[Athen] RE: athen-list Digest, Vol 74,
Issue 10: Responce/Edit.Typo 508 Responce
Bill Grubaugh
grubaugh at sfsu.edu
Wed Mar 7 11:46:54 PST 2012
Thumbs up to latest edits.
Yep, *equitable* was the intended word.
(Though equable does add a pleasant demeanor [smile].)
Found my typo;
Section E201.1 Scope, fourth paragraph Page 6. - "Section 508
Correct - Section 508 Q&Q" should be, _ Section 508 Q&A_.
Rewrite:
In addition to using 'people first language', the word free, as applied to 'freeware', updates and extends the example provided in the Section508.gov document; Acquisition of E&IT Under Section 508 Q&A.
Bill
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1. Re: ATHEN's response to the section 508 update (Sean J Keegan)
2. RE: ALEKS accessibility (Brusnighan, Dean A.)
3. RE: ATHEN's response to the section 508 update (Humbert, Joseph A)
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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 10:48:09 -0800
From: Sean J Keegan <skeegan at stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update
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Hi Joe,
Sorry for the delayed participation - I have been reprising the role of Florence Nightingale for my family.
Comments:
Page 6, 3rd paragraph:
?Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop to desktop support the software is something that you downloaded for free, something that is by nature of acquisition your property.?
Sentence appears to be run-on. Suggest:
?Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop-to-desktop support. The software you downloaded for free is, by nature of acquisition, your property.?
********
Page 7, 2nd paragraph:
"An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard."
Not sure what is meant by this paragraph. Does it mean there are no standards related to captioning for different media formats? Does it mean that there is no standard method for playing captions? Does it mean there are no standards specific to identifying if the media is captioned? Accessibility data *is* included; it's just that it can exist differently for the same media format.
I am unclear as to what ATHEN's intent is for this paragraph.
********
Page 8, 1st paragraph:
"ATHEN recommends that an advisory be included that defines a relative time frame for Alternate format delivery. For example, ?equally effective and equitable to the nature of the information transmission, update and, storage (i.e. legacy documents, archived databases, and time-sensitive material should be available in an ?equitable time sensitive manner?.)"
Suggest:
Equable is generally defined as "not easily angered, even-tempered" or "calm and steady". Was "equitable" the intended word?
********
All my other issues (specific to the document) appear to be addressed in the latest version sent out by Joe. Looks like a solid document.
Once this gets completed, I have a feeling that there will likely need to be another document from ATHEN/AHEAD providing guidance to educational institutions as to what the refresh actually means.
Take care,
Sean
On 3/7/12 8:28 AM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote:
> Hi Again,
>
> I have incorporated the suggestions from both Aaron and Patrick
> (Thankx) and comments send directly to me from Terrill Thompson and
> Bill Grubaugh. Please keep comments and suggestions coming. New
> draft included
>
> Alterative link to document:
> http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc
>
> - Joe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Burke [mailto:burke at ucla.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:00 AM
> To: Humbert, Joseph A
> Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update
>
>
> * Hi Joe,
> * Looking good!...
> * One question, re this section (bottom of page 6):
> * The Functional Success Criteria (Chapter 3) does not include any criteria specific to learning disabilities. We were unable to come up with a specific recommendation, but I'm capturing this here as a placeholder for further deliberation.
>
> Does this mean it requires further work by ATHEN, or by the Access Board? If meant as a task for regulators, I suggest changing to:
>
> "We were unable to formulate specific recommendations, but effects on populations with learning disabilities deserve further deliberation."
>
> Fun stuff! :) Thanks for tackling this,
>
> Patrick
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Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:14:17 -0500
From: "Brusnighan, Dean A." <dabrus at purdue.edu>
Subject: RE: [Athen] ALEKS accessibility
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Susan,
In our recent testing, we found the ALEKS shell to be accessible, but as soon as the actual math questions begin, not at all accessible.
Dean
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Dean Brusnighan
Assistive Technology Specialist
Purdue University, Young Hall
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Phone: 765-494-9082
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Still not accessible.
Teresa
Gaeir Dietrich <gdietrich at htctu.net<mailto:gdietrich at htctu.net>> wrote:
The last I checked (about a year and a half ago) they were not at all accessible.
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Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich
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Subject: [Athen] ALEKS accessibility
Anyone have information on the accessibility of ALEKS, the math assessment tool? (www.aleks.com<http://www.aleks.com>) This is being rolled out here, apparently, and there are questions being raised. I've never heard of it. Anyone have insight?
Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Coordinator
Disability Services
University of Colorado
303-735-4836
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From: "Humbert, Joseph A" <johumber at iupui.edu>
Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update
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Added the suggestions from Bill and Sean.
Sean, The section below was suggested by Gaeir. I am not totally sure of her intent. Multiple suggestions have modified it over the course of this document's drafting process (today).
Anyone have suggestion's for better language? Gaier?
Page 7, 2nd paragraph:
"An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard."
Not sure what is meant by this paragraph. Does it mean there are no standards related to captioning for different media formats? Does it mean that there is no standard method for playing captions? Does it mean there are no standards specific to identifying if the media is captioned? Accessibility data *is* included; it's just that it can exist differently for the same media format.
I am unclear as to what ATHEN's intent is for this paragraph.
Alterative link to document: http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc
- Joe
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Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 1:48 PM
To: athen-list at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update
Hi Joe,
Sorry for the delayed participation - I have been reprising the role of Florence Nightingale for my family.
Comments:
Page 6, 3rd paragraph:
"Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop to desktop support the software is something that you downloaded for free, something that is by nature of acquisition your property."
Sentence appears to be run-on. Suggest:
"Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop-to-desktop support. The software you downloaded for free is, by nature of acquisition, your property."
********
Page 7, 2nd paragraph:
"An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard."
Not sure what is meant by this paragraph. Does it mean there are no standards related to captioning for different media formats? Does it mean that there is no standard method for playing captions? Does it mean there are no standards specific to identifying if the media is captioned? Accessibility data *is* included; it's just that it can exist differently for the same media format.
I am unclear as to what ATHEN's intent is for this paragraph.
********
Page 8, 1st paragraph:
"ATHEN recommends that an advisory be included that defines a relative time frame for Alternate format delivery. For example, "equally effective" and "equable" to the nature of the information transmission, update and, storage (i.e. legacy documents, archived databases, and time-sensitive material should be available in an "equitable time sensitive manner".)"
Suggest:
Equable is generally defined as "not easily angered, even-tempered" or "calm and steady". Was "equitable" the intended word?
********
All my other issues (specific to the document) appear to be addressed in the latest version sent out by Joe. Looks like a solid document.
Once this gets completed, I have a feeling that there will likely need to be another document from ATHEN/AHEAD providing guidance to educational institutions as to what the refresh actually means.
Take care,
Sean
On 3/7/12 8:28 AM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote:
> Hi Again,
>
> I have incorporated the suggestions from both Aaron and Patrick
> (Thankx) and comments send directly to me from Terrill Thompson and
> Bill Grubaugh. Please keep comments and suggestions coming. New
> draft included
>
> Alterative link to document:
> http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc
>
> - Joe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Burke [mailto:burke at ucla.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:00 AM
> To: Humbert, Joseph A
> Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update
>
>
> * Hi Joe,
> * Looking good!...
> * One question, re this section (bottom of page 6):
> * The Functional Success Criteria (Chapter 3) does not include any criteria specific to learning disabilities. We were unable to come up with a specific recommendation, but I'm capturing this here as a placeholder for further deliberation.
>
> Does this mean it requires further work by ATHEN, or by the Access Board? If meant as a task for regulators, I suggest changing to:
>
> "We were unable to formulate specific recommendations, but effects on populations with learning disabilities deserve further deliberation."
>
> Fun stuff! :) Thanks for tackling this,
>
> Patrick
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