[Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 143, Issue 3

Dan Comden danc at uw.edu
Tue Dec 5 15:13:51 PST 2017


There are five people with Microsoft email addresses subscribed to this
discussion list. I hope they can pass on the frustrations felt by many
about Windows 10.
Personally, I cringe every time I have to work in a Win 10 environment for
some of the reasons described by others.

I run Win 7 at home on my personal machine, and we're still running it in
our computer labs (though that's likely changing next term).

There are different approaches to turning off automatic updates -- I'll
leave that as a Google exercise for y'all.

-*- Dan

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Hadi Rangin <hadir at uw.edu> wrote:


> I forwarded your feedback/complaints about Windows Update and

> unpredictable outcome after update to our Microsoft contacts after removing

> all the identifiable information; so no names, e-mail or contact info.

>

> I am planning to have a conversation with the Windows team within the next

> weeks/months to discuss the issues.

>

> I’ll let you know if something comes out of it.

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Hadi

>

>

>

> *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On

> Behalf Of *Anna Marie Golden

> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2017 1:50 PM

> *To:* athen-list at u.washington.edu

> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 143, Issue 3

>

>

>

> *​*

>

> *EVERY TIME* Windows 10 updates, it messes everything up. I found a hack

> online somewhere so I could get it stop automatically installing the

> updates.

>

>

> Now when the dialog pops up because there's an update, I dismiss it, It

> still opens the update window but I can just close it now instead of

> waiting for the update to complete. It's annoying but it beats Windows

> updating whenever it wants to.

>

> I'm actually afraid to do anymore Windows 10 updates. I keep dismissing

> them because installing them means I end up having to google all sorts of

> things to get everything back to the way it was. Sometimes I can't get it

> back to the way it was because they remove useful features that give users

> choices outside of the Microsoft ecosystem. I never know what to expect

> from an update and it has cost time and productivity every single time I've

> allowed an update to happen.

>

> I'm really disappointed in Windows 10 overall. It's too controlling.

> They created it more like a home version, forcing settings and security I

> don't want. And the way they made the updates work is ridiculous. Nothing

> like standing in front of a room of people, ready to give a presentation

> when Windows 10 decides to update on its own...

>

>

>

> --Anna Marie

>

> (First name = "Anna Marie")

>

>

>

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> 1. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Krista Greear)

> 2. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Susan Kelmer)

> 3. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Howard Kramer)

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> Message: 1

> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 20:12:40 +0000

> From: Krista Greear <greeark at uw.edu>

> To: "chagnon at pubcom.com" <chagnon at pubcom.com>, "Access Technology

> Higher Education Network" <athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?

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> Some things I shared with my office after upgrading 40 computers to

> Windows 10 this summer.

>

>

> ? Stop folders from being added to Quick Access

> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4027032/windows-

> pin-remove-and-customize-in-quick-access

>

> ? I turned off animations when I was typing:

> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-off-Office-

> animations-9EE5C4D2-D144-4FD2-B670-22CEF9FA025A

>

> ? Made the cursor bigger: https://www.isunshare.com/

> windows-10/3-ways-to-change-mouse-pointer-size-and-color-

> in-windows-10.html

>

> ? Turn off Outlook email desktop notifications:

> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-new-message-

> alert-pop-up-on-or-off-9940c70e-b306-442e-a856-d94b20318481.

>

> ? Changed colors

>

> o Right click on desktop

>

> o Select Personalize

>

> o Select Colors on left side

>

> o Pick your color then turn on the ?Show color on Start, taskbar, action

> center, and title bar? and ?Make Start, taskbar, and action center

> transparent? options at the bottom

>

> ? Making Adobe the Default Pdf Reader

>

> o Hit the windows key and search ?Default Programs?

>

> o Scroll down and select ?choose default apps by file type?

>

> o Scroll down to .pdf, click the icon, and select Adobe Acrobat.

>

> o Exit out, you?re done!

> Krista

>

> KRISTA GREEAR

> Assistant Director

> Disability Resources for Students

>

> 011 Mary Gates Hall

> Box 352808

> Seattle, WA 98195-2808

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> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]

> On Behalf Of Chagnon | PubCom

> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 10:15 AM

> To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <

> athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?

>

> Not only is this a royal P I T A for everyone, but it?s also an ADA issue

> and the community should file a formal complaint with DOJ?s ADA office.

>

> Adobe is not able to stop Microsoft from hijacking the PDF file format?s

> default software.

>

> In theory, all users should be able to set their default preferences for

> any file format, and the OS (namely Apple and Microsoft) should respect the

> user?s choice. There was an anti-trust lawsuit in the 1990s with Microsoft

> about something very similar.

>

> Since then, we now that we have Sec. 508 in place and I think a stronger

> case can be built on ADA violations. Edge is not fully accessible and

> provides an inferior user experience for those using A T.

>

> Any accessibility lawyers out there who want to fight this?

>

> --Bevi Chagnon

>

> ? ? ?

> ? ? ?

> Bevi Chagnon | www.PubCom.com<http://www.PubCom.com>

> Technologists for Accessible Design and Publishing

> print ? digital ? web ? documents ? pdfs ? epubs

> consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services

> ? ? ?

>

>

>

>

> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]

> On Behalf Of Howard Kramer

> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:02 PM

> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <

> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>

> Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?

>

> Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's

> a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are

> continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to

> a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest

> driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and

> then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to

> start all over again.

>

> Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the

> registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so

> frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S

> until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about

> 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday.

>

> -Howard

>

>

>

> --

> Howard Kramer

> Conference Coordinator

> Accessing Higher Ground

> 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672>

> cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668>

>

>

> Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference<http://

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> From: Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu>

> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network

> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?

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> I have been using Windows 10 against my will for the last year on my

> personal laptop. After a year, I still hate it with the passion of a

> thousand burning suns. Maybe more than a thousand.

>

> They broke what worked. The start menu is a freaking joke, it puts

> whatever it wants there instead of what I am actually using all the time.

> The only way for me to open programs now is to windows-button then type in

> the program I?m looking for. I used to be able to click the most used ones

> or at least select them with windows key and my up or down arrow keys, but

> no more. The preview feature that works so well on Windows 7, on Windows

> 10 is combined with the little ?show all/hide all? spot in the lower left

> corner, and of course my mouse ends up down there all the time, hiding all

> my windows even if I?m actively typing. So I had to turn off the preview

> of the taskbar in order to fix that but now I don?t have the previews I

> used to count on to figure out which task bar button to open (I usually

> have the task bar pretty full of open programs. The personalized settings

> for screen savers is totally borked?they work randomly and seldom. I also

> can no longer schedule update!

> s at my convenience, even with workarounds, and I will walk away from my

> laptop for a few hours and come back and find it either updating, or it

> just finished an update and rebooted. This despite telling it not to do

> updates except in the middle of the night. I spend twenty minutes trying to

> get everything back open again and of course it didn?t save anything it

> should have saved, so I?ve got all these random documents that now need to

> be saved, but can?t be saved over their original file name, but need a NEW

> file name. I have tried to once a week do an ?install updates and reboot?

> or ?install updates and shut down? with the start menu but it doesn?t

> actually install updates?when you boot it back up, THEN it does updates. I

> had one last week like that, told it to ?install and shut down? as I left

> my house, came back many hours later to grab the laptop for a meeting, and

> turned it on, and it spent 90 minutes installing updates. I had to take

> paper notes for my meeting.-

>

> Krista gave some good tips, these are most things I?ve already done. Edge

> is awful and Microsoft just needs to get out of the browser business now.

> Didn?t they learn anything by watching Netscape?s demise??

>

> It amazes me how much Microsoft doesn?t listen to its main clients,

> BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. None of their ?improvements? are improvements at

> all, they are just more obstacles, more things to learn (sometimes a huge

> learning curve). So annoying!

>

> Susan Kelmer

> Alternate Format Production Program Manager

> Disability Services

> University of Colorado Boulder

> 303-735-4836 <(303)%20735-4836>

>

>

>

>

> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]

> On Behalf Of Howard Kramer

> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 11:02 AM

> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <

> athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?

>

> Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's

> a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are

> continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to

> a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest

> driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and

> then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to

> start all over again.

>

> Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the

> registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so

> frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S

> until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about

> 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday.

>

> -Howard

>

>

>

> --

> Howard Kramer

> Conference Coordinator

> Accessing Higher Ground

> 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672>

> cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668>

>

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> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 12:40:21 -0700

> From: Howard Kramer <hkramer at ahead.org>

> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network

> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?

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> Thank you all for sharing that - I feel less alone. Misery loves company.

> :-)

>

> -Howard

>

> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu>

> wrote:

>

> > I have been using Windows 10 against my will for the last year on my

> > personal laptop. After a year, I still hate it with the passion of a

> > thousand burning suns. Maybe more than a thousand.

> >

> >

> >

> > They broke what worked. The start menu is a freaking joke, it puts

> > whatever it wants there instead of what I am actually using all the time.

> > The only way for me to open programs now is to windows-button then type

> in

> > the program I?m looking for. I used to be able to click the most used

> ones

> > or at least select them with windows key and my up or down arrow keys,

> but

> > no more. The preview feature that works so well on Windows 7, on Windows

> > 10 is combined with the little ?show all/hide all? spot in the lower left

> > corner, and of course my mouse ends up down there all the time, hiding

> all

> > my windows even if I?m actively typing. So I had to turn off the preview

> > of the taskbar in order to fix that but now I don?t have the previews I

> > used to count on to figure out which task bar button to open (I usually

> > have the task bar pretty full of open programs. The personalized

> settings

> > for screen savers is totally borked?they work randomly and seldom. I

> also

> > can no longer schedule updates at my convenience, even with workarounds,

> > and I will walk away from my laptop for a few hours and come back and

> find

> > it either updating, or it just finished an update and rebooted. This

> > despite telling it not to do updates except in the middle of the night. I

> > spend twenty minutes trying to get everything back open again and of

> course

> > it didn?t save anything it should have saved, so I?ve got all these

> random

> > documents that now need to be saved, but can?t be saved over their

> original

> > file name, but need a NEW file name. I have tried to once a week do an

> > ?install updates and reboot? or ?install updates and shut down? with the

> > start menu but it doesn?t actually install updates?when you boot it back

> > up, THEN it does updates. I had one last week like that, told it to

> > ?install and shut down? as I left my house, came back many hours later to

> > grab the laptop for a meeting, and turned it on, and it spent 90 minutes

> > installing updates. I had to take paper notes for my meeting.-

> >

> >

> >

> > Krista gave some good tips, these are most things I?ve already done.

> Edge

> > is awful and Microsoft just needs to get out of the browser business now.

> > Didn?t they learn anything by watching Netscape?s demise??

> >

> >

> >

> > It amazes me how much Microsoft doesn?t listen to its main clients,

> > BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. None of their ?improvements? are improvements at

> > all, they are just more obstacles, more things to learn (sometimes a huge

> > learning curve). So annoying!

> >

> >

> >

> > *Susan Kelmer*

> >

> > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager*

> >

> > *Disability Services*

> >

> > *University of Colorado Boulder*

> >

> > *303-735-4836 <(303)%20735-4836> <(303)%20735-4836>*

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]

> *On

> > Behalf Of *Howard Kramer

> > *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 11:02 AM

> > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <

> > athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> > *Subject:* [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?

> >

> >

> >

> > Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's

> > a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are

> > continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up

> to

> > a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest

> > driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better

> and

> > then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to

> > start all over again.

> >

> >

> >

> > Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the

> > registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so

> > frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S

> > until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about

> > 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday.

> >

> >

> >

> > -Howard

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> >

> > Howard Kramer

> >

> > Conference Coordinator

> >

> > Accessing Higher Ground

> >

> > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> <(303)%20492-8672>

> >

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> >

> >

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> Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference

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> *Anna Marie Golden, MHCID*

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> *​**Master of Human-Computer Interaction + Design, Class of 2014**​*

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> *IT Accessibility Specialist*

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> *Accessible Technology Services, UW-IT (206) 221-4164 <(206)%20221-4164>*

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> * Mailing Address: Box 354842 University of Washington*

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> *Seattle, WA 98195-4842*

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> *4545 Building*

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> *4545 - 15th Avenue NE, Suite 100*

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Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/
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