[Athen] Converting Math Books

Cassandra Tex clt3 at humboldt.edu
Wed Jan 24 16:33:08 PST 2018

Hi Joseph,

Thanks for your insights. I was thinking of EquatIO primarily from the
faculty or alternate media specialist’s perspective.

Perhaps I’m missing something, but I was thinking that if EquatIO was
used, MathType would not be needed. I was thinking that a possible
workflow to create DOCX files using EquatIO for Windows could be:

1. Import math document from ABBYY into MS Word

2. Use EquatIO to input the math equations one-by-one. EquatIO has
several ways one can enter math equations: using TeX, handwriting,
prediction, or voice

3. Read with Read&Write toolbar

Am I missing something with EquatIO??

Agreed, Central Access Reader’s ability to read math is great, but I think
it would so much quicker to write an equation in EquatIO than using
MathType. Trying to find a way to leverage the different input methods of

Just a thought…


*From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On
Behalf Of *Joseph Polizzotto
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2018 4:17 PM
*To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <
athen-list at u.washington.edu>
*Subject:* Re: [Athen] Converting Math Books

Hi Cassandra:

I am familiar with EquatIO and it is indeed a move in the right direction.

Here’s my two cents:

For a student with a learning disability like dycalculia, EquatIO offers a
rich, multisensory environment that enhances their learning experience.
Inputting math via voice and then hearing it read back can be very helpful
for retaining math concepts and for learning how to “speak math”. Hearing
the math problem read out loud in line with the surrounding text can
contextualize the math better as well.

I like the emphasis on TeX math because it offers another method for
students with visual impairments to author math documents and share them
with their instructors (if they know TeX!).

The TeX integration can also be leveraged by the alternate media specialist
to convert short math documents into an accessible format for LD students.
Here’s a possible workflow to create DOCX files using EquatIO for Windows:

1. Import Math document from ABBYY into MS Word

2. Create MathType equations

3. Use Toggle TeX button in MathType to convert MathType equations to
TeX math

4. Insert TeX equations (one-by-one?) into EquatIO editor to convert

5. Read with R&W toolbar

If you are using EquatIO for Google Docs, I would add an extra step (after
3) of uploading the Word file into Google Docs.

I could think of other workflows if you have LaTeX files or Infty Reader,
because it strikes me that this workflow is too time-consuming. Since
EquatIO’s emphasis is on reading TeX math, I would rather use Infty Reader
and output to LaTex, convert the LaTeX file to DOCX, and then work on
converting the LaTeX equations one by one with EquatIO for Windows.

I’d also like to see a TeX batch converter integration with EquatIO for
Windows to eliminate the need to convert one equation at a time. Wouldn’t
that be nice?

On that note, what happens if you try using the the Auto-LaTex Equations
Chrome extension to convert all your LaTeX equations in a Google Doc into
pictures, and then try reading the Doc with Read and Write Toolbar?

For now, anyway, I agree with Steve that Central Access Reader + DOCX +
MathType or OMML equations is the EASY button.


*From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu
<athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Cassandra
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 24, 2018 12:00 PM
*To:* athen-list at u.washington.edu
*Subject:* Re: [Athen] Converting Math Books

*From:* Cassandra Tex [mailto:clt3 at humboldt.edu <clt3 at humboldt.edu>]
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 23, 2018 3:04 PM
*To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <
athen-list at u.washington.edu>
*Subject:* RE: [Athen] Converting Math Books

Has anybody used the (newish) Texthelp product, EquatIO? I participated in
a webinar last week, and it looks promising. It’s free for educators, and
works with Windows, Mac, and Google Docs and Sheets, and the resulting
documents are readable by Read&Write. As best as I can tell, when you put
an equation into a document, the math goes in as an image with the alt text
of the image being how one would speak the math.

With EquatIO, you can enter the math in several different ways. For more
information: https://www.texthelp.com/en-us/products/equatio/

I’m still trying to wrap my head around a workflow. Just wondering if this
will make math easier for us in the future?

By the way, I’m having trouble with EquatIO for Windows…the technical
support from Texthelp told me my computer didn’t meet the specs that
EquatIO expects to have (which I found odd since I thought I had a pretty
high-end machine), but EquatIO seems to be working well in Google Docs.

Cassandra Tex

Assistive Technology Specialist

Humboldt State University

*From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu
<athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Noble,Stephen
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 23, 2018 1:30 PM
*To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
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*Subject:* Re: [Athen] Converting Math Books

Yes...but it isn't so easy. To get Read&Write to read math expressions in a
textbook, you'll need to...

1) Create the book so that the end product is HTML where all the math
expressions are created as MathML (e.g., use MathType's "publish mathpage"

2) Load the book in IE11 on a windows PC which has MathPlayer installed

3) Use the "Read the web" setting in R&W, but be sure to turn off the
setting to automatically read the next block of text

You may find it simpler to create the textbook as a Word doc (no need to
export to HTLM) where the math expressions are either MathType expressions
or native Word OMML expressions (either is fine for consumption), and then
have the student use the free Central Access Reader to read the Word doc on
their PC. While it doesn't have all the nice features of R&W, it
will probably be simpler in the long run.

Hope that helps,

--Steve Noble
steve.noble at louisville.edu


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behalf of Robert Spangler <rspangler1 at udayton.edu>
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 23, 2018 4:09 PM
*To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network
*Subject:* [Athen] Converting Math Books

Hello all:

Currently we have a textbook that we are editing and splitting into
chapters. It is an engineering book with many mathematical symbols

Our student workers use Abbyy FineReader for editing the books. Generally,
they will convert text by selecting it and choosing text, or selecting it
and choosing picture. It is easier to choose picture in a paragraph that
contains a lot of symbols; otherwise, they would have to go through and
convert all of the symbols as pictures. This, however, results in the
paragraph not being readable by TTS.

What do folks do for converting math and engineering books? Our students
use Read and Write for reading their books. I think, since most of them
have reading disabilities, they primarily use TTS for reading the text but
actually look at the math symbols when working out the problems. Is what
we are doing now sufficient? Is there actually a way to make Read and
Write read out the mathematical symbols? I understand that if this book
were being prepared for a blind person such as myself a lot more work would
be involved. We have not had to do this yet, but when we do I'm sure I'll
be depending a lot on the expertise of people on this list.

Thanks so much!



Robert Spangler
Disability Services Technical Support Specialist
rspangler1 at udayton.edu
Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023
Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
Phone: 937-229-2066

Fax: 937-229-3270

Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing)

Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning
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