From norm.coombs at gmail.com Mon Dec 2 19:41:44 2013 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] EASI Free Webinar: Accessible Digital Images Message-ID: <529d5316.245fb60a.575f.ffffb31f@mx.google.com> EASI Free Webinar: Accessible Digital Images Dec. 19 at 11 Pacific, noon Mountain, 1 Central and 2 PM Eastern Presenter: Julie Noblitt, Community Manager at the DIAGRAM Center Digital images, especially STEM images (including mathematical equations), can present a significant challenge to students with print disabilities. How can content providers and platforms ensure that digital images are truly usable by everyone? In this session, we will discuss the emerging ecosystem of tools, standards, and research designed to ensure that images are accessible to all online. Julie Noblitt is Community Manager at the DIAGRAM Center, an OSEP-funded R&D center devoted to making it easier, faster, and cheaper to create and use accessible images for students with print disabilities. Register for the Diagram Center Webinar Dec. 199 at http://easi.cc/clinic.htm#december From norm.coombs at gmail.com Mon Dec 2 19:50:19 2013 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] (no subject) Message-ID: <529d54fd.91a13c0a.5c0c.49aa@mx.google.com> EASI Webinar: Accessibility of Electronic Information Databases Used by Libraries Presenter: Axel Schmetzke, University of Wisconsin Steven's Point Library January 21 at 11 Pacific, noon Mountain, 1 Central and 2 PM Eastern Axel Schmetzke presents the findings of his recent research, through which he sought to answer the following question: To which extent do academic librarians consider, or are encouraged to consider, accessibility when selecting electronic information resources for purchase, subscription or licensing? The webinar will conclude with a discussion of best practices and strategies for improvement. Register for the Jan 21 Webinar on library databases http://easi.cc/clinic.htm#january -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MeganShadrick at MissouriState.edu Tue Dec 3 06:31:08 2013 From: MeganShadrick at MissouriState.edu (Shadrick, Megan E) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] PDF accessibility suggestions? Message-ID: <15393BAE3B8F114496030F94072D508380E82ECBE4@ex07-ms3.EDUBEAR.NET> My staff have reported that several of the textbooks we have received for next semester in PDF are only allowing us to make the PDFs accessible page by page. They have been able to get a few to work after several tries but we still have some that aren't cooperating. We are using Adobe Pro to break PDFs into chapters and make them accessible. Does anyone have any suggestions on what we can try? My only idea at this point is to print and rescan the books so we can get them done quickly. Thanks much Megan Shadrick M.S., M.A., COMS Associate Director, Disability Resource Center-Access Technology Center Missouri State University meganshadrick@missouristate.edu http://missouristate.edu/atc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nettiet at gmail.com Tue Dec 3 08:06:16 2013 From: nettiet at gmail.com (Nettie Fischer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] PDF accessibility suggestions? In-Reply-To: <15393BAE3B8F114496030F94072D508380E82ECBE4@ex07-ms3.EDUBEAR.NET> References: <15393BAE3B8F114496030F94072D508380E82ECBE4@ex07-ms3.EDUBEAR.NET> Message-ID: Have you tried saving files after you delete extra chapters? Sorry for sounding confusing; save the whole book, than, copy chapter one or delete chapters 2-10 (example) and save the new file. Open the full book, copy only chapter two and save as chapter 2. Continue until you have a separate file for each chapter as well as the total book. I have not tried this so PDF file may not let you just copy certain pages into a new file. I am curious now so will check when I get to the office. Nettie's Nickel, maybe :) Sent from my iPad > On Dec 3, 2013, at 6:31 AM, "Shadrick, Megan E" wrote: > > My staff have reported that several of the textbooks we have received for next semester in PDF are only allowing us to make the PDFs accessible page by page. They have been able to get a few to work after several tries but we still have some that aren?t cooperating. We are using Adobe Pro to break PDFs into chapters and make them accessible. Does anyone have any suggestions on what we can try? My only idea at this point is to print and rescan the books so we can get them done quickly. > Thanks much > > Megan Shadrick M.S., M.A., COMS > Associate Director, Disability Resource Center?Access Technology Center > Missouri State University > meganshadrick@missouristate.edu > http://missouristate.edu/atc > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kcahill at MIT.EDU Tue Dec 3 08:15:51 2013 From: kcahill at MIT.EDU (Kathleen Cahill) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Question -- exams for low vision student Message-ID: <4599527AD714FA42B45CEDFE81CA397D2C1A31D0@OC11expo28.exchange.mit.edu> Hi Colleagues, We have a number of low vision students in our student population. Most prefer to take an exam using a video magnifier, or in some cases, a handheld magnifier. One of our students prefers to have the entire exam enlarged onto 11x17 inch paper. In the past, she has asked for 18 point font, but the resulting font size can vary depending on the original file. Complicating this matter is math notation on the exam, so even if the base fonts are 18 point font, the superscripts and subscripts are not. Many faculty prepare exams the day before the test, so we have a limited time frame regarding conversion. Do you have any guidelines you follow regarding exam accommodations for low vision students? We are trying to help the student move toward magnification devices rather than enlarged print. Thanks for any ideas you might have. Kathy Kathleen Cahill Assistive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center) 77 Mass. 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Stager Academic Technology Access Coordinator Disability Services / Office of Diversity, Equity, and Community Engagement N234 Center for Community University of Colorado Boulder 303-492-4049 http://DisabilityServices.Colorado.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kathleen Cahill Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Question -- exams for low vision student Hi Colleagues, We have a number of low vision students in our student population. Most prefer to take an exam using a video magnifier, or in some cases, a handheld magnifier. One of our students prefers to have the entire exam enlarged onto 11x17 inch paper. In the past, she has asked for 18 point font, but the resulting font size can vary depending on the original file. Complicating this matter is math notation on the exam, so even if the base fonts are 18 point font, the superscripts and subscripts are not. Many faculty prepare exams the day before the test, so we have a limited time frame regarding conversion. Do you have any guidelines you follow regarding exam accommodations for low vision students? We are trying to help the student move toward magnification devices rather than enlarged print. Thanks for any ideas you might have. Kathy Kathleen Cahill Assistive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center) 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kcahill at MIT.EDU Tue Dec 3 10:20:11 2013 From: kcahill at MIT.EDU (Kathleen Cahill) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: Question -- exams for low vision student In-Reply-To: <83F43AAD78907C4F919AFB7E5E92B4FDD5DB5E4CEF@EXC2.ad.colorado.edu> References: <4599527AD714FA42B45CEDFE81CA397D2C1A31D0@OC11expo28.exchange.mit.edu> <83F43AAD78907C4F919AFB7E5E92B4FDD5DB5E4CEF@EXC2.ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <4599527AD714FA42B45CEDFE81CA397D2C1A4A00@OC11expo28.exchange.mit.edu> Thank you, Cath. Do you ever specify with professors as to font sizes of regular text and super/sub scripts? Kathy From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Catherine Stager Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] RE: Question -- exams for low vision student Hi Kathy, We strongly encourage delivery of exams in latex from our STEM professors. That is hugely helpful for quick turnaround. Another little pointer is to flip the exam to landscape for printing purposes. This frequently helps avoid additional formatting. Did you have other types of guidelines in mind? Best, Cath Catherine M. Stager Academic Technology Access Coordinator Disability Services / Office of Diversity, Equity, and Community Engagement N234 Center for Community University of Colorado Boulder 303-492-4049 http://DisabilityServices.Colorado.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kathleen Cahill Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Question -- exams for low vision student Hi Colleagues, We have a number of low vision students in our student population. Most prefer to take an exam using a video magnifier, or in some cases, a handheld magnifier. One of our students prefers to have the entire exam enlarged onto 11x17 inch paper. In the past, she has asked for 18 point font, but the resulting font size can vary depending on the original file. Complicating this matter is math notation on the exam, so even if the base fonts are 18 point font, the superscripts and subscripts are not. Many faculty prepare exams the day before the test, so we have a limited time frame regarding conversion. Do you have any guidelines you follow regarding exam accommodations for low vision students? We are trying to help the student move toward magnification devices rather than enlarged print. Thanks for any ideas you might have. Kathy Kathleen Cahill Assistive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center) 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From KKolander at stchas.edu Tue Dec 3 11:16:22 2013 From: KKolander at stchas.edu (Keith Kolander) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: Question -- exams for low vision student In-Reply-To: <4599527AD714FA42B45CEDFE81CA397D2C1A4A00@OC11expo28.exchange.mit.edu> References: <4599527AD714FA42B45CEDFE81CA397D2C1A31D0@OC11expo28.exchange.mit.edu> <83F43AAD78907C4F919AFB7E5E92B4FDD5DB5E4CEF@EXC2.ad.colorado.edu> <4599527AD714FA42B45CEDFE81CA397D2C1A4A00@OC11expo28.exchange.mit.edu> Message-ID: <22bf737ef92b42ed9b02fbbb9f235088@BL2PR05MB083.namprd05.prod.outlook.com> No. We just work with what we get. We do try and make sure they give us CLEAN copies..i.e. no smudge marks or handwritten stuff. Screen readers don't like handwritten stuff. We send out notices for the exams a week in advance, but sometimes we don't get them till the day of the exam. Most get it to us within a few days of the exam. I either try to use a copier to bump up the font size a bit. It's kind of a pain doing that. Or, If you have Kurzweil, you can convert it to a TXT file, increase the font, then print it. Keith From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kathleen Cahill Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:20 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] RE: Question -- exams for low vision student Thank you, Cath. Do you ever specify with professors as to font sizes of regular text and super/sub scripts? Kathy From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Catherine Stager Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] RE: Question -- exams for low vision student Hi Kathy, We strongly encourage delivery of exams in latex from our STEM professors. That is hugely helpful for quick turnaround. Another little pointer is to flip the exam to landscape for printing purposes. This frequently helps avoid additional formatting. Did you have other types of guidelines in mind? Best, Cath Catherine M. Stager Academic Technology Access Coordinator Disability Services / Office of Diversity, Equity, and Community Engagement N234 Center for Community University of Colorado Boulder 303-492-4049 http://DisabilityServices.Colorado.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kathleen Cahill Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Question -- exams for low vision student Hi Colleagues, We have a number of low vision students in our student population. Most prefer to take an exam using a video magnifier, or in some cases, a handheld magnifier. One of our students prefers to have the entire exam enlarged onto 11x17 inch paper. In the past, she has asked for 18 point font, but the resulting font size can vary depending on the original file. Complicating this matter is math notation on the exam, so even if the base fonts are 18 point font, the superscripts and subscripts are not. Many faculty prepare exams the day before the test, so we have a limited time frame regarding conversion. Do you have any guidelines you follow regarding exam accommodations for low vision students? We are trying to help the student move toward magnification devices rather than enlarged print. Thanks for any ideas you might have. Kathy Kathleen Cahill Assistive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center) 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Am I overlooking something obvious? :::KimBoo York, MLIS Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator Student Disability Resource Center / Department of Dean of Students Florida State University 108 Student Services Building 874 Traditions Way Tallahassee, FL 32306-4167 850-644-5532 FAX 850-645-1852 kyork@fsu.edu ~email is the best way to contact me~ # -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kcahill at MIT.EDU Tue Dec 3 12:30:35 2013 From: kcahill at MIT.EDU (Kathleen Cahill) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: Problems with JAWS reading a library ebook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4599527AD714FA42B45CEDFE81CA397D2C1A4F68@OC11expo28.exchange.mit.edu> KimBoo, Is the book only readable in Adobe Digital Editions? Some PDFs won't read out loud in Acrobat Reader or in a browser. Many PDFs, especially ones from libraries, need to be downloaded and opened in ADE. To download ADE, go to http://www.adobe.com/products/digital-editions/download.html . I ran into this problem recently. JAWS is supposed to work with ADE. Good luck, Kathy From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of York, Kimberly Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:15 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Problems with JAWS reading a library ebook A professor has told his class to use the ebook copy of the textbook available via our library system from EBSCO Host Full Text database, so while it is a required text they are not required to buy it (honestly I foresee this becoming more common). We have a blind student taking this course who uses JAWS, and would obviously prefer not buying the book if he doesn't have to. However neither he nor I can get JAWS to read the embedded PDF that EBSCO Host uses. I've futzed with settings in JAWS and read the help faq for EBSCO which claims that their viewer is accessible but, eh, not so much in my humble opinion. Has anyone else dealt with this? Solutions? Suggestions? Am I overlooking something obvious? :::KimBoo York, MLIS Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator Student Disability Resource Center / Department of Dean of Students Florida State University 108 Student Services Building 874 Traditions Way Tallahassee, FL 32306-4167 850-644-5532 FAX 850-645-1852 kyork@fsu.edu ~email is the best way to contact me~ # -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greeark at uw.edu Tue Dec 3 13:46:43 2013 From: greeark at uw.edu (KRISTA L. GREEAR) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: PDF accessibility suggestions? In-Reply-To: <15393BAE3B8F114496030F94072D508380E82ECBE4@ex07-ms3.EDUBEAR.NET> References: <15393BAE3B8F114496030F94072D508380E82ECBE4@ex07-ms3.EDUBEAR.NET> Message-ID: I'm not sure what version you of Adobe Pro you are using but in version 11, you can choose to recognize text (Adobe's fancy way of saying OCR) by All pages, Current Page or select a specific page range. This setting is found under Tools -> Text Recognition -> In This File. Perhaps a default setting is causing you havoc. Krista Greear Access Text and Technology Manager Disability Resources for Students Univeristy of Washignton From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Shadrick, Megan E Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 6:31 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] PDF accessibility suggestions? My staff have reported that several of the textbooks we have received for next semester in PDF are only allowing us to make the PDFs accessible page by page. They have been able to get a few to work after several tries but we still have some that aren't cooperating. We are using Adobe Pro to break PDFs into chapters and make them accessible. Does anyone have any suggestions on what we can try? My only idea at this point is to print and rescan the books so we can get them done quickly. Thanks much Megan Shadrick M.S., M.A., COMS Associate Director, Disability Resource Center-Access Technology Center Missouri State University meganshadrick@missouristate.edu http://missouristate.edu/atc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Tue Dec 3 13:57:33 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Problems with JAWS reading a library ebook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <194701cef072$abb61d20$03225760$@ahead.org> The Ebsco Host content will not work with a screen reader. Ebsco has become a problem child! Their portal seems to be okay but their content is for the most part totally unusable by AT users. Your only option at this point would be to convert the book if you cannot find an accessible copy. Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of York, Kimberly Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 2:15 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Problems with JAWS reading a library ebook A professor has told his class to use the ebook copy of the textbook available via our library system from EBSCO Host Full Text database, so while it is a required text they are not required to buy it (honestly I foresee this becoming more common). We have a blind student taking this course who uses JAWS, and would obviously prefer not buying the book if he doesn't have to. However neither he nor I can get JAWS to read the embedded PDF that EBSCO Host uses. I've futzed with settings in JAWS and read the help faq for EBSCO which claims that their viewer is accessible but, eh, not so much in my humble opinion. Has anyone else dealt with this? Solutions? Suggestions? Am I overlooking something obvious? :::KimBoo York, MLIS Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator Student Disability Resource Center / Department of Dean of Students Florida State University 108 Student Services Building 874 Traditions Way Tallahassee, FL 32306-4167 850-644-5532 FAX 850-645-1852 kyork@fsu.edu ~email is the best way to contact me~ # -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Tue Dec 3 14:46:55 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: PDF accessibility suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <15393BAE3B8F114496030F94072D508380E82ECBE4@ex07-ms3.EDUBEAR.NET> Message-ID: <199401cef079$91644620$b42cd260$@ahead.org> This only works in this particular version of Acrobat and does not extend to other versions nor does it back translate. PDF is not an accessible format for any real alt format production purposes due to the these kinds of issues. The Publishing industry wants you to believe otherwise but in reality this is a myth Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of KRISTA L. GREEAR Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:47 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] RE: PDF accessibility suggestions? I'm not sure what version you of Adobe Pro you are using but in version 11, you can choose to recognize text (Adobe's fancy way of saying OCR) by All pages, Current Page or select a specific page range. This setting is found under Tools -> Text Recognition -> In This File. Perhaps a default setting is causing you havoc. Krista Greear Access Text and Technology Manager Disability Resources for Students Univeristy of Washignton From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Shadrick, Megan E Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 6:31 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] PDF accessibility suggestions? My staff have reported that several of the textbooks we have received for next semester in PDF are only allowing us to make the PDFs accessible page by page. They have been able to get a few to work after several tries but we still have some that aren't cooperating. We are using Adobe Pro to break PDFs into chapters and make them accessible. Does anyone have any suggestions on what we can try? My only idea at this point is to print and rescan the books so we can get them done quickly. Thanks much Megan Shadrick M.S., M.A., COMS Associate Director, Disability Resource Center-Access Technology Center Missouri State University meganshadrick@missouristate.edu http://missouristate.edu/atc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamzk7 at mail.missouri.edu Wed Dec 4 10:29:27 2013 From: jamzk7 at mail.missouri.edu (McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student)) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] accessible campus map Message-ID: <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C459362816076F29@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com> Good afternoon, We are attempting to make our online campus map accessible to screenreaders. So I am wondering if anyone has an example of an accessible campus map on their website or other advice on creating access to an online campus map. Right now we have an accessibility map that displays accessible entrances, but it is not accessible to students who use screenreaders. Has this been done before? Thanks. Julie McGinnity University of Missouri Columbia From lissner.2 at osu.edu Wed Dec 4 14:41:56 2013 From: lissner.2 at osu.edu (Lissner, L S. (Scott )) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: 12/5/13: Judith Heumann & Michelle Kwan - Google+ Hangout on "Going For Gold: Advancing International Disability Rights" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Special Advisor Heumann and Senior Advisor Kwan To Participate in a Google+ Hangout on "Going For Gold: Advancing International Disability Rights" Special Advisor for International Rights of Persons with Disabilities Judith Heumann and Senior Advisor and former Olympic athlete Michelle Kwan will participate in a Google+ Hangout on "Going For Gold: Advancing International Disability Rights" at the Department of State at 1:00 p.m. (EST) on Thursday, December 5. The Hangout will feature several U.S. Paralympic athletes, who will speak about the opportunities offered by international training and competition for Paralympians, as well as some of the challenges they face. The Hangout can be viewed live on the U.S. Department of State's Google+ page and YouTube channel. More information about the work of the Department of State's ongoing efforts to advance the rights of persons with disabilities can be found here. During the Hangout, live-captioning will be available at: http://www.streamtext.net/player?event=StateDeptGooglePlusHangout. The Disabilities Treaty - learn more here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Catherine.Stager at Colorado.EDU Thu Dec 5 10:50:56 2013 From: Catherine.Stager at Colorado.EDU (Catherine Stager) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: Question -- exams for low vision student In-Reply-To: <4599527AD714FA42B45CEDFE81CA397D2C1A4A00@OC11expo28.exchange.mit.edu> References: <4599527AD714FA42B45CEDFE81CA397D2C1A31D0@OC11expo28.exchange.mit.edu> <83F43AAD78907C4F919AFB7E5E92B4FDD5DB5E4CEF@EXC2.ad.colorado.edu> <4599527AD714FA42B45CEDFE81CA397D2C1A4A00@OC11expo28.exchange.mit.edu> Message-ID: <83F43AAD78907C4F919AFB7E5E92B4FDD5DB5E500F@EXC2.ad.colorado.edu> Hi Kathy, If there was ever an issue with getting material that was not flexible enough we would address it directly with the professor from a Universal design perspective (... helping all students). Generally either we get Latex, ascii math or pretty good word files. Any of those formats are fairly easy for us to work with: we do request five days in advance however if the prof is giving us easily converted formats we are more generous about exceptions. Sometimes that can serve as a good "carrot" for getting better files. Best regards, Cath From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kathleen Cahill Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:20 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] RE: Question -- exams for low vision student Thank you, Cath. Do you ever specify with professors as to font sizes of regular text and super/sub scripts? Kathy From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Catherine Stager Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] RE: Question -- exams for low vision student Hi Kathy, We strongly encourage delivery of exams in latex from our STEM professors. That is hugely helpful for quick turnaround. Another little pointer is to flip the exam to landscape for printing purposes. This frequently helps avoid additional formatting. Did you have other types of guidelines in mind? Best, Cath Catherine M. Stager Academic Technology Access Coordinator Disability Services / Office of Diversity, Equity, and Community Engagement N234 Center for Community University of Colorado Boulder 303-492-4049 http://DisabilityServices.Colorado.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kathleen Cahill Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Question -- exams for low vision student Hi Colleagues, We have a number of low vision students in our student population. Most prefer to take an exam using a video magnifier, or in some cases, a handheld magnifier. One of our students prefers to have the entire exam enlarged onto 11x17 inch paper. In the past, she has asked for 18 point font, but the resulting font size can vary depending on the original file. Complicating this matter is math notation on the exam, so even if the base fonts are 18 point font, the superscripts and subscripts are not. Many faculty prepare exams the day before the test, so we have a limited time frame regarding conversion. Do you have any guidelines you follow regarding exam accommodations for low vision students? We are trying to help the student move toward magnification devices rather than enlarged print. Thanks for any ideas you might have. Kathy Kathleen Cahill Assistive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center) 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From osullivana at missouri.edu Thu Dec 5 11:31:41 2013 From: osullivana at missouri.edu (OSullivan, Abbie R.) 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I think most of the two classes (especially the first one) can be accommodated, but I've never had to do this before. Has anybody dealt with such an issue? Any pointers would be appreciated. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhayman at u.washington.edu Fri Dec 6 09:10:36 2013 From: dhayman at u.washington.edu (Doug Hayman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A69976E@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A69976E@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: What are the general requirements to take part in the class? Will be be assembling things with capacitors, resistors and such? Soldering or using a breadboard? My vision is getting worse [at 53] and when I dabbled a bit in that realm needed to use a magnifying lense to properly identify capacitors as those colored bands are a challenge to see. And in a recent soldering class offered through a member of the Audio Engineering Society here in the Seattle area, many other audio geeks were using those clamps that also have magnifiers on them. Just trying to picture the required tasks and how they could be accomodated. Doug Hayman Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit On Fri, 6 Dec 2013, Robert Beach wrote: > Hi all, > > We have a visually impaired student enrolled in our audio engeneering program who needs to take two circuitry classes. Unfortunately, the instructor is very, very, resistant to having this student in his class. He claims it is a safety risk that puts the college at high risk of liability. In fact, the student was enrolled and went to the first day of classes and the instructor talked him out of the class. > > Now the dean of the program is wanting to know if there is anyway we can accommodate the student so that he can finish the program. I think most of the two classes (especially the first one) can be accommodated, but I've never had to do this before. Has anybody dealt with such an issue? Any pointers would be appreciated. > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > 913-288-7671 > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Fri Dec 6 09:45:07 2013 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class In-Reply-To: References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A69976E@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6997AA@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> In the first course, the student will be using bread boards. In the second course, they will be doing soldering. They do need to assemble items. I can send the lab outline if that would help. I just didin't want to use too much band width. I actually have the syllabus for both classes. I'm thinking a lab assistant such as we've used for biology labs and such may be helpful. Any thoughts? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Doug Hayman Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 11:11 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class What are the general requirements to take part in the class? Will be be assembling things with capacitors, resistors and such? Soldering or using a breadboard? My vision is getting worse [at 53] and when I dabbled a bit in that realm needed to use a magnifying lense to properly identify capacitors as those colored bands are a challenge to see. And in a recent soldering class offered through a member of the Audio Engineering Society here in the Seattle area, many other audio geeks were using those clamps that also have magnifiers on them. Just trying to picture the required tasks and how they could be accomodated. Doug Hayman Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit On Fri, 6 Dec 2013, Robert Beach wrote: > Hi all, > > We have a visually impaired student enrolled in our audio engeneering program who needs to take two circuitry classes. Unfortunately, the instructor is very, very, resistant to having this student in his class. He claims it is a safety risk that puts the college at high risk of liability. In fact, the student was enrolled and went to the first day of classes and the instructor talked him out of the class. > > Now the dean of the program is wanting to know if there is anyway we can accommodate the student so that he can finish the program. I think most of the two classes (especially the first one) can be accommodated, but I've never had to do this before. Has anybody dealt with such an issue? Any pointers would be appreciated. > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > 913-288-7671 > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From dhayman at u.washington.edu Fri Dec 6 10:16:51 2013 From: dhayman at u.washington.edu (Doug Hayman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6997AA@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A69976E@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6997AA@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: I'd imagine that a person who studies this then takes the skills into the real world might not have to do soldering in their job. Perhaps using a larger blank circuit board mounted with magnifier or maybe those glasses surgeons use for detail work would show that the student learns the concepts, soldering technique. Then if he designed circuits they'd likely get jobbed out and done with automation, right? Too often instructors, and the general public first go to the place of "Oh my God! What would I do if I was [blind, deaf, spinal cord injured]" and their fear overrides creative thinking along the lines of "How would I do A if I lacked this capability but still had these other capabilities?" I know I'm preaching to the choir of others who have had to think outside of the box. Sounds like the instructor needs to broaden his/her perspective of what people with disabilities can do. Doug Hayman Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit On Fri, 6 Dec 2013, Robert Beach wrote: > In the first course, the student will be using bread boards. In the second course, they will be doing soldering. They do need to assemble items. > > I can send the lab outline if that would help. I just didin't want to use too much band width. I actually have the syllabus for both classes. > > I'm thinking a lab assistant such as we've used for biology labs and such may be helpful. Any thoughts? > > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > 913-288-7671 > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Doug Hayman > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 11:11 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class > > What are the general requirements to take part in the class? > > Will be be assembling things with capacitors, resistors and such? > Soldering or using a breadboard? > > My vision is getting worse [at 53] and when I dabbled a bit in that realm needed to use a magnifying lense to properly identify capacitors as those colored bands are a challenge to see. And in a recent soldering class offered through a member of the Audio Engineering Society here in the Seattle area, many other audio geeks were using those clamps that also have magnifiers on them. > > Just trying to picture the required tasks and how they could be accomodated. > > > > Doug Hayman > Senior Computer Specialist > DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) > UW Technology Services > Box 354842 > Seattle, WA 98195 > (206) 221-4165 > http://www.washington.edu/doit > > On Fri, 6 Dec 2013, Robert Beach wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> We have a visually impaired student enrolled in our audio engeneering program who needs to take two circuitry classes. Unfortunately, the instructor is very, very, resistant to having this student in his class. He claims it is a safety risk that puts the college at high risk of liability. In fact, the student was enrolled and went to the first day of classes and the instructor talked him out of the class. >> >> Now the dean of the program is wanting to know if there is anyway we can accommodate the student so that he can finish the program. I think most of the two classes (especially the first one) can be accommodated, but I've never had to do this before. Has anybody dealt with such an issue? Any pointers would be appreciated. >> >> >> Robert Lee Beach >> Assistive Technology Specialist >> Kansas City Kansas Community College >> 7250 State Avenue >> Kansas City, KS 66112 >> 913-288-7671 >> rbeach@kckcc.edu >> >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Fri Dec 6 10:36:56 2013 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class In-Reply-To: References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A69976E@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6997AA@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6997D0@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> This student only has periphrial vision and not much of that. He can see some, but I'm not sure a magnifier would enlarge enough to see the parts to solder. I'm thinking he would direct the lab assistant on what needs to be soldered and give directions on how to do this rather than actually do the work. Although, I can ask him about a magnifier to see if he thinks that would work. Keep the ideas coming. I like it and it's helping me too. Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Doug Hayman Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class I'd imagine that a person who studies this then takes the skills into the real world might not have to do soldering in their job. Perhaps using a larger blank circuit board mounted with magnifier or maybe those glasses surgeons use for detail work would show that the student learns the concepts, soldering technique. Then if he designed circuits they'd likely get jobbed out and done with automation, right? Too often instructors, and the general public first go to the place of "Oh my God! What would I do if I was [blind, deaf, spinal cord injured]" and their fear overrides creative thinking along the lines of "How would I do A if I lacked this capability but still had these other capabilities?" I know I'm preaching to the choir of others who have had to think outside of the box. Sounds like the instructor needs to broaden his/her perspective of what people with disabilities can do. Doug Hayman Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit On Fri, 6 Dec 2013, Robert Beach wrote: > In the first course, the student will be using bread boards. In the second course, they will be doing soldering. They do need to assemble items. > > I can send the lab outline if that would help. I just didin't want to use too much band width. I actually have the syllabus for both classes. > > I'm thinking a lab assistant such as we've used for biology labs and such may be helpful. Any thoughts? > > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > 913-288-7671 > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > Doug Hayman > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 11:11 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class > > What are the general requirements to take part in the class? > > Will be be assembling things with capacitors, resistors and such? > Soldering or using a breadboard? > > My vision is getting worse [at 53] and when I dabbled a bit in that realm needed to use a magnifying lense to properly identify capacitors as those colored bands are a challenge to see. And in a recent soldering class offered through a member of the Audio Engineering Society here in the Seattle area, many other audio geeks were using those clamps that also have magnifiers on them. > > Just trying to picture the required tasks and how they could be accomodated. > > > > Doug Hayman Senior Computer Specialist > DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, > Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 > (206) 221-4165 > http://www.washington.edu/doit > > On Fri, 6 Dec 2013, Robert Beach wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> We have a visually impaired student enrolled in our audio engeneering program who needs to take two circuitry classes. Unfortunately, the instructor is very, very, resistant to having this student in his class. He claims it is a safety risk that puts the college at high risk of liability. In fact, the student was enrolled and went to the first day of classes and the instructor talked him out of the class. >> >> Now the dean of the program is wanting to know if there is anyway we can accommodate the student so that he can finish the program. I think most of the two classes (especially the first one) can be accommodated, but I've never had to do this before. Has anybody dealt with such an issue? Any pointers would be appreciated. >> >> >> Robert Lee Beach >> Assistive Technology Specialist >> Kansas City Kansas Community College >> 7250 State Avenue >> Kansas City, KS 66112 >> 913-288-7671 >> rbeach@kckcc.edu >> >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From ron at ahead.org Fri Dec 6 10:49:32 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6997D0@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A69976E@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6997AA@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6997D0@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <007001cef2b3$e751f960$b5f5ec20$@ahead.org> Afternoon, I guess the question for me will be how will the student identify the various components that need to be selected. I am thinking about the need to select the appropriate resistors, capacitors and the like since they are typical only identified with cryptic notations and color banding. The work can be done, and in fact I have worked with a couple of folks in similar situations that needed to be able to build cables and the like. Does the individual have good memory skills or will a cheat sheet of some kind be provided. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:37 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class This student only has periphrial vision and not much of that. He can see some, but I'm not sure a magnifier would enlarge enough to see the parts to solder. I'm thinking he would direct the lab assistant on what needs to be soldered and give directions on how to do this rather than actually do the work. Although, I can ask him about a magnifier to see if he thinks that would work. Keep the ideas coming. I like it and it's helping me too. Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Doug Hayman Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class I'd imagine that a person who studies this then takes the skills into the real world might not have to do soldering in their job. Perhaps using a larger blank circuit board mounted with magnifier or maybe those glasses surgeons use for detail work would show that the student learns the concepts, soldering technique. Then if he designed circuits they'd likely get jobbed out and done with automation, right? Too often instructors, and the general public first go to the place of "Oh my God! What would I do if I was [blind, deaf, spinal cord injured]" and their fear overrides creative thinking along the lines of "How would I do A if I lacked this capability but still had these other capabilities?" I know I'm preaching to the choir of others who have had to think outside of the box. Sounds like the instructor needs to broaden his/her perspective of what people with disabilities can do. Doug Hayman Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit On Fri, 6 Dec 2013, Robert Beach wrote: > In the first course, the student will be using bread boards. In the second course, they will be doing soldering. They do need to assemble items. > > I can send the lab outline if that would help. I just didin't want to use too much band width. I actually have the syllabus for both classes. > > I'm thinking a lab assistant such as we've used for biology labs and such may be helpful. Any thoughts? > > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > 913-288-7671 > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > Doug Hayman > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 11:11 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class > > What are the general requirements to take part in the class? > > Will be be assembling things with capacitors, resistors and such? > Soldering or using a breadboard? > > My vision is getting worse [at 53] and when I dabbled a bit in that realm needed to use a magnifying lense to properly identify capacitors as those colored bands are a challenge to see. And in a recent soldering class offered through a member of the Audio Engineering Society here in the Seattle area, many other audio geeks were using those clamps that also have magnifiers on them. > > Just trying to picture the required tasks and how they could be accomodated. > > > > Doug Hayman Senior Computer Specialist > DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, > Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 > (206) 221-4165 > http://www.washington.edu/doit > > On Fri, 6 Dec 2013, Robert Beach wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> We have a visually impaired student enrolled in our audio engeneering program who needs to take two circuitry classes. Unfortunately, the instructor is very, very, resistant to having this student in his class. He claims it is a safety risk that puts the college at high risk of liability. In fact, the student was enrolled and went to the first day of classes and the instructor talked him out of the class. >> >> Now the dean of the program is wanting to know if there is anyway we can accommodate the student so that he can finish the program. I think most of the two classes (especially the first one) can be accommodated, but I've never had to do this before. Has anybody dealt with such an issue? Any pointers would be appreciated. >> >> >> Robert Lee Beach >> Assistive Technology Specialist >> Kansas City Kansas Community College >> 7250 State Avenue >> Kansas City, KS 66112 >> 913-288-7671 >> rbeach@kckcc.edu >> >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From jsuttondc at gmail.com Fri Dec 6 10:52:07 2013 From: jsuttondc at gmail.com (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Notes from Office Hours on SAKAI Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20131206105010.077a5e00@gmail.com> Greetings, ATHENites: Matt may be on the list, but in case he's not, I thought some of you who are working with SAKAI might find this tweet of interest. Best, Jennifer @Mattclare tweeted: Notes from the Office Hours session I did with @SakaiANI on Accessibility & Sakai were just posted https://t.co/DwkfMQTt9L Great participants. Friday, December 6, 2013 at 6:12:15 AM http://twitter.com/Mattclare/status/408962092373258240 From ron at ahead.org Fri Dec 6 10:55:46 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class In-Reply-To: References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A69976E@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6997AA@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <007701cef2b4$c5f4e880$51deb980$@ahead.org> Actually if they are working in a production shop they would not be, the traces need to be too exact for the average bear. Now if they are working in a small shop, doing audio repair or building custom components then this may be an issue. Not to say it can't be done, if would have to be incumbent on the individual to decide what they want to do and what they are going to be gainfully employable doing. Kind of on a tangent, but I had a client that I was working with that could not see color gradients and they were majoring in electrical engineering. They had to develop systems for keeping the components separated and categorized since they could not see the shades on the color spectrum that identified the parts they needed. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Doug Hayman Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class I'd imagine that a person who studies this then takes the skills into the real world might not have to do soldering in their job. Perhaps using a larger blank circuit board mounted with magnifier or maybe those glasses surgeons use for detail work would show that the student learns the concepts, soldering technique. Then if he designed circuits they'd likely get jobbed out and done with automation, right? Too often instructors, and the general public first go to the place of "Oh my God! What would I do if I was [blind, deaf, spinal cord injured]" and their fear overrides creative thinking along the lines of "How would I do A if I lacked this capability but still had these other capabilities?" I know I'm preaching to the choir of others who have had to think outside of the box. Sounds like the instructor needs to broaden his/her perspective of what people with disabilities can do. Doug Hayman Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit On Fri, 6 Dec 2013, Robert Beach wrote: > In the first course, the student will be using bread boards. In the second course, they will be doing soldering. They do need to assemble items. > > I can send the lab outline if that would help. I just didin't want to use too much band width. I actually have the syllabus for both classes. > > I'm thinking a lab assistant such as we've used for biology labs and such may be helpful. Any thoughts? > > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > 913-288-7671 > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > Doug Hayman > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 11:11 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class > > What are the general requirements to take part in the class? > > Will be be assembling things with capacitors, resistors and such? > Soldering or using a breadboard? > > My vision is getting worse [at 53] and when I dabbled a bit in that realm needed to use a magnifying lense to properly identify capacitors as those colored bands are a challenge to see. And in a recent soldering class offered through a member of the Audio Engineering Society here in the Seattle area, many other audio geeks were using those clamps that also have magnifiers on them. > > Just trying to picture the required tasks and how they could be accomodated. > > > > Doug Hayman Senior Computer Specialist > DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, > Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 > (206) 221-4165 > http://www.washington.edu/doit > > On Fri, 6 Dec 2013, Robert Beach wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> We have a visually impaired student enrolled in our audio engeneering program who needs to take two circuitry classes. Unfortunately, the instructor is very, very, resistant to having this student in his class. He claims it is a safety risk that puts the college at high risk of liability. In fact, the student was enrolled and went to the first day of classes and the instructor talked him out of the class. >> >> Now the dean of the program is wanting to know if there is anyway we can accommodate the student so that he can finish the program. I think most of the two classes (especially the first one) can be accommodated, but I've never had to do this before. Has anybody dealt with such an issue? Any pointers would be appreciated. >> >> >> Robert Lee Beach >> Assistive Technology Specialist >> Kansas City Kansas Community College >> 7250 State Avenue >> Kansas City, KS 66112 >> 913-288-7671 >> rbeach@kckcc.edu >> >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From foreigntype at gmail.com Fri Dec 6 11:54:09 2013 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class In-Reply-To: <007701cef2b4$c5f4e880$51deb980$@ahead.org> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A69976E@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6997AA@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <007701cef2b4$c5f4e880$51deb980$@ahead.org> Message-ID: <176a01cef2bc$ee010220$ca030660$@gmail.com> Hi all, Regarding wiring & colored wires on the circuit boards...don't know if these devices are sophisticated enough to distinguish very small or thin items, but it might be worth a look --these are hand held audible color readers. Am assuming the student is being tested on what color wires belong together or which connect together, or which ones colors to use to wire the circuit board. http://www.abledata.com/abledata.cfm?pageid=19327&ksectionid=19327&top=32565 Wink -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: sexta-feira, 6 de dezembro de 2013 10:56 To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class Actually if they are working in a production shop they would not be, the traces need to be too exact for the average bear. Now if they are working in a small shop, doing audio repair or building custom components then this may be an issue. Not to say it can't be done, if would have to be incumbent on the individual to decide what they want to do and what they are going to be gainfully employable doing. Kind of on a tangent, but I had a client that I was working with that could not see color gradients and they were majoring in electrical engineering. They had to develop systems for keeping the components separated and categorized since they could not see the shades on the color spectrum that identified the parts they needed. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Doug Hayman Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class I'd imagine that a person who studies this then takes the skills into the real world might not have to do soldering in their job. Perhaps using a larger blank circuit board mounted with magnifier or maybe those glasses surgeons use for detail work would show that the student learns the concepts, soldering technique. Then if he designed circuits they'd likely get jobbed out and done with automation, right? Too often instructors, and the general public first go to the place of "Oh my God! What would I do if I was [blind, deaf, spinal cord injured]" and their fear overrides creative thinking along the lines of "How would I do A if I lacked this capability but still had these other capabilities?" I know I'm preaching to the choir of others who have had to think outside of the box. Sounds like the instructor needs to broaden his/her perspective of what people with disabilities can do. Doug Hayman Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit On Fri, 6 Dec 2013, Robert Beach wrote: > In the first course, the student will be using bread boards. In the second course, they will be doing soldering. They do need to assemble items. > > I can send the lab outline if that would help. I just didin't want to > use too much band width. I actually have the syllabus for both classes. > > I'm thinking a lab assistant such as we've used for biology labs and > such may be helpful. Any thoughts? > > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > 913-288-7671 > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > Doug Hayman > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 11:11 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class > > What are the general requirements to take part in the class? > > Will be be assembling things with capacitors, resistors and such? > Soldering or using a breadboard? > > My vision is getting worse [at 53] and when I dabbled a bit in that > realm needed to use a magnifying lense to properly identify capacitors as those colored bands are a challenge to see. And in a recent soldering class offered through a member of the Audio Engineering Society here in the Seattle area, many other audio geeks were using those clamps that also have magnifiers on them. > > Just trying to picture the required tasks and how they could be accomodated. > > > > Doug Hayman Senior Computer Specialist > DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, > Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 > (206) 221-4165 > http://www.washington.edu/doit > > On Fri, 6 Dec 2013, Robert Beach wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> We have a visually impaired student enrolled in our audio engeneering program who needs to take two circuitry classes. Unfortunately, the instructor is very, very, resistant to having this student in his class. He claims it is a safety risk that puts the college at high risk of liability. In fact, the student was enrolled and went to the first day of classes and the instructor talked him out of the class. >> >> Now the dean of the program is wanting to know if there is anyway we >> can accommodate the student so that he can finish the program. I think most of the two classes (especially the first one) can be accommodated, but I've never had to do this before. Has anybody dealt with such an issue? Any pointers would be appreciated. >> >> >> Robert Lee Beach >> Assistive Technology Specialist >> Kansas City Kansas Community College >> 7250 State Avenue >> Kansas City, KS 66112 >> 913-288-7671 >> rbeach@kckcc.edu >> >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Fri Dec 6 12:00:55 2013 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class In-Reply-To: <176a01cef2bc$ee010220$ca030660$@gmail.com> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A69976E@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6997AA@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <007701cef2b4$c5f4e880$51deb980$@ahead.org> <176a01cef2bc$ee010220$ca030660$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A699915@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Another good idea. I hadn't really thought about the hand-helpd devices. I have considered the apps for the iPhone since the student has one, but I know the accuracy of those apps are not good; at least in my experience. I think these devices would probably be better. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:54 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class Hi all, Regarding wiring & colored wires on the circuit boards...don't know if these devices are sophisticated enough to distinguish very small or thin items, but it might be worth a look --these are hand held audible color readers. Am assuming the student is being tested on what color wires belong together or which connect together, or which ones colors to use to wire the circuit board. http://www.abledata.com/abledata.cfm?pageid=19327&ksectionid=19327&top=32565 Wink -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: sexta-feira, 6 de dezembro de 2013 10:56 To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class Actually if they are working in a production shop they would not be, the traces need to be too exact for the average bear. Now if they are working in a small shop, doing audio repair or building custom components then this may be an issue. Not to say it can't be done, if would have to be incumbent on the individual to decide what they want to do and what they are going to be gainfully employable doing. Kind of on a tangent, but I had a client that I was working with that could not see color gradients and they were majoring in electrical engineering. They had to develop systems for keeping the components separated and categorized since they could not see the shades on the color spectrum that identified the parts they needed. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Doug Hayman Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class I'd imagine that a person who studies this then takes the skills into the real world might not have to do soldering in their job. Perhaps using a larger blank circuit board mounted with magnifier or maybe those glasses surgeons use for detail work would show that the student learns the concepts, soldering technique. Then if he designed circuits they'd likely get jobbed out and done with automation, right? Too often instructors, and the general public first go to the place of "Oh my God! What would I do if I was [blind, deaf, spinal cord injured]" and their fear overrides creative thinking along the lines of "How would I do A if I lacked this capability but still had these other capabilities?" I know I'm preaching to the choir of others who have had to think outside of the box. Sounds like the instructor needs to broaden his/her perspective of what people with disabilities can do. Doug Hayman Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit On Fri, 6 Dec 2013, Robert Beach wrote: > In the first course, the student will be using bread boards. In the second course, they will be doing soldering. They do need to assemble items. > > I can send the lab outline if that would help. I just didin't want to > use too much band width. I actually have the syllabus for both classes. > > I'm thinking a lab assistant such as we've used for biology labs and > such may be helpful. Any thoughts? > > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > 913-288-7671 > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > Doug Hayman > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 11:11 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class > > What are the general requirements to take part in the class? > > Will be be assembling things with capacitors, resistors and such? > Soldering or using a breadboard? > > My vision is getting worse [at 53] and when I dabbled a bit in that > realm needed to use a magnifying lense to properly identify capacitors as those colored bands are a challenge to see. And in a recent soldering class offered through a member of the Audio Engineering Society here in the Seattle area, many other audio geeks were using those clamps that also have magnifiers on them. > > Just trying to picture the required tasks and how they could be accomodated. > > > > Doug Hayman Senior Computer Specialist > DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, > Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 > (206) 221-4165 > http://www.washington.edu/doit > > On Fri, 6 Dec 2013, Robert Beach wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> We have a visually impaired student enrolled in our audio engeneering program who needs to take two circuitry classes. Unfortunately, the instructor is very, very, resistant to having this student in his class. He claims it is a safety risk that puts the college at high risk of liability. In fact, the student was enrolled and went to the first day of classes and the instructor talked him out of the class. >> >> Now the dean of the program is wanting to know if there is anyway we >> can accommodate the student so that he can finish the program. I think most of the two classes (especially the first one) can be accommodated, but I've never had to do this before. Has anybody dealt with such an issue? Any pointers would be appreciated. >> >> >> Robert Lee Beach >> Assistive Technology Specialist >> Kansas City Kansas Community College >> 7250 State Avenue >> Kansas City, KS 66112 >> 913-288-7671 >> rbeach@kckcc.edu >> >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From foreigntype at gmail.com Fri Dec 6 13:51:17 2013 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] screen reading in Pearson myXlab Message-ID: <189001cef2cd$4afa2cd0$e0ee8670$@gmail.com> Hi all, Please remind me how well or if generic screen readers perform in Pearson's murder of MyXlab online courses work. Student needs something like Natural Reader for reading support. Has been using Kurzweil for converted print material in the past. Thanks awfully much in advance. Wink Harner foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Fri Dec 6 15:18:45 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] screen reading in Pearson myXlab In-Reply-To: <189001cef2cd$4afa2cd0$e0ee8670$@gmail.com> References: <189001cef2cd$4afa2cd0$e0ee8670$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <013901cef2d9$8349cd00$89dd6700$@ahead.org> It is only JAWS and the most recent versions that work in MyxLab. In the most recent teleconference they had nothing new to show. As far as I am aware it does not work with any other screen reader, nor with the reading assistance software you are mentioning. It may be able to be made to work with more sophisticated products like RWG, but as far as I am aware at this point it is a total disaster. Nothing like Kesi is even going to begin to work with it, so I would not waste my time. Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 3:51 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] screen reading in Pearson myXlab Hi all, Please remind me how well or if generic screen readers perform in Pearson's murder of MyXlab online courses work. Student needs something like Natural Reader for reading support. Has been using Kurzweil for converted print material in the past. Thanks awfully much in advance. Wink Harner foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Fri Dec 6 17:01:33 2013 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] screen reading in Pearson myXlab In-Reply-To: <013901cef2d9$8349cd00$89dd6700$@ahead.org> References: <189001cef2cd$4afa2cd0$e0ee8670$@gmail.com> <013901cef2d9$8349cd00$89dd6700$@ahead.org> Message-ID: <198701cef2e7$df68fd50$9e3af7f0$@gmail.com> Hi all, The student wanted a PDF (at my suggestion - had been using KESI but not happy with its unreliable access) so we could convert it to a screen reader-ready book for him. Pearson refused a hard copy. I went out looking to see if there were any screen reading options available inside the Pearson caves (My lock-you-out lab? Only kidding but not by much). What other options are there? Wink foreigntype@gmail.com Wink Harner Assistive Technology Specialist Southern Oregon University 541-552-8442 harnerw@sou.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: sexta-feira, 6 de dezembro de 2013 15:19 To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] screen reading in Pearson myXlab It is only JAWS and the most recent versions that work in MyxLab. In the most recent teleconference they had nothing new to show. As far as I am aware it does not work with any other screen reader, nor with the reading assistance software you are mentioning. It may be able to be made to work with more sophisticated products like RWG, but as far as I am aware at this point it is a total disaster. Nothing like Kesi is even going to begin to work with it, so I would not waste my time. Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 3:51 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] screen reading in Pearson myXlab Hi all, Please remind me how well or if generic screen readers perform in Pearson's murder of MyXlab online courses work. Student needs something like Natural Reader for reading support. Has been using Kurzweil for converted print material in the past. Thanks awfully much in advance. Wink Harner foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From schwarte at purdue.edu Mon Dec 9 06:12:25 2013 From: schwarte at purdue.edu (Schwarte, David M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6997D0@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A69976E@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6997AA@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6997D0@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <63138735C2D95546820096F109FED94E30C6D574@WPVEXCMBX06.purdue.lcl> Hello Robert, I occasionally do some soldering using a CCTV. The challenge is that the CCTV does not allow for depth perception. This is actually not quite as challenging on a circuit board since all of the solders are on the same level. Many years ago, when I took an Electrical Engineering class with a lab, I talked with the instructor about the requirement for identifying the colors. The requirement was that I be able to identify resisters, capacitors etc. by their color codes. I received an oral quiz on the correct color codes for various components. Since we worked in pairs for the class, I would tell my lab partner the color code to pick out from the box and he/she would pick it out. This fulfilled the requirements of the class. If I were to do this type of thing outside of class, I would have an extensive organization for the components so I would not need to read their color codes. This class used bread boards and did not require soldering. I used my own multimeter with a large display and a second camera on the CCTV to read the controls and displays of the oscilloscope and wave generator. I now have a PC-based Oscilloscope that I can use with ZoomText that is much easier to use than using the second camera. The instructor actually had no problem with me using my own multimeter. One feature of the class was to understand the limitation of the multimeter and know when its readings were not useable. Since there were several sections of the lab, many of us had heard information about what to expect from others. I actually had to determine the limitations of my multimeter myself. In other words I came closer to fulfilling the requirements of the class than many of the students in my lab section. Just a few thoughts. David Schwarte -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:37 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class This student only has periphrial vision and not much of that. He can see some, but I'm not sure a magnifier would enlarge enough to see the parts to solder. I'm thinking he would direct the lab assistant on what needs to be soldered and give directions on how to do this rather than actually do the work. Although, I can ask him about a magnifier to see if he thinks that would work. Keep the ideas coming. I like it and it's helping me too. Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Doug Hayman Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 12:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class I'd imagine that a person who studies this then takes the skills into the real world might not have to do soldering in their job. Perhaps using a larger blank circuit board mounted with magnifier or maybe those glasses surgeons use for detail work would show that the student learns the concepts, soldering technique. Then if he designed circuits they'd likely get jobbed out and done with automation, right? Too often instructors, and the general public first go to the place of "Oh my God! What would I do if I was [blind, deaf, spinal cord injured]" and their fear overrides creative thinking along the lines of "How would I do A if I lacked this capability but still had these other capabilities?" I know I'm preaching to the choir of others who have had to think outside of the box. Sounds like the instructor needs to broaden his/her perspective of what people with disabilities can do. Doug Hayman Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit On Fri, 6 Dec 2013, Robert Beach wrote: > In the first course, the student will be using bread boards. In the second course, they will be doing soldering. They do need to assemble items. > > I can send the lab outline if that would help. I just didin't want to use too much band width. I actually have the syllabus for both classes. > > I'm thinking a lab assistant such as we've used for biology labs and such may be helpful. Any thoughts? > > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > 913-288-7671 > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > Doug Hayman > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 11:11 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] visually impaired student in a circuitry class > > What are the general requirements to take part in the class? > > Will be be assembling things with capacitors, resistors and such? > Soldering or using a breadboard? > > My vision is getting worse [at 53] and when I dabbled a bit in that realm needed to use a magnifying lense to properly identify capacitors as those colored bands are a challenge to see. And in a recent soldering class offered through a member of the Audio Engineering Society here in the Seattle area, many other audio geeks were using those clamps that also have magnifiers on them. > > Just trying to picture the required tasks and how they could be accomodated. > > > > Doug Hayman Senior Computer Specialist > DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, > Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 > (206) 221-4165 > http://www.washington.edu/doit > > On Fri, 6 Dec 2013, Robert Beach wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> We have a visually impaired student enrolled in our audio engeneering program who needs to take two circuitry classes. Unfortunately, the instructor is very, very, resistant to having this student in his class. He claims it is a safety risk that puts the college at high risk of liability. In fact, the student was enrolled and went to the first day of classes and the instructor talked him out of the class. >> >> Now the dean of the program is wanting to know if there is anyway we can accommodate the student so that he can finish the program. I think most of the two classes (especially the first one) can be accommodated, but I've never had to do this before. Has anybody dealt with such an issue? Any pointers would be appreciated. >> >> >> Robert Lee Beach >> Assistive Technology Specialist >> Kansas City Kansas Community College >> 7250 State Avenue >> Kansas City, KS 66112 >> 913-288-7671 >> rbeach@kckcc.edu >> >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From foreigntype at gmail.com Mon Dec 9 10:39:48 2013 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Lesco error Message-ID: <0b5201cef50e$0a6bfe80$1f43fb80$@gmail.com> Hi all Athen-ites, Anyone out there working with Omnipage have insight about what a "Lesco error" is? Can't find answers on the NUANCE FAQ page. Working in a complex biology book running OCR. Lesco error message pops up and crashes (repeatedly! Gah!!). Thanks in advance. Wink Harner foreigntype@gmail.com Assistive Technology Specialist Southern Oregon University 541-552-8442 harnerw@sou.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dabrus at purdue.edu Tue Dec 10 11:29:02 2013 From: dabrus at purdue.edu (Brusnighan, Dean A.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] CommonLook PDF and CommonLook Office software Message-ID: <6C34E066F6CB094DAFDDC75802CC64FE152D71B0@WPVEXCMBX08.purdue.lcl> Hi All, Several Purdue campuses are planning to evaluate CommonLook PDF and CommonLook Office software by NetCentric. I have two questions: 1) have you had good or challenging experiences with either of these tools? Feel free to share offline if you prefer. 2) do you know of any alternatives to these tools? I have been asked to provide a list of alternatives to ensure due diligence. As a reminder: * CommonLook Office is used to save Microsoft Word and Powerpoint files as accessible PDF documents. * CommonLook PDF is used to modify existing PDF documents to make them accessible. Thanks in advance for sharing your insights! Dean ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dean Brusnighan Assistive Technology Specialist Purdue University, Young Hall 155 S. Grant Street West Lafayette, IN 47907-2108 Phone: 765-494-9082 dabrus@purdue.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petri.1 at osu.edu Wed Dec 11 12:31:10 2013 From: petri.1 at osu.edu (Ken Petri) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] CommonLook PDF and CommonLook Office software In-Reply-To: <6C34E066F6CB094DAFDDC75802CC64FE152D71B0@WPVEXCMBX08.purdue.lcl> References: <6C34E066F6CB094DAFDDC75802CC64FE152D71B0@WPVEXCMBX08.purdue.lcl> Message-ID: Dean, There are very few other options in this space, but there are some (see last couple of paragraphs of this email). We have had a lot of difficulty with the Commonlook software license managers, but I think we have narrowed this down to issues with our networking set up -- in other words, it's not a problem with Commonlook, but with our own networking (I'm pretty sure....). The software itself is quite good. Commonlook Office Pro is the way to go with that tool, as that edition has the ability to create accessible complex tables and it works with PowerPoint. PDF, the plugin for Acrobat, has a learning curve. And what I mean by this is it is an expert tool. It is not enough to be able to simply run the plugin. The person doing the remediation must be aware of what makes a PDF accessible, what are the semantics of PDF tags, etc. in order to produce a truly accessible PDF. But compared to trying to edit tag structures in Acrobat -- well, there is no comparison because editing tags, creating artifacts, dealing with weird textruns, etc. is simply way too much work without CL PDF. It does a lot of clean up for you, automatically (of textruns, linebreaks, empty tags, etc) that is hugely time consuming to do manually. CL PDF is expensive, though. I think a few copies and only for people who are working a lot with PDF would make sense -- library and university communications/marketing, etc. In our case, almost all of Student Life and University Marketing Communications are InDesign users, and if you're going to use InDesign to produce PDF you are going to need to do after the fact remediation. So CL PDF is a good investment for that group. You could learn the tool and do internal training. CL does provide training and it's good -- we did it here at OSU, funded by a grant -- but the training is expensive, also. CL Office Pro is very simple to use. Much simpler than anything else that produces accessible results. You could teach a half-hour workshop to faculty on how to use it and you'd be good. It's really straight forward. Note that CL Pro is supposed to be able to produce accessible PDF forms. I would say that this feature is not yet adequate. You have to use the activex controls, only, in Word to get CL to recognize form elements and then the visual display of the forms produced is not very good -- you'll need to go back in in Acrobat and adjust the visual look and feel. But for non-form PowerPoint and Word, CL Pro is a valuable tool. I have been told by CL staff that CL products are moving toward PDF U/A compliance. I would press them on this. CL should be producing PDF U/A/Matterhorn Protocol compliant documents. The other thing that I always advise creators to do with producing PDF is make sure there is a good bookmarks structure, that the bookmarks panel is set to display when the PDF loads in Reader or Acrobat, and that the title of the document, not its file name, appears in the top of the reader window. These are all things that you currently have to do manually with CL products. You have to run CL Pro or PDF, to into Acrobat and then set up bookmarks and title to display, etc. I personally think that there should be options (on by default) in CL Pro and PDF to set these display characteristics for you -- and save the hassle of doing them manually. I know most faculty will likely forget to do those things. CL Pro should just do them for you. On that score, there is a free (currently in beta) tool that produces really nice, almost fully PDF U/A compliant PDF from Word -- and it displays the title, sets the document language, and sets the bookmarks panel to open by default. It's called axesPDF for Word. Since it's in beta, there are parts of it that don't work yet (are turned off), but it does have the very very useful ability to map Word styles to table headings (and other structures), so when your PDF exports the one and two dimensional tables in it don't require any after the fact remediation. axesPDF also produces really clean tag structures. For example, the days of figures floating to the top of the tag tree are gone with axesPDF. Word content styled using blockquote and captions on figures are correctly tagged in the PDF tag structure. And extra empty paragraphs are stripped automatically. It's available here: http://www.axespdf.com/. All of the videos and most of the text on the site (and some in the application itself) are in German. axesPDF isn't wizard based like CL Pro and so it does require a bit more training. But as far as I can tell, it is doing just as good a job as CL Pro. Running a Word document through it and through CL Pro and then checking with the PAC 2 checker shows that axesPDF actually right now produces a PDF that is closer to PDF U/A compliance than is the PDF produced by CL Pro. In addition to PAC 2 for checking PDF, have a look at callas' pdfGoHTML. That free Acrobat plugin makes good arguments for tagged PDF, since it can produce accessible HTML documents from the PDF tag structure on the fly. pdfGoHTML (and PAC 2) provide really nice visualizations of PDF tag structures, too. Feel free to call if you want to talk about this in more detail or need me to clarify anything, Dean. ken [image: The Ohio State University] Ken Petri, Program Director Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for Disability Services 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax petri.1@osu.edu wac.osu.edu On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Brusnighan, Dean A. wrote: > Hi All, > > > > Several Purdue campuses are planning to evaluate CommonLook PDF and > CommonLook Office software by NetCentric. > > > > I have two questions: > > > > 1) have you had good or challenging experiences with either of these > tools? Feel free to share offline if you prefer. > > 2) do you know of any alternatives to these tools? 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We just did a huge document remediation project for one of our major clients, not the first one. One of the reasons that we did it is because their internal folks who require non-mouse based access could just not do the work to meet the needs of users both with and without disabilities and this is one of the largest providers of content in the English speaking world. I like the work, but to be honest I also regret taking it on. I do not believe that ADOBE has spent any significant resources in making their document development environments even marginally accessible. The exception would be Dreamweaver, but even there you need to operate in code mode. None of the WYSIWIG interfaces even come close. Would love to hear that I am wrong, but for me accessible does not also mean that I have to memorize a whole slew of non-standard keyboard commands. That does not mean that it is impossible, but like Google ADOBE has played this love hate game with accessibility for a long time. I have to commend their accessibility group for their work, but corporately ADOBE is right up there with the other vendors in playing lip service to accessibility. Sorry to sound so jaded, but I have now been working in this space for twenty years and I think it is justified. Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 4:16 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Adobe Acrobat Pro Hello All: I would assume at this point that Acrobat Pro would be fully accessible to keyboard and screenreader users. But just wanted to check - what's the current state of its accessibility? Thanks, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 AHEAD Association of Higher Education and Disability -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From howard.kramer at Colorado.EDU Fri Dec 13 16:02:52 2013 From: howard.kramer at Colorado.EDU (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Adobe Acrobat Pro In-Reply-To: <0a5701cef85e$76fe3ab0$64fab010$@altformatsolutions.com> References: <0a5701cef85e$76fe3ab0$64fab010$@altformatsolutions.com> Message-ID: <560EFE0644E31749BAA9887549F592B3010B022AB849@EXC4.ad.colorado.edu> Thank you Ron, Wink - for you feedback. Disappointing but helpful to know. -Howard From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 4:53 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Accessibility of Adobe Acrobat Pro Evening, the base answer is no unfortunately. We just did a huge document remediation project for one of our major clients, not the first one. One of the reasons that we did it is because their internal folks who require non-mouse based access could just not do the work to meet the needs of users both with and without disabilities and this is one of the largest providers of content in the English speaking world. I like the work, but to be honest I also regret taking it on. I do not believe that ADOBE has spent any significant resources in making their document development environments even marginally accessible. The exception would be Dreamweaver, but even there you need to operate in code mode. None of the WYSIWIG interfaces even come close. Would love to hear that I am wrong, but for me accessible does not also mean that I have to memorize a whole slew of non-standard keyboard commands. That does not mean that it is impossible, but like Google ADOBE has played this love hate game with accessibility for a long time. I have to commend their accessibility group for their work, but corporately ADOBE is right up there with the other vendors in playing lip service to accessibility. Sorry to sound so jaded, but I have now been working in this space for twenty years and I think it is justified. Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 4:16 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Adobe Acrobat Pro Hello All: I would assume at this point that Acrobat Pro would be fully accessible to keyboard and screenreader users. But just wanted to check - what's the current state of its accessibility? Thanks, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 AHEAD Association of Higher Education and Disability -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Fri Dec 13 16:30:23 2013 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Adobe Acrobat Pro In-Reply-To: <560EFE0644E31749BAA9887549F592B3010B022AB849@EXC4.ad.colorado.edu> References: <0a5701cef85e$76fe3ab0$64fab010$@altformatsolutions.com> <560EFE0644E31749BAA9887549F592B3010B022AB849@EXC4.ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <008001cef863$adda03c0$098e0b40$@gmail.com> Howard, Check with the presenters from the INDESIGN workshop at AHG. They would have some insight too about the accessibility/lack of integration of AT with the Adobe software line. Wink Wink Harner Assistive Technology Specialist Southern Oregon University 541-552-8442 harnerw@sou.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: sexta-feira, 13 de dezembro de 2013 16:03 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Accessibility of Adobe Acrobat Pro Thank you Ron, Wink - for you feedback. Disappointing but helpful to know. -Howard From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 4:53 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Accessibility of Adobe Acrobat Pro Evening, the base answer is no unfortunately. We just did a huge document remediation project for one of our major clients, not the first one. One of the reasons that we did it is because their internal folks who require non-mouse based access could just not do the work to meet the needs of users both with and without disabilities and this is one of the largest providers of content in the English speaking world. I like the work, but to be honest I also regret taking it on. I do not believe that ADOBE has spent any significant resources in making their document development environments even marginally accessible. The exception would be Dreamweaver, but even there you need to operate in code mode. None of the WYSIWIG interfaces even come close. Would love to hear that I am wrong, but for me accessible does not also mean that I have to memorize a whole slew of non-standard keyboard commands. That does not mean that it is impossible, but like Google ADOBE has played this love hate game with accessibility for a long time. I have to commend their accessibility group for their work, but corporately ADOBE is right up there with the other vendors in playing lip service to accessibility. Sorry to sound so jaded, but I have now been working in this space for twenty years and I think it is justified. Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 4:16 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Adobe Acrobat Pro Hello All: I would assume at this point that Acrobat Pro would be fully accessible to keyboard and screenreader users. But just wanted to check - what's the current state of its accessibility? Thanks, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 AHEAD Association of Higher Education and Disability -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Mon Dec 16 06:05:15 2013 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Adobe Acrobat Pro In-Reply-To: <0a5701cef85e$76fe3ab0$64fab010$@altformatsolutions.com> References: <0a5701cef85e$76fe3ab0$64fab010$@altformatsolutions.com> Message-ID: <000c01cefa67$d8f08560$8ad19020$@karlencommunications.com> One of the issues with those who use screen readers is that when in Adobe Reader or acrobat we are always in "virtual view" and PDF by its nature is not a word processing environment. There is so much work in remediation that is visual, matching what you see on the "printed page" with the Tags, Order and Content Panels that virtual access is not granular enough to work with. Also, if something is not tagged, how would someone using a screen reader even know it is on the page and has been missed? It is the same with adding form controls. It is a very visual process and does, by its nature, involve using a mouse to locate and define form control size/positions. Until the document is properly tagged, those of us using screen readers don't have access to it. I do agree that the UI of Acrobat is not keyboard friendly and many of us with and without disabilities find it easier to use the keyboard for tasks than the mouse. In this respect, Adobe has seriously dropped the ball and never picked it up again. For me, these are the two main issues: you have to be able to see the content to Tag it and ensure tagging is correct; and, keyboard support in Acrobat is quite poor. There are some of the QA tasks that can be done if you use a screen reader. But a screen reader can't identify untagged content. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: December 13, 2013 6:53 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Accessibility of Adobe Acrobat Pro Evening, the base answer is no unfortunately. We just did a huge document remediation project for one of our major clients, not the first one. One of the reasons that we did it is because their internal folks who require non-mouse based access could just not do the work to meet the needs of users both with and without disabilities and this is one of the largest providers of content in the English speaking world. I like the work, but to be honest I also regret taking it on. I do not believe that ADOBE has spent any significant resources in making their document development environments even marginally accessible. The exception would be Dreamweaver, but even there you need to operate in code mode. None of the WYSIWIG interfaces even come close. Would love to hear that I am wrong, but for me accessible does not also mean that I have to memorize a whole slew of non-standard keyboard commands. That does not mean that it is impossible, but like Google ADOBE has played this love hate game with accessibility for a long time. I have to commend their accessibility group for their work, but corporately ADOBE is right up there with the other vendors in playing lip service to accessibility. Sorry to sound so jaded, but I have now been working in this space for twenty years and I think it is justified. Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 4:16 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Adobe Acrobat Pro Hello All: I would assume at this point that Acrobat Pro would be fully accessible to keyboard and screenreader users. But just wanted to check - what's the current state of its accessibility? Thanks, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 AHEAD Association of Higher Education and Disability -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Mon Dec 16 10:27:44 2013 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Adobe Acrobat Pro In-Reply-To: <000c01cefa67$d8f08560$8ad19020$@karlencommunications.com> References: <0a5701cef85e$76fe3ab0$64fab010$@altformatsolutions.com> <000c01cefa67$d8f08560$8ad19020$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Thanks Karen. That was really helpful. -Howard On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:05 AM, Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > One of the issues with those who use screen readers is that when in Adobe > Reader or acrobat we are always in ?virtual view? and PDF by its nature is > not a word processing environment. > > > > There is so much work in remediation that is visual, matching what you see > on the ?printed page? with the Tags, Order and Content Panels that virtual > access is not granular enough to work with. Also, if something is not > tagged, how would someone using a screen reader even know it is on the page > and has been missed? > > > > It is the same with adding form controls. It is a very visual process and > does, by its nature, involve using a mouse to locate and define form > control size/positions. Until the document is properly tagged, those of us > using screen readers don?t have access to it. > > > > I do agree that the UI of Acrobat is not keyboard friendly and many of us > with and without disabilities find it easier to use the keyboard for tasks > than the mouse. In this respect, Adobe has seriously dropped the ball and > never picked it up again. > > > > For me, these are the two main issues: you have to be able to see the > content to Tag it and ensure tagging is correct; and, keyboard support in > Acrobat is quite poor. > > > > There are some of the QA tasks that can be done if you use a screen > reader. But a screen reader can?t identify untagged content. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto: > athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of *Ron Stewart > *Sent:* December 13, 2013 6:53 PM > > *To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > *Subject:* RE: [Athen] Accessibility of Adobe Acrobat Pro > > > > Evening, the base answer is no unfortunately. We just did a huge > document remediation project for one of our major clients, not the first > one. One of the reasons that we did it is because their internal folks who > require non-mouse based access could just not do the work to meet the needs > of users both with and without disabilities and this is one of the largest > providers of content in the English speaking world. I like the work, but > to be honest I also regret taking it on. > > > > I do not believe that ADOBE has spent any significant resources in making > their document development environments even marginally accessible. The > exception would be Dreamweaver, but even there you need to operate in code > mode. None of the WYSIWIG interfaces even come close. Would love to hear > that I am wrong, but for me accessible does not also mean that I have to > memorize a whole slew of non-standard keyboard commands. That does not > mean that it is impossible, but like Google ADOBE has played this love hate > game with accessibility for a long time. I have to commend their > accessibility group for their work, but corporately ADOBE is right up there > with the other vendors in playing lip service to accessibility. > > > > Sorry to sound so jaded, but I have now been working in this space for > twenty years and I think it is justified. > > > > Ron Stewart > > > > *From:* athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [ > mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] > *On Behalf Of *Howard Kramer > *Sent:* Friday, December 13, 2013 4:16 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* [Athen] Accessibility of Adobe Acrobat Pro > > > > Hello All: > > > > I would assume at this point that Acrobat Pro would be fully accessible to > keyboard and screenreader users. But just wanted to check - what's the > current state of its accessibility? > > > > Thanks, > > Howard > > > > -- > > Howard Kramer > > Conference Coordinator > > Accessing Higher Ground > > 303-492-8672 > > cell: 720-351-8668 > > > > AHEAD Association of Higher Education and Disability > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 AHEAD Association of Higher Education and Disability -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From norm.coombs at gmail.com Mon Dec 16 19:47:11 2013 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] EASI Free Webinar: Accessible Digital Images Message-ID: <52afc964.e667b60a.3558.543a@mx.google.com> EASI Free Webinar: Accessible Digital Images Dec. 19 at 11 Pacific, noon Mountain, 1 Central and 2 PM Eastern Presenter: Julie Noblitt, Community Manager at the DIAGRAM Center Digital images, especially STEM images (including mathematical equations), can present a significant challenge to students with print disabilities. How can content providers and platforms ensure that digital images are truly usable by everyone? In this session, we will discuss the emerging ecosystem of tools, standards, and research designed to ensure that images are accessible to all online. Julie Noblitt is Community Manager at the DIAGRAM Center, an OSEP-funded R&D center devoted to making it easier, faster, and cheaper to create and use accessible images for students with print disabilities. Register for the Diagram Center Webinar Dec. 19 http://easi.cc/clinic.htm#december EASI Free Webinar: Accessible Digital Images Dec. 19 at 11 Pacific, noon Mountain, 1 Central and 2 PM Eastern Presenter: Julie Noblitt, Community Manager at the DIAGRAM Center Digital images, especially STEM images (including mathematical equations), can present a significant challenge to students with print disabilities. How can content providers and platforms ensure that digital images are truly usable by everyone? In this session, we will discuss the emerging ecosystem of tools, standards, and research designed to ensure that images are accessible to all online. Julie Noblitt is Community Manager at the DIAGRAM Center, an OSEP-funded R&D center devoted to making it easier, faster, and cheaper to create and use accessible images for students with print disabilities. Register for the Diagram Center Webinar Dec. 19 http://easi.cc/clinic.htm#december From jamzk7 at mail.missouri.edu Tue Dec 17 09:03:28 2013 From: jamzk7 at mail.missouri.edu (McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student)) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Office 365 and Jaws Message-ID: <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C45936281607811C@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com> Good morning, I am wondering if any of you have had problems with Office 365 Microsoft webmail. We discovered that the log-in screen is not accessible with jaws. The password box does not gain focus when using the screenreader. We believe this could be due to recent updates. Is anyone else encountering this? Thanks. Julie McGinnity University of Missouri, Adaptive Computing and Technology Center From dabrus at purdue.edu Tue Dec 17 11:30:16 2013 From: dabrus at purdue.edu (Brusnighan, Dean A.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] CommonLook PDF and CommonLook Office software In-Reply-To: References: <6C34E066F6CB094DAFDDC75802CC64FE152D71B0@WPVEXCMBX08.purdue.lcl> Message-ID: <6C34E066F6CB094DAFDDC75802CC64FE152E0AE8@WPVEXCMBX08.purdue.lcl> Wow. What a wealth of information! Thanks Ken. This is valuable. Dean From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ken Petri Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:31 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] CommonLook PDF and CommonLook Office software Dean, There are very few other options in this space, but there are some (see last couple of paragraphs of this email). We have had a lot of difficulty with the Commonlook software license managers, but I think we have narrowed this down to issues with our networking set up -- in other words, it's not a problem with Commonlook, but with our own networking (I'm pretty sure....). The software itself is quite good. Commonlook Office Pro is the way to go with that tool, as that edition has the ability to create accessible complex tables and it works with PowerPoint. PDF, the plugin for Acrobat, has a learning curve. And what I mean by this is it is an expert tool. It is not enough to be able to simply run the plugin. The person doing the remediation must be aware of what makes a PDF accessible, what are the semantics of PDF tags, etc. in order to produce a truly accessible PDF. But compared to trying to edit tag structures in Acrobat -- well, there is no comparison because editing tags, creating artifacts, dealing with weird textruns, etc. is simply way too much work without CL PDF. It does a lot of clean up for you, automatically (of textruns, linebreaks, empty tags, etc) that is hugely time consuming to do manually. CL PDF is expensive, though. I think a few copies and only for people who are working a lot with PDF would make sense -- library and university communications/marketing, etc. In our case, almost all of Student Life and University Marketing Communications are InDesign users, and if you're going to use InDesign to produce PDF you are going to need to do after the fact remediation. So CL PDF is a good investment for that group. You could learn the tool and do internal training. CL does provide training and it's good -- we did it here at OSU, funded by a grant -- but the training is expensive, also. CL Office Pro is very simple to use. Much simpler than anything else that produces accessible results. You could teach a half-hour workshop to faculty on how to use it and you'd be good. It's really straight forward. Note that CL Pro is supposed to be able to produce accessible PDF forms. I would say that this feature is not yet adequate. You have to use the activex controls, only, in Word to get CL to recognize form elements and then the visual display of the forms produced is not very good -- you'll need to go back in in Acrobat and adjust the visual look and feel. But for non-form PowerPoint and Word, CL Pro is a valuable tool. I have been told by CL staff that CL products are moving toward PDF U/A compliance. I would press them on this. CL should be producing PDF U/A/Matterhorn Protocol compliant documents. The other thing that I always advise creators to do with producing PDF is make sure there is a good bookmarks structure, that the bookmarks panel is set to display when the PDF loads in Reader or Acrobat, and that the title of the document, not its file name, appears in the top of the reader window. These are all things that you currently have to do manually with CL products. You have to run CL Pro or PDF, to into Acrobat and then set up bookmarks and title to display, etc. I personally think that there should be options (on by default) in CL Pro and PDF to set these display characteristics for you -- and save the hassle of doing them manually. I know most faculty will likely forget to do those things. CL Pro should just do them for you. On that score, there is a free (currently in beta) tool that produces really nice, almost fully PDF U/A compliant PDF from Word -- and it displays the title, sets the document language, and sets the bookmarks panel to open by default. It's called axesPDF for Word. Since it's in beta, there are parts of it that don't work yet (are turned off), but it does have the very very useful ability to map Word styles to table headings (and other structures), so when your PDF exports the one and two dimensional tables in it don't require any after the fact remediation. axesPDF also produces really clean tag structures. For example, the days of figures floating to the top of the tag tree are gone with axesPDF. Word content styled using blockquote and captions on figures are correctly tagged in the PDF tag structure. And extra empty paragraphs are stripped automatically. It's available here: http://www.axespdf.com/. All of the videos and most of the text on the site (and some in the application itself) are in German. axesPDF isn't wizard based like CL Pro and so it does require a bit more training. But as far as I can tell, it is doing just as good a job as CL Pro. Running a Word document through it and through CL Pro and then checking with the PAC 2 checker shows that axesPDF actually right now produces a PDF that is closer to PDF U/A compliance than is the PDF produced by CL Pro. In addition to PAC 2 for checking PDF, have a look at callas' pdfGoHTML. That free Acrobat plugin makes good arguments for tagged PDF, since it can produce accessible HTML documents from the PDF tag structure on the fly. pdfGoHTML (and PAC 2) provide really nice visualizations of PDF tag structures, too. Feel free to call if you want to talk about this in more detail or need me to clarify anything, Dean. ken [The Ohio State University] Ken Petri, Program Director Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for Disability Services 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax petri.1@osu.edu wac.osu.edu On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Brusnighan, Dean A. > wrote: Hi All, Several Purdue campuses are planning to evaluate CommonLook PDF and CommonLook Office software by NetCentric. I have two questions: 1) have you had good or challenging experiences with either of these tools? Feel free to share offline if you prefer. 2) do you know of any alternatives to these tools? I have been asked to provide a list of alternatives to ensure due diligence. As a reminder: * CommonLook Office is used to save Microsoft Word and Powerpoint files as accessible PDF documents. * CommonLook PDF is used to modify existing PDF documents to make them accessible. Thanks in advance for sharing your insights! Dean ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dean Brusnighan Assistive Technology Specialist Purdue University, Young Hall 155 S. Grant Street West Lafayette, IN 47907-2108 Phone: 765-494-9082 dabrus@purdue.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petri.1 at osu.edu Tue Dec 17 11:34:07 2013 From: petri.1 at osu.edu (Ken Petri) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] CommonLook PDF and CommonLook Office software In-Reply-To: <6C34E066F6CB094DAFDDC75802CC64FE152E0AE8@WPVEXCMBX08.purdue.lcl> References: <6C34E066F6CB094DAFDDC75802CC64FE152D71B0@WPVEXCMBX08.purdue.lcl> <6C34E066F6CB094DAFDDC75802CC64FE152E0AE8@WPVEXCMBX08.purdue.lcl> Message-ID: Hope it's useful. Definitely give the axesPDF thing a whirl. It's great for free (hope it stays that way). k [image: The Ohio State University] Ken Petri, Program Director Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for Disability Services 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax petri.1@osu.edu wac.osu.edu On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Brusnighan, Dean A. wrote: > Wow. What a wealth of information! Thanks Ken. This is valuable. > > > > Dean > > > > *From:* athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto: > athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of *Ken Petri > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:31 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] CommonLook PDF and CommonLook Office software > > > > Dean, > > There are very few other options in this space, but there are some (see > last couple of paragraphs of this email). We have had a lot of difficulty > with the Commonlook software license managers, but I think we have narrowed > this down to issues with our networking set up -- in other words, it's not > a problem with Commonlook, but with our own networking (I'm pretty > sure....). > > The software itself is quite good. Commonlook Office Pro is the way to go > with that tool, as that edition has the ability to create accessible > complex tables and it works with PowerPoint. > > PDF, the plugin for Acrobat, has a learning curve. And what I mean by this > is it is an expert tool. It is not enough to be able to simply run the > plugin. The person doing the remediation must be aware of what makes a PDF > accessible, what are the semantics of PDF tags, etc. in order to produce a > truly accessible PDF. But compared to trying to edit tag structures in > Acrobat -- well, there is no comparison because editing tags, creating > artifacts, dealing with weird textruns, etc. is simply way too much work > without CL PDF. It does a lot of clean up for you, automatically (of > textruns, linebreaks, empty tags, etc) that is hugely time consuming to do > manually. > > CL PDF is expensive, though. I think a few copies and only for people who > are working a lot with PDF would make sense -- library and university > communications/marketing, etc. In our case, almost all of Student Life and > University Marketing Communications are InDesign users, and if you're going > to use InDesign to produce PDF you are going to need to do after the fact > remediation. So CL PDF is a good investment for that group. You could learn > the tool and do internal training. CL does provide training and it's good > -- we did it here at OSU, funded by a grant -- but the training is > expensive, also. > > > > CL Office Pro is very simple to use. Much simpler than anything else that > produces accessible results. You could teach a half-hour workshop to > faculty on how to use it and you'd be good. It's really straight forward. > > Note that CL Pro is supposed to be able to produce accessible PDF forms. I > would say that this feature is not yet adequate. You have to use the > activex controls, only, in Word to get CL to recognize form elements and > then the visual display of the forms produced is not very good -- you'll > need to go back in in Acrobat and adjust the visual look and feel. But for > non-form PowerPoint and Word, CL Pro is a valuable tool. > > > I have been told by CL staff that CL products are moving toward PDF U/A > compliance. I would press them on this. CL should be producing PDF > U/A/Matterhorn Protocol compliant documents. The other thing that I always > advise creators to do with producing PDF is make sure there is a good > bookmarks structure, that the bookmarks panel is set to display when the > PDF loads in Reader or Acrobat, and that the title of the document, not its > file name, appears in the top of the reader window. These are all things > that you currently have to do manually with CL products. You have to run CL > Pro or PDF, to into Acrobat and then set up bookmarks and title to display, > etc. I personally think that there should be options (on by default) in CL > Pro and PDF to set these display characteristics for you -- and save the > hassle of doing them manually. I know most faculty will likely forget to do > those things. CL Pro should just do them for you. > > On that score, there is a free (currently in beta) tool that produces > really nice, almost fully PDF U/A compliant PDF from Word -- and it > displays the title, sets the document language, and sets the bookmarks > panel to open by default. It's called axesPDF for Word. Since it's in beta, > there are parts of it that don't work yet (are turned off), but it does > have the very very useful ability to map Word styles to table headings (and > other structures), so when your PDF exports the one and two dimensional > tables in it don't require any after the fact remediation. axesPDF also > produces really clean tag structures. For example, the days of figures > floating to the top of the tag tree are gone with axesPDF. Word content > styled using blockquote and captions on figures are correctly tagged in the > PDF tag structure. And extra empty paragraphs are stripped automatically. > > It's available here: http://www.axespdf.com/. All of the videos and most > of the text on the site (and some in the application itself) are in German. > > axesPDF isn't wizard based like CL Pro and so it does require a bit more > training. But as far as I can tell, it is doing just as good a job as CL > Pro. Running a Word document through it and through CL Pro and then > checking with the PAC 2 checker shows that axesPDF actually right now > produces a PDF that is closer to PDF U/A compliance than is the PDF > produced by CL Pro. > > In addition to PAC 2 for checking PDF, have a look at callas' pdfGoHTML. > That free Acrobat plugin makes good arguments for tagged PDF, since it can > produce accessible HTML documents from the PDF tag structure on the fly. > pdfGoHTML (and PAC 2) provide really nice visualizations of PDF tag > structures, too. > > Feel free to call if you want to talk about this in more detail or need me > to clarify anything, Dean. > > ken > > > > > [image: The Ohio State University] > *Ken Petri*, Program Director > Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for > Disability Services > 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 > 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax > *petri.1@osu.edu* *wac.osu.edu* > > > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Brusnighan, Dean A. > wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Several Purdue campuses are planning to evaluate CommonLook PDF and > CommonLook Office software by NetCentric. > > > > I have two questions: > > > > 1) have you had good or challenging experiences with either of these > tools? Feel free to share offline if you prefer. > > 2) do you know of any alternatives to these tools? I have been asked to > provide a list of alternatives to ensure due diligence. > > > > As a reminder: > > * CommonLook Office is used to save Microsoft Word and Powerpoint files as > accessible PDF documents. > > * CommonLook PDF is used to modify existing PDF documents to make them > accessible. > > > > Thanks in advance for sharing your insights! > > > > Dean > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Dean Brusnighan > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Purdue University, Young Hall > > 155 S. Grant Street > > West Lafayette, IN 47907-2108 > > Phone: 765-494-9082 > > dabrus@purdue.edu > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Oracle - PeopleSoft Hello wonderful ATHENites, Has anyone advocated to Oracle, who now owns PeopleSoft, for more accessibility within their tool? Thanks Abbie O'Sullivan Manager of Computing Sites, Adaptive Technology University of Missouri Division of IT Customer Service & Support C242 Pershing Columbia, MO 65211 office (573)882-6525 cell (573) 289-1245 osullivana@missouri.edu [cid:image001.png@01C9E2AD.109464F0] Email is not a secure form of communication; confidentiality cannot be guaranteed. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender of the error and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Asking the question; With the multitudes of products within the portfolio, might there be products that functionality overlap (do the same thing), and if so - does Oracle recommend the more accessible - over less accessible product to its customers? I recall the answer was, Yes - but, the customer needs to ask. Cumulative consumer efforts? Bill G -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman2.u.washington.edu Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:02 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 95, Issue 12 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman2.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman2.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Oracle - PeopleSoft (OSullivan, Abbie R.) 2. RE: Oracle - PeopleSoft (Normajean.Brand) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:55:39 +0000 From: "OSullivan, Abbie R." Subject: [Athen] Oracle - PeopleSoft To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu)" Message-ID: <85B8BEEA51977F4A9B00DE1B744F93E3DB39F267@UM-MBX-N02.um.umsystem.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello wonderful ATHENites, Has anyone advocated to Oracle, who now owns PeopleSoft, for more accessibility within their tool? Thanks Abbie O'Sullivan Manager of Computing Sites, Adaptive Technology University of Missouri Division of IT Customer Service & Support C242 Pershing Columbia, MO 65211 office (573)882-6525 cell (573) 289-1245 osullivana@missouri.edu [cid:image001.png@01C9E2AD.109464F0] Email is not a secure form of communication; confidentiality cannot be guaranteed. 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We have several employees who need the accessibility to do their jobs but so far... sigh. From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of OSullivan, Abbie R. Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Oracle - PeopleSoft Hello wonderful ATHENites, Has anyone advocated to Oracle, who now owns PeopleSoft, for more accessibility within their tool? Thanks Abbie O'Sullivan Manager of Computing Sites, Adaptive Technology University of Missouri Division of IT Customer Service & Support C242 Pershing Columbia, MO 65211 office (573)882-6525 cell (573) 289-1245 osullivana@missouri.edu [cid:image001.png@01C9E2AD.109464F0] Email is not a secure form of communication; confidentiality cannot be guaranteed. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender of the error and delete this message and any attachments. 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During an Oracle presentation of the company commitment to accessibility, the speaker mentioned the many multitudes of products that comprise Oracle's portfolio; noting that some were more accessible than others at acquisition. Adding, that the company actively pursues first launch development of accessible products, and remediation of post launch product features that express access barriers. Asking the question; With the multitudes of products within the portfolio, might there be products with functionality overlap (that do the same thing), and if so - does Oracle recommend the more accessible - over less accessible product to its customers? I recall the answer was, Yes - but, the customer needs to ask. A cumulative consumer request? Bill G -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman2.u.washington.edu Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:02 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 95, Issue 12 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman2.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman2.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Oracle - PeopleSoft (OSullivan, Abbie R.) 2. RE: Oracle - PeopleSoft (Normajean.Brand) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:55:39 +0000 From: "OSullivan, Abbie R." Subject: [Athen] Oracle - PeopleSoft To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu)" Message-ID: <85B8BEEA51977F4A9B00DE1B744F93E3DB39F267@UM-MBX-N02.um.umsystem.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello wonderful ATHENites, Has anyone advocated to Oracle, who now owns PeopleSoft, for more accessibility within their tool? Thanks Abbie O'Sullivan Manager of Computing Sites, Adaptive Technology University of Missouri Division of IT Customer Service & Support C242 Pershing Columbia, MO 65211 office (573)882-6525 cell (573) 289-1245 osullivana@missouri.edu [cid:image001.png@01C9E2AD.109464F0] Email is not a secure form of communication; confidentiality cannot be guaranteed. 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We have several employees who need the accessibility to do their jobs but so far... sigh. From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of OSullivan, Abbie R. Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Oracle - PeopleSoft Hello wonderful ATHENites, Has anyone advocated to Oracle, who now owns PeopleSoft, for more accessibility within their tool? Thanks Abbie O'Sullivan Manager of Computing Sites, Adaptive Technology University of Missouri Division of IT Customer Service & Support C242 Pershing Columbia, MO 65211 office (573)882-6525 cell (573) 289-1245 osullivana@missouri.edu [cid:image001.png@01C9E2AD.109464F0] Email is not a secure form of communication; confidentiality cannot be guaranteed. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender of the error and delete this message and any attachments. 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Fusion is supposed to have a decent amount of accessibility baked into it. Oracle discovered that to migrate PeopleSoft from the PeopleTools environment to the Fusion environment would be quite difficult, so Oracle's initial plans to move PeopleSoft to Fusion were scrapped. Oracle is currently, and slowly, working on adding accessibility features into PeopleTools and PeopleSoft. PeopleTools does have some accessibility support, but it heavily depends on what version you are running of PeopleTools and all of the other PeopleSoft products. Oracle follows a two-door approach to accessibility - the "normal" UI and the accessibile UI. There is the ability to enable accessible navigation. Once you do that the UI will change slightly and be more keyboard and screen reader accessible. Even doing that, there are still some issues to contend with concerning tab order. That's the quick overview of PeopleSoft accessibility. I hope this helps. Greg -- Greg Kraus University IT Accessibility Coordinator NC State University 919.513.4087 gdkraus@ncsu.edu http://go.ncsu.edu/itaccess On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Bill Grubaugh wrote: > CSUN 2013. > During an Oracle presentation of the company commitment to accessibility, the speaker mentioned the many multitudes of products that comprise Oracle's portfolio; noting that some were more accessible than others at acquisition. > Adding, that the company actively pursues first launch development of accessible products, and remediation of post launch product features that express access barriers. > > Asking the question; > With the multitudes of products within the portfolio, might there be products with functionality overlap (that do the same thing), and if so - does Oracle recommend the more accessible - over less accessible product to its customers? > > I recall the answer was, Yes - but, the customer needs to ask. > > A cumulative consumer request? > > Bill G > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman2.u.washington.edu > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:02 PM > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 95, Issue 12 > > Send athen-list mailing list submissions to > athen-list@u.washington.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-list-request@mailman2.u.washington.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-list-owner@mailman2.u.washington.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. 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RE: Oracle - PeopleSoft (Normajean.Brand) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:55:39 +0000 > From: "OSullivan, Abbie R." > Subject: [Athen] Oracle - PeopleSoft > To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network > (athen-list@u.washington.edu)" > Message-ID: > <85B8BEEA51977F4A9B00DE1B744F93E3DB39F267@UM-MBX-N02.um.umsystem.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello wonderful ATHENites, > > Has anyone advocated to Oracle, who now owns PeopleSoft, for more accessibility within their tool? > > Thanks > > Abbie O'Sullivan > Manager of Computing Sites, Adaptive Technology University of Missouri Division of IT Customer Service & Support > C242 Pershing > Columbia, MO 65211 > office (573)882-6525 > cell (573) 289-1245 > osullivana@missouri.edu > [cid:image001.png@01C9E2AD.109464F0] > > Email is not a secure form of communication; confidentiality cannot be guaranteed. 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We have several employees who need the accessibility to do their jobs but so far... sigh. > > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of OSullivan, Abbie R. > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 7:56 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [Athen] Oracle - PeopleSoft > > Hello wonderful ATHENites, > > Has anyone advocated to Oracle, who now owns PeopleSoft, for more accessibility within their tool? > > Thanks > > Abbie O'Sullivan > Manager of Computing Sites, Adaptive Technology University of Missouri Division of IT Customer Service & Support > C242 Pershing > Columbia, MO 65211 > office (573)882-6525 > cell (573) 289-1245 > osullivana@missouri.edu > [cid:image001.png@01C9E2AD.109464F0] > > Email is not a secure form of communication; confidentiality cannot be guaranteed. 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Thank you. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20131218/692bd858/attachment-0001.htm > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2843 bytes > Desc: image001.jpg > Url : http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20131218/692bd858/image001-0001.jpg > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu > http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > End of athen-list Digest, Vol 95, Issue 12 > ****************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu > http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From jsuttondc at gmail.com Wed Dec 18 17:03:55 2013 From: jsuttondc at gmail.com (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] WAI's Accessible E-Learning Online Symposium Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20131218170053.01f3eff0@gmail.com> Greetings, ATHEN members: I thought some of you might be interested in the proceedings from the recent Accessible E-Learning Online Symposium hosted by the Web Accessibility Initiative. This was held on December 16, and here's a link to the site, where papers have been posted: http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2013/e-learning/#proceedings From petri.1 at osu.edu Thu Dec 19 07:14:39 2013 From: petri.1 at osu.edu (Ken Petri) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Message-ID: Ohio State students use Microsoft's hosted email system. (Faculty and staff use a local Exchange instance.) The service for students that we call Buckeyemail was upgraded by Microsoft earlier this week to keep it in line with the MS 365 product. We found that, once you had logged in once and your browser recognized your organizational email address, subsequent logins with the same browser gave you a login interface that was not (easily) accessible to screen reader users. The organizational login button is not clickable using a screen reader, unless you put the screen reader into pass-through mode -- something that we felt our students would be unlikely to discover on their own. We have put a notification up on our Buckeyemail/email selection page, here: https://email.osu.edu/ Right now users are directed to contact our help line, but in the next day or so we will be adding a link to a knowledge base article that explains how to work around the issue. We are also in contact with MS through our campus rep. If your campus uses 365 for student or other email, your screen reader users may be affected. Note that keyboard only users are not affected. Note also that we could not get VoiceOver on Mac to work with the login interface at all. The problem is only apparent after you have logged in once and your browser sets the cookie to remember your username for subsequent logins. Best, ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lissner.2 at osu.edu Thu Dec 19 07:29:41 2013 From: lissner.2 at osu.edu (Lissner, L S. (Scott )) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks, nicely done. From: Ken Petri [mailto:petri.1@osu.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:14 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network ; CIC IT Accessibility Usability Group Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Ohio State students use Microsoft's hosted email system. (Faculty and staff use a local Exchange instance.) The service for students that we call Buckeyemail was upgraded by Microsoft earlier this week to keep it in line with the MS 365 product. We found that, once you had logged in once and your browser recognized your organizational email address, subsequent logins with the same browser gave you a login interface that was not (easily) accessible to screen reader users. The organizational login button is not clickable using a screen reader, unless you put the screen reader into pass-through mode -- something that we felt our students would be unlikely to discover on their own. We have put a notification up on our Buckeyemail/email selection page, here: https://email.osu.edu/ Right now users are directed to contact our help line, but in the next day or so we will be adding a link to a knowledge base article that explains how to work around the issue. We are also in contact with MS through our campus rep. If your campus uses 365 for student or other email, your screen reader users may be affected. Note that keyboard only users are not affected. Note also that we could not get VoiceOver on Mac to work with the login interface at all. The problem is only apparent after you have logged in once and your browser sets the cookie to remember your username for subsequent logins. Best, ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norm.coombs at gmail.com Thu Dec 19 08:10:43 2013 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Will Help Launch a New Association for Accessibility Professionals Message-ID: <52b31a88.886fb60a.2074.fffff431@mx.google.com> I just picked this announcement up and feel it is relevant to ATHEN members.... Norm Microsoft Will Help Launch a New Association for Accessibility Professionals Daniel Hubbell - MSFT 17 Dec 2013 7:11 AM * 2 Picture of Rob Sinclair This blog post was written by Rob Sinclair, Microsoft's Chief Accessibility Officer. Rob is responsible for the company's worldwide strategy to develop software and services that make it easier for people of all ages and abilities to see, hear, and use their computers. ----- Last month, I joined the founding members of the International Association of Accessibility Professionals (IAAP) in a meeting where we discussed the next steps to create an association and transform accessibility into a globally recognized and respected profession. In March, we will take one of our biggest steps by formally launching the Association. So far, accessibility has developed at a grassroots level, hindered by an inconsistent approach to training as well as the absence of certifications and an established career path for engineers to follow from higher education into the workplace. This new association will begin solving these challenges by creating a global community for people and organizations working in accessibility to share expertise and resources, support one another's work, and follow developments in this fast-changing field. As part of this effort, the group will develop training materials, webinars and other educational resources and point people to the wealth of existing industry resources. All of this will lead to IAAP developing professional certifications to help individuals demonstrate their level of expertise in one or more aspects of accessibility and help them keep that expertise current. Overall, the association's goal is to help elevate the level of expertise held by the growing number of people, around the world, who are designing or authoring content, media, software, devices, and more. Perhaps most importantly, the association is an effort to create a stronger sense of profession in a field of frequently self-taught practitioners. It will help those working full-time in accessibility as well as those that only include it as part of their jobs. It will support companies and organizations by helping their leaders understand how to build a successful accessibility program and develop the organizational capacity needed to deliver accessibility solutions. We have a lot to do in the next three months including the creation of an accessible infrastructure, including a website, to serve the association and its members. It also includes beginning work to develop content, like webinars, and a platform to share insights and experience from experts in the field. All of this is being achieved through the contributions of the 23 founding member organizations, representing five countries, that have committed money, personnel and materials to help prepare for the IAAP launch. The window of opportunity to become a Founding Member organization is quickly closing. If you are interested in contributing to the IAAP in this leadership capacity, or if you simply have a question or suggestion, please send us mail at info@accessibilityassociation.org. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Thu Dec 19 08:25:50 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Will Help Launch a New Association for Accessibility Professionals In-Reply-To: <52b31a88.886fb60a.2074.fffff431@mx.google.com> References: <52b31a88.886fb60a.2074.fffff431@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <05f201cefcd6$fb94d8c0$f2be8a40$@ahead.org> Thanks Norm I am looking into this. ATHEN has been involved in this effort since its very beginning but they have not done a very good job of keeping us all informed. My concern is that it may be another pay to play effort given the involvement of ATIA and primarily large IT companies. I know that both I and Greg Vanderheiden (sp?) have expressed our concern about their claims to have involved education in this effort when they really have not. Ron Stewart. From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:11 AM To: athen-list-u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Will Help Launch a New Association for Accessibility Professionals I just picked this announcement up and feel it is relevant to ATHEN members.... Norm Microsoft Will Help Launch a New Association for Accessibility Professionals Daniel Hubbell - MSFT 17 Dec 2013 7:11 AM * 2 Picture of Rob Sinclair This blog post was written by Rob Sinclair, Microsoft's Chief Accessibility Officer. Rob is responsible for the company's worldwide strategy to develop software and services that make it easier for people of all ages and abilities to see, hear, and use their computers. ----- Last month, I joined the founding members of the International Association of Accessibility Professionals (IAAP) in a meeting where we discussed the next steps to create an association and transform accessibility into a globally recognized and respected profession. In March, we will take one of our biggest steps by formally launching the Association. So far, accessibility has developed at a grassroots level, hindered by an inconsistent approach to training as well as the absence of certifications and an established career path for engineers to follow from higher education into the workplace. This new association will begin solving these challenges by creating a global community for people and organizations working in accessibility to share expertise and resources, support one another's work, and follow developments in this fast-changing field. As part of this effort, the group will develop training materials, webinars and other educational resources and point people to the wealth of existing industry resources. All of this will lead to IAAP developing professional certifications to help individuals demonstrate their level of expertise in one or more aspects of accessibility and help them keep that expertise current. Overall, the association's goal is to help elevate the level of expertise held by the growing number of people, around the world, who are designing or authoring content, media, software, devices, and more. Perhaps most importantly, the association is an effort to create a stronger sense of profession in a field of frequently self-taught practitioners. It will help those working full-time in accessibility as well as those that only include it as part of their jobs. It will support companies and organizations by helping their leaders understand how to build a successful accessibility program and develop the organizational capacity needed to deliver accessibility solutions. We have a lot to do in the next three months including the creation of an accessible infrastructure, including a website, to serve the association and its members. It also includes beginning work to develop content, like webinars, and a platform to share insights and experience from experts in the field. All of this is being achieved through the contributions of the 23 founding member organizations, representing five countries, that have committed money, personnel and materials to help prepare for the IAAP launch. The window of opportunity to become a Founding Member organization is quickly closing. If you are interested in contributing to the IAAP in this leadership capacity, or if you simply have a question or suggestion, please send us mail at info@accessibilityassociation.org. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Thu Dec 19 08:29:08 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Will Help Launch a New Association for Accessibility Professionals References: <52b31a88.886fb60a.2074.fffff431@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <05f701cefcd7$71359bf0$53a0d3d0$@ahead.org> Here is their website: http://accessibilityassociation.org/ Ron Stewart From: Ron Stewart [mailto:ron@ahead.org] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:26 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Microsoft Will Help Launch a New Association for Accessibility Professionals Thanks Norm I am looking into this. ATHEN has been involved in this effort since its very beginning but they have not done a very good job of keeping us all informed. My concern is that it may be another pay to play effort given the involvement of ATIA and primarily large IT companies. I know that both I and Greg Vanderheiden (sp?) have expressed our concern about their claims to have involved education in this effort when they really have not. Ron Stewart. From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Prof Norm Coombs Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:11 AM To: athen-list-u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Microsoft Will Help Launch a New Association for Accessibility Professionals I just picked this announcement up and feel it is relevant to ATHEN members.... Norm Microsoft Will Help Launch a New Association for Accessibility Professionals Daniel Hubbell - MSFT 17 Dec 2013 7:11 AM * 2 Picture of Rob Sinclair This blog post was written by Rob Sinclair, Microsoft's Chief Accessibility Officer. Rob is responsible for the company's worldwide strategy to develop software and services that make it easier for people of all ages and abilities to see, hear, and use their computers. ----- Last month, I joined the founding members of the International Association of Accessibility Professionals (IAAP) in a meeting where we discussed the next steps to create an association and transform accessibility into a globally recognized and respected profession. In March, we will take one of our biggest steps by formally launching the Association. So far, accessibility has developed at a grassroots level, hindered by an inconsistent approach to training as well as the absence of certifications and an established career path for engineers to follow from higher education into the workplace. This new association will begin solving these challenges by creating a global community for people and organizations working in accessibility to share expertise and resources, support one another's work, and follow developments in this fast-changing field. As part of this effort, the group will develop training materials, webinars and other educational resources and point people to the wealth of existing industry resources. All of this will lead to IAAP developing professional certifications to help individuals demonstrate their level of expertise in one or more aspects of accessibility and help them keep that expertise current. Overall, the association's goal is to help elevate the level of expertise held by the growing number of people, around the world, who are designing or authoring content, media, software, devices, and more. Perhaps most importantly, the association is an effort to create a stronger sense of profession in a field of frequently self-taught practitioners. It will help those working full-time in accessibility as well as those that only include it as part of their jobs. It will support companies and organizations by helping their leaders understand how to build a successful accessibility program and develop the organizational capacity needed to deliver accessibility solutions. We have a lot to do in the next three months including the creation of an accessible infrastructure, including a website, to serve the association and its members. It also includes beginning work to develop content, like webinars, and a platform to share insights and experience from experts in the field. All of this is being achieved through the contributions of the 23 founding member organizations, representing five countries, that have committed money, personnel and materials to help prepare for the IAAP launch. The window of opportunity to become a Founding Member organization is quickly closing. If you are interested in contributing to the IAAP in this leadership capacity, or if you simply have a question or suggestion, please send us mail at info@accessibilityassociation.org. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jamzk7 at mail.missouri.edu Thu Dec 19 10:27:17 2013 From: jamzk7 at mail.missouri.edu (McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student)) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C459362816078511@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com> Thank you for this. It fits perfectly with what we found as well. Even in pass through mode with Jaws 14, I could not get the form field to show up. We also found that the mouse would not even access the forms when Jaws was on. I would love to view any work-arounds that you have devised. ________________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Ken Petri [petri.1@osu.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:14 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; CIC IT Accessibility Usability Group Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Ohio State students use Microsoft's hosted email system. (Faculty and staff use a local Exchange instance.) The service for students that we call Buckeyemail was upgraded by Microsoft earlier this week to keep it in line with the MS 365 product. We found that, once you had logged in once and your browser recognized your organizational email address, subsequent logins with the same browser gave you a login interface that was not (easily) accessible to screen reader users. The organizational login button is not clickable using a screen reader, unless you put the screen reader into pass-through mode -- something that we felt our students would be unlikely to discover on their own. We have put a notification up on our Buckeyemail/email selection page, here: https://email.osu.edu/ Right now users are directed to contact our help line, but in the next day or so we will be adding a link to a knowledge base article that explains how to work around the issue. We are also in contact with MS through our campus rep. If your campus uses 365 for student or other email, your screen reader users may be affected. Note that keyboard only users are not affected. Note also that we could not get VoiceOver on Mac to work with the login interface at all. The problem is only apparent after you have logged in once and your browser sets the cookie to remember your username for subsequent logins. Best, ken From jamzk7 at mail.missouri.edu Thu Dec 19 10:57:24 2013 From: jamzk7 at mail.missouri.edu (McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student)) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Voice Thread Message-ID: <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C45936281607858C@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com> Good afternoon, Have any of you had any experience with Voice Thread, which can be integrated with Blackboard? The University of Missouri is about to launch it, and we are wondering about its accessibility. Thanks. Julie McGinnity University of Missouri Adaptive Computing and Technology Center From tft at uw.edu Thu Dec 19 10:59:41 2013 From: tft at uw.edu (Terrill Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Seeking testers of new Library of Congress accessibility toolkit Message-ID: Hi All, I was contacted by Molly Schwartz, who's working with the Library of Congress to develop a new toolkit that will help research libraries make their digital collections and services more usable and accessible. She's seeking participants to do some accessibility and usability testing. Here's how Molly describes the toolkit: "The toolkit will include a suite of solutions, organizational models, and best practices for the research library community will be compiled so that the research library community may collect, produce, curate, preserve, and make available their digital assets in a fully inclusive and accessible way." They will be conducting iterative usability and accessibility tests on the toolkit as they develop it and would like to test it on real future users. Since many of you probably work closely with folks from your libraries, please forward this message on to anyone you know who might be interested. Interested persons should contact Molly directly: molly@arl.org Thanks, Terrill --- Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology University of Washington tft@uw.edu From petri.1 at osu.edu Thu Dec 19 11:16:06 2013 From: petri.1 at osu.edu (Ken Petri) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login In-Reply-To: <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C459362816078511@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com> References: <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C459362816078511@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: Julie, Interestingly, MS Narrator + IE (Win 8) had no problem with the login. Go figure. Mac VoiceOver users appear to be totally out of luck -- I'd be interested to hear of others have had experience with Mac + VoiceOver, especially. We were able to use JAWS and NVDA in pass-through mode. I'll have to check on versions and browser combinations. But that is our current work-around: JAWS-KEY + z or NVDA-KEY + space bar and then tab to the "organizational login" announcement and press Enter to have focus put into the password field. If that one doesn't pan out in further testing, the alternative is to clear the browser cookies and cache and reload, which returns you to the "first timer" login screen. I'm hoping to avoid that "solution," as it's a serious hassle. It's a bad situation and one that Microsoft really should fix immediately. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:27 PM, McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) < jamzk7@mail.missouri.edu> wrote: > Thank you for this. It fits perfectly with what we found as well. Even > in pass through mode with Jaws 14, I could not get the form field to show > up. > > We also found that the mouse would not even access the forms when Jaws was > on. I would love to view any work-arounds that you have devised. > ________________________________________ > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [ > athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Ken Petri [ > petri.1@osu.edu] > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:14 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; CIC IT Accessibility > Usability Group > Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login > > Ohio State students use Microsoft's hosted email system. (Faculty and > staff use a local Exchange instance.) The service for students that we call > Buckeyemail was upgraded by Microsoft earlier this week to keep it in line > with the MS 365 product. > > We found that, once you had logged in once and your browser recognized > your organizational email address, subsequent logins with the same browser > gave you a login interface that was not (easily) accessible to screen > reader users. The organizational login button is not clickable using a > screen reader, unless you put the screen reader into pass-through mode -- > something that we felt our students would be unlikely to discover on their > own. > > We have put a notification up on our Buckeyemail/email selection page, > here: > > https://email.osu.edu/ > > Right now users are directed to contact our help line, but in the next day > or so we will be adding a link to a knowledge base article that explains > how to work around the issue. We are also in contact with MS through our > campus rep. > > If your campus uses 365 for student or other email, your screen reader > users may be affected. > > Note that keyboard only users are not affected. Note also that we could > not get VoiceOver on Mac to work with the login interface at all. > > The problem is only apparent after you have logged in once and your > browser sets the cookie to remember your username for subsequent logins. > > Best, > > ken > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhayman at u.washington.edu Thu Dec 19 11:22:14 2013 From: dhayman at u.washington.edu (Doug Hayman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login In-Reply-To: References: <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C459362816078511@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: It might be worth pinging Microsoft through this relatively new system: http://support.microsoft.com/gp/contact-microsoft-accessibility Doug Hayman Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit On Thu, 19 Dec 2013, Ken Petri wrote: > Julie, > > Interestingly, MS Narrator + IE (Win 8) had no problem with the login. Go > figure. Mac VoiceOver users appear to be totally out of luck -- I'd be > interested to hear of others have had experience with Mac + VoiceOver, > especially. > > We were able to use JAWS and NVDA in pass-through mode. I'll have to check > on versions and browser combinations. But that is our current work-around: > JAWS-KEY + z or NVDA-KEY + space bar and then tab to the "organizational > login" announcement and press Enter to have focus put into the password > field. > > If that one doesn't pan out in further testing, the alternative is to clear > the browser cookies and cache and reload, which returns you to the "first > timer" login screen. I'm hoping to avoid that "solution," as it's a serious > hassle. > > It's a bad situation and one that Microsoft really should fix immediately. > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:27 PM, McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) < > jamzk7@mail.missouri.edu> wrote: > >> Thank you for this. It fits perfectly with what we found as well. Even >> in pass through mode with Jaws 14, I could not get the form field to show >> up. >> >> We also found that the mouse would not even access the forms when Jaws was >> on. I would love to view any work-arounds that you have devised. >> ________________________________________ >> From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [ >> athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Ken Petri [ >> petri.1@osu.edu] >> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:14 AM >> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; CIC IT Accessibility >> Usability Group >> Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login >> >> Ohio State students use Microsoft's hosted email system. (Faculty and >> staff use a local Exchange instance.) The service for students that we call >> Buckeyemail was upgraded by Microsoft earlier this week to keep it in line >> with the MS 365 product. >> >> We found that, once you had logged in once and your browser recognized >> your organizational email address, subsequent logins with the same browser >> gave you a login interface that was not (easily) accessible to screen >> reader users. The organizational login button is not clickable using a >> screen reader, unless you put the screen reader into pass-through mode -- >> something that we felt our students would be unlikely to discover on their >> own. >> >> We have put a notification up on our Buckeyemail/email selection page, >> here: >> >> https://email.osu.edu/ >> >> Right now users are directed to contact our help line, but in the next day >> or so we will be adding a link to a knowledge base article that explains >> how to work around the issue. We are also in contact with MS through our >> campus rep. >> >> If your campus uses 365 for student or other email, your screen reader >> users may be affected. >> >> Note that keyboard only users are not affected. Note also that we could >> not get VoiceOver on Mac to work with the login interface at all. >> >> The problem is only apparent after you have logged in once and your >> browser sets the cookie to remember your username for subsequent logins. >> >> Best, >> >> ken >> >> >> >> > From jamzk7 at mail.missouri.edu Thu Dec 19 11:51:33 2013 From: jamzk7 at mail.missouri.edu (McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student)) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login In-Reply-To: References: <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C459362816078511@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com>, Message-ID: <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C4593628160785DC@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com> ________________________________________ From: kennpetri@gmail.com [kennpetri@gmail.com] on behalf of Ken Petri [petri.1@osu.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:16 PM To: McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Julie, Interestingly, MS Narrator + IE (Win 8) had no problem with the login. Go figure. Mac VoiceOver users appear to be totally out of luck -- I'd be interested to hear of others have had experience with Mac + VoiceOver, especially. We were able to use JAWS and NVDA in pass-through mode. I'll have to check on versions and browser combinations. But that is our current work-around: JAWS-KEY + z or NVDA-KEY + space bar and then tab to the "organizational login" announcement and press Enter to have focus put into the password field. If that one doesn't pan out in further testing, the alternative is to clear the browser cookies and cache and reload, which returns you to the "first timer" login screen. I'm hoping to avoid that "solution," as it's a serious hassle. It's a bad situation and one that Microsoft really should fix immediately. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:27 PM, McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) > wrote: Thank you for this. It fits perfectly with what we found as well. Even in pass through mode with Jaws 14, I could not get the form field to show up. We also found that the mouse would not even access the forms when Jaws was on. I would love to view any work-arounds that you have devised. ________________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Ken Petri [petri.1@osu.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:14 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; CIC IT Accessibility Usability Group Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Ohio State students use Microsoft's hosted email system. (Faculty and staff use a local Exchange instance.) The service for students that we call Buckeyemail was upgraded by Microsoft earlier this week to keep it in line with the MS 365 product. We found that, once you had logged in once and your browser recognized your organizational email address, subsequent logins with the same browser gave you a login interface that was not (easily) accessible to screen reader users. The organizational login button is not clickable using a screen reader, unless you put the screen reader into pass-through mode -- something that we felt our students would be unlikely to discover on their own. We have put a notification up on our Buckeyemail/email selection page, here: https://email.osu.edu/ Right now users are directed to contact our help line, but in the next day or so we will be adding a link to a knowledge base article that explains how to work around the issue. We are also in contact with MS through our campus rep. If your campus uses 365 for student or other email, your screen reader users may be affected. Note that keyboard only users are not affected. Note also that we could not get VoiceOver on Mac to work with the login interface at all. The problem is only apparent after you have logged in once and your browser sets the cookie to remember your username for subsequent logins. Best, ken From ron at ahead.org Thu Dec 19 12:35:42 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login In-Reply-To: <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C4593628160785DC@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com> References: <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C459362816078511@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com>, <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C4593628160785DC@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <06ab01cefcf9$e3725420$aa56fc60$@ahead.org> Hi all, Having been forced to work with the Office 365 system for much longer than I would have liked to what I found was that you need to flush the cache on your browser almost every time you attempted to connect to it. I was not using a screen reader but was moving from device to device as my life moved from one role to another. Given this does not make sense, but the most problematic device I had was my IPAD, which Ken has already indicated as problematic since VO provides no support, which is typical of MS products. My current conclusions, and those I am providing to my clients, is that they do not require this of their users who use AT. While it may not give you the ability to access MS applications there are fully accessible alternatives available that will. Not a great answer but it seems to be the only one that is currently viable. From an accessibility perspective the Office 365 interface is marginally accessible in MS browsers, marginally accessible in no MS based browsers. Totally inaccessible in the Mac systems and even more problematic in the Google Chrome system. Given our obligations under the law, how could we ever begin to support this kind of broad scale implementation. If I as a visual person had such issues and a screen reader user cannot use the system it would seem to me to be very problematic. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:52 PM To: petri.1@osu.edu Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login ________________________________________ From: kennpetri@gmail.com [kennpetri@gmail.com] on behalf of Ken Petri [petri.1@osu.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:16 PM To: McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Julie, Interestingly, MS Narrator + IE (Win 8) had no problem with the login. Go figure. Mac VoiceOver users appear to be totally out of luck -- I'd be interested to hear of others have had experience with Mac + VoiceOver, especially. We were able to use JAWS and NVDA in pass-through mode. I'll have to check on versions and browser combinations. But that is our current work-around: JAWS-KEY + z or NVDA-KEY + space bar and then tab to the "organizational login" announcement and press Enter to have focus put into the password field. If that one doesn't pan out in further testing, the alternative is to clear the browser cookies and cache and reload, which returns you to the "first timer" login screen. I'm hoping to avoid that "solution," as it's a serious hassle. It's a bad situation and one that Microsoft really should fix immediately. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:27 PM, McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) > wrote: Thank you for this. It fits perfectly with what we found as well. Even in pass through mode with Jaws 14, I could not get the form field to show up. We also found that the mouse would not even access the forms when Jaws was on. I would love to view any work-arounds that you have devised. ________________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Ken Petri [petri.1@osu.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:14 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; CIC IT Accessibility Usability Group Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Ohio State students use Microsoft's hosted email system. (Faculty and staff use a local Exchange instance.) The service for students that we call Buckeyemail was upgraded by Microsoft earlier this week to keep it in line with the MS 365 product. We found that, once you had logged in once and your browser recognized your organizational email address, subsequent logins with the same browser gave you a login interface that was not (easily) accessible to screen reader users. The organizational login button is not clickable using a screen reader, unless you put the screen reader into pass-through mode -- something that we felt our students would be unlikely to discover on their own. We have put a notification up on our Buckeyemail/email selection page, here: https://email.osu.edu/ Right now users are directed to contact our help line, but in the next day or so we will be adding a link to a knowledge base article that explains how to work around the issue. We are also in contact with MS through our campus rep. If your campus uses 365 for student or other email, your screen reader users may be affected. Note that keyboard only users are not affected. Note also that we could not get VoiceOver on Mac to work with the login interface at all. The problem is only apparent after you have logged in once and your browser sets the cookie to remember your username for subsequent logins. Best, ken _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From bossley.5 at osu.edu Thu Dec 19 12:53:40 2013 From: bossley.5 at osu.edu (Bossley, Peter A. (Pete)) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login In-Reply-To: <06ab01cefcf9$e3725420$aa56fc60$@ahead.org> References: <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C459362816078511@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com>, <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C4593628160785DC@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com> <06ab01cefcf9$e3725420$aa56fc60$@ahead.org> Message-ID: <006B5C8325EEDA44A1A7D3955F5431CD6EE2CD3C@CIO-TNC-D1MBX11.osuad.osu.edu> You can restore the vanilla prompt in IE by accessing the developer tools by pressing F12, clicking or activating the cache menu, and selecting clear browser cache for this domain, clear session cookies, clear cookies for this domain. Unfortunately you have to do this every time. Our MS rep claims he will get back in touch with us. Ken or I will report when/if that happens. I won't hold my breath. -- Peter Bossley OCIO Accessibility Analyst The Ohio State University Office of the Chief Information Officer Enterprise Applications 226 ADC, 2740 Airport Drive, Columbus, OH 43219 (614) 292-8571 Office bossley.5@osu.edu ocio.osu.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:36 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Hi all, Having been forced to work with the Office 365 system for much longer than I would have liked to what I found was that you need to flush the cache on your browser almost every time you attempted to connect to it. I was not using a screen reader but was moving from device to device as my life moved from one role to another. Given this does not make sense, but the most problematic device I had was my IPAD, which Ken has already indicated as problematic since VO provides no support, which is typical of MS products. My current conclusions, and those I am providing to my clients, is that they do not require this of their users who use AT. While it may not give you the ability to access MS applications there are fully accessible alternatives available that will. Not a great answer but it seems to be the only one that is currently viable. From an accessibility perspective the Office 365 interface is marginally accessible in MS browsers, marginally accessible in no MS based browsers. Totally inaccessible in the Mac systems and even more problematic in the Google Chrome system. Given our obligations under the law, how could we ever begin to support this kind of broad scale implementation. If I as a visual person had such issues and a screen reader user cannot use the system it would seem to me to be very problematic. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:52 PM To: petri.1@osu.edu Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login ________________________________________ From: kennpetri@gmail.com [kennpetri@gmail.com] on behalf of Ken Petri [petri.1@osu.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:16 PM To: McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Julie, Interestingly, MS Narrator + IE (Win 8) had no problem with the login. Go figure. Mac VoiceOver users appear to be totally out of luck -- I'd be interested to hear of others have had experience with Mac + VoiceOver, especially. We were able to use JAWS and NVDA in pass-through mode. I'll have to check on versions and browser combinations. But that is our current work-around: JAWS-KEY + z or NVDA-KEY + space bar and then tab to the "organizational login" announcement and press Enter to have focus put into the password field. If that one doesn't pan out in further testing, the alternative is to clear the browser cookies and cache and reload, which returns you to the "first timer" login screen. I'm hoping to avoid that "solution," as it's a serious hassle. It's a bad situation and one that Microsoft really should fix immediately. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:27 PM, McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) > wrote: Thank you for this. It fits perfectly with what we found as well. Even in pass through mode with Jaws 14, I could not get the form field to show up. We also found that the mouse would not even access the forms when Jaws was on. I would love to view any work-arounds that you have devised. ________________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Ken Petri [petri.1@osu.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:14 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; CIC IT Accessibility Usability Group Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Ohio State students use Microsoft's hosted email system. (Faculty and staff use a local Exchange instance.) The service for students that we call Buckeyemail was upgraded by Microsoft earlier this week to keep it in line with the MS 365 product. We found that, once you had logged in once and your browser recognized your organizational email address, subsequent logins with the same browser gave you a login interface that was not (easily) accessible to screen reader users. The organizational login button is not clickable using a screen reader, unless you put the screen reader into pass-through mode -- something that we felt our students would be unlikely to discover on their own. We have put a notification up on our Buckeyemail/email selection page, here: https://email.osu.edu/ Right now users are directed to contact our help line, but in the next day or so we will be adding a link to a knowledge base article that explains how to work around the issue. We are also in contact with MS through our campus rep. If your campus uses 365 for student or other email, your screen reader users may be affected. Note that keyboard only users are not affected. Note also that we could not get VoiceOver on Mac to work with the login interface at all. The problem is only apparent after you have logged in once and your browser sets the cookie to remember your username for subsequent logins. Best, ken _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From ron at ahead.org Thu Dec 19 13:47:35 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:28 2018 Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login In-Reply-To: <006B5C8325EEDA44A1A7D3955F5431CD6EE2CD3C@CIO-TNC-D1MBX11.osuad.osu.edu> References: <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C459362816078511@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com>, <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C4593628160785DC@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com> <06ab01cefcf9$e3725420$aa56fc60$@ahead.org> <006B5C8325EEDA44A1A7D3955F5431CD6EE2CD3C@CIO-TNC-D1MBX11.osuad.osu.edu> Message-ID: <06eb01cefd03$ee491820$cadb4860$@ahead.org> Thank this reflects my experience as well. My response has more to do with our legal responsibility for equal and equivalent access than anything else. To require this level of additional work is not equivalent in my mind, and given the very basic AT skills students have with their AT is also not acceptable under the applicable law as I understand it. The non VoiceOver support is particularly problematic. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bossley, Peter A. (Pete) Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:54 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login You can restore the vanilla prompt in IE by accessing the developer tools by pressing F12, clicking or activating the cache menu, and selecting clear browser cache for this domain, clear session cookies, clear cookies for this domain. Unfortunately you have to do this every time. Our MS rep claims he will get back in touch with us. Ken or I will report when/if that happens. I won't hold my breath. -- Peter Bossley OCIO Accessibility Analyst The Ohio State University Office of the Chief Information Officer Enterprise Applications 226 ADC, 2740 Airport Drive, Columbus, OH 43219 (614) 292-8571 Office bossley.5@osu.edu ocio.osu.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:36 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Hi all, Having been forced to work with the Office 365 system for much longer than I would have liked to what I found was that you need to flush the cache on your browser almost every time you attempted to connect to it. I was not using a screen reader but was moving from device to device as my life moved from one role to another. Given this does not make sense, but the most problematic device I had was my IPAD, which Ken has already indicated as problematic since VO provides no support, which is typical of MS products. My current conclusions, and those I am providing to my clients, is that they do not require this of their users who use AT. While it may not give you the ability to access MS applications there are fully accessible alternatives available that will. Not a great answer but it seems to be the only one that is currently viable. From an accessibility perspective the Office 365 interface is marginally accessible in MS browsers, marginally accessible in no MS based browsers. Totally inaccessible in the Mac systems and even more problematic in the Google Chrome system. Given our obligations under the law, how could we ever begin to support this kind of broad scale implementation. If I as a visual person had such issues and a screen reader user cannot use the system it would seem to me to be very problematic. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:52 PM To: petri.1@osu.edu Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login ________________________________________ From: kennpetri@gmail.com [kennpetri@gmail.com] on behalf of Ken Petri [petri.1@osu.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:16 PM To: McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Julie, Interestingly, MS Narrator + IE (Win 8) had no problem with the login. Go figure. Mac VoiceOver users appear to be totally out of luck -- I'd be interested to hear of others have had experience with Mac + VoiceOver, especially. We were able to use JAWS and NVDA in pass-through mode. I'll have to check on versions and browser combinations. But that is our current work-around: JAWS-KEY + z or NVDA-KEY + space bar and then tab to the "organizational login" announcement and press Enter to have focus put into the password field. If that one doesn't pan out in further testing, the alternative is to clear the browser cookies and cache and reload, which returns you to the "first timer" login screen. I'm hoping to avoid that "solution," as it's a serious hassle. It's a bad situation and one that Microsoft really should fix immediately. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:27 PM, McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) > wrote: Thank you for this. It fits perfectly with what we found as well. Even in pass through mode with Jaws 14, I could not get the form field to show up. We also found that the mouse would not even access the forms when Jaws was on. I would love to view any work-arounds that you have devised. ________________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Ken Petri [petri.1@osu.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:14 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; CIC IT Accessibility Usability Group Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Ohio State students use Microsoft's hosted email system. (Faculty and staff use a local Exchange instance.) The service for students that we call Buckeyemail was upgraded by Microsoft earlier this week to keep it in line with the MS 365 product. We found that, once you had logged in once and your browser recognized your organizational email address, subsequent logins with the same browser gave you a login interface that was not (easily) accessible to screen reader users. The organizational login button is not clickable using a screen reader, unless you put the screen reader into pass-through mode -- something that we felt our students would be unlikely to discover on their own. We have put a notification up on our Buckeyemail/email selection page, here: https://email.osu.edu/ Right now users are directed to contact our help line, but in the next day or so we will be adding a link to a knowledge base article that explains how to work around the issue. We are also in contact with MS through our campus rep. If your campus uses 365 for student or other email, your screen reader users may be affected. Note that keyboard only users are not affected. Note also that we could not get VoiceOver on Mac to work with the login interface at all. The problem is only apparent after you have logged in once and your browser sets the cookie to remember your username for subsequent logins. Best, ken _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From lissner.2 at osu.edu Thu Dec 19 14:03:23 2013 From: lissner.2 at osu.edu (Lissner, L S. (Scott )) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:28 2018 Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login In-Reply-To: <06eb01cefd03$ee491820$cadb4860$@ahead.org> Message-ID: I agree with Ron, the fixes help as a stop gap but they will not meet the substantially equivalent ease of use criteria that DOJ and Education are using in the long term; we need a real fix from Microsoft with all possible speed. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Stewart [mailto:ron@ahead.org] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 04:47 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Thank this reflects my experience as well. My response has more to do with our legal responsibility for equal and equivalent access than anything else. To require this level of additional work is not equivalent in my mind, and given the very basic AT skills students have with their AT is also not acceptable under the applicable law as I understand it. The non VoiceOver support is particularly problematic. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bossley, Peter A. (Pete) Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:54 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login You can restore the vanilla prompt in IE by accessing the developer tools by pressing F12, clicking or activating the cache menu, and selecting clear browser cache for this domain, clear session cookies, clear cookies for this domain. Unfortunately you have to do this every time. Our MS rep claims he will get back in touch with us. Ken or I will report when/if that happens. I won't hold my breath. -- Peter Bossley OCIO Accessibility Analyst The Ohio State University Office of the Chief Information Officer Enterprise Applications 226 ADC, 2740 Airport Drive, Columbus, OH 43219 (614) 292-8571 Office bossley.5@osu.edu ocio.osu.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:36 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Hi all, Having been forced to work with the Office 365 system for much longer than I would have liked to what I found was that you need to flush the cache on your browser almost every time you attempted to connect to it. I was not using a screen reader but was moving from device to device as my life moved from one role to another. Given this does not make sense, but the most problematic device I had was my IPAD, which Ken has already indicated as problematic since VO provides no support, which is typical of MS products. My current conclusions, and those I am providing to my clients, is that they do not require this of their users who use AT. While it may not give you the ability to access MS applications there are fully accessible alternatives available that will. Not a great answer but it seems to be the only one that is currently viable. From an accessibility perspective the Office 365 interface is marginally accessible in MS browsers, marginally accessible in no MS based browsers. Totally inaccessible in the Mac systems and even more problematic in the Google Chrome system. Given our obligations under the law, how could we ever begin to support this kind of broad scale implementation. If I as a visual person had such issues and a screen reader user cannot use the system it would seem to me to be very problematic. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:52 PM To: petri.1@osu.edu Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login ________________________________________ From: kennpetri@gmail.com [kennpetri@gmail.com] on behalf of Ken Petri [petri.1@osu.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:16 PM To: McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Julie, Interestingly, MS Narrator + IE (Win 8) had no problem with the login. Go figure. Mac VoiceOver users appear to be totally out of luck -- I'd be interested to hear of others have had experience with Mac + VoiceOver, especially. We were able to use JAWS and NVDA in pass-through mode. I'll have to check on versions and browser combinations. But that is our current work-around: JAWS-KEY + z or NVDA-KEY + space bar and then tab to the "organizational login" announcement and press Enter to have focus put into the password field. If that one doesn't pan out in further testing, the alternative is to clear the browser cookies and cache and reload, which returns you to the "first timer" login screen. I'm hoping to avoid that "solution," as it's a serious hassle. It's a bad situation and one that Microsoft really should fix immediately. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:27 PM, McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) > wrote: Thank you for this. It fits perfectly with what we found as well. Even in pass through mode with Jaws 14, I could not get the form field to show up. We also found that the mouse would not even access the forms when Jaws was on. I would love to view any work-arounds that you have devised. ________________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Ken Petri [petri.1@osu.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:14 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; CIC IT Accessibility Usability Group Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Ohio State students use Microsoft's hosted email system. (Faculty and staff use a local Exchange instance.) The service for students that we call Buckeyemail was upgraded by Microsoft earlier this week to keep it in line with the MS 365 product. We found that, once you had logged in once and your browser recognized your organizational email address, subsequent logins with the same browser gave you a login interface that was not (easily) accessible to screen reader users. The organizational login button is not clickable using a screen reader, unless you put the screen reader into pass-through mode -- something that we felt our students would be unlikely to discover on their own. We have put a notification up on our Buckeyemail/email selection page, here: https://email.osu.edu/ Right now users are directed to contact our help line, but in the next day or so we will be adding a link to a knowledge base article that explains how to work around the issue. We are also in contact with MS through our campus rep. If your campus uses 365 for student or other email, your screen reader users may be affected. Note that keyboard only users are not affected. Note also that we could not get VoiceOver on Mac to work with the login interface at all. The problem is only apparent after you have logged in once and your browser sets the cookie to remember your username for subsequent logins. Best, ken _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From bossley.5 at osu.edu Thu Dec 19 14:06:21 2013 From: bossley.5 at osu.edu (Bossley, Peter A. (Pete)) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:28 2018 Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login In-Reply-To: <06eb01cefd03$ee491820$cadb4860$@ahead.org> References: <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C459362816078511@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com>, <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C4593628160785DC@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com> <06ab01cefcf9$e3725420$aa56fc60$@ahead.org> <006B5C8325EEDA44A1A7D3955F5431CD6EE2CD3C@CIO-TNC-D1MBX11.osuad.osu.edu>, <06eb01cefd03$ee491820$cadb4860$@ahead.org> Message-ID: <59832F73-B1D3-4238-95BC-20B68B173673@osu.edu> You'll get no argument from me. I'm only providing the workaround in hopes that it may help temporarily while we were to get it fixed. Users on iOS using Safari VoiceOver are actually able to login just fine, the mobile site that is delivered to mobile safari doesn't seem to exhibit any of these behaviors. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:57 PM, "Ron Stewart" wrote: > > Thank this reflects my experience as well. My response has more to do with > our legal responsibility for equal and equivalent access than anything else. > To require this level of additional work is not equivalent in my mind, and > given the very basic AT skills students have with their AT is also not > acceptable under the applicable law as I understand it. The non VoiceOver > support is particularly problematic. > > Ron Stewart > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bossley, > Peter A. (Pete) > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:54 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login > > You can restore the vanilla prompt in IE by accessing the developer tools by > pressing F12, clicking or activating the cache menu, and selecting clear > browser cache for this domain, clear session cookies, clear cookies for this > domain. > Unfortunately you have to do this every time. > Our MS rep claims he will get back in touch with us. Ken or I will report > when/if that happens. I won't hold my breath. > > -- > Peter Bossley > OCIO Accessibility Analyst > The Ohio State University > Office of the Chief Information Officer Enterprise Applications > 226 ADC, 2740 Airport Drive, Columbus, OH 43219 > (614) 292-8571 Office > bossley.5@osu.edu ocio.osu.edu > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron > Stewart > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:36 PM > To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login > > Hi all, > > Having been forced to work with the Office 365 system for much longer than I > would have liked to what I found was that you need to flush the cache on > your browser almost every time you attempted to connect to it. I was not > using a screen reader but was moving from device to device as my life moved > from one role to another. Given this does not make sense, but the most > problematic device I had was my IPAD, which Ken has already indicated as > problematic since VO provides no support, which is typical of MS products. > > My current conclusions, and those I am providing to my clients, is that they > do not require this of their users who use AT. While it may not give you > the ability to access MS applications there are fully accessible > alternatives available that will. Not a great answer but it seems to be the > only one that is currently viable. From an accessibility perspective the > Office 365 interface is marginally accessible in MS browsers, marginally > accessible in no MS based browsers. Totally inaccessible in the Mac systems > and even more problematic in the Google Chrome system. > > Given our obligations under the law, how could we ever begin to support this > kind of broad scale implementation. If I as a visual person had such issues > and a screen reader user cannot use the system it would seem to me to be > very problematic. > > Ron Stewart > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:52 PM > To: petri.1@osu.edu > Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login > > > ________________________________________ > From: kennpetri@gmail.com [kennpetri@gmail.com] on behalf of Ken Petri > [petri.1@osu.edu] > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:16 PM > To: McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) > Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login > > Julie, > > Interestingly, MS Narrator + IE (Win 8) had no problem with the login. Go > figure. Mac VoiceOver users appear to be totally out of luck -- I'd be > interested to hear of others have had experience with Mac + VoiceOver, > especially. > > We were able to use JAWS and NVDA in pass-through mode. I'll have to check > on versions and browser combinations. But that is our current work-around: > JAWS-KEY + z or NVDA-KEY + space bar and then tab to the "organizational > login" announcement and press Enter to have focus put into the password > field. > > If that one doesn't pan out in further testing, the alternative is to clear > the browser cookies and cache and reload, which returns you to the "first > timer" login screen. I'm hoping to avoid that "solution," as it's a serious > hassle. > > It's a bad situation and one that Microsoft really should fix immediately. > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:27 PM, McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) > > wrote: > Thank you for this. It fits perfectly with what we found as well. Even in > pass through mode with Jaws 14, I could not get the form field to show up. > > We also found that the mouse would not even access the forms when Jaws was > on. I would love to view any work-arounds that you have devised. > ________________________________________ > From: > athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu an2.u.washington.edu> > [athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu man2.u.washington.edu>] on behalf of Ken Petri > [petri.1@osu.edu] > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:14 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; CIC IT Accessibility > Usability Group > Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login > > Ohio State students use Microsoft's hosted email system. (Faculty and staff > use a local Exchange instance.) The service for students that we call > Buckeyemail was upgraded by Microsoft earlier this week to keep it in line > with the MS 365 product. > > We found that, once you had logged in once and your browser recognized your > organizational email address, subsequent logins with the same browser gave > you a login interface that was not (easily) accessible to screen reader > users. The organizational login button is not clickable using a screen > reader, unless you put the screen reader into pass-through mode -- something > that we felt our students would be unlikely to discover on their own. > > We have put a notification up on our Buckeyemail/email selection page, here: > > https://email.osu.edu/ > > Right now users are directed to contact our help line, but in the next day > or so we will be adding a link to a knowledge base article that explains how > to work around the issue. We are also in contact with MS through our campus > rep. > > If your campus uses 365 for student or other email, your screen reader users > may be affected. > > Note that keyboard only users are not affected. Note also that we could not > get VoiceOver on Mac to work with the login interface at all. > > The problem is only apparent after you have logged in once and your browser > sets the cookie to remember your username for subsequent logins. > > Best, > > ken > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu > http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu > http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu > http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu > http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > From ron at ahead.org Thu Dec 19 14:13:58 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:28 2018 Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login In-Reply-To: <59832F73-B1D3-4238-95BC-20B68B173673@osu.edu> References: <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C459362816078511@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com>, <32315E9073F5654B8070E830C4593628160785DC@CO1PRD0113MB682.prod.exchangelabs.com> <06ab01cefcf9$e3725420$aa56fc60$@ahead.org> <006B5C8325EEDA44A1A7D3955F5431CD6EE2CD3C@CIO-TNC-D1MBX11.osuad.osu.edu>, <06eb01cefd03$ee491820$cadb4860$@ahead.org> <59832F73-B1D3-4238-95BC-20B68B173673@osu.edu> Message-ID: <071501cefd07$9dbef920$d93ceb60$@ahead.org> Thanks. Maybe because I am using my iPad, but I find that I regularly have to flush the cache when I move from device to device. Granted I am moving from android, to MS OS, to iOS so that is probably part of the problem. I am so glad the Office365 using client is no longer a client. I have enough complications in my life at this point. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bossley, Peter A. (Pete) Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 4:06 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login You'll get no argument from me. I'm only providing the workaround in hopes that it may help temporarily while we were to get it fixed. Users on iOS using Safari VoiceOver are actually able to login just fine, the mobile site that is delivered to mobile safari doesn't seem to exhibit any of these behaviors. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:57 PM, "Ron Stewart" wrote: > > Thank this reflects my experience as well. My response has more to do > with our legal responsibility for equal and equivalent access than anything else. > To require this level of additional work is not equivalent in my mind, > and given the very basic AT skills students have with their AT is also > not acceptable under the applicable law as I understand it. The non > VoiceOver support is particularly problematic. > > Ron Stewart > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > Bossley, Peter A. (Pete) > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:54 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login > > You can restore the vanilla prompt in IE by accessing the developer > tools by pressing F12, clicking or activating the cache menu, and > selecting clear browser cache for this domain, clear session cookies, > clear cookies for this domain. > Unfortunately you have to do this every time. > Our MS rep claims he will get back in touch with us. Ken or I will > report when/if that happens. I won't hold my breath. > > -- > Peter Bossley > OCIO Accessibility Analyst > The Ohio State University > Office of the Chief Information Officer Enterprise Applications > 226 ADC, 2740 Airport Drive, Columbus, OH 43219 > (614) 292-8571 Office > bossley.5@osu.edu ocio.osu.edu > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron > Stewart > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:36 PM > To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login > > Hi all, > > Having been forced to work with the Office 365 system for much longer > than I would have liked to what I found was that you need to flush the > cache on your browser almost every time you attempted to connect to > it. I was not using a screen reader but was moving from device to > device as my life moved from one role to another. Given this does not > make sense, but the most problematic device I had was my IPAD, which > Ken has already indicated as problematic since VO provides no support, which is typical of MS products. > > My current conclusions, and those I am providing to my clients, is > that they do not require this of their users who use AT. While it may > not give you the ability to access MS applications there are fully > accessible alternatives available that will. Not a great answer but > it seems to be the only one that is currently viable. From an > accessibility perspective the Office 365 interface is marginally > accessible in MS browsers, marginally accessible in no MS based > browsers. Totally inaccessible in the Mac systems and even more problematic in the Google Chrome system. > > Given our obligations under the law, how could we ever begin to > support this kind of broad scale implementation. If I as a visual > person had such issues and a screen reader user cannot use the system > it would seem to me to be very problematic. > > Ron Stewart > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:52 PM > To: petri.1@osu.edu > Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login > > > ________________________________________ > From: kennpetri@gmail.com [kennpetri@gmail.com] on behalf of Ken Petri > [petri.1@osu.edu] > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:16 PM > To: McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) > Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login > > Julie, > > Interestingly, MS Narrator + IE (Win 8) had no problem with the login. > Go figure. Mac VoiceOver users appear to be totally out of luck -- I'd > be interested to hear of others have had experience with Mac + > VoiceOver, especially. > > We were able to use JAWS and NVDA in pass-through mode. I'll have to > check on versions and browser combinations. But that is our current work-around: > JAWS-KEY + z or NVDA-KEY + space bar and then tab to the > "organizational login" announcement and press Enter to have focus put > into the password field. > > If that one doesn't pan out in further testing, the alternative is to > clear the browser cookies and cache and reload, which returns you to > the "first timer" login screen. I'm hoping to avoid that "solution," > as it's a serious hassle. > > It's a bad situation and one that Microsoft really should fix immediately. > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:27 PM, McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) > > wrote: > Thank you for this. It fits perfectly with what we found as well. > Even in pass through mode with Jaws 14, I could not get the form field to show up. > > We also found that the mouse would not even access the forms when Jaws > was on. I would love to view any work-arounds that you have devised. > ________________________________________ > From: > athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu @mailm > an2.u.washington.edu> > [athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu s@mail man2.u.washington.edu>] on behalf of Ken Petri > [petri.1@osu.edu] > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:14 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; CIC IT Accessibility > Usability Group > Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login > > Ohio State students use Microsoft's hosted email system. (Faculty and > staff use a local Exchange instance.) The service for students that we > call Buckeyemail was upgraded by Microsoft earlier this week to keep > it in line with the MS 365 product. > > We found that, once you had logged in once and your browser recognized > your organizational email address, subsequent logins with the same > browser gave you a login interface that was not (easily) accessible to > screen reader users. The organizational login button is not clickable > using a screen reader, unless you put the screen reader into > pass-through mode -- something that we felt our students would be unlikely to discover on their own. > > We have put a notification up on our Buckeyemail/email selection page, here: > > https://email.osu.edu/ > > Right now users are directed to contact our help line, but in the next > day or so we will be adding a link to a knowledge base article that > explains how to work around the issue. We are also in contact with MS > through our campus rep. > > If your campus uses 365 for student or other email, your screen reader > users may be affected. > > Note that keyboard only users are not affected. Note also that we > could not get VoiceOver on Mac to work with the login interface at all. > > The problem is only apparent after you have logged in once and your > browser sets the cookie to remember your username for subsequent logins. > > Best, > > ken > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu > http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu > http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu > http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu > http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From ron at ahead.org Thu Dec 19 14:19:17 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:28 2018 Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login In-Reply-To: References: <06eb01cefd03$ee491820$cadb4860$@ahead.org> Message-ID: <071601cefd08$5b84ab30$128e0190$@ahead.org> Thanks Scott, Unfortunately the Apple OS and Google Chrome issue cannot be fixed by Microsoft as far as I am aware of. They need to be fixed by their owners, which I do not see happening anytime soon. This is when IHE's as customers need to step up to the plate and demand truly usable and accessible products from our vendors. Until that happens my guess we are going to see the continuation of a segregationist IT environment with the customers footing the bill to develop workarounds. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lissner, L S. (Scott ) Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 4:03 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' Subject: Re: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login I agree with Ron, the fixes help as a stop gap but they will not meet the substantially equivalent ease of use criteria that DOJ and Education are using in the long term; we need a real fix from Microsoft with all possible speed. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Stewart [mailto:ron@ahead.org] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 04:47 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Thank this reflects my experience as well. My response has more to do with our legal responsibility for equal and equivalent access than anything else. To require this level of additional work is not equivalent in my mind, and given the very basic AT skills students have with their AT is also not acceptable under the applicable law as I understand it. The non VoiceOver support is particularly problematic. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bossley, Peter A. (Pete) Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:54 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login You can restore the vanilla prompt in IE by accessing the developer tools by pressing F12, clicking or activating the cache menu, and selecting clear browser cache for this domain, clear session cookies, clear cookies for this domain. Unfortunately you have to do this every time. Our MS rep claims he will get back in touch with us. Ken or I will report when/if that happens. I won't hold my breath. -- Peter Bossley OCIO Accessibility Analyst The Ohio State University Office of the Chief Information Officer Enterprise Applications 226 ADC, 2740 Airport Drive, Columbus, OH 43219 (614) 292-8571 Office bossley.5@osu.edu ocio.osu.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:36 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Hi all, Having been forced to work with the Office 365 system for much longer than I would have liked to what I found was that you need to flush the cache on your browser almost every time you attempted to connect to it. I was not using a screen reader but was moving from device to device as my life moved from one role to another. Given this does not make sense, but the most problematic device I had was my IPAD, which Ken has already indicated as problematic since VO provides no support, which is typical of MS products. My current conclusions, and those I am providing to my clients, is that they do not require this of their users who use AT. While it may not give you the ability to access MS applications there are fully accessible alternatives available that will. Not a great answer but it seems to be the only one that is currently viable. From an accessibility perspective the Office 365 interface is marginally accessible in MS browsers, marginally accessible in no MS based browsers. Totally inaccessible in the Mac systems and even more problematic in the Google Chrome system. Given our obligations under the law, how could we ever begin to support this kind of broad scale implementation. If I as a visual person had such issues and a screen reader user cannot use the system it would seem to me to be very problematic. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:52 PM To: petri.1@osu.edu Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login ________________________________________ From: kennpetri@gmail.com [kennpetri@gmail.com] on behalf of Ken Petri [petri.1@osu.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:16 PM To: McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Julie, Interestingly, MS Narrator + IE (Win 8) had no problem with the login. Go figure. Mac VoiceOver users appear to be totally out of luck -- I'd be interested to hear of others have had experience with Mac + VoiceOver, especially. We were able to use JAWS and NVDA in pass-through mode. I'll have to check on versions and browser combinations. But that is our current work-around: JAWS-KEY + z or NVDA-KEY + space bar and then tab to the "organizational login" announcement and press Enter to have focus put into the password field. If that one doesn't pan out in further testing, the alternative is to clear the browser cookies and cache and reload, which returns you to the "first timer" login screen. I'm hoping to avoid that "solution," as it's a serious hassle. It's a bad situation and one that Microsoft really should fix immediately. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:27 PM, McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) > wrote: Thank you for this. It fits perfectly with what we found as well. Even in pass through mode with Jaws 14, I could not get the form field to show up. We also found that the mouse would not even access the forms when Jaws was on. I would love to view any work-arounds that you have devised. ________________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Ken Petri [petri.1@osu.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:14 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; CIC IT Accessibility Usability Group Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Ohio State students use Microsoft's hosted email system. (Faculty and staff use a local Exchange instance.) The service for students that we call Buckeyemail was upgraded by Microsoft earlier this week to keep it in line with the MS 365 product. We found that, once you had logged in once and your browser recognized your organizational email address, subsequent logins with the same browser gave you a login interface that was not (easily) accessible to screen reader users. The organizational login button is not clickable using a screen reader, unless you put the screen reader into pass-through mode -- something that we felt our students would be unlikely to discover on their own. We have put a notification up on our Buckeyemail/email selection page, here: https://email.osu.edu/ Right now users are directed to contact our help line, but in the next day or so we will be adding a link to a knowledge base article that explains how to work around the issue. We are also in contact with MS through our campus rep. If your campus uses 365 for student or other email, your screen reader users may be affected. Note that keyboard only users are not affected. Note also that we could not get VoiceOver on Mac to work with the login interface at all. The problem is only apparent after you have logged in once and your browser sets the cookie to remember your username for subsequent logins. Best, ken _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From ron at altformatsolutions.com Thu Dec 19 14:22:29 2013 From: ron at altformatsolutions.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:28 2018 Subject: [Athen] Office365 accessibility issues Message-ID: <071d01cefd08$ce695ba0$6b3c12e0$@altformatsolutions.com> Good afternoon, given the discussion on several lists I felt it my obligation to inform all about the accessibility issues of the MS (Microsoft) Office365 product. Many of your campuses are deploying it as an alternative to investing in the full MS Office product for your campuses. It also seems to be looked at, by some, as an alternative to the accessibility issues with the Google Apps platform. Unfortunately that does not seem to be the case. Thanks to all who have contributed to substantiating what I had already found to be a very problematic product. Here is a summary of the basic issues at this point. 1. The product login is problematic for almost all currently available Windows based screen readers. It is totally unusable on the Mac OS. 2. Moving across multiple devices is problematic, if not impossible for most users unable to see the screen or use a mouse. 3. The system provides no accessibility on the MAC OS or iOS with VoiceOver. This is typical of all MS products on the Mac platforms. 4. Chrome users will find the system unusable since you are relying on the Chrome based accessibility components to provide your access. All of these issues have been taken to the appropriate vendors and I will attempt to pass on relevant solutions as they come forward. There are solutions for the MS platforms, but they require a level of technical competence that most of our end users do not have and have also shown to be somewhat unreliable. Ron Stewart **************************************************************************** *** Ron Stewart Managing Consultant Altformat Solutions LLC 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 Fax: 765 405-1484 ron@altformatsolutions.com www.altformatsolutions.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Thu Dec 19 14:23:08 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:28 2018 Subject: [Athen] Office365 accessibility issues Message-ID: <072801cefd08$e59adba0$b0d092e0$@ahead.org> Good afternoon, given the discussion on several lists I felt it my obligation to inform all about the accessibility issues of the MS (Microsoft) Office365 product. Many of your campuses are deploying it as an alternative to investing in the full MS Office product for your campuses. It also seems to be looked at, by some, as an alternative to the accessibility issues with the Google Apps platform. Unfortunately that does not seem to be the case. Thanks to all who have contributed to substantiating what I had already found to be a very problematic product. Here is a summary of the basic issues at this point. 1. The product login is problematic for almost all currently available Windows based screen readers. It is totally unusable on the Mac OS. 2. Moving across multiple devices is problematic, if not impossible for most users unable to see the screen or use a mouse. 3. The system provides no accessibility on the MAC OS or iOS with VoiceOver. This is typical of all MS products on the Mac platforms. 4. Chrome users will find the system unusable since you are relying on the Chrome based accessibility components to provide your access. All of these issues have been taken to the appropriate vendors and I will attempt to pass on relevant solutions as they come forward. There are solutions for the MS platforms, but they require a level of technical competence that most of our end users do not have and have also shown to be somewhat unreliable. 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Thanks, Brian Richwine, UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers, IU On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:57 PM, McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) < jamzk7@mail.missouri.edu> wrote: > Good afternoon, > > Have any of you had any experience with Voice Thread, which can be > integrated with Blackboard? The University of Missouri is about to launch > it, and we are wondering about its accessibility. Thanks. > > Julie McGinnity > University of Missouri Adaptive Computing and Technology Center > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu > http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lissner.2 at osu.edu Thu Dec 19 17:08:29 2013 From: lissner.2 at osu.edu (Lissner, L S. (Scott )) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:28 2018 Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login In-Reply-To: <071601cefd08$5b84ab30$128e0190$@ahead.org> Message-ID: Ron I am about as low techs you can get and still post to this list from a phone but I thought the issue started with a change in Microsoft log in page ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Stewart [mailto:ron@ahead.org] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 05:19 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Thanks Scott, Unfortunately the Apple OS and Google Chrome issue cannot be fixed by Microsoft as far as I am aware of. They need to be fixed by their owners, which I do not see happening anytime soon. This is when IHE's as customers need to step up to the plate and demand truly usable and accessible products from our vendors. Until that happens my guess we are going to see the continuation of a segregationist IT environment with the customers footing the bill to develop workarounds. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lissner, L S. (Scott ) Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 4:03 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' Subject: Re: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login I agree with Ron, the fixes help as a stop gap but they will not meet the substantially equivalent ease of use criteria that DOJ and Education are using in the long term; we need a real fix from Microsoft with all possible speed. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Stewart [mailto:ron@ahead.org] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 04:47 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Thank this reflects my experience as well. My response has more to do with our legal responsibility for equal and equivalent access than anything else. To require this level of additional work is not equivalent in my mind, and given the very basic AT skills students have with their AT is also not acceptable under the applicable law as I understand it. The non VoiceOver support is particularly problematic. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bossley, Peter A. (Pete) Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 2:54 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login You can restore the vanilla prompt in IE by accessing the developer tools by pressing F12, clicking or activating the cache menu, and selecting clear browser cache for this domain, clear session cookies, clear cookies for this domain. Unfortunately you have to do this every time. Our MS rep claims he will get back in touch with us. Ken or I will report when/if that happens. I won't hold my breath. -- Peter Bossley OCIO Accessibility Analyst The Ohio State University Office of the Chief Information Officer Enterprise Applications 226 ADC, 2740 Airport Drive, Columbus, OH 43219 (614) 292-8571 Office bossley.5@osu.edu ocio.osu.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:36 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Hi all, Having been forced to work with the Office 365 system for much longer than I would have liked to what I found was that you need to flush the cache on your browser almost every time you attempted to connect to it. I was not using a screen reader but was moving from device to device as my life moved from one role to another. Given this does not make sense, but the most problematic device I had was my IPAD, which Ken has already indicated as problematic since VO provides no support, which is typical of MS products. My current conclusions, and those I am providing to my clients, is that they do not require this of their users who use AT. While it may not give you the ability to access MS applications there are fully accessible alternatives available that will. Not a great answer but it seems to be the only one that is currently viable. From an accessibility perspective the Office 365 interface is marginally accessible in MS browsers, marginally accessible in no MS based browsers. Totally inaccessible in the Mac systems and even more problematic in the Google Chrome system. Given our obligations under the law, how could we ever begin to support this kind of broad scale implementation. If I as a visual person had such issues and a screen reader user cannot use the system it would seem to me to be very problematic. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:52 PM To: petri.1@osu.edu Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login ________________________________________ From: kennpetri@gmail.com [kennpetri@gmail.com] on behalf of Ken Petri [petri.1@osu.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 1:16 PM To: McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Julie, Interestingly, MS Narrator + IE (Win 8) had no problem with the login. Go figure. Mac VoiceOver users appear to be totally out of luck -- I'd be interested to hear of others have had experience with Mac + VoiceOver, especially. We were able to use JAWS and NVDA in pass-through mode. I'll have to check on versions and browser combinations. But that is our current work-around: JAWS-KEY + z or NVDA-KEY + space bar and then tab to the "organizational login" announcement and press Enter to have focus put into the password field. If that one doesn't pan out in further testing, the alternative is to clear the browser cookies and cache and reload, which returns you to the "first timer" login screen. I'm hoping to avoid that "solution," as it's a serious hassle. It's a bad situation and one that Microsoft really should fix immediately. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:27 PM, McGinnity, Julie A. (MU-Student) > wrote: Thank you for this. It fits perfectly with what we found as well. Even in pass through mode with Jaws 14, I could not get the form field to show up. We also found that the mouse would not even access the forms when Jaws was on. I would love to view any work-arounds that you have devised. ________________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Ken Petri [petri.1@osu.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 9:14 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; CIC IT Accessibility Usability Group Subject: [Athen] Login problems with Microsoft 365 login Ohio State students use Microsoft's hosted email system. (Faculty and staff use a local Exchange instance.) The service for students that we call Buckeyemail was upgraded by Microsoft earlier this week to keep it in line with the MS 365 product. We found that, once you had logged in once and your browser recognized your organizational email address, subsequent logins with the same browser gave you a login interface that was not (easily) accessible to screen reader users. The organizational login button is not clickable using a screen reader, unless you put the screen reader into pass-through mode -- something that we felt our students would be unlikely to discover on their own. We have put a notification up on our Buckeyemail/email selection page, here: https://email.osu.edu/ Right now users are directed to contact our help line, but in the next day or so we will be adding a link to a knowledge base article that explains how to work around the issue. We are also in contact with MS through our campus rep. If your campus uses 365 for student or other email, your screen reader users may be affected. Note that keyboard only users are not affected. Note also that we could not get VoiceOver on Mac to work with the login interface at all. The problem is only apparent after you have logged in once and your browser sets the cookie to remember your username for subsequent logins. Best, ken _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From osullivana at missouri.edu Mon Dec 23 11:33:28 2013 From: osullivana at missouri.edu (OSullivan, Abbie R.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:28 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft O365 Message-ID: <85B8BEEA51977F4A9B00DE1B744F93E3DB3B09FC@UM-MBX-N02.um.umsystem.edu> Hello everyone, Happy Holidays! I can't stop thinking about the Microsoft O365 issues and how many of us are now using Microsoft for our student email option. I know that there has been a submission to Microsoft's accessibility email address about this, but I am feeling that there is power in numbers. I would like to know if other Universities, Colleges and other Higher Education entities would like to individually but collectively together address this with Microsoft? Abbie O'Sullivan Manager of Computing Sites, Adaptive Technology University of Missouri Division of IT Customer Service & Support C242 Pershing Columbia, MO 65211 office (573)882-6525 cell (573) 289-1245 osullivana@missouri.edu [cid:image001.png@01C9E2AD.109464F0] Email is not a secure form of communication; confidentiality cannot be guaranteed. 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I agree, collectively we will have much greater influence than individually. :::KimBoo York, MLIS Assistive Technology Lab Coordinator Student Disability Resource Center / Department of Dean of Students Florida State University 108 Student Services Building 874 Traditions Way Tallahassee, FL 32306-4167 850-644-5532 FAX 850-645-1852 kyork@fsu.edu ? ~email is the best way to contact me~ ? # -----Original Message----- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 19:33:28 +0000 From: "OSullivan, Abbie R." Subject: [Athen] Microsoft O365 To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu)" Message-ID: <85B8BEEA51977F4A9B00DE1B744F93E3DB3B09FC@UM-MBX-N02.um.umsystem.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello everyone, Happy Holidays! I can't stop thinking about the Microsoft O365 issues and how many of us are now using Microsoft for our student email option. I know that there has been a submission to Microsoft's accessibility email address about this, but I am feeling that there is power in numbers. I would like to know if other Universities, Colleges and other Higher Education entities would like to individually but collectively together address this with Microsoft? Abbie O'Sullivan Manager of Computing Sites, Adaptive Technology University of Missouri Division of IT Customer Service & Support C242 Pershing Columbia, MO 65211 office (573)882-6525 cell (573) 289-1245 osullivana@missouri.edu [cid:image001.png@01C9E2AD.109464F0] Email is not a secure form of communication; confidentiality cannot be guaranteed. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender of the error and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Scott )) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:28 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft O365 In-Reply-To: <85B8BEEA51977F4A9B00DE1B744F93E3DB3B09FC@UM-MBX-N02.um.umsystem.edu> References: <85B8BEEA51977F4A9B00DE1B744F93E3DB3B09FC@UM-MBX-N02.um.umsystem.edu> Message-ID: <1F2D5DFF-A829-4220-AA32-39760A6B5248@osu.edu> I am interested in collective action - did you have something in mind? everyone sending in a complaint the same day to the accessibility address, the general help address, and their campus representative. L. Scott Lissner, Ohio State University ADA Coordinator, Office Of Diversity And Inclusion Associate, John Glenn School of Public Affairs Lecturer, Knowlton School of Architecture, Moritz College of Law & Disability Studies President, Association on Higher Education And Disability Chair, ADA-OHIO Appointed, Ohio Governor's Council For People With Disabilities, State HAVA Committee & Columbus Advisory Council on Disability Issues (614) 292-6207(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu 281 W. Lane Ave, Columbus, OH 43210-1266 On Dec 23, 2013, at 2:37 PM, "OSullivan, Abbie R." > wrote: Hello everyone, Happy Holidays! I can?t stop thinking about the Microsoft O365 issues and how many of us are now using Microsoft for our student email option. I know that there has been a submission to Microsoft?s accessibility email address about this, but I am feeling that there is power in numbers. I would like to know if other Universities, Colleges and other Higher Education entities would like to individually but collectively together address this with Microsoft? Abbie O'Sullivan Manager of Computing Sites, Adaptive Technology University of Missouri Division of IT Customer Service & Support C242 Pershing Columbia, MO 65211 office (573)882-6525 cell (573) 289-1245 osullivana@missouri.edu Email is not a secure form of communication; confidentiality cannot be guaranteed. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender of the error and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A KB article is being drafted to document the JAWS workaround(s) we've found, and I'd be happy to share that with interested parties once it is finished. [The Ohio State University] Peter Bossley OCIO Accessibility Analyst Office of the Chief Information Officer Enterprise Applications 226 ADC, 2740 Airport Drive, Columbus, OH 43219 (614) 292-8571 Office bossley.5@osu.edu ocio.osu.edu ________________________________ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lissner, L S. (Scott ) Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 3:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft O365 I am interested in collective action - did you have something in mind? everyone sending in a complaint the same day to the accessibility address, the general help address, and their campus representative. L. Scott Lissner, Ohio State University ADA Coordinator, Office Of Diversity And Inclusion Associate, John Glenn School of Public Affairs Lecturer, Knowlton School of Architecture, Moritz College of Law & Disability Studies President, Association on Higher Education And Disability Chair, ADA-OHIO Appointed, Ohio Governor's Council For People With Disabilities, State HAVA Committee & Columbus Advisory Council on Disability Issues (614) 292-6207(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu 281 W. Lane Ave, Columbus, OH 43210-1266 On Dec 23, 2013, at 2:37 PM, "OSullivan, Abbie R." > wrote: Hello everyone, Happy Holidays! I can't stop thinking about the Microsoft O365 issues and how many of us are now using Microsoft for our student email option. I know that there has been a submission to Microsoft's accessibility email address about this, but I am feeling that there is power in numbers. I would like to know if other Universities, Colleges and other Higher Education entities would like to individually but collectively together address this with Microsoft? Abbie O'Sullivan Manager of Computing Sites, Adaptive Technology University of Missouri Division of IT Customer Service & Support C242 Pershing Columbia, MO 65211 office (573)882-6525 cell (573) 289-1245 osullivana@missouri.edu Email is not a secure form of communication; confidentiality cannot be guaranteed. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender of the error and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 3605 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From skeegan at stanford.edu Thu Dec 26 15:20:32 2013 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean J Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:28 2018 Subject: [Athen] Microsoft O365 In-Reply-To: <006B5C8325EEDA44A1A7D3955F5431CD6EE3D9FB@CIO-KRC-D1MBX04.osuad.osu.edu> References: <85B8BEEA51977F4A9B00DE1B744F93E3DB3B09FC@UM-MBX-N02.um.umsystem.edu> <1F2D5DFF-A829-4220-AA32-39760A6B5248@osu.edu> <006B5C8325EEDA44A1A7D3955F5431CD6EE3D9FB@CIO-KRC-D1MBX04.osuad.osu.edu> Message-ID: <333334585.2350116.1388100032128.JavaMail.zimbra@stanford.edu> While I believe the onus should be on Microsoft to fix the issues within the Office 365 platform, it may be necessary to find other solutions. At the Accessing Higher Ground conference, I had conversations with Discover Technologies around their Discover 508 for SharePoint solution (http://www.discovertechnologies.com/Pages/products/Discover508.aspx). Basically, their solution provides a more accessible view to the standard SharePoint environment. In the course of the conversation, the representative indicated they had an Office 365 solution that would be available soon. Nothing is on the Discover Technologies website at this time, but they may offer a solution if MS is "less than enthusiastic" with fixing their code. Take care, Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter A. Bossley (Pete)" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 7:22:16 PM Subject: RE: [Athen] Microsoft O365 I?ve poked our campus rep again this evening as he had promised us some follow-up regarding this issue. I too believe some collective action may be in order. Currently we?ve added the following to our email launch page at https://email.osu.edu * Attention Screen Reader Users: Due to a recent BuckeyeMail upgrade, screen reader users may have difficulty signing into BuckeyeMail. For assistance, please contact the IT Service Desk at 688-HELP (4357) or 8help@osu.edu . A KB article is being drafted to document the JAWS workaround(s) we?ve found, and I?d be happy to share that with interested parties once it is finished. Peter Bossley OCIO Accessibility Analyst Office of the Chief Information Officer Enterprise Applications 226 ADC, 2740 Airport Drive, Columbus, OH 43219 (614) 292-8571 Office bossley.5@osu.edu ocio.osu.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lissner, L S. (Scott ) Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 3:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Microsoft O365 I am interested in collective action - did you have something in mind? everyone sending in a complaint the same day to the accessibility address, the general help address, and their campus representative. L. Scott Lissner, Ohio State University ADA Coordinator, Office Of Diversity And Inclusion Associate, John Glenn School of Public Affairs Lecturer, Knowlton School of Architecture, Moritz College of Law & Disability Studies President, Association on Higher Education And Disability Chair, ADA-OHIO Appointed, Ohio Governor's Council For People With Disabilities, State HAVA Committee & Columbus Advisory Council on Disability Issues (614) 292-6207 (v); (614) 688-8605 (tty) (614) 688-3665 (fax); Http://ada.osu.edu 281 W. Lane Ave, Columbus, OH 43210-1266 On Dec 23, 2013, at 2:37 PM, "OSullivan, Abbie R." < osullivana@missouri.edu > wrote: Hello everyone, Happy Holidays! I can?t stop thinking about the Microsoft O365 issues and how many of us are now using Microsoft for our student email option. I know that there has been a submission to Microsoft?s accessibility email address about this, but I am feeling that there is power in numbers. I would like to know if other Universities, Colleges and other Higher Education entities would like to individually but collectively together address this with Microsoft? Abbie O'Sullivan Manager of Computing Sites, Adaptive Technology University of Missouri Division of IT Customer Service & Support C242 Pershing Columbia, MO 65211 office (573)882-6525 cell (573) 289-1245 osullivana@missouri.edu Email is not a secure form of communication; confidentiality cannot be guaranteed. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender of the error and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman2.u.washington.edu http://mailman2.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list