From jeano at uwm.edu Thu Mar 1 09:22:50 2012 From: jeano at uwm.edu (Jean M Salzer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Prezi? Message-ID: <378055232.1674038.1330622570872.JavaMail.root@mail03.pantherlink.uwm.edu> Hello, I've recently learned about Prezi - when a colleague asked me about accessibility of the program. Because I don't often get to thoroughly read these digest postings, I'm wondering what the talk (if any) has been. I did a little research and found that, not only does Prezi admit it isn't anywhere near compliant with federal laws, they also state they are working on it, but haven't actually done anything in at least the last 10 months. As they launch PreziU, I'm concerned they don't appear to be working toward anything related to access. Any thoughts? Has anyone done further research? Thanks, Jean -- Peace. 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URL: From hadi at illinois.edu Fri Mar 2 06:51:26 2012 From: hadi at illinois.edu (Rangin, Hadi Bargi) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Course announcement: Universal Design for Online Learning Message-ID: [Please forward this e-mail to anyone who you think might be interested or benefit from this course.] Universal Design for Online Learning Universal design seeks to make online learning equitable, flexible, and accessible for all types of learners. In this course you will discover how principles of Universal Design can help you create course content that can be accessed and used by anyone, including people with disabilities. By the end of this course, you will have a good understanding of universal design principles for online learning, potential accessibility/usability issues that need to be considered in course design, and how to create more accessible/usable course content. As the focus will be on web accessibility, familiarity with HTML is desired but not required. Participants should also have familiarity with Microsoft Word, PowerPoint, and Adobe PDF programs. This is an ION (Illinois Online Network) course delivered asynchronously through MVCR.org, a Moodle environment (www.moodle.org). Course Objectives * Develop an understanding of universal design principles for online learning. * Understand how people with disabilities access the web and other formats. * Understand potential accessibility/usability issues that need to be considered in course design and instruction. * Understand accessibility issues with multimedia content and potential solutions for them. * Create more accessible/usable HTML-based course content. * Create more accessible/usable Microsoft Word documents. * Create more accessible/usable Microsoft PowerPoint presentations. * Create more accessible/usable Adobe PDF documents. Course Information * Instructor: Hadi Rangin * Co-instructor: Marc Thompson * Credit hours: 2 (if taken for credit through UIS as CSC 410) * Length: 8 weeks (From March 19 to May 12) * Cost: see http://www.ion.uillinois.edu/courses/students/cost.asp for details * For more information contact: Illinois Online Network 877-775-8345 phone, email ion-mail@uillinois.edu, or see the course catalog description. * To register for this course visit http://www.ion.uillinois.edu/myion/index.asp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johumber at iupui.edu Tue Mar 6 06:59:08 2012 From: johumber at iupui.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Message-ID: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213E9AE5@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> Hello ATHEN list members, Attached is the draft of ATHEN's response to the Section 508 update created by a sub-group of members who volunteered to work on it. Everyone please review the document and post comments back to the list. Comments are needed by 5pm tomorrow so that I may finalize the response and submit it before the 11:59pm deadline on March 7th. I apologize for the late notice, but there was a very short time table on this project. Thank you to all those who have participated. Alterative link to document: http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Terrill Thompson pointed out that the time to debate WCAG 2.0 level AA success criteria was when those guidelines were being drafted. I am more than happy to address the audio descriptions point of contention in the response, if the membership feels it needs to be addressed. - Joe From: Ron Stewart [mailto:ron@ahead.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 12:21 PM To: Humbert, Joseph A Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update First feedback I have gotten from AHEAD is about audio description. I know that was a point of contention, and there seems to be some language related to the topic but should it be addressed more specifically? Ron From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 6:59 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Hello ATHEN list members, Attached is the draft of ATHEN's response to the Section 508 update created by a sub-group of members who volunteered to work on it. Everyone please review the document and post comments back to the list. Comments are needed by 5pm tomorrow so that I may finalize the response and submit it before the 11:59pm deadline on March 7th. I apologize for the late notice, but there was a very short time table on this project. Thank you to all those who have participated. Alterative link to document: http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for all the work on this, Patrick At 06:59 AM 3/6/2012, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: >Hello ATHEN list members, > >Attached is the draft of ATHEN's response to the Section 508 update >created by a sub-group of members who volunteered to work on it. >Everyone please review the document and post comments back to the >list. Comments are needed by 5pm tomorrow so that I may finalize the >response and submit it before the 11:59pm deadline on March 7th. I >apologize for the late notice, but there was a very short time table on >this project. Thank you to all those who have participated. > >Alterative link to document: >htt >p://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc > > >Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS >Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, >Indianapolis and Bloomington >535 W Michigan St. IT214 E >Indianapolis, IN 46202 >Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 >Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 >johumber@iupui.edu >http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ > > >_______________________________________________ >athen-list mailing list >athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu >http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Patrick J. Burke Coordinator UCLA Disabilities & Computing Program Phone: 310 206-6004 E-mail: burke@ucla.edu Location: 4909 Math Science Department Contact: dcp@oit.ucla.edu From Susan.Kelmer at Colorado.EDU Tue Mar 6 14:39:43 2012 From: Susan.Kelmer at Colorado.EDU (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] ALEKS accessibility Message-ID: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A538072486E7921D@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> Anyone have information on the accessibility of ALEKS, the math assessment tool? (www.aleks.com) This is being rolled out here, apparently, and there are questions being raised. I've never heard of it. Anyone have insight? Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Tue Mar 6 15:12:30 2012 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] ALEKS accessibility In-Reply-To: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A538072486E7921D@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> References: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A538072486E7921D@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <02842E54B02144BDB5F8AEE400C47BCB@htctu.fhda.edu> The last I checked (about a year and a half ago) they were not at all accessible. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _____ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 2:40 PM To: dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu; AccessTechnology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] ALEKS accessibility Anyone have information on the accessibility of ALEKS, the math assessment tool? (www.aleks.com) This is being rolled out here, apparently, and there are questions being raised. I've never heard of it. Anyone have insight? Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winkharner at mesacc.edu Tue Mar 6 15:40:24 2012 From: winkharner at mesacc.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps In-Reply-To: <1E77D7FA-3323-4A67-BBE7-1008F07B9EF3@mesacc.edu> Message-ID: <3acb543b-5fe9-4871-b8e1-c73f2e28304a@mailstore1.mesacc.edu> Hi all, Our college district has adopted Google Apps for Education (email & calendaring). Any warnings, tips or tricks you might have that I could pass along to our district IT folks in advance regarding known accessibility issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Wink -- Ms. Wink Harner Project Support Mesa Community College 1833 W. 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Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Hi all, Our college district has adopted Google Apps for Education (email & calendaring). Any warnings, tips or tricks you might have that I could pass along to our district IT folks in advance regarding known accessibility issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Wink -- Ms. Wink Harner Project Support Mesa Community College 1833 W. Southern Avenue Mesa AZ 85201 winkharner@mesacc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winkharner at mesacc.edu Tue Mar 6 16:22:27 2012 From: winkharner at mesacc.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps In-Reply-To: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A538072486E79225@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <9d8051f3-d5ab-4d5f-b07c-637e594903c1@mailstore1.mesacc.edu> Thanks Susan! I knew my peeples would come through for me!! Is there a link on the ATHEN website for their report? I may not have saved the report directly in my recent "switch." Wink ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kelmer" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 4:43:41 PM Subject: RE: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Read Hadi and Joe?s report? Not accessible. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Hi all, Our college district has adopted Google Apps for Education (email & calendaring). Any warnings, tips or tricks you might have that I could pass along to our district IT folks in advance regarding known accessibility issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Wink -- Ms. Wink Harner Project Support Mesa Community College 1833 W. Southern Avenue Mesa AZ 85201 winkharner@mesacc.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Ms. Wink Harner Mesa Community College 1833 W. 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Comments > are needed by 5pm tomorrow so that I may finalize the response and submit > it before the 11:59pm deadline on March 7th. I apologize for the late > notice, but there was a very short time table on this project. Thank you > to all those who have participated.**** > > ** ** > > Alterative link to document: > http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc **** > > ** ** > > Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist**** > > UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers**** > > Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington**** > > 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E**** > > Indianapolis, IN 46202**** > > Office Phone: (317) 274-4378**** > > Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824**** > > johumber@iupui.edu**** > > http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ **** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Hi all, Our college district has adopted Google Apps for Education (email & calendaring). Any warnings, tips or tricks you might have that I could pass along to our district IT folks in advance regarding known accessibility issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Wink -- Ms. Wink Harner Project Support Mesa Community College 1833 W. Southern Avenue Mesa AZ 85201 winkharner@mesacc.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Ms. Wink Harner Mesa Community College 1833 W. 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Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:47 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Hi Joe Had a look and made some edits to clean up some typos and usage. There seems to be a reference to content (I made the comment as an edit) that is missing. The revised/edited doc is attached. -*- Dan On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: Hello ATHEN list members, Attached is the draft of ATHEN's response to the Section 508 update created by a sub-group of members who volunteered to work on it. Everyone please review the document and post comments back to the list. Comments are needed by 5pm tomorrow so that I may finalize the response and submit it before the 11:59pm deadline on March 7th. I apologize for the late notice, but there was a very short time table on this project. Thank you to all those who have participated. Alterative link to document: http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johumber at iupui.edu Tue Mar 6 17:50:51 2012 From: johumber at iupui.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update In-Reply-To: <00c501ccfc01$a0416970$e0c43c50$@ahead.org> References: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213E9AE5@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> , <00c501ccfc01$a0416970$e0c43c50$@ahead.org> Message-ID: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213F3D29@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> I will make all the changes tonight and resend to the list. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Ron Stewart [ron@ahead.org] Received: Tuesday, 06 Mar 2012, 8:30pm To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' [athen-list@u.washington.edu] Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update If at all possible we need to get this finalized by first thing in the AM, thus far the response from AHEAD has been favorable. I would like them to sign on but regardless feel this is worth sending forward with the most recent editorial review. Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:47 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Hi Joe Had a look and made some edits to clean up some typos and usage. There seems to be a reference to content (I made the comment as an edit) that is missing. The revised/edited doc is attached. -*- Dan On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Humbert, Joseph A > wrote: Hello ATHEN list members, Attached is the draft of ATHEN?s response to the Section 508 update created by a sub-group of members who volunteered to work on it. Everyone please review the document and post comments back to the list. Comments are needed by 5pm tomorrow so that I may finalize the response and submit it before the 11:59pm deadline on March 7th. I apologize for the late notice, but there was a very short time table on this project. Thank you to all those who have participated. Alterative link to document: http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Teresa.Haven at asu.edu Tue Mar 6 15:18:33 2012 From: Teresa.Haven at asu.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] ALEKS accessibility In-Reply-To: <02842E54B02144BDB5F8AEE400C47BCB@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A538072486E7921D@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu>, <02842E54B02144BDB5F8AEE400C47BCB@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: Still not accessible. Teresa Gaeir Dietrich wrote: The last I checked (about a year and a half ago) they were not at all accessible. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 2:40 PM To: dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu; AccessTechnology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] ALEKS accessibility Anyone have information on the accessibility of ALEKS, the math assessment tool? (www.aleks.com) This is being rolled out here, apparently, and there are questions being raised. I?ve never heard of it. Anyone have insight? 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Alterative link to document: http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc - Joe ________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Ron Stewart [ron@ahead.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 8:28 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update If at all possible we need to get this finalized by first thing in the AM, thus far the response from AHEAD has been favorable. I would like them to sign on but regardless feel this is worth sending forward with the most recent editorial review. Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:47 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Hi Joe Had a look and made some edits to clean up some typos and usage. There seems to be a reference to content (I made the comment as an edit) that is missing. The revised/edited doc is attached. -*- Dan On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Humbert, Joseph A > wrote: Hello ATHEN list members, Attached is the draft of ATHEN?s response to the Section 508 update created by a sub-group of members who volunteered to work on it. Everyone please review the document and post comments back to the list. Comments are needed by 5pm tomorrow so that I may finalize the response and submit it before the 11:59pm deadline on March 7th. I apologize for the late notice, but there was a very short time table on this project. Thank you to all those who have participated. Alterative link to document: http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Request that this Advisory include/reference language already within 2010 ADA Standards for Accessible Design pertaining to Vending and ATM machines. Omit: "Unifying the two areas public use, Architectural and Electronic, would bring otherwise dispersed offices of expertise together". I'll trust that this point will be made". I like this rewrite but I think to cast the broadest net we include the question and request for funding training to all topics, including elements relevant to procurement officers, buyers and administrative staff - Omit: * This section mentions training and the use of ?People First Language?. *Is it in the Access Board?s purview to mandate that federal general funds be made available to agencies for the improvement of support services training and professional development to advance the use of ?People First Language?? Advisory 603.2 Information on Accessibility and Compatibility Features Omit ? This section mentions training and the use of ?People First Language?. Is it in the Access Board?s purview to mandate that federal general funds be made available to agencies for the improvement of support services training and professional development to advance the use of ?People First Language?? Omit (How it's done is their business - we may just want to suggest that they explicitly state that it should be done) "Possible language would discuss how general budgets might be scaled to an agency?s size accounting for and brother/sister departments, scope of agencies document creation, public interaction and procurement". (Copy Advisory in full): A best practice is for ICT support services to provide training programs about the following topics: accessibility requirements for individuals with disabilities; methods of communication used by individuals with disabilities; assistive technology commonly used with ICT products; designing for accessibility; solutions for accessibility and compatibility of ICT with assistive technology; the use of people-first language; and sensitivity training concerning disability issues. (Propose the Question): Is it in the Access Board?s purview to state that independent agencies and government corporations created by Congress shall be specifically and sufficiently funded for ICT support service training programs in all topics listed? (Follow with Statement): If so, 508 Support Services should, at minimum, also include: ICT accessible document creation and remediation; ICT product assessment; user testing; and publication of methods and findings for procurement officers, buyers, and administrative personnel. Finally - Omit (Used by GSA) This infers that some testing or at minimum, VPAT or GPAT (used by the GSA) assessment skill set be in place be that in-house or outsourced. This may be inferred in section C207.2 Product Design Development, and Evaluation: Bill Grubaugh Note: Comments within the is communication are viewpoints of the sender and may not express the viewpoints of the SF State. ________________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] on behalf of athen-list-request@mailman1.u.washington.edu [athen-list-request@mailman1.u.washington.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 8:06 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 74, Issue 8 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman1.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman1.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: ALEKS accessibility (Teresa Haven) 2. RE: ATHEN's response to the section 508 update (Humbert, Joseph A) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 23:18:33 +0000 From: Teresa Haven Subject: RE: [Athen] ALEKS accessibility To: "gdietrich@htctu.net" , Access Technology Higher Education Network Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Still not accessible. Teresa Gaeir Dietrich wrote: The last I checked (about a year and a half ago) they were not at all accessible. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 2:40 PM To: dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu; AccessTechnology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] ALEKS accessibility Anyone have information on the accessibility of ALEKS, the math assessment tool? (www.aleks.com) This is being rolled out here, apparently, and there are questions being raised. I?ve never heard of it. Anyone have insight? Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20120306/1f8b7d32/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 04:05:47 +0000 From: "Humbert, Joseph A" Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Message-ID: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213F5DC3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Hi All, Attached and linked is the updated version with both Patrick and Dan's comments/edits included (Thankx Guys). Patrick and Dan could you please take a look and see if you approve or if you find new errors. If anyone has any additional comments, I need them by 12pm EST. Thankx again to all who participated. Alterative link to document: http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc - Joe ________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Ron Stewart [ron@ahead.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 8:28 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update If at all possible we need to get this finalized by first thing in the AM, thus far the response from AHEAD has been favorable. I would like them to sign on but regardless feel this is worth sending forward with the most recent editorial review. Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:47 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Hi Joe Had a look and made some edits to clean up some typos and usage. There seems to be a reference to content (I made the comment as an edit) that is missing. The revised/edited doc is attached. -*- Dan On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Humbert, Joseph A > wrote: Hello ATHEN list members, Attached is the draft of ATHEN?s response to the Section 508 update created by a sub-group of members who volunteered to work on it. Everyone please review the document and post comments back to the list. Comments are needed by 5pm tomorrow so that I may finalize the response and submit it before the 11:59pm deadline on March 7th. I apologize for the late notice, but there was a very short time table on this project. Thank you to all those who have participated. Alterative link to document: http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please keep comments and suggestions coming. New draft included Alterative link to document: http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc - Joe -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Burke [mailto:burke@ucla.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:00 AM To: Humbert, Joseph A Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update * Hi Joe, * Looking good!... * One question, re this section (bottom of page 6): * The Functional Success Criteria (Chapter 3) does not include any criteria specific to learning disabilities. We were unable to come up with a specific recommendation, but I'm capturing this here as a placeholder for further deliberation. Does this mean it requires further work by ATHEN, or by the Access Board? If meant as a task for regulators, I suggest changing to: "We were unable to formulate specific recommendations, but effects on populations with learning disabilities deserve further deliberation. " Fun stuff! :) Thanks for tackling this, Patrick At 08:05 PM 3/6/2012, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: >Hi All, > >Attached and linked is the updated version with both Patrick and Dan's >comments/edits included (Thankx Guys). Patrick and Dan could you >please take a look and see if you approve or if you find new errors. If >anyone has any additional comments, I need them by 12pm EST. Thankx >again to all who participated. > >Alterative link to document: >htt >p://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc > >- Joe > >---------- >From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu >[athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Ron Stewart >[ron@ahead.org] >Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 8:28 PM >To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' >Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update > >If at all possible we need to get this finalized by first thing in the >AM, thus far the response from AHEAD has been favorable. I would like >them to sign on but regardless feel this is worth sending forward with >the most recent editorial review. > >Ron Stewart > >From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu >[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Dan >Comden >Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:47 PM >To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update > >Hi Joe > >Had a look and made some edits to clean up some typos and usage. >There seems to be a reference to content (I made the comment as an >edit) that is missing. The revised/edited doc is attached. > >-*- Dan >On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Humbert, Joseph A ><johumber@iupui.edu> wrote: >Hello ATHEN list members, > >Attached is the draft of ATHEN's response to the Section 508 update >created by a sub-group of members who volunteered to work on it. >Everyone please review the document and post comments back to the >list. Comments are needed by 5pm tomorrow so that I may finalize the >response and submit it before the 11:59pm deadline on March 7th. I >apologize for the late notice, but there was a very short time table on >this project. Thank you to all those who have participated. > >Alterative link to document: >htt >p://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc > > >Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS >Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, >Indianapolis and Bloomington >535 W Michigan St. IT214 E >Indianapolis, IN 46202 >Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: >(317) 644-6824 >johumber@iupui.edu >http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Comments: Page 6, 3rd paragraph: ?Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop to desktop support the software is something that you downloaded for free, something that is by nature of acquisition your property.? Sentence appears to be run-on. Suggest: ?Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop-to-desktop support. The software you downloaded for free is, by nature of acquisition, your property.? ******** Page 7, 2nd paragraph: "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard." Not sure what is meant by this paragraph. Does it mean there are no standards related to captioning for different media formats? Does it mean that there is no standard method for playing captions? Does it mean there are no standards specific to identifying if the media is captioned? Accessibility data *is* included; it's just that it can exist differently for the same media format. I am unclear as to what ATHEN's intent is for this paragraph. ******** Page 8, 1st paragraph: "ATHEN recommends that an advisory be included that defines a relative time frame for Alternate format delivery. For example, ?equally effective? and ?equable? to the nature of the information transmission, update and, storage (i.e. legacy documents, archived databases, and time-sensitive material should be available in an ?equitable time sensitive manner?.)" Suggest: Equable is generally defined as "not easily angered, even-tempered" or "calm and steady". Was "equitable" the intended word? ******** All my other issues (specific to the document) appear to be addressed in the latest version sent out by Joe. Looks like a solid document. Once this gets completed, I have a feeling that there will likely need to be another document from ATHEN/AHEAD providing guidance to educational institutions as to what the refresh actually means. Take care, Sean On 3/7/12 8:28 AM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > Hi Again, > > I have incorporated the suggestions from both Aaron and Patrick (Thankx) and comments send directly to me from Terrill Thompson and Bill Grubaugh. Please keep comments and suggestions coming. New draft included > > Alterative link to document: http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc > > - Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Burke [mailto:burke@ucla.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:00 AM > To: Humbert, Joseph A > Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update > > > * Hi Joe, > * Looking good!... > * One question, re this section (bottom of page 6): > * The Functional Success Criteria (Chapter 3) does not include any criteria specific to learning disabilities. We were unable to come up with a specific recommendation, but I'm capturing this here as a placeholder for further deliberation. > > Does this mean it requires further work by ATHEN, or by the Access Board? If meant as a task for regulators, I suggest changing to: > > "We were unable to formulate specific recommendations, but effects on populations with learning disabilities deserve further deliberation." > > Fun stuff! :) Thanks for tackling this, > > Patrick From dabrus at purdue.edu Wed Mar 7 11:14:17 2012 From: dabrus at purdue.edu (Brusnighan, Dean A.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] ALEKS accessibility In-Reply-To: References: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A538072486E7921D@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu>, <02842E54B02144BDB5F8AEE400C47BCB@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: Susan, In our recent testing, we found the ALEKS shell to be accessible, but as soon as the actual math questions begin, not at all accessible. Dean ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dean Brusnighan Assistive Technology Specialist Purdue University, Young Hall 155 S. Grant Street West Lafayette, IN 47907-2108 Phone: 765-494-9082 dabrus@purdue.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 6:19 PM To: gdietrich@htctu.net; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] ALEKS accessibility Still not accessible. Teresa Gaeir Dietrich > wrote: The last I checked (about a year and a half ago) they were not at all accessible. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 2:40 PM To: dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu; AccessTechnology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] ALEKS accessibility Anyone have information on the accessibility of ALEKS, the math assessment tool? (www.aleks.com) This is being rolled out here, apparently, and there are questions being raised. I've never heard of it. Anyone have insight? Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johumber at iupui.edu Wed Mar 7 11:19:15 2012 From: johumber at iupui.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update In-Reply-To: <4F57AD69.2000709@stanford.edu> References: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213E9AE5@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <00c501ccfc01$a0416970$e0c43c50$@ahead.org> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213F5DC3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <201203071359.q27Dxi3r020482@mail.ucla.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FC7E3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <4F57AD69.2000709@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FF41C@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> Added the suggestions from Bill and Sean. Sean, The section below was suggested by Gaeir. I am not totally sure of her intent. Multiple suggestions have modified it over the course of this document's drafting process (today). Anyone have suggestion's for better language? Gaier? Page 7, 2nd paragraph: "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard." Not sure what is meant by this paragraph. Does it mean there are no standards related to captioning for different media formats? Does it mean that there is no standard method for playing captions? Does it mean there are no standards specific to identifying if the media is captioned? Accessibility data *is* included; it's just that it can exist differently for the same media format. I am unclear as to what ATHEN's intent is for this paragraph. Alterative link to document: http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc - Joe -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean J Keegan Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 1:48 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Hi Joe, Sorry for the delayed participation - I have been reprising the role of Florence Nightingale for my family. Comments: Page 6, 3rd paragraph: "Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop to desktop support the software is something that you downloaded for free, something that is by nature of acquisition your property." Sentence appears to be run-on. Suggest: "Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop-to-desktop support. The software you downloaded for free is, by nature of acquisition, your property." ******** Page 7, 2nd paragraph: "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard." Not sure what is meant by this paragraph. Does it mean there are no standards related to captioning for different media formats? Does it mean that there is no standard method for playing captions? Does it mean there are no standards specific to identifying if the media is captioned? Accessibility data *is* included; it's just that it can exist differently for the same media format. I am unclear as to what ATHEN's intent is for this paragraph. ******** Page 8, 1st paragraph: "ATHEN recommends that an advisory be included that defines a relative time frame for Alternate format delivery. For example, "equally effective" and "equable" to the nature of the information transmission, update and, storage (i.e. legacy documents, archived databases, and time-sensitive material should be available in an "equitable time sensitive manner".)" Suggest: Equable is generally defined as "not easily angered, even-tempered" or "calm and steady". Was "equitable" the intended word? ******** All my other issues (specific to the document) appear to be addressed in the latest version sent out by Joe. Looks like a solid document. Once this gets completed, I have a feeling that there will likely need to be another document from ATHEN/AHEAD providing guidance to educational institutions as to what the refresh actually means. Take care, Sean On 3/7/12 8:28 AM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > Hi Again, > > I have incorporated the suggestions from both Aaron and Patrick > (Thankx) and comments send directly to me from Terrill Thompson and > Bill Grubaugh. Please keep comments and suggestions coming. New > draft included > > Alterative link to document: > http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc > > - Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Burke [mailto:burke@ucla.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:00 AM > To: Humbert, Joseph A > Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update > > > * Hi Joe, > * Looking good!... > * One question, re this section (bottom of page 6): > * The Functional Success Criteria (Chapter 3) does not include any criteria specific to learning disabilities. We were unable to come up with a specific recommendation, but I'm capturing this here as a placeholder for further deliberation. > > Does this mean it requires further work by ATHEN, or by the Access Board? If meant as a task for regulators, I suggest changing to: > > "We were unable to formulate specific recommendations, but effects on populations with learning disabilities deserve further deliberation." > > Fun stuff! :) Thanks for tackling this, > > Patrick _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman1.u.washington.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 11:20 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 74, Issue 10 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman1.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman1.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: ATHEN's response to the section 508 update (Sean J Keegan) 2. RE: ALEKS accessibility (Brusnighan, Dean A.) 3. RE: ATHEN's response to the section 508 update (Humbert, Joseph A) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:48:09 -0800 From: Sean J Keegan Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Message-ID: <4F57AD69.2000709@stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Hi Joe, Sorry for the delayed participation - I have been reprising the role of Florence Nightingale for my family. Comments: Page 6, 3rd paragraph: ?Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop to desktop support the software is something that you downloaded for free, something that is by nature of acquisition your property.? Sentence appears to be run-on. Suggest: ?Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop-to-desktop support. The software you downloaded for free is, by nature of acquisition, your property.? ******** Page 7, 2nd paragraph: "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard." Not sure what is meant by this paragraph. Does it mean there are no standards related to captioning for different media formats? Does it mean that there is no standard method for playing captions? Does it mean there are no standards specific to identifying if the media is captioned? Accessibility data *is* included; it's just that it can exist differently for the same media format. I am unclear as to what ATHEN's intent is for this paragraph. ******** Page 8, 1st paragraph: "ATHEN recommends that an advisory be included that defines a relative time frame for Alternate format delivery. For example, ?equally effective and equitable to the nature of the information transmission, update and, storage (i.e. legacy documents, archived databases, and time-sensitive material should be available in an ?equitable time sensitive manner?.)" Suggest: Equable is generally defined as "not easily angered, even-tempered" or "calm and steady". Was "equitable" the intended word? ******** All my other issues (specific to the document) appear to be addressed in the latest version sent out by Joe. Looks like a solid document. Once this gets completed, I have a feeling that there will likely need to be another document from ATHEN/AHEAD providing guidance to educational institutions as to what the refresh actually means. Take care, Sean On 3/7/12 8:28 AM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > Hi Again, > > I have incorporated the suggestions from both Aaron and Patrick > (Thankx) and comments send directly to me from Terrill Thompson and > Bill Grubaugh. Please keep comments and suggestions coming. New > draft included > > Alterative link to document: > http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc > > - Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Burke [mailto:burke@ucla.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:00 AM > To: Humbert, Joseph A > Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update > > > * Hi Joe, > * Looking good!... > * One question, re this section (bottom of page 6): > * The Functional Success Criteria (Chapter 3) does not include any criteria specific to learning disabilities. We were unable to come up with a specific recommendation, but I'm capturing this here as a placeholder for further deliberation. > > Does this mean it requires further work by ATHEN, or by the Access Board? If meant as a task for regulators, I suggest changing to: > > "We were unable to formulate specific recommendations, but effects on populations with learning disabilities deserve further deliberation." > > Fun stuff! :) Thanks for tackling this, > > Patrick ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:14:17 -0500 From: "Brusnighan, Dean A." Subject: RE: [Athen] ALEKS accessibility To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Susan, In our recent testing, we found the ALEKS shell to be accessible, but as soon as the actual math questions begin, not at all accessible. Dean ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dean Brusnighan Assistive Technology Specialist Purdue University, Young Hall 155 S. Grant Street West Lafayette, IN 47907-2108 Phone: 765-494-9082 dabrus@purdue.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 6:19 PM To: gdietrich@htctu.net; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] ALEKS accessibility Still not accessible. Teresa Gaeir Dietrich > wrote: The last I checked (about a year and a half ago) they were not at all accessible. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 2:40 PM To: dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu; AccessTechnology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] ALEKS accessibility Anyone have information on the accessibility of ALEKS, the math assessment tool? (www.aleks.com) This is being rolled out here, apparently, and there are questions being raised. I've never heard of it. Anyone have insight? Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20120307/24019d50/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 19:19:15 +0000 From: "Humbert, Joseph A" Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Message-ID: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FF41C@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Added the suggestions from Bill and Sean. Sean, The section below was suggested by Gaeir. I am not totally sure of her intent. Multiple suggestions have modified it over the course of this document's drafting process (today). Anyone have suggestion's for better language? Gaier? Page 7, 2nd paragraph: "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard." Not sure what is meant by this paragraph. Does it mean there are no standards related to captioning for different media formats? Does it mean that there is no standard method for playing captions? Does it mean there are no standards specific to identifying if the media is captioned? Accessibility data *is* included; it's just that it can exist differently for the same media format. I am unclear as to what ATHEN's intent is for this paragraph. Alterative link to document: http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc - Joe -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean J Keegan Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 1:48 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Hi Joe, Sorry for the delayed participation - I have been reprising the role of Florence Nightingale for my family. Comments: Page 6, 3rd paragraph: "Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop to desktop support the software is something that you downloaded for free, something that is by nature of acquisition your property." Sentence appears to be run-on. Suggest: "Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop-to-desktop support. The software you downloaded for free is, by nature of acquisition, your property." ******** Page 7, 2nd paragraph: "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard." Not sure what is meant by this paragraph. Does it mean there are no standards related to captioning for different media formats? Does it mean that there is no standard method for playing captions? Does it mean there are no standards specific to identifying if the media is captioned? Accessibility data *is* included; it's just that it can exist differently for the same media format. I am unclear as to what ATHEN's intent is for this paragraph. ******** Page 8, 1st paragraph: "ATHEN recommends that an advisory be included that defines a relative time frame for Alternate format delivery. For example, "equally effective" and "equable" to the nature of the information transmission, update and, storage (i.e. legacy documents, archived databases, and time-sensitive material should be available in an "equitable time sensitive manner".)" Suggest: Equable is generally defined as "not easily angered, even-tempered" or "calm and steady". Was "equitable" the intended word? ******** All my other issues (specific to the document) appear to be addressed in the latest version sent out by Joe. Looks like a solid document. Once this gets completed, I have a feeling that there will likely need to be another document from ATHEN/AHEAD providing guidance to educational institutions as to what the refresh actually means. Take care, Sean On 3/7/12 8:28 AM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > Hi Again, > > I have incorporated the suggestions from both Aaron and Patrick > (Thankx) and comments send directly to me from Terrill Thompson and > Bill Grubaugh. Please keep comments and suggestions coming. New > draft included > > Alterative link to document: > http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc > > - Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Burke [mailto:burke@ucla.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:00 AM > To: Humbert, Joseph A > Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update > > > * Hi Joe, > * Looking good!... > * One question, re this section (bottom of page 6): > * The Functional Success Criteria (Chapter 3) does not include any criteria specific to learning disabilities. We were unable to come up with a specific recommendation, but I'm capturing this here as a placeholder for further deliberation. > > Does this mean it requires further work by ATHEN, or by the Access Board? If meant as a task for regulators, I suggest changing to: > > "We were unable to formulate specific recommendations, but effects on populations with learning disabilities deserve further deliberation." > > Fun stuff! :) Thanks for tackling this, > > Patrick _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I saw this, and thought I might take a chance at adding some clarification... Gaeir proposed: > Page 7, 2nd paragraph: > "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard." I believe the main point of the example Gaeir provided is that when DVD technology was first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration. This lack of consideration led to multiple implementations of providing textual information on-screen by DVD technology manufacturers, resulting in ambiguity in both the names for these implementations (subtitles, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, captions, etc.) and the underlying technologies (Line-21 vs. all the digital captioning and subtitle formats we've seen). For the consumer, this resulted in uncertainty of exactly what is being provided when a DVD is labeled as being "captioned", "subtitled", or other. Bottom line: this is not referring to a deficiency of accessibility in the DVD standard, rather it is referring to the problems which can arise when accessibility is not taken into consideration during the design of electronic information. Hope that helps (and that I am interpreting correctly)- Jayme Johnson Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit From johumber at iupui.edu Wed Mar 7 12:11:47 2012 From: johumber at iupui.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update In-Reply-To: <4F57BF64.3090504@htctu.net> References: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213E9AE5@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <00c501ccfc01$a0416970$e0c43c50$@ahead.org> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213F5DC3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <201203071359.q27Dxi3r020482@mail.ucla.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FC7E3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <4F57AD69.2000709@stanford.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FF41C@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <4F57BF64.3090504@htctu.net> Message-ID: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75214002C9@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> Thankx Jayme. That will help me redraft the comment. - Joe -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Jayme Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:05 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Hello all, Gaeir is currently en route to another destination. I saw this, and thought I might take a chance at adding some clarification... Gaeir proposed: > Page 7, 2nd paragraph: > "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard." I believe the main point of the example Gaeir provided is that when DVD technology was first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration. This lack of consideration led to multiple implementations of providing textual information on-screen by DVD technology manufacturers, resulting in ambiguity in both the names for these implementations (subtitles, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, captions, etc.) and the underlying technologies (Line-21 vs. all the digital captioning and subtitle formats we've seen). For the consumer, this resulted in uncertainty of exactly what is being provided when a DVD is labeled as being "captioned", "subtitled", or other. Bottom line: this is not referring to a deficiency of accessibility in the DVD standard, rather it is referring to the problems which can arise when accessibility is not taken into consideration during the design of electronic information. Hope that helps (and that I am interpreting correctly)- Jayme Johnson Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From johumber at iupui.edu Wed Mar 7 12:31:23 2012 From: johumber at iupui.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update In-Reply-To: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75214002C9@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> References: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213E9AE5@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <00c501ccfc01$a0416970$e0c43c50$@ahead.org> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213F5DC3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <201203071359.q27Dxi3r020482@mail.ucla.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FC7E3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <4F57AD69.2000709@stanford.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FF41C@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <4F57BF64.3090504@htctu.net> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75214002C9@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B7521400803@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> I made changes based on Jayme's comments. Please keep the revisions (particularly grammar or spelling , which are not my strong suit) coming. Alterative link to document: http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc - Joe -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:12 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Thankx Jayme. That will help me redraft the comment. - Joe -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Jayme Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:05 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Hello all, Gaeir is currently en route to another destination. I saw this, and thought I might take a chance at adding some clarification... Gaeir proposed: > Page 7, 2nd paragraph: > "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard." I believe the main point of the example Gaeir provided is that when DVD technology was first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration. This lack of consideration led to multiple implementations of providing textual information on-screen by DVD technology manufacturers, resulting in ambiguity in both the names for these implementations (subtitles, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, captions, etc.) and the underlying technologies (Line-21 vs. all the digital captioning and subtitle formats we've seen). For the consumer, this resulted in uncertainty of exactly what is being provided when a DVD is labeled as being "captioned", "subtitled", or other. Bottom line: this is not referring to a deficiency of accessibility in the DVD standard, rather it is referring to the problems which can arise when accessibility is not taken into consideration during the design of electronic information. Hope that helps (and that I am interpreting correctly)- Jayme Johnson Web Accessibility Instructor High Tech Center Training Unit _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc Type: application/msword Size: 68096 bytes Desc: ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc URL: From skeegan at stanford.edu Wed Mar 7 12:33:16 2012 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean J Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update In-Reply-To: <4F57BF64.3090504@htctu.net> References: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213E9AE5@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <00c501ccfc01$a0416970$e0c43c50$@ahead.org> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213F5DC3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <201203071359.q27Dxi3r020482@mail.ucla.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FC7E3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <4F57AD69.2000709@stanford.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FF41C@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <4F57BF64.3090504@htctu.net> Message-ID: <4F57C60C.9000109@stanford.edu> Okay - that's what I thought was meant. The sentences "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included," and the concluding sentence "There is no standard" seemed to be speaking to a different issue (and I don't think we want to go down the road of specifying a technical standard). Suggested alternative: ******** "An advisory should be included noting that video projection systems may not include a captioning decoder and that without such a decoder, captions will not be displayed. For situations in which a video projection system does not include a captioning decoder, a separate decoder must be included in the audio-visual system in order for the caption information to be displayed. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not addressed resulting in various captioning formats, including Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. Even if DVD media included the appropriate accessibility data, it may not have been capable of presenting such information to the user due to limitations in the audio-visual playback system. ******** Thoughts? Take care, Sean On 3/7/12 12:04 PM, Jayme Johnson wrote: > Hello all, Gaeir is currently en route to another destination. I saw > this, and thought I might take a chance at adding some clarification... > > Gaeir proposed: >> Page 7, 2nd paragraph: >> "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is >> created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs >> were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and >> we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, >> subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There >> is no standard." > > I believe the main point of the example Gaeir provided is that when DVD > technology was first developed, captioning was not taken into > consideration. This lack of consideration led to multiple > implementations of providing textual information on-screen by DVD > technology manufacturers, resulting in ambiguity in both the names for > these implementations (subtitles, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of > Hearing, captions, etc.) and the underlying technologies (Line-21 vs. > all the digital captioning and subtitle formats we've seen). For the > consumer, this resulted in uncertainty of exactly what is being provided > when a DVD is labeled as being "captioned", "subtitled", or other. > > Bottom line: this is not referring to a deficiency of accessibility in > the DVD standard, rather it is referring to the problems which can arise > when accessibility is not taken into consideration during the design of > electronic information. > > Hope that helps (and that I am interpreting correctly)- > > Jayme Johnson > Web Accessibility Instructor > High Tech Center Training Unit > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Sean Keegan Associate Director, Assistive Technology Office of Accessible Education - Stanford University http://studentaffairs.stanford.edu/oae From johumber at iupui.edu Wed Mar 7 12:35:00 2012 From: johumber at iupui.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update In-Reply-To: <4F57C642.5080606@stanford.edu> References: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213E9AE5@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <00c501ccfc01$a0416970$e0c43c50$@ahead.org> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213F5DC3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <201203071359.q27Dxi3r020482@mail.ucla.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FC7E3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <4F57AD69.2000709@stanford.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FF41C@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <4F57BF64.3090504@htctu.net> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75214002C9@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B7521400803@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <4F57C642.5080606@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B752140093E@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> Inline: * An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be provided based on a specified standard. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration. This lack of consideration led to multiple implementations of providing textual information on-screen by DVD technology manufacturers, resulting in ambiguity in both the names for these implementations (subtitles, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, captions, etc.) and the underlying technologies (Line-21 vs. all the digital captioning and subtitle formats available). For the consumer, this resulted in uncertainty of exactly what is being provided when a DVD is labeled as being "captioned", "subtitled", or other. If the Access Board creates or references the above standard, the consumer of the media will have a clear idea of the accessibility data included on it. - Joe -----Original Message----- From: Sean J Keegan [mailto:skeegan@stanford.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:34 PM To: Humbert, Joseph A Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Just sent you a sample wording suggestion... sean On 3/7/12 12:31 PM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > I made changes based on Jayme's comments. Please keep the revisions (particularly grammar or spelling , which are not my strong suit) coming. > > Alterative link to document: > http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc > > - Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > Humbert, Joseph A > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:12 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update > > Thankx Jayme. That will help me redraft the comment. > > - Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > Jayme Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:05 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update > > Hello all, Gaeir is currently en route to another destination. I saw this, and thought I might take a chance at adding some clarification... > > Gaeir proposed: >> Page 7, 2nd paragraph: >> "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard." > > I believe the main point of the example Gaeir provided is that when DVD technology was first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration. This lack of consideration led to multiple implementations of providing textual information on-screen by DVD technology manufacturers, resulting in ambiguity in both the names for these implementations (subtitles, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, captions, etc.) and the underlying technologies (Line-21 vs. > all the digital captioning and subtitle formats we've seen). For the consumer, this resulted in uncertainty of exactly what is being provided when a DVD is labeled as being "captioned", "subtitled", or other. > > Bottom line: this is not referring to a deficiency of accessibility in the DVD standard, rather it is referring to the problems which can arise when accessibility is not taken into consideration during the design of electronic information. > > Hope that helps (and that I am interpreting correctly)- > > Jayme Johnson > Web Accessibility Instructor > High Tech Center Training Unit > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Sean Keegan Associate Director, Assistive Technology Office of Accessible Education - Stanford University http://studentaffairs.stanford.edu/oae From johumber at iupui.edu Wed Mar 7 12:48:12 2012 From: johumber at iupui.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update In-Reply-To: <4F57C60C.9000109@stanford.edu> References: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213E9AE5@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <00c501ccfc01$a0416970$e0c43c50$@ahead.org> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213F5DC3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <201203071359.q27Dxi3r020482@mail.ucla.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FC7E3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <4F57AD69.2000709@stanford.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FF41C@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <4F57BF64.3090504@htctu.net> <4F57C60C.9000109@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B7521400D68@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> Sean, how do you feel your suggestion compares to mine? Replace, combined, rewrite? An advisory should be included noting that many video projection systems do not include captioning decoders and that without decoders, captions cannot be shown unless there is a decoder somewhere else in the AV set-up. An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be provided based on a specified standard. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration. This lack of consideration led to multiple implementations of providing textual information on-screen by DVD technology manufacturers, resulting in ambiguity in both the names for these implementations (subtitles, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, captions, etc.) and the underlying technologies (Line-21 vs. all the digital captioning and subtitle formats available). For the consumer, this resulted in uncertainty of exactly what is being provided when a DVD is labeled as being "captioned", "subtitled", or other. If the Access Board creates or references the above standard, the consumer of the media will have a clear idea of the accessibility data included on it. - Joe -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean J Keegan Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:33 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Okay - that's what I thought was meant. The sentences "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included," and the concluding sentence "There is no standard" seemed to be speaking to a different issue (and I don't think we want to go down the road of specifying a technical standard). Suggested alternative: ******** "An advisory should be included noting that video projection systems may not include a captioning decoder and that without such a decoder, captions will not be displayed. For situations in which a video projection system does not include a captioning decoder, a separate decoder must be included in the audio-visual system in order for the caption information to be displayed. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not addressed resulting in various captioning formats, including Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. Even if DVD media included the appropriate accessibility data, it may not have been capable of presenting such information to the user due to limitations in the audio-visual playback system. ******** Thoughts? Take care, Sean On 3/7/12 12:04 PM, Jayme Johnson wrote: > Hello all, Gaeir is currently en route to another destination. I saw > this, and thought I might take a chance at adding some clarification... > > Gaeir proposed: >> Page 7, 2nd paragraph: >> "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is >> created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs >> were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, >> and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, >> subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. >> There is no standard." > > I believe the main point of the example Gaeir provided is that when > DVD technology was first developed, captioning was not taken into > consideration. This lack of consideration led to multiple > implementations of providing textual information on-screen by DVD > technology manufacturers, resulting in ambiguity in both the names for > these implementations (subtitles, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of > Hearing, captions, etc.) and the underlying technologies (Line-21 vs. > all the digital captioning and subtitle formats we've seen). For the > consumer, this resulted in uncertainty of exactly what is being > provided when a DVD is labeled as being "captioned", "subtitled", or other. > > Bottom line: this is not referring to a deficiency of accessibility in > the DVD standard, rather it is referring to the problems which can > arise when accessibility is not taken into consideration during the > design of electronic information. > > Hope that helps (and that I am interpreting correctly)- > > Jayme Johnson > Web Accessibility Instructor > High Tech Center Training Unit > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Sean Keegan Associate Director, Assistive Technology Office of Accessible Education - Stanford University http://studentaffairs.stanford.edu/oae _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From skeegan at stanford.edu Wed Mar 7 13:38:59 2012 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean J Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update In-Reply-To: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B7521400D68@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> References: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213E9AE5@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <00c501ccfc01$a0416970$e0c43c50$@ahead.org> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213F5DC3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <201203071359.q27Dxi3r020482@mail.ucla.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FC7E3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <4F57AD69.2000709@stanford.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FF41C@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <4F57BF64.3090504@htctu.net> <4F57C60C.9000109@stanford.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B7521400D68@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <4F57D573.3060107@stanford.edu> The 404 and 404.1 checkpoints require a functional outcome (i.e., a success criterion) - that being, that ICT shall not remove non-proprietary information provided for accessibility or restore it upon delivery. The way I interpret the 404 checkpoints is that it really doesn't matter what technical method is used to provide accessibility data in media, just make sure that the relevant ICT does not remove it (or, if appropriate, restores it). I think it is beyond the scope of these checkpoints to make recommendations regarding new media creation and requiring accessibility data to be included in such content. That language is already in place in other locations in the 508 standard. I think we run into dangerous ground by recommending a specific technology standard, or by requesting such a standard, as that could result in limitations to future technology implementations (what happens when someone comes up with a better standard?). With respect to an advisory note, I think we do best if we can focus on the need for a functional outcome and to include the "advice" as to considerations if using such technology. I do realize that there is confusion amongst consumers regarding the identification of either captioned vs. subtitles vs. subtitled for the deaf and hard-of-hearing, but I am not sure if this is the most appropriate place to resolve that issue. Additionally, as long as the accessibility information is not being removed (and it conforms to checkpoints 409.1.1 and 409.1.2), then do we need technical standards for presenting such accessibility data? So, I would keep it brief - perhaps just use the first paragraph? "An advisory should be included noting that video projection systems may not include a captioning decoder and that without such a decoder, captions will not be displayed. For situations in which a video projection system does not include a captioning decoder, a separate decoder must be included in the audio-visual system in order for the caption information to be displayed." Perhaps I am just beating a dead horse at this point? take care, sean On 3/7/12 12:48 PM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > Sean, how do you feel your suggestion compares to mine? Replace, combined, rewrite? > > An advisory should be included noting that many video projection systems do not include captioning decoders and that without decoders, captions cannot be shown unless there is a decoder somewhere else in the AV set-up. > > An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be provided based on a specified standard. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration. This lack of consideration led to multiple implementations of providing textual information on-screen by DVD technology manufacturers, resulting in ambiguity in both the names for these implementations (subtitles, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, captions, etc.) and the underlying technologies (Line-21 vs. all the digital captioning and subtitle formats available). For the consumer, this resulted in uncertainty of exactly what is being provided when a DVD is labeled as being "captioned", "subtitled", or other. If the Access Board creates or references the above standard, the consumer of the media will have a clear idea of the accessibility data included on it. > > - Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean J Keegan > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:33 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update > > Okay - that's what I thought was meant. The sentences "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included," and the concluding sentence "There is no standard" seemed to be speaking to a different issue (and I don't think we want to go down the road of specifying a technical standard). > > Suggested alternative: > ******** > "An advisory should be included noting that video projection systems may not include a captioning decoder and that without such a decoder, captions will not be displayed. For situations in which a video projection system does not include a captioning decoder, a separate decoder must be included in the audio-visual system in order for the caption information to be displayed. > > For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not addressed resulting in various captioning formats, including Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. Even if DVD media included the appropriate accessibility data, it may not have been capable of presenting such information to the user due to limitations in the audio-visual playback system. > > ******** > > Thoughts? > > Take care, > Sean > From hunziker at email.arizona.edu Wed Mar 7 14:07:48 2012 From: hunziker at email.arizona.edu (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update In-Reply-To: <4F57D573.3060107@stanford.edu> References: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213E9AE5@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <00c501ccfc01$a0416970$e0c43c50$@ahead.org> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213F5DC3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <201203071359.q27Dxi3r020482@mail.ucla.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FC7E3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <4F57AD69.2000709@stanford.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FF41C@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <4F57BF64.3090504@htctu.net> <4F57C60C.9000109@stanford.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B7521400D68@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <4F57D573.3060107@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <4E9F2CF9FA1DA0479F02A1219FE22563023A67D500@VA3DIAXVS4B1.RED001.local> Hi all, I too am sorry for jumping in so late - "sick" season has arrived late and unfortunately hit me this year. Anyway, I think Sean makes a good point about recommending specific technology standards and keeping to just the first paragraph. Sean - For clarification, were you talking about just getting rid of that middle paragraph thus keeping the paragraph about DRM? Joe - I'm attaching another version where I added some grammar suggestions. Overall, I think the document is nicely written! ~~ Dawn Hunziker Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center 520-626-9409 hunziker@email.arizona.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean J Keegan Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 2:39 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update The 404 and 404.1 checkpoints require a functional outcome (i.e., a success criterion) - that being, that ICT shall not remove non-proprietary information provided for accessibility or restore it upon delivery. The way I interpret the 404 checkpoints is that it really doesn't matter what technical method is used to provide accessibility data in media, just make sure that the relevant ICT does not remove it (or, if appropriate, restores it). I think it is beyond the scope of these checkpoints to make recommendations regarding new media creation and requiring accessibility data to be included in such content. That language is already in place in other locations in the 508 standard. I think we run into dangerous ground by recommending a specific technology standard, or by requesting such a standard, as that could result in limitations to future technology implementations (what happens when someone comes up with a better standard?). With respect to an advisory note, I think we do best if we can focus on the need for a functional outcome and to include the "advice" as to considerations if using such technology. I do realize that there is confusion amongst consumers regarding the identification of either captioned vs. subtitles vs. subtitled for the deaf and hard-of-hearing, but I am not sure if this is the most appropriate place to resolve that issue. Additionally, as long as the accessibility information is not being removed (and it conforms to checkpoints 409.1.1 and 409.1.2), then do we need technical standards for presenting such accessibility data? So, I would keep it brief - perhaps just use the first paragraph? "An advisory should be included noting that video projection systems may not include a captioning decoder and that without such a decoder, captions will not be displayed. For situations in which a video projection system does not include a captioning decoder, a separate decoder must be included in the audio-visual system in order for the caption information to be displayed." Perhaps I am just beating a dead horse at this point? take care, sean On 3/7/12 12:48 PM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > Sean, how do you feel your suggestion compares to mine? Replace, combined, rewrite? > > An advisory should be included noting that many video projection systems do not include captioning decoders and that without decoders, captions cannot be shown unless there is a decoder somewhere else in the AV set-up. > > An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be provided based on a specified standard. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration. This lack of consideration led to multiple implementations of providing textual information on-screen by DVD technology manufacturers, resulting in ambiguity in both the names for these implementations (subtitles, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, captions, etc.) and the underlying technologies (Line-21 vs. all the digital captioning and subtitle formats available). For the consumer, this resulted in uncertainty of exactly what is being provided when a DVD is labeled as being "captioned", "subtitled", or other. If the Access Board creates or references the above standard, the consumer of the media will have a clear idea of the accessibility data included on it. > > - Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > Sean J Keegan > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:33 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update > > Okay - that's what I thought was meant. The sentences "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included," and the concluding sentence "There is no standard" seemed to be speaking to a different issue (and I don't think we want to go down the road of specifying a technical standard). > > Suggested alternative: > ******** > "An advisory should be included noting that video projection systems may not include a captioning decoder and that without such a decoder, captions will not be displayed. For situations in which a video projection system does not include a captioning decoder, a separate decoder must be included in the audio-visual system in order for the caption information to be displayed. > > For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not addressed resulting in various captioning formats, including Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. Even if DVD media included the appropriate accessibility data, it may not have been capable of presenting such information to the user due to limitations in the audio-visual playback system. > > ******** > > Thoughts? > > Take care, > Sean > _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Yes - keep the first and last paragraph and remove the middle. The DRM content appears very relevant to that section. Take care, Sean On 3/7/12 2:07 PM, Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker) wrote: > Hi all, > > I too am sorry for jumping in so late - "sick" season has arrived late and unfortunately hit me this year. > > Anyway, I think Sean makes a good point about recommending specific technology standards and keeping to just the first paragraph. Sean - For clarification, were you talking about just getting rid of that middle paragraph thus keeping the paragraph about DRM? > > Joe - I'm attaching another version where I added some grammar suggestions. Overall, I think the document is nicely written! > > ~~ > Dawn Hunziker > Assistive Technology Coordinator > > Disability Resource Center > 520-626-9409 > hunziker@email.arizona.edu > From grubaugh at sfsu.edu Wed Mar 7 16:06:48 2012 From: grubaugh at sfsu.edu (Bill Grubaugh) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: athen-list Digest, Vol 74, Issue 14 BG Edit %0* Responce Final Message-ID: OK this is pushing the limit Pacific Standard time and Eastern Standard Time. Noticed my citation error. Chapter 2 Scoping last paragraph and citation. Rewrite inline and also corrected in attached draft submitted in Issue 14. In addition to using 'people first language' the word free, as applied to 'freeware', updates and extends the example provided in the Section508.gov document; Acquisition of E&IT Under Section 508 Q&A, Section B Key Terms, B2i and B2ii; "seat management" service contracts (1). (1). Acquisition of E&IT Under Section 508 Rehabilitation Act Q&A 2001-2009). URL retrieved from the Web, 03/07/2012: https://www.section508.gov/docs/Section%20508%20Frequently%20Asked%20Questions.doc the living end! 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RE: ATHEN's response to the section 508 update (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:07:48 -0800 From: "Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)" Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Message-ID: <4E9F2CF9FA1DA0479F02A1219FE22563023A67D500@VA3DIAXVS4B1.RED001.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I too am sorry for jumping in so late - "sick" season has arrived late and unfortunately hit me this year. Anyway, I think Sean makes a good point about recommending specific technology standards and keeping to just the first paragraph. Sean - For clarification, were you talking about just getting rid of that middle paragraph thus keeping the paragraph about DRM? Joe - I'm attaching another version where I added some grammar suggestions. Overall, I think the document is nicely written! ~~ Dawn Hunziker Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center 520-626-9409 hunziker@email.arizona.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean J Keegan Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 2:39 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update The 404 and 404.1 checkpoints require a functional outcome (i.e., a success criterion) - that being, that ICT shall not remove non-proprietary information provided for accessibility or restore it upon delivery. The way I interpret the 404 checkpoints is that it really doesn't matter what technical method is used to provide accessibility data in media, just make sure that the relevant ICT does not remove it (or, if appropriate, restores it). I think it is beyond the scope of these checkpoints to make recommendations regarding new media creation and requiring accessibility data to be included in such content. That language is already in place in other locations in the 508 standard. I think we run into dangerous ground by recommending a specific technology standard, or by requesting such a standard, as that could result in limitations to future technology implementations (what happens when someone comes up with a better standard?). With respect to an advisory note, I think we do best if we can focus on the need for a functional outcome and to include the "advice" as to considerations if using such technology. I do realize that there is confusion amongst consumers regarding the identification of either captioned vs. subtitles vs. subtitled for the deaf and hard-of-hearing, but I am not sure if this is the most appropriate place to resolve that issue. Additionally, as long as the accessibility information is not being removed (and it conforms to checkpoints 409.1.1 and 409.1.2), then do we need technical standards for presenting such accessibility data? So, I would keep it brief - perhaps just use the first paragraph? "An advisory should be included noting that video projection systems may not include a captioning decoder and that without such a decoder, captions will not be displayed. For situations in which a video projection system does not include a captioning decoder, a separate decoder must be included in the audio-visual system in order for the caption information to be displayed." Perhaps I am just beating a dead horse at this point? take care, sean On 3/7/12 12:48 PM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > Sean, how do you feel your suggestion compares to mine? Replace, combined, rewrite? > > An advisory should be included noting that many video projection systems do not include captioning decoders and that without decoders, captions cannot be shown unless there is a decoder somewhere else in the AV set-up. > > An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be provided based on a specified standard. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration. This lack of consideration led to multiple implementations of providing textual information on-screen by DVD technology manufacturers, resulting in ambiguity in both the names for these implementations (subtitles, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, captions, etc.) and the underlying technologies (Line-21 vs. all the digital captioning and subtitle formats available). For the consumer, this resulted in uncertainty of exactly what is being provided when a DVD is labeled as being "captioned", "subtitled", or other. If the Access Board creates or references the above standard, the consumer of the media will have a clear idea of the accessibility data included on it. > > - Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > Sean J Keegan > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:33 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update > > Okay - that's what I thought was meant. The sentences "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included," and the concluding sentence "There is no standard" seemed to be speaking to a different issue (and I don't think we want to go down the road of specifying a technical standard). > > Suggested alternative: > ******** > "An advisory should be included noting that video projection systems may not include a captioning decoder and that without such a decoder, captions will not be displayed. For situations in which a video projection system does not include a captioning decoder, a separate decoder must be included in the audio-visual system in order for the caption information to be displayed. > > For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not addressed resulting in various captioning formats, including Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. Even if DVD media included the appropriate accessibility data, it may not have been capable of presenting such information to the user due to limitations in the audio-visual playback system. > > ******** > > Thoughts? > > Take care, > Sean > _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ ________________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Bill Grubaugh [grubaugh@sfsu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 7:06 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] RE: athen-list Digest, Vol 74, Issue 14 BG Edit %0* Responce Final OK this is pushing the limit Pacific Standard time and Eastern Standard Time. Noticed my citation error. Chapter 2 Scoping last paragraph and citation. Rewrite inline and also corrected in attached draft submitted in Issue 14. In addition to using 'people first language' the word free, as applied to 'freeware', updates and extends the example provided in the Section508.gov document; Acquisition of E&IT Under Section 508 Q&A, Section B Key Terms, B2i and B2ii; "seat management" service contracts (1). (1). Acquisition of E&IT Under Section 508 Rehabilitation Act Q&A 2001-2009). URL retrieved from the Web, 03/07/2012: https://www.section508.gov/docs/Section%20508%20Frequently%20Asked%20Questions.doc the living end! Bill ________________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] on behalf of athen-list-request@mailman1.u.washington.edu [athen-list-request@mailman1.u.washington.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 2:08 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 74, Issue 14 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman1.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman1.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: ATHEN's response to the section 508 update (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:07:48 -0800 From: "Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)" Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Message-ID: <4E9F2CF9FA1DA0479F02A1219FE22563023A67D500@VA3DIAXVS4B1.RED001.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I too am sorry for jumping in so late - "sick" season has arrived late and unfortunately hit me this year. Anyway, I think Sean makes a good point about recommending specific technology standards and keeping to just the first paragraph. Sean - For clarification, were you talking about just getting rid of that middle paragraph thus keeping the paragraph about DRM? Joe - I'm attaching another version where I added some grammar suggestions. Overall, I think the document is nicely written! ~~ Dawn Hunziker Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center 520-626-9409 hunziker@email.arizona.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean J Keegan Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 2:39 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update The 404 and 404.1 checkpoints require a functional outcome (i.e., a success criterion) - that being, that ICT shall not remove non-proprietary information provided for accessibility or restore it upon delivery. The way I interpret the 404 checkpoints is that it really doesn't matter what technical method is used to provide accessibility data in media, just make sure that the relevant ICT does not remove it (or, if appropriate, restores it). I think it is beyond the scope of these checkpoints to make recommendations regarding new media creation and requiring accessibility data to be included in such content. That language is already in place in other locations in the 508 standard. I think we run into dangerous ground by recommending a specific technology standard, or by requesting such a standard, as that could result in limitations to future technology implementations (what happens when someone comes up with a better standard?). With respect to an advisory note, I think we do best if we can focus on the need for a functional outcome and to include the "advice" as to considerations if using such technology. I do realize that there is confusion amongst consumers regarding the identification of either captioned vs. subtitles vs. subtitled for the deaf and hard-of-hearing, but I am not sure if this is the most appropriate place to resolve that issue. Additionally, as long as the accessibility information is not being removed (and it conforms to checkpoints 409.1.1 and 409.1.2), then do we need technical standards for presenting such accessibility data? So, I would keep it brief - perhaps just use the first paragraph? "An advisory should be included noting that video projection systems may not include a captioning decoder and that without such a decoder, captions will not be displayed. For situations in which a video projection system does not include a captioning decoder, a separate decoder must be included in the audio-visual system in order for the caption information to be displayed." Perhaps I am just beating a dead horse at this point? take care, sean On 3/7/12 12:48 PM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > Sean, how do you feel your suggestion compares to mine? Replace, combined, rewrite? > > An advisory should be included noting that many video projection systems do not include captioning decoders and that without decoders, captions cannot be shown unless there is a decoder somewhere else in the AV set-up. > > An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be provided based on a specified standard. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration. This lack of consideration led to multiple implementations of providing textual information on-screen by DVD technology manufacturers, resulting in ambiguity in both the names for these implementations (subtitles, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, captions, etc.) and the underlying technologies (Line-21 vs. all the digital captioning and subtitle formats available). For the consumer, this resulted in uncertainty of exactly what is being provided when a DVD is labeled as being "captioned", "subtitled", or other. If the Access Board creates or references the above standard, the consumer of the media will have a clear idea of the accessibility data included on it. > > - Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > Sean J Keegan > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:33 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update > > Okay - that's what I thought was meant. The sentences "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included," and the concluding sentence "There is no standard" seemed to be speaking to a different issue (and I don't think we want to go down the road of specifying a technical standard). > > Suggested alternative: > ******** > "An advisory should be included noting that video projection systems may not include a captioning decoder and that without such a decoder, captions will not be displayed. For situations in which a video projection system does not include a captioning decoder, a separate decoder must be included in the audio-visual system in order for the caption information to be displayed. > > For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not addressed resulting in various captioning formats, including Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. Even if DVD media included the appropriate accessibility data, it may not have been capable of presenting such information to the user due to limitations in the audio-visual playback system. > > ******** > > Thoughts? > > Take care, > Sean > _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm calling time. I need to make final edits, one more proofing run and submit before the deadline. Thankx to all those that helped with this effort. It will get posted to the ATHEN web site as well. Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ ________________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Bill Grubaugh [grubaugh@sfsu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 7:06 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] RE: athen-list Digest, Vol 74, Issue 14 BG Edit %0* Responce Final OK this is pushing the limit Pacific Standard time and Eastern Standard Time. Noticed my citation error. Chapter 2 Scoping last paragraph and citation. Rewrite inline and also corrected in attached draft submitted in Issue 14. In addition to using 'people first language' the word free, as applied to 'freeware', updates and extends the example provided in the Section508.gov document; Acquisition of E&IT Under Section 508 Q&A, Section B Key Terms, B2i and B2ii; "seat management" service contracts (1). (1). Acquisition of E&IT Under Section 508 Rehabilitation Act Q&A 2001-2009). URL retrieved from the Web, 03/07/2012: https://www.section508.gov/docs/Section%20508%20Frequently%20Asked%20Questio ns.doc the living end! Bill ________________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] on behalf of athen-list-request@mailman1.u.washington.edu [athen-list-request@mailman1.u.washington.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 2:08 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 74, Issue 14 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman1.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman1.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: ATHEN's response to the section 508 update (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:07:48 -0800 From: "Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)" Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Message-ID: <4E9F2CF9FA1DA0479F02A1219FE22563023A67D500@VA3DIAXVS4B1.RED001.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I too am sorry for jumping in so late - "sick" season has arrived late and unfortunately hit me this year. Anyway, I think Sean makes a good point about recommending specific technology standards and keeping to just the first paragraph. Sean - For clarification, were you talking about just getting rid of that middle paragraph thus keeping the paragraph about DRM? Joe - I'm attaching another version where I added some grammar suggestions. Overall, I think the document is nicely written! ~~ Dawn Hunziker Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center 520-626-9409 hunziker@email.arizona.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean J Keegan Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 2:39 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update The 404 and 404.1 checkpoints require a functional outcome (i.e., a success criterion) - that being, that ICT shall not remove non-proprietary information provided for accessibility or restore it upon delivery. The way I interpret the 404 checkpoints is that it really doesn't matter what technical method is used to provide accessibility data in media, just make sure that the relevant ICT does not remove it (or, if appropriate, restores it). I think it is beyond the scope of these checkpoints to make recommendations regarding new media creation and requiring accessibility data to be included in such content. That language is already in place in other locations in the 508 standard. I think we run into dangerous ground by recommending a specific technology standard, or by requesting such a standard, as that could result in limitations to future technology implementations (what happens when someone comes up with a better standard?). With respect to an advisory note, I think we do best if we can focus on the need for a functional outcome and to include the "advice" as to considerations if using such technology. I do realize that there is confusion amongst consumers regarding the identification of either captioned vs. subtitles vs. subtitled for the deaf and hard-of-hearing, but I am not sure if this is the most appropriate place to resolve that issue. Additionally, as long as the accessibility information is not being removed (and it conforms to checkpoints 409.1.1 and 409.1.2), then do we need technical standards for presenting such accessibility data? So, I would keep it brief - perhaps just use the first paragraph? "An advisory should be included noting that video projection systems may not include a captioning decoder and that without such a decoder, captions will not be displayed. For situations in which a video projection system does not include a captioning decoder, a separate decoder must be included in the audio-visual system in order for the caption information to be displayed." Perhaps I am just beating a dead horse at this point? take care, sean On 3/7/12 12:48 PM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > Sean, how do you feel your suggestion compares to mine? Replace, combined, rewrite? > > An advisory should be included noting that many video projection systems do not include captioning decoders and that without decoders, captions cannot be shown unless there is a decoder somewhere else in the AV set-up. > > An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be provided based on a specified standard. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration. This lack of consideration led to multiple implementations of providing textual information on-screen by DVD technology manufacturers, resulting in ambiguity in both the names for these implementations (subtitles, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, captions, etc.) and the underlying technologies (Line-21 vs. all the digital captioning and subtitle formats available). For the consumer, this resulted in uncertainty of exactly what is being provided when a DVD is labeled as being "captioned", "subtitled", or other. If the Access Board creates or references the above standard, the consumer of the media will have a clear idea of the accessibility data included on it. > > - Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > Sean J Keegan > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:33 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update > > Okay - that's what I thought was meant. The sentences "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included," and the concluding sentence "There is no standard" seemed to be speaking to a different issue (and I don't think we want to go down the road of specifying a technical standard). > > Suggested alternative: > ******** > "An advisory should be included noting that video projection systems may not include a captioning decoder and that without such a decoder, captions will not be displayed. For situations in which a video projection system does not include a captioning decoder, a separate decoder must be included in the audio-visual system in order for the caption information to be displayed. > > For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not addressed resulting in various captioning formats, including Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. Even if DVD media included the appropriate accessibility data, it may not have been capable of presenting such information to the user due to limitations in the audio-visual playback system. > > ******** > > Thoughts? > > Take care, > Sean > _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alternative link to document: http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM_03-07-2012.doc Sean, can you post this on the ATHEN web site in HTML and word form? - Joe ________________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Ron Stewart [ron@ahead.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:20 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] RE: athen-list Digest, Vol 74, Issue 14 BG Edit %0* Responce Final Thanks all for some very good work Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 5:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] RE: athen-list Digest, Vol 74, Issue 14 BG Edit %0* Responce Final OK folks. I'm calling time. I need to make final edits, one more proofing run and submit before the deadline. Thankx to all those that helped with this effort. It will get posted to the ATHEN web site as well. Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ ________________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Bill Grubaugh [grubaugh@sfsu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 7:06 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] RE: athen-list Digest, Vol 74, Issue 14 BG Edit %0* Responce Final OK this is pushing the limit Pacific Standard time and Eastern Standard Time. Noticed my citation error. Chapter 2 Scoping last paragraph and citation. Rewrite inline and also corrected in attached draft submitted in Issue 14. In addition to using 'people first language' the word free, as applied to 'freeware', updates and extends the example provided in the Section508.gov document; Acquisition of E&IT Under Section 508 Q&A, Section B Key Terms, B2i and B2ii; "seat management" service contracts (1). (1). Acquisition of E&IT Under Section 508 Rehabilitation Act Q&A 2001-2009). URL retrieved from the Web, 03/07/2012: https://www.section508.gov/docs/Section%20508%20Frequently%20Asked%20Questio ns.doc the living end! Bill ________________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] on behalf of athen-list-request@mailman1.u.washington.edu [athen-list-request@mailman1.u.washington.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 2:08 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 74, Issue 14 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman1.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman1.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: ATHEN's response to the section 508 update (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:07:48 -0800 From: "Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)" Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Message-ID: <4E9F2CF9FA1DA0479F02A1219FE22563023A67D500@VA3DIAXVS4B1.RED001.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I too am sorry for jumping in so late - "sick" season has arrived late and unfortunately hit me this year. Anyway, I think Sean makes a good point about recommending specific technology standards and keeping to just the first paragraph. Sean - For clarification, were you talking about just getting rid of that middle paragraph thus keeping the paragraph about DRM? Joe - I'm attaching another version where I added some grammar suggestions. Overall, I think the document is nicely written! ~~ Dawn Hunziker Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center 520-626-9409 hunziker@email.arizona.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean J Keegan Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 2:39 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update The 404 and 404.1 checkpoints require a functional outcome (i.e., a success criterion) - that being, that ICT shall not remove non-proprietary information provided for accessibility or restore it upon delivery. The way I interpret the 404 checkpoints is that it really doesn't matter what technical method is used to provide accessibility data in media, just make sure that the relevant ICT does not remove it (or, if appropriate, restores it). I think it is beyond the scope of these checkpoints to make recommendations regarding new media creation and requiring accessibility data to be included in such content. That language is already in place in other locations in the 508 standard. I think we run into dangerous ground by recommending a specific technology standard, or by requesting such a standard, as that could result in limitations to future technology implementations (what happens when someone comes up with a better standard?). With respect to an advisory note, I think we do best if we can focus on the need for a functional outcome and to include the "advice" as to considerations if using such technology. I do realize that there is confusion amongst consumers regarding the identification of either captioned vs. subtitles vs. subtitled for the deaf and hard-of-hearing, but I am not sure if this is the most appropriate place to resolve that issue. Additionally, as long as the accessibility information is not being removed (and it conforms to checkpoints 409.1.1 and 409.1.2), then do we need technical standards for presenting such accessibility data? So, I would keep it brief - perhaps just use the first paragraph? "An advisory should be included noting that video projection systems may not include a captioning decoder and that without such a decoder, captions will not be displayed. For situations in which a video projection system does not include a captioning decoder, a separate decoder must be included in the audio-visual system in order for the caption information to be displayed." Perhaps I am just beating a dead horse at this point? take care, sean On 3/7/12 12:48 PM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > Sean, how do you feel your suggestion compares to mine? Replace, combined, rewrite? > > An advisory should be included noting that many video projection systems do not include captioning decoders and that without decoders, captions cannot be shown unless there is a decoder somewhere else in the AV set-up. > > An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be provided based on a specified standard. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration. This lack of consideration led to multiple implementations of providing textual information on-screen by DVD technology manufacturers, resulting in ambiguity in both the names for these implementations (subtitles, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, captions, etc.) and the underlying technologies (Line-21 vs. all the digital captioning and subtitle formats available). For the consumer, this resulted in uncertainty of exactly what is being provided when a DVD is labeled as being "captioned", "subtitled", or other. If the Access Board creates or references the above standard, the consumer of the media will have a clear idea of the accessibility data included on it. > > - Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > Sean J Keegan > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:33 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update > > Okay - that's what I thought was meant. The sentences "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included," and the concluding sentence "There is no standard" seemed to be speaking to a different issue (and I don't think we want to go down the road of specifying a technical standard). > > Suggested alternative: > ******** > "An advisory should be included noting that video projection systems may not include a captioning decoder and that without such a decoder, captions will not be displayed. For situations in which a video projection system does not include a captioning decoder, a separate decoder must be included in the audio-visual system in order for the caption information to be displayed. > > For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not addressed resulting in various captioning formats, including Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. Even if DVD media included the appropriate accessibility data, it may not have been capable of presenting such information to the user due to limitations in the audio-visual playback system. > > ******** > > Thoughts? > > Take care, > Sean > _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thankx Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Teresa.Haven at asu.edu Thu Mar 8 06:39:05 2012 From: Teresa.Haven at asu.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Is a transcript considered an acceptable alternative for an uncaptioned video In-Reply-To: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B752140BF28@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> References: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B752140BF28@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <41DBE0E04D07504A86D68558FE7BAB6B097739@exmbt02.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Hi, Joe. To me there's no single answer to that question. If the video were, say, of a "talking head" lecture with no other interactive content (writing on the board, illustrative images, etc.) then a transcript might be acceptable. If, however, the video incorporates imagery that needs to be synced with the audio (explanation of the workings of a math problem, for example) then a transcript alone would not be acceptable. Hope this helps, Teresa ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. Supervisor, Alternative Format Services Disability Resource Center Arizona State University ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:29 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Is a transcript considered an acceptable alternative for an uncaptioned video Hi all, I would like your opinion: Is a transcript considered an acceptable alternative for an uncaptioned video? I'm not going to get into the details of why I am bringing up this issue, I would just like people's feedback. Thankx Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From PLester at admin.fsu.edu Thu Mar 8 07:50:31 2012 From: PLester at admin.fsu.edu (Lester, Patti) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Rave Guardian System - accessibility issues? Message-ID: <9660B13B9DFB2D4291E23B4CEA2E092E064D7F@fsu-exch-nwr02.fsu.edu> Dear Colleagues, The police department at Florida State University is considering adopting the RAVE Guardian System and I am wondering if any one of you have had experience using this software and what your thoughts are in terms of the its level of compliance and what if any access issues came up using JAWS, Dragon, and Magic. This is how I am told it works: "In the event of a 911 call from a registered phone, information provided by the University and/or a person themselves and stored by RAVE will be displayed at the police department dispatch station. The system is made up of a series of web pages to collect this information and a series of functions that can be instigated from a phone. The University will prepopulate basic information for each person. Students and employees can add additional information via an interface" Thanks for the feedback. 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URL: From JElmer at vcccd.edu Thu Mar 8 08:11:49 2012 From: JElmer at vcccd.edu (John Elmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Is a transcript considered an acceptable alternative for an uncaptioned video In-Reply-To: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B752140BF28@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> References: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B752140BF28@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: Short answer: No it is not. Neither is having an interpreter. From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 6:29 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Is a transcript considered an acceptable alternative for an uncaptioned video Hi all, I would like your opinion: Is a transcript considered an acceptable alternative for an uncaptioned video? I'm not going to get into the details of why I am bringing up this issue, I would just like people's feedback. Thankx Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roberte at uci.edu Thu Mar 8 08:18:57 2012 From: roberte at uci.edu (Robert Espero) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps In-Reply-To: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A538072486E79225@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> References: <1E77D7FA-3323-4A67-BBE7-1008F07B9EF3@mesacc.edu> <3acb543b-5fe9-4871-b8e1-c73f2e28304a@mailstore1.mesacc.edu> <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A538072486E79225@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <018301ccfd47$2a347cd0$7e9d7670$@uci.edu> Sue, I was at CSUN in San Diego last week where I sat in a session regarding Google Accessibility with the NFB. Hadi was in there and was very adamant that it was not accessible. I have not had the opportunity to read his report so I was wondering if you could forward the URL so I can become more aware of the issues Google Apps/Docs present. Thanks, Robert P.S. UC Irvine has done a ?soft? deployment of Google Apps in light of numerous notifications of its inaccessibility by me and other colleagues. I?m hoping his report can provide some information for me to present to our computing department and Vice Chancellor. Robert Espero AT/IT Coordinator Disability Services Center UC Irvine From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 3:44 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Read Hadi and Joe?s report? Not accessible. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Hi all, Our college district has adopted Google Apps for Education (email & calendaring). Any warnings, tips or tricks you might have that I could pass along to our district IT folks in advance regarding known accessibility issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Wink -- Ms. Wink Harner Project Support Mesa Community College 1833 W. Southern Avenue Mesa AZ 85201 winkharner@mesacc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johumber at iupui.edu Thu Mar 8 08:20:07 2012 From: johumber at iupui.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Is a transcript considered an acceptable alternative for an uncaptioned video In-Reply-To: References: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B752140BF28@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B752140DD40@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> Thankx all, According to the Access board it is not: Paragraph (b) provides that equivalent alternatives for any multimedia presentation shall be synchronized with the presentation. This would require, for example, that if an audio portion of a multi-media production was captioned as required in paragraph (a), the captioning must be synchronized with the audio. (See ?1194.23(c)(12) and (e)(3) in the NPRM.) Comment. Comments from organizations representing persons who are deaf or hard of hearing strongly supported this provision. One commenter from the technology industry raised a concern that this provision would require all live speeches broadcast on the Internet by a Federal agency to be captioned. The commenter noted that an alternative might be to provide a transcript of the speech which could be saved, reviewed, and searched. Response. This provision uses language that is not substantively different than the WCAG 1.0 and was supported in the WAI comments to the proposed rule. There are new techniques for providing realtime captioning which are supported by new versions of programs like RealAudio. Providing captioning does not preclude posting a transcript of the speech for people to search or download. However, commenters preferred the realtime captioning over the delay in providing a transcript. No substantive changes have been made to this provision in the final rule. Reference : http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/preamble.htm I'm going to stick with that as my reasoning. - Joe From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of John Elmer Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:12 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Is a transcript considered an acceptable alternative for an uncaptioned video Short answer: No it is not. Neither is having an interpreter. From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 6:29 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Is a transcript considered an acceptable alternative for an uncaptioned video Hi all, I would like your opinion: Is a transcript considered an acceptable alternative for an uncaptioned video? I'm not going to get into the details of why I am bringing up this issue, I would just like people's feedback. Thankx Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Teresa.Haven at asu.edu Thu Mar 8 08:25:48 2012 From: Teresa.Haven at asu.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Is a transcript considered an acceptable alternative for an uncaptioned video In-Reply-To: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B752140DD40@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> References: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B752140BF28@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B752140DD40@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <41DBE0E04D07504A86D68558FE7BAB6B097BD0@exmbt02.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Thanks, Joe. I'll amend my earlier comments to include that I was thinking of "canned" content in response to your question, not live content. What struck me particularly was some current (though dying) methods of teaching at my own institution: there are faculty who literally record themselves talking, with nothing else going on, and students are expected to play those recordings back at a later time to get "the lecture". In those isolated cases, I don't perceive a transcript as a bad thing, although I know ultimately captions AND a transcript would be better for serving all end users. For any other situation, though, I agree completely with the opinion that captions need to be provided from the start. Hope this helps clarify, Teresa ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. Supervisor, Alternative Format Services Disability Resource Center Arizona State University ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:20 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Is a transcript considered an acceptable alternative for an uncaptioned video Thankx all, According to the Access board it is not: Paragraph (b) provides that equivalent alternatives for any multimedia presentation shall be synchronized with the presentation. This would require, for example, that if an audio portion of a multi-media production was captioned as required in paragraph (a), the captioning must be synchronized with the audio. (See ?1194.23(c)(12) and (e)(3) in the NPRM.) Comment. Comments from organizations representing persons who are deaf or hard of hearing strongly supported this provision. One commenter from the technology industry raised a concern that this provision would require all live speeches broadcast on the Internet by a Federal agency to be captioned. The commenter noted that an alternative might be to provide a transcript of the speech which could be saved, reviewed, and searched. Response. This provision uses language that is not substantively different than the WCAG 1.0 and was supported in the WAI comments to the proposed rule. There are new techniques for providing realtime captioning which are supported by new versions of programs like RealAudio. Providing captioning does not preclude posting a transcript of the speech for people to search or download. However, commenters preferred the realtime captioning over the delay in providing a transcript. No substantive changes have been made to this provision in the final rule. Reference : http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/preamble.htm I'm going to stick with that as my reasoning. - Joe From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of John Elmer Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:12 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Is a transcript considered an acceptable alternative for an uncaptioned video Short answer: No it is not. Neither is having an interpreter. From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 6:29 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Is a transcript considered an acceptable alternative for an uncaptioned video Hi all, I would like your opinion: Is a transcript considered an acceptable alternative for an uncaptioned video? I'm not going to get into the details of why I am bringing up this issue, I would just like people's feedback. Thankx Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wink From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Espero Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:19 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Sue, I was at CSUN in San Diego last week where I sat in a session regarding Google Accessibility with the NFB. Hadi was in there and was very adamant that it was not accessible. I have not had the opportunity to read his report so I was wondering if you could forward the URL so I can become more aware of the issues Google Apps/Docs present. Thanks, Robert P.S. UC Irvine has done a ?soft? deployment of Google Apps in light of numerous notifications of its inaccessibility by me and other colleagues. I?m hoping his report can provide some information for me to present to our computing department and Vice Chancellor. Robert Espero AT/IT Coordinator Disability Services Center UC Irvine From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 3:44 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Read Hadi and Joe?s report? Not accessible. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Hi all, Our college district has adopted Google Apps for Education (email & calendaring). Any warnings, tips or tricks you might have that I could pass along to our district IT folks in advance regarding known accessibility issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Wink -- Ms. Wink Harner Project Support Mesa Community College 1833 W. Southern Avenue Mesa AZ 85201 winkharner@mesacc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kcahill at MIT.EDU Thu Mar 8 08:29:41 2012 From: kcahill at MIT.EDU (Kathleen Cahill) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps In-Reply-To: <018301ccfd47$2a347cd0$7e9d7670$@uci.edu> References: <1E77D7FA-3323-4A67-BBE7-1008F07B9EF3@mesacc.edu> <3acb543b-5fe9-4871-b8e1-c73f2e28304a@mailstore1.mesacc.edu> <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A538072486E79225@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> <018301ccfd47$2a347cd0$7e9d7670$@uci.edu> Message-ID: <4599527AD714FA42B45CEDFE81CA397D131954@OC11expo28.exchange.mit.edu> Robert, Here is the link from the ATHEN website: http://athenpro.org/google-gmail-calendar-accessibility Kathy Kathleen Cahill Assistive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center) 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Espero Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:19 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Sue, I was at CSUN in San Diego last week where I sat in a session regarding Google Accessibility with the NFB. Hadi was in there and was very adamant that it was not accessible. I have not had the opportunity to read his report so I was wondering if you could forward the URL so I can become more aware of the issues Google Apps/Docs present. Thanks, Robert P.S. UC Irvine has done a ?soft? deployment of Google Apps in light of numerous notifications of its inaccessibility by me and other colleagues. I?m hoping his report can provide some information for me to present to our computing department and Vice Chancellor. Robert Espero AT/IT Coordinator Disability Services Center UC Irvine From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 3:44 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Read Hadi and Joe?s report? Not accessible. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Hi all, Our college district has adopted Google Apps for Education (email & calendaring). Any warnings, tips or tricks you might have that I could pass along to our district IT folks in advance regarding known accessibility issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Wink -- Ms. Wink Harner Project Support Mesa Community College 1833 W. Southern Avenue Mesa AZ 85201 winkharner@mesacc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From swims at umich.edu Thu Mar 8 09:07:45 2012 From: swims at umich.edu (Scott Williams) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps In-Reply-To: <4599527AD714FA42B45CEDFE81CA397D131954@OC11expo28.exchange.mit.edu> References: <1E77D7FA-3323-4A67-BBE7-1008F07B9EF3@mesacc.edu> <3acb543b-5fe9-4871-b8e1-c73f2e28304a@mailstore1.mesacc.edu> <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A538072486E79225@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> <018301ccfd47$2a347cd0$7e9d7670$@uci.edu> <4599527AD714FA42B45CEDFE81CA397D131954@OC11expo28.exchange.mit.edu> Message-ID: Also, the previous report on Google Docs can be found here: http://athenpro.org/google-docs-accessibility Some of the findings may be slightly dated, but the general situation remains the same. Progress has been slow. At U-Michigan we are scurrying to find work-arounds for Google Apps for our screen reader users. These work-arounds will not be satisfactory accommodations because the colloaborative aspect of Google Apps drops out of the picture. Same for the inter-App functionality (e.g., adding an event or task from Gmail). Current strategies include using Mail.app and ICal for Mac folks and Outlook for PC folks. We are looking at 3rd-party apps such as Insync for dealing with Google Docs. Scott -- Scott Williams Web Accessibility Coordinator Office of Institutional Equity University of Michigan 734-764-0051 On Thursday, March 8, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Kathleen Cahill wrote: > > Robert, > > > > Here is the link from the ATHEN website: http://athenpro.org/google-gmail-calendar-accessibility > > > > > > Kathy > > > > > > Kathleen Cahill > > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > > MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center) > > > 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 > > > Cambridge MA 02139 > > > (617) 253-5111 > > > kcahill@mit.edu (mailto:kcahill@mit.edu) > > > > > > > > > > > > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu (mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu) [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Espero > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:19 AM > To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: RE: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps > > > > > > > > Sue, > > > > > > I was at CSUN in San Diego last week where I sat in a session regarding Google Accessibility with the NFB. Hadi was in there and was very adamant that it was not accessible. I have not had the opportunity to read his report so I was wondering if you could forward the URL so I can become more aware of the issues Google Apps/Docs present. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > P.S. UC Irvine has done a ?soft? deployment of Google Apps in light of numerous notifications of its inaccessibility by me and other colleagues. I?m hoping his report can provide some information for me to present to our computing department and Vice Chancellor. > > > > > > Robert Espero > > > AT/IT Coordinator > Disability Services Center > > > UC Irvine > > > > > > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu (mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu) [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] (mailto:[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu]) On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 3:44 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: RE: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps > > > > > > > > Read Hadi and Joe?s report? > > > > > > Not accessible. > > > > > > Susan Kelmer > > > Alternate Format Coordinator > > > Disability Services > > > University of Colorado > > > 303-735-4836 > > > > > > > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu (mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu) [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] (mailto:[mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu]) On Behalf Of Wink Harner > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:40 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > Our college district has adopted Google Apps for Education (email & calendaring). Any warnings, tips or tricks you might have that I could pass along to our district IT folks in advance regarding known accessibility issues would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance. > > Wink > > -- > > > Ms. Wink Harner > Project Support > Mesa Community College > 1833 W. Southern Avenue > Mesa AZ 85201 > > winkharner@mesacc.edu (mailto:winkharner@mesacc.edu) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu (mailto:athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu) > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winkharner at mesacc.edu Thu Mar 8 10:25:40 2012 From: winkharner at mesacc.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: software recommendations Message-ID: <01b001ccfd58$dd937680$98ba6380$@edu> A side note - I am already aware of the programs which do this form conversion. I know how to do the form conversion. Those of you who are hands-on in this area and have favorites, I would appreciate your insight, recommendations, and especially why you like it. More thanks in advance, Wink Ms. Wink Harner Project Support OSHA - NU6 119 Mesa Community College 1833 W. Southern Avenue Mesa AZ 85202 480-461-7448 From: Wink Harner [mailto:winkharner@mesacc.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:24 AM To: athen-list-bounces Subject: software recommendations Good morning ATHEN-ITES, Am developing a proposal for the creation of standards for electronic & online forms. The purpose is to recommend the college adopt a standard for screen reader & Dragon accessible form fillable electronic forms. Would you all be kind enough to recommend software that does a good job with scanning existing forms for conversion into form fillable as well as incorporating screen reader and Dragon accessibility? I've recommended an evaluation of several software packages. I think the end result may be that I will spearhead a project at the college which will then incorporate training others on how to create online accessible forms. Any particular favorites out there you'd like to recommend? Thanks in advance for your contributions to a worthy cause! Ms. Wink Harner Project Support OSHA - NU6 119 Mesa Community College 1833 W. Southern Avenue Mesa AZ 85202 480-461-7448 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Lissner.2 at osu.edu Wed Mar 7 05:01:14 2012 From: Lissner.2 at osu.edu (Lissner, Scott) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: [News from ADA-Ohio] info re Multiple Perspectives conference 4/24 & 25 Message-ID: From: adaohio@aol.com [mailto:adaohio@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 07:43 AM To: ada-ohio@listserve.com Subject: [News from ADA-Ohio] info re Multiple Perspectives conference 4/24 & 25 Free for Students, Discounts for Government Employees?. Network with colleagues in and out of your field to explore the many dimensions of disability, connect with friends and find new partners at the twelfth annual multiple perspectives conference . Held on the Columbus Campus of The Ohio State University on April 24th & 25th 2012. The range and quality of the presentations and the generous support from the Ethel Louise Armstrong Foundation Endowment Fund makes this conference one of the best values anywhere. Concurrent Sessions : * Open Educational Resources: Accessibility's Achilles Heel. Stephen R. Acker, Research Director, The Ohio Digital Bookshelf, OhioLINK; Ian MacConnell, Creative Director, OH-TECH; John Magill, Executive Director, OhioLINK. * Capitalism /Economic Globalization: Will the disabled in developing countries become global citizens? Theodoto Ressa, Doctoral Student and Graduate Assistant, The Ohio State University * Technological Tales of (Deaf) Literate Wonder. Brenda Jo Brueggemann, Professor, Department of English, The Ohio State University * Disability in the Graphic Novel. Ann Gardiner, Director of the Learning Center, English Academic Department: Creative Writing, Literature and English, Franklin College Switzerland 25 more sessions by the Department of Education?s Office for Civil Rights, The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, Housing & Urban Development, Advocates, Researchers, Students ?. Student Poster Competitions Featuring Research, Community Service Projects, Art, Performances by graduate and undergraduate students. Submissions are due no later than March 12, 2012. Featured Sessions: "The Craft of Disability: Literature and the Art of Embodiment" The Ethel Louise Armstrong Lecture on Disability Culture and Art presented by Stephen Kuusisto . ?Beyond Classification? The Ohio State University?s President and Provost?s Diversity Lecture and Cultural Arts Series presented by LeDerick Horne ?Challenging The Status Quo? The Ken Campbell Lecture on Disability Policy Presented by Marilyn Bartlett Through the support of our sponsors & the Ethel Louise Armstrong Foundation Endowment Fund, the typical conference fee of $565 has been reduced to the following: * Non-OSU Attendee = $60 per day * Government Employees within Ohio = $45 per day * OH AHEAD Members = $45 per day * OSU Faculty & Staff = $30 per day * OSU Students attending sessions & lunch = $5 per day * OSU Students attending sessions only = Free * Fees include Lunch, breaks and all conference materials Lodging Information Jason Nicholson Graduate Assistant ADA Coordinator's Office The Ohio State University 614-292-6207 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronrstewart at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 09:38:23 2012 From: ronrstewart at gmail.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Google Apps Message-ID: <005201ccfd52$43d80d40$cb8827c0$@gmail.com> Just to add to this comment, the conversations that were had with Google last week were from all feedback I have received less than productive. ATHEN will continue to explore the issues of the Google App suites and welcomes any opportunities to collaborate in the hopeful resolution of what is a very problematic situation. Ron Stewart, President ATHEN From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Williams Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:08 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Also, the previous report on Google Docs can be found here: http://athenpro.org/google-docs-accessibility Some of the findings may be slightly dated, but the general situation remains the same. Progress has been slow. At U-Michigan we are scurrying to find work-arounds for Google Apps for our screen reader users. These work-arounds will not be satisfactory accommodations because the colloaborative aspect of Google Apps drops out of the picture. Same for the inter-App functionality (e.g., adding an event or task from Gmail). Current strategies include using Mail.app and ICal for Mac folks and Outlook for PC folks. We are looking at 3rd-party apps such as Insync for dealing with Google Docs. Scott -- Scott Williams Web Accessibility Coordinator Office of Institutional Equity University of Michigan 734-764-0051 On Thursday, March 8, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Kathleen Cahill wrote: Robert, Here is the link from the ATHEN website: http://athenpro.org/google-gmail-calendar-accessibility Kathy Kathleen Cahill Assistive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center) 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Espero Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:19 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Sue, I was at CSUN in San Diego last week where I sat in a session regarding Google Accessibility with the NFB. Hadi was in there and was very adamant that it was not accessible. I have not had the opportunity to read his report so I was wondering if you could forward the URL so I can become more aware of the issues Google Apps/Docs present. Thanks, Robert P.S. UC Irvine has done a ?soft? deployment of Google Apps in light of numerous notifications of its inaccessibility by me and other colleagues. I?m hoping his report can provide some information for me to present to our computing department and Vice Chancellor. Robert Espero AT/IT Coordinator Disability Services Center UC Irvine From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 3:44 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Read Hadi and Joe?s report? Not accessible. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Hi all, Our college district has adopted Google Apps for Education (email & calendaring). Any warnings, tips or tricks you might have that I could pass along to our district IT folks in advance regarding known accessibility issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Wink -- Ms. Wink Harner Project Support Mesa Community College 1833 W. Southern Avenue Mesa AZ 85201 winkharner@mesacc.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johumber at iupui.edu Thu Mar 8 11:07:38 2012 From: johumber at iupui.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Google Apps In-Reply-To: <005201ccfd52$43d80d40$cb8827c0$@gmail.com> References: <005201ccfd52$43d80d40$cb8827c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B7521410AD5@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> The Google person in charge of Google Docs said that Docs was designed in a way that current screen reading software could not understand so they developed at screen reader around it (ChromeVox) during the CSUN fireside chat. Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 12:38 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Google Apps Just to add to this comment, the conversations that were had with Google last week were from all feedback I have received less than productive. ATHEN will continue to explore the issues of the Google App suites and welcomes any opportunities to collaborate in the hopeful resolution of what is a very problematic situation. Ron Stewart, President ATHEN From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Williams Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:08 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Also, the previous report on Google Docs can be found here: http://athenpro.org/google-docs-accessibility Some of the findings may be slightly dated, but the general situation remains the same. Progress has been slow. At U-Michigan we are scurrying to find work-arounds for Google Apps for our screen reader users. These work-arounds will not be satisfactory accommodations because the colloaborative aspect of Google Apps drops out of the picture. Same for the inter-App functionality (e.g., adding an event or task from Gmail). Current strategies include using Mail.app and ICal for Mac folks and Outlook for PC folks. We are looking at 3rd-party apps such as Insync for dealing with Google Docs. Scott -- Scott Williams Web Accessibility Coordinator Office of Institutional Equity University of Michigan 734-764-0051 On Thursday, March 8, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Kathleen Cahill wrote: Robert, Here is the link from the ATHEN website: http://athenpro.org/google-gmail-calendar-accessibility Kathy Kathleen Cahill Assistive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center) 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Espero Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:19 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Sue, I was at CSUN in San Diego last week where I sat in a session regarding Google Accessibility with the NFB. Hadi was in there and was very adamant that it was not accessible. I have not had the opportunity to read his report so I was wondering if you could forward the URL so I can become more aware of the issues Google Apps/Docs present. Thanks, Robert P.S. UC Irvine has done a ?soft? deployment of Google Apps in light of numerous notifications of its inaccessibility by me and other colleagues. I?m hoping his report can provide some information for me to present to our computing department and Vice Chancellor. Robert Espero AT/IT Coordinator Disability Services Center UC Irvine From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 3:44 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Read Hadi and Joe?s report? Not accessible. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Hi all, Our college district has adopted Google Apps for Education (email & calendaring). Any warnings, tips or tricks you might have that I could pass along to our district IT folks in advance regarding known accessibility issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Wink -- Ms. Wink Harner Project Support Mesa Community College 1833 W. Southern Avenue Mesa AZ 85201 winkharner@mesacc.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Many performed quite well Calendar, but there were still significant hurdles some technologies, particularly screen readers. report can be found online at http://athenpro.org/google-gmail-calendar-accessibility Register on the EASI Webinar page for this Google Webinar March 20: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . It's never too late to become what you might have been. George Eliot Once you choose hope, anything's possible. Christopher Reeve Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com Making Online Teaching Accessible: Inclusive Course Design for Students with Disabilities by Norman Coombs published by Jossey-Bass Oct 10,2010 http://www.josseybass.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470499044.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Vasquez at sbcc.edu Thu Mar 8 15:13:10 2012 From: Vasquez at sbcc.edu (Laurie Vasquez) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Google Apps In-Reply-To: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B7521410AD5@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> References: <005201ccfd52$43d80d40$cb8827c0$@gmail.com> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B7521410AD5@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <4F58CC86020000F80008D00A@gwv2.sbcc.net> FYI - Laurie >From T.V. Raman so we can track activity: >>In general, we announce minor enhancements via the http://groups.google.com/group/accessible list, and > major enhancements via our product specific company blogs. We > also point to all such major announcements via > http://google.com/accessibility >From the list: View profile ( http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=iKoWdREAAAC7yFlLlg0FUkg3PGn7PM9qkdEasx1kiYTQavV7mdW13Q ) Feb 29, 8:19 pm If you're at CSUN 2012 this week, and are interested in helping us evaluate the accessibility of some Google products, we're running a short user study. We're looking for about 30 minutes of time. If you're interested in participating, please fill out this survey to let us know: http://goo.gl/S6J2V ( http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://goo.gl/S6J2V&usg=AFQjCNFiV00M7cRdWPEzO4TQOxb8cNc6yw ) -naomi >>> "Humbert, Joseph A" 3/8/2012 11:07 AM >>> The Google person in charge of Google Docs said that Docs was designed in a way that current screen reading software could not understand so they developed at screen reader around it (ChromeVox) during the CSUN fireside chat. Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E Indianapolis, IN 46202 Office Phone: (317) 274-4378 Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824 johumber@iupui.edu http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ ( http://iuadapts.indiana.edu/ ) From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 12:38 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Google Apps Just to add to this comment, the conversations that were had with Google last week were from all feedback I have received less than productive. ATHEN will continue to explore the issues of the Google App suites and welcomes any opportunities to collaborate in the hopeful resolution of what is a very problematic situation. Ron Stewart, President ATHEN From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Williams Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:08 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Also, the previous report on Google Docs can be found here: http://athenpro.org/google-docs-accessibility Some of the findings may be slightly dated, but the general situation remains the same. Progress has been slow. At U-Michigan we are scurrying to find work-arounds for Google Apps for our screen reader users. These work-arounds will not be satisfactory accommodations because the colloaborative aspect of Google Apps drops out of the picture. Same for the inter-App functionality (e.g., adding an event or task from Gmail). Current strategies include using Mail.app and ICal for Mac folks and Outlook for PC folks. We are looking at 3rd-party apps such as Insync for dealing with Google Docs. Scott -- Scott Williams Web Accessibility Coordinator Office of Institutional Equity University of Michigan 734-764-0051 On Thursday, March 8, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Kathleen Cahill wrote: Robert, Here is the link from the ATHEN website: http://athenpro.org/google-gmail-calendar-accessibility Kathy Kathleen Cahill Assistive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center) 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Espero Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:19 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Sue, I was at CSUN in San Diego last week where I sat in a session regarding Google Accessibility with the NFB. Hadi was in there and was very adamant that it was not accessible. I have not had the opportunity to read his report so I was wondering if you could forward the URL so I can become more aware of the issues Google Apps/Docs present. Thanks, Robert P.S. UC Irvine has done a *soft* deployment of Google Apps in light of numerous notifications of its inaccessibility by me and other colleagues. I*m hoping his report can provide some information for me to present to our computing department and Vice Chancellor. Robert Espero AT/IT Coordinator Disability Services Center UC Irvine From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 3:44 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Read Hadi and Joe*s report* Not accessible. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps Hi all, Our college district has adopted Google Apps for Education (email & calendaring). Any warnings, tips or tricks you might have that I could pass along to our district IT folks in advance regarding known accessibility issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Wink -- Ms. Wink Harner Project Support Mesa Community College 1833 W. Southern Avenue Mesa AZ 85201 winkharner@mesacc.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greg_kraus at ncsu.edu Thu Mar 8 18:40:41 2012 From: greg_kraus at ncsu.edu (Greg Kraus) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Google Apps In-Reply-To: <4F58CC86020000F80008D00A@gwv2.sbcc.net> References: <005201ccfd52$43d80d40$cb8827c0$@gmail.com> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B7521410AD5@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <4F58CC86020000F80008D00A@gwv2.sbcc.net> Message-ID: Hi All, Here is my experience with Google's accessibility support and how they announce changes to the public. 1. The accessibility team working at Google is very dedicated to making Google Apps accessible, and in the end, we are all working and hoping for the same thing - that everyone can use Google Apps. I believe the accessibility team has a very difficult path to forge within the company to make it happen, not unlike many of the battles we have to fight on campuses to change cultures and mindsets. I applaud and am grateful of the work they have done to date, because they have done a lot, but we're not there yet and so we each have a role to play in this drama - we have to hold their feet to the fire, yet at the same time cheer them on. 2. Most of the Google Apps are, in my opinion, not too complex to be used with JAWS and other screen readers. For the most part, Google has chosen to implement most of its screen reader support through ChromeVox, and has done so in ways that other screen readers cannot take advantage of. They will say (quite often) that the problem of accessibility for complex Web apps has not been solved by anyone and they are working to solve it. I will grant them that Google Docs would require so much advanced ARIA support in screen readers that it might be impractical at this point to get equitable functionality in all screen readers, but for applications like GMail and Calendar, I don't accept that argument. Those interfaces are much simpler and could be much more accessible to JAWS, VoiceOver, and others. 3. Like I said, Google is definitely pushing towards a ChromeVox solution for screen reader support and considering other screen readers after the fact. ChromeVox interacts with Web applications in some fundamentally different ways than traditional screen readers. There are times, I believe, that the Google Apps are sending ChromeVox specific statements to say at certain points. This is fundamentally different behavior than every other Web application on the Internet and every other screen reader. It basically means Google Apps are being designed to work with a particular technology, not being designed to an accepted standard. (You might think well, with ARIA live regions I can send a statement to JAWS to announce. Yes, you can, but it's still because JAWS chooses to say it. ChromeVox support in these areas is more akin to calling an API function in ChromeVox to announce something, most likely being done through a JavaScript call. Last time I checked, JAWS didn't have an API available to Web applications.) Maybe it's time for some shakeup in the screen reader industry and how screen readers are supposed to work, but ChromeVox is definitely not ready for prime time production use. 4. Google does not announce a lot of accessibility changes. If they use the Accessibility Google Group to make minor announcements, I've missed most of them. I've seen a few references to people posting a bug to the list and a developer making a comment that it will be fixed soon, but those instances are fairly rare. I did a quick skim of the messages back to Dec 1, 2011 and I didn't see any threads started by Google announcing any improvements to Google Apps. In fact, their most recent blog posting ( http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/understanding-accessibility-at-csun.html) still only references their accessibility improvements from last September ( http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/enhanced-accessibility-in-docs-sites.html). That is the only accessibility announcement I have seen from Google regading Google Apps in the last 6 months. 5. I know they are working on things and making them better. At CSUN, when Hadi and I were presenting on Google Apps Accessibility a Google Docs developer was in the audience and I learned that about a week after our October accessibility report on Docs he had fixed one of the bugs we reported. (It was regarding screen reader users escaping out of modal windows in Docs). I'm very glad it's fixed, but that's the first I had heard about it. Communication about improvements is simply non-existent. Greg -- Greg Kraus University IT Accessibility Coordinator NC State University 919.513.4087 greg_kraus@ncsu.edu On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:13 PM, Laurie Vasquez wrote: > FYI - Laurie > > From T.V. Raman so we can track activity: > > >>In general, we announce minor enhancements via the > http://groups.google.com/group/accessible list, and > > major enhancements via our product specific company blogs. We > > also point to all such major announcements via > > http://google.com/accessibility > > From the list: > View profile > > Feb 29, 8:19 pm If you're at CSUN 2012 this week, and are interested in > helping us evaluate > the accessibility of some Google products, we're running a short user > study. > We're looking for about 30 minutes of time. If you're interested in > participating, please fill out this survey to let us know: > http://goo.gl/S6J2V > -naomi > > > > > >>> "Humbert, Joseph A" 3/8/2012 11:07 AM >>> > > The Google person in charge of Google Docs said that Docs was designed in > a way that current screen reading software could not understand so they > developed at screen reader around it (ChromeVox) during the CSUN fireside > chat.**** > > ** ** > > Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist**** > > UITS Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers**** > > Indiana University, Indianapolis and Bloomington**** > > 535 W Michigan St. IT214 E**** > > Indianapolis, IN 46202**** > > Office Phone: (317) 274-4378**** > > Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824**** > > johumber@iupui.edu**** > > http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/ **** > > ** ** > > *From:* athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto: > athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of *Ron Stewart > *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 12:38 PM > *To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > *Subject:* RE: [Athen] Google Apps**** > > ** ** > > Just to add to this comment, the conversations that were had with Google > last week were from all feedback I have received less than productive. > ATHEN will continue to explore the issues of the Google App suites and > welcomes any opportunities to collaborate in the hopeful resolution of what > is a very problematic situation.**** > > ** ** > > Ron Stewart, President **** > > ATHEN**** > > ** ** > > *From:* athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of *Scott > Williams > *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:08 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps**** > > ** ** > > Also, the previous report on Google Docs can be found here: **** > > ** ** > > http://athenpro.org/google-docs-accessibility**** > > ** ** > > Some of the findings may be slightly dated, but the general situation > remains the same. Progress has been slow. **** > > ** ** > > At U-Michigan we are scurrying to find work-arounds for Google Apps for > our screen reader users. These work-arounds will not be satisfactory > accommodations because the colloaborative aspect of Google Apps drops out > of the picture. Same for the inter-App functionality (e.g., adding an event > or task from Gmail). **** > > ** ** > > Current strategies include using Mail.app and ICal for Mac folks and > Outlook for PC folks. We are looking at 3rd-party apps such as Insync for > dealing with Google Docs. **** > > ** ** > > Scott**** > > ** ** > > -- **** > > Scott Williams**** > > Web Accessibility Coordinator**** > > Office of Institutional Equity**** > > University of Michigan**** > > 734-764-0051**** > > ** ** > > On Thursday, March 8, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Kathleen Cahill wrote:**** > > Robert,**** > > > Here is the link from the ATHEN website: > http://athenpro.org/google-gmail-calendar-accessibility **** > > **** > > Kathy**** > > **** > > Kathleen Cahill**** > > Assistive Technology Specialist**** > > MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center)**** > > 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143**** > > Cambridge MA 02139**** > > (617) 253-5111**** > > kcahill@mit.edu**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > *From:* athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [ > mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] > *On Behalf Of *Robert Espero > *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:19 AM > *To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > *Subject:* RE: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps**** > > **** > > Sue,**** > > **** > > I was at CSUN in San Diego last week where I sat in a session regarding > Google Accessibility with the NFB. Hadi was in there and was very adamant > that it was not accessible. I have not had the opportunity to read his > report so I was wondering if you could forward the URL so I can become more > aware of the issues Google Apps/Docs present.**** > > **** > > Thanks,**** > > **** > > Robert**** > > **** > > P.S. UC Irvine has done a "soft" deployment of Google Apps in light of > numerous notifications of its inaccessibility by me and other colleagues. > I'm hoping his report can provide some information for me to present to our > computing department and Vice Chancellor.**** > > **** > > Robert Espero**** > > AT/IT Coordinator > Disability Services Center**** > > UC Irvine**** > > **** > > *From:* athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of *Susan > Kelmer > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2012 3:44 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* RE: [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps**** > > **** > > Read Hadi and Joe's report.**** > > **** > > Not accessible.**** > > **** > > *Susan Kelmer***** > > *Alternate Format Coordinator***** > > *Disability Services***** > > *University of Colorado***** > > *303-735-4836***** > > **** > > *From:* athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of *Wink > Harner > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 06, 2012 4:40 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* [Athen] Fwd: Google Apps**** > > **** > > Hi all, > > Our college district has adopted Google Apps for Education (email & > calendaring). 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Norm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . It's never too late to become what you might have been. George Eliot Once you choose hope, anything's possible. Christopher Reeve Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com Making Online Teaching Accessible: Inclusive Course Design for Students with Disabilities by Norman Coombs published by Jossey-Bass Oct 10,2010 http://www.josseybass.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470499044.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winkharner at mesacc.edu Fri Mar 9 10:58:40 2012 From: winkharner at mesacc.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] question about open office and screen readers In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20120309094618.0a181840@pop.gmail.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20120309094618.0a181840@pop.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00d601ccfe26$a4437b40$ecca71c0$@edu> In response to Norm's question, I found this info which may be useful. Try Lotus Symphony instead which is a free offshoot of OpenOffice which JAWS has had some work done to make it talk. JAWS probably works a bit with OpenOfice however Symphony might be a better bet if you have the choice. http://www.freelists.org/post/jaws-uk/JAWS-AND-OPEN-OFFICE,1 You can download the plug in here: http://www-03.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.nsf/home Has anyone tried Lotus Symphony with JAWS? Wink From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 10:48 AM To: athen-list-u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] question about open office and screen readers I seem to recall that some time ago Open Office did not work well with screen readers. Does anyone know if this is still true or whether JAWS and maybe others will now work with open office??? Norm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . It's never too late to become what you might have been. 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URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Sat Mar 10 12:57:41 2012 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update In-Reply-To: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FF41C@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> References: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213E9AE5@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu><00c501ccfc01$a0416970$e0c43c50$@ahead.org><906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213F5DC3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu><201203071359.q27Dxi3r020482@mail.ucla.edu><906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FC7E3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu><4F57AD69.2000709@stanford.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FF41C@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <19274FC005BA425AA0575A45BB59AF19@htctu.fhda.edu> Sorry all, I did not have e-mail access for a couple of days...Guess it's time for a new smart phone... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 11:19 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Added the suggestions from Bill and Sean. Sean, The section below was suggested by Gaeir. I am not totally sure of her intent. Multiple suggestions have modified it over the course of this document's drafting process (today). Anyone have suggestion's for better language? Gaier? Page 7, 2nd paragraph: "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard." Not sure what is meant by this paragraph. Does it mean there are no standards related to captioning for different media formats? Does it mean that there is no standard method for playing captions? Does it mean there are no standards specific to identifying if the media is captioned? Accessibility data *is* included; it's just that it can exist differently for the same media format. I am unclear as to what ATHEN's intent is for this paragraph. Alterative link to document: http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc - Joe -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean J Keegan Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 1:48 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Hi Joe, Sorry for the delayed participation - I have been reprising the role of Florence Nightingale for my family. Comments: Page 6, 3rd paragraph: "Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop to desktop support the software is something that you downloaded for free, something that is by nature of acquisition your property." Sentence appears to be run-on. Suggest: "Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop-to-desktop support. The software you downloaded for free is, by nature of acquisition, your property." ******** Page 7, 2nd paragraph: "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard." Not sure what is meant by this paragraph. Does it mean there are no standards related to captioning for different media formats? Does it mean that there is no standard method for playing captions? Does it mean there are no standards specific to identifying if the media is captioned? Accessibility data *is* included; it's just that it can exist differently for the same media format. I am unclear as to what ATHEN's intent is for this paragraph. ******** Page 8, 1st paragraph: "ATHEN recommends that an advisory be included that defines a relative time frame for Alternate format delivery. For example, "equally effective" and "equable" to the nature of the information transmission, update and, storage (i.e. legacy documents, archived databases, and time-sensitive material should be available in an "equitable time sensitive manner".)" Suggest: Equable is generally defined as "not easily angered, even-tempered" or "calm and steady". Was "equitable" the intended word? ******** All my other issues (specific to the document) appear to be addressed in the latest version sent out by Joe. Looks like a solid document. Once this gets completed, I have a feeling that there will likely need to be another document from ATHEN/AHEAD providing guidance to educational institutions as to what the refresh actually means. Take care, Sean On 3/7/12 8:28 AM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > Hi Again, > > I have incorporated the suggestions from both Aaron and Patrick > (Thankx) and comments send directly to me from Terrill Thompson and > Bill Grubaugh. Please keep comments and suggestions coming. New > draft included > > Alterative link to document: > http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc > > - Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Burke [mailto:burke@ucla.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:00 AM > To: Humbert, Joseph A > Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update > > > * Hi Joe, > * Looking good!... > * One question, re this section (bottom of page 6): > * The Functional Success Criteria (Chapter 3) does not include any criteria specific to learning disabilities. We were unable to come up with a specific recommendation, but I'm capturing this here as a placeholder for further deliberation. > > Does this mean it requires further work by ATHEN, or by the Access Board? If meant as a task for regulators, I suggest changing to: > > "We were unable to formulate specific recommendations, but effects on populations with learning disabilities deserve further deliberation." > > Fun stuff! :) Thanks for tackling this, > > Patrick _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From johumber at iupui.edu Mon Mar 12 07:38:53 2012 From: johumber at iupui.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update In-Reply-To: References: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213E9AE5@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu><00c501ccfc01$a0416970$e0c43c50$@ahead.org><906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213F5DC3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu><201203071359.q27Dxi3r020482@mail.ucla.edu><906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FC7E3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu><4F57AD69.2000709@stanford.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FF41C@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B752EBC7AB3@IU-MSSG-MBX108.ads.iu.edu> Gaeir, I'm not sure that was reflected in our final response. What is your opinion? You can email me off list if you prefer. - Joe -----Original Message----- From: Gaeir Dietrich [mailto:gdietrich@htctu.net] Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 3:57 PM To: Humbert, Joseph A Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update I assume you no longer need this information, so it's moot. What I meant was that unlike VHS tapes, which have very clear standards for how to encode captions, DVDs do not have those same clear standards it is a mish-mash or a lot of different strategies. The strategies include encoded closed captions (similar to the standard for line-21 captions on VHS tapes), subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing, and simply additional tracks that can be turned on and off with the menu. Sometimes a decoder is required, sometimes it's not. Very confusing. So what I was looking for was language that suggests that when new multimedia formats are developed that standards for accessibility be built in at the design phase (i.e., when Flash is being designed, figure out how to make it accessible right then). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 11:19 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Added the suggestions from Bill and Sean. Sean, The section below was suggested by Gaeir. I am not totally sure of her intent. Multiple suggestions have modified it over the course of this document's drafting process (today). Anyone have suggestion's for better language? Gaier? Page 7, 2nd paragraph: "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard." Not sure what is meant by this paragraph. Does it mean there are no standards related to captioning for different media formats? Does it mean that there is no standard method for playing captions? Does it mean there are no standards specific to identifying if the media is captioned? Accessibility data *is* included; it's just that it can exist differently for the same media format. I am unclear as to what ATHEN's intent is for this paragraph. Alterative link to document: http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc - Joe -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean J Keegan Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 1:48 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Hi Joe, Sorry for the delayed participation - I have been reprising the role of Florence Nightingale for my family. Comments: Page 6, 3rd paragraph: "Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop to desktop support the software is something that you downloaded for free, something that is by nature of acquisition your property." Sentence appears to be run-on. Suggest: "Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop-to-desktop support. The software you downloaded for free is, by nature of acquisition, your property." ******** Page 7, 2nd paragraph: "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard." Not sure what is meant by this paragraph. Does it mean there are no standards related to captioning for different media formats? Does it mean that there is no standard method for playing captions? Does it mean there are no standards specific to identifying if the media is captioned? Accessibility data *is* included; it's just that it can exist differently for the same media format. I am unclear as to what ATHEN's intent is for this paragraph. ******** Page 8, 1st paragraph: "ATHEN recommends that an advisory be included that defines a relative time frame for Alternate format delivery. For example, "equally effective" and "equable" to the nature of the information transmission, update and, storage (i.e. legacy documents, archived databases, and time-sensitive material should be available in an "equitable time sensitive manner".)" Suggest: Equable is generally defined as "not easily angered, even-tempered" or "calm and steady". Was "equitable" the intended word? ******** All my other issues (specific to the document) appear to be addressed in the latest version sent out by Joe. Looks like a solid document. Once this gets completed, I have a feeling that there will likely need to be another document from ATHEN/AHEAD providing guidance to educational institutions as to what the refresh actually means. Take care, Sean On 3/7/12 8:28 AM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > Hi Again, > > I have incorporated the suggestions from both Aaron and Patrick > (Thankx) and comments send directly to me from Terrill Thompson and > Bill Grubaugh. Please keep comments and suggestions coming. New > draft included > > Alterative link to document: > http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc > > - Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Burke [mailto:burke@ucla.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:00 AM > To: Humbert, Joseph A > Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update > > > * Hi Joe, > * Looking good!... > * One question, re this section (bottom of page 6): > * The Functional Success Criteria (Chapter 3) does not include > any criteria specific to learning disabilities. We were unable to come up with a specific recommendation, but I'm capturing this here as a placeholder for further deliberation. > > Does this mean it requires further work by ATHEN, or by the Access Board? If meant as a task for regulators, I suggest changing to: > > "We were unable to formulate specific recommendations, but effects on populations with learning disabilities deserve further deliberation." > > Fun stuff! :) Thanks for tackling this, > > Patrick _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From johumber at iupui.edu Mon Mar 12 07:39:37 2012 From: johumber at iupui.edu (Humbert, Joseph A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update In-Reply-To: <19274FC005BA425AA0575A45BB59AF19@htctu.fhda.edu> References: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213E9AE5@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu><00c501ccfc01$a0416970$e0c43c50$@ahead.org><906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213F5DC3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu><201203071359.q27Dxi3r020482@mail.ucla.edu><906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FC7E3@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu><4F57AD69.2000709@stanford.edu> <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B75213FF41C@IU-MSSG-MBX110.ads.iu.edu> <19274FC005BA425AA0575A45BB59AF19@htctu.fhda.edu> Message-ID: <906395B08AE7B542882AC81A31B69B752EBC8B07@IU-MSSG-MBX108.ads.iu.edu> It is not a problem. It happened to everyone at some point. - Joe -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 3:58 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Sorry all, I did not have e-mail access for a couple of days...Guess it's time for a new smart phone... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 11:19 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Added the suggestions from Bill and Sean. Sean, The section below was suggested by Gaeir. I am not totally sure of her intent. Multiple suggestions have modified it over the course of this document's drafting process (today). Anyone have suggestion's for better language? Gaier? Page 7, 2nd paragraph: "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard." Not sure what is meant by this paragraph. Does it mean there are no standards related to captioning for different media formats? Does it mean that there is no standard method for playing captions? Does it mean there are no standards specific to identifying if the media is captioned? Accessibility data *is* included; it's just that it can exist differently for the same media format. I am unclear as to what ATHEN's intent is for this paragraph. Alterative link to document: http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc - Joe -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean J Keegan Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 1:48 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update Hi Joe, Sorry for the delayed participation - I have been reprising the role of Florence Nightingale for my family. Comments: Page 6, 3rd paragraph: "Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop to desktop support the software is something that you downloaded for free, something that is by nature of acquisition your property." Sentence appears to be run-on. Suggest: "Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop-to-desktop support. The software you downloaded for free is, by nature of acquisition, your property." ******** Page 7, 2nd paragraph: "An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard." Not sure what is meant by this paragraph. Does it mean there are no standards related to captioning for different media formats? Does it mean that there is no standard method for playing captions? Does it mean there are no standards specific to identifying if the media is captioned? Accessibility data *is* included; it's just that it can exist differently for the same media format. I am unclear as to what ATHEN's intent is for this paragraph. ******** Page 8, 1st paragraph: "ATHEN recommends that an advisory be included that defines a relative time frame for Alternate format delivery. For example, "equally effective" and "equable" to the nature of the information transmission, update and, storage (i.e. legacy documents, archived databases, and time-sensitive material should be available in an "equitable time sensitive manner".)" Suggest: Equable is generally defined as "not easily angered, even-tempered" or "calm and steady". Was "equitable" the intended word? ******** All my other issues (specific to the document) appear to be addressed in the latest version sent out by Joe. Looks like a solid document. Once this gets completed, I have a feeling that there will likely need to be another document from ATHEN/AHEAD providing guidance to educational institutions as to what the refresh actually means. Take care, Sean On 3/7/12 8:28 AM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote: > Hi Again, > > I have incorporated the suggestions from both Aaron and Patrick > (Thankx) and comments send directly to me from Terrill Thompson and > Bill Grubaugh. Please keep comments and suggestions coming. New > draft included > > Alterative link to document: > http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc > > - Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Burke [mailto:burke@ucla.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:00 AM > To: Humbert, Joseph A > Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update > > > * Hi Joe, > * Looking good!... > * One question, re this section (bottom of page 6): > * The Functional Success Criteria (Chapter 3) does not include > any criteria specific to learning disabilities. We were unable to come up with a specific recommendation, but I'm capturing this here as a placeholder for further deliberation. > > Does this mean it requires further work by ATHEN, or by the Access Board? If meant as a task for regulators, I suggest changing to: > > "We were unable to formulate specific recommendations, but effects on populations with learning disabilities deserve further deliberation." > > Fun stuff! :) Thanks for tackling this, > > Patrick _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From Lissner.2 at osu.edu Tue Mar 13 20:36:00 2012 From: Lissner.2 at osu.edu (Lissner, Scott) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Job Posting, IT Accessibility Position at Syracuse university Message-ID: I was asked to share this posting at Syracuse: Syracuse University ITS Information Technology Analyst - Web Accessibility Syracuse University Information Technology and Services invites applications for the position of Information Technology Analyst-Web Accessibility. The Information Technology Analyst will have a deep understanding of assistive hardware and software technologies and the ability to evaluate and consult on web accessibility best practices. We are looking for a personable self-starter, who is exceptionally well organized and capable of leading cross-functional technical and support teams. ***This position will initially last for a term of approximately two years. General Responsibilities: * Responsible for providing user training and technical consultation in the accessible use of a variety of form factors such as mobile, tablet, and desktop workstations, electronic documents (e.g., PDF, Word, Excel, and PowerPoint), and online platforms (Blackboard, Expressions, MySlice, and Course Catalog). * Responsible for leading a team of students to perform web accessibility testing based on Section 508 and WCAG 2.0, to include: semi-automated scans, manual reviews, keyboard only, color sampling, and screen reader testing using a combination of common web accessibility testing tools such as WAVE, Web Accessibility Toolbar, Colour Contrast Analyser, and JAWS screen reader, respectively. * Responsible for accessibility training and support for key web developers and content providers * Responsible for working with Online Learning Services (OLS) to provide information, workshops, and seminars to faculty and staff on the use of assistive technology and adaptive equipment in support of teaching and learning. * Responsible for troubleshooting, evaluating, and recommending assistive software and hardware. * Responsible for researching the most recent assistive technology and adaptive equipment. * Responsible for remaining current and knowledgeable on available assistive technologies. * Responsible for designing, compiling and generating reports, and presentations as needed. * Will work with the Office of Disability Services, Burton Blatt Institute, Distributed IT Support Staff, and ITS. * Perform other duties as assigned. Qualifications: Bachelor degree in computer science, information technology, human computer interaction, education or related field with three of relevant experience in customer service, assistive technology or related field or an equivalent combination of education and experience is required. * Two years of experience in a customer service position, preferably working with customers related to assistive technologies. Experience in higher education preferred. * One year of recent paid experience in the field of assistive technology, which required the use of assistive technology software and equipment. * Desktop hardware and software skills in both the AD desktop/laptop environment used by staff and faculty and stand-alone devices used by students, including mobile devices. * Experience building web sites and in-depth knowledge of how to evaluate the usability of a web site. * Knowledge of a wide variety of adaptive technologies, with a passion to keep current on emerging technologies. * Experience supervising students, managing projects, and providing team leadership. * Experience working with students and/or individuals with disabilities. * Knowledge of relevant disability laws as they relate to technology, including Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), Sections 504 and 508 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, and the Amendments. * More than two years hands-on experience using web accessibility testing tools and screen reader to evaluate web sites/web applications and testing electronic documents (PDF, Word, Excel, PowerPoint) for conformance to the Section 508 standards and as suggested by the best practices guidelines from the World Wide Web Consortium 's (W3C) Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI). * Knowledge of a variety of AT tools including JAWS, Open Book, Kurzweil, ZoomText, Inspiration, and Dragon Naturally Speaking. Proficiency in the Microsoft Windows Operating System is required. * A passion for making the web more accessible and usable for everyone. * Excellent written communication skills for heavy documentation; verbal communication skills for training and development. * Ability to work effectively with ethnic, cultural, and socially diverse student populations. * Successful completion of Human Factors International (HFI) Certified Usability Analyst (CUA) certification or other recognized assistive technology certification training program is considered a plus, equivalent experience is accepted. Women and members of other traditionally underrepresented groups are encouraged to apply. Syracuse University is an AA/EOE. To apply please go to: www.sujobopps.com, job# 027618. L. Scott Lissner, Ohio State University ADA Coordinator, Office Of Diversity And Inclusion Associate, John Glenn School of Public Affairs Lecturer, Knowlton School of Architecture, Moritz College of Law & Disability Studies President Elect, Association on Higher Education And Disability Chair, ADA-OHIO Appointed, Ohio Governor's Council For People With Disabilities, State HAVA Committee & Columbus Advisory Council on Disability Issues (614) 292-6207(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu 291 W. Lane Ave , Columbus, OH 43210-1266 REGISTRATION OPEN 2012 MULTIPLE PERSPECTIVES CONFERENCE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petri.1 at osu.edu Wed Mar 14 12:24:47 2012 From: petri.1 at osu.edu (Ken Petri) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility Analyst position at Syracuse Message-ID: Sent to me by Steve Kuusisto at Syracuse for distribution. Position description is attached. ken -- Ken Petri Program Director, OSU Web Accessibility Center 102D Pomerene Hall, 1760 Neil Avenue, Columbus, Ohio 43210 Office: 614.292.1760 | Mobile: 614.218.1499 | Fax: 614.292.4190 http://wac.osu.edu | petri.1@osu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Accessibility Analyst_2012.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 58001 bytes Desc: not available URL: From larry.kiser at sfcollege.edu Fri Mar 16 10:55:14 2012 From: larry.kiser at sfcollege.edu (Larry Kiser) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Software for Advising, Academic Planning & Retention Message-ID: Colleagues: Our institution is implementing a Quality Enhancement Plan (QEP) that includes a technology component for advising, academic planning and retention. The committee charged with the QEP is beginning a vetting process looking several software programs. My coordinator has ask that I gather information concerning the accessibility of these programs. If you have experience working with the following programs would you briefly comment on any accessibility issue you have encountered with either students or staff. I am also interested in obtain any Voluntary Product Evaluation Templates (VPAT) on these products. Thank you in advance for your comments. The programs under consideration are: MapWorks Epsilen's Advisor Portal Sunguard's DegreeWorks Academic Impressions: Vetting Early Alert Technologies NACADA Clearinghouse on Early Alert Systems Student Success Plan Starfish Early Alert GradesFirst Student Support System Pharos 360 Larry Kiser Counseling Specialist Disabilities Resource Center, S-233 Santa Fe College Gainesville, FL 32606 Phone: 352-395-4429 Fax: 352-395-4100 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sdmacleo at svsu.edu Mon Mar 19 05:57:52 2012 From: sdmacleo at svsu.edu (Scott D. Mac Leod) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Software for Advising, Academic Planning & Retention In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1379392668.1339179.1332161872156.JavaMail.root@vmailbox4.svsu.edu> Hello Larry, I just thought I would pass this bit of information along to you. My university the MapWorks program, as recently as three weeks ago with the help of our MapWorks people I ran a test on the program to see how it interacted with screen reading programs. The two screen readers I tested were; NVDA ,and Natural Reader both were found to work well with the program. However to use the Natural Reader program you must use it in floating toolbar mode and copy and past into it. I hope this information is helpful. Have a great day!!! Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Kiser" To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 1:55:14 PM Subject: [Athen] Software for Advising, Academic Planning & Retention Colleagues: Our institution is implementing a Quality Enhancement Plan (QEP) that includes a technology component for advising, academic planning and retention. The committee charged with the QEP is beginning a vetting process looking several software programs. My coordinator has ask that I gather information concerning the accessibility of these programs. If you have experience working with the following programs would you briefly comment on any accessibility issue you have encountered with either students or staff. I am also interested in obtain any Voluntary Product Evaluation Templates (VPAT) on these products. Thank you in advance for your comments. The programs under consideration are: MapWorks Epsilen?s Advisor Portal Sunguard?s DegreeWorks Academic Impressions: Vetting Early Alert Technologies NACADA Clearinghouse on Early Alert Systems Student Success Plan Starfish Early Alert GradesFirst Student Support System Pharos 360 Larry Kiser Counseling Specialist Disabilities Resource Center, S-233 Santa Fe College Gainesville, FL 32606 Phone: 352-395-4429 Fax: 352-395-4100 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Scott MacLeod Assistive Technology Specialist Email: sdmacleo@svsu.edu Phone: 989 964-4054 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ndogbo at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 09:01:13 2012 From: ndogbo at gmail.com (N Dogbo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN website address In-Reply-To: <1379392668.1339179.1332161872156.JavaMail.root@vmailbox4.svsu.edu> References: <1379392668.1339179.1332161872156.JavaMail.root@vmailbox4.svsu.edu> Message-ID: <13DB84E2C0FC490DAE40726E814ADADB@OWNERr91072> Hi, Could anyone please send me the URL? Thanks, Nicaise ----- Think not with your EYES and you shall have a perfect VISION! --- _____ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Scott D. Mac Leod Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:58 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Software for Advising, Academic Planning & Retention Hello Larry, I just thought I would pass this bit of information along to you. My university the MapWorks program, as recently as three weeks ago with the help of our MapWorks people I ran a test on the program to see how it interacted with screen reading programs. The two screen readers I tested were; NVDA ,and Natural Reader both were found to work well with the program. However to use the Natural Reader program you must use it in floating toolbar mode and copy and past into it. I hope this information is helpful. Have a great day!!! Scott _____ From: "Larry Kiser" To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 1:55:14 PM Subject: [Athen] Software for Advising, Academic Planning & Retention Colleagues: Our institution is implementing a Quality Enhancement Plan (QEP) that includes a technology component for advising, academic planning and retention. The committee charged with the QEP is beginning a vetting process looking several software programs. My coordinator has ask that I gather information concerning the accessibility of these programs. If you have experience working with the following programs would you briefly comment on any accessibility issue you have encountered with either students or staff. I am also interested in obtain any Voluntary Product Evaluation Templates (VPAT) on these products. Thank you in advance for your comments. The programs under consideration are: MapWorks Epsilen's Advisor Portal Sunguard's DegreeWorks Academic Impressions: Vetting Early Alert Technologies NACADA Clearinghouse on Early Alert Systems Student Success Plan Starfish Early Alert GradesFirst Student Support System Pharos 360 Larry Kiser Counseling Specialist Disabilities Resource Center, S-233 Santa Fe College Gainesville, FL 32606 Phone: 352-395-4429 Fax: 352-395-4100 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Scott MacLeod Assistive Technology Specialist Email: sdmacleo@svsu.edu Phone: 989 964-4054 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Nicaise ----- Think not with your EYES and you shall have a perfect VISION! --- ________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Scott D. Mac Leod Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:58 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Software for Advising, Academic Planning & Retention Hello Larry, I just thought I would pass this bit of information along to you. My university the MapWorks program, as recently as three weeks ago with the help of our MapWorks people I ran a test on the program to see how it interacted with screen reading programs. The two screen readers I tested were; NVDA ,and Natural Reader both were found to work well with the program. However to use the Natural Reader program you must use it in floating toolbar mode and copy and past into it. I hope this information is helpful. Have a great day!!! Scott ________________________________ From: "Larry Kiser" > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 1:55:14 PM Subject: [Athen] Software for Advising, Academic Planning & Retention Colleagues: Our institution is implementing a Quality Enhancement Plan (QEP) that includes a technology component for advising, academic planning and retention. The committee charged with the QEP is beginning a vetting process looking several software programs. My coordinator has ask that I gather information concerning the accessibility of these programs. If you have experience working with the following programs would you briefly comment on any accessibility issue you have encountered with either students or staff. I am also interested in obtain any Voluntary Product Evaluation Templates (VPAT) on these products. Thank you in advance for your comments. The programs under consideration are: MapWorks Epsilen's Advisor Portal Sunguard's DegreeWorks Academic Impressions: Vetting Early Alert Technologies NACADA Clearinghouse on Early Alert Systems Student Success Plan Starfish Early Alert GradesFirst Student Support System Pharos 360 Larry Kiser Counseling Specialist Disabilities Resource Center, S-233 Santa Fe College Gainesville, FL 32606 Phone: 352-395-4429 Fax: 352-395-4100 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Scott MacLeod Assistive Technology Specialist Email: sdmacleo@svsu.edu Phone: 989 964-4054 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Nicaise ----- Think not with your EYES and you shall have a perfect VISION! --- _____ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Scott D. Mac Leod Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:58 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Software for Advising, Academic Planning & Retention Hello Larry, I just thought I would pass this bit of information along to you. My university the MapWorks program, as recently as three weeks ago with the help of our MapWorks people I ran a test on the program to see how it interacted with screen reading programs. The two screen readers I tested were; NVDA ,and Natural Reader both were found to work well with the program. However to use the Natural Reader program you must use it in floating toolbar mode and copy and past into it. I hope this information is helpful. Have a great day!!! Scott _____ From: "Larry Kiser" To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 1:55:14 PM Subject: [Athen] Software for Advising, Academic Planning & Retention Colleagues: Our institution is implementing a Quality Enhancement Plan (QEP) that includes a technology component for advising, academic planning and retention. The committee charged with the QEP is beginning a vetting process looking several software programs. My coordinator has ask that I gather information concerning the accessibility of these programs. If you have experience working with the following programs would you briefly comment on any accessibility issue you have encountered with either students or staff. I am also interested in obtain any Voluntary Product Evaluation Templates (VPAT) on these products. Thank you in advance for your comments. The programs under consideration are: MapWorks Epsilen's Advisor Portal Sunguard's DegreeWorks Academic Impressions: Vetting Early Alert Technologies NACADA Clearinghouse on Early Alert Systems Student Success Plan Starfish Early Alert GradesFirst Student Support System Pharos 360 Larry Kiser Counseling Specialist Disabilities Resource Center, S-233 Santa Fe College Gainesville, FL 32606 Phone: 352-395-4429 Fax: 352-395-4100 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Scott MacLeod Assistive Technology Specialist Email: sdmacleo@svsu.edu Phone: 989 964-4054 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We have taken the information from the listening sessions as well as all the input received through various stakeholder meetings and pulled together a framework for the next phase in our efforts to improve Section 508 management. That*s where you come in. Before proceeding further with development of the strategic plan, we are seeking your input and expertise. Taking into account ideas from all the stakeholders we*ve met with so far, we posted a strategy document on www.section508.ideascale.com [ http://www.section508.ideascale.com ]. http://section508.ideascale.com/a/panel.do We are seeking your comments on what has been proposed, encouraging you to propose broad management strategies, tactics, and actions than can ultimately hep Federal agencies better comply with Section 508. Select this link for more information about the goals for this dialogue ( http://section508strategy.ideascale.com/a/pages/dialogue ) and the next steps to be completed when this dialogue ends on April 9, 2012. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grubaugh at sfsu.edu Mon Mar 19 13:59:41 2012 From: grubaugh at sfsu.edu (Bill Grubaugh) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] National Dialogue on Improving the Section 508 Program Message-ID: Whitehouse blog on Accessibility and 508 URL http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/03/19/implementing-section-508-improving-access-government-information-and-data-persons-di Checkout the link to Access Board's [National dialogue] 'Idea Scale' Website "We are seeking your input and expertise on how we can improve management of the Section 508 program within the Federal government". Idea Scale. URL http://section508.ideascale.com/ Thanks for the Heads Up Debby Kaplan :-) Bill Grubaugh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aweiss at naropa.edu Mon Mar 19 16:22:03 2012 From: aweiss at naropa.edu (Alicia Weiss) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] E-portfolio Accessibility Message-ID: <4AABC4B50E95B8488B1E11234597B1C41844EE@DC-NAROPAEX10.naropa.edu> Greetings. Can anyone recommend one or more e-portfolio software programs/vendors with strong marks for accessibility? Thanks in advance, Alicia Alicia J. Weiss Disability Services Coordinator "Nothing About Us Without Us" Naropa University 2130 Arapahoe Avenue Boulder, CO 80302 Phone: 303-245-4749 Fax: 303:-245-4795 aweiss@naropa.edu ?We are no longer asking for charity. We are demanding our rights!? -Ed Roberts, international leader and educator in the independent living and disability rights movements, upon the signing of Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973. From gdietrich at htctu.net Tue Mar 20 08:31:59 2012 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Repost: Job opening Message-ID: <49ACC9ECDB0440D8856578A3F02A2EA1@htctu.fhda.edu> Mission College in Santa Clara is hiring a director of DSPS. The position is posted for 4 weeks with a close date of Monday, April 16th. The URL to the job posting is: https://wvm.peopleadmin.com/postings/2100 Description: Description: D:\Users\cheryl.miller\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.Outlook\CW50FY4O\Capture.PNG Cheryl Miller, Coordinator Disability and Educational Support Program (408- 741-2620 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The position is posted for 4 weeks with a close date of Monday, April 16th. The URL to the job posting is: https://wvm.peopleadmin.com/postings/2100 Description: Description: D:\Users\cheryl.miller\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.Outlook\CW50FY4O\Capture.PNG Cheryl Miller, Coordinator Disability and Educational Support Program (408- 741-2620 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 73 bytes Desc: not available URL: From winkharner at mesacc.edu Tue Mar 20 08:49:44 2012 From: winkharner at mesacc.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Repost: Job opening In-Reply-To: <002f01cd06b0$5edb6620$1c923260$@edu> References: <49ACC9ECDB0440D8856578A3F02A2EA1@htctu.fhda.edu> <002f01cd06b0$5edb6620$1c923260$@edu> Message-ID: <005001cd06b1$1275a3d0$3760eb70$@edu> Sorry everyone. I was trying to be funny this morning and it wasn't funny. I haven't had enough coffee yet. I beg your forgiveness. Wink PS I'm working on extra coffee right now. From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:45 AM To: gdietrich@htctu.net; 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Repost: Job opening Thanks Gaeir. Appreciate your sending this along. Wink PS when "my" job is posted at MCC, I'll send it to you for distribution to the list. Laughing out loud! So kidding! From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:32 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'; 'Disabled Student Services in Higher Education' Subject: [Athen] Repost: Job opening Mission College in Santa Clara is hiring a director of DSPS. The position is posted for 4 weeks with a close date of Monday, April 16th. The URL to the job posting is: https://wvm.peopleadmin.com/postings/2100 Description: Description: D:\Users\cheryl.miller\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Content.Outlook\CW50FY4O\Capture.PNG Cheryl Miller, Coordinator Disability and Educational Support Program (408- 741-2620 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 73 bytes Desc: not available URL: From winkharner at mesacc.edu Tue Mar 20 09:11:29 2012 From: winkharner at mesacc.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: graphing calculators & Dragon Message-ID: <008401cd06b4$161e0b00$425a2100$@edu> Am forwarding a report that I provided to Robert Kindya at USF regarding Dragon & audible graphing calculators. Some of you may find this useful. Wink From: Kindya, Robert E. [mailto:RKindya@usf.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:15 AM To: Wink Harner Subject: RE: graphing calculators & Dragon Hi Ms. Harner, Thank you very much for the information. I am going to check WinTriangle out later today along with the other recommendations that I received. Additionally, thanks so much for the information on all of the other products - you must have a lot of experience assisting with math J Best regards, Robert Kindya From: Wink Harner [mailto:winkharner@mesacc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:36 PM To: Kindya, Robert E. Cc: Wink Harner Subject: graphing calculators & Dragon I did a beta test run using Dragon Naturally Speaking and desmos.com online graphing calculator software. Dragon does a good job with selecting the command buttons. I'll work on it over the weekend to find out if I can get it to actually do any graphing itself and let you know. WinTriangle is another resource you might want to look into. It's a freebie and it is also an audible graphing calculator - you can download the software. Here is a link: http://www.wintriangle.com/. This is software designed for the blind, however it is a really good job with graphing and I will experiment with whether or not Dragon will work with it. In Equation Grapher, by clicking in the text boxes below the Y equals formula, Dragon will enter numbers. Foo Plot does not work at all with Dragon. Function Grapher would work if you used the math type plug-in for Microsoft Word and did a cut and paste. G Calc does not work with Dragon at all. Graphing calculator looks beautiful - doesn't work with Dragon at all. Graphical Function Explorer not only allows you to use the spell function and Dragon in the text box, but there is a list of vocabulary below to refer to. This one looks good and is easy enough to use as far as I can tell with Dragon. Geogebra - does not work with Dragon. Cool math did not work Graph Sketch - you can enter the X & Y axes values in Dragon and click to select colors. I got through 11 of the 19 that were recommended. I'll let you know if there are more in the list. We are off the rest of the week for spring break but you may hear from me over the weekend :-) I am also working on the add-on software called Voice Power which adds some 10,000 commands to Dragon. This one I don't think I can help you with quick enough for what you need for your student :-). Ms. Wink Harner Project Support OSHA - NU6 119 Mesa Community College 1833 W. Southern Avenue Mesa AZ 85202 480-461-7448 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hascherdss at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 12:31:13 2012 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:49 2018 Subject: [Athen] Tracking software for test scheduling Message-ID: Good afternoon, ATHENians! For those of you who have a testing center where you do test proctoring, would you share information regarding the software that you are using to track the process? We're looking at opening a testing center and are going to have an online entry process for students and instructors. But we are needing a better tracking software than the process we're currently using. Any heads up regarding pros/cons/totally avoid would be MUCH appreciated! Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 479.575.7445 fax 479.575.3646 tdd +++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ron at ahead.org Tue Mar 20 13:27:59 2012 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2007 & 2010 on same computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <021701cd06d7$f1328e50$d397aaf0$@ahead.org> I have done it with both Vista and Windows 7 in both 32 and 64 bit. Seems to work okay though it does take a bit of time to load when you switch from one to the other. It has been a while since I installed them, but if I remember right it worked better if you did 2010 first and then 2007. In both instances I did a custom install with all components installed on the local hard drive. Ron From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:33 PM To: ATHEN listserv Subject: [Athen] Word 2007 & 2010 on same computer Hi All, I know that some of you run both Word 2007 & Word 2010 loaded up on the same machine. I'm trying to run them both on Windows XP, but Word 2010 keeps crashing. If you're successfully running both on the same computer, what operating system is on that computer? I'm guessing XP can't handle it but 7 can? TIA! Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 479.575.7445 fax 479.575.3646 tdd +++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwdward at exchange.vt.edu Thu Mar 15 11:45:09 2012 From: kwdward at exchange.vt.edu (Woodward, Kelly) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking For Books in Braille Message-ID: <4E606C5FE54BD948BA64084498F4B22A76F4957E0C@mirkwood.cc.w2k.vt.edu> Hello All, We are looking for books in Braille for chemistry, astrophysics and modern math for physics majors. We would love to know if you have any material in Braille for a physics major. You can contact me directly if you like. Have a great week. Kelly Kelly Woodward Coordinator of Alternate Text and Notetakers Virginia Tech Services for Students with Disabilities (SSD) kwdward@vt.edu 250 South Main St., Suite 300 Blacksburg VA. 24060 540-231-0858 ssd@vt.edu www.ssd.vt.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Tue Mar 20 13:52:46 2012 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: FW: [Athen] Looking For Books in Braille Message-ID: <93281702DE174E4489CFDBCD99D4EC29@htctu.fhda.edu> Check out the ATPC's Web site. They have wonderful resources for college-level braille readers. www.atpc.net The also produce contract college-level braille, but the best deal is if they already have something in their catalog. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _____ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Woodward, Kelly Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:45 AM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' Subject: [Athen] Looking For Books in Braille Hello All, We are looking for books in Braille for chemistry, astrophysics and modern math for physics majors. We would love to know if you have any material in Braille for a physics major. You can contact me directly if you like. Have a great week. Kelly Kelly Woodward Coordinator of Alternate Text and Notetakers Virginia Tech Services for Students with Disabilities (SSD) kwdward@vt.edu 250 South Main St., Suite 300 Blacksburg VA. 24060 540-231-0858 ssd@vt.edu www.ssd.vt.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Tue Mar 20 13:53:45 2012 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Looking For Books in Braille P.S. In-Reply-To: <4E606C5FE54BD948BA64084498F4B22A76F4957E0C@mirkwood.cc.w2k.vt.edu> References: <4E606C5FE54BD948BA64084498F4B22A76F4957E0C@mirkwood.cc.w2k.vt.edu> Message-ID: P.S. If you are looking for other information about resources for blind science majors, please feel free to contact me off-list. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _____ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Woodward, Kelly Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:45 AM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' Subject: [Athen] Looking For Books in Braille Hello All, We are looking for books in Braille for chemistry, astrophysics and modern math for physics majors. We would love to know if you have any material in Braille for a physics major. You can contact me directly if you like. Have a great week. Kelly Kelly Woodward Coordinator of Alternate Text and Notetakers Virginia Tech Services for Students with Disabilities (SSD) kwdward@vt.edu 250 South Main St., Suite 300 Blacksburg VA. 24060 540-231-0858 ssd@vt.edu www.ssd.vt.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hascherdss at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 15:07:53 2012 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2007 & 2010 on same computer In-Reply-To: <021701cd06d7$f1328e50$d397aaf0$@ahead.org> References: <021701cd06d7$f1328e50$d397aaf0$@ahead.org> Message-ID: Thanks, Ron. According to everything that I've read, the older is supposed to be loaded first. We may end up doing it all from scratch and making sure that we do custom installs. Sigh... Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 479.575.7445 fax 479.575.3646 tdd +++++++++++++++ On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Ron Stewart wrote: > I have done it with both Vista and Windows 7 in both 32 and 64 bit. Seems > to work okay though it does take a bit of time to load when you switch from > one to the other. It has been a while since I installed them, but if I > remember right it worked better if you did 2010 first and then 2007. In > both instances I did a custom install with all components installed on the > local hard drive.**** > > ** ** > > Ron**** > > ** ** > > *From:* athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto: > athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of *Heidi Scher > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:33 PM > > *To:* ATHEN listserv > *Subject:* [Athen] Word 2007 & 2010 on same computer**** > > ** ** > > Hi All, > > > I know that some of you run both Word 2007 & Word 2010 loaded up on the > same machine. I'm trying to run them both on Windows XP, but Word 2010 > keeps crashing. If you're successfully running both on the same computer, > what operating system is on that computer? I'm guessing XP can't handle it > but 7 can? > > TIA! > > Heidi > > +++++++++++++++ > Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC > Associate Director > Center for Educational Access > University of Arkansas > ARKU 104 > Fayetteville, AR 72701 > 479.575.3104 > 479.575.7445 fax > 479.575.3646 tdd > +++++++++++++++**** > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer.atsol at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 14:43:14 2012 From: hkramer.atsol at gmail.com (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Two weeks left to submit proposals to Accessing Higher Ground 2012 Message-ID: *Two Weeks Left to Submit Proposals for Accessing Higher Ground: Accessible Media, Web & Technology Conference ? November 12 ? 16, 2012* * Accessing Higher Ground 2012 is now accepting proposals for its 15th Annual Conference in Westminster, Colorado. AHG focuses on accessible media, universal design, best practices for Web & media design, accessible curriculum, alternate format and other topics related to accessibility in higher education and other environments. The speaker proposal form can be found at: http://www.colorado.edu/ATconference/speaker_info2012.html. View last year?s sessionsto get a sense of the typical agenda and range of topics. If you have any questions about proposal submission, contact Howard Kramer at 303-492-8672 or at the email below. e-mail: ahg@colorado.edu Conference URL: http://www.colorado.edu/ATconference *If needed, a second round RFP will be announced shortly after the April 6 deadline. Note: there is no guaranty that there will be a second round opportunity. -- Howard Kramer AHG Conference Coordinator Access Specialist 303-492-8672 fax: 492-5601 Disability Services Division of ODECE- achieving excellence through diversity and inclusion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winkharner at mesacc.edu Wed Mar 21 15:08:23 2012 From: winkharner at mesacc.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] contact at Adobe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <011301cd07af$21eace40$65c06ac0$@edu> Hi all ATHENITES, I am experiencing software conflicts with Dragon 11.5 & Adobe Acrobat Pro 9.5/In Design. Are any of you aware of any known conflicts and/or solutions? Anyone have any contacts at Adobe who might know how to resolve? Specifically I have been asked to create forms which are form fillable. Some forms can be scanned and converted with form Wizard, some must be created from scratch. When attempting to use Dragon NaturallySpeaking in the edit mode of Adobe Acrobat Pro, Adobe crashes, and work on the document is lost. I first reset the "save every XXX minutes" to ensure that I would lose work in the future. If there is a workaround that anyone knows about, I sure would appreciate it. TIA, Wink Ms. Wink Harner Project Support OHS - NU6 119 Mesa Community College 1833 W. Southern Avenue Mesa AZ 85202 480-461-7448 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer.atsol at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 15:12:43 2012 From: hkramer.atsol at gmail.com (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] contact at Adobe In-Reply-To: <011301cd07af$21eace40$65c06ac0$@edu> References: <011301cd07af$21eace40$65c06ac0$@edu> Message-ID: Hi Wink, You could try Greg Pisocky gpisocky@adobe.com - he's in their accessibility area. Cheers, HOward On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Wink Harner wrote: > Hi all ATHENITES,**** > > ** ** > > I am experiencing software conflicts with Dragon 11.5 & Adobe Acrobat Pro > 9.5/In Design. Are any of you aware of any known conflicts and/or > solutions? Anyone have any contacts at Adobe who might know how to resolve? > **** > > ** ** > > Specifically I have been asked to create forms which are form fillable. > Some forms can be scanned and converted with form Wizard, some must be > created from scratch. When attempting to use Dragon NaturallySpeaking in > the edit mode of Adobe Acrobat Pro, Adobe crashes, and work on the document > is lost. I first reset the "save every XXX minutes" to ensure that I would > lose work in the future. If there is a workaround that anyone knows about, > I sure would appreciate it.**** > > ** ** > > TIA,**** > > ** ** > > Wink**** > > Ms. Wink Harner**** > > Project Support**** > > OHS - NU6 119**** > > Mesa Community College**** > > 1833 W. Southern Avenue**** > > Mesa AZ 85202**** > > ** ** > > 480-461-7448**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Howard Kramer AHG Conference Coordinator Access Specialist 303-492-8672 fax: 492-5601 Disability Services Division of ODECE- achieving excellence through diversity and inclusion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winkharner at mesacc.edu Wed Mar 21 15:18:50 2012 From: winkharner at mesacc.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] contact at Adobe In-Reply-To: References: <011301cd07af$21eace40$65c06ac0$@edu> Message-ID: <012901cd07b0$97f951f0$c7ebf5d0$@edu> Thanks Howard. I really appreciate the contact. Wink From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:13 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] contact at Adobe Hi Wink, You could try Greg Pisocky gpisocky@adobe.com - he's in their accessibility area. Cheers, HOward On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Wink Harner wrote: Hi all ATHENITES, I am experiencing software conflicts with Dragon 11.5 & Adobe Acrobat Pro 9.5/In Design. Are any of you aware of any known conflicts and/or solutions? Anyone have any contacts at Adobe who might know how to resolve? Specifically I have been asked to create forms which are form fillable. Some forms can be scanned and converted with form Wizard, some must be created from scratch. When attempting to use Dragon NaturallySpeaking in the edit mode of Adobe Acrobat Pro, Adobe crashes, and work on the document is lost. I first reset the "save every XXX minutes" to ensure that I would lose work in the future. If there is a workaround that anyone knows about, I sure would appreciate it. TIA, Wink Ms. Wink Harner Project Support OHS - NU6 119 Mesa Community College 1833 W. Southern Avenue Mesa AZ 85202 480-461-7448 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Howard Kramer AHG Conference Coordinator Access Specialist 303-492-8672 fax: 492-5601 Disability Services Division of ODECE- achieving excellence through diversity and inclusion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.sorensen at pcc.edu Sat Mar 24 11:39:03 2012 From: karen.sorensen at pcc.edu (Karen Sorensen) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Criteria for Captioning Message-ID: Pardon my cross-listing this question, but I'm desperate for answers. Hi - We have a growing number of self-produced videos by faculty in our online courses, and we are trying to determine a criteria for what Distance Learning will pay to have captioned and what should be the faculty or departments responsibility. How do other college and universities decide what they pay to have captioned? Currently we require faculty to caption their self-produced media, but this isn't easy to do when it's a Mediasite lecture capture. Plus many of our part-time faculty object to the added workload that this requires, (even with tools like Camtasia 7 that works with Windows 7 voice recognition to make captioning easier). Please share with me your approach to captioning requirements and how you fund it or don't. Thanks so much! -- Karen M. Sorensen Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses www.pcc.edu/access Portland Community College 971-722-4720 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grubaugh at sfsu.edu Sat Mar 24 16:20:30 2012 From: grubaugh at sfsu.edu (Bill Grubaugh) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: athen-list Digest, Vol 74, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: <201203241900.q2OJ0O9M030144@mxout11.cac.washington.edu> References: <201203241900.q2OJ0O9M030144@mxout11.cac.washington.edu> Message-ID: Hi this is not a real direct answer to the question but, you've made me wonder if developers of Online learning systems with lecture capture capabilities might be amiable to offering/including a 'features' suggestion. Propose that captioning tools be bundled into the toolbox of features that a program offers,. This sort of thing is available in some enterprise programs ones that allow Administrators (Independent colleges or districts or Systems at large) to turn on or off the Apps available. Would it be far fetched to have the accessibility piece of the system built into the "save and post" feature of the product it self? That is class is not over until the material is saved and posted in a form that is accessible to all students- present and future? I'll make an effort to talk to some of the developers I've met. Worth a shot - maybe offering feature options along these lines would interest them. Thereafter, - the rest would be up to our educational system administrators, Deans and all within that create original content? Bill Grubaugh Note: Comments within the is communication are viewpoints of the sender and may not express the viewpoints of the SF State. ________________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] on behalf of athen-list-request@mailman1.u.washington.edu [athen-list-request@mailman1.u.washington.edu] Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 12:00 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 74, Issue 38 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman1.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman1.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Criteria for Captioning (Karen Sorensen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 11:39:03 -0700 From: Karen Sorensen Subject: [Athen] Criteria for Captioning To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Pardon my cross-listing this question, but I'm desperate for answers. Hi - We have a growing number of self-produced videos by faculty in our online courses, and we are trying to determine a criteria for what Distance Learning will pay to have captioned and what should be the faculty or departments responsibility. How do other college and universities decide what they pay to have captioned? Currently we require faculty to caption their self-produced media, but this isn't easy to do when it's a Mediasite lecture capture. Plus many of our part-time faculty object to the added workload that this requires, (even with tools like Camtasia 7 that works with Windows 7 voice recognition to make captioning easier). Please share with me your approach to captioning requirements and how you fund it or don't. Thanks so much! -- Karen M. Sorensen Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses www.pcc.edu/access Portland Community College 971-722-4720 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20120324/9ba63be2/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list End of athen-list Digest, Vol 74, Issue 38 ****************************************** From lcaid at mail.wtamu.edu Wed Mar 21 09:18:19 2012 From: lcaid at mail.wtamu.edu (Caid, Lisa M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Online Hiring Systems Accessibility Message-ID: <1A875BA9A02DC243B9BAB532E46C16FA06B993EB@WTVS1.wtacademic.wtamu.edu> Hello, Our Human Relations department is looking at the accessibility of two online hiring platforms, PeopleAdmin and iCIMS. PeopleAdmin is our current provider, and they are upgrading to version 7 soon. The VPAT we've been given for the upgrade is from 2007, and the vendor contact says that he is unsure if accessibility testing has been documented on version 7. The iCIMS vendor contact has provided an accessibility case study and a 508 compliance marketing PDF, but doesn't seem to have a VPAT readily available for its product suite. Would anyone have suggestions for other enterprise online hiring systems that may be accessible, or would anyone have more knowledge of PeopleAdmin and iCIMS accessibility? Thanks very much for any help! :0) Sincerely, Lisa M. 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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 11:18 AM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' Cc: Lopez, Becky Subject: Online Hiring Systems Accessibility Hello, Our Human Relations department is looking at the accessibility of two online hiring platforms, PeopleAdmin and iCIMS. PeopleAdmin is our current provider, and they are upgrading to version 7 soon. The VPAT we've been given for the upgrade is from 2007, and the vendor contact says that he is unsure if accessibility testing has been documented on version 7. The iCIMS vendor contact has provided an accessibility case study and a 508 compliance marketing PDF, but doesn't seem to have a VPAT readily available for its product suite. Would anyone have suggestions for other enterprise online hiring systems that may be accessible, or would anyone have more knowledge of PeopleAdmin and iCIMS accessibility? Thanks very much for any help! :0) Sincerely, Lisa M. Caid Administrative Secretary / Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology West Texas A&M University www.wtamu.edu 806-651-1240 lcaid@wtamu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Sun Mar 25 19:53:23 2012 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Online Hiring Systems Accessibility In-Reply-To: <1A875BA9A02DC243B9BAB532E46C16FA06B994D9@WTVS1.wtacademic.wtamu.edu> References: <1A875BA9A02DC243B9BAB532E46C16FA06B994D9@WTVS1.wtacademic.wtamu.edu> Message-ID: <016c01cd0afb$9ce19170$d6a4b450$@ahead.org> Your post was received fine, it maybe that no one has a response or has not had the opportunity to respond Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Caid, Lisa M. Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 7:18 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu; athen-list-request@mailman1.u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] FW: Online Hiring Systems Accessibility Dear Athen List Administrator, I sent the below request to the Athen listserve this week and haven't seen a post or reply. Am I doing something wrong, or am I not allowed to post to this list? Thank you. Sincerely, Lisa Caid Information Technology West Texas A&M University 806-651-1240 From: Caid, Lisa M. Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 11:18 AM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' Cc: Lopez, Becky Subject: Online Hiring Systems Accessibility Hello, Our Human Relations department is looking at the accessibility of two online hiring platforms, PeopleAdmin and iCIMS. PeopleAdmin is our current provider, and they are upgrading to version 7 soon. The VPAT we've been given for the upgrade is from 2007, and the vendor contact says that he is unsure if accessibility testing has been documented on version 7. The iCIMS vendor contact has provided an accessibility case study and a 508 compliance marketing PDF, but doesn't seem to have a VPAT readily available for its product suite. Would anyone have suggestions for other enterprise online hiring systems that may be accessible, or would anyone have more knowledge of PeopleAdmin and iCIMS accessibility? Thanks very much for any help! :0) Sincerely, Lisa M. Caid Administrative Secretary / Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology West Texas A&M University www.wtamu.edu 806-651-1240 lcaid@wtamu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JElmer at vcccd.edu Mon Mar 26 07:37:36 2012 From: JElmer at vcccd.edu (John Elmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Criteria for Captioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We are using Tegrity for lecture capture. We are fortunate that the Cal. COmm College system has a statewide program to provide captioning for online classes, so, unless that $ runs out [and you've no doubt heard about California's fiscal crisis], it all gets captioned. I have been able to pass that off quite successfully to out Distance Ed staff and they do a great job. John F. Elmer Alternate Media Specialist Educational Assistance Center (DSP&S) Ventura College 4667 Telegraph Road Ventura, CA 93003 805.654.6400, x1278 From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karen Sorensen Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 11:39 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Criteria for Captioning Pardon my cross-listing this question, but I'm desperate for answers. Hi - We have a growing number of self-produced videos by faculty in our online courses, and we are trying to determine a criteria for what Distance Learning will pay to have captioned and what should be the faculty or departments responsibility. How do other college and universities decide what they pay to have captioned? Currently we require faculty to caption their self-produced media, but this isn't easy to do when it's a Mediasite lecture capture. Plus many of our part-time faculty object to the added workload that this requires, (even with tools like Camtasia 7 that works with Windows 7 voice recognition to make captioning easier). Please share with me your approach to captioning requirements and how you fund it or don't. Thanks so much! -- Karen M. Sorensen Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses www.pcc.edu/access Portland Community College 971-722-4720 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Christopher Reeve Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com Making Online Teaching Accessible: Inclusive Course Design for Students with Disabilities by Norman Coombs published by Jossey-Bass Oct 10,2010 http://www.josseybass.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470499044.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Norm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . It's never too late to become what you might have been. George Eliot Once you choose hope, anything's possible. Christopher Reeve Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com Making Online Teaching Accessible: Inclusive Course Design for Students with Disabilities by Norman Coombs published by Jossey-Bass Oct 10,2010 http://www.josseybass.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470499044.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeffreydell99 at gmail.com Mon Mar 26 13:04:35 2012 From: jeffreydell99 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Dell) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] looking for sites specializing in at applications for the Mac In-Reply-To: <003101cd0b7e$c7db3830$5791a890$@uci.edu> References: <003101cd0b7e$c7db3830$5791a890$@uci.edu> Message-ID: A site that I have gotten some good info from is http://atmac.org/ The Blink Radio app from Saratec also has some good audio tutorials listed for Apple products. Jeff On 3/26/12, Robert Espero wrote: > Hi Norm, > > > > Start here: http://maccessibility.net/resources/ > > Apple: http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ > > > > > > Robert Espero > AT/IT Coordinator > > UC Irvine > > Disability Services Center > > > > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Prof Norm > Coombs > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 11:11 AM > To: athen-list-u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] looking for sites specializing in at applications for the > Mac > > > > I am looking for any Web sites where I might find disability-related that > focus for the Mac. I am interested in sites that primarily stress > educational resources as well as more general mac-disability resources. > > Frankly, I am quite ignorant of such resources. > > Norm > > > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > It's never too late to become what you might have been. George Eliot > Once you choose hope, anything's possible. Christopher Reeve > Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com > > Making Online Teaching Accessible: Inclusive Course Design for Students with > Disabilities by Norman Coombs published by Jossey-Bass Oct 10,2010 > http://www.josseybass.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470499044.html > > > > From Kenneth.Elkind at umb.edu Mon Mar 26 14:09:43 2012 From: Kenneth.Elkind at umb.edu (Kenneth Elkind) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] looking for help with VoiceOver Message-ID: <3EA5FBF402FB0E4EAEEAE0C6D21F1DC005408272@ebe1.umassb.net> I am trying to use Mac version of SPSS 20 and VoiceOver. I have a blind post doctorate staff member that needs to use SPSS to complete her PhD. I tried to use of jaws and SPSS with the help of IBM I have not been able to have any success. As result I've installed SPSS, Mac OS 10.6 (snow leopard ) and have been having some success with voiceover. I'm looking for somebody's expertise in working with voiceover I am learning as I go. SPSS an advanced manipulation of voiceover. Please send me an e-mail. I think if I get it to work well all share what I find. Kenneth Elkind Assistive Technology Specialist (617) 287- 5243 Kenneth.elkind@umb.edu Skype User Number: adaptiveumb Adaptive Computer Lab Maximizing Learning Potential Learn about the Adaptive Computer Lab -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 6003 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ron at ahead.org Mon Mar 26 14:22:42 2012 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] looking for help with VoiceOver In-Reply-To: <3EA5FBF402FB0E4EAEEAE0C6D21F1DC005408272@ebe1.umassb.net> References: <3EA5FBF402FB0E4EAEEAE0C6D21F1DC005408272@ebe1.umassb.net> Message-ID: <017901cd0b96$948cae60$bda60b20$@ahead.org> It is most likely not going to work very well. The last time I checked SPSS had not been scripted for VoiceOver Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kenneth Elkind Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 2:10 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] looking for help with VoiceOver I am trying to use Mac version of SPSS 20 and VoiceOver. I have a blind post doctorate staff member that needs to use SPSS to complete her PhD. I tried to use of jaws and SPSS with the help of IBM I have not been able to have any success. As result I've installed SPSS, Mac OS 10.6 (snow leopard ) and have been having some success with voiceover. I'm looking for somebody's expertise in working with voiceover I am learning as I go. SPSS an advanced manipulation of voiceover. Please send me an e-mail. I think if I get it to work well all share what I find. 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Adaptive Tech Coordinator University of Oregon From winkharner at mesacc.edu Mon Mar 26 15:14:52 2012 From: winkharner at mesacc.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] reading pdf in ipad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <017301cd0b9d$dd57c420$98074c60$@edu> Here's a couple of links for PDF aloud resources for IPads in response to James' question... http://paulhami.edublogs.org/2012/02/07/vbookz-pdf-voice-reader-finally-a-simple-text-to-speech-solution-for-pdfs-on-ipad-iphone-and-itouch/ http://www.ipadforums.net/ipad-apps/18260-what-best-text-speech.html Cheers, Wink -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of James L Bailey Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 3:05 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] reading pdf in ipad Hello all, Can an ipad read a PDF and highlight the word being spoken. Ipads are new to me and a student has requested this. Please forgive any cross-posts. Thanks -- Best regards, James -- James Bailey M.S. Adaptive Tech Coordinator University of Oregon _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From svmistric at waketech.edu Mon Mar 26 18:10:54 2012 From: svmistric at waketech.edu (Susanne V Mistric) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Mac Voice Over Resources In-Reply-To: <201203262122.q2QLMnKw021073@mxout14.cac.washington.edu> Message-ID: I think that some of the best web resources for VoiceOver are actually available on the Apple website. You might start with http://www.apple.com/accessibility/voiceover/. You will find a treasure trove of information and excellent tutorials in a variety of formats right there. Speaking of treasure troves... You may especially like Vision Australia's series of at least 30 "Instructional Podcasts for using Mac OS 10.6 (Snow Leopard) with Voice Over" http://www.visionaustralia.org/info.aspx?page=2296 Lots of very handy processes are covered. Here's another that is new to me but looks VERY interesting?MacForTheBlind?recently updated no less. http://macfortheblind.com/ I've just tipped the iceberg experimenting with VoiceOver?on my MacBook Pro, my iPads, and my iPhone. But I am collecting all of the resources I can find as our student and faculty Mac user population continues to skyrocket? somewhere I have a link to a site that posts all of the apps available to VoiceOver. I will be happy to provide that information when I can remember where I stashed it? I hope you find this information helpful! Regards, Susanne Mistric Email correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the North Carolina Public Records law and may be disclosed to third parties by an authorized state official (NCGS. ch. 132). Student educational records are subject to FERPA. From mpthornton at ualr.edu Mon Mar 26 19:04:26 2012 From: mpthornton at ualr.edu (Melanie Thornton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] reading pdf in ipad In-Reply-To: <017301cd0b9d$dd57c420$98074c60$@edu> References: <017301cd0b9d$dd57c420$98074c60$@edu> Message-ID: Thank you for this, Wink. I just installed vBookz and my initial reaction is very positive. Melanie On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Wink Harner wrote: > Here's a couple of links for PDF aloud resources for IPads in response to > James' question... > > > http://paulhami.edublogs.org/2012/02/07/vbookz-pdf-voice-reader-finally-a-simple-text-to-speech-solution-for-pdfs-on-ipad-iphone-and-itouch/ > > > http://www.ipadforums.net/ipad-apps/18260-what-best-text-speech.html > > > Cheers, > > Wink > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of James L > Bailey > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 3:05 PM > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] reading pdf in ipad > > Hello all, > > Can an ipad read a PDF and highlight the word being spoken. Ipads are new > to me and a student has requested this. 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Meanwhile, WCET wanted you to have a rich >compilation of resources to help figure out how this news might help or >hurt you. > >If you would like to start a discussion on this issue, send an email to >wcetdiscuss@wcet.wiche.edu. > >Best of luck in reading the tea leaves!! >Russ > > > >Blackboard Press Releases from March 26 >? >Blackboard >Announces Continued Support for Angel ? this is a change from the previous >?expiration? date of October 2014 for Angel and from Blackboard?s tendency >to eventually discontinue other products has acquired. >? >Blackboard >Acquires Moodlerooms, Netspot ? The Twittersphere was abuzz with opinions >about the acquisition of these two companies, which provide open source >solutions for institutions. Both will continue to operate independently >to support their clients. >o Senior leaders from Blackboard, Moodlerooms and NetSpot signed >a >Statement of Principles affirming that their work would continue a number >of key initiatives currently supported by Moodlerooms and NetSpot, >including contributions of software code to the open source community, >financial support for the Moodle Trust, and continued support for >community gatherings like Moodlemoots. >? >Blackboard >Launches Open Source Services Group ? ?a new effort to support clients >using open source education technologies. With the announcement, the >company will continue to focus on its flagship >Blackboard >Learn? platform >as well as ANGEL and Edline, while also helping institutions successfully >manage open source learning management systems (LMS) including Moodle and >Sakai.? >? >Blackboard >Appoints Sakai Foundation Board Member Charles Severance to Lead Company?s >Sakai Initiatives ? ?a longtime leader and one of the founders of the >Sakai community, to a senior role to lead the company?s initiative on the >Sakai open source learning management system.? >o >Chuck >Severance?s blog posting giving a fairly extensive explanation of why he >accepted this position and his excitement for the future. > >So what does Blackboard have to say about this once you get beyond the >press release-speak? >? Ray Henderson is CTO and President, Academic Platforms for >Blackboard describes their plans in his blog post: >Evolution >Unbound: Blackboard Embraces Open Source ? ? should we expand our >offerings to include multiple LMS products, particularly the open source >products that are now more widely adopted? Our answer is yes. The long >game for Blackboard is to bring the full complement of our solutions >across the student lifecycle to more institutions? >? Michael Chasen, CEO, and Ray Henderson write >An >Open Letter to the Education Community ? ?The high level change is this: >Blackboard is becoming a multiple learning platform company that supports >both commercially developed software as well as open source >solutions.? Why? Two reasons: >o ?First, this shift is the result of the broader perspective that has >come over the past few years as we have updated our vision and mission. >Rather than focusing just on the LMS market, we're looking at the entire >student lifecycle within the education institutions we serve.: >o ?Second, online learning continues to grow all around the world, >applied to increasingly diverse learning challenges every year. As usage >deepens, needs not only expand, they also become more specialized. The >result for education institutions is the need for increased choice among >systems with different strengths and deployment models to best suit their >particular situation.? > >News and Reactions >? >Blackboard >Acquires Moodlerooms, NetSpot (Sacramento Bee article) >? >Blackboard, >MoodleRooms, NetSpot: First Reactions (Inside Higher Ed ? What do you >think post from Josh Kim. >? >Tony >Bates? blog on the new open source service ? love the graphic >? >Blackboard >Buys MoodeRooms & Embraces Open (Getting Smart) ? ?This announcement will >make my OER friends nervous, but I think it has the potential to bring new >investment and energy to open platforms.? >? >You >Can Acquire Open Source Companies, But You Can?t Buy Open Source Community >(Hack Education) -- Charles Severance (aka "Dr. Chuck") is one of the >founding members of the Sakai community Severance is also the author of >the book Sakai: Free as in Freedom. I don't mean to go all Richard >Stallman here, but that's not the F-word that comes to mind with the >Blackboard news today F as in failure, fiasco, flop, for starters.? >? >Blackboard >Inc. Buys Moodlerooms and NetSpot, with Eye Toward Open Source >(Marketplace K-12) ? This is strange news? Blackboard?s academic platforms >CEO Ray Henderson admitted as much in a >lengthy >blog post? ?his is strange news? Blackboard?s academic platforms CEO Ray >Henderson admitted as much in a >lengthy >blog post?because Moodle is both open source and free for users, while >Blackboard is a paid, proprietary product.? > >Tweets (I?m not crediting any of these to protect the guilty, but thought >they gave a good range of reactions >? ?Whaaa???? >? ?the LMS space is just a new platform for an old pedagogy. We >can move past them as educators.? >? ?purely anecdotal, but I don't know of one univ/college that has >switched to Bb lately. Lots *away* from? >? ?Read the #blackboard Statement of Principles but still feeling >nauseous? >? ?Inclined to agree with the "house divided" thinking, but "I >want to believe" that Bb can pull an IBM.? >? ?for me, the question isn't "can Bb be trusted"...but "does this >make economic sense" >? ?In other news, The Empire buys The Jedi Academy; will help >support training in The Force.? > > >Russell Poulin >Deputy Director, Research and Analysis >WCET - WICHE Cooperative for Educational Technologies >rpoulin@wiche.edu >wcet.wiche.edu >303-541-0305 >WCET Twitter: wcet_info >My Twitter: RussPoulin > > >If you would like to remove yourself from this list, send the following >message as the first and only line of text (no signatures either) to: >listserv@listserv.wcet.info >signoff wcetnews . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . It's never too late to become what you might have been. George Eliot Once you choose hope, anything's possible. Christopher Reeve Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com Making Online Teaching Accessible: Inclusive Course Design for Students with Disabilities by Norman Coombs published by Jossey-Bass Oct 10,2010 http://www.josseybass.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470499044.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.sorensen at pcc.edu Tue Mar 27 02:23:27 2012 From: karen.sorensen at pcc.edu (Karen Sorensen) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Criteria for Captioning Message-ID: Hi - Thanks to the folks who responded to my plea for information on how other post-secondary institutions approach video captioning. Please keep it coming. I just want to clarify one thing. Mediasite and ActionSync/CaptionSync (who has a partnership with Mediasite to caption their lecture captures) have been great companies to work with. The convenience of having them just handle the captioning of lecture captures is great. But our college, like everyone else,has a tight budget. We can't afford to outsource the captioning of all our media. We have 1900 online courses, and many of them have large numbers of videos (obviously, not all lecture captures). So we are trying to figure out a way to prioritize what captioning we outsource, what we do in-house, and what do we require faculty to provide transcripts for or even actually caption themselves with Camtasia or online tools (Youtube, Universal Subtitles). Thanks! Karen -- Karen M. Sorensen Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses www.pcc.edu/access Portland Community College 971-722-4720 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ndogbo at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 07:59:56 2012 From: ndogbo at gmail.com (N Dogbo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Blackboard Makes Major Open Source and AngelAnnouncements In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20120326212707.05ee64f8@pop.gmail.com> References: <6.0.3.0.2.20120326212707.05ee64f8@pop.gmail.com> Message-ID: How do people come up with terms like, "blogosphere", "twitterverse", etc ? :) My goodness! :) Nicaise ----- Think not with your EYES and you shall have a perfect VISION! --- _____ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 9:31 PM To: athen-list-u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Blackboard Makes Major Open Source and AngelAnnouncements Subject: Blackboard Makes Major Open Source and Angel Announcements Late in the day on Monday came several press releases from Blacboard. They bought some companies that provide hosting and related services for institutions using open source software. They announced that they will continue to support Angel. They also create an "Open Source Services Group." Below is a compilation of the news from Blackboard, some blog and news articles, and some select choice observations from the twitterverse. I tried to give you a sense of many of the articles by paraphrasing or quoting their take on the issue. Honestly, it's hard to tell what to make of this. I'm sure we'll learn more in the coming days. Meanwhile, WCET wanted you to have a rich compilation of resources to help figure out how this news might help or hurt you. If you would like to start a discussion on this issue, send an email to wcetdiscuss@wcet.wiche.edu. Best of luck in reading the tea leaves!! Russ Blackboard Press Releases from March 26 . Blackboard Announces Continued Support for Angel - this is a change from the previous "expiration" date of October 2014 for Angel and from Blackboard's tendency to eventually discontinue other products has acquired. . Blackboard Acquires Moodlerooms, Netspot - The Twittersphere was abuzz with opinions about the acquisition of these two companies, which provide open source solutions for institutions. Both will continue to operate independently to support their clients. o Senior leaders from Blackboard, Moodlerooms and NetSpot signed a Statement of Principles affirming that their work would continue a number of key initiatives currently supported by Moodlerooms and NetSpot, including contributions of software code to the open source community, financial support for the Moodle Trust, and continued support for community gatherings like Moodlemoots. . Blackboard Launches Open Source Services Group - "a new effort to support clients using open source education technologies. With the announcement, the company will continue to focus on its flagship Blackboard Learn T platform as well as ANGEL and Edline, while also helping institutions successfully manage open source learning management systems (LMS) including Moodle and Sakai." . Blackboard Appoints Sakai Foundation Board Member Charles Severance to Lead Company's Sakai Initiatives - "a longtime leader and one of the founders of the Sakai community, to a senior role to lead the company's initiative on the Sakai open source learning management system." o Chuck Severance's blog posting giving a fairly extensive explanation of why he accepted this position and his excitement for the future. So what does Blackboard have to say about this once you get beyond the press release-speak? . Ray Henderson is CTO and President, Academic Platforms for Blackboard describes their plans in his blog post: Evolution Unbound: Blackboard Embraces Open Source - ".should we expand our offerings to include multiple LMS products, particularly the open source products that are now more widely adopted? Our answer is yes. The long game for Blackboard is to bring the full complement of our solutions across the student lifecycle to more institutions" . Michael Chasen, CEO, and Ray Henderson write An Open Letter to the Education Community - "The high level change is this: Blackboard is becoming a multiple learning platform company that supports both commercially developed software as well as open source solutions." Why? Two reasons: o "First, this shift is the result of the broader perspective that has come over the past few years as we have updated our vision and mission. Rather than focusing just on the LMS market, we're looking at the entire student lifecycle within the education institutions we serve.: o "Second, online learning continues to grow all around the world, applied to increasingly diverse learning challenges every year. As usage deepens, needs not only expand, they also become more specialized. The result for education institutions is the need for increased choice among systems with different strengths and deployment models to best suit their particular situation." News and Reactions . Blackboard Acquires Moodlerooms, NetSpot (Sacramento Bee article) . Blackboard, MoodleRooms, NetSpot: First Reactions (Inside Higher Ed - What do you think post from Josh Kim. . Tony Bates' blog on the new open source service - love the graphic . Blackboard Buys MoodeRooms & Embraces Open (Getting Smart) - "This announcement will make my OER friends nervous, but I think it has the potential to bring new investment and energy to open platforms." . You Can Acquire Open Source Companies, But You Can't Buy Open Source Community (Hack Education) -- Charles Severance (aka "Dr. Chuck") is one of the founding members of the Sakai community.Severance is also the author of the book Sakai: Free as in Freedom. I don't mean to go all Richard Stallman here, but that's not the F-word that comes to mind with the Blackboard news today.F as in failure, fiasco, flop, for starters." . Blackboard Inc. Buys Moodlerooms and NetSpot, with Eye Toward Open Source (Marketplace K-12) - This is strange news- Blackboard's academic platforms CEO Ray Henderson admitted as much in a lengthy blog post- "his is strange news- Blackboard's academic platforms CEO Ray Henderson admitted as much in a lengthy blog post-because Moodle is both open source and free for users, while Blackboard is a paid, proprietary product." Tweets (I'm not crediting any of these to protect the guilty, but thought they gave a good range of reactions. . "Whaaa???" . "the LMS space is just a new platform for an old pedagogy. We can move past them as educators." . "purely anecdotal, but I don't know of one univ/college that has switched to Bb lately. Lots *away* from" . "Read the #blackboard Statement of Principles.but still feeling nauseous" . "Inclined to agree with the "house divided" thinking, but."I want to believe" that Bb can pull an IBM." . "for me, the question isn't "can Bb be trusted"...but "does this make economic sense" . "In other news, The Empire buys The Jedi Academy; will help support training in The Force." Russell Poulin Deputy Director, Research and Analysis WCET - WICHE Cooperative for Educational Technologies rpoulin@wiche.edu wcet.wiche.edu 303-541-0305 WCET Twitter: wcet_info My Twitter: RussPoulin If you would like to remove yourself from this list, send the following message as the first and only line of text (no signatures either) to: listserv@listserv.wcet.info signoff wcetnews . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . It's never too late to become what you might have been. George Eliot Once you choose hope, anything's possible. Christopher Reeve Norman Coombs norm.coombs@gmail.com Making Online Teaching Accessible: Inclusive Course Design for Students with Disabilities by Norman Coombs published by Jossey-Bass Oct 10,2010 http://www.josseybass.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470499044.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winkharner at mesacc.edu Tue Mar 27 09:17:40 2012 From: winkharner at mesacc.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: Captioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004301cd0c35$21f162c0$65d42840$@edu> Dear ATHENites I received an enthusiastic testimonial by e-mail this morning from one of my favorite faculty members here at the college. It took me a long time to convince him/win him over in making his courses accessible. Once I did make headway, it was as if the floodgates released! Now he is one of the biggest enthusiastic promoters of making his online courses accessible. While we all know that there is no "perfect" solution for providing captioning for the videos they show in class, having a faculty member so enthusiastically share their revelation about how easy it is to do some of the things that may courses accessible is refreshing. I am extremely grateful for having won over someone who can also influence so many others by his being willing to share his newfound knowledge and techniques with other faculty! Following are some excerpts of the e-mail I received from him today. Those of you who are curious feel free to contact me off-line and I'll send you the link of to his experiment on YouTube. It may be an interesting look at what possibilities there are for demonstrating to others a simple technique that faculty can do on their own to make courses more accessible. "Wink: I have been working to freshen up my web pages for my two online classes, and I have been struggling with the issue of making sure that I have transcripts for all video clips that don't come with closed captions. Last night, I had a major revelation. Forgive me if you know all this already, but I was wondering if you had looked at the way YouTube allows people to add closed captions to their own videos. What I didn't know is that all you need is a transcript file. YouTube takes care of the timings! It's a little video I have prepared for my course, and I had a transcript all prepared. The rest was, as they say, cake. Again: If I am telling you what you already know, forgive me, but I had absolutely no idea it was going to be this easy. Did everybody in the world know this and I just didn't get the message? Strikes me that we should be promoting this tool since we've started using YouTube for streaming our own videos. Anyway, just wondered if you knew." I have already thanked him for his enthusiasm and for sharing this. I hope his enthusiasm is contagious! Blessings all Wink Ms. Wink Harner Project Support OHS - NU6 119 Mesa Community College 1833 W. Southern Avenue Mesa AZ 85202 winkharner@mesacc.edu 480-461-7448 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikegibson at boisestate.edu Tue Mar 27 11:06:28 2012 From: mikegibson at boisestate.edu (Mike Gibson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility with Blackboard and Secure Exam Browser Message-ID: <0ca8e9b91a78a855bb3fa228b82a1ffe@mail.gmail.com> Afternoon all, The testing center on our campus is finally willing to consider providing accessible testing accomodations to ZoomText and JAWS users, (something I have been pushing to move out of the DRC for quite awhile). They are using Secure Exam Browser for all Blackboard exams. This basically locks down the computer so the only thing that can be done is log into Blackboard and take the exam and nothing else. As a part of the lock down it also locks out most keyboard shortcuts A JAWS user would find essential like insert+F7, alt+F4, just to name a couple. Has anyone successfully implemented JAWS access via this browser? What contortions did you have to go through in order to make it acessible? Are there any acceptable alternatives to Secure Exam Browser? My first impulse is to tell them to dump the browser when it comes to accessible testing, but I want to at least demonstrate a good faith efert of finding a solution. Thanks in advance. Mike Mike Gibson Assistive Technology Coordinator Boise State University Disability Resource Center 1910 University Dr. Boise, ID 83725-1375 O: (208) 426-1583 F: (208) 426-3785 Email: mikegibson@boisestate.edu From winkharner at mesacc.edu Tue Mar 27 11:32:34 2012 From: winkharner at mesacc.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: youtube captions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a001cd0c47$fa256b20$ee704160$@edu> Here are the instructions, Keith, et al in ATHEN-land: Actually, YouTube's own materials are very good. Here's the page with the instructions: http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en &answer=100077 On that page is a link to this page, which explains what the text file should look like: http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en &answer=166810 And, of course, there's a YouTube video that demonstrates the process: http://youtu.be/hpfYsWcAGNM Man, is this easy! (Richard's words!). Wink Ms. Wink Harner Project Support OHS - NU6 119 Mesa Community College 1833 W. Southern Avenue Mesa AZ 85202 480-461-7448 From: Keith Kolander [mailto:KKolander@stchas.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 9:41 AM To: 'winkharner@mesacc.edu' Subject: youtube captions Hi Wink, If you have the specific steps he used and would like to share that, I would appreciate that. I haven't tried it myself yet. (We have Camtasia and are trying to get faculty to use that, but If YouTube is easy, I am all for pushing that, too.) Thanks for sharing the info. We just added some forms to our college website for faculty to get permission from owners to caption their videos if they are not captioned, and to request help in captioning if they need it. Hopefully faculty will take it open themselves to caption their own videos. Keith Kolander Adaptive Tech St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO 63376 kkolander@stchas.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From PLester at admin.fsu.edu Tue Mar 27 13:03:24 2012 From: PLester at admin.fsu.edu (Lester, Patti) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility with Blackboard and Secure Exam Browser In-Reply-To: <0ca8e9b91a78a855bb3fa228b82a1ffe@mail.gmail.com> References: <0ca8e9b91a78a855bb3fa228b82a1ffe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9660B13B9DFB2D4291E23B4CEA2E092E06F527@fsu-exch-nwr02.fsu.edu> Mike, FSU uses Faronics Insight at the testing center and we use it at our center as well. The program provides monitoring of desktops, the ability to take snapshots of the desktop, ability to lock down a system, and allows one to limit the web or block it without any noticeable alterations to the assistive software used -JAWS, Magic or Zoomtext- at least none that we have noted thus far. The only thing that Insight blocks is the task manager-alt + control+ delete- so that students cannot tamper with the Insight program installed. You can download a 30 day trial to see if this works for your institution. http://www.faronics.com/enterprise/insight/ Patti Lester, MLS, AT Lab Coordinator Student Disability Resource Center Florida State University 874 Traditions Way 108 Student Services Building Tallahassee, Florida 32306-4167 (850) 644-5532 __________________________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail (including the attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C.?? 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please contact me that you have received the message in error, and then destroy it. Thank You. -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Gibson Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 2:06 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessibility with Blackboard and Secure Exam Browser Afternoon all, The testing center on our campus is finally willing to consider providing accessible testing accomodations to ZoomText and JAWS users, (something I have been pushing to move out of the DRC for quite awhile). They are using Secure Exam Browser for all Blackboard exams. This basically locks down the computer so the only thing that can be done is log into Blackboard and take the exam and nothing else. As a part of the lock down it also locks out most keyboard shortcuts A JAWS user would find essential like insert+F7, alt+F4, just to name a couple. Has anyone successfully implemented JAWS access via this browser? What contortions did you have to go through in order to make it acessible? Are there any acceptable alternatives to Secure Exam Browser? My first impulse is to tell them to dump the browser when it comes to accessible testing, but I want to at least demonstrate a good faith efert of finding a solution. Thanks in advance. Mike Mike Gibson Assistive Technology Coordinator Boise State University Disability Resource Center 1910 University Dr. Boise, ID 83725-1375 O: (208) 426-1583 F: (208) 426-3785 Email: mikegibson@boisestate.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From Teresa.Haven at asu.edu Tue Mar 27 13:09:33 2012 From: Teresa.Haven at asu.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility with Blackboard and Secure Exam Browser In-Reply-To: <0ca8e9b91a78a855bb3fa228b82a1ffe@mail.gmail.com> References: <0ca8e9b91a78a855bb3fa228b82a1ffe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41DBE0E04D07504A86D68558FE7BAB6BA1C428@exmbt02.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Aloha, Mike. I've run into the use of Respondus Lockdown Browser in the BlackBoard environment, and it behaves exactly as you describe, as does ExamGuard in the LearningStudio LMS. I talked with Respondus about a year ago and at that time they agreed that it was incompatible with assistive technology and the only solution was to refrain from using the product, which we have done with professors. I generally approach faculty with the information that the secure browser really doesn't provide much in the way of "security" and denies appropriate access to a wide variety of students; I then usually discuss more appropriate pedagogy-based alternatives with the faculty that will help them meet their security and learning goals. Hope this helps, ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. Supervisor, Alternative Format Services Disability Resource Center Arizona State University ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Gibson Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 11:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessibility with Blackboard and Secure Exam Browser Afternoon all, The testing center on our campus is finally willing to consider providing accessible testing accomodations to ZoomText and JAWS users, (something I have been pushing to move out of the DRC for quite awhile). They are using Secure Exam Browser for all Blackboard exams. This basically locks down the computer so the only thing that can be done is log into Blackboard and take the exam and nothing else. As a part of the lock down it also locks out most keyboard shortcuts A JAWS user would find essential like insert+F7, alt+F4, just to name a couple. Has anyone successfully implemented JAWS access via this browser? What contortions did you have to go through in order to make it acessible? Are there any acceptable alternatives to Secure Exam Browser? My first impulse is to tell them to dump the browser when it comes to accessible testing, but I want to at least demonstrate a good faith efert of finding a solution. Thanks in advance. Mike Mike Gibson Assistive Technology Coordinator Boise State University Disability Resource Center 1910 University Dr. Boise, ID 83725-1375 O: (208) 426-1583 F: (208) 426-3785 Email: mikegibson@boisestate.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From PBuchmiller at columbiabasin.edu Tue Mar 27 13:47:38 2012 From: PBuchmiller at columbiabasin.edu (Buchmiller, Peggy) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Criteria for Captioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please reply to the list. Peggy Buchmiller Assistant Dean Student Programs and Support Services Director, Resource Center Columbia Basin College 509-542-4444 pbuchmiller@columbiabasin.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karen Sorensen Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2012 11:39 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Criteria for Captioning Pardon my cross-listing this question, but I'm desperate for answers. Hi - We have a growing number of self-produced videos by faculty in our online courses, and we are trying to determine a criteria for what Distance Learning will pay to have captioned and what should be the faculty or departments responsibility. How do other college and universities decide what they pay to have captioned? Currently we require faculty to caption their self-produced media, but this isn't easy to do when it's a Mediasite lecture capture. Plus many of our part-time faculty object to the added workload that this requires, (even with tools like Camtasia 7 that works with Windows 7 voice recognition to make captioning easier). Please share with me your approach to captioning requirements and how you fund it or don't. Thanks so much! -- Karen M. Sorensen Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses www.pcc.edu/access Portland Community College 971-722-4720 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsuttondc at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 14:34:02 2012 From: jsuttondc at gmail.com (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Training in Austin TX and online: John Slatin AccessU -- May 15 to 17, 2012 Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20120327143117.055b5d38@gmail.com> Greetings, ATHEN members: I thought some might be interested in this training. Note that for the first time this year, Knowbility is offering some of the sessions online. Registration is Open for John Slatin AccessU Join us in Austin on May 15-16, 2012 for John Slatin AccessU, a two-day intensive training conference for web developers and designers, IT managers, policy developers, usability professionals, media specialists, and more! World-renowned accessibility experts will present two full days of classes ? many of them hands-on ? to help you understand the need for inclusive information technology design, improve your skills, and build upon your knowledge with helpful techniques. Choose from four professional tracks to suit your goals and responsibilities: Policy & Administration; Design & Usability; Web Development; and Content. Optional post-conference classes will be held on Thursday, May 17, 2012. Additional events for the conference include the AccessU Meetup, an Accessible Night Out, and even an unofficial happy hour! Kel Smith, a longtime speaker, author and practitioner on digital accessibility, will present the Keynote session on Tuesday, May 15th; to learn more about Kel, visit his website at www.kelsmith.com AccessU Summit Through a partnership with Environments for Humans, a full day of courses chosen from the first day?s schedule will be presented virtually ? allowing you to build your accessible IT skills no matter where you are! Find out more or buy tickets at http://environmentsforhumans.com/2012/accessu-summit/ Registration is Open! Sign up today for the best rates ? early bird discounts are available until April 15! See the AccessU website (www.knowbility.org/accessu) for more details about conference rates, including group discounts. More Information John Slatin AccessU is presented through a partnership of Knowbility, Inc.and St. Edward's University, with the support of David Waldron and the entire St. Edwards Information Technology Department. Visit the John Slatin AccessU Webpage (http://www.knowbility.org/v/john-slatin-accessu/) over the coming weeks for additional information! Want to sponsor AccessU? For sponsor information, contact Carolyn Gibbs, Community Programs Manager, at carolyn@knowbility.org. Follow Knowbility on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/knowbility Friend Knowbility on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/knowbility From Teresa.Haven at asu.edu Tue Mar 27 14:52:17 2012 From: Teresa.Haven at asu.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] accessibility of Matlab Message-ID: <41DBE0E04D07504A86D68558FE7BAB6BA1CE13@exmbt02.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Does anyone have current-day accessibility knowledge of Matlab, particularly its functionality in tandem with JAWS? Their website is not helpful given that it claims to have tested the product with JAWS versions 5, 6, and 7. Thanks in advance, Teresa ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. Supervisor, Alternative Format Services Disability Resource Center Arizona State University ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbailey at uoregon.edu Wed Mar 28 10:30:21 2012 From: jbailey at uoregon.edu (James L Bailey) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Re: reading pdf in ipad In-Reply-To: <201203270431.q2R4VNIj017950@mxout11.cac.washington.edu> References: <201203270431.q2R4VNIj017950@mxout11.cac.washington.edu> Message-ID: <2a90551a28b0a1da7800d4a015ecf0f9@uoregon.edu> Thanks for the links, Wink! --- Best regards, James -- James Bailey M.S. Adaptive Tech Coordinator University of Oregon > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:14:52 -0700 > From: Wink Harner > Subject: RE: [Athen] reading pdf in ipad > To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" > > Message-ID: <017301cd0b9d$dd57c420$98074c60$@edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Here's a couple of links for PDF aloud resources for IPads in > response to > James' question... > > > http://paulhami.edublogs.org/2012/02/07/vbookz-pdf-voice-reader-finally-a-simple-text-to-speech-solution-for-pdfs-on-ipad-iphone-and-itouch/ > > > http://www.ipadforums.net/ipad-apps/18260-what-best-text-speech.html > > > Cheers, > > Wink > From ron at ahead.org Wed Mar 28 10:30:43 2012 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] White House Champions of Change: Science, Technology, Engineering and Math (STEM) for People with Disabilities Message-ID: <007201cd0d08$819f90b0$84deb210$@ahead.org> FYI http://www.whitehouse.gov/webform/white-house-champions-change-science-techn ology-engineering-and-math-stem-people-disabilitie White House Champions of Change: Science, Technology, Engineering and Math (STEM) for People with Disabilities The White House Champions of Change program highlights the stories and examples of citizens across the country that represent President Obama's vision of out-innovating, out-educating, and out-building the rest of the world through projects and initiatives that move their communities forward. Each week, the Office of Public Engagement (OPE) hosts an event to honor those who are "Winning the Future" and further empower and inspire other members of their respective communities. Agency representatives and White House Policy Offices participate in the events and host discussions on amplifying best practices learned in each area. This May, the Departments of Education and Labor along with the White House Office of Public Engagement will host a Champions of Change to highlight individuals, organizations, schools, or companies that are making a positive impact in science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) for people with disabilities in the areas of employment and education. For example, a Champion's work may entail: Hiring people with disabilities in STEM fields Making STEM materials accessible for people with disabilities Advancing educational opportunities for people with disabilities in STEM Promoting STEM opportunities for people with disabilities Developing programs or initiatives that change attitudes about STEM for people with disabilities Inventing STEM products for people with disabilities Please submit nominations by midnight on April 7 by utilizing this form. Please note that multiple submissions do not increase likelihood of being selected. From maryz at MIT.EDU Wed Mar 28 10:34:10 2012 From: maryz at MIT.EDU (Mary J Ziegler) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Webinar - Accessibility and Usability: Working Together at MIT Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, I'd like to call your attention to a free EDUCAUSE Live webinar being conducted by 2 MIT consultants on our Accessibility and Usability team here at MIT. Regards, Mary EDUCAUSE Live! Webinar : Accessibility and Usability: Working Together at MIT Date: April 4, 2012 Time: 1:00 - 2:00 p.m. ET Moderator: Marc Hoit, Vice Chancellor and CIO, North Carolina State University Speakers: Stephani Roberts, Web Accessibility Consultant, MIT Katherine Wahl, Usability Consultant, MIT Summary The usability and accessibility teams in MIT's Department of Information Services and Technology have always worked closely together, but were formally merged during a department-wide reorganization in 2009. The goal in blending the teams was to provide a comprehensive service to clients without diluting individual practices. Over two years, we have strengthened our ability to advocate persuasively for both usability and accessibility with clients. We've also seen fewer projects slip through the cracks and observed standards applied more consistently. The merge has provided a greater understanding of why the two practices belong together, how this can happen, and the importance of commitment from administrative leadership. To register, go to http://net.educause.edu/LIVE1209 ---------------- Mary J. Ziegler IT Manager, Accessibility and Usability MIT Information Services and Technology (IS&T) ATIC Room 7-143 617.258.9328 maryz@mit.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winkharner at mesacc.edu Wed Mar 28 10:35:54 2012 From: winkharner at mesacc.edu (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Re: reading pdf in ipad In-Reply-To: <2a90551a28b0a1da7800d4a015ecf0f9@uoregon.edu> References: <201203270431.q2R4VNIj017950@mxout11.cac.washington.edu> <2a90551a28b0a1da7800d4a015ecf0f9@uoregon.edu> Message-ID: <005f01cd0d09$39cb1650$ad6142f0$@edu> Always a pleasure to help! Wink -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of James L Bailey Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:30 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Re: reading pdf in ipad Thanks for the links, Wink! --- Best regards, James -- James Bailey M.S. Adaptive Tech Coordinator University of Oregon > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:14:52 -0700 > From: Wink Harner > Subject: RE: [Athen] reading pdf in ipad > To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" > > Message-ID: <017301cd0b9d$dd57c420$98074c60$@edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Here's a couple of links for PDF aloud resources for IPads in response > to James' question... > > > http://paulhami.edublogs.org/2012/02/07/vbookz-pdf-voice-reader-finall > y-a-simple-text-to-speech-solution-for-pdfs-on-ipad-iphone-and-itouch/ > > > http://www.ipadforums.net/ipad-apps/18260-what-best-text-speech.html > > > Cheers, > > Wink > _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From normajean.brand at hccs.edu Wed Mar 28 11:23:01 2012 From: normajean.brand at hccs.edu (Normajean.Brand) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] McGraw-Hill's Connect / LearnSmart Message-ID: <18AB6E837CD5444FAECD90FCCDBFF54509267C@sy-facmbx01.ad.hccs.edu> Hello Fellow Athenites! I've been searching the archives for information on the accessibility of McGraw-Hill's Connect and LearnSmart, and the closest message was from Shelly Haven back in January. Has anyone had the opportunity to test these with JAWS or other AT? Our college is really pushing for more content using Connect, LearnSmart and Pearson's My_(insert discipline here)_Lab. I do not have enough command of JAWS to really test the accessibility of these, but I have students who do and I am getting the feedback that neither publisher's software is accessible to them using JAWS. I've watched as these students struggle with trying to make JAWS work in those environments without much or any success. Now, I get an email asking me to assess the accessibility and report any findings of Connect and LearnSmart by this afternoon for a major faculty-run workshop (non-faculty not invited) tomorrow at 9a.m. Do any of you have any suggestions or personal experience findings that I can give them? NJ Brand, ATAC Houston Community College-Northwest ADA Technician Technology and Instructional Computing Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://northwest.hccs.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Mar 28 12:03:33 2012 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: McGraw-Hill's Connect / LearnSmart In-Reply-To: <18AB6E837CD5444FAECD90FCCDBFF54509267C@sy-facmbx01.ad.hccs.edu> References: <18AB6E837CD5444FAECD90FCCDBFF54509267C@sy-facmbx01.ad.hccs.edu> Message-ID: <5F4BCCFEE529324F96A13202E9C203180488CBB3B2@orion.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> I have a student this semester "trying" to use Connect with JAWS and Window-Eyes in an accounting class. The picture is not pretty. On the quizzes, it is not possible to adjust the time for one student. Everybody gets the same amount of time. This means it is not possible to allow extra time as an accommodation. I have talked with the tech support folks at McGraw-Hill on this and that is their final answer. There are many exercises/problems that require using drag and drop manipulation to answer the problems. The student is supposed to click on the correct answer and drag it into the correct box on the form. These are not accessible for screen readers. Many of the problems require typing answers into edit fields or selecting answers from combo boxes. Some of these read correctly but many do not. We do seem to have better results with JAWS than Window-Eyes, but even that is poor. Sorry the outlook is not better. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Normajean.Brand Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 1:23 PM To: ATHEN Subject: [Athen] McGraw-Hill's Connect / LearnSmart Hello Fellow Athenites! I've been searching the archives for information on the accessibility of McGraw-Hill's Connect and LearnSmart, and the closest message was from Shelly Haven back in January. Has anyone had the opportunity to test these with JAWS or other AT? Our college is really pushing for more content using Connect, LearnSmart and Pearson's My_(insert discipline here)_Lab. I do not have enough command of JAWS to really test the accessibility of these, but I have students who do and I am getting the feedback that neither publisher's software is accessible to them using JAWS. I've watched as these students struggle with trying to make JAWS work in those environments without much or any success. Now, I get an email asking me to assess the accessibility and report any findings of Connect and LearnSmart by this afternoon for a major faculty-run workshop (non-faculty not invited) tomorrow at 9a.m. Do any of you have any suggestions or personal experience findings that I can give them? NJ Brand, ATAC Houston Community College-Northwest ADA Technician Technology and Instructional Computing Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://northwest.hccs.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From normajean.brand at hccs.edu Wed Mar 28 12:38:38 2012 From: normajean.brand at hccs.edu (Normajean.Brand) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: Captioning In-Reply-To: <004301cd0c35$21f162c0$65d42840$@edu> References: <004301cd0c35$21f162c0$65d42840$@edu> Message-ID: <18AB6E837CD5444FAECD90FCCDBFF54509272F@sy-facmbx01.ad.hccs.edu> Hi Wink! This is sooooo encouraging! Please, when you have a minute to do so, send me the link to your marvelous, and converted, professor's experiment on YouTube. Thanks again for offering his link. Norma Jean NJ Brand, ATAC Houston Community College-Northwest ADA Technician Technology and Instructional Computing Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://northwest.hccs.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 11:18 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] RE: Captioning Dear ATHENites I received an enthusiastic testimonial by e-mail this morning from one of my favorite faculty members here at the college. It took me a long time to convince him/win him over in making his courses accessible. Once I did make headway, it was as if the floodgates released! Now he is one of the biggest enthusiastic promoters of making his online courses accessible. While we all know that there is no "perfect" solution for providing captioning for the videos they show in class, having a faculty member so enthusiastically share their revelation about how easy it is to do some of the things that may courses accessible is refreshing. I am extremely grateful for having won over someone who can also influence so many others by his being willing to share his newfound knowledge and techniques with other faculty! Following are some excerpts of the e-mail I received from him today. Those of you who are curious feel free to contact me off-line and I'll send you the link of to his experiment on YouTube. It may be an interesting look at what possibilities there are for demonstrating to others a simple technique that faculty can do on their own to make courses more accessible. "Wink: I have been working to freshen up my web pages for my two online classes, and I have been struggling with the issue of making sure that I have transcripts for all video clips that don't come with closed captions. Last night, I had a major revelation. Forgive me if you know all this already, but I was wondering if you had looked at the way YouTube allows people to add closed captions to their own videos. What I didn't know is that all you need is a transcript file. YouTube takes care of the timings! It's a little video I have prepared for my course, and I had a transcript all prepared. The rest was, as they say, cake. Again: If I am telling you what you already know, forgive me, but I had absolutely no idea it was going to be this easy. Did everybody in the world know this and I just didn't get the message? Strikes me that we should be promoting this tool since we've started using YouTube for streaming our own videos. Anyway, just wondered if you knew." I have already thanked him for his enthusiasm and for sharing this. I hope his enthusiasm is contagious! Blessings all Wink Ms. Wink Harner Project Support OHS - NU6 119 Mesa Community College 1833 W. Southern Avenue Mesa AZ 85202 winkharner@mesacc.edu 480-461-7448 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Right now my suggestion is, unless you want to be in Penn State's shoes, don't adopt products like these and tell the companies why so that they can decide whether they want to comply with accessibility regulations or lose customers. I know many faculty and administrators don't want to hear that message, but we can keep trying to push it. Good luck! Teresa ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. Supervisor, Alternative Format Services Disability Resource Center Arizona State University ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:04 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] RE: McGraw-Hill's Connect / LearnSmart I have a student this semester "trying" to use Connect with JAWS and Window-Eyes in an accounting class. The picture is not pretty. On the quizzes, it is not possible to adjust the time for one student. Everybody gets the same amount of time. This means it is not possible to allow extra time as an accommodation. I have talked with the tech support folks at McGraw-Hill on this and that is their final answer. There are many exercises/problems that require using drag and drop manipulation to answer the problems. The student is supposed to click on the correct answer and drag it into the correct box on the form. These are not accessible for screen readers. Many of the problems require typing answers into edit fields or selecting answers from combo boxes. Some of these read correctly but many do not. We do seem to have better results with JAWS than Window-Eyes, but even that is poor. Sorry the outlook is not better. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Normajean.Brand Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 1:23 PM To: ATHEN Subject: [Athen] McGraw-Hill's Connect / LearnSmart Hello Fellow Athenites! I've been searching the archives for information on the accessibility of McGraw-Hill's Connect and LearnSmart, and the closest message was from Shelly Haven back in January. Has anyone had the opportunity to test these with JAWS or other AT? Our college is really pushing for more content using Connect, LearnSmart and Pearson's My_(insert discipline here)_Lab. I do not have enough command of JAWS to really test the accessibility of these, but I have students who do and I am getting the feedback that neither publisher's software is accessible to them using JAWS. I've watched as these students struggle with trying to make JAWS work in those environments without much or any success. Now, I get an email asking me to assess the accessibility and report any findings of Connect and LearnSmart by this afternoon for a major faculty-run workshop (non-faculty not invited) tomorrow at 9a.m. Do any of you have any suggestions or personal experience findings that I can give them? NJ Brand, ATAC Houston Community College-Northwest ADA Technician Technology and Instructional Computing Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://northwest.hccs.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From normajean.brand at hccs.edu Thu Mar 29 08:14:52 2012 From: normajean.brand at hccs.edu (Normajean.Brand) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: McGraw-Hill's Connect / LearnSmart In-Reply-To: <41DBE0E04D07504A86D68558FE7BAB6BA1F0A3@exmbt02.asurite.ad.asu.edu> References: <18AB6E837CD5444FAECD90FCCDBFF54509267C@sy-facmbx01.ad.hccs.edu> <5F4BCCFEE529324F96A13202E9C203180488CBB3B2@orion.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <41DBE0E04D07504A86D68558FE7BAB6BA1F0A3@exmbt02.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Message-ID: <18AB6E837CD5444FAECD90FCCDBFF545093E6D@sy-facmbx01.ad.hccs.edu> Thank you, Teresa and Robert. You both echo what I've seen with our students. Fortunately the faculty member presenting the workshop is more pro-AT than not, and "gets" that SWDs aren't at an advantage when they have accommodations. I passed your information along to her, and she stopped by the lab to see what we're talking about. She was "horrified" (her word) to know that both publishers were not doing more to assist in making their products more accessible. One more faculty member on our side to take the message forward! NJ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:50 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] RE: McGraw-Hill's Connect / LearnSmart I've had similar experiences testing MyWhateverLab and Pearson's LearningStudio as Robert has had with McGraw-Hill's products - inconsistent or non-existent reading experiences with JAWS, inability to access edit fields, inability to alter exam timings, requirements of drag and drop or other mouse-only input/manipulation methods. So far the suggestions that "tech support" provides for solution are completely useless ("Use Internet Explorer and everything will work fine"). Right now my suggestion is, unless you want to be in Penn State's shoes, don't adopt products like these and tell the companies why so that they can decide whether they want to comply with accessibility regulations or lose customers. I know many faculty and administrators don't want to hear that message, but we can keep trying to push it. Good luck! Teresa ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. Supervisor, Alternative Format Services Disability Resource Center Arizona State University ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:04 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] RE: McGraw-Hill's Connect / LearnSmart I have a student this semester "trying" to use Connect with JAWS and Window-Eyes in an accounting class. The picture is not pretty. On the quizzes, it is not possible to adjust the time for one student. Everybody gets the same amount of time. This means it is not possible to allow extra time as an accommodation. I have talked with the tech support folks at McGraw-Hill on this and that is their final answer. There are many exercises/problems that require using drag and drop manipulation to answer the problems. The student is supposed to click on the correct answer and drag it into the correct box on the form. These are not accessible for screen readers. Many of the problems require typing answers into edit fields or selecting answers from combo boxes. Some of these read correctly but many do not. We do seem to have better results with JAWS than Window-Eyes, but even that is poor. Sorry the outlook is not better. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Normajean.Brand Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 1:23 PM To: ATHEN Subject: [Athen] McGraw-Hill's Connect / LearnSmart Hello Fellow Athenites! I've been searching the archives for information on the accessibility of McGraw-Hill's Connect and LearnSmart, and the closest message was from Shelly Haven back in January. Has anyone had the opportunity to test these with JAWS or other AT? Our college is really pushing for more content using Connect, LearnSmart and Pearson's My_(insert discipline here)_Lab. I do not have enough command of JAWS to really test the accessibility of these, but I have students who do and I am getting the feedback that neither publisher's software is accessible to them using JAWS. I've watched as these students struggle with trying to make JAWS work in those environments without much or any success. Now, I get an email asking me to assess the accessibility and report any findings of Connect and LearnSmart by this afternoon for a major faculty-run workshop (non-faculty not invited) tomorrow at 9a.m. Do any of you have any suggestions or personal experience findings that I can give them? NJ Brand, ATAC Houston Community College-Northwest ADA Technician Technology and Instructional Computing Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://northwest.hccs.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Keith.Bundy at dsu.edu Thu Mar 29 08:15:54 2012 From: Keith.Bundy at dsu.edu (Bundy, Keith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] alternative to onenote that is screenreader friendly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44EE9D8DA1307245901AA185F7924F841B443665@dsu-ex02.dsu.local> I am also interested in this, particularly from a JAWS standpoint. I have tried Onenote with both JAWS and WindowEyes, and Google is correct. Accessibility is minimally there, but usability is not. Keith Bundy, MS Dakota State University Phone: 605-256-5121 Email: keith.bundy@dsu.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:10 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Cc: Distribution list for EASI Web Conferences, Podcasts and News; Karen McCall, Karlen Communications Subject: [Athen] alternative to onenote that is screenreader friendly >From my googling it looks like Onenote is not compatible with JAWS or any other screenreader. Does anyone have a Onenote alternative they could recommend that is screenreader friendly? In particular, I'm looking for something that will work well with Window-Eyes. 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Teresa On Mar 29, 2012, at 8:16 AM, "Normajean.Brand" > wrote: Thank you, Teresa and Robert. You both echo what I?ve seen with our students. Fortunately the faculty member presenting the workshop is more pro-AT than not, and ?gets? that SWDs aren?t at an advantage when they have accommodations. I passed your information along to her, and she stopped by the lab to see what we?re talking about. She was ?horrified? (her word) to know that both publishers were not doing more to assist in making their products more accessible. One more faculty member on our side to take the message forward! NJ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:50 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] RE: McGraw-Hill's Connect / LearnSmart I?ve had similar experiences testing MyWhateverLab and Pearson?s LearningStudio as Robert has had with McGraw-Hill?s products ? inconsistent or non-existent reading experiences with JAWS, inability to access edit fields, inability to alter exam timings, requirements of drag and drop or other mouse-only input/manipulation methods. So far the suggestions that ?tech support? provides for solution are completely useless (?Use Internet Explorer and everything will work fine?). Right now my suggestion is, unless you want to be in Penn State?s shoes, don?t adopt products like these and tell the companies why so that they can decide whether they want to comply with accessibility regulations or lose customers. I know many faculty and administrators don?t want to hear that message, but we can keep trying to push it. Good luck! Teresa ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. Supervisor, Alternative Format Services Disability Resource Center Arizona State University ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:04 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] RE: McGraw-Hill's Connect / LearnSmart I have a student this semester ?trying? to use Connect with JAWS and Window-Eyes in an accounting class. The picture is not pretty. On the quizzes, it is not possible to adjust the time for one student. Everybody gets the same amount of time. This means it is not possible to allow extra time as an accommodation. I have talked with the tech support folks at McGraw-Hill on this and that is their final answer. There are many exercises/problems that require using drag and drop manipulation to answer the problems. The student is supposed to click on the correct answer and drag it into the correct box on the form. These are not accessible for screen readers. Many of the problems require typing answers into edit fields or selecting answers from combo boxes. Some of these read correctly but many do not. We do seem to have better results with JAWS than Window-Eyes, but even that is poor. Sorry the outlook is not better. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Normajean.Brand Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 1:23 PM To: ATHEN Subject: [Athen] McGraw-Hill's Connect / LearnSmart Hello Fellow Athenites! I?ve been searching the archives for information on the accessibility of McGraw-Hill?s Connect and LearnSmart, and the closest message was from Shelly Haven back in January. Has anyone had the opportunity to test these with JAWS or other AT? Our college is really pushing for more content using Connect, LearnSmart and Pearson?s My_(insert discipline here)_Lab. I do not have enough command of JAWS to really test the accessibility of these, but I have students who do and I am getting the feedback that neither publisher?s software is accessible to them using JAWS. I?ve watched as these students struggle with trying to make JAWS work in those environments without much or any success. Now, I get an email asking me to assess the accessibility and report any findings of Connect and LearnSmart by this afternoon for a major faculty-run workshop (non-faculty not invited) tomorrow at 9a.m. Do any of you have any suggestions or personal experience findings that I can give them? NJ Brand, ATAC Houston Community College-Northwest ADA Technician Technology and Instructional Computing Room RC13 1010 W. Sam Houston Pkwy N. Houston TX 77043 VM/Office: 713.718.5604 FAX: 713.718.5430 Email: normajean.brand@hccs.edu http://northwest.hccs.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Thu Mar 29 12:42:48 2012 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] alternative to OneNote that is screen reader friendly Message-ID: <006501cd0de4$1f5ebf20$5e1c3d60$@karlencommunications.com> OneNote has a lot of accessibility features built in but adaptive technology, including JAWS does not script for it as OneNote was developed for tablet computers. Although OneNote is used by many people not using laptops, adaptive technology vendors are still not supporting it. I've been advocating support for OneNote since OneNote 2003. Since OneNote is a sort of free form writing pad/application, my book on using OneNote from the keyboard offers some tips and techniques for using OneNote but without support from the AT developers, it is difficult to use. I don't know of any other tool or any other similar tool with the accessibility features included other than OneNote. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: March-29-12 11:10 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Cc: Distribution list for EASI Web Conferences, Podcasts and News; Karen McCall, Karlen Communications Subject: [Athen] alternative to onenote that is screenreader friendly >From my googling it looks like Onenote is not compatible with JAWS or any other screenreader. Does anyone have a Onenote alternative they could recommend that is screenreader friendly? In particular, I'm looking for something that will work well with Window-Eyes. Thanks in advance, Howard -- Howard Kramer AHG Conference Coordinator Access Specialist 303-492-8672 fax: 492-5601 Disability Services Division of ODECE- achieving excellence through diversity and inclusion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kevin Chao From tschwanke at studentlife.wisc.edu Fri Mar 30 11:21:00 2012 From: tschwanke at studentlife.wisc.edu (Todd Schwanke) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:30:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Lightning calendar plug-in (for Thunderbird)? Message-ID: <20120330132100234.00000000636@bascp-0239-W> Hi ATHEN: Is anyone aware of an accessibility evaluation that has been done for the Lightning calendar plug-in for Mozilla Thunderbird or have any experience related to its accessibility? Alternatively, does anyone: * Have experience with the accessibility of any other CalDav (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caldav) compatible locally installed calendar clients? (particularly ones that work well) * Have experience with the accessibility of any other CalDav compatible web-based calendar clients? 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