From bwhiting at temple.edu Tue Mar 1 05:52:48 2016 From: bwhiting at temple.edu (Brent Whiting) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Request Information on Audio Description Vendors In-Reply-To: <04a601d1733e$57c6fbc0$0754f340$@webster.edu> References: <607fe0706d9f4ffd8ff1ec4f26ff0b1b@exch-2p-mbx-w2.ads.tamu.edu> <04a601d1733e$57c6fbc0$0754f340$@webster.edu> Message-ID: <9ced2a431e024d3f81bf16e231548b66@exch15-mr04.tu.temple.edu> Temple has a very good relationship with Karasch, particularly for live captioning. I'm not aware of any extensive use of their services for audio descriptions, but their customer services has been excellent for anything we've requested. Brent ------------------- Brent Whiting Director of Information Systems Academic Computing Temple University Ambler Learning Center - Rm 110 bwhiting@temple.edu voice (267) 468-8380 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Erica Ellard Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:13 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Request Information on Audio Description Vendors How about Karasch & Associates (http://www.karasch.com/html/contact.html)? Erica Ellard Director, Academic Resource Center Webster University 470 E. Lockwood Ave. St. Louis, MO 63119 Phone: 314-246-7702 Fax: 314-968-5919 ericaellard90@webster.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kauder, Cynthia G Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 2:13 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Request Information on Audio Description Vendors Hello, I've been asked by a university stakeholder to recommend an audio description vendor. I came across the following webpage of service providers and was hoping someone from the ATHEN listserv might be able to provide some additional insight. https://dcmp.org/ai/179/ Thanks in advance! Cynthia Kauder EIR Accessibility Coordinator Texas A&M Information Technology | Texas A&M University ckauder@tamu.edu 3363 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-3363 Tel. 979.862.6834 IT.tamu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fosters at sou.edu Tue Mar 1 08:54:54 2016 From: fosters at sou.edu (Shawn Foster) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Statistics - Z-table In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Z-tables, like many other tables, are a reference; they're really not meant to be memorized. Braille could be useful, perhaps. However, it might be worth considering whether a table with MathML would be more helpful. Maybe produce one page of each, give the student a problem or two (with the help of the professor) that would reference _just_ that page, and let the student decide which one works better? Or is there a more automated solution that the student could provide row and column information for, and then the software spits out the answer? (I'm pretty sure I remember that a TI-84 can do this.) Still provides the pedagogical function of learning to use tabular information to get the answer, but cuts out the very visual middleman. *Shawn Foster* Disability Resources Coordinator | U-CAM Coordinator Southern Oregon University | 1250 Siskiyou Blvd | Ashland OR 97520 541-552-6213 Why I'm at SOU: http://youtu.be/Ski0MzPd5IM On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Maria Bohn wrote: > Something new for me ? a Professor asked for a Z-Table to be converted to > braille for a student in class. I sent the Z-table to the braille > transcriber and they said this two page graph will be approximately 50 > pages in braille. Im not sure braille is the right solution for this > student - I asked him and since he?s only just learning Z-tables he is also > not sure. Does anyone have any experience with this and would a braille > output be usable for this? > > > Maria Bohn > Senior Resource Accommodation Specialist > Assistive Technology > Office of Specialized Services > Bergen Community College > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From burke at ucla.edu Tue Mar 1 09:59:40 2016 From: burke at ucla.edu (PATRICK BURKE) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Statistics - Z-table In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Hi Maria, > > I did some Z- & T-tables etc a few months ago. (I can check tomorrow if I > still have Braille files that might be useful for you.) > > One issue is that Duxbury (most common Braille translation software) has > several ways of handling tables. The default method for large tables is to > treat each cell as an individual unit, repeating the row/column titles > *each time*. This produces the giant files you mentioned. > I (& our student) found it to be more effective to just have the Z value > numbers, arranged in a systematic way. (Sometimes "rotating" the table 90 > degrees made it more intelligible, or removing other visual info like > repeated column headers.) > Patrick > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wag at 3playmedia.com Tue Mar 1 10:08:15 2016 From: wag at 3playmedia.com (Emily Griffin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Free Webinar with Deputy Chief of the Disability Rights Office at the FCC Message-ID: Next week 3Play Media will be hosting a free, public webinar with the Deputy Chief of the Disability Rights Office at the FCC to discuss the FCC's new rules on closed captioning for video content. Register here Full details below. -- *FCC's 2016 Order on Closed Captioning Responsibility Explained by the FCC* *Wednesday, March 9th, 2pm-3pm ET* [image: Inline image 1] On February 18th, the FCC released a 2016 order to clarify who is responsible for complying with closed captioning requirements. The commission unanimously agreed on their decision, which divides responsibility between video programming distributors (VPDs) and video programmers. There are significant changes that all VPDs and video programmers should pay attention to. In this webinar, *Eliot Greenwald, the Deputy Chief of the Disability Rights Office at the FCC*, will go over closed captioning requirements and responsibilities. He will cover the FCC's 2014 order for closed captioning quality, the FCC's recent 2016 order that allocates responsibility for captioning, and best practices for captioning according to the FCC. Eliot's presentation will cover: - The FCC's requirements for closed captioning - The FCC's captioning quality standards - Overview of the FCC's recent 2016 order - Responsibilities for ensuring captioning compliance for VPDs - Responsibilities for ensuring captioning compliance for video programmers - FCC best practices for captioning - Use of Electronic Newsroom Technique - Revisions to the FCC's captioning complaint procedure -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 496223 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mbohn at bergen.edu Tue Mar 1 10:18:12 2016 From: mbohn at bergen.edu (Maria Bohn) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Statistics - Z-table In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Patrick that would be awesome let me know!! Maria Bohn Senior Resource Accommodation Specialist Assistive Technology Office of Specialized Services Bergen Community College From: PATRICK BURKE > Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 12:59 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Statistics - Z-table Hi Maria, I did some Z- & T-tables etc a few months ago. (I can check tomorrow if I still have Braille files that might be useful for you.) One issue is that Duxbury (most common Braille translation software) has several ways of handling tables. The default method for large tables is to treat each cell as an individual unit, repeating the row/column titles *each time*. This produces the giant files you mentioned. I (& our student) found it to be more effective to just have the Z value numbers, arranged in a systematic way. (Sometimes "rotating" the table 90 degrees made it more intelligible, or removing other visual info like repeated column headers.) Patrick From lisa.brandt1 at pcc.edu Tue Mar 1 10:33:06 2016 From: lisa.brandt1 at pcc.edu (Lisa Brandt) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Firefox plugin to improve web accessibility for screen readers Message-ID: https://f123access.com/ From their FAQ page: "F123 Access (pronounced F 1 2 3 Access), is software which reformats website pages so that these pages are more accessible to blind people. F123 Access is a web-browser ?extension? which is installed in your Mozilla Firefox or (soon) Google Chrome browser. F123 Access improves the formatting of pages for those with a visual impairment who use screen-reader software. F123 Access is compatible with a wide variety of screen-readers, including JAWS, NVDA, Orca, VoiceOver, and Window Eyes. The current version is designed for use with the Mozilla Firefox browser although we will be releasing a Google Chrome version soon. Our software makes many automatic changes based on information that is already on the page, but which may be in the wrong place or illegible for screen reader software. F123 Access is also able to use the information provided by volunteers or specialists, to make any particular website more accessible." Audio tutorial for installation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BVqB1y5Uqk Registration with your name and email address is required for installation, but the software is free. -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) From marya at Princeton.EDU Tue Mar 1 10:59:23 2016 From: marya at Princeton.EDU (Mary A. Albert) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Job Posting Announcement: Senior Web Accessibility Advisor Message-ID: Hello Everyone, Princeton University?s Office of Information Technologies is seeking a Senior Web Accessibility Advisor to join its recently formed User Experience Office. This is a new position. To view the posting and apply, please see: http://jobs.princeton.edu/applicants/Central?quickFind=68122 The Senior Advisor for Web Accessibility provides central oversight, technical leadership, expert guidance, coordination and support to the University's departments and programs in their use of the web, with a focus on promoting, assessing and maintaining web accessibility. As a member of the User Experience Office, the Senior Advisor for Web Accessibility puts people at the center of the process. All services, principles and techniques are understood within that context and carried out with a keen sensitivity to meeting human needs. The Web Accessibility Advisor is the key advocate, expert and first contact for the University community on questions about web accessibility. Responsibilities: Establish guidelines, best practices and standards related to designing and maintaining accessible websites and online materials. Perform accessibility audits of key institutional websites and web applications. Assist in the technology and technical services procurement process, to help ensure accessibility requirements are made part of contracts. Perform accessibility evaluations for websites and applications under consideration for purchase. Work with vendors to implement accessibility features for websites and applications. Evaluate accessibility of external platforms that host institutional content, such as YouTube, Coursera and Kadenze. Work in collaboration with the Office of Disability Services, Office of the Vice President for Campus Life, Office of the Dean of the College, Office of the Provost, the Office of Communications, departments within the Office of Information Technology, and other offices as appropriate to ensure web accessibility needs are addressed. Develop and implement outreach and training on principles and techniques for web designers, developers and content providers. Serve as a resource for faculty and departmental staff who are publishing and maintaining websites or using the web to deliver instructional materials. Ensure feedback is provided to OIT and facilitate the open communication between customers and OIT that is critical to the launch and ongoing success of web accessibility services. Keep informed on developments in accessibility related systems and solutions. Stay actively involved with professional organizations such as ATHEN and the Web Accessibility Initiative and use the knowledge gained to continuously improve services. Develop and maintain the institution's Web Accessibility website. Create accessibility reports, articles and presentations as needed. Identify, implement and oversee tools for supporting website accessibility. Provide hands-on support to projects as appropriate. Essential Qualifications: Extensive knowledge of standards and specifications such as WCAG 2.0 Level AA and WAI-ARIA. Experience performing accessibility audits using technologies built in to mainstream devices such as laptops, smartphones and tablets. Knowledge of disability law including ADA Section 508 and the Communications Video Accessibility Act. Ability to serve the community within the Princeton culture and its values and traditions. Excellent customer service skills. Excellent written and oral communication skills. Ability to create training materials using a variety of media. Strong organizational and project management skills. Preferred Qualifications: Bachelor?s degree plus 10 years experience in web accessibility Masters? degree preferred The final candidate will be required to complete a background check successfully. ????? Mary Albert Senior Architect for Usability and Design Manager, User Experience Office Office of Information Technology Princeton University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not aware of any extensive use of their services for audio descriptions, but their customer services has been excellent for anything we've requested. Brent ------------------- Brent Whiting Director of Information Systems Academic Computing Temple University Ambler Learning Center - Rm 110 bwhiting@temple.edu voice (267) 468-8380 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Erica Ellard Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 5:13 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Request Information on Audio Description Vendors How about Karasch & Associates (http://www.karasch.com/html/contact.html)? Erica Ellard Director, Academic Resource Center Webster University 470 E. Lockwood Ave. St. Louis, MO 63119 Phone: 314-246-7702 Fax: 314-968-5919 ericaellard90@webster.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kauder, Cynthia G Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 2:13 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Request Information on Audio Description Vendors Hello, I've been asked by a university stakeholder to recommend an audio description vendor. I came across the following webpage of service providers and was hoping someone from the ATHEN listserv might be able to provide some additional insight. https://dcmp.org/ai/179/ Thanks in advance! Cynthia Kauder EIR Accessibility Coordinator Texas A&M Information Technology | Texas A&M University ckauder@tamu.edu 3363 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-3363 Tel. 979.862.6834 IT.tamu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From madeleine_rothberg at wgbh.org Tue Mar 1 13:52:31 2016 From: madeleine_rothberg at wgbh.org (Madeleine Rothberg) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Request Information on Audio Description Vendors Message-ID: The DCMP page linked below has an incorrect link for the Media Access Group at WGBH. If you are interested in more information about Descriptive Video Service at WGBH, please visit: http://main.wgbh.org/wgbh/pages/mag/ -Madeleine Rothberg ----- Madeleine Rothberg Senior Subject Matter Expert National Center for Accessible Media at WGBH http://ncam.wgbh.org madeleine_rothberg@wgbh.org From: , Cynthia G > Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Date: Monday, February 29, 2016 3:13 PM To: "athen-list@u.washington.edu" > Subject: [Athen] Request Information on Audio Description Vendors Hello, I've been asked by a university stakeholder to recommend an audio description vendor. I came across the following webpage of service providers and was hoping someone from the ATHEN listserv might be able to provide some additional insight. https://dcmp.org/ai/179/ Thanks in advance! Cynthia Kauder EIR Accessibility Coordinator Texas A&M Information Technology | Texas A&M University ckauder@tamu.edu 3363 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-3363 Tel. 979.862.6834 IT.tamu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From todd-weissenberger at uiowa.edu Tue Mar 1 16:31:20 2016 From: todd-weissenberger at uiowa.edu (Weissenberger, Todd M) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] AP Stylebook Accessibility? In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Has anyone evaluated the Associated Press Stylebook for accessibility? Any library users, for example? I'm getting mixed results--mainly a lot of unlabeled form fields, and a very cavalier approach to headings, but thought someone might have a fuller perspective. http://www.apstylebook.com/ [http://www.apstylebook.com/images/tout-logo_twitter_withbird.png] Associated Press Stylebook www.apstylebook.com buy the SPIRAL-BOUND 2015 AP STYLEBOOK The 2015 AP Stylebook features an updated sports chapter with about 300 new or revised entries, and a new 85-page back-of-book ... Thanks, Todd T.M. Weissenberger Web Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Services University of Iowa 319-384-3323 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Education/Experience: Master's degree required, preferably in Special Education, Psychology, School Psychology, Supervisory Certification, or other appropriate field; 3+ years of experience in disability services, preferably with supervisory experience at the postsecondary level. Knowledge of the Americans with Disabilities Act, as amended, and Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act Amendments. Excellent computer skills, including assistive technologies. Ability to maintain confidentiality and ensure compliance with a variety of state and federal laws, guidelines, and regulations. The ideal candidate has a high level of integrity, the ability to promote student self-advocacy, compassion for others, flexibility in thought and behavior, and an appreciation for the mission of a small, Catholic, liberal arts educational environment. Work and live in the heart of the beautiful Lehigh Valley, PA; just a drive away from Philadelphia, New York City, and Washington, D.C. 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Hope to see many of you there. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Rachel Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 8:06 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Are you attending CSUN? Hi, ATHEN colleagues, I am attending CSUN for the first time in a few weeks, arriving on Mar 21 and flying back to Alabama on Friday afternoon. Are you going? If so, is there any interest in an ATHEN dinner outing? Hope things are going well in your worlds, Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu rsthompson2@ua.edu 124 Russell Hall 205.348.0216 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <5e966ebe68dd4b3dab0d415f054fd612@blue.catnet.arizona.edu> References: <5e966ebe68dd4b3dab0d415f054fd612@blue.catnet.arizona.edu> Message-ID: <1833e5e296554b0fb37da71a8e2bdb32@sovmwexmbx2.LSCS.prv> FYI, I've created a LinkedIn Group called ATHEN at CSUN 2016. This is a temporary group for all ATHEN members, whether you're attending CSUN or just want to stay "in the loop" during the CSUN 2016 Conference from March 21st through March 25th in San Diego, CA. Feel free to use this as a contact and networking hub, coordinate conference itineraries, make CSUN-related announcements, arrange social gatherings during the conference etc. Those of you who can't attend may want to request updates about specific sessions or vendors. Kindly keep topics CSUN-related and SFW. NOTE: This group will be dissolved after the conclusion of CSUN 2016. To join, simply login to LinkedIn, search for "ATHEN at CSUN 2016" and press the Ask to Join button. Look forward to seeing you all at CSUN 2016! From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bishop, Jeff - (jeffbis) Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 11:30 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Are you attending CSUN? I am attending. Hope to see many of you there. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Rachel Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 8:06 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Are you attending CSUN? Hi, ATHEN colleagues, I am attending CSUN for the first time in a few weeks, arriving on Mar 21 and flying back to Alabama on Friday afternoon. Are you going? If so, is there any interest in an ATHEN dinner outing? Hope things are going well in your worlds, Rachel Dr. Rachel S. 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Regards, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 14-18, 2016. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ksinglet at gmu.edu Mon Mar 7 11:38:07 2016 From: ksinglet at gmu.edu (Korey J Singleton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] VP of Accessibility position with University of Phoenix... Message-ID: Hi All, Just forwarding a position with the University of Phoenix that I recently learned about... ----- The Office of Academic Operations within the University of Phoenix is seeking a collaborative Vice President of Accessibility & Disability Strategy committed to providing access for persons with disabilities as part of the fabric of our learning materials, our development processes, our innovation efforts, and our employee culture. The role is responsible for improving upon and establishing common policies and practices associated with accessibility and disability services for our students, faculty, employees and other constituents. Accessibility and achievement go hand in hand. This position seeks to eliminate any barriers that hinder a student's opportunity to learn or opportunity to demonstrate that learning through leadership, influence, managing risk and inspire a collaborative organizational commitment to eliminating barriers. To learn more about the position go online to https://careerslta-apollo.icims.com/jobs/5288/vp-access-%26-disability-strat/job?mode=view&mobile=false&width=735&height=500&bga=true&needsRedirect=false&jan1offset=-420&jun1offset=-420 or connect with Steve Morley, a Sr. Recruiter with the University of Phoenix. Steve Morley, Sr. Staff Recruiter University of Phoenix Talent Acquisition | Human Resources Office: 602-557-9172 | steve.morley@phoenix.edu -- Korey Singleton, ATI Manager Assistive Technology Initiative George Mason University Aquia Building RM 238 MSN: 6A11 Fairfax Campus 4400 University Drive Fairfax, VA 22030 Phone: 703-993-2143 Fax: 703-993-4743 http://ati.gmu.edu Twitter: @AccessibleMason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Mon Mar 7 15:33:39 2016 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Third times the charm? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004701d178c9$c7ce22f0$576a68d0$@htctu.net> From: Jenna Atkinson [mailto:Jenna.Atkinson@uvu.edu] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:17 AM To: Alternate Media Subject: Third times the charm? Hi all- We're still trying to hire for a specialist position over at Utah Valley University. Please pass along to anyone who may be interested. https://www.uvu.jobs/postings/19621 Thanks, Jenna Atkinson Coordinator of Assistive Technology Accessibility Services Department Utah Valley University Orem Campus LI 111B 800 W University PKWY Orem, UT 84058 MS 306 801-863-8868 Job Posting Number JPF05316 UVU Title Specialist - ATC Production Lab Working Title Specialist - ATC Production Lab Department 4DE-Accessibility Services Job Open Date 02/23/2016 Screening Date 02/29/2016 Job Close Date 03/11/2016 Open Until Filled No Job Grade 10 Pay Range $24,351 - $30,438 Position Number A97178 Benefits Full tuition waiver (undergraduate resident) for employee and dependents, substantial employer contribution to retirement, affordable medical and dental insurance, life insurance, & 12 paid holidays. Job Category Staff Special Instructions to Applicants Under "Reference's Letter" Please list a minimum of three contacts. References may be contacted at some point during the screening and selection process. Summary of Duties Reports directly to the Coordinator of Assistive Technology. Provides additional support in the production of alternative text which includes but is not limited to: braille, web braille, daisy format, and tactile graphics. Provides ADA - Assistive Technology support and assessment for UVU faculty and staff as needed. Minimum Qualifications Graduation from an regionally accredited institution with an associate's degree in a closely related field plus one year of experience related to the Summary of Duties or any combination of education and/or experience related to the Summary of Duties totaling three years. Preferred Qualifications Graduation from an accredited institution with a minimum requirement of an associates degree in a related field with a strength or specialization in Assistive Technology, Information Technology, Web Design, or a related field. Knowledge Familiarity with Technology. Familiarity with assistive technology is helpful. Knowledge of braille production, web braille, Daisy, OCR software, screen readers, and accessible pdfs is helpful. Experience in working in higher education environment preferable. Skills Skills in producing alternative text. Must have effective listening and negotiating skills. Excellent customer service skills. Excellent oral, written and interpersonal skills. Abilities Ability to work in a highly collaborative, team oriented environment. Ability to communicate effectively and efficiently with various campus departments regarding accessibility and usability of electronic information formats. Ability to gather data and analyze data for annual reporting. Ability to convey information effectively to the relevant directors, staff and respective departments. 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Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology The University of Alabama 123 Russell Hall Box 870248 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 205-348-0216 rsthompson2@ua.edu | http://accessibility.ua.edu From: Paul Chapin Reply-To: "athen-list@u.washington.edu" Date: Friday, March 4, 2016 at 10:00 AM To: "athen-list@u.washington.edu" Subject: Re: [Athen] FW: Blackboard Innovative Teaching Series: Accessibility Inclusive Classrooms Is this going to have any value to people not using Blackboard? Paul Chapin Academic Technology Specialist Amherst College X2144 Amherst College IT staff will never ask for your password, including by email. Any email asking for any password or username is almost certainly bogus. Never click on a link in an email to a site that requires a login as the link may be bogus. Type in the address yourself. Please keep your passwords private to protect yourself and the security of our network. From: athen-list on behalf of "Thompson, Rachel" Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Date: Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 5:16 PM To: "athen-list@u.washington.edu" , The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group Listserv Subject: [Athen] FW: Blackboard Innovative Teaching Series: Accessibility Inclusive Classrooms FYI Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility Center for Instructional Technology University of Alabama http://accessibility.ua.edu rsthompson2@ua.edu 124 Russell Hall 205.348.0216 From: Blackboard Reply-To: Blackboard Date: Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 4:10 PM To: Rachel Thompson Subject: Blackboard Innovative Teaching Series: Accessibility Inclusive Classrooms If you have trouble viewing this email, read the online version . March BITS: Meeting the Challenges of Accessibility Inclusive Classrooms As more and more attention is being placed on meeting the needs of students with diverse abilities, educators are looking more closely at inclusive classroom goals and how to accomplish them without adding significant additional time and effort to building online and in classroom curriculum. In this session JoAnna Hunt, Blackboard?s Accessibility Manager, will provide an overview of inclusive classrooms, outline the benefits and the challenges faced in implementing them, and provide a practical framework for assessing your pedagogy, your content, and the technology you?re using in the classroom to help you easily achieve inclusivity in your online and face to face classrooms. Date: Thursday, March 17 2:00 pm Eastern Features Speaker: JoAnna Hunt, Accessibility Manager Blackboard ? 2016 Blackboard Inc. All Rights Reserved. This message was sent to rshuttle@ua.edu by: Blackboard 1111 19th Street NW, 9th Floor, Washington, DC 20036 USA Manage your preferences ? Privacy Policy ? Contact Us From lissner.2 at osu.edu Tue Mar 8 07:38:04 2016 From: lissner.2 at osu.edu (Lissner, Scott) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Miami University Accessible Technology Specialist Job Posting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95352F21-D20A-4A6A-A522-D6FA169E0DEE@osu.edu> Accessible Technology Specialist Miami University, Oxford, OH Job Summary: Job ID: 2393 - Unclassified The position of Accessible Technology Specialist acts as a resource for the campus community on the procurement of accessible technology and promotes the campus-wide adoption of and compliance with the Section 508 accessibility requirements. This position?s focus is to collaborate with university purchasing and the IT Contract & Vendor Management Coordinator to research, develop, evaluate, document, and implement electronic and information technology procurement procedures and policies. This position will also develop documentation and provide training to university offices on topics related to accessibility and hardware, software, and web application purchases. Basic Qualifications: ? Require a Bachelor's degree earned by date of hire. ? 2 years of experience in a related field. Any equivalent combination of education and/or experience providing the knowledge/skills/abilities listed above may be substituted. Experience in these knowledge/skills/abilities may be earned concurrently. To see additional details and to apply to job 2393, please visit: www.miamioh.edu/jobs Miami University, an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer, is firmly committed to a multicultural environment and strongly encourages applications from minorities, women, protected veterans and individuals with disabilities. Miami University does not permit and takes action to prevent harassment, discrimination and retaliation on the basis of sex (including sexual harassment, sexual violence, sexual misconduct, domestic violence, dating violence, or stalking), race, color, religion, national origin, disability, age, sexual orientation, gender identity, pregnancy, military status, or veteran status in its application and admission processes, educational programs and activities, facilities, and employment practices. Miami University immediately investigates and takes disciplinary and/or remedial action when appropriate. 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I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this > and >recommendations? > Have a great day! > > > > > Samantha Johns > > Accessibility & Course Support Specialist > Portland State University > 1825 SW Broadway > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From E.H.Cliffe at bath.ac.uk Tue Mar 8 12:35:24 2016 From: E.H.Cliffe at bath.ac.uk (Emma Cliffe) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs References: Message-ID: <4b83a366e359424d806eb03295497165@exch06.campus.bath.ac.uk> Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From samanj at pdx.edu Tue Mar 8 12:49:22 2016 From: samanj at pdx.edu (Samantha Johns) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs In-Reply-To: <4b83a366e359424d806eb03295497165@exch06.campus.bath.ac.uk> References: <4b83a366e359424d806eb03295497165@exch06.campus.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! * * *Samantha Johns* *Accessibility & **Course Support Specialist * Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe wrote: > > Hello, > > Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full > test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the > EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images > (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means > that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow > badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. > > This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with > SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 > http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I > didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more > complex structural elements though. > > Best wishes, > Emma Cliffe > > Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer > University of Bath > > > On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: > > Hello Athen Community, > > As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to > Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this > and recommendations? > > Have a great day! > > > * * > > *Samantha Johns* > > *Accessibility & **Course Support Specialist * > > Portland State University > 1825 SW Broadway > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > > -- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math > >equations. > > I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt > text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read > the Alt Text. >So that's a plus! > > > > > Samantha Johns > > Accessibility & Course Support Specialist > Portland State University > 1825 SW Broadway > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe >> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full >> test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the >> EPub >>and looking at the source code the equations are stored as >> images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. >> This means that the >>images won't scale well (may also align badly and >> will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. >> This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML >> with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 >> http://www.idpf.org/>>accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). >> I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other >> more complex structural >>elements though. >> Best wishes, >> Emma Cliffe >> >> Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer >> University of Bath >> >> >> On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: >>> Hello Athen Community, >>> As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export >>> to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the >>>benefits >>> of this and recommendations? >>> Have a great day! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Samantha Johns >>> >>> Accessibility & Course Support Specialist >>> Portland State University >>> 1825 SW Broadway >>> Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 >>> Portland OR 97201 >>> (503) 725-2754 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> -- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. > > I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text > for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt > Text. So that's a plus! > > > * * > > *Samantha Johns* > > *Accessibility & **Course Support Specialist * > > Portland State University > 1825 SW Broadway > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe > wrote: > >> >> Hello, >> >> Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full >> test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the >> EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images >> (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means >> that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow >> badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. >> >> This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with >> SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 >> http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I >> didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more >> complex structural elements though. >> >> Best wishes, >> Emma Cliffe >> >> Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer >> University of Bath >> >> >> On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: >> >> Hello Athen Community, >> >> As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to >> Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this >> and recommendations? >> >> Have a great day! >> >> >> * * >> >> *Samantha Johns* >> >> *Accessibility & **Course Support Specialist * >> >> Portland State University >> 1825 SW Broadway >> Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 >> Portland OR 97201 >> (503) 725-2754 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> > > > > -- > -- > Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services > Accessibility Technician > Alternate Media Formats Technician > SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 > > Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: > access-tech-group@pcc.edu > 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 14:39:26 2016 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs In-Reply-To: References: <4b83a366e359424d806eb03295497165@exch06.campus.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <00ec01d1798b$5f538860$1dfa9920$@gmail.com> Hi ATHENITES, Today, I am masquerading as the magic math fairy. Waving my magic wand, I'm going to bonk on the Google Docs export to EPUB icon.**BING!** Whoops, Math Type equations have to be cut and pasted into a Google Docs, at which point they are converted to a GIF file, which all of us know "looks nice" but is generally inaccessible. Well shoot, I had to put that darn "varela" away. Bonking my math wand on Google docs just doesn't work, doggone it all. There are a couple of problems in converting to EPUB using Google Docs as the formatting engine. First of all there are easier ways to create accessible documents and convert to EPUB format - Caliber (free) is one among many applications which does a fine job than using Google Docs as the formatting engine. Google Docs is a shell program which makes you think you are working in Microsoft Word when in fact you are not. Which is why MathType doesn't work as efficiently or at all in this arena. What really confuses me is why any of us are even considering using EPUB for math output, when there is such a simple, somewhat direct (simple does not equal easy or fast!) route to take: if you want it to look nice, leave it alone in the PDF file. If it needs to be in text-to-speech, run the PDF through an OCR conversion using Infnty OCR software for the math & either Abbyy Fine Reader or Omnipage for the text portions, save into a Microsoft or a tagged PDF file, and for a student who has a reading disability, use the free CAR reader from Central Washington University, which renders math nicely in text-to-speech. Or for the student who is blind or visually impaired, and needs to use a screen reader such as JAWS or NVDA, retype using MathType. Or, you can convert to LaTex or Nemeth and export to Braille. The CAR text-to-speech reader is not yet available in the iDevice world, but it does nicely in the android and the PC World, providing a good text-to-speech output while simultaneously highlighting the math. This is good learning support for students who have reading disabilities. I am really struggling over why we think that every platform ought to cover every color, shade, and size of disability. Surely, we have learned enough by now to know that you pick the right tool for the job, not the other way around. If you're looking at portability, then by all means make the math look nice on a small screen. But portability is only applicable as an accommodation under certain circumstances, for example, a student who cannot carry all of the books without succumbing to a tipping factor. Or someone who cannot physically turn the pages would benefit from an electronic book format. I have enclosed (below) , a selection from a Google how-to site specifically regarding formatting math in Google Docs: "There is no built-in equation capability in Google Docs Presentations, but you can still use MathType to create equations for your presentations. 1. In MathType, in the Size menu choose Define, and set the font size equal to what you're using in Google Docs. Default font size in Google Docs presentations is 32pt. 2. In MathType's Preferences menu choose Web and GIF Preferences. Leave everything at its default setting except in the center section, click to place a checkmark in the box next to Smooth edges (anti-aliasing). 3. Create your equation and save it to your computer as a GIF image. Use the Save command in the File menu for this, being careful to note where on your computer you saved it (Desktop is convenient). To save as GIF, when the Save As dialog is open, check the Save as type section to make sure it says Graphics Interchange Format. 4. In Google Docs, click the Insert Image icon on the toolbar (or use the menu command), then click Browse to find the image on your computer. When you find it, click Open, then back in the Insert Image dialog, click OK. 5. Move the image into position. The size of the equation should be about right, but if you do need to resize it, drag one of the corners while holding down the Shift key, and it will retain the proper proportion of the equation." Here's the link: https://sites.google.com/a/d219.org/pdc/productivity/mathtype Note: this method is designed for presentations not necessarily EPUB export, but it will not render accessible math in any format. It may render math that will fit on an EPUB page, but that only means it's portable, not accessible. I encourage all of you to please go back to the drawing board and run down 1. Who is your student?; 2. What is the student's disability?; 3. What is the student's preferred electronic text? (PDF, text-to-speech, tagged PDF, LaTex, Nemeth code.; 4. How will they access the text? What equipment or technology do they have? Once you've answered these questions, the route your format takes will become evident. Each one is different, and sadly there is no easy, quick solution for any of this. As always, I am open to input and flogging from the listserv (enlightenment) if my information is not correct. I would love to be updated if there is in fact a route to math accessibility in Google Docs to EPUB. Respectfully, Wink Wink Harner Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training Alternative Text & Media Production The Foreigntype foreigntype@gmail.com winkharner1113@gmail.com (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lisa Brandt Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:00 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns < samanj@pdx.edu> wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe < E.H.Cliffe@bath.ac.uk> wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? 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I really need to get this going before Thursday since the student has a test Friday and I need to convert it as well as this review sheet. Thanks all! ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Samantha Johns [samanj@pdx.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:31 PM To: Lisa Brandt Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Hello Lisa, Yes I hope they make that a priority as well. [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lisa Brandt > wrote: Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns > wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe > wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) From E.H.Cliffe at bath.ac.uk Wed Mar 9 04:11:57 2016 From: E.H.Cliffe at bath.ac.uk (Emma Cliffe) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs References: <4b83a366e359424d806eb03295497165@exch06.campus.bath.ac.uk> <00ec01d1798b$5f538860$1dfa9920$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1a2ce0b2f49a41d390c4182831b76d36@exch06.campus.bath.ac.uk> Hello, I am not sure what this has to do with MathType? I typed (and edited via keyboard) the equations directly in the Google Doc (document, not presentation) via the web interface and using the inbuilt equation editor. This uses a LaTeX type structured format - similar to typing equations directly into a Word document. Hence I know that the document contains the structure of the equation - it is rendered directly so there is almost certainly a mark up language involved somewhere. In fact we can confirm this as the export mechanism for docx format from Google Docs produces OMML and so the equations are preserved in docx. Since OMML can be transformed to MathML via stylesheets they do effectively have the MathML but have chosen not to insert this into the EPub. They also have the LaTeX like linear format I typed which they have chosen not to retain in the document to preserve the equation and which they have chosen not to insert as an alt tag where they are generating images. The images which are generated could have been SVG which would at least have scaled well. The reasons I care: * I think it is reasonable to expect that text content (equations are text!) I type into a document is not thrown away without warning when I export that document to another format (I would expect to see the linear format even in the .txt export - why not?). These types of lossy conversions are how we end up with incomplete, inaccessible, poor quality or unusable scientific or mathematical documents in the first place. Maths students and staff I work with certainly see equations as text, particularly if they typed the equation, and they expect tools, conversions, exports etc. to work with them as if they were text. * As Lisa said, if Google using EPub builds widespread buy in or helps to then I would like that buy in to include scientific and mathematical content and the tools to appropriately create and render it well for all. This sort of poor quality output is more likely to build the idea that EPub is not suitable for this content when in fact it is. * Students use Google docs to collaborate on documents including scientific and mathematical content. This may not be sensible but it tends to happen (I have done this myself and then wished I could get anything which wasn't docx out of it). They sometimes then ask how they might export that document for their own purposes afterwards. Since all the export formats except docx currently throw away equation content I had hoped that EPub would provide another option. Now I know I should advise them that they must store and use docx and then do any transforms they want/need from there. If they are aiming for an e-book format, for whatever reason, this adds extra levels of conversion and every conversion of mathematical content introduces the risk of error. I am fully aware of the methods mentioned below and I certainly wouldn't use Google docs as a formatting engine when creating accessible documents. However, when the document is already in that format and a student asks how to independently proceed from there it is helpful to be able to advise appropriately. Best wishes, Emma Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 22:40, Wink Harner wrote: Hi ATHENITES, Today, I am masquerading as the magic math fairy. Waving my magic wand, I'm going to bonk on the Google Docs export to EPUB icon.**BING!** Whoops, Math Type equations have to be cut and pasted into a Google Docs, at which point they are converted to a GIF file, which all of us know "looks nice" but is generally inaccessible. Well shoot, I had to put that darn "varela" away. Bonking my math wand on Google docs just doesn?t work, doggone it all. There are a couple of problems in converting to EPUB using Google Docs as the formatting engine. First of all there are easier ways to create accessible documents and convert to EPUB format ? Caliber (free) is one among many applications which does a fine job than using Google Docs as the formatting engine. Google Docs is a shell program which makes you think you are working in Microsoft Word when in fact you are not. Which is why MathType doesn't work as efficiently or at all in this arena. What really confuses me is why any of us are even considering using EPUB for math output, when there is such a simple, somewhat direct (simple does not equal easy or fast!) route to take: if you want it to look nice, leave it alone in the PDF file. If it needs to be in text-to-speech, run the PDF through an OCR conversion using Infnty OCR software for the math & either Abbyy Fine Reader or Omnipage for the text portions, save into a Microsoft or a tagged PDF file, and for a student who has a reading disability, use the free CAR reader from Central Washington University, which renders math nicely in text-to-speech. Or for the student who is blind or visually impaired, and needs to use a screen reader such as JAWS or NVDA, retype using MathType. Or, you can convert to LaTex or Nemeth and export to Braille. The CAR text-to-speech reader is not yet available in the iDevice world, but it does nicely in the android and the PC World, providing a good text-to-speech output while simultaneously highlighting the math. This is good learning support for students who have reading disabilities. I am really struggling over why we think that every platform ought to cover every color, shade, and size of disability. Surely, we have learned enough by now to know that you pick the right tool for the job, not the other way around. If you're looking at portability, then by all means make the math look nice on a small screen. But portability is only applicable as an accommodation under certain circumstances, for example, a student who cannot carry all of the books without succumbing to a tipping factor. Or someone who cannot physically turn the pages would benefit from an electronic book format. I have enclosed (below) , a selection from a Google how-to site specifically regarding formatting math in Google Docs: "There is no built-in equation capability in Google Docs Presentations, but you can still use MathType to create equations for your presentations. 1. In MathType, in the Size menu choose Define, and set the font size equal to what you're using in Google Docs. Default font size in Google Docs presentations is 32pt. 2. In MathType's Preferences menu choose Web and GIF Preferences. Leave everything at its default setting except in the center section, click to place a checkmark in the box next to Smooth edges (anti-aliasing). 3. Create your equation and save it to your computer as a GIF image. Use the Save command in the File menu for this, being careful to note where on your computer you saved it (Desktop is convenient). To save as GIF, when the Save As dialog is open, check the Save as type section to make sure it says Graphics Interchange Format. 4. In Google Docs, click the Insert Image icon on the toolbar (or use the menu command), then click Browse to find the image on your computer. When you find it, click Open, then back in the Insert Image dialog, click OK. 5. Move the image into position. The size of the equation should be about right, but if you do need to resize it, drag one of the corners while holding down the Shift key, and it will retain the proper proportion of the equation." Here's the link: https://sites.google.com/a/d219.org/pdc/productivity/mathtype Note: this method is designed for presentations not necessarily EPUB export, but it will not render accessible math in any format. It may render math that will fit on an EPUB page, but that only means it's portable, not accessible. I encourage all of you to please go back to the drawing board and run down 1. Who is your student?; 2. What is the student's disability?; 3. What is the student's preferred electronic text? (PDF, text-to-speech, tagged PDF, LaTex, Nemeth code?; 4. How will they access the text? What equipment or technology do they have? Once you've answered these questions, the route your format takes will become evident. Each one is different, and sadly there is no easy, quick solution for any of this. As always, I am open to input and flogging from the listserv (enlightenment) if my information is not correct. I would love to be updated if there is in fact a route to math accessibility in Google Docs to EPUB. Respectfully, Wink Wink Harner Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training Alternative Text & Media Production The Foreigntype foreigntype@gmail.com winkharner1113@gmail.com (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lisa Brandt Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:00 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns <samanj@pdx.edu> wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe <E.H.Cliffe@bath.ac.uk> wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.noble at louisville.edu Wed Mar 9 04:55:45 2016 From: steve.noble at louisville.edu (steve.noble@louisville.edu) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] MathType problem In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A20A9@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A20A9@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: Well, the most obvious first step is to be sure that both MathType and Duxbury are installed on the same machine, according to http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_math.asp: "If MathType is not loaded on the same computer as DBT, then as DBT imports a Word document containing MathType material, an error message shows up in the DBT file at the location of each piece of mathematical notation in the file." Other than that, there were a number of MathType conversion errors that were fixed in Duxbury 11.3, according to this page: http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbtwhst.asp You might try contacting caryn@duxsys.com or someone else on their support team. Since I don't really use DBT at a personal level, I cannot speak to other possible issues relating to that software. Hope that helps... --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Robert Beach [rbeach@KCKCC.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 10:11 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] MathType problem Hey all, I have a MathType error that I can't figure out. My intern created a math review sheet in Word 2010 using MathType 6.9B. In the past, I was able to open the Word document into Duxbury and convert the math problems without too much trouble. However, this document gives errors on all of the math problems, but the text translates correctly. I tried it on Duxbury 11.1 (at work) and Duxbury 11.2 (at home). With Duxbury 11.1, I get an error that the file is an unsupported format and it doesn't open. At home the document opens but as I said all problems translate into errors. Can anybody give me an idea what to try? I really need to get this going before Thursday since the student has a test Friday and I need to convert it as well as this review sheet. Thanks all! ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Samantha Johns [samanj@pdx.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:31 PM To: Lisa Brandt Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Hello Lisa, Yes I hope they make that a priority as well. [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lisa Brandt > wrote: Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns > wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe > wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.idpf.org_accessibility_guidelines_content_mathml_desc.php&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=nEtawkDp2ik7MSDKS77XfGZzpD783-bYJrX06GUSa-Q&e= ). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Mar 9 07:01:48 2016 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] MathType problem In-Reply-To: References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A20A9@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL>, Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A2187@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Hello Steve, Yes, Duxbury is installed on the same machine as Math Type. This system has worked before with producing math content in braille. The only thing that has changed is the machine the Word document was originally created on crashed and had to have a new drive installed. I reinstalled math type on the machine and things seem to be fine. But, when pulling the Word doc that was created on that machine into Duxbury on my machine, I got the math type errors. I brought the file home and tried it on my own personal machine, again with both Math Type and Duxbury installed, and got basically the same results. Thanks for the suggestions. I'll give the links you provided a look over to see if I'm missing something. ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of steve.noble@louisville.edu [steve.noble@louisville.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 6:55 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Well, the most obvious first step is to be sure that both MathType and Duxbury are installed on the same machine, according to http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_math.asp: "If MathType is not loaded on the same computer as DBT, then as DBT imports a Word document containing MathType material, an error message shows up in the DBT file at the location of each piece of mathematical notation in the file." Other than that, there were a number of MathType conversion errors that were fixed in Duxbury 11.3, according to this page: http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbtwhst.asp You might try contacting caryn@duxsys.com or someone else on their support team. Since I don't really use DBT at a personal level, I cannot speak to other possible issues relating to that software. Hope that helps... --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Robert Beach [rbeach@KCKCC.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 10:11 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] MathType problem Hey all, I have a MathType error that I can't figure out. My intern created a math review sheet in Word 2010 using MathType 6.9B. In the past, I was able to open the Word document into Duxbury and convert the math problems without too much trouble. However, this document gives errors on all of the math problems, but the text translates correctly. I tried it on Duxbury 11.1 (at work) and Duxbury 11.2 (at home). With Duxbury 11.1, I get an error that the file is an unsupported format and it doesn't open. At home the document opens but as I said all problems translate into errors. Can anybody give me an idea what to try? I really need to get this going before Thursday since the student has a test Friday and I need to convert it as well as this review sheet. Thanks all! ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Samantha Johns [samanj@pdx.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:31 PM To: Lisa Brandt Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Hello Lisa, Yes I hope they make that a priority as well. [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lisa Brandt > wrote: Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns > wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe > wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.idpf.org_accessibility_guidelines_content_mathml_desc.php&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=nEtawkDp2ik7MSDKS77XfGZzpD783-bYJrX06GUSa-Q&e= ). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From mmintz at pasadena.edu Wed Mar 9 07:51:45 2016 From: mmintz at pasadena.edu (Mark C. Mintz) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] MathType problem In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A2187@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A20A9@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL>, <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A2187@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: Robert, Is it the error that puts "[MATHTYPE TRANSLATION ERROR]" or something like that instead of the equation? Though I'm not really sure all of the reason behind it, I've found it is usually the caused by rogue spaces in the mathtype. My student worker sometimes causes this by copying from the original pdf and pasting into mathtype then fix the formatting. Usually I can fix it by arrowing through the whole equation to find the space. If that doesn't work, you can tell which equations are having issues, so recreate those equations manually. I'm pretty sure the problem is a character in the math that Duxbury just can't figure out what to do with, and instead of ignoring (as most programs would) it throws an error, which is good because then you know something will be wonky with the braille if you create it as is. Lately I've also started looking at the latex (Toggle TeX in the mathtype tab) to troubleshoot. You can usually tell if something looks wrong. Good luck, Mark Mintz Alt Media Specialist Pasadena City College Room D201A 626-585-7107 X7107 -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 7:02 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Hello Steve, Yes, Duxbury is installed on the same machine as Math Type. This system has worked before with producing math content in braille. The only thing that has changed is the machine the Word document was originally created on crashed and had to have a new drive installed. I reinstalled math type on the machine and things seem to be fine. But, when pulling the Word doc that was created on that machine into Duxbury on my machine, I got the math type errors. I brought the file home and tried it on my own personal machine, again with both Math Type and Duxbury installed, and got basically the same results. Thanks for the suggestions. I'll give the links you provided a look over to see if I'm missing something. ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of steve.noble@louisville.edu [steve.noble@louisville.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 6:55 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Well, the most obvious first step is to be sure that both MathType and Duxbury are installed on the same machine, according to http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_math.asp: "If MathType is not loaded on the same computer as DBT, then as DBT imports a Word document containing MathType material, an error message shows up in the DBT file at the location of each piece of mathematical notation in the file." Other than that, there were a number of MathType conversion errors that were fixed in Duxbury 11.3, according to this page: http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbtwhst.asp You might try contacting caryn@duxsys.com or someone else on their support team. Since I don't really use DBT at a personal level, I cannot speak to other possible issues relating to that software. Hope that helps... --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Robert Beach [rbeach@KCKCC.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 10:11 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] MathType problem Hey all, I have a MathType error that I can't figure out. My intern created a math review sheet in Word 2010 using MathType 6.9B. In the past, I was able to open the Word document into Duxbury and convert the math problems without too much trouble. However, this document gives errors on all of the math problems, but the text translates correctly. I tried it on Duxbury 11.1 (at work) and Duxbury 11.2 (at home). With Duxbury 11.1, I get an error that the file is an unsupported format and it doesn't open. At home the document opens but as I said all problems translate into errors. Can anybody give me an idea what to try? I really need to get this going before Thursday since the student has a test Friday and I need to convert it as well as this review sheet. Thanks all! ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Samantha Johns [samanj@pdx.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:31 PM To: Lisa Brandt Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Hello Lisa, Yes I hope they make that a priority as well. [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lisa Brandt > wrote: Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns > wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe > wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.idpf.org_accessibility_guidelines_content_mathml_desc.php&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=nEtawkDp2ik7MSDKS77XfGZzpD783-bYJrX06GUSa-Q&e= ). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From todd.schwanke at wisc.edu Wed Mar 9 08:15:43 2016 From: todd.schwanke at wisc.edu (Todd Schwanke) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] MathType problem In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A2187@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A20A9@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A2187@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: Robert: Some things to check or try (you may have done some of these already) to try to narrow down whether it is the software, the file, or the equation editing the intern is doing. * Rerun Word documents that you had previously run through successfully to see if they work and if the problem is specific to this document. * If it is saved as a .docx, save as a .doc and vice versa, and then try to convert again. * Was the new file in question created with a 64 bit version of Word rather than a 32 bit? * If you haven't already, try creating a new Word document with a simple equation on the machine that you are using for the conversion, and then process that. If it is successful, then recreate a couple of equations from the math review sheet from scratch and see if they convert. If that is successful, then break the review sheet down into smaller pieces and see if chunks of it work. If that doesn't work but a new document does, then you may be able to copy some of the Latex code into a new document to see if you can save some of the equation work and get them to convert. Todd Schwanke UW-Madison -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 9:02 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Hello Steve, Yes, Duxbury is installed on the same machine as Math Type. This system has worked before with producing math content in braille. The only thing that has changed is the machine the Word document was originally created on crashed and had to have a new drive installed. I reinstalled math type on the machine and things seem to be fine. But, when pulling the Word doc that was created on that machine into Duxbury on my machine, I got the math type errors. I brought the file home and tried it on my own personal machine, again with both Math Type and Duxbury installed, and got basically the same results. Thanks for the suggestions. I'll give the links you provided a look over to see if I'm missing something. ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of steve.noble@louisville.edu [steve.noble@louisville.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 6:55 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Well, the most obvious first step is to be sure that both MathType and Duxbury are installed on the same machine, according to http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_math.asp: "If MathType is not loaded on the same computer as DBT, then as DBT imports a Word document containing MathType material, an error message shows up in the DBT file at the location of each piece of mathematical notation in the file." Other than that, there were a number of MathType conversion errors that were fixed in Duxbury 11.3, according to this page: http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbtwhst.asp You might try contacting caryn@duxsys.com or someone else on their support team. Since I don't really use DBT at a personal level, I cannot speak to other possible issues relating to that software. Hope that helps... --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Robert Beach [rbeach@KCKCC.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 10:11 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] MathType problem Hey all, I have a MathType error that I can't figure out. My intern created a math review sheet in Word 2010 using MathType 6.9B. In the past, I was able to open the Word document into Duxbury and convert the math problems without too much trouble. However, this document gives errors on all of the math problems, but the text translates correctly. I tried it on Duxbury 11.1 (at work) and Duxbury 11.2 (at home). With Duxbury 11.1, I get an error that the file is an unsupported format and it doesn't open. At home the document opens but as I said all problems translate into errors. Can anybody give me an idea what to try? I really need to get this going before Thursday since the student has a test Friday and I need to convert it as well as this review sheet. Thanks all! ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Samantha Johns [samanj@pdx.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:31 PM To: Lisa Brandt Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Hello Lisa, Yes I hope they make that a priority as well. [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lisa Brandt > wrote: Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns > wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe > wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.idpf.org_accessibility_guidelines_content_mathml_desc.php&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=nEtawkDp2ik7MSDKS77XfGZzpD783-bYJrX06GUSa-Q&e= ). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From samanj at pdx.edu Wed Mar 9 09:40:51 2016 From: samanj at pdx.edu (Samantha Johns) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs In-Reply-To: <1a2ce0b2f49a41d390c4182831b76d36@exch06.campus.bath.ac.uk> References: <4b83a366e359424d806eb03295497165@exch06.campus.bath.ac.uk> <00ec01d1798b$5f538860$1dfa9920$@gmail.com> <1a2ce0b2f49a41d390c4182831b76d36@exch06.campus.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hello, Math is a complex area for me, but I do think that any authoring software should be robust and include all accessibility conventions. This is especially important for Universal Design as applies to Instructors, Librarians, and many others authoring content digitally. Most people will not take the time to do an unreasonable amount of steps while authoring material, the more developers build and code for accessibility the better. Have a great day, * * *Samantha Johns* *Accessibility & **Course Support Specialist * Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Emma Cliffe wrote: > > Hello, > > I am not sure what this has to do with MathType? I typed (and edited via > keyboard) the equations directly in the Google Doc (document, not > presentation) via the web interface and using the inbuilt equation editor. > This uses a LaTeX type structured format - similar to typing equations > directly into a Word document. Hence I know that the document contains the > structure of the equation - it is rendered directly so there is almost > certainly a mark up language involved somewhere. > > In fact we can confirm this as the export mechanism for docx format from > Google Docs produces OMML and so the equations are preserved in docx. Since > OMML can be transformed to MathML via stylesheets they do effectively have > the MathML but have chosen not to insert this into the EPub. They also have > the LaTeX like linear format I typed which they have chosen not to retain > in the document to preserve the equation and which they have chosen not to > insert as an alt tag where they are generating images. The images which are > generated could have been SVG which would at least have scaled well. > > The reasons I care: > * I think it is reasonable to expect that text content (equations are > text!) I type into a document is not thrown away without warning when I > export that document to another format (I would expect to see the linear > format even in the .txt export - why not?). These types of lossy > conversions are how we end up with incomplete, inaccessible, poor quality > or unusable scientific or mathematical documents in the first place. Maths > students and staff I work with certainly see equations as text, > particularly if they typed the equation, and they expect tools, > conversions, exports etc. to work with them as if they were text. > > * As Lisa said, if Google using EPub builds widespread buy in or helps to > then I would like that buy in to include scientific and mathematical > content and the tools to appropriately create and render it well for all. > This sort of poor quality output is more likely to build the idea that EPub > is not suitable for this content when in fact it is. > > * Students use Google docs to collaborate on documents including > scientific and mathematical content. This may not be sensible but it tends > to happen (I have done this myself and then wished I could get anything > which wasn't docx out of it). They sometimes then ask how they might export > that document for their own purposes afterwards. Since all the export > formats except docx currently throw away equation content I had hoped that > EPub would provide another option. Now I know I should advise them that > they must store and use docx and then do any transforms they want/need from > there. If they are aiming for an e-book format, for whatever reason, this > adds extra levels of conversion and every conversion of mathematical > content introduces the risk of error. > > I am fully aware of the methods mentioned below and I certainly wouldn't > use Google docs as a formatting engine when creating accessible documents. > However, when the document is already in that format and a student asks how > to independently proceed from there it is helpful to be able to advise > appropriately. > > Best wishes, > Emma > > Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer > University of Bath > > On 08/03/16 22:40, Wink Harner wrote: > > Hi ATHENITES, > > > > Today, I am masquerading as the magic math fairy. Waving my magic wand, > I'm going to bonk on the Google Docs export to EPUB icon.**BING!** Whoops, > Math Type equations have to be cut and pasted into a Google Docs, at which > point they are converted to a GIF file, which all of us know "looks nice" > but is generally inaccessible. Well shoot, I had to put that darn "varela" > away. Bonking my math wand on Google docs just doesn?t work, doggone it > all. > > > > There are a couple of problems in converting to EPUB using Google Docs as > the formatting engine. First of all there are easier ways to create > accessible documents and convert to EPUB format ? Caliber (free) is one > among many applications which does a fine job than using Google Docs as the > formatting engine. Google Docs is a shell program which makes you think you > are working in Microsoft Word when in fact you are not. Which is why > MathType doesn't work as efficiently or at all in this arena. > > > > What really confuses me is why any of us are even considering using EPUB > for math output, when there is such a simple, somewhat direct (simple does > not equal easy or fast!) route to take: if you want it to look nice, leave > it alone in the PDF file. If it needs to be in text-to-speech, run the PDF > through an OCR conversion using Infnty OCR software for the math & either > Abbyy Fine Reader or Omnipage for the text portions, save into a Microsoft > or a tagged PDF file, and for a student who has a reading disability, use > the free CAR reader from Central Washington University, which renders math > nicely in text-to-speech. Or for the student who is blind or visually > impaired, and needs to use a screen reader such as JAWS or NVDA, retype > using MathType. Or, you can convert to LaTex or Nemeth and export to > Braille. The CAR text-to-speech reader is not yet available in the iDevice > world, but it does nicely in the android and the PC World, providing a good > text-to-speech output while simultaneously highlighting the math. This is > good learning support for students who have reading disabilities. > > > > I am really struggling over why we think that every platform ought to > cover every color, shade, and size of disability. Surely, we have learned > enough by now to know that you pick the right tool for the job, not the > other way around. > > > > If you're looking at portability, then by all means make the math look > nice on a small screen. But portability is only applicable as an > accommodation under certain circumstances, for example, a student who > cannot carry all of the books without succumbing to a tipping factor. Or > someone who cannot physically turn the pages would benefit from an > electronic book format. > > > > I have enclosed (below) , a selection from a Google how-to site > specifically regarding formatting math in Google Docs: > > > "There is no built-in equation capability in Google Docs Presentations, > but you can still use MathType to create equations for your presentations. > > 1. In MathType, in the* Size* menu choose* Define*, and set the font > size equal to what you're using in Google Docs. Default font size in Google > Docs presentations is 32pt. > 2. In MathType's *Preferences* menu choose *Web and GIF Preferences*. > Leave everything at its default setting except in the center section, click > to place a checkmark in the box next to *Smooth edges (anti-aliasing)*. > 3. Create your equation and save it to your computer as a GIF image. > Use the *Save* command in the *File *menu for this, being careful to > note where on your computer you saved it (Desktop is convenient). To save > as GIF, when the *Save As* dialog is open, check the* Save as type* > section to make sure it says* Graphics Interchange Format*. > 4. In Google Docs, click the *Insert Image* icon on the toolbar (or > use the menu command), then click *Browse* to find the image on your > computer. When you find it, click *Open*, then back in the *Insert > Image* dialog, click *OK*. > 5. Move the image into position. The size of the equation should be > about right, but if you do need to resize it, drag one of the corners *while > holding down the Shift key*, and it will retain the proper proportion > of the equation." > > Here's the link: > > https://sites.google.com/a/d219.org/pdc/productivity/mathtype > > Note: this method is designed for presentations not necessarily EPUB > export, but it will not render accessible math in any format. It may render > math that will fit on an EPUB page, but that only means it's portable, not > accessible. > > I encourage all of you to please go back to the drawing board and run down > 1. Who is your student?; 2. What is the student's disability?; 3. What is > the student's preferred electronic text? (PDF, text-to-speech, tagged PDF, > LaTex, Nemeth code?; 4. How will they access the text? What equipment or > technology do they have? Once you've answered these questions, the route > your format takes will become evident. Each one is different, and sadly > there is no easy, quick solution for any of this. > > As always, I am open to input and flogging from the listserv > (enlightenment) if my information is not correct. I would love to be > updated if there is in fact a route to math accessibility in Google Docs to > EPUB. > > Respectfully, > > Wink > > Wink Harner > > Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training > > Alternative Text & Media Production > > The Foreigntype > > > > foreigntype@gmail.com > > winkharner1113@gmail.com > > > > (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please > forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu > ] *On Behalf Of *Lisa > Brandt > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:00 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs > > > > Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a > priority. > > > > > > On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns < > samanj@pdx.edu> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this > format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. > > > > I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text > for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt > Text. So that's a plus! > > > *[image: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png]* > > > *Samantha Johns* > > *Accessibility & Course Support Specialist * > > Portland State University > > 1825 SW Broadway > > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe < > E.H.Cliffe@bath.ac.uk> wrote: > > > Hello, > > Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full > test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the > EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images > (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means > that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow > badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. > > This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with > SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 > http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I > didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more > complex structural elements though. > > Best wishes, > Emma Cliffe > > Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer > University of Bath > > > > On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: > > Hello Athen Community, > > > > As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to > Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this > and recommendations? > > > > Have a great day! > > > *[image: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png]* > > > *Samantha Johns* > > *Accessibility & Course Support Specialist * > > Portland State University > > 1825 SW Broadway > > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > -- > > -- > Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services > Accessibility Technician > Alternate Media Formats Technician > SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 > > Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: > access-tech-group@pcc.edu > 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) > > > -- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lisa.brandt1 at pcc.edu Wed Mar 9 09:48:11 2016 From: lisa.brandt1 at pcc.edu (Lisa Brandt) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs In-Reply-To: References: <4b83a366e359424d806eb03295497165@exch06.campus.bath.ac.uk> <00ec01d1798b$5f538860$1dfa9920$@gmail.com> <1a2ce0b2f49a41d390c4182831b76d36@exch06.campus.bath.ac.uk> Message-ID: I think we should all probably be cutting and pasting these messages into Google's "Send Feedback" form. Lisa On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:40:51 -0800, Samantha Johns wrote: > Hello, > > Math is a complex area for me, but I do think that any authoring > software should be robust and include all accessibility conventions. > This is especially important for >Universal Design as applies to > Instructors, Librarians, and many others authoring content digitally. > Most people will not take the time to do an unreasonable amount >of > steps while authoring material, the more developers build and code for > accessibility the better. > Have a great day, > > > > > > > > > Samantha Johns > > Accessibility & Course Support Specialist > Portland State University > 1825 SW Broadway > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Emma Cliffe >> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I am not sure what this has to do with MathType? I typed (and edited >> via keyboard) the equations directly in the Google Doc (document, not >> presentation) via the >>web interface and using the inbuilt equation >> editor. This uses a LaTeX type structured format - similar to typing >> equations directly into a Word document. Hence I >>know that the >> document contains the structure of the equation - it is rendered >> directly so there is almost certainly a mark up language involved >> somewhere. >> In fact we can confirm this as the export mechanism for docx format >> from Google Docs produces OMML and so the equations are preserved in >> docx. Since OMML >>can be transformed to MathML via stylesheets they do >> effectively have the MathML but have chosen not to insert this into the >> EPub. They also have the LaTeX like >>linear format I typed which they >> have chosen not to retain in the document to preserve the equation and >> which they have chosen not to insert as an alt tag where >>they are >> generating images. The images which are generated could have been SVG >> which would at least have scaled well. >> The reasons I care: >> * I think it is reasonable to expect that text content (equations are >> text!) I type into a document is not thrown away without warning when I >> export that document to >>another format (I would expect to see the >> linear format even in the .txt export - why not?). These types of lossy >> conversions are how we end up with incomplete, >>inaccessible, poor >> quality or unusable scientific or mathematical documents in the first >> place. Maths students and staff I work with certainly see equations as >> text, >>particularly if they typed the equation, and they expect tools, >> conversions, exports etc. to work with them as if they were text. >> * As Lisa said, if Google using EPub builds widespread buy in or helps >> to then I would like that buy in to include scientific and mathematical >> content and the tools >>to appropriately create and render it well for >> all. This sort of poor quality output is more likely to build the idea >> that EPub is not suitable for this content when in fact >>it is. >> * Students use Google docs to collaborate on documents including >> scientific and mathematical content. This may not be sensible but it >> tends to happen (I have >>done this myself and then wished I could get >> anything which wasn't docx out of it). They sometimes then ask how they >> might export that document for their own >>purposes afterwards. Since >> all the export formats except docx currently throw away equation >> content I had hoped that EPub would provide another option. Now I >> >>know I should advise them that they must store and use docx and then >> do any transforms they want/need from there. If they are aiming for an >> e-book format, for >>whatever reason, this adds extra levels of >> conversion and every conversion of mathematical content introduces the >> risk of error. >> I am fully aware of the methods mentioned below and I certainly >> wouldn't use Google docs as a formatting engine when creating >> accessible documents. However, >>when the document is already in that >> format and a student asks how to independently proceed from there it is >> helpful to be able to advise appropriately. >> Best wishes, >> Emma >> >> Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer >> University of Bath >> >> On 08/03/16 22:40, Wink Harner wrote: >>> >>> Hi ATHENITES, >>> >>> >>> Today, I am masquerading as the magic math fairy. Waving my magic >>> wand, I'm going to bonk on the Google Docs export to EPUB >>> >>>icon.**BING!** Whoops, Math Type equations have to be cut and >>> pasted into a Google Docs, at which point they are converted to a >>> >>>GIF file, which all of us know "looks nice" but is generally >>> inaccessible. Well shoot, I had to put that darn "varela" away. >>> Bonking my >>>math wand on Google docs just doesn?t work, doggone it >>> all. >>> >>> There are a couple of problems in converting to EPUB using Google Docs >>> as the formatting engine. First of all there are easier ways to >>> >>>create accessible documents and convert to EPUB format ? Caliber >>> (free) is one among many applications which does a fine job than >>> >>>using Google Docs as the formatting engine. Google Docs is a shell >>> program which makes you think you are working in Microsoft >>>Word >>> when in fact you are not. Which is why MathType doesn't work as >>> efficiently or at all in this arena. >>> >>> What really confuses me is why any of us are even considering using >>> EPUB for math output, when there is such a simple, somewhat >>>direct >>> (simple does not equal easy or fast!) route to take: if you want it to >>> look nice, leave it alone in the PDF file. If it needs to be in >>> >>>text-to-speech, run the PDF through an OCR conversion using Infnty >>> OCR software for the math & either Abbyy Fine Reader or >>>Omnipage >>> for the text portions, save into a Microsoft or a tagged PDF file, and >>> for a student who has a reading disability, use the free >>>CAR reader >>> from Central Washington University, which renders math nicely in >>> text-to-speech. Or for the student who is blind or >>>visually >>> impaired, and needs to use a screen reader such as JAWS or NVDA, >>> retype using MathType. Or, you can convert to LaTex or >>>Nemeth and >>> export to Braille. The CAR text-to-speech reader is not yet available >>> in the iDevice world, but it does nicely in the android >>>and the PC >>> World, providing a good text-to-speech output while simultaneously >>> highlighting the math. This is good learning support >>>for students >>> who have reading disabilities. >>> >>> >>> I am really struggling over why we think that every platform ought to >>> cover every color, shade, and size of disability. Surely, we have >>> >>>learned enough by now to know that you pick the right tool for the >>> job, not the other way around. >>> >>> >>> If you're looking at portability, then by all means make the math look >>> nice on a small screen. But portability is only applicable as an >>> >>>accommodation under certain circumstances, for example, a student >>> who cannot carry all of the books without succumbing to a >>>tipping >>> factor. Or someone who cannot physically turn the pages would benefit >>> from an electronic book format. >>> >>> I have enclosed (below) , a selection from a Google how-to site >>> specifically regarding formatting math in Google Docs: >>> >>>"There is no built-in equation capability in Google Docs >>> Presentations, but you can still use MathType to create equations for >>> your >>>presentations. >>> In MathType, in the Size menu choose Define, and set the font size >>> equal to what you're using in Google Docs. Default font size in Google >>> >>>Docs presentations is 32pt.In MathType's Preferences menu choose >>> Web and GIF Preferences. Leave everything at its default setting >>> except in the center section, >>>click to place a checkmark in the box >>> next to Smooth edges (anti-aliasing).Create your equation and save it >>> to your computer as a GIF image. Use the Save command in the File menu >>> for this, being careful to note >>>where on your computer you saved it >>> (Desktop is convenient). To save as GIF, when the Save As dialog is >>> open, check the Save as type >>>section to make sure it says Graphics >>> Interchange Format.In Google Docs, click the Insert Image icon on the >>> toolbar (or use the menu command), then click Browse to find the image >>> on your >>>computer. When you find it, click Open, then back in the >>> Insert Image dialog, click OK.Move the image into position. The size >>> of the equation should be about right, but if you do need to resize >>> it, drag one of the corners while >>>holding down the Shift key, and >>> it will retain the proper proportion of the equation." >>> Here's the link: >>> https://sites.google.com/a/d219.org/pdc/productivity/mathtype >>> >>> Note: this method is designed for presentations not necessarily EPUB >>> export, but it will not render accessible math in any format. It >>> >>>may render math that will fit on an EPUB page, but that only means >>> it's portable, not accessible. >>> >>> I encourage all of you to please go back to the drawing board and run >>> down 1. Who is your student?; 2. What is the student's >>>disability?; >>> 3. What is the student's preferred electronic text? (PDF, >>> text-to-speech, tagged PDF, LaTex, Nemeth code?; 4. How will >>>they >>> access the text? What equipment or technology do they have? Once >>> you've answered these questions, the route your format >>>takes will >>> become evident. Each one is different, and sadly there is no easy, >>> quick solution for any of this. >>> As always, I am open to input and flogging from the listserv >>> (enlightenment) if my information is not correct. I would love to be >>> >>>updated if there is in fact a route to math accessibility in Google >>> Docs to EPUB. >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> >>> Wink >>> >>> Wink Harner >>> >>> Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training >>> >>> Alternative Text & Media Production >>> >>> The Foreigntype >>> >>> >>> foreigntype@gmail.com >>> >>> winkharner1113@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. >>> Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: athen-list >>> [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of >>> Lisa Brandt >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:00 PM >>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns >>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs >>> >>> >>> Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make >>> that a priority. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to >>>> this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support >>>> >>>>math equations. >>>> >>>> >>>> I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt >>>> text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and >>>> >>>>read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Samantha Johns >>>> >>>> Accessibility & Course Support Specialist >>>> Portland State University >>>> >>>> 1825 SW Broadway >>>> >>>> Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 >>>> Portland OR 97201 >>>> (503) 725-2754 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have >>>> full test software here at home but from what I could see from >>>> >>>>unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations >>>> are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without >>>> >>>>alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well >>>> (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to >>>> be read >>>>aloud. >>>> This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML >>>> with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 >>>> http://www.idpf.org/>>>>accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). >>>> I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other >>>> more complex >>>>structural elements though. >>>> Best wishes, >>>> Emma Cliffe >>>> >>>> Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer >>>> University of Bath >>>> >>>> >>>> On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Athen Community, >>>>> >>>>> As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to >>>>> export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think >>>>>about >>>>> the benefits of this and recommendations? >>>>> >>>>> Have a great day! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Samantha Johns >>>>> >>>>> Accessibility & Course Support Specialist >>>>> Portland State University >>>>> >>>>> 1825 SW Broadway >>>>> >>>>> Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 >>>>> Portland OR 97201 >>>>> (503) 725-2754 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> athen-list mailing list >>>> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >>>> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>> -- >>> Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services >>> Accessibility Technician >>> Alternate Media Formats Technician >>> SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 >>> >>> Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: >>> access-tech-group@pcc.edu >>> 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) >> >> -- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The initial conversation with the student is a powerful tool in acquiring the information necessary for decision-making and often sets the tone for the student's perception of the disability resource office. In this session, the facilitators will discuss strategies and provide a model for the student interview process that uses self-report, professional judgment, and third-party documentation to focus on barrier removal in physical and virtual environments and create a campus culture of access and inclusion. Audience: All Cost for ATHEN Members to attend this and any of the other AHEAD Webinar sessions (http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/at_webinars_15_16 or http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/webinars) is the same as AHEAD members. When registering for the webinar, choose the option for "I qualify for AHEAD member rates" to get your discount! We hope you take advantage of this benefit! 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From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lisa Brandt Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 9:48 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs I think we should all probably be cutting and pasting these messages into Google's "Send Feedback" form. Lisa On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:40:51 -0800, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello, Math is a complex area for me, but I do think that any authoring software should be robust and include all accessibility conventions. This is especially important for Universal Design as applies to Instructors, Librarians, and many others authoring content digitally. Most people will not take the time to do an unreasonable amount of steps while authoring material, the more developers build and code for accessibility the better. Have a great day, Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Emma Cliffe wrote: Hello, I am not sure what this has to do with MathType? I typed (and edited via keyboard) the equations directly in the Google Doc (document, not presentation) via the web interface and using the inbuilt equation editor. This uses a LaTeX type structured format - similar to typing equations directly into a Word document. Hence I know that the document contains the structure of the equation - it is rendered directly so there is almost certainly a mark up language involved somewhere. In fact we can confirm this as the export mechanism for docx format from Google Docs produces OMML and so the equations are preserved in docx. Since OMML can be transformed to MathML via stylesheets they do effectively have the MathML but have chosen not to insert this into the EPub. They also have the LaTeX like linear format I typed which they have chosen not to retain in the document to preserve the equation and which they have chosen not to insert as an alt tag where they are generating images. The images which are generated could have been SVG which would at least have scaled well. The reasons I care: * I think it is reasonable to expect that text content (equations are text!) I type into a document is not thrown away without warning when I export that document to another format (I would expect to see the linear format even in the .txt export - why not?). These types of lossy conversions are how we end up with incomplete, inaccessible, poor quality or unusable scientific or mathematical documents in the first place. Maths students and staff I work with certainly see equations as text, particularly if they typed the equation, and they expect tools, conversions, exports etc. to work with them as if they were text. * As Lisa said, if Google using EPub builds widespread buy in or helps to then I would like that buy in to include scientific and mathematical content and the tools to appropriately create and render it well for all. This sort of poor quality output is more likely to build the idea that EPub is not suitable for this content when in fact it is. * Students use Google docs to collaborate on documents including scientific and mathematical content. This may not be sensible but it tends to happen (I have done this myself and then wished I could get anything which wasn't docx out of it). They sometimes then ask how they might export that document for their own purposes afterwards. Since all the export formats except docx currently throw away equation content I had hoped that EPub would provide another option. Now I know I should advise them that they must store and use docx and then do any transforms they want/need from there. If they are aiming for an e-book format, for whatever reason, this adds extra levels of conversion and every conversion of mathematical content introduces the risk of error. I am fully aware of the methods mentioned below and I certainly wouldn't use Google docs as a formatting engine when creating accessible documents. However, when the document is already in that format and a student asks how to independently proceed from there it is helpful to be able to advise appropriately. Best wishes, Emma Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 22:40, Wink Harner wrote: Hi ATHENITES, Today, I am masquerading as the magic math fairy. Waving my magic wand, I'm going to bonk on the Google Docs export to EPUB icon.**BING!** Whoops, Math Type equations have to be cut and pasted into a Google Docs, at which point they are converted to a GIF file, which all of us know "looks nice" but is generally inaccessible. Well shoot, I had to put that darn "varela" away. Bonking my math wand on Google docs just doesn?t work, doggone it all. There are a couple of problems in converting to EPUB using Google Docs as the formatting engine. First of all there are easier ways to create accessible documents and convert to EPUB format ? Caliber (free) is one among many applications which does a fine job than using Google Docs as the formatting engine. Google Docs is a shell program which makes you think you are working in Microsoft Word when in fact you are not. Which is why MathType doesn't work as efficiently or at all in this arena. What really confuses me is why any of us are even considering using EPUB for math output, when there is such a simple, somewhat direct (simple does not equal easy or fast!) route to take: if you want it to look nice, leave it alone in the PDF file. If it needs to be in text-to-speech, run the PDF through an OCR conversion using Infnty OCR software for the math & either Abbyy Fine Reader or Omnipage for the text portions, save into a Microsoft or a tagged PDF file, and for a student who has a reading disability, use the free CAR reader from Central Washington University, which renders math nicely in text-to-speech. Or for the student who is blind or visually impaired, and needs to use a screen reader such as JAWS or NVDA, retype using MathType. Or, you can convert to LaTex or Nemeth and export to Braille. The CAR text-to-speech reader is not yet available in the iDevice world, but it does nicely in the android and the PC World, providing a good text-to-speech output while simultaneously highlighting the math. This is good learning support for students who have reading disabilities. I am really struggling over why we think that every platform ought to cover every color, shade, and size of disability. Surely, we have learned enough by now to know that you pick the right tool for the job, not the other way around. If you're looking at portability, then by all means make the math look nice on a small screen. But portability is only applicable as an accommodation under certain circumstances, for example, a student who cannot carry all of the books without succumbing to a tipping factor. Or someone who cannot physically turn the pages would benefit from an electronic book format. I have enclosed (below) , a selection from a Google how-to site specifically regarding formatting math in Google Docs: "There is no built-in equation capability in Google Docs Presentations, but you can still use MathType to create equations for your presentations. 1. In MathType, in the Size menu choose Define, and set the font size equal to what you're using in Google Docs. Default font size in Google Docs presentations is 32pt. 2. In MathType's Preferences menu choose Web and GIF Preferences. Leave everything at its default setting except in the center section, click to place a checkmark in the box next to Smooth edges (anti-aliasing). 3. Create your equation and save it to your computer as a GIF image. Use the Save command in the File menu for this, being careful to note where on your computer you saved it (Desktop is convenient). To save as GIF, when the Save As dialog is open, check the Save as type section to make sure it says Graphics Interchange Format. 4. In Google Docs, click the Insert Image icon on the toolbar (or use the menu command), then click Browse to find the image on your computer. When you find it, click Open, then back in the Insert Image dialog, click OK. 5. Move the image into position. The size of the equation should be about right, but if you do need to resize it, drag one of the corners while holding down the Shift key, and it will retain the proper proportion of the equation." Here's the link: https://sites.google.com/a/d219.org/pdc/productivity/mathtype Note: this method is designed for presentations not necessarily EPUB export, but it will not render accessible math in any format. It may render math that will fit on an EPUB page, but that only means it's portable, not accessible. I encourage all of you to please go back to the drawing board and run down 1. Who is your student?; 2. What is the student's disability?; 3. What is the student's preferred electronic text? (PDF, text-to-speech, tagged PDF, LaTex, Nemeth code?; 4. How will they access the text? What equipment or technology do they have? Once you've answered these questions, the route your format takes will become evident. Each one is different, and sadly there is no easy, quick solution for any of this. As always, I am open to input and flogging from the listserv (enlightenment) if my information is not correct. I would love to be updated if there is in fact a route to math accessibility in Google Docs to EPUB. Respectfully, Wink Wink Harner Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training Alternative Text & Media Production The Foreigntype foreigntype@gmail.com winkharner1113@gmail.com (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lisa Brandt Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:00 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! 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Will also serve as a liaison with Student Disability Services, IS&T, Office of General Counsel, Human Resources, and Office of Digital Learning with regard to IT accessibility requests and coordinating related MIT ADA compliance. Characteristic Duties: * Manage the Accessibility and Usability team * Coordinate IT-related accommodations for individuals with Student Disability Services or HR Disability Services by making decisions regarding what hardware, software, accessibility reviews, redevelopment, or remediation of IT is required * Lead and manage accessible course materials acquisition and delivery services for MIT students. * Lead accessibility consulting, design and code checks, reviews, and tool evaluations * Oversee and participate in data gathering projects to assess user characteristics, requirements, needs, goals, and opportunities related the products and services * Research new trends in policy, mandates, processes, testing tools, and trends to incorporate accessibility and usability into existing and developing Institute processes * Provide education and outreach on accessibility and usability best practices to the MIT community Requirements: * Master?s degree in computer science or information systems * Five years of relevant accessibility and usability work experience * Experience leading and managing teams * Thorough knowledge of the federal disability mandates and other relevant laws and guidance (Section 504, ADA Title III, TEACH Act) applicable to technology accessibility and tools provided in higher education * Knowledge and understanding of the W3C WAI WCAG 2.0 Standards and industry usability standards and methodologies * Deep working knowledge of the scope of available assistive technologies and how they interact with web, desktop, and mobile products and services * Ability to readily adapt to changing demands and needs of the MIT community and to effectively handle and prioritize competing demands * Excellent time management and organizational skills Interested candidates may apply online at http://jobs.mit.edu/. Please reference job number 13181 and indicate where you saw this posting. MIT is an equal employment opportunity employer. All qualified applicants will receive consideration for employment and will not be discriminated against on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, veteran status, or disability. ? Mary J. Ziegler Program Manager for Online Accessibility MIT Office of Digital Learning maryz@mit.edu 617-258-9328 From cynthia.sarver at stthomas.edu Wed Mar 9 12:54:43 2016 From: cynthia.sarver at stthomas.edu (Sarver, Cynthia A.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Text in marketing images Message-ID: Hello, We are ramping up an accessibility initiative at UST and are in the process of examining our public-facing websites, as well as instructional content. I know that many of you are farther along this path than we and am hoping you can share your expertise. Specifically we have a question about how to deal with largely decorative images on, say, department home pages that may also contain a text overlay (such as a marketing slogan) that is also part of the image. We are thinking that this problem cannot be unique to us and are wondering how others have corrected this issue in light of accessibility. Thanks in advance, --Cynthia Cynthia Sarver, M.E.T., Ph.D. Accessibility Specialist/Instructional Designer Center for Faculty Development AQU 311 | Mail 4034 University of St. Thomas St. Paul, MN 55105-1078 Phone: 651-962-6015 E-mail: cynthia.sarver@stthomas.edu Twitter: @cynthiasarver -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 2:01 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 122, Issue 6 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Epub Format in Google Docs (Emma Cliffe) 2. Re: Epub Format in Google Docs (Samantha Johns) 3. Re: Epub Format in Google Docs (Lisa Brandt) 4. Re: Epub Format in Google Docs (Samantha Johns) 5. Re: Epub Format in Google Docs (Wink Harner) 6. MathType problem (Robert Beach) 7. Re: Epub Format in Google Docs (Emma Cliffe) 8. Re: MathType problem (steve.noble@louisville.edu) 9. Re: MathType problem (Robert Beach) 10. Re: MathType problem (Mark C. Mintz) 11. Re: MathType problem (Todd Schwanke) 12. Re: Epub Format in Google Docs (Samantha Johns) 13. Re: Epub Format in Google Docs (Lisa Brandt) 14. AHEAD/ATHEN Webinar March 15th - Discount Available! (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)) 15. Re: Epub Format in Google Docs (Wink Harner) 16. Job Posting Announcement: MIT Associate Dean, Accessibility and Usability (Mary J Ziegler) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 20:35:24 +0000 From: Emma Cliffe To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Message-ID: <4b83a366e359424d806eb03295497165@exch06.campus.bath.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800 From: Samantha Johns To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! * * *Samantha Johns* *Accessibility & **Course Support Specialist * Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe wrote: > > Hello, > > Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full > test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the > EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images > (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means > that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow > badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. > > This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with > SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 > http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I > didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more > complex structural elements though. > > Best wishes, > Emma Cliffe > > Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer > University of Bath > > > On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: > > Hello Athen Community, > > As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to > Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this > and recommendations? > > Have a great day! > > > * * > > *Samantha Johns* > > *Accessibility & **Course Support Specialist * > > Portland State University > 1825 SW Broadway > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > > -- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:59:31 -0800 From: "Lisa Brandt" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" ,"Samantha Johns" Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns wrote: > Hello, > Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this > format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math > >equations. > > I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt > text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read > the Alt Text. >So that's a plus! > > > > > Samantha Johns > > Accessibility & Course Support Specialist > Portland State University > 1825 SW Broadway > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe >> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full >> test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the >> EPub >>and looking at the source code the equations are stored as >> images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. >> This means that the >>images won't scale well (may also align badly and >> will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. >> This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML >> with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 >> http://www.idpf.org/>>accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). >> I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other >> more complex structural >>elements though. >> Best wishes, >> Emma Cliffe >> >> Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer >> University of Bath >> >> >> On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: >>> Hello Athen Community, >>> As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export >>> to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the >>>benefits >>> of this and recommendations? >>> Have a great day! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Samantha Johns >>> >>> Accessibility & Course Support Specialist >>> Portland State University >>> 1825 SW Broadway >>> Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 >>> Portland OR 97201 >>> (503) 725-2754 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> -- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 14:31:37 -0800 From: Samantha Johns To: Lisa Brandt Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello Lisa, Yes I hope they make that a priority as well. * * *Samantha Johns* *Accessibility & **Course Support Specialist * Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lisa Brandt wrote: > Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a > priority. > > > On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns wrote: > > Hello, > > Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this > format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. > > I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text > for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt > Text. So that's a plus! > > > * * > > *Samantha Johns* > > *Accessibility & **Course Support Specialist * > > Portland State University > 1825 SW Broadway > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe > wrote: > >> >> Hello, >> >> Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full >> test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the >> EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images >> (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means >> that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow >> badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. >> >> This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with >> SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 >> http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I >> didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more >> complex structural elements though. >> >> Best wishes, >> Emma Cliffe >> >> Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer >> University of Bath >> >> >> On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: >> >> Hello Athen Community, >> >> As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to >> Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this >> and recommendations? >> >> Have a great day! >> >> >> * * >> >> *Samantha Johns* >> >> *Accessibility & **Course Support Specialist * >> >> Portland State University >> 1825 SW Broadway >> Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 >> Portland OR 97201 >> (503) 725-2754 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> > > > > -- > -- > Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services > Accessibility Technician > Alternate Media Formats Technician > SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 > > Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: > access-tech-group@pcc.edu > 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 14:39:26 -0800 From: "Wink Harner" To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Message-ID: <00ec01d1798b$5f538860$1dfa9920$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi ATHENITES, Today, I am masquerading as the magic math fairy. Waving my magic wand, I'm going to bonk on the Google Docs export to EPUB icon.**BING!** Whoops, Math Type equations have to be cut and pasted into a Google Docs, at which point they are converted to a GIF file, which all of us know "looks nice" but is generally inaccessible. Well shoot, I had to put that darn "varela" away. Bonking my math wand on Google docs just doesn't work, doggone it all. There are a couple of problems in converting to EPUB using Google Docs as the formatting engine. First of all there are easier ways to create accessible documents and convert to EPUB format - Caliber (free) is one among many applications which does a fine job than using Google Docs as the formatting engine. Google Docs is a shell program which makes you think you are working in Microsoft Word when in fact you are not. Which is why MathType doesn't work as efficiently or at all in this arena. What really confuses me is why any of us are even considering using EPUB for math output, when there is such a simple, somewhat direct (simple does not equal easy or fast!) route to take: if you want it to look nice, leave it alone in the PDF file. If it needs to be in text-to-speech, run the PDF through an OCR conversion using Infnty OCR software for the math & either Abbyy Fine Reader or Omnipage for the text portions, save into a Microsoft or a tagged PDF file, and for a student who has a reading disability, use the free CAR reader from Central Washington University, which renders math nicely in text-to-speech. Or for the student who is blind or visually impaired, and needs to use a screen reader such as JAWS or NVDA, retype using MathType. Or, you can convert to LaTex or Nemeth and export to Braille. The CAR text-to-speech reader is not yet available in the iDevice world, but it does nicely in the android and the PC World, providing a good text-to-speech output while simultaneously highlighting the math. This is good learning support for students who have reading disabilities. I am really struggling over why we think that every platform ought to cover every color, shade, and size of disability. Surely, we have learned enough by now to know that you pick the right tool for the job, not the other way around. If you're looking at portability, then by all means make the math look nice on a small screen. But portability is only applicable as an accommodation under certain circumstances, for example, a student who cannot carry all of the books without succumbing to a tipping factor. Or someone who cannot physically turn the pages would benefit from an electronic book format. I have enclosed (below) , a selection from a Google how-to site specifically regarding formatting math in Google Docs: "There is no built-in equation capability in Google Docs Presentations, but you can still use MathType to create equations for your presentations. 1.In MathType, in the Size menu choose Define, and set the font size equal to what you're using in Google Docs. Default font size in Google Docs presentations is 32pt. 2.In MathType's Preferences menu choose Web and GIF Preferences. Leave everything at its default setting except in the center section, click to place a checkmark in the box next to Smooth edges (anti-aliasing). 3.Create your equation and save it to your computer as a GIF image. Use the Save command in the File menu for this, being careful to note where on your computer you saved it (Desktop is convenient). To save as GIF, when the Save As dialog is open, check the Save as type section to make sure it says Graphics Interchange Format. 4.In Google Docs, click the Insert Image icon on the toolbar (or use the menu command), then click Browse to find the image on your computer. When you find it, click Open, then back in the Insert Image dialog, click OK. 5.Move the image into position. The size of the equation should be about right, but if you do need to resize it, drag one of the corners while holding down the Shift key, and it will retain the proper proportion of the equation." Here's the link: https://sites.google.com/a/d219.org/pdc/productivity/mathtype Note: this method is designed for presentations not necessarily EPUB export, but it will not render accessible math in any format. It may render math that will fit on an EPUB page, but that only means it's portable, not accessible. I encourage all of you to please go back to the drawing board and run down 1. Who is your student?; 2. What is the student's disability?; 3. What is the student's preferred electronic text? (PDF, text-to-speech, tagged PDF, LaTex, Nemeth code.; 4. How will they access the text? What equipment or technology do they have? Once you've answered these questions, the route your format takes will become evident. Each one is different, and sadly there is no easy, quick solution for any of this. As always, I am open to input and flogging from the listserv (enlightenment) if my information is not correct. I would love to be updated if there is in fact a route to math accessibility in Google Docs to EPUB. Respectfully, Wink Wink Harner Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training Alternative Text & Media Production The Foreigntype foreigntype@gmail.com winkharner1113@gmail.com (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lisa Brandt Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:00 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns < samanj@pdx.edu> wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe < E.H.Cliffe@bath.ac.uk> wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? 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Can anybody give me an idea what to try? I really need to get this going before Thursday since the student has a test Friday and I need to convert it as well as this review sheet. Thanks all! ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Samantha Johns [samanj@pdx.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:31 PM To: Lisa Brandt Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Hello Lisa, Yes I hope they make that a priority as well. [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lisa Brandt > wrote: Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns > wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe > wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 12:11:57 +0000 From: Emma Cliffe To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Message-ID: <1a2ce0b2f49a41d390c4182831b76d36@exch06.campus.bath.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Hello, I am not sure what this has to do with MathType? I typed (and edited via keyboard) the equations directly in the Google Doc (document, not presentation) via the web interface and using the inbuilt equation editor. This uses a LaTeX type structured format - similar to typing equations directly into a Word document. Hence I know that the document contains the structure of the equation - it is rendered directly so there is almost certainly a mark up language involved somewhere. In fact we can confirm this as the export mechanism for docx format from Google Docs produces OMML and so the equations are preserved in docx. Since OMML can be transformed to MathML via stylesheets they do effectively have the MathML but have chosen not to insert this into the EPub. They also have the LaTeX like linear format I typed which they have chosen not to retain in the document to preserve the equation and which they have chosen not to insert as an alt tag where they are generating images. The images which are generated could have been SVG which would at least have scaled well. The reasons I care: * I think it is reasonable to expect that text content (equations are text!) I type into a document is not thrown away without warning when I export that document to another format (I would expect to see the linear format even in the .txt export - why not?). These types of lossy conversions are how we end up with incomplete, inaccessible, poor quality or unusable scientific or mathematical documents in the first place. Maths students and staff I work with certainly see equations as text, particularly if they typed the equation, and they expect tools, conversions, exports etc. to work with them as if they were text. * As Lisa said, if Google using EPub builds widespread buy in or helps to then I would like that buy in to include scientific and mathematical content and the tools to appropriately create and render it well for all. This sort of poor quality output is more likely to build the idea that EPub is not suitable for this content when in fact it is. * Students use Google docs to collaborate on documents including scientific and mathematical content. This may not be sensible but it tends to happen (I have done this myself and then wished I could get anything which wasn't docx out of it). They sometimes then ask how they might export that document for their own purposes afterwards. Since all the export formats except docx currently throw away equation content I had hoped that EPub would provide another option. Now I know I should advise them that they must store and use docx and then do any transforms they want/need from there. If they are aiming for an e-book format, for whatever reason, this adds extra levels of conversion and every conversion of mathematical content introduces the risk of error. I am fully aware of the methods mentioned below and I certainly wouldn't use Google docs as a formatting engine when creating accessible documents. However, when the document is already in that format and a student asks how to independently proceed from there it is helpful to be able to advise appropriately. Best wishes, Emma Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 22:40, Wink Harner wrote: Hi ATHENITES, Today, I am masquerading as the magic math fairy. Waving my magic wand, I'm going to bonk on the Google Docs export to EPUB icon.**BING!** Whoops, Math Type equations have to be cut and pasted into a Google Docs, at which point they are converted to a GIF file, which all of us know "looks nice" but is generally inaccessible. Well shoot, I had to put that darn "varela" away. Bonking my math wand on Google docs just doesn?t work, doggone it all. There are a couple of problems in converting to EPUB using Google Docs as the formatting engine. First of all there are easier ways to create accessible documents and convert to EPUB format ? Caliber (free) is one among many applications which does a fine job than using Google Docs as the formatting engine. Google Docs is a shell program which makes you think you are working in Microsoft Word when in fact you are not. Which is why MathType doesn't work as efficiently or at all in this arena. What really confuses me is why any of us are even considering using EPUB for math output, when there is such a simple, somewhat direct (simple does not equal easy or fast!) route to take: if you want it to look nice, leave it alone in the PDF file. If it needs to be in text-to-speech, run the PDF through an OCR conversion using Infnty OCR software for the math & either Abbyy Fine Reader or Omnipage for the text portions, save into a Microsoft or a tagged PDF file, and for a student who has a reading disability, use the free CAR reader from Central Washington University, which renders math nicely in text-to-speech. Or for the student who is blind or visually impaired, and needs to use a screen reader such as JAWS or NVDA, retype using MathType. Or, you can convert to LaTex or Nemeth and export to Braille. The CAR text-to-speech reader is not yet available in the iDevice world, but it does nicely in the android and the PC World, providing a good text-to-speech output while sim! ultaneously highlighting the math. This is good learning support for students who have reading disabilities. I am really struggling over why we think that every platform ought to cover every color, shade, and size of disability. Surely, we have learned enough by now to know that you pick the right tool for the job, not the other way around. If you're looking at portability, then by all means make the math look nice on a small screen. But portability is only applicable as an accommodation under certain circumstances, for example, a student who cannot carry all of the books without succumbing to a tipping factor. Or someone who cannot physically turn the pages would benefit from an electronic book format. I have enclosed (below) , a selection from a Google how-to site specifically regarding formatting math in Google Docs: "There is no built-in equation capability in Google Docs Presentations, but you can still use MathType to create equations for your presentations. 1. In MathType, in the Size menu choose Define, and set the font size equal to what you're using in Google Docs. Default font size in Google Docs presentations is 32pt. 2. In MathType's Preferences menu choose Web and GIF Preferences. Leave everything at its default setting except in the center section, click to place a checkmark in the box next to Smooth edges (anti-aliasing). 3. Create your equation and save it to your computer as a GIF image. Use the Save command in the File menu for this, being careful to note where on your computer you saved it (Desktop is convenient). To save as GIF, when the Save As dialog is open, check the Save as type section to make sure it says Graphics Interchange Format. 4. In Google Docs, click the Insert Image icon on the toolbar (or use the menu command), then click Browse to find the image on your computer. When you find it, click Open, then back in the Insert Image dialog, click OK. 5. Move the image into position. The size of the equation should be about right, but if you do need to resize it, drag one of the corners while holding down the Shift key, and it will retain the proper proportion of the equation." Here's the link: https://sites.google.com/a/d219.org/pdc/productivity/mathtype Note: this method is designed for presentations not necessarily EPUB export, but it will not render accessible math in any format. It may render math that will fit on an EPUB page, but that only means it's portable, not accessible. I encourage all of you to please go back to the drawing board and run down 1. Who is your student?; 2. What is the student's disability?; 3. What is the student's preferred electronic text? (PDF, text-to-speech, tagged PDF, LaTex, Nemeth code?; 4. How will they access the text? What equipment or technology do they have? Once you've answered these questions, the route your format takes will become evident. Each one is different, and sadly there is no easy, quick solution for any of this. As always, I am open to input and flogging from the listserv (enlightenment) if my information is not correct. I would love to be updated if there is in fact a route to math accessibility in Google Docs to EPUB. Respectfully, Wink Wink Harner Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training Alternative Text & Media Production The Foreigntype foreigntype@gmail.com winkharner1113@gmail.com (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lisa Brandt Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:00 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns <samanj@pdx.edu> wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe <E.H.Cliffe@bath.ac.uk> wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! 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URL: ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 12:55:45 +0000 From: steve.noble@louisville.edu To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, the most obvious first step is to be sure that both MathType and Duxbury are installed on the same machine, according to http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_math.asp: "If MathType is not loaded on the same computer as DBT, then as DBT imports a Word document containing MathType material, an error message shows up in the DBT file at the location of each piece of mathematical notation in the file." Other than that, there were a number of MathType conversion errors that were fixed in Duxbury 11.3, according to this page: http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbtwhst.asp You might try contacting caryn@duxsys.com or someone else on their support team. Since I don't really use DBT at a personal level, I cannot speak to other possible issues relating to that software. Hope that helps... --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Robert Beach [rbeach@KCKCC.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 10:11 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] MathType problem Hey all, I have a MathType error that I can't figure out. My intern created a math review sheet in Word 2010 using MathType 6.9B. In the past, I was able to open the Word document into Duxbury and convert the math problems without too much trouble. However, this document gives errors on all of the math problems, but the text translates correctly. I tried it on Duxbury 11.1 (at work) and Duxbury 11.2 (at home). With Duxbury 11.1, I get an error that the file is an unsupported format and it doesn't open. At home the document opens but as I said all problems translate into errors. Can anybody give me an idea what to try? I really need to get this going before Thursday since the student has a test Friday and I need to convert it as well as this review sheet. Thanks all! ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Samantha Johns [samanj@pdx.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:31 PM To: Lisa Brandt Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Hello Lisa, Yes I hope they make that a priority as well. [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lisa Brandt > wrote: Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns > wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe > wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.idpf.org_accessibility_guidelines_content_mathml_desc.php&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=nEtawkDp2ik7MSDKS77XfGZzpD783-bYJrX06GUSa-Q&e= ). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 15:01:48 +0000 From: Robert Beach To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A2187@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Steve, Yes, Duxbury is installed on the same machine as Math Type. This system has worked before with producing math content in braille. The only thing that has changed is the machine the Word document was originally created on crashed and had to have a new drive installed. I reinstalled math type on the machine and things seem to be fine. But, when pulling the Word doc that was created on that machine into Duxbury on my machine, I got the math type errors. I brought the file home and tried it on my own personal machine, again with both Math Type and Duxbury installed, and got basically the same results. Thanks for the suggestions. I'll give the links you provided a look over to see if I'm missing something. ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of steve.noble@louisville.edu [steve.noble@louisville.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 6:55 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Well, the most obvious first step is to be sure that both MathType and Duxbury are installed on the same machine, according to http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_math.asp: "If MathType is not loaded on the same computer as DBT, then as DBT imports a Word document containing MathType material, an error message shows up in the DBT file at the location of each piece of mathematical notation in the file." Other than that, there were a number of MathType conversion errors that were fixed in Duxbury 11.3, according to this page: http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbtwhst.asp You might try contacting caryn@duxsys.com or someone else on their support team. Since I don't really use DBT at a personal level, I cannot speak to other possible issues relating to that software. Hope that helps... --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Robert Beach [rbeach@KCKCC.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 10:11 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] MathType problem Hey all, I have a MathType error that I can't figure out. My intern created a math review sheet in Word 2010 using MathType 6.9B. In the past, I was able to open the Word document into Duxbury and convert the math problems without too much trouble. However, this document gives errors on all of the math problems, but the text translates correctly. I tried it on Duxbury 11.1 (at work) and Duxbury 11.2 (at home). With Duxbury 11.1, I get an error that the file is an unsupported format and it doesn't open. At home the document opens but as I said all problems translate into errors. Can anybody give me an idea what to try? I really need to get this going before Thursday since the student has a test Friday and I need to convert it as well as this review sheet. Thanks all! ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Samantha Johns [samanj@pdx.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:31 PM To: Lisa Brandt Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Hello Lisa, Yes I hope they make that a priority as well. [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lisa Brandt > wrote: Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns > wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe > wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.idpf.org_accessibility_guidelines_content_mathml_desc.php&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=nEtawkDp2ik7MSDKS77XfGZzpD783-bYJrX06GUSa-Q&e= ). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 15:51:45 +0000 From: "Mark C. Mintz" To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Robert, Is it the error that puts "[MATHTYPE TRANSLATION ERROR]" or something like that instead of the equation? Though I'm not really sure all of the reason behind it, I've found it is usually the caused by rogue spaces in the mathtype. My student worker sometimes causes this by copying from the original pdf and pasting into mathtype then fix the formatting. Usually I can fix it by arrowing through the whole equation to find the space. If that doesn't work, you can tell which equations are having issues, so recreate those equations manually. I'm pretty sure the problem is a character in the math that Duxbury just can't figure out what to do with, and instead of ignoring (as most programs would) it throws an error, which is good because then you know something will be wonky with the braille if you create it as is. Lately I've also started looking at the latex (Toggle TeX in the mathtype tab) to troubleshoot. You can usually tell if something looks wrong. Good luck, Mark Mintz Alt Media Specialist Pasadena City College Room D201A 626-585-7107 X7107 -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 7:02 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Hello Steve, Yes, Duxbury is installed on the same machine as Math Type. This system has worked before with producing math content in braille. The only thing that has changed is the machine the Word document was originally created on crashed and had to have a new drive installed. I reinstalled math type on the machine and things seem to be fine. But, when pulling the Word doc that was created on that machine into Duxbury on my machine, I got the math type errors. I brought the file home and tried it on my own personal machine, again with both Math Type and Duxbury installed, and got basically the same results. Thanks for the suggestions. I'll give the links you provided a look over to see if I'm missing something. ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of steve.noble@louisville.edu [steve.noble@louisville.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 6:55 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Well, the most obvious first step is to be sure that both MathType and Duxbury are installed on the same machine, according to http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_math.asp: "If MathType is not loaded on the same computer as DBT, then as DBT imports a Word document containing MathType material, an error message shows up in the DBT file at the location of each piece of mathematical notation in the file." Other than that, there were a number of MathType conversion errors that were fixed in Duxbury 11.3, according to this page: http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbtwhst.asp You might try contacting caryn@duxsys.com or someone else on their support team. Since I don't really use DBT at a personal level, I cannot speak to other possible issues relating to that software. Hope that helps... --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Robert Beach [rbeach@KCKCC.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 10:11 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] MathType problem Hey all, I have a MathType error that I can't figure out. My intern created a math review sheet in Word 2010 using MathType 6.9B. In the past, I was able to open the Word document into Duxbury and convert the math problems without too much trouble. However, this document gives errors on all of the math problems, but the text translates correctly. I tried it on Duxbury 11.1 (at work) and Duxbury 11.2 (at home). With Duxbury 11.1, I get an error that the file is an unsupported format and it doesn't open. At home the document opens but as I said all problems translate into errors. Can anybody give me an idea what to try? I really need to get this going before Thursday since the student has a test Friday and I need to convert it as well as this review sheet. Thanks all! ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Samantha Johns [samanj@pdx.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:31 PM To: Lisa Brandt Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Hello Lisa, Yes I hope they make that a priority as well. [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lisa Brandt > wrote: Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns > wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe > wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.idpf.org_accessibility_guidelines_content_mathml_desc.php&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=nEtawkDp2ik7MSDKS77XfGZzpD783-bYJrX06GUSa-Q&e= ). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2016 16:15:43 +0000 From: Todd Schwanke To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Robert: Some things to check or try (you may have done some of these already) to try to narrow down whether it is the software, the file, or the equation editing the intern is doing. * Rerun Word documents that you had previously run through successfully to see if they work and if the problem is specific to this document. * If it is saved as a .docx, save as a .doc and vice versa, and then try to convert again. * Was the new file in question created with a 64 bit version of Word rather than a 32 bit? * If you haven't already, try creating a new Word document with a simple equation on the machine that you are using for the conversion, and then process that. If it is successful, then recreate a couple of equations from the math review sheet from scratch and see if they convert. If that is successful, then break the review sheet down into smaller pieces and see if chunks of it work. If that doesn't work but a new document does, then you may be able to copy some of the Latex code into a new document to see if you can save some of the equation work and get them to convert. Todd Schwanke UW-Madison -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 9:02 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Hello Steve, Yes, Duxbury is installed on the same machine as Math Type. This system has worked before with producing math content in braille. The only thing that has changed is the machine the Word document was originally created on crashed and had to have a new drive installed. I reinstalled math type on the machine and things seem to be fine. But, when pulling the Word doc that was created on that machine into Duxbury on my machine, I got the math type errors. I brought the file home and tried it on my own personal machine, again with both Math Type and Duxbury installed, and got basically the same results. Thanks for the suggestions. I'll give the links you provided a look over to see if I'm missing something. ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of steve.noble@louisville.edu [steve.noble@louisville.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 6:55 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Well, the most obvious first step is to be sure that both MathType and Duxbury are installed on the same machine, according to http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_math.asp: "If MathType is not loaded on the same computer as DBT, then as DBT imports a Word document containing MathType material, an error message shows up in the DBT file at the location of each piece of mathematical notation in the file." Other than that, there were a number of MathType conversion errors that were fixed in Duxbury 11.3, according to this page: http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbtwhst.asp You might try contacting caryn@duxsys.com or someone else on their support team. Since I don't really use DBT at a personal level, I cannot speak to other possible issues relating to that software. Hope that helps... --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Robert Beach [rbeach@KCKCC.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 10:11 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] MathType problem Hey all, I have a MathType error that I can't figure out. My intern created a math review sheet in Word 2010 using MathType 6.9B. In the past, I was able to open the Word document into Duxbury and convert the math problems without too much trouble. However, this document gives errors on all of the math problems, but the text translates correctly. I tried it on Duxbury 11.1 (at work) and Duxbury 11.2 (at home). With Duxbury 11.1, I get an error that the file is an unsupported format and it doesn't open. At home the document opens but as I said all problems translate into errors. Can anybody give me an idea what to try? I really need to get this going before Thursday since the student has a test Friday and I need to convert it as well as this review sheet. Thanks all! ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Samantha Johns [samanj@pdx.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:31 PM To: Lisa Brandt Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Hello Lisa, Yes I hope they make that a priority as well. [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lisa Brandt > wrote: Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns > wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe > wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.idpf.org_accessibility_guidelines_content_mathml_desc.php&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=nEtawkDp2ik7MSDKS77XfGZzpD783-bYJrX06GUSa-Q&e= ). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:40:51 -0800 From: Samantha Johns To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello, Math is a complex area for me, but I do think that any authoring software should be robust and include all accessibility conventions. This is especially important for Universal Design as applies to Instructors, Librarians, and many others authoring content digitally. Most people will not take the time to do an unreasonable amount of steps while authoring material, the more developers build and code for accessibility the better. Have a great day, * * *Samantha Johns* *Accessibility & **Course Support Specialist * Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Emma Cliffe wrote: > > Hello, > > I am not sure what this has to do with MathType? I typed (and edited via > keyboard) the equations directly in the Google Doc (document, not > presentation) via the web interface and using the inbuilt equation editor. > This uses a LaTeX type structured format - similar to typing equations > directly into a Word document. Hence I know that the document contains the > structure of the equation - it is rendered directly so there is almost > certainly a mark up language involved somewhere. > > In fact we can confirm this as the export mechanism for docx format from > Google Docs produces OMML and so the equations are preserved in docx. Since > OMML can be transformed to MathML via stylesheets they do effectively have > the MathML but have chosen not to insert this into the EPub. They also have > the LaTeX like linear format I typed which they have chosen not to retain > in the document to preserve the equation and which they have chosen not to > insert as an alt tag where they are generating images. The images which are > generated could have been SVG which would at least have scaled well. > > The reasons I care: > * I think it is reasonable to expect that text content (equations are > text!) I type into a document is not thrown away without warning when I > export that document to another format (I would expect to see the linear > format even in the .txt export - why not?). These types of lossy > conversions are how we end up with incomplete, inaccessible, poor quality > or unusable scientific or mathematical documents in the first place. Maths > students and staff I work with certainly see equations as text, > particularly if they typed the equation, and they expect tools, > conversions, exports etc. to work with them as if they were text. > > * As Lisa said, if Google using EPub builds widespread buy in or helps to > then I would like that buy in to include scientific and mathematical > content and the tools to appropriately create and render it well for all. > This sort of poor quality output is more likely to build the idea that EPub > is not suitable for this content when in fact it is. > > * Students use Google docs to collaborate on documents including > scientific and mathematical content. This may not be sensible but it tends > to happen (I have done this myself and then wished I could get anything > which wasn't docx out of it). They sometimes then ask how they might export > that document for their own purposes afterwards. Since all the export > formats except docx currently throw away equation content I had hoped that > EPub would provide another option. Now I know I should advise them that > they must store and use docx and then do any transforms they want/need from > there. If they are aiming for an e-book format, for whatever reason, this > adds extra levels of conversion and every conversion of mathematical > content introduces the risk of error. > > I am fully aware of the methods mentioned below and I certainly wouldn't > use Google docs as a formatting engine when creating accessible documents. > However, when the document is already in that format and a student asks how > to independently proceed from there it is helpful to be able to advise > appropriately. > > Best wishes, > Emma > > Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer > University of Bath > > On 08/03/16 22:40, Wink Harner wrote: > > Hi ATHENITES, > > > > Today, I am masquerading as the magic math fairy. Waving my magic wand, > I'm going to bonk on the Google Docs export to EPUB icon.**BING!** Whoops, > Math Type equations have to be cut and pasted into a Google Docs, at which > point they are converted to a GIF file, which all of us know "looks nice" > but is generally inaccessible. Well shoot, I had to put that darn "varela" > away. Bonking my math wand on Google docs just doesn?t work, doggone it > all. > > > > There are a couple of problems in converting to EPUB using Google Docs as > the formatting engine. First of all there are easier ways to create > accessible documents and convert to EPUB format ? Caliber (free) is one > among many applications which does a fine job than using Google Docs as the > formatting engine. Google Docs is a shell program which makes you think you > are working in Microsoft Word when in fact you are not. Which is why > MathType doesn't work as efficiently or at all in this arena. > > > > What really confuses me is why any of us are even considering using EPUB > for math output, when there is such a simple, somewhat direct (simple does > not equal easy or fast!) route to take: if you want it to look nice, leave > it alone in the PDF file. If it needs to be in text-to-speech, run the PDF > through an OCR conversion using Infnty OCR software for the math & either > Abbyy Fine Reader or Omnipage for the text portions, save into a Microsoft > or a tagged PDF file, and for a student who has a reading disability, use > the free CAR reader from Central Washington University, which renders math > nicely in text-to-speech. Or for the student who is blind or visually > impaired, and needs to use a screen reader such as JAWS or NVDA, retype > using MathType. Or, you can convert to LaTex or Nemeth and export to > Braille. The CAR text-to-speech reader is not yet available in the iDevice > world, but it does nicely in the android and the PC World, providing a good > text-to-speech output while simultaneously highlighting the math. This is > good learning support for students who have reading disabilities. > > > > I am really struggling over why we think that every platform ought to > cover every color, shade, and size of disability. Surely, we have learned > enough by now to know that you pick the right tool for the job, not the > other way around. > > > > If you're looking at portability, then by all means make the math look > nice on a small screen. But portability is only applicable as an > accommodation under certain circumstances, for example, a student who > cannot carry all of the books without succumbing to a tipping factor. Or > someone who cannot physically turn the pages would benefit from an > electronic book format. > > > > I have enclosed (below) , a selection from a Google how-to site > specifically regarding formatting math in Google Docs: > > > "There is no built-in equation capability in Google Docs Presentations, > but you can still use MathType to create equations for your presentations. > > 1. In MathType, in the* Size* menu choose* Define*, and set the font > size equal to what you're using in Google Docs. Default font size in Google > Docs presentations is 32pt. > 2. In MathType's *Preferences* menu choose *Web and GIF Preferences*. > Leave everything at its default setting except in the center section, click > to place a checkmark in the box next to *Smooth edges (anti-aliasing)*. > 3. Create your equation and save it to your computer as a GIF image. > Use the *Save* command in the *File *menu for this, being careful to > note where on your computer you saved it (Desktop is convenient). To save > as GIF, when the *Save As* dialog is open, check the* Save as type* > section to make sure it says* Graphics Interchange Format*. > 4. In Google Docs, click the *Insert Image* icon on the toolbar (or > use the menu command), then click *Browse* to find the image on your > computer. When you find it, click *Open*, then back in the *Insert > Image* dialog, click *OK*. > 5. Move the image into position. The size of the equation should be > about right, but if you do need to resize it, drag one of the corners *while > holding down the Shift key*, and it will retain the proper proportion > of the equation." > > Here's the link: > > https://sites.google.com/a/d219.org/pdc/productivity/mathtype > > Note: this method is designed for presentations not necessarily EPUB > export, but it will not render accessible math in any format. It may render > math that will fit on an EPUB page, but that only means it's portable, not > accessible. > > I encourage all of you to please go back to the drawing board and run down > 1. Who is your student?; 2. What is the student's disability?; 3. What is > the student's preferred electronic text? (PDF, text-to-speech, tagged PDF, > LaTex, Nemeth code?; 4. How will they access the text? What equipment or > technology do they have? Once you've answered these questions, the route > your format takes will become evident. Each one is different, and sadly > there is no easy, quick solution for any of this. > > As always, I am open to input and flogging from the listserv > (enlightenment) if my information is not correct. I would love to be > updated if there is in fact a route to math accessibility in Google Docs to > EPUB. > > Respectfully, > > Wink > > Wink Harner > > Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training > > Alternative Text & Media Production > > The Foreigntype > > > > foreigntype@gmail.com > > winkharner1113@gmail.com > > > > (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please > forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu > ] *On Behalf Of *Lisa > Brandt > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:00 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs > > > > Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a > priority. > > > > > > On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns < > samanj@pdx.edu> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this > format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. > > > > I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text > for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt > Text. So that's a plus! > > > *[image: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png]* > > > *Samantha Johns* > > *Accessibility & Course Support Specialist * > > Portland State University > > 1825 SW Broadway > > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe < > E.H.Cliffe@bath.ac.uk> wrote: > > > Hello, > > Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full > test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the > EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images > (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means > that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow > badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. > > This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with > SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 > http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I > didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more > complex structural elements though. > > Best wishes, > Emma Cliffe > > Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer > University of Bath > > > > On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: > > Hello Athen Community, > > > > As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to > Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this > and recommendations? > > > > Have a great day! > > > *[image: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png]* > > > *Samantha Johns* > > *Accessibility & Course Support Specialist * > > Portland State University > > 1825 SW Broadway > > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > -- > > -- > Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services > Accessibility Technician > Alternate Media Formats Technician > SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 > > Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: > access-tech-group@pcc.edu > 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) > > > -- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:48:11 -0800 From: "Lisa Brandt" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" ,"Samantha Johns" Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" I think we should all probably be cutting and pasting these messages into Google's "Send Feedback" form. Lisa On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:40:51 -0800, Samantha Johns wrote: > Hello, > > Math is a complex area for me, but I do think that any authoring > software should be robust and include all accessibility conventions. > This is especially important for >Universal Design as applies to > Instructors, Librarians, and many others authoring content digitally. > Most people will not take the time to do an unreasonable amount >of > steps while authoring material, the more developers build and code for > accessibility the better. > Have a great day, > > > > > > > > > Samantha Johns > > Accessibility & Course Support Specialist > Portland State University > 1825 SW Broadway > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Emma Cliffe >> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I am not sure what this has to do with MathType? I typed (and edited >> via keyboard) the equations directly in the Google Doc (document, not >> presentation) via the >>web interface and using the inbuilt equation >> editor. This uses a LaTeX type structured format - similar to typing >> equations directly into a Word document. Hence I >>know that the >> document contains the structure of the equation - it is rendered >> directly so there is almost certainly a mark up language involved >> somewhere. >> In fact we can confirm this as the export mechanism for docx format >> from Google Docs produces OMML and so the equations are preserved in >> docx. Since OMML >>can be transformed to MathML via stylesheets they do >> effectively have the MathML but have chosen not to insert this into the >> EPub. They also have the LaTeX like >>linear format I typed which they >> have chosen not to retain in the document to preserve the equation and >> which they have chosen not to insert as an alt tag where >>they are >> generating images. The images which are generated could have been SVG >> which would at least have scaled well. >> The reasons I care: >> * I think it is reasonable to expect that text content (equations are >> text!) I type into a document is not thrown away without warning when I >> export that document to >>another format (I would expect to see the >> linear format even in the .txt export - why not?). These types of lossy >> conversions are how we end up with incomplete, >>inaccessible, poor >> quality or unusable scientific or mathematical documents in the first >> place. Maths students and staff I work with certainly see equations as >> text, >>particularly if they typed the equation, and they expect tools, >> conversions, exports etc. to work with them as if they were text. >> * As Lisa said, if Google using EPub builds widespread buy in or helps >> to then I would like that buy in to include scientific and mathematical >> content and the tools >>to appropriately create and render it well for >> all. This sort of poor quality output is more likely to build the idea >> that EPub is not suitable for this content when in fact >>it is. >> * Students use Google docs to collaborate on documents including >> scientific and mathematical content. This may not be sensible but it >> tends to happen (I have >>done this myself and then wished I could get >> anything which wasn't docx out of it). They sometimes then ask how they >> might export that document for their own >>purposes afterwards. Since >> all the export formats except docx currently throw away equation >> content I had hoped that EPub would provide another option. Now I >> >>know I should advise them that they must store and use docx and then >> do any transforms they want/need from there. If they are aiming for an >> e-book format, for >>whatever reason, this adds extra levels of >> conversion and every conversion of mathematical content introduces the >> risk of error. >> I am fully aware of the methods mentioned below and I certainly >> wouldn't use Google docs as a formatting engine when creating >> accessible documents. However, >>when the document is already in that >> format and a student asks how to independently proceed from there it is >> helpful to be able to advise appropriately. >> Best wishes, >> Emma >> >> Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer >> University of Bath >> >> On 08/03/16 22:40, Wink Harner wrote: >>> >>> Hi ATHENITES, >>> >>> >>> Today, I am masquerading as the magic math fairy. Waving my magic >>> wand, I'm going to bonk on the Google Docs export to EPUB >>> >>>icon.**BING!** Whoops, Math Type equations have to be cut and >>> pasted into a Google Docs, at which point they are converted to a >>> >>>GIF file, which all of us know "looks nice" but is generally >>> inaccessible. Well shoot, I had to put that darn "varela" away. >>> Bonking my >>>math wand on Google docs just doesn?t work, doggone it >>> all. >>> >>> There are a couple of problems in converting to EPUB using Google Docs >>> as the formatting engine. First of all there are easier ways to >>> >>>create accessible documents and convert to EPUB format ? Caliber >>> (free) is one among many applications which does a fine job than >>> >>>using Google Docs as the formatting engine. Google Docs is a shell >>> program which makes you think you are working in Microsoft >>>Word >>> when in fact you are not. Which is why MathType doesn't work as >>> efficiently or at all in this arena. >>> >>> What really confuses me is why any of us are even considering using >>> EPUB for math output, when there is such a simple, somewhat >>>direct >>> (simple does not equal easy or fast!) route to take: if you want it to >>> look nice, leave it alone in the PDF file. If it needs to be in >>> >>>text-to-speech, run the PDF through an OCR conversion using Infnty >>> OCR software for the math & either Abbyy Fine Reader or >>>Omnipage >>> for the text portions, save into a Microsoft or a tagged PDF file, and >>> for a student who has a reading disability, use the free >>>CAR reader >>> from Central Washington University, which renders math nicely in >>> text-to-speech. Or for the student who is blind or >>>visually >>> impaired, and needs to use a screen reader such as JAWS or NVDA, >>> retype using MathType. Or, you can convert to LaTex or >>>Nemeth and >>> export to Braille. The CAR text-to-speech reader is not yet available >>> in the iDevice world, but it does nicely in the android >>>and the PC >>> World, providing a good text-to-speech output while simultaneously >>> highlighting the math. This is good learning support >>>for students >>> who have reading disabilities. >>> >>> >>> I am really struggling over why we think that every platform ought to >>> cover every color, shade, and size of disability. Surely, we have >>> >>>learned enough by now to know that you pick the right tool for the >>> job, not the other way around. >>> >>> >>> If you're looking at portability, then by all means make the math look >>> nice on a small screen. But portability is only applicable as an >>> >>>accommodation under certain circumstances, for example, a student >>> who cannot carry all of the books without succumbing to a >>>tipping >>> factor. Or someone who cannot physically turn the pages would benefit >>> from an electronic book format. >>> >>> I have enclosed (below) , a selection from a Google how-to site >>> specifically regarding formatting math in Google Docs: >>> >>>"There is no built-in equation capability in Google Docs >>> Presentations, but you can still use MathType to create equations for >>> your >>>presentations. >>> In MathType, in the Size menu choose Define, and set the font size >>> equal to what you're using in Google Docs. Default font size in Google >>> >>>Docs presentations is 32pt.In MathType's Preferences menu choose >>> Web and GIF Preferences. Leave everything at its default setting >>> except in the center section, >>>click to place a checkmark in the box >>> next to Smooth edges (anti-aliasing).Create your equation and save it >>> to your computer as a GIF image. Use the Save command in the File menu >>> for this, being careful to note >>>where on your computer you saved it >>> (Desktop is convenient). To save as GIF, when the Save As dialog is >>> open, check the Save as type >>>section to make sure it says Graphics >>> Interchange Format.In Google Docs, click the Insert Image icon on the >>> toolbar (or use the menu command), then click Browse to find the image >>> on your >>>computer. When you find it, click Open, then back in the >>> Insert Image dialog, click OK.Move the image into position. The size >>> of the equation should be about right, but if you do need to resize >>> it, drag one of the corners while >>>holding down the Shift key, and >>> it will retain the proper proportion of the equation." >>> Here's the link: >>> https://sites.google.com/a/d219.org/pdc/productivity/mathtype >>> >>> Note: this method is designed for presentations not necessarily EPUB >>> export, but it will not render accessible math in any format. It >>> >>>may render math that will fit on an EPUB page, but that only means >>> it's portable, not accessible. >>> >>> I encourage all of you to please go back to the drawing board and run >>> down 1. Who is your student?; 2. What is the student's >>>disability?; >>> 3. What is the student's preferred electronic text? (PDF, >>> text-to-speech, tagged PDF, LaTex, Nemeth code?; 4. How will >>>they >>> access the text? What equipment or technology do they have? Once >>> you've answered these questions, the route your format >>>takes will >>> become evident. Each one is different, and sadly there is no easy, >>> quick solution for any of this. >>> As always, I am open to input and flogging from the listserv >>> (enlightenment) if my information is not correct. I would love to be >>> >>>updated if there is in fact a route to math accessibility in Google >>> Docs to EPUB. >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> >>> Wink >>> >>> Wink Harner >>> >>> Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training >>> >>> Alternative Text & Media Production >>> >>> The Foreigntype >>> >>> >>> foreigntype@gmail.com >>> >>> winkharner1113@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. >>> Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: athen-list >>> [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of >>> Lisa Brandt >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:00 PM >>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns >>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs >>> >>> >>> Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make >>> that a priority. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to >>>> this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support >>>> >>>>math equations. >>>> >>>> >>>> I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt >>>> text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and >>>> >>>>read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Samantha Johns >>>> >>>> Accessibility & Course Support Specialist >>>> Portland State University >>>> >>>> 1825 SW Broadway >>>> >>>> Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 >>>> Portland OR 97201 >>>> (503) 725-2754 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have >>>> full test software here at home but from what I could see from >>>> >>>>unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations >>>> are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without >>>> >>>>alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well >>>> (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to >>>> be read >>>>aloud. >>>> This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML >>>> with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 >>>> http://www.idpf.org/>>>>accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). >>>> I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other >>>> more complex >>>>structural elements though. >>>> Best wishes, >>>> Emma Cliffe >>>> >>>> Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer >>>> University of Bath >>>> >>>> >>>> On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Athen Community, >>>>> >>>>> As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to >>>>> export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think >>>>>about >>>>> the benefits of this and recommendations? >>>>> >>>>> Have a great day! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Samantha Johns >>>>> >>>>> Accessibility & Course Support Specialist >>>>> Portland State University >>>>> >>>>> 1825 SW Broadway >>>>> >>>>> Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 >>>>> Portland OR 97201 >>>>> (503) 725-2754 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> athen-list mailing list >>>> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >>>> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>> -- >>> Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services >>> Accessibility Technician >>> Alternate Media Formats Technician >>> SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 >>> >>> Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: >>> access-tech-group@pcc.edu >>> 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) >> >> -- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 18:03:11 +0000 From: "Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)" To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" Subject: [Athen] AHEAD/ATHEN Webinar March 15th - Discount Available! Message-ID: <15d6d7e021ee418a8fd6e4102f83c97a@TURQUOISE.catnet.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ATHEN Members, Did you know that as an ATHEN Member you qualify for a discount on any AHEAD webinars? There is an upcoming webinar on March 15, 2016: The Student Interview: A Tool for Gaining Essential Information Melanie Thornton-University of Arkansas Teresa Haven-Northern Arizona University Others TBD Understanding a student's disability experience is a core skill for disability resource professionals that involves the ability to listen, ask informed questions, reflect, analyze, and apply professional judgment. The initial conversation with the student is a powerful tool in acquiring the information necessary for decision-making and often sets the tone for the student's perception of the disability resource office. In this session, the facilitators will discuss strategies and provide a model for the student interview process that uses self-report, professional judgment, and third-party documentation to focus on barrier removal in physical and virtual environments and create a campus culture of access and inclusion. Audience: All Cost for ATHEN Members to attend this and any of the other AHEAD Webinar sessions (http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/at_webinars_15_16 or http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/webinars) is the same as AHEAD members. When registering for the webinar, choose the option for "I qualify for AHEAD member rates" to get your discount! We hope you take advantage of this benefit! ATHEN Executive Committee ~~ Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant Disability Resource Center 520-626-9409 hunziker@email.arizona.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 10:14:20 -0800 From: "Wink Harner" To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Message-ID: <004201d17a2f$80e507c0$82af1740$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I think Lisa has a good idea! Let?s let Google know. Wink Harner Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training Alternative Text & Media Production The Foreigntype foreigntype@gmail.com winkharner1113@gmail.com (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lisa Brandt Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 9:48 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs I think we should all probably be cutting and pasting these messages into Google's "Send Feedback" form. Lisa On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:40:51 -0800, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello, Math is a complex area for me, but I do think that any authoring software should be robust and include all accessibility conventions. This is especially important for Universal Design as applies to Instructors, Librarians, and many others authoring content digitally. Most people will not take the time to do an unreasonable amount of steps while authoring material, the more developers build and code for accessibility the better. Have a great day, Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Emma Cliffe wrote: Hello, I am not sure what this has to do with MathType? I typed (and edited via keyboard) the equations directly in the Google Doc (document, not presentation) via the web interface and using the inbuilt equation editor. This uses a LaTeX type structured format - similar to typing equations directly into a Word document. Hence I know that the document contains the structure of the equation - it is rendered directly so there is almost certainly a mark up language involved somewhere. In fact we can confirm this as the export mechanism for docx format from Google Docs produces OMML and so the equations are preserved in docx. Since OMML can be transformed to MathML via stylesheets they do effectively have the MathML but have chosen not to insert this into the EPub. They also have the LaTeX like linear format I typed which they have chosen not to retain in the document to preserve the equation and which they have chosen not to insert as an alt tag where they are generating images. The images which are generated could have been SVG which would at least have scaled well. The reasons I care: * I think it is reasonable to expect that text content (equations are text!) I type into a document is not thrown away without warning when I export that document to another format (I would expect to see the linear format even in the .txt export - why not?). These types of lossy conversions are how we end up with incomplete, inaccessible, poor quality or unusable scientific or mathematical documents in the first place. Maths students and staff I work with certainly see equations as text, particularly if they typed the equation, and they expect tools, conversions, exports etc. to work with them as if they were text. * As Lisa said, if Google using EPub builds widespread buy in or helps to then I would like that buy in to include scientific and mathematical content and the tools to appropriately create and render it well for all. This sort of poor quality output is more likely to build the idea that EPub is not suitable for this content when in fact it is. * Students use Google docs to collaborate on documents including scientific and mathematical content. This may not be sensible but it tends to happen (I have done this myself and then wished I could get anything which wasn't docx out of it). They sometimes then ask how they might export that document for their own purposes afterwards. Since all the export formats except docx currently throw away equation content I had hoped that EPub would provide another option. Now I know I should advise them that they must store and use docx and then do any transforms they want/need from there. If they are aiming for an e-book format, for whatever reason, this adds extra levels of conversion and every conversion of mathematical content introduces the risk of error. I am fully aware of the methods mentioned below and I certainly wouldn't use Google docs as a formatting engine when creating accessible documents. However, when the document is already in that format and a student asks how to independently proceed from there it is helpful to be able to advise appropriately. Best wishes, Emma Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 22:40, Wink Harner wrote: Hi ATHENITES, Today, I am masquerading as the magic math fairy. Waving my magic wand, I'm going to bonk on the Google Docs export to EPUB icon.**BING!** Whoops, Math Type equations have to be cut and pasted into a Google Docs, at which point they are converted to a GIF file, which all of us know "looks nice" but is generally inaccessible. Well shoot, I had to put that darn "varela" away. Bonking my math wand on Google docs just doesn?t work, doggone it all. There are a couple of problems in converting to EPUB using Google Docs as the formatting engine. First of all there are easier ways to create accessible documents and convert to EPUB format ? Caliber (free) is one among many applications which does a fine job than using Google Docs as the formatting engine. Google Docs is a shell program which makes you think you are working in Microsoft Word when in fact you are not. Which is why MathType doesn't work as efficiently or at all in this arena. What really confuses me is why any of us are even considering using EPUB for math output, when there is such a simple, somewhat direct (simple does not equal easy or fast!) route to take: if you want it to look nice, leave it alone in the PDF file. If it needs to be in text-to-speech, run the PDF through an OCR conversion using Infnty OCR software for the math & either Abbyy Fine Reader or Omnipage for the text portions, save into a Microsoft or a tagged PDF file, and for a student who has a reading disability, use the free CAR reader from Central Washington University, which renders math nicely in text-to-speech. Or for the student who is blind or visually impaired, and needs to use a screen reader such as JAWS or NVDA, retype using MathType. Or, you can convert to LaTex or Nemeth and export to Braille. The CAR text-to-speech reader is not yet available in the iDevice world, but it does nicely in the android and the PC World, providing a good text-to-speech output while sim! ultaneously highlighting the math. This is good learning support for students who have reading disabilities. I am really struggling over why we think that every platform ought to cover every color, shade, and size of disability. Surely, we have learned enough by now to know that you pick the right tool for the job, not the other way around. If you're looking at portability, then by all means make the math look nice on a small screen. But portability is only applicable as an accommodation under certain circumstances, for example, a student who cannot carry all of the books without succumbing to a tipping factor. Or someone who cannot physically turn the pages would benefit from an electronic book format. I have enclosed (below) , a selection from a Google how-to site specifically regarding formatting math in Google Docs: "There is no built-in equation capability in Google Docs Presentations, but you can still use MathType to create equations for your presentations. 1. In MathType, in the Size menu choose Define, and set the font size equal to what you're using in Google Docs. Default font size in Google Docs presentations is 32pt. 2. In MathType's Preferences menu choose Web and GIF Preferences. Leave everything at its default setting except in the center section, click to place a checkmark in the box next to Smooth edges (anti-aliasing). 3. Create your equation and save it to your computer as a GIF image. Use the Save command in the File menu for this, being careful to note where on your computer you saved it (Desktop is convenient). To save as GIF, when the Save As dialog is open, check the Save as type section to make sure it says Graphics Interchange Format. 4. In Google Docs, click the Insert Image icon on the toolbar (or use the menu command), then click Browse to find the image on your computer. When you find it, click Open, then back in the Insert Image dialog, click OK. 5. Move the image into position. The size of the equation should be about right, but if you do need to resize it, drag one of the corners while holding down the Shift key, and it will retain the proper proportion of the equation." Here's the link: https://sites.google.com/a/d219.org/pdc/productivity/mathtype Note: this method is designed for presentations not necessarily EPUB export, but it will not render accessible math in any format. It may render math that will fit on an EPUB page, but that only means it's portable, not accessible. I encourage all of you to please go back to the drawing board and run down 1. Who is your student?; 2. What is the student's disability?; 3. What is the student's preferred electronic text? (PDF, text-to-speech, tagged PDF, LaTex, Nemeth code?; 4. How will they access the text? What equipment or technology do they have? Once you've answered these questions, the route your format takes will become evident. Each one is different, and sadly there is no easy, quick solution for any of this. As always, I am open to input and flogging from the listserv (enlightenment) if my information is not correct. I would love to be updated if there is in fact a route to math accessibility in Google Docs to EPUB. Respectfully, Wink Wink Harner Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training Alternative Text & Media Production The Foreigntype foreigntype@gmail.com winkharner1113@gmail.com (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lisa Brandt Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:00 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! 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Will also serve as a liaison with Student Disability Services, IS&T, Office of General Counsel, Human Resources, and Office of Digital Learning with regard to IT accessibility requests and coordinating related MIT ADA compliance. Characteristic Duties: * Manage the Accessibility and Usability team * Coordinate IT-related accommodations for individuals with Student Disability Services or HR Disability Services by making decisions regarding what hardware, software, accessibility reviews, redevelopment, or remediation of IT is required * Lead and manage accessible course materials acquisition and delivery services for MIT students. * Lead accessibility consulting, design and code checks, reviews, and tool evaluations * Oversee and participate in data gathering projects to assess user characteristics, requirements, needs, goals, and opportunities related the products and services * Research new trends in policy, mandates, processes, testing tools, and trends to incorporate accessibility and usability into existing and developing Institute processes * Provide education and outreach on accessibility and usability best practices to the MIT community Requirements: * Master?s degree in computer science or information systems * Five years of relevant accessibility and usability work experience * Experience leading and managing teams * Thorough knowledge of the federal disability mandates and other relevant laws and guidance (Section 504, ADA Title III, TEACH Act) applicable to technology accessibility and tools provided in higher education * Knowledge and understanding of the W3C WAI WCAG 2.0 Standards and industry usability standards and methodologies * Deep working knowledge of the scope of available assistive technologies and how they interact with web, desktop, and mobile products and services * Ability to readily adapt to changing demands and needs of the MIT community and to effectively handle and prioritize competing demands * Excellent time management and organizational skills Interested candidates may apply online at http://jobs.mit.edu/. Please reference job number 13181 and indicate where you saw this posting. MIT is an equal employment opportunity employer. All qualified applicants will receive consideration for employment and will not be discriminated against on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, veteran status, or disability. ? Mary J. Ziegler Program Manager for Online Accessibility MIT Office of Digital Learning maryz@mit.edu 617-258-9328 ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list ------------------------------ End of athen-list Digest, Vol 122, Issue 6 ****************************************** [University of St. Thomas : All for the Common Good] From Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu Wed Mar 9 13:15:38 2016 From: Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu (Joseph Sherman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Text in marketing images In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0a111ee9e23b4369ba55bb58056465b7@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> WAI has an alt Decision Tree at: https://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/images/decision-tree/ So does W3C at: https://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/#tree It depends on the specifics. Is the image a link? Is the text decorative? Does the image+text convey information? Joseph -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sarver, Cynthia A. Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 3:55 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Text in marketing images Hello, We are ramping up an accessibility initiative at UST and are in the process of examining our public-facing websites, as well as instructional content. I know that many of you are farther along this path than we and am hoping you can share your expertise. Specifically we have a question about how to deal with largely decorative images on, say, department home pages that may also contain a text overlay (such as a marketing slogan) that is also part of the image. We are thinking that this problem cannot be unique to us and are wondering how others have corrected this issue in light of accessibility. Thanks in advance, --Cynthia Cynthia Sarver, M.E.T., Ph.D. Accessibility Specialist/Instructional Designer Center for Faculty Development AQU 311 | Mail 4034 University of St. Thomas St. Paul, MN 55105-1078 Phone: 651-962-6015 E-mail: cynthia.sarver@stthomas.edu Twitter: @cynthiasarver -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 2:01 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 122, Issue 6 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Epub Format in Google Docs (Emma Cliffe) 2. Re: Epub Format in Google Docs (Samantha Johns) 3. Re: Epub Format in Google Docs (Lisa Brandt) 4. Re: Epub Format in Google Docs (Samantha Johns) 5. Re: Epub Format in Google Docs (Wink Harner) 6. MathType problem (Robert Beach) 7. Re: Epub Format in Google Docs (Emma Cliffe) 8. Re: MathType problem (steve.noble@louisville.edu) 9. Re: MathType problem (Robert Beach) 10. Re: MathType problem (Mark C. Mintz) 11. Re: MathType problem (Todd Schwanke) 12. Re: Epub Format in Google Docs (Samantha Johns) 13. Re: Epub Format in Google Docs (Lisa Brandt) 14. AHEAD/ATHEN Webinar March 15th - Discount Available! (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)) 15. Re: Epub Format in Google Docs (Wink Harner) 16. Job Posting Announcement: MIT Associate Dean, Accessibility and Usability (Mary J Ziegler) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 20:35:24 +0000 From: Emma Cliffe To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Message-ID: <4b83a366e359424d806eb03295497165@exch06.campus.bath.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So that's a plus! * * *Samantha Johns* *Accessibility & **Course Support Specialist * Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe wrote: > > Hello, > > Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full > test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the > EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images > (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means > that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow > badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. > > This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with > SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 > http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I > didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more > complex structural elements though. > > Best wishes, > Emma Cliffe > > Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer > University of Bath > > > On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: > > Hello Athen Community, > > As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to > Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this > and recommendations? > > Have a great day! > > > * * > > *Samantha Johns* > > *Accessibility & **Course Support Specialist * > > Portland State University > 1825 SW Broadway > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > > -- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:59:31 -0800 From: "Lisa Brandt" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" ,"Samantha Johns" Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns wrote: > Hello, > Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this > format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math > >equations. > > I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt > text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read > the Alt Text. >So that's a plus! > > > > > Samantha Johns > > Accessibility & Course Support Specialist > Portland State University > 1825 SW Broadway > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe >> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full >> test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the >> EPub >>and looking at the source code the equations are stored as >> images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. >> This means that the >>images won't scale well (may also align badly and >> will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. >> This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML >> with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 >> http://www.idpf.org/>>accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). >> I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other >> more complex structural >>elements though. >> Best wishes, >> Emma Cliffe >> >> Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer >> University of Bath >> >> >> On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: >>> Hello Athen Community, >>> As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export >>> to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the >>>benefits >>> of this and recommendations? >>> Have a great day! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Samantha Johns >>> >>> Accessibility & Course Support Specialist >>> Portland State University >>> 1825 SW Broadway >>> Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 >>> Portland OR 97201 >>> (503) 725-2754 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> -- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 14:31:37 -0800 From: Samantha Johns To: Lisa Brandt Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello Lisa, Yes I hope they make that a priority as well. * * *Samantha Johns* *Accessibility & **Course Support Specialist * Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lisa Brandt wrote: > Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a > priority. > > > On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns wrote: > > Hello, > > Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this > format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. > > I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text > for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt > Text. So that's a plus! > > > * * > > *Samantha Johns* > > *Accessibility & **Course Support Specialist * > > Portland State University > 1825 SW Broadway > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe > wrote: > >> >> Hello, >> >> Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full >> test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the >> EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images >> (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means >> that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow >> badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. >> >> This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with >> SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 >> http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I >> didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more >> complex structural elements though. >> >> Best wishes, >> Emma Cliffe >> >> Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer >> University of Bath >> >> >> On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: >> >> Hello Athen Community, >> >> As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to >> Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this >> and recommendations? >> >> Have a great day! >> >> >> * * >> >> *Samantha Johns* >> >> *Accessibility & **Course Support Specialist * >> >> Portland State University >> 1825 SW Broadway >> Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 >> Portland OR 97201 >> (503) 725-2754 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> > > > > -- > -- > Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services > Accessibility Technician > Alternate Media Formats Technician > SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 > > Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: > access-tech-group@pcc.edu > 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2016 14:39:26 -0800 From: "Wink Harner" To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Message-ID: <00ec01d1798b$5f538860$1dfa9920$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi ATHENITES, Today, I am masquerading as the magic math fairy. Waving my magic wand, I'm going to bonk on the Google Docs export to EPUB icon.**BING!** Whoops, Math Type equations have to be cut and pasted into a Google Docs, at which point they are converted to a GIF file, which all of us know "looks nice" but is generally inaccessible. Well shoot, I had to put that darn "varela" away. Bonking my math wand on Google docs just doesn't work, doggone it all. There are a couple of problems in converting to EPUB using Google Docs as the formatting engine. First of all there are easier ways to create accessible documents and convert to EPUB format - Caliber (free) is one among many applications which does a fine job than using Google Docs as the formatting engine. Google Docs is a shell program which makes you think you are working in Microsoft Word when in fact you are not. Which is why MathType doesn't work as efficiently or at all in this arena. What really confuses me is why any of us are even considering using EPUB for math output, when there is such a simple, somewhat direct (simple does not equal easy or fast!) route to take: if you want it to look nice, leave it alone in the PDF file. If it needs to be in text-to-speech, run the PDF through an OCR conversion using Infnty OCR software for the math & either Abbyy Fine Reader or Omnipage for the text portions, save into a Microsoft or a tagged PDF file, and for a student who has a reading disability, use the free CAR reader from Central Washington University, which renders math nicely in text-to-speech. Or for the student who is blind or visually impaired, and needs to use a screen reader such as JAWS or NVDA, retype using MathType. Or, you can convert to LaTex or Nemeth and export to Braille. The CAR text-to-speech reader is not yet available in the iDevice world, but it does nicely in the android and the PC World, providing a good text-to-speech output while simultaneously highlighting the math. This is good learning support for students who have reading disabilities. I am really struggling over why we think that every platform ought to cover every color, shade, and size of disability. Surely, we have learned enough by now to know that you pick the right tool for the job, not the other way around. If you're looking at portability, then by all means make the math look nice on a small screen. But portability is only applicable as an accommodation under certain circumstances, for example, a student who cannot carry all of the books without succumbing to a tipping factor. Or someone who cannot physically turn the pages would benefit from an electronic book format. I have enclosed (below) , a selection from a Google how-to site specifically regarding formatting math in Google Docs: "There is no built-in equation capability in Google Docs Presentations, but you can still use MathType to create equations for your presentations. 1.In MathType, in the Size menu choose Define, and set the font size equal to what you're using in Google Docs. Default font size in Google Docs presentations is 32pt. 2.In MathType's Preferences menu choose Web and GIF Preferences. Leave everything at its default setting except in the center section, click to place a checkmark in the box next to Smooth edges (anti-aliasing). 3.Create your equation and save it to your computer as a GIF image. Use the Save command in the File menu for this, being careful to note where on your computer you saved it (Desktop is convenient). To save as GIF, when the Save As dialog is open, check the Save as type section to make sure it says Graphics Interchange Format. 4.In Google Docs, click the Insert Image icon on the toolbar (or use the menu command), then click Browse to find the image on your computer. When you find it, click Open, then back in the Insert Image dialog, click OK. 5.Move the image into position. The size of the equation should be about right, but if you do need to resize it, drag one of the corners while holding down the Shift key, and it will retain the proper proportion of the equation." Here's the link: https://sites.google.com/a/d219.org/pdc/productivity/mathtype Note: this method is designed for presentations not necessarily EPUB export, but it will not render accessible math in any format. It may render math that will fit on an EPUB page, but that only means it's portable, not accessible. I encourage all of you to please go back to the drawing board and run down 1. Who is your student?; 2. What is the student's disability?; 3. What is the student's preferred electronic text? (PDF, text-to-speech, tagged PDF, LaTex, Nemeth code.; 4. How will they access the text? What equipment or technology do they have? Once you've answered these questions, the route your format takes will become evident. Each one is different, and sadly there is no easy, quick solution for any of this. As always, I am open to input and flogging from the listserv (enlightenment) if my information is not correct. I would love to be updated if there is in fact a route to math accessibility in Google Docs to EPUB. Respectfully, Wink Wink Harner Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training Alternative Text & Media Production The Foreigntype foreigntype@gmail.com winkharner1113@gmail.com (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lisa Brandt Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:00 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns < samanj@pdx.edu> wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe < E.H.Cliffe@bath.ac.uk> wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? 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Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 1383 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 03:11:35 +0000 From: Robert Beach To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] MathType problem Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A20A9@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey all, I have a MathType error that I can't figure out. My intern created a math review sheet in Word 2010 using MathType 6.9B. In the past, I was able to open the Word document into Duxbury and convert the math problems without too much trouble. However, this document gives errors on all of the math problems, but the text translates correctly. I tried it on Duxbury 11.1 (at work) and Duxbury 11.2 (at home). With Duxbury 11.1, I get an error that the file is an unsupported format and it doesn't open. At home the document opens but as I said all problems translate into errors. Can anybody give me an idea what to try? I really need to get this going before Thursday since the student has a test Friday and I need to convert it as well as this review sheet. Thanks all! ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Samantha Johns [samanj@pdx.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:31 PM To: Lisa Brandt Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Hello Lisa, Yes I hope they make that a priority as well. [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lisa Brandt > wrote: Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns > wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe > wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 12:11:57 +0000 From: Emma Cliffe To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Message-ID: <1a2ce0b2f49a41d390c4182831b76d36@exch06.campus.bath.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Hello, I am not sure what this has to do with MathType? I typed (and edited via keyboard) the equations directly in the Google Doc (document, not presentation) via the web interface and using the inbuilt equation editor. This uses a LaTeX type structured format - similar to typing equations directly into a Word document. Hence I know that the document contains the structure of the equation - it is rendered directly so there is almost certainly a mark up language involved somewhere. In fact we can confirm this as the export mechanism for docx format from Google Docs produces OMML and so the equations are preserved in docx. Since OMML can be transformed to MathML via stylesheets they do effectively have the MathML but have chosen not to insert this into the EPub. They also have the LaTeX like linear format I typed which they have chosen not to retain in the document to preserve the equation and which they have chosen not to insert as an alt tag where they are generating images. The images which are generated could have been SVG which would at least have scaled well. The reasons I care: * I think it is reasonable to expect that text content (equations are text!) I type into a document is not thrown away without warning when I export that document to another format (I would expect to see the linear format even in the .txt export - why not?). These types of lossy conversions are how we end up with incomplete, inaccessible, poor quality or unusable scientific or mathematical documents in the first place. Maths students and staff I work with certainly see equations as text, particularly if they typed the equation, and they expect tools, conversions, exports etc. to work with them as if they were text. * As Lisa said, if Google using EPub builds widespread buy in or helps to then I would like that buy in to include scientific and mathematical content and the tools to appropriately create and render it well for all. This sort of poor quality output is more likely to build the idea that EPub is not suitable for this content when in fact it is. * Students use Google docs to collaborate on documents including scientific and mathematical content. This may not be sensible but it tends to happen (I have done this myself and then wished I could get anything which wasn't docx out of it). They sometimes then ask how they might export that document for their own purposes afterwards. Since all the export formats except docx currently throw away equation content I had hoped that EPub would provide another option. Now I know I should advise them that they must store and use docx and then do any transforms they want/need from there. If they are aiming for an e-book format, for whatever reason, this adds extra levels of conversion and every conversion of mathematical content introduces the risk of error. I am fully aware of the methods mentioned below and I certainly wouldn't use Google docs as a formatting engine when creating accessible documents. However, when the document is already in that format and a student asks how to independently proceed from there it is helpful to be able to advise appropriately. Best wishes, Emma Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 22:40, Wink Harner wrote: Hi ATHENITES, Today, I am masquerading as the magic math fairy. Waving my magic wand, I'm going to bonk on the Google Docs export to EPUB icon.**BING!** Whoops, Math Type equations have to be cut and pasted into a Google Docs, at which point they are converted to a GIF file, which all of us know "looks nice" but is generally inaccessible. Well shoot, I had to put that darn "varela" away. Bonking my math wand on Google docs just doesn?t work, doggone it all. There are a couple of problems in converting to EPUB using Google Docs as the formatting engine. First of all there are easier ways to create accessible documents and convert to EPUB format ? Caliber (free) is one among many applications which does a fine job than using Google Docs as the formatting engine. Google Docs is a shell program which makes you think you are working in Microsoft Word when in fact you are not. Which is why MathType doesn't work as efficiently or at all in this arena. What really confuses me is why any of us are even considering using EPUB for math output, when there is such a simple, somewhat direct (simple does not equal easy or fast!) route to take: if you want it to look nice, leave it alone in the PDF file. If it needs to be in text-to-speech, run the PDF through an OCR conversion using Infnty OCR software for the math & either Abbyy Fine Reader or Omnipage for the text portions, save into a Microsoft or a tagged PDF file, and for a student who has a reading disability, use the free CAR reader from Central Washington University, which renders math nicely in text-to-speech. Or for the student who is blind or visually impaired, and needs to use a screen reader such as JAWS or NVDA, retype using MathType. Or, you can convert to LaTex or Nemeth and export to Braille. The CAR text-to-speech reader is not yet available in the iDevice world, but it does nicely in the android and the PC World, providing a good text-to-speech output while sim! ultaneously highlighting the math. This is good learning support for students who have reading disabilities. I am really struggling over why we think that every platform ought to cover every color, shade, and size of disability. Surely, we have learned enough by now to know that you pick the right tool for the job, not the other way around. If you're looking at portability, then by all means make the math look nice on a small screen. But portability is only applicable as an accommodation under certain circumstances, for example, a student who cannot carry all of the books without succumbing to a tipping factor. Or someone who cannot physically turn the pages would benefit from an electronic book format. I have enclosed (below) , a selection from a Google how-to site specifically regarding formatting math in Google Docs: "There is no built-in equation capability in Google Docs Presentations, but you can still use MathType to create equations for your presentations. 1. In MathType, in the Size menu choose Define, and set the font size equal to what you're using in Google Docs. Default font size in Google Docs presentations is 32pt. 2. In MathType's Preferences menu choose Web and GIF Preferences. Leave everything at its default setting except in the center section, click to place a checkmark in the box next to Smooth edges (anti-aliasing). 3. Create your equation and save it to your computer as a GIF image. Use the Save command in the File menu for this, being careful to note where on your computer you saved it (Desktop is convenient). To save as GIF, when the Save As dialog is open, check the Save as type section to make sure it says Graphics Interchange Format. 4. In Google Docs, click the Insert Image icon on the toolbar (or use the menu command), then click Browse to find the image on your computer. When you find it, click Open, then back in the Insert Image dialog, click OK. 5. Move the image into position. The size of the equation should be about right, but if you do need to resize it, drag one of the corners while holding down the Shift key, and it will retain the proper proportion of the equation." Here's the link: https://sites.google.com/a/d219.org/pdc/productivity/mathtype Note: this method is designed for presentations not necessarily EPUB export, but it will not render accessible math in any format. It may render math that will fit on an EPUB page, but that only means it's portable, not accessible. I encourage all of you to please go back to the drawing board and run down 1. Who is your student?; 2. What is the student's disability?; 3. What is the student's preferred electronic text? (PDF, text-to-speech, tagged PDF, LaTex, Nemeth code?; 4. How will they access the text? What equipment or technology do they have? Once you've answered these questions, the route your format takes will become evident. Each one is different, and sadly there is no easy, quick solution for any of this. As always, I am open to input and flogging from the listserv (enlightenment) if my information is not correct. I would love to be updated if there is in fact a route to math accessibility in Google Docs to EPUB. Respectfully, Wink Wink Harner Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training Alternative Text & Media Production The Foreigntype foreigntype@gmail.com winkharner1113@gmail.com (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lisa Brandt Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:00 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns <samanj@pdx.edu> wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe <E.H.Cliffe@bath.ac.uk> wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! 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URL: ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 12:55:45 +0000 From: steve.noble@louisville.edu To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, the most obvious first step is to be sure that both MathType and Duxbury are installed on the same machine, according to http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_math.asp: "If MathType is not loaded on the same computer as DBT, then as DBT imports a Word document containing MathType material, an error message shows up in the DBT file at the location of each piece of mathematical notation in the file." Other than that, there were a number of MathType conversion errors that were fixed in Duxbury 11.3, according to this page: http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbtwhst.asp You might try contacting caryn@duxsys.com or someone else on their support team. Since I don't really use DBT at a personal level, I cannot speak to other possible issues relating to that software. Hope that helps... --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Robert Beach [rbeach@KCKCC.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 10:11 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] MathType problem Hey all, I have a MathType error that I can't figure out. My intern created a math review sheet in Word 2010 using MathType 6.9B. In the past, I was able to open the Word document into Duxbury and convert the math problems without too much trouble. However, this document gives errors on all of the math problems, but the text translates correctly. I tried it on Duxbury 11.1 (at work) and Duxbury 11.2 (at home). With Duxbury 11.1, I get an error that the file is an unsupported format and it doesn't open. At home the document opens but as I said all problems translate into errors. Can anybody give me an idea what to try? I really need to get this going before Thursday since the student has a test Friday and I need to convert it as well as this review sheet. Thanks all! ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Samantha Johns [samanj@pdx.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:31 PM To: Lisa Brandt Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Hello Lisa, Yes I hope they make that a priority as well. [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lisa Brandt > wrote: Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns > wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe > wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.idpf.org_accessibility_guidelines_content_mathml_desc.php&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=nEtawkDp2ik7MSDKS77XfGZzpD783-bYJrX06GUSa-Q&e= ). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 15:01:48 +0000 From: Robert Beach To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A2187@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Steve, Yes, Duxbury is installed on the same machine as Math Type. This system has worked before with producing math content in braille. The only thing that has changed is the machine the Word document was originally created on crashed and had to have a new drive installed. I reinstalled math type on the machine and things seem to be fine. But, when pulling the Word doc that was created on that machine into Duxbury on my machine, I got the math type errors. I brought the file home and tried it on my own personal machine, again with both Math Type and Duxbury installed, and got basically the same results. Thanks for the suggestions. I'll give the links you provided a look over to see if I'm missing something. ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of steve.noble@louisville.edu [steve.noble@louisville.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 6:55 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Well, the most obvious first step is to be sure that both MathType and Duxbury are installed on the same machine, according to http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_math.asp: "If MathType is not loaded on the same computer as DBT, then as DBT imports a Word document containing MathType material, an error message shows up in the DBT file at the location of each piece of mathematical notation in the file." Other than that, there were a number of MathType conversion errors that were fixed in Duxbury 11.3, according to this page: http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbtwhst.asp You might try contacting caryn@duxsys.com or someone else on their support team. Since I don't really use DBT at a personal level, I cannot speak to other possible issues relating to that software. Hope that helps... --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Robert Beach [rbeach@KCKCC.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 10:11 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] MathType problem Hey all, I have a MathType error that I can't figure out. My intern created a math review sheet in Word 2010 using MathType 6.9B. In the past, I was able to open the Word document into Duxbury and convert the math problems without too much trouble. However, this document gives errors on all of the math problems, but the text translates correctly. I tried it on Duxbury 11.1 (at work) and Duxbury 11.2 (at home). With Duxbury 11.1, I get an error that the file is an unsupported format and it doesn't open. At home the document opens but as I said all problems translate into errors. Can anybody give me an idea what to try? I really need to get this going before Thursday since the student has a test Friday and I need to convert it as well as this review sheet. Thanks all! ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Samantha Johns [samanj@pdx.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:31 PM To: Lisa Brandt Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Hello Lisa, Yes I hope they make that a priority as well. [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lisa Brandt > wrote: Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns > wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe > wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.idpf.org_accessibility_guidelines_content_mathml_desc.php&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=nEtawkDp2ik7MSDKS77XfGZzpD783-bYJrX06GUSa-Q&e= ). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 15:51:45 +0000 From: "Mark C. Mintz" To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Robert, Is it the error that puts "[MATHTYPE TRANSLATION ERROR]" or something like that instead of the equation? Though I'm not really sure all of the reason behind it, I've found it is usually the caused by rogue spaces in the mathtype. My student worker sometimes causes this by copying from the original pdf and pasting into mathtype then fix the formatting. Usually I can fix it by arrowing through the whole equation to find the space. If that doesn't work, you can tell which equations are having issues, so recreate those equations manually. I'm pretty sure the problem is a character in the math that Duxbury just can't figure out what to do with, and instead of ignoring (as most programs would) it throws an error, which is good because then you know something will be wonky with the braille if you create it as is. Lately I've also started looking at the latex (Toggle TeX in the mathtype tab) to troubleshoot. You can usually tell if something looks wrong. Good luck, Mark Mintz Alt Media Specialist Pasadena City College Room D201A 626-585-7107 X7107 -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 7:02 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Hello Steve, Yes, Duxbury is installed on the same machine as Math Type. This system has worked before with producing math content in braille. The only thing that has changed is the machine the Word document was originally created on crashed and had to have a new drive installed. I reinstalled math type on the machine and things seem to be fine. But, when pulling the Word doc that was created on that machine into Duxbury on my machine, I got the math type errors. I brought the file home and tried it on my own personal machine, again with both Math Type and Duxbury installed, and got basically the same results. Thanks for the suggestions. I'll give the links you provided a look over to see if I'm missing something. ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of steve.noble@louisville.edu [steve.noble@louisville.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 6:55 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Well, the most obvious first step is to be sure that both MathType and Duxbury are installed on the same machine, according to http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_math.asp: "If MathType is not loaded on the same computer as DBT, then as DBT imports a Word document containing MathType material, an error message shows up in the DBT file at the location of each piece of mathematical notation in the file." Other than that, there were a number of MathType conversion errors that were fixed in Duxbury 11.3, according to this page: http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbtwhst.asp You might try contacting caryn@duxsys.com or someone else on their support team. Since I don't really use DBT at a personal level, I cannot speak to other possible issues relating to that software. Hope that helps... --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Robert Beach [rbeach@KCKCC.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 10:11 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] MathType problem Hey all, I have a MathType error that I can't figure out. My intern created a math review sheet in Word 2010 using MathType 6.9B. In the past, I was able to open the Word document into Duxbury and convert the math problems without too much trouble. However, this document gives errors on all of the math problems, but the text translates correctly. I tried it on Duxbury 11.1 (at work) and Duxbury 11.2 (at home). With Duxbury 11.1, I get an error that the file is an unsupported format and it doesn't open. At home the document opens but as I said all problems translate into errors. Can anybody give me an idea what to try? I really need to get this going before Thursday since the student has a test Friday and I need to convert it as well as this review sheet. Thanks all! ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Samantha Johns [samanj@pdx.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:31 PM To: Lisa Brandt Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Hello Lisa, Yes I hope they make that a priority as well. [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lisa Brandt > wrote: Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns > wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe > wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.idpf.org_accessibility_guidelines_content_mathml_desc.php&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=nEtawkDp2ik7MSDKS77XfGZzpD783-bYJrX06GUSa-Q&e= ). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2016 16:15:43 +0000 From: Todd Schwanke To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Robert: Some things to check or try (you may have done some of these already) to try to narrow down whether it is the software, the file, or the equation editing the intern is doing. * Rerun Word documents that you had previously run through successfully to see if they work and if the problem is specific to this document. * If it is saved as a .docx, save as a .doc and vice versa, and then try to convert again. * Was the new file in question created with a 64 bit version of Word rather than a 32 bit? * If you haven't already, try creating a new Word document with a simple equation on the machine that you are using for the conversion, and then process that. If it is successful, then recreate a couple of equations from the math review sheet from scratch and see if they convert. If that is successful, then break the review sheet down into smaller pieces and see if chunks of it work. If that doesn't work but a new document does, then you may be able to copy some of the Latex code into a new document to see if you can save some of the equation work and get them to convert. Todd Schwanke UW-Madison -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 9:02 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Hello Steve, Yes, Duxbury is installed on the same machine as Math Type. This system has worked before with producing math content in braille. The only thing that has changed is the machine the Word document was originally created on crashed and had to have a new drive installed. I reinstalled math type on the machine and things seem to be fine. But, when pulling the Word doc that was created on that machine into Duxbury on my machine, I got the math type errors. I brought the file home and tried it on my own personal machine, again with both Math Type and Duxbury installed, and got basically the same results. Thanks for the suggestions. I'll give the links you provided a look over to see if I'm missing something. ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of steve.noble@louisville.edu [steve.noble@louisville.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 6:55 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem Well, the most obvious first step is to be sure that both MathType and Duxbury are installed on the same machine, according to http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_math.asp: "If MathType is not loaded on the same computer as DBT, then as DBT imports a Word document containing MathType material, an error message shows up in the DBT file at the location of each piece of mathematical notation in the file." Other than that, there were a number of MathType conversion errors that were fixed in Duxbury 11.3, according to this page: http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbtwhst.asp You might try contacting caryn@duxsys.com or someone else on their support team. Since I don't really use DBT at a personal level, I cannot speak to other possible issues relating to that software. Hope that helps... --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Robert Beach [rbeach@KCKCC.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 10:11 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] MathType problem Hey all, I have a MathType error that I can't figure out. My intern created a math review sheet in Word 2010 using MathType 6.9B. In the past, I was able to open the Word document into Duxbury and convert the math problems without too much trouble. However, this document gives errors on all of the math problems, but the text translates correctly. I tried it on Duxbury 11.1 (at work) and Duxbury 11.2 (at home). With Duxbury 11.1, I get an error that the file is an unsupported format and it doesn't open. At home the document opens but as I said all problems translate into errors. Can anybody give me an idea what to try? I really need to get this going before Thursday since the student has a test Friday and I need to convert it as well as this review sheet. Thanks all! ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Samantha Johns [samanj@pdx.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:31 PM To: Lisa Brandt Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Hello Lisa, Yes I hope they make that a priority as well. [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lisa Brandt > wrote: Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns > wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe > wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.idpf.org_accessibility_guidelines_content_mathml_desc.php&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=nEtawkDp2ik7MSDKS77XfGZzpD783-bYJrX06GUSa-Q&e= ). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! [https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__dl.dropboxusercontent.com_u_329486_OAI-5FSigPic.png&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=78AdPi1SyL29j7NnpxFGICOKUkWg-HQVocSl1j2t_p0&e= ] Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 -- _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= -- -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=DFVZem6pqYc7WZb209N4tcqPLxWM9ttGmNErQiD22wU&e= _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2016 09:40:51 -0800 From: Samantha Johns To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello, Math is a complex area for me, but I do think that any authoring software should be robust and include all accessibility conventions. This is especially important for Universal Design as applies to Instructors, Librarians, and many others authoring content digitally. Most people will not take the time to do an unreasonable amount of steps while authoring material, the more developers build and code for accessibility the better. Have a great day, * * *Samantha Johns* *Accessibility & **Course Support Specialist * Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Emma Cliffe wrote: > > Hello, > > I am not sure what this has to do with MathType? I typed (and edited via > keyboard) the equations directly in the Google Doc (document, not > presentation) via the web interface and using the inbuilt equation editor. > This uses a LaTeX type structured format - similar to typing equations > directly into a Word document. Hence I know that the document contains the > structure of the equation - it is rendered directly so there is almost > certainly a mark up language involved somewhere. > > In fact we can confirm this as the export mechanism for docx format from > Google Docs produces OMML and so the equations are preserved in docx. Since > OMML can be transformed to MathML via stylesheets they do effectively have > the MathML but have chosen not to insert this into the EPub. They also have > the LaTeX like linear format I typed which they have chosen not to retain > in the document to preserve the equation and which they have chosen not to > insert as an alt tag where they are generating images. The images which are > generated could have been SVG which would at least have scaled well. > > The reasons I care: > * I think it is reasonable to expect that text content (equations are > text!) I type into a document is not thrown away without warning when I > export that document to another format (I would expect to see the linear > format even in the .txt export - why not?). These types of lossy > conversions are how we end up with incomplete, inaccessible, poor quality > or unusable scientific or mathematical documents in the first place. Maths > students and staff I work with certainly see equations as text, > particularly if they typed the equation, and they expect tools, > conversions, exports etc. to work with them as if they were text. > > * As Lisa said, if Google using EPub builds widespread buy in or helps to > then I would like that buy in to include scientific and mathematical > content and the tools to appropriately create and render it well for all. > This sort of poor quality output is more likely to build the idea that EPub > is not suitable for this content when in fact it is. > > * Students use Google docs to collaborate on documents including > scientific and mathematical content. This may not be sensible but it tends > to happen (I have done this myself and then wished I could get anything > which wasn't docx out of it). They sometimes then ask how they might export > that document for their own purposes afterwards. Since all the export > formats except docx currently throw away equation content I had hoped that > EPub would provide another option. Now I know I should advise them that > they must store and use docx and then do any transforms they want/need from > there. If they are aiming for an e-book format, for whatever reason, this > adds extra levels of conversion and every conversion of mathematical > content introduces the risk of error. > > I am fully aware of the methods mentioned below and I certainly wouldn't > use Google docs as a formatting engine when creating accessible documents. > However, when the document is already in that format and a student asks how > to independently proceed from there it is helpful to be able to advise > appropriately. > > Best wishes, > Emma > > Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer > University of Bath > > On 08/03/16 22:40, Wink Harner wrote: > > Hi ATHENITES, > > > > Today, I am masquerading as the magic math fairy. Waving my magic wand, > I'm going to bonk on the Google Docs export to EPUB icon.**BING!** Whoops, > Math Type equations have to be cut and pasted into a Google Docs, at which > point they are converted to a GIF file, which all of us know "looks nice" > but is generally inaccessible. Well shoot, I had to put that darn "varela" > away. Bonking my math wand on Google docs just doesn?t work, doggone it > all. > > > > There are a couple of problems in converting to EPUB using Google Docs as > the formatting engine. First of all there are easier ways to create > accessible documents and convert to EPUB format ? Caliber (free) is one > among many applications which does a fine job than using Google Docs as the > formatting engine. Google Docs is a shell program which makes you think you > are working in Microsoft Word when in fact you are not. Which is why > MathType doesn't work as efficiently or at all in this arena. > > > > What really confuses me is why any of us are even considering using EPUB > for math output, when there is such a simple, somewhat direct (simple does > not equal easy or fast!) route to take: if you want it to look nice, leave > it alone in the PDF file. If it needs to be in text-to-speech, run the PDF > through an OCR conversion using Infnty OCR software for the math & either > Abbyy Fine Reader or Omnipage for the text portions, save into a Microsoft > or a tagged PDF file, and for a student who has a reading disability, use > the free CAR reader from Central Washington University, which renders math > nicely in text-to-speech. Or for the student who is blind or visually > impaired, and needs to use a screen reader such as JAWS or NVDA, retype > using MathType. Or, you can convert to LaTex or Nemeth and export to > Braille. The CAR text-to-speech reader is not yet available in the iDevice > world, but it does nicely in the android and the PC World, providing a good > text-to-speech output while simultaneously highlighting the math. This is > good learning support for students who have reading disabilities. > > > > I am really struggling over why we think that every platform ought to > cover every color, shade, and size of disability. Surely, we have learned > enough by now to know that you pick the right tool for the job, not the > other way around. > > > > If you're looking at portability, then by all means make the math look > nice on a small screen. But portability is only applicable as an > accommodation under certain circumstances, for example, a student who > cannot carry all of the books without succumbing to a tipping factor. Or > someone who cannot physically turn the pages would benefit from an > electronic book format. > > > > I have enclosed (below) , a selection from a Google how-to site > specifically regarding formatting math in Google Docs: > > > "There is no built-in equation capability in Google Docs Presentations, > but you can still use MathType to create equations for your presentations. > > 1. In MathType, in the* Size* menu choose* Define*, and set the font > size equal to what you're using in Google Docs. Default font size in Google > Docs presentations is 32pt. > 2. In MathType's *Preferences* menu choose *Web and GIF Preferences*. > Leave everything at its default setting except in the center section, click > to place a checkmark in the box next to *Smooth edges (anti-aliasing)*. > 3. Create your equation and save it to your computer as a GIF image. > Use the *Save* command in the *File *menu for this, being careful to > note where on your computer you saved it (Desktop is convenient). To save > as GIF, when the *Save As* dialog is open, check the* Save as type* > section to make sure it says* Graphics Interchange Format*. > 4. In Google Docs, click the *Insert Image* icon on the toolbar (or > use the menu command), then click *Browse* to find the image on your > computer. When you find it, click *Open*, then back in the *Insert > Image* dialog, click *OK*. > 5. Move the image into position. The size of the equation should be > about right, but if you do need to resize it, drag one of the corners *while > holding down the Shift key*, and it will retain the proper proportion > of the equation." > > Here's the link: > > https://sites.google.com/a/d219.org/pdc/productivity/mathtype > > Note: this method is designed for presentations not necessarily EPUB > export, but it will not render accessible math in any format. It may render > math that will fit on an EPUB page, but that only means it's portable, not > accessible. > > I encourage all of you to please go back to the drawing board and run down > 1. Who is your student?; 2. What is the student's disability?; 3. What is > the student's preferred electronic text? (PDF, text-to-speech, tagged PDF, > LaTex, Nemeth code?; 4. How will they access the text? What equipment or > technology do they have? Once you've answered these questions, the route > your format takes will become evident. Each one is different, and sadly > there is no easy, quick solution for any of this. > > As always, I am open to input and flogging from the listserv > (enlightenment) if my information is not correct. I would love to be > updated if there is in fact a route to math accessibility in Google Docs to > EPUB. > > Respectfully, > > Wink > > Wink Harner > > Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training > > Alternative Text & Media Production > > The Foreigntype > > > > foreigntype@gmail.com > > winkharner1113@gmail.com > > > > (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please > forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu > ] *On Behalf Of *Lisa > Brandt > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:00 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs > > > > Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a > priority. > > > > > > On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns < > samanj@pdx.edu> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this > format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. > > > > I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text > for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt > Text. So that's a plus! > > > *[image: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png]* > > > *Samantha Johns* > > *Accessibility & Course Support Specialist * > > Portland State University > > 1825 SW Broadway > > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe < > E.H.Cliffe@bath.ac.uk> wrote: > > > Hello, > > Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full > test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the > EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images > (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means > that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow > badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. > > This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with > SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 > http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I > didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more > complex structural elements though. > > Best wishes, > Emma Cliffe > > Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer > University of Bath > > > > On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: > > Hello Athen Community, > > > > As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to > Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this > and recommendations? > > > > Have a great day! > > > *[image: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/329486/OAI_SigPic.png]* > > > *Samantha Johns* > > *Accessibility & Course Support Specialist * > > Portland State University > > 1825 SW Broadway > > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > -- > > -- > Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services > Accessibility Technician > Alternate Media Formats Technician > SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 > > Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: > access-tech-group@pcc.edu > 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) > > > -- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:48:11 -0800 From: "Lisa Brandt" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" ,"Samantha Johns" Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" I think we should all probably be cutting and pasting these messages into Google's "Send Feedback" form. Lisa On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:40:51 -0800, Samantha Johns wrote: > Hello, > > Math is a complex area for me, but I do think that any authoring > software should be robust and include all accessibility conventions. > This is especially important for >Universal Design as applies to > Instructors, Librarians, and many others authoring content digitally. > Most people will not take the time to do an unreasonable amount >of > steps while authoring material, the more developers build and code for > accessibility the better. > Have a great day, > > > > > > > > > Samantha Johns > > Accessibility & Course Support Specialist > Portland State University > 1825 SW Broadway > Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 > Portland OR 97201 > (503) 725-2754 > > > > >> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Emma Cliffe >> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I am not sure what this has to do with MathType? I typed (and edited >> via keyboard) the equations directly in the Google Doc (document, not >> presentation) via the >>web interface and using the inbuilt equation >> editor. This uses a LaTeX type structured format - similar to typing >> equations directly into a Word document. Hence I >>know that the >> document contains the structure of the equation - it is rendered >> directly so there is almost certainly a mark up language involved >> somewhere. >> In fact we can confirm this as the export mechanism for docx format >> from Google Docs produces OMML and so the equations are preserved in >> docx. Since OMML >>can be transformed to MathML via stylesheets they do >> effectively have the MathML but have chosen not to insert this into the >> EPub. They also have the LaTeX like >>linear format I typed which they >> have chosen not to retain in the document to preserve the equation and >> which they have chosen not to insert as an alt tag where >>they are >> generating images. The images which are generated could have been SVG >> which would at least have scaled well. >> The reasons I care: >> * I think it is reasonable to expect that text content (equations are >> text!) I type into a document is not thrown away without warning when I >> export that document to >>another format (I would expect to see the >> linear format even in the .txt export - why not?). These types of lossy >> conversions are how we end up with incomplete, >>inaccessible, poor >> quality or unusable scientific or mathematical documents in the first >> place. Maths students and staff I work with certainly see equations as >> text, >>particularly if they typed the equation, and they expect tools, >> conversions, exports etc. to work with them as if they were text. >> * As Lisa said, if Google using EPub builds widespread buy in or helps >> to then I would like that buy in to include scientific and mathematical >> content and the tools >>to appropriately create and render it well for >> all. This sort of poor quality output is more likely to build the idea >> that EPub is not suitable for this content when in fact >>it is. >> * Students use Google docs to collaborate on documents including >> scientific and mathematical content. This may not be sensible but it >> tends to happen (I have >>done this myself and then wished I could get >> anything which wasn't docx out of it). They sometimes then ask how they >> might export that document for their own >>purposes afterwards. Since >> all the export formats except docx currently throw away equation >> content I had hoped that EPub would provide another option. Now I >> >>know I should advise them that they must store and use docx and then >> do any transforms they want/need from there. If they are aiming for an >> e-book format, for >>whatever reason, this adds extra levels of >> conversion and every conversion of mathematical content introduces the >> risk of error. >> I am fully aware of the methods mentioned below and I certainly >> wouldn't use Google docs as a formatting engine when creating >> accessible documents. However, >>when the document is already in that >> format and a student asks how to independently proceed from there it is >> helpful to be able to advise appropriately. >> Best wishes, >> Emma >> >> Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer >> University of Bath >> >> On 08/03/16 22:40, Wink Harner wrote: >>> >>> Hi ATHENITES, >>> >>> >>> Today, I am masquerading as the magic math fairy. Waving my magic >>> wand, I'm going to bonk on the Google Docs export to EPUB >>> >>>icon.**BING!** Whoops, Math Type equations have to be cut and >>> pasted into a Google Docs, at which point they are converted to a >>> >>>GIF file, which all of us know "looks nice" but is generally >>> inaccessible. Well shoot, I had to put that darn "varela" away. >>> Bonking my >>>math wand on Google docs just doesn?t work, doggone it >>> all. >>> >>> There are a couple of problems in converting to EPUB using Google Docs >>> as the formatting engine. First of all there are easier ways to >>> >>>create accessible documents and convert to EPUB format ? Caliber >>> (free) is one among many applications which does a fine job than >>> >>>using Google Docs as the formatting engine. Google Docs is a shell >>> program which makes you think you are working in Microsoft >>>Word >>> when in fact you are not. Which is why MathType doesn't work as >>> efficiently or at all in this arena. >>> >>> What really confuses me is why any of us are even considering using >>> EPUB for math output, when there is such a simple, somewhat >>>direct >>> (simple does not equal easy or fast!) route to take: if you want it to >>> look nice, leave it alone in the PDF file. If it needs to be in >>> >>>text-to-speech, run the PDF through an OCR conversion using Infnty >>> OCR software for the math & either Abbyy Fine Reader or >>>Omnipage >>> for the text portions, save into a Microsoft or a tagged PDF file, and >>> for a student who has a reading disability, use the free >>>CAR reader >>> from Central Washington University, which renders math nicely in >>> text-to-speech. Or for the student who is blind or >>>visually >>> impaired, and needs to use a screen reader such as JAWS or NVDA, >>> retype using MathType. Or, you can convert to LaTex or >>>Nemeth and >>> export to Braille. The CAR text-to-speech reader is not yet available >>> in the iDevice world, but it does nicely in the android >>>and the PC >>> World, providing a good text-to-speech output while simultaneously >>> highlighting the math. This is good learning support >>>for students >>> who have reading disabilities. >>> >>> >>> I am really struggling over why we think that every platform ought to >>> cover every color, shade, and size of disability. Surely, we have >>> >>>learned enough by now to know that you pick the right tool for the >>> job, not the other way around. >>> >>> >>> If you're looking at portability, then by all means make the math look >>> nice on a small screen. But portability is only applicable as an >>> >>>accommodation under certain circumstances, for example, a student >>> who cannot carry all of the books without succumbing to a >>>tipping >>> factor. Or someone who cannot physically turn the pages would benefit >>> from an electronic book format. >>> >>> I have enclosed (below) , a selection from a Google how-to site >>> specifically regarding formatting math in Google Docs: >>> >>>"There is no built-in equation capability in Google Docs >>> Presentations, but you can still use MathType to create equations for >>> your >>>presentations. >>> In MathType, in the Size menu choose Define, and set the font size >>> equal to what you're using in Google Docs. Default font size in Google >>> >>>Docs presentations is 32pt.In MathType's Preferences menu choose >>> Web and GIF Preferences. Leave everything at its default setting >>> except in the center section, >>>click to place a checkmark in the box >>> next to Smooth edges (anti-aliasing).Create your equation and save it >>> to your computer as a GIF image. Use the Save command in the File menu >>> for this, being careful to note >>>where on your computer you saved it >>> (Desktop is convenient). To save as GIF, when the Save As dialog is >>> open, check the Save as type >>>section to make sure it says Graphics >>> Interchange Format.In Google Docs, click the Insert Image icon on the >>> toolbar (or use the menu command), then click Browse to find the image >>> on your >>>computer. When you find it, click Open, then back in the >>> Insert Image dialog, click OK.Move the image into position. The size >>> of the equation should be about right, but if you do need to resize >>> it, drag one of the corners while >>>holding down the Shift key, and >>> it will retain the proper proportion of the equation." >>> Here's the link: >>> https://sites.google.com/a/d219.org/pdc/productivity/mathtype >>> >>> Note: this method is designed for presentations not necessarily EPUB >>> export, but it will not render accessible math in any format. It >>> >>>may render math that will fit on an EPUB page, but that only means >>> it's portable, not accessible. >>> >>> I encourage all of you to please go back to the drawing board and run >>> down 1. Who is your student?; 2. What is the student's >>>disability?; >>> 3. What is the student's preferred electronic text? (PDF, >>> text-to-speech, tagged PDF, LaTex, Nemeth code?; 4. How will >>>they >>> access the text? What equipment or technology do they have? Once >>> you've answered these questions, the route your format >>>takes will >>> become evident. Each one is different, and sadly there is no easy, >>> quick solution for any of this. >>> As always, I am open to input and flogging from the listserv >>> (enlightenment) if my information is not correct. I would love to be >>> >>>updated if there is in fact a route to math accessibility in Google >>> Docs to EPUB. >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> >>> Wink >>> >>> Wink Harner >>> >>> Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training >>> >>> Alternative Text & Media Production >>> >>> The Foreigntype >>> >>> >>> foreigntype@gmail.com >>> >>> winkharner1113@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. >>> Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: athen-list >>> [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of >>> Lisa Brandt >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:00 PM >>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns >>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs >>> >>> >>> Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make >>> that a priority. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to >>>> this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support >>>> >>>>math equations. >>>> >>>> >>>> I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt >>>> text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and >>>> >>>>read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> Samantha Johns >>>> >>>> Accessibility & Course Support Specialist >>>> Portland State University >>>> >>>> 1825 SW Broadway >>>> >>>> Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 >>>> Portland OR 97201 >>>> (503) 725-2754 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have >>>> full test software here at home but from what I could see from >>>> >>>>unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations >>>> are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without >>>> >>>>alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well >>>> (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to >>>> be read >>>>aloud. >>>> This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML >>>> with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 >>>> http://www.idpf.org/>>>>accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). >>>> I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other >>>> more complex >>>>structural elements though. >>>> Best wishes, >>>> Emma Cliffe >>>> >>>> Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer >>>> University of Bath >>>> >>>> >>>> On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Athen Community, >>>>> >>>>> As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to >>>>> export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think >>>>>about >>>>> the benefits of this and recommendations? >>>>> >>>>> Have a great day! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Samantha Johns >>>>> >>>>> Accessibility & Course Support Specialist >>>>> Portland State University >>>>> >>>>> 1825 SW Broadway >>>>> >>>>> Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 >>>>> Portland OR 97201 >>>>> (503) 725-2754 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> athen-list mailing list >>>> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >>>> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>> -- >>> Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services >>> Accessibility Technician >>> Alternate Media Formats Technician >>> SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 >>> >>> Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: >>> access-tech-group@pcc.edu >>> 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) >> >> -- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support and Appointments: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The initial conversation with the student is a powerful tool in acquiring the information necessary for decision-making and often sets the tone for the student's perception of the disability resource office. In this session, the facilitators will discuss strategies and provide a model for the student interview process that uses self-report, professional judgment, and third-party documentation to focus on barrier removal in physical and virtual environments and create a campus culture of access and inclusion. Audience: All Cost for ATHEN Members to attend this and any of the other AHEAD Webinar sessions (http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/at_webinars_15_16 or http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/webinars) is the same as AHEAD members. When registering for the webinar, choose the option for "I qualify for AHEAD member rates" to get your discount! We hope you take advantage of this benefit! 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From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lisa Brandt Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 9:48 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs I think we should all probably be cutting and pasting these messages into Google's "Send Feedback" form. Lisa On Wed, 09 Mar 2016 09:40:51 -0800, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello, Math is a complex area for me, but I do think that any authoring software should be robust and include all accessibility conventions. This is especially important for Universal Design as applies to Instructors, Librarians, and many others authoring content digitally. Most people will not take the time to do an unreasonable amount of steps while authoring material, the more developers build and code for accessibility the better. Have a great day, Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Emma Cliffe wrote: Hello, I am not sure what this has to do with MathType? I typed (and edited via keyboard) the equations directly in the Google Doc (document, not presentation) via the web interface and using the inbuilt equation editor. This uses a LaTeX type structured format - similar to typing equations directly into a Word document. Hence I know that the document contains the structure of the equation - it is rendered directly so there is almost certainly a mark up language involved somewhere. In fact we can confirm this as the export mechanism for docx format from Google Docs produces OMML and so the equations are preserved in docx. Since OMML can be transformed to MathML via stylesheets they do effectively have the MathML but have chosen not to insert this into the EPub. They also have the LaTeX like linear format I typed which they have chosen not to retain in the document to preserve the equation and which they have chosen not to insert as an alt tag where they are generating images. The images which are generated could have been SVG which would at least have scaled well. The reasons I care: * I think it is reasonable to expect that text content (equations are text!) I type into a document is not thrown away without warning when I export that document to another format (I would expect to see the linear format even in the .txt export - why not?). These types of lossy conversions are how we end up with incomplete, inaccessible, poor quality or unusable scientific or mathematical documents in the first place. Maths students and staff I work with certainly see equations as text, particularly if they typed the equation, and they expect tools, conversions, exports etc. to work with them as if they were text. * As Lisa said, if Google using EPub builds widespread buy in or helps to then I would like that buy in to include scientific and mathematical content and the tools to appropriately create and render it well for all. This sort of poor quality output is more likely to build the idea that EPub is not suitable for this content when in fact it is. * Students use Google docs to collaborate on documents including scientific and mathematical content. This may not be sensible but it tends to happen (I have done this myself and then wished I could get anything which wasn't docx out of it). They sometimes then ask how they might export that document for their own purposes afterwards. Since all the export formats except docx currently throw away equation content I had hoped that EPub would provide another option. Now I know I should advise them that they must store and use docx and then do any transforms they want/need from there. If they are aiming for an e-book format, for whatever reason, this adds extra levels of conversion and every conversion of mathematical content introduces the risk of error. I am fully aware of the methods mentioned below and I certainly wouldn't use Google docs as a formatting engine when creating accessible documents. However, when the document is already in that format and a student asks how to independently proceed from there it is helpful to be able to advise appropriately. Best wishes, Emma Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 22:40, Wink Harner wrote: Hi ATHENITES, Today, I am masquerading as the magic math fairy. Waving my magic wand, I'm going to bonk on the Google Docs export to EPUB icon.**BING!** Whoops, Math Type equations have to be cut and pasted into a Google Docs, at which point they are converted to a GIF file, which all of us know "looks nice" but is generally inaccessible. Well shoot, I had to put that darn "varela" away. Bonking my math wand on Google docs just doesn?t work, doggone it all. There are a couple of problems in converting to EPUB using Google Docs as the formatting engine. First of all there are easier ways to create accessible documents and convert to EPUB format ? Caliber (free) is one among many applications which does a fine job than using Google Docs as the formatting engine. Google Docs is a shell program which makes you think you are working in Microsoft Word when in fact you are not. Which is why MathType doesn't work as efficiently or at all in this arena. What really confuses me is why any of us are even considering using EPUB for math output, when there is such a simple, somewhat direct (simple does not equal easy or fast!) route to take: if you want it to look nice, leave it alone in the PDF file. If it needs to be in text-to-speech, run the PDF through an OCR conversion using Infnty OCR software for the math & either Abbyy Fine Reader or Omnipage for the text portions, save into a Microsoft or a tagged PDF file, and for a student who has a reading disability, use the free CAR reader from Central Washington University, which renders math nicely in text-to-speech. Or for the student who is blind or visually impaired, and needs to use a screen reader such as JAWS or NVDA, retype using MathType. Or, you can convert to LaTex or Nemeth and export to Braille. The CAR text-to-speech reader is not yet available in the iDevice world, but it does nicely in the android and the PC World, providing a good text-to-speech output while sim! ultaneously highlighting the math. This is good learning support for students who have reading disabilities. I am really struggling over why we think that every platform ought to cover every color, shade, and size of disability. Surely, we have learned enough by now to know that you pick the right tool for the job, not the other way around. If you're looking at portability, then by all means make the math look nice on a small screen. But portability is only applicable as an accommodation under certain circumstances, for example, a student who cannot carry all of the books without succumbing to a tipping factor. Or someone who cannot physically turn the pages would benefit from an electronic book format. I have enclosed (below) , a selection from a Google how-to site specifically regarding formatting math in Google Docs: "There is no built-in equation capability in Google Docs Presentations, but you can still use MathType to create equations for your presentations. 1. In MathType, in the Size menu choose Define, and set the font size equal to what you're using in Google Docs. Default font size in Google Docs presentations is 32pt. 2. In MathType's Preferences menu choose Web and GIF Preferences. Leave everything at its default setting except in the center section, click to place a checkmark in the box next to Smooth edges (anti-aliasing). 3. Create your equation and save it to your computer as a GIF image. Use the Save command in the File menu for this, being careful to note where on your computer you saved it (Desktop is convenient). To save as GIF, when the Save As dialog is open, check the Save as type section to make sure it says Graphics Interchange Format. 4. In Google Docs, click the Insert Image icon on the toolbar (or use the menu command), then click Browse to find the image on your computer. When you find it, click Open, then back in the Insert Image dialog, click OK. 5. Move the image into position. The size of the equation should be about right, but if you do need to resize it, drag one of the corners while holding down the Shift key, and it will retain the proper proportion of the equation." Here's the link: https://sites.google.com/a/d219.org/pdc/productivity/mathtype Note: this method is designed for presentations not necessarily EPUB export, but it will not render accessible math in any format. It may render math that will fit on an EPUB page, but that only means it's portable, not accessible. I encourage all of you to please go back to the drawing board and run down 1. Who is your student?; 2. What is the student's disability?; 3. What is the student's preferred electronic text? (PDF, text-to-speech, tagged PDF, LaTex, Nemeth code?; 4. How will they access the text? What equipment or technology do they have? Once you've answered these questions, the route your format takes will become evident. Each one is different, and sadly there is no easy, quick solution for any of this. As always, I am open to input and flogging from the listserv (enlightenment) if my information is not correct. I would love to be updated if there is in fact a route to math accessibility in Google Docs to EPUB. Respectfully, Wink Wink Harner Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training Alternative Text & Media Production The Foreigntype foreigntype@gmail.com winkharner1113@gmail.com (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lisa Brandt Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:00 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; Samantha Johns Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority. On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello, Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations. I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus! Samantha Johns Accessibility & Course Support Specialist Portland State University 1825 SW Broadway Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209 Portland OR 97201 (503) 725-2754 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe wrote: Hello, Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud. This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 http://www.idpf.org/accessibility/guidelines/content/mathml/desc.php). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though. Best wishes, Emma Cliffe Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer University of Bath On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote: Hello Athen Community, As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations? Have a great day! 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Will also serve as a liaison with Student Disability Services, IS&T, Office of General Counsel, Human Resources, and Office of Digital Learning with regard to IT accessibility requests and coordinating related MIT ADA compliance. Characteristic Duties: * Manage the Accessibility and Usability team * Coordinate IT-related accommodations for individuals with Student Disability Services or HR Disability Services by making decisions regarding what hardware, software, accessibility reviews, redevelopment, or remediation of IT is required * Lead and manage accessible course materials acquisition and delivery services for MIT students. * Lead accessibility consulting, design and code checks, reviews, and tool evaluations * Oversee and participate in data gathering projects to assess user characteristics, requirements, needs, goals, and opportunities related the products and services * Research new trends in policy, mandates, processes, testing tools, and trends to incorporate accessibility and usability into existing and developing Institute processes * Provide education and outreach on accessibility and usability best practices to the MIT community Requirements: * Master?s degree in computer science or information systems * Five years of relevant accessibility and usability work experience * Experience leading and managing teams * Thorough knowledge of the federal disability mandates and other relevant laws and guidance (Section 504, ADA Title III, TEACH Act) applicable to technology accessibility and tools provided in higher education * Knowledge and understanding of the W3C WAI WCAG 2.0 Standards and industry usability standards and methodologies * Deep working knowledge of the scope of available assistive technologies and how they interact with web, desktop, and mobile products and services * Ability to readily adapt to changing demands and needs of the MIT community and to effectively handle and prioritize competing demands * Excellent time management and organizational skills Interested candidates may apply online at http://jobs.mit.edu/. Please reference job number 13181 and indicate where you saw this posting. MIT is an equal employment opportunity employer. All qualified applicants will receive consideration for employment and will not be discriminated against on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, veteran status, or disability. ? Mary J. Ziegler Program Manager for Online Accessibility MIT Office of Digital Learning maryz@mit.edu 617-258-9328 ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list ------------------------------ End of athen-list Digest, Vol 122, Issue 6 ****************************************** [University of St. Thomas : All for the Common Good] _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From dina.rosenbaum at carroll.org Thu Mar 10 06:12:22 2016 From: dina.rosenbaum at carroll.org (Dina Rosenbaum) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Free Online Accessibility Webinar Message-ID: <1cb3a5c96180485b3920617cbf7de520@mail.gmail.com> Higher Education: A Partnership in Online Accessibility Northern Essex Community College and Quincy College partnered with the Carroll Center for the Blind in their quest to achieve online excellence: This 60-minute webinar will highlight their journey. In this webinar, you will learn how two Massachusetts colleges worked with the Carroll Center for the Blind to achieve a higher level of digital accessibility for their students. With the assistance of grant funding from the Gibney Family Foundation, Quincy College and Northern Essex Community College partnered with the Carroll Center to identify all of the online interactions these colleges have with their students. This digital content was evaluated and tested to discover whether students with disabilities can independently perform required online functions. Throughout this year-long process, the Carroll Center analyzed where each college met or exceeded expectations and assisted them to identify where improvements could be made. The colleges learned where they can improve accessibility themselves, where they will need to advocate for improvements from third party digital product vendors with whom they contract, and where individualized accommodations will still be required to ensure each student's success. This webinar will tell you the story of why it matters, where the greatest challenges occurred, and what the outcomes were for each of these colleges. When: March 17, 2016 from 11:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. EST Register now at: http://carroll.org/2016/03/higher-education-a-partnership-in-online-access ibility/ Dina Rosenbaum, M.Ed., Chief Program Officer Carroll Center for the Blind 770 Centre Street Newton, MA 02458 dina.rosenbaum@carroll.org | http://carroll.org Phone: (617) 969-6200, x238 | Fax: (617) 969-6204 From SolowoniukR at macewan.ca Thu Mar 10 07:58:40 2016 From: SolowoniukR at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Jaws with SPSS Message-ID: <56E13740020000EC00045370@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> Hi all, Does anyone know if Jaws works well, or at all, with the stats program, SPSS? If so, what version of Jaws? Thanks for any information on this. Best regards, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. From hascherdss at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 08:07:12 2016 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Duxbury and document page number defaults Message-ID: Hello Duxbury experts! I'm having an issue with my recent upgrade to Duxbury 11.3. In version 11.2 and previous, I had a default document page number set for all documents that were opened. The default settings are: Page numbering for even pages: upper right Page numbering for odd pages: upper right Reference Page Numbering for Even pages: None Reference Page Numbering for Odd pages: None Since I only emboss tests, these are the settings that our students prefer. On my computer for braille embossing, I'm still running 11.2. But on my computer for preparing and translating, I'm using 11.3. On my 11.3 version, I can't figure out how to set the defaults as noted above so they will apply to every document I open. Instead, I am having to set the document page number specifications on every document. Obviously, I'm missing something! Anyone know how I can set the global defaults to the page number?? Kind regards to all, Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas ARKU 209 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 479.575.7445 fax 479.575.3646 tdd +++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bshimmin at bakersfieldcollege.edu Thu Mar 10 08:06:04 2016 From: bshimmin at bakersfieldcollege.edu (Bob Shimmin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Jaws with SPSS In-Reply-To: <56E13740020000EC00045370@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> References: <56E13740020000EC00045370@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> Message-ID: <134C9C709D141E4580137CD3B4F451E315A3FC09@EX02.college.kernccd.net> We are on version 23 of SPSS and version 17 of Jaws and they do not work together. Bob Shimmin Bakersfield College Systems Support Specialist To submit a helpdesk ticket click the link below. http://support.kccd.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:59 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Jaws with SPSS Hi all, Does anyone know if Jaws works well, or at all, with the stats program, SPSS? If so, what version of Jaws? Thanks for any information on this. Best regards, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu Thu Mar 10 10:01:44 2016 From: Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu (Joseph Sherman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Jaws with SPSS In-Reply-To: <56E13740020000EC00045370@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> References: <56E13740020000EC00045370@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> Message-ID: <90f2de6de10443939ad683a4e480d233@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> IBM has a document on setting up SPSS for use with JAWS: IBM(r) SPSS(r) Statistics has been tested with JAWS. To enable JAWS and other assistive technology products to work with IBM SPSS Statistics, you need to complete the following steps. Note that the installer for IBM SPSS Statistics provides an option for enabling JAWS. If you chose this option, some steps were completed automatically during installation. Set the location of the Java Access Bridge. If you chose to enable JAWS during installation, this step is not necessary. Replace the Java accessibility.properties file. If you chose to enable JAWS during installation, this step is not necessary. For JAWS, copy the JAWS dictionary file from the Accessibility folder in the IBM SPSS Statistics installation directory. http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLVMB_23.0.0/spss/base/accessibility_windows.dita Joseph -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:59 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Jaws with SPSS Hi all, Does anyone know if Jaws works well, or at all, with the stats program, SPSS? If so, what version of Jaws? Thanks for any information on this. Best regards, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Thu Mar 10 10:05:58 2016 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Moodle and screen readers Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A259D@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Hello all, I have a student who is considering taking classes using Moodle (not through our institution). He is wondering what is the status of Moodle and screen readers. Does Moodle play nicely with JAWS and/or NVDA? Thanks for any feedback. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For my clients we have been recommending that they accept R as a suitable replacement https://www.r-project.org/ Yes it will require your Profs to adjust their minds a bit, and will not deal with that so called stats class that is an SPSS class in reality but it will allow an AT user to actually independently do statistical research. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bob Shimmin Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Jaws with SPSS We are on version 23 of SPSS and version 17 of Jaws and they do not work together. Bob Shimmin Bakersfield College Systems Support Specialist To submit a helpdesk ticket click the link below. http://support.kccd.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:59 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Jaws with SPSS Hi all, Does anyone know if Jaws works well, or at all, with the stats program, SPSS? If so, what version of Jaws? Thanks for any information on this. Best regards, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From ron at ahead.org Thu Mar 10 10:23:44 2016 From: ron at ahead.org (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Moodle and screen readers In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A259D@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A259D@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <8f3e01d17af9$fc029c90$f407d5b0$@ahead.org> If the local Moodle implementation has been done in accordance with their guidance then there should not be a problem https://docs.moodle.org/28/en/Accessibility Unfortunately their developed "accessibility" theme is pretty vanilla ice cream is its presentation so users like to pretty it up and there comes the problems. My recommendation would be to try NVDA first, all the bad code in JAWS tends to often time create more trouble when working with open source LMS's Ron Stewart From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Moodle and screen readers Hello all, I have a student who is considering taking classes using Moodle (not through our institution). He is wondering what is the status of Moodle and screen readers. Does Moodle play nicely with JAWS and/or NVDA? Thanks for any feedback. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbohn at bergen.edu Thu Mar 10 10:35:23 2016 From: mbohn at bergen.edu (Maria Bohn) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Moodle and screen readers Message-ID: My students who use JAWS are unable to navigate easily within Moodle. In fact the only ones who can navigate it with JAWS are those with low vision so I am assuming they use partial sight to navigate thru it. Maria Bohn Senior Resource Accommodation Specialist Assistive Technology Office of Specialized Services Bergen Community College From: Robert Beach > Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Date: Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 1:05 PM To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu)" > Subject: [Athen] Moodle and screen readers Hello all, I have a student who is considering taking classes using Moodle (not through our institution). He is wondering what is the status of Moodle and screen readers. Does Moodle play nicely with JAWS and/or NVDA? Thanks for any feedback. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From burke at ucla.edu Thu Mar 10 11:21:49 2016 From: burke at ucla.edu (PATRICK BURKE) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Jaws with SPSS In-Reply-To: <90f2de6de10443939ad683a4e480d233@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> References: <56E13740020000EC00045370@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> <90f2de6de10443939ad683a4e480d233@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> Message-ID: I did some testing with a statistics specialist here at UCLA in summer 2015, & the results were very unsatisfactory. Jaws could track tabular data in some screens but not others. In particular, Jaws would report the type of output table being produced, but couldn't read the table itself. The Jaws-Java-SPSS combination crashed frequently. Word at the time was that IBM is not producing any new versions beyond SPSS 23. Patrick On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Joseph Sherman wrote: > IBM has a document on setting up SPSS for use with JAWS: > > IBM(r) SPSS(r) Statistics has been tested with JAWS. To enable JAWS and > other assistive technology products to work with IBM SPSS Statistics, you > need to complete the following steps. Note that the installer for IBM SPSS > Statistics provides an option for enabling JAWS. If you chose this option, > some steps were completed automatically during installation. > > Set the location of the Java Access Bridge. If you chose to enable JAWS > during installation, this step is not necessary. > Replace the Java accessibility.properties file. If you chose to enable > JAWS during installation, this step is not necessary. > For JAWS, copy the JAWS dictionary file from the Accessibility folder in > the IBM SPSS Statistics installation directory. > > > http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLVMB_23.0.0/spss/base/accessibility_windows.dita > > > > Joseph > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:59 AM > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] Jaws with SPSS > > Hi all, > > Does anyone know if Jaws works well, or at all, with the stats program, > SPSS? If so, what version of Jaws? > > Thanks for any information on this. > > Best regards, > > Russell > > Russell Solowoniuk > AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan > University > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > T: 780-497-5826 > F: 780-497-4018 > macewan.ca > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. 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URL: From Teresa.Haven at nau.edu Thu Mar 10 11:37:13 2016 From: Teresa.Haven at nau.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Jaws with SPSS In-Reply-To: References: <56E13740020000EC00045370@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> <90f2de6de10443939ad683a4e480d233@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan>, Message-ID: <0AA03435-BCD4-4010-9013-5D22EBE516AB@nau.edu> My testing here at NAU in 2015 had the same general (poor) results as Patrick found. I echo Ron's suggestion of R, but it isn't something a faculty member can switch to on the fly, just like they couldn't switch to any other stats program with no preparation. Teresa On Mar 10, 2016, at 12:23 PM, PATRICK BURKE > wrote: I did some testing with a statistics specialist here at UCLA in summer 2015, & the results were very unsatisfactory. Jaws could track tabular data in some screens but not others. In particular, Jaws would report the type of output table being produced, but couldn't read the table itself. The Jaws-Java-SPSS combination crashed frequently. Word at the time was that IBM is not producing any new versions beyond SPSS 23. Patrick On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Joseph Sherman > wrote: IBM has a document on setting up SPSS for use with JAWS: IBM(r) SPSS(r) Statistics has been tested with JAWS. To enable JAWS and other assistive technology products to work with IBM SPSS Statistics, you need to complete the following steps. Note that the installer for IBM SPSS Statistics provides an option for enabling JAWS. If you chose this option, some steps were completed automatically during installation. Set the location of the Java Access Bridge. If you chose to enable JAWS during installation, this step is not necessary. Replace the Java accessibility.properties file. If you chose to enable JAWS during installation, this step is not necessary. For JAWS, copy the JAWS dictionary file from the Accessibility folder in the IBM SPSS Statistics installation directory. http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLVMB_23.0.0/spss/base/accessibility_windows.dita Joseph -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:59 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Jaws with SPSS Hi all, Does anyone know if Jaws works well, or at all, with the stats program, SPSS? If so, what version of Jaws? Thanks for any information on this. Best regards, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. 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Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. >>> Teresa Haven 3/10/2016 12:37 PM >>> My testing here at NAU in 2015 had the same general (poor) results as Patrick found. I echo Ron's suggestion of R, but it isn't something a faculty member can switch to on the fly, just like they couldn't switch to any other stats program with no preparation. Teresa On Mar 10, 2016, at 12:23 PM, PATRICK BURKE > wrote: I did some testing with a statistics specialist here at UCLA in summer 2015, & the results were very unsatisfactory. Jaws could track tabular data in some screens but not others. In particular, Jaws would report the type of output table being produced, but couldn't read the table itself. The Jaws-Java-SPSS combination crashed frequently. Word at the time was that IBM is not producing any new versions beyond SPSS 23. Patrick On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Joseph Sherman > wrote: IBM has a document on setting up SPSS for use with JAWS: IBM(r) SPSS(r) Statistics has been tested with JAWS. To enable JAWS and other assistive technology products to work with IBM SPSS Statistics, you need to complete the following steps. Note that the installer for IBM SPSS Statistics provides an option for enabling JAWS. If you chose this option, some steps were completed automatically during installation. Set the location of the Java Access Bridge. If you chose to enable JAWS during installation, this step is not necessary. Replace the Java accessibility.properties file. If you chose to enable JAWS during installation, this step is not necessary. For JAWS, copy the JAWS dictionary file from the Accessibility folder in the IBM SPSS Statistics installation directory. http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLVMB_23.0.0/spss/base/accessibility_windows.dita Joseph -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:59 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Jaws with SPSS Hi all, Does anyone know if Jaws works well, or at all, with the stats program, SPSS? If so, what version of Jaws? Thanks for any information on this. Best regards, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From dabrus at purdue.edu Fri Mar 11 05:58:07 2016 From: dabrus at purdue.edu (Brusnighan, Dean A.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] benefits of accessible purchasing language Message-ID: <84ffa9071ecc4065b765f5b206a75819@wppexc12.purdue.lcl> Hi, An upper level administrator has posed this question to me. For those universities who have included accessible purchasing language in contracts and RFPs, what benefit(s) did they see? I believe the administrator is looking for a measurable benefit as opposed to "it's the right thing to do". Do you have suggestions for how I might respond? Thanks. Dean ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dean Brusnighan Assistive Technology Specialist Purdue University, Young Hall 155 S. Grant Street West Lafayette, IN 47907-2108 Phone: 765-494-9082 dabrus@purdue.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 7:58 AM To: ATHEN mailing list Subject: [Athen] benefits of accessible purchasing language Hi, An upper level administrator has posed this question to me. For those universities who have included accessible purchasing language in contracts and RFPs, what benefit(s) did they see? I believe the administrator is looking for a measurable benefit as opposed to "it's the right thing to do". Do you have suggestions for how I might respond? Thanks. Dean ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dean Brusnighan Assistive Technology Specialist Purdue University, Young Hall 155 S. Grant Street West Lafayette, IN 47907-2108 Phone: 765-494-9082 dabrus@purdue.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The default settings are: Page numbering for even pages: upper right Page numbering for odd pages: upper right Reference Page Numbering for Even pages: None Reference Page Numbering for Odd pages: None Since I only emboss tests, these are the settings that our students prefer. On my computer for braille embossing, I'm still running 11.2. But on my computer for preparing and translating, I'm using 11.3. On my 11.3 version, I can't figure out how to set the defaults as noted above so they will apply to every document I open. Instead, I am having to set the document page number specifications on every document. Obviously, I'm missing something! Anyone know how I can set the global defaults to the page number?? Kind regards to all, Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas ARKU 209 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 479.575.7445 fax 479.575.3646 tdd +++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Enjie.Hall at utoledo.edu Fri Mar 11 12:07:46 2016 From: Enjie.Hall at utoledo.edu (Hall, Enjie) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] benefits of accessible purchasing language In-Reply-To: References: <84ffa9071ecc4065b765f5b206a75819@wppexc12.purdue.lcl> Message-ID: Dean, In my experience, accessibility language is crucial to purchasing the most accessible technology option. We have standard language and almost 100% of the time, the language has had to be modified depending on the response from the vender and/or we needed to include roadmap/timeline information for the vender to remedy inaccessibility. The language serves as a commitment from the vender to address accessibility or to continue addressing accessibility for the duration of the contract. The vender then is responsible to "promptly address any accessibility issue brought to their attention" rather than expecting only the university to develop work-arounds to compensate for the inaccessibility. We can also point to the contracts in the case that legal action is taken against us and demonstrate that we attempted to mitigate the risk by working with the venders and holding them to meeting accessibility standards. Enjie Hall ADA Compliance Officer Internal Audit & Compliance enjie.hall@utoledo.edu Office Phone: 419-530-5792 Office Fax: 419-530-3035 ADA/504 Hotline: 419-530-1232 The University of Toledo 2801 W Bancroft Toledo, OH 43606-3390 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Nast, Joseph M Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 10:20 AM To: ATHEN mailing list Subject: Re: [Athen] benefits of accessible purchasing language FYI UC Berkeley has implemented institutional accessible purchasing guidelines. If you're attending this year's CSUN conference, I believe Lucia Greco will be presenting on the subject. http://www.csun.edu/cod/conference/2016/sessions/index.php/public/presentations/view/226 The NCDAE has an excellent resource for this topic: http://ncdae.org/resources/articles/procurement.php Hope that helps! From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Brusnighan, Dean A. 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URL: From pdchapin at amherst.edu Fri Mar 11 16:38:09 2016 From: pdchapin at amherst.edu (Paul Chapin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Jaws with SPSS In-Reply-To: References: <56E13740020000EC00045370@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> <90f2de6de10443939ad683a4e480d233@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan>, Message-ID: This isn't an accessibility question but do you have a source for idea that IBM isn't going to upgrade spss beyond 23? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 10, 2016, at 2:24 PM, PATRICK BURKE > wrote: I did some testing with a statistics specialist here at UCLA in summer 2015, & the results were very unsatisfactory. Jaws could track tabular data in some screens but not others. In particular, Jaws would report the type of output table being produced, but couldn't read the table itself. The Jaws-Java-SPSS combination crashed frequently. Word at the time was that IBM is not producing any new versions beyond SPSS 23. Patrick On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Joseph Sherman > wrote: IBM has a document on setting up SPSS for use with JAWS: IBM(r) SPSS(r) Statistics has been tested with JAWS. To enable JAWS and other assistive technology products to work with IBM SPSS Statistics, you need to complete the following steps. Note that the installer for IBM SPSS Statistics provides an option for enabling JAWS. If you chose this option, some steps were completed automatically during installation. Set the location of the Java Access Bridge. If you chose to enable JAWS during installation, this step is not necessary. Replace the Java accessibility.properties file. If you chose to enable JAWS during installation, this step is not necessary. For JAWS, copy the JAWS dictionary file from the Accessibility folder in the IBM SPSS Statistics installation directory. http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLVMB_23.0.0/spss/base/accessibility_windows.dita Joseph -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:59 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Jaws with SPSS Hi all, Does anyone know if Jaws works well, or at all, with the stats program, SPSS? If so, what version of Jaws? Thanks for any information on this. 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URL: From pdchapin at amherst.edu Fri Mar 11 16:44:25 2016 From: pdchapin at amherst.edu (Paul Chapin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Moodle and screen readers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B4F0022-1469-446F-A6D9-924EF38A6C63@amherst.edu> We recently discovered that our default Firefox installation on the Mac could not navigate Moodle from the keyboard. Actually it couldn't navigate a lot of web pages including our main institution site. We know what setting to change but we're not sure what if anything that will break. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 10, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Maria Bohn wrote: > > My students who use JAWS are unable to navigate easily within Moodle. In fact the only ones who can navigate it with JAWS are those with low vision so I am assuming they use partial sight to navigate thru it. > > > Maria Bohn > Senior Resource Accommodation Specialist > Assistive Technology > Office of Specialized Services > Bergen Community College > > From: Robert Beach > > Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Date: Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 1:05 PM > To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu)" > > Subject: [Athen] Moodle and screen readers > > Hello all, > > I have a student who is considering taking classes using Moodle (not through our institution). He is wondering what is the status of Moodle and screen readers. Does Moodle play nicely with JAWS and/or NVDA? > > Thanks for any feedback. > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > 913-288-7671 > rbeach@kckcc.edu > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From info at karlencommunications.com Sat Mar 12 12:26:12 2016 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] SharePoint update including accessibility info Message-ID: <002701d17c9d$6bcd2050$436760f0$@karlencommunications.com> For the folks working with and on SharePoint accessibility: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt346121(v=office.16).aspx#docli b?platform=hootsuite Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the new document, under "Document", select "Page Numbering?" and on the pop-up window: First, set the two "Reference Page Numbering" locations to "None" and then set the two "Page Numbering" locations to "Upper Right". First page number to display: 1 Click OK. 3. To save as a new template, go to Document: Create Template? In the first text box, enter name "UEB Template" Ignore "Replace Existing Template" Check "Set template as default" Check "Use customized Word style map" Word style map: bana Ignore button for "Table of Contents Options" Choose "Share with Others" OK And then, for "Would you like current codes and text to be included?": NO VICTORIA TREDINNICK From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 1:39 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Duxbury and document page number defaults Hi Heidi, The defaults should be in the template that you select. Also, are you choosing UEB or EBAE? Those setting may have an effect, as well. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich HTCTU Director 408-996-6047 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:07 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Duxbury and document page number defaults Hello Duxbury experts! I'm having an issue with my recent upgrade to Duxbury 11.3. In version 11.2 and previous, I had a default document page number set for all documents that were opened. The default settings are: Page numbering for even pages: upper right Page numbering for odd pages: upper right Reference Page Numbering for Even pages: None Reference Page Numbering for Odd pages: None Since I only emboss tests, these are the settings that our students prefer. On my computer for braille embossing, I'm still running 11.2. But on my computer for preparing and translating, I'm using 11.3. On my 11.3 version, I can't figure out how to set the defaults as noted above so they will apply to every document I open. Instead, I am having to set the document page number specifications on every document. Obviously, I'm missing something! Anyone know how I can set the global defaults to the page number?? Kind regards to all, Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas ARKU 209 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 479.575.7445 fax 479.575.3646 tdd +++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From burke at ucla.edu Mon Mar 14 15:32:19 2016 From: burke at ucla.edu (PATRICK BURKE) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Jaws with SPSS In-Reply-To: References: <56E13740020000EC00045370@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> <90f2de6de10443939ad683a4e480d233@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> Message-ID: With apologies, I was wildly mistaken. That was the gist of some of my conversations last summer, but apparently the rumors of SPSS's demise are greatly exagerated. ... I don't have any info on when SPSS24 will be released, but it's evidently still a very viable product. Which means, it's worth our while to put in more effort with IBM to make their stats tools really accessible. Patrick On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Paul Chapin wrote: > This isn't an accessibility question but do you have a source for idea > that IBM isn't going to upgrade spss beyond 23? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 10, 2016, at 2:24 PM, PATRICK BURKE wrote: > > I did some testing with a statistics specialist here at UCLA in summer > 2015, & the results were very unsatisfactory. Jaws could track tabular data > in some screens but not others. In particular, Jaws would report the type > of output table being produced, but couldn't read the table itself. The > Jaws-Java-SPSS combination crashed frequently. > > Word at the time was that IBM is not producing any new versions beyond > SPSS 23. > > Patrick > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Joseph Sherman > wrote: > >> IBM has a document on setting up SPSS for use with JAWS: >> >> IBM(r) SPSS(r) Statistics has been tested with JAWS. To enable JAWS and >> other assistive technology products to work with IBM SPSS Statistics, you >> need to complete the following steps. Note that the installer for IBM SPSS >> Statistics provides an option for enabling JAWS. If you chose this option, >> some steps were completed automatically during installation. >> >> Set the location of the Java Access Bridge. If you chose to enable JAWS >> during installation, this step is not necessary. >> Replace the Java accessibility.properties file. If you chose to enable >> JAWS during installation, this step is not necessary. >> For JAWS, copy the JAWS dictionary file from the Accessibility folder in >> the IBM SPSS Statistics installation directory. >> >> >> http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLVMB_23.0.0/spss/base/accessibility_windows.dita >> >> >> >> Joseph >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] >> On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk >> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:59 AM >> To: athen-list@u.washington.edu >> Subject: [Athen] Jaws with SPSS >> >> Hi all, >> >> Does anyone know if Jaws works well, or at all, with the stats program, >> SPSS? If so, what version of Jaws? >> >> Thanks for any information on this. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Russell >> >> Russell Solowoniuk >> AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan >> University >> 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. >> Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 >> E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca >> T: 780-497-5826 >> F: 780-497-4018 >> macewan.ca >> This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is >> addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged >> information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended >> recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take >> action relying on it. 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With the assistance of grant funding from the Gibney Family Foundation, Quincy College and Northern Essex Community College partnered with the Carroll Center to identify all of the online interactions these colleges have with their students. This digital content was evaluated and tested to discover whether students with disabilities can independently perform required online functions. Throughout this year-long process, the Carroll Center analyzed where each college met or exceeded expectations and assisted them to identify where improvements could be made. The colleges learned where they can improve accessibility themselves, where they will need to advocate for improvements from third party digital product vendors with whom they contract, and where individualized accommodations will still be required to ensure each student?s success. This webinar will tell you the story of why it matters, where the greatest challenges occurred, and what the outcomes were for each of these colleges. When March 17, 2016 from 11:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. EST Susan and Melba Susan J Martin M.Ed ? Director The Learning Accommodations Center Northern Essex Community College Behrakis One- Stop Student Services Center SC111B 100 Elliot Street, Haverhill, MA 01830 Tel# 978-556-3647 Email: smartin@necc.mass.edu Strategic Maximizer Arranger Individualization Relator This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be confidential and may contain student information covered under FERPA. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail transmission in error, please notify me by telephone or via return e-mail and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you Susan J Martin Director-The Learning Accommodations Center -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Enjie.Hall at utoledo.edu Tue Mar 15 05:47:44 2016 From: Enjie.Hall at utoledo.edu (Hall, Enjie) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Xavier Careers- Assistive Technology Coordinator Message-ID: Forwarding information on a career opportunity at Xavier University in the Cincinnati, Ohio area Enjie Hall ___________ This is the link to the job posting: https://xavier-openhire.silkroad.com/epostings/index.cfm?fuseaction=app.jobinfo&jobid=787&company_id=16433&version=1&source=ONLINE&JobOwner=992958&startflag=1 Disability Services, Assistive Technology Coordinator Xavier University is seeking qualified candidates for an Assistive Technology Coordinator position within Disability Services. This is a full-time position that reports to the Director of Disability Services. The primary purpose of this position is to support students with disabilities to ensure equal access to all educational materials by coordinating and implementing of accommodations especially as they relate to alternate media and assistive technology. The coordinator will also recommend assistive technology solutions for the campus to ensure that the university is complying with federal and state laws pertaining to accessibility for students with disabilities. Job duties and Responsibilities include: *Provide educational materials in accessible formats for students with print disabilities and confer with faculty regarding accessible classroom materials. *Meet with students to determine appropriate alternate format and assistive technology needs. *Train and supervise student workers assisting with the production of alternate media. *Serve as a resource for University staff on creating accessible documents. *Collaborate with faculty to facilitate the adoption of accessible instructional materials. Other Duties and Responsibilities: *Provide back-up support for the Test Coordinator. *Coordinate, implement, and maintain the Disability Services database management system (Clockwork) in collaboration with Application Services. *Work collaboratively with the Director of Disability Services to ensure that all technology is current and costs are aligned with the allotted budget. *Research and stay abreast of current and emerging technologies related to assistive technology. *Perform other duties as assigned Required Knowledge and Abilities: The preferred candidate must be familiar with accommodating students with disabilities, assistive technology, and software programs for individuals with disabilities. Knowledge of applicable state and federal laws such as sections 504 and 508 of the Rehabilitation Act and the Americans with Disabilities Act Amendment Act is essential. Qualifications: Bachelor's degree in counseling, vocational rehabilitation, special education or a related field with one year of experience at the postsecondary level serving students with disabilities. Master's degree preferred. To ensure consideration, interested/qualified candidates must submit a resume, cover letter, and the names and contact information of three professional references on Xavier University's website by March 31, 2016. Thanks for posting the position with your network. Cassandra -- Cassandra Jones, MRC, CRC Director, Disability Services Learning Assistance Center Xavier University Tel: 513.745.3003 From mtrinh at Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU Tue Mar 15 12:26:21 2016 From: mtrinh at Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU (Trinh, Marc) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Message-ID: <8AD36FA7EC9DF14E8D8CDD17738A469A78511D06@EXCHMBX2.AD.FULLERTON.EDU> Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator Information & Computer Access Program Office of Disability Support Services California State University, Fullerton Telephone: 657.278.3043 | Fax: 657.278.2408 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2599 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From adwershing at pstcc.edu Tue Mar 15 13:57:39 2016 From: adwershing at pstcc.edu (Wershing, Alice D.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write In-Reply-To: <8AD36FA7EC9DF14E8D8CDD17738A469A78511D06@EXCHMBX2.AD.FULLERTON.EDU> References: <8AD36FA7EC9DF14E8D8CDD17738A469A78511D06@EXCHMBX2.AD.FULLERTON.EDU> Message-ID: <1458075456629.66702@pstcc.edu> We have adopted Kurzweil 3000 as it works with JAWS. Read and Write does not and from my understanding there are no plans to make it totally accessible to those who are blind. I have used Read and Write in previous settings and it is a great product, however my perspective has shifted towards the use of products that are accessible to all. Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. 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I guess it depends on your "needs" list to find out what will work for you. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vicki Place Program Support Supervisor 2 Assistive Technology Center Phone: (509) 542-4428 On-Campus Ext.: 2428 Location: TD422 Mail Stop: MS-S4 [cbc logo for email] [ATC Logo] He who fears he will suffer, already suffers because he fears. - Michel De Montaigne From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Trinh, Marc Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 12:26 PM To: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. 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You > open a new document using your desired template, change the page settings, > and then save the template under a new name (if you'd like to preserve the > original template). Alternatively, you could choose "replace existing > template". > > > > Here are the instructions I gave to my team: > > > > 1. From within Duxbury, select File: New? > > Document Type: Print > > Document Settings Template: English (UEB) ? BANA. > > > > 2. In the new document, under "Document", select "Page Numbering?" > > and on the pop-up window: > > First, set the two "Reference Page Numbering" locations to "None" > > and then set the two "Page Numbering" locations to "Upper Right". > > First page number to display: 1 > > Click OK. > > > > 3. To save as a new template, go to Document: Create Template? > > In the first text box, enter name "UEB Template" > > Ignore "Replace Existing Template" > > Check "Set template as default" > > Check "Use customized Word style map" > > Word style map: bana > > Ignore button for "Table of Contents Options" > > Choose "Share with Others" > > OK > > And then, for "Would you like current codes and text to be included?": NO > > > > *VICTORIA TREDINNICK* > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Gaeir Dietrich > *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2016 1:39 PM > *To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Duxbury and document page number defaults > > > > Hi Heidi, > > The defaults should be in the template that you select. Also, are you > choosing UEB or EBAE? Those setting may have an effect, as well. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich > HTCTU Director > 408-996-6047 > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu > ] *On Behalf Of *Heidi > Scher > *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:07 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* [Athen] Duxbury and document page number defaults > > > > Hello Duxbury experts! > > I'm having an issue with my recent upgrade to Duxbury 11.3. In version > 11.2 and previous, I had a default document page number set for all > documents that were opened. > > The default settings are: > > Page numbering for even pages: upper right > Page numbering for odd pages: upper right > > Reference Page Numbering for Even pages: None > > Reference Page Numbering for Odd pages: None > > Since I only emboss tests, these are the settings that our students prefer. > > On my computer for braille embossing, I'm still running 11.2. But on my > computer for preparing and translating, I'm using 11.3. On my 11.3 > version, I can't figure out how to set the defaults as noted above so they > will apply to every document I open. Instead, I am having to set the > document page number specifications on every document. > > Obviously, I'm missing something! Anyone know how I can set the global > defaults to the page number?? > > Kind regards to all, > > Heidi > > > > +++++++++++++++ > Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC > Associate Director > Center for Educational Access > University of Arkansas > ARKU 209 > Fayetteville, AR 72701 > 479.575.3104 > 479.575.7445 fax > 479.575.3646 tdd > +++++++++++++++ > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Wed Mar 16 12:25:29 2016 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write In-Reply-To: <1458075456629.66702@pstcc.edu> References: <8AD36FA7EC9DF14E8D8CDD17738A469A78511D06@EXCHMBX2.AD.FULLERTON.EDU> <1458075456629.66702@pstcc.edu> Message-ID: <41ccde3d83684afbb55b9fc6a8949893@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> Alice, I do much prefer R&W over Kurzweil because I think the learning curve is shorter and you don't need to use special file types so students don't have to get out of the habit of using their basic programs like Microsoft Word. I do think Kurzweil makes a very competitive product, however. I've never had the occasion to use it with JAWS. Just out of curiosity, why would you? Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:58 PM To: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write We have adopted Kurzweil 3000 as it works with JAWS. Read and Write does not and from my understanding there are no plans to make it totally accessible to those who are blind. I have used Read and Write in previous settings and it is a great product, however my perspective has shifted towards the use of products that are accessible to all. Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Technical Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7218 (fax) ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Trinh, Marc Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 3:26 PM To: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator Information & Computer Access Program Office of Disability Support Services California State University, Fullerton Telephone: 657.278.3043 | Fax: 657.278.2408 From JElmer at vcccd.edu Wed Mar 16 13:25:19 2016 From: JElmer at vcccd.edu (John Elmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write In-Reply-To: <41ccde3d83684afbb55b9fc6a8949893@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> References: <8AD36FA7EC9DF14E8D8CDD17738A469A78511D06@EXCHMBX2.AD.FULLERTON.EDU> <1458075456629.66702@pstcc.edu> <41ccde3d83684afbb55b9fc6a8949893@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> Message-ID: If the Kurzweil files are properly edited, they will probably provide a better listening experience that just reading a PDF with JAWS. As you probably know, K1000 is designed for blind users, requiring to sight to navigate. -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 12:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Alice, I do much prefer R&W over Kurzweil because I think the learning curve is shorter and you don't need to use special file types so students don't have to get out of the habit of using their basic programs like Microsoft Word. I do think Kurzweil makes a very competitive product, however. I've never had the occasion to use it with JAWS. Just out of curiosity, why would you? Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:58 PM To: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write We have adopted Kurzweil 3000 as it works with JAWS. Read and Write does not and from my understanding there are no plans to make it totally accessible to those who are blind. I have used Read and Write in previous settings and it is a great product, however my perspective has shifted towards the use of products that are accessible to all. Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Technical Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7218 (fax) ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Trinh, Marc Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 3:26 PM To: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator Information & Computer Access Program Office of Disability Support Services California State University, Fullerton Telephone: 657.278.3043 | Fax: 657.278.2408 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From lbencomo at uccs.edu Wed Mar 16 13:53:12 2016 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write In-Reply-To: References: <8AD36FA7EC9DF14E8D8CDD17738A469A78511D06@EXCHMBX2.AD.FULLERTON.EDU> <1458075456629.66702@pstcc.edu> <41ccde3d83684afbb55b9fc6a8949893@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> Message-ID: <2967867f95ff45c2845e61ff4492e4ee@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> So, you are using Kurzweil as a conversion tool of sorts. I got it. Thank you. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of John Elmer Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 2:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network ; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write If the Kurzweil files are properly edited, they will probably provide a better listening experience that just reading a PDF with JAWS. As you probably know, K1000 is designed for blind users, requiring to sight to navigate. -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 12:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Alice, I do much prefer R&W over Kurzweil because I think the learning curve is shorter and you don't need to use special file types so students don't have to get out of the habit of using their basic programs like Microsoft Word. I do think Kurzweil makes a very competitive product, however. I've never had the occasion to use it with JAWS. Just out of curiosity, why would you? Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:58 PM To: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write We have adopted Kurzweil 3000 as it works with JAWS. Read and Write does not and from my understanding there are no plans to make it totally accessible to those who are blind. I have used Read and Write in previous settings and it is a great product, however my perspective has shifted towards the use of products that are accessible to all. Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Technical Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7218 (fax) ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Trinh, Marc Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 3:26 PM To: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator Information & Computer Access Program Office of Disability Support Services California State University, Fullerton Telephone: 657.278.3043 | Fax: 657.278.2408 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From foreigntype at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 14:15:07 2016 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write In-Reply-To: References: <8AD36FA7EC9DF14E8D8CDD17738A469A78511D06@EXCHMBX2.AD.FULLERTON.EDU> <1458075456629.66702@pstcc.edu> <41ccde3d83684afbb55b9fc6a8949893@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> Message-ID: <005801d17fc8$eace7240$c06b56c0$@gmail.com> John, et al ATHEN-ites, To clarify, Kurzweil 1000 is designed as a reading machine for the blind & visually impaired. Kurzweil 3000 is a software program that is for learning enhancement, particularly for people with reading impairments such as dyslexia or reading comprehension issues. That is extremely oversimplified an explanation for what Kz 3000 can do but it is a completely different technology. My 2.5 cents on a Wednesday (it's actually sunny) afternoon in Portland OR. Wink Wink Harner Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training Alternative Text & Media Production The Foreigntype foreigntype@gmail.com winkharner1113@gmail.com (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of John Elmer Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 1:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write If the Kurzweil files are properly edited, they will probably provide a better listening experience that just reading a PDF with JAWS. As you probably know, K1000 is designed for blind users, requiring to sight to navigate. -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 12:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Alice, I do much prefer R&W over Kurzweil because I think the learning curve is shorter and you don't need to use special file types so students don't have to get out of the habit of using their basic programs like Microsoft Word. I do think Kurzweil makes a very competitive product, however. I've never had the occasion to use it with JAWS. Just out of curiosity, why would you? Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:58 PM To: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write We have adopted Kurzweil 3000 as it works with JAWS. Read and Write does not and from my understanding there are no plans to make it totally accessible to those who are blind. I have used Read and Write in previous settings and it is a great product, however my perspective has shifted towards the use of products that are accessible to all. Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Technical Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7218 (fax) ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Trinh, Marc Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 3:26 PM To: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator Information & Computer Access Program Office of Disability Support Services California State University, Fullerton Telephone: 657.278.3043 | Fax: 657.278.2408 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From foreigntype at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 14:26:06 2016 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write In-Reply-To: <2967867f95ff45c2845e61ff4492e4ee@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> References: <8AD36FA7EC9DF14E8D8CDD17738A469A78511D06@EXCHMBX2.AD.FULLERTON.EDU> <1458075456629.66702@pstcc.edu> <41ccde3d83684afbb55b9fc6a8949893@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> <2967867f95ff45c2845e61ff4492e4ee@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> Message-ID: <005a01d17fca$73753ec0$5a5fbc40$@gmail.com> ATHEN-ites, Using Kurzweil as a PDF OCR conversion tool is not sophisticated enough for a student using JAWS or NVDA as the document cannot be tagged, regardless of whether the voicing is "nicer." I would prefer accurate text over a nice voice any old day. Even under the best of circumstances the half-engine of ABBYY that Kurzweil 3000 uses is simply not robust enough for a decent, high level OCR conversion with complex material. A single example (among many): you cannot drop color out and extract text. It is extremely efficient and good at what it does performing for a student with a reading disability who is using Kurzweil as TTS. Every piece of technology we put our hands on serves a specific and useful purpose. Using the OCR engine in Kurzweil for general OCR conversion is not enough. We need to be keeping other tools in our toolbox so we can choose an appropriate robust and sophisticated enough program to do the conversion each student needs. If you have a lot of art, graphics, complex layouts, and need to tag PDFs, use Adobe Acrobat Pro. If you just need text conversion, OmniPage Pro and AbbyyFine Reader do well, one performing faster on generic work and one doing a better job with foreign languages. Pick the right tool for the job! A disclaimer: you cannot run a PDF through OP, AA, or AFR first and then import to Kurzweil, as it will strip all the formatting and recognition you've done and it will revert to its (less than robust) internal, minimized version of AFR. I have all of these programs and hands-on experience with each. Adding a few more cents to my earlier 2.5 cents worth. Wink Wink Harner Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training Alternative Text & Media Production The Foreigntype foreigntype@gmail.com winkharner1113@gmail.com (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 1:53 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write So, you are using Kurzweil as a conversion tool of sorts. I got it. Thank you. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of John Elmer Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 2:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network ; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write If the Kurzweil files are properly edited, they will probably provide a better listening experience that just reading a PDF with JAWS. As you probably know, K1000 is designed for blind users, requiring to sight to navigate. -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 12:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Alice, I do much prefer R&W over Kurzweil because I think the learning curve is shorter and you don't need to use special file types so students don't have to get out of the habit of using their basic programs like Microsoft Word. I do think Kurzweil makes a very competitive product, however. I've never had the occasion to use it with JAWS. Just out of curiosity, why would you? Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:58 PM To: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write We have adopted Kurzweil 3000 as it works with JAWS. Read and Write does not and from my understanding there are no plans to make it totally accessible to those who are blind. I have used Read and Write in previous settings and it is a great product, however my perspective has shifted towards the use of products that are accessible to all. Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Technical Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7218 (fax) ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Trinh, Marc Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 3:26 PM To: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator Information & Computer Access Program Office of Disability Support Services California State University, Fullerton Telephone: 657.278.3043 | Fax: 657.278.2408 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From ronrstewart at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 15:03:50 2016 From: ronrstewart at gmail.com (Ron Stewart) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write In-Reply-To: <005a01d17fca$73753ec0$5a5fbc40$@gmail.com> References: <8AD36FA7EC9DF14E8D8CDD17738A469A78511D06@EXCHMBX2.AD.FULLERTON.EDU> <1458075456629.66702@pstcc.edu> <41ccde3d83684afbb55b9fc6a8949893@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> <2967867f95ff45c2845e61ff4492e4ee@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> <005a01d17fca$73753ec0$5a5fbc40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <441b01d17fcf$b94dda60$2be98f20$@gmail.com> Greetings ATHENians, (I have always preferred that term :-)) I have kind of been holding off engaging in this conversation. It is one that I regularly get into with my numerous clients, but I get tired of being flamed for my posts to lists such as this. I now feel that I need to give my two cents worth based on my extensive experience with these and other products in the field and working directly with the vendors involved. I would agree with Wink's comments, for the most part, but for me this is really an equity issue more than anything else. I have tried to get K3000 to work effectively with JAWS and other screen readers and it is not for the faint of heart. If you want to go down that route I would try NVDA. You have also now tied me to $2k+ in software that is questionable in its efficacy as a workplace kind of tool. R&W was never designed to be a tool for folks who are blind not will it ever be one. Then again K3000 was not either and even with a screen reader it is not fully accessible. On the other hand K1000 is a great reading machine kind of software that provides a high level of document flexibility for the VI/B community. None of these tools are suitable for the level of alt format conversion the typical college student will have. That material needs to be preprocessed using production alt format conversion tools and then provided in the format the user needs that is most effective. That is your institutional legal obligation under the law, as has been expressed in over a dozen cases in recent years. You need to pick your tools to meet the specific task at hand, from those that have been designed to meet the specific marketspace needs. We also have an obligation to provide our users with the skill set that is the most realistic in the real world. I personally would never combine an LD product such as K3000 with a blindness project such as JAWS. I would instead look at K1000, a product designed for that user base for the specific task of reading and writing assistance. RW is also not a product that was ever designed for the B/VI community, and I would take the complaints about support with a grain of salt. That was a staff issue more than anything else. If you ever have support issues with TextHelp please let me know and I will be more than happy to have you get them resolved. Take it for what it is worth. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 2:26 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write ATHEN-ites, Using Kurzweil as a PDF OCR conversion tool is not sophisticated enough for a student using JAWS or NVDA as the document cannot be tagged, regardless of whether the voicing is "nicer." I would prefer accurate text over a nice voice any old day. Even under the best of circumstances the half-engine of ABBYY that Kurzweil 3000 uses is simply not robust enough for a decent, high level OCR conversion with complex material. A single example (among many): you cannot drop color out and extract text. It is extremely efficient and good at what it does performing for a student with a reading disability who is using Kurzweil as TTS. Every piece of technology we put our hands on serves a specific and useful purpose. Using the OCR engine in Kurzweil for general OCR conversion is not enough. We need to be keeping other tools in our toolbox so we can choose an appropriate robust and sophisticated enough program to do the conversion each student needs. If you have a lot of art, graphics, complex layouts, and need to tag PDFs, use Adobe Acrobat Pro. If you just need text conversion, OmniPage Pro and AbbyyFine Reader do well, one performing faster on generic work and one doing a better job with foreign languages. Pick the right tool for the job! A disclaimer: you cannot run a PDF through OP, AA, or AFR first and then import to Kurzweil, as it will strip all the formatting and recognition you've done and it will revert to its (less than robust) internal, minimized version of AFR. I have all of these programs and hands-on experience with each. Adding a few more cents to my earlier 2.5 cents worth. Wink Wink Harner Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training Alternative Text & Media Production The Foreigntype foreigntype@gmail.com winkharner1113@gmail.com (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 1:53 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write So, you are using Kurzweil as a conversion tool of sorts. I got it. Thank you. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of John Elmer Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 2:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network ; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write If the Kurzweil files are properly edited, they will probably provide a better listening experience that just reading a PDF with JAWS. As you probably know, K1000 is designed for blind users, requiring to sight to navigate. -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 12:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Alice, I do much prefer R&W over Kurzweil because I think the learning curve is shorter and you don't need to use special file types so students don't have to get out of the habit of using their basic programs like Microsoft Word. I do think Kurzweil makes a very competitive product, however. I've never had the occasion to use it with JAWS. Just out of curiosity, why would you? Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:58 PM To: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write We have adopted Kurzweil 3000 as it works with JAWS. Read and Write does not and from my understanding there are no plans to make it totally accessible to those who are blind. I have used Read and Write in previous settings and it is a great product, however my perspective has shifted towards the use of products that are accessible to all. Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Technical Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7218 (fax) ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Trinh, Marc Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 3:26 PM To: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator Information & Computer Access Program Office of Disability Support Services California State University, Fullerton Telephone: 657.278.3043 | Fax: 657.278.2408 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From HoldenWe at cwu.edu Wed Mar 16 15:35:31 2016 From: HoldenWe at cwu.edu (Wendy Holden) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write In-Reply-To: <441b01d17fcf$b94dda60$2be98f20$@gmail.com> References: <8AD36FA7EC9DF14E8D8CDD17738A469A78511D06@EXCHMBX2.AD.FULLERTON.EDU> <1458075456629.66702@pstcc.edu> <41ccde3d83684afbb55b9fc6a8949893@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> <2967867f95ff45c2845e61ff4492e4ee@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> <005a01d17fca$73753ec0$5a5fbc40$@gmail.com> <441b01d17fcf$b94dda60$2be98f20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87e9f35e599d40c9bb16ecc1a2514262@pv-ell-exc-02.ad.cwu.edu> Well stated, Ron and Wink! -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 3:04 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Greetings ATHENians, (I have always preferred that term :-)) I have kind of been holding off engaging in this conversation. It is one that I regularly get into with my numerous clients, but I get tired of being flamed for my posts to lists such as this. I now feel that I need to give my two cents worth based on my extensive experience with these and other products in the field and working directly with the vendors involved. I would agree with Wink's comments, for the most part, but for me this is really an equity issue more than anything else. I have tried to get K3000 to work effectively with JAWS and other screen readers and it is not for the faint of heart. If you want to go down that route I would try NVDA. You have also now tied me to $2k+ in software that is questionable in its efficacy as a workplace kind of tool. R&W was never designed to be a tool for folks who are blind not will it ever be one. Then again K3000 was not either and even with a screen reader it is not fully accessible. On the other hand K1000 is a great reading machine kind of software that provides a high level of document flexibility for the VI/B community. None of these tools are suitable for the level of alt format conversion the typical college student will have. That material needs to be preprocessed using production alt format conversion tools and then provided in the format the user needs that is most effective. That is your institutional legal obligation under the law, as has been expressed in over a dozen cases in recent years. You need to pick your tools to meet the specific task at hand, from those that have been designed to meet the specific marketspace needs. We also have an obligation to provide our users with the skill set that is the most realistic in the real world. I personally would never combine an LD product such as K3000 with a blindness project such as JAWS. I would instead look at K1000, a product designed for that user base for the specific task of reading and writing assistance. RW is also not a product that was ever designed for the B/VI community, and I would take the complaints about support with a grain of salt. That was a staff issue more than anything else. If you ever have support issues with TextHelp please let me know and I will be more than happy to have you get them resolved. Take it for what it is worth. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 2:26 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write ATHEN-ites, Using Kurzweil as a PDF OCR conversion tool is not sophisticated enough for a student using JAWS or NVDA as the document cannot be tagged, regardless of whether the voicing is "nicer." I would prefer accurate text over a nice voice any old day. Even under the best of circumstances the half-engine of ABBYY that Kurzweil 3000 uses is simply not robust enough for a decent, high level OCR conversion with complex material. A single example (among many): you cannot drop color out and extract text. It is extremely efficient and good at what it does performing for a student with a reading disability who is using Kurzweil as TTS. Every piece of technology we put our hands on serves a specific and useful purpose. Using the OCR engine in Kurzweil for general OCR conversion is not enough. We need to be keeping other tools in our toolbox so we can choose an appropriate robust and sophisticated enough program to do the conversion each student needs. If you have a lot of art, graphics, complex layouts, and need to tag PDFs, use Adobe Acrobat Pro. If you just need text conversion, OmniPage Pro and AbbyyFine Reader do well, one performing faster on generic work and one doing a better job with foreign languages. Pick the right tool for the job! A disclaimer: you cannot run a PDF through OP, AA, or AFR first and then import to Kurzweil, as it will strip all the formatting and recognition you've done and it will revert to its (less than robust) internal, minimized version of AFR. I have all of these programs and hands-on experience with each. Adding a few more cents to my earlier 2.5 cents worth. Wink Wink Harner Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training Alternative Text & Media Production The Foreigntype foreigntype@gmail.com winkharner1113@gmail.com (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 1:53 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write So, you are using Kurzweil as a conversion tool of sorts. I got it. Thank you. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of John Elmer Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 2:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network ; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write If the Kurzweil files are properly edited, they will probably provide a better listening experience that just reading a PDF with JAWS. As you probably know, K1000 is designed for blind users, requiring to sight to navigate. -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 12:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Alice, I do much prefer R&W over Kurzweil because I think the learning curve is shorter and you don't need to use special file types so students don't have to get out of the habit of using their basic programs like Microsoft Word. I do think Kurzweil makes a very competitive product, however. I've never had the occasion to use it with JAWS. Just out of curiosity, why would you? Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:58 PM To: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write We have adopted Kurzweil 3000 as it works with JAWS. Read and Write does not and from my understanding there are no plans to make it totally accessible to those who are blind. I have used Read and Write in previous settings and it is a great product, however my perspective has shifted towards the use of products that are accessible to all. Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Technical Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7218 (fax) ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Trinh, Marc Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 3:26 PM To: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator Information & Computer Access Program Office of Disability Support Services California State University, Fullerton Telephone: 657.278.3043 | Fax: 657.278.2408 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Thu Mar 17 06:36:15 2016 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write In-Reply-To: <441b01d17fcf$b94dda60$2be98f20$@gmail.com> References: <8AD36FA7EC9DF14E8D8CDD17738A469A78511D06@EXCHMBX2.AD.FULLERTON.EDU> <1458075456629.66702@pstcc.edu> <41ccde3d83684afbb55b9fc6a8949893@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> <2967867f95ff45c2845e61ff4492e4ee@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> <005a01d17fca$73753ec0$5a5fbc40$@gmail.com> <441b01d17fcf$b94dda60$2be98f20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A3B65@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> I couldn't agree more. Thanks Ron and Wink for your clear explanations. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Stewart Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 5:04 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Greetings ATHENians, (I have always preferred that term :-)) I have kind of been holding off engaging in this conversation. It is one that I regularly get into with my numerous clients, but I get tired of being flamed for my posts to lists such as this. I now feel that I need to give my two cents worth based on my extensive experience with these and other products in the field and working directly with the vendors involved. I would agree with Wink's comments, for the most part, but for me this is really an equity issue more than anything else. I have tried to get K3000 to work effectively with JAWS and other screen readers and it is not for the faint of heart. If you want to go down that route I would try NVDA. You have also now tied me to $2k+ in software that is questionable in its efficacy as a workplace kind of tool. R&W was never designed to be a tool for folks who are blind not will it ever be one. Then again K3000 was not either and even with a screen reader it is not fully accessible. On the other hand K1000 is a great reading machine kind of software that provides a high level of document flexibility for the VI/B community. None of these tools are suitable for the level of alt format conversion the typical college student will have. That material needs to be preprocessed using production alt format conversion tools and then provided in the format the user needs that is most effective. That is your institutional legal obligation under the law, as has been expressed in over a dozen cases in recent years. You need to pick your tools to meet the specific task at hand, from those that have been designed to meet the specific marketspace needs. We also have an obligation to provide our users with the skill set that is the most realistic in the real world. I personally would never combine an LD product such as K3000 with a blindness project such as JAWS. I would instead look at K1000, a product designed for that user base for the specific task of reading and writing assistance. RW is also not a product that was ever designed for the B/VI community, and I would take the complaints about support with a grain of salt. That was a staff issue more than anything else. If you ever have support issues with TextHelp please let me know and I will be more than happy to have you get them resolved. Take it for what it is worth. Ron Stewart -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 2:26 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write ATHEN-ites, Using Kurzweil as a PDF OCR conversion tool is not sophisticated enough for a student using JAWS or NVDA as the document cannot be tagged, regardless of whether the voicing is "nicer." I would prefer accurate text over a nice voice any old day. Even under the best of circumstances the half-engine of ABBYY that Kurzweil 3000 uses is simply not robust enough for a decent, high level OCR conversion with complex material. A single example (among many): you cannot drop color out and extract text. It is extremely efficient and good at what it does performing for a student with a reading disability who is using Kurzweil as TTS. Every piece of technology we put our hands on serves a specific and useful purpose. Using the OCR engine in Kurzweil for general OCR conversion is not enough. We need to be keeping other tools in our toolbox so we can choose an appropriate robust and sophisticated enough program to do the conversion each student needs. If you have a lot of art, graphics, complex layouts, and need to tag PDFs, use Adobe Acrobat Pro. If you just need text conversion, OmniPage Pro and AbbyyFine Reader do well, one performing faster on generic work and one doing a better job with foreign languages. Pick the right tool for the job! A disclaimer: you cannot run a PDF through OP, AA, or AFR first and then import to Kurzweil, as it will strip all the formatting and recognition you've done and it will revert to its (less than robust) internal, minimized version of AFR. I have all of these programs and hands-on experience with each. Adding a few more cents to my earlier 2.5 cents worth. Wink Wink Harner Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training Alternative Text & Media Production The Foreigntype foreigntype@gmail.com winkharner1113@gmail.com (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 1:53 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write So, you are using Kurzweil as a conversion tool of sorts. I got it. Thank you. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of John Elmer Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 2:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network ; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write If the Kurzweil files are properly edited, they will probably provide a better listening experience that just reading a PDF with JAWS. As you probably know, K1000 is designed for blind users, requiring to sight to navigate. -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 12:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network; altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Alice, I do much prefer R&W over Kurzweil because I think the learning curve is shorter and you don't need to use special file types so students don't have to get out of the habit of using their basic programs like Microsoft Word. I do think Kurzweil makes a very competitive product, however. I've never had the occasion to use it with JAWS. Just out of curiosity, why would you? Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:58 PM To: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write We have adopted Kurzweil 3000 as it works with JAWS. Read and Write does not and from my understanding there are no plans to make it totally accessible to those who are blind. I have used Read and Write in previous settings and it is a great product, however my perspective has shifted towards the use of products that are accessible to all. Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Technical Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7218 (fax) ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Trinh, Marc Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 3:26 PM To: altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu; athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator Information & Computer Access Program Office of Disability Support Services California State University, Fullerton Telephone: 657.278.3043 | Fax: 657.278.2408 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From gdietrich at htctu.net Thu Mar 17 18:04:56 2016 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: High Tech Specialist Position at Taft College In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <015b01d180b2$309b1960$91d14c20$@htctu.net> -----Original Message----- From: Janis [mailto:jmendenhall@taftcollege.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 3:26 PM To: DSP&S Directors Listserver Subject: High Tech Specialist Position at Taft College Taft College is seeking a High Tech Specialist. This is a full time, 11 month, tenure track faculty position. Please check out the attached job description and learn more about Taft College. The deadline for applying is April 11, 2016. Please share with anyone that might be interested. Thank you! Janis Mendenhall Taft College DSP&S Coordinator/Counselor 29 Cougar Court Taft, CA 93268 (661)763-7827 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: High-Tech-Specialist-Announcement.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 495704 bytes Desc: not available URL: From linda.petty at utoronto.ca Fri Mar 18 06:35:54 2016 From: linda.petty at utoronto.ca (Linda Petty) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W Message-ID: Regarding the original question: \ Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator I'd say that the major advantages of K-3000 are: 1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also has some reading functions in PDFs 2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc. 3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week, and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech quality doesn't matter. 4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study notes, improves student's abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material. So our University has chosen to do a web license of Kurzweil 3000, and it has greatly accelerated the use of the product- no more waiting for funding, just register the student, train them, and they are using it immediately for articles, and as soon as we provide the textbook in PDF, for textbooks. (We use Kurzweil 1000 for students who use screen readers.) Linda Petty, O.T. Reg. (Ont.) Assistive Technology Consultant AccessAbility Services a division of Student Affairs UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO SCARBOROUGH Science Wing, Room SW302G 1265 Military Trail, Toronto, Ontario M1C 1A4 Direct Line: 416-208-5144 Tel/TTY (appointments): 416-287-7560 Fax: 416-287-7334 www.utsc.utoronto.ca/ability Tomorrow is created here. This electronic message and all contents contain information that may be privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure, copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy the original message and all copies. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Fri Mar 18 07:26:52 2016 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A3E81@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> I have to jump in here. 1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also has some reading functions in PDFs R&W can also read articles from online databases as well as articles from other online sources. The reading features in PDF is not limited or reduced. 2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc. R&W also provides these features. 3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week, and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech quality doesn't matter. Since you can add just about any voice you want to R&W, I don't see were K3000 has an advantage here. The same voices you are using in K3000 can be added to R&W as well. 4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study notes, improves student's abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material. Again, R&W provides reading with highlighting, ability to highlight sections of text for extraction, etc. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Petty Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:36 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W Regarding the original question: \ Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator I'd say that the major advantages of K-3000 are: 1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also has some reading functions in PDFs 2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc. 3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week, and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech quality doesn't matter. 4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study notes, improves student's abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material. So our University has chosen to do a web license of Kurzweil 3000, and it has greatly accelerated the use of the product- no more waiting for funding, just register the student, train them, and they are using it immediately for articles, and as soon as we provide the textbook in PDF, for textbooks. (We use Kurzweil 1000 for students who use screen readers.) Linda Petty, O.T. Reg. (Ont.) Assistive Technology Consultant AccessAbility Services a division of Student Affairs UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO SCARBOROUGH Science Wing, Room SW302G 1265 Military Trail, Toronto, Ontario M1C 1A4 Direct Line: 416-208-5144 Tel/TTY (appointments): 416-287-7560 Fax: 416-287-7334 www.utsc.utoronto.ca/ability Tomorrow is created here. This electronic message and all contents contain information that may be privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure, copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy the original message and all copies. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Fri Mar 18 09:05:02 2016 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A3E81@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A3E81@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <042ab0a96bc444729fe6940c7bb4f36f@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> Thank you Robert. I was about to say the same thing. The unlimited license allows you to install on students' home computers both Mac and PC so there are no limitations in that arena either. We use about 40 voices in English with British, Indian, Australian and American accents. About a year ago, our regional AT group "ATHES" had the vendors demo both products side by side. We found them to be quite competitive. R&W edges out in ease of use for students in my opinion because it allows you to read in the native document (Word or pdf or webpage). I also found the look of R&W to be slicker and more adult oriented. We use ABBYY and Adobe Pro for optical character recognition and converting documents. If you didn't have either of these, I believe Kurzweil has a features that can do some of that a little better than R&W but we have no need for them. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [uccs-signature-email] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W I have to jump in here. 1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also has some reading functions in PDFs R&W can also read articles from online databases as well as articles from other online sources. The reading features in PDF is not limited or reduced. 2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc. R&W also provides these features. 3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week, and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech quality doesn't matter. Since you can add just about any voice you want to R&W, I don't see were K3000 has an advantage here. The same voices you are using in K3000 can be added to R&W as well. 4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study notes, improves student's abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material. Again, R&W provides reading with highlighting, ability to highlight sections of text for extraction, etc. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Petty Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:36 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W Regarding the original question: \ Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator I'd say that the major advantages of K-3000 are: 1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also has some reading functions in PDFs 2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc. 3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week, and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech quality doesn't matter. 4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study notes, improves student's abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material. So our University has chosen to do a web license of Kurzweil 3000, and it has greatly accelerated the use of the product- no more waiting for funding, just register the student, train them, and they are using it immediately for articles, and as soon as we provide the textbook in PDF, for textbooks. (We use Kurzweil 1000 for students who use screen readers.) Linda Petty, O.T. Reg. (Ont.) Assistive Technology Consultant AccessAbility Services a division of Student Affairs UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO SCARBOROUGH Science Wing, Room SW302G 1265 Military Trail, Toronto, Ontario M1C 1A4 Direct Line: 416-208-5144 Tel/TTY (appointments): 416-287-7560 Fax: 416-287-7334 www.utsc.utoronto.ca/ability Tomorrow is created here. This electronic message and all contents contain information that may be privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure, copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy the original message and all copies. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I always request a copy of the syllabus but I also inform the student they need to email me what they need (or call the office) to assure it is sent on time since I cannot keep track of everyone syllabus and due dates and since dates tend to change is there are class cancellations. Maria Bohn Senior Resource Accommodation Specialist Assistive Technology Office of Specialized Services Bergen Community College From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Fri Mar 18 09:45:37 2016 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Question regarding Alt Text requests and agreements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We do not make a student fill out a form. And we handle the conversion/tracking of books differently than we do handouts. We almost never use the student's syllabus to give us our priorities, but that is more of a volume problem than anything else. Our production center serves 102 students, and there is no way I could keep up with 102 students times 4-5 classes' worth of syllabi. That being said, we do have a process, that I maintain. Students send us their requests for textbook material via email, and we work on a FIFO (First In, First Out) basis. Students who request early often have their books in plenty of time. Students who request late find themselves at the bottom of the pile for production. For articles, handouts, powerpoints, etc., students are told when they have their AT Intake that we need four business days to turn around that type of material. This means if they want to read an article on Friday morning, I had better have it by Monday morning. Using a plain old piece of paper, I keep a running list of the handouts that need to be done, in the order they need to be done or by due date. I do have a staff of students who help with conversions, and they know to take a look at those pending things every time they come in, and work on those articles as they present and are due. I work on those same materials, as well. If a student gives us handouts the night before they want them, I am pretty blunt about telling them I can't promise the articles will be done in that timeframe. The student has to take responsibility for getting us things in a timely manner. They can come in in person, or send us things through email. They are required to tell us when they would like to have the materials back in an accessible format so we can use that information for prioritizing. I make exceptions every once in a while about syllabi. I currently have two students - one with a profound learning disability (he really cannot read print at all but is not cognitively impaired) in a defense/mapping program, and one who is blind and in our doctoral anthropology program who has an immense amount of reading to do. For each of these students, because the production is complex and there is an overwhelming amount of reading, I use the syllabus to keep us on track, and I download their articles straight from Desire-to-Learn. Our goal with both of these students, because of the volume of reading, is to be about two weeks ahead of their reading schedule. This takes an incredible amount of work on our end, and I can't imagine doing that for 102 students! Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Access Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From Teresa.Haven at nau.edu Fri Mar 18 12:10:38 2016 From: Teresa.Haven at nau.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Question regarding Alt Text requests and agreements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDDBAB75@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Hi, Maria. When I was producing alt format, I had a form available for students but it wasn't the only way for them to provide me with information -- so long as I got the info, it wasn't a big deal whether they used the form or not. They did need to confirm in writing periodically that they understood and agreed to basic copyright protections as well as procedures meant to ensure that everyone got what they needed in a timely manner. We requested syllabi or any other information that would help us schedule production and get materials to all students in a timely manner. We maintained a database that helped us keep all the various books, chapters, handouts, and other types of readings/projects on schedule for both production and delivery, since we typically were serving 125-150 students at a time, most of whom were taking full class loads. It was the student's responsibility to notify us if there were changes in requirements, whether those were for different due dates, reduction or addition of materials, etc. Our goal was always to deliver materials a minimum of a week in advance of the course due date, preferably 2 weeks in advance. Early notifiers often got their materials much sooner, but in many cases students didn't have control over when they got the materials or information from their instructors, so we tried not to penalize the students for what they couldn't control. Hope this helps, Teresa Teresa Haven, Ph.D. Accessibility Analyst, Northern Arizona University -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Maria Bohn Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 9:28 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Question regarding Alt Text requests and agreements Importance: High How many of you require a student to fill out a form for Alt Text requests? Including books, handouts etc? Im thinking its more work for the student, but then also thinking no form is more work for me trying to keep track of a syllabus etc. Also do you have students sign any form of agreement at the beginning of the semester? We did just start a paper form that needs to be submitted with anything handed into the office which helps us keep track of requests but Im looking for a "best practices" sort of way to make this smoother on all ends. I always request a copy of the syllabus but I also inform the student they need to email me what they need (or call the office) to assure it is sent on time since I cannot keep track of everyone syllabus and due dates and since dates tend to change is there are class cancellations. Maria Bohn Senior Resource Accommodation Specialist Assistive Technology Office of Specialized Services Bergen Community College _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From sdunn at southeast.edu Fri Mar 18 12:18:44 2016 From: sdunn at southeast.edu (Susie Dunn) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: re.lock down browser In-Reply-To: <0A264E922FC81A439409AF79E2261A050123B6EFC6C3@redbaron2.admin.ucollege.edu> References: <0A264E922FC81A439409AF79E2261A050123B6EFC6C3@redbaron2.admin.ucollege.edu> Message-ID: I'm forwarding this on behalf of a colleague in WINAHEAD. The lockdown is Respondus From: Debbie Forshee-Sweeney [mailto:deforshe@ucollege.edu] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 1:53 PM To: ahead@mccneb.edu Subject: re.lock down browser Hello WINAHEAD, Does anyone know how a person can access a text to speech application when using lock down browser? Thanks, Debbie Forshee-Sweeney, M.Ed., CTA Certified Life Coach Teaching Learning Center, Director _________________________ Union College 3800 South 48th Street Lincoln, NE 68506-4387 402.486.2506 office 402.486.2691 fax www.ucollege.edu/tlc ________________________________ Disclaimer: This e-mail and any attachments contain material that is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you must not use, retain or disclose any information contained in this e-mail. Any views or opinions expressed in the message are solely those of the sender and do not necessarily represent those of Southeast Community College. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From linda.petty at utoronto.ca Fri Mar 18 12:35:33 2016 From: linda.petty at utoronto.ca (Linda Petty) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] the comparison issue, again Message-ID: Hi No bias, just to add to the discussion that the K-3000 web license is also for Mac and Windows, and can be installed on multiple systems-desktops, laptops, home, computer labs at UTSC, etc. Also, the templates, etc. added for the writing supports have been helpful for students who do not need/want to purchase a more extensive software for brainstorming, such as Inspiration. Linda Petty, O.T. Reg. (Ont.) Assistive Technology Consultant AccessAbility Services a division of Student Affairs UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO SCARBOROUGH Science Wing, Room SW302G 1265 Military Trail, Toronto, Ontario M1C 1A4 Direct Line: 416-208-5144 Tel/TTY (appointments): 416-287-7560 Fax: 416-287-7334 www.utsc.utoronto.ca/ability Tomorrow is created here. This electronic message and all contents contain information that may be privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure, copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy the original message and all copies. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Teresa.Haven at nau.edu Fri Mar 18 12:37:24 2016 From: Teresa.Haven at nau.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] re.lock down browser In-Reply-To: References: <0A264E922FC81A439409AF79E2261A050123B6EFC6C3@redbaron2.admin.ucollege.edu> Message-ID: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDDBAE12@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> It can be done, although it's a bit challenging. The local administrator for the campus Respondus system has to whitelist the specific program the user needs access to, AND the faculty member has to specify in their setup of Respondus (for each exam) that the student gets to use the "accessible" version of the program. That being said, there is still a fair chance that the product won't work completely as expected, or at all, in the testing environment, so it's always prudent to have the faculty member set up a "demo exam" with the same conditions so that the student can check it out prior to entering a live exam sitting. Start on this process early since so many people need to be involved. Hope this helps, Teresa Teresa Haven, Ph.D. Accessibility Analyst, Northern Arizona University From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susie Dunn Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 12:19 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] FW: re.lock down browser I'm forwarding this on behalf of a colleague in WINAHEAD. The lockdown is Respondus From: Debbie Forshee-Sweeney [mailto:deforshe@ucollege.edu] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 1:53 PM To: ahead@mccneb.edu Subject: re.lock down browser Hello WINAHEAD, Does anyone know how a person can access a text to speech application when using lock down browser? Thanks, Debbie Forshee-Sweeney, M.Ed., CTA Certified Life Coach Teaching Learning Center, Director _________________________ Union College 3800 South 48th Street Lincoln, NE 68506-4387 402.486.2506 office 402.486.2691 fax www.ucollege.edu/tlc ________________________________ Disclaimer: This e-mail and any attachments contain material that is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you must not use, retain or disclose any information contained in this e-mail. Any views or opinions expressed in the message are solely those of the sender and do not necessarily represent those of Southeast Community College. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sdunn at southeast.edu Fri Mar 18 12:42:09 2016 From: sdunn at southeast.edu (Susie Dunn) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] re.lock down browser In-Reply-To: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDDBAE12@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> References: <0A264E922FC81A439409AF79E2261A050123B6EFC6C3@redbaron2.admin.ucollege.edu> <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDDBAE12@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Message-ID: Thank you Teresa, I'll forward this on. Susie From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Teresa Haven Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 2:37 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] re.lock down browser It can be done, although it's a bit challenging. The local administrator for the campus Respondus system has to whitelist the specific program the user needs access to, AND the faculty member has to specify in their setup of Respondus (for each exam) that the student gets to use the "accessible" version of the program. That being said, there is still a fair chance that the product won't work completely as expected, or at all, in the testing environment, so it's always prudent to have the faculty member set up a "demo exam" with the same conditions so that the student can check it out prior to entering a live exam sitting. Start on this process early since so many people need to be involved. Hope this helps, Teresa Teresa Haven, Ph.D. Accessibility Analyst, Northern Arizona University From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susie Dunn Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 12:19 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] FW: re.lock down browser I'm forwarding this on behalf of a colleague in WINAHEAD. The lockdown is Respondus From: Debbie Forshee-Sweeney [mailto:deforshe@ucollege.edu] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 1:53 PM To: ahead@mccneb.edu Subject: re.lock down browser Hello WINAHEAD, Does anyone know how a person can access a text to speech application when using lock down browser? Thanks, Debbie Forshee-Sweeney, M.Ed., CTA Certified Life Coach Teaching Learning Center, Director _________________________ Union College 3800 South 48th Street Lincoln, NE 68506-4387 402.486.2506 office 402.486.2691 fax www.ucollege.edu/tlc ________________________________ Disclaimer: This e-mail and any attachments contain material that is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you must not use, retain or disclose any information contained in this e-mail. Any views or opinions expressed in the message are solely those of the sender and do not necessarily represent those of Southeast Community College. ________________________________ Disclaimer: This e-mail and any attachments contain material that is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you must not use, retain or disclose any information contained in this e-mail. Any views or opinions expressed in the message are solely those of the sender and do not necessarily represent those of Southeast Community College. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Fri Mar 18 18:02:08 2016 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A3E81@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A3E81@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <029901d1817a$f6ce1830$e46a4890$@htctu.net> If you are really looking to compare these two programs, I would suggest expanding your choices a bit and looking at ClaroRead. ClaroRead is a simple LD reading tool with one extremely unique powerful feature, when you use it to run OCR, it allows you to delete zones that you do not wish to OCR. Kurzweil and R/W automatically do everything on the page. Most students, however, prefer not to have all the captions, footnotes, etc. read. Claro gives you the choice of including them or not. And of the three, Claro is the least expensive. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich HTCTU Director 408-996-6047 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 7:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W I have to jump in here. 1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also has some reading functions in PDFs R&W can also read articles from online databases as well as articles from other online sources. The reading features in PDF is not limited or reduced. 2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc. R&W also provides these features. 3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week, and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech quality doesn't matter. Since you can add just about any voice you want to R&W, I don't see were K3000 has an advantage here. The same voices you are using in K3000 can be added to R&W as well. 4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study notes, improves student's abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material. Again, R&W provides reading with highlighting, ability to highlight sections of text for extraction, etc. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Petty Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:36 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W Regarding the original question: \ Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator I'd say that the major advantages of K-3000 are: 1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also has some reading functions in PDFs 2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc. 3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week, and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech quality doesn't matter. 4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study notes, improves student's abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material. So our University has chosen to do a web license of Kurzweil 3000, and it has greatly accelerated the use of the product- no more waiting for funding, just register the student, train them, and they are using it immediately for articles, and as soon as we provide the textbook in PDF, for textbooks. (We use Kurzweil 1000 for students who use screen readers.) Linda Petty, O.T. Reg. (Ont.) Assistive Technology Consultant AccessAbility Services a division of Student Affairs UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO SCARBOROUGH Science Wing, Room SW302G 1265 Military Trail, Toronto, Ontario M1C 1A4 Direct Line: 416-208-5144 Tel/TTY (appointments): 416-287-7560 Fax: 416-287-7334 www.utsc.utoronto.ca/ability Tomorrow is created here. This electronic message and all contents contain information that may be privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure, copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy the original message and all copies. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Fri Mar 18 18:28:48 2016 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] the comparison issue, again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A3FB6@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> R&W's home license also includes Mac and mobile platforms. It has a tool called Fact Mapper that is similar to Inspiration. ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Linda Petty [linda.petty@utoronto.ca] Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 2:35 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] the comparison issue, again Hi No bias, just to add to the discussion that the K-3000 web license is also for Mac and Windows, and can be installed on multiple systems-desktops, laptops, home, computer labs at UTSC, etc. Also, the templates, etc. added for the writing supports have been helpful for students who do not need/want to purchase a more extensive software for brainstorming, such as Inspiration. Linda Petty, O.T. Reg. (Ont.) Assistive Technology Consultant AccessAbility Services a division of Student Affairs UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO SCARBOROUGH Science Wing, Room SW302G 1265 Military Trail, Toronto, Ontario M1C 1A4 Direct Line: 416-208-5144 Tel/TTY (appointments): 416-287-7560 Fax: 416-287-7334 www.utsc.utoronto.ca/ability Tomorrow is created here. This electronic message and all contents contain information that may be privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure, copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy the original message and all copies. From Joseph.M.Nast at lonestar.edu Sun Mar 20 14:22:49 2016 From: Joseph.M.Nast at lonestar.edu (Nast, Joseph M) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W In-Reply-To: <029901d1817a$f6ce1830$e46a4890$@htctu.net> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A3E81@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <029901d1817a$f6ce1830$e46a4890$@htctu.net> Message-ID: <3de951c5359c417184436fdc9fbfcd76@sovmwexmbx2.LSCS.prv> FYI here's a link to a comparison chart; it's a little dated, but it gives you a nice "bird's eye view" feature comparison of Kurzweil, R&WG, ClaroRead and WYNN: http://www.spectronics.com.au/downloads/faqs/Literacy-Support-Software-Comparison-Chart.pdf Fortunately, we have the luxury of employing both systems at Lone Star College, but it'd be a hard call if I had to choose one or the other. If pressed, I would probably go with R&WG, simply because: - I can use the Managed version in our assessment center instead of providing a human reader, and - the fact that new users find it easier to pick up quickly. However, I'd definitely miss Kurzweil's more extensive writing help features. Not to mention KZ's ability to scan, efficiently OCR, and create audio for entire textbooks (R&WG can only handle a dozen or so pages at a time ). Let me know if you have any questions. Hope it helps! From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:02 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W If you are really looking to compare these two programs, I would suggest expanding your choices a bit and looking at ClaroRead. ClaroRead is a simple LD reading tool with one extremely unique powerful feature, when you use it to run OCR, it allows you to delete zones that you do not wish to OCR. Kurzweil and R/W automatically do everything on the page. Most students, however, prefer not to have all the captions, footnotes, etc. read. Claro gives you the choice of including them or not. And of the three, Claro is the least expensive. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich HTCTU Director 408-996-6047 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 7:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W I have to jump in here. 1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also has some reading functions in PDFs R&W can also read articles from online databases as well as articles from other online sources. The reading features in PDF is not limited or reduced. 2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc. R&W also provides these features. 3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week, and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech quality doesn't matter. Since you can add just about any voice you want to R&W, I don't see were K3000 has an advantage here. The same voices you are using in K3000 can be added to R&W as well. 4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study notes, improves student's abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material. Again, R&W provides reading with highlighting, ability to highlight sections of text for extraction, etc. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Petty Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:36 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W Regarding the original question: \ Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator I'd say that the major advantages of K-3000 are: 1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also has some reading functions in PDFs 2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc. 3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week, and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech quality doesn't matter. 4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study notes, improves student's abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material. So our University has chosen to do a web license of Kurzweil 3000, and it has greatly accelerated the use of the product- no more waiting for funding, just register the student, train them, and they are using it immediately for articles, and as soon as we provide the textbook in PDF, for textbooks. (We use Kurzweil 1000 for students who use screen readers.) Linda Petty, O.T. Reg. (Ont.) Assistive Technology Consultant AccessAbility Services a division of Student Affairs UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO SCARBOROUGH Science Wing, Room SW302G 1265 Military Trail, Toronto, Ontario M1C 1A4 Direct Line: 416-208-5144 Tel/TTY (appointments): 416-287-7560 Fax: 416-287-7334 www.utsc.utoronto.ca/ability Tomorrow is created here. This electronic message and all contents contain information that may be privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure, copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy the original message and all copies. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please let me know if you plan to > attend so I can guestimate the right size table. > > See you in a few. > > Regards, > Howard > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 > cell: 720-351-8668 > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 14-18, 2016. > Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! > * And the *Technology > Access Series *. > Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your > earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > * > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 14-18, 2016. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please let me know if you plan to > attend so I can guestimate the right size table. > > Regards, > Howard > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 > cell: 720-351-8668 > > AHEAD Association of Higher Education and Disability > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 14-18, 2016. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. 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URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Mon Mar 21 12:25:25 2016 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN In-Reply-To: References: <3E04A2F7AAD0E345B673D732D9A53807CB968C9A10@EXC3.ad.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <021a01d183a7$6be6cd00$43b46700$@htctu.net> I may end up just coming in for dessert. ;-) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich HTCTU Director 408-996-6047 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 7:42 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN Sounds good Susan. -Howard On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Susan Kelmer wrote: I will be there. -Susan ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer [hkramer@ahead.org] Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN Dear Colleagues: As per previous years, we'll be meeting at the Harbor House (behind the Grand Hyatt) on Thursday evening (8:15 p.m.), March 5, at CSUN (International Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference) for dinner and for ATHEN members to provide their input on this year's Accessing Higher Ground conference. Please let me know if you plan to attend so I can guestimate the right size table. Regards, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 AHEAD Association of Higher Education and Disability _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 14-18, 2016. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jeremy.Zhe-Heimerman at cortland.edu Mon Mar 21 12:40:33 2016 From: Jeremy.Zhe-Heimerman at cortland.edu (Jeremy Zhe-Heimerman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W In-Reply-To: <3de951c5359c417184436fdc9fbfcd76@sovmwexmbx2.LSCS.prv> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A3E81@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <029901d1817a$f6ce1830$e46a4890$@htctu.net> <3de951c5359c417184436fdc9fbfcd76@sovmwexmbx2.LSCS.prv> Message-ID: As a campus that just purchased R&W, I'm interested in your comment about using it in the assessment center instead of a human reader. We have had Kurzweil 3000 for years and we use it to read aloud exams to students. While I'm thrilled with many of the R&W features, I'm a bit concerned about moving to R&W for exams. In K3000, it's so easy to edit zones when necessary and add bookmarks that will automatically pause reading at the end of each question. I'm sure R&W will be sufficient for exams, but I'm wondering if you and everyone else have suggestions on optimizing R&W for test-takers. Thanks! Jeremy Zhe-Heimerman Coordinator, Assistive Technology & Test Administration Services B-204, Memorial Library SUNY Cortland PO Box 2000 81 Prospect Terrace Cortland, NY 13045 607-753-2358 [541aa3ae-22f4-4ed9-bfd4-35cb8d8633b6] From: Nast, Joseph M [mailto:Joseph.M.Nast@lonestar.edu] Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM To: 'gdietrich@htctu.net' ; 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W FYI here's a link to a comparison chart; it's a little dated, but it gives you a nice "bird's eye view" feature comparison of Kurzweil, R&WG, ClaroRead and WYNN: http://www.spectronics.com.au/downloads/faqs/Literacy-Support-Software-Comparison-Chart.pdf Fortunately, we have the luxury of employing both systems at Lone Star College, but it'd be a hard call if I had to choose one or the other. If pressed, I would probably go with R&WG, simply because: - I can use the Managed version in our assessment center instead of providing a human reader, and - the fact that new users find it easier to pick up quickly. However, I'd definitely miss Kurzweil's more extensive writing help features. Not to mention KZ's ability to scan, efficiently OCR, and create audio for entire textbooks (R&WG can only handle a dozen or so pages at a time ). Let me know if you have any questions. Hope it helps! From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:02 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W If you are really looking to compare these two programs, I would suggest expanding your choices a bit and looking at ClaroRead. ClaroRead is a simple LD reading tool with one extremely unique powerful feature, when you use it to run OCR, it allows you to delete zones that you do not wish to OCR. Kurzweil and R/W automatically do everything on the page. Most students, however, prefer not to have all the captions, footnotes, etc. read. Claro gives you the choice of including them or not. And of the three, Claro is the least expensive. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich HTCTU Director 408-996-6047 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 7:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W I have to jump in here. 1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also has some reading functions in PDFs R&W can also read articles from online databases as well as articles from other online sources. The reading features in PDF is not limited or reduced. 2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc. R&W also provides these features. 3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week, and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech quality doesn't matter. Since you can add just about any voice you want to R&W, I don't see were K3000 has an advantage here. The same voices you are using in K3000 can be added to R&W as well. 4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study notes, improves student's abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material. Again, R&W provides reading with highlighting, ability to highlight sections of text for extraction, etc. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Petty Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:36 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W Regarding the original question: \ Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator I'd say that the major advantages of K-3000 are: 1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also has some reading functions in PDFs 2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc. 3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week, and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech quality doesn't matter. 4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study notes, improves student's abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material. So our University has chosen to do a web license of Kurzweil 3000, and it has greatly accelerated the use of the product- no more waiting for funding, just register the student, train them, and they are using it immediately for articles, and as soon as we provide the textbook in PDF, for textbooks. (We use Kurzweil 1000 for students who use screen readers.) Linda Petty, O.T. Reg. (Ont.) Assistive Technology Consultant AccessAbility Services a division of Student Affairs UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO SCARBOROUGH Science Wing, Room SW302G 1265 Military Trail, Toronto, Ontario M1C 1A4 Direct Line: 416-208-5144 Tel/TTY (appointments): 416-287-7560 Fax: 416-287-7334 www.utsc.utoronto.ca/ability Tomorrow is created here. This electronic message and all contents contain information that may be privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure, copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy the original message and all copies. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:40 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 24 Just a reminder to send me an email if you plan to attend the Thursday evening (8:15 p.m.) on March 24 at CSUN for ATHEN members (and anyone else) to provide their input on this year's Accessing Higher Ground conference. Hope to see you there. Regards, Howard On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Howard Kramer > wrote: (Rachel's message reminded me I should send out this notice). Dear Colleagues: As per previous years, I'd like to hold a dinner/meeting at the Harbor House (behind the Grand Hyatt) on Thursday evening (8:15 p.m.), March 24, at CSUN (International Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference) for dinner and for ATHEN members to provide their input on this year's Accessing Higher Ground conference. Please let me know if you plan to attend so I can guestimate the right size table. See you in a few. Regards, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 14-18, 2016. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 14-18, 2016. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Mon Mar 21 12:54:19 2016 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared R&W Message-ID: <026f01d183ab$7543a9f0$5fcafdd0$@htctu.net> I believe someone else might have pointed this out, but it is good to keep in mind that of the products under discussion, only Kurzweil has a version (the K1000) that works for individuals who are blind. All of the other software we are considering is really LD focused, and the full-range of features are not available to someone who cannot use a mouse-nor are the other programs set up to be used without vision. Even when keyboard shortcuts are present, the whole interface is set up visually, and many of the choices are inherently visual. K1000, on the other, is really designed to be used without vision (self-voicing menus, for instance). One of the nice things about the Kurzweil products is that both K3000 and K1000 can use the same KESI files. You can create files on either program and use them with either program. If you go with a competing product, it would be good to spend a few minutes considering how you will accommodate any users who are blind who wish to use scanning and reading software. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich HTCTU Director 408-996-6047 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: Nast, Joseph M [mailto:Joseph.M.Nast@lonestar.edu] Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:23 PM To: 'gdietrich@htctu.net'; 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W FYI here's a link to a comparison chart; it's a little dated, but it gives you a nice "bird's eye view" feature comparison of Kurzweil, R&WG, ClaroRead and WYNN: http://www.spectronics.com.au/downloads/faqs/Literacy-Support-Software-Compa rison-Chart.pdf Fortunately, we have the luxury of employing both systems at Lone Star College, but it'd be a hard call if I had to choose one or the other. If pressed, I would probably go with R&WG, simply because: - I can use the Managed version in our assessment center instead of providing a human reader, and - the fact that new users find it easier to pick up quickly. However, I'd definitely miss Kurzweil's more extensive writing help features. Not to mention KZ's ability to scan, efficiently OCR, and create audio for entire textbooks (R&WG can only handle a dozen or so pages at a time ). Let me know if you have any questions. Hope it helps! From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:02 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W If you are really looking to compare these two programs, I would suggest expanding your choices a bit and looking at ClaroRead. ClaroRead is a simple LD reading tool with one extremely unique powerful feature, when you use it to run OCR, it allows you to delete zones that you do not wish to OCR. Kurzweil and R/W automatically do everything on the page. Most students, however, prefer not to have all the captions, footnotes, etc. read. Claro gives you the choice of including them or not. And of the three, Claro is the least expensive. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich HTCTU Director 408-996-6047 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 7:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W I have to jump in here. 1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also has some reading functions in PDFs R&W can also read articles from online databases as well as articles from other online sources. The reading features in PDF is not limited or reduced. 2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc. R&W also provides these features. 3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week, and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech quality doesn't matter. Since you can add just about any voice you want to R&W, I don't see were K3000 has an advantage here. The same voices you are using in K3000 can be added to R&W as well. 4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study notes, improves student's abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material. Again, R&W provides reading with highlighting, ability to highlight sections of text for extraction, etc. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Petty Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:36 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W Regarding the original question: \ Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator I'd say that the major advantages of K-3000 are: 1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also has some reading functions in PDFs 2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc. 3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week, and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech quality doesn't matter. 4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study notes, improves student's abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material. So our University has chosen to do a web license of Kurzweil 3000, and it has greatly accelerated the use of the product- no more waiting for funding, just register the student, train them, and they are using it immediately for articles, and as soon as we provide the textbook in PDF, for textbooks. (We use Kurzweil 1000 for students who use screen readers.) Linda Petty, O.T. Reg. (Ont.) Assistive Technology Consultant AccessAbility Services a division of Student Affairs UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO SCARBOROUGH Science Wing, Room SW302G 1265 Military Trail, Toronto, Ontario M1C 1A4 Direct Line: 416-208-5144 Tel/TTY (appointments): 416-287-7560 Fax: 416-287-7334 www.utsc.utoronto.ca/ability Tomorrow is created here. This electronic message and all contents contain information that may be privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure, copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy the original message and all copies. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Joseph.M.Nast at lonestar.edu Mon Mar 21 13:30:57 2016 From: Joseph.M.Nast at lonestar.edu (Nast, Joseph M) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W In-Reply-To: References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A3E81@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <029901d1817a$f6ce1830$e46a4890$@htctu.net> <3de951c5359c417184436fdc9fbfcd76@sovmwexmbx2.LSCS.prv> Message-ID: <977a8b5055ad4215a67ea34f0c50327d@sovmwexmbx2.LSCS.prv> FYI the managed version (or add-on) is also called the Teacher's Toolkit.We use the ability to assign specific R&WG feature sets to a generic "testing user" to control what functionality may be available to any given test taker. Oddly, TextHelp has removed the Teacher's Toolkit intro video from their website, but here's a link to a PDF with more info: https://www.texthelp.com/Uploads/MediaLibrary/texthelp/US-Training-Documents/R-W-11-5-Gold-Teacher-Toolkit-USA.pdf I suppose I should've qualified in my earlier email that the R&WG solution is used as a human reader substitute primarily for students with ability differences other than those who are blind or have low vision (or DHH naturally). Additionally, the only time we might use it for mathematics exams would be in a rare instance when a student's ONLY having issues understanding word problems specifically. We employ it differently than we did with KZ (which we could never get to work with Lockdown Browser anyway). We used to create audio files as you describe, and the student would simply play the audio when taking the test. Now, we train the student to use R&WG, and he\she uses it to read a scanned\MS Word\PDF copy of the exam. Hope that helped a little. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Jeremy Zhe-Heimerman Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 2:41 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W As a campus that just purchased R&W, I'm interested in your comment about using it in the assessment center instead of a human reader. We have had Kurzweil 3000 for years and we use it to read aloud exams to students. While I'm thrilled with many of the R&W features, I'm a bit concerned about moving to R&W for exams. In K3000, it's so easy to edit zones when necessary and add bookmarks that will automatically pause reading at the end of each question. I'm sure R&W will be sufficient for exams, but I'm wondering if you and everyone else have suggestions on optimizing R&W for test-takers. Thanks! Jeremy Zhe-Heimerman Coordinator, Assistive Technology & Test Administration Services B-204, Memorial Library SUNY Cortland PO Box 2000 81 Prospect Terrace Cortland, NY 13045 607-753-2358 [541aa3ae-22f4-4ed9-bfd4-35cb8d8633b6] From: Nast, Joseph M [mailto:Joseph.M.Nast@lonestar.edu] Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM To: 'gdietrich@htctu.net' >; 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W FYI here's a link to a comparison chart; it's a little dated, but it gives you a nice "bird's eye view" feature comparison of Kurzweil, R&WG, ClaroRead and WYNN: http://www.spectronics.com.au/downloads/faqs/Literacy-Support-Software-Comparison-Chart.pdf Fortunately, we have the luxury of employing both systems at Lone Star College, but it'd be a hard call if I had to choose one or the other. If pressed, I would probably go with R&WG, simply because: - I can use the Managed version in our assessment center instead of providing a human reader, and - the fact that new users find it easier to pick up quickly. However, I'd definitely miss Kurzweil's more extensive writing help features. Not to mention KZ's ability to scan, efficiently OCR, and create audio for entire textbooks (R&WG can only handle a dozen or so pages at a time ). Let me know if you have any questions. Hope it helps! From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:02 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W If you are really looking to compare these two programs, I would suggest expanding your choices a bit and looking at ClaroRead. ClaroRead is a simple LD reading tool with one extremely unique powerful feature, when you use it to run OCR, it allows you to delete zones that you do not wish to OCR. Kurzweil and R/W automatically do everything on the page. Most students, however, prefer not to have all the captions, footnotes, etc. read. Claro gives you the choice of including them or not. And of the three, Claro is the least expensive. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich HTCTU Director 408-996-6047 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 7:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W I have to jump in here. 1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also has some reading functions in PDFs R&W can also read articles from online databases as well as articles from other online sources. The reading features in PDF is not limited or reduced. 2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc. R&W also provides these features. 3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week, and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech quality doesn't matter. Since you can add just about any voice you want to R&W, I don't see were K3000 has an advantage here. The same voices you are using in K3000 can be added to R&W as well. 4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study notes, improves student's abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material. Again, R&W provides reading with highlighting, ability to highlight sections of text for extraction, etc. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Petty Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:36 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W Regarding the original question: \ Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator I'd say that the major advantages of K-3000 are: 1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also has some reading functions in PDFs 2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc. 3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week, and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech quality doesn't matter. 4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study notes, improves student's abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material. So our University has chosen to do a web license of Kurzweil 3000, and it has greatly accelerated the use of the product- no more waiting for funding, just register the student, train them, and they are using it immediately for articles, and as soon as we provide the textbook in PDF, for textbooks. (We use Kurzweil 1000 for students who use screen readers.) Linda Petty, O.T. Reg. (Ont.) Assistive Technology Consultant AccessAbility Services a division of Student Affairs UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO SCARBOROUGH Science Wing, Room SW302G 1265 Military Trail, Toronto, Ontario M1C 1A4 Direct Line: 416-208-5144 Tel/TTY (appointments): 416-287-7560 Fax: 416-287-7334 www.utsc.utoronto.ca/ability Tomorrow is created here. This electronic message and all contents contain information that may be privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure, copy, distribution or use of the contents of this message is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy the original message and all copies. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All students new to this accommodation meet with me for an Alternative Text Review which informs the student about our alternative text process, policy and requirements. At this review the student provides me with information on what technology they will be using to listen to their alt text files. Do they have a laptop, MAC, PC, iPad , tablet, Victor Reader Stream, Learning Ally membership etc. Are they using any special software now that can be used to play their alt text files? Such as JAWS, Read and Write, Kurzweil, etc. This information is useful so I know the formats of the files the student can use. Such as PDF, Word Doc, .rtf, .txt , DAISY, MP3, MAC,. I don't want to give a student a file that is not compatible with the technology they are using. If they do not have text to speech software now I let them know about some free text to speech software that can be downloaded and used. Such as NaturalReader and AMIS for DAISY books. If I have already met with the student I don't need to see them again the following semester, unless of course they have questions for me or need to inform me of changes in the technology they are using. Each semester the student signs our alternative text policies/procedures form which covers copyright laws, no reproducing or distributing files, method of delivery, and technical assistance. Once alt text file/s are ready I notify the student using our notification form. This form captures the date and how the student was notified their alt text is ready. It lists the files they are receiving, how the student would like their alt text delivered (CD, thumb drive (provided by them), Drop box), has the book receipt/s been received . This form is signed by student when they pick up their files. Files are not released until I receive the book receipt. I request a course syllabus when I have to scan a book for a student so I know if the entire book is needed, just certain chapters, order of the reading assignments and when they are needed. Depending on the book and work load I may decide to manually scan the book a page at a time or I get a desk copy from publisher for scanning if I will need to cut spine off book. If something is urgently needed by the student (one or two chapters) I usually ask them to leave their book and the scanning can be done in a few hours to a day or two, all depending on schedule and work load. To keep track of this whole process I have created a database which contains the student's information, date process was started, the alt text files needed for semester, by course, book info, date file was requested from publisher or from Bookshare, has a book receipt been received, has the student been notified, and did they pick up their files. I can run a report anytime to show me if any follow up is needed. This helps me to make sure I have taken care of all the alt text requests. Hope this helps Pam LaBella Assistive Technology/Alternative Text Specialist The Learning Accommodations Center Northern Essex Community College Behrakis One-Stop Student Services Center SC105 100 Elliot Street, Haverhill, MA 01830 Tel# 978-556-3705 -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Maria Bohn Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 12:28 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Question regarding Alt Text requests and agreements Importance: High How many of you require a student to fill out a form for Alt Text requests? Including books, handouts etc? Im thinking its more work for the student, but then also thinking no form is more work for me trying to keep track of a syllabus etc. Also do you have students sign any form of agreement at the beginning of the semester? We did just start a paper form that needs to be submitted with anything handed into the office which helps us keep track of requests but Im looking for a "best practices" sort of way to make this smoother on all ends. I always request a copy of the syllabus but I also inform the student they need to email me what they need (or call the office) to assure it is sent on time since I cannot keep track of everyone syllabus and due dates and since dates tend to change is there are class cancellations. Maria Bohn Senior Resource Accommodation Specialist Assistive Technology Office of Specialized Services Bergen Community College _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From coco.napolis at csueastbay.edu Wed Mar 23 08:41:24 2016 From: coco.napolis at csueastbay.edu (Corazon Napolis) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Pearson Math Editor - thoughts? Message-ID: Please forgive cross-post. http://accessibility.pearson.com/mathex-app/ A student had me take a look at this and give some input to give back to the Pearson rep managing the project. They are looking at "supporting" mathML imports/eports and possibly LaTex. Wondering how students could use this tool either in their studies ie for homework. >From an alt media perspective I do not see this being a tool for production and could possibly hinder use unless the mathML import is available. Any thoughts? -- *Corazon (Coco) Napolis* Accessible Media Coordinator Accessibility Services California State University, East Bay Accessibility Services, Rm. LI 2400 25800 Carlos Bee Blvd, Hayward CA 94542-3057 TEL | 510-885-3831 FAX | 510-885-7633 *"To receive much, Is to give much."* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wondering how students could use this tool either in their studies ie for homework. >From an alt media perspective I do not see this being a tool for production and could possibly hinder use unless the mathML import is available. Any thoughts? -- Corazon (Coco) Napolis Accessible Media Coordinator Accessibility Services California State University, East Bay Accessibility Services, Rm. LI 2400 25800 Carlos Bee Blvd, Hayward CA 94542-3057 TEL | 510-885-3831 FAX | 510-885-7633 "To receive much, Is to give much." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at ccctechcenter.org Wed Mar 23 10:34:20 2016 From: skeegan at ccctechcenter.org (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Pearson Math Editor - thoughts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That would be fantastic if you could share comments and insights about the tool from CSUN. It looks interesting and I see potential as a digital scratchpad for entering math content. That said, some of the UI design choices are rather...unique. For example, why did they add braille for the aria-label text in the buttons? If someone is using a braille display, then the text content of a button or label would already be converted to braille...weird. Thanks for any information you can find, Susan. Take care, Sean On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Susan Kelmer wrote: > I am right now attending a session on this at CSUN and will be attending a > later one as well, and talking to them at their booth. I can share that > information once I know more, if that would help. > > > Susan Kelmer > > Alternate Format Access Coordinator > > University of Colorado Boulder > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* athen-list on > behalf of Corazon Napolis > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 9:41 AM > *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Subject:* [Athen] Pearson Math Editor - thoughts? > > Please forgive cross-post. > > http://accessibility.pearson.com/mathex-app/ > > A student had me take a look at this and give some input to give back to > the Pearson rep managing the project. They are looking at "supporting" > mathML imports/eports and possibly LaTex. Wondering how students could use > this tool either in their studies ie for homework. > > From an alt media perspective I do not see this being a tool for > production and could possibly hinder use unless the mathML import is > available. > > Any thoughts? > -- > > *Corazon (Coco) Napolis* > > Accessible Media Coordinator > > Accessibility Services > > California State University, East Bay > > Accessibility Services, Rm. LI 2400 > > 25800 Carlos Bee Blvd, Hayward CA 94542-3057 > > TEL | 510-885-3831 FAX | 510-885-7633 > > *"To receive much, Is to give much."* > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kcahill at mit.edu Wed Mar 23 13:35:34 2016 From: kcahill at mit.edu (Kathleen Cahill) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon and music notation software Message-ID: Hi Colleagues, Has anyone successfully used Dragon Naturally Speaking with music notation software, such as Finale or Sibelius? We have a student composer who would love to know. Thanks Kathy Kathleen Cahill MIT Assistive Technology Information Center (ATIC) 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 (617) 253-5111 kcahill@mit.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awumstead at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 13:56:13 2016 From: awumstead at gmail.com (Alexander Umstead) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon and music notation software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56F302ED.50402@gmail.com> Kathy, I do not have extensive experience with Dragon, but I have used Sibelius frequently in the past. One of the features I like is the ability to enter notes through keystrokes (A, B, C, etc. for the respective notes). If there is a way for Dragon to simulate keyboard entry, I would say that basic notation, at least, would be possible. Alex *Alexander W. Umstead*| PhD Student, Cultural Foundations of Education/Disability Studies CAS Student, Instructional Design Foundations 330 & 350 Huntington Hall Syracuse, New York 13244 *e* aumstead@syr.edu *SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY* syr.edu --- *If you have any difficulties accessing this message or any associated content*, please do not hesitate to email me. On 3/23/16 4:35 PM, Kathleen Cahill wrote: > Hi Colleagues, > > Has anyone successfully used Dragon Naturally Speaking with music > notation software, such as Finale or Sibelius? We have a student > composer who would love to know. > > Thanks > Kathy > > Kathleen Cahill > MIT Assistive Technology Information Center (ATIC) > 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 > Cambridge MA 02139 > (617) 253-5111 > kcahill@mit.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net Wed Mar 23 14:34:49 2016 From: ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Dragon and music notation software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FECEAE6-9D11-4B52-AE25-391D21E79870@techpotential.net> I haven?t specifically used Finale with Dragon NS, but since most if not all of the commands have keyboard shortcuts, you ought to be able to create application-specific voice macros for these commands so that, for example, saying ?jump to previous measure? enters a shift-left arrow. After creating these (and there will be a lot), I recommend that the student train each of them through vocabulary training. Here?s a summary of Finale shortcuts: http://www.finalemusic.com/UserManuals/Finale2012Win/Content/Finale/Keyboard_Shortcuts_and_Special_Mouse_Clicks.htm - Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant www.TechPotential.net > On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:35 PM, Kathleen Cahill wrote: > > Hi Colleagues, > > Has anyone successfully used Dragon Naturally Speaking with music notation software, such as Finale or Sibelius? We have a student composer who would love to know. > > Thanks > Kathy > > Kathleen Cahill > MIT Assistive Technology Information Center (ATIC) > 77 Mass. 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Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: invite for proposals - AHG 2016.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 75402 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Wed Mar 23 18:17:31 2016 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] AHG 2016 - Call for Proposals is now Open Message-ID: *Accessing Higher Ground: Accessible Media, Web & Technology Conference ? November 14-18, 2016* AHG 2016 is now accepting proposals for its 19th Annual Conference in Westminster, Colorado. *AHG focuses on accessible media, Universal Design, best practices for web & media design, * *accessible curriculum, alternate format and other topics related to accessibility * *in higher education and other environments. * *The proposal submission deadline is April 22.* More information and a link to the online proposal form can be found at our speaker information page . *Contact Howard Kramer at *hkramer@ahead.org* or 303-492-8672 <303-492-8672> with questions. * -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 14-18, 2016. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mtrinh at Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU Thu Mar 24 14:48:02 2016 From: mtrinh at Exchange.FULLERTON.EDU (Trinh, Marc) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared R&W In-Reply-To: <026f01d183ab$7543a9f0$5fcafdd0$@htctu.net> References: <026f01d183ab$7543a9f0$5fcafdd0$@htctu.net> Message-ID: <8AD36FA7EC9DF14E8D8CDD17738A469A785271FC@EXCHMBX2.AD.FULLERTON.EDU> Thank you to everyone who responded to my inquiry on the ATHEN and HTCTU Alt Media listservs. Many of you responded to me privately as well... I very much appreciate your input! Marc Trinh CSU, Fullerton From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:54 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared R&W I believe someone else might have pointed this out, but it is good to keep in mind that of the products under discussion, only Kurzweil has a version (the K1000) that works for individuals who are blind. All of the other software we are considering is really LD focused, and the full-range of features are not available to someone who cannot use a mouse-nor are the other programs set up to be used without vision. Even when keyboard shortcuts are present, the whole interface is set up visually, and many of the choices are inherently visual. K1000, on the other, is really designed to be used without vision (self-voicing menus, for instance). One of the nice things about the Kurzweil products is that both K3000 and K1000 can use the same KESI files. You can create files on either program and use them with either program. If you go with a competing product, it would be good to spend a few minutes considering how you will accommodate any users who are blind who wish to use scanning and reading software. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich HTCTU Director 408-996-6047 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: Nast, Joseph M [mailto:Joseph.M.Nast@lonestar.edu] Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:23 PM To: 'gdietrich@htctu.net'; 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: RE: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W FYI here's a link to a comparison chart; it's a little dated, but it gives you a nice "bird's eye view" feature comparison of Kurzweil, R&WG, ClaroRead and WYNN: http://www.spectronics.com.au/downloads/faqs/Literacy-Support-Software-Comparison-Chart.pdf Fortunately, we have the luxury of employing both systems at Lone Star College, but it'd be a hard call if I had to choose one or the other. If pressed, I would probably go with R&WG, simply because: - I can use the Managed version in our assessment center instead of providing a human reader, and - the fact that new users find it easier to pick up quickly. However, I'd definitely miss Kurzweil's more extensive writing help features. Not to mention KZ's ability to scan, efficiently OCR, and create audio for entire textbooks (R&WG can only handle a dozen or so pages at a time ). Let me know if you have any questions. Hope it helps! From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Gaeir Dietrich Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:02 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W If you are really looking to compare these two programs, I would suggest expanding your choices a bit and looking at ClaroRead. ClaroRead is a simple LD reading tool with one extremely unique powerful feature, when you use it to run OCR, it allows you to delete zones that you do not wish to OCR. Kurzweil and R/W automatically do everything on the page. Most students, however, prefer not to have all the captions, footnotes, etc. read. Claro gives you the choice of including them or not. And of the three, Claro is the least expensive. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich HTCTU Director 408-996-6047 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 7:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W I have to jump in here. 1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also has some reading functions in PDFs R&W can also read articles from online databases as well as articles from other online sources. The reading features in PDF is not limited or reduced. 2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc. R&W also provides these features. 3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week, and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech quality doesn't matter. Since you can add just about any voice you want to R&W, I don't see were K3000 has an advantage here. The same voices you are using in K3000 can be added to R&W as well. 4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study notes, improves student's abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material. Again, R&W provides reading with highlighting, ability to highlight sections of text for extraction, etc. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Linda Petty Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 8:36 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] back to the question of features of K-3000 compared to R&W Regarding the original question: \ Subject: [Athen] Kurzweil 3000 vs. Read&Write Hello everyone, Our program is considering a transition from Kurzweil 3000 to Read&Write. While I understand there are many advantages and disadvantages, I was wondering if you can give me a comparison if you have experience with both programs. Thank you, [CSUF logo] Marc T. Trinh, M.S., Coordinator I'd say that the major advantages of K-3000 are: 1/ independent use by students, as K-3000 can open any article from electronic libraries, HTML, Word, etc, without needing staff support, compared to R&W which is designed to work in Word and also has some reading functions in PDFs 2/ K-3000 has extensive study features, esp in the Windows platform, to extract text to study notes, insert dictionary definitions, add your own definitions and examples, etc., to analyze the text with less typing, and a solid structure to support writing, with brainstorming, drafts, outlines, etc., where again, you can extract text for quotes, etc. 3/ the Acapella speech in K-3000, while not as good as the previous Voiceware products, allows students to read volumes of text. At Cdn universities, students are reading 50 pages of dense text/course/week, and need highly intelligible speech. Many of our Universities are going with a Web license of K-3000, whereas the colleges, which grant certificates and diplomas and have a much smaller volume of reading, are going with R&W, because it is cheaper and the speech quality doesn't matter. 4/ outcome measures indicate that students with ADD, LDs and mental health issues find the reading with highlighting, and reading for meaning, looking for important sections to extract for study notes, improves student's abilities to both get through their readings in a timely manner, comprehend the readings, and learn the material. So our University has chosen to do a web license of Kurzweil 3000, and it has greatly accelerated the use of the product- no more waiting for funding, just register the student, train them, and they are using it immediately for articles, and as soon as we provide the textbook in PDF, for textbooks. (We use Kurzweil 1000 for students who use screen readers.) Linda Petty, O.T. Reg. (Ont.) 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Alex Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Adam Lipkin wrote: > > Hi, folks -- > > We have a student in the Distance Learning program at our school who is reporting that she cannot use Voiceover with the discussion forum posts in our LMS (which is a customized form of Moodle). > > We have two on-campus blind students who rely solely on VoiceOver, and read discussion forums just fine. So we know that the systems work together. And we're asking for more info (since "not working" isn't exactly helpful). > > But in general, how are folks dealing with troubleshooting issues with distance learning folks and other remote users? Is there a best practice? > > Thanks! > > --Adam > > -- > Adam Lipkin > he/him/his > > Associate Director for Academic Technology > alipkin@brandeis.edu > 781-736-4795 > Brandeis University Library and Technology Services > Mailstop 045 > Waltham, MA 02454 > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alipkin at brandeis.edu Fri Mar 25 08:47:10 2016 From: alipkin at brandeis.edu (Adam Lipkin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Supporting and troubleshooting distance learning students? In-Reply-To: <537A29EB-DDB4-4B37-9A96-4BA6025C2A65@gmail.com> References: <537A29EB-DDB4-4B37-9A96-4BA6025C2A65@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Alex -- Good question that I should have clarified in my email.. Both the person with the problem and at least one of our on-campus students are using it on OSX (and I've sent a follow-up email asking the usual questions, like the browser, the OSX version, what the actual problem is, etc). Thanks, Adam On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Alex Umstead wrote: > Adam, > I haven't had experience with this, specifically, but my first thought is, > are the students are using voiceover on the same platform? Or are some > using it on OS X on a Mac, and others on iOS? > > Alex > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Adam Lipkin wrote: > > Hi, folks -- > > We have a student in the Distance Learning program at our school who is > reporting that she cannot use Voiceover with the discussion forum posts in > our LMS (which is a customized form of Moodle). > > We have two on-campus blind students who rely solely on VoiceOver, and > read discussion forums just fine. So we know that the systems work > together. And we're asking for more info (since "not working" isn't exactly > helpful). > > But in general, how are folks dealing with troubleshooting issues with > distance learning folks and other remote users? Is there a best practice? > > Thanks! > > --Adam > > -- > Adam Lipkin > he/him/his > > Associate Director for Academic Technology > alipkin@brandeis.edu > 781-736-4795 > Brandeis University Library and Technology Services > Mailstop 045 > Waltham, MA 02454 > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Adam Lipkin he/him/his Associate Director for Academic Technology alipkin@brandeis.edu 781-736-4795 Brandeis University Library and Technology Services Mailstop 045 Waltham, MA 02454 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 3/25/16 11:47 AM, Adam Lipkin wrote: > Hi, Alex -- > > Good question that I should have clarified in my email.. Both the > person with the problem and at least one of our on-campus students are > using it on OSX (and I've sent a follow-up email asking the usual > questions, like the browser, the OSX version, what the actual problem > is, etc). > > Thanks, > > Adam > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Alex Umstead > wrote: > > Adam, > I haven't had experience with this, specifically, but my first > thought is, are the students are using voiceover on the same > platform? Or are some using it on OS X on a Mac, and others on iOS? > > Alex > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 25, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Adam Lipkin > wrote: > >> Hi, folks -- >> >> We have a student in the Distance Learning program at our school >> who is reporting that she cannot use Voiceover with the >> discussion forum posts in our LMS (which is a customized form of >> Moodle). >> >> We have two on-campus blind students who rely solely on >> VoiceOver, and read discussion forums just fine. So we know that >> the systems work together. And we're asking for more info (since >> "not working" isn't exactly helpful). >> >> But in general, how are folks dealing with troubleshooting issues >> with distance learning folks and other remote users? Is there a >> best practice? >> >> Thanks! >> >> --Adam >> >> -- >> Adam Lipkin >> he/him/his >> >> Associate Director for Academic Technology >> alipkin@brandeis.edu >> 781-736-4795 >> Brandeis University Library and Technology Services >> Mailstop 045 >> Waltham, MA 02454 >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > Adam Lipkin > he/him/his > > Associate Director for Academic Technology > alipkin@brandeis.edu > 781-736-4795 > Brandeis University Library and Technology Services > Mailstop 045 > Waltham, MA 02454 > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Umstead*| PhD Student, Cultural Foundations of Education/Disability Studies CAS Student, Instructional Design Foundations 330 & 350 Huntington Hall Syracuse, New York 13244 *e* aumstead@syr.edu *SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY* syr.edu --- *If you have any difficulties accessing this message or any associated content*, please do not hesitate to email me. On 3/25/16 11:26 AM, Tabitha A. Mancini wrote: > > Hello all, > > We are going to be live streaming our commencement ceremony for the > first time. Does anyone have a recommendation for a company that > you?ve had good success with? Has anyone used captioning software for > a live event? > > Thanks so much! > > Tabitha Mancini, M.A., Educational Psychology > > Assistant Director & Assistive Technology Specialist > > Student Disability Services > > Western New England University > > 1215 Wilbraham Rd. > > Springfield, MA 01119 > > Phone: (413) 782-1513 > > Fax: (413) 782-1575 > > www.wne.edu/sd s > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Leslie Kanes Weisman Multiple Perspectives is an ongoing exploration of disability, a conversation including many voices and reflecting perspectives gained through experience and research; theory and practice, arts and sciences. Featured Public Events April 13th 3:00-6:00pm in the Blackwell's ball room AUTISTEXT: The 2016 Ethel Louise Armstrong Lecture (3:00-4:30pm) presented by Melanie Yergeau, Assistant Professor at the University of Michigan. When autistic people disclose being autistic, we are often met with intrusive questions and hostile responses: Who diagnosed you? When were you toilet-trained? Well, you don't look autistic to me. Autism disclosure can be taken by others as an opportunity to tally our symptoms, to compare our disclosures against autism stereotypes or misinformed ideas about diagnostic criteria. In this talk, Melanie examines the ways in which disability disclosures are often read as invitations to refute diagnosis. The ability to say, "I have autism," for example, is often viewed as evidence that one does not have autism - or, at least, not "real" or "severe" autism. As a means of speaking back to these stereotypes, Melanie examines the ways in which autistic bloggers redefine what diagnosis can mean for autistic people. The Ethel Louise Armstrong Student Perspectives Poster Reception (4:30-6:00pm) Featuring graduate research & undergraduate research, art & performance, community service and class projects the reception encourages students to network with professionals, the community, and scholars who share their interests in the science, art, culture, politics and realities of disability. The Ethel Louise Armstrong Lecture and Student Poster Competition are free and open to the public. Held annually at The Ohio State University's Multiple Perspectives Conference it is made possible through the generosity of ELA Foundation and its founder Margaret Stanton. The Lecture honors Ms. Stanton's grandmother, Ethel Louise Armstrong, who exemplified self-determination and resistance in the face of socially imposed constraints. As a young woman with a physical disability growing up in Atlanta, Georgia, Margaret was inspired by her grandmother's insistence on excelling in postsecondary education despite social conventions during her time that denied women, particularly those with disabilities, opportunities for school and work. Ms. Staton, a lifelong advocate worked in Washington DC promoting accessibility after earning her M.Ed. In 1994 she founded the ELA Foundation to promote full inclusion of people with disabilities in the world. April 14th 3:30-5:00pm in Pfhal Hall 140. "Inclusive Cities" Presented by Victor Santiago Pineda Based on his international work with the disability organizations, city governments and the private sector Victor has developed a conceptual and practical approach to urban planning shaped by the U.N. Convention on Disability. Distilling the principles of planning, sustainability and social justice into conceptual framework that can be understood as personal narrative. Victor presents a preview of his upcoming book "Inclusive Cities: Governance and the Transformation of Disability Rights". Initiated by the Columbus Advisory Committee on Disability to honor Ken Campbell's life time of service and advocacy the Ken Campbell Lecture is free and open to the public as a featured event at The Ohio State University's the Multiple Perspectives on Access, Inclusion & Disability. A highlight of the annual conference the Ken Campbell Lecture focuses on disability policy honors Campbell's life's work, including over twenty years guiding the City of Columbus' disability policies as it's ADA Coordinator. Concurrent sessions include presenters from across the country, Japan, Canada, Australia and the UK Registration Required The Multiple Perspectives Conference, hosted by Ohio State University's ADA Coordinator's Office, is made possible in part thanks to the generosity of the Ethel Louise Armstrong Foundation Endowment Fund and ongoing support from The Ohio State University. Registration is open L. Scott Lissner ADA Coordinator & 504 Compliance Officer The Ohio State University Associate, John Glenn School of Public Affairs Lecturer, Knowlton School of Architecture, Moritz College of Law & Disability Studies Board, Center for Disability Empowerment Appointed: State HAVA Committee & Columbus Advisory Council on Disability Issues 614-292-6207 (voice) 614-688-8605 (TTY) Lissner.2@osu.edu; http://ada.osu.edu 154 West 12th Street, Columbus, Ohio, 43214 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dear Friends, The PVL for the McBurney Disability Resource Center has just been posted. http://www.ohr.wisc.edu/Weblisting/External/PVLSummaryApply.aspx?pvl_num=86016 I would very much appreciate your forwarding this email to your networks of Higher Ed disability professionals and encouraging them to consider applying or consider applying yourself! The program is solid and the staff excellent. Madison is a terrific place to work and live. I hope to have an exceptionally strong pool for my former position and would be happy to answer questions any potential candidate may have about this opportunity. Thanks in advance for your help in recruiting the next McB director! Best, Cathy Cathy Trueba, Assistant Dean of Students Director, McBurney Disability Resource Center 702 W. 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Of course if you missed a session or could not make it this year, it's your one-stop-shop for this year's event. For those of you who plan ahead, CSUN 2017 will take place in San Diego the week of February 27. I'm looking forward to serving as General Session Program Chair, alongside Klaus Miesenberger, Science/Research Program Chair, and Mike Paciello, Conference Chair for the 32nd edition. Jennison From hunziker at email.arizona.edu Tue Mar 29 14:17:45 2016 From: hunziker at email.arizona.edu (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] April 5th AHEAD/ATHEN Webinar - Discount Available! Message-ID: ATHEN Members, Did you know that as an ATHEN Member you qualify for a discount on any AHEAD webinars? There is an upcoming webinar on April 5, 2016: The Story of a Campus Map: Accessibility, GIS, and Campus Partners Lauren Copeland-Glenn-Northern Arizona University Others TBD This presentation will describe the inter-departmental collaboration and decision protocols involved in developing a GIS-based university campus map that is fully accessible to assistive technology through careful Geodatabase design, as well as providing pertinent accessible routing information using GIS network tools. Audience: All Cost for ATHEN Members to attend this and any of the other AHEAD Webinar sessions (http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/at_webinars_15_16 or http://ahead.org/learn/virtual-learning/webinars) is the same as AHEAD members. When registering for the webinar, choose the option for "I qualify for AHEAD member rates" to get your discount! We hope you take advantage of this benefit! 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The other specialist and I have been compiling a list of technologies that range from definitely not accessible to somewhat accessible, but we're not coming across many which offer full accessibility. She's willing to help instructors build interactive elements accessibly in our LMS, but those will definitely have limitations and not look as appealing. We've offered training on SoftChalk but few faculty have been interested and we have limited licenses available. Office Mix appears to be making a good effort in accessibility, but we've not developed training in that yet. Have you discovered any tools you would recommend? Liz Prickett Alternative Media Specialist Center for Academic & Professional Excellence (CAPE) Victoria College 2200 E. Red River Street Victoria, TX 77901 Elizabeth.Prickett@VictoriaCollege.edu (361) 573-3291, ext. 3243 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Wed Mar 30 13:04:48 2016 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Chemistry image description In-Reply-To: <65BFAE6E-E714-4DA0-AF98-8A7E3230CC96@stanford.edu> References: <65BFAE6E-E714-4DA0-AF98-8A7E3230CC96@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <2cfab729ec2a45b698051637b6ce810b@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> In my opinion, tactile models should be considered in the second example. We are currently creating raised thermoform diagrams for a geology class and also they are supplementing with 3D models for one of our blind students. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [uccs-signature-email] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Jiatyan Chen Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Chemistry image description Hi listers, How would one describe complicated molecules and interactions? Examples: https://chemistry.princeton.edu/faculty/macmillan https://chemistry.princeton.edu/news/study-reveals-mechanism-behind-enzyme-tags-unneeded-dna -- Jiatyan Chen Stanford Online Accessibility Program (SOAP) Manager Stanford University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 3598 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: From Teresa.Haven at nau.edu Wed Mar 30 13:08:01 2016 From: Teresa.Haven at nau.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Chemistry image description In-Reply-To: <65BFAE6E-E714-4DA0-AF98-8A7E3230CC96@stanford.edu> References: <65BFAE6E-E714-4DA0-AF98-8A7E3230CC96@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDDD0B11@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> Hi, Jiatyan. I usually start with the best practices outlined in NCAM's STEM Description guide: http://ncam.wgbh.org/experience_learn/educational_media/stemdx, as well as ensuring that the person doing the description has a solid foundation in the subject matter (in this case, chemistry). Teresa Teresa Haven, Ph.D. Accessibility Analyst, Northern Arizona University From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Jiatyan Chen Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 12:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Chemistry image description Hi listers, How would one describe complicated molecules and interactions? Examples: https://chemistry.princeton.edu/faculty/macmillan https://chemistry.princeton.edu/news/study-reveals-mechanism-behind-enzyme-tags-unneeded-dna -- Jiatyan Chen Stanford Online Accessibility Program (SOAP) Manager Stanford University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Teresa.Haven at nau.edu Wed Mar 30 13:10:04 2016 From: Teresa.Haven at nau.edu (Teresa Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Chemistry image description In-Reply-To: <2cfab729ec2a45b698051637b6ce810b@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> References: <65BFAE6E-E714-4DA0-AF98-8A7E3230CC96@stanford.edu> <2cfab729ec2a45b698051637b6ce810b@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> Message-ID: <8B17405CDE724049BFD78BFBC560F1FDDD0B5D@umbrella.nau.froot.nau.edu> And to add to this, if a student is a braille reader, use appropriate braille chemistry notation and you can represent the molecular diagrams in braille rather than having to draw them as tactiles. Teresa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:05 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Chemistry image description In my opinion, tactile models should be considered in the second example. We are currently creating raised thermoform diagrams for a geology class and also they are supplementing with 3D models for one of our blind students. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [uccs-signature-email] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Jiatyan Chen Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 1:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Chemistry image description Hi listers, How would one describe complicated molecules and interactions? Examples: https://chemistry.princeton.edu/faculty/macmillan https://chemistry.princeton.edu/news/study-reveals-mechanism-behind-enzyme-tags-unneeded-dna -- Jiatyan Chen Stanford Online Accessibility Program (SOAP) Manager Stanford University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 3598 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Wed Mar 30 13:12:49 2016 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Chemistry image description In-Reply-To: <2cfab729ec2a45b698051637b6ce810b@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> References: <65BFAE6E-E714-4DA0-AF98-8A7E3230CC96@stanford.edu> <2cfab729ec2a45b698051637b6ce810b@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> Message-ID: I would be asking the course's professor to do the description. I am not a content expert, I am simply the alternate format provider. You really don't want me describing images. It would go something like this: "there is a square, and it is filled with dots, and then there is this rod coming out of the right side, that attaches to a circle, that has triangles inside it." Always rely on the content experts to do the descriptions of visuals. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Access Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Lori From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Jiatyan Chen Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 2:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Chemistry image description Hi listers, How would one describe complicated molecules and interactions? Examples: https://chemistry.princeton.edu/faculty/macmillan https://chemistry.princeton.edu/news/study-reveals-mechanism-behind-enzyme-tags-unneeded-dna -- Jiatyan Chen Stanford Online Accessibility Program (SOAP) Manager Stanford University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Wed Mar 30 13:20:33 2016 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Chemistry image description In-Reply-To: References: <65BFAE6E-E714-4DA0-AF98-8A7E3230CC96@stanford.edu> <2cfab729ec2a45b698051637b6ce810b@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> Message-ID: <993fdcfa0fa24c6ebac4326ae5ce7cef@UCCS-EX1.uccs.edu> Susan, that would make sense to me!! :) Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [uccs-signature-email] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 2:13 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Chemistry image description I would be asking the course's professor to do the description. I am not a content expert, I am simply the alternate format provider. You really don't want me describing images. It would go something like this: "there is a square, and it is filled with dots, and then there is this rod coming out of the right side, that attaches to a circle, that has triangles inside it." Always rely on the content experts to do the descriptions of visuals. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Access Coordinator Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Type in the address yourself. Please keep your passwords private to protect yourself and the security of our network. From: athen-list > on behalf of "Lane, Lori" > Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:20 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Chemistry image description Our colleague from the Department of Chemistry utilizes HTML5, CSS3 and JavaScript to convey information in complex molecules as in the first example. This can be utilized by mouse, touch, keyboard, and screen readers. If you want more information about his work, I will need to ask my colleague for permission before I give you his contact information. Lori From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Jiatyan Chen Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 2:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Chemistry image description Hi listers, How would one describe complicated molecules and interactions? Examples: https://chemistry.princeton.edu/faculty/macmillan https://chemistry.princeton.edu/news/study-reveals-mechanism-behind-enzyme-tags-unneeded-dna -- Jiatyan Chen Stanford Online Accessibility Program (SOAP) Manager Stanford University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carolyn.dorr at uni.edu Wed Mar 30 14:14:10 2016 From: carolyn.dorr at uni.edu (Carolyn Dorr) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] ARIA book? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, I am in a brand new position and am trying to learn more about ARIA. I?ve tried finding information online and through lynda.com , but it seems like it is hit and miss. Does anybody know of an actual book on ARIA? Thanks, Carolyn ====================== Carolyn Dorr Assistive Technology Support Specialist ITS-User Services ITTC 117F ?????????????????? University of Northern Iowa Cedar Falls, IA 50614-0522 (319) 273-6055 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lorilane at illinois.edu Wed Mar 30 14:27:07 2016 From: lorilane at illinois.edu (Lane, Lori) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Chemistry image description In-Reply-To: <57717C43-F309-41AB-B918-DF9BF478A5FC@amherst.edu> References: <57717C43-F309-41AB-B918-DF9BF478A5FC@amherst.edu> Message-ID: <48C441EDE17CEB4DBBFF2545E3E0685142689A@CITESMBX1.ad.uillinois.edu> Hi Paul, I have received my colleague?s permission to show his work: http://butane.chem.illinois.edu/dmills/accessibility/ Doug Mills created this for online homework activities. This is his comment via email: ?I do not know of any students with disabilities actually having used it at this point, but wanted to stretch myself to see if the activity was at least potentially viable in terms of accessibility.? Doug?s contact information can be found on the slideshow. Please direct your questions to him if you have any questions. Cheers, Lori From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Chapin Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 3:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Chemistry image description Aren?t they already explained in the text? I haven?t read the text closely but our experience is that most images/graphics in textbooks merely replicate the text. While it?s good to have multiple formats for content, it doesn?t make much sense to have the original author make a graphic representation of his text and then for you to try to convert it back to text. Paul Chapin Academic Technology Specialist Amherst College X2144 Amherst College IT staff will never ask for your password, including by email. Any email asking for any password or username is almost certainly bogus. Never click on a link in an email to a site that requires a login as the link may be bogus. Type in the address yourself. Please keep your passwords private to protect yourself and the security of our network. From: athen-list > on behalf of "Lane, Lori" > Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:20 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Chemistry image description Our colleague from the Department of Chemistry utilizes HTML5, CSS3 and JavaScript to convey information in complex molecules as in the first example. This can be utilized by mouse, touch, keyboard, and screen readers. If you want more information about his work, I will need to ask my colleague for permission before I give you his contact information. Lori From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Jiatyan Chen Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 2:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Chemistry image description Hi listers, How would one describe complicated molecules and interactions? Examples: https://chemistry.princeton.edu/faculty/macmillan https://chemistry.princeton.edu/news/study-reveals-mechanism-behind-enzyme-tags-unneeded-dna -- Jiatyan Chen Stanford Online Accessibility Program (SOAP) Manager Stanford University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greeark at uw.edu Wed Mar 30 14:47:53 2016 From: greeark at uw.edu (KRISTA L. GREEAR) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] ARIA book? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would recommend starting with this page WebAIM ARIA http://webaim.org/techniques/aria/. I don?t know of any books (but I?m also not a web developer full-time). Krista Greear Accessible Text & Technology Manager UW Disability Resources for Students greeark@uw.edu | disability.uw.edu/ [ada-banner] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Carolyn Dorr Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 2:14 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] ARIA book? Hi all, I am in a brand new position and am trying to learn more about ARIA. I?ve tried finding information online and through lynda.com, but it seems like it is hit and miss. Does anybody know of an actual book on ARIA? Thanks, Carolyn ====================== Carolyn Dorr Assistive Technology Support Specialist ITS-User Services ITTC 117F ?????????????????? 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EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY! Class Title: Assistive Technology Coordinator Reporting to: Danita Scott-Taylor Department/Location: Disability Support Programs & Services (DSPS) Salary Placement: $4,850.00 - $5,962.00/monthly Application Deadline: April 22, 2016 @ 5pm Job Type: Full-time, classified position HR Specialist/Ext.: Rita Kilgore Ext. 5055 To apply, please visit: http://agency.governmentjobs.com/deltacollege/default.cfm -- Rita Kilgore Human Resources Specialist San Joaquin Delta College (209)954-5055 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From HoldenWe at cwu.edu Wed Mar 30 15:38:40 2016 From: HoldenWe at cwu.edu (Wendy Holden) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Chemistry image description In-Reply-To: <48C441EDE17CEB4DBBFF2545E3E0685142689A@CITESMBX1.ad.uillinois.edu> References: <57717C43-F309-41AB-B918-DF9BF478A5FC@amherst.edu> <48C441EDE17CEB4DBBFF2545E3E0685142689A@CITESMBX1.ad.uillinois.edu> Message-ID: <2eefcb303e78401880d2316c2a8fec1b@pv-ell-exc-02.ad.cwu.edu> Since we are nerding out about Chemistry, I thought I?d share some super exciting chemistry accessibility stuff on the horizon. To see a demo you can go to the Progressive Accessibility Solutions webpage. This was one of the neatest things I saw at CSUN this year. You can navigate through the diagram using a screen reader. I?m just sad they aren?t calling the markup language ChemML. ;) Wendy Holden Director of Disability Services Central Washington University Hogue 126 400 E. University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926 (509) 963-2149 holdenwe@cwu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lane, Lori Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 2:27 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Chemistry image description ***WARNING: Please be cautious clicking on links to external sites from email.*** NEVER provide your CWU login information to a third party website. CWU Information Services cares about your privacy and security. If you have any questions or concerns please contact the CWU Service Desk at 509-963-2001. Hi Paul, I have received my colleague?s permission to show his work: http://butane.chem.illinois.edu/dmills/accessibility/ Doug Mills created this for online homework activities. This is his comment via email: ?I do not know of any students with disabilities actually having used it at this point, but wanted to stretch myself to see if the activity was at least potentially viable in terms of accessibility.? Doug?s contact information can be found on the slideshow. Please direct your questions to him if you have any questions. Cheers, Lori From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Chapin Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 3:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Chemistry image description Aren?t they already explained in the text? I haven?t read the text closely but our experience is that most images/graphics in textbooks merely replicate the text. While it?s good to have multiple formats for content, it doesn?t make much sense to have the original author make a graphic representation of his text and then for you to try to convert it back to text. Paul Chapin Academic Technology Specialist Amherst College X2144 Amherst College IT staff will never ask for your password, including by email. Any email asking for any password or username is almost certainly bogus. Never click on a link in an email to a site that requires a login as the link may be bogus. Type in the address yourself. Please keep your passwords private to protect yourself and the security of our network. From: athen-list > on behalf of "Lane, Lori" > Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:20 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Chemistry image description Our colleague from the Department of Chemistry utilizes HTML5, CSS3 and JavaScript to convey information in complex molecules as in the first example. This can be utilized by mouse, touch, keyboard, and screen readers. If you want more information about his work, I will need to ask my colleague for permission before I give you his contact information. Lori From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Jiatyan Chen Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 2:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Chemistry image description Hi listers, How would one describe complicated molecules and interactions? Examples: https://chemistry.princeton.edu/faculty/macmillan https://chemistry.princeton.edu/news/study-reveals-mechanism-behind-enzyme-tags-unneeded-dna -- Jiatyan Chen Stanford Online Accessibility Program (SOAP) Manager Stanford University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Wed Mar 30 16:42:17 2016 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Full-Time DSPS Disability Specialist /Instructor opening at Cerritos College In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006001d18add$cbc16630$63443290$@htctu.net> Quick deadline on this one. From: Kyllingstad, Tim [mailto:tkyllingstad@Cerritos.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 4:29 PM To: DSP&S Directors Listserver Subject: Full-Time DSPS Disability Specialist /Instructor opening at Cerritos College Dear Colleagues, We are pleased to announce a Full-Time DSPS Disability Specialist /Instructor opening at Cerritos College. This is a tenure-track contract position. Contract will be for 12 school months for the academic year beginning July 1, 2016. A link to the job announcement is listed below. Applications close April 3, 2016. To apply, complete the required application located on our Human Resources website at the link below: https://cerritos.peopleadmin.com/postings/535 We have an outstanding DSPS Division. We look forward to welcoming this new faculty member to continue to develop our programs and services to students with disabilities. Thank you, for sharing with those who may be interested. Lucinda Aborn, Ph.D., CRC Dean, Disabled Students Programs and Services Cerritos College Universal Access@Cerritos College Cerritos College serves as a comprehensive community college for southeastern Los Angeles County. Communities within the college's district include Artesia, Bellflower, Cerritos, Downey, Hawaiian Gardens, La Mirada, Norwalk, and portions of Bell Gardens, Lakewood, Long Beach, Santa Fe Springs, and South Gate. Cerritos College offers degrees and certificates in more than 180 areas of study in nine divisions. Enrollment currently averages 23,000 students. 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I share an office with our Instructional Technology Specialist, and we?ve been getting a lot of questions from faculty who teach online. They?re wanting educational technology tools that provide/support more interactivity, multimedia, games, etc. which are also free/inexpensive and look appealing. (No small order there! *smile*) We do not want to promote any tools that are not accessible. The other specialist and I have been compiling a list of technologies that range from definitely not accessible to somewhat accessible, but we?re not coming across many which offer full accessibility. She?s willing to help instructors build interactive elements accessibly in our LMS, but those will definitely have limitations and not look as appealing. We?ve offered training on SoftChalk but few faculty have been interested and we have limited licenses available. Office Mix appears to be making a good effort in accessibility, but we?ve not developed training in that yet. Have you discovered any tools you would recommend? Liz Prickett Alternative Media Specialist Center for Academic & Professional Excellence (CAPE) Victoria College 2200 E. Red River Street Victoria, TX 77901 Elizabeth.Prickett@VictoriaCollege.edu (361) 573-3291, ext. 3243 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SolowoniukR at macewan.ca Thu Mar 31 08:45:25 2016 From: SolowoniukR at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Chemistry image description In-Reply-To: <2eefcb303e78401880d2316c2a8fec1b@pv-ell-exc-02.ad.cwu.edu> References: <57717C43-F309-41AB-B918-DF9BF478A5FC@amherst.edu> <48C441EDE17CEB4DBBFF2545E3E0685142689A@CITESMBX1.ad.uillinois.edu> <2eefcb303e78401880d2316c2a8fec1b@pv-ell-exc-02.ad.cwu.edu> Message-ID: <56FCF1B5020000EC00045DAA@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> That's really cool! I was able to read information about the diagram with my screen reader, Jaws. I didn't understand it, but was able to access it! :) Very exciting! Thanks for sharing. Russell >>> Wendy Holden 3/30/2016 4:38 PM >>> Since we are nerding out about Chemistry, I thought I*d share some super exciting chemistry accessibility stuff on the horizon. To see a demo you can go to the Progressive Accessibility Solutions webpage. This was one of the neatest things I saw at CSUN this year. You can navigate through the diagram using a screen reader. I*m just sad they aren*t calling the markup language ChemML. ;) Wendy Holden Director of Disability Services Central Washington University Hogue 126 400 E. University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926 (509) 963-2149 holdenwe@cwu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lane, Lori Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 2:27 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Chemistry image description ***WARNING: Please be cautious clicking on links to external sites from email.*** NEVER provide your CWU login information to a third party website. CWU Information Services cares about your privacy and security. If you have any questions or concerns please contact the CWU Service Desk at 509-963-2001. Hi Paul, I have received my colleague*s permission to show his work: http://butane.chem.illinois.edu/dmills/accessibility/ Doug Mills created this for online homework activities. This is his comment via email: *I do not know of any students with disabilities actually having used it at this point, but wanted to stretch myself to see if the activity was at least potentially viable in terms of accessibility.* Doug*s contact information can be found on the slideshow. Please direct your questions to him if you have any questions. Cheers, Lori From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Chapin Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 3:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Chemistry image description Aren*t they already explained in the text? I haven*t read the text closely but our experience is that most images/graphics in textbooks merely replicate the text. While it*s good to have multiple formats for content, it doesn*t make much sense to have the original author make a graphic representation of his text and then for you to try to convert it back to text. Paul Chapin Academic Technology Specialist Amherst College X2144 Amherst College IT staff will never ask for your password, including by email. Any email asking for any password or username is almost certainly bogus. Never click on a link in an email to a site that requires a login as the link may be bogus. Type in the address yourself. Please keep your passwords private to protect yourself and the security of our network. From: athen-list > on behalf of "Lane, Lori" > Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:20 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Chemistry image description Our colleague from the Department of Chemistry utilizes HTML5, CSS3 and JavaScript to convey information in complex molecules as in the first example. This can be utilized by mouse, touch, keyboard, and screen readers. If you want more information about his work, I will need to ask my colleague for permission before I give you his contact information. Lori From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Jiatyan Chen Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 2:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Chemistry image description Hi listers, How would one describe complicated molecules and interactions? Examples: https://chemistry.princeton.edu/faculty/macmillan https://chemistry.princeton.edu/news/study-reveals-mechanism-behind-enzyme-tags-unneeded-dna -- Jiatyan Chen Stanford Online Accessibility Program (SOAP) Manager Stanford University From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Thu Mar 31 09:13:49 2016 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] TIE machine repairs Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011E1A6C41@EROS.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Hello all, Our TIE machine seems to be fizzling out. Repro-Tronics seems to be out of business. Does anybody know of a company that repairs these machines? Is it even worth repairing as old as it is? The two options I've found are from HumanWare and American Thurmoform. Does anybody have experience with the one from American Thurmoform? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 913-288-7671 rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From burke at ucla.edu Thu Mar 31 10:00:29 2016 From: burke at ucla.edu (PATRICK BURKE) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] ARIA book? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Carolyn & welcome! You might want to start with something like Apps For All (Heydon Pickering; Smashing eBooks): https://shop.smashingmagazine.com/products/apps-for-all (See esp. the last user review for ARIA relevance.) It's hard to study ARIA in isolation. Since it bridges the gaps between HTML, Javascript & CSS, you end up having to know something about all of them. So texts (or blogs or GitHub sites) about HTML5 & accessibility, progressive enhancement, etc., will also have a lot of ARIA-related content. If you like the real technical details, check out the Paciello Group Blog.: www.paciellogroup.com/blog/ If you're working with menus or various interactive widgets, check out the Visual ARIA Bookmarklet (by Brian Garaventa). It provides a handy way to show if ARIA focus control & keyboard accessibility are working properly: http://whatsock.com/training/matrices/visual-aria.htm Best of luck, Patrick On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Carolyn Dorr wrote: > Hi all, > I am in a brand new position and am trying to learn more about ARIA. I?ve > tried finding information online and through lynda.com, but it seems like > it is hit and miss. Does anybody know of an actual book on ARIA? > Thanks, > Carolyn > ====================== > Carolyn Dorr > Assistive Technology Support Specialist > ITS-User Services > ITTC 117F > ?????????????????? > University of Northern Iowa > Cedar Falls, IA 50614-0522 > (319) 273-6055 > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: