From ron at ahead.org Sun Feb 1 05:24:07 2009 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Your input Message-ID: <004e01c98470$5cf910c0$16eb3240$@org> Good morning all, I need your feedback on something. We have been approached by a company that would like to establish a scholarship fund for students with ATHEN. I know some of you where working on this topic and if anyone thinks this is not a good idea. Also if you where working on the scholarship committee could you contact me off list so we can get that project going again. 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Name: EconomicRecoveryChart.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 27862 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nettiet at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 08:18:51 2009 From: nettiet at gmail.com (Nettie Fischer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader Survey In-Reply-To: <00ca01c98542$98539500$c8fabf00$@org> References: <00ca01c98542$98539500$c8fabf00$@org> Message-ID: Hi Ron, I tried to navigate to the site but received no site available; is there an error in the address? Please and thanks, Nettie On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:29 AM, Ron Stewart wrote: > Some may be interested in this info. > > > > http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey/ > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************* > > Ron Stewart MS > > Technology Advisor > > Association on Higher Education and Disabilities > > Chair AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group > > > > 8300 West Weller St > > Yorktown, IN 47396 > > Mobile: 609 213-2190 > > Fax: 765 405-1484 > > > > ron@ahead.org > > http://www.ahead.org > > *Remember you are making a difference in someone's life** **and you never > know how your time** **and efforts will be passed forward. ** **That is > something to look forward to in the morning!* > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Mon Feb 2 08:37:14 2009 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader Survey In-Reply-To: References: <00ca01c98542$98539500$c8fabf00$@org> Message-ID: <014e01c98554$8139b680$83ad2380$@org> No, It just worked for me from your email. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Nettie Fischer Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:19 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader Survey Hi Ron, I tried to navigate to the site but received no site available; is there an error in the address? Please and thanks, Nettie On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:29 AM, Ron Stewart wrote: Some may be interested in this info. http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey/ Ron ************************************************************************* Ron Stewart MS Technology Advisor Association on Higher Education and Disabilities Chair AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@ahead.org http://www.ahead.org Remember you are making a difference in someone's life and you never know how your time and efforts will be passed forward. That is something to look forward to in the morning! _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Mon Feb 2 09:03:44 2009 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] IT Accessibility Group In-Reply-To: <20090123094112.BON35744@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> References: <05a501c97d6d$f7367ba0$e5a372e0$@org> <20090123094112.BON35744@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: <016601c98558$34d1c9f0$9e755dd0$@org> Thanks John, sorry we did not get a chance to discuss this at ATIA. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Jon Gunderson Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:41 AM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] IT Accessibility Group I might be interested, at Illinois we are already have number of working groups related to IT accessibility we lead and support. So it would be great to move them into the ATHEN domain to try to improve participation and impact of these projects. http://collaborate.cita.uiuc.edu/ Jon ---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:19:20 -0500 >From: "Ron Stewart" >Subject: [Athen] IT Accessibility Group >To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'" > > Good morning everyone, we are needing someone to > take over Chair of the IT accessibility group. This > is the members who did the work on the iTunes U > accessibility project and its current Chair Joe > Humbert is needing to step down. It would be great > if someone who has been involved in this work would > be willing to step up but is not necessary. > > > > Ron > > > > ************************************************************************* > > Ron Stewart MS > > Technology Advisor > > Association on Higher Education and Disabilities > > Chair AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group > > > > 8300 West Weller St > > Yorktown, IN 47396 > > Mobile: 609 213-2190 > > Fax: 765 405-1484 > > > > ron@ahead.org > > http://www.ahead.org > > Remember you are making a difference in someone's > life and you never know how your time and efforts > will be passed forward. That is something to look > forward to in the morning! > > >________________ >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. Coordinator Information Technology Accessibility Disability Resources and Educational Services Rehabilitation Education Center Room 86 1207 S. Oak Street Champaign, Illinois 61821 Voice: (217) 244-5870 WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/ WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From nettiet at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 09:07:36 2009 From: nettiet at gmail.com (Nettie Fischer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader Survey In-Reply-To: <014e01c98554$8139b680$83ad2380$@org> References: <00ca01c98542$98539500$c8fabf00$@org> <014e01c98554$8139b680$83ad2380$@org> Message-ID: Thanks Ron - third times the charm [?] Very interesting article - Nettie On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Ron Stewart wrote: > No, It just worked for me from your email. > > > > Ron > > > > *From:* athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] *On > Behalf Of *Nettie Fischer > *Sent:* Monday, February 02, 2009 11:19 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Screen Reader Survey > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > I tried to navigate to the site but received no site available; is there an > error in the address? Please and thanks, > > Nettie > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:29 AM, Ron Stewart wrote: > > Some may be interested in this info. > > > > http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey/ > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************* > > Ron Stewart MS > > Technology Advisor > > Association on Higher Education and Disabilities > > Chair AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group > > > > 8300 West Weller St > > Yorktown, IN 47396 > > Mobile: 609 213-2190 > > Fax: 765 405-1484 > > > > ron@ahead.org > > http://www.ahead.org > > *Remember you are making a difference in someone's life and you never know > how your time and efforts will be passed forward. That is something to look > forward to in the morning!* > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > -- > Nettie T. Fischer, ATP > Assistive Technology Practitioner > nettiet, ATP Consultants > www.nettietatpconsultants.com > [916] 704-1456 > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 332.gif Type: image/gif Size: 103 bytes Desc: not available URL: From norm.coombs at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 10:36:57 2009 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Question re Mac and voice recognition Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20090202103441.0238e078@pop.gmail.com> I have an acquaintance whose wife recently became blind. They have a recent Mac computer. I told him he should check as it will have screen reader technology that came with it. However, the real question relates to the fact that his wife has no touch typing and hopes to use voice recognition. What voice recognition programs are available for the Mac and which one might be the best? Norm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com CEO EASI Equal Access to Software and Information phone (949) 855-4852 (NOTE pacific time zone) ****READ ABOUT THE DICK BANKS MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP: http://easi.cc/scholarship.htm From info at karlencommunications.com Mon Feb 2 11:40:44 2009 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Question re Mac and voice recognition In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20090202103441.0238e078@pop.gmail.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20090202103441.0238e078@pop.gmail.com> Message-ID: <002701c9856e$23f49ca0$6bddd5e0$@com> Norm: In terms of using VoiceOver as the Mac screen reader, there are some limits you need to know about. First, there are some of the settings and dialogs on the Leopard OS that won't be read or won't be completely read to you/end-user. Second, there are no "robust" office suites like there are in the Windows environment. Open Office latest version will let you use their word processor and some of the spreadsheet application with VoiceOver but Microsoft Office for Mac and iWorks are not accessible. First character navigation will only work on some of the file and icon items in drives and folders. Although VoiceOver will work with Safari, there are web sites that are not designed to be accessible when using a Mac. These might include banking and government sites. A friend of mine found this to be true even for those not using adaptive technology on a Mac. The mail program on the Mac seems pretty accessible and some web sites are usable but if you want to do anything productive in terms of business or academic writing, you will need Windows and a Windows Screen reader plus Microsoft Office. I have a MacBook Air and am very limited in terms of what I can do and what I can access related to word processing/document formatting, spreadsheet and presentation applications. I don't know of any accessible presentation software for the Mac. For voice recognition there is MacSpeech http://www.macspeech.com/ and You Tube has a video on how to use it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbjG3gQxv-8 as well as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX1sS6lsQrc Of course Dragon NaturallySpeaking for Mac http://www.nuance.com/naturallyspeaking/products/macintosh.asp There is iListen: http://hubpages.com/hub/ilisten I haven't used any voice recognition with my Mac yet and don't know how it would integrate with VoiceOver. Let me know if you have any other questions. Cheers, Karen -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:37 PM To: athen-athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Question re Mac and voice recognition I have an acquaintance whose wife recently became blind. They have a recent Mac computer. I told him he should check as it will have screen reader technology that came with it. However, the real question relates to the fact that his wife has no touch typing and hopes to use voice recognition. What voice recognition programs are available for the Mac and which one might be the best? Norm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com CEO EASI Equal Access to Software and Information phone (949) 855-4852 (NOTE pacific time zone) ****READ ABOUT THE DICK BANKS MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP: http://easi.cc/scholarship.htm _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From nettiet at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 12:02:33 2009 From: nettiet at gmail.com (Nettie Fischer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Question re Mac and voice recognition In-Reply-To: <002701c9856e$23f49ca0$6bddd5e0$@com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20090202103441.0238e078@pop.gmail.com> <002701c9856e$23f49ca0$6bddd5e0$@com> Message-ID: Thank you very much, the links you provided have been very helpful. Gee, I think I fell asleep at the wheel on this one since I was totally unaware of the release. Regards, Nettie On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > Norm: > > In terms of using VoiceOver as the Mac screen reader, there are some limits > you need to know about. First, there are some of the settings and dialogs > on > the Leopard OS that won't be read or won't be completely read to > you/end-user. Second, there are no "robust" office suites like there are in > the Windows environment. Open Office latest version will let you use their > word processor and some of the spreadsheet application with VoiceOver but > Microsoft Office for Mac and iWorks are not accessible. First character > navigation will only work on some of the file and icon items in drives and > folders. Although VoiceOver will work with Safari, there are web sites that > are not designed to be accessible when using a Mac. These might include > banking and government sites. A friend of mine found this to be true even > for those not using adaptive technology on a Mac. > > The mail program on the Mac seems pretty accessible and some web sites are > usable but if you want to do anything productive in terms of business or > academic writing, you will need Windows and a Windows Screen reader plus > Microsoft Office. > > I have a MacBook Air and am very limited in terms of what I can do and what > I can access related to word processing/document formatting, spreadsheet > and > presentation applications. I don't know of any accessible presentation > software for the Mac. > > For voice recognition there is MacSpeech http://www.macspeech.com/ and You > Tube has a video on how to use it > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbjG3gQxv-8 > as well as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX1sS6lsQrc > > Of course Dragon NaturallySpeaking for Mac > http://www.nuance.com/naturallyspeaking/products/macintosh.asp > > There is iListen: http://hubpages.com/hub/ilisten > > I haven't used any voice recognition with my Mac yet and don't know how it > would integrate with VoiceOver. > > Let me know if you have any other questions. > > Cheers, Karen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:37 PM > To: athen-athenpro.org > Subject: [Athen] Question re Mac and voice recognition > > I have an acquaintance whose wife recently became blind. They have a > recent Mac computer. I told him he should check as it will have screen > reader technology that came with it. > > However, the real question relates to the fact that his wife has no touch > typing and hopes to use voice recognition. What voice recognition programs > are available for the Mac and which one might be the best? > > Norm > > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com > CEO EASI Equal Access to Software and Information > phone (949) 855-4852 (NOTE pacific time zone) > ****READ ABOUT THE DICK BANKS MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP: > http://easi.cc/scholarship.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mpethel at uga.edu Mon Feb 2 12:29:42 2009 From: mpethel at uga.edu (Melinda J Pethel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Mac computers and accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Norm, May I suggest investigating a group at www.Macvisionaries.com . This group is very active and is dedicated to assisting visually impaired users utilize Macs to their fullest. They just moved to a Google group this week and are still working on the archives. (I have also heard that this week, newegg.com is placing MacSpeech on sale) +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." Harry Truman Melinda J. Pethel, M.Ed. Assistive Computer Technology Specialist Alternative Media Access Center - USG University of Georgia 272 W. Hancock Ave., Ste. 200 Athens, GA 30602-5151 (706) 369-5677 voice -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of athen-request@athenpro.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:00 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Question re Mac and voice recognition (Prof Norm Coombs) 2. Re: Question re Mac and voice recognition (Karlen Communications) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:36:57 -0800 From: Prof Norm Coombs Subject: [Athen] Question re Mac and voice recognition To: "athen-athenpro.org" Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20090202103441.0238e078@pop.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have an acquaintance whose wife recently became blind. They have a recent Mac computer. I told him he should check as it will have screen reader technology that came with it. However, the real question relates to the fact that his wife has no touch typing and hopes to use voice recognition. What voice recognition programs are available for the Mac and which one might be the best? Norm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com CEO EASI Equal Access to Software and Information phone (949) 855-4852 (NOTE pacific time zone) ****READ ABOUT THE DICK BANKS MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP: http://easi.cc/scholarship.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:40:44 -0500 From: "Karlen Communications" Subject: Re: [Athen] Question re Mac and voice recognition To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <002701c9856e$23f49ca0$6bddd5e0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Norm: In terms of using VoiceOver as the Mac screen reader, there are some limits you need to know about. First, there are some of the settings and dialogs on the Leopard OS that won't be read or won't be completely read to you/end-user. Second, there are no "robust" office suites like there are in the Windows environment. Open Office latest version will let you use their word processor and some of the spreadsheet application with VoiceOver but Microsoft Office for Mac and iWorks are not accessible. First character navigation will only work on some of the file and icon items in drives and folders. Although VoiceOver will work with Safari, there are web sites that are not designed to be accessible when using a Mac. These might include banking and government sites. A friend of mine found this to be true even for those not using adaptive technology on a Mac. The mail program on the Mac seems pretty accessible and some web sites are usable but if you want to do anything productive in terms of business or academic writing, you will need Windows and a Windows Screen reader plus Microsoft Office. I have a MacBook Air and am very limited in terms of what I can do and what I can access related to word processing/document formatting, spreadsheet and presentation applications. I don't know of any accessible presentation software for the Mac. For voice recognition there is MacSpeech http://www.macspeech.com/ and You Tube has a video on how to use it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbjG3gQxv-8 as well as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX1sS6lsQrc Of course Dragon NaturallySpeaking for Mac http://www.nuance.com/naturallyspeaking/products/macintosh.asp There is iListen: http://hubpages.com/hub/ilisten I haven't used any voice recognition with my Mac yet and don't know how it would integrate with VoiceOver. Let me know if you have any other questions. Cheers, Karen -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:37 PM To: athen-athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Question re Mac and voice recognition I have an acquaintance whose wife recently became blind. They have a recent Mac computer. I told him he should check as it will have screen reader technology that came with it. However, the real question relates to the fact that his wife has no touch typing and hopes to use voice recognition. What voice recognition programs are available for the Mac and which one might be the best? Norm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com CEO EASI Equal Access to Software and Information phone (949) 855-4852 (NOTE pacific time zone) ****READ ABOUT THE DICK BANKS MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP: http://easi.cc/scholarship.htm _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 ************************************ From mhall5128 at comcast.net Mon Feb 2 12:42:12 2009 From: mhall5128 at comcast.net (Mark Hall) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53AEF009C39F4BD6B3D0D022C10A75CD@mhusa> I just tried the latest MacSpeech at ATIA - and I was quite impressed. Definitely worth the price. -Mark -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of athen-request@athenpro.org Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:00 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Question re Mac and voice recognition (Prof Norm Coombs) 2. Re: Question re Mac and voice recognition (Karlen Communications) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:36:57 -0800 From: Prof Norm Coombs Subject: [Athen] Question re Mac and voice recognition To: "athen-athenpro.org" Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20090202103441.0238e078@pop.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have an acquaintance whose wife recently became blind. They have a recent Mac computer. I told him he should check as it will have screen reader technology that came with it. However, the real question relates to the fact that his wife has no touch typing and hopes to use voice recognition. What voice recognition programs are available for the Mac and which one might be the best? Norm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com CEO EASI Equal Access to Software and Information phone (949) 855-4852 (NOTE pacific time zone) ****READ ABOUT THE DICK BANKS MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP: http://easi.cc/scholarship.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:40:44 -0500 From: "Karlen Communications" Subject: Re: [Athen] Question re Mac and voice recognition To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <002701c9856e$23f49ca0$6bddd5e0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Norm: In terms of using VoiceOver as the Mac screen reader, there are some limits you need to know about. First, there are some of the settings and dialogs on the Leopard OS that won't be read or won't be completely read to you/end-user. Second, there are no "robust" office suites like there are in the Windows environment. Open Office latest version will let you use their word processor and some of the spreadsheet application with VoiceOver but Microsoft Office for Mac and iWorks are not accessible. First character navigation will only work on some of the file and icon items in drives and folders. Although VoiceOver will work with Safari, there are web sites that are not designed to be accessible when using a Mac. These might include banking and government sites. A friend of mine found this to be true even for those not using adaptive technology on a Mac. The mail program on the Mac seems pretty accessible and some web sites are usable but if you want to do anything productive in terms of business or academic writing, you will need Windows and a Windows Screen reader plus Microsoft Office. I have a MacBook Air and am very limited in terms of what I can do and what I can access related to word processing/document formatting, spreadsheet and presentation applications. I don't know of any accessible presentation software for the Mac. For voice recognition there is MacSpeech http://www.macspeech.com/ and You Tube has a video on how to use it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbjG3gQxv-8 as well as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX1sS6lsQrc Of course Dragon NaturallySpeaking for Mac http://www.nuance.com/naturallyspeaking/products/macintosh.asp There is iListen: http://hubpages.com/hub/ilisten I haven't used any voice recognition with my Mac yet and don't know how it would integrate with VoiceOver. Let me know if you have any other questions. Cheers, Karen -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:37 PM To: athen-athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Question re Mac and voice recognition I have an acquaintance whose wife recently became blind. They have a recent Mac computer. I told him he should check as it will have screen reader technology that came with it. However, the real question relates to the fact that his wife has no touch typing and hopes to use voice recognition. What voice recognition programs are available for the Mac and which one might be the best? Norm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com CEO EASI Equal Access to Software and Information phone (949) 855-4852 (NOTE pacific time zone) ****READ ABOUT THE DICK BANKS MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP: http://easi.cc/scholarship.htm _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 37, Issue 4 ************************************ From ron at ahead.org Tue Feb 3 08:14:59 2009 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] FYI Message-ID: <02d401c9861a$903b5910$b0b20b30$@org> Some may be interested in duplicating this really cool project at their institutions. http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/2009/feb/03/closing-tech-gaps-open-sourc e-fixes/ Ron ************************************************************************* Ron Stewart MS Technology Advisor Association on Higher Education and Disabilities Chair AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@ahead.org http://www.ahead.org Remember you are making a difference in someone's life and you never know how your time and efforts will be passed forward. 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URL: From jongund at illinois.edu Tue Feb 3 09:38:22 2009 From: jongund at illinois.edu (Jon Gunderson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Angel LMS In-Reply-To: <9D2C575D42912646B5CC84E4F33C7571A9B4C4@EXCHANGEVS-03.ad.wsu.edu> References: <9D2C575D42912646B5CC84E4F33C7571A9B4C4@EXCHANGEVS-03.ad.wsu.edu> Message-ID: <20090203113822.BOW45494@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> Angel was one of the systems that passed the California State University system accessibility evaluation. I believe only Moodle and Angel passed, although other companies are making substantial progress on accessibility since that initial test 18 months ago. Jon ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 08:40:22 -0800 >From: "Balen, Tim" >Subject: [Athen] Angel LMS >To: > > Just poking around to see if anybody has experience > (positive/ negative) with Angel LMS regarding > accessibility and general ease of use? Our campus > is considering making a switch from BB, and I (as > well as many others on our campus) am unfamiliar > with the product. > > > > Thanks > > > > Tim Balen > > > > Disability Specialist/ Assistive Technology > Coordinator > > Washington State University > > Disability Resource Center > > 509-335-7904 > > www.drc.wsu.edu > > >________________ >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. Coordinator Information Technology Accessibility Disability Resources and Educational Services Rehabilitation Education Center Room 86 1207 S. Oak Street Champaign, Illinois 61821 Voice: (217) 244-5870 WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/ WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/ From trerise at cayuga-cc.edu Tue Feb 3 09:42:00 2009 From: trerise at cayuga-cc.edu (Sharon Trerise) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Angel LMS In-Reply-To: <9D2C575D42912646B5CC84E4F33C7571A9B4C4@EXCHANGEVS-03.ad.wsu.edu> References: <9D2C575D42912646B5CC84E4F33C7571A9B4C4@EXCHANGEVS-03.ad.wsu.edu> Message-ID: <3267F8C54E50F4409A01B84791B9A9010BF8BD6AAC@MENTZ.ccc.lan> I had always heard that Angel was one of the more accessible LMSs, but now that I have a student trying to use it with JAWS, I'm not terribly supportive of that reputation. It uses frames which is OK as long as the student understands now to navigate frames. However not all the frames have names that are very intuitive. Likewise with some of the other features, the text descriptors are not very intuitive. We have not been able to figure out how to efficiently and effectively navigate the Discussion feature so the student is currently not participating in discussions (has worked an arrangement with the professor to email her responses to the discussion questions to him). If it comes right down to it, I haven't found it to be in violation of accessibility standards, but from an accessible / usability standpoint, I don't give it a high rating. Sharon Sharon Trerise Coordinator of Disability Services Cayuga Community College 197 Franklin St. Auburn, NY 13021 315-294-8606 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Balen, Tim Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 11:40 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Angel LMS Just poking around to see if anybody has experience (positive/ negative) with Angel LMS regarding accessibility and general ease of use? Our campus is considering making a switch from BB, and I (as well as many others on our campus) am unfamiliar with the product. Thanks Tim Balen Disability Specialist/ Assistive Technology Coordinator Washington State University Disability Resource Center 509-335-7904 www.drc.wsu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Catherine.Stager-kilcommons at Colorado.EDU Tue Feb 3 13:11:58 2009 From: Catherine.Stager-kilcommons at Colorado.EDU (Catherine M. Stager Kilcommons) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fast ForWord and Posit Science Message-ID: Hi all, Does anyone have experience with Fast ForWord and Posit Science? I had a parent of student with ADD ask me about these programs and whether they would help her child. Any input? Thanks, Cath ---- Cath Stager-Kilcommons Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator Disability Services 332 Willard Administration Bldg. 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Develop individualized goals and objectives based on student needs and track student progress relative to goals and objectives. 3. Teach classes using appropriate curricula geared towards students' individual learning styles and abilities. 4. Assist and collaborate with staff on developing class/individual curricula. 5. Develop creative teaching techniques to promote learning. 6. Maintain clear and detailed student records daily; submit student progress reports on a timely basis; complete other administrative tasks as required. 7. Remain current on new and developing technologies and innovating teaching techniques. 8. Participate in community awareness and outreach programs, including conducting workshops and seminars, participating in health fairs and other industry fairs, conducting in-service training sessions, and teaching group classes. 9. Perform data entry on Center's Online Data Management System (ODM). 10. Perform other duties as requested. 11. Participate in the Quality Assurance and accreditation/certification processes for the agency. 12. Attend staff meetings and training sessions. 13. Fulfill duties related to Health & Safety Program as member of the Health & Safety Committee. . Maintain a safe work environment. . Participate in all scheduled Health & Safety meetings. QUALIFICATIONS, ABILITIES & PHYSICAL REQUIREMENTS EDUCATION / CERTIFICATIONS . Bachelor's Degree in Computer Science preferred, or commensurate experience . Knowledge of current principles of instruction in adaptive technology and the education of adults with visual impairments . Access Technology Institute certification or similar . Proficiency in the following adaptive/assistive technology: Jaws, Magic, OpenBook, WindowEyes, and ZoomText (levels 1 and 2); ability to work with tutorials . The following equipment, hardware, and software: PCs, scanners, printers, CCTVs, Windows Operating Systems 98, ME, 2000, and XP, Microsoft Office Suite, Outlook and Express, and Internet Explorer . MicroSoft Certified EXPERIENCE . Two years' experience providing instruction in computers . Experience providing instruction in adaptive/assistive technology preferred . Experience teaching the blind and visually impaired . Experience working with people with multiple disabilities preferred PHYSICAL REQUIREMENTS . Ability to lift 30 lbs; lift overhead up to 20 lbs . Sit up to eight hours a day . Stand up to four hours a day . Must be able to reach over own head and stoop to retrieve items from ground level SPECIAL NOTATIONS OR CONDITIONS OF EMPLOYMENT . Finger printing, criminal- and job-related background check required . Current certification is required for First AID and CPR Please email your resume to victoria_estrada@lbcenter.org. We will contact all qualified applicants. Interviews will generally be scheduled at 10 a.m. or 2 p.m., so once we have contacted you, please be prepared to interview at those times. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmhaven at stanford.edu Tue Feb 3 13:47:56 2009 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Question re Mac and voice recognition In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.3.0.2.20090202103441.0238e078@pop.gmail.com> <002701c9856e$23f49ca0$6bddd5e0$@com> Message-ID: Hi! Some clarification for everyone re: speech recognition for the Mac. There is actually only one product: Dictate, which is made by the company MacSpeech. MacSpeech had a previous product called iListen which, while it worked, had some issues in terms of user interface and features. As I understand it, iListen was based on the Philips speech recognition engine. In early 2008 (at the Macworld Expo), MacSpeech announced their new product, Dictate, which is based on the same speech recognition engine used by Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Dictate was actually released in April 2008 and replaces iListen. Although it uses the Dragon speech engine and apparently was developed with some collaboration from Nuance (makers of Dragon for Windows), it is definitely NOT Dragon NaturallySpeaking for the Mac. The user interface is entirely different, it does not have many of the features of Dragon, and up until the version 1.2 update released last fall, it didn't even have a means of correcting misrecognition. Please see MacSpeech press releases at the following links: http://www.macspeech.com/article_info.php?articles_id=289 http://www.macspeech.com/article_info.php?articles_id=288 That said, it is still a valuable product and very accurate -- and if you have a Mac, pretty much the only game in town. Hope this helps. - Shelley Haven At 12:02 PM -0800 2/2/09, Nettie Fischer wrote: >Thank you very much, the links you provided have been very helpful. >Gee, I think I fell asleep at the wheel on this one since I was >totally unaware of the release. > >Regards, >Nettie > >On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Karlen Communications ><info@karlencommunications.com> >wrote: > >Norm: > >In terms of using VoiceOver as the Mac screen reader, there are some limits >you need to know about. First, there are some of the settings and dialogs on >the Leopard OS that won't be read or won't be completely read to >you/end-user. Second, there are no "robust" office suites like there are in >the Windows environment. Open Office latest version will let you use their >word processor and some of the spreadsheet application with VoiceOver but >Microsoft Office for Mac and iWorks are not accessible. First character >navigation will only work on some of the file and icon items in drives and >folders. Although VoiceOver will work with Safari, there are web sites that >are not designed to be accessible when using a Mac. These might include >banking and government sites. A friend of mine found this to be true even >for those not using adaptive technology on a Mac. > >The mail program on the Mac seems pretty accessible and some web sites are >usable but if you want to do anything productive in terms of business or >academic writing, you will need Windows and a Windows Screen reader plus >Microsoft Office. > >I have a MacBook Air and am very limited in terms of what I can do and what >I can access related to word processing/document formatting, spreadsheet and >presentation applications. I don't know of any accessible presentation >software for the Mac. > >For voice recognition there is MacSpeech >http://www.macspeech.com/ and You >Tube has a video on how to use it >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbjG3gQxv-8 >as well as >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX1sS6lsQrc > >Of course Dragon NaturallySpeaking for Mac >http://www.nuance.com/naturallyspeaking/products/macintosh.asp > >There is iListen: >http://hubpages.com/hub/ilisten > >I haven't used any voice recognition with my Mac yet and don't know how it >would integrate with VoiceOver. > >Let me know if you have any other questions. > >Cheers, Karen > > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org >[mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] >On >Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs >Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 1:37 PM >To: athen-athenpro.org >Subject: [Athen] Question re Mac and voice recognition > >I have an acquaintance whose wife recently became blind. They have a >recent Mac computer. I told him he should check as it will have screen >reader technology that came with it. > >However, the real question relates to the fact that his wife has no touch >typing and hopes to use voice recognition. What voice recognition programs >are available for the Mac and which one might be the best? > >Norm > > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com >CEO EASI Equal Access to Software and Information >phone (949) 855-4852 (NOTE pacific time zone) >****READ ABOUT THE DICK BANKS MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP: >http://easi.cc/scholarship.htm > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > >-- >Nettie T. Fischer, ATP >Assistive Technology Practitioner >nettiet, ATP Consultants >www.nettietatpconsultants.com >[916] 704-1456 > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikegibson at boisestate.edu Tue Feb 3 14:59:37 2009 From: mikegibson at boisestate.edu (Mike Gibson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Seeking info on Touch Tablets Message-ID: <498869EA020000B600038072@hermes.boisestate.edu> Hi Everyone, I am working with a student this semester who has issues using a conventional mouse do to Carpal Tunnel and Fibromyalgia. She is enrolled in a photography class this term which requires students to use photo editing software. She is having problems with the fine mouse movements to properly edit the photos and other related activities. I have been reading about touch tablets and their use for drawing, painting, and handwriting on a PC. Has anyone had experience using these devices as a mouse alternative? If so what challenges were their? Also any information on brands would be helpful as well. Thank you in advance. Mike Gibson Assistive Technology Coordinator Boise State University 1910 University Dr. Boise, ID 83725-1375 Phone: (208) 426-1583 Fax: (208) 426-3785 Email: mikegibson@boisestate.edu From nettiet at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 15:20:58 2009 From: nettiet at gmail.com (Nettie Fischer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Seeking info on Touch Tablets In-Reply-To: <498869EA020000B600038072@hermes.boisestate.edu> References: <498869EA020000B600038072@hermes.boisestate.edu> Message-ID: Hi Mike, Prior to my career as an ATP, I was a photographer and I worked with PhotoShop and some other less vigorous photo software programs. One thing that I experienced was the need to perform some fine detailing actions which is touchey with a mouse without user issues- how many times when I was so close and needed to back step because my mouse action 'messed up' As an ATP, I am now on my second touch tablet computer, the fujitsu 3400 was my first and the HP Pavillion is my newer system. They are functional as mouse alternative for many things but I am not sure how they will address the need for the detailed actions required for photo software. When you use a stylus -the fujitsu required the stylus and/or a fingernail- to mimica the mouse activation/actions. The HP is more responsive to the fingertip (great for AAC software/mouse emulation) and does not require a stylus for basic mouse options; the stylus is avialable and useful for writing and other more detailed computer tasks. My concern would be related to the girls ability to hold the stylus without touching another part of the screen with an arm or shirt sleeve, etc. - which would move the cursor to the contact site. This might require that she hold her arm above the screen with the possible need of an arm support to address fatigue, etc. Prior to purchasing my tablet, , I was able to play with it at the store (Fry's, Best Buy - most stores have tablets on display). She can explore using the stylus and her fingernail and see if she has the fine motor skills as well as the ability to hold her arm in a positon above/away from possible contact areas on the screen. Also, if she is receiving OT services, check to see if the actions required might cause negative reactions - and maybe even more fatigue. Hope this helps a little. Regards, Nettie Fischer, ATP On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Mike Gibson wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I am working with a student this semester who has issues using a > conventional mouse do to Carpal Tunnel and Fibromyalgia. She is > enrolled in a photography class this term which requires students to > use photo editing software. She is having problems with the fine mouse > movements to properly edit the photos and other related activities. > > I have been reading about touch tablets and their use for drawing, > painting, and handwriting on a PC. Has anyone had experience using > these devices as a mouse alternative? If so what challenges were their? > Also any information on brands would be helpful as well. > > Thank you in advance. > > > > Mike Gibson > Assistive Technology Coordinator > Boise State University > 1910 University Dr. > Boise, ID 83725-1375 > Phone: (208) 426-1583 > Fax: (208) 426-3785 > Email: mikegibson@boisestate.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One thing that I experienced was the need to perform some fine detailing actions which is touchey with a mouse without user issues- how many times when I was so close and needed to back step because my mouse action 'messed up' As an ATP, I am now on my second touch tablet computer, the fujitsu 3400 was my first and the HP Pavillion is my newer system. They are functional as mouse alternative for many things but I am not sure how they will address the need for the detailed actions required for photo software. When you use a stylus -the fujitsu required the stylus and/or a fingernail- to mimica the mouse activation/actions. The HP is more responsive to the fingertip (great for AAC software/mouse emulation) and does not require a stylus for basic mouse options; the stylus is avialable and useful for writing and other more detailed computer tasks. My concern would be related to the girls ability to hold the stylus without touching another part of the screen with an arm or shirt sleeve, etc. - which would move the cursor to the contact site. This might require that she hold her arm above the screen with the possible need of an arm support to address fatigue, etc. Prior to purchasing my tablet, , I was able to play with it at the store (Fry's, Best Buy - most stores have tablets on display). She can explore using the stylus and her fingernail and see if she has the fine motor skills as well as the ability to hold her arm in a positon above/away from possible contact areas on the screen. Also, if she is receiving OT services, check to see if the actions required might cause negative reactions - and maybe even more fatigue. Hope this helps a little. Regards, Nettie Fischer, ATP On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Mike Gibson wrote: Hi Everyone, I am working with a student this semester who has issues using a conventional mouse do to Carpal Tunnel and Fibromyalgia. She is enrolled in a photography class this term which requires students to use photo editing software. She is having problems with the fine mouse movements to properly edit the photos and other related activities. I have been reading about touch tablets and their use for drawing, painting, and handwriting on a PC. Has anyone had experience using these devices as a mouse alternative? If so what challenges were their? Also any information on brands would be helpful as well. Thank you in advance. Mike Gibson Assistive Technology Coordinator Boise State University 1910 University Dr. Boise, ID 83725-1375 Phone: (208) 426-1583 Fax: (208) 426-3785 Email: mikegibson@boisestate.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmhaven at stanford.edu Tue Feb 3 16:51:58 2009 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Seeking info on Touch Tablets In-Reply-To: References: <498869EA020000B600038072@hermes.boisestate.edu> Message-ID: A couple of other points to add to Nettie's comments: - Some tablet computer screens (such as on the ThinkPad X61 and apparently the Fujitsu and HP Nettie's using) are able to respond to both a stylus and a fingernail; others will only respond to a stylus, which would eliminate the problem with something else touching the screen. I also seem to recall that there's a way (at least on my ThinkPad) to "turn off" the finger/fingernail detection and only respond to a stylus. - For precision cursor movement in drawing programs or image editing software, I usually just rely on using Mouse Keys, which gives me single-pixel movement control of the cursor via the keyboard. With Mouse Keys on, click the number keypad zero key to click and hold the mouse button, then use the keys surrounding the 5 key to move the cursor (and whatever it's dragging) in the appropriate direction. Clicking the 5 or zero key releases the mouse button. (Find Mouse Keys in the Accessibility control panel in Windows; Universal Access preferences on a Mac.) Hope this helps. - Shelley Haven At 3:20 PM -0800 2/3/09, Nettie Fischer wrote: >Hi Mike, > >Prior to my career as an ATP, I was a photographer and I worked with >PhotoShop and some other less vigorous photo software programs. One >thing that I experienced was the need to perform some fine detailing >actions which is touchey with a mouse without user issues- how many >times when I was so close and needed to back step because my mouse >action 'messed up' > >As an ATP, I am now on my second touch tablet computer, the fujitsu >3400 was my first and the HP Pavillion is my newer system. They are >functional as mouse alternative for many things but I am not sure >how they will address the need for the detailed actions required for >photo software. When you use a stylus -the fujitsu required the >stylus and/or a fingernail- to mimica the mouse activation/actions. >The HP is more responsive to the fingertip (great for AAC >software/mouse emulation) and does not require a stylus for basic >mouse options; the stylus is avialable and useful for writing and >other more detailed computer tasks. > >My concern would be related to the girls ability to hold the stylus >without touching another part of the screen with an arm or shirt >sleeve, etc. - which would move the cursor to the contact site. >This might require that she hold her arm above the screen with the >possible need of an arm support to address fatigue, etc. > >Prior to purchasing my tablet, , I was able to play with it at the >store (Fry's, Best Buy - most stores have tablets on display). She >can explore using the stylus and her fingernail and see if she has >the fine motor skills as well as the ability to hold her arm in a >positon above/away from possible contact areas on the screen. > >Also, if she is receiving OT services, check to see if the actions >required might cause negative reactions - and maybe even more >fatigue. > >Hope this helps a little. > >Regards, >Nettie Fischer, ATP > > > > > >On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Mike Gibson ><mikegibson@boisestate.edu> wrote: > >Hi Everyone, > >I am working with a student this semester who has issues using a >conventional mouse do to Carpal Tunnel and Fibromyalgia. She is >enrolled in a photography class this term which requires students to >use photo editing software. She is having problems with the fine mouse >movements to properly edit the photos and other related activities. > >I have been reading about touch tablets and their use for drawing, >painting, and handwriting on a PC. Has anyone had experience using >these devices as a mouse alternative? If so what challenges were their? >Also any information on brands would be helpful as well. > >Thank you in advance. > > > >Mike Gibson >Assistive Technology Coordinator >Boise State University >1910 University Dr. >Boise, ID 83725-1375 >Phone: (208) 426-1583 >Fax: (208) 426-3785 >Email: mikegibson@boisestate.edu > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > >-- >Nettie T. Fischer, ATP >Assistive Technology Practitioner >nettiet, ATP Consultants >www.nettietatpconsultants.com >[916] 704-1456 > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nettiet at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 17:04:32 2009 From: nettiet at gmail.com (Nettie Fischer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Seeking info on Touch Tablets In-Reply-To: <040b01c9865f$751d4f40$5f57edc0$@org> References: <498869EA020000B600038072@hermes.boisestate.edu> <040b01c9865f$751d4f40$5f57edc0$@org> Message-ID: Hi Ron, You are correct, it is a certification that RESNA offers. Originally they offered Assistive Technology Practitioner and Assistive Technology Supplier certification that entails courses of study and sitting for an exam. Recently they revamped the process and combined the two categories with the new title AT Professional. The goal of the certification was to guarantee that persons who were providing services in assistive technology were qualified and maintained a standard of ethical professionalism regarding assistive technology. In order to maintain your cetification, you need to submit CEU credits at the time of your renewal. If you have any specific questions, feel free to send them my way. :) Nettie Fischer, ATP RESNA certified On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Ron Stewart wrote: > Can you please explain what an ATP is? I was under the impression that > it was a certification that RESNA offers. > > > > Ron Stewart > > > > *From:* athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] *On > Behalf Of *Nettie Fischer > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:21 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Seeking info on Touch Tablets > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > Prior to my career as an ATP, I was a photographer and I worked with > PhotoShop and some other less vigorous photo software programs. One thing > that I experienced was the need to perform some fine detailing actions > which is touchey with a mouse without user issues- how many times when I was > so close and needed to back step because my mouse action 'messed > up' > > > > As an ATP, I am now on my second touch tablet computer, the fujitsu 3400 > was my first and the HP Pavillion is my newer system. They are functional > as mouse alternative for many things but I am not sure how they will address > the need for the detailed actions required for photo software. When you > use a stylus -the fujitsu required the stylus and/or a fingernail- to mimica > the mouse activation/actions. The HP is more responsive to the fingertip > (great for AAC software/mouse emulation) and does not require a stylus for > basic mouse options; the stylus is avialable and useful for writing and > other more detailed computer tasks. > > > > My concern would be related to the girls ability to hold the stylus without > touching another part of the screen with an arm or shirt sleeve, etc. - > which would move the cursor to the contact site. This might require that > she hold her arm above the screen with the possible need of an arm support > to address fatigue, etc. > > > > Prior to purchasing my tablet, , I was able to play with it at the store > (Fry's, Best Buy - most stores have tablets on display). She can explore > using the stylus and her fingernail and see if she has the fine motor skills > as well as the ability to hold her arm in a positon above/away from possible > contact areas on the screen. > > > > Also, if she is receiving OT services, check to see if the actions required > might cause negative reactions - and maybe even more fatigue. > > > > Hope this helps a little. > > > > Regards, > > Nettie Fischer, ATP > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Mike Gibson > wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I am working with a student this semester who has issues using a > conventional mouse do to Carpal Tunnel and Fibromyalgia. She is > enrolled in a photography class this term which requires students to > use photo editing software. She is having problems with the fine mouse > movements to properly edit the photos and other related activities. > > I have been reading about touch tablets and their use for drawing, > painting, and handwriting on a PC. Has anyone had experience using > these devices as a mouse alternative? If so what challenges were their? > Also any information on brands would be helpful as well. > > Thank you in advance. > > > > Mike Gibson > Assistive Technology Coordinator > Boise State University > 1910 University Dr. > Boise, ID 83725-1375 > Phone: (208) 426-1583 > Fax: (208) 426-3785 > Email: mikegibson@boisestate.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > -- > Nettie T. Fischer, ATP > Assistive Technology Practitioner > nettiet, ATP Consultants > www.nettietatpconsultants.com > [916] 704-1456 > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Tue Feb 3 17:18:23 2009 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Seeking info on Touch Tablets In-Reply-To: References: <498869EA020000B600038072@hermes.boisestate.edu> <040b01c9865f$751d4f40$5f57edc0$@org> Message-ID: <042501c98666$795416f0$6bfc44d0$@org> Thanks for the info, I have just never seen the term used in the context that you where using it as. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Nettie Fischer Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 8:05 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Seeking info on Touch Tablets Hi Ron, You are correct, it is a certification that RESNA offers. Originally they offered Assistive Technology Practitioner and Assistive Technology Supplier certification that entails courses of study and sitting for an exam. Recently they revamped the process and combined the two categories with the new title AT Professional. The goal of the certification was to guarantee that persons who were providing services in assistive technology were qualified and maintained a standard of ethical professionalism regarding assistive technology. In order to maintain your cetification, you need to submit CEU credits at the time of your renewal. If you have any specific questions, feel free to send them my way. :) Nettie Fischer, ATP RESNA certified On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Ron Stewart wrote: Can you please explain what an ATP is? I was under the impression that it was a certification that RESNA offers. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Nettie Fischer Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:21 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Seeking info on Touch Tablets Hi Mike, Prior to my career as an ATP, I was a photographer and I worked with PhotoShop and some other less vigorous photo software programs. One thing that I experienced was the need to perform some fine detailing actions which is touchey with a mouse without user issues- how many times when I was so close and needed to back step because my mouse action 'messed up' As an ATP, I am now on my second touch tablet computer, the fujitsu 3400 was my first and the HP Pavillion is my newer system. They are functional as mouse alternative for many things but I am not sure how they will address the need for the detailed actions required for photo software. When you use a stylus -the fujitsu required the stylus and/or a fingernail- to mimica the mouse activation/actions. The HP is more responsive to the fingertip (great for AAC software/mouse emulation) and does not require a stylus for basic mouse options; the stylus is avialable and useful for writing and other more detailed computer tasks. My concern would be related to the girls ability to hold the stylus without touching another part of the screen with an arm or shirt sleeve, etc. - which would move the cursor to the contact site. This might require that she hold her arm above the screen with the possible need of an arm support to address fatigue, etc. Prior to purchasing my tablet, , I was able to play with it at the store (Fry's, Best Buy - most stores have tablets on display). She can explore using the stylus and her fingernail and see if she has the fine motor skills as well as the ability to hold her arm in a positon above/away from possible contact areas on the screen. Also, if she is receiving OT services, check to see if the actions required might cause negative reactions - and maybe even more fatigue. Hope this helps a little. Regards, Nettie Fischer, ATP On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Mike Gibson wrote: Hi Everyone, I am working with a student this semester who has issues using a conventional mouse do to Carpal Tunnel and Fibromyalgia. She is enrolled in a photography class this term which requires students to use photo editing software. She is having problems with the fine mouse movements to properly edit the photos and other related activities. I have been reading about touch tablets and their use for drawing, painting, and handwriting on a PC. Has anyone had experience using these devices as a mouse alternative? If so what challenges were their? Also any information on brands would be helpful as well. Thank you in advance. Mike Gibson Assistive Technology Coordinator Boise State University 1910 University Dr. Boise, ID 83725-1375 Phone: (208) 426-1583 Fax: (208) 426-3785 Email: mikegibson@boisestate.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Wed Feb 4 03:36:18 2009 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Seeking info on Touch Tablets In-Reply-To: <498869EA020000B600038072@hermes.boisestate.edu> References: <498869EA020000B600038072@hermes.boisestate.edu> Message-ID: <004801c986bc$cbde7fe0$639b7fa0$@com> Mike: I've been using a tablet computer for about five years now and find that using the digital pen instead of a conventional mouse works better for me as someone who has a visual disability. I can just point to a spot on the screen and activate buttons, links and so forth. I use my tablet with JAWS primarily but with Windows Magnifier to do handwriting and sometimes ZoomText although you can't use the digital pen with ZoomText. I also use it with Microsoft OneNote to get screen clippings for training and tutorial material. I've worked with students who have either learning or visual disabilities or both for whom a tablet was the best note taking device. I did the assessments and training. I don't have any experience with the new touch screens so can't comment on them. With the conventional tablets you can rest your arm on the screen but you can't have any jewelry, cuff buttons or rings to scratch the surface. I find that I am more accurate in focusing in on items on the screen with the digital pen than I am with a conventional mouse. I've always had slate tablets from Motion Computing and have used an external keyboard with them when necessary. I've used the larger Motion tablet with a 12" screen and am now using the LS800 which has a screen half the size. I wouldn't recommend that one for any type of photo editing due to the screen size. http://www.motioncomputing.com Using a tablet as a tablet [if you don't use the digital pen it functions just like a laptop] is not for everyone and there have been students for whom a tablet wouldn't work. The student really needs to have one in their hands so you can see how they would work with it in order to determine if it would be useful. Physical disabilities, work habits, organizational habits, and visual disability all contribute to the usability of this tool. Specific disabilities aside, I do find the digital pen more accurate when selecting parts of the screen or parts of images to edit and it is because it is like using a pen to do this or a utility knife....I worked on a publication in the days of linotype and cut and paste content into pages. :-) I do have a web page on tablet computers and disability although again it does not deal with the new touch screens. http://www.karlencommunications.com/tablet-technology.htm Cheers, Karen -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Mike Gibson Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:00 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Seeking info on Touch Tablets Hi Everyone, I am working with a student this semester who has issues using a conventional mouse do to Carpal Tunnel and Fibromyalgia. She is enrolled in a photography class this term which requires students to use photo editing software. She is having problems with the fine mouse movements to properly edit the photos and other related activities. I have been reading about touch tablets and their use for drawing, painting, and handwriting on a PC. Has anyone had experience using these devices as a mouse alternative? If so what challenges were their? Also any information on brands would be helpful as well. Thank you in advance. Mike Gibson Assistive Technology Coordinator Boise State University 1910 University Dr. Boise, ID 83725-1375 Phone: (208) 426-1583 Fax: (208) 426-3785 Email: mikegibson@boisestate.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From burke at ucla.edu Wed Feb 4 09:18:08 2009 From: burke at ucla.edu (Patrick Burke) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] FYI In-Reply-To: <02d401c9861a$903b5910$b0b20b30$@org> References: <02d401c9861a$903b5910$b0b20b30$@org> Message-ID: <200902041717.n14HHXwi018541@mail.ucla.edu> Thanks for mentioning this Ron. I participated as one of the judges for the event, & it was fantastic. The student teams gave really good presentations of their work, a couple of them convincing me of the value of a project that I had thought wasn't very useful. It was very tough picking winners. ... The Project Possibility team did a great job organizing. A very innovative group, definitely worth watching & collaborating with. Patrick At 08:14 AM 2/3/2009, Ron Stewart wrote: >Some may be interested in duplicating this really cool project at >their institutions. > >http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/2009/feb/03/closing-tech-gaps-open-source-fixes/ > >Ron > -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke ucla. edu From rmhaven at stanford.edu Wed Feb 4 09:29:35 2009 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fast ForWord and Posit Science In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Cath! I don't have direct experience with Fast ForWord, but I have one client -- a 5th grader with athetoid CP -- who use it. His mother reports that he enjoys working with it, and that it especially helps him to pay attention to the sounds and sound differentiation of letters in words. Another client of mine who had a stroke (at a young age) uses Posit Science's Brain Fitness Program to assist with her auditory processing rehabilitation. I can't tell you too much about the program itself, but the company's customer service was very responsive in helping us swap a Windows version for their just-released Mac version last summer (even overnighted the package). Probably not the nature of input you're looking for, but at least it's all positive. :-) - Shelley ------------ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant Sunnyvale, CA 408-737-2092 At 2:11 PM -0700 2/3/09, Catherine M. Stager Kilcommons wrote: >Content-class: urn:content-classes:message >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C98644.0F2ABF55" > >Hi all, >Does anyone have experience with Fast ForWord and Posit Science? I >had a parent of student with ADD ask me about these programs and >whether they would help her child. > >Any input? >Thanks, >Cath > >---- >Cath Stager-Kilcommons >Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator >Disability Services >332 Willard Administration Bldg. >University of Colorado at Boulder >303-492-4049 >http://www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices/ > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From jfoliot at stanford.edu Wed Feb 4 10:39:08 2009 From: jfoliot at stanford.edu (John Foliot) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Captioning, Transcripts and a Teachable moment Message-ID: <030a01c986f7$dcee5220$96caf660$@edu> All, Many of you already know that I am passionate about getting transcripts and captioning added to on-line videos. I've always tried to frame the dialogue around the greater benefit captioning/transcripts provide to all users, not just those in a particular disabled community. Back before Christmas, I was approached by a web developer who was working on a project for NASA: an out-reach program geared towards students at all levels (K-4 through "higher ed") that essentially encouraged students to use NASA Videos and create "remixes". Since NASA is clearly a Section 508 respondent, the preview videos on NASA's site required captioning (Section 508 - b. Equivalent alternatives for any multimedia presentation shall be synchronized with the presentation), but the developer was curious what to do regarding the videos being offered as downloads. Somehow, she ended up IM'ing me at work and we had an interesting exchange. After a bit of discussion, I proposed that they (NASA) include numerous 'pieces' of digital data in a zip file, and some of those bits would be the time-stamped transcript and 'flat' transcript, so that the students would have those pieces of the total 'picture' to use and remix at the same time that they mixed and mashed their visual media. NASA agreed! Late last week, the site was launched - a review page can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/bmptxd . While a "How to Add Captioning" tutorial is still not available (note to self - contact the contractor to discuss), "on-it" educators at least now have the tools to take the ball and run with it: not only will students be learning about space related topics, but the potential for learning 'multi-media production' (which is clearly also part of the bigger picture) that is inclusionary (through the addition of captions) exists - students can be taught that adding captions is simply part of the bigger production work-flow. The current 'hard part' - getting the transcript - has been done already by NASA, so remixing and adding 'new' caption files to the 'new' videos is relatively easy and teachable. Or at least, that is my hope. For those of you reading this and who are involved in teaching, alt media production or a related endeavor, I ask that maybe you help push that ball along as well. NASA has given us a great starting point, but we, accessibility advocates, need to help highlight that great start, and help other educators seize that start point and work it. It would be *SO COOL* to start seeing these Student/NASA remixes on YouTube with captions (YouTube now supports .srt caption files), so let's go do it! Thanks! JF See also: . Stanford Captioning: http://captioning.stanford.edu . WebAIM - Web Captioning Overview: http://webaim.org/techniques/captions/ . YouTube - Add captions or subtitle tracks to your videos: http://www.youtube.com/t/captions_about . JW FLV Player (A sweet little FLASH based player that scores incredibly high marks for accessibility supporting Closed Captions *AND* descriptive audio): http://www.longtailvideo.com/support/tutorials/Making-Video-Accessible . Easy YouTube Player (Christian Heilmann's remixed YouTube player): http://icant.co.uk/easy-youtube/ . Captioning Media for iTunes: http://soap.stanford.edu/show.php?contentid=89 (Hey listees - have any other great resources? Post them to the list!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjohnson at htctu.net Wed Feb 4 11:09:56 2009 From: jjohnson at htctu.net (Jayme Johnson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fast ForWord and Posit Science In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201c986fc$2b0eca80$812c5f80$@net> Hello Cath, I can tell you about both Fast ForWord and Posit Science- I actually did my practicum with Posit Science and am still involved with some instructional design projects there. Both of these programs have potential for a variety of learning disabilities, but there is no program that will simply address ADD in and of itself. Depending on the specific situation with this child, either of these might be a part of a bigger solution, but neither are intended to be an ADD rehabilitative tool. I was fortunate enough to manage a project here at the HTCTU that addressed the variables in finding appropriate software for different types of learning disabilities. Please feel free to contact me if you'd like to know more, and you can also check out the instructional resource we have online that was the end result of the project: http://htctu.net/trainings/manuals/tutorials/ldsoft/document/main.htm. Good luck! Jayme Johnson High Tech Center Training Unit (408) 996-6045 http://www.htctu.net The HTCTU provides leadership, training, and support to the California Community Colleges in using technology to promote the success of students with disabilities. From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Catherine M. Stager Kilcommons Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:12 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Fast ForWord and Posit Science Hi all, Does anyone have experience with Fast ForWord and Posit Science? I had a parent of student with ADD ask me about these programs and whether they would help her child. Any input? Thanks, Cath ---- Cath Stager-Kilcommons Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator Disability Services 332 Willard Administration Bldg. University of Colorado at Boulder 303-492-4049 http://www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmhaven at stanford.edu Wed Feb 4 11:50:55 2009 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Captioning, Transcripts and a Teachable moment In-Reply-To: <030a01c986f7$dcee5220$96caf660$@edu> References: <030a01c986f7$dcee5220$96caf660$@edu> Message-ID: Wow, John -- that's fantastic! Congratulations on your success in helping make this possible. I will definitely check it out and pass it along. - Shelley Haven >All, > >Many of you already know that I am passionate >about getting transcripts and captioning added >to on-line videos. I've always tried to frame >the dialogue around the greater benefit >captioning/transcripts provide to all users, not >just those in a particular disabled community. > >Back before Christmas, I was approached by a web >developer who was working on a project for NASA: >an out-reach program geared towards students at >all levels (K-4 through "higher ed") that >essentially encouraged students to use NASA >Videos and create "remixes". Since NASA is >clearly a Section 508 respondent, the preview >videos on NASA's site required captioning >(Section 508 - b. Equivalent alternatives for >any multimedia presentation shall be >synchronized with the presentation), but the >developer was curious what to do regarding the >videos being offered as downloads. Somehow, she >ended up IM'ing me at work and we had an >interesting exchange. > >After a bit of discussion, I proposed that they >(NASA) include numerous 'pieces' of digital data >in a zip file, and some of those bits would be >the time-stamped transcript and 'flat' >transcript, so that the students would have >those pieces of the total 'picture' to use and >remix at the same time that they mixed and >mashed their visual media. > >NASA agreed! > >Late last week, the site was launched - a review >page can be found here: >http://tinyurl.com/bmptxd >. While a "How to Add Captioning" tutorial is >still not available (note to self - contact the >contractor to discuss), "on-it" educators at >least now have the tools to take the ball and >run with it: not only will students be learning >about space related topics, but the potential >for learning 'multi-media production' (which is >clearly also part of the bigger picture) that is >inclusionary (through the addition of captions) >exists - students can be taught that adding >captions is simply part of the bigger production >work-flow. The current 'hard part' - getting >the transcript - has been done already by NASA, >so remixing and adding 'new' caption files to >the 'new' videos is relatively easy and >teachable. > >Or at least, that is my hope. For those of you >reading this and who are involved in teaching, >alt media production or a related endeavor, I >ask that maybe you help push that ball along as >well. NASA has given us a great starting point, >but we, accessibility advocates, need to help >highlight that great start, and help other >educators seize that start point and work it. >It would be *SO COOL* to start seeing these >Student/NASA remixes on YouTube with captions >(YouTube now supports .srt caption files), so >let's go do it! > >Thanks! > >JF > >See also: >? Stanford Captioning: >http://captioning.stanford.edu >? WebAIM - Web Captioning Overview: >http://webaim.org/techniques/captions/ >? YouTube - Add captions or subtitle >tracks to your videos: >http://www.youtube.com/t/captions_about >? JW FLV Player (A sweet little FLASH >based player that scores incredibly high marks >for accessibility supporting Closed Captions >*AND* descriptive audio): >http://www.longtailvideo.com/support/tutorials/Making-Video-Accessible >? Easy YouTube Player (Christian >Heilmann's remixed YouTube player): >http://icant.co.uk/easy-youtube/ >? Captioning Media for iTunes: >http://soap.stanford.edu/show.php?contentid=89 > > >(Hey listees - have any other great resources? Post them to the list!) > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfoliot at stanford.edu Wed Feb 4 12:11:29 2009 From: jfoliot at stanford.edu (John Foliot) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Captioning, Transcripts and a Teachable moment In-Reply-To: References: <030a01c986f7$dcee5220$96caf660$@edu> Message-ID: <037901c98704$c3a020c0$4ae06240$@edu> Thanks Shelley JF From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Haven Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:51 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Captioning, Transcripts and a Teachable moment Wow, John -- that's fantastic! Congratulations on your success in helping make this possible. I will definitely check it out and pass it along. - Shelley Haven All, Many of you already know that I am passionate about getting transcripts and captioning added to on-line videos. I've always tried to frame the dialogue around the greater benefit captioning/transcripts provide to all users, not just those in a particular disabled community. Back before Christmas, I was approached by a web developer who was working on a project for NASA: an out-reach program geared towards students at all levels (K-4 through "higher ed") that essentially encouraged students to use NASA Videos and create "remixes". Since NASA is clearly a Section 508 respondent, the preview videos on NASA's site required captioning (Section 508 - b. Equivalent alternatives for any multimedia presentation shall be synchronized with the presentation), but the developer was curious what to do regarding the videos being offered as downloads. Somehow, she ended up IM'ing me at work and we had an interesting exchange. After a bit of discussion, I proposed that they (NASA) include numerous 'pieces' of digital data in a zip file, and some of those bits would be the time-stamped transcript and 'flat' transcript, so that the students would have those pieces of the total 'picture' to use and remix at the same time that they mixed and mashed their visual media. NASA agreed! Late last week, the site was launched - a review page can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/bmptxd . While a "How to Add Captioning" tutorial is still not available (note to self - contact the contractor to discuss), "on-it" educators at least now have the tools to take the ball and run with it: not only will students be learning about space related topics, but the potential for learning 'multi-media production' (which is clearly also part of the bigger picture) that is inclusionary (through the addition of captions) exists - students can be taught that adding captions is simply part of the bigger production work-flow. The current 'hard part' - getting the transcript - has been done already by NASA, so remixing and adding 'new' caption files to the 'new' videos is relatively easy and teachable. Or at least, that is my hope. For those of you reading this and who are involved in teaching, alt media production or a related endeavor, I ask that maybe you help push that ball along as well. NASA has given us a great starting point, but we, accessibility advocates, need to help highlight that great start, and help other educators seize that start point and work it. It would be *SO COOL* to start seeing these Student/NASA remixes on YouTube with captions (YouTube now supports .srt caption files), so let's go do it! Thanks! JF See also: . Stanford Captioning: http://captioning.stanford.edu . WebAIM - Web Captioning Overview: http://webaim.org/techniques/captions/ . YouTube - Add captions or subtitle tracks to your videos: http://www.youtube.com/t/captions_about . JW FLV Player (A sweet little FLASH based player that scores incredibly high marks for accessibility supporting Closed Captions *AND* descriptive audio): http://www.longtailvideo.com/support/tutorials/Making-Video-Accessible . Easy YouTube Player (Christian Heilmann's remixed YouTube player): http://icant.co.uk/easy-youtube/ . Captioning Media for iTunes: http://soap.stanford.edu/show.php?contentid=89 (Hey listees - have any other great resources? Post them to the list!) _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alpuzz at msu.edu Thu Feb 5 07:59:43 2009 From: alpuzz at msu.edu (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility Issues with Google Apps? Message-ID: Our university is looking at making Google apps available as a tool for instructors, and integrating links to it as part of Angel. As a screen reader user myself, I've played briefly with Google Apps, and my experience is that it isn't ready for prime time yet in terms of accessibility. I'm going to express those thoughts to my administration, but I wonder if there are already any documents or articles on the web that I can cite to support my point? Thanks, Al Puzzuoli Michigan State University Information Technologist http://www.rcpd.msu.edu Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities 120 Bessey Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 517-884-1915 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3829 (20090205) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From mikegibson at boisestate.edu Thu Feb 5 15:00:41 2009 From: mikegibson at boisestate.edu (Mike Gibson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Seeking info on Touch Tablets Message-ID: <498B0D29020000B6000384F0@hermes.boisestate.edu> Thank you everyone for your feedback and advice. It was most helpful. Regards, Mike Gibson AT Coordinator Boise State University (208) 426-1583 _____________________________________________ From: "Karlen Communications" [mailto:info@karlencommunications.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:36 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Seeking info on Touch Tablets Mike: I've been using a tablet computer for about five years now and find that using the digital pen instead of a conventional mouse works better for me as someone who has a visual disability. I can just point to a spot on the screen and activate buttons, links and so forth. I use my tablet with JAWS primarily but with Windows Magnifier to do handwriting and sometimes ZoomText although you can't use the digital pen with ZoomText. I also use it with Microsoft OneNote to get screen clippings for training and tutorial material. I've worked with students who have either learning or visual disabilities or both for whom a tablet was the best note taking device. I did the assessments and training. I don't have any experience with the new touch screens so can't comment on them. With the conventional tablets you can rest your arm on the screen but you can't have any jewelry, cuff buttons or rings to scratch the surface. I find that I am more accurate in focusing in on items on the screen with the digital pen than I am with a conventional mouse. I've always had slate tablets from Motion Computing and have used an external keyboard with them when necessary. I've used the larger Motion tablet with a 12" screen and am now using the LS800 which has a screen half the size. I wouldn't recommend that one for any type of photo editing due to the screen size. http://www.motioncomputing.com Using a tablet as a tablet [if you don't use the digital pen it functions just like a laptop] is not for everyone and there have been students for whom a tablet wouldn't work. The student really needs to have one in their hands so you can see how they would work with it in order to determine if it would be useful. Physical disabilities, work habits, organizational habits, and visual disability all contribute to the usability of this tool. Specific disabilities aside, I do find the digital pen more accurate when selecting parts of the screen or parts of images to edit and it is because it is like using a pen to do this or a utility knife....I worked on a publication in the days of linotype and cut and paste content into pages. :-) I do have a web page on tablet computers and disability although again it does not deal with the new touch screens. http://www.karlencommunications.com/tablet-technology.htm Cheers, Karen -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Mike Gibson Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:00 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Seeking info on Touch Tablets Hi Everyone, I am working with a student this semester who has issues using a conventional mouse do to Carpal Tunnel and Fibromyalgia. She is enrolled in a photography class this term which requires students to use photo editing software. She is having problems with the fine mouse movements to properly edit the photos and other related activities. I have been reading about touch tablets and their use for drawing, painting, and handwriting on a PC. Has anyone had experience using these devices as a mouse alternative? If so what challenges were their? Also any information on brands would be helpful as well. Thank you in advance. Mike Gibson Assistive Technology Coordinator Boise State University 1910 University Dr. Boise, ID 83725-1375 Phone: (208) 426-1583 Fax: (208) 426-3785 Email: mikegibson@boisestate.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From mikegibson at boisestate.edu Thu Feb 5 15:04:57 2009 From: mikegibson at boisestate.edu (Mike Gibson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility Issues with Google Apps? Message-ID: <498B0E29020000B6000384FF@hermes.boisestate.edu> I would like to see this information as well. Please post to the list. Our university is moving all facaulty and staff to Googole Apps beginning next week. Of course, the administration neglected to consult with the campus AT Coordinator. Any info will be extremely helpful in my formal complaint to the administration. Regards, Mike Gibson AT Coordinator Boise State University (208) 426-1583 _____________________________________________ From: "Al Puzzuoli" [mailto:alpuzz@msu.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:00 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Accessibility Issues with Google Apps? Our university is looking at making Google apps available as a tool for instructors, and integrating links to it as part of Angel. As a screen reader user myself, I've played briefly with Google Apps, and my experience is that it isn't ready for prime time yet in terms of accessibility. I'm going to express those thoughts to my administration, but I wonder if there are already any documents or articles on the web that I can cite to support my point? Thanks, Al Puzzuoli Michigan State University Information Technologist http://www.rcpd.msu.edu Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities 120 Bessey Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 517-884-1915 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3829 (20090205) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ea at emptech.info Thu Feb 5 15:06:56 2009 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility Issues with Google Apps? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201c987e6$75eca280$61c5e780$@info> We have started to look at them on www.web2access.org.uk - direct link to the evaluations we have done so far. http://tinyurl.com/aau3cj This is very much a website with work in progress so please if you feel some of our comments are incorrect do get in touch. Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab, ECS, University of Southampton, Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Al Puzzuoli Sent: 05 February 2009 16:00 To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Accessibility Issues with Google Apps? Our university is looking at making Google apps available as a tool for instructors, and integrating links to it as part of Angel. As a screen reader user myself, I've played briefly with Google Apps, and my experience is that it isn't ready for prime time yet in terms of accessibility. I'm going to express those thoughts to my administration, but I wonder if there are already any documents or articles on the web that I can cite to support my point? Thanks, Al Puzzuoli Michigan State University Information Technologist http://www.rcpd.msu.edu Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities 120 Bessey Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 517-884-1915 __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3829 (20090205) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1935 - Release Date: 02/04/09 16:35:00 From ead at ecs.soton.ac.uk Thu Feb 5 15:22:35 2009 From: ead at ecs.soton.ac.uk (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. Message-ID: This is a question I have just received and my feeling is that we need to get better at using subject lines correctly, but please can anyone give me some pointers to good practice. "I've been asked what would be the best way of conveying nesting structure to screenreader users so that they could understand whether a reply was to the original message in the thread or to a subsequent message. Do you have any opinions or resources on that issue?" Many thanks. Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab, ECS, University of Southampton, Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info From kestrell at panix.com Thu Feb 5 15:34:48 2009 From: kestrell at panix.com (Kestrell) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. References: Message-ID: <52E2F03CA10842B5ADB531D18D92B2FB@Galatea> I don't know if this is an official practice, but, as a screen reader user myself, what I find most useful is to change the subject line but leave part of the original thread, as in: Best practices in thread responses, was configuring controls This way I can see the new subject and also go back and read previous emails where the subject jumped, as long as I haven't deleted those emails yet. Kestrell ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.A. Draffan" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:22 PM Subject: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. > This is a question I have just received and my feeling is that we need to > get better at using subject lines correctly, but please can anyone give me > some pointers to good practice. > > "I've been asked what would be the best way of conveying nesting structure > to screenreader users so that they could understand whether a reply was to > the original message in the thread or to a subsequent message. Do you have > any opinions or resources on that issue?" > > Many thanks. > > Best wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Learning Societies Lab, > ECS, University of Southampton, > Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 > http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk > http://www.emptech.info > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From burke at ucla.edu Thu Feb 5 16:40:54 2009 From: burke at ucla.edu (Patrick Burke) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200902060040.n160et6e002245@mail.ucla.edu> Hi E.A., Overall, after much experience & consideration, I give it a big Who Cares. ... But then I'm a long-time proponent of top-posting (when you open a new message, the newest content is right there, & if you need context you can read further down...). So it may not be wise to listen to me. ... I suppose the "Re7: ..." method is better than "Re: re: re: re: ...", if I have to choose a method of showing this. If we're talking about an online forum situation, some sites use nested lists very effectively to show subthreads. It gets a little wordy with all the "nesting level 2" indicators (via Jaws in my case). But this method does show very clearly which messages are originals & which are follow-ups. That's my theory. I hope somewhat helpful. Patrick At 03:22 PM 2/5/2009, E.A. Draffan wrote: >This is a question I have just received and my feeling is that we >need to get better at using subject lines correctly, but please can >anyone give me some pointers to good practice. > >"I've been asked what would be the best way of conveying nesting >structure to screenreader users so that they could understand >whether a reply was to the original message in the thread or to a >subsequent message. Do you have any opinions or resources on that issue?" > >Many thanks. > >Best wishes E.A. > >Mrs E.A. Draffan >Learning Societies Lab, >ECS, University of Southampton, >Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 >http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk >http://www.emptech.info > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke ucla. edu From john.gardner at orst.edu Thu Feb 5 17:28:28 2009 From: john.gardner at orst.edu (John Gardner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. In-Reply-To: <200902060040.n160et6e002245@mail.ucla.edu> References: <200902060040.n160et6e002245@mail.ucla.edu> Message-ID: I agree with Patrick about top down information. But I fear we may be a minority. Or maybe just unfashionable. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Burke Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:41 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. Hi E.A., Overall, after much experience & consideration, I give it a big Who Cares. ... But then I'm a long-time proponent of top-posting (when you open a new message, the newest content is right there, & if you need context you can read further down...). So it may not be wise to listen to me. ... I suppose the "Re7: ..." method is better than "Re: re: re: re: ...", if I have to choose a method of showing this. If we're talking about an online forum situation, some sites use nested lists very effectively to show subthreads. It gets a little wordy with all the "nesting level 2" indicators (via Jaws in my case). But this method does show very clearly which messages are originals & which are follow-ups. That's my theory. I hope somewhat helpful. Patrick At 03:22 PM 2/5/2009, E.A. Draffan wrote: >This is a question I have just received and my feeling is that we need >to get better at using subject lines correctly, but please can anyone >give me some pointers to good practice. > >"I've been asked what would be the best way of conveying nesting >structure to screenreader users so that they could understand whether a >reply was to the original message in the thread or to a subsequent >message. Do you have any opinions or resources on that issue?" > >Many thanks. > >Best wishes E.A. > >Mrs E.A. Draffan >Learning Societies Lab, >ECS, University of Southampton, >Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 >http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk >http://www.emptech.info > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke ucla. edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From skeegan at stanford.edu Thu Feb 5 22:07:39 2009 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498BD3AB.3080603@stanford.edu> E.A. wrote: I've been asked what would be the best way of conveying nesting structure to screenreader users so that they could understand whether a reply was to the original message in the thread or to a subsequent message. Sean's reply: One method that has gained some use on discussion lists is similar to what I have done in this message. That is, put either the question or main point above and then respond to the message below. If there are several points, then separate each point with your response. Delete the remainder of the actual message. Some people simply use the ">" symbol to designate the main topic in the previous message that is being responded to, but others put some information such as "My reply" to separate who is writing which message. If the conversation has gone back and forth and the poster wishes to refocus to the original message, then I have also seen the convention where the phrase "Original Post" or "Original Message" is sometimes used instead of a person's name. Does this help someone using a screen-reader? I have heard answers all over the place, from "yes" to "no" to, as Patrick pointed out, "who cares?" What I do like about separating the main points and replying to those individually is when checking e-mail via a portable device (e.g., iPhone, Blackberry, etc.) - I get the main points of the message and do not have to sift through a bunch of replies to figure out what was the original post. Also, it helps to focus the issues in question and can make it easier to understand to what part of a message a person is responding. Take care, Sean From pratikp1 at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 00:01:52 2009 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. In-Reply-To: <200902060040.n160et6e002245@mail.ucla.edu> References: <200902060040.n160et6e002245@mail.ucla.edu> Message-ID: <00f301c98831$2cb34150$8619c3f0$@com> As usual I have lots of opinions about this, having used all sorts of methods. Sometimes I prefer a combination of techniques, depending on the context. I agree with both Patrick and Sean. Can I be any more schizophrenic? I'll use this e-mail to respond to points made by both Patrick and Sean. -----Original Message----- Patrick Burke (PB) wrote: Overall, after much experience & consideration, I give it a big Who Cares. ... But then I'm a long-time proponent of top-posting (when you open a new message, the newest content is right there, & if you need context you can read further down...). So it may not be wise to listen to me. ... PP: I tend to be an efficiency nut and the top-down method doesn't work well in a long thread. One of the main reasons why I love Microsoft Outlook so much is that it allows one to sort and group messages many different ways. I find myself grouping messages by threads -- something that Outlook calls "conversations." Within that thread group, messages are sorted by date and time received, allowing me to go through them one after another. I recognize that most people use the top-down method to respond; and, as a screen reader user, it's often far more efficient to go through each message one after another, just reading the top part and ignoring the rest. I recognize that this is certainly an adaptation for the current practice. But the reality is that getting people to change -- including myself -- on how they post message is going to be quite difficult. PB: I suppose the "Re7: ..." method is better than "Re: re: re: re: ...", if I have to choose a method of showing this. If we're talking about an online forum situation, some sites use nested lists very effectively to show subthreads. It gets a little wordy with all the "nesting level 2" indicators (via Jaws in my case). But this method does show very clearly which messages are originals & which are follow-ups. PP: I agree that some forums do employ the list nesting structure effectively. The down side is the unnecessary bit of chatter. Instead, I would highly prefer the Gmail method of indicating messages. I think Gmail does a fantastic job of grouping and, in turn, using heading navigation to allow one to jump from response to response. Within messages, the Gmail interface often ends up hiding headers, original messages, responses to original, etc. It all depends on what level of nesting we're talking about. It allows one to unhide a particular message or hidden section on demand. It is very very efficient. If screen readers were more reliable navigating through Gmail, I'd abandon Outlook in a heartbeat. Sean Keegan (SK) wrote: One method that has gained some use on discussion lists is similar to what I have done in this message. That is, put either the question or main point above and then respond to the message below. If there are several points, then separate each point with your response. Delete the remainder of the actual message. PP: I do like the method that SEAN points out. In long e-mails like this one, I often end up using it myself. However I am not fond of the ">" char at all. I have always found the > symbol quite annoying when used by e-mails. It is often not included in the low-punctuation verbosity levels by default. Yes I can customize punctuation levels to have the symbol read; but I'm lazy and, more important, having "greater than" said each time I encounter a new line is simply annoying. SK: Some people simply use the ">" symbol to designate the main topic in the previous message that is being responded to, but others put some information such as "My reply" to separate who is writing which message. If the conversation has gone back and forth and the poster wishes to refocus to the original message, then I have also seen the convention where the phrase "Original Post" or "Original Message" is sometimes used instead of a person's name. PP: Instead, I prefer to use a format similar to what I've done here. The first time the poster's name is encountered, I take it in whole and put his/her initials in parens. Each time she/he is quoted subsequently, I preface the quote by using the initials. What I've found people to do is quote someone at the beginning without identifying the person, put their reply immediately following the quote, interweave another quote from the original poster without identifying, and then respond to it. It is the most ineffective method. Sometimes the conversation could be clear form the context and other times, it takes a little while to understand the context. I am forced to go back to the original messages from the thread to pick up context and return to the response to gain a better understanding. SK: Does this help someone using a screen-reader? I have heard answers all over the place, from "yes" to "no" to, as Patrick pointed out, "who cares?" What I do like about separating the main points and replying to those individually is when checking e-mail via a portable device (e.g., iPhone, Blackberry, etc.) - I get the main points of the message and do not have to sift through a bunch of replies to figure out what was the original post. Also, it helps to focus the issues in question and can make it easier to understand to what part of a message a person is responding. PP: I do find the integrated threads quite useful when retrieving e-mail messages on a mobile device. I agree that the method is most successful when used properly. This again brings me back to Gmail. In situations like these, a good user interface can make a huge difference. Warm regards, Pratik From ea at emptech.info Fri Feb 6 00:50:59 2009 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. In-Reply-To: <00f301c98831$2cb34150$8619c3f0$@com> References: <200902060040.n160et6e002245@mail.ucla.edu> <00f301c98831$2cb34150$8619c3f0$@com> Message-ID: <000401c98838$0d87a7b0$2896f710$@info> Thank you so much for all the help as usual - it was great to hear from you all - such a fantastic list. I can see I am going to have to read between the lines to get all the points across! Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab, ECS, University of Southampton, Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: 06 February 2009 08:02 To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. As usual I have lots of opinions about this, having used all sorts of methods. Sometimes I prefer a combination of techniques, depending on the context. I agree with both Patrick and Sean. Can I be any more schizophrenic? I'll use this e-mail to respond to points made by both Patrick and Sean. -----Original Message----- Patrick Burke (PB) wrote: Overall, after much experience & consideration, I give it a big Who Cares. ... But then I'm a long-time proponent of top-posting (when you open a new message, the newest content is right there, & if you need context you can read further down...). So it may not be wise to listen to me. ... PP: I tend to be an efficiency nut and the top-down method doesn't work well in a long thread. One of the main reasons why I love Microsoft Outlook so much is that it allows one to sort and group messages many different ways. I find myself grouping messages by threads -- something that Outlook calls "conversations." Within that thread group, messages are sorted by date and time received, allowing me to go through them one after another. I recognize that most people use the top-down method to respond; and, as a screen reader user, it's often far more efficient to go through each message one after another, just reading the top part and ignoring the rest. I recognize that this is certainly an adaptation for the current practice. But the reality is that getting people to change -- including myself -- on how they post message is going to be quite difficult. PB: I suppose the "Re7: ..." method is better than "Re: re: re: re: ...", if I have to choose a method of showing this. If we're talking about an online forum situation, some sites use nested lists very effectively to show subthreads. It gets a little wordy with all the "nesting level 2" indicators (via Jaws in my case). But this method does show very clearly which messages are originals & which are follow-ups. PP: I agree that some forums do employ the list nesting structure effectively. The down side is the unnecessary bit of chatter. Instead, I would highly prefer the Gmail method of indicating messages. I think Gmail does a fantastic job of grouping and, in turn, using heading navigation to allow one to jump from response to response. Within messages, the Gmail interface often ends up hiding headers, original messages, responses to original, etc. It all depends on what level of nesting we're talking about. It allows one to unhide a particular message or hidden section on demand. It is very very efficient. If screen readers were more reliable navigating through Gmail, I'd abandon Outlook in a heartbeat. Sean Keegan (SK) wrote: One method that has gained some use on discussion lists is similar to what I have done in this message. That is, put either the question or main point above and then respond to the message below. If there are several points, then separate each point with your response. Delete the remainder of the actual message. PP: I do like the method that SEAN points out. In long e-mails like this one, I often end up using it myself. However I am not fond of the ">" char at all. I have always found the > symbol quite annoying when used by e-mails. It is often not included in the low-punctuation verbosity levels by default. Yes I can customize punctuation levels to have the symbol read; but I'm lazy and, more important, having "greater than" said each time I encounter a new line is simply annoying. SK: Some people simply use the ">" symbol to designate the main topic in the previous message that is being responded to, but others put some information such as "My reply" to separate who is writing which message. If the conversation has gone back and forth and the poster wishes to refocus to the original message, then I have also seen the convention where the phrase "Original Post" or "Original Message" is sometimes used instead of a person's name. PP: Instead, I prefer to use a format similar to what I've done here. The first time the poster's name is encountered, I take it in whole and put his/her initials in parens. Each time she/he is quoted subsequently, I preface the quote by using the initials. What I've found people to do is quote someone at the beginning without identifying the person, put their reply immediately following the quote, interweave another quote from the original poster without identifying, and then respond to it. It is the most ineffective method. Sometimes the conversation could be clear form the context and other times, it takes a little while to understand the context. I am forced to go back to the original messages from the thread to pick up context and return to the response to gain a better understanding. SK: Does this help someone using a screen-reader? I have heard answers all over the place, from "yes" to "no" to, as Patrick pointed out, "who cares?" What I do like about separating the main points and replying to those individually is when checking e-mail via a portable device (e.g., iPhone, Blackberry, etc.) - I get the main points of the message and do not have to sift through a bunch of replies to figure out what was the original post. Also, it helps to focus the issues in question and can make it easier to understand to what part of a message a person is responding. PP: I do find the integrated threads quite useful when retrieving e-mail messages on a mobile device. I agree that the method is most successful when used properly. This again brings me back to Gmail. In situations like these, a good user interface can make a huge difference. Warm regards, Pratik _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1935 - Release Date: 02/04/09 16:35:00 From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Fri Feb 6 05:50:25 2009 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. In-Reply-To: <498BD3AB.3080603@stanford.edu> References: <498BD3AB.3080603@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Sean's method is how I usually do it. I like to point out what I'm answering specifically, so I snip what isn't needed and reply below that. To be honest, this is not anything I've ever thought about before, so now I'm intrigued and will be asking my students how they like to have email threads threaded. Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 From Crabb.15 at osu.edu Fri Feb 6 05:55:44 2009 From: Crabb.15 at osu.edu (Crabb, Nolan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. In-Reply-To: References: <498BD3AB.3080603@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE202258328@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> The original writer asked about best practices for message threading and screen reader use. My all-time favorite way to do this is to summarize in one sentence if at all possible what the previous message said, then comment below that summary. By so doing, I accomplish a couple of things. First, I save time and bandwidth by not including the reply of the original poster; second, if my summary is inaccurate, the original poster often feels compelled to reply with corrections, which can be helpful. Regards, Nolan Nolan Crabb Director of Assistive Technology The Ohio State University 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 Ph. (614) 735-8688 E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu From ea at emptech.info Fri Feb 6 06:10:57 2009 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. In-Reply-To: <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE202258328@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> References: <498BD3AB.3080603@stanford.edu> <200911DB087DA748846372E8038E0AE202258328@Amazon.admin.ohio-state.edu> Message-ID: <00a101c98864$c07fd500$417f7f00$@info> I have a feeling this thread issue is one we need to write a guide for - that is unless someone has one hidden away! There are so many different types of forums, mail lists or social networks but possibly a few easy to understand points may help everyone. Once again thank you for all the help. Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab, ECS, University of Southampton, Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Crabb, Nolan Sent: 06 February 2009 13:56 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. The original writer asked about best practices for message threading and screen reader use. My all-time favorite way to do this is to summarize in one sentence if at all possible what the previous message said, then comment below that summary. By so doing, I accomplish a couple of things. First, I save time and bandwidth by not including the reply of the original poster; second, if my summary is inaccurate, the original poster often feels compelled to reply with corrections, which can be helpful. Regards, Nolan Nolan Crabb Director of Assistive Technology The Ohio State University 2054 Drake Center, 1849 Cannon Dr., Columbus, OH 43210 Ph. (614) 735-8688 E-mail: crabb.15@osu.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1935 - Release Date: 02/04/09 16:35:00 From hadi at illinois.edu Fri Feb 6 08:46:24 2009 From: hadi at illinois.edu (Hadi Rangin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. References: Message-ID: <58F819D65CDC4CE7A76DDA0240B0243A@shalizar> I just wanted to add to what Patrick and Sean said. For online forum, the best method would be to use a combination of (ordered) list and proper heading to the beginning of each responses. For regular e-mailing, it is very important that: 1. you quote only the section of the original e-mail that you want to respond and delete all extra surrounding text. 2. you do not re-attach your signature file over and over. Most e-mail programs/webmail application have an option to disable this feature. 3. when forwarding an e-mail, you remove all unnecessary e-mail headers. Keep only From, To/CC (if there are just a few), and subject line. I guarantee that screen reader users will appreciate and be more eager to read your e-mails if they are cleaner. Hadi ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.A. Draffan" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:22 PM Subject: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. > This is a question I have just received and my feeling is that we need to > get better at using subject lines correctly, but please can anyone give me > some pointers to good practice. > > "I've been asked what would be the best way of conveying nesting structure > to screenreader users so that they could understand whether a reply was to > the original message in the thread or to a subsequent message. Do you have > any opinions or resources on that issue?" > > Many thanks. > > Best wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Learning Societies Lab, > ECS, University of Southampton, > Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 > http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk > http://www.emptech.info From burke at ucla.edu Fri Feb 6 09:50:25 2009 From: burke at ucla.edu (Patrick Burke) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. In-Reply-To: <00f301c98831$2cb34150$8619c3f0$@com> References: <200902060040.n160et6e002245@mail.ucla.edu> <00f301c98831$2cb34150$8619c3f0$@com> Message-ID: <200902061750.n16Ho1SY032113@mail.ucla.edu> At 12:01 AM 2/6/2009, Pratik Patel wrote: >As usual I have lots of opinions about this, having used all sorts of >methods. Sometimes I prefer a combination of techniques, depending on the >context. I agree with both Patrick and Sean. Can I be any more >schizophrenic? I'll use this e-mail to respond to points made by both >Patrick and Sean. > >Patrick responds: In this case schizophrenia is warranted, since there are so many different types of interactions carried on via email. For technical discussions covering a number of detailed points, interleaving of replies is probably inevitable & necessary, & it can improve clarity to have the exact original & reply phrases right next to each other. However, I have also been driven crazy when, say, 15 or 20 people replied to a questionnaire, nearly everyone leaving the full question text before their two-word replies. At the end I had unwillingly memorized all the questions but forgotten who had answered what. ... >Pratik describes Gmail: >I think Gmail does a fantastic job of grouping and, in turn, using >heading navigation to allow one to jump from response to >response. Within messages, the Gmail >interface often ends up hiding headers, original messages, responses to >original, etc. It all depends on what level of nesting we're talking about. >It allows one to unhide a particular message or hidden section on demand. >It is very very efficient. If screen readers were more reliable navigating >through Gmail, I'd abandon Outlook in a heartbeat. Patrick sez: Wow, I'll have to revisit Gmail, because this is exactly the functionality we need! Just add an "Invert" feature, to read the components of a message in chronological or reverse order & we'll be set. Top-posters & their opponents can all be happy. :) I'll also heartily endorse Hadi's comments that came in as I was writing this. Patrick -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke ucla. edu From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Fri Feb 6 10:53:52 2009 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] portable DNS? Message-ID: Oh my great and powerful colleagues...I need to pick your brains. I had a potential student stop by to ask about accommodations, as he is thinking about signing up for classes. His presenting difficulties are with writing, and he had done his research, and asked about DNS and Inspiration. Good on him. He asked if there was a portable version of DNS, one that could be carried on a USB device that he could take to different places he might need to be using a computer. What a great idea. But preliminary research shows me there is really nothing out there. Has anyone heard of anything or have any amazing ideas how we might be able to make something work for this guy? Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think I would look at the operating systems on the new little computers with Windows XP and see if they have enough ram to support the software - that way, it can fit neatly in a backpack and only require 1 program purchase, 1 microphone and generally speaking, I voice and vocabulary profile. Nettie's thoughts On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Kelmer, Susan M. wrote: > Oh my great and powerful colleagues?I need to pick your brains. > > > > I had a potential student stop by to ask about accommodations, as he is > thinking about signing up for classes. His presenting difficulties are with > writing, and he had done his research, and asked about DNS and Inspiration. > Good on him. He asked if there was a portable version of DNS, one that > could be carried on a USB device that he could take to different places he > might need to be using a computer. > > > > What a great idea. But preliminary research shows me there is really > nothing out there. Has anyone heard of anything or have any amazing ideas > how we might be able to make something work for this guy? > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Adaptive Technology Specialist/* > > *Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms* > > *St. Louis Community College - Meramec* > > *314-984-7951* > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pratikp1 at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 11:38:20 2009 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] portable DNS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <021101c98892$77a737a0$66f5a6e0$@com> Susan, While there is no portable version of the software, the voice profile can be stored on a flash drive and taken from place to place. Audio set up wizard has to be run on each machine where the profile will be used. But dragon can be installed on multiple machines where the student is expected to work. Regards, Pratik From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M. Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:54 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] portable DNS? Oh my great and powerful colleagues.I need to pick your brains. I had a potential student stop by to ask about accommodations, as he is thinking about signing up for classes. His presenting difficulties are with writing, and he had done his research, and asked about DNS and Inspiration. Good on him. He asked if there was a portable version of DNS, one that could be carried on a USB device that he could take to different places he might need to be using a computer. What a great idea. But preliminary research shows me there is really nothing out there. Has anyone heard of anything or have any amazing ideas how we might be able to make something work for this guy? Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbailey at uoregon.edu Fri Feb 6 11:42:12 2009 From: jbailey at uoregon.edu (James Bailey) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] portable DNS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1233949332.770680.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> A few years back, we outfitted a grad student with a laptop and DNS and it truly saved the day. She used it for everything including field notes for practice teaching. I will say, that various factors contribute to the success or failure of such an implementation and in our case all the stars were properly aligned. It also helped that there was absolutely positively no other option. At least consider a laptop. -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1501 Kincaid St. Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 12:53:52 -0600, "Kelmer, Susan M." wrote: > > > Oh my great and powerful colleagues?I need to pick your brains. > > I had a potential student stop by to ask about accommodations, as he is thinking about signing up for classes. His presenting difficulties are with writing, and he had done his research, and asked about DNS and Inspiration. Good on him. He asked if there was a portable version of DNS, one that could be carried on a USB device that he could take to different places he might need to be using a computer. > > What a great idea. But preliminary research shows me there is really nothing out there. Has anyone heard of anything or have any amazing ideas how we might be able to make something work for this guy? > > Susan Kelmer > Adaptive Technology Specialist/ > Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms > St. Louis Community College - Meramec > 314-984-7951 > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From rmhaven at stanford.edu Fri Feb 6 12:06:25 2009 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] portable DNS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Susan! One can transport their voice profile on a (large capacity) USB drive, but as Nettie points out, the wrench in the works is needing to have a Dragon NaturallySpeaking license on each computer that he would use. We tried this at Stanford -- a two-year collaboration between the Office of Accessible Education and the Academic Computing department to integrate the AT in our accessible lab with all 400+ public student computers on campus (both Macs and PCs). We were successful with virtually everything except for Dragon. Most AT software either had network versions (e.g., JAWS, Kurzweil) or could by "keyserved" (e.g., Inspiration) so that a limited number of licenses could support several hundred workstations (only that limited number can be in use at any one time). Though a student's voice profile can be accessed on multiple machines from a central server, Nuance requires that a full license of Dragon be purchased for each machine, so we could only support the dozen or so machines in our lab and elsewhere. The options as I see it: - Install Dragon on whatever machines the student anticipates using, and access the voice profile from a central server or from the USB (the latter is extra work for the student, though, to keep the profile current) - Consider using the speech recognition capabilities built into Windows and transport that voice profile on a USB drive (don't actually know how feasible this is, but it's worth considering if he doesn't need the extra benefits of Dragon) - Loan the student a copy of Dragon for use on his personal laptop. In today's nomadic computing environment where the vast majority of students have their own laptop, this might make the most sense overall. Hope this helps. - Shelley ------------ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant Sunnyvale, CA 408-737-2092 >Hi Susan, > >I think it is a great idea but not one that will >catch on for the following reasons (as starters). >Another thought on the feasiblity of this option >is that all computers at this time, require a >voice profile be established for the user which >might require a lot of time - and, the various >gray noises are also consideratins for each >systme as well as hardware issues - >Take into consideration the need to purchase a >site license for each 'computer,' I think the >cost factor in dollars as well as time time >might be cost prohibitive. > >I think I would look at the operating systems on >the new little computers with Windows XP and see >if they have enough ram to support the software >- that way, it can fit neatly in a backpack and >only require 1 program purchase, 1 microphone >and generally speaking, I voice and vocabulary >profile. > >Nettie's thoughts > >On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Kelmer, Susan >M. <SKelmer@stlcc.edu> >wrote: > >Oh my great and powerful colleagues?I need to pick your brains. > > > >I had a potential student stop by to ask about >accommodations, as he is thinking about signing >up for classes. His presenting difficulties are >with writing, and he had done his research, and >asked about DNS and Inspiration. Good on him. >He asked if there was a portable version of DNS, >one that could be carried on a USB device that >he could take to different places he might need >to be using a computer. > > > >What a great idea. But preliminary research >shows me there is really nothing out there. Has >anyone heard of anything or have any amazing >ideas how we might be able to make something >work for this guy? > > > >Susan Kelmer > >Adaptive Technology Specialist/ > >Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms > >St. Louis Community College - Meramec > >314-984-7951 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > >-- >Nettie T. Fischer, ATP >Assistive Technology Practitioner >nettiet, ATP Consultants >www.nettietatpconsultants.com >[916] 704-1456 > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Vasquez at sbcc.edu Fri Feb 6 12:19:04 2009 From: Vasquez at sbcc.edu (Laurie Vasquez) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Google Unveils Cellphone Version of Digital-Book Collection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498C2AB8.1869.00F8.0@sbcc.edu> February 5, 2009 Google today unveiled what could be the largest collection of digital books formatted for cellphones. The company took 1.5 million of the books it has scanned through its partnership with several major college libraries and prepped them for the small screen of iPhones or phones using Google*s Android operating system. The collection only includes books that are in the public domain, so it highlights classics like Emma and This Side of Paradise. Developers spent about a year working on the cellphone format, said Frances Haugen, a product manager for Google, in an interview today. One key innovation: When users click on any paragraph of the text, they call up a picture of that paragraph from the original scan of the library book. That*s important for times when Google*s software goofed in turning the picture of the text into a digital file. (Such imperfections are common in any book-scanning effort.) Ms. Haugen said she reread a favorite book, Wuthering Heights, on her cellphone and had no problem reading for long periods on the small screen. It is hard to imagine students doing their English homework curled up with their cellphones, though. *Jeffrey R. Young From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Fri Feb 6 12:24:03 2009 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] portable DNS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for everyone's answers. I think I failed to explain myself clearly. We can put Dragon anywhere on campus and I can make his voice files available easily anywhere here. No problem there. What he really wants to do is carry a device with him that he can use ANYWHERE, at home, at the other college he attends, at the library, at a friend's house, when traveling out of town on a laptop, etc. He is looking at the big picture (again, good on him!) and I'd love to be able to tell him there is something out there that will do it. I don't think there is, I can't find one, but you just never know until you ask. Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcroll at CAHS.Colostate.edu Fri Feb 6 12:45:28 2009 From: mcroll at CAHS.Colostate.edu (Roll,Marla) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] portable DNS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95D1023BE1E90D43AD435E6F88562BCC2451DF8F04@ODIN.CAHS.ColoState.EDU> We have had good success installing dragon on a server and teaching students to save their voice files to the server so they can access them from any machine where we have placed dragon.... It has saved students and our office from the hassle of moving and updating voice files on different machines. We have done the laptop option as well and it suffices in most cases too. Marla Roll ________________________________________ Marla C. Roll, MS, OTR Director, Assistive Technology Resource Center Assistant Professor, Dept. of Occupational Therapy 304 Occupational Therapy Building Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 - 1586 970-491-2016 970-491-6290 (fax) mcroll@cahs.colostate.edu From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Haven Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:06 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] portable DNS? Hi, Susan! One can transport their voice profile on a (large capacity) USB drive, but as Nettie points out, the wrench in the works is needing to have a Dragon NaturallySpeaking license on each computer that he would use. We tried this at Stanford -- a two-year collaboration between the Office of Accessible Education and the Academic Computing department to integrate the AT in our accessible lab with all 400+ public student computers on campus (both Macs and PCs). We were successful with virtually everything except for Dragon. Most AT software either had network versions (e.g., JAWS, Kurzweil) or could by "keyserved" (e.g., Inspiration) so that a limited number of licenses could support several hundred workstations (only that limited number can be in use at any one time). Though a student's voice profile can be accessed on multiple machines from a central server, Nuance requires that a full license of Dragon be purchased for each machine, so we could only support the dozen or so machines in our lab and elsewhere. The options as I see it: - Install Dragon on whatever machines the student anticipates using, and access the voice profile from a central server or from the USB (the latter is extra work for the student, though, to keep the profile current) - Consider using the speech recognition capabilities built into Windows and transport that voice profile on a USB drive (don't actually know how feasible this is, but it's worth considering if he doesn't need the extra benefits of Dragon) - Loan the student a copy of Dragon for use on his personal laptop. In today's nomadic computing environment where the vast majority of students have their own laptop, this might make the most sense overall. Hope this helps. - Shelley ------------ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant Sunnyvale, CA 408-737-2092 Hi Susan, I think it is a great idea but not one that will catch on for the following reasons (as starters). Another thought on the feasiblity of this option is that all computers at this time, require a voice profile be established for the user which might require a lot of time - and, the various gray noises are also consideratins for each systme as well as hardware issues - Take into consideration the need to purchase a site license for each 'computer,' I think the cost factor in dollars as well as time time might be cost prohibitive. I think I would look at the operating systems on the new little computers with Windows XP and see if they have enough ram to support the software - that way, it can fit neatly in a backpack and only require 1 program purchase, 1 microphone and generally speaking, I voice and vocabulary profile. Nettie's thoughts On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Kelmer, Susan M. > wrote: Oh my great and powerful colleagues?I need to pick your brains. I had a potential student stop by to ask about accommodations, as he is thinking about signing up for classes. His presenting difficulties are with writing, and he had done his research, and asked about DNS and Inspiration. Good on him. He asked if there was a portable version of DNS, one that could be carried on a USB device that he could take to different places he might need to be using a computer. What a great idea. But preliminary research shows me there is really nothing out there. Has anyone heard of anything or have any amazing ideas how we might be able to make something work for this guy? Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu Fri Feb 6 14:56:21 2009 From: wink.harner at mcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] portable DNS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498CC015.2090304@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Susan et al, Dragon Naturally Speaking has a speech-to-text option which includes a portable recording device and Voice Tracer software. If Dragon is loaded (wherever) and his voice profile is loaded or accessible, he can record into the portable device and use any computer with DNS to transfer files. It isn't the same as a portable dictation but it is close. Would it work as a partial solution? I am not aware of any truly portable voice recognition programs (such as Kurzweil and RW Gold have for their mobile versions). Wink Kelmer, Susan M. wrote: > > Thanks for everyone?s answers. I think I failed to explain myself clearly. > > We can put Dragon anywhere on campus and I can make his voice files > available easily anywhere here. No problem there. What he really wants > to do is carry a device with him that he can use ANYWHERE, at home, at > the other college he attends, at the library, at a friend?s house, > when traveling out of town on a laptop, etc. He is looking at the big > picture (again, good on him!) and I?d love to be able to tell him > there is something out there that will do it. > > I don?t think there is, I can?t find one, but you just never know > until you ask. > > /Susan Kelmer/ > > /Adaptive Technology Specialist// > > /Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms/ > > /St. Louis Community College - Meramec/ > > /314-984-7951/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From nettiet at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 15:12:00 2009 From: nettiet at gmail.com (Nettie Fischer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] portable DNS? In-Reply-To: <498CC015.2090304@mcmail.maricopa.edu> References: <498CC015.2090304@mcmail.maricopa.edu> Message-ID: Thanks Wink, I totally forgot the recorded speech option. There are several digital recorders that are recommended by Nuance - Sony is one brand name but do not know the models. What the user does is profide a "recorded" voice profile - starting point - the software allows you to establish several voice profiles and the recorded voice is just one. Nettie On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Wink Harner wrote: > Susan et al, > > Dragon Naturally Speaking has a speech-to-text option which includes a > portable recording device and Voice Tracer software. If Dragon is loaded > (wherever) and his voice profile is loaded or accessible, he can record into > the portable device and use any computer with DNS to transfer files. It > isn't the same as a portable dictation but it is close. > > Would it work as a partial solution? I am not aware of any truly portable > voice recognition programs (such as Kurzweil and RW Gold have for their > mobile versions). > > Wink > > > > Kelmer, Susan M. wrote: > >> >> Thanks for everyone's answers. I think I failed to explain myself clearly. >> >> We can put Dragon anywhere on campus and I can make his voice files >> available easily anywhere here. No problem there. What he really wants to do >> is carry a device with him that he can use ANYWHERE, at home, at the other >> college he attends, at the library, at a friend's house, when traveling out >> of town on a laptop, etc. He is looking at the big picture (again, good on >> him!) and I'd love to be able to tell him there is something out there that >> will do it. >> >> I don't think there is, I can't find one, but you just never know until >> you ask. >> >> /Susan Kelmer/ >> >> /Adaptive Technology Specialist// >> >> /Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms/ >> >> /St. Louis Community College - Meramec/ >> >> /314-984-7951/ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -- Nettie T. 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URL: From accessible.text at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 09:52:51 2009 From: accessible.text at gmail.com (Robert Martinengo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] suggestions for cheaper lodging at CSUN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9edf8160902070952n3d574005m5323572ccd6bfa5b@mail.gmail.com> I use hotwire.com and pick something in the LAX area - you can get a decent room for $60 or so, especially in this economy. You dont get to know the place until you buy, but its usually within a few blocks of the Marriot. On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Howard Kramer wrote: > Anyone have any suggestions for cheaper lodging at CSUN. I hate sharing a > room but I'm open to it -- funds are tight. Anyone looking for the same? > Males only of course. (Sorry ladies). > > -Howard > > -- > Howard Kramer > AT Lab Coordinator > AHG Conference Coordinator > 303-492-8672 > fax: 492-5601 > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > From norm.coombs at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 19:59:38 2009 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. In-Reply-To: <00f301c98831$2cb34150$8619c3f0$@com> References: <200902060040.n160et6e002245@mail.ucla.edu> <00f301c98831$2cb34150$8619c3f0$@com> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20090207195749.022a4eb8@pop.gmail.com> I prefer the answer at the top. I still recall with frustration a reply to a question that a colleague sent me. My question required a long explanation in order to make the question clear. I had though my friend had returned my mail without a reply. Many screens later, I found one word answer to my question "yes." At 12:01 AM 2/6/2009, you wrote: >As usual I have lots of opinions about this, having used all sorts of >methods. Sometimes I prefer a combination of techniques, depending on the >context. I agree with both Patrick and Sean. Can I be any more >schizophrenic? I'll use this e-mail to respond to points made by both >Patrick and Sean. > > >-----Original Message----- >Patrick Burke (PB) wrote: > >Overall, after much experience & consideration, I give it a big Who >Cares. ... But then I'm a long-time proponent of top-posting (when >you open a new message, the newest content is right there, & if you >need context you can read further down...). So it may not be wise to >listen to me. ... > >PP: I tend to be an efficiency nut and the top-down method doesn't work well >in a long thread. One of the main reasons why I love Microsoft Outlook so >much is that it allows one to sort and group messages many different ways. I >find myself grouping messages by threads -- something that Outlook calls >"conversations." Within that thread group, messages are sorted by date and >time received, allowing me to go through them one after another. I >recognize that most people use the top-down method to respond; and, as a >screen reader user, it's often far more efficient to go through each message >one after another, just reading the top part and ignoring the rest. I >recognize that this is certainly an adaptation for the current practice. >But the reality is that getting people to change -- including myself -- on >how they post message is going to be quite difficult. > > >PB: I suppose the "Re7: ..." method is better than "Re: re: re: re: ...", >if I have to choose a method of showing this. > >If we're talking about an online forum situation, some sites use >nested lists very effectively to show subthreads. It gets a little >wordy with all the "nesting level 2" indicators (via Jaws in my >case). But this method does show very clearly which messages are >originals & which are follow-ups. > >PP: I agree that some forums do employ the list nesting structure >effectively. The down side is the unnecessary bit of chatter. Instead, I >would highly prefer the Gmail method of indicating messages. I think Gmail >does a fantastic job of grouping and, in turn, using heading navigation to >allow one to jump from response to response. Within messages, the Gmail >interface often ends up hiding headers, original messages, responses to >original, etc. It all depends on what level of nesting we're talking about. >It allows one to unhide a particular message or hidden section on demand. >It is very very efficient. If screen readers were more reliable navigating >through Gmail, I'd abandon Outlook in a heartbeat. > >Sean Keegan (SK) wrote: > >One method that has gained some use on discussion lists is similar to >what I have done in this message. That is, put either the question or >main point above and then respond to the message below. If there are >several points, then separate each point with your response. Delete the >remainder of the actual message. > >PP: I do like the method that SEAN points out. In long e-mails like this >one, I often end up using it myself. However I am not fond of the ">" char >at all. I have always found the > symbol quite annoying when used by >e-mails. It is often not included in the low-punctuation verbosity levels >by default. Yes I can customize punctuation levels to have the symbol read; >but I'm lazy and, more important, having "greater than" said each time I >encounter a new line is simply annoying. > >SK: Some people simply use the ">" symbol to designate the main topic in the > >previous message that is being responded to, but others put some >information such as "My reply" to separate who is writing which >message. If the conversation has gone back and forth and the poster >wishes to refocus to the original message, then I have also seen the >convention where the phrase "Original Post" or "Original Message" is >sometimes used instead of a person's name. > >PP: Instead, I prefer to use a format similar to what I've done here. The >first time the poster's name is encountered, I take it in whole and put >his/her initials in parens. Each time she/he is quoted subsequently, I >preface the quote by using the initials. What I've found people to do is >quote someone at the beginning without identifying the person, put their >reply immediately following the quote, interweave another quote from the >original poster without identifying, and then respond to it. It is the most >ineffective method. Sometimes the conversation could be clear form the >context and other times, it takes a little while to understand the context. >I am forced to go back to the original messages from the thread to pick up >context and return to the response to gain a better understanding. > >SK: Does this help someone using a screen-reader? I have heard answers all >over the place, from "yes" to "no" to, as Patrick pointed out, "who >cares?" What I do like about separating the main points and replying to >those individually is when checking e-mail via a portable device (e.g., >iPhone, Blackberry, etc.) - I get the main points of the message and do >not have to sift through a bunch of replies to figure out what was the >original post. Also, it helps to focus the issues in question and can >make it easier to understand to what part of a message a person is >responding. > >PP: I do find the integrated threads quite useful when retrieving e-mail >messages on a mobile device. I agree that the method is most successful >when used properly. This again brings me back to Gmail. In situations like >these, a good user interface can make a huge difference. > > >Warm regards, > >Pratik > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com CEO EASI Equal Access to Software and Information phone (949) 855-4852 (NOTE pacific time zone) ****READ ABOUT THE DICK BANKS MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP: http://easi.cc/scholarship.htm From ea at emptech.info Sun Feb 8 13:46:34 2009 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20090207195749.022a4eb8@pop.gmail.com> References: <200902060040.n160et6e002245@mail.ucla.edu> <00f301c98831$2cb34150$8619c3f0$@com> <6.0.3.0.2.20090207195749.022a4eb8@pop.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901c98a36$bcf10930$36d31b90$@info> Thank you Norm and the many others - I shall try to put together a guide as soon as possible and send it back to the list for approval and for anyone to use if it helps folks! Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab, ECS, University of Southampton, Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: 08 February 2009 04:00 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. I prefer the answer at the top. I still recall with frustration a reply to a question that a colleague sent me. My question required a long explanation in order to make the question clear. I had though my friend had returned my mail without a reply. Many screens later, I found one word answer to my question "yes." At 12:01 AM 2/6/2009, you wrote: >As usual I have lots of opinions about this, having used all sorts of >methods. Sometimes I prefer a combination of techniques, depending on the >context. I agree with both Patrick and Sean. Can I be any more >schizophrenic? I'll use this e-mail to respond to points made by both >Patrick and Sean. > > >-----Original Message----- >Patrick Burke (PB) wrote: > >Overall, after much experience & consideration, I give it a big Who >Cares. ... But then I'm a long-time proponent of top-posting (when >you open a new message, the newest content is right there, & if you >need context you can read further down...). So it may not be wise to >listen to me. ... > >PP: I tend to be an efficiency nut and the top-down method doesn't work well >in a long thread. One of the main reasons why I love Microsoft Outlook so >much is that it allows one to sort and group messages many different ways. I >find myself grouping messages by threads -- something that Outlook calls >"conversations." Within that thread group, messages are sorted by date and >time received, allowing me to go through them one after another. I >recognize that most people use the top-down method to respond; and, as a >screen reader user, it's often far more efficient to go through each message >one after another, just reading the top part and ignoring the rest. I >recognize that this is certainly an adaptation for the current practice. >But the reality is that getting people to change -- including myself -- on >how they post message is going to be quite difficult. > > >PB: I suppose the "Re7: ..." method is better than "Re: re: re: re: ...", >if I have to choose a method of showing this. > >If we're talking about an online forum situation, some sites use >nested lists very effectively to show subthreads. It gets a little >wordy with all the "nesting level 2" indicators (via Jaws in my >case). But this method does show very clearly which messages are >originals & which are follow-ups. > >PP: I agree that some forums do employ the list nesting structure >effectively. The down side is the unnecessary bit of chatter. Instead, I >would highly prefer the Gmail method of indicating messages. I think Gmail >does a fantastic job of grouping and, in turn, using heading navigation to >allow one to jump from response to response. Within messages, the Gmail >interface often ends up hiding headers, original messages, responses to >original, etc. It all depends on what level of nesting we're talking about. >It allows one to unhide a particular message or hidden section on demand. >It is very very efficient. If screen readers were more reliable navigating >through Gmail, I'd abandon Outlook in a heartbeat. > >Sean Keegan (SK) wrote: > >One method that has gained some use on discussion lists is similar to >what I have done in this message. That is, put either the question or >main point above and then respond to the message below. If there are >several points, then separate each point with your response. Delete the >remainder of the actual message. > >PP: I do like the method that SEAN points out. In long e-mails like this >one, I often end up using it myself. However I am not fond of the ">" char >at all. I have always found the > symbol quite annoying when used by >e-mails. It is often not included in the low-punctuation verbosity levels >by default. Yes I can customize punctuation levels to have the symbol read; >but I'm lazy and, more important, having "greater than" said each time I >encounter a new line is simply annoying. > >SK: Some people simply use the ">" symbol to designate the main topic in the > >previous message that is being responded to, but others put some >information such as "My reply" to separate who is writing which >message. If the conversation has gone back and forth and the poster >wishes to refocus to the original message, then I have also seen the >convention where the phrase "Original Post" or "Original Message" is >sometimes used instead of a person's name. > >PP: Instead, I prefer to use a format similar to what I've done here. The >first time the poster's name is encountered, I take it in whole and put >his/her initials in parens. Each time she/he is quoted subsequently, I >preface the quote by using the initials. What I've found people to do is >quote someone at the beginning without identifying the person, put their >reply immediately following the quote, interweave another quote from the >original poster without identifying, and then respond to it. It is the most >ineffective method. Sometimes the conversation could be clear form the >context and other times, it takes a little while to understand the context. >I am forced to go back to the original messages from the thread to pick up >context and return to the response to gain a better understanding. > >SK: Does this help someone using a screen-reader? I have heard answers all >over the place, from "yes" to "no" to, as Patrick pointed out, "who >cares?" What I do like about separating the main points and replying to >those individually is when checking e-mail via a portable device (e.g., >iPhone, Blackberry, etc.) - I get the main points of the message and do >not have to sift through a bunch of replies to figure out what was the >original post. Also, it helps to focus the issues in question and can >make it easier to understand to what part of a message a person is >responding. > >PP: I do find the integrated threads quite useful when retrieving e-mail >messages on a mobile device. I agree that the method is most successful >when used properly. This again brings me back to Gmail. In situations like >these, a good user interface can make a huge difference. > > >Warm regards, > >Pratik > > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 02/07/09 13:39:00 From pratikp1 at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 04:54:49 2009 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Google Unveils Cellphone Version of Digital-Book Collection In-Reply-To: <498C2AB8.1869.00F8.0@sbcc.edu> References: <498C2AB8.1869.00F8.0@sbcc.edu> Message-ID: <012f01c98ab5$988dbff0$c9a93fd0$@com> Hello all, I am happy to report that, at least, this mobile version of the Google books project is quite accessible by using internet explorer and a screen reader. I had some trouble with Firefox. Out of the two mobile phones I tried, I had better luck with a Simbian version than a Windows Moble phone. I need to do more testing with screen readers other than JAWS. It is very possible that Window-Eyes will provide better support for Firefox as it still remains superior in supporting that app. Regards, Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Laurie Vasquez Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:19 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Google Unveils Cellphone Version of Digital-Book Collection February 5, 2009 Google today unveiled what could be the largest collection of digital books formatted for cellphones. The company took 1.5 million of the books it has scanned through its partnership with several major college libraries and prepped them for the small screen of iPhones or phones using Google*s Android operating system. The collection only includes books that are in the public domain, so it highlights classics like Emma and This Side of Paradise. Developers spent about a year working on the cellphone format, said Frances Haugen, a product manager for Google, in an interview today. One key innovation: When users click on any paragraph of the text, they call up a picture of that paragraph from the original scan of the library book. That*s important for times when Google*s software goofed in turning the picture of the text into a digital file. (Such imperfections are common in any book-scanning effort.) Ms. Haugen said she reread a favorite book, Wuthering Heights, on her cellphone and had no problem reading for long periods on the small screen. It is hard to imagine students doing their English homework curled up with their cellphones, though. *Jeffrey R. Young _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From Teresa.Haven at asu.edu Mon Feb 9 06:51:16 2009 From: Teresa.Haven at asu.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] suggestions for cheaper lodging at CSUN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D41DFE921DACE439289A5E629BDB66C035CDFAF@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> This is where I used to stay when I attended CSUN - it's about 3 blocks down the street from the conference site, and used to be about half the price of the conference hotels. It's an older facility but every year I stayed there it was clean and the service was good - their airport shuttle driver would even drop me off at the conference hotel every morning on his regular run to the airport, no charge. Breakfast (assorted pastries, cereal, fruit, juice, coffee, etc.) included with room. Find someone to share with and the price gets even cheaper. http://www.travelodgelax.com/ Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. Alternate Format Supervisor Disability Resource Center Arizona State University ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:08 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] suggestions for cheaper lodging at CSUN Anyone have any suggestions for cheaper lodging at CSUN. I hate sharing a room but I'm open to it -- funds are tight. Anyone looking for the same? Males only of course. (Sorry ladies). -Howard -- Howard Kramer AT Lab Coordinator AHG Conference Coordinator 303-492-8672 fax: 492-5601 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From accessible.text at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 08:51:49 2009 From: accessible.text at gmail.com (Robert Martinengo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] suggestions for cheaper lodging at CSUN In-Reply-To: <0D41DFE921DACE439289A5E629BDB66C035CDFAF@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> References: <0D41DFE921DACE439289A5E629BDB66C035CDFAF@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <9edf8160902090851l4b430cfeoed8e92e0b5a0bf00@mail.gmail.com> Hotwire has a 4-star hotel for $73 plus ~$10/nite in tax - not a bad deal for those nice fluffy pillows... On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Teresa Haven wrote: > This is where I used to stay when I attended CSUN ? it's about 3 blocks down > the street from the conference site, and used to be about half the price of > the conference hotels. It's an older facility but every year I stayed there > it was clean and the service was good ? their airport shuttle driver would > even drop me off at the conference hotel every morning on his regular run to > the airport, no charge. Breakfast (assorted pastries, cereal, fruit, juice, > coffee, etc.) included with room. Find someone to share with and the price > gets even cheaper. > > http://www.travelodgelax.com/ > > > > > > Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. > > Alternate Format Supervisor > > Disability Resource Center > > Arizona State University > > ________________________________ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Howard Kramer > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:08 PM > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] suggestions for cheaper lodging at CSUN > > > > Anyone have any suggestions for cheaper lodging at CSUN. I hate sharing a > room but I'm open to it -- funds are tight. Anyone looking for the same? > Males only of course. (Sorry ladies). > > -Howard > > -- > Howard Kramer > AT Lab Coordinator > AHG Conference Coordinator > 303-492-8672 > fax: 492-5601 > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > From hkramer.atsol at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 09:37:04 2009 From: hkramer.atsol at gmail.com (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] suggestions for cheaper lodging at CSUN In-Reply-To: <9edf8160902090851l4b430cfeoed8e92e0b5a0bf00@mail.gmail.com> References: <0D41DFE921DACE439289A5E629BDB66C035CDFAF@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> <9edf8160902090851l4b430cfeoed8e92e0b5a0bf00@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Robert. That sounds very good. I checked out the site - looks like a good resource and they have some 3 star hotels for even less. -Howard On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Robert Martinengo wrote: > Hotwire has a 4-star hotel for $73 plus ~$10/nite in tax - not a bad > deal for those nice fluffy pillows... > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Teresa Haven wrote: > > This is where I used to stay when I attended CSUN ? it's about 3 blocks > down > > the street from the conference site, and used to be about half the price > of > > the conference hotels. It's an older facility but every year I stayed > there > > it was clean and the service was good ? their airport shuttle driver > would > > even drop me off at the conference hotel every morning on his regular run > to > > the airport, no charge. Breakfast (assorted pastries, cereal, fruit, > juice, > > coffee, etc.) included with room. Find someone to share with and the > price > > gets even cheaper. > > > > http://www.travelodgelax.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. > > > > Alternate Format Supervisor > > > > Disability Resource Center > > > > Arizona State University > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > > Behalf Of Howard Kramer > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:08 PM > > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] suggestions for cheaper lodging at CSUN > > > > > > > > Anyone have any suggestions for cheaper lodging at CSUN. I hate sharing a > > room but I'm open to it -- funds are tight. Anyone looking for the same? > > Males only of course. (Sorry ladies). > > > > -Howard > > > > -- > > Howard Kramer > > AT Lab Coordinator > > AHG Conference Coordinator > > 303-492-8672 > > fax: 492-5601 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -- Howard Kramer AT Lab Coordinator AHG Conference Coordinator 303-492-8672 fax: 492-5601 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From twilight2 at kconline.com Wed Feb 4 20:38:48 2009 From: twilight2 at kconline.com (Lori) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:20 2018 Subject: [Athen] Announcing a Blindness Symposium References: <02d401c9861a$903b5910$b0b20b30$@org> <200902041717.n14HHXwi018541@mail.ucla.edu> Message-ID: Hi all, I hope some folks from the list will be able to join us. I have been part of the team coordinating the exhibits for this event. Please contact me if you have questions. Lori This note is meant to announce that a high-profile blindness symposium is to occur in McKenna Hall on the campus of The University of Notre Dame on Fri., 6 March, 2009, from 9:00-5:45. Please forward to anyone you believe might have an interest in this, perhaps posting an advisory in any newsletter or podcast to which you contribute. Because the greater South Bend, Indiana, area is reasonably close to Chicagoland, southern Michigan, Indianapolis, and Ohio, a significant number of persons will potentially find it feasible to attend. The highest profile facets of this event are the keynote address by Dr. Marc Maurer, president of the National Federation of the Blind; and the presence of Olympic gold medal-winning swimmer and entrepreneur Adolph Kiefer. Dr. Maurer will be on center stage roughly from 10:45 A.M. to 12:30 P.M and will speak directly to the enormous gap that remains in respect to employment of the blind in 21st century America. Kiefer will participate while a paper on a new swimming navigational aid for the blind is presented at 3:30 in the afternoon. Another noteworthy fact is that this upcoming symposium has been created at Notre Dame and is being administered by an ND special professional named Dr. Essaka Joshua, who conducts and supervises academic research in the area of disability studies. So this will be first and foremost an academic conference put on by one of North America's most prestigious institutions of higher learning. To that end, papers about the literary and historical significance of blindness through the ages will be formally presented by scholars from universities both in the USA and in Europe. Athletically-minded attendees and parents of blind swimmers will be able to see first-hand a brand-new, highly affordable navigational aid called AdapTap that blind swimmers may use to keep their bearings in the often confusing and fast-moving environment of a swimming pool. Attached to this message are both a flier and a poster describing the formal part of this symposium. These are official promotional pieces created at Notre Dame, and both the flier and poster are suitable for immediate handout or mounted display. They are accessible to blind computer users as well, if opened in any version of Adobe Reader or Adobe Acrobat identified as 7.x or later, in conjunction with either JAWS for Windows or Window-Eyes screen reading software. In addition, there is a second aspect to the March 6 symposium, intended to line up with the practical needs of teachers or members of the blind community: Following Dr. Maurer's time in the spotlight and a brief lunch break, the afternoon will feature a technology fair that runs concurrently with the last three paper presentations. As a part of that tech fair, we will present four focused seminars of practical and educational significance to special education teachers, vocational rehabilitation professionals, blind persons, and family members or friends of blind persons. The lineup for these presentations, as it stands now, is as follows: 2:00 PM: Select members from the leadership team of GW Micro (makers of the BrailleSense Plus notetaker and the Window-Eyes screen reading program, based in Fort Wayne, Indiana). 3:00 PM: Wade Wingler of the Easter Seals Crossroads Assistive Technology Center in Indianapolis. Wade discusses the new INDATA Project making technology affordable for members of the disabled community who earn a low income and/or who do not qualify for direct state funding assistance. 4:00 PM: The Sendero Group, featuring accessible GPS solutions and other leading-edge portable technology for the blind. 5:00 PM: Hadley School for the Blind, based in Winnetka, Illinois. Hadley has provided distance learning opportunities in Braille, in large print, and now online, for nearly 90 years to blind citizens of more than 100 countries. In addition to the presenters listed above, we are expecting demonstration/informational booths to be staffed by adec Inc., Bosma Enterprises, Cross Roads-Easter Seals, Eye Can See, GW Micro, Hadley School for the Blind, the Indiana Talking Book and Braille Library, the National Federation of the Blind of Indiana, Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic, Sendero Group, and the Social Security Administration, among others. Last but not least, we hope to get a sneak peek at some experimental navigational technology not yet released to the general public that is being developed and tested in the nations that make up the European Union. At least one of these experimental devices never has been seen before in North America. Attached to this message is a detailed description of these and all other exhibitors who have agreed thus far to participate. The description is formatted so that it should open in any version of Microsoft Word released since the year 1998. Both the academic conference and the technology fair will be open at no charge to the general public. But because space in the auditorium and demonstration rooms is limited, registration is strongly encouraged. If you wish to attend, or if you have a question relating specifically to the academic portion of the March 6 program, please send a message to BlindnessSymposium@gmail.com. For more information about the technology fair portion of the afternoon's proceedings, you are encouraged to write personally to one or both of the co-coordinators: Kane Brolin kbrolin65@gmail.com or Lori Miller Lori@asmodean.net. Sincerely, Kane Brolin Office: (5..., Ext. 1 Mobile: (574)386-8868 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Blindness Symp Hndt-final3 (1).pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 838348 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Blindness Symposium poster.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 1182574 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Exhibitor Descriptions 2009.doc Type: application/msword Size: 34304 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hadi at illinois.edu Fri Feb 6 08:14:16 2009 From: hadi at illinois.edu (Hadi Rangin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:20 2018 Subject: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. References: Message-ID: I just wanted to add to what Patrick and Sean said. For online forum, the best method would be to use a combination of (ordered) list and proper heading to the beginning of each responses. For regular e-mailing, it is very important that: 1. you quote only the section of the original e-mail that you want to respond and delete all extra surrounding text. 2. you do not re-attach your signature file over and over. Most e-mail programs/webmail application have an option to disable this feature. 3. when forwarding an e-mail, you remove all unnecessary e-mail headers. Keep only From, To/CC (if there are just a few), and subject line. I guarantee that screen reader users will appreciate and be more eager to read your e-mails if they are cleaner. Hadi ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.A. Draffan" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:22 PM Subject: [Athen] Best practise for threads in discussions. > This is a question I have just received and my feeling is that we need to > get better at using subject lines correctly, but please can anyone give me > some pointers to good practice. > > "I've been asked what would be the best way of conveying nesting structure > to screenreader users so that they could understand whether a reply was to > the original message in the thread or to a subsequent message. Do you have > any opinions or resources on that issue?" > > Many thanks. > > Best wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Learning Societies Lab, > ECS, University of Southampton, > Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 > http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk > http://www.emptech.info > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From weston.taylor at live.coloradocollege.edu Fri Feb 6 12:42:04 2009 From: weston.taylor at live.coloradocollege.edu (Weston Taylor) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:20 2018 Subject: [Athen] portable DNS? In-Reply-To: <1233949332.770680.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> References: , <1233949332.770680.alphamail@mailapps1.uoregon.edu> Message-ID: <8B950F1547CD8B46833115EDC7A81D901168C3B2DD@BL2PRD0101MB014.prod.exchangelabs.com> There are incredibly small computers out there. For example, the new netbooks are smaller than most text books and could run DNS; the OQO model 2+ is about the size of a PDA, but is a full-powered computer. Weston Taylor Academic Technology Specialist for Students Colorado College 719-389-6159 ________________________________________ From: James Bailey [jbailey@uoregon.edu] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:42 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] portable DNS? A few years back, we outfitted a grad student with a laptop and DNS and it truly saved the day. She used it for everything including field notes for practice teaching. I will say, that various factors contribute to the success or failure of such an implementation and in our case all the stars were properly aligned. It also helped that there was absolutely positively no other option. At least consider a laptop. -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1501 Kincaid St. Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 12:53:52 -0600, "Kelmer, Susan M." wrote: > > > Oh my great and powerful colleagues?I need to pick your brains. > > I had a potential student stop by to ask about accommodations, as he is thinking about signing up for classes. His presenting difficulties are with writing, and he had done his research, and asked about DNS and Inspiration. Good on him. He asked if there was a portable version of DNS, one that could be carried on a USB device that he could take to different places he might need to be using a computer. > > What a great idea. But preliminary research shows me there is really nothing out there. Has anyone heard of anything or have any amazing ideas how we might be able to make something work for this guy? > > Susan Kelmer > Adaptive Technology Specialist/ > Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms > St. Louis Community College - Meramec > 314-984-7951 > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron at ahead.org Mon Feb 9 06:11:08 2009 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Join us for the Blindness Symposium; March 6 Message-ID: <0b7001c98ac0$41449f60$c3cdde20$@org> Some of you may be interested in this event. Ron -----Original Message----- From: Lori [mailto:twilight2@kconline.com] Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:40 PM To: ron@ahead.org Subject: Join us for the Blindness Symposium; March 6 Ron, Can you assist me in getting this posted to the ATHEN mailing list and anywhere else that might be appropriate. There is a lot of content in this event that may have appeal for a number of folks. I sent it a couple of days ago and I received a message that the moderator was reviewing. I know it is a lot, so if you see fit to cut it down or remove some of the attachments, please let me know. Also, I am one of the coordinators for the exhibit room and if anyone would like a table, please have them contact me. We're getting close to capacity, but there's a possability we could add. There is no charge to attend or to be an exhbiter. Thank you, Lori M. Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori" To: "O M" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:19 PM Subject: [visionrehabtherapist] Join us for the Blindness Symposium; March 6 > Please share this as appropriate. There are a few attachments with more > details and you can always contact me with additional questions. Our > line-up > continues to grow! > > > > > > > > This note is meant to announce that a high-profile blindness symposium is > to > occur in McKenna Hall on the campus of The University of Notre Dame on > Fri., 6 March, 2009, from 9:00-5:45. Please forward to > anyone you believe might have an interest in this, perhaps posting an > advisory in any newsletter or podcast to which you contribute. > > Because the greater South Bend, Indiana, area is reasonably close to > Chicagoland, southern Michigan, Indianapolis, and Ohio, a significant > number > of persons will potentially find it feasible to attend. The highest > profile > facets of this event are the > keynote address by Dr. Marc Maurer, president of the National > Federation of the Blind; and the presence of Olympic gold medal-winning > swimmer and entrepreneur Adolph Kiefer. Dr. Maurer will be on center > stage roughly from 10:45 A.M. to 12:30 P.M and will speak directly to > the enormous gap that remains in respect to employment of the blind in > 21st century America. Kiefer will participate while a paper on a new > swimming > navigational aid for the blind is presented at 3:30 in the afternoon. > > Another noteworthy fact is that this upcoming symposium has been > created at Notre Dame and is being administered by an ND > special professional named Dr. Essaka Joshua, who conducts and supervises > academic > research in the area of disability studies. So this will be first and > foremost an academic conference put on by one of North America's most > prestigious institutions of higher learning. To that end, papers about > the > literary and > historical significance of blindness through the ages will be formally > presented by scholars from universities both in the USA and in Europe. > Athletically-minded attendees and parents of blind swimmers will be able > to > see first-hand a brand-new, highly affordable navigational aid called > AdapTap that blind swimmers may use to keep their bearings in the often > confusing and fast-moving > environment of a swimming pool. Attached to this message are both a flier > and a poster describing the formal part of this symposium. These are > official promotional pieces created at Notre Dame, and both the flier and > poster are suitable for immediate handout or mounted display. They are > accessible to blind computer users as well, if opened in any version of > Adobe Reader or Adobe Acrobat identified as 7.x or later, in conjunction > with either JAWS for Windows or Window-Eyes screen reading software. > > > > In addition, there is a second aspect to the March 6 symposium, intended > to > line up with the practical needs of teachers or members of the blind > community: Following Dr. Maurer's time in the spotlight and a brief lunch > break, the afternoon will feature a technology fair that > runs concurrently with the last three paper presentations. As a > part of that tech fair, we will present four focused seminars of > practical and educational significance to special education teachers, > vocational rehabilitation professionals, blind persons, and family members > or friends of blind persons. The lineup for these presentations, as it > stands now, is as follows: > > 2:00 PM: Select members from the leadership team of GW Micro (makers of > the > BrailleSense Plus notetaker and the Window-Eyes screen reading program, > based in Fort Wayne, Indiana). > > 3:00 PM: Wade Wingler of the Easter Seals Crossroads Assistive > Technology Center in Indianapolis. Wade discusses the new INDATA > Project making technology affordable for members of the disabled > community who earn a low income and/or who do not qualify for direct > state funding assistance. > > 4:00 PM: The Sendero Group, featuring accessible GPS solutions and > other leading-edge portable technology for the blind. > > 5:00 PM: Hadley School for the Blind, based in Winnetka, Illinois. > Hadley has provided distance learning opportunities in Braille, in > large print, and now online, for nearly 90 years to blind citizens of > more than 100 countries. > > In addition to the presenters listed above, we are expecting > demonstration/informational booths to be staffed by adec Inc., Bosma > Enterprises, Cross Roads-Easter Seals, Eye Can See, GW Micro, Hadley > School > for the Blind, the Indiana Talking Book and Braille Library, the National > Federation of the Blind of Indiana, Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic, > Sendero Group, and the Social Security Administration, among others. > > Last but not least, we hope to get a sneak peek at some experimental > navigational technology not yet released to the general public that is > being > developed and tested in > the nations that make up the European Union. At least one of these > experimental devices never has been seen before in North America. > Attached > to this message is a detailed description of these and all other > exhibitors > who have agreed thus far to participate. The description is formatted so > that it should open in any version of Microsoft Word released since the > year > 1998. > > > > Both the academic conference and the technology fair will be open at > no charge to the general public. But because space in the auditorium and > demonstration rooms is limited, registration is strongly encouraged. > > > > If you wish to attend, or if you have a question relating specifically to > the academic portion of the March 6 program, please send a message to > BlindnessSymposium@gmail.com. > > > > For more information about the technology fair portion of the afternoon's > proceedings, you are encouraged to write personally to one or both of the > co-coordinators: Kane Brolin kbrolin65@gmail.com or Lori Miller > Lori@asmodean.net. > > Sincerely, > > Kane Brolin > Office: (5..., Ext. 1 > Mobile: (574)386-8868 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1935 - Release Date: 02/03/09 17:48:00 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some improvements that were interesting were: - Adjustable Text Size Font size is adjustable for up to six different settings. No word on whether or not you can change the font itself, but at least the size is (somewhat) adjustable. - Read To Me feature The Kindle 2 now has text-to-speech capability with the option of either a male or female voice. No word as to what speech engine or how the voices sound, so it will be interesting to see what has been implemented. Note - the addition of text-to-speech is for the content text and does not seem to extend to system menus, etc. - Built in dictionary Dictionary is The New Oxford American Dictionary and allows the user to navigate to any word on the page and the dictionary will show the information at the bottom of the screen. - Bookmarks and Annotations Users can specify a bookmark on a page to return to the specific page later as well as add annotations to the page using the keyboard (annotations can be exported). You can also highlight content as well. It is not clear if you can highlight page content and export that along with your notes. While it does support a number of different file formats (MS Word, HTML, PDF, etc.) it is a bit convoluted to get these files onto the device. Would also be nice if it supported DAISY or at least ePub. In any case, it appears as if it has a few more improvements but will be interesting to see how it actually functions in the real world (i.e., with students). Take care, Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmhaven at stanford.edu Mon Feb 9 10:46:58 2009 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kindle 2 pros and cons for students? Message-ID: Hi, all! Amazon released their Kindle 2 this morning -- a neat improvement over the first generation model. Find a summary at this link, including some videos of the device in use: http://tinyurl.com/amazon-kindle-2-summary I'm interested to know what others think of the pros and cons of this device for students with LD issues. On the one hand, it now has text-to-speech built in, and there's the "cool factor" which makes it more likely to be used as a piece of mainstream technology (vs. being "assistive technology"). On the down side, I don't believe words are highlighted as they are read aloud, and it's not clear what the limits are on uploading your own material and what you can do with it. (Apparently you can view the documents -- PDFs, Word, and others -- but can you listen to them? The summary doesn't say.) I look forward to seeing someone put Kindle 2 through its paces when it's officially released in a couple of weeks. - Shelley ------------ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant Sunnyvale, CA 408-737-2092 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Mon Feb 9 11:19:34 2009 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] Job Announcement Saddleback College Message-ID: <0CAB28E5F01C439AA06CDEC68D37FBD8@htctu.fhda.edu> Greetings! I want to make you aware of job postings in DSPS at Saddleback College. Please post and pass along the information. Thank you! Ardith Lynch, Coordinator Saddleback College 949-582-4750 ************** Learning Disability Instructor (Assistive Computer Technology) (FT Tenure Track) Div of Counseling Svcs & Special Program, DSPS 10 month Instruct classes in assistive computer technology for students with a wide range of disabilities, as well as developmental and compensatory strategy classes for students with learning disabilities. Maintain knowledge of current trends and developments in assistive technology. Evaluate functional limitations, skills and abilities of students and recommend appropriate disability related accommodations. Provide instructional consultation across college disciplines in the integration of assistive computer technology and access to print and electronic media throughout the campus for students with disabilities. Participate in general faculty functions related to the educational program and services. Assignment may include day, evening and/or weekend hours. **************** Lead Interpreter Div of Counseling Svcs & Special Program, DSPS 20 hours per week, $35.00/hour. Under the direction of the Coordinators of Disabled Student Programs and Services, coordinate and supervise personnel who provide accommodations such as sign and oral interpreting, assistive listening devices, real time captioning, and note taking for students who are deaf or hard of hearing in the district. Plan, prioritize, assign, supervise, and review the work of staff responsible for providing interpreting services for the deaf and hard of hearing students enrolled in college classes, and events on campus. Recruit, select and supervise interpreters and real time captioners; provide or coordinate staff training; work with employees to correct deficiencies; implement personnel procedures. Schedule real-time captioners for students, as needed. The position requires a minimum of 2 years or 1,500 hours of interpreting experience with deaf and hard of hearing students in an instructional or related setting. National certification (Registry of Interpreters for the Deaf (RID) or National Association of the Deaf (NAD) IV or higher level). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pratikp1 at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 11:32:00 2009 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] New Amazon Kindle released In-Reply-To: <49907803.9020201@stanford.edu> References: <49907803.9020201@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <002501c98aed$14c05100$3e40f300$@com> The speech engine used by Kindle 2 appears to be Nuance' voices. With the device of that size, I would estimate these voices to be the Nuance vocalizer voices with a small footprint. These are the same voices used by the Victor Stream and the Plextalk Pocket. From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:38 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; Alternate Media Subject: [Athen] New Amazon Kindle released Just an FYI - Amazon has released the new version of the Kindle. More information is available at the Amazon site (http://tinyurl.com/afddgh) as well as at Engadget (http://tinyurl.com/btzncn). Some improvements that were interesting were: - Adjustable Text Size Font size is adjustable for up to six different settings. No word on whether or not you can change the font itself, but at least the size is (somewhat) adjustable. - Read To Me feature The Kindle 2 now has text-to-speech capability with the option of either a male or female voice. No word as to what speech engine or how the voices sound, so it will be interesting to see what has been implemented. Note - the addition of text-to-speech is for the content text and does not seem to extend to system menus, etc. - Built in dictionary Dictionary is The New Oxford American Dictionary and allows the user to navigate to any word on the page and the dictionary will show the information at the bottom of the screen. - Bookmarks and Annotations Users can specify a bookmark on a page to return to the specific page later as well as add annotations to the page using the keyboard (annotations can be exported). You can also highlight content as well. It is not clear if you can highlight page content and export that along with your notes. While it does support a number of different file formats (MS Word, HTML, PDF, etc.) it is a bit convoluted to get these files onto the device. Would also be nice if it supported DAISY or at least ePub. In any case, it appears as if it has a few more improvements but will be interesting to see how it actually functions in the real world (i.e., with students). 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Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at kckcc.edu Thu Feb 12 09:08:29 2009 From: rbeach at kckcc.edu (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kindle 2 Already Receiving Publisher Heat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4994032D020000CF00027872@mymail.kckcc.edu> You go! If people weren't so worried about grabbing every little penny, they wouldn't be so quick to yell before they know the details. I'm surprised they haven't tried to shutdown the used book stores around the country. BTW, who says we don't have the right to read a book outloud? That's rediculous. I realize we don't necessarily have the right to read a book outloud to an audience, but does that include reading outloud to ourselves or even to our children or a family member? Do we even have the right to show a passage from the book to a friend or must the friend go purchase a copy for himself/herself to legally read the passage we found to be interesting? I think if this technology were limited to the disability community, there would be less fuss. However, thinking that the general public will be benefitting from the technology without paying for it really buggs some folks. Well, bug away! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: (913) 288-7671 Fax: (913) 288-7678 E-mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu >>> "Kelmer, Susan M." 2/12/2009 10:29 AM >>> Check out my rant on the ATHEN blog this morning (http://athenpro.blogspot.com/). The Author's Guild is already crying foul about the Kindle 2's text-to-speech function and how it is derivative work and therefore a copyright infringement. And the device hasn't even been released for sale yet! I'd love for every author, publisher, editor, etc. who brings up copyright infringement issues like this to have to experience life as our students do for a week. They might not be so quick to be worried about text-to-speech functionality stealing their copyrights if they did. Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Thu Feb 12 09:48:24 2009 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] Even Neil Gaiman agrees with me Message-ID: Check out his blog, he is commenting on his literary's agent's misguided take on the Amazon Kindle 2's text-to-speech "dangers." http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/02/quick-argument-summary.html Neil Gaiman gets it. He always has. 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Please submit your papers of approximately 5-10 pages (double-spaced) via email to Teresa.Haven@asu.edu. Papers should conform to APA composition standards (http://www.apastyle.org/) as well as using proper (word processor) style tags. Questions are welcome and may be directed to the same email address. Submission deadline is March 31, 2009. Your Friendly ATHEN Publications Committee Chair, Teresa Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. Alternate Format Supervisor Disability Resource Center Arizona State University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Clark.Hochstetler at unlv.edu Fri Feb 13 16:03:04 2009 From: Clark.Hochstetler at unlv.edu (Clark.Hochstetler@unlv.edu) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] Clark Hochstetler is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 02/13/2009 and will not return until 02/17/2009. Sorry I am not available. 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While many colleges are creating e-text for students with print disabilities, many more are unaware of the process and requirements of creating e-text. Join us for this unique two-day institute on best practices in creating electronic text and working with publishers of academic materials. The presenters, who are proven experts in assistive technology, will address the topic of e-text production and provision by teaching skills in the use of e-text and best practices, exploring ways to work with publishers regarding copyright and security issues, and providing "hands on" training in the creation of e-text from print material using models developed in a variety of programs around the country The two-day training will address the needs of both administrators and practitioners so the potential impact of the institute will be significant. AHEAD E-Text Institute - Advanced- Thursday, March 5 2008 and Friday, March 6, 2008 Day 3 Advanced Training part 1 Day 4 Advanced Training part 2 Audience: Intermediate Advanced Training (attendance in previous Beginning Training required) Building on the beginning training, this additional two day workshop will build on the previous content. We will explore advanced management topics, dealing with Publisher produced content and the creation and archival of content and advanced editing techniques. This presentation will build upon the original content in the areas of production management, material creation and management of materials from other sources and providers. Participants in this two day workshop will explore ways to work with publisher provided materials, and in the hands on lab, the creation of e-text from digital materials using models developed in a variety of programs around the country. The trainers expectation is that participants will have participated in the first AHEAD E-Text Institute. Rates: Beginning Training Only.................$200.00 Advanced Training Only.................$200.00 Beginning and Advanced Training..$300.00 More information, including online registration, directions to CUA and hotel information can be found on our website: http://disabilityservices.cua.edu/News_CurrentEvents.cfm Emily Singer Director Disability Support Services The Catholic University of America 620 Michigan Ave NE 207 Pryzbyla Center Washington, DC 20064 202-319-5211 phone 202-319-5126 fax singere@cua.edu http://disabilityservices.cua.edu This message may contain information that is confidential. It is intended for the addressee(s) named herein. Any unauthorized use of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify me and delete this message immediately. 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Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:59 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] meetings / get-togethers planned for CSUN Hello All: Are there any ATHEN meetings or events scheduled for CSUN? -Howard -- Howard Kramer AHG Conference Coordinator Access Specialist 303-492-8672 fax: 492-5601 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dann at digilifemedia.biz Mon Feb 16 14:19:19 2009 From: dann at digilifemedia.biz (Dann Berkowitz) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] meetings / get-togethers planned for CSUN In-Reply-To: <004201c98f75$7e174690$7a45d3b0$@org> Message-ID: <28207994.10351234822759245.JavaMail.root@zimbra.digilifemedia.biz> As the Secretary I have organized these over the past few years. Unfortunately I will not be in attendance this year. Running your own business means having to make such choice - but I also understand that if I was still working full time there would be no money in the budget this year. Have fun in the sun and someone make an In-and-Out run for me! -------------------- Daniel Berkowitz Digilife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: ?978-914-4601 e-mail: dann @ digilifemedia .biz web: www . digilifemedia .biz ----- "Ron Stewart" < ron @ahead.org> wrote: | From: "Ron Stewart" < ron @ahead.org> | To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" < athen @ athenpro .org> | Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:58:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern | Subject: Re: [ Athen ] meetings / get-togethers planned for CSUN | | | There should be but no one has organized one yet that I am aware of. Ron | From: athen -bounces@ athenpro .org [ mailto : athen -bounces@ athenpro .org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer | Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:59 PM | To: Access Technology Higher Education Network | Subject: [ Athen ] meetings / get-togethers planned for CSUN Hello All: | | Are there any ATHEN meetings or events scheduled for CSUN ? | | -Howard | -- | Howard Kramer | AHG Conference Coordinator | Access Specialist | 303-492-8672 | fax: 492-5601 | _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen @ athenpro .org http :// athenpro .org/mailman/ listinfo / athen _ athenpro .org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tft at u.washington.edu Mon Feb 16 16:34:42 2009 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terrill Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] meetings / get-togethers planned for CSUN In-Reply-To: <28207994.10351234822759245.JavaMail.root@zimbra.digilifemedia.biz> References: <004201c98f75$7e174690$7a45d3b0$@org> <28207994.10351234822759245.JavaMail.root@zimbra.digilifemedia.biz> Message-ID: <003f01c99097$86c10d30$94432790$@washington.edu> According to the ATHEN by-laws, planning for meetings is the job of the Program Committee (7.2.3) and the Vice President is charged with working with the Program Committee (5.3.2). So, is there a Program Committee? I suspect not, but just to be sure it would be nice to have a current list of committees and their members on the ATHEN website, as well as minutes from the Boulder meeting (take note, Web Development Committee!) In the absence of a Program Committee, meeting planning would seem to be the task of the Vice President, but I'm not 100% sure who that is. I don't think the election results have been certified, have they? If not, Dan Comden and/or Pratik Patel are still VP. Meanwhile, I'm hanging out here like Al Franken, waiting to take office. I saw in the news though that Al has been holding meetings and conducting business as if he were senator, much to his opponent's displeasure. So maybe I should follow Al's lead and do vice presidential things like organize a CSUN meeting. If there is anyone out there who is interested in serving on, or is already serving on, the Program Committee to help with meeting logistics, please let me know. Thanks, Terry Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology UW Technology Services University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Dann Berkowitz Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 2:19 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] meetings / get-togethers planned for CSUN As the Secretary I have organized these over the past few years. Unfortunately I will not be in attendance this year. Running your own business means having to make such choice - but I also understand that if I was still working full time there would be no money in the budget this year. Have fun in the sun and someone make an In-and-Out run for me! -------------------- Daniel Berkowitz Digilife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz ----- "Ron Stewart" wrote: | From: "Ron Stewart" | To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" | Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:58:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern | Subject: Re: [Athen] meetings / get-togethers planned for CSUN | | | There should be but no one has organized one yet that I am aware of. Ron | From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer | Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:59 PM | To: Access Technology Higher Education Network | Subject: [Athen] meetings / get-togethers planned for CSUN Hello All: | | Are there any ATHEN meetings or events scheduled for CSUN? | | -Howard | -- | Howard Kramer | AHG Conference Coordinator | Access Specialist | 303-492-8672 | fax: 492-5601 | _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Mon Feb 16 16:49:50 2009 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] meetings / get-togethers planned for CSUN In-Reply-To: <003f01c99097$86c10d30$94432790$@washington.edu> References: <004201c98f75$7e174690$7a45d3b0$@org> <28207994.10351234822759245.JavaMail.root@zimbra.digilifemedia.biz> <003f01c99097$86c10d30$94432790$@washington.edu> Message-ID: <012101c99099$a3fd6ae0$ebf840a0$@org> Thanks for volunteering Terry J. As far as the committees go I believe the secretary was the keeper of that info but is also waiting the finalized election results. Seems we have some Frankenstein?s. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Terrill Thompson Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] meetings / get-togethers planned for CSUN According to the ATHEN by-laws, planning for meetings is the job of the Program Committee (7.2.3) and the Vice President is charged with working with the Program Committee (5.3.2). So, is there a Program Committee? I suspect not, but just to be sure it would be nice to have a current list of committees and their members on the ATHEN website, as well as minutes from the Boulder meeting (take note, Web Development Committee!) In the absence of a Program Committee, meeting planning would seem to be the task of the Vice President, but I'm not 100% sure who that is. I don't think the election results have been certified, have they? If not, Dan Comden and/or Pratik Patel are still VP. Meanwhile, I'm hanging out here like Al Franken, waiting to take office. I saw in the news though that Al has been holding meetings and conducting business as if he were senator, much to his opponent's displeasure. So maybe I should follow Al's lead and do vice presidential things like organize a CSUN meeting. If there is anyone out there who is interested in serving on, or is already serving on, the Program Committee to help with meeting logistics, please let me know. Thanks, Terry Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology UW Technology Services University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Dann Berkowitz Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 2:19 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] meetings / get-togethers planned for CSUN As the Secretary I have organized these over the past few years. Unfortunately I will not be in attendance this year. Running your own business means having to make such choice - but I also understand that if I was still working full time there would be no money in the budget this year. Have fun in the sun and someone make an In-and-Out run for me! -------------------- Daniel Berkowitz Digilife Media, LLC 1 Bryant Avenue Bradford, MA 01835-7424 phone: 978-914-4601 e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz ----- "Ron Stewart" wrote: | From: "Ron Stewart" | To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" | Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:58:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern | Subject: Re: [Athen] meetings / get-togethers planned for CSUN | | | There should be but no one has organized one yet that I am aware of. Ron | From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer | Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:59 PM | To: Access Technology Higher Education Network | Subject: [Athen] meetings / get-togethers planned for CSUN Hello All: | | Are there any ATHEN meetings or events scheduled for CSUN? | | -Howard | -- | Howard Kramer | AHG Conference Coordinator | Access Specialist | 303-492-8672 | fax: 492-5601 | _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norm.coombs at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 08:13:04 2009 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] Webinar on AFB survey on e-learning accessibility Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20090217081108.022a9630@pop.gmail.com> EASI Webinar: Distance Learning: How Accessible are Online Educational Tools. Public Webinar on Wednesday. February 25 at 2 PM Eastern Presenters: Dr. Stacy Kelly, Policy Research Associate, American Foundation for the Blind. Mark Richert, Esq., Director, Public Policy, American Foundation for the Blind. The American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) explored ways in which popular online educational tools can be made more accessible with the help of nearly 100 individuals who recently completed our online survey. Findings indicated the most important and necessary features of online educational tools present significant problems for those using assistive technology such as screen reading or screen magnification software. In this webinar, we will be discussing the AFB Distance Learning Survey results You can register for this public Webinar from the EASI Webinar page: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm ***** Note that in March EASI has a month-long, instructor-led course taught through Blackboard on accessible e-learning. Read more and register for this tuition-based course at: http://easi.cc/workshops/bfel.htm Norm From hascherdss at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 12:38:44 2009 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] Mac equivalent to AMIS Message-ID: <6e0d34c90902171238j4e440720w1a1ba12950771657@mail.gmail.com> Happy Tuesday afternoon, one and all! Is there a Mac software - preferably free - that's equivalent to AMIS??? Once again, I extend my humble gratitude in advance for any assistance you may provide :-) Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 479.575.7445 fax 479.575.3646 tdd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at stanford.edu Tue Feb 17 12:53:20 2009 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] Mac equivalent to AMIS In-Reply-To: <6e0d34c90902171238j4e440720w1a1ba12950771657@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e0d34c90902171238j4e440720w1a1ba12950771657@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <499B23C0.2020908@stanford.edu> Hi Heidi, > Is there a Mac software - preferably free - that's equivalent to AMIS??? Have you taken a look at Olearia - http://www.cucat.org/projects/olearia/ ? It is a free, DAISY player for the Mac. It is still in a public beta format and requires OS X 10.5, but it may be something to follow. take care, sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hascherdss at gmail.com Tue Feb 17 12:57:42 2009 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] Mac equivalent to AMIS In-Reply-To: <499B23C0.2020908@stanford.edu> References: <6e0d34c90902171238j4e440720w1a1ba12950771657@mail.gmail.com> <499B23C0.2020908@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <6e0d34c90902171257s76a333b0rc4113c255a17fd13@mail.gmail.com> That might just be what the student is needing! (She just got a new Mac about a month ago.) THANKS, Sean! Heidi On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Sean Keegan wrote: > Hi Heidi, > > > Is there a Mac software - preferably free - that's equivalent to AMIS??? > > Have you taken a look at Olearia - http://www.cucat.org/projects/olearia/? > > It is a free, DAISY player for the Mac. It is still in a public beta > format and requires OS X 10.5, but it may be something to follow. > > take care, > sean > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Vasquez at sbcc.edu Tue Feb 17 14:23:51 2009 From: Vasquez at sbcc.edu (Laurie Vasquez) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] Apple settles disability lawsuit over San Francisco store Message-ID: <499AC876.1869.00F8.0@sbcc.edu> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/02/17/apple_settles_disability_lawsuit_over_san_francisco_store.html From Teresa.Haven at asu.edu Wed Feb 18 15:21:22 2009 From: Teresa.Haven at asu.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] Online requests for services Message-ID: <0D41DFE921DACE439289A5E629BDB66C035CE094@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Aloha, all. Is anyone offering online requests for services, such as a link from your department homepage where registered students can request testing, textbook conversion, or other service-type accommodations? If you do, could you please reply to me off-list with basic information such as your homepage address, what types of accommodations you do/do not accept online, and most importantly how your system is working for you and what you might change if you could? Although we currently offer electronic request forms, we do not link to them online; we would like to learn from the experiences of other institutions before we make this transition. Many thanks in advance! Teresa Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. Alternate Format Supervisor Disability Resource Center Arizona State University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Christopher.Kinney at gpc.edu Thu Feb 19 06:09:00 2009 From: Christopher.Kinney at gpc.edu (Christopher E Kinney) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] Caption Mic In-Reply-To: <0D41DFE921DACE439289A5E629BDB66C035CE094@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> References: <0D41DFE921DACE439289A5E629BDB66C035CE094@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: Hi Guys, Our college is looking to use Caption Mic for our captioning needs. Has anyone had any experience of using it? From what I've read I'm assuming it's to provide real time captioning for online audio output. Can it be used for video? What is the rate of accuracy from audio output to captioning? Thanks, Christopher Kinney Assistive Technology Coordinator Center for Disability Services Georgia Perimeter College 555 N. Indian Creek Drive Clarkston GA 30021 TEL: 678-891-3385 FAX: 404-298-3830 Caption Mic -remote captioning for CART and Distance Learning. Creating classroom access for a deaf and hard of hearing student has always been an expensive and challenging proposition. Caption Mic changes that. Caption Mic gives you control over the resources, costs and process of creating captions for individual students and distance learning classes. Our newest feature allows the voice captioner (VC) to work outside of the classroom. They can be at a central spot on campus, in their own homes or across the country. This gives you greater flexibility and more options to provide CART services. And it provides your students with the access that they need and the independence and anonymity they deserve. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT1gRe7gx2o How does it work? Caption Mic can use your existing Distance Learning platform or platforms such as Elluminate to create a path for both the classroom audio and the caption data. The VC hears the audio and creates the captions. The captions appear on the student notebook computer. Additional benefits. The caption data can be saved as notes for the student and can also be used to create caption files for both your live and your on-demand distance learning classes. A further benefit of captioning your media is the ability to index and search your media based on the timed caption data. Caption Mic - the basics Caption Mic has been in use in classrooms since 2004. A person (voice captioner) trains the software to their voice and then repeats what the speakers are saying in a class. The captions can be displayed in a variety of manners. The VC adds punctuation verbally, identifies speakers and adds vocabulary as necessary. The VC can be an existing staff member or a new hire. 100% of all native speakers can create a voice profile in under two hours. 60 to 70% of people have the innate ability to mimic or repeat what they hear. Training time varies from person to person. Some do very well within two days and others need to practice for several weeks. Typical labor rates for a Caption Mic VC range from $10 to $15 per hour. What is required: Captioner in the classroom Caption Mic software Windows computer with XP Pro mask microphone Remote captioner Caption Mic software Windows computer with XP Pro headset microphone (VC) wireless microphone (classroom) Student wireless notebook (Mac or PC) High speed internet access for both the VC and the classroom Caption Mic helps you decrease your costs and increase access for your hearing impaired students. For more information on Caption Mic please watch our videos on YouTube: Caption Mic - Remote captioning for CART and Distance Learning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT1gRe7gx2o Caption Mic Classroom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTz-AZI57Ss Caption Mic - Postproduction Captioning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6jEuubcZLE All of our YouTube videos are captioned using Caption Mic and Caption Wrap. Please contact me if I can be of further service. Regards, Mark Hall Mark Hall Sales Associates LLC 203-574-5128 419-574-5125 (fax) www.mhsa.us mark@mhsa.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Thu Feb 19 10:43:22 2009 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Caption Mic In-Reply-To: References: <0D41DFE921DACE439289A5E629BDB66C035CE094@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <426106591BBD44C3B7C662357183A6C0@htctu.fhda.edu> It's Dragon NaturallySpeaking with some added bells and whistles. It can be used for real time captioning, as well as to create transcripts for videos. The rate of accuracy is totally dependent on how clearly the person speaking enunciates and how well s/he has trained Dragon. If you're considering purchasing it, I would suggest trying Dragon by itself first. If you like the results with Dragon, you will probably be happy with the product. Do be aware, though, that the weak link with Caption Mic is finding and training someone to use it. The company does not offer adequate support in this area, in my opinion, and without trained personnel, the product is unusable. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The HTCTU provides leadership, training, and support to the California Community Colleges in using technology to promote the success of students with disabilities. _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Christopher E Kinney Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Caption Mic Hi Guys, Our college is looking to use Caption Mic for our captioning needs. Has anyone had any experience of using it? From what I've read I'm assuming it's to provide real time captioning for online audio output. Can it be used for video? What is the rate of accuracy from audio output to captioning? Thanks, Christopher Kinney Assistive Technology Coordinator Center for Disability Services Georgia Perimeter College 555 N. Indian Creek Drive Clarkston GA 30021 TEL: 678-891-3385 FAX: 404-298-3830 Caption Mic -remote captioning for CART and Distance Learning. Creating classroom access for a deaf and hard of hearing student has always been an expensive and challenging proposition. Caption Mic changes that. Caption Mic gives you control over the resources, costs and process of creating captions for individual students and distance learning classes. Our newest feature allows the voice captioner (VC) to work outside of the classroom. They can be at a central spot on campus, in their own homes or across the country. This gives you greater flexibility and more options to provide CART services. And it provides your students with the access that they need and the independence and anonymity they deserve. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT1gRe7gx2o How does it work? Caption Mic can use your existing Distance Learning platform or platforms such as Elluminate to create a path for both the classroom audio and the caption data. The VC hears the audio and creates the captions. The captions appear on the student notebook computer. Additional benefits. The caption data can be saved as notes for the student and can also be used to create caption files for both your live and your on-demand distance learning classes. A further benefit of captioning your media is the ability to index and search your media based on the timed caption data. Caption Mic - the basics Caption Mic has been in use in classrooms since 2004. A person (voice captioner) trains the software to their voice and then repeats what the speakers are saying in a class. The captions can be displayed in a variety of manners. The VC adds punctuation verbally, identifies speakers and adds vocabulary as necessary. The VC can be an existing staff member or a new hire. 100% of all native speakers can create a voice profile in under two hours. 60 to 70% of people have the innate ability to mimic or repeat what they hear. Training time varies from person to person. Some do very well within two days and others need to practice for several weeks. Typical labor rates for a Caption Mic VC range from $10 to $15 per hour. What is required: Captioner in the classroom Caption Mic software Windows computer with XP Pro mask microphone Remote captioner Caption Mic software Windows computer with XP Pro headset microphone (VC) wireless microphone (classroom) Student wireless notebook (Mac or PC) High speed internet access for both the VC and the classroom Caption Mic helps you decrease your costs and increase access for your hearing impaired students. For more information on Caption Mic please watch our videos on YouTube: Caption Mic - Remote captioning for CART and Distance Learning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT1gRe7gx2o Caption Mic Classroom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTz-AZI57Ss Caption Mic - Postproduction Captioning http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6jEuubcZLE All of our YouTube videos are captioned using Caption Mic and Caption Wrap. Please contact me if I can be of further service. Regards, Mark Hall Mark Hall Sales Associates LLC 203-574-5128 419-574-5125 (fax) www.mhsa.us mark@mhsa.us -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From askeladden at gmail.com Thu Feb 19 12:11:58 2009 From: askeladden at gmail.com (Mirabai Knight) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Caption Mic Message-ID: <7bea219b0902191211i69f138b2r97ac78fa71349cf1@mail.gmail.com> Full disclosure: I'm a stenographic CART provider, so I'm in direct competition with this sort of service. That said, I really recommend you get a live demonstration of this technology before you buy it. I work for a university whose disability accommodations department bought a system very like this one; I don't know whether or not it was exactly the same. I do know that it was a voice captioning system, that the disabilities coordinator hired ASL interpreters to train with it and use it (the student used hearing aids and her first language was English, but she understood ASL, and the school had been offering her interpreters because they had been unable to find a CART provider. She had gone through undergraduate school using remote stenographic CART, but told me that she preferred onsite CART to both remote CART and onsite ASL interpretation). It was a disaster for the student. The transcripts were apparently unreadable, and the captioning system (which, I got the impression, nearly broke the disability accommodations department's budget for the semester) is currently moldering in a cupboard. I started providing CART there immediately afterwards; this is my fourth semester with them. Now, speech recognition is a great technology, and it's particularly useful for those who can speak easily but find typing difficult; when someone is composing off the top of their head, they generally tend to speak at a slower rate than their ordinary conversational speed, and if they see that the program has made a mistake, they can easily stop and correct it. It's a very different situation when it comes to realtime transcription of someone else's speech, particularly in a university environment. There are several excellent voicewriters working today who are able to provide verbatim transcription, but they've put in thousands of hours training their voice, their software, and their transcription theory (coming up with consistently different ways to pronounce homophones, for instance; artificial technology is a long way from solving the "their/they're/there" problem, whatever they might claim). It's probably more difficult to find a truly verbatim voicewriter than it is to find a truly verbatim stenographic CART provider. They're quite rare, and they charge equivalent prices to stenographic CART. I like to say that voicewriters are to stenotypists as beatboxers are to drummers. They're both hard to do well, but with drums, after a few years of good solid practice, you'll be able to keep a beat to most songs you come across. To be a good beatboxer, you have to be fiendishly talented and practice fiendishly hard. Neither one is in danger of seriously superseding the other, but if I had to lay money on one in a John Henry-style battle, I'd put it on the drummer. The human hand is generally a more accurate instrument than the human voice for swift, accurate, repetitive motions. The one disadvantage of a voicewriter over a CART provider is that sound bleeds through their mask. As Caption Mic noted, that can be very distracting in an academic environment, and the solution they propose is to use remote captioning. Remote captioning, whether using stenographers or voicewriters, is a good solution when no one can be found to provide onsite services, but it has several drawbacks. Remote captioners can't read terminology written on Powerpoint slides or clarify unclear phrases at the student's request. I'm currently doing work for another university that hired a remote stenographic CART provider to caption some very technical classes for a Pharmacy student. One of the professors had a thick accent, spoke very quietly, used complex biochemical terminology, and taught in a classroom with thick concrete walls. I read some of the remote captioner's transcripts, and the captioner was clearly very skilled, but every third word was (inaudible); the Skype reception kept cutting out, the accent was indecipherable without being able to watch the professor's mouth and gestures, and none of the extensive information displayed on the screen was available for the remote captioner to make use of. Three weeks into the semester, I was called in to provide CART onsite, and the following semester the student requested me for all of his lecture classes. I'm honestly not just trying to blow my own horn here. I know CART providers are hard to find and sometimes can seem prohibitively expensive. But very often speech-to-text companies claim a lot more than they're able to deliver, and it's usually to the student's detriment. It's worth being a little cautious before laying out a lot of cash on something that might not be as good as it sounds. Good luck with whatever you wind up doing! I hope it's okay that I spoke up; I know I'm usually a lurker on this list, but I read the digests faithfully, and I'm very glad to be among you all. Yours, Mirabai Knight StenoKnight CART Services http://stenoknight.com From gdietrich at htctu.net Thu Feb 19 12:23:41 2009 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Caption Mic In-Reply-To: <7bea219b0902191211i69f138b2r97ac78fa71349cf1@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bea219b0902191211i69f138b2r97ac78fa71349cf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <02B2EB8562EB4BBAAADF5A82C043B46D@htctu.fhda.edu> I certainly appreciate you speaking up. I knew in theory that there would be difficulties (pretty much everything you said), but I did not know of any test cases. As you said, those selling speech recognition packages on top of Dragon often make claims far beyond what is possible. Interestingly, Nuance themselves does not make such claims for Dragon. That should tell us all something! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The HTCTU provides leadership, training, and support to the California Community Colleges in using technology to promote the success of students with disabilities. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Mirabai Knight Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:12 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Caption Mic Full disclosure: I'm a stenographic CART provider, so I'm in direct competition with this sort of service. That said, I really recommend you get a live demonstration of this technology before you buy it. I work for a university whose disability accommodations department bought a system very like this one; I don't know whether or not it was exactly the same. I do know that it was a voice captioning system, that the disabilities coordinator hired ASL interpreters to train with it and use it (the student used hearing aids and her first language was English, but she understood ASL, and the school had been offering her interpreters because they had been unable to find a CART provider. She had gone through undergraduate school using remote stenographic CART, but told me that she preferred onsite CART to both remote CART and onsite ASL interpretation). It was a disaster for the student. The transcripts were apparently unreadable, and the captioning system (which, I got the impression, nearly broke the disability accommodations department's budget for the semester) is currently moldering in a cupboard. I started providing CART there immediately afterwards; this is my fourth semester with them. Now, speech recognition is a great technology, and it's particularly useful for those who can speak easily but find typing difficult; when someone is composing off the top of their head, they generally tend to speak at a slower rate than their ordinary conversational speed, and if they see that the program has made a mistake, they can easily stop and correct it. It's a very different situation when it comes to realtime transcription of someone else's speech, particularly in a university environment. There are several excellent voicewriters working today who are able to provide verbatim transcription, but they've put in thousands of hours training their voice, their software, and their transcription theory (coming up with consistently different ways to pronounce homophones, for instance; artificial technology is a long way from solving the "their/they're/there" problem, whatever they might claim). It's probably more difficult to find a truly verbatim voicewriter than it is to find a truly verbatim stenographic CART provider. They're quite rare, and they charge equivalent prices to stenographic CART. I like to say that voicewriters are to stenotypists as beatboxers are to drummers. They're both hard to do well, but with drums, after a few years of good solid practice, you'll be able to keep a beat to most songs you come across. To be a good beatboxer, you have to be fiendishly talented and practice fiendishly hard. Neither one is in danger of seriously superseding the other, but if I had to lay money on one in a John Henry-style battle, I'd put it on the drummer. The human hand is generally a more accurate instrument than the human voice for swift, accurate, repetitive motions. The one disadvantage of a voicewriter over a CART provider is that sound bleeds through their mask. As Caption Mic noted, that can be very distracting in an academic environment, and the solution they propose is to use remote captioning. Remote captioning, whether using stenographers or voicewriters, is a good solution when no one can be found to provide onsite services, but it has several drawbacks. Remote captioners can't read terminology written on Powerpoint slides or clarify unclear phrases at the student's request. I'm currently doing work for another university that hired a remote stenographic CART provider to caption some very technical classes for a Pharmacy student. One of the professors had a thick accent, spoke very quietly, used complex biochemical terminology, and taught in a classroom with thick concrete walls. I read some of the remote captioner's transcripts, and the captioner was clearly very skilled, but every third word was (inaudible); the Skype reception kept cutting out, the accent was indecipherable without being able to watch the professor's mouth and gestures, and none of the extensive information displayed on the screen was available for the remote captioner to make use of. Three weeks into the semester, I was called in to provide CART onsite, and the following semester the student requested me for all of his lecture classes. I'm honestly not just trying to blow my own horn here. I know CART providers are hard to find and sometimes can seem prohibitively expensive. But very often speech-to-text companies claim a lot more than they're able to deliver, and it's usually to the student's detriment. It's worth being a little cautious before laying out a lot of cash on something that might not be as good as it sounds. Good luck with whatever you wind up doing! I hope it's okay that I spoke up; I know I'm usually a lurker on this list, but I read the digests faithfully, and I'm very glad to be among you all. Yours, Mirabai Knight StenoKnight CART Services http://stenoknight.com _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From tschwanke at wisc.edu Fri Feb 20 10:02:10 2009 From: tschwanke at wisc.edu (Todd Schwanke) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? In-Reply-To: <02B2EB8562EB4BBAAADF5A82C043B46D@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <7bea219b0902191211i69f138b2r97ac78fa71349cf1@mail.gmail.com> <02B2EB8562EB4BBAAADF5A82C043B46D@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <20090220120210599.00000003740@AT_Specialist> We have a professor who uses a hand written reader for his course that a student needs in audio format (either through recording or e-text). It is very neatly printed (not script), but has a slight italic look to it. Standard OCR attempts do OK on the blocky all caps titles, but when it gets to the paragraphs that look more like italic the recognition has too many errors to be edited. Before we engage on more manual attempts at converting this to e-text or a digital recording, does anyone have any software suggestions, tips/tricks, or processes that might work on fairly neat handwriting? We've tried FineReader & Scansoft settings in Kurzweil and Microsoft Document Imaging. I can email a snippet off-list if that is helpful to see. Thanks, Todd From goodman at eri-wi.org Fri Feb 20 10:12:04 2009 From: goodman at eri-wi.org (Phillip A. Goodman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? In-Reply-To: <20090220120210599.00000003740@AT_Specialist> References: <7bea219b0902191211i69f138b2r97ac78fa71349cf1@mail.gmail.com><02B2EB8562EB4BBAAADF5A82C043B46D@htctu.fhda.edu> <20090220120210599.00000003740@AT_Specialist> Message-ID: <07003080350746829EDE9229802645E8@eriwi.local> There is a product that I haven't tried for some years now so I can't vouch for it's performance. At the time I tried it you needed a fairly large sample and had to make manual corrections to improve the accuracy. Maybe it has improved. In any event they have a 14 demo so it couldn't hurt to try! http://www.charactell.com/SoftWriting.html Phillip A. Goodman B.S. OTR Assistive Technology Consultant Employment Resources, Inc. This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Schwanke [mailto:tschwanke@wisc.edu] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? We have a professor who uses a hand written reader for his course that a student needs in audio format (either through recording or e-text). It is very neatly printed (not script), but has a slight italic look to it. Standard OCR attempts do OK on the blocky all caps titles, but when it gets to the paragraphs that look more like italic the recognition has too many errors to be edited. Before we engage on more manual attempts at converting this to e-text or a digital recording, does anyone have any software suggestions, tips/tricks, or processes that might work on fairly neat handwriting? We've tried FineReader & Scansoft settings in Kurzweil and Microsoft Document Imaging. I can email a snippet off-list if that is helpful to see. Thanks, Todd _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From nettiet at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 10:51:47 2009 From: nettiet at gmail.com (Nettie Fischer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? In-Reply-To: <20090220120210599.00000003740@AT_Specialist> References: <7bea219b0902191211i69f138b2r97ac78fa71349cf1@mail.gmail.com> <02B2EB8562EB4BBAAADF5A82C043B46D@htctu.fhda.edu> <20090220120210599.00000003740@AT_Specialist> Message-ID: not software but, Fly Fusion (I purchssed a kit for 35.00 on special and ti came with 2 notebooks. when yuo write in the notebook, it can be transcribed to print format. Also, tablet computers offer the same option but, handwritng must be neat and of course the trick is to get proficient enough so yu dont lose downtime. Nettie On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Todd Schwanke wrote: > We have a professor who uses a hand written reader for his course that a > student needs in audio format (either through recording or e-text). It is > very neatly printed (not script), but has a slight italic look to it. > Standard OCR attempts do OK on the blocky all caps titles, but when it gets > to the paragraphs that look more like italic the recognition has too many > errors to be edited. > > Before we engage on more manual attempts at converting this to e-text or a > digital recording, does anyone have any software suggestions, tips/tricks, > or processes that might work on fairly neat handwriting? We've tried > FineReader & Scansoft settings in Kurzweil and Microsoft Document Imaging. > > I can email a snippet off-list if that is helpful to see. > > Thanks, Todd > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmhaven at stanford.edu Fri Feb 20 12:16:08 2009 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1235353738.786791235160968879.JavaMail.root@zm04.stanford.edu> Along those same lines, the Windows version of Livescribe's Pulse smartpen can now do handwriting recognition with the addition of MyScript software from VisionObjects: . - Shelley ------------ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant Sunnyvale, CA 408-737-2092 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nettie Fischer" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:51:47 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? not software but, Fly Fusion (I purchssed a kit for 35.00 on special and ti came with 2 notebooks.? when yuo write in the notebook, it can be transcribed to print format.? Also, tablet computers offer the same option but, handwritng must be neat and of course the trick is to get proficient enough so yu dont lose downtime. ? Nettie On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Todd Schwanke < tschwanke@wisc.edu > wrote: We have a professor who uses a hand written reader for his course that a student needs in audio format (either through recording or e-text). ?It is very neatly printed (not script), but has a slight italic look to it. ?Standard OCR attempts do OK on the blocky all caps titles, but when it gets to the paragraphs that look more like italic the recognition has too many errors to be edited. Before we engage on more manual attempts at converting this to e-text or a digital recording, does anyone have any software suggestions, tips/tricks, or processes that might work on fairly neat handwriting? ?We've tried FineReader & Scansoft settings in Kurzweil and Microsoft Document Imaging. I can email a snippet off-list if that is helpful to see. Thanks, Todd _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From norm.coombs at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 12:42:10 2009 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] WEBINARS PLUS: AN Expanded Four-part EASI Webinar Series Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20090220123940.023820b0@pop.gmail.com> Managing the Assistive Technology Process: The Nontech Guide for Disability Service Providers. A 4-part tuition-based series: April 21, 28, May 12, 19 all at 2 PM Eastern Presenter James Bailey, MS, Adaptive Technology Adviser, University of Oregon. (Note: this fee-based series is free to EASI Annual Webinar Members.) EASI is experimenting with a new format in this Webinar Plus series which combines 4 90-minute live webinars, a text book and a discussion board to use between live Webinars. This 4-part supersized Webinar series is an unusual opportunity to experience the same content as James provides in on-site 2-day seminars. It focuses on the management aspects of AT in higher education rather than the technical, and it will be especially helpful for AT or DS coordinators needing to organize and articulate their AT programs. Like other EASI events, the presentation will avoid the use of technical jargon. When that is unavoidable, the technical terms will be explained. Those people who register by Monday April 6 will have the cost of James' book, included in the $195 cost for the Webinar series. Others will have to get the book themselves from the publisher, LRP. Continuing Education Units: Because of the combination of weekly Webinars and outside discussions, the work involved makes the series valuable enough to be considered for earning CEUs. Anyone wanting to earn CEUs will attend the Webinars, participate in the discussion board and also will write a guided paper and pay another $85 to cover the cost of certification. Brief series description: Webinar 1: technical accommodations for various physical disabilities and deployment options for college AT programs. Discussion 1: This module provides an understanding AT in the context of higher education. Webinar 2: accommodations for students with learning disabilities and AT training issues at the college level. Discussion 2: This module covers hiring and managing staff that range from student help to full time employees. Webinar 3: alt-text provision and accessibility issues with the web in higher education. Discussion 3: advice on developing a mutually beneficial relationship with your campus Information Technology (IT) group. Webinar 4: the law and AT and the creation of a college AT management plan. DO NOT MISS THIS UNUSUAL OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE EQUIVALENT OF A TWO-DAY SEMINAR FROM THE COMFORT OF YOUR HOME AND SAVE THE TIME AND EXPENSE OF TRAVEL! You can read more Webinar details, learn about the potential to earn CEUs and register online at: .www.easi.cc/forms/bailey.htm You can read more about other future Webinars at:www..easi.cc/clinic.htm You can read the syllabi for EASI courses at: www.easi.cc/workshop.htm Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com From nettiet at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 13:33:08 2009 From: nettiet at gmail.com (Nettie Fischer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? In-Reply-To: <1235353738.786791235160968879.JavaMail.root@zm04.stanford.edu> References: <1235353738.786791235160968879.JavaMail.root@zm04.stanford.edu> Message-ID: Wow, I just reread my post and didn't realize how many typos Iincluded was multi-tasking Another comment - The myscript software requires a pen (Pulse Scriptwriter) that costs $199.00 while the Fly Fusion pen is in the $59.00 range-a special allowed my purchase to be 39.00 including postage and handling !!! Bargain for me!. The one thing that I see as a large difference between the two pens is the recordability option in the Pulse Scriptwriter which is not available in the Fly Fusion. Nettie On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Shelley Haven wrote: > Along those same lines, the Windows version of Livescribe's Pulse smartpen > can now do handwriting recognition with the addition of MyScript software > from VisionObjects: < > http://www.visionobjects.com/handwriting_recognition/pulse/pulse.htm>. > > - Shelley > > > ------------ > Shelley Haven ATP, RET > Assistive Technology Consultant > Sunnyvale, CA > 408-737-2092 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nettie Fischer" > To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:51:47 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? > > > > not software but, Fly Fusion (I purchssed a kit for 35.00 on special and ti > came with 2 notebooks. when yuo write in the notebook, it can be > transcribed to print format. Also, tablet computers offer the same option > but, handwritng must be neat and of course the trick is to get proficient > enough so yu dont lose downtime. > > Nettie > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Todd Schwanke < tschwanke@wisc.edu > > wrote: > > > We have a professor who uses a hand written reader for his course that a > student needs in audio format (either through recording or e-text). It is > very neatly printed (not script), but has a slight italic look to it. > Standard OCR attempts do OK on the blocky all caps titles, but when it gets > to the paragraphs that look more like italic the recognition has too many > errors to be edited. > > Before we engage on more manual attempts at converting this to e-text or a > digital recording, does anyone have any software suggestions, tips/tricks, > or processes that might work on fairly neat handwriting? We've tried > FineReader & Scansoft settings in Kurzweil and Microsoft Document Imaging. > > I can email a snippet off-list if that is helpful to see. > > Thanks, Todd > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > -- > Nettie T. Fischer, ATP > Assistive Technology Practitioner > nettiet, ATP Consultants > www.nettietatpconsultants.com > [916] 704-1456 > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmhaven at stanford.edu Fri Feb 20 14:15:11 2009 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? In-Reply-To: <2146589656.807101235168110595.JavaMail.root@zm04.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <836516070.807121235168111634.JavaMail.root@zm04.stanford.edu> Yes, MyScript is third party software for the Livescribe notetaking pens discussed in earlier posts. Both Livescribe and Fly Fusion are based on the same technology by Anoto: a tiny camera in the pen tip looks at a microdot pattern on the paper which tells it where it is on the page. As you noted, the big advantage with Livescribe is its ability to record audio and synchronize that with the captured handwritten notes -- allows the student to go back and fill in notes he or she couldn't quite get the first time around. The other big advantage is that the Fly Fusion was recently discontinued by its manufacturer, LeapFrog. - Shelley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nettie Fischer" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:33:08 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? Wow, I just reread my post and didn't realize how many typos Iincluded? was multi-tasking ? Another comment - The myscript software requires a pen (Pulse Scriptwriter)?that costs $199.00 while the Fly Fusion pen is in the $59.00 range-a special allowed my purchase to be 39.00 including postage and handling !!! Bargain for me!.? The one thing that I see as a large difference between the two pens is the recordability option in the Pulse Scriptwriter which is not available in the Fly Fusion. ? Nettie On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Shelley Haven < rmhaven@stanford.edu > wrote: Along those same lines, the Windows version of Livescribe's Pulse smartpen can now do handwriting recognition with the addition of MyScript software from VisionObjects: < http://www.visionobjects.com/handwriting_recognition/pulse/pulse.htm >. - Shelley ------------ Shelley Haven ?ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant Sunnyvale, CA 408-737-2092 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nettie Fischer" < nettiet@gmail.com > To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" < athen@athenpro.org > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:51:47 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? not software but, Fly Fusion (I purchssed a kit for 35.00 on special and ti came with 2 notebooks.? when yuo write in the notebook, it can be transcribed to print format.? Also, tablet computers offer the same option but, handwritng must be neat and of course the trick is to get proficient enough so yu dont lose downtime. ? Nettie On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Todd Schwanke < tschwanke@wisc.edu > wrote: We have a professor who uses a hand written reader for his course that a student needs in audio format (either through recording or e-text). ?It is very neatly printed (not script), but has a slight italic look to it. ?Standard OCR attempts do OK on the blocky all caps titles, but when it gets to the paragraphs that look more like italic the recognition has too many errors to be edited. Before we engage on more manual attempts at converting this to e-text or a digital recording, does anyone have any software suggestions, tips/tricks, or processes that might work on fairly neat handwriting? ?We've tried FineReader & Scansoft settings in Kurzweil and Microsoft Document Imaging. I can email a snippet off-list if that is helpful to see. Thanks, Todd _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From tschwanke at wisc.edu Fri Feb 20 14:35:05 2009 From: tschwanke at wisc.edu (Todd Schwanke) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? In-Reply-To: References: <1235353738.786791235160968879.JavaMail.root@zm04.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20090220163505552.00000003740@AT_Specialist> Seems there are two types of software out there. Ones that work with capture products (pens, tablets, etc.) and try to figure out text based on stroke information (whether real-time or after the fact) whereas others purely work on the end result (an image). My experience, tests, searching seems to conclude so far: * handwriting recognition (has vector info about the stroke, including directional, pieces, speed, etc., in addition to the end result) * OCR of handwritten text (only has a bitmap image to work from) Of these, the handwriting recognition understandably seems to be much more accurate. Unfortunately in this case the text is already written, so we only have scans. We probably will end up taking some alternate approaches, including audio recording. Thanks for all the input. Have a great weekend! -Todd -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Nettie Fischer Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:33 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? Wow, I just reread my post and didn't realize how many typos Iincluded was multi-tasking Another comment - The myscript software requires a pen (Pulse Scriptwriter) that costs $199.00 while the Fly Fusion pen is in the $59.00 range-a special allowed my purchase to be 39.00 including postage and handling !!! Bargain for me!. The one thing that I see as a large difference between the two pens is the recordability option in the Pulse Scriptwriter which is not available in the Fly Fusion. Nettie On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Shelley Haven wrote: Along those same lines, the Windows version of Livescribe's Pulse smartpen can now do handwriting recognition with the addition of MyScript software from VisionObjects: . - Shelley ------------ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant Sunnyvale, CA 408-737-2092 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nettie Fischer" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:51:47 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? not software but, Fly Fusion (I purchssed a kit for 35.00 on special and ti came with 2 notebooks. when yuo write in the notebook, it can be transcribed to print format. Also, tablet computers offer the same option but, handwritng must be neat and of course the trick is to get proficient enough so yu dont lose downtime. Nettie On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Todd Schwanke < tschwanke@wisc.edu > wrote: We have a professor who uses a hand written reader for his course that a student needs in audio format (either through recording or e-text). It is very neatly printed (not script), but has a slight italic look to it. Standard OCR attempts do OK on the blocky all caps titles, but when it gets to the paragraphs that look more like italic the recognition has too many errors to be edited. Before we engage on more manual attempts at converting this to e-text or a digital recording, does anyone have any software suggestions, tips/tricks, or processes that might work on fairly neat handwriting? We've tried FineReader & Scansoft settings in Kurzweil and Microsoft Document Imaging. I can email a snippet off-list if that is helpful to see. Thanks, Todd _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 From hkramer.atsol at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 14:49:59 2009 From: hkramer.atsol at gmail.com (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] meetings / get-togethers planned for CSUN In-Reply-To: <003f01c99097$86c10d30$94432790$@washington.edu> References: <004201c98f75$7e174690$7a45d3b0$@org> <28207994.10351234822759245.JavaMail.root@zimbra.digilifemedia.biz> <003f01c99097$86c10d30$94432790$@washington.edu> Message-ID: If you would be willing to donate some money to my campaign fund, I'd be willing to put forth a motion to have you declared Vice-president immediately. I mean that position is a gold mine and I don't think it should be given away for *&^%@ nothing. I think we should have a meeting, maybe Wednesday or Thursday. I would be willing to help you plan it. I would like to give folks an update on the conference, hand out AHG flyers to CSUN speakers and maybe get feedback on a number of changes to this year's event. So, you ATHEN CSUN attendees, any preference for a meeting day? Cheers, Howard 2009/2/16 Terrill Thompson > According to the ATHEN by-laws, planning for meetings is the job of the > Program Committee (7.2.3) and the Vice President is charged with working > with the Program Committee (5.3.2). > > > > So, is there a Program Committee? I suspect not, but just to be sure it > would be nice to have a current list of committees and their members on the > ATHEN website, as well as minutes from the Boulder meeting (take note, Web > Development Committee!) > > > > In the absence of a Program Committee, meeting planning would seem to be > the task of the Vice President, but I'm not 100% sure who that is. I don't > think the election results have been certified, have they? If not, Dan > Comden and/or Pratik Patel are still VP. Meanwhile, I'm hanging out here > like Al Franken, waiting to take office. I saw in the news though that Al > has been holding meetings and conducting business as if he were senator, > much to his opponent's displeasure. So maybe I should follow Al's lead and > do vice presidential things like organize a CSUN meeting. If there is anyone > out there who is interested in serving on, or is already serving on, the > Program Committee to help with meeting logistics, please let me know. > > > > Thanks, > > Terry > > > > Terrill Thompson > Technology Accessibility Specialist > DO-IT, Accessible Technology > UW Technology Services > University of Washington > tft@u.washington.edu > 206/221-4168 > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] *On > Behalf Of *Dann Berkowitz > *Sent:* Monday, February 16, 2009 2:19 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] meetings / get-togethers planned for CSUN > > > > As the Secretary I have organized these over the past few years. > Unfortunately I will not be in attendance this year. Running your own > business means having to make such choice - but I also understand that if I > was still working full time there would be no money in the budget this year. > > > > > Have fun in the sun and someone make an In-and-Out run for me! > > -------------------- > Daniel Berkowitz > Digilife Media, LLC > 1 Bryant Avenue > Bradford, MA 01835-7424 > > phone: 978-914-4601 > e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz > web: www.digilifemedia.biz > > ----- "Ron Stewart" wrote: > | From: "Ron Stewart" > | To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" > | Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 8:58:33 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > | Subject: Re: [Athen] meetings / get-togethers planned for CSUN > | > | > > | > > There should be but no one has organized one yet that I am aware of. > > > > Ron > > > > | > > *From:* athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] *On > Behalf Of *Howard Kramer > | *Sent:* Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:59 PM > | *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > | *Subject:* [Athen] meetings / get-togethers planned for CSUN > > > > Hello All: > | > | Are there any ATHEN meetings or events scheduled for CSUN? > | > | -Howard > > | -- > | Howard Kramer > | AHG Conference Coordinator > | Access Specialist > | 303-492-8672 > | fax: 492-5601 > > > | _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- Howard Kramer AHG Conference Coordinator Access Specialist 303-492-8672 fax: 492-5601 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From askeladden at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 14:54:02 2009 From: askeladden at gmail.com (Mirabai Knight) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Caption Mic Message-ID: <7bea219b0902201454i59c8fa15ndef0acc42cff181c@mail.gmail.com> From: "Gaeir Dietrich" > I certainly appreciate you speaking up. I knew in theory that there would be > difficulties (pretty much everything you said), but I did not know of any > test cases. As you said, those selling speech recognition packages on top of > Dragon often make claims far beyond what is possible. > > Interestingly, Nuance themselves does not make such claims for Dragon. That > should tell us all something! I'm glad it wasn't out of place. I forgot one more thing that might be relevant: another disadvantage of remote captioning, whether stenographic or speech-based, is that only the person wearing the microphone will be transcribed. That means that questions from students, unless the professor repeats them before answering them, will be marked as inaudible, and the student might feel left out of the discussion, especially if it's more of a seminar-style than a lecture-style class. I'm certainly not opposed to remote captioning in general. I've played around with it myself, and I could certainly see myself providing it when onsite work was not available, but by and large, if an onsite captioner can be found, it's more likely that the transcript will be accurate and complete. The Caption Mic materials mentioned that some students might not like their classmates to know that they're receiving captioning, and might feel awkward with a captioner sitting next to them, but a good solution for that is to find a captioner or CART provider who has two computers that can transmit text wirelessly to one another. In situations where my clients have told me that they'd prefer to sit on their own rather than looking at my laptop over my shoulder, I hook up my equipment in the back of the room and let them sit in the front. Mirabai Knight StenoKnight CART Services http://stenoknight.com From rmhaven at stanford.edu Fri Feb 20 15:06:06 2009 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? In-Reply-To: <20090220163505552.00000003740@AT_Specialist> Message-ID: <1673548316.816751235171166787.JavaMail.root@zm04.stanford.edu> Hi, Todd! I like your explanation differentiating between the two approaches to recognition, one for existing handwritten text, the other for new text being created (where you have the additional info re: vectors, speed, etc.). Your original question was about the former, whereas Nettie's and my responses addressed such a situation going forward (i.e., if the prof were generating new material). And just to be complete in this discussion about handwriting recognition, let's not forget about "smart boards" (I'm using the term generically), some of which can convert neat handwriting to text either "live" or after-the-fact (e.g., mimio Studio software: ) -- obviously for use with newly-generated material. - Shelley Haven ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Schwanke" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:35:05 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? Seems there are two types of software out there. Ones that work with capture products (pens, tablets, etc.) and try to figure out text based on stroke information (whether real-time or after the fact) whereas others purely work on the end result (an image). My experience, tests, searching seems to conclude so far: * handwriting recognition (has vector info about the stroke, including directional, pieces, speed, etc., in addition to the end result) * OCR of handwritten text (only has a bitmap image to work from) Of these, the handwriting recognition understandably seems to be much more accurate. Unfortunately in this case the text is already written, so we only have scans. We probably will end up taking some alternate approaches, including audio recording. Thanks for all the input. Have a great weekend! -Todd -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Nettie Fischer Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:33 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? Wow, I just reread my post and didn't realize how many typos Iincluded was multi-tasking Another comment - The myscript software requires a pen (Pulse Scriptwriter) that costs $199.00 while the Fly Fusion pen is in the $59.00 range-a special allowed my purchase to be 39.00 including postage and handling !!! Bargain for me!. The one thing that I see as a large difference between the two pens is the recordability option in the Pulse Scriptwriter which is not available in the Fly Fusion. Nettie On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Shelley Haven wrote: Along those same lines, the Windows version of Livescribe's Pulse smartpen can now do handwriting recognition with the addition of MyScript software from VisionObjects: . - Shelley ------------ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant Sunnyvale, CA 408-737-2092 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nettie Fischer" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:51:47 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? not software but, Fly Fusion (I purchssed a kit for 35.00 on special and ti came with 2 notebooks. when yuo write in the notebook, it can be transcribed to print format. Also, tablet computers offer the same option but, handwritng must be neat and of course the trick is to get proficient enough so yu dont lose downtime. Nettie On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Todd Schwanke < tschwanke@wisc.edu > wrote: We have a professor who uses a hand written reader for his course that a student needs in audio format (either through recording or e-text). It is very neatly printed (not script), but has a slight italic look to it. Standard OCR attempts do OK on the blocky all caps titles, but when it gets to the paragraphs that look more like italic the recognition has too many errors to be edited. Before we engage on more manual attempts at converting this to e-text or a digital recording, does anyone have any software suggestions, tips/tricks, or processes that might work on fairly neat handwriting? We've tried FineReader & Scansoft settings in Kurzweil and Microsoft Document Imaging. I can email a snippet off-list if that is helpful to see. Thanks, Todd _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From Clark.Hochstetler at unlv.edu Fri Feb 20 16:01:36 2009 From: Clark.Hochstetler at unlv.edu (Clark.Hochstetler@unlv.edu) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Clark Hochstetler is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 02/20/2009 and will not return until 02/24/2009. 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Jennison Jennison Asuncion Co-Director, Adaptech Research Network http://www.adaptech.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:28:32 -0800 From: Cynthia Waddell To: webaim-forum@list.webaim.org Subject: [WebAIM] LSAC Inaccessible Web Lawsuit Everyone- On Thursday, February 19th, the National Federation of the Blind filed a complaint against the Law School Admissions Council (LSAC) in California today for violations of California's Unruh Act and Disabled Persons Act as a result of LSAC's inaccessible web site and LSAT preparation materials. For more information see press release below and also www.dralegal.org. Here is the press release: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen@nfb.org LSAC Discriminates Against Blind Law School Applicants National Federation of the Blind Sues Law School Admissions Council for Inaccessible Web Site and LSAT Preparation Materials Baltimore, Maryland (February 19, 2009): The National Federation of the Blind, the nation's oldest and largest organization of blind people; its California affiliate; and a blind law school applicant, Deepa Goraya, are filing a lawsuit today against the Law School Admissions Council (LSAC). The complaint asserts that the LSAC, the body that administers the Law School Admissions Test (which most aspiring law students must take) and provides other services to law schools and law school applicants, violates the California Disabled Persons Act and the Unruh Act because its Web site (www.lsac.org) and LSAT preparation materials are inaccessible to blind law school applicants. The plaintiffs have attempted to meet with the LSAC to resolve the matter, but the LSAC canceled a planned meeting. Blind people access Web sites on computers equipped with screen access software that converts what is on the screen into synthesized speech or Braille. The keyboard is used instead of a mouse to navigate the Web site and click on selected links or buttons. If a Web site is improperly coded, however, blind computer users cannot access the site. Blind people can also use screen readers to access certain kinds of electronic documents, including those in the popular Portable Document Format (PDF). However, if PDF files are not properly "tagged," they cannot be used by the blind. The LSAC Web site contains accessibility barriers including improperly formatted online forms, tables and charts that cannot be read by screen access software, and faulty keyboard navigation support. These access barriers make it difficult or impossible for blind people to use the Web site to register to take the LSAT, among other things. The Web site is also the only avenue for people to apply online to any law school accredited by the American Bar Association. However, blind applicants cannot submit their applications without sighted assistance because the application forms are improperly formatted. In addition, none of the LSAT practice materials, which include previously administered versions of the test that sighted people can obtain on the LSAC Web site, are available in accessible electronic formats. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "The Internet is extremely useful to blind people, as well as our sighted peers, when Web sites are properly formatted according to well-established guidelines; there is no good reason for any Web site offering goods and services to the public to be inaccessible to blind people. For too long, blind people have experienced barriers to entering the legal profession, despite our long history of demonstrated success in that field. The National Federation of the Blind will not sit quietly while the LSAC willfully refuses to provide the same services to blind people seeking admission to law school that it does to the sighted. The LSAC is engaging in blatant discrimination against the blind and we will not stand for it." Deepa Goraya, a law school applicant and named plaintiff in the suit, said: "Trying to use the LSAC Web site made the experience of applying to law school a nightmare when it should have been as easy for me as for anyone else. I had to select and rely upon a reader for over fifty hours to complete my law school applications. Also, none of the practice tests available on the Web site were accessible. I want the process of gaining admission to law school to be easier for all blind people who are interested in entering this noble profession, and I hope this action will achieve that goal." ### About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. Best regards, Cynthia Waddell -------------------------------------------------- Cynthia D. Waddell, JD Executive Director and Law, Policy and Technology Consultant International Center for Disability Resources on the Internet (ICDRI) Phone: (408) 691-6921 ICT Accessibility & Government Services Expert United Nations Global Initiative for Inclusive ICTs www.g3ict.com ICDRI is based in Raleigh, North Carolina USA http://www.icdri.org/CynthiaW/cynthia_d.htm See My Books! Web Accessibility: Web Standards and Regulatory Compliance by Apress 2006 at www.icdri.org/WSR_Book.htm See also Constructing Accessible Web Sites www.icdri.org/constructing_accessible_web_site.htm Is your Web Site Accessible? Find out now with Cynthia Says! www.cynthiasays.com Endorsed by the American Council of the Blind, the CynthiaSaysTM portal is a joint Education and Outreach project of ICDRI, The Internet Society Disability and Special Needs Chapter, and HiSoftware. _______________________________________________ To manage your subscription, visit http://list.webaim.org/ Address list messages to webaim-forum@list.webaim.org From ted.harvey at ucd.ie Mon Feb 23 00:44:01 2009 From: ted.harvey at ucd.ie (Ted Harvey) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? In-Reply-To: <1673548316.816751235171166787.JavaMail.root@zm04.stanford.edu> References: <20090220163505552.00000003740@AT_Specialist> <1673548316.816751235171166787.JavaMail.root@zm04.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <005301c99592$e04d0e80$a0e72b80$%Harvey@ucd.ie> I have experience using Digimemo with notetakers here The product is a stand-alone device with storage capability that digitally captures and stores everything you write without the use of computer or special paper. You can easily view, edit, organize and share your handwritten notes in Windows. There is a handwriting tool that will help with recognition, users have found it very good. Regards Ted Harvey Msc Assistive Technology Officer UCD Disability Support Services James Joyce Library Building Belfield Dublin 4 Phone:7167671 / 7168350 Fax? :7167503 email: ted.harvey@ucd.ie Website: www.ucd.ie/access ? -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Haven Sent: 20 February 2009 23:06 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? Hi, Todd! I like your explanation differentiating between the two approaches to recognition, one for existing handwritten text, the other for new text being created (where you have the additional info re: vectors, speed, etc.). Your original question was about the former, whereas Nettie's and my responses addressed such a situation going forward (i.e., if the prof were generating new material). And just to be complete in this discussion about handwriting recognition, let's not forget about "smart boards" (I'm using the term generically), some of which can convert neat handwriting to text either "live" or after-the-fact (e.g., mimio Studio software: ) -- obviously for use with newly-generated material. - Shelley Haven ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Schwanke" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:35:05 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? Seems there are two types of software out there. Ones that work with capture products (pens, tablets, etc.) and try to figure out text based on stroke information (whether real-time or after the fact) whereas others purely work on the end result (an image). My experience, tests, searching seems to conclude so far: * handwriting recognition (has vector info about the stroke, including directional, pieces, speed, etc., in addition to the end result) * OCR of handwritten text (only has a bitmap image to work from) Of these, the handwriting recognition understandably seems to be much more accurate. Unfortunately in this case the text is already written, so we only have scans. We probably will end up taking some alternate approaches, including audio recording. Thanks for all the input. Have a great weekend! -Todd -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Nettie Fischer Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:33 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? Wow, I just reread my post and didn't realize how many typos Iincluded was multi-tasking Another comment - The myscript software requires a pen (Pulse Scriptwriter) that costs $199.00 while the Fly Fusion pen is in the $59.00 range-a special allowed my purchase to be 39.00 including postage and handling !!! Bargain for me!. The one thing that I see as a large difference between the two pens is the recordability option in the Pulse Scriptwriter which is not available in the Fly Fusion. Nettie On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Shelley Haven wrote: Along those same lines, the Windows version of Livescribe's Pulse smartpen can now do handwriting recognition with the addition of MyScript software from VisionObjects: . - Shelley ------------ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant Sunnyvale, CA 408-737-2092 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nettie Fischer" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:51:47 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? not software but, Fly Fusion (I purchssed a kit for 35.00 on special and ti came with 2 notebooks. when yuo write in the notebook, it can be transcribed to print format. Also, tablet computers offer the same option but, handwritng must be neat and of course the trick is to get proficient enough so yu dont lose downtime. Nettie On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Todd Schwanke < tschwanke@wisc.edu > wrote: We have a professor who uses a hand written reader for his course that a student needs in audio format (either through recording or e-text). It is very neatly printed (not script), but has a slight italic look to it. Standard OCR attempts do OK on the blocky all caps titles, but when it gets to the paragraphs that look more like italic the recognition has too many errors to be edited. Before we engage on more manual attempts at converting this to e-text or a digital recording, does anyone have any software suggestions, tips/tricks, or processes that might work on fairly neat handwriting? We've tried FineReader & Scansoft settings in Kurzweil and Microsoft Document Imaging. I can email a snippet off-list if that is helpful to see. Thanks, Todd _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From nettiet at gmail.com Mon Feb 23 08:32:39 2009 From: nettiet at gmail.com (Nettie Fischer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? In-Reply-To: <005301c99592$e04d0e80$a0e72b80$%Harvey@ucd.ie> References: <20090220163505552.00000003740@AT_Specialist> <1673548316.816751235171166787.JavaMail.root@zm04.stanford.edu> <005301c99592$e04d0e80$a0e72b80$%Harvey@ucd.ie> Message-ID: Good morning Ted, I went to the Digimemo website and it is very busy so. When you order a Degimemo packet, does that include the pen? I know this may sound like a silly question but when a newcomer glances through their site, it is so busy that I cannot discern if they are describing just the pad portion or the pen and pad, etc. There is so much info on the pages and in the AM, my brain just went into overload. Thanks for making it a little more black and white - Nettie -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <20090220163505552.00000003740@AT_Specialist> <1673548316.816751235171166787.JavaMail.root@zm04.stanford.edu> <005301c99592$e04d0e80$a0e72b80$%Harvey@ucd.ie> Message-ID: Thank you Ted - It looks very basic and simple to use - Iwill put it on my wish list of trial options for students - I hate recommending something if I am unable to have a potential user get a little hand-on experience. And, being a small business of 1, just can't buy everything that I would love to add to my cache of equipment. . It sounds like a great tool for a scribe to use and upload to a computer to mass produce if needed for more than one classmate. Nice! Nettie On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Ted Harvey wrote: > Nettie, yes the pen comes as standard, and is very similar to your normal > pen, any a4 pad can be used in the holder, > > I have been using it with peer notetakers and its very good once the > notetaker does the hand writing tutorial exercises. > > Best Regards > > Ted > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nettie Fischer > Date: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:32 pm > Subject: Re: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > > > Good morning Ted, > > > I went to the Digimemo website and it is very busy so. When you order a > Degimemo packet, does that include the pen? I know this may sound like a > silly question but when a newcomer glances through their site, it is so busy > that I cannot discern if they are describing just the pad portion or the pen > and pad, etc. There is so much info on the pages and in the AM, my brain > just went into overload. > > > Thanks for making it a little more black and white - > > Nettie > > > > > -- > > Nettie T. Fischer, ATP > > Assistive Technology Practitioner > > nettiet, ATP Consultants > > www.nettietatpconsultants.com > > [916] 704-1456 > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > Regards > > Ted Harvey Msc > Assistive Technology Officer > UCD Dublin Disability Support Service > Level 1, James Joyce Library > Belfield > Dublin 4 > > Ph: 01 7167671 > Fax: 01 7167503 > email: Ted.Harvey@ucd.ie > Website: www.ucd.ie/access > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 704-1456 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rmhaven at stanford.edu Mon Feb 23 15:01:50 2009 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? In-Reply-To: References: <20090220163505552.00000003740@AT_Specialist> <1673548316.816751235171166787.JavaMail.root@zm04.stanford.edu> <005301c99592$e04d0e80$a0e72b80$%Harvey@ucd.ie> Message-ID: Just for future reference (or whenever your budget can handle it ;-), the Livescribe pen recordings (both notes and audio) can be uploaded to the user's computer (Mac or PC) and from there, uploaded to the Web. That makes it great for scribes to share notes electronically. (If you need the legible-handwriting-to-text capability, you'll need the Windows version of the software.) I'm in the same boat as you, Nettie, in that it's a real challenge to maintain "one of everything" -- especially if you also need both Mac and PC versions of software. - Shelley Haven At 2:35 PM -0800 2/23/09, Nettie Fischer wrote: >Thank you Ted - > >It looks very basic and simple to use - Iwill put it on my wish list >of trial options for students - I hate recommending something if I >am unable to have a potential user get a little hand-on experience. >And, being a small business of 1, just can't buy everything that I >would love to add to my cache of equipment. . It sounds >like a great tool for a scribe to use and upload to a computer to >mass produce if needed for more than one classmate. Nice! > >Nettie > >On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Ted Harvey ><ted.harvey@ucd.ie> wrote: > >Nettie, yes the pen comes as standard, and is very similar to your >normal pen, any a4 pad can be used in the holder, > >I have been using it with peer notetakers and its very good once the >notetaker does the hand writing tutorial exercises. > >Best Regards > >Ted > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Nettie Fischer <nettiet@gmail.com> > >Date: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:32 pm >Subject: Re: [Athen] OCR for Documents with Neat Handwriting? > >To: Access Technology Higher Education Network ><athen@athenpro.org> > > > > Good morning Ted, > > > I went to the Digimemo website and it is very busy so. When you >order a Degimemo packet, does that include the pen? I know this may >sound like a silly question but when a newcomer glances through >their site, it is so busy that I cannot discern if they are >describing just the pad portion or the pen and pad, etc. There is >so much info on the pages and in the AM, my brain just went into >overload. > >> Thanks for making it a little more black and white - >> Nettie > > > >> -- >> Nettie T. Fischer, ATP >> Assistive Technology Practitioner >> nettiet, ATP Consultants >> www.nettietatpconsultants.com >> [916] 704-1456 > > > _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> >>http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >Regards > >Ted Harvey Msc >Assistive Technology Officer > >UCD Dublin Disability Support Service >Level 1, James Joyce Library >Belfield >Dublin 4 > >Ph: 01 7167671 >Fax: 01 7167503 >email: Ted.Harvey@ucd.ie > >Website: www.ucd.ie/access > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > >-- >Nettie T. 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Ron ? ******************************************************************************* Ron Stewart Managing Consultant Altformat Solutions LLC ? 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ? ron@altformatsolutions.com www.altformatsolutions.com ? _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From jongund at illinois.edu Tue Feb 24 07:07:20 2009 From: jongund at illinois.edu (Jon Gunderson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] CSUN In-Reply-To: <22596944.1118801235465660775.JavaMail.root@zm04.stanford.edu> References: <00e901c99636$c35ea550$4a1beff0$@com> <22596944.1118801235465660775.JavaMail.root@zm04.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <20090224090720.BPO48195@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu> I will not be at CSUN this year. Jon Gunderson ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:54:20 -0800 (PST) >From: Shelley Haven >Subject: Re: [Athen] CSUN >To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > >Yes, Ron, on both counts. > >- Shelley > > >Shelley Haven ATP, RET >Assistive Technology Consultant >Sunnyvale, CA >408-737-2092 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ron Stewart" >To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" >Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:17:06 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific >Subject: [Athen] CSUN > > > > > >Hi All, can you please let me know if you are ATHEN members and plan on attending CSUN > >? > >Ron > >? > >******************************************************************************* > >Ron Stewart > >Managing Consultant > >Altformat Solutions LLC > >? > >8300 West Weller St > >Yorktown, IN 47396 > >Mobile: 609 213-2190 > >Fax: 765 405-1484 > >? > >ron@altformatsolutions.com > >www.altformatsolutions.com > >? >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. Coordinator Information Technology Accessibility Disability Resources and Educational Services Rehabilitation Education Center Room 86 1207 S. Oak Street Champaign, Illinois 61821 Voice: (217) 244-5870 WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/ WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/ From hkramer.atsol at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 08:11:56 2009 From: hkramer.atsol at gmail.com (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] CSUN In-Reply-To: <00e901c99636$c35ea550$4a1beff0$@com> References: <00e901c99636$c35ea550$4a1beff0$@com> Message-ID: Hi Ron, Yes, I'll be at CSUN and am an ATHEN member. -Howard 2009/2/23 Ron Stewart > Hi All, can you please let me know if you are ATHEN members and plan on > attending CSUN > > > > Ron > > > > > ******************************************************************************* > > Ron Stewart > > Managing Consultant > > Altformat Solutions LLC > > > > 8300 West Weller St > > Yorktown, IN 47396 > > Mobile: 609 213-2190 > > Fax: 765 405-1484 > > > > ron@altformatsolutions.com > > www.altformatsolutions.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- Howard Kramer AHG Conference Coordinator Access Specialist 303-492-8672 fax: 492-5601 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When I've attempted to request copies through Permissions, I'm told there is nothing they can give me. I'm therefore stuck in the position of having to tell students and professors that the required materials for the course cannot be made accessible. I've complained to McGraw-Hill (who is only the worst offender out of the three major publishers), and been told "the product couldn't be made accessible when it was being developed back in 2004-2005, and we can't afford to retrofit it now". I've looked at the code behind a number of their pages and although the Permissions department may swallow that story because they don't know any better, I know it isn't accurate. Is anyone refusing to purchase from McGraw-Hill (or any other publisher) on the grounds that they are selling an inaccessible electronic technology? On the flip side, has anyone figured out how to get access to those inaccessible online materials and make anything accessible out of them, beyond visually copying and re-typing everything from scratch? I appreciate any info you can share; I don't want to make Bonnie Beacher so mad that she'll stop cooperating with me, especially since it's not her fault that another area of the company produced a stack of inaccessible products, but given the number of foreign language students I'm sure we all work with this seems like a growing problem that needs to be addressed with the publishers. Thanks, and thanks for letting me vent, Teresa Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. Alternate Format Supervisor Disability Resource Center Arizona State University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pwhite3 at exchange.calstatela.edu Tue Feb 24 10:39:23 2009 From: pwhite3 at exchange.calstatela.edu (White, Phillip B.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] cashnet? In-Reply-To: <0D41DFE921DACE439289A5E629BDB66C035CE0FE@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> References: <0D41DFE921DACE439289A5E629BDB66C035CE0FE@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <249223C7F58DC140A96F27C89DBAF12F056CD5E5@santafe7.academic.ad.calstatela.edu> Has anyone seen and used cashnet? I am wondering about the accessibility of the web-based system. Anyone who has experience with this please write me. Thanks! Phillip White Adaptive Technology Coordinator Cal State University Los Angeles 323-343-3138 Pwhite3@calstatela.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at stanford.edu Tue Feb 24 11:19:37 2009 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Join the ATHEN Web Development Committee at CSUN Message-ID: <49A44849.6030807@stanford.edu> Join the ATHEN Web Development Committee at CSUN! The ATHEN Web Development Committee manages the Web presence for ATHEN, including the main ATHEN site, the wiki, and e-mail discussion list. The committee will be meeting to discuss the current functionality and future directions for the ATHEN Web platforms. If you would like to contribute to the Web presence for ATHEN, come join the group. Date: Wednesday, March 18 Time: 12:00PM Location: Lobby of LAX - Marriott Hope to see you there! Take care, Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer at colorado.edu Tue Feb 24 14:14:49 2009 From: hkramer at colorado.edu (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] feedback on change of exhibitor fees Message-ID: Hello All: We're considering raising our exhibitor fees for the 2009 AHG conference. Right now they are a very very reasonable $350. This is much less expensive compared to most other conferences. In addition, this year the venue will be in a better location - the Westin - and the exhibit space will be in the foyer outside the meeting rooms. So it should get excellent traffic. However, it's still a tough year economically and we don't want to discourage exhibitor participation. Also, our numbers are not as large as other conferences such as CSUN, ATIA, etc. We were considering $600 for an exhibit table which would include a free conference pass & meals for one exhibitor and a pass for a second person for meals and exhibit hall only. Pricing-wise, this seems reasonable. I would be interested in hearing the feedback of any exhibitors or anyone else from ATHEN or on this list. Thanks, Howard -- Howard Kramer AHG Conference Coordinator Access Specialist 303-492-8672 fax: 492-5601 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Wed Feb 25 06:27:50 2009 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Elluminate - accessibile or not? In-Reply-To: <6e0d34c90902250619s4ebea86eg374e9ea79188aa72@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e0d34c90902250619s4ebea86eg374e9ea79188aa72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: We have Eluminate on this campus and it is getting very little use. It is not completely accessible, unfortunately, in my experience. I had trouble with JAWS trying to navigate the myriad of boxes within the window of the program, and there is a live chat function, posting windows, you name it. To a sighted person, the layout is pretty confusing, much less to someone trying to use a screen reader. Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:19 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Elluminate - accessibile or not? Good morning all! Is anyone familiar with the product called Elluminate Learning Suite? Our institution is considering its use as a campus-wide solution for web conferencing and possibly more uses as well. It will be under review over the next few week, and I want to be ready with any questions related to accessibility. I would greatly appreciate any wisdom or helpful hints anyone has related to Elluminate!! 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To: Access Technology Higher Education Network ----------------------------------------------------------- | > > We have Eluminate on this campus and it is getting very little use.? It is not completely accessible, unfortunately, in my experience.? I had trouble with JAWS trying to navigate the myriad of boxes within the window of the program, and there is a live chat function, posting windows, you name it.? To a sighted person, the layout is pretty confusing, much less to someone trying to use a screen reader. ? > Susan Kelmer > Adaptive Technology Specialist/ > Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms > St. Louis Community College - Meramec > 314-984-7951 ? > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:19 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Elluminate - accessibile or not? ? ? ? > Good morning all! > Is anyone familiar with the product called?Elluminate Learning Suite? ?Our institution is considering its use as a campus-wide solution for web conferencing and possibly more uses as well. ?It will be under review over the next few week, and I want to be ready with any questions related to accessibility. ? > I would greatly appreciate any wisdom or helpful hints anyone has related to Elluminate!! > Heidi > +++++++++++++++ > Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC > Associate Director > Center for Educational Access > University of Arkansas > ARKU 104 > Fayetteville, AR 72701 > 479.575.3104 > 479.575.7445 fax > 479.575.3646 tdd > +++++++++++++++ > ? ? | ----------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Melanie Thornton Project PACE University of Arkansas at Little Rock 2801 S.? University Ave., DSC #117 Little Rock, AR? 72204 (501) 569-8410 (voice) (501) 650-2239 (cell) (501) 569-3143 (tty) (501) 569-8240 (fax) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hadi at illinois.edu Wed Feb 25 07:52:10 2009 From: hadi at illinois.edu (Hadi Rangin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Elluminate - accessibile or not? References: <6e0d34c90902250619s4ebea86eg374e9ea79188aa72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6A93BEDC1DBD42529AFBB33AE7C2C0F1@ad.uiuc.edu> I have never done any formal study or evaluation on Eluminate but I have tried to use it for a few times in the past years. Based on these limited experience, the menus were not accessible, the audio controls were not accessible either and I was not able to locate the browser environment. It took control over my audio system and I lost my screen reader (Jaws) and every time I ended up crashing my system. The most interesting experience was as I turned down my build-in audio volume control on my keyboard. As soon as it reached the 0%, it stopped there and you couldn't raise the volume up anymore. I had to ask a sighted person to increase it with the mouse. Sounds pretty accessible!!! Right? :) I am pretty sure that most of you are familiar with Talking Communities system. It is a lightweight web conferencing tool, easy to install and use, accessible built-in browser, accessible chat system, and many nice features. BTW, it is also very cheap. I think Steve Hoffmann should promote this application more aggressively. http://talkingcommunities.com Hadi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heidi Scher" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:19 AM Subject: [Athen] Elluminate - accessibile or not? > Good morning all! > > Is anyone familiar with the product called Elluminate Learning Suite? Our > institution is considering its use as a campus-wide solution for web > conferencing and possibly more uses as well. It will be under review over > the next few week, and I want to be ready with any questions related to > accessibility. > > I would greatly appreciate any wisdom or helpful hints anyone has related > to > Elluminate!! > > Heidi > > +++++++++++++++ > Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC > Associate Director > Center for Educational Access > University of Arkansas > ARKU 104 > Fayetteville, AR 72701 > 479.575.3104 > 479.575.7445 fax > 479.575.3646 tdd > +++++++++++++++ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From burke at ucla.edu Wed Feb 25 09:10:14 2009 From: burke at ucla.edu (Patrick Burke) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Elluminate - accessibile or not? In-Reply-To: <6e0d34c90902250619s4ebea86eg374e9ea79188aa72@mail.gmail.co m> References: <6e0d34c90902250619s4ebea86eg374e9ea79188aa72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902251710.n1PHA8RM000677@mail.ucla.edu> Hi all, Our campus is piloting Elluminate this quarter. It has been a mixed bag for me using Jaws. They made substantial improvements in Elluminate 9 (released November-ish, 2008). The menus now work reliably via keyboard, & you can tab to all the controls. For efficient use it would still need a few more key commands to jump to the different areas of the screen. It did take me a while to get the audio working just right, but I never had the severe problems that Hadi describes. (Perhaps different soundcard setups, or ... who knows?) The Whiteboard section & Participant list still don't work for me. I will be submitting these & a series of minor issues in our feedback report to the Elluminate company. Patrick At 06:19 AM 2/25/2009, Heidi Scher wrote: >Good morning all! > >Is anyone familiar with the product called Elluminate Learning >Suite? Our institution is considering its use as a campus-wide >solution for web conferencing and possibly more uses as well. It >will be under review over the next few week, and I want to be ready >with any questions related to accessibility. > >I would greatly appreciate any wisdom or helpful hints anyone has >related to Elluminate!! > >Heidi -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke ucla. edu From hascherdss at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 10:06:29 2009 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Elluminate - accessibile or not? In-Reply-To: <200902251710.n1PHA8RM000677@mail.ucla.edu> References: <6e0d34c90902250619s4ebea86eg374e9ea79188aa72@mail.gmail.com> <200902251710.n1PHA8RM000677@mail.ucla.edu> Message-ID: <6e0d34c90902251006y1adc372ev1d61c8fe163542d8@mail.gmail.com> MANY thanks to one and all for your comments! If anyone else has any insight, feel free to speak up! I want to be sure that I have as many current facts on accessibility (or lack thereof) when conversations take place. I appreciate your time to respond! Heidi On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Patrick Burke wrote: > Hi all, > > Our campus is piloting Elluminate this quarter. It has been a mixed bag for > me using Jaws. > > They made substantial improvements in Elluminate 9 (released November-ish, > 2008). The menus now work reliably via keyboard, & you can tab to all the > controls. For efficient use it would still need a few more key commands to > jump to the different areas of the screen. > > It did take me a while to get the audio working just right, but I never had > the severe problems that Hadi describes. (Perhaps different soundcard > setups, or ... who knows?) > > The Whiteboard section & Participant list still don't work for me. I will > be submitting these & a series of minor issues in our feedback report to the > Elluminate company. > > Patrick > > At 06:19 AM 2/25/2009, Heidi Scher wrote: > > Good morning all! >> >> Is anyone familiar with the product called Elluminate Learning Suite? Our >> institution is considering its use as a campus-wide solution for web >> conferencing and possibly more uses as well. It will be under review over >> the next few week, and I want to be ready with any questions related to >> accessibility. >> >> I would greatly appreciate any wisdom or helpful hints anyone has related >> to Elluminate!! >> >> Heidi >> > > > -- > Patrick J. Burke > > Coordinator > UCLA Disabilities & > Computing Program > > Phone: 310 206-6004 > E-mail: burke ucla. edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at stanford.edu Wed Feb 25 10:36:08 2009 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Elluminate - accessibile or not? In-Reply-To: <6e0d34c90902250619s4ebea86eg374e9ea79188aa72@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e0d34c90902250619s4ebea86eg374e9ea79188aa72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A58F98.2070502@stanford.edu> > Is anyone familiar with the product called Elluminate Learning Suite? The CA community college system adopted Elluminate about a year or so ago. The version 9 system was an improvement over their previous versions in terms of accessibility. There are still some issues, but I do not know if some of those issues will ever be resolved with how current technologies are progressing (e.g., making Whiteboard interface fully accessible to screen-reader, etc.). One thing that I did not have a problem with was the audio issues and I wonder if it may have had to do with how Elluminate provides audio support. In the CA community college implementation, audio support was initially provided through a phone bridge - participants did not use the voice-over IP solution (VOIP) in Elluminate. I basically set my audio volume to zero in Elluminate and everything was fine when testing with screen-readers (I did not allow Elluminate to control my audio settings). That being said, there has been an attempt to move to VOIP, but I am/was not part of that testing solution. You can also configure the interface to different layouts that can reduce the number of "regions" on the screen. That may be useful depending on which features and functions that are being used in the presentation. Two things I did like about Elluminate was that you could download a copy of the real-time caption file (if the presentation was being captioned) as well as a copy of the presentation itself. If there was a need to make an alternate format of the content, this would simplify the process. I believe NC State looked at the accessibility of several different platforms a few years ago; it was a presentation at CSUN in either 2005 or 2006. I do not know if they have continued its implementation but I do know they were involved in accessibility related feedback. While it certainly had some access issues, my experience was that it did some things well and other areas it needed improvement. Take care, Sean From normajean.brand at hccs.edu Wed Feb 25 12:29:57 2009 From: normajean.brand at hccs.edu (normajean.brand) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] anyone going to Nashville in May? Message-ID: <801E7AFBD02DE54BA988F6520E408E1D673DB5@ADMINMAIL1.ad.hccs.edu> Unfortunately paper work to attend CSUN this year did not get through all the channels. L However, I am scheduled to participate/enroll in the ATACP in Nashville, TN May 12-15. CSUN does not have any information posted as yet on the host or if there is a conference during this time period. Anyone else have any information I can give the bean counters so this does not slip through the crack? Thanks! NJ Btw those of you going to CSUN... have a great time! Maybe next year I will get to meet and put faces to names I see on the list! ----------------------------------------------- Personal Mission Statement Integrity, trust, commitment and talent is the foundation of my existence. My dedication to providing the highest level of technical expertise to help solve client's problems is why I'm here. I strive to create, innovate, and to research solutions to meet and exceed expectations. -- NJ Brand ----------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-NW Academic Technical Support and Innovation Center Assistive Technology Specialist/Sr. Lab Assistant Town and Country Square Campus MC 1379 Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. 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In a second article, E.A. and I are joined by Jennison Asuncion and Enda Guinan in exploring differences in our profession across countries, informed in part by the ATHEN survey results. Finally, I wrap up the series of three survey-related articles by examining the administrative details of our individual positions, including responsibilities, qualifications, and salaries. You probably recall that Jayme Johnson also conducted a survey last year that featured several open-ended qualitative questions regarding practitioners' perspectives of the field: He reports on that research in this issue. And Darren Gabbert provides an extensive compilation of existing opportunities for training and certification within or relevant to the field, including academic programs, continuing education opportunities, technology-specific trainings, and other unique training resources. Thanks to all authors and editorial volunteers who put in so much effort over the last year to pull this issue together, and thanks to the 149 individuals from 7 countries who participated in the ATHEN Survey. This was clearly a huge team effort. Regards, Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology UW Technology Services University of Washington tft@u.washington.edu 206/221-4168 From skeegan at stanford.edu Thu Feb 26 11:56:21 2009 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Presenting at CSUN? Message-ID: <49A6F3E5.8070106@stanford.edu> Hello all, If you are an ATHEN member and will be presenting at CSUN, we would like to identify your session information on the ATHEN Website. Please send me the following information and I will get this up on the ATHEN site. Session Name Date Time, Location Your Name and Affiliation I am looking forward to hearing from those ATHEN members who will be presenting at the CSUN 2009 Conference. Take care, Sean From lnorwich at bu.edu Thu Feb 26 12:14:05 2009 From: lnorwich at bu.edu (Norwich, Lorraine S) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Presenting at CSUN? In-Reply-To: <49A6F3E5.8070106@stanford.edu> References: <49A6F3E5.8070106@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <0843C2FED136EC488725F3249578C80C03098925@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Dear Sean, I will be presenting at CSUN this year. My information is below. My affiliation is Boston University. I look forward to seeing all of you at the conference. Session ID: EMP-1011 Title: Fostering Independence Using Assistive Technology from Post Secondary to a Vocational Setting Speakers: Lorraine Norwich Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009 Start Time: 8:00 AM End Time: 9:00 AM Location: Marriott - Houston Thanks Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability Services Boston University 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd Floor Boston, MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability (website) -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Presenting at CSUN? Hello all, If you are an ATHEN member and will be presenting at CSUN, we would like to identify your session information on the ATHEN Website. Please send me the following information and I will get this up on the ATHEN site. Session Name Date Time, Location Your Name and Affiliation I am looking forward to hearing from those ATHEN members who will be presenting at the CSUN 2009 Conference. Take care, Sean _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From tft at u.washington.edu Thu Feb 26 12:31:04 2009 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terrill Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Presenting at CSUN? In-Reply-To: <49A6F3E5.8070106@stanford.edu> References: <49A6F3E5.8070106@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <00d001c99851$25ffbde0$71ff39a0$@washington.edu> We at DO-IT/University of Washington have three sessions: DO-IT Video Search: A Case Study in Accessible Web and Multimedia Thurs, Mar 19 8:00am - 9:00am Terrill Thompson and Sheryl Burgstahler, DO-IT, University of Washington Marriott - Denver March Madness: Web Accessibility Meets the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Friday, Mar 20 1:50 - 2:50pm Marriott- Saddle Brook Terrill Thompson, University of Washington (home of the Huskies) Universal Design in Higher Education: From Principles to Practice Friday, Mar 20 3:10 PM - 4:10 PM Marriott - Philadelphia Tami Tidwell & Terrill Thompson, DO-IT, University of Washington Terry > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Sean Keegan > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:56 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Presenting at CSUN? > > Hello all, > > If you are an ATHEN member and will be presenting at CSUN, we would > like > to identify your session information on the ATHEN Website. Please send > me the following information and I will get this up on the ATHEN site. > > Session Name > Date > Time, Location > Your Name and Affiliation > > > I am looking forward to hearing from those ATHEN members who will be > presenting at the CSUN 2009 Conference. > > Take care, > Sean > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From tft at u.washington.edu Thu Feb 26 12:34:54 2009 From: tft at u.washington.edu (Terrill Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Presenting at CSUN? References: <49A6F3E5.8070106@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <00d101c99851$af4b7260$0de25720$@washington.edu> Sorry, make that four: AccessComputing: Increasing the participation of people with disabilities in computing fields Thursday, March 19 9:20 - 10:20 AM PST Wendy Chisholm, DO-IT, University of Washington Marriott - New York > -----Original Message----- > From: Terrill Thompson [mailto:tft@u.washington.edu] > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:31 PM > To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: RE: [Athen] Presenting at CSUN? > > We at DO-IT/University of Washington have three sessions: > > DO-IT Video Search: A Case Study in Accessible Web and Multimedia > Thurs, Mar 19 > 8:00am - 9:00am > Terrill Thompson and Sheryl Burgstahler, DO-IT, University of > Washington > Marriott - Denver > > March Madness: Web Accessibility Meets the NCAA Men's Basketball > Tournament > Friday, Mar 20 > 1:50 - 2:50pm > Marriott- Saddle Brook > Terrill Thompson, University of Washington (home of the Huskies) > > Universal Design in Higher Education: From Principles to Practice > Friday, Mar 20 > 3:10 PM - 4:10 PM > Marriott - Philadelphia > Tami Tidwell & Terrill Thompson, DO-IT, University of Washington > > > Terry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] > On > > Behalf Of Sean Keegan > > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:56 AM > > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] Presenting at CSUN? > > > > Hello all, > > > > If you are an ATHEN member and will be presenting at CSUN, we would > > like > > to identify your session information on the ATHEN Website. Please > send > > me the following information and I will get this up on the ATHEN > site. > > > > Session Name > > Date > > Time, Location > > Your Name and Affiliation > > > > > > I am looking forward to hearing from those ATHEN members who will be > > presenting at the CSUN 2009 Conference. > > > > Take care, > > Sean > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From hkramer.atsol at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 12:51:27 2009 From: hkramer.atsol at gmail.com (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Presenting at CSUN? In-Reply-To: <49A6F3E5.8070106@stanford.edu> References: <49A6F3E5.8070106@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Hi Sean, Saturday, March 21, 2009 9:20 AM Deconstructing the Magic of the Harry Potter Web Site, Howard Kramer, University of Colorado-Boulder See you CSUN. -Howard On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Sean Keegan wrote: > Hello all, > > If you are an ATHEN member and will be presenting at CSUN, we would like to > identify your session information on the ATHEN Website. Please send me the > following information and I will get this up on the ATHEN site. > > Session Name > Date > Time, Location > Your Name and Affiliation > > > I am looking forward to hearing from those ATHEN members who will be > presenting at the CSUN 2009 Conference. > > Take care, > Sean > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -- Howard Kramer AHG Conference Coordinator Access Specialist 303-492-8672 fax: 492-5601 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Thu Feb 26 15:10:51 2009 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Presenting at CSUN? In-Reply-To: References: <49A6F3E5.8070106@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <004101c99867$7800edb0$6802c910$@org> Howdy, DAISY Software Players, An Overview Thursday March 19th 3:10-4:10 Marriott - Meridian DAISY- The Road to Accessible Curricular Materials Friday March 20th, 1:50-2:50 Marriott - Meridian Ron Stewart AHEAD From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 3:51 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Presenting at CSUN? Hi Sean, Saturday, March 21, 2009 9:20 AM Deconstructing the Magic of the Harry Potter Web Site, Howard Kramer, University of Colorado-Boulder See you CSUN. -Howard On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Sean Keegan wrote: Hello all, If you are an ATHEN member and will be presenting at CSUN, we would like to identify your session information on the ATHEN Website. Please send me the following information and I will get this up on the ATHEN site. Session Name Date Time, Location Your Name and Affiliation I am looking forward to hearing from those ATHEN members who will be presenting at the CSUN 2009 Conference. Take care, Sean _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Howard Kramer AHG Conference Coordinator Access Specialist 303-492-8672 fax: 492-5601 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Fri Feb 27 05:27:31 2009 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN meeting at CSUN Message-ID: <001901c998df$24a48320$6ded8960$@org> Good morning all, we have the location for the ATHEN meeting and now we need your agenda items. Meeting Date: Thursday March 19th Meeting Time: 6:30pm - 8:00 pm Meeting Location: La Jolla room of the Marriott Agenda Items? Ron Stewart ************************************************************************* Ron Stewart MS Technology Advisor Association on Higher Education and Disabilities Chair AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@ahead.org http://www.ahead.org Remember you are making a difference in someone's life and you never know how your time and efforts will be passed forward. That is something to look forward to in the morning! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johumber at iupui.edu Fri Feb 27 05:44:17 2009 From: johumber at iupui.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] CSUN In-Reply-To: <00e901c99636$c35ea550$4a1beff0$@com> References: <00e901c99636$c35ea550$4a1beff0$@com> Message-ID: Hi! I will not be attending CSUN this year. Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell phone: (847) 431-6545 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.indiana.edu/ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:17 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] CSUN Hi All, can you please let me know if you are ATHEN members and plan on attending CSUN Ron ******************************************************************************* Ron Stewart Managing Consultant Altformat Solutions LLC 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@altformatsolutions.com www.altformatsolutions.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hadi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Stewart" To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 7:27 AM Subject: [Athen] ATHEN meeting at CSUN > Good morning all, we have the location for the ATHEN meeting and now we > need > your agenda items. > > > > Meeting Date: Thursday March 19th > > Meeting Time: 6:30pm - 8:00 pm > > Meeting Location: La Jolla room of the Marriott > > > > Agenda Items? > > > > Ron Stewart > > > > > > ************************************************************************* > > Ron Stewart MS > > Technology Advisor > > Association on Higher Education and Disabilities > > Chair AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group > > > > 8300 West Weller St > > Yorktown, IN 47396 > > Mobile: 609 213-2190 > > Fax: 765 405-1484 > > > > ron@ahead.org > > http://www.ahead.org > > Remember you are making a difference in someone's life and you never know > how your time and efforts will be passed forward. That is something to > look > forward to in the morning! > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From wiersmac at uww.edu Fri Feb 27 07:25:09 2009 From: wiersmac at uww.edu (Wiersma, Constance A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] CSUN In-Reply-To: <00e901c99636$c35ea550$4a1beff0$@com> References: <00e901c99636$c35ea550$4a1beff0$@com> Message-ID: <25F108F81838F14ABD90305FAB3BCF02406F3E27@exchmb3.uww.edu> I am an ATHEN member, but will not be at CSUN this year-no out of state travel $$. Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities Andersen Library 2002E University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:17 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] CSUN Hi All, can you please let me know if you are ATHEN members and plan on attending CSUN Ron ******************************************************************************* Ron Stewart Managing Consultant Altformat Solutions LLC 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@altformatsolutions.com www.altformatsolutions.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Mary Goldberg Students, What?s your idea of a sweet summer job?: - Being creative - Making a difference - Working with great people - Earning a good stipend - Writing business plans for innovative technologies - Doing research in assistive technology field to improve the quality of life of real people! If you answered yes to these questions, please consider applying to the *American Student Placements and Internships in Rehabilitation Engineering (ASPIRE) and Quality of Life Technology (QoLT) Research Experience for Undergraduates (REU) *at Carnegie Mellon/University of Pittsburgh. We are extending this opportunity to students with business backgrounds to encourage further development in the tech transfer area. * * Check out our informational video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hUgskSsKmg! For more information and to apply, please visit our webpages at www.herlpitt.org/internships. The application deadline has been extended through *3/2/09*. I look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Mary R. Goldberg, M.Ed. Education and Outreach Coordinator Quality of Life Technology Center Department of Rehabilitation Science and Technology University of Pittsburgh Human Engineering Research Laboratories (HERL) VA Pittsburgh Health System 7180 Highland Dr. Building 4, 151R1-H Pittsburgh, PA 15206 Phone: (412) 954-5291 Fax: (412) 954-5340 Email: mrh35@pitt.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pratikp1 at gmail.com Fri Feb 27 07:52:53 2009 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] CSUN In-Reply-To: <25F108F81838F14ABD90305FAB3BCF02406F3E27@exchmb3.uww.edu> References: <00e901c99636$c35ea550$4a1beff0$@com> <25F108F81838F14ABD90305FAB3BCF02406F3E27@exchmb3.uww.edu> Message-ID: <062301c998f3$75666710$60333530$@com> It looks like I will have to cancel myCSUN travel plans due to unforeseen personal circumstances. 'll miss seeing everyone. Enjoy. Pratik From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Wiersma, Constance A Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:25 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] CSUN I am an ATHEN member, but will not be at CSUN this year-no out of state travel $$. 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Take care, Sean Sean Keegan Associate Director, Assistive Technology Office of Accessible Education - Stanford University From fpost at swccd.edu Fri Feb 27 11:45:52 2009 From: fpost at swccd.edu (Frank Post) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 37, Issue 42 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will only be able to attend one day (hopefully)of the exhibitors. No money for both AHG and CSUN this year. I see the meeting is on a Thursday, which is nice because I may be able to come that day and just stay longer to attend the meeting, then drive back to San Diego. Frank ________________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of athen-request@athenpro.org [athen-request@athenpro.org] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 7:31 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 37, Issue 42 Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: CSUN (Humbert, Joseph A) 2. Re: ATHEN meeting at CSUN (Hadi Rangin) 3. Re: CSUN (Wiersma, Constance A) 4. Fwd: FW: PAID research internship--APP DEADLINE EXTENDED 3/2 (Heidi Scher) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:44:17 -0500 From: "Humbert, Joseph A" Subject: Re: [Athen] CSUN To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi! I will not be attending CSUN this year. Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell phone: (847) 431-6545 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.indiana.edu/ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:17 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] CSUN Hi All, can you please let me know if you are ATHEN members and plan on attending CSUN Ron ******************************************************************************* Ron Stewart Managing Consultant Altformat Solutions LLC 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@altformatsolutions.com www.altformatsolutions.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:04:58 -0600 From: "Hadi Rangin" Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN meeting at CSUN To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Message-ID: <4273081DB0104728A6349E22B2867C5D@ad.uiuc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Ron and other Athen members, If you are interested to webcast your meeting and/or allow other members to join you remotely and participate actively in your meeting, I will be glad to setup a TC Virtual room for this purpose. Ron, at your end, you would probably need just your laptop and table-top microphone, and a couple of speakers. Please let me know. Hadi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Stewart" To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 7:27 AM Subject: [Athen] ATHEN meeting at CSUN > Good morning all, we have the location for the ATHEN meeting and now we > need > your agenda items. > > > > Meeting Date: Thursday March 19th > > Meeting Time: 6:30pm - 8:00 pm > > Meeting Location: La Jolla room of the Marriott > > > > Agenda Items? > > > > Ron Stewart > > > > > > ************************************************************************* > > Ron Stewart MS > > Technology Advisor > > Association on Higher Education and Disabilities > > Chair AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group > > > > 8300 West Weller St > > Yorktown, IN 47396 > > Mobile: 609 213-2190 > > Fax: 765 405-1484 > > > > ron@ahead.org > > http://www.ahead.org > > Remember you are making a difference in someone's life and you never know > how your time and efforts will be passed forward. That is something to > look > forward to in the morning! > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:25:09 -0600 From: "Wiersma, Constance A" Subject: Re: [Athen] CSUN To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Message-ID: <25F108F81838F14ABD90305FAB3BCF02406F3E27@exchmb3.uww.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am an ATHEN member, but will not be at CSUN this year-no out of state travel $$. Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities Andersen Library 2002E University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:17 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] CSUN Hi All, can you please let me know if you are ATHEN members and plan on attending CSUN Ron ******************************************************************************* Ron Stewart Managing Consultant Altformat Solutions LLC 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@altformatsolutions.com www.altformatsolutions.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:31:34 -0600 From: Heidi Scher Subject: [Athen] Fwd: FW: PAID research internship--APP DEADLINE EXTENDED 3/2 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Message-ID: <6e0d34c90902270731l5e498a25jc428394aa667a18c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" HI all, Just wanted to pass along this info about an internship opportunity for undergrads. Wish it had been around when I was doing my undergrad work!! Heidi *From:* REU Recruitment [mailto:REU_RECRUITMENT@LISTSERV.HERLPITT.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Goldberg, Mary R *Sent:* Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:55 AM *To:* REU_RECRUITMENT@LISTSERV.HERLPITT.ORG *Subject:* PAID research internship--APP DEADLINE EXTENDED 3/2 Dear Colleague, Please circulate amongst interested parties. Our application deadline has been extended through March 2, 2009. Thanks, Mary Goldberg Students, What?s your idea of a sweet summer job?: - Being creative - Making a difference - Working with great people - Earning a good stipend - Writing business plans for innovative technologies - Doing research in assistive technology field to improve the quality of life of real people! If you answered yes to these questions, please consider applying to the *American Student Placements and Internships in Rehabilitation Engineering (ASPIRE) and Quality of Life Technology (QoLT) Research Experience for Undergraduates (REU) *at Carnegie Mellon/University of Pittsburgh. We are extending this opportunity to students with business backgrounds to encourage further development in the tech transfer area. * * Check out our informational video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hUgskSsKmg! For more information and to apply, please visit our webpages at www.herlpitt.org/internships. The application deadline has been extended through *3/2/09*. I look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Mary R. Goldberg, M.Ed. Education and Outreach Coordinator Quality of Life Technology Center Department of Rehabilitation Science and Technology University of Pittsburgh Human Engineering Research Laboratories (HERL) VA Pittsburgh Health System 7180 Highland Dr. Building 4, 151R1-H Pittsburgh, PA 15206 Phone: (412) 954-5291 Fax: (412) 954-5340 Email: mrh35@pitt.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 37, Issue 42 ************************************* From Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu Fri Feb 27 12:05:25 2009 From: Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu (Bryon Kluesner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 37, Issue 43 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90C130DE05B88E4FA7F79AE16669DE1C0285279C@exch3> I am an Athen member, but will not be able to go to CSUN - travel money is frozen. Glad I completed the ATA certificate last year. Bryon Kluesner, M.S., Ph.D. Adaptive Technology Coordinator Office for Students with Disabilities University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 v 423-425-2288 f Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu www.utc.edu/osd -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of athen-request@athenpro.org Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 3:00 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 37, Issue 43 Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: CSUN (Pratik Patel) 2. Microphones and MacSpeech Dictate (Sean Keegan) 3. Re: Athen Digest, Vol 37, Issue 42 (Frank Post) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:52:53 -0500 From: "Pratik Patel" Subject: Re: [Athen] CSUN To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <062301c998f3$75666710$60333530$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It looks like I will have to cancel myCSUN travel plans due to unforeseen personal circumstances. 'll miss seeing everyone. Enjoy. Pratik From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Wiersma, Constance A Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:25 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] CSUN I am an ATHEN member, but will not be at CSUN this year-no out of state travel $$. Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities Andersen Library 2002E University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:17 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] CSUN Hi All, can you please let me know if you are ATHEN members and plan on attending CSUN Ron ************************************************************************ **** *** Ron Stewart Managing Consultant Altformat Solutions LLC 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@altformatsolutions.com www.altformatsolutions.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:02:24 -0800 From: Sean Keegan Subject: [Athen] Microphones and MacSpeech Dictate To: Access Technology Higher Education Network , Alternate Media Message-ID: <49A838C0.8010302@stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Is anyone using MacSpeech Dictate and can provide some feedback on the USB microphone that ships with the product? I am curious as to the functionality and if you would recommend a different microphone with MacSpeech Dictate. From the MacSpeech page, you can "upgrade" your mic to a VXi TalkPro series, xTag, or Samsontech Airline. Wanted to get some feedback as to any real-world experiences before I commit. Take care, Sean Sean Keegan Associate Director, Assistive Technology Office of Accessible Education - Stanford University ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:45:52 -0800 From: Frank Post Subject: Re: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 37, Issue 42 To: "athen@athenpro.org" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I will only be able to attend one day (hopefully)of the exhibitors. No money for both AHG and CSUN this year. I see the meeting is on a Thursday, which is nice because I may be able to come that day and just stay longer to attend the meeting, then drive back to San Diego. Frank ________________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of athen-request@athenpro.org [athen-request@athenpro.org] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 7:31 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 37, Issue 42 Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: CSUN (Humbert, Joseph A) 2. Re: ATHEN meeting at CSUN (Hadi Rangin) 3. Re: CSUN (Wiersma, Constance A) 4. Fwd: FW: PAID research internship--APP DEADLINE EXTENDED 3/2 (Heidi Scher) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:44:17 -0500 From: "Humbert, Joseph A" Subject: Re: [Athen] CSUN To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi! I will not be attending CSUN this year. Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell phone: (847) 431-6545 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.indiana.edu/ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:17 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] CSUN Hi All, can you please let me know if you are ATHEN members and plan on attending CSUN Ron ************************************************************************ ******* Ron Stewart Managing Consultant Altformat Solutions LLC 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@altformatsolutions.com www.altformatsolutions.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:04:58 -0600 From: "Hadi Rangin" Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN meeting at CSUN To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Message-ID: <4273081DB0104728A6349E22B2867C5D@ad.uiuc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Ron and other Athen members, If you are interested to webcast your meeting and/or allow other members to join you remotely and participate actively in your meeting, I will be glad to setup a TC Virtual room for this purpose. Ron, at your end, you would probably need just your laptop and table-top microphone, and a couple of speakers. Please let me know. Hadi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Stewart" To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 7:27 AM Subject: [Athen] ATHEN meeting at CSUN > Good morning all, we have the location for the ATHEN meeting and now we > need > your agenda items. > > > > Meeting Date: Thursday March 19th > > Meeting Time: 6:30pm - 8:00 pm > > Meeting Location: La Jolla room of the Marriott > > > > Agenda Items? > > > > Ron Stewart > > > > > > ************************************************************************ * > > Ron Stewart MS > > Technology Advisor > > Association on Higher Education and Disabilities > > Chair AHEAD E-Text Solutions Group > > > > 8300 West Weller St > > Yorktown, IN 47396 > > Mobile: 609 213-2190 > > Fax: 765 405-1484 > > > > ron@ahead.org > > http://www.ahead.org > > Remember you are making a difference in someone's life and you never know > how your time and efforts will be passed forward. That is something to > look > forward to in the morning! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:25:09 -0600 From: "Wiersma, Constance A" Subject: Re: [Athen] CSUN To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Message-ID: <25F108F81838F14ABD90305FAB3BCF02406F3E27@exchmb3.uww.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am an ATHEN member, but will not be at CSUN this year-no out of state travel $$. Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities Andersen Library 2002E University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:17 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] CSUN Hi All, can you please let me know if you are ATHEN members and plan on attending CSUN Ron ************************************************************************ ******* Ron Stewart Managing Consultant Altformat Solutions LLC 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@altformatsolutions.com www.altformatsolutions.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:31:34 -0600 From: Heidi Scher Subject: [Athen] Fwd: FW: PAID research internship--APP DEADLINE EXTENDED 3/2 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Message-ID: <6e0d34c90902270731l5e498a25jc428394aa667a18c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" HI all, Just wanted to pass along this info about an internship opportunity for undergrads. Wish it had been around when I was doing my undergrad work!! Heidi *From:* REU Recruitment [mailto:REU_RECRUITMENT@LISTSERV.HERLPITT.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Goldberg, Mary R *Sent:* Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:55 AM *To:* REU_RECRUITMENT@LISTSERV.HERLPITT.ORG *Subject:* PAID research internship--APP DEADLINE EXTENDED 3/2 Dear Colleague, Please circulate amongst interested parties. Our application deadline has been extended through March 2, 2009. Thanks, Mary Goldberg Students, What?s your idea of a sweet summer job?: - Being creative - Making a difference - Working with great people - Earning a good stipend - Writing business plans for innovative technologies - Doing research in assistive technology field to improve the quality of life of real people! If you answered yes to these questions, please consider applying to the *American Student Placements and Internships in Rehabilitation Engineering (ASPIRE) and Quality of Life Technology (QoLT) Research Experience for Undergraduates (REU) *at Carnegie Mellon/University of Pittsburgh. We are extending this opportunity to students with business backgrounds to encourage further development in the tech transfer area. * * Check out our informational video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hUgskSsKmg! For more information and to apply, please visit our webpages at www.herlpitt.org/internships. The application deadline has been extended through *3/2/09*. I look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Mary R. Goldberg, M.Ed. Education and Outreach Coordinator Quality of Life Technology Center Department of Rehabilitation Science and Technology University of Pittsburgh Human Engineering Research Laboratories (HERL) VA Pittsburgh Health System 7180 Highland Dr. Building 4, 151R1-H Pittsburgh, PA 15206 Phone: (412) 954-5291 Fax: (412) 954-5340 Email: mrh35@pitt.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 37, Issue 42 ************************************* ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 37, Issue 43 ************************************* From jjohnson at htctu.net Fri Feb 27 15:29:55 2009 From: jjohnson at htctu.net (Jayme Johnson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Presenting at CSUN? In-Reply-To: <49A6F3E5.8070106@stanford.edu> References: <49A6F3E5.8070106@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <013201c99933$4cd59f60$e680de20$@net> Hi Sean, thanks for putting this together. Here's my CSUN presentation info: Session ID: WWW-2027 Title: Captioning Podcasts and Digital Media Speakers: Jayme Johnson Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 Start Time: 9:20 AM End Time: 10:20 AM Location: Marriott - Miami Session ID: PSE-1016 Title: DAISY in Higher Education Speakers: Gaeir Dietrich, Jayme Johnson, Sam Ogami Date: Friday, March 20, 2009 Start Time: 9:20 AM End Time: 10:20 AM Location: Marriott - Meridian One DAISY/EASY Session ID: LRN-1011 Title: Selecting Software for Students with Learning Disabilities: An Online Educational Resource Speakers: Jayme Johnson Date: Friday, March 20, 2009 Start Time: 3:10 PM End Time: 4:10 PM Location: Marriott - St. Louis Take care- I'll be seeing you soon... Jayme -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 11:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Presenting at CSUN? Hello all, If you are an ATHEN member and will be presenting at CSUN, we would like to identify your session information on the ATHEN Website. Please send me the following information and I will get this up on the ATHEN site. Session Name Date Time, Location Your Name and Affiliation I am looking forward to hearing from those ATHEN members who will be presenting at the CSUN 2009 Conference. Take care, Sean _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From rmhaven at stanford.edu Fri Feb 27 21:01:53 2009 From: rmhaven at stanford.edu (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microphones and MacSpeech Dictate In-Reply-To: <49A838C0.8010302@stanford.edu> References: <49A838C0.8010302@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Hey, Sean! I use Dictate with a VXi TalkPro XPress which seems to work fine. The XPress is what originally shipped with iListen and when I "crossgraded" to Dictate, they just shipped me the software. However, I asked technical support at MacSpeech last September what is the brand of the generic "quality USB headset microphone" that ships with Dictate, and what features the VXi Talk Pros offer to justify the higher price. I was told that boxed versions now ship with either the VXi Parrot or the Plantronics Audio 400. (A quick check in the Stanford Bookstore shows it to be a Plantronics Audio 610, though.) She also said: >The major difference is in the sensitivity of the mics. The >TalkPros are much more sensitive and therefore are the better choice >for people who will use Dictate in a noisier environment or who >speak with a softer voice. If either of these scenarios are not >you, then the Plantronics headset should be just fine. To be >considered MacSpeech certified the mic had to get a minimum level of >accuracy before we would endorse it. Based on this, I advised a college student I was working with to purchase the regular boxed version with the Audio 610. We got excellent recognition accuracy during the initial training (this was with Dictate 1.0, BTW). Hope this helps, Shelley Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant Sunnyvale, CA 408-737-2092 At 11:02 AM -0800 2/27/09, Sean Keegan wrote: >Is anyone using MacSpeech Dictate and can provide some feedback on >the USB microphone that ships with the product? > >I am curious as to the functionality and if you would recommend a >different microphone with MacSpeech Dictate. From the MacSpeech >page, you can "upgrade" your mic to a VXi TalkPro series, xTag, or >Samsontech Airline. Wanted to get some feedback as to any >real-world experiences before I commit. > > >Take care, >Sean > >Sean Keegan >Associate Director, Assistive Technology >Office of Accessible Education - Stanford University > From edward at ngtvoice.com Sat Feb 28 08:18:24 2009 From: edward at ngtvoice.com (Ed. Rosenthal) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microphones and MacSpeech Dictate In-Reply-To: References: <49A838C0.8010302@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <005801c999c0$2fbf0c30$8f3d2490$@com> The VXI mic has excellent passive noise cancellation, and we've found it to be one of the more accurate mics available...we often run it to the computer with an Andrea USB converter. Unless they have changed their unit specs here's more info on the VXI: . Gentex Noise canceling microphone . Ambient noise suppression: 13dB @ 1kHz, typical . Output impedance: 1.8 kOhms typical . Sensitivity: -50dB @ 1kHz (defined 1" from talk-side, 82dB SPL) . Frequency response: 100Hz to 6.3 kHz, optimized for voice using the Translator . Operating current: 300uA max . Operating voltage: 1.0 V DC min. to 20 V DC max. . Speaker: Dynamic, 36mm diameter SPL: 90dB @ 1 kHz, 0.22 V input . Impedance: 32 Ohms . Frequency response: 100 Hz to 6.3 kHz . Rated input power: 10 mW continuous, 100 m W peak -ed. Edward S. Rosenthal President and CEO Next Generation Technologies, Inc. (NGT Inc.) 20006 Cedar Valley Rd. #101 Lynnwood, Wa. 998036-6334 Ph: 425-744-1100 ext. 15 Fx: 425-778-5547 Skype: ed.rosenthal7 EM: edward@ngtvoice.com http://www.ngtvoice.com and http://www.ngtmedical.com This document may have been dictated with speech recognition software. Please disregard any remaining miscrecognitions. -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Haven Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; Alternate Media Subject: Re: [Athen] Microphones and MacSpeech Dictate Hey, Sean! I use Dictate with a VXi TalkPro XPress which seems to work fine. The XPress is what originally shipped with iListen and when I "crossgraded" to Dictate, they just shipped me the software. However, I asked technical support at MacSpeech last September what is the brand of the generic "quality USB headset microphone" that ships with Dictate, and what features the VXi Talk Pros offer to justify the higher price. I was told that boxed versions now ship with either the VXi Parrot or the Plantronics Audio 400. (A quick check in the Stanford Bookstore shows it to be a Plantronics Audio 610, though.) She also said: >The major difference is in the sensitivity of the mics. The >TalkPros are much more sensitive and therefore are the better choice >for people who will use Dictate in a noisier environment or who >speak with a softer voice. If either of these scenarios are not >you, then the Plantronics headset should be just fine. To be >considered MacSpeech certified the mic had to get a minimum level of >accuracy before we would endorse it. Based on this, I advised a college student I was working with to purchase the regular boxed version with the Audio 610. We got excellent recognition accuracy during the initial training (this was with Dictate 1.0, BTW). Hope this helps, Shelley Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant Sunnyvale, CA 408-737-2092 At 11:02 AM -0800 2/27/09, Sean Keegan wrote: >Is anyone using MacSpeech Dictate and can provide some feedback on >the USB microphone that ships with the product? > >I am curious as to the functionality and if you would recommend a >different microphone with MacSpeech Dictate. From the MacSpeech >page, you can "upgrade" your mic to a VXi TalkPro series, xTag, or >Samsontech Airline. Wanted to get some feedback as to any >real-world experiences before I commit. > > >Take care, >Sean > >Sean Keegan >Associate Director, Assistive Technology >Office of Accessible Education - Stanford University > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org