both Mac and IBM compatible machines why don't they have some of each? Macs have always been more expensive that PC's (apples to apples) and now they want to make sure they are paying more for ALL the workstations as opposed to half (or less)!. There are known issues with running some of the accommodations software using the Boot Camp and or Parallels boot systems, but I doubt they have investigated these issues. Have they given a reasonable explanation for why they want to do this? I smell an equipment deal or a Mac fanatic somewhere here! Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR/L Assistive Technology Consultant From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of normajean.brand Sent: September 20, 2007 8:01 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Assistive/adaptive software & hardware & iMac... oh my Fellow ATHENians, Is anyone on the list using assistive/adaptive software (ZoomText, JAWS, Kurzweil, WYNN, etc.) installed on an iMac? And, if so, how successfully? The Academic IT Support team, where I am employed, is considering pulling all PCs from the classrooms and labs and installing iMacs, with Windows OS running in the background or foreground depending on the boot sequence. I have used Macs off and on since 1984 and they have some very good qualities about them, however I am concerned that ZoomText and other assistive software and possibly hardware will not run effectively, or at all, on the iMac environment. Not to mention segregating and calling attention to those users who may need the PC environment to access learning materials with assistive/adaptive software and hardware, I have major concerns regarding this plan of action. Any thoughts? Constructive suggestions/criticisms welcome. Dodging bullets here as they try to shoot the messenger... Thank you for sharing... NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. I strive to create, innovate, and to research solutions to meet and exceed expectations. -- NJ Brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://nwc.hccs.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hascherdss at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 09:12:25 2007 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHG - roommate search In-Reply-To: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116051B3A63@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <6e0d34c90709210825k64c0c6cbjaaf767a64e2575ff@mail.gmail.com> <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C7116051B3A63@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <6e0d34c90709210912p7fdd3780i94f899e9b712c0fb@mail.gmail.com> Dann, I can think of numerous come backs to that, but none that I could post here! :-) And while the I regard the inner circle with great reverence and respect for the wisdom of those within, I believe this might be JUST outside of the consecrated circular formation. (Besides, didn't you tell me that you snore?!) On 9/21/07, Berkowitz, Daniel J wrote: > Does it count if I'm in the 'inner circle' ... > > > ========================= > Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director > Boston University Office of Disability Services > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor > Boston, MA 02215 > > (617) 353-3658 (office) > (617) 353-9646 (fax) > djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) > www.bu.edu/disability > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > >Behalf Of Heidi Scher > >Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:25 AM > >To: Athen@athenpro.org > >Subject: [Athen] AHG - roommate search > > > >Hi ladies! (Sorry, guys, but this one is strictly for the ladies.) > > > >In an effort to curtail travel costs and be able to attend other > >conferences/workshops throughout the year, I'm looking for a roommate > >for the AHG conference. I don't smoke, don't snore, and try to be a > >courteous roommate :-) > > > >If you're also looking to reduce your travel costs, please feel free > >to email me privately: hascherdss@gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Athen mailing list > >Athen@athenpro.org > >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From skeegan at htctu.net Fri Sep 21 11:41:41 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Assistive/adaptive software & hardware & iMac... oh my In-Reply-To: References: <001201c7fbf0$0cd16200$6400a8c0@porch> Message-ID: <002301c7fc7f$0e647820$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hi NJ, > The Academic IT Support team, where I am employed, is considering pulling > all PCs from the classrooms and labs and installing iMacs, with Windows OS > running in the background or foreground depending on the boot sequence. Is the intent to use BootCamp for OS X or is the intent to use something like Parallels? Important distinction as with BootCamp (as it presently exists) you boot into *either* the Windows OS or the Mac OS. Parallels, on the other hand, runs as a virtual machine from within the Mac OS environment. The reason I raise this distinction is that it has profound affect upon how an individual would even log in to the system. My question would be if a student can independently login to the machine if using the Parallels environment. Sure, we have had success getting AT to run under the Parallels environment, but you need to be able to navigate the Mac OS first in order to get Parallels running. (Note - With Parallels, we have been able to get both JAWS 7.x, Window-Eyes, and Dragon Naturally Speaking to work. We were not able to get ZoomText 8.x to work). If this is a serious consideration by your IT department, then they are really bleeding edge. BootCamp is not even released yet, other then the public beta versions, and if they are making such a decision based on public betas for campus labs, they have a lot of guts. > This morning he said he would keep a PC in each classroom and lab for those > who need accommodations if that was acceptable. I think this needs to really be thought through - particularly for the classroom environments. The Mac OS and the Windows OS are really different. What happens when an instructor is teaching from the Mac platform and the student is on the Windows platform? Not all Windows/Mac applications have the same features for both platforms. I suspect it could be a *very* different experience for a student as compared to the rest of the class. As Pratik mentioned, there are some legitimate uses for each platform and, provided that the various issues are considered and addressed, then it may be an option. Take care, Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The issue is that Macs also tend to have a longer lifespan that the typical windows box so many of these are not running OSX in any form. To be perfectly honest I actually like OSX, the problem is none of the major applications I have to use will run properly on a Mac. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:42 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Assistive/adaptive software & hardware & iMac... oh my Hi NJ, > The Academic IT Support team, where I am employed, is considering pulling > all PCs from the classrooms and labs and installing iMacs, with Windows OS > running in the background or foreground depending on the boot sequence. Is the intent to use BootCamp for OS X or is the intent to use something like Parallels? Important distinction as with BootCamp (as it presently exists) you boot into *either* the Windows OS or the Mac OS. Parallels, on the other hand, runs as a virtual machine from within the Mac OS environment. The reason I raise this distinction is that it has profound affect upon how an individual would even log in to the system. My question would be if a student can independently login to the machine if using the Parallels environment. Sure, we have had success getting AT to run under the Parallels environment, but you need to be able to navigate the Mac OS first in order to get Parallels running. (Note - With Parallels, we have been able to get both JAWS 7.x, Window-Eyes, and Dragon Naturally Speaking to work. We were not able to get ZoomText 8.x to work). If this is a serious consideration by your IT department, then they are really bleeding edge. BootCamp is not even released yet, other then the public beta versions, and if they are making such a decision based on public betas for campus labs, they have a lot of guts. > This morning he said he would keep a PC in each classroom and lab for those > who need accommodations if that was acceptable. I think this needs to really be thought through - particularly for the classroom environments. The Mac OS and the Windows OS are really different. What happens when an instructor is teaching from the Mac platform and the student is on the Windows platform? Not all Windows/Mac applications have the same features for both platforms. I suspect it could be a *very* different experience for a student as compared to the rest of the class. As Pratik mentioned, there are some legitimate uses for each platform and, provided that the various issues are considered and addressed, then it may be an option. Take care, Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ea at emptech.info Sun Sep 23 05:05:12 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Assistive/adaptive software & hardware & iMac... oh my In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005101c7fdda$02177ca0$578afea9@laptop> Weaving and diving and then ducking back under the parapet, the only comment I have is that when I used AT on a Mac within bootcamp it all worked but the practicalities were that I could not save files between the two operating systems. The Mac could see the PC hard disk but not vice versa, so I had to use a USB memory stick to transfer files or send them up to a server. I also had to use two keyboards and two mice as several shortcuts and right hand mouse clicks differed. But this was last year so may be things have changed with the latest updates. Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab ECS, University of Southampton Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info/ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of normajean.brand Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:01 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Assistive/adaptive software & hardware & iMac... oh my Fellow ATHENians, Is anyone on the list using assistive/adaptive software (ZoomText, JAWS, Kurzweil, WYNN, etc.) installed on an iMac? And, if so, how successfully? The Academic IT Support team, where I am employed, is considering pulling all PCs from the classrooms and labs and installing iMacs, with Windows OS running in the background or foreground depending on the boot sequence. I have used Macs off and on since 1984 and they have some very good qualities about them, however I am concerned that ZoomText and other assistive software and possibly hardware will not run effectively, or at all, on the iMac environment. Not to mention segregating and calling attention to those users who may need the PC environment to access learning materials with assistive/adaptive software and hardware, I have major concerns regarding this plan of action. Any thoughts? Constructive suggestions/criticisms welcome. Dodging bullets here as they try to shoot the messenger... Thank you for sharing... NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. I strive to create, innovate, and to research solutions to meet and exceed expectations. -- NJ Brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://nwc.hccs.edu No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.25/1018 - Release Date: 19/09/2007 15:59 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.25/1018 - Release Date: 19/09/2007 15:59 From pratikp1 at gmail.com Mon Sep 24 01:01:48 2007 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: [leadership] FW: Braille literacy on PBS Message-ID: <02c301c7fe81$29408900$7bc19b00$@com> Dear Colleagues, This is an interesting half-hour documentary regarding literacy. You can watch it online. Please see below for a description. Sincerely, Pratik -----Original Message----- From: Peter Altschul [mailto:paltschul@centurytel.net] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:42 AM To: leadership@acb.org Cc: EEBONOFF@aol.com; 'Nancy Hart' Subject: [leadership] FW: Braille literacy on PBS A new PBS show, "A Chance to Read," highlights new strategies that special education teachers across the country are using to help students find success. With a provocative premise that claims society "assumes" children with disabilities can't learn to read well, the program highlights a young student in Denton, Texas, who reads Braille fluently, a feat that only 10 percent of people who are blind have achieved. The program also covers emerging assistive technologies that help people who are blind find independence. "A Chance to Read" also profiles a revolutionary program for deaf and hard of hearing students; explores an innovative literacy program for students who have cognitive disabilities; and follows an unusual program for students who are "twice-exceptional." Hosted by actress Molly Ringwald, who grew up reading to her jazz musician father, who is blind, "A Chance to Read" will air on public television stations this fall (check local listings). For more information about the show, or to watch it online, please go to http://www.readingrockets.org/article/16686. Barbara Milleville, President ncclv@yahoo.com National Capital Citizens with Low Vision "In the 3rd millennium, we take a closer look." ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ -- Join the Monthly Monetary Support program (MMS) and help improve tomorrow today in ACB. For details, contact Dr. Ron Milliman, MMS Program Committee Chair, by e-mail: rmilliman@insightbb.com or by phone at 270-782-9325 and get started making tomorrow look brighter today in ACB! This message has come to you from the ACB Leadership List: a special List for use by the leadership of the American Council of the Blind. This communication is privileged and may contain confidential information intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, other distribution of this communication is strictly prohibited and may result in immediate removal from the List. If you have received this message in error, please notify ACB immediately by writing to support@acb.org. From accessible.text at gmail.com Mon Sep 24 05:48:53 2007 From: accessible.text at gmail.com (Robert Martinengo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: [leadership] FW: Braille literacy on PBS In-Reply-To: <02c301c7fe81$29408900$7bc19b00$@com> References: <02c301c7fe81$29408900$7bc19b00$@com> Message-ID: <9edf8160709240548i4e7d152eo1f30698ab1c3a14a@mail.gmail.com> One of the segments of this show, 'Access Granted', is about AMAC, here in Georgia. On 9/24/07, Pratik Patel wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > This is an interesting half-hour documentary regarding literacy. You can > watch it online. Please see below for a description. > > Sincerely, > > Pratik > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Altschul [mailto:paltschul@centurytel.net] > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:42 AM > To: leadership@acb.org > Cc: EEBONOFF@aol.com; 'Nancy Hart' > Subject: [leadership] FW: Braille literacy on PBS > > > > > A new PBS show, "A Chance to Read," highlights new > strategies that special education teachers across the > country are using to help students find success. > > With a provocative premise that claims society > "assumes" children with disabilities can't learn to > read well, the program highlights a young student in > Denton, Texas, who reads Braille fluently, a feat that > only 10 percent of people who are blind have achieved. > The program also covers emerging assistive > technologies that help people who are blind find > independence. > > "A Chance to Read" also profiles a revolutionary > program for deaf and hard of hearing students; > explores an innovative literacy program for students > who have cognitive disabilities; and follows an > unusual program for students who are > "twice-exceptional." > > Hosted by actress Molly Ringwald, who grew up reading > to her jazz musician father, who is blind, "A Chance > to Read" will air on public television stations this > fall (check local listings). For more information > about the show, or to watch it online, please go to > http://www.readingrockets.org/article/16686. > > > Barbara Milleville, President > ncclv@yahoo.com > National Capital Citizens with Low Vision > "In the 3rd millennium, we take a closer look." > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play > Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > http://sims.yahoo.com/ > > > > > -- > Join the Monthly Monetary Support program (MMS) and help improve tomorrow > today in ACB. > For details, contact Dr. Ron Milliman, MMS Program Committee Chair, by > e-mail: > rmilliman@insightbb.com or by phone at 270-782-9325 and get started making > tomorrow look brighter today in ACB! > > This message has come to you from the ACB Leadership List: a special > List for use by the leadership of the American Council of the Blind. > This communication is privileged and may contain confidential > information intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. > Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, other distribution of this > communication is strictly prohibited and may result in immediate removal > from the List. If you have received this message in error, please > notify ACB immediately by writing to support@acb.org. > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From normajean.brand at hccs.edu Mon Sep 24 15:14:53 2007 From: normajean.brand at hccs.edu (normajean.brand) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Assistive/adaptive software & hardware & iMac... oh my In-Reply-To: <005101c7fdda$02177ca0$578afea9@laptop> References: <005101c7fdda$02177ca0$578afea9@laptop> Message-ID: Thank you all for your candid, thoughtful responses. We were an all Mac environment up until about 1998/99 when we purchased a few Compaqs with the Bigfoot hard-drive configuration. When they deemed that to be a total loss, they purchased Dells and starting phasing out Macs. The only Mac users were those who were in the graphics and PR depts. I have used Macs off and on since 1984, so I'm ok them. We have spent thousands of dollars on assistive/adaptive software and hardware that work in a PC environment. The students we encounter who need this type of software/hardware are normally PC users. I'm not sure everyone in my organization has truly thought this through, and the one leading the charge is a Mac-addict. I understand that Macs typically have a longer lifespan (my Mac Plus still works!) than PCs and are generally 'cooler' looking than PCs and would appeal aesthetically to X-Gens and Millennials; however, I don't think we have to always be on the bleeding edge lest we find ourselves bleeding trying to accommodate students. ;) Just my thought anyway. Again, thank you all for your thoughts. NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://nwc.hccs.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:05 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Assistive/adaptive software & hardware & iMac... oh my Weaving and diving and then ducking back under the parapet, the only comment I have is that when I used AT on a Mac within bootcamp it all worked but the practicalities were that I could not save files between the two operating systems. The Mac could see the PC hard disk but not vice versa, so I had to use a USB memory stick to transfer files or send them up to a server. I also had to use two keyboards and two mice as several shortcuts and right hand mouse clicks differed. But this was last year so may be things have changed with the latest updates. Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab ECS, University of Southampton Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info/ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of normajean.brand Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:01 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Assistive/adaptive software & hardware & iMac... oh my Fellow ATHENians, Is anyone on the list using assistive/adaptive software (ZoomText, JAWS, Kurzweil, WYNN, etc.) installed on an iMac? And, if so, how successfully? The Academic IT Support team, where I am employed, is considering pulling all PCs from the classrooms and labs and installing iMacs, with Windows OS running in the background or foreground depending on the boot sequence. I have used Macs off and on since 1984 and they have some very good qualities about them, however I am concerned that ZoomText and other assistive software and possibly hardware will not run effectively, or at all, on the iMac environment. Not to mention segregating and calling attention to those users who may need the PC environment to access learning materials with assistive/adaptive software and hardware, I have major concerns regarding this plan of action. Any thoughts? Constructive suggestions/criticisms welcome. Dodging bullets here as they try to shoot the messenger... Thank you for sharing... NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. I strive to create, innovate, and to research solutions to meet and exceed expectations. -- NJ Brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://nwc.hccs.edu No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.25/1018 - Release Date: 19/09/2007 15:59 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.25/1018 - Release Date: 19/09/2007 15:59 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From djbrky at bu.edu Tue Sep 25 07:44:02 2007 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Berkowitz, Daniel J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Turning Text into MP3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7D1ADD40E83FAB45B7939DF1860C711605283445@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Michelle, The hardest part of turning text into MP3 is the front-end production necessary to create clean documents that can be converted. There are a number of programs that will Text-to-Speech encode text based documents and create MP3 files. This feature is built in to programs such as Kurzweil, some of the TextHelp line, items from Premiere, and others. However, the more important part is having a workflow in place that will allow you to create and/or format text documents that will easily TTS build into MP3 files. Also of importance is being able to explain to student end users what they will actually be provided. What the end product will look (sound) like. It is easy to ask for MP3 - but not so easy to produce. Unlike the well trained volunteer readers at RFB&D, a computer program cannot tell what should be read in what order or verbally explained or pointed out. Please allow me to provide a description I have found useful. Imagine piece of choral music versus a single lyric strand. Now look at some of the textbooks your students are requesting and imagine them as a piece of vocal music. Some may have a single narrative strand and will be easy enough to do - but what do you do about end notes on pages? Will these heard as a lead singer with the occasional backup singer interjecting? As books get more complicated so do the 'vocal' arrangements. Many textbooks have side bars, cutouts, foot notes, charts and graphs and other visual elements filled with text. In theory such documents could be converted to MP3 but would sound like some off-the-wall Philip Glass orchestration. More likely is that the MP3 software will crash. What you need to do is find the central stream of text running through the document. Strip away everything that is not part of this central stream and focus the MP3 build on this flow. You have to treat end-users of MP3 files as you would the old cassette recordings. The assumption being these are non-VI users who will have the book in hand and be reading along with the audio. They can see the stream even if they have trouble swimming in it. Personally and professionally, I prefer to create DAISY Talking Books with MP3 Text-to-Speech encoding. Within a DAISY folder can be found the MP3 files that comprise the audio output. These can then be extracted and handed to students as the MP3 files they want. At the same time you will have created not only a DAISY book but you can also extract the Text Source file and/or the HTML core files for students needing those. I know this sounds complicated -- and I do not deny that it can be. But as you are finding out, the one-touch "solutions" also have their share of complications. I may as well also throw in a plug for the Accessing Higher Ground conference where such topics will be covered by the pros. http://www.colorado.edu/atconference/ Cheers --- Dann ========================= Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director Boston University Office of Disability Services 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor Boston, MA 02215 (617) 353-3658 (office) (617) 353-9646 (fax) djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) www.bu.edu/disability >-----Original Message----- >From: Michelle Rigler [mailto:michelle-rigler@utc.edu] >Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 3:32 PM >To: Berkowitz, Daniel J >Subject: RE: More questions about Kurzweil > >Dan, >We are struggling with the same issues and I have recently come to that >same conclusion. I can't believe it took me as long as it has, but we >are having so many students asking for their books in MP3 format to use >on their IPods, but what other systems could be used to do this? >Michelle > >Michelle Rigler, Director >Office for Students with Disabilities >University of Tennessee at Chattanooga >(423)425-4008 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Disabled Student Services in Higher Education >[mailto:DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Berkowitz, Daniel J >Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 3:23 PM >To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: More questions about Kurzweil > >Your first mistake was in purchasing Kurzweil -- normally such a comment >would be followed by a of some sort but in this case I am being >serious. > >As much as they may market it thus - Kurzweil is simply not designed for >the sort of full textbook projects that we commonly undertake in the >postsecondary environment. It has it place in education but more and >more we hear of people who are trying to push the software program >beyond its abilities. > >Unfortunately schools tend to sink their money into the Kurzweil system >and have little if anything left over for other E-Text options. For the >price of Kurzweil you could also set up a very nice DAISY production >operation that will provide a variety of options faster than running >Kurzweil. > >Just my 2-cents on the matter --- Dann > >========================= >Daniel Berkowitz - Assistant Director >Boston University Office of Disability Services >19 Deerfield Street, 2nd floor >Boston, MA 02215 > >(617) 353-3658 (office) >(617) 353-9646 (fax) >djbrky@bu.edu (eMail) >www.bu.edu/disability > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Disabled Student Services in Higher Education [mailto:DSSHE- >>L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Lisa A Deneen >>Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:31 PM >>To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>Subject: More questions about Kurzweil >> >>Aloha, >> >>First I want to say thank you for your responses a couple of weeks ago >>regarding cleaning up text in Kurzweil. They were helpful and I did >>figure out a much quicker method. Now I have a new question: >>I am converting the text to audio, but when I open the conversion it >>has only read 1 or 2 pages of the chapter- even though I told Kurzweil >>to do the entire document. I have also tried highlighting all of the >>text in the chapter and telling Kurzweil to read the selection. Yet, >>it still only reads 1-2 pages when I open the audio file. Help! What >>am I doing wrong? >>Any advice would be welcome. >> >>Thanks, >>Lisa >> >>---------------------------------- >>Lisa Deneen >>Disabilities Coordinator/Counselor >>Maui Community College >>310 W. Ka'ahumanu Ave >>Kahului, HI 96732 >>808-984-3227 >> >>This list is intended to serve as a forum for higher education >>professionals involved in the delivery of services to students with >>disabilities in higher education. 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Contact Listowner Dan Ryan at dryan@buffalo.edu From skeegan at htctu.net Tue Sep 25 15:51:27 2007 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] WinTriangle Issues Message-ID: <002f01c7ffc6$9b972590$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Is anyone currently using WinTriangle 4.0 RC1? I have been noticing a number of issues with this version and I am trying to find out if it is me or the system. Specifically, I cannot get WinTriangle to read any fractions or other math content. It reads numbers and symbols that are inline (e.g., 5x+3=y), but nothing that would be a super or subscript. Incidentally, getting WinTriangle to read has not been easy - Ctrl+R no longer "reads" the equation, it just right-justifies the equation in the page. I have more issues, but would like to start a dialogue for anyone out there... sean Sean Keegan Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Tue Sep 25 16:11:24 2007 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] WinTriangle Issues In-Reply-To: <002f01c7ffc6$9b972590$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <002f01c7ffc6$9b972590$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <46F9959C.3050406@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Sean, We have a much older version and are not having any of the issues you mentioned. Have you talked to the designers at U. Washington? Wink Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Sean Keegan wrote: > Is anyone currently using WinTriangle 4.0 RC1? I have been noticing a > number of issues with this version and I am trying to find out if it is me > or the system. > > Specifically, I cannot get WinTriangle to read any fractions or other math > content. It reads numbers and symbols that are inline (e.g., 5x+3=y), but > nothing that would be a super or subscript. Incidentally, getting > WinTriangle to read has not been easy - Ctrl+R no longer "reads" the > equation, it just right-justifies the equation in the page. > > I have more issues, but would like to start a dialogue for anyone out > there... > > sean > > Sean Keegan > Web Accessibility Instructor > High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Wed Sep 26 08:24:38 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] WinTriangle Issues In-Reply-To: <46F9959C.3050406@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: <1190820278.51353@stewartr.securesites.net> Actually it was developed at Oregon State, but is now an opensource project being managed by one of my former grad students. Ron Stewart On Sep 25 16:11, Wink Harner wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Athen] WinTriangle Issues > > Sean, > > We have a much older version and are not having any of the issues you > mentioned. Have you talked to the designers at U. Washington? > > Wink > Ms. Wink Harner > Manager > Disability Resources & Services > Mesa Community College > > > Sean Keegan wrote: > > Is anyone currently using WinTriangle 4.0 RC1? I have been noticing a > > number of issues with this version and I am trying to find out if it is me > > or the system. > > > > Specifically, I cannot get WinTriangle to read any fractions or other math > > content. It reads numbers and symbols that are inline (e.g., 5x+3=y), but > > nothing that would be a super or subscript. Incidentally, getting > > WinTriangle to read has not been easy - Ctrl+R no longer "reads" the > > equation, it just right-justifies the equation in the page. > > > > I have more issues, but would like to start a dialogue for anyone out > > there... > > > > sean > > > > Sean Keegan > > Web Accessibility Instructor > > High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > From hascherdss at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 13:01:22 2007 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac Message-ID: <6e0d34c90709261301t6637f83yc01c7e09bc832f0e@mail.gmail.com> Hi all! OK - here it is - I'm not familiar with AT for the Mac. I admit it. Hard to believe that I've not had students asking me until now. But just today, I've had a student in my office to discuss options. So, of course, I come to you, this oh-so-wise group, to gain knowledge and understanding. Student is running Mac OS X, has Boot Camp, but not very familiar with it. Although he does use Word... Is willing to consider running something PC-side, but he much more comfortable with the Mac environment. He is desperate for voice recognition. What are your suggestions??? Many thanks in advance to one and all! Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tdd) From ea at emptech.info Wed Sep 26 15:47:41 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac In-Reply-To: <6e0d34c90709261301t6637f83yc01c7e09bc832f0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e0d34c90709261301t6637f83yc01c7e09bc832f0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006601c8008f$3f49e5b0$0a01a8c0@laptop> Have you heard of iListen http://www.macspeech.com/ it may be worth a go - I have used it with one student and although it does not have all the features of Dragon Naturally Preferred and does not work in all applications it has improved in its recognition rates in recent times. Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab ECS, University of Southampton Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:01 PM To: Athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac Hi all! OK - here it is - I'm not familiar with AT for the Mac. I admit it. Hard to believe that I've not had students asking me until now. But just today, I've had a student in my office to discuss options. So, of course, I come to you, this oh-so-wise group, to gain knowledge and understanding. Student is running Mac OS X, has Boot Camp, but not very familiar with it. Although he does use Word... Is willing to consider running something PC-side, but he much more comfortable with the Mac environment. He is desperate for voice recognition. What are your suggestions??? Many thanks in advance to one and all! Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tdd) _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1029 - Release Date: 24/09/2007 19:09 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1029 - Release Date: 24/09/2007 19:09 From gdietrich at htctu.net Wed Sep 26 15:58:46 2007 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac In-Reply-To: <006601c8008f$3f49e5b0$0a01a8c0@laptop> References: <6e0d34c90709261301t6637f83yc01c7e09bc832f0e@mail.gmail.com> <006601c8008f$3f49e5b0$0a01a8c0@laptop> Message-ID: <006e01c80090$cc0a5920$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> I just researched this information for a friend, and here is what I discovered. Which voice recognition software to use for the Mac appears to comes down to which version of the Mac OS you have. If you have OS X 10.3 or older (10.1, 10.2, 10.3) then you need ViaVoice. If you have OS X 10.4 or newer then you need iListen. If anyone knows something different, please let me know, but this seems to be the breakdown for the two... ViaVoice Mac OS X version 10.1, 10.2 and 10.3 300 MHz G3 processor or higher* 192 MB RAM (256 RAM recommended) 600 MB of available hard drive space USB port Audio output jack or USB speakers CD-ROM drive or DVD drive Macintosh Computer Requirements G3 and G4 Macintosh computers which support the system requirements noted above*. Note to Mac OS X - Unix File System (UFS) users: IBM ViaVoice for Mac OS X has been designed to take advantage of the Extended File System, also known as HFS+. Installation of IBM ViaVoice for Mac OS X in a UFS volume is not supported. iListen Mac OS X 10.3.9 or newer (Mac OS 10.4 or later recommended). G4, G5 or Intel, (G5 or Intel recommended). 512MB RAM. MacSpeech certified microphone required to receive technical support. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:48 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac Have you heard of iListen http://www.macspeech.com/ it may be worth a go - I have used it with one student and although it does not have all the features of Dragon Naturally Preferred and does not work in all applications it has improved in its recognition rates in recent times. Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab ECS, University of Southampton Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:01 PM To: Athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac Hi all! OK - here it is - I'm not familiar with AT for the Mac. I admit it. Hard to believe that I've not had students asking me until now. But just today, I've had a student in my office to discuss options. So, of course, I come to you, this oh-so-wise group, to gain knowledge and understanding. Student is running Mac OS X, has Boot Camp, but not very familiar with it. Although he does use Word... Is willing to consider running something PC-side, but he much more comfortable with the Mac environment. He is desperate for voice recognition. What are your suggestions??? Many thanks in advance to one and all! Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tdd) _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1029 - Release Date: 24/09/2007 19:09 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1029 - Release Date: 24/09/2007 19:09 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From normajean.brand at hccs.edu Wed Sep 26 16:22:58 2007 From: normajean.brand at hccs.edu (normajean.brand) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac In-Reply-To: <006e01c80090$cc0a5920$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <6e0d34c90709261301t6637f83yc01c7e09bc832f0e@mail.gmail.com><006601c8008f$3f49e5b0$0a01a8c0@laptop> <006e01c80090$cc0a5920$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: Nuance used to be ScanSoft... The same people who publish/sell Dragon. PDF Converter and OmniPage also vendor IBM's ViaVoice for both PC and Mac. http://www.nuance.com/viavoice/osx/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://nwc.hccs.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From hascherdss at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 16:27:34 2007 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac In-Reply-To: References: <6e0d34c90709261301t6637f83yc01c7e09bc832f0e@mail.gmail.com> <006601c8008f$3f49e5b0$0a01a8c0@laptop> <006e01c80090$cc0a5920$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <6e0d34c90709261627v20b49e18p5bea5d29521b8e62@mail.gmail.com> Thanks so much everyone! The student and I looked at iListen while he was in my office. I think that may be the route he's going to try. But I wanted to see if there was anything I missed. Thanks for the input everyone! Heidi On 9/26/07, normajean.brand wrote: > Nuance used to be ScanSoft... The same people who publish/sell Dragon. > PDF Converter and OmniPage also vendor IBM's ViaVoice for both PC and > Mac. > > http://www.nuance.com/viavoice/osx/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > NJ Brand > Houston Community College-NW > Technical Support and Innovation Center > Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant > Town and Country Square Campus > MC 1379 Room RC13 > 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. > Houston TX 77043 > VM/Office: 713.718.5604 > FAX: 713.718.5430 > Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu > http://nwc.hccs.edu > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Thu Sep 27 06:49:28 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac In-Reply-To: <6e0d34c90709261627v20b49e18p5bea5d29521b8e62@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e0d34c90709261301t6637f83yc01c7e09bc832f0e@mail.gmail.com> <006601c8008f$3f49e5b0$0a01a8c0@laptop> <006e01c80090$cc0a5920$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <6e0d34c90709261627v20b49e18p5bea5d29521b8e62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <011b01c8010d$4a28f560$de7ae020$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> I played with iListen quite a bit working with a student a while back. I would consider it the only viable option currently for the mac. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:28 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac Thanks so much everyone! The student and I looked at iListen while he was in my office. I think that may be the route he's going to try. But I wanted to see if there was anything I missed. Thanks for the input everyone! Heidi On 9/26/07, normajean.brand wrote: > Nuance used to be ScanSoft... The same people who publish/sell Dragon. > PDF Converter and OmniPage also vendor IBM's ViaVoice for both PC and > Mac. > > http://www.nuance.com/viavoice/osx/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > NJ Brand > Houston Community College-NW > Technical Support and Innovation Center > Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant > Town and Country Square Campus > MC 1379 Room RC13 > 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. > Houston TX 77043 > VM/Office: 713.718.5604 > FAX: 713.718.5430 > Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu > http://nwc.hccs.edu > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From normajean.brand at hccs.edu Thu Sep 27 08:17:46 2007 From: normajean.brand at hccs.edu (normajean.brand) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac In-Reply-To: <011b01c8010d$4a28f560$de7ae020$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <6e0d34c90709261301t6637f83yc01c7e09bc832f0e@mail.gmail.com> <006601c8008f$3f49e5b0$0a01a8c0@laptop> <006e01c80090$cc0a5920$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <6e0d34c90709261627v20b49e18p5bea5d29521b8e62@mail.gmail.com> <011b01c8010d$4a28f560$de7ae020$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ron! I will make note of that for when all this chaos here plays out and I end up with all Macs. NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://nwc.hccs.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:49 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac I played with iListen quite a bit working with a student a while back. I would consider it the only viable option currently for the mac. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:28 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac Thanks so much everyone! The student and I looked at iListen while he was in my office. I think that may be the route he's going to try. But I wanted to see if there was anything I missed. Thanks for the input everyone! Heidi On 9/26/07, normajean.brand wrote: > Nuance used to be ScanSoft... The same people who publish/sell Dragon. > PDF Converter and OmniPage also vendor IBM's ViaVoice for both PC and > Mac. > > http://www.nuance.com/viavoice/osx/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > NJ Brand > Houston Community College-NW > Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology > Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 > Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. > Houston TX 77043 > VM/Office: 713.718.5604 > FAX: 713.718.5430 > Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu > http://nwc.hccs.edu > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Thu Sep 27 08:25:51 2007 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac In-Reply-To: References: <6e0d34c90709261301t6637f83yc01c7e09bc832f0e@mail.gmail.com> <006601c8008f$3f49e5b0$0a01a8c0@laptop> <006e01c80090$cc0a5920$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <6e0d34c90709261627v20b49e18p5bea5d29521b8e62@mail.gmail.com> <011b01c8010d$4a28f560$de7ae020$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <018b01c8011a$b14f97a0$13eec6e0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> :) Sometimes you just have to go with the flow, at this moment I am picturing an very red faced Dean at a school that will remain nameless. I belive it was a response to my comment: "but you cant do that!" It does not help when the folks selling the equipment to the College also tell them that it is fully accessible, you just use the built in Accessibility Features. Just make sure you document everything. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of normajean.brand Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:18 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac Thanks Ron! I will make note of that for when all this chaos here plays out and I end up with all Macs. NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://nwc.hccs.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:49 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac I played with iListen quite a bit working with a student a while back. I would consider it the only viable option currently for the mac. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:28 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac Thanks so much everyone! The student and I looked at iListen while he was in my office. I think that may be the route he's going to try. But I wanted to see if there was anything I missed. Thanks for the input everyone! Heidi On 9/26/07, normajean.brand wrote: > Nuance used to be ScanSoft... The same people who publish/sell Dragon. > PDF Converter and OmniPage also vendor IBM's ViaVoice for both PC and > Mac. > > http://www.nuance.com/viavoice/osx/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > NJ Brand > Houston Community College-NW > Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology > Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 > Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. > Houston TX 77043 > VM/Office: 713.718.5604 > FAX: 713.718.5430 > Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu > http://nwc.hccs.edu > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From tft at u.washington.edu Thu Sep 27 11:51:00 2007 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible electronic library systems Message-ID: <200709271851.l8RIp0ZC027818@smtp.washington.edu> Hi All, I'm curious whether anyone has innovative approaches to share regarding their libraries delivering electronic documents in an accessible format. >From my experience, it seems that electronic reserves, interlibrary loan, and other electronic document delivery systems are all high-volume production systems that typically distribute everything as image PDF's. The best models I've seen for accessibility provide a well-publicized turnaround time for converting these materials to an accessible format on request, but these turnaround times aren't quick enough when professors are putting impromptu reading assignments up on e-reserve on the day of class. Anyone know of libraries that have taken exemplary steps toward addressing this problem? If not, what would be the ultimate best practice from your perspective? Is anyone optimistic that *all* documents in such a system could be accessible? Thanks, Terry Terry Thompson Technology Specialist, DO-IT University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 http://www.washington.edu/doit From thaven at hawaii.edu Thu Sep 27 16:56:17 2007 From: thaven at hawaii.edu (Teresa LW Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket Message-ID: <004901c80161$fe9740c0$0c71ab80@KOKUAAT> Has anyone out there had the opportunity to work with MobileSpeak Pocket: http://www.codefactory.es/mobile_speak_pocket/mspeak_pocket.htm Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Haven Access Technology Specialist KOKUA Program University of Hawai'i Manoa +++++++++++++++++++++++ From terrih at asu.edu Thu Sep 27 17:02:24 2007 From: terrih at asu.edu (Terri Hedgpeth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket In-Reply-To: <004901c80161$fe9740c0$0c71ab80@KOKUAAT> Message-ID: <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC05ED8F96@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Yes, it's a great program. I used it on my pda phone for more than year. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa LW Haven Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 4:56 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket Has anyone out there had the opportunity to work with MobileSpeak Pocket: http://www.codefactory.es/mobile_speak_pocket/mspeak_pocket.htm Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Haven Access Technology Specialist KOKUA Program University of Hawai'i Manoa +++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From rbeach at kckcc.edu Fri Sep 28 05:37:15 2007 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket In-Reply-To: <004901c80161$fe9740c0$0c71ab80@KOKUAAT> References: <004901c80161$fe9740c0$0c71ab80@KOKUAAT> Message-ID: <46FCAF2B020000CF0000233C@mymail.kckcc.edu> I haven't used it myself, but my friend has it and really likes it. From what I'm hearing from him, I will probably go that route with my next phone. I'm currently using Talks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> Teresa LW Haven 9/27/2007 6:56 PM >>> Has anyone out there had the opportunity to work with MobileSpeak Pocket: http://www.codefactory.es/mobile_speak_pocket/mspeak_pocket.htm Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Haven Access Technology Specialist KOKUA Program University of Hawai'i Manoa +++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron at ahead.org Fri Sep 28 07:18:12 2007 From: ron at ahead.org (ron@ahead.org) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket In-Reply-To: <004901c80161$fe9740c0$0c71ab80@KOKUAAT> References: <004901c80161$fe9740c0$0c71ab80@KOKUAAT> Message-ID: <005401c801da$672deb20$3589c160$@org> There are basically three different commercial products in this category depending on the type of device you are using. Talks is for symbian phones, http://www.nuance.com/talks/ MobileSpeak has versions for symbian based phones, smart phones and PDA's: http://www.codefactory.es/products.htm Dolphin has SmartHal for smart phones and PocketHal for PDA's: http://yourdolphin.com/products.asp?cat=8 You need to be very carefull in buying the packages for the smart phones and PDA's to insure that your equipment is compatible with the software. Make sure that the software has actually been tested with the cellular device, often devices that are of the same model but rebranded by the various resellers have differing issues due to their proprietary implimentations of the Cell OS. At this point the only software that is being bunded with cellular devices is Talks. AT&T has been making a lot of marketing noise about their efforts but as of last week you still could not buy a bundle on a contract. There are some good reviews in AccessWorld on these various flavors: http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw080502 http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw080503 http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw080505 And a nice overview of Personal Notetakers to round out the discussion: http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw080504 Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa LW Haven Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:56 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket Has anyone out there had the opportunity to work with MobileSpeak Pocket: http://www.codefactory.es/mobile_speak_pocket/mspeak_pocket.htm Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Haven Access Technology Specialist KOKUA Program University of Hawai'i Manoa +++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From johumber at iupui.edu Fri Sep 28 07:26:12 2007 From: johumber at iupui.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] line 21 captions and transfering from VHS to DVD Message-ID: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF04D7E4F7@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> Hi! I got a question from a techie at the library. He asked if there was video production software out there that could read the line 21 captions off of VHS and apply them to a DVD? Currently they are using a decoder in between, but it is not an easy process. Thankx. Joe Humbert Assistive Technology Specialist Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis (IUPUI) Office: IT 214E Email: johumber@iupui.edu Phone: 317-274-4378 Cell: 847-431-6545 AIM:ATCIUPUI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terrih at asu.edu Fri Sep 28 09:23:39 2007 From: terrih at asu.edu (Terri Hedgpeth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket In-Reply-To: <46FCAF2B020000CF0000233C@mymail.kckcc.edu> Message-ID: <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC05ED90D4@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Robert, I think you'll like the MSP product. Code Factory has excellent support and they don't charge for updates. The Code Factory MSP list serve is very helpful for new and old users alike. There isn't as much concern with compatibility with the different Windows Mobile PDA phones as there is with Symbian. You can download and install a full MSP trial for 30 days absolutely free, which gives you time to decide if you like it. Also the MSP free trial is specifically tied to the device you load it on, so you can find out right away if the device is compatible and return it if you wish. Then you can get another device and start a new 30 day trial of MSP. Good luck, Terri Dr. Terri Hedgpeth Academic Research Professional CUbiC #376, iCare (480) 727-8133 V (480) 965-1885 Fax CUbiC.asu.edu http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:37 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket I haven't used it myself, but my friend has it and really likes it. >From what I'm hearing from him, I will probably go that route with my next phone. I'm currently using Talks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> Teresa LW Haven 9/27/2007 6:56 PM >>> Has anyone out there had the opportunity to work with MobileSpeak Pocket: http://www.codefactory.es/mobile_speak_pocket/mspeak_pocket.htm Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Haven Access Technology Specialist KOKUA Program University of Hawai'i Manoa +++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From rbeach at kckcc.edu Fri Sep 28 09:38:13 2007 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket In-Reply-To: <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC05ED90D4@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> References: <46FCAF2B020000CF0000233C@mymail.kckcc.edu> <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC05ED90D4@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <46FCE7A5020000CF000023A6@mymail.kckcc.edu> It certainly sounds like a good product. I just need to find out what phones my service offers that will work with the software. My friend uses the same provider, but in a different state. I'm sure I can find a phone that will work. Thanks for the info. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> "Terri Hedgpeth" 9/28/2007 11:23 AM >>> Robert, I think you'll like the MSP product. Code Factory has excellent support and they don't charge for updates. The Code Factory MSP list serve is very helpful for new and old users alike. There isn't as much concern with compatibility with the different Windows Mobile PDA phones as there is with Symbian. You can download and install a full MSP trial for 30 days absolutely free, which gives you time to decide if you like it. Also the MSP free trial is specifically tied to the device you load it on, so you can find out right away if the device is compatible and return it if you wish. Then you can get another device and start a new 30 day trial of MSP. Good luck, Terri Dr. Terri Hedgpeth Academic Research Professional CUbiC #376, iCare (480) 727-8133 V (480) 965-1885 Fax CUbiC.asu.edu http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:37 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket I haven't used it myself, but my friend has it and really likes it. >From what I'm hearing from him, I will probably go that route with my next phone. I'm currently using Talks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> Teresa LW Haven 9/27/2007 6:56 PM >>> Has anyone out there had the opportunity to work with MobileSpeak Pocket: http://www.codefactory.es/mobile_speak_pocket/mspeak_pocket.htm Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Haven Access Technology Specialist KOKUA Program University of Hawai'i Manoa +++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From terrih at asu.edu Fri Sep 28 10:04:20 2007 From: terrih at asu.edu (Terri Hedgpeth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket In-Reply-To: <46FCE7A5020000CF000023A6@mymail.kckcc.edu> Message-ID: <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC05ED910A@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Robert, almost all the PDA phones that the different providers sell today will work. You could go into their store and see which one you like and check it out on the Code Factory site. Dr. Terri Hedgpeth Academic Research Professional CUbiC #376, iCare (480) 727-8133 V (480) 965-1885 Fax CUbiC.asu.edu http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:38 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket It certainly sounds like a good product. I just need to find out what phones my service offers that will work with the software. My friend uses the same provider, but in a different state. I'm sure I can find a phone that will work. Thanks for the info. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> "Terri Hedgpeth" 9/28/2007 11:23 AM >>> Robert, I think you'll like the MSP product. Code Factory has excellent support and they don't charge for updates. The Code Factory MSP list serve is very helpful for new and old users alike. There isn't as much concern with compatibility with the different Windows Mobile PDA phones as there is with Symbian. You can download and install a full MSP trial for 30 days absolutely free, which gives you time to decide if you like it. Also the MSP free trial is specifically tied to the device you load it on, so you can find out right away if the device is compatible and return it if you wish. Then you can get another device and start a new 30 day trial of MSP. Good luck, Terri Dr. Terri Hedgpeth Academic Research Professional CUbiC #376, iCare (480) 727-8133 V (480) 965-1885 Fax CUbiC.asu.edu http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:37 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket I haven't used it myself, but my friend has it and really likes it. >From what I'm hearing from him, I will probably go that route with my next phone. I'm currently using Talks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> Teresa LW Haven 9/27/2007 6:56 PM >>> Has anyone out there had the opportunity to work with MobileSpeak Pocket: http://www.codefactory.es/mobile_speak_pocket/mspeak_pocket.htm Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Haven Access Technology Specialist KOKUA Program University of Hawai'i Manoa +++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From rbeach at kckcc.edu Fri Sep 28 10:15:12 2007 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket In-Reply-To: <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC05ED910A@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> References: <46FCE7A5020000CF000023A6@mymail.kckcc.edu> <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC05ED910A@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <46FCF050020000CF000023BA@mymail.kckcc.edu> Yes, that what I plan to do. In fact, my parents are needing to upgrade their phones and want me to go with them to check out the phones. I'll probably do a little shopping of my own then. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> "Terri Hedgpeth" 9/28/2007 12:04 PM >>> Robert, almost all the PDA phones that the different providers sell today will work. You could go into their store and see which one you like and check it out on the Code Factory site. Dr. Terri Hedgpeth Academic Research Professional CUbiC #376, iCare (480) 727-8133 V (480) 965-1885 Fax CUbiC.asu.edu http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:38 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket It certainly sounds like a good product. I just need to find out what phones my service offers that will work with the software. My friend uses the same provider, but in a different state. I'm sure I can find a phone that will work. Thanks for the info. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> "Terri Hedgpeth" 9/28/2007 11:23 AM >>> Robert, I think you'll like the MSP product. Code Factory has excellent support and they don't charge for updates. The Code Factory MSP list serve is very helpful for new and old users alike. There isn't as much concern with compatibility with the different Windows Mobile PDA phones as there is with Symbian. You can download and install a full MSP trial for 30 days absolutely free, which gives you time to decide if you like it. Also the MSP free trial is specifically tied to the device you load it on, so you can find out right away if the device is compatible and return it if you wish. Then you can get another device and start a new 30 day trial of MSP. Good luck, Terri Dr. Terri Hedgpeth Academic Research Professional CUbiC #376, iCare (480) 727-8133 V (480) 965-1885 Fax CUbiC.asu.edu http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:37 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket I haven't used it myself, but my friend has it and really likes it. >From what I'm hearing from him, I will probably go that route with my next phone. I'm currently using Talks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> Teresa LW Haven 9/27/2007 6:56 PM >>> Has anyone out there had the opportunity to work with MobileSpeak Pocket: http://www.codefactory.es/mobile_speak_pocket/mspeak_pocket.htm Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Haven Access Technology Specialist KOKUA Program University of Hawai'i Manoa +++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From jjohnson at htctu.net Fri Sep 28 11:08:49 2007 From: jjohnson at htctu.net (Jayme Johnson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] line 21 captions and transfering from VHS to DVD In-Reply-To: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF04D7E4F7@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> References: <68376C7215E47C4BAE6271B0AA82C9FF04D7E4F7@iu-mssg-mbx105.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <003601c801fa$9f686590$9b821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hey Joe, I don't know of any software that can grab line 21 information by itself. The ability to capture line 21 information starts in the analog to digital converter, either in a video capture card, or a dedicated USB or Firewire peripheral device such as the Sony Media Converter. A lot of the analog to digital converters don't pick this information up, as they are primarily interested in making the picture look as pretty as possible, which doesn't require capturing all the interlaced analog information that includes the line 21 data. Even so, the line 21 information typically remains bundled up in the video signal (or file). As far as I know, isolating the line 21 information as a discrete file is only possible with a combination of caption encoder and captioning software like CPC 700HD, Rapid Caption, MacCaption, etc. However, there is a solution for going straight from any VHS deck to any DVD recording deck, the Archiver II from Firebird systems- but it is important to note that it doesn't have any digital connectivity to hook up a computer, it is only for use between media recording devices. For an all in one solution, get a Philips DVDR600VR combo deck, it will transfer captioned VHS tapes to DVD with a simple button push. It doesn't get much easier than that... Hope this helps, and good luck! 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You could go into their store and see which one you >like and check it out on the Code Factory site. > > >Dr. Terri Hedgpeth >Academic Research Professional >CUbiC #376, iCare >(480) 727-8133 V >(480) 965-1885 Fax >CUbiC.asu.edu >http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ > > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Robert Beach >Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:38 AM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: Re: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket > >It certainly sounds like a good product. I just need to find out what >phones my service offers that will work with the software. My friend >uses the same provider, but in a different state. I'm sure I can find a >phone that will work. > >Thanks for the info. > > > >Robert Lee Beach >Assistive Technology Specialist >Kansas City Kansas Community College >7250 State Avenue >Kansas City, KS 66112 >Phone: (913) 288-7671 >Fax: (913) 288-7678 >E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > >>> "Terri Hedgpeth" 9/28/2007 11:23 AM >>> >Robert, I think you'll like the MSP product. Code Factory has excellent >support and they don't charge for updates. The Code Factory MSP list >serve is very helpful for new and old users alike. >There isn't as much concern with compatibility with the different >Windows Mobile PDA phones as there is with Symbian. You can download and >install a full MSP trial for 30 days absolutely free, which gives you >time to decide if you like it. Also the MSP free trial is specifically >tied to the device you load it on, so you can find out right away if the >device is compatible and return it if you wish. Then you can get another >device and start a new 30 day trial of MSP. > >Good luck, >Terri > > >Dr. Terri Hedgpeth >Academic Research Professional >CUbiC #376, iCare >(480) 727-8133 V >(480) 965-1885 Fax >CUbiC.asu.edu >http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ > > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Robert Beach >Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:37 AM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket > >I haven't used it myself, but my friend has it and really likes it. > >From what I'm hearing from him, I will probably go that route with my >next phone. I'm currently using Talks. > > > >Robert Lee Beach >Assistive Technology Specialist >Kansas City Kansas Community College >7250 State Avenue >Kansas City, KS 66112 >Phone: (913) 288-7671 >Fax: (913) 288-7678 >E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > >>> Teresa LW Haven 9/27/2007 6:56 PM >>> >Has anyone out there had the opportunity to work with MobileSpeak >Pocket: >http://www.codefactory.es/mobile_speak_pocket/mspeak_pocket.htm > >Teresa > >+++++++++++++++++++++++ >Teresa Haven >Access Technology Specialist >KOKUA Program >University of Hawai'i Manoa >+++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ---------- ---------- -------- EASI Events for October: Webinar 4-part Series: Blogs, Wikis and Accessibility (starting Oct. 11) Read more and register at easi.cc/clinic.htm Month-long Online Course: Barrier-free Web Design Read more and register at http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs CEO EASI (www.easi.cc) (949) 855-4852 Pacific time zone) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sarah.horton at Dartmouth.EDU Fri Sep 28 13:12:55 2007 From: sarah.horton at Dartmouth.EDU (Sarah Horton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] World Usability Day New England - Open for Registration Message-ID: <12832F15-BB83-4078-9492-51C1A62C0CCC@dartmouth.edu> Please excuse cross-postings! Greetings! We are now accepting registrations for the Third Annual World Usability Day New England conference, to be held on November 8, 2007 at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire, USA. We had a great response to our request for proposals, and are pleased to announce the program line up: Keynote - The New Science of Universal Usability ? Ben Shneiderman, University of Maryland at College Park Track 1: Teaching and Learning - Universal Design in Instruction: Moving Beyond Accessibility into Classroom Application ? Manju Banerjee, University of Connecticut and Loring C. Brinckerhoff, Educational Testing Service - Making E-learning Usable at The Hadley School for the Blind ? Michael C. Rydel and Andre Lukatsky, Hadley School for the Blind Track 2: Web Usability - Universal Usability of Dynamic Content ? Marguerite Bergel and Ann Chadwick?Dias, Fidelity Investments - Adaptive Design for Web Environments ? Sarah Horton, Dartmouth College and Patrick J. Lynch, Yale University In addition, we will have a poster and demo session featuring technologies and methodologies that support universal usability, followed by a student panel, where learners share their experiences as beneficiaries of universal usability. We will conclude the day with a roundtable discussion on Design, Creativity, Learning, and Usability, led by Steve Fadden from Landmark College. The conference registration fee is $60, which includes meals and refreshments. You may pay by check or online using Google Checkout. Register online at http://www.dartmouth.edu/~wud/. Don?t delay as space is limited! Please contact Sarah Horton at sarah.horton@dartmouth.edu or 603 646-1087 with any questions or concerns. Best regards, Sarah Horton, Susan Fliss, and Larry Cusick Dartmouth College www.dartmouth.edu Steve Fadden, Julie Strothman, and Stephanie Kreseen Landmark College www.landmark.edu WUDNE 2007 Third Annual World Usability Day New England Universal Usability in Teaching and Learning Dartmouth College Hanover, New Hampshire, USA November 8, 2007 9:00am ? 4:00pm www.dartmouth.edu/~wud From rbeach at kckcc.edu Fri Sep 28 13:24:26 2007 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20070928124457.03ca9e60@pop.gmail.com> References: <46FCE7A5020000CF000023A6@mymail.kckcc.edu> <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC05ED910A@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu><6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC05ED910A@EX04.asurite.ad.a su.edu> <6.0.3.0.2.20070928124457.03ca9e60@pop.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FD1CAA020000CF00002416@mymail.kckcc.edu> Norm, I've been using a Nokia 6620 with the Talks software for around 3 years now. I'd be happy to talk about that if it will help. Just let me know. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> Prof Norm Coombs 9/28/2007 2:45 PM >>> Hi: I would like to find 1 or more people who would help EASI with an hour live Webinar discussing access to mobile phones. Could I interest you in this? Norm At 10:04 AM 9/28/2007, you wrote: >Robert, almost all the PDA phones that the different providers sell >today will work. You could go into their store and see which one you >like and check it out on the Code Factory site. > > >Dr. Terri Hedgpeth >Academic Research Professional >CUbiC #376, iCare >(480) 727-8133 V >(480) 965-1885 Fax >CUbiC.asu.edu >http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ > > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Robert Beach >Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:38 AM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: Re: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket > >It certainly sounds like a good product. I just need to find out what >phones my service offers that will work with the software. My friend >uses the same provider, but in a different state. I'm sure I can find a >phone that will work. > >Thanks for the info. > > > >Robert Lee Beach >Assistive Technology Specialist >Kansas City Kansas Community College >7250 State Avenue >Kansas City, KS 66112 >Phone: (913) 288-7671 >Fax: (913) 288-7678 >E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > >>> "Terri Hedgpeth" 9/28/2007 11:23 AM >>> >Robert, I think you'll like the MSP product. Code Factory has excellent >support and they don't charge for updates. The Code Factory MSP list >serve is very helpful for new and old users alike. >There isn't as much concern with compatibility with the different >Windows Mobile PDA phones as there is with Symbian. You can download and >install a full MSP trial for 30 days absolutely free, which gives you >time to decide if you like it. Also the MSP free trial is specifically >tied to the device you load it on, so you can find out right away if the >device is compatible and return it if you wish. Then you can get another >device and start a new 30 day trial of MSP. > >Good luck, >Terri > > >Dr. Terri Hedgpeth >Academic Research Professional >CUbiC #376, iCare >(480) 727-8133 V >(480) 965-1885 Fax >CUbiC.asu.edu >http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ > > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Robert Beach >Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:37 AM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket > >I haven't used it myself, but my friend has it and really likes it. > >From what I'm hearing from him, I will probably go that route with my >next phone. I'm currently using Talks. > > > >Robert Lee Beach >Assistive Technology Specialist >Kansas City Kansas Community College >7250 State Avenue >Kansas City, KS 66112 >Phone: (913) 288-7671 >Fax: (913) 288-7678 >E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > >>> Teresa LW Haven 9/27/2007 6:56 PM >>> >Has anyone out there had the opportunity to work with MobileSpeak >Pocket: >http://www.codefactory.es/mobile_speak_pocket/mspeak_pocket.htm > >Teresa > >+++++++++++++++++++++++ >Teresa Haven >Access Technology Specialist >KOKUA Program >University of Hawai'i Manoa >+++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ---------- ---------- -------- EASI Events for October: Webinar 4-part Series: Blogs, Wikis and Accessibility (starting Oct. 11) Read more and register at easi.cc/clinic.htm Month-long Online Course: Barrier-free Web Design Read more and register at http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs CEO EASI (www.easi.cc) (949) 855-4852 Pacific time zone) From terrih at asu.edu Fri Sep 28 13:29:00 2007 From: terrih at asu.edu (Terri Hedgpeth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20070928124457.03ca9e60@pop.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6DC38348EDE07642B024AA3CA0AA1BDC05ED9242@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Hello Norm, Absolutely! Anything for you and EASY. Tell me when and where. Dr. Terri Hedgpeth Academic Research Professional CUbiC #376, iCare (480) 727-8133 V (480) 965-1885 Fax CUbiC.asu.edu http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 12:46 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket Hi: I would like to find 1 or more people who would help EASI with an hour live Webinar discussing access to mobile phones. Could I interest you in this? Norm At 10:04 AM 9/28/2007, you wrote: Robert, almost all the PDA phones that the different providers sell today will work. You could go into their store and see which one you like and check it out on the Code Factory site. Dr. Terri Hedgpeth Academic Research Professional CUbiC #376, iCare (480) 727-8133 V (480) 965-1885 Fax CUbiC.asu.edu http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:38 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket It certainly sounds like a good product. I just need to find out what phones my service offers that will work with the software. My friend uses the same provider, but in a different state. I'm sure I can find a phone that will work. Thanks for the info. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> "Terri Hedgpeth" 9/28/2007 11:23 AM >>> Robert, I think you'll like the MSP product. Code Factory has excellent support and they don't charge for updates. The Code Factory MSP list serve is very helpful for new and old users alike. There isn't as much concern with compatibility with the different Windows Mobile PDA phones as there is with Symbian. You can download and install a full MSP trial for 30 days absolutely free, which gives you time to decide if you like it. Also the MSP free trial is specifically tied to the device you load it on, so you can find out right away if the device is compatible and return it if you wish. Then you can get another device and start a new 30 day trial of MSP. Good luck, Terri Dr. Terri Hedgpeth Academic Research Professional CUbiC #376, iCare (480) 727-8133 V (480) 965-1885 Fax CUbiC.asu.edu http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:37 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket I haven't used it myself, but my friend has it and really likes it. >From what I'm hearing from him, I will probably go that route with my next phone. I'm currently using Talks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> Teresa LW Haven 9/27/2007 6:56 PM >>> Has anyone out there had the opportunity to work with MobileSpeak Pocket: http://www.codefactory.es/mobile_speak_pocket/mspeak_pocket.htm Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Haven Access Technology Specialist KOKUA Program University of Hawai'i Manoa +++++++++++++++++++++++ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ---------- ---------- -------- EASI Events for October: Webinar 4-part Series: Blogs, Wikis and Accessibility (starting Oct. 11) Read more and register at easi.cc/clinic.htm Month-long Online Course: Barrier-free Web Design Read more and register at http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs CEO EASI (www.easi.cc ) (949) 855-4852 Pacific time zone) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 4:24 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket Norm, I've been using a Nokia 6620 with the Talks software for around 3 years now. I'd be happy to talk about that if it will help. Just let me know. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> Prof Norm Coombs 9/28/2007 2:45 PM >>> Hi: I would like to find 1 or more people who would help EASI with an hour live Webinar discussing access to mobile phones. Could I interest you in this? Norm At 10:04 AM 9/28/2007, you wrote: >Robert, almost all the PDA phones that the different providers sell >today will work. You could go into their store and see which one you >like and check it out on the Code Factory site. > > >Dr. Terri Hedgpeth >Academic Research Professional >CUbiC #376, iCare >(480) 727-8133 V >(480) 965-1885 Fax >CUbiC.asu.edu >http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ > > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Robert Beach >Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:38 AM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: Re: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket > >It certainly sounds like a good product. I just need to find out what >phones my service offers that will work with the software. My friend >uses the same provider, but in a different state. I'm sure I can find a >phone that will work. > >Thanks for the info. > > > >Robert Lee Beach >Assistive Technology Specialist >Kansas City Kansas Community College >7250 State Avenue >Kansas City, KS 66112 >Phone: (913) 288-7671 >Fax: (913) 288-7678 >E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > >>> "Terri Hedgpeth" 9/28/2007 11:23 AM >>> >Robert, I think you'll like the MSP product. Code Factory has excellent >support and they don't charge for updates. The Code Factory MSP list >serve is very helpful for new and old users alike. >There isn't as much concern with compatibility with the different >Windows Mobile PDA phones as there is with Symbian. You can download and >install a full MSP trial for 30 days absolutely free, which gives you >time to decide if you like it. Also the MSP free trial is specifically >tied to the device you load it on, so you can find out right away if the >device is compatible and return it if you wish. Then you can get another >device and start a new 30 day trial of MSP. > >Good luck, >Terri > > >Dr. Terri Hedgpeth >Academic Research Professional >CUbiC #376, iCare >(480) 727-8133 V >(480) 965-1885 Fax >CUbiC.asu.edu >http://www.fulton.asu.edu/fulton/ > > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Robert Beach >Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 5:37 AM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] MobileSpeak Pocket > >I haven't used it myself, but my friend has it and really likes it. > >From what I'm hearing from him, I will probably go that route with my >next phone. I'm currently using Talks. > > > >Robert Lee Beach >Assistive Technology Specialist >Kansas City Kansas Community College >7250 State Avenue >Kansas City, KS 66112 >Phone: (913) 288-7671 >Fax: (913) 288-7678 >E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > >>> Teresa LW Haven 9/27/2007 6:56 PM >>> >Has anyone out there had the opportunity to work with MobileSpeak >Pocket: >http://www.codefactory.es/mobile_speak_pocket/mspeak_pocket.htm > >Teresa > >+++++++++++++++++++++++ >Teresa Haven >Access Technology Specialist >KOKUA Program >University of Hawai'i Manoa >+++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ---------- ---------- -------- EASI Events for October: Webinar 4-part Series: Blogs, Wikis and Accessibility (starting Oct. 11) Read more and register at easi.cc/clinic.htm Month-long Online Course: Barrier-free Web Design Read more and register at http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs CEO EASI (www.easi.cc) (949) 855-4852 Pacific time zone) _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From norm.coombs at gmail.com Fri Sep 28 15:01:32 2007 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fabulous Presentation In-Reply-To: <002701c7fc9c$ae6d39c0$0b47ad40$@org> References: <001201c7fbf0$0cd16200$6400a8c0@porch> <002301c7fc7f$0e647820$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <002701c7fc9c$ae6d39c0$0b47ad40$@org> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20070928145810.03cb90a0@pop.gmail.com> Ron: I already heard early this morning how good the presentation was while I was talking on the phone with a woman in Toronto. I have phoned Dick and we are going to put a link to the recording on our home page and leave it there for a while. In November we will do 2 presentations about different DAISY players. I hope then to get someone from NLS to talk about their coming e-text books. (I am part of their pilot project). Then I may get some other places to do other follow ups. Probably RFB&D, Bookshare, maybe California colleges and if you have others to suggest, that would be good. Be nice to have a running series for 3-4 months. Norm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 6:02 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Fabulous Presentation Ron: I already heard early this morning how good the presentation was while I was talking on the phone with a woman in Toronto. I have phoned Dick and we are going to put a link to the recording on our home page and leave it there for a while. In November we will do 2 presentations about different DAISY players. I hope then to get someone from NLS to talk about their coming e-text books. (I am part of their pilot project). Then I may get some other places to do other follow ups. Probably RFB&D, Bookshare, maybe California colleges and if you have others to suggest, that would be good. Be nice to have a running series for 3-4 months. Norm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know that since this line of devices has received a lot of attention that there are more options for docking stations, remotes etc,, but I just thought I would toss it out there to see if anyone is concentrating on other devices that can be plugged in to most any computer for file transfer, cataloging, playback without all the hassle iPods require.. Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR/L _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: September 28, 2007 5:02 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Fabulous Presentation Ron: I already heard early this morning how good the presentation was while I was talking on the phone with a woman in Toronto. I have phoned Dick and we are going to put a link to the recording on our home page and leave it there for a while. In November we will do 2 presentations about different DAISY players. I hope then to get someone from NLS to talk about their coming e-text books. (I am part of their pilot project). Then I may get some other places to do other follow ups. Probably RFB&D, Bookshare, maybe California colleges and if you have others to suggest, that would be good. Be nice to have a running series for 3-4 months. Norm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ea at emptech.info Sat Sep 29 02:29:14 2007 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fabulous Presentation In-Reply-To: <001001c80250$67b36b30$6400a8c0@porch> References: <001201c7fbf0$0cd16200$6400a8c0@porch><002301c7fc7f$0e647820$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu><002701c7fc9c$ae6d39c0$0b47ad40$@org><6.0.3.0.2.20070928145810.03cb90a0@pop.gmail.com> <001001c80250$67b36b30$6400a8c0@porch> Message-ID: <003401c8027b$337bbf40$0a01a8c0@laptop> My trusty but not so sexy Olympus DS-40 digital recorder (with tactile buttons and bleeps or voice feedback for all actions) plays MP3 and WMA files but also streams podcasts and audio and is being supplied to many students in UK. It may not look so cool but the USB connection is simple and you can open the folder direct in file manager on a Windows PC or use their DSS player. The is a review on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Olympus-DS40-Digital-Voice-Recorder/dp/B000MVBHRW Apparently for Mac users if you download flip4mac (freeware) it will open the wma files in Quicktime or you can convert them and play them in iTunes. Best wishes E.A. ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Phillip Goodman Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 5:23 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Fabulous Presentation Not to be an instigator, or brick of sorts but? It is a wonderful idea to adapt an MP3 device to be switch accessible for any number of reasons education, communication, recreation), but why the iPod? This is one of the few MP3 devices that requires proprietary software to use. It?s not like you can walk up to any computer and transfer files without some issues. I have had to help a small number of clients and (lord knows, my niece) to troubleshoot issues with the iPod devices, and many times loss of files is involved. I know that since this line of devices has received a lot of attention that there are more options for docking stations, remotes etc,, but I just thought I would toss it out there to see if anyone is concentrating on other devices that can be plugged in to most any computer for file transfer, cataloging, playback without all the hassle iPods require?. Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR/L ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: September 28, 2007 5:02 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Fabulous Presentation Ron: I already heard early this morning how good the presentation was while I was talking on the phone with a woman in Toronto. I have phoned Dick and we are going to put a link to the recording on our home page and leave it there for a while. In November we will do 2 presentations about different DAISY players. I hope then to get someone from NLS to talk about their coming e-text books. (I am part of their pilot project). Then I may get some other places to do other follow ups. Probably RFB&D, Bookshare, maybe California colleges and if you have others to suggest, that would be good. Be nice to have a running series for 3-4 months. Norm No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1036 - Release Date: 28/09/2007 15:40 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1036 - Release Date: 28/09/2007 15:40 From rbeach at kckcc.edu Sat Sep 29 04:08:26 2007 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fabulous Presentation Message-ID: <46FDEBDA020000CF0000246B@mymail.kckcc.edu> I didn't get to hear all of Ron's presentation as I was one of the folks who got kicked out at the first (no, I wasn't causing trouble ). However, what I heard was good. Hats off to you Ron and all the work you and others are doing in this regard. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> Prof Norm Coombs 09/28/07 5:01 PM >>> Ron: I already heard early this morning how good the presentation was while I was talking on the phone with a woman in Toronto. I have phoned Dick and we are going to put a link to the recording on our home page and leave it there for a while. In November we will do 2 presentations about different DAISY players. I hope then to get someone from NLS to talk about their coming e-text books. (I am part of their pilot project). Then I may get some other places to do other follow ups. Probably RFB&D, Bookshare, maybe California colleges and if you have others to suggest, that would be good. Be nice to have a running series for 3-4 months. Norm From helen_ostrander at wvm.edu Thu Sep 20 16:48:53 2007 From: helen_ostrander at wvm.edu (Helen Ostrander) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kiosk ADA 508 compliant Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070920164455.02451900@wvmccd.cc.ca.us> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Michael.Bastien at state.co.us Mon Sep 24 14:55:23 2007 From: Michael.Bastien at state.co.us (Michael Bastien) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] AT job position Message-ID: <46F7DDEA.7408.00AE.0@state.co.us> That is correct, all Colorado government jobs require residency (Colorado mailing address) unless a residency waiver has been requested. There must be sufficient evidence in the form of: no qualified applicants to obtain a waiver. Equal opportunity does not apply to residency similarly to university/college residency requirements. Take care, > -----Original Message----- I'm in Missouri, and pretty much all MO Govt jobs require MO residency. I don't think it's that unusual. Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Michael O'Brien > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 8:22 AM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] AT job position > > I thought those laws usually pertained to clerical and > maintenance or law inforcement positions. > > Mike O'Brien, > Hudson Valley Community College, > Troy, NY. _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Michael Bastien, ATP Adaptive Technology Coordinator DVR- Denver Metro Office 2211 West Evans Avenue Denver, CO 80223 (303) 866-3316 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or attorney-client privileged material. 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