From Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu  Mon Jul  2 15:42:01 2018
From: Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu (Kluesner, Bryon)
Date: Mon Jul  2 15:43:04 2018
Subject: [Athen] Canvas accessibility
Message-ID: <BN4PR10MB1010A548C0442B6680D77F7D9A430@BN4PR10MB1010.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all,


My campus is considering moving to Canvas from Blackboard for its LMS. One class this summer is utilizing Canvas  and waiting on student feedback. There are only 11 students in the online class. The only student registered with my office is an 84 year old non-traditional student (she WILL get that degree!!! ?). Anyone have any feedback regarding the accessibility of Canvas with JAWS and Zoom Text? I have reviewed the Canvas Voluntary Product Accessibility Template (VPAT), but I would like some feedback from actual users or DSS professional's opinions.


Thanks,


Bryon

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From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU  Tue Jul  3 05:50:28 2018
From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach)
Date: Tue Jul  3 05:50:40 2018
Subject: [Athen] Canvas accessibility
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Hi Bryon,

I have used Canvas in my graduate work. I find it to work fine. Like all of them, there will be a glitch here and there, but it is pretty accessible. Of course, as always, the materials the instructors post may be a different story, but that?s where your skills will come into play. <grin>


Robert Lee Beach
Assistive Technology Specialist
Kansas City Kansas Community College
7250 State Avenue
Kansas City, KS  66112
Phone: 913-288-7671
Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu>

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 5:42 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu
Subject: [Athen] Canvas accessibility


Hi all,



My campus is considering moving to Canvas from Blackboard for its LMS. One class this summer is utilizing Canvas  and waiting on student feedback. There are only 11 students in the online class. The only student registered with my office is an 84 year old non-traditional student (she WILL get that degree!!! ?). Anyone have any feedback regarding the accessibility of Canvas with JAWS and Zoom Text? I have reviewed the Canvas Voluntary Product Accessibility Template (VPAT), but I would like some feedback from actual users or DSS professional's opinions.



Thanks,



Bryon
Adaptive Technology Coordinator
Disability Resource Center
Adjunct Professor
College of Health, Education & Professional Studies
University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
103 Frist Hall
Chattanooga, TN 37403
423-425-5251
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From mmintz at pasadena.edu  Tue Jul  3 07:58:40 2018
From: mmintz at pasadena.edu (Mark C. Mintz)
Date: Tue Jul  3 07:59:02 2018
Subject: [Athen] Canvas accessibility
In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E28EF5E@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL>
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Bryon,

The California Community Colleges went with Canvas for the Online Education Initiative. This was after a thorough review including accessibility review. As Robert Said, most of the accessibility issues are within the coursework produced by instructors.

There are some resources on accessibility (both canvas accessibility and instructor document accessibility on the online ed website:
http://ccconlineed.org/faculty-resources/professional-development/accessibility-support/
http://ccconlineed.org/technology-resources/accessibility-statements/
http://ccconlineed.org/equity-accessibility/
and I think this is an accessible, freely available canvas course if you want to look at navigation.
https://ccconlineed.instructure.com/courses/98


Mark Mintz
Alt Media Specialist
Pasadena City College
Room D209

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Robert Beach
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 5:50 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Canvas accessibility

Hi Bryon,

I have used Canvas in my graduate work. I find it to work fine. Like all of them, there will be a glitch here and there, but it is pretty accessible. Of course, as always, the materials the instructors post may be a different story, but that?s where your skills will come into play. <grin>


Robert Lee Beach
Assistive Technology Specialist
Kansas City Kansas Community College
7250 State Avenue
Kansas City, KS  66112
Phone: 913-288-7671
Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu>

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 5:42 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Athen] Canvas accessibility


Hi all,



My campus is considering moving to Canvas from Blackboard for its LMS. One class this summer is utilizing Canvas  and waiting on student feedback. There are only 11 students in the online class. The only student registered with my office is an 84 year old non-traditional student (she WILL get that degree!!! ?). Anyone have any feedback regarding the accessibility of Canvas with JAWS and Zoom Text? I have reviewed the Canvas Voluntary Product Accessibility Template (VPAT), but I would like some feedback from actual users or DSS professional's opinions.



Thanks,



Bryon
Adaptive Technology Coordinator
Disability Resource Center
Adjunct Professor
College of Health, Education & Professional Studies
University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
103 Frist Hall
Chattanooga, TN 37403
423-425-5251
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From dslab at cpcc.edu  Tue Jul  3 08:56:27 2018
From: dslab at cpcc.edu (dslab)
Date: Tue Jul  3 08:56:38 2018
Subject: [Athen] Communication Access Realtime Translation (CART) Microphones
Message-ID: <948aae63de1a402a8c41328636afac49@mbx9.cpcc.edu>

Hello everyone,

We have been using the Revolab xTag (now Yamaha) microphones to provide CART services over Skype. The base of the charging stations seem to always give out no matter how much we charge them, so we are exploring other options.

We're hoping to find something portable, wireless, USB connected, compatible with Window and IOS, with good sound quality from all directions (omnidirectional), and with real time delivery over the Skype  application. If possible, maybe the microphone could be inconspicuous? It's not obvious that the XTag is a microphone, so it gives the student some privacy about their disability.

What do you all use for CART?


Thanks!


Alysia Leak, MA, LMFTA
Assistive Technology Specialist, Disability Services
Central Campus, Terrell 201
PO Box 35009 Charlotte, NC  28235
704.330.2722 ext 3462
www.cpcc.edu<http://www.cpcc.edu/>
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From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu  Mon Jul  9 07:51:12 2018
From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer)
Date: Mon Jul  9 07:51:28 2018
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
Message-ID: <DM5PR03MB33211F26BFE22778F0E22F0AFB440@DM5PR03MB3321.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Sorry for the cross-posting...some of you may see this more than once.

A colleague brought this to my attention.  My understanding was that Jaws could read EPUBs already, but one she just received from a publisher requires the download/installation/use of Adobe Digital Editions in addition to Jaws to read.

Is this new, or have I missed something?  Since publishers are now foisting ePubs onto us, I need to know if we are going to run into these types of problems.  "It will work, but, you need this thing and this thing and this other thing too..."

My biggest gripe is needing to give students yet another way they have to read their materials, when what they had in the first place was working just fine before publishers decided to take it upon themselves to tell us what our students need and want.

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
303-735-4836

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From chagnon at pubcom.com  Mon Jul  9 09:01:05 2018
From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com)
Date: Mon Jul  9 09:01:31 2018
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
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Message-ID: <014a01d4179e$0b39b570$21ad2050$@pubcom.com>

Adobe Digital Editions is a proprietary eBook format (not EPUB) that does
indeed require software or plug-ins in order to access the file.

 

Since its proprietary rather than open source, we generally stay away from
it. Plus, Adobe charges a small fortune to developers to create and publish
titles in Adobe Digital Editions.

 

And it's not EPUB, the universal open source ebook reader file format that
pretty much anyone can open on any device.

 

Adobe's website does say it is now accessible. See
https://www.adobe.com/solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html 

 

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Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO  |   <mailto:Bevi@PubCom.com> Bevi@PubCom.com 

- - -

PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing

consulting . training . development . design . sec. 508 services

Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes

- - -

 

 

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf
Of Susan Kelmer
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 10:51 AM
To: ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET; Access Technology Higher Education
Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>; athes@lists.colorado.edu
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

 

Sorry for the cross-posting.some of you may see this more than once.

 

A colleague brought this to my attention.  My understanding was that Jaws
could read EPUBs already, but one she just received from a publisher
requires the download/installation/use of Adobe Digital Editions in addition
to Jaws to read.

 

Is this new, or have I missed something?  Since publishers are now foisting
ePubs onto us, I need to know if we are going to run into these types of
problems.  "It will work, but, you need this thing and this thing and this
other thing too."

 

My biggest gripe is needing to give students yet another way they have to
read their materials, when what they had in the first place was working just
fine before publishers decided to take it upon themselves to tell us what
our students need and want.

 

Susan Kelmer

Alternate Format Production Program Manager

Disability Services

University of Colorado Boulder

303-735-4836

 

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From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu  Mon Jul  9 09:19:37 2018
From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer)
Date: Mon Jul  9 09:19:43 2018
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
In-Reply-To: <014a01d4179e$0b39b570$21ad2050$@pubcom.com>
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	<014a01d4179e$0b39b570$21ad2050$@pubcom.com>
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Thanks, Bevi.  I will likely be experimenting with some cracking, to see if I can get it out of DRM.

I've had success in the past doing this.  This will be no different.

-Susan

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Adobe Digital Editions is a proprietary eBook format (not EPUB) that does indeed require software or plug-ins in order to access the file.

Since its proprietary rather than open source, we generally stay away from it. Plus, Adobe charges a small fortune to developers to create and publish titles in Adobe Digital Editions.

And it's not EPUB, the universal open source ebook reader file format that pretty much anyone can open on any device.

Adobe's website does say it is now accessible. See https://www.adobe.com/solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html

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Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO  |  Bevi@PubCom.com<mailto:Bevi@PubCom.com>
- - -
PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing
consulting * training * development * design * sec. 508 services
Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes<http://www.PubCom.com/classes>
- - -


From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 10:51 AM
To: ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET<mailto:ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET>; Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>; athes@lists.colorado.edu<mailto:athes@lists.colorado.edu>
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Sorry for the cross-posting...some of you may see this more than once.

A colleague brought this to my attention.  My understanding was that Jaws could read EPUBs already, but one she just received from a publisher requires the download/installation/use of Adobe Digital Editions in addition to Jaws to read.

Is this new, or have I missed something?  Since publishers are now foisting ePubs onto us, I need to know if we are going to run into these types of problems.  "It will work, but, you need this thing and this thing and this other thing too..."

My biggest gripe is needing to give students yet another way they have to read their materials, when what they had in the first place was working just fine before publishers decided to take it upon themselves to tell us what our students need and want.

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
303-735-4836

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From chagnon at pubcom.com  Mon Jul  9 10:40:13 2018
From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com)
Date: Mon Jul  9 10:40:41 2018
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
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FYI, DRM (digital rights management) was developed to protect the copyright
and control the distribution of the content.

Be careful what you post on a public list! <grin>

 

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Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO  |   <mailto:Bevi@PubCom.com> Bevi@PubCom.com 

- - -

PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing

consulting . training . development . design . sec. 508 services

Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes

- - -

 

 

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf
Of Susan Kelmer
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 12:20 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

 

Thanks, Bevi.  I will likely be experimenting with some cracking, to see if
I can get it out of DRM.

 

I've had success in the past doing this.  This will be no different.

 

-Susan

 

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu
<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > On Behalf Of
chagnon@pubcom.com <mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com> 
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'
<athen-list@u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu> >
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

 

Adobe Digital Editions is a proprietary eBook format (not EPUB) that does
indeed require software or plug-ins in order to access the file.

 

Since its proprietary rather than open source, we generally stay away from
it. Plus, Adobe charges a small fortune to developers to create and publish
titles in Adobe Digital Editions.

 

And it's not EPUB, the universal open source ebook reader file format that
pretty much anyone can open on any device.

 

Adobe's website does say it is now accessible. See
https://www.adobe.com/solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html 

 

- - -

Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO  |  Bevi@PubCom.com <mailto:Bevi@PubCom.com>  

- - -

PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing

consulting . training . development . design . sec. 508 services

Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes <http://www.PubCom.com/classes> 

- - -

 

 

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu
<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > On Behalf Of Susan
Kelmer
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 10:51 AM
To: ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET <mailto:ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET> ;
Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu
<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu> >; athes@lists.colorado.edu
<mailto:athes@lists.colorado.edu> 
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

 

Sorry for the cross-posting.some of you may see this more than once.

 

A colleague brought this to my attention.  My understanding was that Jaws
could read EPUBs already, but one she just received from a publisher
requires the download/installation/use of Adobe Digital Editions in addition
to Jaws to read.

 

Is this new, or have I missed something?  Since publishers are now foisting
ePubs onto us, I need to know if we are going to run into these types of
problems.  "It will work, but, you need this thing and this thing and this
other thing too."

 

My biggest gripe is needing to give students yet another way they have to
read their materials, when what they had in the first place was working just
fine before publishers decided to take it upon themselves to tell us what
our students need and want.

 

Susan Kelmer

Alternate Format Production Program Manager

Disability Services

University of Colorado Boulder

303-735-4836

 

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From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu  Mon Jul  9 10:44:33 2018
From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer)
Date: Mon Jul  9 10:44:38 2018
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
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Removing DRM to produce an accessible file for a student with a disability is legally allowed.  Converting any type of file to another type of file for accessibility purposes is legally allowed.

We are not "illegals!"

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
303-735-4836



From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2018 11:40 AM
To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

FYI, DRM (digital rights management) was developed to protect the copyright and control the distribution of the content.
Be careful what you post on a public list! <grin>

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Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO  |  Bevi@PubCom.com<mailto:Bevi@PubCom.com>
- - -
PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing
consulting * training * development * design * sec. 508 services
Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes<http://www.PubCom.com/classes>
- - -


From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 12:20 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Thanks, Bevi.  I will likely be experimenting with some cracking, to see if I can get it out of DRM.

I've had success in the past doing this.  This will be no different.

-Susan

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Adobe Digital Editions is a proprietary eBook format (not EPUB) that does indeed require software or plug-ins in order to access the file.

Since its proprietary rather than open source, we generally stay away from it. Plus, Adobe charges a small fortune to developers to create and publish titles in Adobe Digital Editions.

And it's not EPUB, the universal open source ebook reader file format that pretty much anyone can open on any device.

Adobe's website does say it is now accessible. See https://www.adobe.com/solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html

- - -
Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO  |  Bevi@PubCom.com<mailto:Bevi@PubCom.com>
- - -
PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing
consulting * training * development * design * sec. 508 services
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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 10:51 AM
To: ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET<mailto:ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET>; Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>; athes@lists.colorado.edu<mailto:athes@lists.colorado.edu>
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Sorry for the cross-posting...some of you may see this more than once.

A colleague brought this to my attention.  My understanding was that Jaws could read EPUBs already, but one she just received from a publisher requires the download/installation/use of Adobe Digital Editions in addition to Jaws to read.

Is this new, or have I missed something?  Since publishers are now foisting ePubs onto us, I need to know if we are going to run into these types of problems.  "It will work, but, you need this thing and this thing and this other thing too..."

My biggest gripe is needing to give students yet another way they have to read their materials, when what they had in the first place was working just fine before publishers decided to take it upon themselves to tell us what our students need and want.

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
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From cyurko at udel.edu  Mon Jul  9 12:01:25 2018
From: cyurko at udel.edu (Yurkovich, Cynthia Ann)
Date: Mon Jul  9 12:01:46 2018
Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Stretch and Live Stream Captioning
Message-ID: <C214F00C-1B5B-4FFE-8D2B-42554AF560DE@contoso.com>

Good afternoon!   Question for the group?   Are any of your campuses using a product called Stretch (formerly Stretch Internet) for sporting events, real-time updated game stats, live streaming of multiple events (for instance volleyball and soccer playing at the same time (so fans can watch both)), etc.? Our web accessibility group is concerned that the live steaming of games may not be accessible for captions. They claim they are WCAG 2.0 AA compliant ? we have not purchased the product yet - and are still waiting to see their VPAT.

Anyone familiar with Stretch and/or using a different product for accessibility purposes?

Thanks in advance!
Cyndi

Cyndi Yurkovich | Assistive Technology Coordinator
Office of Disability Support Services | University of Delaware
240 Academy Street |Alison Hall, Suite 130 |Newark, DE  19716

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From lgreco at berkeley.edu  Mon Jul  9 12:22:22 2018
From: lgreco at berkeley.edu (Lucy Greco)
Date: Mon Jul  9 12:23:25 2018
Subject: [Athen] [ITACCESS] Survey for video and web accessibility
In-Reply-To: <7AB4023E-6530-448A-85BB-36CF4987C97F@colorado.edu>
References: <CAESOp7pBE8owEVwFwgL5XVspnsDPk1_0imfMG2KWkMnAKRcZdA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello,

I have had a few people ask me to share what I learn. I will definitely try
to give some form of summary, and will not disclose any names (of course).
It's already looking pretty interesting with only 12 replies thus far. If
anyone else can take the time to fill out the survey (the more the better),
please do so by Wednesday. I will keep the form live for awhile after that,
but I need to start writing my report then.

I wish i could offer incentives - this data is fascinating and critical for
all of us to learn from.

Thanks,
Lucy

Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist
IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
Follow me on twitter @accessaces



On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 8:26 AM Laura Hamrick <Laura.R.Hamrick@colorado.edu>
wrote:

> Hi Lucy,
>
>
>
> This is a great project! Please share your results ? I?m curious to see
> what people are doing for video accessibility, particularly around audio
> descriptions.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Laura
>
>
>
> *From: *The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group Listserv <
> ITACCESS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Lucy Greco <
> lgreco@BERKELEY.EDU>
> *Reply-To: *The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Constituent Group Listserv <
> ITACCESS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Date: *Friday, July 6, 2018 at 4:43 PM
> *To: *"ITACCESS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <ITACCESS@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject: *[ITACCESS] Survey for video and web accessibility
>
>
>
> Hello:
>
>
>
> I am doing some research to see what other institutions are doing for
> video and web accessibility.  I was hoping some of you could take a few
> minutes to reply to the following survey.  I am trying to come up with a
> benchmark of best practices that are happening throughout the country.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Lucy
>
>
>
> SURVEY LINK:
>
> https://goo.gl/forms/YevjGCitD2lEaqPU2
>
>
>
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> University of California, Berkeley
> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
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From deb.castiglione at cengage.com  Mon Jul  9 16:46:30 2018
From: deb.castiglione at cengage.com (Castiglione, Deb A)
Date: Mon Jul  9 16:46:50 2018
Subject: [Athen] Accessibility/UDL Specialist
Message-ID: <5CDA36D1-9DE1-4B8D-8575-DDF3AA0FC633@cengage.com>

Cengage is hiring an Accessibility/UDL Specialist<https://careers-cengage.icims.com/jobs/5065/accessibility-udl-specialist/job?mode=view&mobile=false&width=990&height=500&bga=true&needsRedirect=false&jan1offset=-300&jun1offset=-240>. Please email me if you have any questions and/or would like to know more about the position.

Feel free to share on additional lists.

Thanks much.
Deb


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Director, Universal Design & Accessible Technologies
Learning Center of Excellence
Cengage
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From kschoeb1 at swarthmore.edu  Wed Jul 11 11:41:23 2018
From: kschoeb1 at swarthmore.edu (Corrine Schoeb)
Date: Wed Jul 11 11:42:00 2018
Subject: [Athen] REDSHELF Reader
Message-ID: <CAJHGCFc8zqKNGLTKPEiVNjAS6iu1_omBAuaueh4gG0_tEQZ3Jg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Our campus bookstore is looking at the Redshelf and its e-reader for
textbooks.  I'm curious if others have any experience with the tool,
particularly integrating with screen readers.

Appreciate your thoughts, advice, and recommendations.

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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jul 11 17:53:57 2018
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed Jul 11 17:54:05 2018
Subject: [Athen] REDSHELF Reader
In-Reply-To: <CAJHGCFc8zqKNGLTKPEiVNjAS6iu1_omBAuaueh4gG0_tEQZ3Jg@mail.g
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I think it is pretty accessible, if memory serves 
me correctly. Go to ePUB.org and look up its results.

Deals with ePub, but also accessibility.
At 01:41 PM 7/11/2018, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,?
>
>Our campus bookstore is looking at the Redshelf 
>and its e-reader for textbooks.?  I'm curious if 
>others have any experience with the tool, 
>particularly integrating with screen readers.
>
>Appreciate your thoughts, advice, and recommendations.
>
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>
>Corrine Schoeb
>Technology Accessibility Coordinator,? ITS
>610-957-6208
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From rachel.comerford at macmillan.com  Wed Jul 11 18:06:41 2018
From: rachel.comerford at macmillan.com (Rachel Comerford)
Date: Wed Jul 11 18:07:15 2018
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
Message-ID: <CAESEvMyq0uydRX4FEoKcwHw9E7S_OONFxHR8USAKKn-_2cTKJg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Susan!

Adobe Digital Editions (ADE) is one of the many readers that will open
epubs. It isn't a proprietary format (although they may have a format that
they push as well). ADE is the platform (like ibooks, kindle, vitalsource,
redshelf, and others) and EPUB is the format of the content (basically all
of the text, design files, navigation files, etc). Students who use
Kurzweil or Read and Write Gold can also open epubs in those platforms
although those companies are in the process of doing some updating to allow
for more ease of use of epub.

My favorite epub reader for textbooks is vitalsource. It's free to download
the reader and the company has worked really closely with Benetech and
DAISY to build an accessible ebook reader. There are a lot of good ones out
there though.

I wholeheartedly believe that PDFs were a good solution for students using
AT but EPUBs are a better one. The accessibility metadata that can be built
into them, the clear navigation without remediation, and the ability to
resize and reflow text (no more horizontal scrolling!!) are just a few
reasons.

Just my 2 cents in case it helps. I know there will be some talk about this
at AHEAD and AHG this year - maybe we'll get a chance to meet there!

If the file is DRM'd - have you tried reaching out through BookShare or
AccessText Network for a file that isn't? I know we provide DRM-free files
via those libraries... I'm sure other publishers do to.

Rachel

Rachel Comerford | Senior Director of Content Standards and Accessibility |
T 212.576.9433

*Macmillan Learning*


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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 17:44:33 +0000
From: Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu>
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
        <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to
        read?
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Removing DRM to produce an accessible file for a student with a disability
is legally allowed.  Converting any type of file to another type of file
for accessibility purposes is legally allowed.

We are not "illegals!"

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
303-735-4836



From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf
Of chagnon@pubcom.com
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2018 11:40 AM
To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <
athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

FYI, DRM (digital rights management) was developed to protect the copyright
and control the distribution of the content.
Be careful what you post on a public list! <grin>

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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:
athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 12:20 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<
mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Thanks, Bevi.  I will likely be experimenting with some cracking, to see if
I can get it out of DRM.

I've had success in the past doing this.  This will be no different.

-Susan

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:
athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of
chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <
athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Adobe Digital Editions is a proprietary eBook format (not EPUB) that does
indeed require software or plug-ins in order to access the file.

Since its proprietary rather than open source, we generally stay away from
it. Plus, Adobe charges a small fortune to developers to create and publish
titles in Adobe Digital Editions.

And it's not EPUB, the universal open source ebook reader file format that
pretty much anyone can open on any device.

Adobe's website does say it is now accessible. See https://www.adobe.com/
solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html

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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:
athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 10:51 AM
To: ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET<mailto:ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET>;
Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<
mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>; athes@lists.colorado.edu<mailto:
athes@lists.colorado.edu>
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Sorry for the cross-posting...some of you may see this more than once.

A colleague brought this to my attention.  My understanding was that Jaws
could read EPUBs already, but one she just received from a publisher
requires the download/installation/use of Adobe Digital Editions in
addition to Jaws to read.

Is this new, or have I missed something?  Since publishers are now foisting
ePubs onto us, I need to know if we are going to run into these types of
problems.  "It will work, but, you need this thing and this thing and this
other thing too..."

My biggest gripe is needing to give students yet another way they have to
read their materials, when what they had in the first place was working
just fine before publishers decided to take it upon themselves to tell us
what our students need and want.

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
303-735-4836

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From rspangler1 at udayton.edu  Thu Jul 12 06:09:32 2018
From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler)
Date: Thu Jul 12 06:10:04 2018
Subject: [Athen] REDSHELF Reader
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I opened it along with the included sample.  I use NVDA and I tried it with
Chrome and Firefox.  Every word on the page was on a separate line, causing
a pause between each word when reading.  Unless there's a solution for
this, I would not use it.  I'd be sitting here pulling my hair out if I had
to read like this.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:53 PM, David Andrews <dandrews@visi.com> wrote:

> I think it is pretty accessible, if memory serves me correctly. Go to
> ePUB.org and look up its results.
>
> Deals with ePub, but also accessibility.
> At 01:41 PM 7/11/2018, you wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,?
>
> Our campus bookstore is looking at the Redshelf and its e-reader for
> textbooks.?  I'm curious if others have any experience with the tool,
> particularly integrating with screen readers.
>
> Appreciate your thoughts, advice, and recommendations.
>
> --
>
> Corrine Schoeb
> Technology Accessibility Coordinator,? ITS
> 610-957-6208
>
> *** Swarthmore College ITS will never ask you for your password, including
> by email. Please keep your passwords private to protect yourself and the
> security of our network.
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From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu  Thu Jul 12 07:43:43 2018
From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer)
Date: Thu Jul 12 07:43:56 2018
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
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With all due respect, Rachel?you are speaking from the perspective of a publisher.  You don?t know our students.  You don?t know our needs, or theirs.  You don?t know how frustrating it is for us in the business of creating accessible content to have to jump through a thousand hoops just to be able to give a student what they need to get through their reading.  You are making non-information-based assumptions about our students and how they need to access materials.  Let me lay it out for you:


1.       You just said that we need to have a special reader to read ePubs.  Whether that is YET ANOTHER APP or program, or another plugin, you are asking our students to do YET ONE MORE THING to have access to the materials their other classmates have access to readily and easily and without plugins, programs, or other hoops to jump through.

2.       You assume every student is using Kurzweil or Read and Write Gold.  What?  WHAT?? Do you even do research on what people are using to read with before you make these assumptions?

3.       Vitalsource?  Give me a break.  The quality of files on there leave a LOT to be desired.

4.       Vital Source, ADE, Kobo, Amazon Kindle, etc. are all forcing people to be locked into a particular platform and a particular method of access. Additionally, not a single one of these platforms contain ALL of the materials a student may need to access throughout their career.  So, they need to have an app or program or login to a platform for each and every thing, and each one may be different.  i.e., if it is this kind of file, you open this program.  If it is this other kind of file, you open this OTHER program.  And here, here?s ANOTHER file that you need this other app to be able to use. And this one needs a login to an online source, so make sure you have the Internet before you try to read it!

5.       How do ANY of these platforms give us access for students who are blind?  Is there Braille in there?  Nice clean text/Word files they can access with a screen reader?  Perfectly tagged HTML that will never barf and always has images alt-tagged and all data behind graphics outlined clearly? I?m just betting not.  You assume it?s just ?no big thing? to have a blind student need to download another thing, to access this thing, that a screen reader may or may not be able to navigate.  Again, making assumptions about what our students need or want.

Please understand, Rachel, that we are in the business of legally-mandated provision of alternate format for our students.  We?re not arguing for the provision of perfectly tagged PDFs from publishers to serve all students.  We, as providers, are asking that you continue to provide us with the PDFs we can use to create the format THAT THE STUDENT NEEDS.  We are, at our very base, doing what we do for STUDENTS.  Publishers are doing what they need to do for PROFITS.  We are coming from two different places, but we just wish publishers would stop pushing formats on us that our students do not need or want, or have trouble accessing.

Please, just give us PDFs when we ask for them.  Is that really so hard?  Keep producing all the locked in, need-yet-another-app-to read stuff you want and putting it out there, but when we, the providers for students with disabilities, ask for a file we can work with to create accessible format for a student, can you just give us that thing?



From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Rachel Comerford
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 7:07 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Hi Susan!
Adobe Digital Editions (ADE) is one of the many readers that will open epubs. It isn't a proprietary format (although they may have a format that they push as well). ADE is the platform (like ibooks, kindle, vitalsource, redshelf, and others) and EPUB is the format of the content (basically all of the text, design files, navigation files, etc). Students who use Kurzweil or Read and Write Gold can also open epubs in those platforms although those companies are in the process of doing some updating to allow for more ease of use of epub.

My favorite epub reader for textbooks is vitalsource. It's free to download the reader and the company has worked really closely with Benetech and DAISY to build an accessible ebook reader. There are a lot of good ones out there though.

I wholeheartedly believe that PDFs were a good solution for students using AT but EPUBs are a better one. The accessibility metadata that can be built into them, the clear navigation without remediation, and the ability to resize and reflow text (no more horizontal scrolling!!) are just a few reasons.

Just my 2 cents in case it helps. I know there will be some talk about this at AHEAD and AHG this year - maybe we'll get a chance to meet there!

If the file is DRM'd - have you tried reaching out through BookShare or AccessText Network for a file that isn't? I know we provide DRM-free files via those libraries... I'm sure other publishers do to.

Rachel

Rachel Comerford | Senior Director of Content Standards and Accessibility | T 212.576.9433

Macmillan Learning


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From: Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu<mailto:Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu>>
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        read?
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Removing DRM to produce an accessible file for a student with a disability is legally allowed.  Converting any type of file to another type of file for accessibility purposes is legally allowed.

We are not "illegals!"

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
303-735-4836



From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>
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To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

FYI, DRM (digital rights management) was developed to protect the copyright and control the distribution of the content.
Be careful what you post on a public list! <grin>

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To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu><mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Thanks, Bevi.  I will likely be experimenting with some cracking, to see if I can get it out of DRM.

I've had success in the past doing this.  This will be no different.

-Susan

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu><mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>>> On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com><mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>>
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To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu><mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Adobe Digital Editions is a proprietary eBook format (not EPUB) that does indeed require software or plug-ins in order to access the file.

Since its proprietary rather than open source, we generally stay away from it. Plus, Adobe charges a small fortune to developers to create and publish titles in Adobe Digital Editions.

And it's not EPUB, the universal open source ebook reader file format that pretty much anyone can open on any device.

Adobe's website does say it is now accessible. See https://www.adobe.com/solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html

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To: ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET<mailto:ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET><mailto:ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET<mailto:ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET>>; Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu><mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>>; athes@lists.colorado.edu<mailto:athes@lists.colorado.edu><mailto:athes@lists.colorado.edu<mailto:athes@lists.colorado.edu>>
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Sorry for the cross-posting...some of you may see this more than once.

A colleague brought this to my attention.  My understanding was that Jaws could read EPUBs already, but one she just received from a publisher requires the download/installation/use of Adobe Digital Editions in addition to Jaws to read.

Is this new, or have I missed something?  Since publishers are now foisting ePubs onto us, I need to know if we are going to run into these types of problems.  "It will work, but, you need this thing and this thing and this other thing too..."

My biggest gripe is needing to give students yet another way they have to read their materials, when what they had in the first place was working just fine before publishers decided to take it upon themselves to tell us what our students need and want.

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
303-735-4836

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Date: Thu Jul 12 08:22:52 2018
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
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IMO, epubs would be great IF there was a good way for students using them to get the original textbook page numbers. In my experience, epubs don?t have easily found original pages, so if a professor says ?read pages 23-50,? a student using an epub will be lost. Please correct me if I?m wrong ? maybe I?m missing something obvious, which would be great ? but for now that?s the biggest hurdle to switching to epub for me.

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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Rachel Comerford
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 9:07 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Hi Susan!
Adobe Digital Editions (ADE) is one of the many readers that will open epubs. It isn't a proprietary format (although they may have a format that they push as well). ADE is the platform (like ibooks, kindle, vitalsource, redshelf, and others) and EPUB is the format of the content (basically all of the text, design files, navigation files, etc). Students who use Kurzweil or Read and Write Gold can also open epubs in those platforms although those companies are in the process of doing some updating to allow for more ease of use of epub.

My favorite epub reader for textbooks is vitalsource. It's free to download the reader and the company has worked really closely with Benetech and DAISY to build an accessible ebook reader. There are a lot of good ones out there though.

I wholeheartedly believe that PDFs were a good solution for students using AT but EPUBs are a better one. The accessibility metadata that can be built into them, the clear navigation without remediation, and the ability to resize and reflow text (no more horizontal scrolling!!) are just a few reasons.

Just my 2 cents in case it helps. I know there will be some talk about this at AHEAD and AHG this year - maybe we'll get a chance to meet there!

If the file is DRM'd - have you tried reaching out through BookShare or AccessText Network for a file that isn't? I know we provide DRM-free files via those libraries... I'm sure other publishers do to.

Rachel

Rachel Comerford | Senior Director of Content Standards and Accessibility | T 212.576.9433

Macmillan Learning


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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 17:44:33 +0000
From: Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu<mailto:Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu>>
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
        <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
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Removing DRM to produce an accessible file for a student with a disability is legally allowed.  Converting any type of file to another type of file for accessibility purposes is legally allowed.

We are not "illegals!"

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
303-735-4836



From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>
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To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

FYI, DRM (digital rights management) was developed to protect the copyright and control the distribution of the content.
Be careful what you post on a public list! <grin>

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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Thanks, Bevi.  I will likely be experimenting with some cracking, to see if I can get it out of DRM.

I've had success in the past doing this.  This will be no different.

-Susan

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu><mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>>> On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com><mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Adobe Digital Editions is a proprietary eBook format (not EPUB) that does indeed require software or plug-ins in order to access the file.

Since its proprietary rather than open source, we generally stay away from it. Plus, Adobe charges a small fortune to developers to create and publish titles in Adobe Digital Editions.

And it's not EPUB, the universal open source ebook reader file format that pretty much anyone can open on any device.

Adobe's website does say it is now accessible. See https://www.adobe.com/solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html

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Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Sorry for the cross-posting...some of you may see this more than once.

A colleague brought this to my attention.  My understanding was that Jaws could read EPUBs already, but one she just received from a publisher requires the download/installation/use of Adobe Digital Editions in addition to Jaws to read.

Is this new, or have I missed something?  Since publishers are now foisting ePubs onto us, I need to know if we are going to run into these types of problems.  "It will work, but, you need this thing and this thing and this other thing too..."

My biggest gripe is needing to give students yet another way they have to read their materials, when what they had in the first place was working just fine before publishers decided to take it upon themselves to tell us what our students need and want.

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
303-735-4836

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From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU  Thu Jul 12 09:11:56 2018
From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach)
Date: Thu Jul 12 09:12:14 2018
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
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Also keep in mind that students need those page numbers for referencing materials in their writings, at least until MLA, APA and others allow for this type or source material.


Robert Lee Beach
Assistive Technology Specialist
Kansas City Kansas Community College
7250 State Avenue
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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Andrea L. Dietrich
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:23 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

IMO, epubs would be great IF there was a good way for students using them to get the original textbook page numbers. In my experience, epubs don?t have easily found original pages, so if a professor says ?read pages 23-50,? a student using an epub will be lost. Please correct me if I?m wrong ? maybe I?m missing something obvious, which would be great ? but for now that?s the biggest hurdle to switching to epub for me.

Thanks,
Andi :)
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Andrea Dietrich
Cornell University
Student Disability Services
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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Rachel Comerford
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 9:07 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Hi Susan!
Adobe Digital Editions (ADE) is one of the many readers that will open epubs. It isn't a proprietary format (although they may have a format that they push as well). ADE is the platform (like ibooks, kindle, vitalsource, redshelf, and others) and EPUB is the format of the content (basically all of the text, design files, navigation files, etc). Students who use Kurzweil or Read and Write Gold can also open epubs in those platforms although those companies are in the process of doing some updating to allow for more ease of use of epub.

My favorite epub reader for textbooks is vitalsource. It's free to download the reader and the company has worked really closely with Benetech and DAISY to build an accessible ebook reader. There are a lot of good ones out there though.

I wholeheartedly believe that PDFs were a good solution for students using AT but EPUBs are a better one. The accessibility metadata that can be built into them, the clear navigation without remediation, and the ability to resize and reflow text (no more horizontal scrolling!!) are just a few reasons.

Just my 2 cents in case it helps. I know there will be some talk about this at AHEAD and AHG this year - maybe we'll get a chance to meet there!

If the file is DRM'd - have you tried reaching out through BookShare or AccessText Network for a file that isn't? I know we provide DRM-free files via those libraries... I'm sure other publishers do to.

Rachel

Rachel Comerford | Senior Director of Content Standards and Accessibility | T 212.576.9433

Macmillan Learning


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From: Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu<mailto:Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu>>
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Removing DRM to produce an accessible file for a student with a disability is legally allowed.  Converting any type of file to another type of file for accessibility purposes is legally allowed.

We are not "illegals!"

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
303-735-4836



From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>
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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

FYI, DRM (digital rights management) was developed to protect the copyright and control the distribution of the content.
Be careful what you post on a public list! <grin>

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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Thanks, Bevi.  I will likely be experimenting with some cracking, to see if I can get it out of DRM.

I've had success in the past doing this.  This will be no different.

-Susan

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu><mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>>> On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com><mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Adobe Digital Editions is a proprietary eBook format (not EPUB) that does indeed require software or plug-ins in order to access the file.

Since its proprietary rather than open source, we generally stay away from it. Plus, Adobe charges a small fortune to developers to create and publish titles in Adobe Digital Editions.

And it's not EPUB, the universal open source ebook reader file format that pretty much anyone can open on any device.

Adobe's website does say it is now accessible. See https://www.adobe.com/solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html

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Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Sorry for the cross-posting...some of you may see this more than once.

A colleague brought this to my attention.  My understanding was that Jaws could read EPUBs already, but one she just received from a publisher requires the download/installation/use of Adobe Digital Editions in addition to Jaws to read.

Is this new, or have I missed something?  Since publishers are now foisting ePubs onto us, I need to know if we are going to run into these types of problems.  "It will work, but, you need this thing and this thing and this other thing too..."

My biggest gripe is needing to give students yet another way they have to read their materials, when what they had in the first place was working just fine before publishers decided to take it upon themselves to tell us what our students need and want.

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
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From Shaun.Hegney at sfcc.spokane.edu  Thu Jul 12 09:45:18 2018
From: Shaun.Hegney at sfcc.spokane.edu (Hegney, Shaun)
Date: Thu Jul 12 09:45:32 2018
Subject: [Athen] Zoomtext license server error
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Hello Athen,


I'm curious if anyone is having a similar issue or if you have dealt with this in the past. When starting Zoomtext on any PC we sometimes get the following error and Zoomtext can't be opened.

One of the following licenses is required:
*CodeMeterAct 5000198:2001110
Failure reason: The CMActLicenses has to be activated again, Error 263.

The only way that we have made this error go away is to reinstall the license server and or robot it.  However, it does not seem to fix the issue long term. If anyone has any suggestions or has fixed this issue, please let me know.

Shaun Hegney
Program Specialist 2
Disability Support Services
Spokane Falls Community College
(509)-533-3544
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From Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu  Thu Jul 12 13:46:10 2018
From: Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu (Kluesner, Bryon)
Date: Thu Jul 12 13:47:22 2018
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
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I just made a request from Macmillan, received an ePub file. My computer couldn?t find a suitable software to open the file. Sent a message to the publisher via Access Text asking for a PDF. I don?t feel that I, nor my student, should have to download additional software when what he uses (Kurzweil) works just fine for his needs!

Here we go again, another Cengage type issue trying to force their (publisher) preferred format at me. I would rather scan the book than be forced to use it as ePub!

Just my 2 cents.

Bryon

Bryon Kluesner, RhD
Adaptive Technology Coordinator
Disability Resource Center
Adjunct Professor
College of Health, Education & Professional Studies


The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
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From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:44 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

With all due respect, Rachel?you are speaking from the perspective of a publisher.  You don?t know our students.  You don?t know our needs, or theirs.  You don?t know how frustrating it is for us in the business of creating accessible content to have to jump through a thousand hoops just to be able to give a student what they need to get through their reading.  You are making non-information-based assumptions about our students and how they need to access materials.  Let me lay it out for you:


1.      You just said that we need to have a special reader to read ePubs.  Whether that is YET ANOTHER APP or program, or another plugin, you are asking our students to do YET ONE MORE THING to have access to the materials their other classmates have access to readily and easily and without plugins, programs, or other hoops to jump through.

2.      You assume every student is using Kurzweil or Read and Write Gold.  What?  WHAT?? Do you even do research on what people are using to read with before you make these assumptions?

3.      Vitalsource?  Give me a break.  The quality of files on there leave a LOT to be desired.

4.      Vital Source, ADE, Kobo, Amazon Kindle, etc. are all forcing people to be locked into a particular platform and a particular method of access. Additionally, not a single one of these platforms contain ALL of the materials a student may need to access throughout their career.  So, they need to have an app or program or login to a platform for each and every thing, and each one may be different.  i.e., if it is this kind of file, you open this program.  If it is this other kind of file, you open this OTHER program.  And here, here?s ANOTHER file that you need this other app to be able to use. And this one needs a login to an online source, so make sure you have the Internet before you try to read it!

5.      How do ANY of these platforms give us access for students who are blind?  Is there Braille in there?  Nice clean text/Word files they can access with a screen reader?  Perfectly tagged HTML that will never barf and always has images alt-tagged and all data behind graphics outlined clearly? I?m just betting not.  You assume it?s just ?no big thing? to have a blind student need to download another thing, to access this thing, that a screen reader may or may not be able to navigate.  Again, making assumptions about what our students need or want.

Please understand, Rachel, that we are in the business of legally-mandated provision of alternate format for our students.  We?re not arguing for the provision of perfectly tagged PDFs from publishers to serve all students.  We, as providers, are asking that you continue to provide us with the PDFs we can use to create the format THAT THE STUDENT NEEDS.  We are, at our very base, doing what we do for STUDENTS.  Publishers are doing what they need to do for PROFITS.  We are coming from two different places, but we just wish publishers would stop pushing formats on us that our students do not need or want, or have trouble accessing.

Please, just give us PDFs when we ask for them.  Is that really so hard?  Keep producing all the locked in, need-yet-another-app-to read stuff you want and putting it out there, but when we, the providers for students with disabilities, ask for a file we can work with to create accessible format for a student, can you just give us that thing?



From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Rachel Comerford
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 7:07 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Hi Susan!
Adobe Digital Editions (ADE) is one of the many readers that will open epubs. It isn't a proprietary format (although they may have a format that they push as well). ADE is the platform (like ibooks, kindle, vitalsource, redshelf, and others) and EPUB is the format of the content (basically all of the text, design files, navigation files, etc). Students who use Kurzweil or Read and Write Gold can also open epubs in those platforms although those companies are in the process of doing some updating to allow for more ease of use of epub.

My favorite epub reader for textbooks is vitalsource. It's free to download the reader and the company has worked really closely with Benetech and DAISY to build an accessible ebook reader. There are a lot of good ones out there though.

I wholeheartedly believe that PDFs were a good solution for students using AT but EPUBs are a better one. The accessibility metadata that can be built into them, the clear navigation without remediation, and the ability to resize and reflow text (no more horizontal scrolling!!) are just a few reasons.

Just my 2 cents in case it helps. I know there will be some talk about this at AHEAD and AHG this year - maybe we'll get a chance to meet there!

If the file is DRM'd - have you tried reaching out through BookShare or AccessText Network for a file that isn't? I know we provide DRM-free files via those libraries... I'm sure other publishers do to.

Rachel

Rachel Comerford | Senior Director of Content Standards and Accessibility | T 212.576.9433

Macmillan Learning


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Removing DRM to produce an accessible file for a student with a disability is legally allowed.  Converting any type of file to another type of file for accessibility purposes is legally allowed.

We are not "illegals!"

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
303-735-4836



From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>
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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

FYI, DRM (digital rights management) was developed to protect the copyright and control the distribution of the content.
Be careful what you post on a public list! <grin>

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To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu><mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Thanks, Bevi.  I will likely be experimenting with some cracking, to see if I can get it out of DRM.

I've had success in the past doing this.  This will be no different.

-Susan

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu><mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>>> On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com><mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Adobe Digital Editions is a proprietary eBook format (not EPUB) that does indeed require software or plug-ins in order to access the file.

Since its proprietary rather than open source, we generally stay away from it. Plus, Adobe charges a small fortune to developers to create and publish titles in Adobe Digital Editions.

And it's not EPUB, the universal open source ebook reader file format that pretty much anyone can open on any device.

Adobe's website does say it is now accessible. See https://www.adobe.com/solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html

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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu><mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>>> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
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Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Sorry for the cross-posting...some of you may see this more than once.

A colleague brought this to my attention.  My understanding was that Jaws could read EPUBs already, but one she just received from a publisher requires the download/installation/use of Adobe Digital Editions in addition to Jaws to read.

Is this new, or have I missed something?  Since publishers are now foisting ePubs onto us, I need to know if we are going to run into these types of problems.  "It will work, but, you need this thing and this thing and this other thing too..."

My biggest gripe is needing to give students yet another way they have to read their materials, when what they had in the first place was working just fine before publishers decided to take it upon themselves to tell us what our students need and want.

Susan Kelmer
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From: adwershing at pstcc.edu (Wershing, Alice D.)
Date: Thu Jul 12 14:18:50 2018
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
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I have been able to open epub books in Kurzweil 3000.  I download all of our files to a secure drive, then just use the File and Open command to open the epub into Kurzweil.

The issue is one that someone else posted about page numbers matching.  Also, if you have students using Kurzweil to highlight and extract notes, having the book all in one file poses issues.  If the student highlights and extracts notes later in the book, it extracts all the notes from all of the previous chapters again.  For some students, this makes it difficult.  Using the page range option in Kurzweil, I can pull out chapters fairly quickly and send them to the student?s cloud.   Then they can highlight and extract one chapter at a time.

I have Kurzweil 16 on order, so there may be some new features in the newer version that will also assist.
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From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 4:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

I just made a request from Macmillan, received an ePub file. My computer couldn?t find a suitable software to open the file. Sent a message to the publisher via Access Text asking for a PDF. I don?t feel that I, nor my student, should have to download additional software when what he uses (Kurzweil) works just fine for his needs!

Here we go again, another Cengage type issue trying to force their (publisher) preferred format at me. I would rather scan the book than be forced to use it as ePub!

Just my 2 cents.

Bryon

Bryon Kluesner, RhD
Adaptive Technology Coordinator
Disability Resource Center
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College of Health, Education & Professional Studies


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From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:44 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

With all due respect, Rachel?you are speaking from the perspective of a publisher.  You don?t know our students.  You don?t know our needs, or theirs.  You don?t know how frustrating it is for us in the business of creating accessible content to have to jump through a thousand hoops just to be able to give a student what they need to get through their reading.  You are making non-information-based assumptions about our students and how they need to access materials.  Let me lay it out for you:


1.       You just said that we need to have a special reader to read ePubs.  Whether that is YET ANOTHER APP or program, or another plugin, you are asking our students to do YET ONE MORE THING to have access to the materials their other classmates have access to readily and easily and without plugins, programs, or other hoops to jump through.

2.       You assume every student is using Kurzweil or Read and Write Gold.  What?  WHAT?? Do you even do research on what people are using to read with before you make these assumptions?

3.       Vitalsource?  Give me a break.  The quality of files on there leave a LOT to be desired.

4.       Vital Source, ADE, Kobo, Amazon Kindle, etc. are all forcing people to be locked into a particular platform and a particular method of access. Additionally, not a single one of these platforms contain ALL of the materials a student may need to access throughout their career.  So, they need to have an app or program or login to a platform for each and every thing, and each one may be different.  i.e., if it is this kind of file, you open this program.  If it is this other kind of file, you open this OTHER program.  And here, here?s ANOTHER file that you need this other app to be able to use. And this one needs a login to an online source, so make sure you have the Internet before you try to read it!

5.       How do ANY of these platforms give us access for students who are blind?  Is there Braille in there?  Nice clean text/Word files they can access with a screen reader?  Perfectly tagged HTML that will never barf and always has images alt-tagged and all data behind graphics outlined clearly? I?m just betting not.  You assume it?s just ?no big thing? to have a blind student need to download another thing, to access this thing, that a screen reader may or may not be able to navigate.  Again, making assumptions about what our students need or want.

Please understand, Rachel, that we are in the business of legally-mandated provision of alternate format for our students.  We?re not arguing for the provision of perfectly tagged PDFs from publishers to serve all students.  We, as providers, are asking that you continue to provide us with the PDFs we can use to create the format THAT THE STUDENT NEEDS.  We are, at our very base, doing what we do for STUDENTS.  Publishers are doing what they need to do for PROFITS.  We are coming from two different places, but we just wish publishers would stop pushing formats on us that our students do not need or want, or have trouble accessing.

Please, just give us PDFs when we ask for them.  Is that really so hard?  Keep producing all the locked in, need-yet-another-app-to read stuff you want and putting it out there, but when we, the providers for students with disabilities, ask for a file we can work with to create accessible format for a student, can you just give us that thing?



From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Rachel Comerford
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 7:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Hi Susan!
Adobe Digital Editions (ADE) is one of the many readers that will open epubs. It isn't a proprietary format (although they may have a format that they push as well). ADE is the platform (like ibooks, kindle, vitalsource, redshelf, and others) and EPUB is the format of the content (basically all of the text, design files, navigation files, etc). Students who use Kurzweil or Read and Write Gold can also open epubs in those platforms although those companies are in the process of doing some updating to allow for more ease of use of epub.

My favorite epub reader for textbooks is vitalsource. It's free to download the reader and the company has worked really closely with Benetech and DAISY to build an accessible ebook reader. There are a lot of good ones out there though.

I wholeheartedly believe that PDFs were a good solution for students using AT but EPUBs are a better one. The accessibility metadata that can be built into them, the clear navigation without remediation, and the ability to resize and reflow text (no more horizontal scrolling!!) are just a few reasons.

Just my 2 cents in case it helps. I know there will be some talk about this at AHEAD and AHG this year - maybe we'll get a chance to meet there!

If the file is DRM'd - have you tried reaching out through BookShare or AccessText Network for a file that isn't? I know we provide DRM-free files via those libraries... I'm sure other publishers do to.

Rachel

Rachel Comerford | Senior Director of Content Standards and Accessibility | T 212.576.9433

Macmillan Learning


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Removing DRM to produce an accessible file for a student with a disability is legally allowed.  Converting any type of file to another type of file for accessibility purposes is legally allowed.

We are not "illegals!"

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
303-735-4836



From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>
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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

FYI, DRM (digital rights management) was developed to protect the copyright and control the distribution of the content.
Be careful what you post on a public list! <grin>

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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu><mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>>> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Thanks, Bevi.  I will likely be experimenting with some cracking, to see if I can get it out of DRM.

I've had success in the past doing this.  This will be no different.

-Susan

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu><mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>>> On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com><mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Adobe Digital Editions is a proprietary eBook format (not EPUB) that does indeed require software or plug-ins in order to access the file.

Since its proprietary rather than open source, we generally stay away from it. Plus, Adobe charges a small fortune to developers to create and publish titles in Adobe Digital Editions.

And it's not EPUB, the universal open source ebook reader file format that pretty much anyone can open on any device.

Adobe's website does say it is now accessible. See https://www.adobe.com/solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html

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Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Sorry for the cross-posting...some of you may see this more than once.

A colleague brought this to my attention.  My understanding was that Jaws could read EPUBs already, but one she just received from a publisher requires the download/installation/use of Adobe Digital Editions in addition to Jaws to read.

Is this new, or have I missed something?  Since publishers are now foisting ePubs onto us, I need to know if we are going to run into these types of problems.  "It will work, but, you need this thing and this thing and this other thing too..."

My biggest gripe is needing to give students yet another way they have to read their materials, when what they had in the first place was working just fine before publishers decided to take it upon themselves to tell us what our students need and want.

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
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From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer)
Date: Thu Jul 12 14:28:03 2018
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
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Alice, here?s the thing?

Are every single one of our students using Kurzweil?

No?  Didn?t think so.

This is a case of the publisher deciding what our students need.  I have some students using Kurzweil.  I have some using Adobe Reader and their built-in text-to-speech on a Mac.  I have some using their purchased version of Natural Reader.  I have some students who are blind and using screen readers with Word files, or enlarging text from the PDF.

Our output is determined by what students need.  And Kurzweil is just one small aspect of that.  So ePubs can be read in Kurzweil.  Great!  That works for the 30 or so students that use Kurzweil on my campus.  What about the other 75 that use something else?

I want publishers to stop responding to our requests for a PDF with ?the student can read it using VitalSource? or ?here?s the ePub? or ?here?s a code so the student can read it on our proprietary portal.?  NONE of this is their business, nor their decision to make.  That is for the student and the provider to determine.  Publishers need to stay completely out of it, and stop locking down the format they DO provide so that we can?t get into it, ala Adobe Digital Editions-locked down ePubs.

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
303-735-4836



From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D.
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 3:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

I have been able to open epub books in Kurzweil 3000.  I download all of our files to a secure drive, then just use the File and Open command to open the epub into Kurzweil.

The issue is one that someone else posted about page numbers matching.  Also, if you have students using Kurzweil to highlight and extract notes, having the book all in one file poses issues.  If the student highlights and extracts notes later in the book, it extracts all the notes from all of the previous chapters again.  For some students, this makes it difficult.  Using the page range option in Kurzweil, I can pull out chapters fairly quickly and send them to the student?s cloud.   Then they can highlight and extract one chapter at a time.

I have Kurzweil 16 on order, so there may be some new features in the newer version that will also assist.
Alice


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From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 4:46 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

I just made a request from Macmillan, received an ePub file. My computer couldn?t find a suitable software to open the file. Sent a message to the publisher via Access Text asking for a PDF. I don?t feel that I, nor my student, should have to download additional software when what he uses (Kurzweil) works just fine for his needs!

Here we go again, another Cengage type issue trying to force their (publisher) preferred format at me. I would rather scan the book than be forced to use it as ePub!

Just my 2 cents.

Bryon

Bryon Kluesner, RhD
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From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:44 AM
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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

With all due respect, Rachel?you are speaking from the perspective of a publisher.  You don?t know our students.  You don?t know our needs, or theirs.  You don?t know how frustrating it is for us in the business of creating accessible content to have to jump through a thousand hoops just to be able to give a student what they need to get through their reading.  You are making non-information-based assumptions about our students and how they need to access materials.  Let me lay it out for you:


1.       You just said that we need to have a special reader to read ePubs.  Whether that is YET ANOTHER APP or program, or another plugin, you are asking our students to do YET ONE MORE THING to have access to the materials their other classmates have access to readily and easily and without plugins, programs, or other hoops to jump through.

2.       You assume every student is using Kurzweil or Read and Write Gold.  What?  WHAT?? Do you even do research on what people are using to read with before you make these assumptions?

3.       Vitalsource?  Give me a break.  The quality of files on there leave a LOT to be desired.

4.       Vital Source, ADE, Kobo, Amazon Kindle, etc. are all forcing people to be locked into a particular platform and a particular method of access. Additionally, not a single one of these platforms contain ALL of the materials a student may need to access throughout their career.  So, they need to have an app or program or login to a platform for each and every thing, and each one may be different.  i.e., if it is this kind of file, you open this program.  If it is this other kind of file, you open this OTHER program.  And here, here?s ANOTHER file that you need this other app to be able to use. And this one needs a login to an online source, so make sure you have the Internet before you try to read it!

5.       How do ANY of these platforms give us access for students who are blind?  Is there Braille in there?  Nice clean text/Word files they can access with a screen reader?  Perfectly tagged HTML that will never barf and always has images alt-tagged and all data behind graphics outlined clearly? I?m just betting not.  You assume it?s just ?no big thing? to have a blind student need to download another thing, to access this thing, that a screen reader may or may not be able to navigate.  Again, making assumptions about what our students need or want.

Please understand, Rachel, that we are in the business of legally-mandated provision of alternate format for our students.  We?re not arguing for the provision of perfectly tagged PDFs from publishers to serve all students.  We, as providers, are asking that you continue to provide us with the PDFs we can use to create the format THAT THE STUDENT NEEDS.  We are, at our very base, doing what we do for STUDENTS.  Publishers are doing what they need to do for PROFITS.  We are coming from two different places, but we just wish publishers would stop pushing formats on us that our students do not need or want, or have trouble accessing.

Please, just give us PDFs when we ask for them.  Is that really so hard?  Keep producing all the locked in, need-yet-another-app-to read stuff you want and putting it out there, but when we, the providers for students with disabilities, ask for a file we can work with to create accessible format for a student, can you just give us that thing?



From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Rachel Comerford
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 7:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Hi Susan!
Adobe Digital Editions (ADE) is one of the many readers that will open epubs. It isn't a proprietary format (although they may have a format that they push as well). ADE is the platform (like ibooks, kindle, vitalsource, redshelf, and others) and EPUB is the format of the content (basically all of the text, design files, navigation files, etc). Students who use Kurzweil or Read and Write Gold can also open epubs in those platforms although those companies are in the process of doing some updating to allow for more ease of use of epub.

My favorite epub reader for textbooks is vitalsource. It's free to download the reader and the company has worked really closely with Benetech and DAISY to build an accessible ebook reader. There are a lot of good ones out there though.

I wholeheartedly believe that PDFs were a good solution for students using AT but EPUBs are a better one. The accessibility metadata that can be built into them, the clear navigation without remediation, and the ability to resize and reflow text (no more horizontal scrolling!!) are just a few reasons.

Just my 2 cents in case it helps. I know there will be some talk about this at AHEAD and AHG this year - maybe we'll get a chance to meet there!

If the file is DRM'd - have you tried reaching out through BookShare or AccessText Network for a file that isn't? I know we provide DRM-free files via those libraries... I'm sure other publishers do to.

Rachel

Rachel Comerford | Senior Director of Content Standards and Accessibility | T 212.576.9433

Macmillan Learning


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Removing DRM to produce an accessible file for a student with a disability is legally allowed.  Converting any type of file to another type of file for accessibility purposes is legally allowed.

We are not "illegals!"

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
303-735-4836



From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>
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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

FYI, DRM (digital rights management) was developed to protect the copyright and control the distribution of the content.
Be careful what you post on a public list! <grin>

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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Thanks, Bevi.  I will likely be experimenting with some cracking, to see if I can get it out of DRM.

I've had success in the past doing this.  This will be no different.

-Susan

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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Adobe Digital Editions is a proprietary eBook format (not EPUB) that does indeed require software or plug-ins in order to access the file.

Since its proprietary rather than open source, we generally stay away from it. Plus, Adobe charges a small fortune to developers to create and publish titles in Adobe Digital Editions.

And it's not EPUB, the universal open source ebook reader file format that pretty much anyone can open on any device.

Adobe's website does say it is now accessible. See https://www.adobe.com/solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html

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Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Sorry for the cross-posting...some of you may see this more than once.

A colleague brought this to my attention.  My understanding was that Jaws could read EPUBs already, but one she just received from a publisher requires the download/installation/use of Adobe Digital Editions in addition to Jaws to read.

Is this new, or have I missed something?  Since publishers are now foisting ePubs onto us, I need to know if we are going to run into these types of problems.  "It will work, but, you need this thing and this thing and this other thing too..."

My biggest gripe is needing to give students yet another way they have to read their materials, when what they had in the first place was working just fine before publishers decided to take it upon themselves to tell us what our students need and want.

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
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Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
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This has been an interesting thread.  I have encountered where there has only been one type of document type available depending on the book when I request through Access Text, so I understand that issue.  I am at a community college, so my student numbers and needs are different than that of a 4 year school. I do have some using additional software or apps as they choose and we are a bring your own device school as well.  When I meet with students who are receiving alt format, I provide them with an overview of the types of options they can use to read the text.

I?d be interested in hearing from others about this issue, as well as what the reading group that has been testing reading systems for accessibility from DIAGRAM center may offer as well.  DIAGRAM is working closely with publishers- so there may be some folks on this list that can weigh in.

Looking forward to learning more from this discussion.


Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P.<http://www.resna.org/atp-general-info>, C.P.A.A.C.<http://www.accessibilityassociation.org/cpacccertification>
Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community College
865-694-6751
865-539-7699 (fax)

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From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 5:28 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Alice, here?s the thing?

Are every single one of our students using Kurzweil?

No?  Didn?t think so.

This is a case of the publisher deciding what our students need.  I have some students using Kurzweil.  I have some using Adobe Reader and their built-in text-to-speech on a Mac.  I have some using their purchased version of Natural Reader.  I have some students who are blind and using screen readers with Word files, or enlarging text from the PDF.

Our output is determined by what students need.  And Kurzweil is just one small aspect of that.  So ePubs can be read in Kurzweil.  Great!  That works for the 30 or so students that use Kurzweil on my campus.  What about the other 75 that use something else?

I want publishers to stop responding to our requests for a PDF with ?the student can read it using VitalSource? or ?here?s the ePub? or ?here?s a code so the student can read it on our proprietary portal.?  NONE of this is their business, nor their decision to make.  That is for the student and the provider to determine.  Publishers need to stay completely out of it, and stop locking down the format they DO provide so that we can?t get into it, ala Adobe Digital Editions-locked down ePubs.

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
303-735-4836



From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D.
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 3:19 PM
To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

I have been able to open epub books in Kurzweil 3000.  I download all of our files to a secure drive, then just use the File and Open command to open the epub into Kurzweil.

The issue is one that someone else posted about page numbers matching.  Also, if you have students using Kurzweil to highlight and extract notes, having the book all in one file poses issues.  If the student highlights and extracts notes later in the book, it extracts all the notes from all of the previous chapters again.  For some students, this makes it difficult.  Using the page range option in Kurzweil, I can pull out chapters fairly quickly and send them to the student?s cloud.   Then they can highlight and extract one chapter at a time.

I have Kurzweil 16 on order, so there may be some new features in the newer version that will also assist.
Alice


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From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 4:46 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

I just made a request from Macmillan, received an ePub file. My computer couldn?t find a suitable software to open the file. Sent a message to the publisher via Access Text asking for a PDF. I don?t feel that I, nor my student, should have to download additional software when what he uses (Kurzweil) works just fine for his needs!

Here we go again, another Cengage type issue trying to force their (publisher) preferred format at me. I would rather scan the book than be forced to use it as ePub!

Just my 2 cents.

Bryon

Bryon Kluesner, RhD
Adaptive Technology Coordinator
Disability Resource Center
Adjunct Professor
College of Health, Education & Professional Studies


The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
103 Frist Hall
615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953
Chattanooga, TN 37403

(423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc<http://www.utc.edu/dean-students>



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From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:44 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

With all due respect, Rachel?you are speaking from the perspective of a publisher.  You don?t know our students.  You don?t know our needs, or theirs.  You don?t know how frustrating it is for us in the business of creating accessible content to have to jump through a thousand hoops just to be able to give a student what they need to get through their reading.  You are making non-information-based assumptions about our students and how they need to access materials.  Let me lay it out for you:


1.       You just said that we need to have a special reader to read ePubs.  Whether that is YET ANOTHER APP or program, or another plugin, you are asking our students to do YET ONE MORE THING to have access to the materials their other classmates have access to readily and easily and without plugins, programs, or other hoops to jump through.

2.       You assume every student is using Kurzweil or Read and Write Gold.  What?  WHAT?? Do you even do research on what people are using to read with before you make these assumptions?

3.       Vitalsource?  Give me a break.  The quality of files on there leave a LOT to be desired.

4.       Vital Source, ADE, Kobo, Amazon Kindle, etc. are all forcing people to be locked into a particular platform and a particular method of access. Additionally, not a single one of these platforms contain ALL of the materials a student may need to access throughout their career.  So, they need to have an app or program or login to a platform for each and every thing, and each one may be different.  i.e., if it is this kind of file, you open this program.  If it is this other kind of file, you open this OTHER program.  And here, here?s ANOTHER file that you need this other app to be able to use. And this one needs a login to an online source, so make sure you have the Internet before you try to read it!

5.       How do ANY of these platforms give us access for students who are blind?  Is there Braille in there?  Nice clean text/Word files they can access with a screen reader?  Perfectly tagged HTML that will never barf and always has images alt-tagged and all data behind graphics outlined clearly? I?m just betting not.  You assume it?s just ?no big thing? to have a blind student need to download another thing, to access this thing, that a screen reader may or may not be able to navigate.  Again, making assumptions about what our students need or want.

Please understand, Rachel, that we are in the business of legally-mandated provision of alternate format for our students.  We?re not arguing for the provision of perfectly tagged PDFs from publishers to serve all students.  We, as providers, are asking that you continue to provide us with the PDFs we can use to create the format THAT THE STUDENT NEEDS.  We are, at our very base, doing what we do for STUDENTS.  Publishers are doing what they need to do for PROFITS.  We are coming from two different places, but we just wish publishers would stop pushing formats on us that our students do not need or want, or have trouble accessing.

Please, just give us PDFs when we ask for them.  Is that really so hard?  Keep producing all the locked in, need-yet-another-app-to read stuff you want and putting it out there, but when we, the providers for students with disabilities, ask for a file we can work with to create accessible format for a student, can you just give us that thing?



From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Rachel Comerford
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 7:07 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Hi Susan!
Adobe Digital Editions (ADE) is one of the many readers that will open epubs. It isn't a proprietary format (although they may have a format that they push as well). ADE is the platform (like ibooks, kindle, vitalsource, redshelf, and others) and EPUB is the format of the content (basically all of the text, design files, navigation files, etc). Students who use Kurzweil or Read and Write Gold can also open epubs in those platforms although those companies are in the process of doing some updating to allow for more ease of use of epub.

My favorite epub reader for textbooks is vitalsource. It's free to download the reader and the company has worked really closely with Benetech and DAISY to build an accessible ebook reader. There are a lot of good ones out there though.

I wholeheartedly believe that PDFs were a good solution for students using AT but EPUBs are a better one. The accessibility metadata that can be built into them, the clear navigation without remediation, and the ability to resize and reflow text (no more horizontal scrolling!!) are just a few reasons.

Just my 2 cents in case it helps. I know there will be some talk about this at AHEAD and AHG this year - maybe we'll get a chance to meet there!

If the file is DRM'd - have you tried reaching out through BookShare or AccessText Network for a file that isn't? I know we provide DRM-free files via those libraries... I'm sure other publishers do to.

Rachel

Rachel Comerford | Senior Director of Content Standards and Accessibility | T 212.576.9433

Macmillan Learning


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From: Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu<mailto:Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu>>
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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to
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Removing DRM to produce an accessible file for a student with a disability is legally allowed.  Converting any type of file to another type of file for accessibility purposes is legally allowed.

We are not "illegals!"

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
303-735-4836



From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>
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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

FYI, DRM (digital rights management) was developed to protect the copyright and control the distribution of the content.
Be careful what you post on a public list! <grin>

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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu><mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>>> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
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To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu><mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Thanks, Bevi.  I will likely be experimenting with some cracking, to see if I can get it out of DRM.

I've had success in the past doing this.  This will be no different.

-Susan

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu><mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>>> On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com><mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Adobe Digital Editions is a proprietary eBook format (not EPUB) that does indeed require software or plug-ins in order to access the file.

Since its proprietary rather than open source, we generally stay away from it. Plus, Adobe charges a small fortune to developers to create and publish titles in Adobe Digital Editions.

And it's not EPUB, the universal open source ebook reader file format that pretty much anyone can open on any device.

Adobe's website does say it is now accessible. See https://www.adobe.com/solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html

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Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?

Sorry for the cross-posting...some of you may see this more than once.

A colleague brought this to my attention.  My understanding was that Jaws could read EPUBs already, but one she just received from a publisher requires the download/installation/use of Adobe Digital Editions in addition to Jaws to read.

Is this new, or have I missed something?  Since publishers are now foisting ePubs onto us, I need to know if we are going to run into these types of problems.  "It will work, but, you need this thing and this thing and this other thing too..."

My biggest gripe is needing to give students yet another way they have to read their materials, when what they had in the first place was working just fine before publishers decided to take it upon themselves to tell us what our students need and want.

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
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From: kruzel at augsburg.edu (Rachel Kruzel)
Date: Fri Jul 13 07:57:57 2018
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
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Hello,

In my opinion, observations, talking with colleagues, and working with
students, I'm not sure it could be put better than what Susan has said in
her last two emails. She's on point with what many people who work a lot
with alternative format textbooks/materials are facing when it comes to
students and textbooks. Assistive technology and digital files are not a
one size fits all for our students. Each student's needs are unique and
different. Much like we don't make blanket accommodations for our students
in other areas, we can't make blanket accommodations in regards to this
aspect of a student's accommodations either. DS offices are simply asking
for a choice in what we can provide to students, without the publishers
making this choice for us. All of us are working hard for our students, and
having these additional barriers is adding time, effort, and energy to our
already complex work.


Rachel

*Rachel Kruzel, ATP **| Assistive Technology & Accommodations Specialist*
*Assistive Technology Professional, RESNA Certified*

CLASS Office (Disability Resources) | Augsburg University
Direct: (612) 330-1353 | Appointments: (612) 330-1053
2211 Riverside Ave CB 57 | Minneapolis, MN 55454

Website:  http://www.augsburg.edu/class/
*Pronouns: She/Her/Hers*






On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 4:45 PM Wershing, Alice D. <adwershing@pstcc.edu>
wrote:

> This has been an interesting thread.  I have encountered where there has
> only been one type of document type available depending on the book when I
> request through Access Text, so I understand that issue.  I am at a
> community college, so my student numbers and needs are different than that
> of a 4 year school. I do have some using additional software or apps as
> they choose and we are a bring your own device school as well.  When I meet
> with students who are receiving alt format, I provide them with an overview
> of the types of options they can use to read the text.
>
>
>
> I?d be interested in hearing from others about this issue, as well as what
> the reading group that has been testing reading systems for accessibility
> from DIAGRAM center may offer as well.  DIAGRAM is working closely with
> publishers- so there may be some folks on this list that can weigh in.
>
>
>
> Looking forward to learning more from this discussion.
>
>
>
>
>
> Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. <http://www.resna.org/atp-general-info>,
> C.P.A.A.C. <http://www.accessibilityassociation.org/cpacccertification>
>
> Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community
> College
>
> 865-694-6751
>
> 865-539-7699 (fax)
>
>
>
> East TN Region Accessibility Specialist
> <http://www.tnecampus.info/specialists>
>
> Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus
>
>
>
> PSCC Access for All Blog <http://blogs.pstcc.edu/access4all/>
>
> PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page
> <https://m.facebook.com/psccdisabilityservices> (PSCC-Disability Services)
>
> PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed <https://twitter.com/Access4allPSCC>
> (@Access4allPSCC)
>
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> *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Susan Kelmer
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2018 5:28 PM
> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list@u.washington.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to
> read?
>
>
>
> Alice, here?s the thing?
>
>
>
> Are every single one of our students using Kurzweil?
>
>
>
> No?  Didn?t think so.
>
>
>
> This is a case of the publisher deciding what our students need.  I have
> some students using Kurzweil.  I have some using Adobe Reader and their
> built-in text-to-speech on a Mac.  I have some using their purchased
> version of Natural Reader.  I have some students who are blind and using
> screen readers with Word files, or enlarging text from the PDF.
>
>
>
> Our output is determined by what students need.  And Kurzweil is just one
> small aspect of that.  So ePubs can be read in Kurzweil.  Great!  That
> works for the 30 or so students that use Kurzweil on my campus.  What about
> the other 75 that use something else?
>
>
>
> I want publishers to stop responding to our requests for a PDF with ?the
> student can read it using VitalSource? or ?here?s the ePub? or ?here?s a
> code so the student can read it on our proprietary portal.?  NONE of this
> is their business, nor their decision to make.  That is for the student and
> the provider to determine.  Publishers need to stay completely out of it,
> and stop locking down the format they DO provide so that we can?t get into
> it, ala Adobe Digital Editions-locked down ePubs.
>
>
>
> *Susan Kelmer*
>
> *Alternate Format Production Program Manager*
>
> *Disability Services*
>
> *University of Colorado Boulder*
>
> *303-735-4836*
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *Wershing, Alice D.
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2018 3:19 PM
> *To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <
> athen-list@u.washington.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to
> read?
>
>
>
> I have been able to open epub books in Kurzweil 3000.  I download all of
> our files to a secure drive, then just use the File and Open command to
> open the epub into Kurzweil.
>
>
>
> The issue is one that someone else posted about page numbers matching.
> Also, if you have students using Kurzweil to highlight and extract notes,
> having the book all in one file poses issues.  If the student highlights
> and extracts notes later in the book, it extracts all the notes from all of
> the previous chapters again.  For some students, this makes it difficult.
> Using the page range option in Kurzweil, I can pull out chapters fairly
> quickly and send them to the student?s cloud.   Then they can highlight and
> extract one chapter at a time.
>
>
>
> I have Kurzweil 16 on order, so there may be some new features in the
> newer version that will also assist.
>
> Alice
>
>
>
>
>
> Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P. <http://www.resna.org/atp-general-info>,
> C.P.A.A.C.
> <http://secure-web.cisco.com/1tVLAH_EHl1tQhVFhMDyHhogTYHodkp-buh0p2Ql8Kd5hcl9JZrsgAHRkLF_2DB8LSWykaGpfLV6ZRsU1eoaUBMUxd7KFlubBFW2gLkhgmlh_PzQA7SOi3rVgdraN8Iz4MOKFcP0tZa9Bgj6UX6-QXrQZxLPufQEe3QbU-vEGX7mESgeYJefMllaz0BXKra13W2RVNFmNqXTa4VSp88WMh__20c8j2zCfvF_JVRG-EYUBs3yd008uffuuzjDukdUm42ZN3ACQQc-1nLwQiFW_7pDYQVsw9JXF1k3jcFBLTKEpBnYrjz5A2eKrTTDofcH2yb8b35JQkPFIuawyMJVxc7DoA35r59kPXzm_ahWFh0efSH3JHmhuTOIHQBWra3ICYoA663D-W8Y2O775TVq4Fb6kbDgs42Q-iihgKfqxE7FZp3sK4iGdDC2SK3CaV5-cE1wC8zu_SpDNd_ZNy3qZ1g/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.accessibilityassociation.org%2Fcpacccertification>
>
> Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community
> College
>
> 865-694-6751
>
> 865-539-7699 (fax)
>
>
>
> East TN Region Accessibility Specialist
> <http://secure-web.cisco.com/19ggGEHvcG5iRYOuK8-R1EPjfurMcEL_1ZzteQIhUbINHyIboN18bunw6a-VTtTwTl7W4feX1aDcabshm_RRx_QgsaXb47CKYQ1VX55M3SSYoiaoUqfwWxUd3VzxQkOrxtFsywRmsIVIOwlyggqSdtjgP5DIptzk-yU4ZCOfn6gduk0tBREXTkJR2nFFVL92CNYNOozdh--xKuOllV4G6QJhBZ7pqFw4cwg00RDeqB5hT4QIr2a7Ruiq0rWmFqSVTr-PSCOSUjTR-eonbfzdn3Xxz-9FAsGCmVoNV8wVtAhdC2-IjMoDRNsfptoxuresXVn5NE51ByWMiy5CG3XBY9ZhNXkh-byHaZ57YMNwcoNBrSnJB7TKLUbUDNazbOh_o44UYlMADWL4LTDilrRnzEf8yTm7k8UKsorhxsx-LhM5jYt3qfMovBFNzQLm6eV5n12E_y1J9MGKtrKKIJam9_A/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tnecampus.info%2Fspecialists>
>
> Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus
>
>
>
> PSCC Access for All Blog <http://blogs.pstcc.edu/access4all/>
>
> PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page
> <https://m.facebook.com/psccdisabilityservices> (PSCC-Disability Services)
>
> PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed <https://twitter.com/Access4allPSCC>
> (@Access4allPSCC)
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> *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu
> <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Kluesner,
> Bryon
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2018 4:46 PM
> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list@u.washington.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to
> read?
>
>
>
> I just made a request from Macmillan, received an ePub file. My computer
> couldn?t find a suitable software to open the file. Sent a message to the
> publisher via Access Text asking for a PDF. I don?t feel that I, nor my
> student, should have to download additional software when what he uses
> (Kurzweil) works just fine for his needs!
>
>
>
> Here we go again, another Cengage type issue trying to force their
> (publisher) preferred format at me. I would rather scan the book than be
> forced to use it as ePub!
>
>
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
>
>
> Bryon
>
>
>
> *Bryon Kluesner, RhD*
>
> *Adaptive Technology Coordinator*
>
> *Disability Resource Center*
>
> *Adjunct Professor*
>
> *College of Health, Education & Professional Studies*
>
> *The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga*
> 103 Frist Hall
> 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953
>
> Chattanooga, TN 37403
>
>
>
> (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc <http://www.utc.edu/dean-students>
>
>
> *A member of the **Division of Student Development*
> <http://www.utc.edu/student-development>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu
> <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Susan
> Kelmer
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:44 AM
> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list@u.washington.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to
> read?
>
>
>
> With all due respect, Rachel?you are speaking from the perspective of a
> publisher.  You don?t know our students.  You don?t know our needs, or
> theirs.  You don?t know how frustrating it is for us in the business of
> creating accessible content to have to jump through a thousand hoops just
> to be able to give a student what they need to get through their reading.
> You are making non-information-based assumptions about our students and how
> they need to access materials.  Let me lay it out for you:
>
>
>
> 1.       You just said that we need to have a special reader to read
> ePubs.  Whether that is YET ANOTHER APP or program, or another plugin, you
> are asking our students to do YET ONE MORE THING to have access to the
> materials their other classmates have access to readily and easily and
> without plugins, programs, or other hoops to jump through.
>
> 2.       You assume every student is using Kurzweil or Read and Write
> Gold.  What?  WHAT?? Do you even do research on what people are using to
> read with before you make these assumptions?
>
> 3.       Vitalsource?  Give me a break.  The quality of files on there
> leave a LOT to be desired.
>
> 4.       Vital Source, ADE, Kobo, Amazon Kindle, etc. are all forcing
> people to be locked into a particular platform and a particular method of
> access. Additionally, not a single one of these platforms contain ALL of
> the materials a student may need to access throughout their career.  So,
> they need to have an app or program or login to a platform for each and
> every thing, and each one may be different.  i.e., if it is this kind of
> file, you open this program.  If it is this other kind of file, you open
> this OTHER program.  And here, here?s ANOTHER file that you need this other
> app to be able to use. And this one needs a login to an online source, so
> make sure you have the Internet before you try to read it!
>
> 5.       How do ANY of these platforms give us access for students who
> are blind?  Is there Braille in there?  Nice clean text/Word files they can
> access with a screen reader?  Perfectly tagged HTML that will never barf
> and always has images alt-tagged and all data behind graphics outlined
> clearly? I?m just betting not.  You assume it?s just ?no big thing? to have
> a blind student need to download another thing, to access this thing, that
> a screen reader may or may not be able to navigate.  Again, making
> assumptions about what our students need or want.
>
>
>
> Please understand, Rachel, that we are in the business of legally-mandated
> provision of alternate format for our students.  We?re not arguing for the
> provision of perfectly tagged PDFs from publishers to serve all students.
> We, as providers, are asking that you continue to provide us with the PDFs
> we can use to create the format THAT THE STUDENT NEEDS.  We are, at our
> very base, doing what we do for STUDENTS.  Publishers are doing what they
> need to do for PROFITS.  We are coming from two different places, but we
> just wish publishers would stop pushing formats on us that our students do
> not need or want, or have trouble accessing.
>
>
>
> Please, just give us PDFs when we ask for them.  Is that really so hard?
> Keep producing all the locked in, need-yet-another-app-to read stuff you
> want and putting it out there, but when we, the providers for students with
> disabilities, ask for a file we can work with to create accessible format
> for a student, can you just give us that thing?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *Rachel Comerford
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2018 7:07 PM
> *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to
> read?
>
>
>
> Hi Susan!
>
> Adobe Digital Editions (ADE) is one of the many readers that will open
> epubs. It isn't a proprietary format (although they may have a format that
> they push as well). ADE is the platform (like ibooks, kindle, vitalsource,
> redshelf, and others) and EPUB is the format of the content (basically all
> of the text, design files, navigation files, etc). Students who use
> Kurzweil or Read and Write Gold can also open epubs in those platforms
> although those companies are in the process of doing some updating to allow
> for more ease of use of epub.
>
>
>
> My favorite epub reader for textbooks is vitalsource. It's free to
> download the reader and the company has worked really closely with Benetech
> and DAISY to build an accessible ebook reader. There are a lot of good ones
> out there though.
>
>
>
> I wholeheartedly believe that PDFs were a good solution for students using
> AT but EPUBs are a better one. The accessibility metadata that can be built
> into them, the clear navigation without remediation, and the ability to
> resize and reflow text (no more horizontal scrolling!!) are just a few
> reasons.
>
>
>
> Just my 2 cents in case it helps. I know there will be some talk about
> this at AHEAD and AHG this year - maybe we'll get a chance to meet there!
>
>
>
> If the file is DRM'd - have you tried reaching out through BookShare or
> AccessText Network for a file that isn't? I know we provide DRM-free files
> via those libraries... I'm sure other publishers do to.
>
>
>
> Rachel
>
>
>
> Rachel Comerford | Senior Director of Content Standards and Accessibility
> | T 212.576.9433
>
> *Macmillan Learning*
>
>
>
>
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 17:44:33 +0000
> From: Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
>         <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to
>         read?
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> Removing DRM to produce an accessible file for a student with a disability
> is legally allowed.  Converting any type of file to another type of file
> for accessibility purposes is legally allowed.
>
> We are not "illegals!"
>
> Susan Kelmer
> Alternate Format Production Program Manager
> Disability Services
> University of Colorado Boulder
> 303-735-4836
>
>
>
> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On
> Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2018 11:40 AM
> To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <
> athen-list@u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
>
> FYI, DRM (digital rights management) was developed to protect the
> copyright and control the distribution of the content.
> Be careful what you post on a public list! <grin>
>
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>
>
> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:
> athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 12:20 PM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
>
> Thanks, Bevi.  I will likely be experimenting with some cracking, to see
> if I can get it out of DRM.
>
> I've had success in the past doing this.  This will be no different.
>
> -Susan
>
> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:
> athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of
> chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 10:01 AM
> To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <
> athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
>
> Adobe Digital Editions is a proprietary eBook format (not EPUB) that does
> indeed require software or plug-ins in order to access the file.
>
> Since its proprietary rather than open source, we generally stay away from
> it. Plus, Adobe charges a small fortune to developers to create and publish
> titles in Adobe Digital Editions.
>
> And it's not EPUB, the universal open source ebook reader file format that
> pretty much anyone can open on any device.
>
> Adobe's website does say it is now accessible. See
> https://www.adobe.com/solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html
>
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>
>
> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:
> athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 10:51 AM
> To: ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET<mailto:ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET>;
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> <mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>; athes@lists.colorado.edu<mailto:
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> Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
>
> Sorry for the cross-posting...some of you may see this more than once.
>
> A colleague brought this to my attention.  My understanding was that Jaws
> could read EPUBs already, but one she just received from a publisher
> requires the download/installation/use of Adobe Digital Editions in
> addition to Jaws to read.
>
> Is this new, or have I missed something?  Since publishers are now
> foisting ePubs onto us, I need to know if we are going to run into these
> types of problems.  "It will work, but, you need this thing and this thing
> and this other thing too..."
>
> My biggest gripe is needing to give students yet another way they have to
> read their materials, when what they had in the first place was working
> just fine before publishers decided to take it upon themselves to tell us
> what our students need and want.
>
> Susan Kelmer
> Alternate Format Production Program Manager
> Disability Services
> University of Colorado Boulder
> 303-735-4836
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From skeegan at ccctechcenter.org  Fri Jul 13 10:38:30 2018
From: skeegan at ccctechcenter.org (Sean Keegan)
Date: Fri Jul 13 10:38:50 2018
Subject: [Athen] Mediawire accessible digital publishing platform?
Message-ID: <CADAROju4r+fXBrWse-rS4WXZkAFuAFUAqrf5KR1Uwx-bYTgY4A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Does anyone have experience or information about Mediawire's accessible
document platform? I received some information about it and am curious what
it actually does.

See http://mediawiremobile.com/

The marketing information is using many of the common phrases we hear in
higher education and how their solution can streamline the creation and
delivery of documents into accessible formats. However, even after
reviewing their website, I don't really know what is being offered. Anyone
have experience with Mediawire and their accessible digital publishing
platform?

Feel free to contact me off list, if you prefer.

Thanks,
Sean
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From Shaun.Hegney at sfcc.spokane.edu  Fri Jul 13 13:55:07 2018
From: Shaun.Hegney at sfcc.spokane.edu (Hegney, Shaun)
Date: Fri Jul 13 13:55:25 2018
Subject: [Athen] Abby Fine Reader which version
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Hello all,

I am just curious if you use Abby Fine Reader for textbook or document conversion, what version do you use (Standard / Corporate / Enterprise)? I have used V14 Standard edition for a while now it and it works for normal conversion. However, we are getting a canon high-speed scanner and I am just curious if a corporate or enterprise license are worth the money.

I do not foresee us converting more than a handful of books a quarter. I'm mostly interested in the extra automation features.

Thanks,

Shaun Hegney
Program Specialist 2
Disability Support Services
Spokane Falls Community College
(509)-533-3544
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Jul 14 08:59:45 2018
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat Jul 14 09:00:03 2018
Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to  read?
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At some point, in the future, I believe, ePub 
will become the norm. First, two things need to 
happen, the readers need to become ubiquitous. 
Edge reading ePub's will help, but still need to 
go some. Secondly, there need to be good 
solutions to the page numbering problem.

Twenty, or twenty-five years ago if publishers 
had said we will only give you PDF's, you would have been outraged.

ePub's are easier to make accessible, at least 
for the publishers, and have advantages like text reflow.

None of this solves your problems today -- this is a transition time.

Dave

At 09:43 AM 7/12/2018, you wrote:
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>With all due respect, Rachel???you are speaking 
>from the perspective of a publisher.  You 
>don???t know our students.  You don???t know our 
>needs, or theirs.  You don???t know how 
>frustrating it is for us in the business of 
>creating accessible content to have to jump 
>through a thousand hoops just to be able to give 
>a student what they need to get through their 
>reading.  You are making non-information-based 
>assumptions about our students and how they need 
>to access materials.  Let me lay it out for you:
>
>1.       You just said that we need to have a 
>special reader to read ePubs.  Whether that is 
>YET ANOTHER APP or program, or another plugin, 
>you are asking our students to do YET ONE MORE 
>THING to have access to the materials their 
>other classmates have access to readily and 
>easily and without plugins, programs, or other hoops to jump through.
>2.       You assume every student is using 
>Kurzweil or Read and Write Gold.  What?  WHAT?? 
>Do you even do research on what people are using 
>to read with before you make these assumptions?
>3.       Vitalsource?  Give me a break.  The 
>quality of files on there leave a LOT to be desired.
>4.       Vital Source, ADE, Kobo, Amazon Kindle, 
>etc. are all forcing people to be locked into a 
>particular platform and a particular method of 
>access. Additionally, not a single one of these 
>platforms contain ALL of the materials a student 
>may need to access throughout their career.  So, 
>they need to have an app or program or login to 
>a platform for each and every thing, and each 
>one may be different.  i.e., if it is this kind 
>of file, you open this program.  If it is this 
>other kind of file, you open this OTHER 
>program.  And here, here???s ANOTHER file that 
>you need this other app to be able to use. And 
>this one needs a login to an online source, so 
>make sure you have the Internet before you try to read it!
>5.       How do ANY of these platforms give us 
>access for students who are blind?  Is there 
>Braille in there?  Nice clean text/Word files 
>they can access with a screen reader?  Perfectly 
>tagged HTML that will never barf and always has 
>images alt-tagged and all data behind graphics 
>outlined clearly? I???m just betting not.  You 
>assume it???s just ???no big thing??? to have a 
>blind student need to download another thing, to 
>access this thing, that a screen reader may or 
>may not be able to navigate.  Again, making 
>assumptions about what our students need or want.
>
>Please understand, Rachel, that we are in the 
>business of legally-mandated provision of 
>alternate format for our students.  We???re not 
>arguing for the provision of perfectly tagged 
>PDFs from publishers to serve all students.  We, 
>as providers, are asking that you continue to 
>provide us with the PDFs we can use to create 
>the format THAT THE STUDENT NEEDS.  We are, at 
>our very base, doing what we do for 
>STUDENTS.  Publishers are doing what they need 
>to do for PROFITS.  We are coming from two 
>different places, but we just wish publishers 
>would stop pushing formats on us that our 
>students do not need or want, or have trouble accessing.
>
>Please, just give us PDFs when we ask for 
>them.  Is that really so hard?  Keep producing 
>all the locked in, need-yet-another-app-to read 
>stuff you want and putting it out there, but 
>when we, the providers for students with 
>disabilities, ask for a file we can work with to 
>create accessible format for a student, can you just give us that thing?
>
>
>
>From: athen-list 
><athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Rachel Comerford
>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 7:07 PM
>To: athen-list@u.washington.edu
>Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
>
>Hi Susan!
>Adobe Digital Editions (ADE) is one of the many 
>readers that will open epubs. It isn't a 
>proprietary format (although they may have a 
>format that they push as well). ADE is the 
>platform (like ibooks, kindle, vitalsource, 
>redshelf, and others) and EPUB is the format of 
>the content (basically all of the text, design 
>files, navigation files, etc). Students who use 
>Kurzweil or Read and Write Gold can also open 
>epubs in those platforms although those 
>companies are in the process of doing some 
>updating to allow for more ease of use of epub.
>
>My favorite epub reader for textbooks is 
>vitalsource. It's free to download the reader 
>and the company has worked really closely with 
>Benetech and DAISY to build an accessible ebook 
>reader. There are a lot of good ones out there though.
>
>I wholeheartedly believe that PDFs were a good 
>solution for students using AT but EPUBs are a 
>better one. The accessibility metadata that can 
>be built into them, the clear navigation without 
>remediation, and the ability to resize and 
>reflow text (no more horizontal scrolling!!) are just a few reasons.
>
>Just my 2 cents in case it helps. I know there 
>will be some talk about this at AHEAD and AHG 
>this year - maybe we'll get a chance to meet there!
>
>If the file is DRM'd - have you tried reaching 
>out through BookShare or AccessText Network for 
>a file that isn't? I know we provide DRM-free 
>files via those libraries... I'm sure other publishers do to.
>
>Rachel
>
>Rachel Comerford | Senior Director of Content 
>Standards and Accessibility | T 212.576.9433
>
>Macmillan Learning
>
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 17:44:33 +0000
>From: Susan Kelmer 
><<mailto:Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu>Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu>
>To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
>         <<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>athen-list@u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to
>         read?
>Message-ID:
> 
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>Removing DRM to produce an accessible file for a 
>student with a disability is legally 
>allowed.  Converting any type of file to another 
>type of file for accessibility purposes is legally allowed.
>
>We are not "illegals!"
>
>Susan Kelmer
>Alternate Format Production Program Manager
>Disability Services
>University of Colorado Boulder
>303-735-4836
>
>
>
>From: athen-list 
><<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> 
>On Behalf Of <mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>chagnon@pubcom.com
>Sent: Monday, July 09, 2018 11:40 AM
>To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' 
><<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>athen-list@u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
>
>FYI, DRM (digital rights management) was 
>developed to protect the copyright and control the distribution of the content.
>Be careful what you post on a public list! <grin>
>
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>Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO  |  Bevi@PubCom.com<mailto:Bevi@PubCom.com>
>- - -
>PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing
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>- - -
>
>
>From: athen-list 
><<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> 
>On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
>Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 12:20 PM
>To: Access Technology Higher Education Network 
><<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
>Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
>
>Thanks, Bevi.  I will likely be experimenting 
>with some cracking, to see if I can get it out of DRM.
>
>I've had success in the past doing this.  This will be no different.
>
>-Susan
>
>From: athen-list 
><<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> 
>On Behalf Of 
><mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>chagnon@pubcom.com<mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com>
>Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 10:01 AM
>To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' 
><<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
>Subject: Re: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
>
>Adobe Digital Editions is a proprietary eBook 
>format (not EPUB) that does indeed require 
>software or plug-ins in order to access the file.
>
>Since its proprietary rather than open source, 
>we generally stay away from it. Plus, Adobe 
>charges a small fortune to developers to create 
>and publish titles in Adobe Digital Editions.
>
>And it's not EPUB, the universal open source 
>ebook reader file format that pretty much anyone can open on any device.
>
>Adobe's website does say it is now accessible. 
>See 
><https://www.adobe.com/solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html>https://www.adobe.com/solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html
>
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>Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO  |  Bevi@PubCom.com<mailto:Bevi@PubCom.com>
>- - -
>PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing
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>
>
>From: athen-list 
><<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> 
>On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
>Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 10:51 AM
>To: 
><mailto:ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET>ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET<mailto:ALTMEDIA@LISTSERV.CCCNEXT.NET>; 
>Access Technology Higher Education Network 
><<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>; 
>athes@lists.colorado.edu<mailto:athes@lists.colorado.edu>
>Subject: [Athen] ePubs need Adobe Digital Editions PLUS Jaws to read?
>
>Sorry for the cross-posting...some of you may see this more than once.
>
>A colleague brought this to my attention.  My 
>understanding was that Jaws could read EPUBs 
>already, but one she just received from a 
>publisher requires the download/installation/use 
>of Adobe Digital Editions in addition to Jaws to read.
>
>Is this new, or have I missed something?  Since 
>publishers are now foisting ePubs onto us, I 
>need to know if we are going to run into these 
>types of problems.  "It will work, but, you need 
>this thing and this thing and this other thing too..."
>
>My biggest gripe is needing to give students yet 
>another way they have to read their materials, 
>when what they had in the first place was 
>working just fine before publishers decided to 
>take it upon themselves to tell us what our students need and want.
>
>Susan Kelmer
>Alternate Format Production Program Manager
>Disability Services
>University of Colorado Boulder
>303-735-4836
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From CHerrera at qcc.cuny.edu  Mon Jul 16 07:13:44 2018
From: CHerrera at qcc.cuny.edu (Herrera, Carlos M.)
Date: Mon Jul 16 07:14:05 2018
Subject: [Athen] IT Accessibility position at City University of NY
Message-ID: <d15d4727069c4864a5268bd97770bcc5@EXCH131.qcc.edu>

Good morning:

The City University of New York Central office for IT is currently recruiting an IT Accessibility Program Officer. This is an important step in ensuring accessibility of IT products and services across the University.

Information on this position and application are available at:

https://cuny.jobs/new-york-ny/it-accessibility-program-officer/41DF7E6D1332430BB248FD8E71B5DAA3/job/

thank you

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From: k.weberhottleman at uconn.edu (Weber-Hottleman, Kathryn)
Date: Mon Jul 16 11:55:52 2018
Subject: [Athen] Math Accessibility
Message-ID: <DM5PR05MB3274C32B9EDFEC0F8C013496975D0@DM5PR05MB3274.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hello all,

We're currently exploring how to make math textbooks accessible, whether these textbooks come as PDFs, ePubs, or Word documents.  Does anyone have any experience with authoring accessible math content?  We're looking at MathML, MathType, LaTeX (which I've read is not the most accessible), and MathJax.  

We're also looking at the equation editor Blackboard uses.  Does anyone have any experience using this?  Or does anyone know how students have received Blackboard equations?

Best,
Kathryn

Kathryn Weber-Hottleman
IT Accessibility Coordinator

Information Technology Services
University of Connecticut| Temporary Administration Building
25 Gampel Service Drive, Unit 1138 | Storrs, CT 06269-1138
k.weberhottleman@uconn.edu
From deb.castiglione at cengage.com  Thu Jul 19 06:30:45 2018
From: deb.castiglione at cengage.com (Castiglione, Deb A)
Date: Thu Jul 19 06:31:19 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
Message-ID: <61B9C8EC-C899-4029-BE47-CA0C9F7E6B68@cengage.com>

I?ve asked previously about a screen reader/browser combination matrix, which does not appear to exist. It has been suggested that testing be performed on the current and prior version of JAWS and Internet Explorer, NVDA and Firefox, and VoiceOver on iOS. I?m also familiar with the WebAIM survey and results.

I was curious, however, what the most popular combination is for students in higher education. And, are HE students using Chrome? Any input you can provide is greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
Deb


What is ?essential for some? is almost always ?good for all? (Meyer, Rose, and Gordon, 2014).

Deb Castiglione, EdD, ATP
Director, Universal Design & Accessible Technologies
Learning Center of Excellence
Cengage
5191 Natorp Boulevard, Mason, OH 45040
513-229-1654 / 513-309-6262
deb.castiglione@cengage.com<mailto:deb.castiglione@cengage.com>

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From travis at travisroth.com  Thu Jul 19 06:47:46 2018
From: travis at travisroth.com (travis@travisroth.com)
Date: Thu Jul 19 06:48:04 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
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While I am not in a position to know what students use, Chrome is certainly supported by JAWS and NVDA and is used by many users at large.

Internet Explorer can still be used but seems to be for more specialized cases now such as older enterprise applications. For general web browsing, it just has gotten to old. And Microsoft is not updating it. If you?re developing a new web application, Internet Explorer plus screen reader testing would not be at the top of my list.

(Edge support by screen readers is improving but it is not ready for prime time either.)

Travis

 

 

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Castiglione, Deb A
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:31 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination

 

I?ve asked previously about a screen reader/browser combination matrix, which does not appear to exist. It has been suggested that testing be performed on the current and prior version of JAWS and Internet Explorer, NVDA and Firefox, and VoiceOver on iOS. I?m also familiar with the WebAIM survey and results. 

 

I was curious, however, what the most popular combination is for students in higher education. And, are HE students using Chrome? Any input you can provide is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks.

Deb

 

 

What is ?essential for some? is almost always ?good for all? (Meyer, Rose, and Gordon, 2014).

 

Deb Castiglione, EdD, ATP

Director, Universal Design & Accessible Technologies

Learning Center of Excellence

Cengage

5191 Natorp Boulevard, Mason, OH 45040

513-229-1654 / 513-309-6262

deb.castiglione@cengage.com <mailto:deb.castiglione@cengage.com> 

 

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From rspangler1 at udayton.edu  Thu Jul 19 07:16:21 2018
From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler)
Date: Thu Jul 19 07:19:27 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
In-Reply-To: <61B9C8EC-C899-4029-BE47-CA0C9F7E6B68@cengage.com>
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I'm no longer a student, but at one time I was - a blind student!  At that
time I was using Firefox with NVDA but nowadays I am using Chrome, since it
has improved to a usable level.  I would never suggest Internet Explorer as
most development work now is put towards Firefox/Chrome and improving their
access with screen readers.  Basically, you should be OK with JAWS/NVDA
with Firefox and Chrome.  I use Chrome as my main browser, with Firefox as
my secondary in case something doesn't work well with Chrome.

Chrome is much snappier in performance than Firefox, even since the Quantum
update.  This has been my experience, at least.

Robert


On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Castiglione, Deb A <
deb.castiglione@cengage.com> wrote:

> I?ve asked previously about a screen reader/browser combination matrix,
> which does not appear to exist. It has been suggested that testing be
> performed on the current and prior version of JAWS and Internet Explorer,
> NVDA and Firefox, and VoiceOver on iOS. I?m also familiar with the WebAIM
> survey and results.
>
>
>
> I was curious, however, what the most popular combination is for students
> in higher education. And, are HE students using Chrome? Any input you can
> provide is greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Deb
>
>
>
>
>
> What is ?essential for some? is almost always ?good for all? (Meyer, Rose,
> and Gordon, 2014).
>
>
>
> Deb Castiglione, EdD, ATP
>
> Director, Universal Design & Accessible Technologies
>
> Learning Center of Excellence
>
> Cengage
>
> 5191 Natorp Boulevard, Mason, OH 45040
>
> 513-229-1654 / 513-309-6262
>
> deb.castiglione@cengage.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> athen-list mailing list
> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu
> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list
>
>


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Disability Services Technical Support Specialist
rspangler1@udayton.edu
Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023
Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
Phone: 937-229-2066
Fax: 937-229-3270
Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing)
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From rspangler1 at udayton.edu  Thu Jul 19 07:19:14 2018
From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler)
Date: Thu Jul 19 07:19:35 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
In-Reply-To: <04f401d41f67$13f01260$3bd03720$@travisroth.com>
References: <61B9C8EC-C899-4029-BE47-CA0C9F7E6B68@cengage.com>
	<04f401d41f67$13f01260$3bd03720$@travisroth.com>
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I just remembered something since you mentioned Edge.  I think the best
screen reader for Edge at this point is Narrator.  We should not forget
about Narrator, as Microsoft has put tons of work into making it a
fully-fledged screen reader.  It's fast and has incorporated many of the
features expected in a screen reader over the past year.  I think we will
start to see people using it for more than just doing maintenance on
machines, so we should take it into account.


On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:47 AM, <travis@travisroth.com> wrote:

> While I am not in a position to know what students use, Chrome is
> certainly supported by JAWS and NVDA and is used by many users at large.
>
> Internet Explorer can still be used but seems to be for more specialized
> cases now such as older enterprise applications. For general web browsing,
> it just has gotten to old. And Microsoft is not updating it. If you?re
> developing a new web application, Internet Explorer plus screen reader
> testing would not be at the top of my list.
>
> (Edge support by screen readers is improving but it is not ready for prime
> time either.)
>
> Travis
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *Castiglione, Deb A
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:31 AM
> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list@u.washington.edu>
> *Subject:* [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
>
>
>
> I?ve asked previously about a screen reader/browser combination matrix,
> which does not appear to exist. It has been suggested that testing be
> performed on the current and prior version of JAWS and Internet Explorer,
> NVDA and Firefox, and VoiceOver on iOS. I?m also familiar with the WebAIM
> survey and results.
>
>
>
> I was curious, however, what the most popular combination is for students
> in higher education. And, are HE students using Chrome? Any input you can
> provide is greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Deb
>
>
>
>
>
> What is ?essential for some? is almost always ?good for all? (Meyer, Rose,
> and Gordon, 2014).
>
>
>
> Deb Castiglione, EdD, ATP
>
> Director, Universal Design & Accessible Technologies
>
> Learning Center of Excellence
>
> Cengage
>
> 5191 Natorp Boulevard, Mason, OH 45040
>
> 513-229-1654 / 513-309-6262
>
> deb.castiglione@cengage.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> athen-list mailing list
> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu
> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list
>
>


-- 
Robert Spangler
Disability Services Technical Support Specialist
rspangler1@udayton.edu
Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023
Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
Phone: 937-229-2066
Fax: 937-229-3270
Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing)
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From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu  Thu Jul 19 07:37:33 2018
From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong)
Date: Thu Jul 19 07:37:50 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
In-Reply-To: <CAA6y2T4A_zuryS55iFMc6D+Fa7WxBLonEY7sHd-EbULNMLtVBA@mail.gmail.com>
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Agreeing with Robert. There are sites that no longer work at all with IE, visually or with a screen reader. My local paratransit service?s website is an example. You just get a blank screen when you access it with IE, and I mean visually blank!

So far I haven?t found anything that works better with Edge, though Microsoft keeps trying.

I think the reason such a matrix does not exist is how both browsers and screen readers are in constantly-changing active development.

So much that was once true about web access is no longer so. For example, I got a worried note from a dean of distance education at our sister college. She had reviewed some instructor courseware and he had OMG TABLES! Tables, she knew were not accessible, based on a web accessibility seminar she?d attended 20 years ago when she was an instructor and not a dean and where they used Lynx to demonstrate accessibility.

I assured her that this instructor?s tables were fine.

--Debee

--Debee


From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Spangler
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 7:16 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination

I'm no longer a student, but at one time I was - a blind student!  At that time I was using Firefox with NVDA but nowadays I am using Chrome, since it has improved to a usable level.  I would never suggest Internet Explorer as most development work now is put towards Firefox/Chrome and improving their access with screen readers.  Basically, you should be OK with JAWS/NVDA with Firefox and Chrome.  I use Chrome as my main browser, with Firefox as my secondary in case something doesn't work well with Chrome.

Chrome is much snappier in performance than Firefox, even since the Quantum update.  This has been my experience, at least.

Robert


On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Castiglione, Deb A <deb.castiglione@cengage.com<mailto:deb.castiglione@cengage.com>> wrote:
I?ve asked previously about a screen reader/browser combination matrix, which does not appear to exist. It has been suggested that testing be performed on the current and prior version of JAWS and Internet Explorer, NVDA and Firefox, and VoiceOver on iOS. I?m also familiar with the WebAIM survey and results.

I was curious, however, what the most popular combination is for students in higher education. And, are HE students using Chrome? Any input you can provide is greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
Deb


What is ?essential for some? is almost always ?good for all? (Meyer, Rose, and Gordon, 2014).

Deb Castiglione, EdD, ATP
Director, Universal Design & Accessible Technologies
Learning Center of Excellence
Cengage
5191 Natorp Boulevard, Mason, OH 45040
513-229-1654 / 513-309-6262
deb.castiglione@cengage.com<mailto:deb.castiglione@cengage.com>


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Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023
Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
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From frederick.273 at osu.edu  Thu Jul 19 07:48:32 2018
From: frederick.273 at osu.edu (Frederick, Kathryn A.)
Date: Thu Jul 19 07:48:40 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
In-Reply-To: <CAA6y2T4A_zuryS55iFMc6D+Fa7WxBLonEY7sHd-EbULNMLtVBA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAA6y2T4A_zuryS55iFMc6D+Fa7WxBLonEY7sHd-EbULNMLtVBA@mail.gmail.com>
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When we test websites for screen reader accessibility, we use NVDA and FireFox. Chrome presents some browser accessibility challenges, especially when using NVDA. I agree, we should all keep Narrator in the back of our minds concerning screen reader access.

Katie Frederick, Digital Accessibility Specialist

The Ohio State University

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Robert Spangler
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:16 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination

I'm no longer a student, but at one time I was - a blind student!  At that time I was using Firefox with NVDA but nowadays I am using Chrome, since it has improved to a usable level.  I would never suggest Internet Explorer as most development work now is put towards Firefox/Chrome and improving their access with screen readers.  Basically, you should be OK with JAWS/NVDA with Firefox and Chrome.  I use Chrome as my main browser, with Firefox as my secondary in case something doesn't work well with Chrome.

Chrome is much snappier in performance than Firefox, even since the Quantum update.  This has been my experience, at least.

Robert


On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Castiglione, Deb A <deb.castiglione@cengage.com<mailto:deb.castiglione@cengage.com>> wrote:
I?ve asked previously about a screen reader/browser combination matrix, which does not appear to exist. It has been suggested that testing be performed on the current and prior version of JAWS and Internet Explorer, NVDA and Firefox, and VoiceOver on iOS. I?m also familiar with the WebAIM survey and results.

I was curious, however, what the most popular combination is for students in higher education. And, are HE students using Chrome? Any input you can provide is greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
Deb


What is ?essential for some? is almost always ?good for all? (Meyer, Rose, and Gordon, 2014).

Deb Castiglione, EdD, ATP
Director, Universal Design & Accessible Technologies
Learning Center of Excellence
Cengage
5191 Natorp Boulevard, Mason, OH 45040
513-229-1654 / 513-309-6262
deb.castiglione@cengage.com<mailto:deb.castiglione@cengage.com>


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Disability Services Technical Support Specialist
rspangler1@udayton.edu<mailto:rspangler1@udayton.edu>
Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023
Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
Phone: 937-229-2066
Fax: 937-229-3270
Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing)
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From bossley.5 at osu.edu  Thu Jul 19 07:50:47 2018
From: bossley.5 at osu.edu (Bossley, Peter A.)
Date: Thu Jul 19 07:52:04 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
In-Reply-To: <61B9C8EC-C899-4029-BE47-CA0C9F7E6B68@cengage.com>
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Anecdotally on windows it is Firefox or JAWS and Crhome or Firefox. On OSX of course it is Safari.
I would caution that testing is a different matter all together from what students are using. There are technological reasons for testing that don?t necessarily apply to student use. Your testing should be designed to surface the websites or web application?s actual accessibility and not compadibility with a given stack of technology, which is a constantly moving target anyway.
Just my .02 fwiw.

[The Ohio State University]
Peter Bossley
Director, Digital Accessibility Center
ADA Coordinator's Office - Office of University Compliance and Integrity
Student Life Disability Services
098 Baker Hall, 113 W. 12th Ave, Columbus, OH 43210
614-688-3028 Office
bossley.5@osu.edu<mailto:bossley.5@osu.edu> accessibility.osu.edu<http://accessibility.osu.edu/>
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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Castiglione, Deb A
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:31 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination

I?ve asked previously about a screen reader/browser combination matrix, which does not appear to exist. It has been suggested that testing be performed on the current and prior version of JAWS and Internet Explorer, NVDA and Firefox, and VoiceOver on iOS. I?m also familiar with the WebAIM survey and results.

I was curious, however, what the most popular combination is for students in higher education. And, are HE students using Chrome? Any input you can provide is greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
Deb


What is ?essential for some? is almost always ?good for all? (Meyer, Rose, and Gordon, 2014).

Deb Castiglione, EdD, ATP
Director, Universal Design & Accessible Technologies
Learning Center of Excellence
Cengage
5191 Natorp Boulevard, Mason, OH 45040
513-229-1654 / 513-309-6262
deb.castiglione@cengage.com<mailto:deb.castiglione@cengage.com>

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From rspangler1 at udayton.edu  Thu Jul 19 07:59:56 2018
From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler)
Date: Thu Jul 19 08:00:09 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
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Yes you're right, I still run into issues with Chrome, especially with
Google apps!  Funny, isn't it?  This is why I still keep Firefox around,
for the instances where Chrome doesn't cut it.  I just find Firefox to be
more sluggish than Chrome.


On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 10:48 AM, Frederick, Kathryn A. <
frederick.273@osu.edu> wrote:

> When we test websites for screen reader accessibility, we use NVDA and
> FireFox. Chrome presents some browser accessibility challenges, especially
> when using NVDA. I agree, we should all keep Narrator in the back of our
> minds concerning screen reader access.
>
>
>
> Katie Frederick, Digital Accessibility Specialist
>
>
>
> The Ohio State University
>
>
>
> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:16 AM
> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list@u.washington.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
>
>
>
> I'm no longer a student, but at one time I was - a blind student!  At that
> time I was using Firefox with NVDA but nowadays I am using Chrome, since it
> has improved to a usable level.  I would never suggest Internet Explorer as
> most development work now is put towards Firefox/Chrome and improving their
> access with screen readers.  Basically, you should be OK with JAWS/NVDA
> with Firefox and Chrome.  I use Chrome as my main browser, with Firefox as
> my secondary in case something doesn't work well with Chrome.
>
>
>
> Chrome is much snappier in performance than Firefox, even since the
> Quantum update.  This has been my experience, at least.
>
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Castiglione, Deb A <
> deb.castiglione@cengage.com> wrote:
>
> I?ve asked previously about a screen reader/browser combination matrix,
> which does not appear to exist. It has been suggested that testing be
> performed on the current and prior version of JAWS and Internet Explorer,
> NVDA and Firefox, and VoiceOver on iOS. I?m also familiar with the WebAIM
> survey and results.
>
>
>
> I was curious, however, what the most popular combination is for students
> in higher education. And, are HE students using Chrome? Any input you can
> provide is greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Deb
>
>
>
>
>
> What is ?essential for some? is almost always ?good for all? (Meyer, Rose,
> and Gordon, 2014).
>
>
>
> Deb Castiglione, EdD, ATP
>
> Director, Universal Design & Accessible Technologies
>
> Learning Center of Excellence
>
> Cengage
>
> 5191 Natorp Boulevard, Mason, OH 45040
>
> 513-229-1654 / 513-309-6262
>
> deb.castiglione@cengage.com
>
>
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> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023
> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
> University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
> Phone: 937-229-2066
>
> Fax: 937-229-3270
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Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
Phone: 937-229-2066
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From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong)
Date: Thu Jul 19 08:17:06 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
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The Chrome and screen reader combination sometimes results in the user being unable to read what?s being typed in an edit field, or in finding an edit field. The screen reader says one is focused there, but the browser does not agree.

Firefox and NVDA are more sluggish , but sometimes can read/find things the other combos cannot.

Also, though VFO has heavily marketed JAWS as the best thing for testing websites I don?t agree. JAWS can find items on a website that aren?t entirely accessible by modern standards. It does a lot of hacking in to the browser to accomplish this, whereas if NVDA can?t read it, the web element probably has access issues.

My favorite example of this are clickable elements which JAWS can find well enough to make you believe they are accessible. The problem is that JAWS doesn?t always see them or let the user navigate to and activate them. JAWS also thinks an element is clickable when it isn?t at times.

However if the situation isn?t a testing one and the website is only partly accessible, and the user has a choice, JAWS is better. So NVDA for testing, JAWS for actualy dealing with sites that aren?t fully accessible.

A comment on narrator: it has a developer mode which lets a sighted user actually know for sure what Narrator sees. It does this by blanking everything onscreen that is not visible to narrator. To toggle this, press Caps lock plus Shift plus function key F12.

With NVDA, sighted testers should enable the ?focus highlight? add-on which shows where the voice is reading ? what NVDA calls the navigator object.

--Debee

From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Spangler
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination

Yes you're right, I still run into issues with Chrome, especially with Google apps!  Funny, isn't it?  This is why I still keep Firefox around, for the instances where Chrome doesn't cut it.  I just find Firefox to be more sluggish than Chrome.


On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 10:48 AM, Frederick, Kathryn A. <frederick.273@osu.edu<mailto:frederick.273@osu.edu>> wrote:
When we test websites for screen reader accessibility, we use NVDA and FireFox. Chrome presents some browser accessibility challenges, especially when using NVDA. I agree, we should all keep Narrator in the back of our minds concerning screen reader access.

Katie Frederick, Digital Accessibility Specialist

The Ohio State University

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Robert Spangler
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:16 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination

I'm no longer a student, but at one time I was - a blind student!  At that time I was using Firefox with NVDA but nowadays I am using Chrome, since it has improved to a usable level.  I would never suggest Internet Explorer as most development work now is put towards Firefox/Chrome and improving their access with screen readers.  Basically, you should be OK with JAWS/NVDA with Firefox and Chrome.  I use Chrome as my main browser, with Firefox as my secondary in case something doesn't work well with Chrome.

Chrome is much snappier in performance than Firefox, even since the Quantum update.  This has been my experience, at least.

Robert


On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Castiglione, Deb A <deb.castiglione@cengage.com<mailto:deb.castiglione@cengage.com>> wrote:
I?ve asked previously about a screen reader/browser combination matrix, which does not appear to exist. It has been suggested that testing be performed on the current and prior version of JAWS and Internet Explorer, NVDA and Firefox, and VoiceOver on iOS. I?m also familiar with the WebAIM survey and results.

I was curious, however, what the most popular combination is for students in higher education. And, are HE students using Chrome? Any input you can provide is greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
Deb


What is ?essential for some? is almost always ?good for all? (Meyer, Rose, and Gordon, 2014).

Deb Castiglione, EdD, ATP
Director, Universal Design & Accessible Technologies
Learning Center of Excellence
Cengage
5191 Natorp Boulevard, Mason, OH 45040
513-229-1654 / 513-309-6262
deb.castiglione@cengage.com<mailto:deb.castiglione@cengage.com>


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University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
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Fax: 937-229-3270
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From: sarah.bourne at mass.gov (Bourne, Sarah (MASSIT))
Date: Thu Jul 19 09:00:05 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF028E9549AA@MB1.FHDA.LEARN>
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This basic matrix from PowerMapper may help, both for identifying testing combinations and for advising students.  Note that no combination has 100% ?Reliability,? so students may need to switch browsers if they run into problems with specific sites or services.
Screen reader reliability HTML, CSS and ARIA<https://www.powermapper.com/tests/screen-readers/>

For testing purposes, they also have additional results that go into more detail:

?        Techniques for WCAG 2.0 Screen reader compatibility<https://www.powermapper.com/tests/screen-readers/wcag/>

?        WAI-ARIA Screen reader compatibility<https://www.powermapper.com/tests/screen-readers/aria/>

?        HTML attributes Screen reader compatibility<https://www.powermapper.com/tests/screen-readers/attributes/>

?        HTML elements Screen reader compatibility<https://www.powermapper.com/tests/screen-readers/elements/>
This level of detail is helpful in figuring out whether the problem is with the code or with the screen reader and/or browser.

Hope this helps!
sb
Sarah E. Bourne
Director of IT Accessibility
Executive Office of Technology Services and Security (EOTSS)
1 Ashburton Place, 8th Floor, Boston, MA 02108
Office: (617) 626-4502
sarah.bourne@mass.gov  |  www.mass.gov/eotss<http://www.mass.gov/anf/research-and-tech/oversight-agencies/itd/>

From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:17 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination

The Chrome and screen reader combination sometimes results in the user being unable to read what?s being typed in an edit field, or in finding an edit field. The screen reader says one is focused there, but the browser does not agree.

Firefox and NVDA are more sluggish , but sometimes can read/find things the other combos cannot.

Also, though VFO has heavily marketed JAWS as the best thing for testing websites I don?t agree. JAWS can find items on a website that aren?t entirely accessible by modern standards. It does a lot of hacking in to the browser to accomplish this, whereas if NVDA can?t read it, the web element probably has access issues.

My favorite example of this are clickable elements which JAWS can find well enough to make you believe they are accessible. The problem is that JAWS doesn?t always see them or let the user navigate to and activate them. JAWS also thinks an element is clickable when it isn?t at times.

However if the situation isn?t a testing one and the website is only partly accessible, and the user has a choice, JAWS is better. So NVDA for testing, JAWS for actualy dealing with sites that aren?t fully accessible.

A comment on narrator: it has a developer mode which lets a sighted user actually know for sure what Narrator sees. It does this by blanking everything onscreen that is not visible to narrator. To toggle this, press Caps lock plus Shift plus function key F12.

With NVDA, sighted testers should enable the ?focus highlight? add-on which shows where the voice is reading ? what NVDA calls the navigator object.

--Debee


From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Spangler
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination

Yes you're right, I still run into issues with Chrome, especially with Google apps!  Funny, isn't it?  This is why I still keep Firefox around, for the instances where Chrome doesn't cut it.  I just find Firefox to be more sluggish than Chrome.


On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 10:48 AM, Frederick, Kathryn A. <frederick.273@osu.edu<mailto:frederick.273@osu.edu>> wrote:
When we test websites for screen reader accessibility, we use NVDA and FireFox. Chrome presents some browser accessibility challenges, especially when using NVDA. I agree, we should all keep Narrator in the back of our minds concerning screen reader access.

Katie Frederick, Digital Accessibility Specialist

The Ohio State University

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Robert Spangler
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:16 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination

I'm no longer a student, but at one time I was - a blind student!  At that time I was using Firefox with NVDA but nowadays I am using Chrome, since it has improved to a usable level.  I would never suggest Internet Explorer as most development work now is put towards Firefox/Chrome and improving their access with screen readers.  Basically, you should be OK with JAWS/NVDA with Firefox and Chrome.  I use Chrome as my main browser, with Firefox as my secondary in case something doesn't work well with Chrome.

Chrome is much snappier in performance than Firefox, even since the Quantum update.  This has been my experience, at least.

Robert


On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Castiglione, Deb A <deb.castiglione@cengage.com<mailto:deb.castiglione@cengage.com>> wrote:
I?ve asked previously about a screen reader/browser combination matrix, which does not appear to exist. It has been suggested that testing be performed on the current and prior version of JAWS and Internet Explorer, NVDA and Firefox, and VoiceOver on iOS. I?m also familiar with the WebAIM survey and results.

I was curious, however, what the most popular combination is for students in higher education. And, are HE students using Chrome? Any input you can provide is greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
Deb


What is ?essential for some? is almost always ?good for all? (Meyer, Rose, and Gordon, 2014).

Deb Castiglione, EdD, ATP
Director, Universal Design & Accessible Technologies
Learning Center of Excellence
Cengage
5191 Natorp Boulevard, Mason, OH 45040
513-229-1654 / 513-309-6262
deb.castiglione@cengage.com<mailto:deb.castiglione@cengage.com>


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Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
Phone: 937-229-2066
Fax: 937-229-3270
Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing)
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Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
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Fax: 937-229-3270
Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing)
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From deb.castiglione at cengage.com  Thu Jul 19 09:29:19 2018
From: deb.castiglione at cengage.com (Castiglione, Deb A)
Date: Thu Jul 19 09:29:56 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
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Thank you so much for your feedback! I truly appreciate all of the posts and am finding this conversation very informative.

Deb


What is ?essential for some? is almost always ?good for all? (Meyer, Rose, and Gordon, 2014).

Deb Castiglione, EdD, ATP
Director, Universal Design & Accessible Technologies
Learning Center of Excellence
Cengage
5191 Natorp Boulevard, Mason, OH 45040
513-229-1654 / 513-309-6262
deb.castiglione@cengage.com<mailto:deb.castiglione@cengage.com>


From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> on behalf of "Bourne, Sarah (MASSIT)" <sarah.bourne@mass.gov>
Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Date: Thursday, July 19, 2018 at 12:01 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination

This basic matrix from PowerMapper may help, both for identifying testing combinations and for advising students.  Note that no combination has 100% ?Reliability,? so students may need to switch browsers if they run into problems with specific sites or services.
Screen reader reliability HTML, CSS and ARIA<https://www.powermapper.com/tests/screen-readers/>

For testing purposes, they also have additional results that go into more detail:

  *   Techniques for WCAG 2.0 Screen reader compatibility<https://www.powermapper.com/tests/screen-readers/wcag/>
  *   WAI-ARIA Screen reader compatibility<https://www.powermapper.com/tests/screen-readers/aria/>
  *   HTML attributes Screen reader compatibility<https://www.powermapper.com/tests/screen-readers/attributes/>
  *   HTML elements Screen reader compatibility<https://www.powermapper.com/tests/screen-readers/elements/>
This level of detail is helpful in figuring out whether the problem is with the code or with the screen reader and/or browser.

Hope this helps!
sb
Sarah E. Bourne
Director of IT Accessibility
Executive Office of Technology Services and Security (EOTSS)
1 Ashburton Place, 8th Floor, Boston, MA 02108
Office: (617) 626-4502
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From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:17 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination

The Chrome and screen reader combination sometimes results in the user being unable to read what?s being typed in an edit field, or in finding an edit field. The screen reader says one is focused there, but the browser does not agree.

Firefox and NVDA are more sluggish , but sometimes can read/find things the other combos cannot.

Also, though VFO has heavily marketed JAWS as the best thing for testing websites I don?t agree. JAWS can find items on a website that aren?t entirely accessible by modern standards. It does a lot of hacking in to the browser to accomplish this, whereas if NVDA can?t read it, the web element probably has access issues.

My favorite example of this are clickable elements which JAWS can find well enough to make you believe they are accessible. The problem is that JAWS doesn?t always see them or let the user navigate to and activate them. JAWS also thinks an element is clickable when it isn?t at times.

However if the situation isn?t a testing one and the website is only partly accessible, and the user has a choice, JAWS is better. So NVDA for testing, JAWS for actualy dealing with sites that aren?t fully accessible.

A comment on narrator: it has a developer mode which lets a sighted user actually know for sure what Narrator sees. It does this by blanking everything onscreen that is not visible to narrator. To toggle this, press Caps lock plus Shift plus function key F12.

With NVDA, sighted testers should enable the ?focus highlight? add-on which shows where the voice is reading ? what NVDA calls the navigator object.

--Debee


From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Spangler
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination

Yes you're right, I still run into issues with Chrome, especially with Google apps!  Funny, isn't it?  This is why I still keep Firefox around, for the instances where Chrome doesn't cut it.  I just find Firefox to be more sluggish than Chrome.


On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 10:48 AM, Frederick, Kathryn A. <frederick.273@osu.edu<mailto:frederick.273@osu.edu>> wrote:
When we test websites for screen reader accessibility, we use NVDA and FireFox. Chrome presents some browser accessibility challenges, especially when using NVDA. I agree, we should all keep Narrator in the back of our minds concerning screen reader access.

Katie Frederick, Digital Accessibility Specialist

The Ohio State University

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Robert Spangler
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:16 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination

I'm no longer a student, but at one time I was - a blind student!  At that time I was using Firefox with NVDA but nowadays I am using Chrome, since it has improved to a usable level.  I would never suggest Internet Explorer as most development work now is put towards Firefox/Chrome and improving their access with screen readers.  Basically, you should be OK with JAWS/NVDA with Firefox and Chrome.  I use Chrome as my main browser, with Firefox as my secondary in case something doesn't work well with Chrome.

Chrome is much snappier in performance than Firefox, even since the Quantum update.  This has been my experience, at least.

Robert


On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Castiglione, Deb A <deb.castiglione@cengage.com<mailto:deb.castiglione@cengage.com>> wrote:
I?ve asked previously about a screen reader/browser combination matrix, which does not appear to exist. It has been suggested that testing be performed on the current and prior version of JAWS and Internet Explorer, NVDA and Firefox, and VoiceOver on iOS. I?m also familiar with the WebAIM survey and results.

I was curious, however, what the most popular combination is for students in higher education. And, are HE students using Chrome? Any input you can provide is greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
Deb


What is ?essential for some? is almost always ?good for all? (Meyer, Rose, and Gordon, 2014).

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Director, Universal Design & Accessible Technologies
Learning Center of Excellence
Cengage
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From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong)
Date: Thu Jul 19 10:57:38 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
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One thing I keep worrying about is the experience of low-vision folks who read a web page visually with magnification, not with speech.

I have enough vision I can see the colors on a page and not the words; I am a speech user.

And I?ve noticed that sighted folks expect the low-vision user to experience the web page the same way they do. But for just one example, take a page with information in two columns. The user might focus on one colunn with the magnification window and miss the second column altogether. I was helping my Mom with minimal macular degeneration and she was having this problem with a senior-oriented site.

And what about alerts that pop up? The low-vision user might not notice them. Again my Mom showed me how easily this happens.

OK, Mom isn?t a college student but neither is she a dummy. My concern is that when testing is so heavily focused on screen readers, sighted people forget this other population who actually might need more help than a typical screen reader user does, since the screen reader user often gets extensive training in how to use this complex AT.

And for every blind student I have, there are ten with partial sight. I am not a testing expert, but I do know we should be testing for this user base as well.

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From: borwigprice at cscc.edu (Brandon Orwig-Price)
Date: Thu Jul 19 11:09:30 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
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My experience has generally been the same as mentioned here.
Firefox-NVDA (also works for math content)
Chrome-JAWS/ChromeVox
Safari-Voiceover
Internet Explorer (not recommended except in extremely special cases) ?JAWS
Edge-Narrator by far (it has especially came further in the last year of updates for windows, and continues to improve. Major changes coming in Redstone 5 [Oct/Nov 2018 windows 10 update.])

I generally try and mix them up as well, just as a double or triple checking mechanism, it can frequently lead to finding things that were not properly done. If there is one thing I wish JAWS/ChromeVox had it would be Speech Viewer which NVDA has. I do not rely on the speech from ZoomText (which I use due to low vision), but in Fusion it is not bad since it is JAWS.

Just my opinion and experiences,

~Brandon

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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 1:57 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination

One thing I keep worrying about is the experience of low-vision folks who read a web page visually with magnification, not with speech.

I have enough vision I can see the colors on a page and not the words; I am a speech user.

And I?ve noticed that sighted folks expect the low-vision user to experience the web page the same way they do. But for just one example, take a page with information in two columns. The user might focus on one colunn with the magnification window and miss the second column altogether. I was helping my Mom with minimal macular degeneration and she was having this problem with a senior-oriented site.

And what about alerts that pop up? The low-vision user might not notice them. Again my Mom showed me how easily this happens.

OK, Mom isn?t a college student but neither is she a dummy. My concern is that when testing is so heavily focused on screen readers, sighted people forget this other population who actually might need more help than a typical screen reader user does, since the screen reader user often gets extensive training in how to use this complex AT.

And for every blind student I have, there are ten with partial sight. I am not a testing expert, but I do know we should be testing for this user base as well.

--Debee
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From learn at vt.edu  Thu Jul 19 11:17:51 2018
From: learn at vt.edu (Robert Fentress)
Date: Thu Jul 19 11:18:59 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
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As regards Internet Explorer, the most recent current version of Internet
Explorer will continue to receive security updates
<https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsforbusiness/end-of-ie-support> for
the life of the operating system.  For us, currently, that means that we
aren't likely to really stop supporting it until Windows 10 goes away or
until Edge is better supported by screen readers and starts to
significantly supplant IE.  On the most recent WebAIM survey, it ranks #2
<https://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/#browsers> in response to
the question, "When using your primary screen reader, which browser do you
use most often?" with 23.3%.  I'd love to not have to consider it, and, if
I was a developer who was not aware of the needs of screen reader users, I
certainly would.  Sadly, we're not there yet.

Best,
Rob

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:52 AM <travis@travisroth.com> wrote:

> While I am not in a position to know what students use, Chrome is
> certainly supported by JAWS and NVDA and is used by many users at large.
>
> Internet Explorer can still be used but seems to be for more specialized
> cases now such as older enterprise applications. For general web browsing,
> it just has gotten to old. And Microsoft is not updating it. If you?re
> developing a new web application, Internet Explorer plus screen reader
> testing would not be at the top of my list.
>
> (Edge support by screen readers is improving but it is not ready for prime
> time either.)
>
> Travis
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *Castiglione, Deb A
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:31 AM
> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list@u.washington.edu>
> *Subject:* [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
>
>
>
> I?ve asked previously about a screen reader/browser combination matrix,
> which does not appear to exist. It has been suggested that testing be
> performed on the current and prior version of JAWS and Internet Explorer,
> NVDA and Firefox, and VoiceOver on iOS. I?m also familiar with the WebAIM
> survey and results.
>
>
>
> I was curious, however, what the most popular combination is for students
> in higher education. And, are HE students using Chrome? Any input you can
> provide is greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Deb
>
>
>
>
>
> What is ?essential for some? is almost always ?good for all? (Meyer, Rose,
> and Gordon, 2014).
>
>
>
> Deb Castiglione, EdD, ATP
>
> Director, Universal Design & Accessible Technologies
>
> Learning Center of Excellence
>
> Cengage
>
> 5191 Natorp Boulevard, Mason, OH 45040
>
> 513-229-1654 / 513-309-6262
>
> deb.castiglione@cengage.com
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From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu  Thu Jul 19 11:21:28 2018
From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong)
Date: Thu Jul 19 11:21:39 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
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I?ve also noticed that amateur testers often want to test with a screen reader before trying basic things like whether they can navigate to an element with the keyboard, whether they can interact with an element with the keyboard ? like a list box ? and whether the graphics are labeled. I think a great deal of first tests can be performed without a user needing to know anything about a screen reader.

Sometimes I?ll get an email from someone who says they are having difficulty using a screen reader testing a site, but they haven?t even tried yet to see if other aspects are accessible, like graphics having alt tags first. Abnd if it fails a few automated accessibility checkers spectacularly, there would be no need to try the screen reader, anyway it seems to me.


--Debee


From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Brandon Orwig-Price
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:09 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination

My experience has generally been the same as mentioned here.
Firefox-NVDA (also works for math content)
Chrome-JAWS/ChromeVox
Safari-Voiceover
Internet Explorer (not recommended except in extremely special cases) ?JAWS
Edge-Narrator by far (it has especially came further in the last year of updates for windows, and continues to improve. Major changes coming in Redstone 5 [Oct/Nov 2018 windows 10 update.])

I generally try and mix them up as well, just as a double or triple checking mechanism, it can frequently lead to finding things that were not properly done. If there is one thing I wish JAWS/ChromeVox had it would be Speech Viewer which NVDA has. I do not rely on the speech from ZoomText (which I use due to low vision), but in Fusion it is not bad since it is JAWS.

Just my opinion and experiences,

~Brandon

Brandon Orwig-Price ? Access Specialist
Disability Services ? Alternate Media
COLUMBUS STATE COMMUNITY COLLEGE
550 East Spring Street, Columbus, OH 43215
(614)287-5418 | borwigprice@cscc.edu<mailto:borwigprice@cscc.edu>

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 1:57 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination

One thing I keep worrying about is the experience of low-vision folks who read a web page visually with magnification, not with speech.

I have enough vision I can see the colors on a page and not the words; I am a speech user.

And I?ve noticed that sighted folks expect the low-vision user to experience the web page the same way they do. But for just one example, take a page with information in two columns. The user might focus on one colunn with the magnification window and miss the second column altogether. I was helping my Mom with minimal macular degeneration and she was having this problem with a senior-oriented site.

And what about alerts that pop up? The low-vision user might not notice them. Again my Mom showed me how easily this happens.

OK, Mom isn?t a college student but neither is she a dummy. My concern is that when testing is so heavily focused on screen readers, sighted people forget this other population who actually might need more help than a typical screen reader user does, since the screen reader user often gets extensive training in how to use this complex AT.

And for every blind student I have, there are ten with partial sight. I am not a testing expert, but I do know we should be testing for this user base as well.

--Debee
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From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu  Thu Jul 19 11:25:42 2018
From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong)
Date: Thu Jul 19 11:26:36 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
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OOne more thing: I got an email once from an instructor who worried about whether his site was screen reader accessible. I could read it perfectly; it had markup that made screen reader navigation easy.

But his course content was all poor camera-phone photos of textbook pages ? photos that would not even OCR well.

Another fully accessible site I was asked to look at had about fifty image-only PDFS it linked to. Again, an instructor site. So don?t miss the big picture when you worry whether NVDA will properly read a particular radio button?s caption with a particular browser.

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From: rachel.comerford at macmillan.com (Rachel Comerford)
Date: Thu Jul 19 12:22:22 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
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We struggled with this as well so we consulted with a third party and then
checked our overall usage and came up with these as out testing pairs:

*Testing Pairs:*

   - Internet Explorer 11 with JAWS and NVDA (latest public releases)
   - Firefox (52/ESR) with JAWS and NVDA (latest public releases)
   - Chrome (latest release) with JAWS and NVDA (latest public releases)
   - Safari (latest public release) with VoiceOver (latest public release)
   - Mac/PC - Kruzweil 3000
   - Mac/PC - Read and Write Gold


I've heard that Chrome Canary is a little bit better when it comes to speed
issues but largely when we talk to AT users, they tell us that Chrome is a
frustrating experience and they don't use it.

The most recent Firefox release had had some pretty significant issues with
JAWS and so we skipped testing against it since the users we spoke to had
uninstalled the update. Now that they implemented some fixes, we plan to go
back to our users and re-check.

We're considering adding Navigator/Edge although our consultant is telling
us that Microsoft still has a ways to go there and they aren't seeing a lot
of usage. I'd be interested in knowing if others have had different
experiences?

Rachel Comerford | Senior Director of Content Standards and Accessibility |
T 212.576.9433

*Macmillan Learning*

Message: 16
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 18:25:42 +0000
From: Deborah Armstrong <armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu>
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
        <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
Message-ID:
        <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF028E954DC1@MB1.FHDA.LEARN>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

OOne more thing: I got an email once from an instructor who worried about
whether his site was screen reader accessible. I could read it perfectly;
it had markup that made screen reader navigation easy.

But his course content was all poor camera-phone photos of textbook pages ?
photos that would not even OCR well.

Another fully accessible site I was asked to look at had about fifty
image-only PDFS it linked to. Again, an instructor site. So don?t miss the
big picture when you worry whether NVDA will properly read a particular
radio button?s caption with a particular browser.

--Debee
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From learn at vt.edu  Thu Jul 19 13:19:20 2018
From: learn at vt.edu (Robert Fentress)
Date: Thu Jul 19 13:20:21 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
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See correction below:

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 2:17 PM Robert Fentress <learn@vt.edu> wrote:

> I'd love to not have to consider it, and, if I was a developer who was not
> aware of the needs of screen reader users, I certainly would.
>

Actually, I think the above should read "I certainly wouldn't," not "I
certainly would."  . . .I think.  Hmm. . . it looks like our president is
not the only one who struggles with the use of subjunctives.  Haha!

-- 
*Rob Fentress*
*Web Accessibility Solutions Designer*
Accessible Technologies at Virginia Tech
Electronic Business Card (vCard)
<http://search.vt.edu/search/person.vcf?person=1154847>
LinkedIn Profile
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-fentress-aa0b609?trk=profile-badge>
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From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu  Fri Jul 20 12:24:57 2018
From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer)
Date: Fri Jul 20 12:25:21 2018
Subject: [Athen] Friday Funny
Message-ID: <DM5PR03MB33218500A0F2DB5430382778FB510@DM5PR03MB3321.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Or maybe cringe-worthy, to be honest.

After all the recent discussions on the lists about the lack of page numbering in ePubs...this seemed like an appropriate share.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntvV2CSWpNs

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
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From rspangler1 at udayton.edu  Mon Jul 23 06:02:17 2018
From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler)
Date: Mon Jul 23 06:02:49 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
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Actually isn't that a conditional?
:)


On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Robert Fentress <learn@vt.edu> wrote:

> See correction below:
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 2:17 PM Robert Fentress <learn@vt.edu> wrote:
>
>> I'd love to not have to consider it, and, if I was a developer who was
>> not aware of the needs of screen reader users, I certainly would.
>>
>
> Actually, I think the above should read "I certainly wouldn't," not "I
> certainly would."  . . .I think.  Hmm. . . it looks like our president is
> not the only one who struggles with the use of subjunctives.  Haha!
>
> --
> *Rob Fentress*
> *Web Accessibility Solutions Designer*
> Accessible Technologies at Virginia Tech
> Electronic Business Card (vCard)
> <http://search.vt.edu/search/person.vcf?person=1154847>
> LinkedIn Profile
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-fentress-aa0b609?trk=profile-badge>
> VT Zoom Personal Conferencing
> <https://virginiatech.zoom.us/my/rob.fentress>
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rspangler1@udayton.edu
Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023
Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
Phone: 937-229-2066
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From foreigntype at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 08:28:10 2018
From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner)
Date: Mon Jul 23 08:28:34 2018
Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader/Browser Combination
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Ah, the subjective/subjunctive rules. We don't often recognize them in
English and don't use them correctly. The rules on the use of the
subjunctive verb tenses often rely on dependent clauses to trip them off:
if/then clauses. "If I were (past subjunctive) president, I would
(conditional) would speak in whole sentences."

Wink

Wink Harner, Foreigntype * Adaptive Technology consulting & training.
Alternative Text conversion * Portland OR

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018, 6:03 AM Robert Spangler <rspangler1@udayton.edu>
wrote:

> Actually isn't that a conditional?
> :)
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Robert Fentress <learn@vt.edu> wrote:
>
>> See correction below:
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 2:17 PM Robert Fentress <learn@vt.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd love to not have to consider it, and, if I was a developer who was
>>> not aware of the needs of screen reader users, I certainly would.
>>>
>>
>> Actually, I think the above should read "I certainly wouldn't," not "I
>> certainly would."  . . .I think.  Hmm. . . it looks like our president is
>> not the only one who struggles with the use of subjunctives.  Haha!
>>
>> --
>> *Rob Fentress*
>> *Web Accessibility Solutions Designer*
>> Accessible Technologies at Virginia Tech
>> Electronic Business Card (vCard)
>> <http://search.vt.edu/search/person.vcf?person=1154847>
>> LinkedIn Profile
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-fentress-aa0b609?trk=profile-badge>
>> VT Zoom Personal Conferencing
>> <https://virginiatech.zoom.us/my/rob.fentress>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> athen-list mailing list
>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu
>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Robert Spangler
> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist
> rspangler1@udayton.edu
> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023
> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
> University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
> Phone: 937-229-2066
> Fax: 937-229-3270
> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing)
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From: kschoeb1 at swarthmore.edu (Corrine Schoeb)
Date: Mon Jul 23 09:09:45 2018
Subject: [Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 150, Issue 11
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Very funny!!

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From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu  Mon Jul 23 13:46:28 2018
From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong)
Date: Mon Jul 23 13:47:23 2018
Subject: [Athen] Slightly OT: A concern for the future of Windows-based AT
Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF028EB85DF3@MB2.FHDA.LEARN>

Bloomberg has an interesting story about Amy Hood, Microsoft's CFO.

One business trend for this past decade is that a CFO is no longer a glorified accountant/budget analyst. They are now part of the senior management team - determiners of strategy rather than implementers. Microsoft' Q4 earnings report came out Thursday and according to Bloomberg, investors are saying Ms. Hood is the best CFO Microsoft has ever had.

One thing she's done is take money away from legacy divisions and put it in to the cloud. Since 2002 when she was hired her goal is to move Microsoft more towards cloud-based subscription models for their products - I'm paraphrasing Bloomberg here-previously most divisions could ask for what they wanted budget-wise and could expect to get it - that's no longer true.  Bloomberg also comments that Ms. Hood timed her start date back in 2002 to get maximum access to the employee stock purchase plan.

So despite what we see at conferences with Microsoft's waving of the accessibility banner, I don't think it's going to be smooth sailing ahead. If it doesn't improve growth it's going to be ignored.

The earnings reports no longer say anything about Windows, so we can assume it is gradually going to just be a framework for a browser; already most new apps are PWAS (progressive web apps) which means no installation, no data on your own PC, but you need to be online to access any of it.

This means that AT is going to need to get much better at dealing with progressive web apps and other online offerings. For keyboard users, there is no longer a consistent, reliable set of keystrokes for operating web-based applications. For screen reader users, just to take one example, pressing Tab can take you out of the application and in to the address bar which is very confusing; imagine if a single and frequently used keystroke could dump you out of the operating system! For magnification users, the lack of standards in a web-based interface means that you can miss important information because you weren't looking in the right place.

The full Bloomberg story is here:
                https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-16/how-amy-hood-won-back-wall-street-and-helped-reboot-microsoft

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From danc at uw.edu  Mon Jul 23 22:52:49 2018
From: danc at uw.edu (Dan Comden)
Date: Mon Jul 23 22:53:16 2018
Subject: [Athen] Slightly OT: A concern for the future of Windows-based
	AT
In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF028EB85DF3@MB2.FHDA.LEARN>
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Hi Deborah,
Thanks for linking the article. The following is not directed at you. And
your article is not Off Topic at all.

How about a different position -- AT has things handled. For the most part,
screenreaders, TTS, STS, magnifiers -- they all understand basic underlying
html.

So who is getting it wrong? The companies putting out shoddy interfaces and
non-standard apps? Or the browsers? Assistive tech for the most part has it
handled.

Discuss.

-*- Dan

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Deborah Armstrong <
armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu> wrote:

> Bloomberg has an interesting story about Amy Hood, Microsoft?s CFO.
>
>
>
> One business trend for this past decade is that a CFO is no longer a
> glorified accountant/budget analyst. They are now part of the senior
> management team ? determiners of strategy rather than implementers.
> Microsoft? Q4 earnings report came out Thursday and according to Bloomberg,
> investors are saying Ms. Hood is the best CFO Microsoft has ever had.
>
>
>
> One thing she?s done is take money away from legacy divisions and put it
> in to the cloud. Since 2002 when she was hired her goal is to move
> Microsoft more towards cloud-based subscription models for their products ?
> I?m paraphrasing Bloomberg here?previously most divisions could ask for
> what they wanted budget-wise and could expect to get it ? that?s no longer
> true.  Bloomberg also comments that Ms. Hood timed her start date back in
> 2002 to get maximum access to the employee stock purchase plan.
>
>
>
> So despite what we see at conferences with Microsoft?s waving of the
> accessibility banner, I don?t think it?s going to be smooth sailing ahead.
> If it doesn?t improve growth it?s going to be ignored.
>
>
>
> The earnings reports no longer say anything about Windows, so we can
> assume it is gradually going to just be a framework for a browser; already
> most new apps are PWAS (progressive web apps) which means no installation,
> no data on your own PC, but you need to be online to access any of it.
>
>
>
> This means that AT is going to need to get much better at dealing with
> progressive web apps and other online offerings. For keyboard users, there
> is no longer a consistent, reliable set of keystrokes for operating
> web-based applications. For screen reader users, just to take one example,
> pressing Tab can take you out of the application and in to the address bar
> which is very confusing; imagine if a single and frequently used keystroke
> could dump you out of the operating system! For magnification users, the
> lack of standards in a web-based interface means that you can miss
> important information because you weren?t looking in the right place.
>
>
>
> The full Bloomberg story is here:
>
>                 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-16/how-
> amy-hood-won-back-wall-street-and-helped-reboot-microsoft
>
>
>
> --Debee
>
>
>
>
>
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From chagnon at pubcom.com  Tue Jul 24 07:07:43 2018
From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com)
Date: Tue Jul 24 07:08:01 2018
Subject: [Athen] Slightly OT: A concern for the future of Windows-based
	AT
In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF028EB85DF3@MB2.FHDA.LEARN>
References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF028EB85DF3@MB2.FHDA.LEARN>
Message-ID: <015501d42357$b603b450$220b1cf0$@pubcom.com>

Good points about Microsoft's direction.

And on the other hand, this was just released, Accessibility Hacks talks
about their company-wide hackathons.

 

https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2018/07/23/the-ability-hacks-the-s
tory-of-two-hackathon-teams-embracing-the-transformative-power-of-technology
/?WT.mc_id=inclusive-twitter-tholewis

 

--Bevi Chagnon

 

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PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing

consulting . training . development . design . sec. 508 services

Upcoming classes at  <http://www.PubCom.com/classes> www.PubCom.com/classes 

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<https://mailchi.mp/ff5bd323ea45/newsletter-accessibility-fonts-design-upcom
ing-classes-2901237> Latest blog-newsletter - Accessibility Tips

 

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf
Of Deborah Armstrong
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:46 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Athen] Slightly OT: A concern for the future of Windows-based AT

 

Bloomberg has an interesting story about Amy Hood, Microsoft's CFO.

 

One business trend for this past decade is that a CFO is no longer a
glorified accountant/budget analyst. They are now part of the senior
management team - determiners of strategy rather than implementers.
Microsoft' Q4 earnings report came out Thursday and according to Bloomberg,
investors are saying Ms. Hood is the best CFO Microsoft has ever had.

 

One thing she's done is take money away from legacy divisions and put it in
to the cloud. Since 2002 when she was hired her goal is to move Microsoft
more towards cloud-based subscription models for their products - I'm
paraphrasing Bloomberg here-previously most divisions could ask for what
they wanted budget-wise and could expect to get it - that's no longer true.
Bloomberg also comments that Ms. Hood timed her start date back in 2002 to
get maximum access to the employee stock purchase plan.

 

So despite what we see at conferences with Microsoft's waving of the
accessibility banner, I don't think it's going to be smooth sailing ahead.
If it doesn't improve growth it's going to be ignored.    

 

The earnings reports no longer say anything about Windows, so we can assume
it is gradually going to just be a framework for a browser; already most new
apps are PWAS (progressive web apps) which means no installation, no data on
your own PC, but you need to be online to access any of it. 

 

This means that AT is going to need to get much better at dealing with
progressive web apps and other online offerings. For keyboard users, there
is no longer a consistent, reliable set of keystrokes for operating
web-based applications. For screen reader users, just to take one example,
pressing Tab can take you out of the application and in to the address bar
which is very confusing; imagine if a single and frequently used keystroke
could dump you out of the operating system! For magnification users, the
lack of standards in a web-based interface means that you can miss important
information because you weren't looking in the right place.  

 

The full Bloomberg story is here:

 
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-16/how-amy-hood-won-back-wal
l-street-and-helped-reboot-microsoft

 

--Debee

 

 

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From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler)
Date: Tue Jul 24 07:24:40 2018
Subject: [Athen] Slightly OT: A concern for the future of Windows-based
	AT
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Good morning Debee, thanks for sharing this with us.  As a screen reader
user and thus a keyboard user, I am extremely frustrated with the lack of
consistency and usability of apps, especially the metro Windows 10 apps
that they're trying to shove down all of our throats.  Take Skype as an
example.  This was an accessible, traditional desktop application that
worked well with the keyboard and screen readers.  Now, this version is
dead and on Windows all we have is the metro app, which is a huge step
backward for keyboard use.  Everything is in one window, I can't adjust how
I want my conversation windows to appear, and it's just not a pleasurable
experience.  Last I checked, the Facebook app was not even usable.  I have
also heard that the file explorer is going to become a metro app
eventually.  I'm going to end up pulling all my hair out!  Grrr!

Anyways, thanks for giving me the opportunity to vent!  Haha...

Robert


On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Deborah Armstrong <
armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu> wrote:

> Bloomberg has an interesting story about Amy Hood, Microsoft?s CFO.
>
>
>
> One business trend for this past decade is that a CFO is no longer a
> glorified accountant/budget analyst. They are now part of the senior
> management team ? determiners of strategy rather than implementers.
> Microsoft? Q4 earnings report came out Thursday and according to Bloomberg,
> investors are saying Ms. Hood is the best CFO Microsoft has ever had.
>
>
>
> One thing she?s done is take money away from legacy divisions and put it
> in to the cloud. Since 2002 when she was hired her goal is to move
> Microsoft more towards cloud-based subscription models for their products ?
> I?m paraphrasing Bloomberg here?previously most divisions could ask for
> what they wanted budget-wise and could expect to get it ? that?s no longer
> true.  Bloomberg also comments that Ms. Hood timed her start date back in
> 2002 to get maximum access to the employee stock purchase plan.
>
>
>
> So despite what we see at conferences with Microsoft?s waving of the
> accessibility banner, I don?t think it?s going to be smooth sailing ahead.
> If it doesn?t improve growth it?s going to be ignored.
>
>
>
> The earnings reports no longer say anything about Windows, so we can
> assume it is gradually going to just be a framework for a browser; already
> most new apps are PWAS (progressive web apps) which means no installation,
> no data on your own PC, but you need to be online to access any of it.
>
>
>
> This means that AT is going to need to get much better at dealing with
> progressive web apps and other online offerings. For keyboard users, there
> is no longer a consistent, reliable set of keystrokes for operating
> web-based applications. For screen reader users, just to take one example,
> pressing Tab can take you out of the application and in to the address bar
> which is very confusing; imagine if a single and frequently used keystroke
> could dump you out of the operating system! For magnification users, the
> lack of standards in a web-based interface means that you can miss
> important information because you weren?t looking in the right place.
>
>
>
> The full Bloomberg story is here:
>
>                 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-16/how-
> amy-hood-won-back-wall-street-and-helped-reboot-microsoft
>
>
>
> --Debee
>
>
>
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From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong)
Date: Tue Jul 24 07:31:14 2018
Subject: [Athen] Slightly OT: A concern for the future of
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I respectfully disagree. Screen readers still largely have a use case of a static web page. They don?t cope well when a page changes constantly. All geographic relationships between pieces of data are lost as it?s displayed in a flat representation ? see this blog post for clarification:
                https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/09/29/rethinking-web-accessibility-on-windows/

They ignore some clickable elements. They tell the user that he?s focused on an edit box when he isn?t. Various browser and screen reader combinations give different results.
The very fact that there are three different modes of JAWS to access a web page, forms mode, virtual cursor and application mode and the idea that the user needs to understand the concepts of HTML (navigate to the third list to find your homework assignment!) makes the web more confusing for the screen reader user than working say with something simple like Wordpad.

Now take a magnification user. I was just helping someone last week with this completely accessible page:
                http://www.accessibleworld.org

and she didn?t see one of the columns at all. She was reading only half the page, because she didn?t know there was a column to the right. The screen reader user doesn?t know there are columns at all.

And if we?re talking about users with learning differences, consider how each web interface ? online learning is a great example ? is completely different. Do you go to tasks, preferences, settings, options or profile to set up for your online class?  With a busy page, where do you tell the speech to start reading? If you use a keyboard, is it alt-O, ctrl-O, shift-O, ctrl-alt-f then O  or is it Alt1, then O to open a file? I?ve seen different online apps that use these keystrokes, whereas a mouse user just clicks ?Open?.

Back in the early 1990s when Alan Cooper wrote ?The Inmates are running the asylum? we learned how the presence of modes and the absence of consistency in an interface made it problematic.

OK, so this has nothing to do with AT. But AT isn?t coping with it gracefully either; it?s giving access, but the ramp is pretty darn steep for a manual chair!


From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Comden
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:53 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Slightly OT: A concern for the future of Windows-based AT

Hi Deborah,
Thanks for linking the article. The following is not directed at you. And your article is not Off Topic at all.

How about a different position -- AT has things handled. For the most part, screenreaders, TTS, STS, magnifiers -- they all understand basic underlying html.

So who is getting it wrong? The companies putting out shoddy interfaces and non-standard apps? Or the browsers? Assistive tech for the most part has it handled.

Discuss.

-*- Dan

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Deborah Armstrong <armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu<mailto:armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu>> wrote:
Bloomberg has an interesting story about Amy Hood, Microsoft?s CFO.

One business trend for this past decade is that a CFO is no longer a glorified accountant/budget analyst. They are now part of the senior management team ? determiners of strategy rather than implementers. Microsoft? Q4 earnings report came out Thursday and according to Bloomberg, investors are saying Ms. Hood is the best CFO Microsoft has ever had.

One thing she?s done is take money away from legacy divisions and put it in to the cloud. Since 2002 when she was hired her goal is to move Microsoft more towards cloud-based subscription models for their products ? I?m paraphrasing Bloomberg here?previously most divisions could ask for what they wanted budget-wise and could expect to get it ? that?s no longer true.  Bloomberg also comments that Ms. Hood timed her start date back in 2002 to get maximum access to the employee stock purchase plan.

So despite what we see at conferences with Microsoft?s waving of the accessibility banner, I don?t think it?s going to be smooth sailing ahead. If it doesn?t improve growth it?s going to be ignored.

The earnings reports no longer say anything about Windows, so we can assume it is gradually going to just be a framework for a browser; already most new apps are PWAS (progressive web apps) which means no installation, no data on your own PC, but you need to be online to access any of it.

This means that AT is going to need to get much better at dealing with progressive web apps and other online offerings. For keyboard users, there is no longer a consistent, reliable set of keystrokes for operating web-based applications. For screen reader users, just to take one example, pressing Tab can take you out of the application and in to the address bar which is very confusing; imagine if a single and frequently used keystroke could dump you out of the operating system! For magnification users, the lack of standards in a web-based interface means that you can miss important information because you weren?t looking in the right place.

The full Bloomberg story is here:
                https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-16/how-amy-hood-won-back-wall-street-and-helped-reboot-microsoft<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.bloomberg.com_news_articles_2018-2D07-2D16_how-2Damy-2Dhood-2Dwon-2Dback-2Dwall-2Dstreet-2Dand-2Dhelped-2Dreboot-2Dmicrosoft&d=DwMFaQ&c=xoYdONxMEGxjdvKj5bOdEOV28uakaJ20R4TjadGGZBc&r=gcvya4Pqy0A2EsMRyTgo_3n3PIn53GqWAnSNzbIFuBs&m=CcimSMQ4xO57bauN-QFhIWxzoCQCJz9__fybuJ6oxQE&s=wqlaq2O3tzSI4ZWKS_M2IOpRhyt1HJAQC3w8PzmD-4o&e=>

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From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong)
Date: Tue Jul 24 07:47:34 2018
Subject: [Athen] Slightly OT: A concern for the future of
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Until Ms. Hood gets her hands on the accessibility division, which certainly can?t be a profit center for Microsoft, I?d complain to them with a clearly phrased email.

The responsibility is shared by Microsoft and AT. The screen reader needs more than a talking touch cursor to make it easy to navigate the metro app interfaces. Microsoft needs to insure that there really are consistent keystrokes for accessing each element.

Another tool I?ve found useful for getting developers to take notice is Zoom, which lets you accessibly create videos of your screen, with the screen reader reading. You can also use Narrator?s developer mode (Shift-Capslock F12) to turn off everything onscreen that Narrator itself doesn?t see ? this gives those developers a good reality check as well.

--Debee


From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Spangler
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 7:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [Athen] Slightly OT: A concern for the future of Windows-based AT

Good morning Debee, thanks for sharing this with us.  As a screen reader user and thus a keyboard user, I am extremely frustrated with the lack of consistency and usability of apps, especially the metro Windows 10 apps that they're trying to shove down all of our throats.  Take Skype as an example.  This was an accessible, traditional desktop application that worked well with the keyboard and screen readers.  Now, this version is dead and on Windows all we have is the metro app, which is a huge step backward for keyboard use.  Everything is in one window, I can't adjust how I want my conversation windows to appear, and it's just not a pleasurable experience.  Last I checked, the Facebook app was not even usable.  I have also heard that the file explorer is going to become a metro app eventually.  I'm going to end up pulling all my hair out!  Grrr!

Anyways, thanks for giving me the opportunity to vent!  Haha...

Robert


On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Deborah Armstrong <armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu<mailto:armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu>> wrote:
Bloomberg has an interesting story about Amy Hood, Microsoft?s CFO.

One business trend for this past decade is that a CFO is no longer a glorified accountant/budget analyst. They are now part of the senior management team ? determiners of strategy rather than implementers. Microsoft? Q4 earnings report came out Thursday and according to Bloomberg, investors are saying Ms. Hood is the best CFO Microsoft has ever had.

One thing she?s done is take money away from legacy divisions and put it in to the cloud. Since 2002 when she was hired her goal is to move Microsoft more towards cloud-based subscription models for their products ? I?m paraphrasing Bloomberg here?previously most divisions could ask for what they wanted budget-wise and could expect to get it ? that?s no longer true.  Bloomberg also comments that Ms. Hood timed her start date back in 2002 to get maximum access to the employee stock purchase plan.

So despite what we see at conferences with Microsoft?s waving of the accessibility banner, I don?t think it?s going to be smooth sailing ahead. If it doesn?t improve growth it?s going to be ignored.

The earnings reports no longer say anything about Windows, so we can assume it is gradually going to just be a framework for a browser; already most new apps are PWAS (progressive web apps) which means no installation, no data on your own PC, but you need to be online to access any of it.

This means that AT is going to need to get much better at dealing with progressive web apps and other online offerings. For keyboard users, there is no longer a consistent, reliable set of keystrokes for operating web-based applications. For screen reader users, just to take one example, pressing Tab can take you out of the application and in to the address bar which is very confusing; imagine if a single and frequently used keystroke could dump you out of the operating system! For magnification users, the lack of standards in a web-based interface means that you can miss important information because you weren?t looking in the right place.

The full Bloomberg story is here:
                https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-16/how-amy-hood-won-back-wall-street-and-helped-reboot-microsoft<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.bloomberg.com_news_articles_2018-2D07-2D16_how-2Damy-2Dhood-2Dwon-2Dback-2Dwall-2Dstreet-2Dand-2Dhelped-2Dreboot-2Dmicrosoft&d=DwMFaQ&c=xoYdONxMEGxjdvKj5bOdEOV28uakaJ20R4TjadGGZBc&r=gcvya4Pqy0A2EsMRyTgo_3n3PIn53GqWAnSNzbIFuBs&m=5akGvdejqaMrUoiEj69OmKxadXGeryXx5-yNIKXQfg8&s=aM7uqQoc47vN2oiLyUN72jR2CVlhss3jAjWU9FSQpnI&e=>

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From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler)
Date: Tue Jul 24 07:53:20 2018
Subject: [Athen] Slightly OT: A concern for the future of Windows-based
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It's a shared responsibility but unfortunately the weight of it is going to
fall more on AT developers, as typical app developers cannot always be
depended on to abide by accessibility standards.  AT may have it handled
but they will always have to play catch-up especially nowadays with how
often things are changing.

I just told someone recently that it would be great if we could expect that
all developers of apps would utilize the tools provided them to ensure that
their apps are accessible.  For instance, Google takes this approach - they
provide the tools and APIs necessary for developers to make their apps
accessible; however, many developers complain that they do not have the
time or resources.  Therefore, I would argue that it's the responsibility
of the tech giants, such as Google, to recognize the importance of
accessibility of their services and to become leaders in this endeavor.  It
is my opinion that Apple has done better at this, making a firm commitment
company-wide to accessibility and not leaving it up to individual teams and
units across the company to implement accessibility however they see fit.

Thanks,
Robert


On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 1:52 AM, Dan Comden <danc@uw.edu> wrote:

> Hi Deborah,
> Thanks for linking the article. The following is not directed at you. And
> your article is not Off Topic at all.
>
> How about a different position -- AT has things handled. For the most
> part, screenreaders, TTS, STS, magnifiers -- they all understand basic
> underlying html.
>
> So who is getting it wrong? The companies putting out shoddy interfaces
> and non-standard apps? Or the browsers? Assistive tech for the most part
> has it handled.
>
> Discuss.
>
> -*- Dan
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Deborah Armstrong <
> armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu> wrote:
>
>> Bloomberg has an interesting story about Amy Hood, Microsoft?s CFO.
>>
>>
>>
>> One business trend for this past decade is that a CFO is no longer a
>> glorified accountant/budget analyst. They are now part of the senior
>> management team ? determiners of strategy rather than implementers.
>> Microsoft? Q4 earnings report came out Thursday and according to Bloomberg,
>> investors are saying Ms. Hood is the best CFO Microsoft has ever had.
>>
>>
>>
>> One thing she?s done is take money away from legacy divisions and put it
>> in to the cloud. Since 2002 when she was hired her goal is to move
>> Microsoft more towards cloud-based subscription models for their products ?
>> I?m paraphrasing Bloomberg here?previously most divisions could ask for
>> what they wanted budget-wise and could expect to get it ? that?s no longer
>> true.  Bloomberg also comments that Ms. Hood timed her start date back in
>> 2002 to get maximum access to the employee stock purchase plan.
>>
>>
>>
>> So despite what we see at conferences with Microsoft?s waving of the
>> accessibility banner, I don?t think it?s going to be smooth sailing ahead.
>> If it doesn?t improve growth it?s going to be ignored.
>>
>>
>>
>> The earnings reports no longer say anything about Windows, so we can
>> assume it is gradually going to just be a framework for a browser; already
>> most new apps are PWAS (progressive web apps) which means no installation,
>> no data on your own PC, but you need to be online to access any of it.
>>
>>
>>
>> This means that AT is going to need to get much better at dealing with
>> progressive web apps and other online offerings. For keyboard users, there
>> is no longer a consistent, reliable set of keystrokes for operating
>> web-based applications. For screen reader users, just to take one example,
>> pressing Tab can take you out of the application and in to the address bar
>> which is very confusing; imagine if a single and frequently used keystroke
>> could dump you out of the operating system! For magnification users, the
>> lack of standards in a web-based interface means that you can miss
>> important information because you weren?t looking in the right place.
>>
>>
>>
>> The full Bloomberg story is here:
>>
>>                 https://www.bloomberg.com/news
>> /articles/2018-07-16/how-amy-hood-won-back-wall-street-and-
>> helped-reboot-microsoft
>>
>>
>>
>> --Debee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From: jiatyan at stanford.edu (Jiatyan Chen)
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> On 2018 Jul 23, at 13:46, Deborah Armstrong <armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu> wrote:
> 
> So despite what we see at conferences with Microsoft?s waving of the accessibility banner, I don?t think it?s going to be smooth sailing ahead. If it doesn?t improve growth it?s going to be ignored.    

Not everything is the bottom line when it comes to decisions companies make.

Microsoft's Satya Nadella has a personal interest in accessible products. <https://techcrunch.com/2018/05/07/microsoft-commits-25m-to-its-ai-for-accessibility-program/>

To Apple's Tim Cook, accessibility is not part of the ROI equation.
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2014/03/07/why-tim-cook-doesnt-care-about-the-bloody-roi/#22405b7855f2>

--
Jiatyan Chen

From adehart at rice.edu  Wed Jul 25 12:01:29 2018
From: adehart at rice.edu (Angela Rabuck)
Date: Wed Jul 25 12:01:55 2018
Subject: [Athen] Job Posting - Accessibility Coordinator at Rice University
Message-ID: <6D2FAB2B-C594-425F-BCF7-A1EEA42F44D5@rice.edu>

Have a passion for accessibility? Come join the Learning Environments team at Rice University.  We are looking for a talented Digital Information Accessibility Coordinator.  S/he will play a key role in working with our faculty/staff to create accessible content for use within Canvas and other systems.  S/he will also act as the accessibility advocate in university technology initiatives.

Rice University is a small private research university located in Houston, Texas.  Rice campus is within close proximity to a world-class museum district, preeminent zoo, and culturally diverse restaurants.

For more information and to apply: https://jobs.rice.edu/postings/15957 <https://jobs.rice.edu/postings/15957>

Thanks!
Angela


Angela D Rabuck, PhD
Manager, Teaching & Scholarly Learning
Office of Information Technology, Rice University
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From Shannon.Lavey at colostate.edu  Wed Jul 25 13:06:56 2018
From: Shannon.Lavey at colostate.edu (Lavey,Shannon)
Date: Wed Jul 25 13:07:10 2018
Subject: [Athen] Listserv/group recommendations
Message-ID: <C7FD54B2-94A0-4E59-9412-A53CFE773980@colostate.edu>

Hello!

Does anyone have recommendations for an accessible and user-friendly listserv or group that is similar to Yahoo Groups (ability to post discussions, announcements, files, etc.)?

Thank you for any insight!!

Shannon

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Student Service Coordinator and Provider

Assistive Technology Resource Center
301 Occupational Therapy Building
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO  80523-1573
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From rspangler1 at udayton.edu  Wed Jul 25 13:25:10 2018
From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler)
Date: Wed Jul 25 13:25:22 2018
Subject: [Athen] Listserv/group recommendations
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Google Groups is one and Freelists is another, the latter being more for
tech-based discussion groups I believe.


On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Lavey,Shannon <Shannon.Lavey@colostate.edu>
wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Does anyone have recommendations for an accessible and user-friendly
> listserv or group that is similar to Yahoo Groups (ability to post
> discussions, announcements, files, etc.)?
>
> Thank you for any insight!!
>
> Shannon
>
> *----------------------------------------------------*
>
> *Shannon Lavey, MS, OTR/L*
>
> *Student Service Coordinator and Provider*
>
>
>
> *Assistive Technology Resource Center*
>
> *301 Occupational Therapy Building*
>
> *Colorado State University*
>
> *Fort Collins, CO  80523-1573*
>
> *970-491-4241*
>
> *shannon.lavey@colostate.edu*
>
> *www.atrc.colostate.edu <http://www.atrc.colostate.edu/>*
>
>
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University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
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From ipriest at msudenver.edu  Wed Jul 25 14:16:25 2018
From: ipriest at msudenver.edu (Priest, Ione)
Date: Wed Jul 25 14:16:42 2018
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
Message-ID: <CY4PR03MB2584CBD0E97C5B4B77507E97A5540@CY4PR03MB2584.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Good afternoon all,

I am curious if anyone has any experiences in using Aira (aira.io<https://aira.io/>) with students who are blind, specifically on an institution level. We have one student utilizing a personal subscription in the classroom with seemingly great success, and we are curious if this might be a worthwhile investment for all of our students to utilize. Any information you are able to provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much.

Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center
Plaza 122
Metropolitan State University of Denver
ipriest@msudenver.edu
Phone: 303-615-0200
Fax: 720-778-5662
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From kerscher at montana.com  Wed Jul 25 14:44:36 2018
From: kerscher at montana.com (George Kerscher)
Date: Wed Jul 25 14:45:07 2018
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
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Hi
 
I have been using the AIRA service for about a year and now have the new
generation glasses. When in the Minneapolis airport and in the Hyatt at
CSUN, the service was free to use for subscribers and for guests as well. I
believe that those companies provide the service. It seems that using this
same concept, a university could provide it.
 
Certainly it would be helpful in getting from place to place, especially
learning new routes. I am not clear on the effectiveness in a classroom
situation; humm, labs may be interesting. It is worth exploring.
 
Best
George
 
From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf
Of Priest, Ione
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 3:16 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
 
Good afternoon all,
 
I am curious if anyone has any experiences in using Aira (aira.io
<https://aira.io/> ) with students who are blind, specifically on an
institution level. We have one student utilizing a personal subscription in
the classroom with seemingly great success, and we are curious if this might
be a worthwhile investment for all of our students to utilize. Any
information you are able to provide would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thank you very much.
 
Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center 
Plaza 122
Metropolitan State University of Denver
ipriest@msudenver.edu <mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu> 
Phone: 303-615-0200
Fax: 720-778-5662

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From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu  Wed Jul 25 14:47:22 2018
From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong)
Date: Wed Jul 25 14:47:37 2018
Subject: [Athen] Listserv/group recommendations
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	<CAA6y2T56k+vrCMGFO-jjCm+ES5SRZXsY3wGN0_voo8L9_o30gw@mail.gmail.com>
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I am a screen reader user and a huge fan of groups.io.

I run a mailing list for sighted folks there and another list for people with a variety of disabilities.

In both cases, the people who have trouble typically are less computer experienced. Every issue I?ve handled for my group members involves a lack of computer skill and the sighted people and the people using AT have exactly the same problems which are not related to accessibility.

Those problems include things like not knowing how to use the calendar, not understanding how digests work, being unable to change their subscription preferences, and not understanding how easy it is to search the archives and/or read messages online while receiving no mail from a high traffic list. Again, these issues are not related to accessibility at all though it is indeed harder for screen reader users to learn to use these features simply because they have to master the screen reader first.

--Debee



From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Spangler
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 1:25 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Listserv/group recommendations

Google Groups is one and Freelists is another, the latter being more for tech-based discussion groups I believe.


On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Lavey,Shannon <Shannon.Lavey@colostate.edu<mailto:Shannon.Lavey@colostate.edu>> wrote:
Hello!

Does anyone have recommendations for an accessible and user-friendly listserv or group that is similar to Yahoo Groups (ability to post discussions, announcements, files, etc.)?

Thank you for any insight!!

Shannon

----------------------------------------------------
Shannon Lavey, MS, OTR/L
Student Service Coordinator and Provider

Assistive Technology Resource Center
301 Occupational Therapy Building
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO  80523-1573
970-491-4241
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Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
Phone: 937-229-2066
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From Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu  Wed Jul 25 14:55:09 2018
From: Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu (Kluesner, Bryon)
Date: Wed Jul 25 14:55:27 2018
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
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We had one student use it last semester and it was paid for as a monthly subscription ($89?) by a private donation to the office. The complaint the student had was it drained his cell phone battery. He is working with Aira on how to get a discounted institutional rate and plans to to talk to city mayor about making it available downtown. He did like it, except the cell phone app issue.


Bryon


Bryon Kluesner, RhD
Adaptive Technology Coordinator
Disability Resource Center
Adjunct Professor
College of Health, Education & Professional Studies
University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
103 Frist Hall
Chattanooga, TN 37403
423-425-5251


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Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:16 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira


Good afternoon all,



I am curious if anyone has any experiences in using Aira (aira.io<https://aira.io/>) with students who are blind, specifically on an institution level. We have one student utilizing a personal subscription in the classroom with seemingly great success, and we are curious if this might be a worthwhile investment for all of our students to utilize. Any information you are able to provide would be greatly appreciated.

[https://aira.io/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/IMG_7847-RT.jpg]<https://aira.io/>

Home - Aira : Aira<https://aira.io/>
aira.io
Your Life, Your Schedule, Right Now. Using augmented reality, Aira connects people who are blind or low vision to a trained professional agent who is dedicated to further enhancing their everyday experience ? completely hands-free assistance at the touch of a button.




Thank you very much.



Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center

Plaza 122

Metropolitan State University of Denver

ipriest@msudenver.edu

Phone: 303-615-0200

Fax: 720-778-5662

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From danc at uw.edu  Wed Jul 25 22:49:05 2018
From: danc at uw.edu (Dan Comden)
Date: Wed Jul 25 22:49:50 2018
Subject: [Athen] Slightly OT: A concern for the future of Windows-based
	AT
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That article puts the onus on browsers. AT still has it handled for the
most part.

I'm not trolling, really. We have HTML standards and ARIA -- and AT can
know that stuff if it's coded properly. It's the OS and app builders who
are falling short, in my opinion.

Discuss :)

-*- Dan

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Deborah Armstrong <
armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu> wrote:

> I respectfully disagree. Screen readers still largely have a use case of a
> static web page. They don?t cope well when a page changes constantly. All
> geographic relationships between pieces of data are lost as it?s displayed
> in a flat representation ? see this blog post for clarification:
>
>                 https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/09/29/rethinking-web-
> accessibility-on-windows/
>
>
>
> They ignore some clickable elements. They tell the user that he?s focused
> on an edit box when he isn?t. Various browser and screen reader
> combinations give different results.
>
> The very fact that there are three different modes of JAWS to access a web
> page, forms mode, virtual cursor and application mode and the idea that the
> user needs to understand the concepts of HTML (navigate to the third list
> to find your homework assignment!) makes the web more confusing for the
> screen reader user than working say with something simple like Wordpad.
>
>
>
> Now take a magnification user. I was just helping someone last week with
> this completely accessible page:
>
>                 http://www.accessibleworld.org
>
>
>
> and she didn?t see one of the columns at all. She was reading only half
> the page, because she didn?t know there was a column to the right. The
> screen reader user doesn?t know there are columns at all.
>
>
>
> And if we?re talking about users with learning differences, consider how
> each web interface ? online learning is a great example ? is completely
> different. Do you go to tasks, preferences, settings, options or profile to
> set up for your online class?  With a busy page, where do you tell the
> speech to start reading? If you use a keyboard, is it alt-O, ctrl-O,
> shift-O, ctrl-alt-f then O  or is it Alt1, then O to open a file? I?ve seen
> different online apps that use these keystrokes, whereas a mouse user just
> clicks ?Open?.
>
>
>
> Back in the early 1990s when Alan Cooper wrote ?The Inmates are running
> the asylum? we learned how the presence of modes and the absence of
> consistency in an interface made it problematic.
>
>
>
> OK, so this has nothing to do with AT. But AT isn?t coping with it
> gracefully either; it?s giving access, but the ramp is pretty darn steep
> for a manual chair!
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] *On
> Behalf Of *Dan Comden
> *Sent:* Monday, July 23, 2018 10:53 PM
> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list@u.washington.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Slightly OT: A concern for the future of
> Windows-based AT
>
>
>
> Hi Deborah,
>
> Thanks for linking the article. The following is not directed at you. And
> your article is not Off Topic at all.
>
>
>
> How about a different position -- AT has things handled. For the most
> part, screenreaders, TTS, STS, magnifiers -- they all understand basic
> underlying html.
>
>
>
> So who is getting it wrong? The companies putting out shoddy interfaces
> and non-standard apps? Or the browsers? Assistive tech for the most part
> has it handled.
>
>
>
> Discuss.
>
>
>
> -*- Dan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Deborah Armstrong <
> armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu> wrote:
>
> Bloomberg has an interesting story about Amy Hood, Microsoft?s CFO.
>
>
>
> One business trend for this past decade is that a CFO is no longer a
> glorified accountant/budget analyst. They are now part of the senior
> management team ? determiners of strategy rather than implementers.
> Microsoft? Q4 earnings report came out Thursday and according to Bloomberg,
> investors are saying Ms. Hood is the best CFO Microsoft has ever had.
>
>
>
> One thing she?s done is take money away from legacy divisions and put it
> in to the cloud. Since 2002 when she was hired her goal is to move
> Microsoft more towards cloud-based subscription models for their products ?
> I?m paraphrasing Bloomberg here?previously most divisions could ask for
> what they wanted budget-wise and could expect to get it ? that?s no longer
> true.  Bloomberg also comments that Ms. Hood timed her start date back in
> 2002 to get maximum access to the employee stock purchase plan.
>
>
>
> So despite what we see at conferences with Microsoft?s waving of the
> accessibility banner, I don?t think it?s going to be smooth sailing ahead.
> If it doesn?t improve growth it?s going to be ignored.
>
>
>
> The earnings reports no longer say anything about Windows, so we can
> assume it is gradually going to just be a framework for a browser; already
> most new apps are PWAS (progressive web apps) which means no installation,
> no data on your own PC, but you need to be online to access any of it.
>
>
>
> This means that AT is going to need to get much better at dealing with
> progressive web apps and other online offerings. For keyboard users, there
> is no longer a consistent, reliable set of keystrokes for operating
> web-based applications. For screen reader users, just to take one example,
> pressing Tab can take you out of the application and in to the address bar
> which is very confusing; imagine if a single and frequently used keystroke
> could dump you out of the operating system! For magnification users, the
> lack of standards in a web-based interface means that you can miss
> important information because you weren?t looking in the right place.
>
>
>
> The full Bloomberg story is here:
>
>                 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-16/how-
> amy-hood-won-back-wall-street-and-helped-reboot-microsoft
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From rspangler1 at udayton.edu  Thu Jul 26 06:16:39 2018
From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler)
Date: Thu Jul 26 06:16:58 2018
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
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Hello, I don't think the cellphone battery would be an issue if the student
used the glasses that come with the product.  I think this makes it easier
for the agent on the other end to see the environment, too.  Also, as far
as "making it available downtown" - I don't think that it's made available
anywhere; the blind individual calls in and an agent answers their
questions, meaning that it's available everywhere.  I shall stand
corrected, however.


On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Kluesner, Bryon <Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu>
wrote:

> We had one student use it last semester and it was paid for as a monthly
> subscription ($89?) by a private donation to the office. The complaint the
> student had was it drained his cell phone battery. He is working with Aira
> on how to get a discounted institutional rate and plans to to talk to city
> mayor about making it available downtown. He did like it, except the
> cell phone app issue.
>
>
> Bryon
>
>
> Bryon Kluesner, RhD
> Adaptive Technology Coordinator
> Disability Resource Center
> Adjunct Professor
> College of Health, Education & Professional Studies
> University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
> 103 Frist Hall
> Chattanooga, TN 37403
> 423-425-5251
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> on
> behalf of Priest, Ione <ipriest@msudenver.edu>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:16 PM
> *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu
> *Subject:* [Athen] Experiences with Aira
>
>
> Good afternoon all,
>
>
>
> I am curious if anyone has any experiences in using Aira (aira.io) with
> students who are blind, specifically on an institution level. We have one
> student utilizing a personal subscription in the classroom with seemingly
> great success, and we are curious if this might be a worthwhile investment
> for all of our students to utilize. Any information you are able to provide
> would be greatly appreciated.
> <https://aira.io/>
> Home - Aira : Aira <https://aira.io/>
> aira.io
> Your Life, Your Schedule, Right Now. Using augmented reality, Aira
> connects people who are blind or low vision to a trained professional agent
> who is dedicated to further enhancing their everyday experience ?
> completely hands-free assistance at the touch of a button.
>
>
>
> Thank you very much.
>
>
>
>
> *Ione Priest, CPACC *Accessibility Technology Manager
> Access Center
>
> Plaza 122
>
> Metropolitan State University of Denver
>
> ipriest@msudenver.edu
>
> Phone: 303-615-0200
>
> Fax: 720-778-5662
>
> [image: Metropolitan State University of Denver]
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Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
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From frederick.273 at osu.edu  Thu Jul 26 06:33:55 2018
From: frederick.273 at osu.edu (Frederick, Kathryn A.)
Date: Thu Jul 26 06:34:41 2018
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
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AIRA is available for monthly subscriptions, but there is also a feature called ?site Access,? which means that if a person is using AIRA at a designated location that has the access, the AIRA usage doesn?t go against their paid for minutes. I hope this helps clarify?

Katie

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Robert Spangler
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 9:17 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

Hello, I don't think the cellphone battery would be an issue if the student used the glasses that come with the product.  I think this makes it easier for the agent on the other end to see the environment, too.  Also, as far as "making it available downtown" - I don't think that it's made available anywhere; the blind individual calls in and an agent answers their questions, meaning that it's available everywhere.  I shall stand corrected, however.


On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Kluesner, Bryon <Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu<mailto:Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu>> wrote:

We had one student use it last semester and it was paid for as a monthly subscription ($89?) by a private donation to the office. The complaint the student had was it drained his cell phone battery. He is working with Aira on how to get a discounted institutional rate and plans to to talk to city mayor about making it available downtown. He did like it, except the cell phone app issue.



Bryon


Bryon Kluesner, RhD
Adaptive Technology Coordinator
Disability Resource Center
Adjunct Professor
College of Health, Education & Professional Studies
University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
103 Frist Hall
Chattanooga, TN 37403
423-425-5251

________________________________
From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> on behalf of Priest, Ione <ipriest@msudenver.edu<mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu>>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:16 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira


Good afternoon all,



I am curious if anyone has any experiences in using Aira (aira.io<https://aira.io/>) with students who are blind, specifically on an institution level. We have one student utilizing a personal subscription in the classroom with seemingly great success, and we are curious if this might be a worthwhile investment for all of our students to utilize. Any information you are able to provide would be greatly appreciated.
[https://aira.io/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/IMG_7847-RT.jpg]<https://aira.io/>

Home - Aira : Aira<https://aira.io/>
aira.io<http://aira.io>
Your Life, Your Schedule, Right Now. Using augmented reality, Aira connects people who are blind or low vision to a trained professional agent who is dedicated to further enhancing their everyday experience ? completely hands-free assistance at the touch of a button.




Thank you very much.



Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center

Plaza 122

Metropolitan State University of Denver

ipriest@msudenver.edu<mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu>

Phone: 303-615-0200

Fax: 720-778-5662

[Metropolitan State University of Denver]

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Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023
Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
Phone: 937-229-2066
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From mstores at indiana.edu  Thu Jul 26 06:44:25 2018
From: mstores at indiana.edu (Stores, Mary A.)
Date: Thu Jul 26 06:44:33 2018
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
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Hello,

 

We have quite a few students using Aira on the Indianapolis campus. There
has been a lot of construction, both in and out of buildings, and Aira helps
tremendously in those situations. Aira is also helpful when going to campus
cafeterias or Stores, because an agent can read the different menus and help
students navigate through lines without bumping into other people. Aira is
also helpful when watching films in class if the student can get close
enough to the screen. An agent can describe the action and in some cases,
rea subtitles. Stuff like that is helpful in foreign language classes. 

 

What would be difficult is if the student has to rely on Aira in a math
class, and the instructor is talking and writing on a board. Some math
instructors insist that if they are going over mathematical concepts, the
only way to understand them fully is to write out equations and how to solve
them by hand. Aira agents might have difficulty seeing the writing, and even
if they take pictures of it so they can magnify it, that takes time. It
would be difficult to listen to an instructor, listen to the agent, and take
notes. 

 

One other difficulty occurs if the institution doesn't establish firm
guidelines with the students. When Aira was set up for students on the Indy
campus, they were given the glasses and told good luck. Any technical issues
that came up they had to solve themselves. And now that the new Horizon
glasses are out, since the students weren't given guidelines and the
administration who originally set up Aira for the students all moved on,
there's big debate about whether or not the students themselves can request
the upgrade to the Horizon glasses. 

 

Incidentally, Bryan, you mentioned how Aira can drain a cell phone's battery
power. With the new Horizon glasses comes a phone which can be used with the
new AI Chloe. That way your student would be able to receive phone calls and
messages and the like on their own personal phones and have it as backup in
case the Aira phone drains. Chloe will either open KNFB reader for you and
scan documents (which is useful when instructors give out last minute
handouts) or it will connect to an agent. If it's in the middle of class and
the OCR didn't do so well on scanning a document, a student could use the
new Aira message feature and text an agent and attach the OCR image, and the
agent could text back what it was supposed to say. 

 

Another way that students have used Aira is to check over the formatting of
papers before turning them in. I think we all have been duped by auto format
in Word. An agent would be able to help the student make sure the paper was
in the format the student needs.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Mary

 

 

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf
Of Kluesner, Bryon
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:55 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

 

We had one student use it last semester and it was paid for as a monthly
subscription ($89?) by a private donation to the office. The complaint the
student had was it drained his cell phone battery. He is working with Aira
on how to get a discounted institutional rate and plans to to talk to city
mayor about making it available downtown. He did like it, except the cell
phone app issue.

 

Bryon

 

Bryon Kluesner, RhD

Adaptive Technology Coordinator

Disability Resource Center

Adjunct Professor

College of Health, Education & Professional Studies

University of Tennessee at Chattanooga

103 Frist Hall

Chattanooga, TN 37403

423-425-5251

 

  _____  

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu
<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > on behalf of
Priest, Ione <ipriest@msudenver.edu <mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu> >
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:16 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu> 
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira 

 

Good afternoon all,

 

I am curious if anyone has any experiences in using Aira (aira.io
<https://aira.io/> ) with students who are blind, specifically on an
institution level. We have one student utilizing a personal subscription in
the classroom with seemingly great success, and we are curious if this might
be a worthwhile investment for all of our students to utilize. Any
information you are able to provide would be greatly appreciated.


 <https://aira.io/> 

 <https://aira.io/> Home - Aira : Aira

aira.io

Your Life, Your Schedule, Right Now. Using augmented reality, Aira connects
people who are blind or low vision to a trained professional agent who is
dedicated to further enhancing their everyday experience - completely
hands-free assistance at the touch of a button.

 

Thank you very much.

 

Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center 

Plaza 122

Metropolitan State University of Denver

ipriest@msudenver.edu <mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu> 

Phone: 303-615-0200

Fax: 720-778-5662



This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the
intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information.  Any
unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited.  If you
are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by
reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.

 

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From mstores at indiana.edu  Thu Jul 26 06:58:52 2018
From: mstores at indiana.edu (Stores, Mary A.)
Date: Thu Jul 26 06:58:58 2018
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
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I know of at leadt one university in Indiana that has gotten site access, so whenever Aira subscribers get close to campus, a notification pops up telling them they can use Aira for free while on that campus. For the week before Mother?s day, every Wallmart was a site access location, so subscribers could use it for free to shop for Mother?s day gifts. I can tell you from person experience that 100 minutes for $89 flies by. Being able to have site access would not take away any of those 100 precious minutes a month.

 

Mary

 

 

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Frederick, Kathryn A.
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 9:34 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

 

AIRA is available for monthly subscriptions, but there is also a feature called ?site Access,? which means that if a person is using AIRA at a designated location that has the access, the AIRA usage doesn?t go against their paid for minutes. I hope this helps clarify?

 

Katie

 

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Robert Spangler
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 9:17 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

 

Hello, I don't think the cellphone battery would be an issue if the student used the glasses that come with the product.  I think this makes it easier for the agent on the other end to see the environment, too.  Also, as far as "making it available downtown" - I don't think that it's made available anywhere; the blind individual calls in and an agent answers their questions, meaning that it's available everywhere.  I shall stand corrected, however.

 

 

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Kluesner, Bryon <Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu <mailto:Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> > wrote:

We had one student use it last semester and it was paid for as a monthly subscription ($89?) by a private donation to the office. The complaint the student had was it drained his cell phone battery. He is working with Aira on how to get a discounted institutional rate and plans to to talk to city mayor about making it available downtown. He did like it, except the cell phone app issue.

 

Bryon

 

Bryon Kluesner, RhD

Adaptive Technology Coordinator

Disability Resource Center

Adjunct Professor

College of Health, Education & Professional Studies

University of Tennessee at Chattanooga

103 Frist Hall

Chattanooga, TN 37403

423-425-5251

 


  _____  


From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > on behalf of Priest, Ione <ipriest@msudenver.edu <mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu> >
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:16 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu> 
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira 

 

Good afternoon all,

 

I am curious if anyone has any experiences in using Aira (aira.io <https://aira.io/> ) with students who are blind, specifically on an institution level. We have one student utilizing a personal subscription in the classroom with seemingly great success, and we are curious if this might be a worthwhile investment for all of our students to utilize. Any information you are able to provide would be greatly appreciated.


 <https://aira.io/> 

 <https://aira.io/> Home - Aira : Aira

aira.io <http://aira.io> 

Your Life, Your Schedule, Right Now. Using augmented reality, Aira connects people who are blind or low vision to a trained professional agent who is dedicated to further enhancing their everyday experience ? completely hands-free assistance at the touch of a button.

 

Thank you very much.

 

Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center 

Plaza 122

Metropolitan State University of Denver

ipriest@msudenver.edu <mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu> 

Phone: 303-615-0200

Fax: 720-778-5662



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Disability Services Technical Support Specialist
rspangler1@udayton.edu <mailto:rspangler1@udayton.edu> 
Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023
Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 
Phone: 937-229-2066

Fax: 937-229-3270

Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing)

Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning

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From kerscher at montana.com  Thu Jul 26 07:21:50 2018
From: kerscher at montana.com (George Kerscher)
Date: Thu Jul 26 07:22:43 2018
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
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Hi,
 
In addition, if the student installs teamviewer.com software, the agent can
remote in to the computer and assist with accessibility issues. If it is a
JAWS problem, e.g. not reading correctly, the call is charged to VFO.
 
Best
George
 
 
From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf
Of Stores, Mary A.
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 7:44 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
 
Hello,
 
We have quite a few students using Aira on the Indianapolis campus. There
has been a lot of construction, both in and out of buildings, and Aira helps
tremendously in those situations. Aira is also helpful when going to campus
cafeterias or Stores, because an agent can read the different menus and help
students navigate through lines without bumping into other people. Aira is
also helpful when watching films in class if the student can get close
enough to the screen. An agent can describe the action and in some cases,
rea subtitles. Stuff like that is helpful in foreign language classes. 
 
What would be difficult is if the student has to rely on Aira in a math
class, and the instructor is talking and writing on a board. Some math
instructors insist that if they are going over mathematical concepts, the
only way to understand them fully is to write out equations and how to solve
them by hand. Aira agents might have difficulty seeing the writing, and even
if they take pictures of it so they can magnify it, that takes time. It
would be difficult to listen to an instructor, listen to the agent, and take
notes. 
 
One other difficulty occurs if the institution doesn't establish firm
guidelines with the students. When Aira was set up for students on the Indy
campus, they were given the glasses and told good luck. Any technical issues
that came up they had to solve themselves. And now that the new Horizon
glasses are out, since the students weren't given guidelines and the
administration who originally set up Aira for the students all moved on,
there's big debate about whether or not the students themselves can request
the upgrade to the Horizon glasses. 
 
Incidentally, Bryan, you mentioned how Aira can drain a cell phone's battery
power. With the new Horizon glasses comes a phone which can be used with the
new AI Chloe. That way your student would be able to receive phone calls and
messages and the like on their own personal phones and have it as backup in
case the Aira phone drains. Chloe will either open KNFB reader for you and
scan documents (which is useful when instructors give out last minute
handouts) or it will connect to an agent. If it's in the middle of class and
the OCR didn't do so well on scanning a document, a student could use the
new Aira message feature and text an agent and attach the OCR image, and the
agent could text back what it was supposed to say. 
 
Another way that students have used Aira is to check over the formatting of
papers before turning them in. I think we all have been duped by auto format
in Word. An agent would be able to help the student make sure the paper was
in the format the student needs.
 
I hope this helps.
 
Mary
 
 
From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf
Of Kluesner, Bryon
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:55 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
 
We had one student use it last semester and it was paid for as a monthly
subscription ($89?) by a private donation to the office. The complaint the
student had was it drained his cell phone battery. He is working with Aira
on how to get a discounted institutional rate and plans to to talk to city
mayor about making it available downtown. He did like it, except the cell
phone app issue.
 
Bryon
 
Bryon Kluesner, RhD
Adaptive Technology Coordinator
Disability Resource Center
Adjunct Professor
College of Health, Education & Professional Studies
University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
103 Frist Hall
Chattanooga, TN 37403
423-425-5251
 
  _____  

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu
<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > on behalf of
Priest, Ione <ipriest@msudenver.edu <mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu> >
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:16 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu> 
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira 
 
Good afternoon all,
 
I am curious if anyone has any experiences in using Aira (aira.io
<https://aira.io/> ) with students who are blind, specifically on an
institution level. We have one student utilizing a personal subscription in
the classroom with seemingly great success, and we are curious if this might
be a worthwhile investment for all of our students to utilize. Any
information you are able to provide would be greatly appreciated.

 <https://aira.io/> 
 <https://aira.io/> Home - Aira : Aira
aira.io
Your Life, Your Schedule, Right Now. Using augmented reality, Aira connects
people who are blind or low vision to a trained professional agent who is
dedicated to further enhancing their everyday experience - completely
hands-free assistance at the touch of a button.
 
Thank you very much.
 
Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center 
Plaza 122
Metropolitan State University of Denver
ipriest@msudenver.edu <mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu> 
Phone: 303-615-0200
Fax: 720-778-5662

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From ipriest at msudenver.edu  Thu Jul 26 07:44:41 2018
From: ipriest at msudenver.edu (Priest, Ione)
Date: Thu Jul 26 07:44:47 2018
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
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Thank you all for the feedback so far! Very helpful information, as always. Is anyone able and willing to share information on what site access pricing would be (roughly)? We have a call in to Aira to get more information, but a ballpark figure may be helpful in advance of that conversation. Feel free to email me privately, also.

Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center
Plaza 122
Metropolitan State University of Denver
ipriest@msudenver.edu
Phone: 303-615-0200
Fax: 720-778-5662
[Metropolitan State University of Denver]
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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of George Kerscher
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:22 AM
To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

Hi,

In addition, if the student installs teamviewer.com software, the agent can remote in to the computer and assist with accessibility issues. If it is a JAWS problem, e.g. not reading correctly, the call is charged to VFO.

Best
George


From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Stores, Mary A.
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 7:44 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

Hello,

We have quite a few students using Aira on the Indianapolis campus. There has been a lot of construction, both in and out of buildings, and Aira helps tremendously in those situations. Aira is also helpful when going to campus cafeterias or Stores, because an agent can read the different menus and help students navigate through lines without bumping into other people. Aira is also helpful when watching films in class if the student can get close enough to the screen. An agent can describe the action and in some cases, rea subtitles. Stuff like that is helpful in foreign language classes.

What would be difficult is if the student has to rely on Aira in a math class, and the instructor is talking and writing on a board. Some math instructors insist that if they are going over mathematical concepts, the only way to understand them fully is to write out equations and how to solve them by hand. Aira agents might have difficulty seeing the writing, and even if they take pictures of it so they can magnify it, that takes time. It would be difficult to listen to an instructor, listen to the agent, and take notes.

One other difficulty occurs if the institution doesn't establish firm guidelines with the students. When Aira was set up for students on the Indy campus, they were given the glasses and told good luck. Any technical issues that came up they had to solve themselves. And now that the new Horizon glasses are out, since the students weren't given guidelines and the administration who originally set up Aira for the students all moved on, there's big debate about whether or not the students themselves can request the upgrade to the Horizon glasses.

Incidentally, Bryan, you mentioned how Aira can drain a cell phone's battery power. With the new Horizon glasses comes a phone which can be used with the new AI Chloe. That way your student would be able to receive phone calls and messages and the like on their own personal phones and have it as backup in case the Aira phone drains. Chloe will either open KNFB reader for you and scan documents (which is useful when instructors give out last minute handouts) or it will connect to an agent. If it's in the middle of class and the OCR didn't do so well on scanning a document, a student could use the new Aira message feature and text an agent and attach the OCR image, and the agent could text back what it was supposed to say.

Another way that students have used Aira is to check over the formatting of papers before turning them in. I think we all have been duped by auto format in Word. An agent would be able to help the student make sure the paper was in the format the student needs.

I hope this helps.

Mary


From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:55 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira


We had one student use it last semester and it was paid for as a monthly subscription ($89?) by a private donation to the office. The complaint the student had was it drained his cell phone battery. He is working with Aira on how to get a discounted institutional rate and plans to to talk to city mayor about making it available downtown. He did like it, except the cell phone app issue.



Bryon


Bryon Kluesner, RhD
Adaptive Technology Coordinator
Disability Resource Center
Adjunct Professor
College of Health, Education & Professional Studies
University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
103 Frist Hall
Chattanooga, TN 37403
423-425-5251

________________________________
From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> on behalf of Priest, Ione <ipriest@msudenver.edu<mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu>>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:16 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira


Good afternoon all,



I am curious if anyone has any experiences in using Aira (aira.io<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faira.io%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cipriest%40msudenver.edu%7Cb6698d5de9a743bf411908d5f303b740%7C03309ca417334af9a73cf18cc841325c%7C1%7C1%7C636682119659543100&sdata=zlLz67pSQ9Hyc2gKF4CV3GP4wCYxkltwWA7lzjEnjfI%3D&reserved=0>) with students who are blind, specifically on an institution level. We have one student utilizing a personal subscription in the classroom with seemingly great success, and we are curious if this might be a worthwhile investment for all of our students to utilize. Any information you are able to provide would be greatly appreciated.
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aira.io
Your Life, Your Schedule, Right Now. Using augmented reality, Aira connects people who are blind or low vision to a trained professional agent who is dedicated to further enhancing their everyday experience - completely hands-free assistance at the touch of a button.




Thank you very much.



Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center

Plaza 122

Metropolitan State University of Denver

ipriest@msudenver.edu<mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu>

Phone: 303-615-0200

Fax: 720-778-5662

[Metropolitan State University of Denver]

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From mstores at indiana.edu  Thu Jul 26 07:53:06 2018
From: mstores at indiana.edu (Stores, Mary A.)
Date: Thu Jul 26 07:53:29 2018
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
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Institutional pricing is different than personal subscription pricing. I
know most of the Indy students have the institution subscription and
unlimited minutes. It would be the only way you could find Aira useful on
campus. I don't know what the institution price is. The web site  just says
to call them.

 

And site access, just for clarification, is only relevant for one particular
location where Aira can be used for free. You would probably have to call
them to get that information also.

 

Mary

 

 

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf
Of Priest, Ione
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 10:45 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

 

Thank you all for the feedback so far! Very helpful information, as always.
Is anyone able and willing to share information on what site access pricing
would be (roughly)? We have a call in to Aira to get more information, but a
ballpark figure may be helpful in advance of that conversation. Feel free to
email me privately, also.

 

Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center 

Plaza 122

Metropolitan State University of Denver

ipriest@msudenver.edu <mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu> 

Phone: 303-615-0200

Fax: 720-778-5662



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intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information.  Any
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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu
<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > On Behalf Of George
Kerscher
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:22 AM
To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'
<athen-list@u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu> >
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

 

Hi,

 

In addition, if the student installs teamviewer.com software, the agent can
remote in to the computer and assist with accessibility issues. If it is a
JAWS problem, e.g. not reading correctly, the call is charged to VFO.

 

Best

George

 

 

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu
<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > On Behalf Of
Stores, Mary A.
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 7:44 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu
<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu> >
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

 

Hello,

 

We have quite a few students using Aira on the Indianapolis campus. There
has been a lot of construction, both in and out of buildings, and Aira helps
tremendously in those situations. Aira is also helpful when going to campus
cafeterias or Stores, because an agent can read the different menus and help
students navigate through lines without bumping into other people. Aira is
also helpful when watching films in class if the student can get close
enough to the screen. An agent can describe the action and in some cases,
rea subtitles. Stuff like that is helpful in foreign language classes. 

 

What would be difficult is if the student has to rely on Aira in a math
class, and the instructor is talking and writing on a board. Some math
instructors insist that if they are going over mathematical concepts, the
only way to understand them fully is to write out equations and how to solve
them by hand. Aira agents might have difficulty seeing the writing, and even
if they take pictures of it so they can magnify it, that takes time. It
would be difficult to listen to an instructor, listen to the agent, and take
notes. 

 

One other difficulty occurs if the institution doesn't establish firm
guidelines with the students. When Aira was set up for students on the Indy
campus, they were given the glasses and told good luck. Any technical issues
that came up they had to solve themselves. And now that the new Horizon
glasses are out, since the students weren't given guidelines and the
administration who originally set up Aira for the students all moved on,
there's big debate about whether or not the students themselves can request
the upgrade to the Horizon glasses. 

 

Incidentally, Bryan, you mentioned how Aira can drain a cell phone's battery
power. With the new Horizon glasses comes a phone which can be used with the
new AI Chloe. That way your student would be able to receive phone calls and
messages and the like on their own personal phones and have it as backup in
case the Aira phone drains. Chloe will either open KNFB reader for you and
scan documents (which is useful when instructors give out last minute
handouts) or it will connect to an agent. If it's in the middle of class and
the OCR didn't do so well on scanning a document, a student could use the
new Aira message feature and text an agent and attach the OCR image, and the
agent could text back what it was supposed to say. 

 

Another way that students have used Aira is to check over the formatting of
papers before turning them in. I think we all have been duped by auto format
in Word. An agent would be able to help the student make sure the paper was
in the format the student needs.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Mary

 

 

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu
<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > On Behalf Of
Kluesner, Bryon
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:55 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu
<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu> >
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

 

We had one student use it last semester and it was paid for as a monthly
subscription ($89?) by a private donation to the office. The complaint the
student had was it drained his cell phone battery. He is working with Aira
on how to get a discounted institutional rate and plans to to talk to city
mayor about making it available downtown. He did like it, except the cell
phone app issue.

 

Bryon

 

Bryon Kluesner, RhD

Adaptive Technology Coordinator

Disability Resource Center

Adjunct Professor

College of Health, Education & Professional Studies

University of Tennessee at Chattanooga

103 Frist Hall

Chattanooga, TN 37403

423-425-5251

 

  _____  

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<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > on behalf of
Priest, Ione <ipriest@msudenver.edu <mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu> >
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:16 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu> 
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira 

 

Good afternoon all,

 

I am curious if anyone has any experiences in using Aira (aira.io
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faira.io%2F
&data=02%7C01%7Cipriest%40msudenver.edu%7Cb6698d5de9a743bf411908d5f303b740%7
C03309ca417334af9a73cf18cc841325c%7C1%7C1%7C636682119659543100&sdata=zlLz67p
SQ9Hyc2gKF4CV3GP4wCYxkltwWA7lzjEnjfI%3D&reserved=0> ) with students who are
blind, specifically on an institution level. We have one student utilizing a
personal subscription in the classroom with seemingly great success, and we
are curious if this might be a worthwhile investment for all of our students
to utilize. Any information you are able to provide would be greatly
appreciated.


 
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faira.io%2F
&data=02%7C01%7Cipriest%40msudenver.edu%7Cb6698d5de9a743bf411908d5f303b740%7
C03309ca417334af9a73cf18cc841325c%7C1%7C1%7C636682119659543100&sdata=zlLz67p
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C03309ca417334af9a73cf18cc841325c%7C1%7C1%7C636682119659553108&sdata=NtB3loP
cIszu9q1vCbMx0sdYjBbDPzMdrF4Dr%2Fz3rLc%3D&reserved=0> Home - Aira : Aira

aira.io

Your Life, Your Schedule, Right Now. Using augmented reality, Aira connects
people who are blind or low vision to a trained professional agent who is
dedicated to further enhancing their everyday experience - completely
hands-free assistance at the touch of a button.

 

Thank you very much.

 

Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center 

Plaza 122

Metropolitan State University of Denver

ipriest@msudenver.edu <mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu> 

Phone: 303-615-0200

Fax: 720-778-5662



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From rebecca.mcmillan at duke.edu  Thu Jul 26 07:57:42 2018
From: rebecca.mcmillan at duke.edu (Rebecca McMillan)
Date: Thu Jul 26 07:58:18 2018
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
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Hi all,

We just purchased a 2 year contract with Unlimited minutes for 1 of our students with Aira.  The total cost was $7,900.  Honestly, a steal in our minds! And great customer service.  Just hoping it is all the say it is but our student also has prior experience with it and loves it!

Best,
Rebecca


[Description: Rethinking the Boundaries]<http://www.fuqua.duke.edu/>

Rebecca R. McMillan
Assistant Director of Student Life, Daytime MBA Program
Duke University | The Fuqua School of Business<http://www.fuqua.duke.edu/>
100 Fuqua Drive, Box 90120, Durham, NC 27708-0120 USA
Tel 1.919.660.1932 | rebecca.mcmillan@duke.edu<mailto:rebecca.mcmillan@duke.edu>



From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Priest, Ione
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 10:45 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

Thank you all for the feedback so far! Very helpful information, as always. Is anyone able and willing to share information on what site access pricing would be (roughly)? We have a call in to Aira to get more information, but a ballpark figure may be helpful in advance of that conversation. Feel free to email me privately, also.

Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center
Plaza 122
Metropolitan State University of Denver
ipriest@msudenver.edu<mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu>
Phone: 303-615-0200
Fax: 720-778-5662
[Metropolitan State University of Denver]
This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information.  Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of George Kerscher
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:22 AM
To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

Hi,

In addition, if the student installs teamviewer.com software, the agent can remote in to the computer and assist with accessibility issues. If it is a JAWS problem, e.g. not reading correctly, the call is charged to VFO.

Best
George


From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Stores, Mary A.
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 7:44 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

Hello,

We have quite a few students using Aira on the Indianapolis campus. There has been a lot of construction, both in and out of buildings, and Aira helps tremendously in those situations. Aira is also helpful when going to campus cafeterias or Stores, because an agent can read the different menus and help students navigate through lines without bumping into other people. Aira is also helpful when watching films in class if the student can get close enough to the screen. An agent can describe the action and in some cases, rea subtitles. Stuff like that is helpful in foreign language classes.

What would be difficult is if the student has to rely on Aira in a math class, and the instructor is talking and writing on a board. Some math instructors insist that if they are going over mathematical concepts, the only way to understand them fully is to write out equations and how to solve them by hand. Aira agents might have difficulty seeing the writing, and even if they take pictures of it so they can magnify it, that takes time. It would be difficult to listen to an instructor, listen to the agent, and take notes.

One other difficulty occurs if the institution doesn't establish firm guidelines with the students. When Aira was set up for students on the Indy campus, they were given the glasses and told good luck. Any technical issues that came up they had to solve themselves. And now that the new Horizon glasses are out, since the students weren't given guidelines and the administration who originally set up Aira for the students all moved on, there's big debate about whether or not the students themselves can request the upgrade to the Horizon glasses.

Incidentally, Bryan, you mentioned how Aira can drain a cell phone's battery power. With the new Horizon glasses comes a phone which can be used with the new AI Chloe. That way your student would be able to receive phone calls and messages and the like on their own personal phones and have it as backup in case the Aira phone drains. Chloe will either open KNFB reader for you and scan documents (which is useful when instructors give out last minute handouts) or it will connect to an agent. If it's in the middle of class and the OCR didn't do so well on scanning a document, a student could use the new Aira message feature and text an agent and attach the OCR image, and the agent could text back what it was supposed to say.

Another way that students have used Aira is to check over the formatting of papers before turning them in. I think we all have been duped by auto format in Word. An agent would be able to help the student make sure the paper was in the format the student needs.

I hope this helps.

Mary


From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:55 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira


We had one student use it last semester and it was paid for as a monthly subscription ($89?) by a private donation to the office. The complaint the student had was it drained his cell phone battery. He is working with Aira on how to get a discounted institutional rate and plans to to talk to city mayor about making it available downtown. He did like it, except the cell phone app issue.



Bryon


Bryon Kluesner, RhD
Adaptive Technology Coordinator
Disability Resource Center
Adjunct Professor
College of Health, Education & Professional Studies
University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
103 Frist Hall
Chattanooga, TN 37403
423-425-5251

________________________________
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Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:16 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira


Good afternoon all,



I am curious if anyone has any experiences in using Aira (aira.io<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Faira.io-252F-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cipriest-2540msudenver.edu-257Cb6698d5de9a743bf411908d5f303b740-257C03309ca417334af9a73cf18cc841325c-257C1-257C1-257C636682119659543100-26sdata-3DzlLz67pSQ9Hyc2gKF4CV3GP4wCYxkltwWA7lzjEnjfI-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFAg&c=imBPVzF25OnBgGmVOlcsiEgHoG1i6YHLR0Sj_gZ4adc&r=eJfh88mGBVAulYBDEsbOoLH6GfFWVRyThnAabrXyTlI&m=dKc4SfFW9xj3JVwyGlZdAJUjhL1Jrkw4GGbq2f4JpiA&s=71i9GFLgFCkGPwUj3cQEOA1Ri2ktDY8mxefNSkwR7lg&e=>) with students who are blind, specifically on an institution level. We have one student utilizing a personal subscription in the classroom with seemingly great success, and we are curious if this might be a worthwhile investment for all of our students to utilize. Any information you are able to provide would be greatly appreciated.
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aira.io
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Thank you very much.



Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center

Plaza 122

Metropolitan State University of Denver

ipriest@msudenver.edu<mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu>

Phone: 303-615-0200

Fax: 720-778-5662

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From ipriest at msudenver.edu  Thu Jul 26 08:09:49 2018
From: ipriest at msudenver.edu (Priest, Ione)
Date: Thu Jul 26 08:10:01 2018
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
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Thanks for sharing, Rebecca. Do you know if the pricing was based on number of students or not?

Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center
Plaza 122
Metropolitan State University of Denver
ipriest@msudenver.edu
Phone: 303-615-0200
Fax: 720-778-5662
[Metropolitan State University of Denver]
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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Rebecca McMillan
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:58 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

Hi all,

We just purchased a 2 year contract with Unlimited minutes for 1 of our students with Aira.  The total cost was $7,900.  Honestly, a steal in our minds! And great customer service.  Just hoping it is all the say it is but our student also has prior experience with it and loves it!

Best,
Rebecca


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Rebecca R. McMillan
Assistant Director of Student Life, Daytime MBA Program
Duke University | The Fuqua School of Business<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fuqua.duke.edu%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cipriest%40msudenver.edu%7C451b4000dced4fc1fe5b08d5f3092299%7C03309ca417334af9a73cf18cc841325c%7C1%7C1%7C636682142933313053&sdata=Ntw4HJneueJ3JPkVeawkBoIjQZxgycjqOC9KwlJXfnU%3D&reserved=0>
100 Fuqua Drive, Box 90120, Durham, NC 27708-0120 USA
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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Priest, Ione
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 10:45 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

Thank you all for the feedback so far! Very helpful information, as always. Is anyone able and willing to share information on what site access pricing would be (roughly)? We have a call in to Aira to get more information, but a ballpark figure may be helpful in advance of that conversation. Feel free to email me privately, also.

Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center
Plaza 122
Metropolitan State University of Denver
ipriest@msudenver.edu<mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu>
Phone: 303-615-0200
Fax: 720-778-5662
[Metropolitan State University of Denver]
This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information.  Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of George Kerscher
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:22 AM
To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

Hi,

In addition, if the student installs teamviewer.com software, the agent can remote in to the computer and assist with accessibility issues. If it is a JAWS problem, e.g. not reading correctly, the call is charged to VFO.

Best
George


From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Stores, Mary A.
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 7:44 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

Hello,

We have quite a few students using Aira on the Indianapolis campus. There has been a lot of construction, both in and out of buildings, and Aira helps tremendously in those situations. Aira is also helpful when going to campus cafeterias or Stores, because an agent can read the different menus and help students navigate through lines without bumping into other people. Aira is also helpful when watching films in class if the student can get close enough to the screen. An agent can describe the action and in some cases, rea subtitles. Stuff like that is helpful in foreign language classes.

What would be difficult is if the student has to rely on Aira in a math class, and the instructor is talking and writing on a board. Some math instructors insist that if they are going over mathematical concepts, the only way to understand them fully is to write out equations and how to solve them by hand. Aira agents might have difficulty seeing the writing, and even if they take pictures of it so they can magnify it, that takes time. It would be difficult to listen to an instructor, listen to the agent, and take notes.

One other difficulty occurs if the institution doesn't establish firm guidelines with the students. When Aira was set up for students on the Indy campus, they were given the glasses and told good luck. Any technical issues that came up they had to solve themselves. And now that the new Horizon glasses are out, since the students weren't given guidelines and the administration who originally set up Aira for the students all moved on, there's big debate about whether or not the students themselves can request the upgrade to the Horizon glasses.

Incidentally, Bryan, you mentioned how Aira can drain a cell phone's battery power. With the new Horizon glasses comes a phone which can be used with the new AI Chloe. That way your student would be able to receive phone calls and messages and the like on their own personal phones and have it as backup in case the Aira phone drains. Chloe will either open KNFB reader for you and scan documents (which is useful when instructors give out last minute handouts) or it will connect to an agent. If it's in the middle of class and the OCR didn't do so well on scanning a document, a student could use the new Aira message feature and text an agent and attach the OCR image, and the agent could text back what it was supposed to say.

Another way that students have used Aira is to check over the formatting of papers before turning them in. I think we all have been duped by auto format in Word. An agent would be able to help the student make sure the paper was in the format the student needs.

I hope this helps.

Mary


From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:55 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira


We had one student use it last semester and it was paid for as a monthly subscription ($89?) by a private donation to the office. The complaint the student had was it drained his cell phone battery. He is working with Aira on how to get a discounted institutional rate and plans to to talk to city mayor about making it available downtown. He did like it, except the cell phone app issue.



Bryon


Bryon Kluesner, RhD
Adaptive Technology Coordinator
Disability Resource Center
Adjunct Professor
College of Health, Education & Professional Studies
University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
103 Frist Hall
Chattanooga, TN 37403
423-425-5251

________________________________
From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> on behalf of Priest, Ione <ipriest@msudenver.edu<mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu>>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:16 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira


Good afternoon all,



I am curious if anyone has any experiences in using Aira (aira.io<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Faira.io-252F-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cipriest-2540msudenver.edu-257Cb6698d5de9a743bf411908d5f303b740-257C03309ca417334af9a73cf18cc841325c-257C1-257C1-257C636682119659543100-26sdata-3DzlLz67pSQ9Hyc2gKF4CV3GP4wCYxkltwWA7lzjEnjfI-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMFAg%26c%3DimBPVzF25OnBgGmVOlcsiEgHoG1i6YHLR0Sj_gZ4adc%26r%3DeJfh88mGBVAulYBDEsbOoLH6GfFWVRyThnAabrXyTlI%26m%3DdKc4SfFW9xj3JVwyGlZdAJUjhL1Jrkw4GGbq2f4JpiA%26s%3D71i9GFLgFCkGPwUj3cQEOA1Ri2ktDY8mxefNSkwR7lg%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cipriest%40msudenver.edu%7C451b4000dced4fc1fe5b08d5f3092299%7C03309ca417334af9a73cf18cc841325c%7C1%7C0%7C636682142933323066&sdata=sxK%2B59xP%2FQhcfvZzKboiR86Wywr10f%2FCWKqx4C6G1fA%3D&reserved=0>) with students who are blind, specifically on an institution level. We have one student utilizing a personal subscription in the classroom with seemingly great success, and we are curious if this might be a worthwhile investment for all of our students to utilize. Any information you are able to provide would be greatly appreciated.
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Thank you very much.



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From osbaldestonl at macewan.ca  Thu Jul 26 08:22:45 2018
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From skeegan at ccctechcenter.org  Thu Jul 26 08:36:12 2018
From: skeegan at ccctechcenter.org (Sean Keegan)
Date: Thu Jul 26 08:36:32 2018
Subject: [Athen] Opportunity for contracting positions
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Hello all,

I am part of a community college grant initiative focusing on creating
system-wide resources in the areas of assistive technology, alternate
media, and web accessibility. We are in the process of building a program
that will include trainings, guidance, and technical assistance to
community college faculty, staff, and administration.

At this time, we are seeking individuals interested in a contracting role
to support the project's goals, particularly those knowledgable in
assistive technologies (including mobile) as well as the creation,
conversion, and usage of alternate formats. There is an expectation of some
travel within California for face-to-face workshops.

If you are interested, please contact me directly (i.e., off-list) and I
can provide additional details.

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From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu  Thu Jul 26 09:21:32 2018
From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong)
Date: Thu Jul 26 09:21:40 2018
Subject: [Athen] Slightly OT: A concern for the future of
	Windows-based	AT
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A good point. I do wish developers would start by using Narrator?s developer mode (Caps lock, Shift F12) to mask everything onscreen that narrator cannot see. This could shock them in to fixing their screen reader access glitches. Unfortunately, we still use Windows 7 here at the college. I can?t imagine using anything else at home since any access issue I?d complain about with an older OS would be wasting everyone?s time.
From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Dan Comden
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 10:49 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Slightly OT: A concern for the future of Windows-based AT

That article puts the onus on browsers. AT still has it handled for the most part.

I'm not trolling, really. We have HTML standards and ARIA -- and AT can know that stuff if it's coded properly. It's the OS and app builders who are falling short, in my opinion.

Discuss :)

-*- Dan

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Deborah Armstrong <armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu<mailto:armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu>> wrote:
I respectfully disagree. Screen readers still largely have a use case of a static web page. They don?t cope well when a page changes constantly. All geographic relationships between pieces of data are lost as it?s displayed in a flat representation ? see this blog post for clarification:
                https://www.marcozehe.de/2017/09/29/rethinking-web-accessibility-on-windows/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.marcozehe.de_2017_09_29_rethinking-2Dweb-2Daccessibility-2Don-2Dwindows_&d=DwMFaQ&c=xoYdONxMEGxjdvKj5bOdEOV28uakaJ20R4TjadGGZBc&r=gcvya4Pqy0A2EsMRyTgo_3n3PIn53GqWAnSNzbIFuBs&m=eCdv2mVWFvjMqtF9noMa6sPJPZxOVaS4W_me26ydUuY&s=gNY9ntjEFTHt7qGtQDRgtVBRpqYb1FHWJYmGLGWyFSE&e=>

They ignore some clickable elements. They tell the user that he?s focused on an edit box when he isn?t. Various browser and screen reader combinations give different results.
The very fact that there are three different modes of JAWS to access a web page, forms mode, virtual cursor and application mode and the idea that the user needs to understand the concepts of HTML (navigate to the third list to find your homework assignment!) makes the web more confusing for the screen reader user than working say with something simple like Wordpad.

Now take a magnification user. I was just helping someone last week with this completely accessible page:
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and she didn?t see one of the columns at all. She was reading only half the page, because she didn?t know there was a column to the right. The screen reader user doesn?t know there are columns at all.

And if we?re talking about users with learning differences, consider how each web interface ? online learning is a great example ? is completely different. Do you go to tasks, preferences, settings, options or profile to set up for your online class?  With a busy page, where do you tell the speech to start reading? If you use a keyboard, is it alt-O, ctrl-O, shift-O, ctrl-alt-f then O  or is it Alt1, then O to open a file? I?ve seen different online apps that use these keystrokes, whereas a mouse user just clicks ?Open?.

Back in the early 1990s when Alan Cooper wrote ?The Inmates are running the asylum? we learned how the presence of modes and the absence of consistency in an interface made it problematic.

OK, so this has nothing to do with AT. But AT isn?t coping with it gracefully either; it?s giving access, but the ramp is pretty darn steep for a manual chair!


From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>] On Behalf Of Dan Comden
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:53 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Slightly OT: A concern for the future of Windows-based AT

Hi Deborah,
Thanks for linking the article. The following is not directed at you. And your article is not Off Topic at all.

How about a different position -- AT has things handled. For the most part, screenreaders, TTS, STS, magnifiers -- they all understand basic underlying html.

So who is getting it wrong? The companies putting out shoddy interfaces and non-standard apps? Or the browsers? Assistive tech for the most part has it handled.

Discuss.

-*- Dan

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Deborah Armstrong <armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu<mailto:armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu>> wrote:
Bloomberg has an interesting story about Amy Hood, Microsoft?s CFO.

One business trend for this past decade is that a CFO is no longer a glorified accountant/budget analyst. They are now part of the senior management team ? determiners of strategy rather than implementers. Microsoft? Q4 earnings report came out Thursday and according to Bloomberg, investors are saying Ms. Hood is the best CFO Microsoft has ever had.

One thing she?s done is take money away from legacy divisions and put it in to the cloud. Since 2002 when she was hired her goal is to move Microsoft more towards cloud-based subscription models for their products ? I?m paraphrasing Bloomberg here?previously most divisions could ask for what they wanted budget-wise and could expect to get it ? that?s no longer true.  Bloomberg also comments that Ms. Hood timed her start date back in 2002 to get maximum access to the employee stock purchase plan.

So despite what we see at conferences with Microsoft?s waving of the accessibility banner, I don?t think it?s going to be smooth sailing ahead. If it doesn?t improve growth it?s going to be ignored.

The earnings reports no longer say anything about Windows, so we can assume it is gradually going to just be a framework for a browser; already most new apps are PWAS (progressive web apps) which means no installation, no data on your own PC, but you need to be online to access any of it.

This means that AT is going to need to get much better at dealing with progressive web apps and other online offerings. For keyboard users, there is no longer a consistent, reliable set of keystrokes for operating web-based applications. For screen reader users, just to take one example, pressing Tab can take you out of the application and in to the address bar which is very confusing; imagine if a single and frequently used keystroke could dump you out of the operating system! For magnification users, the lack of standards in a web-based interface means that you can miss important information because you weren?t looking in the right place.

The full Bloomberg story is here:
                https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-16/how-amy-hood-won-back-wall-street-and-helped-reboot-microsoft<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.bloomberg.com_news_articles_2018-2D07-2D16_how-2Damy-2Dhood-2Dwon-2Dback-2Dwall-2Dstreet-2Dand-2Dhelped-2Dreboot-2Dmicrosoft&d=DwMFaQ&c=xoYdONxMEGxjdvKj5bOdEOV28uakaJ20R4TjadGGZBc&r=gcvya4Pqy0A2EsMRyTgo_3n3PIn53GqWAnSNzbIFuBs&m=CcimSMQ4xO57bauN-QFhIWxzoCQCJz9__fybuJ6oxQE&s=wqlaq2O3tzSI4ZWKS_M2IOpRhyt1HJAQC3w8PzmD-4o&e=>

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From rspangler1 at udayton.edu  Thu Jul 26 10:11:54 2018
From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler)
Date: Thu Jul 26 10:12:02 2018
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
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OK yes it does, thank you.
Not sure enough blind people would navigate the downtown to make it
financially viable for a city to do that though.


On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 9:33 AM, Frederick, Kathryn A. <
frederick.273@osu.edu> wrote:

> AIRA is available for monthly subscriptions, but there is also a feature
> called ?site Access,? which means that if a person is using AIRA at a
> designated location that has the access, the AIRA usage doesn?t go against
> their paid for minutes. I hope this helps clarify?
>
>
>
> Katie
>
>
>
> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 26, 2018 9:17 AM
> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list@u.washington.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
>
>
>
> Hello, I don't think the cellphone battery would be an issue if the
> student used the glasses that come with the product.  I think this makes it
> easier for the agent on the other end to see the environment, too.  Also,
> as far as "making it available downtown" - I don't think that it's made
> available anywhere; the blind individual calls in and an agent answers
> their questions, meaning that it's available everywhere.  I shall stand
> corrected, however.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Kluesner, Bryon <Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu>
> wrote:
>
> We had one student use it last semester and it was paid for as a monthly
> subscription ($89?) by a private donation to the office. The complaint the
> student had was it drained his cell phone battery. He is working with Aira
> on how to get a discounted institutional rate and plans to to talk to city
> mayor about making it available downtown. He did like it, except the
> cell phone app issue.
>
>
>
> Bryon
>
>
>
> Bryon Kluesner, RhD
>
> Adaptive Technology Coordinator
>
> Disability Resource Center
>
> Adjunct Professor
>
> College of Health, Education & Professional Studies
>
> University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
>
> 103 Frist Hall
>
> Chattanooga, TN 37403
>
> 423-425-5251
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> on
> behalf of Priest, Ione <ipriest@msudenver.edu>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:16 PM
> *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu
> *Subject:* [Athen] Experiences with Aira
>
>
>
> Good afternoon all,
>
>
>
> I am curious if anyone has any experiences in using Aira (aira.io) with
> students who are blind, specifically on an institution level. We have one
> student utilizing a personal subscription in the classroom with seemingly
> great success, and we are curious if this might be a worthwhile investment
> for all of our students to utilize. Any information you are able to provide
> would be greatly appreciated.
>
> <https://aira.io/>
>
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From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu  Thu Jul 26 11:33:46 2018
From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong)
Date: Thu Jul 26 11:33:56 2018
Subject: [Athen] Clockwork reports experts anyone?
Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF028EB89A8D@MB2.FHDA.LEARN>

I'm having trouble with clockwork report generation and not getting the results my boss wants. Does anyone want to write me off-list to possibly offer some advice?

Clockwork is a data tracking system for disability services personell in higher education:
                http://www.clockworks.ca/#/


Thanks in advance.

--Debee

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From thaddeus.nelson at stonybrook.edu  Thu Jul 26 11:43:22 2018
From: thaddeus.nelson at stonybrook.edu (Thaddeus Nelson)
Date: Thu Jul 26 11:44:00 2018
Subject: [Athen] Clockwork reports experts anyone?
In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF028EB89A8D@MB2.FHDA.LEARN>
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Hello
   What report are you looking for?  What information?  These tend to be
written specifically for individual schools, but I may be able to suggest a
path around it

Thaddeus Nelson, PhD
Adjunct Instructor, SUNY Suffolk
Office Manager, Student Accessibility Support Center, Stony Brook University

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 2:33 PM, Deborah Armstrong <
armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu> wrote:

> I?m having trouble with clockwork report generation and not getting the
> results my boss wants. Does anyone want to write me off-list to possibly
> offer some advice?
>
>
>
> Clockwork is a data tracking system for disability services personell in
> higher education:
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From rebecca.mcmillan at duke.edu  Thu Jul 26 12:05:08 2018
From: rebecca.mcmillan at duke.edu (Rebecca McMillan)
Date: Thu Jul 26 12:05:33 2018
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
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It was solely based on 1 student for 2 years of unlimited premium service.

Best,
Rebecca

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Assistant Director of Student Life, Daytime MBA Program
Pronouns: She/Her/Hers
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100 Fuqua Drive, Box 90120, Durham, NC 27708-0120 USA
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From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Priest, Ione
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 11:10 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

Thanks for sharing, Rebecca. Do you know if the pricing was based on number of students or not?

Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center
Plaza 122
Metropolitan State University of Denver
ipriest@msudenver.edu<mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu>
Phone: 303-615-0200
Fax: 720-778-5662
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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Rebecca McMillan
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:58 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

Hi all,

We just purchased a 2 year contract with Unlimited minutes for 1 of our students with Aira.  The total cost was $7,900.  Honestly, a steal in our minds! And great customer service.  Just hoping it is all the say it is but our student also has prior experience with it and loves it!

Best,
Rebecca


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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Priest, Ione
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 10:45 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

Thank you all for the feedback so far! Very helpful information, as always. Is anyone able and willing to share information on what site access pricing would be (roughly)? We have a call in to Aira to get more information, but a ballpark figure may be helpful in advance of that conversation. Feel free to email me privately, also.

Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center
Plaza 122
Metropolitan State University of Denver
ipriest@msudenver.edu<mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu>
Phone: 303-615-0200
Fax: 720-778-5662
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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of George Kerscher
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:22 AM
To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

Hi,

In addition, if the student installs teamviewer.com software, the agent can remote in to the computer and assist with accessibility issues. If it is a JAWS problem, e.g. not reading correctly, the call is charged to VFO.

Best
George


From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Stores, Mary A.
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 7:44 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

Hello,

We have quite a few students using Aira on the Indianapolis campus. There has been a lot of construction, both in and out of buildings, and Aira helps tremendously in those situations. Aira is also helpful when going to campus cafeterias or Stores, because an agent can read the different menus and help students navigate through lines without bumping into other people. Aira is also helpful when watching films in class if the student can get close enough to the screen. An agent can describe the action and in some cases, rea subtitles. Stuff like that is helpful in foreign language classes.

What would be difficult is if the student has to rely on Aira in a math class, and the instructor is talking and writing on a board. Some math instructors insist that if they are going over mathematical concepts, the only way to understand them fully is to write out equations and how to solve them by hand. Aira agents might have difficulty seeing the writing, and even if they take pictures of it so they can magnify it, that takes time. It would be difficult to listen to an instructor, listen to the agent, and take notes.

One other difficulty occurs if the institution doesn't establish firm guidelines with the students. When Aira was set up for students on the Indy campus, they were given the glasses and told good luck. Any technical issues that came up they had to solve themselves. And now that the new Horizon glasses are out, since the students weren't given guidelines and the administration who originally set up Aira for the students all moved on, there's big debate about whether or not the students themselves can request the upgrade to the Horizon glasses.

Incidentally, Bryan, you mentioned how Aira can drain a cell phone's battery power. With the new Horizon glasses comes a phone which can be used with the new AI Chloe. That way your student would be able to receive phone calls and messages and the like on their own personal phones and have it as backup in case the Aira phone drains. Chloe will either open KNFB reader for you and scan documents (which is useful when instructors give out last minute handouts) or it will connect to an agent. If it's in the middle of class and the OCR didn't do so well on scanning a document, a student could use the new Aira message feature and text an agent and attach the OCR image, and the agent could text back what it was supposed to say.

Another way that students have used Aira is to check over the formatting of papers before turning them in. I think we all have been duped by auto format in Word. An agent would be able to help the student make sure the paper was in the format the student needs.

I hope this helps.

Mary


From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:55 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira


We had one student use it last semester and it was paid for as a monthly subscription ($89?) by a private donation to the office. The complaint the student had was it drained his cell phone battery. He is working with Aira on how to get a discounted institutional rate and plans to to talk to city mayor about making it available downtown. He did like it, except the cell phone app issue.



Bryon


Bryon Kluesner, RhD
Adaptive Technology Coordinator
Disability Resource Center
Adjunct Professor
College of Health, Education & Professional Studies
University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
103 Frist Hall
Chattanooga, TN 37403
423-425-5251

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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> on behalf of Priest, Ione <ipriest@msudenver.edu<mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu>>
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Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira


Good afternoon all,



I am curious if anyone has any experiences in using Aira (aira.io<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-3A__na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Faira.io-252F-26data-3D02-257C01-257Cipriest-2540msudenver.edu-257Cb6698d5de9a743bf411908d5f303b740-257C03309ca417334af9a73cf18cc841325c-257C1-257C1-257C636682119659543100-26sdata-3DzlLz67pSQ9Hyc2gKF4CV3GP4wCYxkltwWA7lzjEnjfI-253D-26reserved-3D0%26d%3DDwMFAg%26c%3DimBPVzF25OnBgGmVOlcsiEgHoG1i6YHLR0Sj_gZ4adc%26r%3DeJfh88mGBVAulYBDEsbOoLH6GfFWVRyThnAabrXyTlI%26m%3DdKc4SfFW9xj3JVwyGlZdAJUjhL1Jrkw4GGbq2f4JpiA%26s%3D71i9GFLgFCkGPwUj3cQEOA1Ri2ktDY8mxefNSkwR7lg%26e%3D&data=02%7C01%7Cipriest%40msudenver.edu%7C451b4000dced4fc1fe5b08d5f3092299%7C03309ca417334af9a73cf18cc841325c%7C1%7C0%7C636682142933323066&sdata=sxK%2B59xP%2FQhcfvZzKboiR86Wywr10f%2FCWKqx4C6G1fA%3D&reserved=0>) with students who are blind, specifically on an institution level. We have one student utilizing a personal subscription in the classroom with seemingly great success, and we are curious if this might be a worthwhile investment for all of our students to utilize. Any information you are able to provide would be greatly appreciated.
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aira.io
Your Life, Your Schedule, Right Now. Using augmented reality, Aira connects people who are blind or low vision to a trained professional agent who is dedicated to further enhancing their everyday experience - completely hands-free assistance at the touch of a button.




Thank you very much.



Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center

Plaza 122

Metropolitan State University of Denver

ipriest@msudenver.edu<mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu>

Phone: 303-615-0200

Fax: 720-778-5662

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From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu  Thu Jul 26 12:26:16 2018
From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong)
Date: Thu Jul 26 12:26:48 2018
Subject: [Athen] Clockwork reports experts anyone?
In-Reply-To: <CAGyHGZyJ=R=wEDBuLSeDSOa1mdSYpSBz7-JdB3AUKY6wMFygKA@mail.gmail.com>
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Alternate media ?completed Student Media Requests By Date?. Shows a separate row for each chapter, because each is a separate file in the job associated with the request. We need one row per request.

Have played with editing multiple clones of this built-in report, including attempts to use the functions to define unique rows, which results in zero rows.

--Debee



From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Thaddeus Nelson
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 11:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [Athen] Clockwork reports experts anyone?

Hello
   What report are you looking for?  What information?  These tend to be written specifically for individual schools, but I may be able to suggest a path around it

Thaddeus Nelson, PhD
Adjunct Instructor, SUNY Suffolk
Office Manager, Student Accessibility Support Center, Stony Brook University

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 2:33 PM, Deborah Armstrong <armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu<mailto:armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu>> wrote:
I?m having trouble with clockwork report generation and not getting the results my boss wants. Does anyone want to write me off-list to possibly offer some advice?

Clockwork is a data tracking system for disability services personell in higher education:
                http://www.clockworks.ca/#/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.clockworks.ca_-23_&d=DwMFaQ&c=xoYdONxMEGxjdvKj5bOdEOV28uakaJ20R4TjadGGZBc&r=gcvya4Pqy0A2EsMRyTgo_3n3PIn53GqWAnSNzbIFuBs&m=L-eV4p3DH7BLsrnwU4GP8Rg00XKTwiRyM1GiDHI2_Qo&s=40fwEvFzzfe1aJ01Pop7fZlkQCf6cfjp0Dj9CVEpBTs&e=>


Thanks in advance.

--Debee


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From wils1627 at umn.edu  Thu Jul 26 14:36:30 2018
From: wils1627 at umn.edu (Jay Wilson)
Date: Thu Jul 26 14:36:54 2018
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
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Hello,
Do you know if a student is required to pay for personal access minutes in
order to also access "Site Access" minutes?

*Jay Wilson, **M.S.W*
Senior Access Consultant
*Disability Resource Center
<https://diversity.umn.edu/disability/home> - Student Access
<https://diversity.umn.edu/disability/studentservices>*
*UMN *- Twin Cities
Pronouns <https://www.mypronouns.org/>: He/him/his
<http://www.resna.org/about/consumer-and-public-information>

The DRC has a new Facebook page <http://www.facebook.com/disabilityUMN>!

Registered students may schedule on my online calendar
<https://calendly.com/wils1627> or by email

If you need urgent assistance with accommodations and I am not available,
you can visit drop-in in person, at 612-626-1333 or drc@umn.edu:
 - 9-12 and 1-4 Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and
 - 1-4 on Tuesday

*Office:*
McNamara Alumni Center, Suite 180
200 Oak Street SE, Minneapolis, 55455


*This message is confidential and should only be read by its intended
recipient. If it is not addressed to you, please do not read it, delete,
and inform the sender.*

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Frederick, Kathryn A. <
frederick.273@osu.edu> wrote:

> AIRA is available for monthly subscriptions, but there is also a feature
> called ?site Access,? which means that if a person is using AIRA at a
> designated location that has the access, the AIRA usage doesn?t go against
> their paid for minutes. I hope this helps clarify?
>
>
>
> Katie
>
>
>
> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 26, 2018 9:17 AM
> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list@u.washington.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
>
>
>
> Hello, I don't think the cellphone battery would be an issue if the
> student used the glasses that come with the product.  I think this makes it
> easier for the agent on the other end to see the environment, too.  Also,
> as far as "making it available downtown" - I don't think that it's made
> available anywhere; the blind individual calls in and an agent answers
> their questions, meaning that it's available everywhere.  I shall stand
> corrected, however.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Kluesner, Bryon <Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu>
> wrote:
>
> We had one student use it last semester and it was paid for as a monthly
> subscription ($89?) by a private donation to the office. The complaint the
> student had was it drained his cell phone battery. He is working with Aira
> on how to get a discounted institutional rate and plans to to talk to city
> mayor about making it available downtown. He did like it, except the
> cell phone app issue.
>
>
>
> Bryon
>
>
>
> Bryon Kluesner, RhD
>
> Adaptive Technology Coordinator
>
> Disability Resource Center
>
> Adjunct Professor
>
> College of Health, Education & Professional Studies
>
> University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
>
> 103 Frist Hall
>
> Chattanooga, TN 37403
>
> 423-425-5251
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> on
> behalf of Priest, Ione <ipriest@msudenver.edu>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:16 PM
> *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu
> *Subject:* [Athen] Experiences with Aira
>
>
>
> Good afternoon all,
>
>
>
> I am curious if anyone has any experiences in using Aira (aira.io) with
> students who are blind, specifically on an institution level. We have one
> student utilizing a personal subscription in the classroom with seemingly
> great success, and we are curious if this might be a worthwhile investment
> for all of our students to utilize. Any information you are able to provide
> would be greatly appreciated.
>
> <https://aira.io/>
>
> Home - Aira : Aira <https://aira.io/>
>
> aira.io
>
> Your Life, Your Schedule, Right Now. Using augmented reality, Aira
> connects people who are blind or low vision to a trained professional agent
> who is dedicated to further enhancing their everyday experience ?
> completely hands-free assistance at the touch of a button.
>
>
>
> Thank you very much.
>
>
>
>
> *Ione Priest, CPACC *Accessibility Technology Manager
> Access Center
>
> Plaza 122
>
> Metropolitan State University of Denver
>
> ipriest@msudenver.edu
>
> Phone: 303-615-0200
>
> Fax: 720-778-5662
>
> [image: Metropolitan State University of Denver]
>
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> rspangler1@udayton.edu
> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023
> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
> University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
> Phone: 937-229-2066
>
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From bossley.5 at osu.edu  Thu Jul 26 17:27:49 2018
From: bossley.5 at osu.edu (Bossley, Peter A.)
Date: Thu Jul 26 17:28:02 2018
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
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Site access would be free, even for Aira guest (free) users. But if you want glasses instead of using the phone app, you need the paid subscription for that.

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Jay Wilson
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 5:37 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

Hello,
Do you know if a student is required to pay for personal access minutes in order to also access "Site Access" minutes?

Jay Wilson, M.S.W
Senior Access Consultant
Disability Resource Center<https://diversity.umn.edu/disability/home> - Student Access<https://diversity.umn.edu/disability/studentservices>
UMN - Twin Cities
Pronouns<https://www.mypronouns.org/>: He/him/his
[Image removed by sender.]<http://www.resna.org/about/consumer-and-public-information>

The DRC has a new Facebook page<http://www.facebook.com/disabilityUMN>!

Registered students may schedule on my online calendar<https://calendly.com/wils1627> or by email
If you need urgent assistance with accommodations and I am not available, you can visit drop-in in person, at 612-626-1333 or drc@umn.edu<mailto:drc@umn.edu>:
 - 9-12 and 1-4 Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and
 - 1-4 on Tuesday

Office:
McNamara Alumni Center, Suite 180
200 Oak Street SE, Minneapolis, 55455

This message is confidential and should only be read by its intended recipient. If it is not addressed to you, please do not read it, delete, and inform the sender.

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Frederick, Kathryn A. <frederick.273@osu.edu<mailto:frederick.273@osu.edu>> wrote:
AIRA is available for monthly subscriptions, but there is also a feature called ?site Access,? which means that if a person is using AIRA at a designated location that has the access, the AIRA usage doesn?t go against their paid for minutes. I hope this helps clarify?

Katie

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Robert Spangler
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 9:17 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira

Hello, I don't think the cellphone battery would be an issue if the student used the glasses that come with the product.  I think this makes it easier for the agent on the other end to see the environment, too.  Also, as far as "making it available downtown" - I don't think that it's made available anywhere; the blind individual calls in and an agent answers their questions, meaning that it's available everywhere.  I shall stand corrected, however.


On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Kluesner, Bryon <Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu<mailto:Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu>> wrote:

We had one student use it last semester and it was paid for as a monthly subscription ($89?) by a private donation to the office. The complaint the student had was it drained his cell phone battery. He is working with Aira on how to get a discounted institutional rate and plans to to talk to city mayor about making it available downtown. He did like it, except the cell phone app issue.



Bryon


Bryon Kluesner, RhD
Adaptive Technology Coordinator
Disability Resource Center
Adjunct Professor
College of Health, Education & Professional Studies
University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
103 Frist Hall
Chattanooga, TN 37403
423-425-5251

________________________________
From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> on behalf of Priest, Ione <ipriest@msudenver.edu<mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu>>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:16 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira


Good afternoon all,



I am curious if anyone has any experiences in using Aira (aira.io<https://aira.io/>) with students who are blind, specifically on an institution level. We have one student utilizing a personal subscription in the classroom with seemingly great success, and we are curious if this might be a worthwhile investment for all of our students to utilize. Any information you are able to provide would be greatly appreciated.
[Image removed by sender.]<https://aira.io/>

Home - Aira : Aira<https://aira.io/>
aira.io<http://aira.io>
Your Life, Your Schedule, Right Now. Using augmented reality, Aira connects people who are blind or low vision to a trained professional agent who is dedicated to further enhancing their everyday experience ? completely hands-free assistance at the touch of a button.




Thank you very much.



Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center

Plaza 122

Metropolitan State University of Denver

ipriest@msudenver.edu<mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu>

Phone: 303-615-0200

Fax: 720-778-5662

[Metropolitan State University of Denver]

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Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
Phone: 937-229-2066
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From kerscher at montana.com  Thu Jul 26 20:21:12 2018
From: kerscher at montana.com (George Kerscher)
Date: Thu Jul 26 20:21:50 2018
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
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I believe that one does not need to have a paid subscription  to use site access, like when I was at CSUN or the Minneapolis airport. However, it is probable that paid AIRA users would discover this free site access when they went to use the service.
 
Best
George
 
 
Best
George
 
 
From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Jay Wilson
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 3:37 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
 
Hello,
Do you know if a student is required to pay for personal access minutes in order to also access "Site Access" minutes?


Jay Wilson, M.S.W
Senior Access Consultant
Disability Resource Center <https://diversity.umn.edu/disability/home>  - Student Access <https://diversity.umn.edu/disability/studentservices> 
UMN - Twin Cities 
Pronouns <https://www.mypronouns.org/> : He/him/his    
 <http://www.resna.org/about/consumer-and-public-information> 
 
The DRC has a new Facebook page <http://www.facebook.com/disabilityUMN> ! 
 
Registered students may schedule on my  <https://calendly.com/wils1627> online calendar or by email 
If you need urgent assistance with accommodations and I am not available, you can visit drop-in in person, at 612-626-1333 or drc@umn.edu <mailto:drc@umn.edu> :
 - 9-12 and 1-4 Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and 
 - 1-4 on Tuesday
 
Office:
McNamara Alumni Center, Suite 180
200 Oak Street SE, Minneapolis, 55455
 
This message is confidential and should only be read by its intended recipient. If it is not addressed to you, please do not read it, delete, and inform the sender.
 
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Frederick, Kathryn A. <frederick.273@osu.edu <mailto:frederick.273@osu.edu> > wrote:
AIRA is available for monthly subscriptions, but there is also a feature called ?site Access,? which means that if a person is using AIRA at a designated location that has the access, the AIRA usage doesn?t go against their paid for minutes. I hope this helps clarify?
 
Katie
 
From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 9:17 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu> >
Subject: Re: [Athen] Experiences with Aira
 
Hello, I don't think the cellphone battery would be an issue if the student used the glasses that come with the product.  I think this makes it easier for the agent on the other end to see the environment, too.  Also, as far as "making it available downtown" - I don't think that it's made available anywhere; the blind individual calls in and an agent answers their questions, meaning that it's available everywhere.  I shall stand corrected, however.
 
 
On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Kluesner, Bryon <Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu <mailto:Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> > wrote:
We had one student use it last semester and it was paid for as a monthly subscription ($89?) by a private donation to the office. The complaint the student had was it drained his cell phone battery. He is working with Aira on how to get a discounted institutional rate and plans to to talk to city mayor about making it available downtown. He did like it, except the cell phone app issue.
 
Bryon
 
Bryon Kluesner, RhD
Adaptive Technology Coordinator
Disability Resource Center
Adjunct Professor
College of Health, Education & Professional Studies
University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
103 Frist Hall
Chattanooga, TN 37403
423-425-5251
 

  _____  

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > on behalf of Priest, Ione <ipriest@msudenver.edu <mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu> >
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:16 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu> 
Subject: [Athen] Experiences with Aira 
 
Good afternoon all,
 
I am curious if anyone has any experiences in using Aira (aira.io <https://aira.io/> ) with students who are blind, specifically on an institution level. We have one student utilizing a personal subscription in the classroom with seemingly great success, and we are curious if this might be a worthwhile investment for all of our students to utilize. Any information you are able to provide would be greatly appreciated.

 <https://aira.io/> 
 <https://aira.io/> Home - Aira : Aira
aira.io <http://aira.io> 
Your Life, Your Schedule, Right Now. Using augmented reality, Aira connects people who are blind or low vision to a trained professional agent who is dedicated to further enhancing their everyday experience ? completely hands-free assistance at the touch of a button.
 
Thank you very much.
 
Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center 
Plaza 122
Metropolitan State University of Denver
ipriest@msudenver.edu <mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu> 
Phone: 303-615-0200
Fax: 720-778-5662

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Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023
Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 
Phone: 937-229-2066
Fax: 937-229-3270
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From info at karlencommunications.com  Fri Jul 27 06:24:19 2018
From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications)
Date: Fri Jul 27 06:24:51 2018
Subject: [Athen] UNDP and UNV have launched a new joint programme to promote
	young people with disabilities working in the system
Message-ID: <003b01d425ad$2088c070$619a4150$@karlencommunications.com>

Forwarded from the Disability Studies list (there was no attachment):

 

Dear All, 

 

UNDP and UNV have launched a new joint programme to recruit Young
Professionals with disabilities to work in the UN System. The Programme will
offer young people with disabilities the opportunity to acquire practical
work experience and exposure to the work of the UN Development System
through assignments with the country, regional or headquarters offices of
UNDP and other UN entities. The first set of positions under the UNDP-UNV
Talent Programme for Young Professionals with Disabilities is now advertised
and open for applications. Please see the vacancy announcements here:

.
<https://inspira.un.org/psc/UNCAREERS/EMPLOYEE/HRMS/c/UN_CUSTOMIZATIONS.UN_J
OB_DETAIL.GBL?Page=UN_JOB_DETAIL&Action=A&SiteId=1&JobOpeningId=100870&Posti
ngSeq=1> UNDP Armenia, UNV Data Analysis Officer (international post)

.
<https://inspira.un.org/psc/UNCAREERS/EMPLOYEE/HRMS/c/UN_CUSTOMIZATIONS.UN_J
OB_DETAIL.GBL?Page=UN_JOB_DETAIL&Action=A&SiteId=1&JobOpeningId=100887&Posti
ngSeq=1> UNDP Regional Hub in Bangkok, UNV RBM and Data Analytics Officer
(international post)

.
<https://inspira.un.org/psc/UNCAREERS/EMPLOYEE/HRMS/c/UN_CUSTOMIZATIONS.UN_J
OB_DETAIL.GBL?Page=UN_JOB_DETAIL&Action=A&SiteId=1&JobOpeningId=100899&Posti
ngSeq=1> UN Secretariat Headquarters, UNV Human Resources Policy Officer
(international post)

Young people with disabilities from the global South are among the most
marginalized and underrepresented populations in the world. If you find a
talented young professional with disabilities who fulfil the eligibility
criteria, please encourage them to apply. For further clarity, please
contact Maria Teresa Lago Lao maria.teresa.lago.lao@undp.org
<mailto:maria.teresa.lago.lao@undp.org>  and Niels Lohmann
niels.lohmann@unv.org <mailto:niels.lohmann@unv.org> . They will be hosting
two webinars to present the programme and the application process, and to
answer any questions. The schedule of webinars are below. 

 

To be eligible to apply, candidates should be no more than 35 years of age,
and hold a Bachelor or a Master level degree (or be enrolled in a university
programme at the Master level). Work experience will be an advantage but not
a requirement.

 

Note that selected candidates will be deployed to UNDP offices for 12-month
assignments. Learning and professional development will be an integral part
of all positions. See attached a flyer on the Talent Programme for further
information.

 

The UNDP-UNV team managing the Talent Programme will host two webinars open
to young professionals with disabilities interested in applying to the
positions, to present the programme and the application process, and to
answer any questions.  

 

The webinars will take place as per the below schedule:

             


Date

Time

Skype for Business link


Friday

July 27th, 2018

3:00 pm - 4:00pm (Bonn time)

 <https://meet.lync.com/undp-org/maria.teresa.lago.lao/6THF5L5D> Join Skype
Meeting


Wednesday

August 1st, 2018

9:00  am - 10:00 am (Bonn time)

 <https://meet.lync.com/undp-org/maria.teresa.lago.lao/JSM39FQP> Join Skype
Meeting

 

 

Thank you and best regards,  

 

Mosharraf

 

Mosharraf Hossain
Director of Global Policy, Influencing and Research

Mobile: +447769338520 I Skype: mosharraf1964

ADD International
Independence, equality, opportunity,
for disabled people living in poverty.
www.addinternational.org <http://www.addinternational.org>  



 

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From ipriest at msudenver.edu  Fri Jul 27 13:27:31 2018
From: ipriest at msudenver.edu (Priest, Ione)
Date: Fri Jul 27 13:27:54 2018
Subject: [Athen] Web Conferencing Software
Message-ID: <CY4PR03MB2584B3BC54E6E2020DC760F8A52A0@CY4PR03MB2584.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Good afternoon all,

Some questions for you regarding web conferencing software:

*        Do your institutions have a contract / agreement with any particular software company? How well does this work out for access purposes?

*        Is there any specific software you would recommend / avoid entirely due to accessibility, and why?

*        What are your experiences with such software used in courses from a general accessibility standpoint?

*        Do you have any experiences using such software in courses utilizing it for group discussions in real-time, particularly with a student using interpreting or captioning for access?

Thank you in advance!

Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center
Plaza 122
Metropolitan State University of Denver
ipriest@msudenver.edu
Phone: 303-615-0200
Fax: 720-778-5662
[Metropolitan State University of Denver]
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From kerscher at montana.com  Fri Jul 27 14:03:25 2018
From: kerscher at montana.com (George Kerscher)
Date: Fri Jul 27 14:04:04 2018
Subject: [Athen] Web Conferencing Software
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR03MB2584B3BC54E6E2020DC760F8A52A0@CY4PR03MB2584.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR03MB2584B3BC54E6E2020DC760F8A52A0@CY4PR03MB2584.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi,
 
The DAISY Consortium has moved to Zoom. We use this with many people who are
blind. I have been very impressed with the product and their technical
support has been great. I use it with JAWS 2018 and can access a wide range
of the features.
 
Best
George
 
 
Best
George
 
 
From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf
Of Priest, Ione
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 2:28 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Athen] Web Conferencing Software
 
Good afternoon all,
 
Some questions for you regarding web conferencing software:
*	Do your institutions have a contract / agreement with any particular
software company? How well does this work out for access purposes?
*	Is there any specific software you would recommend / avoid entirely
due to accessibility, and why?
*	What are your experiences with such software used in courses from a
general accessibility standpoint?
*	Do you have any experiences using such software in courses utilizing
it for group discussions in real-time, particularly with a student using
interpreting or captioning for access? 
 
Thank you in advance!
 
Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center 
Plaza 122
Metropolitan State University of Denver
ipriest@msudenver.edu <mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu> 
Phone: 303-615-0200
Fax: 720-778-5662

This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the
intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information.  Any
unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited.  If you
are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by
reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
 
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From lissner.2 at osu.edu  Fri Jul 27 20:11:19 2018
From: lissner.2 at osu.edu (Lissner, Scott)
Date: Sun Jul 29 21:06:48 2018
Subject: [Athen] The Ohio State University Applicant Portal | Deputy ADA
	Coordinator
Message-ID: <52D66960-8C2A-4902-8B0C-5AEF29DACF2B@osu.edu>

Please share wit potential candidate applications accepted  until 8/5/2018
https://www.jobsatosu.com/postings/88231

Deputy ADA Coordinator

The Ohio State University, one of the nation?s leading public universities, is seeking applications for the position of Deputy Coordinator for the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). With the vision of supporting a university philosophy that values diversity and compliance, the Deputy ADA Coordinator will work to ensure the full inclusion of individuals with disabilities and accessibility to our campus, programs, and activities.

The Deputy ADA Coordinator will provide expertise on disability and access to inform decision-making and help to guide the university?s journey from compliance to seamless access. S/he will provide assistance to the ADA Coordinator in the development, implementation and monitoring of the university?s disability policies, complaint investigations, case management and training. The Deputy Coordinator will consult with university departments in responding to individual inquiries concerning accommodations and barriers to access related to student and public programs; the digital environment; the built environment and campus events; employment; and the university?s accommodation process. S/he will conduct or assist in conducting the investigation of complaints (e.g., failure to accommodate, barriers in the built and digital environments, and/or disability discrimination) as assigned. S/he will assist the ADA Coordinator with project management and special projects as assigned. Potential assignments include coordinating the annual Multiple Perspectives conference; the expansion of on-line training; maintaining informational materials regarding the university?s access policies; conducting policy and facilities access audits; and developing annual status and training reports.

The Deputy ADA Coordinator will also help represent the university with community leaders in support of Ohio State?s proactive commitment to equity.

Master?s level degree in disability studies, rehabilitation, Human Resources, or an equivalent combination of education and experience; a working knowledge of Section 504 and the ADA; minimum of four years of progressive experience implementing disability policies with demonstrated skill in their application in at least two of the following areas: accommodation processes, digital access, instructional access, employment, facilities access, communications access, or complaint investigation; strong verbal and written communication skills; ability to manage confidential information with discretion; ability to work both independently and collaboratively.


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From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU  Mon Jul 30 05:56:11 2018
From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach)
Date: Mon Jul 30 05:56:42 2018
Subject: [Athen] Listserv/group recommendations
In-Reply-To: <C7FD54B2-94A0-4E59-9412-A53CFE773980@colostate.edu>
References: <C7FD54B2-94A0-4E59-9412-A53CFE773980@colostate.edu>
Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E298BA8@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL>

Have yo looked at FreeLists? I used to belong to a group on that system and from what I remember, it was pretty accessible. Now that I?m thinking about it, I also used to run a list from there and had no problems.


Robert Lee Beach
Assistive Technology Specialist
Kansas City Kansas Community College
7250 State Avenue
Kansas City, KS  66112
Phone: 913-288-7671
Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu>

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Lavey,Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 3:07 PM
To: athen-list@u.washington.edu
Subject: [Athen] Listserv/group recommendations

Hello!

Does anyone have recommendations for an accessible and user-friendly listserv or group that is similar to Yahoo Groups (ability to post discussions, announcements, files, etc.)?

Thank you for any insight!!

Shannon

----------------------------------------------------
Shannon Lavey, MS, OTR/L
Student Service Coordinator and Provider

Assistive Technology Resource Center
301 Occupational Therapy Building
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO  80523-1573
970-491-4241
shannon.lavey@colostate.edu<applewebdata://D2CEF88E-7911-4823-A8A6-E499A9F14497/shannon.lavey@colostate.edu>
www.atrc.colostate.edu<http://www.atrc.colostate.edu/>

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From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU  Mon Jul 30 06:22:39 2018
From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach)
Date: Mon Jul 30 06:23:10 2018
Subject: [Athen] Web Conferencing Software
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR03MB2584B3BC54E6E2020DC760F8A52A0@CY4PR03MB2584.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E298CCB@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL>

Hello,

I'll insert my responses.

<I>

*         Do your institutions have a contract / agreement with any particular software company? How well does this work out for access purposes?
<R>
We contract with Zoom. It has proven to be very accessible from my experience. As a professional, I've used it for online meetings and a few webinars. As a student, the institution I take classes through also uses it for class meetings and it has been fine.

<I>

*         Is there any specific software you would recommend / avoid entirely due to accessibility, and why?
<R>
I have not been happy with Adobe Connect. I always have problems accessing some part of the system. I cannot completely engage in the online event.

<I>

*         What are your experiences with such software used in courses from a general accessibility standpoint?
<R>
I have had good experiences with Zoom. I can share my screen and join, leave, or hoast meetings. I can access the chat window, the participant list, etc.

<I>

*         Do you have any experiences using such software in courses utilizing it for group discussions in real-time, particularly with a student using interpreting or captioning for access?
<R>
Not in class, but in a webinar situation, we used captioning and it worked well. Zoom is setup to work with various caption systems.

Hope this helps.



Robert Lee Beach
Assistive Technology Specialist
Kansas City Kansas Community College
7250 State Avenue
Kansas City, KS  66112
Phone: 913-288-7671
Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu>

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Priest, Ione
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 3:28 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Athen] Web Conferencing Software

Good afternoon all,

Some questions for you regarding web conferencing software:

*         Do your institutions have a contract / agreement with any particular software company? How well does this work out for access purposes?

*         Is there any specific software you would recommend / avoid entirely due to accessibility, and why?

*         What are your experiences with such software used in courses from a general accessibility standpoint?

*         Do you have any experiences using such software in courses utilizing it for group discussions in real-time, particularly with a student using interpreting or captioning for access?

Thank you in advance!

Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center
Plaza 122
Metropolitan State University of Denver
ipriest@msudenver.edu<mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu>
Phone: 303-615-0200
Fax: 720-778-5662
[Metropolitan State University of Denver]
This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information.  Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.

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From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu  Mon Jul 30 08:18:19 2018
From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong)
Date: Mon Jul 30 08:18:54 2018
Subject: [Athen] Web Conferencing Software
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR03MB2584B3BC54E6E2020DC760F8A52A0@CY4PR03MB2584.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR03MB2584B3BC54E6E2020DC760F8A52A0@CY4PR03MB2584.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF028EB90BF4@MB1.FHDA.LEARN>

>? Is there any specific software you would recommend / avoid entirely due to accessibility, and why?

Go To Meeting is wonky with screen readers in my experience. So is Web-Ex. Zoom is wonderful with screen readers.

Note that there is an extensive audio tutorial on using Zoom with screen readers from Jonathon Mosen at:
                https://mosen.org/zoom/
it?s well worth the $35 I spent on it.

Typically screen reader users have worked with Tc Conference, which is the webinar-web conferencing software used by VFO for their online trainings. However it doesn?t have as many visually rich features as zoom. Informally many screen reader users love Teamtalk and TeamSpeak as well as Ventrillo for internet conferencing. These programs are shareware and typically used by gamers, but have a long history of being accessible and free.

Skype is under active development by Microsoft and some versions are more accessible than others. Google hangouts has several interesting features for disabilities that can be investigated ? automatic captioning and a screen reader friendly whiteboard.

--Debee

--Debee



From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Priest, Ione
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 1:28 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Athen] Web Conferencing Software

Good afternoon all,

Some questions for you regarding web conferencing software:

?         Do your institutions have a contract / agreement with any particular software company? How well does this work out for access purposes?

?         Is there any specific software you would recommend / avoid entirely due to accessibility, and why?

?         What are your experiences with such software used in courses from a general accessibility standpoint?

?         Do you have any experiences using such software in courses utilizing it for group discussions in real-time, particularly with a student using interpreting or captioning for access?

Thank you in advance!

Ione Priest, CPACC
Accessibility Technology Manager
Access Center
Plaza 122
Metropolitan State University of Denver
ipriest@msudenver.edu<mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu>
Phone: 303-615-0200
Fax: 720-778-5662
[Metropolitan State University of Denver]
This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information.  Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.

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