[Athen] Accessible tables in Word

[Jess Thompson]

I'm so appreciative of this thread as I get questions about alt text for tables quite often!

My thinking has always been that it depends on the context. Christine's comment about noting extreme values, or those that may be called out as statistically significant (these items usually are marked up with bold or italicized text), is the only occasion for which I understand the value of including alt text. Otherwise it seems the context could be captured with the table caption.

I've never heard of adding bookmarks to define scope. The website with instructions Stephen provided didn't make clear how doing this defines scope. Can someone provide more clarification?

Thanks!
Jess


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JAWS and NVDA both read the alt text on tables. At least they do on my systems.


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I have read that screen readers read the content of the alt text description box in Word, but (like with alt text for images) they do not read the subject line. But what I read, may not be true.

Is there a screen reader expert out there, reading these, who can clarify?

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Hi All

There is no reason to include alt-text for tables in your workflow. As far as I know, screen readers do not read the alt-text for tables in word. What is important is to include a bookmark indicating the scope of your column and row headers. Both Jaws and NVD respect this convention.

http://www.perkinselearning.org/technology/digital-transitions/creating-accessible-table-word

I hope this helps

Stephen Alexander Marositz JD, CPACC
Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College
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Keep in mind that a screen reader will read the content of the table, right to left, top to bottom - and it'll identify the column headings - so you don't need to repeat what the screen reader is already going to communicate.

Think about how, when you see a table, the first thing you do is scan for an overall idea of what it's about and why it's there.

Also think about what you would say if you were reading the document aloud to someone. Before you read the table contents, you'd probably say a sentence or two about the general content & purpose. Depending on the table, you might also note any extreme values. For example, in a table listing populations of various areas and rates of population growth, you might initially state which had the highest or lowest populations, or the highest or lowest rates of growth. But keep it brief.

That's how I do it at this point, at least, but I'm always happy to learn better ways!

Christine Robinson | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence | Georgia Gwinnett College | Lawrenceville, GA

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Just F.Y.I., my understanding is the alt text for tables is going away. But, if you want to use it, I would not include that much detail. I would simply say how many rows and columns are in the table and what the table is supposed to present.


Robert Lee Beach
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Subject: [Athen] Accessible tables in Word

Hi all,

I am familiar with adding alt text to a table in Word to make it accessible for a screen reader. If the table is a 3 column, 3 row table, for example, do I need an alt text to describe the content in row 1, column  1, row 1 column 2, etc?

Thanks,

bryon

Bryon Kluesner, RhD
Adaptive Technology Coordinator
Disability Resource Center
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College of Health, Education & Professional Studies

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