From mwynd at towson.edu Thu Mar 1 05:55:29 2018 From: mwynd at towson.edu (Wynd, Matt) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] Job Opening: Towson, Maryland - Towson University, Digital Accessibility Analyst Message-ID: <9935C78E-BF0B-4A51-B3E7-8435D246F967@towson.edu> Towson University is currently accepting applications for a Digital Accessibility Analyst. This position provides full-time expert assistance to The Office of Technology Services (OTS) and other campus departments with digital accessibility consultation, research, review, and recommendations. It provides guidance on user interface and interactivity in the context of providing an online experience that is not only accessible but also allows for productive use by all audiences. This position provides the technical expertise needed to answer questions posed by The Office of Inclusion and Equity, and University Legal Counsel. Description The Digital Accessibility Analyst leads the OTS Accessibility workgroup comprised of a student staff team of Accessibility Associates. The workgroup focuses on developing digital accessibility education programming and presenting to the Towson University community; reviewing Voluntary Product Accessibility Templates (VPAT) for web apps under development or considered for procurement; providing technical guidance as part of the campus initiative to make the online teaching and learning environment compliant with Towson University and Federal standards; supporting implementation of the University System of Maryland's (USM) digital accessibility guidance. The Digital Accessibility Analyst participates in procurement reviews of campus technologies. Develops and conducts digital accessibility trainings/professional development. Conducts code level and screen reader based digital accessibility audits and provide guidance to developers on and off campus. Participates in campus workgroups and committees when a digital accessibility expert as needed. Provides supervision to digital accessibility student workers. Performs other duties as assigned or approved by this positions supervisor. Qualifications Bachelor's degree and two years of experience in technology analysis, support or development where the candidate has substantially participated in digital accessibility tasks. Advanced skills in use of a range of accessibility OS features, accessibility auditing software and assistive technologies. Advanced understanding of federal and state laws regarding digital accessibility. Advanced understanding of the WCAG 2.0 AA or most recent standard for web accessibility. Functional understanding of the accessibility tree, Aria code and other coding standards that produce well-built accessible web content and applications. Excellent communication skills. Preferred Skills: Trusted Tester Certification, CSUN Digital Accessibility Certification and advanced understanding of the connections between effective accessible design and overall successful user interfaces for all users. Except for qualifications established by law, additional related experience and formal education in which one has gained the knowledge, skills, and abilities required for full performance of the work of the job class may be substituted for the education or experience requirement on a year-for-year basis with 30 college credits being equivalent to one year of experience. A criminal background investigation is required for the hired candidate and the results may impact employment. Salary and Benefits Competitive salary and full University benefits that include 22 days of annual leave, up to 14 holidays, personal and sick days; excellent health, life, and retirement plans; and tuition remission. To learn more about our benefits, click here. 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Adam Adam Kosakowski Director of Student Accessibility Services (SAS) Clark University Preferred pronouns: he/him/his Phone: 508-798-4368 Fax: 508-421-3700 SAS is in room 430 of the Goddard Library To make an appointment, please call the office or stop by! Student Accessibility Services website Diversability meets every Wednesday at 4 p.m. in room 402 of Goddard Library, come by! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gdietrich at htctu.net Thu Mar 1 10:58:10 2018 From: gdietrich at htctu.net (Gaeir Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: DSPS Director position Message-ID: <018501d3b18f$3ef8d190$bcea74b0$@htctu.net> Columbia College, in the Sierra foothills of California, not far from the beautiful Yosemite Valley, is looking for a DSPS Director. Please see the link below and feel free to share this posting. Thank you! From: Brandon Price [mailto:priceb@yosemite.edu] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 12:48 PM Subject: DSPS position Here is the posting for the DSPS Counselor - Coordinator position at Columbia College. https://yosemite.peopleadmin.com/postings/3303 Thank you so much for sharing! Brandon Price Dean of Student Services Columbia College -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kelkind at bhcc.mass.edu Fri Mar 2 05:43:55 2018 From: kelkind at bhcc.mass.edu (Kenneth Elkind) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] Seeking recommendations for accessible LMS? Message-ID: <504CD6461379E346B2BB6493EFED9717016BBCC1B5@MB-02.bhcc.dom> With the creation of Learning management software we have had accessibility problems that they in the beginning and persisted the last 15 years. I have a student who has requested the use of Dragon NaturallySpeaking and was informed by the publisher that Dragon NaturallySpeaking and Zoomtext were not accessible. Some have partial accessibility for Jaws, but not independent use of jaws for the student. What publisher has the best accessibility access? What recommendations do you have? Cheers! Kenneth Elkind Disability Support Services Bunker Hill Community College 250 Rutherford Ave Charletown,MA 02129 617-228-2234 kelkind@bhcc.mass.edu Disability Support Services Website http://www.bhcc.edu/disabilitysupportservices/ Test Request Form https://bunkerhillcc.us2.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_42hfNlyGZzgC5fv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hadir at uw.edu Fri Mar 2 08:50:49 2018 From: hadir at uw.edu (Hadi Rangin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] Upgrading to the latest Office365 for people using AT or working with people using AT Message-ID: Hello everyone, First, I'd like to thank you all for the feedback on Windows 10 that you provided last December. We consolidated the feedback we received, verified them and shared with our Microsoft accessibility team. They have filed the bugs/enhancement suggestions with the respective teams. They are looking into them. I can't provide more information due to NDA but I am expecting that they will address some of them in near future. Now, I have a different question. What are the problems and issues with upgrading to the latest Office365 for people using AT or working with people using AT? Please share your top 3 reasons. We will share and discuss them with Microsoft accessibility team and hopefully they can address them. As always, I would like to invite you to join our collaboration team with Microsoft so you can discuss the problems and ideas directly with them. Please drop me a note if you are interested. 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Discussion on deployment blockers, problems and issues with upgrading to the latest O365 for people using AT or working with people using AT. - Anita Mortaloni 4. Possible training/meet-up in Redmond? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fosters at sou.edu Fri Mar 2 10:02:15 2018 From: fosters at sou.edu (Shawn Foster) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of Moodle's Boost theme? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Adam: We didn't get into screen reader testing as Boost failed testing before that point. Color contrast is seriously insufficient and our Moodle host was absolutely unwilling to make changes. sf *Shawn Foster* Disability Resources Coordinator Southern Oregon University | 1250 Siskiyou Blvd | Ashland OR 97520 541-552-6213, ext.2 On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Adam Kosakowski wrote: > Hello wise list-ers! > > My campus is looking into the accessibility of Moodle?s Boost theme. I > wanted to reach out to see if anyone on this list has experience with it > and could speak to its accessibility, particularly with screen readers. > > Thanks! > Adam > > Adam Kosakowski > Director of Student Accessibility Services (SAS) > Clark University > Preferred pronouns: he/him/his > Phone: 508-798-4368 <(508)%20798-4368> > Fax: 508-421-3700 <(508)%20421-3700> > SAS is in room 430 of the Goddard Library > To make an appointment, please call the office or stop by! > *Student Accessibility Services website* > > *Diversability* > meets every Wednesday at 4 p.m. in room 402 of Goddard Library, come by! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From junele at microsoft.com Fri Mar 2 18:20:55 2018 From: junele at microsoft.com (June Lee) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone, below are the list of scenarios we would like to receive feedback on. Please feel free to reply via email with feedback if you can't attend the meeting. Office Online Ribbon Navigation Scenarios for Feedback Contacts: June Lee > and Jeremy Spurlin > Background Office Online is working on a simpler ribbon to reduce the perception of complexity that our product currently has. We are leveraging this opportunity to revisit our earlier decisions around keyboard (KB) interactions and assistive technology (AT) announcements to improve our products' experience for all users. One challenge we face is that as an Office product hosted online, we sit at the intersection of several and sometimes different standards - Office, the web, and other online Microsoft products. The questions this week focus on navigating to/from/within the ribbon. The ribbon consists of 2 rows referred to as the Upper Ribbon and Lower Ribbon. The upper ribbon consist of the File Menu Launcher, Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, etc.), and Peripheral Controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share). One tab may be in "active" at a time, and that defines the contents of the lower ribbon. The Lower Ribbon consists of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains the commanding tools (i.e. Bold, Italic, Underline, etc.) related to the active tab. Thank you in advanced for your feedback and help! Ctrl + F6 loop Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses F6, Office Online uses CTRL + F6 to take you through its UI surfaces. This is due to browser limitations. How UI surfaces are bounded impacts how you arrow or tab to navigate within that surface. 1. When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you expect to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab? 2. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as: a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the lower ribbon to be another UI surface c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the peripheral controls to be another UI surface d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and lower ribbon to be another UI surface Ribbon Upper Ribbon Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls: * File * Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View) * Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share) 1. When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you to Home or (b) stay on File? 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you to Share or (b) stay on File? 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it? 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab? 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab? 6. Does Tab (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon? 7. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? Lower Ribbon Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 group. 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first item in each group? 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does Tab and Shift-Tab (a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop? 4. Does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) jump you through each group, with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing? 5. If you selected "A" for #4, does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop? 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab? 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? Menus Menu items only 1. Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then hitting the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other end? Menu items + submenus 1. Does Alt within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? 2. Does Esc within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? Menu items + comboboxes/spinners/checkboxes 1. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? 2. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? 3. Does typing a new value in a combobox or spinner and then hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it? Menu items + menu sections 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the first item in each menu section? 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each menu item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu section? 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in the current menu section? Menu items + grid Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed. 1. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from a menu item enter G1 at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify? 2. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 at (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, or (c) a different index, please specify? 3. Does entering grid G1 with Up Arrow from a menu item enter G1 (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify? 4. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different index, please specify? 5. Does entering a grid with Tab take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? 6. Does entering a grid with Shift + Tab take you to (a) index 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing? 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it is a submenu)? 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had focus in the grid or (b) something else? 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)? Keytips (aka accelerator keys) Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses "Alt," Office Online uses "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting "Alt + Windows" shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of two things will happen. One, if the control's children has keytips, focus gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control's default function will be executed. For example, if you hit "Alt + Windows" and then "N," keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon's contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit "NU," focus will be on the "Page Numbers" menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting "R" will execute "Remove Page Numbers" because this menu item doesn't have any children. 1. Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they appear (in keytip mode)? 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values? 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips? Warm regards, June From: Anita Mortaloni Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:50 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Cc: Erin Williams (CELA) ; June Lee ; Jeremy Spurlin ; Anita Mortaloni Subject: Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting Hi ATHEN, Sharing out the agenda for the upcoming ATHEN meeting next Wednesday 1/10 at 9am. We have a full agenda and great topics to discuss. If you have additional items that you would like to discuss, please send them prior to the meeting to add them to the agenda. Talk to you all next week! Anita Agenda for 03/07 ATHEN-Microsoft Meeting 1. Update on bug status from eDAD - Erin Williams 2. Update on ribbon feedback/scenarios - June Lee 3. Discussion on deployment blockers, problems and issues with upgrading to the latest O365 for people using AT or working with people using AT. - Anita Mortaloni 4. Possible training/meet-up in Redmond? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From solowoniukr at macewan.ca Tue Mar 6 09:51:22 2018 From: solowoniukr at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Robert, What version of NVDA are you running? I just tried going to the Home tab in MS Word 2016 with NVDA 2017.4. I press the alt key to go to the Home tab. I then press enter to open the home tab, and I land on the Paste button. I press alt + down arrow, and am in a list of paste options, ?Use destination theme?, ?Paste Special?, ?Keep source formatting?, etc. Thanks, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 1:28 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word Thanks everyone for your responses. Neither of these suggestions work with NVDA. I will need to reach out to their list and ask. I'll report back when I find out. Thank goodness for object nav. Robert On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:44 PM, S A. Marositz > wrote: Hi Robert Alt+down errow is supposed to do it. Another option for activating ?split buttons? is space bar where ?enter? will simply activate it. You are right, This does not seem to be working in Word 2016 with NVDA. It is with Jaws18 though. Best Stephen Alexander Marositz JD, CPACC Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College Phone: (626) 585-7242 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 11:23 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word Hello everyone! I'm using a screen reader with Word 2016 (NVDA to be specific) and I am trying to figure out how to activate submenus on the ribbon. For example, the first button off the Home tab is the Paste button. I have been told, though, that there is an arrow next to it that when clicked will open a menu with related options, such as Paste Special. How does one access this menu with the keyboard? I can get to the paste button itself, but pressing enter on it of course executes the paste command. Pressing the applications key or right clicking pulls up another menu, but not the one I want. I noticed that, with NVDA, routing the cursor to the object, using some object nav magic then left-clicking produces the menu with Paste Special, Text Only, etc but there has to be an easier way...I hope? Thanks in advance for your wisdom! Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dietrich) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] technology for seniors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I know there's a phone company targeted at seniors, https://www.greatcall.com/. They make simple phones with large text and accessibility features, from what I understand. I don't know much about them, but maybe they would be a helpful place to look. -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM -----Original Message----- From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Tess McMillan Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 3:23 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] technology for seniors I realize this may be off-topic and possibly a duplicate query for all of you as I cross-posted to ITAccess/Educause. Can you recommend technologies that seniors can use to stay in contact? For example, if there might be vision issues (such as reduced visual field due to macular degeneration) combined with some memory issues < making navigating a complex email client difficult? Or, best practices for cell phones or text messaging for clumsy fingers? Thank you! Tess Tess McMillan Web site Manager, Student Programs, Bellevue College bellevuecollege.edu/stupro and bellevuecollege.edu/PALS (425) 564-5084 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From jeffreydell99 at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 13:46:42 2018 From: jeffreydell99 at gmail.com (Jeffrey Dell) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] technology for seniors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66188A60-01FF-4484-AB4B-EDC99EC77D44@gmail.com> This is a solution I saw along time ago. Sounds like it might do some of what you?re looking for. Guide by Dolphin https://yourdolphin.com/guide Jeff Sent from my iPhone. please excuse errors from using Apple's dictation feature. > On Mar 6, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Tess McMillan wrote: > > I realize this may be off-topic and possibly a duplicate query for all of > you as I cross-posted to ITAccess/Educause. > > Can you recommend technologies that seniors can use to stay in contact? > > For example, if there might be vision issues (such as reduced visual field > due to macular degeneration) combined with some memory issues ? making > navigating a complex email client difficult? > > Or, best practices for cell phones or text messaging for clumsy fingers? > > Thank you! > > Tess > > > Tess McMillan > Web site Manager, Student Programs, Bellevue College > bellevuecollege.edu/stupro and > bellevuecollege.edu/PALS > (425) 564-5084 > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net Tue Mar 6 14:06:46 2018 From: ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net (Shelley Haven) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] technology for seniors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For seniors who need a simplified computer interface, simplified interface for commonly-used software (email, contacts, audio/video chat, photos, news, games, etc.), and alternative access (touchscreen, mouse alternative, etc.), consider these options: https://www.redstampmail.com http://www.eldy.eu http://pawpawmail.com http://www.pointerware.com https://seeyoulink.com I've tried all but the last one with senior clients ? they have their various pros and cons. Most have a ?monitor? mode where another adult can remotely keep track of the senior?s activities and even provide assistance. I?ve also used a MacBook in Simple Finder mode with a senior client, and added a remote assistance app (Join.Me, Zoom, etc.) so that I could assist and train their caregivers as needed. Some companies have specifically adapted computers for easier use by seniors ? for example: https://www.mywowcomputer.com http://www.aplusseniorcomputer.com/touch%20screen.htm I?m sure there are others out there, too, as well as companies who have adapted Android tablets, etc. Hope this helps, Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant www.TechPotential.net > On Mar 6, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Tess McMillan wrote: > > I realize this may be off-topic and possibly a duplicate query for all of > you as I cross-posted to ITAccess/Educause. > > Can you recommend technologies that seniors can use to stay in contact? > > For example, if there might be vision issues (such as reduced visual field > due to macular degeneration) combined with some memory issues ? making > navigating a complex email client difficult? > > Or, best practices for cell phones or text messaging for clumsy fingers? > > Thank you! > > Tess > > > Tess McMillan > Web site Manager, Student Programs, Bellevue College > bellevuecollege.edu/stupro and > bellevuecollege.edu/PALS > (425) 564-5084 > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Mar 7 06:07:26 2018 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] Volunteers needed! Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E25E98F@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Hello ATHEN members, Once again ATHEN is working on the Teresa Haven Scholarship for Students with Disabilities. We will need folks to review applications and make recommendations for the students who apply. This process will take place from April 9 through April 20. I have a couple of folks who signed up at the ATHEN meeting in November. If you are an ATHEN member in good standing, would have time and could volunteer to help with this, please send me an email at rbeach@kckcc.edu so I can get your name on the list. Feel free to contact me with any questions. Also, don't forget to nominate your outstanding students! Thank you for your willingness to assist. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GERMAN.FERMIN at PURCHASE.EDU Wed Mar 7 08:42:38 2018 From: GERMAN.FERMIN at PURCHASE.EDU (Fermin, German) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6088a4e6c490455689723fb44dbe3cc6@VSMAILMB02.purchase.edu> I'm interspersing my comments within the questions. Although I must say that since I am at a helpdesk for a College and I have been supporting ribbons for a number of years now, the complexity is not "perception", it is indeed much harder than it needs to be. Hopefully all this feedback will help. When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you expect to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab? Feedback: I would expect for it to land on File. This brings is consistency to the experience. Always good to have one starting point less confusing to have a consistent starting point. 1. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as: a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the lower ribbon to be another UI surface c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the peripheral controls to be another UI surface d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and lower ribbon to be another UI surface Feedback: Closest would be A. Keep it consistent. It is too easy to get lost in the dizzying amount of differing options that could be navigated to within both Word and outlook. If it gets broken up into smaller amounts of groups and not so many subcategories, easier on the brain. Quicker to get from point A to point B rather then worrying about which ribbon I'm in and having to remember that the lower ribbon may have other options that I may or may not need. I would much rather drill down to get somewhere linearly than tabbing through 100 controls in order to get to that one thing I need to change. Ribbon Upper Ribbon Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls: * File * Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View) * Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share) 1. When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you to Home or (b) stay on File? Feedback: Stay on file because that is a button and not a tab. A button is to be pressed to activate a function. In this case we have File tab buttons. That's confusing. Which is it? 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you to Share or (b) stay on File? Feedback: I would expect for it to go to another button. Just like if I was navigating through tabs, I would expect for it to go to another tab. 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it? Feedback: A. If I move focus to another tab, I expect focus to be there as well. I may not do anything within that tab but if I'm focused in a tab, I want to be able to make changes in that now focus and active tab. 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab? Feedback: If I hit left arrow, I expect to cycle through the different tabs within that level. Just like if I went with the right arrow. 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab? Feedback: Same as above. I expect to go to the next tab. Tell me still appears to be a keyboard trap for me. 6. Does Tab (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon? Feedback: Currently it seems like it does a mixture of all three. I would align closest to B. If I use tab, I expect to hit the controls that are in the tab I selected/activated. 7. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? Feedback: Shift+tab should take you through the reverse order of the tab you are in within the same level. If this is a different experience going backwards, that's just confusing. If I start having different experiences depending on which direction I'm going in, that makes it conditional and leaving it up to the user to remember. Also, if the experiences changes like that, I would imagine that it would be also hard to update since it's conditional on the programming side. I'm others can speak to this. 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? Feedback: To keep it consistent, tab would go to the first item associated with that tab header. So C in this case. 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? Feedback: To keep it consistent, same as above. If you are on tab headers and you hit up arrow, it should do nothing. Lower Ribbon Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 group. 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first item in each group? Feedback: Take you through each item in each group. Whether they are groups or tabs, the experience should remain the same. 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? Feedback: Take you through items in reverse order. The rest of the choices add layers of confusion. 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does Tab and Shift-Tab (a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop? Feedback: It should loop within the chosen tab. 4. Does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) jump you through each group, with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing? Feedback: I would choose A but what is exactly is the difference between a group from a tab? Is the experience suppose to be different? Is control+left or right arrow suppose to replace control+tab and shift tab? 5. If you selected "A" for #4, does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop? Feedback: If control+left or right arrow for navigating through groups, it should loop through the groups, not the items within the group. That should be reserved for tabbing. 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab? Feedback: If I am at the end of the items and I tab, I expect to loop within that section. Taking to the next tab is only going to confuse me. I choose C. 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? Feedback: Nothing on both of these. Although I think this is worth talking through. Problem with this is I never remember which key I am suppose to use for navigating or activating things. Menus Menu items only 1. Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then hitting the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other end? Feedback: Loop to the other end. I always expect that and if I don't get that I get confused and start second guessing thinking that perhaps I missed something. Menu items + submenus 1. Does Alt within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? Feedback: Dismiss the whole chain. I guess I'm so use to hitting alt to get to a menu or out of them. To me it has always been like a toggle. Alt to activate the menu and alt to be out of that menu. 2. Does Esc within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? Feedback: Escapes at the moment seems to go back one level at a time in some cases. If it did that consistently, it would make sense. Menu items + combo boxes/spinners/checkboxes 1. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combo box, spinner, or checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? Feedback: It would really depend on what actions were available. If only one action can be performed within that combo box I would expect for it to be closed. I would closest align with A. Although, I want focus to remain just in case I want to confirm my changes. 2. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combo box, spinner, or checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? Feedback: Same as above. IS this the same question or am I missing something? 3. Does typing a new value in a combo box or spinner and then hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it? Feedback: Strongly align with A. Resetting it after tabbing could only be compared to a nightmare. If a screen reader can only focus on one thing at a time, resetting the values would only add another layer of complexity. If I'm following instructions from a web page and I have cycle through the windows after following the instructions... Resetting, reading, resetting, reading etc. Menu items + menu sections 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the first item in each menu section? Feedback: Traditionally, if I'm traveling through menu's, I am using arrow keys and not tabbing through them. If I start tabbing, in my mind it is no longer a menu but a tab. 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each menu item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu section? Same as above. If I am tabbing, it's not a menu. 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in the current menu section? Loop in the current menu section. Menu items + grid Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed. 1. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from a menu item enter G1 at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify? Feedback: Like most things, I would like consistency and one starting point. If I enter a grid, I expect to start from the same place giving the option of moving to where I need to be, go or change within that grid menu or tab. So index 0,0 2. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 at (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, or (c) a different index, please specify? Feedback: I would keep this consistent. If I am in a new grid, I would like to start from the same position every time. That gives me the option to navigate where I need to go. Less of a burden on the brain. 3. 1Does entering grid G1 with Up Arrow from a menu item enter G1 (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify? Feedback: This is counter intuitive. Do I go up to the bottom of a grid? Using the down arrow key feels more like a logical direction to me to go into something. Would I go up the stairs to go down into a room? At least not in one fluid motion. Perhaps others miles may vary in this experience. 4. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different index, please specify? Feedback: I would like consistency. I would still want to start from the same spot no matter which grid I was going into or coming from. Although I can see why you may want to start where you left off if you are dealing with going in and out of multiple grids. 5. Does entering a grid with Tab take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? Feedback: So is this a menu or a grid? If tab takes you to a grid, index 0,0. Consistent starting point. 6. Does entering a grid with Shift + Tab take you to (a) index 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? Feedback: Same as above. I would want the same entry point regardless which way I get to it. 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing? Feedback: I lean toward staying within the same row. I want the option to move down to the next row when I need to. 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it is a submenu)? Feedback: We need to establish behaviors rather than doing all of the above. A grid isn't a menu so shouldn't behave as such. If there is a submenu on an item in a grid, I would expect to back out of the submenu with left arrow or go deeper into it with right arrow. Once I am back in the grid and the menu is collapsed, arrows should take me to the next grid point. So potentially collapse when using left arrow. If using right arrow, it should go to next grid point if back in the grid or submenu's if within submenu's. 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had focus in the grid or (b) something else? Feedback: In this instant because it's a submenu, focus should return back to the grid point where that submenu was located. This should remain consistent so using the opposite arrow key will depend on where you are and what you are interacting with at a time. If within a submenu, it should behave like one. Arrowing up and down through a menu, right arrow to open a submenu like a tree branch, left arrow to close that tree branch. Escape to close the menu and return you back to the grid point where you started. 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)? Feedback: To keep it consistent I like the idea of opening the menu or submenu with one keystroke whether it be enter or the spacebar and traversing through menu and submenus like I said above. So it should collapse when hitting left arrow only when hitting the left most boundary. Closing menus and submenu's them with escape which is totally different then collapsing. Keytips (aka accelerator keys) Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses "Alt," Office Online uses "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting "Alt + Windows" shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of two things will happen. One, if the control's children has keytips, focus gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control's default function will be executed. For example, if you hit "Alt + Windows" and then "N," keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon's contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit "NU," focus will be on the "Page Numbers" menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting "R" will execute "Remove Page Numbers" because this menu item doesn't have any children. 1. Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they appear (in keytip mode)? Feedback: Yes. Anything that will help me from point a to point B faster is ideal. 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values? Feedback: It use to be which ever was the highlighted letter was the accelerator key. That should remain consistent and when changed it should be documented. Using Jaws I used to be able to hit numpad plus the number 5 to query what was highlighted 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips? Feedback: I would like to be able to query as needed, not to be told all the time. We as screen reader users already have enough chatter. Thank you and if there's something that I wasn't clear about, please ask. German From: athen-list On Behalf Of June Lee Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM To: Anita Mortaloni ; athen-list@u.washington.edu Cc: Erin Williams (CELA) Subject: Re: [Athen] Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting Hi everyone, below are the list of scenarios we would like to receive feedback on. Please feel free to reply via email with feedback if you can't attend the meeting. Office Online Ribbon Navigation Scenarios for Feedback Contacts: June Lee > and Jeremy Spurlin > Background Office Online is working on a simpler ribbon to reduce the perception of complexity that our product currently has. We are leveraging this opportunity to revisit our earlier decisions around keyboard (KB) interactions and assistive technology (AT) announcements to improve our products' experience for all users. One challenge we face is that as an Office product hosted online, we sit at the intersection of several and sometimes different standards - Office, the web, and other online Microsoft products. The questions this week focus on navigating to/from/within the ribbon. The ribbon consists of 2 rows referred to as the Upper Ribbon and Lower Ribbon. The upper ribbon consist of the File Menu Launcher, Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, etc.), and Peripheral Controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share). One tab may be in "active" at a time, and that defines the contents of the lower ribbon. The Lower Ribbon consists of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains the commanding tools (i.e. Bold, Italic, Underline, etc.) related to the active tab. Thank you in advanced for your feedback and help! Ctrl + F6 loop Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses F6, Office Online uses CTRL + F6 to take you through its UI surfaces. This is due to browser limitations. How UI surfaces are bounded impacts how you arrow or tab to navigate within that surface. 1. When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you expect to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab? 2. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as: a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the lower ribbon to be another UI surface c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the peripheral controls to be another UI surface d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and lower ribbon to be another UI surface Ribbon Upper Ribbon Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls: * File * Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View) * Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share) 1. When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you to Home or (b) stay on File? 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you to Share or (b) stay on File? 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it? 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab? 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab? 6. Does Tab (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon? 7. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? Lower Ribbon Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 group. 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first item in each group? 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does Tab and Shift-Tab (a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop? 4. Does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) jump you through each group, with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing? 5. If you selected "A" for #4, does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop? 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab? 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? Menus Menu items only 1. Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then hitting the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other end? Menu items + submenus 1. Does Alt within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? 2. Does Esc within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? Menu items + comboboxes/spinners/checkboxes 1. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? 2. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? 3. Does typing a new value in a combobox or spinner and then hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it? Menu items + menu sections 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the first item in each menu section? 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each menu item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu section? 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in the current menu section? Menu items + grid Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed. 1. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from a menu item enter G1 at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify? 2. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 at (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, or (c) a different index, please specify? 3. Does entering grid G1 with Up Arrow from a menu item enter G1 (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify? 4. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different index, please specify? 5. Does entering a grid with Tab take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? 6. Does entering a grid with Shift + Tab take you to (a) index 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing? 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it is a submenu)? 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had focus in the grid or (b) something else? 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)? Keytips (aka accelerator keys) Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses "Alt," Office Online uses "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting "Alt + Windows" shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of two things will happen. One, if the control's children has keytips, focus gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control's default function will be executed. For example, if you hit "Alt + Windows" and then "N," keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon's contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit "NU," focus will be on the "Page Numbers" menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting "R" will execute "Remove Page Numbers" because this menu item doesn't have any children. 1. Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they appear (in keytip mode)? 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values? 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips? Warm regards, June From: Anita Mortaloni Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:50 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Cc: Erin Williams (CELA) >; June Lee >; Jeremy Spurlin >; Anita Mortaloni > Subject: Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting Hi ATHEN, Sharing out the agenda for the upcoming ATHEN meeting next Wednesday 1/10 at 9am. We have a full agenda and great topics to discuss. If you have additional items that you would like to discuss, please send them prior to the meeting to add them to the agenda. Talk to you all next week! Anita Agenda for 03/07 ATHEN-Microsoft Meeting 1. Update on bug status from eDAD - Erin Williams 2. Update on ribbon feedback/scenarios - June Lee 3. Discussion on deployment blockers, problems and issues with upgrading to the latest O365 for people using AT or working with people using AT. - Anita Mortaloni 4. Possible training/meet-up in Redmond? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deatonph at msu.edu Wed Mar 7 09:08:01 2018 From: deatonph at msu.edu (Deaton, Phillip) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] Survey Study: Digital Accessibility in Higher Education - Participation Requested! Message-ID: Hi everyone, I'm emailing to request participation in a short survey about the State of Digital Accessibility in Higher Education. The survey is designed to take roughly 10-15 minutes to complete. Responses are recorded confidentially, and will be analyzed in the aggregate. A summary analysis will be provided after the conclusion of the study to this list. 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This is another reason I've always been frustrated with these ribbons, because the ways of interacting with them have not been consistent. I have since accepted that the ribbons are here to stay, but it doesn't mean I have to like them. Haha. In either case, I do have JAWS installed on here so I'll give that a try and see what my results are. What version of Office are you using, because that could also make a difference. I'm on 2016. Thanks again, Robert On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote: > Hi Robert, > > > > What version of NVDA are you running? I just tried going to the Home tab > in MS Word 2016 with NVDA 2017.4. I press the alt key to go to the Home > tab. I then press enter to open the home tab, and I land on the Paste > button. I press alt + down arrow, and am in a list of paste options, ?Use > destination theme?, ?Paste Special?, ?Keep source formatting?, etc. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Russell > > > > Russell Solowoniuk > > AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities > > MacEwan University > > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > > T: 780-497-5826 <(780)%20497-5826> > > F: 780-497-4018 <(780)%20497-4018> > > macewan.ca > > [image: MacEwan Logo] > > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. 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I'll report back when I find out. > > Thank goodness for object nav. > > Robert > > > > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:44 PM, S A. Marositz > wrote: > > Hi Robert > > > > Alt+down errow is supposed to do it. Another option for activating ?split > buttons? is space bar where ?enter? will simply activate it. You are right, > This does not seem to be working in Word 2016 with NVDA. It is with Jaws18 > though. > > > > Best > > Stephen Alexander Marositz JD, CPACC > Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College > Phone: (626) 585-7242 > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 11:23 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word > > > > Hello everyone! I'm using a screen reader with Word 2016 (NVDA to be > specific) and I am trying to figure out how to activate submenus on the > ribbon. For example, the first button off the Home tab is the Paste > button. I have been told, though, that there is an arrow next to it that > when clicked will open a menu with related options, such as Paste Special. > > How does one access this menu with the keyboard? I can get to the paste > button itself, but pressing enter on it of course executes the paste > command. Pressing the applications key or right clicking pulls up another > menu, but not the one I want. I noticed that, with NVDA, routing the > cursor to the object, using some object nav magic then left-clicking > produces the menu with Paste Special, Text Only, etc but there has to be an > easier way...I hope? > > Thanks in advance for your wisdom! > > Robert > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. 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Hopefully all this feedback will help. > > > > When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you expect to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab? > > Feedback: > > I would expect for it to land on File. This brings is consistency to the experience. Always good to have one starting point less confusing to have a consistent starting point. > Karen - use Ctrl + F6 to cycle through open documents in a specific Office application...for example, of I have two or more Word docs open, Ctrl + F6 cycles me forward through my open Word docs while Ctrl + Shift + F6 cycles me backward through them...has this been reassigned? > > > 1. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as: > > a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface > > b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the lower ribbon to be another UI surface > > c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the peripheral controls to be another UI surface > > d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and lower ribbon to be another UI surface > > Feedback: > > Closest would be A. Keep it consistent. It is too easy to get lost in the dizzying amount of differing options that could be navigated to within both Word and outlook. If it gets broken up into smaller amounts of groups and not so many subcategories, easier on the brain. Quicker to get from point A to point B rather then worrying about which ribbon I?m in and having to remember that the lower ribbon may have other options that I may or may not need. I would much rather drill down to get somewhere linearly than tabbing through 100 controls in order to get to that one thing I need to change. > > Karen - Not sure I understand. I expect File/Backstage, regular ribbon tabs, Add-in tabs and then Sub-Rbbons like aTable Tools or Drawing Tools with Ask Me at the end and account info and send a smile to the far right. > > Ribbon > Upper Ribbon > Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls: > ? File > > ? Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View) > > ? Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share) > > 1. When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you to Home or (b) stay on File? > > Feedback: > > Stay on file because that is a button and not a tab. A button is to be pressed to activate a function. In this case we have File tab buttons. That?s confusing. Which is it? > Karen - I would agree since Alt on its own takes you to either the Home tab or the tab you ere last on, not the File/Backstage area. > > > 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you to Share or (b) stay on File? > > Feedback: > > I would expect for it to go to another button. Just like if I was navigating through tabs, I would expect for it to go to another tab. > Karen- same as comment above. Focus should remain on File/Backstage...although when I've accidentally pressed Alt + F, it is nice to just press an arrow key to move into the tabs. > > > 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it? > > Feedback: > > A. If I move focus to another tab, I expect focus to be there as well. I may not do anything within that tab but if I?m focused in a tab, I want to be able to make changes in that now focus and active tab. > > > Karen - I can see both scenarios...if I'm moving to fast and miss the Ribbon I want, it is nice to just go back without backing out of a Ribbon...but if I want to work more efficiently, I'd want to move directly into the tool...but my final answer is that it not activate the Ribbon. I can use the specific keyboard command to move to and activate the Ribbon. I see using the arrows as more of an exploratory tool or something for me to jog my memory for what the name of a Ribbon is that I don't often use. That is how I use Alt plus Arrows. > 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab? > > Feedback: > > If I hit left arrow, I expect to cycle through the different tabs within that level. Just like if I went with the right arrow. > Hmmm, I would say yes here but it negates my previous answered about File/Backstage...so...I think that File/backstage should be thought of as a vertical Ribbon instead of as a button which would allow for more fluid navigation along the top tabs and we wouldn't get stuck on a "File" button. Are we using the term "File button" based on the old Office button? In thinking about it, I already have kind of thought of it as a vertical Ribbon with groups of tools > > > 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab? > > Feedback: > > Same as above. I expect to go to the next tab. Tell me still appears to be a keyboard trap for me. > Karen - I expect to go to the next tab or item. I use the arrow keys to find a specific tab/tool or to see if anything new has been added, skipping over things is confusing and doesn't really give me the ability to visualize the way the UI is laid out. Will send more later...next Conference session is about to start. > > > 6. Does Tab (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon? > > Feedback: > > Currently it seems like it does a mixture of all three. I would align closest to B. If I use tab, I expect to hit the controls that are in the tab I selected/activated. > > > > 7. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? > > Feedback: > > Shift+tab should take you through the reverse order of the tab you are in within the same level. If this is a different experience going backwards, that?s just confusing. If I start having different experiences depending on which direction I?m going in, that makes it conditional and leaving it up to the user to remember. Also, if the experiences changes like that, I would imagine that it would be also hard to update since it?s conditional on the programming side. I?m others can speak to this. > > > > 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? > > Feedback: > > To keep it consistent, tab would go to the first item associated with that tab header. So C in this case. > > > > 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? > > Feedback: > > To keep it consistent, same as above. If you are on tab headers and you hit up arrow, it should do nothing. > > > > Lower Ribbon > Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 group. > 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first item in each group? > > Feedback: > > Take you through each item in each group. Whether they are groups or tabs, the experience should remain the same. > > > > 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? > > Feedback: > > Take you through items in reverse order. The rest of the choices add layers of confusion. > > > > 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does Tab and Shift-Tab (a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop? > > Feedback: > > It should loop within the chosen tab. > > > > 4. Does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) jump you through each group, with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing? > > Feedback: > > I would choose A but what is exactly is the difference between > > a group from a tab? Is the experience suppose to be different? Is control+left or right arrow suppose to replace control+tab and shift tab? > > > > 5. If you selected ?A? for #4, does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop? > > Feedback: > > If control+left or right arrow for navigating through groups, it should loop through the groups, not the items within the group. That should be reserved for tabbing. > > > > 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab? > > Feedback: > > If I am at the end of the items and I tab, I expect to loop within that section. Taking to the next tab is only going to confuse me. I choose C. > > > > 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? > > 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? > > Feedback: > > Nothing on both of these. Although I think this is worth talking through. Problem with this is I never remember which key I am suppose to use for navigating or activating things. > > > > Menus > Menu items only > 1. Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then hitting the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other end? > > Feedback: > > Loop to the other end. I always expect that and if I don?t get that I get confused and start second guessing thinking that perhaps I missed something. > > > > Menu items + submenus > 1. Does Alt within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? > > Feedback: > > Dismiss the whole chain. I guess I?m so use to hitting alt to get to a menu or out of them. To me it has always been like a toggle. Alt to activate the menu and alt to be out of that menu. > > > > 2. Does Esc within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? > > Feedback: > > Escapes at the moment seems to go back one level at a time in some cases. If it did that consistently, it would make sense. > > > > Menu items + combo boxes/spinners/checkboxes > 1. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combo box, spinner, or checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? > > Feedback: > > It would really depend on what actions were available. If only one action can be performed within that combo box I would expect for it to be closed. I would closest align with A. Although, I want focus to remain just in case I want to confirm my changes. > > > > 2. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combo box, spinner, or checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? > > Feedback: > > Same as above. IS this the same question or am I missing something? > > > > 3. Does typing a new value in a combo box or spinner and then hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it? > > Feedback: > > Strongly align with A. Resetting it after tabbing could only be compared to a nightmare. If a screen reader can only focus on one thing at a time, resetting the values would only add another layer of complexity. If I?m following instructions from a web page and I have cycle through the windows after following the instructions? Resetting, reading, resetting, reading etc. > > > > Menu items + menu sections > 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the first item in each menu section? > > Feedback: > > Traditionally, if I?m traveling through menu?s, I am using arrow keys and not tabbing through them. If I start tabbing, in my mind it is no longer a menu but a tab. > > > > 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each menu item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu section? > > Same as above. If I am tabbing, it?s not a menu. > > > > 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in the current menu section? > > Loop in the current menu section. > > > > Menu items + grid > Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed. > 1. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from a menu item enter G1 at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify? > > Feedback: > > Like most things, I would like consistency and one starting point. If I enter a grid, I expect to start from the same place giving the option of moving to where I need to be, go or change within that grid menu or tab. So index 0,0 > > > > 2. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 at (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, or (c) a different index, please specify? > > Feedback: > > I would keep this consistent. If I am in a new grid, I would like to start from the same position every time. That gives me the option to navigate where I need to go. Less of a burden on the brain. > > > > 3. 1Does entering grid G1 with Up Arrow from a menu item enter G1 (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify? > > Feedback: > > This is counter intuitive. Do I go up to the bottom of a grid? Using the down arrow key feels more like a logical direction to me to go into something. Would I go up the stairs to go down into a room? At least not in one fluid motion. Perhaps others miles may vary in this experience. > > > > 4. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different index, please specify? > > Feedback: > > I would like consistency. I would still want to start from the same spot no matter which grid I was going into or coming from. Although I can see why you may want to start where you left off if you are dealing with going in and out of multiple grids. > > > > 5. Does entering a grid with Tab take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? > > Feedback: > > So is this a menu or a grid? If tab takes you to a grid, index 0,0. Consistent starting point. > > > > 6. Does entering a grid with Shift + Tab take you to (a) index 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? > > Feedback: > > Same as above. I would want the same entry point regardless which way I get to it. > > > > 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing? > > Feedback: > > I lean toward staying within the same row. I want the option to move down to the next row when I need to. > > > > 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it is a submenu)? > > Feedback: > > We need to establish behaviors rather than doing all of the above. A grid isn?t a menu so shouldn?t behave as such. If there is a submenu on an item in a grid, I would expect to back out of the submenu with left arrow or go deeper into it with right arrow. Once I am back in the grid and the menu is collapsed, arrows should take me to the next grid point. So potentially collapse when using left arrow. If using right arrow, it should go to next grid point if back in the grid or submenu?s if within submenu?s. > > > > 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had focus in the grid or (b) something else? > > Feedback: > > In this instant because it?s a submenu, focus should return back to the grid point where that submenu was located. This should remain consistent so using the opposite arrow key will depend on where you are and what you are interacting with at a time. If within a submenu, it should behave like one. Arrowing up and down through a menu, right arrow to open a submenu like a tree branch, left arrow to close that tree branch. Escape to close the menu and return you back to the grid point where you started. > > > > 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)? > > Feedback: > > To keep it consistent I like the idea of opening the menu or submenu with one keystroke whether it be enter or the spacebar and traversing through menu and submenus like I said above. So it should collapse when hitting left arrow only when hitting the left most boundary. Closing menus and submenu?s them with escape which is totally different then collapsing. > > > > Keytips (aka accelerator keys) > Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses ?Alt,? Office Online uses "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting ?Alt + Windows? shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of two things will happen. One, if the control?s children has keytips, focus gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control?s default function will be executed. For example, if you hit ?Alt + Windows? and then ?N,? keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon?s contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit ?NU,? focus will be on the ?Page Numbers? menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting ?R? will execute ?Remove Page Numbers? because this menu item doesn?t have any children. > 1. Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they appear (in keytip mode)? > > Feedback: > > Yes. Anything that will help me from point a to point B faster is ideal. > > > > 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values? > > Feedback: > > It use to be which ever was the highlighted letter was the accelerator key. That should remain consistent and when changed it should be documented. Using Jaws I used to be able to hit numpad plus the number 5 to query what was highlighted > > > 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips? > > Feedback: > I would like to be able to query as needed, not to be told all the time. We as screen reader users already have enough chatter. > > Thank you and if there?s something that I wasn?t clear about, please ask. > > German > From: athen-list On Behalf Of June Lee > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM > To: Anita Mortaloni ; athen-list@u.washington.edu > Cc: Erin Williams (CELA) > Subject: Re: [Athen] Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting > > Hi everyone, below are the list of scenarios we would like to receive feedback on. Please feel free to reply via email with feedback if you can?t attend the meeting. > > Office Online Ribbon Navigation Scenarios for Feedback > Contacts: June Lee and Jeremy Spurlin > Background > Office Online is working on a simpler ribbon to reduce the perception of complexity that our product currently has. We are leveraging this opportunity to revisit our earlier decisions around keyboard (KB) interactions and assistive technology (AT) announcements to improve our products? experience for all users. One challenge we face is that as an Office product hosted online, we sit at the intersection of several and sometimes different standards ? Office, the web, and other online Microsoft products. > > The questions this week focus on navigating to/from/within the ribbon. The ribbon consists of 2 rows referred to as the Upper Ribbon and Lower Ribbon. The upper ribbon consist of the File Menu Launcher, Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, etc.), and Peripheral Controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share). One tab may be in ?active? at a time, and that defines the contents of the lower ribbon. The Lower Ribbon consists of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains the commanding tools (i.e. Bold, Italic, Underline, etc.) related to the active tab. > > Thank you in advanced for your feedback and help! > Ctrl + F6 loop > Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses F6, Office Online uses CTRL + F6 to take you through its UI surfaces. This is due to browser limitations. How UI surfaces are bounded impacts how you arrow or tab to navigate within that surface. > When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you expect to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab? > 2. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as: > > a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface > > b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the lower ribbon to be another UI surface > > c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the peripheral controls to be another UI surface > > d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and lower ribbon to be another UI surface > > Ribbon > Upper Ribbon > Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls: > ? File > > ? Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View) > > ? Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share) > > When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you to Home or (b) stay on File? > 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you to Share or (b) stay on File? > > 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it? > > 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab? > > 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab? > > 6. Does Tab (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon? > > 7. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? > > 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? > > 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? > > Lower Ribbon > Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 group. > Does Tab (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first item in each group? > 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? > > 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does Tab and Shift-Tab (a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop? > > 4. Does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) jump you through each group, with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing? > > 5. If you selected ?A? for #4, does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop? > > 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab? > > 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? > > 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? > > Menus > Menu items only > Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then hitting the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other end? > Menu items + submenus > Does Alt within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? > 2. Does Esc within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? > > Menu items + comboboxes/spinners/checkboxes > Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? > 2. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? > > 3. Does typing a new value in a combobox or spinner and then hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it? > > Menu items + menu sections > Does Tab (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the first item in each menu section? > 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each menu item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu section? > > 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in the current menu section? > > Menu items + grid > Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed. > Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from a menu item enter G1 at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify? > 2. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 at (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, or (c) a different index, please specify? > > 3. Does entering grid G1 with Up Arrow from a menu item enter G1 (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify? > > 4. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different index, please specify? > > 5. Does entering a grid with Tab take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? > > 6. Does entering a grid with Shift + Tab take you to (a) index 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? > > 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing? > > 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it is a submenu)? > > 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had focus in the grid or (b) something else? > > 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)? > > Keytips (aka accelerator keys) > Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses ?Alt,? Office Online uses "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting ?Alt + Windows? shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of two things will happen. One, if the control?s children has keytips, focus gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control?s default function will be executed. For example, if you hit ?Alt + Windows? and then ?N,? keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon?s contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit ?NU,? focus will be on the ?Page Numbers? menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting ?R? will execute ?Remove Page Numbers? because this menu item doesn?t have any children. > Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they appear (in keytip mode)? > 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values? > > 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips? > > > Warm regards, > June > > From: Anita Mortaloni > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:50 AM > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Cc: Erin Williams (CELA) ; June Lee ; Jeremy Spurlin ; Anita Mortaloni > Subject: Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting > > Hi ATHEN, > > Sharing out the agenda for the upcoming ATHEN meeting next Wednesday 1/10 at 9am. We have a full agenda and great topics to discuss. If you have additional items that you would like to discuss, please send them prior to the meeting to add them to the agenda. > > Talk to you all next week! > Anita > > Agenda for 03/07 ATHEN-Microsoft Meeting > Update on bug status from eDAD ? Erin Williams > Update on ribbon feedback/scenarios ? June Lee > Discussion on deployment blockers, problems and issues with upgrading to the latest O365 for people using AT or working with people using AT. ? Anita Mortaloni > Possible training/meet-up in Redmond? > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greeark at uw.edu Wed Mar 7 11:16:24 2018 From: greeark at uw.edu (Krista Greear) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] Office 2016 (Mac) powerpoint accessibility Message-ID: Checking for understanding there are two ways you can fix reading order. Method 1 - Selection Pane You can move the objects up and down. Objects listed LAST will be read FIRST by a screen reader, and objects listed FIRST will be read LAST. Therefore, you want the objects to be listed bottom to top, so that they are read aloud top to bottom. Method 2 - Reorder Objects You can move the objects left to right. Objects are shown in layers, with numbers assigned to each layer. Number 1 will be read LAST, and Number 3 will be read first. Therefore, you want the objects listed left to right (number 1 is always on the far right), so that they are read aloud top to bottom. Reorder Objects and Selection Pane are connected. If I move the objects up and down in the Selection Pane, that will move the objects left to right within Reorder Objects. Is this correct? Krista Krista Greear University of Washington | Disability Resources for Students Assistant Director 011 Mary Gates Hall | Box 352808 Seattle, WA 98195-2808 | disability.uw.edu/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hadir at uw.edu Wed Mar 7 13:33:34 2018 From: hadir at uw.edu (Hadi Rangin) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting In-Reply-To: <91D094A2-6C3C-4D2E-AFB1-FE56A6137938@karlencommunications.com> References: <6088a4e6c490455689723fb44dbe3cc6@VSMAILMB02.purchase.edu> <91D094A2-6C3C-4D2E-AFB1-FE56A6137938@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Hello everyone, This conversation has been sent mistakenly to the general Athen list instead of the collaboration list by one of our members at Microsoft. We will have an in-depth discussion on this subject with Microsoft Office team on March 30th from 9-11 AM. These are design ideas and we want to make sure that we understand all the possible implications with each option. If you are interested to participate in this conversation, you need to join the Microsoft collaboration group. Drop me a note if you are interested. If you are not interested to join our Microsoft collaboration group, you can still sends your feedback but you won?t be able to participate in the in-depth conversation with Microsoft as they would require an NDA. Karen, thank you very much for your feedback; as always it has been very helpful. Cheers, Hadi From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 10:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting Comments inline prefaced by my name On Mar 7, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Fermin, German > wrote: I?m interspersing my comments within the questions. Although I must say that since I am at a helpdesk for a College and I have been supporting ribbons for a number of years now, the complexity is not ?perception?, it is indeed much harder than it needs to be. Hopefully all this feedback will help. When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you expect to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab? Feedback: I would expect for it to land on File. This brings is consistency to the experience. Always good to have one starting point less confusing to have a consistent starting point. Karen - use Ctrl + F6 to cycle through open documents in a specific Office application...for example, of I have two or more Word docs open, Ctrl + F6 cycles me forward through my open Word docs while Ctrl + Shift + F6 cycles me backward through them...has this been reassigned? 1. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as: a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the lower ribbon to be another UI surface c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the peripheral controls to be another UI surface d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and lower ribbon to be another UI surface Feedback: Closest would be A. Keep it consistent. It is too easy to get lost in the dizzying amount of differing options that could be navigated to within both Word and outlook. If it gets broken up into smaller amounts of groups and not so many subcategories, easier on the brain. Quicker to get from point A to point B rather then worrying about which ribbon I?m in and having to remember that the lower ribbon may have other options that I may or may not need. I would much rather drill down to get somewhere linearly than tabbing through 100 controls in order to get to that one thing I need to change. Karen - Not sure I understand. I expect File/Backstage, regular ribbon tabs, Add-in tabs and then Sub-Rbbons like aTable Tools or Drawing Tools with Ask Me at the end and account info and send a smile to the far right. Ribbon Upper Ribbon Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls: ? File ? Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View) ? Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share) 1. When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you to Home or (b) stay on File? Feedback: Stay on file because that is a button and not a tab. A button is to be pressed to activate a function. In this case we have File tab buttons. That?s confusing. Which is it? Karen - I would agree since Alt on its own takes you to either the Home tab or the tab you ere last on, not the File/Backstage area. 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you to Share or (b) stay on File? Feedback: I would expect for it to go to another button. Just like if I was navigating through tabs, I would expect for it to go to another tab. Karen- same as comment above. Focus should remain on File/Backstage...although when I've accidentally pressed Alt + F, it is nice to just press an arrow key to move into the tabs. 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it? Feedback: A. If I move focus to another tab, I expect focus to be there as well. I may not do anything within that tab but if I?m focused in a tab, I want to be able to make changes in that now focus and active tab. Karen - I can see both scenarios...if I'm moving to fast and miss the Ribbon I want, it is nice to just go back without backing out of a Ribbon...but if I want to work more efficiently, I'd want to move directly into the tool...but my final answer is that it not activate the Ribbon. I can use the specific keyboard command to move to and activate the Ribbon. I see using the arrows as more of an exploratory tool or something for me to jog my memory for what the name of a Ribbon is that I don't often use. That is how I use Alt plus Arrows. 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab? Feedback: If I hit left arrow, I expect to cycle through the different tabs within that level. Just like if I went with the right arrow. Hmmm, I would say yes here but it negates my previous answered about File/Backstage...so...I think that File/backstage should be thought of as a vertical Ribbon instead of as a button which would allow for more fluid navigation along the top tabs and we wouldn't get stuck on a "File" button. Are we using the term "File button" based on the old Office button? In thinking about it, I already have kind of thought of it as a vertical Ribbon with groups of tools 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab? Feedback: Same as above. I expect to go to the next tab. Tell me still appears to be a keyboard trap for me. Karen - I expect to go to the next tab or item. I use the arrow keys to find a specific tab/tool or to see if anything new has been added, skipping over things is confusing and doesn't really give me the ability to visualize the way the UI is laid out. Will send more later...next Conference session is about to start. 6. Does Tab (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon? Feedback: Currently it seems like it does a mixture of all three. I would align closest to B. If I use tab, I expect to hit the controls that are in the tab I selected/activated. 7. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? Feedback: Shift+tab should take you through the reverse order of the tab you are in within the same level. If this is a different experience going backwards, that?s just confusing. If I start having different experiences depending on which direction I?m going in, that makes it conditional and leaving it up to the user to remember. Also, if the experiences changes like that, I would imagine that it would be also hard to update since it?s conditional on the programming side. I?m others can speak to this. 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? Feedback: To keep it consistent, tab would go to the first item associated with that tab header. So C in this case. 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? Feedback: To keep it consistent, same as above. If you are on tab headers and you hit up arrow, it should do nothing. Lower Ribbon Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 group. 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first item in each group? Feedback: Take you through each item in each group. Whether they are groups or tabs, the experience should remain the same. 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? Feedback: Take you through items in reverse order. The rest of the choices add layers of confusion. 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does Tab and Shift-Tab (a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop? Feedback: It should loop within the chosen tab. 4. Does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) jump you through each group, with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing? Feedback: I would choose A but what is exactly is the difference between a group from a tab? Is the experience suppose to be different? Is control+left or right arrow suppose to replace control+tab and shift tab? 5. If you selected ?A? for #4, does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop? Feedback: If control+left or right arrow for navigating through groups, it should loop through the groups, not the items within the group. That should be reserved for tabbing. 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab? Feedback: If I am at the end of the items and I tab, I expect to loop within that section. Taking to the next tab is only going to confuse me. I choose C. 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? Feedback: Nothing on both of these. Although I think this is worth talking through. Problem with this is I never remember which key I am suppose to use for navigating or activating things. Menus Menu items only 1. Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then hitting the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other end? Feedback: Loop to the other end. I always expect that and if I don?t get that I get confused and start second guessing thinking that perhaps I missed something. Menu items + submenus 1. Does Alt within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? Feedback: Dismiss the whole chain. I guess I?m so use to hitting alt to get to a menu or out of them. To me it has always been like a toggle. Alt to activate the menu and alt to be out of that menu. 2. Does Esc within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? Feedback: Escapes at the moment seems to go back one level at a time in some cases. If it did that consistently, it would make sense. Menu items + combo boxes/spinners/checkboxes 1. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combo box, spinner, or checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? Feedback: It would really depend on what actions were available. If only one action can be performed within that combo box I would expect for it to be closed. I would closest align with A. Although, I want focus to remain just in case I want to confirm my changes. 2. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combo box, spinner, or checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? Feedback: Same as above. IS this the same question or am I missing something? 3. Does typing a new value in a combo box or spinner and then hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it? Feedback: Strongly align with A. Resetting it after tabbing could only be compared to a nightmare. If a screen reader can only focus on one thing at a time, resetting the values would only add another layer of complexity. If I?m following instructions from a web page and I have cycle through the windows after following the instructions? Resetting, reading, resetting, reading etc. Menu items + menu sections 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the first item in each menu section? Feedback: Traditionally, if I?m traveling through menu?s, I am using arrow keys and not tabbing through them. If I start tabbing, in my mind it is no longer a menu but a tab. 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each menu item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu section? Same as above. If I am tabbing, it?s not a menu. 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in the current menu section? Loop in the current menu section. Menu items + grid Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed. 1. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from a menu item enter G1 at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify? Feedback: Like most things, I would like consistency and one starting point. If I enter a grid, I expect to start from the same place giving the option of moving to where I need to be, go or change within that grid menu or tab. So index 0,0 2. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 at (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, or (c) a different index, please specify? Feedback: I would keep this consistent. If I am in a new grid, I would like to start from the same position every time. That gives me the option to navigate where I need to go. Less of a burden on the brain. 3. 1Does entering grid G1 with Up Arrow from a menu item enter G1 (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify? Feedback: This is counter intuitive. Do I go up to the bottom of a grid? Using the down arrow key feels more like a logical direction to me to go into something. Would I go up the stairs to go down into a room? At least not in one fluid motion. Perhaps others miles may vary in this experience. 4. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different index, please specify? Feedback: I would like consistency. I would still want to start from the same spot no matter which grid I was going into or coming from. Although I can see why you may want to start where you left off if you are dealing with going in and out of multiple grids. 5. Does entering a grid with Tab take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? Feedback: So is this a menu or a grid? If tab takes you to a grid, index 0,0. Consistent starting point. 6. Does entering a grid with Shift + Tab take you to (a) index 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? Feedback: Same as above. I would want the same entry point regardless which way I get to it. 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing? Feedback: I lean toward staying within the same row. I want the option to move down to the next row when I need to. 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it is a submenu)? Feedback: We need to establish behaviors rather than doing all of the above. A grid isn?t a menu so shouldn?t behave as such. If there is a submenu on an item in a grid, I would expect to back out of the submenu with left arrow or go deeper into it with right arrow. Once I am back in the grid and the menu is collapsed, arrows should take me to the next grid point. So potentially collapse when using left arrow. If using right arrow, it should go to next grid point if back in the grid or submenu?s if within submenu?s. 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had focus in the grid or (b) something else? Feedback: In this instant because it?s a submenu, focus should return back to the grid point where that submenu was located. This should remain consistent so using the opposite arrow key will depend on where you are and what you are interacting with at a time. If within a submenu, it should behave like one. Arrowing up and down through a menu, right arrow to open a submenu like a tree branch, left arrow to close that tree branch. Escape to close the menu and return you back to the grid point where you started. 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)? Feedback: To keep it consistent I like the idea of opening the menu or submenu with one keystroke whether it be enter or the spacebar and traversing through menu and submenus like I said above. So it should collapse when hitting left arrow only when hitting the left most boundary. Closing menus and submenu?s them with escape which is totally different then collapsing. Keytips (aka accelerator keys) Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses ?Alt,? Office Online uses "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting ?Alt + Windows? shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of two things will happen. One, if the control?s children has keytips, focus gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control?s default function will be executed. For example, if you hit ?Alt + Windows? and then ?N,? keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon?s contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit ?NU,? focus will be on the ?Page Numbers? menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting ?R? will execute ?Remove Page Numbers? because this menu item doesn?t have any children. 1. Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they appear (in keytip mode)? Feedback: Yes. Anything that will help me from point a to point B faster is ideal. 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values? Feedback: It use to be which ever was the highlighted letter was the accelerator key. That should remain consistent and when changed it should be documented. Using Jaws I used to be able to hit numpad plus the number 5 to query what was highlighted 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips? Feedback: I would like to be able to query as needed, not to be told all the time. We as screen reader users already have enough chatter. Thank you and if there?s something that I wasn?t clear about, please ask. German From: athen-list > On Behalf Of June Lee Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM To: Anita Mortaloni >; athen-list@u.washington.edu Cc: Erin Williams (CELA) > Subject: Re: [Athen] Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting Hi everyone, below are the list of scenarios we would like to receive feedback on. Please feel free to reply via email with feedback if you can?t attend the meeting. Office Online Ribbon Navigation Scenarios for Feedback Contacts: June Lee > and Jeremy Spurlin > Background Office Online is working on a simpler ribbon to reduce the perception of complexity that our product currently has. We are leveraging this opportunity to revisit our earlier decisions around keyboard (KB) interactions and assistive technology (AT) announcements to improve our products? experience for all users. One challenge we face is that as an Office product hosted online, we sit at the intersection of several and sometimes different standards ? Office, the web, and other online Microsoft products. The questions this week focus on navigating to/from/within the ribbon. The ribbon consists of 2 rows referred to as the Upper Ribbon and Lower Ribbon. The upper ribbon consist of the File Menu Launcher, Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, etc.), and Peripheral Controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share). One tab may be in ?active? at a time, and that defines the contents of the lower ribbon. The Lower Ribbon consists of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains the commanding tools (i.e. Bold, Italic, Underline, etc.) related to the active tab. Thank you in advanced for your feedback and help! Ctrl + F6 loop Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses F6, Office Online uses CTRL + F6 to take you through its UI surfaces. This is due to browser limitations. How UI surfaces are bounded impacts how you arrow or tab to navigate within that surface. 1. When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you expect to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab? 2. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as: a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the lower ribbon to be another UI surface c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the peripheral controls to be another UI surface d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and lower ribbon to be another UI surface Ribbon Upper Ribbon Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls: ? File ? Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View) ? Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share) 1. When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you to Home or (b) stay on File? 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you to Share or (b) stay on File? 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it? 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab? 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab? 6. Does Tab (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon? 7. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? Lower Ribbon Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 group. 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first item in each group? 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does Tab and Shift-Tab (a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop? 4. Does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) jump you through each group, with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing? 5. If you selected ?A? for #4, does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop? 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab? 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? Menus Menu items only 1. Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then hitting the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other end? Menu items + submenus 1. Does Alt within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? 2. Does Esc within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? Menu items + comboboxes/spinners/checkboxes 1. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? 2. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? 3. Does typing a new value in a combobox or spinner and then hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it? Menu items + menu sections 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the first item in each menu section? 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each menu item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu section? 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in the current menu section? Menu items + grid Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed. 1. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from a menu item enter G1 at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify? 2. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 at (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, or (c) a different index, please specify? 3. Does entering grid G1 with Up Arrow from a menu item enter G1 (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify? 4. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different index, please specify? 5. Does entering a grid with Tab take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? 6. Does entering a grid with Shift + Tab take you to (a) index 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing? 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it is a submenu)? 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had focus in the grid or (b) something else? 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)? Keytips (aka accelerator keys) Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses ?Alt,? Office Online uses "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting ?Alt + Windows? shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of two things will happen. One, if the control?s children has keytips, focus gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control?s default function will be executed. For example, if you hit ?Alt + Windows? and then ?N,? keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon?s contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit ?NU,? focus will be on the ?Page Numbers? menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting ?R? will execute ?Remove Page Numbers? because this menu item doesn?t have any children. 1. Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they appear (in keytip mode)? 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values? 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips? Warm regards, June From: Anita Mortaloni Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:50 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Cc: Erin Williams (CELA) >; June Lee >; Jeremy Spurlin >; Anita Mortaloni > Subject: Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting Hi ATHEN, Sharing out the agenda for the upcoming ATHEN meeting next Wednesday 1/10 at 9am. We have a full agenda and great topics to discuss. If you have additional items that you would like to discuss, please send them prior to the meeting to add them to the agenda. Talk to you all next week! Anita Agenda for 03/07 ATHEN-Microsoft Meeting 1. Update on bug status from eDAD ? Erin Williams 2. Update on ribbon feedback/scenarios ? June Lee 3. Discussion on deployment blockers, problems and issues with upgrading to the latest O365 for people using AT or working with people using AT. ? Anita Mortaloni 4. Possible training/meet-up in Redmond? _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Wed Mar 7 16:04:27 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <6088a4e6c490455689723fb44dbe3cc6@VSMAILMB02.purchase.edu> <91D094A2-6C3C-4D2E-AFB1-FE56A6137938@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Hello Hadi, I am unable to join at that time but I would be interested in hearing about the collaboration or at least as much as you can share without violating any NDAs. Will you be able to share how the meeting went with this list? Thank you! On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 4:33 PM, Hadi Rangin wrote: > Hello everyone, > > > > This conversation has been sent mistakenly to the general Athen list > instead of the collaboration list by one of our members at Microsoft. > > > > We will have an in-depth discussion on this subject with Microsoft Office > team on March 30th from 9-11 AM. These are design ideas and we want to > make sure that we understand all the possible implications with each option. > > If you are interested to participate in this conversation, you need to > join the Microsoft collaboration group. Drop me a note if you are > interested. > > If you are not interested to join our Microsoft collaboration group, you > can still sends your feedback but you won?t be able to participate in the > in-depth conversation with Microsoft as they would require an NDA. > > > > Karen, thank you very much for your feedback; as always it has been very > helpful. > > > > Cheers, > > Hadi > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Karlen Communications > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2018 10:16 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting > > > > Comments inline prefaced by my name > > > On Mar 7, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Fermin, German > wrote: > > I?m interspersing my comments within the questions. Although I must say > that since I am at a helpdesk for a College and I have been supporting > ribbons for a number of years now, the complexity is not ?perception?, it > is indeed much harder than it needs to be. Hopefully all this feedback will > help. > > > > When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you expect > to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab? > > Feedback: > > I would expect for it to land on File. This brings is consistency to the > experience. Always good to have one starting point less confusing to have > a consistent starting point. > > > > Karen - use Ctrl + F6 to cycle through open documents in a specific > Office application...for example, of I have two or more Word docs open, > Ctrl + F6 cycles me forward through my open Word docs while Ctrl + Shift + > F6 cycles me backward through them...has this been reassigned? > > > > 1. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as: > > a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI > surface > > b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the > lower ribbon to be another UI surface > > c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the > peripheral controls to be another UI surface > > d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and > lower ribbon to be another UI surface > > Feedback: > > Closest would be A. Keep it consistent. It is too easy to get lost in the > dizzying amount of differing options that could be navigated to within both > Word and outlook. If it gets broken up into smaller amounts of groups and > not so many subcategories, easier on the brain. Quicker to get from point A > to point B rather then worrying about which ribbon I?m in and having to > remember that the lower ribbon may have other options that I may or may not > need. I would much rather drill down to get somewhere linearly than tabbing > through 100 controls in order to get to that one thing I need to change. > Karen - Not sure I understand. I expect File/Backstage, regular ribbon > tabs, Add-in tabs and then Sub-Rbbons like aTable Tools or Drawing Tools > with Ask Me at the end and account info and send a smile to the far right. > Ribbon Upper Ribbon > > Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls: > > ? File > > ? Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View) > > ? Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share) > > 1. When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you > to Home or (b) stay on File? > > Feedback: > > Stay on file because that is a button and not a tab. A button is to be > pressed to activate a function. In this case we have File tab buttons. > That?s confusing. Which is it? > > > > Karen - I would agree since Alt on its own takes you to either the Home > tab or the tab you ere last on, not the File/Backstage area. > > > > 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you > to Share or (b) stay on File? > > Feedback: > > I would expect for it to go to another button. Just like if I was > navigating through tabs, I would expect for it to go to another tab. > > > > Karen- same as comment above. Focus should remain on > File/Backstage...although when I've accidentally pressed Alt + F, it is > nice to just press an arrow key to move into the tabs. > > > > 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the > tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it? > > Feedback: > > A. If I move focus to another tab, I expect focus to be there as well. I > may not do anything within that tab but if I?m focused in a tab, I want to > be able to make changes in that now focus and active tab. > > > > Karen - I can see both scenarios...if I'm moving to fast and miss the > Ribbon I want, it is nice to just go back without backing out of a > Ribbon...but if I want to work more efficiently, I'd want to move directly > into the tool...but my final answer is that it not activate the Ribbon. I > can use the specific keyboard command to move to and activate the Ribbon. I > see using the arrows as more of an exploratory tool or something for me to > jog my memory for what the name of a Ribbon is that I don't often use. That > is how I use Alt plus Arrows. > > > > 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) > File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab? > > Feedback: > > If I hit left arrow, I expect to cycle through the different tabs within > that level. Just like if I went with the right arrow. > > > > Hmmm, I would say yes here but it negates my previous answered about > File/Backstage...so...I think that File/backstage should be thought of as a > vertical Ribbon instead of as a button which would allow for more fluid > navigation along the top tabs and we wouldn't get stuck on a "File" button. > Are we using the term "File button" based on the old Office button? In > thinking about it, I already have kind of thought of it as a vertical > Ribbon with groups of tools > > > > 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) > Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab? > > Feedback: > > Same as above. I expect to go to the next tab. Tell me still appears to be > a keyboard trap for me. > > > > Karen - I expect to go to the next tab or item. I use the arrow keys to > find a specific tab/tool or to see if anything new has been added, skipping > over things is confusing and doesn't really give me the ability to > visualize the way the UI is laid out. > > > > Will send more later...next Conference session is about to start. > > > > 6. Does *Tab* (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, > (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral > controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon? > > Feedback: > > Currently it seems like it does a mixture of all three. I would align > closest to B. If I use tab, I expect to hit the controls that are in the > tab I selected/activated. > > > > 7. Does *Shift + Tab* (a) take you through each item in reverse > order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral > controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited > item in each group? > > Feedback: > > Shift+tab should take you through the reverse order of the tab you are in > within the same level. If this is a different experience going backwards, > that?s just confusing. If I start having different experiences depending on > which direction I?m going in, that makes it conditional and leaving it up > to the user to remember. Also, if the experiences changes like that, I > would imagine that it would be also hard to update since it?s conditional > on the programming side. I?m others can speak to this. > > > > 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to > the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below > the tab, or (c) do nothing? > > Feedback: > > To keep it consistent, tab would go to the first item associated with that > tab header. So C in this case. > > > > 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the > first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the > tab, or (c) do nothing? > > Feedback: > > To keep it consistent, same as above. If you are on tab headers and you > hit up arrow, it should do nothing. > > > Lower Ribbon > > Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group > contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 > group. > > 1. Does *Tab* (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first > item in each group? > > Feedback: > > Take you through each item in each group. Whether they are groups or tabs, > the experience should remain the same. > > > > 2. Does *Shift + Tab* (a) take you through each item in reverse > order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each > group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? > > Feedback: > > Take you through items in reverse order. The rest of the choices add > layers of confusion. > > > > 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does *Tab* and* > Shift-Tab *(a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the > lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop? > > Feedback: > > It should loop within the chosen tab. > > > > 4. Does *CTRL + left/right arrow* (a) jump you through each group, > with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing? > > Feedback: > > I would choose A but what is exactly is the difference between > > a group from a tab? Is the experience suppose to be different? Is > control+left or right arrow suppose to replace control+tab and shift tab? > > > > 5. If you selected ?A? for #4, does * CTRL + left/right arrow* (a) > loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop? > > Feedback: > > If control+left or right arrow for navigating through groups, it should > loop through the groups, not the items within the group. That should be > reserved for tabbing. > > > > 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the > lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow > left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop > you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab? > > Feedback: > > If I am at the end of the items and I tab, I expect to loop within that > section. Taking to the next tab is only going to confuse me. I choose C. > > > > 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) > nothing? > > 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) > nothing? > > Feedback: > > Nothing on both of these. Although I think this is worth talking through. > Problem with this is I never remember which key I am suppose to use for > navigating or activating things. > > > Menus Menu items only > > 1. Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then > hitting the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other > end? > > Feedback: > > Loop to the other end. I always expect that and if I don?t get that I get > confused and start second guessing thinking that perhaps I missed something. > > > Menu items + submenus > > 1. Does *Alt* within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) > only one level at a time? > > Feedback: > > Dismiss the whole chain. I guess I?m so use to hitting alt to get to a > menu or out of them. To me it has always been like a toggle. Alt to > activate the menu and alt to be out of that menu. > > > > 2. Does *Esc *within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) > only one level at a time? > > Feedback: > > Escapes at the moment seems to go back one level at a time in some cases. > If it did that consistently, it would make sense. > > > Menu items + combo boxes/spinners/checkboxes > > 1. Does hitting *Enter* when focus is on a combo box, spinner, or > checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus > still on the control? > > Feedback: > > It would really depend on what actions were available. If only one action > can be performed within that combo box I would expect for it to be closed. > I would closest align with A. Although, I want focus to remain just in case > I want to confirm my changes. > > > > 2. Does hitting *Enter* when focus is on a combo box, spinner, or > checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with > focus still on the control? > > Feedback: > > Same as above. IS this the same question or am I missing something? > > > > 3. Does typing a new value in a combo box or spinner and then > hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it? > > Feedback: > > Strongly align with A. Resetting it after tabbing could only be compared > to a nightmare. If a screen reader can only focus on one thing at a time, > resetting the values would only add another layer of complexity. If I?m > following instructions from a web page and I have cycle through the windows > after following the instructions? Resetting, reading, resetting, reading > etc. > > > Menu items + menu sections > > 1. Does *Tab* (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the > first item in each menu section? > > Feedback: > > Traditionally, if I?m traveling through menu?s, I am using arrow keys and > not tabbing through them. If I start tabbing, in my mind it is no longer a > menu but a tab. > > > > 2. Does *Shift + Tab* (a) take you through each menu item in > reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last > item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu > section? > > Same as above. If I am tabbing, it?s not a menu. > > > > 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) > stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in > the current menu section? > > Loop in the current menu section. > > > Menu items + grid > > Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed. > > 1. Does entering grid G1 with *Down Arrow* from a menu item enter > G1 at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify? > > Feedback: > > Like most things, I would like consistency and one starting point. If I > enter a grid, I expect to start from the same place giving the option of > moving to where I need to be, go or change within that grid menu or tab. So > index 0,0 > > > > 2. Does entering grid G1 with *Down Arrow* from grid G2 enter G1 at > (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, > or (c) a different index, please specify? > > Feedback: > > I would keep this consistent. If I am in a new grid, I would like to start > from the same position every time. That gives me the option to navigate > where I need to go. Less of a burden on the brain. > > > > 3. 1Does entering grid G1 with *Up Arrow* from a menu item enter G1 > (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify? > > Feedback: > > This is counter intuitive. Do I go up to the bottom of a grid? Using the > down arrow key feels more like a logical direction to me to go into > something. Would I go up the stairs to go down into a room? At least not in > one fluid motion. Perhaps others miles may vary in this experience. > > > > 4. Does entering grid G1 with *Down Arrow* from grid G2 enter G1 > (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column > index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different > index, please specify? > > Feedback: > > I would like consistency. I would still want to start from the same spot > no matter which grid I was going into or coming from. Although I can see > why you may want to start where you left off if you are dealing with going > in and out of multiple grids. > > > > 5. Does entering a grid with *Tab* take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) > your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first > time in the grid since expanding this menu)? > > Feedback: > > So is this a menu or a grid? If tab takes you to a grid, index 0,0. > Consistent starting point. > > > > 6. Does entering a grid with *Shift + Tab* take you to (a) index > 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last > time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since > expanding this menu)? > > Feedback: > > Same as above. I would want the same entry point regardless which way I > get to it. > > > > 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing > the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) > wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing? > > Feedback: > > I lean toward staying within the same row. I want the option to move down > to the next row when I need to. > > > > 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you > press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the > previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do > you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed > to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it > is a submenu)? > > Feedback: > > We need to establish behaviors rather than doing all of the above. A grid > isn?t a menu so shouldn?t behave as such. If there is a submenu on an item > in a grid, I would expect to back out of the submenu with left arrow or go > deeper into it with right arrow. Once I am back in the grid and the menu is > collapsed, arrows should take me to the next grid point. So potentially > collapse when using left arrow. If using right arrow, it should go to next > grid point if back in the grid or submenu?s if within submenu?s. > > > > 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the > opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had > focus in the grid or (b) something else? > > Feedback: > > In this instant because it?s a submenu, focus should return back to the > grid point where that submenu was located. This should remain consistent so > using the opposite arrow key will depend on where you are and what you are > interacting with at a time. If within a submenu, it should behave like one. > Arrowing up and down through a menu, right arrow to open a submenu like a > tree branch, left arrow to close that tree branch. Escape to close the menu > and return you back to the grid point where you started. > > > > 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu > items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time > you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when > you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)? > > Feedback: > > To keep it consistent I like the idea of opening the menu or submenu with > one keystroke whether it be enter or the spacebar and traversing through > menu and submenus like I said above. So it should collapse when hitting > left arrow only when hitting the left most boundary. Closing menus and > submenu?s them with escape which is totally different then collapsing. > > > Keytips (aka accelerator keys) > > Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses ?Alt,? Office Online uses > "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting > ?Alt + Windows? shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on > the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of > two things will happen. One, if the control?s children has keytips, focus > gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or > two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control?s > default function will be executed. For example, if you hit ?Alt + Windows? > and then ?N,? keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon?s > contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the > lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit ?NU,? focus will be on the > ?Page Numbers? menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be > visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting ?R? will execute ?Remove Page > Numbers? because this menu item doesn?t have any children. > > 1. Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they > appear (in keytip mode)? > > Feedback: > > Yes. Anything that will help me from point a to point B faster is ideal. > > > > 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best > place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values? > > Feedback: > > It use to be which ever was the highlighted letter was the accelerator > key. That should remain consistent and when changed it should be > documented. Using Jaws I used to be able to hit numpad plus the number 5 to > query what was highlighted > > 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips? > > Feedback: > > I would like to be able to query as needed, not to be told all the time. > We as screen reader users already have enough chatter. > > > > Thank you and if there?s something that I wasn?t clear about, please ask. > > > > German > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *June Lee > *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM > *To:* Anita Mortaloni ; athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Cc:* Erin Williams (CELA) > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting > > > > Hi everyone, below are the list of scenarios we would like to receive > feedback on. Please feel free to reply via email with feedback if you can?t > attend the meeting. > > > > Office Online Ribbon Navigation Scenarios for Feedback > > Contacts: June Lee and Jeremy Spurlin < > jspurlin@microsoft.com> > Background > > Office Online is working on a simpler ribbon to reduce the perception of > complexity that our product currently has. We are leveraging this > opportunity to revisit our earlier decisions around keyboard (KB) > interactions and assistive technology (AT) announcements to improve our > products? experience for all users. One challenge we face is that as an > Office product hosted online, we sit at the intersection of several and > sometimes different standards ? Office, the web, and other online Microsoft > products. > > > > The questions this week focus on navigating to/from/within the ribbon. The > ribbon consists of 2 rows referred to as the Upper Ribbon and Lower Ribbon. > The upper ribbon consist of the File Menu Launcher, Tabs (i.e. Home, > Insert, Layout, etc.), and Peripheral Controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, > and Share). One tab may be in ?active? at a time, and that defines the > contents of the lower ribbon. The Lower Ribbon consists of groups (aka > chunks) and each group contains the commanding tools (i.e. Bold, Italic, > Underline, etc.) related to the active tab. > > > > Thank you in advanced for your feedback and help! > Ctrl + F6 loop > > Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses F6, Office Online uses CTRL + > F6 to take you through its UI surfaces. This is due to browser limitations. > How UI surfaces are bounded impacts how you arrow or tab to navigate within > that surface. > > 1. When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you > expect to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab? > > 2. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as: > > a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI > surface > > b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the > lower ribbon to be another UI surface > > c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the > peripheral controls to be another UI surface > > d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and > lower ribbon to be another UI surface > Ribbon Upper Ribbon > > Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls: > > ? File > > ? Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View) > > ? Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share) > > 1. When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you to > Home or (b) stay on File? > > 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you > to Share or (b) stay on File? > > 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the > tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it? > > 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) > File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab? > > 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) > Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab? > > 6. Does *Tab* (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, > (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral > controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon? > > 7. Does *Shift + Tab* (a) take you through each item in reverse > order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral > controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited > item in each group? > > 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to > the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below > the tab, or (c) do nothing? > > 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the > first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the > tab, or (c) do nothing? > Lower Ribbon > > Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group > contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 > group. > > 1. Does *Tab* (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first item > in each group? > > 2. Does *Shift + Tab* (a) take you through each item in reverse > order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each > group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? > > 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does *Tab* and* > Shift-Tab *(a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the > lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop? > > 4. Does *CTRL + left/right arrow* (a) jump you through each group, > with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing? > > 5. If you selected ?A? for #4, does * CTRL + left/right arrow* (a) > loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop? > > 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the > lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow > left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop > you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab? > > 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) > nothing? > > 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) > nothing? > Menus Menu items only > > 1. Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then hitting > the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other end? > > Menu items + submenus > > 1. Does *Alt* within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) > only one level at a time? > > 2. Does *Esc *within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) > only one level at a time? > Menu items + comboboxes/spinners/checkboxes > > 1. Does hitting *Enter* when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or > checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus > still on the control? > > 2. Does hitting *Enter* when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or > checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with > focus still on the control? > > 3. Does typing a new value in a combobox or spinner and then > hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it? > Menu items + menu sections > > 1. Does *Tab* (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the first > item in each menu section? > > 2. Does *Shift + Tab* (a) take you through each menu item in > reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last > item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu > section? > > 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) > stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in > the current menu section? > Menu items + grid > > Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed. > > 1. Does entering grid G1 with *Down Arrow* from a menu item enter G1 > at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify? > > 2. Does entering grid G1 with *Down Arrow* from grid G2 enter G1 at > (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, > or (c) a different index, please specify? > > 3. Does entering grid G1 with *Up Arrow* from a menu item enter G1 > (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify? > > 4. Does entering grid G1 with *Down Arrow* from grid G2 enter G1 > (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column > index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different > index, please specify? > > 5. Does entering a grid with *Tab* take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) > your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first > time in the grid since expanding this menu)? > > 6. Does entering a grid with *Shift + Tab* take you to (a) index > 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last > time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since > expanding this menu)? > > 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing > the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) > wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing? > > 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you > press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the > previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do > you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed > to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it > is a submenu)? > > 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the > opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had > focus in the grid or (b) something else? > > 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu > items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time > you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when > you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)? > Keytips (aka accelerator keys) > > Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses ?Alt,? Office Online uses > "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting > ?Alt + Windows? shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on > the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of > two things will happen. One, if the control?s children has keytips, focus > gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or > two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control?s > default function will be executed. For example, if you hit ?Alt + Windows? > and then ?N,? keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon?s > contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the > lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit ?NU,? focus will be on the > ?Page Numbers? menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be > visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting ?R? will execute ?Remove Page > Numbers? because this menu item doesn?t have any children. > > 1. Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they > appear (in keytip mode)? > > 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best > place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values? > > 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips? > > > > Warm regards, > > June > > > > *From:* Anita Mortaloni > *Sent:* Friday, March 2, 2018 9:50 AM > *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Cc:* Erin Williams (CELA) ; June Lee < > junele@microsoft.com>; Jeremy Spurlin ; Anita > Mortaloni > *Subject:* Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting > > > > Hi ATHEN, > > > > Sharing out the agenda for the upcoming ATHEN meeting next Wednesday 1/10 > at 9am. We have a full agenda and great topics to discuss. If you have > additional items that you would like to discuss, please send them prior to > the meeting to add them to the agenda. > > > > Talk to you all next week! > Anita > > > Agenda for 03/07 ATHEN-Microsoft Meeting > > 1. Update on bug status from eDAD ? Erin Williams > 2. Update on ribbon feedback/scenarios ? June Lee > 3. Discussion on deployment blockers, problems and issues with > upgrading to the latest O365 for people using AT or working with people > using AT. ? Anita Mortaloni > 4. Possible training/meet-up in Redmond? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From lynngitlow at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 06:02:35 2018 From: lynngitlow at gmail.com (Lynn Gitlow) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 146, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86D73870-797B-44D7-8CA0-7E24EA6E0064@gmail.com> This is a complicated question with no one size fits all answer but here is a great resource for senior technology use http://www.seniornet.org/ Lynn Gitlow, PhD., OTR/L, ATP Sent from an unplugged toaster > On Mar 7, 2018, at 3:00 PM, athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu wrote: > > Send athen-list mailing list submissions to > athen-list@u.washington.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-list-request@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-list-owner@mailman13.u.washington.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. technology for seniors (Tess McMillan) > 2. Re: technology for seniors (Andrea L. Dietrich) > 3. Re: technology for seniors (Jeffrey Dell) > 4. Re: technology for seniors (Shelley Haven) > 5. Volunteers needed! (Robert Beach) > 6. Re: Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting (Fermin, German) > 7. Survey Study: Digital Accessibility in Higher Education - > Participation Requested! (Deaton, Phillip) > 8. Re: The Ribbon in Microsoft Word (Robert Spangler) > 9. Re: Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting > (Karlen Communications) > 10. Office 2016 (Mac) powerpoint accessibility (Krista Greear) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 20:22:32 +0000 > From: Tess McMillan > To: "athen-list@u.washington.edu" > Subject: [Athen] technology for seniors > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > I realize this may be off-topic and possibly a duplicate query for all of > you as I cross-posted to ITAccess/Educause. > > Can you recommend technologies that seniors can use to stay in contact? > > For example, if there might be vision issues (such as reduced visual field > due to macular degeneration) combined with some memory issues ? making > navigating a complex email client difficult? > > Or, best practices for cell phones or text messaging for clumsy fingers? > > Thank you! > > Tess > > > Tess McMillan > Web site Manager, Student Programs, Bellevue College > bellevuecollege.edu/stupro and > bellevuecollege.edu/PALS > (425) 564-5084 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 21:31:10 +0000 > From: "Andrea L. Dietrich" > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] technology for seniors > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I know there's a phone company targeted at seniors, https://www.greatcall.com/. They make simple phones with large text and accessibility features, from what I understand. I don't know much about them, but maybe they would be a helpful place to look. > > -Andi :) > > -------------------------- > Andrea Dietrich > Cornell University > Student Disability Services > Cornell Health, Level 5 > 110 Ho Plaza > Ithaca, NY 14853 > http://sds.cornell.edu > > Tel. 607.254.4545 > Fax. 607.255.1562 > > Office Hours: > Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM > Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Tess McMillan > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 3:23 PM > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] technology for seniors > > I realize this may be off-topic and possibly a duplicate query for all of you as I cross-posted to ITAccess/Educause. > > Can you recommend technologies that seniors can use to stay in contact? > > For example, if there might be vision issues (such as reduced visual field due to macular degeneration) combined with some memory issues < making navigating a complex email client difficult? > > Or, best practices for cell phones or text messaging for clumsy fingers? > > Thank you! > > Tess > > > Tess McMillan > Web site Manager, Student Programs, Bellevue College > bellevuecollege.edu/stupro and > bellevuecollege.edu/PALS > (425) 564-5084 > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 16:46:42 -0500 > From: Jeffrey Dell > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] technology for seniors > Message-ID: <66188A60-01FF-4484-AB4B-EDC99EC77D44@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > This is a solution I saw along time ago. Sounds like it might do some of what you?re looking for. > Guide by Dolphin > https://yourdolphin.com/guide > Jeff > > Sent from my iPhone. please excuse errors from using Apple's dictation feature. > >> On Mar 6, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Tess McMillan wrote: >> >> I realize this may be off-topic and possibly a duplicate query for all of >> you as I cross-posted to ITAccess/Educause. >> >> Can you recommend technologies that seniors can use to stay in contact? >> >> For example, if there might be vision issues (such as reduced visual field >> due to macular degeneration) combined with some memory issues ? making >> navigating a complex email client difficult? >> >> Or, best practices for cell phones or text messaging for clumsy fingers? >> >> Thank you! >> >> Tess >> >> >> Tess McMillan >> Web site Manager, Student Programs, Bellevue College >> bellevuecollege.edu/stupro and >> bellevuecollege.edu/PALS >> (425) 564-5084 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 15:06:46 -0700 > From: Shelley Haven > To: ATHEN > Subject: Re: [Athen] technology for seniors > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > For seniors who need a simplified computer interface, simplified interface for commonly-used software (email, contacts, audio/video chat, photos, news, games, etc.), and alternative access (touchscreen, mouse alternative, etc.), consider these options: > > https://www.redstampmail.com > http://www.eldy.eu > http://pawpawmail.com > http://www.pointerware.com > https://seeyoulink.com > > I've tried all but the last one with senior clients ? they have their various pros and cons. Most have a ?monitor? mode where another adult can remotely keep track of the senior?s activities and even provide assistance. > > I?ve also used a MacBook in Simple Finder mode with a senior client, and added a remote assistance app (Join.Me, Zoom, etc.) so that I could assist and train their caregivers as needed. > > Some companies have specifically adapted computers for easier use by seniors ? for example: > https://www.mywowcomputer.com > http://www.aplusseniorcomputer.com/touch%20screen.htm > I?m sure there are others out there, too, as well as companies who have adapted Android tablets, etc. > > Hope this helps, > Shelley > > _____________________________ > Shelley Haven ATP, RET > Assistive Technology Consultant > www.TechPotential.net > > > >> On Mar 6, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Tess McMillan wrote: >> >> I realize this may be off-topic and possibly a duplicate query for all of >> you as I cross-posted to ITAccess/Educause. >> >> Can you recommend technologies that seniors can use to stay in contact? >> >> For example, if there might be vision issues (such as reduced visual field >> due to macular degeneration) combined with some memory issues ? making >> navigating a complex email client difficult? >> >> Or, best practices for cell phones or text messaging for clumsy fingers? >> >> Thank you! >> >> Tess >> >> >> Tess McMillan >> Web site Manager, Student Programs, Bellevue College >> bellevuecollege.edu/stupro and >> bellevuecollege.edu/PALS >> (425) 564-5084 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 14:07:26 +0000 > From: Robert Beach > To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network > (athen-list@u.washington.edu)" > Subject: [Athen] Volunteers needed! > Message-ID: > <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E25E98F@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello ATHEN members, > > Once again ATHEN is working on the Teresa Haven Scholarship for Students with Disabilities. We will need folks to review applications and make recommendations for the students who apply. This process will take place from April 9 through April 20. > > I have a couple of folks who signed up at the ATHEN meeting in November. If you are an ATHEN member in good standing, would have time and could volunteer to help with this, please send me an email at rbeach@kckcc.edu so I can get your name on the list. Feel free to contact me with any questions. > > Also, don't forget to nominate your outstanding students! > > Thank you for your willingness to assist. > > > Robert Lee Beach > Assistive Technology Specialist > Kansas City Kansas Community College > 7250 State Avenue > Kansas City, KS 66112 > Phone: 913-288-7671 > Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 16:42:38 +0000 > From: "Fermin, German" > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting > Message-ID: <6088a4e6c490455689723fb44dbe3cc6@VSMAILMB02.purchase.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I'm interspersing my comments within the questions. Although I must say that since I am at a helpdesk for a College and I have been supporting ribbons for a number of years now, the complexity is not "perception", it is indeed much harder than it needs to be. Hopefully all this feedback will help. > > When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you expect to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab? > Feedback: > I would expect for it to land on File. This brings is consistency to the experience. Always good to have one starting point less confusing to have a consistent starting point. > > 1. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as: > a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface > b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the lower ribbon to be another UI surface > c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the peripheral controls to be another UI surface > d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and lower ribbon to be another UI surface > Feedback: > Closest would be A. Keep it consistent. It is too easy to get lost in the dizzying amount of differing options that could be navigated to within both Word and outlook. If it gets broken up into smaller amounts of groups and not so many subcategories, easier on the brain. Quicker to get from point A to point B rather then worrying about which ribbon I'm in and having to remember that the lower ribbon may have other options that I may or may not need. I would much rather drill down to get somewhere linearly than tabbing through 100 controls in order to get to that one thing I need to change. > > > Ribbon > Upper Ribbon > Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls: > * File > * Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View) > * Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share) > 1. When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you to Home or (b) stay on File? > Feedback: > Stay on file because that is a button and not a tab. A button is to be pressed to activate a function. In this case we have File tab buttons. That's confusing. Which is it? > > 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you to Share or (b) stay on File? > Feedback: > I would expect for it to go to another button. Just like if I was navigating through tabs, I would expect for it to go to another tab. > > 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it? > Feedback: > A. If I move focus to another tab, I expect focus to be there as well. I may not do anything within that tab but if I'm focused in a tab, I want to be able to make changes in that now focus and active tab. > > 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab? > Feedback: > If I hit left arrow, I expect to cycle through the different tabs within that level. Just like if I went with the right arrow. > > 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab? > Feedback: > Same as above. I expect to go to the next tab. Tell me still appears to be a keyboard trap for me. > > 6. Does Tab (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon? > Feedback: > Currently it seems like it does a mixture of all three. I would align closest to B. If I use tab, I expect to hit the controls that are in the tab I selected/activated. > > 7. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? > Feedback: > Shift+tab should take you through the reverse order of the tab you are in within the same level. If this is a different experience going backwards, that's just confusing. If I start having different experiences depending on which direction I'm going in, that makes it conditional and leaving it up to the user to remember. Also, if the experiences changes like that, I would imagine that it would be also hard to update since it's conditional on the programming side. I'm others can speak to this. > > 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? > Feedback: > To keep it consistent, tab would go to the first item associated with that tab header. So C in this case. > > 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? > Feedback: > To keep it consistent, same as above. If you are on tab headers and you hit up arrow, it should do nothing. > > Lower Ribbon > Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 group. > 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first item in each group? > Feedback: > Take you through each item in each group. Whether they are groups or tabs, the experience should remain the same. > > 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? > Feedback: > Take you through items in reverse order. The rest of the choices add layers of confusion. > > 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does Tab and Shift-Tab (a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop? > Feedback: > It should loop within the chosen tab. > > 4. Does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) jump you through each group, with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing? > Feedback: > I would choose A but what is exactly is the difference between > a group from a tab? Is the experience suppose to be different? Is control+left or right arrow suppose to replace control+tab and shift tab? > > 5. If you selected "A" for #4, does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop? > Feedback: > If control+left or right arrow for navigating through groups, it should loop through the groups, not the items within the group. That should be reserved for tabbing. > > 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab? > Feedback: > If I am at the end of the items and I tab, I expect to loop within that section. Taking to the next tab is only going to confuse me. I choose C. > > 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? > 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? > Feedback: > Nothing on both of these. Although I think this is worth talking through. Problem with this is I never remember which key I am suppose to use for navigating or activating things. > > Menus > Menu items only > 1. Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then hitting the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other end? > Feedback: > Loop to the other end. I always expect that and if I don't get that I get confused and start second guessing thinking that perhaps I missed something. > > Menu items + submenus > 1. Does Alt within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? > Feedback: > Dismiss the whole chain. I guess I'm so use to hitting alt to get to a menu or out of them. To me it has always been like a toggle. Alt to activate the menu and alt to be out of that menu. > > 2. Does Esc within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? > Feedback: > Escapes at the moment seems to go back one level at a time in some cases. If it did that consistently, it would make sense. > > Menu items + combo boxes/spinners/checkboxes > 1. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combo box, spinner, or checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? > Feedback: > It would really depend on what actions were available. If only one action can be performed within that combo box I would expect for it to be closed. I would closest align with A. Although, I want focus to remain just in case I want to confirm my changes. > > 2. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combo box, spinner, or checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? > Feedback: > Same as above. IS this the same question or am I missing something? > > 3. Does typing a new value in a combo box or spinner and then hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it? > Feedback: > Strongly align with A. Resetting it after tabbing could only be compared to a nightmare. If a screen reader can only focus on one thing at a time, resetting the values would only add another layer of complexity. If I'm following instructions from a web page and I have cycle through the windows after following the instructions... Resetting, reading, resetting, reading etc. > > Menu items + menu sections > 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the first item in each menu section? > Feedback: > Traditionally, if I'm traveling through menu's, I am using arrow keys and not tabbing through them. If I start tabbing, in my mind it is no longer a menu but a tab. > > 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each menu item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu section? > Same as above. If I am tabbing, it's not a menu. > > 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in the current menu section? > Loop in the current menu section. > > Menu items + grid > Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed. > 1. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from a menu item enter G1 at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify? > Feedback: > Like most things, I would like consistency and one starting point. If I enter a grid, I expect to start from the same place giving the option of moving to where I need to be, go or change within that grid menu or tab. So index 0,0 > > 2. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 at (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, or (c) a different index, please specify? > Feedback: > I would keep this consistent. If I am in a new grid, I would like to start from the same position every time. That gives me the option to navigate where I need to go. Less of a burden on the brain. > > 3. 1Does entering grid G1 with Up Arrow from a menu item enter G1 (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify? > Feedback: > This is counter intuitive. Do I go up to the bottom of a grid? Using the down arrow key feels more like a logical direction to me to go into something. Would I go up the stairs to go down into a room? At least not in one fluid motion. Perhaps others miles may vary in this experience. > > 4. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different index, please specify? > Feedback: > I would like consistency. I would still want to start from the same spot no matter which grid I was going into or coming from. Although I can see why you may want to start where you left off if you are dealing with going in and out of multiple grids. > > 5. Does entering a grid with Tab take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? > Feedback: > So is this a menu or a grid? If tab takes you to a grid, index 0,0. Consistent starting point. > > 6. Does entering a grid with Shift + Tab take you to (a) index 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? > Feedback: > Same as above. I would want the same entry point regardless which way I get to it. > > 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing? > Feedback: > I lean toward staying within the same row. I want the option to move down to the next row when I need to. > > 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it is a submenu)? > Feedback: > We need to establish behaviors rather than doing all of the above. A grid isn't a menu so shouldn't behave as such. If there is a submenu on an item in a grid, I would expect to back out of the submenu with left arrow or go deeper into it with right arrow. Once I am back in the grid and the menu is collapsed, arrows should take me to the next grid point. So potentially collapse when using left arrow. If using right arrow, it should go to next grid point if back in the grid or submenu's if within submenu's. > > 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had focus in the grid or (b) something else? > Feedback: > In this instant because it's a submenu, focus should return back to the grid point where that submenu was located. This should remain consistent so using the opposite arrow key will depend on where you are and what you are interacting with at a time. If within a submenu, it should behave like one. Arrowing up and down through a menu, right arrow to open a submenu like a tree branch, left arrow to close that tree branch. Escape to close the menu and return you back to the grid point where you started. > > 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)? > Feedback: > To keep it consistent I like the idea of opening the menu or submenu with one keystroke whether it be enter or the spacebar and traversing through menu and submenus like I said above. So it should collapse when hitting left arrow only when hitting the left most boundary. Closing menus and submenu's them with escape which is totally different then collapsing. > > Keytips (aka accelerator keys) > Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses "Alt," Office Online uses "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting "Alt + Windows" shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of two things will happen. One, if the control's children has keytips, focus gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control's default function will be executed. For example, if you hit "Alt + Windows" and then "N," keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon's contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit "NU," focus will be on the "Page Numbers" menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting "R" will execute "Remove Page Numbers" because this menu item ! > doesn't have any children. > 1. Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they appear (in keytip mode)? > Feedback: > Yes. Anything that will help me from point a to point B faster is ideal. > > 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values? > Feedback: > It use to be which ever was the highlighted letter was the accelerator key. That should remain consistent and when changed it should be documented. Using Jaws I used to be able to hit numpad plus the number 5 to query what was highlighted > 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips? > Feedback: > I would like to be able to query as needed, not to be told all the time. We as screen reader users already have enough chatter. > > Thank you and if there's something that I wasn't clear about, please ask. > > German > From: athen-list On Behalf Of June Lee > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM > To: Anita Mortaloni ; athen-list@u.washington.edu > Cc: Erin Williams (CELA) > Subject: Re: [Athen] Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting > > Hi everyone, below are the list of scenarios we would like to receive feedback on. Please feel free to reply via email with feedback if you can't attend the meeting. > > > Office Online Ribbon Navigation Scenarios for Feedback > Contacts: June Lee > and Jeremy Spurlin > > Background > Office Online is working on a simpler ribbon to reduce the perception of complexity that our product currently has. We are leveraging this opportunity to revisit our earlier decisions around keyboard (KB) interactions and assistive technology (AT) announcements to improve our products' experience for all users. One challenge we face is that as an Office product hosted online, we sit at the intersection of several and sometimes different standards - Office, the web, and other online Microsoft products. > > The questions this week focus on navigating to/from/within the ribbon. The ribbon consists of 2 rows referred to as the Upper Ribbon and Lower Ribbon. The upper ribbon consist of the File Menu Launcher, Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, etc.), and Peripheral Controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share). One tab may be in "active" at a time, and that defines the contents of the lower ribbon. The Lower Ribbon consists of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains the commanding tools (i.e. Bold, Italic, Underline, etc.) related to the active tab. > > Thank you in advanced for your feedback and help! > Ctrl + F6 loop > Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses F6, Office Online uses CTRL + F6 to take you through its UI surfaces. This is due to browser limitations. How UI surfaces are bounded impacts how you arrow or tab to navigate within that surface. > > 1. When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you expect to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab? > 2. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as: > a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface > b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the lower ribbon to be another UI surface > c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the peripheral controls to be another UI surface > d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and lower ribbon to be another UI surface > Ribbon > Upper Ribbon > Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls: > * File > * Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View) > * Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share) > > 1. When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you to Home or (b) stay on File? > 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you to Share or (b) stay on File? > 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it? > 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab? > 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab? > 6. Does Tab (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon? > 7. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? > 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? > 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? > Lower Ribbon > Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 group. > > 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first item in each group? > 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? > 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does Tab and Shift-Tab (a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop? > 4. Does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) jump you through each group, with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing? > 5. If you selected "A" for #4, does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop? > 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab? > 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? > 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? > Menus > Menu items only > > 1. Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then hitting the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other end? > > Menu items + submenus > > 1. Does Alt within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? > 2. Does Esc within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? > Menu items + comboboxes/spinners/checkboxes > > 1. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? > 2. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? > 3. Does typing a new value in a combobox or spinner and then hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it? > Menu items + menu sections > > 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the first item in each menu section? > 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each menu item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu section? > 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in the current menu section? > Menu items + grid > Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed. > > 1. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from a menu item enter G1 at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify? > 2. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 at (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, or (c) a different index, please specify? > 3. Does entering grid G1 with Up Arrow from a menu item enter G1 (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify? > 4. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different index, please specify? > 5. Does entering a grid with Tab take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? > 6. Does entering a grid with Shift + Tab take you to (a) index 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? > 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing? > 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it is a submenu)? > 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had focus in the grid or (b) something else? > 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)? > Keytips (aka accelerator keys) > Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses "Alt," Office Online uses "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting "Alt + Windows" shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of two things will happen. One, if the control's children has keytips, focus gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control's default function will be executed. For example, if you hit "Alt + Windows" and then "N," keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon's contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit "NU," focus will be on the "Page Numbers" menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting "R" will execute "Remove Page Numbers" because this menu item ! > doesn't have any children. > > 1. Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they appear (in keytip mode)? > 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values? > 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips? > > Warm regards, > June > > From: Anita Mortaloni > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:50 AM > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Cc: Erin Williams (CELA) >; June Lee >; Jeremy Spurlin >; Anita Mortaloni > > Subject: Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting > > Hi ATHEN, > > Sharing out the agenda for the upcoming ATHEN meeting next Wednesday 1/10 at 9am. We have a full agenda and great topics to discuss. If you have additional items that you would like to discuss, please send them prior to the meeting to add them to the agenda. > > Talk to you all next week! > Anita > > Agenda for 03/07 ATHEN-Microsoft Meeting > > 1. Update on bug status from eDAD - Erin Williams > 2. Update on ribbon feedback/scenarios - June Lee > 3. Discussion on deployment blockers, problems and issues with upgrading to the latest O365 for people using AT or working with people using AT. - Anita Mortaloni > 4. 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Please contact me for an alternative format of the survey, or if you have any questions. > > Thanks all! > > Phil > > > Phil Deaton > Digital Accessibility Coordinator > Michigan State University > Information Technology > deatonph@msu.edu > (517) 884-0688 > 120 Computer Center > 450 Auditorium Rd > East Lansing, MI, 48824 > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 13:26:45 -0500 > From: Robert Spangler > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello, I'm on NVDA 2017.4 as well. When I press alt, the ribbon activates > and I am placed on the Home tab. However, if I press enter on Home it just > throws me back into the document; I have to tab from the ribbon strip in > order to see the options. This has always been the case in Word as far > back as I can remember; although, in other ribbons throughout Windows and > Office, it is indeed necessary to hit enter on the tab first. This is > another reason I've always been frustrated with these ribbons, because the > ways of interacting with them have not been consistent. I have since > accepted that the ribbons are here to stay, but it doesn't mean I have to > like them. Haha. > > In either case, I do have JAWS installed on here so I'll give that a try > and see what my results are. What version of Office are you using, because > that could also make a difference. I'm on 2016. > > Thanks again, > Robert > > > On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Russell Solowoniuk > wrote: > >> Hi Robert, >> >> >> >> What version of NVDA are you running? I just tried going to the Home tab >> in MS Word 2016 with NVDA 2017.4. I press the alt key to go to the Home >> tab. I then press enter to open the home tab, and I land on the Paste >> button. I press alt + down arrow, and am in a list of paste options, ?Use >> destination theme?, ?Paste Special?, ?Keep source formatting?, etc. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Russell >> >> >> >> Russell Solowoniuk >> >> AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities >> >> MacEwan University >> >> 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. >> >> Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 >> >> E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca >> >> T: 780-497-5826 <(780)%20497-5826> >> >> F: 780-497-4018 <(780)%20497-4018> >> >> macewan.ca >> >> [image: MacEwan Logo] >> >> This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is >> addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged >> information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended >> recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take >> action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent >> reply, should be deleted or destroyed. >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this email >> >> >> >> *We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory >> is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour >> and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First >> Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home*. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On >> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 1:28 PM >> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word >> >> >> >> Thanks everyone for your responses. >> >> Neither of these suggestions work with NVDA. I will need to reach out to >> their list and ask. I'll report back when I find out. >> >> Thank goodness for object nav. >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:44 PM, S A. Marositz >> wrote: >> >> Hi Robert >> >> >> >> Alt+down errow is supposed to do it. Another option for activating ?split >> buttons? is space bar where ?enter? will simply activate it. You are right, >> This does not seem to be working in Word 2016 with NVDA. It is with Jaws18 >> though. >> >> >> >> Best >> >> Stephen Alexander Marositz JD, CPACC >> Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College >> Phone: (626) 585-7242 >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On >> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 11:23 AM >> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> *Subject:* [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word >> >> >> >> Hello everyone! I'm using a screen reader with Word 2016 (NVDA to be >> specific) and I am trying to figure out how to activate submenus on the >> ribbon. For example, the first button off the Home tab is the Paste >> button. I have been told, though, that there is an arrow next to it that >> when clicked will open a menu with related options, such as Paste Special. >> >> How does one access this menu with the keyboard? I can get to the paste >> button itself, but pressing enter on it of course executes the paste >> command. Pressing the applications key or right clicking pulls up another >> menu, but not the one I want. I noticed that, with NVDA, routing the >> cursor to the object, using some object nav magic then left-clicking >> produces the menu with Paste Special, Text Only, etc but there has to be an >> easier way...I hope? >> >> Thanks in advance for your wisdom! >> >> Robert >> >> >> -- >> >> Robert Spangler >> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >> rspangler1@udayton.edu >> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >> Ryan C. 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Although I must say that since I am at a helpdesk for a College and I have been supporting ribbons for a number of years now, the complexity is not ?perception?, it is indeed much harder than it needs to be. Hopefully all this feedback will help. >> >> >> >> When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you expect to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab? >> >> Feedback: >> >> I would expect for it to land on File. This brings is consistency to the experience. Always good to have one starting point less confusing to have a consistent starting point. >> > > Karen - use Ctrl + F6 to cycle through open documents in a specific Office application...for example, of I have two or more Word docs open, Ctrl + F6 cycles me forward through my open Word docs while Ctrl + Shift + F6 cycles me backward through them...has this been reassigned? >> >> >> 1. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as: >> >> a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface >> >> b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the lower ribbon to be another UI surface >> >> c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the peripheral controls to be another UI surface >> >> d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and lower ribbon to be another UI surface >> >> Feedback: >> >> Closest would be A. Keep it consistent. It is too easy to get lost in the dizzying amount of differing options that could be navigated to within both Word and outlook. If it gets broken up into smaller amounts of groups and not so many subcategories, easier on the brain. Quicker to get from point A to point B rather then worrying about which ribbon I?m in and having to remember that the lower ribbon may have other options that I may or may not need. I would much rather drill down to get somewhere linearly than tabbing through 100 controls in order to get to that one thing I need to change. >> >> Karen - Not sure I understand. I expect File/Backstage, regular ribbon tabs, Add-in tabs and then Sub-Rbbons like aTable Tools or Drawing Tools with Ask Me at the end and account info and send a smile to the far right. >> >> Ribbon >> Upper Ribbon >> Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls: >> ? File >> >> ? Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View) >> >> ? Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share) >> >> 1. When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you to Home or (b) stay on File? >> >> Feedback: >> >> Stay on file because that is a button and not a tab. A button is to be pressed to activate a function. In this case we have File tab buttons. That?s confusing. Which is it? >> > > Karen - I would agree since Alt on its own takes you to either the Home tab or the tab you ere last on, not the File/Backstage area. >> >> >> 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you to Share or (b) stay on File? >> >> Feedback: >> >> I would expect for it to go to another button. Just like if I was navigating through tabs, I would expect for it to go to another tab. >> > > Karen- same as comment above. Focus should remain on File/Backstage...although when I've accidentally pressed Alt + F, it is nice to just press an arrow key to move into the tabs. >> >> >> 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it? >> >> Feedback: >> >> A. If I move focus to another tab, I expect focus to be there as well. I may not do anything within that tab but if I?m focused in a tab, I want to be able to make changes in that now focus and active tab. >> >> >> > Karen - I can see both scenarios...if I'm moving to fast and miss the Ribbon I want, it is nice to just go back without backing out of a Ribbon...but if I want to work more efficiently, I'd want to move directly into the tool...but my final answer is that it not activate the Ribbon. I can use the specific keyboard command to move to and activate the Ribbon. I see using the arrows as more of an exploratory tool or something for me to jog my memory for what the name of a Ribbon is that I don't often use. That is how I use Alt plus Arrows. > >> 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab? >> >> Feedback: >> >> If I hit left arrow, I expect to cycle through the different tabs within that level. Just like if I went with the right arrow. >> > > Hmmm, I would say yes here but it negates my previous answered about File/Backstage...so...I think that File/backstage should be thought of as a vertical Ribbon instead of as a button which would allow for more fluid navigation along the top tabs and we wouldn't get stuck on a "File" button. Are we using the term "File button" based on the old Office button? In thinking about it, I already have kind of thought of it as a vertical Ribbon with groups of tools >> >> >> 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab? >> >> Feedback: >> >> Same as above. I expect to go to the next tab. Tell me still appears to be a keyboard trap for me. >> > > Karen - I expect to go to the next tab or item. I use the arrow keys to find a specific tab/tool or to see if anything new has been added, skipping over things is confusing and doesn't really give me the ability to visualize the way the UI is laid out. > > Will send more later...next Conference session is about to start. >> >> >> 6. Does Tab (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon? >> >> Feedback: >> >> Currently it seems like it does a mixture of all three. I would align closest to B. If I use tab, I expect to hit the controls that are in the tab I selected/activated. >> >> >> >> 7. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? >> >> Feedback: >> >> Shift+tab should take you through the reverse order of the tab you are in within the same level. If this is a different experience going backwards, that?s just confusing. If I start having different experiences depending on which direction I?m going in, that makes it conditional and leaving it up to the user to remember. Also, if the experiences changes like that, I would imagine that it would be also hard to update since it?s conditional on the programming side. I?m others can speak to this. >> >> >> >> 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? >> >> Feedback: >> >> To keep it consistent, tab would go to the first item associated with that tab header. So C in this case. >> >> >> >> 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? >> >> Feedback: >> >> To keep it consistent, same as above. If you are on tab headers and you hit up arrow, it should do nothing. >> >> >> >> Lower Ribbon >> Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 group. >> 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first item in each group? >> >> Feedback: >> >> Take you through each item in each group. Whether they are groups or tabs, the experience should remain the same. >> >> >> >> 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? >> >> Feedback: >> >> Take you through items in reverse order. The rest of the choices add layers of confusion. >> >> >> >> 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does Tab and Shift-Tab (a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop? >> >> Feedback: >> >> It should loop within the chosen tab. >> >> >> >> 4. Does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) jump you through each group, with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing? >> >> Feedback: >> >> I would choose A but what is exactly is the difference between >> >> a group from a tab? Is the experience suppose to be different? Is control+left or right arrow suppose to replace control+tab and shift tab? >> >> >> >> 5. If you selected ?A? for #4, does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop? >> >> Feedback: >> >> If control+left or right arrow for navigating through groups, it should loop through the groups, not the items within the group. That should be reserved for tabbing. >> >> >> >> 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab? >> >> Feedback: >> >> If I am at the end of the items and I tab, I expect to loop within that section. Taking to the next tab is only going to confuse me. I choose C. >> >> >> >> 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? >> >> 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? >> >> Feedback: >> >> Nothing on both of these. Although I think this is worth talking through. Problem with this is I never remember which key I am suppose to use for navigating or activating things. >> >> >> >> Menus >> Menu items only >> 1. Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then hitting the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other end? >> >> Feedback: >> >> Loop to the other end. I always expect that and if I don?t get that I get confused and start second guessing thinking that perhaps I missed something. >> >> >> >> Menu items + submenus >> 1. Does Alt within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? >> >> Feedback: >> >> Dismiss the whole chain. I guess I?m so use to hitting alt to get to a menu or out of them. To me it has always been like a toggle. Alt to activate the menu and alt to be out of that menu. >> >> >> >> 2. Does Esc within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? >> >> Feedback: >> >> Escapes at the moment seems to go back one level at a time in some cases. If it did that consistently, it would make sense. >> >> >> >> Menu items + combo boxes/spinners/checkboxes >> 1. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combo box, spinner, or checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? >> >> Feedback: >> >> It would really depend on what actions were available. If only one action can be performed within that combo box I would expect for it to be closed. I would closest align with A. Although, I want focus to remain just in case I want to confirm my changes. >> >> >> >> 2. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combo box, spinner, or checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? >> >> Feedback: >> >> Same as above. IS this the same question or am I missing something? >> >> >> >> 3. Does typing a new value in a combo box or spinner and then hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it? >> >> Feedback: >> >> Strongly align with A. Resetting it after tabbing could only be compared to a nightmare. If a screen reader can only focus on one thing at a time, resetting the values would only add another layer of complexity. If I?m following instructions from a web page and I have cycle through the windows after following the instructions? Resetting, reading, resetting, reading etc. >> >> >> >> Menu items + menu sections >> 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the first item in each menu section? >> >> Feedback: >> >> Traditionally, if I?m traveling through menu?s, I am using arrow keys and not tabbing through them. If I start tabbing, in my mind it is no longer a menu but a tab. >> >> >> >> 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each menu item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu section? >> >> Same as above. If I am tabbing, it?s not a menu. >> >> >> >> 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in the current menu section? >> >> Loop in the current menu section. >> >> >> >> Menu items + grid >> Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed. >> 1. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from a menu item enter G1 at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify? >> >> Feedback: >> >> Like most things, I would like consistency and one starting point. If I enter a grid, I expect to start from the same place giving the option of moving to where I need to be, go or change within that grid menu or tab. So index 0,0 >> >> >> >> 2. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 at (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, or (c) a different index, please specify? >> >> Feedback: >> >> I would keep this consistent. If I am in a new grid, I would like to start from the same position every time. That gives me the option to navigate where I need to go. Less of a burden on the brain. >> >> >> >> 3. 1Does entering grid G1 with Up Arrow from a menu item enter G1 (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify? >> >> Feedback: >> >> This is counter intuitive. Do I go up to the bottom of a grid? Using the down arrow key feels more like a logical direction to me to go into something. Would I go up the stairs to go down into a room? At least not in one fluid motion. Perhaps others miles may vary in this experience. >> >> >> >> 4. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different index, please specify? >> >> Feedback: >> >> I would like consistency. I would still want to start from the same spot no matter which grid I was going into or coming from. Although I can see why you may want to start where you left off if you are dealing with going in and out of multiple grids. >> >> >> >> 5. Does entering a grid with Tab take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? >> >> Feedback: >> >> So is this a menu or a grid? If tab takes you to a grid, index 0,0. Consistent starting point. >> >> >> >> 6. Does entering a grid with Shift + Tab take you to (a) index 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? >> >> Feedback: >> >> Same as above. I would want the same entry point regardless which way I get to it. >> >> >> >> 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing? >> >> Feedback: >> >> I lean toward staying within the same row. I want the option to move down to the next row when I need to. >> >> >> >> 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it is a submenu)? >> >> Feedback: >> >> We need to establish behaviors rather than doing all of the above. A grid isn?t a menu so shouldn?t behave as such. If there is a submenu on an item in a grid, I would expect to back out of the submenu with left arrow or go deeper into it with right arrow. Once I am back in the grid and the menu is collapsed, arrows should take me to the next grid point. So potentially collapse when using left arrow. If using right arrow, it should go to next grid point if back in the grid or submenu?s if within submenu?s. >> >> >> >> 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had focus in the grid or (b) something else? >> >> Feedback: >> >> In this instant because it?s a submenu, focus should return back to the grid point where that submenu was located. This should remain consistent so using the opposite arrow key will depend on where you are and what you are interacting with at a time. If within a submenu, it should behave like one. Arrowing up and down through a menu, right arrow to open a submenu like a tree branch, left arrow to close that tree branch. Escape to close the menu and return you back to the grid point where you started. >> >> >> >> 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)? >> >> Feedback: >> >> To keep it consistent I like the idea of opening the menu or submenu with one keystroke whether it be enter or the spacebar and traversing through menu and submenus like I said above. So it should collapse when hitting left arrow only when hitting the left most boundary. Closing menus and submenu?s them with escape which is totally different then collapsing. >> >> >> >> Keytips (aka accelerator keys) >> Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses ?Alt,? Office Online uses "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting ?Alt + Windows? shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of two things will happen. One, if the control?s children has keytips, focus gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control?s default function will be executed. For example, if you hit ?Alt + Windows? and then ?N,? keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon?s contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit ?NU,? focus will be on the ?Page Numbers? menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting ?R? will execute ?Remove Page Numbers? because this menu ite! > m doesn?t have any children. >> 1. Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they appear (in keytip mode)? >> >> Feedback: >> >> Yes. Anything that will help me from point a to point B faster is ideal. >> >> >> >> 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values? >> >> Feedback: >> >> It use to be which ever was the highlighted letter was the accelerator key. That should remain consistent and when changed it should be documented. Using Jaws I used to be able to hit numpad plus the number 5 to query what was highlighted >> >> >> 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips? >> >> Feedback: >> I would like to be able to query as needed, not to be told all the time. We as screen reader users already have enough chatter. >> >> Thank you and if there?s something that I wasn?t clear about, please ask. >> >> German >> From: athen-list On Behalf Of June Lee >> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM >> To: Anita Mortaloni ; athen-list@u.washington.edu >> Cc: Erin Williams (CELA) >> Subject: Re: [Athen] Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting >> >> Hi everyone, below are the list of scenarios we would like to receive feedback on. Please feel free to reply via email with feedback if you can?t attend the meeting. >> >> Office Online Ribbon Navigation Scenarios for Feedback >> Contacts: June Lee and Jeremy Spurlin >> Background >> Office Online is working on a simpler ribbon to reduce the perception of complexity that our product currently has. We are leveraging this opportunity to revisit our earlier decisions around keyboard (KB) interactions and assistive technology (AT) announcements to improve our products? experience for all users. One challenge we face is that as an Office product hosted online, we sit at the intersection of several and sometimes different standards ? Office, the web, and other online Microsoft products. >> >> The questions this week focus on navigating to/from/within the ribbon. The ribbon consists of 2 rows referred to as the Upper Ribbon and Lower Ribbon. The upper ribbon consist of the File Menu Launcher, Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, etc.), and Peripheral Controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share). One tab may be in ?active? at a time, and that defines the contents of the lower ribbon. The Lower Ribbon consists of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains the commanding tools (i.e. Bold, Italic, Underline, etc.) related to the active tab. >> >> Thank you in advanced for your feedback and help! >> Ctrl + F6 loop >> Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses F6, Office Online uses CTRL + F6 to take you through its UI surfaces. This is due to browser limitations. How UI surfaces are bounded impacts how you arrow or tab to navigate within that surface. >> When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you expect to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab? >> 2. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as: >> >> a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface >> >> b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the lower ribbon to be another UI surface >> >> c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the peripheral controls to be another UI surface >> >> d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and lower ribbon to be another UI surface >> >> Ribbon >> Upper Ribbon >> Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls: >> ? File >> >> ? Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View) >> >> ? Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share) >> >> When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you to Home or (b) stay on File? >> 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you to Share or (b) stay on File? >> >> 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it? >> >> 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab? >> >> 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab? >> >> 6. Does Tab (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon? >> >> 7. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? >> >> 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? >> >> 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing? >> >> Lower Ribbon >> Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 group. >> Does Tab (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first item in each group? >> 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? >> >> 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does Tab and Shift-Tab (a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop? >> >> 4. Does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) jump you through each group, with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing? >> >> 5. If you selected ?A? for #4, does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop? >> >> 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab? >> >> 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? >> >> 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing? >> >> Menus >> Menu items only >> Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then hitting the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other end? >> Menu items + submenus >> Does Alt within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? >> 2. Does Esc within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time? >> >> Menu items + comboboxes/spinners/checkboxes >> Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? >> 2. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control? >> >> 3. Does typing a new value in a combobox or spinner and then hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it? >> >> Menu items + menu sections >> Does Tab (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the first item in each menu section? >> 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each menu item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu section? >> >> 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in the current menu section? >> >> Menu items + grid >> Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed. >> Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from a menu item enter G1 at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify? >> 2. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 at (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, or (c) a different index, please specify? >> >> 3. Does entering grid G1 with Up Arrow from a menu item enter G1 (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify? >> >> 4. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different index, please specify? >> >> 5. Does entering a grid with Tab take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? >> >> 6. Does entering a grid with Shift + Tab take you to (a) index 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)? >> >> 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing? >> >> 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it is a submenu)? >> >> 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had focus in the grid or (b) something else? >> >> 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)? >> >> Keytips (aka accelerator keys) >> Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses ?Alt,? Office Online uses "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting ?Alt + Windows? shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of two things will happen. One, if the control?s children has keytips, focus gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control?s default function will be executed. For example, if you hit ?Alt + Windows? and then ?N,? keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon?s contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit ?NU,? focus will be on the ?Page Numbers? menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting ?R? will execute ?Remove Page Numbers? because this menu ite! > m doesn?t have any children. >> Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they appear (in keytip mode)? >> 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values? >> >> 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips? >> >> >> Warm regards, >> June >> >> From: Anita Mortaloni >> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:50 AM >> To: athen-list@u.washington.edu >> Cc: Erin Williams (CELA) ; June Lee ; Jeremy Spurlin ; Anita Mortaloni >> Subject: Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting >> >> Hi ATHEN, >> >> Sharing out the agenda for the upcoming ATHEN meeting next Wednesday 1/10 at 9am. We have a full agenda and great topics to discuss. If you have additional items that you would like to discuss, please send them prior to the meeting to add them to the agenda. >> >> Talk to you all next week! >> Anita >> >> Agenda for 03/07 ATHEN-Microsoft Meeting >> Update on bug status from eDAD ? Erin Williams >> Update on ribbon feedback/scenarios ? June Lee >> Discussion on deployment blockers, problems and issues with upgrading to the latest O365 for people using AT or working with people using AT. ? Anita Mortaloni >> Possible training/meet-up in Redmond? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 19:16:24 +0000 > From: Krista Greear > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] Office 2016 (Mac) powerpoint accessibility > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Checking for understanding there are two ways you can fix reading order. > > > Method 1 - Selection Pane > > You can move the objects up and down. Objects listed LAST will be read FIRST by a screen reader, and objects listed FIRST will be read LAST. Therefore, you want the objects to be listed bottom to top, so that they are read aloud top to bottom. > > > Method 2 - Reorder Objects > > You can move the objects left to right. Objects are shown in layers, with numbers assigned to each layer. Number 1 will be read LAST, and Number 3 will be read first. Therefore, you want the objects listed left to right (number 1 is always on the far right), so that they are read aloud top to bottom. > > > Reorder Objects and Selection Pane are connected. If I move the objects up and down in the Selection Pane, that will move the objects left to right within Reorder Objects. > > > Is this correct? > > Krista > > > Krista Greear > > University of Washington | Disability Resources for Students > > Assistant Director > > 011 Mary Gates Hall | Box 352808 > > Seattle, WA 98195-2808 | disability.uw.edu/ > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > ------------------------------ > > End of athen-list Digest, Vol 146, Issue 5 > ****************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mthornt at uark.edu Fri Mar 9 06:06:08 2018 From: mthornt at uark.edu (Melanie P. Thornton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] technology for seniors In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: [https://tr.cloudmagic.com/h/v6/emailtag/tag/2.0/1520604347/3c132dbd8be4f82aa7031eb338684953/5/08ed38a96afbcf5435e1075a13c69fc5/94c56fcd69a22c9f997ea9139695486b/9efab2399c7c560b34de477b9aa0a465/newton.gif] Hi, Tess. I?d add Oscar Senior app for iOS and Android phones and tablets to the fabulous list of resources shared so far. A friend of mine with macular degeneration has also found the magnification apps on her iPhone and iPad very helpful for viewing paper documents. You might also look at Inky as an email client. I haven?t used it but it?s on my list of apps to check out. Melanie ________________________________ MELANIE THORNTON | coordinator of access and equity outreach University of Arkansas CURRENTS V/T: 501.291.3217 | F: 501.624.6250 On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Shelley Haven wrote: For seniors who need a simplified computer interface, simplified interface for commonly-used software (email, contacts, audio/video chat, photos, news, games, etc.), and alternative access (touchscreen, mouse alternative, etc.), consider these options: https://www.redstampmail.com http://www.eldy.eu http://pawpawmail.com http://www.pointerware.com https://seeyoulink.com I've tried all but the last one with senior clients ? they have their various pros and cons. Most have a ?monitor? mode where another adult can remotely keep track of the senior?s activities and even provide assistance. I?ve also used a MacBook in Simple Finder mode with a senior client, and added a remote assistance app (Join.Me, Zoom, etc.) so that I could assist and train their caregivers as needed. Some companies have specifically adapted computers for easier use by seniors ? for example: https://www.mywowcomputer.com http://www.aplusseniorcomputer.com/touch%20screen.htm I?m sure there are others out there, too, as well as companies who have adapted Android tablets, etc. Hope this helps, Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant www.TechPotential.net On Mar 6, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Tess McMillan > wrote: I realize this may be off-topic and possibly a duplicate query for all of you as I cross-posted to ITAccess/Educause. Can you recommend technologies that seniors can use to stay in contact? For example, if there might be vision issues (such as reduced visual field due to macular degeneration) combined with some memory issues ? making navigating a complex email client difficult? Or, best practices for cell phones or text messaging for clumsy fingers? Thank you! Tess Tess McMillan Web site Manager, Student Programs, Bellevue College bellevuecollege.edu/stupro > and bellevuecollege.edu/PALS > (425) 564-5084 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Speech2RTT? accommodates users in 96 countries speaking any one of 68 languages. Communications are 100% private. No communications assistants are involved. No limits are imposed on the length of communications. Speech2RTT offers free RTT communications, even internationally. Best of all, it is being offered at no cost until July 1, 2018, at which time there will be a small yearly charge assessed." REad more and register free at: http://easi.cc/clinic.htm Norm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From solowoniukr at macewan.ca Sat Mar 10 13:56:58 2018 From: solowoniukr at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47AF97D0-7983-49BA-8F1C-E9E626C98675@macewan.ca> Hi Robert, I am running Office 2016 as well, but it?s part of the Office 365 package. I?m not sure if that would make any difference at all. Who knows though, right? :) Thanks, Russell From: athen-list on behalf of Robert Spangler Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:28 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word Hello, I'm on NVDA 2017.4 as well. When I press alt, the ribbon activates and I am placed on the Home tab. However, if I press enter on Home it just throws me back into the document; I have to tab from the ribbon strip in order to see the options. This has always been the case in Word as far back as I can remember; although, in other ribbons throughout Windows and Office, it is indeed necessary to hit enter on the tab first. This is another reason I've always been frustrated with these ribbons, because the ways of interacting with them have not been consistent. I have since accepted that the ribbons are here to stay, but it doesn't mean I have to like them. Haha. In either case, I do have JAWS installed on here so I'll give that a try and see what my results are. What version of Office are you using, because that could also make a difference. I'm on 2016. Thanks again, Robert On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Russell Solowoniuk > wrote: Hi Robert, What version of NVDA are you running? I just tried going to the Home tab in MS Word 2016 with NVDA 2017.4. I press the alt key to go to the Home tab. I then press enter to open the home tab, and I land on the Paste button. I press alt + down arrow, and am in a list of paste options, ?Use destination theme?, ?Paste Special?, ?Keep source formatting?, etc. Thanks, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [acEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 1:28 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word Thanks everyone for your responses. Neither of these suggestions work with NVDA. I will need to reach out to their list and ask. I'll report back when I find out. Thank goodness for object nav. Robert On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:44 PM, S A. Marositz > wrote: Hi Robert Alt+down errow is supposed to do it. Another option for activating ?split buttons? is space bar where ?enter? will simply activate it. You are right, This does not seem to be working in Word 2016 with NVDA. It is with Jaws18 though. Best Stephen Alexander Marositz JD, CPACC Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College Phone: (626) 585-7242 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 11:23 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word Hello everyone! I'm using a screen reader with Word 2016 (NVDA to be specific) and I am trying to figure out how to activate submenus on the ribbon. For example, the first button off the Home tab is the Paste button. I have been told, though, that there is an arrow next to it that when clicked will open a menu with related options, such as Paste Special. How does one access this menu with the keyboard? I can get to the paste button itself, but pressing enter on it of course executes the paste command. Pressing the applications key or right clicking pulls up another menu, but not the one I want. I noticed that, with NVDA, routing the cursor to the object, using some object nav magic then left-clicking produces the menu with Paste Special, Text Only, etc but there has to be an easier way...I hope? Thanks in advance for your wisdom! Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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I do notice that these tabs say, tab sub menu, so maybe that's the difference. Here's hoping that Microsoft can eventually provide some consistency here... Thanks, Robert On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 4:56 PM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote: > Hi Robert, > > > > I am running Office 2016 as well, but it?s part of the Office 365 package. > I?m not sure if that would make any difference at all. Who knows though, > right? :) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Russell > > > > *From: *athen-list on > behalf of Robert Spangler > *Reply-To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Date: *Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:28 AM > *To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject: *Re: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word > > > > Hello, I'm on NVDA 2017.4 as well. When I press alt, the ribbon activates > and I am placed on the Home tab. However, if I press enter on Home it just > throws me back into the document; I have to tab from the ribbon strip in > order to see the options. This has always been the case in Word as far > back as I can remember; although, in other ribbons throughout Windows and > Office, it is indeed necessary to hit enter on the tab first. This is > another reason I've always been frustrated with these ribbons, because the > ways of interacting with them have not been consistent. I have since > accepted that the ribbons are here to stay, but it doesn't mean I have to > like them. Haha. > > In either case, I do have JAWS installed on here so I'll give that a try > and see what my results are. What version of Office are you using, because > that could also make a difference. I'm on 2016. > > Thanks again, > > Robert > > > > On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Russell Solowoniuk < > solowoniukr@macewan.ca> wrote: > > Hi Robert, > > > > What version of NVDA are you running? I just tried going to the Home tab > in MS Word 2016 with NVDA 2017.4. I press the alt key to go to the Home > tab. I then press enter to open the home tab, and I land on the Paste > button. I press alt + down arrow, and am in a list of paste options, ?Use > destination theme?, ?Paste Special?, ?Keep source formatting?, etc. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Russell > > > > Russell Solowoniuk > > AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities > > MacEwan University > > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > > T: 780-497-5826 <(780)%20497-5826> > > F: 780-497-4018 <(780)%20497-4018> > > macewan.ca > > [image: acEwan Logo] > > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent > reply, should be deleted or destroyed. > > Please consider the environment before printing this email > > > > *We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory > is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour > and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First > Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home*. > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 1:28 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word > > > > Thanks everyone for your responses. > > Neither of these suggestions work with NVDA. I will need to reach out to > their list and ask. I'll report back when I find out. > > Thank goodness for object nav. > > Robert > > > > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:44 PM, S A. Marositz > wrote: > > Hi Robert > > > > Alt+down errow is supposed to do it. Another option for activating ?split > buttons? is space bar where ?enter? will simply activate it. You are right, > This does not seem to be working in Word 2016 with NVDA. It is with Jaws18 > though. > > > > Best > > Stephen Alexander Marositz JD, CPACC > Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College > Phone: (626) 585-7242 > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 11:23 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word > > > > Hello everyone! I'm using a screen reader with Word 2016 (NVDA to be > specific) and I am trying to figure out how to activate submenus on the > ribbon. For example, the first button off the Home tab is the Paste > button. I have been told, though, that there is an arrow next to it that > when clicked will open a menu with related options, such as Paste Special. > > How does one access this menu with the keyboard? I can get to the paste > button itself, but pressing enter on it of course executes the paste > command. Pressing the applications key or right clicking pulls up another > menu, but not the one I want. I noticed that, with NVDA, routing the > cursor to the object, using some object nav magic then left-clicking > produces the menu with Paste Special, Text Only, etc but there has to be an > easier way...I hope? > > Thanks in advance for your wisdom! > > Robert > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 <(937)%20229-2066> > > Fax: 937-229-3270 <(937)%20229-3270> > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 <(937)%20229-2066> > > Fax: 937-229-3270 <(937)%20229-3270> > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 <(937)%20229-2066> > > Fax: 937-229-3270 <(937)%20229-3270> > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wink Harner Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 4:56 PM, Russell Solowoniuk wrote: > Hi Robert, > > > > I am running Office 2016 as well, but it?s part of the Office 365 package. > I?m not sure if that would make any difference at all. Who knows though, > right? :) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Russell > > > > *From: *athen-list on > behalf of Robert Spangler > *Reply-To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Date: *Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:28 AM > *To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject: *Re: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word > > > > Hello, I'm on NVDA 2017.4 as well. When I press alt, the ribbon activates > and I am placed on the Home tab. However, if I press enter on Home it just > throws me back into the document; I have to tab from the ribbon strip in > order to see the options. This has always been the case in Word as far > back as I can remember; although, in other ribbons throughout Windows and > Office, it is indeed necessary to hit enter on the tab first. This is > another reason I've always been frustrated with these ribbons, because the > ways of interacting with them have not been consistent. I have since > accepted that the ribbons are here to stay, but it doesn't mean I have to > like them. Haha. > > In either case, I do have JAWS installed on here so I'll give that a try > and see what my results are. What version of Office are you using, because > that could also make a difference. I'm on 2016. > > Thanks again, > > Robert > > > > On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Russell Solowoniuk < > solowoniukr@macewan.ca> wrote: > > Hi Robert, > > > > What version of NVDA are you running? I just tried going to the Home tab > in MS Word 2016 with NVDA 2017.4. I press the alt key to go to the Home > tab. I then press enter to open the home tab, and I land on the Paste > button. I press alt + down arrow, and am in a list of paste options, ?Use > destination theme?, ?Paste Special?, ?Keep source formatting?, etc. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Russell > > > > Russell Solowoniuk > > AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities > > MacEwan University > > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > > T: 780-497-5826 <(780)%20497-5826> > > F: 780-497-4018 <(780)%20497-4018> > > macewan.ca > > [image: acEwan Logo] > > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent > reply, should be deleted or destroyed. > > Please consider the environment before printing this email > > > > *We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory > is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour > and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First > Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home*. > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 1:28 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word > > > > Thanks everyone for your responses. > > Neither of these suggestions work with NVDA. I will need to reach out to > their list and ask. I'll report back when I find out. > > Thank goodness for object nav. > > Robert > > > > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:44 PM, S A. Marositz > wrote: > > Hi Robert > > > > Alt+down errow is supposed to do it. Another option for activating ?split > buttons? is space bar where ?enter? will simply activate it. You are right, > This does not seem to be working in Word 2016 with NVDA. It is with Jaws18 > though. > > > > Best > > Stephen Alexander Marositz JD, CPACC > Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College > Phone: (626) 585-7242 > > > > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 11:23 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word > > > > Hello everyone! I'm using a screen reader with Word 2016 (NVDA to be > specific) and I am trying to figure out how to activate submenus on the > ribbon. For example, the first button off the Home tab is the Paste > button. I have been told, though, that there is an arrow next to it that > when clicked will open a menu with related options, such as Paste Special. > > How does one access this menu with the keyboard? I can get to the paste > button itself, but pressing enter on it of course executes the paste > command. Pressing the applications key or right clicking pulls up another > menu, but not the one I want. I noticed that, with NVDA, routing the > cursor to the object, using some object nav magic then left-clicking > produces the menu with Paste Special, Text Only, etc but there has to be an > easier way...I hope? > > Thanks in advance for your wisdom! > > Robert > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 <(937)%20229-2066> > > Fax: 937-229-3270 <(937)%20229-3270> > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 <(937)%20229-2066> > > Fax: 937-229-3270 <(937)%20229-3270> > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. 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Anyway, we can always move the meeting time back a bit if there's a conflicting event. For those of you who are part of the UDUC advisory board, I may schedule a short meeting at 6:30 on the same evening, before the ATHEN/AHG meeting. I'll send out more information and confirmation on that shortly. See you next week. Regards, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16, 2018. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Note about dinner/meeting time: I know in some years there's been a Tweet-up event in the evening on Thursday. As a result we've met a little later - about 8:15 in the past. I don't see anything in the schedule (about any evening events except the Tuesday keynote). Anyway, we can always move the meeting time back a bit if there's a conflicting event. For those of you who are part of the UDUC advisory board, I may schedule a short meeting at 6:30 on the same evening, before the ATHEN/AHG meeting. I'll send out more information and confirmation on that shortly. See you next week. Regards, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16, 2018. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From solowoniukr at macewan.ca Tue Mar 13 09:42:48 2018 From: solowoniukr at macewan.ca (Russell Solowoniuk) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word In-Reply-To: References: <47AF97D0-7983-49BA-8F1C-E9E626C98675@macewan.ca> Message-ID: Hi Robert, The only way I can get the Home tab to open is to press enter. Pressing tab takes me to the search field and pressing the down arrow takes me to a menu with things like ?undo typing?, ?redo typing?, ?save?, but no paste options. This behavior seems random, and at different times will behave differently. Like you say, it will be nice when MS gets some consistency in its ribbons. Thanks, Russell From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 7:25 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word I am running 365 at home and enterprise/professional or whatever it's called at work. At home I can alt+down on the paste button to get the menu that I mentioned, which I cannot do at work. Also, at home I'm running the next snapshot of NVDA and at work the stable version. So the difference lies somewhere I think. The behavior with pressing enter on the home tab is the same in both environments, however; I have to press tab on Home, not enter or else I'll be returned to the document. In File Explorer, though, I have to press enter on the tab to activate it. I do notice that these tabs say, tab sub menu, so maybe that's the difference. Here's hoping that Microsoft can eventually provide some consistency here... Thanks, Robert On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 4:56 PM, Russell Solowoniuk > wrote: Hi Robert, I am running Office 2016 as well, but it?s part of the Office 365 package. I?m not sure if that would make any difference at all. Who knows though, right? :) Thanks, Russell From: athen-list > on behalf of Robert Spangler > Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:28 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word Hello, I'm on NVDA 2017.4 as well. When I press alt, the ribbon activates and I am placed on the Home tab. However, if I press enter on Home it just throws me back into the document; I have to tab from the ribbon strip in order to see the options. This has always been the case in Word as far back as I can remember; although, in other ribbons throughout Windows and Office, it is indeed necessary to hit enter on the tab first. This is another reason I've always been frustrated with these ribbons, because the ways of interacting with them have not been consistent. I have since accepted that the ribbons are here to stay, but it doesn't mean I have to like them. Haha. In either case, I do have JAWS installed on here so I'll give that a try and see what my results are. What version of Office are you using, because that could also make a difference. I'm on 2016. Thanks again, Robert On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Russell Solowoniuk > wrote: Hi Robert, What version of NVDA are you running? I just tried going to the Home tab in MS Word 2016 with NVDA 2017.4. I press the alt key to go to the Home tab. I then press enter to open the home tab, and I land on the Paste button. I press alt + down arrow, and am in a list of paste options, ?Use destination theme?, ?Paste Special?, ?Keep source formatting?, etc. Thanks, Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [acEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 1:28 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word Thanks everyone for your responses. Neither of these suggestions work with NVDA. I will need to reach out to their list and ask. I'll report back when I find out. Thank goodness for object nav. Robert On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:44 PM, S A. Marositz > wrote: Hi Robert Alt+down errow is supposed to do it. Another option for activating ?split buttons? is space bar where ?enter? will simply activate it. You are right, This does not seem to be working in Word 2016 with NVDA. It is with Jaws18 though. Best Stephen Alexander Marositz JD, CPACC Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College Phone: (626) 585-7242 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 11:23 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word Hello everyone! I'm using a screen reader with Word 2016 (NVDA to be specific) and I am trying to figure out how to activate submenus on the ribbon. For example, the first button off the Home tab is the Paste button. I have been told, though, that there is an arrow next to it that when clicked will open a menu with related options, such as Paste Special. How does one access this menu with the keyboard? I can get to the paste button itself, but pressing enter on it of course executes the paste command. Pressing the applications key or right clicking pulls up another menu, but not the one I want. I noticed that, with NVDA, routing the cursor to the object, using some object nav magic then left-clicking produces the menu with Paste Special, Text Only, etc but there has to be an easier way...I hope? Thanks in advance for your wisdom! Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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Joshua Hori Accessible Technology Analyst Student Disability Center 54 Cowell Building Davis, CA 95616 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 7:04 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 22, 7:30 pm I plan to attend. -Susan From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 7:21 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 22, 7:30 pm Dear Colleagues: As per previous years, I'd like to hold a dinner/meeting at the Harbor House (behind the Grand Hyatt) on Thursday evening (7:30 p.m.), March 22, at CSUN (International Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference) for dinner and for ATHEN members (or others) to provide their input on this year's Accessing Higher Ground conference. Please let me know if you plan to attend so I can guestimate the right size table. Note about dinner/meeting time: I know in some years there's been a Tweet-up event in the evening on Thursday. As a result we've met a little later - about 8:15 in the past. I don't see anything in the schedule (about any evening events except the Tuesday keynote). Anyway, we can always move the meeting time back a bit if there's a conflicting event. For those of you who are part of the UDUC advisory board, I may schedule a short meeting at 6:30 on the same evening, before the ATHEN/AHG meeting. I'll send out more information and confirmation on that shortly. See you next week. Regards, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16, 2018. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Not yet a member of AHEAD? 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Chris Frazier Vice President - Sales and Business Development VZP Digital 303-870-2258 www.vzpdigital.com [VZP Digital Logo_small] Best, ~Joshua From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 7:04 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 22, 7:30 pm I plan to attend. -Susan From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 7:21 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 22, 7:30 pm Dear Colleagues: As per previous years, I'd like to hold a dinner/meeting at the Harbor House (behind the Grand Hyatt) on Thursday evening (7:30 p.m.), March 22, at CSUN (International Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference) for dinner and for ATHEN members (or others) to provide their input on this year's Accessing Higher Ground conference. Please let me know if you plan to attend so I can guestimate the right size table. Note about dinner/meeting time: I know in some years there's been a Tweet-up event in the evening on Thursday. As a result we've met a little later - about 8:15 in the past. I don't see anything in the schedule (about any evening events except the Tuesday keynote). Anyway, we can always move the meeting time back a bit if there's a conflicting event. For those of you who are part of the UDUC advisory board, I may schedule a short meeting at 6:30 on the same evening, before the ATHEN/AHG meeting. I'll send out more information and confirmation on that shortly. See you next week. Regards, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16, 2018. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Not yet a member of AHEAD? 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I know there's issues with Pearson, and McGraw, do give any suggestions? Kenneth Elkind Disability Support Services Bunker Hill Community College 250 Rutherford Ave Charletown,MA 02129 617-228-2234 kelkind@bhcc.mass.edu Disability Support Services Website http://www.bhcc.edu/disabilitysupportservices/ Test Request Form https://bunkerhillcc.us2.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_42hfNlyGZzgC5fv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norm.coombs at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 11:12:49 2018 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Norm Coombs) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Chrome accessibility Message-ID: <9da86913-836c-0b8f-cf03-d6e7d80c1513@gmail.com> I am looking for someone familiar with chrome who would be willing to do a webinar on it for me and EASI. It could cover configuring it and understanding its features and settings and also its accessibility features. If someone on this list will offer or if you can suggest someone, email me Norm norm.coombs@gmail.com From hkramer at ahead.org Thu Mar 15 14:31:16 2018 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Presenting at CSUN? Please help us distribute AHG RFP postcards Message-ID: Dear Colleagues: The AHG 2018 request for proposals has now opened. If any of you are presenting (or are very outgoing) and would like to help distribute the AHG RFP postcard, you can pick some up at the DO-IT booth (#907). Thanks in advance. Regards, Howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Thu Mar 15 15:54:29 2018 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Flyer version of AHG RFP Message-ID: Here's a flyer version of the RFP for those who may want the info. I plan to have some hard copies with me also. -howard -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. 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Presenter: Steve Jacobs: IDEAL Group, Inc. | Apps4Android, Inc. | Inftyreader Group, Inc. Learn about IDEAL Group's new Android transcription Real-Time Text (RTT) communications application, Speech2RTT. It was designed to help more than 45 million Americans with hearing loss and speech disabilities. Speech2RTT is an Android application that enables people who are deaf, hard of hearing, and non-verbal to communicate with anyone, including people who can hear and speak, using their Android smartphone.? It works across all wireless networks. Speech2RTT? transcribes and then streams the text of what is being said, in real-time, between individuals. If a user cannot speak, or opts not to speak, they can type what they want to say, in real-time. Speech2RTT is available on Google Play and accommodates transcribing any one of 68 languages. Communications are 100% private. No live communications assistants (CAs) are involved. No limits are imposed on the length of a communication. Best of all, it is being offered at no cost until October 1, 2018, at which time a $12 annual fee will be assessed for continued use.? According to Steve Jacobs, President of IDEAL Group, "Speech2RTT will impact the telecom market by reducing cost, increasing competition, and offering more choices to consumers. Our goal is to increase the independence of individuals who are deaf, hard of hearing, and non-verbal and Speech2RTT takes us a giant step in that direction.? To register for this free webinar, go to http://easi.cc/clinic.htm Look under March webinars Norm Coombs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Fri Mar 16 13:18:11 2018 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Flyer version of AHG RFP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There were a couple of wording errors/typos in that flyer. Here's an update version. Thanks, Howard On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 4:54 PM, Howard Kramer wrote: > Here's a flyer version of the RFP for those who may want the info. I plan > to have some hard copies with me also. > > -howard > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 13-17, 2017. > Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! > * And the *Technology > Access Series *. > Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your > earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > * > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16, 2018. Request for proposals will be announced mid-March. 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Why my employers weren't more demanding since their focus was on accessibility . . . well, we'll skip that, but suffice to say, they're former employers. And "something, something" re. eating one's own dog food. I do know that bugs have been filed by folks, over the years, though clearly that didn't work. Hope they move quickly, and I sure as heck hope they get real people with disabilities to test, instead of relying on one person just playing around with VO. Yes, you gotta start somewhere, but I'm not sure this is how to start, much less to understand where fundamental blockages are. I also find it interesting that I don't hear of many/anyone using these products much any more; it may be too little too late, but let's hope not. Now, I'll go back to keeping my opinions to myself; we all have too much work to do. Jennifer [who is tired of feeling like she has to be grateful for crumbs because crumbs do not scale!!] How we stopped making excuses and started improving Basecamp?s accessibility https://m.signalvnoise.com/how-we-stopped-making-excuses-and-started-improving-basecamps-accessibility-5f45eb246aa3 From smtreris at syr.edu Tue Mar 20 06:15:50 2018 From: smtreris at syr.edu (Sharon M Trerise) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Tableau visualizations Message-ID: <75b3a5f070c74bb9b82bcd47f0638344@syr.edu> The last discussion I can find in the ATHEN archives is from 2015. My understanding is that the latest version of Tableau implemented some significant accessibility improvements. Does anyone have recommendations for creating accessible visualizations with Tableau? I've found significant issues with screen reader access when trying to read data visualizations. Even though the data points appear in text on mouseover, they don't seem to be available to the screen reader. Does anyone have experience with Narratives for Tableau (https://narrativescience.com/Partners/Business-Intelligence/Tableau) which claims to create automated explanations of the visualizations? Thanks. Sharon Sharon Trerise | IT Accessibility Support Services Information Technology Services 1-234 CST Syracuse University Syracuse, New York 13244 t 315.443.2143 e smtreris@syr.edu w its.syr.edu SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY syr.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.joanisse at museedelhistoire.ca Tue Mar 20 06:39:23 2018 From: michael.joanisse at museedelhistoire.ca (Michael Joanisse) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Misunderstanding on Closed Caption Rule Message-ID: <4ED5166A044EE346ACC5E024D02D69F3014169C3B0@CMCWEXC072.civilisations.ca> Hi everyone, Excuse my na?vety, but when at AHEAD this year, I was sure that on multiple cases it was said that "Closed captions need to be ON by default". I can't find any resources supporting that fact, can someone help clarify that for me? Thanks in advance, Michel Joanisse D?veloppeur web ? Full Stack ? Mus?e canadien de l?histoire et Mus?e canadien de la guerre Full Stack Developer Canadian Museum of History and Canadian War Museum 100 rue Laurier Street, Gatineau QC K1A 0M8 T 819-776-7184 From info at karlencommunications.com Tue Mar 20 06:48:29 2018 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Project on barriers to print-impaired students finding information In-Reply-To: References: , , , <63d04decc2da434683e9e4c70b8fa536@BFEX01.ad.mmu.ac.uk> , <56a75b6cbf614602a610904ebf849eb4@exc-mailbox3.leedsbeckett.ac.uk> , , , <1fceb5c980744eb3a3553aafa13ae890@exc-mailbox3.leedsbeckett.ac.uk> , , , , , Message-ID: <000001d3c052$21afffb0$650fff10$@karlencommunications.com> Forwarding in case some of your students might be interested in this project. Cheers, Karen From: The Disability-Research Discussion List On Behalf Of Sarah George Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 4:32 PM To: DISABILITY-RESEARCH@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Project on barriers to print-impaired students finding information Dear all Apologies in advance for cross-posting. In order to investigate the impact of reliance on alternative formats (alt-formats) on the learning of print-impaired students, we are running a survey of those delivering alt-format services to examine the scope and scale of current service provision. We hope to follow this up by talking to students who are registered with alt-format services about their experiences. The survey is at https://bradford.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/alternative-formats; it should take approximately 30 minutes to complete. Please forward this to anyone not on these lists who might be interested. Please contact lib-accessibility@bradford.ac.uk with any queries Regards Katherine Coussement (University of Bradford) Gopal Dutta (Manchester Metropolitan University) Sarah George (University of Bradford) Alistair McNaught (JISC) Sue Smith (Leeds Beckett University) Stuart Walker (University of Bradford) To lis-accessibility, dis-forum, ________________End of message________________ This Disability-Research Discussion list is managed by the Centre for Disability Studies at the University of Leeds (www.leeds.ac.uk/disability-studies ). Enquiries about list administration should be sent to disability-research-request@jiscmail.ac.uk Archives and tools are located at: www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/disability-research.html You can VIEW, POST, JOIN and LEAVE the list by logging in to this web page. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My understanding is that the latest version of Tableau implemented some significant accessibility improvements. Does anyone have recommendations for creating accessible visualizations with Tableau? I?ve found significant issues with screen reader access when trying to read data visualizations. Even though the data points appear in text on mouseover, they don?t seem to be available to the screen reader. Does anyone have experience with Narratives for Tableau (https://narrativescience.com/Partners/Business-Intelligence/Tableau) which claims to create automated explanations of the visualizations? Thanks. Sharon Sharon Trerise | IT Accessibility Support Services Information Technology Services 1-234 CST Syracuse University Syracuse, New York 13244 t 315.443.2143 e smtreris@syr.edu w its.syr.edu SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY syr.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The problem is that none of the free tools that I've found are accessible for course designers (or they require far more technical knowledge than I have) and the one accessible LMS that I know about (D2L) costs quite a bit of money. I am not looking to sell the content/courses I create at first. My primary goal at the moment is finding a platform to publish and share my creations on the web (possibly with friends, family, and co-workers), while building my knowledge and skills and having fun creating some accessible training modules. I know some HTML 5 and JavaScript, to create most of what I want (though an accessible WYSIWYG) would be a nice option for those times where my ambitions exceed my coding knowledge. Does anybody know of one or two free accessible Learning Management or Learning Content Management Systems that I can try out? Thanks, Tristen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deb.castiglione at cengage.com Tue Mar 20 18:29:31 2018 From: deb.castiglione at cengage.com (Castiglione, Deb A) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] Help finding Free and Accessible eLearning Design and publishing In-Reply-To: <003101d3c0b2$ca073ce0$5e15b6a0$@gmail.com> References: <003101d3c0b2$ca073ce0$5e15b6a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7765B9D2-49E0-4E70-A1D7-2D4289B30E97@cengage.com> Tristen: Both Blackboard and Canvas offer sites where you can create courses/learning content for free. You first need to set-up an account. Blackboard?s is COURSEsites. Canvas has one as well. Deb From: athen-list on behalf of Tristen Breitenfeldt Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 9:22 PM To: "athen-list@u.washington.edu" Subject: [Athen] Help finding Free and Accessible eLearning Design and publishing Hello, I am a blind screen reader user (mostly JAWS) and I have a passion for accessible eLearning. I currently work as an accessibility tester for a large company, but in addition to my day job, I am trying to learn a bit more about Instructional Design during my personal time, because I would really like to balance my job of accessibility testing with some accessible creation. I have a subscription to LinkedIn Learning and some other training materials on the topic, but I do not have access to the technology needed to design, build, and publish eLearning content. The problem is that none of the free tools that I?ve found are accessible for course designers (or they require far more technical knowledge than I have) and the one accessible LMS that I know about (D2L) costs quite a bit of money. I am not looking to sell the content/courses I create at first? My primary goal at the moment is finding a platform to publish and share my creations on the web (possibly with friends, family, and co-workers), while building my knowledge and skills and having fun creating some accessible training modules. I know some HTML 5 and JavaScript, to create most of what I want (though an accessible WYSIWYG) would be a nice option for those times where my ambitions exceed my coding knowledge. Does anybody know of one or two free accessible Learning Management or Learning Content Management Systems that I can try out? Thanks, Tristen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Wed Mar 21 11:56:46 2018 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] embosser software Message-ID: I'm passing this on for Robin Paulson who is a Disability Coordinator at the Community College of Denver. They lack an AT Specialist at the moment and are asking for advice. Please copy her on your response. Thanks everyone! I wanted to enquire about what ATHES members thought about better software for the Phoenix embosser. I'm using Firebird ok but it's clumsy. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you and we look forward to your response. *NDC | nav team* *Tia Ivanko, Lore Kinast, Dave Litman, & Stephanie Zito* National Deaf Center on Postsecondary Outcomes (NDC) help@nationaldeafcenter.org nationaldeafcenter.org Sign up for our Newsletter or Listserv *Connect with NDC!* NDC is a technical assistance and dissemination center funded by the U.S. Department of Education, OSEP #HD326D160001. Disclaimer: the contents of this email do not necessarily represent the policy of the U.S. Department of Education, and you should not assume endorsement by the federal government. On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Michael Joanisse < michael.joanisse@museedelhistoire.ca> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Excuse my na?vety, but when at AHEAD this year, I was sure that on > multiple cases it was said that "Closed captions need to be ON by default". > > I can't find any resources supporting that fact, can someone help clarify > that for me? > > Thanks in advance, > > Michel Joanisse > D?veloppeur web ? Full Stack ? > Mus?e canadien de l?histoire et Mus?e canadien de la guerre > Full Stack Developer > Canadian Museum of History and Canadian War Museum > 100 rue Laurier Street, Gatineau QC K1A 0M8 > T 819-776-7184 > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That's what I recommend for my students with LD and math disabilities. https://www.cwu.edu/central-access/reader Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Steven Sullam Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:17 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] MathType Question Hello, I have always been impressed with the universal design characteristics of MathType especially when used with speech by having the math read by NVDA. I would like some advice on optimizing it for use with the mouse for students with LD. After hours of searching I found the MathPlayer applet in the windows control panel with various settings for Learning Disabilities, Low Vision, and Blind. I played around with those settings but am still finding the navigation hard to control. Also I recall there were settings in MathType for optimizing the verbosity when creating the math for blind or LD. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Best, [cid:image001.png@01D3C1D7.6E18E110] Steven A. Sullam M.S. Assistant Director of Assistive Technology Ph. 718.982.3343 Bldg. 1N 115 College of Staten Island City University of New York 2800 Victory Boulevard Staten Island, NY 10314 [cid:image002.png@01D3C1D7.6E18E110] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 4221 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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With Able Player, and with any other media player that supports captions, it's easy to turn them off. It's also easy for people who need them to turn them on. And most media players remember the user's choice so they only have to set it once. For me, the question of which should take precedence has mostly to do with how critical the need is. The "Captions On" group of users has a need, whereas the "Captions Off" group of users has a preference, and personally I think a need should take precedence over a preference. Regards, Terrill --- Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology University of Washington tft@uw.edu On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 1:57 PM, NDC Nav Team wrote: > Greetings Michel, > > The NDC| nav team saw your posting on the ATHEN listserv and we hope to > contribute more to the discussion about closed captioning settings. Can you > elaborate on the your current situation in regards to closed captioning? > This will help us better respond to your inquiry. Thank you and we look > forward to your response. > > *NDC | nav team* > *Tia Ivanko, Lore Kinast, Dave Litman, & Stephanie Zito* > National Deaf Center on Postsecondary Outcomes (NDC) > help@nationaldeafcenter.org > nationaldeafcenter.org > Sign up for our Newsletter or Listserv > > > *Connect with NDC!* > > > > > NDC is a technical assistance and dissemination center funded by the U.S. > Department of Education, OSEP #HD326D160001. Disclaimer: the contents of > this email do not necessarily represent the policy of the U.S. Department > of Education, and you should not assume endorsement by the federal > government. > > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Michael Joanisse museedelhistoire.ca> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Excuse my na?vety, but when at AHEAD this year, I was sure that on >> multiple cases it was said that "Closed captions need to be ON by default". >> >> I can't find any resources supporting that fact, can someone help clarify >> that for me? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Michel Joanisse >> D?veloppeur web ? Full Stack ? >> Mus?e canadien de l?histoire et Mus?e canadien de la guerre >> Full Stack Developer >> Canadian Museum of History and Canadian War Museum >> 100 rue Laurier Street, Gatineau QC K1A 0M8 >> T 819-776-7184 >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Thu Mar 22 18:48:16 2018 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 22, 7:30 pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello All: Just wanted to confirm our dinner/meeting at the Harbor House at 7:30. We already have a table by the window. My cell is 720-351-8668 if anyone has a problem finding the place or the table. Regards, Howard On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Howard Kramer wrote: > Dear Colleagues: > > As per previous years, I'd like to hold a dinner/meeting at the Harbor > House (behind the Grand Hyatt) on Thursday evening (7:30 p.m.), March 22, > at CSUN (International Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference) > for dinner and for ATHEN members (or others) to provide their input on this > year's Accessing Higher Ground conference. Please let me know if you plan > to attend so I can guestimate the right size table. > > *Note about dinner/meeting time:* I know in some years there's been a > Tweet-up event in the evening on Thursday. As a result we've met a little > later - about 8:15 in the past. I don't see anything in the schedule (about > any evening events except the Tuesday keynote). Anyway, we can always move > the meeting time back a bit if there's a conflicting event. > > For those of you who are part of the UDUC advisory board, I may schedule a > short meeting at 6:30 on the same evening, before the ATHEN/AHG meeting. > I'll send out more information and confirmation on that shortly. > > See you next week. > > Regards, > Howard > > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> > cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16, 2018. > Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. > > > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > * > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16, 2018. Request for proposals will be announced mid-March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jsuttondc at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 19:22:29 2018 From: jsuttondc at gmail.com (Jennifer Sutton) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] WebAIM Survey of Accessibility Practitioners Message-ID: ATHENites and others: Forgive any cross-posting/duplication. I suspect some may miss this while at CSUN. I do realize that many of you on this email list (ATHEN) focus more on assistive technology than on the web, specifically, but many of you don't, based on the posts I read. Please share with your colleagues; I think it would be great to get a significant response-set, outside the usual echo chamber (or what I sometimes perceive as such, especially on Twitter). As a side note, this is a big reason why I post things to this email list; I think there are a lot of people in the space who don't see information since many on the "inside" tend only to post items to Twitter. That being said, I'm shifting my focus away from web accessibility, so I expect to be posting less here. To that end, for your "web accessibility news fix," some of you might want to subscribe to this Twitter list, maintained by Dennis Lembree: https://twitter.com/#!/webaxe/web-accessibility-3 Best, Jennifer Tweet from @webaim WebAIM @webaim Do you implement accessibility? Please take a few minutes to complete this important Web Accessibility Practitioners Survey - https://webaim.org/projects/practitionersurvey2/ ?Please share and spread the word. 21 March From sherylb at uw.edu Fri Mar 23 02:55:41 2018 From: sherylb at uw.edu (Sheryl E. Burgstahler) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 22, 7:30 pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry to miss the mtg, but couldn?t make it to CSUN this year. Sheryl > On Mar 22, 2018, at 6:48 PM, Howard Kramer wrote: > > Hello All: > > Just wanted to confirm our dinner/meeting at the Harbor House at 7:30. We already have a table by the window. My cell is 720-351-8668 if anyone has a problem finding the place or the table. > > Regards, > Howard > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Howard Kramer > wrote: > Dear Colleagues: > > As per previous years, I'd like to hold a dinner/meeting at the Harbor House (behind the Grand Hyatt) on Thursday evening (7:30 p.m.), March 22, at CSUN (International Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference) for dinner and for ATHEN members (or others) to provide their input on this year's Accessing Higher Ground conference. Please let me know if you plan to attend so I can guestimate the right size table. > > Note about dinner/meeting time: I know in some years there's been a Tweet-up event in the evening on Thursday. As a result we've met a little later - about 8:15 in the past. I don't see anything in the schedule (about any evening events except the Tuesday keynote). Anyway, we can always move the meeting time back a bit if there's a conflicting event. > > For those of you who are part of the UDUC advisory board, I may schedule a short meeting at 6:30 on the same evening, before the ATHEN/AHG meeting. I'll send out more information and confirmation on that shortly. > > See you next week. > > Regards, > Howard > > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 > cell: 720-351-8668 > > Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground?Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16, 2018. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > > > > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 > cell: 720-351-8668 > > Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground?Conference in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16, 2018. Request for proposals will be announced mid-March. > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series . Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My cell is 720-351-8668 if anyone has a > problem finding the place or the table. > > Regards, > Howard > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 7:20 PM, Howard Kramer wrote: > >> Dear Colleagues: >> >> As per previous years, I'd like to hold a dinner/meeting at the Harbor >> House (behind the Grand Hyatt) on Thursday evening (7:30 p.m.), March 22, >> at CSUN (International Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference) >> for dinner and for ATHEN members (or others) to provide their input on this >> year's Accessing Higher Ground conference. Please let me know if you plan >> to attend so I can guestimate the right size table. >> >> *Note about dinner/meeting time:* I know in some years there's been a >> Tweet-up event in the evening on Thursday. As a result we've met a little >> later - about 8:15 in the past. I don't see anything in the schedule (about >> any evening events except the Tuesday keynote). Anyway, we can always move >> the meeting time back a bit if there's a conflicting event. >> >> For those of you who are part of the UDUC advisory board, I may schedule >> a short meeting at 6:30 on the same evening, before the ATHEN/AHG meeting. >> I'll send out more information and confirmation on that shortly. >> >> See you next week. >> >> Regards, >> Howard >> >> >> -- >> Howard Kramer >> Conference Coordinator >> Accessing Higher Ground >> 303-492-8672 <(303)%20492-8672> >> cell: 720-351-8668 <(720)%20351-8668> >> >> Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference >> * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16, >> 2018. Request for proposals will be announced at the beginning of March. >> >> >> Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. >> * >> >> > > > -- > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 > cell: 720-351-8668 > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16, 2018. > Request for proposals will be announced mid-March. > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! > * And the *Technology > Access Series *. > Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your > earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > * > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16, 2018. Request for proposals will be announced mid-March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From todd.schwanke at wisc.edu Fri Mar 23 07:49:11 2018 From: todd.schwanke at wisc.edu (Todd Schwanke) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Issue with Firefly/Kurzweil 3000 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Byron: We experienced this with Mac users back in November 2016. It is likely saying "circumflex". Updating to the current patch fixed it. Seemed to have something to do with the OCR processing, and it only occurred in the Mac version at that time. Todd Schwanke McBurney Disability Resource Center UW-Madison www.mcburney.wisc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 8:52 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Issue with Firefly/Kurzweil 3000 HI all, A student who uses Kurzweil 3000 on his laptop stated that every time the voice gets to quotation marks and occasionally apostrophes, it will say "circumplex" no matter what voice or item he is trying to have read to him. Has anyone else experienced this? If so, is there a fix? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Adjunct Professor College of Health, Education & Professional Studies The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 103 Frist Hall 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc A member of the Division of Student Development -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu Fri Mar 23 08:00:09 2018 From: Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu (Kluesner, Bryon) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Issue with Firefly/Kurzweil 3000 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Todd, I will double check with the student on whether they are using a Mac and update to the current patch and see if this works. Bryon From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Todd Schwanke Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 10:49 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Issue with Firefly/Kurzweil 3000 Hi Byron: We experienced this with Mac users back in November 2016. It is likely saying "circumflex". Updating to the current patch fixed it. Seemed to have something to do with the OCR processing, and it only occurred in the Mac version at that time. Todd Schwanke McBurney Disability Resource Center UW-Madison www.mcburney.wisc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 8:52 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Issue with Firefly/Kurzweil 3000 HI all, A student who uses Kurzweil 3000 on his laptop stated that every time the voice gets to quotation marks and occasionally apostrophes, it will say "circumplex" no matter what voice or item he is trying to have read to him. Has anyone else experienced this? If so, is there a fix? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Adjunct Professor College of Health, Education & Professional Studies The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 103 Frist Hall 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc A member of the Division of Student Development -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dawn ~~~~~~~~ MC#3: Growing an IT Accessibility Program on your Campus Rob Eveleigh, Amherst, Hampshire, Mount Holyoke, and Smith Colleges Rachel Thompson, University of Alabama Dawn Hunziker, University of Arizona Higher education institutions are under increased scrutiny as to their institutional approach for ensuring accessibility in Web and information technology. While the Department of Justice and the Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights have issued guidance regarding institutional obligations for ensuring access for students with disabilities, colleges and universities still struggle with how to address such obligations within the context of policy, procedure, and implementation. A benefit of recent compliance reviews, resolution agreements, and consent decrees is that they serve as a blueprint for developing and refining policy and practice. Building an accessible electronic and information technology (EIT) environment requires engagement by a wide variety of institutional stakeholders, including those within IT departments, disability services, faculty, libraries, procurement, and other campus units. This dynamic, interactive workshop is presented by members of the Access Technology Higher Education Network (ATHEN) and includes foundational legal information offered by guest presenter Paul Grossman, an analysis of federal agreements, and presentation and discussion of best practice approaches. In addition to on-site presenters, the session will include live, remote national experts sharing perspectives and best practices on specific topics. Together, this information will prepare IT staff, disability service providers, managers, and other campus stakeholders to work through institutional challenges to create a strategic, and comprehensive approach for creating an accessible EIT environment. Session leaders will provide models for decision-making and communication, guidance on policy and procedure development, and strategies for growing campus-wide involvement. The face-to-face workshop includes: * Review of relevant disability laws, federal resolution agreements and consent decrees and their application to institutional access to EIT * Policies and procedures that support institutional obligations, including the building of an EIT Accessibility Program to best address individual campus goals and strategies * Review of current EIT accessibility standards and the scope of such standards to EIT products and services * Self-evaluation protocols to help determine and prioritize individual campus goals and strategies. * Strategies for building campus accessibility teams to create and implement an EIT Accessibility Roadmap. * Communication Plans to promote and support a campus-wide EIT Accessibility Program * Goals and strategies for ensuring accessible documents, communications and media * Implementation of campus-wide solutions for web accessibility assessment and training * Procurement and Development of Accessible EIT Products & Services * Procurement policy and procedures for including accessibility as part of information technology acquisition and development * Accessibility testing methodologies for review of electronic content and information technology systems * Strategies for engaging with vendors to address EIT product accessibility * Equally Effective Alternative Access Plans (EEAAPs) ~~ Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant Disability Resource Center University of Arizona 520-626-9409 hunziker@email.arizona.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.noble at louisville.edu Mon Mar 26 13:34:57 2018 From: steve.noble at louisville.edu (Noble,Stephen L.) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] MathType Question In-Reply-To: <49715ae955b84261aec8b52d04f37f13@CSI-EX01.FLAS.CSI.CUNY.EDU> References: <49715ae955b84261aec8b52d04f37f13@CSI-EX01.FLAS.CSI.CUNY.EDU> Message-ID: You may find that setting the workspace preferences targets to "large" will be helpful to students with learning disabilities. See this page for more information: https://www.dessci.com/en/support/mathplayer/tsn/tsn112.htm Even though the page is focused on low-vision, making things larger and easier to click on is often helpful. Also, another way of making MathType easier to use with a mouse is to customize the symbol palette so that expressions which are commonly used in a particular course are located on the same tab. See this page for more details: http://dessci.com/en/support/mathtype/tsn/tsn117.htm#Saving_frequently_used_symbols_to_the_MathType_toolbars When you say you are "still finding the navigation hard to control" do you mean listening to the expression being read? Other than MathPlayer's demo speech mode, the only way you will get speech navigation to work in Word is to use NVDA. Here's the documentation on how that works: https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/navigation_commands.htm Hope that helps. --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Steven Sullam Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 12:17 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] MathType Question Hello, I have always been impressed with the universal design characteristics of MathType especially when used with speech by having the math read by NVDA. 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URL: From lgreco at berkeley.edu Tue Mar 27 11:36:04 2018 From: lgreco at berkeley.edu (Lucy Greco) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Tableau visualizations In-Reply-To: <029963B1-6E41-4625-8DCB-DA6135F9968C@mit.edu> References: <029963B1-6E41-4625-8DCB-DA6135F9968C@mit.edu> Message-ID: hello: i would also love to see what you find thanks Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:17 AM, Kathleen Cahill wrote: > Hi Sharon, > > > We are evaluating accessibility of some Tableau visualizations currently > with one of our departments. We?d be happy to share some information. > We?re meeting with a developer in our IT department who works on Tableau > and can follow up with information after that. > > Kathy > > > > > > Kathy Cahill > > Associate Dean, Accessibility and Usability > > MIT Office of Undergraduate Education > > 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 > > Cambridge MA 02139 > > kcahill@mit.edu > > (617) 253-5111 > > > > > > > > *From: *athen-list on > behalf of Sharon M Trerise > *Reply-To: *Access Network > *Date: *Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 9:15 AM > *To: *Access Network > *Subject: *[Athen] Tableau visualizations > > > > The last discussion I can find in the ATHEN archives is from 2015. My > understanding is that the latest version of Tableau implemented some > significant accessibility improvements. > > > > Does anyone have recommendations for creating accessible visualizations > with Tableau? I?ve found significant issues with screen reader access when > trying to read data visualizations. Even though the data points appear in > text on mouseover, they don?t seem to be available to the screen reader. > > > > Does anyone have experience with Narratives for Tableau ( > https://narrativescience.com/Partners/Business-Intelligence/Tableau) > which claims to create automated explanations of the visualizations? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Sharon > > > > *Sharon Trerise* | IT Accessibility Support Services > > Information Technology Services > 1-234 CST > Syracuse University > Syracuse, New York 13244 > > *t* 315.443.2143 <(315)%20443-2143> *e* smtreris@syr.edu *w* its.syr.edu > > *SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY* > syr.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have any questions about proposal submission, contact Howard Kramer at 303-492-8672 or at the email below. e-mail: ahg@ahead.org Conference URL: http://accessinghigherground.org/ -- Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Denver, Colorado, Nov 12-16, 2018. Request for proposals will be announced mid-March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, *AHEADtoYOU! * And the *Technology Access Series *. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 11:18 AM Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > > > Does anyone know of a site that identifies the amount spent on textbooks > for those in higher education/colleges/universities? > > > > I know the Access Board cited that in the US academic institutions spend > $79 Billion with a B for LMS?s per year. 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When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you expect to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab?Agree with German consistency is most important. It is best to land consistently on the first item ?File?. * *2. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as:* *Ideally we want to see the ribbon utilize tab panel implementation. This means one tab in and one tab out for consistency with the desktop experience. Tell Me, Edit in Word, are functionally different from Tabs (home, insert, etc). If we use the tab panel implementation then the Upper Ribbon and Lower Ribbon into 1 UI surface, and peripheral another UI surface. Otherwise if not tab panel Upper Ribbon > Lower Ribbon > peripheral controls. * *a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surfaceb. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the lower ribbon to be another UI surfacec. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the peripheral controls to be another UI surfaced. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and lower ribbon to be another UI surfaceRibbonUpper RibbonNote: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls:? File? Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View)? Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share)1. When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you to Home or (b) stay on File?* *Need to make it consistent with desktop, is File button part of the tab list or not. If it is part of the tab list, then yes arrow should take you to home. Because in Desktop Word, the File, Home, Insert etc appears as one tablist unit. * *2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you to Share or (b) stay on File?* *If file is part of the tab list, then Ideally it should go into the last item in the tablist which is ?View? (not share). If it is not part of the tab list then arrow should not move. * *3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it?* *When arrowing through the tabs, it should not activate them. Consistent with Desktop* *4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab?* *First off depends if we want file in the tab list. Regardless left arrow should cycle through the tab list (upper ribbon) so it should go to view/file. Not Share because it doesn?t seem like it?s part of the tab list. * *5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab?* *It should not take you to peripheral controls. It should take you to what is defined as the first item within that tab list. Currently, it should be ?Home?. * *6. Does Tab (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon?* *Ideally we would want the following tab stop: File, Tabs, Lower Ribbon, Peripheral Controls. Hadi sees the peripheral controls as ?Search/help? . * *7. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group?* *It should be completely symmetrical to our suggestion in #6. When shift tabbing from lower ribbon to upper ribbon, focus should go back onto the active item. * *8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing?* *Do nothing. * *9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing?* *Do nothing. * *Lower RibbonNote: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 group.1. Does Tab (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first item in each group?* *None of the above, tab should move into the lower ribbon, and another tab should move out of the lower ribbon. We propose using arrow keys to move between the different groupings. * *2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group?* *Completely symmetrical to #1. * *3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does Tab and Shift-Tab (a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop?* *In our ideal solution, it should loop through both ribbon and headers. * On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:42 AM, Fermin, German wrote: > I?m interspersing my comments within the questions. Although I must say > that since I am at a helpdesk for a College and I have been supporting > ribbons for a number of years now, the complexity is not ?perception?, it > is indeed much harder than it needs to be. Hopefully all this feedback will > help. > > > > When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you expect > to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab? > > Feedback: > > I would expect for it to land on File. This brings is consistency to the > experience. Always good to have one starting point less confusing to have > a consistent starting point. > > > > 1. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as: > > a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI > surface > > b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the > lower ribbon to be another UI surface > > c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the > peripheral controls to be another UI surface > > d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and > lower ribbon to be another UI surface > > Feedback: > > Closest would be A. Keep it consistent. It is too easy to get lost in the > dizzying amount of differing options that could be navigated to within both > Word and outlook. If it gets broken up into smaller amounts of groups and > not so many subcategories, easier on the brain. Quicker to get from point A > to point B rather then worrying about which ribbon I?m in and having to > remember that the lower ribbon may have other options that I may or may not > need. I would much rather drill down to get somewhere linearly than tabbing > through 100 controls in order to get to that one thing I need to change. > Ribbon Upper Ribbon > > Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls: > > ? File > > ? Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View) > > ? Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share) > > 1. When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you > to Home or (b) stay on File? > > Feedback: > > Stay on file because that is a button and not a tab. A button is to be > pressed to activate a function. In this case we have File tab buttons. > That?s confusing. Which is it? > > > > 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you > to Share or (b) stay on File? > > Feedback: > > I would expect for it to go to another button. Just like if I was > navigating through tabs, I would expect for it to go to another tab. > > > > 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the > tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it? > > Feedback: > > A. If I move focus to another tab, I expect focus to be there as well. I > may not do anything within that tab but if I?m focused in a tab, I want to > be able to make changes in that now focus and active tab. > > > > 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) > File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab? > > Feedback: > > If I hit left arrow, I expect to cycle through the different tabs within > that level. Just like if I went with the right arrow. > > > > 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) > Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab? > > Feedback: > > Same as above. I expect to go to the next tab. Tell me still appears to be > a keyboard trap for me. > > > > 6. Does *Tab* (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, > (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral > controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon? > > Feedback: > > Currently it seems like it does a mixture of all three. I would align > closest to B. If I use tab, I expect to hit the controls that are in the > tab I selected/activated. > > > > 7. Does *Shift + Tab* (a) take you through each item in reverse > order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral > controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited > item in each group? > > Feedback: > > Shift+tab should take you through the reverse order of the tab you are in > within the same level. If this is a different experience going backwards, > that?s just confusing. If I start having different experiences depending on > which direction I?m going in, that makes it conditional and leaving it up > to the user to remember. Also, if the experiences changes like that, I > would imagine that it would be also hard to update since it?s conditional > on the programming side. I?m others can speak to this. > > > > 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to > the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below > the tab, or (c) do nothing? > > Feedback: > > To keep it consistent, tab would go to the first item associated with that > tab header. So C in this case. > > > > 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the > first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the > tab, or (c) do nothing? > > Feedback: > > To keep it consistent, same as above. If you are on tab headers and you > hit up arrow, it should do nothing. > > > Lower Ribbon > > Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group > contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 > group. > > 1. Does *Tab* (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first > item in each group? > > Feedback: > > Take you through each item in each group. Whether they are groups or tabs, > the experience should remain the same. > > > > 2. Does *Shift + Tab* (a) take you through each item in reverse > order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each > group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? > > Feedback: > > Take you through items in reverse order. The rest of the choices add > layers of confusion. > > > > 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does *Tab* and* > Shift-Tab *(a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the > lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop? > > Feedback: > > It should loop within the chosen tab. > > > > 4. Does *CTRL + left/right arrow* (a) jump you through each group, > with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing? > > Feedback: > > I would choose A but what is exactly is the difference between > > a group from a tab? Is the experience suppose to be different? Is > control+left or right arrow suppose to replace control+tab and shift tab? > > > > 5. If you selected ?A? for #4, does *CTRL + left/right arrow* (a) > loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop? > > Feedback: > > If control+left or right arrow for navigating through groups, it should > loop through the groups, not the items within the group. That should be > reserved for tabbing. > > > > 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the > lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow > left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop > you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab? > > Feedback: > > If I am at the end of the items and I tab, I expect to loop within that > section. Taking to the next tab is only going to confuse me. I choose C. > > > > 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) > nothing? > > 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) > nothing? > > Feedback: > > Nothing on both of these. Although I think this is worth talking through. > Problem with this is I never remember which key I am suppose to use for > navigating or activating things. > > > Menus Menu items only > > 1. Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then > hitting the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other > end? > > Feedback: > > Loop to the other end. I always expect that and if I don?t get that I get > confused and start second guessing thinking that perhaps I missed something. > > > Menu items + submenus > > 1. Does *Alt* within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) > only one level at a time? > > Feedback: > > Dismiss the whole chain. I guess I?m so use to hitting alt to get to a > menu or out of them. To me it has always been like a toggle. Alt to > activate the menu and alt to be out of that menu. > > > > 2. Does *Esc *within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) > only one level at a time? > > Feedback: > > Escapes at the moment seems to go back one level at a time in some cases. > If it did that consistently, it would make sense. > > > Menu items + combo boxes/spinners/checkboxes > > 1. Does hitting *Enter* when focus is on a combo box, spinner, or > checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus > still on the control? > > Feedback: > > It would really depend on what actions were available. If only one action > can be performed within that combo box I would expect for it to be closed. > I would closest align with A. Although, I want focus to remain just in case > I want to confirm my changes. > > > > 2. Does hitting *Enter* when focus is on a combo box, spinner, or > checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with > focus still on the control? > > Feedback: > > Same as above. IS this the same question or am I missing something? > > > > 3. Does typing a new value in a combo box or spinner and then > hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it? > > Feedback: > > Strongly align with A. Resetting it after tabbing could only be compared > to a nightmare. If a screen reader can only focus on one thing at a time, > resetting the values would only add another layer of complexity. If I?m > following instructions from a web page and I have cycle through the windows > after following the instructions? Resetting, reading, resetting, reading > etc. > > > Menu items + menu sections > > 1. Does *Tab* (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the > first item in each menu section? > > Feedback: > > Traditionally, if I?m traveling through menu?s, I am using arrow keys and > not tabbing through them. If I start tabbing, in my mind it is no longer a > menu but a tab. > > > > 2. Does *Shift + Tab* (a) take you through each menu item in > reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last > item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu > section? > > Same as above. If I am tabbing, it?s not a menu. > > > > 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) > stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in > the current menu section? > > Loop in the current menu section. > > > Menu items + grid > > Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed. > > 1. Does entering grid G1 with *Down Arrow* from a menu item enter > G1 at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify? > > Feedback: > > Like most things, I would like consistency and one starting point. If I > enter a grid, I expect to start from the same place giving the option of > moving to where I need to be, go or change within that grid menu or tab. So > index 0,0 > > > > 2. Does entering grid G1 with *Down Arrow* from grid G2 enter G1 at > (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, > or (c) a different index, please specify? > > Feedback: > > I would keep this consistent. If I am in a new grid, I would like to start > from the same position every time. That gives me the option to navigate > where I need to go. Less of a burden on the brain. > > > > 3. 1Does entering grid G1 with *Up Arrow* from a menu item enter G1 > (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify? > > Feedback: > > This is counter intuitive. Do I go up to the bottom of a grid? Using the > down arrow key feels more like a logical direction to me to go into > something. Would I go up the stairs to go down into a room? At least not in > one fluid motion. Perhaps others miles may vary in this experience. > > > > 4. Does entering grid G1 with *Down Arrow* from grid G2 enter G1 > (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column > index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different > index, please specify? > > Feedback: > > I would like consistency. I would still want to start from the same spot > no matter which grid I was going into or coming from. Although I can see > why you may want to start where you left off if you are dealing with going > in and out of multiple grids. > > > > 5. Does entering a grid with *Tab* take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) > your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first > time in the grid since expanding this menu)? > > Feedback: > > So is this a menu or a grid? If tab takes you to a grid, index 0,0. > Consistent starting point. > > > > 6. Does entering a grid with *Shift + Tab* take you to (a) index > 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last > time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since > expanding this menu)? > > Feedback: > > Same as above. I would want the same entry point regardless which way I > get to it. > > > > 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing > the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) > wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing? > > Feedback: > > I lean toward staying within the same row. I want the option to move down > to the next row when I need to. > > > > 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you > press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the > previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do > you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed > to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it > is a submenu)? > > Feedback: > > We need to establish behaviors rather than doing all of the above. A grid > isn?t a menu so shouldn?t behave as such. If there is a submenu on an item > in a grid, I would expect to back out of the submenu with left arrow or go > deeper into it with right arrow. Once I am back in the grid and the menu is > collapsed, arrows should take me to the next grid point. So potentially > collapse when using left arrow. If using right arrow, it should go to next > grid point if back in the grid or submenu?s if within submenu?s. > > > > 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the > opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had > focus in the grid or (b) something else? > > Feedback: > > In this instant because it?s a submenu, focus should return back to the > grid point where that submenu was located. This should remain consistent so > using the opposite arrow key will depend on where you are and what you are > interacting with at a time. If within a submenu, it should behave like one. > Arrowing up and down through a menu, right arrow to open a submenu like a > tree branch, left arrow to close that tree branch. Escape to close the menu > and return you back to the grid point where you started. > > > > 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu > items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time > you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when > you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)? > > Feedback: > > To keep it consistent I like the idea of opening the menu or submenu with > one keystroke whether it be enter or the spacebar and traversing through > menu and submenus like I said above. So it should collapse when hitting > left arrow only when hitting the left most boundary. Closing menus and > submenu?s them with escape which is totally different then collapsing. > > > Keytips (aka accelerator keys) > > Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses ?Alt,? Office Online uses > "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting > ?Alt + Windows? shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on > the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of > two things will happen. One, if the control?s children has keytips, focus > gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or > two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control?s > default function will be executed. For example, if you hit ?Alt + Windows? > and then ?N,? keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon?s > contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the > lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit ?NU,? focus will be on the > ?Page Numbers? menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be > visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting ?R? will execute ?Remove Page > Numbers? because this menu item doesn?t have any children. > > 1. Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they > appear (in keytip mode)? > > Feedback: > > Yes. Anything that will help me from point a to point B faster is ideal. > > > > 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best > place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values? > > Feedback: > > It use to be which ever was the highlighted letter was the accelerator > key. That should remain consistent and when changed it should be > documented. Using Jaws I used to be able to hit numpad plus the number 5 to > query what was highlighted > > 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips? > > Feedback: > > I would like to be able to query as needed, not to be told all the time. > We as screen reader users already have enough chatter. > > > > Thank you and if there?s something that I wasn?t clear about, please ask. > > > > German > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *June Lee > *Sent:* Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM > *To:* Anita Mortaloni ; athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Cc:* Erin Williams (CELA) > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting > > > > Hi everyone, below are the list of scenarios we would like to receive > feedback on. Please feel free to reply via email with feedback if you can?t > attend the meeting. > > > > Office Online Ribbon Navigation Scenarios for Feedback > > Contacts: June Lee and Jeremy Spurlin < > jspurlin@microsoft.com> > Background > > Office Online is working on a simpler ribbon to reduce the perception of > complexity that our product currently has. We are leveraging this > opportunity to revisit our earlier decisions around keyboard (KB) > interactions and assistive technology (AT) announcements to improve our > products? experience for all users. One challenge we face is that as an > Office product hosted online, we sit at the intersection of several and > sometimes different standards ? Office, the web, and other online Microsoft > products. > > > > The questions this week focus on navigating to/from/within the ribbon. The > ribbon consists of 2 rows referred to as the Upper Ribbon and Lower Ribbon. > The upper ribbon consist of the File Menu Launcher, Tabs (i.e. Home, > Insert, Layout, etc.), and Peripheral Controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, > and Share). One tab may be in ?active? at a time, and that defines the > contents of the lower ribbon. The Lower Ribbon consists of groups (aka > chunks) and each group contains the commanding tools (i.e. Bold, Italic, > Underline, etc.) related to the active tab. > > > > Thank you in advanced for your feedback and help! > Ctrl + F6 loop > > Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses F6, Office Online uses CTRL + > F6 to take you through its UI surfaces. This is due to browser limitations. > How UI surfaces are bounded impacts how you arrow or tab to navigate within > that surface. > > 1. When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you > expect to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab? > > 2. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as: > > a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI > surface > > b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the > lower ribbon to be another UI surface > > c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the > peripheral controls to be another UI surface > > d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and > lower ribbon to be another UI surface > Ribbon Upper Ribbon > > Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls: > > ? File > > ? Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View) > > ? Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share) > > 1. When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you to > Home or (b) stay on File? > > 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you > to Share or (b) stay on File? > > 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the > tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it? > > 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) > File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab? > > 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) > Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab? > > 6. Does *Tab* (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, > (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral > controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon? > > 7. Does *Shift + Tab* (a) take you through each item in reverse > order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral > controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited > item in each group? > > 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to > the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below > the tab, or (c) do nothing? > > 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the > first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the > tab, or (c) do nothing? > Lower Ribbon > > Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group > contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 > group. > > 1. Does *Tab* (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first item > in each group? > > 2. Does *Shift + Tab* (a) take you through each item in reverse > order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each > group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group? > > 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does *Tab* and* > Shift-Tab *(a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the > lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop? > > 4. Does *CTRL + left/right arrow* (a) jump you through each group, > with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing? > > 5. If you selected ?A? for #4, does *CTRL + left/right arrow* (a) > loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop? > > 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the > lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow > left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop > you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab? > > 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) > nothing? > > 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) > nothing? > Menus Menu items only > > 1. Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then hitting > the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other end? > > Menu items + submenus > > 1. Does *Alt* within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) > only one level at a time? > > 2. Does *Esc *within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) > only one level at a time? > Menu items + comboboxes/spinners/checkboxes > > 1. Does hitting *Enter* when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or > checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus > still on the control? > > 2. Does hitting *Enter* when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or > checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with > focus still on the control? > > 3. Does typing a new value in a combobox or spinner and then > hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it? > Menu items + menu sections > > 1. Does *Tab* (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the first > item in each menu section? > > 2. Does *Shift + Tab* (a) take you through each menu item in > reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last > item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu > section? > > 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) > stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in > the current menu section? > Menu items + grid > > Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed. > > 1. Does entering grid G1 with *Down Arrow* from a menu item enter G1 > at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify? > > 2. Does entering grid G1 with *Down Arrow* from grid G2 enter G1 at > (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, > or (c) a different index, please specify? > > 3. Does entering grid G1 with *Up Arrow* from a menu item enter G1 > (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify? > > 4. Does entering grid G1 with *Down Arrow* from grid G2 enter G1 > (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column > index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different > index, please specify? > > 5. Does entering a grid with *Tab* take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) > your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first > time in the grid since expanding this menu)? > > 6. Does entering a grid with *Shift + Tab* take you to (a) index > 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last > time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since > expanding this menu)? > > 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing > the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) > wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing? > > 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you > press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the > previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do > you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed > to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it > is a submenu)? > > 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the > opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had > focus in the grid or (b) something else? > > 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu > items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time > you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when > you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)? > Keytips (aka accelerator keys) > > Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses ?Alt,? Office Online uses > "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting > ?Alt + Windows? shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on > the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of > two things will happen. One, if the control?s children has keytips, focus > gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or > two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control?s > default function will be executed. For example, if you hit ?Alt + Windows? > and then ?N,? keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon?s > contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the > lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit ?NU,? focus will be on the > ?Page Numbers? menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be > visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting ?R? will execute ?Remove Page > Numbers? because this menu item doesn?t have any children. > > 1. Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they > appear (in keytip mode)? > > 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best > place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values? > > 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips? > > > Warm regards, > June > > > > *From:* Anita Mortaloni > *Sent:* Friday, March 2, 2018 9:50 AM > *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Cc:* Erin Williams (CELA) ; June Lee < > junele@microsoft.com>; Jeremy Spurlin ; Anita > Mortaloni > *Subject:* Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting > > > > Hi ATHEN, > > > > Sharing out the agenda for the upcoming ATHEN meeting next Wednesday 1/10 > at 9am. We have a full agenda and great topics to discuss. If you have > additional items that you would like to discuss, please send them prior to > the meeting to add them to the agenda. > > > > Talk to you all next week! > Anita > > > Agenda for 03/07 ATHEN-Microsoft Meeting > > 1. Update on bug status from eDAD ? Erin Williams > 2. Update on ribbon feedback/scenarios ? June Lee > 3. Discussion on deployment blockers, problems and issues with > upgrading to the latest O365 for people using AT or working with people > using AT. ? Anita Mortaloni > 4. Possible training/meet-up in Redmond? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- *Alex Mooc* *UW-IT Accessible Technology Services Student AssistantHuman Centered Design & Engineering Undergraduate* -- *Alex Mooc* *UW-IT Accessible Technology Services Student AssistantHuman Centered Design & Engineering Undergraduate* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaela.parks at pcc.edu Fri Mar 30 11:43:45 2018 From: kaela.parks at pcc.edu (Kaela Parks) Date: Sat Jun 9 18:34:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Data on amount spent on textbooks in higher education In-Reply-To: <000901d3c76f$be1857c0$3a490740$@karlencommunications.com> References: <000901d3c76f$be1857c0$3a490740$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: SPARC is a great resource with lots of good data. This GAO report from 2013 may also be useful - page 6 has a chart showing the increase in textbook costs relative to the consumer price index but there is a lot more in the report as well. I hope this info is helpful, Kaela -- Kaela Parks, Director Disability Services Portland Community College 971-722-4868 kaela.parks@pcc.edu www.pcc.edu/resources/disability On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 8:08 AM, Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > > > Does anyone know of a site that identifies the amount spent on textbooks > for those in higher education/colleges/universities? > > > > I know the Access Board cited that in the US academic institutions spend > $79 Billion with a B for LMS?s per year. I need to have a figure for > textbooks. > > > > If anyone can break down the amount for LMS?s to higher education, that > would be great as well. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman13.u.washington.edu > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: