[Athen] feedback on alt text language for Word table

[Howard Kramer]

Thanks Samantha.

-Howard

On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Samantha Johns <samanj at pdx.edu> wrote:


> Hello all,

>

> For tables and other objects I am recommending including the necessary or

> important information within the body of the text.

>

> I will use the caption to identify the object and title. I use Alt text to

> describe the table briefly if it is not done within the body of the text

> supporting the object.

>

> Hope that is helpful,

>

>

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>

> *Samantha Johns*

>

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>

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>

> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Howard Kramer <hkramer at ahead.org> wrote:

>

>> Hi Karen,

>>

>> This is for Word.

>>

>> -Howard

>>

>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Karlen Communications <

>> info at karlencommunications.com> wrote:

>>

>>> Are we talking Word or HTML?

>>>

>>> In Word, a caption above the table would provide the description, for

>>> example, "Ranking of research manufacturers." Alt Text for Word tables is

>>> used to provide information on any structural oddities or issues with the

>>> table...things like merged or split cells.

>>>

>>> I agree, it should be concise. Keep in mind too that columns are letters

>>> and Rowan are numbers just as with Excel. Those are the coordinates we hear.

>>>

>>> Cheers, Karen

>>>

>>> Sent from my iPad

>>>

>>> On Aug 21, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Lisa Brandt <lisa.brandt1 at pcc.edu> wrote:

>>>

>>> For this kind of thing, I usually try to make it a little less wordy (ha

>>> ha). I think you can relay the same information but make it more compact,

>>> like so:

>>>

>>> Alt text: "Table with 4 columns, 2 header rows, and 7 data rows. First

>>> header row: first two columns blank; header 'Data Source' spans last two

>>> columns. Second data row: Rank, Manufacturer, Data Source - Gartner, Data

>>> Source - International Data Corporation (IDC)."

>>>

>>> I try to make things as compact as possible and get the meat of it up

>>> front, since anyone using a screen reader would likely be skipping to the

>>> next thing as soon as they hear enough to know if it's something they want

>>> to read in detail. But people who actually have to read the stuff might

>>> have a different opinion than I do (smiley face).

>>>

>>> If I were doing this as a description rather than alt text, I might

>>> present it in more of a hierarchical outline rather than adhering to the

>>> format of the table.

>>>

>>> Lisa

>>>

>>>

>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 09:36:45 -0700, Howard Kramer <hkramer at ahead.org>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>> Hello All:

>>>

>>> I'm developing a MOOC with a couple of colleagues on Inclusive eLearning

>>> and I have a section on alt text for Word Tables. I've noticed some

>>> examples of alt text for tables which are very minimal in the information

>>> provided - basically just the structure of the table and if there were

>>> merged cells. Do you think this example provides too much information in

>>> the alt text?

>>>

>>> Alt text: “This is a 4 column by 9 row table with 2 header rows and 7

>>> data rows. The first row has one header for Data Source which spans column

>>> 3 and 4 above the names of the two research firms in row 2. The second row

>>> headers are Rank, Manufacturer and the names of the two research firms:

>>> Gartner and International Data Corporation.”

>>>

>>> I will also recommend that the first 2 rows be designated as repeating

>>> header rows in Word and will add a "true" caption on top.

>>>

>>>

>>> Data Source

>>>

>>> Rank

>>>

>>> Manufacturer

>>>

>>> Gartner

>>>

>>> International Data Corporation (IDC)

>>>

>>> 1

>>>

>>> Samsung <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Electronics>

>>>

>>> 24.6%

>>>

>>> 24.5%

>>>

>>> 2

>>>

>>> Nokia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia>

>>>

>>> 13.9%

>>>

>>> 13.8%

>>>

>>> 3

>>>

>>> Apple Inc. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc.>

>>>

>>> 8.3%

>>>

>>> 8.4%

>>>

>>> 4

>>>

>>> LG <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Electronics>

>>>

>>> 3.8%

>>>

>>> 3.8%

>>>

>>> 5

>>>

>>> ZTE <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZTE>

>>>

>>> 3.3%

>>>

>>> -

>>>

>>> 5

>>>

>>> Huawei <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huawei>

>>>

>>> -

>>>

>>> 3.0%

>>>

>>> Others

>>>

>>> 34.0%

>>>

>>> 46.4%

>>>

>>>      Top Five Worldwide Total Mobile Phone Vendors, 2013

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Thanks in advance.

>>> -Howard

>>>

>>>

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