[Athen] RE: athen-list Digest, Vol 74, Issue 14 BG Edit %0* Responce Final

[Ron Stewart]

Thanks all for some very good work

Ron

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Joseph A
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OK folks.

I'm calling time.  I need to make final edits, one more proofing run and
submit before the deadline. Thankx to all those that helped with this
effort. It will get posted to the ATHEN web site as well.


Joe Humbert, Assistive Technology and Web Accessibility Specialist UITS
Adaptive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University,
Indianapolis and Bloomington
535 W Michigan St. IT214 E
Indianapolis, IN 46202
Office Phone: (317) 274-4378
Cell Phone: (317) 644-6824
johumber at iupui.edu
http://iuadapts.Indiana.edu/

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OK this is pushing the limit Pacific Standard time and Eastern Standard
Time.
Noticed my citation error.
Chapter 2 Scoping
last paragraph and citation.
Rewrite inline and also corrected in attached draft submitted in Issue 14.

In addition to using 'people first language' the word free, as applied to
'freeware', updates and extends the example provided in the Section508.gov
document; Acquisition of E&IT Under Section 508 Q&A, Section B Key Terms,
B2i and B2ii; "seat management" service contracts (1).
(1). Acquisition of E&IT Under Section 508 Rehabilitation Act Q&A
2001-2009). URL retrieved from the Web, 03/07/2012:
https://www.section508.gov/docs/Section%20508%20Frequently%20Asked%20Questio
ns.doc

the living end!

Bill

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Today's Topics:

   1. RE: ATHEN's response to the section 508 update
      (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker))


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Hi all,

I too am sorry for jumping in so late - "sick" season has arrived late and
unfortunately hit me this year.

Anyway, I think Sean makes a good point about recommending specific
technology standards and keeping to just the first paragraph.  Sean - For
clarification, were you talking about just getting rid of that middle
paragraph thus keeping the paragraph about DRM?

Joe - I'm attaching another version where I added some grammar suggestions.
Overall, I think the document is nicely written!

~~
Dawn Hunziker
Assistive Technology Coordinator

Disability Resource Center
520-626-9409
hunziker at email.arizona.edu


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The 404 and 404.1 checkpoints require a functional outcome (i.e., a success
criterion) - that being, that ICT shall not remove non-proprietary
information provided for accessibility or restore it upon delivery.

The way I interpret the 404 checkpoints is that it really doesn't matter
what technical method is used to provide accessibility data in media, just
make sure that the relevant ICT does not remove it (or, if appropriate,
restores it).

I think it is beyond the scope of these checkpoints to make recommendations
regarding new media creation and requiring accessibility data to be included
in such content.  That language is already in place in other locations in
the 508 standard.

I think we run into dangerous ground by recommending a specific technology
standard, or by requesting such a standard, as that could result in
limitations to future technology implementations (what happens when someone
comes up with a better standard?).  With respect to an advisory note, I
think we do best if we can focus on the need for a functional outcome and to
include the "advice" as to considerations if using such technology.

I do realize that there is confusion amongst consumers regarding the
identification of either captioned vs. subtitles vs. subtitled for the deaf
and hard-of-hearing, but I am not sure if this is the most appropriate place
to resolve that issue.  Additionally, as long as the accessibility
information is not being removed (and it conforms to checkpoints 409.1.1 and
409.1.2), then do we need technical standards for presenting such
accessibility data?

So, I would keep it brief - perhaps just use the first paragraph?

"An advisory should be included noting that video projection systems may not
include a captioning decoder and that without such a decoder, captions will
not be displayed.  For situations in which a video projection system does
not include a captioning decoder, a separate decoder must be included in the
audio-visual system in order for the caption information to be displayed."


Perhaps I am just beating a dead horse at this point?

take care,
sean



On 3/7/12 12:48 PM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote:

> Sean, how do you feel your suggestion compares to mine?  Replace,

combined, rewrite?

>

> An advisory should be included noting that many video projection systems

do not include captioning decoders and that without decoders, captions
cannot be shown unless there is a decoder somewhere else in the AV set-up.

>

> An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created,

accessibility data must be provided based on a specified standard. For
example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into
consideration. This lack of consideration led to multiple implementations of
providing textual information on-screen by DVD technology manufacturers,
resulting in ambiguity in both the names for these implementations
(subtitles, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, captions, etc.) and
the underlying technologies (Line-21 vs. all the digital captioning and
subtitle formats available). For the consumer, this resulted in uncertainty
of exactly what is being provided when a DVD is labeled as being
"captioned", "subtitled", or other. If the Access Board creates or
references the above standard, the consumer of the media will have a clear
idea of the accessibility data included on it.

>

> - Joe

>

>

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> Sean J Keegan

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> Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update

>

> Okay - that's what I thought was meant.  The sentences "An advisory should

be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data
must be included," and the concluding sentence "There is no standard" seemed
to be speaking to a different issue (and I don't think we want to go down
the road of specifying a technical standard).

>

> Suggested alternative:

> ********

> "An advisory should be included noting that video projection systems may

not include a captioning decoder and that without such a decoder, captions
will not be displayed.  For situations in which a video projection system
does not include a captioning decoder, a separate decoder must be included
in the audio-visual system in order for the caption information to be
displayed.

>

> For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not addressed

resulting in various captioning formats, including Line-21 formatted
captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks.
Even if DVD media included the appropriate accessibility data, it may not
have been capable of presenting such information to the user due to
limitations in the audio-visual playback system.

>

> ********

>

> Thoughts?

>

> Take care,

> Sean

>

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