From norm.coombs at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 12:50:26 2008 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Are You Connected 24-7???? Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20080202124404.02112eb0@pop.gmail.com> Are You Connected 24-7 When you see someone walking down the street talking to no one, is your first thought that they need to go the nut house or do you conclude that they are deep in conversation on their cell phone using a nearly invisible earphone and mic? Americans seem to have a love/hate relationship with the mobile phone. Some people take them everywhere and are talking to friends, family, businesses and more all day. Others get actually angry when they see someone talking on the cell in a grocery store, in a restaurant and surely while driving! Cell phones have different degrees of accessibility problems for people with disabilities depending on the disability and on the features of the particular phone. However, in recent years, vendors have recognized the problem and have taken initial steps to compensate for their inaccessibility. When is a phone a camera? When is a phone a Web browser? When is a phone a calendar and an address book? Where can you learn about the accessibility problems? Where can you learn about some of the solutions? Where can you obtain a cell phone with accessible features built in it? EASI is presenting a brief live Webinar providing an overview of this topic: Free Webinar Snapshot: Accessible Cell Phones: Wed. Feb. 6 - 2PM EASTERN Presenter: Joel Isaacs Do you have trouble seeing the small icons or text on your phone? Do you have trouble using the small keys? Do you need a phone that speaks its menus? Joel will discuss the results of his research describing which phones work best for which situation. There may be one for you. You can register for this Webinar reserve a seat in the virtual room at: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm This announcement and the webinar are sponsored by EASI (Equal Access to Software and Information) http://easi.cc From dick.banks at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 13:13:40 2008 From: dick.banks at gmail.com (Dick Banks) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Are You Connected 24-7???? In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20080202124404.02112eb0@pop.gmail.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20080202124404.02112eb0@pop.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6441e6a70802021313ha997d49ybdd3c1fb4e4824a7@mail.gmail.com> Wow this is a super add. One of the best ones you have ever done. I really like it. On Feb 2, 2008 2:50 PM, Prof Norm Coombs wrote: > > > Are You Connected 24-7 > > When you see someone walking down the street talking to no one, is your > first thought that they need to go the nut house or do you conclude that > they are deep in conversation on their cell phone using a nearly invisible > earphone and mic? Americans seem to have a love/hate relationship with the > mobile phone. Some people take them everywhere and are talking to friends, > family, businesses and more all day. Others get actually angry when they > see someone talking on the cell in a grocery store, in a restaurant and > surely while driving! > > Cell phones have different degrees of accessibility problems for people > with disabilities depending on the disability and on the features of the > particular phone. However, in recent years, vendors have recognized the > problem and have taken initial steps to compensate for their inaccessibility. > > When is a phone a camera? > When is a phone a Web browser? > When is a phone a calendar and an address book? > > Where can you learn about the accessibility problems? > Where can you learn about some of the solutions? > Where can you obtain a cell phone with accessible features built in it? > > EASI is presenting a brief live Webinar providing an overview of this topic: > Free Webinar Snapshot: Accessible Cell Phones: Wed. Feb. 6 - 2PM EASTERN > Presenter: Joel Isaacs > > Do you have trouble seeing the small icons or text on your phone? Do you > have trouble using the small keys? Do you need a phone that speaks its > menus? Joel will discuss the results of his research describing which > phones work best for which situation. There may be one for you. > > > You can register for this Webinar reserve a seat in the virtual room at: > http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > This announcement and the webinar are sponsored by EASI (Equal Access to > Software and Information) > http://easi.cc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -- Dick Banks CTO - EASI: Equal Access to Software and Information Online Courses Starting Feb. 4 Syllabus for Barrier-free Web Design http://easi.cc/workshops/easiweb.htm From tft at u.washington.edu Mon Feb 4 09:35:27 2008 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Bylaws revision In-Reply-To: <00dd01c85927$f58db2c0$e0a91840$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <200802041735.m14HZRxh002930@smtp.washington.edu> Hi Ron, So we can be thinking about and/or discussing bylaws revisions prior to our meeting in CSUN, what specifically are the "couple of areas" we should be focusing on? Thanks, Terry _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:43 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Bylaws revision Morning all, It has come to my attention that with the growth and development of the organization we need to take a look at our bylaws in a couple of areas. I would like to start a discussion on this topic and have it as an agenda item for our next in person meeting which should be at CSUN. Ron ********************************************************************* Ron Stewart Vice President for Operations Dolphin Computer Access Inc. 231 Clarksville RD Suite 3 Princeton Junction, NJ 08550 Direct: 609 803-2174 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Sales (toll free): 866 797-5921 Support: 866 797-5921 Fax: 609 799-0475 ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com http://www.dolphinusa.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Terry _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:43 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Bylaws revision Morning all, It has come to my attention that with the growth and development of the organization we need to take a look at our bylaws in a couple of areas. I would like to start a discussion on this topic and have it as an agenda item for our next in person meeting which should be at CSUN. Ron ********************************************************************* Ron Stewart Vice President for Operations Dolphin Computer Access Inc. 231 Clarksville RD Suite 3 Princeton Junction, NJ 08550 Direct: 609 803-2174 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Sales (toll free): 866 797-5921 Support: 866 797-5921 Fax: 609 799-0475 ron.stewart@dolphinusa.com http:/ /www.dolphinusa.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Glen.Avery at houghton.edu Tue Feb 5 08:16:40 2008 From: Glen.Avery at houghton.edu (Glen Avery) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 question Message-ID: Hello, I am the technology support person for the Student Academic Services here at Houghton College (Houghton, NY). I deal with the installation of Kurzweil 3000/1000 on some of our students' laptops and am the general guru for the SAS department. Houghton College is in the process of evaluating its laptop program and I need to find out what other institutions do in relation to K3000/1000 (assuming the other institutions don't have a laptop program). Can you give me some feedback on the following issues: 1) Do you make K3000 (or K1000) accessible to students on workstations located on campus? 2) Do you make either of those software packages available to students who want the software installed on their personal computers (laptop or desktop)? If so, how do you deal with the licenses for that situation -- and do you install the software or do you expect the students to install the software? 3) Do you just provide information about the software and advise students how they can purchase it from Kurzweil? If you could respond as soon as possible, that would be much appreciated. Have a great day and take care. Glen Avery Technology Librarian Houghton College 1 Willard Ave Houghton,NY 14744 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tim Balen Learning Specialist/AT Lab Coordinator Washington State University Disability Resource Center 509-335-7904 www.drc.wsu.edu ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Glen Avery Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:17 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 question Hello, I am the technology support person for the Student Academic Services here at Houghton College (Houghton, NY). I deal with the installation of Kurzweil 3000/1000 on some of our students' laptops and am the general guru for the SAS department. Houghton College is in the process of evaluating its laptop program and I need to find out what other institutions do in relation to K3000/1000 (assuming the other institutions don't have a laptop program). Can you give me some feedback on the following issues: 1) Do you make K3000 (or K1000) accessible to students on workstations located on campus? 2) Do you make either of those software packages available to students who want the software installed on their personal computers (laptop or desktop)? If so, how do you deal with the licenses for that situation -- and do you install the software or do you expect the students to install the software? 3) Do you just provide information about the software and advise students how they can purchase it from Kurzweil? If you could respond as soon as possible, that would be much appreciated. Have a great day and take care. Glen Avery Technology Librarian Houghton College 1 Willard Ave Houghton,NY 14744 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmurphy at collegeofthedesert.edu Tue Feb 5 08:58:00 2008 From: dmurphy at collegeofthedesert.edu (Daryl Murphy) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <866D94404CE9D049B12203795063D4DC984F85@Dccdmail3.dccd.cc.ca.us> See below; From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Glen Avery Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:17 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 question Hello, I am the technology support person for the Student Academic Services here at Houghton College (Houghton, NY). I deal with the installation of Kurzweil 3000/1000 on some of our students' laptops and am the general guru for the SAS department. Houghton College is in the process of evaluating its laptop program and I need to find out what other institutions do in relation to K3000/1000 (assuming the other institutions don't have a laptop program). Can you give me some feedback on the following issues: 1) Do you make K3000 (or K1000) accessible to students on workstations located on campus? We provide both K3000 and K1000 available throughout the whole district by running it on a server that every lab has access to. We install the client side on a number of computers in each lab. 2) Do you make either of those software packages available to students who want the software installed on their personal computers (laptop or desktop)? If so, how do you deal with the licenses for that situation -- and do you install the software or do you expect the students to install the software? If the student needs it on their own laptop or home computer, we provide a 'license to go' but because of liability issues, we have them install the client side of K3000. We do not provide K1000 to their own systems. 3) Do you just provide information about the software and advise students how they can purchase it from Kurzweil? We give a suggestion of different vendors that do sell Kurzweil, otherwise we would be promoting a certain vendor over another. If you could respond as soon as possible, that would be much appreciated. Have a great day and take care. Glen Avery Technology Librarian Houghton College 1 Willard Ave Houghton,NY 14744 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trerise at cayuga-cc.edu Tue Feb 5 08:52:01 2008 From: trerise at cayuga-cc.edu (Sharon Trerise) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We provide one workstation on campus with K3000/1000 installed. If students want to use Kurzweil, they use it here in the Academic Support Center which also houses a computer lab which is open to all students. However, currently none of our students are using Kurzweil, they are using a variety of other low-cost text-to-speech software. I'm attaching a list that I give them to show them what some of the lower-cost (< $50) choices are. (if anyone has suggestions of software to add to the list, please let me know) If the student is unfamiliar with Text-to-speech software, I demonstrate a few of the more popular ones so they can see how they work and try to figure out what features are important to them. Then they take the list and install whatever software they are going to use on their own computer. I let them know that there is other software available that has many more features than these lower priced ones and would be happy to discuss/show them if they are interested. For our blind students, we have JAWS installed both in the Academic Support Center and in the library. We don't currently have any blind students using Kurzweil. Generally our blind students come to us knowing JAWS rather than Kurzweil. In short, the students are generally not using Kurzweil any longer because it is a very costly option for them to use off campus. Hope this helps. Sharon Sharon Trerise Coordinator of Disability Services Cayuga Community College 197 Franklin St. Auburn, NY 13021 315-255-1792 x2306 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Glen Avery Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:17 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 question Hello, I am the technology support person for the Student Academic Services here at Houghton College (Houghton, NY). I deal with the installation of Kurzweil 3000/1000 on some of our students' laptops and am the general guru for the SAS department. Houghton College is in the process of evaluating its laptop program and I need to find out what other institutions do in relation to K3000/1000 (assuming the other institutions don't have a laptop program). Can you give me some feedback on the following issues: 1) Do you make K3000 (or K1000) accessible to students on workstations located on campus? 2) Do you make either of those software packages available to students who want the software installed on their personal computers (laptop or desktop)? If so, how do you deal with the licenses for that situation -- and do you install the software or do you expect the students to install the software? 3) Do you just provide information about the software and advise students how they can purchase it from Kurzweil? If you could respond as soon as possible, that would be much appreciated. Have a great day and take care. Glen Avery Technology Librarian Houghton College 1 Willard Ave Houghton,NY 14744 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We're looking to set up one computer in the library, starting small and gauging what's working, seeing if there might be any upcoming building changes that would make for better space, etc., and so I'd love to know what other schools currently have. Thanks, Liz Liz Henley Office of Disability Services Southern New Hampshire University 2500 North River Rd Manchester, NH 03106 (603) 668-2211, ext. 2118 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Tue Feb 5 11:27:43 2008 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Software for on campus computers Message-ID: I have JAWS, Zoomtext, Inspiration, WYNN, and Dragon on two stations in our ACCESS lab. Susan Kelmer Coordinator Information ACCESS Lab St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Glen.Avery at houghton.edu Tue Feb 5 11:32:33 2008 From: Glen.Avery at houghton.edu (Glen Avery) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Software for on campus computers In-Reply-To: <7ACB33E28EE38643B0981025B3A95F8109C7AEDE@snhu-mail1.snhu.edu> References: <7ACB33E28EE38643B0981025B3A95F8109C7AEDE@snhu-mail1.snhu.edu> Message-ID: I have one workstation set up near the reference desk in the main library. It has Kurzweil 3000 and Adobe acrobat Professional on it. Work study students and authorized non-work study students use it to scan materials and convert them to kesi files. Glen -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Henley, Elizabeth Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:15 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Software for on campus computers I have question that's sort of related to the Kurzweil one. For those of you in a school that has an assistive technology computer/lab set up on campus, what software do you have installed on it? We're looking to set up one computer in the library, starting small and gauging what's working, seeing if there might be any upcoming building changes that would make for better space, etc., and so I'd love to know what other schools currently have. Thanks, Liz Liz Henley Office of Disability Services Southern New Hampshire University 2500 North River Rd Manchester, NH 03106 (603) 668-2211, ext. 2118 From JElmer at vcccd.edu Tue Feb 5 13:14:56 2008 From: JElmer at vcccd.edu (John Elmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Software for on campus computers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We have JAWS, Dragon, Inspiration, K3000, Inspiration, Read and Write Gold, ZoomText on selected computers in our large campus computer lab and and working towards having these programs available on any student use computer via a server. We like using the regular computer lab, since it is integrated and makes the programs available to students during the same hours as the computer lab. We have additional, more specialized hardware and software available to students as needed. John F. Elmer Alternate Media Specialist Ventura College Educational Assistance Center (DSP&S) 4667 Telegraph Road Ventura, CA 93003 805.654.6400, x1278 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JElmer at vcccd.edu Tue Feb 5 13:21:16 2008 From: JElmer at vcccd.edu (John Elmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 question In-Reply-To: <20080205134211444.00000003124@SF305507> Message-ID: We use the License to Go feature in K3000 to install on student computers. Actually, we give them a disk, they install, and give use the K3000 generated System ID # and with that we give them a license that is good for a specified time period, after which the program disables and the license is automatically re-established for use on our server. It is slick. We don't have an AT lab, as such, though we do have a classroom that is used to teach AT to students. Our AT is integrated into campus computer labs and we will be implementing server based delivery to further enhance this integration. John Larry Kiser Sent by: athen-bounces@athenpro.org 02/05/2008 10:45 AM Please respond to Access Technologists in Higher Education Network To Access Technologists in Higher Education Network cc Subject Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 question Glen: At our college all nine computers in our adaptive technology lab and testing lab have Kurzweil 3000 client installations to run this program off a server. In addition there are similarly configured computer workstations in the general open computer lab, writing and reading labs, library, adult education lab and assessment center. We have one computer in the adaptive technology lab with an installation of Kurzweil 1000. Four stand alone licenses are available to install on computers at our other centers that are not on the network. We do not install the software on personal computers. We do provide students with purchasing information. Larry Kiser, Counselor Disabilities Resource Center Santa Fe Community College Gainesville, FL From: Glen Avery [mailto:Glen.Avery@houghton.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:17 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 question Hello, I am the technology support person for the Student Academic Services here at Houghton College (Houghton, NY). I deal with the installation of Kurzweil 3000/1000 on some of our students' laptops and am the general guru for the SAS department. Houghton College is in the process of evaluating its laptop program and I need to find out what other institutions do in relation to K3000/1000 (assuming the other institutions don't have a laptop program). Can you give me some feedback on the following issues: 1) Do you make K3000 (or K1000) accessible to students on workstations located on campus? 2) Do you make either of those software packages available to students who want the software installed on their personal computers (laptop or desktop)? If so, how do you deal with the licenses for that situation -- and do you install the software or do you expect the students to install the software? 3) Do you just provide information about the software and advise students how they can purchase it from Kurzweil? If you could respond as soon as possible, that would be much appreciated. Have a great day and take care. Glen Avery Technology Librarian Houghton College 1 Willard Ave Houghton,NY 14744_______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Wed Feb 6 06:30:21 2008 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Article to share Message-ID: <479AE6BF000018D0@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Morning all, One of our students has been featured in an article in the local paper. It started with our MCC Bulletin. The link is below. I am so proud of this student and what he has added to our program! Enjoy. Wink http://mail.mc.maricopa.edu:8080/en/mail.html?sid=bl0her32rk08tbh&lang=en&host=http://mail.mc.maricopa.edu:8080/&cert=false Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 From obriemic at hvcc.edu Wed Feb 6 07:03:38 2008 From: obriemic at hvcc.edu (Michael O'Brien) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Article to share In-Reply-To: <479AE6BF000018D0@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: <000001c868d1$73f21e40$b1176797@hvcc.edu> Wink: The article has restricted access. How do I access it? Mike Mike O'Brien, Hudson Valley Community College, Trroy, New York -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:30 AM To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Cc: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Article to share Morning all, One of our students has been featured in an article in the local paper. It started with our MCC Bulletin. The link is below. I am so proud of this student and what he has added to our program! Enjoy. Wink http://mail.mc.maricopa.edu:8080/en/mail.html?sid=bl0her32rk08tbh&lang=en&ho st=http://mail.mc.maricopa.edu:8080/&cert=false Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Wed Feb 6 07:03:30 2008 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Article to share In-Reply-To: <479AE6BF000018D0@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: <479AE6BF000018E7@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Sorry folks. Ron let me know the link didn't work. Try this instead & scroll down... Thanks! Wink http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/other/employees/ia/bulletin/Feb05_08/Feb05index.shtml >Morning all, > >One of our students has been featured in an article in the local paper. It >started with our MCC Bulletin. The link is below. I am so proud of this student >and what he has added to our program! > >Enjoy. > >Wink > > > > >http://mail.mc.maricopa.edu:8080/en/mail.html?sid=bl0her32rk08tbh&lang=en&host=http://mail.mc.maricopa.edu:8080/&cert=false > >Ms. Wink Harner >Manager >Disability Resources & Services >Mesa Community College >Mesa AZ > >480-461-7447 > > Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 From alpuzz at msu.edu Wed Feb 6 07:52:49 2008 From: alpuzz at msu.edu (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Any paperless way to pay for membership? Message-ID: Hello, I've been a lurker on this list for quite some time, and want to join the group. Signing up for membership has been on my to do list for ages, and I'm going to get it done now, one way or another. However, in all honesty I would have probably gotten to it much sooner if I knew there was a way to fill out the form, and then make a payment without the need to write a paper check. I remember a while back, there was talk about Athen possibly being able to accept credit card payments. Did that ever happen? If not, what about PayPal, or other similar options? Thanks, Al Puzzuoli Michigan State University Information Technologist http://www.rcpd.msu.edu Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities 517-884-1915 120 Bessey Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Wed Feb 6 08:24:49 2008 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Any paperless way to pay for membership? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009701c868dc$ccf76bc0$66e64340$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> That is one of our top priorities and should be completed soon. The option we are going to be using will be PayPal. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Al Puzzuoli Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:53 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Any paperless way to pay for membership? Hello, I've been a lurker on this list for quite some time, and want to join the group. Signing up for membership has been on my to do list for ages, and I'm going to get it done now, one way or another. However, in all honesty I would have probably gotten to it much sooner if I knew there was a way to fill out the form, and then make a payment without the need to write a paper check. I remember a while back, there was talk about Athen possibly being able to accept credit card payments. Did that ever happen? If not, what about PayPal, or other similar options? Thanks, Al Puzzuoli Michigan State University Information Technologist http://www.rcpd.msu.edu Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities 517-884-1915 120 Bessey Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeano at uwm.edu Wed Feb 6 08:42:12 2008 From: jeano at uwm.edu (Jean Salzer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] K3000 and campus computer questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47A9E364.1040807@uwm.edu> Well, since I'm working from home (southeast WI is getting hit big time) today, I can actually take moment to respond. First - we do not provide each student with a computer. They either have their own or use the campus computer labs. I've worked fairly diligently with the technology folks on campus and have created as much access as possible. The campus computer labs have Zoomtext on all PCs except those that have scanners. The scanner stations have K3000 and Jaws. In addition, the accessibility center has a small lab that includes all those plus voice recognition, Read and Write Gold, Text Aloud, etc. Apparently a campus-wide site license was not even close to practical for Read and Write Gold and TextAloud, so we agreed K3000 fit that bill. Dragon, since it is so widely used in the general public, is only in our little lab to accommodate students who require it for testtaking and to provide students with the opportunity to check it out. In addition to the campus computer labs, any department can purchase a license from the technology department on an as needed basis for individual class requirements. Jean athen-request@athenpro.org wrote: > Send Athen mailing list submissions to > athen@athenpro.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-request@athenpro.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-owner@athenpro.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Software for on campus computers (John Elmer) > 2. Re: Kurzweil 3000 question (John Elmer) > 3. Article to share (Wink Harner) > 4. Re: Article to share (Michael O'Brien) > 5. Re: Article to share (Wink Harner) > 6. Any paperless way to pay for membership? (Al Puzzuoli) > 7. Re: Any paperless way to pay for membership? (Ron Stewart) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:14:56 -0800 > From: John Elmer > Subject: Re: [Athen] Software for on campus computers > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > We have JAWS, Dragon, Inspiration, K3000, Inspiration, Read and Write > Gold, ZoomText on selected computers in our large campus computer lab and > and working towards having these programs available on any student use > computer via a server. We like using the regular computer lab, since it > is integrated and makes the programs available to students during the same > hours as the computer lab. We have additional, more specialized hardware > and software available to students as needed. > > John F. Elmer > Alternate Media Specialist > Ventura College > Educational Assistance Center (DSP&S) > 4667 Telegraph Road > Ventura, CA 93003 > 805.654.6400, x1278 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20080205/593a29fb/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:21:16 -0800 > From: John Elmer > Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 question > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > We use the License to Go feature in K3000 to install on student computers. > Actually, we give them a disk, they install, and give use the K3000 > generated System ID # and with that we give them a license that is good > for a specified time period, after which the program disables and the > license is automatically re-established for use on our server. It is > slick. We don't have an AT lab, as such, though we do have a classroom > that is used to teach AT to students. Our AT is integrated into campus > computer labs and we will be implementing server based delivery to further > enhance this integration. > > John > > > > Larry Kiser > Sent by: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > 02/05/2008 10:45 AM > Please respond to > Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > > To > Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > cc > > Subject > Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 question > > > > > > > Glen: > > At our college all nine computers in our adaptive technology lab and > testing lab have Kurzweil 3000 client installations to run this program > off a server. In addition there are similarly configured computer > workstations in the general open computer lab, writing and reading labs, > library, adult education lab and assessment center. We have one computer > in the adaptive technology lab with an installation of Kurzweil 1000. Four > stand alone licenses are available to install on computers at our other > centers that are not on the network. > > We do not install the software on personal computers. We do provide > students with purchasing information. > > Larry Kiser, Counselor > Disabilities Resource Center > Santa Fe Community College > Gainesville, FL > > > From: Glen Avery [mailto:Glen.Avery@houghton.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:17 AM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 question > > Hello, > > I am the technology support person for the Student Academic Services here > at Houghton College (Houghton, NY). I deal with the installation of > Kurzweil 3000/1000 on some of our students' laptops and am the general > guru for the SAS department. > > Houghton College is in the process of evaluating its laptop program and I > need to find out what other institutions do in relation to K3000/1000 > (assuming the other institutions don't have a laptop program). Can you > give me some feedback on the following issues: > > 1) Do you make K3000 (or K1000) accessible to students on workstations > located on campus? > > 2) Do you make either of those software packages available to students who > want the software installed on their personal computers (laptop or > desktop)? If so, how do you deal with the licenses for that situation -- > and do you install the software or do you expect the students to install > the software? > > 3) Do you just provide information about the software and advise students > how they can purchase it from Kurzweil? > > If you could respond as soon as possible, that would be much appreciated. > > Have a great day and take care. > > Glen Avery > Technology Librarian > Houghton College > 1 Willard Ave > Houghton,NY 14744_______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20080205/5cc3e533/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:30:21 -0700 > From: "Wink Harner" > Subject: [Athen] Article to share > To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Cc: athen@athenpro.org > Message-ID: <479AE6BF000018D0@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Morning all, > > One of our students has been featured in an article in the local paper. It > started with our MCC Bulletin. The link is below. I am so proud of this student > and what he has added to our program! > > Enjoy. > > Wink > > > > > http://mail.mc.maricopa.edu:8080/en/mail.html?sid=bl0her32rk08tbh&lang=en&host=http://mail.mc.maricopa.edu:8080/&cert=false > > Ms. Wink Harner > Manager > Disability Resources & Services > Mesa Community College > Mesa AZ > > 480-461-7447 > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:03:38 -0500 > From: "Michael O'Brien" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Article to share > To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > Message-ID: <000001c868d1$73f21e40$b1176797@hvcc.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Wink: > > The article has restricted access. How do I access it? > > Mike > > Mike O'Brien, > Hudson Valley Community College, > Trroy, New York > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Wink Harner > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:30 AM > To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Cc: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] Article to share > > Morning all, > > One of our students has been featured in an article in the local paper. It > started with our MCC Bulletin. The link is below. I am so proud of this > student and what he has added to our program! > > Enjoy. > > Wink > > > > > http://mail.mc.maricopa.edu:8080/en/mail.html?sid=bl0her32rk08tbh&lang=en&ho > st=http://mail.mc.maricopa.edu:8080/&cert=false > > Ms. Wink Harner > Manager > Disability Resources & Services > Mesa Community College > Mesa AZ > > 480-461-7447 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:03:30 -0700 > From: "Wink Harner" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Article to share > To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Cc: athen@athenpro.org > Message-ID: <479AE6BF000018E7@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Sorry folks. Ron let me know the link didn't work. > > Try this instead & scroll down... > > Thanks! > > Wink > > http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/other/employees/ia/bulletin/Feb05_08/Feb05index.shtml > > > > > >> Morning all, >> >> One of our students has been featured in an article in the local paper. >> > It > >> started with our MCC Bulletin. The link is below. I am so proud of this >> > student > >> and what he has added to our program! >> >> Enjoy. >> >> Wink >> >> >> >> >> http://mail.mc.maricopa.edu:8080/en/mail.html?sid=bl0her32rk08tbh&lang=en&host=http://mail.mc.maricopa.edu:8080/&cert=false >> >> Ms. Wink Harner >> Manager >> Disability Resources & Services >> Mesa Community College >> Mesa AZ >> >> 480-461-7447 >> >> >> > > Ms. Wink Harner > Manager > Disability Resources & Services > Mesa Community College > Mesa AZ > > 480-461-7447 > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:52:49 -0500 > From: "Al Puzzuoli" > Subject: [Athen] Any paperless way to pay for membership? > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello, > > > > I've been a lurker on this list for quite some time, and want to join > the group. Signing up for membership has been on my to do list for > ages, and I'm going to get it done now, one way or another. However, in > all honesty I would have probably gotten to it much sooner if I knew > there was a way to fill out the form, and then make a payment without > the need to write a paper check. I remember a while back, there was > talk about Athen possibly being able to accept credit card payments. > Did that ever happen? If not, what about PayPal, or other similar > options? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Al Puzzuoli > > Michigan State University > > Information Technologist > http://www.rcpd.msu.edu > > Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities 517-884-1915 120 Bessey > Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20080206/b3e9d286/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:24:49 -0500 > From: "Ron Stewart" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Any paperless way to pay for membership? > To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > Message-ID: <009701c868dc$ccf76bc0$66e64340$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > That is one of our top priorities and should be completed soon. The option > we are going to be using will be PayPal. > > > > Ron > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Al Puzzuoli > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:53 AM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] Any paperless way to pay for membership? > > > > Hello, > > > > I've been a lurker on this list for quite some time, and want to join the > group. Signing up for membership has been on my to do list for ages, and > I'm going to get it done now, one way or another. However, in all honesty I > would have probably gotten to it much sooner if I knew there was a way to > fill out the form, and then make a payment without the need to write a paper > check. I remember a while back, there was talk about Athen possibly being > able to accept credit card payments. Did that ever happen? If not, what > about PayPal, or other similar options? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Al Puzzuoli > > Michigan State University > > Information Technologist > http://www.rcpd.msu.edu > > Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities 517-884-1915 120 Bessey Hall > East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20080206/f7252008/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > End of Athen Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6 > ************************************ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jeano.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 284 bytes Desc: not available URL: From saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu Wed Feb 6 09:39:35 2008 From: saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu (Saroj Primlani) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] campus computer questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004201c868e7$3dc9d270$60c00798@sarojnewlaptop> Hi, At NC State labs can be grouped mainly as public, college/department and virtual. Images are used to deploy applications in all the labs. For Windows environment, we create a base image which includes the DCM (Display chain manager) and other relevant drivers, a second base image that includes accessibility tools like JAWS, MAGic, TextHelp, Kurzweil etc. and the OS specific accessibility features. These base images are used to distribute high use applications like Office, browsers, Mathlab, etc in general labs and are also available to Colleges/Departments to customize as they need. Many of them use the base image which includes the accessibility tools for their labs. For the Mac, the accessibility features are also included in the base image. In the virtual lab, where the user is given a customized image, the requested software is installed on an image with the requested AT. While AT software is available from any workstation, there are specific stations set aside with AT hardware like braille displays, scanners, input devices, tactile printers etc. In addition, the Library and the Office of Disability Services also have fully equiped labs with all relevant AT. _________________________________ Saroj Primlani Coordinator of University IT Accessibility Office of Information Technology 919 513 4087 http://ncsu.edu/it/access -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of athen-request@athenpro.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:43 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7 Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: K3000 and campus computer questions (Jean Salzer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:42:12 -0600 From: Jean Salzer Subject: Re: [Athen] K3000 and campus computer questions To: athen@athenpro.org Message-ID: <47A9E364.1040807@uwm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, since I'm working from home (southeast WI is getting hit big time) today, I can actually take moment to respond. First - we do not provide each student with a computer. They either have their own or use the campus computer labs. I've worked fairly diligently with the technology folks on campus and have created as much access as possible. The campus computer labs have Zoomtext on all PCs except those that have scanners. The scanner stations have K3000 and Jaws. In addition, the accessibility center has a small lab that includes all those plus voice recognition, Read and Write Gold, Text Aloud, etc. Apparently a campus-wide site license was not even close to practical for Read and Write Gold and TextAloud, so we agreed K3000 fit that bill. Dragon, since it is so widely used in the general public, is only in our little lab to accommodate students who require it for testtaking and to provide students with the opportunity to check it out. In addition to the campus computer labs, any department can purchase a license from the technology department on an as needed basis for individual class requirements. Jean athen-request@athenpro.org wrote: > Send Athen mailing list submissions to > athen@athenpro.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-request@athenpro.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-owner@athenpro.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Software for on campus computers (John Elmer) > 2. Re: Kurzweil 3000 question (John Elmer) > 3. Article to share (Wink Harner) > 4. Re: Article to share (Michael O'Brien) > 5. Re: Article to share (Wink Harner) > 6. Any paperless way to pay for membership? (Al Puzzuoli) > 7. Re: Any paperless way to pay for membership? (Ron Stewart) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:14:56 -0800 > From: John Elmer > Subject: Re: [Athen] Software for on campus computers > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > We have JAWS, Dragon, Inspiration, K3000, Inspiration, Read and Write > Gold, ZoomText on selected computers in our large campus computer lab and > and working towards having these programs available on any student use > computer via a server. We like using the regular computer lab, since it > is integrated and makes the programs available to students during the same > hours as the computer lab. We have additional, more specialized hardware > and software available to students as needed. > > John F. Elmer > Alternate Media Specialist > Ventura College > Educational Assistance Center (DSP&S) > 4667 Telegraph Road > Ventura, CA 93003 > 805.654.6400, x1278 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20080205/593a29 fb/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:21:16 -0800 > From: John Elmer > Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 question > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > We use the License to Go feature in K3000 to install on student computers. > Actually, we give them a disk, they install, and give use the K3000 > generated System ID # and with that we give them a license that is good > for a specified time period, after which the program disables and the > license is automatically re-established for use on our server. It is > slick. We don't have an AT lab, as such, though we do have a classroom > that is used to teach AT to students. Our AT is integrated into campus > computer labs and we will be implementing server based delivery to further > enhance this integration. > > John > > > > Larry Kiser > Sent by: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > 02/05/2008 10:45 AM > Please respond to > Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > > To > Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > cc > > Subject > Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 question > > > > > > > Glen: > > At our college all nine computers in our adaptive technology lab and > testing lab have Kurzweil 3000 client installations to run this program > off a server. In addition there are similarly configured computer > workstations in the general open computer lab, writing and reading labs, > library, adult education lab and assessment center. We have one computer > in the adaptive technology lab with an installation of Kurzweil 1000. Four > stand alone licenses are available to install on computers at our other > centers that are not on the network. > > We do not install the software on personal computers. We do provide > students with purchasing information. > > Larry Kiser, Counselor > Disabilities Resource Center > Santa Fe Community College > Gainesville, FL > > > From: Glen Avery [mailto:Glen.Avery@houghton.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:17 AM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 question > > Hello, > > I am the technology support person for the Student Academic Services here > at Houghton College (Houghton, NY). I deal with the installation of > Kurzweil 3000/1000 on some of our students' laptops and am the general > guru for the SAS department. > > Houghton College is in the process of evaluating its laptop program and I > need to find out what other institutions do in relation to K3000/1000 > (assuming the other institutions don't have a laptop program). Can you > give me some feedback on the following issues: > > 1) Do you make K3000 (or K1000) accessible to students on workstations > located on campus? > > 2) Do you make either of those software packages available to students who > want the software installed on their personal computers (laptop or > desktop)? If so, how do you deal with the licenses for that situation -- > and do you install the software or do you expect the students to install > the software? > > 3) Do you just provide information about the software and advise students > how they can purchase it from Kurzweil? > > If you could respond as soon as possible, that would be much appreciated. > > Have a great day and take care. > > Glen Avery > Technology Librarian > Houghton College > 1 Willard Ave > Houghton,NY 14744_______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20080205/5cc3e5 33/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 07:30:21 -0700 > From: "Wink Harner" > Subject: [Athen] Article to share > To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Cc: athen@athenpro.org > Message-ID: <479AE6BF000018D0@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Morning all, > > One of our students has been featured in an article in the local paper. It > started with our MCC Bulletin. The link is below. I am so proud of this student > and what he has added to our program! > > Enjoy. > > Wink > > > > > http://mail.mc.maricopa.edu:8080/en/mail.html?sid=bl0her32rk08tbh&lang=en&ho st=http://mail.mc.maricopa.edu:8080/&cert=false > > Ms. Wink Harner > Manager > Disability Resources & Services > Mesa Community College > Mesa AZ > > 480-461-7447 > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:03:38 -0500 > From: "Michael O'Brien" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Article to share > To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > Message-ID: <000001c868d1$73f21e40$b1176797@hvcc.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Wink: > > The article has restricted access. How do I access it? > > Mike > > Mike O'Brien, > Hudson Valley Community College, > Trroy, New York > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Wink Harner > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:30 AM > To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Cc: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] Article to share > > Morning all, > > One of our students has been featured in an article in the local paper. It > started with our MCC Bulletin. The link is below. I am so proud of this > student and what he has added to our program! > > Enjoy. > > Wink > > > > > http://mail.mc.maricopa.edu:8080/en/mail.html?sid=bl0her32rk08tbh&lang=en&ho > st=http://mail.mc.maricopa.edu:8080/&cert=false > > Ms. Wink Harner > Manager > Disability Resources & Services > Mesa Community College > Mesa AZ > > 480-461-7447 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 08:03:30 -0700 > From: "Wink Harner" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Article to share > To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Cc: athen@athenpro.org > Message-ID: <479AE6BF000018E7@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Sorry folks. Ron let me know the link didn't work. > > Try this instead & scroll down... > > Thanks! > > Wink > > http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/other/employees/ia/bulletin/Feb05_08/Feb05index.s html > > > > > >> Morning all, >> >> One of our students has been featured in an article in the local paper. >> > It > >> started with our MCC Bulletin. The link is below. I am so proud of this >> > student > >> and what he has added to our program! >> >> Enjoy. >> >> Wink >> >> >> >> >> http://mail.mc.maricopa.edu:8080/en/mail.html?sid=bl0her32rk08tbh&lang=en&ho st=http://mail.mc.maricopa.edu:8080/&cert=false >> >> Ms. Wink Harner >> Manager >> Disability Resources & Services >> Mesa Community College >> Mesa AZ >> >> 480-461-7447 >> >> >> > > Ms. Wink Harner > Manager > Disability Resources & Services > Mesa Community College > Mesa AZ > > 480-461-7447 > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:52:49 -0500 > From: "Al Puzzuoli" > Subject: [Athen] Any paperless way to pay for membership? > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello, > > > > I've been a lurker on this list for quite some time, and want to join > the group. Signing up for membership has been on my to do list for > ages, and I'm going to get it done now, one way or another. However, in > all honesty I would have probably gotten to it much sooner if I knew > there was a way to fill out the form, and then make a payment without > the need to write a paper check. I remember a while back, there was > talk about Athen possibly being able to accept credit card payments. > Did that ever happen? If not, what about PayPal, or other similar > options? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Al Puzzuoli > > Michigan State University > > Information Technologist > http://www.rcpd.msu.edu > > Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities 517-884-1915 120 Bessey > Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20080206/b3e9d2 86/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 11:24:49 -0500 > From: "Ron Stewart" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Any paperless way to pay for membership? > To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > Message-ID: <009701c868dc$ccf76bc0$66e64340$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > That is one of our top priorities and should be completed soon. The option > we are going to be using will be PayPal. > > > > Ron > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Al Puzzuoli > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:53 AM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] Any paperless way to pay for membership? > > > > Hello, > > > > I've been a lurker on this list for quite some time, and want to join the > group. Signing up for membership has been on my to do list for ages, and > I'm going to get it done now, one way or another. However, in all honesty I > would have probably gotten to it much sooner if I knew there was a way to > fill out the form, and then make a payment without the need to write a paper > check. I remember a while back, there was talk about Athen possibly being > able to accept credit card payments. Did that ever happen? If not, what > about PayPal, or other similar options? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Al Puzzuoli > > Michigan State University > > Information Technologist > http://www.rcpd.msu.edu > > Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities 517-884-1915 120 Bessey Hall > East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20080206/f72520 08/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > End of Athen Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6 > ************************************ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please consider these positions yourself and/or send them to people you think may be interested. 1. Visiting Software Development Specialist This position will support the development of software tools to promote the use of best practices in accessible web design in university educational and administrative technologies. http://www.disability.uiuc.edu/news.php?id=298 2. Visiting IT Accessibility Specialist Development and support the development of training resources to help people produce accessible web content. http://www.disability.uiuc.edu/news.php?id=294 Thank you for your help in publicizing these positions, Jon =========================================== Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. Coordinator Information Technology Accessibility Disability Resources and Educational Services Rehabilitation Education Center Room 86 1207 S. Oak Street Champaign, Illinois 61821 Voice: (217) 244-5870 WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/ WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/ From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Thu Feb 7 06:06:08 2008 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Your support encouraged Message-ID: <006501c86992$994affb0$cbe0ff10$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Good morning, A very important bill is up for a vote in the house that could have a significant impact on our students. Please review the following: http://edlabor.house.gov/micro/coaa.shtml and if you agree with its proposals I would encourage you to contact your Congressional representative. https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml Ron Stewart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From accessible.text at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 06:24:29 2008 From: accessible.text at gmail.com (Robert Martinengo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Your support encouraged In-Reply-To: <6855939825426604076@unknownmsgid> References: <6855939825426604076@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <9edf8160802070624h57ee4fd3ia3fbbe3c514d4918@mail.gmail.com> Ron, is this linked to the Higher Ed Act, or is it a stand-alone bill? On Feb 7, 2008 9:06 AM, Ron Stewart wrote: > > > > Good morning, > > A very important bill is up for a vote in the house that could have a > significant impact on our students. Please review the following: > http://edlabor.house.gov/micro/coaa.shtml > > and if you agree with its proposals I would encourage you to contact your > Congressional representative. > > https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml > > > > Ron Stewart > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Thu Feb 7 06:56:52 2008 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Your support encouraged In-Reply-To: <9edf8160802070624h57ee4fd3ia3fbbe3c514d4918@mail.gmail.com> References: <6855939825426604076@unknownmsgid> <9edf8160802070624h57ee4fd3ia3fbbe3c514d4918@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <011a01c86999$ac608aa0$05219fe0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> It is part of the College Opportunity and Affordability Act. I belive it was originally intended to be an amendment to the HEA. It is now a stand alone bill. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Martinengo Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:24 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Your support encouraged Ron, is this linked to the Higher Ed Act, or is it a stand-alone bill? On Feb 7, 2008 9:06 AM, Ron Stewart wrote: > > > > Good morning, > > A very important bill is up for a vote in the house that could have a > significant impact on our students. Please review the following: > http://edlabor.house.gov/micro/coaa.shtml > > and if you agree with its proposals I would encourage you to contact your > Congressional representative. > > https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml > > > > Ron Stewart > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From gerrynies at mail.und.nodak.edu Thu Feb 7 07:13:34 2008 From: gerrynies at mail.und.nodak.edu (Gerry Nies) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Email products In-Reply-To: <7ACB33E28EE38643B0981025B3A95F8109C7AEDE@snhu-mail1.snhu.edu> References: <7ACB33E28EE38643B0981025B3A95F8109C7AEDE@snhu-mail1.snhu.edu> Message-ID: <47AACBD8.5B96.00E0.0@mail.und.nodak.edu> Our campus is looking at out-sourcing our student email. So I have a couple of questions. Has your campus gone to a product like Google apps or something equivalent? If you have, what? The more important question is are there concerns with accessibility of these products? Thanks Gerry Nies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alpuzz at msu.edu Thu Feb 7 07:34:27 2008 From: alpuzz at msu.edu (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Email products References: <7ACB33E28EE38643B0981025B3A95F8109C7AEDE@snhu-mail1.snhu.edu> <47AACBD8.5B96.00E0.0@mail.und.nodak.edu> Message-ID: Our campus is discussing outsourcing of mail but thus far, it hasn't happened. I haven't seen Google Aps myself yet, so can't speak as to its accessibility; However the ability of screen readers to handle ajax applications is still in its infancy, so I think the worries are definitely real. Do all these third party apps offer pop access? If so, then at least there will be that to fall back on. --Al ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Nies Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:14 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Email products Our campus is looking at out-sourcing our student email. So I have a couple of questions. Has your campus gone to a product like Google apps or something equivalent? If you have, what? The more important question is are there concerns with accessibility of these products? Thanks Gerry Nies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sykesje at gvsu.edu Thu Feb 7 08:58:39 2008 From: sykesje at gvsu.edu (Jeffrey Sykes) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Software for on campus computers In-Reply-To: <7ACB33E28EE38643B0981025B3A95F8109C7AEDE@snhu-mail1.snhu.edu> References: <7ACB33E28EE38643B0981025B3A95F8109C7AEDE@snhu-mail1.snhu.edu> Message-ID: <47AAF26F.1839.0089.0@gvsu.edu> Grand Valley State University provides an assistive technology workstation in each campus computer lab, and in the Writing Center and Libraries. Each station runs the standard lab image, and has all the usual lab software available. In addition, on each assistive tech workstation station we provide JAWS 8.0, WYNN Wizard 5.1, MAGic 10.5, ZoomText 8.1, Inspiration 8, WordTalk, and WebbIE 3.3 The Java Accessibility Bridge is also installed. Each library station and roughly half of the computer lab stations are equipped with flatbed scanners. Regards, Jeff Sykes Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Support Services Grand Valley State University >>> "Henley, Elizabeth" 02/05/2008 2:15 PM >>> I have question that's sort of related to the Kurzweil one. For those of you in a school that has an assistive technology computer/lab set up on campus, what software do you have installed on it? We're looking to set up one computer in the library, starting small and gauging what's working, seeing if there might be any upcoming building changes that would make for better space, etc., and so I'd love to know what other schools currently have. Thanks, Liz Liz Henley Office of Disability Services Southern New Hampshire University 2500 North River Rd Manchester, NH 03106 (603) 668-2211, ext. 2118 From jfoliot at stanford.edu Thu Feb 7 09:00:55 2008 From: jfoliot at stanford.edu (John Foliot - Stanford Online Accessibility Program) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Email products In-Reply-To: <47AACBD8.5B96.00E0.0@mail.und.nodak.edu> Message-ID: <019901c869ab$01456bb0$1a3c42ab@stanford.edu> Gerry Nies wrote: > Our campus is looking at out-sourcing our student email. So I have a > couple of questions. > > Has your campus gone to a product like Google apps or something > equivalent? If you have, what? > > The more important question is are there concerns with accessibility > of these products? Last summer an investigation process was undertaken here to evaluate the next-gen email/calendaring/contacts solution for our University. At that time, three products were being "presented" and tested: Microsoft's solution, Google-apps, and Zimbra (recently purchased by Yahoo). While all three had some issues, the least problematic was the Zimbra solution. I attended all 3 product presentations as part of the process, and approached the presenters after each session with business card in hand and broached the subject of accessibility. Of the 3, I was subsequently contacted by representatives from Zimbra (who were still independent at the time) for further discussion regarding some of the issues I had noted. While easy answers are not always readily available, I was impressed that Zimbra cared enough to follow up - mind you, they were also the "hungriest", and having a client such as our University would stand them in good stead, so they had a vested interest beyond "accessibility" to follow up - none-the-less their approach and interest in the topic appeared sincere and positive. I believe that at this time, Zimbra has been chosen as the solution of choice, although recent external events regarding Yahoo + Microsoft *might* have an impact here (and I am not privy to the daily decision process regarding this initiative on campus), so time will tell what ultimately emerges. It is also worth noting that since that time, Google apps have made some improvement in the accessibility of at least Gmail, although some cynics suggest that it is still too little too late (but I'm rarely cynical...) My largest concern with the Microsoft solution was it's dependence on Internet Explorer for the "richest" user-experience, coupled with the large Mac user-base on our campus. Hope this helps. JF =================================== John Foliot Academic Technology Consultant Stanford Online Accessibility Program http://soap.stanford.edu Stanford University Tel: 650-862-4603 =================================== From saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu Thu Feb 7 09:09:31 2008 From: saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu (Saroj Primlani) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] vcl file repository Message-ID: <000201c869ac$3477d8a0$60c00798@sarojnewlaptop> Aaron, I went to the storage locker and did not find much as most of the presentations and papers were basically high level overview of VCL I did find a pdf file and PowerPoint presentation on the infrastructure and a word doc with the information given as bullet points. Which were the documents you wanted me to reviw/edit? Saroj -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu Thu Feb 7 10:10:26 2008 From: saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu (Saroj Primlani) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] vcl repository In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01c869b4$b71537f0$60c00798@sarojnewlaptop> Please ignore, selected the wrong name in the address book Saroj _________________________________ Saroj Primlani Coordinator of University IT Accessibility Office of Information Technology 919 513 4087 http://ncsu.edu/it/access -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of athen-request@athenpro.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:09 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 25, Issue 9 Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Two IT Accessibility positions at UIUC (Jon Gunderson) 2. Your support encouraged (Ron Stewart) 3. Re: Your support encouraged (Robert Martinengo) 4. Re: Your support encouraged (Ron Stewart) 5. Email products (Gerry Nies) 6. Re: Email products (Al Puzzuoli) 7. Re: Software for on campus computers (Jeffrey Sykes) 8. Re: Email products (John Foliot - Stanford Online Accessibility Program) 9. vcl file repository (Saroj Primlani) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:10:17 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Gunderson Subject: [Athen] Two IT Accessibility positions at UIUC To: ATHEN listserv Message-ID: <20080206141017.BBV01516@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii UIUC is seeking two people to support statewide Web Accessibility efforts. Please consider these positions yourself and/or send them to people you think may be interested. 1. Visiting Software Development Specialist This position will support the development of software tools to promote the use of best practices in accessible web design in university educational and administrative technologies. http://www.disability.uiuc.edu/news.php?id=298 2. Visiting IT Accessibility Specialist Development and support the development of training resources to help people produce accessible web content. http://www.disability.uiuc.edu/news.php?id=294 Thank you for your help in publicizing these positions, Jon =========================================== Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. Coordinator Information Technology Accessibility Disability Resources and Educational Services Rehabilitation Education Center Room 86 1207 S. Oak Street Champaign, Illinois 61821 Voice: (217) 244-5870 WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/ WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:06:08 -0500 From: "Ron Stewart" Subject: [Athen] Your support encouraged To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" , Message-ID: <006501c86992$994affb0$cbe0ff10$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good morning, A very important bill is up for a vote in the house that could have a significant impact on our students. Please review the following: http://edlabor.house.gov/micro/coaa.shtml and if you agree with its proposals I would encourage you to contact your Congressional representative. https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml Ron Stewart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20080207/4c89f4 e4/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:24:29 -0500 From: "Robert Martinengo" Subject: Re: [Athen] Your support encouraged To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Message-ID: <9edf8160802070624h57ee4fd3ia3fbbe3c514d4918@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ron, is this linked to the Higher Ed Act, or is it a stand-alone bill? On Feb 7, 2008 9:06 AM, Ron Stewart wrote: > > > > Good morning, > > A very important bill is up for a vote in the house that could have a > significant impact on our students. Please review the following: > http://edlabor.house.gov/micro/coaa.shtml > > and if you agree with its proposals I would encourage you to contact your > Congressional representative. > > https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml > > > > Ron Stewart > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:56:52 -0500 From: "Ron Stewart" Subject: Re: [Athen] Your support encouraged To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <011a01c86999$ac608aa0$05219fe0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It is part of the College Opportunity and Affordability Act. I belive it was originally intended to be an amendment to the HEA. It is now a stand alone bill. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Martinengo Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:24 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Your support encouraged Ron, is this linked to the Higher Ed Act, or is it a stand-alone bill? On Feb 7, 2008 9:06 AM, Ron Stewart wrote: > > > > Good morning, > > A very important bill is up for a vote in the house that could have a > significant impact on our students. Please review the following: > http://edlabor.house.gov/micro/coaa.shtml > > and if you agree with its proposals I would encourage you to contact your > Congressional representative. > > https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml > > > > Ron Stewart > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 09:13:34 -0600 From: "Gerry Nies" Subject: [Athen] Email products To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Message-ID: <47AACBD8.5B96.00E0.0@mail.und.nodak.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Our campus is looking at out-sourcing our student email. So I have a couple of questions. Has your campus gone to a product like Google apps or something equivalent? If you have, what? The more important question is are there concerns with accessibility of these products? Thanks Gerry Nies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20080207/d40512 f8/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:34:27 -0500 From: "Al Puzzuoli" Subject: Re: [Athen] Email products To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Our campus is discussing outsourcing of mail but thus far, it hasn't happened. I haven't seen Google Aps myself yet, so can't speak as to its accessibility; However the ability of screen readers to handle ajax applications is still in its infancy, so I think the worries are definitely real. Do all these third party apps offer pop access? If so, then at least there will be that to fall back on. --Al ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Nies Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:14 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Email products Our campus is looking at out-sourcing our student email. So I have a couple of questions. Has your campus gone to a product like Google apps or something equivalent? If you have, what? The more important question is are there concerns with accessibility of these products? Thanks Gerry Nies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20080207/c91faf 4f/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:58:39 -0500 From: "Jeffrey Sykes" Subject: Re: [Athen] Software for on campus computers To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Message-ID: <47AAF26F.1839.0089.0@gvsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Grand Valley State University provides an assistive technology workstation in each campus computer lab, and in the Writing Center and Libraries. Each station runs the standard lab image, and has all the usual lab software available. In addition, on each assistive tech workstation station we provide JAWS 8.0, WYNN Wizard 5.1, MAGic 10.5, ZoomText 8.1, Inspiration 8, WordTalk, and WebbIE 3.3 The Java Accessibility Bridge is also installed. Each library station and roughly half of the computer lab stations are equipped with flatbed scanners. Regards, Jeff Sykes Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Support Services Grand Valley State University >>> "Henley, Elizabeth" 02/05/2008 2:15 PM >>> I have question that's sort of related to the Kurzweil one. For those of you in a school that has an assistive technology computer/lab set up on campus, what software do you have installed on it? We're looking to set up one computer in the library, starting small and gauging what's working, seeing if there might be any upcoming building changes that would make for better space, etc., and so I'd love to know what other schools currently have. Thanks, Liz Liz Henley Office of Disability Services Southern New Hampshire University 2500 North River Rd Manchester, NH 03106 (603) 668-2211, ext. 2118 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:00:55 -0800 From: "John Foliot - Stanford Online Accessibility Program" Subject: Re: [Athen] Email products To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <019901c869ab$01456bb0$1a3c42ab@stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Gerry Nies wrote: > Our campus is looking at out-sourcing our student email. So I have a > couple of questions. > > Has your campus gone to a product like Google apps or something > equivalent? If you have, what? > > The more important question is are there concerns with accessibility > of these products? Last summer an investigation process was undertaken here to evaluate the next-gen email/calendaring/contacts solution for our University. At that time, three products were being "presented" and tested: Microsoft's solution, Google-apps, and Zimbra (recently purchased by Yahoo). While all three had some issues, the least problematic was the Zimbra solution. I attended all 3 product presentations as part of the process, and approached the presenters after each session with business card in hand and broached the subject of accessibility. Of the 3, I was subsequently contacted by representatives from Zimbra (who were still independent at the time) for further discussion regarding some of the issues I had noted. While easy answers are not always readily available, I was impressed that Zimbra cared enough to follow up - mind you, they were also the "hungriest", and having a client such as our University would stand them in good stead, so they had a vested interest beyond "accessibility" to follow up - none-the-less their approach and interest in the topic appeared sincere and positive. I believe that at this time, Zimbra has been chosen as the solution of choice, although recent external events regarding Yahoo + Microsoft *might* have an impact here (and I am not privy to the daily decision process regarding this initiative on campus), so time will tell what ultimately emerges. It is also worth noting that since that time, Google apps have made some improvement in the accessibility of at least Gmail, although some cynics suggest that it is still too little too late (but I'm rarely cynical...) My largest concern with the Microsoft solution was it's dependence on Internet Explorer for the "richest" user-experience, coupled with the large Mac user-base on our campus. Hope this helps. JF =================================== John Foliot Academic Technology Consultant Stanford Online Accessibility Program http://soap.stanford.edu Stanford University Tel: 650-862-4603 =================================== ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 12:09:31 -0500 From: "Saroj Primlani" Subject: [Athen] vcl file repository To: Message-ID: <000201c869ac$3477d8a0$60c00798@sarojnewlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Aaron, I went to the storage locker and did not find much as most of the presentations and papers were basically high level overview of VCL I did find a pdf file and PowerPoint presentation on the infrastructure and a word doc with the information given as bullet points. Which were the documents you wanted me to reviw/edit? Saroj -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To the extent that you agree with AACRAO's perspective-which is aligned with the general position of other higher education groups-we encourage each and every member to make a call to their HOUSE members with the following basic message. Support HR 4137 and the manager's amendment (amendment No. 1) Oppose the Shuler amendment (No. 27) to create state-based unit-record data systems. Support the Danny Davis amendment (No. 7) to restore a more equitable treatment of private student loans in bankruptcy. (Click here for background information and AACRAO's letter of support.) Support the two Tom Petri amendments (Nos. 4 & 5) to strengthen the student loan system. You can find your Representative's phone number by visiting the AACRAO Congressional Connection site and clicking "Elected Officials." Feel free to communicate your views on other amendments, but remember that you are only calling to register your position, not to debate the merits of it. The conversation will be fairly mechanical and dogmatic, so don't be disappointed if there are no follow up questions: the staff are simply tallying constituent views, which is why more calls are better. Thank them for their attention and let them know you anxiously await your representative's vote on the amendments. If you don't mind, please send a quick note to AACRAO to let us know that you called and who you called. We are pleased that the Rules Committee rejected the Gingrey amendment, so there is no need to oppose that proposal. American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions Officers One Dupont Circle, NW, Suite 520, Washington, D. C. 20036 202 293 9161 ------------------- -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:57 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Your support encouraged It is part of the College Opportunity and Affordability Act. I belive it was originally intended to be an amendment to the HEA. It is now a stand alone bill. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Martinengo Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:24 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Your support encouraged Ron, is this linked to the Higher Ed Act, or is it a stand-alone bill? On Feb 7, 2008 9:06 AM, Ron Stewart wrote: > > > > Good morning, > > A very important bill is up for a vote in the house that could have a > significant impact on our students. Please review the following: > http://edlabor.house.gov/micro/coaa.shtml > > and if you agree with its proposals I would encourage you to contact your > Congressional representative. > > https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml > > > > Ron Stewart > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From skeegan at htctu.net Thu Feb 7 11:02:16 2008 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Email products In-Reply-To: <47AACBD8.5B96.00E0.0@mail.und.nodak.edu> References: <7ACB33E28EE38643B0981025B3A95F8109C7AEDE@snhu-mail1.snhu.edu> <47AACBD8.5B96.00E0.0@mail.und.nodak.edu> Message-ID: <002001c869bb$f57f7170$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hi Gerry, > Has your campus gone to a product like Google apps or something equivalent? If you have, what? > The more important question is are there concerns with accessibility of these products? This came up several months ago on another list and I am re-posting some of the comments I made there. My comments specifically address the Google interface (Gmail) as I have not had a chance to really dive into other products (see John Foliot's message for others). I focused my comments at the time on JAWS (as that is what the original question asked), but have found similar experiences with all the screen-readers out there (e.g., Window-Eyes, Supernova, etc.). Each one has different advantages and customizations to improve the user experience, but the real issue is how the page is delivered so that AT can interact with the content. So, the short answer: Yes, there are issues. That being said, there are some workarounds that a student can use in order to improve the functionality between G-Mail and a screen-reader but it is not going to be "the same experience" a student not using a screen-reader. First, have the student enable "Basic HTML" after logging into the G-mail interface (this is a hyperlink at the bottom of the page). You can generally find this through the screen-reader's list of hyperlinks. While this does remove some of the "interactive" functionality, it does improve the user experience by adding headings to various menu items such that the user can jump around through the interface. There is also some hidden text a screen-reader will speak when first logging into G-mail that suggests if using a screen-reader to enable the basic HTML option. When using the basic HTML option, the message titles are hyperlinks and these can be browsed by using the list of hyperlinks. You can also "Tab" through the basic HTML interface as well. If tabbing around the interface, when you get to the messages you will hear information about a checkbox and the sender first, followed by the message title. This can generally be customized a bit by a screen-reader user (I have seen an elegant example of this with Supernova) to give you the same information in a different order. When viewing a message (in basic HTML mode), the subject will be a heading level 2 and the name of the sender will be a heading level 3, which means that you will then have to navigate through the To: and From: information, but at least you will not have to listen to the entire interface. What you can also do when viewing a message is to jump to the "Show Original" hyperlink - do not choose the "Activate Link" option in a screen-reader, rather just use the "Move to Link" option (each screen-reader calls this something a bit different). Suffice to say, all you want to do is navigate the virtual focus to this hyperlink, not activate it. This will jump you past the message To: and From: information and allow you to proceed directly into the message reply. When writing a message, make sure to enter forms mode in the text area to reply to a message. The text area is not very well labeled, but is just after the button marked "More Reply Options". This should get you started. There have been improvements in the G-mail interface, but (IMO) there could still be additional improvements to really enhance the usability when using a screen-reader or other AT. There is a group working on accessibility now at Google, but they are just starting to get their wheels rolling so it may still be a bit of time before we see any major developments. I know there is going to be a presence at CSUN, so it may be beneficial (if you are there) to comment about the need for accessible apps in the higher educational space. The accessibility team at Google is aware of several of the issues. However, I think it is *very* important to communicate these concerns to the Google representative your institution is working with. I have had conversations with a few that indicated they were not aware of how much an issue accessibility was at the higher ed level and how much of an effect it could have on product adoption (they may have heard of 508, but not all were aware of how it impacts a public higher-ed institution). If multiple people are clamoring for changes to improve accessibility, then that does have an impact when considering development priorities. The last consideration was to look at the option of IMAP support. There are some portable e-mail solutions (Thunderbird on USB drive) that may also be a consideration where the user could use this method to interact with Gmail (or any other IMAP solution). 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Dawn Dawn Hunziker Assistive Technology Coordinator University of Arizona Disability Resource Center 1224 E. Lowell St. P.O. Box 210095 Tucson, AZ 85721 (520) 626-9409 (520) 626-5500 (FAX) Web Page: http://drc.arizona.edu hunziker@email.arizona.edu From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Thu Feb 7 12:11:59 2008 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] [ATHEN] Personal High Speed Scanners In-Reply-To: <20080207200127.1C0D429280E@smtpgate.email.arizona.edu> References: <20080207200127.1C0D429280E@smtpgate.email.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <024701c869c5$b2552f20$16ff8d60$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> I would suggest the DR-2580c currently I think it is probably the best of the smale scanners. If a flatbed is needed then the 8270 Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Hunziker Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:01 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Personal High Speed Scanners Hi all, I'm working with a student at the University of Arizona who would like to purchase a personal high speed / document feeding scanner. She wants to use the scanner with Kurzweil 3000 and the scanners they list on their site are: 1. HP Scanjet 8270 Document Flatbed Scanner 2. HP Scanjet N7710 Document Sheet-feed Scanner 3. Canon Compact Document Scanner DR-2580C Do any of you have feedback on these scanners? Are there others that might be a better choice? Thanks for your suggestions! Dawn Dawn Hunziker Assistive Technology Coordinator University of Arizona Disability Resource Center 1224 E. Lowell St. P.O. Box 210095 Tucson, AZ 85721 (520) 626-9409 (520) 626-5500 (FAX) Web Page: http://drc.arizona.edu hunziker@email.arizona.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From norm.coombs at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 19:22:47 2008 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Wiki with technology links In-Reply-To: <008a01c7f3ed$7b8040f0$f26ffea9@laptop> References: <008a01c7f3ed$7b8040f0$f26ffea9@laptop> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20080207190958.020c9eb0@pop.gmail.com> Dear E.A: We recently had the British Association for the Blind purchase an institutional membership for our Webinar series. I wonder if you know about it? The contact person for us is: Kevin Russell kevin_russell@uk.ibm.com The Web site is: http://www.bcab.org.uk/ I am really interesting in letting some people in Britain use our Webinar system to broadcast accessibility-related information to people in Britain and even in Europe. Is it possible for you and Kevin to work together? Do you know a programmer named John White who is creating software for people with disabilities? I know there are other university people we can enlist, but we need a couple leaders. We would need to be sure that your uses of our system did not have a time and date conflict with our uses. We would expect you folk to do your own marketing to Britain and perhaps Europe for these events. I think all we would like is to get the names and email addresses of people who attend your items. We'd email them twice about EASI and our activities. If they wanted to be removed from our mailings, we'd do that. Is this something we can pursue??? Norm From norm.coombs at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 19:23:46 2008 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] sorry for subject line In-Reply-To: <008a01c7f3ed$7b8040f0$f26ffea9@laptop> References: <008a01c7f3ed$7b8040f0$f26ffea9@laptop> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20080207192255.02125250@pop.gmail.com> E.A: I am sorry that my last mail carried an old old subject line. I used old mail and reply to reach you. I forgot to change the subject. Norm From norm.coombs at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 20:02:20 2008 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Sorry for my mailing Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20080207200139.021381a0@pop.gmail.com> I am sorry that mail I intended to A.E. by mistake went to the list. Norm --------------------------------------------------- Norman Coombs, Ph.D. Laguna Hills CA (949) 855-4852 CEO EASI http://easi.cc EASI January 2008events http://easi.cc 5 exciting Webinars 3 of which are public and have no charge http://easi.cc/clinic.htm 2 online courses: Barrier-free Information Technology Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Podcasts and Vodcasts http://easi.cc/podcasts From hascherdss at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 06:50:44 2008 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Online accessible survey tool? Message-ID: <6e0d34c90802080650p13e2fc99n5534ff8cda5a7f0c@mail.gmail.com> Good morning all! We're wanting to put together an online evaluation for our students to use in evaluating our program. So I'm looking for the "best" online survey tool that is accessible. I'm aware that Survey Monkey isn't accessible. But it's been said that Survey Gizmo is accessible. True or not true? Any others that you prefer? As always, your assistance is appreciated and, I'm sure will be greatly valuable! Best wishes to all, Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tty) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sykesje at gvsu.edu Fri Feb 8 07:01:19 2008 From: sykesje at gvsu.edu (Jeffrey Sykes) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Online accessible survey tool? In-Reply-To: <6e0d34c90802080650p13e2fc99n5534ff8cda5a7f0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e0d34c90802080650p13e2fc99n5534ff8cda5a7f0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47AC2871.1839.0089.0@gvsu.edu> We have used Hosted Survey. http://www.hostedsurvey.com/home.html I can't say for sure that it's "the best", but it is accessible. Regards, Jeff Sykes Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Support Services Grand Valley State University >>> "Heidi Scher" 02/08/2008 9:50 AM >>> Good morning all! We're wanting to put together an online evaluation for our students to use in evaluating our program. So I'm looking for the "best" online survey tool that is accessible. I'm aware that Survey Monkey isn't accessible. But it's been said that Survey Gizmo is accessible. True or not true? Any others that you prefer? As always, your assistance is appreciated and, I'm sure will be greatly valuable! Best wishes to all, Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tty) From dick.banks at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 07:02:40 2008 From: dick.banks at gmail.com (Dick Banks) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Online accessible survey tool? In-Reply-To: <6e0d34c90802080650p13e2fc99n5534ff8cda5a7f0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e0d34c90802080650p13e2fc99n5534ff8cda5a7f0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6441e6a70802080702l682d4754ve9e147088b3bd68e@mail.gmail.com> Haven't had personal experience with this place, but might be worth a look. http://www.508surveys.com/ Dick On Feb 8, 2008 8:50 AM, Heidi Scher wrote: > Good morning all! > > We're wanting to put together an online evaluation for our students to use > in evaluating our program. So I'm looking for the "best" online survey tool > that is accessible. I'm aware that Survey Monkey isn't accessible. But > it's been said that Survey Gizmo is accessible. True or not true? Any > others that you prefer? > > As always, your assistance is appreciated and, I'm sure will be greatly > valuable! > > Best wishes to all, > > Heidi > > -- > > > > > Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC > > Interim Assistant Director > > Center for Educational Access > > University of Arkansas > > 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 > Fayetteville, AR 72701 > (479) 575-3104 (voice) > (479) 575-7445 (fax) > (479) 575-3646 (tty) > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- Dick Banks CTO - EASI: Equal Access to Software and Information Online Courses Starting Feb. 4 Syllabus for Barrier-free Web Design http://easi.cc/workshops/easiweb.htm From ron at ahead.org Fri Feb 8 08:08:01 2008 From: ron at ahead.org (ron@ahead.org) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Alt Format Survey Message-ID: <008d01c86a6c$ca033840$5e09a8c0$@org> Good morning, and please forgive my cross posting. Altformat.com, the international knowledge base project I am working on, is seeking folks to complete a short survey for them. Please visit: http://www.altformat.com/index.asp?pid=354 if you can find the time to provide them with this much needed feedback. Thanks Ron Stewart ********************************************************************* Ron Stewart, Chair AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group 231 Clarksville RD Suite 3 Princeton Junction, NJ 08550 Direct: 609 803-2174 Fax: 609 799-0475 ron@ahead.org http://www.ahead.org/etext/etext_main.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dina.rosenbaum at carroll.org Fri Feb 8 08:23:23 2008 From: dina.rosenbaum at carroll.org (Dina Rosenbaum) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Online accessible survey tool? In-Reply-To: <6e0d34c90802080650p13e2fc99n5534ff8cda5a7f0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e0d34c90802080650p13e2fc99n5534ff8cda5a7f0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47AC81FB.4090209@carroll.org> The Carroll Center for the Blind has just begun to use Survey Gizmo and we are very happy with it. Our webmaster would not use it unless it worked well with JAWS and Zoomtext. Heidi Scher wrote: > Good morning all! > > We're wanting to put together an online evaluation for our students to > use in evaluating our program. So I'm looking for the "best" online > survey tool that is accessible. I'm aware that Survey Monkey isn't > accessible. But it's been said that Survey Gizmo is accessible. True > or not true? Any others that you prefer? > > As always, your assistance is appreciated and, I'm sure will be > greatly valuable! > > Best wishes to all, > > Heidi > > -- > > Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC > > Interim Assistant Director > > Center for Educational Access > > University of Arkansas > > 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 > Fayetteville, AR 72701 > (479) 575-3104 (voice) > (479) 575-7445 (fax) > (479) 575-3646 (tty) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -- Dina Rosenbaum Carroll Center for the BLind 770 Centre St, Newton, MA 02459 800-852-3131 www.carroll.org www.carrolltech.org From alice.anderson at doit.wisc.edu Fri Feb 8 08:39:36 2008 From: alice.anderson at doit.wisc.edu (Alice Anderson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] email preferences for people using AT - multi-part mime In-Reply-To: <002a01c8625a$f6791c10$e36b5430$@info> References: <01db01c86214$08c2c7f0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> <015101c8621e$9d358350$d7a089f0$%stewart@dolphinusa.com> <002a01c8625a$f6791c10$e36b5430$@info> Message-ID: <9C428556-8F7E-4480-9D38-241CEDC0B445@doit.wisc.edu> >> All .. there is an interesting discussion/debate about email and what is the preference for people using assistive technology. Points being debated: a. As far as accessibility, plain ASCII text is always the most "accessible", in the context of email, period. I don't think there is much more to say. b. Not to burst your bubble (I too prefer plain text emails) but wouldn't HTML links to embedded anchors within the content of messages with lots of content be *more* accessible than forcing a screen reader to go through the plain text linearly? c. I think it can be argue that if you do have links, then HTML may be accessible in the "accessibility" sense, but if you're simply trying to convey information in the absence of of hyperlinks, plain text is always the most "accessible" in the broadest set of circumstances. Also, I don't think that many of these types of messages in question that may be HTML are using organizational anchors within the content... are ATHEN folks able to give input? thanks in advance, alice Alice Anderson TECHNOLOGY ACCESSIBILITY PROGRAM Division of Information Technology (DoIT) University of Wisconsin-Madison 1210 West Dayton Street (3124) Madison, WI 53706 Telephone: 608.262.2129 From ron at ahead.org Fri Feb 8 08:42:30 2008 From: ron at ahead.org (ron@ahead.org) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Online accessible survey tool? In-Reply-To: <47AC81FB.4090209@carroll.org> References: <6e0d34c90802080650p13e2fc99n5534ff8cda5a7f0c@mail.gmail.com> <47AC81FB.4090209@carroll.org> Message-ID: <00c401c86a71$999581e0$ccc085a0$@org> Well that's a start, now what about the rest of the other major AT products on the market? As many have found out the hard way working with JAWS and Zoomtext does not insure accessibility. It only insures access for users of JAWS and Zoomtext. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Dina Rosenbaum Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:23 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Online accessible survey tool? The Carroll Center for the Blind has just begun to use Survey Gizmo and we are very happy with it. Our webmaster would not use it unless it worked well with JAWS and Zoomtext. Heidi Scher wrote: > Good morning all! > > We're wanting to put together an online evaluation for our students to > use in evaluating our program. So I'm looking for the "best" online > survey tool that is accessible. I'm aware that Survey Monkey isn't > accessible. But it's been said that Survey Gizmo is accessible. True > or not true? Any others that you prefer? > > As always, your assistance is appreciated and, I'm sure will be > greatly valuable! > > Best wishes to all, > > Heidi > > -- > > Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC > > Interim Assistant Director > > Center for Educational Access > > University of Arkansas > > 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 > Fayetteville, AR 72701 > (479) 575-3104 (voice) > (479) 575-7445 (fax) > (479) 575-3646 (tty) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -- Dina Rosenbaum Carroll Center for the BLind 770 Centre St, Newton, MA 02459 800-852-3131 www.carroll.org www.carrolltech.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ea at emptech.info Fri Feb 8 08:50:37 2008 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Alt Format Survey In-Reply-To: <008d01c86a6c$ca033840$5e09a8c0$@org> References: <008d01c86a6c$ca033840$5e09a8c0$@org> Message-ID: <008401c86a72$bb660320$32320960$@info> Do you want this spread wider afield or will we in UK get a call later? Should we cut this section out of the ATHEN survey? Will the results be available to us all? Best wishes E.A. From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of ron@ahead.org Sent: 08 February 2008 16:08 To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'; 'Alternate Media'; e-grads@ahead-lists.org; DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: [Athen] Alt Format Survey Good morning, and please forgive my cross posting.? Altformat.com, the international knowledge base project I am working on, is seeking folks to complete a short survey for them.? Please visit: http://www.altformat.com/index.asp?pid=354? if you can find the time to provide them with this much needed feedback. Thanks Ron Stewart ********************************************************************* Ron Stewart, Chair AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group 231 Clarksville RD Suite 3 Princeton Junction, NJ 08550 Direct: 609 803-2174 Fax: 609 799-0475 ron@ahead.org http://www.ahead.org/etext/etext_main.htm No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 07/02/2008 11:17 From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Fri Feb 8 08:58:30 2008 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Alt Format Survey In-Reply-To: <008401c86a72$bb660320$32320960$@info> References: <008d01c86a6c$ca033840$5e09a8c0$@org> <008401c86a72$bb660320$32320960$@info> Message-ID: <00cd01c86a73$d5445e30$7fcd1a90$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> This effort it US based, not sure if it is going to be replicated in the UK. I would think that ATHEN would want their own data, I am not going to modify the AHEAD survey at all due to this. I am not sure how the final data will be disiminated at this point, we will have to see what the n is first. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:51 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Alt Format Survey Do you want this spread wider afield or will we in UK get a call later? Should we cut this section out of the ATHEN survey? Will the results be available to us all? Best wishes E.A. From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of ron@ahead.org Sent: 08 February 2008 16:08 To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'; 'Alternate Media'; e-grads@ahead-lists.org; DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: [Athen] Alt Format Survey Good morning, and please forgive my cross posting.? Altformat.com, the international knowledge base project I am working on, is seeking folks to complete a short survey for them.? Please visit: http://www.altformat.com/index.asp?pid=354? if you can find the time to provide them with this much needed feedback. Thanks Ron Stewart ********************************************************************* Ron Stewart, Chair AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group 231 Clarksville RD Suite 3 Princeton Junction, NJ 08550 Direct: 609 803-2174 Fax: 609 799-0475 ron@ahead.org http://www.ahead.org/etext/etext_main.htm No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1265 - Release Date: 07/02/2008 11:17 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From mikegibson at boisestate.edu Fri Feb 8 12:13:07 2008 From: mikegibson at boisestate.edu (Mike Gibson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Email products In-Reply-To: <47AACBD8.5B96.00E0.0@mail.und.nodak.edu> References: <7ACB33E28EE38643B0981025B3A95F8109C7AEDE@snhu-mail1.snhu.edu> <47AACBD8.5B96.00E0.0@mail.und.nodak.edu> Message-ID: <002901c86a8f$058d8f10$f487b284@boisestate.edu> Our Campus is getting ready to move student email accounts to Google. The IT Dept. say they are building a custom web interface front-end with the google apps running behind the scene. I have yet to see anything to evaluate. The administration's thought is if the student accounts workout then they will start moving faculty and staff over next year. It should be an interesting transition. Regards, Mike Gibson Assistive Technology Coordinator Boise State University 1910 University Dr. Boise, ID 83725-1375 Phone: (208) 426-1583 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Nies Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:14 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Email products Our campus is looking at out-sourcing our student email. So I have a couple of questions. Has your campus gone to a product like Google apps or something equivalent? If you have, what? The more important question is are there concerns with accessibility of these products? Thanks Gerry Nies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marks at mso.umt.edu Fri Feb 8 13:02:36 2008 From: marks at mso.umt.edu (Marks, Jim) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Email products In-Reply-To: <002901c86a8f$058d8f10$f487b284@boisestate.edu> References: <7ACB33E28EE38643B0981025B3A95F8109C7AEDE@snhu-mail1.snhu.edu><47AACBD8.5B96.00E0.0@mail.und.nodak.edu> <002901c86a8f$058d8f10$f487b284@boisestate.edu> Message-ID: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A94B59B@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> Jaws 9 works nicely with GMail in either its Standard or Basic layout. Freedom Scientific added GMail scripts in the version 9 release. I am blind, and us GMail as my main personal e-mail service. Developments in access occur so rapidly it's hard to keep up. I understand that the Yahoo e-mail is causing some significant screen reader access problems now. BTW, I also use MSN and hotmail as well. Both of these work fine with Jaws 9. Jim Marks Director of Disability Services University of Montana jim.marks@umontana.edu http://www.umt.edu/dss/ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Mike Gibson Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:13 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Email products Our Campus is getting ready to move student email accounts to Google. The IT Dept. say they are building a custom web interface front-end with the google apps running behind the scene. I have yet to see anything to evaluate. The administration's thought is if the student accounts workout then they will start moving faculty and staff over next year. It should be an interesting transition. Regards, Mike Gibson Assistive Technology Coordinator Boise State University 1910 University Dr. Boise, ID 83725-1375 Phone: (208) 426-1583 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Nies Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:14 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Email products Our campus is looking at out-sourcing our student email. So I have a couple of questions. Has your campus gone to a product like Google apps or something equivalent? If you have, what? The more important question is are there concerns with accessibility of these products? Thanks Gerry Nies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jfoliot at stanford.edu Mon Feb 11 09:53:15 2008 From: jfoliot at stanford.edu (John Foliot - Stanford Online Accessibility Program) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: [OpenCast] [Fwd: Re: iTunes U and accessibility] Message-ID: <00f101c86cd6$fac53b10$b53c42ab@stanford.edu> FYI - has anyone seen this before? Any reports? Adam Hochman wrote: > a colleague from Apple pointed out that for the Windows version of > iTunes there is a JAWS plug-in. > http://www.tandt-consultancy.com/j-tunes.html > (If anyone is interested in the Opencast project: http://tinyurl.com/yr44ad) JF =================================== John Foliot Academic Technology Consultant Stanford Online Accessibility Program http://soap.stanford.edu Stanford University Tel: 650-862-4603 =================================== From accessible.text at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 13:00:23 2008 From: accessible.text at gmail.com (Robert Martinengo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Content Magazine - down but not out? Message-ID: <9edf8160802111300l5c105209yd820b9aab62dfac6@mail.gmail.com> I noticed the web site for Accessible Content Magazine has been updated, after a few years of dormancy. It appears they want to get a new issue out for CSUN 2008. It would be great if this magazine would resume regular publication - we could use something like this. http://www.accessiblecontent.com/index.php?view=home From dhayman at u.washington.edu Mon Feb 11 13:22:15 2008 From: dhayman at u.washington.edu (Doug Hayman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Vista ready for primetime with AT? Message-ID: Athenites, Each year I buy about 20 computers for our student participants and load them with AT to suit their needs. I went with XP last year as Vista was then brand new. Is Vista suitable at this point to run well with all the usual AT [JAWS, ZoomText, WYNN, Dragon Naturally Speaking]? I think I can still get XP up until June of this year but know that eventually I'll have to adjust to Vista. Doug Hayman Technology Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 355670 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit From alpuzz at msu.edu Mon Feb 11 14:05:05 2008 From: alpuzz at msu.edu (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Vista ready for primetime with AT? References: Message-ID: Hi Doug, Last summer, we rolled out thirty Vista equipped computers, which are being used for Alternative Text production , as well as in our Tech lab. We are running latest versions of Jaws, Kurzweil 1000 and 3000, Zoomtext, Duxbury and Dragon Naturally speaking. To date, our machines have been quite stable. The machines in question are Del Optiplex 745 systems with 4 gigs of ram.So in short, if you run Vista on current hardware with the most up to date AT, I would expect things should be fine. If you would like any further info as to the particulars of our setup, please let me know. Thanks, Al Puzzuoli Information Technologist Michigan State University Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities 517-884-1915 120 Bessey Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 http://www.rcpd.msu.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Doug Hayman Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:22 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Vista ready for primetime with AT? Athenites, Each year I buy about 20 computers for our student participants and load them with AT to suit their needs. I went with XP last year as Vista was then brand new. Is Vista suitable at this point to run well with all the usual AT [JAWS, ZoomText, WYNN, Dragon Naturally Speaking]? I think I can still get XP up until June of this year but know that eventually I'll have to adjust to Vista. Doug Hayman Technology Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 355670 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From edward at ngtvoice.com Mon Feb 11 14:07:29 2008 From: edward at ngtvoice.com (Ed. Rosenthal) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Vista ready for primetime with AT? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201c86cfa$8d08d810$a71a8830$@com> Doug- we've been building with Vista for a while now. Much mainstream AT is now supporting (supported by?) Vista. Certainly the ones you've nemtioned below are working on Vista. There has been some discussion about User Account Control (UAC) being turned off to support some AT. I'd prefer to leave it on if at all possible. You'll also find a number of AT technologies moving forward with their support of Windows UI Automation found in Office 2007.-ed. Edward S. Rosenthal, President and CEO, Next Generation Technologies Inc. 20006 Cedar Valley Rd. #101, Lynnwood, WA 98036 Phone: 425-744-1100 extension 15; Fax: 425-778-5547 E-Mail: edward@ngtvoice.com Skype: ed.rosenthal7 WWW: ngtvoice.com This document may have been generated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking ver. 9 speech recognition software. Please disregard any remaining misrecognitions. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Doug Hayman Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:22 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Vista ready for primetime with AT? Athenites, Each year I buy about 20 computers for our student participants and load them with AT to suit their needs. I went with XP last year as Vista was then brand new. Is Vista suitable at this point to run well with all the usual AT [JAWS, ZoomText, WYNN, Dragon Naturally Speaking]? I think I can still get XP up until June of this year but know that eventually I'll have to adjust to Vista. Doug Hayman Technology Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 355670 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From skeegan at htctu.net Mon Feb 11 15:42:52 2008 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: [OpenCast] [Fwd: Re: iTunes U and accessibility] In-Reply-To: <00f101c86cd6$fac53b10$b53c42ab@stanford.edu> References: <00f101c86cd6$fac53b10$b53c42ab@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <005201c86d07$d22f1a00$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> > a colleague from Apple pointed out that for the Windows version of > iTunes there is a JAWS plug-in. > http://www.tandt-consultancy.com/j-tunes.html I have not had a chance to play with this version of J-Tunes, but will be downloading and playing with the demo version soon. While it is great that there is support for a screen-reader and iTunes, it is important to note that this "accessibility support" is not built into iTunes. Rather, accessibility is via scripting provided by a third-party for which the user must pay. It only works for specific versions of JAWS and iTunes. My question is what happens when one of those two specific versions need to be upgraded - will the scripting still continue to work or does the user now have to pay an upgrade fee in order to get back functionality. Don't get me wrong - if that is what people are happy with, then fine by me. However, I have heard some various vendor representatives make general comments about iTunes now being accessible on the Windows platform and I think that is not quite the *whole* truth. Take care, Sean From burke at ucla.edu Mon Feb 11 15:58:56 2008 From: burke at ucla.edu (Patrick Burke) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: [OpenCast] [Fwd: Re: iTunes U and accessibility] In-Reply-To: <005201c86d07$d22f1a00$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <00f101c86cd6$fac53b10$b53c42ab@stanford.edu> <005201c86d07$d22f1a00$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080211155155.024617a0@ucla.edu> iTunes 7.6.029 + Jaws 9.0.519 + J-Tunes are working at least as well as they were when I tested last spring/summer. Since then, pgrade from Jaws 8 to 9 (incl. importing of J-Tunes scripts) went smoothly. There are constant (biweekly?) updates to iTunes. So Sean's points about version compatibility & built-in access remain very important. But so far with J-Tunes we have been lucky. ... Patrick At 03:42 PM 2/11/2008, Sean Keegan wrote: > > a colleague from Apple pointed out that for the Windows version of > > iTunes there is a JAWS plug-in. > > http://www.tandt-consultancy.com/j-tunes.html > >I have not had a chance to play with this version of J-Tunes, but will be >downloading and playing with the demo version soon. > >While it is great that there is support for a screen-reader and iTunes, it >is important to note that this "accessibility support" is not built into >iTunes. Rather, accessibility is via scripting provided by a third-party >for which the user must pay. It only works for specific versions of JAWS >and iTunes. My question is what happens when one of those two specific >versions need to be upgraded - will the scripting still continue to work or >does the user now have to pay an upgrade fee in order to get back >functionality. > >Don't get me wrong - if that is what people are happy with, then fine by me. >However, I have heard some various vendor representatives make general >comments about iTunes now being accessible on the Windows platform and I >think that is not quite the *whole* truth. > >Take care, >Sean > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke ucla. edu From Glenda at webaccessibility.biz Mon Feb 11 16:59:06 2008 From: Glenda at webaccessibility.biz (Glenda Watson Hyatt - Soaring Eagle Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Content Magazine - down but not out? In-Reply-To: <9edf8160802111300l5c105209yd820b9aab62dfac6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Robert, Good news! Yes, Matt Van Voorde, the editor/publisher, is resuming AccessibleContent in April '08 and then quarterly. Watch for my article in the next issue. Cheers, Glenda Glenda Watson Hyatt, The Left Thumb Blogger Author of I'll Do It Myself Blog: www.doitmyselfblog.com Email: Glenda@BooksbyGlenda.com Facebook: http://profile.to/GlendaWatsonHyatt/ Skype: Glenda.Watson.Hyatt (text only, please) Twitter: http://twitter.com/GlendaWH -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Martinengo Sent: February 11, 2008 1:00 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessible Content Magazine - down but not out? I noticed the web site for Accessible Content Magazine has been updated, after a few years of dormancy. It appears they want to get a new issue out for CSUN 2008. It would be great if this magazine would resume regular publication - we could use something like this. http://www.accessiblecontent.com/index.php?view=home _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1272 - Release Date: 11/02/2008 5:28 PM From KCarini at matcmadison.edu Tue Feb 12 09:02:38 2008 From: KCarini at matcmadison.edu (Kevin Carini) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Machine Tool Shop Accessibility Message-ID: <20080212T110238Z_03B800020000@matcmadison.edu> Hello Everyone, Has anyone had any experience in modifying machine tools such as lathes, drill presses, etc. or the existing shop area for students in wheelchairs? We have a student in a wheelchair with paraplegia who needs to operate lathes and drill presses for the Machine Tool program here at the tech college. The biggest issue is reach. He is not able to reach some of the control handles on the machines. There is room for the student to maneuver around the machines, but the machines are pretty close together so safety is our number one concern. Any ideas would be helpful. Thank you for your time. Kevin M. Carini MS, CRC DRS Specialist kcarini@matcmadison.edu (608) 243-4612 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Tue Feb 12 15:30:48 2008 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Sharing booth at CSUN Message-ID: <006501c86dcf$4c26acc0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Hey All: I'm planning again to rent an exhibit booth at CSUN. Is ATHEN interested in sharing a booth? I know some of you are down on CSUN but I still think it's a good marketing venue. I believe 4 conference passes come with the booth so if ATHEN could share the cost of the booth, it could save 1 or 2 of you the cost of the registration fee. Let me know if anyone is interested. Thanks, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Tue Feb 12 20:15:21 2008 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Sharing booth at CSUN In-Reply-To: <006501c86dcf$4c26acc0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <479AE6BF000027B8@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Hi all Athenites, I will be attending CSUN and will be happy to volunteer to help (wo)man the booth for AHG & ATHEN, hand out info., etc. Let me know if there will be a sign up sheet for times you all will need help. Blessings, Wink >-- Original Message -- >From: Howard Kramer >To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:30:48 -0700 >Subject: [Athen] Sharing booth at CSUN >Reply-To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > >Hey All: > > > >I'm planning again to rent an exhibit booth at CSUN. Is ATHEN interested >in >sharing a booth? I know some of you are down on CSUN but I still think it's >a good marketing venue. I believe 4 conference passes come with the booth >so >if ATHEN could share the cost of the booth, it could save 1 or 2 of you the >cost of the registration fee. Let me know if anyone is interested. > > > >Thanks, > >Howard > > > > > > > >Howard Kramer >Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator >AT Conference Coordinator >Disability Services >CU-Boulder, 107 UCB >Boulder, Co 80309 >303-492-8672 > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Tue Feb 12 22:37:02 2008 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Sharing booth at CSUN Message-ID: <20080212233702.ABH59501@superman.int.colorado.edu> Thanks Wink - I'll keep you updated. -Howard From dann at digilifemedia.biz Wed Feb 13 07:08:38 2008 From: dann at digilifemedia.biz (dann) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Sharing booth at CSUN References: <006501c86dcf$4c26acc0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FCC9@trinity.trinityumc.local> I will be coming in on Wednesday, presenting on Tuesday and attending on Friday. I would like to help out at the table scheduling permitting. How much time does one need to commit in order to snag one of the free passes? --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Howard Kramer Sent: Tue 2/12/2008 6:30 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Sharing booth at CSUN Hey All: I'm planning again to rent an exhibit booth at CSUN. Is ATHEN interested in sharing a booth? I know some of you are down on CSUN but I still think it's a good marketing venue. I believe 4 conference passes come with the booth so if ATHEN could share the cost of the booth, it could save 1 or 2 of you the cost of the registration fee. Let me know if anyone is interested. 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So, is there an International Date Line that you will be crossing at some point to arrive the day after you present? sean From dann at digilifemedia.biz Wed Feb 13 08:47:45 2008 From: dann at digilifemedia.biz (dann) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Sharing booth at CSUN Message-ID: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A71242B9@trinity.trinityumc.local> Oops - I meant that I am presenting on Thursday. On Tuesday of that week I an presenting at Nercomp (educause) in Rhode Island Daniel Berkowitz Digilife Media, LLC (email) dann@digilifemedia.biz (mobile) 978-914-4601 ++sent via mobile device++ ----- Original Message ----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org To: athen@athenpro.org Sent: Wed Feb 13 10:25:53 2008 Subject: Re: [Athen] Sharing booth at CSUN > I will be coming in on Wednesday, presenting on Tuesday and > attending on Friday. So, is there an International Date Line that you will be crossing at some point to arrive the day after you present? sean _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From helen_ostrander at wvm.edu Wed Feb 13 10:02:58 2008 From: helen_ostrander at wvm.edu (Helen Ostrander) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] (athen) Policy for Nursing Question Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080213095814.025b4fe0@wvmccd.cc.ca.us> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Wed Feb 13 14:18:09 2008 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Job Posting at SFSU In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080213095814.025b4fe0@wvmccd.cc.ca.us> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20080213095814.025b4fe0@wvmccd.cc.ca.us> Message-ID: <015b01c86e8e$515140b0$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> San Francisco State University (part of the California State University system) The DACA is a new position that will report to the Assistant Director of Information Access Services in the Disability Programs & Resource Center (DPRC) at SF State and is responsible for providing the campus with technical assistance in complying with Federal and State disability-access laws and CSU disability-access policies and guidelines. These laws, policies and guidelines affect electronic and information technology (E&IT), the physical environment and all programmatic/policy activities. Go to SF Careers to learn more about this opportunity (JOB ID #1495) posted on 02/04/08. Note that the original application deadline was 2/18/08, and I've extended it to 03/03/08. It will be extended even longer if necessary. The Accessible Technology Training Consultant is also a new position that will report to the Assistant Director of Information Access Services in the Disability Programs & Resource Center (DPRC) at SF State. Primary responsibilities include the coordination of training users with disabilities to access adaptive technology, training information providers to create accessible technology and electronic resources, and taking the lead in collaborating with campus stakeholders on training projects related to the California State University (CSU) Accessible Technology Initiative (ATI). Go to SF Careers to learn more about this opportunity (JOB ID #1515) posted on 02/11/08 and is scheduled to close on 02/25/08. The application deadline will be extended if necessary. Questions can be directed to Geoff Brown in the Disability Programs & Resource Center at SF State at 415-338-2377 or gbrown@sfsu.edu. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pratikp1 at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 02:55:30 2008 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: [OpenCast] [Fwd: Re: iTunes U and accessibility] In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080211155155.024617a0@ucla.edu> References: <00f101c86cd6$fac53b10$b53c42ab@stanford.edu> <005201c86d07$d22f1a00$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20080211155155.024617a0@ucla.edu> Message-ID: <010101c86ef8$1ee5a390$5cb0eab0$@com> Why should I pay nearly $100 for a set of scripts for access that costs nothing for anyone else? That is the main question. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Burke Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:59 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: [OpenCast] [Fwd: Re: iTunes U and accessibility] iTunes 7.6.029 + Jaws 9.0.519 + J-Tunes are working at least as well as they were when I tested last spring/summer. Since then, pgrade from Jaws 8 to 9 (incl. importing of J-Tunes scripts) went smoothly. There are constant (biweekly?) updates to iTunes. So Sean's points about version compatibility & built-in access remain very important. But so far with J-Tunes we have been lucky. ... Patrick At 03:42 PM 2/11/2008, Sean Keegan wrote: > > a colleague from Apple pointed out that for the Windows version of > > iTunes there is a JAWS plug-in. > > http://www.tandt-consultancy.com/j-tunes.html > >I have not had a chance to play with this version of J-Tunes, but will be >downloading and playing with the demo version soon. > >While it is great that there is support for a screen-reader and iTunes, it >is important to note that this "accessibility support" is not built into >iTunes. Rather, accessibility is via scripting provided by a third-party >for which the user must pay. It only works for specific versions of JAWS >and iTunes. My question is what happens when one of those two specific >versions need to be upgraded - will the scripting still continue to work or >does the user now have to pay an upgrade fee in order to get back >functionality. > >Don't get me wrong - if that is what people are happy with, then fine by me. >However, I have heard some various vendor representatives make general >comments about iTunes now being accessible on the Windows platform and I >think that is not quite the *whole* truth. > >Take care, >Sean > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke ucla. edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From hascherdss at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 10:22:20 2008 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Blackboard accessibility info Message-ID: <6e0d34c90802141022m368df7ddld45966bfbc6af87a@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I just saw the below question posted to the DSSHE listserv. Is there someone from ATHEN who might contact this individual - someone who is working on the SIG related to Blackboard/WebCT? Heidi Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:54:08 -0700 From: Alberto Guzman Subject: Sending comments to the fellows of Blackboard DSSHE listers: good morning! A group within the Disability and Human Development = Department at the University of Illinois at Chicago, would like to = compile a list of accessibility related issues with the Blackboard = system, in order to initiate a dialogue with this company. I will = greatly appreciate if you can share with me what are your access = difficulties with Blackboard, either from a user or manager's = perspective. You can reply privately or to the list. I will be = compiling your comments until Tuesday, Feb. 19th., shortly after I will = send a summary to the list. Thanks for your assistance and have a great day! Alberto Guzman=20 Disability and Human Development 1640 W. Roosevelt Road Chicago, IL 60608 aguzma1@uic.edu =20 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Hadi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heidi Scher" To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: [Athen] Blackboard accessibility info > Hi all, > > I just saw the below question posted to the DSSHE listserv. Is there > someone from ATHEN who might contact this individual - someone who is > working on the SIG related to Blackboard/WebCT? > > Heidi > > > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:54:08 -0700 > From: Alberto Guzman > Subject: Sending comments to the fellows of Blackboard > > DSSHE listers: > > good morning! A group within the Disability and Human Development = > Department at the University of Illinois at Chicago, would like to = > compile a list of accessibility related issues with the Blackboard = > system, in order to initiate a dialogue with this company. I will = > greatly appreciate if you can share with me what are your access = > difficulties with Blackboard, either from a user or manager's = > perspective. You can reply privately or to the list. I will be = > compiling your comments until Tuesday, Feb. 19th., shortly after I will = > send a summary to the list. > > Thanks for your assistance and have a great day! > > Alberto Guzman=20 > Disability and Human Development > 1640 W. Roosevelt Road > Chicago, IL 60608 > aguzma1@uic.edu =20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From hascherdss at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 14:31:08 2008 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Blackboard accessibility info In-Reply-To: <016901c86f58$1c9d1180$e15dae80@ita16> References: <6e0d34c90802141022m368df7ddld45966bfbc6af87a@mail.gmail.com> <016901c86f58$1c9d1180$e15dae80@ita16> Message-ID: <6e0d34c90802141431p1a20bcf4qe1315a76a5b11616@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for letting me know, Hadi! Too bad he's not interested in the power of working collaboratively to resolve such issues! Take care, Heidi On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Hadi Rangin wrote: > Hi Heidi, > > I tried to reach Alberto via one of our colleagues at UIC and invited him > to > work with our blackboard/WebCT Accessibility Interest Group > (http://cita.uiuc.edu/collaborate/blackboard) which some of our AThenpro > colleagues are part of it. He wrote to my colleague at UIC and it seems he > is very frustrated with the accessibility of BB and apparently not > interested to work collaboratively on identifying and resolving > accessibility issues he is facing with BB product. > > Thanks, > Hadi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heidi Scher" > To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:22 PM > Subject: [Athen] Blackboard accessibility info > > > > Hi all, > > > > I just saw the below question posted to the DSSHE listserv. Is there > > someone from ATHEN who might contact this individual - someone who is > > working on the SIG related to Blackboard/WebCT? > > > > Heidi > > > > > > Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:54:08 -0700 > > From: Alberto Guzman > > Subject: Sending comments to the fellows of Blackboard > > > > DSSHE listers: > > > > good morning! A group within the Disability and Human Development = > > Department at the University of Illinois at Chicago, would like to = > > compile a list of accessibility related issues with the Blackboard = > > system, in order to initiate a dialogue with this company. I will = > > greatly appreciate if you can share with me what are your access = > > difficulties with Blackboard, either from a user or manager's = > > perspective. You can reply privately or to the list. 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Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Fri Feb 15 16:41:13 2008 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] ouch - all the CSUN booths are sold out Message-ID: <002701c87034$acd37a50$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> CSUN is sold out of exhibitor spaces. Any help giving out AHG conference flyers for those presenting at the conference would be appreciated. I can send you an e-copy or give you hard copies at the conference. For those willing to do this, let me know your preference. Terry, can we set out one stack of flyers in the DO-IT/Access-IT booth? We won't be able to give away a stuffed Ralphie this year - very sad. 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Any help giving out AHG conference flyers for those presenting at the conference would be appreciated. I can send you an e-copy or give you hard copies at the conference. For those willing to do this, let me know your preference. Terry, can we set out one stack of flyers in the DO-IT/Access-IT booth? We won?t be able to give away a stuffed Ralphie this year ? very sad. Thanks, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at htctu.net Fri Feb 15 19:55:17 2008 From: skeegan at htctu.net (skeegan@htctu.net) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] ouch - all the CSUN booths are sold out In-Reply-To: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A71242C6@trinity.trinityumc.local> References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A71242C6@trinity.trinityumc.local> Message-ID: <20080215225517.x6zfkcstk4swokgo@sheridan.swishmail.com> Howard, Send me the information as well. We can post it at the ATHEN site. sean Quoting dann : > Do send me the PDF and I will talk it up. So much for the free admission :-( > > > Poor Ralphie... > > > Daniel Berkowitz > Digilife Media, LLC > (email) dann@digilifemedia.biz > (mobile) 978-914-4601 > ++sent via mobile device++ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Sent: Fri Feb 15 18:41:13 2008 > Subject: [Athen] ouch - all the CSUN booths are sold out > > CSUN is sold out of exhibitor spaces. Any help giving out AHG > conference flyers for those presenting at the conference would be > appreciated. I can send you an e-copy or give you hard copies at the > conference. For those willing to do this, let me know your > preference. > > > > Terry, can we set out one stack of flyers in the DO-IT/Access-IT booth? > > > > We won?t be able to give away a stuffed Ralphie this year ? very sad. > > > > Thanks, > > Howard > > > > Howard Kramer > Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator > AT Conference Coordinator > Disability Services > CU-Boulder, 107 UCB > Boulder, Co 80309 > 303-492-8672 > > > > From Dave.M.Thomas at studentlife.du.edu Mon Feb 18 15:20:12 2008 From: Dave.M.Thomas at studentlife.du.edu (Dave M. Thomas) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board Message-ID: Greetings! I write to you to solicit input and recommendations concerning capturing information from a board (blackboard, white board, etc.) for students with vision loss. What I know I need to investigate includes: SmartBoards Clarity Camera CarryMate Onyx I am also wondering about using Math Type with one of these devices and/or using captioning. This is for a Calculus class and ideally I'd like to figure out a solution that we can use well into the future and for a variety of classes and for various disabilities including vision loss, learning disabilities, TBIs, etc. Thanks in advance for any and all advice you have for me. Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmhaven at stanford.edu Mon Feb 18 20:38:33 2008 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Dave! How about this: a mimio Capture Kit outfitted with a mimio Wireless Module , allowing the students in question to adapt the mimio display of the board on their laptop to meet their particular needs. Added advantages: I believe the students ought to be able to annotate the image, too, as well as "tag" (capture snapshots of) the board for later reference. Truly UDL, and it works with any whiteboard up to 8 feet by 4 feet. - Shelley >Content-type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="Boundary_(ID_XCJ8Ne09EbJrkC02U5+peA)" >Content-class: urn:content-classes:message > >Greetings! > >I write to you to solicit input and recommendations concerning >capturing information from a board (blackboard, white board, etc.) >for students with vision loss. What I know I need to investigate >includes: > >SmartBoards >Clarity Camera >CarryMate >Onyx > >I am also wondering about using Math Type with one of these devices >and/or using captioning. This is for a Calculus class and ideally >I'd like to figure out a solution that we can use well into the >future and for a variety of classes and for various disabilities >including vision loss, learning disabilities, TBIs, etc. > >Thanks in advance for any and all advice you have for me. > >Dave > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Mon Feb 18 21:51:51 2008 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <479AE6BF0000338B@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Hi Athenites, I would like to add to Shelley's rapt endorsement of Mimio: to encourage the use of the technology built into the SMARTBOARD. You will need laptop or computer in the classroom. The SMARTBOARD takes a photo of what's written on the board. These snapshots of what's written on the board are saved to the laptop/computer as JPEG images. With a direct connection to the SMARTBOARD, the student can see & then save the images and view in enlarged size(s) on the laptop/computer. For the advantage of the whole class, if the instructor is using the SMARTBOARD with a laptop/computer, s/he can save each class's boards as a series of JPEG images and post on the dept. website, class's Blackboard or WEBCT for future study sessions or classes, etc., making it accessible for one and available to all. Mimio gives the student ability to be completely independent in using the accommodation. The instructor is key in the use of SMARTBOARD technology yet adds a great deal towards the integration of universal design techniques. Both have advantages. I guess in weighing one versus the other would depend on the limitation of the student's vision and ability to manipulate the Mimio camera and evaluate which would be the best choice. Hope this is helpful! Blessings, Wink >-- Original Message -- >Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:38:33 -0800 >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >From: Shelley Haven >Subject: Re: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board >Reply-To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > >Hi, Dave! > >How about this: a mimio Capture Kit > outfitted with a >mimio Wireless Module >, allowing the >students in question to adapt the mimio display of the board on their >laptop to meet their particular needs. Added advantages: I believe >the students ought to be able to annotate the image, too, as well as >"tag" (capture snapshots of) the board for later reference. Truly >UDL, and it works with any whiteboard up to 8 feet by 4 feet. > >- Shelley > > > >>Content-type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="Boundary_(ID_XCJ8Ne09EbJrkC02U5+peA)" >>Content-class: urn:content-classes:message >> >>Greetings! >> >>I write to you to solicit input and recommendations concerning >>capturing information from a board (blackboard, white board, etc.) >>for students with vision loss. What I know I need to investigate >>includes: >> >>SmartBoards >>Clarity Camera >>CarryMate >>Onyx >> >>I am also wondering about using Math Type with one of these devices >>and/or using captioning. This is for a Calculus class and ideally >>I'd like to figure out a solution that we can use well into the >>future and for a variety of classes and for various disabilities >>including vision loss, learning disabilities, TBIs, etc. >> >>Thanks in advance for any and all advice you have for me. >> >>Dave >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Athen mailing list >>Athen@athenpro.org >>http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 From asuncion at alcor.concordia.ca Tue Feb 19 03:42:32 2008 From: asuncion at alcor.concordia.ca (Jennison Mark Asuncion) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Adaptech: Free and Inexpensive Software Message-ID: Adaptech Research Network Presents Short Online Videos About Free and Inexpensive Software The Adaptech Research Network recently developed a series of five captioned, three minute online video presentations. Available in English and French, these demonstrate some of the popular free and inexpensive software you can find in our "Downloads" library. Note that Windows Media Player is required to view these video clips. And if these make you curious and you want to see more free or inexpensive software, visit our web site at http://www.adaptech.org and click on "Downloads." To view the English video clips go to http://adaptech.dawsoncollege.qc.ca/fandivideo_e.php To view the French video clips go to http://adaptech.dawsoncollege.qc.ca/fandivideo_f.php We also posted a three minute video presentation which introduces the Adaptech Research Network, the team, and the work we do. Note that this is a large file and that Windows Media Player is required to view this video clip. To view the English version go to http://adaptech.dawsoncollege.qc.ca/video/adaptechvideofinalE1.wmv To view the French version go to http://adaptech.dawsoncollege.qc.ca/video/adaptechvideofinalFR1.wmv We are grateful to the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada (SSHRC) for a grant to Catherine Fichten and Joan Wolforth as well as to the Dis-It Research Alliance, our partners and collaborators, and Dawson College for their support. Jennison Mark Asuncion Co-Director, Adaptech Research Network http://www.adaptech.org From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Tue Feb 19 17:03:31 2008 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] ouch - all the CSUN booths are sold out In-Reply-To: <002701c87034$acd37a50$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> References: <002701c87034$acd37a50$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <009a01c8735c$8a6bb880$9f432980$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> I am willing to also put flyers on the Dolphin booth since they are a sponsor of the conference. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 7:41 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] ouch - all the CSUN booths are sold out CSUN is sold out of exhibitor spaces. Any help giving out AHG conference flyers for those presenting at the conference would be appreciated. I can send you an e-copy or give you hard copies at the conference. For those willing to do this, let me know your preference. Terry, can we set out one stack of flyers in the DO-IT/Access-IT booth? We won't be able to give away a stuffed Ralphie this year - very sad. Thanks, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norm.coombs at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 17:31:13 2008 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board In-Reply-To: <479AE6BF0000338B@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> References: <479AE6BF0000338B@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20080219173030.0308c630@pop.gmail.com> I am confused! If the files are images how does this make the content available to all?? What about those of us who are blind??? At 09:51 PM 2/18/2008, you wrote: >Hi Athenites, > >I would like to add to Shelley's rapt endorsement of Mimio: to encourage >the use of the technology built into the SMARTBOARD. You will need laptop >or computer in the classroom. The SMARTBOARD takes a photo of what's written >on the board. These snapshots of what's written on the board are saved to >the laptop/computer as JPEG images. With a direct connection to the >SMARTBOARD, >the student can see & then save the images and view in enlarged size(s) on >the laptop/computer. For the advantage of the whole class, if the instructor >is using the SMARTBOARD with a laptop/computer, s/he can save each class's >boards as a series of JPEG images and post on the dept. website, class's >Blackboard or WEBCT for future study sessions or classes, etc., making it >accessible for one and available to all. > >Mimio gives the student ability to be completely independent in using the >accommodation. The instructor is key in the use of SMARTBOARD technology >yet adds a great deal towards the integration of universal design techniques. >Both have advantages. I guess in weighing one versus the other would depend >on the limitation of the student's vision and ability to manipulate the Mimio >camera and evaluate which would be the best choice. > >Hope this is helpful! > >Blessings, > >Wink > > > > >-- Original Message -- > >Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:38:33 -0800 > >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > >From: Shelley Haven > >Subject: Re: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board > >Reply-To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > > > > > >Hi, Dave! > > > >How about this: a mimio Capture Kit > > outfitted with a > >mimio Wireless Module > >, allowing the > >students in question to adapt the mimio display of the board on their > >laptop to meet their particular needs. Added advantages: I believe > >the students ought to be able to annotate the image, too, as well as > >"tag" (capture snapshots of) the board for later reference. Truly > >UDL, and it works with any whiteboard up to 8 feet by 4 feet. > > > >- Shelley > > > > > > > >>Content-type: multipart/alternative; > >> boundary="Boundary_(ID_XCJ8Ne09EbJrkC02U5+peA)" > >>Content-class: urn:content-classes:message > >> > >>Greetings! > >> > >>I write to you to solicit input and recommendations concerning > >>capturing information from a board (blackboard, white board, etc.) > >>for students with vision loss. What I know I need to investigate > >>includes: > >> > >>SmartBoards > >>Clarity Camera > >>CarryMate > >>Onyx > >> > >>I am also wondering about using Math Type with one of these devices > >>and/or using captioning. This is for a Calculus class and ideally > >>I'd like to figure out a solution that we can use well into the > >>future and for a variety of classes and for various disabilities > >>including vision loss, learning disabilities, TBIs, etc. > >> > >>Thanks in advance for any and all advice you have for me. > >> > >>Dave > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Athen mailing list > >>Athen@athenpro.org > >>http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >_______________________________________________ > >Athen mailing list > >Athen@athenpro.org > >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >Ms. Wink Harner >Manager >Disability Resources & Services >Mesa Community College >Mesa AZ > >480-461-7447 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org --------------------------------------------------- Norman Coombs, Ph.D. Laguna Hills CA (949) 855-4852 CEO EASI http://easi.cc EASI January 2008events http://easi.cc 5 exciting Webinars 3 of which are public and have no charge http://easi.cc/clinic.htm 2 online courses: Barrier-free Information Technology Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Podcasts and Vodcasts http://easi.cc/podcasts From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Tue Feb 19 18:32:47 2008 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20080219173030.0308c630@pop.gmail.com> Message-ID: <479AE6BF0000364A@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Sorry Norm. I had surgery on Friday and am home recuperating. I am obviously NOT recovered from the procedure & was not thinking clearly. Not only have I shot myself in the foot for such an oversight, I actually mispoke about the technology itself as Shelley pointed out to me off list. A separate clarification on the technology will follow. But tonight, a general apology to all and an apology to you directly. Wink >-- Original Message -- >Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:31:13 -0800 >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >From: Prof Norm Coombs >Subject: Re: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board >Reply-To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > >I am confused! If the files are images how does this make the content >available to all?? What about those of us who are blind??? > Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 From ea at emptech.info Wed Feb 20 01:33:04 2008 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board In-Reply-To: <479AE6BF0000364A@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20080219173030.0308c630@pop.gmail.com> <479AE6BF0000364A@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: <002f01c873a3$98ec8500$cac58f00$@info> Hope you are making a full recovery Wink and all is well. I would also be interested to learn how you separate or add text with the images in an accessible way from digital white boards unless it is part of the original presentation? It is the same dilemma I have been trying to think about when students have OneNote files for organising all their ideas. Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab, ECS, University of Southampton, Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: 20 February 2008 02:33 To: norm.coombs@gmail.com Cc: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board Sorry Norm. I had surgery on Friday and am home recuperating. I am obviously NOT recovered from the procedure & was not thinking clearly. Not only have I shot myself in the foot for such an oversight, I actually mispoke about the technology itself as Shelley pointed out to me off list. A separate clarification on the technology will follow. But tonight, a general apology to all and an apology to you directly. Wink >-- Original Message -- >Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:31:13 -0800 >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >From: Prof Norm Coombs >Subject: Re: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board >Reply-To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > >I am confused! If the files are images how does this make the content >available to all?? What about those of us who are blind??? > Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1288 - Release Date: 19/02/2008 20:47 From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Wed Feb 20 07:56:39 2008 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] smart board & mimio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <479AE6BF00003765@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Dear Athenites, An apology to all: in my post yesterday, not only did I not answer the question properly (the media I saw in my head was NOT what I described), and I confused everyone! Shelley pointed out my glitch (Thanks, Shelley). Shelley, BTW, is a real wizard at this technology and would be a good resource for all of us to draw on. And Norm Coombs posted how inaccessible all of this technology is to people who are blind. I admit my answer was really aimed at visually impaired, which I think was Dave's original question, and my response was not inclusive. To all, I apologize. I had surgery to repair a torn tendon last week and it is apparent to me that my usually snappy wit was impaired! So, with a clear(er) head, I did some research, and am offering a more inclusive response. I hope. So here is a Reader's Digest Condensed response: With a SMARTBOARD, a stand-alone whiteboard which is interactive, you can write on it, project POWERPOINT presentations and handwriting can be converted to typed text. Share files with linked computers. Use screen reader(s), export to refreshable Braille or export to Duxbury for hardcopy Braille output. Use optional SMART Recorder to make audio recordings of everything done on the SMART Board interactive whiteboard. With a microphone feed to the computer, you can even record audio in sync with on-screen actions (truly "audio-visual!"). The recorder produces standard AVI files that can be viewed with SMART Video Player or Windows Media Player. There also is a neat add on of Finale software which would make the SMARTBOARD a virtual conductor's score for the classroom. Finale can extract separate instrumental parts and export for print. I don't know if Finale works with a music brailling system, but be assured by tomorrow I will know! Mimio, on the other hand, uses infrared & ultrasound technology to capture what is written on any standard whiteboard. The markers are inserted into a stylus which has an infrared/ultrasound broadcast and a screen capture device (about 4" by 2') which attaches vertically to the side of the whiteboard and whatever is written with the marker/stylus is captured by the mimio device. There is a handwriting recognition plug-in for this which will convert to text. Don't know how accurate the conversion is. Each screen can be saved as a JPEG (TIFF or GIF) file, broadcast to a whole classroom full of computers, saved, etc. Using a product such as Image Converter Plus (appx. $49), Universal Document Converter ($69) and 'Convert Image to PDF' from Softinterface Inc. (free download), the JPEG, TIFF or GIF files can be converted to PDF and a screen reader can be used. If the conversion is to text, again there is a choice of refreshable Braille or hardcopy Braille. I do not know how easy it would be to convert math, but with MathType and MathSpeak software, it would be a worthy experiment to find out! Hope this is helpful, more inclusive and not too confusing! Wink Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Wed Feb 20 08:05:06 2008 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board In-Reply-To: <002f01c873a3$98ec8500$cac58f00$@info> Message-ID: <479AE6BF00003770@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Thanks for the good wishes, E. I tore a tendon in my knee (driving knee no less!) and had it repaired last week. It's well on the way to mending. I already have cabin fever, so the recuperation is going along nicely. Will be back to work and thundering speed next week. In my poking around, I found some interesting ideas to pursue in re both smart board & mimio. Both offer a handwriting recognition plug in which would also allow a projection (PPT etc.) on the board to have comments written ON it and saved as text rather than images. Don't know how accurate it may be, but also I found these conversion programs which may help in the process: Image Converter Plus (appx. $49), Universal Document Converter ($69) and 'Convert Image to PDF' from Softinterface Inc. (free download), the JPEG, TIFF or GIF files can be converted to PDF and a screen reader can be used. If the conversion is to text, again there is a choice of refreshable Braille or hardcopy Braille. I do not know how easy it would be to convert math, but with MathType and MathSpeak software, it would be a worthy experiment to find out! My daffodils are blooming today and I am going to take photos before it rains. Blessings Wink >-- Original Message -- >From: "E.A. Draffan" >To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" , > > >Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:33:04 -0000 >Subject: Re: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board >Reply-To: ea@emptech.info, Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > > >Hope you are making a full recovery Wink and all is well. I would also be >interested to learn how you separate or add text with the images in an >accessible way from digital white boards unless it is part of the original >presentation? It is the same dilemma I have been trying to think about when >students have OneNote files for organising all their ideas. > >Best wishes E.A. > >Mrs E.A. Draffan >Learning Societies Lab, >ECS, University of Southampton, >Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 >http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk >http://www.emptech.info > > Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Wed Feb 20 12:00:11 2008 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] ouch - all the CSUN booths are sold out In-Reply-To: <009a01c8735c$8a6bb880$9f432980$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <002701c87034$acd37a50$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> <009a01c8735c$8a6bb880$9f432980$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <001201c873fb$336bafa0$04000100@ad.colorado.edu> Thanks Ron. Do you want me to send you a pdf. Otherwise, I can ship copies or bring them with me. And I never sent an invoice for the 2007 sponsorship. Should I just e-mail that to Helen Duggan as we did for 2006. Thanks, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 6:04 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ouch - all the CSUN booths are sold out I am willing to also put flyers on the Dolphin booth since they are a sponsor of the conference. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 7:41 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] ouch - all the CSUN booths are sold out CSUN is sold out of exhibitor spaces. Any help giving out AHG conference flyers for those presenting at the conference would be appreciated. I can send you an e-copy or give you hard copies at the conference. For those willing to do this, let me know your preference. Terry, can we set out one stack of flyers in the DO-IT/Access-IT booth? We won't be able to give away a stuffed Ralphie this year - very sad. Thanks, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Wed Feb 20 12:01:14 2008 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] sorry Message-ID: <001f01c873fb$58fe8580$04000100@ad.colorado.edu> Sorry - didn't mean to send that last e-mail to the whole group. -Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ea at emptech.info Wed Feb 20 12:34:36 2008 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board In-Reply-To: <479AE6BF00003770@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> References: <002f01c873a3$98ec8500$cac58f00$@info> <479AE6BF00003770@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: <007901c87400$030e4cf0$092ae6d0$@info> Oh wow thank you so much Wink, I feel a strategy document coming on as a result of this unless there is one already available! Best wishes E.A. From rmhaven at stanford.edu Wed Feb 20 18:00:19 2008 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board In-Reply-To: <479AE6BF00003770@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> References: <479AE6BF00003770@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: To augment Wink's comments and address E.A.'s queries, mimio handwriting recognition (Windows version only) is "adequate" but will undoubtedly require editing just like any alt-formatted material. (Most people don't write as legibly on a board as they do on paper.) You can grab the material in real-time and select "Recognize Ink" to immediately change the display, convert ink to text after the fact on a saved board, or add text to a saved board with a typed annotation (just like adding a text box). In addition to JPEG, PNG, HTML and several other formats, these mimio boards can be saved directly as PDF files to the connected computer -- no conversion necessary. If the monitor for that "connected computer" happens to be an LCD projector, and the image is projected back to the whiteboard, you have the equivalent of a SmartBoard interactive whiteboard. So you can project PowerPoint slides or a webpage, annotate with mimio, then save the results as a PDF. I just tried this with my personal mimio and used both Kurzweil and WYNN to scan and OCR the saved PDF. As you might expect, the results depend a lot on the source material and the resolution (I'm not sure about mimio's maximum resolution). A colorful webpage with less-than-ideal contrasts, lots of fonts, and inverted text produces less than satisfactory results. A PowerPoint with consistent (and larger) fonts might work OK. As for math...mimio won't convert equations satisfactorily. Hope this helps (or at least gets the wheels turning!). - Shelley Haven >Thanks for the good wishes, E. I tore a tendon in my knee (driving knee no >less!) and had it repaired last week. It's well on the way to mending. I >already have cabin fever, so the recuperation is going along nicely. Will >be back to work and thundering speed next week. > >In my poking around, I found some interesting ideas to pursue in re both >smart board & mimio. Both offer a handwriting recognition plug in which would >also allow a projection (PPT etc.) on the board to have comments written >ON it and saved as text rather than images. Don't know how accurate it may >be, but also I found these conversion programs which may help in the process: >Image Converter Plus (appx. $49), Universal Document Converter ($69) and >'Convert Image to PDF' from Softinterface Inc. (free download), the JPEG, >TIFF or GIF files can be converted to PDF and a screen reader can be used. >If the conversion is to text, again there is a choice of refreshable Braille >or hardcopy Braille. I do not know how easy it would be to convert math, >but with MathType and MathSpeak software, it would be a worthy experiment >to find out! > >My daffodils are blooming today and I am going to take photos before it rains. > >Blessings > >Wink > > >>-- Original Message -- >>From: "E.A. Draffan" >>To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" >>, >> >> >>Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:33:04 -0000 >>Subject: Re: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board >>Reply-To: ea@emptech.info, Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >> >> >> >>Hope you are making a full recovery Wink and all is well. I would also >be >>interested to learn how you separate or add text with the images in an >>accessible way from digital white boards unless it is part of the original >>presentation? It is the same dilemma I have been trying to think about >when >>students have OneNote files for organising all their ideas. >> >>Best wishes E.A. >> >>Mrs E.A. Draffan >>Learning Societies Lab, >>ECS, University of Southampton, >>Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 >>http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk >>http://www.emptech.info >> >> >Ms. Wink Harner >Manager >Disability Resources & Services >Mesa Community College >Mesa AZ > >480-461-7447 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Wed Feb 20 20:03:37 2008 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <479AE6BF000039ED@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Shelley Did you try saving anything as MHTML and trying it with MathType/MathTalk? Wink >-- Original Message -- >Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:00:19 -0800 >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >From: Shelley Haven >Subject: Re: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board >Reply-To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > >To augment Wink's comments and address E.A.'s queries, mimio >handwriting recognition (Windows version only) is "adequate" but will >undoubtedly require editing just like any alt-formatted material. >(Most people don't write as legibly on a board as they do on paper.) >You can grab the material in real-time and select "Recognize Ink" to >immediately change the display, convert ink to text after the fact on >a saved board, or add text to a saved board with a typed annotation >(just like adding a text box). > >In addition to JPEG, PNG, HTML and several other formats, these mimio >boards can be saved directly as PDF files to the connected computer >-- no conversion necessary. If the monitor for that "connected >computer" happens to be an LCD projector, and the image is projected >back to the whiteboard, you have the equivalent of a SmartBoard >interactive whiteboard. So you can project PowerPoint slides or a >webpage, annotate with mimio, then save the results as a PDF. > >I just tried this with my personal mimio and used both Kurzweil and >WYNN to scan and OCR the saved PDF. As you might expect, the results >depend a lot on the source material and the resolution (I'm not sure >about mimio's maximum resolution). A colorful webpage with >less-than-ideal contrasts, lots of fonts, and inverted text produces >less than satisfactory results. A PowerPoint with consistent (and >larger) fonts might work OK. > >As for math...mimio won't convert equations satisfactorily. > >Hope this helps (or at least gets the wheels turning!). > >- Shelley Haven > > >>Thanks for the good wishes, E. I tore a tendon in my knee (driving knee >no >>less!) and had it repaired last week. It's well on the way to mending. I >>already have cabin fever, so the recuperation is going along nicely. Will >>be back to work and thundering speed next week. >> >>In my poking around, I found some interesting ideas to pursue in re both >>smart board & mimio. Both offer a handwriting recognition plug in which >would >>also allow a projection (PPT etc.) on the board to have comments written >>ON it and saved as text rather than images. Don't know how accurate it may >>be, but also I found these conversion programs which may help in the process: >>Image Converter Plus (appx. $49), Universal Document Converter ($69) and >>'Convert Image to PDF' from Softinterface Inc. (free download), the JPEG, >>TIFF or GIF files can be converted to PDF and a screen reader can be used. >>If the conversion is to text, again there is a choice of refreshable Braille >>or hardcopy Braille. I do not know how easy it would be to convert math, >>but with MathType and MathSpeak software, it would be a worthy experiment >>to find out! >> >>My daffodils are blooming today and I am going to take photos before it >rains. >> >>Blessings >> >>Wink >> >> >>>-- Original Message -- >>>From: "E.A. Draffan" >>>To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" >>>, >>> >>> >>>Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:33:04 -0000 >>>Subject: Re: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board >>>Reply-To: ea@emptech.info, Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >>> >>> >>> >>>Hope you are making a full recovery Wink and all is well. I would also >>be >>>interested to learn how you separate or add text with the images in an >>>accessible way from digital white boards unless it is part of the original >>>presentation? It is the same dilemma I have been trying to think about >>when >>>students have OneNote files for organising all their ideas. >>> >>>Best wishes E.A. >>> >>>Mrs E.A. Draffan >>>Learning Societies Lab, >>>ECS, University of Southampton, >>>Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 >>>http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk >>>http://www.emptech.info >>> >>> >>Ms. Wink Harner >>Manager >>Disability Resources & Services >>Mesa Community College >>Mesa AZ >> >>480-461-7447 >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Athen mailing list >>Athen@athenpro.org >>http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 From bergerei at gse.harvard.edu Thu Feb 21 10:05:57 2008 From: bergerei at gse.harvard.edu (eileen berger) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] ellumenate Message-ID: <76738C1095371CB74241FAC4@larseng05-2> Hi - Does anyone have experience with using dragon dictate version 9 with ellumenate? If a student accessing ellumenate is hearing impaired we need the "captioning feature " of dragon or perhaps another software solution to dictate the faculty lecture along with his voice? Nuance claims it has been done but without the how to/s. Our IT department would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Eileen Berger From skeegan at htctu.net Thu Feb 21 11:16:35 2008 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] ellumenate In-Reply-To: <76738C1095371CB74241FAC4@larseng05-2> References: <76738C1095371CB74241FAC4@larseng05-2> Message-ID: <003a01c874be$47264dc0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hi Eileen, > Does anyone have experience with using dragon dictate version 9 with ellumenate? > If a student accessing ellumenate is hearing impaired we need the "captioning > feature " of dragon or perhaps another software solution to dictate the faculty > lecture along with his voice? I do not think I understand the question. Is the student using Dragon to interact with Elluminate or does the student need to have captioning provided? I have participated in Elluminate sessions where captioning was provided (by a real-time transcriber) and everything worked smooth. A nice feature in the Elluminate system was the capability to control the captioning window, font sizes, and be able to immediately download the captioned file. Take care, Sean From saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu Thu Feb 21 12:35:46 2008 From: saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu (Saroj Primlani) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Rw: Elluminate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002701c874c9$569c9510$430317ac@sarojnewlaptop> Eileen, If you are looking for someone to caption an Elluminate session, Bill Courtland, I have attended sessions captioned by him. He uses VR products (Dragon, ViaVoice) as well as stenography software tools to integrate with Elluminate to provide real-time captions, Contact information: broadcaster@ibsu.net Cell 805.368.2802 Saroj _________________________________ Saroj Primlani Coordinator of University IT Accessibility Office of Information Technology 919 513 4087 http://ncsu.edu/it/access -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of athen-request@athenpro.org Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 3:00 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 25, Issue 23 Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." 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URL: http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/attachments/20080220/f49311 b6/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:34:36 -0000 From: "E.A. Draffan" Subject: Re: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board To: "'Wink Harner'" , "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <007901c87400$030e4cf0$092ae6d0$@info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oh wow thank you so much Wink, I feel a strategy document coming on as a result of this unless there is one already available! Best wishes E.A. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:00:19 -0800 From: Shelley Haven Subject: Re: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" To augment Wink's comments and address E.A.'s queries, mimio handwriting recognition (Windows version only) is "adequate" but will undoubtedly require editing just like any alt-formatted material. (Most people don't write as legibly on a board as they do on paper.) You can grab the material in real-time and select "Recognize Ink" to immediately change the display, convert ink to text after the fact on a saved board, or add text to a saved board with a typed annotation (just like adding a text box). In addition to JPEG, PNG, HTML and several other formats, these mimio boards can be saved directly as PDF files to the connected computer -- no conversion necessary. If the monitor for that "connected computer" happens to be an LCD projector, and the image is projected back to the whiteboard, you have the equivalent of a SmartBoard interactive whiteboard. So you can project PowerPoint slides or a webpage, annotate with mimio, then save the results as a PDF. I just tried this with my personal mimio and used both Kurzweil and WYNN to scan and OCR the saved PDF. As you might expect, the results depend a lot on the source material and the resolution (I'm not sure about mimio's maximum resolution). A colorful webpage with less-than-ideal contrasts, lots of fonts, and inverted text produces less than satisfactory results. A PowerPoint with consistent (and larger) fonts might work OK. As for math...mimio won't convert equations satisfactorily. Hope this helps (or at least gets the wheels turning!). - Shelley Haven >Thanks for the good wishes, E. I tore a tendon in my knee (driving knee no >less!) and had it repaired last week. It's well on the way to mending. I >already have cabin fever, so the recuperation is going along nicely. Will >be back to work and thundering speed next week. > >In my poking around, I found some interesting ideas to pursue in re both >smart board & mimio. Both offer a handwriting recognition plug in which would >also allow a projection (PPT etc.) on the board to have comments written >ON it and saved as text rather than images. Don't know how accurate it may >be, but also I found these conversion programs which may help in the process: >Image Converter Plus (appx. $49), Universal Document Converter ($69) and >'Convert Image to PDF' from Softinterface Inc. (free download), the JPEG, >TIFF or GIF files can be converted to PDF and a screen reader can be used. >If the conversion is to text, again there is a choice of refreshable Braille >or hardcopy Braille. I do not know how easy it would be to convert math, >but with MathType and MathSpeak software, it would be a worthy experiment >to find out! > >My daffodils are blooming today and I am going to take photos before it rains. > >Blessings > >Wink > > >>-- Original Message -- >>From: "E.A. Draffan" >>To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" >>, >> >> >>Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:33:04 -0000 >>Subject: Re: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board >>Reply-To: ea@emptech.info, Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >> >> >> >>Hope you are making a full recovery Wink and all is well. I would also >be >>interested to learn how you separate or add text with the images in an >>accessible way from digital white boards unless it is part of the original >>presentation? It is the same dilemma I have been trying to think about >when >>students have OneNote files for organising all their ideas. >> >>Best wishes E.A. >> >>Mrs E.A. Draffan >>Learning Societies Lab, >>ECS, University of Southampton, >>Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 >>http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk >>http://www.emptech.info >> >> >Ms. Wink Harner >Manager >Disability Resources & Services >Mesa Community College >Mesa AZ > >480-461-7447 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:03:37 -0700 From: "Wink Harner" Subject: Re: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Message-ID: <479AE6BF000039ED@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Shelley Did you try saving anything as MHTML and trying it with MathType/MathTalk? Wink >-- Original Message -- >Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:00:19 -0800 >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >From: Shelley Haven >Subject: Re: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board >Reply-To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > >To augment Wink's comments and address E.A.'s queries, mimio >handwriting recognition (Windows version only) is "adequate" but will >undoubtedly require editing just like any alt-formatted material. >(Most people don't write as legibly on a board as they do on paper.) >You can grab the material in real-time and select "Recognize Ink" to >immediately change the display, convert ink to text after the fact on >a saved board, or add text to a saved board with a typed annotation >(just like adding a text box). > >In addition to JPEG, PNG, HTML and several other formats, these mimio >boards can be saved directly as PDF files to the connected computer >-- no conversion necessary. If the monitor for that "connected >computer" happens to be an LCD projector, and the image is projected >back to the whiteboard, you have the equivalent of a SmartBoard >interactive whiteboard. So you can project PowerPoint slides or a >webpage, annotate with mimio, then save the results as a PDF. > >I just tried this with my personal mimio and used both Kurzweil and >WYNN to scan and OCR the saved PDF. As you might expect, the results >depend a lot on the source material and the resolution (I'm not sure >about mimio's maximum resolution). A colorful webpage with >less-than-ideal contrasts, lots of fonts, and inverted text produces >less than satisfactory results. A PowerPoint with consistent (and >larger) fonts might work OK. > >As for math...mimio won't convert equations satisfactorily. > >Hope this helps (or at least gets the wheels turning!). > >- Shelley Haven > > >>Thanks for the good wishes, E. I tore a tendon in my knee (driving knee >no >>less!) and had it repaired last week. It's well on the way to mending. I >>already have cabin fever, so the recuperation is going along nicely. Will >>be back to work and thundering speed next week. >> >>In my poking around, I found some interesting ideas to pursue in re both >>smart board & mimio. Both offer a handwriting recognition plug in which >would >>also allow a projection (PPT etc.) on the board to have comments written >>ON it and saved as text rather than images. Don't know how accurate it may >>be, but also I found these conversion programs which may help in the process: >>Image Converter Plus (appx. $49), Universal Document Converter ($69) and >>'Convert Image to PDF' from Softinterface Inc. (free download), the JPEG, >>TIFF or GIF files can be converted to PDF and a screen reader can be used. >>If the conversion is to text, again there is a choice of refreshable Braille >>or hardcopy Braille. I do not know how easy it would be to convert math, >>but with MathType and MathSpeak software, it would be a worthy experiment >>to find out! >> >>My daffodils are blooming today and I am going to take photos before it >rains. >> >>Blessings >> >>Wink >> >> >>>-- Original Message -- >>>From: "E.A. Draffan" >>>To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" >>>, >>> >>> >>>Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:33:04 -0000 >>>Subject: Re: [Athen] Capturing Information on a Board >>>Reply-To: ea@emptech.info, Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >>> >>> >>> >>>Hope you are making a full recovery Wink and all is well. I would also >>be >>>interested to learn how you separate or add text with the images in an >>>accessible way from digital white boards unless it is part of the original >>>presentation? It is the same dilemma I have been trying to think about >>when >>>students have OneNote files for organising all their ideas. >>> >>>Best wishes E.A. >>> >>>Mrs E.A. Draffan >>>Learning Societies Lab, >>>ECS, University of Southampton, >>>Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 >>>http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk >>>http://www.emptech.info >>> >>> >>Ms. Wink Harner >>Manager >>Disability Resources & Services >>Mesa Community College >>Mesa AZ >> >>480-461-7447 >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Athen mailing list >>Athen@athenpro.org >>http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:05:57 -0500 From: eileen berger Subject: [Athen] ellumenate To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Message-ID: <76738C1095371CB74241FAC4@larseng05-2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Hi - Does anyone have experience with using dragon dictate version 9 with ellumenate? If a student accessing ellumenate is hearing impaired we need the "captioning feature " of dragon or perhaps another software solution to dictate the faculty lecture along with his voice? Nuance claims it has been done but without the how to/s. Our IT department would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Eileen Berger ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:16:35 -0800 From: "Sean Keegan" Subject: Re: [Athen] ellumenate To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <003a01c874be$47264dc0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Eileen, > Does anyone have experience with using dragon dictate version 9 with ellumenate? > If a student accessing ellumenate is hearing impaired we need the "captioning > feature " of dragon or perhaps another software solution to dictate the faculty > lecture along with his voice? I do not think I understand the question. Is the student using Dragon to interact with Elluminate or does the student need to have captioning provided? I have participated in Elluminate sessions where captioning was provided (by a real-time transcriber) and everything worked smooth. A nice feature in the Elluminate system was the capability to control the captioning window, font sizes, and be able to immediately download the captioned file. Take care, Sean ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 25, Issue 23 ************************************* From jfoliot at stanford.edu Thu Feb 21 12:50:37 2008 From: jfoliot at stanford.edu (John Foliot - Stanford Online Accessibility Program) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] (no subject) Message-ID: <00ac01c874cb$69e0ea70$d02e42ab@stanford.edu> Friends, Is anyone aware of Criterion 508 Solutions? (http://www.criterion508.com/) I have a friend who is a daily user of Adaptive Technology who is interested in their work-from-home offers. Any feedback would be most appreciated. Cheers! JF =================================== John Foliot Academic Technology Consultant Stanford Online Accessibility Program http://soap.stanford.edu Stanford University Tel: 650-862-4603 =================================== From skeegan at htctu.net Thu Feb 21 14:17:13 2008 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <00ac01c874cb$69e0ea70$d02e42ab@stanford.edu> References: <00ac01c874cb$69e0ea70$d02e42ab@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <47BDF869.5070203@htctu.net> > Is anyone aware of Criterion 508 Solutions? > (http://www.criterion508.com/) I have a friend > who is a daily user of Adaptive Technology who is > interested in their work-from-home offers. I spoke with them about a two+ years ago as I was curious what type of training and support they provided on the Section 508 Standards. The person I spoke with (I believe it was the CEO) seemed knowledgeable and spoke about how it was important to apply various types of testing to determine Web page or product accessibility (i.e., not just accessible with a screen-reader). They were one of the few companies at the time who were looking at all of the 508 standards, not just Subpart B, 1194.22. I have not heard any negative comments about them and they appear to have a decent client list (yeah, I know...*everyone* has a decent client list). Take care, sean From normajean.brand at hccs.edu Thu Feb 21 18:43:16 2008 From: normajean.brand at hccs.edu (normajean.brand) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? Message-ID: Has anyone tried out the new FineReader? I know there were discussions, pros and cons on FineReader 8.0 and technical issues with regards to 8.0 for some folks. Just curious... ~NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. I strive to create, innovate, and to research solutions to meet and exceed expectations. -- NJ Brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://nwc.hccs.edu http://learning.nwc.hccs.edu/members/normajean.brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dann at digilifemedia.biz Thu Feb 21 19:31:16 2008 From: dann at digilifemedia.biz (dann) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? References: Message-ID: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD0A@trinity.trinityumc.local> There was an extended conversation about Abbyy Fine Reader version 9 on this or another mailing list recently. The problem with Abbyy Version 9 is the size of the files produced in the scanning process. The general consensus is that it is safest to stay with version 8 for the time being especially when scanning textbooks and other large items. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of normajean.brand Sent: Thu 2/21/2008 9:43 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? Has anyone tried out the new FineReader? I know there were discussions, pros and cons on FineReader 8.0 and technical issues with regards to 8.0 for some folks. Just curious... ~NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. I strive to create, innovate, and to research solutions to meet and exceed expectations. -- NJ Brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://nwc.hccs.edu http://learning.nwc.hccs.edu/members/normajean.brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Thu Feb 21 20:03:27 2008 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? In-Reply-To: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD0A@trinity.trinityumc.local> References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD0A@trinity.trinityumc.local> Message-ID: <004e01c87507$e3fae270$abf0a750$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> I think it was on the DSSHE list but what we are seeing is files sizes with Abbyy 9 being about 10 times larger than with Abbyy 8. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? There was an extended conversation about Abbyy Fine Reader version 9 on this or another mailing list recently. The problem with Abbyy Version 9 is the size of the files produced in the scanning process. The general consensus is that it is safest to stay with version 8 for the time being especially when scanning textbooks and other large items. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of normajean.brand Sent: Thu 2/21/2008 9:43 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? Has anyone tried out the new FineReader? I know there were discussions, pros and cons on FineReader 8.0 and technical issues with regards to 8.0 for some folks. Just curious. ~NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. 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Pratik From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 7:41 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] ouch - all the CSUN booths are sold out CSUN is sold out of exhibitor spaces. Any help giving out AHG conference flyers for those presenting at the conference would be appreciated. I can send you an e-copy or give you hard copies at the conference. For those willing to do this, let me know your preference. Terry, can we set out one stack of flyers in the DO-IT/Access-IT booth? We won't be able to give away a stuffed Ralphie this year - very sad. Thanks, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From normajean.brand at hccs.edu Fri Feb 22 12:11:13 2008 From: normajean.brand at hccs.edu (normajean.brand) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? In-Reply-To: <004e01c87507$e3fae270$abf0a750$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD0A@trinity.trinityumc.local> <004e01c87507$e3fae270$abf0a750$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: Thank you for your responses! I knew I had seen/read something on Abbyy's newest version but for some reason had the versions mixed up, and couldn't remember the exact conversations. I think I will stick with v8 even it sometimes gives me a headache although I suspect some of the problems lie with the scanning station setup we have. Thanks a lot! From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:03 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? Importance: Low I think it was on the DSSHE list but what we are seeing is files sizes with Abbyy 9 being about 10 times larger than with Abbyy 8. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? There was an extended conversation about Abbyy Fine Reader version 9 on this or another mailing list recently. The problem with Abbyy Version 9 is the size of the files produced in the scanning process. The general consensus is that it is safest to stay with version 8 for the time being especially when scanning textbooks and other large items. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of normajean.brand Sent: Thu 2/21/2008 9:43 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? Has anyone tried out the new FineReader? I know there were discussions, pros and cons on FineReader 8.0 and technical issues with regards to 8.0 for some folks. Just curious... ~NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. 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URL: From hadi at uiuc.edu Sat Feb 23 07:58:42 2008 From: hadi at uiuc.edu (Hadi Rangin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] CSUN Presentations References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD0A@trinity.trinityumc.local>, <004e01c87507$e3fae270$abf0a750$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD10@trinity.trinityumc.local> Message-ID: <002d01c87634$f714eda0$6500a8c0@Eagle> Hi Dan, Here's the info about a session that Jon and I will be presenting at CSUN 2008 along with two Product managers from Ebsco Publishing and Ex Libris Group. Multi-Institutional Consortiums to Improve the Accessibility of Electronic Library Resources http://www.letsgoexpo.com/expo/index.cfm?EID=80000093&p=3&page=scheduledetail&LCID=1606&ECTID=0 Thanks for posting it. Hadi ----- Original Message ----- From: dann To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network ; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:42 PM Subject: [Athen] CSUN Presentations Attention ATHEN Members - If you are presenting at CSUN please let me know so that we can post it on the blog and the website. --- Dann (ATHEN Secretary) --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbrown at ad.nmsu.edu Sat Feb 23 12:53:43 2008 From: cbrown at ad.nmsu.edu (Brown, Carol) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] FTP Program for Blind Users Message-ID: <978D21DCF54A3B49A0BEAB40E89172588417AA@EXCHANGE-MBX-01.ACN.ad.nmsu.edu> I have a student who is blind who is majoring in a computer technology field. The student needs to use an FTP program. Their were some accessibility problems with the one the professor suggested. I researched some and found FileZilla which was better with JAWS, but I was wondering if there are other free FTP programs out there that you would recommend. Thanks. Carol Brown Assistive Technology Specialist Services for Students with Disabilities Rm. 244, Corbett Center MSC 4149 New Mexico State University P.O. Box 30001 Las Cruces, New Mexico 88003-8001 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kerscher at montana.com Sat Feb 23 18:30:45 2008 From: kerscher at montana.com (George Kerscher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] FTP Program for Blind Users In-Reply-To: <978D21DCF54A3B49A0BEAB40E89172588417AA@EXCHANGE-MBX-01.ACN.ad.nmsu.edu> References: <978D21DCF54A3B49A0BEAB40E89172588417AA@EXCHANGE-MBX-01.ACN.ad.nmsu.edu> Message-ID: <002b01c8768d$437dbfc0$ca793f40$@com> Hi, I use FTP Voyager and it is great. It is not free. I think it is around $30. Best George > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Brown, Carol > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 1:54 PM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] FTP Program for Blind Users > > I have a student who is blind who is majoring in a computer technology > field. The student needs to use an FTP program. Their were some > accessibility problems with the one the professor suggested. I > researched some and found FileZilla which was better with JAWS, but I > was wondering if there are other free FTP programs out there that you > would recommend. Thanks. > > Carol Brown > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Services for Students with Disabilities > > Rm. 244, Corbett Center > > MSC 4149 > > New Mexico State University > > P.O. Box 30001 > > Las Cruces, New Mexico 88003-8001 From skeegan at htctu.net Sat Feb 23 18:35:26 2008 From: skeegan at htctu.net (skeegan@htctu.net) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] FTP Program for Blind Users In-Reply-To: <978D21DCF54A3B49A0BEAB40E89172588417AA@EXCHANGE-MBX-01.ACN.ad.nmsu.edu> References: <978D21DCF54A3B49A0BEAB40E89172588417AA@EXCHANGE-MBX-01.ACN.ad.nmsu.edu> Message-ID: <20080223213526.2jvkkhyil0cksgww@sheridan.swishmail.com> Hi Carol, > I researched some and found FileZilla which was better with JAWS, > but I was wondering if there are other free FTP programs out there > that you would recommend. Actually, my suggestion was going to be FileZilla as well. I wrote some basic usage instructions for FileZilla about two years ago (if you were going to use a screen-reader) and can forward those if you are interested. Take care, sean From pratikp1 at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 18:36:24 2008 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] FTP Program for Blind Users In-Reply-To: <978D21DCF54A3B49A0BEAB40E89172588417AA@EXCHANGE-MBX-01.ACN.ad.nmsu.edu> References: <978D21DCF54A3B49A0BEAB40E89172588417AA@EXCHANGE-MBX-01.ACN.ad.nmsu.edu> Message-ID: <006901c8768e$0da3a080$28eae180$@com> I Use FileZilla quite successfully. It's more than adequate for any advanced needs. Pratik From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Brown, Carol Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:54 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] FTP Program for Blind Users I have a student who is blind who is majoring in a computer technology field. The student needs to use an FTP program. Their were some accessibility problems with the one the professor suggested. I researched some and found FileZilla which was better with JAWS, but I was wondering if there are other free FTP programs out there that you would recommend. Thanks. Carol Brown Assistive Technology Specialist Services for Students with Disabilities Rm. 244, Corbett Center MSC 4149 New Mexico State University P.O. Box 30001 Las Cruces, New Mexico 88003-8001 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norm.coombs at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 19:55:37 2008 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] FTP Program for Blind Users In-Reply-To: <978D21DCF54A3B49A0BEAB40E89172588417AA@EXCHANGE-MBX-01.ACN .ad.nmsu.edu> References: <978D21DCF54A3B49A0BEAB40E89172588417AA@EXCHANGE-MBX-01.ACN.ad.nmsu.edu> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20080223195522.020da9f0@pop.gmail.com> I am blind and use ftp voyager and like it. Norm At 12:53 PM 2/23/2008, you wrote: >Content-Language: en-US >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > >boundary="_000_978D21DCF54A3B49A0BEAB40E89172588417AAEXCHANGEMBX01ACNa_" > >I have a student who is blind who is majoring in a computer technology >field. The student needs to use an FTP program. Their were some >accessibility problems with the one the professor suggested. I researched >some and found FileZilla which was better with JAWS, but I was wondering >if there are other free FTP programs out there that you would >recommend. Thanks. > > >Carol Brown > >Assistive Technology Specialist > >Services for Students with Disabilities > >Rm. 244, Corbett Center > >MSC 4149 > >New Mexico State University > >P.O. Box 30001 > >Las Cruces, New Mexico 88003-8001 >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org --------------------------------------------------- Norman Coombs, Ph.D. Laguna Hills CA (949) 855-4852 CEO EASI http://easi.cc EASI January 2008events http://easi.cc 5 exciting Webinars 3 of which are public and have no charge http://easi.cc/clinic.htm 2 online courses: Barrier-free Information Technology Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Podcasts and Vodcasts http://easi.cc/podcasts From easi.easi at gmail.com Sat Feb 23 20:04:24 2008 From: easi.easi at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] CSUN Presentations In-Reply-To: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD10@trinity.trinityumc. local> References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD0A@trinity.trinityumc.local> <004e01c87507$e3fae270$abf0a750$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD10@trinity.trinityumc.local> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20080223200220.020d7950@pop.gmail.com> Hi: Dick Banks, Elizabeth Coombs and Norman Coombs http://www.letsgoexpo.com/expo/index.cfm?EID=80000065&p=3&page=sched uledetail&LCID=606&ECTID=0 WWW-1104 Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 3:05 - 4:05 PM Norm At 07:42 PM 2/22/2008, you wrote: >Content-class: urn:content-classes:message >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C875CE.65323A84" > >Attention ATHEN Members - > >If you are presenting at CSUN please let me know so that we can post it on >the blog and the website. > >--- Dann (ATHEN Secretary) > > >--------------- >Daniel Berkowitz, CEO >DigiLife Media, LLC >1 Bryant Avenue >Bradford, MA 01835-7424 > >phone: 617-512-4315 >mobile: 978-914-4601 >e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz >web: www.digilifemedia.biz > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org --------------------------------------------------- Norman Coombs, Ph.D. Laguna Hills CA (949) 855-4852 CEO EASI http://easi.cc EASI January 2008events http://easi.cc 5 exciting Webinars 3 of which are public and have no charge http://easi.cc/clinic.htm 2 online courses: Barrier-free Information Technology Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Podcasts and Vodcasts http://easi.cc/podcasts From rbeach at kckcc.edu Sun Feb 24 01:27:30 2008 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] FTP Program for Blind Users Message-ID: <47C0E422020000CF0000D222@mymail.kckcc.edu> Hi, I have successfully used FTP Explorer (which is free for individuals but not for organizations) and Cute FTP which is not free. I too am a JAWS user. I have not tried FTP Voyager, but it sounds interesting. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> "Brown, Carol" 02/23/08 2:53 PM >>> I have a student who is blind who is majoring in a computer technology field. The student needs to use an FTP program. Their were some accessibility problems with the one the professor suggested. I researched some and found FileZilla which was better with JAWS, but I was wondering if there are other free FTP programs out there that you would recommend. Thanks. Carol Brown Assistive Technology Specialist Services for Students with Disabilities Rm. 244, Corbett Center MSC 4149 New Mexico State University P.O. Box 30001 Las Cruces, New Mexico 88003-8001 From pratikp1 at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 05:32:54 2008 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] CSUN Presentations In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20080223200220.020d7950@pop.gmail.com> References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD0A@trinity.trinityumc.local> <004e01c87507$e3fae270$abf0a750$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD10@trinity.trinityumc.local> <6.0.3.0.2.20080223200220.020d7950@pop.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009101c876e9$c42425e0$4c6c71a0$@com> Here are two of mine. Blind/Low Vision BLV-1002 Dueling Operating Systems Jamal Mazrui Mika Pyyhkala Pratik Patel Janina Sajka Postsecondary PSE-2003 Stem Integrated: Progress on Mathematics and Science for Students with Disabilities Karen Gourgey Sheryll Porter Pratik Patel -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 11:04 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] CSUN Presentations Hi: Dick Banks, Elizabeth Coombs and Norman Coombs http://www.letsgoexpo.com/expo/index.cfm?EID=80000065&p=3&page=sched uledetail&LCID=606&ECTID=0 WWW-1104 Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 3:05 - 4:05 PM Norm At 07:42 PM 2/22/2008, you wrote: >Content-class: urn:content-classes:message >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C875CE.65323A84" > >Attention ATHEN Members - > >If you are presenting at CSUN please let me know so that we can post it on >the blog and the website. > >--- Dann (ATHEN Secretary) > > >--------------- >Daniel Berkowitz, CEO >DigiLife Media, LLC >1 Bryant Avenue >Bradford, MA 01835-7424 > >phone: 617-512-4315 >mobile: 978-914-4601 >e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz >web: www.digilifemedia.biz > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org --------------------------------------------------- Norman Coombs, Ph.D. Laguna Hills CA (949) 855-4852 CEO EASI http://easi.cc EASI January 2008events http://easi.cc 5 exciting Webinars 3 of which are public and have no charge http://easi.cc/clinic.htm 2 online courses: Barrier-free Information Technology Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Podcasts and Vodcasts http://easi.cc/podcasts _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alpuzz at msu.edu Sun Feb 24 10:02:19 2008 From: alpuzz at msu.edu (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] FTP Program for Blind Users References: <978D21DCF54A3B49A0BEAB40E89172588417AA@EXCHANGE-MBX-01.ACN.ad.nmsu.edu> Message-ID: Hi Carol, All the programs suggested thus far in this thread will work quite nicely. One thing to note as well is that Windows includes a free, fully functional command line based FTP client. This is a derivative of the same client found on Unix and Linux systems throughout the world. Most end users would probably not want to bother with it, but if your student is majoring in the computer field, and isn't yet familiar with this client, understanding its use would be a very valuable skill. The client is completely accessible using any screen reader worth its salt, and will be present on virtually every computer your student is ever likely to deal with. A tutorial can be found here: http://www.textheavy.com/tutorials/winftp.html Al Puzzuoli Information Technologist Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities, Michigan State University 517-884-1915 120 Bessey Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 http://www.rcpd.msu.edu ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Brown, Carol Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:54 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] FTP Program for Blind Users I have a student who is blind who is majoring in a computer technology field. The student needs to use an FTP program. Their were some accessibility problems with the one the professor suggested. I researched some and found FileZilla which was better with JAWS, but I was wondering if there are other free FTP programs out there that you would recommend. Thanks. 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URL: From tft at u.washington.edu Sun Feb 24 20:47:58 2008 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] CSUN Presentations In-Reply-To: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD10@trinity.trinityumc.local> Message-ID: <200802250448.m1P4m7rr018843@smtp.washington.edu> Sheryl Burgstahler and I have three sessions between the two of us: DO-IT Video Search: A Case Study in Accessible Multimedia (Terry) Friday, March 14, 2008 - 4:20 - 5:20 PM Marriott - Houston http://letsgoexpo.com/expo/index.cfm?EID=80000093&p=3&page=scheduledetail&LC ID=1243&ECTID=0 University of Washington: A Case Study in Accessible Technology in Education (Sheryl & Terry) Saturday, March 15, 2008 - 9:20 - 10:20 AM Marriott - Chicago http://letsgoexpo.com/expo/index.cfm?EID=80000093&p=3&page=scheduledetail&LC ID=1244&ECTID=0 How DO-IT does IT in Japan (Sheryl) Saturday, March 15, 2008 - 12:30 - 1:30 PM Marriott - Chicago http://letsgoexpo.com/expo/index.cfm?EID=80000093&p=3&page=scheduledetail&LC ID=1491&ECTID=0 Terry Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology UW Technology Services University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:43 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] CSUN Presentations Attention ATHEN Members - If you are presenting at CSUN please let me know so that we can post it on the blog and the website. --- Dann (ATHEN Secretary) --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz From gdietrich at htctu.net Mon Feb 25 12:35:03 2008 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] File Size In-Reply-To: References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD0A@trinity.trinityumc.local>, <004e01c87507$e3fae270$abf0a750$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <02a801c877ed$e6bf7280$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> The solution is to scan to TIFF, not to PDF. Kurzweil really does not like PDF as much as it does TIFF, and your files will be much smaller. Part of the problem is also that the best way to go from PDF is through the KESI Virtual Printer, not to load the file directly. Using the virtual printer will create smaller files. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of John Elmer Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:51 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] File Size Speaking of file size........ We have found that scanning documents using Capture Perfect with our Canon 9080C into PDF's as Black and White for conversions to K3000 files results in the K3000 files being gigantic. We are better off scanning B/W documents as 24 bit color, as when we convert to K3000 the files are many may times smaller. Do others have similar experience? Solutions? John F. Elmer Alternate Media Specialist Ventura College Educational Assistance Center (DSP&S) 4667 Telegraph Road Ventura, CA 93003 805.654.6400, x1278 -----athen-bounces@athenpro.org wrote: ----- To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" From: "Ron Stewart" Sent by: athen-bounces@athenpro.org Date: 02/21/2008 08:03PM Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? I think it was on the DSSHE list but what we are seeing is files sizes with Abbyy 9 being about 10 times larger than with Abbyy 8. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? There was an extended conversation about Abbyy Fine Reader version 9 on this or another mailing list recently. The problem with Abbyy Version 9 is the size of the files produced in the scanning process. The general consensus is that it is safest to stay with version 8 for the time being especially when scanning textbooks and other large items. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of normajean.brand Sent: Thu 2/21/2008 9:43 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? Has anyone tried out the new FineReader? I know there were discussions, pros and cons on FineReader 8.0 and technical issues with regards to 8.0 for some folks. Just curious. ~NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. I strive to create, innovate, and to research solutions to meet and exceed expectations. -- NJ Brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://nwc.hccs.edu http://learning.nwc.hccs.edu/members/normajean.brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Mon Feb 25 12:36:19 2008 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? In-Reply-To: <004e01c87507$e3fae270$abf0a750$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD0A@trinity.trinityumc.local> <004e01c87507$e3fae270$abf0a750$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <02ad01c877ee$1474f470$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> I would really recommend scanning to TIFF and then loading the file into FineReader as an image-although my understanding is that even with that process the files are somewhat larger. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:03 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? I think it was on the DSSHE list but what we are seeing is files sizes with Abbyy 9 being about 10 times larger than with Abbyy 8. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? There was an extended conversation about Abbyy Fine Reader version 9 on this or another mailing list recently. The problem with Abbyy Version 9 is the size of the files produced in the scanning process. The general consensus is that it is safest to stay with version 8 for the time being especially when scanning textbooks and other large items. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of normajean.brand Sent: Thu 2/21/2008 9:43 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? Has anyone tried out the new FineReader? I know there were discussions, pros and cons on FineReader 8.0 and technical issues with regards to 8.0 for some folks. Just curious. ~NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. I strive to create, innovate, and to research solutions to meet and exceed expectations. -- NJ Brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://nwc.hccs.edu http://learning.nwc.hccs.edu/members/normajean.brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dann at digilifemedia.biz Mon Feb 25 12:54:15 2008 From: dann at digilifemedia.biz (dann) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] File Size References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD0A@trinity.trinityumc.local>, <004e01c87507$e3fae270$abf0a750$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <02a801c877ed$e6bf7280$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD13@trinity.trinityumc.local> But Gaeir - in order to use the KESI Virtual Printer don't you need to have Adobe Acrobat Professional? This is not something everyone has access to. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Mon 2/25/2008 3:35 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size The solution is to scan to TIFF, not to PDF. Kurzweil really does not like PDF as much as it does TIFF, and your files will be much smaller. Part of the problem is also that the best way to go from PDF is through the KESI Virtual Printer, not to load the file directly. Using the virtual printer will create smaller files. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of John Elmer Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:51 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] File Size Speaking of file size........ We have found that scanning documents using Capture Perfect with our Canon 9080C into PDF's as Black and White for conversions to K3000 files results in the K3000 files being gigantic. We are better off scanning B/W documents as 24 bit color, as when we convert to K3000 the files are many may times smaller. Do others have similar experience? Solutions? John F. Elmer Alternate Media Specialist Ventura College Educational Assistance Center (DSP&S) 4667 Telegraph Road Ventura, CA 93003 805.654.6400, x1278 -----athen-bounces@athenpro.org wrote: ----- To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" From: "Ron Stewart" Sent by: athen-bounces@athenpro.org Date: 02/21/2008 08:03PM Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? I think it was on the DSSHE list but what we are seeing is files sizes with Abbyy 9 being about 10 times larger than with Abbyy 8. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? There was an extended conversation about Abbyy Fine Reader version 9 on this or another mailing list recently. The problem with Abbyy Version 9 is the size of the files produced in the scanning process. The general consensus is that it is safest to stay with version 8 for the time being especially when scanning textbooks and other large items. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of normajean.brand Sent: Thu 2/21/2008 9:43 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? Has anyone tried out the new FineReader? I know there were discussions, pros and cons on FineReader 8.0 and technical issues with regards to 8.0 for some folks. Just curious... ~NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. 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URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Mon Feb 25 13:26:09 2008 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] File Size In-Reply-To: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD13@trinity.trinityumc.local> References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD0A@trinity.trinityumc.local>, <004e01c87507$e3fae270$abf0a750$@stewart@dolphinusa.com><02a801c877ed$e6bf7280$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD13@trinity.trinityumc.local> Message-ID: <02da01c877f5$0b1ad5a0$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> >in order to use the KESI Virtual Printer don't you need to have Adobe Acrobat Professional? No, you do not. Anyone who is using Kurzweil 3000 Professional (which you would have to be to open PDF files with Kurzweil) has access to it. The virtual printer is part of Kurzweil itself. And if you ever have something that Kurzweil will not access directly, try using the virtual printer. It makes a surprising number of files available to Kurzweil that would not be otherwise. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 12:54 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size But Gaeir - in order to use the KESI Virtual Printer don't you need to have Adobe Acrobat Professional? This is not something everyone has access to. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Mon 2/25/2008 3:35 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size The solution is to scan to TIFF, not to PDF. Kurzweil really does not like PDF as much as it does TIFF, and your files will be much smaller. Part of the problem is also that the best way to go from PDF is through the KESI Virtual Printer, not to load the file directly. Using the virtual printer will create smaller files. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of John Elmer Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:51 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] File Size Speaking of file size........ We have found that scanning documents using Capture Perfect with our Canon 9080C into PDF's as Black and White for conversions to K3000 files results in the K3000 files being gigantic. We are better off scanning B/W documents as 24 bit color, as when we convert to K3000 the files are many may times smaller. Do others have similar experience? Solutions? John F. Elmer Alternate Media Specialist Ventura College Educational Assistance Center (DSP&S) 4667 Telegraph Road Ventura, CA 93003 805.654.6400, x1278 -----athen-bounces@athenpro.org wrote: ----- To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" From: "Ron Stewart" Sent by: athen-bounces@athenpro.org Date: 02/21/2008 08:03PM Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? I think it was on the DSSHE list but what we are seeing is files sizes with Abbyy 9 being about 10 times larger than with Abbyy 8. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? There was an extended conversation about Abbyy Fine Reader version 9 on this or another mailing list recently. The problem with Abbyy Version 9 is the size of the files produced in the scanning process. The general consensus is that it is safest to stay with version 8 for the time being especially when scanning textbooks and other large items. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of normajean.brand Sent: Thu 2/21/2008 9:43 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? Has anyone tried out the new FineReader? I know there were discussions, pros and cons on FineReader 8.0 and technical issues with regards to 8.0 for some folks. Just curious. ~NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. 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URL: From trerise at cayuga-cc.edu Mon Feb 25 13:18:50 2008 From: trerise at cayuga-cc.edu (Sharon Trerise) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] text-to-speech for CourseCompass Message-ID: Has anyone found a text-to-speech tool that will work with CourseCompass, the Pearson / Prentice Hall online course supplement called MyMathLab? It appears that once you get into the actual homework and exam screens, you cannot highlight and copy any of the content which makes it unusable for any of the text-to-speech tools that use the copy feature to identify text to be spoken. I have tried TextAloud and ReadPlase and neither works. Also tried Opera with the Voice feature which did not work. Sharon Sharon Trerise Coordinator of Disability Services Cayuga Community College 197 Franklin St. Auburn, NY 13021 315-255-1792 x2306 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marks at mso.umt.edu Mon Feb 25 15:59:03 2008 From: marks at mso.umt.edu (Marks, Jim) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? In-Reply-To: <02ad01c877ee$1474f470$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD0A@trinity.trinityumc.local><004e01c87507$e3fae270$abf0a750$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <02ad01c877ee$1474f470$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <14BCA38CB48BE940AB983D950061FA7A9A3B12@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> I'm the one who posted to this list that we tried ABBYY FR 9 and decided to roll back to version 8 while we find more server space. Version 9 looks to be much more feature rich than 8 was, though, and the file size is a consequence of that greater functionality. It probably is a good idea to figure out which features are expendable, and cut back on all that ABBYY 9 does to help conserve disk space. We're going to proceed with version 9 as soon as we reasonably can. And it's kind of funny. Our server holds 80 GB, which is not much, especially for a document conversion server. Our office manager just bought an 80 GB iPod. I guess at least part of the lesson is to think bigger and bigger in capacity but smaller and smaller in actual size. (grin) Jim Marks Director of Disability Services University of Montana jim.marks@umontana.edu http://www.umt.edu/dss/ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 1:36 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? I would really recommend scanning to TIFF and then loading the file into FineReader as an image-although my understanding is that even with that process the files are somewhat larger. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:03 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? I think it was on the DSSHE list but what we are seeing is files sizes with Abbyy 9 being about 10 times larger than with Abbyy 8. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? There was an extended conversation about Abbyy Fine Reader version 9 on this or another mailing list recently. The problem with Abbyy Version 9 is the size of the files produced in the scanning process. The general consensus is that it is safest to stay with version 8 for the time being especially when scanning textbooks and other large items. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of normajean.brand Sent: Thu 2/21/2008 9:43 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? Has anyone tried out the new FineReader? I know there were discussions, pros and cons on FineReader 8.0 and technical issues with regards to 8.0 for some folks. Just curious... ~NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. I strive to create, innovate, and to research solutions to meet and exceed expectations. -- NJ Brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://nwc.hccs.edu http://learning.nwc.hccs.edu/members/normajean.brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From larry.kiser at sfcc.edu Tue Feb 26 05:59:35 2008 From: larry.kiser at sfcc.edu (Larry Kiser) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS Message-ID: <20080226085935262.00000002116@SF305507> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at kckcc.edu Tue Feb 26 06:23:10 2008 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Online course for Masters program Message-ID: <47C3CC6E020000CF0000D47B@mymail.kckcc.edu> Hi all, Sorry for the cross posting and the slightly off topic nature of this message. However, I couldn't think of anybody better to put this question to. I'm interested in finding a masters program for adult education that is totally online. Of course, I want it to be quality, but entirely distance ed so I do not have to work out transportation for classes. If there are a few components that require personal appearance on campus (i.e. presenting the final paper or project), that would be fine. Does anybody know of such a program? Thanks! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Tue Feb 26 06:42:33 2008 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS In-Reply-To: <20080226085935262.00000002116@SF305507> References: <20080226085935262.00000002116@SF305507> Message-ID: <009101c87885$d2c37ef0$784a7cd0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> I'll bite on this one. It makes on difference if the student is degree seeking or not they are still a student. YES there are major issues with working with Visual Studio and Visual C++ with any screen reader. From my last look there were typically work arounds for the basics but the user needed to be a very competent screen reader user. There are also a lot of issues with the drag and drop development controls which I believe there are no work arounds for. It sounds like it may be necessary to separate the lack of technical proficiency issues from the accessibility issues. Being unable to install a program does not sound like a access issue. Is the Textbook CD and accessible piece of content? If not then that is also an issue but not one I would have agreed to provide a tutor for. The fast majority of students I have worked with are not, regardless of the flavor of screen reader used, able to be fully proficient with many of these products, especially when they are being exposed to is as student. As you may have found out VPAT's are pretty much worthless for actually determining usability. As far as the WebCT interface it has pretty much the same issues as any other CMS but for the most part the portal is fine with the exception of the Chat and the other interactive tools. I have recommended that a student be allowed to work outside of the WebCT portal since that is just a delivery system not an actual part of the course content. Sounds like a lot of specificity on the part of the student is missing, and from this it is hard to determine what are issues of access and which are issues of ignorance. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Larry Kiser Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:00 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS Dear Colleagues: A non-degree seeking student who is blind and uses JAWS at home elected to register for an online C++ course. As the term began the student waited for the instructor to send a personal email rather than entering the WebCT course site. After I explained to the student the necessity of doing so I spent considerable time writing up command protocols for the student so the student could navigate the site. I was surprised that the student was unaware of many available JAWS commands but the student appeared to be able to access the course material with the protocols. The student then encountered problems downloading and installing Visual Studio and using the CD that came with the textbook. At the student's insistence the instructor located a tutor, who is paid by the Division of Blind Services to go to the student's home for tutoring sessions. Last week I got a call from the student who reported that he was unable to access certain windows in Visual Studio with JAWS. The tutor was supposed to meet with me in order that we could open the applications with JAWS and determine if there was a work around. That has not yet occurred. The student also claims some of the course elements in WebCT are graphics and inaccessible. I am clear that if inaccessible graphics have been incorporated into the course material I need to collaborate with the instructor to make an accessible alternative. However, I am not clear what the college's responsibility is regarding problems with JAWS interacting with Microsoft's Visual Studio. Have any of you encountered similar situations and how did you resolve it? I did download the VAT for that application from Microsoft and noted that Microsoft claims it is 508 compliant with some exceptions. At this point I do not know if the exceptions are the problem the student is encountering. The student has expressed the feeling in an email that an alternative course format should be made available in lieu of WebCT. Would that be considered a fundamental alteration of the course? Larry Kiser, Counselor Disabilities Resource Center Santa Fe Community College Gainesville, FL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From travis at travisroth.com Tue Feb 26 06:59:36 2008 From: travis at travisroth.com (Travis Roth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS In-Reply-To: <009101c87885$d2c37ef0$784a7cd0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <20080226085935262.00000002116@SF305507> <009101c87885$d2c37ef0$784a7cd0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <004e01c87888$36f5c160$a4e14420$@com> The version of Visual Studio was not mentioned. JAWS ships with scripts for 2003 but if a newer version is being used then third-party scripts are needed. (Newer version 2005 works better than 2003 does in terms of accessibility.) Scripts for Visual Studio 2005 are available (free). They're reported to work with 2008 as well. The download information is: "Executable installer http://www.EmpowermentZone.com/msenv2005.exe Zip archive http://www.EmpowermentZone.com/msenv2005.zip " The user will still find it advantageous to be a power JAWS, and power Windows user before working to navigate Visual Studio, which is a complex environment. From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 8:43 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS I'll bite on this one. It makes on difference if the student is degree seeking or not they are still a student. YES there are major issues with working with Visual Studio and Visual C++ with any screen reader. From my last look there were typically work arounds for the basics but the user needed to be a very competent screen reader user. There are also a lot of issues with the drag and drop development controls which I believe there are no work arounds for. It sounds like it may be necessary to separate the lack of technical proficiency issues from the accessibility issues. Being unable to install a program does not sound like a access issue. Is the Textbook CD and accessible piece of content? If not then that is also an issue but not one I would have agreed to provide a tutor for. The fast majority of students I have worked with are not, regardless of the flavor of screen reader used, able to be fully proficient with many of these products, especially when they are being exposed to is as student. As you may have found out VPAT's are pretty much worthless for actually determining usability. As far as the WebCT interface it has pretty much the same issues as any other CMS but for the most part the portal is fine with the exception of the Chat and the other interactive tools. I have recommended that a student be allowed to work outside of the WebCT portal since that is just a delivery system not an actual part of the course content. Sounds like a lot of specificity on the part of the student is missing, and from this it is hard to determine what are issues of access and which are issues of ignorance. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Larry Kiser Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:00 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS Dear Colleagues: A non-degree seeking student who is blind and uses JAWS at home elected to register for an online C++ course. As the term began the student waited for the instructor to send a personal email rather than entering the WebCT course site. After I explained to the student the necessity of doing so I spent considerable time writing up command protocols for the student so the student could navigate the site. I was surprised that the student was unaware of many available JAWS commands but the student appeared to be able to access the course material with the protocols. The student then encountered problems downloading and installing Visual Studio and using the CD that came with the textbook. At the student's insistence the instructor located a tutor, who is paid by the Division of Blind Services to go to the student's home for tutoring sessions. Last week I got a call from the student who reported that he was unable to access certain windows in Visual Studio with JAWS. The tutor was supposed to meet with me in order that we could open the applications with JAWS and determine if there was a work around. That has not yet occurred. The student also claims some of the course elements in WebCT are graphics and inaccessible. I am clear that if inaccessible graphics have been incorporated into the course material I need to collaborate with the instructor to make an accessible alternative. However, I am not clear what the college's responsibility is regarding problems with JAWS interacting with Microsoft's Visual Studio. Have any of you encountered similar situations and how did you resolve it? I did download the VAT for that application from Microsoft and noted that Microsoft claims it is 508 compliant with some exceptions. At this point I do not know if the exceptions are the problem the student is encountering. The student has expressed the feeling in an email that an alternative course format should be made available in lieu of WebCT. Would that be considered a fundamental alteration of the course? Larry Kiser, Counselor Disabilities Resource Center Santa Fe Community College Gainesville, FL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norm.coombs at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 07:05:31 2008 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS In-Reply-To: <009101c87885$d2c37ef0$784a7cd0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <20080226085935262.00000002116@SF305507> <009101c87885$d2c37ef0$784a7cd0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20080226065755.020f9340@pop.gmail.com> I agree exactly with Ron's comments. With the exception of chat WebCT is usually accessible. big lots beef and cranbery stick will be something totally different!!! WebCT is essentially a shell and accessibility also depends on how the teacher uses it. The university is required to provide an education to a student with a disability as it provides to others. I take this to mean either they refuse to use a product that is inaccessible or provide something the court might accept as an equal experience. The truth is that probably more than half the universities in the country fall short of this standard and usually no one complains and when they complain and nothing happens in time the complainer goes away and the complaint seldom goes to any higher power. I don't know whether it would be required or not, but someone should be available somewhere to help a student develop advanced proficiency on the screen reader. No one really addresses who is responsible. Probably the assumption that the student should have this skill. For students without disabilities who have trouble using their software in a course, we seem to make them responsible but yet usually a help desk would know enough to help them but typically not know enough to provide help on specialized adaptive tech. Norm At 06:42 AM 2/26/2008, you wrote: >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0092_01C8785B.E9ED76F0" >Content-Language: en-us > >I'll bite on this one. It makes on difference if the student is degree >seeking or not they are still a student. > >YES there are major issues with working with Visual Studio and Visual C++ >with any screen reader. From my last look there were typically work >arounds for the basics but the user needed to be a very competent screen >reader user. There are also a lot of issues with the drag and drop >development controls which I believe there are no work arounds for. > >It sounds like it may be necessary to separate the lack of technical >proficiency issues from the accessibility issues. Being unable to install >a program does not sound like a access issue. Is the Textbook CD and >accessible piece of content? If not then that is also an issue but not >one I would have agreed to provide a tutor for. > >The fast majority of students I have worked with are not, regardless of >the flavor of screen reader used, able to be fully proficient with many of >these products, especially when they are being exposed to is as >student. As you may have found out VPAT's are pretty much worthless for >actually determining usability. > >As far as the WebCT interface it has pretty much the same issues as any >other CMS but for the most part the portal is fine with the exception of >the Chat and the other interactive tools. I have recommended that a >student be allowed to work outside of the WebCT portal since that is just >a delivery system not an actual part of the course content. > >Sounds like a lot of specificity on the part of the student is missing, >and from this it is hard to determine what are issues of access and which >are issues of ignorance. > >Ron Stewart > >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Larry Kiser >Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:00 AM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS > >Dear Colleagues: > >A non-degree seeking student who is blind and uses JAWS at home elected to >register for an online C++ course. As the term began the student waited >for the instructor to send a personal email rather than entering the WebCT >course site. After I explained to the student the necessity of doing so I >spent considerable time writing up command protocols for the student so >the student could navigate the site. I was surprised that the student was >unaware of many available JAWS commands but the student appeared to be >able to access the course material with the protocols. The student then >encountered problems downloading and installing Visual Studio and using >the CD that came with the textbook. At the student's insistence the >instructor located a tutor, who is paid by the Division of Blind Services >to go to the student's home for tutoring sessions. Last week I got a call >from the student who reported that he was unable to access certain windows >in Visual Studio with JAWS. The tutor was supposed to meet with me in >order that we could open the applications with JAWS and determine if there >was a work around. That has not yet occurred. The student also claims >some of the course elements in WebCT are graphics and inaccessible. > >I am clear that if inaccessible graphics have been incorporated into the >course material I need to collaborate with the instructor to make an >accessible alternative. However, I am not clear what the college's >responsibility is regarding problems with JAWS interacting with >Microsoft's Visual Studio. Have any of you encountered similar situations >and how did you resolve it? I did download the VAT for that application >from Microsoft and noted that Microsoft claims it is 508 compliant with >some exceptions. At this point I do not know if the exceptions are the >problem the student is encountering. The student has expressed the >feeling in an email that an alternative course format should be made >available in lieu of WebCT. Would that be considered a fundamental >alteration of the course? > >Larry Kiser, Counselor >Disabilities Resource Center >Santa Fe Community College >Gainesville, FL > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org --------------------------------------------------- Norman Coombs, Ph.D. Laguna Hills CA (949) 855-4852 CEO EASI http://easi.cc EASI January 2008events http://easi.cc 5 exciting Webinars 3 of which are public and have no charge http://easi.cc/clinic.htm 2 online courses: Barrier-free Information Technology Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Podcasts and Vodcasts http://easi.cc/podcasts From jongund at uiuc.edu Tue Feb 26 07:09:05 2008 From: jongund at uiuc.edu (Jon Gunderson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS Message-ID: <20080226090905.BCQ01955@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> I think that if they were an on campus student, there would be some type of assistance provided to help the student "get through" the class. Jon ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:42:33 -0500 >From: "Ron Stewart" >Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS >To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > I'll bite on this one. It makes on difference if > the student is degree seeking or not they are still > a student. > > > > YES there are major issues with working with Visual > Studio and Visual C++ with any screen reader. From > my last look there were typically work arounds for > the basics but the user needed to be a very > competent screen reader user. There are also a lot > of issues with the drag and drop development > controls which I believe there are no work arounds > for. > > > > It sounds like it may be necessary to separate the > lack of technical proficiency issues from the > accessibility issues. Being unable to install a > program does not sound like a access issue. Is the > Textbook CD and accessible piece of content? If not > then that is also an issue but not one I would have > agreed to provide a tutor for. > > > > The fast majority of students I have worked with are > not, regardless of the flavor of screen reader used, > able to be fully proficient with many of these > products, especially when they are being exposed to > is as student. As you may have found out VPAT's are > pretty much worthless for actually determining > usability. > > > > As far as the WebCT interface it has pretty much the > same issues as any other CMS but for the most part > the portal is fine with the exception of the Chat > and the other interactive tools. I have recommended > that a student be allowed to work outside of the > WebCT portal since that is just a delivery system > not an actual part of the course content. > > > > Sounds like a lot of specificity on the part of the > student is missing, and from this it is hard to > determine what are issues of access and which are > issues of ignorance. > > > > Ron Stewart > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of > Larry Kiser > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:00 AM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course > Student Using JAWS > > > > Dear Colleagues: > > > > A non-degree seeking student who is blind and uses > JAWS at home elected to register for an online C++ > course. As the term began the student waited for > the instructor to send a personal email rather than > entering the WebCT course site. After I explained > to the student the necessity of doing so I spent > considerable time writing up command protocols for > the student so the student could navigate the site. > I was surprised that the student was unaware of many > available JAWS commands but the student appeared to > be able to access the course material with the > protocols. The student then encountered problems > downloading and installing Visual Studio and using > the CD that came with the textbook. At the > student's insistence the instructor located a tutor, > who is paid by the Division of Blind Services to go > to the student's home for tutoring sessions. Last > week I got a call from the student who reported that > he was unable to access certain windows in Visual > Studio with JAWS. The tutor was supposed to meet > with me in order that we could open the applications > with JAWS and determine if there was a work around. > That has not yet occurred. The student also claims > some of the course elements in WebCT are graphics > and inaccessible. > > > > I am clear that if inaccessible graphics have been > incorporated into the course material I need to > collaborate with the instructor to make an > accessible alternative. However, I am not clear > what the college's responsibility is regarding > problems with JAWS interacting with Microsoft's > Visual Studio. Have any of you encountered similar > situations and how did you resolve it? I did > download the VAT for that application from Microsoft > and noted that Microsoft claims it is 508 compliant > with some exceptions. At this point I do not know > if the exceptions are the problem the student is > encountering. The student has expressed the feeling > in an email that an alternative course format should > be made available in lieu of WebCT. Would that be > considered a fundamental alteration of the course? > > > > > Larry Kiser, Counselor > > Disabilities Resource Center > > Santa Fe Community College > > Gainesville, FL > > > > >________________ >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. Coordinator Information Technology Accessibility Disability Resources and Educational Services Rehabilitation Education Center Room 86 1207 S. Oak Street Champaign, Illinois 61821 Voice: (217) 244-5870 WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/ WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/ From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Tue Feb 26 07:13:07 2008 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS In-Reply-To: <004e01c87888$36f5c160$a4e14420$@com> References: <20080226085935262.00000002116@SF305507> <009101c87885$d2c37ef0$784a7cd0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <004e01c87888$36f5c160$a4e14420$@com> Message-ID: <00c901c8788a$17c38a50$474a9ef0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Travis, How well do these scripts work within the IDE environment? According to our developers, they are not suitable for true development work with a screen reader. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Travis Roth Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:00 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS The version of Visual Studio was not mentioned. JAWS ships with scripts for 2003 but if a newer version is being used then third-party scripts are needed. (Newer version 2005 works better than 2003 does in terms of accessibility.) Scripts for Visual Studio 2005 are available (free). They're reported to work with 2008 as well. The download information is: "Executable installer http://www.EmpowermentZone.com/msenv2005.exe Zip archive http://www.EmpowermentZone.com/msenv2005.zip " The user will still find it advantageous to be a power JAWS, and power Windows user before working to navigate Visual Studio, which is a complex environment. From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 8:43 AM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS I'll bite on this one. It makes on difference if the student is degree seeking or not they are still a student. YES there are major issues with working with Visual Studio and Visual C++ with any screen reader. From my last look there were typically work arounds for the basics but the user needed to be a very competent screen reader user. There are also a lot of issues with the drag and drop development controls which I believe there are no work arounds for. It sounds like it may be necessary to separate the lack of technical proficiency issues from the accessibility issues. Being unable to install a program does not sound like a access issue. Is the Textbook CD and accessible piece of content? If not then that is also an issue but not one I would have agreed to provide a tutor for. The fast majority of students I have worked with are not, regardless of the flavor of screen reader used, able to be fully proficient with many of these products, especially when they are being exposed to is as student. As you may have found out VPAT's are pretty much worthless for actually determining usability. As far as the WebCT interface it has pretty much the same issues as any other CMS but for the most part the portal is fine with the exception of the Chat and the other interactive tools. I have recommended that a student be allowed to work outside of the WebCT portal since that is just a delivery system not an actual part of the course content. Sounds like a lot of specificity on the part of the student is missing, and from this it is hard to determine what are issues of access and which are issues of ignorance. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Larry Kiser Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:00 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS Dear Colleagues: A non-degree seeking student who is blind and uses JAWS at home elected to register for an online C++ course. As the term began the student waited for the instructor to send a personal email rather than entering the WebCT course site. After I explained to the student the necessity of doing so I spent considerable time writing up command protocols for the student so the student could navigate the site. I was surprised that the student was unaware of many available JAWS commands but the student appeared to be able to access the course material with the protocols. The student then encountered problems downloading and installing Visual Studio and using the CD that came with the textbook. At the student's insistence the instructor located a tutor, who is paid by the Division of Blind Services to go to the student's home for tutoring sessions. Last week I got a call from the student who reported that he was unable to access certain windows in Visual Studio with JAWS. The tutor was supposed to meet with me in order that we could open the applications with JAWS and determine if there was a work around. That has not yet occurred. The student also claims some of the course elements in WebCT are graphics and inaccessible. I am clear that if inaccessible graphics have been incorporated into the course material I need to collaborate with the instructor to make an accessible alternative. However, I am not clear what the college's responsibility is regarding problems with JAWS interacting with Microsoft's Visual Studio. Have any of you encountered similar situations and how did you resolve it? I did download the VAT for that application from Microsoft and noted that Microsoft claims it is 508 compliant with some exceptions. At this point I do not know if the exceptions are the problem the student is encountering. The student has expressed the feeling in an email that an alternative course format should be made available in lieu of WebCT. Would that be considered a fundamental alteration of the course? Larry Kiser, Counselor Disabilities Resource Center Santa Fe Community College Gainesville, FL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Tue Feb 26 07:24:06 2008 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] [ATHEN] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20080226065755.020f9340@pop.gmail.com> References: <20080226085935262.00000002116@SF305507> <009101c87885$d2c37ef0$784a7cd0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <6.0.3.0.2.20080226065755.020f9340@pop.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00dc01c8788b$a0286bd0$e0794370$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Half of the Universities, Norm you are too kind. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:06 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS I agree exactly with Ron's comments. With the exception of chat WebCT is usually accessible. big lots beef and cranbery stick will be something totally different!!! WebCT is essentially a shell and accessibility also depends on how the teacher uses it. The university is required to provide an education to a student with a disability as it provides to others. I take this to mean either they refuse to use a product that is inaccessible or provide something the court might accept as an equal experience. The truth is that probably more than half the universities in the country fall short of this standard and usually no one complains and when they complain and nothing happens in time the complainer goes away and the complaint seldom goes to any higher power. I don't know whether it would be required or not, but someone should be available somewhere to help a student develop advanced proficiency on the screen reader. No one really addresses who is responsible. Probably the assumption that the student should have this skill. For students without disabilities who have trouble using their software in a course, we seem to make them responsible but yet usually a help desk would know enough to help them but typically not know enough to provide help on specialized adaptive tech. Norm At 06:42 AM 2/26/2008, you wrote: >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0092_01C8785B.E9ED76F0" >Content-Language: en-us > >I'll bite on this one. It makes on difference if the student is degree >seeking or not they are still a student. > >YES there are major issues with working with Visual Studio and Visual C++ >with any screen reader. From my last look there were typically work >arounds for the basics but the user needed to be a very competent screen >reader user. There are also a lot of issues with the drag and drop >development controls which I believe there are no work arounds for. > >It sounds like it may be necessary to separate the lack of technical >proficiency issues from the accessibility issues. Being unable to install >a program does not sound like a access issue. Is the Textbook CD and >accessible piece of content? If not then that is also an issue but not >one I would have agreed to provide a tutor for. > >The fast majority of students I have worked with are not, regardless of >the flavor of screen reader used, able to be fully proficient with many of >these products, especially when they are being exposed to is as >student. As you may have found out VPAT's are pretty much worthless for >actually determining usability. > >As far as the WebCT interface it has pretty much the same issues as any >other CMS but for the most part the portal is fine with the exception of >the Chat and the other interactive tools. I have recommended that a >student be allowed to work outside of the WebCT portal since that is just >a delivery system not an actual part of the course content. > >Sounds like a lot of specificity on the part of the student is missing, >and from this it is hard to determine what are issues of access and which >are issues of ignorance. > >Ron Stewart > >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Larry Kiser >Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:00 AM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network >Subject: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS > >Dear Colleagues: > >A non-degree seeking student who is blind and uses JAWS at home elected to >register for an online C++ course. As the term began the student waited >for the instructor to send a personal email rather than entering the WebCT >course site. After I explained to the student the necessity of doing so I >spent considerable time writing up command protocols for the student so >the student could navigate the site. I was surprised that the student was >unaware of many available JAWS commands but the student appeared to be >able to access the course material with the protocols. The student then >encountered problems downloading and installing Visual Studio and using >the CD that came with the textbook. At the student's insistence the >instructor located a tutor, who is paid by the Division of Blind Services >to go to the student's home for tutoring sessions. Last week I got a call >from the student who reported that he was unable to access certain windows >in Visual Studio with JAWS. The tutor was supposed to meet with me in >order that we could open the applications with JAWS and determine if there >was a work around. That has not yet occurred. The student also claims >some of the course elements in WebCT are graphics and inaccessible. > >I am clear that if inaccessible graphics have been incorporated into the >course material I need to collaborate with the instructor to make an >accessible alternative. However, I am not clear what the college's >responsibility is regarding problems with JAWS interacting with >Microsoft's Visual Studio. Have any of you encountered similar situations >and how did you resolve it? I did download the VAT for that application >from Microsoft and noted that Microsoft claims it is 508 compliant with >some exceptions. At this point I do not know if the exceptions are the >problem the student is encountering. The student has expressed the >feeling in an email that an alternative course format should be made >available in lieu of WebCT. Would that be considered a fundamental >alteration of the course? > >Larry Kiser, Counselor >Disabilities Resource Center >Santa Fe Community College >Gainesville, FL > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org --------------------------------------------------- Norman Coombs, Ph.D. Laguna Hills CA (949) 855-4852 CEO EASI http://easi.cc EASI January 2008events http://easi.cc 5 exciting Webinars 3 of which are public and have no charge http://easi.cc/clinic.htm 2 online courses: Barrier-free Information Technology Creating and Repurposing More Accessible Content http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Podcasts and Vodcasts http://easi.cc/podcasts _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From norm.coombs at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 07:37:57 2008 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] EASI Looking for Someone Knowledgeable on Office 2007 Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20080226073450.020a3770@pop.gmail.com> We at EASI (Equal Access to Software and Information) strongly desire to make one of our Webinars this spring comparing Office 2007 with earlier versions and the presentation should include some discussion of accessing Office 2007 using adaptive software. We are hoping we might find someone from Athen who would be willing to present for us. If you are interested, email me directly at norm.coombs@gmail.com Norm From ndogbo at unr.edu Tue Feb 26 08:30:24 2008 From: ndogbo at unr.edu (Nicaise Dogbo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS In-Reply-To: <20080226085935262.00000002116@SF305507> References: <20080226085935262.00000002116@SF305507> Message-ID: When I took visual c++ several years ago, I remember there was a feature to turn on or off compatibility with screen reader somewhere in the "option" menu or menu item. You may want to check there or some place similar if there is not anything like that in the version of visual studio currently used by the student. Hope that helps. Nicaise Nicaise R. Dogbo Assistive Technology Specialist, Disability Resource Center University of Nevada, Reno Voice: 775-784-6000 TTY: 775-327-5131 Fax: 775-784-6955 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Larry Kiser Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:00 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessibility for Online Course Student Using JAWS Dear Colleagues: A non-degree seeking student who is blind and uses JAWS at home elected to register for an online C++ course. As the term began the student waited for the instructor to send a personal email rather than entering the WebCT course site. After I explained to the student the necessity of doing so I spent considerable time writing up command protocols for the student so the student could navigate the site. I was surprised that the student was unaware of many available JAWS commands but the student appeared to be able to access the course material with the protocols. The student then encountered problems downloading and installing Visual Studio and using the CD that came with the textbook. At the student's insistence the instructor located a tutor, who is paid by the Division of Blind Services to go to the student's home for tutoring sessions. Last week I got a call from the student who reported that he was unable to access certain windows in Visual Studio with JAWS. The tutor was supposed to meet with me in order that we could open the applications with JAWS and determine if there was a work around. That has not yet occurred. The student also claims some of the course elements in WebCT are graphics and inaccessible. I am clear that if inaccessible graphics have been incorporated into the course material I need to collaborate with the instructor to make an accessible alternative. However, I am not clear what the college's responsibility is regarding problems with JAWS interacting with Microsoft's Visual Studio. Have any of you encountered similar situations and how did you resolve it? I did download the VAT for that application from Microsoft and noted that Microsoft claims it is 508 compliant with some exceptions. At this point I do not know if the exceptions are the problem the student is encountering. The student has expressed the feeling in an email that an alternative course format should be made available in lieu of WebCT. Would that be considered a fundamental alteration of the course? Larry Kiser, Counselor Disabilities Resource Center Santa Fe Community College Gainesville, FL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: FileZilla.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 132159 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wiersmac at uww.edu Tue Feb 26 11:50:18 2008 From: wiersmac at uww.edu (Wiersma, Constance A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] File Size In-Reply-To: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD13@trinity.trinityumc.local> References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD0A@trinity.trinityumc.local>, <004e01c87507$e3fae270$abf0a750$@stewart@dolphinusa.com><02a801c877ed$e6bf7280$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD13@trinity.trinityumc.local> Message-ID: <6A6DDE8A258FF94D86A95DC1898B909E0165DE45@facmail3.uww.edu> You can scan materials into .pdf files and then process them directly with Kurzweil using the KESI virtual printer. We scan a number of our books using our Canon photocopier and FTP the file directly to a server from which we download the files and run them through the Kurzweil virtual printer. We use Adobe Acrobat Professional for books that we get from publishers, as they usually come as a single file, often with 500 or even 1000 pages. We "break" the file into chapters, which we then run through Kurzweil and save as KESI files as Kurzweil does not work well if the files are too large. This is a tremendous time saver for our Alternative Media program as we get request to provide hundreds of texts in an alternate format each semester. Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:54 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size But Gaeir - in order to use the KESI Virtual Printer don't you need to have Adobe Acrobat Professional? This is not something everyone has access to. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Mon 2/25/2008 3:35 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size The solution is to scan to TIFF, not to PDF. Kurzweil really does not like PDF as much as it does TIFF, and your files will be much smaller. Part of the problem is also that the best way to go from PDF is through the KESI Virtual Printer, not to load the file directly. Using the virtual printer will create smaller files. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of John Elmer Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:51 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] File Size Speaking of file size........ We have found that scanning documents using Capture Perfect with our Canon 9080C into PDF's as Black and White for conversions to K3000 files results in the K3000 files being gigantic. We are better off scanning B/W documents as 24 bit color, as when we convert to K3000 the files are many may times smaller. Do others have similar experience? Solutions? John F. Elmer Alternate Media Specialist Ventura College Educational Assistance Center (DSP&S) 4667 Telegraph Road Ventura, CA 93003 805.654.6400, x1278 -----athen-bounces@athenpro.org wrote: ----- To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" From: "Ron Stewart" Sent by: athen-bounces@athenpro.org Date: 02/21/2008 08:03PM Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? I think it was on the DSSHE list but what we are seeing is files sizes with Abbyy 9 being about 10 times larger than with Abbyy 8. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? There was an extended conversation about Abbyy Fine Reader version 9 on this or another mailing list recently. The problem with Abbyy Version 9 is the size of the files produced in the scanning process. The general consensus is that it is safest to stay with version 8 for the time being especially when scanning textbooks and other large items. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of normajean.brand Sent: Thu 2/21/2008 9:43 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? Has anyone tried out the new FineReader? I know there were discussions, pros and cons on FineReader 8.0 and technical issues with regards to 8.0 for some folks. Just curious... ~NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. I strive to create, innovate, and to research solutions to meet and exceed expectations. -- NJ Brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://nwc.hccs.edu http://learning.nwc.hccs.edu/members/normajean.brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Tue Feb 26 12:01:56 2008 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] File Size In-Reply-To: <6A6DDE8A258FF94D86A95DC1898B909E0165DE45@facmail3.uww.edu> References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD0A@trinity.trinityumc.local>, <004e01c87507$e3fae270$abf0a750$@stewart@dolphinusa.com><02a801c877ed$e6bf7280$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD13@trinity.trinityumc.local> <6A6DDE8A258FF94D86A95DC1898B909E0165DE45@facmail3.uww.edu> Message-ID: <018d01c878b2$71be0710$553a1530$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> So what do you do for students who cannot use a KEZI? Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Wiersma, Constance A Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:50 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size You can scan materials into .pdf files and then process them directly with Kurzweil using the KESI virtual printer. We scan a number of our books using our Canon photocopier and FTP the file directly to a server from which we download the files and run them through the Kurzweil virtual printer. We use Adobe Acrobat Professional for books that we get from publishers, as they usually come as a single file, often with 500 or even 1000 pages. We "break" the file into chapters, which we then run through Kurzweil and save as KESI files as Kurzweil does not work well if the files are too large. This is a tremendous time saver for our Alternative Media program as we get request to provide hundreds of texts in an alternate format each semester. Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:54 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size But Gaeir - in order to use the KESI Virtual Printer don't you need to have Adobe Acrobat Professional? This is not something everyone has access to. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Mon 2/25/2008 3:35 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size The solution is to scan to TIFF, not to PDF. Kurzweil really does not like PDF as much as it does TIFF, and your files will be much smaller. Part of the problem is also that the best way to go from PDF is through the KESI Virtual Printer, not to load the file directly. Using the virtual printer will create smaller files. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of John Elmer Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:51 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] File Size Speaking of file size........ We have found that scanning documents using Capture Perfect with our Canon 9080C into PDF's as Black and White for conversions to K3000 files results in the K3000 files being gigantic. We are better off scanning B/W documents as 24 bit color, as when we convert to K3000 the files are many may times smaller. Do others have similar experience? Solutions? John F. Elmer Alternate Media Specialist Ventura College Educational Assistance Center (DSP&S) 4667 Telegraph Road Ventura, CA 93003 805.654.6400, x1278 -----athen-bounces@athenpro.org wrote: ----- To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" From: "Ron Stewart" Sent by: athen-bounces@athenpro.org Date: 02/21/2008 08:03PM Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? I think it was on the DSSHE list but what we are seeing is files sizes with Abbyy 9 being about 10 times larger than with Abbyy 8. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? There was an extended conversation about Abbyy Fine Reader version 9 on this or another mailing list recently. The problem with Abbyy Version 9 is the size of the files produced in the scanning process. The general consensus is that it is safest to stay with version 8 for the time being especially when scanning textbooks and other large items. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of normajean.brand Sent: Thu 2/21/2008 9:43 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? Has anyone tried out the new FineReader? I know there were discussions, pros and cons on FineReader 8.0 and technical issues with regards to 8.0 for some folks. Just curious. ~NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. I strive to create, innovate, and to research solutions to meet and exceed expectations. -- NJ Brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. 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URL: From wiersmac at uww.edu Tue Feb 26 12:14:37 2008 From: wiersmac at uww.edu (Wiersma, Constance A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] File Size In-Reply-To: <018d01c878b2$71be0710$553a1530$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD0A@trinity.trinityumc.local>, <004e01c87507$e3fae270$abf0a750$@stewart@dolphinusa.com><02a801c877ed$e6bf7280$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD13@trinity.trinityumc.local><6A6DDE8A258FF94D86A95DC1898B909E0165DE45@facmail3.uww.edu> <018d01c878b2$71be0710$553a1530$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <6A6DDE8A258FF94D86A95DC1898B909E0165DE64@facmail3.uww.edu> If students request their files in another format, we convert files into the desired format, such as .rtf or .doc. We also have ABBYY Finereader v. 8, which use for some situations. And we obtain materials in DAISY format if needed. However, the University uses the Kurzweil license-to-go feature and we "loan out" the Kurzweil Reader to students on a semester basis and the program is available in all of the public labs. We also have DAISY players that students can check out. Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:02 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size So what do you do for students who cannot use a KEZI? Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Wiersma, Constance A Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:50 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size You can scan materials into .pdf files and then process them directly with Kurzweil using the KESI virtual printer. We scan a number of our books using our Canon photocopier and FTP the file directly to a server from which we download the files and run them through the Kurzweil virtual printer. We use Adobe Acrobat Professional for books that we get from publishers, as they usually come as a single file, often with 500 or even 1000 pages. We "break" the file into chapters, which we then run through Kurzweil and save as KESI files as Kurzweil does not work well if the files are too large. This is a tremendous time saver for our Alternative Media program as we get request to provide hundreds of texts in an alternate format each semester. Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:54 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size But Gaeir - in order to use the KESI Virtual Printer don't you need to have Adobe Acrobat Professional? This is not something everyone has access to. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Mon 2/25/2008 3:35 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size The solution is to scan to TIFF, not to PDF. Kurzweil really does not like PDF as much as it does TIFF, and your files will be much smaller. Part of the problem is also that the best way to go from PDF is through the KESI Virtual Printer, not to load the file directly. Using the virtual printer will create smaller files. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of John Elmer Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:51 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] File Size Speaking of file size........ We have found that scanning documents using Capture Perfect with our Canon 9080C into PDF's as Black and White for conversions to K3000 files results in the K3000 files being gigantic. We are better off scanning B/W documents as 24 bit color, as when we convert to K3000 the files are many may times smaller. Do others have similar experience? Solutions? John F. Elmer Alternate Media Specialist Ventura College Educational Assistance Center (DSP&S) 4667 Telegraph Road Ventura, CA 93003 805.654.6400, x1278 -----athen-bounces@athenpro.org wrote: ----- To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" From: "Ron Stewart" Sent by: athen-bounces@athenpro.org Date: 02/21/2008 08:03PM Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? I think it was on the DSSHE list but what we are seeing is files sizes with Abbyy 9 being about 10 times larger than with Abbyy 8. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? There was an extended conversation about Abbyy Fine Reader version 9 on this or another mailing list recently. The problem with Abbyy Version 9 is the size of the files produced in the scanning process. The general consensus is that it is safest to stay with version 8 for the time being especially when scanning textbooks and other large items. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of normajean.brand Sent: Thu 2/21/2008 9:43 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? Has anyone tried out the new FineReader? I know there were discussions, pros and cons on FineReader 8.0 and technical issues with regards to 8.0 for some folks. Just curious... ~NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. I strive to create, innovate, and to research solutions to meet and exceed expectations. -- NJ Brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://nwc.hccs.edu http://learning.nwc.hccs.edu/members/normajean.brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Tue Feb 26 12:24:02 2008 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] File Size In-Reply-To: <6A6DDE8A258FF94D86A95DC1898B909E0165DE64@facmail3.uww.edu> References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD0A@trinity.trinityumc.local>, <004e01c87507$e3fae270$abf0a750$@stewart@dolphinusa.com><02a801c877ed$e6bf7280$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD13@trinity.trinityumc.local><6A6DDE8A258FF94D86A95DC1898B909E0165DE45@facmail3.uww.edu> <018d01c878b2$71be0710$553a1530$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <6A6DDE8A258FF94D86A95DC1898B909E0165DE64@facmail3.uww.edu> Message-ID: <01a501c878b5$8747c320$95d74960$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Thanks Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Wiersma, Constance A Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:15 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size If students request their files in another format, we convert files into the desired format, such as .rtf or .doc. We also have ABBYY Finereader v. 8, which use for some situations. And we obtain materials in DAISY format if needed. However, the University uses the Kurzweil license-to-go feature and we "loan out" the Kurzweil Reader to students on a semester basis and the program is available in all of the public labs. We also have DAISY players that students can check out. Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:02 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size So what do you do for students who cannot use a KEZI? Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Wiersma, Constance A Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:50 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size You can scan materials into .pdf files and then process them directly with Kurzweil using the KESI virtual printer. We scan a number of our books using our Canon photocopier and FTP the file directly to a server from which we download the files and run them through the Kurzweil virtual printer. We use Adobe Acrobat Professional for books that we get from publishers, as they usually come as a single file, often with 500 or even 1000 pages. We "break" the file into chapters, which we then run through Kurzweil and save as KESI files as Kurzweil does not work well if the files are too large. This is a tremendous time saver for our Alternative Media program as we get request to provide hundreds of texts in an alternate format each semester. Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:54 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size But Gaeir - in order to use the KESI Virtual Printer don't you need to have Adobe Acrobat Professional? This is not something everyone has access to. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Mon 2/25/2008 3:35 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size The solution is to scan to TIFF, not to PDF. Kurzweil really does not like PDF as much as it does TIFF, and your files will be much smaller. Part of the problem is also that the best way to go from PDF is through the KESI Virtual Printer, not to load the file directly. Using the virtual printer will create smaller files. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of John Elmer Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:51 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] File Size Speaking of file size........ We have found that scanning documents using Capture Perfect with our Canon 9080C into PDF's as Black and White for conversions to K3000 files results in the K3000 files being gigantic. We are better off scanning B/W documents as 24 bit color, as when we convert to K3000 the files are many may times smaller. Do others have similar experience? Solutions? John F. Elmer Alternate Media Specialist Ventura College Educational Assistance Center (DSP&S) 4667 Telegraph Road Ventura, CA 93003 805.654.6400, x1278 -----athen-bounces@athenpro.org wrote: ----- To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" From: "Ron Stewart" Sent by: athen-bounces@athenpro.org Date: 02/21/2008 08:03PM Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? I think it was on the DSSHE list but what we are seeing is files sizes with Abbyy 9 being about 10 times larger than with Abbyy 8. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? There was an extended conversation about Abbyy Fine Reader version 9 on this or another mailing list recently. The problem with Abbyy Version 9 is the size of the files produced in the scanning process. The general consensus is that it is safest to stay with version 8 for the time being especially when scanning textbooks and other large items. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of normajean.brand Sent: Thu 2/21/2008 9:43 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? Has anyone tried out the new FineReader? I know there were discussions, pros and cons on FineReader 8.0 and technical issues with regards to 8.0 for some folks. Just curious. ~NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. I strive to create, innovate, and to research solutions to meet and exceed expectations. -- NJ Brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://nwc.hccs.edu http://learning.nwc.hccs.edu/members/normajean.brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From londerga at indiana.edu Wed Feb 27 10:17:21 2008 From: londerga at indiana.edu (Londergan, M D) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Athen Digest, Vol 25, Issue 38 Processing PDFs into Kurzweil 3000 Files Message-ID: ------------------------- At the Adaptive Technology Center, in the mix of techniques employed to provide e-text for our students, we too process tons of PDF's through Kurzweil 3000. These are mostly PDF's we have received from publishers, PDF's posted as e-readings for a class by instructors, or PDF's we have generated ourselves. We have upgraded OCR Rocket to pick up PDF's as well as the TIFF files from scanning. But, though Kurzweil 3000's ability to open a PDF directly and convert it to a KES file on the fly is tempting, in practice it only works well on certain types of small PDF's. Kurzweil 3000 has more problems converting certain PDF types than others. Notably, PDF's containing any grayscale images will be troublesome when opened in Kurzweil 3000, and the resulting KES file will be around 10x larger than the original PDF and it may take an entire CD to store only 125 pages worth of the resulting KES files. This is odd as Kurzweil 3000 does a better job compressing PDF's with color images. We find that the best way to process most PDF files, especially PDF files that are composed of grayscale or color images, is to send them to the KESI Virtual Printer. For color or grayscale PDF's whose content dictates generating a color KES file, we configure the KESI Virtual printer's preferences for print quality of 300 DPI and set it to use true color (24 bit) output. Otherwise, the black & white KESI Virtual Printer settings are used. The KESI Virtual Printer works by creating a temporary TIFF file that it feeds to Kurzweil 3000, so unfortunately when KESI Virtual printing in true color at 300 DPI, the TIFF file gets rather large when dealing with documents of more than a dozen or so pages! Kurzweil 3000 is limited in that it can't currently process a TIFF file larger than 2GB, and with a color job on the KESI Virtual printer this 2GB limit can be reached within 50-70 pages! If you are getting the message "There was an error loading the requested item" from Kurzweil 3000 when Virtual Printing larger PDF's, then this is likely the problem! Since we often "print" our PDF's to the KESI Virtual Printer from Adobe Reader, we can select the page range to print which allows us to make this process workable by limiting the number of pages we virtual print for a given print job. For smaller page sizes, like a novel, you can print more pages. For larger books, like a standard 8.5x11" text book somewhat less can be virtual printed before hitting the wall (50-70 pages). We do our best to chunk up the books by sections or chapters as appropriate, but always have to fit them into the workable operating constraints. Adobe Reader's printing preferences usually has a page scaling setting that defaults to "Shrink to Printable Area". We usually turn this off (set it to "None") as it allows the text to be slightly larger, and since Adobe reader isn't downscaling the image to fit the page, the OCR results are better. Occasionally we find it necessary to do some image processing of the PDF before it is Virtual Printed or otherwise processed. We frequently use ABBYY finereader to quickly run through the entire PDF to split pages or quickly crop the pages as needed. An entire PDF of 100's of pages can be cropped in a couple minutes and then resaved as a PDF or a multi-page TIFF file as needed for processing in Kurzweil. A side effect of using ABBYY, though, is that it converts all PDF's it processes into bitmap images, so if we are only needing to work on a vector based PDF, then we use Adobe Acrobat Professional to do the processing if possible, as the resulting PDF remains vector based and the original quality is retained. Kurzweil 3000 Version 10 has an interesting quirk/bug in that it frequently fails to find the Intel JPEG Processing Library that it uses internally to do certain image conversions. This can result in KES files that are missing thumbnail images. If you are processing PDF's or TIFF files in Kurzweil 3000 and are getting error messages when trying to close Kurzweil that warn of document corruption (ie: "some DocumentManager objects were not released; document files might be corrupted. Objects are: CNode CNode CLeaf...."), then your installation of Kurzweil 3000 is likely experiencing the same problem. Using system monitoring tools, we discovered that when this is happening, the Kurzweil 3000 process is looking for the "ijl15.dll" (Intel JPEG Processing Library) DLL, but fails to find it. If this is happening to you, it can be fixed simply by copying the "ijl15.dll" file into the "C:\Program Files\Kurzweil Educational Systems\Kurzweil 3000" folder from the "C:\Program Files\Kurzweil Educational Systems\Common Files" folder (be sure the file ends up located in both places). After copying this file to where Kurzweil 3000 is really looking for it, many of our stranger seemingly random Kurzweil 3000 Version 10 problems went away! When we have to scan a book, we still prefer to scan the book into black and white TIFF files using the scanning utility provided with the scanner high speed duplex scanners as this is the fastest and provides the cleanest end results. The scanning utility lets us drop out certain colors (useful for dealing with books that have been highlighted in, have color backgrounds, etc.), and manually set the brightness, contrast, and noise clean-up settings to optimally utilize the scanner. The TIFF files we produce are detected upon creation by the OCR Rocket program and are automatically processed in Kurzweil 3000. If judgment dictates that black and white scanning won't provide the best results, then we normally use our DR-9080C with Kurzweil 3000 to color scan the book directly into Kurzweil 3000. We set the brightness as needed, set the Kurzwiel 3000's OCR for ScanSoft Accurate and set the DynamicThresholding option to "On" for most books and get excellent results. But, as everyone knows this process of color scanning with Kurzweil 3000 is slow. Since Kurzweil 3000 doesn't work with our older DR-9050C scanners, we can't use the DR-9050C's to scan in color with Kurzweil 3000, but we will if we get swamped with texts requiring color scanning use the DR-9050C's to scan to color PDF's which we then KESI Virtual print to get them into Kurzweil. Margaret Londergan and Brian Richwine Manager, Adaptive Technology Centers Bloomington and Indianapolis Indiana University 812-856-4112 londerga@indiana.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of athen-request@athenpro.org Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:50 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 25, Issue 38 Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: File Size (Wiersma, Constance A) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:50:18 -0600 From: "Wiersma, Constance A" Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Message-ID: <6A6DDE8A258FF94D86A95DC1898B909E0165DE45@facmail3.uww.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You can scan materials into .pdf files and then process them directly with Kurzweil using the KESI virtual printer. We scan a number of our books using our Canon photocopier and FTP the file directly to a server from which we download the files and run them through the Kurzweil virtual printer. We use Adobe Acrobat Professional for books that we get from publishers, as they usually come as a single file, often with 500 or even 1000 pages. We "break" the file into chapters, which we then run through Kurzweil and save as KESI files as Kurzweil does not work well if the files are too large. This is a tremendous time saver for our Alternative Media program as we get request to provide hundreds of texts in an alternate format each semester. Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 2:54 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size But Gaeir - in order to use the KESI Virtual Printer don't you need to have Adobe Acrobat Professional? This is not something everyone has access to. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Mon 2/25/2008 3:35 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] File Size The solution is to scan to TIFF, not to PDF. Kurzweil really does not like PDF as much as it does TIFF, and your files will be much smaller. Part of the problem is also that the best way to go from PDF is through the KESI Virtual Printer, not to load the file directly. Using the virtual printer will create smaller files. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of John Elmer Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:51 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] File Size Speaking of file size........ We have found that scanning documents using Capture Perfect with our Canon 9080C into PDF's as Black and White for conversions to K3000 files results in the K3000 files being gigantic. We are better off scanning B/W documents as 24 bit color, as when we convert to K3000 the files are many may times smaller. Do others have similar experience? Solutions? John F. Elmer Alternate Media Specialist Ventura College Educational Assistance Center (DSP&S) 4667 Telegraph Road Ventura, CA 93003 805.654.6400, x1278 -----athen-bounces@athenpro.org wrote: ----- To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" From: "Ron Stewart" Sent by: athen-bounces@athenpro.org Date: 02/21/2008 08:03PM Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? I think it was on the DSSHE list but what we are seeing is files sizes with Abbyy 9 being about 10 times larger than with Abbyy 8. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? There was an extended conversation about Abbyy Fine Reader version 9 on this or another mailing list recently. The problem with Abbyy Version 9 is the size of the files produced in the scanning process. The general consensus is that it is safest to stay with version 8 for the time being especially when scanning textbooks and other large items. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of normajean.brand Sent: Thu 2/21/2008 9:43 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? Has anyone tried out the new FineReader? I know there were discussions, pros and cons on FineReader 8.0 and technical issues with regards to 8.0 for some folks. Just curious... ~NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. 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URL: From rmhaven at stanford.edu Wed Feb 27 12:42:55 2008 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (rmhaven@stanford.edu) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] iListen In-Reply-To: <008801c8797e$1e4ecca0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> References: <008801c8797e$1e4ecca0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <20080227124255.gj2aoeuf40cogswk@webmail.stanford.edu> Hi, Howard! A comparison of recognition accuracy, user interface, user experience, or all of the above? Regardless, the point might be moot since MacSpeech has discontinued iListen in favor of their new product, Dictate, which is based on the Dragon speech recognition engine. - Shelley Quoting Howard Kramer : > Can anyone offer a comparison of iListen (for the Mac) vs. Naturally > Speaking (Windows). > > > > Thanks, > > Howard > > > > Howard Kramer > Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator > AT Conference Coordinator > Disability Services > CU-Boulder, 107 UCB > Boulder, Co 80309 > 303-492-8672 > > > > From edward at ngtvoice.com Thu Feb 28 05:30:04 2008 From: edward at ngtvoice.com (Ed. Rosenthal) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] iListen In-Reply-To: <20080227124255.gj2aoeuf40cogswk@webmail.stanford.edu> References: <008801c8797e$1e4ecca0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> <20080227124255.gj2aoeuf40cogswk@webmail.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <003a01c87a0e$168ab8e0$43a02aa0$@com> We've worked with speech input for many years. I believe that generally the NaturallySpeaking product has had higher initial accuracy, and provides a more complete 'tool kit' to optimize the software. The breadth of the DNS user interface can be disconcerting at first...but ultimately provides a more fluid user experience...if one stays with it. As another poster pointed out MacSpeech recently announced a licensing agreement with Nuance and we're aniticipating a product based on the MREC engine somewhere this year that will run on the Apple OS. (We don't know quite what that will look/feel like, but we're optimistic based on Nuance's past performance.) Edward S. Rosenthal, President and CEO, Next Generation Technologies Inc. 20006 Cedar Valley Rd. #101, Lynnwood, WA 98036 Phone: 425-744-1100 extension 15; Fax: 425-778-5547 E-Mail: edward@ngtvoice.com Skype: ed.rosenthal7 WWW: ngtvoice.com This document may have been generated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking ver. 9 speech recognition software. Please disregard any remaining misrecognitions. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of rmhaven@stanford.edu Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 12:43 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Howard Kramer Cc: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] iListen Hi, Howard! A comparison of recognition accuracy, user interface, user experience, or all of the above? Regardless, the point might be moot since MacSpeech has discontinued iListen in favor of their new product, Dictate, which is based on the Dragon speech recognition engine. - Shelley Quoting Howard Kramer : > Can anyone offer a comparison of iListen (for the Mac) vs. Naturally > Speaking (Windows). > > > > Thanks, > > Howard > > > > Howard Kramer > Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator > AT Conference Coordinator > Disability Services > CU-Boulder, 107 UCB > Boulder, Co 80309 > 303-492-8672 > > > > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From maureens at wsu.edu Thu Feb 28 11:09:34 2008 From: maureens at wsu.edu (Smith, Maureen J) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position Announcement for ListServ Message-ID: Greetings, Washington State University would like to have distributed on the ATHEN Listserv our position announcement for a Director of our Disability Resource Center. 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