[Athen] Windows 10 updates & unpredictability
Wink Harner
foreigntype at gmail.com
Tue Dec 5 14:47:52 PST 2017
Thank you, Hadi. Getting MS's attention on these concerns is very helpful.
Keep us posted if you get some fixes or news on updates.
Blessings,
Wink
Wink Harner, Foreigntype * Adaptive Technology consulting & training.
Alternative Text conversion * Portland OR
On Dec 5, 2017 2:27 PM, "Hadi Rangin" <hadir at uw.edu> wrote:
> I forwarded your feedback/complaints about Windows Update and
> unpredictable outcome after update to our Microsoft contacts after removing
> all the identifiable information; so no names, e-mail or contact info.
>
> I am planning to have a conversation with the Windows team within the next
> weeks/months to discuss the issues.
>
> I’ll let you know if something comes out of it.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hadi
>
>
>
> *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Anna Marie Golden
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2017 1:50 PM
> *To:* athen-list at u.washington.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 143, Issue 3
>
>
>
> **
>
> *EVERY TIME* Windows 10 updates, it messes everything up. I found a hack
> online somewhere so I could get it stop automatically installing the
> updates.
>
>
> Now when the dialog pops up because there's an update, I dismiss it, It
> still opens the update window but I can just close it now instead of
> waiting for the update to complete. It's annoying but it beats Windows
> updating whenever it wants to.
>
> I'm actually afraid to do anymore Windows 10 updates. I keep dismissing
> them because installing them means I end up having to google all sorts of
> things to get everything back to the way it was. Sometimes I can't get it
> back to the way it was because they remove useful features that give users
> choices outside of the Microsoft ecosystem. I never know what to expect
> from an update and it has cost time and productivity every single time I've
> allowed an update to happen.
>
> I'm really disappointed in Windows 10 overall. It's too controlling.
> They created it more like a home version, forcing settings and security I
> don't want. And the way they made the updates work is ridiculous. Nothing
> like standing in front of a room of people, ready to give a presentation
> when Windows 10 decides to update on its own...
>
>
>
> --Anna Marie
>
> (First name = "Anna Marie")
>
>
>
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> 1. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Krista Greear)
> 2. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Susan Kelmer)
> 3. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Howard Kramer)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 20:12:40 +0000
> From: Krista Greear <greeark at uw.edu>
> To: "chagnon at pubcom.com" <chagnon at pubcom.com>, "Access Technology
> Higher Education Network" <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?
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> Some things I shared with my office after upgrading 40 computers to
> Windows 10 this summer.
>
>
> ? Stop folders from being added to Quick Access
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4027032/windows-
> pin-remove-and-customize-in-quick-access
>
> ? I turned off animations when I was typing:
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-off-Office-
> animations-9EE5C4D2-D144-4FD2-B670-22CEF9FA025A
>
> ? Made the cursor bigger: https://www.isunshare.com/
> windows-10/3-ways-to-change-mouse-pointer-size-and-color-
> in-windows-10.html
>
> ? Turn off Outlook email desktop notifications:
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-new-message-
> alert-pop-up-on-or-off-9940c70e-b306-442e-a856-d94b20318481.
>
> ? Changed colors
>
> o Right click on desktop
>
> o Select Personalize
>
> o Select Colors on left side
>
> o Pick your color then turn on the ?Show color on Start, taskbar, action
> center, and title bar? and ?Make Start, taskbar, and action center
> transparent? options at the bottom
>
> ? Making Adobe the Default Pdf Reader
>
> o Hit the windows key and search ?Default Programs?
>
> o Scroll down and select ?choose default apps by file type?
>
> o Scroll down to .pdf, click the icon, and select Adobe Acrobat.
>
> o Exit out, you?re done!
> Krista
>
> KRISTA GREEAR
> Assistant Director
> Disability Resources for Students
>
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> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Chagnon | PubCom
> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 10:15 AM
> To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?
>
> Not only is this a royal P I T A for everyone, but it?s also an ADA issue
> and the community should file a formal complaint with DOJ?s ADA office.
>
> Adobe is not able to stop Microsoft from hijacking the PDF file format?s
> default software.
>
> In theory, all users should be able to set their default preferences for
> any file format, and the OS (namely Apple and Microsoft) should respect the
> user?s choice. There was an anti-trust lawsuit in the 1990s with Microsoft
> about something very similar.
>
> Since then, we now that we have Sec. 508 in place and I think a stronger
> case can be built on ADA violations. Edge is not fully accessible and
> provides an inferior user experience for those using A T.
>
> Any accessibility lawyers out there who want to fight this?
>
> --Bevi Chagnon
>
> ? ? ?
> ? ? ?
> Bevi Chagnon | www.PubCom.com<http://www.PubCom.com>
> Technologists for Accessible Design and Publishing
> print ? digital ? web ? documents ? pdfs ? epubs
> consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services
> ? ? ?
>
>
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Howard Kramer
> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:02 PM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?
>
> Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's
> a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are
> continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to
> a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest
> driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and
> then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to
> start all over again.
>
> Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the
> registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so
> frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S
> until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about
> 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday.
>
> -Howard
>
>
>
> --
> Howard Kramer
> Conference Coordinator
> Accessing Higher Ground
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> From: Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?
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> I have been using Windows 10 against my will for the last year on my
> personal laptop. After a year, I still hate it with the passion of a
> thousand burning suns. Maybe more than a thousand.
>
> They broke what worked. The start menu is a freaking joke, it puts
> whatever it wants there instead of what I am actually using all the time.
> The only way for me to open programs now is to windows-button then type in
> the program I?m looking for. I used to be able to click the most used ones
> or at least select them with windows key and my up or down arrow keys, but
> no more. The preview feature that works so well on Windows 7, on Windows
> 10 is combined with the little ?show all/hide all? spot in the lower left
> corner, and of course my mouse ends up down there all the time, hiding all
> my windows even if I?m actively typing. So I had to turn off the preview
> of the taskbar in order to fix that but now I don?t have the previews I
> used to count on to figure out which task bar button to open (I usually
> have the task bar pretty full of open programs. The personalized settings
> for screen savers is totally borked?they work randomly and seldom. I also
> can no longer schedule update!
> s at my convenience, even with workarounds, and I will walk away from my
> laptop for a few hours and come back and find it either updating, or it
> just finished an update and rebooted. This despite telling it not to do
> updates except in the middle of the night. I spend twenty minutes trying to
> get everything back open again and of course it didn?t save anything it
> should have saved, so I?ve got all these random documents that now need to
> be saved, but can?t be saved over their original file name, but need a NEW
> file name. I have tried to once a week do an ?install updates and reboot?
> or ?install updates and shut down? with the start menu but it doesn?t
> actually install updates?when you boot it back up, THEN it does updates. I
> had one last week like that, told it to ?install and shut down? as I left
> my house, came back many hours later to grab the laptop for a meeting, and
> turned it on, and it spent 90 minutes installing updates. I had to take
> paper notes for my meeting.-
>
> Krista gave some good tips, these are most things I?ve already done. Edge
> is awful and Microsoft just needs to get out of the browser business now.
> Didn?t they learn anything by watching Netscape?s demise??
>
> It amazes me how much Microsoft doesn?t listen to its main clients,
> BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. None of their ?improvements? are improvements at
> all, they are just more obstacles, more things to learn (sometimes a huge
> learning curve). So annoying!
>
> Susan Kelmer
> Alternate Format Production Program Manager
> Disability Services
> University of Colorado Boulder
> 303-735-4836 <(303)%20735-4836>
>
>
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Howard Kramer
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 11:02 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?
>
> Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's
> a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are
> continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to
> a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest
> driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and
> then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to
> start all over again.
>
> Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the
> registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so
> frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S
> until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about
> 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday.
>
> -Howard
>
>
>
> --
> Howard Kramer
> Conference Coordinator
> Accessing Higher Ground
> 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672>
> cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668>
>
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> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 12:40:21 -0700
> From: Howard Kramer <hkramer at ahead.org>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?
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> Thank you all for sharing that - I feel less alone. Misery loves company.
> :-)
>
> -Howard
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > I have been using Windows 10 against my will for the last year on my
> > personal laptop. After a year, I still hate it with the passion of a
> > thousand burning suns. Maybe more than a thousand.
> >
> >
> >
> > They broke what worked. The start menu is a freaking joke, it puts
> > whatever it wants there instead of what I am actually using all the time.
> > The only way for me to open programs now is to windows-button then type
> in
> > the program I?m looking for. I used to be able to click the most used
> ones
> > or at least select them with windows key and my up or down arrow keys,
> but
> > no more. The preview feature that works so well on Windows 7, on Windows
> > 10 is combined with the little ?show all/hide all? spot in the lower left
> > corner, and of course my mouse ends up down there all the time, hiding
> all
> > my windows even if I?m actively typing. So I had to turn off the preview
> > of the taskbar in order to fix that but now I don?t have the previews I
> > used to count on to figure out which task bar button to open (I usually
> > have the task bar pretty full of open programs. The personalized
> settings
> > for screen savers is totally borked?they work randomly and seldom. I
> also
> > can no longer schedule updates at my convenience, even with workarounds,
> > and I will walk away from my laptop for a few hours and come back and
> find
> > it either updating, or it just finished an update and rebooted. This
> > despite telling it not to do updates except in the middle of the night. I
> > spend twenty minutes trying to get everything back open again and of
> course
> > it didn?t save anything it should have saved, so I?ve got all these
> random
> > documents that now need to be saved, but can?t be saved over their
> original
> > file name, but need a NEW file name. I have tried to once a week do an
> > ?install updates and reboot? or ?install updates and shut down? with the
> > start menu but it doesn?t actually install updates?when you boot it back
> > up, THEN it does updates. I had one last week like that, told it to
> > ?install and shut down? as I left my house, came back many hours later to
> > grab the laptop for a meeting, and turned it on, and it spent 90 minutes
> > installing updates. I had to take paper notes for my meeting.-
> >
> >
> >
> > Krista gave some good tips, these are most things I?ve already done.
> Edge
> > is awful and Microsoft just needs to get out of the browser business now.
> > Didn?t they learn anything by watching Netscape?s demise??
> >
> >
> >
> > It amazes me how much Microsoft doesn?t listen to its main clients,
> > BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. None of their ?improvements? are improvements at
> > all, they are just more obstacles, more things to learn (sometimes a huge
> > learning curve). So annoying!
> >
> >
> >
> > *Susan Kelmer*
> >
> > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager*
> >
> > *Disability Services*
> >
> > *University of Colorado Boulder*
> >
> > *303-735-4836 <(303)%20735-4836> <(303)%20735-4836>*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> *On
> > Behalf Of *Howard Kramer
> > *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 11:02 AM
> > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> > athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> > *Subject:* [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?
> >
> >
> >
> > Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's
> > a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are
> > continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up
> to
> > a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest
> > driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better
> and
> > then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to
> > start all over again.
> >
> >
> >
> > Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the
> > registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so
> > frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S
> > until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about
> > 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Howard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Howard Kramer
> >
> > Conference Coordinator
> >
> > Accessing Higher Ground
> >
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> >
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