From dann at digilifemedia.biz Mon Feb 1 07:03:37 2010 From: dann at digilifemedia.biz (Dann Berkowitz) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] JAWS problem with RTF In-Reply-To: <61634995.259.1264083012977.JavaMail.root@mail> Message-ID: <1756660115.627.1265036617642.JavaMail.root@mail> Hello everyone, You all may recall that a couple of weeks ago I asked a question about JAWS having problems reading RTF documents that were created in/saved through Microsoft Word. Well, what we have discovered is that at some point in the past three to six months Microsoft released an update to its Microsoft Word product line that is at the root of the problem. In laymans terms this update caused issues with the carriage returns at the end of text lines that JAWS for Windows relies upon for verbosity control (specifically the "pausing" at the end of each line). As far as we can tell it is an issue with JAWS versions 8.0 and above and MS Word Versions 2003 and above or any combination of these. My business partner Adam Randazzo developed a simple tool to fix this problem and describes it better than I can in the next portion of this email. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Adam P. Randazzo" Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 7:51:23 AM Here is a tool that should fix the problem. Simply take a rtf file as an input and click fix. A file will be made called (fileName).fixed.rtf This file should work now using Jaws. Please let me know and confirm that this works. If it works its great! If not back to the drawing board, but this is a start and a show of good faith to make this right. To let you know the problem. It did not actually have to do with the conversion process at all it has to do with the way Jaws now interacts with RTF. RTF uses a soft return or a line feed to go to next line to help preserver formatting. Jaws does not read this as a line feed it actually does not read it at all. Therefor when the end of line does not have a punctuation Jaws will merge it with the next word on the next line. It sees nothing separating it. So for example if we have "Word1" "Word2" Jaws would read it as "Word1Word2" In rtf the line feed code is /line this comes at the end of every line I simply told it to place a space before the /line this will cause the last word of the line to have an extra space before the next line. When Jaws sees this it will now read the last word then a space before it tries to read the next word. The tool I have built does this all for you automatically. Please confirm it does work as planned. This is a wider problem with JAWS. ----- End Forwarded Message ----- All in all I am amazed that within the span of less than a month we as a company - and Adam in particular - were able to identify a problem with the software products of two major companies and develop a solution for an individual client. I have to assume that locating and fixing such an issue would have taken either Freedon Scientific or Microsoft far longer. In fact, from now on each and every RTF conversion that we perform for clients will be run through this tool and we will offer to each of our clients as well as other interested parties for no charge. It should be avialbe for download from our website soon. Cheers --- Dann +++++++++++++++++++++++ Daniel Berkowitz Digilife Media, LLC 809 E. Bloomingdale Avenue # 261 Brandon, FL 33511-8113 phone: 978-914-4601 fax: 813-689-4328 [please include Digilife Media #261 on cover sheet] e-mail: dann@digilifemedia.biz web: www.digilifemedia.biz From normajean.brand at hccs.edu Mon Feb 1 13:43:22 2010 From: normajean.brand at hccs.edu (normajean.brand) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] question about Kindle Message-ID: <801E7AFBD02DE54BA988F6520E408E1D014A891C@ADMINMAIL1.ad.hccs.edu> I don't have a Kindle to play with at this moment so I can't find out whether or not the Kindle displays images, such as images that would be needed for an art history class, with enough clarity and in color that someone with moderate to severe visual imparity would be able to identify them. Or, if the images in black and white, grayscale would be viewable. I know that there are so many variables in one's vision that my question might not even be a reasonable one to ask, but I'm not sure how else to ask it. 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Design Leadership Project, FY 2010 In response to the NEA announced rfp for Universal Design Leadership Project, FY 2010, a cross-discipline group at the University of Colorado-Boulder, including the Division of ENVD in the College of Architecture and Planning and Disability Services is proposing a cooperative project that will promote and raise awareness of universal design for architecture. The proposed project \will include the following: 1 - Create a 3-D interactive program that can be used to simulate moving through a physical design, building, or terrain (such as a campus or mall) which has universal design features. (Could use the black box theater at ATLAS for special, publicized demonstrations). 2 - Use this as a resource to educate the community, to publicize UD principles and as a tool for design classes within the university - i.e. Architecture & Planning. 3 - Work with Architecture & Planning to incorporate UD principles into their curriculum. 4 - In addition to the 3D interactive program, link interested parties to information resources on UD. Activities/Outcomes 1. Hold a national conference (in tandem with existing AHG conference) on the topic of UD in Architecture. 2. Hold a series of special talks at the Black Box theater, demonstrating the interactive program simulating UD environments. 3. Work with national architectural organizations and present at architectural conferences around the country. 4. Place the demonstration program on the web to allow greater access to the simulation program. From skeegan at stanford.edu Tue Feb 2 00:02:32 2010 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean J Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Reminder: ATHEN Website survey! Message-ID: <4B67DC18.5030106@stanford.edu> Dear ATHEN members, We are conducting a short survey regarding the ATHEN website and what features and functionality the ATHEN community would like to see implemented. Any information provided remains anonymous and is intended to help prioritize the features and future development of the ATHEN website. The survey may be accessed at: http://www.stanford.edu/~skeegan/athen/websurvey.fb This survey should take approximately 5 minutes to complete and will be available until February 5, 2010. Your feedback and input is necessary and we look forward to your comments regarding the future development of the ATHEN website. Thank you, Sean -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of normajean.brand Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 3:43 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] question about Kindle I don't have a Kindle to play with at this moment so I can't find out whether or not the Kindle displays images, such as images that would be needed for an art history class, with enough clarity and in color that someone with moderate to severe visual imparity would be able to identify them. Or, if the images in black and white, grayscale would be viewable. I know that there are so many variables in one's vision that my question might not even be a reasonable one to ask, but I'm not sure how else to ask it. Regards, Norma Jean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bookeye's overhead scan design and scan/print electronics with auto-focus and book-fold correction not only prevent damage to delicate books, http://www.dlsg.net/bookeye.htm Kenneth Elkind Adaptive Technology Specialist University of Massachusetts - Boston IT-ED Tech Operations Healey Library /UL/ 032 617-287-5243 Kenneth.Elkind@umb.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at altformatsolutions.com Tue Feb 2 14:08:52 2010 From: ron at altformatsolutions.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Teachers and Students Needed for Chemistry Tutorial Review Message-ID: <04db01caa454$4e146cd0$ea3d4670$@com> Seems like a great opportunity Ron From: Susan [mailto:chrn3292@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:22 PM To: Alternate Media Subject: Teachers and Students Needed for Chemistry Tutorial Review This announcement is from the APH (American Printing House) newsletter. Please forward to anyone who may qualify. Susan Teachers and Students Needed for Chemistry Tutorial Review Jeff Dittel, of Quantum Simulations, Inc. (http://www.quantumsimulations.com/index.php), reports that they have built accessibility into their Quantum Chemistry Tutors, and need to field test the Tutors with blind and visually impaired students as part of a two-year federal research project funded by the National Institutes of Health (NIH). Chemistry topics include: Chemical Bonding; Elements; Chemical Reactions; Equation Balancing; Ionic Compound Formulas; Mathematics of Chemical Formulas; Measurement; Oxidation Numbers; Stoichiometry While primarily for high school and college-level students, some of the Tutors are applicable for middle school students such as Elements, Measurement and Chemical Reactions; so students from all three levels can participate. In order to meet the requirements for the grant study, Quantum will need to receive the student feedback surveys by February 26, 2010, and estimate that it will take 1 to 2 hours of time for which they will offer an honorarium of $100. Please contact Jeff at dittel@quantumsimulations.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From normajean.brand at hccs.edu Tue Feb 2 14:27:27 2010 From: normajean.brand at hccs.edu (normajean.brand) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] question about Kindle In-Reply-To: References: <801E7AFBD02DE54BA988F6520E408E1D014A891C@ADMINMAIL1.ad.hccs.edu> Message-ID: <801E7AFBD02DE54BA988F6520E408E1D014A8A41@ADMINMAIL1.ad.hccs.edu> Thank you Susan! It is as I suspected. NJ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M. Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:30 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] question about Kindle That answer would be no, for the most part. The Kindle is black and white only, and the images I've seen from uploaded textbooks are not that great (and usually cannot be enlarged, either). I am using the Kindle DX (the bigger one). Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of normajean.brand Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 3:43 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] question about Kindle I don't have a Kindle to play with at this moment so I can't find out whether or not the Kindle displays images, such as images that would be needed for an art history class, with enough clarity and in color that someone with moderate to severe visual imparity would be able to identify them. Or, if the images in black and white, grayscale would be viewable. I know that there are so many variables in one's vision that my question might not even be a reasonable one to ask, but I'm not sure how else to ask it. Regards, Norma Jean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net Wed Feb 3 01:53:01 2010 From: ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Textbook publishers strike deals to bring content to Apple iPad Message-ID: According to the Wall Street Journal, Apple and major textbook publishers have struck deals to bring content to the iPad using the technology of ScrollMotion, developer of the iPhone app Iceberg Reader. Here are some quotes from the two articles, with links below: "The Wall Street Journal reports (subscription required) that major textbook publishers have struck deals with Apple to bring their content to the iPad. According to the report, textbook publishers will rely on the technology of ScrollMotion, which already has experience developing such content for the iPhone." http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/02/textbook-publishers-strike-deals-to-bring-content-to-ipad/ "According to the article, ScrollMotion would take files provided by publishers and adapt them to fit on the iPad platform - adding enhancements such as search, dictionaries, glossaries, interactive quizzes, and page numbers. Expanded features could include video, highlightable text, lecture recording, and note taking." http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/02/02/scrollmotion_tapped_by_publishers_to_develop_textbook_apps_for_ipad.html I didn't find anything on Iceberg Reader accessibility or functionality with Voiceover, but it's interesting to note that text in the reader is selectable -- you can copy and paste it. However, this the following blog entry in Special Education Today indicates that, as with the Kindle, publishers can turn off that feature. But at least the capability is already there. http://specialeducationtoday.com/category/daisy-for-iphone/ - Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant Shelley@TechPotential.net www.TechPotential.net From norm.coombs at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 11:16:41 2010 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] anyone have info on accessibility of Facebook Lite? Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20100205111356.022f6790@pop.gmail.com> Hi: I know next to nothing about Facebook except my grandson has a farm there. I just ran across lite.facebook.com It claims to be faster and simpler. I am embarrased to confess I registered to learn about it. Never expected to be on Facebook. To me, on brief examination, it seems like Facebook lite is qute accessible. Anyone got opinions or experience???? Norm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Once you choose hope, anything's possible. Christopher Reeve Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com CEO EASI Equal Access to Software and Information phone (949) 855-4852 (NOTE pacific time zone) ****READ ABOUT THE DICK BANKS MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP: http://easi.cc/scholarship.htm From jon.pielaet at mso.umt.edu Fri Feb 5 14:27:46 2010 From: jon.pielaet at mso.umt.edu (Pielaet, Jon) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] anyone have info on accessibility of Facebook Lite? In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20100205111356.022f6790@pop.gmail.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20100205111356.022f6790@pop.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6D6D5D870B9D6243922DB0F261E70A000295F031@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> Yes. Facebook Lite is a much better experience for anyone trying to use a screen reader or any other assistive technology. The lite version is mostly HTML\CSS and doesn't include many of the applications or games that make the full version of Facebook so popular (Like your grandson's Farmville game). The Games and Web Apps are almost exclusively coded in flash and are not very accessible at all. In addition to using Facebook Lite, you can also choose to have many of the messages posted to your facebook profile sent to you via e-mail or text message. This too enhances the usability of facebook for people using assistive technology. Tools like friendfeed, and pixelpipe can help integrate social networking updates from sources (like e-mail) to networks (like facebook) as well. Check them out, Jon Jon P. Pielaet Program Assistant for Instructional Materials Disability Services for Students Emma B. Lommasson 154 The University of Montana Missoula, MT 59812 www.umt.edu/dss/ 406-243-2243 Voice/Text 406-243-4461 Direct Line 406-243-5330 Fax -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:17 PM To: athen-athenpro.org Subject: [Athen] anyone have info on accessibility of Facebook Lite? Hi: I know next to nothing about Facebook except my grandson has a farm there. I just ran across lite.facebook.com It claims to be faster and simpler. I am embarrased to confess I registered to learn about it. Never expected to be on Facebook. To me, on brief examination, it seems like Facebook lite is qute accessible. Anyone got opinions or experience???? Norm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Once you choose hope, anything's possible. Christopher Reeve Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com CEO EASI Equal Access to Software and Information phone (949) 855-4852 (NOTE pacific time zone) ****READ ABOUT THE DICK BANKS MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP: http://easi.cc/scholarship.htm _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From hascherdss at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 08:33:14 2010 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Student survey - will you share? Message-ID: <6e0d34c91002080833v10cf70d3ya3c288b78e4c45b0@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, In an effort to not recreate the wheel, I'm hoping that some of you who have already developed student surveys (regarding AT/Alt Media services) would be willing to share your surveys? I would greatly appreciate anything that you would be willing to share!! Happy Monday to all! 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Message-ID: <7bea219b1002081311j29eb8637p1602d0c57dd5f69@mail.gmail.com> This is a CART-specific survey, and it's written from my own perspective as a service provider rather than that of an assistive technology department, but maybe you'll still find it useful: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/J2SPDRY -- Mirabai Knight, CCP 917 576 4989 mkk@stenoknight.com http://stenoknight.com From jhausler at cahs.colostate.edu Mon Feb 8 13:12:05 2010 From: jhausler at cahs.colostate.edu (Hausler,Jesse) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Sony and ePub and Daisy Message-ID: <3F3B6F21B523744BBA0EF420CCD8078F877F1A5421@ODIN.CAHS.ColoState.EDU> Hey Guys, I am doing research into book readers for students with learning disabilities. I've searched this listserv and a few others, but am still somewhat confused about ePub and Daisy. From what I understand, ePub is a umbrella standard that consists of several e-book specifications. According to the "all knowing" Wikipedia: "EPUB internally uses XHTML or DTBook (an XML standard provided by the DAISY Consortium) to represent the text and structure of the content document, and a subset of CSS to provide layout and formatting." If this is the case, why have I read in so many places (including the listserv) that the Sony reader will not play DAISY? Assuming there is no DRM (from RFB&D or otherwise), will the Sony Reader play a DAISY book? Thanks, Jesse Hausler Colorado State University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hascherdss at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 13:32:03 2010 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Student survey - will you share? In-Reply-To: <7bea219b1002081311j29eb8637p1602d0c57dd5f69@mail.gmail.com> References: <7bea219b1002081311j29eb8637p1602d0c57dd5f69@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e0d34c91002081332x1dd25035nec34e26a4f9f74d8@mail.gmail.com> Hi Mirabai, We definitely will find this helpful! Our plan is to develop three different surveys, one of which will be for students who use transcription/interpreting services! You must be a mind reader (smile) THANKS so much! Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 479.575.7445 fax 479.575.3646 tdd +++++++++++++++ On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Mirabai Knight, CCP wrote: > This is a CART-specific survey, and it's written from my own > perspective as a service provider rather than that of an assistive > technology department, but maybe you'll still find it useful: > > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/J2SPDRY > > -- > Mirabai Knight, CCP > 917 576 4989 > mkk@stenoknight.com > http://stenoknight.com > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.pielaet at mso.umt.edu Mon Feb 8 13:51:28 2010 From: jon.pielaet at mso.umt.edu (Pielaet, Jon) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Sony and ePub and Daisy In-Reply-To: <3F3B6F21B523744BBA0EF420CCD8078F877F1A5421@ODIN.CAHS.ColoState.EDU> References: <3F3B6F21B523744BBA0EF420CCD8078F877F1A5421@ODIN.CAHS.ColoState.EDU> Message-ID: <6D6D5D870B9D6243922DB0F261E70A000295F22A@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> Jesse, The Sony Reader doesn't natively support full DAISY filesets. Which are made up of DTBook XML or HTML, NCX files, and SMIL files. The Sony Reader does support EPUB. An EPUB book can potentially contain DAISY (DTBook) XML but that has yet to happen in any meaningful commercial market. So Wikipedia is correct. It's just that EPUB and DAISY haven't been accepted as sister technologies yet. This doesn't mean you can't get the content of a text-only DAISY book onto a Sony Reader. It simply means that it isn't always easy to maintain the original format or navigation features of the DAISY book. If you are scanning your own books into DAISY XML then you could most certainly put that XML into a working EPUB file. DRM is another issue onto itself. Don't even get me started J Jon Jon P. Pielaet Program Assistant for Instructional Materials Disability Services for Students Emma B. Lommasson 154 The University of Montana Missoula, MT 59812 www.umt.edu/dss/ 406-243-2243 Voice/Text 406-243-4461 Direct Line 406-243-5330 Fax From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Hausler,Jesse Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 2:12 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Sony and ePub and Daisy Hey Guys, I am doing research into book readers for students with learning disabilities. I've searched this listserv and a few others, but am still somewhat confused about ePub and Daisy. From what I understand, ePub is a umbrella standard that consists of several e-book specifications. According to the "all knowing" Wikipedia: "EPUB internally uses XHTML or DTBook (an XML standard provided by the DAISY Consortium) to represent the text and structure of the content document, and a subset of CSS to provide layout and formatting." If this is the case, why have I read in so many places (including the listserv) that the Sony reader will not play DAISY? Assuming there is no DRM (from RFB&D or otherwise), will the Sony Reader play a DAISY book? Thanks, Jesse Hausler Colorado State University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Mon Feb 8 15:41:52 2010 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Sony and ePub and Daisy In-Reply-To: <3F3B6F21B523744BBA0EF420CCD8078F877F1A5421@ODIN.CAHS.ColoState.EDU> References: <3F3B6F21B523744BBA0EF420CCD8078F877F1A5421@ODIN.CAHS.ColoState.EDU> Message-ID: <0cb201caa918$4ac823a0$e0586ae0$@org> Hi Jesse, This can get confusing, so let me do my best to explain the differences. As time goes on the overlap between the two formats may increase, because the DAISY consortium recently agreed to be the standard maintenance organization for ePub. ePub and DAISY share some similarities but they are very different standards. ePub is designed to be the format that the trade (Bookstore) community uses for electronic books and is overseen by the IDPF (International Digital Publishing Forum) The current standard contains a DAISY book amongst its internal contents but is typically locked up in the proprietary delivery format that the individual publishers and book distributors use. DAISY is the standard for accessible digital talking books. They may or may not have DRM, but that DRM typically does not block the accessibility of the material. RFBD DRM is tied to the device and that is why you need a player from them to play their books. To play DAISY materials you need a DAISY players and several of the commercial players play ePub along with several other formats. Unfortunately the eBook reader manufactures have not typically included a DAISY player in their devices or in their software, if they did you could also play DAISY materials on them. No the Sony eReader, or the Kindle will play DAISY formatted materials as far as I am aware. It would be a simple fix, and with the recent litigation around the Kindle it may be something we see in short order. Ron Stewart From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Hausler,Jesse Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:12 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Sony and ePub and Daisy Hey Guys, I am doing research into book readers for students with learning disabilities. I've searched this listserv and a few others, but am still somewhat confused about ePub and Daisy. From what I understand, ePub is a umbrella standard that consists of several e-book specifications. According to the "all knowing" Wikipedia: "EPUB internally uses XHTML or DTBook (an XML standard provided by the DAISY Consortium) to represent the text and structure of the content document, and a subset of CSS to provide layout and formatting." If this is the case, why have I read in so many places (including the listserv) that the Sony reader will not play DAISY? Assuming there is no DRM (from RFB&D or otherwise), will the Sony Reader play a DAISY book? Thanks, Jesse Hausler Colorado State University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hadi at illinois.edu Wed Feb 10 08:07:41 2010 From: hadi at illinois.edu (Hadi Rangin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Qualtrics Accessibility Interest Group kick-off meeting Message-ID: hello everyone, We started another collaboration project called Qualtrics Accessibility Interest Group. The goal of the Qualtrics Accessibility Interest Group is to work with qualtrics collaboratively to identify accessibility issues, test for accessibility, and help Qualtrics product development team to improve the accessibility/usability of their product for everyone including users with disabilities. I am pleased to announce that Alice Anderson has agreed to lead this group. If you have any questions please contact Alice at akander1@wisc.edu or me at hadi@illinois.edu. The Qualtrics Collaboration site is located at: http://collaborate.athenpro.org/group/qualtrics Please Join the colalboration group if you haven't done it yet. Access to the Qualtrics related materials will be given only to the registered members. The kick-off meeting will be on Thursday February 18 2010 at 11:00 Central time. Please mark your calendar and make sure that you join the group by then. Note that Bryce Winkelman, our main Qualtrics contact person indicated that he prefers to allow access to the collaboration information only to Qualtrics Accessibility Group members. This would mean that all group members need to sign an NDA with Qualtrics. You can access the NDA on the Qualtrics Accessibility Interst Group Home Page at: http://collaborate.athenpro.org/group/qualtrics Thanks, Hadi From B.G.Whitehouse at lboro.ac.uk Wed Feb 10 10:29:20 2010 From: B.G.Whitehouse at lboro.ac.uk (B.G.Whitehouse@lboro.ac.uk) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] experiences of using ebooks aggregators websites Message-ID: Has any visually impaired person on this group ever tried using ebooks aggregators websites to rad a book, I'm talking about things like netlibrary, ebooklib, ebrary etc? Or has any support worker on the group dealt with a visually impaired student who had to use these sites? How did people find them? I've spent some time looking around them as a blind user and frankly didn't enjoy the experience. Guy From hadi at illinois.edu Wed Feb 10 12:54:41 2010 From: hadi at illinois.edu (Hadi Rangin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Qualtrics Accessibility Interest Group References: Message-ID: hello everyone, We started another collaboration project called Qualtrics Accessibility Interest Group. The goal of the Qualtrics Accessibility Interest Group is to work with qualtrics collaboratively to identify accessibility issues, test for accessibility, and help Qualtrics product development team to improve the accessibility/usability of their product for everyone including users with disabilities. I am pleased to announce that Alice Anderson has agreed to lead this group. If you have any questions please contact Alice at akander1@wisc.edu or me at hadi@illinois.edu. The Qualtrics Collaboration site is located at: http://collaborate.athenpro.org/group/qualtrics Please Join the colalboration group if you haven't done it yet. Access to the Qualtrics related materials will be given only to the registered members. The kick-off meeting will be on Thursday February 18 2010 at 11:00 Central time. Please mark your calendar and make sure that you join the group by then. Note that Bryce Winkelman, our main Qualtrics contact person indicated that he prefers to allow access to the collaboration information only to Qualtrics Accessibility Group members. This would mean that all group members need to sign an NDA with Qualtrics. You can access the NDA on the Qualtrics Accessibility Interst Group Home Page at: http://collaborate.athenpro.org/group/qualtrics Thanks, Hadi From ron at ahead.org Thu Feb 11 10:23:53 2010 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Understanding disabled students experiences of technology and e-learning at university Message-ID: <007801caab47$5e232630$1a697290$@org> Interesting project in the UK. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff. [mailto:DIS-FORUM@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Seale J.K. Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:07 PM To: DIS-FORUM@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Understanding disabled students experiences of technology and e-learning at university Dear Colleagues We are writing to remind you about the outcomes of JISC funded project called LEXDIS which used participatory methods to explore disabled students use and experiences of technologies and e-learning at university. The key findings of the project were that although many disabled students are skilled and confident users of technologies, they can find themselves having to make sophisticated and complex decisions about how they use technologies to support their learning. Several factors influence this decision-making, most notably the timeliness of support. In making these decisions, disabled learners frequently find themselves conducting a cost-benefit analysis, and sometimes have to negotiate unenviable "catch-22's". One key outcome of the project is a website, which several of the student participants helped to design and develop, which uses information about the strategies disabled students employ when using technologies, drawn from the student stories and case studies, to provide advice and guidance to lecturers and others working in higher education. This can be viewed at: http://www.lexdis.org.uk/ Six key recommendations were drawn out from the results from the LEXDIS that can inform the practice of lecturers, support staff and learning technologists within Higher Education Institutions. The majority of these recommendations are based around recognition of where difficulties lie for disabled students: 1.Improve and increase the availability of desktop personalisation across institutional networks: so that students can log in with their own colour, font and accessibility options. 2.Increase the level of provision for online material 3.Raise awareness and understanding for all those staff concerned with implementing and using Virtual Learning Environments regarding accessibility issues caused by cross- course differences and inconsistencies 4.Increase the level of awareness for the use of alternative formats: 5.Be prepared to recognise the digital literacy skills that many disabled students have 6.Design and develop learning opportunities and support systems that recognise the significant factors that influence disabled students use of technology, notably time: Full project reports on the participatory methods used to capture and represent the voices of disabled students and the results obtained can be found at: http://www.lexdis.org/project/reports We would be happy to talk with you further about the implications of the findings from the project for future policy, practice or research. If you would like a hard copy of the report(s) please feel free to contact Jane Seale at: J.K.Seale@soton.ac.uk Yours sincerely Dr Jane Seale, EA Draffan and Mike Wald -------------------------------------------- Jane K Seale Phd, 02380 594784. J.K.Seale@soton.ac.uk http://janekseale.blogspot.com/ Director of Research Degrees, School of Education Head of Social Justice & Inclusion Research Centre Convenor of TLRP Digital Inclusion Forum: http://www.tlrp.org/tel/digital_inclusion/ Co-director of National centre for Research Methods: http://www.ncrm.ac.uk/ * Subscribe to the monthly Research Methods Ebulletin http://www.ncrm.ac.uk/news/subscribe Co-editor of new Routledge book: http://preview.tinyurl.com/mqewo4 "Understanding and promoting access for people with learning difficulties: seeing the opportunities and challenges of risk". From ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net Fri Feb 12 01:09:00 2010 From: ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] PaperShow captures handwriting, sends it wirelessly to computer Message-ID: Have any of you ever used the device PaperShow, by the company Canson? It's kind of a cross between a Livescribe Pulse smartpen and a mimio whiteboard capture system. Using the same microdot paper technology developed by Anoto, one writes on the paper with the PaperShow pen, which wirelessly transmits the writing to a Mac or PC (and thus can be projected). Using the PaperShow software, you can print out an image or text on that special paper, write or draw on the paper, and see your mark ups added to the image or text on the screen in real time. You can even use the pen to erase annotations. Unlike the Livescribe, though, there are no audio capabilities. Cost is $199. Here's a link to the PaperShow website: http://www.papershow.com/us/index.asp Apparently it's been out for about a year, and the company announced a Mac version yesterday at the Macworld Expo in San Francisco: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/11/mwsf-2010-demo-cansons-papershow/ Seems like there ought to be some cool assistive technology applications for this... - Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant Shelley@TechPotential.net www.TechPotential.net From hascherdss at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 06:47:52 2010 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] PaperShow captures handwriting, sends it wirelessly to computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6e0d34c91002120647j18633af2g59ce96d7f348b94f@mail.gmail.com> Since they both use the same microdot technology, I wonder if this could be used with the Livescribe notebooks if the user had the toolbar from the PaperShow in the notebook as well? The notebooks are 4 (100 pages each) notebooks for $20 and the PaperShow paper is 200 sheets for $20 (Amazon.com prices). I could see great benefits if these could be used with the same notebooks! Thanks for sharing, Shelley! Happy Friday to all!!! Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 479.575.7445 fax 479.575.3646 tdd +++++++++++++++ On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 3:09 AM, Shelley Haven < ShelleyHaven@techpotential.net> wrote: > Have any of you ever used the device PaperShow, by the company Canson? > It's kind of a cross between a Livescribe Pulse smartpen and a mimio > whiteboard capture system. Using the same microdot paper technology > developed by Anoto, one writes on the paper with the PaperShow pen, which > wirelessly transmits the writing to a Mac or PC (and thus can be projected). > Using the PaperShow software, you can print out an image or text on that > special paper, write or draw on the paper, and see your mark ups added to > the image or text on the screen in real time. You can even use the pen to > erase annotations. Unlike the Livescribe, though, there are no audio > capabilities. Cost is $199. > > Here's a link to the PaperShow website: > http://www.papershow.com/us/index.asp > > Apparently it's been out for about a year, and the company announced a Mac > version yesterday at the Macworld Expo in San Francisco: > http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/11/mwsf-2010-demo-cansons-papershow/ > > Seems like there ought to be some cool assistive technology applications > for this... > > - Shelley > > _____________________________ > Shelley Haven ATP, RET > Assistive Technology Consultant > Shelley@TechPotential.net > www.TechPotential.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norm.coombs at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 21:59:19 2010 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Webinar March 3: free open source screen reader Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20100214215530.022c69e0@pop.gmail.com> Webinar: NVDA: Non Visual Desktop Access: The free and open source Windows Screen Reader that?s closing the digital divide! Imagine! A free public Webinar about a free screen reader that really works and is being used by more than 8% of all screen reader users world wide in over 20 languages! It?s NVDA ? it?s free ? it?s open source ? it's portable - it works on any Windows based PC -and it?s functionally comparable to commercial offerings. NV Access inc. an Australian not-for-profit organization supports and manages NVDA. "We believe that accessibility should not be an extra cost for the user. Blind and vision impaired people have the right to access technology at no more cost than their sighted peers. Our goal is to make that happen!" So register to hear one of the founders of NV Access talk about how well managed Free & open source software can further these goals and hear how NVDA is really closing the digital divide for blind and vision impaired users across the globe. Presenter: Mat Mirabella, secretary and co-founder of NV Access Inc. Date: Wednesday March 3, 2010 Times: GMT/UTC, 9pm US: 1pm Pacific, 2pm Mountain, 3pm Central, 4pm Eastern Australian eastern (Daylight savings): 8am, Thursday March 4, 2010 For more information about NVAccess, go to: www.NVAccess.org For more information about NVDA and to download go to: www.NVDA-project.org EASI is embarrassed that we had to reschedule this from Feb. 10 because of a problem we caused with the registration process. Register to save a seat for yourself in the room and to be on the email list to get the Webinar' recording at: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Once you choose hope, anything's possible. Christopher Reeve Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com CEO EASI Equal Access to Software and Information phone (949) 855-4852 (NOTE pacific time zone) ****READ ABOUT THE DICK BANKS MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP: http://easi.cc/scholarship.htm From hunziker at email.arizona.edu Mon Feb 15 15:41:34 2010 From: hunziker at email.arizona.edu (Dawn Hunziker) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] [Fwd: Assistive Technology Specialist **position open**] Message-ID: <4B79DBAE.40606@email.arizona.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net Tue Feb 16 09:17:37 2010 From: ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Nuance acquires MacSpeech Message-ID: Now this could be really good! Speech recognition for both Macs and Windows PCs will now be under one roof: http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/16/nuance-acquires-macspeech-beefs-up-plans-for-dragon-speech-recognition-for-mac/ Nuance Acquires MacSpeech, Beefs Up Plans for Dragon Speech Recognition for Mac Nuance Communications today announced that it has acquired MacSpeech, the leading provider of speech recognition products for the Mac platform. MacSpeech's "Dictate" product for Mac OS X, selected as Best of Show at Macworld San Francisco 2008, already utilizes Nuance's Dragon NaturallySpeaking speech recognition engine and will allow Nuance to build on its current success with Dragon applications for the iPhone and move into the Mac environment. "We have heard from our customers -- and from the Mac community at large -- for years that they want Dragon for the Mac environment," said Peter Mahoney, senior vice president and general manager for Dragon, Nuance Communications. "In 2008, MacSpeech licensed our underlying Dragon dictation technology to deliver MacSpeech Dictate, and the demand has only continued to grow, fueled recently by our recent launch of Dragon Dictation for the iPhone. MacSpeech's knowledge of the Mac platform and its deep understanding of Mac users, coupled with our decades-long experience with speech recognition and the popular Dragon brand, will allow us to provide the world's best dictation technology in a solution that is 100-percent Mac." According to the press release, Nuance plans to leverage its existing Dragon branding and expertise in marketing, distribution, and research and development to drive growth of the MacSpeech line of products. Late last year, Nuance introduced its free Dragon Dictation application for the iPhone, which has remained the #1 free application in the App Store's "Business" category since its release. The release was followed up by the launch of Dragon Search, a free voice-enabled search application for the iPhone capable of interfacing with such sources as Google, Bing, YouTube, and Wikipedia. ____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant Shelley@TechPotential.net www.TechPotential.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net Tue Feb 16 09:28:43 2010 From: ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] More on DRM for Apple iPad ebooks Message-ID: <30CCAE30-CE61-47CF-99AD-D9ACD041A328@techpotential.net> The LA Times reports that Apple is offering their DRM "FairPlay" (currently used on iTunes) to publishers for their ePub- formatted ebooks on the upcoming iPad. It limits how many times digital songs can be copied to other devices; presumably it would work the same, limiting how many instances of a downloaded ebook could co- exist on a user's devices. (Link below article.) Apple to wrap digital books in FairPlay copy protection [Clarified] February 15, 2010 When Apple launches its iBook store to sell titles for its new iPad device in March, many of its titles are expected to come with a set of handsome digital locks designed to deter piracy. Veteran iTunes customers will recognize the locks as FairPlay, a digital rights management software that once limited how many times digital songs can be copied onto different computers. (Apple phased out FairPlay for music a year ago, and now sells unfettered tunes.) Next month, Apple will be dusting off those digital cuffs for books, according to sources in the publishing industry. No doubt some publishers, including O'Reilly Media -- which has vociferously argued that digital locks are harmful to sales -- will opt not to deploy FairPlay. (O'Reilly, which puts out technical books, was not on the list of five publishers during Apple's announcement of the iPad, but is discussing a deal with Apple.) But the majority of publishers are expected to embrace FairPlay, along with other copy protection software such as Adobe's Content Server 4, as a means to squelch incipient book piracy as the e-book market begins to take off. -- Alex Pham Clarified 1:50 pm: An earlier version of this post said Apple phased out FairPlay a year ago and now sells songs without DRM. Apple continues to use FairPlay to protect other iTunes content. Thanks to our readers for noticing this omission! http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/02/apple-ibooks-drm-fairplay.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pwhite3 at exchange.calstatela.edu Tue Feb 16 11:50:25 2010 From: pwhite3 at exchange.calstatela.edu (White, Phillip B.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Need your help In-Reply-To: <014e01c956e8$1c791af0$556b50d0$@org> References: <014e01c956e8$1c791af0$556b50d0$@org> Message-ID: <249223C7F58DC140A96F27C89DBAF12F056CDC64@santafe7.academic.ad.calstatela.edu> We have taken on a new venture of publishing a blog for students with disabilities in higher education called Osdhorn (http://osdhorn.wordpress.com). Currently we are seeking writers who are interested in writing about the following themes: 1. disability and civil rights laws, policies and procedures and how they affect students in college 2. assistive technology and technology developments affecting persons with disabilities 3. Universal design and physical access issues on campuses 4. general student issues, including but not limited to scholarships, cost of higher ed, social issues, job development We are also interested in listing publications and books that cover such topics. If you have written materials and want exposure, please send us the following: a. book cover photo b. synopsis of subject covered c. link to where it can be purchased Help us encourage students with disabilities to contribute to this discussion. They need to have a voice, and Osdhorn gives them a place to converse about their experiences and interests. Please forward this message to those employed in providing services to students with disabilities at your institution. Thanks Phillip White Adaptive Technology Coordinator Cal State University Los Angeles osdpublisher@gmail.com pwhite3@exchange.calstatela.edu Links: Books by and about persons with disabilities: http://osdhorn.wordpress.com/books-by-and-a?h-disabilities/ Article: Jobs for the disabled http://osdhorn.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/jobs-for-the-disabled/ Article: 20 years before they get it! http://osdhorn.wordpress.com/2010/02/02/20-years-before-they-get-it/ ? Article: Amazing Ability comes from Disability http://osdhorn.wordpress.com/2010/02/02/amazing-abilit?rom-disability/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nettiet at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 12:04:50 2010 From: nettiet at gmail.com (Nettie Fischer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Need your help In-Reply-To: <249223C7F58DC140A96F27C89DBAF12F056CDC64@santafe7.academic.ad.calstatela.edu> References: <014e01c956e8$1c791af0$556b50d0$@org> <249223C7F58DC140A96F27C89DBAF12F056CDC64@santafe7.academic.ad.calstatela.edu> Message-ID: I have nothing to offer at this time but wish you all the best success. I think this is an opportunity for young people with disabilities to look ahead towards college and how they can become their best advocate. Nettie Fischer, ATP NettieT, ATP Consultants 2010/2/16 White, Phillip B. > We have taken on a new venture of publishing a blog for students with > disabilities in higher education called Osdhorn ( > http://osdhorn.wordpress.com). Currently we are seeking writers who are > interested in writing about the following themes: > > > > 1. disability and civil rights laws, policies and procedures and how they > affect students in college > > 2. assistive technology and technology developments affecting persons with > disabilities > > 3. Universal design and physical access issues on campuses > > 4. general student issues, including but not limited to scholarships, cost > of higher ed, social issues, job development > > > > We are also interested in listing publications and books that cover such > topics. If you have written materials and want exposure, please send us the > following: > > > > a. book cover photo > > b. synopsis of subject covered > > c. link to where it can be purchased > > > > Help us encourage students with disabilities to contribute to this > discussion. They need to have a voice, and Osdhorn gives them a place to > converse about their experiences and interests. Please forward this message > to those employed in providing services to students with disabilities at > your institution. > > > > Thanks > > > > Phillip White > > Adaptive Technology Coordinator > > Cal State University Los Angeles > > osdpublisher@gmail.com > > pwhite3@exchange.calstatela.edu > > > > Links: > > > > Books by and about persons with disabilities: > http://osdhorn.wordpress.com/books-by-and-a?h-disabilities/ > > > > Article: Jobs for the disabled > > > > http://osdhorn.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/jobs-for-the-disabled/ > > > > Article: 20 years before they get it! > > > > http://osdhorn.wordpress.com/2010/02/02/20-years-before-they-get-it/ > ? > > > > > > Article: Amazing Ability comes from Disability > > > > http://osdhorn.wordpress.com/2010/02/02/amazing-abilit?rom-disability/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Professional Nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 222-3492 Office (916) 704-1456 Cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at altformatsolutions.com Tue Feb 16 12:18:43 2010 From: ron at altformatsolutions.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Average Book Volumes Message-ID: <016a01caaf45$46916b60$d3b44220$@com> Hi folks, I have had a request for some hard data on average book size and storage capacities you are using in the more well developed Alt Format programs. If you have any aggregate numbers and averages I would really appreciate any data you can provide me. 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The average delivered file size is around 1-2 MB in RTF or DAISY. Larger books make larger files but even if we process a book that is three times that size the resulting DAISY fileset should only be about four or five megabytes. As far as storage, our approach is a simple one. "Get as much as you can." We have two terabytes dedicated to storing TIFF and working data but we aren't using all of it by any measure. Let me know if you have specific any questions, Jon Jon P. Pielaet Program Assistant for Instructional Materials Disability Services for Students Emma B. Lommasson 154 The University of Montana Missoula, MT 59812 www.umt.edu/dss/ 406-243-2243 Voice/Text 406-243-4461 Direct Line 406-243-5330 Fax From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:19 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Average Book Volumes Hi folks, I have had a request for some hard data on average book size and storage capacities you are using in the more well developed Alt Format programs. If you have any aggregate numbers and averages I would really appreciate any data you can provide me. Ron ************************************************************************ ******* Ron Stewart Managing Consultant Altformat Solutions LLC 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@altformatsolutions.com www.altformatsolutions.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Tue Feb 16 12:51:58 2010 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Average Book Volumes In-Reply-To: <6D6D5D870B9D6243922DB0F261E70A000295FB43@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> References: <016a01caaf45$46916b60$d3b44220$@com> <6D6D5D870B9D6243922DB0F261E70A000295FB43@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> Message-ID: <01b201caaf49$e1a26470$a4e72d50$@org> Thanks that is helpful. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pielaet, Jon Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 3:50 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Average Book Volumes Ron, The file sizes are fairly consistent across different book projects. A book that is about 300 pages yields these file sizes: 16-bit Grayscale TIFF with Metadata 2.58 GB Rich Text File 1.42 MB* Word 2003 XML 2.51MB* DAISY 3 Fileset 1.23MB* * File sizes include added markup. The average delivered file size is around 1-2 MB in RTF or DAISY. Larger books make larger files but even if we process a book that is three times that size the resulting DAISY fileset should only be about four or five megabytes. As far as storage, our approach is a simple one. "Get as much as you can." We have two terabytes dedicated to storing TIFF and working data but we aren't using all of it by any measure. Let me know if you have specific any questions, Jon Jon P. Pielaet Program Assistant for Instructional Materials Disability Services for Students Emma B. Lommasson 154 The University of Montana Missoula, MT 59812 www.umt.edu/dss/ 406-243-2243 Voice/Text 406-243-4461 Direct Line 406-243-5330 Fax From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:19 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Average Book Volumes Hi folks, I have had a request for some hard data on average book size and storage capacities you are using in the more well developed Alt Format programs. If you have any aggregate numbers and averages I would really appreciate any data you can provide me. Ron **************************************************************************** *** Ron Stewart Managing Consultant Altformat Solutions LLC 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@altformatsolutions.com www.altformatsolutions.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petri.1 at osu.edu Tue Feb 16 21:22:38 2010 From: petri.1 at osu.edu (Ken Petri) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] More on DRM for Apple iPad ebooks In-Reply-To: <30CCAE30-CE61-47CF-99AD-D9ACD041A328@techpotential.net> References: <30CCAE30-CE61-47CF-99AD-D9ACD041A328@techpotential.net> Message-ID: The DRM that Adobe uses to encrypt ePub books served through their Adobe Digital Editions (via Content Server) can be cracked using a couple of easy to find Python scripts. Someone will find (probably already has found) a way to crack the FairPlay DRM Apple uses in iTunes (though it does sound more complex than Content Server). Then, with a little bit of effort, any motivated person will be able to permanently "open" a DRM'ed ePub book. Once he has the opened ePub he can use it on any platform/device he chooses, and it is up to him to decide if he wants to break the law and give it or sell it to someone else. I appreciate O'Reilly's stance. They know that the more restrictive you make the DRM on a book you sell, the more roadblocks to usage the rightful owner will encounter in using the book--limits on how many personal copies he can make of something he legally purchased, limits on which of his own devices he can use to read/listen to them. O'Reilly seem to implicitly trust that people will tend to do the ethical thing and buy a book, rather than steal it. And they seem to believe that the tendency once you buy something is not to give it away for free. Apple (and most major book publishers), on the other hand, want to keep the user using iTunes for everything, and seem not to trust that someone who pays for a book will respect copyright. I find that attitude insulting and infantilizing--and if I were interested in pirating books, the insult and infantilization would provide strong motivation. ken -- On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Shelley Haven < ShelleyHaven@techpotential.net> wrote: > The LA Times reports that Apple is offering their DRM "FairPlay" (currently > used on iTunes) to publishers for their ePub-formatted ebooks on the > upcoming iPad. It limits how many times digital songs can be copied to > other devices; presumably it would work the same, limiting how many > instances of a downloaded ebook could co-exist on a user's devices. (Link > below article.) > > > Apple to wrap digital books in FairPlay copy protection [Clarified] > February 15, 2010 > > When Apple launches its iBook store to sell titles for its new iPad device > in March, many of its titles are expected to come with a set of handsome > digital locks designed to deter piracy. > > Veteran iTunes customers will recognize the locks as FairPlay, a digital > rights management software that once limited how many times digital songs > can be copied onto different computers. (Apple phased out FairPlay > for music a year ago, and now sells unfettered tunes.) > > Next month, Apple will be dusting off those digital cuffs for books, > according to sources in the publishing industry. > > No doubt some publishers, including O'Reilly Media -- which has > vociferously argued that digital locks are harmful to sales -- will opt not > to deploy FairPlay. (O'Reilly, which puts out technical books, was not on > the list of five publishers during Apple's announcement of the iPad, but is > discussing a deal with Apple.) > > But the majority of publishers are expected to embrace FairPlay, along with > other copy protection software such as Adobe's Content Server 4, > as a means to squelch incipient book piracy as the e-book market begins to > take off. > > -- Alex Pham > > *Clarified 1:50 pm:* *An earlier version of this post said Apple phased > out FairPlay a year ago and now sells songs without DRM. Apple continues to > use FairPlay to protect other iTunes content. Thanks to our readers for > noticing this omission!* > > http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/02/apple-ibooks-drm-fairplay.html > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net Tue Feb 16 23:06:07 2010 From: ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] More on DRM for Apple iPad ebooks In-Reply-To: References: <30CCAE30-CE61-47CF-99AD-D9ACD041A328@techpotential.net> Message-ID: <0719E22B-4F55-4EC5-9372-D5091BC1A08B@techpotential.net> > Someone will find (probably already has found) a way to crack the > FairPlay DRM Apple uses in iTunes... Yes, in fact it was done a few years ago by "DVD Jon" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Lech_Johansen ) who is world famous for reverse engineering just about every DRM out there, from DVDs to iTunes. He and others have even created a company around the anti-DRM philosophy, doubleTwist: http://www.doubletwist.com/dt/Home/Index.dt > --and if I were interested in pirating books, the insult and > infantilization would provide strong motivation. As a good friend once told me, "Locks are to keep honest people honest". If a person is intent on pirating music, software, or books, they're probably going to find a way around any restriction regardless of the DRM used. The main purpose of a DRM "lock", in my opinion, is just to thwart any fleeting temptation by the other 99+ percent of users. - Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant Shelley@TechPotential.net www.TechPotential.net On Feb 16, 2010, at 9:22 PM, Ken Petri wrote: > The DRM that Adobe uses to encrypt ePub books served through their > Adobe Digital Editions (via Content Server) can be cracked using a > couple of easy to find Python scripts. Someone will find (probably > already has found) a way to crack the FairPlay DRM Apple uses in > iTunes (though it does sound more complex than Content Server). > Then, with a little bit of effort, any motivated person will be able > to permanently "open" a DRM'ed ePub book. Once he has the opened > ePub he can use it on any platform/device he chooses, and it is up > to him to decide if he wants to break the law and give it or sell it > to someone else. > > I appreciate O'Reilly's stance. They know that the more restrictive > you make the DRM on a book you sell, the more roadblocks to usage > the rightful owner will encounter in using the book--limits on how > many personal copies he can make of something he legally purchased, > limits on which of his own devices he can use to read/listen to them. > > O'Reilly seem to implicitly trust that people will tend to do the > ethical thing and buy a book, rather than steal it. And they seem to > believe that the tendency once you buy something is not to give it > away for free. > > Apple (and most major book publishers), on the other hand, want to > keep the user using iTunes for everything, and seem not to trust > that someone who pays for a book will respect copyright. I find that > attitude insulting and infantilizing--and if I were interested in > pirating books, the insult and infantilization would provide strong > motivation. > > ken > -- > > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Shelley Haven > wrote: > The LA Times reports that Apple is offering their DRM > "FairPlay" (currently used on iTunes) to publishers for their ePub- > formatted ebooks on the upcoming iPad. It limits how many times > digital songs can be copied to other devices; presumably it would > work the same, limiting how many instances of a downloaded ebook > could co-exist on a user's devices. (Link below article.) > > > Apple to wrap digital books in FairPlay copy protection [Clarified] > February 15, 2010 > When Apple launches its iBook store to sell titles for its new iPad > device in March, many of its titles are expected to come with a set > of handsome digital locks designed to deter piracy. > > Veteran iTunes customers will recognize the locks as FairPlay, a > digital rights management software that once limited how many times > digital songs can be copied onto different computers. (Apple phased > out FairPlay for music a year ago, and now sells unfettered tunes.) > > Next month, Apple will be dusting off those digital cuffs for books, > according to sources in the publishing industry. > > No doubt some publishers, including O'Reilly Media -- which has > vociferously argued that digital locks are harmful to sales -- will > opt not to deploy FairPlay. (O'Reilly, which puts out technical > books, was not on the list of five publishers during Apple's > announcement of the iPad, but is discussing a deal with Apple.) > > But the majority of publishers are expected to embrace FairPlay, > along with other copy protection software such as Adobe's Content > Server 4, as a means to squelch incipient book piracy as the e-book > market begins to take off. > > -- Alex Pham > > Clarified 1:50 pm: An earlier version of this post said Apple phased > out FairPlay a year ago and now sells songs without DRM. Apple > continues to use FairPlay to protect other iTunes content. Thanks to > our readers for noticing this omission! > > http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/02/apple-ibooks-drm-fairplay.html > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Feb 17 07:58:25 2010 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] one handed keyboarding Message-ID: Hi all, It seems like I posted this question a couple of weeks ago, but I can't find any copy of it in my sent items, nor have I received any answers. So, here goes, possibly again. I have a student who needs to type one handed. Word prediction software won't work as he is going to be taking a keyboarding class which records every keystroke for points. I remember several years ago there was a program that would allow a person to type on a standard keyboard using either the left or right hand. To get the keys typically pressed by the opposite hand, you simply held down the spacebar while typing the matching key. For example, if you are typing left-handed and need the letter j, you would hold down the spacebar and press f. I cannot seem to find the software now. However, I have found a keyboard (a very pricy keyboard) that does the same thing. I would prefer the software approach as the student will be more likely to afford that at home. The keyboard is over $500. If I remember correctly, the software was less than $100 back then. Does anybody have any idea where I can find this software? If not, does anybody have another suggestion? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Fax: 913-288-7678 E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Wed Feb 17 08:12:34 2010 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] one handed keyboarding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005001caafec$03f23cb0$0bd6b610$@org> Here is the link to the website that I use: http://www.aboutonehandtyping.com/ Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:58 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] one handed keyboarding Hi all, It seems like I posted this question a couple of weeks ago, but I can't find any copy of it in my sent items, nor have I received any answers. So, here goes, possibly again. I have a student who needs to type one handed. Word prediction software won't work as he is going to be taking a keyboarding class which records every keystroke for points. I remember several years ago there was a program that would allow a person to type on a standard keyboard using either the left or right hand. To get the keys typically pressed by the opposite hand, you simply held down the spacebar while typing the matching key. For example, if you are typing left-handed and need the letter j, you would hold down the spacebar and press f. I cannot seem to find the software now. However, I have found a keyboard (a very pricy keyboard) that does the same thing. I would prefer the software approach as the student will be more likely to afford that at home. The keyboard is over $500. If I remember correctly, the software was less than $100 back then. Does anybody have any idea where I can find this software? If not, does anybody have another suggestion? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Fax: 913-288-7678 E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnorwich at bu.edu Wed Feb 17 08:21:42 2010 From: lnorwich at bu.edu (Norwich, Lorraine S) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] one handed keyboarding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56D208DC4976EF4584E80D18A84D3CB101543D9D@UIS-E7MBX1.ad2.bu.edu> Hi, Lily Walters brought out a CD that you can get on Amazon One Hand Typing and Keyboarding Manuals and Resources on CD: Type Fast with One Hand. I would also use a smaller keyboard if they are not using a laptop, that does not have the number pad on the right. I used some tactile devices that also helped with the training of one handed typing to help with the learning curve. Thanks Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability Services Boston University 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd Floor Boston, MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability (website) From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 10:58 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] one handed keyboarding Hi all, It seems like I posted this question a couple of weeks ago, but I can't find any copy of it in my sent items, nor have I received any answers. So, here goes, possibly again. I have a student who needs to type one handed. Word prediction software won't work as he is going to be taking a keyboarding class which records every keystroke for points. I remember several years ago there was a program that would allow a person to type on a standard keyboard using either the left or right hand. To get the keys typically pressed by the opposite hand, you simply held down the spacebar while typing the matching key. For example, if you are typing left-handed and need the letter j, you would hold down the spacebar and press f. I cannot seem to find the software now. However, I have found a keyboard (a very pricy keyboard) that does the same thing. I would prefer the software approach as the student will be more likely to afford that at home. The keyboard is over $500. If I remember correctly, the software was less than $100 back then. Does anybody have any idea where I can find this software? If not, does anybody have another suggestion? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Fax: 913-288-7678 E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net Wed Feb 17 08:33:24 2010 From: ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] one handed keyboarding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E5036D-B0C7-4ABA-B309-3DC689710FF2@techpotential.net> Hi, Robert! I believe you probably have the Half QWERTY keyboard: http://half-qwerty.com/ The Half Keyboard (similar concept) actually only has half the keyboard: http://www.matias.ca/halfkeyboard/index.php?refID=7) Both work using the space-bar-as-shift-key approach you mention. For all your "one-handed typing" resources, you might find what you're looking for on one of the following links (collected from a similar thread on the HTCTU Alt-Media lists): http://www.aboutonehandtyping.com/howto.html http://www.onehandedkeyboard.com/ http://www.customtyping.com/one-handed-typing.htm Also consider use of abbreviation-expansion software such as Spell Catcher (http://www.rainmakerinc.com/), an auto-replace spellchecking program which also facilitates creation of typing shortcuts on-the- fly. I've used this successfully with someone who needed to type at near-conversational speeds yet only typed with two fingers. In essence, it leverages a person's memory to compensate for difficulty typing and significantly reduces the amount of typing. See the "Shorthand Glossary" section of these pages for info on both the Windows and Mac versions (14-day trials available): http://www.rainmakerinc.com/products/spellcatcherplus/writing.html http://www.rainmakerinc.com/products/spellcatcherx/spellcatcherhelp/en/pgs/shorthands/index.html This option works best if you first think through a broad strategy for the abbreviations. We created well over 200 personalized macros so that only 2 or 3 keystrokes would be automatically expanded into full words, names, or entire phrases -- for example: - dff expanded to different, dffly => differently, dffs => differences, etc. - all names were a hyphen followed by two letters - all organizations, agencies, titles, etc. were an equal sign followed by 1 or more letters (usually the acronym) Then, of course, there's the whole issue of whether any of these options would satisfy the requirements of the keyboarding class or would constitute a "fundamental change". But that's a different topic... ;-) HTH, Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant Shelley@TechPotential.net www.TechPotential.net On Feb 17, 2010, at 7:58 AM, Robert Beach wrote: > Hi all, > > It seems like I posted this question a couple of weeks ago, but I > can?t find any copy of it in my sent items, nor have I received any > answers. So, here goes, possibly again. > > I have a student who needs to type one handed. Word prediction > software won?t work as he is going to be taking a keyboarding class > which records every keystroke for points. > > I remember several years ago there was a program that would allow a > person to type on a standard keyboard using either the left or right > hand. To get the keys typically pressed by the opposite hand, you > simply held down the spacebar while typing the matching key. For > example, if you are typing left-handed and need the letter j, you > would hold down the spacebar and press f. > > I cannot seem to find the software now. However, I have found a > keyboard (a very pricy keyboard) that does the same thing. I would > prefer the software approach as the student will be more likely to > afford that at home. The keyboard is over $500. If I remember > correctly, the software was less than $100 back then. > > Does anybody have any idea where I can find this software? If not, > does anybody have another suggestion? > > Thanks. > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > Phone: 913-288-7671 > Fax: 913-288-7678 > E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nettiet at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 08:38:33 2010 From: nettiet at gmail.com (Nettie Fischer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] one handed keyboarding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Robert - Not sure if I understand you correctly but, it sounds like for one comment you are referring to 'sticky keys' which allows to typist to press a command key and locks that key until 1 more key is pressed. Example (control key + k + K) After the second key is pressed, the lock option turns off. It is in the accssibility option under assessories on the windows operating system. I know it is also an option on the Mac but can't remember off hand what/where the setting is located. I think you might be talking about one-handed keyboarding or Matius half qwerty keyboarding - One option that I have used is an on-line typing tutorial that allows you to set the preferences for left/right handed keyboarding plus other options. http://www.customtyping.com/ Hope this helps, Nettie's nickel On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Robert Beach wrote: > Hi all, > > > > It seems like I posted this question a couple of weeks ago, but I can?t > find any copy of it in my sent items, nor have I received any answers. So, > here goes, possibly again. > > > > I have a student who needs to type one handed. Word prediction software > won?t work as he is going to be taking a keyboarding class which records > every keystroke for points. > > > > I remember several years ago there was a program that would allow a person > to type on a standard keyboard using either the left or right hand. To > get the keys typically pressed by the opposite hand, you simply held down > the spacebar while typing the matching key. For example, if you are > typing left-handed and need the letter j, you would hold down the spacebar > and press f. > > > > I cannot seem to find the software now. However, I have found a keyboard > (a very pricy keyboard) that does the same thing. I would prefer the > software approach as the student will be more likely to afford that at home. > The keyboard is over $500. If I remember correctly, the software was less > than $100 back then. > > > > Does anybody have any idea where I can find this software? If not, does > anybody have another suggestion? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Robert Lee Beach > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Kansas City Kansas Community College > > 7250 State Avenue > > Kansas City, KS 66112 > > Phone: 913-288-7671 > > Fax: 913-288-7678 > > E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Professional Nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 222-3492 Office (916) 704-1456 Cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nettiet at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 08:41:39 2010 From: nettiet at gmail.com (Nettie Fischer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] one handed keyboarding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oops Robert - Just reread my message and seems I held the control key down 1 too many times it should read control + k = K Nerrtie On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Robert Beach wrote: > Hi all, > > > > It seems like I posted this question a couple of weeks ago, but I can?t > find any copy of it in my sent items, nor have I received any answers. So, > here goes, possibly again. > > > > I have a student who needs to type one handed. Word prediction software > won?t work as he is going to be taking a keyboarding class which records > every keystroke for points. > > > > I remember several years ago there was a program that would allow a person > to type on a standard keyboard using either the left or right hand. To > get the keys typically pressed by the opposite hand, you simply held down > the spacebar while typing the matching key. For example, if you are > typing left-handed and need the letter j, you would hold down the spacebar > and press f. > > > > I cannot seem to find the software now. However, I have found a keyboard > (a very pricy keyboard) that does the same thing. I would prefer the > software approach as the student will be more likely to afford that at home. > The keyboard is over $500. If I remember correctly, the software was less > than $100 back then. > > > > Does anybody have any idea where I can find this software? If not, does > anybody have another suggestion? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Robert Lee Beach > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Kansas City Kansas Community College > > 7250 State Avenue > > Kansas City, KS 66112 > > Phone: 913-288-7671 > > Fax: 913-288-7678 > > E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Professional Nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 222-3492 Office (916) 704-1456 Cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Today's Topics: 1. one handed keyboarding (Robert Beach) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:58:25 -0600 From: Robert Beach Subject: [Athen] one handed keyboarding To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, It seems like I posted this question a couple of weeks ago, but I can't find any copy of it in my sent items, nor have I received any answers. So, here goes, possibly again. I have a student who needs to type one handed. Word prediction software won't work as he is going to be taking a keyboarding class which records every keystroke for points. I remember several years ago there was a program that would allow a person to type on a standard keyboard using either the left or right hand. To get the keys typically pressed by the opposite hand, you simply held down the spacebar while typing the matching key. For example, if you are typing left-handed and need the letter j, you would hold down the spacebar and press f. I cannot seem to find the software now. However, I have found a keyboard (a very pricy keyboard) that does the same thing. I would prefer the software approach as the student will be more likely to afford that at home. The keyboard is over $500. If I remember correctly, the software was less than $100 back then. Does anybody have any idea where I can find this software? If not, does anybody have another suggestion? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Fax: 913-288-7678 E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 49, Issue 14 ************************************* From nettiet at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 08:51:16 2010 From: nettiet at gmail.com (Nettie Fischer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] More on DRM for Apple iPad ebooks In-Reply-To: References: <30CCAE30-CE61-47CF-99AD-D9ACD041A328@techpotential.net> Message-ID: Hi Ken I would like to add a little addition to your comment; the person who wants to steal something, will spend the energies and time to do just that. And, the more difficult the task, the greater the bravado in doing so. :) For me, I have better things to do with my time as do most honest persons. Nettie On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Ken Petri wrote: > The DRM that Adobe uses to encrypt ePub books served through their Adobe > Digital Editions (via Content Server) can be cracked using a couple of easy > to find Python scripts. Someone will find (probably already has found) a way > to crack the FairPlay DRM Apple uses in iTunes (though it does sound more > complex than Content Server). Then, with a little bit of effort, any > motivated person will be able to permanently "open" a DRM'ed ePub book. Once > he has the opened ePub he can use it on any platform/device he chooses, and > it is up to him to decide if he wants to break the law and give it or sell > it to someone else. > > I appreciate O'Reilly's stance. They know that the more restrictive you > make the DRM on a book you sell, the more roadblocks to usage the rightful > owner will encounter in using the book--limits on how many personal copies > he can make of something he legally purchased, limits on which of his own > devices he can use to read/listen to them. > > O'Reilly seem to implicitly trust that people will tend to do the ethical > thing and buy a book, rather than steal it. And they seem to believe that > the tendency once you buy something is not to give it away for free. > > Apple (and most major book publishers), on the other hand, want to keep the > user using iTunes for everything, and seem not to trust that someone who > pays for a book will respect copyright. I find that attitude insulting and > infantilizing--and if I were interested in pirating books, the insult and > infantilization would provide strong motivation. > > ken > -- > > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Shelley Haven < > ShelleyHaven@techpotential.net> wrote: > >> The LA Times reports that Apple is offering their DRM "FairPlay" >> (currently used on iTunes) to publishers for their ePub-formatted ebooks on >> the upcoming iPad. It limits how many times digital songs can be copied to >> other devices; presumably it would work the same, limiting how many >> instances of a downloaded ebook could co-exist on a user's devices. (Link >> below article.) >> >> >> Apple to wrap digital books in FairPlay copy protection [Clarified] >> February 15, 2010 >> >> When Apple launches its iBook store to sell titles for its new iPad device >> in March, many of its titles are expected to come with a set of handsome >> digital locks designed to deter piracy. >> >> Veteran iTunes customers will recognize the locks as FairPlay, a digital >> rights management software that once limited how many times digital songs >> can be copied onto different computers. (Apple phased out FairPlay >> for music a year ago, and now sells unfettered tunes.) >> >> Next month, Apple will be dusting off those digital cuffs for books, >> according to sources in the publishing industry. >> >> No doubt some publishers, including O'Reilly Media -- which has >> vociferously argued that digital locks are harmful to sales -- will opt not >> to deploy FairPlay. (O'Reilly, which puts out technical books, was not on >> the list of five publishers during Apple's announcement of the iPad, but is >> discussing a deal with Apple.) >> >> But the majority of publishers are expected to embrace FairPlay, along >> with other copy protection software such as Adobe's Content Server 4, >> as a means to squelch incipient book piracy as the e-book market begins to >> take off. >> >> -- Alex Pham >> >> *Clarified 1:50 pm:* *An earlier version of this post said Apple phased >> out FairPlay a year ago and now sells songs without DRM. Apple continues to >> use FairPlay to protect other iTunes content. Thanks to our readers for >> noticing this omission!* >> >> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/02/apple-ibooks-drm-fairplay.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Professional Nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 222-3492 Office (916) 704-1456 Cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fosters at sou.edu Wed Feb 17 08:56:05 2010 From: fosters at sou.edu (Shawn Foster) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] one handed keyboarding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B7BAF24.8282.005A.0@sou.edu> Robert: There's free keyboard layout functions from Microsoft at http://www.microsoft.com/enable/products/altkeyboard.aspx, ( http://www.microsoft.com/enable/products/altkeyboard.aspx, ) including those for either left or right hand. Would that work? sf Shawn Foster Assistive Technology Specialist Southern Oregon University email: fosters@sou.edu phone: (541)552-6213 blog: http://atatsou.blogspot.com >>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:58 AM, in message , Robert Beach wrote: Hi all, It seems like I posted this question a couple of weeks ago, but I can?t find any copy of it in my sent items, nor have I received any answers. So, here goes, possibly again. I have a student who needs to type one handed. Word prediction software won?t work as he is going to be taking a keyboarding class which records every keystroke for points. I remember several years ago there was a program that would allow a person to type on a standard keyboard using either the left or right hand. To get the keys typically pressed by the opposite hand, you simply held down the spacebar while typing the matching key. For example, if you are typing left-handed and need the letter j, you would hold down the spacebar and press f. I cannot seem to find the software now. However, I have found a keyboard (a very pricy keyboard) that does the same thing. I would prefer the software approach as the student will be more likely to afford that at home. The keyboard is over $500. If I remember correctly, the software was less than $100 back then. Does anybody have any idea where I can find this software? If not, does anybody have another suggestion? Thanks. 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There is a demo available http://www.typeonehand.com/demo.html Best regards, Cath -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org on behalf of athen-request@athenpro.org Sent: Wed 2/17/2010 8:59 AM To: athen@athenpro.org Subject: Athen Digest, Vol 49, Issue 14 Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." Today's Topics: 1. one handed keyboarding (Robert Beach) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:58:25 -0600 From: Robert Beach Subject: [Athen] one handed keyboarding To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, It seems like I posted this question a couple of weeks ago, but I can't find any copy of it in my sent items, nor have I received any answers. So, here goes, possibly again. I have a student who needs to type one handed. Word prediction software won't work as he is going to be taking a keyboarding class which records every keystroke for points. I remember several years ago there was a program that would allow a person to type on a standard keyboard using either the left or right hand. To get the keys typically pressed by the opposite hand, you simply held down the spacebar while typing the matching key. For example, if you are typing left-handed and need the letter j, you would hold down the spacebar and press f. I cannot seem to find the software now. However, I have found a keyboard (a very pricy keyboard) that does the same thing. I would prefer the software approach as the student will be more likely to afford that at home. The keyboard is over $500. If I remember correctly, the software was less than $100 back then. Does anybody have any idea where I can find this software? If not, does anybody have another suggestion? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Fax: 913-288-7678 E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Fax: 913-288-7678 E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:58 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] one handed keyboarding Hi all, It seems like I posted this question a couple of weeks ago, but I can't find any copy of it in my sent items, nor have I received any answers. So, here goes, possibly again. I have a student who needs to type one handed. Word prediction software won't work as he is going to be taking a keyboarding class which records every keystroke for points. I remember several years ago there was a program that would allow a person to type on a standard keyboard using either the left or right hand. To get the keys typically pressed by the opposite hand, you simply held down the spacebar while typing the matching key. For example, if you are typing left-handed and need the letter j, you would hold down the spacebar and press f. I cannot seem to find the software now. However, I have found a keyboard (a very pricy keyboard) that does the same thing. I would prefer the software approach as the student will be more likely to afford that at home. The keyboard is over $500. If I remember correctly, the software was less than $100 back then. Does anybody have any idea where I can find this software? If not, does anybody have another suggestion? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Fax: 913-288-7678 E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wink.harner at smcmail.maricopa.edu Wed Feb 17 10:50:59 2010 From: wink.harner at smcmail.maricopa.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] one handed keyboarding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006001cab002$27b02980$77107c80$@harner@smcmail.maricopa.edu> Hi Robert, Our Bridge for Independent Learning assists people with disabilities in obtaining "technology" if they do not have state/private funding support. In Arizona ABIL provides assistance with the Az Loans for Assistive Technology (AzLAT). If Vocational Rehab. is not supporting your student, see what other resources might be available in the community. AzLat also allows folks to come in & try things out (they have offices in various parts of the state where NAU has campuses) and purchase used equipment if finances are an issue. Some of the software (five finger typist, for example) is SO affordable -less than $100 for an individual license.it might make sense for your student to see about this as a solution as it would be something useful NOW as well as on the job for a practical accommodation solution. Just a thought! Good luck. Wink Ms. Wink Harner Interim Manager Disability Resources & Services South Mountain Community College 602-243-8027 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:08 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] one handed keyboarding Thanks everybody for your replies. I've put the info together and shared with the student. He is a distance ed student and is looking for these solutions for his home system. He really likes the sound of the keyboard, but will see what kind of funding he can get. Thanks again all! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Fax: 913-288-7678 E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:58 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] one handed keyboarding Hi all, It seems like I posted this question a couple of weeks ago, but I can't find any copy of it in my sent items, nor have I received any answers. So, here goes, possibly again. I have a student who needs to type one handed. Word prediction software won't work as he is going to be taking a keyboarding class which records every keystroke for points. I remember several years ago there was a program that would allow a person to type on a standard keyboard using either the left or right hand. To get the keys typically pressed by the opposite hand, you simply held down the spacebar while typing the matching key. For example, if you are typing left-handed and need the letter j, you would hold down the spacebar and press f. I cannot seem to find the software now. However, I have found a keyboard (a very pricy keyboard) that does the same thing. I would prefer the software approach as the student will be more likely to afford that at home. The keyboard is over $500. If I remember correctly, the software was less than $100 back then. Does anybody have any idea where I can find this software? If not, does anybody have another suggestion? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Fax: 913-288-7678 E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petri.1 at osu.edu Wed Feb 17 11:08:58 2010 From: petri.1 at osu.edu (Ken Petri) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] More on DRM for Apple iPad ebooks In-Reply-To: References: <30CCAE30-CE61-47CF-99AD-D9ACD041A328@techpotential.net> Message-ID: Hi Nettie, Yes. That was part of the point I was trying to make: there is a lot of sentiment within the open source community that DRM is unfairly restrictive--not that it just provides a disincentive to violate copyright but that it actually limits legitimate usage. Give a smart, young, activist open sourcer a technological challenge and s/he'll tend to take it up, head on--and then "brag" about it by giving away the means to reproduce the feat. Outside of that, I'll give you a very practical example of where DRM is a real problem: Say I buy an ePub book through Adobe Digitial Editions. It is stored on my hard drive as an ePub but is encrypted such that I cannot read it on any reader other than Adobe Digital Editions. A similar scenario applies to books that are FairPlay DRM'ed--they are only readable through iTunes approved readers. This is massively restrictive. If I buy a book why should I not be able to read it on whatever device I choose? Cheers, ken On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Nettie Fischer wrote: > Hi Ken > I would like to add a little addition to your comment; the person who wants > to steal something, will spend the energies and time to do just that. And, > the more difficult the task, the greater the bravado in doing so. :) For > me, I have better things to do with my time as do most honest > persons. > > Nettie > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Ken Petri wrote: > >> The DRM that Adobe uses to encrypt ePub books served through their Adobe >> Digital Editions (via Content Server) can be cracked using a couple of easy >> to find Python scripts. Someone will find (probably already has found) a way >> to crack the FairPlay DRM Apple uses in iTunes (though it does sound more >> complex than Content Server). Then, with a little bit of effort, any >> motivated person will be able to permanently "open" a DRM'ed ePub book. Once >> he has the opened ePub he can use it on any platform/device he chooses, and >> it is up to him to decide if he wants to break the law and give it or sell >> it to someone else. >> >> I appreciate O'Reilly's stance. They know that the more restrictive you >> make the DRM on a book you sell, the more roadblocks to usage the rightful >> owner will encounter in using the book--limits on how many personal copies >> he can make of something he legally purchased, limits on which of his own >> devices he can use to read/listen to them. >> >> O'Reilly seem to implicitly trust that people will tend to do the ethical >> thing and buy a book, rather than steal it. And they seem to believe that >> the tendency once you buy something is not to give it away for free. >> >> Apple (and most major book publishers), on the other hand, want to keep >> the user using iTunes for everything, and seem not to trust that someone who >> pays for a book will respect copyright. I find that attitude insulting and >> infantilizing--and if I were interested in pirating books, the insult and >> infantilization would provide strong motivation. >> >> ken >> -- >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Shelley Haven < >> ShelleyHaven@techpotential.net> wrote: >> >>> The LA Times reports that Apple is offering their DRM "FairPlay" >>> (currently used on iTunes) to publishers for their ePub-formatted ebooks on >>> the upcoming iPad. It limits how many times digital songs can be copied to >>> other devices; presumably it would work the same, limiting how many >>> instances of a downloaded ebook could co-exist on a user's devices. (Link >>> below article.) >>> >>> >>> Apple to wrap digital books in FairPlay copy protection [Clarified] >>> February 15, 2010 >>> >>> When Apple launches its iBook store to sell titles for its new iPad >>> device in March, many of its titles are expected to come with a set of >>> handsome digital locks designed to deter piracy. >>> >>> Veteran iTunes customers will recognize the locks as FairPlay, a digital >>> rights management software that once limited how many times digital songs >>> can be copied onto different computers. (Apple phased out FairPlay >>> for music a year ago, and now sells unfettered tunes.) >>> >>> Next month, Apple will be dusting off those digital cuffs for books, >>> according to sources in the publishing industry. >>> >>> No doubt some publishers, including O'Reilly Media -- which has >>> vociferously argued that digital locks are harmful to sales -- will opt not >>> to deploy FairPlay. (O'Reilly, which puts out technical books, was not on >>> the list of five publishers during Apple's announcement of the iPad, but is >>> discussing a deal with Apple.) >>> >>> But the majority of publishers are expected to embrace FairPlay, along >>> with other copy protection software such as Adobe's Content Server 4, >>> as a means to squelch incipient book piracy as the e-book market begins to >>> take off. >>> >>> -- Alex Pham >>> >>> *Clarified 1:50 pm:* *An earlier version of this post said Apple phased >>> out FairPlay a year ago and now sells songs without DRM. Apple continues to >>> use FairPlay to protect other iTunes content. Thanks to our readers for >>> noticing this omission!* >>> >>> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/02/apple-ibooks-drm-fairplay.html >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Athen mailing list >>> Athen@athenpro.org >>> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Athen mailing list >> Athen@athenpro.org >> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org >> >> > > > -- > Nettie T. Fischer, ATP > Assistive Technology Professional > Nettiet, ATP Consultants > www.nettietatpconsultants.com > [916] 222-3492 Office > (916) 704-1456 Cell > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From darren at missouri.edu Wed Feb 17 11:28:27 2010 From: darren at missouri.edu (Gabbert, Darren L.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Screen reader and Eee PC? Message-ID: <8E26873FB7498E44997E28F5F5EB62F32155C543C6@UM-EMAIL06.um.umsystem.edu> I am working with someone who is blind that is in need of a low/no cost screen reader for her PC. It turns out she has been given a Eee PC. I am perfectly unfamiliar with this puppy. It is apparently a Linux based laptop. It is running an Intel R Mobile Processor, 1GB RAM, 4GB Hard Drive, and runs some kind of word processing programs called Star Office 8 and Ez PenPower Jr. Seems to use Firefox for a browser. Anyway, I need some suggestions here on providing screen reader capabilities. Thanks in advance... Darren Darren Gabbert Grants & Contracts Administrator Adaptive Computing Technology Center University of Missouri Division of IT N-18 Memorial Union Columbia, MO 65211 Phone: (573) 673-5629 Fax: (314) 594-9909 Darren@Missouri.edu [cid:175291318@17022010-1F9A] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lommasson 154 The University of Montana Missoula, MT 59812 www.umt.edu/dss/ 406-243-2243 Voice/Text 406-243-4461 Direct Line 406-243-5330 Fax From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gabbert, Darren L. Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:28 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Screen reader and Eee PC? I am working with someone who is blind that is in need of a low/no cost screen reader for her PC. It turns out she has been given a Eee PC. I am perfectly unfamiliar with this puppy. It is apparently a Linux based laptop. It is running an Intel R Mobile Processor, 1GB RAM, 4GB Hard Drive, and runs some kind of word processing programs called Star Office 8 and Ez PenPower Jr. Seems to use Firefox for a browser. Anyway, I need some suggestions here on providing screen reader capabilities. Thanks in advance... 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On default Gnome installations, Orca is included automatically. If your setup has a customized version Orca may be missing so you'll have to install it. Look for a package manager in the OS somewhere and see if it has it listed. Learn more about Orca here: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/DownloadInstall From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Gabbert, Darren L. Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:28 PM To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Screen reader and Eee PC? I am working with someone who is blind that is in need of a low/no cost screen reader for her PC. It turns out she has been given a Eee PC. I am perfectly unfamiliar with this puppy. It is apparently a Linux based laptop. It is running an Intel R Mobile Processor, 1GB RAM, 4GB Hard Drive, and runs some kind of word processing programs called Star Office 8 and Ez PenPower Jr. Seems to use Firefox for a browser. Anyway, I need some suggestions here on providing screen reader capabilities. Thanks in advance... Darren Darren Gabbert Grants & Contracts Administrator Adaptive Computing Technology Center University of Missouri Division of IT N-18 Memorial Union Columbia, MO 65211 Phone: (573) 673-5629 Fax: (314) 594-9909 Darren@Missouri.edu cid:image001.jpg@01C9C3E9.F7428D60 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 7832 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alpuzz at msu.edu Wed Feb 17 12:20:19 2010 From: alpuzz at msu.edu (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Screen reader and Eee PC? References: <8E26873FB7498E44997E28F5F5EB62F32155C543C6@UM-EMAIL06.um.umsystem.edu> Message-ID: Hmm, This one could be tricky. I believe those machines ship with a proprietary flavor of Linux. Not even sure which desktop they run. If it's using some offshoot of Gnome, you may be able to get the Orca screenreader working on it; However if not, then your best bet may be to blow away the OS, load it with XP, and then use something like System Access. Serotek offers System access licenses for atom processor based machines for $149.00 --Al -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Wed Feb 17 12:33:53 2010 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Screen reader and Eee PC? In-Reply-To: References: <8E26873FB7498E44997E28F5F5EB62F32155C543C6@UM-EMAIL06.um.umsystem.edu> Message-ID: Al, unless this one has a standard hard drive, XP is not a possibility. Many of those eee netbooks came with a 4 gb SSDrive. No room for XP. There are some accessibility programs for Linux; whether or not they will run on that version of Linux is indeed the question. Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Al Puzzuoli Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:20 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen reader and Eee PC? Hmm, This one could be tricky. I believe those machines ship with a proprietary flavor of Linux. Not even sure which desktop they run. If it's using some offshoot of Gnome, you may be able to get the Orca screenreader working on it; However if not, then your best bet may be to blow away the OS, load it with XP, and then use something like System Access. Serotek offers System access licenses for atom processor based machines for $149.00 --Al -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alpuzz at msu.edu Wed Feb 17 13:06:31 2010 From: alpuzz at msu.edu (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Screen reader and Eee PC? References: <8E26873FB7498E44997E28F5F5EB62F32155C543C6@UM-EMAIL06.um.umsystem.edu> Message-ID: If it only has a 4 gb ssd, and you can't get Orca to work, then I would unfortunately chalk it up as not being worth the trouble, unless the person in question is a power user. You'll be dealing with console based apps such as Emacspeak, Speakup, or Brltty if you have a compatible Braille display. Those apps can be quite functional, but there is a high learning curve. The user will be way out of the mainstream, so the lack of support and training could become problematic. --Al ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M. Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:34 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen reader and Eee PC? Al, unless this one has a standard hard drive, XP is not a possibility. Many of those eee netbooks came with a 4 gb SSDrive. No room for XP. There are some accessibility programs for Linux; whether or not they will run on that version of Linux is indeed the question. Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Al Puzzuoli Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:20 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen reader and Eee PC? Hmm, This one could be tricky. I believe those machines ship with a proprietary flavor of Linux. Not even sure which desktop they run. If it's using some offshoot of Gnome, you may be able to get the Orca screenreader working on it; However if not, then your best bet may be to blow away the OS, load it with XP, and then use something like System Access. Serotek offers System access licenses for atom processor based machines for $149.00 --Al -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From prceklp at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 13:09:52 2010 From: prceklp at gmail.com (Kevin Price) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Screen reader and Eee PC? In-Reply-To: References: <8E26873FB7498E44997E28F5F5EB62F32155C543C6@UM-EMAIL06.um.umsystem.edu> Message-ID: <669aeefc1002171309x4fac0b99wc1d6982b4920a4eb@mail.gmail.com> UBUNTU maybe an option. UBUNTU (http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/accessibility) has the ORCA screen reader built in. (I admit to have little experience with it. ) It requires at least 256 MB of RAM (the standard installation CD requires 384MB of RAM). Install requires at least 3 GB of disk space. Kevin Kevin Price MSW, ATP Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Resource Center (MC 321) Suite 1190, Student Services Building 1200 West Harrison Street Chicago, Illinois 60607-7163 (312) 413-0886 Fax (312) 413-7781 Email: pricek@uic.edu On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Kelmer, Susan M. wrote: > Al, unless this one has a standard hard drive, XP is not a possibility. > Many of those eee netbooks came with a 4 gb SSDrive.? No room for XP.? There > are some accessibility programs for Linux; whether or not they will run on > that version of Linux is indeed the question. > > > > Susan Kelmer > > Adaptive Technology Specialist/ > > Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms > > St. Louis Community College - Meramec > > 314-984-7951 > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Al Puzzuoli > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:20 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen reader and Eee PC? > > > > Hmm, > > This one could be tricky. I believe those machines ship with a proprietary > flavor of Linux. Not even sure which desktop they run. If it's using some > offshoot of Gnome, you may be able to get the Orca screenreader working on > it; However if not, then? your best bet may be to blow away the OS, load it > with XP, and then? use something like System Access. Serotek offers System > access licenses for atom processor based machines for $149.00 > > --Al > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > From asuncion at alcor.concordia.ca Wed Feb 17 16:32:50 2010 From: asuncion at alcor.concordia.ca (Jennison Mark Asuncion) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] attending CSUN 2010? Message-ID: <071ba7e144db42fdfdb4066806591b95.squirrel@webmail.concordia.ca> Hi there, Because I haven't seen it mentioned here yet, if you are attending the CSUN Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference in San Diego this March, conference organizers are encouraging folks to reserve seats in sessions. Assuming you are registered, you can do so by logging into your Notebook at http://www.csunconference.org and then go to Sessions > General Sessions. And while I'm at it, we at the Adaptech Research Network look forward to hopefully seeing some of you at one of our two sessions: The POSITIVES Scale: A Method for Assessing Technology Accessibility in Postsecondary Education and/or Preliminary Findings on Social Media Use and Accessibility: A Canadian Perspective. Finally, for those of you so inclined, you can let your LinkedIn Network know you are attending http://events.linkedin.com/25th-Annual-International-Technology/pub/192959 and/or or RSVP on the conference's fan page on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=280251060585 See you in San Diego! Jennison From skeegan at stanford.edu Wed Feb 17 17:50:18 2010 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean J Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Average Book Volumes In-Reply-To: <016a01caaf45$46916b60$d3b44220$@com> References: <016a01caaf45$46916b60$d3b44220$@com> Message-ID: <4B7C9CDA.3090707@stanford.edu> > I have had a request for some hard data on > average book size and storage capacities > you are using in the more well developed Alt > Format programs. Ron, Not sure exactly what you are looking for in terms of information. Are you looking for: - the file sizes of books that are scanned or converted to specific file formats (as in pre vs. post processing file sizes)? - specifics regarding storage of alt media archives (past scanned and/or processed files)? Take care, sean -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So far I am coming up with some pretty decent numbers, keep up the good work :) Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean J Keegan Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:50 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Average Book Volumes > I have had a request for some hard data on > average book size and storage capacities > you are using in the more well developed Alt > Format programs. Ron, Not sure exactly what you are looking for in terms of information. Are you looking for: - the file sizes of books that are scanned or converted to specific file formats (as in pre vs. post processing file sizes)? - specifics regarding storage of alt media archives (past scanned and/or processed files)? Take care, sean From ron at altformatsolutions.com Wed Feb 17 23:20:36 2010 From: ron at altformatsolutions.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN Message-ID: <01b001cab06a$dde7fa30$99b7ee90$@com> Hi all, do we want to plan some kind of get together at CSUN? Ron **************************************************************************** *** Ron Stewart Managing Consultant Altformat Solutions LLC 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@altformatsolutions.com www.altformatsolutions.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Haven Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:33 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN Yes, we do. ;-) - Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant Shelley@TechPotential.net www.TechPotential.net On Feb 17, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Ron Stewart wrote: Hi all, do we want to plan some kind of get together at CSUN? Ron **************************************************************************** *** Ron Stewart Managing Consultant Altformat Solutions LLC 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@altformatsolutions.com www.altformatsolutions.com _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Eileen --On Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:28 PM -0600 "Gabbert, Darren L." wrote: > > I am working with someone who is blind that is in need of a low/no cost > screen reader for her PC. It turns out she has been given a Eee PC. I > am perfectly unfamiliar with this puppy. It is apparently a Linux based > laptop. It is running an Intel R Mobile Processor, 1GB RAM, 4GB Hard > Drive, and runs some kind of word processing programs called Star Office > 8 and Ez PenPower Jr. Seems to use Firefox for a browser. > > Anyway, I need some suggestions here on providing screen reader > capabilities. Thanks in advance... > > Darren > > > > Darren Gabbert > > Grants & Contracts Administrator > > Adaptive Computing Technology Center > > University of Missouri Division of IT > > N-18 Memorial Union > > Columbia, MO 65211 > > Phone: (573) 673-5629 > > Fax: (314) 594-9909 > > Darren@Missouri.edu > > [Image: "cid:image001.jpg@01C9C3E9.F7428D60"] > Eileen Connell Berger Assistant Director Office of Student Affairs, Access and Disability Services Administrator Harvard University Graduate School of Education Longfellow Hall 046 13 Appian Way, Cambridge, Ma. 02138 phone: 617 495 5838 fax: 617 496 8024 bergerei@gse.harvard.edu ___________________________________________________________________ This message is intended for the designated recipient(s). It may contain confidential or proprietary information and may be subject to confidentiality protections. If you are not a designated recipient, you may not review copy or distribute this message. If you receive this in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you. From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Thu Feb 18 06:47:46 2010 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Average Book Volumes In-Reply-To: <01af01cab06a$26a749c0$73f5dd40$@org> References: <016a01caaf45$46916b60$d3b44220$@com><4B7C9CDA.3090707@stanford.edu> <01af01cab06a$26a749c0$73f5dd40$@org> Message-ID: > Behalf Of Ron Stewart > What I am trying to estimate is the average size of the books you are > archiving. I am working with several folks who have gone to an entire > virtual campus network and we are try to estimate needed storage space > over > the next few years given the average file size being =X I would pose this question: Storage is cheap. Why are they worried about storage? In six years of production, I finally filled up one TB of storage for books in alternate format. You have some of my numbers (sent privately) and even if our production was twice what we are doing now, that still means I wouldn't have filled up 1TB for at least three years. That kind of storage is unbelievably cheap and should be part of any campus' master plan, considering the move to digital of all things multi-media. I'm not na?ve, I realize that the true cost of storage is in the SAN's, but once they are set up, they are ultimately scalable and can cover years of growth. The bigger question, in my mind, is can their backbone can handle it. Can they give users the access at reasonable speeds they would need to access the data over the long term? Have they wired up (and wireless-upped) their campuses with enough speed and capacity to do it? Storage is the small issue. Just my thoughts on a Thursday, for what it's worth. Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 From Teresa.Haven at asu.edu Thu Feb 18 06:53:55 2010 From: Teresa.Haven at asu.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN In-Reply-To: References: <01b001cab06a$dde7fa30$99b7ee90$@com> Message-ID: <0D41DFE921DACE439289A5E629BDB66C0408C7D3@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Ditto for me - any chance of participating virtually in any manner? Teresa ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. Supervisor, Alternate Format Program Disability Resource Center Arizona State University ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:23 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN I won't be attending. If there is an ATHEN meeting, could it possibly be accessed online as well? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Fax: 913-288-7678 E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:21 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN Hi all, do we want to plan some kind of get together at CSUN? Ron ************************************************************************ ******* Ron Stewart Managing Consultant Altformat Solutions LLC 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@altformatsolutions.com www.altformatsolutions.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Thu Feb 18 08:06:04 2010 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Average Book Volumes In-Reply-To: References: <016a01caaf45$46916b60$d3b44220$@com><4B7C9CDA.3090707@stanford.edu> <01af01cab06a$26a749c0$73f5dd40$@org> Message-ID: <022001cab0b4$45f44a40$d1dcdec0$@org> Basic storage is cheap. It is primarily the SANS that they have implemented that are the concern here. They want to plan for adequate storage but not over plan since enterprise SANS are not cheap. We are looking at all aspects of the issue, bandwidth is always one of the primary considerations as well. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M. Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:48 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Average Book Volumes > Behalf Of Ron Stewart > What I am trying to estimate is the average size of the books you are > archiving. I am working with several folks who have gone to an entire > virtual campus network and we are try to estimate needed storage space > over > the next few years given the average file size being =X I would pose this question: Storage is cheap. Why are they worried about storage? In six years of production, I finally filled up one TB of storage for books in alternate format. You have some of my numbers (sent privately) and even if our production was twice what we are doing now, that still means I wouldn't have filled up 1TB for at least three years. That kind of storage is unbelievably cheap and should be part of any campus' master plan, considering the move to digital of all things multi-media. I'm not na?ve, I realize that the true cost of storage is in the SAN's, but once they are set up, they are ultimately scalable and can cover years of growth. The bigger question, in my mind, is can their backbone can handle it. Can they give users the access at reasonable speeds they would need to access the data over the long term? Have they wired up (and wireless-upped) their campuses with enough speed and capacity to do it? Storage is the small issue. Just my thoughts on a Thursday, for what it's worth. Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ron at ahead.org Thu Feb 18 08:27:34 2010 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN In-Reply-To: <0D41DFE921DACE439289A5E629BDB66C0408C7D3@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> References: <01b001cab06a$dde7fa30$99b7ee90$@com> <0D41DFE921DACE439289A5E629BDB66C0408C7D3@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <025401cab0b7$46b32610$d4197230$@org> If we do anything it will probably be an informal kind of thing. Logistics can be very difficult at CSUN. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:54 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN Ditto for me - any chance of participating virtually in any manner? Teresa ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. Supervisor, Alternate Format Program Disability Resource Center Arizona State University ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:23 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN I won't be attending. If there is an ATHEN meeting, could it possibly be accessed online as well? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Fax: 913-288-7678 E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:21 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN Hi all, do we want to plan some kind of get together at CSUN? Ron **************************************************************************** *** Ron Stewart Managing Consultant Altformat Solutions LLC 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@altformatsolutions.com www.altformatsolutions.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Thu Feb 18 08:46:09 2010 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN In-Reply-To: References: <01b001cab06a$dde7fa30$99b7ee90$@com> Message-ID: <028701cab0b9$df457570$9dd06050$@org> Any recommendations from folks, I know many will not be staying at the conference hotel but someplace close to their would make good sense for an informal get together. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Haven Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:33 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN Yes, we do. ;-) - Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant Shelley@TechPotential.net www.TechPotential.net On Feb 17, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Ron Stewart wrote: Hi all, do we want to plan some kind of get together at CSUN? Ron **************************************************************************** *** Ron Stewart Managing Consultant Altformat Solutions LLC 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@altformatsolutions.com www.altformatsolutions.com _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johumber at iupui.edu Thu Feb 18 09:02:02 2010 From: johumber at iupui.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN In-Reply-To: <025401cab0b7$46b32610$d4197230$@org> References: <01b001cab06a$dde7fa30$99b7ee90$@com> <0D41DFE921DACE439289A5E629BDB66C0408C7D3@EX04.asurite.ad.asu.edu> <025401cab0b7$46b32610$d4197230$@org> Message-ID: Then someone with and iphone record then informal meeting and post it to the athen website :). Thankx. Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:28 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN If we do anything it will probably be an informal kind of thing. Logistics can be very difficult at CSUN. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:54 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN Ditto for me - any chance of participating virtually in any manner? Teresa ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. Supervisor, Alternate Format Program Disability Resource Center Arizona State University ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ________________________________ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:23 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN I won't be attending. If there is an ATHEN meeting, could it possibly be accessed online as well? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Fax: 913-288-7678 E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:21 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN Hi all, do we want to plan some kind of get together at CSUN? 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Start time is Wednesday, March 24th at 9pm EST (6pm Pacific, 01:00 GMT on March 19). JF From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:02 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN Then someone with and iphone record then informal meeting and post it to the athen website J. Thankx. Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 11:28 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN If we do anything it will probably be an informal kind of thing. Logistics can be very difficult at CSUN. Ron From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:54 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN Ditto for me - any chance of participating virtually in any manner? Teresa ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. Supervisor, Alternate Format Program Disability Resource Center Arizona State University ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _____ From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:23 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN I won't be attending. If there is an ATHEN meeting, could it possibly be accessed online as well? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Fax: 913-288-7678 E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:21 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] ATHEN at CSUN Hi all, do we want to plan some kind of get together at CSUN? 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Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: AT Master's Candidate Looking For Opportunities Message-ID: <8E26873FB7498E44997E28F5F5EB62F32155C543D4@UM-EMAIL06.um.umsystem.edu> Thought I would pass this along... -----Original Message----- From: RESNA's Assistive Technology Forum [mailto:AT-FORUM@LIST.RESNA.ORG] On Behalf Of Michael Boyce Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:09 AM To: AT-FORUM@LIST.RESNA.ORG Subject: AT Master's Candidate Looking For Opportunities Good morning everyone, My name is Michael Boyce and I am currently a Master's Candidate in Computer Science with a specialization in AT at Georgia Tech. I am writing because I am graduating in May and I would like to focus on AT as a career. I have been applying to positions posted via RESNA, I have reached out to my vocational rehab, my school career counseling office, my current internship supervisors, and I have interviewed through the Workforce Recruitment Program through ODEP. I was wondering if anyone knew of any available opportunities, or contacts that I might reach out to. I don't want to clog anyone's email, and I wouldn't be posting here if I had not tried every option that has been passed my way. I do apologize for any inconvenience. I have attached my most updated resume. Thank you very much for your time. Respectfully, Michael Boyce -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Michael Boyce Resume 2-18-2010.doc Type: application/msword Size: 48128 bytes Desc: Michael Boyce Resume 2-18-2010.doc URL: From KKolander at stchas.edu Fri Feb 19 11:59:20 2010 From: KKolander at stchas.edu (Keith Kolander) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] captioning Message-ID: <66CA77B6F1A6AE44B6EC941464FFB31C790D463B6C@EXCHCLUSTER.scc.stchas.edu> Hello all, We are in the process of developing some policies regarding captioning of media, and wanted to find out how some other campuses are handling it. Do you outsource it? If it is done in-house, who is responsible for doing the captioning if it needs it? What software do you use? Thanks for sharing any comments on this. Keith Kolander Adaptive Tech Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO 63376 kkolander@stchas.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at stanford.edu Fri Feb 19 14:30:30 2010 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean J Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] captioning In-Reply-To: <66CA77B6F1A6AE44B6EC941464FFB31C790D463B6C@EXCHCLUSTER.scc.stchas.edu> References: <66CA77B6F1A6AE44B6EC941464FFB31C790D463B6C@EXCHCLUSTER.scc.stchas.edu> Message-ID: <4B7F1106.2020702@stanford.edu> > We are in the process of developing some > policies regarding captioning of media, > and wanted to find out how some other > campuses are handling it. > Do you outsource it? It depends. If the materials need to be done very fast (e.g., 24-48hr turnaround) and is a non-Web based format, then we will most likely outsource. Also, if the video is a foreign language, or in a recent case, heavily accented British English slang, then we outsource. Our office coordinates the captioning process if it is intended as an accommodation (e.g., specific student for specific class). This is usually coordinated either through myself or our Accommodations Coordinator. We have used a few different transcription companies for the outsourcing part, particularly when we need the materials back in a very specific file format (e.g., DVD, VHS, QuickTime/Windows Media movie, etc.). In terms of software, I use several depending on the final output. Most of the work I see is already in a digital format, so I tend to use MAGpie (free) and MovCaptioner (low-cost). If you have money, then CPC's MacCaption or CaptionMaker software will do just about any format. It is good to review the type of video materials your institution is predominately using as it may also be cheaper to outsource the captioning of some content than to purchase whole racks of equipment. I know some institutions who had VHS tape they wanted captioned, but were also moving to DVDs. It was far cheaper to just purchase captioned DVDs than to go through the captioning process. In terms of how we address captioning right now, our office, in collaboration with the Stanford Online Accessibility Project (SOAP), built a Web-based system to facilitate the process of getting video content captioned, particularly for Web-based video. This was initially a pilot project aimed at converting video into Web-ready formats as well as delivering caption files. The transcript process was outsourced to transcription companies and the captioning system then used the transcripts to automatically synchronize the video and transcript. If a staff member already had a prepared transcript, then that could be loaded into the system and the time-stamping would be done at no cost. The idea of the project was to give the University a means that coordinated the outsourcing and creation of captioned materials in Web-friendly formats "semi-autonomously". We did not want one person to have to manually handle each transaction or to do the actual time-stamping, so we built a Web system to handle that part for us. A presentation from Accessing Higher Ground is online: http://captioning.stanford.edu/presentations/ (best viewed using Opera Slideshow) In terms of captioning policies, my suggestion would be to develop practices and processes before the policy. Too often I have seen colleges develop a "captioning policy" that creates the situation where faculty, staff, etc. abandon the use of media altogether (or just ignore getting the video captioned) because the policy is so restrictive or so removed from actual practices that it becomes near impossible to comply. Take care, Sean -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: skeegan.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 332 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mpthornton at ualr.edu Mon Feb 22 13:33:40 2010 From: mpthornton at ualr.edu (Melanie Thornton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Chalk and Wire ePortfolio Message-ID: <4B82F834.2040006@ualr.edu> Hi all. Anyone have experience with testing Chalk and Wire for accessibility? Thanks! Melanie -- Melanie Thornton Director, Project PACE Associate Director, Disability Resource Center 2801 S. 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URL: From mpthornton at ualr.edu Mon Feb 22 14:16:23 2010 From: mpthornton at ualr.edu (Melanie Thornton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Questions for Vendors of Web-Based Applications Message-ID: <4B830237.2000007@ualr.edu> Hi all, I have been asked to pull together some questions for someone who is attending a conference where there will be vendors of various products. I wonder if you have developed a set of questions that you share with those who have access to vendors but who may not be able to construct accessibility-related questions on their own. Here are some questions I composed. I would love to have your input and/or your additions to this list. Proposed questions: * How was it determined that the product meets Section 508 or other standards? * Has usability testing been conducted by users who use keyboard only access and/or screen readers? * If accessibility problems are found is the company committed to putting those fixes into a high priority queue rather than putting them in a 'feature request" queue? * Would the company be able/willing to sign a purchasing agreement that states that this product meets 508 or other standards? * Does the company have a contact person who is able to directly answer questions related to accessibility concerns? * Does documentation account for those who use assistive technology and/or keyboard only? * Where applicable, do tutorials written for faculty or staff who are using the tool include information about best practices for accessibility (i.e. adding descriptions of uploaded images, document accessibility, etc.)? 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URL: From norm.coombs at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 17:33:33 2010 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: E Book Reader question Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20100222173141.0235f2d8@pop.gmail.com> Hi ATHEN experts!! I got this question about e-readers. I have no idea whether any of them are good enough for a school to buy or whether they are all real problems. Please answer Bonnie directly or, if you reply here, I'll forward it to her. Thanks Norm >Delivered-To: norm.coombs@gmail.com >Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of >Bonnie_Robinson@umit.maine.edu designates 130.111.32.28 as permitted >sender) smtp.mail=Bonnie_Robinson@umit.maine.edu >Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:58:18 -0500 >Subject: E Book Reader question >X-Mailer: FirstClass 9.1 (build 9.221) >X-FC-SERVER-TZ: 15729388 >To: marisol.miranda@gmail.com, Norm.coombs@gmail.com >From: "Bonnie Robinson" >X-DCC-UniversityOfMaineSystem-Metrics: chert.its.maine.edu; whitelist >X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information >X-UmaineSystem-MailScanner-ID: o1MHvhB6003157 >X-MailScanner: Found to be clean >X-MailScanner-From: bonnie_robinson@umit.maine.edu >X-UmaineSystem-MailScanner-Watermark: 1267466274.96919@XTP78EM4N1fz9L9aZVLb8A > >Hello Marisol and Norm, > >I have taken a number of the EASI webinars and courses from you over the >past couple of years and I'm hoping you can help me with a question I >received from a colleague. > >Our library is considering the purchase of e-book readers. They want to >be sure they look at all the options before a decision is made. > >They feel that Kindle is a definite no and that, so far, the iPad is >getting good press from the point of view of accessibility. Do either one >of you have any info on Nook (Barnes and Noble) or the Sony Ebook Reader? >Could you provide any thoughts >on which e-book readers would be good to purchase? > >Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. > >Bonnie Robinson >University of Maine >Center for Community Inclusion & Disability Studies >5717 Corbett Hall >Orono, ME 04469 >207-581-1084 ext. 1384 >http://www.ccids.umaine.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Once you choose hope, anything's possible. Christopher Reeve Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com CEO EASI Equal Access to Software and Information phone (949) 855-4852 (NOTE pacific time zone) ****READ ABOUT THE DICK BANKS MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP: http://easi.cc/scholarship.htm From Vasquez at sbcc.edu Tue Feb 23 08:56:44 2010 From: Vasquez at sbcc.edu (Laurie Vasquez) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: E Book Reader question In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20100222173141.0235f2d8@pop.gmail.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20100222173141.0235f2d8@pop.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B83984B.1869.00F8.0@sbcc.edu> Here is a reference that came out today. Highlighting E-Readers February 23, 2010 Even before Apple announced the iPad, higher-education technologists predicted that e-book readers were on the brink of becoming a common accessory among college students; last fall, two-thirds of campus CIOs said they believed e-readers would become an *important platform for instructional resources* within five years, according to the Campus Computing Project. Now, as several major universities finish analyzing data from pilot programs involving the latest version of the Amazon Kindle, officials are learning more about what students want out of their e-reader tablets. Generally, the colleges found that students missed some of the old-fashioned note-taking tools they enjoyed before. But they also noted that the shift had some key environmental benefits. Further, a minority of students embraced the Kindle fairly quickly as highly desirable for curricular use. If one clear consensus emerged from the studies that have been finalized at Princeton University, Case Western Reserve University and the University of Virginia*s Darden School of Business, it is this: For students who were given the Kindle DX and tried to use it for coursework, the inability to easily highlight text was the biggest lowlight of the experience. *Because it was difficult to take notes on the Kindle, because PDF documents could not be annotated or highlighted at all, and because it was hard to look at more than one document at once, the Kindle was occasionally a tool that was counter-productive to scholarship,* Princeton researchers wrote in a summary of their study, released Monday. *Many users thought that the addition of a touch screen and stylus would make for a much better device,* they wrote, noting that while the Kindle does allow students to digitally underline text, students did not like having to type corresponding margin notes on the device*s keypad. The students also wanted it to be easier to navigate among annotated pages, and wished there was some way to impose a coding system for annotations, similar to how some students use differently colored highlighters to organize their annotations in bound books. Indeed, highlighting and note-taking went hand in hand with another feature students on multiple campuses considered important: navigation. Students did not like being unable to have multiple texts open at the same time. *When using books as sources to write papers, navigation is extremely important,* wrote one Princeton student. *I usually take a lot of notes on the books/articles that I am planning to cite. And when writing, I just go back and forth.* Students whose curriculum requires them to organize information culled from many different sources are particularly concerned with being able to navigate multiple documents at once, said Michael Koenig, director of operations at Virginia*s Darden School of Business, which also ran a Kindle DX pilot program last fall. Students at Darden typically have to keep track of 125 different business cases in their first quarter alone, Koenig said, and the Kindle was not always up to the task. *At the point where you need to highlight and notate in a fairly high-paced classroom - to be able to move back and forth between business cases, class readings, your own notations, your own highlights, your own analysis - It*s just not as flexible or nimble as having your paper notes or your laptop right there,* he said, adding that the Kindle was *not quite ready for prime time.* Students at Case Western, in addition to grumbling about *implementation of underlining, annotation, and bookmarking,* found it disorienting that the Kindle did not mark texts by page numbers in the same way as their bound counterparts, which made it difficult for them to follow along in class when professors kept instructing students to turn to a particular page. Their most frequent complaint, according to a summary provided to Inside Higher Ed, was that they could not *flip* randomly through pages of a text - echoing the comments of some Princeton students who missed the ability to easily *skim* texts. Of course, there were students on each campus who took to the Kindle more strongly than others. Lev Gonick, the chief information officer at Case Western Reserve, referred to these more enthusiastic adopters as *power users,* and said they actually liked the annotation tools on the Kindle DX. Likewise, Koenig said some Darden students were savvy enough to successfully juggle the trappings of business school on their e-readers. *We had some of our tech-aggressive M.B.A.*s use it in the classroom successfully, and some even liked it for technical classes,* he said. But those students only comprised the top 15 percent or so of the Darden sample; most students fell in the next tier of users, who were not quite as comfortable navigating the device. That is to say, even if the device was *ready for prime time* after all, the vast majority of students were not keen to use it. Koenig did note that the very aspect of the Kindle that at times made it inferior to a series of texts spread out on a desk proved advantageous in other contexts - such as traveling. While keeping track of hundreds of texts, he explained, business students do a lot of traveling for internship and job interviews. Thus, being able to fit the equivalent of reams upon reams of study materials on a 10-ounce gadget is a boon for the scholar-on-the-go. *If I*m taking off Wednesday for Thursday and Friday interviews, I don*t need to go through four class binders on the plane in order to not fall behind,* he said. The Princeton researchers also pointed out the green angle: Students who used the Kindle for academic purposes printed out half as many assignments as those who didn*t. But generally, students were more apt to use their Kindles for recreational reading - for which they don*t have to worry about annotation - while sticking to dead-tree texts for schoolwork. Whereas 75 percent of Darden students said they would not recommend the Kindle for other aspiring M.B.A.*s, about 90 percent said they would recommend it to family and friends for casual reading. *So they*re confirming for Amazon what Amazon already knew,* Koenig said, *which is that they*ve created a very good consumer product.* Scholarly aid, not so much. Gonick, of Case Western Reserve, remained optimistic about the prospects of the e-reader in higher education. *Asking real students about their experiences with a first generation e-reader reminds me of my first Kaypro in 1983. I could imagine its transformational capabilities, I just couldn't experience it myself in the first generation product,* Gonick wrote in an e-mail. *Next generation smartpads [sic], including the iPad and the Edge from Entourage, are true multi-functional devices that to varying degrees carry forward the strengths of the Kindle DX while adding additional features,* he said. *I believe higher education represents an important market for smartpad manufacturers because of our demographic, market size, and trend setting nature of our service lines. Stay tuned, the fun has just begun.* >>> Prof Norm Coombs 2/22/2010 5:33 PM >>> Hi ATHEN experts!! I got this question about e-readers. I have no idea whether any of them are good enough for a school to buy or whether they are all real problems. Please answer Bonnie directly or, if you reply here, I'll forward it to her. Thanks Norm >Delivered-To: norm.coombs@gmail.com >Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of >Bonnie_Robinson@umit.maine.edu designates 130.111.32.28 as permitted >sender) smtp.mail=Bonnie_Robinson@umit.maine.edu >Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:58:18 -0500 >Subject: E Book Reader question >X-Mailer: FirstClass 9.1 (build 9.221) >X-FC-SERVER-TZ: 15729388 >To: marisol.miranda@gmail.com, Norm.coombs@gmail.com >From: "Bonnie Robinson" >X-DCC-UniversityOfMaineSystem-Metrics: chert.its.maine.edu; whitelist >X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information >X-UmaineSystem-MailScanner-ID: o1MHvhB6003157 >X-MailScanner: Found to be clean >X-MailScanner-From: bonnie_robinson@umit.maine.edu >X-UmaineSystem-MailScanner-Watermark: 1267466274.96919@XTP78EM4N1fz9L9aZVLb8A > >Hello Marisol and Norm, > >I have taken a number of the EASI webinars and courses from you over the >past couple of years and I'm hoping you can help me with a question I >received from a colleague. > >Our library is considering the purchase of e-book readers. They want to >be sure they look at all the options before a decision is made. > >They feel that Kindle is a definite no and that, so far, the iPad is >getting good press from the point of view of accessibility. Do either one >of you have any info on Nook (Barnes and Noble) or the Sony Ebook Reader? >Could you provide any thoughts >on which e-book readers would be good to purchase? > >Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. > >Bonnie Robinson >University of Maine >Center for Community Inclusion & Disability Studies >5717 Corbett Hall >Orono, ME 04469 >207-581-1084 ext. 1384 >http://www.ccids.umaine.edu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Once you choose hope, anything's possible. Christopher Reeve Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com CEO EASI Equal Access to Software and Information phone (949) 855-4852 (NOTE pacific time zone) ****READ ABOUT THE DICK BANKS MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP: http://easi.cc/scholarship.htm _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net Tue Feb 23 10:17:54 2010 From: ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: E Book Reader question In-Reply-To: <4B83984B.1869.00F8.0@sbcc.edu> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20100222173141.0235f2d8@pop.gmail.com> <4B83984B.1869.00F8.0@sbcc.edu> Message-ID: <84344C75-1BB1-48FF-856F-207C82C989C5@techpotential.net> Good article -- thanks. What is the source? - Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant www.TechPotential.net On Feb 23, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Laurie Vasquez wrote: > Here is a reference that came out today. > > Highlighting E-Readers > February 23, 2010 > > Even before Apple announced the iPad, higher-education technologists > predicted that e-book readers were on the brink of becoming a common > accessory among college students; last fall, two-thirds of campus CIOs > said they believed e-readers would become an *important platform for > instructional resources* within five years, according to the Campus > Computing Project. > > Now, as several major universities finish analyzing data from pilot > programs involving the latest version of the Amazon Kindle, officials > are learning more about what students want out of their e-reader > tablets. Generally, the colleges found that students missed some of > the > old-fashioned note-taking tools they enjoyed before. But they also > noted > that the shift had some key environmental benefits. Further, a > minority > of students embraced the Kindle fairly quickly as highly desirable for > curricular use. > If one clear consensus emerged from the studies that have been > finalized at Princeton University, Case Western Reserve University and > the University of Virginia*s Darden School of Business, it is this: > For students who were given the Kindle DX and tried to use it for > coursework, the inability to easily highlight text was the biggest > lowlight of the experience. > > *Because it was difficult to take notes on the Kindle, because PDF > documents could not be annotated or highlighted at all, and because it > was hard to look at more than one document at once, the Kindle was > occasionally a tool that was counter-productive to scholarship,* > Princeton researchers wrote in a summary of their study, released > Monday. > > *Many users thought that the addition of a touch screen and stylus > would make for a much better device,* they wrote, noting that while > the Kindle does allow students to digitally underline text, students > did > not like having to type corresponding margin notes on the device*s > keypad. > > The students also wanted it to be easier to navigate among annotated > pages, and wished there was some way to impose a coding system for > annotations, similar to how some students use differently colored > highlighters to organize their annotations in bound books. > > Indeed, highlighting and note-taking went hand in hand with another > feature students on multiple campuses considered important: > navigation. > Students did not like being unable to have multiple texts open at the > same time. > > *When using books as sources to write papers, navigation is extremely > important,* wrote one Princeton student. *I usually take a lot of > notes on the books/articles that I am planning to cite. And when > writing, I just go back and forth.* > > Students whose curriculum requires them to organize information culled > from many different sources are particularly concerned with being able > to navigate multiple documents at once, said Michael Koenig, > director of > operations at Virginia*s Darden School of Business, which also ran a > Kindle DX pilot program last fall. Students at Darden typically have > to > keep track of 125 different business cases in their first quarter > alone, > Koenig said, and the Kindle was not always up to the task. > > *At the point where you need to highlight and notate in a fairly > high-paced classroom - to be able to move back and forth between > business cases, class readings, your own notations, your own > highlights, > your own analysis - It*s just not as flexible or nimble as having your > paper notes or your laptop right there,* he said, adding that the > Kindle was *not quite ready for prime time.* > > Students at Case Western, in addition to grumbling about > *implementation of underlining, annotation, and bookmarking,* > found it disorienting that the Kindle did not mark texts by page > numbers > in the same way as their bound counterparts, which made it difficult > for > them to follow along in class when professors kept instructing > students > to turn to a particular page. Their most frequent complaint, according > to a summary provided to Inside Higher Ed, was that they could not > *flip* randomly through pages of a text - echoing the comments of > some Princeton students who missed the ability to easily *skim* > texts. > > Of course, there were students on each campus who took to the Kindle > more strongly than others. Lev Gonick, the chief information officer > at > Case Western Reserve, referred to these more enthusiastic adopters as > *power users,* and said they actually liked the annotation tools > on the Kindle DX. Likewise, Koenig said some Darden students were > savvy > enough to successfully juggle the trappings of business school on > their > e-readers. *We had some of our tech-aggressive M.B.A.*s use it in > the classroom successfully, and some even liked it for technical > classes,* he said. > > But those students only comprised the top 15 percent or so of the > Darden sample; most students fell in the next tier of users, who were > not quite as comfortable navigating the device. That is to say, even > if > the device was *ready for prime time* after all, the vast majority > of students were not keen to use it. > > Koenig did note that the very aspect of the Kindle that at times made > it inferior to a series of texts spread out on a desk proved > advantageous in other contexts - such as traveling. While keeping > track > of hundreds of texts, he explained, business students do a lot of > traveling for internship and job interviews. Thus, being able to fit > the > equivalent of reams upon reams of study materials on a 10-ounce gadget > is a boon for the scholar-on-the-go. *If I*m taking off Wednesday > for Thursday and Friday interviews, I don*t need to go through four > class binders on the plane in order to not fall behind,* he said. > > The Princeton researchers also pointed out the green angle: Students > who used the Kindle for academic purposes printed out half as many > assignments as those who didn*t. > > But generally, students were more apt to use their Kindles for > recreational reading - for which they don*t have to worry about > annotation - while sticking to dead-tree texts for schoolwork. Whereas > 75 percent of Darden students said they would not recommend the Kindle > for other aspiring M.B.A.*s, about 90 percent said they would > recommend it to family and friends for casual reading. *So they*re > confirming for Amazon what Amazon already knew,* Koenig said, *which > is that they*ve created a very good consumer product.* Scholarly > aid, not so much. > > Gonick, of Case Western Reserve, remained optimistic about the > prospects of the e-reader in higher education. > > *Asking real students about their experiences with a first generation > e-reader reminds me of my first Kaypro in 1983. I could imagine its > transformational capabilities, I just couldn't experience it myself in > the first generation product,* Gonick wrote in an e-mail. > > *Next generation smartpads [sic], including the iPad and the Edge > from Entourage, are true multi-functional devices that to varying > degrees carry forward the strengths of the Kindle DX while adding > additional features,* he said. *I believe higher education > represents an important market for smartpad manufacturers because of > our > demographic, market size, and trend setting nature of our service > lines. > Stay tuned, the fun has just begun.* > > > >>>> Prof Norm Coombs 2/22/2010 5:33 PM >>> > Hi ATHEN experts!! > I got this question about e-readers. I have no idea whether any of > them > are good enough for a school to buy or whether they are all real > problems. > Please answer Bonnie directly or, if you reply here, I'll forward it > to > her. > Thanks > Norm > > > >> Delivered-To: norm.coombs@gmail.com >> Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain >> of > >> Bonnie_Robinson@umit.maine.edu designates 130.111.32.28 as permitted >> sender) smtp.mail=Bonnie_Robinson@umit.maine.edu >> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:58:18 -0500 >> Subject: E Book Reader question >> X-Mailer: FirstClass 9.1 (build 9.221) >> X-FC-SERVER-TZ: 15729388 >> To: marisol.miranda@gmail.com, Norm.coombs@gmail.com >> From: "Bonnie Robinson" >> X-DCC-UniversityOfMaineSystem-Metrics: chert.its.maine.edu; whitelist >> X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more > information >> X-UmaineSystem-MailScanner-ID: o1MHvhB6003157 >> X-MailScanner: Found to be clean >> X-MailScanner-From: bonnie_robinson@umit.maine.edu >> X-UmaineSystem-MailScanner-Watermark: > 1267466274.96919@XTP78EM4N1fz9L9aZVLb8A >> >> Hello Marisol and Norm, >> >> I have taken a number of the EASI webinars and courses from you over > the >> past couple of years and I'm hoping you can help me with a question I > >> received from a colleague. >> >> Our library is considering the purchase of e-book readers. They want > to >> be sure they look at all the options before a decision is made. >> >> They feel that Kindle is a definite no and that, so far, the iPad is >> getting good press from the point of view of accessibility. Do >> either > one >> of you have any info on Nook (Barnes and Noble) or the Sony Ebook > Reader? >> Could you provide any thoughts >> on which e-book readers would be good to purchase? >> >> Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. >> >> Bonnie Robinson >> University of Maine >> Center for Community Inclusion & Disability Studies >> 5717 Corbett Hall >> Orono, ME 04469 >> 207-581-1084 ext. 1384 >> http://www.ccids.umaine.edu > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Once you choose hope, anything's possible. Christopher Reeve > > Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com > CEO EASI Equal Access to Software and Information > phone (949) 855-4852 (NOTE pacific time zone) > ****READ ABOUT THE DICK BANKS MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP: > http://easi.cc/scholarship.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > From ron at ahead.org Tue Feb 23 10:20:38 2010 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: E Book Reader question In-Reply-To: <84344C75-1BB1-48FF-856F-207C82C989C5@techpotential.net> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20100222173141.0235f2d8@pop.gmail.com> <4B83984B.1869.00F8.0@sbcc.edu> <84344C75-1BB1-48FF-856F-207C82C989C5@techpotential.net> Message-ID: <001501cab4b4$e6ba9160$b42fb420$@org> Here is the Princeton Article http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/64/38E35/index.xml?section=to pstories Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Haven Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:18 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Fwd: E Book Reader question Good article -- thanks. What is the source? - Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant www.TechPotential.net On Feb 23, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Laurie Vasquez wrote: > Here is a reference that came out today. > > Highlighting E-Readers > February 23, 2010 > > Even before Apple announced the iPad, higher-education technologists > predicted that e-book readers were on the brink of becoming a common > accessory among college students; last fall, two-thirds of campus CIOs > said they believed e-readers would become an *important platform for > instructional resources* within five years, according to the Campus > Computing Project. > > Now, as several major universities finish analyzing data from pilot > programs involving the latest version of the Amazon Kindle, officials > are learning more about what students want out of their e-reader > tablets. Generally, the colleges found that students missed some of > the > old-fashioned note-taking tools they enjoyed before. But they also > noted > that the shift had some key environmental benefits. Further, a > minority > of students embraced the Kindle fairly quickly as highly desirable for > curricular use. > If one clear consensus emerged from the studies that have been > finalized at Princeton University, Case Western Reserve University and > the University of Virginia*s Darden School of Business, it is this: > For students who were given the Kindle DX and tried to use it for > coursework, the inability to easily highlight text was the biggest > lowlight of the experience. > > *Because it was difficult to take notes on the Kindle, because PDF > documents could not be annotated or highlighted at all, and because it > was hard to look at more than one document at once, the Kindle was > occasionally a tool that was counter-productive to scholarship,* > Princeton researchers wrote in a summary of their study, released > Monday. > > *Many users thought that the addition of a touch screen and stylus > would make for a much better device,* they wrote, noting that while > the Kindle does allow students to digitally underline text, students > did > not like having to type corresponding margin notes on the device*s > keypad. > > The students also wanted it to be easier to navigate among annotated > pages, and wished there was some way to impose a coding system for > annotations, similar to how some students use differently colored > highlighters to organize their annotations in bound books. > > Indeed, highlighting and note-taking went hand in hand with another > feature students on multiple campuses considered important: > navigation. > Students did not like being unable to have multiple texts open at the > same time. > > *When using books as sources to write papers, navigation is extremely > important,* wrote one Princeton student. *I usually take a lot of > notes on the books/articles that I am planning to cite. And when > writing, I just go back and forth.* > > Students whose curriculum requires them to organize information culled > from many different sources are particularly concerned with being able > to navigate multiple documents at once, said Michael Koenig, > director of > operations at Virginia*s Darden School of Business, which also ran a > Kindle DX pilot program last fall. Students at Darden typically have > to > keep track of 125 different business cases in their first quarter > alone, > Koenig said, and the Kindle was not always up to the task. > > *At the point where you need to highlight and notate in a fairly > high-paced classroom - to be able to move back and forth between > business cases, class readings, your own notations, your own > highlights, > your own analysis - It*s just not as flexible or nimble as having your > paper notes or your laptop right there,* he said, adding that the > Kindle was *not quite ready for prime time.* > > Students at Case Western, in addition to grumbling about > *implementation of underlining, annotation, and bookmarking,* > found it disorienting that the Kindle did not mark texts by page > numbers > in the same way as their bound counterparts, which made it difficult > for > them to follow along in class when professors kept instructing > students > to turn to a particular page. Their most frequent complaint, according > to a summary provided to Inside Higher Ed, was that they could not > *flip* randomly through pages of a text - echoing the comments of > some Princeton students who missed the ability to easily *skim* > texts. > > Of course, there were students on each campus who took to the Kindle > more strongly than others. Lev Gonick, the chief information officer > at > Case Western Reserve, referred to these more enthusiastic adopters as > *power users,* and said they actually liked the annotation tools > on the Kindle DX. Likewise, Koenig said some Darden students were > savvy > enough to successfully juggle the trappings of business school on > their > e-readers. *We had some of our tech-aggressive M.B.A.*s use it in > the classroom successfully, and some even liked it for technical > classes,* he said. > > But those students only comprised the top 15 percent or so of the > Darden sample; most students fell in the next tier of users, who were > not quite as comfortable navigating the device. That is to say, even > if > the device was *ready for prime time* after all, the vast majority > of students were not keen to use it. > > Koenig did note that the very aspect of the Kindle that at times made > it inferior to a series of texts spread out on a desk proved > advantageous in other contexts - such as traveling. While keeping > track > of hundreds of texts, he explained, business students do a lot of > traveling for internship and job interviews. Thus, being able to fit > the > equivalent of reams upon reams of study materials on a 10-ounce gadget > is a boon for the scholar-on-the-go. *If I*m taking off Wednesday > for Thursday and Friday interviews, I don*t need to go through four > class binders on the plane in order to not fall behind,* he said. > > The Princeton researchers also pointed out the green angle: Students > who used the Kindle for academic purposes printed out half as many > assignments as those who didn*t. > > But generally, students were more apt to use their Kindles for > recreational reading - for which they don*t have to worry about > annotation - while sticking to dead-tree texts for schoolwork. Whereas > 75 percent of Darden students said they would not recommend the Kindle > for other aspiring M.B.A.*s, about 90 percent said they would > recommend it to family and friends for casual reading. *So they*re > confirming for Amazon what Amazon already knew,* Koenig said, *which > is that they*ve created a very good consumer product.* Scholarly > aid, not so much. > > Gonick, of Case Western Reserve, remained optimistic about the > prospects of the e-reader in higher education. > > *Asking real students about their experiences with a first generation > e-reader reminds me of my first Kaypro in 1983. I could imagine its > transformational capabilities, I just couldn't experience it myself in > the first generation product,* Gonick wrote in an e-mail. > > *Next generation smartpads [sic], including the iPad and the Edge > from Entourage, are true multi-functional devices that to varying > degrees carry forward the strengths of the Kindle DX while adding > additional features,* he said. *I believe higher education > represents an important market for smartpad manufacturers because of > our > demographic, market size, and trend setting nature of our service > lines. > Stay tuned, the fun has just begun.* > > > >>>> Prof Norm Coombs 2/22/2010 5:33 PM >>> > Hi ATHEN experts!! > I got this question about e-readers. I have no idea whether any of > them > are good enough for a school to buy or whether they are all real > problems. > Please answer Bonnie directly or, if you reply here, I'll forward it > to > her. > Thanks > Norm > > > >> Delivered-To: norm.coombs@gmail.com >> Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain >> of > >> Bonnie_Robinson@umit.maine.edu designates 130.111.32.28 as permitted >> sender) smtp.mail=Bonnie_Robinson@umit.maine.edu >> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:58:18 -0500 >> Subject: E Book Reader question >> X-Mailer: FirstClass 9.1 (build 9.221) >> X-FC-SERVER-TZ: 15729388 >> To: marisol.miranda@gmail.com, Norm.coombs@gmail.com >> From: "Bonnie Robinson" >> X-DCC-UniversityOfMaineSystem-Metrics: chert.its.maine.edu; whitelist >> X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more > information >> X-UmaineSystem-MailScanner-ID: o1MHvhB6003157 >> X-MailScanner: Found to be clean >> X-MailScanner-From: bonnie_robinson@umit.maine.edu >> X-UmaineSystem-MailScanner-Watermark: > 1267466274.96919@XTP78EM4N1fz9L9aZVLb8A >> >> Hello Marisol and Norm, >> >> I have taken a number of the EASI webinars and courses from you over > the >> past couple of years and I'm hoping you can help me with a question I > >> received from a colleague. >> >> Our library is considering the purchase of e-book readers. They want > to >> be sure they look at all the options before a decision is made. >> >> They feel that Kindle is a definite no and that, so far, the iPad is >> getting good press from the point of view of accessibility. Do >> either > one >> of you have any info on Nook (Barnes and Noble) or the Sony Ebook > Reader? >> Could you provide any thoughts >> on which e-book readers would be good to purchase? >> >> Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. >> >> Bonnie Robinson >> University of Maine >> Center for Community Inclusion & Disability Studies >> 5717 Corbett Hall >> Orono, ME 04469 >> 207-581-1084 ext. 1384 >> http://www.ccids.umaine.edu > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Once you choose hope, anything's possible. Christopher Reeve > > Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com > CEO EASI Equal Access to Software and Information > phone (949) 855-4852 (NOTE pacific time zone) > ****READ ABOUT THE DICK BANKS MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP: > http://easi.cc/scholarship.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > > _______________________________________________ > Athen mailing list > Athen@athenpro.org > http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org > _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org From mbourbea at smith.edu Tue Feb 23 13:04:40 2010 From: mbourbea at smith.edu (Maureen Bourbeau) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] ebrary access ?? Message-ID: <4B83FC9A.ECE9.003C.0@smith.edu> This is new to me, our college library is using online e-books through "ebrary" . Can these be accessed with screen or text reading software. So far, I have not been able to do this successfully. Am I missing something, or are they just not accessible. I can select text but that's about it. Appreciate any help or experience you all can share. Maureen Bourbeau Smith College -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SKelmer at stlcc.edu Tue Feb 23 13:08:50 2010 From: SKelmer at stlcc.edu (Kelmer, Susan M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] ebrary access ?? In-Reply-To: <4B83FC9A.ECE9.003C.0@smith.edu> References: <4B83FC9A.ECE9.003C.0@smith.edu> Message-ID: I don't know anything about this particular item, but generally, eBooks are created in inaccessible PDF or other forms. They will likely not be accessible with a screen reader, but the best way to find out is to try it. Susan Kelmer Adaptive Technology Specialist/ Lab Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms St. Louis Community College - Meramec 314-984-7951 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at stanford.edu Tue Feb 23 15:44:31 2010 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean J Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] ebrary access ?? In-Reply-To: <4B83FC9A.ECE9.003C.0@smith.edu> References: <4B83FC9A.ECE9.003C.0@smith.edu> Message-ID: <4B84685F.9070704@stanford.edu> > This is new to me, our college library is using > online e-books through "ebrary" . Can these be > accessed with screen or text reading software. There is an accessibility announcement from eBrary in Dec. 2009 that refers to accessibility for students with disabilities (warning PDF): http://www.ebrary.com/corp/newspdf/ebrary_Accessibility.pdf;jsessionid=ENMCCLKMKNPJ I had a few meetings with company representatives several years ago and, because of the way in which the technology was being deployed, it was very difficult to get any assistive technology to work in the eBrary environment - some things worked, but most text-to-speech functionality was not supported. At the time, I believe the company was looking to just create their own assistive technology "solutions" within the eBrary system, but do not know if they finally pursued this option. However, according to the above PDF document, it seems that some changes have been made as of Dec. 2009 that does allow for some accessibility support for screen-readers. Take care, Sean -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd be interested in hearing any other people's experiences on this. On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:44:31 -0800 Sean J Keegan wrote: > > This is new to me, our college library is using > > online e-books through "ebrary" . Can these be > > accessed with screen or text reading software. > > There is an accessibility announcement from eBrary in >Dec. 2009 that refers to accessibility for students with >disabilities (warning PDF): > > http://www.ebrary.com/corp/newspdf/ebrary_Accessibility.pdf;jsessionid=ENMCCLKMKNPJ > > I had a few meetings with company representatives >several years ago and, because of the way in which the >technology was being deployed, it was very difficult to >get any assistive technology to work in the eBrary >environment - some things worked, but most text-to-speech >functionality was not supported. At the time, I believe >the company was looking to just create their own >assistive technology "solutions" within the eBrary >system, but do not know if they finally pursued this >option. > > However, according to the above PDF document, it seems >that some changes have been made as of Dec. 2009 that >does allow for some accessibility support for >screen-readers. > > Take care, > Sean From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Feb 24 10:23:46 2010 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] JAWS 11 and Word 2007 Message-ID: Hey all, Is it just me, or is there an issue with JAWS 11 and the Styles window in Word 2007? On the machines I have JAWS 11 installed on, when I press ALT+O then S to go into the Styles window, focus moves to the window then immediately moves back to the document. I cannot select any of the styles from the keyboard. On machines that I'm still running JAWS 10 on, the keyboard access works perfectly. Any ideas? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Fax: 913-288-7678 E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon.pielaet at mso.umt.edu Wed Feb 24 11:01:44 2010 From: jon.pielaet at mso.umt.edu (Pielaet, Jon) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] JAWS 11 and Word 2007 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D6D5D870B9D6243922DB0F261E70A00029E632C@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> Robert, I am not having that problem with my JAWS 11 installation. You may want to try using the Styles hot-key which is CTRL+ALT++SHIFT+S to get into the styles window. That may help. I'll keep playing with Word to see if I can replicate your issue, but it seems very strange to me. Good Luck, Jon Jon P. Pielaet Program Assistant for Instructional Materials Disability Services for Students Emma B. Lommasson 154 The University of Montana Missoula, MT 59812 www.umt.edu/dss/ 406-243-2243 Voice/Text 406-243-4461 Direct Line 406-243-5330 Fax From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:24 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] JAWS 11 and Word 2007 Hey all, Is it just me, or is there an issue with JAWS 11 and the Styles window in Word 2007? On the machines I have JAWS 11 installed on, when I press ALT+O then S to go into the Styles window, focus moves to the window then immediately moves back to the document. I cannot select any of the styles from the keyboard. On machines that I'm still running JAWS 10 on, the keyboard access works perfectly. Any ideas? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Fax: 913-288-7678 E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Feb 24 11:29:53 2010 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] JAWS 11 and Word 2007 In-Reply-To: <6D6D5D870B9D6243922DB0F261E70A00029E632C@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> References: <6D6D5D870B9D6243922DB0F261E70A00029E632C@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> Message-ID: Hi again Jon, I just tried the key command you suggested on my laptop running Office 2007 and JAWS 11. I get the same results as with the command I originally tried. Also, I still cannot use the F6 key to move into the Styles Window. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Fax: 913-288-7678 E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Pielaet, Jon Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] JAWS 11 and Word 2007 Robert, I am not having that problem with my JAWS 11 installation. You may want to try using the Styles hot-key which is CTRL+ALT++SHIFT+S to get into the styles window. That may help. I'll keep playing with Word to see if I can replicate your issue, but it seems very strange to me. Good Luck, Jon Jon P. Pielaet Program Assistant for Instructional Materials Disability Services for Students Emma B. Lommasson 154 The University of Montana Missoula, MT 59812 www.umt.edu/dss/ 406-243-2243 Voice/Text 406-243-4461 Direct Line 406-243-5330 Fax From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:24 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] JAWS 11 and Word 2007 Hey all, Is it just me, or is there an issue with JAWS 11 and the Styles window in Word 2007? On the machines I have JAWS 11 installed on, when I press ALT+O then S to go into the Styles window, focus moves to the window then immediately moves back to the document. I cannot select any of the styles from the keyboard. On machines that I'm still running JAWS 10 on, the keyboard access works perfectly. Any ideas? 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Ron **************************************************************************** *** Ron Stewart Managing Consultant Altformat Solutions LLC 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@altformatsolutions.com www.altformatsolutions.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeffreydell99 at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 11:53:10 2010 From: jeffreydell99 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Dell) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] JAWS 11 and Word 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <6D6D5D870B9D6243922DB0F261E70A00029E632C@MUMMAILVS2.gs.umt.edu> Message-ID: <6e84aedd1002241153j5ab4e4f5s5670c6a3dd9614be@mail.gmail.com> I've had simular issues with JAWS 11 on Windows Vista 64 with Office 2007 on an HP Pavillion Laptop. It is my laptop at home and I have nto had time to resolve it. The problem that I have is that I cannot read word by word or characters in the document. But it will read line by line. I've seen many quirks in JAWS 11 that make me wish that I had never installed it. I often use JAWS 10 or NVDA instead. Jeff On 2/24/10, Robert Beach wrote: > Hi again Jon, > > I just tried the key command you suggested on my laptop running Office 2007 > and JAWS 11. I get the same results as with the command I originally tried. > Also, I still cannot use the F6 key to move into the Styles Window. > > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > Phone: 913-288-7671 > Fax: 913-288-7678 > E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Pielaet, Jon > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:02 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] JAWS 11 and Word 2007 > > Robert, > > I am not having that problem with my JAWS 11 installation. You may want to > try using the Styles hot-key which is CTRL+ALT++SHIFT+S to get into the > styles window. That may help. > > I'll keep playing with Word to see if I can replicate your issue, but it > seems very strange to me. > > Good Luck, > > Jon > > Jon P. Pielaet > Program Assistant for Instructional Materials > Disability Services for Students > Emma B. Lommasson 154 > The University of Montana > Missoula, MT 59812 > > www.umt.edu/dss/ > > 406-243-2243 Voice/Text > 406-243-4461 Direct Line > 406-243-5330 Fax > > > > From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On > Behalf Of Robert Beach > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:24 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] JAWS 11 and Word 2007 > > Hey all, > > Is it just me, or is there an issue with JAWS 11 and the Styles window in > Word 2007? On the machines I have JAWS 11 installed on, when I press ALT+O > then S to go into the Styles window, focus moves to the window then > immediately moves back to the document. I cannot select any of the styles > from the keyboard. On machines that I'm still running JAWS 10 on, the > keyboard access works perfectly. Any ideas? > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > Phone: 913-288-7671 > Fax: 913-288-7678 > E-Mail: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > From jhausler at cahs.colostate.edu Thu Feb 25 14:25:25 2010 From: jhausler at cahs.colostate.edu (Hausler,Jesse) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] captioning In-Reply-To: <4B7F1106.2020702@stanford.edu> References: <66CA77B6F1A6AE44B6EC941464FFB31C790D463B6C@EXCHCLUSTER.scc.stchas.edu> <4B7F1106.2020702@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <3F3B6F21B523744BBA0EF420CCD8078F877FAFBD9F@ODIN.CAHS.ColoState.EDU> Sean, When you do outsource, who do you use? Or who do you recommend one investigates? Jesse -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean J Keegan Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 3:31 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] captioning > We are in the process of developing some > policies regarding captioning of media, > and wanted to find out how some other > campuses are handling it. > Do you outsource it? It depends. If the materials need to be done very fast (e.g., 24-48hr turnaround) and is a non-Web based format, then we will most likely outsource. Also, if the video is a foreign language, or in a recent case, heavily accented British English slang, then we outsource. Our office coordinates the captioning process if it is intended as an accommodation (e.g., specific student for specific class). This is usually coordinated either through myself or our Accommodations Coordinator. We have used a few different transcription companies for the outsourcing part, particularly when we need the materials back in a very specific file format (e.g., DVD, VHS, QuickTime/Windows Media movie, etc.). In terms of software, I use several depending on the final output. Most of the work I see is already in a digital format, so I tend to use MAGpie (free) and MovCaptioner (low-cost). If you have money, then CPC's MacCaption or CaptionMaker software will do just about any format. It is good to review the type of video materials your institution is predominately using as it may also be cheaper to outsource the captioning of some content than to purchase whole racks of equipment. I know some institutions who had VHS tape they wanted captioned, but were also moving to DVDs. It was far cheaper to just purchase captioned DVDs than to go through the captioning process. In terms of how we address captioning right now, our office, in collaboration with the Stanford Online Accessibility Project (SOAP), built a Web-based system to facilitate the process of getting video content captioned, particularly for Web-based video. This was initially a pilot project aimed at converting video into Web-ready formats as well as delivering caption files. The transcript process was outsourced to transcription companies and the captioning system then used the transcripts to automatically synchronize the video and transcript. If a staff member already had a prepared transcript, then that could be loaded into the system and the time-stamping would be done at no cost. The idea of the project was to give the University a means that coordinated the outsourcing and creation of captioned materials in Web-friendly formats "semi-autonomously". We did not want one person to have to manually handle each transaction or to do the actual time-stamping, so we built a Web system to handle that part for us. A presentation from Accessing Higher Ground is online: http://captioning.stanford.edu/presentations/ (best viewed using Opera Slideshow) In terms of captioning policies, my suggestion would be to develop practices and processes before the policy. Too often I have seen colleges develop a "captioning policy" that creates the situation where faculty, staff, etc. abandon the use of media altogether (or just ignore getting the video captioned) because the policy is so restrictive or so removed from actual practices that it becomes near impossible to comply. Take care, Sean From fgsmith at vcu.edu Fri Feb 26 13:02:20 2010 From: fgsmith at vcu.edu (Frances G Smith/AC/VCU) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] AUTO: Frances G Smith/AC/VCU is out of the office. (returning 03/10/2010) Message-ID: I am out of the office until 03/10/2010. I will be out of the office during these times on a research project and will return all emails or calls upon my return on 3/10/2010. If you need to contact anyone at the T/TAC office, please call our main number at 804-828-6947, Note: This is an automated response to your message "Athen Digest, Vol 49, Issue 35" sent on 2/26/10 15:00:02. This is the only notification you will receive while this person is away. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mary_watkins at wgbh.org Fri Feb 26 13:26:57 2010 From: mary_watkins at wgbh.org (Mary Watkins) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Athen Digest, captioning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all. Wanted to make sure list members know that WGBH, creator of MAGpie (the Media Access Generator) that Sean mentioned is also a captioning (and descriptive narration) vendor. That's how we started, way back in 1972 when we pioneered captioning for TV. We've never met a media format we didn't like. More at access.wgbh.org, or email access@wgbh.org for pricing and turnaround info. And, for those working with Flash, see info on CC for Flash and the CC for Flash Player (also free and from the same minds that brought you MAGpie). One more resource, CaptionKeeper, which would come in handy if you are reversioning analog media which used line 21 captioning. CaptionKeeper extracts the data from line 21 and reinserts it in digital formats. Info on all of these and more is corralled on our Tools and Guidelines page: http://ncam.wgbh.org/invent_build/web_multimedia/tools-guidelines Best, Mary Watkins Media Access Group at WGBH mary_watkins@wgbh.org Follow us on Facebook and Twitter (AccessWGBH) On 2/26/10 3:00 PM, "athen-request@athenpro.org" wrote: Send Athen mailing list submissions to athen@athenpro.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-request@athenpro.org You can reach the person managing the list at athen-owner@athenpro.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Athen digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: captioning (Hausler,Jesse) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:25:25 -0700 From: "Hausler,Jesse" Subject: Re: [Athen] captioning To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <3F3B6F21B523744BBA0EF420CCD8078F877FAFBD9F@ODIN.CAHS.ColoState.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sean, When you do outsource, who do you use? Or who do you recommend one investigates? Jesse -----Original Message----- From: athen-bounces@athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces@athenpro.org] On Behalf Of Sean J Keegan Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 3:31 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] captioning > We are in the process of developing some > policies regarding captioning of media, > and wanted to find out how some other > campuses are handling it. > Do you outsource it? It depends. If the materials need to be done very fast (e.g., 24-48hr turnaround) and is a non-Web based format, then we will most likely outsource. Also, if the video is a foreign language, or in a recent case, heavily accented British English slang, then we outsource. Our office coordinates the captioning process if it is intended as an accommodation (e.g., specific student for specific class). This is usually coordinated either through myself or our Accommodations Coordinator. We have used a few different transcription companies for the outsourcing part, particularly when we need the materials back in a very specific file format (e.g., DVD, VHS, QuickTime/Windows Media movie, etc.). In terms of software, I use several depending on the final output. Most of the work I see is already in a digital format, so I tend to use MAGpie (free) and MovCaptioner (low-cost). If you have money, then CPC's MacCaption or CaptionMaker software will do just about any format. It is good to review the type of video materials your institution is predominately using as it may also be cheaper to outsource the captioning of some content than to purchase whole racks of equipment. I know some institutions who had VHS tape they wanted captioned, but were also moving to DVDs. It was far cheaper to just purchase captioned DVDs than to go through the captioning process. In terms of how we address captioning right now, our office, in collaboration with the Stanford Online Accessibility Project (SOAP), built a Web-based system to facilitate the process of getting video content captioned, particularly for Web-based video. This was initially a pilot project aimed at converting video into Web-ready formats as well as delivering caption files. The transcript process was outsourced to transcription companies and the captioning system then used the transcripts to automatically synchronize the video and transcript. If a staff member already had a prepared transcript, then that could be loaded into the system and the time-stamping would be done at no cost. The idea of the project was to give the University a means that coordinated the outsourcing and creation of captioned materials in Web-friendly formats "semi-autonomously". We did not want one person to have to manually handle each transaction or to do the actual time-stamping, so we built a Web system to handle that part for us. A presentation from Accessing Higher Ground is online: http://captioning.stanford.edu/presentations/ (best viewed using Opera Slideshow) In terms of captioning policies, my suggestion would be to develop practices and processes before the policy. Too often I have seen colleges develop a "captioning policy" that creates the situation where faculty, staff, etc. abandon the use of media altogether (or just ignore getting the video captioned) because the policy is so restrictive or so removed from actual practices that it becomes near impossible to comply. Take care, Sean ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Athen mailing list Athen@athenpro.org http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org End of Athen Digest, Vol 49, Issue 35 ************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Fri Feb 26 15:30:06 2010 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:29:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Elections and Proposed Amendment Message-ID: To the ATHEN membership: We have two issues that need to be voted on: (1) the slate of officers and (2) a proposed amendment. 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