[Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 143, Issue 3
Dan Comden
danc at uw.edu
Tue Dec 5 15:13:51 PST 2017
There are five people with Microsoft email addresses subscribed to this
discussion list. I hope they can pass on the frustrations felt by many
about Windows 10.
Personally, I cringe every time I have to work in a Win 10 environment for
some of the reasons described by others.
I run Win 7 at home on my personal machine, and we're still running it in
our computer labs (though that's likely changing next term).
There are different approaches to turning off automatic updates -- I'll
leave that as a Google exercise for y'all.
-*- Dan
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Hadi Rangin <hadir at uw.edu> wrote:
> I forwarded your feedback/complaints about Windows Update and
> unpredictable outcome after update to our Microsoft contacts after removing
> all the identifiable information; so no names, e-mail or contact info.
>
> I am planning to have a conversation with the Windows team within the next
> weeks/months to discuss the issues.
>
> I’ll let you know if something comes out of it.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hadi
>
>
>
> *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Anna Marie Golden
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 05, 2017 1:50 PM
> *To:* athen-list at u.washington.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 143, Issue 3
>
>
>
> **
>
> *EVERY TIME* Windows 10 updates, it messes everything up. I found a hack
> online somewhere so I could get it stop automatically installing the
> updates.
>
>
> Now when the dialog pops up because there's an update, I dismiss it, It
> still opens the update window but I can just close it now instead of
> waiting for the update to complete. It's annoying but it beats Windows
> updating whenever it wants to.
>
> I'm actually afraid to do anymore Windows 10 updates. I keep dismissing
> them because installing them means I end up having to google all sorts of
> things to get everything back to the way it was. Sometimes I can't get it
> back to the way it was because they remove useful features that give users
> choices outside of the Microsoft ecosystem. I never know what to expect
> from an update and it has cost time and productivity every single time I've
> allowed an update to happen.
>
> I'm really disappointed in Windows 10 overall. It's too controlling.
> They created it more like a home version, forcing settings and security I
> don't want. And the way they made the updates work is ridiculous. Nothing
> like standing in front of a room of people, ready to give a presentation
> when Windows 10 decides to update on its own...
>
>
>
> --Anna Marie
>
> (First name = "Anna Marie")
>
>
>
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> 1. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Krista Greear)
> 2. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Susan Kelmer)
> 3. Re: Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy? (Howard Kramer)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 20:12:40 +0000
> From: Krista Greear <greeark at uw.edu>
> To: "chagnon at pubcom.com" <chagnon at pubcom.com>, "Access Technology
> Higher Education Network" <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?
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> Some things I shared with my office after upgrading 40 computers to
> Windows 10 this summer.
>
>
> ? Stop folders from being added to Quick Access
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4027032/windows-
> pin-remove-and-customize-in-quick-access
>
> ? I turned off animations when I was typing:
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-off-Office-
> animations-9EE5C4D2-D144-4FD2-B670-22CEF9FA025A
>
> ? Made the cursor bigger: https://www.isunshare.com/
> windows-10/3-ways-to-change-mouse-pointer-size-and-color-
> in-windows-10.html
>
> ? Turn off Outlook email desktop notifications:
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Turn-new-message-
> alert-pop-up-on-or-off-9940c70e-b306-442e-a856-d94b20318481.
>
> ? Changed colors
>
> o Right click on desktop
>
> o Select Personalize
>
> o Select Colors on left side
>
> o Pick your color then turn on the ?Show color on Start, taskbar, action
> center, and title bar? and ?Make Start, taskbar, and action center
> transparent? options at the bottom
>
> ? Making Adobe the Default Pdf Reader
>
> o Hit the windows key and search ?Default Programs?
>
> o Scroll down and select ?choose default apps by file type?
>
> o Scroll down to .pdf, click the icon, and select Adobe Acrobat.
>
> o Exit out, you?re done!
> Krista
>
> KRISTA GREEAR
> Assistant Director
> Disability Resources for Students
>
> 011 Mary Gates Hall
> Box 352808
> Seattle, WA 98195-2808
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> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Chagnon | PubCom
> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 10:15 AM
> To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?
>
> Not only is this a royal P I T A for everyone, but it?s also an ADA issue
> and the community should file a formal complaint with DOJ?s ADA office.
>
> Adobe is not able to stop Microsoft from hijacking the PDF file format?s
> default software.
>
> In theory, all users should be able to set their default preferences for
> any file format, and the OS (namely Apple and Microsoft) should respect the
> user?s choice. There was an anti-trust lawsuit in the 1990s with Microsoft
> about something very similar.
>
> Since then, we now that we have Sec. 508 in place and I think a stronger
> case can be built on ADA violations. Edge is not fully accessible and
> provides an inferior user experience for those using A T.
>
> Any accessibility lawyers out there who want to fight this?
>
> --Bevi Chagnon
>
> ? ? ?
> ? ? ?
> Bevi Chagnon | www.PubCom.com<http://www.PubCom.com>
> Technologists for Accessible Design and Publishing
> print ? digital ? web ? documents ? pdfs ? epubs
> consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services
> ? ? ?
>
>
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Howard Kramer
> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 1:02 PM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?
>
> Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's
> a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are
> continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to
> a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest
> driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and
> then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to
> start all over again.
>
> Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the
> registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so
> frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S
> until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about
> 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday.
>
> -Howard
>
>
>
> --
> Howard Kramer
> Conference Coordinator
> Accessing Higher Ground
> 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672>
> cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668>
>
>
> Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference<http://
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> From: Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?
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> I have been using Windows 10 against my will for the last year on my
> personal laptop. After a year, I still hate it with the passion of a
> thousand burning suns. Maybe more than a thousand.
>
> They broke what worked. The start menu is a freaking joke, it puts
> whatever it wants there instead of what I am actually using all the time.
> The only way for me to open programs now is to windows-button then type in
> the program I?m looking for. I used to be able to click the most used ones
> or at least select them with windows key and my up or down arrow keys, but
> no more. The preview feature that works so well on Windows 7, on Windows
> 10 is combined with the little ?show all/hide all? spot in the lower left
> corner, and of course my mouse ends up down there all the time, hiding all
> my windows even if I?m actively typing. So I had to turn off the preview
> of the taskbar in order to fix that but now I don?t have the previews I
> used to count on to figure out which task bar button to open (I usually
> have the task bar pretty full of open programs. The personalized settings
> for screen savers is totally borked?they work randomly and seldom. I also
> can no longer schedule update!
> s at my convenience, even with workarounds, and I will walk away from my
> laptop for a few hours and come back and find it either updating, or it
> just finished an update and rebooted. This despite telling it not to do
> updates except in the middle of the night. I spend twenty minutes trying to
> get everything back open again and of course it didn?t save anything it
> should have saved, so I?ve got all these random documents that now need to
> be saved, but can?t be saved over their original file name, but need a NEW
> file name. I have tried to once a week do an ?install updates and reboot?
> or ?install updates and shut down? with the start menu but it doesn?t
> actually install updates?when you boot it back up, THEN it does updates. I
> had one last week like that, told it to ?install and shut down? as I left
> my house, came back many hours later to grab the laptop for a meeting, and
> turned it on, and it spent 90 minutes installing updates. I had to take
> paper notes for my meeting.-
>
> Krista gave some good tips, these are most things I?ve already done. Edge
> is awful and Microsoft just needs to get out of the browser business now.
> Didn?t they learn anything by watching Netscape?s demise??
>
> It amazes me how much Microsoft doesn?t listen to its main clients,
> BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. None of their ?improvements? are improvements at
> all, they are just more obstacles, more things to learn (sometimes a huge
> learning curve). So annoying!
>
> Susan Kelmer
> Alternate Format Production Program Manager
> Disability Services
> University of Colorado Boulder
> 303-735-4836 <(303)%20735-4836>
>
>
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Howard Kramer
> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 11:02 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?
>
> Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's
> a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are
> continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up to
> a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest
> driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better and
> then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to
> start all over again.
>
> Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the
> registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so
> frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S
> until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about
> 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday.
>
> -Howard
>
>
>
> --
> Howard Kramer
> Conference Coordinator
> Accessing Higher Ground
> 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672>
> cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668>
>
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> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 12:40:21 -0700
> From: Howard Kramer <hkramer at ahead.org>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?
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> Thank you all for sharing that - I feel less alone. Misery loves company.
> :-)
>
> -Howard
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > I have been using Windows 10 against my will for the last year on my
> > personal laptop. After a year, I still hate it with the passion of a
> > thousand burning suns. Maybe more than a thousand.
> >
> >
> >
> > They broke what worked. The start menu is a freaking joke, it puts
> > whatever it wants there instead of what I am actually using all the time.
> > The only way for me to open programs now is to windows-button then type
> in
> > the program I?m looking for. I used to be able to click the most used
> ones
> > or at least select them with windows key and my up or down arrow keys,
> but
> > no more. The preview feature that works so well on Windows 7, on Windows
> > 10 is combined with the little ?show all/hide all? spot in the lower left
> > corner, and of course my mouse ends up down there all the time, hiding
> all
> > my windows even if I?m actively typing. So I had to turn off the preview
> > of the taskbar in order to fix that but now I don?t have the previews I
> > used to count on to figure out which task bar button to open (I usually
> > have the task bar pretty full of open programs. The personalized
> settings
> > for screen savers is totally borked?they work randomly and seldom. I
> also
> > can no longer schedule updates at my convenience, even with workarounds,
> > and I will walk away from my laptop for a few hours and come back and
> find
> > it either updating, or it just finished an update and rebooted. This
> > despite telling it not to do updates except in the middle of the night. I
> > spend twenty minutes trying to get everything back open again and of
> course
> > it didn?t save anything it should have saved, so I?ve got all these
> random
> > documents that now need to be saved, but can?t be saved over their
> original
> > file name, but need a NEW file name. I have tried to once a week do an
> > ?install updates and reboot? or ?install updates and shut down? with the
> > start menu but it doesn?t actually install updates?when you boot it back
> > up, THEN it does updates. I had one last week like that, told it to
> > ?install and shut down? as I left my house, came back many hours later to
> > grab the laptop for a meeting, and turned it on, and it spent 90 minutes
> > installing updates. I had to take paper notes for my meeting.-
> >
> >
> >
> > Krista gave some good tips, these are most things I?ve already done.
> Edge
> > is awful and Microsoft just needs to get out of the browser business now.
> > Didn?t they learn anything by watching Netscape?s demise??
> >
> >
> >
> > It amazes me how much Microsoft doesn?t listen to its main clients,
> > BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS. None of their ?improvements? are improvements at
> > all, they are just more obstacles, more things to learn (sometimes a huge
> > learning curve). So annoying!
> >
> >
> >
> > *Susan Kelmer*
> >
> > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager*
> >
> > *Disability Services*
> >
> > *University of Colorado Boulder*
> >
> > *303-735-4836 <(303)%20735-4836> <(303)%20735-4836>*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> *On
> > Behalf Of *Howard Kramer
> > *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 11:02 AM
> > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> > athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> > *Subject:* [Athen] Is Windows 10 driving anyone else crazy?
> >
> >
> >
> > Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. I also wonder if it's
> > a combination of the age of my HP laptop or just Windows 10. Settings are
> > continuously overwritten every time there's an update which can take up
> to
> > a half-hour. Mouse driver for my touchpad works like crap with the newest
> > driver version. I roll it back to a previous version which works better
> and
> > then the Windows update reverses this at the next update and I have to
> > start all over again.
> >
> >
> >
> > Edge is repeatedly set as the default PDF viewing. I've tried editing the
> > registry so this doesn't happen but with no luck. I have never been so
> > frustrated with Windows and never considered changing to a different O/S
> > until now. I feel like my productively (i.e. time) is undermined by about
> > 5%. Ok, that's my rant for Monday.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Howard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Howard Kramer
> >
> > Conference Coordinator
> >
> > Accessing Higher Ground
> >
> > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> <(303)%20492-8672>
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference
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> *Anna Marie Golden, MHCID*
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> ***Master of Human-Computer Interaction + Design, Class of 2014***
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> *IT Accessibility Specialist*
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> *Accessible Technology Services, UW-IT (206) 221-4164 <(206)%20221-4164>*
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> * Mailing Address: Box 354842 University of Washington*
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Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/
University of Washington UW Information Technology
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