[Athen] MathType problem

[Robert Beach]

Hello Steve,

Yes, Duxbury is installed on the same machine as Math Type.  This system has worked before with producing math content in braille.  The only thing that has changed is the machine the Word document was originally created on crashed and had to have a new drive installed.  I reinstalled math type on the machine and things seem to be fine.  But, when pulling the Word doc that was created on that machine into Duxbury on my machine, I got the math type errors.  I brought the file home and tried it on my own personal machine, again with both Math Type and Duxbury installed, and got basically the same results.

Thanks for the suggestions.  I'll give the links you provided a look over to see if I'm missing something.

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From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of steve.noble at louisville.edu [steve.noble at louisville.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 6:55 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
Subject: Re: [Athen] MathType problem

Well, the most obvious first step is to be sure that both MathType and Duxbury are installed on the same machine, according to http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_math.asp:
"If MathType is not loaded on the same computer as DBT, then as DBT imports a Word document containing MathType material, an error message shows up in the DBT file at the location of each piece of mathematical notation in the file."

Other than that, there were a number of MathType conversion errors that were fixed in Duxbury 11.3, according to this page:
http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbtwhst.asp

You might try contacting caryn at duxsys.com or someone else on their support team. Since I don't really use DBT at a personal level, I cannot speak to other possible issues relating to that software.

Hope that helps...


--Steve Noble
steve.noble at louisville.edu
502-969-3088
http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble



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From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Robert Beach [rbeach at KCKCC.EDU]
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 10:11 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
Subject: [Athen] MathType problem

Hey all,

I have a MathType error that I can't figure out.  My intern created a math review sheet in Word 2010 using MathType 6.9B.  In the past, I was able to open the Word document into Duxbury and convert the math problems without too much trouble.  However, this document gives errors on all of the math problems, but the text translates correctly.  I tried it on Duxbury 11.1 (at work) and Duxbury 11.2 (at home).  With Duxbury 11.1, I get an error that the file is an unsupported format and it doesn't open.  At home the document opens but as I said all problems translate into errors.

Can anybody give me an idea what to try?  I really need to get this going before Thursday since the student has a test Friday and I need to convert it as well as this review sheet.

Thanks all!

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From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Samantha Johns [samanj at pdx.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:31 PM
To: Lisa Brandt
Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network
Subject: Re: [Athen] Epub Format in Google Docs

Hello Lisa,

Yes I hope they make that a priority as well.


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Samantha Johns

Accessibility & Course Support Specialist

Portland State University

1825 SW Broadway
Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209
Portland OR 97201
(503) 725-2754




On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Lisa Brandt <lisa.brandt1 at pcc.edu<mailto:lisa.brandt1 at pcc.edu>> wrote:
Darn, the math issues are indeed disappointing. I hope they'll make that a priority.


On Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:49:22 -0800, Samantha Johns <samanj at pdx.edu<mailto:samanj at pdx.edu>> wrote:

Hello,

Thank you Lisa for pointing that this could bring more attention to this format. And thank you Emma, yes I agree this may not support math equations.

I did test that if you format the Doc in Google with Heading, and Alt text for image, then export to Epub it does retain formatting and read the Alt Text. So that's a plus!


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Samantha Johns

Accessibility & Course Support Specialist

Portland State University

1825 SW Broadway
Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209
Portland OR 97201
(503) 725-2754<tel:%28503%29%20725-2754>




On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Emma Cliffe <E.H.Cliffe at bath.ac.uk<mailto:E.H.Cliffe at bath.ac.uk>> wrote:

Hello,

Just a quick note since I was curious and had a look: I don't have full test software here at home but from what I could see from unzipping the EPub and looking at the source code the equations are stored as images (png) and are included in the EPub without alternative text. This means that the images won't scale well (may also align badly and will reflow badly) and there is nothing to be read aloud.

This is about as far away from good practice as they can get (MathML with SVG and MathSpeak fallback in EPub3 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.idpf.org_accessibility_guidelines_content_mathml_desc.php&d=AwICAg&c=SgMrq23dbjbGX6e0ZsSHgEZX6A4IAf1SO3AJ2bNrHlk&r=4WMck1ZVLo4tV0IVllcBNKXCSGU6lUERtx_4HD4DqmE&m=pacGai-K7EaphYlaPwGvm0qcdtBDcekZUN50MbVL_2o&s=nEtawkDp2ik7MSDKS77XfGZzpD783-bYJrX06GUSa-Q&e= ). I didn't try anything beyond that... I would be wondering about other more complex structural elements though.

Best wishes,
Emma Cliffe

Mathematics Resource Centre Development Officer
University of Bath


On 08/03/16 17:04, Samantha Johns wrote:
Hello Athen Community,

As of recently it looks like Google Docs now has the option to export to Epub format. I am wondering what people think about the benefits of this and recommendations?

Have a great day!


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Samantha Johns

Accessibility & Course Support Specialist

Portland State University

1825 SW Broadway
Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209
Portland OR 97201
(503) 725-2754<tel:%28503%29%20725-2754>





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