From coco.napolis at csueastbay.edu Wed Jan 3 10:04:09 2018 From: coco.napolis at csueastbay.edu (Corazon Napolis) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Pagination issues in Alt Format Message-ID: We have been making much better use of EPUB files for students requesting alt format of textbooks. For students that prefer to use Kurzweil 3000, we've loaded EPUB files and saved to their Universal Library. Some students have complained that the EUPB pagination does not match the print book. I've communicated that content is the same while pagination may differ and that the bookmark/search features can assist with navigation. The only other alternative to having pagination match exactly would be to scan in the physical textbook which we prefer not to do if accessible versions exist. Is it common for students to rely so heavily on their print book while also receiving alt format? -- *Coco (Corazon) Napolis* Accessible Media Coordinator California State University East Bay Library Annex; LI 2550 25800 Carlos Bee Blvd Hayward, CA 94542 Tel | (510)885-3831 Fax | (510)885-7633 *"To receive much, Is to give much."* *Office Hours | **Winter 2018:* Mon-Wed, Fri: 8:30 am 6:00 pm Thu: 9:00 am - 6:00 pm *Office | Production assistants:* alternate.media@csueastbay.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Wed Jan 3 10:08:24 2018 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Pagination issues in Alt Format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you asked the publisher why the EPUB files do not have correct pagination? They should. Students may get assignments that say ?read pages 22 through 78? but if the page numbers in the EPUB aren?t correct, then they aren?t reading the appropriate material. As a student, this would be a major frustration. Also, no, it is not unusual for a student to be using BOTH inputs for reading. Many of my students are letting the computer read out loud while their eyes are on the books. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Corazon Napolis Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 11:04 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Pagination issues in Alt Format We have been making much better use of EPUB files for students requesting alt format of textbooks. For students that prefer to use Kurzweil 3000, we've loaded EPUB files and saved to their Universal Library. Some students have complained that the EUPB pagination does not match the print book. I've communicated that content is the same while pagination may differ and that the bookmark/search features can assist with navigation. The only other alternative to having pagination match exactly would be to scan in the physical textbook which we prefer not to do if accessible versions exist. Is it common for students to rely so heavily on their print book while also receiving alt format? -- Coco (Corazon) Napolis Accessible Media Coordinator California State University East Bay Library Annex; LI 2550 25800 Carlos Bee Blvd Hayward, CA 94542 Tel | (510)885-3831 Fax | (510)885-7633 "To receive much, Is to give much." Office Hours | Winter 2018: Mon-Wed, Fri: 8:30 am 6:00 pm Thu: 9:00 am - 6:00 pm Office | Production assistants: alternate.media@csueastbay.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rsthompson2 at ua.edu Wed Jan 3 10:11:46 2018 From: rsthompson2 at ua.edu (Thompson, Rachel) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Pagination issues in Alt Format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9d7be0bad7a94fabbea134bd4ef2cf9f@ua.edu> Hi, Coco. I could see this being an issue is cases where instructors refer to page numbers in class or on the syllabus. Examples: ?Read pages 24-54 by Tuesday? or ?Everyone turn to the map on page 376?. I know I?ve done that a lot of times when teaching. If that is (part of) the issue, perhaps the instructors don?t realize the challenge and could be persuaded to give reading lists or instructions differently? Happy New Year! Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility The Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama A207 Gordon Palmer Hall Box 870248 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 205-348-0216 rsthompson2@ua.edu | http://accessibility.ua.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Corazon Napolis Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 12:04 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Pagination issues in Alt Format We have been making much better use of EPUB files for students requesting alt format of textbooks. For students that prefer to use Kurzweil 3000, we've loaded EPUB files and saved to their Universal Library. Some students have complained that the EUPB pagination does not match the print book. I've communicated that content is the same while pagination may differ and that the bookmark/search features can assist with navigation. The only other alternative to having pagination match exactly would be to scan in the physical textbook which we prefer not to do if accessible versions exist. Is it common for students to rely so heavily on their print book while also receiving alt format? -- Coco (Corazon) Napolis Accessible Media Coordinator California State University East Bay Library Annex; LI 2550 25800 Carlos Bee Blvd Hayward, CA 94542 Tel | (510)885-3831 Fax | (510)885-7633 "To receive much, Is to give much." Office Hours | Winter 2018: Mon-Wed, Fri: 8:30 am 6:00 pm Thu: 9:00 am - 6:00 pm Office | Production assistants: alternate.media@csueastbay.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Jan 3 10:12:18 2018 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Pagination issues in Alt Format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E238163@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> The issue with page numbers being accurate is because many instructors indicate read pages NN-NN. If the accessible copy has different page numbers, then the student doesn?t read the correct material. Also, if referencing the reading, page numbers are important. And lastly, even if the instructor says, ?read chapter 7.? And the table of contents says chapter 7 starts on page 93, then the accessible copy needs to have chapter 7 start on page 93 as well to make it easier to find. Yes, markup navigation is possible, but not always the best way to find the correct part of the book. So, the issue really isn?t having the accessible and print match for the student to follow as it is having them match for other reasons. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Corazon Napolis Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 12:04 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Pagination issues in Alt Format We have been making much better use of EPUB files for students requesting alt format of textbooks. For students that prefer to use Kurzweil 3000, we've loaded EPUB files and saved to their Universal Library. Some students have complained that the EUPB pagination does not match the print book. I've communicated that content is the same while pagination may differ and that the bookmark/search features can assist with navigation. The only other alternative to having pagination match exactly would be to scan in the physical textbook which we prefer not to do if accessible versions exist. Is it common for students to rely so heavily on their print book while also receiving alt format? -- Coco (Corazon) Napolis Accessible Media Coordinator California State University East Bay Library Annex; LI 2550 25800 Carlos Bee Blvd Hayward, CA 94542 Tel | (510)885-3831 Fax | (510)885-7633 "To receive much, Is to give much." Office Hours | Winter 2018: Mon-Wed, Fri: 8:30 am 6:00 pm Thu: 9:00 am - 6:00 pm Office | Production assistants: alternate.media@csueastbay.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Wed Jan 3 11:14:54 2018 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (Chagnon | PubCom) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Pagination issues in Alt Format In-Reply-To: <9d7be0bad7a94fabbea134bd4ef2cf9f@ua.edu> References: <9d7be0bad7a94fabbea134bd4ef2cf9f@ua.edu> Message-ID: <00ae01d384c7$23650e20$6a2f2a60$@pubcom.com> In reading this thread, I think there?s a basic misunderstanding about the nature of EPUBs. The file format was specifically designed to not have pages at all. Rather, it?s one long scroll of the entire document. What we see are screenfuls, not pages. Depending upon the reader device (Kobo, kindle, iPad, computer), its orientation (portrait/vertical vs. landscape/horizontal), and the user?s settings (larger or smaller text sizes), different amounts of text will be visible in a screenful. The whole enchilada is designed to flex and respond to the device and user settings. It?s in constant flux, changing as the user changes the settings. The problem your students are having is that the original document was most likely designed for print and then converted into an EPUB. For example, in the original printed layout, Table 9 is permanently nailed down to page 15 and there could be cross-reference text that states ?See Table 9 on page 15?. Here are the possible results from this layout: 1. If it is printed, everything is fine for those who can read and operate printed books. 2. If the layout is converted to an accessible PDF, the cross-reference text ?See Table 9 on page 15? should have an accessible hyperlink and the PDF becomes accessible to nearly all students. Note: this requires that either the source layout was created correctly with the accessible hyperlink, or the accessible hyperlink was added after the PDF was made. 3. If it is converted to EPUB from the original layout, it?s pretty much the same as with #2 PDF above. When done correctly, it works. When it isn?t done correctly, it doesn?t work. 4. If a scan of the printed book is made (with Kurtzweil or any other technology) and converted to an EPUB, the hyperlink isn?t recognized at all by the converter, so the student gets the wording of the cross reference ?See Table 9 on page 15? but not the hyperlink. And because the student?s EPUB doesn?t have a page 15 (remember, all EPUBs are page less), then their only resort is to search for ?Table 9? and hope for the best. Searching or navigating for page 15 is useless because there is no page 15 in an EPUB. Solutions: 1. When possible, create all digital versions of books and educational materials from their source application (Word, PowerPoint, Adobe InDesign, etc.). Create them with accessibility features built in from the start, such as the accessible hyperlinks on cross references. The accessibility should then be there in the HTML, PDF, or EPUB digital version that?s exported from the original source document. 2. If you?re scanning a printed document and converting it to PDF or EPUB, you?ll need to manually add the accessible hyperlinks to each cross reference. I don?t know of any software that can do this for you. 3. It?s a new year so let?s make a resolution to resolve this horrible problem in 2018. Require that all textbook publishers, authors, professors, and other content creators provide your school with a fully accessible digital version, along with the printed hardcopy. Adding accessibility to an already made PDF, EPUB or any other technology is long, difficult, and expensive, and in this scenario the final file still is not as useful to all users as it should be. Just my 2 cents? worth! --Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon www.PubCom.com | Technologists for Accessible Design and Publishing print ? digital ? web ? documents ? pdfs ? epubs consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon is a US delegate (ANSI) to the ISO for PDF and PDF/UA standards From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Rachel Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 12:12 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Pagination issues in Alt Format Hi, Coco. I could see this being an issue is cases where instructors refer to page numbers in class or on the syllabus. Examples: ?Read pages 24-54 by Tuesday? or ?Everyone turn to the map on page 376?. I know I?ve done that a lot of times when teaching. If that is (part of) the issue, perhaps the instructors don?t realize the challenge and could be persuaded to give reading lists or instructions differently? Happy New Year! Rachel Dr. Rachel S. Thompson Director, Emerging Technology and Accessibility The Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama A207 Gordon Palmer Hall Box 870248 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 205-348-0216 rsthompson2@ua.edu | http://accessibility.ua.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Corazon Napolis Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 12:04 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Pagination issues in Alt Format We have been making much better use of EPUB files for students requesting alt format of textbooks. For students that prefer to use Kurzweil 3000, we've loaded EPUB files and saved to their Universal Library. Some students have complained that the EUPB pagination does not match the print book. I've communicated that content is the same while pagination may differ and that the bookmark/search features can assist with navigation. The only other alternative to having pagination match exactly would be to scan in the physical textbook which we prefer not to do if accessible versions exist. Is it common for students to rely so heavily on their print book while also receiving alt format? -- Coco (Corazon) Napolis Accessible Media Coordinator California State University East Bay Library Annex; LI 2550 25800 Carlos Bee Blvd Hayward, CA 94542 Tel | (510)885-3831 Fax | (510)885-7633 "To receive much, Is to give much." Office Hours | Winter 2018: Mon-Wed, Fri: 8:30 am 6:00 pm Thu: 9:00 am - 6:00 pm Office | Production assistants: alternate.media@csueastbay.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Wed Jan 3 12:12:09 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Pagination issues in Alt Format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I've never gotten any complaints about this but I do inform the students that the pagination may not always match. If I request a PDF version of an alternative text from the publisher, either through ATN or the publisher directly, do the pages usually match up with the text? On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Susan Kelmer wrote: > Have you asked the publisher why the EPUB files do not have correct > pagination? They should. Students may get assignments that say ?read > pages 22 through 78? but if the page numbers in the EPUB aren?t correct, > then they aren?t reading the appropriate material. As a student, this > would be a major frustration. > > > > Also, no, it is not unusual for a student to be using BOTH inputs for > reading. Many of my students are letting the computer read out loud while > their eyes are on the books. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836 <(303)%20735-4836>* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Corazon Napolis > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 03, 2018 11:04 AM > *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Subject:* [Athen] Pagination issues in Alt Format > > > > We have been making much better use of EPUB files for students requesting > alt format of textbooks. For students that prefer to use Kurzweil 3000, > we've loaded EPUB files and saved to their Universal Library. Some students > have complained that the EUPB pagination does not match the print book. > I've communicated that content is the same while pagination may differ and > that the bookmark/search features can assist with navigation. The only > other alternative to having pagination match exactly would be to scan in > the physical textbook which we prefer not to do if accessible versions > exist. > > > > Is it common for students to rely so heavily on their print book while > also receiving alt format? > > -- > > > > *Coco (Corazon) Napolis* > > Accessible Media Coordinator > > California State University East Bay > > Library Annex; LI 2550 > > 25800 Carlos Bee Blvd > Hayward, CA 94542 > Tel | (510)885-3831 <(510)%20885-3831> > > Fax | (510)885-7633 <(510)%20885-7633> > > > > *"To receive much, Is to give much."* > > > > *Office Hours | Winter 2018:* > > Mon-Wed, Fri: 8:30 am 6:00 pm > > Thu: 9:00 am - 6:00 pm > > *Office | Production assistants:* alternate.media@csueastbay.edu > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fosters at sou.edu Wed Jan 3 15:27:40 2018 From: fosters at sou.edu (Shawn Foster) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Google Forms Accessibility Message-ID: Since Google is always a moving target for accessibility... What's the current state of accessibility of Google Forms? Google results are...mixed. Thanks, all, Shawn *Shawn Foster* Disability Resources Coordinator Southern Oregon University | 1250 Siskiyou Blvd | Ashland OR 97520 541-552-6213, ext.2 *Winter break hours: 8-4:30, M-F. SOU will be closed on Dec. 25 and Jan. 1.* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From justinr at disability.tamu.edu Wed Jan 3 09:08:05 2018 From: justinr at disability.tamu.edu (Justin Romack) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Solutions to help student with visual impairment access content on smart board / white board Message-ID: <83c93fee8b524836b170599a54032e4e@exch-2p-mbx-w4.ads.tamu.edu> Howdy! We're working with a biochemistry student with a visual impairment who is having difficulty seeing content written on a smart board or white board at the front of the classroom. I'm familiar with several options like a monocular, secondary external display to "mirror" content, portable CCTV connected to student's laptop, etc etc. This student will be moving between several classrooms and will likely need a solution that works across a variety of locations / settings. I'm curious if anyone else has solved a similar problem - and what solutions you've found helpful. This student mentions portability as a concern and also seems hesitant to use anything that draws attention to their visual impairment (which is an entirely different conversation.) Thanks in advance for any insight you can offer! --- Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Services | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Thu Jan 4 05:36:52 2018 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Solutions to help student with visual impairment access content on smart board / white board In-Reply-To: <83c93fee8b524836b170599a54032e4e@exch-2p-mbx-w4.ads.tamu.edu> References: <83c93fee8b524836b170599a54032e4e@exch-2p-mbx-w4.ads.tamu.edu> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E23827F@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> If the student has a tablet or even a smart phone, you might try something like Supervision Plus. I've known a few students who have used this type of system to look at items at a distance, including white/smart boards. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Justin Romack Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 11:08 AM Subject: [Athen] Solutions to help student with visual impairment access content on smart board / white board Howdy! We're working with a biochemistry student with a visual impairment who is having difficulty seeing content written on a smart board or white board at the front of the classroom. I'm familiar with several options like a monocular, secondary external display to "mirror" content, portable CCTV connected to student's laptop, etc etc. This student will be moving between several classrooms and will likely need a solution that works across a variety of locations / settings. I'm curious if anyone else has solved a similar problem - and what solutions you've found helpful. This student mentions portability as a concern and also seems hesitant to use anything that draws attention to their visual impairment (which is an entirely different conversation.) Thanks in advance for any insight you can offer! --- Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Services | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Thu Jan 4 05:38:36 2018 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Pagination issues in Alt Format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E23828F@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> As far as I can remember, the PDF pages are identical to the printed version of the book. If I?ve come across one that didn?t match, I can?t recall it. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 2:12 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Pagination issues in Alt Format Hello, I've never gotten any complaints about this but I do inform the students that the pagination may not always match. If I request a PDF version of an alternative text from the publisher, either through ATN or the publisher directly, do the pages usually match up with the text? On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: Have you asked the publisher why the EPUB files do not have correct pagination? They should. Students may get assignments that say ?read pages 22 through 78? but if the page numbers in the EPUB aren?t correct, then they aren?t reading the appropriate material. As a student, this would be a major frustration. Also, no, it is not unusual for a student to be using BOTH inputs for reading. Many of my students are letting the computer read out loud while their eyes are on the books. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Corazon Napolis Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 11:04 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Pagination issues in Alt Format We have been making much better use of EPUB files for students requesting alt format of textbooks. For students that prefer to use Kurzweil 3000, we've loaded EPUB files and saved to their Universal Library. Some students have complained that the EUPB pagination does not match the print book. I've communicated that content is the same while pagination may differ and that the bookmark/search features can assist with navigation. The only other alternative to having pagination match exactly would be to scan in the physical textbook which we prefer not to do if accessible versions exist. Is it common for students to rely so heavily on their print book while also receiving alt format? -- Coco (Corazon) Napolis Accessible Media Coordinator California State University East Bay Library Annex; LI 2550 25800 Carlos Bee Blvd Hayward, CA 94542 Tel | (510)885-3831 Fax | (510)885-7633 "To receive much, Is to give much." 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URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Thu Jan 4 06:11:00 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Google Forms Accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, it's crazy; I can now finally start using Chrome as my main browser since a few major issues seem to have gotten fixed. I expect things to break at any time, though. (I am a screen reader user). In regards to Forms, I am able to create forms, add controls, manage the data, etc. It definitely takes some exploration and familiarization with where all of the controls are, but I've used it for work-related tasks many times over the past few years. On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:27 PM, Shawn Foster wrote: > Since Google is always a moving target for accessibility... What's the > current state of accessibility of Google Forms? Google results are...mixed. > Thanks, all, > Shawn > > *Shawn Foster* > > Disability Resources Coordinator > > Southern Oregon University | 1250 Siskiyou Blvd | Ashland OR 97520 > 541-552-6213, ext.2 <(541)%20552-6213> > > > *Winter break hours: 8-4:30, M-F. SOU will be closed on Dec. 25 and Jan. > 1.* > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raford3 at hfcc.edu Thu Jan 4 06:14:00 2018 From: raford3 at hfcc.edu (Rachel Ford) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] EAB Navigate References: <5A4E36A80200008C0002628D@hfcc.edu> Message-ID: <5A4E36A80200008C0002628D@hfcc.edu> Good morning, My institution is looking to implement EAB Navigate, and I'm wondering if others have worked with the website or company? I'd be interested in any information regarding their accessibility. Thank you! Rachel Ford Web Accessibility Manager 5101 Evergreen Road Dearborn, Michigan 48128 313-845-9668 (Office) raford3@hfcc.edu www.hfcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frederick.273 at osu.edu Thu Jan 4 06:22:45 2018 From: frederick.273 at osu.edu (Frederick, Kathryn A.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Google Forms Accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I too have successfully used Google Forms for work and volunteer projects. I personally prefer using the platform on my Mac with Safari and VoiceOver, but know things can be accomplished on the Windows side with a screen reader too. If you?d like specific help, feel free to contact me off-list, (Frederick.273@osu.edu). I hope this helps and best of luck. Katie Frederick, Digital Accessibility Specialist, The Ohio State University From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 9:11 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Google Forms Accessibility Yeah, it's crazy; I can now finally start using Chrome as my main browser since a few major issues seem to have gotten fixed. I expect things to break at any time, though. (I am a screen reader user). In regards to Forms, I am able to create forms, add controls, manage the data, etc. It definitely takes some exploration and familiarization with where all of the controls are, but I've used it for work-related tasks many times over the past few years. On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:27 PM, Shawn Foster > wrote: Since Google is always a moving target for accessibility... What's the current state of accessibility of Google Forms? Google results are...mixed. Thanks, all, Shawn Shawn Foster Disability Resources Coordinator Southern Oregon University | 1250 Siskiyou Blvd | Ashland OR 97520 541-552-6213, ext.2 [https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B1lLvtD6xSEiY1N6V0JrN19lOHc&revid=0B1lLvtD6xSEidUp6ZlZ1TkVkSklDYVJWVWVWdUFsSEt1TUo0PQ] Winter break hours: 8-4:30, M-F. SOU will be closed on Dec. 25 and Jan. 1. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Thu Jan 4 09:26:25 2018 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Math geeks...need your help Message-ID: What is this symbol (the line plus arrow)? I cannot find it in mathtype... [cid:image001.png@01D38546.783C0280] Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 2563 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From jkb1200s at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 09:32:52 2018 From: jkb1200s at gmail.com (julie balassa) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Math geeks...need your help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <624F26ED-D361-40EB-9C4A-472FE2AB999B@gmail.com> I believe this is it: The ? notation means that if the function on the left hand side of the notation is true, then so is the function on the right hand side of the notation. jkb Julie K. Balassa, MA White Feather Interpreting, LLC RID CI and CT, Federal and State Court Certified 407-484-0429 jkb1200s@gmail.com whitefeatherinterpreting@gmail.com > On Jan 4, 2018, at 12:26 PM, Susan Kelmer wrote: > > What is this symbol (the line plus arrow)? I cannot find it in mathtype? > > > > Susan Kelmer > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > Disability Services > University of Colorado Boulder > 303-735-4836 > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adietrich at cornell.edu Thu Jan 4 10:14:44 2018 From: adietrich at cornell.edu (Andrea L. Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Math geeks...need your help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know what it's called, but you can get it in Word by adding the letter you need, then selecting it, choosing accent and overbar, then selecting it AGAIN and choosing accent and right-arrow. [cid:image001.png@01D3855D.FB91B780] Hope that helps! -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 12:26 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network ; athes@lists.colorado.edu Subject: [Athen] Math geeks...need your help What is this symbol (the line plus arrow)? I cannot find it in mathtype... [cid:image003.png@01D3855D.FB8ED150] Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 2563 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 320 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From bossley.5 at osu.edu Thu Jan 4 12:07:27 2018 From: bossley.5 at osu.edu (Bossley, Peter A.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Google Forms Accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006B5C8325EEDA44A1A7D3955F5431CDD3305393@CIO-KRC-D1MBX04.osuad.osu.edu> Shawn, There was an issue a few months ago where the entire form was wrapped in a role=application which was presenting serious problems for screen reader users. Last I saw a Google Form this had been resolved. Assuming the author did a good job with labels and groupings, Google forms should be fine at this point. Best, [The Ohio State University] Peter Bossley Director, Digital Accessibility Center ADA Coordinator's Office - Office of University Compliance and Integrity Student Life Disability Services 098 Baker Hall, 113 W. 12th Ave, Columbus, OH 43210 614-688-3028 Office bossley.5@osu.edu accessibility.osu.edu ________________________________ From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Shawn Foster Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 6:28 PM To: Network', 'Access Technologists in Higher Education Subject: [Athen] Google Forms Accessibility Since Google is always a moving target for accessibility... What's the current state of accessibility of Google Forms? Google results are...mixed. Thanks, all, Shawn Shawn Foster Disability Resources Coordinator Southern Oregon University | 1250 Siskiyou Blvd | Ashland OR 97520 541-552-6213, ext.2 [Image removed by sender.] Winter break hours: 8-4:30, M-F. SOU will be closed on Dec. 25 and Jan. 1. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 3605 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It isn't inexpensive though. It's ends up being another version of mirroring, but using the student's laptop (including magnification software they have installed) instead of an additional monitor. If you'd like to get more details on the setup, feel free to send some availability for next week offline and I'm happy to chat with you by phone or video. Thanks and hope that everyone is managing the cold temps, snow, and prep for the spring semester well, Todd Schwanke UW-Madison From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Justin Romack Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 11:08 AM Subject: [Athen] Solutions to help student with visual impairment access content on smart board / white board Howdy! We're working with a biochemistry student with a visual impairment who is having difficulty seeing content written on a smart board or white board at the front of the classroom. I'm familiar with several options like a monocular, secondary external display to "mirror" content, portable CCTV connected to student's laptop, etc etc. This student will be moving between several classrooms and will likely need a solution that works across a variety of locations / settings. I'm curious if anyone else has solved a similar problem - and what solutions you've found helpful. This student mentions portability as a concern and also seems hesitant to use anything that draws attention to their visual impairment (which is an entirely different conversation.) Thanks in advance for any insight you can offer! --- Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Services | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fosters at sou.edu Thu Jan 4 15:38:34 2018 From: fosters at sou.edu (Shawn Foster) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Google Forms Accessibility In-Reply-To: <006B5C8325EEDA44A1A7D3955F5431CDD3305393@CIO-KRC-D1MBX04.osuad.osu.edu> References: <006B5C8325EEDA44A1A7D3955F5431CDD3305393@CIO-KRC-D1MBX04.osuad.osu.edu> Message-ID: Thanks to all who responded; that is hugely helpful. My Registrar's office is going to do a dance in the streets, I think. sf *Shawn Foster* Disability Resources Coordinator Southern Oregon University | 1250 Siskiyou Blvd | Ashland OR 97520 541-552-6213, ext.2 *Winter break hours: 8-4:30, M-F. SOU will be closed on Dec. 25 and Jan. 1.* On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Bossley, Peter A. wrote: > Shawn, > > There was an issue a few months ago where the entire form was wrapped in a > role=application which was presenting serious problems for screen reader > users. Last I saw a Google Form this had been resolved. > > Assuming the author did a good job with labels and groupings, Google forms > should be fine at this point. > > Best, > > > > [image: The Ohio State University] > *Peter Bossley* > Director, Digital Accessibility Center > ADA Coordinator's Office - Office of University Compliance and Integrity > Student Life Disability Services > 098 Baker Hall, 113 W. 12th Ave, Columbus, OH 43210 > 614-688-3028 <(614)%20688-3028> Office > bossley.5@osu.edu accessibility.osu.edu > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Shawn Foster > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 3, 2018 6:28 PM > *To:* Network', 'Access Technologists in Higher Education < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Google Forms Accessibility > > > > Since Google is always a moving target for accessibility... What's the > current state of accessibility of Google Forms? Google results are...mixed. > > Thanks, all, > > Shawn > > *Shawn Foster* > > Disability Resources Coordinator > > Southern Oregon University | 1250 Siskiyou Blvd | Ashland OR 97520 > 541-552-6213, ext.2 <(541)%20552-6213> > > [image: Image removed by sender.] > > *Winter break hours: 8-4:30, M-F. SOU will be closed on Dec. 25 and Jan. > 1.* > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 444 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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LD Specialists provide specialized disability-related counseling for students; liaison with on-campus and off-campus departments and programs to coordinate services and to explain services for students served by CAE; lead and/or co-facilitate support groups and instruct small group workshops in learning strategies, disability management and service provision; provide disability awareness presentations for campus faculty, staff and students. Prepare written program materials, and assist, when necessary, in other CAE services and functions. Please let me know if you have any questions about the position! Best, Norma -- ? Norma Kehdi, PsyD Interim Coordinator, Learning Disabilities Program UCLA Center for Accessible Education 310-206-6386 (Direct Line) 310-825-1501 (CAE line) http://www.cae.ucla.edu/? ** Requisition Number: 27076 Job Title: LEARNING SKILLS COUNSELOR, PRINCIPAL Working Title: Disabilities Specialist Salary: $4,842 - $9,591 monthly Job Type: Contract Department Name: 5105-CENTER FOR ACCESSIBLE EDUCATION (CAE) Department Website URL: www.cae.ucla.edu Job Summary Statement: Under direction of the Coordinator of the Program for the Center for Accessible Education, assist in all elements of service delivery and program development for students served in the Learning Disabilities Program and for other students with disabilities served by CAE. Major responsibilities include: Interpret psycho-educational reports to verify disability according to University and State guidelines and to determine appropriate accommodations and support. Administer supplemental testing instruments, if necessary, to comprehensively counsel and assess needs of students with various disabilities; administer screening instruments to UCLA students who suspect that they may have a disability and make referrals to on-campus and off-campus resources based on screening results; provide specialized disability-related counseling for students; liaison with on-campus and off-campus departments and programs to coordinate services and to explain services for students served by CAE; lead and/or co-facilitate support groups and instruct small group workshops in learning strategies, disability management and service provision; provide disability awareness presentations for campus faculty, staff and students. Prepare written program materials, and assist, when necessary, in other CAE services and functions. This is a contract appointed position with possibility of renewal. 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LEMOORE, CA 93245 559-925-3338 | email@whccd.edu | fax 559-925-3878 Associate Dean of Categorical Programs Salary $79,997.00 - $158,388.00 Annually Location WHC Lemoore, CA Job Type Full-Time Department Student Services Job Number 1178920 Closing 1/12/2018 12:01 AM Pacific -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anitase at microsoft.com Thu Jan 4 18:23:18 2018 From: anitase at microsoft.com (Anita Mortaloni) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Agenda for January 10 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting Message-ID: Hi ATHEN, Sharing out the agenda for the upcoming ATHEN meeting next Wednesday 1/10 at 9am. In addition you will find details on the Ribbon Experience that we would like feedback on this month. If you have additional items that you would like to discuss, send them prior to the meeting to add them to the agenda. Talk to you all next week! Anita Mortaloni Agenda for 01/10 ATHEN-Microsoft Meeting * Summary of last month's scenarios * Comments feature in WXP across mobile, Win32, Mac & web'. Contact: Kathleen Cachel * Mac Word scenarios. Contact: Cathy Harley * Feedback request * Ribbon Experience. Contact: June Lee * Open Discussions * Bug Updates * Windows 10 issues * Future topics? Keyboard Interactions and Assistive Technology Announcements in the Ribbon for Office Online Contact: June Lee (junele@microsoft.com) Background Office Online is working on a simpler ribbon to reduce the perception of complexity that our product currently has. We are leveraging this opportunity to revisit our earlier decisions around keyboard (KB) interactions and assistive technology (AT) announcements to improve our products' experience for all users. One challenge we face is that as an Office product hosted online, we sit at the intersection of several and sometimes different standards - Office, the web, and other online Microsoft products. The questions this week focus on core controls in the ribbon. We'd like to converge on these interaction patterns before moving on to navigating to/from/within the ribbon. Thank you in advanced for your feedback and help! Questions about core controls in the ribbon Below are questions about what you would expect from specific core controls in the ribbon based on their AT announcement. Questions are number as Q1, Q2, etc. and bolded. Note: Not all core controls or all keyboard interactions are included for brevity. 1. Flyout anchor - A button that drops a menu. Q1. Do you expect to be able to drop a menu from a control with the AT announcement "