From jeano at uwm.edu Fri Nov 1 10:44:32 2013 From: jeano at uwm.edu (Jean M Salzer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] DocSoft and Liberated Learning Consortium information? In-Reply-To: <116110503.6474353.1383327788129.JavaMail.root@uwm.edu> Message-ID: <999394593.6475992.1383327872952.JavaMail.root@uwm.edu> Hello, Just received information from the DocSoft vendor regarding use of the product. We're in the process of learning what we can from institutions that use the software/equipment already. Please reply directly to me if your institution has used it: How was it used? To caption lectures and voice over powerpoints only? Media too? Did it provide a solution? Did any issues crop up? Where is the service housed? Also, is anyone familiar with the Liberated Learning Consortium? This is apparently a group researching/working on development of a tool that will do the bulk of the work for caption... Thanks, Jean -- Peace. 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URL: From tft at uw.edu Fri Nov 1 12:03:17 2013 From: tft at uw.edu (Terrill Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Business Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <047001ced619$a75bc9a0$f6135ce0$@altformatsolutions.com> <056101ced64a$1decdf70$59c69e50$@ahead.org> Message-ID: I'd like to add one more to Greg's list of Accessibility Interest Groups: Canvas LMS Also, let's revisit this long-standing issue: - Credentialing for our profession Thanks, Terrill --- Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology University of Washington tft@uw.edu On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Greg Kraus wrote: > I can give updates on the following. > > EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group > Moodle Accessibility Interest Group > Google Apps Accessibility Interest Group > > I can give the whole update in about 5 minutes. Some of it might > generate further discussion, but it might be best to take those > conversations outside the business meeting for those who are > interested. > > Greg > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Ron Stewart wrote: >> You got it. >> >> >> >> Ron >> >> >> >> From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu >> [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard >> Kramer >> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:29 AM >> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Business Meeting >> >> >> >> Hi Ron, >> >> >> >> Do you want to add AHG? >> >> I can give a report of the conference and also report on number of new ATHEN >> members. >> >> Also, can you add "UD curriculum project" to the agenda? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Howard >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:14 AM, Ron Stewart >> wrote: >> >> Good morning, this is the last call for agenda items related to the annual >> ATHEN Business Meeting to be held from 6:30 ? 8:00 p.m., Wednesday, Nov. 6 >> in Westminster III. >> >> >> >> Agenda Items >> >> >> >> Treasures Report - Heidi Scher >> >> Membership Report - Ron Stewart for Joe Humbert >> >> Ejournal Update - Teresa Haven >> >> Election Results - Dan Comden >> >> Officers >> >> Business Plan >> >> Old Business >> >> Scholarship Program >> >> New Business >> >> >> >> Ron Stewart >> >> >> >> ******************************************************************************* >> >> Ron Stewart >> >> Managing Consultant >> >> Altformat Solutions LLC >> >> >> >> 8300 West Weller St >> >> Yorktown, IN 47396 >> >> Mobile: 609 213-2190 >> >> Fax: 765 405-1484 >> >> >> >> ron@altformatsolutions.com >> >> www.altformatsolutions.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Howard Kramer >> >> Conference Coordinator >> >> Accessing Higher Ground >> >> 303-492-8672 >> >> cell: 720-351-8668 >> >> >> >> AHEAD Association of Higher Education and Disability >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From Teresa.Haven at asu.edu Fri Nov 1 12:33:28 2013 From: Teresa.Haven at asu.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Business Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <047001ced619$a75bc9a0$f6135ce0$@altformatsolutions.com> <056101ced64a$1decdf70$59c69e50$@ahead.org> Message-ID: <41DBE0E04D07504A86D68558FE7BAB6B0FA02021@exmbt02.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Terry, as a part of the e-journal report could you provide a brief update on the issue you are working on with Sheryl? Thanks! Teresa -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Terrill Thompson Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 12:03 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Business Meeting I'd like to add one more to Greg's list of Accessibility Interest Groups: Canvas LMS Also, let's revisit this long-standing issue: - Credentialing for our profession Thanks, Terrill --- Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology University of Washington tft@uw.edu On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Greg Kraus wrote: > I can give updates on the following. > > EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group Moodle Accessibility > Interest Group Google Apps Accessibility Interest Group > > I can give the whole update in about 5 minutes. Some of it might > generate further discussion, but it might be best to take those > conversations outside the business meeting for those who are > interested. > > Greg > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Ron Stewart wrote: >> You got it. >> >> >> >> Ron >> >> >> >> From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu >> [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of >> Howard Kramer >> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:29 AM >> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN Business Meeting >> >> >> >> Hi Ron, >> >> >> >> Do you want to add AHG? >> >> I can give a report of the conference and also report on number of >> new ATHEN members. >> >> Also, can you add "UD curriculum project" to the agenda? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Howard >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:14 AM, Ron Stewart >> >> wrote: >> >> Good morning, this is the last call for agenda items related to the >> annual ATHEN Business Meeting to be held from 6:30 - 8:00 p.m., >> Wednesday, Nov. 6 in Westminster III. >> >> >> >> Agenda Items >> >> >> >> Treasures Report - Heidi Scher >> >> Membership Report - Ron Stewart for Joe Humbert >> >> Ejournal Update - Teresa Haven >> >> Election Results - Dan Comden >> >> Officers >> >> Business Plan >> >> Old Business >> >> Scholarship Program >> >> New Business >> >> >> >> Ron Stewart >> >> >> >> ********************************************************************* >> ********** >> >> Ron Stewart >> >> Managing Consultant >> >> Altformat Solutions LLC >> >> >> >> 8300 West Weller St >> >> Yorktown, IN 47396 >> >> Mobile: 609 213-2190 >> >> Fax: 765 405-1484 >> >> >> >> ron@altformatsolutions.com >> >> www.altformatsolutions.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Howard Kramer >> >> Conference Coordinator >> >> Accessing Higher Ground >> >> 303-492-8672 >> >> cell: 720-351-8668 >> >> >> >> AHEAD Association of Higher Education and Disability >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From ron at ahead.org Fri Nov 1 19:56:37 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] DocSoft and Liberated Learning Consortium information? In-Reply-To: <999394593.6475992.1383327872952.JavaMail.root@uwm.edu> References: <116110503.6474353.1383327788129.JavaMail.root@uwm.edu> <999394593.6475992.1383327872952.JavaMail.root@uwm.edu> Message-ID: <0a1a01ced777$261d7d70$72587850$@ahead.org> I would suggest getting in touch with Sean Keegan, they have a pretty good implementation of DocSoft on their campus. As to Liberated Learning, all reports are that they have a good idea but it is more Hype than reality. I am not aware of anyone who has tried to use their technology that has been satisfied with the results. Currently there is no way to automate the Voice Recognition process without training the VR file to the person speaking. To properly caption academic content you need to have ~95% accuracy, and that just cannot be done with current VR technologies unless individualized training occurs. Old adage, "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is". There is a good reason that RIT abandoned their research project in this area, it did not work. Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Jean M Salzer Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 12:45 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] DocSoft and Liberated Learning Consortium information? Hello, Just received information from the DocSoft vendor regarding use of the product. We're in the process of learning what we can from institutions that use the software/equipment already. Please reply directly to me if your institution has used it: How was it used? To caption lectures and voice over powerpoints only? Media too? Did it provide a solution? Did any issues crop up? Where is the service housed? Also, is anyone familiar with the Liberated Learning Consortium? This is apparently a group researching/working on development of a tool that will do the bulk of the work for caption... Thanks, Jean -- Peace. Jean Salzer, Sr. Counselor BVI Program/Alternative Text Coordinator Accessibility Resource Center UW-Milwaukee 414-229-5660, Mitchell Hall B16 What we focus on, we empower and enlarge. Good multiplies when focused upon. Negativity multiplies when focused upon. The choice is ours: Which do we want more of? ~Julia Cameron If you have peace of mind, you don't need to have anything else. If you don't have it, it doesn't matter much what else you do have. -Dalai Lama ******************************************** NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This email and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws and the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA). If this email contains any student specific data or information, these laws apply. 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URL: From petri.1 at osu.edu Sat Nov 2 16:20:48 2013 From: petri.1 at osu.edu (Ken Petri) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Free Webinar - Accessibility Updates and Tips for Pearson MyLab In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A60C906@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <04fb01ced0cb$b0be8ee0$123baca0$@ahead.org> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A60C906@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: I didn't sign up, unfortunately. Robert, do you think they would be willing to share the link to the recording generally? Thanks, ken [image: The Ohio State University] Ken Petri, Program Director Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for Disability Services 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax petri.1@osu.edu wac.osu.edu On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Robert Beach wrote: > They said it would be recorded and made available to those who signed up. > > > > > > Robert Lee Beach > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Kansas City Kansas Community College > > 7250 State Avenue > > Kansas City, KS 66112 > > 913-288-7671 > > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > *From:* athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto: > athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of *Ken Petri > *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2013 9:51 AM > > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Free Webinar - Accessibility Updates and Tips for > Pearson MyLab > > > > I was unable to make this. Is there an archive? > > Thanks, > Ken > > On Oct 24, 2013 1:34 PM, "Korey J Singleton" wrote: > > Ron, the demonstrations will actually be handled by the presenters. That > is a definitely a valid concern though, as many people are curious as to > what the experience is like from a user's perspective. Nonetheless, we > will leave some time for Q&A so that people have an opportunity to have > some of their questions answered. More than the live demos though, the > hope is that information is shared about the workarounds that can be > provided, who to work with/contact for the remediation of issues, and what > to expect in months ahead. These were some of the things that we were > curious about internally and expect that others have wanted these questions > answered as well. > > > > Korey Singleton > ATI Manager > Assistive Technology Initiative > Aquia Building RM 238 MSN: 6A11 > Fairfax Campus > 4400 University Drive > Fairfax, VA 22030 > Phone: 703-993-2143 > Fax: 703-993-4743 > http://ati.gmu.edu > > > > > > > > *From: *Ron Stewart > *Reply-To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Date: *Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:14 AM > *To: *'Access Technology Higher Education Network' < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject: *RE: [Athen] Free Webinar - Accessibility Updates and Tips for > Pearson MyLab > > > > Kara will actual users be demonstrating this or is it just a Pearson dog > and pony? > > > > Ron > > > > *From:* athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [ > mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] > *On Behalf Of *Kara Zirkle > *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:52 AM > *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Subject:* [Athen] Free Webinar nd Tips for Pearson MyLab > > > > *@AccessibleMason** Webinars* > > > > *George Mason University?s Assistive Technology Initiative** and Pearson > Higher Education North America are pleased to collaborate and bring you a > webinar entitled:* > > > > *?Accessibility Updates and Tips for Pearson MyLab?* > > > > > > Join us for this 90-minute webinar about some recent accessibility updates > from *Pearson Higher Education North Ameri >* > > > > *Topics will include:* > > > > *?* *Discussion on the accessibility of MyMathLab, MyITLab, and > MyWritingLab, all with live demonstrations. ?* *Broader > information sharing for other MyLabs * > > *?* *Introduction of accessible HTML eBooks across several > disciplines * > > *?* *Explanation of various workarounds that can be provided* > > *?* *What should be coming in 2014* > > > > *When:**Wednesday, October 30, 2:30pm-4:00pm EST* > > > > *Register Here* > > > > (*Please note:* Registration closes at 12:00pm EST on Oct. 30th) > > > > > > *The Presenters* > > > > > > *Elaine Ober, *Associate Director for Accessibility & Compliance > > *Rick Clinton,* Publisher and Accessibility Contact, English, > Mathematics, & Student Success > > *Hei-Jung Kim,* Senior Software Product Manager, XL Platform > > Eric Hakanson, Digital Media Editor, Information Technology > > > > > > *Kara Zirkle* > > *IT Accessibility Coordinator* > > *Assistive Technology Initiative* > > *George Mason University* > > *Aquia Building, RM 238* > > *Mail Stop: 6A11* > > *Fairfax Campus* > > *4400 University Drive* > > *Fairfax, VA 22030* > > *Direct Line P o:p>* > > *Main Office Phone: 703-993-4329 <703-993-4329>* > > *Fax: 703-993-4743 <703-993-4743>* > > *http://webaccessibility.gmu.edu * > > *http://ati.gmu.edu * > > *http://accessibility.gmu.edu * > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norm.coombs at gmail.com Sat Nov 2 20:27:32 2013 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Two EASI Webinars in November on Functional Accessibility Contrasted with Technical Accessability Message-ID: <5275c2c5.63373c0a.6c5d.ffffdeb1@mx.google.com> Two EASI Webinars in November on Functional Accessibility Contrasted with Technical Accessability Having technical standards for designing accessibility is important. Maybe more important is that the Web pages are easy to use! Usability means that the page can be navigated and understood with little efort and that browsing the Web can be useful and enjoyable. NOTE TIMES ARE NOW US STANDARD TIME! 1, EASI Webinar: Practical Web Accessibility Nov 14 11 Pacific noon Mountain 1 Centraland 2 PM Eastern (all standard time!) Presenter: Jared Smith It's easy to get caught up in the technical aspects of web accessibility and overlook practical principles and techniques that often have a bigger impact on the end user experience. This webinar will help everyone take a step back and view accessibility with a new perspective that focuses on the user experience and practicality, while using guidelines, tools, and techniques to help us achieve high levels of accessibility. 2, EASI Free Webinar The Low Hanging Fruit of Web Accessibility Nov 18 11 Pacific noon Mountain 1 Centraland 2 PM Eastern (all standard time!) Presenter: Terrill Thompson Technology accessibility specialist Terrill Thompson will share a few simple steps that anyone can take to improve the accessibility and usability of their websites and electronic documents. you can register online for either or both of these Webinars from: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm Norm Coombs From schwarte at purdue.edu Mon Nov 4 07:27:28 2013 From: schwarte at purdue.edu (Schwarte, David M.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] DocSoft and Liberated Learning Consortium information? In-Reply-To: <0a1a01ced777$261d7d70$72587850$@ahead.org> References: <116110503.6474353.1383327788129.JavaMail.root@uwm.edu> <999394593.6475992.1383327872952.JavaMail.root@uwm.edu> <0a1a01ced777$261d7d70$72587850$@ahead.org> Message-ID: <63138735C2D95546820096F109FED94E303CC38F@WPVEXCMBX06.purdue.lcl> Also, Liberated Learning has lost its long-time sponsor of St. Mary?s in Halifax. They will be run out of The University of Massachusetts. This all happened in the July-August 2013 time frame and I suspect there is not a lot of contact information out there yet. David Schwarte From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 10:57 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] DocSoft and Liberated Learning Consortium information? I would suggest getting in touch with Sean Keegan, they have a pretty good implementation of DocSoft on their campus. As to Liberated Learning, all reports are that they have a good idea but it is more Hype than reality. I am not aware of anyone who has tried to use their technology that has been satisfied with the results. Currently there is no way to automate the Voice Recognition process without training the VR file to the person speaking. To properly caption academic content you need to have ~95% accuracy, and that just cannot be done with current VR technologies unless individualized training occurs. Old adage, "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is". There is a good reason that RIT abandoned their research project in this area, it did not work. Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Jean M Salzer Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 12:45 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] DocSoft and Liberated Learning Consortium information? Hello, Just received information from the DocSoft vendor regarding use of the product. We're in the process of learning what we can from institutions that use the software/equipment already. Please reply directly to me if your institution has used it: How was it used? To caption lectures and voice over powerpoints only? Media too? Did it provide a solution? Did any issues crop up? Where is the service housed? Also, is anyone familiar with the Liberated Learning Consortium? This is apparently a group researching/working on development of a tool that will do the bulk of the work for caption... Thanks, Jean -- Peace. Jean Salzer, Sr. Counselor BVI Program/Alternative Text Coordinator Accessibility Resource Center UW-Milwaukee 414-229-5660, Mitchell Hall B16 What we focus on, we empower and enlarge. Good multiplies when focused upon. Negativity multiplies when focused upon. The choice is ours: Which do we want more of? ~Julia Cameron If you have peace of mind, you don't need to have anything else. If you don't have it, it doesn't matter much what else you do have. -Dalai Lama ******************************************** NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This email and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws and the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA). 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Thanks kathy From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Schwarte, David M. Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 10:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] DocSoft and Liberated Learning Consortium information? Also, Liberated Learning has lost its long-time sponsor of St. Mary?s in Halifax. They will be run out of The University of Massachusetts. This all happened in the July-August 2013 time frame and I suspect there is not a lot of contact information out there yet. David Schwarte From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 10:57 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] DocSoft and Liberated Learning Consortium information? I would suggest getting in touch with Sean Keegan, they have a pretty good implementation of DocSoft on their campus. As to Liberated Learning, all reports are that they have a good idea but it is more Hype than reality. I am not aware of anyone who has tried to use their technology that has been satisfied with the results. Currently there is no way to automate the Voice Recognition process without training the VR file to the person speaking. To properly caption academic content you need to have ~95% accuracy, and that just cannot be done with current VR technologies unless individualized training occurs. Old adage, "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is". There is a good reason that RIT abandoned their research project in this area, it did not work. Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Jean M Salzer Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 12:45 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] DocSoft and Liberated Learning Consortium information? Hello, Just received information from the DocSoft vendor regarding use of the product. We're in the process of learning what we can from institutions that use the software/equipment already. Please reply directly to me if your institution has used it: How was it used? To caption lectures and voice over powerpoints only? Media too? Did it provide a solution? Did any issues crop up? Where is the service housed? Also, is anyone familiar with the Liberated Learning Consortium? This is apparently a group researching/working on development of a tool that will do the bulk of the work for caption... Thanks, Jean -- Peace. Jean Salzer, Sr. Counselor BVI Program/Alternative Text Coordinator Accessibility Resource Center UW-Milwaukee 414-229-5660, Mitchell Hall B16 What we focus on, we empower and enlarge. Good multiplies when focused upon. Negativity multiplies when focused upon. The choice is ours: Which do we want more of? ~Julia Cameron If you have peace of mind, you don't need to have anything else. If you don't have it, it doesn't matter much what else you do have. -Dalai Lama ******************************************** NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This email and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws and the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA). If this email contains any student specific data or information, these laws apply. 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Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology University of Alabama From: Kathleen Cahill > Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Date: Monday, November 4, 2013 9:33 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: RE: [Athen] DocSoft and Liberated Learning Consortium information? Hi David, Which University of Massachusetts? Amherst (flagship campus) or another? Thanks kathy From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Schwarte, David M. Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 10:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] DocSoft and Liberated Learning Consortium information? Also, Liberated Learning has lost its long-time sponsor of St. Mary?s in Halifax. They will be run out of The University of Massachusetts. This all happened in the July-August 2013 time frame and I suspect there is not a lot of contact information out there yet. David Schwarte From:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 10:57 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] DocSoft and Liberated Learning Consortium information? I would suggest getting in touch with Sean Keegan, they have a pretty good implementation of DocSoft on their campus. As to Liberated Learning, all reports are that they have a good idea but it is more Hype than reality. I am not aware of anyone who has tried to use their technology that has been satisfied with the results. Currently there is no way to automate the Voice Recognition process without training the VR file to the person speaking. To properly caption academic content you need to have ~95% accuracy, and that just cannot be done with current VR technologies unless individualized training occurs. Old adage, "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is". There is a good reason that RIT abandoned their research project in this area, it did not work. Ron Stewart From:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Jean M Salzer Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 12:45 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] DocSoft and Liberated Learning Consortium information? Hello, Just received information from the DocSoft vendor regarding use of the product. We're in the process of learning what we can from institutions that use the software/equipment already. Please reply directly to me if your institution has used it: How was it used? To caption lectures and voice over powerpoints only? Media too? Did it provide a solution? Did any issues crop up? Where is the service housed? Also, is anyone familiar with the Liberated Learning Consortium? This is apparently a group researching/working on development of a tool that will do the bulk of the work for caption... Thanks, Jean -- Peace. Jean Salzer, Sr. Counselor BVI Program/Alternative Text Coordinator Accessibility Resource Center UW-Milwaukee 414-229-5660, Mitchell Hall B16 What we focus on, we empower and enlarge. Good multiplies when focused upon. Negativity multiplies when focused upon. The choice is ours: Which do we want more of? ~Julia Cameron If you have peace of mind, you don't need to have anything else. If you don't have it, it doesn't matter much what else you do have. -Dalai Lama ******************************************** NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: This email and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws and the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA). If this email contains any student specific data or information, these laws apply. If you are NOT the intended recepient(s) of this email, please disregard the content, delete the email message and notify the original sender. From Andrea.Engle at utoledo.edu Wed Nov 6 07:15:57 2013 From: Andrea.Engle at utoledo.edu (Engle, Andrea June) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] VPAT's Message-ID: <84A066196BA6E54AB3C51373309B728FE5111FEF@msgdb10.utad.utoledo.edu> I am currently working on getting together a website that our faculty can use with all of the VPAT?s for the publishers websites. As I am going thought this I am finding that most publishers do not have a common place that they post these materials. Does anyone know if a site like this already exists? Thank you, Andrea Engle Academic Accommodation Specialist Office of Academic Access The University of Toledo 2801 W. 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It doesn't contain the VPATs, but instead has links to a number of vendor's accessibility resources. -Paul From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Engle, Andrea June Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:16 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] VPAT's I am currently working on getting together a website that our faculty can use with all of the VPAT's for the publishers websites. As I am going thought this I am finding that most publishers do not have a common place that they post these materials. Does anyone know if a site like this already exists? Thank you, Andrea Engle Academic Accommodation Specialist Office of Academic Access The University of Toledo 2801 W. Bancroft St. MS#342 Toledo, OH 43606-3390 Phone: 419-530-4981 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's the link: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57610854-93/google-subtracts-mathml-from-chrome-and-anger-multiplies/?goback=%2Egde_2122947_member_5803584866956103682#%21 Wink Wink Harner foreigntype@gmail.com From greg_kraus at ncsu.edu Wed Nov 6 18:37:18 2013 From: greg_kraus at ncsu.edu (Greg Kraus) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: IT Accessibility for CIOs and Campus Leaders: Strategies and Solutions In-Reply-To: <1805531314.4@informz.net> References: <1805531314.4@informz.net> Message-ID: Hi All, EDUCAUSE is sponsoring a free online webinar called "IT Accessibility for CIOs and Campus Leaders: Strategies and Solutions". Some of us from ATHEN are presenting at this along with two CIOs. Please pass this information on to anyone who might be interested. Thanks. Greg -- Greg Kraus University IT Accessibility Coordinator NC State University 919.513.4087 gdkraus@ncsu.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: EDUCAUSE Date: Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 12:26 PM Subject: IT Accessibility for CIOs and Campus Leaders: Strategies and Solutions To: greg_kraus@ncsu.edu Having trouble viewing this e-mail? View the online version . 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Is there something in WCAG2.0 that sort of addresses that? Thanks so much in advance for your help addressing my concern. N Dogbo From danc at uw.edu Thu Nov 7 14:29:47 2013 From: danc at uw.edu (Dan Comden) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Logo as a background image? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, Your rule of thumb sounds correct. Generally I think background images of any kind are going to cause problems, for the reason you noted (not read by screenreaders) but also because of almost inevitable contrast problems with the text that's overlaid. Greg Kraus' cool new contrast checker plugin for Chrome can tell you if it's a problem but it's easier just to avoid the issue if possible. See WCAG Failure criteria: http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20130905/F83 and http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/F3.html Important images shouldn't be in the background. -*- Dan On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:53 AM, N Dogbo wrote: > Hi Athenites expert on web accessibility, > I please need your opinion / help here-- > What do you think about company logo as a background image? Is this a > good practice? Is it or should it even be allowed? Even if an alt text > can be assigned to it, a person using a screen reader only sees an out > of context text with no target since background image is not picked up > by screen readers, resulting in a very bad / poor user experience. My > rule of thumb is-- if one feels the need to alt-text an image then > that image should not be a background image, especially company logo. > > What do you all think and or recommend? Is there something in WCAG2.0 > that sort of addresses that? > > Thanks so much in advance for your help addressing my concern. > > N Dogbo > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ndogbo at gmail.com Thu Nov 7 20:01:04 2013 From: ndogbo at gmail.com (N Dogbo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Logo as a background image? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Dan, Thanks so much for this. Just what I needed to know as I prepare to go change things out there! A million thanks! N Dogbo On 11/7/13, Dan Comden wrote: > Hello, > Your rule of thumb sounds correct. > > Generally I think background images of any kind are going to cause > problems, for the reason you noted (not read by screenreaders) but also > because of almost inevitable contrast problems with the text that's > overlaid. Greg Kraus' cool new contrast checker plugin for Chrome can tell > you if it's a problem but it's easier just to avoid the issue if possible. > > See WCAG Failure criteria: > http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20130905/F83 > and > http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/F3.html > > Important images shouldn't be in the background. > > -*- Dan > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:53 AM, N Dogbo wrote: > >> Hi Athenites expert on web accessibility, >> I please need your opinion / help here-- >> What do you think about company logo as a background image? Is this a >> good practice? Is it or should it even be allowed? Even if an alt text >> can be assigned to it, a person using a screen reader only sees an out >> of context text with no target since background image is not picked up >> by screen readers, resulting in a very bad / poor user experience. My >> rule of thumb is-- if one feels the need to alt-text an image then >> that image should not be a background image, especially company logo. >> >> What do you all think and or recommend? Is there something in WCAG2.0 >> that sort of addresses that? >> >> Thanks so much in advance for your help addressing my concern. >> >> N Dogbo >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > > > -- > -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu > Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ > University of Washington UW Information Technology > From tft at uw.edu Fri Nov 8 04:58:45 2013 From: tft at uw.edu (Terrill Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:22 2018 Subject: [Athen] Minutes for ATHEN Annual Meeting 2013 Message-ID: The minutes for the 2013 ATHEN Annual Meeting have been posted to the ATHEN website: http://athenpro.org/node/176 Terrill --- Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology University of Washington tft@uw.edu From sam.joehl at ssbbartgroup.com Fri Nov 8 07:53:36 2013 From: sam.joehl at ssbbartgroup.com (Sam Joehl) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Invitation for ATAG 2.0 Implementation Testing In-Reply-To: References: <527C0122.6030905@w3.org> Message-ID: <29cd2e57b8d2ddab245d7f4ba2fcd5fd@mail.gmail.com> W3C WAI is pleased to announce the publication of Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines (ATAG) 2.0 as a W3C Candidate Recommendation. An updated Working Draft of the supporting Note Implementing ATAG 2.0 is also published. ATAG 2.0: http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG20/ Implementing ATAG 2.0: http://www.w3.org/TR/IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20/ ATAG defines how authoring tools should help developers produce accessible web content that conforms to Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0. ATAG also defines how to make authoring tools accessible so that people with disabilities can use them. Authoring tools include content management systems (CMS), learning management systems (LMS), HTML editors, blogs, wikis, social media, and development environments. ATAG Overview: http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/atag ATAG at a Glance: http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/atag-glance Candidate Recommendation (CR) is a major step in the W3C standards development process; it signals that there is broad consensus in the Working Group and among public reviewers on the technical content of ATAG 2.0. The W3C Process stages are described in: How WAI Develops Accessibility Guidelines through the W3C Process at < http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/w3c-process>. For more information about the CR status of ATAG 2.0, including the "exit criteria" for completing CR and the features at risk, see: "Status of this Document" section of ATAG 2.0 at < http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/CR-ATAG20-20131107/#status> The purpose of the Candidate Recommendation stage is to ensure that ATAG 2.0 can be implemented in the real world and to document that different types of authoring tools meet ATAG success criteria. *WAI encourages a broad range of authoring tools to use ATAG 2.0 at this stage*, and share implementation experience. During this CR stage, we are developing an implementation report listing tools that meet each ATAG success criteria. *Would you like your tool listed in the ATAG 2.0 CR implementation report*? If you might be interested in sharing how your tool implements ATAG, please let us know by *7 December 2013* via e-mail to or Jeanne Spellman . *A unique opportunity to get experience working with ATAG*: We are looking for accessibility specialists and specialists in specific authoring tools to help the ATAG Working Group with testing. If you might be interested in testing ATAG, please contact Jeanne Spellman . While the focus of this CR stage is to collect implementations, comments are still welcome at: About the URIs: The first links above go to the latest version of the documents. The "dated" versions are: * http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/CR-ATAG20-20131107/ * http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20-20131107/ The difference between these links are explained in Referencing and Linking to WAI Guidelines and Technical Documents at: < http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/linking.html> Feel free to circulate this message to other lists; please avoid cross-postings where possible. Please let us know if you have any questions. Thank you in advance for your help implementing ATAG 2.0. Regards, ~Shawn Henry, WAI Outreach Jutta Treviranus, AUWG Chair Jeanne Spellman, AUWG W3C Staff Contact ----- Shawn Lawton Henry W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) e-mail: shawn@w3.org phone: +1.617.395.7664 about: http://www.w3.org/People/Shawn/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ndogbo at gmail.com Fri Nov 8 10:38:23 2013 From: ndogbo at gmail.com (N Dogbo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Color Contrast Analyzer for Text in Images, Gradients, and PDFs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Greg, Is the color contrast analyzer only for Chrome? or can it also work on IE10? Thx, Nicaise On 10/30/13, Greg Kraus wrote: > Hi All, > > I've developed a tool to help analyze text color contrast problems for > text in images, over top of gradients, and in PDF documents. It's > available as a Chrome Extension. Feel free to use it and if you have > any feedback I'd greatly appreciate it. > > Download from the Chrome Store: > https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/color-contrast-analyzer/dagdlcijhfbmgkjokkjicnnfimlebcll > > Blog Post: > http://accessibility.oit.ncsu.edu/blog/2013/10/29/color-contrast-analyzer-for-chrome-text-in-images-gradients-pdfs-and-more/ > > Thanks. > > Greg > > > -- > Greg Kraus > University IT Accessibility Coordinator > NC State University > 919.513.4087 > gdkraus@ncsu.edu > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > From jsuttondc at gmail.com Sat Nov 9 14:52:34 2013 From: jsuttondc at gmail.com (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Design Science News: Apple Pages, Keynote, and Numbers software =?iso-8859-1?q?is_now_free_=96_but_are_they_?= =?iso-8859-1?q?useful_fo_r_math=3F?= Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20131109145144.07bdbe80@gmail.com> Fyi, in case any of you miss this, from Design Science. Design Science News: Apple Pages, Keynote, and Numbers software is now free ? but are they useful for mmath? http://news.dessci.com/2013/11/apple-pages-keynote-and-numbers-software-is-now-free-but-are-they-useful-for-math.html From greg_kraus at ncsu.edu Sun Nov 10 16:15:12 2013 From: greg_kraus at ncsu.edu (Greg Kraus) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Color Contrast Analyzer for Text in Images, Gradients, and PDFs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Right now it only works as a Chrome extension. I'd love to be able to port it to other browsers, especially FireFox, however, I'd need some assistance with it because I don't have the resources to dedicate to it right now. If you know anyone who has experience writing extensions for other browsers (Firefox, Safari, IE, Opera) and would like to help with it I'd be happy to work with them. About 80% of the code is usable in any browser. The code for the Chrome version is at the following. https://github.com/gdkraus/color-contrast-chrome Greg On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:38 PM, N Dogbo wrote: > Hi Greg, > > Is the color contrast analyzer only for Chrome? or can it also work on IE10? > > Thx, > > Nicaise > > > On 10/30/13, Greg Kraus wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I've developed a tool to help analyze text color contrast problems for >> text in images, over top of gradients, and in PDF documents. It's >> available as a Chrome Extension. Feel free to use it and if you have >> any feedback I'd greatly appreciate it. >> >> Download from the Chrome Store: >> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/color-contrast-analyzer/dagdlcijhfbmgkjokkjicnnfimlebcll >> >> Blog Post: >> http://accessibility.oit.ncsu.edu/blog/2013/10/29/color-contrast-analyzer-for-chrome-text-in-images-gradients-pdfs-and-more/ >> >> Thanks. >> >> Greg >> >> >> -- >> Greg Kraus >> University IT Accessibility Coordinator >> NC State University >> 919.513.4087 >> gdkraus@ncsu.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From norm.coombs at gmail.com Mon Nov 11 06:50:42 2013 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] EASI Webinar: Practical Web Accessibility - Nov. 14 Nov 14 Message-ID: <5280eedc.eae9b60a.5c29.74cf@mx.google.com> EASI Webinar: Practical Web Accessibility - Nov. 14 Nov 14 11 Pacific noon Mountain 1 Centraland 2 PM Eastern (all standard time!) Presenter: Jared Smith It's easy to get caught up in the technical aspects of web accessibility and overlook practical principles and techniques that often have a bigger impact on the end user experience. This webinar will help everyone take a step back and view accessibility with a new perspective that focuses on the user experience and practicality, while using guidelines, tools, and techniques to help us achieve high levels of accessibility. Should we focus on the technical features of the Web page or strive to improve the experience of the user? Both are important of course, but improving the user's experience is the utmost priority. From ron at ahead.org Mon Nov 11 13:28:09 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Illinois eText Message-ID: <01a401cedf24$eb42e6d0$c1c8b470$@ahead.org> Good afternoon everyone, hope those of you who were able to join us at AHG had a safe trip home. For me it was the usual positive experience and an opportunity to charge my batteries with my friends and colleagues. I am wanting to get folks feedback on the Illinois eText presentation. I had wanted to attend, but I had another commitment. Ron Stewart ************************************************************************* Ron Stewart MS 8300 West Weller St Yorktown, IN 47396 Mobile: 609 213-2190 ron@ahead.org http://www.ahead.org When you are having a reallly tough day, take a time out and think about what you have contributed to the lives of those that you have worked with. Many times it is just a baby step forward, but even that is progress! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jen.dugger at pdx.edu Tue Nov 12 10:22:00 2013 From: jen.dugger at pdx.edu (Jen Dugger) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Inclusive Technology Coordinator Job Posting Message-ID: Hello! My name is Jen Dugger and I am the Director of the Disability Resource Center at Portland State University in Oregon. We are currently searching for an "Inclusive Technology Coordinator" and we'd love to look at your resume! Here's the link to the posting: https://jobs.hrc.pdx.edu/postings/11195. If you have any questions at all, please let me know! My contact information is below in my signature. Jen -- Director Disability Resource Center Portland State University Phone: (503)725-2035 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: drc@pdx.edu URL: http://www.drc.pdx.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.sorensen at pcc.edu Tue Nov 12 11:13:25 2013 From: karen.sorensen at pcc.edu (Karen Sorensen) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Google Chrome & math accessibility Message-ID: Hi Wink and everyone else! Phyllis Petteys and I were just emailing about this Google pronouncement. So is that correct that screen readers (even ChromeVox) will no longer be able to read math if Google only uses MathJAX? That's what I was surmising, but it's never explicitly covered in the article. Some little piece of me was hoping maybe Google had another way. What happens if someone is using Chrome and the website has MathML? I wonder what ChromeVox will do with it? We've been having a lot of trouble with IE and MathPlayer. Currently we can only make JAWS read MathML with IE 9 (32 bit edition). Now that IE is on version 11, this is getting more and more difficult! Someone mentioned Firefox has a MathPlayer plugin, so that's what we will test next. What are others recommending for a screen reader user to read math with? Oy! It shouldn't be this difficult! Why don't screen readers support the standard MathML? Why do we need plugins at all? Never a dull day in this job! :-) Best, Karen Karen M. 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Draffan WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103 http://access.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karen Sorensen Sent: 12 November 2013 19:32 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] RE: VPAT's Here's another list of product accessibility/VPATs/Testing: http://www.web2access.org.uk/product/ Karen M. Sorensen Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses www.pcc.edu/access Portland Community College 971-722-4720 "The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect." Tim Berners-Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Draffan WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103 http://access.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of E.A.Draffan Sent: 12 November 2013 19:41 To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] RE: VPAT's Thank you Karen for this link to our site and I am being very honest when I say that many of the evaluations carried out are? few years old. We have a new group of MSc students this year and we are hoping we can update the criteria as well as the evaluations in the coming months.?? Please note I am crossing my fingers behind my back!? ? said with luck! Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103 http://access.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karen Sorensen Sent: 12 November 2013 19:32 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] RE: VPAT's Here's another list of product accessibility/VPATs/Testing: http://www.web2access.org.uk/product/ Karen M. Sorensen Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses www.pcc.edu/access Portland Community College 971-722-4720 "The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect.?? Tim Berners-Lee From E.Henley at snhu.edu Tue Nov 12 12:08:48 2013 From: E.Henley at snhu.edu (Henley, Elizabeth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Job Descriptions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, I was wondering if anyone had job descriptions for AT positions that carry faculty status. We're looking for a few different types of options and I thought I had saved some from previous postings about it and can only find one that I printed out. Thanks, Liz Liz Henley Associate Director, Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Disability Services Southern New Hampshire University 2500 North River Rd ? Exeter 59 Manchester, NH 03106 (603) 626-9100, ext. 2118 [cid:B3A1B066-9D4A-4CB7-B775-0B89302FA4E6] Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In addition, does any of your campuses use the Pearson My labs (ie. Myspanishlab, mymathlab, myeconlab, etc..) if so, do you have accessibility issues with them? These are programs that our college uses often and I'm concerned about how inaccessible they seem to be. Any ideas? Thoughts? Terri Scofield College of Western Idaho Advisor, Student Enrichment Student Disability Services 208-562-2495 terriscofield@cwidaho.cc From tft at uw.edu Tue Nov 12 16:13:45 2013 From: tft at uw.edu (Terrill Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Call for papers: 20th Anniversary Issue of ITD-Journal Message-ID: Hi All, At the ATHEN annual meeting we discussed the possibility of having a 20th Anniversary issue of Information Technology and Disabilities (ITD) Journal, and the response among those present was overwhelmingly positive. For those of you who have been in the accessible technology field for a while, please read on and consider submitting an article... The Information Technology and Disabilities (ITD) Journal will soon be celebrating its twentieth year. Technology has evolved in amazing ways since that first issue was published in January 1994, and the evolution of technology has included a parallel evolution in accessibility (both positive and not-so-positive). This 20 year anniversary offers us an opportunity to consider all that has transpired over the last twenty years, and all that still needs to be done. With this in mind, the ITD Journal is seeking articles that explore the theme of change as it applies to information technology accessibility. Many of us who work in the IT accessibility field have been active in this space for a long time, persistently and patiently working to bring about positive change. This is an opportunity for each of us to reflect on what we've experienced, consider the challenges that await, and share perspectives on how we can apply the lessons of yesterday toward meeting the challenges of tomorrow. Submissions don't have to be long, formal, or scholarly. We're just wanting to assemble a collection of different perspectives that mark this point in time and offer ideas, strategies, and vision for everyone to contemplate as we continue moving forward. The deadline for submissions is December 30. We're hoping to pull it all together and publish the anniversary issue (with lots of fanfare) at the CSUN conference in March. Please consider submitting an article! And if you think you might do so, please let me know soon so we'll have a heads-up on what to expect. Thanks! Terrill Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology University of Washington tft@uw.edu From foreigntype at gmail.com Tue Nov 12 18:26:01 2013 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Google Chrome & math accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01be01cee017$b2af0fd0$180d2f70$@gmail.com> Karen, Phyllis and everyone else, First I don?t speak for ?everyone else? and sometimes speaking for myself is even questionable (!), but here is my collection of information: IE 10 & 11 no longer support the Math Player Plugin from Design Science. DS has been in touch with MS about this and apparently MS has no plans on allowing plugs (of any kind) in their browsers. So the IE & Math ML reader with Math Player is no longer viable. Just a few days ago, Google announced it would no longer support math plugins for their Chrome Vox, although it still works to some extent, it is not a really viable option for any long term solution. Others ?Jayme, Sean, Terry, Ron, Greg and others?can pipe in about what DOES (sort of) work, but we are as technology specialists left pretty much dead in the water with options right now. There are some promising options coming along with accessible (audible) EPUB3 documents, but it is all in beta version to my knowledge. I sure would like to see our brains come together with a viable option. Someone who can write HTML5 plugins could possibly work on writing a plugin that would work on an off-name alternate browser ?and brave the crash factor. I am convinced this is not the news you?d hoped for, but perhaps by putting this out on the list with more ears & eyes on the dilemma, we might begin some of our own solutions. OK, troops: consider the gauntlet thrown down!! Wink foreigntype@gmail.com Wink Harner Assistive Technology Specialist Southern Oregon University 541-552-8442 harnerw@sou.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karen Sorensen Sent: ter?a-feira, 12 de novembro de 2013 12:13 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Google Chrome & math accessibility Hi Wink and everyone else! Phyllis Petteys and I were just emailing about this Google pronouncement. So is that correct that screen readers (even ChromeVox) will no longer be able to read math if Google only uses MathJAX? That's what I was surmising, but it's never explicitly covered in the article. Some little piece of me was hoping maybe Google had another way. What happens if someone is using Chrome and the website has MathML? I wonder what ChromeVox will do with it? We've been having a lot of trouble with IE and MathPlayer. Currently we can only make JAWS read MathML with IE 9 (32 bit edition). Now that IE is on version 11, this is getting more and more difficult! Someone mentioned Firefox has a MathPlayer plugin, so that's what we will test next. What are others recommending for a screen reader user to read math with? Oy! It shouldn't be this difficult! Why don't screen readers support the standard MathML? Why do we need plugins at all? Never a dull day in this job! :-) Best, Karen Karen M. Sorensen Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses www.pcc.edu/access Portland Community College 971-722-4720 "The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect.? Tim Berners-Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oswal at u.washington.edu Tue Nov 12 20:34:26 2013 From: oswal at u.washington.edu (Sushil Oswal) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Call for papers: 20th Anniversary Issue of ITD-Journal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <019b01cee029$a2ca9730$e85fc590$@u.washington.edu> Hi Terrill, I'll be interested in writing a lit review article which would cover the research of past 20 years in this field. The way I'll like to do it is that each of the members of this group will nominate three or four articles they believe were most influential in their work in these years and I'll choose all or most nominated articles/book chapters in my review. * I'll welcome the members' nominations irrespective of whether or not such a lit review fits in the plans for this special issue of ITD. Looking forward to receiving your nominations! Sushil Oswal University of Washington (Tacoma) -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Terrill Thompson Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:14 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Call for papers: 20th Anniversary Issue of ITD-Journal Hi All, At the ATHEN annual meeting we discussed the possibility of having a 20th Anniversary issue of Information Technology and Disabilities (ITD) Journal, and the response among those present was overwhelmingly positive. For those of you who have been in the accessible technology field for a while, please read on and consider submitting an article... The Information Technology and Disabilities (ITD) Journal will soon be celebrating its twentieth year. Technology has evolved in amazing ways since that first issue was published in January 1994, and the evolution of technology has included a parallel evolution in accessibility (both positive and not-so-positive). This 20 year anniversary offers us an opportunity to consider all that has transpired over the last twenty years, and all that still needs to be done. With this in mind, the ITD Journal is seeking articles that explore the theme of change as it applies to information technology accessibility. Many of us who work in the IT accessibility field have been active in this space for a long time, persistently and patiently working to bring about positive change. This is an opportunity for each of us to reflect on what we've experienced, consider the challenges that await, and share perspectives on how we can apply the lessons of yesterday toward meeting the challenges of tomorrow. Submissions don't have to be long, formal, or scholarly. We're just wanting to assemble a collection of different perspectives that mark this point in time and offer ideas, strategies, and vision for everyone to contemplate as we continue moving forward. The deadline for submissions is December 30. We're hoping to pull it all together and publish the anniversary issue (with lots of fanfare) at the CSUN conference in March. Please consider submitting an article! And if you think you might do so, please let me know soon so we'll have a heads-up on what to expect. Thanks! Terrill Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology University of Washington tft@uw.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From sherylb at uw.edu Wed Nov 13 06:13:46 2013 From: sherylb at uw.edu (Sheryl Burgstahler) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Call for papers: 20th Anniversary Issue of ITD-Journal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7FE324CA-6D72-4BE9-B357-6C4F8053D766@uw.edu> How do you plan to coord the peer reviews of these articles? Copy editing? ------------------------------------------------------------ Sheryl Burgstahler, Ph.D. Director, UW Accessible Technology & DO-IT, UW-IT Affiliate Professor, Education University of Washington, Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 206-543-0622 FAX 206-221-4171 http://staff.washington.edu/sherylb sherylb@uw.edu On Nov 12, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Terrill Thompson wrote: > Hi All, > > At the ATHEN annual meeting we discussed the possibility of having a > 20th Anniversary issue of Information Technology and Disabilities > (ITD) Journal, and the response among those present was overwhelmingly > positive. > > For those of you who have been in the accessible technology field for > a while, please read on and consider submitting an article... > > The Information Technology and Disabilities (ITD) Journal will soon be > celebrating its twentieth year. Technology has evolved in amazing ways > since that first issue was published in January 1994, and the > evolution of technology has included a parallel evolution in > accessibility (both positive and not-so-positive). > > This 20 year anniversary offers us an opportunity to consider all that > has transpired over the last twenty years, and all that still needs to > be done. With this in mind, the ITD Journal is seeking articles that > explore the theme of change as it applies to information technology > accessibility. Many of us who work in the IT accessibility field have > been active in this space for a long time, persistently and patiently > working to bring about positive change. This is an opportunity for > each of us to reflect on what we've experienced, consider the > challenges that await, and share perspectives on how we can apply the > lessons of yesterday toward meeting the challenges of tomorrow. > > Submissions don't have to be long, formal, or scholarly. We're just > wanting to assemble a collection of different perspectives that mark > this point in time and offer ideas, strategies, and vision for > everyone to contemplate as we continue moving forward. > > The deadline for submissions is December 30. We're hoping to pull it > all together and publish the anniversary issue (with lots of fanfare) > at the CSUN conference in March. > > Please consider submitting an article! And if you think you might do > so, please let me know soon so we'll have a heads-up on what to > expect. > > Thanks! > Terrill > > Terrill Thompson > Technology Accessibility Specialist > DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services > UW Information Technology > University of Washington > tft@uw.edu > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From Susan.Kelmer at Colorado.EDU Wed Nov 13 07:08:44 2013 From: Susan.Kelmer at Colorado.EDU (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Call for papers: 20th Anniversary Issue of ITD-Journal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807AE9753D580@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> I would like to provide an article on the changes in alternate format and its production and provision in the last 20 years. We have come a long way in this area. Is there a target word count you would like to see in these articles? Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 From Susan.Kelmer at Colorado.EDU Wed Nov 13 07:11:43 2013 From: Susan.Kelmer at Colorado.EDU (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807AE9753D583@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> Your only choice is to put in the alternate text if it is needed by the student. No publisher file or OCR'd file is going to magically know how to describe an image and give the information needed. This is the human, manual part of the process. Please note, though, that not ever figure, graphic, or table needs alternate format. Some are just "eye candy" and not needed. I would strongly suggest that you talk directly with the student about what their needs are and what isn't working (and what is). And the majority of the Pearson "My Lab" products are not going to be accessible to a student using Jaws. Pearson says they are working on this but I haven't seen enough progress yet to feel hopeful about it. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 From shahidak at echo.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 13 08:50:32 2013 From: shahidak at echo.rutgers.edu (Shahida Khaliq) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Grad students and alternate formats Message-ID: Good Morning All Could those of you who deal with graduate students and their alternate format requests give me an idea of what your policies and procedures are concerning their readings. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Best Regards Shahida Khaliq Coordinator for Alternate Format Text & Adaptive Tech. Office of Disability Services [cid:image005.png@01CEE067.13C39080]Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey Lucy Stone Hall, Livingston Campus 54 Joyce Kilmer Ave, Suite A145 Piscataway, New Jersey 08854 Phone # (848) 445-6800 Fax # (732) 445-3388 Office Hours Monday- Friday 8:30am-5:00pm Website: https://ods.rutgers.edu Making a Key Difference [cid:image001.jpg@01CD85B7.41799990] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.wmz Type: application/x-ms-wmz Size: 356491 bytes Desc: image001.wmz URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image005.png Type: image/png Size: 11368 bytes Desc: image005.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope this helps, Teresa Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. Supervisor, Alternative Format Services Disability Resource Center Arizona State University From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Shahida Khaliq Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 9:51 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Grad students and alternate formats Good Morning All Could those of you who deal with graduate students and their alternate format requests give me an idea of what your policies and procedures are concerning their readings. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Best Regards Shahida Khaliq Coordinator for Alternate Format Text & Adaptive Tech. Office of Disability Services [cid:image003.png@01CEE057.4E0B40E0]Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey Lucy Stone Hall, Livingston Campus 54 Joyce Kilmer Ave, Suite A145 Piscataway, New Jersey 08854 Phone # (848) 445-6800 Fax # (732) 445-3388 Office Hours Monday- Friday 8:30am-5:00pm Website: https://ods.rutgers.edu Making a Key Difference [cid:image001.jpg@01CD85B7.41799990] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.wmz Type: application/x-ms-wmz Size: 356491 bytes Desc: image002.wmz URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 12005 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Shahida Khaliq Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:51 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Grad students and alternate formats Good Morning All Could those of you who deal with graduate students and their alternate format requests give me an idea of what your policies and procedures are concerning their readings. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Best Regards Shahida Khaliq Coordinator for Alternate Format Text & Adaptive Tech. 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Another consideration may be to engage with the library at your institution to find out their status and relationship with the Hathi Trust Digital Library. Depending on who or what entity controls access to the accessible versions of the files, grad students may find this resource useful in that they may be able to obtain digital versions from a library representative directly. Alternatively, it may be a disability services office that acts as the "proxy" for the Hathi Trust. In any case, for students doing library research, this may be another option to consider procedurally. More about Hathi Trust and accessibility at: http://www.hathitrust.org/accessibility Take care, Sean On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Kathleen Cahill wrote: > Hi Shahida, > > The only difference might be that graduate students have lots of research that might not necessarily be tied to a particular class or textbook. We ask graduate students to produce a list of what?s needed and prioritize items. Then, we do our best to procure reading materials in alternative formats that the student needs. > > Hope this helps, > Kathy > > > Kathleen Cahill > Assistive Technology Specialist > MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center) > 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 > Cambridge MA 02139 > (617) 253-5111 > kcahill@mit.edu > > > > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Shahida Khaliq > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:51 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [Athen] Grad students and alternate formats > > Good Morning All > > Could those of you who deal with graduate students and their alternate format requests give me an idea of what your policies and procedures are concerning their readings. Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > Best Regards > Shahida Khaliq > Coordinator for Alternate Format Text & Adaptive Tech. > > Office of Disability Services > Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey > Lucy Stone Hall, Livingston Campus > 54 Joyce Kilmer Ave, Suite A145 > Piscataway, New Jersey 08854 > Phone # (848) 445-6800 Fax # (732) 445-3388 > Office Hours Monday- Friday 8:30am-5:00pm > Website: https://ods.rutgers.edu > Making a Key Difference > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shahidak at echo.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 13 10:20:34 2013 From: shahidak at echo.rutgers.edu (Shahida Khaliq) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats In-Reply-To: <49C454FC-ED38-4DC3-BB67-5F2C4A03DE38@stanford.edu> References: <4599527AD714FA42B45CEDFE81CA397D19A606F1@OC11expo28.exchange.mit.edu> <49C454FC-ED38-4DC3-BB67-5F2C4A03DE38@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Thank you Sean, and everybody who answered. At the moment our library is not part of the Hathi Trust Digital Library, but is in the process of joining them so what you say is a valid option for the future. We are not denying any books to the student, the waters just become cloudy in terms of the readings not being tied to a particular class or professor (as one of the publishers is asking for this information). The readings are up to the student with guidance from their advisor. As long as the student presents proof that they have purchased the book asked for, we will acquire or create an alternate format. However a book on loan from a library, I can see us doing portions but for the full book a purchase has to be made, beyond what portion of the book being asked for, should we ask for a receipt for proof of purchase? i.e. More than 5 chapters out of 10? From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:59 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats My comments would echo what Teresa and Kathy have said in terms of alternate formats for grad students. One thing I would add, as it relates to procedures, is that we also try to work with the faculty when dealing with reading lists. Reading lists for a grad program may include a list of titles, but sometimes faculty members have a very specific edition they want the student to read even though it is not explicit on the program's reading list. Another consideration may be to engage with the library at your institution to find out their status and relationship with the Hathi Trust Digital Library. Depending on who or what entity controls access to the accessible versions of the files, grad students may find this resource useful in that they may be able to obtain digital versions from a library representative directly. Alternatively, it may be a disability services office that acts as the "proxy" for the Hathi Trust. In any case, for students doing library research, this may be another option to consider procedurally. More about Hathi Trust and accessibility at: http://www.hathitrust.org/accessibility Take care, Sean On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Kathleen Cahill > wrote: Hi Shahida, The only difference might be that graduate students have lots of research that might not necessarily be tied to a particular class or textbook. We ask graduate students to produce a list of what's needed and prioritize items. Then, we do our best to procure reading materials in alternative formats that the student needs. Hope this helps, Kathy Kathleen Cahill Assistive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center) 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Shahida Khaliq Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:51 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Grad students and alternate formats Good Morning All Could those of you who deal with graduate students and their alternate format requests give me an idea of what your policies and procedures are concerning their readings. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Best Regards Shahida Khaliq Coordinator for Alternate Format Text & Adaptive Tech. Office of Disability Services Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey Lucy Stone Hall, Livingston Campus 54 Joyce Kilmer Ave, Suite A145 Piscataway, New Jersey 08854 Phone # (848) 445-6800 Fax # (732) 445-3388 Office Hours Monday- Friday 8:30am-5:00pm Website: https://ods.rutgers.edu Making a Key Difference _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Wed Nov 13 11:36:09 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats In-Reply-To: References: <4599527AD714FA42B45CEDFE81CA397D19A606F1@OC11expo28.exchange.mit.edu> <49C454FC-ED38-4DC3-BB67-5F2C4A03DE38@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <06a401cee0a7$9ad0f9b0$d072ed10$@ahead.org> Just another comment on this topic. Grad thesis and dissertation readings can become a major issue, and one that I regularly use as one of my teachable moments in my talks and trainings. What I recommend is in determining the need to convert this is a relationship be established between the student, the major professor and the service office. It is a similar quandary to the optional and required book dilemma, with the exact same effective solution. Those materials that the student wants converted, and that the major prof concurs, should be at a minimum provided in an "auto-ocr'd" version. Now this requires that the student be proficient in their AT, but that is a life skill as well as an academic skill and I seriously question the survivability of any grad student who does not have the skills to be an effective student. The best example of this is a student and now longtime friend, who was a history of science major. They were studying a time in which none of their source materials were available in a textual format. Thank the gods for JSTOR who had almost everything in image based PDF. We were able to get the materials through JSTOR and Inter-Library loan, run them through auto recognition mode in the OCR application and the student was able to use their AT (Openbook) to review the materials. Those that were determined to be germane to a course at the time or later the dissertation research topic were further edited once the student had explicitly identified what it was they needed and the major prof concurred. I normally use a similar approach to research deep studies. Not sure if this helps but it has really proven to be a win-win over the last couple of decades with a lot of students. Give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach him to fish and feed him for a lifetime! Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Shahida Khaliq Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats Thank you Sean, and everybody who answered. At the moment our library is not part of the Hathi Trust Digital Library, but is in the process of joining them so what you say is a valid option for the future. We are not denying any books to the student, the waters just become cloudy in terms of the readings not being tied to a particular class or professor (as one of the publishers is asking for this information). The readings are up to the student with guidance from their advisor. As long as the student presents proof that they have purchased the book asked for, we will acquire or create an alternate format. However a book on loan from a library, I can see us doing portions but for the full book a purchase has to be made, beyond what portion of the book being asked for, should we ask for a receipt for proof of purchase? i.e. More than 5 chapters out of 10? From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:59 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats My comments would echo what Teresa and Kathy have said in terms of alternate formats for grad students. One thing I would add, as it relates to procedures, is that we also try to work with the faculty when dealing with reading lists. Reading lists for a grad program may include a list of titles, but sometimes faculty members have a very specific edition they want the student to read even though it is not explicit on the program's reading list. Another consideration may be to engage with the library at your institution to find out their status and relationship with the Hathi Trust Digital Library. Depending on who or what entity controls access to the accessible versions of the files, grad students may find this resource useful in that they may be able to obtain digital versions from a library representative directly. Alternatively, it may be a disability services office that acts as the "proxy" for the Hathi Trust. In any case, for students doing library research, this may be another option to consider procedurally. More about Hathi Trust and accessibility at: http://www.hathitrust.org/accessibility Take care, Sean On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Kathleen Cahill wrote: Hi Shahida, The only difference might be that graduate students have lots of research that might not necessarily be tied to a particular class or textbook. We ask graduate students to produce a list of what's needed and prioritize items. Then, we do our best to procure reading materials in alternative formats that the student needs. Hope this helps, Kathy Kathleen Cahill Assistive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center) 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen- list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Shahida Khaliq Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:51 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network ( athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Grad students and alternate formats Good Morning All Could those of you who deal with graduate students and their alternate format requests give me an idea of what your policies and procedures are concerning their readings. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Best Regards Shahida Khaliq Coordinator for Alternate Format Text & Adaptive Tech. Office of Disability Services Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey Lucy Stone Hall, Livingston Campus 54 Joyce Kilmer Ave, Suite A145 Piscataway, New Jersey 08854 Phone # (848) 445-6800 Fax # (732) 445-3388 Office Hours Monday- Friday 8:30am-5:00pm Website: https://ods.rutgers.edu Making a Key Difference _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tft at uw.edu Wed Nov 13 12:55:43 2013 From: tft at uw.edu (Terrill Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Call for papers: 20th Anniversary Issue of ITD-Journal In-Reply-To: <7FE324CA-6D72-4BE9-B357-6C4F8053D766@uw.edu> References: <7FE324CA-6D72-4BE9-B357-6C4F8053D766@uw.edu> Message-ID: Good question Sheryl re. peer review and copy editing. Since we're asking for relatively informal editorial-type articles, I wonder whether peer review is even necessary(?) If it is, I can think of a couple of approaches we could take: a) Recruit a small team of colleagues to serve as peer reviewers. (One person has already offered to serve in this capacity). b) Have an "open" peer review where people who submit articles give feedback to each other, with a commitment of reviewing a certain number of articles (something like two per person probably). As for copy editing, I think that function is built in. Teresa Haven typically does that in her role as journal editor, and since you (Sheryl) and I are guest editors we can help. What do others think? This is *your* journal ATHEN, so I welcome any feedback or suggestions. And thanks to everyone who's stepping forwarding as potential authors! Regards, Terrill On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Sheryl Burgstahler wrote: > How do you plan to coord the peer reviews of these articles? Copy editing? > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Sheryl Burgstahler, Ph.D. > Director, UW Accessible Technology & DO-IT, UW-IT > Affiliate Professor, Education > University of Washington, Box 354842 > Seattle, WA 98195 > 206-543-0622 FAX 206-221-4171 > http://staff.washington.edu/sherylb > sherylb@uw.edu > > > > On Nov 12, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Terrill Thompson wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> At the ATHEN annual meeting we discussed the possibility of having a >> 20th Anniversary issue of Information Technology and Disabilities >> (ITD) Journal, and the response among those present was overwhelmingly >> positive. >> >> For those of you who have been in the accessible technology field for >> a while, please read on and consider submitting an article... >> >> The Information Technology and Disabilities (ITD) Journal will soon be >> celebrating its twentieth year. Technology has evolved in amazing ways >> since that first issue was published in January 1994, and the >> evolution of technology has included a parallel evolution in >> accessibility (both positive and not-so-positive). >> >> This 20 year anniversary offers us an opportunity to consider all that >> has transpired over the last twenty years, and all that still needs to >> be done. With this in mind, the ITD Journal is seeking articles that >> explore the theme of change as it applies to information technology >> accessibility. Many of us who work in the IT accessibility field have >> been active in this space for a long time, persistently and patiently >> working to bring about positive change. This is an opportunity for >> each of us to reflect on what we've experienced, consider the >> challenges that await, and share perspectives on how we can apply the >> lessons of yesterday toward meeting the challenges of tomorrow. >> >> Submissions don't have to be long, formal, or scholarly. We're just >> wanting to assemble a collection of different perspectives that mark >> this point in time and offer ideas, strategies, and vision for >> everyone to contemplate as we continue moving forward. >> >> The deadline for submissions is December 30. We're hoping to pull it >> all together and publish the anniversary issue (with lots of fanfare) >> at the CSUN conference in March. >> >> Please consider submitting an article! And if you think you might do >> so, please let me know soon so we'll have a heads-up on what to >> expect. >> >> Thanks! >> Terrill >> >> Terrill Thompson >> Technology Accessibility Specialist >> DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services >> UW Information Technology >> University of Washington >> tft@uw.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From ron at ahead.org Wed Nov 13 13:18:29 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Call for papers: 20th Anniversary Issue of ITD-Journal In-Reply-To: References: <7FE324CA-6D72-4BE9-B357-6C4F8053D766@uw.edu> Message-ID: <06f701cee0b5$e7213a60$b563af20$@ahead.org> Hey all, grand Poobah here :-) While I am no longer the prez, I am still the prez emeritus and I think that gives me a bit of license. I meant to reply to this earlier, on this type of content peer review would be irrelevant but editorial review would not change. How can one peer evaluate another's perceptions of their experience. Let's not get so tied up in process that we forget about product. If you get a lot, and I am going to be surprised if that happens, then perhaps a culling process could occur but why do that in an online journal. Binary is cheap, as long as we do not go too far. For me the value is in the interchange, you never know what you may find out! I learn a lot from my young grand-critters that I have forgotten over the years of becoming an "adult". To bring this home. I am thinking about a conversation I had today with a long time mentee and now a respected colleague who is making some career decisions. Their comment was that over the years I have shared with them a lot of advice, some of value some not so much so, but what they hold to their heart today is a choice sentence that was given every now and then when it was particularly poignant. Not that I remember saying it, but I guess I do have my shining moments. It hit the point at the time, and they hold it in the back of their mind when they have the time to think about tomorrow. For me that is worth more than all the peer review nonsense I have dealt with over the years. How do you vet experience, or lessons learned the hard way. I know that is how I have learned most of mine. Ron -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Terrill Thompson Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Call for papers: 20th Anniversary Issue of ITD-Journal Good question Sheryl re. peer review and copy editing. Since we're asking for relatively informal editorial-type articles, I wonder whether peer review is even necessary(?) If it is, I can think of a couple of approaches we could take: a) Recruit a small team of colleagues to serve as peer reviewers. (One person has already offered to serve in this capacity). b) Have an "open" peer review where people who submit articles give feedback to each other, with a commitment of reviewing a certain number of articles (something like two per person probably). As for copy editing, I think that function is built in. Teresa Haven typically does that in her role as journal editor, and since you (Sheryl) and I are guest editors we can help. What do others think? This is *your* journal ATHEN, so I welcome any feedback or suggestions. And thanks to everyone who's stepping forwarding as potential authors! Regards, Terrill On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Sheryl Burgstahler wrote: > How do you plan to coord the peer reviews of these articles? Copy editing? > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Sheryl Burgstahler, Ph.D. > Director, UW Accessible Technology & DO-IT, UW-IT Affiliate Professor, > Education University of Washington, Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 > 206-543-0622 FAX 206-221-4171 > http://staff.washington.edu/sherylb > sherylb@uw.edu > > > > On Nov 12, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Terrill Thompson wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> At the ATHEN annual meeting we discussed the possibility of having a >> 20th Anniversary issue of Information Technology and Disabilities >> (ITD) Journal, and the response among those present was >> overwhelmingly positive. >> >> For those of you who have been in the accessible technology field for >> a while, please read on and consider submitting an article... >> >> The Information Technology and Disabilities (ITD) Journal will soon >> be celebrating its twentieth year. Technology has evolved in amazing >> ways since that first issue was published in January 1994, and the >> evolution of technology has included a parallel evolution in >> accessibility (both positive and not-so-positive). >> >> This 20 year anniversary offers us an opportunity to consider all >> that has transpired over the last twenty years, and all that still >> needs to be done. With this in mind, the ITD Journal is seeking >> articles that explore the theme of change as it applies to >> information technology accessibility. Many of us who work in the IT >> accessibility field have been active in this space for a long time, >> persistently and patiently working to bring about positive change. >> This is an opportunity for each of us to reflect on what we've >> experienced, consider the challenges that await, and share >> perspectives on how we can apply the lessons of yesterday toward meeting the challenges of tomorrow. >> >> Submissions don't have to be long, formal, or scholarly. We're just >> wanting to assemble a collection of different perspectives that mark >> this point in time and offer ideas, strategies, and vision for >> everyone to contemplate as we continue moving forward. >> >> The deadline for submissions is December 30. We're hoping to pull it >> all together and publish the anniversary issue (with lots of fanfare) >> at the CSUN conference in March. >> >> Please consider submitting an article! And if you think you might do >> so, please let me know soon so we'll have a heads-up on what to >> expect. >> >> Thanks! >> Terrill >> >> Terrill Thompson >> Technology Accessibility Specialist >> DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology >> University of Washington tft@uw.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From shahidak at echo.rutgers.edu Wed Nov 13 13:19:52 2013 From: shahidak at echo.rutgers.edu (Shahida Khaliq) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats In-Reply-To: <06a401cee0a7$9ad0f9b0$d072ed10$@ahead.org> References: <4599527AD714FA42B45CEDFE81CA397D19A606F1@OC11expo28.exchange.mit.edu> <49C454FC-ED38-4DC3-BB67-5F2C4A03DE38@stanford.edu> <06a401cee0a7$9ad0f9b0$d072ed10$@ahead.org> Message-ID: Thank you Ron, very helpful advice, it is much appreciated. I will definitely be putting it to use (getting in some fishing rods as I type). Sincerely Shahida From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:36 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats Just another comment on this topic. Grad thesis and dissertation readings can become a major issue, and one that I regularly use as one of my teachable moments in my talks and trainings. What I recommend is in determining the need to convert this is a relationship be established between the student, the major professor and the service office. It is a similar quandary to the optional and required book dilemma, with the exact same effective solution. Those materials that the student wants converted, and that the major prof concurs, should be at a minimum provided in an "auto-ocr'd" version. Now this requires that the student be proficient in their AT, but that is a life skill as well as an academic skill and I seriously question the survivability of any grad student who does not have the skills to be an effective student. The best example of this is a student and now longtime friend, who was a history of science major. They were studying a time in which none of their source materials were available in a textual format. Thank the gods for JSTOR who had almost everything in image based PDF. We were able to get the materials through JSTOR and Inter-Library loan, run them through auto recognition mode in the OCR application and the student was able to use their AT (Openbook) to review the materials. Those that were determined to be germane to a course at the time or later the dissertation research topic were further edited once the student had explicitly identified what it was they needed and the major prof concurred. I normally use a similar approach to research deep studies. Not sure if this helps but it has really proven to be a win-win over the last couple of decades with a lot of students. Give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach him to fish and feed him for a lifetime! Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Shahida Khaliq Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats Thank you Sean, and everybody who answered. At the moment our library is not part of the Hathi Trust Digital Library, but is in the process of joining them so what you say is a valid option for the future. We are not denying any books to the student, the waters just become cloudy in terms of the readings not being tied to a particular class or professor (as one of the publishers is asking for this information). The readings are up to the student with guidance from their advisor. As long as the student presents proof that they have purchased the book asked for, we will acquire or create an alternate format. However a book on loan from a library, I can see us doing portions but for the full book a purchase has to be made, beyond what portion of the book being asked for, should we ask for a receipt for proof of purchase? i.e. More than 5 chapters out of 10? From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:59 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats My comments would echo what Teresa and Kathy have said in terms of alternate formats for grad students. One thing I would add, as it relates to procedures, is that we also try to work with the faculty when dealing with reading lists. Reading lists for a grad program may include a list of titles, but sometimes faculty members have a very specific edition they want the student to read even though it is not explicit on the program's reading list. Another consideration may be to engage with the library at your institution to find out their status and relationship with the Hathi Trust Digital Library. Depending on who or what entity controls access to the accessible versions of the files, grad students may find this resource useful in that they may be able to obtain digital versions from a library representative directly. Alternatively, it may be a disability services office that acts as the "proxy" for the Hathi Trust. In any case, for students doing library research, this may be another option to consider procedurally. More about Hathi Trust and accessibility at: http://www.hathitrust.org/accessibility Take care, Sean On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Kathleen Cahill > wrote: Hi Shahida, The only difference might be that graduate students have lots of research that might not necessarily be tied to a particular class or textbook. We ask graduate students to produce a list of what's needed and prioritize items. Then, we do our best to procure reading materials in alternative formats that the student needs. Hope this helps, Kathy Kathleen Cahill Assistive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center) 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Shahida Khaliq Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:51 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Grad students and alternate formats Good Morning All Could those of you who deal with graduate students and their alternate format requests give me an idea of what your policies and procedures are concerning their readings. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Best Regards Shahida Khaliq Coordinator for Alternate Format Text & Adaptive Tech. Office of Disability Services Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey Lucy Stone Hall, Livingston Campus 54 Joyce Kilmer Ave, Suite A145 Piscataway, New Jersey 08854 Phone # (848) 445-6800 Fax # (732) 445-3388 Office Hours Monday- Friday 8:30am-5:00pm Website: https://ods.rutgers.edu Making a Key Difference _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Wed Nov 13 13:41:01 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats In-Reply-To: References: <4599527AD714FA42B45CEDFE81CA397D19A606F1@OC11expo28.exchange.mit.edu> <49C454FC-ED38-4DC3-BB67-5F2C4A03DE38@stanford.edu> <06a401cee0a7$9ad0f9b0$d072ed10$@ahead.org> Message-ID: <071101cee0b9$0c88b320$259a1960$@ahead.org> It is often about managing the workload, not the workload itself. The access requirement does not change but we can surly do it smarter in many instances that we have been doing. It is not about giving the student what they want, though that is a consideration, it is about what they need to level the playing field. You can only do so much, and the rest is up to them, but too often we give them more that they need and are not willing to ask them to step up to the bar. Some also have the tendency to make decisions for others on their needs and capabilities that are better left to them. That is why we have the issues with employment and employability, Academe is a step on the road, but it is not the road. Cheers From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Shahida Khaliq Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:20 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats Thank you Ron, very helpful advice, it is much appreciated. I will definitely be putting it to use (getting in some fishing rods as I type). Sincerely Shahida From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:36 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats Just another comment on this topic. Grad thesis and dissertation readings can become a major issue, and one that I regularly use as one of my teachable moments in my talks and trainings. What I recommend is in determining the need to convert this is a relationship be established between the student, the major professor and the service office. It is a similar quandary to the optional and required book dilemma, with the exact same effective solution. Those materials that the student wants converted, and that the major prof concurs, should be at a minimum provided in an "auto-ocr'd" version. Now this requires that the student be proficient in their AT, but that is a life skill as well as an academic skill and I seriously question the survivability of any grad student who does not have the skills to be an effective student. The best example of this is a student and now longtime friend, who was a history of science major. They were studying a time in which none of their source materials were available in a textual format. Thank the gods for JSTOR who had almost everything in image based PDF. We were able to get the materials through JSTOR and Inter-Library loan, run them through auto recognition mode in the OCR application and the student was able to use their AT (Openbook) to review the materials. Those that were determined to be germane to a course at the time or later the dissertation research topic were further edited once the student had explicitly identified what it was they needed and the major prof concurred. I normally use a similar approach to research deep studies. Not sure if this helps but it has really proven to be a win-win over the last couple of decades with a lot of students. Give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach him to fish and feed him for a lifetime! Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Shahida Khaliq Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats Thank you Sean, and everybody who answered. At the moment our library is not part of the Hathi Trust Digital Library, but is in the process of joining them so what you say is a valid option for the future. We are not denying any books to the student, the waters just become cloudy in terms of the readings not being tied to a particular class or professor (as one of the publishers is asking for this information). The readings are up to the student with guidance from their advisor. As long as the student presents proof that they have purchased the book asked for, we will acquire or create an alternate format. However a book on loan from a library, I can see us doing portions but for the full book a purchase has to be made, beyond what portion of the book being asked for, should we ask for a receipt for proof of purchase? i.e. More than 5 chapters out of 10? From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:59 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats My comments would echo what Teresa and Kathy have said in terms of alternate formats for grad students. One thing I would add, as it relates to procedures, is that we also try to work with the faculty when dealing with reading lists. Reading lists for a grad program may include a list of titles, but sometimes faculty members have a very specific edition they want the student to read even though it is not explicit on the program's reading list. Another consideration may be to engage with the library at your institution to find out their status and relationship with the Hathi Trust Digital Library. Depending on who or what entity controls access to the accessible versions of the files, grad students may find this resource useful in that they may be able to obtain digital versions from a library representative directly. Alternatively, it may be a disability services office that acts as the "proxy" for the Hathi Trust. In any case, for students doing library research, this may be another option to consider procedurally. More about Hathi Trust and accessibility at: http://www.hathitrust.org/accessibility Take care, Sean On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Kathleen Cahill wrote: Hi Shahida, The only difference might be that graduate students have lots of research that might not necessarily be tied to a particular class or textbook. We ask graduate students to produce a list of what's needed and prioritize items. Then, we do our best to procure reading materials in alternative formats that the student needs. Hope this helps, Kathy Kathleen Cahill Assistive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center) 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen- list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Shahida Khaliq Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:51 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network ( athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Grad students and alternate formats Good Morning All Could those of you who deal with graduate students and their alternate format requests give me an idea of what your policies and procedures are concerning their readings. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Best Regards Shahida Khaliq Coordinator for Alternate Format Text & Adaptive Tech. Office of Disability Services Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey Lucy Stone Hall, Livingston Campus 54 Joyce Kilmer Ave, Suite A145 Piscataway, New Jersey 08854 Phone # (848) 445-6800 Fax # (732) 445-3388 Office Hours Monday- Friday 8:30am-5:00pm Website: https://ods.rutgers.edu Making a Key Difference _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sherylb at uw.edu Wed Nov 13 13:45:28 2013 From: sherylb at uw.edu (Sheryl Burgstahler) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Call for papers: 20th Anniversary Issue of ITD-Journal In-Reply-To: <06f701cee0b5$e7213a60$b563af20$@ahead.org> References: <7FE324CA-6D72-4BE9-B357-6C4F8053D766@uw.edu> <06f701cee0b5$e7213a60$b563af20$@ahead.org> Message-ID: <95F0AF08-3324-497C-A346-3E906CE0EAC2@uw.edu> I think you are thinking more narrowly than I am about "peer review." I was thinking of an "open" review where colleagues give feedback. When I write an article I would welcome having someone else read it to give me suggestions about wording, other things to include, etc. I think feedback can lead to more effective communication and is not necessarily "peer review nonsense" Sounds like you personally have had some bad experiences with peer review, Ron. Sheryl ------------------------------------------------------------ Sheryl Burgstahler, Ph.D. Director, UW Accessible Technology & DO-IT, UW-IT Affiliate Professor, Education University of Washington, Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 206-543-0622 FAX 206-221-4171 http://staff.washington.edu/sherylb sherylb@uw.edu On Nov 13, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Ron Stewart wrote: > Hey all, grand Poobah here :-) While I am no longer the prez, I am still > the prez emeritus and I think that gives me a bit of license. > > I meant to reply to this earlier, on this type of content peer review would > be irrelevant but editorial review would not change. How can one peer > evaluate another's perceptions of their experience. Let's not get so tied up > in process that we forget about product. If you get a lot, and I am going to > be surprised if that happens, then perhaps a culling process could occur but > why do that in an online journal. Binary is cheap, as long as we do not go > too far. For me the value is in the interchange, you never know what you > may find out! I learn a lot from my young grand-critters that I have > forgotten over the years of becoming an "adult". > > To bring this home. I am thinking about a conversation I had today with a > long time mentee and now a respected colleague who is making some career > decisions. Their comment was that over the years I have shared with them a > lot of advice, some of value some not so much so, but what they hold to > their heart today is a choice sentence that was given every now and then > when it was particularly poignant. Not that I remember saying it, but I > guess I do have my shining moments. It hit the point at the time, and they > hold it in the back of their mind when they have the time to think about > tomorrow. > > For me that is worth more than all the peer review nonsense I have dealt > with over the years. How do you vet experience, or lessons learned the hard > way. I know that is how I have learned most of mine. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Terrill > Thompson > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:56 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Call for papers: 20th Anniversary Issue of ITD-Journal > > Good question Sheryl re. peer review and copy editing. Since we're asking > for relatively informal editorial-type articles, I wonder whether peer > review is even necessary(?) If it is, I can think of a couple of approaches > we could take: > > a) Recruit a small team of colleagues to serve as peer reviewers. (One > person has already offered to serve in this capacity). > > b) Have an "open" peer review where people who submit articles give feedback > to each other, with a commitment of reviewing a certain number of articles > (something like two per person probably). > > As for copy editing, I think that function is built in. Teresa Haven > typically does that in her role as journal editor, and since you > (Sheryl) and I are guest editors we can help. > > What do others think? This is *your* journal ATHEN, so I welcome any > feedback or suggestions. > > And thanks to everyone who's stepping forwarding as potential authors! > > Regards, > Terrill > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Sheryl Burgstahler wrote: >> How do you plan to coord the peer reviews of these articles? Copy editing? >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Sheryl Burgstahler, Ph.D. >> Director, UW Accessible Technology & DO-IT, UW-IT Affiliate Professor, >> Education University of Washington, Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 >> 206-543-0622 FAX 206-221-4171 >> http://staff.washington.edu/sherylb >> sherylb@uw.edu >> >> >> >> On Nov 12, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Terrill Thompson wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> At the ATHEN annual meeting we discussed the possibility of having a >>> 20th Anniversary issue of Information Technology and Disabilities >>> (ITD) Journal, and the response among those present was >>> overwhelmingly positive. >>> >>> For those of you who have been in the accessible technology field for >>> a while, please read on and consider submitting an article... >>> >>> The Information Technology and Disabilities (ITD) Journal will soon >>> be celebrating its twentieth year. Technology has evolved in amazing >>> ways since that first issue was published in January 1994, and the >>> evolution of technology has included a parallel evolution in >>> accessibility (both positive and not-so-positive). >>> >>> This 20 year anniversary offers us an opportunity to consider all >>> that has transpired over the last twenty years, and all that still >>> needs to be done. With this in mind, the ITD Journal is seeking >>> articles that explore the theme of change as it applies to >>> information technology accessibility. Many of us who work in the IT >>> accessibility field have been active in this space for a long time, >>> persistently and patiently working to bring about positive change. >>> This is an opportunity for each of us to reflect on what we've >>> experienced, consider the challenges that await, and share >>> perspectives on how we can apply the lessons of yesterday toward meeting > the challenges of tomorrow. >>> >>> Submissions don't have to be long, formal, or scholarly. We're just >>> wanting to assemble a collection of different perspectives that mark >>> this point in time and offer ideas, strategies, and vision for >>> everyone to contemplate as we continue moving forward. >>> >>> The deadline for submissions is December 30. We're hoping to pull it >>> all together and publish the anniversary issue (with lots of fanfare) >>> at the CSUN conference in March. >>> >>> Please consider submitting an article! And if you think you might do >>> so, please let me know soon so we'll have a heads-up on what to >>> expect. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Terrill >>> >>> Terrill Thompson >>> Technology Accessibility Specialist >>> DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology >>> University of Washington tft@uw.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From ron at ahead.org Wed Nov 13 13:50:43 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Call for papers: 20th Anniversary Issue of ITD-Journal In-Reply-To: <95F0AF08-3324-497C-A346-3E906CE0EAC2@uw.edu> References: <7FE324CA-6D72-4BE9-B357-6C4F8053D766@uw.edu> <06f701cee0b5$e7213a60$b563af20$@ahead.org> <95F0AF08-3324-497C-A346-3E906CE0EAC2@uw.edu> Message-ID: <072801cee0ba$67424be0$35c6e3a0$@ahead.org> No not at all Sheryl, I have never had an article rejected from the peer review process. Let's not make attribution where it is not warranted. Perhaps we are thinking of different definitions of the terms. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sheryl Burgstahler Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:45 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Call for papers: 20th Anniversary Issue of ITD-Journal I think you are thinking more narrowly than I am about "peer review." I was thinking of an "open" review where colleagues give feedback. When I write an article I would welcome having someone else read it to give me suggestions about wording, other things to include, etc. I think feedback can lead to more effective communication and is not necessarily "peer review nonsense" Sounds like you personally have had some bad experiences with peer review, Ron. Sheryl ------------------------------------------------------------ Sheryl Burgstahler, Ph.D. Director, UW Accessible Technology & DO-IT, UW-IT Affiliate Professor, Education University of Washington, Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 206-543-0622 FAX 206-221-4171 http://staff.washington.edu/sherylb sherylb@uw.edu On Nov 13, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Ron Stewart wrote: > Hey all, grand Poobah here :-) While I am no longer the prez, I am > still the prez emeritus and I think that gives me a bit of license. > > I meant to reply to this earlier, on this type of content peer review > would be irrelevant but editorial review would not change. How can > one peer evaluate another's perceptions of their experience. Let's not > get so tied up in process that we forget about product. If you get a > lot, and I am going to be surprised if that happens, then perhaps a > culling process could occur but why do that in an online journal. > Binary is cheap, as long as we do not go too far. For me the value is > in the interchange, you never know what you may find out! I learn a > lot from my young grand-critters that I have forgotten over the years of becoming an "adult". > > To bring this home. I am thinking about a conversation I had today > with a long time mentee and now a respected colleague who is making > some career decisions. Their comment was that over the years I have > shared with them a lot of advice, some of value some not so much so, > but what they hold to their heart today is a choice sentence that was > given every now and then when it was particularly poignant. Not that I > remember saying it, but I guess I do have my shining moments. It hit > the point at the time, and they hold it in the back of their mind when > they have the time to think about tomorrow. > > For me that is worth more than all the peer review nonsense I have > dealt with over the years. How do you vet experience, or lessons > learned the hard way. I know that is how I have learned most of mine. > > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > Terrill Thompson > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:56 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Call for papers: 20th Anniversary Issue of > ITD-Journal > > Good question Sheryl re. peer review and copy editing. Since we're > asking for relatively informal editorial-type articles, I wonder > whether peer review is even necessary(?) If it is, I can think of a > couple of approaches we could take: > > a) Recruit a small team of colleagues to serve as peer reviewers. (One > person has already offered to serve in this capacity). > > b) Have an "open" peer review where people who submit articles give > feedback to each other, with a commitment of reviewing a certain > number of articles (something like two per person probably). > > As for copy editing, I think that function is built in. Teresa Haven > typically does that in her role as journal editor, and since you > (Sheryl) and I are guest editors we can help. > > What do others think? This is *your* journal ATHEN, so I welcome any > feedback or suggestions. > > And thanks to everyone who's stepping forwarding as potential authors! > > Regards, > Terrill > > > On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:13 AM, Sheryl Burgstahler wrote: >> How do you plan to coord the peer reviews of these articles? Copy editing? >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Sheryl Burgstahler, Ph.D. >> Director, UW Accessible Technology & DO-IT, UW-IT Affiliate >> Professor, Education University of Washington, Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 >> 206-543-0622 FAX 206-221-4171 >> http://staff.washington.edu/sherylb >> sherylb@uw.edu >> >> >> >> On Nov 12, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Terrill Thompson wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> At the ATHEN annual meeting we discussed the possibility of having a >>> 20th Anniversary issue of Information Technology and Disabilities >>> (ITD) Journal, and the response among those present was >>> overwhelmingly positive. >>> >>> For those of you who have been in the accessible technology field >>> for a while, please read on and consider submitting an article... >>> >>> The Information Technology and Disabilities (ITD) Journal will soon >>> be celebrating its twentieth year. Technology has evolved in amazing >>> ways since that first issue was published in January 1994, and the >>> evolution of technology has included a parallel evolution in >>> accessibility (both positive and not-so-positive). >>> >>> This 20 year anniversary offers us an opportunity to consider all >>> that has transpired over the last twenty years, and all that still >>> needs to be done. With this in mind, the ITD Journal is seeking >>> articles that explore the theme of change as it applies to >>> information technology accessibility. Many of us who work in the IT >>> accessibility field have been active in this space for a long time, >>> persistently and patiently working to bring about positive change. >>> This is an opportunity for each of us to reflect on what we've >>> experienced, consider the challenges that await, and share >>> perspectives on how we can apply the lessons of yesterday toward >>> meeting > the challenges of tomorrow. >>> >>> Submissions don't have to be long, formal, or scholarly. We're just >>> wanting to assemble a collection of different perspectives that mark >>> this point in time and offer ideas, strategies, and vision for >>> everyone to contemplate as we continue moving forward. >>> >>> The deadline for submissions is December 30. We're hoping to pull it >>> all together and publish the anniversary issue (with lots of >>> fanfare) at the CSUN conference in March. >>> >>> Please consider submitting an article! And if you think you might do >>> so, please let me know soon so we'll have a heads-up on what to >>> expect. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Terrill >>> >>> Terrill Thompson >>> Technology Accessibility Specialist >>> DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology >>> University of Washington tft@uw.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From shahidak at echo.rutgers.edu Thu Nov 14 06:34:47 2013 From: shahidak at echo.rutgers.edu (Shahida Khaliq) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats In-Reply-To: <071101cee0b9$0c88b320$259a1960$@ahead.org> References: <4599527AD714FA42B45CEDFE81CA397D19A606F1@OC11expo28.exchange.mit.edu> <49C454FC-ED38-4DC3-BB67-5F2C4A03DE38@stanford.edu> <06a401cee0a7$9ad0f9b0$d072ed10$@ahead.org> <071101cee0b9$0c88b320$259a1960$@ahead.org> Message-ID: Exactly Ron. We are here to ensure they have the same access as their peers would have to course materials , no more, no less. As you say when they go out into the real world we should have furnished them with the wherewithal to be independent. Thank you Shahida From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 4:41 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats It is often about managing the workload, not the workload itself. The access requirement does not change but we can surly do it smarter in many instances that we have been doing. It is not about giving the student what they want, though that is a consideration, it is about what they need to level the playing field. You can only do so much, and the rest is up to them, but too often we give them more that they need and are not willing to ask them to step up to the bar. Some also have the tendency to make decisions for others on their needs and capabilities that are better left to them. That is why we have the issues with employment and employability, Academe is a step on the road, but it is not the road. Cheers From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Shahida Khaliq Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:20 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats Thank you Ron, very helpful advice, it is much appreciated. I will definitely be putting it to use (getting in some fishing rods as I type). Sincerely Shahida From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:36 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats Just another comment on this topic. Grad thesis and dissertation readings can become a major issue, and one that I regularly use as one of my teachable moments in my talks and trainings. What I recommend is in determining the need to convert this is a relationship be established between the student, the major professor and the service office. It is a similar quandary to the optional and required book dilemma, with the exact same effective solution. Those materials that the student wants converted, and that the major prof concurs, should be at a minimum provided in an "auto-ocr'd" version. Now this requires that the student be proficient in their AT, but that is a life skill as well as an academic skill and I seriously question the survivability of any grad student who does not have the skills to be an effective student. The best example of this is a student and now longtime friend, who was a history of science major. They were studying a time in which none of their source materials were available in a textual format. Thank the gods for JSTOR who had almost everything in image based PDF. We were able to get the materials through JSTOR and Inter-Library loan, run them through auto recognition mode in the OCR application and the student was able to use their AT (Openbook) to review the materials. Those that were determined to be germane to a course at the time or later the dissertation research topic were further edited once the student had explicitly identified what it was they needed and the major prof concurred. I normally use a similar approach to research deep studies. Not sure if this helps but it has really proven to be a win-win over the last couple of decades with a lot of students. Give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach him to fish and feed him for a lifetime! Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Shahida Khaliq Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:21 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats Thank you Sean, and everybody who answered. At the moment our library is not part of the Hathi Trust Digital Library, but is in the process of joining them so what you say is a valid option for the future. We are not denying any books to the student, the waters just become cloudy in terms of the readings not being tied to a particular class or professor (as one of the publishers is asking for this information). The readings are up to the student with guidance from their advisor. As long as the student presents proof that they have purchased the book asked for, we will acquire or create an alternate format. However a book on loan from a library, I can see us doing portions but for the full book a purchase has to be made, beyond what portion of the book being asked for, should we ask for a receipt for proof of purchase? i.e. More than 5 chapters out of 10? From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 12:59 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] RE: Grad students and alternate formats My comments would echo what Teresa and Kathy have said in terms of alternate formats for grad students. One thing I would add, as it relates to procedures, is that we also try to work with the faculty when dealing with reading lists. Reading lists for a grad program may include a list of titles, but sometimes faculty members have a very specific edition they want the student to read even though it is not explicit on the program's reading list. Another consideration may be to engage with the library at your institution to find out their status and relationship with the Hathi Trust Digital Library. Depending on who or what entity controls access to the accessible versions of the files, grad students may find this resource useful in that they may be able to obtain digital versions from a library representative directly. Alternatively, it may be a disability services office that acts as the "proxy" for the Hathi Trust. In any case, for students doing library research, this may be another option to consider procedurally. More about Hathi Trust and accessibility at: http://www.hathitrust.org/accessibility Take care, Sean On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Kathleen Cahill > wrote: Hi Shahida, The only difference might be that graduate students have lots of research that might not necessarily be tied to a particular class or textbook. We ask graduate students to produce a list of what's needed and prioritize items. Then, we do our best to procure reading materials in alternative formats that the student needs. Hope this helps, Kathy Kathleen Cahill Assistive Technology Specialist MIT ATIC (Assistive Tech. Info. Center) 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Shahida Khaliq Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 11:51 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Grad students and alternate formats Good Morning All Could those of you who deal with graduate students and their alternate format requests give me an idea of what your policies and procedures are concerning their readings. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Best Regards Shahida Khaliq Coordinator for Alternate Format Text & Adaptive Tech. Office of Disability Services Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey Lucy Stone Hall, Livingston Campus 54 Joyce Kilmer Ave, Suite A145 Piscataway, New Jersey 08854 Phone # (848) 445-6800 Fax # (732) 445-3388 Office Hours Monday- Friday 8:30am-5:00pm Website: https://ods.rutgers.edu Making a Key Difference _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terriscofield at cwidaho.cc Thu Nov 14 06:40:20 2013 From: terriscofield at cwidaho.cc (Terri Scofield) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: Questions/ Susan Kelmer Message-ID: Thank you Susan :) -----Original Message----- From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:12 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] RE: Questions Your only choice is to put in the alternate text if it is needed by the student. No publisher file or OCR'd file is going to magically know how to describe an image and give the information needed. This is the human, manual part of the process. Please note, though, that not ever figure, graphic, or table needs alternate format. Some are just "eye candy" and not needed. I would strongly suggest that you talk directly with the student about what their needs are and what isn't working (and what is). And the majority of the Pearson "My Lab" products are not going to be accessible to a student using Jaws. Pearson says they are working on this but I haven't seen enough progress yet to feel hopeful about it. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From Catherine.Stager at Colorado.EDU Thu Nov 14 06:57:18 2013 From: Catherine.Stager at Colorado.EDU (Catherine Stager) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: Questions/ Susan Kelmer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83F43AAD78907C4F919AFB7E5E92B4FDBF6C282332@EXC2.ad.colorado.edu> ati.gmu.edu/training/accessiblemasonwebinars.cfm leads to a link to the Pearson webinar recently hosted by George Mason University. This may be of interest regarding a11y of the MyLab products. Best regards, Cath From E.Henley at snhu.edu Thu Nov 14 06:54:51 2013 From: E.Henley at snhu.edu (Henley, Elizabeth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Software Questions Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone happen to know if JAWS plays nice with Adobe Illustrator CS6 and Adobe InDesign, and if so, any specific versions of JAWS? We have a student who uses JAWS and wants to take some classes that use those programs. There are so other issues regarding the content of the classes, but I'm trying to separate everything out and so one of the things is to see if his AT would even work with the common software for the course before looking at other pieces. Thanks, Liz Liz Henley Associate Director, Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Disability Services Southern New Hampshire University 2500 North River Rd ? 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This may be of interest regarding a11y of the MyLab products. Best regards, Cath _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From dhayman at u.washington.edu Thu Nov 14 08:42:43 2013 From: dhayman at u.washington.edu (Doug Hayman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Software Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Liz, Does this potential use of Illustrator have some vision? If so, seems like something like ZoomText or Magic with reader fuctionality would be a better way to go. If no vision, I can't easily imagine how they'll use Illustrator just by listening to JAWS feedback of menu items. Doug Hayman Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit On Thu, 14 Nov 2013, Henley, Elizabeth wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone happen to know if JAWS plays nice with Adobe Illustrator CS6 and Adobe InDesign, and if so, any specific versions of JAWS? We have a student who uses JAWS and wants to take some classes that use those programs. There are so other issues regarding the content of the classes, but I'm trying to separate everything out and so one of the things is to see if his AT would even work with the common software for the course before looking at other pieces. > > Thanks, > Liz > > Liz Henley > Associate Director, Assistive Technology Specialist > Office of Disability Services > Southern New Hampshire University > 2500 North River Rd ? 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OSU looked at it last year and we had some misgivings, but I've heard it's improved. I have a colleague at Northwestern who is considering it. Thanks, ken [The Ohio State University] Ken Petri, Program Director Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for Disability Services 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax petri.1@osu.edu wac.osu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Thu Nov 14 13:52:12 2013 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Save as DAISY plug in question Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A67B469@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Hello all, I'm using Word 2010 and the Save as DAISY plug in to create a DAISY book from a single file. I keep getting an error that the document is mal formed. Any idea what that means? It is happening on two different computers. The other files that were processed the same way are converting just fine. Any help would be appreciated. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danc at uw.edu Thu Nov 14 14:58:26 2013 From: danc at uw.edu (Dan Comden) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] experience with Canvas LMS accessibility? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've already chimed in (a while back) about some of the problems with Canvas accessibility, so I won't rehash as they're probably no longer current. As far as I can tell, many of the more serious issues are on the instructor-facing side of things, with a gradebook that's completely inaccessible for keyboard, speech input, or screenreader users. Probably the most challenging aspect of assessing the accessibility of Canvas is the fact that updates are constantly being applied to the LMS and as far as I know, institutions cannot freeze any particular release. I've been told that updates are being rolled in every two weeks. Not only does this mean that the behavior of Canvas can change as far as location of controls and features, it makes any accessibility evaluation very time sensitive. Having a freshness date on any evaluation is going to be vital. -*- Dan On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Ken Petri wrote: > Has anyone done an independent review of Canvas accessibility or have any > general impressions? OSU looked at it last year and we had some misgivings, > but I've heard it's improved. > > I have a colleague at Northwestern who is considering it. > > Thanks, > ken > > [image: The Ohio State University] > Ken Petri, Program Director > Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for > Disability Services > 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 > 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax > petri.1@osu.edu wac.osu.edu > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From Teresa.Haven at asu.edu Fri Nov 15 06:52:51 2013 From: Teresa.Haven at asu.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: NYTimes.com: Judge Sides With Google on Book Scanning Suit Message-ID: <41DBE0E04D07504A86D68558FE7BAB6B0FA41210@exmbt02.asurite.ad.asu.edu> Please excuse the cross-posting, but here is an update on a case many of us have been following: From The New York Times: Judge Sides With Google on Book Scanning Suit A federal judge dismissed a lawsuit filed by the Authors Guild, the latest ruling in an eight-year case seeking to stop the Google Books scanning program. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/15/business/media/judge-sides-with-google-on-book-scanning-suit.html Teresa LW Haven, Ph.D. Supervisor, Alternative Format Services Disability Resource Center Arizona State University From petri.1 at osu.edu Fri Nov 15 08:22:02 2013 From: petri.1 at osu.edu (Ken Petri) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] experience with Canvas LMS accessibility? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Dan and Hadi. I'll pass this along. ken [image: The Ohio State University] Ken Petri, Program Director Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for Disability Services 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax petri.1@osu.edu wac.osu.edu On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Dan Comden wrote: > I've already chimed in (a while back) about some of the problems with > Canvas accessibility, so I won't rehash as they're probably no longer > current. As far as I can tell, many of the more serious issues are on the > instructor-facing side of things, with a gradebook that's completely > inaccessible for keyboard, speech input, or screenreader users. > > Probably the most challenging aspect of assessing the accessibility of > Canvas is the fact that updates are constantly being applied to the LMS and > as far as I know, institutions cannot freeze any particular release. I've > been told that updates are being rolled in every two weeks. Not only does > this mean that the behavior of Canvas can change as far as location of > controls and features, it makes any accessibility evaluation very time > sensitive. Having a freshness date on any evaluation is going to be vital. > > -*- Dan > > > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Ken Petri wrote: > >> Has anyone done an independent review of Canvas accessibility or have any >> general impressions? OSU looked at it last year and we had some misgivings, >> but I've heard it's improved. >> >> I have a colleague at Northwestern who is considering it. >> >> Thanks, >> ken >> >> [image: The Ohio State University] >> Ken Petri, Program Director >> Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for >> Disability Services >> 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 >> 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax >> petri.1@osu.edu wac.osu.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> > > > -- > -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu > Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ > University of Washington UW Information Technology > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From E.Henley at snhu.edu Fri Nov 15 11:50:23 2013 From: E.Henley at snhu.edu (Henley, Elizabeth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Software Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Doug, He's an online student, so there's a lot of things that I need to check with him on this. It just started with an email asking about those programs and JAWS, which I know he uses, and I'm not sure of what other programs he may also be using. I have a planned call next week to get more information, but thought I'd prep for that by seeing if anyone knew if the programs even played nice with JAWS while waiting for the meeting. Liz Liz Henley Associate Director, Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Disability Services Southern New Hampshire University 2500 North River Rd ? Exeter 59 Manchester, NH 03106 (603) 626-9100, ext. 2118 On 11/14/13 11:42 AM, "Doug Hayman" wrote: >Liz, > >Does this potential use of Illustrator have some vision? If so, seems >like something like ZoomText or Magic with reader fuctionality would be a >better way to go. > >If no vision, I can't easily imagine how they'll use Illustrator just by >listening to JAWS feedback of menu items. > > > >Doug Hayman >Senior Computer Specialist >DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) >UW Technology Services >Box 354842 >Seattle, WA 98195 >(206) 221-4165 >http://www.washington.edu/doit > >On Thu, 14 Nov 2013, Henley, Elizabeth wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Does anyone happen to know if JAWS plays nice with Adobe Illustrator >>CS6 and Adobe InDesign, and if so, any specific versions of JAWS? We >>have a student who uses JAWS and wants to take some classes that use >>those programs. There are so other issues regarding the content of the >>classes, but I'm trying to separate everything out and so one of the >>things is to see if his AT would even work with the common software for >>the course before looking at other pieces. >> >> Thanks, >> Liz >> >> Liz Henley >> Associate Director, Assistive Technology Specialist >> Office of Disability Services >> Southern New Hampshire University >> 2500 North River Rd ? Exeter 59 >> Manchester, NH 03106 >> (603) 626-9100, ext. 2118 >> >>[cid:1D08511F-613C-4665-AD63-AA526EE7814D] >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >> >_______________________________________________ >athen-list mailing list >athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu >http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > >----- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6832 - Release Date: 11/13/13 From Andrea.Engle at utoledo.edu Fri Nov 15 13:26:31 2013 From: Andrea.Engle at utoledo.edu (Engle, Andrea June) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] captioning cost Message-ID: <84A066196BA6E54AB3C51373309B728FE5121DFB@msgdb10.utad.utoledo.edu> Does anyone know of any cost effective captioning options for lecture captures? We are currently looking at options for this on our university. 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To join this Webinar, go to http://easi.cc/clinic.htm From danc at uw.edu Sat Nov 16 16:00:07 2013 From: danc at uw.edu (Dan Comden) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Software Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Without responding to the likelihood of a screen reader user accessing the Illustrator drawing tool, I learned just last week at Ken Petri's AHG session that InDesign is pretty much impossible to use with a screenreader. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Henley, Elizabeth wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone happen to know if JAWS plays nice with Adobe Illustrator CS6 > and Adobe InDesign, and if so, any specific versions of JAWS? We have a > student who uses JAWS and wants to take some classes that use those > programs. There are so other issues regarding the content of the classes, > but I'm trying to separate everything out and so one of the things is to > see if his AT would even work with the common software for the course > before looking at other pieces. > > Thanks, > Liz > > > Liz Henley > > Associate Director, Assistive Technology Specialist > > Office of Disability Services > > Southern New Hampshire University > > 2500 North River Rd ? Exeter 59 > > Manchester, NH 03106 > > (603) 626-9100, ext. 2118 > > [image: Description: wordpress-icon] > > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability Services Boston University 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd Floor Boston, MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability (website) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.sorensen at pcc.edu Mon Nov 18 11:11:04 2013 From: karen.sorensen at pcc.edu (Karen Sorensen) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Captioning costs Message-ID: Hi Andrea, We outsource our captioning to 3Play Media. We bulk purchased captioning hours with them and got a price of $2.20/min which we think it equal or better to doing the captioning in house. It's also a lot faster than we could do in house. We have been very pleased with their service. We've also used Automatic Sync, but found that their billing and online account setup couldn't provide us with what we needed for our accounting. We also like that 3Play Media provides an interactive transcript with the captions. Hope that helps. Best, Karen Karen M. Sorensen Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses www.pcc.edu/access Portland Community College 971-722-4720 *"The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect.?* Tim Berners-Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Mon Nov 18 13:58:48 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] CWU's Central Access Reader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <108801cee4a9$5cc03770$1640a650$@ahead.org> Hi all, this is based on PT Reader which Sean and I shared with many of you over the last couple of years though it is interesting to see the change to support for MS Word format only. It is going to be interesting to see if this suffers from the same IE issues as other related tools, I hope not, but I am also not overly optimistic. It is on my list of things to play with and I have some pretty gnarly files to throw at it. Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:03 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] CWU's Central Access Reader Central Washington University has a free tool (Mac and Windows OS) for consuming electronic text in Word format, including Math content. It's called the Central Access Reader and looks very promising. One cool feature is that there are different settings for different kinds of math, so the user can change between algebra, calculus, statistics, etc. Math content can be created with Word's Equation Editor or MathType I believe it's still under development. The price is free. Check it out. Info and download link is http://www.cwu.edu/central-access/reader -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Mon Nov 18 14:07:44 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Norton AntiSpam]RE: [Athen] CWU's Central Access Reader In-Reply-To: <108801cee4a9$5cc03770$1640a650$@ahead.org> References: <108801cee4a9$5cc03770$1640a650$@ahead.org> Message-ID: <109c01cee4aa$9ba46aa0$d2ed3fe0$@ahead.org> More on this, the file contains some components that will not pass your security software due to known issues. I am still trying to work through those but at this point cannot get it to install even when I disable my anti-everything software. Ron From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:59 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Norton AntiSpam]RE: [Athen] CWU's Central Access Reader Hi all, this is based on PT Reader which Sean and I shared with many of you over the last couple of years though it is interesting to see the change to support for MS Word format only. It is going to be interesting to see if this suffers from the same IE issues as other related tools, I hope not, but I am also not overly optimistic. It is on my list of things to play with and I have some pretty gnarly files to throw at it. Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:03 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] CWU's Central Access Reader Central Washington University has a free tool (Mac and Windows OS) for consuming electronic text in Word format, including Math content. It's called the Central Access Reader and looks very promising. One cool feature is that there are different settings for different kinds of math, so the user can change between algebra, calculus, statistics, etc. Math content can be created with Word's Equation Editor or MathType I believe it's still under development. The price is free. Check it out. 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I am still trying to work through > those but at this point cannot get it to install even when I disable my > anti-everything software. > > > > Ron > > > > *From:* athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto: > athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of *Ron Stewart > *Sent:* Monday, November 18, 2013 3:59 PM > > *To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > *Subject:* [Norton AntiSpam]RE: [Athen] CWU's Central Access Reader > > > > Hi all, this is based on PT Reader which Sean and I shared with many of > you over the last couple of years though it is interesting to see the > change to support for MS Word format only. > > > > It is going to be interesting to see if this suffers from the same IE > issues as other related tools, I hope not, but I am also not overly > optimistic. It is on my list of things to play with and I have some pretty > gnarly files to throw at it. > > > > Ron Stewart > > > > *From:* athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of *Dan > Comden > *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:03 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* [Athen] CWU's Central Access Reader > > > > Central Washington University has a free tool (Mac and Windows OS) for > consuming electronic text in Word format, including Math content. It's > called the Central Access Reader and looks very promising. > > > > One cool feature is that there are different settings for different kinds > of math, so the user can change between algebra, calculus, statistics, etc. > > > > Math content can be created with Word's Equation Editor or MathType > > > > I believe it's still under development. The price is free. Check it out. > Info and download link is http://www.cwu.edu/central-access/reader > > > > -- > > -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu > > Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ > > University of Washington UW Information Technology > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Mon Nov 18 14:24:15 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Norton AntiSpam]RE: [Athen] CWU's Central Access Reader In-Reply-To: References: <108801cee4a9$5cc03770$1640a650$@ahead.org> <109c01cee4aa$9ba46aa0$d2ed3fe0$@ahead.org> Message-ID: <10b601cee4ac$ea755930$bf600b90$@ahead.org> Thanks that is not the issue, I am going to try it on a different machine. The issue was getting it to download with a known security compromise in it. From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 4:13 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam]RE: [Athen] CWU's Central Access Reader I have successfully installed both the Mac and Windows(7) versions -- the Win version indicates it's for 64bit OS, maybe that's your issue? I saw no alerts with the Win install. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Ron Stewart wrote: More on this, the file contains some components that will not pass your security software due to known issues. I am still trying to work through those but at this point cannot get it to install even when I disable my anti-everything software. Ron From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:59 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Norton AntiSpam]RE: [Athen] CWU's Central Access Reader Hi all, this is based on PT Reader which Sean and I shared with many of you over the last couple of years though it is interesting to see the change to support for MS Word format only. It is going to be interesting to see if this suffers from the same IE issues as other related tools, I hope not, but I am also not overly optimistic. It is on my list of things to play with and I have some pretty gnarly files to throw at it. Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:03 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] CWU's Central Access Reader Central Washington University has a free tool (Mac and Windows OS) for consuming electronic text in Word format, including Math content. It's called the Central Access Reader and looks very promising. One cool feature is that there are different settings for different kinds of math, so the user can change between algebra, calculus, statistics, etc. Math content can be created with Word's Equation Editor or MathType I believe it's still under development. The price is free. Check it out. Info and download link is http://www.cwu.edu/central-access/reader -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ahead.org Mon Nov 18 14:30:00 2013 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:24 2018 Subject: [Norton AntiSpam]RE: [Athen] CWU's Central Access Reader In-Reply-To: References: <108801cee4a9$5cc03770$1640a650$@ahead.org> <109c01cee4aa$9ba46aa0$d2ed3fe0$@ahead.org> Message-ID: <10bb01cee4ad$b829def0$287d9cd0$@ahead.org> more on this, the installation packages shows a security threat which has to be accepted in order to get the installer to work. From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 4:13 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam]RE: [Athen] CWU's Central Access Reader I have successfully installed both the Mac and Windows(7) versions -- the Win version indicates it's for 64bit OS, maybe that's your issue? I saw no alerts with the Win install. On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Ron Stewart wrote: More on this, the file contains some components that will not pass your security software due to known issues. I am still trying to work through those but at this point cannot get it to install even when I disable my anti-everything software. Ron From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 3:59 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Norton AntiSpam]RE: [Athen] CWU's Central Access Reader Hi all, this is based on PT Reader which Sean and I shared with many of you over the last couple of years though it is interesting to see the change to support for MS Word format only. It is going to be interesting to see if this suffers from the same IE issues as other related tools, I hope not, but I am also not overly optimistic. It is on my list of things to play with and I have some pretty gnarly files to throw at it. Ron Stewart From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:03 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] CWU's Central Access Reader Central Washington University has a free tool (Mac and Windows OS) for consuming electronic text in Word format, including Math content. It's called the Central Access Reader and looks very promising. One cool feature is that there are different settings for different kinds of math, so the user can change between algebra, calculus, statistics, etc. Math content can be created with Word's Equation Editor or MathType I believe it's still under development. The price is free. Check it out. Info and download link is http://www.cwu.edu/central-access/reader -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbailey at uoregon.edu Tue Nov 19 09:55:54 2013 From: jbailey at uoregon.edu (James Bailey) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] RoboBraille Message-ID: Hello all: I think the RoboBraille service is great and I tell our Alt-format users about it. I particularly recommend it for those study sessions when a picture-only PDF comes off of BlackBoard etc. and a the student needs it converted quickly to keep working. I have received an e-mail or two from them suggesting we (U Oregon) need an agreement with them. We do not use it at all in our production process. I simply make students aware of it and the students then use it or not as individuals. This is from their web site (it's cut and paste so any typos are theirs): "RoboBraille is available 24/7 as a self-service solution, it is free of charge to all individual, non-commercial users and users need not register in order to use the service. The objective is to support and promote self-sufficiency of people with special needs socially, throughout the educational system and on the labour market. As an additional benefit, RoboBraille helps to protect the privacy of of those who need material in alternate formats." This seems pretty cut and dried to me. If you have a take on this, please share it. Oh it gets better! From: Tanja Stevns Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:10 AM To: James Bailey Subject: SV: Document conversion James, The users go through our SensusAccess engine. The requests is coming from University of Oregon. I am not talking about personal private use of individuals using RoboBraille as you are referring to in this mail. Now I have tried to approach this in the best way possible but we will take action on further ongoing use from universities who do not wish to make an agreement with us. Have a nice day, Tanja My take on this is that they are seeing our student e-mail accounts as being the University of Oregon. As Tanja says, "Have a nice day" James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roberte at uci.edu Tue Nov 19 10:25:37 2013 From: roberte at uci.edu (Robert Espero) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] RoboBraille In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02f901cee554$becfdc30$3c6f9490$@uci.edu> RoboBraille/Sensus Access has been an incredible resource for my campus. We've got a handful of Ph.D. students who are in need of literally hundreds of texts/resources (physical, multiple digital formats that include PDF, JPG, etc.). Simply due to the limitations of our office hours and availability we have been training our students on how to use RoboBraille/Sensus Access. They upload their own files and receive them back in their preferred output format (MP3 audio, Braille, e-Book, or DOC/TXT/RTF/Tagged PDF) via email or FTP. It has saved a significant amount of work for my AltMedia Specialist AND most importantly is available 24 hours, 7 days a week. For smaller uploaded files of up to 50 pages has taken less than 10 minutes to receive the accessible format back. For entire books (300-400) it has taken approximately 2-6 hours in my experience (broken down into chapters). My office has made RoboBraille/SensusAccess available via our homepage but can be accessed directly at: http://www.dsc.uci.edu/conversion/convert.php The only requirement is that the users have a @uci.edu domain on their email. In this, the campus Libraries and academic departments have been able to utilize this resource in the event they have other clientele, students, faculty and/or staff that require accessible media. If you have any additional questions please feel free to email me back or call me at 949-824-9205. Kind Regards, Robert Espero AT/IT Manager Disability Services Center UC Irvine From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of James Bailey Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:56 AM To: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] RoboBraille Hello all: I think the RoboBraille service is great and I tell our Alt-format users about it. I particularly recommend it for those study sessions when a picture-only PDF comes off of BlackBoard etc. and a the student needs it converted quickly to keep working. I have received an e-mail or two from them suggesting we (U Oregon) need an agreement with them. We do not use it at all in our production process. I simply make students aware of it and the students then use it or not as individuals. This is from their web site (it's cut and paste so any typos are theirs): "RoboBraille is available 24/7 as a self-service solution, it is free of charge to all individual, non-commercial users and users need not register in order to use the service. The objective is to support and promote self-sufficiency of people with special needs socially, throughout the educational system and on the labour market. As an additional benefit, RoboBraille helps to protect the privacy of of those who need material in alternate formats." This seems pretty cut and dried to me. If you have a take on this, please share it. Oh it gets better! From: Tanja Stevns Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:10 AM To: James Bailey Subject: SV: Document conversion James, The users go through our SensusAccess engine. The requests is coming from University of Oregon. I am not talking about personal private use of individuals using RoboBraille as you are referring to in this mail. Now I have tried to approach this in the best way possible but we will take action on further ongoing use from universities who do not wish to make an agreement with us. Have a nice day, Tanja My take on this is that they are seeing our student e-mail accounts as being the University of Oregon. As Tanja says, "Have a nice day" James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at stanford.edu Tue Nov 19 11:58:29 2013 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] RoboBraille In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8228E9BD-A476-4091-8A78-3F6F81421E4B@stanford.edu> Hmm - interesting response. Perhaps they (Robobraille) see the usage from certain email addresses and are thinking it may be originating from the institution's use? One option may be to have students use a personal email account that is not affiliated with the institution. I am curious as to what the usage volume may be to result in this response from Robobraille. Full disclosure - we are using a variation on the Robobraille/Sensus Access system and encountered the opposite issue. Students wanted to use any email address and we require them to use their @stanford account in our system. The upside for me is that I can track system usage (although not specific individuals) to assess the volume. Were they able to provide information about volume or is it just any use? Take care, Sean On Nov 19, 2013, at 9:55 AM, James Bailey wrote: > > > Hello all: > I think the RoboBraille service is great and I tell our Alt-format users about it. I particularly recommend it for those study sessions when a picture-only PDF comes off of BlackBoard etc. and a the student needs it converted quickly to keep working. > I have received an e-mail or two from them suggesting we (U Oregon) need an agreement with them. We do not use it at all in our production process. I simply make students aware of it and the students then use it or not as individuals. > > This is from their web site (it?s cut and paste so any typos are theirs): > ?RoboBraille is available 24/7 as a self-service solution, it is free of charge to all individual, non-commercial users and users need not register in order to use the service. The objective is to support and promote self-sufficiency of people with special needs socially, throughout the educational system and on the labour market. As an additional benefit, RoboBraille helps to protect the privacy of of those who need material in alternate formats.? > This seems pretty cut and dried to me. > If you have a take on this, please share it. > > Oh it gets better! > > From: Tanja Stevns > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:10 AM > To: James Bailey > Subject: SV: Document conversion > James, > The users go through our SensusAccess engine. The requests is coming from University of Oregon. I am not talking about > personal private use of individuals using RoboBraille as you are referring to in this mail. > Now I have tried to approach this in the best way possible but we will take action on further ongoing use from > universities who do not wish to make an agreement with us. > Have a nice day, > Tanja > > My take on this is that they are seeing our student e-mail accounts as being the University of Oregon. > > As Tanja says, ?Have a nice day? > > James > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbailey at uoregon.edu Tue Nov 19 12:17:53 2013 From: jbailey at uoregon.edu (James Bailey) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] RoboBraille In-Reply-To: <8228E9BD-A476-4091-8A78-3F6F81421E4B@stanford.edu> References: <8228E9BD-A476-4091-8A78-3F6F81421E4B@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Sean - Yes, I bet they think this is coming from our alt-format production I think they don't realize those are students from uoregon.edu. Seems to me students qualify for free use. I've suggested they block uoregon.edu and let students use their "personal" accounts. They're considering it. - James From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:58 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] RoboBraille Hmm - interesting response. Perhaps they (Robobraille) see the usage from certain email addresses and are thinking it may be originating from the institution's use? One option may be to have students use a personal email account that is not affiliated with the institution. I am curious as to what the usage volume may be to result in this response from Robobraille. Full disclosure - we are using a variation on the Robobraille/Sensus Access system and encountered the opposite issue. Students wanted to use any email address and we require them to use their @stanford account in our system. The upside for me is that I can track system usage (although not specific individuals) to assess the volume. Were they able to provide information about volume or is it just any use? Take care, Sean On Nov 19, 2013, at 9:55 AM, James Bailey > wrote: Hello all: I think the RoboBraille service is great and I tell our Alt-format users about it. I particularly recommend it for those study sessions when a picture-only PDF comes off of BlackBoard etc. and a the student needs it converted quickly to keep working. I have received an e-mail or two from them suggesting we (U Oregon) need an agreement with them. We do not use it at all in our production process. I simply make students aware of it and the students then use it or not as individuals. This is from their web site (it's cut and paste so any typos are theirs): "RoboBraille is available 24/7 as a self-service solution, it is free of charge to all individual, non-commercial users and users need not register in order to use the service. The objective is to support and promote self-sufficiency of people with special needs socially, throughout the educational system and on the labour market. As an additional benefit, RoboBraille helps to protect the privacy of of those who need material in alternate formats." This seems pretty cut and dried to me. If you have a take on this, please share it. Oh it gets better! From: Tanja Stevns > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:10 AM To: James Bailey Subject: SV: Document conversion James, The users go through our SensusAccess engine. The requests is coming from University of Oregon. I am not talking about personal private use of individuals using RoboBraille as you are referring to in this mail. Now I have tried to approach this in the best way possible but we will take action on further ongoing use from universities who do not wish to make an agreement with us. Have a nice day, Tanja My take on this is that they are seeing our student e-mail accounts as being the University of Oregon. As Tanja says, "Have a nice day" James _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Tue Nov 19 14:21:48 2013 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Save as DAISY plug in question In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A67B469@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A67B469@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <0B5FDD7A8A9445E385F246345D378D7E@htctu.fhda.edu> You might try saving your source document out to TXT and then trying again. You may have an unreadable format somewhere. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich High Tech Center Training Unit of the California Community Colleges De Anza College, Cupertino, CA www.htctu.net 408-996-6043 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _____ From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:52 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu); Alternate Media(altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu) Subject: [Athen] Save as DAISY plug in question Hello all, I'm using Word 2010 and the Save as DAISY plug in to create a DAISY book from a single file. I keep getting an error that the document is mal formed. Any idea what that means? It is happening on two different computers. The other files that were processed the same way are converting just fine. Any help would be appreciated. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at stanford.edu Tue Nov 19 14:36:06 2013 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Save as DAISY plug in question In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A67B469@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A67B469@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: Hi Robert, A few thoughts that come to mind (as I was dealing with this a few weeks ago): 1. Are you using MS Word 2010 64-bit or 32-bit and do you have the correct Save As DAISY version for the correct version of MS Word? 2. Have you run the validator on the DOCX file and received the "This document is valid" response? 3. Did you load the DAISY styles into the document? Sometimes this works for me. 4. Is there any math content in the document and/or do you have any MathType objects in the document that are empty? We have sometimes had people erroneously include an empty object in the document. Gaeir's suggestion works best to drop the file back to TXT and then back to MS Word as that can remove any MS Word objects that should not be in the document. Faster than trying to go through the document line-by-line. 5. Is there a hidden H1 heading somewhere in the document? This has caused problems for us in the past. Once again, going to TXT and back can solve that problem, although you will have to redo the heading levels. Take care, Sean On Nov 14, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Robert Beach wrote: > Hello all, > > I?m using Word 2010 and the Save as DAISY plug in to create a DAISY book from a single file. I keep getting an error that the document is mal formed. Any idea what that means? It is happening on two different computers. The other files that were processed the same way are converting just fine. Any help would be appreciated. > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > 913-288-7671 > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at Colorado.EDU Tue Nov 19 14:57:43 2013 From: Susan.Kelmer at Colorado.EDU (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] RoboBraille In-Reply-To: References: <8228E9BD-A476-4091-8A78-3F6F81421E4B@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807AE9753D863@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> So for those that have a campus "agreement" with Robobraille...what does it entail? Are you paying funds to Sensus for this "agreement?" 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I get an iframe to add to one of my web pages which allows students to submit a file from their computer (default on SA's main page), or I have the ability to post a file via URL (non-authentication), or I can copy and paste text into a textbox for conversion. I also get the ability to request features to be implemented. One feature that was implemented at our request was the ability to have files available as download links instead of being attached to emails. This was due to some documents being too large (over 30M) for some email systems, to which they added code to recognize file size limitations and send users a link instead of an attachment. Technical issues are usually resolved via email within an hour as well. A benefit is that I don't have to pay for that outrageous pricetag that ABBYY recognition server was requesting, which increased depending on how many cores you plan on using within your processor (look underneath my signature for the quotes I was given...). I also don't have to pay, or maintain, a server, or have to worry about the setup, licensing, or maintenance of all the programs needed for the conversion process. (MS Office, OpenOffice, Calibre, DAISY Pipeline, NeoSpeech voices, Mailserver, FTP, RoboBraille, and all the plug-ins and specialized software). There is a slight difference between ABBYY Pro, which I believe SCRIBE is using, and ABBYY recognition server, which is what SA is using. I instruct our students on how to use the UC Davis hosted service for their needs, and that they can continue to use the open SensusAccess portal for conversions after higher ed. If this service dies after a few years, then all my plans to support my students after higher ed vanishes as well. NOT GOOD. Sorry, I went full nerd on everyone. I know...I'm not supposed to go full nerd, but...I did. TL;DR - Yeah, we pay for the service...and it has its' ups and downs, but yet...it's beautiful. Joshua Hori Accessible Technology Analyst University of California, Davis Student Disability Center ABBYY Recognition Server (OCR support) * $3,366 for 1 million page conversions, $1,346 annual maintenance (locked to a single core) * $2,993 for 300k page conversions, $1,197 annual maintenance (locked to a single core) * $1,850 for 100k page conversions, $740 annual maintenance (locked to a single core) * Dual core license: $12k, $4,800 annual maintenance * Quad core license: $18k o Has the ability to convert 100k pages per night Remember...this is just for the OCR software. From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of James Bailey Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:56 AM To: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] RoboBraille Hello all: I think the RoboBraille service is great and I tell our Alt-format users about it. I particularly recommend it for those study sessions when a picture-only PDF comes off of BlackBoard etc. and a the student needs it converted quickly to keep working. I have received an e-mail or two from them suggesting we (U Oregon) need an agreement with them. We do not use it at all in our production process. I simply make students aware of it and the students then use it or not as individuals. This is from their web site (it's cut and paste so any typos are theirs): "RoboBraille is available 24/7 as a self-service solution, it is free of charge to all individual, non-commercial users and users need not register in order to use the service. The objective is to support and promote self-sufficiency of people with special needs socially, throughout the educational system and on the labour market. As an additional benefit, RoboBraille helps to protect the privacy of of those who need material in alternate formats." This seems pretty cut and dried to me. If you have a take on this, please share it. Oh it gets better! From: Tanja Stevns > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:10 AM To: James Bailey Subject: SV: Document conversion James, The users go through our SensusAccess engine. The requests is coming from University of Oregon. I am not talking about personal private use of individuals using RoboBraille as you are referring to in this mail. Now I have tried to approach this in the best way possible but we will take action on further ongoing use from universities who do not wish to make an agreement with us. Have a nice day, Tanja My take on this is that they are seeing our student e-mail accounts as being the University of Oregon. As Tanja says, "Have a nice day" James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course this would be great for the visually disabled, but could also benefit Joshua Hori Accessible Technology Analyst University of California, Davis Student Disability Center From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Engle, Andrea June Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 1:27 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] captioning cost Does anyone know of any cost effective captioning options for lecture captures? We are currently looking at options for this on our university. Thank you, Andrea Engle Academic Accommodation Specialist Office of Academic Access The University of Toledo 2801 W. Bancroft St. MS#342 Toledo, OH 43606-3390 Phone: 419-530-4981 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at stanford.edu Tue Nov 19 16:35:41 2013 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: RoboBraille In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <760A03BD-0674-472A-B13D-8435FFFC0959@stanford.edu> To follow-up on Joshua's comment - the SCRIBE system uses Abbyy FineReader Corporate Edition and the reason for this is because we manage the system on-campus vs. the hosted solution other institutions are implementing. Overall, it works okay, but Recognition Server is far more robust in terms of speed and recovery from corrupted PDF documents. When we built SCRIBE, FineReader Corporate Edition was the only viable option for us as Recognition Server was too expensive. Every so often I do have to go and restart the Abbyy Corporate Edition application on our system as a corrupted PDF file will stop the automatic processing and, from what I can tell, this does not happen with Recognition Server (on the other hand, you don't suffer quite as many heart attacks from the RS pricing). Getting access to Recognition Server is far better for overall reliability. I am not too concerned about the future of the Robobraille/SensusAccess portal as there is too much investment by other entities around the world to let it expire. As Joshua mentioned, I also suggest the system for users once they leave the institutional environment and believe this resource will continue until something better comes along. Take care, sean On Nov 19, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Joshua Hori wrote: > Hello everyone! > > Along with UC Irvine, UC Davis has also purchased a hosted license of SensusAccess to be used by faculty, students, or staff using a UCDavis email addresses. This is to ensure that our students can provide their own conversions if needed and to support development. Currently, SensusAccess is paid by European governments for European students. When the SensusAccess group came to the US Government for funding, they were told to request funds from institutions instead. > > So, what do I get with my license? > I get an iframe to add to one of my web pages which allows students to submit a file from their computer (default on SA?s main page), or I have the ability to post a file via URL (non-authentication), or I can copy and paste text into a textbox for conversion. > > I also get the ability to request features to be implemented. One feature that was implemented at our request was the ability to have files available as download links instead of being attached to emails. This was due to some documents being too large (over 30M) for some email systems, to which they added code to recognize file size limitations and send users a link instead of an attachment. Technical issues are usually resolved via email within an hour as well. > > A benefit is that I don?t have to pay for that outrageous pricetag that ABBYY recognition server was requesting, which increased depending on how many cores you plan on using within your processor (look underneath my signature for the quotes I was given?). I also don?t have to pay, or maintain, a server, or have to worry about the setup, licensing, or maintenance of all the programs needed for the conversion process. (MS Office, OpenOffice, Calibre, DAISY Pipeline, NeoSpeech voices, Mailserver, FTP, RoboBraille, and all the plug-ins and specialized software). There is a slight difference between ABBYY Pro, which I believe SCRIBE is using, and ABBYY recognition server, which is what SA is using. > > I instruct our students on how to use the UC Davis hosted service for their needs, and that they can continue to use the open SensusAccess portal for conversions after higher ed. If this service dies after a few years, then all my plans to support my students after higher ed vanishes as well. NOT GOOD. > > Sorry, I went full nerd on everyone. I know?I?m not supposed to go full nerd, but?I did. > > TL;DR ? Yeah, we pay for the service?and it has its? ups and downs, but yet?it?s beautiful. > > Joshua Hori > Accessible Technology Analyst > University of California, Davis > Student Disability Center > > ABBYY Recognition Server (OCR support) > ? $3,366 for 1 million page conversions, $1,346 annual maintenance (locked to a single core) > ? $2,993 for 300k page conversions, $1,197 annual maintenance (locked to a single core) > ? $1,850 for 100k page conversions, $740 annual maintenance (locked to a single core) > ? Dual core license: $12k, $4,800 annual maintenance > ? Quad core license: $18k > o Has the ability to convert 100k pages per night > > Remember?this is just for the OCR software. > > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of James Bailey > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:56 AM > To: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] RoboBraille > > > > Hello all: > I think the RoboBraille service is great and I tell our Alt-format users about it. I particularly recommend it for those study sessions when a picture-only PDF comes off of BlackBoard etc. and a the student needs it converted quickly to keep working. > I have received an e-mail or two from them suggesting we (U Oregon) need an agreement with them. We do not use it at all in our production process. I simply make students aware of it and the students then use it or not as individuals. > > This is from their web site (it?s cut and paste so any typos are theirs): > ?RoboBraille is available 24/7 as a self-service solution, it is free of charge to all individual, non-commercial users and users need not register in order to use the service. The objective is to support and promote self-sufficiency of people with special needs socially, throughout the educational system and on the labour market. As an additional benefit, RoboBraille helps to protect the privacy of of those who need material in alternate formats.? > This seems pretty cut and dried to me. > If you have a take on this, please share it. > > Oh it gets better! > > From: Tanja Stevns > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:10 AM > To: James Bailey > Subject: SV: Document conversion > James, > The users go through our SensusAccess engine. The requests is coming from University of Oregon. I am not talking about > personal private use of individuals using RoboBraille as you are referring to in this mail. > Now I have tried to approach this in the best way possible but we will take action on further ongoing use from > universities who do not wish to make an agreement with us. > Have a nice day, > Tanja > > My take on this is that they are seeing our student e-mail accounts as being the University of Oregon. > > As Tanja says, ?Have a nice day? > > James > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From edward at ngtvoice.com Wed Nov 20 06:34:11 2013 From: edward at ngtvoice.com (Ed. Rosenthal) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] J say and Blackboard In-Reply-To: <9CD7975AD546754DBA3B21EC09D0882E59A39756@IST-EX10MBX-4.ad.bu.edu> References: <9CD7975AD546754DBA3B21EC09D0882E59A39756@IST-EX10MBX-4.ad.bu.edu> Message-ID: <001701cee5fd$961ca7b0$c255f710$@ngtvoice.com> Lorraine- coincidentally this posting was on the JSay Listsrv two days ago: Hi Stephen, I am currently using Blackboard 9.0 here in the United Kingdom with Jaws 13, J say 10 and Dragon Naturally Speaking 11.5 and have very few problems with it. Regards Paul J.E. Smith 70 Moorsfield Chilton Moor Houghton le Spring DH4 5PG Tel: 0191 385 6356 From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Norwich, Lorraine S Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 7:58 AM To: athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu Cc: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: [Athen] J say and Blackboard Hi I have a distance education student who is both blind and a one handed keyboard user. She has managed up till now to work with Jaws but working with Blackboard 9 for her LMS, has become a lot more challenging to her. I think that she may do well with J say but have had no experience with it. Does anyone else? Questions: 1. Does anyone have experience with J say and Blackboard 2. Any thoughts other than J say for a jaws user with manual dexterity issues. Thanks Lorraine Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability Services Boston University 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd Floor Boston, MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability (website) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blrichwine at gmail.com Wed Nov 20 07:46:40 2013 From: blrichwine at gmail.com (Brian Richwine) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: RoboBraille In-Reply-To: <760A03BD-0674-472A-B13D-8435FFFC0959@stanford.edu> References: <760A03BD-0674-472A-B13D-8435FFFC0959@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Can anyone comment on the quality of the materials produced by the Robobraille/SensusAccess portal? Our students are used to having our editing staff produce fully edited accessible word documents (with appropriate heading structures, page number matching, described images, linearized/described tables, etc.). What kind of student satisfaction feedback are you getting? Sincerely, Brian On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Sean Keegan wrote: > To follow-up on Joshua's comment - the SCRIBE system uses Abbyy FineReader > Corporate Edition and the reason for this is because we manage the system > on-campus vs. the hosted solution other institutions are > implementing. Overall, it works okay, but Recognition Server is far more > robust in terms of speed and recovery from corrupted PDF documents. > > When we built SCRIBE, FineReader Corporate Edition was the only viable > option for us as Recognition Server was too expensive. Every so often I do > have to go and restart the Abbyy Corporate Edition application on our > system as a corrupted PDF file will stop the automatic processing and, from > what I can tell, this does not happen with Recognition Server (on the other > hand, you don't suffer quite as many heart attacks from the RS > pricing). Getting access to Recognition Server is far better for overall > reliability. > > I am not too concerned about the future of the Robobraille/SensusAccess > portal as there is too much investment by other entities around the world > to let it expire. As Joshua mentioned, I also suggest the system for users > once they leave the institutional environment and believe this resource > will continue until something better comes along. > > Take care, > sean > > > On Nov 19, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Joshua Hori wrote: > > Hello everyone! > > > > Along with UC Irvine, UC Davis has also purchased a hosted license of > SensusAccess to be used by faculty, students, or staff using a UCDavis > email addresses. This is to ensure that our students can provide their own > conversions if needed and to support development. Currently, SensusAccess > is paid by European governments for European students. When the > SensusAccess group came to the US Government for funding, they were told to > request funds from institutions instead. > > > > *So, what do I get with my license?* > > I get an iframe to add to one of my web pages which allows students to > submit a file from their computer (default on SA?s main page), or I have > the ability to post a file via URL (non-authentication), or I can copy and > paste text into a textbox for conversion. > > > > I also get the ability to request features to be implemented. One feature > that was implemented at our request was the ability to have files available > as download links instead of being attached to emails. This was due to some > documents being too large (over 30M) for some email systems, to which they > added code to recognize file size limitations and send users a link instead > of an attachment. Technical issues are usually resolved via email within an > hour as well. > > > > A benefit is that I don?t have to pay for that outrageous pricetag that > ABBYY recognition server was requesting, which increased depending on how > many cores you plan on using within your processor (look underneath my > signature for the quotes I was given?). I also don?t have to pay, or > maintain, a server, or have to worry about the setup, licensing, or > maintenance of all the programs needed for the conversion process. (MS > Office, *OpenOffice*, *Calibre*, *DAISY Pipeline*, NeoSpeech voices, > Mailserver, FTP, RoboBraille, and all the plug-ins and specialized > software). There is a slight difference between ABBYY Pro, which I believe > SCRIBE is using, and ABBYY recognition server, which is what SA is using. > > > > I instruct our students on how to use the UC Davis hosted service for > their needs, and that they can continue to use the open SensusAccess portal > for conversions after higher ed. If this service dies after a few years, > then all my plans to support my students after higher ed vanishes as well. > NOT GOOD. > > > > Sorry, I went full nerd on everyone. I know?I?m not supposed to go full > nerd, but?I did. > > > > *TL;DR ? Yeah, we pay for the service?and it has its? ups and downs, but > yet?it?s beautiful.* > > Joshua Hori > Accessible Technology Analyst > University of California, Davis > Student Disability Center > > > ABBYY Recognition Server (OCR support) > ? $3,366 for 1 million page conversions, $1,346 annual > maintenance (locked to a single core) > ? $2,993 for 300k page conversions, $1,197 annual maintenance > (locked to a single core) > ? $1,850 for 100k page conversions, $740 annual maintenance > (locked to a single core) > ? Dual core license: $12k, $4,800 annual maintenance > ? Quad core license: $18k > > o Has the ability to convert 100k pages per night > > Remember?this is just for the OCR software. > > > *From:* athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen- > list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of *James Bailey > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:56 AM > *To:* athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu; > athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Subject:* [Athen] RoboBraille > > > > > > > > Hello all: > > I think the RoboBraille service is great and I tell our Alt-format users > about it. I particularly recommend it for those study sessions when a > picture-only PDF comes off of BlackBoard etc. and a the student needs it > converted quickly to keep working. > > I have received an e-mail or two from them suggesting we (U Oregon) need > an agreement with them. We do not use it at all in our production process. > I simply make students aware of it and the students then use it or not as > individuals. > > > > This is from their web site (it?s cut and paste so any typos are theirs): > > ?RoboBraille is available 24/7 as a self-service solution, it is free of > charge to all individual, non-commercial users and users need not register > in order to use the service. The objective is to support and promote > self-sufficiency of people with special needs socially, throughout the > educational system and on the labour market. As an additional benefit, > RoboBraille helps to protect the privacy of of those who need material in > alternate formats.? > > This seems pretty cut and dried to me. > > If you have a take on this, please share it. > > > > Oh it gets better! > > > > From: Tanja Stevns > > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:10 AM > > To: James Bailey > > Subject: SV: Document conversion > > James, > > The users go through our SensusAccess engine. The requests is coming from > University of Oregon. I am not talking about > > personal private use of individuals using RoboBraille as you are referring > to in this mail. > > Now I have tried to approach this in the best way possible but we will > take action on further ongoing use from > > universities who do not wish to make an agreement with us. > > Have a nice day, > > Tanja > > > > My take on this is that they are seeing our student e-mail accounts as > being the University of Oregon. > > > > As Tanja says, ?Have a nice day? > > > > James > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, the flash player security dialogs (for instance for enabling microphone or webcam access) as needed to participate in web conferences (like by using Adobe Connect) are also inaccessible to screen-reader users. This effectively nullifies any efforts Adobe has made to make their Connect product accessible to all but the most passive of participants. Recently our users could not even login to view recorded sessions because the login page's controls were contained inside a div that mysteriously had an aria-hidden="true" attribute applied to them. This caused the login form to be rendered invisible to AT users. Luckily Adobe responded quickly, however for several days our students could not access the system independently. As usual, many of the accessibility issues seem to those of us with accessibility knowledge as if they would be easy to fix (appropriate use of ARIA, labeling buttons, etc.). If Adobe performed any user testing, informed QA testing, or had experienced accessibility staff these issues should be caught and fixed rather quickly. It appears as if the fixes could be made without affecting the design or functionality for non-AT users at all. Sincerely, Brian Richwine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tft at uw.edu Wed Nov 20 09:16:30 2013 From: tft at uw.edu (Terrill Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: captioning cost In-Reply-To: References: <84A066196BA6E54AB3C51373309B728FE5121DFB@msgdb10.utad.utoledo.edu> Message-ID: Thanks for sharing these prices Joshua. I'm not familiar with Ceilo24 - does that $1/minute rate include transcription (i.e., starting from scratch with the un-transcribed media)? If so, and if they provide good quality work across academic disciplines with specialized vocabularies, that's by far the best price I've seen. In the case of Amara, while $1.25 per minute is a great price, I think there may be a minimum monthly platform usage fee. When I looked into this over the summer the minimum was $1000 per month, although they may be willing to negotiate. There were (I think) three captioning vendors at the Accessing Higher Ground conference a couple weeks ago. They are: 3PlayMedia http://www.3playmedia.com/ DocSoft http://www.docsoft.com/Services/AVS/ ACS http://www.acscaptions.com/subpages/post-production_services.asp Automatic Sync Technologies wasn't an exhibitor at AHG this year, but they were at EDUCAUSE just a couple weeks prior and are also very active in this space: http://automaticsync.com/ I'm not sure about DocSoft and ACS, but both 3PlayMedia and Automatic Sync boast their ability to interface directly with various lecture capture systems. Pricing models I've seen though are considerably higher than the ones Josh quoted, more in the neighborhood of $1.50-$3/minute for full transcription+captioning, varying depending on turnaround time and number of speakers, with volume discounts available. Terrill --- Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology University of Washington tft@uw.edu On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Joshua Hori wrote: > Amanda, > > > > For your consideration: > > Ceilo24 costs $1 per video minute. (also ties into Kaltura, a video hosting > service) > > Amara.org costs $1.25 per video minute. (ceilo24 combines amara into their > service for translation services) > > > > On another note, there is going to be a new announcement from Lighthouse of > the Blind concerning their new tool, YouDescribe. > > > > YouDescribe will allow users to submit youtube and vimeo videos to > YouDescribe and add audio descriptions to videos. Of course this would be > great for the visually disabled, but could also benefit > > > > Joshua Hori > > Accessible Technology Analyst > > University of California, Davis > > Student Disability Center > > > > From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Engle, > Andrea June > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 1:27 PM > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] captioning cost > > > > Does anyone know of any cost effective captioning options for lecture > captures? We are currently looking at options for this on our university. > > > > Thank you, > > Andrea Engle > > Academic Accommodation Specialist > Office of Academic Access > The University of Toledo > 2801 W. Bancroft St. MS#342 > Toledo, OH 43606-3390 > Phone: 419-530-4981 > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > From skeegan at stanford.edu Wed Nov 20 09:54:23 2013 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: RoboBraille In-Reply-To: References: <760A03BD-0674-472A-B13D-8435FFFC0959@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <3CFCDD65-33D0-436D-8B61-CCDD73337D5D@stanford.edu> In terms of quality of the output, I have found that it is based on several parameters, including: 1. quality of the original scan 2. complexity of the material being submitted 3. final document format 4. if the document included accessibility information during authoring process There may be others, but these seem to be the major parts that affect the output quality. For instance, if the intent is to go from an image PDF to a text-based (tagged) PDF and the image scan is poor, then the resulting PDF document will not be that usable for a student. On the other hand, if the original image scan is high-quality and a simple 1-2 column layout, then I have found the output for both the tagged PDF and MS Word format to be very usable for a student. If the document author includes accessibility information into the original document format, then the output can be quite accessible. For example, if the author includes text descriptions for images, heading markup, etc., then the output can be very usable if going to either a DAISY file or a tagged PDF version. Now, where the system breaks down is when you are dealing with formats that do not function well in an automated process, such as math and/or science materials. We point this out to students and let them decide how they may choose to proceed. I want to point out that a system such as this is not intended to replace alternate format production at an institution; rather, the idea is that it can augment such a production facility. There are times a student receives academic materials that are not in the format that works best for their disability needs and the student needs the materials quickly. An automated conversion process that allows a student to submit a file and receive a result in less than an hour offers more independence and faster results than going through a full production process. Further, a student may not be sure they even want to read the full document. We have had students use the automated process to perform a quick document conversion so they may decide if they want to make a request through our production facility. I would also suggest that there is the potentiality for such a system to act as an "accessibility converter" and support the creation of accessible instructional materials from an institutional perspective. Rather than focusing on how to use all the different tools and editors to make an accessible document, I can focus on the authoring techniques that result in accessible versions. I can talk about the benefits of headings, image descriptions, data tables, math content, etc. and then avoid the painful conversation of "here's how you use the Touch-Up Reading Order Tool" in Adobe Acrobat. Instead, I can point the document creators to a reliable conversion tool that, provided they have followed the correct authoring techniques, can result in an accessible versions. There will always be the need for an alt format production facility to provide conversion services for students with print-disabilities. While not perfect, an automated system can provide an alternative to the traditional conversion services and offer students a choice in how they may wish to have their materials processed. So, to provide a long answer to your short question regarding the quality of materials - it depends. Take care, Sean On Nov 20, 2013, at 7:46 AM, Brian Richwine wrote: > Can anyone comment on the quality of the materials produced by the Robobraille/SensusAccess portal? Our students are used to having our editing staff produce fully edited accessible word documents (with appropriate heading structures, page number matching, described images, linearized/described tables, etc.). > > What kind of student satisfaction feedback are you getting? > > Sincerely, > Brian > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Sean Keegan wrote: > To follow-up on Joshua's comment - the SCRIBE system uses Abbyy FineReader Corporate Edition and the reason for this is because we manage the system on-campus vs. the hosted solution other institutions are implementing. Overall, it works okay, but Recognition Server is far more robust in terms of speed and recovery from corrupted PDF documents. > > When we built SCRIBE, FineReader Corporate Edition was the only viable option for us as Recognition Server was too expensive. Every so often I do have to go and restart the Abbyy Corporate Edition application on our system as a corrupted PDF file will stop the automatic processing and, from what I can tell, this does not happen with Recognition Server (on the other hand, you don't suffer quite as many heart attacks from the RS pricing). Getting access to Recognition Server is far better for overall reliability. > > I am not too concerned about the future of the Robobraille/SensusAccess portal as there is too much investment by other entities around the world to let it expire. As Joshua mentioned, I also suggest the system for users once they leave the institutional environment and believe this resource will continue until something better comes along. > > Take care, > sean > > > On Nov 19, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Joshua Hori wrote: > >> Hello everyone! >> >> Along with UC Irvine, UC Davis has also purchased a hosted license of SensusAccess to be used by faculty, students, or staff using a UCDavis email addresses. This is to ensure that our students can provide their own conversions if needed and to support development. Currently, SensusAccess is paid by European governments for European students. When the SensusAccess group came to the US Government for funding, they were told to request funds from institutions instead. >> >> So, what do I get with my license? >> I get an iframe to add to one of my web pages which allows students to submit a file from their computer (default on SA?s main page), or I have the ability to post a file via URL (non-authentication), or I can copy and paste text into a textbox for conversion. >> >> I also get the ability to request features to be implemented. One feature that was implemented at our request was the ability to have files available as download links instead of being attached to emails. This was due to some documents being too large (over 30M) for some email systems, to which they added code to recognize file size limitations and send users a link instead of an attachment. Technical issues are usually resolved via email within an hour as well. >> >> A benefit is that I don?t have to pay for that outrageous pricetag that ABBYY recognition server was requesting, which increased depending on how many cores you plan on using within your processor (look underneath my signature for the quotes I was given?). I also don?t have to pay, or maintain, a server, or have to worry about the setup, licensing, or maintenance of all the programs needed for the conversion process. (MS Office, OpenOffice, Calibre, DAISY Pipeline, NeoSpeech voices, Mailserver, FTP, RoboBraille, and all the plug-ins and specialized software). There is a slight difference between ABBYY Pro, which I believe SCRIBE is using, and ABBYY recognition server, which is what SA is using. >> >> I instruct our students on how to use the UC Davis hosted service for their needs, and that they can continue to use the open SensusAccess portal for conversions after higher ed. If this service dies after a few years, then all my plans to support my students after higher ed vanishes as well. NOT GOOD. >> >> Sorry, I went full nerd on everyone. I know?I?m not supposed to go full nerd, but?I did. >> >> TL;DR ? Yeah, we pay for the service?and it has its? ups and downs, but yet?it?s beautiful. >> >> Joshua Hori >> Accessible Technology Analyst >> University of California, Davis >> Student Disability Center >> >> ABBYY Recognition Server (OCR support) >> ? $3,366 for 1 million page conversions, $1,346 annual maintenance (locked to a single core) >> ? $2,993 for 300k page conversions, $1,197 annual maintenance (locked to a single core) >> ? $1,850 for 100k page conversions, $740 annual maintenance (locked to a single core) >> ? Dual core license: $12k, $4,800 annual maintenance >> ? Quad core license: $18k >> o Has the ability to convert 100k pages per night >> >> Remember?this is just for the OCR software. >> >> From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of James Bailey >> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:56 AM >> To: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu >> Subject: [Athen] RoboBraille >> >> >> >> Hello all: >> I think the RoboBraille service is great and I tell our Alt-format users about it. I particularly recommend it for those study sessions when a picture-only PDF comes off of BlackBoard etc. and a the student needs it converted quickly to keep working. >> I have received an e-mail or two from them suggesting we (U Oregon) need an agreement with them. We do not use it at all in our production process. I simply make students aware of it and the students then use it or not as individuals. >> >> This is from their web site (it?s cut and paste so any typos are theirs): >> ?RoboBraille is available 24/7 as a self-service solution, it is free of charge to all individual, non-commercial users and users need not register in order to use the service. The objective is to support and promote self-sufficiency of people with special needs socially, throughout the educational system and on the labour market. As an additional benefit, RoboBraille helps to protect the privacy of of those who need material in alternate formats.? >> This seems pretty cut and dried to me. >> If you have a take on this, please share it. >> >> Oh it gets better! >> >> From: Tanja Stevns >> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:10 AM >> To: James Bailey >> Subject: SV: Document conversion >> James, >> The users go through our SensusAccess engine. The requests is coming from University of Oregon. I am not talking about >> personal private use of individuals using RoboBraille as you are referring to in this mail. >> Now I have tried to approach this in the best way possible but we will take action on further ongoing use from >> universities who do not wish to make an agreement with us. >> Have a nice day, >> Tanja >> >> My take on this is that they are seeing our student e-mail accounts as being the University of Oregon. >> >> As Tanja says, ?Have a nice day? >> >> James >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnorwich at bu.edu Wed Nov 20 10:08:05 2013 From: lnorwich at bu.edu (Norwich, Lorraine S) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] J say and Blackboard In-Reply-To: <001701cee5fd$961ca7b0$c255f710$@ngtvoice.com> References: <9CD7975AD546754DBA3B21EC09D0882E59A39756@IST-EX10MBX-4.ad.bu.edu> <001701cee5fd$961ca7b0$c255f710$@ngtvoice.com> Message-ID: <9CD7975AD546754DBA3B21EC09D0882E59A3B6D7@IST-EX10MBX-4.ad.bu.edu> Ed Thanks, would you be able to share the Jsay list serv information with me, or any other resources for a student Thanks Lorraine From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ed. Rosenthal Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:34 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'; athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu Cc: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: RE: [Athen] J say and Blackboard Lorraine- coincidentally this posting was on the JSay Listsrv two days ago: Hi Stephen, I am currently using Blackboard 9.0 here in the United Kingdom with Jaws 13, J say 10 and Dragon Naturally Speaking 11.5 and have very few problems with it. Regards Paul J.E. Smith 70 Moorsfield Chilton Moor Houghton le Spring DH4 5PG Tel: 0191 385 6356 From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Norwich, Lorraine S Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 7:58 AM To: athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu Cc: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: [Athen] J say and Blackboard Hi I have a distance education student who is both blind and a one handed keyboard user. She has managed up till now to work with Jaws but working with Blackboard 9 for her LMS, has become a lot more challenging to her. I think that she may do well with J say but have had no experience with it. Does anyone else? Questions: 1. Does anyone have experience with J say and Blackboard 2. Any thoughts other than J say for a jaws user with manual dexterity issues. Thanks Lorraine Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability Services Boston University 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd Floor Boston, MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability (website) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rosenthal Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:34 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'; athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu Cc: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: RE: [Athen] J say and Blackboard Lorraine- coincidentally this posting was on the JSay Listsrv two days ago: Hi Stephen, I am currently using Blackboard 9.0 here in the United Kingdom with Jaws 13, J say 10 and Dragon Naturally Speaking 11.5 and have very few problems with it. Regards Paul J.E. Smith 70 Moorsfield Chilton Moor Houghton le Spring DH4 5PG Tel: 0191 385 6356 From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Norwich, Lorraine S Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 7:58 AM To: athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu Cc: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: [Athen] J say and Blackboard Hi I have a distance education student who is both blind and a one handed keyboard user. She has managed up till now to work with Jaws but working with Blackboard 9 for her LMS, has become a lot more challenging to her. I think that she may do well with J say but have had no experience with it. Does anyone else? Questions: 1. Does anyone have experience with J say and Blackboard 2. Any thoughts other than J say for a jaws user with manual dexterity issues. Thanks Lorraine Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability Services Boston University 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd Floor Boston, MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability (website) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blrichwine at gmail.com Wed Nov 20 10:34:55 2013 From: blrichwine at gmail.com (Brian Richwine) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: RoboBraille In-Reply-To: <3CFCDD65-33D0-436D-8B61-CCDD73337D5D@stanford.edu> References: <760A03BD-0674-472A-B13D-8435FFFC0959@stanford.edu> <3CFCDD65-33D0-436D-8B61-CCDD73337D5D@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Thanks Sean, very thoughtful and complete reply as always. I see that the robobraille website has resources that might answer most of my questions. When you talk about using the system as a reliable conversion tool, what is the source document format that you recommend content authors start with? Thanks, Brian On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Sean Keegan wrote: > In terms of quality of the output, I have found that it is based on > several parameters, including: > > 1. quality of the original scan > 2. complexity of the material being submitted > 3. final document format > 4. if the document included accessibility information during authoring > process > > There may be others, but these seem to be the major parts that affect the > output quality. > > For instance, if the intent is to go from an image PDF to a text-based > (tagged) PDF and the image scan is poor, then the resulting PDF document > will not be that usable for a student. On the other hand, if the original > image scan is high-quality and a simple 1-2 column layout, then I have > found the output for both the tagged PDF and MS Word format to be very > usable for a student. > > If the document author includes accessibility information into the > original document format, then the output can be quite accessible. For > example, if the author includes text descriptions for images, heading > markup, etc., then the output can be very usable if going to either a DAISY > file or a tagged PDF version. > > Now, where the system breaks down is when you are dealing with formats > that do not function well in an automated process, such as math and/or > science materials. We point this out to students and let them decide how > they may choose to proceed. > > I want to point out that a system such as this is not intended to replace > alternate format production at an institution; rather, the idea is that it > can augment such a production facility. There are times a student receives > academic materials that are not in the format that works best for their > disability needs and the student needs the materials quickly. An automated > conversion process that allows a student to submit a file and receive a > result in less than an hour offers more independence and faster results > than going through a full production process. Further, a student may not be > sure they even want to read the full document. We have had students use the > automated process to perform a quick document conversion so they may decide > if they want to make a request through our production facility. > > I would also suggest that there is the potentiality for such a system to > act as an "accessibility converter" and support the creation of accessible > instructional materials from an institutional perspective. Rather than > focusing on how to use all the different tools and editors to make an > accessible document, I can focus on the authoring techniques that result in > accessible versions. I can talk about the benefits of headings, image > descriptions, data tables, math content, etc. and then avoid the painful > conversation of "here's how you use the Touch-Up Reading Order Tool" in > Adobe Acrobat. Instead, I can point the document creators to a reliable > conversion tool that, provided they have followed the correct authoring > techniques, can result in an accessible versions. > > There will always be the need for an alt format production facility to > provide conversion services for students with print-disabilities. While not > perfect, an automated system can provide an alternative to the traditional > conversion services and offer students a choice in how they may wish to > have their materials processed. > > So, to provide a long answer to your short question regarding the quality > of materials - it depends. > > Take care, > Sean > > > On Nov 20, 2013, at 7:46 AM, Brian Richwine wrote: > > Can anyone comment on the quality of the materials produced by the > Robobraille/SensusAccess portal? Our students are used to having our > editing staff produce fully edited accessible word documents (with > appropriate heading structures, page number matching, described images, > linearized/described tables, etc.). > > What kind of student satisfaction feedback are you getting? > > Sincerely, > Brian > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Sean Keegan wrote: > >> To follow-up on Joshua's comment - the SCRIBE system uses Abbyy >> FineReader Corporate Edition and the reason for this is because we manage >> the system on-campus vs. the hosted solution other institutions are >> implementing. Overall, it works okay, but Recognition Server is far more >> robust in terms of speed and recovery from corrupted PDF documents. >> >> When we built SCRIBE, FineReader Corporate Edition was the only viable >> option for us as Recognition Server was too expensive. Every so often I do >> have to go and restart the Abbyy Corporate Edition application on our >> system as a corrupted PDF file will stop the automatic processing and, from >> what I can tell, this does not happen with Recognition Server (on the other >> hand, you don't suffer quite as many heart attacks from the RS >> pricing). Getting access to Recognition Server is far better for overall >> reliability. >> >> I am not too concerned about the future of the Robobraille/SensusAccess >> portal as there is too much investment by other entities around the world >> to let it expire. As Joshua mentioned, I also suggest the system for users >> once they leave the institutional environment and believe this resource >> will continue until something better comes along. >> >> Take care, >> sean >> >> >> On Nov 19, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Joshua Hori wrote: >> >> Hello everyone! >> >> >> Along with UC Irvine, UC Davis has also purchased a hosted license of >> SensusAccess to be used by faculty, students, or staff using a UCDavis >> email addresses. This is to ensure that our students can provide their own >> conversions if needed and to support development. Currently, SensusAccess >> is paid by European governments for European students. When the >> SensusAccess group came to the US Government for funding, they were told to >> request funds from institutions instead. >> >> >> *So, what do I get with my license?* >> >> I get an iframe to add to one of my web pages which allows students to >> submit a file from their computer (default on SA?s main page), or I have >> the ability to post a file via URL (non-authentication), or I can copy and >> paste text into a textbox for conversion. >> >> >> I also get the ability to request features to be implemented. One feature >> that was implemented at our request was the ability to have files available >> as download links instead of being attached to emails. This was due to some >> documents being too large (over 30M) for some email systems, to which they >> added code to recognize file size limitations and send users a link instead >> of an attachment. Technical issues are usually resolved via email within an >> hour as well. >> >> >> A benefit is that I don?t have to pay for that outrageous pricetag that >> ABBYY recognition server was requesting, which increased depending on how >> many cores you plan on using within your processor (look underneath my >> signature for the quotes I was given?). I also don?t have to pay, or >> maintain, a server, or have to worry about the setup, licensing, or >> maintenance of all the programs needed for the conversion process. (MS >> Office, *OpenOffice*, *Calibre*, *DAISY Pipeline*, NeoSpeech voices, >> Mailserver, FTP, RoboBraille, and all the plug-ins and specialized >> software). There is a slight difference between ABBYY Pro, which I believe >> SCRIBE is using, and ABBYY recognition server, which is what SA is using. >> >> >> I instruct our students on how to use the UC Davis hosted service for >> their needs, and that they can continue to use the open SensusAccess portal >> for conversions after higher ed. If this service dies after a few years, >> then all my plans to support my students after higher ed vanishes as well. >> NOT GOOD. >> >> >> Sorry, I went full nerd on everyone. I know?I?m not supposed to go full >> nerd, but?I did. >> >> >> *TL;DR ? Yeah, we pay for the service?and it has its? ups and downs, but >> yet?it?s beautiful.* >> >> Joshua Hori >> Accessible Technology Analyst >> University of California, Davis >> Student Disability Center >> >> >> ABBYY Recognition Server (OCR support) >> ? $3,366 for 1 million page conversions, $1,346 annual >> maintenance (locked to a single core) >> ? $2,993 for 300k page conversions, $1,197 annual maintenance >> (locked to a single core) >> ? $1,850 for 100k page conversions, $740 annual maintenance >> (locked to a single core) >> ? Dual core license: $12k, $4,800 annual maintenance >> ? Quad core license: $18k >> >> o Has the ability to convert 100k pages per night >> >> Remember?this is just for the OCR software. >> >> *From:* athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen- >> list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of *James Bailey >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:56 AM >> *To:* athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu; >> athen-list@u.washington.edu >> *Subject:* [Athen] RoboBraille >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello all: >> >> I think the RoboBraille service is great and I tell our Alt-format users >> about it. I particularly recommend it for those study sessions when a >> picture-only PDF comes off of BlackBoard etc. and a the student needs it >> converted quickly to keep working. >> >> I have received an e-mail or two from them suggesting we (U Oregon) need >> an agreement with them. We do not use it at all in our production process. >> I simply make students aware of it and the students then use it or not as >> individuals. >> >> >> >> This is from their web site (it?s cut and paste so any typos are theirs): >> >> ?RoboBraille is available 24/7 as a self-service solution, it is free of >> charge to all individual, non-commercial users and users need not register >> in order to use the service. The objective is to support and promote >> self-sufficiency of people with special needs socially, throughout the >> educational system and on the labour market. As an additional benefit, >> RoboBraille helps to protect the privacy of of those who need material in >> alternate formats.? >> >> This seems pretty cut and dried to me. >> >> If you have a take on this, please share it. >> >> >> >> Oh it gets better! >> >> >> >> From: Tanja Stevns >> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:10 AM >> >> To: James Bailey >> >> Subject: SV: Document conversion >> >> James, >> >> The users go through our SensusAccess engine. The requests is coming from >> University of Oregon. I am not talking about >> >> personal private use of individuals using RoboBraille as you are >> referring to in this mail. >> >> Now I have tried to approach this in the best way possible but we will >> take action on further ongoing use from >> >> universities who do not wish to make an agreement with us. >> >> Have a nice day, >> >> Tanja >> >> >> >> My take on this is that they are seeing our student e-mail accounts as >> being the University of Oregon. >> >> >> >> As Tanja says, ?Have a nice day? >> >> >> >> James >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One colleague called it the Battleship system because it reminded her of playing the old game. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hascherdss at gmail.com Wed Nov 20 12:34:14 2013 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] communication systems for DHH In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A696729@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A696729@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: Hi Robert! So sorry we didn't catch up at Accessing Higher Ground! For labs and tutoring sessions, we use either interpreters or TypeWell transcription to ensure that communication is clear and concise. (You know the problems of voice recognition and the trouble it can get a user into!) While a tutor and student could use two computers to communicate, using interpreters or transcription makes the process flow much better and more can actually be accomplished during the limited time they have together. As for the dual computers for communication, you may be thinking of UbiDuo. But really just two netbooks with chat set up could serve the same purpose. Hope you're doing well! Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director --- Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas --- ARKU 104 --- Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 ph --- 479.575.7445 fax --- 479.575.3646 tdd +++++++++++++++ StrengthQuest Talent Themes: Learner, Input, Maximizer, Intellection, Arranger This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender by reply email and delete the message. Your cooperation is appreciated. +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 479.575.7445 fax 479.575.3646 tdd +++++++++++++++ On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Robert Beach wrote: > Hello all, > > > > We are looking for a communication system that can be used by an > instructor or tutor to interact with a deaf student. We are using > interpreters for class lectures, but would like to explore other options > for lab/tutoring sessions. Does anybody have any good system they would > recommend? > > > > I would like to know if there are any mobile device apps that could be > used for two-way text communication other than just texting. Also, we > used to have a system that had two keyboards and displays. A person would > sit on one side and type their message to the other person and it would > show on both displays. Unfortunately, none of us can remember what it was > called. One colleague called it the Battleship system because it reminded > her of playing the old game. > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > > > Robert Lee Beach > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Kansas City Kansas Community College > > 7250 State Avenue > > Kansas City, KS 66112 > > 913-288-7671 > > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nettiet at gmail.com Wed Nov 20 12:55:28 2013 From: nettiet at gmail.com (Nettie Fischer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] communication systems for DHH In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A696729@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A696729@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: It was a Lightwriter; small, lightweight and the text is clearly visible with the option to have it used for audio output. I beleive it was produce by Toby Churchill [image: Inline image 1] Nettie's nickel On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Robert Beach wrote: > Hello all, > > > > We are looking for a communication system that can be used by an > instructor or tutor to interact with a deaf student. We are using > interpreters for class lectures, but would like to explore other options > for lab/tutoring sessions. Does anybody have any good system they would > recommend? > > > > I would like to know if there are any mobile device apps that could be > used for two-way text communication other than just texting. Also, we > used to have a system that had two keyboards and displays. A person would > sit on one side and type their message to the other person and it would > show on both displays. Unfortunately, none of us can remember what it was > called. One colleague called it the Battleship system because it reminded > her of playing the old game. > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > > > Robert Lee Beach > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Kansas City Kansas Community College > > 7250 State Avenue > > Kansas City, KS 66112 > > 913-288-7671 > > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- *Nettie T. Fischer, ATPAssistive Technology Professional* *RESNA Certified* *California Certified NPA Nettiet, ATP Consultantswww.nettietatpconsultants.com * *[916] 686-1860 FAX(916) 704-1456 Cell* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 94468 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ea at emptech.info Wed Nov 20 13:52:29 2013 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A.Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] communication systems for DHH In-Reply-To: References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A696729@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <008201cee63a$d1dbfcf0$7593f6d0$@emptech.info> Have you thought of the UbiDuo specially designed for the deaf http://www.microlinkpc.com/shop/108-ubi-duo-wireless.html Lightwriters are a little more expensive http://www.toby-churchill.com/products/price-list/ Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103 http://access.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Nettie Fischer Sent: 20 November 2013 20:55 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] communication systems for DHH It was a Lightwriter; small, lightweight and the text is clearly visible with the option to have it used for audio output. I beleive it was produce by Toby Churchill Inline image 1 Nettie's nickel On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Robert Beach wrote: Hello all, We are looking for a communication system that can be used by an instructor or tutor to interact with a deaf student. We are using interpreters for class lectures, but would like to explore other options for lab/tutoring sessions. Does anybody have any good system they would recommend? I would like to know if there are any mobile device apps that could be used for two-way text communication other than just texting. Also, we used to have a system that had two keyboards and displays. A person would sit on one side and type their message to the other person and it would show on both displays. Unfortunately, none of us can remember what it was called. One colleague called it the Battleship system because it reminded her of playing the old game. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Professional RESNA Certified California Certified NPA Nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 686-1860 FAX (916) 704-1456 Cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 94468 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ea at emptech.info Wed Nov 20 13:57:12 2013 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A.Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:25 2018 Subject: FW: [Athen] communication systems for DHH References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A696729@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <008801cee63b$7851f8a0$68f5e9e0$@emptech.info> OOPs so sorry forgot to give you USA suppliers. UbiDuo http://www.scomm.com/products/ubiduo Lightwriter http://www.dynavoxtech.com/products/lightwriterSL40_Connect/ Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103 http://access.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info From: E.A.Draffan [mailto:ea@emptech.info] Sent: 20 November 2013 21:52 To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] communication systems for DHH Have you thought of the UbiDuo specially designed for the deaf http://www.microlinkpc.com/shop/108-ubi-duo-wireless.html Lightwriters are a little more expensive http://www.toby-churchill.com/products/price-list/ Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103 http://access.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Nettie Fischer Sent: 20 November 2013 20:55 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] communication systems for DHH It was a Lightwriter; small, lightweight and the text is clearly visible with the option to have it used for audio output. I beleive it was produce by Toby Churchill Inline image 1 Nettie's nickel On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Robert Beach wrote: Hello all, We are looking for a communication system that can be used by an instructor or tutor to interact with a deaf student. We are using interpreters for class lectures, but would like to explore other options for lab/tutoring sessions. Does anybody have any good system they would recommend? I would like to know if there are any mobile device apps that could be used for two-way text communication other than just texting. Also, we used to have a system that had two keyboards and displays. A person would sit on one side and type their message to the other person and it would show on both displays. Unfortunately, none of us can remember what it was called. One colleague called it the Battleship system because it reminded her of playing the old game. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Professional RESNA Certified California Certified NPA Nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 686-1860 FAX (916) 704-1456 Cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 94468 bytes Desc: not available URL: From CUTLER_ELLEN at smc.edu Wed Nov 20 15:25:57 2013 From: CUTLER_ELLEN at smc.edu (CUTLER_ELLEN) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] RE: communication systems for DHH In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A696729@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A696729@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <5364E0CD2CC8434AB1232CDD7E70296220547F01@SRI.smc.edu> Robert, I believe you are thinking of Ubi duo. Best, Ellen Ellen Cutler Santa Monica College Disabled Student Services High Tech Training Center 1900 Pico Blvd. Santa Monica, CA 90405 310.434-4496 cutler_ellen@smc.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:20 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] communication systems for DHH Hello all, We are looking for a communication system that can be used by an instructor or tutor to interact with a deaf student. We are using interpreters for class lectures, but would like to explore other options for lab/tutoring sessions. Does anybody have any good system they would recommend? I would like to know if there are any mobile device apps that could be used for two-way text communication other than just texting. Also, we used to have a system that had two keyboards and displays. A person would sit on one side and type their message to the other person and it would show on both displays. Unfortunately, none of us can remember what it was called. One colleague called it the Battleship system because it reminded her of playing the old game. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at stanford.edu Wed Nov 20 16:44:58 2013 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] RoboBraille In-Reply-To: References: <760A03BD-0674-472A-B13D-8435FFFC0959@stanford.edu> <3CFCDD65-33D0-436D-8B61-CCDD73337D5D@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <41F77147-1FB6-48F6-A313-77F61B7B368B@stanford.edu> > When you talk about using the system as a reliable conversion tool, what is the source > document format that you recommend content authors start with? Right now, I am suggesting that document authors start with MS Word (as docx). From this, our SCRIBE tool can go to several different file formats and maintain the accessibility information. For example, if starting from a docx file, the system can support conversions to: 1. full-text/full-audio DAISY and text-only DAISY 2. ePub 3, with MathML rendering 3. tagged PDF 4. braille (just the text) The system will also support PPTX to tagged PDF and will retain the accessibility information, such as image descriptions, heading information, etc. Most of these same features are available in the Robobraille/Sensus Access tool as well, except for the ePub 3 conversion - that will be ported over soon. I would like to be able to support other input formats, including OpenOffice and LaTeX files, but that will have to come along when we have sufficient funding. Does this help with all formats and file types used in higher education? No, but it can address some of the more commonly used applications and I think that is a good place to start. For content authors who are dealing with more technical applications (e.g., Adobe InDesign, etc.), then that will require a different conversation to address accessible authoring techniques. I have also put together a short "how to" tutorial that reviews basic accessible MS Word authoring techniques. Feedback is welcome: http://scribe.stanford.edu/msword.html Take care, Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Thu Nov 21 06:31:16 2013 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] communication systems for DHH In-Reply-To: <008801cee63b$7851f8a0$68f5e9e0$@emptech.info> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A696729@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <008801cee63b$7851f8a0$68f5e9e0$@emptech.info> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6968A9@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Thanks to all who replied. I'll do some more research and see what we come up with. If I have any more questions, be assured I will yell again. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of E.A.Draffan Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 3:57 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: FW: [Athen] communication systems for DHH OOPs so sorry forgot to give you USA suppliers. UbiDuo http://www.scomm.com/products/ubiduo Lightwriter http://www.dynavoxtech.com/products/lightwriterSL40_Connect/ Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103 http://access.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info From: E.A.Draffan [mailto:ea@emptech.info] Sent: 20 November 2013 21:52 To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] communication systems for DHH Have you thought of the UbiDuo specially designed for the deaf http://www.microlinkpc.com/shop/108-ubi-duo-wireless.html Lightwriters are a little more expensive http://www.toby-churchill.com/products/price-list/ Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103 http://access.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Nettie Fischer Sent: 20 November 2013 20:55 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] communication systems for DHH It was a Lightwriter; small, lightweight and the text is clearly visible with the option to have it used for audio output. I beleive it was produce by Toby Churchill [Inline image 1] Nettie's nickel On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Robert Beach > wrote: Hello all, We are looking for a communication system that can be used by an instructor or tutor to interact with a deaf student. We are using interpreters for class lectures, but would like to explore other options for lab/tutoring sessions. Does anybody have any good system they would recommend? I would like to know if there are any mobile device apps that could be used for two-way text communication other than just texting. Also, we used to have a system that had two keyboards and displays. A person would sit on one side and type their message to the other person and it would show on both displays. Unfortunately, none of us can remember what it was called. One colleague called it the Battleship system because it reminded her of playing the old game. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Nettie T. 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Today's Topics: 1. communication systems for DHH (Robert Beach) 2. Re: communication systems for DHH (Heidi Scher) 3. Re: communication systems for DHH (Nettie Fischer) 4. RE: communication systems for DHH (E.A.Draffan) 5. FW: [Athen] communication systems for DHH (E.A.Draffan) 6. RE: communication systems for DHH (CUTLER_ELLEN) 7. Re: RE: [Athen] RoboBraille (Sean Keegan) 8. RE: communication systems for DHH (Robert Beach) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 20:19:34 +0000 From: Robert Beach Subject: [Athen] communication systems for DHH To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu)" Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A696729@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello all, We are looking for a communication system that can be used by an instructor or tutor to interact with a deaf student. We are using interpreters for class lectures, but would like to explore other options for lab/tutoring sessions. Does anybody have any good system they would recommend? I would like to know if there are any mobile device apps that could be used for two-way text communication other than just texting. Also, we used to have a system that had two keyboards and displays. A person would sit on one side and type their message to the other person and it would show on both displays. Unfortunately, none of us can remember what it was called. One colleague called it the Battleship system because it reminded her of playing the old game. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20131120/76d7e1cc/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 14:34:14 -0600 From: Heidi Scher Subject: Re: [Athen] communication systems for DHH To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Robert! So sorry we didn't catch up at Accessing Higher Ground! For labs and tutoring sessions, we use either interpreters or TypeWell transcription to ensure that communication is clear and concise. (You know the problems of voice recognition and the trouble it can get a user into!) While a tutor and student could use two computers to communicate, using interpreters or transcription makes the process flow much better and more can actually be accomplished during the limited time they have together. As for the dual computers for communication, you may be thinking of UbiDuo. But really just two netbooks with chat set up could serve the same purpose. Hope you're doing well! Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director --- Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas --- ARKU 104 --- Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 ph --- 479.575.7445 fax --- 479.575.3646 tdd +++++++++++++++ StrengthQuest Talent Themes: Learner, Input, Maximizer, Intellection, Arranger This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender by reply email and delete the message. Your cooperation is appreciated. +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas ARKU 104 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 479.575.7445 fax 479.575.3646 tdd +++++++++++++++ On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Robert Beach wrote: > Hello all, > > > > We are looking for a communication system that can be used by an > instructor or tutor to interact with a deaf student. We are using > interpreters for class lectures, but would like to explore other > options for lab/tutoring sessions. Does anybody have any good system > they would recommend? > > > > I would like to know if there are any mobile device apps that could be > used for two-way text communication other than just texting. Also, > we used to have a system that had two keyboards and displays. A > person would sit on one side and type their message to the other > person and it would show on both displays. Unfortunately, none of us > can remember what it was called. One colleague called it the > Battleship system because it reminded her of playing the old game. > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > > > Robert Lee Beach > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Kansas City Kansas Community College > > 7250 State Avenue > > Kansas City, KS 66112 > > 913-288-7671 > > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20131120/4d5889d4/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:55:28 -0800 From: Nettie Fischer Subject: Re: [Athen] communication systems for DHH To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It was a Lightwriter; small, lightweight and the text is clearly visible with the option to have it used for audio output. I beleive it was produce by Toby Churchill [image: Inline image 1] Nettie's nickel On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Robert Beach wrote: > Hello all, > > > > We are looking for a communication system that can be used by an > instructor or tutor to interact with a deaf student. We are using > interpreters for class lectures, but would like to explore other > options for lab/tutoring sessions. Does anybody have any good system > they would recommend? > > > > I would like to know if there are any mobile device apps that could be > used for two-way text communication other than just texting. Also, > we used to have a system that had two keyboards and displays. A > person would sit on one side and type their message to the other > person and it would show on both displays. Unfortunately, none of us > can remember what it was called. One colleague called it the > Battleship system because it reminded her of playing the old game. > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > > > Robert Lee Beach > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Kansas City Kansas Community College > > 7250 State Avenue > > Kansas City, KS 66112 > > 913-288-7671 > > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu > http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- *Nettie T. 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Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 94468 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20131120/8cb5df74/attachment-0001.png ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 21:52:29 -0000 From: "E.A.Draffan" Subject: RE: [Athen] communication systems for DHH To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <008201cee63a$d1dbfcf0$7593f6d0$@emptech.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Have you thought of the UbiDuo specially designed for the deaf http://www.microlinkpc.com/shop/108-ubi-duo-wireless.html Lightwriters are a little more expensive http://www.toby-churchill.com/products/price-list/ Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103 http://access.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Nettie Fischer Sent: 20 November 2013 20:55 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] communication systems for DHH It was a Lightwriter; small, lightweight and the text is clearly visible with the option to have it used for audio output. I beleive it was produce by Toby Churchill Inline image 1 Nettie's nickel On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Robert Beach wrote: Hello all, We are looking for a communication system that can be used by an instructor or tutor to interact with a deaf student. We are using interpreters for class lectures, but would like to explore other options for lab/tutoring sessions. Does anybody have any good system they would recommend? I would like to know if there are any mobile device apps that could be used for two-way text communication other than just texting. Also, we used to have a system that had two keyboards and displays. A person would sit on one side and type their message to the other person and it would show on both displays. Unfortunately, none of us can remember what it was called. One colleague called it the Battleship system because it reminded her of playing the old game. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Professional RESNA Certified California Certified NPA Nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 686-1860 FAX (916) 704-1456 Cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20131120/353fb676/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 94468 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20131120/353fb676/attachment-0001.png ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 21:57:12 -0000 From: "E.A.Draffan" Subject: FW: [Athen] communication systems for DHH To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <008801cee63b$7851f8a0$68f5e9e0$@emptech.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" OOPs so sorry forgot to give you USA suppliers. UbiDuo http://www.scomm.com/products/ubiduo Lightwriter http://www.dynavoxtech.com/products/lightwriterSL40_Connect/ Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103 http://access.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info From: E.A.Draffan [mailto:ea@emptech.info] Sent: 20 November 2013 21:52 To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] communication systems for DHH Have you thought of the UbiDuo specially designed for the deaf http://www.microlinkpc.com/shop/108-ubi-duo-wireless.html Lightwriters are a little more expensive http://www.toby-churchill.com/products/price-list/ Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103 http://access.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Nettie Fischer Sent: 20 November 2013 20:55 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] communication systems for DHH It was a Lightwriter; small, lightweight and the text is clearly visible with the option to have it used for audio output. I beleive it was produce by Toby Churchill Inline image 1 Nettie's nickel On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Robert Beach wrote: Hello all, We are looking for a communication system that can be used by an instructor or tutor to interact with a deaf student. We are using interpreters for class lectures, but would like to explore other options for lab/tutoring sessions. Does anybody have any good system they would recommend? I would like to know if there are any mobile device apps that could be used for two-way text communication other than just texting. Also, we used to have a system that had two keyboards and displays. A person would sit on one side and type their message to the other person and it would show on both displays. Unfortunately, none of us can remember what it was called. One colleague called it the Battleship system because it reminded her of playing the old game. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Nettie T. Fischer, ATP Assistive Technology Professional RESNA Certified California Certified NPA Nettiet, ATP Consultants www.nettietatpconsultants.com [916] 686-1860 FAX (916) 704-1456 Cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20131120/89ce3dfd/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 94468 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20131120/89ce3dfd/attachment-0001.png ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 23:25:57 +0000 From: CUTLER_ELLEN Subject: [Athen] RE: communication systems for DHH To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" Message-ID: <5364E0CD2CC8434AB1232CDD7E70296220547F01@SRI.smc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Robert, I believe you are thinking of Ubi duo. Best, Ellen Ellen Cutler Santa Monica College Disabled Student Services High Tech Training Center 1900 Pico Blvd. Santa Monica, CA 90405 310.434-4496 cutler_ellen@smc.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:20 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] communication systems for DHH Hello all, We are looking for a communication system that can be used by an instructor or tutor to interact with a deaf student. We are using interpreters for class lectures, but would like to explore other options for lab/tutoring sessions. Does anybody have any good system they would recommend? I would like to know if there are any mobile device apps that could be used for two-way text communication other than just texting. Also, we used to have a system that had two keyboards and displays. A person would sit on one side and type their message to the other person and it would show on both displays. Unfortunately, none of us can remember what it was called. One colleague called it the Battleship system because it reminded her of playing the old game. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, if starting from a docx file, the system can support conversions to: 1. full-text/full-audio DAISY and text-only DAISY 2. ePub 3, with MathML rendering 3. tagged PDF 4. braille (just the text) The system will also support PPTX to tagged PDF and will retain the accessibility information, such as image descriptions, heading information, etc. Most of these same features are available in the Robobraille/Sensus Access tool as well, except for the ePub 3 conversion - that will be ported over soon. I would like to be able to support other input formats, including OpenOffice and LaTeX files, but that will have to come along when we have sufficient funding. Does this help with all formats and file types used in higher education? No, but it can address some of the more commonly used applications and I think that is a good place to start. For content authors who are dealing with more technical applications (e.g., Adobe InDesign, etc.), then that will require a different conversation to address accessible authoring techniques. I have also put together a short "how to" tutorial that reviews basic accessible MS Word authoring techniques. Feedback is welcome: http://scribe.stanford.edu/msword.html Take care, Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20131120/815a1e3e/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:31:16 +0000 From: Robert Beach Subject: RE: [Athen] communication systems for DHH To: "ea@emptech.info" , "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6968A9@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks to all who replied. I'll do some more research and see what we come up with. If I have any more questions, be assured I will yell again. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of E.A.Draffan Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 3:57 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: FW: [Athen] communication systems for DHH OOPs so sorry forgot to give you USA suppliers. UbiDuo http://www.scomm.com/products/ubiduo Lightwriter http://www.dynavoxtech.com/products/lightwriterSL40_Connect/ Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103 http://access.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info From: E.A.Draffan [mailto:ea@emptech.info] Sent: 20 November 2013 21:52 To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] communication systems for DHH Have you thought of the UbiDuo specially designed for the deaf http://www.microlinkpc.com/shop/108-ubi-duo-wireless.html Lightwriters are a little more expensive http://www.toby-churchill.com/products/price-list/ Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103 http://access.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info From: athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Nettie Fischer Sent: 20 November 2013 20:55 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] communication systems for DHH It was a Lightwriter; small, lightweight and the text is clearly visible with the option to have it used for audio output. I beleive it was produce by Toby Churchill [Inline image 1] Nettie's nickel On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Robert Beach > wrote: Hello all, We are looking for a communication system that can be used by an instructor or tutor to interact with a deaf student. We are using interpreters for class lectures, but would like to explore other options for lab/tutoring sessions. Does anybody have any good system they would recommend? I would like to know if there are any mobile device apps that could be used for two-way text communication other than just texting. Also, we used to have a system that had two keyboards and displays. A person would sit on one side and type their message to the other person and it would show on both displays. Unfortunately, none of us can remember what it was called. One colleague called it the Battleship system because it reminded her of playing the old game. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman1.u.washington.edu http://mailman1.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Nettie T. 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He was graduate of UMass Boston where he discovered adaptive technologies and became an early user of screen readers. He loved to program and was a total geek. Joe majored in Physics and refused to take his Vocational Rehab Counselor's advice to run a state subsidized snack stand at an office building. He wanted more as a blind person. He was such an early adopter of assistive technologies that he, his wife Cindy and two other friends started a company called Talking Computers that customized PCs for blind and visually impaired users. Joe went on run the Adaptive Technology Program at the Mass. Commission for the Blind. In his spare time, he loved to write science fiction and was a published author of science fiction. Joe went on to run the Assistive Technology Program for the State of Massachusetts Information Technology Division (ITD) working with vendors and state agencies on increasing accessibility of state technologies and websites for people with disabilities. Joe believed in the power of technology to transform people's lives and helped to provide those technologies so that blind clients could get what they needed to study or work at a job. It's amazing to think about how far things have come since I first started working for Joe in 1988, back in the days of DOS and gigantic cards you had to insert into a PC. He taught me a lot about assistive technologies, about disability and just generally about the human condition. He was a great teacher and a good friend. I will miss him. Thank you for all you did, Joe. Here is the online obituary. http://www.meaningfulfunerals.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=2327730&fh_id=13645 Thanks for reading, Kathy Cahill Assistive Technology Specialist MIT Assistive Technology Information Center (ATIC) 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 kcahill@mit.edu (617) 253-5111 Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norm.coombs at gmail.com Sun Nov 24 22:58:13 2013 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Two EASI Webinars for December Message-ID: <52935fc6.218d3c0a.037b.ffffda66@mx.google.com> Two EASI Webinars for December EASI Webinar: Even Easier Captions with YouTube Mon. Dec. 2 at 11 Pacific, noon Mountain, 1 Central and 2 PM Eastern (standard!) Presenter: Ken Petri With continually improving speech recognition and new tools to assist the captioning process, YouTube has become (if it wasn't already) the DIY captioner's best friend. This one-hour, free webinar will review and demonstrate recent improvements to YouTube's built-in captioning tools. The webinar also will go over how to use YouTube as a core component for captioning material delivered outside of YouTube. In addition, accessibility of the YouTube player itself will be discussed, along with mention of tools content producers can leverage to enhance video accessibility for everyone. Register at the link below for the December 2 Webinar on YouTube http://easi.cc/clinic.htm#november EASI Webinar: Accessible Digital Images Dec. 19 at 11 Pacific, noon Mountain, 1 Central and 2 PM Eastern Presenter: Julie Noblitt, Community Manager at the DIAGRAM Center Digital images, especially STEM images (including mathematical equations), can present a significant challenge to students with print disabilities. How can content providers and platforms ensure that digital images are truly usable by everyone? In this session, we will discuss the emerging ecosystem of tools, standards, and research designed to ensure that images are accessible to all online. Julie Noblitt is Community Manager at the DIAGRAM Center, an OSEP-funded R&D center devoted to making it easier, faster, and cheaper to create and use accessible images for students with print disabilities. Register at the link below for the Diagram Center Webinar Dec. 19 http://easi.cc/clinic.htm#november Norm From foreigntype at gmail.com Mon Nov 25 09:52:53 2013 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Flipviewer Accessibility Message-ID: <046901ceea07$2ab6b250$802416f0$@gmail.com> Hi all Athen-ites, Any of you who have insight, comments or evaluations on the accessibility from a variety of perspectives about FLIPVIEWER (http://www.flipviewer.com/en/index_en), I would appreciate it. A colleague is involved in a meeting in a few hours and needs some quick info. Anything you can contribute to the general good of the order would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. 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Release notes are here: http://www.chromevox.com/release_notes.html There is a user survey on that page, which you or your students might want to fill out. -- Lisa Brandt (Heckman), PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician 971-722-3135 From gdietrich at htctu.net Mon Nov 25 10:59:34 2013 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: AT Coordinator Position at UCSC Message-ID: <96EA80514A7D40A18EEF4E04D6B489D7@htctu.fhda.edu> Please forgive cross-posts Subject: FW: AT Coordinator Position at UCSC Please pass this along if you know of any good AT folks looking for a position. Subject: AT Coordinator Position at UCSC Peggy Church, Director of the UCSC Disability Resource Center, asked me to share the link to our current opening in Santa Cruz. Please share this opening with interested parties. https://jobs.ucsc.edu/applicants/jsp/shared/frameset/Frameset.jsp?time=13854 02468656 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsuttondc at gmail.com Thu Nov 28 13:14:44 2013 From: jsuttondc at gmail.com (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Carnegie Mellon Leads Multi-University Project To Improve Web and Cloud Computing Accessibility Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20131128131351.07e46de0@gmail.com> Greetings, ATHEN Members: I thought some of you might like to be aware of this project. Carnegie Mellon Leads Multi-University Project To Improve Web and Cloud Computing Accessibility http://indiaeducationdiary.in/Shownews.asp?newsid=26654