[Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 136, Issue 1

Leyna Bencomo lbencomo at uccs.edu
Mon May 1 16:05:11 PDT 2017


Randa,

I don't think that's a dumb question at all. Maybe I'm giving a dumb answer.

One problem I see in utilizing online labs is that so many rely on vision for their primary method of teaching concepts. Faculty, with our help, need to choose methodology that doesn't require vision for learning. With a distance learner, that may be allowing for haptic and/or audio options or even allowing for an actual local lab or mailed lab kit so that the experiments can be experienced firsthand. We need to get faculty to help us convince publishers to provide us with much better products.

I think if there is no feasible way to make a course accessible, then someone in authority at the institution needs to make that determination stating that it would be a fundamental alteration to make this course work for this student. Alternatives would need to be given, whether that means the student will have to take a substitution or that they simply cannot go that route without vision or hearing or whatever as a requirement to pass the course. (Yikes!)

Like I said, I'm feeling feisty today so maybe tone it down 2 notches before reiterating. :)

Leyna



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Hi Leyna,

When you say, "out of compliance" and "inaccessible," what does that mean in terms of us offering the courses? If there isn't a feasible way to make wet lab work accessible for the sight-impaired that's safe and effective, what do we do?

Sorry to ask dumb questions.

Thanks,
Randa


> On May 1, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Leyna Bencomo <lbencomo at uccs.edu> wrote:

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> Hi Andy,

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> Maybe I'm feisty today but I'd be inclined to ask the faculty member to provide alternate equivalent accessible material If they choose to use this as their teaching tool. I try very hard to convert/remediate/accommodate but if I get material that is impossible to work with, I put it back on them and the Disability Services Director to work out another method or determine that the class is inaccessible and out of compliance. (The student will need to be involved as well in case they have ideas.) We can't work miracles. Well...maybe sometimes, but not always!

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> Leyna Bencomo

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> What are other institutions doing with inaccessible online Chemistry labs? The product I am speaking of is MacMillan's Late Nite Lab. The lab consists of a 3D interface that is inaccessible. When I contacted the publisher their response was they would pay someone to sit with the student and essentially click the screen for them. I didn't think this to be satisfactory so I wanted to see what other institutions were doing in situations like this.

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> Hello,

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> I am going to take a Discrete Math class in the Summer, and I am looking to see if my book for the class has already been brailled.

> Does anyone know or have suggestions where I might find the book:

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> Mathematical Reasoning: Writing and Proof by Ted Sundstrom

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> It is a free book that can be downloaded from:

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> http://scholarworks.gvsu.edu/books/7/

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> I have already done a lot of testing with the book with Jaws and NVDA, and I don't think that I will be able to get through the whole quarter with the accessibility that I have to work with.

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> Have you looked in the Louis database from APH www.aph.org

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> Dave

> At 10:01 PM 4/30/2017, you wrote:

>> Hello,

>>

>> I am going to take a Discrete Math class in the Summer, and I am

>> looking to see if my book for the class has already been brailled.

>> Does anyone know or have suggestions where I might find the book:

>>

>> Mathematical Reasoning: Writing and Proof by Ted Sundstrom

>>

>> It is a free book that can be downloaded from:

>>

>> http://scholarworks.gvsu.edu/books/7/

>>

>> I have already done a lot of testing with the book with Jaws and

>> NVDA, and I don't think that I will be able to get through the whole

>> quarter with the accessibility that I have to work with.

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> TJ Breitenfeldt

>>

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> I just looked. It does not appear that APH has that book.

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> Thanks for the resource though.

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> TJ Breitenfeldt

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> On 4/30/17, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:

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>> Have you looked in the Louis database from APH www.aph.org

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>> Dave

>> At 10:01 PM 4/30/2017, you wrote:

>>> Hello,

>>>

>>> I am going to take a Discrete Math class in the Summer, and I am

>>> looking to see if my book for the class has already been brailled.

>>> Does anyone know or have suggestions where I might find the book:

>>>

>>> Mathematical Reasoning: Writing and Proof by Ted Sundstrom

>>>

>>> It is a free book that can be downloaded from:

>>>

>>> http://scholarworks.gvsu.edu/books/7/

>>>

>>> I have already done a lot of testing with the book with Jaws and

>>> NVDA, and I don't think that I will be able to get through the whole

>>> quarter with the accessibility that I have to work with.

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>>

>>> TJ Breitenfeldt

>>>

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