[Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update

[Humbert, Joseph A]

Gaeir,

I'm not sure that was reflected in our final response.  What is your opinion?  You can email me off list if you prefer.

- Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Gaeir Dietrich [mailto:gdietrich at htctu.net] 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 3:57 PM
To: Humbert, Joseph A
Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update

I assume you no longer need this information, so it's moot.

What I meant was that unlike VHS tapes, which have very clear standards for how to encode captions, DVDs do not have those same clear standards it is a mish-mash or a lot of different strategies. The strategies include encoded closed captions (similar to the standard for line-21 captions on VHS tapes), subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing, and simply additional tracks that can be turned on and off with the menu. Sometimes a decoder is required, sometimes it's not. Very confusing.

So what I was looking for was language that suggests that when new multimedia formats are developed that standards for accessibility be built in at the design phase (i.e., when Flash is being designed, figure out how to make it accessible right then).

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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Humbert, Joseph A
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 11:19 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update

Added the suggestions from Bill and Sean.

Sean, The section below was suggested by Gaeir.  I am not totally sure of her intent.  Multiple suggestions have modified it over the course of this document's drafting process (today).

Anyone have suggestion's for better language?  Gaier?

Page 7, 2nd paragraph:
"An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard."

Not sure what is meant by this paragraph.  Does it mean there are no standards related to captioning for different media formats?  Does it mean that there is no standard method for playing captions?  Does it mean there are no standards specific to identifying if the media is captioned?
Accessibility data *is* included; it's just that it can exist differently for the same media format.

I am unclear as to what ATHEN's intent is for this paragraph.


Alterative link to document:
http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc 

- Joe


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[mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean J Keegan
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 1:48 PM
To: athen-list at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update

Hi Joe,

Sorry for the delayed participation - I have been reprising the role of Florence Nightingale for my family.

Comments:

Page 6, 3rd paragraph:
"Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop to desktop support the software is something that you downloaded for free, something that is by nature of acquisition your property."

Sentence appears to be run-on.  Suggest:
"Our service charge is only related to help desk phone calls, chat, email or remote desktop-to-desktop support. The software you downloaded for free is, by nature of acquisition, your property."

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Page 7, 2nd paragraph:
"An advisory should be included to recommend that as new media is created, accessibility data must be included. For example, when DVDs were first developed, captioning was not taken into consideration, and we have ended up with a confusion of Line-21 formatted captions, subtitles for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing, and subtitle tracks. There is no standard."

Not sure what is meant by this paragraph.  Does it mean there are no standards related to captioning for different media formats?  Does it mean that there is no standard method for playing captions?  Does it mean there are no standards specific to identifying if the media is captioned?
Accessibility data *is* included; it's just that it can exist differently for the same media format.

I am unclear as to what ATHEN's intent is for this paragraph.


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Page 8, 1st paragraph:
"ATHEN recommends that an advisory be included that defines a relative time frame for Alternate format delivery. For example, "equally effective" and "equable" to the nature of the information transmission, update and, storage (i.e. legacy documents, archived databases, and time-sensitive material should be available in an "equitable time sensitive manner".)"

Suggest:
Equable is generally defined as "not easily angered, even-tempered" or "calm and steady".  Was "equitable" the intended word?

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All my other issues (specific to the document) appear to be addressed in the latest version sent out by Joe.  Looks like a solid document.

Once this gets completed, I have a feeling that there will likely need to be another document from ATHEN/AHEAD providing guidance to educational institutions as to what the refresh actually means.

Take care,
Sean



On 3/7/12 8:28 AM, Humbert, Joseph A wrote:

> Hi Again,

>

> I have incorporated the suggestions from both Aaron and Patrick

> (Thankx) and comments send directly to me from Terrill Thompson and 

> Bill Grubaugh.  Please keep comments and suggestions coming.  New 

> draft included

>

> Alterative link to document: 

> http://www.joehumbert.com/ATHEN_Response_to_Access_Board_ANPRM.doc

>

> - Joe

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Patrick Burke [mailto:burke at ucla.edu]

> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:00 AM

> To: Humbert, Joseph A

> Subject: RE: [Athen] ATHEN's response to the section 508 update

>

>

>      * Hi Joe,

>      * Looking good!...

>      * One question, re this section (bottom of page 6):

>      * The Functional Success Criteria (Chapter 3) does not include 

> any

criteria specific to learning disabilities. We were unable to come up with a specific recommendation, but I'm capturing this here as a placeholder for further deliberation.

>

> Does this mean it requires further work by ATHEN, or by the Access Board?

If meant as a task for regulators, I suggest changing to:

>

> "We were unable to formulate specific recommendations, but effects on

populations with learning disabilities deserve further deliberation."

>

> Fun stuff! :) Thanks for tackling this,

>

> Patrick

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