From norm.coombs at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 11:38:11 2008 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] EASI Webinars for March Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20080302113639.02223d70@pop.gmail.com> EASI Webinars for March: There are 3 different Webinar formats: Snapshots are short and focused, Webinars are hour-long public presentations and Webinar series are 4-part, fee-based detailed training running for 4 sequential weeks. You can read more and register online at: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm Webinar Snapshot: What is an Accessible Vodcast? (March 5) Webinar Snapshot: FireFox Browser Extensions (March 19) Webinar: Tips and Tricks for Scanning Text (March 6 hour-long) Webinar: Updating NLS Library of Congress Uses of Digital Book Formats (March 20 hour long) Webinar 4-part Series: Creating Accessible and Usable PDF Documents (starting March 11) Snapshot: What is an Accessible Vodcast? Wed. March 5 - 2PM EASTERN (New York) Time Presenter: Dick Banks Dick Banks explains what Vodcasts are and what devices will display them. He will also explain how to add streaming captions to them that will display on small hand-held players. http://easi.cc/clinic.htm Hour-long Webinar: Tips and Tricks for Scanning Text Thursday, March 6 - 2PM EASTERN (New York) Time Presenter: Doug Powles The idea of converting printed materials to text is certainly not new. The technology that makes that possible has certainly changed. This hour long presentation will discuss tips and tricks of scanning materials and getting more accurate results. Things like paper quality, type quality and methods to improve results will be discussed. http://easi.cc/clinic.htm Snapshot: FireFox Browser Extensions Wed. March 19 - 2PM EASTERN (New York) Time Presenter: Dick Banks Firefox is the browser of choice for more and more people because it is not as vulnerable to hacking. Like Internet Explorer, it has many extensions that enhance its uses including helping developers evaluate and test Web pages for Accessibility. http://easi.cc/clinic.htm Open Webinar: Updating NLS Library of Congress Uses of Digital Book Formats Thursday, March 20 - 2PM EASTERN (New York) Time Presenters will include: Lloyd Rasmussen, Acting Head, Engineering Section National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped and 3 consumers who have been part of the pilot digital book test group will discuss their experiences with the new audio DAISY format The Library of Congress National Library Service has been providing book sin special formats such as Braille and talking books for well over half a century. NLS is currently starting to produce new books in a digital audio format with DAISY type navigation. During 2007 it has been conducting a pilot trial with a number of users who were provided a special player and who have been downloading books from the Web. NLS will be issuing new players to its regular customers this year and opening the new digital books for general use. http://easi.cc/clinic.htm Webinar Series: Creating Accessible and Usable PDF Documents Tuesday March 11, 18, 25 and April 1 (2PM EASTERN) (This fee-based series is free to all EASI annual Webinar members) PDF or portable document format is a very popular document type. It was conceived as an electronic way to produce documents with the look and feel of a highly designed print document. It gave the page designer almost total control over how the page would look on anyone's computer monitor. It also began as actually being a picture of the page rather than containing actual text. This was totally inaccessible for someone using a screen reader as there was no text as such just a picture of the text. Adobe has continually worked to make the product richer and more flexible. Screen readers can handle it for the most part and screen magnification software can also enlarge the text without distorting it. Because the various creation software are so many and so rich, the page creator needs to know a bit about PDF formatting and about the accessibility issues and their solutions. For anyone wanting to create quality and more complex PDF documents, there is a need to learn the features provided in Acrobat. Karen McCall has published on PDF accessibility and is a beta tester for Adobe. March 11: Week One: Getting Our Bearings March 18: Week Two: Tagging and Repair Tools March 25: Week three: Intermediate Techniques April 1 : Week Four: The Next Step Full description of these lessons is at: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm You can also read about EASI annual Webinar membership at: http://easi.cc/sub.htm Norm Coombs CEO EASI http://easi.cc From tft at u.washington.edu Sun Mar 2 12:41:42 2008 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] Examples of bad VPATs? Message-ID: <200803022041.m22KffEa002409@smtp.washington.edu> Hi All, I know that many of us have on occasion dissed Voluntary Product Accessibility Templates, but I'm having a hard time at the moment coming up with a specific bad example. Anyone have a good (bad) one to share? If you prefer doing so off-list I promise not to reveal my sources. Thanks, Terry Terry Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology UW Technology Services University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 From mcnameeb at wit.edu Mon Mar 3 06:51:07 2008 From: mcnameeb at wit.edu (McNamee, Bridget) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] Classroom Accommodations Message-ID: <823FE16A6E5CEC4C8E0CE54670D07C9B0248C8DB@EVS2.wit.private> Good Morning All, I have a situation that I would like to run by you. One of our enrolled students for the Fall, 08 semester has disclosed himself as morbidly obese. He does not use a wheelchair, but has difficulty climbing stairs, etc. Our concern lies with the furniture even though the student and his family have not expressed any concerns about this. However, my colleagues and I feel that the student will have some issues fitting in to some of the seating situations on campus. We are also concerned about the weight capacity of the furniture. My question is, do we arrange for alternative seating in advance of the students arrival even though he has not asked for it, or do we wait for the student to bring it up. We are trying to avoid any uncomfortable/embarrassing moments but we do not want to make assumptions about what the student needs because of the sensitive situation. Any advice would be helpful. Bridget Bridget McNamee Disability Outreach Specialist Wentworth Institute of Technology 550 Huntington Avenue Boston, MA 02115-4998 (617) 989-4544 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Mon Mar 3 06:55:52 2008 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] Classroom Accommodations References: <823FE16A6E5CEC4C8E0CE54670D07C9B0248C8DB@EVS2.wit.private> Message-ID: Being a "person of size" myself, I'm always dismayed to walk into any classroom and find that there is no alternative seating whatsoever. People of size aren't the only ones in need of special seating; anyone with mobility issues, leg injuries/damage, or simply arthritis would much rather sit at a table with a chair than one of those combo desk/seat thingies that should have been replaced in the 70's. Our campus still has rooms with those atrocious seating arrangements, but through attrition, are being replaced with simple tables and chairs, that are ultimately adjustable for just about anyone. Good for you for thinking ahead. Now go a step further and start making sure there is alternative seating in every classroom. Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms/IAL Technology and Educational Support Services/ Campus Technology Support Services St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Mon Mar 3 09:24:02 2008 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] Classroom Accommodations In-Reply-To: <823FE16A6E5CEC4C8E0CE54670D07C9B0248C8DB@EVS2.wit.private> References: <823FE16A6E5CEC4C8E0CE54670D07C9B0248C8DB@EVS2.wit.private> Message-ID: <00b801c87d53$c31d8b30$4958a190$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> I think the prudent thing to do would be to have it available upon need and it should be a standard part of every facilities plan in my opinion. It would also be a great step forward to have a variety of seating options available in our classrooms. I know I don't typically fit into those wonderful student desks in most campuses. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of McNamee, Bridget Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 9:51 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Classroom Accommodations Good Morning All, I have a situation that I would like to run by you. One of our enrolled students for the Fall, 08 semester has disclosed himself as morbidly obese. He does not use a wheelchair, but has difficulty climbing stairs, etc. Our concern lies with the furniture even though the student and his family have not expressed any concerns about this. However, my colleagues and I feel that the student will have some issues fitting in to some of the seating situations on campus. We are also concerned about the weight capacity of the furniture. My question is, do we arrange for alternative seating in advance of the students arrival even though he has not asked for it, or do we wait for the student to bring it up. We are trying to avoid any uncomfortable/embarrassing moments but we do not want to make assumptions about what the student needs because of the sensitive situation. Any advice would be helpful. Bridget Bridget McNamee Disability Outreach Specialist Wentworth Institute of Technology 550 Huntington Avenue Boston, MA 02115-4998 (617) 989-4544 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bergerei at gse.harvard.edu Mon Mar 3 09:36:21 2008 From: bergerei at gse.harvard.edu (eileen berger) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] Classroom Accommodations In-Reply-To: <00b801c87d53$c31d8b30$4958a190$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <823FE16A6E5CEC4C8E0CE54670D07C9B0248C8DB@EVS2.wit.private> <00b801c87d53$c31d8b30$4958a190$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <1A63F0606A63C064884B110B@larseng05-2> Hi all, If the student is disabled by his condition he can seek access through the Disability services Office. He may have need of campus transportation services, a referral to medical services for other illnesses or conditions including chronic joint pain, etc. that often accompany morbid obesity. Students can ask ad hoc for any accommodations they want but are always in the uncomfortable position of having to explain circumstances to everyone. The student should be referred to his Disability Services offices which would notify not only the lab but arrange to have accessible seating or other accommodations that is/are reasonable and appropriate for events, programs and classes the student attends. I agree with Ron that a facilities plan for furniture should include having sturdy chairs without arms in each classroom, lab etc. Eileen Berger \HGSE Access and Disability Services 617 495 9608 --On Monday, March 03, 2008 12:24 PM -0500 Ron Stewart wrote: > > > I think the prudent thing to do would be to have it available upon need > and it should be a standard part of every facilities plan in my opinion. > It would also be a great step forward to have a variety of seating > options available in our classrooms. > > > > I know I don't typically fit into those wonderful student desks in most > campuses. > > > > Ron Stewart > > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of McNamee, Bridget > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 9:51 AM > To: athen@athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] Classroom Accommodations > > > > Good Morning All, > > I have a situation that I would like to run by you. One of our > enrolled students for the Fall, 08 semester has disclosed himself as > morbidly obese. He does not use a wheelchair, but has difficulty > climbing stairs, etc. Our concern lies with the furniture even though > the student and his family have not expressed any concerns about this. > However, my colleagues and I feel that the student will have some issues > fitting in to some of the seating situations on campus. We are also > concerned about the weight capacity of the furniture. My question is, do > we arrange for alternative seating in advance of the students arrival > even though he has not asked for it, or do we wait for the student to > bring it up. We are trying to avoid any uncomfortable/embarrassing > moments but we do not want to make assumptions about what the student > needs because of the sensitive situation. Any advice would be helpful. > > Bridget > > > > Bridget McNamee > > Disability Outreach Specialist > > Wentworth Institute of Technology > > 550 Huntington Avenue > > Boston, MA 02115-4998 > > (617) 989-4544 > > From skeegan at htctu.net Mon Mar 3 11:19:53 2008 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] Examples of bad VPATs? In-Reply-To: <200803022041.m22KffEa002409@smtp.washington.edu> References: <200803022041.m22KffEa002409@smtp.washington.edu> Message-ID: <002f01c87d63$8f8bb070$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hi Terry, > I know that many of us have on occasion dissed Voluntary Product > Accessibility Templates, but I'm having a hard time at the moment > coming up with a specific bad example. Are you interested in products that have a VPAT that is inaccurate or one that does not address the actual product parameters? For instance, I have a VPAT on a LCD projector that has completed information under the Video and Multimedia Product category, yet a LCD projector *should* have (IMO) information under Section 508, 1194.23 (checkpoint K, 1-4) and 1194.25. Additionally, several of the projectors have software based interfaces, so that would also necessitate an evaluation under Section 508, 1194.21. In terms of good VPATs, so far the ones that Microsoft provides are decent: http://www.microsoft.com/industry/government/products/section508.mspx Also, Adobe provides some okay VPATs as well: http://www.microsoft.com/industry/government/products/section508.mspx I recently saw a VPAT for Sungard Banner that was very complete. A VPAT I saw for Datatel was extremely brief (e.g., either Not Applicable or Yes). Take care, Sean From gdietrich at htctu.net Mon Mar 3 12:44:58 2008 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] CAPED Call for Proposals In-Reply-To: <00b801c87d53$c31d8b30$4958a190$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <823FE16A6E5CEC4C8E0CE54670D07C9B0248C8DB@EVS2.wit.private> <00b801c87d53$c31d8b30$4958a190$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <010d01c87d6f$738902e0$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Get your thinking caps on and prepare to (virtually) put pen to paper. It's time to submit your proposals for the 2008 CAPED convention held in the beautiful Parc 55 Hotel, downtown San Francisco, October 7-11, 2008. The main convention with breakout sessions will occur October 8-10, Wednesday through Friday. Attached is the Call for Proposals, and you can go to www.caped.net for more information about the convention. To submit your proposals or any questions you might have, please email caped2008@yahoo.com Kindly forward this message to any listservs to which you subscribe. We look forward to reading your proposals and seeing you next to the Golden Gate! --Terri Dr. Terri Goldstein, Director GO Project Long Beach City College 4901 East Carson Street Mail Stop G-13 Long Beach, CA 90808 (562) 938-4720 (562) 938-4457 (fax) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This networking/collaborative relationship will facilitate best practices for providing assistive technologies and the leadership and collective voice necessary to assist our respective schools with providing equal access to technology and educational resources and materials in inclusive settings. Let me know if you need any additional info. Best, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 _____ From: Kreston,Rosemary [mailto:Rose.Kreston@ColoState.EDU] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:42 AM To: Howard.Kramer@colorado.edu Subject: History of ATHES Howard, I'm looking for info on when ATHES, the subcommittee of the Consortium, got started. Do you have that information or do you know someone who could give me some details about it? I want to include it in our history. Thanks. 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It would also be a great step forward to have a variety of seating options available in our classrooms. I know I don?t typically fit into those wonderful student desks in most campuses. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of McNamee, Bridget Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 9:51 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Classroom Accommodations Good Morning All, I have a situation that I would like to run by you. One of our enrolled students for the Fall, 08 semester has disclosed himself as morbidly obese. He does not use a wheelchair, but has difficulty climbing stairs, etc. Our concern lies with the furniture even though the student and his family have not expressed any concerns about this. However, my colleagues and I feel that the student will have some issues fitting in to some of the seating situations on campus. We are also concerned about the weight capacity of the furniture. My question is, do we arrange for alternative seating in advance of the students arrival even though he has not asked for it, or do we wait for the student to bring it up. We are trying to avoid any uncomfortable/embarrassing moments but we do not want to make assumptions about what the student needs because of the sensitive situation. Any advice would be helpful. Bridget Bridget McNamee Disability Outreach Specialist Wentworth Institute of Technology 550 Huntington Avenue Boston, MA 02115-4998 (617) 989-4544 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Rose.Kreston at ColoState.EDU Mon Mar 3 14:52:38 2008 From: Rose.Kreston at ColoState.EDU (Kreston,Rosemary) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] History of ATHES In-Reply-To: <001c01c87d73$f94949e0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> References: <138CFC82CE3DCC408F3998C89C0F50564BE93A9ACB@EVS1.ColoState.EDU> <001c01c87d73$f94949e0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <138CFC82CE3DCC408F3998C89C0F50564BEA4CDF1D@EVS1.ColoState.EDU> Thanks so much, Howard! I will incorporate this into the Consortium history. If any of the rest of the committee members have more to add, please send it my way. Rose From: Howard Kramer [mailto:Howard.Kramer@Colorado.EDU] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:17 PM To: Kreston,Rosemary Cc: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: History of ATHES Hi Rose, Sorry for this very late reply. It looks like ATHES began around the end of 1999. That's the earliest dates I've found on files related to the group. I'm ccing the rest of the group to see if anyone has another recollection but it looks like we first met around October of 1999. I also pasted our original mission statement below: The ATHES seeks to network and collaborate with other AT professionals in higher education in Colorado and Wyoming. This networking/collaborative relationship will facilitate best practices for providing assistive technologies and the leadership and collective voice necessary to assist our respective schools with providing equal access to technology and educational resources and materials in inclusive settings. Let me know if you need any additional info. Best, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 ________________________________ From: Kreston,Rosemary [mailto:Rose.Kreston@ColoState.EDU] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:42 AM To: Howard.Kramer@colorado.edu Subject: History of ATHES Howard, I'm looking for info on when ATHES, the subcommittee of the Consortium, got started. Do you have that information or do you know someone who could give me some details about it? I want to include it in our history. Thanks. Rose Kreston Director, Resources for Disabled Students (970) 491-6385 www.rds.colostate.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsuttondc at earthlink.net Mon Mar 3 17:35:54 2008 From: jsuttondc at earthlink.net (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] DAISY-related Presentations at 2008 CSUN Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080303173236.02c40ae0@earthlink.net> Hello, Athenites: I don't know whether you all call yourselves that, but perhaps you should consider it. At any rate, I thought I'd share this information with you with usual apologies for cross-posting. For those who will be attending CSUN next week, there will be many DAISY-related presentations this year. A list may be found on the DAISY Consortium's Web site, here: http://www.daisy.org/news/news_detail.shtml?NewsId=363 and I'll also paste the list below my name. For details about times and locations, please consult the CSUN conference schedule at: http://www.letsgoexpo.com/expo/index.cfm?EID=80000093 Best, Jennifer -- The Victor Reader Stream - Portable DAISY, NISO, and MP3 Player speaker: Michel Pepin -- Life Cycle of a DAISY Book with Math: From Authoring to Players speakers: Piotr Brzoza, John Gardner, Dennis Leas, Masakazu Suzuki, Neil Soiffer -- DAISY Track: The Most Widely Adopted Accessible Reading Technology in History speakers: Lynn Leith, George Kerscher, David Andrews, Gaeir Dietrich -- DAISY Track: Demand DAISY OK speakers: George Kerscher, Lynn Leith -- Fast and Easy Markup of DTBook Files speaker: Niels Thogersen -- DAISY Track: DAISY Production from a Text Source speakers: George Kerscher, Ron Stewart, Peter Proscia, Dennis Leas, Reed Shaffner From skeegan at htctu.net Mon Mar 3 17:50:26 2008 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Job Announcement Message-ID: <007e01c87d9a$1ef0eb00$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Job Announcement at Cuyamaca College - please see attached document for more information. 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It would also be a great step forward to have a variety of seating options available in our classrooms. I know I don?t typically fit into those wonderful student desks in most campuses. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of McNamee, Bridget Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 9:51 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Classroom Accommodations Good Morning All, I have a situation that I would like to run by you. One of our enrolled students for the Fall, 08 semester has disclosed himself as morbidly obese. He does not use a wheelchair, but has difficulty climbing stairs, etc. Our concern lies with the furniture even though the student and his family have not expressed any concerns about this. However, my colleagues and I feel that the student will have some issues fitting in to some of the seating situations on campus. We are also concerned about the weight capacity of the furniture. My question is, do we arrange for alternative seating in advance of the students arrival even though he has not asked for it, or do we wait for the student to bring it up. We are trying to avoid any uncomfortable/embarrassing moments but we do not want to make assumptions about what the student needs because of the sensitive situation. Any advice would be helpful. Bridget Bridget McNamee Disability Outreach Specialist Wentworth Institute of Technology 550 Huntington Avenue Boston, MA 02115-4998 (617) 989-4544 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Tue Mar 4 14:18:45 2008 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Job announcement In-Reply-To: <138CFC82CE3DCC408F3998C89C0F50564BEA4CDF1D@EVS1.ColoState.EDU> References: <138CFC82CE3DCC408F3998C89C0F50564BE93A9ACB@EVS1.ColoState.EDU><001c01c87d73$f94949e0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> <138CFC82CE3DCC408F3998C89C0F50564BEA4CDF1D@EVS1.ColoState.EDU> Message-ID: <001b01c87e45$b7d8efb0$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> DSPS at College of the Desert has the following position open for fall 2008: DSPS Adaptive Computer Specialist/Instructor This is a fulltime, tenure track faculty position. Salary range is from $57,111 to $72,872 depending on degree and units completed. Detailed information is available at www.collegeofthedesert.edu/FacultyStaff/HumanResources/ Within the next few weeks my replacement position will be posted at the same web address. I am retiring in June. My replacement position will be a management/administrative position and the title will be Director of Student Health and Disability Services. This position will supervise and be house in DSPS, but will also supervise Student Health Services (contract doctor and two adjunct nurses and one clerk), and the college psychologist. With the completion of the new Student Services Center in 2009-10 all these programs will be located on the main floor in two separate office areas (DSPS and Student Health Services) directly across the hall from each other. If you are interested please keep checking the website. I will also announce it on this list serve when the position is posted. Michael J. O'Neill College of the Desert Coordinator of Disabled Students Programs & Services Professor - Special Education Specialist moneill@collegeofthedesert.edu (760) 773-2535 TDD: (760) 773-2598 Fax: (760) 862-1329 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Laurie Vasquez was the first secretary, so she might have more information for you: Laurie Vasquez Santa Barbara City College 721 Cliff Drive Santa Barbara, CA. 93109-2394 805.965.0581 ext. 2529 Fax: 805.884.4966 vasquez@sbcc.net Hope this helps! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kreston,Rosemary Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:53 PM To: Howard Kramer Cc: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] History of ATHES Thanks so much, Howard! I will incorporate this into the Consortium history. If any of the rest of the committee members have more to add, please send it my way. Rose From: Howard Kramer [mailto:Howard.Kramer@Colorado.EDU] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:17 PM To: Kreston,Rosemary Cc: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: History of ATHES Hi Rose, Sorry for this very late reply. It looks like ATHES began around the end of 1999. That's the earliest dates I've found on files related to the group. I'm ccing the rest of the group to see if anyone has another recollection but it looks like we first met around October of 1999. I also pasted our original mission statement below: The ATHES seeks to network and collaborate with other AT professionals in higher education in Colorado and Wyoming. This networking/collaborative relationship will facilitate best practices for providing assistive technologies and the leadership and collective voice necessary to assist our respective schools with providing equal access to technology and educational resources and materials in inclusive settings. Let me know if you need any additional info. Best, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 _____ From: Kreston,Rosemary [mailto:Rose.Kreston@ColoState.EDU] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:42 AM To: Howard.Kramer@colorado.edu Subject: History of ATHES Howard, I'm looking for info on when ATHES, the subcommittee of the Consortium, got started. Do you have that information or do you know someone who could give me some details about it? I want to include it in our history. Thanks. Rose Kreston Director, Resources for Disabled Students (970) 491-6385 www.rds.colostate.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Tue Mar 4 14:29:55 2008 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] History of ATHES In-Reply-To: <002001c87e46$0fb79880$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <138CFC82CE3DCC408F3998C89C0F50564BE93A9ACB@EVS1.ColoState.EDU><001c01c87d73$f94949e0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> <138CFC82CE3DCC408F3998C89C0F50564BEA4CDF1D@EVS1.ColoState.EDU> <002001c87e46$0fb79880$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <023001c87e47$482792f0$d876b8d0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> I think we are talking about two different groups. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:21 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] History of ATHES I have in my notes that the first official meeting was at CSUN in March of 2002. Laurie Vasquez was the first secretary, so she might have more information for you: Laurie Vasquez Santa Barbara City College 721 Cliff Drive Santa Barbara, CA. 93109-2394 805.965.0581 ext. 2529 Fax: 805.884.4966 vasquez@sbcc.net Hope this helps! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kreston,Rosemary Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:53 PM To: Howard Kramer Cc: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] History of ATHES Thanks so much, Howard! I will incorporate this into the Consortium history. If any of the rest of the committee members have more to add, please send it my way. Rose From: Howard Kramer [mailto:Howard.Kramer@Colorado.EDU] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:17 PM To: Kreston,Rosemary Cc: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: History of ATHES Hi Rose, Sorry for this very late reply. It looks like ATHES began around the end of 1999. That's the earliest dates I've found on files related to the group. I'm ccing the rest of the group to see if anyone has another recollection but it looks like we first met around October of 1999. I also pasted our original mission statement below: The ATHES seeks to network and collaborate with other AT professionals in higher education in Colorado and Wyoming. This networking/collaborative relationship will facilitate best practices for providing assistive technologies and the leadership and collective voice necessary to assist our respective schools with providing equal access to technology and educational resources and materials in inclusive settings. Let me know if you need any additional info. Best, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 _____ From: Kreston,Rosemary [mailto:Rose.Kreston@ColoState.EDU] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:42 AM To: Howard.Kramer@colorado.edu Subject: History of ATHES Howard, I'm looking for info on when ATHES, the subcommittee of the Consortium, got started. Do you have that information or do you know someone who could give me some details about it? I want to include it in our history. Thanks. Rose Kreston Director, Resources for Disabled Students (970) 491-6385 www.rds.colostate.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tft at u.washington.edu Tue Mar 4 14:30:13 2008 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] History of ATHES In-Reply-To: <002001c87e46$0fb79880$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <200803042230.m24MUDTj013967@smtp.washington.edu> Gaier, I think you're thinking of the first official ATHEN meeting, and I suspect you and I aren't the only ones confused by this thread! Rose and Howard were talking about ATHES (no, it's not a type-o), the Assistive Technology in Higher Education Sub-committee of the Colorado-Wyoming Consorium of Support for Programs for Students with DIsabilities: http://www.colorado.edu/committees/athes/ Terry Terry Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology UW Technology Services University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:21 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] History of ATHES I have in my notes that the first official meeting was at CSUN in March of 2002. Laurie Vasquez was the first secretary, so she might have more information for you: Laurie Vasquez Santa Barbara City College 721 Cliff Drive Santa Barbara, CA. 93109-2394 805.965.0581 ext. 2529 Fax: 805.884.4966 vasquez@sbcc.net Hope this helps! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kreston,Rosemary Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:53 PM To: Howard Kramer Cc: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] History of ATHES Thanks so much, Howard! I will incorporate this into the Consortium history. If any of the rest of the committee members have more to add, please send it my way. Rose From: Howard Kramer [mailto:Howard.Kramer@Colorado.EDU] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:17 PM To: Kreston,Rosemary Cc: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: History of ATHES Hi Rose, Sorry for this very late reply. It looks like ATHES began around the end of 1999. That's the earliest dates I've found on files related to the group. I'm ccing the rest of the group to see if anyone has another recollection but it looks like we first met around October of 1999. I also pasted our original mission statement below: The ATHES seeks to network and collaborate with other AT professionals in higher education in Colorado and Wyoming. This networking/collaborative relationship will facilitate best practices for providing assistive technologies and the leadership and collective voice necessary to assist our respective schools with providing equal access to technology and educational resources and materials in inclusive settings. Let me know if you need any additional info. Best, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 _____ From: Kreston,Rosemary [mailto:Rose.Kreston@ColoState.EDU] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:42 AM To: Howard.Kramer@colorado.edu Subject: History of ATHES Howard, I'm looking for info on when ATHES, the subcommittee of the Consortium, got started. Do you have that information or do you know someone who could give me some details about it? I want to include it in our history. Thanks. Rose Kreston Director, Resources for Disabled Students (970) 491-6385 www.rds.colostate.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Vasquez at sbcc.edu Tue Mar 4 15:44:03 2008 From: Vasquez at sbcc.edu (Laurie Vasquez) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] History of ATHES In-Reply-To: <002001c87e46$0fb79880$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <138CFC82CE3DCC408F3998C89C0F50564BE93A9ACB@EVS1.ColoState.EDU><001c01c87d73$f94949e0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> <138CFC82CE3DCC408F3998C89C0F50564BEA4CDF1D@EVS1.ColoState.EDU> <002001c87e46$0fb79880$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <47CD6E42.1869.00F8.0@sbcc.edu> I'm lost... :-> Laurie >>> "Gaeir Dietrich" 3/4/2008 2:21 PM >>> I have in my notes that the first official meeting was at CSUN in March of 2002. Laurie Vasquez was the first secretary, so she might have more information for you: Laurie Vasquez Santa Barbara City College 721 Cliff Drive Santa Barbara, CA. 93109-2394 805.965.0581 ext. 2529 Fax: 805.884.4966 vasquez@sbcc.net Hope this helps! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kreston,Rosemary Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:53 PM To: Howard Kramer Cc: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] History of ATHES Thanks so much, Howard! I will incorporate this into the Consortium history. If any of the rest of the committee members have more to add, please send it my way. Rose From: Howard Kramer [mailto:Howard.Kramer@Colorado.EDU] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:17 PM To: Kreston,Rosemary Cc: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: History of ATHES Hi Rose, Sorry for this very late reply. It looks like ATHES began around the end of 1999. That's the earliest dates I've found on files related to the group. I'm ccing the rest of the group to see if anyone has another recollection but it looks like we first met around October of 1999. I also pasted our original mission statement below: The ATHES seeks to network and collaborate with other AT professionals in higher education in Colorado and Wyoming. This networking/collaborative relationship will facilitate best practices for providing assistive technologies and the leadership and collective voice necessary to assist our respective schools with providing equal access to technology and educational resources and materials in inclusive settings. Let me know if you need any additional info. Best, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 _____ From: Kreston,Rosemary [mailto:Rose.Kreston@ColoState.EDU] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:42 AM To: Howard.Kramer@colorado.edu Subject: History of ATHES Howard, I'm looking for info on when ATHES, the subcommittee of the Consortium, got started. Do you have that information or do you know someone who could give me some details about it? I want to include it in our history. Thanks. Rose Kreston Director, Resources for Disabled Students (970) 491-6385 www.rds.colostate.edu From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Tue Mar 4 15:50:10 2008 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] History of ATHES In-Reply-To: <023001c87e47$482792f0$d876b8d0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> References: <138CFC82CE3DCC408F3998C89C0F50564BE93A9ACB@EVS1.ColoState.EDU><001c01c87d73$f94949e0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> <138CFC82CE3DCC408F3998C89C0F50564BEA4CDF1D@EVS1.ColoState.EDU><002001c87e46$0fb79880$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <023001c87e47$482792f0$d876b8d0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Message-ID: <00e201c87e52$7bbed0a0$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Sorry folks - I cced that e-mail to the wrong listserv. -Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 3:30 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] History of ATHES I think we are talking about two different groups. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:21 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] History of ATHES I have in my notes that the first official meeting was at CSUN in March of 2002. Laurie Vasquez was the first secretary, so she might have more information for you: Laurie Vasquez Santa Barbara City College 721 Cliff Drive Santa Barbara, CA. 93109-2394 805.965.0581 ext. 2529 Fax: 805.884.4966 vasquez@sbcc.net Hope this helps! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kreston,Rosemary Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:53 PM To: Howard Kramer Cc: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] History of ATHES Thanks so much, Howard! I will incorporate this into the Consortium history. If any of the rest of the committee members have more to add, please send it my way. Rose From: Howard Kramer [mailto:Howard.Kramer@Colorado.EDU] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:17 PM To: Kreston,Rosemary Cc: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: History of ATHES Hi Rose, Sorry for this very late reply. It looks like ATHES began around the end of 1999. That's the earliest dates I've found on files related to the group. I'm ccing the rest of the group to see if anyone has another recollection but it looks like we first met around October of 1999. I also pasted our original mission statement below: The ATHES seeks to network and collaborate with other AT professionals in higher education in Colorado and Wyoming. This networking/collaborative relationship will facilitate best practices for providing assistive technologies and the leadership and collective voice necessary to assist our respective schools with providing equal access to technology and educational resources and materials in inclusive settings. Let me know if you need any additional info. Best, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 _____ From: Kreston,Rosemary [mailto:Rose.Kreston@ColoState.EDU] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 9:42 AM To: Howard.Kramer@colorado.edu Subject: History of ATHES Howard, I'm looking for info on when ATHES, the subcommittee of the Consortium, got started. Do you have that information or do you know someone who could give me some details about it? I want to include it in our history. Thanks. Rose Kreston Director, Resources for Disabled Students (970) 491-6385 www.rds.colostate.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sykesje at gvsu.edu Wed Mar 5 07:11:27 2008 From: sykesje at gvsu.edu (Jeffrey Sykes) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Gmail accessibility Message-ID: <47CE71CE.1839.0089.0@gvsu.edu> My university is considering Google Gmail as a replacement for the current student email system. I have seen posts discussing Gmail accessibility issues here in the past. Can anyone tell me if the Basic HTML interface works well with JAWS 9, and does it provide the same functionality as the standard Gmail interface? Thanks in advance. Regards, Jeff Sykes Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Support Services Division of Inclusion and Equity Grand Valley State University From jsuttondc at earthlink.net Wed Mar 5 07:21:00 2008 From: jsuttondc at earthlink.net (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Gmail accessibility In-Reply-To: <47CE71CE.1839.0089.0@gvsu.edu> References: <47CE71CE.1839.0089.0@gvsu.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080305071735.02c879f8@earthlink.net> Hello: GMail, with the basic HTML interface, works fine with Window-Eyes 6.1, so I presume that Google has built it so that it's not designed to work with only one screen reader. I don't believe that it has all of the same features and functionality as the "normal" interface, however. Setting up a GMail account with IMAP or POP access may be worth considering. I wouldn't call the basic HTML interface perfect, but it's certainly usable. Jennifer At 07:11 AM 3/5/2008, you wrote: >My university is considering Google Gmail as a replacement for the >current student email system. I have seen posts discussing Gmail >accessibility issues here in the past. > >Can anyone tell me if the Basic HTML interface works well with JAWS >9, and does it provide the same functionality as the standard Gmail interface? > > >Thanks in advance. > >Regards, > >Jeff Sykes >Assistive Technology Coordinator >Disability Support Services >Division of Inclusion and Equity >Grand Valley State University > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >__________ NOD32 2923 (20080305) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From gdausch at notes.cc.sunysb.edu Wed Mar 5 07:35:50 2008 From: gdausch at notes.cc.sunysb.edu (gdausch@notes.cc.sunysb.edu) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Gmail accessibility In-Reply-To: <47CE71CE.1839.0089.0@gvsu.edu> Message-ID: Hello, It is my understanding that Jaws version 9 supports the standard Gmail interface. Glenn Dausch Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Support Services 128 Educational Communications Center Stony Brook University Stony Brook, NY 11794-2662 631 632 6548 "Jeffrey Sykes" Sent by: athen-bounces@athenpro.org 03/05/2008 10:19 AM Please respond to Access Technologists in Higher Education Network To cc Subject [Athen] Gmail accessibility My university is considering Google Gmail as a replacement for the current student email system. I have seen posts discussing Gmail accessibility issues here in the past. Can anyone tell me if the Basic HTML interface works well with JAWS 9, and does it provide the same functionality as the standard Gmail interface? Thanks in advance. Regards, Jeff Sykes Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Support Services Division of Inclusion and Equity Grand Valley State University _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From pratikp1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 07:51:54 2008 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Gmail accessibility In-Reply-To: References: <47CE71CE.1839.0089.0@gvsu.edu> Message-ID: <004101c87ed9$0f1ed120$2d5c7360$@com> I'm afraid, as is the case with many claims from that vendor, That's a bit of an overstatement. While it supports the interface, JAWS behavior is far less than what a typical user might expect while navigating in a web interface. I would highly recommend a standard mail client with pop/imap support over the web interface. However, if that is absolutely impossible, then the standard HTML interface is adequate. The Ajaxy interface is only for advanced users who are not averse to experimenting with various elements. Luckily, GMail has a few redundancies built in so that, even drastic actions like deleting one's e-mail accidentally only leads to one having to go into either the archive or the deleted messages folder to retrieve all of those messages back. Hope this helps. Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of gdausch@notes.cc.sunysb.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:36 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Gmail accessibility Hello, It is my understanding that Jaws version 9 supports the standard Gmail interface. Glenn Dausch Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Support Services 128 Educational Communications Center Stony Brook University Stony Brook, NY 11794-2662 631 632 6548 "Jeffrey Sykes" Sent by: athen-bounces@athenpro.org 03/05/2008 10:19 AM Please respond to Access Technologists in Higher Education Network To cc Subject [Athen] Gmail accessibility My university is considering Google Gmail as a replacement for the current student email system. I have seen posts discussing Gmail accessibility issues here in the past. Can anyone tell me if the Basic HTML interface works well with JAWS 9, and does it provide the same functionality as the standard Gmail interface? Thanks in advance. Regards, Jeff Sykes Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Support Services Division of Inclusion and Equity Grand Valley State University _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From kestrell at panix.com Wed Mar 5 08:20:14 2008 From: kestrell at panix.com (Kestrell) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Gmail accessibility References: <47CE71CE.1839.0089.0@gvsu.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20080305071735.02c879f8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <009701c87edc$cb1f2520$0601000a@Galatea> As a blind Jaws user who dabbles with Gmail, I can state that, while Gmail is accessible, the basic HTML accessible version does not offer all the funtionality of the standard Gmail interface. One specific feature lacing in the accessible interface is the fact that, when you put messages in your delete basket, you then have to go through every email and check them one by one in order to completely delete them. This can be very time consuming considering the amount of messages one deletes every day. I would definitely look into IMAP and POP setups for Gmail, which I have heard work fine and offer the student all the functionality they are used to in their Windows email programs. Kestrell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Sutton" To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [Athen] Gmail accessibility > Hello: > > GMail, with the basic HTML interface, works fine with Window-Eyes > 6.1, so I presume that Google has built it so that it's not designed > to work with only one screen reader. > > I don't believe that it has all of the same features and > functionality as the "normal" interface, however. > > Setting up a GMail account with IMAP or POP access may be worth > considering. > > I wouldn't call the basic HTML interface perfect, but it's certainly > usable. > > Jennifer > > At 07:11 AM 3/5/2008, you wrote: > >>My university is considering Google Gmail as a replacement for the >>current student email system. I have seen posts discussing Gmail >>accessibility issues here in the past. >> >>Can anyone tell me if the Basic HTML interface works well with JAWS >>9, and does it provide the same functionality as the standard Gmail >>interface? >> >> >>Thanks in advance. >> >>Regards, >> >>Jeff Sykes >>Assistive Technology Coordinator >>Disability Support Services >>Division of Inclusion and Equity >>Grand Valley State University >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Athen mailing list >>Athen@athenpro.org >>http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> >>__________ NOD32 2923 (20080305) Information __________ >> >>This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >>http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From tex at humboldt.edu Wed Mar 5 09:40:19 2008 From: tex at humboldt.edu (Cassandra Tex) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? In-Reply-To: <02ad01c877ee$1474f470$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD0A@trinity.trinityumc.local> <004e01c87507$e3fae270$abf0a750$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <02ad01c877ee$1474f470$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.0.20080305093032.01ba99c0@humboldt.edu> Greetings All, I'm considering upgrading to Abbyy version 9.0, but am curious if you have any idea how much larger is "somewhat larger" when one uses the process of scanning to TIFF and then loading the file into FineReader as an image. It sounds like it might not be the 10 times larger that Jim Marks experienced, but do you think it's 2 times, 3 times, etc.? Not looking for absolute figures, just wondering if the size is significant enough to not upgrade at this point. Thoughts? To upgrade or not to upgrade? We are currently using version 7.0 and storage is not currently an issue. Thanks. Cassandra Tex Humboldt State University At 12:36 PM 2/25/2008, Gaeir Dietrich wrote: >I would really recommend scanning to TIFF and >then loading the file into FineReader as an >image?although my understanding is that even >with that process the files are somewhat larger. > >****************************************************** >Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich >High Tech Center Training Unit of the >California Community Colleges >De Anza College, Cupertino, CA >www.htctu.net >408-996-6043 > >---------- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >[mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart >Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:03 PM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? > >I think it was on the DSSHE list but what we are >seeing is files sizes with Abbyy 9 being about >10 times larger than with Abbyy 8. > >Ron Stewart > >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >[mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann >Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:31 PM >To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; athen@athenpro.org >Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? > >There was an extended conversation about Abbyy >Fine Reader version 9 on this or another mailing >list recently. The problem with Abbyy Version 9 >is the size of the files produced in the >scanning process. The general consensus is that >it is safest to stay with version 8 for the time >being especially when scanning textbooks and other large items. > >--------------- >Daniel Berkowitz, CEO >DigiLife Media, LLC >1 Bryant Avenue >Bradford, MA 01835-7424 > >phone: 617-512-4315 >mobile: 978-914-4601 >e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz >web: www.digilifemedia.biz > > >---------- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of normajean.brand >Sent: Thu 2/21/2008 9:43 PM >To: athen@athenpro.org >Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? >Has anyone tried out the new FineReader? I know >there were discussions, pros and cons on >FineReader 8.0 and technical issues with regards >to 8.0 for some folks. Just curious > >~NJ > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Personal Mission Statement >Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. >My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help >solve client's problems is why I'm here. I strive to create, innovate, and to >research solutions to meet and exceed expectations. >-- NJ Brand >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >NJ Brand >Houston Community College-NW >Technical Support and Innovation Center >Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant >Town and Country Square Campus >MC 1379 Room RC13 >1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. >Houston TX 77043 >VM/Office: 713.718.5604 >FAX: 713.718.5430 >Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu >http://nwc.hccs.edu >http://learning.nwc.hccs.edu/members/normajean.brand >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Wed Mar 5 10:00:41 2008 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20080305093032.01ba99c0@humboldt.edu> References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A710FD0A@trinity.trinityumc.local> <004e01c87507$e3fae270$abf0a750$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> <02ad01c877ee$1474f470$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> <7.0.1.0.0.20080305093032.01ba99c0@humboldt.edu> Message-ID: <01c201c87eea$d3ec87c0$7bc59740$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Based on my recent experiences with 9 I just took my two new machines back to versions 8. The size issue was just one, but I also do not like the new interface. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Cassandra Tex Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:40 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? Greetings All, I'm considering upgrading to Abbyy version 9.0, but am curious if you have any idea how much larger is "somewhat larger" when one uses the process of scanning to TIFF and then loading the file into FineReader as an image. It sounds like it might not be the 10 times larger that Jim Marks experienced, but do you think it's 2 times, 3 times, etc.? Not looking for absolute figures, just wondering if the size is significant enough to not upgrade at this point. Thoughts? To upgrade or not to upgrade? We are currently using version 7.0 and storage is not currently an issue. Thanks. Cassandra Tex Humboldt State University At 12:36 PM 2/25/2008, Gaeir Dietrich wrote: I would really recommend scanning to TIFF and then loading the file into FineReader as an image-although my understanding is that even with that process the files are somewhat larger. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [ mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:03 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? I think it was on the DSSHE list but what we are seeing is files sizes with Abbyy 9 being about 10 times larger than with Abbyy 8. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [ mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:31 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? There was an extended conversation about Abbyy Fine Reader version 9 on this or another mailing list recently. The problem with Abbyy Version 9 is the size of the files produced in the scanning process. The general consensus is that it is safest to stay with version 8 for the time being especially when scanning textbooks and other large items. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of normajean.brand Sent: Thu 2/21/2008 9:43 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Abbyy FineReader v9? Has anyone tried out the new FineReader? I know there were discussions, pros and cons on FineReader 8.0 and technical issues with regards to 8.0 for some folks. Just curious. ~NJ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. I strive to create, innovate, and to research solutions to meet and exceed expectations. -- NJ Brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://nwc.hccs.edu http://learning.nwc.hccs.edu/members/normajean.brand ----------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at htctu.net Wed Mar 5 10:09:05 2008 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Gmail accessibility In-Reply-To: <47CE71CE.1839.0089.0@gvsu.edu> References: <47CE71CE.1839.0089.0@gvsu.edu> Message-ID: <000901c87eec$0127b420$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hi Jeff, > Can anyone tell me if the Basic HTML interface works well with > JAWS 9, and does it provide the same functionality as the > standard Gmail interface? A variation of this topic thread came up last month and the discussion is available in the Archives of the ATHEN e-mail list: http://athenpro.org/pipermail/athen_athenpro.org/2008-February/002127.html You are not going to get all the same functionality with the basic HTML interface as you get with the standard Gmail interface. Right now, the standard Gmail interface relies on various AJAX type interfaces for instant messaging, online status, etc. and these user elements are not fully accessible to screen-readers. Take care, Sean From easi.easi at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 11:59:43 2008 From: easi.easi at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for anyone knowing about Softchalk course design system Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20080305115802.045d3250@pop.gmail.com> I have been reading about Softchalk lesson builder. If you or anyone you know is familiar with it, please email me so I can learn from you. norm.coombs@gmail.com EASI Webinars http://easi.cc/clinic.htm "What You See Is What You Get" Web Design a 4-part Webinar Series April 8 EASI April Online Month-long, Courses starting April 7: Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming Train the Trainer http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs, Ph.D. CEO EASI http://easi.cc Laguna Hills CA 92653 From charlie.jordan at asu.edu Wed Mar 5 16:12:33 2008 From: charlie.jordan at asu.edu (Charlie Jordan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Two things Message-ID: <3920DC962E323A46B40D415ADC1CD6C21361BF4C11@EX10.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Two things: 1. Is anyone working with Magpie/video captioning? I'm having problems with an asx file/encoding and playing it thru a Mac with Windows Media Player version 9. Depending on the encoding I pick I can either get it to play without captioning or make windows media player crash. (I can get it play fine on a Windows computer.) Frustrating. Especially since I'm new to captioning. Any ideas would be much appreciated. Also -- not to beat a dead horse, but if you've been captioning, would you mind giving advice about what file formats we should be offering videos in? Many of my institution's promo videos are in quicktime and wmv; are there better choices both for captioning and "playability" features? 2. THANK YOU for the Paypal membership payment thing. Really, really helps in getting the membership paid. Thx much. Charlie Jordan ASU's West campus 602-543-8181 charlie.jordan@asu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at htctu.net Wed Mar 5 16:28:32 2008 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Two things In-Reply-To: <3920DC962E323A46B40D415ADC1CD6C21361BF4C11@EX10.asurite.ad.asu.edu> References: <3920DC962E323A46B40D415ADC1CD6C21361BF4C11@EX10.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <005501c87f21$02c125c0$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> > I'm having problems with an asx file/encoding and playing it thru a Mac with > Windows Media Player version 9. Depending on the encoding I pick I can either get > it to play without captioning or make windows media player crash. What is the encoding that you are selecting? > Also -- not to beat a dead horse, but if you've been captioning, would you mind > giving advice about what file formats we should be offering videos in? Many of my > institution's promo videos are in quicktime and wmv; are there better choices both > for captioning and "playability" features? My two favorite formats right now are QuickTime and FLV (Flash Video). Both seem to work across platforms without too many problems. For those who have a resource on campus that can handle Windows Media content, then that can work as well, but I would also offer the content in one of the other formats as well (QT or FLV). > THANK YOU for the Paypal membership payment thing. The man you want to thank is Joe Humbert. Give him a pat on the back if you see him at CSUN. Take care, Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfoliot at stanford.edu Wed Mar 5 16:46:28 2008 From: jfoliot at stanford.edu (John Foliot - Stanford Online Accessibility Program) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Two things In-Reply-To: <3920DC962E323A46B40D415ADC1CD6C21361BF4C11@EX10.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <005501c87f23$83fc6bc0$7d3d42ab@stanford.edu> Charlie Jordan wrote: > Also -- not to beat a dead horse, but if you've been captioning, > would you mind giving advice about what file formats we should be > offering videos in? Many of my institution's promo videos are in > quicktime and wmv; are there better choices both for captioning and > "playability" features? Repost from earlier today to another list: FLASH CAPTIONED VIDEO: You want to investigate the JW FLV Player. [http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=JW_FLV_Player] Most of the heavy lifting has already been done for you. You will need a copy of Flash CS3 to create your FLV files (or any other flash tool that can export FLV files), and of course you will need a time-stamped Transcript file. JW FLV currently supports files in either the .SRT format or (allegedly the DFXP) .XML format [http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=Making_Video_Accessible], although I have not been able to get that to work (??). However using .SRT, it is/was slick. (You can generate an SRT file using a number of shareware/free tools - I like and have used Subtitle Workshop [http://www.urusoft.net/products.php?lang=1]) Once you have the FLV and SRT files, upload them (along with the JW_FLV Player SWF) to your server, embed some code into your web-page, and presto: YouTube style streaming + captioned video. [http://soap.stanford.edu/jw_flv_player/index.html] Note that the captioning can be toggled on or off (The "T" in the toolbar), and that your videos can be "branded" using a separate, semi-transparent PNG file (cool factor). As an additional benefit, the JW FLV Player can also support an additional descriptive audio file (as MP3) - making it one of the most accessible playback mechanisms I've run across. One item to note: due to security settings in Flash, the SWF, FLV and SRT files all need to originate from the same server, although I have successfully placed the files in individual sub-directories of the root IP address. Hope that helps JF =================================== John Foliot Academic Technology Consultant Stanford Online Accessibility Program http://soap.stanford.edu Stanford University Tel: 650-862-4603 =================================== From tft at u.washington.edu Wed Mar 5 20:58:59 2008 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Two things In-Reply-To: <005501c87f23$83fc6bc0$7d3d42ab@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <200803060459.m264x1RD002761@smtp.washington.edu> I've become a believer in Flash for video because of its widespread cross-platform availability, and because we have so much flexibility to build players that meet our needs, and lots of folks are doing just that. There are many examples of accessible Flash players, two of the most notable being (as John noted) the JW FLV Player and NCAM's ccPlayer: http://ncam.wgbh.org/webaccess/ccforflash/ JW FLV Player in particular is quite impressive - extremely capable and highly customizable. My favorite feature is it's support for audio description. Just record the narration in an MP3 file, tell the player where to find your audio file, and viola! Audio description that users can toggle on or off as needed, just like closed captions. John, you mentioned having problems getting it to handle caption files in the W3C's DFXP format. I had trouble with that initially too, and finally found the problem to be that the player is a bit finicky in its support for DFXP. The two issues I discovered are that the timestamps must be specified with the "begin" and "end" attribute, NOT the "begin" and "dur" attributes. So, this doesn't work even though it's technically valid:

This is my five second caption

But this (also valid) does work:

This is my five second caption

Also, if you have code within your captions (such as
to separate multiple lines of caption text), that needs to be contained within a CDATA tag, like so:

five second caption]]>

Terry Terry Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology UW Technology Services University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of John Foliot > - Stanford Online Accessibility Program > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:46 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Two things > > Charlie Jordan wrote: > > > Also -- not to beat a dead horse, but if you've been > captioning, would > > you mind giving advice about what file formats we should be > offering > > videos in? Many of my institution's promo videos are in > quicktime and > > wmv; are there better choices both for captioning and "playability" > > features? > > Repost from earlier today to another list: > > FLASH CAPTIONED VIDEO: > > You want to investigate the JW FLV Player. > [http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=JW_FLV_Player] Most of > the heavy lifting has already been done for you. > > You will need a copy of Flash CS3 to create your FLV files > (or any other flash tool that can export FLV files), and of > course you will need a time-stamped Transcript file. JW FLV > currently supports files in either the .SRT format or > (allegedly the DFXP) .XML format > [http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=Making_Video_Accessible], > although I have not been able to get that to work (??). > However using .SRT, it is/was slick. > > (You can generate an SRT file using a number of > shareware/free tools - I like and have used Subtitle Workshop > [http://www.urusoft.net/products.php?lang=1]) > > Once you have the FLV and SRT files, upload them (along with > the JW_FLV Player SWF) to your server, embed some code into > your web-page, and presto: > YouTube style streaming + captioned video. > [http://soap.stanford.edu/jw_flv_player/index.html] Note > that the captioning can be toggled on or off (The "T" in the > toolbar), and that your videos can be "branded" using a > separate, semi-transparent PNG file (cool factor). As an > additional benefit, the JW FLV Player can also support an > additional descriptive audio file (as MP3) - making it one of > the most accessible playback mechanisms I've run across. > > One item to note: due to security settings in Flash, the > SWF, FLV and SRT files all need to originate from the same > server, although I have successfully placed the files in > individual sub-directories of the root IP address. > > Hope that helps > > JF > =================================== > John Foliot > Academic Technology Consultant > Stanford Online Accessibility Program > http://soap.stanford.edu > Stanford University > Tel: 650-862-4603 > =================================== > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Thu Mar 6 06:58:58 2008 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] DRM gone bad - for the eText people out there Message-ID: Interesting article in TechDirt this morning. How many of us have had to do this to produce eText or audio files for a student, too? http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080303/004057404.shtml Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms/IAL Technology and Educational Support Services/ Campus Technology Support Services St. Louis Community College at Meramec 314/984-7951 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Charlie - From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:29 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Two things > I'm having problems with an asx file/encoding and playing it thru a Mac with > Windows Media Player version 9. Depending on the encoding I pick I can either get > it to play without captioning or make windows media player crash. What is the encoding that you are selecting? > Also -- not to beat a dead horse, but if you've been captioning, would you mind > giving advice about what file formats we should be offering videos in? Many of my > institution's promo videos are in quicktime and wmv; are there better choices both > for captioning and "playability" features? My two favorite formats right now are QuickTime and FLV (Flash Video). Both seem to work across platforms without too many problems. For those who have a resource on campus that can handle Windows Media content, then that can work as well, but I would also offer the content in one of the other formats as well (QT or FLV). > THANK YOU for the Paypal membership payment thing. The man you want to thank is Joe Humbert. Give him a pat on the back if you see him at CSUN. Take care, Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mritter at missouriwestern.edu Tue Mar 4 08:18:24 2008 From: mritter at missouriwestern.edu (Michael Ritter) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Classroom Accommodations In-Reply-To: <823FE16A6E5CEC4C8E0CE54670D07C9B0248C8DB@EVS2.wit.private> References: <823FE16A6E5CEC4C8E0CE54670D07C9B0248C8DB@EVS2.wit.private> Message-ID: <47CD21F0.B54A.0026.0@missouriwestern.edu> Hi Bridget, I think you are handling this the best way possible. Express your concerns, let the student know that other arrangements can be made upon his request, then toss the ball back to the student and allow him to decide how to proceed. The way I handle this tactfully is to bury the question regarding accessible seating within a list of other available accommodations. Example: Are you requesting extended time, e-text, accessible seating arrangements, audio books, adaptive technology training, etc. I hope this helps. Have a great day in Boston, Michael Ritter Michael Ritter Disability Services Coordinator A.D.A.committee member Missouri Western State University 4525 Downs Drive St Joseph MO 64507 (816) 271-4330 mritter@missouriwestern.edu >>> "McNamee, Bridget" 3/3/2008 8:51 AM >>> Good Morning All, I have a situation that I would like to run by you. One of our enrolled students for the Fall, 08 semester has disclosed himself as morbidly obese. He does not use a wheelchair, but has difficulty climbing stairs, etc. Our concern lies with the furniture even though the student and his family have not expressed any concerns about this. However, my colleagues and I feel that the student will have some issues fitting in to some of the seating situations on campus. We are also concerned about the weight capacity of the furniture. My question is, do we arrange for alternative seating in advance of the students arrival even though he has not asked for it, or do we wait for the student to bring it up. We are trying to avoid any uncomfortable/embarrassing moments but we do not want to make assumptions about what the student needs because of the sensitive situation. Any advice would be helpful. Bridget Bridget McNamee Disability Outreach Specialist Wentworth Institute of Technology 550 Huntington Avenue Boston, MA 02115-4998 (617) 989-4544 From ron at ahead.org Thu Mar 6 09:20:19 2008 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] CSUN Alt Format Workshops Message-ID: <00c401c87fae$5b8db5f0$12a921d0$@org> Brought to you by your friends at AHEAD and Dolphin Computer Access Ron Stewart Alternative Format Workshops DAISY, NIMAS, E-Text, Alt Format. Do you have more acronyms than answers when it comes to meeting the alt format needs of your students with print disabilities? Ron Stewart Chair of the AHEAD's E-Text Solutions Group and VP for Operations from Dolphin Computer Access can offer you some help. We will be setting up a full production station and providing FREE private hands on trainings using a variety of products including the Easy family of products from Dolphin at the CSUN conference March 13 & 14th. You will be taken step by step through the process from scanning to final production of the specific form of alt media that your students needs to be successful. These trainings will be offered on a first come first serve basis to a limited number of participants, ensuring each attendee is involved in the creation process. During the workshop why not pick the brains of Ron on everything AltFormat whilst enjoying the complementary croissants and bagels. The trainings will be held in our training room at the Courtyard Marriott hotel just a short walk or a short shuttle hop from the conference location at the Marriott LAX. Please book your place today to avoid missing out on this opportunity to attend this workshop conducted by one of the world's foremost DAISY/AltFormat experts. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djbrky at bu.edu Thu Mar 6 10:47:25 2008 From: djbrky at bu.edu (Daniel Berkowitz) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Meeting at CSUN(?) In-Reply-To: <00c401c87fae$5b8db5f0$12a921d0$@org> References: <00c401c87fae$5b8db5f0$12a921d0$@org> Message-ID: <20080306134725.icanxuswgccook8s@www.bu.edu> Just a heads up to all interested parties that the semi-annual business meeting and gethering of the Access Technologist Higher Education Network (ATHEN) is NOT as yet scheduled for CSUN 2008. You read that right - if you are waiting word on when ATHEN will meet you will have to cool your jets a little longer. We have not as of yet been assigned a meeting spot or allocated time by the Central Scrutinizer. Keep an eye on your email and blackberry during this weekend and uring the conference for updates. Best -- Secretary Dann -- Daniel Berkowitz - Doctoral Student Boston University School of Education email: djbrky@bu.edu phone: 978-914-4601 Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC email: dann@digilifemedia.biz phone: 978-914-4601 web: www.digilifemedia.biz From bergerei at gse.harvard.edu Thu Mar 6 12:26:31 2008 From: bergerei at gse.harvard.edu (eileen berger) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] screen reader Message-ID: Hi all, What screen reader is best for a mac when the student with a learning disability uses it only for text reading? Thanks, Eileen From jbailey at uoregon.edu Thu Mar 6 12:52:49 2008 From: jbailey at uoregon.edu (James Bailey) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] screen reader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1204836769.717627.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> Kurzweil 3000 for the mac. -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu On Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:26:31 -0500, eileen berger wrote: > Hi all, > What screen reader is best for a mac when the student with a learning > disability uses it only for text reading? > Thanks, > Eileen > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From hascherdss at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 13:09:26 2008 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] screen reader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6e0d34c90803061309udf91fcco4103b8375cccc1bb@mail.gmail.com> Hi Eileen, At the beginning of February Ryan Collier brought up Ghost Reader on the listserv. I haven't tried it out yet, but from what he said and the website, it sounds similar to TextAloud or Read Please. And cost is cheaper than Kurzweil for students who are on tight budgets. http://www.convenienceware.com/index.php Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tty) On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:26 PM, eileen berger wrote: > Hi all, > What screen reader is best for a mac when the student with a learning > disability uses it only for text reading? > Thanks, > Eileen > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dann at trinityumc.info Thu Mar 6 13:34:20 2008 From: dann at trinityumc.info (dann) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] screen reader References: <6e0d34c90803061309udf91fcco4103b8375cccc1bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A717CFC9@trinity.trinityumc.local> GhostReader works great with OSX! The trial version is limited in how long it will work and upgrading to the single voice version is only $40.00 and dowloaded from the web. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of Heidi Scher Sent: Thu 3/6/2008 4:09 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader Hi Eileen, At the beginning of February Ryan Collier brought up Ghost Reader on the listserv. I haven't tried it out yet, but from what he said and the website, it sounds similar to TextAloud or Read Please. And cost is cheaper than Kurzweil for students who are on tight budgets. http://www.convenienceware.com/index.php Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tty) On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:26 PM, eileen berger wrote: Hi all, What screen reader is best for a mac when the student with a learning disability uses it only for text reading? Thanks, Eileen _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From FosterS at sou.edu Thu Mar 6 13:52:42 2008 From: FosterS at sou.edu (Shawn Foster) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] screen reader In-Reply-To: <6e0d34c90803061309udf91fcco4103b8375cccc1bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e0d34c90803061309udf91fcco4103b8375cccc1bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47CFF72A.82C6.005A.0@sou.edu> I've used Ghost Reader.... for text reading only, and for students who'd like to be able to quickly create iTunes tracks, it's a good deal. Voices are quite nice, actually. Obviously, not as full-featured as Kurzweil, but for less than $30, it's a nice little app. Shawn Foster Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Services for Students Southern Oregon University V/TTY: (541)552-6213 >>> On 3/6/2008 at 1:09 PM, in message <6e0d34c90803061309udf91fcco4103b8375cccc1bb@mail.gmail.com>, "Heidi Scher" wrote: Hi Eileen, At the beginning of February Ryan Collier brought up Ghost Reader on the listserv. I haven't tried it out yet, but from what he said and the website, it sounds similar to TextAloud or Read Please. And cost is cheaper than Kurzweil for students who are on tight budgets. http://www.convenienceware.com/index.php Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access Universityof Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tty) On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:26 PM, eileen berger wrote: Hi all, What screen reader is best for a mac when the student with a learning disability uses it only for text reading? Thanks, Eileen _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmhaven at stanford.edu Thu Mar 6 15:55:58 2008 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (rmhaven@stanford.edu) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] screen reader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080306155558.49oduzjjswwowggo@webmail.stanford.edu> I'll second (third, fourth, fifth) the previous accolades about GhostReader. It only does a few things (read aloud with human-sounding voices, highlight while reading, and convert to MP3) but does them very well. Several Stanford students use it. I even relied on its earlier incarnation (TextParrot) for quick-and-dirty augmentative communication when my mouth was wired shut because of a jaw fracture back in 2006. (People came to know me as "Hi, I'm Heather, the female American English speech synthesis voice from Acapela...".) - Shelley Haven Quoting eileen berger : > Hi all, > What screen reader is best for a mac when the student with a learning > disability uses it only for text reading? > Thanks, > Eileen > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From Michael.Nusen at ppcc.edu Thu Mar 6 17:43:18 2008 From: Michael.Nusen at ppcc.edu (Nusen, Michael) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] screen reader In-Reply-To: <20080306155558.49oduzjjswwowggo@webmail.stanford.edu> References: <20080306155558.49oduzjjswwowggo@webmail.stanford.edu> Message-ID: Does anyone have any feedback regarding the free built-in VoiceOver application in OSX? I only spent an hour with it and was surprised that it seemed like there would be a very high learning curve with all of the keyboard commands to learn. Thank you, Michael Nusen Coordinator, OASIS/CAC (Office of Accommodative Services and Instructional Support/Computer Access Center) Pikes Peak Community College michael.nusen@ppcc.edu 719-502-3022 -----Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of rmhaven@stanford.edu Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:56 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; eileen berger Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader I'll second (third, fourth, fifth) the previous accolades about GhostReader. It only does a few things (read aloud with human-sounding voices, highlight while reading, and convert to MP3) but does them very well. Several Stanford students use it. I even relied on its earlier incarnation (TextParrot) for quick-and-dirty augmentative communication when my mouth was wired shut because of a jaw fracture back in 2006. (People came to know me as "Hi, I'm Heather, the female American English speech synthesis voice from Acapela...".) - Shelley Haven Quoting eileen berger : > Hi all, > What screen reader is best for a mac when the student with a learning > disability uses it only for text reading? > Thanks, > Eileen -----Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:34 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader GhostReader works great with OSX! The trial version is limited in how long it will work and upgrading to the single voice version is only $40.00 and dowloaded from the web. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz -----Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Foster Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:53 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader > I've used Ghost Reader.... for text reading only, and for students who'd like to be able to quickly create iTunes tracks, it's a good deal. Voices are quite nice, actually. Obviously, not as full-featured as Kurzweil, but for less than $30, it's a nice little app. Shawn Foster Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Services for Students Southern Oregon University V/TTY: (541)552-6213 >>> On 3/6/2008 at 1:09 PM, in message <6e0d34c90803061309udf91fcco4103b8375cccc1bb@mail.gmail.com>, "Heidi Scher" wrote: Hi Eileen, At the beginning of February Ryan Collier brought up Ghost Reader on the listserv. I haven't tried it out yet, but from what he said and the website, it sounds similar to TextAloud or Read Please. And cost is cheaper than Kurzweil for students who are on tight budgets. http://www.convenienceware.com/index.php Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tty) -----Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of James Bailey Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 1:53 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader Kurzweil 3000 for the mac. -----Original Message----- On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:26 PM, eileen berger wrote: Hi all, What screen reader is best for a mac when the student with a learning disability uses it only for text reading? Thanks, Eileen _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From thaven at hawaii.edu Thu Mar 6 17:51:35 2008 From: thaven at hawaii.edu (Teresa LW Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] screen reader In-Reply-To: References: <20080306155558.49oduzjjswwowggo@webmail.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <007e01c87ff5$c69ca990$73d569a8@KOKUAAT> I've worked with it some, although not yet enough for my own satisfaction and knowledge of the program. The number of keyboard commands to learn isn't as high as JAWS, for example, but one way or another you have to have a fairly large set of commands in order to have decent functionality in a true screen-reader. I found that the keyboard learning function was helpful. My existing knowledge of JAWS and Windows keyboard commands kept getting in my way in that commands for Mac and for Windows are quite different, so perhaps a regular Mac user or someone otherwise "uncontaminated" by JAWS and Windows would have a better learning curve... ;) Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Haven Access Technology Specialist KOKUA Program University of Hawai'i Manoa +++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Nusen, Michael Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 3:43 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader Does anyone have any feedback regarding the free built-in VoiceOver application in OSX? I only spent an hour with it and was surprised that it seemed like there would be a very high learning curve with all of the keyboard commands to learn. Thank you, Michael Nusen Coordinator, OASIS/CAC (Office of Accommodative Services and Instructional Support/Computer Access Center) Pikes Peak Community College michael.nusen@ppcc.edu 719-502-3022 -----Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of rmhaven@stanford.edu Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:56 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; eileen berger Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader I'll second (third, fourth, fifth) the previous accolades about GhostReader. It only does a few things (read aloud with human-sounding voices, highlight while reading, and convert to MP3) but does them very well. Several Stanford students use it. I even relied on its earlier incarnation (TextParrot) for quick-and-dirty augmentative communication when my mouth was wired shut because of a jaw fracture back in 2006. (People came to know me as "Hi, I'm Heather, the female American English speech synthesis voice from Acapela...".) - Shelley Haven Quoting eileen berger : > Hi all, > What screen reader is best for a mac when the student with a learning > disability uses it only for text reading? > Thanks, > Eileen -----Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:34 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader GhostReader works great with OSX! The trial version is limited in how long it will work and upgrading to the single voice version is only $40.00 and dowloaded from the web. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz -----Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Foster Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:53 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader > I've used Ghost Reader.... for text reading only, and for students who'd like to be able to quickly create iTunes tracks, it's a good deal. Voices are quite nice, actually. Obviously, not as full-featured as Kurzweil, but for less than $30, it's a nice little app. Shawn Foster Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Services for Students Southern Oregon University V/TTY: (541)552-6213 >>> On 3/6/2008 at 1:09 PM, in message <6e0d34c90803061309udf91fcco4103b8375cccc1bb@mail.gmail.com>, "Heidi Scher" wrote: Hi Eileen, At the beginning of February Ryan Collier brought up Ghost Reader on the listserv. I haven't tried it out yet, but from what he said and the website, it sounds similar to TextAloud or Read Please. And cost is cheaper than Kurzweil for students who are on tight budgets. http://www.convenienceware.com/index.php Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tty) -----Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of James Bailey Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 1:53 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader Kurzweil 3000 for the mac. -----Original Message----- On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:26 PM, eileen berger wrote: Hi all, What screen reader is best for a mac when the student with a learning disability uses it only for text reading? Thanks, Eileen _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From Michael.Nusen at ppcc.edu Thu Mar 6 18:52:38 2008 From: Michael.Nusen at ppcc.edu (Nusen, Michael) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] screen reader In-Reply-To: <007e01c87ff5$c69ca990$73d569a8@KOKUAAT> References: <20080306155558.49oduzjjswwowggo@webmail.stanford.edu> <007e01c87ff5$c69ca990$73d569a8@KOKUAAT> Message-ID: Teresa - Great points & I had the same issue re the confusion btwn all the different sets of keyboard commands. Thx, Michael -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa LW Haven Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:52 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader I've worked with it some, although not yet enough for my own satisfaction and knowledge of the program. The number of keyboard commands to learn isn't as high as JAWS, for example, but one way or another you have to have a fairly large set of commands in order to have decent functionality in a true screen-reader. I found that the keyboard learning function was helpful. My existing knowledge of JAWS and Windows keyboard commands kept getting in my way in that commands for Mac and for Windows are quite different, so perhaps a regular Mac user or someone otherwise "uncontaminated" by JAWS and Windows would have a better learning curve... ;) Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Haven Access Technology Specialist KOKUA Program University of Hawai'i Manoa +++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Nusen, Michael Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 3:43 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader Does anyone have any feedback regarding the free built-in VoiceOver application in OSX? I only spent an hour with it and was surprised that it seemed like there would be a very high learning curve with all of the keyboard commands to learn. Thank you, Michael Nusen Coordinator, OASIS/CAC (Office of Accommodative Services and Instructional Support/Computer Access Center) Pikes Peak Community College michael.nusen@ppcc.edu 719-502-3022 -----Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of rmhaven@stanford.edu Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:56 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; eileen berger Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader I'll second (third, fourth, fifth) the previous accolades about GhostReader. It only does a few things (read aloud with human-sounding voices, highlight while reading, and convert to MP3) but does them very well. Several Stanford students use it. I even relied on its earlier incarnation (TextParrot) for quick-and-dirty augmentative communication when my mouth was wired shut because of a jaw fracture back in 2006. (People came to know me as "Hi, I'm Heather, the female American English speech synthesis voice from Acapela...".) - Shelley Haven Quoting eileen berger : > Hi all, > What screen reader is best for a mac when the student with a learning > disability uses it only for text reading? > Thanks, > Eileen -----Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:34 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader GhostReader works great with OSX! The trial version is limited in how long it will work and upgrading to the single voice version is only $40.00 and dowloaded from the web. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz -----Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Foster Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:53 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader > I've used Ghost Reader.... for text reading only, and for students who'd like to be able to quickly create iTunes tracks, it's a good deal. Voices are quite nice, actually. Obviously, not as full-featured as Kurzweil, but for less than $30, it's a nice little app. Shawn Foster Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Services for Students Southern Oregon University V/TTY: (541)552-6213 >>> On 3/6/2008 at 1:09 PM, in message <6e0d34c90803061309udf91fcco4103b8375cccc1bb@mail.gmail.com>, "Heidi Scher" wrote: Hi Eileen, At the beginning of February Ryan Collier brought up Ghost Reader on the listserv. I haven't tried it out yet, but from what he said and the website, it sounds similar to TextAloud or Read Please. And cost is cheaper than Kurzweil for students who are on tight budgets. http://www.convenienceware.com/index.php Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tty) -----Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of James Bailey Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 1:53 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader Kurzweil 3000 for the mac. -----Original Message----- On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:26 PM, eileen berger wrote: Hi all, What screen reader is best for a mac when the student with a learning disability uses it only for text reading? Thanks, Eileen _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From pratikp1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 19:06:27 2008 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] screen reader In-Reply-To: References: <20080306155558.49oduzjjswwowggo@webmail.stanford.edu> <007e01c87ff5$c69ca990$73d569a8@KOKUAAT> Message-ID: <013f01c88000$416d3310$c4479930$@com> Hello all, In many cases, the Voiceover commands are quite simple. The learning curve is not necessarily Voiceover but an entirely different operating system. There are different keyboard conventions in OSX than in Windows. Voiceover uses a different model for navigation than implemented by major windows screen readers and I would argue that understanding the different model is key to using Voiceover successfully. I would recommend taking a look at the getting started guide available in DAISY form http://w3.wmcnet.org. You can also find the guide in PDF at the site. Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Nusen, Michael Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:53 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader Teresa - Great points & I had the same issue re the confusion btwn all the different sets of keyboard commands. Thx, Michael -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa LW Haven Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 6:52 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader I've worked with it some, although not yet enough for my own satisfaction and knowledge of the program. The number of keyboard commands to learn isn't as high as JAWS, for example, but one way or another you have to have a fairly large set of commands in order to have decent functionality in a true screen-reader. I found that the keyboard learning function was helpful. My existing knowledge of JAWS and Windows keyboard commands kept getting in my way in that commands for Mac and for Windows are quite different, so perhaps a regular Mac user or someone otherwise "uncontaminated" by JAWS and Windows would have a better learning curve... ;) Teresa +++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa Haven Access Technology Specialist KOKUA Program University of Hawai'i Manoa +++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Nusen, Michael Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 3:43 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader Does anyone have any feedback regarding the free built-in VoiceOver application in OSX? I only spent an hour with it and was surprised that it seemed like there would be a very high learning curve with all of the keyboard commands to learn. Thank you, Michael Nusen Coordinator, OASIS/CAC (Office of Accommodative Services and Instructional Support/Computer Access Center) Pikes Peak Community College michael.nusen@ppcc.edu 719-502-3022 -----Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of rmhaven@stanford.edu Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:56 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; eileen berger Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader I'll second (third, fourth, fifth) the previous accolades about GhostReader. It only does a few things (read aloud with human-sounding voices, highlight while reading, and convert to MP3) but does them very well. Several Stanford students use it. I even relied on its earlier incarnation (TextParrot) for quick-and-dirty augmentative communication when my mouth was wired shut because of a jaw fracture back in 2006. (People came to know me as "Hi, I'm Heather, the female American English speech synthesis voice from Acapela...".) - Shelley Haven Quoting eileen berger : > Hi all, > What screen reader is best for a mac when the student with a learning > disability uses it only for text reading? > Thanks, > Eileen -----Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of dann Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:34 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader GhostReader works great with OSX! The trial version is limited in how long it will work and upgrading to the single voice version is only $40.00 and dowloaded from the web. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz -----Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Foster Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:53 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader > I've used Ghost Reader.... for text reading only, and for students who'd like to be able to quickly create iTunes tracks, it's a good deal. Voices are quite nice, actually. Obviously, not as full-featured as Kurzweil, but for less than $30, it's a nice little app. Shawn Foster Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Services for Students Southern Oregon University V/TTY: (541)552-6213 >>> On 3/6/2008 at 1:09 PM, in message <6e0d34c90803061309udf91fcco4103b8375cccc1bb@mail.gmail.com>, "Heidi Scher" wrote: Hi Eileen, At the beginning of February Ryan Collier brought up Ghost Reader on the listserv. I haven't tried it out yet, but from what he said and the website, it sounds similar to TextAloud or Read Please. And cost is cheaper than Kurzweil for students who are on tight budgets. http://www.convenienceware.com/index.php Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tty) -----Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of James Bailey Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 1:53 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader Kurzweil 3000 for the mac. -----Original Message----- On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:26 PM, eileen berger wrote: Hi all, What screen reader is best for a mac when the student with a learning disability uses it only for text reading? Thanks, Eileen _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From rmhaven at stanford.edu Thu Mar 6 19:09:20 2008 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (rmhaven@stanford.edu) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] screen reader In-Reply-To: References: <20080306155558.49oduzjjswwowggo@webmail.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20080306190920.7oe59o0w00wsg40k@webmail.stanford.edu> Hi, Michael! Yes, it does have a high learning curve -- not as bad as JAWS, but then again it's also not as "robust" as JAWS. It has some particularly nice features which would serve users with visual impairments or learning disabilities -- e.g., a variable transparency Caption Panel which essentially extracts the text being read and displays it in a separate window with a selectable number of lines and font size. My biggest issue with VoiceOver as an aid for students needing just text-to-speech is that it's a true "screen reader", meaning it voices not only the selected text, but also status messages, text attributes, and menu items. You can't turn off this verbosity, but you can reduce the volume on these to 1 (it won't allow zero) while keeping the voice volume for content at 100. - Shelley Haven Quoting "Nusen, Michael" : > Does anyone have any feedback regarding the free built-in VoiceOver > application in OSX? > > I only spent an hour with it and was surprised that it seemed like there > would be a very high learning curve with all of the keyboard commands to > learn. > > Thank you, > > Michael Nusen > Coordinator, OASIS/CAC > (Office of Accommodative Services and Instructional Support/Computer > Access Center) > Pikes Peak Community College > michael.nusen@ppcc.edu > 719-502-3022 > > -----Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of rmhaven@stanford.edu > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:56 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; eileen berger > Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader > > I'll second (third, fourth, fifth) the previous accolades about > GhostReader. It only does a few things (read aloud with > human-sounding voices, highlight while reading, and convert to MP3) > but does them very well. Several Stanford students use it. I even > relied on its earlier incarnation (TextParrot) for quick-and-dirty > augmentative communication when my mouth was wired shut because of a > jaw fracture back in 2006. (People came to know me as "Hi, I'm > Heather, the female American English speech synthesis voice from > Acapela...".) > > - Shelley Haven > > > Quoting eileen berger : > >> Hi all, >> What screen reader is best for a mac when the student with a learning >> disability uses it only for text reading? >> Thanks, >> Eileen > > -----Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of dann > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:34 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network; Access > Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader > > GhostReader works great with OSX! The trial version is limited in how > long it will work and upgrading to the single voice version is only > $40.00 and dowloaded from the web. > > --------------- > Daniel Berkowitz, CEO > DigiLife Media, LLC > 1 Bryant Avenue > Bradford, MA 01835-7424 > > phone: 617-512-4315 > mobile: 978-914-4601 > e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz > web: www.digilifemedia.biz > > > -----Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Shawn Foster > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:53 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader > >> I've used Ghost Reader.... for text reading only, and for students > who'd like to be able to quickly create iTunes tracks, it's a good deal. > Voices are quite nice, actually. Obviously, not as full-featured as > Kurzweil, but for less than $30, it's a nice little app. > > > Shawn Foster > Assistive Technology Specialist > Disability Services for Students > Southern Oregon University > V/TTY: (541)552-6213 > > >>>> On 3/6/2008 at 1:09 PM, in message > <6e0d34c90803061309udf91fcco4103b8375cccc1bb@mail.gmail.com>, "Heidi > Scher" wrote: > Hi Eileen, > > At the beginning of February Ryan Collier brought up Ghost Reader on the > listserv. I haven't tried it out yet, but from what he said and the > website, it sounds similar to TextAloud or Read Please. And cost is > cheaper than Kurzweil for students who are on tight budgets. > > http://www.convenienceware.com/index.php > > Heidi > > -- > Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC > Interim Assistant Director > Center for Educational Access > University of Arkansas > 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 > Fayetteville, AR 72701 > (479) 575-3104 (voice) > (479) 575-7445 (fax) > (479) 575-3646 (tty) > > -----Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of James Bailey > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 1:53 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] screen reader > > > > Kurzweil 3000 for the mac. > > -----Original Message----- > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:26 PM, eileen berger > wrote: > Hi all, > What screen reader is best for a mac when the student with a learning > disability uses it only for text reading? > Thanks, > Eileen > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From rmhaven at stanford.edu Thu Mar 6 19:13:32 2008 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (rmhaven@stanford.edu) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] screen reader In-Reply-To: <20080306190920.7oe59o0w00wsg40k@webmail.stanford.edu> References: <20080306155558.49oduzjjswwowggo@webmail.stanford.edu> <20080306190920.7oe59o0w00wsg40k@webmail.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20080306191332.50m1erse1wk00wg0@webmail.stanford.edu> Quoting rmhaven@stanford.edu: > It has some particularly nice > features which would serve users with visual impairments or learning > disabilities... I meant to say "It has some particularly nice features which would serve users with LOW VISION or learning disabilities..." -- sorry. - Shelley From gdietrich at htctu.net Fri Mar 7 10:57:12 2008 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Job announcement In-Reply-To: <20080306191332.50m1erse1wk00wg0@webmail.stanford.edu> References: <20080306155558.49oduzjjswwowggo@webmail.stanford.edu><20080306190920.7oe59o0w00wsg40k@webmail.stanford.edu> <20080306191332.50m1erse1wk00wg0@webmail.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <003d01c88085$0e25e7b0$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Hi all.... The link below is a Job Announcement (Dean of Deaf Studies and Special Services) at Ohlone College. http://www.ohlone.edu/org/hr/jobs/job0805-deandeafstudies.html Please share this announcement with any interested applicants. Thanks you! Ann Burdett DSPS Director Ohlone College From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Fri Mar 7 11:23:48 2008 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Request for Proposals - Accessing Higher Ground Message-ID: <000701c88088$c53ee480$ca5f8a80@ad.colorado.edu> Dear Colleagues: This is just a reminder that the 1st round of proposals for AHG 2008 are due by the end of the month. I'm not sure if I'll be able to send an attachment via the listserv, so I'm pasting the invitation flyer below. You can pick up a Word version of the proposal from the AHG web site: www.colorado.edu/ATconference . I plan to have an interactive PDF version up shortly. For those of you attending CSUN, see you next week. -Howard Request for Proposals Accessing Higher Ground Accessible Media, Web & Technology Conference November 11-14, 2008 Millennium Hotel - Boulder, Colorado The University of Colorado at Boulder invites speaker proposals for its 11th annual Accessing Higher Ground Conference. The conference, which takes place adjacent to the Boulder campus, focuses on the implementation and benefits of Assistive Technology and Accessible Media in the university and college setting. Other topic areas cover legal and policy issues, including ADA and 508 compliance. The creation of accessible media and information resources, including Web pages and library resources are a particular focus of the conference. For the main conference, accepted out-of-town speakers will receive a 15% discount off conference registration fees. Local speakers will receive a 5% discount. Additional incentives are provided for accepted pre-conference proposals. For more information, use the contact information below. To see a list of past workshops or obtain a presenter application form, visit our conference page at the URL below. Please mail, fax or e-mail the completed application to Disability Services at CU-Boulder by March 30 if you are interested in presenting. You can also request a conference registration packet (mailed in August) at the URL below. Contact Information Disability Services: 303-492-8671 e-mail: hkramer@colorado.edu Conference URL: www.colorado.edu/ATconference Contact Information Disability Services: 303-492-8671 e-mail: hkramer@colorado.edu Confe Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any location or shuttle related complaints should be lodged with the CSUN conference management) Here are the meeting agenda items I have thus far: Membership Dues Membership Year Membership Categories Elections AHD 2007 Elections Election Committee Online Elections Bylaws Issues Proposed Changes and modifications E-Journal Issue #4 Issue #5 Survey Update Wiki Update Student Scholarship Program Old Business New Business If you have further items please send them to me privately and I will add them to the agenda. Ron Stewart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hadi at uiuc.edu Sat Mar 8 06:48:19 2008 From: hadi at uiuc.edu (Hadi Rangin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] CSUN Meeting agenda References: <000901c8809d$824aa550$86dfeff0$@org> Message-ID: <002d01c8812b$73a88560$6500a8c0@Eagle> CSUN Meeting agendaHi Ron, An item I would like to add to the agenda is collaborative work among ourselves as accessibility specialists. We have many highly knowledgeable and energetic members and I believe we can bring these individuals together to work collaboratively on very interesting projects. I know everyone is very busy and has already to much on his/her plate but I strongly believe with some coordination and collaboration efforts we can produce very useful and interesting results. Some of the projects that I am considering to suggest are: 1. Identify minimum accessibility requirements for Learning Management Systems 2. Identify minimum accessibility requirements for WebMail Systems 3. Identify minimum accessibility requirements for online library services 4. Producing technical documentations how to address specific accessibility and accommodation issues 5. Defining general accessibility testing and evaluations that can be integrated by Quality Assurance departments of potential application development companies. Projects 1-3 can help everyone in particular those with administrative purchasing power to ask very specific accessibility questions when vendors come to their campuses for demonstration of their products. The more vendors are asked about the same or similar accessibility questions, the more they will consider the required accessibility features in their products. The project 4 can be extremely useful for those colleagues with less accessibility experience and knowledge. This would prevent potential mistakes and can make them more productive and effective at their jobs. The project 5 can homogenize and unifies our subjective definitions of accessibility and can help and educate any vendors how to test for accessibility of their products. Thanks, Hadi ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Stewart To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 3:52 PM Subject: [Athen] CSUN Meeting agenda Good afternoon and I am looking forward to seeing you that can attend the conference next week. For those of you who may not have gotten the announcement the meeting will be: Thur March 13th 6:30-8:00 Conferences room #1 Courtyard Marriott Hotel (Just down Century Blvd back towards the airport a short walk, shuttle service is available from the Embassy Suites to the Courtyard Marriott. Any location or shuttle related complaints should be lodged with the CSUN conference management) Here are the meeting agenda items I have thus far: Membership Dues Membership Year Membership Categories Elections AHD 2007 Elections Election Committee Online Elections Bylaws Issues Proposed Changes and modifications E-Journal Issue #4 Issue #5 Survey Update Wiki Update Student Scholarship Program Old Business New Business If you have further items please send them to me privately and I will add them to the agenda. Ron Stewart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not sure if I'll be able to send an attachment via the listserv, so I'm pasting the invitation flyer below. You can pick up a Word version of the proposal from the AHG web site: www.colorado.edu/ATconference . I plan to have an interactive PDF version up shortly. For those of you attending CSUN, see you next week. -Howard Request for Proposals Accessing Higher Ground Accessible Media, Web & Technology Conference November 11-14, 2008 Millennium Hotel - Boulder, Colorado The University of Colorado at Boulder invites speaker proposals for its 11th annual Accessing Higher Ground Conference. The conference, which takes place adjacent to the Boulder campus, focuses on the implementation and benefits of Assistive Technology and Accessible Media in the university and college setting. Other topic areas cover legal and policy issues, including ADA and 508 compliance. The creation of accessible media and information resources, including Web pages and library resources are a particular focus of the conference. For the main conference, accepted out-of-town speakers will receive a 15% discount off conference registration fees. Local speakers will receive a 5% discount. Additional incentives are provided for accepted pre-conference proposals. For more information, use the contact information below. To see a list of past workshops or obtain a presenter application form, visit our conference page at the URL below. Please mail, fax or e-mail the completed application to Disability Services at CU-Boulder by March 30 if you are interested in presenting. You can also request a conference registration packet (mailed in August) at the URL below. Contact Information Disability Services: 303-492-8671 e-mail: hkramer@colorado.edu Conference URL: www.colorado.edu/ATconference Contact Information Disability Services: 303-492-8671 e-mail: hkramer@colorado.edu Confe Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Sun Mar 9 17:34:07 2008 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for poorly designed Flash site Message-ID: <003501c88246$74aa7970$ca1b0bc6@ad.colorado.edu> Hello All: I'm looking for a poorly designed Flash site - i.e. one that is not accessible to use in my presentation at CSUN. Disney is one I'm aware of. I'm wondering if there are any others. Thanks in advance, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kelly at kellford.com Sun Mar 9 18:18:19 2008 From: kelly at kellford.com (Kelly Ford) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for poorly designed Flash site In-Reply-To: <003501c88246$74aa7970$ca1b0bc6@ad.colorado.edu> References: <003501c88246$74aa7970$ca1b0bc6@ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <004a01c8824c$a0a1e8f0$e1e5bad0$@com> A web search for most web sites done in Flash will easily turn up hundreds of examples. I just did a search for Flash web site and the first hit that came up was: http://www.flashanimationwebsitedesign.com/ My intent isn't to single this site out but browsing to it, you can find many examples of Flash accessibility problems. How about http://www.pepsi.com. Seems to use some Flash deal on the main page. From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 5:34 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Looking for poorly designed Flash site Hello All: I'm looking for a poorly designed Flash site - i.e. one that is not accessible to use in my presentation at CSUN. Disney is one I'm aware of. I'm wondering if there are any others. Thanks in advance, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pratikp1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 18:22:42 2008 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for poorly designed Flash site In-Reply-To: <004a01c8824c$a0a1e8f0$e1e5bad0$@com> References: <003501c88246$74aa7970$ca1b0bc6@ad.colorado.edu> <004a01c8824c$a0a1e8f0$e1e5bad0$@com> Message-ID: <008101c8824d$3e005140$ba00f3c0$@com> YouTube. Great deal of flash, no real labels. It's really bad when I manage to mute the videos and can't seem to get out of the jam unless by experimenting. Perfect example of a really popular site with hardly any access considerations when it comes to the flash. From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kelly Ford Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:18 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Looking for poorly designed Flash site A web search for most web sites done in Flash will easily turn up hundreds of examples. I just did a search for Flash web site and the first hit that came up was: http://www.flashanimationwebsitedesign.com/ My intent isn't to single this site out but browsing to it, you can find many examples of Flash accessibility problems. How about http://www.pepsi.com. Seems to use some Flash deal on the main page. From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 5:34 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Looking for poorly designed Flash site Hello All: I'm looking for a poorly designed Flash site - i.e. one that is not accessible to use in my presentation at CSUN. Disney is one I'm aware of. I'm wondering if there are any others. Thanks in advance, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From travis at travisroth.com Sun Mar 9 19:15:59 2008 From: travis at travisroth.com (Travis Roth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for poorly designed Flash site In-Reply-To: <003501c88246$74aa7970$ca1b0bc6@ad.colorado.edu> References: <003501c88246$74aa7970$ca1b0bc6@ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <004601c88254$ae609c90$0b21d5b0$@com> Pandora.com Yet another. From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:34 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Looking for poorly designed Flash site Hello All: I'm looking for a poorly designed Flash site - i.e. one that is not accessible to use in my presentation at CSUN. Disney is one I'm aware of. I'm wondering if there are any others. Thanks in advance, Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Sun Mar 9 20:18:48 2008 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for poorly designed Flash site Message-ID: <20080309211848.ACA99161@superman.int.colorado.edu> Thank you all for that input. Here's an inaccessible Flash site with bad music if you're into that: http://www.tijuanaflats.com/ -Howard ---- Original message ---- >Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:15:59 -0500 >From: "Travis Roth" >Subject: Re: [Athen] Looking for poorly designed Flash site >To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > Pandora.com > > Yet another. > > > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of > Howard Kramer > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:34 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education > Network' > Subject: [Athen] Looking for poorly designed Flash > site > > > > Hello All: > > > > I'm looking for a poorly designed Flash site - i.e. > one that is not accessible to use in my presentation > at CSUN. Disney is one I'm aware of. I'm wondering > if there are any others. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Howard > > > > Howard Kramer > Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator > AT Conference Coordinator > Disability Services > CU-Boulder, 107 UCB > Boulder, Co 80309 > 303-492-8672 > > >________________ >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From charlie.jordan at asu.edu Tue Mar 11 14:36:51 2008 From: charlie.jordan at asu.edu (Charlie Jordan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Caption standards Message-ID: <3920DC962E323A46B40D415ADC1CD6C225D6C56DFE@EX10.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Athenians (and Romans, I suppose) Sorry for the inundation about captioning issues; it may be obvious that I've jumped into a project. What standards do you rely upon for deciding the format of captioning? That is, for example, when to use ellipses, when to use brackets, etc., etc. I've found "2007 Captioning Key Guidelines and Preferred Technique" issued by the Described and Captioned Media Program. Is this an accepted "best practices" guide? Is there a best practices guide more widely used? Thanks. Charlie Jordan ASU's West campus 602-543-8181 charlie.jordan@asu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Tue Mar 11 14:53:02 2008 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Caption standards In-Reply-To: <3920DC962E323A46B40D415ADC1CD6C225D6C56DFE@EX10.asurite.ad.asu.edu> References: <3920DC962E323A46B40D415ADC1CD6C225D6C56DFE@EX10.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <00db01c883c2$47e652b0$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> We follow the CMP guide. I like it because the deaf and HOH population was consulted as to their preferences, and that carries a lot of weight with me. There is no "official" standard or governing body, as there is with Braille, but most folks I have spoken with follow the CMP Key. The only other guidelines that I know of are from NCAM/WGBH, but those are more Web-specific. Hope that helps! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Jordan Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:37 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Caption standards Athenians (and Romans, I suppose) Sorry for the inundation about captioning issues; it may be obvious that I've jumped into a project. What standards do you rely upon for deciding the format of captioning? That is, for example, when to use ellipses, when to use brackets, etc., etc. I've found "2007 Captioning Key Guidelines and Preferred Technique" issued by the Described and Captioned Media Program. Is this an accepted "best practices" guide? Is there a best practices guide more widely used? Thanks. Charlie Jordan ASU's West campus 602-543-8181 charlie.jordan@asu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfoliot at stanford.edu Tue Mar 11 15:12:28 2008 From: jfoliot at stanford.edu (John Foliot - Stanford Online Accessibility Program) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Caption standards In-Reply-To: <00db01c883c2$47e652b0$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <00b101c883c4$fedfaf00$9d2e42ab@stanford.edu> Gaeir Dietrich wrote: > There is no "official" standard or governing > body, as there is with Braille, but most folks I have spoken with > follow the CMP Key. The ever-poetic Joe Clark had this to say about the CMP guide of 2006: http://joeclark.org/access/captioning/CMP/ Note - if you are not familiar with Mr. Clark, his writing style can be, uhm... abrasive at times. None-the-less he does raise some germane issues and it would be both worthwhile and "complete" if you at least read what he has to say; Joe is, by most accounts, one of the most knowledgeable captioning experts in North America, even if he does spend half his day putting people's noses out of joint. For what it's worth. JF From saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu Mon Mar 17 05:53:48 2008 From: saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu (Saroj Primlani) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Speechless conversation Message-ID: <000c01c8882d$f1e8c990$3fc00798@sarojnewlaptop> Check this out. A new device has been developed that translates thoughts into speech. (http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/editors/22037/?nlid=942). Saroj ____________________________________ Saroj Primlani Coordinator of University IT Accessibility Office of Information Technology NC State University Campus Box 7109, Raleigh, NC 27695 919 513 4087 saroj_primlani@ncsu.edu http://ncsu.edu/it/access -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fgsmith at vcu.edu Mon Mar 17 13:01:09 2008 From: fgsmith at vcu.edu (Frances G Smith/AC/VCU) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Frances G Smith/AC/VCU is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 03/16/2008 and will not return until 03/19/2008. From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Tue Mar 18 00:17:38 2008 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Arizona Technology Conference Message-ID: <479AE6BF00006B4F@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Hi all in DSSHE-Land and ATHEN, Have just returned from CSUN --after a great weekend in San Diego, from the zoo to the beach to the snow in one day-- am back to thundering speed in Mesa AZ. Wanted to remind all who are interested and/or who may want to attend, here is a link for the Arizona Technology Access Project summer conference June 2-3, 2008 in Phoenix (actually, Litchfield Park). AzTAP website for the conference: http://guest.cvent.com/EVENTS/Info/Invitation.aspx?e=518ddaa4-40c7-4f2f-b9f3-fc1a3fa4d3d1 Hope you can come! Blessings, Wink Ms Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 From jjohnson at htctu.net Tue Mar 18 10:50:54 2008 From: jjohnson at htctu.net (Jayme Johnson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Speechless conversation In-Reply-To: <000c01c8882d$f1e8c990$3fc00798@sarojnewlaptop> References: <000c01c8882d$f1e8c990$3fc00798@sarojnewlaptop> Message-ID: <007a01c88920$9d5bb150$9b821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Very cool- here's some more information: http://technology.newscientist.com/channel/tech/dn13449-nervetapping-neckban d-allows-telepathic-chat.html Jayme _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Saroj Primlani Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:54 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Speechless conversation Check this out. A new device has been developed that translates thoughts into speech. (http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/editors/22037/?nlid=942). Saroj ____________________________________ Saroj Primlani Coordinator of University IT Accessibility Office of Information Technology NC State University Campus Box 7109, Raleigh, NC 27695 919 513 4087 saroj_primlani@ncsu.edu http://ncsu.edu/it/access -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charlie.jordan at asu.edu Tue Mar 18 15:41:36 2008 From: charlie.jordan at asu.edu (Charlie Jordan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Magpie and Vista? Message-ID: <3920DC962E323A46B40D415ADC1CD6C225D6C56FE9@EX10.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Dear ATHEN, One Magpie reference indicates that Magpie is: "MAGpie 2.0.2 is a Java2 application which runs on Windows 9x/NT/2000/XP and on Mac OSX." Is it usable on Vista? I'm able to load the software, load captions, and load a media file, but playback is wonky. I've uninstalled, reinstalled, and lit incense....no playback. I do see that the Quicktime player is loading - in the "debug" version window I can see the GRINS fails but QT doesn't. That's expected because I didn't load the GRINS thing. Whenever I attempt to begin playback, Magpie just stops responding...and Windows reports an Application error 1002 The program java.exe version 6.0.50.13 stopped interacting with Windows and was closed. To see if more information about the problem is available, check the problem history in the Problem Reports and Solutions control panel. Process ID: 1304 Start Time: 01c88882ad3298ec Termination Time: 13 So back to square one...does anyone know if Magpie is usable on a Vista system? Thanks! Charlie Jordan From easi.easi at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 13:17:00 2008 From: easi.easi at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20080319131445.0209d870@pop.gmail.com> I am trying to find a way that a faculty member not knowing a html authoring tool can save a spreadsheet in an html format a screen reader can use. Just saving as html JAWS seems to treat it as if it were just one long column. I tried to paste it into Dreamweaver to see if it would do something down and dirty. I got the html but no better than saving to html from excel Any ideas?? Norm EASI Webinars http://easi.cc/clinic.htm "What You See Is What You Get" Web Design a 4-part Webinar Series April 8 EASI April Online Month-long, Courses starting April 7: Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming Train the Trainer http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs, Ph.D. CEO EASI http://easi.cc Laguna Hills CA 92653 From skeegan at htctu.net Wed Mar 19 13:21:03 2008 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Just spent three lonely days in the brown LA haze... Message-ID: <001c01c889fe$c176dc70$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Well, okay, perhaps it was not exactly *lonely* at CSUN but I wasn't sure how else to get a Jimmy Buffett line into this thread. Yes, this past week was the CSU Northridge Conference and it was busy. This year the conference was at the Marriott and Renaissance hotels and, to me, it seemed a bit smaller than in the past. Presentations were good with a few highlights. I made myself suffer through several that seemed more intent on the marketing angle as opposed to demonstrating new or innovative technologies for individuals with disabilities. Note to presenters - you can only use phrases like "empower users" or "paradigm change" so many times before we stop listening. Please - have mercy on us listening. A few presentations and technologies that were noteworthy: Dojo - An accessible Javascript toolkit This was a great presentation that focused on how to improve the accessibility of new Web technologies relying on javascript (I am not going to say "Web 2.0 technologies" no matter how much brainwashing is involved). Dojo is an open-source toolkit written in Javascript that allows developers to create rich Internet applications that emulate a desktop application, but reside in a Web browser. One example would be something like the Yahoo! Mail interface that is very similar to MS Outlook (i.e., tree menu systems, different viewing panes, etc.) but would provide support for assistive technologies. Dojo is supporting access by following many of the guidelines developed by the Web Accessibility Initiatives - Accessible Rich Internet Applications (WAI-ARIA) working group (http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/aria). Right now, support is limited to Firefox and the recent version of Window-Eyes, but more support will be coming in Firefox 3, Internet Explorer 8, Opera, and other screen-readers. More on Dojo and accessibility is available at http://tinyurl.com/yvbcm4 . Refreshing the Section 255 and 508 Accessibility Regulations This session reviewed where the TEITAC group (Telecommunications, Electronic and Information Technology Advisory Committee) was in the refresh of the Section 508 Standards and Section 255 Regulations. The short version of the session was the TEITAC group would be passing along their recommendations to the Access Board on April 3. You can see the current working draft of the recommendations at http://teitac.org/wiki/EWG:Draft_Jan_7 . Basically, the TEITAC group has worked to "harmonize" the various accessibility criteria with the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0 draft (WCAG 2.0). Net-Centric's PDF Accessibility Wizard (PAW) and CommonLook Plug-in to Adobe Acrobat Net-Centric is a Canadian company that has two tools to address PDF accessibility. The PAW tool (http://www.net-centric.com/products/paw.aspx) integrates into MS Word and provides a wizard interface that checks the MS Word document for accessibility issues. Some of the features were not quite working yet, but for the most part it looks like a useful tool. One thing that was very useful was that you could create tagged-PDF documents without having to install Adobe Acrobat. Tagged PDF files are a necessary step to ensuring accessible PDF versions. It was also easy to markup data tables for accessibility in MS Word, which has limitations as to what header types are supported. I will be taking a look at the beta in the next few weeks to see what actually is being implemented in the application. The other tool, the CommonLook Plug-In to Adobe Acrobat (http://www.net-centric.com/products/cl_s508_adobe.aspx) does make it easier to remediate PDF documents for accessibility in some circumstances. If you are dealing with documents that have not had accessibility addressed during the authoring stage (e.g., in MS Word) or are dealing with documents that have a lot of complex data tables and a rich visual layout, then this tool will make it easier to include accessibility into the PDF. The Net-Centric representatives did mention that they have made some changes to the application since I last used it, so I am going to take another look at the application in the coming weeks. For simple PDF documents, based on what I saw at CSUN, I think this tool is overkill and believe that improving PDF accessibility can be met by altering the document creation workflow - in other words, build accessibility into the authoring process. There is not much one has to do and it is far easier to address accessibility issues early in document creation than to try and fix a PDF later on in the process. For complex PDF documents, PDF documents with a rich visual layout, PDF documents that were created by tools that do not support accessibility (e.g., Quark), I think this tool could be useful and provide a benefit. Net-Centric has a number of Webinars that are conducted on a semi-regular weekly basis. You can visit their Webinar site at http://www.net-centric.com/customers/webinar_reg.aspx to see when the next session is being conducted. Math Accessibility at the Post-Secondary Level This was a presentation by Steve Noble from Design Science and focused on some of the progress that Design Science (http://www.dessci.com) has made with respect to improving math accessibility. Most of the discussion was on the support for MathML in a HTML/XHTML environment as well as some examples of MathML "in the wild" (e.g., ATPC's activities with MathML production, Rice University's Connexions - www.cnx.org - and others). A beta version of the new MathPlayer plug-in was also demonstrated, showing how a user can customize the speech for different math equations. Also in development is the ability to use MathType and MS Word to create equations and then convert to Nemeth through Duxbury - no intermediate steps necessary. More information should be coming "soon". Web 2.0 and Future Accessibility Development in the Opera Browser I have always thought of Opera as this cool Web browser that always did more than the others (e.g., first with tabbed browsing, voice control, aural CSS support, etc). I even bought a Nintendo DS Lite with the Opera browser so I could check e-mail when I was traveling in Europe (ahem,...and maybe to play a few games). That being said, there have been serious accessibility issues with respect to screen-reader support. The good news is that the new Opera 9.5 Beta has improved support for screen-reader support and has been working with GW Micro (Window-Eyes) and Dolphin (Supernova) to improve access. If you are feeling a bit gutsy and are willing to get your hands dirty with the Beta version, visit http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/next/ . Otherwise, stay tuned for more information about when the new version of Opera is released as I think it will provide some useful features. Those were some of the more memorable sessions at CSUN 2008. It will be nice to see what actually materializes in the coming weeks and months regarding all this new technology (e.g., where are all those flying cars?), but I am optimistic that there will be some new tools that will provide options. Take care, Sean Sean Keegan Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges Sean Keegan Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges From john.gardner at orst.edu Wed Mar 19 15:25:26 2008 From: john.gardner at orst.edu (John Gardner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20080319131445.0209d870@pop.gmail.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20080319131445.0209d870@pop.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008f01c88a10$21ccf850$0100a8c0@johnz> Hi Norm, I guess I don't understand what the problem is. Excel gives you two choices - a single file web page and a standard htm/html page. I tried both, and both saved as perfectly respectable web tables. Maybe the problem is Jaws? These web pages read just fine with Window-Eyes. I have Jaws but don't know how to navigate web tables with Jaws. If somebody will tell me how, I'll try it. John John -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:17 PM To: athen-athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html I am trying to find a way that a faculty member not knowing a html authoring tool can save a spreadsheet in an html format a screen reader can use. Just saving as html JAWS seems to treat it as if it were just one long column. I tried to paste it into Dreamweaver to see if it would do something down and dirty. I got the html but no better than saving to html from excel Any ideas?? Norm EASI Webinars http://easi.cc/clinic.htm "What You See Is What You Get" Web Design a 4-part Webinar Series April 8 EASI April Online Month-long, Courses starting April 7: Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming Train the Trainer http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs, Ph.D. CEO EASI http://easi.cc Laguna Hills CA 92653 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From gdietrich at htctu.net Wed Mar 19 15:43:08 2008 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20080319131445.0209d870@pop.gmail.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20080319131445.0209d870@pop.gmail.com> Message-ID: <016b01c88a12$9b08d1b0$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> If it's a simple spreadsheet, you can copy it and paste it into a Word table. Not sure how well that would work with JAWS for this user, but you can also go from Word to HTML or even out to Braille with Duxbury. Good luck! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:17 PM To: athen-athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html I am trying to find a way that a faculty member not knowing a html authoring tool can save a spreadsheet in an html format a screen reader can use. Just saving as html JAWS seems to treat it as if it were just one long column. I tried to paste it into Dreamweaver to see if it would do something down and dirty. I got the html but no better than saving to html from excel Any ideas?? Norm EASI Webinars http://easi.cc/clinic.htm "What You See Is What You Get" Web Design a 4-part Webinar Series April 8 EASI April Online Month-long, Courses starting April 7: Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming Train the Trainer http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs, Ph.D. CEO EASI http://easi.cc Laguna Hills CA 92653 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From burke at ucla.edu Wed Mar 19 15:46:50 2008 From: burke at ucla.edu (Patrick Burke) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html In-Reply-To: <008f01c88a10$21ccf850$0100a8c0@johnz> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20080319131445.0209d870@pop.gmail.com> <008f01c88a10$21ccf850$0100a8c0@johnz> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080319153957.024e0518@ucla.edu> Hi John, Norm & all, Jaws table commands in IE are: Control-Alt-Arrow keys to move around the table (Control-Alt-Numpad 5 to read current cell). I have gotten Excel files to export successfully in the past, using the .mht filetype. (Lots of extra frames & things around, but the table itself came through in readable form.) Hope this helps, Patrick At 03:25 PM 3/19/2008, John Gardner wrote: >Hi Norm, I guess I don't understand what the problem is. Excel gives you two >choices - a single file web page and a standard htm/html page. I tried >both, and both saved as perfectly respectable web tables. Maybe the problem >is Jaws? These web pages read just fine with Window-Eyes. I have Jaws but >don't know how to navigate web tables with Jaws. If somebody will tell me >how, I'll try it. > >John > > >John > > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs >Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:17 PM >To: athen-athenpro.org >Subject: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html > >I am trying to find a way that a faculty member not knowing a html authoring >tool can save a spreadsheet in an html format a screen reader can use. Just >saving as html JAWS seems to treat it as if it were just one long column. > >I tried to paste it into Dreamweaver to see if it would do something down >and dirty. I got the html but no better than saving to html from excel > > >Any ideas?? >Norm > > >EASI Webinars http://easi.cc/clinic.htm >"What You See Is What You Get" Web Design a 4-part Webinar Series April 8 > >EASI April Online Month-long, Courses starting April 7: >Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming >Train the Trainer >http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > >Norman Coombs, Ph.D. >CEO EASI http://easi.cc >Laguna Hills CA 92653 > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke ucla. edu From john.gardner at orst.edu Wed Mar 19 21:33:01 2008 From: john.gardner at orst.edu (John Gardner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20080319153957.024e0518@ucla.edu> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20080319131445.0209d870@pop.gmail.com><008f01c88a10$21ccf850$0100a8c0@johnz> <7.0.1.0.2.20080319153957.024e0518@ucla.edu> Message-ID: <000b01c88a43$7be73110$0100a8c0@johnz> Hi. Well I still don't see any problem. I exported from Excel to HTML and could read it fine with either screen reader in IE. John -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Burke Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:47 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html Hi John, Norm & all, Jaws table commands in IE are: Control-Alt-Arrow keys to move around the table (Control-Alt-Numpad 5 to read current cell). I have gotten Excel files to export successfully in the past, using the .mht filetype. (Lots of extra frames & things around, but the table itself came through in readable form.) Hope this helps, Patrick At 03:25 PM 3/19/2008, John Gardner wrote: >Hi Norm, I guess I don't understand what the problem is. Excel gives >you two choices - a single file web page and a standard htm/html page. >I tried both, and both saved as perfectly respectable web tables. >Maybe the problem is Jaws? These web pages read just fine with >Window-Eyes. I have Jaws but don't know how to navigate web tables >with Jaws. If somebody will tell me how, I'll try it. > >John > > >John > > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs >Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:17 PM >To: athen-athenpro.org >Subject: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html > >I am trying to find a way that a faculty member not knowing a html >authoring tool can save a spreadsheet in an html format a screen reader >can use. Just saving as html JAWS seems to treat it as if it were just one long column. > >I tried to paste it into Dreamweaver to see if it would do something >down and dirty. I got the html but no better than saving to html from >excel > > >Any ideas?? >Norm > > >EASI Webinars http://easi.cc/clinic.htm "What You See Is What You Get" >Web Design a 4-part Webinar Series April 8 > >EASI April Online Month-long, Courses starting April 7: >Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming Train >the Trainer http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > >Norman Coombs, Ph.D. >CEO EASI http://easi.cc >Laguna Hills CA 92653 > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke ucla. edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Wed Mar 19 22:56:05 2008 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Just spent three lonely days in the brown LA haze... In-Reply-To: <001c01c889fe$c176dc70$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <479AE6BF000070E4@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> That was a positively brilliant, inspirational & thoughtful reflection, Sean! I applaud you. We all should go to workshops & conferences with this in mind: to reflect on what was good, innovative, inspirational, and problem-solving about our experiences in the workshops as well as on what could be changed or added to improve. Even your few criticisms were really said as good suggestions --not as criticism. We also should share with each other these reflections just as you did. This is the follow up to learning--like clinching the deal! I have a question for you, if you don't mind. I had an opportunity last fall to present some research to our VPs & IT dept. about I-TUNES U. Our IT dept. is so enamored of it and is promoting its use college-wide without any consideration about its inherent inaccessibility. My suggestions, recommendations and research on OCR complaints were all completely discounted. Poo-poo'ed, in fact. I, however discouraged I was last fall, am NOT GIVING UP!! A positively brilliant opportunity has presented itself --a real "teaching moment." Our Center for Teaching & Learning is offering an all-day technology in the classroom workshop mid-May, and one of the topics is I-TUNES U. How convenient!! I would like to do an hour-long workshop presentation and show how inaccessible this is out of the box and what it takes to MAKE it accessible. Have you or do you know anyone who might have done a presentation on I-TUNES demonstrating how it works (or not) and who might be willing to share some of the presentation materials with me? It would be such a help to me to have a bit of supporting materials to start. One of my thoughts is to video a couple of students trying to access captioning and screen readers, do something with showing the steps necessary to imbed captions for the Deaf & HoH + tags/descriptions for the VI. I am not being lazy --really! I was hoping not to have to completely reinvent the wheel. Anything you might be able to suggest or anyone to whom you might direct my request would be very much appreciated. It was really nice to see you again at CSUN. I have very much appreciated your knowledge & expertise through your posts on ATHEN & look forward to more from you in the future. You are a good teacher. Thanks in advance, Wink >-- Original Message -- >From: "Sean Keegan" >To: "'Alternate Media'" , > "'Designing Accessible Web Pages'" , > > "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:21:03 -0700 >Subject: [Athen] Just spent three lonely days in the brown LA haze... >Reply-To: skeegan@htctu.net, Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > > >Well, okay, perhaps it was not exactly *lonely* at CSUN but I wasn't sure >how else to get a Jimmy Buffett line into this thread. > >Yes, this past week was the CSU Northridge Conference and it was busy. This >year the conference was at the Marriott and Renaissance hotels and, to me, >it seemed a bit smaller than in the past. Presentations were good with a >few highlights. I made myself suffer through several that seemed more >intent on the marketing angle as opposed to demonstrating new or innovative >technologies for individuals with disabilities. > >Note to presenters - you can only use phrases like "empower users" or >"paradigm change" so many times before we stop listening. Please - have >mercy on us listening. > >A few presentations and technologies that were noteworthy: > >Dojo - An accessible Javascript toolkit >This was a great presentation that focused on how to improve the >accessibility of new Web technologies relying on javascript (I am not going >to say "Web 2.0 technologies" no matter how much brainwashing is involved). >Dojo is an open-source toolkit written in Javascript that allows developers >to create rich Internet applications that emulate a desktop application, >but >reside in a Web browser. One example would be something like the Yahoo! >Mail interface that is very similar to MS Outlook (i.e., tree menu systems, >different viewing panes, etc.) but would provide support for assistive >technologies. Dojo is supporting access by following many of the guidelines >developed by the Web Accessibility Initiatives - Accessible Rich Internet >Applications (WAI-ARIA) working group (http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/aria). >Right now, support is limited to Firefox and the recent version of >Window-Eyes, but more support will be coming in Firefox 3, Internet Explorer >8, Opera, and other screen-readers. More on Dojo and accessibility is >available at http://tinyurl.com/yvbcm4 . > > >Refreshing the Section 255 and 508 Accessibility Regulations >This session reviewed where the TEITAC group (Telecommunications, Electronic >and Information Technology Advisory Committee) was in the refresh of the >Section 508 Standards and Section 255 Regulations. The short version of >the >session was the TEITAC group would be passing along their recommendations >to >the Access Board on April 3. You can see the current working draft of the >recommendations at http://teitac.org/wiki/EWG:Draft_Jan_7 . Basically, the >TEITAC group has worked to "harmonize" the various accessibility criteria >with the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0 draft (WCAG 2.0). > > >Net-Centric's PDF Accessibility Wizard (PAW) and CommonLook Plug-in to Adobe >Acrobat >Net-Centric is a Canadian company that has two tools to address PDF >accessibility. The PAW tool (http://www.net-centric.com/products/paw.aspx) >integrates into MS Word and provides a wizard interface that checks the MS >Word document for accessibility issues. Some of the features were not quite >working yet, but for the most part it looks like a useful tool. One thing >that was very useful was that you could create tagged-PDF documents without >having to install Adobe Acrobat. Tagged PDF files are a necessary step to >ensuring accessible PDF versions. It was also easy to markup data tables >for accessibility in MS Word, which has limitations as to what header types >are supported. I will be taking a look at the beta in the next few weeks >to >see what actually is being implemented in the application. > >The other tool, the CommonLook Plug-In to Adobe Acrobat >(http://www.net-centric.com/products/cl_s508_adobe.aspx) does make it easier >to remediate PDF documents for accessibility in some circumstances. If you >are dealing with documents that have not had accessibility addressed during >the authoring stage (e.g., in MS Word) or are dealing with documents that >have a lot of complex data tables and a rich visual layout, then this tool >will make it easier to include accessibility into the PDF. The Net-Centric >representatives did mention that they have made some changes to the >application since I last used it, so I am going to take another look at the >application in the coming weeks. For simple PDF documents, based on what >I >saw at CSUN, I think this tool is overkill and believe that improving PDF >accessibility can be met by altering the document creation workflow - in >other words, build accessibility into the authoring process. There is not >much one has to do and it is far easier to address accessibility issues >early in document creation than to try and fix a PDF later on in the >process. For complex PDF documents, PDF documents with a rich visual >layout, PDF documents that were created by tools that do not support >accessibility (e.g., Quark), I think this tool could be useful and provide >a >benefit. > >Net-Centric has a number of Webinars that are conducted on a semi-regular >weekly basis. You can visit their Webinar site at >http://www.net-centric.com/customers/webinar_reg.aspx to see when the next >session is being conducted. > > >Math Accessibility at the Post-Secondary Level >This was a presentation by Steve Noble from Design Science and focused on >some of the progress that Design Science (http://www.dessci.com) has made >with respect to improving math accessibility. Most of the discussion was >on >the support for MathML in a HTML/XHTML environment as well as some examples >of MathML "in the wild" (e.g., ATPC's activities with MathML production, >Rice University's Connexions - www.cnx.org - and others). A beta version >of >the new MathPlayer plug-in was also demonstrated, showing how a user can >customize the speech for different math equations. Also in development is >the ability to use MathType and MS Word to create equations and then convert >to Nemeth through Duxbury - no intermediate steps necessary. More >information should be coming "soon". > > >Web 2.0 and Future Accessibility Development in the Opera Browser >I have always thought of Opera as this cool Web browser that always did more >than the others (e.g., first with tabbed browsing, voice control, aural CSS >support, etc). I even bought a Nintendo DS Lite with the Opera browser so >I >could check e-mail when I was traveling in Europe (ahem,...and maybe to play >a few games). That being said, there have been serious accessibility issues >with respect to screen-reader support. The good news is that the new Opera >9.5 Beta has improved support for screen-reader support and has been working >with GW Micro (Window-Eyes) and Dolphin (Supernova) to improve access. If >you are feeling a bit gutsy and are willing to get your hands dirty with >the >Beta version, visit http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/next/ . >Otherwise, stay tuned for more information about when the new version of >Opera is released as I think it will provide some useful features. > > >Those were some of the more memorable sessions at CSUN 2008. It will be >nice to see what actually materializes in the coming weeks and months >regarding all this new technology (e.g., where are all those flying cars?), >but I am optimistic that there will be some new tools that will provide >options. > >Take care, >Sean > >Sean Keegan >Web Accessibility Instructor >High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sean Keegan >Web Accessibility Instructor >High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 From saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu Thu Mar 20 05:54:17 2008 From: saroj_primlani at ncsu.edu (Saroj Primlani) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 26, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001d01c88a89$82916b20$3fc00798@sarojnewlaptop> Great summary Sean Saroj _________________________________ Saroj Primlani Coordinator of University IT Accessibility Office of Information Technology 919 513 4087 http://ncsu.edu/it/access -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of athen-request@athenpro.org Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:56 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 26, Issue 26 Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." Today's Topics: 1. question re Excel and accessible html (Prof Norm Coombs) 2. Just spent three lonely days in the brown LA haze... (Sean Keegan) 3. Re: question re Excel and accessible html (John Gardner) 4. Re: question re Excel and accessible html (Gaeir Dietrich) 5. Re: question re Excel and accessible html (Patrick Burke) 6. Re: question re Excel and accessible html (John Gardner) 7. Re: Just spent three lonely days in the brown LA haze... (Wink Harner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:17:00 -0700 From: Prof Norm Coombs Subject: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html To: "athen-athenpro.org" Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20080319131445.0209d870@pop.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I am trying to find a way that a faculty member not knowing a html authoring tool can save a spreadsheet in an html format a screen reader can use. Just saving as html JAWS seems to treat it as if it were just one long column. I tried to paste it into Dreamweaver to see if it would do something down and dirty. I got the html but no better than saving to html from excel Any ideas?? Norm EASI Webinars http://easi.cc/clinic.htm "What You See Is What You Get" Web Design a 4-part Webinar Series April 8 EASI April Online Month-long, Courses starting April 7: Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming Train the Trainer http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs, Ph.D. CEO EASI http://easi.cc Laguna Hills CA 92653 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:21:03 -0700 From: "Sean Keegan" Subject: [Athen] Just spent three lonely days in the brown LA haze... To: "'Alternate Media'" , "'Designing Accessible Web Pages'" , "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <001c01c889fe$c176dc70$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, okay, perhaps it was not exactly *lonely* at CSUN but I wasn't sure how else to get a Jimmy Buffett line into this thread. Yes, this past week was the CSU Northridge Conference and it was busy. This year the conference was at the Marriott and Renaissance hotels and, to me, it seemed a bit smaller than in the past. Presentations were good with a few highlights. I made myself suffer through several that seemed more intent on the marketing angle as opposed to demonstrating new or innovative technologies for individuals with disabilities. Note to presenters - you can only use phrases like "empower users" or "paradigm change" so many times before we stop listening. Please - have mercy on us listening. A few presentations and technologies that were noteworthy: Dojo - An accessible Javascript toolkit This was a great presentation that focused on how to improve the accessibility of new Web technologies relying on javascript (I am not going to say "Web 2.0 technologies" no matter how much brainwashing is involved). Dojo is an open-source toolkit written in Javascript that allows developers to create rich Internet applications that emulate a desktop application, but reside in a Web browser. One example would be something like the Yahoo! Mail interface that is very similar to MS Outlook (i.e., tree menu systems, different viewing panes, etc.) but would provide support for assistive technologies. Dojo is supporting access by following many of the guidelines developed by the Web Accessibility Initiatives - Accessible Rich Internet Applications (WAI-ARIA) working group (http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/aria). Right now, support is limited to Firefox and the recent version of Window-Eyes, but more support will be coming in Firefox 3, Internet Explorer 8, Opera, and other screen-readers. More on Dojo and accessibility is available at http://tinyurl.com/yvbcm4 . Refreshing the Section 255 and 508 Accessibility Regulations This session reviewed where the TEITAC group (Telecommunications, Electronic and Information Technology Advisory Committee) was in the refresh of the Section 508 Standards and Section 255 Regulations. The short version of the session was the TEITAC group would be passing along their recommendations to the Access Board on April 3. You can see the current working draft of the recommendations at http://teitac.org/wiki/EWG:Draft_Jan_7 . Basically, the TEITAC group has worked to "harmonize" the various accessibility criteria with the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0 draft (WCAG 2.0). Net-Centric's PDF Accessibility Wizard (PAW) and CommonLook Plug-in to Adobe Acrobat Net-Centric is a Canadian company that has two tools to address PDF accessibility. The PAW tool (http://www.net-centric.com/products/paw.aspx) integrates into MS Word and provides a wizard interface that checks the MS Word document for accessibility issues. Some of the features were not quite working yet, but for the most part it looks like a useful tool. One thing that was very useful was that you could create tagged-PDF documents without having to install Adobe Acrobat. Tagged PDF files are a necessary step to ensuring accessible PDF versions. It was also easy to markup data tables for accessibility in MS Word, which has limitations as to what header types are supported. I will be taking a look at the beta in the next few weeks to see what actually is being implemented in the application. The other tool, the CommonLook Plug-In to Adobe Acrobat (http://www.net-centric.com/products/cl_s508_adobe.aspx) does make it easier to remediate PDF documents for accessibility in some circumstances. If you are dealing with documents that have not had accessibility addressed during the authoring stage (e.g., in MS Word) or are dealing with documents that have a lot of complex data tables and a rich visual layout, then this tool will make it easier to include accessibility into the PDF. The Net-Centric representatives did mention that they have made some changes to the application since I last used it, so I am going to take another look at the application in the coming weeks. For simple PDF documents, based on what I saw at CSUN, I think this tool is overkill and believe that improving PDF accessibility can be met by altering the document creation workflow - in other words, build accessibility into the authoring process. There is not much one has to do and it is far easier to address accessibility issues early in document creation than to try and fix a PDF later on in the process. For complex PDF documents, PDF documents with a rich visual layout, PDF documents that were created by tools that do not support accessibility (e.g., Quark), I think this tool could be useful and provide a benefit. Net-Centric has a number of Webinars that are conducted on a semi-regular weekly basis. You can visit their Webinar site at http://www.net-centric.com/customers/webinar_reg.aspx to see when the next session is being conducted. Math Accessibility at the Post-Secondary Level This was a presentation by Steve Noble from Design Science and focused on some of the progress that Design Science (http://www.dessci.com) has made with respect to improving math accessibility. Most of the discussion was on the support for MathML in a HTML/XHTML environment as well as some examples of MathML "in the wild" (e.g., ATPC's activities with MathML production, Rice University's Connexions - www.cnx.org - and others). A beta version of the new MathPlayer plug-in was also demonstrated, showing how a user can customize the speech for different math equations. Also in development is the ability to use MathType and MS Word to create equations and then convert to Nemeth through Duxbury - no intermediate steps necessary. More information should be coming "soon". Web 2.0 and Future Accessibility Development in the Opera Browser I have always thought of Opera as this cool Web browser that always did more than the others (e.g., first with tabbed browsing, voice control, aural CSS support, etc). I even bought a Nintendo DS Lite with the Opera browser so I could check e-mail when I was traveling in Europe (ahem,...and maybe to play a few games). That being said, there have been serious accessibility issues with respect to screen-reader support. The good news is that the new Opera 9.5 Beta has improved support for screen-reader support and has been working with GW Micro (Window-Eyes) and Dolphin (Supernova) to improve access. If you are feeling a bit gutsy and are willing to get your hands dirty with the Beta version, visit http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/next/ . Otherwise, stay tuned for more information about when the new version of Opera is released as I think it will provide some useful features. Those were some of the more memorable sessions at CSUN 2008. It will be nice to see what actually materializes in the coming weeks and months regarding all this new technology (e.g., where are all those flying cars?), but I am optimistic that there will be some new tools that will provide options. Take care, Sean Sean Keegan Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges Sean Keegan Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:25:26 -0700 From: "John Gardner" Subject: Re: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <008f01c88a10$21ccf850$0100a8c0@johnz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Norm, I guess I don't understand what the problem is. Excel gives you two choices - a single file web page and a standard htm/html page. I tried both, and both saved as perfectly respectable web tables. Maybe the problem is Jaws? These web pages read just fine with Window-Eyes. I have Jaws but don't know how to navigate web tables with Jaws. If somebody will tell me how, I'll try it. John John -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:17 PM To: athen-athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html I am trying to find a way that a faculty member not knowing a html authoring tool can save a spreadsheet in an html format a screen reader can use. Just saving as html JAWS seems to treat it as if it were just one long column. I tried to paste it into Dreamweaver to see if it would do something down and dirty. I got the html but no better than saving to html from excel Any ideas?? Norm EASI Webinars http://easi.cc/clinic.htm "What You See Is What You Get" Web Design a 4-part Webinar Series April 8 EASI April Online Month-long, Courses starting April 7: Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming Train the Trainer http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs, Ph.D. CEO EASI http://easi.cc Laguna Hills CA 92653 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:43:08 -0700 From: "Gaeir Dietrich" Subject: Re: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <016b01c88a12$9b08d1b0$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" If it's a simple spreadsheet, you can copy it and paste it into a Word table. Not sure how well that would work with JAWS for this user, but you can also go from Word to HTML or even out to Braille with Duxbury. Good luck! ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:17 PM To: athen-athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html I am trying to find a way that a faculty member not knowing a html authoring tool can save a spreadsheet in an html format a screen reader can use. Just saving as html JAWS seems to treat it as if it were just one long column. I tried to paste it into Dreamweaver to see if it would do something down and dirty. I got the html but no better than saving to html from excel Any ideas?? Norm EASI Webinars http://easi.cc/clinic.htm "What You See Is What You Get" Web Design a 4-part Webinar Series April 8 EASI April Online Month-long, Courses starting April 7: Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming Train the Trainer http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs, Ph.D. CEO EASI http://easi.cc Laguna Hills CA 92653 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:46:50 -0700 From: Patrick Burke Subject: Re: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html To: athen@athenpro.org Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20080319153957.024e0518@ucla.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi John, Norm & all, Jaws table commands in IE are: Control-Alt-Arrow keys to move around the table (Control-Alt-Numpad 5 to read current cell). I have gotten Excel files to export successfully in the past, using the .mht filetype. (Lots of extra frames & things around, but the table itself came through in readable form.) Hope this helps, Patrick At 03:25 PM 3/19/2008, John Gardner wrote: >Hi Norm, I guess I don't understand what the problem is. Excel gives you two >choices - a single file web page and a standard htm/html page. I tried >both, and both saved as perfectly respectable web tables. Maybe the problem >is Jaws? These web pages read just fine with Window-Eyes. I have Jaws but >don't know how to navigate web tables with Jaws. If somebody will tell me >how, I'll try it. > >John > > >John > > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs >Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:17 PM >To: athen-athenpro.org >Subject: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html > >I am trying to find a way that a faculty member not knowing a html authoring >tool can save a spreadsheet in an html format a screen reader can use. Just >saving as html JAWS seems to treat it as if it were just one long column. > >I tried to paste it into Dreamweaver to see if it would do something down >and dirty. I got the html but no better than saving to html from excel > > >Any ideas?? >Norm > > >EASI Webinars http://easi.cc/clinic.htm >"What You See Is What You Get" Web Design a 4-part Webinar Series April 8 > >EASI April Online Month-long, Courses starting April 7: >Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming >Train the Trainer >http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > >Norman Coombs, Ph.D. >CEO EASI http://easi.cc >Laguna Hills CA 92653 > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke ucla. edu ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:33:01 -0700 From: "John Gardner" Subject: Re: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <000b01c88a43$7be73110$0100a8c0@johnz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi. Well I still don't see any problem. I exported from Excel to HTML and could read it fine with either screen reader in IE. John -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Burke Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:47 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html Hi John, Norm & all, Jaws table commands in IE are: Control-Alt-Arrow keys to move around the table (Control-Alt-Numpad 5 to read current cell). I have gotten Excel files to export successfully in the past, using the .mht filetype. (Lots of extra frames & things around, but the table itself came through in readable form.) Hope this helps, Patrick At 03:25 PM 3/19/2008, John Gardner wrote: >Hi Norm, I guess I don't understand what the problem is. Excel gives >you two choices - a single file web page and a standard htm/html page. >I tried both, and both saved as perfectly respectable web tables. >Maybe the problem is Jaws? These web pages read just fine with >Window-Eyes. I have Jaws but don't know how to navigate web tables >with Jaws. If somebody will tell me how, I'll try it. > >John > > >John > > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs >Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:17 PM >To: athen-athenpro.org >Subject: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html > >I am trying to find a way that a faculty member not knowing a html >authoring tool can save a spreadsheet in an html format a screen reader >can use. Just saving as html JAWS seems to treat it as if it were just one long column. > >I tried to paste it into Dreamweaver to see if it would do something >down and dirty. I got the html but no better than saving to html from >excel > > >Any ideas?? >Norm > > >EASI Webinars http://easi.cc/clinic.htm "What You See Is What You Get" >Web Design a 4-part Webinar Series April 8 > >EASI April Online Month-long, Courses starting April 7: >Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming Train >the Trainer http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > >Norman Coombs, Ph.D. >CEO EASI http://easi.cc >Laguna Hills CA 92653 > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke ucla. edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:56:05 -0700 From: "Wink Harner" Subject: Re: [Athen] Just spent three lonely days in the brown LA haze... To: skeegan@htctu.net, "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Message-ID: <479AE6BF000070E4@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That was a positively brilliant, inspirational & thoughtful reflection, Sean! I applaud you. We all should go to workshops & conferences with this in mind: to reflect on what was good, innovative, inspirational, and problem-solving about our experiences in the workshops as well as on what could be changed or added to improve. Even your few criticisms were really said as good suggestions --not as criticism. We also should share with each other these reflections just as you did. This is the follow up to learning--like clinching the deal! I have a question for you, if you don't mind. I had an opportunity last fall to present some research to our VPs & IT dept. about I-TUNES U. Our IT dept. is so enamored of it and is promoting its use college-wide without any consideration about its inherent inaccessibility. My suggestions, recommendations and research on OCR complaints were all completely discounted. Poo-poo'ed, in fact. I, however discouraged I was last fall, am NOT GIVING UP!! A positively brilliant opportunity has presented itself --a real "teaching moment." Our Center for Teaching & Learning is offering an all-day technology in the classroom workshop mid-May, and one of the topics is I-TUNES U. How convenient!! I would like to do an hour-long workshop presentation and show how inaccessible this is out of the box and what it takes to MAKE it accessible. Have you or do you know anyone who might have done a presentation on I-TUNES demonstrating how it works (or not) and who might be willing to share some of the presentation materials with me? It would be such a help to me to have a bit of supporting materials to start. One of my thoughts is to video a couple of students trying to access captioning and screen readers, do something with showing the steps necessary to imbed captions for the Deaf & HoH + tags/descriptions for the VI. I am not being lazy --really! I was hoping not to have to completely reinvent the wheel. Anything you might be able to suggest or anyone to whom you might direct my request would be very much appreciated. It was really nice to see you again at CSUN. I have very much appreciated your knowledge & expertise through your posts on ATHEN & look forward to more from you in the future. You are a good teacher. Thanks in advance, Wink >-- Original Message -- >From: "Sean Keegan" >To: "'Alternate Media'" , > "'Designing Accessible Web Pages'" , > > "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:21:03 -0700 >Subject: [Athen] Just spent three lonely days in the brown LA haze... >Reply-To: skeegan@htctu.net, Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > > >Well, okay, perhaps it was not exactly *lonely* at CSUN but I wasn't sure >how else to get a Jimmy Buffett line into this thread. > >Yes, this past week was the CSU Northridge Conference and it was busy. This >year the conference was at the Marriott and Renaissance hotels and, to me, >it seemed a bit smaller than in the past. Presentations were good with a >few highlights. I made myself suffer through several that seemed more >intent on the marketing angle as opposed to demonstrating new or innovative >technologies for individuals with disabilities. > >Note to presenters - you can only use phrases like "empower users" or >"paradigm change" so many times before we stop listening. Please - have >mercy on us listening. > >A few presentations and technologies that were noteworthy: > >Dojo - An accessible Javascript toolkit >This was a great presentation that focused on how to improve the >accessibility of new Web technologies relying on javascript (I am not going >to say "Web 2.0 technologies" no matter how much brainwashing is involved). >Dojo is an open-source toolkit written in Javascript that allows developers >to create rich Internet applications that emulate a desktop application, >but >reside in a Web browser. One example would be something like the Yahoo! >Mail interface that is very similar to MS Outlook (i.e., tree menu systems, >different viewing panes, etc.) but would provide support for assistive >technologies. Dojo is supporting access by following many of the guidelines >developed by the Web Accessibility Initiatives - Accessible Rich Internet >Applications (WAI-ARIA) working group (http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/aria). >Right now, support is limited to Firefox and the recent version of >Window-Eyes, but more support will be coming in Firefox 3, Internet Explorer >8, Opera, and other screen-readers. More on Dojo and accessibility is >available at http://tinyurl.com/yvbcm4 . > > >Refreshing the Section 255 and 508 Accessibility Regulations >This session reviewed where the TEITAC group (Telecommunications, Electronic >and Information Technology Advisory Committee) was in the refresh of the >Section 508 Standards and Section 255 Regulations. The short version of >the >session was the TEITAC group would be passing along their recommendations >to >the Access Board on April 3. You can see the current working draft of the >recommendations at http://teitac.org/wiki/EWG:Draft_Jan_7 . Basically, the >TEITAC group has worked to "harmonize" the various accessibility criteria >with the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0 draft (WCAG 2.0). > > >Net-Centric's PDF Accessibility Wizard (PAW) and CommonLook Plug-in to Adobe >Acrobat >Net-Centric is a Canadian company that has two tools to address PDF >accessibility. The PAW tool (http://www.net-centric.com/products/paw.aspx) >integrates into MS Word and provides a wizard interface that checks the MS >Word document for accessibility issues. Some of the features were not quite >working yet, but for the most part it looks like a useful tool. One thing >that was very useful was that you could create tagged-PDF documents without >having to install Adobe Acrobat. Tagged PDF files are a necessary step to >ensuring accessible PDF versions. It was also easy to markup data tables >for accessibility in MS Word, which has limitations as to what header types >are supported. I will be taking a look at the beta in the next few weeks >to >see what actually is being implemented in the application. > >The other tool, the CommonLook Plug-In to Adobe Acrobat >(http://www.net-centric.com/products/cl_s508_adobe.aspx) does make it easier >to remediate PDF documents for accessibility in some circumstances. If you >are dealing with documents that have not had accessibility addressed during >the authoring stage (e.g., in MS Word) or are dealing with documents that >have a lot of complex data tables and a rich visual layout, then this tool >will make it easier to include accessibility into the PDF. The Net-Centric >representatives did mention that they have made some changes to the >application since I last used it, so I am going to take another look at the >application in the coming weeks. For simple PDF documents, based on what >I >saw at CSUN, I think this tool is overkill and believe that improving PDF >accessibility can be met by altering the document creation workflow - in >other words, build accessibility into the authoring process. There is not >much one has to do and it is far easier to address accessibility issues >early in document creation than to try and fix a PDF later on in the >process. For complex PDF documents, PDF documents with a rich visual >layout, PDF documents that were created by tools that do not support >accessibility (e.g., Quark), I think this tool could be useful and provide >a >benefit. > >Net-Centric has a number of Webinars that are conducted on a semi-regular >weekly basis. You can visit their Webinar site at >http://www.net-centric.com/customers/webinar_reg.aspx to see when the next >session is being conducted. > > >Math Accessibility at the Post-Secondary Level >This was a presentation by Steve Noble from Design Science and focused on >some of the progress that Design Science (http://www.dessci.com) has made >with respect to improving math accessibility. Most of the discussion was >on >the support for MathML in a HTML/XHTML environment as well as some examples >of MathML "in the wild" (e.g., ATPC's activities with MathML production, >Rice University's Connexions - www.cnx.org - and others). A beta version >of >the new MathPlayer plug-in was also demonstrated, showing how a user can >customize the speech for different math equations. Also in development is >the ability to use MathType and MS Word to create equations and then convert >to Nemeth through Duxbury - no intermediate steps necessary. More >information should be coming "soon". > > >Web 2.0 and Future Accessibility Development in the Opera Browser >I have always thought of Opera as this cool Web browser that always did more >than the others (e.g., first with tabbed browsing, voice control, aural CSS >support, etc). I even bought a Nintendo DS Lite with the Opera browser so >I >could check e-mail when I was traveling in Europe (ahem,...and maybe to play >a few games). That being said, there have been serious accessibility issues >with respect to screen-reader support. The good news is that the new Opera >9.5 Beta has improved support for screen-reader support and has been working >with GW Micro (Window-Eyes) and Dolphin (Supernova) to improve access. If >you are feeling a bit gutsy and are willing to get your hands dirty with >the >Beta version, visit http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/next/ . >Otherwise, stay tuned for more information about when the new version of >Opera is released as I think it will provide some useful features. > > >Those were some of the more memorable sessions at CSUN 2008. It will be >nice to see what actually materializes in the coming weeks and months >regarding all this new technology (e.g., where are all those flying cars?), >but I am optimistic that there will be some new tools that will provide >options. > >Take care, >Sean > >Sean Keegan >Web Accessibility Instructor >High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sean Keegan >Web Accessibility Instructor >High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 26, Issue 26 ************************************* From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Thu Mar 20 07:30:03 2008 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 26, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: <001d01c88a89$82916b20$3fc00798@sarojnewlaptop> Message-ID: <479AE6BF00007132@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Hi All, I apologize for inadvertently sending out a questionyesterday to all which I really wanted to aim at Sean. However, my commendations of his thoughtful response on CSUN was important for all of us!! Thanks for your collective knowledge (and forgiveness for occasional glitches). Wink Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 From lharrison at oise.utoronto.ca Thu Mar 20 11:55:29 2008 From: lharrison at oise.utoronto.ca (Laurie Harrison) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Information on Accessibility of Moodle 1.8 Message-ID: We are conducting some research on the accessibility of Moodle 1.8. Does anyone have leads on recent testing, resources or independent accessibility reviews for the most recent version of this Open Source LMS? Any links or leads would be appreciated. I have found self-reports of 508 and WCAG 1.0 but am looking for more... 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It would be great if we could share info. Have you seen the Moodle Accessibility Specification and the Moodle Accessibility Forum? You can get to both from http://docs.moodle.org/en/Accessibility. Thanks, Lisa Laurie Harrison wrote: We are conducting some research on the accessibility of Moodle 1.8. Does anyone have leads on recent testing, resources or independent accessibility reviews for the most recent version of this Open Source LMS? Any links or leads would be appreciated. I have found self-reports of 508 and WCAG 1.0 but am looking for more... 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If you or anyone you > know is familiar with it, please email me so I can learn from you. > norm.coombs@gmail.com > > > > > EASI Webinars http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > "What You See Is What You Get" Web Design a 4-part Webinar Series April 8 > > EASI April Online Month-long, Courses starting April 7: > Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming > Train the Trainer > http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > > Norman Coombs, Ph.D. > CEO EASI http://easi.cc > Laguna Hills CA 92653 > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -- -- -- -- Lisa Marie Fiedor Web Accessibility, Usability, & Design Specialist DELTA Instructional Support Services Campus Box 7111, NC State University, Raleigh NC 27695-7111 Rm 2133 DH Hill Library, East Wing v 919-513-4616 f 919-513-4005 lisa_fiedor@ncsu.edu From dick.banks at gmail.com Fri Mar 21 14:49:11 2008 From: dick.banks at gmail.com (Dick Banks) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking for anyone knowing about Softchalk course design system In-Reply-To: <47E3DD08.6030103@ncsu.edu> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20080305115802.045d3250@pop.gmail.com> <47E3DD08.6030103@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: <6441e6a70803211449j30255462w923377eaf2dfc7b5@mail.gmail.com> Apparently there are number of free Webinars about Softchalk that are being given. Check them out. http://www.softchalk.com/webinar/#premier Dick On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Lisa Fiedor wrote: > Hi Norm, > > I'm looking into this as well, so if you get any info, please share. > They claim to create accessible learning objects, but from the cursory > glance I saw, it had drag and drop exercises that were mouse dependent, > as well as some other Flash- or Java-based exercises. I'm planning to > investigate further, so I'll let you know what I find. > > Thanks, > Lisa > > > > Prof Norm Coombs wrote: > > I have been reading about Softchalk lesson builder. If you or anyone you > > know is familiar with it, please email me so I can learn from you. > > norm.coombs@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > EASI Webinars http://easi.cc/clinic.htm > > "What You See Is What You Get" Web Design a 4-part Webinar Series April 8 > > > > EASI April Online Month-long, Courses starting April 7: > > Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming > > Train the Trainer > > http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > > > > Norman Coombs, Ph.D. > > CEO EASI http://easi.cc > > Laguna Hills CA 92653 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > -- > -- -- -- > Lisa Marie Fiedor > Web Accessibility, Usability, & Design Specialist > DELTA Instructional Support Services > Campus Box 7111, NC State University, Raleigh NC 27695-7111 > Rm 2133 DH Hill Library, East Wing > v 919-513-4616 f 919-513-4005 > lisa_fiedor@ncsu.edu > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -- Dick Banks CTO - EASI: Equal Access to Software and Information Online Courses Starting April 7 Syllabus for Accessible Internet Multimedia http://easi.cc/workshops/mmedia.htm Train the Trainer http://easi.cc/workshops/train.htm SPECIAL INTERACTIVE 4 PART WEBINAR SERIES on Authoring Webpages "What You See Is What You Get" Web Design Starting April 8 From norm.coombs at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 14:04:31 2008 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html In-Reply-To: <000b01c88a43$7be73110$0100a8c0@johnz> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20080319131445.0209d870@pop.gmail.com> <008f01c88a10$21ccf850$0100a8c0@johnz> <7.0.1.0.2.20080319153957.024e0518@ucla.edu> <000b01c88a43$7be73110$0100a8c0@johnz> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20080322140150.020827b0@pop.gmail.com> Thanks for everyone's reply. What I was trying to do was the following. If I take a spreadsheet and make Excel define the row and column for headers, the spreadsheet remembers that and anyone else accessing the spreadsheet and using JAWS will have JAWS automatically read the headers as well as the cells as a person moves around the sheet. I was trying to get the HTML page to keep that information and to make the screen reader work in the html spreadsheet like in the excel version. I guess I am wanting too much. At 09:33 PM 3/19/2008, you wrote: >Hi. Well I still don't see any problem. I exported from Excel to HTML and >could read it fine with either screen reader in IE. > >John > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Patrick Burke >Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:47 PM >To: athen@athenpro.org >Subject: Re: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html > >Hi John, Norm & all, > >Jaws table commands in IE are: Control-Alt-Arrow keys to move around the >table (Control-Alt-Numpad 5 to read current cell). > >I have gotten Excel files to export successfully in the past, using the .mht >filetype. (Lots of extra frames & things around, but the table itself came >through in readable form.) > >Hope this helps, >Patrick > >At 03:25 PM 3/19/2008, John Gardner wrote: > >Hi Norm, I guess I don't understand what the problem is. Excel gives > >you two choices - a single file web page and a standard htm/html page. > >I tried both, and both saved as perfectly respectable web tables. > >Maybe the problem is Jaws? These web pages read just fine with > >Window-Eyes. I have Jaws but don't know how to navigate web tables > >with Jaws. If somebody will tell me how, I'll try it. > > > >John > > > > > >John > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > >Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs > >Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:17 PM > >To: athen-athenpro.org > >Subject: [Athen] question re Excel and accessible html > > > >I am trying to find a way that a faculty member not knowing a html > >authoring tool can save a spreadsheet in an html format a screen reader > >can use. Just saving as html JAWS seems to treat it as if it were just one >long column. > > > >I tried to paste it into Dreamweaver to see if it would do something > >down and dirty. I got the html but no better than saving to html from > >excel > > > > > >Any ideas?? > >Norm > > > > > >EASI Webinars http://easi.cc/clinic.htm "What You See Is What You Get" > >Web Design a 4-part Webinar Series April 8 > > > >EASI April Online Month-long, Courses starting April 7: > >Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming Train > >the Trainer http://easi.cc/workshop.htm > > > >Norman Coombs, Ph.D. > >CEO EASI http://easi.cc > >Laguna Hills CA 92653 > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Athen mailing list > >Athen@athenpro.org > >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Athen mailing list > >Athen@athenpro.org > >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > >-- >Patrick J. Burke > >Coordinator >UCLA Disabilities & >Computing Program > >Phone: 310 206-6004 >E-mail: burke ucla. edu > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org EASI Webinars http://easi.cc/clinic.htm "What You See Is What You Get" Web Design a 4-part Webinar Series April 8 EASI April Online Month-long, Courses starting April 7: Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming Train the Trainer http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs, Ph.D. CEO EASI http://easi.cc Laguna Hills CA 92653 From ron at ahead.org Mon Mar 24 07:49:06 2008 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Update to AHEAD E-Text Resources Message-ID: <007e01c88dbe$36f30ce0$a4d926a0$@org> Good morning all and forgive my cross posting, I am getting ready to make some updates to the AHEAD E-Text Website and want to include any materials you have created for you campus that you are willing to share and think our community would benefit from. If you have contributions you would like to add please send them to me directly. In particular we are looking for production work flows and objective product and solutions reviews. I am also in the process of scheduling the next round of AHEAD E-Text Institutes and if you are interested in bringing this valuable training opportunity to your local area please contact me directly. Ron ********************************************************************* Ron Stewart, Chair AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group ron@ahead.org http://www.ahead.org/etext/etext_main.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lisa_fiedor at ncsu.edu Mon Mar 24 08:26:11 2008 From: lisa_fiedor at ncsu.edu (Lisa Fiedor) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] web accessibility retrofitting service Message-ID: <47E7C813.8000409@ncsu.edu> Hi all, Do any of you provide a production retrofitting service to assist faculty/clients with creating accessible web resources for courses/sites? I've talked with a few people, and it doesn't seem that there are many (any) places that provide this. Is this something you would do on the Disability Services side, or would there be a way that you offer development services for faculty/content creators, so that the materials they provide are made accessible at the source? Thanks, Lisa -- -- -- -- Lisa Marie Fiedor Web Accessibility, Usability, & Design Specialist DELTA Instructional Support Services Campus Box 7111, NC State University, Raleigh NC 27695-7111 Rm 2133 DH Hill Library, East Wing v 919-513-4616 f 919-513-4005 lisa_fiedor@ncsu.edu From lisa_fiedor at ncsu.edu Mon Mar 24 08:59:28 2008 From: lisa_fiedor at ncsu.edu (Lisa Fiedor) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] [WebAIM] web accessibility retrofitting service In-Reply-To: References: <47E7C813.8000409@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: <47E7CFE0.7030305@ncsu.edu> Actually, I'm scoping out the development of an accessibility production service for our campus, and was wondering whether anyone has done that somewhere else. Our faculty are generally not experienced web developers, and there is interest in providing a service that will work with their online course materials and either redesign or retrofit them to be accessible. The majority of our public sites are accessible, but when it comes to course pages, there is some work that needs to be done. By whom, is the question. Thanks, Lisa Phil Teare wrote: > Looking at your site, its not so bad. Which areas are you wanting work done > on? Are they they public, for me to have a poke at? > Cheers > Phil > > > On 24/03/2008, Phil Teare wrote: > >> While most would say rewrites are better than retrofitting (and I'd >> agree), if you have the resources/time... we could look at it as a project. >> Talklets and V Browser offer fairly unique add-on services. They can both be >> bespoke tailored to work around the shortcomings of a given legacy system. >> >> Best, >> Phil >> -- >> Phil Teare, >> CTO & Chief Architect, >> http://www.talklets.com from Textic Ltd. >> (44) [0] 208 4452871 >> >> > > > > -- -- -- -- Lisa Marie Fiedor Web Accessibility, Usability, & Design Specialist DELTA Instructional Support Services Campus Box 7111, NC State University, Raleigh NC 27695-7111 Rm 2133 DH Hill Library, East Wing v 919-513-4616 f 919-513-4005 lisa_fiedor@ncsu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lisa_fiedor at ncsu.edu Mon Mar 24 09:30:19 2008 From: lisa_fiedor at ncsu.edu (Lisa Fiedor) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] [WebAIM] web accessibility retrofitting service In-Reply-To: References: <47E7C813.8000409@ncsu.edu> <47E7CFE0.7030305@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: <47E7D71B.5040402@ncsu.edu> Hi Phil, I'm not sure what you mean by adding a self voicing system and a templated patch. I'd definitely have to figure out how to work with something like AxsJax. Since there are potentially a lot of sites that faculty are developing, I'm not sure about how outsourcing the work to a company would work, or if it would scale. I'd need to get some idea of an hourly (?) cost or some sort of cost schedule for how that would work. There is such variability that would need to be accommodated, I'm just not sure how cost effective it would be. Also, I forsee that there would need to be a lot of participation of our faculty subject matter experts for accurate alt text, for example, that I'm not sure how that would work with a 3rd party. Thanks for your ideas! Lisa Phil Teare wrote: > In which case, like I say, a redesign would usually be best. And there are > dozens of excellent companies out there, to do just that. > > If there are clear reasons for this being impractical, a retrofit is going > to have many problems to overcome. Adding a self voiceing system and/or > templated patch (a little like T.V Raman's AxsJax) is a way to work around > these issues. This is something I'd be more than happy to investigate for > you, and is something we've done before. > > I'd list other design companies for a redesign, but there are so many and > I'd hate to leave anyone out. > > Best > Phil > > > On 24/03/2008, Lisa Fiedor wrote: > >> Actually, I'm scoping out the development of an accessibility production >> service for our campus, and was wondering whether anyone has done that >> somewhere else. Our faculty are generally not experienced web >> developers, and there is interest in providing a service that will work >> with their online course materials and either redesign or retrofit them >> to be accessible. The majority of our public sites are accessible, but >> when it comes to course pages, there is some work that needs to be done. >> By whom, is the question. >> >> Thanks, >> Lisa >> >> Phil Teare wrote: >> >>> Looking at your site, its not so bad. Which areas are you wanting work >>> >> done >> >>> on? Are they they public, for me to have a poke at? >>> Cheers >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> On 24/03/2008, Phil Teare wrote: >>> >>> >>>> While most would say rewrites are better than retrofitting (and I'd >>>> agree), if you have the resources/time... we could look at it as a >>>> >> project. >> >>>> Talklets and V Browser offer fairly unique add-on services. They can >>>> >> both be >> >>>> bespoke tailored to work around the shortcomings of a given legacy >>>> >> system. >> >>>> Best, >>>> Phil >>>> -- >>>> Phil Teare, >>>> CTO & Chief Architect, >>>> http://www.talklets.com from Textic Ltd. >>>> (44) [0] 208 4452871 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> -- -- -- >> Lisa Marie Fiedor >> Web Accessibility, Usability, & Design Specialist >> DELTA Instructional Support Services >> Campus Box 7111, NC State University, Raleigh NC 27695-7111 >> Rm 2133 DH Hill Library, East Wing >> v 919-513-4616 f 919-513-4005 >> lisa_fiedor@ncsu.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To manage your subscription, visit http://list.webaim.org/ >> Address list messages to webaim-forum@list.webaim.org >> >> > > > > -- -- -- -- Lisa Marie Fiedor Web Accessibility, Usability, & Design Specialist DELTA Instructional Support Services Campus Box 7111, NC State University, Raleigh NC 27695-7111 Rm 2133 DH Hill Library, East Wing v 919-513-4616 f 919-513-4005 lisa_fiedor@ncsu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From phil.teare at hiddendifferences.com Mon Mar 24 08:40:21 2008 From: phil.teare at hiddendifferences.com (Phil Teare) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] [WebAIM] web accessibility retrofitting service In-Reply-To: References: <47E7C813.8000409@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: Looking at your site, its not so bad. Which areas are you wanting work done on? Are they they public, for me to have a poke at? Cheers Phil On 24/03/2008, Phil Teare wrote: > > While most would say rewrites are better than retrofitting (and I'd > agree), if you have the resources/time... we could look at it as a project. > Talklets and V Browser offer fairly unique add-on services. They can both be > bespoke tailored to work around the shortcomings of a given legacy system. > > Best, > Phil > -- > Phil Teare, > CTO & Chief Architect, > http://www.talklets.com from Textic Ltd. > (44) [0] 208 4452871 > -- Phil Teare, CTO & Chief Architect, http://www.talklets.com from Textic Ltd. 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I'd list other design companies for a redesign, but there are so many and I'd hate to leave anyone out. Best Phil On 24/03/2008, Lisa Fiedor wrote: > > Actually, I'm scoping out the development of an accessibility production > service for our campus, and was wondering whether anyone has done that > somewhere else. Our faculty are generally not experienced web > developers, and there is interest in providing a service that will work > with their online course materials and either redesign or retrofit them > to be accessible. The majority of our public sites are accessible, but > when it comes to course pages, there is some work that needs to be done. > By whom, is the question. > > Thanks, > Lisa > > Phil Teare wrote: > > Looking at your site, its not so bad. Which areas are you wanting work > done > > on? Are they they public, for me to have a poke at? > > Cheers > > Phil > > > > > > On 24/03/2008, Phil Teare wrote: > > > >> While most would say rewrites are better than retrofitting (and I'd > >> agree), if you have the resources/time... we could look at it as a > project. > >> Talklets and V Browser offer fairly unique add-on services. They can > both be > >> bespoke tailored to work around the shortcomings of a given legacy > system. > >> > >> Best, > >> Phil > >> -- > >> Phil Teare, > >> CTO & Chief Architect, > >> http://www.talklets.com from Textic Ltd. > >> (44) [0] 208 4452871 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > -- -- -- > Lisa Marie Fiedor > Web Accessibility, Usability, & Design Specialist > DELTA Instructional Support Services > Campus Box 7111, NC State University, Raleigh NC 27695-7111 > Rm 2133 DH Hill Library, East Wing > v 919-513-4616 f 919-513-4005 > lisa_fiedor@ncsu.edu > > _______________________________________________ > To manage your subscription, visit http://list.webaim.org/ > Address list messages to webaim-forum@list.webaim.org > -- Phil Teare, CTO & Chief Architect, http://www.talklets.com from Textic Ltd. (44) [0] 208 4452871 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phil.a.teare at googlemail.com Mon Mar 24 09:47:02 2008 From: phil.a.teare at googlemail.com (Phil Teare) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] [WebAIM] web accessibility retrofitting service In-Reply-To: <47E7D71B.5040402@ncsu.edu> References: <47E7C813.8000409@ncsu.edu> <47E7CFE0.7030305@ncsu.edu> <47E7D71B.5040402@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: It keeps looking more and more like you need a rewrite and not a retrofit then. By self voicing I mean like this (literally no work done here, just dumped it into our test system): https://www.talklets-secure.com/vbrowser2/browse.php?u=%3A%2F%2Fncsu.edu%2Fcurrent-students%2Findex.php&b=188 (the voice can of course be US) Simply put, the benefits of self voicing through something like V Browser are that you can make something that is not accessible, accessible, without rewriting the actual base system. Effectively making the Assistive Technology (which would be web based) do the hard work of presenting an accessible interface. Rather than making the legacy system itself accessible to any and every Assistive Technology (like JAWS etc). Pros: little to no work your end Accessible from most online machines, even if AT not installed on them (this is pretty cool, especially for educational establishments and public services) Cons: latency (you'll need a good connection, or it'll be jittery), but hosting on your servers greatly reduces this issue. some users are used to their AT and won't want to change to a web based system Thinking about it, it sounds like you want something you just buy in a box that fixes what you have. There have been attempts at this, but most, sadly have been fairly disappointing, and for fairly unavoidable reasons. Does that make sense? Best Phil -- Phil Teare, CTO & Chief Architect, http://www.talklets.com from Textic Ltd. (44) [0] 208 4452871 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com Mon Mar 24 10:27:18 2008 From: ron.stewart at dolphinusa.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] [WebAIM] web accessibility retrofitting service In-Reply-To: References: <47E7C813.8000409@ncsu.edu> <47E7CFE0.7030305@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: <007701c88dd4$507531a0$f15f94e0$@stewart@dolphinusa.com> Phil This thread appears to be a solicitation by a vendor for business which is prohibited on this list. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Phil Teare Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:19 PM To: WebAIM Discussion List Cc: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [WebAIM] web accessibility retrofitting service In which case, like I say, a redesign would usually be best. And there are dozens of excellent companies out there, to do just that. If there are clear reasons for this being impractical, a retrofit is going to have many problems to overcome. Adding a self voiceing system and/or templated patch (a little like T.V Raman's AxsJax) is a way to work around these issues. This is something I'd be more than happy to investigate for you, and is something we've done before. I'd list other design companies for a redesign, but there are so many and I'd hate to leave anyone out. Best Phil On 24/03/2008, Lisa Fiedor wrote: Actually, I'm scoping out the development of an accessibility production service for our campus, and was wondering whether anyone has done that somewhere else. Our faculty are generally not experienced web developers, and there is interest in providing a service that will work with their online course materials and either redesign or retrofit them to be accessible. The majority of our public sites are accessible, but when it comes to course pages, there is some work that needs to be done. By whom, is the question. Thanks, Lisa Phil Teare wrote: > Looking at your site, its not so bad. Which areas are you wanting work done > on? Are they they public, for me to have a poke at? > Cheers > Phil > > > On 24/03/2008, Phil Teare wrote: > >> While most would say rewrites are better than retrofitting (and I'd >> agree), if you have the resources/time... we could look at it as a project. >> Talklets and V Browser offer fairly unique add-on services. They can both be >> bespoke tailored to work around the shortcomings of a given legacy system. >> >> Best, >> Phil >> -- >> Phil Teare, >> CTO & Chief Architect, >> http://www.talklets.com from Textic Ltd. >> (44) [0] 208 4452871 >> >> > > > > -- -- -- -- Lisa Marie Fiedor Web Accessibility, Usability, & Design Specialist DELTA Instructional Support Services Campus Box 7111, NC State University, Raleigh NC 27695-7111 Rm 2133 DH Hill Library, East Wing v 919-513-4616 f 919-513-4005 lisa_fiedor@ncsu.edu _______________________________________________ To manage your subscription, visit http://list.webaim.org/ Address list messages to webaim-forum@list.webaim.org -- Phil Teare, CTO & Chief Architect, http://www.talklets.com from Textic Ltd. (44) [0] 208 4452871 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at htctu.net Mon Mar 24 11:20:16 2008 From: skeegan at htctu.net (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] web accessibility retrofitting service In-Reply-To: <47E7CFE0.7030305@ncsu.edu> References: <47E7C813.8000409@ncsu.edu> <47E7CFE0.7030305@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: <004001c88ddb$b6252120$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> > Actually, I'm scoping out the development of an accessibility production > service for our campus, and was wondering whether anyone has done that somewhere else. I am not quite sure what you are looking for when you specify an "accessibility production service", but if you are looking for an example of such a service on a campus, there is the Badger Accessibility Services at Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison (http://www.bas.wisc.edu/). I believe they do a lot of alternate media production, but may serve as just one example (there are others, I just cannot think of them right now). > Our faculty are generally not experienced web developers, and there is interest in > providing a service that will work with their online course materials and either redesign > or retrofit them to be accessible. In some respects, it sounds like you are looking at an entity to support faculty in the creation of online materials (that are also accessible). Instructional designers that also have training in aspects of accessibility/content usability would be ideal as the designers could direct faculty during the content creation process. Additionally, such designers would be versed in using the various campus technologies in such a way that retrofitting (where possible) would be a simple process. If possible, I would put this entity outside of a Disabled Student Services program. 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URL: From lisa_fiedor at ncsu.edu Mon Mar 24 11:59:33 2008 From: lisa_fiedor at ncsu.edu (Lisa Fiedor) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] web accessibility retrofitting service In-Reply-To: <004001c88ddb$b6252120$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <47E7C813.8000409@ncsu.edu> <47E7CFE0.7030305@ncsu.edu> <004001c88ddb$b6252120$99821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <47E7FA15.6090005@ncsu.edu> Hi Sean, Sean Keegan wrote: > > Actually, I'm scoping out the development of an accessibility production > > service for our campus, and was wondering whether anyone has done > that somewhere else. > > I am not quite sure what you are looking for when you specify an > "accessibility production service", but if you are looking for an > example of such a service on a campus, there is the Badger > Accessibility Services at Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison > (http://www.bas.wisc.edu/). I believe they do a lot of alternate > media production, but may serve as just one example (there are others, > I just cannot think of them right now). By accessibility production service, I'm talking about a place (most likely on campus) that faculty can "bring" their online course materials, and a person/people will make those materials accessible (e.g., add appropriate alt text, fix tables, caption media (or farm that out), etc.) Thanks for the reference to UW-Madison, I'll try to find someone to talk to there. > > > Our faculty are generally not experienced web developers, and there > is interest in > > providing a service that will work with their online course materials > and either redesign > > or retrofit them to be accessible. > > In some respects, it sounds like you are looking at an entity to > support faculty in the creation of online materials (that are also > accessible). Instructional designers that also have training in > aspects of accessibility/content usability would be ideal as the > designers could direct faculty during the content creation process. > Additionally, such designers would be versed in using the various > campus technologies in such a way that retrofitting (where possible) > would be a simple process. > > If possible, I would put this entity outside of a Disabled Student > Services program. You could certainly have dialogue between such > program groups, but I would suggest keeping them separate. As it stands now, that's what I do in my current role. I work with faculty to design and develop online course materials, and, of course, make them accessible. Also, I teach workshops, answer questions in our help desk queue, and do individual consultations. The problem is that we do not have staff to provide a "drop-off" service, and I need some justification for getting that staff and establishing that service. > > take care, > Sean I appreciate your help in this endeavor. Thanks, Lisa > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -- -- -- -- Lisa Marie Fiedor Web Accessibility, Usability, & Design Specialist DELTA Instructional Support Services Campus Box 7111, NC State University, Raleigh NC 27695-7111 Rm 2133 DH Hill Library, East Wing v 919-513-4616 f 919-513-4005 lisa_fiedor@ncsu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norm.coombs at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 13:39:02 2008 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] EASI April Newsletters Webinars, courses, Podcasts Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20080324133254.021fa010@pop.gmail.com> "Play it again Sam" as they say in the movies! DID YOU MISS THE FABULOUS WEBINARS THIS MONTH ABOUT BOOKSHARE AND THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS NATIONAL LIBRARY SERVICE AND THE EXPLOTION OF DIGITAL BOOKS? Well these 2 opportunities were so good, we want to let you have access to their audio archives to hear at your convenience Bookshare audio: http://easi.cc/archive/bshare/bshare.htm Bookshare Web: http://www.bookshare.org NLS audio: http://easi.cc/archive/nls/lib.mp3 NLS Web: http://loc.gov/nls COMING IN APRIL Two online courses: 1 Train the Trainer, 2 Accessible Multimedia, podcasts and Vodcasts (See the registration bonus below for each of these courses) 4-part Webinar series: "What You See Is What You Get" Web Design (See the registration bonus below for this series) Free Webinar: Recording for the Blind and Dyslexic Update Webinar Snapshot Accessible Products: How to Know What to Buy? Webinar Snapshot: Making Accessible Online Surveys Podcasts and Vodcasts: 4 feeds each month EASI annual Webinar membership provides access to all Webinars for a year as well as other member features. To get both individual and institutional membership details, send email to norm@easi.cc Train the Trainer is an online, asynchronous course on the Web which you can access at any time. It includes some hands-on experience with demos of adaptive technologies. It is not intended to make you an advanced expert in these applications; it aims to make you familiar enough with them that you can provide training to students with disabilities so they can utilize them to do their studies. There is a bonus CD aimed for lab assistants to help them provide on-the-spot aid to students with disabilities http://easi.cc/workshops/train.htm Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming This will focus more on making multimedia accessible than on the nuts and bolts of creating multimedia. It will explain what is required by Section 508 and introduce MAGpie, Macaw and more. For Vodcasts it will show to insert the text into the actual movie. The bonus is a multimedia presentation on making flash accessible using Captionate http://easi.cc/workshops/mmedia.htm Four part fee-based Webinar series "What You See Is What You Get" Web Design April 8, 15, 22 and 29 at 2 PM Eastern Daylight Presenter: Dick Banks Special Bonus You can get a five part narrated video presentation of the accessibility features in Dreamweaver MX 2004/Dreamweaver 8.0 with a paid registration to this four part fee-based Webinar series If you create Web pages using Notepad or you are a seasoned Web author, this course isn't for you If you don't understand HTML code when you see it, this course demonstrating creating Web pages with WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get) editors will let you design Web pages and design them so they are both attractive and are accessible to surfers with disabilities We will use two web WYSIWYG editors. The first is Dreamweaver MX 2004 or Dreamweaver 8 which is a commercial authoring tool that is well known in authoring circles. The second program is called KompoZer/Nvu. KompoZerNvu is an open source FREE WYSIWYG editor with versions for Windows, Mac or Linux. This makes if possible for anyone to take the series. Thee are many challenges to accessing the Web for users with disabilities. This series will cover those areas that are the most challenging. You will download all the materials you need for the series. Since all participants will be working with the same work files, you will be able to work together and learn from each other as well as the instructor. Read more and register at: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm Free Webinar: Recording for the Blind and Dyslexic Update This is an excellent to the March Webinars on Bookshare and NLS. The date and presenter have not yet been finalized. This will either be in late April or early may. Watch the Webinar page The 2 Snapshots for April are: Webinar Snapshot Accessible Products: How to Know What to Buy? April 9 2 PM The Voluntary Product Accessibility Template, (VPAT),is a tool designed by the government both to help vendors understand accessibility and to highlight the features of their product as well as a tool to help the buyers sort through the jungle of confusing details and help them make informed decisions. This is the first of a series of Webinars explaining the VPAT and other tools including the GSA site's accessibility purchasing wizard. Section 508 is about more than the Web but involves all purchases of electronic-related purchases. Webinar Snapshot: Making Accessible Online Surveys Wed. April 23 at 2 PM This will be a brief demonstration of a product that creates surveys and which can also make surveys that are fully accessible. All Webinar registrations are at: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm When you go to the Webinar page, we recognize the details including dates and registration links are limited. Our Webinars in January and February plus the March CSUN conference meant were sliding behind in nailing down future plans. Our goal is to get back on track in the next couple of weeks. Please "stay tuned in" and we promise details will be filled in shortly. From asuncion at alcor.concordia.ca Tue Mar 25 16:17:31 2008 From: asuncion at alcor.concordia.ca (Jennison Mark Asuncion) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] In Memory of Dr. John Slatin (fwd) Message-ID: Hello, I trust Norm won't mind me passing this note along, which he posted to the EASI list earlier today. Jennison ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:10:32 -0700 From: Prof Norm Coombs Reply-To: Equal Access to Software & Information To: EASI@LISTSERV.ICORS.ORG Subject: In Memory of Dr. John Slatin John's passing will be a great loss. A fabulous and warm person Just got the news. See the link below http://leukemialetters.blogspot.com/2008/03/john-passed-away-peacefully-10pm-mon.html EASI Webinars http://easi.cc/clinic.htm "What You See Is What You Get" Web Design a 4-part Webinar Series April 8 EASI April Online Month-long, Courses starting April 7: Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming Train the Trainer http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs, Ph.D. CEO EASI http://easi.cc Laguna Hills CA 92653 From Vasquez at sbcc.edu Tue Mar 25 16:30:01 2008 From: Vasquez at sbcc.edu (Laurie Vasquez) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] In Memory of Dr. John Slatin (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E92888.1869.00F8.0@sbcc.edu> Sad loss indeed. I was thinking at CSUN that I hadn't seen John around. Now I know why. My love goes out to his family and colleagues who had the great joy of sharing presentations and dinners with him. Laurie Vasquez Assistive Technology Specialist DSPS & Faculty Resource Center Santa Barbara City College 721 Cliff Drive Santa Barbara, CA. 93109-2394 Phone: (805) 965-0581 ext. 2529 Fax: (805) 884-4966 E-mail: vasquez@sbcc.edu >>> Jennison Mark Asuncion 3/25/2008 4:17 PM >>> Hello, I trust Norm won't mind me passing this note along, which he posted to the EASI list earlier today. Jennison ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:10:32 -0700 From: Prof Norm Coombs Reply-To: Equal Access to Software & Information To: EASI@LISTSERV.ICORS.ORG Subject: In Memory of Dr. John Slatin John's passing will be a great loss. A fabulous and warm person Just got the news. See the link below http://leukemialetters.blogspot.com/2008/03/john-passed-away-peacefully-10pm-mon.html EASI Webinars http://easi.cc/clinic.htm "What You See Is What You Get" Web Design a 4-part Webinar Series April 8 EASI April Online Month-long, Courses starting April 7: Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming Train the Trainer http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs, Ph.D. CEO EASI http://easi.cc Laguna Hills CA 92653 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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URL: From Michael.Nusen at ppcc.edu Wed Mar 26 16:55:43 2008 From: Michael.Nusen at ppcc.edu (Nusen, Michael) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac In-Reply-To: <006e01c80090$cc0a5920$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <6e0d34c90709261301t6637f83yc01c7e09bc832f0e@mail.gmail.com><006601c8008f$3f49e5b0$0a01a8c0@laptop> <006e01c80090$cc0a5920$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: "MacSpeech Dictate"? Does anyone know if this is hype, an upgrade from the "MacSpeech" application in the 9-26-07 e-mail noted below, or a new product. From: http://www.macspeech.com/article_info.php?articles_id=288 "MacSpeech Dictate Unveiled": It is heralded as follows: "Revolutionary New Speech Recognition Solution for the Mac with Unprecedented Accuracy Makes Using a Mac With Your Voice Easier Than Ever SAN FRANCISCO, Calif., January 15, 2008 - Macworld Conference and Expo 2008, Booth #607 - MacSpeech, Inc. today debuted MacSpeech Dictate(tm), a revolutionary new speech recognition solution for the Mac.... The underlying speech recognition and dictation technology is powered by dictation technology from Nuance Communications, Inc [the makers of Dragon NaturallySpeaking]." Thank you, Michael Nusen Coordinator, OASIS/CAC (Office of Accommodative Services and Instructional Support/Computer Access Center) Pikes Peak Community College michael.nusen@ppcc.edu 719-502-3022 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:59 PM To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac I just researched this information for a friend, and here is what I discovered. Which voice recognition software to use for the Mac appears to comes down to which version of the Mac OS you have. If you have OS X 10.3 or older (10.1, 10.2, 10.3) then you need ViaVoice. If you have OS X 10.4 or newer then you need iListen. If anyone knows something different, please let me know, but this seems to be the breakdown for the two... ViaVoice Mac OS X version 10.1, 10.2 and 10.3 300 MHz G3 processor or higher* 192 MB RAM (256 RAM recommended) 600 MB of available hard drive space USB port Audio output jack or USB speakers CD-ROM drive or DVD drive Macintosh Computer Requirements G3 and G4 Macintosh computers which support the system requirements noted above*. Note to Mac OS X - Unix File System (UFS) users: IBM ViaVoice for Mac OS X has been designed to take advantage of the Extended File System, also known as HFS+. Installation of IBM ViaVoice for Mac OS X in a UFS volume is not supported. iListen Mac OS X 10.3.9 or newer (Mac OS 10.4 or later recommended). G4, G5 or Intel, (G5 or Intel recommended). 512MB RAM. MacSpeech certified microphone required to receive technical support. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:48 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac Have you heard of iListen http://www.macspeech.com/ it may be worth a go - I have used it with one student and although it does not have all the features of Dragon Naturally Preferred and does not work in all applications it has improved in its recognition rates in recent times. Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab ECS, University of Southampton Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:01 PM To: Athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac Hi all! OK - here it is - I'm not familiar with AT for the Mac. I admit it. Hard to believe that I've not had students asking me until now. But just today, I've had a student in my office to discuss options. So, of course, I come to you, this oh-so-wise group, to gain knowledge and understanding. Student is running Mac OS X, has Boot Camp, but not very familiar with it. Although he does use Word... Is willing to consider running something PC-side, but he much more comfortable with the Mac environment. He is desperate for voice recognition. What are your suggestions??? Many thanks in advance to one and all! Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tdd) _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1029 - Release Date: 24/09/2007 19:09 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1029 - Release Date: 24/09/2007 19:09 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From pratikp1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 17:41:18 2008 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac In-Reply-To: References: <6e0d34c90709261301t6637f83yc01c7e09bc832f0e@mail.gmail.com><006601c8008f$3f49e5b0$0a01a8c0@laptop> <006e01c80090$cc0a5920$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <000001c88fa3$46828820$d3879860$@com> We've seen initial reports for this product to be excellent. A few people who have experience with Dragon on the PC and this product believe this the two products could be quite comparable. We won't know for definite for a few months though. Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Nusen, Michael Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:56 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac "MacSpeech Dictate"? Does anyone know if this is hype, an upgrade from the "MacSpeech" application in the 9-26-07 e-mail noted below, or a new product. From: http://www.macspeech.com/article_info.php?articles_id=288 "MacSpeech Dictate Unveiled": It is heralded as follows: "Revolutionary New Speech Recognition Solution for the Mac with Unprecedented Accuracy Makes Using a Mac With Your Voice Easier Than Ever SAN FRANCISCO, Calif., January 15, 2008 - Macworld Conference and Expo 2008, Booth #607 - MacSpeech, Inc. today debuted MacSpeech Dictate(tm), a revolutionary new speech recognition solution for the Mac.... The underlying speech recognition and dictation technology is powered by dictation technology from Nuance Communications, Inc [the makers of Dragon NaturallySpeaking]." Thank you, Michael Nusen Coordinator, OASIS/CAC (Office of Accommodative Services and Instructional Support/Computer Access Center) Pikes Peak Community College michael.nusen@ppcc.edu 719-502-3022 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:59 PM To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac I just researched this information for a friend, and here is what I discovered. Which voice recognition software to use for the Mac appears to comes down to which version of the Mac OS you have. If you have OS X 10.3 or older (10.1, 10.2, 10.3) then you need ViaVoice. If you have OS X 10.4 or newer then you need iListen. If anyone knows something different, please let me know, but this seems to be the breakdown for the two... ViaVoice Mac OS X version 10.1, 10.2 and 10.3 300 MHz G3 processor or higher* 192 MB RAM (256 RAM recommended) 600 MB of available hard drive space USB port Audio output jack or USB speakers CD-ROM drive or DVD drive Macintosh Computer Requirements G3 and G4 Macintosh computers which support the system requirements noted above*. Note to Mac OS X - Unix File System (UFS) users: IBM ViaVoice for Mac OS X has been designed to take advantage of the Extended File System, also known as HFS+. Installation of IBM ViaVoice for Mac OS X in a UFS volume is not supported. iListen Mac OS X 10.3.9 or newer (Mac OS 10.4 or later recommended). G4, G5 or Intel, (G5 or Intel recommended). 512MB RAM. MacSpeech certified microphone required to receive technical support. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:48 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac Have you heard of iListen http://www.macspeech.com/ it may be worth a go - I have used it with one student and although it does not have all the features of Dragon Naturally Preferred and does not work in all applications it has improved in its recognition rates in recent times. Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab ECS, University of Southampton Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:01 PM To: Athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac Hi all! OK - here it is - I'm not familiar with AT for the Mac. I admit it. Hard to believe that I've not had students asking me until now. But just today, I've had a student in my office to discuss options. So, of course, I come to you, this oh-so-wise group, to gain knowledge and understanding. Student is running Mac OS X, has Boot Camp, but not very familiar with it. Although he does use Word... Is willing to consider running something PC-side, but he much more comfortable with the Mac environment. He is desperate for voice recognition. What are your suggestions??? Many thanks in advance to one and all! Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tdd) _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1029 - Release Date: 24/09/2007 19:09 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1029 - Release Date: 24/09/2007 19:09 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From rmhaven at stanford.edu Thu Mar 27 01:11:39 2008 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac In-Reply-To: References: <6e0d34c90709261301t6637f83yc01c7e09bc832f0e@mail.gmail.com><006601c8008f$ 3f49e5b0$0a01a8c0@laptop> <006e01c80090$cc0a5920$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: Hi, Michael! MacSpeech discontinued their iListen product in February. It's been replaced with Dictate, a new product which is based on the Dragon speech recognition engine (MacSpeech licensed it from Nuance). Current iListen owners can "crossgrade" to Dictate at a reduced price depending on when they purchased iListen -- see articles below for details. (They're actually different articles though they look the same at first glance.) Take note, Dictate only runs on Intel Macs. http://www.macspeech.com/article_info.php?articles_id=288&osCsid=a9d639ddf7dfdc0b358589df81897dbd http://www.macspeech.com/article_info.php?articles_id=289&osCsid=a9d639ddf7dfdc0b358589df81897dbd I spoke to the MacSpeech folks a few weeks ago about availability. They said they've been so inundated with requests that they decided to fulfill crossgrade and pre-orders first, then ship to first-time purchasers. MacMall appears to be the only place currently carrying the product for orders. Based on the initial reviews I've read and comments by a colleague who tried it at Macworld, the accuracy seems to be on par with Dragon but the user interface is different and there appear to be some operational bugs with editing and moving the cursor reminiscent of iListen's problems in this area. Here are two brief video demos of Dictate in action -- well worth watching! -- and a third illustrating an editing bug: http://cerebreality.com/?p=121 http://cerebreality.com/?p=124 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1yKEKRU3hE - Shelley Haven >"MacSpeech Dictate"? Does anyone know if this is hype, an upgrade from >the "MacSpeech" application in the 9-26-07 e-mail noted below, or a new >product. > >From: http://www.macspeech.com/article_info.php?articles_id=288 >"MacSpeech Dictate Unveiled": It is heralded as follows: > >"Revolutionary New Speech Recognition Solution for the Mac with >Unprecedented Accuracy Makes Using a Mac With Your Voice Easier Than >Ever >SAN FRANCISCO, Calif., January 15, 2008 - Macworld Conference and Expo >2008, Booth #607 - MacSpeech, Inc. today debuted MacSpeech Dictate(tm), >a revolutionary new speech recognition solution for the Mac.... The >underlying speech recognition and dictation technology is powered by >dictation technology from Nuance Communications, Inc [the makers of >Dragon NaturallySpeaking]." > >Thank you, > >Michael Nusen >Coordinator, OASIS/CAC >(Office of Accommodative Services and Instructional Support/Computer >Access Center) >Pikes Peak Community College >michael.nusen@ppcc.edu >719-502-3022 > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich >Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:59 PM >To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac > >I just researched this information for a friend, and here is what I >discovered. Which voice recognition software to use for the Mac appears >to >comes down to which version of the Mac OS you have. > >If you have OS X 10.3 or older (10.1, 10.2, 10.3) then you need >ViaVoice. > >If you have OS X 10.4 or newer then you need iListen. > >If anyone knows something different, please let me know, but this seems >to >be the breakdown for the two... > > >ViaVoice > >Mac OS X version 10.1, 10.2 and 10.3 > >300 MHz G3 processor or higher* > >192 MB RAM (256 RAM recommended) > >600 MB of available hard drive space > >USB port > >Audio output jack or USB speakers > >CD-ROM drive or DVD drive > >Macintosh Computer Requirements > >G3 and G4 Macintosh computers which support the system requirements >noted >above*. > >Note to Mac OS X - Unix File System (UFS) users: > >IBM ViaVoice for Mac OS X has been designed to take advantage of the >Extended File System, also known as HFS+. Installation of IBM ViaVoice >for >Mac OS X in a UFS volume is not supported. > > >iListen > >Mac OS X 10.3.9 or newer (Mac OS 10.4 or later recommended). > >G4, G5 or Intel, (G5 or Intel recommended). > >512MB RAM. > >MacSpeech certified microphone required to receive technical support. > > >****************************************************** >Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich >High Tech Center Training Unit of the >California Community Colleges >De Anza College, Cupertino, CA >www.htctu.net >408-996-6043 > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of E.A. Draffan >Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:48 PM >To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >Subject: Re: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac > >Have you heard of iListen http://www.macspeech.com/ it may be worth a >go - >I have used it with one student and although it does not have all the >features of Dragon Naturally Preferred and does not work in all >applications >it has improved in its recognition rates in recent times. > > >Best wishes E.A. > >Mrs E.A. Draffan >Learning Societies Lab >ECS, University of Southampton >Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7246 >http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk >http://www.emptech.info/ >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Heidi Scher >Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:01 PM >To: Athen@athenpro.org >Subject: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac > >Hi all! > >OK - here it is - I'm not familiar with AT for the Mac. I admit it. >Hard to believe that I've not had students asking me until now. But >just >today, I've had a student in my office to discuss options. So, of >course, I >come to you, this oh-so-wise group, to gain knowledge and understanding. > >Student is running Mac OS X, has Boot Camp, but not very familiar with >it. >Although he does use Word... Is willing to consider running something >PC-side, but he much more comfortable with the Mac environment. He is >desperate for voice recognition. > >What are your suggestions??? > >Many thanks in advance to one and all! > >Heidi > >-- > >Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC >Interim Assistant Director >Center for Educational Access >University of Arkansas >1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 >Fayetteville, AR 72701 >(479) 575-3104 (voice) >(479) 575-7445 (fax) >(479) 575-3646 (tdd) > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1029 - Release Date: >24/09/2007 >19:09 > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1029 - Release Date: >24/09/2007 >19:09 > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From maryz at MIT.EDU Thu Mar 27 10:45:35 2008 From: maryz at MIT.EDU (Mary J. Ziegler) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac References: <6e0d34c90709261301t6637f83yc01c7e09bc832f0e@mail.gmail.com><006601c8008f$3f49e5b0$0a01a8c0@laptop><006e01c80090$cc0a5920$9a821299@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <013801c89032$609bd8d0$ea017112@mit.edu> We installed MacSpeech Dictate in our AT Lab a couple of weeks ago and a few of us, including myself, have tried it out. We all seem to agree: as reported, the speech engine provides terrific recognition accuracy. However, the user interface is buggy and barebones. Correction and spelling modes are not included in the current release. Also, voice dictation and manual keyboard/mouse corrections/actions do not integrate well. Some commands appear not to work, but because there is no manual or user documentation yet, it's hard to tell what should be working in what way. My current take / recommendation is: - this product is a very promising development for Mac users, but not ready yet. I'll likely be recommending it AFTER MacSpeech has added more features (correction mode; spelling mode; and a manual) and fixed some bugs. Mary Mary J. Ziegler Team Leader, Adaptive Technology Services MIT Information Services and Technology (IS&T) ATIC Lab Room 7-143 617-258-9328 maryz@mit.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nusen, Michael" To: "Access Technologists in Higher Education Network" Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac "MacSpeech Dictate"? Does anyone know if this is hype, an upgrade from the "MacSpeech" application in the 9-26-07 e-mail noted below, or a new product. From: http://www.macspeech.com/article_info.php?articles_id=288 "MacSpeech Dictate Unveiled": It is heralded as follows: "Revolutionary New Speech Recognition Solution for the Mac with Unprecedented Accuracy Makes Using a Mac With Your Voice Easier Than Ever SAN FRANCISCO, Calif., January 15, 2008 - Macworld Conference and Expo 2008, Booth #607 - MacSpeech, Inc. today debuted MacSpeech Dictate(tm), a revolutionary new speech recognition solution for the Mac.... The underlying speech recognition and dictation technology is powered by dictation technology from Nuance Communications, Inc [the makers of Dragon NaturallySpeaking]." Thank you, Michael Nusen Coordinator, OASIS/CAC (Office of Accommodative Services and Instructional Support/Computer Access Center) Pikes Peak Community College michael.nusen@ppcc.edu 719-502-3022 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:59 PM To: ea@emptech.info; 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac I just researched this information for a friend, and here is what I discovered. Which voice recognition software to use for the Mac appears to comes down to which version of the Mac OS you have. If you have OS X 10.3 or older (10.1, 10.2, 10.3) then you need ViaVoice. If you have OS X 10.4 or newer then you need iListen. If anyone knows something different, please let me know, but this seems to be the breakdown for the two... ViaVoice Mac OS X version 10.1, 10.2 and 10.3 300 MHz G3 processor or higher* 192 MB RAM (256 RAM recommended) 600 MB of available hard drive space USB port Audio output jack or USB speakers CD-ROM drive or DVD drive Macintosh Computer Requirements G3 and G4 Macintosh computers which support the system requirements noted above*. Note to Mac OS X - Unix File System (UFS) users: IBM ViaVoice for Mac OS X has been designed to take advantage of the Extended File System, also known as HFS+. Installation of IBM ViaVoice for Mac OS X in a UFS volume is not supported. iListen Mac OS X 10.3.9 or newer (Mac OS 10.4 or later recommended). G4, G5 or Intel, (G5 or Intel recommended). 512MB RAM. MacSpeech certified microphone required to receive technical support. ****************************************************** Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:48 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac Have you heard of iListen http://www.macspeech.com/ it may be worth a go - I have used it with one student and although it does not have all the features of Dragon Naturally Preferred and does not work in all applications it has improved in its recognition rates in recent times. Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab ECS, University of Southampton Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:01 PM To: Athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Voice recognition for Mac Hi all! OK - here it is - I'm not familiar with AT for the Mac. I admit it. Hard to believe that I've not had students asking me until now. But just today, I've had a student in my office to discuss options. So, of course, I come to you, this oh-so-wise group, to gain knowledge and understanding. Student is running Mac OS X, has Boot Camp, but not very familiar with it. Although he does use Word... Is willing to consider running something PC-side, but he much more comfortable with the Mac environment. He is desperate for voice recognition. What are your suggestions??? Many thanks in advance to one and all! Heidi -- Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Interim Assistant Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 (479) 575-3104 (voice) (479) 575-7445 (fax) (479) 575-3646 (tdd) _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1029 - Release Date: 24/09/2007 19:09 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1029 - Release Date: 24/09/2007 19:09 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From cbrown at ad.nmsu.edu Fri Mar 28 07:14:47 2008 From: cbrown at ad.nmsu.edu (Brown, Carol) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Mac User and Kruzweil Message-ID: <978D21DCF54A3B49A0BEAB40E89172580196AA5343@EXCHANGE-MBX-01.ACN.ad.nmsu.edu> We started Kurzweil License-To-Go this semester. Recently, I had someone who was interested in it, but has a MAC. The student feels they are being denied the same opportunity that PC users have. Since I understand that the PC version works if you are running Boot Camp, it doesn't seem cost effective to purchase the Mac version of Kurzweil. The student states her computer is two years old, and doesn't have Boot Camp. Any feedback would be appreciated. Carol Brown Assistive Technology Specialist Services for Students with Disabilities Rm. 244, Corbett Center MSC 4149 New Mexico State University P.O. Box 30001 Las Cruces, New Mexico 88003-8001 (505) 646-6840 Office (505) 646-5222 Fax (505) 646-1918 TTY -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dann at digilifemedia.biz Fri Mar 28 08:14:10 2008 From: dann at digilifemedia.biz (dann) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Mac User and Kruzweil Message-ID: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A7124356@trinity.trinityumc.local> My response would be to look past the proprietary program and find out what the student needs and seek an alternative. I frequently roll my eyes at the so called "Kurzweil Campuses" because they put much money into this program when the typically student end-user really only needs a simple text-to-speech or e-text reader. It is the rare student that uses more than the basic read out loud feature of Kurzweil. I usually compare this to MS-Word where the typical user only makes use of 20-percent of what the program is capable of. Someone needs to take the time with student and find out what exactly it is they need and how exactly they need to access it. If it does turn out that this student is a Kurzweil power-user and wants/needs/actually uses all of the bells and whistles then simple fairness dictates that the Mac version be provided. Perhaps Kurzweil is willing to be flexible with the license and can provide a Mac version+license as part of the contract. I'd call the Rep and ask for this. --- Dann Daniel Berkowitz Digilife Media, LLC (email) dann@digilifemedia.biz (mobile) 978-914-4601 ++sent via mobile device++ ----- Original Message ----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org To: athen@athenpro.org Sent: Fri Mar 28 09:14:47 2008 Subject: [Athen] Mac User and Kruzweil We started Kurzweil License-To-Go this semester. Recently, I had someone who was interested in it, but has a MAC. The student feels they are being denied the same opportunity that PC users have. Since I understand that the PC version works if you are running Boot Camp, it doesn?t seem cost effective to purchase the Mac version of Kurzweil. The student states her computer is two years old, and doesn?t have Boot Camp. Any feedback would be appreciated. Carol Brown Assistive Technology Specialist Services for Students with Disabilities Rm. 244, Corbett Center MSC 4149 New Mexico State University P.O. Box 30001 Las Cruces, New Mexico 88003-8001 (505) 646-6840 Office (505) 646-5222 Fax (505) 646-1918 TTY -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbailey at uoregon.edu Fri Mar 28 09:10:38 2008 From: jbailey at uoregon.edu (James Bailey) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Mac User and Kruzweil In-Reply-To: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A7124356@trinity.trinityumc.local> References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A7124356@trinity.trinityumc.local> Message-ID: <1206720638.653761.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> Dann - I agree with you and I am looking at alternatives to K 3000. What are your favorite text-to-speech or e-text readers? - James -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:14:10 -0500, "dann" wrote: > > My response would be to look past the proprietary program and find out what the student needs and seek an alternative. I frequently roll my eyes at the so called "Kurzweil Campuses" because they put much money into this program when the typically student end-user really only needs a simple text-to-speech or e-text reader. It is the rare student that uses more than the basic read out loud feature of Kurzweil. I usually compare this to MS-Word where the typical user only makes use of 20-percent of what the program is capable of. > > Someone needs to take the time with student and find out what exactly it is they need and how exactly they need to access it. If it does turn out that this student is a Kurzweil power-user and wants/needs/actually uses all of the bells and whistles then simple fairness dictates that the Mac version be provided. > > Perhaps Kurzweil is willing to be flexible with the license and can provide a Mac version+license as part of the contract. I'd call the Rep and ask for this. > > --- Dann > > > Daniel Berkowitz > Digilife Media, LLC > (email) dann@digilifemedia.biz > (mobile) 978-914-4601 > ++sent via mobile device++ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > To: athen@athenpro.org > Sent: Fri Mar 28 09:14:47 2008 > Subject: [Athen] Mac User and Kruzweil > > We started Kurzweil License-To-Go this semester. Recently, I had someone who was interested in it, but has a MAC. The student feels they are being denied the same opportunity that PC users have. > > Since I understand that the PC version works if you are running Boot Camp, it doesn?t seem cost effective to purchase the Mac version of Kurzweil. The student states her computer is two years old, and doesn?t have Boot Camp. > > > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > > > Carol Brown > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Services for Students with Disabilities > > Rm. 244, Corbett Center > > MSC 4149 > > New Mexico State University > > P.O. Box 30001 > > Las Cruces, New Mexico 88003-8001 > > > > (505) 646-6840 Office > > (505) 646-5222 Fax > > (505) 646-1918 TTY > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Fri Mar 28 12:45:16 2008 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] EDUCAUSE - The Why and How of Web Accessibility Message-ID: <006501c8910c$3fc24330$3f1b0bc6@ad.colorado.edu> Just received this announcement from Educause. Was this done in coordination with ATHEN or in response to our collaboration? Anyway, great to see this being covered by EDUCAUSE. EDUCAUSE Live! April 4, 2008 1:00 p.m. ET (12:00 p.m. CT, 11:00 a.m. MT, 10:00 a.m. PT); runs one hour The Why and How of Web Accessibility More info: http://www.educause.edu/content.asp?SECTION_ID=355 &bhcp=1 -Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norm.coombs at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 13:13:02 2008 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Tune In April 4: The Why and How of Web Accessibility Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20080328131223.021ab570@pop.gmail.com> See the announcement below about EDUCAUSE Webinar. Some of us should tune in. Norm >Delivered-To: norm.coombs@gmail.com >X-Gmail-Fetch-Info: nrcgsh@rit.edu 1 mymail.rit.edu 995 nrcgsh >Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:38:52 +0000 (GMT) >From: "educause@educause.edu" >Subject: Tune In April 4: The Why and How of Web Accessibility >To: nrcgsh@rit.edu >Reply-to: educause@educause.edu >X-RIT-Received-From: 129.21.3.39 mySpam >X-IADB-IP: 66.192.112.2 >X-IADB-IP-REVERSE: 2.112.192.66 >X-IADB-URL: http://www.isipp.com/iadb.php >X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2008 19:39:10.0282 (UTC) >FILETIME=[64DB4AA0:01C8910B] > >To view an HTML version of this message, please type >http://educause.informz.net/educause/archives/archive_74537.html into your >browser's address bar. > >April 4: The Why and How of Web Accessibility > >Harry Hochheiser >Assistant Professor of Computer and Information Sciences >Towson University >and >Tracy Mitrano >Director of IT Policy and Computer Policy and Law Program >Cornell University > >Topic: The Why and How of Web Accessibility (http://www.educause.edu/LIVE087) >Date: April 4, 2008 >Time: 1:00 p.m. ET (12:00 p.m. CT, 11:00 a.m. MT, 10:00 a.m. PT). >International participants: You may wish to visit this external >time-conversion website >(http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_US-DC.aspx?y=2008&mo=4&d=4&h=13&mn=0) >to calculate the start time in your time zone. >Duration: 1 hour > >The challenge of web accessibility raises issues of both policy and >technology. This session features experts in each of these two areas. > >Policy guru Tracy Mitrano says: "Developing a web accessibility policy has >been one of the greatest but most rewarding challenges I have faced in >creating an IT policy framework at Cornell. With the EDUCAUSE Live! >audience, I would like to share some of the struggles and stories about >that process and what accessibility, education, and the web have come to >mean to me as a result." > >Technology expert Harry Hochheiser summarizes: "Although the need for >accessible web sites is widely accepted, many developers are still >uncertain about the costs and limitations associated with designs that >account for users with varying skills, capabilities, and computing tools. >Fortunately, these problems are solvable: with proper planning and design, >web sites can be interactive, engaging, highly functional, and accessible. >The combination of accessibility guidelines and automated evaluation tools >can help any developer build sites that are more accessible and usable for >all users." > >Join us for a discussion of this very important topic. > >The event is free, but registration is required and virtual seating is >limited. REGISTER NOW (http://www.educause.edu/RegisterNow/15630). > >Explore Related EDUCAUSE Resources >Follow the link(s) below for articles, conference materials, blog >postings, and more at EDUCAUSE Connect. Wherever you see the envelope icon >in the upper right of a page (make sure you're logged in to see it), click >on it to receive e-mail alerts when related resources are added. > >- Web Accessibility >(http://connect.educause.edu/term_view/Web+Accessibility) >- Web Administration, Design and Development >(http://connect.educause.edu/term_view/Web+Administration%2C+Design%2C+and+Development) > >- Access for Persons with Disabilities >(http://connect.educause.edu/term_view/Access+for+Persons+with+Disabilities) >- Adaptive and Assistive Technology >(http://connect.educause.edu/term_view/Adaptive+and+Assistive+Technology) >- Usability Development >(http://connect.educause.edu/term_view/Usability+Development) >- Policy and Law: Campus >(http://connect.educause.edu/term_view/Policy+and+Law%3A+Campus) > >Additional Resources > >- ACM Policy Statement on Internet Accessibility >(http://www.acm.org/public-policy/accessibility) >- World Wide Web Consortium's Web Accessibility Initiative >(http://www.w3.org/WAI) > >Technical Requirements >NOTE: As of March 2008, we are using Adobe Connect to host our web >seminars. Whether you've participated in an EDUCAUSE Live! web seminar >before or you're joining us for the first time, please run the Adobe >Acrobat Connect Connection Test >(http://educause.acrobat.com/common/help/en/support/meeting_test.htm) >before the event. View the Adobe Connect technical requirements >(http://www.educause.edu/TechnicalInformation/2721). > >About EDUCAUSE Live! >Struggling to stay current in spite of tight budgets and limited time? >Tune in to EDUCAUSE Live!, the online seminar series that lets you >interact with today's leaders and pioneers in higher education IT?from the >convenience of your own desktop. > >During these free events, host Steve Worona >(http://www.educause.edu/YourHost/2720) and a special guest discuss and >answer your questions about a hot issue or emerging trend that has an >impact on IT in higher education. > >Find archives of past seminars (http://www.educause.edu/Events/2719) and >information about other upcoming events on the EDUCAUSE Live! website >(http://www.educause.edu/live). > > >EDUCAUSE Live! 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For other questions, contact EDUCAUSE >at info@educause.edu (mailto:info@educause.edu) or 4772 Walnut St., Suite >206, Boulder, CO 80301. > > >Powered by Informz for iMIS http://www.informzforimis.com > > >This email was sent to: nrcgsh@rit.edu (1000049248) EASI Webinars http://easi.cc/clinic.htm "What You See Is What You Get" Web Design a 4-part Webinar Series April 8 EASI April Online Month-long, Courses starting April 7: Accessible Internet Multimedia: Podcasts, Vodcasts and Streaming Train the Trainer http://easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs, Ph.D. CEO EASI http://easi.cc Laguna Hills CA 92653 From dann at digilifemedia.biz Fri Mar 28 14:39:03 2008 From: dann at digilifemedia.biz (dann) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Mac User and Kruzweil References: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A7124356@trinity.trinityumc.local> <1206720638.653761.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> Message-ID: <1C0A17730536A641A679589E755028A717D0AA@trinity.trinityumc.local> My current favorite for inexpensive and easy use is the Natural Reader program from Natural Soft - http://www.naturalreaders.com/ - but this is only for the Windows platform. For the Mac I recommend checking out Ghost Reader - http://www.convenienceware.com/index.php I have had absolute novices get both of these up and running within minutes and then tweak them to their personal tastes. Both have free trial versions to get you hooked but the cost to upgrade is within most budgets. --------------- Daniel Berkowitz, CEO DigiLife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 617-512-4315 mobile: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz ________________________________ From: James Bailey [mailto:jbailey@uoregon.edu] Sent: Fri 3/28/2008 12:10 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Cc: dann Subject: Re: [Athen] Mac User and Kruzweil Dann - I agree with you and I am looking at alternatives to K 3000. What are your favorite text-to-speech or e-text readers? - James -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:14:10 -0500, "dann" wrote: > > My response would be to look past the proprietary program and find out what the student needs and seek an alternative. I frequently roll my eyes at the so called "Kurzweil Campuses" because they put much money into this program when the typically student end-user really only needs a simple text-to-speech or e-text reader. It is the rare student that uses more than the basic read out loud feature of Kurzweil. I usually compare this to MS-Word where the typical user only makes use of 20-percent of what the program is capable of. > > Someone needs to take the time with student and find out what exactly it is they need and how exactly they need to access it. If it does turn out that this student is a Kurzweil power-user and wants/needs/actually uses all of the bells and whistles then simple fairness dictates that the Mac version be provided. > > Perhaps Kurzweil is willing to be flexible with the license and can provide a Mac version+license as part of the contract. I'd call the Rep and ask for this. > > --- Dann > > > Daniel Berkowitz > Digilife Media, LLC > (email) dann@digilifemedia.biz > (mobile) 978-914-4601 > ++sent via mobile device++ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > To: athen@athenpro.org > Sent: Fri Mar 28 09:14:47 2008 > Subject: [Athen] Mac User and Kruzweil > > We started Kurzweil License-To-Go this semester. Recently, I had someone who was interested in it, but has a MAC. The student feels they are being denied the same opportunity that PC users have. > > Since I understand that the PC version works if you are running Boot Camp, it doesn't seem cost effective to purchase the Mac version of Kurzweil. The student states her computer is two years old, and doesn't have Boot Camp. > > > > Any feedback would be appreciated. > > > > Carol Brown > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Services for Students with Disabilities > > Rm. 244, Corbett Center > > MSC 4149 > > New Mexico State University > > P.O. Box 30001 > > Las Cruces, New Mexico 88003-8001 > > > > (505) 646-6840 Office > > (505) 646-5222 Fax > > (505) 646-1918 TTY > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Terry Terry Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology UW Technology Services University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:45 PM To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] EDUCAUSE - The Why and How of Web Accessibility Just received this announcement from Educause. Was this done in coordination with ATHEN or in response to our collaboration? Anyway, great to see this being covered by EDUCAUSE. EDUCAUSE Live! April 4, 2008 1:00 p.m. ET (12:00 p.m. CT, 11:00 a.m. MT, 10:00 a.m. PT); runs one hour The Why and How of Web Accessibility More info: http://www.educause.edu/content.asp?SECTION_ID=355&bhcp=1 -Howard Howard Kramer Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator AT Conference Coordinator Disability Services CU-Boulder, 107 UCB Boulder, Co 80309 303-492-8672 From jongund at uiuc.edu Sat Mar 29 08:09:05 2008 From: jongund at uiuc.edu (Jon Gunderson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] EDUCAUSE - The Why and How of Web Accessibility Message-ID: <20080329100905.BDZ02072@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Did anyone submit proposals for the 2008 Educause conference? I submitted a preconference workshop on web accessibility, but missed the general session deadline. Jon ---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:55:50 -0700 >From: "Terry Thompson" >Subject: Re: [Athen] EDUCAUSE - The Why and How of Web Accessibility >To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > >I think our collaboration with EDUCAUSE has helped to elevate their >perception of accessibility as an important issue, but an equally important >parallel event was Tracy Mitrano of Cornell being elected to the EDUCAUSE >Board of Directors. Tracy's an oustpoken advocate for accessibility and I >see she's one of the speakers at this event. I suspect she had a hand in >organizing it. > >Terry > >Terry Thompson >Technology Accessibility Specialist >DO-IT, Accessible Technology >UW Technology Services >University of Washington >tft@u.washington.edu >206/221-4168 > >________________________________ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] >On Behalf Of Howard Kramer > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:45 PM > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > Subject: [Athen] EDUCAUSE - The Why and How of Web Accessibility > > > > Just received this announcement from Educause. Was this done in >coordination with ATHEN or in response to our collaboration? Anyway, great >to see this being covered by EDUCAUSE. > > > > EDUCAUSE Live! April 4, 2008 1:00 p.m. ET (12:00 p.m. CT, 11:00 a.m. >MT, 10:00 a.m. PT); runs one hour > > The Why and How of Web Accessibility > > More info: > > http://www.educause.edu/content.asp?SECTION_ID=355&bhcp=1 > > > > -Howard > > > > > > Howard Kramer > Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator > AT Conference Coordinator > Disability Services > CU-Boulder, 107 UCB > Boulder, Co 80309 > 303-492-8672 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. Coordinator Information Technology Accessibility Disability Resources and Educational Services Rehabilitation Education Center Room 86 1207 S. Oak Street Champaign, Illinois 61821 Voice: (217) 244-5870 WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/ WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/ From tft at u.washington.edu Sat Mar 29 08:18:01 2008 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terry Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] EDUCAUSE - The Why and How of Web Accessibility In-Reply-To: <20080329100905.BDZ02072@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <200803291518.m2TFI39r032146@smtp.washington.edu> I submitted a proposal for a general session "IT Accessibility: Various Models to Effect Change" Terry > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Jon Gunderson > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:09 AM > To: tAccess Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] EDUCAUSE - The Why and How of Web Accessibility > > Did anyone submit proposals for the 2008 Educause conference? > > I submitted a preconference workshop on web accessibility, > but missed the general session deadline. > > Jon > > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:55:50 -0700 > >From: "Terry Thompson" > >Subject: Re: [Athen] EDUCAUSE - The Why and How of Web Accessibility > >To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > > > > >I think our collaboration with EDUCAUSE has helped to elevate their > >perception of accessibility as an important issue, but an equally > >important parallel event was Tracy Mitrano of Cornell being > elected to > >the EDUCAUSE Board of Directors. Tracy's an oustpoken advocate for > >accessibility and I see she's one of the speakers at this event. I > >suspect she had a hand in organizing it. > > > >Terry > > > >Terry Thompson > >Technology Accessibility Specialist > >DO-IT, Accessible Technology > >UW Technology Services > >University of Washington > >tft@u.washington.edu > >206/221-4168 > > > >________________________________ > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org > [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > >On Behalf Of Howard Kramer > > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:45 PM > > To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' > > Subject: [Athen] EDUCAUSE - The Why and How of Web Accessibility > > > > > > > > Just received this announcement from Educause. Was this done in > >coordination with ATHEN or in response to our collaboration? Anyway, > >great to see this being covered by EDUCAUSE. > > > > > > > > EDUCAUSE Live! April 4, 2008 1:00 p.m. ET (12:00 p.m. > CT, 11:00 a.m. > >MT, 10:00 a.m. PT); runs one hour > > > > The Why and How of Web Accessibility > > > > More info: > > > > http://www.educause.edu/content.asp?SECTION_ID=355&bhcp=1 > > > > > > > > -Howard > > > > > > > > > > > > Howard Kramer > > Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator > > AT Conference Coordinator > > Disability Services > > CU-Boulder, 107 UCB > > Boulder, Co 80309 > > 303-492-8672 > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Athen mailing list > >Athen@athenpro.org > >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. > Coordinator Information Technology Accessibility Disability > Resources and Educational Services > > Rehabilitation Education Center > Room 86 > 1207 S. Oak Street > Champaign, Illinois 61821 > > Voice: (217) 244-5870 > > WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/ > WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Sun Mar 30 17:18:09 2008 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility in Second Life Message-ID: <479AE6BF000085C2@email3.dist.maricopa.edu> Hi All, Have received the following forwarded conversation from our Center for Teaching & Learning regarding accessibility in Second Life. Several of you asked me to post to the list (forgive the cross posting). There is a lot of really great research & researchers on this. Enjoy! Wink ------------------------ From: Gomes, Neil Date: Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:16 PM To: NMCTAB@princeton.edu Hello everyone, I hope all is well with you today. We are currently researching accessibility issues with new media and would like to know if the NMC members have any information about accessibility issues and provisions (including innovative ideas, processes, and software/hardware) to overcome these in 3-D environments like Second Life. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Have a great day. Best wishes, Neil ___________________________________________________ Neil Gomes (MBA, MEd.) Assistant Director for Instructional and Information Technology Center for 21st Century Teaching Excellence University of South Florida 4202 E Fowler Avenue, SVC1072 Tampa, FL - 33620 Ph: 813-974-1839 Email: ngomes@cte.usf.edu **************************************************************************** The NMC TAB list is an NMC members-only list dedicated to knowledge sharing. To unsubscribe from this list, send an email to unsubscribe_TAB@nmc.org. To contact the list administrator, send an email to listadm@nmc.org. **************************************************************************** ---------- From: Ed Lamoureux Date: Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:48 PM To: NMCTAB@princeton.edu yep here is the link to the SLED archives on accessiblity issues http://www.google.com/cse?cx=001010425210852223575%3Ajldmgpuier0&q=accessibility&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 Edward Lee Lamoureux, Ph. D. Associate Professor, Multimedia Program and Department of Communication http://slane.bradley.edu/com/faculty/lamoureux/website2/ Co-Director, Bradley Univ. New Media Center 1501 W. Bradley Bradley University Peoria IL 61625 office: 309-677-2378 cell: 309-635-2605 AIM/IM & skype: dredleelam Second Life: Professor Beliveau "the Professor" (music in SL) Cheryl's Scent-Sations/Mia Bella website: ---------- From: Deb Alexander Date: Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:50 PM To: NMCTAB@princeton.edu Hi, Neil: I met a Curriculum & Instruction grad student who is working on Augmentive and Alternative communication (assistive speech technology) at the Communication Cafe, in Gramela (161,143, 24). Second Life handle = Sasquatch Flanagan. Deb > Email: ngomes@cte.usf.edu -- ================= Deborah Alexander Digital Media Center University of Minnesota 212 Walter Library 612-626-0069 debba@umn.edu ---------- From: Shelley Rodrigo Date: Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:38 PM To: Wink Harner fyi...I thought you might find this interesting. Shelley Forwarded conversation Subject: Accessibility in Second Life ------------------------ From: Gomes, Neil Date: Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:16 PM To: NMCTAB@princeton.edu ---------- From: Ed Lamoureux Date: Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:48 PM To: NMCTAB@princeton.edu ---------- From: Deb Alexander Date: Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:50 PM To: NMCTAB@princeton.edu -- -- Shelley Rodrigo Instructional Technologist, Center for Teaching & Learning Mesa Community College "The illiterate of the twenty-first century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn." --Alvin Toffler ---------- From: Wink Harner Date: Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:05 PM To: Shelley Rodrigo Would you like to know more from our access technology experts? Wink ---------- From: Shelley Rodrigo Date: Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 4:48 AM To: Wink Harner not at the moment; however, before I start to dabble hard core this summer. And yes, let's plan on scheduling a series for next academic year. I'll be in contact starting in April. Shelley ---------- From: Anne-Marie Armstrong Date: Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 5:27 AM To: NMCTAB@princeton.edu I attended and copied the discussion of a group who meet in Second Life to talk about accessibility. It is attached. To me it was quite telling. They met at healthinfo island. Healthinfo island also contains exhibits on differences, physical, cognitive and psychological. There is more info at http://healthinfoisland.blogspot.com/ Anne-Marie Armstrong WSU Libraries Office forTeaching and Learning dv3709@wayne.edu 313-577-5605 From: NMC Technology Advisory Board (TAB) [mailto:NMCTAB@Princeton.EDU] On Behalf Of Gomes, Neil Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:16 PM To: NMCTAB@Princeton.EDU ---------- From: Salmons, Janet Date: Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 6:52 AM To: NMCTAB@princeton.edu Hello everyone, TechSoup (an online community for non-profit professionals) held an online forum event on this topic. It is still online-- free access: http://www.techsoup.org/go/accessibletechnology Simon Stevens (aka Simon Walsh in Second Life) http://www.simonstevens.com/blog/ will be speaking about his work in Second Life. Simon Walsh is chief executive of Enable Enterprises which manages the Wheelies nightclub for people with disabilities in Second Life and the Second Ability Second Life simulator. In real life, Simon has cerebral palsy and lives in Coventry, UK. He is a disability consultant and trainer working with many organizations large and small. Janet (aka Opal Zabelata) Janet Salmons, Ph.D. Capella University School of Business and Technology and Vision2Lead. Inc. (www.vision2lead.com ) PO Box 943 Boulder, CO 80306-0943 Janet.Salmons@faculty.capella.edu 303-443-3075 ________________________________ From: NMC Technology Advisory Board (TAB) on behalf of Gomes, Neil Sent: Thu 3/27/2008 1:16 PM Email: ngomes@cte.usf.edu **************************************************************************** ---------- From: Sandra Andrews Date: Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:15 PM To: NMCTAB@princeton.edu Neil, There are quite a few people with similar concerns, including me; and most of us are at the stage of raising awareness, identifying issues and attempting to design solutions. >From ASU's Applied Learning Technologies Institute (alt^I) we offer an online graduate course in which students investigate not only accessibility issues in virtual worlds, but also ways in which these virtual worlds might function as assistive technologies in themselves. The course will be offered again soon and I can notify you if you wish. Carolina Keats (avatar) of Health Info has received a grant to look at accessibility issues in SL. Polgara Paine and Chade Villota of the Educators' Coop in SL would have information for you as well. The WCAG has met within Second Life and given some initial thoughts. Some individuals (Simon Walsh, owner of Wheelies nightclub, for example, or the people of the Autism Liberation Front) are forging ahead with solutions for themselves. You might also check the SLED archives at https://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/educators/. Sandy Andrews/Ozma Malibu -- Sandra Sutton Andrews, PhD Research and Design alt^I Applied Learning Technologies Institute University Technology Office Arizona State University ---------- From: Anne-Marie Armstrong Date: Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:54 AM To: NMCTAB@princeton.edu New story today, autism in Second Life. http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/conditions/03/28/sl.autism.irpt/index.html Also, if anyone wants the attachment that I couldn't send on the discussion of Universal Instructional Design and other issues that took place on Healthinfo Island, email me directly. **************************************************************************** -- Shelley Rodrigo Instructional Technologist, Center for Teaching & Learning Mesa Community College "The illiterate of the twenty-first century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn." --Alvin Toffler Ms. Wink Harner Manager Disability Resources & Services Mesa Community College Mesa AZ 480-461-7447 From lisa_fiedor at ncsu.edu Mon Mar 31 08:19:53 2008 From: lisa_fiedor at ncsu.edu (Lisa Fiedor) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:28:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] EDUCAUSE - The Why and How of Web Accessibility In-Reply-To: <20080329100905.BDZ02072@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> References: <20080329100905.BDZ02072@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <47F10119.4040606@ncsu.edu> I submitted a general session proposal for "Strategies and Techniques for Faculty Support in Creating Accessible Web-based Course Materials". Lisa Jon Gunderson wrote: > Did anyone submit proposals for the 2008 Educause conference? > > I submitted a preconference workshop on web accessibility, but missed the general session deadline. > > Jon > > > ---- Original message ---- > >> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:55:50 -0700 >> From: "Terry Thompson" >> Subject: Re: [Athen] EDUCAUSE - The Why and How of Web Accessibility >> To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" >> >> I think our collaboration with EDUCAUSE has helped to elevate their >> perception of accessibility as an important issue, but an equally important >> parallel event was Tracy Mitrano of Cornell being elected to the EDUCAUSE >> Board of Directors. Tracy's an oustpoken advocate for accessibility and I >> see she's one of the speakers at this event. I suspect she had a hand in >> organizing it. >> >> Terry >> >> Terry Thompson >> Technology Accessibility Specialist >> DO-IT, Accessible Technology >> UW Technology Services >> University of Washington >> tft@u.washington.edu >> 206/221-4168 >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] >> On Behalf Of Howard Kramer >> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:45 PM >> To: 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network' >> Subject: [Athen] EDUCAUSE - The Why and How of Web Accessibility >> >> >> >> Just received this announcement from Educause. Was this done in >> coordination with ATHEN or in response to our collaboration? Anyway, great >> to see this being covered by EDUCAUSE. >> >> >> >> EDUCAUSE Live! April 4, 2008 1:00 p.m. ET (12:00 p.m. CT, 11:00 a.m. >> MT, 10:00 a.m. PT); runs one hour >> >> The Why and How of Web Accessibility >> >> More info: >> >> http://www.educause.edu/content.asp?SECTION_ID=355&bhcp=1 >> >> >> >> -Howard >> >> >> >> >> >> Howard Kramer >> Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator >> AT Conference Coordinator >> Disability Services >> CU-Boulder, 107 UCB >> Boulder, Co 80309 >> 303-492-8672 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> > Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. > Coordinator Information Technology Accessibility > Disability Resources and Educational Services > > Rehabilitation Education Center > Room 86 > 1207 S. Oak Street > Champaign, Illinois 61821 > > Voice: (217) 244-5870 > > WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/ > WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -- -- -- -- Lisa Marie Fiedor Web Accessibility, Usability, & Design Specialist DELTA Instructional Support Services Campus Box 7111, NC State University, Raleigh NC 27695-7111 Rm 2133 DH Hill Library, East Wing v 919-513-4616 f 919-513-4005 lisa_fiedor@ncsu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fran Prezant ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Phil Teare Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:19 PM To: WebAIM Discussion List Cc: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [WebAIM] web accessibility retrofitting service In which case, like I say, a redesign would usually be best. And there are dozens of excellent companies out there, to do just that. If there are clear reasons for this being impractical, a retrofit is going to have many problems to overcome. Adding a self voiceing system and/or templated patch (a little like T.V Raman's AxsJax) is a way to work around these issues. This is something I'd be more than happy to investigate for you, and is something we've done before. I'd list other design companies for a redesign, but there are so many and I'd hate to leave anyone out. Best Phil On 24/03/2008, Lisa Fiedor wrote: Actually, I'm scoping out the development of an accessibility production service for our campus, and was wondering whether anyone has done that somewhere else. Our faculty are generally not experienced web developers, and there is interest in providing a service that will work with their online course materials and either redesign or retrofit them to be accessible. The majority of our public sites are accessible, but when it comes to course pages, there is some work that needs to be done. By whom, is the question. Thanks, Lisa Phil Teare wrote: > Looking at your site, its not so bad. Which areas are you wanting work done > on? Are they they public, for me to have a poke at? > Cheers > Phil > > > On 24/03/2008, Phil Teare wrote: > >> While most would say rewrites are better than retrofitting (and I'd >> agree), if you have the resources/time... we could look at it as a project. >> Talklets and V Browser offer fairly unique add-on services. They can both be >> bespoke tailored to work around the shortcomings of a given legacy system. >> >> Best, >> Phil >> -- >> Phil Teare, >> CTO & Chief Architect, >> http://www.talklets.com from Textic Ltd. >> (44) [0] 208 4452871 >> >> > > > > -- -- -- -- Lisa Marie Fiedor Web Accessibility, Usability, & Design Specialist DELTA Instructional Support Services Campus Box 7111, NC State University, Raleigh NC 27695-7111 Rm 2133 DH Hill Library, East Wing v 919-513-4616 f 919-513-4005 lisa_fiedor@ncsu.edu _______________________________________________ To manage your subscription, visit http://list.webaim.org/ Address list messages to webaim-forum@list.webaim.org -- Phil Teare, CTO & Chief Architect, http://www.talklets.com from Textic Ltd. (44) [0] 208 4452871 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> "Prezant, Fran" 3/28/2008 8:17 AM >>> If a blind student is registering for a computer based course , does the university need to purchase JAWS to provide access to the materials and class participation if they don't already have it. What is the benefit, disadvantage and/or legality of having an aide provide the assistance to the student. Thanks for any and all input. Fran Prezant ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Phil Teare Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:19 PM To: WebAIM Discussion List Cc: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [WebAIM] web accessibility retrofitting service In which case, like I say, a redesign would usually be best. And there are dozens of excellent companies out there, to do just that. If there are clear reasons for this being impractical, a retrofit is going to have many problems to overcome. Adding a self voiceing system and/or templated patch (a little like T.V Raman's AxsJax) is a way to work around these issues. This is something I'd be more than happy to investigate for you, and is something we've done before. I'd list other design companies for a redesign, but there are so many and I'd hate to leave anyone out. Best Phil On 24/03/2008, Lisa Fiedor wrote: Actually, I'm scoping out the development of an accessibility production service for our campus, and was wondering whether anyone has done that somewhere else. Our faculty are generally not experienced web developers, and there is interest in providing a service that will work with their online course materials and either redesign or retrofit them to be accessible. The majority of our public sites are accessible, but when it comes to course pages, there is some work that needs to be done. By whom, is the question. Thanks, Lisa Phil Teare wrote: > Looking at your site, its not so bad. Which areas are you wanting work done > on? Are they they public, for me to have a poke at? > Cheers > Phil > > > On 24/03/2008, Phil Teare wrote: > >> While most would say rewrites are better than retrofitting (and I'd >> agree), if you have the resources/time... we could look at it as a project. >> Talklets and V Browser offer fairly unique add-on services. They can both be >> bespoke tailored to work around the shortcomings of a given legacy system. >> >> Best, >> Phil >> -- >> Phil Teare, >> CTO & Chief Architect, >> http://www.talklets.com from Textic Ltd. >> (44) [0] 208 4452871 >> >> > > > > -- -- -- -- Lisa Marie Fiedor Web Accessibility, Usability, & Design Specialist DELTA Instructional Support Services Campus Box 7111, NC State University, Raleigh NC 27695-7111 Rm 2133 DH Hill Library, East Wing v 919-513-4616 f 919-513-4005 lisa_fiedor@ncsu.edu _______________________________________________ To manage your subscription, visit http://list.webaim.org/ Address list messages to webaim-forum@list.webaim.org -- Phil Teare, CTO & Chief Architect, http://www.talklets.com from Textic Ltd. (44) [0] 208 4452871