element somewhere that may be impacting the screen-reader interpretation of the page. Take care, Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teresa Haven" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu)" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:18:07 AM Subject: [Athen] webpage coding question I?ve had a strange situation arise with a new web app that my institution is attempting to develop. We are still in the beta stage so the site isn?t public, but we?ve noticed that even though the developer has included appropriate H tags for structure, they aren?t all being perceived by either AT or various A11y checking tools. When I have JAWS present me with a list of headers on the page, I get one lonely H5 tag. When I have WAVE check the outline, I am told I have one H1, a small handful of H3s, and one H4. In the code for the page from the user agent perspective we can see one H1, a couple of H2s, a LOT of H3s, and a couple each of H4 and H5 ? which is what the developer used in the design. We are using JAWS 14 and 15 for testing, IE11 with JAWS, and Firefox 36 with WAVE. The app is not using HTML5, although it is using some Angular. Does anyone have any ideas for why our AT and tools aren?t perceiving the H tags that we are seeing in the code? Thanks for any troubleshooting suggestions you might have, Teresa Teresa Haven, Ph.D. Accessibility Analyst, Northern Arizona University _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From Teresa.Haven at nau.edu Tue May 12 10:47:35 2015 From: Teresa.Haven at nau.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] webpage coding question In-Reply-To: References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB8662F@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu>

Message-ID: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB867B7@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Thanks, Greg. Sorry, I should have been more extensive in my list ? NVDA with Firefox is in the mix, and I?m getting yet another different incomplete list of headers with it. And when I try to use JAWS with Firefox in this app, my command to request a list of headers just gets ?This command is only available in a virtual document, like a webpage.? Any other suggestions are welcome before I pull my hair out. ? Teresa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Kraus Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:34 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question Sorry, just saw that you were using Firefox. Definitely try NVDA in the mix though. Greg On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Greg Kraus > wrote: Hi Teresa, I would first check if the combinations of JAWS with Firefox and NVDA with Firefox give you the same results. Depending on the version of JAWS and IE and the particular elements that might be parent elements of the headings, that might be the source of the problem. If both JAWS and NVDA work with Firefox, then you can start looking at potential JAWS-IE conflicts. Greg On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Samantha Johns > wrote: Perhaps these need element tags - ARIA tags [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 503/725-2754 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Teresa Haven > wrote: I?ve had a strange situation arise with a new web app that my institution is attempting to develop. We are still in the beta stage so the site isn?t public, but we?ve noticed that even though the developer has included appropriate H tags for structure, they aren?t all being perceived by either AT or various A11y checking tools. When I have JAWS present me with a list of headers on the page, I get one lonely H5 tag. When I have WAVE check the outline, I am told I have one H1, a small handful of H3s, and one H4. In the code for the page from the user agent perspective we can see one H1, a couple of H2s, a LOT of H3s, and a couple each of H4 and H5 ? which is what the developer used in the design. We are using JAWS 14 and 15 for testing, IE11 with JAWS, and Firefox 36 with WAVE. The app is not using HTML5, although it is using some Angular. Does anyone have any ideas for why our AT and tools aren?t perceiving the H tags that we are seeing in the code? Thanks for any troubleshooting suggestions you might have, Teresa Teresa Haven, Ph.D. Accessibility Analyst, Northern Arizona University _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdkraus at ncsu.edu Tue May 12 10:53:32 2015 From: gdkraus at ncsu.edu (Greg Kraus) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] webpage coding question In-Reply-To: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB867B7@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB8662F@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu>

<8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB867B7@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Message-ID: Look to see if there is a role="application" somewhere, or role= anything as an attribute on an element. Or like Sean said, aria-hidden. Greg On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Teresa Haven wrote: > Thanks, Greg. Sorry, I should have been more extensive in my list ? NVDA > with Firefox is in the mix, and I?m getting yet another different > incomplete list of headers with it. And when I try to use JAWS with Firefox > in this app, my command to request a list of headers just gets ?This > command is only available in a virtual document, like a webpage.? > > Any other suggestions are welcome before I pull my hair out. J > > Teresa > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Greg Kraus > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:34 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] webpage coding question > > > > Sorry, just saw that you were using Firefox. Definitely try NVDA in the > mix though. > > > > Greg > > > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Greg Kraus wrote: > > Hi Teresa, > > > > I would first check if the combinations of JAWS with Firefox and NVDA with > Firefox give you the same results. Depending on the version of JAWS and IE > and the particular elements that might be parent elements of the headings, > that might be the source of the problem. If both JAWS and NVDA work with > Firefox, then you can start looking at potential JAWS-IE conflicts. > > > > Greg > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Samantha Johns wrote: > > Perhaps these need element tags - ARIA tags > > > * * > > *Samantha Johns* > > *Accessibility & Course Support Specialist * > > Portland State University > > 1825 SW Broadway > > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > > 503/725-2754 > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Teresa Haven > wrote: > > I?ve had a strange situation arise with a new web app that my > institution is attempting to develop. We are still in the beta stage so the > site isn?t public, but we?ve noticed that even though the developer has > included appropriate H tags for structure, they aren?t all being perceived > by either AT or various A11y checking tools. When I have JAWS present me > with a list of headers on the page, I get one lonely H5 tag. When I have > WAVE check the outline, I am told I have one H1, a small handful of H3s, > and one H4. In the code for the page from the user agent perspective we can > see one H1, a couple of H2s, a LOT of H3s, and a couple each of H4 and H5 ? > which is what the developer used in the design. We are using JAWS 14 and 15 > for testing, IE11 with JAWS, and Firefox 36 with WAVE. The app is not using > HTML5, although it is using some Angular. Does anyone have any ideas for > why our AT and tools aren?t perceiving the H tags that we are seeing in the > code? > > > > Thanks for any troubleshooting suggestions you might have, > > Teresa > > > > Teresa Haven, Ph.D. > > Accessibility Analyst, Northern Arizona University > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Teresa.Haven at nau.edu Tue May 12 10:53:53 2015 From: Teresa.Haven at nau.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] webpage coding question In-Reply-To: <918615507.4688518.1431452876421.JavaMail.zimbra@stanford.edu> References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB8662F@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> <918615507.4688518.1431452876421.JavaMail.zimbra@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB8688D@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Hi, Sean. Yes, the headings are visually apparent on the page, but I'll search through the code for an aria-hidden=true -- that's a possibility given that both Angular and the developer have been injecting aria into the page without really knowing what they are doing... Thanks! Teresa -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean J Keegan Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:48 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question Hi Teresa, Can you see the headings on the page? That is, are they visually present? Have you done any testing with NVDA+Firefox? Using NVDA, if you press the NVDA key+F7, you will get a list of links, headings, landmarks. The NVDA key is the numpad Insert key by default. The only other immediate thought I have right now is that there could be an aria-hidden=true attribute in a high-level

element somewhere that may be impacting the screen-reader interpretation of the page. Take care, Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teresa Haven" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu)" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:18:07 AM Subject: [Athen] webpage coding question I?ve had a strange situation arise with a new web app that my institution is attempting to develop. We are still in the beta stage so the site isn?t public, but we?ve noticed that even though the developer has included appropriate H tags for structure, they aren?t all being perceived by either AT or various A11y checking tools. When I have JAWS present me with a list of headers on the page, I get one lonely H5 tag. When I have WAVE check the outline, I am told I have one H1, a small handful of H3s, and one H4. In the code for the page from the user agent perspective we can see one H1, a couple of H2s, a LOT of H3s, and a couple each of H4 and H5 ? which is what the developer used in the design. We are using JAWS 14 and 15 for testing, IE11 with JAWS, and Firefox 36 with WAVE. The app is not using HTML5, although it is using some Angular. Does anyone have any ideas for why our AT and tools aren?t perceiving the H tags that we are seeing in the code? Thanks for any troubleshooting suggestions you might have, Teresa Teresa Haven, Ph.D. Accessibility Analyst, Northern Arizona University _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From Teresa.Haven at nau.edu Tue May 12 10:58:31 2015 From: Teresa.Haven at nau.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] webpage coding question In-Reply-To: References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB8662F@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu>

<8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB867B7@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Message-ID: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB8690D@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Will do, thanks. Teresa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Kraus Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:54 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question Look to see if there is a role="application" somewhere, or role= anything as an attribute on an element. Or like Sean said, aria-hidden. Greg On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Teresa Haven > wrote: Thanks, Greg. Sorry, I should have been more extensive in my list ? NVDA with Firefox is in the mix, and I?m getting yet another different incomplete list of headers with it. And when I try to use JAWS with Firefox in this app, my command to request a list of headers just gets ?This command is only available in a virtual document, like a webpage.? Any other suggestions are welcome before I pull my hair out. ? Teresa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Kraus Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:34 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question Sorry, just saw that you were using Firefox. Definitely try NVDA in the mix though. Greg On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Greg Kraus > wrote: Hi Teresa, I would first check if the combinations of JAWS with Firefox and NVDA with Firefox give you the same results. Depending on the version of JAWS and IE and the particular elements that might be parent elements of the headings, that might be the source of the problem. If both JAWS and NVDA work with Firefox, then you can start looking at potential JAWS-IE conflicts. Greg On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Samantha Johns > wrote: Perhaps these need element tags - ARIA tags [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 503/725-2754 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Teresa Haven > wrote: I?ve had a strange situation arise with a new web app that my institution is attempting to develop. We are still in the beta stage so the site isn?t public, but we?ve noticed that even though the developer has included appropriate H tags for structure, they aren?t all being perceived by either AT or various A11y checking tools. When I have JAWS present me with a list of headers on the page, I get one lonely H5 tag. When I have WAVE check the outline, I am told I have one H1, a small handful of H3s, and one H4. In the code for the page from the user agent perspective we can see one H1, a couple of H2s, a LOT of H3s, and a couple each of H4 and H5 ? which is what the developer used in the design. We are using JAWS 14 and 15 for testing, IE11 with JAWS, and Firefox 36 with WAVE. The app is not using HTML5, although it is using some Angular. Does anyone have any ideas for why our AT and tools aren?t perceiving the H tags that we are seeing in the code? Thanks for any troubleshooting suggestions you might have, Teresa Teresa Haven, Ph.D. Accessibility Analyst, Northern Arizona University _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at stanford.edu Tue May 12 10:58:59 2015 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean J Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] webpage coding question In-Reply-To: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB867B7@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB8662F@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu>

<8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB867B7@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Message-ID: <523648708.4724097.1431453539348.JavaMail.zimbra@stanford.edu> > And when I try to use JAWS with Firefox in this app, my command to request a list of headers > just gets ?This command is only available in a virtual document, like a webpage.? Ugh - that's not supposed to happen. Can you check the code to see if there is a "role=application" on a high-level element in the page? I have heard JAWS speak that when the web page was developed using the landmark role set to "application." The other thought I had was that there may be the code "role=presentation" on some elements. sean From skeegan at stanford.edu Tue May 12 11:00:05 2015 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean J Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] webpage coding question In-Reply-To: <523648708.4724097.1431453539348.JavaMail.zimbra@stanford.edu> References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB8662F@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu>

<8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB867B7@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> <523648708.4724097.1431453539348.JavaMail.zimbra@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1996883398.4727625.1431453605119.JavaMail.zimbra@stanford.edu> Clearly I need to check Greg's posts before I respond myself...! sean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean J Keegan" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:58:59 AM Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question > And when I try to use JAWS with Firefox in this app, my command to request a list of headers > just gets ?This command is only available in a virtual document, like a webpage.? Ugh - that's not supposed to happen. Can you check the code to see if there is a "role=application" on a high-level element in the page? I have heard JAWS speak that when the web page was developed using the landmark role set to "application." The other thought I had was that there may be the code "role=presentation" on some elements. sean From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Tue May 12 11:19:04 2015 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] webpage coding question In-Reply-To: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB867B7@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB8662F@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu>

<8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB867B7@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84F0D7C4E7@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> I know this sounds simple, but when JAWS gives this message, are you sure the focus is on the webpage and not on one of the toolbars or address bar? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question Thanks, Greg. Sorry, I should have been more extensive in my list ? NVDA with Firefox is in the mix, and I?m getting yet another different incomplete list of headers with it. And when I try to use JAWS with Firefox in this app, my command to request a list of headers just gets ?This command is only available in a virtual document, like a webpage.? Any other suggestions are welcome before I pull my hair out. ? Teresa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Kraus Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:34 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question Sorry, just saw that you were using Firefox. Definitely try NVDA in the mix though. Greg On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Greg Kraus > wrote: Hi Teresa, I would first check if the combinations of JAWS with Firefox and NVDA with Firefox give you the same results. Depending on the version of JAWS and IE and the particular elements that might be parent elements of the headings, that might be the source of the problem. If both JAWS and NVDA work with Firefox, then you can start looking at potential JAWS-IE conflicts. Greg On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Samantha Johns > wrote: Perhaps these need element tags - ARIA tags [Image removed by sender.] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 503/725-2754 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Teresa Haven > wrote: I?ve had a strange situation arise with a new web app that my institution is attempting to develop. We are still in the beta stage so the site isn?t public, but we?ve noticed that even though the developer has included appropriate H tags for structure, they aren?t all being perceived by either AT or various A11y checking tools. When I have JAWS present me with a list of headers on the page, I get one lonely H5 tag. When I have WAVE check the outline, I am told I have one H1, a small handful of H3s, and one H4. In the code for the page from the user agent perspective we can see one H1, a couple of H2s, a LOT of H3s, and a couple each of H4 and H5 ? which is what the developer used in the design. We are using JAWS 14 and 15 for testing, IE11 with JAWS, and Firefox 36 with WAVE. The app is not using HTML5, although it is using some Angular. Does anyone have any ideas for why our AT and tools aren?t perceiving the H tags that we are seeing in the code? Thanks for any troubleshooting suggestions you might have, Teresa Teresa Haven, Ph.D. Accessibility Analyst, Northern Arizona University _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ~WRD000.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 823 bytes Desc: ~WRD000.jpg URL: From Teresa.Haven at nau.edu Tue May 12 11:26:53 2015 From: Teresa.Haven at nau.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] webpage coding question In-Reply-To: References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB8662F@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu>

<8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB867B7@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Message-ID: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB86B7C@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Thanks, all. Combing through the code is yielding at least a couple of incorrect tags that I know have been injected by Angular, and I?m betting there are more I haven?t found yet, so this will be a good learning experience for the developer. I appreciate all the suggestions on what to search for. Best, Teresa From: Travis Roth [mailto:troth@accessibilitypartners.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:02 AM To: Teresa Haven Subject: RE: [Athen] webpage coding question That JAWS message about virtual documents makes me wonder if there is an ARIA tag floating around that should not be, in particular possible role=application or role=dialog. As you mention ARIA used incorrectly can cause as big a problem as it solves. A couple other things to look at are if there is a role=presentation set on the heading tags, or if the developer is attempting to hide these visually and using some CSS such as display=none. Screen readers honor the CSS of display=none same as browsers do; a developer who last wroekd with accessibility in the early 2000s and is remembering this trick to previously provide AT extra info may be surprised it no longer works. Travis Roth Principal Partner Accessibility Partners, LLC www.AccessibilityPartners.com troth@Accessibilitypartners.com 402-466-0907 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question Thanks, Greg. Sorry, I should have been more extensive in my list ? NVDA with Firefox is in the mix, and I?m getting yet another different incomplete list of headers with it. And when I try to use JAWS with Firefox in this app, my command to request a list of headers just gets ?This command is only available in a virtual document, like a webpage.? Any other suggestions are welcome before I pull my hair out. ? Teresa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Kraus Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:34 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question Sorry, just saw that you were using Firefox. Definitely try NVDA in the mix though. Greg On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Greg Kraus > wrote: Hi Teresa, I would first check if the combinations of JAWS with Firefox and NVDA with Firefox give you the same results. Depending on the version of JAWS and IE and the particular elements that might be parent elements of the headings, that might be the source of the problem. If both JAWS and NVDA work with Firefox, then you can start looking at potential JAWS-IE conflicts. Greg On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Samantha Johns > wrote: Perhaps these need element tags - ARIA tags [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 503/725-2754 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Teresa Haven > wrote: I?ve had a strange situation arise with a new web app that my institution is attempting to develop. We are still in the beta stage so the site isn?t public, but we?ve noticed that even though the developer has included appropriate H tags for structure, they aren?t all being perceived by either AT or various A11y checking tools. When I have JAWS present me with a list of headers on the page, I get one lonely H5 tag. When I have WAVE check the outline, I am told I have one H1, a small handful of H3s, and one H4. In the code for the page from the user agent perspective we can see one H1, a couple of H2s, a LOT of H3s, and a couple each of H4 and H5 ? which is what the developer used in the design. We are using JAWS 14 and 15 for testing, IE11 with JAWS, and Firefox 36 with WAVE. The app is not using HTML5, although it is using some Angular. Does anyone have any ideas for why our AT and tools aren?t perceiving the H tags that we are seeing in the code? Thanks for any troubleshooting suggestions you might have, Teresa Teresa Haven, Ph.D. Accessibility Analyst, Northern Arizona University _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Teresa.Haven at nau.edu Tue May 12 11:26:41 2015 From: Teresa.Haven at nau.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] webpage coding question In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84F0D7C4E7@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB8662F@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu>

<8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB867B7@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84F0D7C4E7@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB86B70@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Hi, Robert. Simple suggestions are always good ones! Yep, I made sure I had focus on the page itself when I first got that message. Teresa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:19 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question I know this sounds simple, but when JAWS gives this message, are you sure the focus is on the webpage and not on one of the toolbars or address bar? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question Thanks, Greg. Sorry, I should have been more extensive in my list ? NVDA with Firefox is in the mix, and I?m getting yet another different incomplete list of headers with it. And when I try to use JAWS with Firefox in this app, my command to request a list of headers just gets ?This command is only available in a virtual document, like a webpage.? Any other suggestions are welcome before I pull my hair out. ? Teresa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Kraus Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:34 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question Sorry, just saw that you were using Firefox. Definitely try NVDA in the mix though. Greg On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Greg Kraus > wrote: Hi Teresa, I would first check if the combinations of JAWS with Firefox and NVDA with Firefox give you the same results. Depending on the version of JAWS and IE and the particular elements that might be parent elements of the headings, that might be the source of the problem. If both JAWS and NVDA work with Firefox, then you can start looking at potential JAWS-IE conflicts. Greg On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Samantha Johns > wrote: Perhaps these need element tags - ARIA tags [Image removed by sender.] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 503/725-2754 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Teresa Haven > wrote: I?ve had a strange situation arise with a new web app that my institution is attempting to develop. We are still in the beta stage so the site isn?t public, but we?ve noticed that even though the developer has included appropriate H tags for structure, they aren?t all being perceived by either AT or various A11y checking tools. When I have JAWS present me with a list of headers on the page, I get one lonely H5 tag. When I have WAVE check the outline, I am told I have one H1, a small handful of H3s, and one H4. In the code for the page from the user agent perspective we can see one H1, a couple of H2s, a LOT of H3s, and a couple each of H4 and H5 ? which is what the developer used in the design. We are using JAWS 14 and 15 for testing, IE11 with JAWS, and Firefox 36 with WAVE. The app is not using HTML5, although it is using some Angular. Does anyone have any ideas for why our AT and tools aren?t perceiving the H tags that we are seeing in the code? Thanks for any troubleshooting suggestions you might have, Teresa Teresa Haven, Ph.D. Accessibility Analyst, Northern Arizona University _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 823 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From jsuttondc at gmail.com Tue May 12 12:25:59 2015 From: jsuttondc at gmail.com (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] webpage coding question -- working with Angular In-Reply-To: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB86B7C@umbrella.nau.froot. nau.edu> References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB8662F@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu>

<8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB867B7@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB86B7C@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20150512121619.05db9500@gmail.com> All: Here are some links related to Angular and accessibility, in case they'll be helpful to the developer, as well as others who may encounter Angular. Of course, other issues, beyond headings, will be discussed -- note, particularly, the discussions of how to use ARIA, particularly in this framework. I had these handy via another project; I've been tracking this framework, along with several others, for some time. Hope this information proves helpful. Jennifer angularjs Developer Guide Accessibility https://docs.angularjs.org/guide/accessibility AngularJS Accessibility by Marcy Sutton at ng-europe 2014 - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmYDggEgU-s Angular Accessibility http://marcysutton.github.io/angular-a11y/#/ AngularJS Material Design MarcySutton.com http://marcysutton.com/angularjs-material-design/ Making your Angular.js Application accessible http://www.slideshare.net/ginader/angularjs-accessibilty Single page applications, Angular.js and accessibility ? Simply Accessible: http://simplyaccessible.com/article/spangular-accessibility A set of tagged posts where a dev. from Deque goes through fixing issues in an Angular application: http://unobfuscated.blogspot.com/search/label/Angular Using ngAria AngularJS http://angularjs.blogspot.com/2014/11/using-ngaria.html From Teresa.Haven at nau.edu Tue May 12 12:59:23 2015 From: Teresa.Haven at nau.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] webpage coding question -- working with Angular In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20150512121619.05db9500@gmail.com> References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB8662F@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu>

<8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB867B7@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB86B7C@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> <7.0.1.0.2.20150512121619.05db9500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB86E48@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Thanks, Jennifer. I'm about to approach the development team about their decision to adopt Angular (it's relatively recent) and this will help strengthen my arguments. Best, Teresa -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer Sutton Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:26 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question -- working with Angular All: Here are some links related to Angular and accessibility, in case they'll be helpful to the developer, as well as others who may encounter Angular. Of course, other issues, beyond headings, will be discussed -- note, particularly, the discussions of how to use ARIA, particularly in this framework. I had these handy via another project; I've been tracking this framework, along with several others, for some time. Hope this information proves helpful. Jennifer angularjs Developer Guide Accessibility https://docs.angularjs.org/guide/accessibility AngularJS Accessibility by Marcy Sutton at ng-europe 2014 - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmYDggEgU-s Angular Accessibility http://marcysutton.github.io/angular-a11y/#/ AngularJS Material Design MarcySutton.com http://marcysutton.com/angularjs-material-design/ Making your Angular.js Application accessible http://www.slideshare.net/ginader/angularjs-accessibilty Single page applications, Angular.js and accessibility > Simply Accessible: http://simplyaccessible.com/article/spangular-accessibility A set of tagged posts where a dev. from Deque goes through fixing issues in an Angular application: http://unobfuscated.blogspot.com/search/label/Angular Using ngAria AngularJS http://angularjs.blogspot.com/2014/11/using-ngaria.html _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From danc at uw.edu Tue May 12 13:24:10 2015 From: danc at uw.edu (Dan Comden) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] webpage coding question In-Reply-To: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB86B7C@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB8662F@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu>

<8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB867B7@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB86B7C@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Message-ID: This sounds like a perfect demonstration of why not to use ARIA when there are perfectly good HTML tags that serve the same purpose. -*- Dan On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Teresa Haven wrote: > Thanks, all. Combing through the code is yielding at least a couple of > incorrect tags that I know have been injected by Angular, and I?m betting > there are more I haven?t found yet, so this will be a good learning > experience for the developer. I appreciate all the suggestions on what to > search for. > > > > Best, > > Teresa > > > > *From:* Travis Roth [mailto:troth@accessibilitypartners.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:02 AM > *To:* Teresa Haven > *Subject:* RE: [Athen] webpage coding question > > > > That JAWS message about virtual documents makes me wonder if there is an > ARIA tag floating around that should not be, in particular possible > role=application or role=dialog. > > As you mention ARIA used incorrectly can cause as big a problem as it > solves. > > A couple other things to look at are if there is a role=presentation set > on the heading tags, or if the developer is attempting to hide these > visually and using some CSS such as display=none. Screen readers honor the > CSS of display=none same as browsers do; a developer who last wroekd with > accessibility in the early 2000s and is remembering this trick to > previously provide AT extra info may be surprised it no longer works. > > > > > > > > Travis Roth > > Principal Partner > > Accessibility Partners, LLC > > www.AccessibilityPartners.com > > troth@Accessibilitypartners.com > > 402-466-0907 > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu > ] *On Behalf Of *Teresa > Haven > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:48 PM > > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] webpage coding question > > > > Thanks, Greg. Sorry, I should have been more extensive in my list ? NVDA > with Firefox is in the mix, and I?m getting yet another different > incomplete list of headers with it. And when I try to use JAWS with Firefox > in this app, my command to request a list of headers just gets ?This > command is only available in a virtual document, like a webpage.? > > Any other suggestions are welcome before I pull my hair out. J > > Teresa > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu > ] *On Behalf Of *Greg Kraus > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:34 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] webpage coding question > > > > Sorry, just saw that you were using Firefox. Definitely try NVDA in the > mix though. > > > > Greg > > > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Greg Kraus wrote: > > Hi Teresa, > > > > I would first check if the combinations of JAWS with Firefox and NVDA with > Firefox give you the same results. Depending on the version of JAWS and IE > and the particular elements that might be parent elements of the headings, > that might be the source of the problem. If both JAWS and NVDA work with > Firefox, then you can start looking at potential JAWS-IE conflicts. > > > > Greg > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Samantha Johns wrote: > > Perhaps these need element tags - ARIA tags > > > * * > > *Samantha Johns* > > *Accessibility & Course Support Specialist * > > Portland State University > > 1825 SW Broadway > > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > > 503/725-2754 > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Teresa Haven > wrote: > > I?ve had a strange situation arise with a new web app that my > institution is attempting to develop. We are still in the beta stage so the > site isn?t public, but we?ve noticed that even though the developer has > included appropriate H tags for structure, they aren?t all being perceived > by either AT or various A11y checking tools. When I have JAWS present me > with a list of headers on the page, I get one lonely H5 tag. When I have > WAVE check the outline, I am told I have one H1, a small handful of H3s, > and one H4. In the code for the page from the user agent perspective we can > see one H1, a couple of H2s, a LOT of H3s, and a couple each of H4 and H5 ? > which is what the developer used in the design. We are using JAWS 14 and 15 > for testing, IE11 with JAWS, and Firefox 36 with WAVE. The app is not using > HTML5, although it is using some Angular. Does anyone have any ideas for > why our AT and tools aren?t perceiving the H tags that we are seeing in the > code? > > > > Thanks for any troubleshooting suggestions you might have, > > Teresa > > > > Teresa Haven, Ph.D. > > Accessibility Analyst, Northern Arizona University > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB867B7@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB86B7C@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Message-ID: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB86FB3@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Exactly my thought, Dan! When I looked at the app?s design and purpose, my first question was why they were making more work for themselves using Angular and having to clean up its messes instead of just using plain old HTML and CSS. As it stands, not only is accessibility an issue, so is general usability. ?The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.? ? Scotty (Star Trek III) Thanks, Teresa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:24 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question This sounds like a perfect demonstration of why not to use ARIA when there are perfectly good HTML tags that serve the same purpose. -*- Dan On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Teresa Haven > wrote: Thanks, all. Combing through the code is yielding at least a couple of incorrect tags that I know have been injected by Angular, and I?m betting there are more I haven?t found yet, so this will be a good learning experience for the developer. I appreciate all the suggestions on what to search for. Best, Teresa From: Travis Roth [mailto:troth@accessibilitypartners.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:02 AM To: Teresa Haven Subject: RE: [Athen] webpage coding question That JAWS message about virtual documents makes me wonder if there is an ARIA tag floating around that should not be, in particular possible role=application or role=dialog. As you mention ARIA used incorrectly can cause as big a problem as it solves. A couple other things to look at are if there is a role=presentation set on the heading tags, or if the developer is attempting to hide these visually and using some CSS such as display=none. Screen readers honor the CSS of display=none same as browsers do; a developer who last wroekd with accessibility in the early 2000s and is remembering this trick to previously provide AT extra info may be surprised it no longer works. Travis Roth Principal Partner Accessibility Partners, LLC www.AccessibilityPartners.com troth@Accessibilitypartners.com 402-466-0907 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question Thanks, Greg. Sorry, I should have been more extensive in my list ? NVDA with Firefox is in the mix, and I?m getting yet another different incomplete list of headers with it. And when I try to use JAWS with Firefox in this app, my command to request a list of headers just gets ?This command is only available in a virtual document, like a webpage.? Any other suggestions are welcome before I pull my hair out. ? Teresa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Kraus Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:34 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question Sorry, just saw that you were using Firefox. Definitely try NVDA in the mix though. Greg On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Greg Kraus > wrote: Hi Teresa, I would first check if the combinations of JAWS with Firefox and NVDA with Firefox give you the same results. Depending on the version of JAWS and IE and the particular elements that might be parent elements of the headings, that might be the source of the problem. If both JAWS and NVDA work with Firefox, then you can start looking at potential JAWS-IE conflicts. Greg On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Samantha Johns > wrote: Perhaps these need element tags - ARIA tags [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 503/725-2754 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Teresa Haven > wrote: I?ve had a strange situation arise with a new web app that my institution is attempting to develop. We are still in the beta stage so the site isn?t public, but we?ve noticed that even though the developer has included appropriate H tags for structure, they aren?t all being perceived by either AT or various A11y checking tools. When I have JAWS present me with a list of headers on the page, I get one lonely H5 tag. When I have WAVE check the outline, I am told I have one H1, a small handful of H3s, and one H4. In the code for the page from the user agent perspective we can see one H1, a couple of H2s, a LOT of H3s, and a couple each of H4 and H5 ? which is what the developer used in the design. We are using JAWS 14 and 15 for testing, IE11 with JAWS, and Firefox 36 with WAVE. The app is not using HTML5, although it is using some Angular. Does anyone have any ideas for why our AT and tools aren?t perceiving the H tags that we are seeing in the code? Thanks for any troubleshooting suggestions you might have, Teresa Teresa Haven, Ph.D. Accessibility Analyst, Northern Arizona University _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB867B7@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB86B7C@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB86FB3@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84F0D7C787@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Excellent quote! I like it. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:31 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question Exactly my thought, Dan! When I looked at the app?s design and purpose, my first question was why they were making more work for themselves using Angular and having to clean up its messes instead of just using plain old HTML and CSS. As it stands, not only is accessibility an issue, so is general usability. ?The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.? ? Scotty (Star Trek III) Thanks, Teresa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:24 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question This sounds like a perfect demonstration of why not to use ARIA when there are perfectly good HTML tags that serve the same purpose. -*- Dan On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Teresa Haven > wrote: Thanks, all. Combing through the code is yielding at least a couple of incorrect tags that I know have been injected by Angular, and I?m betting there are more I haven?t found yet, so this will be a good learning experience for the developer. I appreciate all the suggestions on what to search for. Best, Teresa From: Travis Roth [mailto:troth@accessibilitypartners.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:02 AM To: Teresa Haven Subject: RE: [Athen] webpage coding question That JAWS message about virtual documents makes me wonder if there is an ARIA tag floating around that should not be, in particular possible role=application or role=dialog. As you mention ARIA used incorrectly can cause as big a problem as it solves. A couple other things to look at are if there is a role=presentation set on the heading tags, or if the developer is attempting to hide these visually and using some CSS such as display=none. Screen readers honor the CSS of display=none same as browsers do; a developer who last wroekd with accessibility in the early 2000s and is remembering this trick to previously provide AT extra info may be surprised it no longer works. Travis Roth Principal Partner Accessibility Partners, LLC www.AccessibilityPartners.com troth@Accessibilitypartners.com 402-466-0907 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question Thanks, Greg. Sorry, I should have been more extensive in my list ? NVDA with Firefox is in the mix, and I?m getting yet another different incomplete list of headers with it. And when I try to use JAWS with Firefox in this app, my command to request a list of headers just gets ?This command is only available in a virtual document, like a webpage.? Any other suggestions are welcome before I pull my hair out. ? Teresa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Kraus Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:34 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] webpage coding question Sorry, just saw that you were using Firefox. Definitely try NVDA in the mix though. Greg On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Greg Kraus > wrote: Hi Teresa, I would first check if the combinations of JAWS with Firefox and NVDA with Firefox give you the same results. Depending on the version of JAWS and IE and the particular elements that might be parent elements of the headings, that might be the source of the problem. If both JAWS and NVDA work with Firefox, then you can start looking at potential JAWS-IE conflicts. Greg On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Samantha Johns > wrote: Perhaps these need element tags - ARIA tags [Image removed by sender.] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 503/725-2754 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Teresa Haven > wrote: I?ve had a strange situation arise with a new web app that my institution is attempting to develop. We are still in the beta stage so the site isn?t public, but we?ve noticed that even though the developer has included appropriate H tags for structure, they aren?t all being perceived by either AT or various A11y checking tools. When I have JAWS present me with a list of headers on the page, I get one lonely H5 tag. When I have WAVE check the outline, I am told I have one H1, a small handful of H3s, and one H4. In the code for the page from the user agent perspective we can see one H1, a couple of H2s, a LOT of H3s, and a couple each of H4 and H5 ? which is what the developer used in the design. We are using JAWS 14 and 15 for testing, IE11 with JAWS, and Firefox 36 with WAVE. The app is not using HTML5, although it is using some Angular. Does anyone have any ideas for why our AT and tools aren?t perceiving the H tags that we are seeing in the code? Thanks for any troubleshooting suggestions you might have, Teresa Teresa Haven, Ph.D. Accessibility Analyst, Northern Arizona University _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not sure if I am following you correctly, but have you tried opening the xml file in a web browser, then copying/pasting the displayed text into Word? Teresa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:29 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] xml to MS Word? I know there has to be a way to do this...regular save-as doesn't work, if I can even get the file to open up right. Need to convert several xml files to plain old word (i.e., no markup showing). Help? Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Access Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronrstewart at gmail.com Wed May 13 08:34:27 2015 From: ronrstewart at gmail.com (Ron) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] xml to MS Word? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Susan, I have a how too on this but am traveling I'll see if I can find it this evening when I get to my hotel if someone does not provide it sooner. Ron On Wednesday, May 13, 2015, Susan Kelmer wrote: > I know there has to be a way to do this?regular save-as doesn?t work, if > I can even get the file to open up right. Need to convert several xml > files to plain old word (i.e., no markup showing). Help? > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Access Coordinator* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Wed May 13 08:37:38 2015 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] xml to MS Word? In-Reply-To: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB88540@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB88540@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Message-ID: No. That sounds too simple! -Susan From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:33 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] xml to MS Word? Hi, Susan. Not sure if I am following you correctly, but have you tried opening the xml file in a web browser, then copying/pasting the displayed text into Word? Teresa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:29 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] xml to MS Word? I know there has to be a way to do this...regular save-as doesn't work, if I can even get the file to open up right. Need to convert several xml files to plain old word (i.e., no markup showing). Help? Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Access Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Wed May 13 08:40:58 2015 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] xml to MS Word? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That would be appreciated, Ron. It used to be I could open it in an older version of Word (2007) and do a save-as, but that is no longer working after a recent update. I know there has to be a way. -Susan From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:34 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] xml to MS Word? Susan, I have a how too on this but am traveling I'll see if I can find it this evening when I get to my hotel if someone does not provide it sooner. Ron On Wednesday, May 13, 2015, Susan Kelmer > wrote: I know there has to be a way to do this?regular save-as doesn?t work, if I can even get the file to open up right. Need to convert several xml files to plain old word (i.e., no markup showing). Help? Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Access Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ats169 at psu.edu Wed May 13 08:42:34 2015 From: ats169 at psu.edu (Alexa Schriempf) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] xml to MS Word? In-Reply-To: References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB88540@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Message-ID: Take Susan off her coffee. LOL! Plus, copying and pasting from browser means formatting is lost. Ron, please share your how to the whole list, if you're willing? On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Susan Kelmer wrote: > No. That sounds too simple! > > > > -Susan > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Teresa Haven > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:33 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] xml to MS Word? > > > > Hi, Susan. Not sure if I am following you correctly, but have you tried > opening the xml file in a web browser, then copying/pasting the displayed > text into Word? > > Teresa > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu > ] *On Behalf Of *Susan > Kelmer > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:29 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network ( > athen-list@u.washington.edu) > *Subject:* [Athen] xml to MS Word? > > > > I know there has to be a way to do this?regular save-as doesn?t work, if I > can even get the file to open up right. Need to convert several xml files > to plain old word (i.e., no markup showing). Help? > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Access Coordinator* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836 <303-735-4836>* > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Alexa Schriempf, PhD Access Tech Consultant https://sites.psu.edu/aschriempf/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronrstewart at gmail.com Wed May 13 08:47:37 2015 From: ronrstewart at gmail.com (Ron) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] xml to MS Word? In-Reply-To: References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB88540@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu>

Message-ID: Will do. On Wednesday, May 13, 2015, Alexa Schriempf wrote: > Take Susan off her coffee. > > LOL! > > Plus, copying and pasting from browser means formatting is lost. Ron, > please share your how to the whole list, if you're willing? > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: > >> No. That sounds too simple! >> >> >> >> -Susan >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> ] >> *On Behalf Of *Teresa Haven >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:33 AM >> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network >> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] xml to MS Word? >> >> >> >> Hi, Susan. Not sure if I am following you correctly, but have you tried >> opening the xml file in a web browser, then copying/pasting the displayed >> text into Word? >> >> Teresa >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> ] >> *On Behalf Of *Susan Kelmer >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:29 AM >> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network ( >> athen-list@u.washington.edu >> ) >> *Subject:* [Athen] xml to MS Word? >> >> >> >> I know there has to be a way to do this?regular save-as doesn?t work, if >> I can even get the file to open up right. Need to convert several xml >> files to plain old word (i.e., no markup showing). Help? >> >> >> >> *Susan Kelmer* >> >> *Alternate Format Access Coordinator* >> >> *Disability Services* >> >> *University of Colorado Boulder* >> >> *303-735-4836 <303-735-4836>* >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> > > > -- > Alexa Schriempf, PhD > Access Tech Consultant > https://sites.psu.edu/aschriempf/ > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Teresa.Haven at nau.edu Wed May 13 08:49:21 2015 From: Teresa.Haven at nau.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] xml to MS Word? In-Reply-To: References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB88540@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu>

Message-ID: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB887C9@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> LOL ? that?s why I said I wasn?t sure I was following her. Depending on how simple the content is, it might work, but then again, a better workflow for current systems would be appreciated by a lot of us. ? From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Alexa Schriempf Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] xml to MS Word? Take Susan off her coffee. LOL! Plus, copying and pasting from browser means formatting is lost. Ron, please share your how to the whole list, if you're willing? On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: No. That sounds too simple! -Susan From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:33 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] xml to MS Word? Hi, Susan. Not sure if I am following you correctly, but have you tried opening the xml file in a web browser, then copying/pasting the displayed text into Word? Teresa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:29 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] xml to MS Word? I know there has to be a way to do this?regular save-as doesn?t work, if I can even get the file to open up right. Need to convert several xml files to plain old word (i.e., no markup showing). Help? Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Access Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Alexa Schriempf, PhD Access Tech Consultant https://sites.psu.edu/aschriempf/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Wed May 13 08:53:28 2015 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] xml to MS Word? In-Reply-To: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB887C9@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB88540@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu>

<8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB887C9@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Message-ID: To be clear, this is Shakespeare. So formatting is kind of important. And yes, the student knows already that listening to an electronic voice doing Shakespeare is going to be?off. But he?s still trying to figure things out, and wants to try everything. Who am I to argue? At least it is summer and we all have some time to putter around with things. The student has been great to work with, and those are the kind I like to go the extra mile for. And Alexa, you don?t want me off my coffee! LOL -Susan From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:49 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] xml to MS Word? LOL ? that?s why I said I wasn?t sure I was following her. Depending on how simple the content is, it might work, but then again, a better workflow for current systems would be appreciated by a lot of us. ? From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Alexa Schriempf Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] xml to MS Word? Take Susan off her coffee. LOL! Plus, copying and pasting from browser means formatting is lost. Ron, please share your how to the whole list, if you're willing? On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: No. That sounds too simple! -Susan From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:33 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] xml to MS Word? Hi, Susan. Not sure if I am following you correctly, but have you tried opening the xml file in a web browser, then copying/pasting the displayed text into Word? Teresa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:29 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] xml to MS Word? I know there has to be a way to do this?regular save-as doesn?t work, if I can even get the file to open up right. Need to convert several xml files to plain old word (i.e., no markup showing). Help? Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Access Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Alexa Schriempf, PhD Access Tech Consultant https://sites.psu.edu/aschriempf/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vasquez at sbcc.edu Wed May 13 09:45:15 2015 From: vasquez at sbcc.edu (Laurie Vasquez) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] In the NEWS Message-ID: Department of Justice Office of Public Affairs ------------------------------ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Tuesday, May 12, 2015 Justice Department Moves to Intervene in Disability Discrimination Lawsuit Alleging that Miami University Uses Inaccessible Educational Technologies and Course Materials The Justice Department announced today that it has moved to intervene in *Aleeha Dudley v. Miami University, et al.*, 14-cv-038 (S.D. Ohio), a private lawsuit alleging disability discrimination by Miami University in Oxford, Ohio. In the United States? motion to intervene and complaint, the United States alleges that Miami University has violated Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) by requiring current and former students with disabilities to use inaccessible websites and learning management system software, and by providing these students with inaccessible course materials. The motion was filed in the U.S. District Court of the Southern District of Ohio. As alleged in today?s filings, Miami University uses technologies that are inaccessible to current and former students who have vision, hearing or learning disabilities. Miami University has failed to ensure that individuals with disabilities can interact with its websites and learning management systems and access course assignments, textbooks and graphical materials on an equal basis with students without disabilities. Miami?s failures have deprived persons with disabilities of a full and equal opportunity to benefit from Miami University?s educational opportunities. Many students with disabilities, including those who have vision, hearing or learning disabilities, require assistive technologies to use computers and interact with electronic content. Examples of assistive technologies include screen reader software, refreshable Braille displays, audio description, captioning and keyboard navigation. Screen reader software audibly reads aloud information that is otherwise presented visually on a computer screen; refreshable Braille displays convert digital text into Braille; captioning translates video narration and sound into text; and keyboard navigation allows individuals with visual or manual dexterity disabilities to access computer content using a keyboard rather than a mouse. The complaint seeks a judgment from the court requiring Miami University to provide accessible materials to ensure that individuals with disabilities can equally participate in and benefit from Miami University?s educational opportunities, and to compensate aggrieved individuals. ?Education is said to be the great equalizer of American society, and educational technologies hold great promise to make this a reality,? said Principal Deputy Assistant Attorney General Vanita Gupta of the Civil Rights Division. ?However, students with disabilities continue to encounter an impenetrable glass ceiling of opportunity when schools fail to comply with the ADA.? Title II of the ADA prohibits discrimination on the basis of disability by state and local government entities, including colleges and universities. Title III of the ADA likewise prohibits disability discrimination by private educational institutions. Those interested in finding out more about the ADA may call the Justice Department?s toll-free ADA information line at 800-514-0301 (TDD 800-514-0383) or visit www.ada.gov. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Wed May 13 14:30:35 2015 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] Los Angeles Valley College - Disability Specialist REPOSTED Message-ID: <048c01d08dc4$0ccfb630$266f2290$@htctu.net> From: Green, David M. Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 4:32 PM To: DSP&S Directors Listserver (directors@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu) Subject: Job Announcement: Los Angeles Valley College - Disability Specialist REPOSTED and NEW DEADLINE Good afternoon, Recently, I posted a position announcement for a Disability Specialist at Los Angeles Valley College. There have been a few modifications to the announcement and qualifications, and the deadline has been pushed back to May 22, 2015. Please encourage qualified candidates to apply. See below. Good afternoon, DSPS Directors. Los Angeles Valley College is looking for a full-time, tenure-track Disability Specialist to become part of the Services for Students with Disabilities (SSD) Office team. A summary of the position announcement appears below. Experienced applicants with a backgrounds in technological accommodations and/or assistive technology are encouraged to apply. The application deadline is May 22, 2015. The full job description and instructions for applying are available here: https://laccd.peopleadmin.com/postings/2029 The LAVC Services for Students with Disabilities Office (SSD) encourages and supports students with disabilities in their effort to be productive, independent and part of the LAVC community. The department's role is to advocate, facilitate and accommodate so that students have full access to classes, activities and services. The intent is for students with disabilities to have a typical college experience by actively pursuing their studies and being fully integrated into campus life. SSD Faculty are expected to participate in departmental meetings and workgroups, professional development, and contribute to the campus-at-large through shared governance or other activities. Duties and Responsibilities: * Identify students to profit from instruction in the use of assistive computer technology. * Evaluate functional limitations, skills and abilities of students for the appropriate selection of hardware and software. * Instruct small groups of students in the use of assistive and instructional computer technology. * Develop curriculum for specific learning needs of students with disabilities. * Maintain appropriate files and complete reports as directed. * Recruit, hire, and schedule sign language interpreters for deaf and hard of hearing students. Evaluate deaf and hard of hearing students for the use of appropriate assistive technology. * Manage and evaluate test proctoring services and determine appropriate assistive technologies for use in testing based on student educational limitations. * Work with faculty and staff to support the assistive technology needs for students with disabilities. * Serve as liaison and resource person in the areas of assistive technology and disability related issues for college personnel and distance education. * Work closely with the Instructional Assistant - Assistive Technology to provide training with assistive technology hardware and software, alternate media formats for instructional materials, equipment loans, and inventory management. Refer students to appropriate campus and off-campus resources. * Communicate effectively both orally, by phone and in writing with students, faculty, staff, administration, and community entities. * Provide consultation and support to faculty, administration, and staff regarding compliance issues such as the Americans with Disabilities Act and sections 504 and 508 of the Rehabilitation Act. * Represent the Services for Students with Disabilities office on committees addressing disability-related issues on the campus and in the community. * Perform other duties as assigned. Desired Qualifications: * Knowledge of and ability to apply DSPS policies and procedures, Title 5 and California Education Code Regulations, and federal and state laws related to access issues in a community college setting. * Strong knowledge of adaptive technologies that facilitate access to electronic information and educational programs for students with various disabilities, and of assistive technology applications to assist in accommodating disability-related educational limitations. * Demonstrated ability to train students in the usage of assistive technology to accommodate disability-related educational limitations. * Demonstrated knowledge of requirements pertaining to compliance with Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act for website accessibility and Electronic and Information Technology (EIT). * Knowledge and experience working with adults who have disabilities, such as acquired brain injury, hearing impairment, learning disabilities, mobility impairments, psychological disability, development delay, speech and language disabilities, and visual impairments. * Experience determining eligibility for DSPS through direct evaluation, by observation, or from careful review of documentation presented, as well as training in the proper use of various assessment techniques. * Ability to direct many projects and tasks concurrently, within multiple locations, and manage time wisely. * Demonstrated knowledge of American Sign Language preferred. * Ability to work in a multi-ethnic environment with students who have a variety of learning styles and disabilities. See More at https://laccd.peopleadmin.com/postings/2029 Dave Green Associate Dean, Services for Students with Disabilities Los Angeles Valley College (818) 947-2679 Voice (818) 947-2680 TTY -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsuttondc at gmail.com Wed May 13 15:16:28 2015 From: jsuttondc at gmail.com (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] (no subject) Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20150513151434.05c191c0@gmail.com> Thought some ATHENites might like to share around their campuses. Good way for Web folks i.e. app. developers and those who build more basic sites (and university vendors) to get free training. Typically, mobile app. testing is also covered. Inclusive Design 24 (#ID24) 21 May 2015 sponsored by The Paciello Group http://www.inclusivedesign24.org/ Jennifer From ronrstewart at gmail.com Wed May 13 18:50:41 2015 From: ronrstewart at gmail.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] accessible student portfolios Message-ID: <0cd601d08de8$627fb4d0$277f1e70$@gmail.com> Good evening all, I had a recent request related to accessible solutions for student portfolio development and submission. Many campuses are now using this type of solution for both measures of student progress and also as part of the admission process for undergrad and graduate programs. Any information on known solutions or companies your campuses are working with would be greatly appreciated. I had looked into this a few years back but am finding what I have to be seriously out of date. Ron Stewart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sebastian.kelle at acm.org Wed May 13 22:23:38 2015 From: sebastian.kelle at acm.org (Sebastian Kelle) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] accessible student portfolios In-Reply-To: <0cd601d08de8$627fb4d0$277f1e70$@gmail.com> References: <0cd601d08de8$627fb4d0$277f1e70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: A while back, I was tinkering with Mahara, an open source e-portfolio system that can plug into Moodle (but also works without). They claim "With the right configuration, Mahara can be used by organizations that require compliance with WCAG 2.0 Level AA in 2014.". See https://wiki.mahara.org/index.php/Accessibility Perhaps this is worth a look. Sebastian On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:50 AM, Ron Stewart wrote: > Good evening all, > > > > I had a recent request related to accessible solutions for student > portfolio development and submission. Many campuses are now using this > type of solution for both measures of student progress and also as part of > the admission process for undergrad and graduate programs. > > > > Any information on known solutions or companies your campuses are working > with would be greatly appreciated. I had looked into this a few years back > but am finding what I have to be seriously out of date. > > > > Ron Stewart > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbohn at bergen.edu Thu May 14 06:20:43 2015 From: mbohn at bergen.edu (Maria Bohn) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] xml to MS Word? In-Reply-To: References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB88540@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu>

<8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB887C9@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Message-ID: <9895DA5ACFA8294E81559961A041EE750B5F2692@PAR-MB1.bergen.cc.nj.us> Hi Susan ? what I have done is open the xml file and copy/paste into Word and use the find/replace option to remove all tags. Im not sure if that is what you are looking for and I know it requires some extra work. Maria Bohn Senior Resource Accommodation Specialist Assistive Technology Office of Specialized Services Bergen Community College [cid:72E92308-14D3-4CAC-B305-FAF989948C2B] From: Susan Kelmer > Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 11:53 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] xml to MS Word? To be clear, this is Shakespeare. So formatting is kind of important. And yes, the student knows already that listening to an electronic voice doing Shakespeare is going to be?off. But he?s still trying to figure things out, and wants to try everything. Who am I to argue? At least it is summer and we all have some time to putter around with things. The student has been great to work with, and those are the kind I like to go the extra mile for. And Alexa, you don?t want me off my coffee! LOL -Susan From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:49 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] xml to MS Word? LOL ? that?s why I said I wasn?t sure I was following her. Depending on how simple the content is, it might work, but then again, a better workflow for current systems would be appreciated by a lot of us. :) From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Alexa Schriempf Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] xml to MS Word? Take Susan off her coffee. LOL! Plus, copying and pasting from browser means formatting is lost. Ron, please share your how to the whole list, if you're willing? On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: No. That sounds too simple! -Susan From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:33 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] xml to MS Word? Hi, Susan. Not sure if I am following you correctly, but have you tried opening the xml file in a web browser, then copying/pasting the displayed text into Word? Teresa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:29 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] xml to MS Word? I know there has to be a way to do this?regular save-as doesn?t work, if I can even get the file to open up right. Need to convert several xml files to plain old word (i.e., no markup showing). Help? Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Access Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Alexa Schriempf, PhD Access Tech Consultant https://sites.psu.edu/aschriempf/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Unknown.png Type: image/png Size: 24353 bytes Desc: Unknown.png URL: From rsthompson2 at ua.edu Thu May 14 06:50:43 2015 From: rsthompson2 at ua.edu (Thompson, Rachel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] ID24 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20150513151434.05c191c0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Any word on when registration will open for this event? Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Sutton Reply-To: "athen-list@u.washington.edu" Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 5:16 PM To: "athen-list@u.washington.edu" Subject: [Athen] (no subject) Thought some ATHENites might like to share around their campuses. Good way for Web folks i.e. app. developers and those who build more basic sites (and university vendors) to get free training. Typically, mobile app. testing is also covered. Inclusive Design 24 (#ID24) 21 May 2015 sponsored by The Paciello Group http://www.inclusivedesign24.org/ Jennifer _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu Thu May 14 07:58:15 2015 From: Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu (Joseph Sherman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] xml to MS Word? In-Reply-To: <9895DA5ACFA8294E81559961A041EE750B5F2692@PAR-MB1.bergen.cc.nj.us> References: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB88540@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu>

<8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDB887C9@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> <9895DA5ACFA8294E81559961A041EE750B5F2692@PAR-MB1.bergen.cc.nj.us> Message-ID: <50DD5F0CC3F534468FB20D832102EBA9132E71A7@EXPM5701.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> I sent this to Susan privately, but thought I'd also share with the group. Hopefully this will be useful. They are Bookshare xml files. You can try the options below from Bookshare help site. I don't have any bookshare files to test this on. Or, if those don't work, since Shakespeare is public domain we have more options. MIT contains The Complete Works of William Shakespeare in html/text. You can also download the Complete Works in ePub, Kindle, or text from Gutenberg >From Bookshare, Some of our users convert the books by using the .XML file: Option 1: If you have MS Word 2007 or later, open the XML file associated with the desired book. Then choose the Save As option from the File Menu and save the document as a text or PDF file. Option 2: The first step is to rename the XML file with an HTML file extension. To do this: 1. Right click the file 2. Choose the Rename option 3. Change the XML file extension to HTML 4. Answer Yes when prompted with the warning Note that if your PC doesn't show file extensions, turn off "hide file extensions for known file types" in Folder Options. To copy the text into a text editor: 1. Open the newly renamed HTML file in your web browser 2. Press Control + A to highlight the text 3. Press Control + C to copy 4. Open your desired text editor application such as Microsoft Word 5. Press Control + V to paste 6. Save the newly created text file in the format you desire Joseph Sherman Accessibility Specialist CUNY Computing & Information Services 395 Hudson St 6FL, 6-236 646-664-2167| Joseph.Sherman@cuny.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Maria Bohn Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 9:21 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] xml to MS Word? Hi Susan - what I have done is open the xml file and copy/paste into Word and use the find/replace option to remove all tags. Im not sure if that is what you are looking for and I know it requires some extra work. Maria Bohn Senior Resource Accommodation Specialist Assistive Technology Office of Specialized Services Bergen Community College [cid:72E92308-14D3-4CAC-B305-FAF989948C2B] From: Susan Kelmer >> Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 11:53 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> Subject: Re: [Athen] xml to MS Word? To be clear, this is Shakespeare. So formatting is kind of important. And yes, the student knows already that listening to an electronic voice doing Shakespeare is going to be...off. But he's still trying to figure things out, and wants to try everything. Who am I to argue? At least it is summer and we all have some time to putter around with things. The student has been great to work with, and those are the kind I like to go the extra mile for. And Alexa, you don't want me off my coffee! LOL -Susan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now I'm excited to be able to say that we've reached a milestone: there's finally a function called ImageIdentify built into the Wolfram Language that lets you ask, "What is this a picture of?"-and get an answer. And today we're launching the Wolfram Language Image Identification Project on the web to let anyone easily take any picture (drag it from a web page, snap it on your phone, or load it from a file) and see what ImageIdentify thinks it is. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Thu May 14 12:44:54 2015 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] Polynomials or synthetic division in Mathtype Message-ID: <0D861A8A-FE55-4208-95A1-FE941C62F90D@gmail.com> Hi ATHENites, Anyone know the input method or settings in Mathtype to create Polynomials or synthetic math? Thanks! BTW, we have achieved near Nirvana with our student using Mathtype, MathPlayer and NVDA math. Hooray! Wink Wink Harner foreigntype@gmail.com From skeegan at stanford.edu Thu May 14 13:22:09 2015 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] Polynomials or synthetic division in Mathtype In-Reply-To: <0D861A8A-FE55-4208-95A1-FE941C62F90D@gmail.com> References: <0D861A8A-FE55-4208-95A1-FE941C62F90D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Wink, I am not quite sure what you are asking regarding polynomials - are you trying to represent something like x^2 + y^2=c^2? (that's x squared plus y squared equals c squared) To display a power (i.e., squared, cubed, etc.), you would either choose the appropriate template in MathType or use the shortcut command Control+h. This will move the focus to the superscript region. Here is a YouTube resource that may be useful - I have used some of these videos for getting people up to speed fast on MathType. The video is a few years old, but does have some decent information: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izzFYtLjfFU Take care, Sean On May 14, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Wink Harner wrote: > Hi ATHENites, > > Anyone know the input method or settings in Mathtype to create Polynomials or synthetic math? > > Thanks! > > BTW, we have achieved near Nirvana with our student using Mathtype, MathPlayer and NVDA math. Hooray! > > Wink > Wink Harner > foreigntype@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From boydcarla at cochise.edu Thu May 14 13:46:15 2015 From: boydcarla at cochise.edu (Boyd, Carla) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] Interpreting and Alternate Media Services Coordinator - Position Posting Message-ID: Cochise College - recently ranked 3rd best college has the following position available. Learn more at www.cochise.edu Interpreting and Alternate Media Services Coordinator Department: Disability Services Opened Date: 05/12/2015 Close Date: 06/02/2015 Location: Sierra Vista Job Summary: The Interpreting and Alternate Media Services Coordinator is responsible for coordinating the delivery of alternative text media and interpreting services to the deaf and hard of hearing district-wide and for serving as student and staff interpreter for classes, services, activities and events as needed. *This position is open until filled with priority to applications received by June 2, 2015.* Duties: Within the scope of college policies and procedures, this position: Assists students in learning technology software and devices; performs conversion of text to alternative media; manages electronic textbooks for students; provides training and basic technical assistance on adaptive technology to faculty, staff and students with a focus toward Universal Design principles; researches and recommends technology and devices for students with disabilities; maintains knowledge of current trends and developments in the assistive technology field Assesses individual needs for interpretation services and assures the delivery of appropriate accommodations; oversees part-time interpreters, assigns tasks and monitors performance; works with students, interpreters and faculty members in resolving issues and fulfilling needs; orients faculty to issues dealing with deaf and hard of hearing students; assists faculty in accommodating these students Interprets for college-level classes in a variety of disciplines and other student activities; orients faculty to issues dealing with deaf and hard of hearing students and assists faculty in accommodating these students; informs the Director of Disability Services of issues, violations, and recommended accommodations Offers workshops to promote disability services district wide and in area high schools; develops relationships with Vocational Rehabilitation Transition Services Counselors for high school students considering postsecondary education and will require accommodations; performs varied duties as required for testing, scribe and oral translation; serves as classroom aide as needed Assists the Director of Disability Services in budget projections to meet the needs of deaf and hard of hearing students Performs other related duties as assigned *GENERAL EXPECTATIONS: *Employees are expected to accomplish assigned duties in an efficient, effective and competent manner and to strive for improvement and excellence in all work performed. Additionally, employees must understand the comprehensive role of the community college and cooperate and work harmoniously with students, faculty and staff, and the public. Employees will follow all college policies, rules, regulations and guidelines as they relate to this position. Knowledge, Skills and Minimum Qualifications: *REQUIRED MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS*: Bachelor?s degree from an accredited institution of higher learning recognized by the US Department of Education NIC, RID, or CDI certification requirements and be licensed or eligible for licensure through The Arizona Commission for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing Experience providing interpretative services to deaf and hard of hearing individuals Preference may be given to individuals with direct service experience working with students with disabilities Possess or have the ability to obtain a valid Arizona Driver?s License *An equivalent combination of education and/or experience from which comparable knowledge, skills and abilities have been achieved may be considered* Knowledge of and ability to follow college policies and procedures Knowledge of disability law/compliance in a postsecondary environment Knowledge of deaf culture Knowledge of current technologies and word processing, database, presentation, and spreadsheet software, specifically Microsoft Office applications Knowledge of assistive interpretive software, specifically Kurzweil 3000, Zoomtext, JAWS, Accommodate Skill in interpreting and utilizing American Sign Language Skill in analyzing and problem solving Skill in establishing and maintaining effective working relationships with other department staff, faculty, students and the public Ability to communicate effectively, verbally and in writing, and to relate to others in a professional, helpful manner Ability to relate to a diverse population and to maintain composure when faced with difficult situations Ability to multi-task and organize, prioritize, and follow multiple projects and tasks through to completion with an attention to detail Ability to work independently while contributing to a team environment Ability to effectively identify and resolve problems and to maintain strict confidentiality related to sensitive information Ability to analyze problems, identify solutions, and take appropriate action to resolve problems using independent judgment and decision-making processes *PREFERRED QUALIFICATIONS* Preference may be given to individuals with the following qualifications: American Sign Language Certification and/or Registry of Interpreters for the Deaf Certification Direct service experience working with students with disabilities Work Environment: Work is primarily performed under general supervision in an office or classroom setting with appropriate climate controls. Travel, early morning, evening, and weekend work may be required. *PHYSICAL REQUIREMENTS:* Essential functions of this position require: lifting, manual dexterity, ability to communicate, ability to drive. Sedentary Work: Exerting up to 10 pounds of force occasionally and/or a negligible amount of force frequently or constantly to lift, carry, push, pull or otherwise move objects, including the human body; involves sitting majority of time; walking and standing are required only occasionally and all other sedentary criteria are met Mental Application: Utilizes memory for details, verbal instructions, emotional stability, critical thinking, adaptability and creative problem solving skills are important Opportunity type: Full Time Duration: Twelve-Month Reportability: Director of Disability Services Pay Grade: AS08 Salary Lower: $34,147 Salary Upper: $38,928 depending on qualifications Required Documents: Cover Letter, Resume, Transcripts, Certifications and/or Licensure -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wink Wink Harner foreigntype@gmail.com From vasquez at sbcc.edu Thu May 14 15:30:45 2015 From: vasquez at sbcc.edu (Laurie Vasquez) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] More on Miami University suit - Software accessibility Message-ID: *Software Accessibility Suit* May 14, 2015 *By* Carl Straumsheim The U.S. Department of Justice is seeking to join a blind student?s lawsuit against Miami University in Ohio, saying the institution?s website and licensed software from vendors such as from Turnitin and Pearson are inaccessible to students with disabilities. Aleeha Dudley, who is blind, sued the university and its president in January 2014, alleging it violated Title II of the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990. The law requires state entities such as public universities to provide equal access to students with disabilities. Dudley enrolled at the university in 2011 to study zoology, but says her grades suffered because of ?Miami?s selection of software programs that gratuitously exclude[d]? her from equal access to accessible course materials, according to the complaint. Examples include digitized textbooks described as ?nearly useless and vastly inferior to the printed text,? software not designed to be used with screen readers, and ?unusable? tactile graphics. The department launched an investigation of the university in April 2014. Its findings, released that June, suggested the university had violated the ADA. The department has since attempted to resolve the case, but on Tuesday moved to intervene. The department will sometimes file a statement of interest in a case, explaining a specific matter without taking a formal position. If the department?s motion to intervene is granted, however, it would join Dudley in suing the university. The case is filed in a federal district court in Ohio. ?We are pleased that the DOJ is taking this case and the issues that it presents so seriously,? said Chris Danielsen, director of public relations for the National Federation of the Blind. The organization is assisting Dudley in the case. The university in a statement said it ?continues to deny the allegations. We take our obligations under the American Disabilities Act very seriously. Miami provides extensive resources and accommodations for our disabled students, and will continue to do so.? Miami is the latest university to draw scrutiny from the federal government over its use of technology in the classroom. In 2013 , the department reached a settlement with Louisiana Tech University over an issue that also involved students with vision impairments. Last month , the department settled a case with massive open online course provider edX, which committed to making its platform accessible to users with disabilities. While the list of colleges and universities finding themselves in legal trouble over accessibility issues continues to grow, advocates for students with disabilities said they continue to wonder how many examples are needed before it becomes a high-priority issue in higher education. ?The macro problem here that we?re currently having to address, sort of university by university, is that the technology and content providers are not doing what they need to do to make their stuff accessible,? Danielsen said. ?Currently the only mechanism that we have to address this is to go after the colleges and universities, because they are the ones with the buying power. They are the ones that can say, if they will, to a provider that we will not purchase, we will not deploy your product if it?s not accessible.? The organization is working with institutions and vendors to determine which regulations both sides can agree on, Danielsen said. The ADA covers colleges and universities, but not their software vendors, said Daniel F. Goldstein, a lawyer who specializes in disability rights law. He pointed out that institutions can influence the market by requiring companies that respond to requests for proposals to detail how they will make their software accessible to students with disabilities. ?Accessibility becomes a competitive edge once there?s a tipping point of enough schools saying, 'excuse me, but is your software accessible??? Goldstein, who also serves as counsel for the National Federation of the Blind, said. ?To get this fixed, it?s going to need college and university presidents saying this matters.? The department?s proposed complaint lists a number of vendors whose software it found to be inaccessible. In addition to the university?s website, video platforms Vimeo and YouTube, and word processor Google Docs, the complaint also lists course work management software from LearnSmart, Pearson, Sapling, Turnitin, Vista Higher Learning and WebAssign. The companies have contracts with many colleges and universities, so it is unlikely that Miami is using products not broadly found in higher education. The companies did not respond or were unable to respond to requests for comment Wednesday evening. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at stanford.edu Thu May 14 15:40:49 2015 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] NVDA question In-Reply-To: <917150AB-E420-4439-8D84-87CE95C7E197@gmail.com> References: <917150AB-E420-4439-8D84-87CE95C7E197@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Wink, If you are using the "special" math build of NVDA, then you can press the keys: NVDA+alt+m This will invoke the math mode and allow for navigation through the equation at a more granular level. I can't remember the other commands right now as I cannot pull up NVDA, but this should begin the process. Take care, Sean On May 14, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Wink Harner wrote: > Hi again oh wise ATHENites, > > Now the question du jour comes from the student: > > NVDA reads the equations as one big chunk and the student reports she cannot navigate with arrow keys to hear individual symbols or individual parts of the equation(s). Is there a setting or an adjustment to the way NVDA reads so that the student can navigate within an equation more easily --or at all? > > More thanks for your collective smarts and guidance. > > Wink > Wink Harner > foreigntype@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From foreigntype at gmail.com Thu May 14 16:35:32 2015 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] NVDA question In-Reply-To: References: <917150AB-E420-4439-8D84-87CE95C7E197@gmail.com> Message-ID: <577C1D1A-F35E-46CB-A771-52D783E38FCD@gmail.com> Awesome! Thanks!!! Wink Wink Harner foreigntype@gmail.com > On May 14, 2015, at 3:40 PM, Sean Keegan wrote: > > Hi Wink, > > If you are using the "special" math build of NVDA, then you can press the keys: NVDA+alt+m > > This will invoke the math mode and allow for navigation through the equation at a more granular level. I can't remember the other commands right now as I cannot pull up NVDA, but this should begin the process. > > Take care, > Sean > > >> On May 14, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Wink Harner wrote: >> >> Hi again oh wise ATHENites, >> >> Now the question du jour comes from the student: >> >> NVDA reads the equations as one big chunk and the student reports she cannot navigate with arrow keys to hear individual symbols or individual parts of the equation(s). Is there a setting or an adjustment to the way NVDA reads so that the student can navigate within an equation more easily --or at all? >> >> More thanks for your collective smarts and guidance. >> >> Wink >> Wink Harner >> foreigntype@gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From skeegan at stanford.edu Thu May 14 17:03:36 2015 From: skeegan at stanford.edu (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] More on Miami University suit - Software accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <93489276-C6A0-4007-A19E-C75C100EB67B@stanford.edu> Hello, The article below claims that the DOJ released its findings in June, 2014 regarding the case of the student against Miami-Ohio. Has anyone seen this information available publicly? I can't seem to find the results of the DOJ findings online. My Google-fu is weak and lacking? Thanks, Sean On May 14, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Laurie Vasquez wrote: > Software Accessibility Suit > > May 14, 2015 > > > > By > > Carl Straumsheim > > > > The U.S. Department of Justice is seeking to join a blind student?s lawsuit against Miami University in Ohio, saying the institution?s website and licensed software from vendors such as from Turnitin and Pearson are inaccessible to students with disabilities. > > Aleeha Dudley, who is blind, sued the university and its president in January 2014, alleging it violated Title II of the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990. The law requires state entities such as public universities to provide equal access to students with disabilities. > > Dudley enrolled at the university in 2011 to study zoology, but says her grades suffered because of ?Miami?s selection of software programs that gratuitously exclude[d]? her from equal access to accessible course materials, according to the complaint. Examples include digitized textbooks described as ?nearly useless and vastly inferior to the printed text,? software not designed to be used with screen readers, and ?unusable? tactile graphics. > > The department launched an investigation of the university in April 2014. Its findings, released that June, suggested the university had violated the ADA. The department has since attempted to resolve the case, but on Tuesday moved to intervene. > > > > The department will sometimes file a statement of interest in a case, explaining a specific matter without taking a formal position. If the department?s motion to intervene is granted, however, it would join Dudley in suing the university. The case is filed in a federal district court in Ohio. > > ?We are pleased that the DOJ is taking this case and the issues that it presents so seriously,? said Chris Danielsen, director of public relations for the National Federation of the Blind. The organization is assisting Dudley in the case. > > The university in a statement said it ?continues to deny the allegations. We take our obligations under the American Disabilities Act very seriously. Miami provides extensive resources and accommodations for our disabled students, and will continue to do so.? > > Miami is the latest university to draw scrutiny from the federal government over its use of technology in the classroom. In 2013, the department reached a settlement with Louisiana Tech University over an issue that also involved students with vision impairments. Last month, the department settled a case with massive open online course provider edX, which committed to making its platform accessible to users with disabilities. > > While the list of colleges and universities finding themselves in legal trouble over accessibility issues continues to grow, advocates for students with disabilities said they continue to wonder how many examples are needed before it becomes a high-priority issue in higher education. > > ?The macro problem here that we?re currently having to address, sort of university by university, is that the technology and content providers are not doing what they need to do to make their stuff accessible,? Danielsen said. ?Currently the only mechanism that we have to address this is to go after the colleges and universities, because they are the ones with the buying power. They are the ones that can say, if they will, to a provider that we will not purchase, we will not deploy your product if it?s not accessible.? > > The organization is working with institutions and vendors to determine which regulations both sides can agree on, Danielsen said. > > The ADA covers colleges and universities, but not their software vendors, said Daniel F. Goldstein, a lawyer who specializes in disability rights law. He pointed out that institutions can influence the market by requiring companies that respond to requests for proposals to detail how they will make their software accessible to students with disabilities. > > ?Accessibility becomes a competitive edge once there?s a tipping point of enough schools saying, 'excuse me, but is your software accessible??? Goldstein, who also serves as counsel for the National Federation of the Blind, said. ?To get this fixed, it?s going to need college and university presidents saying this matters.? > > The department?s proposed complaint lists a number of vendors whose software it found to be inaccessible. In addition to the university?s website, video platforms Vimeo and YouTube, and word processor Google Docs, the complaint also lists course work management software from LearnSmart, Pearson, Sapling, Turnitin, Vista Higher Learning and WebAssign. The companies have contracts with many colleges and universities, so it is unlikely that Miami is using products not broadly found in higher education. > > The companies did not respond or were unable to respond to requests for comment Wednesday evening. > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronrstewart at gmail.com Thu May 14 18:31:07 2015 From: ronrstewart at gmail.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] More on Miami University suit - Software accessibility In-Reply-To: <93489276-C6A0-4007-A19E-C75C100EB67B@stanford.edu> References: <93489276-C6A0-4007-A19E-C75C100EB67B@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <00f801d08eae$d146dbc0$73d49340$@gmail.com> My guess would be this is the release of findings to the defendant not to the public. Ron Stewart From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:04 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] More on Miami University suit - Software accessibility Hello, The article below claims that the DOJ released its findings in June, 2014 regarding the case of the student against Miami-Ohio. Has anyone seen this information available publicly? I can't seem to find the results of the DOJ findings online. My Google-fu is weak and lacking. Thanks, Sean On May 14, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Laurie Vasquez wrote: Software Accessibility Suit May 14, 2015 By Carl Straumsheim The U.S. Department of Justice is seeking to join a blind student's lawsuit against Miami University in Ohio, saying the institution's website and licensed software from vendors such as from Turnitin and Pearson are inaccessible to students with disabilities. Aleeha Dudley, who is blind, sued the university and its president in January 2014, alleging it violated Title II of the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990. The law requires state entities such as public universities to provide equal access to students with disabilities. Dudley enrolled at the university in 2011 to study zoology, but says her grades suffered because of "Miami's selection of software programs that gratuitously exclude[d]" her from equal access to accessible course materials, according to the complaint. Examples include digitized textbooks described as "nearly useless and vastly inferior to the printed text," software not designed to be used with screen readers, and "unusable" tactile graphics. The department launched an investigation of the university in April 2014. Its findings, released that June, suggested the university had violated the ADA. The department has since attempted to resolve the case, but on Tuesday moved to intervene. The department will sometimes file a statement of interest in a case, explaining a specific matter without taking a formal position. If the department's motion to intervene is granted, however, it would join Dudley in suing the university. The case is filed in a federal district court in Ohio. "We are pleased that the DOJ is taking this case and the issues that it presents so seriously," said Chris Danielsen, director of public relations for the National Federation of the Blind. The organization is assisting Dudley in the case. The university in a statement said it "continues to deny the allegations. We take our obligations under the American Disabilities Act very seriously. Miami provides extensive resources and accommodations for our disabled students, and will continue to do so." Miami is the latest university to draw scrutiny from the federal government over its use of technology in the classroom. In 2013, the department reached a settlement with Louisiana Tech University over an issue that also involved students with vision impairments. Last month, the department settled a case with massive open online course provider edX, which committed to making its platform accessible to users with disabilities. While the list of colleges and universities finding themselves in legal trouble over accessibility issues continues to grow, advocates for students with disabilities said they continue to wonder how many examples are needed before it becomes a high-priority issue in higher education. "The macro problem here that we're currently having to address, sort of university by university, is that the technology and content providers are not doing what they need to do to make their stuff accessible," Danielsen said. "Currently the only mechanism that we have to address this is to go after the colleges and universities, because they are the ones with the buying power. They are the ones that can say, if they will, to a provider that we will not purchase, we will not deploy your product if it's not accessible." The organization is working with institutions and vendors to determine which regulations both sides can agree on, Danielsen said. The ADA covers colleges and universities, but not their software vendors, said Daniel F. Goldstein, a lawyer who specializes in disability rights law. He pointed out that institutions can influence the market by requiring companies that respond to requests for proposals to detail how they will make their software accessible to students with disabilities. "Accessibility becomes a competitive edge once there's a tipping point of enough schools saying, 'excuse me, but is your software accessible?'" Goldstein, who also serves as counsel for the National Federation of the Blind, said. "To get this fixed, it's going to need college and university presidents saying this matters." The department's proposed complaint lists a number of vendors whose software it found to be inaccessible. In addition to the university's website, video platforms Vimeo and YouTube, and word processor Google Docs, the complaint also lists course work management software from LearnSmart, Pearson, Sapling, Turnitin, Vista Higher Learning and WebAssign. The companies have contracts with many colleges and universities, so it is unlikely that Miami is using products not broadly found in higher education. The companies did not respond or were unable to respond to requests for comment Wednesday evening. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On one equation ZText distorted some of > > the information: example - ?+ 2?, it added some > > strange character before the 2 as you enlarge it. > > I tried it several times. No matter what, ZText should not be > > doing that. > > Anybody ever encounter distortion like that > > with ZText and MMLab? (The equation looks normal w/out > > any magnification.) > > > > I switched to the Windows Magnifier. That worked fine > > with that equation. > > > > > > Keith > > Keith Kolander > > Adaptive Technology Specialist > > St. Charles Community College > > Cottleville, MO 63376 > > kkolander@stchas.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danc at uw.edu Fri May 15 12:26:46 2015 From: danc at uw.edu (Dan Comden) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] Internet Explorer keyboard only In-Reply-To: <50DD5F0CC3F534468FB20D832102EBA9132E7D41@EXPM5701.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> References: <50DD5F0CC3F534468FB20D832102EBA9132E7D41@EXPM5701.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> Message-ID: I thought Internet Explorer was only used to download Chrome and Firefox... Ok, enough "humor" In IE 11, I need about three tab presses to get into page content. I find that if I reload the page, the focus will go immediately to top of page on first tab press. Are you running any plugins? -*- Dan On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Joseph Sherman wrote: > I am having an annoying issue when I am using Internet Explorer without > a mouse. On page loads, I press TAB to navigate. The focus shifts to the > address bar, then icons, then favorites bar. On the sixth TAB the focus > finally goes to the web page. This happens on almost every web site. > > > > When I use FireFox or Chrome, the first TAB after a page load goes right > to web page content. What seems to be happening is that Internet Explorer > puts focus on the end of a page after it loads, thus first TAB wraps to > address bar, while FireFox and Chrome correctly put focus on top of page > after load. > > > > If this is just me, am I doing something wrong? If not, is this a bug in > Internet Explorer? It makes using Internet Explorer without a mouse for > tests a real hassle. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Joseph Sherman > > Accessibility Specialist > > CUNY Computing & Information Services > > 395 Hudson St 6FL, 6-236 > > *646-664-2167 <646-664-2167>| * *Joseph.Sherman@cuny.edu > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. >>> Joseph Sherman 5/15/2015 12:17 PM >>> I am having an annoying issue when I am using Internet Explorer without a mouse. On page loads, I press TAB to navigate. The focus shifts to the address bar, then icons, then favorites bar. On the sixth TAB the focus finally goes to the web page. This happens on almost every web site. When I use FireFox or Chrome, the first TAB after a page load goes right to web page content. What seems to be happening is that Internet Explorer puts focus on the end of a page after it loads, thus first TAB wraps to address bar, while FireFox and Chrome correctly put focus on top of page after load. If this is just me, am I doing something wrong? If not, is this a bug in Internet Explorer? It makes using Internet Explorer without a mouse for tests a real hassle. Thanks. Joseph Sherman Accessibility Specialist CUNY Computing & Information Services 395 Hudson St 6FL, 6-236 646-664-2167| Joseph.Sherman@cuny.edu From jeffreydell99 at gmail.com Fri May 15 15:50:34 2015 From: jeffreydell99 at gmail.com (Jeffrey A Dell) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] Zoom Text and MMLab In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <3ED3AB2C-42DF-4F58-A891-BE4BFF67DFC9@gmail.com> Usually when I come across a problem with zoomtext that distorts the fonts the easy fix is to turn off zoom text font enhancements which I believe is alt p+ shift + F. Sent from my iPhone. please excuse errors from using Apple's dictation feature. > On May 15, 2015, at 2:49 PM, Wink Harner wrote: > > Keith et am, > > It's probably an editing mistake in the mathml. Not zoomtext. We've run into several misrecognitions like this in prof notes done in mathtype & converted to MML and read via NVDA-math and mathplayer. > > Someone back at the ranch (the publisher) should be notified of the errata and request they make editing changes. Better proofreading on their part! > > My thoughts on a Friday. > > Wink > >> On May 15, 2015 11:35 AM, "Keith Kolander" wrote: >> Hi, >> >> A student is using ZText and MMLab for an online >> >> exam. On one equation ZText distorted some of >> >> the information: example - ?+ 2?, it added some >> >> strange character before the 2 as you enlarge it. >> >> I tried it several times. No matter what, ZText should not be >> >> doing that. >> >> Anybody ever encounter distortion like that >> >> with ZText and MMLab? (The equation looks normal w/out >> >> any magnification.) >> >> >> >> I switched to the Windows Magnifier. That worked fine >> >> with that equation. >> >> >> >> >> >> Keith >> >> Keith Kolander >> >> Adaptive Technology Specialist >> >> St. Charles Community College >> >> Cottleville, MO 63376 >> >> kkolander@stchas.edu >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Fri May 15 17:33:23 2015 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] Zoom Text and MMLab In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84F0D7D3D4@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Yes, I have seen this. We upgraded to ZT 10 and that seems to have helped greatly. At least the students who brought it to my attention haven't said anything else about it. ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Keith Kolander [KKolander@stchas.edu] Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 1:34 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Zoom Text and MMLab Hi, A student is using ZText and MMLab for an online exam. On one equation ZText distorted some of the information: example - ?+ 2?, it added some strange character before the 2 as you enlarge it. I tried it several times. No matter what, ZText should not be doing that. Anybody ever encounter distortion like that with ZText and MMLab? (The equation looks normal w/out any magnification.) I switched to the Windows Magnifier. That worked fine with that equation. Keith Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO 63376 kkolander@stchas.edu From gdietrich at htctu.net Sun May 17 08:47:48 2015 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Production Manager for E-text (Atlanta, GA) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009801d090b8$d3c3c870$7b4b5950$@htctu.net> To: Alternate Media Subject: Production Manager for E-text (Atlanta, GA) FYI - great job opening in Atlanta: Production Manager for E-text (Georgia Tech Job Number: 0171320) - Manage the production of accessible text formats. - Provide future direction for business unit through generating new customers and researching new and emerging practices in text production. - Establish and maintain relationships with collaborative partners nationally. - Provide technical support and workflow management to unit. - Supervise production staff including responsibility for setting employee goals, assessing employee performance and providing feedback, and making pay recommendations. https://gatech.taleo.net/careersection/gatech_classified/jobdetail.ftl?job=0171320&lang=en -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jennison Jennison Mark Asuncion Co-Director, Adaptech Research Network http://www.adaptech.org LinkedIn at http://www.linkedin.com/in/jennison Follow me on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/jennison Accessibility Camp Toronto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeP5Kl4GDgA ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Thompson, Rachel [rsthompson2@ua.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 9:50 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ID24 Any word on when registration will open for this event? Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Sutton Reply-To: "athen-list@u.washington.edu" Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 5:16 PM To: "athen-list@u.washington.edu" Subject: [Athen] (no subject) Thought some ATHENites might like to share around their campuses. Good way for Web folks i.e. app. developers and those who build more basic sites (and university vendors) to get free training. Typically, mobile app. testing is also covered. Inclusive Design 24 (#ID24) 21 May 2015 sponsored by The Paciello Group http://www.inclusivedesign24.org/ Jennifer _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From kimberley.smith at sfcollege.edu Mon May 18 05:10:46 2015 From: kimberley.smith at sfcollege.edu (Kimberley Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] document management systems Message-ID: Greetings, My college is looking into purchasing a product for electronic document management system. Our DSS director is looking into the accessibility of the products. Do any of you know about the products and are you aware of any issues or lack of access for them? 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Joseph Sherman Accessibility Specialist CUNY Computing & Information Services 395 Hudson St 6FL, 6-236 646-664-2167| Joseph.Sherman@cuny.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 3:27 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Internet Explorer keyboard only I thought Internet Explorer was only used to download Chrome and Firefox... Ok, enough "humor" In IE 11, I need about three tab presses to get into page content. I find that if I reload the page, the focus will go immediately to top of page on first tab press. Are you running any plugins? -*- Dan On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Joseph Sherman > wrote: I am having an annoying issue when I am using Internet Explorer without a mouse. On page loads, I press TAB to navigate. The focus shifts to the address bar, then icons, then favorites bar. On the sixth TAB the focus finally goes to the web page. This happens on almost every web site. When I use FireFox or Chrome, the first TAB after a page load goes right to web page content. What seems to be happening is that Internet Explorer puts focus on the end of a page after it loads, thus first TAB wraps to address bar, while FireFox and Chrome correctly put focus on top of page after load. If this is just me, am I doing something wrong? If not, is this a bug in Internet Explorer? It makes using Internet Explorer without a mouse for tests a real hassle. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 1:17 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Internet Explorer keyboard only I am having an annoying issue when I am using Internet Explorer without a mouse. On page loads, I press TAB to navigate. The focus shifts to the address bar, then icons, then favorites bar. On the sixth TAB the focus finally goes to the web page. This happens on almost every web site. When I use FireFox or Chrome, the first TAB after a page load goes right to web page content. What seems to be happening is that Internet Explorer puts focus on the end of a page after it loads, thus first TAB wraps to address bar, while FireFox and Chrome correctly put focus on top of page after load. If this is just me, am I doing something wrong? If not, is this a bug in Internet Explorer? It makes using Internet Explorer without a mouse for tests a real hassle. Thanks. Joseph Sherman Accessibility Specialist CUNY Computing & Information Services 395 Hudson St 6FL, 6-236 646-664-2167| Joseph.Sherman@cuny.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tft at uw.edu Tue May 19 11:03:52 2015 From: tft at uw.edu (Terrill Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] Take the #NoMouse challenge! Message-ID: Hi All, Global Accessibility Awareness Day is Thursday (May 21), and in building up to a full day of activities and events on the University of Washington campus, we've just launched a new website, http://nomouse.org which encourages everyone to "Take the #NoMouse Challenge!" Try checking a website or an online course without a mouse. Just use the keyboard alone, and answer these question: 1. Can I access all features? 2. Can I operate all buttons, sliders, and other controls? 3. Can I easily tell where I am on the page? Accessibility for people who are physically unable to use a mouse is just one of many web accessibility issues, but it is perhaps the easiest to test, so we're encouraging everyone on the planet to try it. Please help spread the word! Go to http://nomouse.org for more info. Thanks! Terrill --- Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology University of Washington tft@uw.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From todd-weissenberger at uiowa.edu Tue May 19 12:27:07 2015 From: todd-weissenberger at uiowa.edu (Weissenberger, Todd M) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] NoMouse Challenge Message-ID: <1915076255E0774CAF7BDB6AE550CF601535AC97@itsnt436.iowa.uiowa.edu> This is great. Thanks for sharing! Todd T.M. Weissenberger Web Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Services University of Iowa 319-384-3323 -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 2:01 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 112, Issue 18 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Take the #NoMouse challenge! (Terrill Thompson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 11:03:52 -0700 From: Terrill Thompson To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Take the #NoMouse challenge! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi All, Global Accessibility Awareness Day is Thursday (May 21), and in building up to a full day of activities and events on the University of Washington campus, we've just launched a new website, http://nomouse.org which encourages everyone to "Take the #NoMouse Challenge!" Try checking a website or an online course without a mouse. Just use the keyboard alone, and answer these question: 1. Can I access all features? 2. Can I operate all buttons, sliders, and other controls? 3. Can I easily tell where I am on the page? Accessibility for people who are physically unable to use a mouse is just one of many web accessibility issues, but it is perhaps the easiest to test, so we're encouraging everyone on the planet to try it. Please help spread the word! Go to http://nomouse.org for more info. Thanks! Terrill --- Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology University of Washington tft@uw.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Keith Bundy, MS Dakota State University Phone: 605-256-5121 Email: keith.bundy@dsu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Terrill Thompson Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 1:04 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Take the #NoMouse challenge! Hi All, Global Accessibility Awareness Day is Thursday (May 21), and in building up to a full day of activities and events on the University of Washington campus, we've just launched a new website, http://nomouse.org which encourages everyone to "Take the #NoMouse Challenge!" Try checking a website or an online course without a mouse. Just use the keyboard alone, and answer these question: 1. Can I access all features? 2. Can I operate all buttons, sliders, and other controls? 3. Can I easily tell where I am on the page? Accessibility for people who are physically unable to use a mouse is just one of many web accessibility issues, but it is perhaps the easiest to test, so we're encouraging everyone on the planet to try it. Please help spread the word! Go to http://nomouse.org for more info. Thanks! Terrill --- Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology University of Washington tft@uw.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vasquez at sbcc.edu Tue May 19 13:04:28 2015 From: vasquez at sbcc.edu (Laurie Vasquez) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] LAST CALL!! 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URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Wed May 20 09:22:05 2015 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:31 2018 Subject: [Athen] Position opening: Assistant Director & Assistive Technology Specialist at Northwestern University Message-ID: Dear Colleagues: This position is posted at: https://nuhr.northwestern.edu/psp/hr91prod_er/EMPLOYEE/HRMS/c/HRS_HRAM.HRS_CE.GBL?Page=HRS_CE_JOB_DTL&Action=A&JobOpeningId=24864&SiteId=1&PostingSeq=1 If you have any questions, contact Alison L. May, Ph.D., A.C.C. Assistant Dean of Students & Director, AccessibleNU 2122 Sheridan Road, Suite 135 Evanston, IL 60208 Voice: 847-467-5530; FAX: 847-467-5531 Alison May -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 AHEAD Association of Higher Education and Disability -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For captions on tables, use the caption tool...select the table to see this option in the context menu/right mouse click or AppKey. Captions for tables optimize accessibility when they come before the table. They let someone with a learning, cognitive or visual disability know what type of information they will find in the table. Hope this helps. The handouts have samples of accessible and inaccessible content. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad > On May 20, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Howard Kramer wrote: > > Hello All: > > I'm in the process of creating some videos and other resources on accessibility. One of the things I'm looking at is the Accessibility Checker in Word an PowerPoint. I notice that the checker flags for missing table alt text. In the demo document I'm using I have a caption (just normal text centered under the table) and introductory text for the table. I would think alt text would be redundant in this case but since this is going to be a training tool I want to ensure I'm correct on this. > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > -Howard > > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 > cell: 720-351-8668 > > AHEAD Association of Higher Education and Disability > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu Wed May 20 11:51:53 2015 From: Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu (Joseph Sherman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:32 2018 Subject: [Athen] some questions on Word accessibility and the built-in accessibility checker In-Reply-To: <95755036-D777-4727-B9F5-2AA8F07DB34D@karlencommunications.com> References: <95755036-D777-4727-B9F5-2AA8F07DB34D@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <50DD5F0CC3F534468FB20D832102EBA9132EB566@EXPM5701.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> In addition to Karen?s excellent information, the other thing you might want to check is using JAWS, try the ?list tables? command (JAWS+T). You want something useful to come up in that list so if a document has a lot of tables a JAWS user could go directly to a specific table of interest. Joseph Sherman Accessibility Specialist CUNY Computing & Information Services 395 Hudson St 6FL, 6-236 646-664-2167| Joseph.Sherman@cuny.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:35 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] some questions on Word accessibility and the built-in accessibility checker Howard: There is detailed information for both questions in the new tables and columns document at http://karlencommunications.com/handouts.html We use the Alt attribute for tables to provide structural info about the table such as this table spans two pages, has x columns and y rows, has merged or split cells...that type of information. For captions on tables, use the caption tool...select the table to see this option in the context menu/right mouse click or AppKey. Captions for tables optimize accessibility when they come before the table. They let someone with a learning, cognitive or visual disability know what type of information they will find in the table. Hope this helps. The handouts have samples of accessible and inaccessible content. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On May 20, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Howard Kramer > wrote: Hello All: I'm in the process of creating some videos and other resources on accessibility. One of the things I'm looking at is the Accessibility Checker in Word an PowerPoint. I notice that the checker flags for missing table alt text. In the demo document I'm using I have a caption (just normal text centered under the table) and introductory text for the table. I would think alt text would be redundant in this case but since this is going to be a training tool I want to ensure I'm correct on this. Thanks in advance for any help. -Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 AHEAD Association of Higher Education and Disability _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Wed May 20 12:14:40 2015 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:32 2018 Subject: [Athen] some questions on Word accessibility and the built-in accessibility checker In-Reply-To: <50DD5F0CC3F534468FB20D832102EBA9132EB566@EXPM5701.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> References: <95755036-D777-4727-B9F5-2AA8F07DB34D@karlencommunications.com> <50DD5F0CC3F534468FB20D832102EBA9132EB566@EXPM5701.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> Message-ID: Thanks you Joseph, Karen. That's great info. -Howard On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Joseph Sherman wrote: > In addition to Karen?s excellent information, the other thing you might > want to check is using JAWS, try the ?list tables? command (JAWS+T). You > want something useful to come up in that list so if a document has a lot of > tables a JAWS user could go directly to a specific table of interest. > > > > Joseph Sherman > > Accessibility Specialist > > CUNY Computing & Information Services > > 395 Hudson St 6FL, 6-236 > > *646-664-2167 <646-664-2167>| * *Joseph.Sherman@cuny.edu > * > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Karlen Communications > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2015 2:35 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] some questions on Word accessibility and the > built-in accessibility checker > > > > Howard: > > > > There is detailed information for both questions in the new tables and > columns document at > > http://karlencommunications.com/handouts.html > > > > We use the Alt attribute for tables to provide structural info about the > table such as this table spans two pages, has x columns and y rows, has > merged or split cells...that type of information. > > > > For captions on tables, use the caption tool...select the table to see > this option in the context menu/right mouse click or AppKey. > > > > Captions for tables optimize accessibility when they come before the > table. They let someone with a learning, cognitive or visual disability > know what type of information they will find in the table. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > The handouts have samples of accessible and inaccessible content. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > Sent from my iPad > > > On May 20, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Howard Kramer wrote: > > Hello All: > > > > I'm in the process of creating some videos and other resources on > accessibility. One of the things I'm looking at is the Accessibility > Checker in Word an PowerPoint. I notice that the checker flags for missing > table alt text. In the demo document I'm using I have a caption (just > normal text centered under the table) and introductory text for the table. > I would think alt text would be redundant in this case but since this is > going to be a training tool I want to ensure I'm correct on this. > > > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > > > -Howard > > > > > -- > > Howard Kramer > > Conference Coordinator > > Accessing Higher Ground > > 303-492-8672 > > cell: 720-351-8668 > > > > AHEAD Association of Higher Education and Disability > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 AHEAD Association of Higher Education and Disability -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"Under the overall direction of the Disability Resource Center (DRC) Director and direct supervision of a senior service coordinator, the incumbent is responsible for coordinating academic accommodations and support services to college students with varying types of disabilities. Responsibilities include: student advising; liaison, advocacy, educating and training students and other members of the campus community regarding disability-related issues and how to create a welcoming environment. The Service Coordinator is responsible for developing and directing programs, services, and activities to facilitate equal access, promote student success/retention/graduation and leadership development at the undergraduate and graduate levels. The incumbent will supervise and train student employees and interns. " Please click on the link below to view the full job description and to apply. Search postings by the job number 1505684. https://jobs.ucsc.edu/applicants/jsp/shared/frameset/Frameset.jsp?time=1432232854398 -- Sincerely, Ganga Harrison Accessible Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center 831-459-4573 gdharris@ucsc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joyce.carroll at bellevuecollege.edu Thu May 21 15:26:52 2015 From: joyce.carroll at bellevuecollege.edu (Joyce Carroll) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:32 2018 Subject: [Athen] Question regarding image editing programs Message-ID: Does anyone have experience with, and feedback on any accessibility issues related to, these two imaging editors that we?re considering using on our campus? www.canva.com or www.pixlr.com Many thanks in advance for any information you can provide. Joyce Carroll | Associate Dean, Office of Instruction Bellevue College, 3000 Landerholm Circle SE, Bellevue WA 98007-6484 425.564.2257 | joyce.carroll@bellevuecollege.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 9:55 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Adobe InDesign/PDF Accessibility InDesign is a very poor tool for this. The Adobe tool that has been shown to be pretty effective is LiveCycle Designer. Ron Stewart On Monday, January 5, 2015, Weissenberger, Todd M > wrote: A constituent on campus wonders about resources for using Adobe InDesign to create source files that can be exported to accessible PDF. She has done some self-study at tv.adobe.com, but feels that the process described there is too cumbersome and time-consuming. Has anyone encountered any InDesign resources that can help the casual document designer better understand and implement accessibility? 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I know you can use the Control key in Windows to force Dragon Naturally Speaking to recognize a command, but cannot find any record of such an option for Mac. Any thoughts? Take care, Sean From foreigntype at gmail.com Thu May 21 15:46:48 2015 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:32 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate Mac and Command mode In-Reply-To: <7FF0AF99-CC92-4F7D-8EA4-D1E4B3AEB58B@stanford.edu> References: <7FF0AF99-CC92-4F7D-8EA4-D1E4B3AEB58B@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Sean et al, Not sure where the setting is found on the Mac, so you'll have to hunt for it. There is a setting in the DNS TOOLS, OPTIONS menu to adjust the pause before recognizing commands. This brings up a plethora of adjustments and settings. Choose COMMANDS and then adjust the slider bar for the PAUSE REQUIRED BEFORE COMMANDS. Student can learn to play with this as he gets better with his dictation skills. Hope this helps. Wink Wink Harner foreigntype@gmail.com > On May 21, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Sean Keegan wrote: > > Hello all, > > I am working with a student who has had a few issues with Dragon Dictate 4 for Mac recognizing commands and performing an action. Part of the issue is how the student was issuing commands - there was too much of a pause between the command and text, so Dragon was interpreting this as dictation. > > While the student works on proper dictation, is there a keyboard command that will force Dragon Dictate for Mac to recognize the speech as a command? I know you can use the Control key in Windows to force Dragon Naturally Speaking to recognize a command, but cannot find any record of such an option for Mac. > > Any thoughts? > > Take care, > Sean > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Fri May 22 08:57:12 2015 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:32 2018 Subject: [Athen] Compass update Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84F0D7E9AB@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Hey all, I just had a pleasant surprise. My colleague and I were testing Compass on FireFox. We decided to throw a little assistive tech at it to see what would happen. We loaded JAWS and went into the test. JAWS read fine as long as you didn't use any of the commands that open boxes such as the links list. I was able to use the Say All command as well as move by elements using the hotkeys. I tried radio buttons, combo boxes, and form field commands, and they all worked without kicking us out of the test. The big one, I could use the CTRL key to stop JAWS, which didn't work in past tests. Sadly, I tried Read&Write 10, no go. I understand that it is possible to get Read&Write 11.5 to work with Compass. Our IT department is supposed to be upgrading the server, but I don't have it yet. I'll still have to sit down and take the full test before I'll say Compass is accessible with JAWS. I also want to test with NVDA and ZoomText. If anybody gets a chance to play before I do, let me know what you find. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried radio buttons, combo boxes, and form > field commands, and they all worked without kicking us out of the test. > The big one, I could use the CTRL key to stop JAWS, which didn?t work in > past tests. > > > > Sadly, I tried Read&Write 10, no go. I understand that it is possible to > get Read&Write 11.5 to work with Compass. Our IT department is supposed to > be upgrading the server, but I don?t have it yet. > > > > I?ll still have to sit down and take the full test before I?ll say Compass > is accessible with JAWS. I also want to test with NVDA and ZoomText. If > anybody gets a chance to play before I do, let me know what you find. > > > > > > Robert Lee Beach > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Kansas City Kansas Community College > > 7250 State Avenue > > Kansas City, KS 66112 > > 913-288-7671 > > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Fri May 22 09:46:53 2015 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:32 2018 Subject: [Athen] Compass update In-Reply-To: References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84F0D7E9AB@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84F0D7EA09@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Yes, I?ll have to test it all. I?m out next week, and the week after that si the first week of classes for summer. So, it may be a bit before I can give it a good run. However, I?ll try to remember to post what I find. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Friday, May 22, 2015 11:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Compass update Hi Robert et al, Go to the Design Science website or nvda directly and download the nvda math build to see if the math is read OK on the compass test too! Wink Harner On May 22, 2015 8:57 AM, "Robert Beach" > wrote: Hey all, I just had a pleasant surprise. My colleague and I were testing Compass on FireFox. We decided to throw a little assistive tech at it to see what would happen. We loaded JAWS and went into the test. JAWS read fine as long as you didn?t use any of the commands that open boxes such as the links list. I was able to use the Say All command as well as move by elements using the hotkeys. I tried radio buttons, combo boxes, and form field commands, and they all worked without kicking us out of the test. The big one, I could use the CTRL key to stop JAWS, which didn?t work in past tests. Sadly, I tried Read&Write 10, no go. I understand that it is possible to get Read&Write 11.5 to work with Compass. Our IT department is supposed to be upgrading the server, but I don?t have it yet. I?ll still have to sit down and take the full test before I?ll say Compass is accessible with JAWS. I also want to test with NVDA and ZoomText. If anybody gets a chance to play before I do, let me know what you find. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Fri May 22 10:30:32 2015 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:32:32 2018 Subject: [Athen] Compass update In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84F0D7EA09@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84F0D7E9AB@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84F0D7EA09@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: