From rford at schoolcraft.edu Wed Feb 1 07:26:53 2017 From: rford at schoolcraft.edu (Rachel Ford) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] MyProgrammingLab Message-ID: I have a faculty member who is sold on developing an online intro computer programming course using Pearson's MyProgrammingLab with Python. We're having some trouble getting information on the accessibility of MyProgrammingLab. Does anyone have information on the accessibility of this product or suggestions of other resources that could be used for an online programming course? Any information would be appreciated. Rachel Ford Distance Learning Schoolcraft College 734-462-4481 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Instructional Technologist investigates and disseminates information regarding best practices for creating accessible materials, identifies software tools used for creating and evaluating accessible materials, and researches accessibility & technology trends and issues in higher education. Senior Web Developer, Marketing and Communications https://www.unrsearch.com/postings/23472 The Senior Web Developer is responsible for ensuring the University's web content meets accessibility standards per the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). The incumbent works in conjunction with other University departments to develop and implement training for faculty and staff responsible for creating and maintaining any portion of the University's web presence. 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Accessibility QA (Columbus, OH): https://pearson.taleo. net/careersection/ex/jobdetail.ftl?job=1701996&lang=en&sns_ Accessibility Manager (NY, Boston, Denver, or San Francisco): http://pearson.jobs/new-york-ny/accessibility-manager/36D9E672 803A41C0AB4B635C415648B5/job/ *Elaine* Elaine Ober Head of Accessibility Advocacy Pearson 501 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02116 +00 (1) 617-848-7204 Twitter: @elaineober Learn more at pearson.com [image: Pearson Tagline] [image: Pearson] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Thu Feb 2 14:02:20 2017 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] site works with NVDA/Chrome, JAWS/IE, but not NVDA/Firefox Message-ID: Just wanted to get other folks' opinion on this. I've been helping to evaluate a prototype application here on our campus - time/payroll type tool. Surprisingly I've found the the interface is pretty accessible with NVDA/Chrome and JAWS/Firefox but not accessible with NVDA/Firefox. The developer said he tested his design with ChromeVox so that helps explain the accessibility with Chrome. Two questions: at what point do you say an application or website is screenreader accessible - does it have to work with every AT/browser combo or if it seems to work with most, is that okay. Second, any ideas on why the NVDA/FF environment does not work? BTW - this application was developed under the ServiceNow platform. Thanks, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at ccctechcenter.org Thu Feb 2 14:42:55 2017 From: skeegan at ccctechcenter.org (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] site works with NVDA/Chrome, JAWS/IE, but not NVDA/Firefox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Howard, Is the UI a single-page application in which a "view" is updated but the page does not undergo a full browser refresh? I ran into an issue with NVDA+Firefox with a single-page application in which Firefox would ultimately crash when NVDA was running (Firefox was fine with no NVDA). Had same outcome as you in that NVDA+Chrome worked as did JAWS+Firefox. The developer originally tried to manage focus via JavaScript, but it never quite worked reliably. As best I could tell, the script tried to set focus to the H1 element on the page before the page view had finished loading. The dev fixed the focus script to happen after the page had completed loading (and used the correct code on the target) and suddenly NVDA worked via Firefox. Also fixed the crash issue. Simply Accessible had a good article on focus management for Angular.js applications that may be useful. We were using React, but the same principles apply: http://simplyaccessible.com/article/spangular-accessibility/ I establish the operating environment and screen-reader requirements at the start, so sign-off happens when we meet those requirements (e.g., NVDA+Firefox, JAWS+IE, VoiceOver+Safari, etc.). The operating environment can vary depending on the app in question - for example, if this was an internal application and the only browsers supported by the IT department are Chrome and Firefox, then a screen-reader would have to work with at least one of those browsers. That said, I am highly suspicious of any web application that does not work in Firefox with NVDA. Take care, Sean On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Howard Kramer wrote: > Just wanted to get other folks' opinion on this. I've been helping to > evaluate a prototype application here on our campus - time/payroll type > tool. Surprisingly I've found the the interface is pretty accessible with > NVDA/Chrome and JAWS/Firefox but not accessible with NVDA/Firefox. The > developer said he tested his design with ChromeVox so that helps explain > the accessibility with Chrome. > > Two questions: at what point do you say an application or website is > screenreader accessible - does it have to work with every AT/browser combo > or if it seems to work with most, is that okay. Second, any ideas on why > the NVDA/FF environment does not work? BTW - this application was developed > under the ServiceNow platform. > > Thanks, > Howard > > > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. > Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! > * And the *Technology > Access Series *. > Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your > earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > * > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Amy Amy Rovner, MPH RD Instructional Designer Accessible IT Coordinator eLearning Services Shoreline Community College (206) 546-6937 arovner@shoreline.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 2:43 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] site works with NVDA/Chrome, JAWS/IE, but not NVDA/Firefox Hi Howard, Is the UI a single-page application in which a "view" is updated but the page does not undergo a full browser refresh? I ran into an issue with NVDA+Firefox with a single-page application in which Firefox would ultimately crash when NVDA was running (Firefox was fine with no NVDA). Had same outcome as you in that NVDA+Chrome worked as did JAWS+Firefox. The developer originally tried to manage focus via JavaScript, but it never quite worked reliably. As best I could tell, the script tried to set focus to the H1 element on the page before the page view had finished loading. The dev fixed the focus script to happen after the page had completed loading (and used the correct code on the target) and suddenly NVDA worked via Firefox. Also fixed the crash issue. Simply Accessible had a good article on focus management for Angular.js applications that may be useful. We were using React, but the same principles apply: http://simplyaccessible.com/article/spangular-accessibility/ I establish the operating environment and screen-reader requirements at the start, so sign-off happens when we meet those requirements (e.g., NVDA+Firefox, JAWS+IE, VoiceOver+Safari, etc.). The operating environment can vary depending on the app in question - for example, if this was an internal application and the only browsers supported by the IT department are Chrome and Firefox, then a screen-reader would have to work with at least one of those browsers. That said, I am highly suspicious of any web application that does not work in Firefox with NVDA. Take care, Sean On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Howard Kramer > wrote: Just wanted to get other folks' opinion on this. I've been helping to evaluate a prototype application here on our campus - time/payroll type tool. Surprisingly I've found the the interface is pretty accessible with NVDA/Chrome and JAWS/Firefox but not accessible with NVDA/Firefox. The developer said he tested his design with ChromeVox so that helps explain the accessibility with Chrome. Two questions: at what point do you say an application or website is screenreader accessible - does it have to work with every AT/browser combo or if it seems to work with most, is that okay. Second, any ideas on why the NVDA/FF environment does not work? BTW - this application was developed under the ServiceNow platform. Thanks, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lissner.2 at osu.edu Thu Feb 2 15:16:15 2017 From: lissner.2 at osu.edu (Lissner, Scott) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility Audits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you including policies and process as well? From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Rovner, Amy Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 6:12 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessibility Audits Hello, We need to do a full Accessibility Audit (physical and virtual) of our campus and I am in need of suggestions for companies that you have worked with that you liked, as well as approx. cost of the audit. We have about 5000 Annual FTE if that helps with the size of our campus. Any recommendations are appreciated! Thank you in advance! Amy Amy Rovner, MPH RD Instructional Designer Accessible IT Coordinator eLearning Services Shoreline Community College (206) 546-6937 arovner@shoreline.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 2:43 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] site works with NVDA/Chrome, JAWS/IE, but not NVDA/Firefox Hi Howard, Is the UI a single-page application in which a "view" is updated but the page does not undergo a full browser refresh? I ran into an issue with NVDA+Firefox with a single-page application in which Firefox would ultimately crash when NVDA was running (Firefox was fine with no NVDA). Had same outcome as you in that NVDA+Chrome worked as did JAWS+Firefox. The developer originally tried to manage focus via JavaScript, but it never quite worked reliably. As best I could tell, the script tried to set focus to the H1 element on the page before the page view had finished loading. The dev fixed the focus script to happen after the page had completed loading (and used the correct code on the target) and suddenly NVDA worked via Firefox. Also fixed the crash issue. Simply Accessible had a good article on focus management for Angular.js applications that may be useful. We were using React, but the same principles apply: http://simplyaccessible.com/article/spangular-accessibility/ I establish the operating environment and screen-reader requirements at the start, so sign-off happens when we meet those requirements (e.g., NVDA+Firefox, JAWS+IE, VoiceOver+Safari, etc.). The operating environment can vary depending on the app in question - for example, if this was an internal application and the only browsers supported by the IT department are Chrome and Firefox, then a screen-reader would have to work with at least one of those browsers. That said, I am highly suspicious of any web application that does not work in Firefox with NVDA. Take care, Sean On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Howard Kramer > wrote: Just wanted to get other folks' opinion on this. I've been helping to evaluate a prototype application here on our campus - time/payroll type tool. Surprisingly I've found the the interface is pretty accessible with NVDA/Chrome and JAWS/Firefox but not accessible with NVDA/Firefox. The developer said he tested his design with ChromeVox so that helps explain the accessibility with Chrome. Two questions: at what point do you say an application or website is screenreader accessible - does it have to work with every AT/browser combo or if it seems to work with most, is that okay. Second, any ideas on why the NVDA/FF environment does not work? BTW - this application was developed under the ServiceNow platform. Thanks, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arovner at shoreline.edu Thu Feb 2 16:15:10 2017 From: arovner at shoreline.edu (Rovner, Amy) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility Audits In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes and no? We have existing policies and procedures relating to students but are currently writing our policies and procedures for Accessible IT. ? Amy From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lissner, Scott Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 3:16 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessibility Audits Are you including policies and process as well? From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Rovner, Amy Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 6:12 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Accessibility Audits Hello, We need to do a full Accessibility Audit (physical and virtual) of our campus and I am in need of suggestions for companies that you have worked with that you liked, as well as approx. cost of the audit. We have about 5000 Annual FTE if that helps with the size of our campus. Any recommendations are appreciated! Thank you in advance! Amy Amy Rovner, MPH RD Instructional Designer Accessible IT Coordinator eLearning Services Shoreline Community College (206) 546-6937 arovner@shoreline.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Sean Keegan Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 2:43 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] site works with NVDA/Chrome, JAWS/IE, but not NVDA/Firefox Hi Howard, Is the UI a single-page application in which a "view" is updated but the page does not undergo a full browser refresh? I ran into an issue with NVDA+Firefox with a single-page application in which Firefox would ultimately crash when NVDA was running (Firefox was fine with no NVDA). Had same outcome as you in that NVDA+Chrome worked as did JAWS+Firefox. The developer originally tried to manage focus via JavaScript, but it never quite worked reliably. As best I could tell, the script tried to set focus to the H1 element on the page before the page view had finished loading. The dev fixed the focus script to happen after the page had completed loading (and used the correct code on the target) and suddenly NVDA worked via Firefox. Also fixed the crash issue. Simply Accessible had a good article on focus management for Angular.js applications that may be useful. We were using React, but the same principles apply: http://simplyaccessible.com/article/spangular-accessibility/ I establish the operating environment and screen-reader requirements at the start, so sign-off happens when we meet those requirements (e.g., NVDA+Firefox, JAWS+IE, VoiceOver+Safari, etc.). The operating environment can vary depending on the app in question - for example, if this was an internal application and the only browsers supported by the IT department are Chrome and Firefox, then a screen-reader would have to work with at least one of those browsers. That said, I am highly suspicious of any web application that does not work in Firefox with NVDA. Take care, Sean On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Howard Kramer > wrote: Just wanted to get other folks' opinion on this. I've been helping to evaluate a prototype application here on our campus - time/payroll type tool. Surprisingly I've found the the interface is pretty accessible with NVDA/Chrome and JAWS/Firefox but not accessible with NVDA/Firefox. The developer said he tested his design with ChromeVox so that helps explain the accessibility with Chrome. Two questions: at what point do you say an application or website is screenreader accessible - does it have to work with every AT/browser combo or if it seems to work with most, is that okay. Second, any ideas on why the NVDA/FF environment does not work? BTW - this application was developed under the ServiceNow platform. Thanks, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bossley.5 at osu.edu Thu Feb 2 18:49:56 2017 From: bossley.5 at osu.edu (Bossley, Peter A.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] site works with NVDA/Chrome, JAWS/IE, but not NVDA/Firefox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006B5C8325EEDA44A1A7D3955F5431CD80A9CFED@CIO-KRC-D1MBX04.osuad.osu.edu> It is worth noting that Firefox + NVDA is our default testing combination because it brings you closest to modern web standards + modern screen reader without some of the guessing and extra excuse making that the commercial offerings sometimes insert into the process. If the site doesn?t work in FF + NVDA there are bound to be other issues. Without seeing the code it will be hard to guess what the issues are but I?ll tell you that service now has some serious challenges in this arena, and any views that are generated with their frameworks are probably going to be troublesome on one level or another for screen reader reliant users. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 5:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] site works with NVDA/Chrome, JAWS/IE, but not NVDA/Firefox Just wanted to get other folks' opinion on this. I've been helping to evaluate a prototype application here on our campus - time/payroll type tool. Surprisingly I've found the the interface is pretty accessible with NVDA/Chrome and JAWS/Firefox but not accessible with NVDA/Firefox. The developer said he tested his design with ChromeVox so that helps explain the accessibility with Chrome. Two questions: at what point do you say an application or website is screenreader accessible - does it have to work with every AT/browser combo or if it seems to work with most, is that okay. Second, any ideas on why the NVDA/FF environment does not work? BTW - this application was developed under the ServiceNow platform. Thanks, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Fri Feb 3 09:29:39 2017 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] site works with NVDA/Chrome, JAWS/IE, but not NVDA/Firefox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sean, I would say yes, this a page that doesn't do a full refresh. I'll ask the developer if he's trying to reset focus. The page isn't crashing btw, just not reading correctly. I did try with Jaws/IE and it did seem to work fine. Just to clarify, do you require that all 3 combinations (e.g., NVDA+Firefox, JAWS+IE, VoiceOver+Safari, etc.) work before designating it screenreader accessible? This will be an internal application but I think it's supported on all 3 of those browsers. Thanks for the tips and the article. -Howard On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Sean Keegan wrote: > Hi Howard, > > Is the UI a single-page application in which a "view" is updated but the > page does not undergo a full browser refresh? > > I ran into an issue with NVDA+Firefox with a single-page application in > which Firefox would ultimately crash when NVDA was running (Firefox was > fine with no NVDA). Had same outcome as you in that NVDA+Chrome worked as > did JAWS+Firefox. The developer originally tried to manage focus via > JavaScript, but it never quite worked reliably. As best I could tell, the > script tried to set focus to the H1 element on the page before the page > view had finished loading. > > The dev fixed the focus script to happen after the page had completed > loading (and used the correct code on the target) and suddenly NVDA worked > via Firefox. Also fixed the crash issue. > > Simply Accessible had a good article on focus management for Angular.js > applications that may be useful. We were using React, but the same > principles apply: > http://simplyaccessible.com/article/spangular-accessibility/ > > I establish the operating environment and screen-reader requirements at > the start, so sign-off happens when we meet those requirements (e.g., > NVDA+Firefox, JAWS+IE, VoiceOver+Safari, etc.). The operating environment > can vary depending on the app in question - for example, if this was an > internal application and the only browsers supported by the IT department > are Chrome and Firefox, then a screen-reader would have to work with at > least one of those browsers. That said, I am highly suspicious of any web > application that does not work in Firefox with NVDA. > > Take care, > Sean > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Howard Kramer wrote: > >> Just wanted to get other folks' opinion on this. I've been helping to >> evaluate a prototype application here on our campus - time/payroll type >> tool. Surprisingly I've found the the interface is pretty accessible with >> NVDA/Chrome and JAWS/Firefox but not accessible with NVDA/Firefox. The >> developer said he tested his design with ChromeVox so that helps explain >> the accessibility with Chrome. >> >> Two questions: at what point do you say an application or website is >> screenreader accessible - does it have to work with every AT/browser combo >> or if it seems to work with most, is that okay. Second, any ideas on why >> the NVDA/FF environment does not work? BTW - this application was developed >> under the ServiceNow platform. >> >> Thanks, >> Howard >> >> >> >> -- >> Howard Kramer >> Conference Coordinator >> Accessing Higher Ground >> 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> >> cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> >> >> Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference >> * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, >> 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. >> >> >> >> Complete program information and registration is open for our full >> line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! >> * And the *Technology >> Access Series *. >> Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your >> earliest convenience for the largest selection. >> >> >> >> Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. >> * >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. 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URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Fri Feb 3 09:30:15 2017 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] site works with NVDA/Chrome, JAWS/IE, but not NVDA/Firefox In-Reply-To: <006B5C8325EEDA44A1A7D3955F5431CD80A9CFED@CIO-KRC-D1MBX04.osuad.osu.edu> References: <006B5C8325EEDA44A1A7D3955F5431CD80A9CFED@CIO-KRC-D1MBX04.osuad.osu.edu> Message-ID: Thanks Peter. -Howard On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Bossley, Peter A. wrote: > It is worth noting that Firefox + NVDA is our default testing combination > because it brings you closest to modern web standards + modern screen > reader without some of the guessing and extra excuse making that the > commercial offerings sometimes insert into the process. > > If the site doesn?t work in FF + NVDA there are bound to be other issues. > > Without seeing the code it will be hard to guess what the issues are but > I?ll tell you that service now has some serious challenges in this arena, > and any views that are generated with their frameworks are probably going > to be troublesome on one level or another for screen reader reliant users. > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Howard Kramer > *Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2017 5:02 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] site works with NVDA/Chrome, JAWS/IE, but not > NVDA/Firefox > > > > Just wanted to get other folks' opinion on this. I've been helping to > evaluate a prototype application here on our campus - time/payroll type > tool. Surprisingly I've found the the interface is pretty accessible with > NVDA/Chrome and JAWS/Firefox but not accessible with NVDA/Firefox. The > developer said he tested his design with ChromeVox so that helps explain > the accessibility with Chrome. > > > > Two questions: at what point do you say an application or website is > screenreader accessible - does it have to work with every AT/browser combo > or if it seems to work with most, is that okay. Second, any ideas on why > the NVDA/FF environment does not work? BTW - this application was developed > under the ServiceNow platform. > > > > Thanks, > > Howard > > > > > > > -- > > Howard Kramer > > Conference Coordinator > > Accessing Higher Ground > > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> > > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> > > > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, > 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! > * And the *Technology > Access Series *. > Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your > earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danc at uw.edu Fri Feb 3 09:43:05 2017 From: danc at uw.edu (Dan Comden) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] site works with NVDA/Chrome, JAWS/IE, but not NVDA/Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <006B5C8325EEDA44A1A7D3955F5431CD80A9CFED@CIO-KRC-D1MBX04.osuad.osu.edu> Message-ID: Rather than "screenreader accessible" can we shoot for "accessible" instead? We have run into many instances where a screenreader can operate where a sighted keyboard user cannot. Happy Friday :) -*- Dan On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Howard Kramer wrote: > Thanks Peter. > > -Howard > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Bossley, Peter A. > wrote: > >> It is worth noting that Firefox + NVDA is our default testing combination >> because it brings you closest to modern web standards + modern screen >> reader without some of the guessing and extra excuse making that the >> commercial offerings sometimes insert into the process. >> >> If the site doesn?t work in FF + NVDA there are bound to be other issues. >> >> Without seeing the code it will be hard to guess what the issues are but >> I?ll tell you that service now has some serious challenges in this arena, >> and any views that are generated with their frameworks are probably going >> to be troublesome on one level or another for screen reader reliant users. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] >> *On Behalf Of *Howard Kramer >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2017 5:02 PM >> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> *Subject:* [Athen] site works with NVDA/Chrome, JAWS/IE, but not >> NVDA/Firefox >> >> >> >> Just wanted to get other folks' opinion on this. I've been helping to >> evaluate a prototype application here on our campus - time/payroll type >> tool. Surprisingly I've found the the interface is pretty accessible with >> NVDA/Chrome and JAWS/Firefox but not accessible with NVDA/Firefox. The >> developer said he tested his design with ChromeVox so that helps explain >> the accessibility with Chrome. >> >> >> >> Two questions: at what point do you say an application or website is >> screenreader accessible - does it have to work with every AT/browser combo >> or if it seems to work with most, is that okay. Second, any ideas on why >> the NVDA/FF environment does not work? BTW - this application was developed >> under the ServiceNow platform. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Howard >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Howard Kramer >> >> Conference Coordinator >> >> Accessing Higher Ground >> >> 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> >> >> cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> >> >> >> >> Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference >> * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, >> 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. >> >> >> >> Complete program information and registration is open for our full >> line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! >> * And the *Technology >> Access Series *. >> Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your >> earliest convenience for the largest selection. >> >> >> >> Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. >> * >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> > > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. > Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! > * And the *Technology > Access Series *. > Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your > earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > * > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Fri Feb 3 10:33:49 2017 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] site works with NVDA/Chrome, JAWS/IE, but not NVDA/Firefox In-Reply-To: References: <006B5C8325EEDA44A1A7D3955F5431CD80A9CFED@CIO-KRC-D1MBX04.osuad.osu.edu> Message-ID: I avoided just saying "accessible" because this was testing the screenreader portion. I figured I'd get flack for equating screenreader a11y with accessibility. But you got me from the other direction. :-) -Howard On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Dan Comden wrote: > Rather than "screenreader accessible" can we shoot for "accessible" > instead? > > We have run into many instances where a screenreader can operate where a > sighted keyboard user cannot. > > Happy Friday :) > > -*- Dan > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Howard Kramer wrote: > >> Thanks Peter. >> >> -Howard >> >> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Bossley, Peter A. >> wrote: >> >>> It is worth noting that Firefox + NVDA is our default testing >>> combination because it brings you closest to modern web standards + modern >>> screen reader without some of the guessing and extra excuse making that the >>> commercial offerings sometimes insert into the process. >>> >>> If the site doesn?t work in FF + NVDA there are bound to be other issues. >>> >>> Without seeing the code it will be hard to guess what the issues are but >>> I?ll tell you that service now has some serious challenges in this arena, >>> and any views that are generated with their frameworks are probably going >>> to be troublesome on one level or another for screen reader reliant users. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] >>> *On Behalf Of *Howard Kramer >>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2017 5:02 PM >>> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < >>> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >>> *Subject:* [Athen] site works with NVDA/Chrome, JAWS/IE, but not >>> NVDA/Firefox >>> >>> >>> >>> Just wanted to get other folks' opinion on this. I've been helping to >>> evaluate a prototype application here on our campus - time/payroll type >>> tool. Surprisingly I've found the the interface is pretty accessible with >>> NVDA/Chrome and JAWS/Firefox but not accessible with NVDA/Firefox. The >>> developer said he tested his design with ChromeVox so that helps explain >>> the accessibility with Chrome. >>> >>> >>> >>> Two questions: at what point do you say an application or website is >>> screenreader accessible - does it have to work with every AT/browser combo >>> or if it seems to work with most, is that okay. Second, any ideas on why >>> the NVDA/FF environment does not work? BTW - this application was developed >>> under the ServiceNow platform. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Howard >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Howard Kramer >>> >>> Conference Coordinator >>> >>> Accessing Higher Ground >>> >>> 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> >>> >>> cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> >>> >>> >>> >>> Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference >>> * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, >>> 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. >>> >>> >>> >>> Complete program information and registration is open for our full >>> line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! >>> * And the *Technology >>> Access Series *. >>> Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your >>> earliest convenience for the largest selection. >>> >>> >>> >>> Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. >>> * >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Howard Kramer >> Conference Coordinator >> Accessing Higher Ground >> 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> >> cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> >> >> Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference >> * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, >> 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. >> >> >> >> Complete program information and registration is open for our full >> line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! >> * And the *Technology >> Access Series *. >> Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your >> earliest convenience for the largest selection. >> >> >> >> Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. >> * >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> > > > -- > -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu > Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ > University of Washington UW Information Technology > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Brad.Held at ucf.edu Fri Feb 3 10:44:32 2017 From: Brad.Held at ucf.edu (Brad Held) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Adding captions to YouTube videos you don't own In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Jeffrey, It might not help your situation, but I wanted to let you know that YouTube now allows for contributions. If the owner set up this option, then closed captions can be contributed. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6054623?hl=en Hope this information is helpful to you and the group. Brad Held Accessible Technology Coordinator Student Accessibility Services University of Central Florida Ferrell Commons 7C, Room 155B Orlando, FL 32816-0161 (407) 823-2371 Image: Student Accessibility Services -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Adam Kosakowski Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 3:06 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' Subject: Re: [Athen] Adding captions to YouTube videos you don't own Thank you everyone for your input! I am definitely going to explore these options! Adam Kosakowski Director of Student Accessibility Services Clark University Preferred pronouns: he/him/himself Email: AKosakowski@clarku.edu Phone: 508-798-4368 Fax: 508-421-3700 To make an appointment, please call the office or stop by! Student Accessibility Services website -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 3:00 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 132, Issue 23 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Adding captions to YouTube videos you don't own (Joseph Polizzotto) 2. qualifications for a digital accessibility coordinator? (Dori Lloyd) 3. resources for accessibility review of 3rd party tools (Howard Kramer) 4. Re: qualifications for a digital accessibility coordinator? (Jennifer Sutton) 5. Re: resources for accessibility review of 3rd party tools (Rovner, Amy) 6. Re: resources for accessibility review of 3rd party tools (Howard Kramer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 12:31:10 -0800 From: "Joseph Polizzotto" To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" Subject: Re: [Athen] Adding captions to YouTube videos you don't own Message-ID: <009d01d27b37$cb66b7d0$62342770$@htctu.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Adam, I also recommend the use of Amara in this scenario. Before using Amara, it might also help to use Aeneas , which is a free tool that takes care of synchronizing the transcript with the YouTube video. If you have the transcript, just create an Aeneas project (from the command line or the Aeneas web app ) that aligns your transcript with the audio from the YouTube video. In the Aeneas web app, select the second button, "CC Task (from segmented text)", add desired settings, and enter the location of the transcript and the URL for the YouTube video. If you don't have a transcript, use the Aeneas web app to download the YouTube auto captions, which provide a "rought draft". Once editing is done, add any desired settings, and submit for alignment. The syncmap is sent to the registered email address. I have listed these steps below: Creating CC files with Aeneas + Amara 1. Create a Aeneas membership at www.aeneasweb.org 2. Under Submit New Job, select "CC Task (from scratch)" 3. Enter the URL for the YouTube video, select the language (of the video), and press download Auto CC 4. In the Review Automatic CC window, edit the content of the automatic CC file by a. Correcting misrecognitions b. Correcting punctuation c. Ending each sentence or grammatical unit on each line in the editor window 5. Press the Segment button to create new caption blocks 6. Review the revised caption blocks and press Upload 7. In the Other Settings window, further tweak your Aeneas project by: a. Ignoring certain strings of text (e.g., speaker identification) b. Identifying the head and tail of the audio file c. Removing non-speech fragments of audio (for alignment purposes only) d. Adjusting the boundary algorithm (changes how the aligner handles consecutive text fragments in relation to the determined maximum characters/second value) 8. Enter the name and format of the syncmap; then click Submit to send project to the aligner 9. An email is sent with an attachment of the syncmap (e.g., VTT, SRT, JSON, SUB, TTML) to the registered email address. 10. Upload the syncmap to the Amara account. HTH, Joseph From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 8:21 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Adding captions to YouTube videos you don't own Hello Adam, Although I haven't tried it personally, a colleague of mine has recommended Amara as an overlay for YouTube videos. Supposedly you can add transcripts into Amara and it will show the caption and transcript over the youtube video. I think the YouTube video may have to be listed as public for it to work.. http://amara.org/en/ Let me know if the tool meets your needs. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Adam Kosakowski Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 9:10 AM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' > Subject: [Athen] Adding captions to YouTube videos you don't own Hello wise list-ers! A professor of ours is showing a YouTube video they don't own and that doesn't have accurate captioning. We are currently working on a transcript but I definitely want to see if there is any way we can add captions to the video since that is way better than a print-out transcript. I reached out to the video's poster to ask that they enable community captioning, but haven't heard back yet. 3PlayMedia can give me access to a Caption Plugin that lets me do exactly this, but that costs however much they charge for a Pro account with them and being a private university we are looking to go as cheap as humanly possible. Any ideas/leads? Best, Adam Adam Kosakowski Director of Student Accessibility Services Clark University Preferred pronouns: he/him/himself Email: AKosakowski@clarku.edu Phone: 508-798-4368 Fax: 508-421-3700 To make an appointment, please call the office or stop by! 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However, he/she would help train faculty and staff to be mindful of what they send to the website technician to be loaded by way of documents, etc. He/she would also be responsible for helping faculty with the digital content they post for their courses. Anyhow, since this is a new position, I wanted to tap into the expertise of the group. Can anyone share with me offline a position description for a comparable position? Also, I'm curious as to what type of educational background/degree is acceptable to ask for when it comes to this type of position. I'm not aware of a digital/web accessibility degree but perhaps there is one or something similar? Or, perhaps the applicant's experience is more valuable than the degree? I would love to hear what others have had success with. Please feel free to message me offline: dori_lloyd@davidsonccc.edu. 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Message-ID: <112acc70-4e1d-70ba-52b6-cf6213a8da42@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Perhaps these sample job descriptions will help. https://athenpro.org/content/job-descriptions Best, Jennifer ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 22:01:41 +0000 From: "Rovner, Amy" To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] resources for accessibility review of 3rd party tools Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" We were just directed to this VPAT Repository put together by the Librarians for Universal Accessibility. It only relates to library items but it?s helpful nonetheless. Best, Amy From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 1:26 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] resources for accessibility review of 3rd party tools I'm trying to gather resources that evaluate the accessibility of 3rd party tools used on campus, including in the online learning environment. CU-Boulder has a nice resource for this at http://www.colorado.edu/accessibility/resources/accessibility-supported-technologies. Anyone know of any similar resources? Thanks, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. 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URL: From skeegan at ccctechcenter.org Fri Feb 3 12:54:31 2017 From: skeegan at ccctechcenter.org (Sean Keegan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible document cheat sheet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I know there are alternatives out there, but this was some quick information I created: https://www.cccaccessibility.org/techniques/accessible-document-creation Take care, sean On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Kluesner, Bryon wrote: > Hi all, > > > > Does anyone have a short 1-2 page document you would be willing to share > on how to create accessible documents in Word with appropriate headings, > styles, etc? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bryon > > > > *Bryon Kluesner, RhD* > > *Adaptive Technology Coordinator* > > *Disability Resource Center* > > *Adjunct Professor* > > *College of Health, Education & Professional Studies* > > *The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga* > 108 University Center > 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 > > Chattanooga, TN 37403 > > > > (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc > > > *A member of the **Division of Student Development* > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They are not updated for Word 2016, but should point you in the right direction. -- Korey Singleton, ATI Manager Assistive Technology Initiative George Mason University Aquia Building RM 238 MSN: 6A11 Fairfax Campus 4400 University Drive Fairfax, VA 22030 Phone: 703-993-2143 Fax: 703-993-4743 http://ati.gmu.edu Twitter: @AccessibleMason From: athen-list on behalf of "Kluesner, Bryon" Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Date: Friday, February 3, 2017 at 3:47 PM To: "athen-list@u.washington.edu" Subject: [Athen] Accessible document cheat sheet Hi all, Does anyone have a short 1-2 page document you would be willing to share on how to create accessible documents in Word with appropriate headings, styles, etc? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Adjunct Professor College of Health, Education & Professional Studies The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 108 University Center 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc A member of the Division of Student Development -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adwershing at pstcc.edu Fri Feb 3 13:01:08 2017 From: adwershing at pstcc.edu (Wershing, Alice D.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] accessing software from any computer Message-ID: Hello, I'm wondering what other schools are doing with licenses such as JAWS and Zoomtext, so that students can access the software from any computer. Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7699 (fax) East TN Region Accessibility Specialist Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus PSCC Access for All Blog PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page (PSCC-Disability Services) PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed (@Access4allPSCC) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanessa.preast at dmu.edu Fri Feb 3 13:03:45 2017 From: vanessa.preast at dmu.edu (Preast, Vanessa) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible document cheat sheet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm working on some, so contact me in a few weeks...but these continue to be nice guides: http://ncdae.org/resources/cheatsheets/#msword The one for 2013 works for 2016 too. Best, Vanessa Vanessa.preast@dmu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 2:47 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Accessible document cheat sheet Hi all, Does anyone have a short 1-2 page document you would be willing to share on how to create accessible documents in Word with appropriate headings, styles, etc? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Adjunct Professor College of Health, Education & Professional Studies The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 108 University Center 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc A member of the Division of Student Development -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paire at temple.edu Fri Feb 3 13:10:02 2017 From: paire at temple.edu (Paul E. Paire) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] accessing software from any computer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64363dfe2f1f43159f576a35cb2ea1d4@exch15-mr04.tu.temple.edu> Some of the vendors have their own central licensing servers, some can leverage a third party licensing server such as KeyServer. We use both JAWS and ZoomText, and my recollection is that both have their own licensing server (for PC only, ZoomText for the Mac can't leverage this and requires individual licenses). -Paul From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 4:01 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] accessing software from any computer Hello, I'm wondering what other schools are doing with licenses such as JAWS and Zoomtext, so that students can access the software from any computer. Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7699 (fax) East TN Region Accessibility Specialist Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus PSCC Access for All Blog PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page (PSCC-Disability Services) PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed (@Access4allPSCC) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Fri Feb 3 13:57:02 2017 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Book Request Message-ID: <02e901d27e68$74018180$5c048480$@gmail.com> Hi all, Am looking for a PDF or e-version of this book. I do not have access to a guillotine or HS scanner today (we are covered in sheet ice and it is still coming down in Portland). I need the book ASAP in PDF format. I can convert to accessible format if any of you have the PDF. I own the book. E-Learning and Disability in Higher Education, Second Edition, Jane K. Seale. Routledge Press. ISBN: 978-0-415-62941-6 (paperback) Thank you. Wink Harner Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training Alternative Text & Media Production The Foreigntype foreigntype@gmail.com winkharner1113@gmail.com (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanessa.preast at dmu.edu Fri Feb 3 14:17:17 2017 From: vanessa.preast at dmu.edu (Preast, Vanessa) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word Accessibility Checker - what is and is not included? Message-ID: Hello, Perhaps I'm missing it, but I haven't been able to find a comprehensive list of what is and is not included in the automated accessibility checker built into Word. I've started putting together a document (still in development) with the results I've seen. https://docs.google.com/document/d/19kSTUSnsnto_jBsp3nkXrLHcjBCYBcKygUee4aCOR2k/edit?usp=sharing * Can anyone point me to a comprehensive list? * Does anyone want to co-edit this document with me, as a resource to the community? Best, Vanessa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SolowoniukR at macewan.ca Fri Feb 3 14:17:07 2017 From: SolowoniukR at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Book Request In-Reply-To: <02e901d27e68$74018180$5c048480$@gmail.com> References: <02e901d27e68$74018180$5c048480$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58949EF3020000EC0004E9E8@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> Hi Wink, Is this file for your personal use or for a student? The book is available on Bookshare, if you are a member? Of course, it will be in DAISY format, not PDF. We sometimes open the .xml file in Internet Explorer from the DAISY folder, and then copy the text to a Word document. If the file is for your personal use, I wouldn't mind downloading the book in my name and sending it your way. I'd be a little uncomfortable doing so if it's for a student, as the file will be watermarked with my name. Let me know. Best regards, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. >>> "Wink Harner" 2017-02-03 2:57 PM >>> Hi all, Am looking for a PDF or e-version of this book. I do not have access to a guillotine or HS scanner today (we are covered in sheet ice and it is still coming down in Portland). I need the book ASAP in PDF format. I can convert to accessible format if any of you have the PDF. I own the book. E-Learning and Disability in Higher Education, Second Edition, Jane K. Seale. Routledge Press. ISBN: 978-0-415-62941-6 (paperback) Thank you. Wink Harner Adaptive Technology Consulting & Training Alternative Text & Media Production The Foreigntype foreigntype@gmail.com winkharner1113@gmail.com (Disclaimer: this email was dictated with Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive any quirks, mis-recognitions, or omissions.) From greeark at uw.edu Fri Feb 3 14:58:32 2017 From: greeark at uw.edu (KRISTA L. GREEAR) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word Accessibility Checker - what is and is not included? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Vanessa, Let me connect you with Peter Frem. He's part of the Accessibility Checker team at Microsoft. Best, KRISTA GREEAR Assistant Director Disability Resources for Students 011 Mary Gates Hall Box 352808 Seattle, WA 98195-2808 Direct: 206.221.4136 / Main: 206.543.8924 greeark@uw.edu/ http://disability.uw.edu [cid:image001.gif@01D27E2D.FB5F7190] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 2:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Word Accessibility Checker - what is and is not included? Hello, Perhaps I'm missing it, but I haven't been able to find a comprehensive list of what is and is not included in the automated accessibility checker built into Word. I've started putting together a document (still in development) with the results I've seen. https://docs.google.com/document/d/19kSTUSnsnto_jBsp3nkXrLHcjBCYBcKygUee4aCOR2k/edit?usp=sharing * Can anyone point me to a comprehensive list? * Does anyone want to co-edit this document with me, as a resource to the community? Best, Vanessa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 1303 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: From ksinglet at gmu.edu Fri Feb 3 18:31:52 2017 From: ksinglet at gmu.edu (Korey J Singleton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word Accessibility Checker - what is and is not included? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Vanessa, Is this what you are looking for: https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Rules-for-the-Accessibility-Checker-651e08f2-0fc3-4e10-aaca-74b4a67101c1?ui=en-US&rs=en-US&ad=US -- Korey Singleton, ATI Manager Assistive Technology Initiative George Mason University 4400 University Drive, MSN 6A11 Fairfax, VA 22030 Phone: 703-993-2143 Fax: 703-993-4743 http://ati.gmu.edu ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Preast, Vanessa Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 5:17:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Word Accessibility Checker - what is and is not included? Hello, Perhaps I?m missing it, but I haven?t been able to find a comprehensive list of what is and is not included in the automated accessibility checker built into Word. I?ve started putting together a document (still in development) with the results I?ve seen. https://docs.google.com/document/d/19kSTUSnsnto_jBsp3nkXrLHcjBCYBcKygUee4aCOR2k/edit?usp=sharing * Can anyone point me to a comprehensive list? * Does anyone want to co-edit this document with me, as a resource to the community? Best, Vanessa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Mon Feb 6 06:50:26 2017 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible and Usable PDF Documents: Techniques for Document Authors Fourth Edition Message-ID: <000001d28088$5ad016a0$107043e0$@karlencommunications.com> Hi Everyone! Yes, it is finally finished! First published in 2005, the fourth edition of this book by Karen McCall provides tips, techniques and information on how to remediate PDF documents to meet compliance standards. The book features step-by-step instructions with images on how to remediate PDF documents to be accessible. Chapters include: Tags Panel, Order Panel and the TouchUp Reading Order tool, Content Panel, Repair Techniques in Acrobat, who are those of us with disabilities, types of adaptive technology, accessible document design basics, accessible fillable forms (including information on form design), AEM Form Designer, Redacted legal content and strategies for end-user testing. ISBN: 978-0-9868085-3-1 pp. 1022 Price: $65.00 USD The book can be purchased using a credit card through PubCom.com (http://www.pubcom.com/about/contactus.html ), or by invoice/PO directly from Karlen Communications http://karlencommunications.com/contact.htm. Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jiatyan at stanford.edu Mon Feb 6 12:37:02 2017 From: jiatyan at stanford.edu (Jiatyan Chen) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible document cheat sheet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92EF3D43-D315-4EFE-8DEE-76AF31C53FC4@stanford.edu> Hi Bryon, Will these work? http://ncdae.org/resources/cheatsheets/#msword -- Jiatyan Chen > On 2017 Feb 03, at 12:47, Kluesner, Bryon wrote: > > Does anyone have a short 1-2 page document you would be willing to share on how to create accessible documents in Word with appropriate headings, styles, etc? > From Elizabeth.Prickett at victoriacollege.edu Mon Feb 6 13:22:13 2017 From: Elizabeth.Prickett at victoriacollege.edu (Prickett, Elizabeth) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Mobile Devices and Electronic Text for Students Message-ID: <064e93e21f5143758b98eab14e76c82a@mail2013.victoriacollege.edu> Good afternoon! This is a bit of a follow up to Debee's Friday post on altmedia: Fun with Alexa! I just found out that one of our VPs wants to purchase Kindle Fires for students (or have the students purchase them) to use for digital copies of textbooks instead of paying for a paper copy. I have some major reservations about a singular device for such an endeavor, as device agnosticism is needed. I would always say that allowing students to use technology and assistive technology that works for them is the way to go. However, I'd need more information about the objective from our administration. I really want to check with other schools to see if you've been able to implement an accessible solution for students. Basically, I don't want to offer something awesome that's not available for students with disabilities. There do seem to be some cool universal design aspects, though. On the other hand...not all students prefer or desire electronic text, but that's another issue *smile*. I appreciate your experiences and insights! Have an excellent day! 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It is a well-established position on campus and all of the initiatives it is responsible for were designed and first implemented by Teresa Haven when she held the position. *Job Description* Under the supervision of the Disability Resources Director, the Accessibility Analyst will lead the current effort to evaluate the compliance and accessibility of all software and related materials currently in use on campus with regard to applicable laws and regulations, such as the Americans with Disability Act, and the experience of individuals with disabilities. The effort includes a review plan for existing software based on risk and system usage, a process to evaluate all new software before purchase and ensure necessary accommodations and/or remediation are negotiated prior to purchase, a training program to enable key personnel across campus to conduct accessibility evaluations, and a plan for addressing current accessibility issues. This individual will also oversee the creation of a cross-departmental Accessibility Group to raise awareness of accessibility, usability and compliance and to discuss RFP?s, new software, items currently under review, and upcoming significant projects. The Accessibility Analyst will ensure an appropriate audit trail is maintained for all evaluations, and that accommodation/remediation efforts are tracked and reported. They will also identify and make available resource materials on designing accessible web content. Northern Arizona University has established policies and procedures to ensure access to university wide technology and information and is a proponent of universal design. The university has a successful track record of working collaboratively with vendors to improve the accessibility of products and services. *Minimum Qualifications* - Bachelor?s degree or an equivalent combination of education and experience - Two years experience creating and implementing new processes in information technology - Excellent communication skills - Experience using tools to aid in accessibility evaluation - Experience regarding how people with disabilities access web-content ? including specific assistive technologies - Experience using assistive technologies such as screen readers and speech to text applications. - Ability to relate technical information to non-technical people - A proven ability to set and meet project targets - Understanding of HTML, Javascript, CSS, and XHTML - Understanding of WCAG 2.0 standards and Section 508 accessibility requirements *Preferred Qualifications* - Experience with technology issues in higher education - Successful experience as a technology project lead or manager - Experience working with a diverse community - Bachelor?s degree or higher in Educational Technology or Assistive Technology - Fluency with disability law and regulation in the higher education context - Experience coding for accessibility *Knowledge Skills and Abilities* Please see position description. *Background Information* This position has been identified as a safety/security sensitive position. Therefore, per AZ Revised Statute, Northern Arizona University requires satisfactory results for the following: a criminal background investigation, employment history investigation, degree verification (in some cases) and fingerprinting. Additionally, as an employer in the state of Arizona, NAU is required to participate in the federal E-Verify program that assists employers with verifying new employees' right to work in the United States. Finally, each year the Northern Arizona University Police Department releases an annual security report. The report is a result of the federal law known as the Clery Act and contains policy statements that address the school?s policies, procedures and programs concerning safety and security including policies for responding to emergency situations and sexual offenses. The report contains three years of data for Clery reportable crime statistics for the campus along with the most current year?s Fire Safety Report, which includes policy statements and fire statistics for Flagstaff on-campus student housing. The report may be viewed at nau.edu/clery or by visiting the NAUPD website at: http://www.nau.edu/police . A printed copy of the report is available upon request by contacting the NAU Police Department, Records Department at (928)523-8884 or by visiting the department at Building 98A on the NAU Mountain Campus. *Salary* Commensurate with experience. **The starting salary will be determined by the qualifications of the selected applicant balanced with departmental budget availability, internal salary equity considerations, and available market information. *FLSA Status* This position is exempt from the overtime provisions of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) and therefore will not earn overtime or compensatory time for additional time worked. *Benefits* This is a Service Professional (SPF) position. NAU offers an excellent benefit package including generous health, dental and vision insurance; participation in the Arizona State Retirement System or the Optional Retirement Program; 22 days of vacation and 10 holidays per year; and tuition reduction for employees and qualified dependents. More information on benefits at NAU is available at https://nau.edu/Human-Resources/Benefits/Eligibility-Enrollment/ NAU is a tobacco and smoke-free campus. Service Professionals are hired on a contract basis, renewable each 6 months according to terms of the Conditions of Professional Service, which may be found at: http://hr.nau.edu/sites/default/files/files/Conditions%20of%20Service%20Professional%20Dec%202012%20Rev.pdf/. Employees offered a position will be eligible for state health plans (including NAU's BCBS Plan). New employees are eligible for benefits on the first day of the pay period following their enrollment, after their employment date. Employees will have 31 days from their start date to enroll in benefits. If a new employee chooses the ASRS retirement option, participation in the Arizona State Retirement System, and the long-term disability coverage that accompanies it, will begin on the first of the pay period following 6 months after the new employee's start date. New employees who choose to participate in the Optional Retirement Plan (ORP), which is an alternative to the ASRS plan for faculty and other appointed staff, will begin to participate on the first day of employment. Additionally, the long-term disability plan that accompanies the ORP will begin on the first day of employment. More information is available at: https://nau.edu/Human-Resources/Benefits/Eligibility-Enrollment/ *Learning and Development* Your career at Northern Arizona University includes the opportunity for professional development. New employee on-boarding training includes courses to be completed within the first 30 days ( http://nau.edu/Human-Resources/Employee-Resources/Training/Required/ ). If your position includes the supervision of a benefit-eligible employee, we offer the NAU Supervisors Academy for you to complete within your first 2 years. In addition to the development classes offered in-person, every NAU employee receives a free subscription to Lynda.com. From this site you can access more than 1,400 training videos on a broad range of subjects, including business skills, photography, music and video, home computing, and web design and development. *Application Deadline* Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 11:59 P.M. *How to Apply* To apply for this position, please click on the "Apply" button on this page. You must submit your application by clicking on the "Submit" button by midnight of the application deadline. If you need assistance completing your application there are instructions available on line at http://nau.edu/human-resources/ or in person in the Human Resources Department located in Building 91 on the NAU Campus - on the corner of Beaver and DuPont Streets. If you are an individual with a disability and need reasonable accommodation to participate in the hiring process please contact the Office of Equity and Access at: 928-523-3312/TDD - 928-523-1006 or PO Box 4083, Flagstaff AZ 86011. *Additional Instructions* The applicant should address all minimum qualifications and as many of the preferred qualifications as possible in the cover letter, application or resume. Please submit the names and contact information of 3 professional references. *Equal Employment Opportunity* Northern Arizona University is a committed Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Institution. Women, minorities, veterans and individuals with disabilities are encouraged to apply. NAU is responsive to the needs of dual career couples. EEO is the Law Poster and Supplements NAU is an Employer of National Service. AmeriCorps, Peace Corps, and other National Service alumni are encouraged to apply. https://hr.peoplesoft.nau.edu/psp/ph92prta/EMPLOYEE/HRMS/c/HRS_HRAM.HRS_APP_SCHJOB.GBL?FOCUS=Applicant&Siteid=1&FolderPath=PORTAL_ROOT_OBJECT.HC_HRS_CE_GBL2&IsFolder=false&IgnoreParamTempl=FolderPath%25252cIsFolder If you have any specific questions please feel free to contact me directly. Jamie Axelrod Director, Disability Resources ADA Coordinator/504 Compliance Officer Northern Arizona University President, Association on Higher Education and Disability (928)523-8773 Jamie.Axelrod@nau.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bryon Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 6, 2017, at 3:40 PM, Jiatyan Chen wrote: > > Hi Bryon, > > Will these work? http://ncdae.org/resources/cheatsheets/#msword > > -- > Jiatyan Chen > > >> On 2017 Feb 03, at 12:47, Kluesner, Bryon wrote: >> >> Does anyone have a short 1-2 page document you would be willing to share on how to create accessible documents in Word with appropriate headings, styles, etc? >> > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From lisa.brandt1 at pcc.edu Tue Feb 7 09:54:13 2017 From: lisa.brandt1 at pcc.edu (Lisa Brandt) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible document cheat sheet In-Reply-To: <3D49DE8D-96EF-4285-A272-A9309CF3D2C7@utc.edu> References: <92EF3D43-D315-4EFE-8DEE-76AF31C53FC4@stanford.edu> <3D49DE8D-96EF-4285-A272-A9309CF3D2C7@utc.edu> Message-ID: There are also lots of nice cheat sheets here: http://www.pcc.edu/resources/instructional-support/access/ On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Kluesner, Bryon wrote: > Thanks. I have bookmarked the site. > > Bryon > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 6, 2017, at 3:40 PM, Jiatyan Chen wrote: > > > > Hi Bryon, > > > > Will these work? http://ncdae.org/resources/cheatsheets/#msword > > > > -- > > Jiatyan Chen > > > > > >> On 2017 Feb 03, at 12:47, Kluesner, Bryon > wrote: > >> > >> Does anyone have a short 1-2 page document you would be willing to > share on how to create accessible documents in Word with appropriate > headings, styles, etc? > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Lisa Brandt, PCC Disability Services Accessibility Technician Alternate Media Formats Technician SE SCOMM 112 | SY CC 260 Assistive Technology Support: access-tech-group@pcc.edu 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Google Kindle, accessibility, settlement and he/she will find more reading material on the issue. https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/colleague-20100629.html I would explore this fully as to what Amazon has changed about its product since then. Book publishers would still have to make use of any accessibility features that may exist now for the Kindle devices, but if they don't, then the buck will stop at the school to make it accessible. Kimberley J. Smith Access Specialist, Disabilities Resource Center Santa Fe College 3000 NW 83rd St. Building S, room 233 Gainesville, FL 32606 352-395-4429 (voice) 352-395-4100 (fax) kimberley.smith@sfcollege.edu http://www.sfcollege.edu/student/drc/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 3:00 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 133, Issue 6 3. Mobile Devices and Electronic Text for Students (Prickett, Elizabeth) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2017 21:22:13 +0000 From: "Prickett, Elizabeth" To: "'altmedia@htclistserv.htctu.fhda.edu'" , "'athen-list@u.washington.edu'" Subject: [Athen] Mobile Devices and Electronic Text for Students Message-ID: <064e93e21f5143758b98eab14e76c82a@mail2013.victoriacollege.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good afternoon! This is a bit of a follow up to Debee's Friday post on altmedia: Fun with Alexa! I just found out that one of our VPs wants to purchase Kindle Fires for students (or have the students purchase them) to use for digital copies of textbooks instead of paying for a paper copy. I have some major reservations about a singular device for such an endeavor, as device agnosticism is needed. I would always say that allowing students to use technology and assistive technology that works for them is the way to go. However, I'd need more information about the objective from our administration. I really want to check with other schools to see if you've been able to implement an accessible solution for students. Basically, I don't want to offer something awesome that's not available for students with disabilities. There do seem to be some cool universal design aspects, though. On the other hand...not all students prefer or desire electronic text, but that's another issue *smile*. I appreciate your experiences and insights! Have an excellent day! Liz Prickett Alternative Media Specialist Center for Academic & Professional Excellence (CAPE) Victoria College 2200 E. Red River Street Victoria, TX 77901 (361) 573-3291 x3243 Elizabeth.Prickett@VictoriaCollege.edu -- ________________________________ Please note that Florida has a broad public records law, and that all correspondence to or from College employees via email may be subject to disclosure. From jiatyan at stanford.edu Wed Feb 8 08:39:17 2017 From: jiatyan at stanford.edu (Jiatyan Chen) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Deadlines for syllabi to be posted prior to class start date? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kris, The Higher Education Opportunity Act (HEOA) of 2008 requires that faculty make syllabus and textbook information available in time for registration, and that's earlier than "first day of class". It applies to all undergrad, grad, professional schools receiving Federal financial assistance. -- Jiatyan Chen > On 2017 Feb 03, at 11:32, Kris LoFrumento wrote: > > Greetings all ? > We currently do not have a policy requiring our faculty to post their syllabi before the first day of classes. It is my gut instinct this is not a good no policy to have especially in regards to students who have ADA accommodations and needs (as well as for economic justice reasons where students are needing to make decisions about what books to buy at what times during the term). Do you have your own policies, guidelines you could share? I do serve a graduate only institution, but I?d be open to any policies/ideas! > > Thanks in advance! > > Peace, > Kris > > Kris LoFrumento, M.P.A. > Pronouns: she/her/hers > Director of Student Services > Coordinator, Retention Response Team > Methodist Theological School in Ohio > Ph: 740-362-3126 > www.mtso.edu > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From jsuttondc at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 09:11:34 2017 From: jsuttondc at gmail.com (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] DOJ Seeks Public Comment, Plans to Revise Section 504 Message-ID: <8423c07c-609b-daa3-d4f5-f723e7a6504e@gmail.com> Dear ATHENites and others: Given my recent focus on 508, I'd missed this about 504. Sharing in case others may have, too. Thanks, 3Play folks, for actively contributing to the community, often beyond the specific focus on captioning. Best, Jennifer DOJ Seeks Public Comment, Plans to Revise Section 504 http://www.3playmedia.com/2017/01/23/doj-seeks-public-comment-plans-to-revise-section-504-of-the-rehabilitation-act/ From jiatyan at stanford.edu Wed Feb 8 10:35:59 2017 From: jiatyan at stanford.edu (Jiatyan Chen) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] EDUCAUCE Review: ADA Compliance for Online Course Design Message-ID: <40EA8414-CD12-43E8-8CE1-B5C96B72A73A@stanford.edu> Shoutout to Sheryl Burgstahler for her article on simple strategies and tips for accessible online courses. http://er.educause.edu/articles/2017/1/ada-compliance-for-online-course-design -- Jiatyan Chen From kkolander at stchas.edu Wed Feb 8 11:19:51 2017 From: kkolander at stchas.edu (Keith Kolander) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] EDUCAUCE Review: ADA Compliance for Online Course Design In-Reply-To: <40EA8414-CD12-43E8-8CE1-B5C96B72A73A@stanford.edu> References: <40EA8414-CD12-43E8-8CE1-B5C96B72A73A@stanford.edu> Message-ID: FYI. Looks like a good resource link for accessible online courses. Keith -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Jiatyan Chen Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 12:36 PM To: The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group Listserv ; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] EDUCAUCE Review: ADA Compliance for Online Course Design Shoutout to Sheryl Burgstahler for her article on simple strategies and tips for accessible online courses. http://er.educause.edu/articles/2017/1/ada-compliance-for-online-course-design -- Jiatyan Chen _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From athenpresident at gmail.com Wed Feb 8 20:00:58 2017 From: athenpresident at gmail.com (ATHEN President) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN Scholarship Committee Participation Message-ID: Hello all, At the ATHEN Annual Meeting at the Accessing Higher Ground Conference, the membership voted to create a scholarship in remembrance of our colleague and past-vice-president, Teresa Haven. While several of you indicated an interest in participating on the committee, the full list of names went missing and so we are reaching out again. If you are interested in participating as a reviewer on the ATHEN Scholarship Committee, please contact Robert Beach (rbeach@kckcc.edu) and indicate your willingness to participate. We will be announcing the scholarship information very soon. The expected timeline for reviews would be from mid-April to May. Thank you to those who are willing to step forward and participate. Take care, Sean Sean Keegan ATHEN President -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From heather.westerlund at mail.waldenu.edu Thu Feb 9 07:27:36 2017 From: heather.westerlund at mail.waldenu.edu (Heather P. 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URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Fri Feb 10 11:07:35 2017 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: AHEAD offers Master Classes, an advanced curriculum for ADA professionals in high education May 18-20 In-Reply-To: <022501d283ce$03c99590$0b5cc0b0$@comcast.net> References: <022501d283ce$03c99590$0b5cc0b0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00af01d283d0$f1200750$d36015f0$@htctu.net> "The Next Chapter" Master Classes for the Seasoned Professional this May in Dallas, Texas https://www.ahead.org/meet/conferences/the-next-chapter The Next Chapter: Master Classes for the Seasoned Professional May 18 - 20, 2017 The Sheraton Dallas Hotel, Dallas, Texas AHEAD, through its conferences, webinars, and other resources, is recognized as a leader in providing professional development for disability services and resource personnel. For a number of years, highly experienced professionals have also asked for more content that pushes their development: that assists them in making nuanced decisions, staying current with legal and technological changes, engaging campus stakeholders, and gaining the respect necessary to redefine access on their campuses. The Next Chapter is a response to those requests. With four 3-day Master Classes, we invite institutional leaders and seasoned disability providers, with a solid understanding of the ADA and disability accommodation process, to join national-expert instructors for a deep dive into an "advanced" curriculum. Programs include: * Access in the Health Sciences Curriculum: Advanced Training for Disability Professionals * System Change: Advanced Advocacy for Access and Inclusion * Disability Law: Lessons in Application for the Advanced Disability Professional * The ADA Coordinator Role: Advanced Issues in Higher Education To ensure maximum learning and interaction, registrations will be capped for each Master Class. All programs include 20-hours of instruction and result in a certificate to document enhanced expertise in a specific area of access and inclusion. Some Classes will require pre-work. AHEAD is applying for CEU pre-approval from the CRCC for this program. Program Schedule Thursday & Friday - 6.75 hours; Saturday - 6.5 hours * 9:00-10:30- 1.5 hour training time * 10:30-10:45- break * 10:45-12:30- 1.75 hour training time * 12:30-1:45- lunch * 1:45-3:30- 1.75 hour training time * 3:30-3:45- break * 3:45-5:30 (5:15 on Saturday)- 1.75 hour training time Please Note: Based on the required 4-hours of pre-work, the Access in the Health Sciences Curriculum program will not meet until Thursday afternoon and will have slightly different hours that will be shared with registrants in April. Disability Law: Lessons in Application for the Advanced Disability Professional Paul D. Grossman, J.D., OCR, Chief Regional Civil Rights Attorney, San Francisco, retired; University of California, Hastings College of Law Jamie Axelrod, M.S., Northern Arizona University Mary Lee Vance, Ph.D., University of Berkeley, retired; Consultant The higher education environment and the legal concepts intended to ensure its accessibility are multi-faceted and ever-changing. It can sometimes feel as though the more we know, the more challenging it can be to find the salient issues in novel situations and apply the relevant legal concepts. Nonetheless, the law is an effective tool for both securing students' civil rights and setting limits. Even with mastery of baseline information, we face the greater challenge of figuring out how to implement it. For example, how on earth can you assure that every video posted by every faculty member, adjunct instructor, and visiting professor is captioned? This advanced training will highlight long-standing and widely-accepted judicial precedents and principles, as well as the latest decisions on cutting-edge issues, and provide an interactive exploration of their practical implications. We will succinctly cover the law, from basics to cutting-edge principles, and facilitate best practice discussions through multiple case scenarios. Within a team of experienced colleagues, you will have the opportunity to become facile with the law by applying it to realistic and complex hypothetical questions, sharing your ideas and solutions, and exploring approaches to effective implementation. Together with your colleagues and the presenters, you will explore these difficult issues and assess practical policies, processes, and procedures that provide effective access in accordance with legal obligations. We will also explore approaches to effectively communicate with campus partners/opponents and administrators in ways that can bring about more inclusive and accessible programs and services. Many of our hypotheticals will be based on OCR/DOJ findings, letters, and court decisions that reflect common and recurring situations; participant scenarios are also welcome. This certificate-bearing Master Class will include 20-hours of face-to-face discussion and instruction. Participants will be sent four seminal rulings related to disability law in postsecondary education to review prior to our time together; on-site work will focus on application in the following areas: * Selling your mission: disability rights as a civil rights * The definition of disability under Section 504, the ADA as amended by the ADAAA, and, most importantly, the new DOJ Title II and Title III regulations, including the new emphasis on "condition, manner, and duration" analysis * Accommodations, academic adjustments, and auxiliary aids that are, or are not, required in the postsecondary setting * Ways to consider and implement the primary defenses to the duty to accommodate including "equally effective alterations", "fundamental alteration," and "undue burden" * The digital world, including alternate media production and access to websites, academic management tools, on-line learning, and adaptive technology * Service and emotional support animals * Programs and facility access * Discipline and student conduct * Self-injurious students * Internships and field work Access in the Health Sciences Curriculum: Advanced Training for Disability Professionals Lisa Meeks, Ph.D., University of California, San Francisco Elisa Laird-Metke, J.D., Samuel Merritt University The high stakes environment of the health sciences, coupled with multi-layered educational experiences (e.g., didactics, anatomy labs, clinical rotations, standardized patient exams, etc.) creates a minefield for disability service professionals unfamiliar with the culture, hierarchy, and nuanced elements of teaching in medical fields. Challenges particular to health science programs include the lock-step nature of most programs, competitive admissions, potential ramifications of disclosing a disability as a future health care provider, differing needs in didactic vs. clinical settings, and the need for proactive planning to address issues that arise in clinical settings. Disability service professionals in medicine, nursing, dental, pharmacy, physical and occupational therapy, physician assistant, and other health-related areas must understand these issues, as well as the strict requirements for meeting technical standards, core competencies, and board and licensing exam requirements. Even the most seasoned disability service professional needs additional support and education to work effectively in these environments. This dynamic and interactive 20-hour certificate program will include self-study, case study, deconstruction of OCR and court cases, and small group discussion. Together, these experiences will prepare experienced providers to work through complex accommodation requests and identify recurrent health science challenges. The program leaders will provide models for decision-making and communication, guidance on policy and procedure, and a process flow for determining and implementing accommodations. Presented in partnership with the Coalition for Disability Access in Health Sciences in Medical Education, the Master Class includes 4-hours of pre-work and 16-hours of face-to-face instruction in the following areas: * Quick review of relevant disability laws, with detailed instruction on their application in health sciences education * Educating health science faculty members about the ADA and access for students with disabilities * Review of health science technical standards and balancing disability accommodations with program requirements * Determining reasonable accommodations in the clinical environment, including labs, clerkships, preceptorships, and objective structured clinical examination (OSCEs) and other standardized patient activities * Relationship between accommodations and patient safety concerns, or perceived concerns * Creating effective policies and procedures for determining and implementing accommodations, including review of relevant case law and OCR resolutions * Best practices for communication about disability-related issues among faculty and students * Working with health science students with differing disabilities, including psychological, communication-based, physical, and sensory conditions * Working with health science faculty members on maintaining their roles as educators when working with students with disabilities * "Busting" prevailing myths regarding students with disabilities in health science programs, including concerns about patient safety, requirements and standards, preparation for the "real world" of work, and how to counter those when they arise * The ABC's of licensing exams and how to support students through them * Guiding students regarding how they disclose disability and request accommodations in the program, in residency or fellowships, and in employment System Change: Advanced Advocacy for Access and Inclusion Sue Kroeger, University of Arizona Melanie Thornton, CURRENTS, University of Arkansas Gladys Loewen, Consultant Carol Funckes, AHEAD Whether from an office of one or sixty-one, being a visible and persistent facilitator of system change is "the good work" in which disability services' staff must engage if meaningful access and inclusion are to be realized. From student services to strategic planning; from onsite and online instruction to the workplace; from electronic information systems to facilities design and construction, disability intersects with every corner of our institutions. Yet, oftentimes disability service staff feel powerless and helpless in galvanizing campus communities to change the dominant disability narrative from tragedy and pity to respect and appreciation or change the design of environments from oppressive and exclusive to equitable and inclusive. As disability service personnel, we often assume that we don't have the clout or resources necessary to affect change: that our opinions are not sought or valued, our supervisors not supportive, and our administrators only interested in avoiding litigation. We feel overworked and under-resourced. We don't see disability well-represented in our campus diversity efforts and perceive the parameters of our offices as limiting our ability to help move the institution toward an inclusive, welcoming culture. While these assumptions have merit, with knowledge, skills, and motivation, we can become effective agents of systemic change. This provocative and interactive certificate program is based on curriculum from the federally-funded Project ShIFT, a project that changed perceptions of access on campuses across the country and propelled participants into national leadership roles. It will include a variety of instructional strategies to build knowledge in the areas of privilege, social justice, the disability experience, and design and skills in advocacy, environmental assessment, and strategic connections and coalitions. The 20-hour Master Class includes a full three-days of instruction to increase fluency relative to disability access and inclusion. Key questions that will guide our work include: * What is the dominant disability narrative on our campuses? * What are our beliefs and conceptualizations about disability? * Is there dissonance between our beliefs about disability and our rhetoric and behavior? * Do our practices reflect scholarship? * In what roles do we feel most comfortable? Most uncomfortable? * What is the disabled student experience on our campuses? * Would our institutions rather appropriate funds to proactively modify campus environments or wait to see who needs access and address those situations individually? Why? * If our goals are access, inclusion, equity, and sustainability, then what is the good work to do? * Do we see ourselves as agents of social change? * How do we agitate/advocate for transforming the way our campuses think about difference, disability, and design? * How do we demonstrate design's capacity to solve, or at least decrease, exclusion and marginalization? The ADA Coordinator Role: Advanced Issues in Compliance in Higher Education L. Scott Lissner, ADA Coordinator, The Ohio State University The Americans with Disabilities Act requires state and local entities with over 50 employees to designate an ADA Coordinator (all federal fund recipients must designate a 504 Compliance Officer) to oversee and coordinate ADA compliance. The U.S. Department of Justice strongly recommends that smaller public entities and businesses also designate an ADA Coordinator as best practice in meeting their compliance obligations. Over the past 25 years full-time ADA Coordinators have become increasingly common in higher education and increasingly important in providing seamless access. This training is intended for participants familiar with Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act, the Americans with Disabilities Act, and the process of reasonable accommodation. Using a review of the administrative requirements of the ADA, the facilitator will draw on his and participants' experiences to explore the role of ADA Coordinators within higher education and explore best practice strategies for implementing a coordinated program that moves colleges and universities towards seamless access and enhances the full participation of disabled individuals in all aspects of the academic enterprise. Across a range of practice areas that reflect the diversity and scope of higher education, participants in this advanced level, certificate program will review relevant statutes, regulations, and case law, balanced with case studies, hypotheticals, and practical resources for future reference. Within and across topics, concrete examples will highlight core principles and process that can be adapted to a range of educational institutions. We will cover: * The Letter and Spirit of the Law, including Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act, the five titles of the ADA, interactions with state law, federal grant requirements, core administrative requirements * Infrastructure policy: institutional mission and philosophy, core nondiscrimination issues, compliance social justice, etc. * Budget models: central vs. distributed, core vs. auxiliary service; undue financial hardship; etc. * Facility Access: standards, universal design, construction and renovation, audits, funding, deferred maintenance * Information and Communications Technology Access: standards and benchmarks, audits and strategic access plans, bids and purchasing, curriculum and text embedded technologies, policy models * Transportation Systems: shuttles, rentals, personal cars and parking, field trips, campus bus systems, contracts with public transportation, car and bike share programs * Purchasing: Calls for Proposals, contracts and services, real estate, etc. * Student accommodation process: reasonableness, undue burden, direct threat; effective, equally effective, and ability to benefit * Employee accommodations: intersection with family medical leave and workers' compensation, benefit programs, annual reviews, corrective action, termination * Accommodation requests from other program participants: prospective families, community members, patients, research subjects, etc. * Access and accommodation in unique programs: hotels, hospitals, farms, extension programs, senior and alumna programs, dual enrollment and pipeline programs * Internal and external complain investigations, including Department of Education, Department of Justice, Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, and other federal agencies Bio's for the faculty, registration and additional information can be found on the AHEAD website at: https://www.ahead.org/meet/conferences/the-next-chapter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks in advanced, KRISTA GREEAR Assistant Director Disability Resources for Students 011 Mary Gates Hall Box 352808 Seattle, WA 98195-2808 Direct: 206.221.4136 / Main: 206.543.8924 greeark@uw.edu/ http://disability.uw.edu [cid:image001.gif@01D28391.12F5C940] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 1303 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: From blrichwine at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 13:03:46 2017 From: blrichwine at gmail.com (Brian Richwine) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] MathML Accessibility Guidelines Message-ID: Hello, Do anyone know of a guidance document for creating proper MathML for accessibility? Kind of a WCAG for MathML? A major publisher provided us what they are calling an accessible HTML textbook. However, the MathML employed in the textbook is designed for display formatting instead of as appropriate for a non-visual user. By display MathML I mean that the MathML makes heavy use of mtables (including multiple levels of nested mtables) to layout equations and annotation of equations within a multi-columnar/multi-row arrangement. The tables do not linearize logically. When it's not a total mess, the non-visual user would still have to develop an spacial 2D guess as how the math equation is arranged and then analyze the multiple nested tables into a 2D space around that equation before making any sense of the annotation. If possible, I'm looking for some official or at least respected source of this information so that the publisher will take the feedback as credible. I'd also be interested if anyone has had successful conversations with a publisher regarding appropriate use of MathML in textbooks for accessibility. 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Does anyone know of any higher ed groups working on such a project? We were just successful at getting the LaTex source files for a advanced mathematics textbook from a major higher ed textbook publisher. However it took weeks and contact from many university officials to get them to release the files. We just received the files and we are now 5 or so weeks into the semester. Even still, it will literally save us thousands of dollars in editing costs and will greatly increase the speed at which we can produce the rest of the book in braille. If the publisher would have responded earlier, we could have saved even more money and provided a better result to the student by focusing our staff energies on tactile diagrams and other efforts. BACKGROUND: The LaTex source files for mathematics texts are great, because they can be very easily (read quickly and accurately) converted into a format the Duxbury Braille Translation software will process. This prevents the laborious retyping of each equation into MathType. (we tried the most recent Infty Reader with very frustrating and poor results; it crashed on most every source page). We originally requested a publisher copy of the textbook via ATN. ATN's system did not offer LaTex as a request format choice (it only offered PDF). However, it was fairly obvious to those familiar with LaTex that the textbook had been typeset in LaTex/Tex. So, we tried a special instructions ATN request for LaTex. ATN's response was a flat out the publisher does not have a LaTex version of the textbook. Through various channels we have directly with the publisher, we got them to admit that they did indeed have the LaTex source, only we'd have to wait until they could get their permissions department to release those. It took us several weeks of contacting them repeatedly before their permissions department gave permission to release the files. Thanks, Brian Richwine Manager, UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers, Indiana University https://atac.iu.edu (812) 856-2757 [Direct Line] (812) 856-4112 [Office Number] brichwin@iu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rsthompson2 at ua.edu Fri Feb 10 13:50:39 2017 From: rsthompson2 at ua.edu (Thompson, Rachel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word to PDF conversion suggestions? Message-ID: Hi, all. We are about to start a process of converting Word to PDF and posting online hundreds of policy documents. Our institution plans to make sure they are accessible and our IT group has been tasked with automating this conversion process as much as possible. What tools do you know of that can help with this? Any suggestions from your experience? Thanks for any ideas, Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility The Center for Instructional Technology The University of Alabama 110 Russell Hall Box 870248 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 205-348-0216 rsthompson2@ua.edu | http://cit.ua.edu | http://accessibility.ua.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lorilane at illinois.edu Fri Feb 10 14:27:22 2017 From: lorilane at illinois.edu (Lane, Lori) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word to PDF conversion suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C441EDE17CEB4DBBFF2545E3E06851344A7E31@CITESMBX1.ad.uillinois.edu> Hi Rachel, If you are dealing with converting documents like lots of tables to PDF tags automatically, this can be done using the macro recording application. There are several competitive utilities out there on the Internet. One example is the JitBit Macro Recorder - https://www.jitbit.com/macro-recorder/. I personally never used it, but a colleague of mine used it in his work. He had to check to make sure it was tagged correctly after it was done. It really saves time and allows you to work on other tasks. This application is also perfect for those with limited mobility (can't use the mouse or keyboard). All you have to do is to assign your mouse and keyboard macros to hotkeys and let them run the course. Cheers, Lori From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Rachel Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 3:51 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Word to PDF conversion suggestions? Hi, all. We are about to start a process of converting Word to PDF and posting online hundreds of policy documents. Our institution plans to make sure they are accessible and our IT group has been tasked with automating this conversion process as much as possible. What tools do you know of that can help with this? Any suggestions from your experience? Thanks for any ideas, Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility The Center for Instructional Technology The University of Alabama 110 Russell Hall Box 870248 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 205-348-0216 rsthompson2@ua.edu | http://cit.ua.edu | http://accessibility.ua.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbailey at uoregon.edu Fri Feb 10 14:38:47 2017 From: jbailey at uoregon.edu (James Bailey) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word to PDF conversion suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5b5e2d0d0bc244f6b21f9326d30fefdf@ad-cc-ex1.ad.uoregon.edu> Rachel, I'd test CommonLook's Office Global Access, It's a plug in for Word and PowerPoint. I also suggest you train the people using Word on the proper way to format Word docs for PDF. It's important to point out that we're talking about a new PDF from a new (hopefully) Word doc. If you we were discussing remediating legacy PDFs, then this would be a whole different conversation. They may try and sell you a process called CommonLook Campus 101, but I can't speak to that. They say they developed it with the CSU system, so maybe someone from there could chime in. If these are older Word docs, I'd consider ensuring that they are formatted for best PDF conversion. Best regards, James -- James Bailey M.S. Associate Director Accessible Education Center University of Oregon From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Rachel Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 1:51 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Word to PDF conversion suggestions? Hi, all. We are about to start a process of converting Word to PDF and posting online hundreds of policy documents. Our institution plans to make sure they are accessible and our IT group has been tasked with automating this conversion process as much as possible. What tools do you know of that can help with this? Any suggestions from your experience? Thanks for any ideas, Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility The Center for Instructional Technology The University of Alabama 110 Russell Hall Box 870248 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 205-348-0216 rsthompson2@ua.edu | http://cit.ua.edu | http://accessibility.ua.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Fri Feb 10 14:55:05 2017 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (Chagnon | PubCom) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word to PDF conversion suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00e001d283f0$c3f3cc10$4bdb6430$@pubcom.com> Probably the simplest solution is to format the Word document correctly so that it exports to an accessible PDF. No extra tools needed, other that Acrobat Pro itself to test and tweak the final accessibility features. Looking forward, you can also make accessible Word templates that help content creators easily and quickly create accessible documents. And if you're remediating legacy PDFs, we recommend CommonLook. But remember, no software tool can fully test and remediate a file. Real humans need to determine if the correct tags were used, that the reading orders are logical, how "appropriate" the Alt-text is, and other accessibility requirements. To the best of my knowledge, no one has yet created a magic wand you can wave over file and instantly make it accessibility . For guidance on how to make an accessible PDF from Word, consider Karen McCall's recent update of her book, Accessible and Usable PDF Documents: Techniques for Document Authors, Fourth Edition. You can order from us at http://www.pubcom.com/books/ or contact us at books@pubcom.com We also make accessible templates for institutions (government agencies and academia) that are crucial a sane, economical, and "workable" workflow. --Bevi Chagnon - - - Bevi Chagnon | www.PubCom.com Technologists, Consultants, Trainers, Designers, and Developers for publishing & communication | Acrobat PDF | Print | EPUBS | Sec. 508 Accessibility | - - - From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Rachel Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 4:51 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Word to PDF conversion suggestions? Hi, all. We are about to start a process of converting Word to PDF and posting online hundreds of policy documents. Our institution plans to make sure they are accessible and our IT group has been tasked with automating this conversion process as much as possible. What tools do you know of that can help with this? Any suggestions from your experience? Thanks for any ideas, Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility The Center for Instructional Technology The University of Alabama 110 Russell Hall Box 870248 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 205-348-0216 rsthompson2@ua.edu | http://cit.ua.edu | http://accessibility.ua.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.noble at louisville.edu Fri Feb 10 15:05:43 2017 From: steve.noble at louisville.edu (steve.noble@louisville.edu) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] MathML Accessibility Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here are a few resources to consider: http://www.hawkeslearning.com/Accessibility/guides/mathml_content.html http://www.daisy.org/z3986/structure/SG-DAISY3/part2-math.html There is need for much more documentation of best practices in this area, but little funding to provide the people-hours to write it up. Gives me an idea of a grant proposal I need to write. But, alas, the reviewers probably won't understand the importance and it will never get funded. Perhaps something the Benetech Standards Workgroup is planning to address. --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Brian Richwine [blrichwine@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 4:03 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] MathML Accessibility Guidelines Hello, Do anyone know of a guidance document for creating proper MathML for accessibility? Kind of a WCAG for MathML? A major publisher provided us what they are calling an accessible HTML textbook. However, the MathML employed in the textbook is designed for display formatting instead of as appropriate for a non-visual user. By display MathML I mean that the MathML makes heavy use of mtables (including multiple levels of nested mtables) to layout equations and annotation of equations within a multi-columnar/multi-row arrangement. The tables do not linearize logically. When it's not a total mess, the non-visual user would still have to develop an spacial 2D guess as how the math equation is arranged and then analyze the multiple nested tables into a 2D space around that equation before making any sense of the annotation. If possible, I'm looking for some official or at least respected source of this information so that the publisher will take the feedback as credible. I'd also be interested if anyone has had successful conversations with a publisher regarding appropriate use of MathML in textbooks for accessibility. Thanks, Brian Richwine Manager, UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers, Indiana University https://atac.iu.edu (812) 856-2757 [Direct Line] (812) 856-4112 [Office Number] brichwin@iu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blrichwine at gmail.com Fri Feb 10 15:40:23 2017 From: blrichwine at gmail.com (Brian Richwine) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] MathML Accessibility Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Steve, I had not seen the Hawkes learning resource before. It does seen that there needs to be guidance on how to design MathML for accessibility... with a a section on design considerations to help publishers understand what can and cannot be accessibly interpreted from an auditory or braille representation of MathML. Especially if there were some examples of what not to do with an accompanying explanation. I think in this case, the publisher took a textbook that was originally typeset in Tex and converted parts of it into MathML from that Tex and then published that as what they intended to be an accessible HTML eBook. Unfortunately it apparently was not done with an awareness of if the resulting MathML was or was not appropriate for accessibility purposes. I'm trying to figure out what the best constructive feedback is I can provide to them. Thanks again, Brian On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 6:05 PM, wrote: > Here are a few resources to consider: > > http://www.hawkeslearning.com/Accessibility/guides/mathml_content.html > > http://www.daisy.org/z3986/structure/SG-DAISY3/part2-math.html > > > > There is need for much more documentation of best practices in this area, > but little funding to provide the people-hours to write it up. Gives me an > idea of a grant proposal I need to write. But, alas, the reviewers probably > won't understand the importance and it will never get funded. Perhaps > something the Benetech Standards Workgroup is planning to address. > > > > --Steve Noble > steve.noble@louisville.edu > 502-969-3088 <(502)%20969-3088> > http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on > behalf of Brian Richwine [blrichwine@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 4:03 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* [Athen] MathML Accessibility Guidelines > > Hello, > > Do anyone know of a guidance document for creating proper MathML for > accessibility? Kind of a WCAG for MathML? > > A major publisher provided us what they are calling an accessible HTML > textbook. However, the MathML employed in the textbook is designed for > display formatting instead of as appropriate for a non-visual user. > > By display MathML I mean that the MathML makes heavy use of mtables > (including multiple levels of nested mtables) to layout equations and > annotation of equations within a multi-columnar/multi-row arrangement. The > tables do not linearize logically. When it's not a total mess, the > non-visual user would still have to develop an spacial 2D guess as how the > math equation is arranged and then analyze the multiple nested tables into > a 2D space around that equation before making any sense of the annotation. > > If possible, I'm looking for some official or at least respected source of > this information so that the publisher will take the feedback as credible. > > I'd also be interested if anyone has had successful conversations with a > publisher regarding appropriate use of MathML in textbooks for > accessibility. > > Thanks, > Brian Richwine > > > > Manager, UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers, Indiana > University > > https://atac.iu.edu > > > (812) 856-2757 [Direct Line] > > (812) 856-4112 [Office Number] > > brichwin@iu.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsuttondc at gmail.com Sun Feb 12 17:22:19 2017 From: jsuttondc at gmail.com (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] video accessibility on Facebook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know whether you've gotten answers to your questions, but perhaps this will be a helpful start: https://www.facebook.com/help/509746615868430 Maybe you can follow up with Facebook directly, to see what they recommend. I happened to see: @fbaccess tweet this link in the last few days because they've recently launched automatic captioning, if I understand correctly. At least there seems to be a way to edit the auto-captioning, so the captions won't be "craptions" (not my term, but a good one, I think). Best, Jennifer On 2/10/2017 11:32 AM, KRISTA L. GREEAR wrote: > > Two questions that cropped up from my captioning training with Housing > and Food Services yesterday ? > > What?s the best process for ensuring the videos they post on Facebook > are accessible? They create videos on the fly. And create videos > hosted on their YouTube channel (I taught them how to create/edit > captions using YouTube). > > And they regularly livestream on Facebook. Sometimes there?s audio but > sometimes the stream is of a scene, like freshmen moving in on move-in > day. Has anyone else dealt with this situation? How have you handled > it? I told them about remote CART services. > > Thanks in advanced, > > *KRISTA GREEAR* > > Assistant Director > > Disability Resources for Students > > 011 Mary Gates Hall > > Box 352808 > Seattle, WA 98195-2808 > > Direct: 206.221.4136 / Main: 206.543.8924 > > greeark@uw.edu / http://disability.uw.edu > __ > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hunziker at email.arizona.edu Mon Feb 13 08:43:20 2017 From: hunziker at email.arizona.edu (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] video accessibility on Facebook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Krista, We are captioning our Facebook videos on the main University of Arizona Facebook page. As of now, the videos posted are all planned in advance so we get captions created in advance. Maybe "posting on the fly" is not an option? Perhaps they post it a couple of hours after the recording so there's time to get a captioned version posted... This is a discussion we're having now as well. If the same videos are posted on YouTube and Facebook, the SRT file created from the YouTube video could be downloaded and uploaded to Facebook. Something to know - posting links to YouTube videos does not reach the audience numbers the way posting the video directly via Facebook does because Facebook "downgrades" the YouTube links in favor of their hosted videos. I'm still working to figure out a plan for the livestream and learning who on campus is taking advantage of this communication tool. If the live events are planned in advance, then a CART writer could certainly be provided. In the comments, simply post the URL to view captions... If the live stream does not have sound, then have that information posted in the comments somehow and regularly so it shows up as a recent comment? If you come up with processes around these items, please share as I'm sure we're not the only ones working on solutions! Have a great day, Dawn ~~ Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant Disability Resource Center 520-626-9409 hunziker@email.arizona.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of KRISTA L. GREEAR Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 12:33 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] video accessibility on Facebook Two questions that cropped up from my captioning training with Housing and Food Services yesterday - What's the best process for ensuring the videos they post on Facebook are accessible? They create videos on the fly. And create videos hosted on their YouTube channel (I taught them how to create/edit captions using YouTube). And they regularly livestream on Facebook. Sometimes there's audio but sometimes the stream is of a scene, like freshmen moving in on move-in day. Has anyone else dealt with this situation? How have you handled it? I told them about remote CART services. Thanks in advanced, KRISTA GREEAR Assistant Director Disability Resources for Students 011 Mary Gates Hall Box 352808 Seattle, WA 98195-2808 Direct: 206.221.4136 / Main: 206.543.8924 greeark@uw.edu/ http://disability.uw.edu [cid:image002.jpg@01D285DE.185281E0] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2589 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From jsuttondc at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 08:57:07 2017 From: jsuttondc at gmail.com (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] video accessibility on Facebook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14264502-bb2f-a876-bb34-1d89fbaea284@gmail.com> For those interested who aren't subscribed to the WebAIM email list, there's a similar thread on there about Facebook and accessible content (such as fixing incorrect alt text), but also including video, that's just begun. The thread hasn't shown up in the archives, yet, but I imagine it will do so shortly. Start here: http://webaim.org/discussion/mail_archive?sort_by=1 Best, Jennifer From SolowoniukR at macewan.ca Mon Feb 13 10:34:58 2017 From: SolowoniukR at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] Success getting LaTex source files from textbook publishers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58A199E2020000EC0004EE82@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> Hi Brian, If one is able to obtain the LaTex file from a publisher, would the math content in this file then be readable by a screen reader, or would the file need to be converted to some other format? I'm not at all familiar with LaTex, so apologies if this is a stupid question! :) Thanks, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. >>> Brian Richwine 2017-02-10 2:31 PM >>> Hello, THE SHORT: I'm wondering if any schools have been successful at negotiating publisher contracts to allow quick access to LaTex or other publishing source files for textbooks as needed to facilitate more efficient alternate media conversion. I'm not talking about the PDFs that ATN always wants to send. I mean the raw source files for the textbook that contain semantically usable information that facilitates alternate media conversion. Does anyone know of any higher ed groups working on such a project? We were just successful at getting the LaTex source files for a advanced mathematics textbook from a major higher ed textbook publisher. However it took weeks and contact from many university officials to get them to release the files. We just received the files and we are now 5 or so weeks into the semester. Even still, it will literally save us thousands of dollars in editing costs and will greatly increase the speed at which we can produce the rest of the book in braille. If the publisher would have responded earlier, we could have saved even more money and provided a better result to the student by focusing our staff energies on tactile diagrams and other efforts. BACKGROUND: The LaTex source files for mathematics texts are great, because they can be very easily (read quickly and accurately) converted into a format the Duxbury Braille Translation software will process. This prevents the laborious retyping of each equation into MathType. (we tried the most recent Infty Reader with very frustrating and poor results; it crashed on most every source page). We originally requested a publisher copy of the textbook via ATN. ATN's system did not offer LaTex as a request format choice (it only offered PDF). However, it was fairly obvious to those familiar with LaTex that the textbook had been typeset in LaTex/Tex. So, we tried a special instructions ATN request for LaTex. ATN's response was a flat out the publisher does not have a LaTex version of the textbook. Through various channels we have directly with the publisher, we got them to admit that they did indeed have the LaTex source, only we'd have to wait until they could get their permissions department to release those. It took us several weeks of contacting them repeatedly before their permissions department gave permission to release the files. Thanks, Brian Richwine Manager, UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers, Indiana University https://atac.iu.edu (812) 856-2757 [Direct Line] (812) 856-4112 [Office Number] brichwin@iu.edu From cmhennin at oaklandcc.edu Mon Feb 13 12:22:18 2017 From: cmhennin at oaklandcc.edu (Henning, Christine M) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] Reply - Success getting LaTex source files from textbook Message-ID: Brian: I have been working with the math instructors at my college and been trying to get the publishers to give LaTex files for their textbook and materials. I have not been successful with publishers, however, I did find an alternate source that worked well in a particular situation. An instructor wanted to use an open source book that is already converted into LaTex that was brought to her attention from a student. The student came from Grand Valley State University (GVSU) and asked to use the open source book that is already in LaTex format. I am not sure what exact course you are looking for, but I would contact GVSU and look at their open textbook collection for reference. I have included a link for you below along with another great resource I have personally used with the instructors at Oakland Community College. Open Textbook at GVSU: http://scholarworks.gvsu.edu/books/10/ American Institute of Mathematics: http://aimath.org/textbooks/ Let me know if you find any other great resources because I am always interested in learning more! ...................................................................................................................................................... Christine Henning instructional technologist * (248) 232-4838 Academic Technologies * Academic Affairs * Oakland Community College -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 3:00 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 133, Issue 11 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://cp.mcafee.com/d/1jWVIi6xEidEIf3HEK8zDztPqdS1MV55BxASztwsehhpud79J6X3NEVojjd7dPqdS3hOYDtAQsFCXaA_x2k0lniF-MgJrLgrdRQGvI4bmXQ6PqrJQkZuvW_8FFLcnsWZOWr8V_AXIcfnpWyaqRQRrFFYG7DR8OJMddECQnPtPtPo0cjlS2bfdYoSxek2cWMXQ6Y4RtxxYGjB1SKrcDY2VYGjdXcDY2VYGjbAaJMJZ0k9GX15DC-crgDa16totW3pJ5MQsFECZCj-1s-l9Cy0eAh-AM3d40pGuq84mmg3d40rizvCy154SOUrGT39 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: video accessibility on Facebook (Jennifer Sutton) 2. ATHEN Scholarship Committee (Robert Beach) 3. Re: video accessibility on Facebook (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)) 4. Re: video accessibility on Facebook (Jennifer Sutton) 5. Re: Success getting LaTex source files from textbook publishers? (Russell Solowoniuk) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 17:22:19 -0800 From: Jennifer Sutton To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] video accessibility on Facebook Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" I don't know whether you've gotten answers to your questions, but perhaps this will be a helpful start: http://cp.mcafee.com/d/1jWVIg6x0i6jqb3MWWby8VUTsSztwsehhpopdETo73AkmnzhOrhKMYqem4QPhPsSztwQsL9Tpd7apKOFfUgB05lQGvI4bmXQ6PttaDX12RKZ1ISCXt5fnD-LOaqrP5TeLsKCOevVeX33RSuEyCJtdmWqvaxVZicHs3jqpJ5YTsTsSjDdqymokVTrugHkHO-4_fmN-VEV7cee8LLefccTdXcDY2VYGjbAaJMJZ0k9GX15DC-crgDa16totW3pJ5MQsFECZCj-1s-l9Cy0eAh-AM3d40pGuq84mmg3d40rizvCy154SOUrMo5gVy0Invc Maybe you can follow up with Facebook directly, to see what they recommend. I happened to see: @fbaccess tweet this link in the last few days because they've recently launched automatic captioning, if I understand correctly. At least there seems to be a way to edit the auto-captioning, so the captions won't be "craptions" (not my term, but a good one, I think). Best, Jennifer On 2/10/2017 11:32 AM, KRISTA L. GREEAR wrote: > > Two questions that cropped up from my captioning training with Housing > and Food Services yesterday ? > > What?s the best process for ensuring the videos they post on Facebook > are accessible? They create videos on the fly. And create videos > hosted on their YouTube channel (I taught them how to create/edit > captions using YouTube). > > And they regularly livestream on Facebook. Sometimes there?s audio but > sometimes the stream is of a scene, like freshmen moving in on move-in > day. Has anyone else dealt with this situation? How have you handled > it? I told them about remote CART services. > > Thanks in advanced, > > *KRISTA GREEAR* > > Assistant Director > > Disability Resources for Students > > 011 Mary Gates Hall > > Box 352808 > Seattle, WA 98195-2808 > > Direct: 206.221.4136 / Main: 206.543.8924 > > greeark@uw.edu / http://cp.mcafee.com/d/avndz8Q76Qm7xRQn4hPNKVJ6X0UsyyOMOrhKMe78EIL6zASztxUQsI9FCzCVJ6X1EVujKOqekPtBivMxa0aHFk_o8mJTEdCWWlfS25HtW3pJdSWauLfZvAkQTCbKtuVtdAs_OtS67HIZh5dqWqJQQ-l3PWApmU6CSjqbVKVKVI06xaCA97OCmVINTEdCZCj-1s-l9BO5mUm-wa4RtwyPPv6dEjB0zeIeZ1ISyUqekQjuP9_0KvaAPh07i8_io1Cy0cRfd42bb81Cy0dFhLPh0yyrpsdZFYId8Xn > __ > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://cp.mcafee.com/d/k-Kr4xEp43qb3MWWby8VUTsSztwsehhpopdETo73AkmnzhOrhKMYqem4QPhPsSztwQsL9Tpd7apKOFfUgB05lQGvI4bmXQ6PttaDX12RKZ1ISCXt5fnD-LOaqrP5TeLsKCOevVeX33RSuEyCJtdmWqvaxVZicHs3jrVJ5YTsTsS034RtwyPPv6dEjB0zeIeZ1L1dnoovaAVgtHCP9_0KvaAPuP9_0KvaAOV2Hsbvg52qKMhpVLz6Q9OwhDm7uwSrhsd7aq9LpA_wnfBipEw3F4vFc0Ph06qDCy15BA0Ph06QETVEwhhdIK6NBZk8SI8 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 16:43:20 +0000 From: "Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)" To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] video accessibility on Facebook Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Krista, We are captioning our Facebook videos on the main University of Arizona Facebook page. As of now, the videos posted are all planned in advance so we get captions created in advance. Maybe "posting on the fly" is not an option? Perhaps they post it a couple of hours after the recording so there's time to get a captioned version posted... This is a discussion we're having now as well. If the same videos are posted on YouTube and Facebook, the SRT file created from the YouTube video could be downloaded and uploaded to Facebook. Something to know - posting links to YouTube videos does not reach the audience numbers the way posting the video directly via Facebook does because Facebook "downgrades" the YouTube links in favor of their hosted videos. I'm still working to figure out a plan for the livestream and learning who on campus is taking advantage of this communication tool. If the live events are planned in advance, then a CART writer could certainly be provided. In the comments, simply post the URL to view captions... If the live stream does not have sound, then have that information posted in the comments somehow and regularly so it shows up as a recent comment? If you come up with processes around these items, please share as I'm sure we're not the only ones working on solutions! Have a great day, Dawn ~~ Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant Disability Resource Center 520-626-9409 hunziker@email.arizona.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of KRISTA L. GREEAR Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 12:33 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] video accessibility on Facebook Two questions that cropped up from my captioning training with Housing and Food Services yesterday - What's the best process for ensuring the videos they post on Facebook are accessible? They create videos on the fly. And create videos hosted on their YouTube channel (I taught them how to create/edit captions using YouTube). And they regularly livestream on Facebook. Sometimes there's audio but sometimes the stream is of a scene, like freshmen moving in on move-in day. Has anyone else dealt with this situation? How have you handled it? I told them about remote CART services. 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Start here: http://cp.mcafee.com/d/avndygO96Qm7xRQn4hPNKVJ6X0UsyyOMOrhKMe78EIL6zASztxUQsI9FCzCVJ6X1EVujKOqekPtBivMxa0aHFk_o8mJTEdCWWlfS25HtW3pJdSWauLfZvAkQTCbKtuVtdAs_OtS67HIZh5dqWqJQQ-l3PWApmU6CQmjqbVKVKVI060bpaY01N2lbdQFaIc4NnoS9Oc-iFmcNkwmehdXcDY2VYGjbAaJMJZ0k9GX15DC-crgDa16totW3pJ5MQsFECZCj-1s-l9Cy0eAh-AM3d40pGuq84mmg3d40rizvCy154SOUrXTbf Best, Jennifer ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 11:34:58 -0700 From: "Russell Solowoniuk" To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" Subject: Re: [Athen] Success getting LaTex source files from textbook publishers? Message-ID: <58A199E2020000EC0004EE82@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Brian, If one is able to obtain the LaTex file from a publisher, would the math content in this file then be readable by a screen reader, or would the file need to be converted to some other format? I'm not at all familiar with LaTex, so apologies if this is a stupid question! :) Thanks, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. >>> Brian Richwine 2017-02-10 2:31 PM >>> Hello, THE SHORT: I'm wondering if any schools have been successful at negotiating publisher contracts to allow quick access to LaTex or other publishing source files for textbooks as needed to facilitate more efficient alternate media conversion. I'm not talking about the PDFs that ATN always wants to send. I mean the raw source files for the textbook that contain semantically usable information that facilitates alternate media conversion. Does anyone know of any higher ed groups working on such a project? We were just successful at getting the LaTex source files for a advanced mathematics textbook from a major higher ed textbook publisher. However it took weeks and contact from many university officials to get them to release the files. We just received the files and we are now 5 or so weeks into the semester. Even still, it will literally save us thousands of dollars in editing costs and will greatly increase the speed at which we can produce the rest of the book in braille. If the publisher would have responded earlier, we could have saved even more money and provided a better result to the student by focusing our staff energies on tactile diagrams and other efforts. BACKGROUND: The LaTex source files for mathematics texts are great, because they can be very easily (read quickly and accurately) converted into a format the Duxbury Braille Translation software will process. This prevents the laborious retyping of each equation into MathType. (we tried the most recent Infty Reader with very frustrating and poor results; it crashed on most every source page). We originally requested a publisher copy of the textbook via ATN. ATN's system did not offer LaTex as a request format choice (it only offered PDF). However, it was fairly obvious to those familiar with LaTex that the textbook had been typeset in LaTex/Tex. So, we tried a special instructions ATN request for LaTex. ATN's response was a flat out the publisher does not have a LaTex version of the textbook. Through various channels we have directly with the publisher, we got them to admit that they did indeed have the LaTex source, only we'd have to wait until they could get their permissions department to release those. It took us several weeks of contacting them repeatedly before their permissions department gave permission to release the files. Thanks, Brian Richwine Manager, UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers, Indiana University http://cp.mcafee.com/d/5fHCN0SyMYeKyUyeudTdETo73Akmm6jqdS1MV55BUQsCQrIf6zBxdcQsTdETod7bOtSjhOCrIGj-49g1ltaDX12RKZ1ITniF-MgJrLgrdFKThjRV_HYyCCYNtPHTbFIzD-jKMMZtDG8FHnjlKCDOEuvkzaT0QSyMrhvdTdTdAVPmEBCrfrt9LLgrdXcDY2VYGjbAaJMJZ0k9GX15DC-crgDa16totW3pJ5MQsFECZCj-1s-l9Cy0eAh-AM3d40pGuq84mmg3d40rizvCy154SOUrdQd6 (812) 856-2757 [Direct Line] (812) 856-4112 [Office Number] brichwin@iu.edu ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://cp.mcafee.com/d/k-Kr6jqb3MWWby8VUTsSztwsehhpopdETo73AkmnzhOrhKMYqem4QPhPsSztwQsL9Tpd7apKOFfUgB05lQGvI4bmXQ6PttaDX12RKZ1ISCXt5fnD-LOaqrP5TeLsKCOevVeX33RSuEyCJtdmWqvaxVZicHs3jqbVJ5YTsTsS034RtwyPPv6dEjB0zeIeZ1L1dnoovaAVgtHCP9_0KvaAPuP9_0KvaAOV2Hsbvg52qKMhpVLz6Q9OwhDm7uwSrhsd7aq9LpA_wnfBipEw3F4vFc0Ph06qDCy15BA0Ph06QETVEwhhdIK6V6t- ------------------------------ End of athen-list Digest, Vol 133, Issue 11 ******************************************* From bossley.5 at osu.edu Mon Feb 13 12:32:25 2017 From: bossley.5 at osu.edu (Bossley, Peter A.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] MathML Accessibility Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006B5C8325EEDA44A1A7D3955F5431CD8B9F51AB@CIO-KRC-D1MBX05.osuad.osu.edu> We?ve only had success with this when the book?s authors have been OSU faculty members. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Brian Richwine Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 6:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] MathML Accessibility Guidelines Thanks Steve, I had not seen the Hawkes learning resource before. It does seen that there needs to be guidance on how to design MathML for accessibility... with a a section on design considerations to help publishers understand what can and cannot be accessibly interpreted from an auditory or braille representation of MathML. Especially if there were some examples of what not to do with an accompanying explanation. I think in this case, the publisher took a textbook that was originally typeset in Tex and converted parts of it into MathML from that Tex and then published that as what they intended to be an accessible HTML eBook. Unfortunately it apparently was not done with an awareness of if the resulting MathML was or was not appropriate for accessibility purposes. I'm trying to figure out what the best constructive feedback is I can provide to them. Thanks again, Brian On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 6:05 PM, > wrote: Here are a few resources to consider: http://www.hawkeslearning.com/Accessibility/guides/mathml_content.html http://www.daisy.org/z3986/structure/SG-DAISY3/part2-math.html There is need for much more documentation of best practices in this area, but little funding to provide the people-hours to write it up. Gives me an idea of a grant proposal I need to write. But, alas, the reviewers probably won't understand the importance and it will never get funded. Perhaps something the Benetech Standards Workgroup is planning to address. --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] on behalf of Brian Richwine [blrichwine@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 4:03 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] MathML Accessibility Guidelines Hello, Do anyone know of a guidance document for creating proper MathML for accessibility? Kind of a WCAG for MathML? A major publisher provided us what they are calling an accessible HTML textbook. However, the MathML employed in the textbook is designed for display formatting instead of as appropriate for a non-visual user. By display MathML I mean that the MathML makes heavy use of mtables (including multiple levels of nested mtables) to layout equations and annotation of equations within a multi-columnar/multi-row arrangement. The tables do not linearize logically. When it's not a total mess, the non-visual user would still have to develop an spacial 2D guess as how the math equation is arranged and then analyze the multiple nested tables into a 2D space around that equation before making any sense of the annotation. If possible, I'm looking for some official or at least respected source of this information so that the publisher will take the feedback as credible. I'd also be interested if anyone has had successful conversations with a publisher regarding appropriate use of MathML in textbooks for accessibility. Thanks, Brian Richwine Manager, UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers, Indiana University https://atac.iu.edu (812) 856-2757 [Direct Line] (812) 856-4112 [Office Number] brichwin@iu.edu _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Mon Feb 13 12:55:01 2017 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF Message-ID: I noticed that when I convert a Word document stylized with a title and a heading structure that begins with H2 I receive a nested heading error from the Adobe accessibility checker. So I could change the title to a heading 1 or change the heading 2s to heading 1s to avoid the error. What's considered the best practice on this? Thanks, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Mon Feb 13 13:12:57 2017 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008301d2863d$f35fe200$da1fa600$@karlencommunications.com> PDF/UA ? 1 says that the first heading in a document is

. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: February 13, 2017 3:55 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF I noticed that when I convert a Word document stylized with a title and a heading structure that begins with H2 I receive a nested heading error from the Adobe accessibility checker. So I could change the title to a heading 1 or change the heading 2s to heading 1s to avoid the error. What's considered the best practice on this? Thanks, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sarah.bourne at mass.gov Mon Feb 13 13:22:47 2017 From: sarah.bourne at mass.gov (Bourne, Sarah (MASSIT)) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF In-Reply-To: <008301d2863d$f35fe200$da1fa600$@karlencommunications.com> References: <008301d2863d$f35fe200$da1fa600$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <50126ff69d414f479eaecfe958d9192f@ES-CHL-EMR-06.es.govt.state.ma.us> Personally (and what I recommend to others) is to use H1 for the title of a document, and only use the TITLE style if there?s a separate title page. I then repeat the title as an H1 after the title page. I haven?t seen a spec for how to use Word?s TITLE, so I just made something up that seemed to make sense. sb Sarah E. 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URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Mon Feb 13 13:55:17 2017 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF In-Reply-To: <50126ff69d414f479eaecfe958d9192f@ES-CHL-EMR-06.es.govt.state.ma.us> References: <008301d2863d$f35fe200$da1fa600$@karlencommunications.com> <50126ff69d414f479eaecfe958d9192f@ES-CHL-EMR-06.es.govt.state.ma.us> Message-ID: Thanks Sarah - that makes sense. -Howard On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Bourne, Sarah (MASSIT) < sarah.bourne@mass.gov> wrote: > Personally (and what I recommend to others) is to use H1 for the title of > a document, and only use the TITLE style if there?s a separate title page. > I then repeat the title as an H1 after the title page. I haven?t seen a > spec for how to use Word?s TITLE, so I just made something up that seemed > to make sense. > > > > sb > > Sarah E. Bourne > Director of IT Accessibility, MassIT > Commonwealth of Massachusetts > 1 Ashburton Pl. rm 811 Boston MA 02108 > 617-626-4502 <(617)%20626-4502> > sarah.bourne@mass.gov > http://www.mass.gov/MassIT > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Mon Feb 13 13:55:03 2017 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF In-Reply-To: <50126ff69d414f479eaecfe958d9192f@ES-CHL-EMR-06.es.govt.state.ma.us> References: <008301d2863d$f35fe200$da1fa600$@karlencommunications.com> <50126ff69d414f479eaecfe958d9192f@ES-CHL-EMR-06.es.govt.state.ma.us> Message-ID: If you use this technique and are building a table of contents, remember to create an H1A style based on H1 and then remove the H1A or heading you are using for the document title from the TOC using the Options button in the TOC dialog...or it will show up in the TOC. There is a tutorial on this on the Microsoft Office for Windows http://www.karlencommunications.com Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad > On Feb 13, 2017, at 4:22 PM, Bourne, Sarah (MASSIT) wrote: > > Personally (and what I recommend to others) is to use H1 for the title of a document, and only use the TITLE style if there?s a separate title page. I then repeat the title as an H1 after the title page. I haven?t seen a spec for how to use Word?s TITLE, so I just made something up that seemed to make sense. > > sb > Sarah E. Bourne > Director of IT Accessibility, MassIT > Commonwealth of Massachusetts > 1 Ashburton Pl. rm 811 Boston MA 02108 > 617-626-4502 > sarah.bourne@mass.gov > http://www.mass.gov/MassIT > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Mon Feb 13 13:55:49 2017 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF In-Reply-To: <008301d2863d$f35fe200$da1fa600$@karlencommunications.com> References: <008301d2863d$f35fe200$da1fa600$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: That would mean not using the title tag in Word, correct? -Howard On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > PDF/UA ? 1 says that the first heading in a document is

. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Howard Kramer > *Sent:* February 13, 2017 3:55 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF > > > > I noticed that when I convert a Word document stylized with a title and a > heading structure that begins with H2 I receive a nested heading error from > the Adobe accessibility checker. So I could change the title to a heading 1 > or change the heading 2s to heading 1s to avoid the error. What's > considered the best practice on this? > > > > Thanks, > > Howard > > > > -- > > Howard Kramer > > Conference Coordinator > > Accessing Higher Ground > > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> > > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> > > > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, > 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! > * And the *Technology > Access Series *. > Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your > earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpolizzotto at htctu.net Mon Feb 13 14:03:42 2017 From: jpolizzotto at htctu.net (Joseph Polizzotto) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] Success getting LaTex source files from textbook publishers? In-Reply-To: <58A199E2020000EC0004EE82@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> References: <58A199E2020000EC0004EE82@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> Message-ID: <017f01d28645$0a94e040$1fbea0c0$@htctu.net> Not sure which TEX editors provide the best reading experience for screen reader users...I would recommend converting the TEX files into either DOCX or HTML files. This can be done simply with Pandoc (CLI tool): 1) TEX to DOCX pandoc -s /path/to/sample.tex -o /path/to/output.docx Note: NVDA users can read math directly in MS Word + MathType + MathPlayer. First convert OMML equations to MathType equations. 2) TEX to HTML + MathJax pandoc /path/to/sample.tex -s --mathjax -o /path/to/output.html Note: MathJax accessibility extensions will be loaded as well for collapsing lengthy expressions, for highlighting expressions etc. HTH, Joseph >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] >On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk >Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 10:35 AM >To: Access Technology Higher Education Network list@u.washington.edu> >Subject: Re: [Athen] Success getting LaTex source files from textbook >publishers? > >Hi Brian, > >If one is able to obtain the LaTex file from a publisher, would the math >content in this file then be readable by a screen reader, or would the file need >to be converted to some other format? I'm not at all familiar with LaTex, so >apologies if this is a stupid question! :) > >Thanks, > >Russell > >Russell Solowoniuk >AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan >University >7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. >Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 >E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca >T: 780-497-5826 >F: 780-497-4018 >macewan.ca >This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is >addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged >information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended >recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action >relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, >should be deleted or destroyed. >Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > >>>> Brian Richwine 2017-02-10 2:31 PM >>> >Hello, > >THE SHORT: >I'm wondering if any schools have been successful at negotiating publisher >contracts to allow quick access to LaTex or other publishing source files for >textbooks as needed to facilitate more efficient alternate media conversion. >I'm not talking about the PDFs that ATN always wants to send. I mean the raw >source files for the textbook that contain semantically usable information that >facilitates alternate media conversion. > >Does anyone know of any higher ed groups working on such a project? > >We were just successful at getting the LaTex source files for a advanced >mathematics textbook from a major higher ed textbook publisher. However it >took weeks and contact from many university officials to get them to release >the files. We just received the files and we are now 5 or so weeks into the >semester. Even still, it will literally save us thousands of dollars in editing costs >and will greatly increase the speed at which we can produce the rest of the >book in braille. > >If the publisher would have responded earlier, we could have saved even >more money and provided a better result to the student by focusing our staff >energies on tactile diagrams and other efforts. > >BACKGROUND: > >The LaTex source files for mathematics texts are great, because they can be >very easily (read quickly and accurately) converted into a format the Duxbury >Braille Translation software will process. This prevents the laborious retyping >of each equation into MathType. (we tried the most recent Infty Reader with >very frustrating and poor results; it crashed on most every source page). > >We originally requested a publisher copy of the textbook via ATN. ATN's >system did not offer LaTex as a request format choice (it only offered PDF). > >However, it was fairly obvious to those familiar with LaTex that the textbook >had been typeset in LaTex/Tex. So, we tried a special instructions ATN request >for LaTex. ATN's response was a flat out the publisher does not have a LaTex >version of the textbook. > >Through various channels we have directly with the publisher, we got them to >admit that they did indeed have the LaTex source, only we'd have to wait until >they could get their permissions department to release those. It took us >several weeks of contacting them repeatedly before their permissions >department gave permission to release the files. > >Thanks, > Brian Richwine > > >Manager, UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers, Indiana >University > >https://atac.iu.edu > >(812) 856-2757 [Direct Line] > >(812) 856-4112 [Office Number] > >brichwin@iu.edu > >_______________________________________________ >athen-list mailing list >athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From info at karlencommunications.com Mon Feb 13 14:18:14 2017 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF In-Reply-To: References: <008301d2863d$f35fe200$da1fa600$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: I use the title style in Word then just use F2 on the Tag in Acrobat to make it H1 Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad > On Feb 13, 2017, at 4:55 PM, Howard Kramer wrote: > > That would mean not using the title tag in Word, correct? > > -Howard > >> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Karlen Communications wrote: >> PDF/UA ? 1 says that the first heading in a document is

. >> >> >> >> Cheers, Karen >> >> >> >> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer >> Sent: February 13, 2017 3:55 PM >> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> Subject: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF >> >> >> >> I noticed that when I convert a Word document stylized with a title and a heading structure that begins with H2 I receive a nested heading error from the Adobe accessibility checker. So I could change the title to a heading 1 or change the heading 2s to heading 1s to avoid the error. What's considered the best practice on this? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Howard >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Howard Kramer >> >> Conference Coordinator >> >> Accessing Higher Ground >> >> 303-492-8672 >> >> cell: 720-351-8668 >> >> >> >> Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. >> >> Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. >> >> Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 > cell: 720-351-8668 > > Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SolowoniukR at macewan.ca Mon Feb 13 14:52:34 2017 From: SolowoniukR at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] Success getting LaTex source files from textbook publishers? In-Reply-To: <017f01d28645$0a94e040$1fbea0c0$@htctu.net> References: <58A199E2020000EC0004EE82@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> <017f01d28645$0a94e040$1fbea0c0$@htctu.net> Message-ID: <58A1D642020000EC0004EEBF@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> Thanks Joseph! Russell >>> "Joseph Polizzotto" 2017-02-13 3:03 PM >>> Not sure which TEX editors provide the best reading experience for screen reader users...I would recommend converting the TEX files into either DOCX or HTML files. This can be done simply with Pandoc (CLI tool): 1) TEX to DOCX pandoc -s /path/to/sample.tex -o /path/to/output.docx Note: NVDA users can read math directly in MS Word + MathType + MathPlayer. First convert OMML equations to MathType equations. 2) TEX to HTML + MathJax pandoc /path/to/sample.tex -s --mathjax -o /path/to/output.html Note: MathJax accessibility extensions will be loaded as well for collapsing lengthy expressions, for highlighting expressions etc. HTH, Joseph >-----Original Message----- >From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] >On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk >Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 10:35 AM >To: Access Technology Higher Education Network list@u.washington.edu> >Subject: Re: [Athen] Success getting LaTex source files from textbook >publishers? > >Hi Brian, > >If one is able to obtain the LaTex file from a publisher, would the math >content in this file then be readable by a screen reader, or would the file need >to be converted to some other format? I'm not at all familiar with LaTex, so >apologies if this is a stupid question! :) > >Thanks, > >Russell > >Russell Solowoniuk >AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan >University >7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. >Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 >E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca >T: 780-497-5826 >F: 780-497-4018 >macewan.ca >This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is >addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged >information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended >recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action >relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, >should be deleted or destroyed. >Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > >>>> Brian Richwine 2017-02-10 2:31 PM >>> >Hello, > >THE SHORT: >I'm wondering if any schools have been successful at negotiating publisher >contracts to allow quick access to LaTex or other publishing source files for >textbooks as needed to facilitate more efficient alternate media conversion. >I'm not talking about the PDFs that ATN always wants to send. I mean the raw >source files for the textbook that contain semantically usable information that >facilitates alternate media conversion. > >Does anyone know of any higher ed groups working on such a project? > >We were just successful at getting the LaTex source files for a advanced >mathematics textbook from a major higher ed textbook publisher. However it >took weeks and contact from many university officials to get them to release >the files. We just received the files and we are now 5 or so weeks into the >semester. Even still, it will literally save us thousands of dollars in editing costs >and will greatly increase the speed at which we can produce the rest of the >book in braille. > >If the publisher would have responded earlier, we could have saved even >more money and provided a better result to the student by focusing our staff >energies on tactile diagrams and other efforts. > >BACKGROUND: > >The LaTex source files for mathematics texts are great, because they can be >very easily (read quickly and accurately) converted into a format the Duxbury >Braille Translation software will process. This prevents the laborious retyping >of each equation into MathType. (we tried the most recent Infty Reader with >very frustrating and poor results; it crashed on most every source page). > >We originally requested a publisher copy of the textbook via ATN. ATN's >system did not offer LaTex as a request format choice (it only offered PDF). > >However, it was fairly obvious to those familiar with LaTex that the textbook >had been typeset in LaTex/Tex. So, we tried a special instructions ATN request >for LaTex. ATN's response was a flat out the publisher does not have a LaTex >version of the textbook. > >Through various channels we have directly with the publisher, we got them to >admit that they did indeed have the LaTex source, only we'd have to wait until >they could get their permissions department to release those. It took us >several weeks of contacting them repeatedly before their permissions >department gave permission to release the files. > >Thanks, > Brian Richwine > > >Manager, UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers, Indiana >University > >https://atac.iu.edu > >(812) 856-2757 [Direct Line] > >(812) 856-4112 [Office Number] > >brichwin@iu.edu > >_______________________________________________ >athen-list mailing list >athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From awumstead at gmail.com Mon Feb 13 14:57:18 2017 From: awumstead at gmail.com (Alex Umstead) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF In-Reply-To: <008301d2863d$f35fe200$da1fa600$@karlencommunications.com> References: <008301d2863d$f35fe200$da1fa600$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <0E852B53-099D-4C69-A037-CA656192FB76@gmail.com> Hi Howard, You should be able to customize the title style to map to a heading level 1 in Word. If memory serves, you can do this by changing the outline level to level 1 in the preferences for the style. I believe these map out to heading levels during PDF export, but I haven't done this in a while. Alex Sent from my iPhone On Feb 13, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Karlen Communications wrote: PDF/UA ? 1 says that the first heading in a document is

. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: February 13, 2017 3:55 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF I noticed that when I convert a Word document stylized with a title and a heading structure that begins with H2 I receive a nested heading error from the Adobe accessibility checker. So I could change the title to a heading 1 or change the heading 2s to heading 1s to avoid the error. What's considered the best practice on this? Thanks, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Tue Feb 14 05:22:28 2017 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (Chagnon | PubCom) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF In-Reply-To: References: <008301d2863d$f35fe200$da1fa600$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <000e01d286c5$6432b610$2c982230$@pubcom.com> Yes, use the Heading 1 style rather than the Title style in MS Word. The majority of styles in Word?s default Styles panel shouldn?t be used unless you?re willing to accept

tags in the exported PDF. There are only a handful of Word styles that are recognized by the Acrobat conversion utility (PDF Maker) and covert to the correct accessibility tags in the PDF. If you manually format text or use an unrecognized style, PDF Maker doesn?t know how to tag the content and gives it a

tag instead. You can quickly find and replace one style with another by using Word?s Find Replace utility. Instead of typing text in the fields, use the lower buttons in the dialog box to select the Title style and replace it with the Heading 1 style. If you would like to keep the same appearance, then make sure you adjust the Heading 1 style to match the appearance of Title before you do the find/change. --Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon | www.PubCom.com Technologists, Consultants, Trainers, Designers, and Developers for publishing & communication | Acrobat PDF | Print | EPUBS | Sec. 508 Accessibility | ? ? ? From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 4:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF That would mean not using the title tag in Word, correct? -Howard On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Karlen Communications > wrote: PDF/UA ? 1 says that the first heading in a document is

. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu ] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: February 13, 2017 3:55 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF I noticed that when I convert a Word document stylized with a title and a heading structure that begins with H2 I receive a nested heading error from the Adobe accessibility checker. So I could change the title to a heading 1 or change the heading 2s to heading 1s to avoid the error. What's considered the best practice on this? Thanks, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Tue Feb 14 05:33:29 2017 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (Chagnon | PubCom) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF In-Reply-To: <50126ff69d414f479eaecfe958d9192f@ES-CHL-EMR-06.es.govt.state.ma.us> References: <008301d2863d$f35fe200$da1fa600$@karlencommunications.com> <50126ff69d414f479eaecfe958d9192f@ES-CHL-EMR-06.es.govt.state.ma.us> Message-ID: <001301d286c6$eda955b0$c8fc0110$@pubcom.com> That?ll work! Unfortunately, there are many instances in WCAG and PDF/UA that lack adequate tags for the type of material we create. Those who create the standards are mostly programmers (mostly, not all) who don?t usually think about how to handle title pages, titles with subtitles, kicker headings, deck heads, department headings, and other common parts of our documents. We end up cramming square WCAG/PDF-UA tags into round document holes. I counsel my clients to do what makes sense to you for that particular document. As long as there is an H1 tag that designates the title, it?s somewhere close to the start of the reading order, and it is followed by a logical heading hierarchy for other titles, the user should be able to figure things out. And don?t forget to KISS: keep it simple, sweetie. Don?t obsess too much about this and don?t make it overly complicated for you or your audience. Sometimes a

tag does the job just fine. --Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon | www.PubCom.com Technologists, Consultants, Trainers, Designers, and Developers for publishing & communication | Acrobat PDF | Print | EPUBS | Sec. 508 Accessibility | ? ? ? From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bourne, Sarah (MASSIT) Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 4:23 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF Personally (and what I recommend to others) is to use H1 for the title of a document, and only use the TITLE style if there?s a separate title page. I then repeat the title as an H1 after the title page. I haven?t seen a spec for how to use Word?s TITLE, so I just made something up that seemed to make sense. sb Sarah E. Bourne Director of IT Accessibility, MassIT Commonwealth of Massachusetts 1 Ashburton Pl. rm 811 Boston MA 02108 617-626-4502 sarah.bourne@mass.gov http://www.mass.gov/MassIT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanessa.preast at dmu.edu Tue Feb 14 07:27:01 2017 From: vanessa.preast at dmu.edu (Preast, Vanessa) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF In-Reply-To: <000e01d286c5$6432b610$2c982230$@pubcom.com> References: <008301d2863d$f35fe200$da1fa600$@karlencommunications.com> <000e01d286c5$6432b610$2c982230$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: Is there some place that lists which Word styles convert to PDF tags? Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Chagnon | PubCom Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 7:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF Yes, use the Heading 1 style rather than the Title style in MS Word. The majority of styles in Word?s default Styles panel shouldn?t be used unless you?re willing to accept

tags in the exported PDF. There are only a handful of Word styles that are recognized by the Acrobat conversion utility (PDF Maker) and covert to the correct accessibility tags in the PDF. If you manually format text or use an unrecognized style, PDF Maker doesn?t know how to tag the content and gives it a

tag instead. You can quickly find and replace one style with another by using Word?s Find Replace utility. Instead of typing text in the fields, use the lower buttons in the dialog box to select the Title style and replace it with the Heading 1 style. If you would like to keep the same appearance, then make sure you adjust the Heading 1 style to match the appearance of Title before you do the find/change. --Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon | www.PubCom.com Technologists, Consultants, Trainers, Designers, and Developers for publishing & communication | Acrobat PDF | Print | EPUBS | Sec. 508 Accessibility | ? ? ? From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 4:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF That would mean not using the title tag in Word, correct? -Howard On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Karlen Communications > wrote: PDF/UA ? 1 says that the first heading in a document is

. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: February 13, 2017 3:55 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF I noticed that when I convert a Word document stylized with a title and a heading structure that begins with H2 I receive a nested heading error from the Adobe accessibility checker. So I could change the title to a heading 1 or change the heading 2s to heading 1s to avoid the error. What's considered the best practice on this? Thanks, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Tue Feb 14 08:53:51 2017 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF In-Reply-To: <001301d286c6$eda955b0$c8fc0110$@pubcom.com> References: <008301d2863d$f35fe200$da1fa600$@karlencommunications.com> <50126ff69d414f479eaecfe958d9192f@ES-CHL-EMR-06.es.govt.state.ma.us> <001301d286c6$eda955b0$c8fc0110$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: Thanks Bevi. -Howard On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 6:33 AM, Chagnon | PubCom wrote: > That?ll work! > > Unfortunately, there are many instances in WCAG and PDF/UA that lack > adequate tags for the type of material we create. > > > > Those who create the standards are mostly programmers (mostly, not all) > who don?t usually think about how to handle title pages, titles with > subtitles, kicker headings, deck heads, department headings, and other > common parts of our documents. We end up cramming square WCAG/PDF-UA tags > into round document holes. > > > > I counsel my clients to do what makes sense to you for that particular > document. As long as there is an H1 tag that designates the title, it?s > somewhere close to the start of the reading order, and it is followed by a > logical heading hierarchy for other titles, the user should be able to > figure things out. > > > > And don?t forget to KISS: keep it simple, sweetie. Don?t obsess too much > about this and don?t make it overly complicated for you or your audience. > Sometimes a

tag does the job just fine. > > > > --Bevi Chagnon > > > > ? ? ? > > *Bevi Chagnon *| www.*PubCom*.com > > *Technologists, Consultants, Trainers, Designers, and Developers* > > *for publishing & communication* > > | Acrobat PDF | Print | EPUBS | Sec. 508 Accessibility | > > ? ? ? > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Bourne, Sarah (MASSIT) > *Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2017 4:23 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] proper heading structure in PDF > > > > Personally (and what I recommend to others) is to use H1 for the title of > a document, and only use the TITLE style if there?s a separate title page. > I then repeat the title as an H1 after the title page. I haven?t seen a > spec for how to use Word?s TITLE, so I just made something up that seemed > to make sense. > > > > sb > > Sarah E. Bourne > Director of IT Accessibility, MassIT > Commonwealth of Massachusetts > 1 Ashburton Pl. rm 811 Boston MA 02108 > 617-626-4502 <(617)%20626-4502> > sarah.bourne@mass.gov > http://www.mass.gov/MassIT > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. 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Question about open access resources-- If your institution has a policy that all 3rd party commercial vendors must meet a certain level of web accessibility, how do you (or don't you) apply this to non-commercial, freely available open access (OA) resources? For example, in our library, we include many OA resources in our list of databases (e.g. Project Gutenberg) and we do recommend them when appropriate. Some of these freely available resources likely don't meet a certain level of accessibility (and don't have accessibility statements or VPATs). Most of these resources are not required for course work. TIA Heather Westerlund IT Manager, Library Services Walden University Library 612.312.1270 | heather.westerlund@waldenu.edu 100 Washington Ave S, Ste 900 | Minneapolis, MN 55401 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <58A199E2020000EC0004EE82@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> References: <58A199E2020000EC0004EE82@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> Message-ID: Some of our students have been able to read LaTex directly... One could even write a complete LaText document and compile it into a PDF so he could turn his work into a sighted instructor. But, that student was truly gifted (he as a piano performance major). If you have the MathType editor, then converting LaTex equations into MathType objects in word is very easy. There are menu commands, or one can simply press Alt+\ when your cursor is on an equation to toggle it between MathType and LaTex (or all LaTex equations in a selection). We either supply MathType in a word document (NVDA will read this as long as MathType and MathPlayer are installed), or push to DAISY, or run the word document through Duxbury to get braille. One has to be careful that the MathType or LaTex equations are designed with this purpose in mind (think about how they will be read by AT). There are many constructs in both LaTex and MathType that are really improper (formatting for display purposes instead of semantic) just like one can do with HTML. So, in general, If a student reads LaTex, we provide LaTex in a word file so we can still place headings for document structure. If a student needs to hear it, we convert LaTex into MathType, and then provide MathType in Word or DAISY (we are looking into EPUB). If a student wants braille, we convert LaTex into MathType, run it through Duxbury Braille Translation software, and then provide braille. -Brian On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote: > Hi Brian, > > If one is able to obtain the LaTex file from a publisher, would the math > content in this file then be readable by a screen reader, or would the file > need to be converted to some other format? I'm not at all familiar with > LaTex, so apologies if this is a stupid question! :) > > Thanks, > > Russell > > Russell Solowoniuk > AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities > MacEwan University > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > T: 780-497-5826 > F: 780-497-4018 > macewan.ca > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent > reply, should be deleted or destroyed. > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > >>> Brian Richwine 2017-02-10 2:31 PM >>> > Hello, > > THE SHORT: > I'm wondering if any schools have been successful at negotiating publisher > contracts to allow quick access to LaTex or other publishing source files > for textbooks as needed to facilitate more efficient alternate media > conversion. I'm not talking about the PDFs that ATN always wants to send. I > mean the raw source files for the textbook that contain semantically usable > information that facilitates alternate media conversion. > > Does anyone know of any higher ed groups working on such a project? > > We were just successful at getting the LaTex source files for a advanced > mathematics textbook from a major higher ed textbook publisher. However it > took weeks and contact from many university officials to get them to > release the files. We just received the files and we are now 5 or so weeks > into the semester. Even still, it will literally save us thousands of > dollars in editing costs and will greatly increase the speed at which we > can produce the rest of the book in braille. > > If the publisher would have responded earlier, we could have saved even > more money and provided a better result to the student by focusing our > staff energies on tactile diagrams and other efforts. > > BACKGROUND: > > The LaTex source files for mathematics texts are great, because they can be > very easily (read quickly and accurately) converted into a format the > Duxbury Braille Translation software will process. This prevents the > laborious retyping of each equation into MathType. (we tried the most > recent Infty Reader with very frustrating and poor results; it crashed on > most every source page). > > We originally requested a publisher copy of the textbook via ATN. ATN's > system did not offer LaTex as a request format choice (it only offered > PDF). > > However, it was fairly obvious to those familiar with LaTex that the > textbook had been typeset in LaTex/Tex. So, we tried a special instructions > ATN request for LaTex. ATN's response was a flat out the publisher does not > have a LaTex version of the textbook. > > Through various channels we have directly with the publisher, we got them > to admit that they did indeed have the LaTex source, only we'd have to wait > until they could get their permissions department to release those. It took > us several weeks of contacting them repeatedly before their permissions > department gave permission to release the files. > > Thanks, > Brian Richwine > > > Manager, UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers, Indiana > University > > https://atac.iu.edu > > (812) 856-2757 [Direct Line] > > (812) 856-4112 [Office Number] > > brichwin@iu.edu > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SolowoniukR at macewan.ca Thu Feb 16 07:51:31 2017 From: SolowoniukR at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Success getting LaTex source files from textbook publishers? In-Reply-To: References: <58A199E2020000EC0004EE82@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> Message-ID: <58A56813020000EC0004F006@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> Thanks for the great information Brian. Best, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. >>> Brian Richwine 2017-02-16 8:37 AM >>> Some of our students have been able to read LaTex directly... One could even write a complete LaText document and compile it into a PDF so he could turn his work into a sighted instructor. But, that student was truly gifted (he as a piano performance major). If you have the MathType editor, then converting LaTex equations into MathType objects in word is very easy. There are menu commands, or one can simply press Alt+\ when your cursor is on an equation to toggle it between MathType and LaTex (or all LaTex equations in a selection). We either supply MathType in a word document (NVDA will read this as long as MathType and MathPlayer are installed), or push to DAISY, or run the word document through Duxbury to get braille. One has to be careful that the MathType or LaTex equations are designed with this purpose in mind (think about how they will be read by AT). There are many constructs in both LaTex and MathType that are really improper (formatting for display purposes instead of semantic) just like one can do with HTML. So, in general, If a student reads LaTex, we provide LaTex in a word file so we can still place headings for document structure. If a student needs to hear it, we convert LaTex into MathType, and then provide MathType in Word or DAISY (we are looking into EPUB). If a student wants braille, we convert LaTex into MathType, run it through Duxbury Braille Translation software, and then provide braille. -Brian On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote: > Hi Brian, > > If one is able to obtain the LaTex file from a publisher, would the math > content in this file then be readable by a screen reader, or would the file > need to be converted to some other format? I'm not at all familiar with > LaTex, so apologies if this is a stupid question! :) > > Thanks, > > Russell > > Russell Solowoniuk > AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities > MacEwan University > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > T: 780-497-5826 > F: 780-497-4018 > macewan.ca > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent > reply, should be deleted or destroyed. > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > >>> Brian Richwine 2017-02-10 2:31 PM >>> > Hello, > > THE SHORT: > I'm wondering if any schools have been successful at negotiating publisher > contracts to allow quick access to LaTex or other publishing source files > for textbooks as needed to facilitate more efficient alternate media > conversion. I'm not talking about the PDFs that ATN always wants to send. I > mean the raw source files for the textbook that contain semantically usable > information that facilitates alternate media conversion. > > Does anyone know of any higher ed groups working on such a project? > > We were just successful at getting the LaTex source files for a advanced > mathematics textbook from a major higher ed textbook publisher. However it > took weeks and contact from many university officials to get them to > release the files. We just received the files and we are now 5 or so weeks > into the semester. Even still, it will literally save us thousands of > dollars in editing costs and will greatly increase the speed at which we > can produce the rest of the book in braille. > > If the publisher would have responded earlier, we could have saved even > more money and provided a better result to the student by focusing our > staff energies on tactile diagrams and other efforts. > > BACKGROUND: > > The LaTex source files for mathematics texts are great, because they can be > very easily (read quickly and accurately) converted into a format the > Duxbury Braille Translation software will process. This prevents the > laborious retyping of each equation into MathType. (we tried the most > recent Infty Reader with very frustrating and poor results; it crashed on > most every source page). > > We originally requested a publisher copy of the textbook via ATN. ATN's > system did not offer LaTex as a request format choice (it only offered > PDF). > > However, it was fairly obvious to those familiar with LaTex that the > textbook had been typeset in LaTex/Tex. So, we tried a special instructions > ATN request for LaTex. ATN's response was a flat out the publisher does not > have a LaTex version of the textbook. > > Through various channels we have directly with the publisher, we got them > to admit that they did indeed have the LaTex source, only we'd have to wait > until they could get their permissions department to release those. It took > us several weeks of contacting them repeatedly before their permissions > department gave permission to release the files. > > Thanks, > Brian Richwine > > > Manager, UITS Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers, Indiana > University > > https://atac.iu.edu > > (812) 856-2757 [Direct Line] > > (812) 856-4112 [Office Number] > > brichwin@iu.edu > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > From athenpresident at gmail.com Thu Feb 16 09:06:01 2017 From: athenpresident at gmail.com (ATHEN President) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Announcing Teresa Haven Scholarship Award Message-ID: Hello all, I would like to announce the Teresa Haven Scholarship for Students with Disabilities is now open for nominations and applications. Information about the scholarship and eligibility is available at the following site: https://athenpro.org/content/teresa-haven-scholarship-students-disabilities Teresa Haven, Ph.D., was a long-time ATHEN contributor and member of the Executive Council. She was a passionate advocate for student equity and diversity in higher education. In remembrance of her dedication and service to students, the ATHEN membership voted unanimously to create a scholarship in her memory. To read more about Teresa, please visit: http://www.norvelowensmortuary.com/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=3915612&fh_id=13224 Thank you to the Executive Council and to those who have volunteered to participate on the Scholarship Review Committee. Please feel free to circulate the scholarship notice! Thank you, Sean Sean Keegan ATHEN President -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:36 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] InftyReader conversion workflow Hi all, Does anyone have a conversion workflow they would like to share when using InftyReader to convert high level math/science documents? We are in the process of purchasing Infty, but would appreciate ideas on workflow. Many thanks in advance! Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas ARKU 209 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 479.575.7445 fax 479.575.3646 tdd +++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greeark at uw.edu Thu Feb 16 15:48:39 2017 From: greeark at uw.edu (KRISTA L. GREEAR) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] InftyReader conversion workflow In-Reply-To: <1e49147c9c314d708e6d536ec5a0547b@exch-2p-mbx-w4.ads.tamu.edu> References: <1e49147c9c314d708e6d536ec5a0547b@exch-2p-mbx-w4.ads.tamu.edu> Message-ID: I?ve attached a word doc. This is essentially our training manual for converting STEM materials using INFTY. Krista KRISTA GREEAR Assistant Director Disability Resources for Students 011 Mary Gates Hall Box 352808 Seattle, WA 98195-2808 Direct: 206.221.4136 / Main: 206.543.8924 greeark@uw.edu/ http://disability.uw.edu [cid:image001.gif@01D2886B.1BB34F60] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Justin Romack Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 9:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] InftyReader conversion workflow Please post to list. --- Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Services | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:36 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] InftyReader conversion workflow Hi all, Does anyone have a conversion workflow they would like to share when using InftyReader to convert high level math/science documents? We are in the process of purchasing Infty, but would appreciate ideas on workflow. Many thanks in advance! Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas ARKU 209 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 479.575.7445 fax 479.575.3646 tdd +++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is essentially our training manual for > converting STEM materials using INFTY. > > > > Krista > > > > > > *KRISTA GREEAR* > > Assistant Director > > Disability Resources for Students > > > > 011 Mary Gates Hall > > Box 352808 > Seattle, WA 98195-2808 > > Direct: 206.221.4136 <(206)%20221-4136> / Main: 206.543.8924 > <(206)%20543-8924> > > greeark@uw.edu/ http://disability.uw.edu > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Justin Romack > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 9:43 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] InftyReader conversion workflow > > > > Please post to list. > > > > --- > > *Justin Romack *| Assistive Technology Coordinator > > Disability Services | Texas A&M University > > 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 > > ph: 979.845.1637 <(979)%20845-1637> | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | > disability.tamu.edu > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > *DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS *| One Division. 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So I have to retag the entire document correctly, or manually add Form tags? That makes no sense. 2) How come the "AutoTag form Fields Tool" does not actually Tag the Fields? It just sets up the tags to be added when you AutoTag document. If the AutoTag Form Fields Tool actually tagged the Fields, the user would not have to retag a properly tagged document from Word. 3) When using Adobe PDF maker from Word, the List in PDF does not have tag. How big an issue is this? 4) The Prepare Form tool option really is two things: The first time you use it with a document it acts as "Create fillable form from file", and after that the Prepare Form tool is really Edit Form. That is very confusing. Thanks. Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pratikp1 at gmail.com Fri Feb 17 08:04:20 2017 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals In-Reply-To: <41101cc14a7647efa1cafff20d9c484b@EXCPM5701.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> References: <41101cc14a7647efa1cafff20d9c484b@EXCPM5701.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> Message-ID: <005401d28937$8041acc0$80c50640$@gmail.com> Unfortunately this is not possible. Generally, screen reader users rely on the list indication to determine the presence of roman numerals. Roman numeral indication is context dependent. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:00 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network ; webaim-forum@list.webaim.org Subject: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals Hi all. As far as I can tell, using the letters "I" and "VII" for Roman numeral in a Word list/outline are not read correctly in screen readers. It is possible to insert the actual Roman Numeral symbols into a Word document, however seem to be impossible to format a list/outline using Roman Numeral symbols. Is there a way around this? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Fri Feb 17 08:15:09 2017 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals In-Reply-To: <41101cc14a7647efa1cafff20d9c484b@EXCPM5701.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> References: <41101cc14a7647efa1cafff20d9c484b@EXCPM5701.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E0CDB@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> If I am understanding the question, yes you can create a custome list in Word to use Roman numerals. No, screen readers will not read them correctly, but you can have a numbered list that uses Roman numerals. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network ; webaim-forum@list.webaim.org Subject: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals Hi all. As far as I can tell, using the letters "I" and "VII" for Roman numeral in a Word list/outline are not read correctly in screen readers. It is possible to insert the actual Roman Numeral symbols into a Word document, however seem to be impossible to format a list/outline using Roman Numeral symbols. Is there a way around this? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu Fri Feb 17 08:22:30 2017 From: Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu (Joseph Sherman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E0CDB@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <41101cc14a7647efa1cafff20d9c484b@EXCPM5701.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E0CDB@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <877f7e7ba22440d28e4c00e990600c8e@EXCPM5701.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> The letters "III" and "VII" etc. are not really Roman numerals. VII is technically different from "Roman Numeral 7". I believe you must use the symbols to insert actual Roman Numerals into a Word file, and you can't insert the symbols into a list/outline. Joseph From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:15 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals If I am understanding the question, yes you can create a custome list in Word to use Roman numerals. No, screen readers will not read them correctly, but you can have a numbered list that uses Roman numerals. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >; webaim-forum@list.webaim.org Subject: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals Hi all. As far as I can tell, using the letters "I" and "VII" for Roman numeral in a Word list/outline are not read correctly in screen readers. It is possible to insert the actual Roman Numeral symbols into a Word document, however seem to be impossible to format a list/outline using Roman Numeral symbols. Is there a way around this? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Fri Feb 17 08:24:50 2017 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E0CDB@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <41101cc14a7647efa1cafff20d9c484b@EXCPM5701.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E0CDB@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: I'm going to chime in here. Other responders are correct, you can use roman numerals in the auto numbering in word, but a screen reader won't read them properly. Think about the context and what you are trying to provide. Is it REALLY that important that the numbers be in Roman numeral format? Or can you just use numbers and letters instead like a regular outline/list? I usually just change them to numbers. I know, it is changing the content somewhat, but it isn't changing what information the content is trying to provide. My goal is to give the student a workable, even better than minimal, representation of the reading material. So, what should I be doing to make it that way? I use regular numbers instead. Of course, YMMV, but that's how we do it here. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 9:15 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals If I am understanding the question, yes you can create a custome list in Word to use Roman numerals. No, screen readers will not read them correctly, but you can have a numbered list that uses Roman numerals. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >; webaim-forum@list.webaim.org Subject: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals Hi all. As far as I can tell, using the letters "I" and "VII" for Roman numeral in a Word list/outline are not read correctly in screen readers. It is possible to insert the actual Roman Numeral symbols into a Word document, however seem to be impossible to format a list/outline using Roman Numeral symbols. Is there a way around this? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danc at uw.edu Fri Feb 17 09:55:02 2017 From: danc at uw.edu (Dan Comden) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals In-Reply-To: References: <41101cc14a7647efa1cafff20d9c484b@EXCPM5701.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E0CDB@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: Yes, what Susan said: the Roman-ness of the numerals is not important in a list. The structure they indicate is, and Arabic numbers or regular letters are easy to substitute. On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Susan Kelmer wrote: > I?m going to chime in here. Other responders are correct, you can use > roman numerals in the auto numbering in word, but a screen reader won?t > read them properly. > > > > Think about the context and what you are trying to provide. Is it REALLY > that important that the numbers be in Roman numeral format? Or can you > just use numbers and letters instead like a regular outline/list? I > usually just change them to numbers. I know, it is changing the content > somewhat, but it isn?t changing what information the content is trying to > provide. My goal is to give the student a workable, even better than > minimal, representation of the reading material. So, what should I be > doing to make it that way? I use regular numbers instead. > > > > Of course, YMMV, but that?s how we do it here. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836 <(303)%20735-4836>* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Robert Beach > *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 9:15 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals > > > > If I am understanding the question, yes you can create a custome list in > Word to use Roman numerals. No, screen readers will not read them > correctly, but you can have a numbered list that uses Roman numerals. > > > > > > Robert Lee Beach > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Kansas City Kansas Community College > > 7250 State Avenue > > Kansas City, KS 66112 > > Phone: 913-288-7671 <(913)%20288-7671> > > Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu > ] *On Behalf Of *Joseph > Sherman > *Sent:* Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu>; webaim-forum@list.webaim.org > *Subject:* [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals > > > > Hi all. As far as I can tell, using the letters ?I? and ?VII? for Roman > numeral in a Word list/outline are not read correctly in screen readers. It > is possible to insert the actual Roman Numeral symbols into a Word > document, however seem to be impossible to format a list/outline using > Roman Numeral symbols. Is there a way around this? > > > > Joseph > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu Fri Feb 17 10:28:17 2017 From: Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu (Joseph Sherman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals Message-ID: <02e8e3cf-778a-4eba-892e-2eee6b57126b@email.android.com> Easy to do if you have control over the document. Folks in admin and legal don't like being told what to post online. Joseph On Feb 17, 2017 12:58 PM, Dan Comden wrote: Yes, what Susan said: the Roman-ness of the numerals is not important in a list. The structure they indicate is, and Arabic numbers or regular letters are easy to substitute. On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: I?m going to chime in here. Other responders are correct, you can use roman numerals in the auto numbering in word, but a screen reader won?t read them properly. Think about the context and what you are trying to provide. Is it REALLY that important that the numbers be in Roman numeral format? Or can you just use numbers and letters instead like a regular outline/list? I usually just change them to numbers. I know, it is changing the content somewhat, but it isn?t changing what information the content is trying to provide. My goal is to give the student a workable, even better than minimal, representation of the reading material. So, what should I be doing to make it that way? I use regular numbers instead. Of course, YMMV, but that?s how we do it here. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 9:15 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals If I am understanding the question, yes you can create a custome list in Word to use Roman numerals. No, screen readers will not read them correctly, but you can have a numbered list that uses Roman numerals. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >; webaim-forum@list.webaim.org Subject: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals Hi all. As far as I can tell, using the letters ?I? and ?VII? for Roman numeral in a Word list/outline are not read correctly in screen readers. It is possible to insert the actual Roman Numeral symbols into a Word document, however seem to be impossible to format a list/outline using Roman Numeral symbols. Is there a way around this? Joseph _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SolowoniukR at macewan.ca Fri Feb 17 10:46:06 2017 From: SolowoniukR at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals In-Reply-To: <02e8e3cf-778a-4eba-892e-2eee6b57126b@email.android.com> References: <02e8e3cf-778a-4eba-892e-2eee6b57126b@email.android.com> Message-ID: <58A6E27E020000EC0004F0BF@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> Hi, I don't understand the distinction between I., II., III, IV. and "Roman numerals". If I open a blank Word 2016 document, go to the "Home" tab, and within the "Paragraph", section, choose "Numbering, and from there choose "I., II., III., and press enter, and then type in my list, Jaws reads the numerals fine. As I said though, if there's a difference between I., II., III. and Roman Numerals, I can't comment. Best regards, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. >>> Joseph Sherman 2017-02-17 11:28 AM >>> Easy to do if you have control over the document. Folks in admin and legal don't like being told what to post online. Joseph On Feb 17, 2017 12:58 PM, Dan Comden wrote: Yes, what Susan said: the Roman-ness of the numerals is not important in a list. The structure they indicate is, and Arabic numbers or regular letters are easy to substitute. On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: I*m going to chime in here. Other responders are correct, you can use roman numerals in the auto numbering in word, but a screen reader won*t read them properly. Think about the context and what you are trying to provide. Is it REALLY that important that the numbers be in Roman numeral format? Or can you just use numbers and letters instead like a regular outline/list? I usually just change them to numbers. I know, it is changing the content somewhat, but it isn*t changing what information the content is trying to provide. My goal is to give the student a workable, even better than minimal, representation of the reading material. So, what should I be doing to make it that way? I use regular numbers instead. Of course, YMMV, but that*s how we do it here. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 9:15 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals If I am understanding the question, yes you can create a custome list in Word to use Roman numerals. No, screen readers will not read them correctly, but you can have a numbered list that uses Roman numerals. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >; webaim-forum@list.webaim.org Subject: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals Hi all. As far as I can tell, using the letters *I* and *VII* for Roman numeral in a Word list/outline are not read correctly in screen readers. It is possible to insert the actual Roman Numeral symbols into a Word document, however seem to be impossible to format a list/outline using Roman Numeral symbols. Is there a way around this? Joseph _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology From pratikp1 at gmail.com Fri Feb 17 11:18:13 2017 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals In-Reply-To: <58A6E27E020000EC0004F0BF@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> References: <02e8e3cf-778a-4eba-892e-2eee6b57126b@email.android.com> <58A6E27E020000EC0004F0BF@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> Message-ID: <019401d28952$9642a7c0$c2c7f740$@gmail.com> Russel, There isn't a difference between those. The trouble often results from JAWS, other screen readers, or other synthesizers treating Roman numerals differently. Not all of them recognize them. For instance, I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, etc. aren't always recognized--especially after III. Regards, Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:46 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals Hi, I don't understand the distinction between I., II., III, IV. and "Roman numerals". If I open a blank Word 2016 document, go to the "Home" tab, and within the "Paragraph", section, choose "Numbering, and from there choose "I., II., III., and press enter, and then type in my list, Jaws reads the numerals fine. As I said though, if there's a difference between I., II., III. and Roman Numerals, I can't comment. Best regards, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. >>> Joseph Sherman 2017-02-17 11:28 AM >>> Easy to do if you have control over the document. Folks in admin and legal don't like being told what to post online. Joseph On Feb 17, 2017 12:58 PM, Dan Comden wrote: Yes, what Susan said: the Roman-ness of the numerals is not important in a list. The structure they indicate is, and Arabic numbers or regular letters are easy to substitute. On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: I*m going to chime in here. Other responders are correct, you can use roman numerals in the auto numbering in word, but a screen reader won*t read them properly. Think about the context and what you are trying to provide. Is it REALLY that important that the numbers be in Roman numeral format? Or can you just use numbers and letters instead like a regular outline/list? I usually just change them to numbers. I know, it is changing the content somewhat, but it isn*t changing what information the content is trying to provide. My goal is to give the student a workable, even better than minimal, representation of the reading material. So, what should I be doing to make it that way? I use regular numbers instead. Of course, YMMV, but that*s how we do it here. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 9:15 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals If I am understanding the question, yes you can create a custome list in Word to use Roman numerals. No, screen readers will not read them correctly, but you can have a numbered list that uses Roman numerals. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >; webaim-forum@list.webaim.org Subject: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals Hi all. As far as I can tell, using the letters *I* and *VII* for Roman numeral in a Word list/outline are not read correctly in screen readers. It is possible to insert the actual Roman Numeral symbols into a Word document, however seem to be impossible to format a list/outline using Roman Numeral symbols. Is there a way around this? Joseph _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From SolowoniukR at macewan.ca Fri Feb 17 11:29:48 2017 From: SolowoniukR at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals In-Reply-To: <019401d28952$9642a7c0$c2c7f740$@gmail.com> References: <02e8e3cf-778a-4eba-892e-2eee6b57126b@email.android.com> <58A6E27E020000EC0004F0BF@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> <019401d28952$9642a7c0$c2c7f740$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58A6ECBC020000EC0004F0CD@gatedom2vs.macewan.ca> Hi Pratik, Yes, I didn't quite understand the issue. I thought folks were saying that the roman numerals weren't being read at all. I am experiencing the same thing with Jaws, where it will read "V I I" instead of "7". Thanks, Russell >>> "Pratik Patel" 2017-02-17 12:18 PM >>> Russel, There isn't a difference between those. The trouble often results from JAWS, other screen readers, or other synthesizers treating Roman numerals differently. Not all of them recognize them. For instance, I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, etc. aren't always recognized--especially after III. Regards, Pratik -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 1:46 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals Hi, I don't understand the distinction between I., II., III, IV. and "Roman numerals". If I open a blank Word 2016 document, go to the "Home" tab, and within the "Paragraph", section, choose "Numbering, and from there choose "I., II., III., and press enter, and then type in my list, Jaws reads the numerals fine. As I said though, if there's a difference between I., II., III. and Roman Numerals, I can't comment. Best regards, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. >>> Joseph Sherman 2017-02-17 11:28 AM >>> Easy to do if you have control over the document. Folks in admin and legal don't like being told what to post online. Joseph On Feb 17, 2017 12:58 PM, Dan Comden wrote: Yes, what Susan said: the Roman-ness of the numerals is not important in a list. The structure they indicate is, and Arabic numbers or regular letters are easy to substitute. On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: I*m going to chime in here. Other responders are correct, you can use roman numerals in the auto numbering in word, but a screen reader won*t read them properly. Think about the context and what you are trying to provide. Is it REALLY that important that the numbers be in Roman numeral format? Or can you just use numbers and letters instead like a regular outline/list? I usually just change them to numbers. I know, it is changing the content somewhat, but it isn*t changing what information the content is trying to provide. My goal is to give the student a workable, even better than minimal, representation of the reading material. So, what should I be doing to make it that way? I use regular numbers instead. Of course, YMMV, but that*s how we do it here. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 9:15 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals If I am understanding the question, yes you can create a custome list in Word to use Roman numerals. No, screen readers will not read them correctly, but you can have a numbered list that uses Roman numerals. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:00 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >; webaim-forum@list.webaim.org Subject: [Athen] Lists in Word with Roman Numerals Hi all. As far as I can tell, using the letters *I* and *VII* for Roman numeral in a Word list/outline are not read correctly in screen readers. It is possible to insert the actual Roman Numeral symbols into a Word document, however seem to be impossible to format a list/outline using Roman Numeral symbols. Is there a way around this? Joseph _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From deb.castiglione at uky.edu Fri Feb 17 12:24:15 2017 From: deb.castiglione at uky.edu (Castiglione, Deborah A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Referencing Software Message-ID: Hello All: I am wondering if anyone can suggest accessible referencing software. We have a student who needs to do a literature review and uses Voice Over. Thanks. Deb Deb Castiglione, EdD, ATP Universal Design & Instructional Technology Specialist Center for the Enhancement of Learning & Teaching (CELT) University of Kentucky 518M King Library Lexington, KY 40506 859-257-9685 deb.castiglione@uky.edu http://www.uky.edu/celt http://www.uky.edu/udl ?What is ?essential for some? is almost always ?good for all.?? (Meyer, Rose, & Gordon, 2014) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tristenbreitenfeldt at gmail.com Sat Feb 18 15:23:10 2017 From: tristenbreitenfeldt at gmail.com (Tristen Breitenfeldt) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible Referencing Software Message-ID: <000301d28a3d$f8b31610$ea194230$@gmail.com> Hello, I used Zotero for managing citations for my Master's project last year. I am blind, using the JAWS For Windows screen reader. I found the accessibility of Zotero to be okay, if I utilized a combination of both the desktop application and the web interface. In short, adding and referencing citations worked best in the desktop application, while editing citations was only accessible through the web interface. The student should be aware that it is usually necessary to perform extensive editing for each citation added to Zotero and it is sometimes necessary to edit the citations that are added into the document from Zotero. Please note, I tried using both Zotero and Mendeley. I found that while Mendeley has more features, it is not accessible at all. So, using Zotero is better than typing every citation by hand. Tristen Breitenfeldt tristenbreitenfeldt@gmail.com www.tristenb.com -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 12:00 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 133, Issue 16 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. 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Give it a try. -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 3:00 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 133, Issue 16 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. 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Anyone who participates will receive a $50 VISA cash card as a token of our appreciation, and will be helping to improve the state of online video accessibility. To sign-up for a time slot, please visit the following website: http://tinyurl.com/csun2017-video-testing If you know people who are attending CSUN who might be interested, please let them know about this opportunity. And feel free to distribute this announcement far and wide! Thanks, Terrill --- Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology University of Washington tft@uw.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norm.coombs at gmail.com Mon Feb 20 08:56:11 2017 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Prof Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] new upgrade to chromeVox? Message-ID: <41737f71-2feb-cf81-8ea7-ceee47112fcd@gmail.com> I just read about a major upgrade to the chromevox screen reader and played a video demo. It sounds extremely interesting. If anyone has experience with it, I'd like your feedback. I'd even like someone to do a side-by-side comparison of JAWS, NVDA and ChromeVox. Norm From vanessa.preast at dmu.edu Mon Feb 20 14:31:26 2017 From: vanessa.preast at dmu.edu (Preast, Vanessa) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Headings in D2L Message-ID: Hello, We use the D2L/Brightspace learning management system. I'd like to be able to advise course builders on what headings to use. I'm thinking that it might be best to advise that they use Heading 2 as the highest level option so that there are not more than one H1 per page when it renders. Thoughts? This is what is happening in the system when I create heading 1-5 in the edit box in two different locations in the system. In the example below, I entered each of the headings into the edit box for a module description. It looks like D2L uses

for the page title (e.g. "PowerPoint" in the example below).

(Missing heading)

Navigation

Site Menu

Are You Still There?

Oh, There You Are!

Bookmarks

0 bookmarked topics

Course Schedule

0 upcoming events

Table of Contents

PowerPoint

Heading 1

Heading 2

Heading 3

Heading 4

Heading 5

List of Topics and Sub-Modules for PowerPoint When I make a page and display the content in student view, I get a document structure in which the contents of the edit box seem to be separate (a frame?) from the rest.

Are You Still There?

Oh, There You Are!

Side Panel

Breadcrumb:

Title

Web Page https://dmu.desire2learn.com/content/enforced/14119-ADA_Accessibility/Title.html?d2lSessionVal=CPpe4HYaHdfdCsTXdPlcOefxc&ou=14119&d2l_body_type=3 5 headings

Heading 1

Heading 2

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Heading 5 From gian at accessibilityoz.com Mon Feb 20 15:37:39 2017 From: gian at accessibilityoz.com (Gian Wild) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Video player user testing @ CSUN Message-ID: Terrill - great idea! Are you able to share the results? We have a whole bunch of video player testing that we will be sharing at CSUN, and it would be great to put this information all in the same place. Cheers, Gian Message: 1 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 14:12:11 -0800 From: Terrill Thompson To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Video player user testing @ CSUN Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi All, At CSUN 2017 the University of Washington would like to meet with individuals with disabilities regarding accessibility of online video players. Throughout the conference, we'll be conducting one-on-one interviews and small focus groups. We are particularly interested in recruiting people who use captions, sign language, or audio description when watching videos. Anyone who participates will receive a $50 VISA cash card as a token of our appreciation, and will be helping to improve the state of online video accessibility. To sign-up for a time slot, please visit the following website: http://tinyurl.com/csun2017-video-testing If you know people who are attending CSUN who might be interested, please let them know about this opportunity. And feel free to distribute this announcement far and wide! Thanks, Terrill --- Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology University of Washington tft@uw.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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NORMAL AVENUE WOODY HALL B-104 CARBONDALE, IL 62901 Services for other schools: Remote interpreting http://disabilityservices.siu.edu/services-for-other-universities/vri.html Converting text to accessible formats http://disabilityservices.siu.edu/services-for-other-universities/ats.html [cid:image001.jpg@01CF5E03.CDF3E620] This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify Lisa Caringer at lcare@siu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:03 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Website unresponsive Hi all, Is anyone experiencing issues with the website publisherlookup.org? I have been trying to access the site for the past couple of days and keep getting an error message that the site can't be reached. I have also tried accessing the site with Firefox and Chrome. Any thoughts? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Adjunct Professor College of Health, Education & Professional Studies [cid:image001.png@01D244AB.C1DE6680] The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 108 University Center 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc A member of the Division of Student Development -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5223 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Adjunct Professor College of Health, Education & Professional Studies The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 108 University Center 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc A member of the Division of Student Development From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lisa C Caringer Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:26 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Website unresponsive Hi Bryon, I'm experiencing the same thing-guess we'll have to use our sleuthing skills we developed in the old days. ;) Lisa Caringer Coordinator, Assistive Technology & Learning Disability Services P: 618-453-5738 TTY: 618-453-2293 F: 618-453-5700 www.disabilityservices.siuc.edu DISABILITY SUPPORT SERVICES MAIL CODE 4705 SOUTHERN ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY 900 S. NORMAL AVENUE WOODY HALL B-104 CARBONDALE, IL 62901 Services for other schools: Remote interpreting http://disabilityservices.siu.edu/services-for-other-universities/vri.html Converting text to accessible formats http://disabilityservices.siu.edu/services-for-other-universities/ats.html [cid:image001.jpg@01CF5E03.CDF3E620] This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify Lisa Caringer at lcare@siu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:03 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Website unresponsive Hi all, Is anyone experiencing issues with the website publisherlookup.org? I have been trying to access the site for the past couple of days and keep getting an error message that the site can't be reached. I have also tried accessing the site with Firefox and Chrome. Any thoughts? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Adjunct Professor College of Health, Education & Professional Studies [cid:image001.png@01D244AB.C1DE6680] The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 108 University Center 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc A member of the Division of Student Development -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5223 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Job opportunity in Ohio. ******** Hi everyone, Once again, I?m sharing the job posting for the Web Accessibility Coordinator at Ohio University. Our initial effort resulted in a shallow applicant pool, so we are making one more advertising push before closing the posting. OHIO University is seeking a Web Accessibility Coordinator to lead the next phase or our web accessibility initiative. If you?re interested and feel your qualifications are a match, please do apply. More information about the position can be found at this location: https://www.ohiouniversityjobs.com/postings/22119. Ohio University is located in beautiful Athens, Ohio and offers an excellent benefits package, including health benefits, paid time off, and education benefits for employees and qualified dependents. You?re welcome to pass this information along to any colleagues or groups that you think would be interested. Thank you for your time. 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Marositz) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> Message-ID: <9135BCF8DD26794492F2E2ABBFF11E095CB2FC13@ExchangeC> Hi Joseph I just happened to be checking on this, and, I think you are having a problem with Jaws. Jaws 18 is reading text in the description box in Word 2016 for me. HTH Alex Stephen Alexander Marositz J.D. Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College Phone: 626.585.7242 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:02 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads "Blank". It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Tue Feb 21 11:35:23 2017 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> Message-ID: <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says "question" when it comes across an image with Alt Text.so not in your imagination.it isn't consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads "Blank". It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tristenbreitenfeldt at gmail.com Tue Feb 21 12:54:09 2017 From: tristenbreitenfeldt at gmail.com (Tristen Breitenfeldt) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Headings in D2L Message-ID: <000c01d28c84$a7109820$f531c860$@gmail.com> Hello Vanessa, I am a blind, full-time screen reader user and during my final year in graduate school at Portland State University, I was a student employee in the PSU Office of Academic Innovation. My primary duty was conducting accessibility testing on courses in D2L and one of the projects I worked on was heading structure. In short, you want to make sure that headings on each page are providing an outline and a road map to the content contained on the page. So, you want any headings you create to be a level smaller than the default headings inserted by the LMS. For example: If heading 1

is always the course title, then the next heading level should be heading 2

. Here is an example:

Course Title

Navigation

Module Title

Module Overview

[paragraphs]

Readings

[list of readings]

Videos

Chapter 1 Videos
[list of videos]
Chapter 2 Videos
[list of videos]

Assignments

[list of assignments with instructions]

Discussion Topics

Chapter 1 Discussions
[list of discussions with instructions]
Chapter 2 Discussions
[list of discussions with instructions]

Quiz

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[list of resources] Please Note that sub headings are nested inside the preceding topic as many levels deep as they need to be, before returning to the parent-level heading. You should try to apply the same heading structure for every module within a course, recognizing that some modules may contain more or less sub topics (it is your department's judgement call on how to deal with these circumstances). However, keep in mind that consistency is key. Feel free to email me if you need clarification. Tristen Breitenfeldt tristenbreitenfeldt@gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 12:00 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 133, Issue 19 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Headings in D2L (Preast, Vanessa) 2. Re: Video player user testing @ CSUN (Gian Wild) 3. Website unresponsive (Kluesner, Bryon) 4. Re: Website unresponsive (Lisa C Caringer) 5. Re: Website unresponsive (Kluesner, Bryon) 6. Re: Website unresponsive (Susan Kelmer) 7. FW: OHIO University seeks Web Accessibility Coordinator (ATHEN President) 8. Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text (Joseph Sherman) 9. Re: Website unresponsive (Susan Kelmer) 10. Re: Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text (S A. Marositz) 11. Re: Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text (Karlen Communications) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:31:26 +0000 From: "Preast, Vanessa" To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Headings in D2L Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, We use the D2L/Brightspace learning management system. I'd like to be able to advise course builders on what headings to use. I'm thinking that it might be best to advise that they use Heading 2 as the highest level option so that there are not more than one H1 per page when it renders. Thoughts? This is what is happening in the system when I create heading 1-5 in the edit box in two different locations in the system. In the example below, I entered each of the headings into the edit box for a module description. It looks like D2L uses

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Heading 5 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 23:37:39 +0000 From: Gian Wild To: "athen-list@u.washington.edu" Subject: Re: [Athen] Video player user testing @ CSUN Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Terrill - great idea! Are you able to share the results? We have a whole bunch of video player testing that we will be sharing at CSUN, and it would be great to put this information all in the same place. Cheers, Gian Message: 1 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 14:12:11 -0800 From: Terrill Thompson To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Video player user testing @ CSUN Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi All, At CSUN 2017 the University of Washington would like to meet with individuals with disabilities regarding accessibility of online video players. Throughout the conference, we'll be conducting one-on-one interviews and small focus groups. We are particularly interested in recruiting people who use captions, sign language, or audio description when watching videos. Anyone who participates will receive a $50 VISA cash card as a token of our appreciation, and will be helping to improve the state of online video accessibility. To sign-up for a time slot, please visit the following website: http://tinyurl.com/csun2017-video-testing If you know people who are attending CSUN who might be interested, please let them know about this opportunity. And feel free to distribute this announcement far and wide! Thanks, Terrill --- Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology University of Washington tft@uw.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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NORMAL AVENUE WOODY HALL B-104 CARBONDALE, IL 62901 Services for other schools: Remote interpreting http://disabilityservices.siu.edu/services-for-other-universities/vri.html Converting text to accessible formats http://disabilityservices.siu.edu/services-for-other-universities/ats.html [cid:image001.jpg@01CF5E03.CDF3E620] This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify Lisa Caringer at lcare@siu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:03 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Website unresponsive Hi all, Is anyone experiencing issues with the website publisherlookup.org? I have been trying to access the site for the past couple of days and keep getting an error message that the site can't be reached. I have also tried accessing the site with Firefox and Chrome. Any thoughts? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Adjunct Professor College of Health, Education & Professional Studies [cid:image001.png@01D244AB.C1DE6680] The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 108 University Center 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc A member of the Division of Student Development -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5223 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Adjunct Professor College of Health, Education & Professional Studies The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 108 University Center 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc A member of the Division of Student Development From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Lisa C Caringer Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:26 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Website unresponsive Hi Bryon, I'm experiencing the same thing-guess we'll have to use our sleuthing skills we developed in the old days. ;) Lisa Caringer Coordinator, Assistive Technology & Learning Disability Services P: 618-453-5738 TTY: 618-453-2293 F: 618-453-5700 www.disabilityservices.siuc.edu DISABILITY SUPPORT SERVICES MAIL CODE 4705 SOUTHERN ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY 900 S. NORMAL AVENUE WOODY HALL B-104 CARBONDALE, IL 62901 Services for other schools: Remote interpreting http://disabilityservices.siu.edu/services-for-other-universities/vri.html Converting text to accessible formats http://disabilityservices.siu.edu/services-for-other-universities/ats.html [cid:image001.jpg@01CF5E03.CDF3E620] This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify Lisa Caringer at lcare@siu.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:03 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Website unresponsive Hi all, Is anyone experiencing issues with the website publisherlookup.org? I have been trying to access the site for the past couple of days and keep getting an error message that the site can't be reached. I have also tried accessing the site with Firefox and Chrome. Any thoughts? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Adjunct Professor College of Health, Education & Professional Studies [cid:image001.png@01D244AB.C1DE6680] The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 108 University Center 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc A member of the Division of Student Development -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5223 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Job opportunity in Ohio. ******** Hi everyone, Once again, I?m sharing the job posting for the Web Accessibility Coordinator at Ohio University. Our initial effort resulted in a shallow applicant pool, so we are making one more advertising push before closing the posting. OHIO University is seeking a Web Accessibility Coordinator to lead the next phase or our web accessibility initiative. If you?re interested and feel your qualifications are a match, please do apply. More information about the position can be found at this location: https://www.ohiouniversityjobs.com/postings/22119. Ohio University is located in beautiful Athens, Ohio and offers an excellent benefits package, including health benefits, paid time off, and education benefits for employees and qualified dependents. You?re welcome to pass this information along to any colleagues or groups that you think would be interested. Thank you for your time. Kind Regards, Toni Marinucci, Web Services Manager OHIO UNIVERSITY Office of Information Technology WUSOC 395? Athens OH 45701-2979 ? T: 740.597.2523 heightlt@ohio.edu ? www.ohio.edu/web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 18:02:02 +0000 From: Joseph Sherman To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Message-ID: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads "Blank". It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 18:26:12 +0000 From: Susan Kelmer To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Website unresponsive Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" PublisherLookup.org is once again live and open for business. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 19:10:43 +0000 From: "S A. Marositz" To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Message-ID: <9135BCF8DD26794492F2E2ABBFF11E095CB2FC13@ExchangeC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Joseph I just happened to be checking on this, and, I think you are having a problem with Jaws. Jaws 18 is reading text in the description box in Word 2016 for me. HTH Alex Stephen Alexander Marositz J.D. Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College Phone: 626.585.7242 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:02 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads "Blank". It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:35:23 -0500 From: "Karlen Communications" To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Message-ID: <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says "question" when it comes across an image with Alt Text.so not in your imagination.it isn't consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads "Blank". It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list ------------------------------ End of athen-list Digest, Vol 133, Issue 19 ******************************************* --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From vanessa.preast at dmu.edu Wed Feb 22 05:04:30 2017 From: vanessa.preast at dmu.edu (Preast, Vanessa) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: If this is the case.... How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I'm about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says "question" when it comes across an image with Alt Text...so not in your imagination...it isn't consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads "Blank". It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Wed Feb 22 05:22:02 2017 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case.. How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I'm about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says "question" when it comes across an image with Alt Text.so not in your imagination.it isn't consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads "Blank". It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanessa.preast at dmu.edu Wed Feb 22 07:06:26 2017 From: vanessa.preast at dmu.edu (Preast, Vanessa) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: So, it would be acceptable and accurate to continue to make the following recommendation regarding adding alt text when building Word documents? 1. Select image 2. Right click image and select "Format picture..." (Alt + JP, O) 3. Select "Layout & Properties" 4. Go to "Alt text" 5. Leave Title field blank 6. In the Description field, add a concise description of the image Thanks, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case.... How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I'm about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says "question" when it comes across an image with Alt Text...so not in your imagination...it isn't consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads "Blank". It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pratikp1 at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 07:18:25 2017 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <61d0701d28d1e$ea9a4600$bfced200$@gmail.com> Can I ask the following to those experiencing the issues? 1. What exact version of JAWS are you running? 2. What specific version of Word 2016 are you using? This could be related to a potential change that the Office team has made recently. A month or so ago, the Office team had discussed fixing the alt and image issues in Word. Pratik From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case.. How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I'm about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says "question" when it comes across an image with Alt Text.so not in your imagination.it isn't consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads "Blank". It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu Wed Feb 22 07:29:01 2017 From: Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu (Joseph Sherman) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: <61d0701d28d1e$ea9a4600$bfced200$@gmail.com> References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> <61d0701d28d1e$ea9a4600$bfced200$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3927a3773e114952994278ed532f03c7@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> Using Word version 16.0.4498.1000, 64 Bit with JAWS Professional version 18.0.2324 Joseph From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:18 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Can I ask the following to those experiencing the issues? 1. What exact version of JAWS are you running? 2. What specific version of Word 2016 are you using? This could be related to a potential change that the Office team has made recently. A month or so ago, the Office team had discussed fixing the alt and image issues in Word. Pratik From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case.... How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I'm about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says "question" when it comes across an image with Alt Text...so not in your imagination...it isn't consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads "Blank". It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Wed Feb 22 07:29:50 2017 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <001001d28d20$82be86c0$883b9440$@karlencommunications.com> Yes, this is what I continue to train on and advise. We Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 10:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text So, it would be acceptable and accurate to continue to make the following recommendation regarding adding alt text when building Word documents? 1. Select image 2. Right click image and select "Format picture." (Alt + JP, O) 3. Select "Layout & Properties" 4. Go to "Alt text" 5. Leave Title field blank 6. In the Description field, add a concise description of the image Thanks, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case.. How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I'm about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says "question" when it comes across an image with Alt Text.so not in your imagination.it isn't consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads "Blank". It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Wed Feb 22 07:32:48 2017 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: <61d0701d28d1e$ea9a4600$bfced200$@gmail.com> References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> <61d0701d28d1e$ea9a4600$bfced200$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501d28d20$ecc355a0$c64a00e0$@karlencommunications.com> I've had this problem for more than a month. Since the first iteration of JAWS 18. I am using the Office 365 desktop applications with fast insider builds and the behaviour has not changed since the first iteration of JAWS 18. It is similar to what I experience using JAWS with PDF documents since JAWS 17.JAWS tells me there are no images in the PDF document despite the fact that there are and I've given them Alt Text. In the case of the PDF documents, none of the JAWS graphics related keyboard commands can "find" any graphics in my documents. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: February 22, 2017 10:18 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Can I ask the following to those experiencing the issues? 1. What exact version of JAWS are you running? 2. What specific version of Word 2016 are you using? This could be related to a potential change that the Office team has made recently. A month or so ago, the Office team had discussed fixing the alt and image issues in Word. Pratik From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case.. How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I'm about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says "question" when it comes across an image with Alt Text.so not in your imagination.it isn't consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads "Blank". It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lorik at virginia.edu Wed Feb 22 07:36:41 2017 From: lorik at virginia.edu (Kressin, Lori L. (llk2t)) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: <001001d28d20$82be86c0$883b9440$@karlencommunications.com> References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> <001001d28d20$82be86c0$883b9440$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <0FAE2D54-3052-4DA4-9A30-FC620DDC421D@virginia.edu> Hi Karen, Would this be true of PowerPoint as well? What does the ?Title? field do? Thanks so much for all of your guidance! Lori On 2/22/17, 10:34 AM, "athen-list on behalf of Karlen Communications" on behalf of info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: Yes, this is what I continue to train on and advise. We Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 10:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text So, it would be acceptable and accurate to continue to make the following recommendation regarding adding alt text when building Word documents? 1. Select image 2. Right click image and select ?Format picture?? (Alt + JP, O) 3. Select ?Layout & Properties? 4. Go to ?Alt text? 5. Leave Title field blank 6. In the Description field, add a concise description of the image Thanks, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case?. How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I?m about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says ?question? when it comes across an image with Alt Text?so not in your imagination?it isn?t consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads ?Blank?. It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Wed Feb 22 08:24:33 2017 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: <0FAE2D54-3052-4DA4-9A30-FC620DDC421D@virginia.edu> References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> <001001d28d20$82be86c0$883b9440$@karlencommunications.com> <0FAE2D54-3052-4DA4-9A30-FC620DDC421D@virginia.edu> Message-ID: <000e01d28d28$2748dae0$75da90a0$@karlencommunications.com> JAWS 18 IS reading the Alt text of images in PowerPoint?so far. I typically don?t use the Title attribute in Office documents. I don?t know of an adaptive technology that supports it and if I don?t add the Title, the accessibility Checker doesn?t catch it. If we want the Title attribute supported then we need to advocate for the support but I think Alt Text is enough for images in Office documents. If we get support for the Title attribute, then we have to identify what type of text to put in it and how will that be different from or enhance Alt text. We also have to decide when or if to add the Title attribute. If we don?t ?need? it will it get flagged by the Accessibility Checker? If adaptive technology consistently does read the Alt Text attribute (with the exception of bugs that appear in a specific build or version), then do we really need the Title attribute? BTW, if you try to put null Alt Text in an Office document, you end up with us hearing ?graphic, quote, quote? or ?Graphic quote, space, quote? and when you convert the document to tagged PDF, the image is not converted to an Artifact, we still hear that Alt Text of ?graphic, quote, quote.? The word graphic is added by the adaptive technology to let us know that we are on an image. Some techniques don?t transfer to other formats. Office-type documents have no concept of Artifacts or null Alt Text. Sort of like trying to make your house a boat by giving it an anchor and a chain. :) Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kressin, Lori L. (llk2t) Sent: February 22, 2017 10:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Hi Karen, Would this be true of PowerPoint as well? What does the ?Title? field do? Thanks so much for all of your guidance! Lori On 2/22/17, 10:34 AM, "athen-list on behalf of Karlen Communications" on behalf of info@karlencommunications.com > wrote: Yes, this is what I continue to train on and advise. We Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 10:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text So, it would be acceptable and accurate to continue to make the following recommendation regarding adding alt text when building Word documents? 1. Select image 2. Right click image and select ?Format picture?? (Alt + JP, O) 3. Select ?Layout & Properties? 4. Go to ?Alt text? 5. Leave Title field blank 6. In the Description field, add a concise description of the image Thanks, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case?. How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I?m about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says ?question? when it comes across an image with Alt Text?so not in your imagination?it isn?t consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads ?Blank?. It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Feb 22 08:33:15 2017 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: <000e01d28d28$2748dae0$75da90a0$@karlencommunications.com> References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> <001001d28d20$82be86c0$883b9440$@karlencommunications.com> <0FAE2D54-3052-4DA4-9A30-FC620DDC421D@virginia.edu> <000e01d28d28$2748dae0$75da90a0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E3CE8@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Interesting that you say this. I ran a test yesterday when this topic came up. I added an image and added both a title and alt text to it. With JAWS 17, only the title was read, not the alt text. When I added an image with just alt text and no title, then the alt test was read. Hmmm, ?It gets curiousier and curiousier.? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:25 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text JAWS 18 IS reading the Alt text of images in PowerPoint?so far. I typically don?t use the Title attribute in Office documents. I don?t know of an adaptive technology that supports it and if I don?t add the Title, the accessibility Checker doesn?t catch it. If we want the Title attribute supported then we need to advocate for the support but I think Alt Text is enough for images in Office documents. If we get support for the Title attribute, then we have to identify what type of text to put in it and how will that be different from or enhance Alt text. We also have to decide when or if to add the Title attribute. If we don?t ?need? it will it get flagged by the Accessibility Checker? If adaptive technology consistently does read the Alt Text attribute (with the exception of bugs that appear in a specific build or version), then do we really need the Title attribute? BTW, if you try to put null Alt Text in an Office document, you end up with us hearing ?graphic, quote, quote? or ?Graphic quote, space, quote? and when you convert the document to tagged PDF, the image is not converted to an Artifact, we still hear that Alt Text of ?graphic, quote, quote.? The word graphic is added by the adaptive technology to let us know that we are on an image. Some techniques don?t transfer to other formats. Office-type documents have no concept of Artifacts or null Alt Text. Sort of like trying to make your house a boat by giving it an anchor and a chain. ? Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kressin, Lori L. (llk2t) Sent: February 22, 2017 10:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Hi Karen, Would this be true of PowerPoint as well? What does the ?Title? field do? Thanks so much for all of your guidance! Lori On 2/22/17, 10:34 AM, "athen-list on behalf of Karlen Communications" on behalf of info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: Yes, this is what I continue to train on and advise. We Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 10:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text So, it would be acceptable and accurate to continue to make the following recommendation regarding adding alt text when building Word documents? 1. Select image 2. Right click image and select ?Format picture?? (Alt + JP, O) 3. Select ?Layout & Properties? 4. Go to ?Alt text? 5. Leave Title field blank 6. In the Description field, add a concise description of the image Thanks, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case?. How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I?m about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says ?question? when it comes across an image with Alt Text?so not in your imagination?it isn?t consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads ?Blank?. It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hadir at uw.edu Wed Feb 22 08:45:41 2017 From: hadir at uw.edu (Hadi Rangin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: <001501d28d20$ecc355a0$c64a00e0$@karlencommunications.com> References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> <61d0701d28d1e$ea9a4600$bfced200$@gmail.com> <001501d28d20$ecc355a0$c64a00e0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Hello everyone, We will be discussing this issue with Microsoft in our next meeting. Please hold on and don't change your best practices because screen readers don't support some features as expected. We want a consistent and clear transformation of information from one format to another format regardless of what SR or assistive software we are using. Reminder: as most of you know we have a relative good collaboration with Microsoft and meet on monthly bases to discuss MS Office accessibility/usability. If you are interested in this effort, please let me know. Participation in this collaboration group requires signing an NDA and a few hours in a month time commitment. Thanks, Hadi From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:33 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text I've had this problem for more than a month. Since the first iteration of JAWS 18. I am using the Office 365 desktop applications with fast insider builds and the behaviour has not changed since the first iteration of JAWS 18. It is similar to what I experience using JAWS with PDF documents since JAWS 17...JAWS tells me there are no images in the PDF document despite the fact that there are and I've given them Alt Text. In the case of the PDF documents, none of the JAWS graphics related keyboard commands can "find" any graphics in my documents. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: February 22, 2017 10:18 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Can I ask the following to those experiencing the issues? 1. What exact version of JAWS are you running? 2. What specific version of Word 2016 are you using? This could be related to a potential change that the Office team has made recently. A month or so ago, the Office team had discussed fixing the alt and image issues in Word. Pratik From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case.... How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I'm about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says "question" when it comes across an image with Alt Text...so not in your imagination...it isn't consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads "Blank". It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Wed Feb 22 08:47:57 2017 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E3CE8@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> <001001d28d20$82be86c0$883b9440$@karlencommunications.com> <0FAE2D54-3052-4DA4-9A30-FC620DDC421D@virginia.edu> <000e01d28d28$2748dae0$75da90a0$@karlencommunications.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E3CE8@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: I do a lot of training of staff and faculty. I find its best to keep consistent with our recommendations. I agree with Karen that we must keep recommending that alt-text boxes be filled in. I generally ask them to fill out both title and description fields. If some AT works on one or the other or both, at least we?ve got our bases covered. They don?t need to know that Software X, version X doesn?t necessarily work right now. I deal with those issues on a one-on-one basis with my blind students. It simplifies my classes for me and keeps the faculty/staff on a consistent track. I don?t want to do anything to de-motivate them! Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [uccs-signature-email] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:33 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Interesting that you say this. I ran a test yesterday when this topic came up. I added an image and added both a title and alt text to it. With JAWS 17, only the title was read, not the alt text. When I added an image with just alt text and no title, then the alt test was read. Hmmm, ?It gets curiousier and curiousier.? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:25 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text JAWS 18 IS reading the Alt text of images in PowerPoint?so far. I typically don?t use the Title attribute in Office documents. I don?t know of an adaptive technology that supports it and if I don?t add the Title, the accessibility Checker doesn?t catch it. If we want the Title attribute supported then we need to advocate for the support but I think Alt Text is enough for images in Office documents. If we get support for the Title attribute, then we have to identify what type of text to put in it and how will that be different from or enhance Alt text. We also have to decide when or if to add the Title attribute. If we don?t ?need? it will it get flagged by the Accessibility Checker? If adaptive technology consistently does read the Alt Text attribute (with the exception of bugs that appear in a specific build or version), then do we really need the Title attribute? BTW, if you try to put null Alt Text in an Office document, you end up with us hearing ?graphic, quote, quote? or ?Graphic quote, space, quote? and when you convert the document to tagged PDF, the image is not converted to an Artifact, we still hear that Alt Text of ?graphic, quote, quote.? The word graphic is added by the adaptive technology to let us know that we are on an image. Some techniques don?t transfer to other formats. Office-type documents have no concept of Artifacts or null Alt Text. Sort of like trying to make your house a boat by giving it an anchor and a chain. ? Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kressin, Lori L. (llk2t) Sent: February 22, 2017 10:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Hi Karen, Would this be true of PowerPoint as well? What does the ?Title? field do? Thanks so much for all of your guidance! Lori On 2/22/17, 10:34 AM, "athen-list on behalf of Karlen Communications" on behalf of info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: Yes, this is what I continue to train on and advise. We Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 10:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text So, it would be acceptable and accurate to continue to make the following recommendation regarding adding alt text when building Word documents? 1. Select image 2. Right click image and select ?Format picture?? (Alt + JP, O) 3. Select ?Layout & Properties? 4. Go to ?Alt text? 5. Leave Title field blank 6. In the Description field, add a concise description of the image Thanks, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case?. How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I?m about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says ?question? when it comes across an image with Alt Text?so not in your imagination?it isn?t consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads ?Blank?. It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 3598 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Wed Feb 22 09:46:35 2017 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E3CE8@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> <001001d28d20$82be86c0$883b9440$@karlencommunications.com> <0FAE2D54-3052-4DA4-9A30-FC620DDC421D@virginia.edu> <000e01d28d28$2748dae0$75da90a0$@karlencommunications.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E3CE8@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <002401d28d33$9d4ea070$d7ebe150$@karlencommunications.com> Hmm, looks like there is a priority with JAWS in that it looks to see if the Title attribute is filled in and if it s, it reads it and stops. This makes the information in the Alt Text attribute ?inaccessible.? But again, we have to think of other adaptive technologies which may not prioritize which gets read or may ?look for? the Alt Text. It creates interesting questions: where do we put the most important information for an image or do we duplicate it? ..and can we put as much information in the Title attribute as we can in the Alt Text attribute area? Interesting discussion! Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: February 22, 2017 11:33 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Interesting that you say this. I ran a test yesterday when this topic came up. I added an image and added both a title and alt text to it. With JAWS 17, only the title was read, not the alt text. When I added an image with just alt text and no title, then the alt test was read. Hmmm, ?It gets curiousier and curiousier.? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:25 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text JAWS 18 IS reading the Alt text of images in PowerPoint?so far. I typically don?t use the Title attribute in Office documents. I don?t know of an adaptive technology that supports it and if I don?t add the Title, the accessibility Checker doesn?t catch it. If we want the Title attribute supported then we need to advocate for the support but I think Alt Text is enough for images in Office documents. If we get support for the Title attribute, then we have to identify what type of text to put in it and how will that be different from or enhance Alt text. We also have to decide when or if to add the Title attribute. If we don?t ?need? it will it get flagged by the Accessibility Checker? If adaptive technology consistently does read the Alt Text attribute (with the exception of bugs that appear in a specific build or version), then do we really need the Title attribute? BTW, if you try to put null Alt Text in an Office document, you end up with us hearing ?graphic, quote, quote? or ?Graphic quote, space, quote? and when you convert the document to tagged PDF, the image is not converted to an Artifact, we still hear that Alt Text of ?graphic, quote, quote.? The word graphic is added by the adaptive technology to let us know that we are on an image. Some techniques don?t transfer to other formats. Office-type documents have no concept of Artifacts or null Alt Text. Sort of like trying to make your house a boat by giving it an anchor and a chain. :) Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kressin, Lori L. (llk2t) Sent: February 22, 2017 10:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Hi Karen, Would this be true of PowerPoint as well? What does the ?Title? field do? Thanks so much for all of your guidance! Lori On 2/22/17, 10:34 AM, "athen-list on behalf of Karlen Communications" on behalf of info@karlencommunications.com > wrote: Yes, this is what I continue to train on and advise. We Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 10:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text So, it would be acceptable and accurate to continue to make the following recommendation regarding adding alt text when building Word documents? 1. Select image 2. Right click image and select ?Format picture?? (Alt + JP, O) 3. Select ?Layout & Properties? 4. Go to ?Alt text? 5. Leave Title field blank 6. In the Description field, add a concise description of the image Thanks, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case?. How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I?m about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says ?question? when it comes across an image with Alt Text?so not in your imagination?it isn?t consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads ?Blank?. It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Feb 22 09:54:05 2017 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:58 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: <002401d28d33$9d4ea070$d7ebe150$@karlencommunications.com> References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> <001001d28d20$82be86c0$883b9440$@karlencommunications.com> <0FAE2D54-3052-4DA4-9A30-FC620DDC421D@virginia.edu> <000e01d28d28$2748dae0$75da90a0$@karlencommunications.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E3CE8@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <002401d28d33$9d4ea070$d7ebe150$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E3D65@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> And, ? 1) Does Microsoft have plans to change either of these two attributes? 2) Do any of the AT developers have plans to address these two attributes? 3) Do these two tags line up with other attributes in development in the areas of web design, app design, accessible book publishing, etc.? We could really get lost in all of the possibilities with just this discussion. Is it any wonder people feel overwhelmed with digital accessibility? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:47 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Hmm, looks like there is a priority with JAWS in that it looks to see if the Title attribute is filled in and if it s, it reads it and stops. This makes the information in the Alt Text attribute ?inaccessible.? But again, we have to think of other adaptive technologies which may not prioritize which gets read or may ?look for? the Alt Text. It creates interesting questions: where do we put the most important information for an image or do we duplicate it? ..and can we put as much information in the Title attribute as we can in the Alt Text attribute area? Interesting discussion! Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: February 22, 2017 11:33 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Interesting that you say this. I ran a test yesterday when this topic came up. I added an image and added both a title and alt text to it. With JAWS 17, only the title was read, not the alt text. When I added an image with just alt text and no title, then the alt test was read. Hmmm, ?It gets curiousier and curiousier.? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:25 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text JAWS 18 IS reading the Alt text of images in PowerPoint?so far. I typically don?t use the Title attribute in Office documents. I don?t know of an adaptive technology that supports it and if I don?t add the Title, the accessibility Checker doesn?t catch it. If we want the Title attribute supported then we need to advocate for the support but I think Alt Text is enough for images in Office documents. If we get support for the Title attribute, then we have to identify what type of text to put in it and how will that be different from or enhance Alt text. We also have to decide when or if to add the Title attribute. If we don?t ?need? it will it get flagged by the Accessibility Checker? If adaptive technology consistently does read the Alt Text attribute (with the exception of bugs that appear in a specific build or version), then do we really need the Title attribute? BTW, if you try to put null Alt Text in an Office document, you end up with us hearing ?graphic, quote, quote? or ?Graphic quote, space, quote? and when you convert the document to tagged PDF, the image is not converted to an Artifact, we still hear that Alt Text of ?graphic, quote, quote.? The word graphic is added by the adaptive technology to let us know that we are on an image. Some techniques don?t transfer to other formats. Office-type documents have no concept of Artifacts or null Alt Text. Sort of like trying to make your house a boat by giving it an anchor and a chain. ? Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kressin, Lori L. (llk2t) Sent: February 22, 2017 10:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Hi Karen, Would this be true of PowerPoint as well? What does the ?Title? field do? Thanks so much for all of your guidance! Lori On 2/22/17, 10:34 AM, "athen-list on behalf of Karlen Communications" on behalf of info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: Yes, this is what I continue to train on and advise. We Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 10:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text So, it would be acceptable and accurate to continue to make the following recommendation regarding adding alt text when building Word documents? 1. Select image 2. Right click image and select ?Format picture?? (Alt + JP, O) 3. Select ?Layout & Properties? 4. Go to ?Alt text? 5. Leave Title field blank 6. In the Description field, add a concise description of the image Thanks, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case?. How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I?m about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says ?question? when it comes across an image with Alt Text?so not in your imagination?it isn?t consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads ?Blank?. It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanessa.preast at dmu.edu Wed Feb 22 09:58:49 2017 From: vanessa.preast at dmu.edu (Preast, Vanessa) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> <001001d28d20$82be86c0$883b9440$@karlencommunications.com> <0FAE2D54-3052-4DA4-9A30-FC620DDC421D@virginia.edu> <000e01d28d28$2748dae0$75da90a0$@karlencommunications.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E3CE8@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: I?m a bit confused by the different recommendations. How do we know what is the best practice? The Alt text area within Word has both a Title field and Description field. I?m hearing different recommendations on what needs to be filled out, even in this thread. It sounds like WebAIM and NCDAE recommend writing in the Description. At least one specifically indicates leaving Title blank. Yet some others, including Microsoft, are indicating that we should be filling in both. Though one Microsoft document indicates using title only if the description is long there is another Microsoft document suggests both should be completed. I?ve also seen conflicting information about what to do for null items ranging from leaving it blank (which triggers the accessibility checker) to using ?? which seems to also cause problems. [screenshot of Alt text area] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:48 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text I do a lot of training of staff and faculty. I find its best to keep consistent with our recommendations. I agree with Karen that we must keep recommending that alt-text boxes be filled in. I generally ask them to fill out both title and description fields. If some AT works on one or the other or both, at least we?ve got our bases covered. They don?t need to know that Software X, version X doesn?t necessarily work right now. I deal with those issues on a one-on-one basis with my blind students. It simplifies my classes for me and keeps the faculty/staff on a consistent track. I don?t want to do anything to de-motivate them! Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [uccs-signature-email] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:33 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Interesting that you say this. I ran a test yesterday when this topic came up. I added an image and added both a title and alt text to it. With JAWS 17, only the title was read, not the alt text. When I added an image with just alt text and no title, then the alt test was read. Hmmm, ?It gets curiousier and curiousier.? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:25 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text JAWS 18 IS reading the Alt text of images in PowerPoint?so far. I typically don?t use the Title attribute in Office documents. I don?t know of an adaptive technology that supports it and if I don?t add the Title, the accessibility Checker doesn?t catch it. If we want the Title attribute supported then we need to advocate for the support but I think Alt Text is enough for images in Office documents. If we get support for the Title attribute, then we have to identify what type of text to put in it and how will that be different from or enhance Alt text. We also have to decide when or if to add the Title attribute. If we don?t ?need? it will it get flagged by the Accessibility Checker? If adaptive technology consistently does read the Alt Text attribute (with the exception of bugs that appear in a specific build or version), then do we really need the Title attribute? BTW, if you try to put null Alt Text in an Office document, you end up with us hearing ?graphic, quote, quote? or ?Graphic quote, space, quote? and when you convert the document to tagged PDF, the image is not converted to an Artifact, we still hear that Alt Text of ?graphic, quote, quote.? The word graphic is added by the adaptive technology to let us know that we are on an image. Some techniques don?t transfer to other formats. Office-type documents have no concept of Artifacts or null Alt Text. Sort of like trying to make your house a boat by giving it an anchor and a chain. ? Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kressin, Lori L. (llk2t) Sent: February 22, 2017 10:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Hi Karen, Would this be true of PowerPoint as well? What does the ?Title? field do? Thanks so much for all of your guidance! Lori On 2/22/17, 10:34 AM, "athen-list on behalf of Karlen Communications" on behalf of info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: Yes, this is what I continue to train on and advise. We Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 10:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text So, it would be acceptable and accurate to continue to make the following recommendation regarding adding alt text when building Word documents? 1. Select image 2. Right click image and select ?Format picture?? (Alt + JP, O) 3. Select ?Layout & Properties? 4. Go to ?Alt text? 5. Leave Title field blank 6. In the Description field, add a concise description of the image Thanks, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case?. How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I?m about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says ?question? when it comes across an image with Alt Text?so not in your imagination?it isn?t consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads ?Blank?. It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 3598 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 3796 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: From pratikp1 at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 10:00:44 2017 From: pratikp1 at gmail.com (Pratik Patel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E3D65@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> <001001d28d20$82be86c0$883b9440$@karlencommunications.com> <0FAE2D54-3052-4DA4-9A30-FC620DDC421D@virginia.edu> <000e01d28d28$2748dae0$75da90a0$@karlencommunications.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E3CE8@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <002401d28d33$9d4ea070$d7ebe150$@karlencommunications.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E3D65@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <63cd501d28d35$96ebe1f0$c4c3a5d0$@gmail.com> It?s my understanding that Microsoft is going to align this dialog box with industry based common practices. We don?t have details yet. But I would imagine that it will mean that we?d get Alt along with potential longdesc. This is my personal opinion: I?d say title is not relevant in most cases. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 12:54 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text And, ? 1) Does Microsoft have plans to change either of these two attributes? 2) Do any of the AT developers have plans to address these two attributes? 3) Do these two tags line up with other attributes in development in the areas of web design, app design, accessible book publishing, etc.? We could really get lost in all of the possibilities with just this discussion. Is it any wonder people feel overwhelmed with digital accessibility? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:47 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Hmm, looks like there is a priority with JAWS in that it looks to see if the Title attribute is filled in and if it s, it reads it and stops. This makes the information in the Alt Text attribute ?inaccessible.? But again, we have to think of other adaptive technologies which may not prioritize which gets read or may ?look for? the Alt Text. It creates interesting questions: where do we put the most important information for an image or do we duplicate it? ..and can we put as much information in the Title attribute as we can in the Alt Text attribute area? Interesting discussion! Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: February 22, 2017 11:33 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Interesting that you say this. I ran a test yesterday when this topic came up. I added an image and added both a title and alt text to it. With JAWS 17, only the title was read, not the alt text. When I added an image with just alt text and no title, then the alt test was read. Hmmm, ?It gets curiousier and curiousier.? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:25 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text JAWS 18 IS reading the Alt text of images in PowerPoint?so far. I typically don?t use the Title attribute in Office documents. I don?t know of an adaptive technology that supports it and if I don?t add the Title, the accessibility Checker doesn?t catch it. If we want the Title attribute supported then we need to advocate for the support but I think Alt Text is enough for images in Office documents. If we get support for the Title attribute, then we have to identify what type of text to put in it and how will that be different from or enhance Alt text. We also have to decide when or if to add the Title attribute. If we don?t ?need? it will it get flagged by the Accessibility Checker? If adaptive technology consistently does read the Alt Text attribute (with the exception of bugs that appear in a specific build or version), then do we really need the Title attribute? BTW, if you try to put null Alt Text in an Office document, you end up with us hearing ?graphic, quote, quote? or ?Graphic quote, space, quote? and when you convert the document to tagged PDF, the image is not converted to an Artifact, we still hear that Alt Text of ?graphic, quote, quote.? The word graphic is added by the adaptive technology to let us know that we are on an image. Some techniques don?t transfer to other formats. Office-type documents have no concept of Artifacts or null Alt Text. Sort of like trying to make your house a boat by giving it an anchor and a chain. :) Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kressin, Lori L. (llk2t) Sent: February 22, 2017 10:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Hi Karen, Would this be true of PowerPoint as well? What does the ?Title? field do? Thanks so much for all of your guidance! Lori On 2/22/17, 10:34 AM, "athen-list on behalf of Karlen Communications" on behalf of info@karlencommunications.com > wrote: Yes, this is what I continue to train on and advise. We Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 10:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text So, it would be acceptable and accurate to continue to make the following recommendation regarding adding alt text when building Word documents? 1. Select image 2. Right click image and select ?Format picture?? (Alt + JP, O) 3. Select ?Layout & Properties? 4. Go to ?Alt text? 5. Leave Title field blank 6. In the Description field, add a concise description of the image Thanks, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case?. How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I?m about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says ?question? when it comes across an image with Alt Text?so not in your imagination?it isn?t consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads ?Blank?. It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From justinr at disability.tamu.edu Wed Feb 22 10:04:30 2017 From: justinr at disability.tamu.edu (Justin Romack) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: <63cd501d28d35$96ebe1f0$c4c3a5d0$@gmail.com> References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> <001001d28d20$82be86c0$883b9440$@karlencommunications.com> <0FAE2D54-3052-4DA4-9A30-FC620DDC421D@virginia.edu> <000e01d28d28$2748dae0$75da90a0$@karlencommunications.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E3CE8@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <002401d28d33$9d4ea070$d7ebe150$@karlencommunications.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E3D65@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <63cd501d28d35$96ebe1f0$c4c3a5d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7ff3ad7414a34fefbed604246aacf92a@exch-2p-mbx-w4.ads.tamu.edu> I do wonder if there?s a need or plans to indicate when an image is an artifact ? versus trying to ?rig? a solution through spaces or other characters. We seem to have flexibility when authoring in any other content platform in this regard ? but not with the MS products. Thanks! --- Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Services | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 12:01 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text It?s my understanding that Microsoft is going to align this dialog box with industry based common practices. We don?t have details yet. But I would imagine that it will mean that we?d get Alt along with potential longdesc. This is my personal opinion: I?d say title is not relevant in most cases. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 12:54 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text And, ? 1) Does Microsoft have plans to change either of these two attributes? 2) Do any of the AT developers have plans to address these two attributes? 3) Do these two tags line up with other attributes in development in the areas of web design, app design, accessible book publishing, etc.? We could really get lost in all of the possibilities with just this discussion. Is it any wonder people feel overwhelmed with digital accessibility? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:47 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Hmm, looks like there is a priority with JAWS in that it looks to see if the Title attribute is filled in and if it s, it reads it and stops. This makes the information in the Alt Text attribute ?inaccessible.? But again, we have to think of other adaptive technologies which may not prioritize which gets read or may ?look for? the Alt Text. It creates interesting questions: where do we put the most important information for an image or do we duplicate it? ..and can we put as much information in the Title attribute as we can in the Alt Text attribute area? Interesting discussion! Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: February 22, 2017 11:33 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Interesting that you say this. I ran a test yesterday when this topic came up. I added an image and added both a title and alt text to it. With JAWS 17, only the title was read, not the alt text. When I added an image with just alt text and no title, then the alt test was read. Hmmm, ?It gets curiousier and curiousier.? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:25 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text JAWS 18 IS reading the Alt text of images in PowerPoint?so far. I typically don?t use the Title attribute in Office documents. I don?t know of an adaptive technology that supports it and if I don?t add the Title, the accessibility Checker doesn?t catch it. If we want the Title attribute supported then we need to advocate for the support but I think Alt Text is enough for images in Office documents. If we get support for the Title attribute, then we have to identify what type of text to put in it and how will that be different from or enhance Alt text. We also have to decide when or if to add the Title attribute. If we don?t ?need? it will it get flagged by the Accessibility Checker? If adaptive technology consistently does read the Alt Text attribute (with the exception of bugs that appear in a specific build or version), then do we really need the Title attribute? BTW, if you try to put null Alt Text in an Office document, you end up with us hearing ?graphic, quote, quote? or ?Graphic quote, space, quote? and when you convert the document to tagged PDF, the image is not converted to an Artifact, we still hear that Alt Text of ?graphic, quote, quote.? The word graphic is added by the adaptive technology to let us know that we are on an image. Some techniques don?t transfer to other formats. Office-type documents have no concept of Artifacts or null Alt Text. Sort of like trying to make your house a boat by giving it an anchor and a chain. ? Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kressin, Lori L. (llk2t) Sent: February 22, 2017 10:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Hi Karen, Would this be true of PowerPoint as well? What does the ?Title? field do? Thanks so much for all of your guidance! Lori On 2/22/17, 10:34 AM, "athen-list on behalf of Karlen Communications" on behalf of info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: Yes, this is what I continue to train on and advise. We Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 10:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text So, it would be acceptable and accurate to continue to make the following recommendation regarding adding alt text when building Word documents? 1. Select image 2. Right click image and select ?Format picture?? (Alt + JP, O) 3. Select ?Layout & Properties? 4. Go to ?Alt text? 5. Leave Title field blank 6. In the Description field, add a concise description of the image Thanks, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case?. How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I?m about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says ?question? when it comes across an image with Alt Text?so not in your imagination?it isn?t consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads ?Blank?. It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sarah.bourne at mass.gov Wed Feb 22 10:30:24 2017 From: sarah.bourne at mass.gov (Bourne, Sarah (MASSIT)) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> <001001d28d20$82be86c0$883b9440$@karlencommunications.com> <0FAE2D54-3052-4DA4-9A30-FC620DDC421D@virginia.edu> <000e01d28d28$2748dae0$75da90a0$@karlencommunications.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E3CE8@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <48655ae226fb49ecab7ae5e716b64cf5@ES-CHL-EMR-06.es.govt.state.ma.us> Vanessa wrote: I?m a bit confused by the different recommendations. How do we know what is the best practice? The Alt text area within Word has both a Title field and Description field. I?m hearing different recommendations on what needs to be filled out, even in this thread. It sounds like WebAIM and NCDAE recommend writing in the Description. At least one specifically indicates leaving Title blank. Yet some others, including Microsoft, are indicating that we should be filling in both. In testing done by the States of Texas and Minnesota, they found that using the Description field only works with the most combinations of operating systems and screen readers. There are combos where filling in both caused both to be ignored, and at least one where it then read them both. I have not found any combos that do anything with Title only. This testing was a few years ago, but until we hear that Microsoft and/or AT vendors are going to map those elements to different places in the accessibility APIs or change how the mapping is interpreted, I intend to continue using just the Description field for alternative text. sb Sarah E. Bourne Director of IT Accessibility, MassIT Commonwealth of Massachusetts 1 Ashburton Pl. rm 811 Boston MA 02108 617-626-4502 sarah.bourne@mass.gov http://www.mass.gov/MassIT From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 12:59 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text I?m a bit confused by the different recommendations. How do we know what is the best practice? The Alt text area within Word has both a Title field and Description field. I?m hearing different recommendations on what needs to be filled out, even in this thread. It sounds like WebAIM and NCDAE recommend writing in the Description. At least one specifically indicates leaving Title blank. Yet some others, including Microsoft, are indicating that we should be filling in both. Though one Microsoft document indicates using title only if the description is long there is another Microsoft document suggests both should be completed. I?ve also seen conflicting information about what to do for null items ranging from leaving it blank (which triggers the accessibility checker) to using ?? which seems to also cause problems. [screenshot of Alt text area] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:48 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text I do a lot of training of staff and faculty. I find its best to keep consistent with our recommendations. I agree with Karen that we must keep recommending that alt-text boxes be filled in. I generally ask them to fill out both title and description fields. If some AT works on one or the other or both, at least we?ve got our bases covered. They don?t need to know that Software X, version X doesn?t necessarily work right now. I deal with those issues on a one-on-one basis with my blind students. It simplifies my classes for me and keeps the faculty/staff on a consistent track. I don?t want to do anything to de-motivate them! Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [uccs-signature-email] From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:33 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Interesting that you say this. I ran a test yesterday when this topic came up. I added an image and added both a title and alt text to it. With JAWS 17, only the title was read, not the alt text. When I added an image with just alt text and no title, then the alt test was read. Hmmm, ?It gets curiousier and curiousier.? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:25 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text JAWS 18 IS reading the Alt text of images in PowerPoint?so far. I typically don?t use the Title attribute in Office documents. I don?t know of an adaptive technology that supports it and if I don?t add the Title, the accessibility Checker doesn?t catch it. If we want the Title attribute supported then we need to advocate for the support but I think Alt Text is enough for images in Office documents. If we get support for the Title attribute, then we have to identify what type of text to put in it and how will that be different from or enhance Alt text. We also have to decide when or if to add the Title attribute. If we don?t ?need? it will it get flagged by the Accessibility Checker? If adaptive technology consistently does read the Alt Text attribute (with the exception of bugs that appear in a specific build or version), then do we really need the Title attribute? BTW, if you try to put null Alt Text in an Office document, you end up with us hearing ?graphic, quote, quote? or ?Graphic quote, space, quote? and when you convert the document to tagged PDF, the image is not converted to an Artifact, we still hear that Alt Text of ?graphic, quote, quote.? The word graphic is added by the adaptive technology to let us know that we are on an image. Some techniques don?t transfer to other formats. Office-type documents have no concept of Artifacts or null Alt Text. Sort of like trying to make your house a boat by giving it an anchor and a chain. ? Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kressin, Lori L. (llk2t) Sent: February 22, 2017 10:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Hi Karen, Would this be true of PowerPoint as well? What does the ?Title? field do? Thanks so much for all of your guidance! Lori On 2/22/17, 10:34 AM, "athen-list on behalf of Karlen Communications" on behalf of info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: Yes, this is what I continue to train on and advise. We Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 10:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text So, it would be acceptable and accurate to continue to make the following recommendation regarding adding alt text when building Word documents? 1. Select image 2. Right click image and select ?Format picture?? (Alt + JP, O) 3. Select ?Layout & Properties? 4. Go to ?Alt text? 5. Leave Title field blank 6. In the Description field, add a concise description of the image Thanks, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case?. How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I?m about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says ?question? when it comes across an image with Alt Text?so not in your imagination?it isn?t consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads ?Blank?. It will read text in the Title box if it exists. 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They seem like they should provide much better accessibility support for labels, instructions, etc., but JAWS (at least) does not pick up any of that information. This leaves us with the guidance to continue using the ?legacy? form controls, which aren?t that great. sb Sarah E. Bourne Director of IT Accessibility, MassIT Commonwealth of Massachusetts 1 Ashburton Pl. rm 811 Boston MA 02108 617-626-4502 sarah.bourne@mass.gov http://www.mass.gov/MassIT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They also act as key traps once you get in them you have problems getting out and getting information from adaptive technology that you have indeed gotten out of them. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bourne, Sarah (MASSIT) Sent: February 22, 2017 1:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Speaking of API mappings? It would be wonderful if the really nifty form elements in DOCX could be picked up. They seem like they should provide much better accessibility support for labels, instructions, etc., but JAWS (at least) does not pick up any of that information. This leaves us with the guidance to continue using the ?legacy? form controls, which aren?t that great. sb Sarah E. 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URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Wed Feb 22 11:36:07 2017 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (Chagnon | PubCom) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: <48655ae226fb49ecab7ae5e716b64cf5@ES-CHL-EMR-06.es.govt.state.ma.us> References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> <001001d28d20$82be86c0$883b9440$@karlencommunications.com> <0FAE2D54-3052-4DA4-9A30-FC620DDC421D@virginia.edu> <000e01d28d28$2748dae0$75da90a0$@karlencommunications.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84011F8E3CE8@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <48655ae226fb49ecab7ae5e716b64cf5@ES-CHL-EMR-06.es.govt.state.ma.us> Message-ID: <007d01d28d42$ea818380$bf848a80$@pubcom.com> Venessa wrote: ?Yet some others, including Microsoft, are indicating that we should be filling in both.? A few years back, some assistive technologies would read both the title and description fields and users were tortured by hearing the Alt-text twice. Please, let?s not go back to that! The solution is two part: 1. The international standards groups must create and manage the standards (WCAG and PDF/UA). These become the rule of the game, so to speak. 2. All 5 stakeholder groups must abide by the standards. They must agree to play by the rules of the game. That means all software companies (mainly Microsoft and Adobe) must stop making up their own unique tools and labels, and instead create the tools that meet the accessibility standards. Example: it?s called ?alt-text? not ?description? or anything else. ?Title? isn?t required for PDF/UA, and as far as I know, not for WCAG either. ?Title? generally isn?t recognized by any AT. All assistive technologies must build their tools to recognize the accessibility standards. It?s not a choice to read either the ?title? or ?description? field: they should only read the ?alt-text? field. Us content creators must create documents and digital content that meets the standards. Those who use assistive technologies must learn how to use their AT tools. And the standards groups must continually adjust the standards to meet technology changes, as well as work to bring more diverse content under the standards. If all stakeholders don?t agree to the same rules, then nothing is going to work. As content creators, we can?t customize our content for every potential combo of operating system and assistive technology; that?s not a feasible solution. Instead, we create our content to meet the standards. In this case, we fill in a field box that should be called ?Alt-Text.? If a particular assistive technology isn?t presenting that information correctly, then we must make them aware of the failure and have them correct their AT. I know those in academia must from time to time find a temporary solution to meet a student?s needs, but that should be only a temporary workaround, not a permanent procedure or policy. And for goodness sake, tell the AT manufacturer about the shortcoming of their AT. If we don?t squeak up, they?ll never correct the error. --Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon | www.PubCom.com Technologists, Consultants, Trainers, Designers, and Developers for publishing & communication | Acrobat PDF | Print | EPUBS | Sec. 508 Accessibility | ? ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanessa.preast at dmu.edu Wed Feb 22 12:20:07 2017 From: vanessa.preast at dmu.edu (Preast, Vanessa) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> <61d0701d28d1e$ea9a4600$bfced200$@gmail.com> <001501d28d20$ecc355a0$c64a00e0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Hadi, I'm interested. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Hadi Rangin Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:46 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Hello everyone, We will be discussing this issue with Microsoft in our next meeting. Please hold on and don't change your best practices because screen readers don't support some features as expected. We want a consistent and clear transformation of information from one format to another format regardless of what SR or assistive software we are using. Reminder: as most of you know we have a relative good collaboration with Microsoft and meet on monthly bases to discuss MS Office accessibility/usability. If you are interested in this effort, please let me know. Participation in this collaboration group requires signing an NDA and a few hours in a month time commitment. Thanks, Hadi From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:33 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text I've had this problem for more than a month. Since the first iteration of JAWS 18. I am using the Office 365 desktop applications with fast insider builds and the behaviour has not changed since the first iteration of JAWS 18. It is similar to what I experience using JAWS with PDF documents since JAWS 17...JAWS tells me there are no images in the PDF document despite the fact that there are and I've given them Alt Text. In the case of the PDF documents, none of the JAWS graphics related keyboard commands can "find" any graphics in my documents. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: February 22, 2017 10:18 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Can I ask the following to those experiencing the issues? 1. What exact version of JAWS are you running? 2. What specific version of Word 2016 are you using? This could be related to a potential change that the Office team has made recently. A month or so ago, the Office team had discussed fixing the alt and image issues in Word. Pratik From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case.... How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I'm about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says "question" when it comes across an image with Alt Text...so not in your imagination...it isn't consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads "Blank". It will read text in the Title box if it exists. NVDA on the other hand, will read text in the Description box, and only read Title box if no Description exists. Am I doing something wrong or is this a JAWS bug? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Wed Feb 22 12:37:56 2017 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In-Reply-To: References: <65c2b823eb7e4f7f8d859bd8f11b9d88@EXCPM5702.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <002501d28c79$a73b0480$f5b10d80$@karlencommunications.com> <003301d28d0e$a84a35e0$f8dea1a0$@karlencommunications.com> <61d0701d28d1e$ea9a4600$bfced200$@gmail.com> <001501d28d20$ecc355a0$c64a00e0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Me too Hadi. :) Leyna From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 1:20 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Hadi, I'm interested. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Hadi Rangin Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:46 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Hello everyone, We will be discussing this issue with Microsoft in our next meeting. Please hold on and don't change your best practices because screen readers don't support some features as expected. We want a consistent and clear transformation of information from one format to another format regardless of what SR or assistive software we are using. Reminder: as most of you know we have a relative good collaboration with Microsoft and meet on monthly bases to discuss MS Office accessibility/usability. If you are interested in this effort, please let me know. Participation in this collaboration group requires signing an NDA and a few hours in a month time commitment. Thanks, Hadi From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:33 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text I've had this problem for more than a month. Since the first iteration of JAWS 18. I am using the Office 365 desktop applications with fast insider builds and the behaviour has not changed since the first iteration of JAWS 18. It is similar to what I experience using JAWS with PDF documents since JAWS 17...JAWS tells me there are no images in the PDF document despite the fact that there are and I've given them Alt Text. In the case of the PDF documents, none of the JAWS graphics related keyboard commands can "find" any graphics in my documents. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Pratik Patel Sent: February 22, 2017 10:18 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Can I ask the following to those experiencing the issues? 1. What exact version of JAWS are you running? 2. What specific version of Word 2016 are you using? This could be related to a potential change that the Office team has made recently. A month or so ago, the Office team had discussed fixing the alt and image issues in Word. Pratik From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:22 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text We have to continue to add the Alt Text for images. JAWS is not the only adaptive technology being used by people. There are other screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools that can access the Alt text. We have to focus on the best practices/standards, and not a specific adaptive technology where a tool/feature might be broken from one version to another. Also, as indicated by someone, the reading of Alt text is working for them using the same version of JAWS, so this may be a device problem or something else that is going on. Bottom line is that we make documents as accessible as they can be using the tools in the document format/application and when something breaks from one version to another, we let the adaptive technology developers know and lobby for getting it fixed. In this case, even though JAWS is not reading the Alt Text for the images in a Word document, if I press Ctrl + Shift + letter O, I get a list of objects and the images are listed by their Alt Text. It is just when I go through the document in a logical manner that the problem surfaces. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Preast, Vanessa Sent: February 22, 2017 8:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text If this is the case.... How does this change our recommendations/instructions for alt text in Word? I'm about to distribute some instructions to our institution on how to add Alt text to Word document images. I want to make sure my instructions are accurate and functional. Should I tell them to add the description in 1) The title, 2) the description box, or 3) both? Until this point, it sounded like #2 is what most accessibility experts are recommending. Best, Vanessa From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 1:35 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text Yes, in my case JAWS 18 either says nothing or says "question" when it comes across an image with Alt Text...so not in your imagination...it isn't consistently reading the Alt text. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: February 21, 2017 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Word 2016 and JAWS/NVDA Image ALT text In Word 2016, using JAWS 18 standard settings, JAWS will not read the ALT text that is in the Description box. If there is text in the description box it simply reads "Blank". It will read text in the Title box if it exists. 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URL: From wfrankhouser at everettcc.edu Wed Feb 22 14:08:09 2017 From: wfrankhouser at everettcc.edu (William Frankhouser) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Siteimprove In-Reply-To: <93100719c8ac4290977f53edab9abe3b@mbx1.fortlewis.edu> References: <93100719c8ac4290977f53edab9abe3b@mbx1.fortlewis.edu> Message-ID: Here at Everett Community College we just signed on with them. We are starting the onboarding to adjust our groups/URL paths to gather data for the Accessibility Reports to identify our priority of fixes. We are still brand new, but it seems to be a great proactive way to audit the site and meeting WCAG 2.0 standards. William Frankhouser IT Web Services wfrankhouser@everettcc.edu Everett Community College On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 2:01 PM Jenkins, Dian wrote: > Hi all, > > > > Has anyone used this company to help monitor web accessibility? If not, > are you using a similar company? > > > > https://siteimprove.com/ > > > > Thank you, > > > > Dian Jenkins > > Director, Disability Services and Testing Center > > 280 Noble Hall > > Durango, CO 81301 > > 970-247-7459 <(970)%20247-7459> > > jenkins_d@fortlewis.edu > > www.fortlewis.edu/disability > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- William Frankhouser IT Web Services 425-259-8705 wfrankhouser@everettcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tft at uw.edu Wed Feb 22 14:34:53 2017 From: tft at uw.edu (Terrill Thompson) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Video player user testing @ CSUN Message-ID: Hi Gian, We haven't decided yet how we'll distribute our findings, but we do intend to contribute somehow to the global body of knowledge about such things. I'll keep you posted. I'd love to see your video player testing results as well. How will you be sharing that at CSUN? One of your presentations? Regards, Terrill --- Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology University of Washington tft@uw.edu > > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 23:37:39 +0000 > From: Gian Wild > To: "athen-list@u.washington.edu" > Subject: Re: [Athen] Video player user testing @ CSUN > > > Terrill - great idea! Are you able to share the results? We have a whole > bunch of video player testing that we will be sharing at CSUN, and it would > be great to put this information all in the same place. > Cheers, > Gian > > Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 14:12:11 -0800 > From: Terrill Thompson > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] Video player user testing @ CSUN > Message-ID: > com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi All, > > At CSUN 2017 the University of Washington would like to meet with > individuals with disabilities regarding accessibility of online video > players. Throughout the conference, we'll be conducting one-on-one > interviews and small focus groups. We are particularly interested in > recruiting people who use captions, sign language, or audio description > when watching videos. Anyone who participates will receive a $50 VISA cash > card as a token of our appreciation, and will be helping to improve the > state of online video accessibility. > > To sign-up for a time slot, please visit the following website: > http://tinyurl.com/csun2017-video-testing > > If you know people who are attending CSUN who might be interested, please > let them know about this opportunity. And feel free to distribute this > announcement far and wide! > > Thanks, > Terrill > --- > Terrill Thompson > Technology Accessibility Specialist > DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services > UW Information Technology > University of Washington > tft@uw.edu > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arovner at shoreline.edu Wed Feb 22 14:41:54 2017 From: arovner at shoreline.edu (Rovner, Amy) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Siteimprove In-Reply-To: References: <93100719c8ac4290977f53edab9abe3b@mbx1.fortlewis.edu>, Message-ID: We have been considering SiteImprove as well. It doesn't help you with Canvas right, just your college website? Amy Amy Rovner, MPH RD eLearning Instructional Designer Associate Faculty Nutrition ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of William Frankhouser Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 2:08 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Siteimprove Here at Everett Community College we just signed on with them. We are starting the onboarding to adjust our groups/URL paths to gather data for the Accessibility Reports to identify our priority of fixes. We are still brand new, but it seems to be a great proactive way to audit the site and meeting WCAG 2.0 standards. William Frankhouser IT Web Services wfrankhouser@everettcc.edu Everett Community College On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 2:01 PM Jenkins, Dian > wrote: Hi all, Has anyone used this company to help monitor web accessibility? If not, are you using a similar company? https://siteimprove.com/ Thank you, Dian Jenkins Director, Disability Services and Testing Center 280 Noble Hall Durango, CO 81301 970-247-7459 jenkins_d@fortlewis.edu www.fortlewis.edu/disability _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- William Frankhouser IT Web Services 425-259-8705 wfrankhouser@everettcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsuttondc at gmail.com Wed Feb 22 14:57:35 2017 From: jsuttondc at gmail.com (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] choosing a website assessment vendor Message-ID: <3894aa84-5545-198f-a919-3063b539423d@gmail.com> In case some of you haven't seen what I'll include below, I thought those who are choosing a website assessment vendor/tool(s) might find these citations of interest. In my experience of making such choices, and as we would expect, all have their pros and cons. It's a matter of picking the best tool(s) you can, based on resources, workflows, kinds of sites (such as Drupal/WordPress -- yes, there are some specific tools/plugins that can help on such platforms), etc. As some of you know, Karl sells Tenon,, but I point out some of his pieces not for endorsement; rather, they're some of the clearest ones I've seen to guide selection for anyone in the field. These articles may be a bit dated, in their specifics, but I expect concepts continue to apply. Hope this info helps. and hope there have been/will be presentations at AHEAD and AHG that can help with these sorts of decisions. Finally, if you look at the WAI's tools list, cited below, and you see tools that are not included, please take a moment to submit for consideration. The submission link is the last of the six below. Best, Jennifer Choosing an Automated Accessibility Testing Tool 13 Questions you should Ask http://www.karlgroves.com/2013/06/28/choosing-an-automated-accessibility-testing-tool-13-questions-you-should-ask/ Some thoughts on automated web accessibility testing Karl Groves http://www.karlgroves.com/2013/09/29/some-thoughts-on-automated-web-accessibility-testing/ The Problem with Automated Website Accessibility Testing Tools http://www.karlgroves.com/2011/06/12/the-problem-with-automated-testing-tools/ Web Accessibility Testing Tools Who tests the DOM Karl Groves http://www.karlgroves.com/2013/09/06/web-accessibility-testing-tools-who-tests-the-dom/ Two links from WAI: Web Accessibility Evaluation Tools List http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/ List a Web Accessibility Evaluation Tool http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/submission From lbencomo at uccs.edu Wed Feb 22 15:50:44 2017 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] choosing a website assessment vendor In-Reply-To: <3894aa84-5545-198f-a919-3063b539423d@gmail.com> References: <3894aa84-5545-198f-a919-3063b539423d@gmail.com> Message-ID: Great article from Karl Groves! Thank you. I have seen SSB Bart's tool in action and thought it was the most impressive I'd seen. Our web team bought SiteImprove because of its other features (not accessibility) and they use it happily. Leyna -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Jennifer Sutton Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 3:58 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] choosing a website assessment vendor In case some of you haven't seen what I'll include below, I thought those who are choosing a website assessment vendor/tool(s) might find these citations of interest. In my experience of making such choices, and as we would expect, all have their pros and cons. It's a matter of picking the best tool(s) you can, based on resources, workflows, kinds of sites (such as Drupal/WordPress -- yes, there are some specific tools/plugins that can help on such platforms), etc. As some of you know, Karl sells Tenon,, but I point out some of his pieces not for endorsement; rather, they're some of the clearest ones I've seen to guide selection for anyone in the field. These articles may be a bit dated, in their specifics, but I expect concepts continue to apply. Hope this info helps. and hope there have been/will be presentations at AHEAD and AHG that can help with these sorts of decisions. Finally, if you look at the WAI's tools list, cited below, and you see tools that are not included, please take a moment to submit for consideration. The submission link is the last of the six below. Best, Jennifer Choosing an Automated Accessibility Testing Tool 13 Questions you should Ask http://www.karlgroves.com/2013/06/28/choosing-an-automated-accessibility-testing-tool-13-questions-you-should-ask/ Some thoughts on automated web accessibility testing Karl Groves http://www.karlgroves.com/2013/09/29/some-thoughts-on-automated-web-accessibility-testing/ The Problem with Automated Website Accessibility Testing Tools http://www.karlgroves.com/2011/06/12/the-problem-with-automated-testing-tools/ Web Accessibility Testing Tools Who tests the DOM Karl Groves http://www.karlgroves.com/2013/09/06/web-accessibility-testing-tools-who-tests-the-dom/ Two links from WAI: Web Accessibility Evaluation Tools List http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/ List a Web Accessibility Evaluation Tool http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/submission _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From hkramer at ahead.org Thu Feb 23 10:00:26 2017 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 2, 7:30 pm Message-ID: Dear Colleagues: As per previous years, I'd like to hold a dinner/meeting at the Harbor House (behind the Grand Hyatt) on Thursday evening (7:30 p.m.), March 2, at CSUN (International Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference) for dinner and for ATHEN members (or others) to provide their input on this year's Accessing Higher Ground conference. Please let me know if you plan to attend so I can guestimate the right size table. *Note about dinner/meeting time:* I know in past years there's been a Tweet-up event in the evening on Thursday. As a result we've met a little later - about 8:15 in the past. I don't see anything in the schedule (about any evening events except the Tuesday keynote). Anyway, we can always move the meeting time back a bit if there's a conflicting event. *NEA grant on Promoting the Integration of Universal Design into University Curricula (UDUC) ? Focus on National Dissemination* I don't know how many of you remember the UDUC project from a few years ago but a nationally directed version of the project was funded for 2017 - 2018. I'd like to get your input on strategies for carrying out the objective of the project - increasing the teaching of UD and accessibility related content in design and tech classes. I.e. what's the best way to reach faculty and what training/resources would most contribute to achieving the goal of the project. I'll probably schedule this meeting at around Thursday6:30, before the ATHEN/AHG meeting, either at the hotel cafe or at the Harbor House. Let me know if you're interested in participating. I may schedule some other times for this during the week. See you next week. Regards, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. 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The City University of New York Accessibility Conference is an opportunity to: * Explore how emerging trends in technology and pedagogy benefit students with disabilities in higher education * Consider innovative approaches that facilitate collaboration among academic stakeholders, including faculty, students, administrators, and disability service providers * Examine best practices that support and encourage innovative partnerships University-wide, and in academia as a whole * Promote the fundamental values of equity and inclusion in the classroom and beyond * Highlight the role that technology plays in supporting success of students with disabilities in the classroom Having selected knowledgeable presenters and speakers in the accessibility and technology field, this year's conference is well on its way to being our best conference yet. Join us for an event filled with learning and networking, register today! 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Join one of the fastest growing accessibility companies Interactive Accessibility is hiring professionals who are creative, intelligent, detail-oriented and demonstrate initiative. Qualified candidates should submit a resume and cover letter using the contact us< http://www.interactiveaccessibility.com/contact> form, by email to info@ia11y.com, or fax it to (978) 560-1251. Accessibility Specialist Job Description Responsibilities * Assess websites for accessibility compliance according to WCAG 2.0 and Section 508 * Write detailed reports of reviewed products indicating accessibility problems and recommended modifications * Providing code samples illustrating how to implement recommended modifications * Keep abreast of technology changes and guideline/specification development * Collaborate with senior accessibility specialists to resolve complex accessibility issues * Contribute to other company accessibility efforts, such as participating in special projects, providing in-person training to clients, answering help desk questions, writing blog posts, and presenting at conferences Essential Qualifications and Skills * Degree in Computer Science or related comparable experience * 2 or more years experience evaluating websites for accessibility according to WCAG 2.0 and Section 508 * Working knowledge of WCAG 2.0, WAI-ARIA, and Section 508 * Working knowledge of HTML5, CSS, and JavaScript * Experience working with assistive technologies * Excellent verbal and written communication * Independent self-starter who can operate in a remote environment Desirable Qualifications and Skills * Experience with evaluating accessibility on mobile devices, both native apps and HTML-based apps * Experience training or teaching About Interactive Accessibility Interactive Accessibility is recognized globally as a leading consulting organization that specializes in accessible websites, web applications, documents, and mobile applications. We work with many leading corporations, trade associations, non-profits, foundations, educational institutions and government entities to produce individual solutions to meet their needs in the evolving field of information technology accessibility. If you are interested in applying, please send your resume and a cover letter to info@ia11y.com. For more info, go to: http://www.interactiveaccessibility.com/careers Thanks! Jeremy Curry Interactive Accessibility www.InteractiveAccessibility.com NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please reply to the sender indicating that fact and delete the copy you received. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Fri Feb 24 07:11:21 2017 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 2, 7:30 pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Howard, I would like to attend. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:00 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 2, 7:30 pm Dear Colleagues: As per previous years, I'd like to hold a dinner/meeting at the Harbor House (behind the Grand Hyatt) on Thursday evening (7:30 p.m.), March 2, at CSUN (International Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference) for dinner and for ATHEN members (or others) to provide their input on this year's Accessing Higher Ground conference. Please let me know if you plan to attend so I can guestimate the right size table. Note about dinner/meeting time: I know in past years there's been a Tweet-up event in the evening on Thursday. As a result we've met a little later - about 8:15 in the past. I don't see anything in the schedule (about any evening events except the Tuesday keynote). Anyway, we can always move the meeting time back a bit if there's a conflicting event. NEA grant on Promoting the Integration of Universal Design into University Curricula (UDUC) ? Focus on National Dissemination I don't know how many of you remember the UDUC project from a few years ago but a nationally directed version of the project was funded for 2017 - 2018. I'd like to get your input on strategies for carrying out the objective of the project - increasing the teaching of UD and accessibility related content in design and tech classes. I.e. what's the best way to reach faculty and what training/resources would most contribute to achieving the goal of the project. I'll probably schedule this meeting at around Thursday6:30, before the ATHEN/AHG meeting, either at the hotel cafe or at the Harbor House. Let me know if you're interested in participating. I may schedule some other times for this during the week. See you next week. Regards, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Fri Feb 24 08:12:59 2017 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 2, 7:30 pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great - I'll note you as attending. -Howard On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Leyna Bencomo wrote: > Howard, > > > > I would like to attend. > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Howard Kramer > *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:00 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 2, > 7:30 pm > > > > Dear Colleagues: > > > > As per previous years, I'd like to hold a dinner/meeting at the Harbor > House (behind the Grand Hyatt) on Thursday evening (7:30 p.m.), March 2, at > CSUN (International Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference) > for dinner and for ATHEN members (or others) to provide their input on this > year's Accessing Higher Ground conference. Please let me know if you plan > to attend so I can guestimate the right size table. > > > > *Note about dinner/meeting time:* I know in past years there's been a > Tweet-up event in the evening on Thursday. As a result we've met a little > later - about 8:15 in the past. I don't see anything in the schedule (about > any evening events except the Tuesday keynote). Anyway, we can always move > the meeting time back a bit if there's a conflicting event. > > > > *NEA grant on Promoting the Integration of Universal Design into > University Curricula (UDUC) ? Focus on National Dissemination* > > > > I don't know how many of you remember the UDUC project from a few years > ago but a nationally directed version of the project was funded for 2017 - > 2018. I'd like to get your input on strategies for carrying out the > objective of the project - increasing the teaching of UD and accessibility > related content in design and tech classes. I.e. what's the best way to > reach faculty and what training/resources would most contribute to > achieving the goal of the project. > > > > I'll probably schedule this meeting at around Thursday6:30, before the > ATHEN/AHG meeting, either at the hotel cafe or at the Harbor House. Let me > know if you're interested in participating. I may schedule some other times > for this during the week. > > > > See you next week. > > > > Regards, > > Howard > > > > > -- > > Howard Kramer > > Conference Coordinator > > Accessing Higher Ground > > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> > > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> > > > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, > 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! > * And the *Technology > Access Series *. > Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your > earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsuttondc at gmail.com Fri Feb 24 12:01:18 2017 From: jsuttondc at gmail.com (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] =?utf-8?q?What_we_found_when_we_tested_tools_on_the_world?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_least-accessible_webpage?= Message-ID: <30367e03-97a2-a059-9371-9877454d86e0@gmail.com> Greetings, ATHENites: I thought some of you might find this research, conducted in the UK, of some interest. I'll also be posting to the WebAIM list. Best, Jennifer What we found when we tested tools on the world?s least-accessible webpage https://accessibility.blog.gov.uk/2017/02/24/what-we-found-when-we-tested-tools-on-the-worlds-least-accessible-webpage/ From tristenbreitenfeldt at gmail.com Fri Feb 24 13:52:02 2017 From: tristenbreitenfeldt at gmail.com (Tristen Breitenfeldt) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] [WebAIM] Interactive Accessibility is looking for an Accessibility Specialist Message-ID: <000701d28ee8$3c83e780$b58bb680$@gmail.com> Hello, Does anyone know where this position is located? Thanks, Tristen Breitenfeldt tristenbreitenfeldt@gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 12:00 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 133, Issue 22 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. FW: Interactive Accessibility is looking for an Accessibility Specialist (ATHEN President) 2. Re: ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 2, 7:30 pm (Leyna Bencomo) 3. Re: ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 2, 7:30 pm (Howard Kramer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 15:26:53 -0800 From: ATHEN President To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] FW: Interactive Accessibility is looking for an Accessibility Specialist Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Job opportunity as Accessibility Specialists at Interactive Accessibility. Please see below. Take care, Sean ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jeremy Curry Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 16:01:38 +0000 Subject: [WebAIM] Interactive Accessibility is looking for an Accessibility Specialist Hi Everyone, We are looking to hire an Accessibility Specialist. If you or someone you know is interested, please check out the info below. Feel free to forward to other a11y groups, social media, or other interested parties. Join one of the fastest growing accessibility companies Interactive Accessibility is hiring professionals who are creative, intelligent, detail-oriented and demonstrate initiative. Qualified candidates should submit a resume and cover letter using the contact us< http://www.interactiveaccessibility.com/contact> form, by email to info@ia11y.com, or fax it to (978) 560-1251. Accessibility Specialist Job Description Responsibilities * Assess websites for accessibility compliance according to WCAG 2.0 and Section 508 * Write detailed reports of reviewed products indicating accessibility problems and recommended modifications * Providing code samples illustrating how to implement recommended modifications * Keep abreast of technology changes and guideline/specification development * Collaborate with senior accessibility specialists to resolve complex accessibility issues * Contribute to other company accessibility efforts, such as participating in special projects, providing in-person training to clients, answering help desk questions, writing blog posts, and presenting at conferences Essential Qualifications and Skills * Degree in Computer Science or related comparable experience * 2 or more years experience evaluating websites for accessibility according to WCAG 2.0 and Section 508 * Working knowledge of WCAG 2.0, WAI-ARIA, and Section 508 * Working knowledge of HTML5, CSS, and JavaScript * Experience working with assistive technologies * Excellent verbal and written communication * Independent self-starter who can operate in a remote environment Desirable Qualifications and Skills * Experience with evaluating accessibility on mobile devices, both native apps and HTML-based apps * Experience training or teaching About Interactive Accessibility Interactive Accessibility is recognized globally as a leading consulting organization that specializes in accessible websites, web applications, documents, and mobile applications. We work with many leading corporations, trade associations, non-profits, foundations, educational institutions and government entities to produce individual solutions to meet their needs in the evolving field of information technology accessibility. If you are interested in applying, please send your resume and a cover letter to info@ia11y.com. For more info, go to: http://www.interactiveaccessibility.com/careers Thanks! Jeremy Curry Interactive Accessibility www.InteractiveAccessibility.com NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please reply to the sender indicating that fact and delete the copy you received. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please let me know if you plan to attend so I can guestimate the right size table. Note about dinner/meeting time: I know in past years there's been a Tweet-up event in the evening on Thursday. As a result we've met a little later - about 8:15 in the past. I don't see anything in the schedule (about any evening events except the Tuesday keynote). Anyway, we can always move the meeting time back a bit if there's a conflicting event. NEA grant on Promoting the Integration of Universal Design into University Curricula (UDUC) ? Focus on National Dissemination I don't know how many of you remember the UDUC project from a few years ago but a nationally directed version of the project was funded for 2017 - 2018. I'd like to get your input on strategies for carrying out the objective of the project - increasing the teaching of UD and accessibility related content in design and tech classes. I.e. what's the best way to reach faculty and what training/resources would most contribute to achieving the goal of the project. I'll probably schedule this meeting at around Thursday6:30, before the ATHEN/AHG meeting, either at the hotel cafe or at the Harbor House. Let me know if you're interested in participating. I may schedule some other times for this during the week. See you next week. Regards, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? 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URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 09:12:59 -0700 From: Howard Kramer To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 2, 7:30 pm Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Great - I'll note you as attending. -Howard On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Leyna Bencomo wrote: > Howard, > > > > I would like to attend. > > > > *From:* athen-list > [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of > *Howard Kramer > *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:00 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March > 2, > 7:30 pm > > > > Dear Colleagues: > > > > As per previous years, I'd like to hold a dinner/meeting at the Harbor > House (behind the Grand Hyatt) on Thursday evening (7:30 p.m.), March > 2, at CSUN (International Technology and Persons with Disabilities > Conference) for dinner and for ATHEN members (or others) to provide > their input on this year's Accessing Higher Ground conference. Please > let me know if you plan to attend so I can guestimate the right size table. > > > > *Note about dinner/meeting time:* I know in past years there's been a > Tweet-up event in the evening on Thursday. As a result we've met a > little later - about 8:15 in the past. I don't see anything in the > schedule (about any evening events except the Tuesday keynote). > Anyway, we can always move the meeting time back a bit if there's a conflicting event. > > > > *NEA grant on Promoting the Integration of Universal Design into > University Curricula (UDUC) ? Focus on National Dissemination* > > > > I don't know how many of you remember the UDUC project from a few > years ago but a nationally directed version of the project was funded > for 2017 - 2018. I'd like to get your input on strategies for carrying > out the objective of the project - increasing the teaching of UD and > accessibility related content in design and tech classes. I.e. what's > the best way to reach faculty and what training/resources would most > contribute to achieving the goal of the project. > > > > I'll probably schedule this meeting at around Thursday6:30, before the > ATHEN/AHG meeting, either at the hotel cafe or at the Harbor House. > Let me know if you're interested in participating. I may schedule some > other times for this during the week. > > > > See you next week. > > > > Regards, > > Howard > > > > > -- > > Howard Kramer > > Conference Coordinator > > Accessing Higher Ground > > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> > > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> > > > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, > 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full > line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! > * And the > *Technology Access Series *. > Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at > your earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Take care, Sean On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Tristen Breitenfeldt < tristenbreitenfeldt@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > Does anyone know where this position is located? > > Thanks, > > Tristen Breitenfeldt > tristenbreitenfeldt@gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Fri Feb 24 14:21:27 2017 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:33:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - slight change of time Message-ID: Ok - so let's plan to meet at 7:15 p.m. at the Harbor House for the AHG meeting. We'll meet at 5:30 to 6:30 p.m. at the west side of the Hyatt by the coffee/bar area of the lobby for those who want to discuss the NEA grant on *Promoting the Integration of Universal Design into University Curricula (UDUC) ? Focus on National Dissemination. * After the first meeting we can walk over to the Harbor House (for those attending both meetings). Let me know if this works for everyone. I'll send out reminders to anyone who confirmed their attendance. BTW - my cell is 720-351-8668 for anyone who gets lost or has questions. Thanks, Howard On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Howard Kramer wrote: > Dear Colleagues: > > As per previous years, I'd like to hold a dinner/meeting at the Harbor > House (behind the Grand Hyatt) on Thursday evening (7:30 p.m.), March 2, at > CSUN (International Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference) > for dinner and for ATHEN members (or others) to provide their input on this > year's Accessing Higher Ground conference. Please let me know if you plan > to attend so I can guestimate the right size table. > > *Note about dinner/meeting time:* I know in past years there's been a > Tweet-up event in the evening on Thursday. As a result we've met a little > later - about 8:15 in the past. I don't see anything in the schedule (about > any evening events except the Tuesday keynote). Anyway, we can always move > the meeting time back a bit if there's a conflicting event. > > *NEA grant on Promoting the Integration of Universal Design into > University Curricula (UDUC) ? Focus on National Dissemination* > > I don't know how many of you remember the UDUC project from a few years > ago but a nationally directed version of the project was funded for 2017 - > 2018. I'd like to get your input on strategies for carrying out the > objective of the project - increasing the teaching of UD and accessibility > related content in design and tech classes. I.e. what's the best way to > reach faculty and what training/resources would most contribute to > achieving the goal of the project. > > I'll probably schedule this meeting at around Thursday6:30, before the > ATHEN/AHG meeting, either at the hotel cafe or at the Harbor House. Let me > know if you're interested in participating. I may schedule some other times > for this during the week. > > See you next week. > > Regards, > Howard > > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. > Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! > * And the *Technology > Access Series *. > Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your > earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > * > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Fri Feb 24 14:36:31 2017 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:00 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - slight change of time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Works for me! Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad > On Feb 24, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Howard Kramer wrote: > > Ok - so let's plan to meet at 7:15 p.m. at the Harbor House for the AHG meeting. > > We'll meet at 5:30 to 6:30 p.m. at the west side of the Hyatt by the coffee/bar area of the lobby for those who want to discuss the NEA grant on Promoting the Integration of Universal Design into University Curricula (UDUC) ? Focus on National Dissemination. > > After the first meeting we can walk over to the Harbor House (for those attending both meetings). Let me know if this works for everyone. I'll send out reminders to anyone who confirmed their attendance. > > BTW - my cell is 720-351-8668 for anyone who gets lost or has questions. > > Thanks, > Howard > > > >> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Howard Kramer wrote: >> Dear Colleagues: >> >> As per previous years, I'd like to hold a dinner/meeting at the Harbor House (behind the Grand Hyatt) on Thursday evening (7:30 p.m.), March 2, at CSUN (International Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference) for dinner and for ATHEN members (or others) to provide their input on this year's Accessing Higher Ground conference. Please let me know if you plan to attend so I can guestimate the right size table. >> >> Note about dinner/meeting time: I know in past years there's been a Tweet-up event in the evening on Thursday. As a result we've met a little later - about 8:15 in the past. I don't see anything in the schedule (about any evening events except the Tuesday keynote). Anyway, we can always move the meeting time back a bit if there's a conflicting event. >> >> NEA grant on Promoting the Integration of Universal Design into University Curricula (UDUC) ? Focus on National Dissemination >> >> I don't know how many of you remember the UDUC project from a few years ago but a nationally directed version of the project was funded for 2017 - 2018. I'd like to get your input on strategies for carrying out the objective of the project - increasing the teaching of UD and accessibility related content in design and tech classes. I.e. what's the best way to reach faculty and what training/resources would most contribute to achieving the goal of the project. >> >> I'll probably schedule this meeting at around Thursday6:30, before the ATHEN/AHG meeting, either at the hotel cafe or at the Harbor House. Let me know if you're interested in participating. I may schedule some other times for this during the week. >> >> See you next week. >> >> Regards, >> Howard >> >> >> -- >> Howard Kramer >> Conference Coordinator >> Accessing Higher Ground >> 303-492-8672 >> cell: 720-351-8668 >> >> Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. >> >> Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. >> >> Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. >> > > > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 > cell: 720-351-8668 > > Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zm290 at msstate.edu Fri Feb 24 16:15:52 2017 From: zm290 at msstate.edu (Zach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:00 2018 Subject: [Athen] Request for Career Advice Message-ID: <010601d28efc$539a7560$facf6020$@msstate.edu> Hello: I'm interested in putting my experience in Braille and aptitude in technology towards the betterment of post-secondary education accessibility. Having grown up and been educated blind from head start all the way through my bachelors, I have many years of experience using alternate media and accessible technology, but lack certification. What's more, I began postsecondary studies in Animal Science, only to realize I liked working with my disabilities office more than I liked the course work. My time as a research assistant at Mississippi State University afforded me the opportunity to take graduate level STEM courses. I believe the experiences I obtained in advocating for accomidation, outsourcing course materials for transcription, accessible lab work, procuring funding for accomidation and managing student employees will be valuable in the access media industry; but as a newbie to the field, I would greatly appreciate an orientation to the job market. For example, what other occupations are out there besides college or university alternate media specialist? I am happy to provide a resume and references upon request. Sincerely, Zachary Mason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Mon Feb 27 14:35:07 2017 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:00 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: [Ahead_tech] Assistive Technology Coordinator Position available In-Reply-To: <16B40886-417E-4595-BC9D-CAF0DB53C29E@duke.edu> References: <16B40886-417E-4595-BC9D-CAF0DB53C29E@duke.edu> Message-ID: <02fe01d29149$bfced8d0$3f6c8a70$@htctu.net> Subject: [Ahead_tech] Assistive Technology Coordinator Position available Hi everyone; I just wanted to let everyone know that my office has the position of Assistive Technology Coordinator open, and we are ready to accept applications. Please enter requisition number 401230742 in the search bar when you click on the following link: https://sjobs.brassring.com/TGnewUI/Search/Home/Home?partnerid=25017 &siteid=5171 - /%23jobDetails=1009555&loggedIn=false You must submit your information according to Duke's policy; I cannot accept resumes emailed to me. Thanks! Dot Mishoe, M.Ed. Director, Student Disability Access Office Duke University 402 Oregon St. Durham, NC 27708 919.668.1267 (office) 919.668.3977 (fax) http://access.duke.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Mon Feb 27 16:43:01 2017 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:00 2018 Subject: [Athen] LD Specialist Chabot College Message-ID: <03c001d2915b$9dc153f0$d943fbd0$@htctu.net> Please forgive cross-posts and please repost as appropriate Chabot College has re-posted the Learning Skills/Learning Disability Specialist position. The link is https://clpccd.peopleadmin.com, then select Faculty. https://clpccd.peopleadmin.com/postings/716 A brief excerpt from the announcement is copied below. Thank you! Shirley Pejman DSPS Counselor/LD Specialist * * * * Job Title Instructor, Learning Skills/Learning Disabilities Specialist Position Type Faculty Tenure Information Tenure Track Position Code 2FLA11 FTE 1 Pay Rate (or Annual Salary) $62,035 - $88,681/annual FLSA Exempt Job Location Chabot College, 25555 Hesperian Blvd., Hayward, CA 94545 Department Language Arts Job Summary The Chabot-Las Positas Community College District is seeking a Learning Skills Instructor/Learning Disabilities Specialist for Chabot College in Hayward. The position assesses and determines a student's eligibility for accommodations and services in the category of learning disability, reviews external diagnostic reports, determines eligibility and develops appropriate accommodations and methods to improve student learning for all students with disabilities, and provides specialized instruction in multidisciplinary learning. The position reports directly to the Dean of Language Arts and works closely with the Dean of Special Programs and Services and the Disabled Students Programs and Services Coordinator. Representative Duties 1. Teach developmental reading, writing, and math; 2. Use knowledge of contemporary methodologies of teaching reading, writing, and math, and apply these methodologies to teaching practice; 3. Use knowledge of the mission of California community colleges; 4. Administer and interpret standardized assessment instruments to determine students' eligibility for Disabled Students Programs and Services (DSPS); 5. Communicate effectively in both oral and written form; 6. Teach late afternoon, evening, weekend and/or off campus classes when scheduled as part of the regular teaching assignment. 7. Evidence of a sensitivity to and an understanding of the diverse academic, socioeconomic, cultural, and ethnic backgrounds of community college students, including those with physical or learning disabilities. Minimum Education and Experience Minimum Qualifications for Disabled Students Programs and Services Employees (Title 5 Regulations on Minimum Qualifications, 53414, section (d)): (1) Possession of a Master's degree, or equivalent foreign degree, in the category of disability, special education, education, psychology, educational psychology, or rehabilitation counseling; and (2) Fifteen semester units of upper division or graduate study in the area of disability, to include, but not be limited to: A. Learning disabilities; B. Developmental disabilities; C. Deaf and hearing impaired; D. Physical disabilities; or E. Adapted computer technology. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Mon Feb 27 17:46:39 2017 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:00 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: F/T DSPS counselor position in Bay Area In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001c01d29164$81b33c10$8519b430$@htctu.net> From: David Hagerty [mailto:dhagerty@dvc.edu] Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 9:46 AM To: DSP&S Directors Listserver Subject: F/T DSPS counselor position in Bay Area Hello all: Could you please share that the office of Disability Support Services at Diablo Valley College has an opening for a DSPS Counselor, full time, tenure track, starting in Fall 2017. Applications will be accepted until 3/6/17. Information can be found here: https://www.4cdcareers.net/postings/4068 From rebecca.mcmillan at duke.edu Tue Feb 28 08:49:50 2017 From: rebecca.mcmillan at duke.edu (Rebecca McMillan) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:00 2018 Subject: [Athen] Job Opportunity at Duke University! Message-ID: Calling all Assistive Technology Peeps! The Disability Management System and Student Disability Access Office at Duke University is looking for a new AT Coordinator and Case Manager. Please spread the word about this fantastic opportunity in a great office!!! For the full job description, go to https://lnkd.in/eQMMDwP and search Requisition # 401230742. Rebecca McMillan, M.Ed. Assistive Technology Coordinator/Case Manager Student Disability Access Office Duke University 402 Oregon St.; Suite 102 Durham, NC 27708 919.668.1267 (office) 919.668.3977 (fax) 7-1-1 (NC Relay) http://access.duke.edu [View my profile on LinkedIn] THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS EMAIL IS CONFIDENTIAL. ALL RECIPIENTS ARE NOTIFIED THAT IF THIS INFORMATION COMES TO YOU BY MISTAKE, ANY DISSEMINATION, USE, OR REPRODUCTION OF THE INFORMATION IS PROHIBITED. IF YOU RECEIVE THIS INFORMATION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY THE SENDER AT ONCE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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