From sprimla at unity.ncsu.edu Wed Jul 1 05:30:14 2009 From: sprimla at unity.ncsu.edu (Saroj Primlani) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Lawsuit on use of Kindle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: NFB filed a suit against University of Arizona's Kindle Project http://www.readingrights.org/458 Saroj -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of athen-request@athenpro.org Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 3:00 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 41, Issue 42 Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Are any of these lecture capture system more accessible than others? (Alice Anderson) 2. Response to questions about accessible lecture capture solutions (Pat BROGAN) 3. Re: Response to questions about accessible lecture capturesolutions (Gerry Nies) 4. Re: Response to questions about accessible lecture capturesolutions (E.A. Draffan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:34:32 -0500 From: Alice Anderson Subject: Re: [Athen] Are any of these lecture capture system more accessible than others? To: ea@emptech.info, Access Technology Higher Education Network Cc: Kevin Erler Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes E.A. ... We are doing a campus 'beta/pilot test' with Automatic Sync Technologies - hoping to find a campus solution for the many media captioning needs we have. We pre-paid Automatic Sync to purchase X/hrs of transcribing &/or captioning. Several departments are involved, and have sent in files for one or more of the following - Mov, WMV, FLV, DVD, Mediasite (lecture capture), eTEACH (presentation tool), podcast, YouTube, etc. etc.. Files sent to Automatic Sync have ranged from a few minutes to several hours of lecture ... all with excellent results (as of this post). We are about 25% in to the beta project, and are working closely with Automatic Sync to create workflows when needed (e.g., eTEACH, Mediasite) ... and have another beta project for a lecture capture system on the horizon that will be included in this captioning beta. We're building a case for the campus for lower prices from 'quantities- of-scale' ... to save the campus $$$'s by working together ... and more so ... in order to comply with our campus web policy which requires web based video and audio to have captions and transcripts ... we need to have a campus one-stop solution. Stay tuned - we're finding the Automatic Sync website is rich with help documents and information http://www.automaticsync.com/caption/index.htm, and have been incredibly patient and helpful with our many players, questions and comments. Let me know if you have specific questions that I did not address. Best, Alice Alice Anderson TECHNOLOGY ACCESSIBILITY PROGRAM Division of Information Technology (DoIT) University of Wisconsin-Madison 1210 West Dayton Street (3124) Madison, WI 53706 Telephone: 608.262.2129 On Jun 26, 2009, at 7:40 AM, E.A. Draffan wrote: > Educause - Lecture Capture Systems: Are They Worth It? > http://www.educause.edu/Resources/LectureCaptureSystemsAreTheyWo/ > 163626 > > They seem to be using Media Site and Tegrity and retention improves > but > sadly no data on whether the systems are accessible. We have used > Impatica > and Camtasia and even Wink and Camstudio in conjunction with other > software > to produce multimedia outputs, but accurate simultaneous transcription > remains the main issue. > > I am wondering if anyone has tried CaptionSync? > http://www.automaticsync.com/caption/lecturecapture.htm > > Best wishes E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > Learning Societies Lab, > ECS, University of Southampton, > Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 > http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk > http://www.emptech.info > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerry Nies [mailto:gerrynies@mail.und.nodak.edu] > Sent: 24 June 2009 14:32 > To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'; ea@emptech.info > Subject: Are any of these lecture capture system more accessible than > others? > >> From what the salespeople said these systems are being used by may >> schools. > > So to be more specific in my request. We are looking at Panopto, > Echo 360, > Media Site, Apple Podcast Producer, Tegrity, Accordent to be used for > lecture capture at our university. I have been asked to get more > information on them and how accessible they are. > > Are there others that we should look at? > > Have you used any of these systems? What are the concerns for their > use by > our students? > > > Thanks > Gerry > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.90/2198 - Release Date: > 06/23/09 > 17:54:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:29:19 -0700 From: Pat BROGAN Subject: [Athen] Response to questions about accessible lecture capture solutions To: Athen@athenpro.org, Kevin Erler Message-ID: <4A452F9F.8010303@automaticsync.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed EA and Gerry raised some questions about accessible lecture capture options and captioning solutions. Having just come from Educomm it seems like the main sponsors were all lecture capture companies. I'll present some information but expose my bias upfront. I work now for Automatic Sync, the company referenced in the query, and previously worked for echo360. In the context of my role, I did manage the partnership between echo360 and Automatic Sync. Since coming to Automatic Sync I am working with Mediasite, Panopto, and TechSmith. I have worked for years with many universities on accessibility in my former role as VP of education and elearning at Macromedia and written the standards part of The elearning Handbook. Bias out of the way... I wrote a whitepaper "Making Lectures Accessible" which is posted at: http://www.automaticsync.com/caption/echo.htm, along with a research paper for UW Australia on the benefits of lecture capture for students with disabilities. Accessibility really means two different things in the context of acquiring lecture capture systems. In the US, section 508 has a FAR (Federal acquisition regulation) which says that government agencies and organizations receiving funds from the government must buy the most compliant system. This is exposed in the VPAT (vendor product accessibility template). This gets registered with the government at: http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=content&ID=12. The Automatic Sync VPAT is at: http://www.automaticsync.com/caption/govtregs.htm . My understanding is that most of the lecture capture systems are not compliant because of some of the database issues. but their output is or can be made to be compliant through captioning. The consequences of not buying the most compliant system can be economic penalties. This generally focuses on the use of the tool itself--can a disabled person use the lecture capture system? The second and more important aspect is--Is the content the system generates compliant? For the lecture capture vendors, this means that one can navigate with tools other than a mouse, users can control content navigation and flow. But the big challenge is to really make the content accessible, the audio and video need to have synced captions. In the workflow AST generated with our partners, the goal is to schedule a class to be captured and at that time designate that it will be transcribed and captioned, and then have the workflow happen automatically (thought a stenographer does the transcription). Under a department of Ed grant, we looked at how to automate the workflow and unfortunately, the entire process can't be automated now with quality good enough through speech recognition tools. I'll be glad to share information about error rates and comprehension from the research. So our focus was on reducing costs by automating the process, and we offer very competitive prices and very high quality. Once the captions are generated, they are synced with the audio, video and VGA. Users can turn on captions or turn them off. Transcripts can be uploaded and searched in most systems which adds real value in the reusability aspect of content. I could go on and on about how different approaches can work, does this help? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:36:47 -0500 From: "Gerry Nies" Subject: Re: [Athen] Response to questions about accessible lecture capturesolutions To: Message-ID: <4A44EB0F.5B96.00E0.0@mail.und.nodak.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Pat Thank you very much. At least we are asking the question about accessibility up front and I will be looking at the info that you sent. Thanks Gerry >>> Pat BROGAN 6/26/2009 3:29 PM >>> EA and Gerry raised some questions about accessible lecture capture options and captioning solutions. Having just come from Educomm it seems like the main sponsors were all lecture capture companies. I'll present some information but expose my bias upfront. I work now for Automatic Sync, the company referenced in the query, and previously worked for echo360. In the context of my role, I did manage the partnership between echo360 and Automatic Sync. Since coming to Automatic Sync I am working with Mediasite, Panopto, and TechSmith. I have worked for years with many universities on accessibility in my former role as VP of education and elearning at Macromedia and written the standards part of The elearning Handbook. Bias out of the way... I wrote a whitepaper "Making Lectures Accessible" which is posted at: http://www.automaticsync.com/caption/echo.htm, along with a research paper for UW Australia on the benefits of lecture capture for students with disabilities. Accessibility really means two different things in the context of acquiring lecture capture systems. In the US, section 508 has a FAR (Federal acquisition regulation) which says that government agencies and organizations receiving funds from the government must buy the most compliant system. This is exposed in the VPAT (vendor product accessibility template). This gets registered with the government at: http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=content&ID=12. The Automatic Sync VPAT is at: http://www.automaticsync.com/caption/govtregs.htm . My understanding is that most of the lecture capture systems are not compliant because of some of the database issues. but their output is or can be made to be compliant through captioning. The consequences of not buying the most compliant system can be economic penalties. This generally focuses on the use of the tool itself--can a disabled person use the lecture capture system? The second and more important aspect is--Is the content the system generates compliant? For the lecture capture vendors, this means that one can navigate with tools other than a mouse, users can control content navigation and flow. But the big challenge is to really make the content accessible, the audio and video need to have synced captions. In the workflow AST generated with our partners, the goal is to schedule a class to be captured and at that time designate that it will be transcribed and captioned, and then have the workflow happen automatically (thought a stenographer does the transcription). Under a department of Ed grant, we looked at how to automate the workflow and unfortunately, the entire process can't be automated now with quality good enough through speech recognition tools. I'll be glad to share information about error rates and comprehension from the research. So our focus was on reducing costs by automating the process, and we offer very competitive prices and very high quality. Once the captions are generated, they are synced with the audio, video and VGA. Users can turn on captions or turn them off. Transcripts can be uploaded and searched in most systems which adds real value in the reusability aspect of content. I could go on and on about how different approaches can work, does this help? _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:29:38 +0100 From: "E.A. Draffan" Subject: Re: [Athen] Response to questions about accessible lecture capturesolutions To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <001c01c9f6ad$985d8290$c91887b0$@info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you so much for all the information - what a wonderful list! It is all so helpful and Alice I really look forward to hearing how it all goes! Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab, ECS, University of Southampton, Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gerry Nies Sent: 26 June 2009 21:37 To: Athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Response to questions about accessible lecture capturesolutions Pat Thank you very much. At least we are asking the question about accessibility up front and I will be looking at the info that you sent. Thanks Gerry >>> Pat BROGAN 6/26/2009 3:29 PM >>> EA and Gerry raised some questions about accessible lecture capture options and captioning solutions. Having just come from Educomm it seems like the main sponsors were all lecture capture companies. I'll present some information but expose my bias upfront. I work now for Automatic Sync, the company referenced in the query, and previously worked for echo360. In the context of my role, I did manage the partnership between echo360 and Automatic Sync. Since coming to Automatic Sync I am working with Mediasite, Panopto, and TechSmith. I have worked for years with many universities on accessibility in my former role as VP of education and elearning at Macromedia and written the standards part of The elearning Handbook. Bias out of the way... I wrote a whitepaper "Making Lectures Accessible" which is posted at: http://www.automaticsync.com/caption/echo.htm, along with a research paper for UW Australia on the benefits of lecture capture for students with disabilities. Accessibility really means two different things in the context of acquiring lecture capture systems. In the US, section 508 has a FAR (Federal acquisition regulation) which says that government agencies and organizations receiving funds from the government must buy the most compliant system. This is exposed in the VPAT (vendor product accessibility template). This gets registered with the government at: http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=content&ID=12. The Automatic Sync VPAT is at: http://www.automaticsync.com/caption/govtregs.htm . My understanding is that most of the lecture capture systems are not compliant because of some of the database issues. but their output is or can be made to be compliant through captioning. The consequences of not buying the most compliant system can be economic penalties. This generally focuses on the use of the tool itself--can a disabled person use the lecture capture system? The second and more important aspect is--Is the content the system generates compliant? For the lecture capture vendors, this means that one can navigate with tools other than a mouse, users can control content navigation and flow. But the big challenge is to really make the content accessible, the audio and video need to have synced captions. In the workflow AST generated with our partners, the goal is to schedule a class to be captured and at that time designate that it will be transcribed and captioned, and then have the workflow happen automatically (thought a stenographer does the transcription). Under a department of Ed grant, we looked at how to automate the workflow and unfortunately, the entire process can't be automated now with quality good enough through speech recognition tools. I'll be glad to share information about error rates and comprehension from the research. So our focus was on reducing costs by automating the process, and we offer very competitive prices and very high quality. Once the captions are generated, they are synced with the audio, video and VGA. Users can turn on captions or turn them off. Transcripts can be uploaded and searched in most systems which adds real value in the reusability aspect of content. I could go on and on about how different approaches can work, does this help? _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.92/2203 - Release Date: 06/26/09 05:53:00 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 41, Issue 42 ************************************* From wiersmac at uww.edu Wed Jul 1 07:47:44 2009 From: wiersmac at uww.edu (Wiersma, Constance A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD Conference In-Reply-To: <03a101c9f98d$d273f710$775be530$@org> References: <03a101c9f98d$d273f710$775be530$@org> Message-ID: <25F108F81838F14ABD90305FAB3BCF0269532FF7@exchmb3.uww.edu> Ron: I plan to attend. Connie Wiersma Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities Andersen Library 2002E University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:20 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] AHEAD Conference Wanted to get an idea of the ATHEN members who will be attending the AHEAD conference in Louisville. Ron Stewart ************************************************************************* Ron Stewart MS Technology Advisor Association on Higher Education and Disabilities Chair, AHEAD Instructional Materials Accessibility Group (IMAG) 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@ahead.org http://www.ahead.org Remember you are making a difference in someone's life and you never know how your time and efforts will be passed forward. 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Have you thought about putting your presentation on the web somewhere (maybe drop.io ( http://drop.io/ ), scribd ( http://www.scribd.com ), or even Google docs) so the rest of us can benefit from your knowledge? (My Kindle DX comes in next week and I'm already salivating...) Enjoy! Shawn Shawn Foster Assistive Technology Consultant Southern Oregon University V/TTY: (541)552-6213 blog: http://atatsou.blogspot.com ( http://atatsou.blogspot.com/ ) >>> On 7/1/2009 at 7:53 AM, in message , "Kelmer, Susan M." wrote: I have been accepted as a presenter at AHG again this year, and I am going to be talking about the Kindle DX. I have one, have been playing with it and having fun. What I need from you all is a few questions you would like answered about the Kindle, so I can build my presentation. I know what I want to know, but I?m sure there are things others want to know that I haven?t thought of. So, if you can provide me with a question or two you?d like answered, I?d appreciate it. You can post to the list or to me privately. Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Wed Jul 1 08:19:40 2009 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHG Presentation - Kindle In-Reply-To: <4A4B1A53.82C6.005A.0@sou.edu> References: <4A4B1A53.82C6.005A.0@sou.edu> Message-ID: I will see about getting my presentation up post-conference. I will have materials to give out, as well, just as I did last year, and will have those to email to anyone who wants them. Thanks for the questions, this is exactly what I?m looking for! Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Foster Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 10:12 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] AHG Presentation - Kindle Susan: A couple of thoughts: -Omnipage 17 is claiming to make "Kindle-ready" files... how is this different from just using the Kindle's native PDF capability? Does it then allow for annotating? -Maybe a suggested alt text workflow, if we had a Kindle-using student? Due to budget cuts, I'm not going to be able to make it to AHG this year. Have you thought about putting your presentation on the web somewhere (maybe drop.io , scribd , or even Google docs) so the rest of us can benefit from your knowledge? (My Kindle DX comes in next week and I'm already salivating...) Enjoy! Shawn Shawn Foster Assistive Technology Consultant Southern Oregon University V/TTY: (541)552-6213 blog: http://atatsou.blogspot.com >>> On 7/1/2009 at 7:53 AM, in message , "Kelmer, Susan M." wrote: I have been accepted as a presenter at AHG again this year, and I am going to be talking about the Kindle DX. I have one, have been playing with it and having fun. What I need from you all is a few questions you would like answered about the Kindle, so I can build my presentation. I know what I want to know, but I?m sure there are things others want to know that I haven?t thought of. So, if you can provide me with a question or two you?d like answered, I?d appreciate it. You can post to the list or to me privately. Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dann at digilifemedia.biz Wed Jul 1 08:37:07 2009 From: dann at digilifemedia.biz (Dann Berkowitz) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD Conference In-Reply-To: <25F108F81838F14ABD90305FAB3BCF0269532FF7@exchmb3.uww.edu> Message-ID: <13930865.39591246462627498.JavaMail.root@mail.digilifemedia.biz> Sorry -- won't be there this year. Getting settled in the new job. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance A Wiersma" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:47:44 AM Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD Conference Ron: I plan to attend. ? Connie Wiersma ? Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities Andersen Library 2002E University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI? 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 ? ? ? From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:20 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] AHEAD Conference ? Wanted to get an idea of the ATHEN members who will be attending the AHEAD conference in Louisville. ? ? Ron Stewart ? ************************************************************************* Ron Stewart MS Technology Advisor Association on Higher Education and Disabilities Chair, AHEAD Instructional Materials Accessibility Group (IMAG) ? 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ? ron@ahead.org http://www.ahead.org Remember you are making a difference in someone?s life and you never know how your time and efforts will be passed forward.? That is something to look forward to in the morning! ? _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From Teresa.Haven at asu.edu Wed Jul 1 08:40:26 2009 From: Teresa.Haven at asu.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD Conference In-Reply-To: <13930865.39591246462627498.JavaMail.root@mail.digilifemedia.biz> References: <25F108F81838F14ABD90305FAB3BCF0269532FF7@exchmb3.uww.edu> <13930865.39591246462627498.JavaMail.root@mail.digilifemedia.biz> Message-ID: <0D41DFE921DACE439289A5E629BDB66C03A59619@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Wish I could be there, but no -- complying with travel ban. :( Teresa -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Dann Berkowitz Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD Conference Sorry -- won't be there this year. Getting settled in the new job. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constance A Wiersma" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 10:47:44 AM Subject: Re: [Athen] AHEAD Conference Ron: I plan to attend. ? Connie Wiersma ? Connie Wiersma, Assistant Director Center for Students with Disabilities Andersen Library 2002E University of Wisconsin-Whitewater Whitewater, WI? 53190 Ph. 262-472-5244 ? ? ? From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:20 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] AHEAD Conference ? Wanted to get an idea of the ATHEN members who will be attending the AHEAD conference in Louisville. ? ? Ron Stewart ? ************************************************************************* Ron Stewart MS Technology Advisor Association on Higher Education and Disabilities Chair, AHEAD Instructional Materials Accessibility Group (IMAG) ? 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ? ron@ahead.org http://www.ahead.org Remember you are making a difference in someone's life and you never know how your time and efforts will be passed forward.? That is something to look forward to in the morning! ? _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From hascherdss at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 11:04:54 2009 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD Conference In-Reply-To: <03a101c9f98d$d273f710$775be530$@org> References: <03a101c9f98d$d273f710$775be530$@org> Message-ID: <6e0d34c90907011104n4551afa7p382f7f72427610d9@mail.gmail.com> I'll be there! :-) Heidi On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Ron Stewart wrote: > Wanted to get an idea of the ATHEN members who will be attending the > AHEAD conference in Louisville. > > > > > > Ron Stewart > > > > ************************************************************************* > > Ron Stewart MS > > Technology Advisor > > Association on Higher Education and Disabilities > > Chair, AHEAD Instructional Materials Accessibility Group (IMAG) > > > > 8300 West Weller St > > Yorktown, IN 47396 > > Mobile: 609 213-2190 > > Fax: 765 405-1484 > > > > ron@ahead.org > > http://www.ahead.org > > *Remember you are making a difference in someone?s life** **and you never > know how your time** **and efforts will be passed forward. ** **That is > something to look forward to in the morning!* > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 479.575.7445 fax 479.575.3646 tdd +++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeano at uwm.edu Wed Jul 1 12:24:44 2009 From: jeano at uwm.edu (Jean M Salzer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD conference In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <897344709.867161246476284313.JavaMail.root@mail03.pantherlink.uwm.edu> I won't be there - no dinero Jean Jean Salzer, Sr. Counselor BVI Program/Alternative Text Coordinator Student Accessibility Center UW-Milwaukee 414-229-5660, Mitchell Hall B16 The limits of the mind are often mistaken to be the limits of the world. Immanuel Kant ******************************************** NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This email and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws and the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA). If this email contains any student specific data or information, these laws apply. If you are NOT the intended recipient(s) of this email, please disregard the content, delete the email message and notify the original sender. From skeegan at stanford.edu Wed Jul 1 14:06:49 2009 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean J Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] SCC file request Message-ID: <4A4BCFE9.6080300@stanford.edu> Hi all, Does anyone have a spare SCC file or two laying around? I am trying to debug an issue with SCC files and importing into QT Pro (for captioning iTunes movies). I just need to identify if the issue is with the tool I am using to create SCC files or if it is with the QT Pro import tool. Please contact me off-list. Thanks, Sean -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: skeegan.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 332 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ron at ahead.org Thu Jul 2 06:08:51 2009 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility versus affordance - Unasking The right Questions Message-ID: <063f01c9fb16$3eb80770$bc281650$@org> Interesting read Ron Unasking The right Questions - By Bill Thompson. Tuesday, May 12th, 2009 Accessibility has always been an issue for information and communications technologies, but for most of the 60 or so years we've had stored-program digital computers, it was a secondary consideration. Getting physical access to early computers like EDSAC and ATLAS involved being in the right room in the right city at the right time, whether or not you were a wheelchair user or had poor vision. When the number of people with easy and affordable access to the new technologies of desktop computers, network access and online publishing tools was relatively small, accessibility for those who needed special provision could be handled using one-off solutions, often built by those concerned since they were technical themselves. Over the years this has led us to design systems for the majority and then adapt them to work for those who are somehow different, and we keep thinking about 'accessibility' and 'usability' as separate, almost orthogonal aspects of design. Unfortunately, this remains the dominant model, and it has now become a barrier to future progress because it encourages designers to think about creating tools and services for the 'normal' population before considering accessibility. We need to change this approach, and to move away from solving the 'problem' of accessibility to a view of design in which it stops meriting separate consideration. We need to stop giving designers the opportunity to talk about 'accessibility', and instead collapse the distinction that is causing us so much trouble. Instead of thinking about 'access' at one end and 'usability' at another, we should attempt to recast our debate in terms of what technology does for all of us, not just those whose have 'special' requirements. After all, technology is there to mediate between us and the world, and all technology is about changing, enhancing or correcting our bare capabilities to allow new things to be possible, transforming the otherwise inaccessible and unperceivable into sense data, or subjecting the physical world to the influence of enhanced motor skills. How many of you can see the moons of Jupiter with your naked eye, or run at 80-miles-an-hour? The additive power of technology is as true of the telescope and the car as it is of the internet. Technologies sit between us and the world and allow us to perceive it more intimately, measure it more precisely, influence it with greater precision and scope, and reach out to others without concern for distance or - in many cases - language. They do that for us all, irrespective of our capabilities. But different technologies offer different affordances, depending on where we encounter them and - most importantly - our own capabilities. We can only use a telescope to see the craters of the moon if we have adequate vision, though of course interpreting the data from a radio telescope does not necessarily require this. We have too often been content to build technologies which only serve to enhance the capabilities of the 'modally-abled', those whose physical and cognitive abilities cluster around the modal value for modern humans. We clearly disregard those whose abilities are much lower than the norm, but also tend to forget those who may be better - they tend to cope, of course, and do not usually ask for special attention. So how should we frame our debate if we move beyond what I think is a dangerous attempt to retain the distinction between 'usability' and 'accessibility'? I think it is time to explore the idea of 'affordance', as it could offer us a way forward. Bill Gaver, Professor of Design at Goldsmiths College, has an interesting take on this. In a 1996 paper, he wrote: "Affordances go beyond value-free physical descriptions of the environment by expressing environmental attributes relative to humans. For example, the physical measure of height, which has no inherent meaning, can be recast in terms of the affordance of accessibility, which does. Because accessibility emerges from the relation between elevation and people's physical characteristics, it is an objective fact about a situation." The idea of accessibility - here used to mean whether a shelf or window can be reached - as something which emerges from a relationship between a technology and a user is one we might build on in our attempt to reconcile the usability-driven design approach and our concern over whether people can use specific technologies. The key is the interaction between the technology and what it offers and the ability of the user actually to make use of that offer, as it allows us to sketch out a model of augmented capability that covers all of us, not just those who might be classified as 'disabled' in some way. If we start to frame the issues facing users whose capabilities deviate from the norm in terms of affordances rather than simply of accessibility, this might free us from the 'modal totalitarianism' that infects so much design, whether in products like screens and keyboards or on-screen in websites, widgets and services. Affordances matter equally to the 'abled' as to the 'disabled', and so the same design methods can be used, and outcomes can be evaluated in a much broader way. This allows us to start to move away from the current model, in which we have 'assistive' technologies to overcome 'deficits' that make some users 'abnormal', to one in which we all have skills and abilities that vary along a large number of axes. This is going to be very important in the near future, as those of us who first encountered digital technologies when we were young and able-bodied, begin to age. I wear glasses to read from the screen, and I know that my high-frequency hearing has been damaged by years of gigs and loud music in headphones. I can feel my cognitive abilities going, and can see a world where I will be, as Shakespeare might have put it, sans eyes, sans teeth, sans keyboard, and in the near future I will need assistive technologies even more. If we think differently about design and consider issues of accessibility in terms of affordances, then we may move closer to another goal - that of exposing and understanding the impacts of the negative 'externalities' of unusable sites and services. To an economist, externalities are effects on parties that are not directly involved in a transaction, such as the impact of a polluting factory on the health of non-employees in the surrounding area. The costs of the transaction do not therefore reflect its full costs or benefits, once these externalities are taken into account. Externalities can be positive, such as the network effect that comes from more and more people using an online service, or negative. By and large, businesses will try to bring more of the positive externalities in-house - we might see battles over copyright as an attempt by rights-holders to internalise all the benefits of creative reuse - but keep negative externalities away, and off their balance sheet. A more integrated approach to design, however, one that classes all users as equal and equally deserving of service, could make it harder for those who disregard the needs of the non-modal population to treat the costs as an externality to be met by extra funding, charitable engagement or personal expenditure on assistive technology. And by bringing the costs back to those who have given us this world of dysfunctional technology, we might persuade even the accountants and management consultants who have for so long disregarded the needs of anyone outside the mainstream, that there are sound financial reasons for becoming more inclusive. We would not even need to tax them to achieve this (though this would be one approach): we could nudge them to do the right thing by offering benefits and tax breaks for those whose choices are more in line with this point of view, perhaps limiting access to government support services, guaranteed bank loans and the other benefits that businesses are currently calling for, to those who will offer tools, sites and services that can be used by all taxpayers and not just those with 20/20 vision and high levels of manual dexterity. The transition from the current approach, which we could call modal oligarchy, to one of design for all, will not be easy. Those of us within one standard deviation of the mean may worry that elegant tools and desirable products that 'just work' will no longer be available, that innovation will be limited and that we will have to work harder to get what we want from websites. But no user interface is intuitive, no keyboard obvious, no website 'natural'. Just as learning language rewires the human brain, so learning how to use network computers requires us to link old skills in new ways. We've taken the easy path so far, but I would speculate that interfaces designed for all will not only be more usable by mainstream adopters, they will be more powerful. And they will unleash a wave of creativity not only from those of us who are already well served but from the millions upon millions who are currently excluded. If we believe in the transforming power of these new technologies, if we want the network revolution to succeed, and if we desire the best and brightest to join us in this brave new world, then we need to ensure that the barriers to access are removed at all levels. That means campaigning to bring down all of the digital divides, not just the one between rich and poor but between the majority of users for whom most technology is designed and those of us whose capabilities lie more than one standard deviation from the mode. The conversations taking place at this conference, e-Access '09, are part of that process, but I think it is time to push for something more. I think that this should be the last e-access conference. Next year I hope to see you all here for e-affordance 2010. http://www.headstar.com/eablive/?p=287#more-287 From bergerei at gse.harvard.edu Thu Jul 2 08:40:29 2009 From: bergerei at gse.harvard.edu (eileen berger) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD conference In-Reply-To: <897344709.867161246476284313.JavaMail.root@mail03.pantherlink.uwm.edu> References: <897344709.867161246476284313.JavaMail.root@mail03.pantherlink.u wm.edu> Message-ID: <66586128F30D077146FE64AA@Nicole-Bergers-Computer.local> I will be at AHEAD presenting with colleagues from BC and Holy Cross for several days. Eileen --On July 1, 2009 2:24:44 PM -0500 Jean M Salzer wrote: > I won't be there - no dinero > > Jean > > > Jean Salzer, Sr. Counselor > BVI Program/Alternative Text Coordinator > Student Accessibility Center > UW-Milwaukee > 414-229-5660, Mitchell Hall B16 > > The limits of the mind are often mistaken to be the limits of the world. > Immanuel Kant > ******************************************** > NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This email and any attachments, contains information > that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws and > the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA). If this email > contains any student specific data or information, these laws apply. 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Thank you. From gdietrich at htctu.net Thu Jul 2 18:35:26 2009 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Job Opening Santa Monica Message-ID: <46DF027566E5415B87F5F9567E7AACB9@htctu.fhda.edu> Santa Monica City College is looking for an alternate media specialist. Please see the attached job announcement ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The HTCTU provides leadership, training, and support to the California Community Colleges in using technology to promote the success of students with disabilities. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone have any suggestions, the numbers are in the headers but do not seem to be present in the DTB. Ro Stewart ************************************************************************* Ron Stewart MS Technology Advisor Association on Higher Education and Disabilities Chair, AHEAD Instructional Materials Accessibility Group (IMAG) 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@ahead.org http://www.ahead.org Remember you are making a difference in someone's life and you never know how your time and efforts will be passed forward. That is something to look forward to in the morning! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at stanford.edu Mon Jul 6 12:05:05 2009 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean J Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Rapid Caption software? Message-ID: <4A524AE1.3020908@stanford.edu> Does anyone have access to the RapidCaption software to perform a quick experiment? Should take less than 5 minutes to try out... I have a SCC file that is invalid (according to different tools). However, if I import this SCC file into MacCaption and then re-export, it works great. Would anyone be willing to try this with the RapidCaption software? I am trying to prove a point to a vendor that the SCC files they are generating are non-conformant. Many thanks, Sean -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: skeegan.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 332 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ron at ahead.org Mon Jul 6 16:16:37 2009 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: ATHEN election results Message-ID: <029d01c9fe8f$d0153900$703fab00$@org> Sorry for the delay on this, seems that technology ruled the day in getting this out. 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I now understand that using something like Camtasia the process can be simplified even allowing the end user to click on buttons to make the captions visible or hidden. I am guessing this outputs just a single file. I have read the Techsmith tutorial on step-by-step creation of the captions. Here are my questions: 1 does this output a single file or does is still provide a group of files controlled by the SMIL file? 2 while a blind person does not need to find and use the player buttons to make captions visible or not, could a blind user with a screen reader find the buttons for play or pause and stop or can't a screen reader manipulate any of the controls 3. can the output be set either to start when opened or set to require using a start button to start the actual video? 4 Are there still any reasons that someone would want to output multimedia using magpie and the SMIL file? Is magpie and SMIL now irrelevant? 5. I assume that any decent commercial product similar to Camtasia will do all the same things? I need to be brought up to date on the technology so I can talk intelligently to people about it. Norm Coombs From dbritten at u.washington.edu Tue Jul 7 16:46:56 2009 From: dbritten at u.washington.edu (Drew Britten) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD Conference In-Reply-To: <03a101c9f98d$d273f710$775be530$@org> References: <03a101c9f98d$d273f710$775be530$@org> Message-ID: We're still on a out-of-state travel freeze. Drew Britten, MSRE Assistive Technology/ Alternative Media Program Manager Disability Resources for Students University of Washington 448 Schmitz Box 355839 Seattle, WA 98195-5839 (206) 543-8924 voice (206) 543-8925 TTY (206) 616-8379 fax dbritten@u.washington.edu From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:20 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] AHEAD Conference Wanted to get an idea of the ATHEN members who will be attending the AHEAD conference in Louisville. Ron Stewart ************************************************************************* Ron Stewart MS Technology Advisor Association on Higher Education and Disabilities Chair, AHEAD Instructional Materials Accessibility Group (IMAG) 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@ahead.org http://www.ahead.org Remember you are making a difference in someone's life and you never know how your time and efforts will be passed forward. That is something to look forward to in the morning! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Thu Jul 9 08:55:22 2009 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: National Technology Plan being developed Message-ID: <00c601ca00ad$aae7f170$00b7d450$@org> Some may be interested in participating in this effort, last time around there was no input as far as I am aware from our community. Ron Stewart The US Department of Education is in the process of developing a national technology plan. There is a very short timeline for input. Please take the time to look at it and weigh in on the needs of students with disabilities. This may be our only opportunity. It is only open for comment through Sunday. https://edtechfuture.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kcahill at MIT.EDU Thu Jul 9 09:37:33 2009 From: kcahill at MIT.EDU (Kathy Cahill) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: National Technology Plan being developed In-Reply-To: <00c601ca00ad$aae7f170$00b7d450$@org> References: <00c601ca00ad$aae7f170$00b7d450$@org> Message-ID: <4A561CCD.8030700@mit.edu> Just an FYI -- David Rose of CAST is a member of the working group. Kathy -- ************************* Kathleen Cahill Adaptive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Adaptive Technology) Lab 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu Ron Stewart wrote: > Some may be interested in participating in this effort, last time around > there was no input as far as I am aware from our community. > > > > Ron Stewart > > > > The US Department of Education is in the process of developing a > national technology plan. There is a very short timeline for input. > Please take the time to look at it and weigh in on the needs of students > with disabilities. This may be our only opportunity. It is only open > for comment through Sunday. > > > > https://edtechfuture.org/ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From normajean.brand at hccs.edu Fri Jul 10 07:15:05 2009 From: normajean.brand at hccs.edu (normajean.brand) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHEAD Conference In-Reply-To: <03a101c9f98d$d273f710$775be530$@org> References: <03a101c9f98d$d273f710$775be530$@org> Message-ID: <801E7AFBD02DE54BA988F6520E408E1DB395B3@ADMINMAIL1.ad.hccs.edu> Budget not there for any more travel this year. L Regards, Norma Jean ----------------------------------------------- NJ Brand Houston Community College-Northwest ADA Technician Technology and Instructional Computing Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://northwest.hccs.edu SkypeMe: nj.brand From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:20 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] AHEAD Conference Wanted to get an idea of the ATHEN members who will be attending the AHEAD conference in Louisville. Ron Stewart ************************************************************************ * Ron Stewart MS Technology Advisor Association on Higher Education and Disabilities Chair, AHEAD Instructional Materials Accessibility Group (IMAG) 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@ahead.org http://www.ahead.org Remember you are making a difference in someone's life and you never know how your time and efforts will be passed forward. 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I have the money to order the software to replace what we are currently using, but before I do so, I want to be sure it will do what I need it to do (especially in cutting chapter segments into manageable ten-minute pieces). Thanks. Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nettiet at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 08:15:55 2009 From: nettiet at gmail.com (Nettie Fischer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] TextAloud User - Need Feedback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Susan, >From my experience, it should do what you require. I used it to record short phrases that were saved to a compact flash card and used on a communication system. I have run into some difficulties in saving the wav files since I installed Dragon Naturally Speaking 10.1 but have not been able to 'fix' the problem. Nettie Fischer, ATP NettieT, ATP Consultants Elk Grove, California On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Kelmer, Susan M. wrote: > I am looking to talk directly with a current TextAloud user regarding how > the program is being used to record books to MP3?s. I have the money to > order the software to replace what we are currently using, but before I do > so, I want to be sure it will do what I need it to do (especially in cutting > chapter segments into manageable ten-minute pieces). > > > > Thanks. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Adaptive Technology Specialist/* > > *Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms* > > *St. Louis Community College - Meramec* > > *314-984-7951* > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Practitioner Nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 222-3492 Office (916) 704-1456 Cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Wed Jul 15 11:54:56 2009 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Job Opening in Silicon Valley Message-ID: <260CCE44948D458C9FEDF85574D91135@htctu.fhda.edu> Please forgive cross-postings... The High Tech Center Training Unit (HTCTU) of the California Community Colleges (CCCs) has a job opening for a full-time, twelve-month, non-tenure track faculty position in assistive computer technology. The HTCTU provides training to the staff and faculty of the CCCs in areas of technology helpful to students with disabilities. The program is grant funded and has been located at De Anza College in Cupertino, California, for over 20 years. This position will provide trainings on-site at our Cupertino facility, travel to various of the 110 colleges in our system, and present at conferences. Beyond standard faculty duties (developing curricula, teaching, researching), this position will also oversee our network technician in maintaining our computer training lab. The position is listed on our district Web site under job number 10-003: http://hr.fhda.edu/employment/faculty We have also added a link to our home page under the heading Job Opportunity: http://www.htctu.net/ Please disseminate this information to anyone who you think might be qualified and interested. Feel free to contact us after reading the online job announcement if you have specific questions. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The HTCTU provides leadership, training, and support to the California Community Colleges in using technology to promote the success of students with disabilities. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ----- Original Message ----- From: athen-request@athenpro.org Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 12:56 pm Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 42, Issue 12 To: athen@athenpro.org > Send Athen mailing list submissions to > athen@athenpro.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-request@athenpro.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-owner@athenpro.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: TextAloud User - Need Feedback (Teresa Haven) > 2. Re: TextAloud User - Need Feedback (Nettie Fischer) > 3. Job Opening in Silicon Valley (Gaeir Dietrich) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:54:49 -0700 > From: Teresa Haven > Subject: Re: [Athen] TextAloud User - Need Feedback > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Message-ID: > <0D41DFE921DACE439289A5E629BDB66C03AD92C7@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi, Susan. I'm a current user; feel free to write me off-list. :) > Teresa > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. > Supervisor, Alternate Format Program > Disability Resource Center > Arizona State University > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > ________________________________ > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen- > bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M. > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:45 AM > To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Access Technology Higher Education > Network > Subject: [Athen] TextAloud User - Need Feedback > > > > I am looking to talk directly with a current TextAloud user regarding > how the program is being used to record books to MP3's. I have the > money to order the software to replace what we are currently > using, but > before I do so, I want to be sure it will do what I need it to do > (especially in cutting chapter segments into manageable ten-minute > pieces). > > > > Thanks. > > > > Susan Kelmer > > Adaptive Technology Specialist/ > > Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms > > St. Louis Community College - Meramec > > 314-984-7951 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 08:15:55 -0700 > From: Nettie Fischer > Subject: Re: [Athen] TextAloud User - Need Feedback > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Hi Susan, > > >From my experience, it should do what you require. I used it to > recordshort phrases that were saved to a compact flash card and > used on a > communication system. I have run into some difficulties in saving > the wav > files since I installed Dragon Naturally Speaking 10.1 but have > not been > able to 'fix' the problem. > > Nettie Fischer, ATP > NettieT, ATP Consultants > Elk Grove, California > > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Kelmer, Susan M. > wrote: > > > I am looking to talk directly with a current TextAloud user > regarding how > > the program is being used to record books to MP3?s. I have the > money to > > order the software to replace what we are currently using, but > before I do > > so, I want to be sure it will do what I need it to do > (especially in cutting > > chapter segments into manageable ten-minute pieces). > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > > > *Adaptive Technology Specialist/* > > > > *Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms* > > > > *St. Louis Community College - Meramec* > > > > *314-984-7951* > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Athen mailing list > > Athen@athenpro.org > > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > > > > > -- > Nettie T. Fischer, ATP > Assistive Technology Practitioner > Nettiet, ATP Consultants > www.nettietatpconsultants.com > [916] 222-3492 Office > (916) 704-1456 Cell > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:54:56 -0700 > From: "Gaeir Dietrich" > Subject: [Athen] Job Opening in Silicon Valley > To: "'Alternate Media'" , "'DSP&S > Directors Listserver'" , > "'Learning Disabilities Listserver'" , > "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" , > "'Disabled Student Services in Higher Education'" > , "'HTC Staff Listserver'" > , > , > , > Message-ID: <260CCE44948D458C9FEDF85574D91135@htctu.fhda.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Please forgive cross-postings... > > The High Tech Center Training Unit (HTCTU) of the California Community > Colleges (CCCs) has a job opening for a full-time, twelve-month, > non-tenure > track faculty position in assistive computer technology. > > The HTCTU provides training to the staff and faculty of the CCCs > in areas of > technology helpful to students with disabilities. The program is grant > funded and has been located at De Anza College in Cupertino, > California, for > over 20 years. > > This position will provide trainings on-site at our Cupertino > facility,travel to various of the 110 colleges in our system, and > present at > conferences. Beyond standard faculty duties (developing curricula, > teaching,researching), this position will also oversee our network > technician in > maintaining our computer training lab. > > The position is listed on our district Web site under job number > 10-003: > http://hr.fhda.edu/employment/faculty > > We have also added a link to our home page under the heading Job > Opportunity: > http://www.htctu.net/ > > Please disseminate this information to anyone who you think might be > qualified and interested. Feel free to contact us after reading > the online > job announcement if you have specific questions. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich > High Tech Center Training Unit of the > California Community Colleges > De Anza College, Cupertino, CA > www.htctu.net > 408-996-6043 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > The HTCTU provides leadership, training, and support to the California > Community Colleges in using technology to promote the success of > studentswith disabilities. > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: winmail.dat > Type: application/ms-tnef > Size: 39622 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > End of Athen Digest, Vol 42, Issue 12 > ************************************* > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability Services Boston University 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd Floor Boston, MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability (website) From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:20 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] AHEAD Conference Wanted to get an idea of the ATHEN members who will be attending the AHEAD conference in Louisville. Ron Stewart ************************************************************************ * Ron Stewart MS Technology Advisor Association on Higher Education and Disabilities Chair, AHEAD Instructional Materials Accessibility Group (IMAG) 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@ahead.org http://www.ahead.org Remember you are making a difference in someone's life and you never know how your time and efforts will be passed forward. That is something to look forward to in the morning! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks Lorraine Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability Services Boston University 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd Floor Boston, MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability (website) From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:20 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] AHEAD Conference Wanted to get an idea of the ATHEN members who will be attending the AHEAD conference in Louisville. 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URL: From kcahill at MIT.EDU Thu Jul 16 11:39:41 2009 From: kcahill at MIT.EDU (Kathy Cahill) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Refreshable Braille and Nemeth code In-Reply-To: <0843C2FED136EC488725F3249578C80C03098D47@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> References: <03a101c9f98d$d273f710$775be530$@org> <0843C2FED136EC488725F3249578C80C03098D47@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> Message-ID: <4A5F73ED.9020300@mit.edu> Dear Colleagues; We have an incoming freshman who is blind and will be using lots of technology. Given his courseload (Calculus, Chemistry, Physics and a humanities class), he is going to be needing detailed access to mathematical and scientific information. He is a JAWS user already and knows Nemeth. So, that's good. The student has indicated he would prefer to access the math and science in Braille. So, I have some questions for you: 1. We are considering recommending a refreshable Braille display for him. Can refreshable Braille displays do Nemeth? My understanding is that the screen reader software is the intermediary between the information on the screen and the Braille display. So, if JAWS can't do math, how does the Nemeth code get to the refreshable Braille display? 2. Can Braille notetakers function as refreshable Braille devices? Is it recommended? 3. If our student prefers hardcopies of any of his textbooks in Braille, we will need to outsource it. Do you have any recommendations of places that do Nemeth translation and embossing? Thanks for any sage advice! Kathy -- ************************* Kathleen Cahill Adaptive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Adaptive Technology) Lab 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu From burke at mso.umt.edu Thu Jul 16 12:21:18 2009 From: burke at mso.umt.edu (Burke, Dan (DSS)) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Refreshable Braille and Nemeth code In-Reply-To: <4A5F73ED.9020300@mit.edu> References: <03a101c9f98d$d273f710$775be530$@org><0843C2FED136EC488725F3249578C80C03098D47@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <4A5F73ED.9020300@mit.edu> Message-ID: I'll take a crack at this, and others with more knowledge can jump in and set the conversation back on the right path if I stray. I think that you're going to have to create Nemeth for the student, regardless of JAWS or refreshable Braille display. The problem is not in getting hard copy Nemeth, but in the translation of complex mathematics to Nemeth. Once done, either a note taker or a Braille display (I am not conversant on what needs to happen to make this one work, but probably Duxbury?) or hard copy follow. So, you are right that JAWS cannot read the PDF or other doc with math or scientific notation and convert that to Nemeth for a Braille display. This is if the student wants to use Nemeth. I recommend the NFB listserv, Blind Math. There are a lot of folks doing math, chemistry, engineering, etc., using a variety of tools and means of access. The student in particular would benefit from interacting with folks on this list. http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org Daniel J. Burke Assistant Director/Coordinator Disability Services for Students Emma B. Lommasson 154 The University of Montana Missoula, MT 59812 www.umt.edu/dss/ 406.243.2243 voice/text 406.243.4424 direct line 406.243.5330 fax -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Cahill Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Refreshable Braille and Nemeth code Dear Colleagues; We have an incoming freshman who is blind and will be using lots of technology. Given his courseload (Calculus, Chemistry, Physics and a humanities class), he is going to be needing detailed access to mathematical and scientific information. He is a JAWS user already and knows Nemeth. So, that's good. The student has indicated he would prefer to access the math and science in Braille. So, I have some questions for you: 1. We are considering recommending a refreshable Braille display for him. Can refreshable Braille displays do Nemeth? My understanding is that the screen reader software is the intermediary between the information on the screen and the Braille display. So, if JAWS can't do math, how does the Nemeth code get to the refreshable Braille display? 2. Can Braille notetakers function as refreshable Braille devices? Is it recommended? 3. If our student prefers hardcopies of any of his textbooks in Braille, we will need to outsource it. Do you have any recommendations of places that do Nemeth translation and embossing? Thanks for any sage advice! Kathy -- ************************* Kathleen Cahill Adaptive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Adaptive Technology) Lab 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From burke at ucla.edu Thu Jul 16 12:35:43 2009 From: burke at ucla.edu (Patrick Burke) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Refreshable Braille and Nemeth code In-Reply-To: References: <03a101c9f98d$d273f710$775be530$@org> <0843C2FED136EC488725F3249578C80C03098D47@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <4A5F73ED.9020300@mit.edu> Message-ID: <200907161935.n6GJZi13031044@mail.ucla.edu> At the risk of creating Too-Many-Burkes Confusion ...: Dan's on the right track. The most common process would be to use Duxbury to create the files, which can be sent electronically to the student (.brf format, for ex.), or turned into hardcopy. The only limitation of using a notetaker device for this is the number of braille cells available. A desktop display can give you up to 80 characters, so there's a fighting chance to read an equation on one line (or at least a major chunk of it.) With a notetaker, the user has to be good at scrolling through material without getting lost. (Then again, most 80-cell displays don't have GPS ...) So it depends what the student already has, is used to from past work, & what the campus can afford, I suppose. Patrick At 12:21 PM 7/16/2009, Burke, Dan \(DSS\) wrote: >I'll take a crack at this, and others with more knowledge can jump in >and set the conversation back on the right path if I stray. > >I think that you're going to have to create Nemeth for the student, >regardless of JAWS or refreshable Braille display. The problem is not >in getting hard copy Nemeth, but in the translation of complex >mathematics to Nemeth. Once done, either a note taker or a Braille >display (I am not conversant on what needs to happen to make this one >work, but probably Duxbury?) or hard copy follow. So, you are right >that JAWS cannot read the PDF or other doc with math or scientific >notation and convert that to Nemeth for a Braille display. > >This is if the student wants to use Nemeth. > >I recommend the NFB listserv, Blind Math. There are a lot of folks >doing math, chemistry, engineering, etc., using a variety of tools and >means of access. The student in particular would benefit from >interacting with folks on this list. > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org > > >Daniel J. Burke >Assistant Director/Coordinator >Disability Services for Students >Emma B. Lommasson 154 >The University of Montana >Missoula, MT 59812 > >www.umt.edu/dss/ > >406.243.2243 voice/text >406.243.4424 direct line >406.243.5330 fax > > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On >Behalf Of Kathy Cahill >Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:40 PM >To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >Subject: [Athen] Refreshable Braille and Nemeth code > >Dear Colleagues; > >We have an incoming freshman who is blind and will be using lots of >technology. Given his courseload (Calculus, Chemistry, Physics and a >humanities class), he is going to be needing detailed access to >mathematical and scientific information. He is a JAWS user already and >knows Nemeth. So, that's good. > >The student has indicated he would prefer to access the math and science >in Braille. So, I have some questions for you: > >1. We are considering recommending a refreshable Braille display for >him. Can refreshable Braille displays do Nemeth? My understanding is >that the screen reader software is the intermediary between the >information on the screen and the Braille display. So, if JAWS can't do >math, how does the Nemeth code get to the refreshable Braille display? > >2. Can Braille notetakers function as refreshable Braille devices? Is >it recommended? > >3. If our student prefers hardcopies of any of his textbooks in >Braille, we will need to outsource it. Do you have any recommendations >of places that do Nemeth translation and embossing? > >Thanks for any sage advice! > >Kathy > >-- >************************* >Kathleen Cahill >Adaptive Technology Specialist >MIT ATIC (Adaptive Technology) Lab >77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 >Cambridge MA 02139 >(617) 253-5111 >kcahill@mit.edu > > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > >_______________________________________________ >Athen mailing list >Athen@athenpro.org >http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke ucla. edu From mstores at indiana.edu Thu Jul 16 12:37:49 2009 From: mstores at indiana.edu (Mary Stores) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Refreshable Braille and Nemeth code In-Reply-To: References: <03a101c9f98d$d273f710$775be530$@org><0843C2FED136EC488725F3249578C80C03098D47@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <4A5F73ED.9020300@mit.edu> Message-ID: <20090716153749.ga5ygw3dw088cocc@webmail.iu.edu> Duxbury does do Nemeth Code Braille translations, and they can be saved as .brf files. .brf files can be read by Braille displays, and it is the one format you can convert to regardless of what Braille translation system is used. If you need to outsource Braille, I would suggest contacting the Library of Congress, because they have lists of Braille certified people who can do the translations in Braille. They can save those files in .brf format and send them as e-mail attachments to you or the student so that the student can either read it on a Braille display or it can be embossed using Braille translation software. Quoting "Burke, Dan (DSS)" : > I'll take a crack at this, and others with more knowledge can jump in > and set the conversation back on the right path if I stray. > > I think that you're going to have to create Nemeth for the student, > regardless of JAWS or refreshable Braille display. The problem is not > in getting hard copy Nemeth, but in the translation of complex > mathematics to Nemeth. Once done, either a note taker or a Braille > display (I am not conversant on what needs to happen to make this one > work, but probably Duxbury?) or hard copy follow. So, you are right > that JAWS cannot read the PDF or other doc with math or scientific > notation and convert that to Nemeth for a Braille display. > > This is if the student wants to use Nemeth. > > I recommend the NFB listserv, Blind Math. There are a lot of folks > doing math, chemistry, engineering, etc., using a variety of tools and > means of access. The student in particular would benefit from > interacting with folks on this list. > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org > > > Daniel J. Burke > Assistant Director/Coordinator > Disability Services for Students > Emma B. Lommasson 154 > The University of Montana > Missoula, MT 59812 > > www.umt.edu/dss/ > > 406.243.2243 voice/text > 406.243.4424 direct line > 406.243.5330 fax > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Kathy Cahill > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:40 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Refreshable Braille and Nemeth code > > Dear Colleagues; > > We have an incoming freshman who is blind and will be using lots of > technology. Given his courseload (Calculus, Chemistry, Physics and a > humanities class), he is going to be needing detailed access to > mathematical and scientific information. He is a JAWS user already and > knows Nemeth. So, that's good. > > The student has indicated he would prefer to access the math and science > in Braille. So, I have some questions for you: > > 1. We are considering recommending a refreshable Braille display for > him. Can refreshable Braille displays do Nemeth? My understanding is > that the screen reader software is the intermediary between the > information on the screen and the Braille display. So, if JAWS can't do > math, how does the Nemeth code get to the refreshable Braille display? > > 2. Can Braille notetakers function as refreshable Braille devices? Is > it recommended? > > 3. If our student prefers hardcopies of any of his textbooks in > Braille, we will need to outsource it. Do you have any recommendations > of places that do Nemeth translation and embossing? > > Thanks for any sage advice! > > Kathy > > -- > ************************* > Kathleen Cahill > Adaptive Technology Specialist > MIT ATIC (Adaptive Technology) Lab > 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 > Cambridge MA 02139 > (617) 253-5111 > kcahill@mit.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From ron at ahead.org Thu Jul 16 12:39:01 2009 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Refreshable Braille and Nemeth code In-Reply-To: References: <03a101c9f98d$d273f710$775be530$@org><0843C2FED136EC488725F3249578C80C03098D47@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <4A5F73ED.9020300@mit.edu> Message-ID: <033b01ca064d$11f94e00$35ebea00$@org> The issue is going to be if the person knows how to read NEMETH output on their Braille device. As I understand it reading hard copy NEMETH and refreshable electronic NEMETH actually require a different skill set since it requires the user to be able to follow the transition from one form to another. As far as I am aware all of the major Braille displays can support NEMETH presentation. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Burke, Dan (DSS) Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:21 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Refreshable Braille and Nemeth code I'll take a crack at this, and others with more knowledge can jump in and set the conversation back on the right path if I stray. I think that you're going to have to create Nemeth for the student, regardless of JAWS or refreshable Braille display. The problem is not in getting hard copy Nemeth, but in the translation of complex mathematics to Nemeth. Once done, either a note taker or a Braille display (I am not conversant on what needs to happen to make this one work, but probably Duxbury?) or hard copy follow. So, you are right that JAWS cannot read the PDF or other doc with math or scientific notation and convert that to Nemeth for a Braille display. This is if the student wants to use Nemeth. I recommend the NFB listserv, Blind Math. There are a lot of folks doing math, chemistry, engineering, etc., using a variety of tools and means of access. The student in particular would benefit from interacting with folks on this list. http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org Daniel J. Burke Assistant Director/Coordinator Disability Services for Students Emma B. Lommasson 154 The University of Montana Missoula, MT 59812 www.umt.edu/dss/ 406.243.2243 voice/text 406.243.4424 direct line 406.243.5330 fax -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Cahill Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Refreshable Braille and Nemeth code Dear Colleagues; We have an incoming freshman who is blind and will be using lots of technology. Given his courseload (Calculus, Chemistry, Physics and a humanities class), he is going to be needing detailed access to mathematical and scientific information. He is a JAWS user already and knows Nemeth. So, that's good. The student has indicated he would prefer to access the math and science in Braille. So, I have some questions for you: 1. We are considering recommending a refreshable Braille display for him. Can refreshable Braille displays do Nemeth? My understanding is that the screen reader software is the intermediary between the information on the screen and the Braille display. So, if JAWS can't do math, how does the Nemeth code get to the refreshable Braille display? 2. Can Braille notetakers function as refreshable Braille devices? Is it recommended? 3. If our student prefers hardcopies of any of his textbooks in Braille, we will need to outsource it. Do you have any recommendations of places that do Nemeth translation and embossing? Thanks for any sage advice! Kathy -- ************************* Kathleen Cahill Adaptive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Adaptive Technology) Lab 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron at ahead.org Thu Jul 16 12:42:19 2009 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Refreshable Braille and Nemeth code In-Reply-To: <20090716153749.ga5ygw3dw088cocc@webmail.iu.edu> References: <03a101c9f98d$d273f710$775be530$@org><0843C2FED136EC488725F3249578C80C03098D47@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <4A5F73ED.9020300@mit.edu> <20090716153749.ga5ygw3dw088cocc@webmail.iu.edu> Message-ID: <033f01ca064d$88086360$98192a20$@org> This is true and you can also produce decent NEMETH with several products, including Dux though I understand MegaDots is a better solution. I would be wary of the NLS recommendations and actually go for customer references. As many of you know NEMETH outsourcing is very expensive and I have seen many examples of so called "certified" production that did not get complex math right. It is just not the issue of being able to create the proper NEMETH representation but also be able to linerize the complex equation structure that is encountered. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Mary Stores Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:38 PM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Re: [Athen] Refreshable Braille and Nemeth code Duxbury does do Nemeth Code Braille translations, and they can be saved as .brf files. .brf files can be read by Braille displays, and it is the one format you can convert to regardless of what Braille translation system is used. If you need to outsource Braille, I would suggest contacting the Library of Congress, because they have lists of Braille certified people who can do the translations in Braille. They can save those files in .brf format and send them as e-mail attachments to you or the student so that the student can either read it on a Braille display or it can be embossed using Braille translation software. Quoting "Burke, Dan (DSS)" : > I'll take a crack at this, and others with more knowledge can jump in > and set the conversation back on the right path if I stray. > > I think that you're going to have to create Nemeth for the student, > regardless of JAWS or refreshable Braille display. The problem is not > in getting hard copy Nemeth, but in the translation of complex > mathematics to Nemeth. Once done, either a note taker or a Braille > display (I am not conversant on what needs to happen to make this one > work, but probably Duxbury?) or hard copy follow. So, you are right > that JAWS cannot read the PDF or other doc with math or scientific > notation and convert that to Nemeth for a Braille display. > > This is if the student wants to use Nemeth. > > I recommend the NFB listserv, Blind Math. There are a lot of folks > doing math, chemistry, engineering, etc., using a variety of tools and > means of access. The student in particular would benefit from > interacting with folks on this list. > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org > > > Daniel J. Burke > Assistant Director/Coordinator > Disability Services for Students > Emma B. Lommasson 154 > The University of Montana > Missoula, MT 59812 > > www.umt.edu/dss/ > > 406.243.2243 voice/text > 406.243.4424 direct line > 406.243.5330 fax > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Kathy Cahill > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:40 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Refreshable Braille and Nemeth code > > Dear Colleagues; > > We have an incoming freshman who is blind and will be using lots of > technology. Given his courseload (Calculus, Chemistry, Physics and a > humanities class), he is going to be needing detailed access to > mathematical and scientific information. He is a JAWS user already and > knows Nemeth. So, that's good. > > The student has indicated he would prefer to access the math and science > in Braille. So, I have some questions for you: > > 1. We are considering recommending a refreshable Braille display for > him. Can refreshable Braille displays do Nemeth? My understanding is > that the screen reader software is the intermediary between the > information on the screen and the Braille display. So, if JAWS can't do > math, how does the Nemeth code get to the refreshable Braille display? > > 2. Can Braille notetakers function as refreshable Braille devices? Is > it recommended? > > 3. If our student prefers hardcopies of any of his textbooks in > Braille, we will need to outsource it. Do you have any recommendations > of places that do Nemeth translation and embossing? > > Thanks for any sage advice! > > Kathy > > -- > ************************* > Kathleen Cahill > Adaptive Technology Specialist > MIT ATIC (Adaptive Technology) Lab > 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 > Cambridge MA 02139 > (617) 253-5111 > kcahill@mit.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ea at emptech.info Thu Jul 16 14:03:25 2009 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] cell phone usage Message-ID: <00ce01ca0658$dc7b3070$95719150$@info> Apologies for cross posting In partnership with JISC TechDis please can you spare literally 5 minutes to take in a short survey on how people use their cell phones. http://tinyurl.com/lmfd2w We want to learn more about how cell phones can be used as an assistive technology as well as a useful aid to online learning so please pass on to friends and students if possible. JISC TechDis have published findings from their Go-Mobile project and also linked with MoLeNet their project called Upwardly Mobile. http://www.techdis.ac.uk/upwardlymobile/index.html Thank you so much. Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan Learning Societies Lab, ECS, University of Southampton, Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info From skeegan at stanford.edu Thu Jul 16 17:10:41 2009 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean J Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Refreshable Braille and Nemeth code In-Reply-To: <200907161935.n6GJZi13031044@mail.ucla.edu> References: <03a101c9f98d$d273f710$775be530$@org> <0843C2FED136EC488725F3249578C80C03098D47@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <4A5F73ED.9020300@mit.edu> <200907161935.n6GJZi13031044@mail.ucla.edu> Message-ID: <4A5FC181.3070303@stanford.edu> > We have an incoming freshman who is blind and will be > using lots of technology. Given his courseload > (Calculus, Chemistry, Physics and a humanities class), > he is going to be needing detailed access to mathematical > and scientific information. We just went through this situation last Fall quarter. Once you know what books you will be using, contact me off-list - we did those topics. > My understanding is that the screen reader software is the > intermediary between the information on the screen and the > Braille display. So, if JAWS can't do math, how does the > Nemeth code get to the refreshable Braille display? The screen-reader is necessary for supporting the interface between the refreshable braille display and the computer. JAWS would not be "reading" the Nemeth math content - just passing the content to the braille display. In our situation, the student just loaded everything onto their BrailleNote and did not use the computer itself. > The only limitation of using a notetaker device for this is the number > of braille cells available. As Patrick mentioned, the issue we encountered was the limited number of cells available when displaying matrices on a refreshable display as well. If I recall correctly, the BrailleNote we had access to was displaying the rows of the matrix one after another horizontally, which initially caused a bit of confusion. Everything looked fine in Duxbury (start brackets were vertically aligned appropriately) but broke down when imported into the portable display. The rows could wrap and the second row of the matrix could also end/begin in the same line on the display. Once we identified what was actually happening, the student was comfortable with the refreshable display output. It did take some time to understand what was occurring and how the matrices *should* be represented vs. how they were being represented and whether it was a conversion issue or how the braille display functioned. > Do you have any recommendations > of places that do Nemeth translation and embossing? I am actually going to pose a different question: Have you addressed tactile graphics and the generation of those files? The challenge for us was not so much the creation of the Nemeth braille, but keeping up with the number and level of specificity of tactile graphics we needed to produce. Take care, Sean -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: skeegan.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 332 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ron at ahead.org Thu Jul 16 18:57:07 2009 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Refreshable Braille and Nemeth code Message-ID: <03c901ca0681$e43f9340$acbeb9c0$@org> Forward from Mr. Comden Others have covered some of the high points. Once you price outsourcing, you may reconsider creating some (or all) materials in-house. Converting the scanned books via OCR (FineReader and/or InftyReader) and then editing to LaTeX can greatly ease conversion to Nemeth in Duxbury. You may already have a number of students on campus you can hire to edit these materials -- students who both know the material as well as LaTeX We've never had enough funds for an 80 cell display. Most students over the years have been happy to find a half size display available, and many have preferred to use their own more portable devices. And yes, these notetakers can double as displays. -*- Dan Comden danc@washington.edu Access Technology Lab www.washington.edu/computing/atl University of Washington UW Technology -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Cahill Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:40 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Refreshable Braille and Nemeth code Dear Colleagues; We have an incoming freshman who is blind and will be using lots of technology. Given his courseload (Calculus, Chemistry, Physics and a humanities class), he is going to be needing detailed access to mathematical and scientific information. He is a JAWS user already and knows Nemeth. So, that's good. The student has indicated he would prefer to access the math and science in Braille. So, I have some questions for you: 1. We are considering recommending a refreshable Braille display for him. Can refreshable Braille displays do Nemeth? My understanding is that the screen reader software is the intermediary between the information on the screen and the Braille display. So, if JAWS can't do math, how does the Nemeth code get to the refreshable Braille display? 2. Can Braille notetakers function as refreshable Braille devices? Is it recommended? 3. If our student prefers hardcopies of any of his textbooks in Braille, we will need to outsource it. Do you have any recommendations of places that do Nemeth translation and embossing? Thanks for any sage advice! Kathy -- ************************* Kathleen Cahill Adaptive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Adaptive Technology) Lab 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From asuncion at alcor.concordia.ca Thu Jul 16 19:47:34 2009 From: asuncion at alcor.concordia.ca (Jennison Mark Asuncion) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] anyone else attending Accessing the Future? Message-ID: Hi there, Just curious who else will be attending Accessing the Future http://ewh.ieee.org/conf/accessingthefuture/ If you can't attend, but find the themes interesting, I (and hopefully scores of others) will be tweeting from the conference using the hashtag #atf09. Jennison Jennison Mark Asuncion Co-Director, Adaptech Research Network www.adaptech.org LinkedIn at www.linkedin.com/in/jennison From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Fri Jul 17 08:00:58 2009 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] anyone else attending Accessing the Future? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't twitter, so I hope you'll be disseminating information in other ways as well. Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 From ricky_lee at ncsu.edu Thu Jul 16 12:27:36 2009 From: ricky_lee at ncsu.edu (Ricky Lee) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Refreshable Braille and Nemeth code In-Reply-To: References: <03a101c9f98d$d273f710$775be530$@org><0843C2FED136EC488725F3249578C80C03098D47@XMS3.ad2.bu.edu> <4A5F73ED.9020300@mit.edu> Message-ID: <4A5F46E8.F543.0078.1@gw.ncsu.edu> If you use Duxbury to do the conversion, JAWS can display (display on the braille display, but not speak) the converted line. You can verify this by looking at the cell you see on the screen and comparing it to the display. >>> On 7/16/2009 at 3:21 PM, in message , "Burke, Dan (DSS)" wrote: I'll take a crack at this, and others with more knowledge can jump in and set the conversation back on the right path if I stray. I think that you're going to have to create Nemeth for the student, regardless of JAWS or refreshable Braille display. The problem is not in getting hard copy Nemeth, but in the translation of complex mathematics to Nemeth. Once done, either a note taker or a Braille display (I am not conversant on what needs to happen to make this one work, but probably Duxbury?) or hard copy follow. So, you are right that JAWS cannot read the PDF or other doc with math or scientific notation and convert that to Nemeth for a Braille display. This is if the student wants to use Nemeth. I recommend the NFB listserv, Blind Math. There are a lot of folks doing math, chemistry, engineering, etc., using a variety of tools and means of access. The student in particular would benefit from interacting with folks on this list. http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org Daniel J. Burke Assistant Director/Coordinator Disability Services for Students Emma B. Lommasson 154 The University of Montana Missoula, MT 59812 www.umt.edu/dss/ 406.243.2243 voice/text 406.243.4424 direct line 406.243.5330 fax -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Cahill Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Refreshable Braille and Nemeth code Dear Colleagues; We have an incoming freshman who is blind and will be using lots of technology. Given his courseload (Calculus, Chemistry, Physics and a humanities class), he is going to be needing detailed access to mathematical and scientific information. He is a JAWS user already and knows Nemeth. So, that's good. The student has indicated he would prefer to access the math and science in Braille. So, I have some questions for you: 1. We are considering recommending a refreshable Braille display for him. Can refreshable Braille displays do Nemeth? My understanding is that the screen reader software is the intermediary between the information on the screen and the Braille display. So, if JAWS can't do math, how does the Nemeth code get to the refreshable Braille display? 2. Can Braille notetakers function as refreshable Braille devices? Is it recommended? 3. If our student prefers hardcopies of any of his textbooks in Braille, we will need to outsource it. Do you have any recommendations of places that do Nemeth translation and embossing? Thanks for any sage advice! Kathy -- ************************* Kathleen Cahill Adaptive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Adaptive Technology) Lab 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU Mon Jul 20 13:00:06 2009 From: Howard.Kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] need blurbs for Accessing Higher Ground Message-ID: <20090720140006.AKD39080@riddler.int.colorado.edu> Over the years, I've received a lot of nice feedback on the conference. Unfortunately I've never written it down. I'd like to put some blurbs on the web page and our flyer. If you have any honest blurbs you'd like to provide, let me know. Something along the lines. "Best conference I've ever attended." "AHG saved my marriage." Let me know if it's okay to include your name & affiliation. Thanks, Howard From Glenda.E.Hong at lonestar.edu Tue Jul 21 06:48:47 2009 From: Glenda.E.Hong at lonestar.edu (Hong, Glenda) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon/MathTalk/Scientific Notebook info Message-ID: <989487C08D7E16468178BE16F37977260168315F@DIS-MAIL-A.nhmccd.net> We have been trying to get our Dragon/MathTalk/Scientific Notebook set up for quite a while now and nothing we have tried seems to work. Our Office of Technology Services seems to think they have it fixed ( and close the work request) and we are left with no functionality for students. Can anyone send me links to ADA Law and to any recent use of the law against a Community College or University that would help me up the interest of administration to get the problems addressed? I have fifteen computers in my lab that need serious attention as on a daily basis at least three will blue screen and dump all physical memory. Iit is never the same three at a time. The high speed scanner and PC it is attached to are non-functional and my office machine on which I work to create alt. format is also blue screening on a daily basis. I have been trying to get across to our OTS and my supervisor that the Assistive Technology Lab needs some serious work before the fall semester begins, but I don't seem to be getting anywhere. I have a student currently in a math class that needs to be able to use the Dragon setup to do his assignments. Any help or advice would be a tremendous help. gh 1999 ATACP Houston, TX -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 8631 bytes Desc: image003.jpg URL: From edward at ngtvoice.com Tue Jul 21 07:53:08 2009 From: edward at ngtvoice.com (Ed. Rosenthal) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon/MathTalk/Scientific Notebook info In-Reply-To: <989487C08D7E16468178BE16F37977260168315F@DIS-MAIL-A.nhmccd.net> References: <989487C08D7E16468178BE16F37977260168315F@DIS-MAIL-A.nhmccd.net> Message-ID: <007a01ca0a12$f76c4f00$e644ed00$@com> Why not contact NanciLu McLellan at Metroplex Computers in Dallas.they're the manufacturer of MathTalk. I'm sure she'd be pleased to hear from you.-ed. Edward S. Rosenthal President and CEO Next Generation Technologies, Inc. (NGT Inc.) 20006 Cedar Valley Rd. #101 Lynnwood, Wa. 98036-6334 Ph: 425-744-1100 ext. 15 Fx: 425-778-5547 Skype: ed.rosenthal7 EM: edward@ngtvoice.com http://www.ngtvoice.com and http://www.ngtmedical.com This document may have been dictated with speech recognition software. Please disregard any remaining miscrecognitions. From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Hong, Glenda Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 6:49 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Dragon/MathTalk/Scientific Notebook info We have been trying to get our Dragon/MathTalk/Scientific Notebook set up for quite a while now and nothing we have tried seems to work. Our Office of Technology Services seems to think they have it fixed ( and close the work request) and we are left with no functionality for students. Can anyone send me links to ADA Law and to any recent use of the law against a Community College or University that would help me up the interest of administration to get the problems addressed? I have fifteen computers in my lab that need serious attention as on a daily basis at least three will blue screen and dump all physical memory. Iit is never the same three at a time. The high speed scanner and PC it is attached to are non-functional and my office machine on which I work to create alt. format is also blue screening on a daily basis. I have been trying to get across to our OTS and my supervisor that the Assistive Technology Lab needs some serious work before the fall semester begins, but I don't seem to be getting anywhere. I have a student currently in a math class that needs to be able to use the Dragon setup to do his assignments. Any help or advice would be a tremendous help. gh gh business card.bmp 1999 ATACP Houston, TX -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Only 50% of the software they install works as it is suppose to and of the 50% that works the default settings are not the advanced settings that are most effective for students with disabilities. For what it is worth Section 508 is something you can cite. Larry Kiser Santa Fe College Gainesville, FL From: Hong, Glenda [mailto:Glenda.E.Hong@lonestar.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 9:49 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] Dragon/MathTalk/Scientific Notebook info We have been trying to get our Dragon/MathTalk/Scientific Notebook set up for quite a while now and nothing we have tried seems to work. Our Office of Technology Services seems to think they have it fixed ( and close the work request) and we are left with no functionality for students. Can anyone send me links to ADA Law and to any recent use of the law against a Community College or University that would help me up the interest of administration to get the problems addressed? I have fifteen computers in my lab that need serious attention as on a daily basis at least three will blue screen and dump all physical memory. Iit is never the same three at a time. The high speed scanner and PC it is attached to are non-functional and my office machine on which I work to create alt. format is also blue screening on a daily basis. I have been trying to get across to our OTS and my supervisor that the Assistive Technology Lab needs some serious work before the fall semester begins, but I don't seem to be getting anywhere. I have a student currently in a math class that needs to be able to use the Dragon setup to do his assignments. Any help or advice would be a tremendous help. gh [cid:image001.jpg@01CA09F7.EF4C7D60] 1999 ATACP Houston, TX -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 8631 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From shelley at techpotential.net Tue Jul 21 10:43:47 2009 From: shelley at techpotential.net (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon/MathTalk/Scientific Notebook info In-Reply-To: <989487C08D7E16468178BE16F37977260168315F@DIS-MAIL-A.nhmccd.net> References: <989487C08D7E16468178BE16F37977260168315F@DIS-MAIL-A.nhmccd.net> Message-ID: Hi, Glenda! I am not a lawyer ... nor do I play one on TV ;-) ... but hopefully this info can help narrow your search for applicable cases. I think the laws that apply in this situation are Section 504 of the Rehab Act and Title II of the ADA, which (generally speaking) provide students with the rights to equal programmatic access at institutions receiving federal financial assistance. In particular, you might want to look at the 2000 case involving North Carolina State, where the complainant alleged that AT was not maintained, out-of-date, or otherwise non-functional: http://www.icdri.org/legal/north_carolina_state_university_letter.htm Another possibility: Southern Illinois University at Carbondale, where the complainant alleged obsolete AT and a lack of support for adapted computers (some info follows, along with other noteworthy cases): http://disabilityservices.siuc.edu/Grant/Legislation.htm Both cases pointed to the need for maintaining assistive technology once it's purchased, and that AT should be part of an institution-wide plan. Lastly, check out this article on the ATHEN-Pro site: http://www.athenpro.org/node/54 Hope this helps, or at leads heads you in the right direction. - Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant 408-737-2092 www.TechPotential.net On Jul 21, 2009, at 6:48 AM, Hong, Glenda wrote: > We have been trying to get our Dragon/MathTalk/Scientific Notebook > set up for quite a while now and nothing we have tried seems to > work. Our Office of Technology Services seems to think they have it > fixed ( and close the work request) and we are left with no > functionality for students. Can anyone send me links to ADA Law and > to any recent use of the law against a Community College or > University that would help me up the interest of administration to > get the problems addressed? I have fifteen computers in my lab that > need serious attention as on a daily basis at least three will blue > screen and dump all physical memory. Iit is never the same three at > a time. The high speed scanner and PC it is attached to are non- > functional and my office machine on which I work to create alt. > format is also blue screening on a daily basis. I have been trying > to get across to our OTS and my supervisor that the Assistive > Technology Lab needs some serious work before the fall semester > begins, but I don?t seem to be getting anywhere. I have a student > currently in a math class that needs to be able to use the Dragon > setup to do his assignments. Any help or advice would be a > tremendous help. gh > > 1999 ATACP Houston, TX > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone have experience with this sort of material? - Thanks, James -- James Bailey Adaptive Technology Access Adviser, University of Oregon 1501 Kincaid St. Eugene, OR 97403-1299 Office: 541-346-1076 jbailey@uoregon.edu From pminyard at memphis.edu Tue Jul 21 13:14:59 2009 From: pminyard at memphis.edu (Phillip M Minyard (pminyard)) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Textaloud + Text to audio Message-ID: We have both of these programs, Textaloud from NextUp.com at about $40, and Text to Audio from readingmadeez.com at about $70. These are similar, but different programs. Audio files and conversions from one format to another are easy and trouble free with Text to Audio, but Text to Audio won't change languages in midstream. My suggestion is to get both, if you can. Both will cost only about $110.00 Phillip Minyard Disability Services Coordinator Student Disability Services University of Memphis 110 Wilder Tower Memphis, TN 38152-3520 Voice 901 678-2880 - fax 901 678-3070 "Education is what survives when what has been learned has been forgotten." B. F. Skinner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeffreydell99 at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 13:43:30 2009 From: jeffreydell99 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Dell) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Braille Textbooks Message-ID: <6e84aedd0907211343u220932d0p34ab906ea421f5c5@mail.gmail.com> Hello Before I send textbooks to a transcriber I look at some catalogs, usually without success, to see if someone has already transcribed the book. I look on the APH, National Braille Press, and the California Community College Alt Text Production Center's catalogs. Are there other catalogs that I should be looking at? We only have had math books transcribed so I don't do many searches like that. I'd appreciate any tips that you could give me. Jeffrey Dell Cleveland State University Jeff From porter at mail.csi.cuny.edu Tue Jul 21 20:53:31 2009 From: porter at mail.csi.cuny.edu (Sheryll Porter) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Triple impressions Message-ID: <4A668D3B.5040403@mail.csi.cuny.edu> Colleagues, Does your organization/institution own a Triple Impressions Embosser, sold by Enabling Technologies. If you own this device, would you please share your experience with your use and the technical support for the device. Please feel free to respond off the list. My personal address is: sheryll@isp.com Thanks, Sheryll Porter Office of Disability Services College of Staten Island 2800 Victory Blvd Staten Island, NY 10304 718/614-0754 From Glenda.E.Hong at lonestar.edu Wed Jul 22 06:38:03 2009 From: Glenda.E.Hong at lonestar.edu (Hong, Glenda) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Thanks for the Dragon/MathTalk/Scientific Notebook advice Message-ID: <989487C08D7E16468178BE16F3797726017CD838@DIS-MAIL-A.nhmccd.net> Thanks to all of you for the advice and helpful links to legal findings. Things are beginning to move forward and our District Director of Disability Services (at the Lone Star College System Office) and our college Vice President of Student Services have come in to the picture to advocate for change so things are looking a little better than they have been (smile). The Workscan station that we use for high speed scanning and all our alt. formatting is back up and running (had to be replaced) but we are still not able to work with the MathTalk system. We are taking it one day at a time trying new things and I now have hope that we will find a resolution. The other computers will probably be wiped and set up again to make sure we have nothing left of Conflicka or any other virus before fall semester begins. I want you to know that I value the support of ATHEN and enjoy reading all the emails, even though I don't often put in my two cents worth. Have a great rest of the summer. gh ATACP Houston, TX 1999 Glenda Hong Assistive Technology Lab 2700 W. W. Thorne Drive Academic 201-A Houston, TX 77073-3499 281-618-5745 phone 281-618-7107 fax Glenda.E.Hong@lonestar.edu http://lonestar.edu/northharris.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Assist in the development of a list of equipment that can provide accessible alternatives for independent access by target audience. *Method:* Instructional personnel with work with PeopleTech technology fellows to convert existing course content and/or research and develop additional materials to provide a complete course that is accessible to students with print disabilities. *Compensation:* $5000.00 will be paid to participants upon submission of all required materials. Please send inquires and replies to: 5KFaculty@isp.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hadi at illinois.edu Thu Jul 30 11:19:08 2009 From: hadi at illinois.edu (Hadi Rangin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Synchronizing bookmarks Message-ID: Hello, Synchronizing bookmarks/favorites across different browsers and computers has been always a problem for me and very likely for some of you too. After trying several plug-ins, small applications, and methods I finally found a software that resolved my problem. the magic solution is a free software from XMarks (http://xmarks.com). It comes as a plug-in for Firefox and as an small application for IE. It supports also Opra but I don't know in what format it comes. Using this software I was able to synchronize all my bookmarks/favorites across IE and Firefox in 3 computers. Using a free account at xmarks.com your favorites are uploaded to the XMarks server and your browser synchronizes the local bookmarks with the server. The synchronization goes in both direction; local to server and from server to local browser. Enjoy it. Hadi From mpthornton at ualr.edu Thu Jul 30 13:06:06 2009 From: mpthornton at ualr.edu (Melanie Thornton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] treasurer Message-ID: <4A71FD2E.3090302@ualr.edu> Hi all. Who is the current treasurer of ATHEN? Need to email you off list. Thanks! Melanie -- Melanie Thornton Director, Project PACE Associate Director, Disability Resource Center 2801 S. University Ave., DSC #103 Little Rock, Arkansas 72204 501.650.2239 (cell) 501.569.8240 (fax) 501.569.3217 (tty) Websites: http://ualr.edu/pace http://ualr.edu/disability AIM: MelanieatUALR ************************************ This message contains information which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual(s) named above. Please be aware that filing this email in publicly accessible records, or any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. ******************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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