From ipriest at msudenver.edu Thu Nov 1 07:13:49 2018 From: ipriest at msudenver.edu (Priest, Ione) Date: Thu Nov 1 07:13:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Blind student unable to utilize tactile methods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Steve, Thanks for those links. We do have access to a Talking Lab Quest for the student to use during the labs, and our faculty are being extremely proactive in ensuring everything is set up prior to the start of class. Thank you, Ione Priest, CPACC Pronouns: she, her, hers Accessibility Technology Manager Access Center Plaza 122 Metropolitan State University of Denver ipriest@msudenver.edu Phone: 303-615-0200 Fax: 720-778-5662 [Metropolitan State University of Denver] This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L. Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 6:12 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Blind student unable to utilize tactile methods If you want to try something free, there's the Cal Poly accessible Periodic Table, in both DAISY and Excel formats at http://access-pte.sourceforge.net/ There's also supposed to be an accessible navigable Periodic Table that comes loaded on the Talking LabQuest 2: http://independencescience.com/talking-lab-quest-2/ The Talking LabQuest is going to be extremely useful (if not almost mandatory) when it comes time for a blind student to take an active role in a chemistry lab. --Steve Noble ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Priest, Ione > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 6:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Blind student unable to utilize tactile methods Hello everyone, We have a student taking a chemistry course next semester who is blind, but is unable to utilize Braille and other tactile methods due to neuropathy. The instructor was thoughtful enough to research a tactile Periodic Table of Elements for the student to use, but as stated, not something the student is able to use. We have reached out to the student to get ideas on what has and has not worked for them in the past, but I am curious if anyone here has any recommendations on facilitating the student's interaction with course materials. Thanks everyone, Ione Priest, CPACC Pronouns: she, her, hers Accessibility Technology Manager Access Center Plaza 122 Metropolitan State University of Denver ipriest@msudenver.edu Phone: 303-615-0200 Fax: 720-778-5662 [Metropolitan State University of Denver] This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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I know on YouTube, I might be able to tell by whether the captions button is present or not, but I'm not sure if that button is always there or just when captions are available. Even then, I don't think I would be able to evaluate the captions anyway. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Fri Nov 2 08:08:33 2018 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Fri Nov 2 08:10:42 2018 Subject: [Athen] Substitute for braille writer for math when blind Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02B39BF910@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> I was asked this question twice last week, about two different situations and I don't have an answer. The concern is that a blind student who is not good at math needs to take remedial courses. But the student's Braille skills, or at least nemeth skills aren't that great. The book is available both from Learning Ally and in Braille. Reading the textbook is not a concern. The difficulty is in working problems themselves. The only way I know to work problems in a math course when blind is to use a Braille writer and Nemeth, or possibly an abacus to replace a calculator - except most people have calculators on their phones now. The problem with the Braille writer is that you do need to be proficient with Braille. But even if you are, it's hard to work with a sighted tutor or instructor. They can't see the steps you are taking to work a problem. Is anyone using an alternative technique for working problems eyes-free? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lgreco at berkeley.edu Fri Nov 2 10:33:00 2018 From: lgreco at berkeley.edu (Lucy Greco) Date: Fri Nov 2 10:33:48 2018 Subject: [Athen] Checking for Captions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HELLO: YOUR RONG WE CAN CHECK FOR CAPTIONS AND MANY BLIND PEOPLE EVEN ARE CART PROVIDERS. MOST PLATFORMS LIKE YOUTUBE AND VIMEO HAVE THE CAPTIONS AS TEXT ON THE SCREEN AND THE SCREEN READER CAN SPEAK THESE OR MORE INPORTENTLY A HARD OF HEREING OR DEF BLIND PERSON CAN FOLLOW ALONG ON A BRAILLE DISPLAY. TRY TURNING CAPTIONS ON IN YOUTUBE AND MUTING THE VIDEO AND HERE THE SCREEN READER READ A LONG. ON YOUTUBE YOU CAN ALSO COPY THE TEXT OF THE TRANSCRIPT AND SEND IT TO A NOTE TAKER OR EMBOSSER AND READ ALONG LOOKING FOR BAD CAPTIONS AND THEN EDIT THE FILE AND RE UPLOAD IT. THE ONLY THING I HAVE FOUND I CAN'T DO IS EDUT IN THE YOUTUBE EDITOR BUT I HAVE AN ASK IN TO GOOGLE FOR THAT ONE DAY LUCY Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:42 PM Robert Spangler wrote: > Hello, is it possible for a blind person to check if there are captions in > a video? Everything I know tells me not, but I want to ask anyway in case > there is some way that I am unaware of. The captions are displayed in the > actual video content, which is not readable by a screen reader. I know on > YouTube, I might be able to tell by whether the captions button is present > or not, but I'm not sure if that button is always there or just when > captions are available. Even then, I don't think I would be able to > evaluate the captions anyway. > > Thanks, > Robert > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I?ve also had students using LaTex in the past as well. Jeff Sent from my iPhone. please excuse errors from using Apple's dictation feature. > On Nov 2, 2018, at 11:08 AM, Deborah Armstrong wrote: > > I was asked this question twice last week, about two different situations and I don?t have an answer. > > The concern is that a blind student who is not good at math needs to take remedial courses. But the student?s Braille skills, or at least nemeth skills aren?t that great. > > The book is available both from Learning Ally and in Braille. Reading the textbook is not a concern. The difficulty is in working problems themselves. > > The only way I know to work problems in a math course when blind is to use a Braille writer and Nemeth, or possibly an abacus to replace a calculator ? except most people have calculators on their phones now. > > The problem with the Braille writer is that you do need to be proficient with Braille. But even if you are, it?s hard to work with a sighted tutor or instructor. They can?t see the steps you are taking to work a problem. > > Is anyone using an alternative technique for working problems eyes-free? > > --Debee > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bossley.5 at osu.edu Fri Nov 2 14:17:24 2018 From: bossley.5 at osu.edu (Bossley, Peter A.) Date: Fri Nov 2 14:17:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] Checking for Captions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Many video players do have accessible caption toggles and some make the text accessible to screen readers. But if a video has burned-in captions, there wouldn?t be a way for a screen reader user to detect those. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 6:41 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Checking for Captions Hello, is it possible for a blind person to check if there are captions in a video? Everything I know tells me not, but I want to ask anyway in case there is some way that I am unaware of. The captions are displayed in the actual video content, which is not readable by a screen reader. I know on YouTube, I might be able to tell by whether the captions button is present or not, but I'm not sure if that button is always there or just when captions are available. Even then, I don't think I would be able to evaluate the captions anyway. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Fri Nov 2 15:22:53 2018 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com) Date: Fri Nov 2 15:24:09 2018 Subject: [Athen] Checking for Captions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05d301d472fa$99220100$cb660300$@pubcom.com> Peter B wrote: ? But if a video has burned-in captions, there wouldn?t be a way for a screen reader user to detect those. ? That?s correct. Burned in captions are like photos with text in them. A T can?t determine which pixels create text letters and which create the background graphic. Always best to keep text live, not ?burned in? graphics or videos or any other form of graphical communication. Machines like screen readers can only access and process live text. ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list On Behalf Of Bossley, Peter A. Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 5:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Checking for Captions Many video players do have accessible caption toggles and some make the text accessible to screen readers. But if a video has burned-in captions, there wouldn?t be a way for a screen reader user to detect those. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 6:41 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Checking for Captions Hello, is it possible for a blind person to check if there are captions in a video? Everything I know tells me not, but I want to ask anyway in case there is some way that I am unaware of. The captions are displayed in the actual video content, which is not readable by a screen reader. I know on YouTube, I might be able to tell by whether the captions button is present or not, but I'm not sure if that button is always there or just when captions are available. Even then, I don't think I would be able to evaluate the captions anyway. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan.schipul at purchase.edu Fri Nov 2 15:58:04 2018 From: dan.schipul at purchase.edu (Schipul, Dan) Date: Fri Nov 2 15:58:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] Checking for Captions In-Reply-To: <05d301d472fa$99220100$cb660300$@pubcom.com> References: , <05d301d472fa$99220100$cb660300$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: <1541199493802.92651@purchase.edu> "Burned in" text can obstruct closed captions if you ever add them in, so they become hard to see, defeating the purpose of both. ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of chagnon@pubcom.com Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:22 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Checking for Captions < - - MESSAGE FROM AN EXTERNAL SENDER - - > Peter B wrote: " But if a video has burned-in captions, there wouldn't be a way for a screen reader user to detect those. " That's correct. Burned in captions are like photos with text in them. A T can't determine which pixels create text letters and which create the background graphic. Always best to keep text live, not "burned in" graphics or videos or any other form of graphical communication. Machines like screen readers can only access and process live text. - - - Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com - - - PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting * training * development * design * sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes - - - Latest blog-newsletter - Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list On Behalf Of Bossley, Peter A. Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 5:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Checking for Captions Many video players do have accessible caption toggles and some make the text accessible to screen readers. But if a video has burned-in captions, there wouldn't be a way for a screen reader user to detect those. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 6:41 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Checking for Captions Hello, is it possible for a blind person to check if there are captions in a video? Everything I know tells me not, but I want to ask anyway in case there is some way that I am unaware of. The captions are displayed in the actual video content, which is not readable by a screen reader. I know on YouTube, I might be able to tell by whether the captions button is present or not, but I'm not sure if that button is always there or just when captions are available. Even then, I don't think I would be able to evaluate the captions anyway. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bossley.5 at osu.edu Sun Nov 4 19:16:07 2018 From: bossley.5 at osu.edu (Bossley, Peter A.) Date: Sun Nov 4 19:16:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Checking for Captions In-Reply-To: <1541199493802.92651@purchase.edu> References: , <05d301d472fa$99220100$cb660300$@pubcom.com> <1541199493802.92651@purchase.edu> Message-ID: I should have probably clarified that we discourage burned in captions for all the good reasons others have put forward here, but we do still occasionally see them; and if I had to choose between no captions or burned in ones, I'll take the burned in ones. [The Ohio State University] Peter Bossley Director, Digital Accessibility Center ADA Coordinator's Office - Office of University Compliance and Integrity Student Life Disability Services 950 Lincoln Tower, 1800 Cannon Dr, Columbus, OH 43210 614-688-3028 Office bossley.5@osu.edu accessibility.osu.edu ________________________________ From: athen-list On Behalf Of Schipul, Dan Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:58 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Checking for Captions "Burned in" text can obstruct closed captions if you ever add them in, so they become hard to see, defeating the purpose of both. ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of chagnon@pubcom.com > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:22 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Checking for Captions < - - MESSAGE FROM AN EXTERNAL SENDER - - > Peter B wrote: " But if a video has burned-in captions, there wouldn't be a way for a screen reader user to detect those. " That's correct. Burned in captions are like photos with text in them. A T can't determine which pixels create text letters and which create the background graphic. Always best to keep text live, not "burned in" graphics or videos or any other form of graphical communication. Machines like screen readers can only access and process live text. - - - Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com - - - PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting * training * development * design * sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes - - - Latest blog-newsletter - Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Bossley, Peter A. Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 5:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Checking for Captions Many video players do have accessible caption toggles and some make the text accessible to screen readers. But if a video has burned-in captions, there wouldn't be a way for a screen reader user to detect those. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 6:41 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Checking for Captions Hello, is it possible for a blind person to check if there are captions in a video? Everything I know tells me not, but I want to ask anyway in case there is some way that I am unaware of. The captions are displayed in the actual video content, which is not readable by a screen reader. I know on YouTube, I might be able to tell by whether the captions button is present or not, but I'm not sure if that button is always there or just when captions are available. Even then, I don't think I would be able to evaluate the captions anyway. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 3605 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From sarah.bourne at mass.gov Mon Nov 5 05:46:03 2018 From: sarah.bourne at mass.gov (Bourne, Sarah (MASSIT)) Date: Mon Nov 5 05:46:17 2018 Subject: [Athen] Checking for Captions In-Reply-To: References: , <05d301d472fa$99220100$cb660300$@pubcom.com> <1541199493802.92651@purchase.edu> Message-ID: A use case for burned-in (or "open captions") is for videos that are created to post on social media sites that have no support for closed captions. (Twitter, for instance.) It should be consider a work-around rather than a desirable solution. If you do need to use open captions, try to position them on the screen so you leave room for closed captions or subtitles, e.g. for other languages, at the bottom without overlap. Sarah E. Bourne Director of IT Accessibility Executive Office of Technology Services and Security (EOTSS) 1 Ashburton Place, 8th Floor, Boston, MA 02108 Office: (617) 626-4502 sarah.bourne@mass.gov | www.mass.gov/eotss From: athen-list On Behalf Of Bossley, Peter A. Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 10:16 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Checking for Captions I should have probably clarified that we discourage burned in captions for all the good reasons others have put forward here, but we do still occasionally see them; and if I had to choose between no captions or burned in ones, I'll take the burned in ones. [The Ohio State University] Peter Bossley Director, Digital Accessibility Center ADA Coordinator's Office - Office of University Compliance and Integrity Student Life Disability Services 950 Lincoln Tower, 1800 Cannon Dr, Columbus, OH 43210 614-688-3028 Office bossley.5@osu.edu accessibility.osu.edu ________________________________ From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Schipul, Dan Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:58 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Checking for Captions "Burned in" text can obstruct closed captions if you ever add them in, so they become hard to see, defeating the purpose of both. ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of chagnon@pubcom.com > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 6:22 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Checking for Captions < - - MESSAGE FROM AN EXTERNAL SENDER - - > Peter B wrote: " But if a video has burned-in captions, there wouldn't be a way for a screen reader user to detect those. " That's correct. Burned in captions are like photos with text in them. A T can't determine which pixels create text letters and which create the background graphic. Always best to keep text live, not "burned in" graphics or videos or any other form of graphical communication. Machines like screen readers can only access and process live text. - - - Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com - - - PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting * training * development * design * sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes - - - Latest blog-newsletter - Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Bossley, Peter A. Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 5:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Checking for Captions Many video players do have accessible caption toggles and some make the text accessible to screen readers. But if a video has burned-in captions, there wouldn't be a way for a screen reader user to detect those. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2018 6:41 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Checking for Captions Hello, is it possible for a blind person to check if there are captions in a video? Everything I know tells me not, but I want to ask anyway in case there is some way that I am unaware of. The captions are displayed in the actual video content, which is not readable by a screen reader. I know on YouTube, I might be able to tell by whether the captions button is present or not, but I'm not sure if that button is always there or just when captions are available. Even then, I don't think I would be able to evaluate the captions anyway. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 3605 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Mon Nov 5 08:09:33 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Mon Nov 5 08:10:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Checking for Captions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lucy, thanks for this informative reply! I did go into a YouTube video and was able to read the captions by arrowing up above the location slider on the video. It did not read them automatically; I had to arrow up and down to hear them, which could be problematic since they change a lot, but at least I was able to hear them. If you have suggestions on how I can do this better, that would be great. Thanks again for confirming that I can actually read the captions though! On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 1:37 PM Lucy Greco wrote: > HELLO: YOUR RONG WE CAN CHECK FOR CAPTIONS AND MANY BLIND PEOPLE EVEN ARE > CART PROVIDERS. MOST PLATFORMS LIKE YOUTUBE AND VIMEO HAVE THE CAPTIONS > AS TEXT ON THE SCREEN AND THE SCREEN READER CAN SPEAK THESE OR MORE > INPORTENTLY A HARD OF HEREING OR DEF BLIND PERSON CAN FOLLOW ALONG ON A > BRAILLE DISPLAY. TRY TURNING CAPTIONS ON IN YOUTUBE AND MUTING THE VIDEO > AND HERE THE SCREEN READER READ A LONG. ON YOUTUBE YOU CAN ALSO COPY THE > TEXT OF THE TRANSCRIPT AND SEND IT TO A NOTE TAKER OR EMBOSSER AND READ > ALONG LOOKING FOR BAD CAPTIONS AND THEN EDIT THE FILE AND RE UPLOAD IT. THE > ONLY THING I HAVE FOUND I CAN'T DO IS EDUT IN THE YOUTUBE EDITOR BUT I HAVE > AN ASK IN TO GOOGLE FOR THAT ONE DAY LUCY > Lucia Greco > Web Accessibility Evangelist > IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration > University of California, Berkeley > (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco > http://webaccess.berkeley.edu > Follow me on twitter @accessaces > > > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:42 PM Robert Spangler > wrote: > >> Hello, is it possible for a blind person to check if there are captions >> in a video? Everything I know tells me not, but I want to ask anyway in >> case there is some way that I am unaware of. The captions are displayed in >> the actual video content, which is not readable by a screen reader. I know >> on YouTube, I might be able to tell by whether the captions button is >> present or not, but I'm not sure if that button is always there or just >> when captions are available. Even then, I don't think I would be able to >> evaluate the captions anyway. >> >> Thanks, >> Robert >> >> >> -- >> Robert Spangler >> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >> rspangler1@udayton.edu >> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >> Phone: 937-229-2066 >> Fax: 937-229-3270 >> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >> hearing) >> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Mon Nov 5 09:08:38 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Mon Nov 5 09:09:05 2018 Subject: [Athen] People Admin, the cloud-based talent management solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We are currently using PeopleAdmin here at UD and I was able to apply for my job without difficulty. I am a screen reader user. On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:08 PM Susie Dunn wrote: > I?m inquiring about People Admin, the cloud-based talent management > solution for education and government entities. The audience is K-12, > higher education and government, PeopleAdmin is used for the hiring > processes, and other elements of HR. > > Is anyone familiar with this product and if it is accessible? Can > applicants who use screen readers use it successfully? > > Best > > Susie > > > > * ________________________________ * > > Disclaimer: This e-mail and any attachments contain material that is > solely for > the use of the intended recipient(s). If you have received this e-mail in > error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail. If you > are > not the intended recipient(s), you must not use, retain or disclose any > information contained in this e-mail. 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URL: From jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu Mon Nov 5 09:17:43 2018 From: jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu (Joseph Polizzotto) Date: Mon Nov 5 09:18:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Checking for Captions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Robert: Another way to check for captions in a YouTube video is to use the DIY Captions Editor. You could do the following: 1. Copy the YouTube URL 2. Paste the URL in the text box at the DIYCaptions site: https://www.diycaptions.com/ 3.(Once the DIY Captions Editor interfaces open in a new tab) you can use these handy shortcut keys: - F8: replay the audio that corresponds to the current caption block - Down Arrow: read the current caption block - Tab: move to the next caption block I tested using Google Chrome + NVDA and I was able to navigate from one caption to the next pretty easily. I pressed Tab and then down arrow to hear the captions. Note: the DIY Captions Editor also displays all the captions as an interactive transcript by default. You can navigate to this area too and read the captions as a running text, except that each caption block is announced as a link when you use the interactive transcript view. You could try mousing over the Menu (since the dropdown menu is not in the Tab Order) and selecting Display captions as Plain Text. Then mouse over the textbox (also inaccessible!) on the right-hand side, click into the "Edit Multi-Line" area, and use up and down arrows to read each line of the whole transcript. You might want to copy and paste the whole text to review later. HTH, Joseph On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 8:14 AM Robert Spangler wrote: > Hi Lucy, thanks for this informative reply! I did go into a YouTube video > and was able to read the captions by arrowing up above the location slider > on the video. It did not read them automatically; I had to arrow up and > down to hear them, which could be problematic since they change a lot, but > at least I was able to hear them. If you have suggestions on how I can do > this better, that would be great. Thanks again for confirming that I can > actually read the captions though! > > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 1:37 PM Lucy Greco wrote: > >> HELLO: YOUR RONG WE CAN CHECK FOR CAPTIONS AND MANY BLIND PEOPLE EVEN ARE >> CART PROVIDERS. MOST PLATFORMS LIKE YOUTUBE AND VIMEO HAVE THE CAPTIONS >> AS TEXT ON THE SCREEN AND THE SCREEN READER CAN SPEAK THESE OR MORE >> INPORTENTLY A HARD OF HEREING OR DEF BLIND PERSON CAN FOLLOW ALONG ON A >> BRAILLE DISPLAY. TRY TURNING CAPTIONS ON IN YOUTUBE AND MUTING THE VIDEO >> AND HERE THE SCREEN READER READ A LONG. ON YOUTUBE YOU CAN ALSO COPY THE >> TEXT OF THE TRANSCRIPT AND SEND IT TO A NOTE TAKER OR EMBOSSER AND READ >> ALONG LOOKING FOR BAD CAPTIONS AND THEN EDIT THE FILE AND RE UPLOAD IT. THE >> ONLY THING I HAVE FOUND I CAN'T DO IS EDUT IN THE YOUTUBE EDITOR BUT I HAVE >> AN ASK IN TO GOOGLE FOR THAT ONE DAY LUCY >> Lucia Greco >> Web Accessibility Evangelist >> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration >> University of California, Berkeley >> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco >> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu >> Follow me on twitter @accessaces >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:42 PM Robert Spangler >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, is it possible for a blind person to check if there are captions >>> in a video? Everything I know tells me not, but I want to ask anyway in >>> case there is some way that I am unaware of. The captions are displayed in >>> the actual video content, which is not readable by a screen reader. I know >>> on YouTube, I might be able to tell by whether the captions button is >>> present or not, but I'm not sure if that button is always there or just >>> when captions are available. Even then, I don't think I would be able to >>> evaluate the captions anyway. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Robert >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Robert Spangler >>> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >>> rspangler1@udayton.edu >>> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >>> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >>> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >>> Phone: 937-229-2066 >>> Fax: 937-229-3270 >>> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >>> hearing) >>> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- *Alternate Media Supervisor* Disabled Students' Program University of California, Berkeley https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ (510) 642-0329 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sdunn at southeast.edu Mon Nov 5 09:27:10 2018 From: sdunn at southeast.edu (Susie Dunn) Date: Mon Nov 5 09:27:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] People Admin, the cloud-based talent management solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks That is good to hear. I?m surprised too. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Monday, November 5, 2018 11:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] People Admin, the cloud-based talent management solution We are currently using PeopleAdmin here at UD and I was able to apply for my job without difficulty. I am a screen reader user. On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:08 PM Susie Dunn > wrote: I?m inquiring about People Admin, the cloud-based talent management solution for education and government entities. The audience is K-12, higher education and government, PeopleAdmin is used for the hiring processes, and other elements of HR. Is anyone familiar with this product and if it is accessible? Can applicants who use screen readers use it successfully? Best Susie ________________________________ Disclaimer: This e-mail and any attachments contain material that is solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). 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URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Mon Nov 5 10:08:01 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Mon Nov 5 10:08:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] Checking for Captions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Awesome, thanks everyone for your suggestions. I will archive these to provide to whomever we hire to fill our web accessibility specialist position. On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 12:27 PM Joseph Polizzotto wrote: > Hi Robert: > > Another way to check for captions in a YouTube video is to use the DIY > Captions Editor. You could do the following: > > 1. Copy the YouTube URL > 2. Paste the URL in the text box at the DIYCaptions site: > https://www.diycaptions.com/ > 3.(Once the DIY Captions Editor interfaces open in a new tab) you can use > these handy shortcut keys: > - F8: replay the audio that corresponds to the current caption block > - Down Arrow: read the current caption block > - Tab: move to the next caption block > > I tested using Google Chrome + NVDA and I was able to navigate from one > caption to the next pretty easily. I pressed Tab and then down arrow to > hear the captions. > > Note: the DIY Captions Editor also displays all the captions as an > interactive transcript by default. You can navigate to this area too and > read the captions as a running text, except that each caption block is > announced as a link when you use the interactive transcript view. You could > try mousing over the Menu (since the dropdown menu is not in the Tab Order) > and selecting Display captions as Plain Text. Then mouse over the textbox > (also inaccessible!) on the right-hand side, click into the "Edit > Multi-Line" area, and use up and down arrows to read each line of the whole > transcript. You might want to copy and paste the whole text to review later. > > HTH, > > Joseph > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 8:14 AM Robert Spangler > wrote: > >> Hi Lucy, thanks for this informative reply! I did go into a YouTube >> video and was able to read the captions by arrowing up above the location >> slider on the video. It did not read them automatically; I had to arrow up >> and down to hear them, which could be problematic since they change a lot, >> but at least I was able to hear them. If you have suggestions on how I can >> do this better, that would be great. Thanks again for confirming that I >> can actually read the captions though! >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 1:37 PM Lucy Greco wrote: >> >>> HELLO: YOUR RONG WE CAN CHECK FOR CAPTIONS AND MANY BLIND PEOPLE EVEN >>> ARE CART PROVIDERS. MOST PLATFORMS LIKE YOUTUBE AND VIMEO HAVE THE >>> CAPTIONS AS TEXT ON THE SCREEN AND THE SCREEN READER CAN SPEAK THESE OR >>> MORE INPORTENTLY A HARD OF HEREING OR DEF BLIND PERSON CAN FOLLOW ALONG >>> ON A BRAILLE DISPLAY. TRY TURNING CAPTIONS ON IN YOUTUBE AND MUTING THE >>> VIDEO AND HERE THE SCREEN READER READ A LONG. ON YOUTUBE YOU CAN ALSO COPY >>> THE TEXT OF THE TRANSCRIPT AND SEND IT TO A NOTE TAKER OR EMBOSSER AND >>> READ ALONG LOOKING FOR BAD CAPTIONS AND THEN EDIT THE FILE AND RE UPLOAD >>> IT. THE ONLY THING I HAVE FOUND I CAN'T DO IS EDUT IN THE YOUTUBE EDITOR >>> BUT I HAVE AN ASK IN TO GOOGLE FOR THAT ONE DAY LUCY >>> Lucia Greco >>> Web Accessibility Evangelist >>> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration >>> University of California, Berkeley >>> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco >>> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu >>> Follow me on twitter @accessaces >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:42 PM Robert Spangler >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, is it possible for a blind person to check if there are captions >>>> in a video? Everything I know tells me not, but I want to ask anyway in >>>> case there is some way that I am unaware of. The captions are displayed in >>>> the actual video content, which is not readable by a screen reader. I know >>>> on YouTube, I might be able to tell by whether the captions button is >>>> present or not, but I'm not sure if that button is always there or just >>>> when captions are available. Even then, I don't think I would be able to >>>> evaluate the captions anyway. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Robert >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Robert Spangler >>>> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >>>> rspangler1@udayton.edu >>>> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >>>> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >>>> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >>>> Phone: 937-229-2066 >>>> Fax: 937-229-3270 >>>> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >>>> hearing) >>>> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> athen-list mailing list >>>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> Robert Spangler >> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >> rspangler1@udayton.edu >> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >> Phone: 937-229-2066 >> Fax: 937-229-3270 >> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >> hearing) >> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > > -- > *Alternate Media Supervisor* > Disabled Students' Program > University of California, Berkeley > https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ > > (510) 642-0329 > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu Mon Nov 5 11:55:47 2018 From: jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu (Joseph Polizzotto) Date: Mon Nov 5 11:56:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] Checking for Captions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Robert: I forgot to mention youtube-dl , which is a handy command line tool that you can install to download the video or captions posted on YouTube or Vimeo. Once installed, simply enter the following command to see what caption tracks are available: youtube-dl YouTubeURL --list-subs -- list-subs: get a list of all the YouTube "subtitle" tracks Then you could use one of these commands to download the captions: 1) Download an Edited track youtube-dl YouTubeURL --skip-download --write-sub --sub-lang en --output "%(title)s.%(ext)s" --skip-download: skips downloading the video --write-sub: downloads a caption track --sub-lang en: specifies the English caption track for download --output "%(title)s.%(ext)s": specifies that you want the name of the video and the caption format to be included in the name of the downloaded file 2) Download an Automatic Captions track youtube-dl YouTubeURL --skip-download --write-auto-sub --sub-lang en --output "%(title)s.%(ext)s" --write-auto-sub: downloads an auto-caption track --sub-lang en: specifies the English automatic caption track for download If there are no automatic captions available for the video, you will get a warning in the terminal: WARNING: Couldn't find automatic captions for Name of the Video YouTube usually makes it captions tracks in VTT or TTML format. If you wanted to strip out the timecodes and just get a plain text version, you could get write a sed script for that or I would just use DIYCaptions and select the Plain Text display. Then copy and paste that into your text editor. HTH, Joseph On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 10:09 AM Robert Spangler wrote: > Awesome, thanks everyone for your suggestions. I will archive these to > provide to whomever we hire to fill our web accessibility specialist > position. > > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 12:27 PM Joseph Polizzotto < > jpolizzotto@berkeley.edu> wrote: > >> Hi Robert: >> >> Another way to check for captions in a YouTube video is to use the DIY >> Captions Editor. You could do the following: >> >> 1. Copy the YouTube URL >> 2. Paste the URL in the text box at the DIYCaptions site: >> https://www.diycaptions.com/ >> 3.(Once the DIY Captions Editor interfaces open in a new tab) you can use >> these handy shortcut keys: >> - F8: replay the audio that corresponds to the current caption block >> - Down Arrow: read the current caption block >> - Tab: move to the next caption block >> >> I tested using Google Chrome + NVDA and I was able to navigate from one >> caption to the next pretty easily. I pressed Tab and then down arrow to >> hear the captions. >> >> Note: the DIY Captions Editor also displays all the captions as an >> interactive transcript by default. You can navigate to this area too and >> read the captions as a running text, except that each caption block is >> announced as a link when you use the interactive transcript view. You could >> try mousing over the Menu (since the dropdown menu is not in the Tab Order) >> and selecting Display captions as Plain Text. Then mouse over the textbox >> (also inaccessible!) on the right-hand side, click into the "Edit >> Multi-Line" area, and use up and down arrows to read each line of the whole >> transcript. You might want to copy and paste the whole text to review later. >> >> HTH, >> >> Joseph >> >> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 8:14 AM Robert Spangler >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Lucy, thanks for this informative reply! I did go into a YouTube >>> video and was able to read the captions by arrowing up above the location >>> slider on the video. It did not read them automatically; I had to arrow up >>> and down to hear them, which could be problematic since they change a lot, >>> but at least I was able to hear them. If you have suggestions on how I can >>> do this better, that would be great. Thanks again for confirming that I >>> can actually read the captions though! >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 1:37 PM Lucy Greco wrote: >>> >>>> HELLO: YOUR RONG WE CAN CHECK FOR CAPTIONS AND MANY BLIND PEOPLE EVEN >>>> ARE CART PROVIDERS. MOST PLATFORMS LIKE YOUTUBE AND VIMEO HAVE THE >>>> CAPTIONS AS TEXT ON THE SCREEN AND THE SCREEN READER CAN SPEAK THESE OR >>>> MORE INPORTENTLY A HARD OF HEREING OR DEF BLIND PERSON CAN FOLLOW ALONG >>>> ON A BRAILLE DISPLAY. TRY TURNING CAPTIONS ON IN YOUTUBE AND MUTING THE >>>> VIDEO AND HERE THE SCREEN READER READ A LONG. ON YOUTUBE YOU CAN ALSO COPY >>>> THE TEXT OF THE TRANSCRIPT AND SEND IT TO A NOTE TAKER OR EMBOSSER AND >>>> READ ALONG LOOKING FOR BAD CAPTIONS AND THEN EDIT THE FILE AND RE UPLOAD >>>> IT. THE ONLY THING I HAVE FOUND I CAN'T DO IS EDUT IN THE YOUTUBE EDITOR >>>> BUT I HAVE AN ASK IN TO GOOGLE FOR THAT ONE DAY LUCY >>>> Lucia Greco >>>> Web Accessibility Evangelist >>>> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration >>>> University of California, Berkeley >>>> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco >>>> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu >>>> Follow me on twitter @accessaces >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:42 PM Robert Spangler >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, is it possible for a blind person to check if there are >>>>> captions in a video? Everything I know tells me not, but I want to ask >>>>> anyway in case there is some way that I am unaware of. The captions are >>>>> displayed in the actual video content, which is not readable by a screen >>>>> reader. I know on YouTube, I might be able to tell by whether the captions >>>>> button is present or not, but I'm not sure if that button is always there >>>>> or just when captions are available. Even then, I don't think I would be >>>>> able to evaluate the captions anyway. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Robert >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Robert Spangler >>>>> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >>>>> rspangler1@udayton.edu >>>>> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >>>>> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >>>>> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >>>>> Phone: 937-229-2066 >>>>> Fax: 937-229-3270 >>>>> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >>>>> hearing) >>>>> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> athen-list mailing list >>>>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>>>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> athen-list mailing list >>>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Robert Spangler >>> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >>> rspangler1@udayton.edu >>> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >>> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >>> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >>> Phone: 937-229-2066 >>> Fax: 937-229-3270 >>> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >>> hearing) >>> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Alternate Media Supervisor* >> Disabled Students' Program >> University of California, Berkeley >> https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ >> >> (510) 642-0329 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- *Alternate Media Supervisor* Disabled Students' Program University of California, Berkeley https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ (510) 642-0329 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Mon Nov 5 12:42:45 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Mon Nov 5 12:43:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Checking for Captions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <166e59d0588.27c5.f471ecd7d7f2c81b5e19d0e198a82aa5@udayton.edu> Thank you! Sent from AquaMail for Android On November 5, 2018 2:59:43 PM Joseph Polizzotto wrote: > Hi Robert: > > I forgot to mention youtube-dl , which > is a handy command line tool that you can install to download the video or > captions posted on YouTube or Vimeo. > > Once installed, simply enter the following command to see what caption > tracks are available: > > youtube-dl YouTubeURL --list-subs > > -- list-subs: get a list of all the YouTube "subtitle" tracks > > Then you could use one of these commands to download the captions: > > 1) Download an Edited track > > youtube-dl YouTubeURL --skip-download --write-sub --sub-lang en --output > "%(title)s.%(ext)s" > > --skip-download: skips downloading the video > --write-sub: downloads a caption track > --sub-lang en: specifies the English caption track for download > --output "%(title)s.%(ext)s": specifies that you want the name of the video > and the caption format to be included in the name of the downloaded file > > 2) Download an Automatic Captions track > > youtube-dl YouTubeURL --skip-download --write-auto-sub --sub-lang en > --output "%(title)s.%(ext)s" > > --write-auto-sub: downloads an auto-caption track > --sub-lang en: specifies the English automatic caption track for download > > If there are no automatic captions available for the video, you will get a > warning in the terminal: > > WARNING: Couldn't find automatic captions for Name of the Video > > YouTube usually makes it captions tracks in VTT or TTML format. If you > wanted to strip out the timecodes and just get a plain text version, you > could get write a sed script for that or I would just use DIYCaptions and > select the Plain Text display. Then copy and paste that into your text > editor. > > HTH, > > Joseph > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 10:09 AM Robert Spangler > wrote: > >> Awesome, thanks everyone for your suggestions. I will archive these to >> provide to whomever we hire to fill our web accessibility specialist >> position. >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 12:27 PM Joseph Polizzotto < >> jpolizzotto@berkeley.edu> wrote: >> >>> Hi Robert: >>> >>> Another way to check for captions in a YouTube video is to use the DIY >>> Captions Editor. You could do the following: >>> >>> 1. Copy the YouTube URL >>> 2. Paste the URL in the text box at the DIYCaptions site: >>> https://www.diycaptions.com/ >>> 3.(Once the DIY Captions Editor interfaces open in a new tab) you can use >>> these handy shortcut keys: >>> - F8: replay the audio that corresponds to the current caption block >>> - Down Arrow: read the current caption block >>> - Tab: move to the next caption block >>> >>> I tested using Google Chrome + NVDA and I was able to navigate from one >>> caption to the next pretty easily. I pressed Tab and then down arrow to >>> hear the captions. >>> >>> Note: the DIY Captions Editor also displays all the captions as an >>> interactive transcript by default. You can navigate to this area too and >>> read the captions as a running text, except that each caption block is >>> announced as a link when you use the interactive transcript view. You could >>> try mousing over the Menu (since the dropdown menu is not in the Tab Order) >>> and selecting Display captions as Plain Text. Then mouse over the textbox >>> (also inaccessible!) on the right-hand side, click into the "Edit >>> Multi-Line" area, and use up and down arrows to read each line of the whole >>> transcript. You might want to copy and paste the whole text to review later. >>> >>> HTH, >>> >>> Joseph >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 8:14 AM Robert Spangler >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Lucy, thanks for this informative reply! I did go into a YouTube >>>> video and was able to read the captions by arrowing up above the location >>>> slider on the video. It did not read them automatically; I had to arrow up >>>> and down to hear them, which could be problematic since they change a lot, >>>> but at least I was able to hear them. If you have suggestions on how I can >>>> do this better, that would be great. Thanks again for confirming that I >>>> can actually read the captions though! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 1:37 PM Lucy Greco wrote: >>>> >>>>> HELLO: YOUR RONG WE CAN CHECK FOR CAPTIONS AND MANY BLIND PEOPLE EVEN >>>>> ARE CART PROVIDERS. MOST PLATFORMS LIKE YOUTUBE AND VIMEO HAVE THE >>>>> CAPTIONS AS TEXT ON THE SCREEN AND THE SCREEN READER CAN SPEAK THESE OR >>>>> MORE INPORTENTLY A HARD OF HEREING OR DEF BLIND PERSON CAN FOLLOW ALONG >>>>> ON A BRAILLE DISPLAY. TRY TURNING CAPTIONS ON IN YOUTUBE AND MUTING THE >>>>> VIDEO AND HERE THE SCREEN READER READ A LONG. ON YOUTUBE YOU CAN ALSO COPY >>>>> THE TEXT OF THE TRANSCRIPT AND SEND IT TO A NOTE TAKER OR EMBOSSER AND >>>>> READ ALONG LOOKING FOR BAD CAPTIONS AND THEN EDIT THE FILE AND RE UPLOAD >>>>> IT. THE ONLY THING I HAVE FOUND I CAN'T DO IS EDUT IN THE YOUTUBE EDITOR >>>>> BUT I HAVE AN ASK IN TO GOOGLE FOR THAT ONE DAY LUCY >>>>> Lucia Greco >>>>> Web Accessibility Evangelist >>>>> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration >>>>> University of California, Berkeley >>>>> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco >>>>> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu >>>>> Follow me on twitter @accessaces >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:42 PM Robert Spangler >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, is it possible for a blind person to check if there are >>>>>> captions in a video? Everything I know tells me not, but I want to ask >>>>>> anyway in case there is some way that I am unaware of. The captions are >>>>>> displayed in the actual video content, which is not readable by a screen >>>>>> reader. I know on YouTube, I might be able to tell by whether the captions >>>>>> button is present or not, but I'm not sure if that button is always there >>>>>> or just when captions are available. Even then, I don't think I would be >>>>>> able to evaluate the captions anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Robert >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Robert Spangler >>>>>> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >>>>>> rspangler1@udayton.edu >>>>>> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >>>>>> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >>>>>> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >>>>>> Phone: 937-229-2066 >>>>>> Fax: 937-229-3270 >>>>>> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >>>>>> hearing) >>>>>> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> athen-list mailing list >>>>>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>>>>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> athen-list mailing list >>>>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>>>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Robert Spangler >>>> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >>>> rspangler1@udayton.edu >>>> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >>>> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >>>> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >>>> Phone: 937-229-2066 >>>> Fax: 937-229-3270 >>>> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >>>> hearing) >>>> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> athen-list mailing list >>>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Alternate Media Supervisor* >>> Disabled Students' Program >>> University of California, Berkeley >>> https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ >>> >>> (510) 642-0329 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> Robert Spangler >> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >> rspangler1@udayton.edu >> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >> Ryan C. 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URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Wed Nov 7 11:01:19 2018 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Wed Nov 7 11:03:02 2018 Subject: [Athen] Alternate assignment for a blind student Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02B849ECD8@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> I recently had a positive experience that might be helpful to some of you accommodating blind students in computer science courses. As well as being a full-time college staffer I am also an occasional student, especially when the college offers a course that will help increase my skill set. Computer science courses often cover visual concepts like UML, flow charts and graphical design tools. I am less intimidated than many blind students by all the visual stuff because I was a software engineer for thirty years. I am currently taking a course in database design and implementation. Our first lab was to draw the extended entity relationship model for a database of our own creation. I explained early on to the instructor that I am visually impaired and unable to draw. I suggested that I submit a draft of a text-based extended entity relationship model for her to examine, and if appropriate, would she accept a final version for grading. She liked the idea: it's always best when the student figures out their own assignment accommodation, because it shows a willingness to do the work. My first draft had some problems and we met and discussed how I could improve my understanding of the concepts I was hazy on - I had trouble with the concepts of disjoint specializations and partial participation, for those of you who know this stuff. Anyway, She liked my final version so much that our next lab (which is entity-relationship model mapping to the relational model) that she is asking the other students to use a similar format to complete our second lab. I've attached my lab to this message. If you are a database wiz you will note that I've still made some mistakes, but it's pretty clear that I mostly understood the material. If the attachment doesn't come through I am happy to share it. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: CloudTV.txt URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Wed Nov 7 14:21:56 2018 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Wed Nov 7 14:23:12 2018 Subject: [Athen] Checking for Captions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02B849F1DD@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> I notice that it is much easier to read Youtube captions on a Braille display than it is with speech. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Monday, November 05, 2018 8:10 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Checking for Captions Hi Lucy, thanks for this informative reply! I did go into a YouTube video and was able to read the captions by arrowing up above the location slider on the video. It did not read them automatically; I had to arrow up and down to hear them, which could be problematic since they change a lot, but at least I was able to hear them. If you have suggestions on how I can do this better, that would be great. Thanks again for confirming that I can actually read the captions though! On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 1:37 PM Lucy Greco > wrote: HELLO: YOUR RONG WE CAN CHECK FOR CAPTIONS AND MANY BLIND PEOPLE EVEN ARE CART PROVIDERS. MOST PLATFORMS LIKE YOUTUBE AND VIMEO HAVE THE CAPTIONS AS TEXT ON THE SCREEN AND THE SCREEN READER CAN SPEAK THESE OR MORE INPORTENTLY A HARD OF HEREING OR DEF BLIND PERSON CAN FOLLOW ALONG ON A BRAILLE DISPLAY. TRY TURNING CAPTIONS ON IN YOUTUBE AND MUTING THE VIDEO AND HERE THE SCREEN READER READ A LONG. ON YOUTUBE YOU CAN ALSO COPY THE TEXT OF THE TRANSCRIPT AND SEND IT TO A NOTE TAKER OR EMBOSSER AND READ ALONG LOOKING FOR BAD CAPTIONS AND THEN EDIT THE FILE AND RE UPLOAD IT. THE ONLY THING I HAVE FOUND I CAN'T DO IS EDUT IN THE YOUTUBE EDITOR BUT I HAVE AN ASK IN TO GOOGLE FOR THAT ONE DAY LUCY Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 3:42 PM Robert Spangler > wrote: Hello, is it possible for a blind person to check if there are captions in a video? Everything I know tells me not, but I want to ask anyway in case there is some way that I am unaware of. The captions are displayed in the actual video content, which is not readable by a screen reader. I know on YouTube, I might be able to tell by whether the captions button is present or not, but I'm not sure if that button is always there or just when captions are available. Even then, I don't think I would be able to evaluate the captions anyway. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Wed Nov 7 14:48:20 2018 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Wed Nov 7 14:49:08 2018 Subject: [Athen] Opinion: is Aira killing or improving independence Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02B849F27B@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> I've noticed that many colleges are now supplementing help for blind students using Aira. Aira is a service that enables one to use either their phone's camera or special glasses to show a sighted agent what they are having difficulty with and the agent assists. The agent can help the user navigate, read signs, understand study materials such as charts and graphs, and do anything else that "requires" sight. Aira is also popular with newly-blinded folk, because it's an easy way to get instant help. Their website is here https://aira.io/ And a an edited description of the new plans is here: "AIRA Killing Unlimited Plan, Raising Prices for Others, Adding $29 Intro Plan" Reported by Blind Bargains https://www.blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=19611 Copying from that page's pricing info: New Plans * Intro: 30 minutes for $29 a month. 97 cents per minute. * Standard: 120 minutes for $99 a month. 83 cents per minute. * Advanced: 300 minutes for $199 a month. 66 cents per minute. * Premium (not advertised on website): 700 minutes for $329 a month. 47 cents per minute. Former Legacy Plans * Basic: 100 minutes for $89 a month. 89 cents per minute. * Plus: 200 minutes for $129 a month. 65 cents per minute. * Pro: 400 minutes for $199 a month. 50 cents per minute. * Unlimited: unlimited minutes for $329 a month. 47 cents per minute. Other Notes * Additional minutes can be purchased for $50 for 50 minutes, or a dollar per minute, which is higher than the cost of minutes on any of the current plans. * All plans except Intro can be shared with up to 2 other users. * Those wishing to use the Horizon glasses also will need to pay an additional $25 a month for 24 months or $600 one-time. Horizon is also not available on the Intro plan. * The plan for NFB members also remains, which is 140 minutes for $99 a month, so essentially 20 additional minutes. What bothers me about Aira is that it's tempting to use it to simply save time, which works great if you already know how to do something on your own. If you need to make sure you put tuna in the sandwich and not cat food, or you need to understand the anatomy textbook to prepare for an exam, Aira can be a lifesaver. I have friends who know how to use their phone to identify packages, and they know how to ask for directions to navigate an unfamiliar area. But they use Aira because it's more convenient than struggling. It's nice to have an Aira agent tell you if your colors match or you really are at the right restaurant. However, what happens when using Aira becomes a substitute for learning to do things on your own? Nobody's talking about this, but just as notetakers are often used when a student would do better with notetaking technologies like Sonocent, my concern is that Aira will become the easy but pricey fix. Technology does this too - the modern taxi driver seems unable to cope when his GPS goes down. So maybe I'm just a luddite. 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URL: From lgreco at berkeley.edu Wed Nov 7 15:26:42 2018 From: lgreco at berkeley.edu (Lucy Greco) Date: Wed Nov 7 15:27:32 2018 Subject: [Athen] Opinion: is Aira killing or improving independence In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02B849F27B@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02B849F27B@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: i do not use the service i am actualy vary aposed to it there take on privisy and confidentiality is offal. when i did try and use it they sucked me in by saying sure we can help you do things on your computer like edit a video well needliss to say they could not i was better able to learn what i needed with out them and a reel person sitting next to me and helping me lable controles. when i used the service to find my way when ubers let me off in the rong place they sent me in the wrong direction and made me more lost. the service is offal and i think to many blind people are willing to show there agents bank account numbers and medacal information and so on i dislike the service and there hard push to get it payed for by every one and that a low income populiss is targeted with a service that is pour quolaty and over rated because people thinks it might make then more indapendint when it just makes you look like a google glass ..... with cords hanging from your face and wires every wair Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 2:49 PM Deborah Armstrong wrote: > I?ve noticed that many colleges are now supplementing help for blind > students using Aira. Aira is a service that enables one to use either their > phone?s camera or special glasses to show a sighted agent what they are > having difficulty with and the agent assists. The agent can help the user > navigate, read signs, understand study materials such as charts and graphs, > and do anything else that ?requires? sight. > > > > Aira is also popular with newly-blinded folk, because it?s an easy way to > get instant help. > > > > Their website is here > > > > https://aira.io/ > > > > And a an edited description of the new plans is here: > > ?AIRA Killing Unlimited Plan, Raising Prices for Others, Adding $29 Intro > Plan? > > Reported by Blind Bargains > > https://www.blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=19611 > > > > Copying from that page?s pricing info: > > > > New Plans > > ? Intro: 30 minutes for $29 a month. 97 cents per minute. > > ? Standard: 120 minutes for $99 a month. 83 cents per minute. > > ? Advanced: 300 minutes for $199 a month. 66 cents per minute. > > ? Premium (not advertised on website): 700 minutes for $329 a month. 47 > cents per minute. > > > > Former Legacy Plans > > ? Basic: 100 minutes for $89 a month. 89 cents per minute. > > ? Plus: 200 minutes for $129 a month. 65 cents per minute. > > ? Pro: 400 minutes for $199 a month. 50 cents per minute. > > ? Unlimited: unlimited minutes for $329 a month. 47 cents per minute. > > > > Other Notes > > ? Additional minutes can be purchased for $50 for 50 minutes, or a dollar > per minute, which is higher than the cost of minutes on any of the current > plans. > > ? All plans except Intro can be shared with up to 2 other users. > > ? Those wishing to use the Horizon glasses also will need to pay an > additional $25 a month for 24 months or $600 one-time. Horizon is also not > available > > on the Intro plan. > > ? The plan for NFB members also remains, which is 140 minutes for $99 a > month, so essentially 20 additional minutes. > > > > What bothers me about Aira is that it?s tempting to use it to simply save > time, which works great if you already know how to do something on your > own. If you need to make sure you put tuna in the sandwich and not cat > food, or you need to understand the anatomy textbook to prepare for an > exam, Aira can be a lifesaver. I have friends who know how to use their > phone to identify packages, and they know how to ask for directions to > navigate an unfamiliar area. But they use Aira because it?s more convenient > than struggling. It?s nice to have an Aira agent tell you if your colors > match or you really are at the right restaurant. > > > > However, what happens when using Aira becomes a substitute for learning to > do things on your own? Nobody?s talking about this, but just as notetakers > are often used when a student would do better with notetaking technologies > like Sonocent, my concern is that Aira will become the easy but pricey fix. > Technology does this too ? the modern taxi driver seems unable to cope when > his GPS goes down. So maybe I?m just a luddite. Still, when I FaceTime my > girlfriend in Walmart to check the color of a garment before purchasing it, > I?m glad I don?t need Aira to function. > > > > --Debee > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From davew at brandeis.edu Thu Nov 8 05:53:29 2018 From: davew at brandeis.edu (David Wisniewski) Date: Thu Nov 8 05:54:02 2018 Subject: [Athen] Alternate assignment for a blind student In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02B849ECD8@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02B849ECD8@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: That?s awesome! Well done you; both for the creative problem solving in suggesting the course of action, but also in doing it so well that it became an example to follow. Thanks for sharing this positive development. Best wishes, David Wisniewski Information Design Accessibility Specialist Brandeis University IT Services > On Nov 7, 2018, at 2:01 PM, Deborah Armstrong wrote: > > Anyway, She liked my final version so much that our next lab (which is entity-relationship model mapping to the relational model) that she is asking the other students to use a similar format to complete our second lab. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mstores at indiana.edu Thu Nov 8 06:23:09 2018 From: mstores at indiana.edu (Stores, Mary A.) Date: Thu Nov 8 06:23:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Opinion: is Aira killing or improving independence In-Reply-To: References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02B849F27B@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: <85532d8888b64e67831c803f681f6c2e@IN-CCI-D1S15.ads.iu.edu> I respectfully disagree. I have used the service for almost two years now. The agents receive training on how to give directions, training that was developed by an O&M instructor. I was able to navigate the Dallas/Fort Worth airport with the help of Aira instead of being shoved into a wheel chair. When I moved into a new place agents helped me label my stove and figure out how to operate my microwave and thermostat. Mary From: athen-list On Behalf Of Lucy Greco Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 6:27 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Opinion: is Aira killing or improving independence i do not use the service i am actualy vary aposed to it there take on privisy and confidentiality is offal. when i did try and use it they sucked me in by saying sure we can help you do things on your computer like edit a video well needliss to say they could not i was better able to learn what i needed with out them and a reel person sitting next to me and helping me lable controles. when i used the service to find my way when ubers let me off in the rong place they sent me in the wrong direction and made me more lost. the service is offal and i think to many blind people are willing to show there agents bank account numbers and medacal information and so on i dislike the service and there hard push to get it payed for by every one and that a low income populiss is targeted with a service that is pour quolaty and over rated because people thinks it might make then more indapendint when it just makes you look like a google glass ..... with cords hanging from your face and wires every wair Lucia Greco Web Accessibility Evangelist IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco http://webaccess.berkeley.edu Follow me on twitter @accessaces On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 2:49 PM Deborah Armstrong > wrote: I?ve noticed that many colleges are now supplementing help for blind students using Aira. Aira is a service that enables one to use either their phone?s camera or special glasses to show a sighted agent what they are having difficulty with and the agent assists. The agent can help the user navigate, read signs, understand study materials such as charts and graphs, and do anything else that ?requires? sight. Aira is also popular with newly-blinded folk, because it?s an easy way to get instant help. Their website is here https://aira.io/ And a an edited description of the new plans is here: ?AIRA Killing Unlimited Plan, Raising Prices for Others, Adding $29 Intro Plan? Reported by Blind Bargains https://www.blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=19611 Copying from that page?s pricing info: New Plans ? Intro: 30 minutes for $29 a month. 97 cents per minute. ? Standard: 120 minutes for $99 a month. 83 cents per minute. ? Advanced: 300 minutes for $199 a month. 66 cents per minute. ? Premium (not advertised on website): 700 minutes for $329 a month. 47 cents per minute. Former Legacy Plans ? Basic: 100 minutes for $89 a month. 89 cents per minute. ? Plus: 200 minutes for $129 a month. 65 cents per minute. ? Pro: 400 minutes for $199 a month. 50 cents per minute. ? Unlimited: unlimited minutes for $329 a month. 47 cents per minute. Other Notes ? Additional minutes can be purchased for $50 for 50 minutes, or a dollar per minute, which is higher than the cost of minutes on any of the current plans. ? All plans except Intro can be shared with up to 2 other users. ? Those wishing to use the Horizon glasses also will need to pay an additional $25 a month for 24 months or $600 one-time. Horizon is also not available on the Intro plan. ? The plan for NFB members also remains, which is 140 minutes for $99 a month, so essentially 20 additional minutes. What bothers me about Aira is that it?s tempting to use it to simply save time, which works great if you already know how to do something on your own. If you need to make sure you put tuna in the sandwich and not cat food, or you need to understand the anatomy textbook to prepare for an exam, Aira can be a lifesaver. I have friends who know how to use their phone to identify packages, and they know how to ask for directions to navigate an unfamiliar area. But they use Aira because it?s more convenient than struggling. It?s nice to have an Aira agent tell you if your colors match or you really are at the right restaurant. However, what happens when using Aira becomes a substitute for learning to do things on your own? Nobody?s talking about this, but just as notetakers are often used when a student would do better with notetaking technologies like Sonocent, my concern is that Aira will become the easy but pricey fix. Technology does this too ? the modern taxi driver seems unable to cope when his GPS goes down. So maybe I?m just a luddite. Still, when I FaceTime my girlfriend in Walmart to check the color of a garment before purchasing it, I?m glad I don?t need Aira to function. --Debee _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 7155 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dina.rosenbaum at carroll.org Thu Nov 8 07:24:26 2018 From: dina.rosenbaum at carroll.org (Dina Rosenbaum) Date: Thu Nov 8 07:22:24 2018 Subject: [Athen] Don't Miss the Carroll Center Tech Fair! Message-ID: Join us on November 20th, 2018, spend the day learning about the latest assistive technology options for individuals with vision loss. 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GPS would be another example - newly blind individuals, or blind children, who are learning travel skills, should not use GPS. None of these services are replacements for the basic skill sets. Thankfully, none of this stuff was around when I was growing up, so I have the skill sets to manage my travel and other daily skills if my technology becomes unavailable for some reason, which we all know it inevitably does. I guess you could liken it to the argument that many schools attempt to push audio books on their blind students, instead of teaching them braille, which is ultimately setting them up for failure. Robert On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:53 PM Deborah Armstrong wrote: > I?ve noticed that many colleges are now supplementing help for blind > students using Aira. Aira is a service that enables one to use either their > phone?s camera or special glasses to show a sighted agent what they are > having difficulty with and the agent assists. The agent can help the user > navigate, read signs, understand study materials such as charts and graphs, > and do anything else that ?requires? sight. > > > > Aira is also popular with newly-blinded folk, because it?s an easy way to > get instant help. > > > > Their website is here > > > > https://aira.io/ > > > > And a an edited description of the new plans is here: > > ?AIRA Killing Unlimited Plan, Raising Prices for Others, Adding $29 Intro > Plan? > > Reported by Blind Bargains > > https://www.blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=19611 > > > > Copying from that page?s pricing info: > > > > New Plans > > ? Intro: 30 minutes for $29 a month. 97 cents per minute. > > ? Standard: 120 minutes for $99 a month. 83 cents per minute. > > ? Advanced: 300 minutes for $199 a month. 66 cents per minute. > > ? Premium (not advertised on website): 700 minutes for $329 a month. 47 > cents per minute. > > > > Former Legacy Plans > > ? Basic: 100 minutes for $89 a month. 89 cents per minute. > > ? Plus: 200 minutes for $129 a month. 65 cents per minute. > > ? Pro: 400 minutes for $199 a month. 50 cents per minute. > > ? Unlimited: unlimited minutes for $329 a month. 47 cents per minute. > > > > Other Notes > > ? Additional minutes can be purchased for $50 for 50 minutes, or a dollar > per minute, which is higher than the cost of minutes on any of the current > plans. > > ? All plans except Intro can be shared with up to 2 other users. > > ? Those wishing to use the Horizon glasses also will need to pay an > additional $25 a month for 24 months or $600 one-time. Horizon is also not > available > > on the Intro plan. > > ? The plan for NFB members also remains, which is 140 minutes for $99 a > month, so essentially 20 additional minutes. > > > > What bothers me about Aira is that it?s tempting to use it to simply save > time, which works great if you already know how to do something on your > own. If you need to make sure you put tuna in the sandwich and not cat > food, or you need to understand the anatomy textbook to prepare for an > exam, Aira can be a lifesaver. I have friends who know how to use their > phone to identify packages, and they know how to ask for directions to > navigate an unfamiliar area. But they use Aira because it?s more convenient > than struggling. It?s nice to have an Aira agent tell you if your colors > match or you really are at the right restaurant. > > > > However, what happens when using Aira becomes a substitute for learning to > do things on your own? Nobody?s talking about this, but just as notetakers > are often used when a student would do better with notetaking technologies > like Sonocent, my concern is that Aira will become the easy but pricey fix. > Technology does this too ? the modern taxi driver seems unable to cope when > his GPS goes down. So maybe I?m just a luddite. Still, when I FaceTime my > girlfriend in Walmart to check the color of a garment before purchasing it, > I?m glad I don?t need Aira to function. > > > > --Debee > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kpham at swccd.edu Fri Nov 9 01:42:59 2018 From: kpham at swccd.edu (Khoa Pham) Date: Fri Nov 9 01:44:04 2018 Subject: [Athen] Language attribute Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Regarding the use of the lang attribute. If a page housing an iframe already has the lang attribute applied to it, does the attribute also applies to the iframe as well or would the iframe require its own addition of the lang attribute? Khoa From dandrews at visi.com Fri Nov 9 04:14:57 2018 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri Nov 9 04:15:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Opinion: is Aira killing or improving independence In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02B849F27B@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02B849F27B@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: Debee: You are right about Aira and people taking the easy way out. Another danger is that entities will use it as a quick accommodation, instead of fixing their accessibility problems. Intuit pays for Aira use, for customers in certain instances. It would be better for all if they fixed their accessibility problems, once and for all. Personally I resent being forced to use one method, when others might be available and/or better. Dave At 04:48 PM 11/7/2018, you wrote: >Content-Language: en-US >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > >boundary="_000_61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02B849F27BMB1FHDALEARN_" > >I?ve noticed that many colleges are now >supplementing help for blind students using >Aira. Aira is a service that enables one to use >either their phone?s camera or special glasses >to show a sighted agent what they are having >difficulty with and the agent assists. The agent >can help the user navigate, read signs, >understand study materials such as charts and >graphs, and do anything else that ?requires? sight. > >Aira is also popular with newly-blinded folk, >because it?s an easy way to get instant help. > >Their website is here > >https://aira.io/ > >And a an edited description of the new plans is here: >?AIRA Killing Unlimited Plan, Raising Prices for >Others, Adding $29 Intro Plan? >Reported by Blind Bargains > >https://www.blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=19611 > >Copying from that page?s pricing info: > >New Plans >? Intro: 30 minutes for $29 a month. 97 cents per minute. >? Standard: 120 minutes for $99 a month. 83 cents per minute. >? Advanced: 300 minutes for $199 a month. 66 cents per minute. >? Premium (not advertised on website): 700 >minutes for $329 a month. 47 cents per minute. > >Former Legacy Plans >? Basic: 100 minutes for $89 a month. 89 cents per minute. >? Plus: 200 minutes for $129 a month. 65 cents per minute. >? Pro: 400 minutes for $199 a month. 50 cents per minute. >? Unlimited: unlimited minutes for $329 a month. 47 cents per minute. > >Other Notes >? Additional minutes can be purchased for $50 >for 50 minutes, or a dollar per minute, which is >higher than the cost of minutes on any of the current plans. >? All plans except Intro can be shared with up to 2 other users. >? Those wishing to use the Horizon glasses also >will need to pay an additional $25 a month for >24 months or $600 one-time. Horizon is also not available >on the Intro plan. >? The plan for NFB members also remains, which >is 140 minutes for $99 a month, so essentially 20 additional minutes. > >What bothers me about Aira is that it?s tempting >to use it to simply save time, which works great >if you already know how to do something on your >own. If you need to make sure you put tuna in >the sandwich and not cat food, or you need to >understand the anatomy textbook to prepare for >an exam, Aira can be a lifesaver. I have friends >who know how to use their phone to identify >packages, and they know how to ask for >directions to navigate an unfamiliar area. But >they use Aira because it?s more convenient than >struggling. It?s nice to have an Aira agent tell >you if your colors match or you really are at the right restaurant. > >However, what happens when using Aira becomes a >substitute for learning to do things on your >own? Nobody?s talking about this, but just as >notetakers are often used when a student would >do better with notetaking technologies like >Sonocent, my concern is that Aira will become >the easy but pricey fix. Technology does this >too ? the modern taxi driver seems unable to >cope when his GPS goes down. So maybe I?m just a >luddite. Still, when I FaceTime my girlfriend in >Walmart to check the color of a garment before >purchasing it, I?m glad I don?t need Aira to function. > >--Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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