From sherylb at uw.edu Tue Jul 1 12:01:31 2014 From: sherylb at uw.edu (Sheryl Burgstahler) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] student computer lab use policies In-Reply-To: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB2C1@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> References: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB2C1@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: You will find computer/facility use policies for our largest computer Learning Commons location at http://www.washington.edu/itconnect/learn/technology-spaces/odegaard-learning-commons/ I think the key is to avoid putting added restrictions on students with disabilities. Sheryl ------------------------------------------------------------ Sheryl Burgstahler, Ph.D. Director, UW Accessible Technology & DO-IT, UW-IT Affiliate Professor, Education University of Washington, Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 206-543-0622 FAX 206-221-4171 http://staff.washington.edu/sherylb sherylb@uw.edu On Jun 26, 2014, at 12:35 PM, Susan Kelmer wrote: > I know I asked once before but didn?t get the kind of responses I need. I need student computer lab use policies ? i.e., what behavior is expected of students using a campus computer lab. This can be for a general use lab, or a specific AT-use lab. I would like to see what others have on their policies before finalizing mine. > > Thanks in advance! > > Susan Kelmer > Alternate Format Coordinator > Disability Services > University of Colorado > 303-735-4836 > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvelasquez at berkeley.edu Tue Jul 1 12:28:44 2014 From: mvelasquez at berkeley.edu (Martha Velasquez) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fwd: Vacant Position Open In-Reply-To: <4c5ee7f365d84049248aca6f4194e6d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c5ee7f365d84049248aca6f4194e6d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: FYI We have just posted the Vacancy Announcement for our currently vacant Associate Director of the Disabled Students? Program (DSP) position. Please circulate widely and help us find qualified candidates to compete for the position. The salary range is $74,000 - $94,000. Enclosed is a copy of the vacancy announcement. Applications can ONLY be accepted on-line at the UC Berkeley Job Listing website http://jobs.berkeley.edu/job-listings.html . Once there search for the vacancy announcement under the name ?Associate DSP Director?. The vacancy announcement number is #18170. Thank you, Paul H. Paul Hippolitus, Director Disabled Students Program University of California, Berkeley 260 Cesar Chavez Center 510-642-0518 -- Alternative Media Supervisor Disabled Students' Program University of California, Berkeley http://dsp.berkeley.edu/alternativemedia.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mturner at calstate.edu Wed Jul 2 15:54:22 2014 From: mturner at calstate.edu (Turner, Mark) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] in Adobe Pro, what is difference between bookmarks and headings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5166A2C09BC2D745BE2092DC14282B0D08E846EFEB@COWEWEXMB02.csuco> Krista, I'm certain that others will chime in as well but here's my 2 cents. In much the same way that heading tags (1) convey the semantic structure of the PDF and (2) allow navigation by that structure for screen reader users, bookmarks provide this functionality to ALL users and have particular benefits for those with mobility limitations (significantly easing content navigation via keyboard) and cognitive disabilities (by summarizing the document in list format). In many cases, the workflow for producing PDFs with headings can also be leveraged to automatically generate bookmarks from the existing headings. See the W3C's PDF2: Creating bookmarks in PDF documents page for more details on both the rationale for bookmarks and techniques to implement them. Bottom-line: I generally suggest that authors use bookmarks. They provide clear benefits for users, are easy to implement (at least with common source formats such as MS Word), and don't generally create other issues. Hope that's helpful. Best, Mark Turner, M.A. Associate Director, Accessible Technology Initiative CSU Office of the Chancellor (562) 951-4353 voice (562) 951-4857 fax mturner@calstate.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of KRISTA L. GREEAR Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 3:20 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] in Adobe Pro, what is difference between bookmarks and headings Perhaps a silly question to ask but I did not find a satisfactory answer online to "what is difference between bookmarks and headings". I understand that headings are one type of tag and tagging provides the necessary structure for screen reader users to access PDFs. However, I would like to know if bookmarks offer any accessibility support. Best, Krista Greear Accessible Text and Technology Manager Disability Resources for Students University of Washington -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Thu Jul 3 02:54:25 2014 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] in Adobe Pro, what is difference between bookmarks and headings In-Reply-To: <5166A2C09BC2D745BE2092DC14282B0D08E846EFEB@COWEWEXMB02.csuco> References: <5166A2C09BC2D745BE2092DC14282B0D08E846EFEB@COWEWEXMB02.csuco> Message-ID: <004001cf96a4$c608c460$521a4d20$@karlencommunications.com> Agreed! And if you add headings in Word, you can generate a table of contents in the Word document easily and have those headings converted to bookmarks in the PDF (while retaining both the headings in the document and the TOC) so one application of heading styles gives you two methods of navigation in Word and three in a subsequent PDF document.and saves time. I even make my heading 1 bookmarks blue (in Adobe Acrobat Pro) so that people with visual, learning or cognitive disabilities can easily see the chapter titles in the bookmarks panel. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Turner, Mark Sent: July 2, 2014 6:54 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] in Adobe Pro, what is difference between bookmarks and headings Krista, I'm certain that others will chime in as well but here's my 2 cents. In much the same way that heading tags (1) convey the semantic structure of the PDF and (2) allow navigation by that structure for screen reader users, bookmarks provide this functionality to ALL users and have particular benefits for those with mobility limitations (significantly easing content navigation via keyboard) and cognitive disabilities (by summarizing the document in list format). In many cases, the workflow for producing PDFs with headings can also be leveraged to automatically generate bookmarks from the existing headings. See the W3C's PDF2: Creating bookmarks in PDF documents page for more details on both the rationale for bookmarks and techniques to implement them. Bottom-line: I generally suggest that authors use bookmarks. They provide clear benefits for users, are easy to implement (at least with common source formats such as MS Word), and don't generally create other issues. Hope that's helpful. Best, Mark Turner, M.A. Associate Director, Accessible Technology Initiative CSU Office of the Chancellor (562) 951-4353 voice (562) 951-4857 fax mturner@calstate.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of KRISTA L. GREEAR Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 3:20 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] in Adobe Pro, what is difference between bookmarks and headings Perhaps a silly question to ask but I did not find a satisfactory answer online to "what is difference between bookmarks and headings". I understand that headings are one type of tag and tagging provides the necessary structure for screen reader users to access PDFs. However, I would like to know if bookmarks offer any accessibility support. Best, Krista Greear Accessible Text and Technology Manager Disability Resources for Students University of Washington -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.sorensen at pcc.edu Thu Jul 3 16:14:52 2014 From: karen.sorensen at pcc.edu (Karen Sorensen) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility Centers Message-ID: Hi - I have a dream of a statewide or at least a college-wide accessibility center where: - faculty can get training on accessible course content creation, - end user testing of dynamic products and tools can be done, - and hosting of special projects like Subject area accessibility studies can be managed. Our director has asked if there are other centers like this that I know of. I know of the High Tech Center in California and DO-It at Univ. of WA, but are there others? How did these and others get started? Who runs them? Thanks everyone! Best, Karen Karen M. Sorensen Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses www.pcc.edu/access Portland Community College 971-722-4720 *"The power of the Web is in its universality. 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Wink Wink Harner foreigntype@gmail.com > On Jul 3, 2014, at 4:14 PM, Karen Sorensen wrote: > > Hi - > I have a dream of a statewide or at least a college-wide accessibility center where: > faculty can get training on accessible course content creation, > end user testing of dynamic products and tools can be done, > and hosting of special projects like Subject area accessibility studies can be managed. > Our director has asked if there are other centers like this that I know of. I know of the High Tech Center in California and DO-It at Univ. of WA, but are there others? How did these and others get started? Who runs them? > > Thanks everyone! > > Best, > > Karen > > Karen M. Sorensen > Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses > www.pcc.edu/access > Portland Community College > 971-722-4720 > "The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect.? 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The Tech Act projects were designed to just this thing, but where never adequately funded. There are also some good models in the K-12 system but they are K-12 only. The funding challenge is going to be what target population will you serve, if it is all then you are going to have to figure out the political conflicts and the conflicts inherent in the various laws that govern public funding streams. Private public partnership would be the way to go in my mind. Interesting concept, one many have tried, including me within the educational space. Let's keep the conversation going. Ron Stewart On Thursday, July 3, 2014, Wink Harner wrote: > Wouldn't that be wonderful! I'm sure Gaier can share how the High Tech > center came into being. It's highly probable "we" (in the field) could > write/apply for a grant to get it started. > > Wink > Wink Harner > foreigntype@gmail.com > > > Wink > Wink Harner > foreigntype@gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tft at uw.edu Fri Jul 4 05:23:54 2014 From: tft at uw.edu (Terrill Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] [ITACCESS] Accessibility Centers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Karen, You mentioned DO-IT in your original post, so I'll share a bit more about our program... Sheryl Burgstahler started DO-IT in 1992 with a grant from the National Science Foundation. The original program was a summer study program that brought high school students with disabilities to the University of Washington to learn about college life and gain skills, knowledge, and experience that will help them to succeed as they transition into college and beyond. This program still exists today, although it's no longer a national program; it's now a statewide program funded by the State of Washington. That said, we have continued to receive funding from NSF, the US Department of Education, and various other sources over the years to work toward improving accessibility in education and to increase the opportunities for students with disabilities to succeed in challenging careers. Most of our grant funding has focused on outreach and dissemination, and in that context we develop resources and provide trainings and workshops, mostly at conferences but occasionally at other events that are organized by higher education institutions or other organizations. We don't have the bandwidth to provide trainings on an ongoing basis to anyone who wants them, and we don't support our state institutions in the same way that the HTCTU does in California. However, we try to support trainings and events that are likely to have a large and lasting impact. For example, if a statewide higher education system were to hold a capacity building institute focused on IT Accessibility involving all its state higher education institutions, we would probably be willing to help with such an effort, perhaps by helping with planning or by participating as a speaker. We actually are in the early stages of planning such an event for the State of Washington to be held sometime in 2015. Although these are one-time events, we recommend structuring them so that they're action-oriented, with all attendees leaving with action items and an established infrastructure for continued communication and collaboration. Internally at the UW, the DO-IT Center is setup as a collaboration between UW-IT, the College of Engineering, and the College of Education. Within UW-IT, we are part of Accessible Technology Services (ATS), which provides consulting, training, and support to the campus community on IT accessibility issues. That's the group that I'm in. We have two other full-time staff members (Dan Comden and Hadi Rangin) plus Sheryl, our director. My position is currently 60% focused on the UW, and 40% focused on DO-IT's grant-funded programs. Dan and Hadi are 100% UW-focused. ATS provides the sorts of services you're describing Karen, but only within the UW. Regarding product testing, that's one of our roles within ATS, but there are so many IT products being considered or deployed at the UW it's impossible even for three full-time staff people to thoroughly test them all. This is an area where I think it's critical for us all to pool our resources, share our knowledge, and work together to collaborate with vendors. There are a variety of successful collaborations that have taken place through ATHEN: http://collaborate.athenpro.org/ Also, the need for better, more reliable information about accessibility of vendors' products is a key issue that is being explored within the EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group: http://educause.edu/groups/itaccess Here's some more detail about the history of our accessibility efforts at the UW: http://www.washington.edu/accessibility/highlights/ Regards, Terrill --- Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology University of Washington tft@uw.edu On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Lucy Greco wrote: > Yes look at the California?s community college high tech training > center it is just what your dream is. they offer train the trainer type > classes in AT for students and classes on producing alt media and > accessible web to many others. They offer this for free to faculty and > staff in their own system with travel for free. Other people in California > from CSU and UC can attend for free space permitting with no expenses > covered. I hope this helps > > > > Lucia Greco > > Web Accessibility Evangelist > > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration > > University of California, Berkeley > > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco > > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu > > follow me on twitter @accessaces > > > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: > ITACCESS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Karen Sorensen > *Sent:* Thursday, July 03, 2014 4:15 PM > *To:* ITACCESS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* [ITACCESS] Accessibility Centers > > > > Hi - > > I have a dream of a statewide or at least a college-wide accessibility > center where: > > - faculty can get training on accessible course content creation, > - end user testing of dynamic products and tools can be done, > - and hosting of special projects like Subject area accessibility > studies can be managed. > > Our director has asked if there are other centers like this that I know > of. I know of the High Tech Center in California and DO-It at Univ. of WA, > but are there others? How did these and others get started? Who runs them? > > Thanks everyone! > > Best, > > Karen > > Karen M. Sorensen > Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses > www.pcc.edu/access > Portland Community College > 971-722-4720 > *"The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone > regardless of disability is an essential aspect.?* Tim Berners-Lee > > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Do your users who prefer an onscreen keyboard use the ones included with the Mac OS or with Windows? Do you know of reasons why we would install Click-N-Type as well? http://www.lakefolks.org/cnt/ Any input would be helpful. Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu From gdietrich at htctu.net Tue Jul 8 12:14:53 2014 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Sorry for the Repost: Job Opening! Adaptive Technology/Internet Access Specialist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a901cf9ae0$e6500770$b2f01650$@htctu.net> From: Mark C Mintz [mailto:mmintz@hancockcollege.edu] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 6:47 PM To: Alternate Media Subject: Sorry for the Repost: Job Opening! Adaptive Technology/Internet Access Specialist Hi Everyone, We just had to extend our opening for Adaptive Technology/Internet Access Specialist (My current position - I'm moving to Pasadena soon). I've attached a copy of the job description. The people I work with are great, the area is awesome, the weather is terrific. It's a good school, and the department moved into this brand new building less than a year ago. Leaving here was a very difficult decision indeed. If you have any questions about the job, the school, the area, or anything else, please feel free to ask. I'm not part of the hiring committee, but I want to make sure my students get some continuity in service when I'm gone. The recruitment ends July 22, and it has to be in on paper, so don't delay! Mark Mintz Adaptive Technology/Internet Access Specialist Allan Hancock College -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Again, just my preference for campus wide. For an AT lab, I think having Click-N-Type is a good freeware solution. An even better paid solution is Applied Human Factors - REACH on-screen keyboard. It has smart keys (dictionary base spelling), smart list (solid word prediction), scanning, mouse/pointer assistance, and completely customizable with lots of templates. http://newsite.ahf-net.com/reach/ **Have to mention: The windows ease of access center is housed in the control panel. The simple command of 'Windows key + U' to access it is sometimes locked out due to administrative settings. This is a common security measure to stop students from messing up the computers in labs, etc. Work with your IT departments to ensure students have access to it. You can also add a desktop shortcut to all the programs (magnifier, narrator, speech recognition, on-screen keyboard), or make sure they can be found in the start menu under accessories. I hope this information helps. I appreciate your commitment to creating an accessible educational experience! Brad Held Assistive Technology Coordinator Student Disability Services University of Central Florida Ferrell Commons 7F, Room 185 Orlando, FL 32816-0161 (407) 823-2371 -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Rachel Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 2:28 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Onscreen Keyboard We are deciding what tools need to be on public computers campus-wide. Some suggestions from other institutions from a few years ago included Click-N-Type, but I wonder if the PC and Mac native onscreen keyboards have caught up with user needs. Do your users who prefer an onscreen keyboard use the ones included with the Mac OS or with Windows? Do you know of reasons why we would install Click-N-Type as well? http://www.lakefolks.org/cnt/ Any input would be helpful. Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Jul 9 07:27:03 2014 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6D16A6@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Hi all, I have a student who is wanting to get other voices to use with NVDA. He is on a Windows 7 machine and has Microsoft Anna, but would like something different. He likes the David voice that comes with Windows 8, but I'm not sure if he can install it on a Windows 7 machine. Has anybody tried this? Also, can anybody give recommendations of good voices, preferably free, for a Windows 7 system? I haven't played with any of the third-party voices in a couple of years now. Thanks for any direction you can provide. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joanr at beaufortccc.edu Wed Jul 9 07:28:41 2014 From: joanr at beaufortccc.edu (Joan Robson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Onscreen Keyboard Message-ID: <53BD1959020000D100040936@gwise1.beaufortccc.edu> Hi Rachel, We are a small community college and so far this has not be an accommodation on our campus. Joan C. Robson Special Populations Coordinator Beaufort County Community College P.O. Box 1069 Washington,NC 27889 (252)940-6356 >>> "Thompson, Rachel" 07/08/14 2:29 PM >>> We are deciding what tools need to be on public computers campus-wide. Some suggestions from other institutions from a few years ago included Click-N-Type, but I wonder if the PC and Mac native onscreen keyboards have caught up with user needs. Do your users who prefer an onscreen keyboard use the ones included with the Mac OS or with Windows? Do you know of reasons why we would install Click-N-Type as well? http://www.lakefolks.org/cnt/ Any input would be helpful. Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list Beaufort County Community College is a public comprehensive community college committed to providing accessible and affordable quality education, effective teaching, relevant training, and lifelong learning opportunities for the people served by the College. E-mail correspondence to and from this sender may be subject to the North Carolina Public Records law and may be disclosed to third parties. From alpuzz at msu.edu Wed Jul 9 07:57:44 2014 From: alpuzz at msu.edu (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6D16A6@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6D16A6@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: Hi Robert, There are several good options out there but unfortunately, "free" is the sticking point. NVDA have partnered with Nuance to offer the Vocalizer voices. These are quite responsive and of very high quality, but the whole package costs approximately $120.00. You may be able to purchase voices individually for less, but I'm not sure whether or not that's actually possible. Unless your student is dealing with multilingual content, Tom and Samantha would probably suffice. There are other, perhaps somewhat less expensive options available as well such as AT&T Natural Voices; but unfortunately, really nothing I can think of that's free and of any real quality. Best of luck, Al Puzzuoli Information Technologist Michigan State University, Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities, 120 Bessey Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 517-884-1915 http://www.rcpd.msu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 10:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 Hi all, I have a student who is wanting to get other voices to use with NVDA. He is on a Windows 7 machine and has Microsoft Anna, but would like something different. He likes the David voice that comes with Windows 8, but I'm not sure if he can install it on a Windows 7 machine. Has anybody tried this? Also, can anybody give recommendations of good voices, preferably free, for a Windows 7 system? I haven't played with any of the third-party voices in a couple of years now. Thanks for any direction you can provide. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Jul 9 08:13:08 2014 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6D16A6@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6D16EC@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> I did tell him about the AT&T and Neo Speak voices. I was hoping to give him some other options as well, but it doesn't look like there's much out there. Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Al Puzzuoli Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 9:58 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 Hi Robert, There are several good options out there but unfortunately, "free" is the sticking point. NVDA have partnered with Nuance to offer the Vocalizer voices. These are quite responsive and of very high quality, but the whole package costs approximately $120.00. You may be able to purchase voices individually for less, but I'm not sure whether or not that's actually possible. Unless your student is dealing with multilingual content, Tom and Samantha would probably suffice. There are other, perhaps somewhat less expensive options available as well such as AT&T Natural Voices; but unfortunately, really nothing I can think of that's free and of any real quality. Best of luck, Al Puzzuoli Information Technologist Michigan State University, Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities, 120 Bessey Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 517-884-1915 http://www.rcpd.msu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 10:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 Hi all, I have a student who is wanting to get other voices to use with NVDA. He is on a Windows 7 machine and has Microsoft Anna, but would like something different. He likes the David voice that comes with Windows 8, but I'm not sure if he can install it on a Windows 7 machine. Has anybody tried this? Also, can anybody give recommendations of good voices, preferably free, for a Windows 7 system? I haven't played with any of the third-party voices in a couple of years now. Thanks for any direction you can provide. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From A.James at soton.ac.uk Wed Jul 9 08:17:38 2014 From: A.James at soton.ac.uk (James A.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6D16A6@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <66DDE98B5449F549AA90D10FEF3653822C081B43@SRV00048.soton.ac.uk> In the UK we would usually direct users to Ivona (http://www.ivona.com/en/voices/) or Cereproc (https://www.cereproc.com/en/storesapi). Both companies provide high SAPI quality voices at a relatively low cost although you may have to purchase in UK? or Euros. Ivona is now owned by Amazon and are the voices built into the Kindle Fire HDX devices. Best wishes Abi ====================================== Abi James Assistive Technology Consultant & Researcher British Dyslexia Association New Technologies Chair (bdatech.org) Accessibility Group, WAIS, University of Southampton From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Al Puzzuoli Sent: 09 July 2014 15:58 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 Hi Robert, There are several good options out there but unfortunately, "free" is the sticking point. NVDA have partnered with Nuance to offer the Vocalizer voices. These are quite responsive and of very high quality, but the whole package costs approximately $120.00. You may be able to purchase voices individually for less, but I'm not sure whether or not that's actually possible. Unless your student is dealing with multilingual content, Tom and Samantha would probably suffice. There are other, perhaps somewhat less expensive options available as well such as AT&T Natural Voices; but unfortunately, really nothing I can think of that's free and of any real quality. Best of luck, Al Puzzuoli Information Technologist Michigan State University, Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities, 120 Bessey Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 517-884-1915 http://www.rcpd.msu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 10:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 Hi all, I have a student who is wanting to get other voices to use with NVDA. He is on a Windows 7 machine and has Microsoft Anna, but would like something different. He likes the David voice that comes with Windows 8, but I'm not sure if he can install it on a Windows 7 machine. Has anybody tried this? Also, can anybody give recommendations of good voices, preferably free, for a Windows 7 system? I haven't played with any of the third-party voices in a couple of years now. Thanks for any direction you can provide. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rsthompson2 at ua.edu Wed Jul 9 08:31:01 2014 From: rsthompson2 at ua.edu (Thompson, Rachel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Assistive tech compatibility? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, all. Many thanks to those of you who shared your expertise about onscreen keyboards and what has worked on your campus. I would like to ask for more input related to our campus-wide assistive technology proposal. We are exploring the possibility of installing the following tools campus-wide. In some cases, these tools have overlapping capabilities, but at the same time, we may have students who have experience using NVDA, but not JAWS, etc. If adding an extra tool dos not bring an added financial or support burden, we will likely include it. Click-N-Type Virtual Keyboard (may not be necessary because of native onscreen keyboard tools) JAWS MathPlayer NaturalReader NVDA Read: Outloud University Read and Write Gold Window-Eyes ZoomText At this point, we have determined cost for our campus public computers and computer classrooms. I am looking into what technical challenges or incompatibilities these programs might have that add to the workload of our campus support teams (separate for each college, libraries, central IT), As I looked at the technical requirements and common troubleshooting/support issues for each program, I came across the statement below from AI Squared?s ZoomText site. Have you had problems running multiple AT programs on your campus machines, either in an AT lab or in a computer facility used by all students/faculty/staff? We have to figure out if we are heading in a good direction. Our goal is to make it so our students and others who could benefit from the tools do not have to wait for a specific machine or go to a separate location to access the resources they need. I hope to test these tools on our most commonly used computer image and can share here any problems that arise. If there is interest. ?Compatibility with Other Accessibility Programs Most accessibility programs install a chaining display driver that is always active, whether or not the accessibility program is currently running. When two or more accessibility products are installed on the same machine, there is the potential for compatibility problems with the accessibility programs. It is also possible that installing multiple accessibility programs may cause a crash when the system boots. Some accessibility programs, including ZoomText 10, utilize DCM (Driver Chain Manager) to improve compatibility with other DCM compliant accessibility programs. ZoomText 10 utilizes DCM on Windows XP systems and Windows Vista systems that are equipped with older video hardware. If you are running other accessibility programs on your system, check with the manufactures of each program for compatibility information and upgrades recommended for improved compatibility with other accessibility programs.? From http://www.aisquared.com/support/more/release_notes#10.1 I welcome your input on this. Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu On 07/09/14, 9:17 AM, "Brad Held" wrote: Dear Rachel, My thoughts. UCF is a Windows 7 campus (for the most part; just a few Macs and Windows 8.1). With features like, resizing of the keyboard (to get larger letters), text prediction, number pad, and alternate input (hover keys and scanning), the on-screen keyboard in W7 is sufficient enough for our campus needs for accessibility and equal access. Plus it is built-in! Click-N-Type is updated and maintained, but still looks like a Windows 95 program, I am sure this is for accessibility, but still a polish image is important. The W7/8.1 and Mac on-screen keyboards look modern. Again, just my preference for campus wide. For an AT lab, I think having Click-N-Type is a good freeware solution. An even better paid solution is Applied Human Factors - REACH on-screen keyboard. It has smart keys (dictionary base spelling), smart list (solid word prediction), scanning, mouse/pointer assistance, and completely customizable with lots of templates. http://newsite.ahf-net.com/reach/ **Have to mention: The windows ease of access center is housed in the control panel. The simple command of 'Windows key + U' to access it is sometimes locked out due to administrative settings. This is a common security measure to stop students from messing up the computers in labs, etc. Work with your IT departments to ensure students have access to it. You can also add a desktop shortcut to all the programs (magnifier, narrator, speech recognition, on-screen keyboard), or make sure they can be found in the start menu under accessories. I hope this information helps. I appreciate your commitment to creating an accessible educational experience! Brad Held Assistive Technology Coordinator Student Disability Services University of Central Florida Ferrell Commons 7F, Room 185 Orlando, FL 32816-0161 (407) 823-2371 -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Rachel Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 2:28 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Onscreen Keyboard We are deciding what tools need to be on public computers campus-wide. Some suggestions from other institutions from a few years ago included Click-N-Type, but I wonder if the PC and Mac native onscreen keyboards have caught up with user needs. Do your users who prefer an onscreen keyboard use the ones included with the Mac OS or with Windows? Do you know of reasons why we would install Click-N-Type as well? http://www.lakefolks.org/cnt/ Any input would be helpful. Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From alpuzz at msu.edu Wed Jul 9 08:42:10 2014 From: alpuzz at msu.edu (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Assistive tech compatibility? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rachel, The only issue I see is with MathPlayer. Unless things have recently changed, the problem is that the plugin only works with outdated versions of Internet Explorer. I believe IE9 was the last supported version. It might be practical to designate a few stations as MathPlayer enabled, and prevent those stations from doing browser updates, but you definitely wouldn't want to roll out IE9 campus-wide! Al Puzzuoli Information Technologist Michigan State University, Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities, 120 Bessey Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 517-884-1915 http://www.rcpd.msu.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Rachel Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:31 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Assistive tech compatibility? Hi, all. Many thanks to those of you who shared your expertise about onscreen keyboards and what has worked on your campus. I would like to ask for more input related to our campus-wide assistive technology proposal. We are exploring the possibility of installing the following tools campus-wide. In some cases, these tools have overlapping capabilities, but at the same time, we may have students who have experience using NVDA, but not JAWS, etc. If adding an extra tool dos not bring an added financial or support burden, we will likely include it. Click-N-Type Virtual Keyboard (may not be necessary because of native onscreen keyboard tools) JAWS MathPlayer NaturalReader NVDA Read: Outloud University Read and Write Gold Window-Eyes ZoomText At this point, we have determined cost for our campus public computers and computer classrooms. I am looking into what technical challenges or incompatibilities these programs might have that add to the workload of our campus support teams (separate for each college, libraries, central IT), As I looked at the technical requirements and common troubleshooting/support issues for each program, I came across the statement below from AI Squared?s ZoomText site. Have you had problems running multiple AT programs on your campus machines, either in an AT lab or in a computer facility used by all students/faculty/staff? We have to figure out if we are heading in a good direction. Our goal is to make it so our students and others who could benefit from the tools do not have to wait for a specific machine or go to a separate location to access the resources they need. I hope to test these tools on our most commonly used computer image and can share here any problems that arise. If there is interest. ?Compatibility with Other Accessibility Programs Most accessibility programs install a chaining display driver that is always active, whether or not the accessibility program is currently running. When two or more accessibility products are installed on the same machine, there is the potential for compatibility problems with the accessibility programs. It is also possible that installing multiple accessibility programs may cause a crash when the system boots. Some accessibility programs, including ZoomText 10, utilize DCM (Driver Chain Manager) to improve compatibility with other DCM compliant accessibility programs. ZoomText 10 utilizes DCM on Windows XP systems and Windows Vista systems that are equipped with older video hardware. If you are running other accessibility programs on your system, check with the manufactures of each program for compatibility information and upgrades recommended for improved compatibility with other accessibility programs.? From http://www.aisquared.com/support/more/release_notes#10.1 I welcome your input on this. Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu On 07/09/14, 9:17 AM, "Brad Held" wrote: Dear Rachel, My thoughts. UCF is a Windows 7 campus (for the most part; just a few Macs and Windows 8.1). With features like, resizing of the keyboard (to get larger letters), text prediction, number pad, and alternate input (hover keys and scanning), the on-screen keyboard in W7 is sufficient enough for our campus needs for accessibility and equal access. Plus it is built-in! Click-N-Type is updated and maintained, but still looks like a Windows 95 program, I am sure this is for accessibility, but still a polish image is important. The W7/8.1 and Mac on-screen keyboards look modern. Again, just my preference for campus wide. For an AT lab, I think having Click-N-Type is a good freeware solution. An even better paid solution is Applied Human Factors - REACH on-screen keyboard. It has smart keys (dictionary base spelling), smart list (solid word prediction), scanning, mouse/pointer assistance, and completely customizable with lots of templates. http://newsite.ahf-net.com/reach/ **Have to mention: The windows ease of access center is housed in the control panel. The simple command of 'Windows key + U' to access it is sometimes locked out due to administrative settings. This is a common security measure to stop students from messing up the computers in labs, etc. Work with your IT departments to ensure students have access to it. You can also add a desktop shortcut to all the programs (magnifier, narrator, speech recognition, on-screen keyboard), or make sure they can be found in the start menu under accessories. I hope this information helps. I appreciate your commitment to creating an accessible educational experience! Brad Held Assistive Technology Coordinator Student Disability Services University of Central Florida Ferrell Commons 7F, Room 185 Orlando, FL 32816-0161 (407) 823-2371 -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Rachel Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 2:28 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Onscreen Keyboard We are deciding what tools need to be on public computers campus-wide. Some suggestions from other institutions from a few years ago included Click-N-Type, but I wonder if the PC and Mac native onscreen keyboards have caught up with user needs. Do your users who prefer an onscreen keyboard use the ones included with the Mac OS or with Windows? Do you know of reasons why we would install Click-N-Type as well? http://www.lakefolks.org/cnt/ Any input would be helpful. Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From jeffreydell99 at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 09:07:35 2014 From: jeffreydell99 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Dell) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Assistive tech compatibility? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JAWS and ZoomText will not run in Thin Client computing environments. I have not tested the other programs on think client terminals, but I don't think you will get the screen readers to work. So make sure your IT department is not running thin client computers in the computer labs. Some universities like this because it saves money on maintenance for the computer labs since only a hand full of servers need to be updated to run hundreds of computers. Our IT department runs about half of the computers in each lab like this so we were unable to role out JAWS and ZoomText on those specific machines. Jeff On 7/9/14, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi Rachel, > The only issue I see is with MathPlayer. Unless things have recently > changed, the problem is that the plugin only works with outdated versions of > Internet Explorer. I believe IE9 was the last supported version. It might be > practical to designate a few stations as MathPlayer enabled, and prevent > those stations from doing browser updates, but you definitely wouldn't want > to roll out IE9 campus-wide! > Al Puzzuoli > Information Technologist > Michigan State University, > Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities, 120 Bessey Hall East > Lansing, MI 48824-1033 > 517-884-1915 > http://www.rcpd.msu.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On > Behalf Of Thompson, Rachel > Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:31 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Assistive tech compatibility? > > Hi, all. > > Many thanks to those of you who shared your expertise about onscreen > keyboards and what has worked on your campus. > > I would like to ask for more input related to our campus-wide assistive > technology proposal. We are exploring the possibility of installing the > following tools campus-wide. In some cases, these tools have overlapping > capabilities, but at the same time, we may have students who have experience > using NVDA, but not JAWS, etc. If adding an extra tool dos not bring an > added financial or support burden, we will likely include it. > > > > Click-N-Type Virtual Keyboard (may not be necessary because of native > onscreen keyboard tools) JAWS > > > > > MathPlayer > NaturalReader > NVDA > > > > Read: Outloud University > Read and Write Gold > > Window-Eyes > ZoomText > > > > > > At this point, we have determined cost for our campus public computers and > computer classrooms. I am looking into what technical challenges or > incompatibilities these programs might have that add to the workload of our > campus support teams (separate for each college, libraries, central IT), As > I looked at the technical requirements and common troubleshooting/support > issues for each program, I came across the statement below from AI Squared?s > ZoomText site. Have you had problems running multiple AT programs on your > campus machines, either in an AT lab or in a computer facility used by all > students/faculty/staff? > > We have to figure out if we are heading in a good direction. Our goal is to > make it so our students and others who could benefit from the tools do not > have to wait for a specific machine or go to a separate location to access > the resources they need. I hope to test these tools on our most commonly > used computer image and can share here any problems that arise. > If there is interest. > > > ?Compatibility with Other Accessibility Programs Most accessibility programs > install a chaining display driver that is always active, whether or not the > accessibility program is currently running. When two or more accessibility > products are installed on the same machine, there is the potential for > compatibility problems with the accessibility programs. It is also possible > that installing multiple accessibility programs may cause a crash when the > system boots. > > Some accessibility programs, including ZoomText 10, utilize DCM (Driver > Chain Manager) to improve compatibility with other DCM compliant > accessibility programs. ZoomText 10 utilizes DCM on Windows XP systems and > Windows Vista systems that are equipped with older video hardware. > If you are running other accessibility programs on your system, check with > the manufactures of each program for compatibility information and upgrades > recommended for improved compatibility with other accessibility programs.? > From http://www.aisquared.com/support/more/release_notes#10.1 > > I welcome your input on this. > > Rachel > > Dr. Rachel S. Thompson > Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional > Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu > > > > > > > > On 07/09/14, 9:17 AM, "Brad Held" wrote: > > Dear Rachel, > My thoughts. UCF is a Windows 7 campus (for the most part; just a few Macs > and Windows 8.1). With features like, resizing of the keyboard (to get > larger letters), text prediction, number pad, and alternate input (hover > keys and scanning), the on-screen keyboard in W7 is sufficient enough for > our campus needs for accessibility and equal access. Plus it is built-in! > > Click-N-Type is updated and maintained, but still looks like a Windows 95 > program, I am sure this is for accessibility, but still a polish image is > important. The W7/8.1 and Mac on-screen keyboards look modern. Again, just > my preference for campus wide. For an AT lab, I think having Click-N-Type is > a good freeware solution. An even better paid solution is Applied Human > Factors - REACH on-screen keyboard. It has smart keys (dictionary base > spelling), smart list (solid word prediction), scanning, mouse/pointer > assistance, and completely customizable with lots of templates. > http://newsite.ahf-net.com/reach/ > > **Have to mention: The windows ease of access center is housed in the > control panel. The simple command of 'Windows key + U' to access it is > sometimes locked out due to administrative settings. This is a common > security measure to stop students from messing up the computers in labs, > etc. Work with your IT departments to ensure students have access to it. > You can also add a desktop shortcut to all the programs (magnifier, > narrator, speech recognition, on-screen keyboard), or make sure they can be > found in the start menu under accessories. > > I hope this information helps. I appreciate your commitment to creating an > accessible educational experience! > > Brad Held > Assistive Technology Coordinator > Student Disability Services > University of Central Florida > Ferrell Commons 7F, Room 185 > Orlando, FL 32816-0161 > (407) 823-2371 > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On > Behalf Of Thompson, Rachel > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 2:28 PM > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] Onscreen Keyboard > > We are deciding what tools need to be on public computers campus-wide. > Some suggestions from other institutions from a few years ago included > Click-N-Type, but I wonder if the PC and Mac native onscreen keyboards have > caught up with user needs. Do your users who prefer an onscreen keyboard use > the ones included with the Mac OS or with Windows? Do you know of reasons > why we would install Click-N-Type as well? > http://www.lakefolks.org/cnt/ > > Any input would be helpful. > > Rachel > > Dr. Rachel S. Thompson > Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional > Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > From michele.bromley at pdx.edu Wed Jul 9 12:23:52 2014 From: michele.bromley at pdx.edu (Michele Bromley) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Text-to-Speech Software that Reads Russian Message-ID: Hello all, We recently had a student request alternative formats for several Russian language classes. Our text-to-speech software reads English, Spanish, French, German, Italian, Portuguese, and Finnish, but not Russian. Do any of you know of a text-to-speech or screen-reading software (preferably the former) that can recognize and read text aloud in Russian? Thank you for any recommendations! *Michele Joy Bromley* Inclusive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Office: 116A SMSU Phone: (503) 725-8395 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu Website: www.pdx.edu/drc/adaptive-technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Teresa.Haven at nau.edu Wed Jul 9 12:29:35 2014 From: Teresa.Haven at nau.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Text-to-Speech Software that Reads Russian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDA25734@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Hi, Michelle. Check out Balabolka and see if it will meet your needs. It is a TTS utility, not a full scan-and-read system, but Russian is one of its supported languages. http://www.balabolka.theappcenter.com/ Best, Teresa Teresa Haven, Ph.D. Accessibility Analyst Northern Arizona University From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Michele Bromley Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 12:24 PM To: DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Text-to-Speech Software that Reads Russian Hello all, We recently had a student request alternative formats for several Russian language classes. Our text-to-speech software reads English, Spanish, French, German, Italian, Portuguese, and Finnish, but not Russian. Do any of you know of a text-to-speech or screen-reading software (preferably the former) that can recognize and read text aloud in Russian? Thank you for any recommendations! Michele Joy Bromley Inclusive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Office: 116A SMSU Phone: (503) 725-8395 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu Website: www.pdx.edu/drc/adaptive-technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Teresa.Haven at nau.edu Wed Jul 9 12:32:12 2014 From: Teresa.Haven at nau.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Text-to-Speech Software that Reads Russian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDA2576C@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> And my apologies for the misspelling of your name, autocorrect was being ?helpful?. Teresa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Michele Bromley Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 12:24 PM To: DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Text-to-Speech Software that Reads Russian Hello all, We recently had a student request alternative formats for several Russian language classes. Our text-to-speech software reads English, Spanish, French, German, Italian, Portuguese, and Finnish, but not Russian. Do any of you know of a text-to-speech or screen-reading software (preferably the former) that can recognize and read text aloud in Russian? Thank you for any recommendations! Michele Joy Bromley Inclusive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Office: 116A SMSU Phone: (503) 725-8395 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu Website: www.pdx.edu/drc/adaptive-technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From disabilities at aims.edu Wed Jul 9 12:33:06 2014 From: disabilities at aims.edu (Disability Access Services) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Text-to-Speech Software that Reads Russian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82104b2c9c082502126cee960c7d7b6d@mail.gmail.com> I have used Microsoft Word?s ?Speak? feature coupled with Multilingual TTS to accomplish this with other languages. Russian is an option. The only downside that I have noticed is that using this method with other languages can cause the spell check feature in Word to default to other languages when you don?t intend it to. Here are the technical instructions that your IT department would need to accomplish this. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word-help/using-the-speak-feature-with-multilingual-tts-HA101825279.aspx#_Toc272757143 Aspen Bolson Assistive Technology Specialist Disability Access Services Aims Community College 5401 W 20th St Greeley, CO 80634 disabilities@aims.edu 970-339-6596 This message may contain confidential or proprietary information of Aims Community College or its affiliates and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error any use, distribution, or disclosure of this information is prohibited. Please notify me immediately by reply email and delete this message from your computer system. Thank you. *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of *Michele Bromley *Sent:* Wednesday, July 09, 2014 1:24 PM *To:* DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu *Subject:* [Athen] Text-to-Speech Software that Reads Russian Hello all, We recently had a student request alternative formats for several Russian language classes. Our text-to-speech software reads English, Spanish, French, German, Italian, Portuguese, and Finnish, but not Russian. Do any of you know of a text-to-speech or screen-reading software (preferably the former) that can recognize and read text aloud in Russian? Thank you for any recommendations! *Michele Joy Bromley* Inclusive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Office: 116A SMSU Phone: (503) 725-8395 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu Website: www.pdx.edu/drc/adaptive-technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Keith.Bundy at dsu.edu Wed Jul 9 12:33:40 2014 From: Keith.Bundy at dsu.edu (Bundy, Keith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Text-to-Speech Software that Reads Russian In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good afternoon, Michele. JAWS for Windows does have Russian as one of its languages. Keith Bundy, MS Dakota State University Phone: 605-256-5121 Email: keith.bundy@dsu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Michele Bromley Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:24 PM To: DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Text-to-Speech Software that Reads Russian Hello all, We recently had a student request alternative formats for several Russian language classes. Our text-to-speech software reads English, Spanish, French, German, Italian, Portuguese, and Finnish, but not Russian. Do any of you know of a text-to-speech or screen-reading software (preferably the former) that can recognize and read text aloud in Russian? Thank you for any recommendations! Michele Joy Bromley Inclusive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Office: 116A SMSU Phone: (503) 725-8395 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu Website: www.pdx.edu/drc/adaptive-technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From A.James at soton.ac.uk Wed Jul 9 12:41:38 2014 From: A.James at soton.ac.uk (James A.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Text-to-Speech Software that Reads Russian In-Reply-To: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDA25734@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> References: , <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDA25734@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Message-ID: If you want to OCR Russian text have a look at Abbyy Finereader supports Russian http://finereader.abbyy.com/professional/. If you have TTS program already that let's you select different voices it maybe worth going back to manufacturer and asking if they can provide a Russian voice. Otherwise Ivona have one that can be purchased http://www.ivona.com/en/voices/. With Balabolka you still need to have a Russian SAPI voice installed. Best wishes Abi James University of Southampton, UK Sent from my iPad On 9 Jul 2014, at 20:33, "Teresa Haven" > wrote: Hi, Michelle. Check out Balabolka and see if it will meet your needs. It is a TTS utility, not a full scan-and-read system, but Russian is one of its supported languages. http://www.balabolka.theappcenter.com/ Best, Teresa Teresa Haven, Ph.D. Accessibility Analyst Northern Arizona University From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Michele Bromley Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 12:24 PM To: DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Text-to-Speech Software that Reads Russian Hello all, We recently had a student request alternative formats for several Russian language classes. Our text-to-speech software reads English, Spanish, French, German, Italian, Portuguese, and Finnish, but not Russian. Do any of you know of a text-to-speech or screen-reading software (preferably the former) that can recognize and read text aloud in Russian? Thank you for any recommendations! Michele Joy Bromley Inclusive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Office: 116A SMSU Phone: (503) 725-8395 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu Website: www.pdx.edu/drc/adaptive-technology _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From jsuttondc at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 13:25:32 2014 From: jsuttondc at gmail.com (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6D16EC@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KC KCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6D16A6@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6D16EC@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140709132219.0518f108@gmail.com> Hello, all: This project was just announced over the weekend, and it is free. But it may not be quite ready for primetime. I thought some of you might want to keep NVDA's Speech Player on your radar, though, and who knows? You may even know of people who can help move the project along. Best, Jennifer https://bitbucket.org/nvaccess/speechplayer From Allison.Kidd at colostate.edu Wed Jul 9 15:38:30 2014 From: Allison.Kidd at colostate.edu (Kidd,Allison) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Assistive tech compatibility? Message-ID: Hello Rachel, We are using a site license model at Colorado State University, and have an AT image that is installed all over campus (although not on every computer in all departments due to a few paid licenses that we just can't afford to put everywhere). The image is Windows 7 64 bit, it has all of our AT installed on it, and they all play fine together with an absolute minimum of 4GB RAM. I wouldn't advise running them all at once, but I've seen users with many applications open at once without crashing. The list of software is quite long and includes both paid and free. Email me if you'd like the full list. (I don't want to write a novel here!) Some installation tips that I've learned along the way while creating a solid image: - Kurzweil 3000 v.13 and Zoomtext 10 use the same NeoSpeech voice engines. Zoomtext must be installed before Kurzweil 3000 if you are using both. - If you start getting explorer.exe crashes after installing Dragon 12, running a command to repair Windows solves it. - Microsoft Office 64 bit causes problems with software that relies on plugins (Read & Write Gold will crash a lot, for example). Stick with 32 bit Office. - Right-click and select "Run as Administrator" when installing from Setup.exe as often as possible. - When installing software with voice engines, don't reinstall voices that are already on the system (do the custom install and de-select voices). - Reboot often between installations of major software to give the system a chance to finish updating itself. - Prevent software from automatically starting with the system to prevent conflicts and bogging down (except for those that are needed at login, of course). Check your Startup folder and msconfig.exe to disable unwanted and unnecessary items (which also helps with system speed). - A lot of AT software works better if you configure it to "Run as administrator for all users." I set this for most of the software on the image, and I think only Dragon had the opposite reaction so I made a note not to apply this setting specifically to Dragon. Hope this is helpful. Feel free to contact me directly if you need / want more details. Allison Kidd allison.kidd@colostate.edu Assistive Technology Resource Center Colorado State University -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 1:01 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 102, Issue 7 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. FW: Sorry for the Repost: Job Opening! Adaptive Technology/Internet Access Specialist (Gaeir Dietrich) 2. Re: Onscreen Keyboard (Brad Held) 3. other voices for Windows 7 (Robert Beach) 4. Re: Onscreen Keyboard (Joan Robson) 5. Re: other voices for Windows 7 (Al Puzzuoli) 6. Re: other voices for Windows 7 (Robert Beach) 7. Re: other voices for Windows 7 (James A.) 8. Assistive tech compatibility? (Thompson, Rachel) 9. Re: Assistive tech compatibility? (Al Puzzuoli) 10. Re: Assistive tech compatibility? (Jeffrey Dell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 12:14:53 -0700 From: "Gaeir Dietrich" To: "ATHEN" Subject: [Athen] FW: Sorry for the Repost: Job Opening! Adaptive Technology/Internet Access Specialist Message-ID: <00a901cf9ae0$e6500770$b2f01650$@htctu.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Mark C Mintz [mailto:mmintz@hancockcollege.edu] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 6:47 PM To: Alternate Media Subject: Sorry for the Repost: Job Opening! Adaptive Technology/Internet Access Specialist Hi Everyone, We just had to extend our opening for Adaptive Technology/Internet Access Specialist (My current position - I'm moving to Pasadena soon). I've attached a copy of the job description. The people I work with are great, the area is awesome, the weather is terrific. It's a good school, and the department moved into this brand new building less than a year ago. Leaving here was a very difficult decision indeed. If you have any questions about the job, the school, the area, or anything else, please feel free to ask. I'm not part of the hiring committee, but I want to make sure my students get some continuity in service when I'm gone. The recruitment ends July 22, and it has to be in on paper, so don't delay! Mark Mintz Adaptive Technology/Internet Access Specialist Allan Hancock College -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Adaptive Tech Internet Access Specialist.doc Type: application/msword Size: 37376 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 14:17:44 +0000 From: Brad Held To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Onscreen Keyboard Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Rachel, My thoughts. UCF is a Windows 7 campus (for the most part; just a few Macs and Windows 8.1). With features like, resizing of the keyboard (to get larger letters), text prediction, number pad, and alternate input (hover keys and scanning), the on-screen keyboard in W7 is sufficient enough for our campus needs for accessibility and equal access. Plus it is built-in! Click-N-Type is updated and maintained, but still looks like a Windows 95 program, I am sure this is for accessibility, but still a polish image is important. The W7/8.1 and Mac on-screen keyboards look modern. Again, just my preference for campus wide. For an AT lab, I think having Click-N-Type is a good freeware solution. An even better paid solution is Applied Human Factors - REACH on-screen keyboard. It has smart keys (dictionary base spelling), smart list (solid word prediction), scanning, mouse/pointer assistance, and completely customizable with lots of templates. http://newsite.ahf-net.com/reach/ **Have to mention: The windows ease of access center is housed in the control panel. The simple command of 'Windows key + U' to access it is sometimes locked out due to administrative settings. This is a common security measure to stop students from messing up the computers in labs, etc. Work with your IT departments to ensure students have access to it. You can also add a desktop shortcut to all the programs (magnifier, narrator, speech recognition, on-screen keyboard), or make sure they can be found in the start menu under accessories. I hope this information helps. I appreciate your commitment to creating an accessible educational experience! Brad Held Assistive Technology Coordinator Student Disability Services University of Central Florida Ferrell Commons 7F, Room 185 Orlando, FL 32816-0161 (407) 823-2371 -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Rachel Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 2:28 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Onscreen Keyboard We are deciding what tools need to be on public computers campus-wide. Some suggestions from other institutions from a few years ago included Click-N-Type, but I wonder if the PC and Mac native onscreen keyboards have caught up with user needs. Do your users who prefer an onscreen keyboard use the ones included with the Mac OS or with Windows? Do you know of reasons why we would install Click-N-Type as well? http://www.lakefolks.org/cnt/ Any input would be helpful. Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 14:27:03 +0000 From: Robert Beach To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu)" Subject: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6D16A6@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I have a student who is wanting to get other voices to use with NVDA. He is on a Windows 7 machine and has Microsoft Anna, but would like something different. He likes the David voice that comes with Windows 8, but I'm not sure if he can install it on a Windows 7 machine. Has anybody tried this? Also, can anybody give recommendations of good voices, preferably free, for a Windows 7 system? I haven't played with any of the third-party voices in a couple of years now. Thanks for any direction you can provide. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 10:28:41 -0400 From: "Joan Robson" To: Subject: Re: [Athen] Onscreen Keyboard Message-ID: <53BD1959020000D100040936@gwise1.beaufortccc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Rachel, We are a small community college and so far this has not be an accommodation on our campus. Joan C. Robson Special Populations Coordinator Beaufort County Community College P.O. Box 1069 Washington,NC 27889 (252)940-6356 >>> "Thompson, Rachel" 07/08/14 2:29 PM >>> We are deciding what tools need to be on public computers campus-wide. Some suggestions from other institutions from a few years ago included Click-N-Type, but I wonder if the PC and Mac native onscreen keyboards have caught up with user needs. Do your users who prefer an onscreen keyboard use the ones included with the Mac OS or with Windows? Do you know of reasons why we would install Click-N-Type as well? http://www.lakefolks.org/cnt/ Any input would be helpful. Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list Beaufort County Community College is a public comprehensive community college committed to providing accessible and affordable quality education, effective teaching, relevant training, and lifelong learning opportunities for the people served by the College. E-mail correspondence to and from this sender may be subject to the North Carolina Public Records law and may be disclosed to third parties. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 14:57:44 +0000 From: Al Puzzuoli To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Robert, There are several good options out there but unfortunately, "free" is the sticking point. NVDA have partnered with Nuance to offer the Vocalizer voices. These are quite responsive and of very high quality, but the whole package costs approximately $120.00. You may be able to purchase voices individually for less, but I'm not sure whether or not that's actually possible. Unless your student is dealing with multilingual content, Tom and Samantha would probably suffice. There are other, perhaps somewhat less expensive options available as well such as AT&T Natural Voices; but unfortunately, really nothing I can think of that's free and of any real quality. Best of luck, Al Puzzuoli Information Technologist Michigan State University, Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities, 120 Bessey Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 517-884-1915 http://www.rcpd.msu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 10:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 Hi all, I have a student who is wanting to get other voices to use with NVDA. He is on a Windows 7 machine and has Microsoft Anna, but would like something different. He likes the David voice that comes with Windows 8, but I'm not sure if he can install it on a Windows 7 machine. Has anybody tried this? Also, can anybody give recommendations of good voices, preferably free, for a Windows 7 system? I haven't played with any of the third-party voices in a couple of years now. Thanks for any direction you can provide. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:13:08 +0000 From: Robert Beach To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA846A6D16EC@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I did tell him about the AT&T and Neo Speak voices. I was hoping to give him some other options as well, but it doesn't look like there's much out there. Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Al Puzzuoli Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 9:58 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 Hi Robert, There are several good options out there but unfortunately, "free" is the sticking point. NVDA have partnered with Nuance to offer the Vocalizer voices. These are quite responsive and of very high quality, but the whole package costs approximately $120.00. You may be able to purchase voices individually for less, but I'm not sure whether or not that's actually possible. Unless your student is dealing with multilingual content, Tom and Samantha would probably suffice. There are other, perhaps somewhat less expensive options available as well such as AT&T Natural Voices; but unfortunately, really nothing I can think of that's free and of any real quality. Best of luck, Al Puzzuoli Information Technologist Michigan State University, Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities, 120 Bessey Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 517-884-1915 http://www.rcpd.msu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 10:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 Hi all, I have a student who is wanting to get other voices to use with NVDA. He is on a Windows 7 machine and has Microsoft Anna, but would like something different. He likes the David voice that comes with Windows 8, but I'm not sure if he can install it on a Windows 7 machine. Has anybody tried this? Also, can anybody give recommendations of good voices, preferably free, for a Windows 7 system? I haven't played with any of the third-party voices in a couple of years now. Thanks for any direction you can provide. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:17:38 +0000 From: "James A." To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 Message-ID: <66DDE98B5449F549AA90D10FEF3653822C081B43@SRV00048.soton.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In the UK we would usually direct users to Ivona (http://www.ivona.com/en/voices/) or Cereproc (https://www.cereproc.com/en/storesapi). Both companies provide high SAPI quality voices at a relatively low cost although you may have to purchase in UK? or Euros. Ivona is now owned by Amazon and are the voices built into the Kindle Fire HDX devices. Best wishes Abi ====================================== Abi James Assistive Technology Consultant & Researcher British Dyslexia Association New Technologies Chair (bdatech.org) Accessibility Group, WAIS, University of Southampton From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Al Puzzuoli Sent: 09 July 2014 15:58 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 Hi Robert, There are several good options out there but unfortunately, "free" is the sticking point. NVDA have partnered with Nuance to offer the Vocalizer voices. These are quite responsive and of very high quality, but the whole package costs approximately $120.00. You may be able to purchase voices individually for less, but I'm not sure whether or not that's actually possible. Unless your student is dealing with multilingual content, Tom and Samantha would probably suffice. There are other, perhaps somewhat less expensive options available as well such as AT&T Natural Voices; but unfortunately, really nothing I can think of that's free and of any real quality. Best of luck, Al Puzzuoli Information Technologist Michigan State University, Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities, 120 Bessey Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 517-884-1915 http://www.rcpd.msu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 10:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] other voices for Windows 7 Hi all, I have a student who is wanting to get other voices to use with NVDA. He is on a Windows 7 machine and has Microsoft Anna, but would like something different. He likes the David voice that comes with Windows 8, but I'm not sure if he can install it on a Windows 7 machine. Has anybody tried this? Also, can anybody give recommendations of good voices, preferably free, for a Windows 7 system? I haven't played with any of the third-party voices in a couple of years now. Thanks for any direction you can provide. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 10:31:01 -0500 From: "Thompson, Rachel" To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Assistive tech compatibility? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, all. Many thanks to those of you who shared your expertise about onscreen keyboards and what has worked on your campus. I would like to ask for more input related to our campus-wide assistive technology proposal. We are exploring the possibility of installing the following tools campus-wide. In some cases, these tools have overlapping capabilities, but at the same time, we may have students who have experience using NVDA, but not JAWS, etc. If adding an extra tool dos not bring an added financial or support burden, we will likely include it. Click-N-Type Virtual Keyboard (may not be necessary because of native onscreen keyboard tools) JAWS MathPlayer NaturalReader NVDA Read: Outloud University Read and Write Gold Window-Eyes ZoomText At this point, we have determined cost for our campus public computers and computer classrooms. I am looking into what technical challenges or incompatibilities these programs might have that add to the workload of our campus support teams (separate for each college, libraries, central IT), As I looked at the technical requirements and common troubleshooting/support issues for each program, I came across the statement below from AI Squared?s ZoomText site. Have you had problems running multiple AT programs on your campus machines, either in an AT lab or in a computer facility used by all students/faculty/staff? We have to figure out if we are heading in a good direction. Our goal is to make it so our students and others who could benefit from the tools do not have to wait for a specific machine or go to a separate location to access the resources they need. I hope to test these tools on our most commonly used computer image and can share here any problems that arise. If there is interest. ?Compatibility with Other Accessibility Programs Most accessibility programs install a chaining display driver that is always active, whether or not the accessibility program is currently running. When two or more accessibility products are installed on the same machine, there is the potential for compatibility problems with the accessibility programs. It is also possible that installing multiple accessibility programs may cause a crash when the system boots. Some accessibility programs, including ZoomText 10, utilize DCM (Driver Chain Manager) to improve compatibility with other DCM compliant accessibility programs. ZoomText 10 utilizes DCM on Windows XP systems and Windows Vista systems that are equipped with older video hardware. If you are running other accessibility programs on your system, check with the manufactures of each program for compatibility information and upgrades recommended for improved compatibility with other accessibility programs.? From http://www.aisquared.com/support/more/release_notes#10.1 I welcome your input on this. Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu On 07/09/14, 9:17 AM, "Brad Held" wrote: Dear Rachel, My thoughts. UCF is a Windows 7 campus (for the most part; just a few Macs and Windows 8.1). With features like, resizing of the keyboard (to get larger letters), text prediction, number pad, and alternate input (hover keys and scanning), the on-screen keyboard in W7 is sufficient enough for our campus needs for accessibility and equal access. Plus it is built-in! Click-N-Type is updated and maintained, but still looks like a Windows 95 program, I am sure this is for accessibility, but still a polish image is important. The W7/8.1 and Mac on-screen keyboards look modern. Again, just my preference for campus wide. For an AT lab, I think having Click-N-Type is a good freeware solution. An even better paid solution is Applied Human Factors - REACH on-screen keyboard. It has smart keys (dictionary base spelling), smart list (solid word prediction), scanning, mouse/pointer assistance, and completely customizable with lots of templates. http://newsite.ahf-net.com/reach/ **Have to mention: The windows ease of access center is housed in the control panel. The simple command of 'Windows key + U' to access it is sometimes locked out due to administrative settings. This is a common security measure to stop students from messing up the computers in labs, etc. Work with your IT departments to ensure students have access to it. You can also add a desktop shortcut to all the programs (magnifier, narrator, speech recognition, on-screen keyboard), or make sure they can be found in the start menu under accessories. I hope this information helps. I appreciate your commitment to creating an accessible educational experience! Brad Held Assistive Technology Coordinator Student Disability Services University of Central Florida Ferrell Commons 7F, Room 185 Orlando, FL 32816-0161 (407) 823-2371 -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Rachel Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 2:28 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Onscreen Keyboard We are deciding what tools need to be on public computers campus-wide. Some suggestions from other institutions from a few years ago included Click-N-Type, but I wonder if the PC and Mac native onscreen keyboards have caught up with user needs. Do your users who prefer an onscreen keyboard use the ones included with the Mac OS or with Windows? Do you know of reasons why we would install Click-N-Type as well? http://www.lakefolks.org/cnt/ Any input would be helpful. Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 15:42:10 +0000 From: Al Puzzuoli To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Assistive tech compatibility? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Rachel, The only issue I see is with MathPlayer. Unless things have recently changed, the problem is that the plugin only works with outdated versions of Internet Explorer. I believe IE9 was the last supported version. It might be practical to designate a few stations as MathPlayer enabled, and prevent those stations from doing browser updates, but you definitely wouldn't want to roll out IE9 campus-wide! Al Puzzuoli Information Technologist Michigan State University, Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities, 120 Bessey Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 517-884-1915 http://www.rcpd.msu.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Rachel Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:31 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Assistive tech compatibility? Hi, all. Many thanks to those of you who shared your expertise about onscreen keyboards and what has worked on your campus. I would like to ask for more input related to our campus-wide assistive technology proposal. We are exploring the possibility of installing the following tools campus-wide. In some cases, these tools have overlapping capabilities, but at the same time, we may have students who have experience using NVDA, but not JAWS, etc. If adding an extra tool dos not bring an added financial or support burden, we will likely include it. Click-N-Type Virtual Keyboard (may not be necessary because of native onscreen keyboard tools) JAWS MathPlayer NaturalReader NVDA Read: Outloud University Read and Write Gold Window-Eyes ZoomText At this point, we have determined cost for our campus public computers and computer classrooms. I am looking into what technical challenges or incompatibilities these programs might have that add to the workload of our campus support teams (separate for each college, libraries, central IT), As I looked at the technical requirements and common troubleshooting/support issues for each program, I came across the statement below from AI Squared?s ZoomText site. Have you had problems running multiple AT programs on your campus machines, either in an AT lab or in a computer facility used by all students/faculty/staff? We have to figure out if we are heading in a good direction. Our goal is to make it so our students and others who could benefit from the tools do not have to wait for a specific machine or go to a separate location to access the resources they need. I hope to test these tools on our most commonly used computer image and can share here any problems that arise. If there is interest. ?Compatibility with Other Accessibility Programs Most accessibility programs install a chaining display driver that is always active, whether or not the accessibility program is currently running. When two or more accessibility products are installed on the same machine, there is the potential for compatibility problems with the accessibility programs. It is also possible that installing multiple accessibility programs may cause a crash when the system boots. Some accessibility programs, including ZoomText 10, utilize DCM (Driver Chain Manager) to improve compatibility with other DCM compliant accessibility programs. ZoomText 10 utilizes DCM on Windows XP systems and Windows Vista systems that are equipped with older video hardware. If you are running other accessibility programs on your system, check with the manufactures of each program for compatibility information and upgrades recommended for improved compatibility with other accessibility programs.? From http://www.aisquared.com/support/more/release_notes#10.1 I welcome your input on this. Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu On 07/09/14, 9:17 AM, "Brad Held" wrote: Dear Rachel, My thoughts. UCF is a Windows 7 campus (for the most part; just a few Macs and Windows 8.1). With features like, resizing of the keyboard (to get larger letters), text prediction, number pad, and alternate input (hover keys and scanning), the on-screen keyboard in W7 is sufficient enough for our campus needs for accessibility and equal access. Plus it is built-in! Click-N-Type is updated and maintained, but still looks like a Windows 95 program, I am sure this is for accessibility, but still a polish image is important. The W7/8.1 and Mac on-screen keyboards look modern. Again, just my preference for campus wide. For an AT lab, I think having Click-N-Type is a good freeware solution. An even better paid solution is Applied Human Factors - REACH on-screen keyboard. It has smart keys (dictionary base spelling), smart list (solid word prediction), scanning, mouse/pointer assistance, and completely customizable with lots of templates. http://newsite.ahf-net.com/reach/ **Have to mention: The windows ease of access center is housed in the control panel. The simple command of 'Windows key + U' to access it is sometimes locked out due to administrative settings. This is a common security measure to stop students from messing up the computers in labs, etc. Work with your IT departments to ensure students have access to it. You can also add a desktop shortcut to all the programs (magnifier, narrator, speech recognition, on-screen keyboard), or make sure they can be found in the start menu under accessories. I hope this information helps. I appreciate your commitment to creating an accessible educational experience! Brad Held Assistive Technology Coordinator Student Disability Services University of Central Florida Ferrell Commons 7F, Room 185 Orlando, FL 32816-0161 (407) 823-2371 -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Rachel Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 2:28 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Onscreen Keyboard We are deciding what tools need to be on public computers campus-wide. Some suggestions from other institutions from a few years ago included Click-N-Type, but I wonder if the PC and Mac native onscreen keyboards have caught up with user needs. Do your users who prefer an onscreen keyboard use the ones included with the Mac OS or with Windows? Do you know of reasons why we would install Click-N-Type as well? http://www.lakefolks.org/cnt/ Any input would be helpful. Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 12:07:35 -0400 From: Jeffrey Dell To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Assistive tech compatibility? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 JAWS and ZoomText will not run in Thin Client computing environments. I have not tested the other programs on think client terminals, but I don't think you will get the screen readers to work. So make sure your IT department is not running thin client computers in the computer labs. Some universities like this because it saves money on maintenance for the computer labs since only a hand full of servers need to be updated to run hundreds of computers. Our IT department runs about half of the computers in each lab like this so we were unable to role out JAWS and ZoomText on those specific machines. Jeff On 7/9/14, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi Rachel, > The only issue I see is with MathPlayer. Unless things have recently > changed, the problem is that the plugin only works with outdated > versions of Internet Explorer. I believe IE9 was the last supported > version. It might be practical to designate a few stations as > MathPlayer enabled, and prevent those stations from doing browser > updates, but you definitely wouldn't want to roll out IE9 campus-wide! > Al Puzzuoli > Information Technologist > Michigan State University, > Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities, 120 Bessey Hall East > Lansing, MI 48824-1033 > 517-884-1915 > http://www.rcpd.msu.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > Thompson, Rachel > Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2014 11:31 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Assistive tech compatibility? > > Hi, all. > > Many thanks to those of you who shared your expertise about onscreen > keyboards and what has worked on your campus. > > I would like to ask for more input related to our campus-wide > assistive technology proposal. We are exploring the possibility of > installing the following tools campus-wide. In some cases, these tools > have overlapping capabilities, but at the same time, we may have > students who have experience using NVDA, but not JAWS, etc. If adding > an extra tool dos not bring an added financial or support burden, we will likely include it. > > > > Click-N-Type Virtual Keyboard (may not be necessary because of native > onscreen keyboard tools) JAWS > > > > > MathPlayer > NaturalReader > NVDA > > > > Read: Outloud University > Read and Write Gold > > Window-Eyes > ZoomText > > > > > > At this point, we have determined cost for our campus public computers > and computer classrooms. I am looking into what technical challenges > or incompatibilities these programs might have that add to the > workload of our campus support teams (separate for each college, > libraries, central IT), As I looked at the technical requirements and > common troubleshooting/support issues for each program, I came across > the statement below from AI Squared?s ZoomText site. Have you had > problems running multiple AT programs on your campus machines, either > in an AT lab or in a computer facility used by all students/faculty/staff? > > We have to figure out if we are heading in a good direction. Our goal > is to make it so our students and others who could benefit from the > tools do not have to wait for a specific machine or go to a separate > location to access the resources they need. I hope to test these tools > on our most commonly used computer image and can share here any problems that arise. > If there is interest. > > > ?Compatibility with Other Accessibility Programs Most accessibility > programs install a chaining display driver that is always active, > whether or not the accessibility program is currently running. When > two or more accessibility products are installed on the same machine, > there is the potential for compatibility problems with the > accessibility programs. It is also possible that installing multiple > accessibility programs may cause a crash when the system boots. > > Some accessibility programs, including ZoomText 10, utilize DCM > (Driver Chain Manager) to improve compatibility with other DCM > compliant accessibility programs. ZoomText 10 utilizes DCM on Windows > XP systems and Windows Vista systems that are equipped with older video hardware. > If you are running other accessibility programs on your system, check > with the manufactures of each program for compatibility information > and upgrades recommended for improved compatibility with other accessibility programs.? > From http://www.aisquared.com/support/more/release_notes#10.1 > > I welcome your input on this. > > Rachel > > Dr. Rachel S. Thompson > Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for > Instructional Technology University of Alabama > http://accessibility.ua.edu > > > > > > > > On 07/09/14, 9:17 AM, "Brad Held" wrote: > > Dear Rachel, > My thoughts. UCF is a Windows 7 campus (for the most part; just a few > Macs and Windows 8.1). With features like, resizing of the keyboard > (to get larger letters), text prediction, number pad, and alternate > input (hover keys and scanning), the on-screen keyboard in W7 is > sufficient enough for our campus needs for accessibility and equal access. Plus it is built-in! > > Click-N-Type is updated and maintained, but still looks like a Windows > 95 program, I am sure this is for accessibility, but still a polish > image is important. The W7/8.1 and Mac on-screen keyboards look > modern. Again, just my preference for campus wide. For an AT lab, I > think having Click-N-Type is a good freeware solution. An even better > paid solution is Applied Human Factors - REACH on-screen keyboard. It > has smart keys (dictionary base spelling), smart list (solid word > prediction), scanning, mouse/pointer assistance, and completely customizable with lots of templates. > http://newsite.ahf-net.com/reach/ > > **Have to mention: The windows ease of access center is housed in the > control panel. The simple command of 'Windows key + U' to access it is > sometimes locked out due to administrative settings. This is a common > security measure to stop students from messing up the computers in > labs, etc. Work with your IT departments to ensure students have access to it. > You can also add a desktop shortcut to all the programs (magnifier, > narrator, speech recognition, on-screen keyboard), or make sure they > can be found in the start menu under accessories. > > I hope this information helps. I appreciate your commitment to > creating an accessible educational experience! > > Brad Held > Assistive Technology Coordinator > Student Disability Services > University of Central Florida > Ferrell Commons 7F, Room 185 > Orlando, FL 32816-0161 > (407) 823-2371 > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of > Thompson, Rachel > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 2:28 PM > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] Onscreen Keyboard > > We are deciding what tools need to be on public computers campus-wide. > Some suggestions from other institutions from a few years ago included > Click-N-Type, but I wonder if the PC and Mac native onscreen keyboards > have caught up with user needs. Do your users who prefer an onscreen > keyboard use the ones included with the Mac OS or with Windows? Do you > know of reasons why we would install Click-N-Type as well? > http://www.lakefolks.org/cnt/ > > Any input would be helpful. > > Rachel > > Dr. Rachel S. Thompson > Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for > Instructional Technology University of Alabama > http://accessibility.ua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list ------------------------------ End of athen-list Digest, Vol 102, Issue 7 ****************************************** From PBuchmiller at columbiabasin.edu Wed Jul 9 17:16:06 2014 From: PBuchmiller at columbiabasin.edu (Buchmiller, Peggy) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] VRI Resources Message-ID: I am looking for a reliable, quality Video Remote Sign Language Interpreting Company for our community college. If you can recommend a company you have used, please let me know. Thank you ! Peggy Buchmiller,M.Ed Assistant Dean Student Programs and Support Services Director, Resource Center Columbia Basin College 509-542-4444 pbuchmiller@columbiabasin.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mstoddar at sfu.ca Thu Jul 10 08:32:06 2014 From: mstoddar at sfu.ca (Mitchell Stoddard) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Message-ID: <945762908.8748648.1405006326904.JavaMail.root@sfu.ca> Hi Folks, I wonder if any of you are familiar with ReadSpeaker, which is a text to speech add-on for course management software? The people in our Teaching and Learning Centre, who support our LMS system (CANVAS) are considering purchasing the product and asking for input. I have seen only a few comments on another listserve...one which raised the question of the value of the software relative to use of a program such as Read and Write Gold, and one which raised issues around how ReadSpeaker handles LTI within the LMS system. I would appreciate any comments or input you may have. Warm regards, Mitchell Mitchell Stoddard, Ph.D., R. Psych. Director, Centre for Students with Disabilities Simon Fraser University 8888 University Drive (1250 MBC) Burnaby, BC V5A 1S6 Phone: 778-782-3313 Email: mitchell_stoddard@sfu.ca If we teach today as we taught yesterday, we rob our children of tomorrow" ~John Dewey This electronic mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain privileged, confidential or personal information intended only for the use of the individual, entity or organization named or addressed above. Any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, copying or action taken in reliance on the contents of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error please delete the email (from your incoming and trash files) and notify the sender immediately by email or by telephone. Thank you. From ron at altformatsolutions.com Thu Jul 10 09:11:59 2014 From: ron at altformatsolutions.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software In-Reply-To: <945762908.8748648.1405006326904.JavaMail.root@sfu.ca> References: <945762908.8748648.1405006326904.JavaMail.root@sfu.ca> Message-ID: <1df901cf9c59$ad9db510$08d91f30$@altformatsolutions.com> Products like these really do little to insure the accessibility of the content. My group has done several reviews across a variety of LMS systems where this "built in" product was provided but the sites were actually not fully accessible or properly structured in the first place. To insure the fullest accessibility in the first place the sites need to be fully designed to be conformant with WCAG 2.0 at the AA level as well as tested to insure that they are actually usable with common assistive technologies. What software like this is good for is for ELL and other similar groups that can see and effectively navigate the site and would benefit from audio reinforcement of the textual content. Now this does not speak to the course content delivered through the site, that is something that a product like this is not at all useful for since the material still needs to be properly structured and annotated with accessibility elements like alternative and descriptive text and appropriate document structure. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Mitchell Stoddard Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:32 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Hi Folks, I wonder if any of you are familiar with ReadSpeaker, which is a text to speech add-on for course management software? The people in our Teaching and Learning Centre, who support our LMS system (CANVAS) are considering purchasing the product and asking for input. I have seen only a few comments on another listserve...one which raised the question of the value of the software relative to use of a program such as Read and Write Gold, and one which raised issues around how ReadSpeaker handles LTI within the LMS system. I would appreciate any comments or input you may have. Warm regards, Mitchell Mitchell Stoddard, Ph.D., R. Psych. Director, Centre for Students with Disabilities Simon Fraser University 8888 University Drive (1250 MBC) Burnaby, BC V5A 1S6 Phone: 778-782-3313 Email: mitchell_stoddard@sfu.ca If we teach today as we taught yesterday, we rob our children of tomorrow" ~John Dewey This electronic mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain privileged, confidential or personal information intended only for the use of the individual, entity or organization named or addressed above. Any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, copying or action taken in reliance on the contents of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error please delete the email (from your incoming and trash files) and notify the sender immediately by email or by telephone. Thank you. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From susan.gjolmesli at bellevuecollege.edu Thu Jul 10 10:14:57 2014 From: susan.gjolmesli at bellevuecollege.edu (Susan Gjolmesli) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software In-Reply-To: <1df901cf9c59$ad9db510$08d91f30$@altformatsolutions.com> References: <945762908.8748648.1405006326904.JavaMail.root@sfu.ca> <1df901cf9c59$ad9db510$08d91f30$@altformatsolutions.com> Message-ID: Thank you for this excellent explanation. As a screenreader user this helps me understand the issues and complexities much better. Our campus uses Canvas as its LMS system. Our approach to everything is rather decentralized...I am drawing strength from all of you to develop and implement better practices here. Thank you all. Susan Gjolmesli, Director Disability Resource Center Bellevue College Bellevue, Washington -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:12 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Products like these really do little to insure the accessibility of the content. My group has done several reviews across a variety of LMS systems where this "built in" product was provided but the sites were actually not fully accessible or properly structured in the first place. To insure the fullest accessibility in the first place the sites need to be fully designed to be conformant with WCAG 2.0 at the AA level as well as tested to insure that they are actually usable with common assistive technologies. What software like this is good for is for ELL and other similar groups that can see and effectively navigate the site and would benefit from audio reinforcement of the textual content. Now this does not speak to the course content delivered through the site, that is something that a product like this is not at all useful for since the material still needs to be properly structured and annotated with accessibility elements like alternative and descriptive text and appropriate document structure. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Mitchell Stoddard Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:32 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Hi Folks, I wonder if any of you are familiar with ReadSpeaker, which is a text to speech add-on for course management software? The people in our Teaching and Learning Centre, who support our LMS system (CANVAS) are considering purchasing the product and asking for input. I have seen only a few comments on another listserve...one which raised the question of the value of the software relative to use of a program such as Read and Write Gold, and one which raised issues around how ReadSpeaker handles LTI within the LMS system. I would appreciate any comments or input you may have. Warm regards, Mitchell Mitchell Stoddard, Ph.D., R. Psych. Director, Centre for Students with Disabilities Simon Fraser University 8888 University Drive (1250 MBC) Burnaby, BC V5A 1S6 Phone: 778-782-3313 Email: mitchell_stoddard@sfu.ca If we teach today as we taught yesterday, we rob our children of tomorrow" ~John Dewey This electronic mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain privileged, confidential or personal information intended only for the use of the individual, entity or organization named or addressed above. Any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, copying or action taken in reliance on the contents of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error please delete the email (from your incoming and trash files) and notify the sender immediately by email or by telephone. Thank you. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From alpuzz at msu.edu Thu Jul 10 10:39:20 2014 From: alpuzz at msu.edu (Al Puzzuoli) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Which Software are folks using for Ebook Production? Message-ID: Hi everyone, We are currently using a version of ABBYY Finereader that is several years old. We are trying to decide whether we should upgrade to ABBYY 12, or consider other options, such as the dolphin and IRTI products. We would like flexibility to produce well marked up content in whatever format the student requests, while still maintaining a workflow that is as simple as possible. I'd be curious as to what others are using, and what the advantages, as well as disadvantages are to those products. Many thanks, Al Puzzuoli Information Technologist Michigan State University, Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities, 120 Bessey Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 517-884-1915 http://www.rcpd.msu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB624@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> References: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB624@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: Thanks Susan, Just curious, what do you prefer about Omnipage? --Al From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:49 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Which Software are folks using for Ebook Production? I personally believe in a broad arsenal of tools. We have Abbyy, but we also have Omnipage (we just upgraded to 19), and the full version of Adobe Acrobat Professional. We use Omnipage the most, but Abbyy is a fine tool as well. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronrstewart at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 11:02:17 2014 From: ronrstewart at gmail.com (Ron) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Which Software are folks using for Ebook Production? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would go the Abby route, the Dolphin product uses Word as the intermediate environment and you do not have the level of control of the OCR process that you really need. I have not been following the Eclipse product of late but the last time I looked it used proprietary markup that required their reader to fully utilize. If your end goal is Daisy then you can use the save as daisy plugin to achieve similar but much more flexible outcomes. Ron Stewart On Thursday, July 10, 2014, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We are currently using a version of ABBYY Finereader that is several years > old. We are trying to decide whether we should upgrade to ABBYY 12, or > consider other options, such as the dolphin and IRTI products. We would > like flexibility to produce well marked up content in whatever format the > student requests, while still maintaining a workflow that is as simple as > possible. I?d be curious as to what others are using, and what the > advantages, as well as disadvantages are to those products. > > Many thanks, > > Al Puzzuoli > > Information Technologist > > Michigan State University, > > Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities, 120 Bessey Hall East > Lansing, MI 48824-1033 > > 517-884-1915 > > http://www.rcpd.msu.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronrstewart at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 11:05:22 2014 From: ronrstewart at gmail.com (Ron) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Which Software are folks using for Ebook Production? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As to you OCR product each has its strength and weaknesses. For staff without a high level of technology comfort I would stick with ABBYY, for complex content or small fonts Omni is the better choice but has a pretty steep learning curve. Ron Stewart On Thursday, July 10, 2014, Ron wrote: > I would go the Abby route, the Dolphin product uses Word as the > intermediate environment and you do not have the level of control of the > OCR process that you really need. I have not been following the Eclipse > product of late but the last time I looked it used proprietary markup that > required their reader to fully utilize. > > If your end goal is Daisy then you can use the save as daisy plugin to > achieve similar but much more flexible outcomes. > > Ron Stewart > > On Thursday, July 10, 2014, Al Puzzuoli > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> We are currently using a version of ABBYY Finereader that is several >> years old. We are trying to decide whether we should upgrade to ABBYY 12, >> or consider other options, such as the dolphin and IRTI products. We would >> like flexibility to produce well marked up content in whatever format the >> student requests, while still maintaining a workflow that is as simple as >> possible. I?d be curious as to what others are using, and what the >> advantages, as well as disadvantages are to those products. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Al Puzzuoli >> >> Information Technologist >> >> Michigan State University, >> >> Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities, 120 Bessey Hall East >> Lansing, MI 48824-1033 >> >> 517-884-1915 >> >> http://www.rcpd.msu.edu >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at Colorado.EDU Thu Jul 10 11:07:15 2014 From: Susan.Kelmer at Colorado.EDU (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Which Software are folks using for Ebook Production? In-Reply-To: References: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB624@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB626@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> I've used Omnipage longer, and it has a batch function that I really like (I can batch OCR overnight and come in to find files ready to be worked on). I also like how it deals with tables. That being said, Abbyy is awesome for foreign languages. It is also a lot more user-friendly than Omnipage, but I'm use to Omni so I usually use it before I go to Abbyy. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronrstewart at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 11:14:47 2014 From: ronrstewart at gmail.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Which Software are folks using for Ebook Production? In-Reply-To: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB626@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> References: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB624@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB626@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <1f2d01cf9c6a$d6115400$8233fc00$@gmail.com> My preference as well, been using it since V2, and its batch processing features are awesome. If you purchase the corporate addition of Abbyy you get some of the same functionality but definitely not as integrated. Ron Stewart From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:07 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Which Software are folks using for Ebook Production? I've used Omnipage longer, and it has a batch function that I really like (I can batch OCR overnight and come in to find files ready to be worked on). I also like how it deals with tables. That being said, Abbyy is awesome for foreign languages. It is also a lot more user-friendly than Omnipage, but I'm use to Omni so I usually use it before I go to Abbyy. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yamanise at lcc.edu Thu Jul 10 12:10:42 2014 From: yamanise at lcc.edu (Evan S Yamanishi) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Which Software are folks using for Ebook Production? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6b7f4d34c4cf4bb7a5ab5c704cdf11d1@BLUPR07MB484.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Hey Al, I just today submitted a purchase order for ABBYY FineReader 12 Corporate. It was a difficult decision to choose between OmniPage and FineReader since they have essentially the same features, but in the end it came down to a few factors: 1. Price: FineReader Corporate is $400, while OmniPage Ultimate is $500. 2. Licensing: FineReader Corporate has more licensing options, allowing us to adjust our implementation more easily. I especially like the LAN-managed license control, which OmniPage doesn't appear to have (I couldn't find it, and their customer support wasn't much help either). 3. Company direction: This is certainly not important to everyone, but I like the fact that ABBYY is a relatively small company dedicated to OCR. Nuance is roughly 10 times as big as ABBYY, and they have their hands in a lot more than just OCR. In the end I think either option would be great. You're more than welcome to come down to LCC to try it out, assuming you can wait until we get it! Evan Yamanishi Coordinator of Reader Services Office of Disability Support Services Lansing Community College (517) 483-5263 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Al Puzzuoli Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:39 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Which Software are folks using for Ebook Production? Hi everyone, We are currently using a version of ABBYY Finereader that is several years old. We are trying to decide whether we should upgrade to ABBYY 12, or consider other options, such as the dolphin and IRTI products. We would like flexibility to produce well marked up content in whatever format the student requests, while still maintaining a workflow that is as simple as possible. I'd be curious as to what others are using, and what the advantages, as well as disadvantages are to those products. Many thanks, Al Puzzuoli Information Technologist Michigan State University, Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities, 120 Bessey Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 517-884-1915 http://www.rcpd.msu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adwershing at pstcc.edu Thu Jul 10 13:41:05 2014 From: adwershing at pstcc.edu (Wershing, Alice D.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software In-Reply-To: <1df901cf9c59$ad9db510$08d91f30$@altformatsolutions.com> References: <945762908.8748648.1405006326904.JavaMail.root@sfu.ca> <1df901cf9c59$ad9db510$08d91f30$@altformatsolutions.com> Message-ID: <04339d08183440cf9191e7faa4010ef9@EXMAIL01.pstcc.edu> Has anyone used BrowseAloud on their site? We have just completed testing and ran into some issues with D2L. The company is trying to see why we ran into these issues, but I thought I'd also see what people thought. There is a comparison of ReadSpeaker and Browsealoud on the web that I found, but would welcome other comments. Alice Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. Technology Specialist Disability Services Pellissippi State Community College 10915 Hardin Valley Road Knoxville TN 37933-0990 (865) 694-6751 Access for All Blog http://blogs.pstcc.edu/access4all/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 12:12 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Products like these really do little to insure the accessibility of the content. My group has done several reviews across a variety of LMS systems where this "built in" product was provided but the sites were actually not fully accessible or properly structured in the first place. To insure the fullest accessibility in the first place the sites need to be fully designed to be conformant with WCAG 2.0 at the AA level as well as tested to insure that they are actually usable with common assistive technologies. What software like this is good for is for ELL and other similar groups that can see and effectively navigate the site and would benefit from audio reinforcement of the textual content. Now this does not speak to the course content delivered through the site, that is something that a product like this is not at all useful for since the material still needs to be properly structured and annotated with accessibility elements like alternative and descriptive text and appropriate document structure. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Mitchell Stoddard Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:32 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Hi Folks, I wonder if any of you are familiar with ReadSpeaker, which is a text to speech add-on for course management software? The people in our Teaching and Learning Centre, who support our LMS system (CANVAS) are considering purchasing the product and asking for input. I have seen only a few comments on another listserve...one which raised the question of the value of the software relative to use of a program such as Read and Write Gold, and one which raised issues around how ReadSpeaker handles LTI within the LMS system. I would appreciate any comments or input you may have. Warm regards, Mitchell Mitchell Stoddard, Ph.D., R. Psych. Director, Centre for Students with Disabilities Simon Fraser University 8888 University Drive (1250 MBC) Burnaby, BC V5A 1S6 Phone: 778-782-3313 Email: mitchell_stoddard@sfu.ca If we teach today as we taught yesterday, we rob our children of tomorrow" ~John Dewey This electronic mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain privileged, confidential or personal information intended only for the use of the individual, entity or organization named or addressed above. Any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, copying or action taken in reliance on the contents of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error please delete the email (from your incoming and trash files) and notify the sender immediately by email or by telephone. Thank you. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From ea at emptech.info Thu Jul 10 14:22:32 2014 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A.Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software In-Reply-To: <04339d08183440cf9191e7faa4010ef9@EXMAIL01.pstcc.edu> References: <945762908.8748648.1405006326904.JavaMail.root@sfu.ca> <1df901cf9c59$ad9db510$08d91f30$@altformatsolutions.com> <04339d08183440cf9191e7faa4010ef9@EXMAIL01.pstcc.edu> Message-ID: <000001cf9c85$11db4580$3591d080$@emptech.info> I think Ron is right about all these technologies - and I say that having been involved in the development of the free open source ATbar (https://www.atbar.org/) If the learning platform has complex iframes, flash and other elements that do not allow the script to launch or adapt the CSS to suit personal preferences or even to read content with the use of TTS, then the user's assistive technologies could also fail to access the materials. However, companies can adapt their software to work with requested sites as has happened with Google Docs and Texthelp's Read&Write. http://www.texthelp.com/north-america/readwriteforgoogle/ I have used both BrowseAloud and ReadSpeaker and each has useful features - the former offers a bit more with translation, a screen ruler and de-cluttering of the site in addition to the TTS, saving to MP3 and highlighting of text as it is read aloud. We have found that these tools can help those with dyslexia (LD) and those who want to change the look and feel of the site in a more basic way such as have a coloured overlay or de-clutter to aid readability. Sometimes students forget to load up their personal AT and the small browser based bookmarklet or favorite can be quite useful - no download or impact on network security and we have ATbar on our university website under accessibility tools http://www.southampton.ac.uk/ but I would never say these tools replace the use of more powerful commercially available AT that is well supported and maintained. Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103 http://access.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: 10 July 2014 21:41 To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Has anyone used BrowseAloud on their site? We have just completed testing and ran into some issues with D2L. The company is trying to see why we ran into these issues, but I thought I'd also see what people thought. There is a comparison of ReadSpeaker and Browsealoud on the web that I found, but would welcome other comments. Alice Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. Technology Specialist Disability Services Pellissippi State Community College 10915 Hardin Valley Road Knoxville TN 37933-0990 (865) 694-6751 Access for All Blog http://blogs.pstcc.edu/access4all/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 12:12 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Products like these really do little to insure the accessibility of the content. My group has done several reviews across a variety of LMS systems where this "built in" product was provided but the sites were actually not fully accessible or properly structured in the first place. To insure the fullest accessibility in the first place the sites need to be fully designed to be conformant with WCAG 2.0 at the AA level as well as tested to insure that they are actually usable with common assistive technologies. What software like this is good for is for ELL and other similar groups that can see and effectively navigate the site and would benefit from audio reinforcement of the textual content. Now this does not speak to the course content delivered through the site, that is something that a product like this is not at all useful for since the material still needs to be properly structured and annotated with accessibility elements like alternative and descriptive text and appropriate document structure. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Mitchell Stoddard Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:32 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Hi Folks, I wonder if any of you are familiar with ReadSpeaker, which is a text to speech add-on for course management software? The people in our Teaching and Learning Centre, who support our LMS system (CANVAS) are considering purchasing the product and asking for input. I have seen only a few comments on another listserve...one which raised the question of the value of the software relative to use of a program such as Read and Write Gold, and one which raised issues around how ReadSpeaker handles LTI within the LMS system. I would appreciate any comments or input you may have. Warm regards, Mitchell Mitchell Stoddard, Ph.D., R. Psych. Director, Centre for Students with Disabilities Simon Fraser University 8888 University Drive (1250 MBC) Burnaby, BC V5A 1S6 Phone: 778-782-3313 Email: mitchell_stoddard@sfu.ca If we teach today as we taught yesterday, we rob our children of tomorrow" ~John Dewey This electronic mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain privileged, confidential or personal information intended only for the use of the individual, entity or organization named or addressed above. Any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, copying or action taken in reliance on the contents of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error please delete the email (from your incoming and trash files) and notify the sender immediately by email or by telephone. Thank you. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From ron at altformatsolutions.com Thu Jul 10 14:28:39 2014 From: ron at altformatsolutions.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software In-Reply-To: <04339d08183440cf9191e7faa4010ef9@EXMAIL01.pstcc.edu> References: <945762908.8748648.1405006326904.JavaMail.root@sfu.ca> <1df901cf9c59$ad9db510$08d91f30$@altformatsolutions.com> <04339d08183440cf9191e7faa4010ef9@EXMAIL01.pstcc.edu> Message-ID: <209701cf9c85$eaa9e560$bffdb020$@altformatsolutions.com> The situation is exactly the same. To add a little more detail you really need a screen reader to properly navigate an LMS and its content in audio. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 3:41 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Has anyone used BrowseAloud on their site? We have just completed testing and ran into some issues with D2L. The company is trying to see why we ran into these issues, but I thought I'd also see what people thought. There is a comparison of ReadSpeaker and Browsealoud on the web that I found, but would welcome other comments. Alice Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. Technology Specialist Disability Services Pellissippi State Community College 10915 Hardin Valley Road Knoxville TN 37933-0990 (865) 694-6751 Access for All Blog http://blogs.pstcc.edu/access4all/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 12:12 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Products like these really do little to insure the accessibility of the content. My group has done several reviews across a variety of LMS systems where this "built in" product was provided but the sites were actually not fully accessible or properly structured in the first place. To insure the fullest accessibility in the first place the sites need to be fully designed to be conformant with WCAG 2.0 at the AA level as well as tested to insure that they are actually usable with common assistive technologies. What software like this is good for is for ELL and other similar groups that can see and effectively navigate the site and would benefit from audio reinforcement of the textual content. Now this does not speak to the course content delivered through the site, that is something that a product like this is not at all useful for since the material still needs to be properly structured and annotated with accessibility elements like alternative and descriptive text and appropriate document structure. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Mitchell Stoddard Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:32 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Hi Folks, I wonder if any of you are familiar with ReadSpeaker, which is a text to speech add-on for course management software? The people in our Teaching and Learning Centre, who support our LMS system (CANVAS) are considering purchasing the product and asking for input. I have seen only a few comments on another listserve...one which raised the question of the value of the software relative to use of a program such as Read and Write Gold, and one which raised issues around how ReadSpeaker handles LTI within the LMS system. I would appreciate any comments or input you may have. Warm regards, Mitchell Mitchell Stoddard, Ph.D., R. Psych. Director, Centre for Students with Disabilities Simon Fraser University 8888 University Drive (1250 MBC) Burnaby, BC V5A 1S6 Phone: 778-782-3313 Email: mitchell_stoddard@sfu.ca If we teach today as we taught yesterday, we rob our children of tomorrow" ~John Dewey This electronic mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain privileged, confidential or personal information intended only for the use of the individual, entity or organization named or addressed above. Any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, copying or action taken in reliance on the contents of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error please delete the email (from your incoming and trash files) and notify the sender immediately by email or by telephone. Thank you. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From blrichwine at gmail.com Thu Jul 10 14:51:31 2014 From: blrichwine at gmail.com (Brian Richwine) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Which Software are folks using for Ebook Production? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone, We processed just over 75,000 pages of print materials through ABBYY in the past year for our students with visual impairments. Our process is generally scanning materials in ABBYY or processing a PDF in ABBYY and then working with the document in Microsoft Word. We've used ABBYY for years, and actually our staff prefer to use version 9. They despised versions 10 and 11 due to changes in the ABBYY UI relating to how easy it is to set the order of text recognition blocks. Version 12 is the first version since version 9 that our staff will use. Our editing staff finds they have to spend more time cleaning up the formatting that Version 12 provides than they did in version 9 of ABBYY. Since we are interested in creating a linear, very accessible result, sometimes you have to fight the page formatting that ABBYY and Omnipage provide. We try Omnipage once in a while and our editing staff report not being able to get a word document that is efficient to work with. Word is simply the easiest editing platform for our student editing staff to work in, so we use it as the main editing and formatting tool for almost all of our final alternate media types. As a tool, students are already familiar with it so training can start from there and focus more on the document needs than the tool. It handles multiple languages, we can use MathType for entering math. And we can easily handle page numbering and heading levels to provide for needed document navigation features. We've found that our students with visual impairments prefer having complex or large tables linearized or described instead of marked up accessibly as tables, so the lack of good table markup features in Word hasn't been an issue for us. This works because we make our alternate media for a specific student's needs/preferences and not as a universally accessible document. >From word we can output the result to Word, Daisy, EPUB, PDF, import into duxbury braille software, print in large print, and convert to MP3. The vast number of our clients get the word files we produce, a braille ready file (.brf), or braille. We have a couple users that prefer EPUB so they can access texts via their iOS devices. The EPUB works better than the PDFs converted from word for this (reading it with iBooks or other EPUB iOS apps). -Brian Manager, UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers Indiana University ? Bloomington / Indianapolis http://iuadapts.iu.edu (812) 856-2757 [Direct Line] (812) 856-4112 [Office Number] brichwin@iu.edu On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We are currently using a version of ABBYY Finereader that is several years > old. We are trying to decide whether we should upgrade to ABBYY 12, or > consider other options, such as the dolphin and IRTI products. We would > like flexibility to produce well marked up content in whatever format the > student requests, while still maintaining a workflow that is as simple as > possible. I?d be curious as to what others are using, and what the > advantages, as well as disadvantages are to those products. > > Many thanks, > > Al Puzzuoli > > Information Technologist > > Michigan State University, > > Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities, 120 Bessey Hall East > Lansing, MI 48824-1033 > > 517-884-1915 > > http://www.rcpd.msu.edu > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From susan.gjolmesli at bellevuecollege.edu Thu Jul 10 15:39:57 2014 From: susan.gjolmesli at bellevuecollege.edu (Susan Gjolmesli) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software In-Reply-To: <209701cf9c85$eaa9e560$bffdb020$@altformatsolutions.com> References: <945762908.8748648.1405006326904.JavaMail.root@sfu.ca> <1df901cf9c59$ad9db510$08d91f30$@altformatsolutions.com> <04339d08183440cf9191e7faa4010ef9@EXMAIL01.pstcc.edu> <209701cf9c85$eaa9e560$bffdb020$@altformatsolutions.com> Message-ID: THisis true. Just because something reads doesn't make is navigable. Unplug the mouse, turn off the screen and then test it. AS someone who is blind and uses Jaws, and can't access a lot of stuff - I feel that's the only way to truly test these products. -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 2:29 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software The situation is exactly the same. To add a little more detail you really need a screen reader to properly navigate an LMS and its content in audio. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 3:41 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Has anyone used BrowseAloud on their site? We have just completed testing and ran into some issues with D2L. The company is trying to see why we ran into these issues, but I thought I'd also see what people thought. There is a comparison of ReadSpeaker and Browsealoud on the web that I found, but would welcome other comments. Alice Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. Technology Specialist Disability Services Pellissippi State Community College 10915 Hardin Valley Road Knoxville TN 37933-0990 (865) 694-6751 Access for All Blog http://blogs.pstcc.edu/access4all/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 12:12 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Products like these really do little to insure the accessibility of the content. My group has done several reviews across a variety of LMS systems where this "built in" product was provided but the sites were actually not fully accessible or properly structured in the first place. To insure the fullest accessibility in the first place the sites need to be fully designed to be conformant with WCAG 2.0 at the AA level as well as tested to insure that they are actually usable with common assistive technologies. What software like this is good for is for ELL and other similar groups that can see and effectively navigate the site and would benefit from audio reinforcement of the textual content. Now this does not speak to the course content delivered through the site, that is something that a product like this is not at all useful for since the material still needs to be properly structured and annotated with accessibility elements like alternative and descriptive text and appropriate document structure. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Mitchell Stoddard Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:32 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Hi Folks, I wonder if any of you are familiar with ReadSpeaker, which is a text to speech add-on for course management software? The people in our Teaching and Learning Centre, who support our LMS system (CANVAS) are considering purchasing the product and asking for input. I have seen only a few comments on another listserve...one which raised the question of the value of the software relative to use of a program such as Read and Write Gold, and one which raised issues around how ReadSpeaker handles LTI within the LMS system. I would appreciate any comments or input you may have. Warm regards, Mitchell Mitchell Stoddard, Ph.D., R. Psych. Director, Centre for Students with Disabilities Simon Fraser University 8888 University Drive (1250 MBC) Burnaby, BC V5A 1S6 Phone: 778-782-3313 Email: mitchell_stoddard@sfu.ca If we teach today as we taught yesterday, we rob our children of tomorrow" ~John Dewey This electronic mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain privileged, confidential or personal information intended only for the use of the individual, entity or organization named or addressed above. Any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, copying or action taken in reliance on the contents of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error please delete the email (from your incoming and trash files) and notify the sender immediately by email or by telephone. Thank you. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From Derek.Chaves at umassmed.edu Fri Jul 11 10:00:54 2014 From: Derek.Chaves at umassmed.edu (Chaves, Derek) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software In-Reply-To: References: <945762908.8748648.1405006326904.JavaMail.root@sfu.ca> <1df901cf9c59$ad9db510$08d91f30$@altformatsolutions.com> <04339d08183440cf9191e7faa4010ef9@EXMAIL01.pstcc.edu> <209701cf9c85$eaa9e560$bffdb020$@altformatsolutions.com> Message-ID: We recently purchased 10 licenses of readspeaker for various projects with audiences that have intellectual or developmental disabilities. I don't think it's the best technology for visually impaired users, but it greatly improves the cognitive accessibility of the site(s). With large applications such as learning management systems, there is no replacement for a screen reader locally installed on the users machine. I would recommend readspeaker for any site that may have users with ID or DD. Sincerely, Derek Chaves Director of Technology UMass Medical School E. K. Shriver Center INDEX 55 Lake Avenue North, S3-WS9 Worcester, MA? 01655 Ph:? 774-455-4003 Derek.Chaves@umassmed.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Gjolmesli Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 6:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software THisis true. Just because something reads doesn't make is navigable. Unplug the mouse, turn off the screen and then test it. AS someone who is blind and uses Jaws, and can't access a lot of stuff - I feel that's the only way to truly test these products. -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 2:29 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software The situation is exactly the same. To add a little more detail you really need a screen reader to properly navigate an LMS and its content in audio. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 3:41 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Has anyone used BrowseAloud on their site? We have just completed testing and ran into some issues with D2L. The company is trying to see why we ran into these issues, but I thought I'd also see what people thought. There is a comparison of ReadSpeaker and Browsealoud on the web that I found, but would welcome other comments. Alice Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. Technology Specialist Disability Services Pellissippi State Community College 10915 Hardin Valley Road Knoxville TN 37933-0990 (865) 694-6751 Access for All Blog http://blogs.pstcc.edu/access4all/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 12:12 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Products like these really do little to insure the accessibility of the content. My group has done several reviews across a variety of LMS systems where this "built in" product was provided but the sites were actually not fully accessible or properly structured in the first place. To insure the fullest accessibility in the first place the sites need to be fully designed to be conformant with WCAG 2.0 at the AA level as well as tested to insure that they are actually usable with common assistive technologies. What software like this is good for is for ELL and other similar groups that can see and effectively navigate the site and would benefit from audio reinforcement of the textual content. Now this does not speak to the course content delivered through the site, that is something that a product like this is not at all useful for since the material still needs to be properly structured and annotated with accessibility elements like alternative and descriptive text and appropriate document structure. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Mitchell Stoddard Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:32 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Hi Folks, I wonder if any of you are familiar with ReadSpeaker, which is a text to speech add-on for course management software? The people in our Teaching and Learning Centre, who support our LMS system (CANVAS) are considering purchasing the product and asking for input. I have seen only a few comments on another listserve...one which raised the question of the value of the software relative to use of a program such as Read and Write Gold, and one which raised issues around how ReadSpeaker handles LTI within the LMS system. I would appreciate any comments or input you may have. Warm regards, Mitchell Mitchell Stoddard, Ph.D., R. Psych. Director, Centre for Students with Disabilities Simon Fraser University 8888 University Drive (1250 MBC) Burnaby, BC V5A 1S6 Phone: 778-782-3313 Email: mitchell_stoddard@sfu.ca If we teach today as we taught yesterday, we rob our children of tomorrow" ~John Dewey This electronic mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain privileged, confidential or personal information intended only for the use of the individual, entity or organization named or addressed above. Any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, copying or action taken in reliance on the contents of this communication by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error please delete the email (from your incoming and trash files) and notify the sender immediately by email or by telephone. Thank you. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From gdietrich at htctu.net Fri Jul 11 18:22:49 2014 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Statewide accessibility training center In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <017901cf9d6f$cbb437b0$631ca710$@htctu.net> Happy to talk to you about it, Wink. (And, just FYI, Sean only ?predated? me at the HTCTU by a couple of months. ;-) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich 408-996-6047 or 408-996-4636 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 4:03 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Statewide accessibility training center James Bailey would be a good person to talk to he was working in the area at the time and also knew Carl Brown. Also perhaps Sean Keegan. His time at the HTCTU predates Gaeir's. The Tech Act projects were designed to just this thing, but where never adequately funded. There are also some good models in the K-12 system but they are K-12 only. The funding challenge is going to be what target population will you serve, if it is all then you are going to have to figure out the political conflicts and the conflicts inherent in the various laws that govern public funding streams. Private public partnership would be the way to go in my mind. Interesting concept, one many have tried, including me within the educational space. Let's keep the conversation going. Ron Stewart On Thursday, July 3, 2014, Wink Harner wrote: Wouldn't that be wonderful! I'm sure Gaier can share how the High Tech center came into being. It's highly probable "we" (in the field) could write/apply for a grant to get it started. Wink Wink Harner foreigntype@gmail.com Wink Wink Harner foreigntype@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Once the grant ran out for the HTCTU, costs were picked up by the CCC Chancellor?s Office. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich 408-996-6047 or 408-996-4636 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karen Sorensen Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 4:15 PM To: The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group Listserv; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessibility Centers Hi - I have a dream of a statewide or at least a college-wide accessibility center where: * faculty can get training on accessible course content creation, * end user testing of dynamic products and tools can be done, * and hosting of special projects like Subject area accessibility studies can be managed. Our director has asked if there are other centers like this that I know of. I know of the High Tech Center in California and DO-It at Univ. of WA, but are there others? How did these and others get started? Who runs them? Thanks everyone! Best, Karen Karen M. Sorensen Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses www.pcc.edu/access Portland Community College 971-722-4720 "The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect.? Tim Berners-Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronrstewart at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 18:45:06 2014 From: ronrstewart at gmail.com (Ron) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Statewide accessibility training center In-Reply-To: <017901cf9d6f$cbb437b0$631ca710$@htctu.net> References: <017901cf9d6f$cbb437b0$631ca710$@htctu.net> Message-ID: Its been a long time, so I stand corrected. :-) On Jul 11, 2014 8:28 PM, "Gaeir Dietrich" wrote: > Happy to talk to you about it, Wink. > > > > (And, just FYI, Sean only ?predated? me at the HTCTU by a couple of > months. ;-) > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich > 408-996-6047 or 408-996-4636 > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Ron > *Sent:* Friday, July 04, 2014 4:03 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Statewide accessibility training center > > > > James Bailey would be a good person to talk to he was working in the area > at the time and also knew Carl Brown. Also perhaps Sean Keegan. His time at > the HTCTU predates Gaeir's. > > > > The Tech Act projects were designed to just this thing, but where never > adequately funded. There are also some good models in the K-12 system but > they are K-12 only. > > > > The funding challenge is going to be what target population will you > serve, if it is all then you are going to have to figure out the political > conflicts and the conflicts inherent in the various laws that govern public > funding streams. Private public partnership would be the way to go in my > mind. > > > > Interesting concept, one many have tried, including me within the > educational space. Let's keep the conversation going. > > > > Ron Stewart > > > > On Thursday, July 3, 2014, Wink Harner wrote: > > Wouldn't that be wonderful! I'm sure Gaier can share how the High Tech > center came into being. It's highly probable "we" (in the field) could > write/apply for a grant to get it started. > > Wink > > Wink Harner > > foreigntype@gmail.com > > > Wink > > Wink Harner > > foreigntype@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Fri Jul 11 18:59:12 2014 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Statewide accessibility training center In-Reply-To: <017901cf9d6f$cbb437b0$631ca710$@htctu.net> References: <017901cf9d6f$cbb437b0$631ca710$@htctu.net> Message-ID: <18FB631D-3828-4F4C-B516-430ACECF2072@gmail.com> Are you anywhere close to a phone this weekend? I'm up in Portland and plotting my next steps! 480-984-0034 Wink Wink Harner foreigntype@gmail.com > On Jul 11, 2014, at 6:22 PM, "Gaeir Dietrich" wrote: > > Happy to talk to you about it, Wink. > > (And, just FYI, Sean only ?predated? me at the HTCTU by a couple of months. ;-) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich > 408-996-6047 or 408-996-4636 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 4:03 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Statewide accessibility training center > > James Bailey would be a good person to talk to he was working in the area at the time and also knew Carl Brown. Also perhaps Sean Keegan. His time at the HTCTU predates Gaeir's. > > The Tech Act projects were designed to just this thing, but where never adequately funded. There are also some good models in the K-12 system but they are K-12 only. > > The funding challenge is going to be what target population will you serve, if it is all then you are going to have to figure out the political conflicts and the conflicts inherent in the various laws that govern public funding streams. Private public partnership would be the way to go in my mind. > > Interesting concept, one many have tried, including me within the educational space. Let's keep the conversation going. > > Ron Stewart > > > On Thursday, July 3, 2014, Wink Harner wrote: > Wouldn't that be wonderful! I'm sure Gaier can share how the High Tech center came into being. It's highly probable "we" (in the field) could write/apply for a grant to get it started. > > Wink > Wink Harner > foreigntype@gmail.com > > Wink > Wink Harner > foreigntype@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Fri Jul 11 18:58:13 2014 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Statewide accessibility training center In-Reply-To: References: <017901cf9d6f$cbb437b0$631ca710$@htctu.net> Message-ID: <021201cf9d74$bd91f460$38b5dd20$@htctu.net> You weren?t wrong?Sean and I used to joke that he was the trainer with the most seniority?even if I was the more senior. ;-) Seriously, though, it was a great model. I do not know how voc rehab functions in other state, though, so I?m not sure how replicable it might be. The strategy that Carl proposed was that since computers and technology were clearly a growth industry and provided a very marketable skill it made sense for the dept of rehabilitation to leverage their resources by creating support for all the CCCs (about 102 at the time and 112 now). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich 408-996-6047 or 408-996-4636 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 6:45 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Statewide accessibility training center Its been a long time, so I stand corrected. :-) On Jul 11, 2014 8:28 PM, "Gaeir Dietrich" wrote: Happy to talk to you about it, Wink. (And, just FYI, Sean only ?predated? me at the HTCTU by a couple of months. ;-) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich 408-996-6047 or 408-996-4636 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 4:03 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Statewide accessibility training center James Bailey would be a good person to talk to he was working in the area at the time and also knew Carl Brown. Also perhaps Sean Keegan. His time at the HTCTU predates Gaeir's. The Tech Act projects were designed to just this thing, but where never adequately funded. There are also some good models in the K-12 system but they are K-12 only. The funding challenge is going to be what target population will you serve, if it is all then you are going to have to figure out the political conflicts and the conflicts inherent in the various laws that govern public funding streams. Private public partnership would be the way to go in my mind. Interesting concept, one many have tried, including me within the educational space. Let's keep the conversation going. Ron Stewart On Thursday, July 3, 2014, Wink Harner wrote: Wouldn't that be wonderful! I'm sure Gaier can share how the High Tech center came into being. It's highly probable "we" (in the field) could write/apply for a grant to get it started. Wink Wink Harner foreigntype@gmail.com Wink Wink Harner foreigntype@gmail.com _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ea at emptech.info Sat Jul 12 14:31:59 2014 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A.Draffan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software In-Reply-To: References: <945762908.8748648.1405006326904.JavaMail.root@sfu.ca> <1df901cf9c59$ad9db510$08d91f30$@altformatsolutions.com> <04339d08183440cf9191e7faa4010ef9@EXMAIL01.pstcc.edu> <209701cf9c85$eaa9e560$bffdb020$@altformatsolutions.com> Message-ID: <007401cf9e18$b6cf0ce0$246d26a0$@emptech.info> Just as a little note both BrowseAloud and ReadSpeaker are not designed for those who require a screen reader as they are only used once you have reached the website. They are really designed to help those who need reading support for the content rather than navigational support. Best wishes E.A. Mrs E.A. Draffan WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103 http://access.ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.emptech.info -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Gjolmesli Sent: 10 July 2014 23:40 To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software THisis true. Just because something reads doesn't make is navigable. Unplug the mouse, turn off the screen and then test it. AS someone who is blind and uses Jaws, and can't access a lot of stuff - I feel that's the only way to truly test these products. -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 2:29 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software The situation is exactly the same. To add a little more detail you really need a screen reader to properly navigate an LMS and its content in audio. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 3:41 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Has anyone used BrowseAloud on their site? We have just completed testing and ran into some issues with D2L. The company is trying to see why we ran into these issues, but I thought I'd also see what people thought. There is a comparison of ReadSpeaker and Browsealoud on the web that I found, but would welcome other comments. Alice Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. Technology Specialist Disability Services Pellissippi State Community College 10915 Hardin Valley Road Knoxville TN 37933-0990 (865) 694-6751 Access for All Blog http://blogs.pstcc.edu/access4all/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 12:12 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Products like these really do little to insure the accessibility of the content. My group has done several reviews across a variety of LMS systems where this "built in" product was provided but the sites were actually not fully accessible or properly structured in the first place. To insure the fullest accessibility in the first place the sites need to be fully designed to be conformant with WCAG 2.0 at the AA level as well as tested to insure that they are actually usable with common assistive technologies. What software like this is good for is for ELL and other similar groups that can see and effectively navigate the site and would benefit from audio reinforcement of the textual content. Now this does not speak to the course content delivered through the site, that is something that a product like this is not at all useful for since the material still needs to be properly structured and annotated with accessibility elements like alternative and descriptive text and appropriate document structure. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Mitchell Stoddard Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:32 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software Hi Folks, I wonder if any of you are familiar with ReadSpeaker, which is a text to speech add-on for course management software? The people in our Teaching and Learning Centre, who support our LMS system (CANVAS) are considering purchasing the product and asking for input. I have seen only a few comments on another listserve...one which raised the question of the value of the software relative to use of a program such as Read and Write Gold, and one which raised issues around how ReadSpeaker handles LTI within the LMS system. I would appreciate any comments or input you may have. Warm regards, Mitchell Mitchell Stoddard, Ph.D., R. Psych. Director, Centre for Students with Disabilities Simon Fraser University 8888 University Drive (1250 MBC) Burnaby, BC V5A 1S6 Phone: 778-782-3313 Email: mitchell_stoddard@sfu.ca If we teach today as we taught yesterday, we rob our children of tomorrow" ~John Dewey This electronic mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain privileged, confidential or personal information intended only for the use of the individual, entity or organization named or addressed above. 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Thank you. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From ronrstewart at gmail.com Sat Jul 12 16:08:07 2014 From: ronrstewart at gmail.com (Ron) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software In-Reply-To: <007401cf9e18$b6cf0ce0$246d26a0$@emptech.info> References: <945762908.8748648.1405006326904.JavaMail.root@sfu.ca> <1df901cf9c59$ad9db510$08d91f30$@altformatsolutions.com> <04339d08183440cf9191e7faa4010ef9@EXMAIL01.pstcc.edu> <209701cf9c85$eaa9e560$bffdb020$@altformatsolutions.com> <007401cf9e18$b6cf0ce0$246d26a0$@emptech.info> Message-ID: An important clarification because my experience has been over the years that the vendors not been clear about this and many uniformed campuses have purchased them thinking they would solve the web access. I just went through this again a few weeks ago with a client. The IT folks are blaming the DS folks for their poor purchasing decision though they also don't want to fix accessibility issues that were known to them. Probably sounds like a familiar tune to many of you. Ron Stewart On Saturday, July 12, 2014, E.A.Draffan wrote: > Just as a little note both BrowseAloud and ReadSpeaker are not designed for > those who require a screen reader as they are only used once you have > reached the website. They are really designed to help those who need > reading support for the content rather than navigational support. > > Best wishes > E.A. > > Mrs E.A. Draffan > WAIS, ECS , University of Southampton > Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246 > Mobile +44 (0)7976 289103 > http://access.ecs.soton.ac.uk > http://www.emptech.info > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu > ] On > Behalf Of Susan Gjolmesli > Sent: 10 July 2014 23:40 > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software > > THisis true. Just because something reads doesn't make is navigable. > > Unplug the mouse, turn off the screen and then test it. > > AS someone who is blind and uses Jaws, and can't access a lot of stuff - I > feel that's the only way to truly test these products. > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu > ] On > Behalf Of Ron Stewart > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 2:29 PM > To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software > > The situation is exactly the same. To add a little more detail you really > need a screen reader to properly navigate an LMS and its content in audio. > > Ron Stewart > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu > ] On > Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 3:41 PM > To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software > > Has anyone used BrowseAloud on their site? We have just completed testing > and ran into some issues with D2L. The company is trying to see why we ran > into these issues, but I thought I'd also see what people thought. There > is > a comparison of ReadSpeaker and Browsealoud on the web that I found, but > would welcome other comments. > > Alice Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. > Technology Specialist > Disability Services > Pellissippi State Community College > 10915 Hardin Valley Road > Knoxville TN 37933-0990 > (865) 694-6751 > > Access for All Blog > http://blogs.pstcc.edu/access4all/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu > ] On > Behalf Of Ron Stewart > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 12:12 PM > To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software > > Products like these really do little to insure the accessibility of the > content. My group has done several reviews across a variety of LMS systems > where this "built in" product was provided but the sites were actually not > fully accessible or properly structured in the first place. To insure the > fullest accessibility in the first place the sites need to be fully > designed > to be conformant with WCAG 2.0 at the AA level as well as tested to insure > that they are actually usable with common assistive technologies. > > What software like this is good for is for ELL and other similar groups > that > can see and effectively navigate the site and would benefit from audio > reinforcement of the textual content. Now this does not speak to the > course > content delivered through the site, that is something that a product like > this is not at all useful for since the material still needs to be properly > structured and annotated with accessibility elements like alternative and > descriptive text and appropriate document structure. > > Ron Stewart > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu > ] On > Behalf Of Mitchell Stoddard > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:32 AM > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] looking for comment on ReadSpeaker software > > Hi Folks, > > I wonder if any of you are familiar with ReadSpeaker, which is a text to > speech add-on for course management software? The people in our Teaching > and Learning Centre, who support our LMS system (CANVAS) are considering > purchasing the product and asking for input. > > I have seen only a few comments on another listserve...one which raised the > question of the value of the software relative to use of a program such as > Read and Write Gold, and one which raised issues around how ReadSpeaker > handles LTI within the LMS system. > > I would appreciate any comments or input you may have. > > Warm regards, > > Mitchell > > > > Mitchell Stoddard, Ph.D., R. Psych. > Director, Centre for Students with Disabilities Simon Fraser University > 8888 University Drive (1250 MBC) > Burnaby, BC V5A 1S6 > > Phone: 778-782-3313 > Email: mitchell_stoddard@sfu.ca > > If we teach today as we taught yesterday, we rob our children of tomorrow" > ~John Dewey > > This electronic mail message and any accompanying attachments may contain > privileged, confidential or personal information intended only for the use > of the individual, entity or organization named or addressed above. Any > disclosure, distribution, dissemination, copying or action taken in > reliance > on the contents of this communication by anyone other than the intended > recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in > error please delete the email (from your incoming and trash files) and > notify the sender immediately by email or by telephone. 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Has anyone else encountered this problem? Thank you for any recommendations! Michele Joy Bromley Inclusive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Office: 116A SMSU Phone: (503) 725-8395 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu Website: www.pdx.edu/drc Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at stanford.edu Mon Jul 14 10:33:09 2014 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Which Software are folks using for Ebook Production? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2AAEEB3A-98DE-4144-AFC1-F1D663AD8FD8@stanford.edu> We follow a similar workflow process as Brian described (and have a similar philosophy in working with MS Word), with one exception - we are still using OmniPage for the OCR processes. That said, we have been evaluating Abbyy FineReader and are looking to switch to that platform based on good output for editing in MS Word and more licensing options. For the most part, I have not found one OCR application orders of magnitude better than the other when it comes to the actual OCR process (save for foreign language - I like Abbyy better). Both are solid applications and will get the job done. The difference, IMO, is more on how the interface works for the editing staff and how you can streamline your production workflow to deliver an output format that can be modified easily in MS Word. When you are dealing with high-volume production, small variations in the production workflow and/or training of staff can make a difference in the time spent converting documents. If you have the time, try both applications out on a a few test documents. Evaluate the user interface to see which makes more sense to you and do you get the expected output. If you find one version is much easier to interact with due to the user interface and you get the desired results, then you may have found the version that works best for you?of course, it may change with the next update, but at least you can be happy for a short while. Take care, Sean Sean Keegan Associate Director, Assistive Technology Office of Accessible Education - Stanford University On Jul 10, 2014, at 2:51 PM, Brian Richwine wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We processed just over 75,000 pages of print materials through ABBYY in the past year for our students with visual impairments. Our process is generally scanning materials in ABBYY or processing a PDF in ABBYY and then working with the document in Microsoft Word. We've used ABBYY for years, and actually our staff prefer to use version 9. They despised versions 10 and 11 due to changes in the ABBYY UI relating to how easy it is to set the order of text recognition blocks. Version 12 is the first version since version 9 that our staff will use. Our editing staff finds they have to spend more time cleaning up the formatting that Version 12 provides than they did in version 9 of ABBYY. Since we are interested in creating a linear, very accessible result, sometimes you have to fight the page formatting that ABBYY and Omnipage provide. > > We try Omnipage once in a while and our editing staff report not being able to get a word document that is efficient to work with. > > Word is simply the easiest editing platform for our student editing staff to work in, so we use it as the main editing and formatting tool for almost all of our final alternate media types. As a tool, students are already familiar with it so training can start from there and focus more on the document needs than the tool. It handles multiple languages, we can use MathType for entering math. And we can easily handle page numbering and heading levels to provide for needed document navigation features. We've found that our students with visual impairments prefer having complex or large tables linearized or described instead of marked up accessibly as tables, so the lack of good table markup features in Word hasn't been an issue for us. This works because we make our alternate media for a specific student's needs/preferences and not as a universally accessible document. > > From word we can output the result to Word, Daisy, EPUB, PDF, import into duxbury braille software, print in large print, and convert to MP3. The vast number of our clients get the word files we produce, a braille ready file (.brf), or braille. We have a couple users that prefer EPUB so they can access texts via their iOS devices. The EPUB works better than the PDFs converted from word for this (reading it with iBooks or other EPUB iOS apps). > > -Brian > > Manager, UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers > > Indiana University ? Bloomington / Indianapolis > > http://iuadapts.iu.edu > > (812) 856-2757 [Direct Line] > > (812) 856-4112 [Office Number] > > brichwin@iu.edu > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi everyone, > > We are currently using a version of ABBYY Finereader that is several years old. We are trying to decide whether we should upgrade to ABBYY 12, or consider other options, such as the dolphin and IRTI products. We would like flexibility to produce well marked up content in whatever format the student requests, while still maintaining a workflow that is as simple as possible. I?d be curious as to what others are using, and what the advantages, as well as disadvantages are to those products. > > Many thanks, > > Al Puzzuoli > > Information Technologist > > Michigan State University, > > Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities, 120 Bessey Hall East Lansing, MI 48824-1033 > > 517-884-1915 > > http://www.rcpd.msu.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at stanford.edu Mon Jul 14 11:40:50 2014 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Statewide accessibility training center In-Reply-To: <021201cf9d74$bd91f460$38b5dd20$@htctu.net> References: <017901cf9d6f$cbb437b0$631ca710$@htctu.net> <021201cf9d74$bd91f460$38b5dd20$@htctu.net> Message-ID: While I think there were a number of factors that contributed to the success of the program over the years, one factor I would consider seriously if trying to replicate such a model is the timing of such a proposal. Prior to Gaeir and I joining the HTCTU, the California Community College system had experienced a statewide compliance review resulting in nine suggestions from OCR about specific areas of concern; the "Distance Education: Access Guidelines for Students with Disabilities" had been written; and funding was provided from the Chancellor's Office for alternate format production "deliverables" (for most colleges, this involved hiring staff). Not only was there statewide attention from a legal perspective, but there was funding made available to colleges who in turn needed training and support for these alt format and web accessibility services. This also happened at a time when California was doing much better financially than in the past seven years. I am not too surprised that the model has not been replicated in other states as I think the California Community College system lends itself to such a program due to overall size, student body, funding mechanisms, etc. I don't know if the HTCTU program is something that could be replicated in other states as there may not be the same factors that would drive such program. Yes, there may be a desire for training and support at the local college level, but this is something that would need to be transcended to the state level and, potentially, all higher ed parties would have to agree on funding decisions. If you are looking at different models, I would suggest also looking at how WebAIM is structured and organized. While not the same, there are some similarities to such a program that could offer ideas as to where to obtain funding, provide training, etc. Take care, Sean On Jul 11, 2014, at 6:58 PM, "Gaeir Dietrich" wrote: > You weren?t wrong?Sean and I used to joke that he was the trainer with the most seniority?even if I was the more senior. ;-) > > Seriously, though, it was a great model. I do not know how voc rehab functions in other state, though, so I?m not sure how replicable it might be. The strategy that Carl proposed was that since computers and technology were clearly a growth industry and provided a very marketable skill it made sense for the dept of rehabilitation to leverage their resources by creating support for all the CCCs (about 102 at the time and 112 now). > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich > 408-996-6047 or 408-996-4636 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 6:45 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Statewide accessibility training center > > Its been a long time, so I stand corrected. :-) > > On Jul 11, 2014 8:28 PM, "Gaeir Dietrich" wrote: > Happy to talk to you about it, Wink. > > (And, just FYI, Sean only ?predated? me at the HTCTU by a couple of months. ;-) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich > 408-996-6047 or 408-996-4636 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 4:03 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Statewide accessibility training center > > James Bailey would be a good person to talk to he was working in the area at the time and also knew Carl Brown. Also perhaps Sean Keegan. His time at the HTCTU predates Gaeir's. > > The Tech Act projects were designed to just this thing, but where never adequately funded. There are also some good models in the K-12 system but they are K-12 only. > > The funding challenge is going to be what target population will you serve, if it is all then you are going to have to figure out the political conflicts and the conflicts inherent in the various laws that govern public funding streams. Private public partnership would be the way to go in my mind. > > Interesting concept, one many have tried, including me within the educational space. Let's keep the conversation going. > > Ron Stewart > > > On Thursday, July 3, 2014, Wink Harner wrote: > Wouldn't that be wonderful! I'm sure Gaier can share how the High Tech center came into being. It's highly probable "we" (in the field) could write/apply for a grant to get it started. > > Wink > Wink Harner > foreigntype@gmail.com > > Wink > Wink Harner > foreigntype@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Elizabeth.Prickett at victoriacollege.edu Thu Jul 17 06:35:07 2014 From: Elizabeth.Prickett at victoriacollege.edu (Prickett, Elizabeth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Excel 2010 & JAWS Message-ID: Good morning! We just found out that we have a student who is blind who is planning on taking an Excel 2010 course next month. I've not met the student yet, but our disability advisor reports that she is a Braille and JAWS user. However, it sounds like she is not very proficient with JAWS or any other technology. I have a good many resources on how to create more accessible Excel 2010 spreadsheets as well as a list of keystrokes. I'm wondering if anyone has advice that I could pass along to the instructor on how to teach Excel with a student who is blind in the class? Or, do you have any ideas that I could pass along to the student on how to get more familiar with JAWS and Excel? I know that Freedom Scientific usually has some training materials online, but I haven't been able to locate what I was looking for yet. I'm not sure what version of JAWS the student has on her personal computer, but she'll be using JAWS 14 in the computer classroom. Thanks so much for any insight you may have! Have a wonderful weekend, Liz Prickett Alternative Media Specialist Center for Academic & Professional Excellence (CAPE) Victoria College 2200 E. Red River Street Victoria, TX 77901 Elizabeth.Prickett@VictoriaCollege.edu (361) 573-3291, ext. 3243 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erinlau at umich.edu Thu Jul 17 06:55:53 2014 From: erinlau at umich.edu (Erin Lauridsen) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] Excel 2010 & JAWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <375F94BE-8237-4916-9245-F3E0391D42AB@umich.edu> Hi Liz, I?ve trained many JAWS users on Microsoft Excel over the last few years, and in my experience, a conceptual understanding of the spacial arrangement of data on a spread sheet is critical. Depending on a student?s learning style, and previous experience with tables, charts, and graphs, being able to conceptualize columns, rows, coordinates and data regions can sometimes present an initial challenge. I?ve often used Braille or tactile diagrams to convey these concepts when a student is just starting out. I too am coming up short as to free training resources. Access Technology Institute does have an Excel textbook for sale, which I?ve found to be a solid resource in the past. Best, Erin On Jul 17, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Prickett, Elizabeth wrote: > Good morning! > > We just found out that we have a student who is blind who is planning on taking an Excel 2010 course next month. I?ve not met the student yet, but our disability advisor reports that she is a Braille and JAWS user. However, it sounds like she is not very proficient with JAWS or any other technology. > > I have a good many resources on how to create more accessible Excel 2010 spreadsheets as well as a list of keystrokes. I?m wondering if anyone has advice that I could pass along to the instructor on how to teach Excel with a student who is blind in the class? Or, do you have any ideas that I could pass along to the student on how to get more familiar with JAWS and Excel? I know that Freedom Scientific usually has some training materials online, but I haven?t been able to locate what I was looking for yet. > > I?m not sure what version of JAWS the student has on her personal computer, but she?ll be using JAWS 14 in the computer classroom. > > Thanks so much for any insight you may have! Have a wonderful weekend, > > Liz Prickett > Alternative Media Specialist > Center for Academic & Professional Excellence (CAPE) > Victoria College > 2200 E. Red River Street > Victoria, TX 77901 > Elizabeth.Prickett@VictoriaCollege.edu > (361) 573-3291, ext. 3243 > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We just found out that we have a student who is blind who is planning on taking an Excel 2010 course next month. I've not met the student yet, but our disability advisor reports that she is a Braille and JAWS user. However, it sounds like she is not very proficient with JAWS or any other technology. I have a good many resources on how to create more accessible Excel 2010 spreadsheets as well as a list of keystrokes. I'm wondering if anyone has advice that I could pass along to the instructor on how to teach Excel with a student who is blind in the class? Or, do you have any ideas that I could pass along to the student on how to get more familiar with JAWS and Excel? I know that Freedom Scientific usually has some training materials online, but I haven't been able to locate what I was looking for yet. I'm not sure what version of JAWS the student has on her personal computer, but she'll be using JAWS 14 in the computer classroom. Thanks so much for any insight you may have! Have a wonderful weekend, Liz Prickett Alternative Media Specialist Center for Academic & Professional Excellence (CAPE) Victoria College 2200 E. Red River Street Victoria, TX 77901 Elizabeth.Prickett@VictoriaCollege.edu (361) 573-3291, ext. 3243 From Matt.McCubbin at umb.edu Thu Jul 17 07:14:41 2014 From: Matt.McCubbin at umb.edu (Matt McCubbin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] Excel 2010 & JAWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19a753449b6647b1b17ddfa46bac5212@DM2PR0101MB0893.prod.exchangelabs.com> Good Morning Liz, In addition to what Russell and Erin have already mentioned, the Hadley School for the Blind offers a free course on using Excel. http://www.hadley.edu/resources_list_detail.asp?resourceid=22 FS also offers low-cost online webinars. http://sales.freedomscientific.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=350013-007 Best regards, Matt Matt McCubbin Adaptive Technology Specialist University of Massachusetts Boston (617) 287-5243 http://www.umb.edu/it/acl From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Prickett, Elizabeth Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:35 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: [Athen] Excel 2010 & JAWS Good morning! We just found out that we have a student who is blind who is planning on taking an Excel 2010 course next month. I've not met the student yet, but our disability advisor reports that she is a Braille and JAWS user. However, it sounds like she is not very proficient with JAWS or any other technology. I have a good many resources on how to create more accessible Excel 2010 spreadsheets as well as a list of keystrokes. I'm wondering if anyone has advice that I could pass along to the instructor on how to teach Excel with a student who is blind in the class? Or, do you have any ideas that I could pass along to the student on how to get more familiar with JAWS and Excel? I know that Freedom Scientific usually has some training materials online, but I haven't been able to locate what I was looking for yet. I'm not sure what version of JAWS the student has on her personal computer, but she'll be using JAWS 14 in the computer classroom. Thanks so much for any insight you may have! 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RefWorks has a page stating their commitment to accessibility, but my initial testing has not yielded positive results. Thanks for any help you can provide. Erin -- Erin Lauridsen Screen Reader Specialist University of Michigan erinlau@umich.edu (734) 764-7825 From bossley.5 at osu.edu Thu Jul 17 08:37:57 2014 From: bossley.5 at osu.edu (Bossley, Peter A. (Pete)) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] Excel 2010 & JAWS In-Reply-To: <375F94BE-8237-4916-9245-F3E0391D42AB@umich.edu> References: <375F94BE-8237-4916-9245-F3E0391D42AB@umich.edu> Message-ID: <006B5C8325EEDA44A1A7D3955F5431CD6EF583C0@CIO-KRC-D1MBX04.osuad.osu.edu> I echo what Erin says below. Understanding the relationships between cells, columns, rows, etc is usually the sticking point. If the class includes use of complex scripts to manipulate content, especially if vbscript is required, screen reader users may have a pretty tough time with some of that. [The Ohio State University] Peter Bossley OCIO Accessibility Analyst Office of the Chief Information Officer Enterprise Applications 017 Enarson Classrooms Building, 2009 Millikin Rd, Columbus, OH 43210 (614) 292-8571 Office bossley.5@osu.edu ocio.osu.edu ________________________________ From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Erin Lauridsen Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Excel 2010 & JAWS Hi Liz, I've trained many JAWS users on Microsoft Excel over the last few years, and in my experience, a conceptual understanding of the spacial arrangement of data on a spread sheet is critical. Depending on a student's learning style, and previous experience with tables, charts, and graphs, being able to conceptualize columns, rows, coordinates and data regions can sometimes present an initial challenge. I've often used Braille or tactile diagrams to convey these concepts when a student is just starting out. I too am coming up short as to free training resources. Access Technology Institute does have an Excel textbook for sale, which I've found to be a solid resource in the past. Best, Erin On Jul 17, 2014, at 9:35 AM, Prickett, Elizabeth > wrote: Good morning! We just found out that we have a student who is blind who is planning on taking an Excel 2010 course next month. I've not met the student yet, but our disability advisor reports that she is a Braille and JAWS user. However, it sounds like she is not very proficient with JAWS or any other technology. I have a good many resources on how to create more accessible Excel 2010 spreadsheets as well as a list of keystrokes. I'm wondering if anyone has advice that I could pass along to the instructor on how to teach Excel with a student who is blind in the class? Or, do you have any ideas that I could pass along to the student on how to get more familiar with JAWS and Excel? I know that Freedom Scientific usually has some training materials online, but I haven't been able to locate what I was looking for yet. I'm not sure what version of JAWS the student has on her personal computer, but she'll be using JAWS 14 in the computer classroom. Thanks so much for any insight you may have! Have a wonderful weekend, Liz Prickett Alternative Media Specialist Center for Academic & Professional Excellence (CAPE) Victoria College 2200 E. Red River Street Victoria, TX 77901 Elizabeth.Prickett@VictoriaCollege.edu (361) 573-3291, ext. 3243 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jennison Jennison Mark Asuncion Co-Director, Adaptech Research Network http://www.adaptech.org LinkedIn at http://www.linkedin.com/in/jennison Follow me on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/jennison Accessibility Camp Toronto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeP5Kl4GDgA ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Wink Harner [foreigntype@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 12:35 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Captcha problem Hi All, Am curious to know whether any of you all have tested JAWS/Dragon with CAPTCHA input panels. While working on something personal last night using Dragon, I ran into a complete lockout from the site I was attempting to enter (ok, checking my free credit scores!). The dictation was done correctly, matching the CAPTCHA phrases, but was misrecognized by the site. Consistently misrecognized. I was offered the option of an audio CAPTCHA, but since that would also require the use of DRAGON to input in the CAPTCHA panel, it too, did not work. Any insights or work-arounds? Thanks! Wink Harner foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 From foreigntype at gmail.com Sat Jul 19 10:48:26 2014 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] Captcha problem In-Reply-To: References: <047301cfa36f$6f93d390$4ebb7ab0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Jennison. That's a good idea. Wink On Jul 19, 2014 10:44 AM, "Jennison Asuncion" wrote: > Wink, > > I'd encourage you to join and post your question to the Accessible Google > Group https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/accessible because many of > the folks who work on Google accessibility monitor and respond there, in > addition to other end-users. It would be good for them to know about what > you're experiencing. > > Jennison > > > > Jennison Mark Asuncion > Co-Director, Adaptech Research Network http://www.adaptech.org > LinkedIn at http://www.linkedin.com/in/jennison > Follow me on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/jennison > Accessibility Camp Toronto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeP5Kl4GDgA > ________________________________________ > From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on > behalf of Wink Harner [foreigntype@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 12:35 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Captcha problem > > Hi All, > > Am curious to know whether any of you all have tested JAWS/Dragon with > CAPTCHA input panels. While working on something personal last night using > Dragon, I ran into a complete lockout from the site I was attempting to > enter (ok, checking my free credit scores!). The dictation was done > correctly, matching the CAPTCHA phrases, but was misrecognized by the site. > Consistently misrecognized. I was offered the option of an audio CAPTCHA, > but since that would also require the use of DRAGON to input in the CAPTCHA > panel, it too, did not work. > > Any insights or work-arounds? > > Thanks! > > Wink Harner > foreigntype@gmail.com > 480-984-0034 > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From petri.1 at osu.edu Mon Jul 21 15:34:46 2014 From: petri.1 at osu.edu (Petri, Kenneth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Michelle, I would definitely contact D2L directly with any specific issues. They have staff dedicated to accessibility. OSU runs D2L and I have been involved in helping improve its accessibility over the years. If you can tell me where the student is having issues, I can verify and post an email to the D2L accessibility interest group list ? maybe it should be doing more to verify accessibility on VoiceOver? As Keith mentioned, it is necessary to know if this is VO Mac or on iOS. In my experience, VO on the Mac is not a terribly good screen reader when using complex web applications. On iOS the implementation is much better (though very different, as well). But in any case, I?m pretty sure the D2L community would be interested in your student?s experience. Best, ken [The Ohio State University] Ken Petri, Program Director Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for Disability Services 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax petri.1@osu.edu | wac.osu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Michele Bromley Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:50 PM To: DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility Hello all, I'm curious to hear from other schools who are using D2L as a learning management system. We have a blind student who has been having some serious navigation issues with D2L in Safari. VoiceOver is simply not working in some cases. VoiceOver appears to work well with other websites in Safari, so this seems to be a D2L issue. Has anyone else encountered this problem? Thank you for any recommendations! Michele Joy Bromley Inclusive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Office: 116A SMSU Phone: (503) 725-8395 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu Website: www.pdx.edu/drc Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 3605 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From SolowoniukR at macewan.ca Mon Jul 21 15:53:38 2014 From: SolowoniukR at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53CD4592020000EC00031EEB@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> Hi Michelle, Something you could try is to change the user agent that Safari uses. To do this you need to go into Safari preferences, choose the "Advanced" tab, and check the choice to "Show Develop menu in Menubar". Then, on the menubar, choose Develop, User Agent, and you will see a list of various user agents, for example, Internet Explorer 8, 9, or 10, Firefox, Google Chrome, Safari IOS 7 for iPhone, etc. Try experimenting with different user agents when in the D2L environment and see if any of them work better. Hope this helps, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. >>> "Petri, Kenneth" 7/21/2014 4:34 PM >>> Michelle, I would definitely contact D2L directly with any specific issues. They have staff dedicated to accessibility. OSU runs D2L and I have been involved in helping improve its accessibility over the years. If you can tell me where the student is having issues, I can verify and post an email to the D2L accessibility interest group list * maybe it should be doing more to verify accessibility on VoiceOver? As Keith mentioned, it is necessary to know if this is VO Mac or on iOS. In my experience, VO on the Mac is not a terribly good screen reader when using complex web applications. On iOS the implementation is much better (though very different, as well). But in any case, I*m pretty sure the D2L community would be interested in your student*s experience. Best, ken [The Ohio State University] Ken Petri, Program Director Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for Disability Services 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax petri.1@osu.edu | wac.osu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Michele Bromley Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:50 PM To: DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility Hello all, I'm curious to hear from other schools who are using D2L as a learning management system. We have a blind student who has been having some serious navigation issues with D2L in Safari. VoiceOver is simply not working in some cases. VoiceOver appears to work well with other websites in Safari, so this seems to be a D2L issue. Has anyone else encountered this problem? Thank you for any recommendations! Michele Joy Bromley Inclusive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Office: 116A SMSU Phone: (503) 725-8395 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu Website: www.pdx.edu/drc Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc From Susan.Kelmer at Colorado.EDU Tue Jul 22 08:38:17 2014 From: Susan.Kelmer at Colorado.EDU (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions Message-ID: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB9A7@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using MathType, we are finding two problems: a. We put page number in the header section of word documents as a matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized document, and we're not sure why. b. If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to create them), the output to MathPage fails. None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From E.H.Cliffe at bath.ac.uk Tue Jul 22 09:42:30 2014 From: E.H.Cliffe at bath.ac.uk (Emma Cliffe) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions In-Reply-To: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB9A7@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> References: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB9A7@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <53CE9476.4060607@bath.ac.uk> Dear Susan, If I understand it correctly running conversion to MathPage is using Word's conversion tools for some of the work. This is likely to be the issue with the page numbers, as far as I am aware Word does not convert headers or footers when converting to web formats. This was certainly true in Word 2003 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212270 and I imagine is still the case as one might ask what a header or footer is intended to be in this format since the whole document is converted to a single page - I understand why you want the numbers in this case but you'll have to include them a different way. I am running Word 2010 with MathType 6.9. The footnotes issue is only occurring in some conversions and I can explain what is happening and a nasty fix but it looks like a bug. Not sure whose bug though, could be Word or MathType. Publish to MathPage you have 5 options for MathML in 6.9 (fewer in earlier versions I imagine). Some of these will not trigger the bug but they may not be the format you want. Some will trigger the bug. 1. HTML + MathJax: Produces a .htm file with MathJax handling the rendering of MathML equations. Will not trigger the bug. 2. XHTML + MathJax: Produces a .xht file with MathJax handling the rendering of MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. 3. XHTML + MathML: Produces a .xht file with native rendering of the MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. 4. MathPlayer (IE behavior): Produces a .htm file with equations which will only be rendered by MathPlayer + IE<10. Will not trigger the bug. 5. Multi-browser (UMSS): Produces a .xht file with equations in MathML using the universal MathML style sheet. Will trigger the bug. The bug is that whenever you have a footnote the XML is incorrect and the bug is only occurring in the xht outputs so it is caused by whatever is responsible for producing the XML (Word?). E.g. you get:

[1] http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/

The incorrect portions are: which should be The only way for you to fix this, that I am aware, is to open up the exported source in a suitable editor and hand fix all such errors or to write a script that does this for you. If anyone else has any ideas or comments on the above it would be great to hear them. If anyone knows for sure whether this is Word or MathType then we could also report the issue. I will try and follow it up with some contacts I have who may be able to shed some light but this could take some time. Kind regards, Emma On 22/07/2014 16:38, Susan Kelmer wrote: > > We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not > been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a > learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. > > When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using > MathType, we are finding two problems: > > a.We put page number in the header section of word documents as a > matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized > document, and we're not sure why. > > b.If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to create > them), the output to MathPage fails. > > None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math > people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. > If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! > > /Susan Kelmer/ > > /Alternate Format Coordinator/ > > /Disability Services/ > > /University of Colorado/ > > /303-735-4836/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From E.H.Cliffe at bath.ac.uk Tue Jul 22 09:51:37 2014 From: E.H.Cliffe at bath.ac.uk (Emma Cliffe) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions In-Reply-To: <53CE9476.4060607@bath.ac.uk> References: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB9A7@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> <53CE9476.4060607@bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <53CE9699.6090109@bath.ac.uk> Hi Susan, Sorry for a second mail, that fixes the bug but leaves the footnote link an empty string. You would also need to add something in to (from the example below): e.g link so that the footnote link was visible and clickable. Kind regards, Emma On 22/07/2014 17:42, Emma Cliffe wrote: > > Dear Susan, > > If I understand it correctly running conversion to MathPage is using > Word's conversion tools for some of the work. This is likely to be the > issue with the page numbers, as far as I am aware Word does not > convert headers or footers when converting to web formats. This was > certainly true in Word 2003 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212270 and > I imagine is still the case as one might ask what a header or footer > is intended to be in this format since the whole document is converted > to a single page - I understand why you want the numbers in this case > but you'll have to include them a different way. > > I am running Word 2010 with MathType 6.9. The footnotes issue is only > occurring in some conversions and I can explain what is happening and > a nasty fix but it looks like a bug. Not sure whose bug though, could > be Word or MathType. Publish to MathPage you have 5 options for MathML > in 6.9 (fewer in earlier versions I imagine). Some of these will not > trigger the bug but they may not be the format you want. Some will > trigger the bug. > 1. HTML + MathJax: Produces a .htm file with MathJax handling the > rendering of MathML equations. Will not trigger the bug. > 2. XHTML + MathJax: Produces a .xht file with MathJax handling the > rendering of MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. > 3. XHTML + MathML: Produces a .xht file with native rendering of the > MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. > 4. MathPlayer (IE behavior): Produces a .htm file with equations which > will only be rendered by MathPlayer + IE<10. Will not trigger the bug. > 5. Multi-browser (UMSS): Produces a .xht file with equations in MathML > using the universal MathML style sheet. Will trigger the bug. > > The bug is that whenever you have a footnote the XML is incorrect and > the bug is only occurring in the xht outputs so it is caused by > whatever is responsible for producing the XML (Word?). E.g. you get: >

name="_ftn1" title=""> !supportFootnotes]> style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; > mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font: > minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times > New Roman"; > mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language: > EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA'>[1] href="http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/">http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/ >

> > The incorrect portions are: > which should be > > The only way for you to fix this, that I am aware, is to open up the > exported source in a suitable editor and hand fix all such errors or > to write a script that does this for you. > > If anyone else has any ideas or comments on the above it would be > great to hear them. If anyone knows for sure whether this is Word or > MathType then we could also report the issue. I will try and follow it > up with some contacts I have who may be able to shed some light but > this could take some time. > > Kind regards, > Emma > > On 22/07/2014 16:38, Susan Kelmer wrote: >> >> We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not >> been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a >> learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. >> >> When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using >> MathType, we are finding two problems: >> >> a.We put page number in the header section of word documents as a >> matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized >> document, and we're not sure why. >> >> b.If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to >> create them), the output to MathPage fails. >> >> None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math >> people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. >> If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! >> >> /Susan Kelmer/ >> >> /Alternate Format Coordinator/ >> >> /Disability Services/ >> >> /University of Colorado/ >> >> /303-735-4836/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gardnerj at onid.orst.edu Tue Jul 22 17:40:35 2014 From: gardnerj at onid.orst.edu (John Gardner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions In-Reply-To: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB9A7@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> References: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB9A7@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <000001cfa60e$b7a635f0$26f2a1d0$@orst.edu> Susan, there is a simpler and, in many respects, better solution that might interest you. Download http://www.viewplus.com/downloads/lean/Accessible_Word_MathType_Examples.zip and have a look at the three Word files in it. They are identical except for the MathType alt text. One has alt text as words (eg a x squared plus b x plus c equals 0), the other two have Nemeth in the alt text, one using ASCII font, and the other using Unicode font. The alt text is accessible with all screen readers. If your student reads with a braille display, this is a much better solution than MathPage, because it is braille. And of course, it is also the original Word document, so your footers and headers are thre. These were created using my new LEAN Math application. You can have the application, now in late beta, if you wish. John From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:38 AM To: dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu; Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using MathType, we are finding two problems: a. We put page number in the header section of word documents as a matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized document, and we're not sure why. b. If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to create them), the output to MathPage fails. None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 18:10:21 2014 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions In-Reply-To: <000001cfa60e$b7a635f0$26f2a1d0$@orst.edu> References: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB9A7@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> <000001cfa60e$b7a635f0$26f2a1d0$@orst.edu> Message-ID: John, This is terrific! Very good solution. May others try this out too? Wink Wink Harner Adaptive technology specialist Southern Oregon University On Jul 22, 2014 5:41 PM, "John Gardner" wrote: > Susan, there is a simpler and, in many respects, better solution that > might interest you. Download > > > http://www.viewplus.com/downloads/lean/Accessible_Word_MathType_Examples.zip > > and have a look at the three Word files in it. They are identical except > for the MathType alt text. One has alt text as words (eg a x squared plus > b x plus c equals 0), the other two have Nemeth in the alt text, one using > ASCII font, and the other using Unicode font. The alt text is accessible > with all screen readers. If your student reads with a braille display, this > is a much better solution than MathPage, because it is braille. And of > course, it is also the original Word document, so your footers and headers > are thre. > > > > These were created using my new LEAN Math application. You can have the > application, now in late beta, if you wish. > > > > John > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Susan Kelmer > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:38 AM > *To:* dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu; Access Technology Higher Education > Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > *Subject:* [Athen] MathType/MathML questions > > > > We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not been > our strong point in production. So, we?re still in a bit of a learning > mode. We?ve discovered a few things, and need some help. > > > > When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using > MathType, we are finding two problems: > > a. We put page number in the header section of word documents as a > matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized document, > and we?re not sure why. > > b. If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to > create them), the output to MathPage fails. > > > > None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are ?math > people,? so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. If > someone could help us with these two issues, we?d be grateful! > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Coordinator* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado* > > *303-735-4836 <303-735-4836>* > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at Colorado.EDU Wed Jul 23 07:02:57 2014 From: Susan.Kelmer at Colorado.EDU (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions In-Reply-To: <000001cfa60e$b7a635f0$26f2a1d0$@orst.edu> References: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB9A7@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> <000001cfa60e$b7a635f0$26f2a1d0$@orst.edu> Message-ID: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EBA05@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> Does this work for higher-level math? That is what we're dealing with, and none of us are content experts so I doubt we could write the alt text needed and make it right. That is why we are using MathType in the first place. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 6:41 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions Susan, there is a simpler and, in many respects, better solution that might interest you. Download http://www.viewplus.com/downloads/lean/Accessible_Word_MathType_Examples.zip and have a look at the three Word files in it. They are identical except for the MathType alt text. One has alt text as words (eg a x squared plus b x plus c equals 0), the other two have Nemeth in the alt text, one using ASCII font, and the other using Unicode font. The alt text is accessible with all screen readers. If your student reads with a braille display, this is a much better solution than MathPage, because it is braille. And of course, it is also the original Word document, so your footers and headers are thre. These were created using my new LEAN Math application. You can have the application, now in late beta, if you wish. John From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:38 AM To: dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu; Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using MathType, we are finding two problems: a. We put page number in the header section of word documents as a matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized document, and we're not sure why. b. If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to create them), the output to MathPage fails. None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gardnerj at onid.orst.edu Wed Jul 23 08:05:06 2014 From: gardnerj at onid.orst.edu (John Gardner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions In-Reply-To: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EBA05@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> References: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB9A7@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> <000001cfa60e$b7a635f0$26f2a1d0$@orst.edu> <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EBA05@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <004801cfa687$7d55bb40$780131c0$@orst.edu> Susan, LEAN is capable of reading and creating anything expressible in (Presentation) MathML up to version 3. In fact, one problem is that it is somewhat overwhelming for people just beginning simple algebra, so one or more simplified versions will soon become available. For now, you have the Cadillac. This is no concern if you only need to make those alt tags though. If you can write the math equations in MathType, you just need to select the document, go to the desktop, and click on the LEAN_In icon. It then marches through the document adding those alt tags. If you want to change the alt text format, you would open the LEAN_Edit app, press CTRL_+p to go to its preference menu, and then change the alt text format. Then do the LEAN_In trick again. This is not a difficult process! I have just posted a preprint of a paper I gave earlier this month at the ICCHP (International Conference on Computers Helping People with special needs). It is on the Access2Science web site, and the direct link is: http://www.access2science.com/mathml/The%20LEAN%20Math%20Accessible%20MathML %20Editor.htm The paper is 8 pages long and gives a pretty thorough overview of LEAN. FYI LEAN was not written to provide access to reading math, although it does that. It was written to give people with print disabilities a fast and convenient way to write and manipulate math. And it does that! John From: Susan Kelmer [mailto:Susan.Kelmer@Colorado.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:03 AM To: john.gardner@oregonstate.edu; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions Does this work for higher-level math? That is what we're dealing with, and none of us are content experts so I doubt we could write the alt text needed and make it right. That is why we are using MathType in the first place. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 6:41 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions Susan, there is a simpler and, in many respects, better solution that might interest you. Download http://www.viewplus.com/downloads/lean/Accessible_Word_MathType_Examples.zip and have a look at the three Word files in it. They are identical except for the MathType alt text. One has alt text as words (eg a x squared plus b x plus c equals 0), the other two have Nemeth in the alt text, one using ASCII font, and the other using Unicode font. The alt text is accessible with all screen readers. If your student reads with a braille display, this is a much better solution than MathPage, because it is braille. And of course, it is also the original Word document, so your footers and headers are thre. These were created using my new LEAN Math application. You can have the application, now in late beta, if you wish. John From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:38 AM To: dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu; Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using MathType, we are finding two problems: a. We put page number in the header section of word documents as a matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized document, and we're not sure why. b. If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to create them), the output to MathPage fails. None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Wed Jul 23 11:50:48 2014 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] Job Opening De Anza College Message-ID: <017601cfa6a7$0543c370$0fcb4a50$@htctu.net> Please forgive cross-posts De Anza College in Cupertino, California, is seeking a Dean of Disability Services. You have to apply online. Incomplete applications will not be reviewed. If the link below does not work, then got to http://www.fhda.edu/jobs/ and click on current job postings then search for administrator. https://ch.tbe.taleo.net/CH17/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=FHDA &cws=1&rid=974 Division Dean, Disability Support Programs and Services Announcement #: 14-170 Starting Salary: $114,668.17-$126,417.94 annually Campus: De Anza College Close Date: 8/11/14 Required Documents: Resume Open Until Filled: Number of Working Months: 12 Months Employment Duration: Full-Time ________________________________________ Description The Foothill-De Anza Community College District is currently accepting applications for the management position above. De Anza Mission Statement: De Anza College provides an academically rich, multicultural learning environment that challenges students of every background to develop their intellect, character and abilities; to realize their goals; and to be socially responsible leaders in their communities, the nation and the world. De Anza College fulfills its mission by engaging students in creative work that demonstrates the knowledge, skills and attitudes contained within the college's Institutional Core Competencies: . Communication and expression . Information literacy . Physical/mental wellness and personal responsibility . Global, cultural, social and environmental awareness . Critical thinking POSITION PURPOSE: Reporting to Vice President of Student Services, the Division Dean for Disability Support Programs and Services (DSP&S) is responsible for strategic leadership and management of the Division that includes instructional and student services programs (Adapted Physical Education, Disability Support Services, Educational Diagnostic Center and HOPE). The position is also responsible for implementing the Student Success and Support Program mandates, ensuring compliance with federal and state Title 5, ADA-504-508 regulations, District policy and procedure compliance, District Collective Bargaining Agreements and developing technology (e.g. Clockwork, Banner, iPad curriculum integration). In collaboration with the District Grant Director, the Division Dean is responsible for developing and administering a complex state funding formula and ensuring correct data is submitted for state reports. NATURE and SCOPE: The Division Dean has major operational responsibility and decision making authority in the development, interpretation and implementation of major policies and procedures pertaining to instructional and support programs which includes selecting and evaluating faculty, management and classified staff; preparation of faculty assignments, curriculum development, scheduling of classes, MIS data reporting, program data, Program Review, SLO/SSLO, reviewing and recommending applications for Professional Achievement Awards and Professional Development Leaves; distributing and initiating the transfer of funds within the division; approving requisitions for purchases and payment of invoices, and collaborating with the FHDA Foundation for fundraising. KEY DUTIES and RESPONSIBILITIES: The following duties and responsibilities are typical but not limited to the following: 1. Manage, supervise, plan, evaluate, and review division functions. Formats and implements goals per division plan. 2. Serve as the DSP&S Coordinator accountable for Title 5 compliance and the State Chancellor's Office High Tech Center Training Unit (HTCTU) grant administration; collaborates with the District ADA Coordinator for employee-related issues. Manage the budget and data reporting. 3. Determine, initiate and implement goals and objectives per District, college, and division plans. 4. Determine course offerings that maintain appropriate number of FTES. Monitor course enrollment; add sections, cancel classes. Facilitate development and revision of curricula to meet student demand in collaboration with faculty. 5. Recruit, hire, evaluate, promote public relations and activities from staff and faculty; chairs staff meetings; disseminates information to all staff members. 6. Chair faculty hiring and tenure committees. Comply with the Faculty Association (FA) contract; particularly related to the hiring on part-time faculty (reemployment preference list). Review and authorize professional development. Collaborate with the supervisors and director to hire and evaluate staff. Review and authorize professional development. 7. Manage and direct the completion of Program Reviews, SSLOs/SSLOACs, and implementation of SSSP mandates. 8. Oversees the State DSP&S accountability system; conducts in-service trainings on changes in State and Federal disability acts; ensures college compliance with State and Federal disability law. Maintains records; prepares State and Federal reports as required. 9. Plan, develop, monitor facilities and equipment needs of various programs. 10. Attend deans' and managers' meetings; represents the college and division at conferences; explains the program to visitors from other colleges and institutions. 11. Develop and administer the annual division budget. 12. Lead and develop all fundraising efforts; ensure compliance with contracts and public and private grants. 13. Collaborate with other administrators, supervisors, and instructional faculty to develop and coordinate programs and services across the campus and curriculum to meet the needs of a diverse student population. 14. Collaborate with external agencies, advisory bodies, accrediting commissions, and other organizations related to the division's programs and services. 15. Represent the division in an administrative capacity as assigned. Oversee the Advisory Committee meeting. 16. Participate in college-wide planning initiatives and activities. 17. Support, implement, and promote compliance with the District's Diversity and Equal Opportunity Plan in all aspects of employment and education; encourage cultural and ethnic diversity in staffing, curriculum, programs, and services. 18. Assure compliance with the District's Injury and Illness Prevention Program by providing motivation, incentives, and discipline to assigned staff; maintain a safe work environment, enforcing safe work practices, reporting and investigating accidents, maintaining necessary documentation, and requiring employees to receive mandated training. 19. Perform other related duties as assigned. EMPLOYMENT STANDARDS Knowledge: 1. Working knowledge of all applicable laws, regulations, guidelines, contracts such as: California Education Code, Title 5, Student Success Act Initiatives, and State and Federal disability law. 2. Complete and full understanding of all applicable District and Foothill college procedures and policies. 3. External agency requirements for collaborative programs. 4. Personnel management. 5. Computers: commonly used software and communication mediums as well as large database management systems. 6. Serves as an advocate for the inclusion of disabilities in all social justice and equity initiatives including Universal Design Learning (UDL). Skills and Abilities: 1. Understanding of, sensitivity to, and respect for the diverse academic, socio-economic, ethnic, religious, and cultural backgrounds, disability, and sexual orientation of community college students, faculty and staff. 2. Communicate effectively both orally and in writing, including complex proposals and presentations. 3. Supervise and/or manage a complex student services program serving a diverse student population. 4. Lead, advocate and network in the interest of the Division. 5. Strong supervisory skills. 6. Proven leadership management. 7. Fundraising skills. 8. Public speaking skills. 9. Handle difficult and sensitive issues and problems and resolve conflicts. 10. Motivational and mediation skills preferred. WORKING CONDITIONS: Environment: 1. Typical office environment; subject to travel to conduct work Physical Abilities: 1. Hearing and speaking to exchange information in person and on the telephone and make presentations. 2. Dexterity of hands and fingers to operate a computer keyboard. 3. Vision sufficient to read various materials. 4. Sitting for extending periods of time. 5. Bending at the waist. 6. Lifting and carrying objects up to 20 lbs. MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS: 1. Understanding of, sensitivity to, and respect for the diverse academic, socio-economic, ethnic, religious, and cultural backgrounds, disability, and sexual orientation of community college students, faculty and staff. 2. Master's degree in a related field. 3. One (1) year of administrative experience, formal training, internship, or leadership in a related area. PREFERRED QUALIFICATIONS: 1. Experience serving as a DSP&S Coordinator at a community college in a multi-college district. APPLICATION PACKET: 1. A District on-line application on http://hr.fhda.edu/employment2/. *In the application, you will provide information, which demonstrates your understanding of, sensitivity to, and respect for the diverse academic, socio-economic, ethnic, religious, and cultural backgrounds, disability, and sexual orientation of community college students, faculty and staff. 2. A cover letter addressing the preferred qualifications for the position. 3. A current resume of all work experience, formal education and training. If any required application materials are omitted, the committee will not review your application. Items not required (including reference letters) will not be accepted. For full-consideration, all application packets must be received by 11:59 pm on the closing date. Please allow yourself ample time to complete your application and resolve any technical difficulties that may arise with your submission. 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URL: From michele.bromley at pdx.edu Thu Jul 24 09:15:06 2014 From: michele.bromley at pdx.edu (Michele Bromley) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility Message-ID: Keith, Kenneth, Russell, et al., We are dealing with VoiceOver Mac. I've had the opportunity over the last week to do some more digging with regard to this accessibility issue. It appears that the discussion board function in D2L is essentially inaccessible in Safari when using VoiceOver. We found that was it nearly impossible to navigate into the edit text area, and even when students were able to do so with assistance, VoiceOver would not read words out loud as they were typed. I'm tentatively concluding that this is a VoiceOver/Safari issue since we were able to navigate through the discussion board functions easily using JAWS on a separate computer. Unfortunately, this is still a big issue since many of our students use Macintosh computers. I'm looking into ChromeVox as a possible alternative--I haven't had a chance yet to take it out for a spin. I'm not currently aware of any other open source screen reading software that works with the most recent Mac operating system. Thank you for any recommendations! *Michele Joy Bromley* Inclusive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Office: 116A SMSU Phone: (503) 725-8395 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu Website: www.pdx.edu/drc Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, < athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu> wrote: > Send athen-list mailing list submissions to > athen-list@u.washington.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility (Petri, Kenneth) > 2. Re: D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility (Russell Solowoniuk) > 3. MathType/MathML questions (Susan Kelmer) > 4. Re: MathType/MathML questions (Emma Cliffe) > 5. Re: MathType/MathML questions (Emma Cliffe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:34:46 +0000 > From: "Petri, Kenneth" > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility > Message-ID: > < > D70BE03EA74F81468EAA4F5320EB7A51746CAF84@CIO-TNC-D2MBX04.osuad.osu.edu> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Michelle, > > I would definitely contact D2L directly with any specific issues. They > have staff dedicated to accessibility. > > OSU runs D2L and I have been involved in helping improve its accessibility > over the years. If you can tell me where the student is having issues, I > can verify and post an email to the D2L accessibility interest group list ? > maybe it should be doing more to verify accessibility on VoiceOver? > > As Keith mentioned, it is necessary to know if this is VO Mac or on iOS. > In my experience, VO on the Mac is not a terribly good screen reader when > using complex web applications. On iOS the implementation is much better > (though very different, as well). > > But in any case, I?m pretty sure the D2L community would be interested in > your student?s experience. > > Best, > ken > > [The Ohio State University] > Ken Petri, Program Director > Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for > Disability Services > 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 > 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax > petri.1@osu.edu | wac.osu.edu > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > On Behalf Of Michele Bromley > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:50 PM > To: DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility > > Hello all, > I'm curious to hear from other schools who are using D2L as a learning > management system. We have a blind student who has been having some serious > navigation issues with D2L in Safari. VoiceOver is simply not working in > some cases. VoiceOver appears to work well with other websites in Safari, > so this seems to be a D2L issue. > Has anyone else encountered this problem? Thank you for any > recommendations! > > Michele Joy Bromley > Inclusive Technology Coordinator > Disability Resource Center > Portland State University > > Office: 116A SMSU > Phone: (503) 725-8395 > Fax: (503) 725-4103 > Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu > Website: www.pdx.edu/drc > Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140721/520b6d63/attachment-0001.html > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.png > Type: image/png > Size: 3605 bytes > Desc: image001.png > URL: < > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140721/520b6d63/attachment-0001.png > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:53:38 -0600 > From: "Russell Solowoniuk" > To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" > > Subject: Re: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility > Message-ID: <53CD4592020000EC00031EEB@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 > > Hi Michelle, > > Something you could try is to change the user agent that Safari uses. > To do this you need to go into Safari preferences, choose the "Advanced" > tab, and check the choice to "Show Develop menu in Menubar". Then, on > the menubar, choose Develop, User Agent, and you will see a list of > various user agents, for example, Internet Explorer 8, 9, or 10, > Firefox, Google Chrome, Safari IOS 7 for iPhone, etc. Try experimenting > with different user agents when in the D2L environment and see if any of > them work better. > > Hope this helps, > > Russell > > Russell Solowoniuk > AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities > MacEwan University > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > T: 780-497-5826 > F: 780-497-4018 > macewan.ca > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it > is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or > subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > >>> "Petri, Kenneth" 7/21/2014 4:34 PM >>> > Michelle, > > I would definitely contact D2L directly with any specific issues. They > have staff dedicated to accessibility. > > OSU runs D2L and I have been involved in helping improve its > accessibility over the years. If you can tell me where the student is > having issues, I can verify and post an email to the D2L accessibility > interest group list * maybe it should be doing more to verify > accessibility on VoiceOver? > > As Keith mentioned, it is necessary to know if this is VO Mac or on > iOS. In my experience, VO on the Mac is not a terribly good screen > reader when using complex web applications. On iOS the implementation is > much better (though very different, as well). > > But in any case, I*m pretty sure the D2L community would be > interested in your student*s experience. > > Best, > ken > > [The Ohio State University] > Ken Petri, Program Director > Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for > Disability Services > 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 > 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax > petri.1@osu.edu | > wac.osu.edu > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > On Behalf Of Michele Bromley > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:50 PM > To: DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility > > Hello all, > I'm curious to hear from other schools who are using D2L as a learning > management system. We have a blind student who has been having some > serious navigation issues with D2L in Safari. VoiceOver is simply not > working in some cases. VoiceOver appears to work well with other > websites in Safari, so this seems to be a D2L issue. > Has anyone else encountered this problem? Thank you for any > recommendations! > > Michele Joy Bromley > Inclusive Technology Coordinator > Disability Resource Center > Portland State University > > Office: 116A SMSU > Phone: (503) 725-8395 > Fax: (503) 725-4103 > Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu > Website: www.pdx.edu/drc > Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:38:17 -0600 > From: Susan Kelmer > To: "dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu" , > "Access Technology Higher Education Network > (athen-list@u.washington.edu)" > Subject: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions > Message-ID: > <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB9A7@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not been > our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a learning > mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. > > When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using > MathType, we are finding two problems: > > a. We put page number in the header section of word documents as a > matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized document, > and we're not sure why. > > b. If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to > create them), the output to MathPage fails. > > None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math > people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. If > someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! > > Susan Kelmer > Alternate Format Coordinator > Disability Services > University of Colorado > 303-735-4836 > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140722/1f97e440/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:42:30 +0100 > From: Emma Cliffe > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions > Message-ID: <53CE9476.4060607@bath.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > > Dear Susan, > > If I understand it correctly running conversion to MathPage is using > Word's conversion tools for some of the work. This is likely to be the > issue with the page numbers, as far as I am aware Word does not convert > headers or footers when converting to web formats. This was certainly > true in Word 2003 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212270 and I imagine > is still the case as one might ask what a header or footer is intended > to be in this format since the whole document is converted to a single > page - I understand why you want the numbers in this case but you'll > have to include them a different way. > > I am running Word 2010 with MathType 6.9. The footnotes issue is only > occurring in some conversions and I can explain what is happening and a > nasty fix but it looks like a bug. Not sure whose bug though, could be > Word or MathType. Publish to MathPage you have 5 options for MathML in > 6.9 (fewer in earlier versions I imagine). Some of these will not > trigger the bug but they may not be the format you want. Some will > trigger the bug. > 1. HTML + MathJax: Produces a .htm file with MathJax handling the > rendering of MathML equations. Will not trigger the bug. > 2. XHTML + MathJax: Produces a .xht file with MathJax handling the > rendering of MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. > 3. XHTML + MathML: Produces a .xht file with native rendering of the > MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. > 4. MathPlayer (IE behavior): Produces a .htm file with equations which > will only be rendered by MathPlayer + IE<10. Will not trigger the bug. > 5. Multi-browser (UMSS): Produces a .xht file with equations in MathML > using the universal MathML style sheet. Will trigger the bug. > > The bug is that whenever you have a footnote the XML is incorrect and > the bug is only occurring in the xht outputs so it is caused by whatever > is responsible for producing the XML (Word?). E.g. you get: >

name="_ftn1" title=""> !supportFootnotes]> > style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; > > mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font: > minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times > New Roman"; > > mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language: > EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA'>[1] href="http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/"> > http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/ >

> > The incorrect portions are: > which should be > > The only way for you to fix this, that I am aware, is to open up the > exported source in a suitable editor and hand fix all such errors or to > write a script that does this for you. > > If anyone else has any ideas or comments on the above it would be great > to hear them. If anyone knows for sure whether this is Word or MathType > then we could also report the issue. I will try and follow it up with > some contacts I have who may be able to shed some light but this could > take some time. > > Kind regards, > Emma > > On 22/07/2014 16:38, Susan Kelmer wrote: > > > > We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not > > been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a > > learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. > > > > When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using > > MathType, we are finding two problems: > > > > a.We put page number in the header section of word documents as a > > matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized > > document, and we're not sure why. > > > > b.If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to create > > them), the output to MathPage fails. > > > > None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math > > people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. > > If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! > > > > /Susan Kelmer/ > > > > /Alternate Format Coordinator/ > > > > /Disability Services/ > > > > /University of Colorado/ > > > > /303-735-4836/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140722/c6c46d01/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:51:37 +0100 > From: Emma Cliffe > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions > Message-ID: <53CE9699.6090109@bath.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > > Hi Susan, > > Sorry for a second mail, that fixes the bug but leaves the footnote link > an empty string. You would also need to add something in to (from the > example below): > name="_ftn1" title=""> > e.g > name="_ftn1" title="">link > so that the footnote link was visible and clickable. > > Kind regards, > Emma > > On 22/07/2014 17:42, Emma Cliffe wrote: > > > > Dear Susan, > > > > If I understand it correctly running conversion to MathPage is using > > Word's conversion tools for some of the work. This is likely to be the > > issue with the page numbers, as far as I am aware Word does not > > convert headers or footers when converting to web formats. This was > > certainly true in Word 2003 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212270 and > > I imagine is still the case as one might ask what a header or footer > > is intended to be in this format since the whole document is converted > > to a single page - I understand why you want the numbers in this case > > but you'll have to include them a different way. > > > > I am running Word 2010 with MathType 6.9. The footnotes issue is only > > occurring in some conversions and I can explain what is happening and > > a nasty fix but it looks like a bug. Not sure whose bug though, could > > be Word or MathType. Publish to MathPage you have 5 options for MathML > > in 6.9 (fewer in earlier versions I imagine). Some of these will not > > trigger the bug but they may not be the format you want. Some will > > trigger the bug. > > 1. HTML + MathJax: Produces a .htm file with MathJax handling the > > rendering of MathML equations. Will not trigger the bug. > > 2. XHTML + MathJax: Produces a .xht file with MathJax handling the > > rendering of MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. > > 3. XHTML + MathML: Produces a .xht file with native rendering of the > > MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. > > 4. MathPlayer (IE behavior): Produces a .htm file with equations which > > will only be rendered by MathPlayer + IE<10. Will not trigger the bug. > > 5. Multi-browser (UMSS): Produces a .xht file with equations in MathML > > using the universal MathML style sheet. Will trigger the bug. > > > > The bug is that whenever you have a footnote the XML is incorrect and > > the bug is only occurring in the xht outputs so it is caused by > > whatever is responsible for producing the XML (Word?). E.g. you get: > >

> name="_ftn1" title=""> > !supportFootnotes]> > > style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; > > > mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font: > > minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times > > New Roman"; > > > mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language: > > EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA'>[1] > href="http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/"> > http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/ > >

> > > > The incorrect portions are: > > which should be > > > > The only way for you to fix this, that I am aware, is to open up the > > exported source in a suitable editor and hand fix all such errors or > > to write a script that does this for you. > > > > If anyone else has any ideas or comments on the above it would be > > great to hear them. If anyone knows for sure whether this is Word or > > MathType then we could also report the issue. I will try and follow it > > up with some contacts I have who may be able to shed some light but > > this could take some time. > > > > Kind regards, > > Emma > > > > On 22/07/2014 16:38, Susan Kelmer wrote: > >> > >> We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not > >> been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a > >> learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. > >> > >> When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using > >> MathType, we are finding two problems: > >> > >> a.We put page number in the header section of word documents as a > >> matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized > >> document, and we're not sure why. > >> > >> b.If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to > >> create them), the output to MathPage fails. > >> > >> None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math > >> people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. > >> If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! > >> > >> /Susan Kelmer/ > >> > >> /Alternate Format Coordinator/ > >> > >> /Disability Services/ > >> > >> /University of Colorado/ > >> > >> /303-735-4836/ > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> athen-list mailing list > >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140722/79c2b014/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > ------------------------------ > > End of athen-list Digest, Vol 102, Issue 15 > ******************************************* > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SolowoniukR at macewan.ca Thu Jul 24 13:40:39 2014 From: SolowoniukR at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53D11AE7020000EC0003201F@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> Hi Michelle, Have you tried using Google Chrome and VoiceOver? I've never used D2L, so not sure if this combination will work any better than Safari and VO, but worth a shot? Thanks, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. >>> Michele Bromley 7/24/2014 10:15 AM >>> Keith, Kenneth, Russell, et al., We are dealing with VoiceOver Mac. I've had the opportunity over the last week to do some more digging with regard to this accessibility issue. It appears that the discussion board function in D2L is essentially inaccessible in Safari when using VoiceOver. We found that was it nearly impossible to navigate into the edit text area, and even when students were able to do so with assistance, VoiceOver would not read words out loud as they were typed. I'm tentatively concluding that this is a VoiceOver/Safari issue since we were able to navigate through the discussion board functions easily using JAWS on a separate computer. Unfortunately, this is still a big issue since many of our students use Macintosh computers. I'm looking into ChromeVox as a possible alternative--I haven't had a chance yet to take it out for a spin. I'm not currently aware of any other open source screen reading software that works with the most recent Mac operating system. Thank you for any recommendations! *Michele Joy Bromley* Inclusive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Office: 116A SMSU Phone: (503) 725-8395 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu Website: www.pdx.edu/drc Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, < athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu> wrote: > Send athen-list mailing list submissions to > athen-list@u.washington.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility (Petri, Kenneth) > 2. Re: D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility (Russell Solowoniuk) > 3. MathType/MathML questions (Susan Kelmer) > 4. Re: MathType/MathML questions (Emma Cliffe) > 5. Re: MathType/MathML questions (Emma Cliffe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:34:46 +0000 > From: "Petri, Kenneth" > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility > Message-ID: > < > D70BE03EA74F81468EAA4F5320EB7A51746CAF84@CIO-TNC-D2MBX04.osuad.osu.edu> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Michelle, > > I would definitely contact D2L directly with any specific issues. They > have staff dedicated to accessibility. > > OSU runs D2L and I have been involved in helping improve its accessibility > over the years. If you can tell me where the student is having issues, I > can verify and post an email to the D2L accessibility interest group list ? > maybe it should be doing more to verify accessibility on VoiceOver? > > As Keith mentioned, it is necessary to know if this is VO Mac or on iOS. > In my experience, VO on the Mac is not a terribly good screen reader when > using complex web applications. On iOS the implementation is much better > (though very different, as well). > > But in any case, I?m pretty sure the D2L community would be interested in > your student?s experience. > > Best, > ken > > [The Ohio State University] > Ken Petri, Program Director > Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for > Disability Services > 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 > 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax > petri.1@osu.edu | wac.osu.edu > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > On Behalf Of Michele Bromley > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:50 PM > To: DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility > > Hello all, > I'm curious to hear from other schools who are using D2L as a learning > management system. We have a blind student who has been having some serious > navigation issues with D2L in Safari. VoiceOver is simply not working in > some cases. VoiceOver appears to work well with other websites in Safari, > so this seems to be a D2L issue. > Has anyone else encountered this problem? Thank you for any > recommendations! > > Michele Joy Bromley > Inclusive Technology Coordinator > Disability Resource Center > Portland State University > > Office: 116A SMSU > Phone: (503) 725-8395 > Fax: (503) 725-4103 > Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu > Website: www.pdx.edu/drc > Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140721/520b6d63/attachment-0001.html > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.png > Type: image/png > Size: 3605 bytes > Desc: image001.png > URL: < > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140721/520b6d63/attachment-0001.png > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:53:38 -0600 > From: "Russell Solowoniuk" > To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" > > Subject: Re: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility > Message-ID: <53CD4592020000EC00031EEB@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 > > Hi Michelle, > > Something you could try is to change the user agent that Safari uses. > To do this you need to go into Safari preferences, choose the "Advanced" > tab, and check the choice to "Show Develop menu in Menubar". Then, on > the menubar, choose Develop, User Agent, and you will see a list of > various user agents, for example, Internet Explorer 8, 9, or 10, > Firefox, Google Chrome, Safari IOS 7 for iPhone, etc. Try experimenting > with different user agents when in the D2L environment and see if any of > them work better. > > Hope this helps, > > Russell > > Russell Solowoniuk > AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities > MacEwan University > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > T: 780-497-5826 > F: 780-497-4018 > macewan.ca > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it > is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or > subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > >>> "Petri, Kenneth" 7/21/2014 4:34 PM >>> > Michelle, > > I would definitely contact D2L directly with any specific issues. They > have staff dedicated to accessibility. > > OSU runs D2L and I have been involved in helping improve its > accessibility over the years. If you can tell me where the student is > having issues, I can verify and post an email to the D2L accessibility > interest group list * maybe it should be doing more to verify > accessibility on VoiceOver? > > As Keith mentioned, it is necessary to know if this is VO Mac or on > iOS. In my experience, VO on the Mac is not a terribly good screen > reader when using complex web applications. On iOS the implementation is > much better (though very different, as well). > > But in any case, I*m pretty sure the D2L community would be > interested in your student*s experience. > > Best, > ken > > [The Ohio State University] > Ken Petri, Program Director > Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for > Disability Services > 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 > 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax > petri.1@osu.edu | > wac.osu.edu > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > On Behalf Of Michele Bromley > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:50 PM > To: DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility > > Hello all, > I'm curious to hear from other schools who are using D2L as a learning > management system. We have a blind student who has been having some > serious navigation issues with D2L in Safari. VoiceOver is simply not > working in some cases. VoiceOver appears to work well with other > websites in Safari, so this seems to be a D2L issue. > Has anyone else encountered this problem? Thank you for any > recommendations! > > Michele Joy Bromley > Inclusive Technology Coordinator > Disability Resource Center > Portland State University > > Office: 116A SMSU > Phone: (503) 725-8395 > Fax: (503) 725-4103 > Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu > Website: www.pdx.edu/drc > Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:38:17 -0600 > From: Susan Kelmer > To: "dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu" , > "Access Technology Higher Education Network > (athen-list@u.washington.edu)" > Subject: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions > Message-ID: > <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB9A7@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not been > our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a learning > mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. > > When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using > MathType, we are finding two problems: > > a. We put page number in the header section of word documents as a > matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized document, > and we're not sure why. > > b. If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to > create them), the output to MathPage fails. > > None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math > people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. If > someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! > > Susan Kelmer > Alternate Format Coordinator > Disability Services > University of Colorado > 303-735-4836 > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140722/1f97e440/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:42:30 +0100 > From: Emma Cliffe > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions > Message-ID: <53CE9476.4060607@bath.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > > Dear Susan, > > If I understand it correctly running conversion to MathPage is using > Word's conversion tools for some of the work. This is likely to be the > issue with the page numbers, as far as I am aware Word does not convert > headers or footers when converting to web formats. This was certainly > true in Word 2003 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212270 and I imagine > is still the case as one might ask what a header or footer is intended > to be in this format since the whole document is converted to a single > page - I understand why you want the numbers in this case but you'll > have to include them a different way. > > I am running Word 2010 with MathType 6.9. The footnotes issue is only > occurring in some conversions and I can explain what is happening and a > nasty fix but it looks like a bug. Not sure whose bug though, could be > Word or MathType. Publish to MathPage you have 5 options for MathML in > 6.9 (fewer in earlier versions I imagine). Some of these will not > trigger the bug but they may not be the format you want. Some will > trigger the bug. > 1. HTML + MathJax: Produces a .htm file with MathJax handling the > rendering of MathML equations. Will not trigger the bug. > 2. XHTML + MathJax: Produces a .xht file with MathJax handling the > rendering of MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. > 3. XHTML + MathML: Produces a .xht file with native rendering of the > MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. > 4. MathPlayer (IE behavior): Produces a .htm file with equations which > will only be rendered by MathPlayer + IE<10. Will not trigger the bug. > 5. Multi-browser (UMSS): Produces a .xht file with equations in MathML > using the universal MathML style sheet. Will trigger the bug. > > The bug is that whenever you have a footnote the XML is incorrect and > the bug is only occurring in the xht outputs so it is caused by whatever > is responsible for producing the XML (Word?). E.g. you get: >

name="_ftn1" title=""> !supportFootnotes]> > style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; > > mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font: > minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times > New Roman"; > > mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language: > EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA'>[1] href="http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/"> > http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/ >

> > The incorrect portions are: > which should be > > The only way for you to fix this, that I am aware, is to open up the > exported source in a suitable editor and hand fix all such errors or to > write a script that does this for you. > > If anyone else has any ideas or comments on the above it would be great > to hear them. If anyone knows for sure whether this is Word or MathType > then we could also report the issue. I will try and follow it up with > some contacts I have who may be able to shed some light but this could > take some time. > > Kind regards, > Emma > > On 22/07/2014 16:38, Susan Kelmer wrote: > > > > We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not > > been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a > > learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. > > > > When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using > > MathType, we are finding two problems: > > > > a.We put page number in the header section of word documents as a > > matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized > > document, and we're not sure why. > > > > b.If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to create > > them), the output to MathPage fails. > > > > None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math > > people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. > > If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! > > > > /Susan Kelmer/ > > > > /Alternate Format Coordinator/ > > > > /Disability Services/ > > > > /University of Colorado/ > > > > /303-735-4836/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140722/c6c46d01/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:51:37 +0100 > From: Emma Cliffe > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions > Message-ID: <53CE9699.6090109@bath.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > > Hi Susan, > > Sorry for a second mail, that fixes the bug but leaves the footnote link > an empty string. You would also need to add something in to (from the > example below): > name="_ftn1" title=""> > e.g > name="_ftn1" title="">link > so that the footnote link was visible and clickable. > > Kind regards, > Emma > > On 22/07/2014 17:42, Emma Cliffe wrote: > > > > Dear Susan, > > > > If I understand it correctly running conversion to MathPage is using > > Word's conversion tools for some of the work. This is likely to be the > > issue with the page numbers, as far as I am aware Word does not > > convert headers or footers when converting to web formats. This was > > certainly true in Word 2003 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212270 and > > I imagine is still the case as one might ask what a header or footer > > is intended to be in this format since the whole document is converted > > to a single page - I understand why you want the numbers in this case > > but you'll have to include them a different way. > > > > I am running Word 2010 with MathType 6.9. The footnotes issue is only > > occurring in some conversions and I can explain what is happening and > > a nasty fix but it looks like a bug. Not sure whose bug though, could > > be Word or MathType. Publish to MathPage you have 5 options for MathML > > in 6.9 (fewer in earlier versions I imagine). Some of these will not > > trigger the bug but they may not be the format you want. Some will > > trigger the bug. > > 1. HTML + MathJax: Produces a .htm file with MathJax handling the > > rendering of MathML equations. Will not trigger the bug. > > 2. XHTML + MathJax: Produces a .xht file with MathJax handling the > > rendering of MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. > > 3. XHTML + MathML: Produces a .xht file with native rendering of the > > MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. > > 4. MathPlayer (IE behavior): Produces a .htm file with equations which > > will only be rendered by MathPlayer + IE<10. Will not trigger the bug. > > 5. Multi-browser (UMSS): Produces a .xht file with equations in MathML > > using the universal MathML style sheet. Will trigger the bug. > > > > The bug is that whenever you have a footnote the XML is incorrect and > > the bug is only occurring in the xht outputs so it is caused by > > whatever is responsible for producing the XML (Word?). E.g. you get: > >

> name="_ftn1" title=""> > !supportFootnotes]> > > style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; > > > mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font: > > minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times > > New Roman"; > > > mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language: > > EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA'>[1] > href="http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/"> > http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/ > >

> > > > The incorrect portions are: > > which should be > > > > The only way for you to fix this, that I am aware, is to open up the > > exported source in a suitable editor and hand fix all such errors or > > to write a script that does this for you. > > > > If anyone else has any ideas or comments on the above it would be > > great to hear them. If anyone knows for sure whether this is Word or > > MathType then we could also report the issue. I will try and follow it > > up with some contacts I have who may be able to shed some light but > > this could take some time. > > > > Kind regards, > > Emma > > > > On 22/07/2014 16:38, Susan Kelmer wrote: > >> > >> We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not > >> been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a > >> learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. > >> > >> When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using > >> MathType, we are finding two problems: > >> > >> a.We put page number in the header section of word documents as a > >> matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized > >> document, and we're not sure why. > >> > >> b.If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to > >> create them), the output to MathPage fails. > >> > >> None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math > >> people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. > >> If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! > >> > >> /Susan Kelmer/ > >> > >> /Alternate Format Coordinator/ > >> > >> /Disability Services/ > >> > >> /University of Colorado/ > >> > >> /303-735-4836/ > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> athen-list mailing list > >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140722/79c2b014/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > ------------------------------ > > End of athen-list Digest, Vol 102, Issue 15 > ******************************************* > From ache2 at pdx.edu Thu Jul 24 14:40:52 2014 From: ache2 at pdx.edu (Angel Chesimet) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility In-Reply-To: <53D11AE7020000EC0003201F@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> References: <53D11AE7020000EC0003201F@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> Message-ID: <288BFBB0-CF49-40AF-9254-6282E641E7A3@pdx.edu> Google Chrome works with Chrome Vox . I'm currently doing testing with Chrome Vox and it works pretty well with D2L. However it still has some glitches. Using a combination of jaws and chrome Vox to access D2L would probably work the best Angel Chesimet Graduate Candidate Spring, 2015 Clinical Rehabilitation Counseling Portland State University Mobile: 503-470-2626 > On Jul 24, 2014, at 1:40 PM, "Russell Solowoniuk" wrote: > > Hi Michelle, > > Have you tried using Google Chrome and VoiceOver? I've never used D2L, so not sure if this combination will work any better than Safari and VO, but worth a shot? > > Thanks, > > Russell > > Russell Solowoniuk > AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities > MacEwan University > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > T: 780-497-5826 > F: 780-497-4018 > macewan.ca > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > >>>> Michele Bromley 7/24/2014 10:15 AM >>> > Keith, Kenneth, Russell, et al., > > We are dealing with VoiceOver Mac. I've had the opportunity over the last > week to do some more digging with regard to this accessibility issue. It > appears that the discussion board function in D2L is essentially > inaccessible in Safari when using VoiceOver. We found that was it nearly > impossible to navigate into the edit text area, and even when students were > able to do so with assistance, VoiceOver would not read words out loud as > they were typed. > > I'm tentatively concluding that this is a VoiceOver/Safari issue since we > were able to navigate through the discussion board functions easily using > JAWS on a separate computer. Unfortunately, this is still a big issue since > many of our students use Macintosh computers. > > I'm looking into ChromeVox as a possible alternative--I haven't had a > chance yet to take it out for a spin. I'm not currently aware of any other > open source screen reading software that works with the most recent Mac > operating system. > > Thank you for any recommendations! > > *Michele Joy Bromley* > Inclusive Technology Coordinator > Disability Resource Center > Portland State University > > Office: 116A SMSU > Phone: (503) 725-8395 > Fax: (503) 725-4103 > Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu > Website: www.pdx.edu/drc > Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, < > athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu> wrote: > >> Send athen-list mailing list submissions to >> athen-list@u.washington.edu >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility (Petri, Kenneth) >> 2. Re: D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility (Russell Solowoniuk) >> 3. MathType/MathML questions (Susan Kelmer) >> 4. Re: MathType/MathML questions (Emma Cliffe) >> 5. Re: MathType/MathML questions (Emma Cliffe) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:34:46 +0000 >> From: "Petri, Kenneth" >> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> >> Subject: Re: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility >> Message-ID: >> < >> D70BE03EA74F81468EAA4F5320EB7A51746CAF84@CIO-TNC-D2MBX04.osuad.osu.edu> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Michelle, >> >> I would definitely contact D2L directly with any specific issues. They >> have staff dedicated to accessibility. >> >> OSU runs D2L and I have been involved in helping improve its accessibility >> over the years. If you can tell me where the student is having issues, I >> can verify and post an email to the D2L accessibility interest group list ? >> maybe it should be doing more to verify accessibility on VoiceOver? >> >> As Keith mentioned, it is necessary to know if this is VO Mac or on iOS. >> In my experience, VO on the Mac is not a terribly good screen reader when >> using complex web applications. On iOS the implementation is much better >> (though very different, as well). >> >> But in any case, I?m pretty sure the D2L community would be interested in >> your student?s experience. >> >> Best, >> ken >> >> [The Ohio State University] >> Ken Petri, Program Director >> Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for >> Disability Services >> 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 >> 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax >> petri.1@osu.edu | wac.osu.edu >> >> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] >> On Behalf Of Michele Bromley >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:50 PM >> To: DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu >> Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility >> >> Hello all, >> I'm curious to hear from other schools who are using D2L as a learning >> management system. We have a blind student who has been having some serious >> navigation issues with D2L in Safari. VoiceOver is simply not working in >> some cases. VoiceOver appears to work well with other websites in Safari, >> so this seems to be a D2L issue. >> Has anyone else encountered this problem? Thank you for any >> recommendations! >> >> Michele Joy Bromley >> Inclusive Technology Coordinator >> Disability Resource Center >> Portland State University >> >> Office: 116A SMSU >> Phone: (503) 725-8395 >> Fax: (503) 725-4103 >> Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu >> Website: www.pdx.edu/drc >> Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140721/520b6d63/attachment-0001.html >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: image001.png >> Type: image/png >> Size: 3605 bytes >> Desc: image001.png >> URL: < >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140721/520b6d63/attachment-0001.png >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:53:38 -0600 >> From: "Russell Solowoniuk" >> To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" >> >> Subject: Re: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility >> Message-ID: <53CD4592020000EC00031EEB@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 >> >> Hi Michelle, >> >> Something you could try is to change the user agent that Safari uses. >> To do this you need to go into Safari preferences, choose the "Advanced" >> tab, and check the choice to "Show Develop menu in Menubar". Then, on >> the menubar, choose Develop, User Agent, and you will see a list of >> various user agents, for example, Internet Explorer 8, 9, or 10, >> Firefox, Google Chrome, Safari IOS 7 for iPhone, etc. Try experimenting >> with different user agents when in the D2L environment and see if any of >> them work better. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Russell >> >> Russell Solowoniuk >> AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities >> MacEwan University >> 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. >> Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 >> E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca >> T: 780-497-5826 >> F: 780-497-4018 >> macewan.ca >> This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it >> is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged >> information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended >> recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take >> action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or >> subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. >> Please consider the environment before printing this email. >> >> >>>>> "Petri, Kenneth" 7/21/2014 4:34 PM >>> >> Michelle, >> >> I would definitely contact D2L directly with any specific issues. They >> have staff dedicated to accessibility. >> >> OSU runs D2L and I have been involved in helping improve its >> accessibility over the years. If you can tell me where the student is >> having issues, I can verify and post an email to the D2L accessibility >> interest group list * maybe it should be doing more to verify >> accessibility on VoiceOver? >> >> As Keith mentioned, it is necessary to know if this is VO Mac or on >> iOS. In my experience, VO on the Mac is not a terribly good screen >> reader when using complex web applications. On iOS the implementation is >> much better (though very different, as well). >> >> But in any case, I*m pretty sure the D2L community would be >> interested in your student*s experience. >> >> Best, >> ken >> >> [The Ohio State University] >> Ken Petri, Program Director >> Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for >> Disability Services >> 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 >> 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax >> petri.1@osu.edu | >> wac.osu.edu >> >> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] >> On Behalf Of Michele Bromley >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:50 PM >> To: DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu >> Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility >> >> Hello all, >> I'm curious to hear from other schools who are using D2L as a learning >> management system. We have a blind student who has been having some >> serious navigation issues with D2L in Safari. VoiceOver is simply not >> working in some cases. VoiceOver appears to work well with other >> websites in Safari, so this seems to be a D2L issue. >> Has anyone else encountered this problem? Thank you for any >> recommendations! >> >> Michele Joy Bromley >> Inclusive Technology Coordinator >> Disability Resource Center >> Portland State University >> >> Office: 116A SMSU >> Phone: (503) 725-8395 >> Fax: (503) 725-4103 >> Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu >> Website: www.pdx.edu/drc >> Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:38:17 -0600 >> From: Susan Kelmer >> To: "dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu" , >> "Access Technology Higher Education Network >> (athen-list@u.washington.edu)" >> Subject: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions >> Message-ID: >> <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB9A7@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not been >> our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a learning >> mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. >> >> When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using >> MathType, we are finding two problems: >> >> a. We put page number in the header section of word documents as a >> matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized document, >> and we're not sure why. >> >> b. If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to >> create them), the output to MathPage fails. >> >> None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math >> people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. If >> someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! >> >> Susan Kelmer >> Alternate Format Coordinator >> Disability Services >> University of Colorado >> 303-735-4836 >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140722/1f97e440/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:42:30 +0100 >> From: Emma Cliffe >> To: athen-list@u.washington.edu >> Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions >> Message-ID: <53CE9476.4060607@bath.ac.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" >> >> >> Dear Susan, >> >> If I understand it correctly running conversion to MathPage is using >> Word's conversion tools for some of the work. This is likely to be the >> issue with the page numbers, as far as I am aware Word does not convert >> headers or footers when converting to web formats. This was certainly >> true in Word 2003 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212270 and I imagine >> is still the case as one might ask what a header or footer is intended >> to be in this format since the whole document is converted to a single >> page - I understand why you want the numbers in this case but you'll >> have to include them a different way. >> >> I am running Word 2010 with MathType 6.9. The footnotes issue is only >> occurring in some conversions and I can explain what is happening and a >> nasty fix but it looks like a bug. Not sure whose bug though, could be >> Word or MathType. Publish to MathPage you have 5 options for MathML in >> 6.9 (fewer in earlier versions I imagine). Some of these will not >> trigger the bug but they may not be the format you want. Some will >> trigger the bug. >> 1. HTML + MathJax: Produces a .htm file with MathJax handling the >> rendering of MathML equations. Will not trigger the bug. >> 2. XHTML + MathJax: Produces a .xht file with MathJax handling the >> rendering of MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. >> 3. XHTML + MathML: Produces a .xht file with native rendering of the >> MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. >> 4. MathPlayer (IE behavior): Produces a .htm file with equations which >> will only be rendered by MathPlayer + IE<10. Will not trigger the bug. >> 5. Multi-browser (UMSS): Produces a .xht file with equations in MathML >> using the universal MathML style sheet. Will trigger the bug. >> >> The bug is that whenever you have a footnote the XML is incorrect and >> the bug is only occurring in the xht outputs so it is caused by whatever >> is responsible for producing the XML (Word?). E.g. you get: >>

> name="_ftn1" title="">> !supportFootnotes]>> >> style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; >> >> mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font: >> minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times >> New Roman"; >> >> mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language: >> EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA'>[1] > href="http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/"> >> http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/ >>

>> >> The incorrect portions are: >> which should be >> >> The only way for you to fix this, that I am aware, is to open up the >> exported source in a suitable editor and hand fix all such errors or to >> write a script that does this for you. >> >> If anyone else has any ideas or comments on the above it would be great >> to hear them. If anyone knows for sure whether this is Word or MathType >> then we could also report the issue. I will try and follow it up with >> some contacts I have who may be able to shed some light but this could >> take some time. >> >> Kind regards, >> Emma >> >>> On 22/07/2014 16:38, Susan Kelmer wrote: >>> >>> We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not >>> been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a >>> learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. >>> >>> When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using >>> MathType, we are finding two problems: >>> >>> a.We put page number in the header section of word documents as a >>> matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized >>> document, and we're not sure why. >>> >>> b.If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to create >>> them), the output to MathPage fails. >>> >>> None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math >>> people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. >>> If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! >>> >>> /Susan Kelmer/ >>> >>> /Alternate Format Coordinator/ >>> >>> /Disability Services/ >>> >>> /University of Colorado/ >>> >>> /303-735-4836/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140722/c6c46d01/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:51:37 +0100 >> From: Emma Cliffe >> To: athen-list@u.washington.edu >> Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions >> Message-ID: <53CE9699.6090109@bath.ac.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" >> >> >> Hi Susan, >> >> Sorry for a second mail, that fixes the bug but leaves the footnote link >> an empty string. You would also need to add something in to (from the >> example below): >> > name="_ftn1" title=""> >> e.g >> > name="_ftn1" title="">link >> so that the footnote link was visible and clickable. >> >> Kind regards, >> Emma >> >>> On 22/07/2014 17:42, Emma Cliffe wrote: >>> >>> Dear Susan, >>> >>> If I understand it correctly running conversion to MathPage is using >>> Word's conversion tools for some of the work. This is likely to be the >>> issue with the page numbers, as far as I am aware Word does not >>> convert headers or footers when converting to web formats. This was >>> certainly true in Word 2003 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212270 and >>> I imagine is still the case as one might ask what a header or footer >>> is intended to be in this format since the whole document is converted >>> to a single page - I understand why you want the numbers in this case >>> but you'll have to include them a different way. >>> >>> I am running Word 2010 with MathType 6.9. The footnotes issue is only >>> occurring in some conversions and I can explain what is happening and >>> a nasty fix but it looks like a bug. Not sure whose bug though, could >>> be Word or MathType. Publish to MathPage you have 5 options for MathML >>> in 6.9 (fewer in earlier versions I imagine). Some of these will not >>> trigger the bug but they may not be the format you want. Some will >>> trigger the bug. >>> 1. HTML + MathJax: Produces a .htm file with MathJax handling the >>> rendering of MathML equations. Will not trigger the bug. >>> 2. XHTML + MathJax: Produces a .xht file with MathJax handling the >>> rendering of MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. >>> 3. XHTML + MathML: Produces a .xht file with native rendering of the >>> MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. >>> 4. MathPlayer (IE behavior): Produces a .htm file with equations which >>> will only be rendered by MathPlayer + IE<10. Will not trigger the bug. >>> 5. Multi-browser (UMSS): Produces a .xht file with equations in MathML >>> using the universal MathML style sheet. Will trigger the bug. >>> >>> The bug is that whenever you have a footnote the XML is incorrect and >>> the bug is only occurring in the xht outputs so it is caused by >>> whatever is responsible for producing the XML (Word?). E.g. you get: >>>

>> name="_ftn1" title="">>> !supportFootnotes]>> style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; >> mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font: >>> minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times >>> New Roman"; >> mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language: >>> EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA'>[1] >> href="http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/"> >> http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/ >>>

>>> >>> The incorrect portions are: >>> which should be >>> >>> The only way for you to fix this, that I am aware, is to open up the >>> exported source in a suitable editor and hand fix all such errors or >>> to write a script that does this for you. >>> >>> If anyone else has any ideas or comments on the above it would be >>> great to hear them. If anyone knows for sure whether this is Word or >>> MathType then we could also report the issue. I will try and follow it >>> up with some contacts I have who may be able to shed some light but >>> this could take some time. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Emma >>> >>>> On 22/07/2014 16:38, Susan Kelmer wrote: >>>> >>>> We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not >>>> been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a >>>> learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. >>>> >>>> When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using >>>> MathType, we are finding two problems: >>>> >>>> a.We put page number in the header section of word documents as a >>>> matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized >>>> document, and we're not sure why. >>>> >>>> b.If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to >>>> create them), the output to MathPage fails. >>>> >>>> None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math >>>> people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. >>>> If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! >>>> >>>> /Susan Kelmer/ >>>> >>>> /Alternate Format Coordinator/ >>>> >>>> /Disability Services/ >>>> >>>> /University of Colorado/ >>>> >>>> /303-735-4836/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> athen-list mailing list >>>> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >>>> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140722/79c2b014/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of athen-list Digest, Vol 102, Issue 15 >> ******************************************* > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ron at ahead.org Thu Jul 24 15:30:53 2014 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <063401cfa78e$eeb5cc00$cc216400$@ahead.org> I would recommend trying it with WebKit instead of Safari. There seems to be much less of an issue when using the base package instead of the pretty user interface. Ron Stewart From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Michele Bromley Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:15 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility Keith, Kenneth, Russell, et al., We are dealing with VoiceOver Mac. I've had the opportunity over the last week to do some more digging with regard to this accessibility issue. It appears that the discussion board function in D2L is essentially inaccessible in Safari when using VoiceOver. We found that was it nearly impossible to navigate into the edit text area, and even when students were able to do so with assistance, VoiceOver would not read words out loud as they were typed. I'm tentatively concluding that this is a VoiceOver/Safari issue since we were able to navigate through the discussion board functions easily using JAWS on a separate computer. Unfortunately, this is still a big issue since many of our students use Macintosh computers. I'm looking into ChromeVox as a possible alternative--I haven't had a chance yet to take it out for a spin. I'm not currently aware of any other open source screen reading software that works with the most recent Mac operating system. Thank you for any recommendations! Michele Joy Bromley Inclusive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Office: 116A SMSU Phone: (503) 725-8395 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu Website: www.pdx.edu/drc Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, wrote: Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility (Petri, Kenneth) 2. Re: D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility (Russell Solowoniuk) 3. MathType/MathML questions (Susan Kelmer) 4. Re: MathType/MathML questions (Emma Cliffe) 5. Re: MathType/MathML questions (Emma Cliffe) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:34:46 +0000 From: "Petri, Kenneth" To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Michelle, I would definitely contact D2L directly with any specific issues. They have staff dedicated to accessibility. OSU runs D2L and I have been involved in helping improve its accessibility over the years. If you can tell me where the student is having issues, I can verify and post an email to the D2L accessibility interest group list ? maybe it should be doing more to verify accessibility on VoiceOver? As Keith mentioned, it is necessary to know if this is VO Mac or on iOS. In my experience, VO on the Mac is not a terribly good screen reader when using complex web applications. On iOS the implementation is much better (though very different, as well). But in any case, I?m pretty sure the D2L community would be interested in your student?s experience. Best, ken [The Ohio State University] Ken Petri, Program Director Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for Disability Services 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax petri.1@osu.edu | wac.osu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Michele Bromley Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:50 PM To: DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility Hello all, I'm curious to hear from other schools who are using D2L as a learning management system. We have a blind student who has been having some serious navigation issues with D2L in Safari. VoiceOver is simply not working in some cases. VoiceOver appears to work well with other websites in Safari, so this seems to be a D2L issue. Has anyone else encountered this problem? Thank you for any recommendations! Michele Joy Bromley Inclusive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Office: 116A SMSU Phone: (503) 725-8395 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu Website: www.pdx.edu/drc Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope this helps, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. >>> "Petri, Kenneth" 7/21/2014 4:34 PM >>> Michelle, I would definitely contact D2L directly with any specific issues. They have staff dedicated to accessibility. OSU runs D2L and I have been involved in helping improve its accessibility over the years. If you can tell me where the student is having issues, I can verify and post an email to the D2L accessibility interest group list * maybe it should be doing more to verify accessibility on VoiceOver? As Keith mentioned, it is necessary to know if this is VO Mac or on iOS. In my experience, VO on the Mac is not a terribly good screen reader when using complex web applications. On iOS the implementation is much better (though very different, as well). But in any case, I*m pretty sure the D2L community would be interested in your student*s experience. Best, ken [The Ohio State University] Ken Petri, Program Director Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for Disability Services 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax petri.1@osu.edu | wac.osu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Michele Bromley Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:50 PM To: DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility Hello all, I'm curious to hear from other schools who are using D2L as a learning management system. We have a blind student who has been having some serious navigation issues with D2L in Safari. VoiceOver is simply not working in some cases. VoiceOver appears to work well with other websites in Safari, so this seems to be a D2L issue. Has anyone else encountered this problem? Thank you for any recommendations! Michele Joy Bromley Inclusive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Office: 116A SMSU Phone: (503) 725-8395 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu Website: www.pdx.edu/drc Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:38:17 -0600 From: Susan Kelmer To: "dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu" , "Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu)" Subject: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions Message-ID: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB9A7@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using MathType, we are finding two problems: a. We put page number in the header section of word documents as a matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized document, and we're not sure why. b. If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to create them), the output to MathPage fails. None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:42:30 +0100 From: Emma Cliffe To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions Message-ID: <53CE9476.4060607@bath.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Dear Susan, If I understand it correctly running conversion to MathPage is using Word's conversion tools for some of the work. This is likely to be the issue with the page numbers, as far as I am aware Word does not convert headers or footers when converting to web formats. This was certainly true in Word 2003 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212270 and I imagine is still the case as one might ask what a header or footer is intended to be in this format since the whole document is converted to a single page - I understand why you want the numbers in this case but you'll have to include them a different way. I am running Word 2010 with MathType 6.9. The footnotes issue is only occurring in some conversions and I can explain what is happening and a nasty fix but it looks like a bug. Not sure whose bug though, could be Word or MathType. Publish to MathPage you have 5 options for MathML in 6.9 (fewer in earlier versions I imagine). Some of these will not trigger the bug but they may not be the format you want. Some will trigger the bug. 1. HTML + MathJax: Produces a .htm file with MathJax handling the rendering of MathML equations. Will not trigger the bug. 2. XHTML + MathJax: Produces a .xht file with MathJax handling the rendering of MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. 3. XHTML + MathML: Produces a .xht file with native rendering of the MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. 4. MathPlayer (IE behavior): Produces a .htm file with equations which will only be rendered by MathPlayer + IE<10. Will not trigger the bug. 5. Multi-browser (UMSS): Produces a .xht file with equations in MathML using the universal MathML style sheet. Will trigger the bug. The bug is that whenever you have a footnote the XML is incorrect and the bug is only occurring in the xht outputs so it is caused by whatever is responsible for producing the XML (Word?). E.g. you get:

[1] http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/

The incorrect portions are: which should be The only way for you to fix this, that I am aware, is to open up the exported source in a suitable editor and hand fix all such errors or to write a script that does this for you. If anyone else has any ideas or comments on the above it would be great to hear them. If anyone knows for sure whether this is Word or MathType then we could also report the issue. I will try and follow it up with some contacts I have who may be able to shed some light but this could take some time. Kind regards, Emma On 22/07/2014 16:38, Susan Kelmer wrote: > > We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not > been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a > learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. > > When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using > MathType, we are finding two problems: > > a.We put page number in the header section of word documents as a > matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized > document, and we're not sure why. > > b.If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to create > them), the output to MathPage fails. > > None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math > people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. > If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! > > /Susan Kelmer/ > > /Alternate Format Coordinator/ > > /Disability Services/ > > /University of Colorado/ > > /303-735-4836/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:51:37 +0100 From: Emma Cliffe To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions Message-ID: <53CE9699.6090109@bath.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" Hi Susan, Sorry for a second mail, that fixes the bug but leaves the footnote link an empty string. You would also need to add something in to (from the example below): e.g link so that the footnote link was visible and clickable. Kind regards, Emma On 22/07/2014 17:42, Emma Cliffe wrote: > > Dear Susan, > > If I understand it correctly running conversion to MathPage is using > Word's conversion tools for some of the work. This is likely to be the > issue with the page numbers, as far as I am aware Word does not > convert headers or footers when converting to web formats. This was > certainly true in Word 2003 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212270 and > I imagine is still the case as one might ask what a header or footer > is intended to be in this format since the whole document is converted > to a single page - I understand why you want the numbers in this case > but you'll have to include them a different way. > > I am running Word 2010 with MathType 6.9. The footnotes issue is only > occurring in some conversions and I can explain what is happening and > a nasty fix but it looks like a bug. Not sure whose bug though, could > be Word or MathType. Publish to MathPage you have 5 options for MathML > in 6.9 (fewer in earlier versions I imagine). Some of these will not > trigger the bug but they may not be the format you want. Some will > trigger the bug. > 1. HTML + MathJax: Produces a .htm file with MathJax handling the > rendering of MathML equations. Will not trigger the bug. > 2. XHTML + MathJax: Produces a .xht file with MathJax handling the > rendering of MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. > 3. XHTML + MathML: Produces a .xht file with native rendering of the > MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. > 4. MathPlayer (IE behavior): Produces a .htm file with equations which > will only be rendered by MathPlayer + IE<10. Will not trigger the bug. > 5. Multi-browser (UMSS): Produces a .xht file with equations in MathML > using the universal MathML style sheet. Will trigger the bug. > > The bug is that whenever you have a footnote the XML is incorrect and > the bug is only occurring in the xht outputs so it is caused by > whatever is responsible for producing the XML (Word?). E.g. you get: >

name="_ftn1" title=""> !supportFootnotes]> style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; > mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font: > minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times > New Roman"; > mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language: > EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA'>[1] href="http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/">http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/ >

> > The incorrect portions are: > which should be > > The only way for you to fix this, that I am aware, is to open up the > exported source in a suitable editor and hand fix all such errors or > to write a script that does this for you. > > If anyone else has any ideas or comments on the above it would be > great to hear them. If anyone knows for sure whether this is Word or > MathType then we could also report the issue. I will try and follow it > up with some contacts I have who may be able to shed some light but > this could take some time. > > Kind regards, > Emma > > On 22/07/2014 16:38, Susan Kelmer wrote: >> >> We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not >> been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a >> learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. >> >> When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using >> MathType, we are finding two problems: >> >> a.We put page number in the header section of word documents as a >> matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized >> document, and we're not sure why. >> >> b.If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to >> create them), the output to MathPage fails. >> >> None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math >> people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. >> If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! >> >> /Susan Kelmer/ >> >> /Alternate Format Coordinator/ >> >> /Disability Services/ >> >> /University of Colorado/ >> >> /303-735-4836/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am also interested to hear others thoughts on how you balance finding compattible technologies while being mindful of the time and cognitive load burden on the student. Best, Erin On 7/24/14, Ron Stewart wrote: > I would recommend trying it with WebKit instead of Safari. There seems to be > much less of an issue when using the base package instead of the pretty user > interface. > > > > Ron Stewart > > > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On > Behalf Of Michele Bromley > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:15 AM > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: Re: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility > > > > Keith, Kenneth, Russell, et al., > > We are dealing with VoiceOver Mac. I've had the opportunity over the last > week to do some more digging with regard to this accessibility issue. It > appears that the discussion board function in D2L is essentially > inaccessible in Safari when using VoiceOver. We found that was it nearly > impossible to navigate into the edit text area, and even when students were > able to do so with assistance, VoiceOver would not read words out loud as > they were typed. > > I'm tentatively concluding that this is a VoiceOver/Safari issue since we > were able to navigate through the discussion board functions easily using > JAWS on a separate computer. Unfortunately, this is still a big issue since > many of our students use Macintosh computers. > > I'm looking into ChromeVox as a possible alternative--I haven't had a chance > yet to take it out for a spin. I'm not currently aware of any other open > source screen reading software that works with the most recent Mac operating > system. > > Thank you for any recommendations! > > Michele Joy Bromley > > Inclusive Technology Coordinator > > Disability Resource Center > > Portland State University > > > Office: 116A SMSU > > Phone: (503) 725-8395 > > Fax: (503) 725-4103 > > Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu > > Website: www.pdx.edu/drc > > Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc > > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, > wrote: > > Send athen-list mailing list submissions to > athen-list@u.washington.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility (Petri, Kenneth) > 2. Re: D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility (Russell Solowoniuk) > 3. MathType/MathML questions (Susan Kelmer) > 4. Re: MathType/MathML questions (Emma Cliffe) > 5. Re: MathType/MathML questions (Emma Cliffe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:34:46 +0000 > From: "Petri, Kenneth" > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Michelle, > > I would definitely contact D2L directly with any specific issues. They have > staff dedicated to accessibility. > > OSU runs D2L and I have been involved in helping improve its accessibility > over the years. If you can tell me where the student is having issues, I can > verify and post an email to the D2L accessibility interest group list ? > maybe it should be doing more to verify accessibility on VoiceOver? > > As Keith mentioned, it is necessary to know if this is VO Mac or on iOS. In > my experience, VO on the Mac is not a terribly good screen reader when using > complex web applications. On iOS the implementation is much better (though > very different, as well). > > But in any case, I?m pretty sure the D2L community would be interested in > your student?s experience. > > Best, > ken > > [The Ohio State University] > Ken Petri, Program Director > Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for Disability > Services > 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 > 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax > petri.1@osu.edu | wac.osu.edu > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On > Behalf Of Michele Bromley > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:50 PM > To: DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility > > Hello all, > I'm curious to hear from other schools who are using D2L as a learning > management system. We have a blind student who has been having some serious > navigation issues with D2L in Safari. VoiceOver is simply not working in > some cases. VoiceOver appears to work well with other websites in Safari, so > this seems to be a D2L issue. > Has anyone else encountered this problem? Thank you for any > recommendations! > > Michele Joy Bromley > Inclusive Technology Coordinator > Disability Resource Center > Portland State University > > Office: 116A SMSU > Phone: (503) 725-8395 > Fax: (503) 725-4103 > Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu > Website: www.pdx.edu/drc > Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.png > Type: image/png > Size: 3605 bytes > Desc: image001.png > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:53:38 -0600 > From: "Russell Solowoniuk" > To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" > > Subject: Re: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility > Message-ID: <53CD4592020000EC00031EEB@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 > > Hi Michelle, > > Something you could try is to change the user agent that Safari uses. > To do this you need to go into Safari preferences, choose the "Advanced" > tab, and check the choice to "Show Develop menu in Menubar". Then, on > the menubar, choose Develop, User Agent, and you will see a list of > various user agents, for example, Internet Explorer 8, 9, or 10, > Firefox, Google Chrome, Safari IOS 7 for iPhone, etc. Try experimenting > with different user agents when in the D2L environment and see if any of > them work better. > > Hope this helps, > > Russell > > Russell Solowoniuk > AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities > MacEwan University > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > T: 780-497-5826 > F: 780-497-4018 > macewan.ca > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it > is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or > subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > >>>> "Petri, Kenneth" 7/21/2014 4:34 PM >>> > Michelle, > > I would definitely contact D2L directly with any specific issues. They > have staff dedicated to accessibility. > > OSU runs D2L and I have been involved in helping improve its > accessibility over the years. If you can tell me where the student is > having issues, I can verify and post an email to the D2L accessibility > interest group list * maybe it should be doing more to verify > accessibility on VoiceOver? > > As Keith mentioned, it is necessary to know if this is VO Mac or on > iOS. In my experience, VO on the Mac is not a terribly good screen > reader when using complex web applications. On iOS the implementation is > much better (though very different, as well). > > But in any case, I*m pretty sure the D2L community would be > interested in your student*s experience. > > Best, > ken > > [The Ohio State University] > Ken Petri, Program Director > Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for > Disability Services > 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 > 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax > petri.1@osu.edu | > wac.osu.edu > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > On Behalf Of Michele Bromley > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:50 PM > To: DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility > > Hello all, > I'm curious to hear from other schools who are using D2L as a learning > management system. We have a blind student who has been having some > serious navigation issues with D2L in Safari. VoiceOver is simply not > working in some cases. VoiceOver appears to work well with other > websites in Safari, so this seems to be a D2L issue. > Has anyone else encountered this problem? Thank you for any > recommendations! > > Michele Joy Bromley > Inclusive Technology Coordinator > Disability Resource Center > Portland State University > > Office: 116A SMSU > Phone: (503) 725-8395 > Fax: (503) 725-4103 > Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu > Website: www.pdx.edu/drc > Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:38:17 -0600 > From: Susan Kelmer > To: "dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu" , > "Access Technology Higher Education Network > (athen-list@u.washington.edu)" > Subject: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions > Message-ID: > <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB9A7@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not been our > strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a learning mode. > We've discovered a few things, and need some help. > > When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using MathType, > we are finding two problems: > > a. We put page number in the header section of word documents as a > matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized document, > and we're not sure why. > > b. If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to create > them), the output to MathPage fails. > > None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math > people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. If > someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! > > Susan Kelmer > Alternate Format Coordinator > Disability Services > University of Colorado > 303-735-4836 > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:42:30 +0100 > From: Emma Cliffe > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions > Message-ID: <53CE9476.4060607@bath.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > > Dear Susan, > > If I understand it correctly running conversion to MathPage is using > Word's conversion tools for some of the work. This is likely to be the > issue with the page numbers, as far as I am aware Word does not convert > headers or footers when converting to web formats. This was certainly > true in Word 2003 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212270 and I imagine > is still the case as one might ask what a header or footer is intended > to be in this format since the whole document is converted to a single > page - I understand why you want the numbers in this case but you'll > have to include them a different way. > > I am running Word 2010 with MathType 6.9. The footnotes issue is only > occurring in some conversions and I can explain what is happening and a > nasty fix but it looks like a bug. Not sure whose bug though, could be > Word or MathType. Publish to MathPage you have 5 options for MathML in > 6.9 (fewer in earlier versions I imagine). Some of these will not > trigger the bug but they may not be the format you want. Some will > trigger the bug. > 1. HTML + MathJax: Produces a .htm file with MathJax handling the > rendering of MathML equations. Will not trigger the bug. > 2. XHTML + MathJax: Produces a .xht file with MathJax handling the > rendering of MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. > 3. XHTML + MathML: Produces a .xht file with native rendering of the > MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. > 4. MathPlayer (IE behavior): Produces a .htm file with equations which > will only be rendered by MathPlayer + IE<10. Will not trigger the bug. > 5. Multi-browser (UMSS): Produces a .xht file with equations in MathML > using the universal MathML style sheet. Will trigger the bug. > > The bug is that whenever you have a footnote the XML is incorrect and > the bug is only occurring in the xht outputs so it is caused by whatever > is responsible for producing the XML (Word?). E.g. you get: >

name="_ftn1" title=""> !supportFootnotes]> style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; > mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font: > minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times > New Roman"; > mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language: > EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA'>[1] href="http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/">http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/ >

> > The incorrect portions are: > which should be > > The only way for you to fix this, that I am aware, is to open up the > exported source in a suitable editor and hand fix all such errors or to > write a script that does this for you. > > If anyone else has any ideas or comments on the above it would be great > to hear them. If anyone knows for sure whether this is Word or MathType > then we could also report the issue. I will try and follow it up with > some contacts I have who may be able to shed some light but this could > take some time. > > Kind regards, > Emma > > On 22/07/2014 16:38, Susan Kelmer wrote: >> >> We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not >> been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a >> learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. >> >> When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using >> MathType, we are finding two problems: >> >> a.We put page number in the header section of word documents as a >> matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized >> document, and we're not sure why. >> >> b.If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to create >> them), the output to MathPage fails. >> >> None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math >> people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. >> If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! >> >> /Susan Kelmer/ >> >> /Alternate Format Coordinator/ >> >> /Disability Services/ >> >> /University of Colorado/ >> >> /303-735-4836/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:51:37 +0100 > From: Emma Cliffe > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions > Message-ID: <53CE9699.6090109@bath.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > > Hi Susan, > > Sorry for a second mail, that fixes the bug but leaves the footnote link > an empty string. You would also need to add something in to (from the > example below): > name="_ftn1" title=""> > e.g > name="_ftn1" title="">link > so that the footnote link was visible and clickable. > > Kind regards, > Emma > > On 22/07/2014 17:42, Emma Cliffe wrote: >> >> Dear Susan, >> >> If I understand it correctly running conversion to MathPage is using >> Word's conversion tools for some of the work. This is likely to be the >> issue with the page numbers, as far as I am aware Word does not >> convert headers or footers when converting to web formats. This was >> certainly true in Word 2003 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212270 and >> I imagine is still the case as one might ask what a header or footer >> is intended to be in this format since the whole document is converted >> to a single page - I understand why you want the numbers in this case >> but you'll have to include them a different way. >> >> I am running Word 2010 with MathType 6.9. The footnotes issue is only >> occurring in some conversions and I can explain what is happening and >> a nasty fix but it looks like a bug. Not sure whose bug though, could >> be Word or MathType. Publish to MathPage you have 5 options for MathML >> in 6.9 (fewer in earlier versions I imagine). Some of these will not >> trigger the bug but they may not be the format you want. Some will >> trigger the bug. >> 1. HTML + MathJax: Produces a .htm file with MathJax handling the >> rendering of MathML equations. Will not trigger the bug. >> 2. XHTML + MathJax: Produces a .xht file with MathJax handling the >> rendering of MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. >> 3. XHTML + MathML: Produces a .xht file with native rendering of the >> MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. >> 4. MathPlayer (IE behavior): Produces a .htm file with equations which >> will only be rendered by MathPlayer + IE<10. Will not trigger the bug. >> 5. Multi-browser (UMSS): Produces a .xht file with equations in MathML >> using the universal MathML style sheet. Will trigger the bug. >> >> The bug is that whenever you have a footnote the XML is incorrect and >> the bug is only occurring in the xht outputs so it is caused by >> whatever is responsible for producing the XML (Word?). E.g. you get: >>

> name="_ftn1" title="">> !supportFootnotes]>> style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; >> mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font: >> minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times >> New Roman"; >> mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language: >> EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA'>[1] > href="http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/">http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/ >>

>> >> The incorrect portions are: >> which should be >> >> The only way for you to fix this, that I am aware, is to open up the >> exported source in a suitable editor and hand fix all such errors or >> to write a script that does this for you. >> >> If anyone else has any ideas or comments on the above it would be >> great to hear them. If anyone knows for sure whether this is Word or >> MathType then we could also report the issue. I will try and follow it >> up with some contacts I have who may be able to shed some light but >> this could take some time. >> >> Kind regards, >> Emma >> >> On 22/07/2014 16:38, Susan Kelmer wrote: >>> >>> We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not >>> been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a >>> learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. >>> >>> When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using >>> MathType, we are finding two problems: >>> >>> a.We put page number in the header section of word documents as a >>> matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized >>> document, and we're not sure why. >>> >>> b.If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to >>> create them), the output to MathPage fails. >>> >>> None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math >>> people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. >>> If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! >>> >>> /Susan Kelmer/ >>> >>> /Alternate Format Coordinator/ >>> >>> /Disability Services/ >>> >>> /University of Colorado/ >>> >>> /303-735-4836/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > ------------------------------ > > End of athen-list Digest, Vol 102, Issue 15 > ******************************************* > > > > -- Erin Lauridsen Screen Reader Specialist University of Michigan erinlau@umich.edu (734) 764-7825 From tschwanke at studentlife.wisc.edu Fri Jul 25 09:54:55 2014 From: tschwanke at studentlife.wisc.edu (Todd Schwanke) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] (Closed) Captioning Software and media players that supports HTML formatting? Message-ID: <0N9A00JQN1NLBD30@smtpauth4.wiscmail.wisc.edu> Good morning: We are working on putting STEM content in (closed) captions, including Greek letters, math symbols, and superscripts/subscripts. We have been able to get most of it to work with some work-arounds and manual coding, but are looking for tools that streamline the process and that involve less manual coding, and also a media player with good support for STEM content in captions. So far we have not found a player that will display the characters as superscript or subscript even though we have found ones that will display Unicode and more basic HTML formatting such as underline. 1. Has anyone found a captioning or subtitling software tool that: a. supports importing transcripts that have basic HTML formatting (e.g. , , and tags for superscripts and subscripts), b. retains that HTML formatting through the alignment/editing process, and (we have worked around this by importing html files as txt files, but then you see the tags while editing, which is more difficult to align and messes with caption line length) c. then includes that HTML formatting when exporting to relevant caption files? (A tool that supports RTF formatting would also work.) 2. Has anyone found a media player that will display superscripts and subscripts in captions? 3. Has anyone else requested that Advantage Software (makers of the Eclipse software often used in court reporting and CART) add support for Unicode so that transcripts with symbols can be written in a single font and are more portable? Thank you! 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Using a combination of jaws and chrome Vox to access D2L would probably work the best Angel Chesimet Graduate Candidate Spring, 2015 Clinical Rehabilitation Counseling Portland State University Mobile: 503-470-2626 > On Jul 24, 2014, at 1:40 PM, "Russell Solowoniuk" wrote: > > Hi Michelle, > > Have you tried using Google Chrome and VoiceOver? I've never used D2L, so not sure if this combination will work any better than Safari and VO, but worth a shot? > > Thanks, > > Russell > > Russell Solowoniuk > AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities > MacEwan University > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > T: 780-497-5826 > F: 780-497-4018 > macewan.ca > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > >>>> Michele Bromley 7/24/2014 10:15 AM >>> > Keith, Kenneth, Russell, et al., > > We are dealing with VoiceOver Mac. I've had the opportunity over the last > week to do some more digging with regard to this accessibility issue. It > appears that the discussion board function in D2L is essentially > inaccessible in Safari when using VoiceOver. We found that was it nearly > impossible to navigate into the edit text area, and even when students were > able to do so with assistance, VoiceOver would not read words out loud as > they were typed. > > I'm tentatively concluding that this is a VoiceOver/Safari issue since we > were able to navigate through the discussion board functions easily using > JAWS on a separate computer. Unfortunately, this is still a big issue since > many of our students use Macintosh computers. > > I'm looking into ChromeVox as a possible alternative--I haven't had a > chance yet to take it out for a spin. I'm not currently aware of any other > open source screen reading software that works with the most recent Mac > operating system. > > Thank you for any recommendations! > > *Michele Joy Bromley* > Inclusive Technology Coordinator > Disability Resource Center > Portland State University > > Office: 116A SMSU > Phone: (503) 725-8395 > Fax: (503) 725-4103 > Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu > Website: www.pdx.edu/drc > Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc > > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, < > athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu> wrote: > >> Send athen-list mailing list submissions to >> athen-list@u.washington.edu >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility (Petri, Kenneth) >> 2. Re: D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility (Russell Solowoniuk) >> 3. MathType/MathML questions (Susan Kelmer) >> 4. Re: MathType/MathML questions (Emma Cliffe) >> 5. Re: MathType/MathML questions (Emma Cliffe) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:34:46 +0000 >> From: "Petri, Kenneth" >> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> >> Subject: Re: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility >> Message-ID: >> < >> D70BE03EA74F81468EAA4F5320EB7A51746CAF84@CIO-TNC-D2MBX04.osuad.osu.edu> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Michelle, >> >> I would definitely contact D2L directly with any specific issues. They >> have staff dedicated to accessibility. >> >> OSU runs D2L and I have been involved in helping improve its accessibility >> over the years. If you can tell me where the student is having issues, I >> can verify and post an email to the D2L accessibility interest group list ? >> maybe it should be doing more to verify accessibility on VoiceOver? >> >> As Keith mentioned, it is necessary to know if this is VO Mac or on iOS. >> In my experience, VO on the Mac is not a terribly good screen reader when >> using complex web applications. On iOS the implementation is much better >> (though very different, as well). >> >> But in any case, I?m pretty sure the D2L community would be interested in >> your student?s experience. >> >> Best, >> ken >> >> [The Ohio State University] >> Ken Petri, Program Director >> Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for >> Disability Services >> 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 >> 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax >> petri.1@osu.edu | wac.osu.edu >> >> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] >> On Behalf Of Michele Bromley >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:50 PM >> To: DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu >> Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility >> >> Hello all, >> I'm curious to hear from other schools who are using D2L as a learning >> management system. We have a blind student who has been having some serious >> navigation issues with D2L in Safari. VoiceOver is simply not working in >> some cases. VoiceOver appears to work well with other websites in Safari, >> so this seems to be a D2L issue. >> Has anyone else encountered this problem? Thank you for any >> recommendations! >> >> Michele Joy Bromley >> Inclusive Technology Coordinator >> Disability Resource Center >> Portland State University >> >> Office: 116A SMSU >> Phone: (503) 725-8395 >> Fax: (503) 725-4103 >> Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu >> Website: www.pdx.edu/drc >> Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140721/520b6d63/attachment-0001.html >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: image001.png >> Type: image/png >> Size: 3605 bytes >> Desc: image001.png >> URL: < >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140721/520b6d63/attachment-0001.png >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:53:38 -0600 >> From: "Russell Solowoniuk" >> To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" >> >> Subject: Re: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility >> Message-ID: <53CD4592020000EC00031EEB@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 >> >> Hi Michelle, >> >> Something you could try is to change the user agent that Safari uses. >> To do this you need to go into Safari preferences, choose the "Advanced" >> tab, and check the choice to "Show Develop menu in Menubar". Then, on >> the menubar, choose Develop, User Agent, and you will see a list of >> various user agents, for example, Internet Explorer 8, 9, or 10, >> Firefox, Google Chrome, Safari IOS 7 for iPhone, etc. Try experimenting >> with different user agents when in the D2L environment and see if any of >> them work better. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Russell >> >> Russell Solowoniuk >> AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities >> MacEwan University >> 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. >> Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 >> E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca >> T: 780-497-5826 >> F: 780-497-4018 >> macewan.ca >> This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it >> is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged >> information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended >> recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take >> action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or >> subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. >> Please consider the environment before printing this email. >> >> >>>>> "Petri, Kenneth" 7/21/2014 4:34 PM >>> >> Michelle, >> >> I would definitely contact D2L directly with any specific issues. They >> have staff dedicated to accessibility. >> >> OSU runs D2L and I have been involved in helping improve its >> accessibility over the years. If you can tell me where the student is >> having issues, I can verify and post an email to the D2L accessibility >> interest group list * maybe it should be doing more to verify >> accessibility on VoiceOver? >> >> As Keith mentioned, it is necessary to know if this is VO Mac or on >> iOS. In my experience, VO on the Mac is not a terribly good screen >> reader when using complex web applications. On iOS the implementation is >> much better (though very different, as well). >> >> But in any case, I*m pretty sure the D2L community would be >> interested in your student*s experience. >> >> Best, >> ken >> >> [The Ohio State University] >> Ken Petri, Program Director >> Web Accessibility Center, ADA Coordinator's Office and Office for >> Disability Services >> 102D Pomerene Hall | 1760 Neil Ave. Columbus, OH 43210 >> 614-292-1760 Office | 614-218-1499 Mobile | 614-292-4190 Fax >> petri.1@osu.edu | >> wac.osu.edu >> >> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] >> On Behalf Of Michele Bromley >> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:50 PM >> To: DSSHE-L@listserv.buffalo.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu >> Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility >> >> Hello all, >> I'm curious to hear from other schools who are using D2L as a learning >> management system. We have a blind student who has been having some >> serious navigation issues with D2L in Safari. VoiceOver is simply not >> working in some cases. VoiceOver appears to work well with other >> websites in Safari, so this seems to be a D2L issue. >> Has anyone else encountered this problem? Thank you for any >> recommendations! >> >> Michele Joy Bromley >> Inclusive Technology Coordinator >> Disability Resource Center >> Portland State University >> >> Office: 116A SMSU >> Phone: (503) 725-8395 >> Fax: (503) 725-4103 >> Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu >> Website: www.pdx.edu/drc >> Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:38:17 -0600 >> From: Susan Kelmer >> To: "dsshe-l@listserv.buffalo.edu" , >> "Access Technology Higher Education Network >> (athen-list@u.washington.edu)" >> Subject: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions >> Message-ID: >> <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807B5CC0EB9A7@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not been >> our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a learning >> mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. >> >> When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using >> MathType, we are finding two problems: >> >> a. We put page number in the header section of word documents as a >> matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized document, >> and we're not sure why. >> >> b. If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to >> create them), the output to MathPage fails. >> >> None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math >> people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. If >> someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! >> >> Susan Kelmer >> Alternate Format Coordinator >> Disability Services >> University of Colorado >> 303-735-4836 >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140722/1f97e440/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:42:30 +0100 >> From: Emma Cliffe >> To: athen-list@u.washington.edu >> Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions >> Message-ID: <53CE9476.4060607@bath.ac.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" >> >> >> Dear Susan, >> >> If I understand it correctly running conversion to MathPage is using >> Word's conversion tools for some of the work. This is likely to be the >> issue with the page numbers, as far as I am aware Word does not convert >> headers or footers when converting to web formats. This was certainly >> true in Word 2003 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212270 and I imagine >> is still the case as one might ask what a header or footer is intended >> to be in this format since the whole document is converted to a single >> page - I understand why you want the numbers in this case but you'll >> have to include them a different way. >> >> I am running Word 2010 with MathType 6.9. The footnotes issue is only >> occurring in some conversions and I can explain what is happening and a >> nasty fix but it looks like a bug. Not sure whose bug though, could be >> Word or MathType. Publish to MathPage you have 5 options for MathML in >> 6.9 (fewer in earlier versions I imagine). Some of these will not >> trigger the bug but they may not be the format you want. Some will >> trigger the bug. >> 1. HTML + MathJax: Produces a .htm file with MathJax handling the >> rendering of MathML equations. Will not trigger the bug. >> 2. XHTML + MathJax: Produces a .xht file with MathJax handling the >> rendering of MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. >> 3. XHTML + MathML: Produces a .xht file with native rendering of the >> MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. >> 4. MathPlayer (IE behavior): Produces a .htm file with equations which >> will only be rendered by MathPlayer + IE<10. Will not trigger the bug. >> 5. Multi-browser (UMSS): Produces a .xht file with equations in MathML >> using the universal MathML style sheet. Will trigger the bug. >> >> The bug is that whenever you have a footnote the XML is incorrect and >> the bug is only occurring in the xht outputs so it is caused by whatever >> is responsible for producing the XML (Word?). E.g. you get: >>

> name="_ftn1" title="">> !supportFootnotes]>> >> style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; >> >> mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font: >> minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times >> New Roman"; >> >> mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language: >> EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA'>[1] > href="http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/"> >> http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/ >>

>> >> The incorrect portions are: >> which should be >> >> The only way for you to fix this, that I am aware, is to open up the >> exported source in a suitable editor and hand fix all such errors or to >> write a script that does this for you. >> >> If anyone else has any ideas or comments on the above it would be great >> to hear them. If anyone knows for sure whether this is Word or MathType >> then we could also report the issue. I will try and follow it up with >> some contacts I have who may be able to shed some light but this could >> take some time. >> >> Kind regards, >> Emma >> >>> On 22/07/2014 16:38, Susan Kelmer wrote: >>> >>> We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not >>> been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a >>> learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. >>> >>> When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using >>> MathType, we are finding two problems: >>> >>> a.We put page number in the header section of word documents as a >>> matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized >>> document, and we're not sure why. >>> >>> b.If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to create >>> them), the output to MathPage fails. >>> >>> None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math >>> people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. >>> If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! >>> >>> /Susan Kelmer/ >>> >>> /Alternate Format Coordinator/ >>> >>> /Disability Services/ >>> >>> /University of Colorado/ >>> >>> /303-735-4836/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140722/c6c46d01/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 17:51:37 +0100 >> From: Emma Cliffe >> To: athen-list@u.washington.edu >> Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType/MathML questions >> Message-ID: <53CE9699.6090109@bath.ac.uk> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" >> >> >> Hi Susan, >> >> Sorry for a second mail, that fixes the bug but leaves the footnote link >> an empty string. You would also need to add something in to (from the >> example below): >> > name="_ftn1" title=""> >> e.g >> > name="_ftn1" title="">link >> so that the footnote link was visible and clickable. >> >> Kind regards, >> Emma >> >>> On 22/07/2014 17:42, Emma Cliffe wrote: >>> >>> Dear Susan, >>> >>> If I understand it correctly running conversion to MathPage is using >>> Word's conversion tools for some of the work. This is likely to be the >>> issue with the page numbers, as far as I am aware Word does not >>> convert headers or footers when converting to web formats. This was >>> certainly true in Word 2003 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/212270 and >>> I imagine is still the case as one might ask what a header or footer >>> is intended to be in this format since the whole document is converted >>> to a single page - I understand why you want the numbers in this case >>> but you'll have to include them a different way. >>> >>> I am running Word 2010 with MathType 6.9. The footnotes issue is only >>> occurring in some conversions and I can explain what is happening and >>> a nasty fix but it looks like a bug. Not sure whose bug though, could >>> be Word or MathType. Publish to MathPage you have 5 options for MathML >>> in 6.9 (fewer in earlier versions I imagine). Some of these will not >>> trigger the bug but they may not be the format you want. Some will >>> trigger the bug. >>> 1. HTML + MathJax: Produces a .htm file with MathJax handling the >>> rendering of MathML equations. Will not trigger the bug. >>> 2. XHTML + MathJax: Produces a .xht file with MathJax handling the >>> rendering of MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. >>> 3. XHTML + MathML: Produces a .xht file with native rendering of the >>> MathML equations. Will trigger the bug. >>> 4. MathPlayer (IE behavior): Produces a .htm file with equations which >>> will only be rendered by MathPlayer + IE<10. Will not trigger the bug. >>> 5. Multi-browser (UMSS): Produces a .xht file with equations in MathML >>> using the universal MathML style sheet. Will trigger the bug. >>> >>> The bug is that whenever you have a footnote the XML is incorrect and >>> the bug is only occurring in the xht outputs so it is caused by >>> whatever is responsible for producing the XML (Word?). E.g. you get: >>>

>> name="_ftn1" title="">>> !supportFootnotes]>> style='font-size:10.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; >> mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-theme-font: >>> minor-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times >>> New Roman"; >> mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language: >>> EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA'>[1] >> href="http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/"> >> http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/ >>>

>>> >>> The incorrect portions are: >>> which should be >>> >>> The only way for you to fix this, that I am aware, is to open up the >>> exported source in a suitable editor and hand fix all such errors or >>> to write a script that does this for you. >>> >>> If anyone else has any ideas or comments on the above it would be >>> great to hear them. If anyone knows for sure whether this is Word or >>> MathType then we could also report the issue. I will try and follow it >>> up with some contacts I have who may be able to shed some light but >>> this could take some time. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Emma >>> >>>> On 22/07/2014 16:38, Susan Kelmer wrote: >>>> >>>> We are getting a lot of requests for math of late, and this has not >>>> been our strong point in production. So, we're still in a bit of a >>>> learning mode. We've discovered a few things, and need some help. >>>> >>>> When converting to MathPage after editing our Word document using >>>> MathType, we are finding two problems: >>>> >>>> a.We put page number in the header section of word documents as a >>>> matter of routine. The page numbers disappear in the finalized >>>> document, and we're not sure why. >>>> >>>> b.If we have footnotes (we use the footnote function in Word to >>>> create them), the output to MathPage fails. >>>> >>>> None of us working on conversions (me or my student staff) are "math >>>> people," so we are doing some struggling but making our way through. >>>> If someone could help us with these two issues, we'd be grateful! >>>> >>>> /Susan Kelmer/ >>>> >>>> /Alternate Format Coordinator/ >>>> >>>> /Disability Services/ >>>> >>>> /University of Colorado/ >>>> >>>> /303-735-4836/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> athen-list mailing list >>>> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >>>> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20140722/79c2b014/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of athen-list Digest, Vol 102, Issue 15 >> ******************************************* > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From traceyf at disability.tamu.edu Sun Jul 27 20:34:31 2014 From: traceyf at disability.tamu.edu (Forman, Tracey) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Mathworks MATLAB and SIMULINK Message-ID: <4A272E6CF526BA4FB86A52D608E43007F2793E7D03@EXMAIL.dsa.reldom.tamu.edu> Our College of Engineering and General Counsel is seeking Disability Service's feedback about a pending purchase of Mathwork's MATLAB and Simulink software for use in some science, engineering and math courses on our campus. The VPAT came back with a number of areas for each application where accessibility features are not supported for common accessibility tools and functionality. I found a few articles/posts about how to make Matlab compatible with JAWS using Java Accessibility Bridge, but I've also found posts about problems with accessibility. None of the resources I have come across are more recent than January 2014. Does anyone on this list have any recent experience with these Mathworks products and their accessibility? Do any of your campuses use MatLab or Simulink? If so, have you had any issues with accessibility? -- Tracey Forman Department of Disability Services Texas A&M University (979) 845-1637 traceyf@disability.tamu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I submitted crash reports and filed a support a support ticket with MathWorks and they acknowledged the problem with 8, but did not provide any info about if/when it would be fixed. I also talked with a sales person about the importance of getting these issues fixed. Even though the Java Access Bridge is now packaged with Matlab 8.x, there seems to be a conflict between Matlab and the Java Access Bridge. With the Java Access Bridge turned on and any screen reader running (JAWS, nVDA, WindowEyes), Matlab crashes right away with a "Abnormal Termination: Access Violation" error and references to the Java Access Bridge in the log file. I have been able to get Matlab 7.14 (R2012a) to work pretty consistently with JAWS 15. That version is over 2 years old and 3 versions back now, which could be too much of a difference if class peers are using the current version. Additionally, what I found is if students aren't covered under the contract then they likely won't be able to get the older version. Addressing these problems with Mathworks before signing a contract is probably best. Todd Schwanke UW-Madison From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Forman, Tracey Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 10:35 PM To: Subject: [Athen] Mathworks MATLAB and SIMULINK Our College of Engineering and General Counsel is seeking Disability Service's feedback about a pending purchase of Mathwork's MATLAB and Simulink software for use in some science, engineering and math courses on our campus. The VPAT came back with a number of areas for each application where accessibility features are not supported for common accessibility tools and functionality. I found a few articles/posts about how to make Matlab compatible with JAWS using Java Accessibility Bridge, but I've also found posts about problems with accessibility. None of the resources I have come across are more recent than January 2014. Does anyone on this list have any recent experience with these Mathworks products and their accessibility? Do any of your campuses use MatLab or Simulink? If so, have you had any issues with accessibility? -- Tracey Forman Department of Disability Services Texas A&M University (979) 845-1637 traceyf@disability.tamu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michele.bromley at pdx.edu Mon Jul 28 12:45:50 2014 From: michele.bromley at pdx.edu (Michele Bromley) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility Message-ID: Russell, Angel, et al., Thank you, Angel. I did find that the discussion board functions in D2L were accessible through ChromeVox, though not necessarily user-friendly. Fortunately, Russell's suggestion regarding Safari's user agents appears to solve the VoiceOver issue. Changing the user agent in Safari to IOS allowed VoiceOver to access the discussion board functions effectively. I haven't tried changing the user agent to Explorer, Firefox, or Chrome yet, but I'm looking forward to trying it out. Thank you so much for all of your suggestions! *Michele Joy Bromley* Inclusive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Office: 116A SMSU Phone: (503) 725-8395 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu Website: www.pdx.edu/drc Facebook: www.facebook.com/pdxdrc On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 12:01 PM, < athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu> wrote: > Send athen-list mailing list submissions to > athen-list@u.washington.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility (Russell Solowoniuk) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 15:52:26 -0600 > From: "Russell Solowoniuk" > Cc: "" > Subject: Re: [Athen] D2L/VoiceOver Incompatibility > Message-ID: <53D27D3A020000EC00032098@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Hi Angel, > > VO also works with Google Chrome... better on some pages than others, but > worth a try to see how it works in D2L. > > Thanks, > > Russell > > >>> Angel Chesimet 7/24/2014 3:40 PM >>> > Google Chrome works with Chrome Vox . I'm currently doing testing with > Chrome Vox and it works pretty well with D2L. However it still has some > glitches. Using a combination of jaws and chrome Vox to access D2L would > probably work the best > Angel Chesimet > Graduate Candidate Spring, 2015 > Clinical Rehabilitation Counseling > Portland State University > Mobile: 503-470-2626 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ats169 at psu.edu Tue Jul 29 19:11:35 2014 From: ats169 at psu.edu (Alexa Schriempf) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Pascal's Triangle in Braille? Message-ID: Hello All, Today I made a Braille version of Pascal's triangle. Needless to say, because I could not adjust the font size of the Braille, and because our paper is 11 inches wide, I had some issues with recreating it with Duxbury and our embosser. Pascal's Triangle is a very specific pattern of numbers, and the orientation of the numbers is critical when applying the "hockey stick" pattern. See attached image. I tried to put this in a table, but the table cells need to be staggered. In the end, I I simply printed out each row and cut the rows into strips, taped the strips together where needed, and then glued the whole thing to cardboard. However, while this will work for understanding some of the basics, it won't help where it's necessary to see how the numbers align physically on the paper because the inability to change the size and spacing of Braille dots means that I can't fit a four digit number to fit underneath a 2 digit number. (Again, see picture attached). Surely, this learning object must already exist in Braille someplace? Please advise. Thank you! Alexa -- Alexa Schriempf, Access Tech Consultant Office for Disability Services Teaching and Learning with Technology: Accessibility Group Adaptive Technology Services, University Libraries Penn State https://sites.psu.edu/aschriempf/ http://equity.psu.edu/ods http://tlt.its.psu.edu/ http://www.libraries.psu.edu/psul/adaptivetechnologies.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ptreal1h.gif Type: image/gif Size: 20329 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Wed Jul 30 11:02:38 2014 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Repost: UNR AT Position announcement Message-ID: <02d101cfac20$739af5e0$5ad0e1a0$@htctu.net> Subject: UNR Position announcement Hi All: Please share this position announcement with any interested parties. Mary Anne Christensen, Assistant Director Alternative Media Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Nevada, Reno Voice: 775-784-6000 Fax: 775-784-6955 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: It Coordinator, Assistive Technology, Systems Admin position.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 13108 bytes Desc: not available URL: From karen.sorensen at pcc.edu Thu Jul 31 09:24:22 2014 From: karen.sorensen at pcc.edu (Karen Sorensen) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:31:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] New gadget helps the vision impaired read graphs Message-ID: Forwarding this link from M. Lakhani on NFB Blindmath listserv. This new device sounds very promising! Can't wait for it to be in production! news.curtin.edu.au/media-releases/new-gadget-helps-vision-impaired-read-graphs Karen M. 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