From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Mon Dec 4 06:05:40 2017 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:36 2018 Subject: [Athen] digital story book software Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E22BC47@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Hello all, I have somebody needing to create a digital story book for a class project. Can anybody recommend a package that is accessible with either Voice Over and a Mac or NVDA on a PC? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] digital story book software Hello all, I have somebody needing to create a digital story book for a class project. Can anybody recommend a package that is accessible with either Voice Over and a Mac or NVDA on a PC? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Mon Dec 4 07:28:00 2017 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:36 2018 Subject: [Athen] digital story book software In-Reply-To: <000001d36d12$f68449a0$e38cdce0$@karlencommunications.com> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E22BC47@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <000001d36d12$f68449a0$e38cdce0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E22BD04@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> I did find some videos on using PowerPoint to create a digital story book, but it didn't seem completely accessible to a screen reader user. If one of the objects of the project is to create an interactive story book, then PowerPoint probably isn't the way to go. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:17 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] digital story book software This is a timely question and Robert asked first...I have someone who needs to create an accessible children's book and would appreciate any suggestions for software...or the best way to create an inclusive children's book. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [Athen] digital story book software Hello all, I have somebody needing to create a digital story book for a class project. Can anybody recommend a package that is accessible with either Voice Over and a Mac or NVDA on a PC? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Mon Dec 4 07:48:49 2017 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:36 2018 Subject: [Athen] digital story book software In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E22BD04@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E22BC47@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <000001d36d12$f68449a0$e38cdce0$@karlencommunications.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E22BD04@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <001501d36d17$612dc020$23894060$@karlencommunications.com> I think if we use PowerPoint it needs audio and captioning. In some workshops I teach how to make a story for kids using PowerPoint but we add audio.and now captioning and sometimes video description to enhance the accessibility. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 10:28 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] digital story book software I did find some videos on using PowerPoint to create a digital story book, but it didn't seem completely accessible to a screen reader user. If one of the objects of the project is to create an interactive story book, then PowerPoint probably isn't the way to go. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:17 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] digital story book software This is a timely question and Robert asked first.I have someone who needs to create an accessible children's book and would appreciate any suggestions for software.or the best way to create an inclusive children's book. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu ) > Subject: [Athen] digital story book software Hello all, I have somebody needing to create a digital story book for a class project. Can anybody recommend a package that is accessible with either Voice Over and a Mac or NVDA on a PC? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deb.castiglione at uky.edu Mon Dec 4 07:56:00 2017 From: deb.castiglione at uky.edu (Castiglione, Deborah) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:36 2018 Subject: [Athen] digital story book software In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E22BD04@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E22BC47@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <000001d36d12$f68449a0$e38cdce0$@karlencommunications.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E22BD04@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: You might want to take a look at CAST UDL Book Builder. It should be accessible. Deb Deb Castiglione, EdD, ATP Universal Design & Instructional Technology Specialist Center for the Enhancement of Learning & Teaching (CELT) University of Kentucky 518M King Library Lexington, KY 40506 859-257-9685 deb.castiglione@uky.edu http://www.uky.edu/celt http://www.uky.edu/udl ?What is ?essential for some? is almost always ?good for all.?? (Meyer, Rose, & Gordon, 2014) From: athen-list on behalf of Robert Beach Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Date: Monday, December 4, 2017 at 10:34 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] digital story book software I did find some videos on using PowerPoint to create a digital story book, but it didn?t seem completely accessible to a screen reader user. If one of the objects of the project is to create an interactive story book, then PowerPoint probably isn?t the way to go. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:17 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] digital story book software This is a timely question and Robert asked first?I have someone who needs to create an accessible children?s book and would appreciate any suggestions for software?or the best way to create an inclusive children?s book. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [Athen] digital story book software Hello all, I have somebody needing to create a digital story book for a class project. Can anybody recommend a package that is accessible with either Voice Over and a Mac or NVDA on a PC? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Mon Dec 4 08:13:26 2017 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] digital story book software In-Reply-To: <001501d36d17$612dc020$23894060$@karlencommunications.com> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E22BC47@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <000001d36d12$f68449a0$e38cdce0$@karlencommunications.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E22BD04@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <001501d36d17$612dc020$23894060$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E22BD86@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> These videos were talking about using pictures for the background then adding other pictures and animating them for the story. They specified using textboxes for the text, then doing recordings for each slide to read the text. Creating the story, doing the recording and setting timings are very accessible. As far as that goes, adding pictures is accessible as well. The problem comes in when trying to size pictures and place pictures over pictures in the correct positions. Also, drawing animation paths would not be accessible from what I can tell. Because of the visual nature of these types of projects, I doubt any other digital story book software would be any more accessible. My though is that a visually impaired individual will need sighted assistance to create a digital story book, regardless of the software being used. I'm hoping somebody will prove me wrong though. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:49 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] digital story book software I think if we use PowerPoint it needs audio and captioning. In some workshops I teach how to make a story for kids using PowerPoint but we add audio...and now captioning and sometimes video description to enhance the accessibility. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 10:28 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] digital story book software I did find some videos on using PowerPoint to create a digital story book, but it didn't seem completely accessible to a screen reader user. If one of the objects of the project is to create an interactive story book, then PowerPoint probably isn't the way to go. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:17 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] digital story book software This is a timely question and Robert asked first...I have someone who needs to create an accessible children's book and would appreciate any suggestions for software...or the best way to create an inclusive children's book. 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URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Mon Dec 4 08:23:25 2017 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] digital story book software In-Reply-To: References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E22BC47@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <000001d36d12$f68449a0$e38cdce0$@karlencommunications.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E22BD04@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E22BDAC@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> I?ll have to look at it more, but I didn?t like the design of the first book I tried. I didn?t get to try building a book yet, but I?ll send this on to the one who needs to create a book. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Castiglione, Deborah Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] digital story book software You might want to take a look at CAST UDL Book Builder. It should be accessible. Deb Deb Castiglione, EdD, ATP Universal Design & Instructional Technology Specialist Center for the Enhancement of Learning & Teaching (CELT) University of Kentucky 518M King Library Lexington, KY 40506 859-257-9685 deb.castiglione@uky.edu http://www.uky.edu/celt http://www.uky.edu/udl ?What is ?essential for some? is almost always ?good for all.?? (Meyer, Rose, & Gordon, 2014) From: athen-list > on behalf of Robert Beach > Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Date: Monday, December 4, 2017 at 10:34 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] digital story book software I did find some videos on using PowerPoint to create a digital story book, but it didn?t seem completely accessible to a screen reader user. If one of the objects of the project is to create an interactive story book, then PowerPoint probably isn?t the way to go. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:17 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] digital story book software This is a timely question and Robert asked first?I have someone who needs to create an accessible children?s book and would appreciate any suggestions for software?or the best way to create an inclusive children?s book. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [Athen] digital story book software Hello all, I have somebody needing to create a digital story book for a class project. Can anybody recommend a package that is accessible with either Voice Over and a Mac or NVDA on a PC? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 10:23 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] digital story book software I?ll have to look at it more, but I didn?t like the design of the first book I tried. I didn?t get to try building a book yet, but I?ll send this on to the one who needs to create a book. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Castiglione, Deborah Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] digital story book software You might want to take a look at CAST UDL Book Builder. It should be accessible. Deb Deb Castiglione, EdD, ATP Universal Design & Instructional Technology Specialist Center for the Enhancement of Learning & Teaching (CELT) University of Kentucky 518M King Library Lexington, KY 40506 859-257-9685 deb.castiglione@uky.edu http://www.uky.edu/celt http://www.uky.edu/udl ?What is ?essential for some? is almost always ?good for all.?? (Meyer, Rose, & Gordon, 2014) From: athen-list > on behalf of Robert Beach > Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Date: Monday, December 4, 2017 at 10:34 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] digital story book software I did find some videos on using PowerPoint to create a digital story book, but it didn?t seem completely accessible to a screen reader user. If one of the objects of the project is to create an interactive story book, then PowerPoint probably isn?t the way to go. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:17 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] digital story book software This is a timely question and Robert asked first?I have someone who needs to create an accessible children?s book and would appreciate any suggestions for software?or the best way to create an inclusive children?s book. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) > Subject: [Athen] digital story book software Hello all, I have somebody needing to create a digital story book for a class project. Can anybody recommend a package that is accessible with either Voice Over and a Mac or NVDA on a PC? Thanks. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Mon Dec 4 10:02:01 2017 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Message-ID: Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to start all over again. Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. -Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Mon Dec 4 10:15:07 2017 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (Chagnon | PubCom) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007401d36d2b$d204d630$760e8290$@pubcom.com> Not only is this a royal P I T A for everyone, but it?s also an ADA issue and the community should file a formal complaint with DOJ?s ADA office. Adobe is not able to stop Microsoft from hijacking the PDF file format?s default software. In theory, all users should be able to set their default preferences for any file format, and the OS (namely Apple and Microsoft) should respect the user?s choice. There was an anti-trust lawsuit in the 1990s with Microsoft about something very similar. Since then, we now that we have Sec. 508 in place and I think a stronger case can be built on ADA violations. Edge is not fully accessible and provides an inferior user experience for those using A T. Any accessibility lawyers out there who want to fight this? --Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon | www.PubCom.com Technologists for Accessible Design and Publishing print ? digital ? web ? documents ? pdfs ? epubs consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services ? ? ? From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to start all over again. Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. -Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsylvia at uga.edu Mon Dec 4 10:51:17 2017 From: jsylvia at uga.edu (Janet Sylvia) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] (Free Webinar) IAAP: Building an International Community of Accessibility Professionals Message-ID: Greetings, The Web Accessibility Group (WAG) for Higher Education is providing a free webinar on Wednesday December 6, 2017 from 11:00am-12:00pm (EDT). Topic: IAAP Overview: Building an International Community of Accessibility Professionals Description: This session discusses how the International Association of Accessibility Professionals (IAAP) advances the profession for those working on accessibility initiatives in higher education. It covers professional & organizational development programs such as IAAP certifications, the IAAP Connections collaboration tool, training resources, & more. Login information is provided on the WAG Homepage under WAG Monthly Meetings. Please feel free to share this announcement with others at your location. Thanks, Janet Janet Sylvia Web Accessibility Group Leader at AMAC Web Accessibility Consultant and Trainer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greeark at uw.edu Mon Dec 4 12:12:40 2017 From: greeark at uw.edu (Krista Greear) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? In-Reply-To: <007401d36d2b$d204d630$760e8290$@pubcom.com> References: <007401d36d2b$d204d630$760e8290$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: Some things I shared with my office after upgrading 40 computers to Windows 10 this summer. ? Stop folders from being added to Quick Access https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4027032/windows-pin-remove-and-customize-in-quick-access ? I turned off animations when I was typing: https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-off-Office-animations-9EE5C4D2-D144-4FD2-B670-22CEF9FA025A ? Made the cursor bigger: https://www.isunshare.com/windows-10/3-ways-to-change-mouse-pointer-size-and-color-in-windows-10.html ? Turn off Outlook email desktop notifications: https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-new-message-alert-pop-up-on-or-off-9940c70e-b306-442e-a856-d94b20318481. ? Changed colors o Right click on desktop o Select Personalize o Select Colors on left side o Pick your color then turn on the ?Show color on Start, taskbar, action center, and title bar? and ?Make Start, taskbar, and action center transparent? options at the bottom ? Making Adobe the Default Pdf Reader o Hit the windows key and search ?Default Programs? o Scroll down and select ?choose default apps by file type? o Scroll down to .pdf, click the icon, and select Adobe Acrobat. o Exit out, you?re done! Krista KRISTA GREEAR Assistant Director Disability Resources for Students 011 Mary Gates Hall Box 352808 Seattle, WA 98195-2808 Direct: 206.221.4136 / Main: 206.543.8924 greeark@uw.edu/ http://disability.uw.edu [cid:image001.gif@01D33387.742D8C60] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Chagnon | PubCom Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 10:15 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Not only is this a royal P I T A for everyone, but it?s also an ADA issue and the community should file a formal complaint with DOJ?s ADA office. Adobe is not able to stop Microsoft from hijacking the PDF file format?s default software. In theory, all users should be able to set their default preferences for any file format, and the OS (namely Apple and Microsoft) should respect the user?s choice. There was an anti-trust lawsuit in the 1990s with Microsoft about something very similar. Since then, we now that we have Sec. 508 in place and I think a stronger case can be built on ADA violations. Edge is not fully accessible and provides an inferior user experience for those using A T. Any accessibility lawyers out there who want to fight this? --Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon | www.PubCom.com Technologists for Accessible Design and Publishing print ? digital ? web ? documents ? pdfs ? epubs consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services ? ? ? From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to start all over again. Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. -Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 1303 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Tue Dec 5 07:04:22 2017 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have been using Windows 10 against my will for the last year on my personal laptop. After a year, I still hate it with the passion of a thousand burning suns. Maybe more than a thousand. They broke what worked. The start menu is a freaking joke, it puts whatever it wants there instead of what I am actually using all the time. The only way for me to open programs now is to windows-button then type in the program I?m looking for. I used to be able to click the most used ones or at least select them with windows key and my up or down arrow keys, but no more. The preview feature that works so well on Windows 7, on Windows 10 is combined with the little ?show all/hide all? spot in the lower left corner, and of course my mouse ends up down there all the time, hiding all my windows even if I?m actively typing. So I had to turn off the preview of the taskbar in order to fix that but now I don?t have the previews I used to count on to figure out which task bar button to open (I usually have the task bar pretty full of open programs. The personalized settings for screen savers is totally borked?they work randomly and seldom. I also can no longer schedule updates at my convenience, even with workarounds, and I will walk away from my laptop for a few hours and come back and find it either updating, or it just finished an update and rebooted. This despite telling it not to do updates except in the middle of the night. I spend twenty minutes trying to get everything back open again and of course it didn?t save anything it should have saved, so I?ve got all these random documents that now need to be saved, but can?t be saved over their original file name, but need a NEW file name. I have tried to once a week do an ?install updates and reboot? or ?install updates and shut down? with the start menu but it doesn?t actually install updates?when you boot it back up, THEN it does updates. I had one last week like that, told it to ?install and shut down? as I left my house, came back many hours later to grab the laptop for a meeting, and turned it on, and it spent 90 minutes installing updates. I had to take paper notes for my meeting.- Krista gave some good tips, these are most things I?ve already done. Edge is awful and Microsoft just needs to get out of the browser business now. Didn?t they learn anything by watching Netscape?s demise?? It amazes me how much Microsoft doesn?t listen to its main clients, BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. None of their ?improvements? are improvements at all, they are just more obstacles, more things to learn (sometimes a huge learning curve). So annoying! Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 11:02 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to start all over again. Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. -Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Tue Dec 5 11:40:21 2017 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you all for sharing that - I feel less alone. Misery loves company. :-) -Howard On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Susan Kelmer wrote: > I have been using Windows 10 against my will for the last year on my > personal laptop. After a year, I still hate it with the passion of a > thousand burning suns. Maybe more than a thousand. > > > > They broke what worked. The start menu is a freaking joke, it puts > whatever it wants there instead of what I am actually using all the time. > The only way for me to open programs now is to windows-button then type in > the program I?m looking for. I used to be able to click the most used ones > or at least select them with windows key and my up or down arrow keys, but > no more. The preview feature that works so well on Windows 7, on Windows > 10 is combined with the little ?show all/hide all? spot in the lower left > corner, and of course my mouse ends up down there all the time, hiding all > my windows even if I?m actively typing. So I had to turn off the preview > of the taskbar in order to fix that but now I don?t have the previews I > used to count on to figure out which task bar button to open (I usually > have the task bar pretty full of open programs. The personalized settings > for screen savers is totally borked?they work randomly and seldom. I also > can no longer schedule updates at my convenience, even with workarounds, > and I will walk away from my laptop for a few hours and come back and find > it either updating, or it just finished an update and rebooted. This > despite telling it not to do updates except in the middle of the night. I > spend twenty minutes trying to get everything back open again and of course > it didn?t save anything it should have saved, so I?ve got all these random > documents that now need to be saved, but can?t be saved over their original > file name, but need a NEW file name. I have tried to once a week do an > ?install updates and reboot? or ?install updates and shut down? with the > start menu but it doesn?t actually install updates?when you boot it back > up, THEN it does updates. I had one last week like that, told it to > ?install and shut down? as I left my house, came back many hours later to > grab the laptop for a meeting, and turned it on, and it spent 90 minutes > installing updates. I had to take paper notes for my meeting.- > > > > Krista gave some good tips, these are most things I?ve already done. Edge > is awful and Microsoft just needs to get out of the browser business now. > Didn?t they learn anything by watching Netscape?s demise?? > > > > It amazes me how much Microsoft doesn?t listen to its main clients, > BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. None of their ?improvements? are improvements at > all, they are just more obstacles, more things to learn (sometimes a huge > learning curve). So annoying! > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836 <(303)%20735-4836>* > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Howard Kramer > *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 11:02 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > > > > Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's > a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are > continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to > a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest > driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and > then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to > start all over again. > > > > Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the > registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so > frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S > until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about > 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. > > > > -Howard > > > > > > > -- > > Howard Kramer > > Conference Coordinator > > Accessing Higher Ground > > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> > > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> > > > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > * in > Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be > announced at the beginning of March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! > * And the *Technology > Access Series *. > Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your > earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Tue Dec 5 12:12:29 2017 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (Chagnon | PubCom) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005001d36e05$6079c040$216d40c0$@pubcom.com> I especially love it when Windows 10 decides to update my computer when I?m teaching a class or, even better, conducting a 30-minute conference presentation?and the update just starts in the middle of my slide deck. Does this in spite of my settings for updates only at night when the system is idle. I wonder if ?update at night? gets mis-translated to the foreign Microsoft engineers whose ?night? is our working daytime . Whose ?night? are we talking about? --Bevi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amgolden at uw.edu Tue Dec 5 13:50:02 2017 From: amgolden at uw.edu (Anna Marie Golden) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 143, Issue 3 Message-ID: *?EVERY TIME* Windows 10 updates, it messes everything up. I found a hack online somewhere so I could get it stop automatically installing the updates. Now when the dialog pops up because there's an update, I dismiss it, It still opens the update window but I can just close it now instead of waiting for the update to complete. It's annoying but it beats Windows updating whenever it wants to. I'm actually afraid to do anymore Windows 10 updates. I keep dismissing them because installing them means I end up having to google all sorts of things to get everything back to the way it was. Sometimes I can't get it back to the way it was because they remove useful features that give users choices outside of the Microsoft ecosystem. I never know what to expect from an update and it has cost time and productivity every single time I've allowed an update to happen. I'm really disappointed in Windows 10 overall. It's too controlling. They created it more like a home version, forcing settings and security I don't want. And the way they made the updates work is ridiculous. Nothing like standing in front of a room of people, ready to give a presentation when Windows 10 decides to update on its own... --Anna Marie (First name = "Anna Marie") On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:00 PM, < athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu> wrote: > Send athen-list mailing list submissions to > athen-list@u.washington.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Krista Greear) > 2. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Susan Kelmer) > 3. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Howard Kramer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 20:12:40 +0000 > From: Krista Greear > To: "chagnon@pubcom.com" , "Access Technology > Higher Education Network" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > Message-ID: > namprd08.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Some things I shared with my office after upgrading 40 computers to > Windows 10 this summer. > > > ? Stop folders from being added to Quick Access > https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4027032/windows- > pin-remove-and-customize-in-quick-access > > ? I turned off animations when I was typing: > https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-off-Office- > animations-9EE5C4D2-D144-4FD2-B670-22CEF9FA025A > > ? Made the cursor bigger: https://www.isunshare.com/ > windows-10/3-ways-to-change-mouse-pointer-size-and-color- > in-windows-10.html > > ? Turn off Outlook email desktop notifications: > https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-new-message- > alert-pop-up-on-or-off-9940c70e-b306-442e-a856-d94b20318481. > > ? Changed colors > > o Right click on desktop > > o Select Personalize > > o Select Colors on left side > > o Pick your color then turn on the ?Show color on Start, taskbar, action > center, and title bar? and ?Make Start, taskbar, and action center > transparent? options at the bottom > > ? Making Adobe the Default Pdf Reader > > o Hit the windows key and search ?Default Programs? > > o Scroll down and select ?choose default apps by file type? > > o Scroll down to .pdf, click the icon, and select Adobe Acrobat. > > o Exit out, you?re done! > Krista > > KRISTA GREEAR > Assistant Director > Disability Resources for Students > > 011 Mary Gates Hall > Box 352808 > Seattle, WA 98195-2808 > Direct: 206.221.4136 / Main: 206.543.8924 > greeark@uw.edu/ http://disability.uw.edu //disability.uw.edu/> > [cid:image001.gif@01D33387.742D8C60] > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > On Behalf Of Chagnon | PubCom > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 10:15 AM > To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > > Not only is this a royal P I T A for everyone, but it?s also an ADA issue > and the community should file a formal complaint with DOJ?s ADA office. > > Adobe is not able to stop Microsoft from hijacking the PDF file format?s > default software. > > In theory, all users should be able to set their default preferences for > any file format, and the OS (namely Apple and Microsoft) should respect the > user?s choice. There was an anti-trust lawsuit in the 1990s with Microsoft > about something very similar. > > Since then, we now that we have Sec. 508 in place and I think a stronger > case can be built on ADA violations. Edge is not fully accessible and > provides an inferior user experience for those using A T. > > Any accessibility lawyers out there who want to fight this? > > --Bevi Chagnon > > ? ? ? > ? ? ? > Bevi Chagnon | www.PubCom.com > Technologists for Accessible Design and Publishing > print ? digital ? web ? documents ? pdfs ? epubs > consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services > ? ? ? > > > > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > On Behalf Of Howard Kramer > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:02 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > > Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's > a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are > continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to > a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest > driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and > then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to > start all over again. > > Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the > registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so > frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S > until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about > 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. > > -Howard > > > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 > cell: 720-351-8668 > > > Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference accessinghigherground.org/> in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. > Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! > And the Technology Access Series virtual-learning/at_webinars_15_16>. Site capacities for all webinar > events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the > largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now.< > http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20171204/4a4496eb/attachment-0001.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.gif > Type: image/gif > Size: 1303 bytes > Desc: image001.gif > URL: 20171204/4a4496eb/attachment-0001.gif> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:04:22 +0000 > From: Susan Kelmer > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > Message-ID: > namprd03.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have been using Windows 10 against my will for the last year on my > personal laptop. After a year, I still hate it with the passion of a > thousand burning suns. Maybe more than a thousand. > > They broke what worked. The start menu is a freaking joke, it puts > whatever it wants there instead of what I am actually using all the time. > The only way for me to open programs now is to windows-button then type in > the program I?m looking for. I used to be able to click the most used ones > or at least select them with windows key and my up or down arrow keys, but > no more. The preview feature that works so well on Windows 7, on Windows > 10 is combined with the little ?show all/hide all? spot in the lower left > corner, and of course my mouse ends up down there all the time, hiding all > my windows even if I?m actively typing. So I had to turn off the preview > of the taskbar in order to fix that but now I don?t have the previews I > used to count on to figure out which task bar button to open (I usually > have the task bar pretty full of open programs. The personalized settings > for screen savers is totally borked?they work randomly and seldom. I also > can no longer schedule update! > s at my convenience, even with workarounds, and I will walk away from my > laptop for a few hours and come back and find it either updating, or it > just finished an update and rebooted. This despite telling it not to do > updates except in the middle of the night. I spend twenty minutes trying to > get everything back open again and of course it didn?t save anything it > should have saved, so I?ve got all these random documents that now need to > be saved, but can?t be saved over their original file name, but need a NEW > file name. I have tried to once a week do an ?install updates and reboot? > or ?install updates and shut down? with the start menu but it doesn?t > actually install updates?when you boot it back up, THEN it does updates. I > had one last week like that, told it to ?install and shut down? as I left > my house, came back many hours later to grab the laptop for a meeting, and > turned it on, and it spent 90 minutes installing updates. I had to take > paper notes for my meeting.- > > Krista gave some good tips, these are most things I?ve already done. Edge > is awful and Microsoft just needs to get out of the browser business now. > Didn?t they learn anything by watching Netscape?s demise?? > > It amazes me how much Microsoft doesn?t listen to its main clients, > BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. None of their ?improvements? are improvements at > all, they are just more obstacles, more things to learn (sometimes a huge > learning curve). So annoying! > > Susan Kelmer > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > Disability Services > University of Colorado Boulder > 303-735-4836 > > > > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > On Behalf Of Howard Kramer > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 11:02 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > > Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's > a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are > continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to > a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest > driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and > then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to > start all over again. > > Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the > registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so > frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S > until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about > 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. > > -Howard > > > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 > cell: 720-351-8668 > > > Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference cisco.com/1hEK0sGokrpnVyPJKqBTzczUeyNDG8sz_RjqEjchE6WxaBlP00O6qGy6MAKyzBT > Z2SSMLWrohOgL926cu4t4vZ2y5df90NnWaw6yEIjPIkTQ0R1oUr4OZGye4zi > WpAhhvGm96t8dUZe9yVNDK2jR2ex-wKNxYzXnG7pAJD1TWKaNdIi7Q3RQoHNqiNj2FL3Wo- > mq4LHxOaCbK2vL8DoPCWYMxFnYo9a2kmnAgYqGlpwZ9vgQRTWKeqwG4TmNF7 > hnKORV6rV1H0onFUm09Ze5xj2PZykbwDHEWl2ZJqU0e_nUb8IF2TSZ4NL_ > 99QNwPnBcu_W3QJmYC-KLtFiorKgDr17lR9hGkd9E8uS37zNvnntDiCW2ok5vjSqspvtgdO0q- > nbHi9GqQsGph1UTYywneQxaHKLfFibud7fEgBCWDU6Fx74amSHmf0ywDUQGO > gEN/http%3A%2F%2Faccessinghigherground.org%2F> in Denver, Colorado, Nov > 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of > March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! > And the Technology Access Series virtual-learning/at_webinars_15_16>. Site capacities for all webinar > events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the > largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now.< > http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20171205/34838bdd/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 12:40:21 -0700 > From: Howard Kramer > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > Message-ID: > GJh1iexofbLw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you all for sharing that - I feel less alone. Misery loves company. > :-) > > -Howard > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > > I have been using Windows 10 against my will for the last year on my > > personal laptop. After a year, I still hate it with the passion of a > > thousand burning suns. Maybe more than a thousand. > > > > > > > > They broke what worked. The start menu is a freaking joke, it puts > > whatever it wants there instead of what I am actually using all the time. > > The only way for me to open programs now is to windows-button then type > in > > the program I?m looking for. I used to be able to click the most used > ones > > or at least select them with windows key and my up or down arrow keys, > but > > no more. The preview feature that works so well on Windows 7, on Windows > > 10 is combined with the little ?show all/hide all? spot in the lower left > > corner, and of course my mouse ends up down there all the time, hiding > all > > my windows even if I?m actively typing. So I had to turn off the preview > > of the taskbar in order to fix that but now I don?t have the previews I > > used to count on to figure out which task bar button to open (I usually > > have the task bar pretty full of open programs. The personalized > settings > > for screen savers is totally borked?they work randomly and seldom. I > also > > can no longer schedule updates at my convenience, even with workarounds, > > and I will walk away from my laptop for a few hours and come back and > find > > it either updating, or it just finished an update and rebooted. This > > despite telling it not to do updates except in the middle of the night. I > > spend twenty minutes trying to get everything back open again and of > course > > it didn?t save anything it should have saved, so I?ve got all these > random > > documents that now need to be saved, but can?t be saved over their > original > > file name, but need a NEW file name. I have tried to once a week do an > > ?install updates and reboot? or ?install updates and shut down? with the > > start menu but it doesn?t actually install updates?when you boot it back > > up, THEN it does updates. I had one last week like that, told it to > > ?install and shut down? as I left my house, came back many hours later to > > grab the laptop for a meeting, and turned it on, and it spent 90 minutes > > installing updates. I had to take paper notes for my meeting.- > > > > > > > > Krista gave some good tips, these are most things I?ve already done. > Edge > > is awful and Microsoft just needs to get out of the browser business now. > > Didn?t they learn anything by watching Netscape?s demise?? > > > > > > > > It amazes me how much Microsoft doesn?t listen to its main clients, > > BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. None of their ?improvements? are improvements at > > all, they are just more obstacles, more things to learn (sometimes a huge > > learning curve). So annoying! > > > > > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > > > *Disability Services* > > > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > > > *303-735-4836 <(303)%20735-4836>* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > *On > > Behalf Of *Howard Kramer > > *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 11:02 AM > > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > > *Subject:* [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > > > > > > > > Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's > > a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are > > continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up > to > > a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest > > driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better > and > > then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to > > start all over again. > > > > > > > > Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the > > registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so > > frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S > > until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about > > 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. > > > > > > > > -Howard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Howard Kramer > > > > Conference Coordinator > > > > Accessing Higher Ground > > > > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> > > > > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> > > > > > > > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > > RjqEjchE6WxaBlP00O6qGy6MAKyzBTZ2SSMLWrohOgL926cu4t4vZ2y5df90 > NnWaw6yEIjPIkTQ0R1oUr4OZGye4ziWpAhhvGm96t8dUZe9yVNDK2jR2ex- > wKNxYzXnG7pAJD1TWKaNdIi7Q3RQoHNqiNj2FL3Wo-mq4LHxOaCbK2vL8DoPCWYMxFnYo9a2 > kmnAgYqGlpwZ9vgQRTWKeqwG4TmNF7hnKORV6rV1H0onFUm09Ze5xj2PZykb > wDHEWl2ZJqU0e_nUb8IF2TSZ4NL_99QNwPnBcu_W3QJmYC- > KLtFiorKgDr17lR9hGkd9E8uS37zNvnntDiCW2ok5vjSqspvtgdO0q- > nbHi9GqQsGph1UTYywneQxaHKLfFibud7fEgBCWDU6Fx74amSHmf0ywDUQGO > gEN/http%3A%2F%2Faccessinghigherground.org%2F>* in > > Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. 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URL: From hadir at uw.edu Tue Dec 5 14:26:43 2017 From: hadir at uw.edu (Hadi Rangin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 143, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I forwarded your feedback/complaints about Windows Update and unpredictable outcome after update to our Microsoft contacts after removing all the identifiable information; so no names, e-mail or contact info. I am planning to have a conversation with the Windows team within the next weeks/months to discuss the issues. I?ll let you know if something comes out of it. Thanks, Hadi From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Anna Marie Golden Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 1:50 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 143, Issue 3 ? EVERY TIME Windows 10 updates, it messes everything up. I found a hack online somewhere so I could get it stop automatically installing the updates. Now when the dialog pops up because there's an update, I dismiss it, It still opens the update window but I can just close it now instead of waiting for the update to complete. It's annoying but it beats Windows updating whenever it wants to. I'm actually afraid to do anymore Windows 10 updates. I keep dismissing them because installing them means I end up having to google all sorts of things to get everything back to the way it was. Sometimes I can't get it back to the way it was because they remove useful features that give users choices outside of the Microsoft ecosystem. I never know what to expect from an update and it has cost time and productivity every single time I've allowed an update to happen. I'm really disappointed in Windows 10 overall. It's too controlling. They created it more like a home version, forcing settings and security I don't want. And the way they made the updates work is ridiculous. Nothing like standing in front of a room of people, ready to give a presentation when Windows 10 decides to update on its own... --Anna Marie (First name = "Anna Marie") On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:00 PM, > wrote: Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Krista Greear) 2. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Susan Kelmer) 3. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Howard Kramer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 20:12:40 +0000 From: Krista Greear > To: "chagnon@pubcom.com" >, "Access Technology Higher Education Network" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Some things I shared with my office after upgrading 40 computers to Windows 10 this summer. ? Stop folders from being added to Quick Access https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4027032/windows-pin-remove-and-customize-in-quick-access ? I turned off animations when I was typing: https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-off-Office-animations-9EE5C4D2-D144-4FD2-B670-22CEF9FA025A ? Made the cursor bigger: https://www.isunshare.com/windows-10/3-ways-to-change-mouse-pointer-size-and-color-in-windows-10.html ? Turn off Outlook email desktop notifications: https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-new-message-alert-pop-up-on-or-off-9940c70e-b306-442e-a856-d94b20318481. ? Changed colors o Right click on desktop o Select Personalize o Select Colors on left side o Pick your color then turn on the ?Show color on Start, taskbar, action center, and title bar? and ?Make Start, taskbar, and action center transparent? options at the bottom ? Making Adobe the Default Pdf Reader o Hit the windows key and search ?Default Programs? o Scroll down and select ?choose default apps by file type? o Scroll down to .pdf, click the icon, and select Adobe Acrobat. o Exit out, you?re done! Krista KRISTA GREEAR Assistant Director Disability Resources for Students 011 Mary Gates Hall Box 352808 Seattle, WA 98195-2808 Direct: 206.221.4136 / Main: 206.543.8924 greeark@uw.edu>/ http://disability.uw.edu [cid:image001.gif@01D33387.742D8C60] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Chagnon | PubCom Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 10:15 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Not only is this a royal P I T A for everyone, but it?s also an ADA issue and the community should file a formal complaint with DOJ?s ADA office. Adobe is not able to stop Microsoft from hijacking the PDF file format?s default software. In theory, all users should be able to set their default preferences for any file format, and the OS (namely Apple and Microsoft) should respect the user?s choice. There was an anti-trust lawsuit in the 1990s with Microsoft about something very similar. Since then, we now that we have Sec. 508 in place and I think a stronger case can be built on ADA violations. Edge is not fully accessible and provides an inferior user experience for those using A T. Any accessibility lawyers out there who want to fight this? --Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon | www.PubCom.com Technologists for Accessible Design and Publishing print ? digital ? web ? documents ? pdfs ? epubs consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services ? ? ? From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to start all over again. Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. -Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 1303 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:04:22 +0000 From: Susan Kelmer > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I have been using Windows 10 against my will for the last year on my personal laptop. After a year, I still hate it with the passion of a thousand burning suns. Maybe more than a thousand. They broke what worked. The start menu is a freaking joke, it puts whatever it wants there instead of what I am actually using all the time. The only way for me to open programs now is to windows-button then type in the program I?m looking for. I used to be able to click the most used ones or at least select them with windows key and my up or down arrow keys, but no more. The preview feature that works so well on Windows 7, on Windows 10 is combined with the little ?show all/hide all? spot in the lower left corner, and of course my mouse ends up down there all the time, hiding all my windows even if I?m actively typing. So I had to turn off the preview of the taskbar in order to fix that but now I don?t have the previews I used to count on to figure out which task bar button to open (I usually have the task bar pretty full of open programs. The personalized settings for screen savers is totally borked?they work randomly and seldom. I also can no longer schedule update! s at my convenience, even with workarounds, and I will walk away from my laptop for a few hours and come back and find it either updating, or it just finished an update and rebooted. This despite telling it not to do updates except in the middle of the night. I spend twenty minutes trying to get everything back open again and of course it didn?t save anything it should have saved, so I?ve got all these random documents that now need to be saved, but can?t be saved over their original file name, but need a NEW file name. I have tried to once a week do an ?install updates and reboot? or ?install updates and shut down? with the start menu but it doesn?t actually install updates?when you boot it back up, THEN it does updates. I had one last week like that, told it to ?install and shut down? as I left my house, came back many hours later to grab the laptop for a meeting, and turned it on, and it spent 90 minutes installing updates. I had to take paper notes for my meeting.- Krista gave some good tips, these are most things I?ve already done. Edge is awful and Microsoft just needs to get out of the browser business now. Didn?t they learn anything by watching Netscape?s demise?? It amazes me how much Microsoft doesn?t listen to its main clients, BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. None of their ?improvements? are improvements at all, they are just more obstacles, more things to learn (sometimes a huge learning curve). So annoying! Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 11:02 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to start all over again. Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. -Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 12:40:21 -0700 From: Howard Kramer > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thank you all for sharing that - I feel less alone. Misery loves company. :-) -Howard On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: > I have been using Windows 10 against my will for the last year on my > personal laptop. After a year, I still hate it with the passion of a > thousand burning suns. Maybe more than a thousand. > > > > They broke what worked. The start menu is a freaking joke, it puts > whatever it wants there instead of what I am actually using all the time. > The only way for me to open programs now is to windows-button then type in > the program I?m looking for. I used to be able to click the most used ones > or at least select them with windows key and my up or down arrow keys, but > no more. The preview feature that works so well on Windows 7, on Windows > 10 is combined with the little ?show all/hide all? spot in the lower left > corner, and of course my mouse ends up down there all the time, hiding all > my windows even if I?m actively typing. So I had to turn off the preview > of the taskbar in order to fix that but now I don?t have the previews I > used to count on to figure out which task bar button to open (I usually > have the task bar pretty full of open programs. The personalized settings > for screen savers is totally borked?they work randomly and seldom. I also > can no longer schedule updates at my convenience, even with workarounds, > and I will walk away from my laptop for a few hours and come back and find > it either updating, or it just finished an update and rebooted. This > despite telling it not to do updates except in the middle of the night. I > spend twenty minutes trying to get everything back open again and of course > it didn?t save anything it should have saved, so I?ve got all these random > documents that now need to be saved, but can?t be saved over their original > file name, but need a NEW file name. I have tried to once a week do an > ?install updates and reboot? or ?install updates and shut down? with the > start menu but it doesn?t actually install updates?when you boot it back > up, THEN it does updates. I had one last week like that, told it to > ?install and shut down? as I left my house, came back many hours later to > grab the laptop for a meeting, and turned it on, and it spent 90 minutes > installing updates. I had to take paper notes for my meeting.- > > > > Krista gave some good tips, these are most things I?ve already done. Edge > is awful and Microsoft just needs to get out of the browser business now. > Didn?t they learn anything by watching Netscape?s demise?? > > > > It amazes me how much Microsoft doesn?t listen to its main clients, > BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. None of their ?improvements? are improvements at > all, they are just more obstacles, more things to learn (sometimes a huge > learning curve). So annoying! > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836 <(303)%20735-4836>* > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Howard Kramer > *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 11:02 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > > > > Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's > a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are > continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to > a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest > driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and > then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to > start all over again. > > > > Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the > registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so > frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S > until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about > 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. > > > > -Howard > > > > > > > -- > > Howard Kramer > > Conference Coordinator > > Accessing Higher Ground > > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> > > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> > > > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > * in > Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be > announced at the beginning of March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! > * And the *Technology > Access Series *. > Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your > earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list ------------------------------ End of athen-list Digest, Vol 143, Issue 3 ****************************************** -- Anna Marie Golden, MHCID ?Master of Human-Computer Interaction + Design, Class of 2014? IT Accessibility Specialist Accessible Technology Services, UW-IT (206) 221-4164 Mailing Address: Box 354842 University of Washington Seattle, WA 98195-4842 Street Address: 4545 Building 4545 - 15th Avenue NE, Suite 100 Seattle, Washington 98105 http://www.washington.edu/accessibility/ [https://docs.google.com/a/uw.edu/uc?id=0B3WFo_RO_J2qelZldzBXN3JMbnc&export=download] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 14:47:52 2017 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Windows 10 updates & unpredictability Message-ID: Thank you, Hadi. Getting MS's attention on these concerns is very helpful. Keep us posted if you get some fixes or news on updates. Blessings, Wink Wink Harner, Foreigntype * Adaptive Technology consulting & training. Alternative Text conversion * Portland OR On Dec 5, 2017 2:27 PM, "Hadi Rangin" wrote: > I forwarded your feedback/complaints about Windows Update and > unpredictable outcome after update to our Microsoft contacts after removing > all the identifiable information; so no names, e-mail or contact info. > > I am planning to have a conversation with the Windows team within the next > weeks/months to discuss the issues. > > I?ll let you know if something comes out of it. > > > > Thanks, > > Hadi > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Anna Marie Golden > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2017 1:50 PM > *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 143, Issue 3 > > > > *?* > > *EVERY TIME* Windows 10 updates, it messes everything up. I found a hack > online somewhere so I could get it stop automatically installing the > updates. > > > Now when the dialog pops up because there's an update, I dismiss it, It > still opens the update window but I can just close it now instead of > waiting for the update to complete. It's annoying but it beats Windows > updating whenever it wants to. > > I'm actually afraid to do anymore Windows 10 updates. I keep dismissing > them because installing them means I end up having to google all sorts of > things to get everything back to the way it was. Sometimes I can't get it > back to the way it was because they remove useful features that give users > choices outside of the Microsoft ecosystem. I never know what to expect > from an update and it has cost time and productivity every single time I've > allowed an update to happen. > > I'm really disappointed in Windows 10 overall. It's too controlling. > They created it more like a home version, forcing settings and security I > don't want. And the way they made the updates work is ridiculous. Nothing > like standing in front of a room of people, ready to give a presentation > when Windows 10 decides to update on its own... > > > > --Anna Marie > > (First name = "Anna Marie") > > > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:00 PM, u.washington.edu> wrote: > > Send athen-list mailing list submissions to > athen-list@u.washington.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Krista Greear) > 2. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Susan Kelmer) > 3. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Howard Kramer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 20:12:40 +0000 > From: Krista Greear > To: "chagnon@pubcom.com" , "Access Technology > Higher Education Network" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > Message-ID: > namprd08.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Some things I shared with my office after upgrading 40 computers to > Windows 10 this summer. > > > ? Stop folders from being added to Quick Access > https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4027032/windows- > pin-remove-and-customize-in-quick-access > > ? I turned off animations when I was typing: > https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-off-Office- > animations-9EE5C4D2-D144-4FD2-B670-22CEF9FA025A > > ? Made the cursor bigger: https://www.isunshare.com/ > windows-10/3-ways-to-change-mouse-pointer-size-and-color- > in-windows-10.html > > ? Turn off Outlook email desktop notifications: > https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-new-message- > alert-pop-up-on-or-off-9940c70e-b306-442e-a856-d94b20318481. > > ? Changed colors > > o Right click on desktop > > o Select Personalize > > o Select Colors on left side > > o Pick your color then turn on the ?Show color on Start, taskbar, action > center, and title bar? and ?Make Start, taskbar, and action center > transparent? options at the bottom > > ? Making Adobe the Default Pdf Reader > > o Hit the windows key and search ?Default Programs? > > o Scroll down and select ?choose default apps by file type? > > o Scroll down to .pdf, click the icon, and select Adobe Acrobat. > > o Exit out, you?re done! > Krista > > KRISTA GREEAR > Assistant Director > Disability Resources for Students > > 011 Mary Gates Hall > Box 352808 > Seattle, WA 98195-2808 > Direct: 206.221.4136 <(206)%20221-4136> / Main: 206.543.8924 > <(206)%20543-8924> > greeark@uw.edu/ http://disability.uw.edu //disability.uw.edu/> > [cid:image001.gif@01D33387.742D8C60] > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > On Behalf Of Chagnon | PubCom > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 10:15 AM > To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > > Not only is this a royal P I T A for everyone, but it?s also an ADA issue > and the community should file a formal complaint with DOJ?s ADA office. > > Adobe is not able to stop Microsoft from hijacking the PDF file format?s > default software. > > In theory, all users should be able to set their default preferences for > any file format, and the OS (namely Apple and Microsoft) should respect the > user?s choice. There was an anti-trust lawsuit in the 1990s with Microsoft > about something very similar. > > Since then, we now that we have Sec. 508 in place and I think a stronger > case can be built on ADA violations. Edge is not fully accessible and > provides an inferior user experience for those using A T. > > Any accessibility lawyers out there who want to fight this? > > --Bevi Chagnon > > ? ? ? > ? ? ? > Bevi Chagnon | www.PubCom.com > Technologists for Accessible Design and Publishing > print ? digital ? web ? documents ? pdfs ? epubs > consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services > ? ? ? > > > > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > On Behalf Of Howard Kramer > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:02 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > > Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's > a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are > continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to > a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest > driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and > then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to > start all over again. > > Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the > registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so > frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S > until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about > 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. > > -Howard > > > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> > > > Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference accessinghigherground.org/> in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. > Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! > And the Technology Access Series virtual-learning/at_webinars_15_16>. Site capacities for all webinar > events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the > largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now.< > http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20171204/4a4496eb/attachment-0001.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.gif > Type: image/gif > Size: 1303 bytes > Desc: image001.gif > URL: 20171204/4a4496eb/attachment-0001.gif> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:04:22 +0000 > From: Susan Kelmer > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > Message-ID: > namprd03.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have been using Windows 10 against my will for the last year on my > personal laptop. After a year, I still hate it with the passion of a > thousand burning suns. Maybe more than a thousand. > > They broke what worked. The start menu is a freaking joke, it puts > whatever it wants there instead of what I am actually using all the time. > The only way for me to open programs now is to windows-button then type in > the program I?m looking for. I used to be able to click the most used ones > or at least select them with windows key and my up or down arrow keys, but > no more. The preview feature that works so well on Windows 7, on Windows > 10 is combined with the little ?show all/hide all? spot in the lower left > corner, and of course my mouse ends up down there all the time, hiding all > my windows even if I?m actively typing. So I had to turn off the preview > of the taskbar in order to fix that but now I don?t have the previews I > used to count on to figure out which task bar button to open (I usually > have the task bar pretty full of open programs. The personalized settings > for screen savers is totally borked?they work randomly and seldom. I also > can no longer schedule update! > s at my convenience, even with workarounds, and I will walk away from my > laptop for a few hours and come back and find it either updating, or it > just finished an update and rebooted. This despite telling it not to do > updates except in the middle of the night. I spend twenty minutes trying to > get everything back open again and of course it didn?t save anything it > should have saved, so I?ve got all these random documents that now need to > be saved, but can?t be saved over their original file name, but need a NEW > file name. I have tried to once a week do an ?install updates and reboot? > or ?install updates and shut down? with the start menu but it doesn?t > actually install updates?when you boot it back up, THEN it does updates. I > had one last week like that, told it to ?install and shut down? as I left > my house, came back many hours later to grab the laptop for a meeting, and > turned it on, and it spent 90 minutes installing updates. I had to take > paper notes for my meeting.- > > Krista gave some good tips, these are most things I?ve already done. Edge > is awful and Microsoft just needs to get out of the browser business now. > Didn?t they learn anything by watching Netscape?s demise?? > > It amazes me how much Microsoft doesn?t listen to its main clients, > BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. None of their ?improvements? are improvements at > all, they are just more obstacles, more things to learn (sometimes a huge > learning curve). So annoying! > > Susan Kelmer > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > Disability Services > University of Colorado Boulder > 303-735-4836 <(303)%20735-4836> > > > > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > On Behalf Of Howard Kramer > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 11:02 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > > Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's > a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are > continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to > a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest > driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and > then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to > start all over again. > > Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the > registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so > frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S > until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about > 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. > > -Howard > > > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> > > > Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference cisco.com/1hEK0sGokrpnVyPJKqBTzczUeyNDG8sz_RjqEjchE6WxaBlP00O6qGy6MAKyzBT > Z2SSMLWrohOgL926cu4t4vZ2y5df90NnWaw6yEIjPIkTQ0R1oUr4OZGye4zi > WpAhhvGm96t8dUZe9yVNDK2jR2ex-wKNxYzXnG7pAJD1TWKaNdIi7Q3RQoHNqiNj2FL3Wo- > mq4LHxOaCbK2vL8DoPCWYMxFnYo9a2kmnAgYqGlpwZ9vgQRTWKeqwG4TmNF7 > hnKORV6rV1H0onFUm09Ze5xj2PZykbwDHEWl2ZJqU0e_nUb8IF2TSZ4NL_ > 99QNwPnBcu_W3QJmYC-KLtFiorKgDr17lR9hGkd9E8uS37zNvnntDiCW2ok5vjSqspvtgdO0q- > nbHi9GqQsGph1UTYywneQxaHKLfFibud7fEgBCWDU6Fx74amSHmf0ywDUQGO > gEN/http%3A%2F%2Faccessinghigherground.org%2F> in Denver, Colorado, Nov > 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of > March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! > And the Technology Access Series virtual-learning/at_webinars_15_16>. Site capacities for all webinar > events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the > largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now.< > http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20171205/34838bdd/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 12:40:21 -0700 > From: Howard Kramer > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > Message-ID: > GJh1iexofbLw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you all for sharing that - I feel less alone. Misery loves company. > :-) > > -Howard > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > > I have been using Windows 10 against my will for the last year on my > > personal laptop. After a year, I still hate it with the passion of a > > thousand burning suns. Maybe more than a thousand. > > > > > > > > They broke what worked. The start menu is a freaking joke, it puts > > whatever it wants there instead of what I am actually using all the time. > > The only way for me to open programs now is to windows-button then type > in > > the program I?m looking for. I used to be able to click the most used > ones > > or at least select them with windows key and my up or down arrow keys, > but > > no more. The preview feature that works so well on Windows 7, on Windows > > 10 is combined with the little ?show all/hide all? spot in the lower left > > corner, and of course my mouse ends up down there all the time, hiding > all > > my windows even if I?m actively typing. So I had to turn off the preview > > of the taskbar in order to fix that but now I don?t have the previews I > > used to count on to figure out which task bar button to open (I usually > > have the task bar pretty full of open programs. The personalized > settings > > for screen savers is totally borked?they work randomly and seldom. I > also > > can no longer schedule updates at my convenience, even with workarounds, > > and I will walk away from my laptop for a few hours and come back and > find > > it either updating, or it just finished an update and rebooted. This > > despite telling it not to do updates except in the middle of the night. I > > spend twenty minutes trying to get everything back open again and of > course > > it didn?t save anything it should have saved, so I?ve got all these > random > > documents that now need to be saved, but can?t be saved over their > original > > file name, but need a NEW file name. I have tried to once a week do an > > ?install updates and reboot? or ?install updates and shut down? with the > > start menu but it doesn?t actually install updates?when you boot it back > > up, THEN it does updates. I had one last week like that, told it to > > ?install and shut down? as I left my house, came back many hours later to > > grab the laptop for a meeting, and turned it on, and it spent 90 minutes > > installing updates. I had to take paper notes for my meeting.- > > > > > > > > Krista gave some good tips, these are most things I?ve already done. > Edge > > is awful and Microsoft just needs to get out of the browser business now. > > Didn?t they learn anything by watching Netscape?s demise?? > > > > > > > > It amazes me how much Microsoft doesn?t listen to its main clients, > > BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. None of their ?improvements? are improvements at > > all, they are just more obstacles, more things to learn (sometimes a huge > > learning curve). So annoying! > > > > > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > > > *Disability Services* > > > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > > > *303-735-4836 <(303)%20735-4836> <(303)%20735-4836>* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > *On > > Behalf Of *Howard Kramer > > *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 11:02 AM > > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > > *Subject:* [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > > > > > > > > Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's > > a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are > > continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up > to > > a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest > > driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better > and > > then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to > > start all over again. > > > > > > > > Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the > > registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so > > frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S > > until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about > > 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. > > > > > > > > -Howard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Howard Kramer > > > > Conference Coordinator > > > > Accessing Higher Ground > > > > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> <(303)%20492-8672> > > > > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> <(720)%20351-8668> > > > > > > > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > > RjqEjchE6WxaBlP00O6qGy6MAKyzBTZ2SSMLWrohOgL926cu4t4vZ2y5df90 > NnWaw6yEIjPIkTQ0R1oUr4OZGye4ziWpAhhvGm96t8dUZe9yVNDK2jR2ex- > wKNxYzXnG7pAJD1TWKaNdIi7Q3RQoHNqiNj2FL3Wo-mq4LHxOaCbK2vL8DoPCWYMxFnYo9a2 > kmnAgYqGlpwZ9vgQRTWKeqwG4TmNF7hnKORV6rV1H0onFUm09Ze5xj2PZykb > wDHEWl2ZJqU0e_nUb8IF2TSZ4NL_99QNwPnBcu_W3QJmYC- > KLtFiorKgDr17lR9hGkd9E8uS37zNvnntDiCW2ok5vjSqspvtgdO0q- > nbHi9GqQsGph1UTYywneQxaHKLfFibud7fEgBCWDU6Fx74amSHmf0ywDUQGO > gEN/http%3A%2F%2Faccessinghigherground.org%2F>* in > > Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. 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URL: From danc at uw.edu Tue Dec 5 15:13:51 2017 From: danc at uw.edu (Dan Comden) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 143, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are five people with Microsoft email addresses subscribed to this discussion list. I hope they can pass on the frustrations felt by many about Windows 10. Personally, I cringe every time I have to work in a Win 10 environment for some of the reasons described by others. I run Win 7 at home on my personal machine, and we're still running it in our computer labs (though that's likely changing next term). There are different approaches to turning off automatic updates -- I'll leave that as a Google exercise for y'all. -*- Dan On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Hadi Rangin wrote: > I forwarded your feedback/complaints about Windows Update and > unpredictable outcome after update to our Microsoft contacts after removing > all the identifiable information; so no names, e-mail or contact info. > > I am planning to have a conversation with the Windows team within the next > weeks/months to discuss the issues. > > I?ll let you know if something comes out of it. > > > > Thanks, > > Hadi > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Anna Marie Golden > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2017 1:50 PM > *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 143, Issue 3 > > > > *?* > > *EVERY TIME* Windows 10 updates, it messes everything up. I found a hack > online somewhere so I could get it stop automatically installing the > updates. > > > Now when the dialog pops up because there's an update, I dismiss it, It > still opens the update window but I can just close it now instead of > waiting for the update to complete. It's annoying but it beats Windows > updating whenever it wants to. > > I'm actually afraid to do anymore Windows 10 updates. I keep dismissing > them because installing them means I end up having to google all sorts of > things to get everything back to the way it was. Sometimes I can't get it > back to the way it was because they remove useful features that give users > choices outside of the Microsoft ecosystem. I never know what to expect > from an update and it has cost time and productivity every single time I've > allowed an update to happen. > > I'm really disappointed in Windows 10 overall. It's too controlling. > They created it more like a home version, forcing settings and security I > don't want. And the way they made the updates work is ridiculous. Nothing > like standing in front of a room of people, ready to give a presentation > when Windows 10 decides to update on its own... > > > > --Anna Marie > > (First name = "Anna Marie") > > > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:00 PM, u.washington.edu> wrote: > > Send athen-list mailing list submissions to > athen-list@u.washington.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Krista Greear) > 2. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Susan Kelmer) > 3. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Howard Kramer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 20:12:40 +0000 > From: Krista Greear > To: "chagnon@pubcom.com" , "Access Technology > Higher Education Network" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > Message-ID: > namprd08.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Some things I shared with my office after upgrading 40 computers to > Windows 10 this summer. > > > ? Stop folders from being added to Quick Access > https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4027032/windows- > pin-remove-and-customize-in-quick-access > > ? I turned off animations when I was typing: > https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-off-Office- > animations-9EE5C4D2-D144-4FD2-B670-22CEF9FA025A > > ? Made the cursor bigger: https://www.isunshare.com/ > windows-10/3-ways-to-change-mouse-pointer-size-and-color- > in-windows-10.html > > ? Turn off Outlook email desktop notifications: > https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-new-message- > alert-pop-up-on-or-off-9940c70e-b306-442e-a856-d94b20318481. > > ? Changed colors > > o Right click on desktop > > o Select Personalize > > o Select Colors on left side > > o Pick your color then turn on the ?Show color on Start, taskbar, action > center, and title bar? and ?Make Start, taskbar, and action center > transparent? options at the bottom > > ? Making Adobe the Default Pdf Reader > > o Hit the windows key and search ?Default Programs? > > o Scroll down and select ?choose default apps by file type? > > o Scroll down to .pdf, click the icon, and select Adobe Acrobat. > > o Exit out, you?re done! > Krista > > KRISTA GREEAR > Assistant Director > Disability Resources for Students > > 011 Mary Gates Hall > Box 352808 > Seattle, WA 98195-2808 > Direct: 206.221.4136 <(206)%20221-4136> / Main: 206.543.8924 > <(206)%20543-8924> > greeark@uw.edu/ http://disability.uw.edu //disability.uw.edu/> > [cid:image001.gif@01D33387.742D8C60] > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > On Behalf Of Chagnon | PubCom > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 10:15 AM > To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > > Not only is this a royal P I T A for everyone, but it?s also an ADA issue > and the community should file a formal complaint with DOJ?s ADA office. > > Adobe is not able to stop Microsoft from hijacking the PDF file format?s > default software. > > In theory, all users should be able to set their default preferences for > any file format, and the OS (namely Apple and Microsoft) should respect the > user?s choice. There was an anti-trust lawsuit in the 1990s with Microsoft > about something very similar. > > Since then, we now that we have Sec. 508 in place and I think a stronger > case can be built on ADA violations. Edge is not fully accessible and > provides an inferior user experience for those using A T. > > Any accessibility lawyers out there who want to fight this? > > --Bevi Chagnon > > ? ? ? > ? ? ? > Bevi Chagnon | www.PubCom.com > Technologists for Accessible Design and Publishing > print ? digital ? web ? documents ? pdfs ? epubs > consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services > ? ? ? > > > > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > On Behalf Of Howard Kramer > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:02 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > > Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's > a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are > continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to > a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest > driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and > then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to > start all over again. > > Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the > registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so > frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S > until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about > 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. > > -Howard > > > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> > > > Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference accessinghigherground.org/> in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. > Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! > And the Technology Access Series virtual-learning/at_webinars_15_16>. Site capacities for all webinar > events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the > largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now.< > http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20171204/4a4496eb/attachment-0001.html> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.gif > Type: image/gif > Size: 1303 bytes > Desc: image001.gif > URL: 20171204/4a4496eb/attachment-0001.gif> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:04:22 +0000 > From: Susan Kelmer > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > Message-ID: > namprd03.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have been using Windows 10 against my will for the last year on my > personal laptop. After a year, I still hate it with the passion of a > thousand burning suns. Maybe more than a thousand. > > They broke what worked. The start menu is a freaking joke, it puts > whatever it wants there instead of what I am actually using all the time. > The only way for me to open programs now is to windows-button then type in > the program I?m looking for. I used to be able to click the most used ones > or at least select them with windows key and my up or down arrow keys, but > no more. The preview feature that works so well on Windows 7, on Windows > 10 is combined with the little ?show all/hide all? spot in the lower left > corner, and of course my mouse ends up down there all the time, hiding all > my windows even if I?m actively typing. So I had to turn off the preview > of the taskbar in order to fix that but now I don?t have the previews I > used to count on to figure out which task bar button to open (I usually > have the task bar pretty full of open programs. The personalized settings > for screen savers is totally borked?they work randomly and seldom. I also > can no longer schedule update! > s at my convenience, even with workarounds, and I will walk away from my > laptop for a few hours and come back and find it either updating, or it > just finished an update and rebooted. This despite telling it not to do > updates except in the middle of the night. I spend twenty minutes trying to > get everything back open again and of course it didn?t save anything it > should have saved, so I?ve got all these random documents that now need to > be saved, but can?t be saved over their original file name, but need a NEW > file name. I have tried to once a week do an ?install updates and reboot? > or ?install updates and shut down? with the start menu but it doesn?t > actually install updates?when you boot it back up, THEN it does updates. I > had one last week like that, told it to ?install and shut down? as I left > my house, came back many hours later to grab the laptop for a meeting, and > turned it on, and it spent 90 minutes installing updates. I had to take > paper notes for my meeting.- > > Krista gave some good tips, these are most things I?ve already done. Edge > is awful and Microsoft just needs to get out of the browser business now. > Didn?t they learn anything by watching Netscape?s demise?? > > It amazes me how much Microsoft doesn?t listen to its main clients, > BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. None of their ?improvements? are improvements at > all, they are just more obstacles, more things to learn (sometimes a huge > learning curve). So annoying! > > Susan Kelmer > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > Disability Services > University of Colorado Boulder > 303-735-4836 <(303)%20735-4836> > > > > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > On Behalf Of Howard Kramer > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 11:02 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > > Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's > a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are > continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to > a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest > driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and > then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to > start all over again. > > Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the > registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so > frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S > until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about > 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. > > -Howard > > > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> > > > Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference cisco.com/1hEK0sGokrpnVyPJKqBTzczUeyNDG8sz_RjqEjchE6WxaBlP00O6qGy6MAKyzBT > Z2SSMLWrohOgL926cu4t4vZ2y5df90NnWaw6yEIjPIkTQ0R1oUr4OZGye4zi > WpAhhvGm96t8dUZe9yVNDK2jR2ex-wKNxYzXnG7pAJD1TWKaNdIi7Q3RQoHNqiNj2FL3Wo- > mq4LHxOaCbK2vL8DoPCWYMxFnYo9a2kmnAgYqGlpwZ9vgQRTWKeqwG4TmNF7 > hnKORV6rV1H0onFUm09Ze5xj2PZykbwDHEWl2ZJqU0e_nUb8IF2TSZ4NL_ > 99QNwPnBcu_W3QJmYC-KLtFiorKgDr17lR9hGkd9E8uS37zNvnntDiCW2ok5vjSqspvtgdO0q- > nbHi9GqQsGph1UTYywneQxaHKLfFibud7fEgBCWDU6Fx74amSHmf0ywDUQGO > gEN/http%3A%2F%2Faccessinghigherground.org%2F> in Denver, Colorado, Nov > 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of > March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! > And the Technology Access Series virtual-learning/at_webinars_15_16>. Site capacities for all webinar > events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the > largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now.< > http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: 20171205/34838bdd/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 12:40:21 -0700 > From: Howard Kramer > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > Message-ID: > GJh1iexofbLw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you all for sharing that - I feel less alone. Misery loves company. > :-) > > -Howard > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > > I have been using Windows 10 against my will for the last year on my > > personal laptop. After a year, I still hate it with the passion of a > > thousand burning suns. Maybe more than a thousand. > > > > > > > > They broke what worked. The start menu is a freaking joke, it puts > > whatever it wants there instead of what I am actually using all the time. > > The only way for me to open programs now is to windows-button then type > in > > the program I?m looking for. I used to be able to click the most used > ones > > or at least select them with windows key and my up or down arrow keys, > but > > no more. The preview feature that works so well on Windows 7, on Windows > > 10 is combined with the little ?show all/hide all? spot in the lower left > > corner, and of course my mouse ends up down there all the time, hiding > all > > my windows even if I?m actively typing. So I had to turn off the preview > > of the taskbar in order to fix that but now I don?t have the previews I > > used to count on to figure out which task bar button to open (I usually > > have the task bar pretty full of open programs. The personalized > settings > > for screen savers is totally borked?they work randomly and seldom. I > also > > can no longer schedule updates at my convenience, even with workarounds, > > and I will walk away from my laptop for a few hours and come back and > find > > it either updating, or it just finished an update and rebooted. This > > despite telling it not to do updates except in the middle of the night. I > > spend twenty minutes trying to get everything back open again and of > course > > it didn?t save anything it should have saved, so I?ve got all these > random > > documents that now need to be saved, but can?t be saved over their > original > > file name, but need a NEW file name. I have tried to once a week do an > > ?install updates and reboot? or ?install updates and shut down? with the > > start menu but it doesn?t actually install updates?when you boot it back > > up, THEN it does updates. I had one last week like that, told it to > > ?install and shut down? as I left my house, came back many hours later to > > grab the laptop for a meeting, and turned it on, and it spent 90 minutes > > installing updates. I had to take paper notes for my meeting.- > > > > > > > > Krista gave some good tips, these are most things I?ve already done. > Edge > > is awful and Microsoft just needs to get out of the browser business now. > > Didn?t they learn anything by watching Netscape?s demise?? > > > > > > > > It amazes me how much Microsoft doesn?t listen to its main clients, > > BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. None of their ?improvements? are improvements at > > all, they are just more obstacles, more things to learn (sometimes a huge > > learning curve). So annoying! > > > > > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > > > *Disability Services* > > > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > > > *303-735-4836 <(303)%20735-4836> <(303)%20735-4836>* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > *On > > Behalf Of *Howard Kramer > > *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 11:02 AM > > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > > *Subject:* [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > > > > > > > > Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's > > a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are > > continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up > to > > a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest > > driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better > and > > then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to > > start all over again. > > > > > > > > Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the > > registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so > > frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S > > until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about > > 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. > > > > > > > > -Howard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Howard Kramer > > > > Conference Coordinator > > > > Accessing Higher Ground > > > > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> <(303)%20492-8672> > > > > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> <(720)%20351-8668> > > > > > > > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > > RjqEjchE6WxaBlP00O6qGy6MAKyzBTZ2SSMLWrohOgL926cu4t4vZ2y5df90 > NnWaw6yEIjPIkTQ0R1oUr4OZGye4ziWpAhhvGm96t8dUZe9yVNDK2jR2ex- > wKNxYzXnG7pAJD1TWKaNdIi7Q3RQoHNqiNj2FL3Wo-mq4LHxOaCbK2vL8DoPCWYMxFnYo9a2 > kmnAgYqGlpwZ9vgQRTWKeqwG4TmNF7hnKORV6rV1H0onFUm09Ze5xj2PZykb > wDHEWl2ZJqU0e_nUb8IF2TSZ4NL_99QNwPnBcu_W3QJmYC- > KLtFiorKgDr17lR9hGkd9E8uS37zNvnntDiCW2ok5vjSqspvtgdO0q- > nbHi9GqQsGph1UTYywneQxaHKLfFibud7fEgBCWDU6Fx74amSHmf0ywDUQGO > gEN/http%3A%2F%2Faccessinghigherground.org%2F>* in > > Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. 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When I run a site that has the google search code on it, through a couple of tools I find the following: * WAVE points out the layout table used in the search area as a point of consideration. * SiteImprove calls out the fact that styling is in the HTML rather than CSS (Presentational Attributes Used, 1.3.1 Info and Relationships). * Nu Html Checker has some errors and warnings, but none that relate to the HTML usability/accessibility of the search feature. I practice, I can navigate and search with the keyboard-only and I can navigate and search using the JAWS screen reading program and Internet Explorer. In the website above example, I'm more concerned about the uncommon way the menus are announced by JAWS. In the grand scheme of things, my inclination is that while the Google Custom Search may have at least one WCAG deficiency (1.3.1), it's operable, doesn't seem to present any barriers, and is probably fairly common for users to encounter on the internet, so I wouldn't necessarily spend a ton of resources insisting a third party vendor implement a different search tool in this instance. Am I missing something? -Mary Mary Heid, CPACC Enrollment Services System Administrator and Coordinator of Assistive Technology University of Nevada, Reno (775) 682-8038 https://www.unr.edu/accessibility [CPACC Logo] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am sure this won't be my last "2 cents" and hopefully I will see you at CAPED in the future. https://laccd.csod.com/ats/careersite/JobDetails.aspx?site=6 &id=337 Best Regards, Randy Anderson, Ed.D. Dean of Student Services - Special Programs Los Angeles City College (323) 953-4000, Ext. 2280 andersr@lacitycollege.edu http://www.lattc.edu/lattc/casas/images/LACC_Logo.gif -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 3088 bytes Desc: not available URL: From anitase at microsoft.com Tue Dec 5 19:58:39 2017 From: anitase at microsoft.com (Anita Mortaloni) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Agenda for 12/13 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting Message-ID: Hi ATHEN, Sharing out the agenda for the upcoming ATHEN meeting next week (Wednesday 12/13 at 9am). In addition you will find details on the Commenting features in WXP that we would like feedback on. If you have additional items that you would like to discuss, send them prior to the meeting to add them to the agenda. Talk to you all next week! Anita Mortaloni Agenda for 12/13 ATHEN-Microsoft Meeting * Feedback requests * Comments feature in WXP across mobile, Win32, Mac & web. Details below - @Kathleen Cachel * Updates * Windows feedback (pending confirmation) * Bug updates * Review of feedback Mac Word scenarios - @Cathy Harley (this will be discussed after 9:30am) * Open Discussion Commenting Features in WXP Scenarios for feedback Contact: Kathleen Cachel, email: kacachel@microsoft.com Background The comment experience is currently being updated for Word, Excel, and PowerPoint across all the platforms (web, Win32, Mac, and mobile). Comments will all include the ability to reply and be edited. Comments will have a tree structure such that all comment threads are collapsed and then expanded. All comment threads will be in a list. A comment thread is composed of the parent comment and its replies. Each comment visually displays the author, timestamp, & comment body text. Each comment is a different tree item control inside the thread tree. We are hoping to get some feedback around the accessible names, control types, relationships, and focus order of this experience. Questions about commenting threads: Comments will be collapsed by default and can be expanded. Collapsed comments contain a preview of the parent comment, a preview of the most recent reply and a "view X more replies" button. * What information is a valuable to you when focus is on the entire collapsed comment thread? Expanded comments contain the parent comment and the replies. * What information is valuable to you when the focus is placed on an entire expanded comment thread? Questions about comments (parents or replies): Focus can also be placed on a single comment: a parent comment or any of its replies. * What information is valuable to you when the focus is placed on the parent comment in a thread? * What information is valuable to you when the focus is placed on a reply comment in a thread? Navigating through comment threads In collapsed cards: The up and down arrows go from one comment thread in the list to another comment thread. The right arrow expands the current comment thread and puts focus on the parent. In an expanded card: The up and down arrows go between the parent and replies within the thread. Right arrow goes through all the replies and when it is invoked after the last reply it collapses the current card and expands the next card putting focus on the parent. When the card is expanded a left arrow action collapses the current card and puts focus on the collapsed thread. This follows tree structure paradigms, does this feel like the right paradigm to you? Questions about the focus order in collapsed comment thread: A collapsed comment thread contains a snippet preview of the parent comment, a "view X more replies" button, a snippet preview of the latest reply, a "..." (more actions) menu which contains an option to delete the thread, and a reply box so the thread can be directly replied to. Our current focus order (using tab) is: 1. Comment thread 2. "View X more replies" button 3. The ... (more actions) menu (which contains delete and resolve thread) * Related, any suggestions on the accessible name for this menu? 4. The reply box Does this feel relevant and make sense to you? Is there anything we can improve on? Questions about the focus order in an expanded comment thread : An expanded comment thread contains the parent comment, and all the replies. On the parent item is a "..." 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If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown above and delete all copies of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that you are not authorized to open, read, print, retain, copy , or disseminate this message or any part of it and may be illegal. Thank you. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Anita Mortaloni Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 10:59 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Cc: Kathleen Cachel ; Cathy Harley ; OfficeA11yATHENCollaboration ; Jeff Petty ; Anita Mortaloni , Mariah Moon (DUNN) Subject: [Athen] Agenda for 12/13 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting Hi ATHEN, Sharing out the agenda for the upcoming ATHEN meeting next week (Wednesday 12/13 at 9am). In addition you will find details on the Commenting features in WXP that we would like feedback on. If you have additional items that you would like to discuss, send them prior to the meeting to add them to the agenda. Talk to you all next week! Anita Mortaloni Agenda for 12/13 ATHEN-Microsoft Meeting - Feedback requests o Comments feature in WXP across mobile, Win32, Mac & web. Details below - @Kathleen Cachel - Updates o Windows feedback (pending confirmation) o Bug updates o Review of feedback Mac Word scenarios - @Cathy Harley (this will be discussed after 9:30am) - Open Discussion Commenting Features in WXP Scenarios for feedback Contact: Kathleen Cachel, email: kacachel@microsoft.com Background The comment experience is currently being updated for Word, Excel, and PowerPoint across all the platforms (web, Win32, Mac, and mobile). Comments will all include the ability to reply and be edited. Comments will have a tree structure such that all comment threads are collapsed and then expanded. All comment threads will be in a list. A comment thread is composed of the parent comment and its replies. Each comment visually displays the author, timestamp, & comment body text. Each comment is a different tree item control inside the thread tree. We are hoping to get some feedback around the accessible names, control types, relationships, and focus order of this experience. Questions about commenting threads: Comments will be collapsed by default and can be expanded. Collapsed comments contain a preview of the parent comment, a preview of the most recent reply and a "view X more replies" button. * What information is a valuable to you when focus is on the entire collapsed comment thread? Expanded comments contain the parent comment and the replies. * What information is valuable to you when the focus is placed on an entire expanded comment thread? Questions about comments (parents or replies): Focus can also be placed on a single comment: a parent comment or any of its replies. * What information is valuable to you when the focus is placed on the parent comment in a thread? * What information is valuable to you when the focus is placed on a reply comment in a thread? Navigating through comment threads In collapsed cards: The up and down arrows go from one comment thread in the list to another comment thread. The right arrow expands the current comment thread and puts focus on the parent. In an expanded card: The up and down arrows go between the parent and replies within the thread. Right arrow goes through all the replies and when it is invoked after the last reply it collapses the current card and expands the next card putting focus on the parent. When the card is expanded a left arrow action collapses the current card and puts focus on the collapsed thread. This follows tree structure paradigms, does this feel like the right paradigm to you? Questions about the focus order in collapsed comment thread: A collapsed comment thread contains a snippet preview of the parent comment, a "view X more replies" button, a snippet preview of the latest reply, a "..." (more actions) menu which contains an option to delete the thread, and a reply box so the thread can be directly replied to. Our current focus order (using tab) is: 1. Comment thread 2. "View X more replies" button 3. The ... (more actions) menu (which contains delete and resolve thread) a. Related, any suggestions on the accessible name for this menu? 4. The reply box Does this feel relevant and make sense to you? Is there anything we can improve on? Questions about the focus order in an expanded comment thread : An expanded comment thread contains the parent comment, and all the replies. On the parent item is a "..." (more actions) menu which contains a delete thread and resolve thread option. At the bottom of the card is a reply box. When the card is expanded, focus is automatically put on the parent comment. A user can up/down arrow to the reply comments in the thread. Tabbing away from a parent or reply comment retains selection so shift tab will put focus back on the reply or parent comment that was selected. Our current focus order (using tab) is: 1. The parent comment or a reply comment (whatever is selected in the thread) 2. The "..." (more actions) menu which contains delete and resolve thread 3. The "Edit" button for the parent or reply comment 4. The "delete" button if selection is on a reply comment Does this feel right to you? Do you have enough context for which comment will be edited or deleted when you would invoke the button? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aswans15 at msudenver.edu Wed Dec 6 08:42:45 2017 From: aswans15 at msudenver.edu (Swanson, Andrew) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Howard Kramer) Message-ID: I noticed if you do a registry edit and then you update the computer, it resets your reg edit. The best thing you can do, which you may not to be able to on a work comp, is to disable the updates. A quick google search on "how to disable windows 10 updates" should yield results. Also it helps to unpin everything from the start menu by right clicking on the item you want to remove. You can also remove the Cortana task bar by right clicking on it and changing it to hidden. You can remove the Action Center notifications as well by going to Settings > System > Notifications & Actions and clicking "Turn System Icons On or Off". Andrew S.J. Swanson Accessibility Technology Specialist Access Center Plaza 122 Metropolitan State University of Denver aswans15@msudenver.edu Phone#303-615-0200 Fax#303-556-6852 This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to start all over again. Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. -Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. From greeark at uw.edu Wed Dec 6 08:49:24 2017 From: greeark at uw.edu (Krista Greear) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Ally feedback from ITACCESS and ATHEN listservs Message-ID: Attached are recent MS Outlook emails from 2 listservs, discussing Ally on campuses. KRISTA GREEAR Assistant Director Disability Resources for Students 011 Mary Gates Hall Box 352808 Seattle, WA 98195-2808 Direct: 206.221.4136 / Main: 206.543.8924 greeark@uw.edu/ http://disability.uw.edu [cid:image001.gif@01D33387.742D8C60] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Berger, Eileen Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 7:14 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Cc: Kathleen Cachel ; Cathy Harley ; DUNN ; Mariah@u.washington.edu; Jeff Petty ; OfficeA11yATHENCollaboration Subject: Re: [Athen] Agenda for 12/13 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting Does anyone have information about ALLY a software web complince program...does it do what you need for access to course platforms/compliance? Eileen Eileen Connell Berger Access and Disability Services Administrator Assistant Director Office of Student Affairs Harvard Graduate School of Education Gutman 124 A&B 6 Appian Way, Cambridge, MA 02138 ads@gse.harvard.edu 617 495 9608 617 4968024 FAX Preferred Gender Pronouns: she, her, hers CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail and any of its attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient. It may contain information that is proprietary, privileged, confidential, or otherwise legally exempt from disclosure. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by e-mail at the address shown above and delete all copies of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that you are not authorized to open, read, print, retain, copy , or disseminate this message or any part of it and may be illegal. Thank you. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Anita Mortaloni Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 10:59 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Cc: Kathleen Cachel >; Cathy Harley >; OfficeA11yATHENCollaboration >; Jeff Petty >; Anita Mortaloni >, Mariah Moon (DUNN) > Subject: [Athen] Agenda for 12/13 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting Hi ATHEN, Sharing out the agenda for the upcoming ATHEN meeting next week (Wednesday 12/13 at 9am). In addition you will find details on the Commenting features in WXP that we would like feedback on. If you have additional items that you would like to discuss, send them prior to the meeting to add them to the agenda. Talk to you all next week! Anita Mortaloni Agenda for 12/13 ATHEN-Microsoft Meeting - Feedback requests o Comments feature in WXP across mobile, Win32, Mac & web. Details below - @Kathleen Cachel - Updates o Windows feedback (pending confirmation) o Bug updates o Review of feedback Mac Word scenarios - @Cathy Harley (this will be discussed after 9:30am) - Open Discussion Commenting Features in WXP Scenarios for feedback Contact: Kathleen Cachel, email: kacachel@microsoft.com Background The comment experience is currently being updated for Word, Excel, and PowerPoint across all the platforms (web, Win32, Mac, and mobile). Comments will all include the ability to reply and be edited. Comments will have a tree structure such that all comment threads are collapsed and then expanded. All comment threads will be in a list. A comment thread is composed of the parent comment and its replies. Each comment visually displays the author, timestamp, & comment body text. Each comment is a different tree item control inside the thread tree. We are hoping to get some feedback around the accessible names, control types, relationships, and focus order of this experience. Questions about commenting threads: Comments will be collapsed by default and can be expanded. Collapsed comments contain a preview of the parent comment, a preview of the most recent reply and a "view X more replies" button. * What information is a valuable to you when focus is on the entire collapsed comment thread? Expanded comments contain the parent comment and the replies. * What information is valuable to you when the focus is placed on an entire expanded comment thread? Questions about comments (parents or replies): Focus can also be placed on a single comment: a parent comment or any of its replies. * What information is valuable to you when the focus is placed on the parent comment in a thread? * What information is valuable to you when the focus is placed on a reply comment in a thread? Navigating through comment threads In collapsed cards: The up and down arrows go from one comment thread in the list to another comment thread. The right arrow expands the current comment thread and puts focus on the parent. In an expanded card: The up and down arrows go between the parent and replies within the thread. Right arrow goes through all the replies and when it is invoked after the last reply it collapses the current card and expands the next card putting focus on the parent. When the card is expanded a left arrow action collapses the current card and puts focus on the collapsed thread. This follows tree structure paradigms, does this feel like the right paradigm to you? Questions about the focus order in collapsed comment thread: A collapsed comment thread contains a snippet preview of the parent comment, a "view X more replies" button, a snippet preview of the latest reply, a "..." (more actions) menu which contains an option to delete the thread, and a reply box so the thread can be directly replied to. Our current focus order (using tab) is: 1. Comment thread 2. "View X more replies" button 3. The ... (more actions) menu (which contains delete and resolve thread) a. Related, any suggestions on the accessible name for this menu? 4. The reply box Does this feel relevant and make sense to you? Is there anything we can improve on? Questions about the focus order in an expanded comment thread : An expanded comment thread contains the parent comment, and all the replies. On the parent item is a "..." (more actions) menu which contains a delete thread and resolve thread option. At the bottom of the card is a reply box. When the card is expanded, focus is automatically put on the parent comment. A user can up/down arrow to the reply comments in the thread. Tabbing away from a parent or reply comment retains selection so shift tab will put focus back on the reply or parent comment that was selected. Our current focus order (using tab) is: 1. The parent comment or a reply comment (whatever is selected in the thread) 2. The "..." (more actions) menu which contains delete and resolve thread 3. The "Edit" button for the parent or reply comment 4. The "delete" button if selection is on a reply comment Does this feel right to you? Do you have enough context for which comment will be edited or deleted when you would invoke the button? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 1303 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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From: "Rovner, Amy" Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 16:25:12 +0000 Size: 20371 URL: From dhayman at uw.edu Wed Dec 6 09:44:12 2017 From: dhayman at uw.edu (Doug Hayman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Howard Kramer) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I found that Windows 10 appears to have a setting to pause updates for "up to 35 days" by clicking Start button >>Settings icon>>Update & Security>>Update Settings>>Advanced Options>>Pause Updates The most recent update fail I watched was a person using a screenreader doing a presentation which was promptly halted by him saying "What happened to my screenreader?" while the audience saw the projected presentation change to the "Please wait....installing updates." screen. Haven't tried the pause option yet. Have seen some of the updates take hours. Start them running, go to lunch and come back to see it still hasn't completed. That just doesn't work for most users. Over the years it seems like every other operating system is a failure: 98-good ME-horrible XP-good Vista-terrible 7-good 8.x-horrible 10-um, needs improvement On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Swanson, Andrew wrote: > I noticed if you do a registry edit and then you update the computer, it > resets your reg edit. The best thing you can do, which you may not to be > able to on a work comp, is to disable the updates. A quick google search on > "how to disable windows 10 updates" should yield results. > > Also it helps to unpin everything from the start menu by right clicking on > the item you want to remove. > > You can also remove the Cortana task bar by right clicking on it and > changing it to hidden. > > You can remove the Action Center notifications as well by going to > Settings > System > Notifications & Actions and clicking "Turn System Icons > On or Off". > > Andrew S.J. Swanson > Accessibility Technology Specialist > Access Center > Plaza 122 > Metropolitan State University of Denver > aswans15@msudenver.edu > Phone#303-615-0200 > Fax#303-556-6852 > > This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you > are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by > reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > On Behalf Of Howard Kramer > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:02 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > > Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's > a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are > continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to > a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest > driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and > then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to > start all over again. > > Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the > registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so > frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S > until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about > 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. > > -Howard > > > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 > cell: 720-351-8668 > > > Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference accessinghigherground.org/> in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. > Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! > And the Technology Access Series virtual-learning/at_webinars_15_16>. Site capacities for all webinar > events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the > largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now.< > http://ahead.org/join/become-a-member> > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Doug Hayman w.edu> Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Wed Dec 6 10:15:03 2017 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (Chagnon | PubCom) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Howard Kramer) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004001d36ebe$232b53c0$6981fb40$@pubcom.com> In previous versions of Win 10, I was able to remove (uninstall) Edge completely from our computers. Now, that has been disabled and I?m stuck with Edge even though I don?t use it. Still believe this is an anit-trust issue that should be reported to the Federal Trade Commission (the OS can?t force us to use its browser). It?s also an ADA issue that should be reported to DOJ?s ADA office because Edge is not fully accessible. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon www.PubCom.com | Technologists for Accessible Design and Publishing print ? digital ? web ? documents ? pdfs ? epubs consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon is a US delegate (ANSI) to the ISO for PDF and PDF/UA standards From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Doug Hayman Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 12:44 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Howard Kramer) I found that Windows 10 appears to have a setting to pause updates for "up to 35 days" by clicking Start button >>Settings icon>>Update & Security>>Update Settings>>Advanced Options>>Pause Updates The most recent update fail I watched was a person using a screenreader doing a presentation which was promptly halted by him saying "What happened to my screenreader?" while the audience saw the projected presentation change to the "Please wait....installing updates." screen. Haven't tried the pause option yet. Have seen some of the updates take hours. Start them running, go to lunch and come back to see it still hasn't completed. That just doesn't work for most users. Over the years it seems like every other operating system is a failure: 98-good ME-horrible XP-good Vista-terrible 7-good 8.x-horrible 10-um, needs improvement On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Swanson, Andrew > wrote: I noticed if you do a registry edit and then you update the computer, it resets your reg edit. The best thing you can do, which you may not to be able to on a work comp, is to disable the updates. A quick google search on "how to disable windows 10 updates" should yield results. Also it helps to unpin everything from the start menu by right clicking on the item you want to remove. You can also remove the Cortana task bar by right clicking on it and changing it to hidden. You can remove the Action Center notifications as well by going to Settings > System > Notifications & Actions and clicking "Turn System Icons On or Off". Andrew S.J. Swanson Accessibility Technology Specialist Access Center Plaza 122 Metropolitan State University of Denver aswans15@msudenver.edu Phone#303-615-0200 Fax#303-556-6852 This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu ] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to start all over again. Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. -Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Doug Hayman w.edu > Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Wed Dec 6 12:18:12 2017 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Howard Kramer) In-Reply-To: <004001d36ebe$232b53c0$6981fb40$@pubcom.com> References: <004001d36ebe$232b53c0$6981fb40$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: Hello: Edge is included in Windows, but you are not forced to use it. Internet Explorer has been included with Windows for years prior to Win 10. You can set another browser as your default in Settings. The browser is accessible and becomes even more so with each release of Edge and the screen readers. There were some very major under-the-hood changes, so everything had to be optimized to work with it. Personally, I am not an Edge user and do not plan on being one. But let's not shut something down that is A) being improved and B) provides individuals with disabilities with another choice. Robert On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Chagnon | PubCom wrote: > In previous versions of Win 10, I was able to remove (uninstall) Edge > completely from our computers. > > Now, that has been disabled and I?m stuck with Edge even though I don?t > use it. > > > > Still believe this is an anit-trust issue that should be reported to the > Federal Trade Commission (the OS can?t force us to use its browser). It?s > also an ADA issue that should be reported to DOJ?s ADA office because Edge > is not fully accessible. > > > > ?Bevi Chagnon > > > > ? ? ? > > *Bevi Chagnon* > > www.*PubCom*.com | *Technologists for Accessible Design and Publishing* > > print ? digital ? web ? documents ? pdfs ? epubs > > consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services > > ? ? ? > > Bevi Chagnon is a US delegate (ANSI) to the ISO for PDF and PDF/UA > standards > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Doug Hayman > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 6, 2017 12:44 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Howard > Kramer) > > > > I found that Windows 10 appears to have a setting to pause updates for "up > to 35 days" by clicking > > > > Start button >>Settings icon>>Update & Security>>Update Settings>>Advanced > Options>>Pause Updates > > > > The most recent update fail I watched was a person using a screenreader > doing a presentation which was promptly halted by him saying "What happened > to my screenreader?" while the audience saw the projected presentation > change to the "Please wait....installing updates." screen. > > > > Haven't tried the pause option yet. Have seen some of the updates take > hours. Start them running, go to lunch and come back to see it still > hasn't completed. That just doesn't work for most users. > > > > Over the years it seems like every other operating system is a failure: > > > > 98-good > > ME-horrible > > XP-good > > Vista-terrible > > 7-good > > 8.x-horrible > > 10-um, needs improvement > > > > On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Swanson, Andrew > wrote: > > I noticed if you do a registry edit and then you update the computer, it > resets your reg edit. The best thing you can do, which you may not to be > able to on a work comp, is to disable the updates. A quick google search on > "how to disable windows 10 updates" should yield results. > > Also it helps to unpin everything from the start menu by right clicking on > the item you want to remove. > > You can also remove the Cortana task bar by right clicking on it and > changing it to hidden. > > You can remove the Action Center notifications as well by going to > Settings > System > Notifications & Actions and clicking "Turn System Icons > On or Off". > > Andrew S.J. Swanson > Accessibility Technology Specialist > Access Center > Plaza 122 > Metropolitan State University of Denver > aswans15@msudenver.edu > Phone#303-615-0200 > Fax#303-556-6852 > > This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you > are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by > reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. > > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] > On Behalf Of Howard Kramer > Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:02 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > > Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's > a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are > continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to > a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest > driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and > then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to > start all over again. > > Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the > registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so > frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S > until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about > 5%. 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Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsuttondc at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 12:21:09 2017 From: jsuttondc at gmail.com (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Howard Kramer) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4db66a33-6234-b185-5054-d948205c8024@gmail.com> Doug and other ATHENites: Doug, thank you for these specific instructions. They happen to be especially timely for me. For those of you who may use VPNs, you may need to be especially careful about Windows 10 updates. Without boring everyone unduly, I've found that unexpected updates can cause VPN fragility. And it's not fun! Best, Jennifer On 12/6/2017 9:44 AM, Doug Hayman wrote: > I found that Windows 10 appears to have a setting to pause updates for > "up to 35 days" by clicking > > Start button >>Settings icon>>Update & Security>>Update > Settings>>Advanced Options>>Pause Updates > > > From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Thu Dec 7 08:34:37 2017 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] question Jaws reading math Message-ID: Hi all. I should know this, but the last five years, I've had students using NVDA to read math, so I'm very very rusty in this area. We are creating word files using Mathtype, and publishing them to Mathpage. The student indicates that the files aren't working - the math isn't being read. He has mathplayer installed. I believe he also needs MathType, is that correct? Is there anything else he needs to have installed to make this work? Is MathJax a requirement? He's using Windows 10, so needs to use Firefox or Chrome browsers, I assume. Also, exactly WHAT files from that Mathpage output do I send him? There is the file.htm, and then a folder full of the additional files (images and some xml files). I keep thinking these two things are not talking to each other, if they need to. A good step-by-step process for how we need to save these files on our end, and more info on how the student should be accessing them, would be helpful. Accessible math is somewhat new to him, and I don't know if it is error his end, or error on our end, or missing software on his end. Thanks in advance for any and all assistance. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.noble at louisville.edu Thu Dec 7 09:17:02 2017 From: steve.noble at louisville.edu (Noble,Stephen L.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] question Jaws reading math In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was on a call several weeks back with the JAWS developers at FS, and they do home to eventually support native reading of math expressions inside a Word document...but they aren't there yet. But NVDA does work, and Window-Eyes used to work...and still may. As far as reading math expressions in an HTML page, using either HTML5+MathML or HTML+MathJax as the MathPage export *should* result in a file that can be read by JAWS. Using HTML+MathJax is probably best if you don't know what browser the student is going to use. JAWS doesn't require MathPlayer or MathType to read math from an HTML file. According to their website, it should work in either Firefox or Internet Explorer: http://www.freedomscientific.com/JAWSHQ/JAWSHeadquarters01 That probably means it *doesn't* work with Microsoft Edge in Windows 10...you'll need to see if you can install IE11. Also the newest Firefox is causing problems with JAWS, so for now you'll probably have to switch to Firefox ESR: http://blog.freedomscientific.com/2017/10/25/important-information-for-users-of-mozilla-firefox/ Hope that helps! --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:34 AM To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] question Jaws reading math Hi all. I should know this, but the last five years, I?ve had students using NVDA to read math, so I?m very very rusty in this area. We are creating word files using Mathtype, and publishing them to Mathpage. The student indicates that the files aren?t working ? the math isn?t being read. He has mathplayer installed. I believe he also needs MathType, is that correct? Is there anything else he needs to have installed to make this work? Is MathJax a requirement? He?s using Windows 10, so needs to use Firefox or Chrome browsers, I assume. Also, exactly WHAT files from that Mathpage output do I send him? There is the file.htm, and then a folder full of the additional files (images and some xml files). I keep thinking these two things are not talking to each other, if they need to. A good step-by-step process for how we need to save these files on our end, and more info on how the student should be accessing them, would be helpful. Accessible math is somewhat new to him, and I don?t know if it is error his end, or error on our end, or missing software on his end. Thanks in advance for any and all assistance. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Thu Dec 7 09:22:05 2017 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Thursday funny Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E22D674@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Okay, I just saw this in a meeting and thought I'd share. Alexa Silver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvT_gqs5ETk Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Thu Dec 7 09:39:00 2017 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] question Jaws reading math In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, how would I create an html5 page from the MathML output I'm getting from Word and MathType? Is there a different setting I should be using to publish those MathTyped files and I am missing? I've been getting my info from Design Science but as we know, the haven't updated in a long time. This is definitely not my area of expertise, and the student is clueless. He is refusing to use NVDA because he can't make it read expressions character by character. And we need to figure out a way to make this work. -Susan -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L. Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:17 AM To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math I was on a call several weeks back with the JAWS developers at FS, and they do home to eventually support native reading of math expressions inside a Word document...but they aren't there yet. But NVDA does work, and Window-Eyes used to work...and still may. As far as reading math expressions in an HTML page, using either HTML5+MathML or HTML+MathJax as the MathPage export *should* result in a file that can be read by JAWS. Using HTML+MathJax is probably best if you don't know what browser the student is going to use. JAWS doesn't require MathPlayer or MathType to read math from an HTML file. According to their website, it should work in either Firefox or Internet Explorer: http://www.freedomscientific.com/JAWSHQ/JAWSHeadquarters01 That probably means it *doesn't* work with Microsoft Edge in Windows 10...you'll need to see if you can install IE11. Also the newest Firefox is causing problems with JAWS, so for now you'll probably have to switch to Firefox ESR: http://blog.freedomscientific.com/2017/10/25/important-information-for-users-of-mozilla-firefox/ Hope that helps! --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:34 AM To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] question Jaws reading math Hi all. I should know this, but the last five years, I've had students using NVDA to read math, so I'm very very rusty in this area. We are creating word files using Mathtype, and publishing them to Mathpage. The student indicates that the files aren't working - the math isn't being read. He has mathplayer installed. I believe he also needs MathType, is that correct? Is there anything else he needs to have installed to make this work? Is MathJax a requirement? He's using Windows 10, so needs to use Firefox or Chrome browsers, I assume. Also, exactly WHAT files from that Mathpage output do I send him? There is the file.htm, and then a folder full of the additional files (images and some xml files). I keep thinking these two things are not talking to each other, if they need to. A good step-by-step process for how we need to save these files on our end, and more info on how the student should be accessing them, would be helpful. Accessible math is somewhat new to him, and I don't know if it is error his end, or error on our end, or missing software on his end. Thanks in advance for any and all assistance. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From lorilane at illinois.edu Thu Dec 7 09:46:59 2017 From: lorilane at illinois.edu (Lane, Lori) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Thursday funny In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E22D674@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E22D674@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <48C441EDE17CEB4DBBFF2545E3E068513458AB17@CITESMBX1.ad.uillinois.edu> Robert - This had me laughing so hard! We will be exchanging for Alexa Silver for our folks for Christmas. :) Thanks for sharing! Lori From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:22 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Thursday funny Okay, I just saw this in a meeting and thought I'd share. Alexa Silver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvT_gqs5ETk Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.noble at louisville.edu Thu Dec 7 09:52:01 2017 From: steve.noble at louisville.edu (Noble,Stephen L.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] question Jaws reading math In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Susan, The HTML5+MathML flavor will show up on the list of choices when the "MathML using..." drop down list is active in the MathPage dialog. If you don't see it, you must have an old version of MathType. You might want to consider updating. However, you ought to still have the MathML+MathJax option, unless you have a really old version. If you don't have that either, then try the XHTML+MathML option. That should work in Firefox ESR with JAWS. --Steve ________________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:39 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math Steve, how would I create an html5 page from the MathML output I'm getting from Word and MathType? Is there a different setting I should be using to publish those MathTyped files and I am missing? I've been getting my info from Design Science but as we know, the haven't updated in a long time. This is definitely not my area of expertise, and the student is clueless. He is refusing to use NVDA because he can't make it read expressions character by character. And we need to figure out a way to make this work. -Susan -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L. Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:17 AM To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math I was on a call several weeks back with the JAWS developers at FS, and they do home to eventually support native reading of math expressions inside a Word document...but they aren't there yet. But NVDA does work, and Window-Eyes used to work...and still may. As far as reading math expressions in an HTML page, using either HTML5+MathML or HTML+MathJax as the MathPage export *should* result in a file that can be read by JAWS. Using HTML+MathJax is probably best if you don't know what browser the student is going to use. JAWS doesn't require MathPlayer or MathType to read math from an HTML file. According to their website, it should work in either Firefox or Internet Explorer: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.freedomscientific.com_JAWSHQ_JAWSHeadquarters01&d=DwICAg&c=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu-smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0&s=fGHRYK8ZL7bWjmfGJbt0CZE_GINM3QO54xpi6gwLzQw&e= That probably means it *doesn't* work with Microsoft Edge in Windows 10...you'll need to see if you can install IE11. Also the newest Firefox is causing problems with JAWS, so for now you'll probably have to switch to Firefox ESR: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__blog.freedomscientific.com_2017_10_25_important-2Dinformation-2Dfor-2Dusers-2Dof-2Dmozilla-2Dfirefox_&d=DwICAg&c=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu-smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0&s=xAgR6axcX_Gxm8KmTtzX45rfDE4UDsHXSQYgNCkeQtA&e= Hope that helps! --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__louisville.academia.edu_SteveNoble&d=DwICAg&c=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu-smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0&s=s0SShc2wSyvZFv_r0cKfDcJrD1Og6F5CiHZrmd4vs0s&e= ________________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:34 AM To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] question Jaws reading math Hi all. I should know this, but the last five years, I've had students using NVDA to read math, so I'm very very rusty in this area. We are creating word files using Mathtype, and publishing them to Mathpage. The student indicates that the files aren't working - the math isn't being read. He has mathplayer installed. I believe he also needs MathType, is that correct? Is there anything else he needs to have installed to make this work? Is MathJax a requirement? He's using Windows 10, so needs to use Firefox or Chrome browsers, I assume. Also, exactly WHAT files from that Mathpage output do I send him? There is the file.htm, and then a folder full of the additional files (images and some xml files). I keep thinking these two things are not talking to each other, if they need to. A good step-by-step process for how we need to save these files on our end, and more info on how the student should be accessing them, would be helpful. Accessible math is somewhat new to him, and I don't know if it is error his end, or error on our end, or missing software on his end. Thanks in advance for any and all assistance. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=DwICAg&c=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu-smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0&s=Y5sFv3l_bJNZ0ky_OvfYRr2I0BbcdkSAJPOvgnSlfao&e= _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=DwICAg&c=OAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY&r=67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4&m=6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu-smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0&s=Y5sFv3l_bJNZ0ky_OvfYRr2I0BbcdkSAJPOvgnSlfao&e= From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Thu Dec 7 10:01:43 2017 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] question Jaws reading math In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: We have MathType 6.9b, so the latest (as far as I know). We don't have an html5 option, and I've been using the Math + MathJax. Will try xhtml + mathML option and see if that output reads better. Thanks for the input. Any other advice, please share! -Susan -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L. Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math Hi Susan, The HTML5+MathML flavor will show up on the list of choices when the "MathML using..." drop down list is active in the MathPage dialog. If you don't see it, you must have an old version of MathType. You might want to consider updating. However, you ought to still have the MathML+MathJax option, unless you have a really old version. If you don't have that either, then try the XHTML+MathML option. That should work in Firefox ESR with JAWS. --Steve ________________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:39 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math Steve, how would I create an html5 page from the MathML output I'm getting from Word and MathType? Is there a different setting I should be using to publish those MathTyped files and I am missing? I've been getting my info from Design Science but as we know, the haven't updated in a long time. This is definitely not my area of expertise, and the student is clueless. He is refusing to use NVDA because he can't make it read expressions character by character. And we need to figure out a way to make this work. -Susan -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L. Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:17 AM To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math I was on a call several weeks back with the JAWS developers at FS, and they do home to eventually support native reading of math expressions inside a Word document...but they aren't there yet. But NVDA does work, and Window-Eyes used to work...and still may. As far as reading math expressions in an HTML page, using either HTML5+MathML or HTML+MathJax as the MathPage export *should* result in a file that can be read by JAWS. Using HTML+MathJax is probably best if you don't know what browser the student is going to use. JAWS doesn't require MathPlayer or MathType to read math from an HTML file. According to their website, it should work in either Firefox or Internet Explorer: https://secure-web.cisco.com/11QFAcKPxJOZKP5oRVWmE3_fcNq_7Sevt-Iik5KMcdEzSNA171-SZN2kp10PZMXktuOdfD3r3_WA3vi0KyWmymLUWArZcpgPQg2b1ATO_emz_mX4WcIiYeoA2OvuvJ3uUwKiE7hN-k2fZF2Vd49AGwO69ae2Iypzpt1Oem9LN8IAwG6nAPOLU0xTTDuO31PPDC4F9sv9e6c7aIFf0gOU9oL6thmkhIB_Jul-YWfCktVdvq5Ke8IH_uXqaTnAprYly6BU5w82kPdVoO7VOOz5KWy8WFNOY2ndXSxGQyjsqS0Ck0tdweEEstK1Aa7gqeiWmbWC9rdQrAfksMALOIkrbAoTNNfQGP2JHciglEDcCPmbPlYE3G_iapi3NMH8_jSAUMAJxc2WJIchQD8ZOk7DqKK-oQX0jfyR1YFi5Qbblxf7Okx9qQ7X5VZpf56m11k8ydVipjcM3htEd8K5YJJT2RQ/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__www.freedomscientific.com_JAWSHQ_JAWSHeadquarters01%26d%3DDwICAg%26c%3DOAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY%26r%3D67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4%26m%3D6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu-smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0%26s%3DfGHRYK8ZL7bWjmfGJbt0CZE_GINM3QO54xpi6gwLzQw%26e%3D That probably means it *doesn't* work with Microsoft Edge in Windows 10...you'll need to see if you can install IE11. Also the newest Firefox is causing problems with JAWS, so for now you'll probably have to switch to Firefox ESR: https://secure-web.cisco.com/1WIUL71-1k3z4EH0nebJmlBoDW7dG98iwQb2q1hVlIJJu43CHzdkSIuSEB4vrwtC1h_l7nt9_aRbGCXGkkkCkO96PT8T5jefnNZuiLGOt1_Qrlg_MJLvMpcD7pQ8o7I9P029ucb-TfnWOcpBPQ16PaHxQDE_1fFqC8xYhGDorcqfzl6N28647M_v4DnzWoCZTIbvBvbUImLBGnjKMosCfcjeG5zqbdA0xQiEh5JrlOZJh-PGskVYf7elebM7QJd2S4p00SVQVCanNd9lRMIwQn7fQcjWnkEIzCjuRXwTyCKR0RPkPx5kBxwpMY2TxRcKa8MoGpPahv5rymL9IyGLIXCYVVQlDn_4oQt3fVZTSU4Y3f9cpfG5N4Vd7JjKD5E_bkmQrSpZJ7BhoP-q9c20opsdP1ugIcFp6U-MoFbAWF5jj_UEl6Txbo7mkwyXQfWOzxPV5IN4-fuT7Sd50j6mytg/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__blog.freedomscientific.com_2017_10_25_important-2Dinformation-2Dfor-2Dusers-2Dof-2Dmozilla-2Dfirefox_%26d%3DDwICAg%26c%3DOAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY%26r%3D67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4%26m%3D6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu-smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0%26s%3DxAgR6axcX_Gxm8KmTtzX45rfDE4UDsHXSQYgNCkeQtA%26e%3D Hope that helps! --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 https://secure-web.cisco.com/1K8Ce9_HmlEfJw14em0VASlfb1lxwGNI6Ck6FZ2_-GZsakznnSNu86ivxAL9l5dJlqnndkMQUZBJ4WpLFUskyzIY4y08ZQbMz-hZPtq4FKzb-WsE36PY6JIKcQvzyTYwXwII4zIND4H7_9RFC5mtT34pLDRktGvTn0QaFmuKas6iKL0Hti036jvcsXjsLeUM9rqWAdKIMjfVqjYrJxx0eym90eEO8xURzV_x177kXO15DRPauu1ZlMWirH1IkO9fiT7XNL08Xvyc1ORUQ8TtRdBm6DpKUsqLkXYHfY1qnrBBWtBPi_vX6ZooEASeJRn3Qh_5De62VkfApXiYw_gFRQZ9qvE_Sz1_aTpame5hbeH6BOaEbqHj5WOHE8CubmbI-s2ERidCxoxsxPLvAfde9aDvwV6NTzUgNbPgi2Crcf6HZSEocUt539B-4DcJ1ba91iRIdIqiKK5B-QbOgHybPow/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__louisville.academia.edu_SteveNoble%26d%3DDwICAg%26c%3DOAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY%26r%3D67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4%26m%3D6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu-smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0%26s%3Ds0SShc2wSyvZFv_r0cKfDcJrD1Og6F5CiHZrmd4vs0s%26e%3D ________________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:34 AM To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] question Jaws reading math Hi all. I should know this, but the last five years, I've had students using NVDA to read math, so I'm very very rusty in this area. We are creating word files using Mathtype, and publishing them to Mathpage. The student indicates that the files aren't working - the math isn't being read. He has mathplayer installed. I believe he also needs MathType, is that correct? Is there anything else he needs to have installed to make this work? Is MathJax a requirement? He's using Windows 10, so needs to use Firefox or Chrome browsers, I assume. Also, exactly WHAT files from that Mathpage output do I send him? There is the file.htm, and then a folder full of the additional files (images and some xml files). I keep thinking these two things are not talking to each other, if they need to. A good step-by-step process for how we need to save these files on our end, and more info on how the student should be accessing them, would be helpful. Accessible math is somewhat new to him, and I don't know if it is error his end, or error on our end, or missing software on his end. Thanks in advance for any and all assistance. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://secure-web.cisco.com/12a-DHEMLD8P1xlF01Je0U1oYbBd9oNMwPzICGvrUb60B9W25nTdQ9V4wEZ-WeDylpVOpjjaqdV3R_LOIYvkrkIuuN-2g5xgq0K2Fb5dUDx0n9N45C4MqZGUx7__77tZeejuzk8BYLkRu1Nbpg9JJqB9ZmhRzYx0eFQ1sKpyJuP0hN8nxAJoTS6bPup30C9-zD8OOHt074SRHIJtZq4VQE-w6ZBeCFVy3l3_4ieJAvfUHozu7hSk0GSHFvwZceWRioND7iOTw7FuYpXatJwlFD1CsS64wc1FSOqH3VAHRvcXw4kQl0NdMHVKPDojwzck3wjiUCDZXvmZsrGxPqzNVVdYwABDlaUHka5sKDf6oXL_FyUYOZbRhAYXmZB_ZY5Pl47YY802P9vgDWfDminJIm1JgfergfKdn_lwCT6dns6X6d2IXMYTZbPu07GfMeiRz90qcXImbRA2t4MzEzOTZtQ/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist%26d%3DDwICAg%26c%3DOAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY%26r%3D67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4%26m%3D6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu-smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0%26s%3DY5sFv3l_bJNZ0ky_OvfYRr2I0BbcdkSAJPOvgnSlfao%26e%3D _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu https://secure-web.cisco.com/12a-DHEMLD8P1xlF01Je0U1oYbBd9oNMwPzICGvrUb60B9W25nTdQ9V4wEZ-WeDylpVOpjjaqdV3R_LOIYvkrkIuuN-2g5xgq0K2Fb5dUDx0n9N45C4MqZGUx7__77tZeejuzk8BYLkRu1Nbpg9JJqB9ZmhRzYx0eFQ1sKpyJuP0hN8nxAJoTS6bPup30C9-zD8OOHt074SRHIJtZq4VQE-w6ZBeCFVy3l3_4ieJAvfUHozu7hSk0GSHFvwZceWRioND7iOTw7FuYpXatJwlFD1CsS64wc1FSOqH3VAHRvcXw4kQl0NdMHVKPDojwzck3wjiUCDZXvmZsrGxPqzNVVdYwABDlaUHka5sKDf6oXL_FyUYOZbRhAYXmZB_ZY5Pl47YY802P9vgDWfDminJIm1JgfergfKdn_lwCT6dns6X6d2IXMYTZbPu07GfMeiRz90qcXImbRA2t4MzEzOTZtQ/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist%26d%3DDwICAg%26c%3DOAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY%26r%3D67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4%26m%3D6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu-smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0%26s%3DY5sFv3l_bJNZ0ky_OvfYRr2I0BbcdkSAJPOvgnSlfao%26e%3D _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From jpolizzotto at htctu.net Thu Dec 7 11:05:59 2017 From: jpolizzotto at htctu.net (Joseph Polizzotto) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] question Jaws reading math In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <005a01d36f8e$6b649770$422dc650$@htctu.net> Hi Susan, What version of JAWS is the student using? Do you have the default MathML targets for Publish as MathPage for MathType? They are these: HTML + MathJax XHTML + MATHJax XHTML+ MATHML MathPlayer (IE behavior) Multi-browser There is a registry file (Tech Note# 152) that you can download from Design Science that will give you these targets: HTML +MathML + MATHJax (new) HTML + MathML (new) XHTML+ MATHML MathPlayer (IE behavior) Multi-browser Here is a link to where you can download the registry file: http://www.dessci.com/en/support/mathtype/tsn/tsn152.htm If you are using the first set of targets, this has been my experience using JAWS (v. 18): - HTML + MathJax (1st target) + Google Chrome works best If you are using the second set of targets, this has been my experience using JAWS (v. 18): - HTML + MathML + MathJax (1st target) + Google Chrome works best Note: In the past I had been able to use HTML + MathML (2nd target) + Firefox using JAWS (v. 18) but I just tested with Firefox Quantum and this no longer seems to work. HTH, --- Joseph Polizzotto HTCTU Instructor 408-996-6044 www.htctu.net >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] >On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer >Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:02 AM >To: Access Technology Higher Education Network list@u.washington.edu> >Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math > >We have MathType 6.9b, so the latest (as far as I know). We don't have an >html5 option, and I've been using the Math + MathJax. Will try xhtml + >mathML option and see if that output reads better. > >Thanks for the input. Any other advice, please share! > >-Susan > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] >On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L. >Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:52 AM >To: Access Technology Higher Education Network list@u.washington.edu> >Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math > >Hi Susan, > >The HTML5+MathML flavor will show up on the list of choices when the >"MathML using..." drop down list is active in the MathPage dialog. If you don't >see it, you must have an old version of MathType. You might want to consider >updating. However, you ought to still have the MathML+MathJax option, >unless you have a really old version. If you don't have that either, then try the >XHTML+MathML option. That should work in Firefox ESR with JAWS. > >--Steve >________________________________________ >From: athen-list on >behalf of Susan Kelmer >Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:39 PM >To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math > >Steve, how would I create an html5 page from the MathML output I'm getting >from Word and MathType? Is there a different setting I should be using to >publish those MathTyped files and I am missing? I've been getting my info >from Design Science but as we know, the haven't updated in a long time. > >This is definitely not my area of expertise, and the student is clueless. He is >refusing to use NVDA because he can't make it read expressions character by >character. And we need to figure out a way to make this work. > >-Susan > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] >On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L. >Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:17 AM >To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Access Technology Higher Education >Network >Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math > >I was on a call several weeks back with the JAWS developers at FS, and they >do home to eventually support native reading of math expressions inside a >Word document...but they aren't there yet. But NVDA does work, and >Window-Eyes used to work...and still may. > >As far as reading math expressions in an HTML page, using either >HTML5+MathML or HTML+MathJax as the MathPage export *should* result >in a file that can be read by JAWS. Using HTML+MathJax is probably best if you >don't know what browser the student is going to use. JAWS doesn't require >MathPlayer or MathType to read math from an HTML file. According to their >website, it should work in either Firefox or Internet Explorer: >https://secure-web.cisco.com/11QFAcKPxJOZKP5oRVWmE3_fcNq_7Sevt- >Iik5KMcdEzSNA171- >SZN2kp10PZMXktuOdfD3r3_WA3vi0KyWmymLUWArZcpgPQg2b1ATO_emz_ >mX4WcIiYeoA2OvuvJ3uUwKiE7hN- >k2fZF2Vd49AGwO69ae2Iypzpt1Oem9LN8IAwG6nAPOLU0xTTDuO31PPDC4F9s >v9e6c7aIFf0gOU9oL6thmkhIB_Jul- >YWfCktVdvq5Ke8IH_uXqaTnAprYly6BU5w82kPdVoO7VOOz5KWy8WFNOY2nd >XSxGQyjsqS0Ck0tdweEEstK1Aa7gqeiWmbWC9rdQrAfksMALOIkrbAoTNNfQG >P2JHciglEDcCPmbPlYE3G_iapi3NMH8_jSAUMAJxc2WJIchQD8ZOk7DqKK- >oQX0jfyR1YFi5Qbblxf7Okx9qQ7X5VZpf56m11k8ydVipjcM3htEd8K5YJJT2RQ/ht >tps%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp- >3A__www.freedomscientific.com_JAWSHQ_JAWSHeadquarters01%26d%3DD >wICAg%26c%3DOAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS- >x4O_KuapPgY%26r%3D67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW >4%26m%3D6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu- >smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0%26s%3DfGHRYK8ZL7bWjmfGJbt0CZE_GINM3QO54xpi6gw >LzQw%26e%3D > >That probably means it *doesn't* work with Microsoft Edge in Windows >10...you'll need to see if you can install IE11. Also the newest Firefox is causing >problems with JAWS, so for now you'll probably have to switch to Firefox ESR: >https://secure-web.cisco.com/1WIUL71- >1k3z4EH0nebJmlBoDW7dG98iwQb2q1hVlIJJu43CHzdkSIuSEB4vrwtC1h_l7nt9_ >aRbGCXGkkkCkO96PT8T5jefnNZuiLGOt1_Qrlg_MJLvMpcD7pQ8o7I9P029ucb- >TfnWOcpBPQ16PaHxQDE_1fFqC8xYhGDorcqfzl6N28647M_v4DnzWoCZTIbvBv >bUImLBGnjKMosCfcjeG5zqbdA0xQiEh5JrlOZJh- >PGskVYf7elebM7QJd2S4p00SVQVCanNd9lRMIwQn7fQcjWnkEIzCjuRXwTyCKR >0RPkPx5kBxwpMY2TxRcKa8MoGpPahv5rymL9IyGLIXCYVVQlDn_4oQt3fVZTSU >4Y3f9cpfG5N4Vd7JjKD5E_bkmQrSpZJ7BhoP-q9c20opsdP1ugIcFp6U- >MoFbAWF5jj_UEl6Txbo7mkwyXQfWOzxPV5IN4- >fuT7Sd50j6mytg/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl% >3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__blog.freedomscientific.com_2017_10_25_important- >2Dinformation-2Dfor-2Dusers-2Dof-2Dmozilla- >2Dfirefox_%26d%3DDwICAg%26c%3DOAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTj >S- >x4O_KuapPgY%26r%3D67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW >4%26m%3D6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu- >smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0%26s%3DxAgR6axcX_Gxm8KmTtzX45rfDE4UDsHXSQYgNCk >eQtA%26e%3D > >Hope that helps! > >--Steve Noble >steve.noble@louisville.edu >502-969-3088 >https://secure- >web.cisco.com/1K8Ce9_HmlEfJw14em0VASlfb1lxwGNI6Ck6FZ2_- >GZsakznnSNu86ivxAL9l5dJlqnndkMQUZBJ4WpLFUskyzIY4y08ZQbMz- >hZPtq4FKzb- >WsE36PY6JIKcQvzyTYwXwII4zIND4H7_9RFC5mtT34pLDRktGvTn0QaFmuKas6iK >L0Hti036jvcsXjsLeUM9rqWAdKIMjfVqjYrJxx0eym90eEO8xURzV_x177kXO15D >RPauu1ZlMWirH1IkO9fiT7XNL08Xvyc1ORUQ8TtRdBm6DpKUsqLkXYHfY1qnrBB >WtBPi_vX6ZooEASeJRn3Qh_5De62VkfApXiYw_gFRQZ9qvE_Sz1_aTpame5hbe >H6BOaEbqHj5WOHE8CubmbI- >s2ERidCxoxsxPLvAfde9aDvwV6NTzUgNbPgi2Crcf6HZSEocUt539B- >4DcJ1ba91iRIdIqiKK5B- >QbOgHybPow/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3F >u%3Dhttp- >3A__louisville.academia.edu_SteveNoble%26d%3DDwICAg%26c%3DOAG1LQ >NACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS- >x4O_KuapPgY%26r%3D67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW >4%26m%3D6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu- >smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0%26s%3Ds0SShc2wSyvZFv_r0cKfDcJrD1Og6F5CiHZrmd4vs0 >s%26e%3D > >________________________________________ >From: athen-list on >behalf of Susan Kelmer >Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:34 AM >To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Access Technology Higher >Education Network >Subject: [Athen] question Jaws reading math > >Hi all. I should know this, but the last five years, I've had students using NVDA >to read math, so I'm very very rusty in this area. > >We are creating word files using Mathtype, and publishing them to Mathpage. >The student indicates that the files aren't working - the math isn't being read. >He has mathplayer installed. > >I believe he also needs MathType, is that correct? Is there anything else he >needs to have installed to make this work? Is MathJax a requirement? He's >using Windows 10, so needs to use Firefox or Chrome browsers, I assume. >Also, exactly WHAT files from that Mathpage output do I send him? There is >the file.htm, and then a folder full of the additional files (images and some xml >files). I keep thinking these two things are not talking to each other, if they >need to. > >A good step-by-step process for how we need to save these files on our end, >and more info on how the student should be accessing them, would be >helpful. Accessible math is somewhat new to him, and I don't know if it is >error his end, or error on our end, or missing software on his end. > >Thanks in advance for any and all assistance. > >Susan Kelmer >Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University >of Colorado Boulder >303-735-4836 > >_______________________________________________ >athen-list mailing list >athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >https://secure-web.cisco.com/12a- >DHEMLD8P1xlF01Je0U1oYbBd9oNMwPzICGvrUb60B9W25nTdQ9V4wEZ- >WeDylpVOpjjaqdV3R_LOIYvkrkIuuN- >2g5xgq0K2Fb5dUDx0n9N45C4MqZGUx7__77tZeejuzk8BYLkRu1Nbpg9JJqB9Z >mhRzYx0eFQ1sKpyJuP0hN8nxAJoTS6bPup30C9-zD8OOHt074SRHIJtZq4VQE- >w6ZBeCFVy3l3_4ieJAvfUHozu7hSk0GSHFvwZceWRioND7iOTw7FuYpXatJwlFD >1CsS64wc1FSOqH3VAHRvcXw4kQl0NdMHVKPDojwzck3wjiUCDZXvmZsrGxPqz >NVVdYwABDlaUHka5sKDf6oXL_FyUYOZbRhAYXmZB_ZY5Pl47YY802P9vgDWfD >minJIm1JgfergfKdn_lwCT6dns6X6d2IXMYTZbPu07GfMeiRz90qcXImbRA2t4Mz >EzOTZtQ/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3D >http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen- >2Dlist%26d%3DDwICAg%26c%3DOAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS- >x4O_KuapPgY%26r%3D67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW >4%26m%3D6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu- >smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0%26s%3DY5sFv3l_bJNZ0ky_OvfYRr2I0BbcdkSAJPOvgnSlfao >%26e%3D >_______________________________________________ >athen-list mailing list >athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >https://secure-web.cisco.com/12a- >DHEMLD8P1xlF01Je0U1oYbBd9oNMwPzICGvrUb60B9W25nTdQ9V4wEZ- >WeDylpVOpjjaqdV3R_LOIYvkrkIuuN- >2g5xgq0K2Fb5dUDx0n9N45C4MqZGUx7__77tZeejuzk8BYLkRu1Nbpg9JJqB9Z >mhRzYx0eFQ1sKpyJuP0hN8nxAJoTS6bPup30C9-zD8OOHt074SRHIJtZq4VQE- >w6ZBeCFVy3l3_4ieJAvfUHozu7hSk0GSHFvwZceWRioND7iOTw7FuYpXatJwlFD >1CsS64wc1FSOqH3VAHRvcXw4kQl0NdMHVKPDojwzck3wjiUCDZXvmZsrGxPqz >NVVdYwABDlaUHka5sKDf6oXL_FyUYOZbRhAYXmZB_ZY5Pl47YY802P9vgDWfD >minJIm1JgfergfKdn_lwCT6dns6X6d2IXMYTZbPu07GfMeiRz90qcXImbRA2t4Mz >EzOTZtQ/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3D >http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen- >2Dlist%26d%3DDwICAg%26c%3DOAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS- >x4O_KuapPgY%26r%3D67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW >4%26m%3D6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu- >smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0%26s%3DY5sFv3l_bJNZ0ky_OvfYRr2I0BbcdkSAJPOvgnSlfao >%26e%3D >_______________________________________________ >athen-list mailing list >athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > >_______________________________________________ >athen-list mailing list >athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From kimberley.smith at sfcollege.edu Thu Dec 7 12:08:48 2017 From: kimberley.smith at sfcollege.edu (Kimberley Smith) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] AIM database users Message-ID: Greetings, For those schools who use the AIM database for managing accommodations (that's Accessible Information Management) and you use the testing module, would you be able to share your template for your school's testing contract? That is, what questions do you ask faculty on the testing contract? We are trying to improve the process for faculty and for our workflow, and I figured some schools may have excellent examples. Thanks in advance! Kimberley J. Smith Access Specialist Disabilities Resource Center 352-395-4429 (voice) 352-395-4100 (fax) Santa Fe College Building S, Suite 229 3000 NW 83rd St. Gainesville, FL 32606 www.sfcollege.edu ________________________________ Please note that Florida has a broad public records law, and that all correspondence to or from College employees via email may be subject to disclosure. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpolizzotto at htctu.net Thu Dec 7 12:14:40 2017 From: jpolizzotto at htctu.net (Joseph Polizzotto) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] question Jaws reading math In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <008c01d36f98$040f73b0$0c2e5b10$@htctu.net> Hi Susan: Another solution may be to use Pandoc to convert math documents to HTML, which has the advantage of faster conversion of multiple files and "cleaner" HTML output. You can convert DOCX files to HTML using Pandoc. In that case, you would not be using DOCX + MathType equations but DOCX + OMML equations as your starting point: You can then export to HTML using either the MathML or MathJax switch: pandoc input.docx -s --mathjax -o output.html pandoc input.docx -s --mathml -o output.html If you are using Pandoc, this has been my experience using JAWS (v. 18): - HTML + MathJax + IE sort of works (except for basic math - fractions) - HTML + MathJax + Google Chrome works best (no problems with basic math) Note: In the past I had been to use pandoc to output to HTML + MathML and then use JAWS (v.18) + Firefox but I just tested with Firefox Quantum and this no longer seems to work. Yet, another option with Pandoc is to convert LaTeX files or Markdown files (with LaTeX equations) to HTML + MathJax. The argument would be similar: pandoc input.text -s --mathjax -o output.html pandoc input.md -s --mathjax -o output.html Finally, if your student reads LaTex and uses a Braille display, you may want to check out a tool called Matuc , which has Pandoc as its file conversion engine and GladTex as its module for processing LaTex, because it can convert a markdown file with LaTeX equations to HTML where the LaTeX is rendered as PNG images with LaTeX as the alt-text. (The German developers of these tools have said that their blind population prefers to read HTML files with PNG + LaTeX as alt text since the LaTeX is consistently displayed on their RBD and this method makes speech output of the math equation from a screen reader unnecessary). BTW, the Matuc tool can also be used to output to HTML + MathJax. Contact me off list if you are interested and I can share more information about Matuc. Best, --- Joseph Polizzotto HTCTU Instructor 408-996-6044 www.htctu.net >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] >On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer >Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:02 AM >To: Access Technology Higher Education Network list@u.washington.edu> >Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math > >We have MathType 6.9b, so the latest (as far as I know). We don't have an >html5 option, and I've been using the Math + MathJax. Will try xhtml + >mathML option and see if that output reads better. > >Thanks for the input. Any other advice, please share! > >-Susan > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-list [ mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] >On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L. >Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:52 AM >To: Access Technology Higher Education Network < athen- >list@u.washington.edu> >Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math > >Hi Susan, > >The HTML5+MathML flavor will show up on the list of choices when the >"MathML using..." drop down list is active in the MathPage dialog. If you don't >see it, you must have an old version of MathType. You might want to consider >updating. However, you ought to still have the MathML+MathJax option, >unless you have a really old version. If you don't have that either, then try the >XHTML+MathML option. That should work in Firefox ESR with JAWS. > >--Steve >________________________________________ >From: athen-list < athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu> on >behalf of Susan Kelmer < Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu> >Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:39 PM >To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math > >Steve, how would I create an html5 page from the MathML output I'm getting >from Word and MathType? Is there a different setting I should be using to >publish those MathTyped files and I am missing? I've been getting my info >from Design Science but as we know, the haven't updated in a long time. > >This is definitely not my area of expertise, and the student is clueless. He is >refusing to use NVDA because he can't make it read expressions character by >character. And we need to figure out a way to make this work. > >-Susan > >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-list [ mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] >On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L. >Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:17 AM >To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Access Technology Higher Education >Network < athen-list@u.washington.edu> >Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math > >I was on a call several weeks back with the JAWS developers at FS, and they >do home to eventually support native reading of math expressions inside a >Word document...but they aren't there yet. But NVDA does work, and >Window-Eyes used to work...and still may. > >As far as reading math expressions in an HTML page, using either >HTML5+MathML or HTML+MathJax as the MathPage export *should* result >in a file that can be read by JAWS. Using HTML+MathJax is probably best if you >don't know what browser the student is going to use. JAWS doesn't require >MathPlayer or MathType to read math from an HTML file. According to their >website, it should work in either Firefox or Internet Explorer: >https://secure-web.cisco.com/11QFAcKPxJOZKP5oRVWmE3_fcNq_7Sevt- >Iik5KMcdEzSNA171- >SZN2kp10PZMXktuOdfD3r3_WA3vi0KyWmymLUWArZcpgPQg2b1ATO_emz_ >mX4WcIiYeoA2OvuvJ3uUwKiE7hN- >k2fZF2Vd49AGwO69ae2Iypzpt1Oem9LN8IAwG6nAPOLU0xTTDuO31PPDC4F9s >v9e6c7aIFf0gOU9oL6thmkhIB_Jul- >YWfCktVdvq5Ke8IH_uXqaTnAprYly6BU5w82kPdVoO7VOOz5KWy8WFNOY2nd >XSxGQyjsqS0Ck0tdweEEstK1Aa7gqeiWmbWC9rdQrAfksMALOIkrbAoTNNfQG >P2JHciglEDcCPmbPlYE3G_iapi3NMH8_jSAUMAJxc2WJIchQD8ZOk7DqKK- >oQX0jfyR1YFi5Qbblxf7Okx9qQ7X5VZpf56m11k8ydVipjcM3htEd8K5YJJT2RQ/ht >tps%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp- >3A__www.freedomscientific.com_JAWSHQ_JAWSHeadquarters01%26d%3DD >wICAg%26c%3DOAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS- >x4O_KuapPgY%26r%3D67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW >4%26m%3D6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu- >smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0%26s%3DfGHRYK8ZL7bWjmfGJbt0CZE_GINM3QO54xpi6gw >LzQw%26e%3D > >That probably means it *doesn't* work with Microsoft Edge in Windows >10...you'll need to see if you can install IE11. Also the newest Firefox is causing >problems with JAWS, so for now you'll probably have to switch to Firefox ESR: >https://secure-web.cisco.com/1WIUL71- >1k3z4EH0nebJmlBoDW7dG98iwQb2q1hVlIJJu43CHzdkSIuSEB4vrwtC1h_l7nt9_ >aRbGCXGkkkCkO96PT8T5jefnNZuiLGOt1_Qrlg_MJLvMpcD7pQ8o7I9P029ucb- >TfnWOcpBPQ16PaHxQDE_1fFqC8xYhGDorcqfzl6N28647M_v4DnzWoCZTIbvBv >bUImLBGnjKMosCfcjeG5zqbdA0xQiEh5JrlOZJh- >PGskVYf7elebM7QJd2S4p00SVQVCanNd9lRMIwQn7fQcjWnkEIzCjuRXwTyCKR >0RPkPx5kBxwpMY2TxRcKa8MoGpPahv5rymL9IyGLIXCYVVQlDn_4oQt3fVZTSU >4Y3f9cpfG5N4Vd7JjKD5E_bkmQrSpZJ7BhoP-q9c20opsdP1ugIcFp6U- >MoFbAWF5jj_UEl6Txbo7mkwyXQfWOzxPV5IN4- >fuT7Sd50j6mytg/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl% >3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__blog.freedomscientific.com_2017_10_25_important- >2Dinformation-2Dfor-2Dusers-2Dof-2Dmozilla- >2Dfirefox_%26d%3DDwICAg%26c%3DOAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTj >S- >x4O_KuapPgY%26r%3D67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW >4%26m%3D6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu- >smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0%26s%3DxAgR6axcX_Gxm8KmTtzX45rfDE4UDsHXSQYgNCk >eQtA%26e%3D > >Hope that helps! > >--Steve Noble > steve.noble@louisville.edu >502-969-3088 >https://secure- >web.cisco.com/1K8Ce9_HmlEfJw14em0VASlfb1lxwGNI6Ck6FZ2_- >GZsakznnSNu86ivxAL9l5dJlqnndkMQUZBJ4WpLFUskyzIY4y08ZQbMz- >hZPtq4FKzb- >WsE36PY6JIKcQvzyTYwXwII4zIND4H7_9RFC5mtT34pLDRktGvTn0QaFmuKas6iK >L0Hti036jvcsXjsLeUM9rqWAdKIMjfVqjYrJxx0eym90eEO8xURzV_x177kXO15D >RPauu1ZlMWirH1IkO9fiT7XNL08Xvyc1ORUQ8TtRdBm6DpKUsqLkXYHfY1qnrBB >WtBPi_vX6ZooEASeJRn3Qh_5De62VkfApXiYw_gFRQZ9qvE_Sz1_aTpame5hbe >H6BOaEbqHj5WOHE8CubmbI- >s2ERidCxoxsxPLvAfde9aDvwV6NTzUgNbPgi2Crcf6HZSEocUt539B- >4DcJ1ba91iRIdIqiKK5B- >QbOgHybPow/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3F >u%3Dhttp- >3A__louisville.academia.edu_SteveNoble%26d%3DDwICAg%26c%3DOAG1LQ >NACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS- >x4O_KuapPgY%26r%3D67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW >4%26m%3D6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu- >smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0%26s%3Ds0SShc2wSyvZFv_r0cKfDcJrD1Og6F5CiHZrmd4vs0 >s%26e%3D > >________________________________________ >From: athen-list < athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu> on >behalf of Susan Kelmer < Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu> >Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:34 AM >To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Access Technology Higher >Education Network >Subject: [Athen] question Jaws reading math > >Hi all. I should know this, but the last five years, I've had students using NVDA >to read math, so I'm very very rusty in this area. > >We are creating word files using Mathtype, and publishing them to Mathpage. >The student indicates that the files aren't working - the math isn't being read. >He has mathplayer installed. > >I believe he also needs MathType, is that correct? Is there anything else he >needs to have installed to make this work? Is MathJax a requirement? He's >using Windows 10, so needs to use Firefox or Chrome browsers, I assume. >Also, exactly WHAT files from that Mathpage output do I send him? There is >the file.htm, and then a folder full of the additional files (images and some xml >files). I keep thinking these two things are not talking to each other, if they >need to. > >A good step-by-step process for how we need to save these files on our end, >and more info on how the student should be accessing them, would be >helpful. Accessible math is somewhat new to him, and I don't know if it is >error his end, or error on our end, or missing software on his end. > >Thanks in advance for any and all assistance. > >Susan Kelmer >Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University >of Colorado Boulder >303-735-4836 > >_______________________________________________ >athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >https://secure-web.cisco.com/12a- >DHEMLD8P1xlF01Je0U1oYbBd9oNMwPzICGvrUb60B9W25nTdQ9V4wEZ- >WeDylpVOpjjaqdV3R_LOIYvkrkIuuN- >2g5xgq0K2Fb5dUDx0n9N45C4MqZGUx7__77tZeejuzk8BYLkRu1Nbpg9JJqB9Z >mhRzYx0eFQ1sKpyJuP0hN8nxAJoTS6bPup30C9-zD8OOHt074SRHIJtZq4VQE- >w6ZBeCFVy3l3_4ieJAvfUHozu7hSk0GSHFvwZceWRioND7iOTw7FuYpXatJwlFD >1CsS64wc1FSOqH3VAHRvcXw4kQl0NdMHVKPDojwzck3wjiUCDZXvmZsrGxPqz >NVVdYwABDlaUHka5sKDf6oXL_FyUYOZbRhAYXmZB_ZY5Pl47YY802P9vgDWfD >minJIm1JgfergfKdn_lwCT6dns6X6d2IXMYTZbPu07GfMeiRz90qcXImbRA2t4Mz >EzOTZtQ/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3D >http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen- >2Dlist%26d%3DDwICAg%26c%3DOAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS- >x4O_KuapPgY%26r%3D67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW >4%26m%3D6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu- >smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0%26s%3DY5sFv3l_bJNZ0ky_OvfYRr2I0BbcdkSAJPOvgnSlfao >%26e%3D >_______________________________________________ >athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >https://secure-web.cisco.com/12a- >DHEMLD8P1xlF01Je0U1oYbBd9oNMwPzICGvrUb60B9W25nTdQ9V4wEZ- >WeDylpVOpjjaqdV3R_LOIYvkrkIuuN- >2g5xgq0K2Fb5dUDx0n9N45C4MqZGUx7__77tZeejuzk8BYLkRu1Nbpg9JJqB9Z >mhRzYx0eFQ1sKpyJuP0hN8nxAJoTS6bPup30C9-zD8OOHt074SRHIJtZq4VQE- >w6ZBeCFVy3l3_4ieJAvfUHozu7hSk0GSHFvwZceWRioND7iOTw7FuYpXatJwlFD >1CsS64wc1FSOqH3VAHRvcXw4kQl0NdMHVKPDojwzck3wjiUCDZXvmZsrGxPqz >NVVdYwABDlaUHka5sKDf6oXL_FyUYOZbRhAYXmZB_ZY5Pl47YY802P9vgDWfD >minJIm1JgfergfKdn_lwCT6dns6X6d2IXMYTZbPu07GfMeiRz90qcXImbRA2t4Mz >EzOTZtQ/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3D >http-3A__mailman13.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen- >2Dlist%26d%3DDwICAg%26c%3DOAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS- >x4O_KuapPgY%26r%3D67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW >4%26m%3D6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu- >smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0%26s%3DY5sFv3l_bJNZ0ky_OvfYRr2I0BbcdkSAJPOvgnSlfao >%26e%3D >_______________________________________________ >athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > >_______________________________________________ >athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.noble at louisville.edu Thu Dec 7 12:18:36 2017 From: steve.noble at louisville.edu (Noble,Stephen L.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] question Jaws reading math In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: OK...I think that option may need to be added manually for now. Go to this page: http://www.dessci.com/en/support/mathtype/tsn/tsn165.htm You'll see a link to download the file you need. After you install it, you should have the new MathPage options. --Steve ________________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 1:01 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math We have MathType 6.9b, so the latest (as far as I know). We don't have an html5 option, and I've been using the Math + MathJax. Will try xhtml + mathML option and see if that output reads better. Thanks for the input. Any other advice, please share! -Susan -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L. Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math Hi Susan, The HTML5+MathML flavor will show up on the list of choices when the "MathML using..." drop down list is active in the MathPage dialog. If you don't see it, you must have an old version of MathType. You might want to consider updating. However, you ought to still have the MathML+MathJax option, unless you have a really old version. If you don't have that either, then try the XHTML+MathML option. That should work in Firefox ESR with JAWS. --Steve ________________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:39 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math Steve, how would I create an html5 page from the MathML output I'm getting from Word and MathType? Is there a different setting I should be using to publish those MathTyped files and I am missing? I've been getting my info from Design Science but as we know, the haven't updated in a long time. This is definitely not my area of expertise, and the student is clueless. He is refusing to use NVDA because he can't make it read expressions character by character. And we need to figure out a way to make this work. -Susan -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L. Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:17 AM To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math I was on a call several weeks back with the JAWS developers at FS, and they do home to eventually support native reading of math expressions inside a Word document...but they aren't there yet. But NVDA does work, and Window-Eyes used to work...and still may. As far as reading math expressions in an HTML page, using either HTML5+MathML or HTML+MathJax as the MathPage export *should* result in a file that can be read by JAWS. Using HTML+MathJax is probably best if you don't know what browser the student is going to use. JAWS doesn't require MathPlayer or MathType to read math from an HTML file. According to their website, it should work in either Firefox or Internet Explorer: https://secure-web.cisco.com/11QFAcKPxJOZKP5oRVWmE3_fcNq_7Sevt-Iik5KMcdEzSNA171-SZN2kp10PZMXktuOdfD3r3_WA3vi0KyWmymLUWArZcpgPQg2b1ATO_emz_mX4WcIiYeoA2OvuvJ3uUwKiE7hN-k2fZF2Vd49AGwO69ae2Iypzpt1Oem9LN8IAwG6nAPOLU0xTTDuO31PPDC4F9sv9e6c7aIFf0gOU9oL6thmkhIB_Jul-YWfCktVdvq5Ke8IH_uXqaTnAprYly6BU5w82kPdVoO7VOOz5KWy8WFNOY2ndXSxGQyjsqS0Ck0tdweEEstK1Aa7gqeiWmbWC9rdQrAfksMALOIkrbAoTNNfQGP2JHciglEDcCPmbPlYE3G_iapi3NMH8_jSAUMAJxc2WJIchQD8ZOk7DqKK-oQX0jfyR1YFi5Qbblxf7Okx9qQ7X5VZpf56m11k8ydVipjcM3htEd8K5YJJT2RQ/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__www.freedomscientific.com_JAWSHQ_JAWSHeadquarters01%26d%3DDwICAg%26c%3DOAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY%26r%3D67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4%26m%3D6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu-smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0%26s%3DfGHRYK8ZL7bWjmfGJbt0CZE_GINM3QO54xpi6gwLzQw%26e%3D That probably means it *doesn't* work with Microsoft Edge in Windows 10...you'll need to see if you can install IE11. Also the newest Firefox is causing problems with JAWS, so for now you'll probably have to switch to Firefox ESR: https://secure-web.cisco.com/1WIUL71-1k3z4EH0nebJmlBoDW7dG98iwQb2q1hVlIJJu43CHzdkSIuSEB4vrwtC1h_l7nt9_aRbGCXGkkkCkO96PT8T5jefnNZuiLGOt1_Qrlg_MJLvMpcD7pQ8o7I9P029ucb-TfnWOcpBPQ16PaHxQDE_1fFqC8xYhGDorcqfzl6N28647M_v4DnzWoCZTIbvBvbUImLBGnjKMosCfcjeG5zqbdA0xQiEh5JrlOZJh-PGskVYf7elebM7QJd2S4p00SVQVCanNd9lRMIwQn7fQcjWnkEIzCjuRXwTyCKR0RPkPx5kBxwpMY2TxRcKa8MoGpPahv5rymL9IyGLIXCYVVQlDn_4oQt3fVZTSU4Y3f9cpfG5N4Vd7JjKD5E_bkmQrSpZJ7BhoP-q9c20opsdP1ugIcFp6U-MoFbAWF5jj_UEl6Txbo7mkwyXQfWOzxPV5IN4-fuT7Sd50j6mytg/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__blog.freedomscientific.com_2017_10_25_important-2Dinformation-2Dfor-2Dusers-2Dof-2Dmozilla-2Dfirefox_%26d%3DDwICAg%26c%3DOAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY%26r%3D67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4%26m%3D6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu-smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0%26s%3DxAgR6axcX_Gxm8KmTtzX45rfDE4UDsHXSQYgNCkeQtA%26e%3D Hope that helps! --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 https://secure-web.cisco.com/1K8Ce9_HmlEfJw14em0VASlfb1lxwGNI6Ck6FZ2_-GZsakznnSNu86ivxAL9l5dJlqnndkMQUZBJ4WpLFUskyzIY4y08ZQbMz-hZPtq4FKzb-WsE36PY6JIKcQvzyTYwXwII4zIND4H7_9RFC5mtT34pLDRktGvTn0QaFmuKas6iKL0Hti036jvcsXjsLeUM9rqWAdKIMjfVqjYrJxx0eym90eEO8xURzV_x177kXO15DRPauu1ZlMWirH1IkO9fiT7XNL08Xvyc1ORUQ8TtRdBm6DpKUsqLkXYHfY1qnrBBWtBPi_vX6ZooEASeJRn3Qh_5De62VkfApXiYw_gFRQZ9qvE_Sz1_aTpame5hbeH6BOaEbqHj5WOHE8CubmbI-s2ERidCxoxsxPLvAfde9aDvwV6NTzUgNbPgi2Crcf6HZSEocUt539B-4DcJ1ba91iRIdIqiKK5B-QbOgHybPow/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttp-3A__louisville.academia.edu_SteveNoble%26d%3DDwICAg%26c%3DOAG1LQNACBDguGvBeNj18Swhr9TMTjS-x4O_KuapPgY%26r%3D67olWPWhVEsI50vpRdydglG2RHA1T81UHrTuRDeUqW4%26m%3D6breuL8FItjz_mGAJsFXvBdJKu-smZ9fkNvzSk6DrE0%26s%3Ds0SShc2wSyvZFv_r0cKfDcJrD1Og6F5CiHZrmd4vs0s%26e%3D ________________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:34 AM To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] question Jaws reading math Hi all. I should know this, but the last five years, I've had students using NVDA to read math, so I'm very very rusty in this area. We are creating word files using Mathtype, and publishing them to Mathpage. The student indicates that the files aren't working - the math isn't being read. He has mathplayer installed. I believe he also needs MathType, is that correct? Is there anything else he needs to have installed to make this work? Is MathJax a requirement? He's using Windows 10, so needs to use Firefox or Chrome browsers, I assume. Also, exactly WHAT files from that Mathpage output do I send him? There is the file.htm, and then a folder full of the additional files (images and some xml files). I keep thinking these two things are not talking to each other, if they need to. A good step-by-step process for how we need to save these files on our end, and more info on how the student should be accessing them, would be helpful. Accessible math is somewhat new to him, and I don't know if it is error his end, or error on our end, or missing software on his end. Thanks in advance for any and all assistance. 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Email support@accessiblelearning.com if you don't have access to the manual because it's locked to your school's IP Address. Krista KRISTA GREEAR Assistant Director Disability Resources for Students 011 Mary Gates Hall Box 352808 Seattle, WA 98195-2808 Direct: 206.221.4136 / Main: 206.543.8924 greeark@uw.edu/ http://disability.uw.edu -----Original Message----- From: Disabled Student Services in Higher Education [mailto:DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Kimberley Smith Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:10 PM To: DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: AIM database users Greetings, For those schools who use the AIM database for managing accommodations (that's Accessible Information Management) and you use the testing module, would you be able to share your template for your school's testing contract? That is, what questions do you ask faculty on the testing contract? We are trying to improve the process for faculty and for our workflow, and I figured some schools may have excellent examples. Thanks in advance! Kimberley J. Smith Access Specialist Disabilities Resource Center 352-395-4429 (voice) 352-395-4100 (fax) Santa Fe College Building S, Suite 229 3000 NW 83rd St. Gainesville, FL 32606 www.sfcollege.edu> ________________________________ Please note that Florida has a broad public records law, and that all correspondence to or from College employees via email may be subject to disclosure. This list is intended to serve as a forum for higher education professionals involved in the delivery of services to students with disabilities in higher education. Any commercial posts or posts that are deemed by the listowner to be inappropriate for the list will result in the poster being removed from the list. To sign off the list, send a message to * listserv@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu * with the message * Unsubscribe dsshe-L To search the archives, go to http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/dsshe-l.html Questions? Contact Listowner Dan Ryan at dryan@buffalo.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsuttondc at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 15:00:16 2017 From: jsuttondc at gmail.com (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] iOS Review MindNode 5, AN Accessible Mind Mapping Tool for Writers Message-ID: <411e3b1c-04e6-ae77-6ad9-ae6826a45401@gmail.com> ATHENites: I've been looking for a mind-mapping tool that would be accessible to screen reader users for many years. I thought I'd share what's below (a review of an app.), here, in case you all know of faculty/students who may also be questing. Of course, mind-mapping isn't just for writers. Unfortunately, this is only for iOS, though perhaps the Mac version is accessible, too? (and/or perhaps they'd accept feedback). Even though this IoS app. isn't perfect, it's the closest thing I've heard of, and I look forward to buying and trying it this weekend. Best, Jennifer iOS Review MindNode 5, AN Accessible Mind Mapping Tool for Writers - Blind Bargains https://blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=18109 From hascherdss at gmail.com Thu Dec 7 15:14:36 2017 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] AIM database users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's the template we use for our AIM Testing Agreement. Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director - Assistive Technology --- Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas --- 209 ARKU --- Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 ph --- 479.575.7445 fax --- 479.575.3646 tdd +++++++++++++++ StrengthQuest Talent Themes: Learner, Input, Maximizer, Intellection, Arranger *This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender by reply email and delete the message. Your cooperation is appreciated. * +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas ARKU 209 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 479.575.7445 fax 479.575.3646 tdd +++++++++++++++ On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Kimberley Smith < kimberley.smith@sfcollege.edu> wrote: > Greetings, > > > > For those schools who use the AIM database for managing accommodations > (that?s Accessible Information Management) and you use the testing module, > would you be able to share your template for your school?s testing > contract? That is, what questions do you ask faculty on the testing > contract? > > > > We are trying to improve the process for faculty and for our workflow, and > I figured some schools may have excellent examples. > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > > > *Kimberley J. 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URL: From steve.noble at louisville.edu Sat Dec 9 09:04:34 2017 From: steve.noble at louisville.edu (Noble,Stephen L.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Help with making statistics accessible to blind student In-Reply-To: <4C48958A8BEE9A4291719A8CB88FA816416BDDF6@EM1A.ad.ucla.edu> References: <4C48958A8BEE9A4291719A8CB88FA816416BDDF6@EM1A.ad.ucla.edu> Message-ID: 1) If you are creating materials for statistics, try using the SAS Graphics Accelerator http://support.sas.com/software/products/graphics-accelerator/#s1=1 If your campus statistics instructors use SAS, then that's the perfect solution. But worth looking into regardless. Here's a video demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzqtOZvx7Sk 2) For a student producing their own graphs, use some type of accessible graphing calculator. A few options: https://www.desmos.com/accessibility https://viewplus.com/product/audio-graphing-calculator/ http://shop.aph.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_Orion%20TI-84%20Plus%20Talking%20Graphing%20Calculator_1-07340-00P_10001_11051 3) Mathematical formulas used in statistics can be made accessible by creating them with MathML. There are various methods and tools, depending upon what source you are starting with. Here's a page with an overview: https://www.pcc.edu/resources/instructional-support/access/math.html Hope that helps. --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Nunez, Laura Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 3:26 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Help with making statistics accessible to blind student Hello, Does anyone have any experience with making statistics course materials (specifically formulas, graphs, and charts) accessible to blind students. Currently, a student of ours wants the materials brailled, but this poses time and financial challenges. Ideally, if there were a way to electronically produce graphs and formulas that can be accessed through a screen reader, this student would have a better time in keeping pace with the class in accessing coursework. All suggestions welcome. Laura From koupe at di.uoa.gr Sat Dec 9 09:10:56 2017 From: koupe at di.uoa.gr (Georgios Kouroupetroglou) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Call for Papers: The 2018 IEEE Symposium on Computational Intelligence in Robotics Rehabilitation and Assistive Technologies (IEEE CIR2AT'2018) , November 18-21, 2018, Bengaluru, India In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3c4f7ec7-7af0-764a-c0ef-010bb205120f@di.uoa.gr> ?The 2018 IEEE Symposium on: ?????????????????????????????? ? ? ? ?? Computational Intelligence in Robotics Rehabilitation and Assistive Technologies (IEEE CIR2AT'2018) ? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Bengaluru, India, November 18-21, 2018 *?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? **http://ieee-ssci2018.org/cir2at.html*** Millions of individuals of all ages experience permanent or temporary sensor, motor or cognitive limitations. The "cost" associated with these disabilities includes not only those incurred through medical and support services, but also less tangible costs, such as those due to lost wages and non-productivity. Computer-based Assistive and Rehabilitation Technologies offer tools, devices, systems and services that can be used to correct, enable, maintain, or improve the functional capabilities of individuals with disabilities. As a? relieving measure, Assistive Technologies' scope is twofold: at first, to enable a more independent daily life, whether by providing assisted mobility, communication, or health, and either at home, school or work; and secondly, to offer all the benefits of an inclusive participation in the information society, from the more passive web content accessibility to the full participation in social media and all other Internet services. At the same time, as a corrective measure, the goals of Rehabilitation are to eliminate or at least ameliorate life-limiting disabilities and facilitate community re-entry.? That is, while restoration of function is the most positive outcome of rehabilitation, compensatory strategies are also employed when the natural functions cannot be fully restored. IEEE CIR2AT'2016 will highlight the latest results from world leading research labs, academia and industry in the fields of Computational Intelligence applied to both Assistive Technology and Robotic Rehabilitation. *Topics *include but are not limited to: ????????? Assistive Technologies for Persons with Visual Impairment ????????? Assistive Technologies for Hearing enhancement ????????? Augmentative and Alternative Communication systems ????????? Assistive Technologies for Persons with Cognitive Impairment ????????? Assistive technologies for persons with print disabilities ????????? Rehabilitation Robotics and Telemanipulation ????????? Assisting Recovery from Stroke ????????? Technologies to Enhance Mobility and Function for Individuals with Severe Disability (e.g. Spinal Cord Injury, ASL, Muscle Dystrophy, etc.) ????????? Telerehabilitation ????????? Wheelchair Transportation Safety ????????? Wheeled Mobility ????????? School and Workplace Accommodations ????????? Robotic Prosthetic and Orthotics ????????? Technologies for Improving Quality of Daily Living ????????? Recreational Technologies and Exercise Physiology Benefiting Persons with Disabilities CIR2AT'2018will be held in the framework of the *201**8**IEEE Symposium Series on Computational Intelligence (IEEE SSCI 201**8**)*http://ieee-ssci2018.org SSCI is a flagship annual international conference on computational intelligence sponsored by the IEEE Computational Intelligence Society. All accepted paper will appear in IEEE Xplore Digital Library and indexed by EI, SCOPUS etc. ? As a tradition, IEEE SSCI 2018will co-locate a number of symposiums, each dedicated to a special topic related to computational intelligence, thereby providing a unique platform for promoting cross-fertilization. ? *Important Dates*: Special Session Proposals ? April 15, 2018 Paper submission due:?June15, 2018 Paper acceptance:?August15, 2018 Early registration:?September15, 2018?? ? ? IEEE CIR2AT'2018co-Chairs:?*? Guilherme N. DeSouza*, /University of Missouri, USA/ (email: DeSouzaG@missouri.edu ) *???????????????????????????????????????????????????? Georgios Kouroupetroglou*, /University of Athens, Greece/ (email: koupe@di.uoa.gr ) ? ? ? ? ? -- ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zm290 at msstate.edu Sat Dec 9 12:41:53 2017 From: zm290 at msstate.edu (Zach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Help with making statistics accessible to blind student In-Reply-To: References: <4C48958A8BEE9A4291719A8CB88FA816416BDDF6@EM1A.ad.ucla.edu> Message-ID: <00c001d3712e$26542780$72fc7680$@msstate.edu> Hello, I didn't know how usable SAS's Graphics Accelerator extension was. I am a blind masters student; and now that I've finished my statistics course work, am happy to share advice and my own experiences in statistics with your student should he or she wish. Kind regards, Zac Zachary Mason M.S. Student Animal and Dairy Sciences Mississippi State University -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L. Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 12:05 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Help with making statistics accessible to blind student 1) If you are creating materials for statistics, try using the SAS Graphics Accelerator http://support.sas.com/software/products/graphics-accelerator/#s1=1 If your campus statistics instructors use SAS, then that's the perfect solution. But worth looking into regardless. Here's a video demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzqtOZvx7Sk 2) For a student producing their own graphs, use some type of accessible graphing calculator. A few options: https://www.desmos.com/accessibility https://viewplus.com/product/audio-graphing-calculator/ http://shop.aph.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_Orion%20TI-84%20Plus%2 0Talking%20Graphing%20Calculator_1-07340-00P_10001_11051 3) Mathematical formulas used in statistics can be made accessible by creating them with MathML. There are various methods and tools, depending upon what source you are starting with. Here's a page with an overview: https://www.pcc.edu/resources/instructional-support/access/math.html Hope that helps. --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Nunez, Laura Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 3:26 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Help with making statistics accessible to blind student Hello, Does anyone have any experience with making statistics course materials (specifically formulas, graphs, and charts) accessible to blind students. Currently, a student of ours wants the materials brailled, but this poses time and financial challenges. Ideally, if there were a way to electronically produce graphs and formulas that can be accessed through a screen reader, this student would have a better time in keeping pace with the class in accessing coursework. All suggestions welcome. Laura _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From susan.gjolmesli at bellevuecollege.edu Sun Dec 10 12:13:57 2017 From: susan.gjolmesli at bellevuecollege.edu (Susan Gjolmesli) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 143, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry to break in here , As a blind user Windows 10 is the pits. Just saying. Though retired I avidly read through all your posts. So good to hear from you on this string Anna Marie! Susan Gjolmesli ? EmeretusI hope you all have a well deserved, relaxing winter break From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Anna Marie Golden Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 1:50 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 143, Issue 3 ? EVERY TIME Windows 10 updates, it messes everything up. I found a hack online somewhere so I could get it stop automatically installing the updates. Now when the dialog pops up because there's an update, I dismiss it, It still opens the update window but I can just close it now instead of waiting for the update to complete. It's annoying but it beats Windows updating whenever it wants to. I'm actually afraid to do anymore Windows 10 updates. I keep dismissing them because installing them means I end up having to google all sorts of things to get everything back to the way it was. Sometimes I can't get it back to the way it was because they remove useful features that give users choices outside of the Microsoft ecosystem. I never know what to expect from an update and it has cost time and productivity every single time I've allowed an update to happen. I'm really disappointed in Windows 10 overall. It's too controlling. They created it more like a home version, forcing settings and security I don't want. And the way they made the updates work is ridiculous. Nothing like standing in front of a room of people, ready to give a presentation when Windows 10 decides to update on its own... --Anna Marie (First name = "Anna Marie") On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:00 PM, > wrote: Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Krista Greear) 2. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Susan Kelmer) 3. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Howard Kramer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 20:12:40 +0000 From: Krista Greear > To: "chagnon@pubcom.com" >, "Access Technology Higher Education Network" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Some things I shared with my office after upgrading 40 computers to Windows 10 this summer. ? Stop folders from being added to Quick Access https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4027032/windows-pin-remove-and-customize-in-quick-access ? I turned off animations when I was typing: https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-off-Office-animations-9EE5C4D2-D144-4FD2-B670-22CEF9FA025A ? Made the cursor bigger: https://www.isunshare.com/windows-10/3-ways-to-change-mouse-pointer-size-and-color-in-windows-10.html ? Turn off Outlook email desktop notifications: https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-new-message-alert-pop-up-on-or-off-9940c70e-b306-442e-a856-d94b20318481. ? Changed colors o Right click on desktop o Select Personalize o Select Colors on left side o Pick your color then turn on the ?Show color on Start, taskbar, action center, and title bar? and ?Make Start, taskbar, and action center transparent? options at the bottom ? Making Adobe the Default Pdf Reader o Hit the windows key and search ?Default Programs? o Scroll down and select ?choose default apps by file type? o Scroll down to .pdf, click the icon, and select Adobe Acrobat. o Exit out, you?re done! Krista KRISTA GREEAR Assistant Director Disability Resources for Students 011 Mary Gates Hall Box 352808 Seattle, WA 98195-2808 Direct: 206.221.4136 / Main: 206.543.8924 greeark@uw.edu>/ http://disability.uw.edu [cid:image001.gif@01D33387.742D8C60] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Chagnon | PubCom Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 10:15 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Not only is this a royal P I T A for everyone, but it?s also an ADA issue and the community should file a formal complaint with DOJ?s ADA office. Adobe is not able to stop Microsoft from hijacking the PDF file format?s default software. In theory, all users should be able to set their default preferences for any file format, and the OS (namely Apple and Microsoft) should respect the user?s choice. There was an anti-trust lawsuit in the 1990s with Microsoft about something very similar. Since then, we now that we have Sec. 508 in place and I think a stronger case can be built on ADA violations. Edge is not fully accessible and provides an inferior user experience for those using A T. Any accessibility lawyers out there who want to fight this? --Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon | www.PubCom.com Technologists for Accessible Design and Publishing print ? digital ? web ? documents ? pdfs ? epubs consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services ? ? ? From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to start all over again. Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. -Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 1303 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:04:22 +0000 From: Susan Kelmer > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I have been using Windows 10 against my will for the last year on my personal laptop. After a year, I still hate it with the passion of a thousand burning suns. Maybe more than a thousand. They broke what worked. The start menu is a freaking joke, it puts whatever it wants there instead of what I am actually using all the time. The only way for me to open programs now is to windows-button then type in the program I?m looking for. I used to be able to click the most used ones or at least select them with windows key and my up or down arrow keys, but no more. The preview feature that works so well on Windows 7, on Windows 10 is combined with the little ?show all/hide all? spot in the lower left corner, and of course my mouse ends up down there all the time, hiding all my windows even if I?m actively typing. So I had to turn off the preview of the taskbar in order to fix that but now I don?t have the previews I used to count on to figure out which task bar button to open (I usually have the task bar pretty full of open programs. The personalized settings for screen savers is totally borked?they work randomly and seldom. I also can no longer schedule update! s at my convenience, even with workarounds, and I will walk away from my laptop for a few hours and come back and find it either updating, or it just finished an update and rebooted. This despite telling it not to do updates except in the middle of the night. I spend twenty minutes trying to get everything back open again and of course it didn?t save anything it should have saved, so I?ve got all these random documents that now need to be saved, but can?t be saved over their original file name, but need a NEW file name. I have tried to once a week do an ?install updates and reboot? or ?install updates and shut down? with the start menu but it doesn?t actually install updates?when you boot it back up, THEN it does updates. I had one last week like that, told it to ?install and shut down? as I left my house, came back many hours later to grab the laptop for a meeting, and turned it on, and it spent 90 minutes installing updates. I had to take paper notes for my meeting.- Krista gave some good tips, these are most things I?ve already done. Edge is awful and Microsoft just needs to get out of the browser business now. Didn?t they learn anything by watching Netscape?s demise?? It amazes me how much Microsoft doesn?t listen to its main clients, BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. None of their ?improvements? are improvements at all, they are just more obstacles, more things to learn (sometimes a huge learning curve). So annoying! Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 11:02 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to start all over again. Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. -Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 12:40:21 -0700 From: Howard Kramer > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thank you all for sharing that - I feel less alone. Misery loves company. :-) -Howard On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: > I have been using Windows 10 against my will for the last year on my > personal laptop. After a year, I still hate it with the passion of a > thousand burning suns. Maybe more than a thousand. > > > > They broke what worked. The start menu is a freaking joke, it puts > whatever it wants there instead of what I am actually using all the time. > The only way for me to open programs now is to windows-button then type in > the program I?m looking for. I used to be able to click the most used ones > or at least select them with windows key and my up or down arrow keys, but > no more. The preview feature that works so well on Windows 7, on Windows > 10 is combined with the little ?show all/hide all? spot in the lower left > corner, and of course my mouse ends up down there all the time, hiding all > my windows even if I?m actively typing. So I had to turn off the preview > of the taskbar in order to fix that but now I don?t have the previews I > used to count on to figure out which task bar button to open (I usually > have the task bar pretty full of open programs. The personalized settings > for screen savers is totally borked?they work randomly and seldom. I also > can no longer schedule updates at my convenience, even with workarounds, > and I will walk away from my laptop for a few hours and come back and find > it either updating, or it just finished an update and rebooted. This > despite telling it not to do updates except in the middle of the night. I > spend twenty minutes trying to get everything back open again and of course > it didn?t save anything it should have saved, so I?ve got all these random > documents that now need to be saved, but can?t be saved over their original > file name, but need a NEW file name. I have tried to once a week do an > ?install updates and reboot? or ?install updates and shut down? with the > start menu but it doesn?t actually install updates?when you boot it back > up, THEN it does updates. I had one last week like that, told it to > ?install and shut down? as I left my house, came back many hours later to > grab the laptop for a meeting, and turned it on, and it spent 90 minutes > installing updates. I had to take paper notes for my meeting.- > > > > Krista gave some good tips, these are most things I?ve already done. Edge > is awful and Microsoft just needs to get out of the browser business now. > Didn?t they learn anything by watching Netscape?s demise?? > > > > It amazes me how much Microsoft doesn?t listen to its main clients, > BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. None of their ?improvements? are improvements at > all, they are just more obstacles, more things to learn (sometimes a huge > learning curve). So annoying! > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836 <(303)%20735-4836>* > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Howard Kramer > *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 11:02 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? > > > > Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's > a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are > continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to > a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest > driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and > then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to > start all over again. > > > > Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the > registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so > frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S > until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about > 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday. > > > > -Howard > > > > > > > -- > > Howard Kramer > > Conference Coordinator > > Accessing Higher Ground > > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> > > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> > > > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > * in > Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be > announced at the beginning of March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! > * And the *Technology > Access Series *. > Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your > earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list ------------------------------ End of athen-list Digest, Vol 143, Issue 3 ****************************************** -- Anna Marie Golden, MHCID ?Master of Human-Computer Interaction + Design, Class of 2014? IT Accessibility Specialist Accessible Technology Services, UW-IT (206) 221-4164 Mailing Address: Box 354842 University of Washington Seattle, WA 98195-4842 Street Address: 4545 Building 4545 - 15th Avenue NE, Suite 100 Seattle, Washington 98105 http://www.washington.edu/accessibility/ [Image removed by sender.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ~WRD000.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 823 bytes Desc: ~WRD000.jpg URL: From anitase at microsoft.com Mon Dec 11 11:32:11 2017 From: anitase at microsoft.com (Anita Mortaloni) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] Agenda for 12/13 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone, Making a few minor changes to the agenda. With Windows 10 feedback still coming in on the mailing list, we are adding about 10 min to the agenda for people to share feedback/issues about Windows 10. We will compile and come back in January with a deep dive session on this. Looking forward to the meeting Wednesday! Anita Mortaloni Agenda for 12/13 ATHEN-Microsoft Meeting * Feedback requests * Open discussion on Windows 10. * Comments feature in WXP across mobile, Win32, Mac & web. Details below - @Kathleen Cachel * Updates * Review of feedback Mac Word scenarios - @Cathy Harley (this will be discussed after 9:30am) * Bug Updates * Open Discussion Commenting Features in WXP Scenarios for feedback Contact: Kathleen Cachel, email: kacachel@microsoft.com Background The comment experience is currently being updated for Word, Excel, and PowerPoint across all the platforms (web, Win32, Mac, and mobile). Comments will all include the ability to reply and be edited. Comments will have a tree structure such that all comment threads are collapsed and then expanded. All comment threads will be in a list. A comment thread is composed of the parent comment and its replies. Each comment visually displays the author, timestamp, & comment body text. Each comment is a different tree item control inside the thread tree. We are hoping to get some feedback around the accessible names, control types, relationships, and focus order of this experience. Questions about commenting threads: Comments will be collapsed by default and can be expanded. Collapsed comments contain a preview of the parent comment, a preview of the most recent reply and a "view X more replies" button. * What information is a valuable to you when focus is on the entire collapsed comment thread? Expanded comments contain the parent comment and the replies. * What information is valuable to you when the focus is placed on an entire expanded comment thread? Questions about comments (parents or replies): Focus can also be placed on a single comment: a parent comment or any of its replies. * What information is valuable to you when the focus is placed on the parent comment in a thread? * What information is valuable to you when the focus is placed on a reply comment in a thread? Navigating through comment threads In collapsed cards: The up and down arrows go from one comment thread in the list to another comment thread. The right arrow expands the current comment thread and puts focus on the parent. In an expanded card: The up and down arrows go between the parent and replies within the thread. Right arrow goes through all the replies and when it is invoked after the last reply it collapses the current card and expands the next card putting focus on the parent. When the card is expanded a left arrow action collapses the current card and puts focus on the collapsed thread. This follows tree structure paradigms, does this feel like the right paradigm to you? Questions about the focus order in collapsed comment thread: A collapsed comment thread contains a snippet preview of the parent comment, a "view X more replies" button, a snippet preview of the latest reply, a "..." (more actions) menu which contains an option to delete the thread, and a reply box so the thread can be directly replied to. Our current focus order (using tab) is: 1. Comment thread 2. "View X more replies" button 3. The ... (more actions) menu (which contains delete and resolve thread) * Related, any suggestions on the accessible name for this menu? 4. The reply box Does this feel relevant and make sense to you? Is there anything we can improve on? Questions about the focus order in an expanded comment thread : An expanded comment thread contains the parent comment, and all the replies. On the parent item is a "..." (more actions) menu which contains a delete thread and resolve thread option. At the bottom of the card is a reply box. When the card is expanded, focus is automatically put on the parent comment. A user can up/down arrow to the reply comments in the thread. Tabbing away from a parent or reply comment retains selection so shift tab will put focus back on the reply or parent comment that was selected. Our current focus order (using tab) is: 1. The parent comment or a reply comment (whatever is selected in the thread) 2. The "..." (more actions) menu which contains delete and resolve thread 3. The "Edit" button for the parent or reply comment 4. The "delete" button if selection is on a reply comment Does this feel right to you? Do you have enough context for which comment will be edited or deleted when you would invoke the button? From: Anita Mortaloni Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 7:59 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Cc: Kathleen Cachel ; Cathy Harley ; Jeff Petty ; Anita Mortaloni ; Mariah Moon (DUNN) ; OfficeA11yATHENCollaboration Subject: Agenda for 12/13 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting Hi ATHEN, Sharing out the agenda for the upcoming ATHEN meeting next week (Wednesday 12/13 at 9am). In addition you will find details on the Commenting features in WXP that we would like feedback on. If you have additional items that you would like to discuss, send them prior to the meeting to add them to the agenda. Talk to you all next week! Anita Mortaloni Agenda for 12/13 ATHEN-Microsoft Meeting * Feedback requests * Comments feature in WXP across mobile, Win32, Mac & web. Details below - @Kathleen Cachel * Updates * Windows feedback (pending confirmation) * Bug updates * Review of feedback Mac Word scenarios - @Cathy Harley (this will be discussed after 9:30am) * Open Discussion Commenting Features in WXP Scenarios for feedback Contact: Kathleen Cachel, email: kacachel@microsoft.com Background The comment experience is currently being updated for Word, Excel, and PowerPoint across all the platforms (web, Win32, Mac, and mobile). Comments will all include the ability to reply and be edited. Comments will have a tree structure such that all comment threads are collapsed and then expanded. All comment threads will be in a list. A comment thread is composed of the parent comment and its replies. Each comment visually displays the author, timestamp, & comment body text. Each comment is a different tree item control inside the thread tree. We are hoping to get some feedback around the accessible names, control types, relationships, and focus order of this experience. Questions about commenting threads: Comments will be collapsed by default and can be expanded. Collapsed comments contain a preview of the parent comment, a preview of the most recent reply and a "view X more replies" button. * What information is a valuable to you when focus is on the entire collapsed comment thread? Expanded comments contain the parent comment and the replies. * What information is valuable to you when the focus is placed on an entire expanded comment thread? Questions about comments (parents or replies): Focus can also be placed on a single comment: a parent comment or any of its replies. * What information is valuable to you when the focus is placed on the parent comment in a thread? * What information is valuable to you when the focus is placed on a reply comment in a thread? Navigating through comment threads In collapsed cards: The up and down arrows go from one comment thread in the list to another comment thread. The right arrow expands the current comment thread and puts focus on the parent. In an expanded card: The up and down arrows go between the parent and replies within the thread. Right arrow goes through all the replies and when it is invoked after the last reply it collapses the current card and expands the next card putting focus on the parent. When the card is expanded a left arrow action collapses the current card and puts focus on the collapsed thread. This follows tree structure paradigms, does this feel like the right paradigm to you? Questions about the focus order in collapsed comment thread: A collapsed comment thread contains a snippet preview of the parent comment, a "view X more replies" button, a snippet preview of the latest reply, a "..." (more actions) menu which contains an option to delete the thread, and a reply box so the thread can be directly replied to. Our current focus order (using tab) is: 1. Comment thread 2. "View X more replies" button 3. The ... (more actions) menu (which contains delete and resolve thread) * Related, any suggestions on the accessible name for this menu? 4. The reply box Does this feel relevant and make sense to you? Is there anything we can improve on? Questions about the focus order in an expanded comment thread : An expanded comment thread contains the parent comment, and all the replies. On the parent item is a "..." (more actions) menu which contains a delete thread and resolve thread option. At the bottom of the card is a reply box. When the card is expanded, focus is automatically put on the parent comment. A user can up/down arrow to the reply comments in the thread. Tabbing away from a parent or reply comment retains selection so shift tab will put focus back on the reply or parent comment that was selected. Our current focus order (using tab) is: 1. The parent comment or a reply comment (whatever is selected in the thread) 2. The "..." (more actions) menu which contains delete and resolve thread 3. The "Edit" button for the parent or reply comment 4. The "delete" button if selection is on a reply comment Does this feel right to you? Do you have enough context for which comment will be edited or deleted when you would invoke the button? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Your inquiry is directed to the right > individual/team. > > > > And Erin Williams from the eDAD shared that top Microsoft Officials > receive a summary of concerns brought of through this channel on a daily or > weekly basis. > > > > Best, > > > > *KRISTA GREEAR* > > Assistant Director > > Disability Resources for Students > > > > 011 Mary Gates Hall > > Box 352808 > Seattle, WA 98195-2808 > > Direct: 206.221.4136 <(206)%20221-4136> / Main: 206.543.8924 > <(206)%20543-8924> > > greeark@uw.edu/ http://disability.uw.edu > > [image: cid:image001.gif@01D33387.742D8C60] > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Jayme Johnson California Community Colleges Online Education Initiative www.ccconlineed.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Jennifer Author discusses his new book on disability and higher education https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/12/07/author-discusses-his-new-book-disability-and-higher-education From todd-weissenberger at uiowa.edu Tue Dec 12 12:30:45 2017 From: todd-weissenberger at uiowa.edu (Weissenberger, Todd M) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] 3rd party IT accessibility testing Message-ID: Colleagues, I would like to hear about your experiences with 3rd party accessibility testing services. Some starter questions: * For what product(s) did you choose 3rd party testing? * Who did you choose, and why? * What were the costs and benefits? * Why did you choose 3rd party testing over in-house? * At what scope did you seek out the testing (enterprise-wide, public-facing, big lecture, other?) * How were other stakeholders involved, if any? * Would you do it again? It's certainly ok to name names, but only if you want to. Best regards, Todd T.M. 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Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mstores at indiana.edu Wed Dec 13 14:04:38 2017 From: mstores at indiana.edu (Stores, Mary A.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Digital Signage, Four Winds in particular In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f8f601d409b4cbd8137a4f0bb5c48e5@bl-cci-exch02.ads.iu.edu> Hello, Some campuses are starting to use Aira. It is a Google glass or some other glasses that connects through the smart phone to a specially-trained agent. There are students who are blind on the Indianapolis campus who use Aira to get around construction, read handouts, and go shopping. There is a special fee for universities. I believe all the students get unlimited access. Agents are currently available 18 hours a day to US and Canadian residents. Though I am no longer a student I also love Aira. https://aira.io/ If you watch the video and the agent is helping that guy find his friend at a restaurant by looking at the Facebook pic, that feature doesn?t exist yet. Everything else can be done though. Mary From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 4:54 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Digital Signage, Four Winds in particular I feel like I've asked this question before so my apologies if I'm repeating myself. I'm wondering how other campuses are handing the accessibility of digital signage on campus, including streamed content, way-finding information and other information displayed on digital signage throughout campus? We use Four Winds and they don't seem to even have the capability to provide captions when they display streaming content from 3rd party sources such as cable-news. Any info anyone can provide will be greatly appreciated. -Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? 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It is a Google glass or some other > glasses that connects through the smart phone to a specially-trained agent. > There are students who are blind on the Indianapolis campus who use Aira to > get around construction, read handouts, and go shopping. There is a special > fee for universities. I believe all the students get unlimited access. > Agents are currently available 18 hours a day to US and Canadian residents. > Though I am no longer a student I also love Aira. https://aira.io/ > > > > If you watch the video and the agent is helping that guy find his friend > at a restaurant by looking at the Facebook pic, that feature doesn?t exist > yet. Everything else can be done though. > > > > Mary > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Howard Kramer > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 13, 2017 4:54 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Accessibility of Digital Signage, Four Winds in > particular > > > > I feel like I've asked this question before so my apologies if I'm > repeating myself. > > > > I'm wondering how other campuses are handing the accessibility of digital > signage on campus, including streamed content, way-finding information and > other information displayed on digital signage throughout campus? > > > > We use Four Winds and they don't seem to even have the capability to > provide captions when they display streaming content from 3rd party sources > such as cable-news. > > > > Any info anyone can provide will be greatly appreciated. > > > > -Howard > > > > -- > > Howard Kramer > > Conference Coordinator > > Accessing Higher Ground > > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> > > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> > > > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, > 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! > * And the *Technology > Access Series *. > Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your > earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Wed Dec 13 15:52:42 2017 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Digital Signage, Four Winds in particular In-Reply-To: References: <7f8f601d409b4cbd8137a4f0bb5c48e5@bl-cci-exch02.ads.iu.edu> Message-ID: The free Be My Eyes app on iPhone is similar to AIRA.IO. However, the assistants are all voluntary and the iPhone is the camera piece used by the blind person. I?m a sighted volunteer who can identify something that the blind person needs help with. I rarely get a call because there are so many volunteers. I can?t imagine that this service would be too helpful for what you are talking about Howard. It is good to get your opinion on Four Winds since we are also looking at solutions for digital signage as well. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:37 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility of Digital Signage, Four Winds in particular Thanks Mary. Sounds interesting. -Howard On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Stores, Mary A. > wrote: Hello, Some campuses are starting to use Aira. It is a Google glass or some other glasses that connects through the smart phone to a specially-trained agent. There are students who are blind on the Indianapolis campus who use Aira to get around construction, read handouts, and go shopping. There is a special fee for universities. I believe all the students get unlimited access. Agents are currently available 18 hours a day to US and Canadian residents. Though I am no longer a student I also love Aira. https://aira.io/ If you watch the video and the agent is helping that guy find his friend at a restaurant by looking at the Facebook pic, that feature doesn?t exist yet. Everything else can be done though. Mary From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 4:54 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Digital Signage, Four Winds in particular I feel like I've asked this question before so my apologies if I'm repeating myself. I'm wondering how other campuses are handing the accessibility of digital signage on campus, including streamed content, way-finding information and other information displayed on digital signage throughout campus? We use Four Winds and they don't seem to even have the capability to provide captions when they display streaming content from 3rd party sources such as cable-news. Any info anyone can provide will be greatly appreciated. -Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. 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Jon Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. Coordinator Accessible IT Group Disability Resources and Education Services College of Applied Health Sciences University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign E-mail: jongund@illinois.edu WWW: http://disability.illinois.edu/academic-support/aitg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Shaun.Hegney at sfcc.spokane.edu Fri Dec 15 11:43:48 2017 From: Shaun.Hegney at sfcc.spokane.edu (Hegney, Shaun) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] Article: How a Blind Student Who Felt Locked Out of STEM Classes Challenged and Changed Her University In-Reply-To: References: <9B58408E-9C81-4E47-AAB6-4EFD90CEACF8@illinois.edu> Message-ID: This is an excellent article and I think it highlights an important issue. Instruction needs new prospective are a good thing. That pedagogy and yes accessibility matter in a course. From the article ?Faculty make the decisions of what they use in the classroom based on what the faculty think is the best way to do that teaching, as opposed to an outside source telling them that material related to their course work is inaccessible for use,? says Dehner. The article also mentioned a problem with disability experts putting the law first over an idea of cultural change. However, from what I have seen in my limited prospective, cultural change is meet with even more hostility than citing a legal requirement. I think if higher education is going to be more accessible we have to overturn this idea, there is one way to things and that is it. In addition, more than just instruction having input on course design would be a good start. Interested in her thoughts from others on this story. Shaun Hegney Program Specialist 2 Disability Support Services Spokane Falls Community College (509)-533-3544 Shaun.Hegney@sfcc.spokane.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Gunderson, Jon R Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 7:19 AM To: Access Network Subject: [Athen] Article: How a Blind Student Who Felt Locked Out of STEM Classes Challenged and Changed Her University I was sent this link this morning and though it would be of interest to other people on this list: How a Blind Student Who Felt Locked Out of STEM Classes Challenged and Changed Her University https://www.edsurge.com/news/2017-12-08-how-a-blind-student-who-felt-locked-out-of-stem-classes-challenged-and-changed-her-university The short article discusses both the legal issues of accessibility and cultural issues of accepting people with disabilities. Jon Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. Coordinator Accessible IT Group Disability Resources and Education Services College of Applied Health Sciences University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign E-mail: jongund@illinois.edu WWW: http://disability.illinois.edu/academic-support/aitg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Fri Dec 15 13:06:16 2017 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] Article: How a Blind Student Who Felt Locked Out of STEM Classes Challenged and Changed Her University In-Reply-To: References: <9B58408E-9C81-4E47-AAB6-4EFD90CEACF8@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I think we have to be careful with threatening faculty with the law and having an abrasive attitude. Sure, it would seem natural that people should want to accept everyone in their classes, but sometimes for a professor to change how they're teaching their course is very overwhelming and I can understand how they might feel. When I was in college, (I am blind), I approached each of my professors constructively and explained what they could do to ensure that I got the most out of the course. I never mentioned the law or my rights under the same. This method worked 99% of the time. Sure, there was a case or two where I had to step up the pressure, but my point is that we need to approach it from a different angle, such as teaching faculty how to modify their course to include all students, universal design, and not just throwing the law at them. I can tell you for sure if you show up and tell me how I'm going to change how I've been doing things for years, with a demanding tone, I'm probably not going to react in a favorable way. Additionally, we don't want people to be afraid of having students with disabilities in their classes. It sounds like Emily did what she could to work with her faculty and filed the complaint as a last resort. To me, this is completely appropriate. I only file complaints when nothing else has worked. On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Hegney, Shaun < Shaun.Hegney@sfcc.spokane.edu> wrote: > This is an excellent article and I think it highlights an important > issue. Instruction needs new prospective are a good thing. That pedagogy > and yes accessibility matter in a course. > > > > From the article > > > > ?Faculty make the decisions of what they use in the classroom based on > what the faculty think is the best way to do that teaching, as opposed to > an outside source telling them that material related to their course work > is inaccessible for use,? says Dehner. > > > > The article also mentioned a problem with disability experts putting the > law first over an idea of cultural change. However, from what I have seen > in my limited prospective, cultural change is meet with even more hostility > than citing a legal requirement. > > > > I think if higher education is going to be more accessible we have to > overturn this idea, there is one way to things and that is it. In addition, > more than just instruction having input on course design would be a good > start. > > > > Interested in her thoughts from others on this story. > > > > > > > > *Shaun Hegney* > > *Program Specialist 2* > > Disability Support Services > > Spokane Falls Community College > > (509)-533-3544 <(509)%20533-3544> > > Shaun.Hegney@sfcc.spokane.edu > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Gunderson, Jon R > *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2017 7:19 AM > *To:* Access Network > *Subject:* [Athen] Article: How a Blind Student Who Felt Locked Out of > STEM Classes Challenged and Changed Her University > > > > I was sent this link this morning and though it would be of interest to > other people on this list: > > > > How a Blind Student Who Felt Locked Out of STEM Classes Challenged and > Changed Her University > > https://www.edsurge.com/news/2017-12-08-how-a-blind- > student-who-felt-locked-out-of-stem-classes-challenged- > and-changed-her-university > > > > The short article discusses both the legal issues of accessibility and > cultural issues of accepting people with disabilities. > > > > Jon > > > > > > Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. > > Coordinator > > Accessible IT Group > > Disability Resources and Education Services > > College of Applied Health Sciences > > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign > > > > E-mail: jongund@illinois.edu > > WWW: http://disability.illinois.edu/academic-support/aitg > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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A student who is blind has been accepted to my school and is very interested in coming, this is great news! However, my institution is not used to working with students who are blind. Also, his attendance will require some additional staffing as we'll likely need another staff member for at least 15 hours a week who will primarily help format documents like class notes and exams so he and his refreshable braille display can best access them. He is also asking for assistance as needed with formatting research papers that require footnotes and such. Luckily, he is not interested in being a STEM major so there won't be too many STEM books he will need, but the amount of formatting he'll require help with will be substantial, I am sure, especially since professors here are not used to making accessible documents. I have a few questions, especially to any assistive technology or alternative media specialists: How much time do you spend formatting educational materials per class per week for one student who is blind? Is my 15 hours/week estimate safe or not enough? How much time in advance did you request class notes from professors? What about textbooks? Did you have to write a proposal to require additional staffing to meet a similar need? How did it go? Thanks! Adam Adam Kosakowski Director of Student Accessibility Services (SAS) Clark University Preferred pronouns: he/him/his Phone: 508-798-4368 Fax: 508-421-3700 SAS is in room 430 of the Goddard Library To make an appointment, please call the office or stop by! Student Accessibility Services website Diversability meets every Wednesday at 4 p.m. in room 402 of Goddard Library, come by! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Mon Dec 18 08:02:29 2017 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] A student who is blind has been accepted! Advice? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Adam, My answer to this one is "it depends." We have one blind student this semester and she takes up varying amounts of time depending on which classes she is taking. Sometimes there are dozens of tactile renditions, others we needed a 3D printer, some semesters it's just a matter of converting textbooks. It also depends on how savvy your instructors are in producing accessible material. Fifteen hours sounds minimal to me but if others can jump in and help during the busy times, it might work. It also depends on how much of an expert you hire and how easily you can outsource if necessary. Is your institution a member of Access Text Network and do you use Learning Ally and Bookshare regularly? There is so much to consider. I look at the syllabus at the beginning of the course and ask the student to come in and we look at the handouts on the LMS ahead of time. If she can't get to some of them, we start working with the Prof to give us their copies so we can convert them. They don't usually take long if they are just text...but that is not always the case. If the instructor is making continual mistakes in creating handouts, quizzes and homework, I try to bring them in for some training on how to make accessible material. This takes a little finesse and you have to expect them to resist but if you are gentle, they can be coaxed into becoming UDL champions. :) Good luck! Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Adam Kosakowski Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 8:27 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] A student who is blind has been accepted! Advice? Hello wise list-ers! A student who is blind has been accepted to my school and is very interested in coming, this is great news! However, my institution is not used to working with students who are blind. Also, his attendance will require some additional staffing as we'll likely need another staff member for at least 15 hours a week who will primarily help format documents like class notes and exams so he and his refreshable braille display can best access them. He is also asking for assistance as needed with formatting research papers that require footnotes and such. Luckily, he is not interested in being a STEM major so there won't be too many STEM books he will need, but the amount of formatting he'll require help with will be substantial, I am sure, especially since professors here are not used to making accessible documents. I have a few questions, especially to any assistive technology or alternative media specialists: How much time do you spend formatting educational materials per class per week for one student who is blind? Is my 15 hours/week estimate safe or not enough? How much time in advance did you request class notes from professors? What about textbooks? Did you have to write a proposal to require additional staffing to meet a similar need? How did it go? Thanks! Adam Adam Kosakowski Director of Student Accessibility Services (SAS) Clark University Preferred pronouns: he/him/his Phone: 508-798-4368 Fax: 508-421-3700 SAS is in room 430 of the Goddard Library To make an appointment, please call the office or stop by! Student Accessibility Services website Diversability meets every Wednesday at 4 p.m. in room 402 of Goddard Library, come by! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15239 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From adietrich at cornell.edu Mon Dec 18 08:05:37 2017 From: adietrich at cornell.edu (Andrea L. Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] A student who is blind has been accepted! Advice? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Based on my limited experience, I would say 15 hours a week is NOT enough, especially if you're going to be doing any math or other STEM content (even if they're not a major, they will probably have "core courses" to take their first or second year. I've been working for a student who isn't using Braille, just enlarged documents, and it still took up a good half my hours each week. I would estimate 20 hours minimum, possibly more since you'll have a learning curve. I'm going to forward your info to my supervisor, who has a ton more experience than I do providing Braille materials (he's not on this mailing list, as far as I know). Good luck! -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Adam Kosakowski Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 10:27 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] A student who is blind has been accepted! Advice? Hello wise list-ers! A student who is blind has been accepted to my school and is very interested in coming, this is great news! However, my institution is not used to working with students who are blind. Also, his attendance will require some additional staffing as we'll likely need another staff member for at least 15 hours a week who will primarily help format documents like class notes and exams so he and his refreshable braille display can best access them. He is also asking for assistance as needed with formatting research papers that require footnotes and such. Luckily, he is not interested in being a STEM major so there won't be too many STEM books he will need, but the amount of formatting he'll require help with will be substantial, I am sure, especially since professors here are not used to making accessible documents. I have a few questions, especially to any assistive technology or alternative media specialists: How much time do you spend formatting educational materials per class per week for one student who is blind? Is my 15 hours/week estimate safe or not enough? How much time in advance did you request class notes from professors? What about textbooks? Did you have to write a proposal to require additional staffing to meet a similar need? How did it go? Thanks! Adam Adam Kosakowski Director of Student Accessibility Services (SAS) Clark University Preferred pronouns: he/him/his Phone: 508-798-4368 Fax: 508-421-3700 SAS is in room 430 of the Goddard Library To make an appointment, please call the office or stop by! Student Accessibility Services website Diversability meets every Wednesday at 4 p.m. in room 402 of Goddard Library, come by! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adietrich at cornell.edu Mon Dec 18 08:11:23 2017 From: adietrich at cornell.edu (Andrea L. Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] A student who is blind has been accepted! Advice? References: Message-ID: Oh, and I second Bookshare, in particular. They have many (possibly all?) of their books available in a Braille-ready format, so you wouldn't necessarily have to do any conversion on those. You may also want to get a tactile printer, so you can print raised graphics. For example, http://www.rnib.org.uk/insight-online/making-tactile-graphs-and-diagrams has a picture of one that looks like the same printer our office has. Again, I haven't used it myself, but my supervisor will hopefully have lots of advice for you. :) -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM From: Andrea L. Dietrich Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 11:05 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: RE: A student who is blind has been accepted! Advice? Based on my limited experience, I would say 15 hours a week is NOT enough, especially if you're going to be doing any math or other STEM content (even if they're not a major, they will probably have "core courses" to take their first or second year. I've been working for a student who isn't using Braille, just enlarged documents, and it still took up a good half my hours each week. I would estimate 20 hours minimum, possibly more since you'll have a learning curve. I'm going to forward your info to my supervisor, who has a ton more experience than I do providing Braille materials (he's not on this mailing list, as far as I know). Good luck! -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Adam Kosakowski Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 10:27 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] A student who is blind has been accepted! Advice? Hello wise list-ers! A student who is blind has been accepted to my school and is very interested in coming, this is great news! However, my institution is not used to working with students who are blind. Also, his attendance will require some additional staffing as we'll likely need another staff member for at least 15 hours a week who will primarily help format documents like class notes and exams so he and his refreshable braille display can best access them. He is also asking for assistance as needed with formatting research papers that require footnotes and such. Luckily, he is not interested in being a STEM major so there won't be too many STEM books he will need, but the amount of formatting he'll require help with will be substantial, I am sure, especially since professors here are not used to making accessible documents. I have a few questions, especially to any assistive technology or alternative media specialists: How much time do you spend formatting educational materials per class per week for one student who is blind? Is my 15 hours/week estimate safe or not enough? How much time in advance did you request class notes from professors? What about textbooks? Did you have to write a proposal to require additional staffing to meet a similar need? How did it go? Thanks! Adam Adam Kosakowski Director of Student Accessibility Services (SAS) Clark University Preferred pronouns: he/him/his Phone: 508-798-4368 Fax: 508-421-3700 SAS is in room 430 of the Goddard Library To make an appointment, please call the office or stop by! Student Accessibility Services website Diversability meets every Wednesday at 4 p.m. in room 402 of Goddard Library, come by! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Our Disability Services office is evaluating whether or not we should or need to hold an institutional membership with Learning Ally. My questions to you are: 1. Does your Disability Services office or university actively promote Learning Ally for use by students with alternative format accommodations? Why or why not? 2. Does your Disability Services office or university supply a Learning Ally membership to student with qualifying disabilities? 3. Does your Disability Services office or university have an institutional membership through Learning Ally? For some added context... We have about 200 students with alternative format accommodations, of which only around 10-15 have a visual disability. The remaining students have dyslexia, other learning disabilities, ADHD or physical disabilities. We've traditionally shared Learning Ally with our students, but I've found with better training and support using text-to-speech with quality e-text files - students are gravitating toward TTS options. Any and all thoughts are welcomed! --- Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Services | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fontainep at cua.edu Tue Dec 19 12:20:53 2017 From: fontainep at cua.edu (Paul Fontaine) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] VERY Large print? Message-ID: I just got a request for "large print" versions of textbooks on 22? X 34? paper. I have never heard of that. The most we can do in house is 11"x17". Is anyone making print that large? 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Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Fontaine Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:21 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] VERY Large print? I just got a request for "large print" versions of textbooks on 22? X 34? paper. I have never heard of that. The most we can do in house is 11"x17". Is anyone making print that large? If so, how do you do it? Is that a "reasonable" request? -- Paul Fontaine, MCat The Catholic University of America Assistant Director Disability Support Services 620 Michigan Av., NE 127 Pryzbyla Center Washington DC 20064 202-319-5211 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adietrich at cornell.edu Tue Dec 19 12:32:27 2017 From: adietrich at cornell.edu (Andrea L. Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] VERY Large print? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did they mean centimeters, maybe? That's approximately 8 ? x 13 inches if they were talking about centimeters. -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] VERY Large print? How the heck would the student even manage that size paper, dragging it around to class, etc.? I would offer re-sizable electronic text and talk to the person about potential technology that can be used to enlarge on the fly. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Fontaine Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:21 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] VERY Large print? I just got a request for "large print" versions of textbooks on 22? X 34? paper. I have never heard of that. The most we can do in house is 11"x17". Is anyone making print that large? If so, how do you do it? Is that a "reasonable" request? -- Paul Fontaine, MCat The Catholic University of America Assistant Director Disability Support Services 620 Michigan Av., NE 127 Pryzbyla Center Washington DC 20064 202-319-5211 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Tue Dec 19 12:44:22 2017 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] VERY Large print? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2340EB@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> I agree with Susan. That size would be very hard to manage. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] VERY Large print? How the heck would the student even manage that size paper, dragging it around to class, etc.? I would offer re-sizable electronic text and talk to the person about potential technology that can be used to enlarge on the fly. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Fontaine Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:21 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] VERY Large print? I just got a request for "large print" versions of textbooks on 22? X 34? paper. I have never heard of that. The most we can do in house is 11"x17". Is anyone making print that large? If so, how do you do it? Is that a "reasonable" request? -- Paul Fontaine, MCat The Catholic University of America Assistant Director Disability Support Services 620 Michigan Av., NE 127 Pryzbyla Center Washington DC 20064 202-319-5211 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Tue Dec 19 12:54:58 2017 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] Learning Ally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E234124@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Justin, I'll insert my responses. 1. Does your Disability Services office or university actively promote Learning Ally for use by students with alternative format accommodations? Why or why not? I tell students about Learning Ally and Bookshare so they will know their options. I explain the difference in the formats they offer. 2. Does your Disability Services office or university supply a Learning Ally membership to student with qualifying disabilities? We have in the past paid for a student membership for the first year so they can try Learning Ally to see if it works. This is usually due to a financial hardship on the part of the student. If they like it and want to continue the membership, then they have to pay for it. If they do not want to continue the membership, then we provide books through other means. 3. Does your Disability Services office or university have an institutional membership through Learning Ally? No. I prefer students have their own. This helps them take responsibility for their own account and leaves me out of the loop. It also teaches them independence. For some added context... We have about 200 students with alternative format accommodations, of which only around 10-15 have a visual disability. The remaining students have dyslexia, other learning disabilities, ADHD or physical disabilities. Bookshare is a good resource for any student with a print related disability. As a student, they can get a free account. I've directed many students to that source and it has worked well for most of them. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Justin Romack Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:26 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Learning Ally Sorry in advance for the cross posting... Our Disability Services office is evaluating whether or not we should or need to hold an institutional membership with Learning Ally. My questions to you are: 1. Does your Disability Services office or university actively promote Learning Ally for use by students with alternative format accommodations? Why or why not? 2. Does your Disability Services office or university supply a Learning Ally membership to student with qualifying disabilities? 3. Does your Disability Services office or university have an institutional membership through Learning Ally? For some added context... We have about 200 students with alternative format accommodations, of which only around 10-15 have a visual disability. The remaining students have dyslexia, other learning disabilities, ADHD or physical disabilities. We've traditionally shared Learning Ally with our students, but I've found with better training and support using text-to-speech with quality e-text files - students are gravitating toward TTS options. Any and all thoughts are welcomed! --- Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Services | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Tue Dec 19 14:42:33 2017 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] VERY Large print? In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2340EB@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2340EB@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: Ditto Susan and Andrea. Students need to get used to digital text. At some point, they may have to switch to audio or tactile renditions when portable magnification gets beyond reasonable. Carrying a small device with electronic text which can be magnified could be their new norm. That or a powerful magnifier. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:44 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] VERY Large print? I agree with Susan. That size would be very hard to manage. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] VERY Large print? How the heck would the student even manage that size paper, dragging it around to class, etc.? I would offer re-sizable electronic text and talk to the person about potential technology that can be used to enlarge on the fly. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Fontaine Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:21 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] VERY Large print? I just got a request for "large print" versions of textbooks on 22? X 34? paper. I have never heard of that. The most we can do in house is 11"x17". Is anyone making print that large? If so, how do you do it? 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I may have to rethink that in the future! Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:55 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Learning Ally Justin, I'll insert my responses. 1. Does your Disability Services office or university actively promote Learning Ally for use by students with alternative format accommodations? Why or why not? I tell students about Learning Ally and Bookshare so they will know their options. I explain the difference in the formats they offer. 2. Does your Disability Services office or university supply a Learning Ally membership to student with qualifying disabilities? We have in the past paid for a student membership for the first year so they can try Learning Ally to see if it works. This is usually due to a financial hardship on the part of the student. If they like it and want to continue the membership, then they have to pay for it. If they do not want to continue the membership, then we provide books through other means. 3. Does your Disability Services office or university have an institutional membership through Learning Ally? No. I prefer students have their own. This helps them take responsibility for their own account and leaves me out of the loop. It also teaches them independence. For some added context... We have about 200 students with alternative format accommodations, of which only around 10-15 have a visual disability. The remaining students have dyslexia, other learning disabilities, ADHD or physical disabilities. Bookshare is a good resource for any student with a print related disability. As a student, they can get a free account. I've directed many students to that source and it has worked well for most of them. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Justin Romack Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:26 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Learning Ally Sorry in advance for the cross posting... Our Disability Services office is evaluating whether or not we should or need to hold an institutional membership with Learning Ally. My questions to you are: 1. Does your Disability Services office or university actively promote Learning Ally for use by students with alternative format accommodations? Why or why not? 2. Does your Disability Services office or university supply a Learning Ally membership to student with qualifying disabilities? 3. Does your Disability Services office or university have an institutional membership through Learning Ally? For some added context... We have about 200 students with alternative format accommodations, of which only around 10-15 have a visual disability. The remaining students have dyslexia, other learning disabilities, ADHD or physical disabilities. We've traditionally shared Learning Ally with our students, but I've found with better training and support using text-to-speech with quality e-text files - students are gravitating toward TTS options. Any and all thoughts are welcomed! --- Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Services | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15239 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From zm290 at msstate.edu Tue Dec 19 15:10:43 2017 From: zm290 at msstate.edu (Zach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] Learning Ally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008701d3791e$a038c090$e0aa41b0$@msstate.edu> Just putting this out there, I know that Learning Ally has services for the dyslexic. Zachary Mason M.S. Student Animal and Dairy Sciences Mississippi State University From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Justin Romack Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:26 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Learning Ally Sorry in advance for the cross posting. Our Disability Services office is evaluating whether or not we should or need to hold an institutional membership with Learning Ally. My questions to you are: 1. Does your Disability Services office or university actively promote Learning Ally for use by students with alternative format accommodations? Why or why not? 2. Does your Disability Services office or university supply a Learning Ally membership to student with qualifying disabilities? 3. Does your Disability Services office or university have an institutional membership through Learning Ally? For some added context. We have about 200 students with alternative format accommodations, of which only around 10-15 have a visual disability. The remaining students have dyslexia, other learning disabilities, ADHD or physical disabilities. We've traditionally shared Learning Ally with our students, but I've found with better training and support using text-to-speech with quality e-text files - students are gravitating toward TTS options. Any and all thoughts are welcomed! --- Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Services | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krasul at columbiabasin.edu Tue Dec 19 23:14:57 2017 From: krasul at columbiabasin.edu (Rasul, Kamran) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] Learning Ally In-Reply-To: <008701d3791e$a038c090$e0aa41b0$@msstate.edu> References: <008701d3791e$a038c090$e0aa41b0$@msstate.edu> Message-ID: It depends on the number of books are already available for our students. The challenge has been for us, with the speed at which textbook get their edition changed, where information is added or removed and hence changing the page locations, etc. It is difficult to justify learning ally as a viable option. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Zach Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:11 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Learning Ally Just putting this out there, I know that Learning Ally has services for the dyslexic. Zachary Mason M.S. Student Animal and Dairy Sciences Mississippi State University From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Justin Romack Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:26 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Learning Ally Sorry in advance for the cross posting... Our Disability Services office is evaluating whether or not we should or need to hold an institutional membership with Learning Ally. My questions to you are: 1. Does your Disability Services office or university actively promote Learning Ally for use by students with alternative format accommodations? Why or why not? 2. Does your Disability Services office or university supply a Learning Ally membership to student with qualifying disabilities? 3. Does your Disability Services office or university have an institutional membership through Learning Ally? For some added context... 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Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Adjunct Professor College of Health, Education & Professional Studies The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 108 University Center 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc A member of the Division of Student Development -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thaddeus.nelson at stonybrook.edu Thu Dec 21 09:15:39 2017 From: thaddeus.nelson at stonybrook.edu (Thaddeus Nelson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] Livescribe 3 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Is the shared drive a physical drive (e.g. an external hard drive). In most cases, a shared drive would be something that is connected to multiple computers over the network. If it is a shared network drive it is the cloud. Unless the drive is physically hooked up to a computer, it has the same potential risks as any network device. Although steps can be taken to restrict access, the safest option would be able to conceptually treat any shared device as something potentially anyone could access without the user's knowledge. Thaddeus Nelson On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Kluesner, Bryon wrote: > HI all, I have a staff member on campus who has a personal Livescribe 3 > pen and a work Livescribe 3 pen. She wanted to know if there was a way to > synch the pen to her work computer, to her University shared drive, but not > to the Cloud due to security reasons. She has her personal pen synched to > the Cloud, but is concerned to synch her work pen to the could because of > the sensitive nature of her job (she?s a victim advocate) and doesn?t want > notes from meetings on the Cloud. > > > > Any suggestions if you can understand what I mean with the above message? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bryon > > > > *Bryon Kluesner, RhD* > > *Adaptive Technology Coordinator* > > *Disability Resource Center* > > *Adjunct Professor* > > *College of Health, Education & Professional Studies* > > *The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga* > 108 University Center > 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 > > Chattanooga, TN 37403 > > > > (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc > > > *A member of the **Division of Student Development* > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jennifer The Neglected Demographic: Faculty Members With Disabilities http://www.chronicle.com/article/The-Neglected-Demographic-/240439/ From jiatyan at stanford.edu Fri Dec 22 11:54:55 2017 From: jiatyan at stanford.edu (Jiatyan Chen) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] DOJ Nixes All Pending ADA Rulemakings, Including Website Access Rules Message-ID: https://www.adatitleiii.com/2017/12/doj-nixes-all-pending-ada-rulemakings-including-website-access-rules/ Seyfarth Synopsis: The Justice Department withdraws pending rulemakings for accessible websites, furniture and non-fixed equipment. From jsuttondc at gmail.com Fri Dec 22 17:54:04 2017 From: jsuttondc at gmail.com (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] DOJ Nixes All Pending ADA Rulemakings, Including Website Access Rules ADA Title III Message-ID: <5a79aa1f-8b10-1a1b-a9be-2e0d2aa6c7aa@gmail.com> Greetings, ATHENites: With apologies for any cross-posting. Jennifer DOJ Nixes All Pending ADA Rulemakings, Including Website Access Rules? ADA Title III https://www.adatitleiii.com/2017/12/doj-nixes-all-pending-ada-rulemakings-including-website-access-rules/ From tft at uw.edu Fri Dec 29 16:39:58 2017 From: tft at uw.edu (Terrill Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] WebAIM Screen Reader User Survey #7 Message-ID: Hi All, WebAIM has (somewhat quietly) released the results of their latest screen reader user survey: https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/ Happy New Year! Terrill --- Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology University of Washington tft@uw.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: