[Athen] comic book conversions?

[Heidi Scher]

Thanks, Debbie! Good to know that resource exists.

Happy Friday!

Heidi

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Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC
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Center for Educational Access
University of Arkansas
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On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Debbie Krahmer <dkrahmer at colgate.edu>
wrote:


> I've been looking into possibly having some of my comics converted to text

> by an individual who does them on commission. Auden Granger

> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dzc-zGEpSdO4eP0VD2-7nd4nbFiI9J9iW-76MSqZ-Dk/edit?usp=sharing>

> does transcriptions and image descriptions of comics, either in a page-by-page

> format

> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wDlVvJyqkr_IPm0C_SjtJytd1AauE5DKU-RnYoWaZmo/edit?usp=sharing>

> or in a more narrative form

> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ISTqjKZv5j4csIegU-HJX6_pCaI3eRxRTM8RjwMxW6Y/edit?usp=sharing>.

> I don't know if she can do a turn-around time period necessary for a

> course, but it wouldn't hurt to contact her, or ask the students if this

> type of format would be more accessible for them than some of the other

> options out there.

>

> Thanks,

> Debbie K.

>

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> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:56 PM, Heidi Scher <hascherdss at gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> Thank you all for your great suggestions! I was hoping there would be a

>> "simple" way to get these converted.  Unfortunately, the C-Pen has trouble

>> recognizing some of the fonts. (insert frown emoji). And none of our

>> conversion specialists are familiar with InDesign. Sigh.... Joseph, I

>> totally agree with your rant and can echo it as well. Good luck convincing

>> admin! Please keep us posted on how that conversation goes.

>>

>> Thank you again, one and all! I greatly appreciate your thoughts and

>> feedback.

>>

>> KInd regards,

>> Heidi

>>

>>

>>

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>> Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC

>> Associate Director

>> Center for Educational Access

>> University of Arkansas

>> ARKU 209

>> Fayetteville, AR 72701

>> 479.575.3104 <(479)%20575-3104>

>> 479.575.7445 <(479)%20575-7445> fax

>> 479.575.3646 <(479)%20575-3646> tdd

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>>

>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 5:56 PM, Gaeir Dietrich <gdietrich at htctu.net>

>> wrote:

>>

>>> Don’t forget Learning Ally. They have Maus I and Maus II.

>>>

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>>>

>>> *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]

>>> *On Behalf Of *Nast, Joseph

>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 23, 2018 1:15 PM

>>> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network

>>> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] comic book conversions?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Thanks Joseph for this thorough response!

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Heidi, I think there might be something in the water lol. For some

>>> reason, our ENGL 1301 textbooks are mostly graphic novels this semester

>>> too. MAUS I, MAUS  II, Ms. Marvel: No Normal, Understanding Comics. (?).

>>> None of which are available through AccessText (sigh). I suppose we’re

>>> fortunate so far… we only need to make these accessible to students with

>>> print disabilities (audio) at the moment. I’d be sunk if we had a student

>>> who was functionally blind. I’m dubious even raised tactiles would be

>>> effective at making a graphic novel equally accessible in that

>>> circumstance. (Well, not the tactiles I’d have to create in less than a

>>> week anyway.)

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> <rant on> Look, I get it – the department is trying to make the

>>> instruction “edgy” or “relevant”. And I’m all for academic freedom. But as

>>> far as I know, academic freedom does not override students’ rights to

>>> equitable access. <rant off>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Clearly, graphic novels are inherently inaccessible. Now I’m wondering

>>> how I can gently but firmly drive that point home with administration.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> *Joseph M. Nast, *ATAC

>>>

>>> Assistive Technology Specialist

>>>

>>> Lone Star College Cy Fair, Disability Services

>>>

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>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu

>>> <athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Joseph

>>> Polizzotto

>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 22, 2018 8:24 PM

>>> *To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <

>>> athen-list at u.washington.edu>

>>> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] comic book conversions?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I second the C-Pen Reader suggestion.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> In addition, I have one other  solution I have used and another

>>> experimental workflow I would explore (only if you are familiar with

>>> InDesign and Sigil).

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> When working with a student with Dyslexia years ago, we created a DAISY

>>> book using MS Word + the Save As DAISY plug-in

>>> <http://www.daisy.org/project/save-as-daisy-ms-word-add-in>. The

>>> student was happy with the result.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Here was our workflow:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> 1.       Save each page as an image file.

>>>

>>> 2.       Insert each image file onto its own MS Word page

>>>

>>> 3.       Add the captions and narrative of each graphic novel page as

>>> ALT TEXT for the image.

>>>

>>> 4.       Add periods and spaces in the Alt-Text box to try to adjust

>>> the length of pauses in the generated MP3

>>>

>>> 5.       Use the Save As DAISY plug-in for MS Word to export to DAISY

>>>

>>> 6.       Use AMIS, Voice of DAISY (mobile) or your favorite DAISY

>>> player for reading.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Note: If possible, use a high quality TTS voice for the DAISY conversion.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Finally, you might explore creating a fixed-layout (FXL) EPUB with media

>>> overlays using Adobe InDesign, where a text layer (with all the captions

>>> and narrative) exists as multiple <p> tags and is hidden behind a  image

>>> layer (with a picture of each page from the graphic novel). You would then

>>> create media overlays using a combination of Sigil +  a few plug-ins.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Perhaps it’s a bit time-consuming and challenging, yet it **could**

>>> work out pretty nicely. The student would see the picture and hear the text

>>> that goes with it (as in the DAISY book)

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> It’s also a free way of doing what Circular Flo

>>> <https://www.circularflo.com/> seems to do with its Read-Aloud book

>>> workflow in InDesign. J

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I offer this as an “experimental” workflow:

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> 1.       Create separate DOCX files (e.g., p01.docx, p02.docx etc.) for

>>> each page’s worth of captions/ narrative in the graphic novel. Utilize

>>> paragraph returns and punctuation to separate caption content and enhance

>>> mp3 production (e.g., pausing)

>>>

>>> 2.       Create MP3 files of each DOCX file (e.g., p01.mp3, p02.mp3

>>> etc.).  I recommend using Balabolka for this bulk audio file conversion

>>> process.

>>>

>>> 3.       Save each page as a separate image file (e.g., p01.jpg,

>>> p02.jpg etc.)

>>>

>>> 4.       Next, place each DOCX (p01.docx) and image file (p01.jpg) into

>>> separate InDesign Documents (p01.indd, p02.indd) and make sure you map your

>>> InDesign paragraph style to an EPUB <p> in the Export Tagging panel of the

>>> Style menu.

>>>

>>> 5.       Use the layers panel to hide the “text layer” behind the Image

>>> layer of each InDesign document.

>>>

>>> 6.       Combine all the InDesign documents into an InDesign book file

>>> (my_graphic_novel.indb) so that separate XHTML files will be created for

>>> each page on export.

>>>

>>> 7.       Export as FXL EPUB.

>>>

>>> 8.       Import the FXL EPUB into Sigil <https://sigil-ebook.com/> and

>>> use the Icarus Plug in <https://github.com/pettarin/icarus> to add

>>> <span IDs> for each <p> tag and prepare for an Aeneas job (see Icarus

>>> tutorial <https://github.com/pettarin/icarus/tree/master/tutorial> for

>>> more information)

>>>

>>> 9.       Execute an Aeneas job (I recommend the Aeneas Web App

>>> <https://aeneasweb.org/login>) to create the SMIL files for the content

>>> of each XHTML file’s content (p01.smil, p02.smil etc.)

>>>

>>> 10.   Once the SMIL files have been created with Aeneas, you import the

>>> SMIL files back into Sigil and then export to EPUB 3 using the EPUB3-itizer

>>> plug-in. <https://github.com/kevinhendricks/ePub3-itizer> See

>>> documentation.

>>>

>>> 11.   Open EPUB with iBooks or other reading system that supports FXL

>>> EPUB with media overlays (MO).

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Best of luck,

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ---

>>>

>>> Joseph Polizzotto

>>>

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>>> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] comic book conversions?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Hi Heidi,

>>>

>>> I wish we had a better solution, too.  The ones we’ve done have had to

>>> basically be written out with a description of the graphics and then the

>>> text to accompany it.  Lots of work!  Hoping someone out there knows a

>>> better way!

>>>

>>> Best,

>>>

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>>> *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu

>>> <athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Heidi

>>> Scher

>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 22, 2018 4:11 PM

>>> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <

>>> athen-list at u.washington.edu>

>>> *Subject:* [Athen] comic book conversions?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Hello everyone!

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I hope your Monday has been more productive than our has been. Seems to

>>> be the day for strange issues and computer gremlins!

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> We have a student who has requested that the graphic novels (i.e. comic

>>> books) be converted for her class. The course uses a textbook plus 5

>>> graphic novels. The student uses text-to-speech software (i.e. is not blind

>>> but does have a print-related disability).

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Has anyone else had the request for graphic novels to be converted? How

>>> did you accomplish the task? These are obviously important course

>>> materials, but just not sure how to accomplish the task. (Hard to believe

>>> in 13+ years I've not dealt with this topic previously!)  OCR will be a

>>> mess to attempt.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Any suggestions would be appreciated!!

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Kind regards,

>>>

>>> Heidi

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

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>>> Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC

>>> Associate Director

>>> Center for Educational Access

>>> University of Arkansas

>>> ARKU 209

>>> Fayetteville, AR 72701

>>> 479.575.3104 <(479)%20575-3104>

>>> 479.575.7445 <(479)%20575-7445> fax

>>> 479.575.3646 <(479)%20575-3646> tdd

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