From kschoeb1 at swarthmore.edu Sun Sep 2 07:59:22 2018 From: kschoeb1 at swarthmore.edu (Corrine Schoeb) Date: Sun Sep 2 08:00:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 152, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We've just started exploring Learning Ally (http://www.learningally.org/) On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 3:03 PM < athen-list-request@mailman12.u.washington.edu> wrote: > Send athen-list mailing list submissions to > athen-list@u.washington.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-list-request@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-list-owner@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Alternate format textbook sources (Hegney, Shaun) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 17:41:35 +0000 > From: "Hegney, Shaun" > To: "Hegney, Shaun" > Subject: [Athen] Alternate format textbook sources > Message-ID: > < > CY1PR0201MB185148D8FC1C87AFE857DEF2A1080@CY1PR0201MB1851.namprd02.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello all, > > I am doing a little research as I am trying to find more sources for > alternate format textbooks as it seems like our college is using less > common or harder to get books. Especially as we add increasingly niche > courses. I have been sourcing most of my books from Access Text, Book > Share and publishers directly. I have also used the Louis Database (I have > found a few braille books this way). > > If you have any other, sources please share your experience. In addition, > I am interested in hearing if anyone has found a membership to the access > text exchange worthwhile. > > Thanks, > > Shaun Hegney > Program Specialist 2 > Disability Support Services > Spokane Falls Community College > (509)-533-3544 > Shaun.Hegney@sfcc.spokane.edu > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20180830/a39c27d9/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > ------------------------------ > > End of athen-list Digest, Vol 152, Issue 1 > ****************************************** > -- Corrine Schoeb Technology Accessibility Coordinator, ITS 610-957-6208 *** Swarthmore College ITS will never ask you for your password, including by email. Please keep your passwords private to protect yourself and the security of our network. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net Sun Sep 2 12:43:05 2018 From: ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net (Shelley Haven) Date: Sun Sep 2 12:43:09 2018 Subject: [Athen] Alternate format textbook sources In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B753ABB-AD87-4082-B3A6-C423FFF69A7C@techpotential.net> Check CAST?s webpage on ?Digital Content & Media Sources? (part of their extensive AEM section) for other sources you might want to add to your list: http://aem.cast.org/navigating/digital-content-media-sources.html#.W4w63y2UV0o Best, Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant www.TechPotential.net > On Aug 30, 2018, at 10:41 AM, Hegney, Shaun wrote: > > Hello all, > > I am doing a little research as I am trying to find more sources for alternate format textbooks as it seems like our college is using less common or harder to get books. Especially as we add increasingly niche courses. I have been sourcing most of my books from Access Text, Book Share and publishers directly. I have also used the Louis Database (I have found a few braille books this way). > > If you have any other, sources please share your experience. In addition, I am interested in hearing if anyone has found a membership to the access text exchange worthwhile. > > Thanks, > > Shaun Hegney > Program Specialist 2 > Disability Support Services > Spokane Falls Community College > (509)-533-3544 > Shaun.Hegney@sfcc.spokane.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Sun Sep 2 19:14:12 2018 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (foreigntype) Date: Sun Sep 2 19:12:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Alternate format textbook sources In-Reply-To: <6B753ABB-AD87-4082-B3A6-C423FFF69A7C@techpotential.net> Message-ID: <5b8c9888.1c69fb81.c3e38.dadd@mx.google.com> All of the resources that used to be housed with the High Tech Training Center are also still available but are no longer with HTTC. I'll see if I can find a link and pass it on. Wink Harner Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Shelley Haven Date: 9/2/18 12:43 PM (GMT-08:00) To: ATHEN Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate format textbook sources Check CAST?s webpage on ?Digital Content & Media Sources? (part of their extensive AEM section) for other sources you might want to add to your list: http://aem.cast.org/navigating/digital-content-media-sources.html#.W4w63y2UV0o Best,? Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ?ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant www.TechPotential.net On Aug 30, 2018, at 10:41 AM, Hegney, Shaun wrote: Hello all,?I am doing a little research as I am trying to find more sources for alternate format textbooks as it seems like our college is using less common or harder to get books. Especially as we add increasingly niche courses. ?I have been sourcing most of my books from Access Text, Book Share and publishers directly. I have also used the Louis Database (I have found a few braille books this way).?If you have any other, sources please share your experience. In addition, I am interested in hearing if anyone has found a membership to the access text exchange worthwhile.?Thanks,?Shaun HegneyProgram Specialist 2Disability Support ServicesSpokane Falls Community College(509)-533-3544Shaun.Hegney@sfcc.spokane.edu??_______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tristenbreitenfeldt at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 12:41:55 2018 From: tristenbreitenfeldt at gmail.com (Tristen Breitenfeldt (Wipro Ltd.)) Date: Mon Sep 3 12:42:10 2018 Subject: [Athen] Alternate format textbook sources Message-ID: <003001d443be$2c1974a0$844c5de0$@gmail.com> Hi, While I was a student, I checked a couple different sources for accessible textbook formats before approaching the DRC at my college. I checked the following places: iBooks (from Apple) Kindle (from Amazon) BARD (from the National Library Service for the Blind) Audible.com BookShare These are all accessible sources for books. Sometimes my books were available and sometimes not. Sometimes I could get the right book in the wrong edition, which meant getting approval from my instructor. Yes, these are sources that Alternative Formats offices can also investigate, but I am a strong believer in encouraging students to exhaust the available options, doing some "leg work" on their own first. It is a little extra work for students to investigate these avenues on their own, but believe it or not having the ability to find my own accessible materials was extremely empowering and provided me with skills that have helped me in my career. I'm pretty sure that most students would feel similarly after finding their own books. I'm not saying that the Alt Formats office was unnecessary; quite the opposite in fact, because I frequently relied on them as my backup plan if I couldn't find the books I needed in an accessible format, or if I needed certain parts of a book in another format such as braille or tactile graphics. I also depended on the nudging and encouragement from my DRC counselor encouraging me to explore these other options, even when it was easier for me to get all my books from the Alt Formats office. Have a great day! Tristen Breitenfeldt Accessibility Tester/Trainer Wipro/Microsoft -----Original Message----- From: athen-list On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman12.u.washington.edu Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 12:00 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 152, Issue 3 Message: 1 Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 12:43:05 -0700 From: Shelley Haven To: ATHEN Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate format textbook sources Message-ID: <6B753ABB-AD87-4082-B3A6-C423FFF69A7C@techpotential.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Check CAST?s webpage on ?Digital Content & Media Sources? (part of their extensive AEM section) for other sources you might want to add to your list: http://aem.cast.org/navigating/digital-content-media-sources.html#.W4w63y2UV 0o Best, Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant www.TechPotential.net On Aug 30, 2018, at 10:41 AM, Hegney, Shaun wrote: Hello all, I am doing a little research as I am trying to find more sources for alternate format textbooks as it seems like our college is using less common or harder to get books. Especially as we add increasingly niche courses. I have been sourcing most of my books from Access Text, Book Share and publishers directly. I have also used the Louis Database (I have found a few braille books this way). If you have any other, sources please share your experience. In addition, I am interested in hearing if anyone has found a membership to the access text exchange worthwhile. Thanks, Shaun Hegney Program Specialist 2 Disability Support Services Spokane Falls Community College (509)-533-3544 Shaun.Hegney@sfcc.spokane.edu From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Tue Sep 4 07:09:48 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Tue Sep 4 07:10:07 2018 Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader In-Reply-To: <000f01d4412f$5da85bd0$18f91370$@karlencommunications.com> References: <000f01d4412f$5da85bd0$18f91370$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Yeah, that stinks. Are the tags in the PDF the same thing is what Adobe calls Bookmarks? On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of > HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading > from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the > Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF > documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it > is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or > comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note > or comment and the ?text on the page.? > > > > While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the > content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged > correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are > working from. > > > > You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Hello: > > > > I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader > user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most > accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found > a way to edit PDFs directly. > > > > Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, > I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the > text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if > there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to > determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. > > > > Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the > administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer > classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task > ultimately falls to me! > > > > I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working > with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems > with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not > always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my > students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient > for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. > > > > Looking forward to responses. > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Tue Sep 4 07:28:26 2018 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Tue Sep 4 07:28:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader In-Reply-To: References: <000f01d4412f$5da85bd0$18f91370$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <001101d4445b$8bba1d90$a32e58b0$@karlencommunications.com> No, Bookmarks are typically a list of the Headings in a document. If you are using Word, you can turn on the Navigation Pane (Alt + W, K in Word 2013/2016) and get a list of Headings in the document. This is similar to what you get when you convert a Word document or other formats to tagged PDF and have the ?create Bookmarks from Headings? setting turned on. It is also similar to getting a list of Headings with your adaptive technology. Apologies, I forget the keyboard command in versions of Word prior to 2013. Then it was under View, Document Map. Tags are similar to the HTML Tags where every paragraph has a

Tag, a Heading 1 has an

Tag with other Headings having corresponding numbers. Lists have a parent Tag with an Tag for a bullet or number and an Tag for the content of the bullet or number. Tables have a parent Tag and every row has a Tag with the cells having either
Tags for table Header cells or Tags for table Data cells. When adaptive technology gets a list of Headings, it should be drawing on the information in the Tags to get that list. The Bookmarks are another way to navigate the content if the document doesn?t have a Table of Contents or if you don?t want to return to a Table of Contents to move to another topic?you can open the Bookmarks Panel in the Adobe Reader or Acrobat Navigation Pane and see the ?list of Headings.? Of course you can make anything a Bookmark in a PDF document, but generally we use Headings to provide consistent navigational tools. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:10 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Yeah, that stinks. Are the tags in the PDF the same thing is what Adobe calls Bookmarks? On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM Karlen Communications > wrote: Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note or comment and the ?text on the page.? While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are working from. You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Hello: I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found a way to edit PDFs directly. Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task ultimately falls to me! I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. Looking forward to responses. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Tue Sep 4 07:53:57 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Tue Sep 4 07:54:36 2018 Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader In-Reply-To: <001101d4445b$8bba1d90$a32e58b0$@karlencommunications.com> References: <000f01d4412f$5da85bd0$18f91370$@karlencommunications.com> <001101d4445b$8bba1d90$a32e58b0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Thanks so much for this detailed explanation. I have HTML experience, so this makes a lot of sense. Often times I do not have a student worker available to help me (summer breaks and such) so I have to break books into chapters upon receipt from the publisher. I find it very useful if there are bookmarks, because I can extract those by going to this treeview in Adobe, invoking the context menu on each one and choosing print section. I then print it to the Microsoft Print to PDF. Many books do not offer this luxury, however, and it's much harder to find the page numbers to know what ranges to extract for each chapter. Is this another task that is simply going to be tougher for those of us who use screen readers? The way Adobe lags with screen readers, jumps around at times in the buffer, just makes me want to bang my head against the wall every time I have to deal with it. I use a program called QRead for reading PDFs which simplifies the experience by presenting the document like a text file. Robert On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:34 AM Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > No, Bookmarks are typically a list of the Headings in a document. If you > are using Word, you can turn on the Navigation Pane (Alt + W, K in Word > 2013/2016) and get a list of Headings in the document. This is similar to > what you get when you convert a Word document or other formats to tagged > PDF and have the ?create Bookmarks from Headings? setting turned on. It is > also similar to getting a list of Headings with your adaptive technology. > > > > Apologies, I forget the keyboard command in versions of Word prior to > 2013. Then it was under View, Document Map. > > > > Tags are similar to the HTML Tags where every paragraph has a

Tag, a > Heading 1 has an

Tag with other Headings having corresponding numbers. > Lists have a parent Tag with an Tag for a bullet or number and an > Tag for the content of the bullet or number. Tables have a parent > Tag and every row has a Tag with the cells having either
> Tags for table Header cells or Tags for table Data cells. > > > > When adaptive technology gets a list of Headings, it should be drawing on > the information in the Tags to get that list. The Bookmarks are another way > to navigate the content if the document doesn?t have a Table of Contents or > if you don?t want to return to a Table of Contents to move to another > topic?you can open the Bookmarks Panel in the Adobe Reader or Acrobat > Navigation Pane and see the ?list of Headings.? Of course you can make > anything a Bookmark in a PDF document, but generally we use Headings to > provide consistent navigational tools. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:10 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Yeah, that stinks. Are the tags in the PDF the same thing is what Adobe > calls Bookmarks? > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > > Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of > HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading > from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the > Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF > documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it > is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or > comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note > or comment and the ?text on the page.? > > > > While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the > content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged > correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are > working from. > > > > You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Hello: > > > > I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader > user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most > accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found > a way to edit PDFs directly. > > > > Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, > I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the > text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if > there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to > determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. > > > > Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the > administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer > classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task > ultimately falls to me! > > > > I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working > with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems > with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not > always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my > students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient > for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. > > > > Looking forward to responses. > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adietrich at cornell.edu Tue Sep 4 08:00:08 2018 From: adietrich at cornell.edu (Andrea L. Dietrich) Date: Tue Sep 4 08:00:23 2018 Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader In-Reply-To: References: <000f01d4412f$5da85bd0$18f91370$@karlencommunications.com> <001101d4445b$8bba1d90$a32e58b0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: For chapter splitting, there?s actually a setting in Acrobat where you can tell the program to split on ?top-level bookmarks,? and it just exports all the chapters separately. IDK how well that would work with a screen reader but it?s less time-consuming than printing each PDF to a file individually, in my experience. Just FYI ? sorry I can?t speak to the rest of your questions, since I?m sighted. Good luck! -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:54 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Thanks so much for this detailed explanation. I have HTML experience, so this makes a lot of sense. Often times I do not have a student worker available to help me (summer breaks and such) so I have to break books into chapters upon receipt from the publisher. I find it very useful if there are bookmarks, because I can extract those by going to this treeview in Adobe, invoking the context menu on each one and choosing print section. I then print it to the Microsoft Print to PDF. Many books do not offer this luxury, however, and it's much harder to find the page numbers to know what ranges to extract for each chapter. Is this another task that is simply going to be tougher for those of us who use screen readers? The way Adobe lags with screen readers, jumps around at times in the buffer, just makes me want to bang my head against the wall every time I have to deal with it. I use a program called QRead for reading PDFs which simplifies the experience by presenting the document like a text file. Robert On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:34 AM Karlen Communications > wrote: No, Bookmarks are typically a list of the Headings in a document. If you are using Word, you can turn on the Navigation Pane (Alt + W, K in Word 2013/2016) and get a list of Headings in the document. This is similar to what you get when you convert a Word document or other formats to tagged PDF and have the ?create Bookmarks from Headings? setting turned on. It is also similar to getting a list of Headings with your adaptive technology. Apologies, I forget the keyboard command in versions of Word prior to 2013. Then it was under View, Document Map. Tags are similar to the HTML Tags where every paragraph has a

Tag, a Heading 1 has an

Tag with other Headings having corresponding numbers. Lists have a parent Tag with an Tag for a bullet or number and an Tag for the content of the bullet or number. Tables have a parent Tag and every row has a Tag with the cells having either
Tags for table Header cells or Tags for table Data cells. When adaptive technology gets a list of Headings, it should be drawing on the information in the Tags to get that list. The Bookmarks are another way to navigate the content if the document doesn?t have a Table of Contents or if you don?t want to return to a Table of Contents to move to another topic?you can open the Bookmarks Panel in the Adobe Reader or Acrobat Navigation Pane and see the ?list of Headings.? Of course you can make anything a Bookmark in a PDF document, but generally we use Headings to provide consistent navigational tools. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:10 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Yeah, that stinks. Are the tags in the PDF the same thing is what Adobe calls Bookmarks? On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM Karlen Communications > wrote: Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note or comment and the ?text on the page.? While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are working from. You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Hello: I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found a way to edit PDFs directly. Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task ultimately falls to me! I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. Looking forward to responses. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Tue Sep 4 08:24:07 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Tue Sep 4 08:24:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader In-Reply-To: References: <000f01d4412f$5da85bd0$18f91370$@karlencommunications.com> <001101d4445b$8bba1d90$a32e58b0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Thank you! Where can I find this setting? Worth looking into. On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:13 AM Andrea L. Dietrich wrote: > For chapter splitting, there?s actually a setting in Acrobat where you can > tell the program to split on ?top-level bookmarks,? and it just exports all > the chapters separately. IDK how well that would work with a screen reader > but it?s less time-consuming than printing each PDF to a file individually, > in my experience. > > > > Just FYI ? sorry I can?t speak to the rest of your questions, since I?m > sighted. > > > > Good luck! > > > > -Andi :) > > > > -------------------------- > > Andrea Dietrich > > Cornell University > > Student Disability Services > > Cornell Health, Level 5 > > 110 Ho Plaza > > Ithaca, NY 14853 > > http://sds.cornell.edu > > > > Tel. 607.254.4545 > > Fax. 607.255.1562 > > > > Office Hours: > > Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM > > Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:54 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Thanks so much for this detailed explanation. I have HTML experience, so > this makes a lot of sense. Often times I do not have a student worker > available to help me (summer breaks and such) so I have to break books into > chapters upon receipt from the publisher. I find it very useful if there > are bookmarks, because I can extract those by going to this treeview in > Adobe, invoking the context menu on each one and choosing print section. I > then print it to the Microsoft Print to PDF. > > > > Many books do not offer this luxury, however, and it's much harder to find > the page numbers to know what ranges to extract for each chapter. Is this > another task that is simply going to be tougher for those of us who use > screen readers? The way Adobe lags with screen readers, jumps around at > times in the buffer, just makes me want to bang my head against the wall > every time I have to deal with it. I use a program called QRead for > reading PDFs which simplifies the experience by presenting the document > like a text file. > > > Robert > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:34 AM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > > No, Bookmarks are typically a list of the Headings in a document. If you > are using Word, you can turn on the Navigation Pane (Alt + W, K in Word > 2013/2016) and get a list of Headings in the document. This is similar to > what you get when you convert a Word document or other formats to tagged > PDF and have the ?create Bookmarks from Headings? setting turned on. It is > also similar to getting a list of Headings with your adaptive technology. > > > > Apologies, I forget the keyboard command in versions of Word prior to > 2013. Then it was under View, Document Map. > > > > Tags are similar to the HTML Tags where every paragraph has a

Tag, a > Heading 1 has an

Tag with other Headings having corresponding numbers. > Lists have a parent Tag with an Tag for a bullet or number and an > Tag for the content of the bullet or number. Tables have a parent > Tag and every row has a Tag with the cells having either
> Tags for table Header cells or Tags for table Data cells. > > > > When adaptive technology gets a list of Headings, it should be drawing on > the information in the Tags to get that list. The Bookmarks are another way > to navigate the content if the document doesn?t have a Table of Contents or > if you don?t want to return to a Table of Contents to move to another > topic?you can open the Bookmarks Panel in the Adobe Reader or Acrobat > Navigation Pane and see the ?list of Headings.? Of course you can make > anything a Bookmark in a PDF document, but generally we use Headings to > provide consistent navigational tools. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:10 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Yeah, that stinks. Are the tags in the PDF the same thing is what Adobe > calls Bookmarks? > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > > Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of > HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading > from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the > Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF > documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it > is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or > comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note > or comment and the ?text on the page.? > > > > While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the > content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged > correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are > working from. > > > > You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Hello: > > > > I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader > user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most > accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found > a way to edit PDFs directly. > > > > Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, > I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the > text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if > there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to > determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. > > > > Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the > administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer > classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task > ultimately falls to me! > > > > I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working > with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems > with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not > always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my > students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient > for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. > > > > Looking forward to responses. > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adietrich at cornell.edu Tue Sep 4 09:16:00 2018 From: adietrich at cornell.edu (Andrea L. Dietrich) Date: Tue Sep 4 09:16:08 2018 Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader In-Reply-To: References: <000f01d4412f$5da85bd0$18f91370$@karlencommunications.com> <001101d4445b$8bba1d90$a32e58b0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: In Acrobat Pro 2017, it?s under ?Tools, Organize Pages, Split.? Then you have to change the settings under Split from ?Number of Pages? to ?Top Level Bookmarks.? If you want, under Output Options, there is a setting ?Use bookmark names for file names.? You can ONLY choose that if you?ve already chosen ?Top Level Bookmarks? for your splitting option, though. Otherwise it?s greyed out and you can?t select it. Typically, when I?m splitting a PDF, I?ll go through and bookmark the beginning of each chapter, then use the file splitting to make my chapters. It?s quicker than exporting or printing each chapter manually. -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 11:24 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Thank you! Where can I find this setting? Worth looking into. On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:13 AM Andrea L. Dietrich > wrote: For chapter splitting, there?s actually a setting in Acrobat where you can tell the program to split on ?top-level bookmarks,? and it just exports all the chapters separately. IDK how well that would work with a screen reader but it?s less time-consuming than printing each PDF to a file individually, in my experience. Just FYI ? sorry I can?t speak to the rest of your questions, since I?m sighted. Good luck! -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:54 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Thanks so much for this detailed explanation. I have HTML experience, so this makes a lot of sense. Often times I do not have a student worker available to help me (summer breaks and such) so I have to break books into chapters upon receipt from the publisher. I find it very useful if there are bookmarks, because I can extract those by going to this treeview in Adobe, invoking the context menu on each one and choosing print section. I then print it to the Microsoft Print to PDF. Many books do not offer this luxury, however, and it's much harder to find the page numbers to know what ranges to extract for each chapter. Is this another task that is simply going to be tougher for those of us who use screen readers? The way Adobe lags with screen readers, jumps around at times in the buffer, just makes me want to bang my head against the wall every time I have to deal with it. I use a program called QRead for reading PDFs which simplifies the experience by presenting the document like a text file. Robert On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:34 AM Karlen Communications > wrote: No, Bookmarks are typically a list of the Headings in a document. If you are using Word, you can turn on the Navigation Pane (Alt + W, K in Word 2013/2016) and get a list of Headings in the document. This is similar to what you get when you convert a Word document or other formats to tagged PDF and have the ?create Bookmarks from Headings? setting turned on. It is also similar to getting a list of Headings with your adaptive technology. Apologies, I forget the keyboard command in versions of Word prior to 2013. Then it was under View, Document Map. Tags are similar to the HTML Tags where every paragraph has a

Tag, a Heading 1 has an

Tag with other Headings having corresponding numbers. Lists have a parent Tag with an Tag for a bullet or number and an Tag for the content of the bullet or number. Tables have a parent Tag and every row has a Tag with the cells having either
Tags for table Header cells or Tags for table Data cells. When adaptive technology gets a list of Headings, it should be drawing on the information in the Tags to get that list. The Bookmarks are another way to navigate the content if the document doesn?t have a Table of Contents or if you don?t want to return to a Table of Contents to move to another topic?you can open the Bookmarks Panel in the Adobe Reader or Acrobat Navigation Pane and see the ?list of Headings.? Of course you can make anything a Bookmark in a PDF document, but generally we use Headings to provide consistent navigational tools. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:10 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Yeah, that stinks. Are the tags in the PDF the same thing is what Adobe calls Bookmarks? On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM Karlen Communications > wrote: Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note or comment and the ?text on the page.? While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are working from. You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Hello: I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found a way to edit PDFs directly. Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task ultimately falls to me! I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. Looking forward to responses. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Tue Sep 4 09:34:55 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Tue Sep 4 09:35:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader In-Reply-To: References: <000f01d4412f$5da85bd0$18f91370$@karlencommunications.com> <001101d4445b$8bba1d90$a32e58b0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Awesome! Does anyone know if this same process is possible in Abbyy and how to do it if it is? On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 12:25 PM Andrea L. Dietrich wrote: > In Acrobat Pro 2017, it?s under ?Tools, Organize Pages, Split.? > > > > Then you have to change the settings under Split from ?Number of Pages? to > ?Top Level Bookmarks.? If you want, under Output Options, there is a > setting ?Use bookmark names for file names.? You can ONLY choose that if > you?ve already chosen ?Top Level Bookmarks? for your splitting option, > though. Otherwise it?s greyed out and you can?t select it. > > > > Typically, when I?m splitting a PDF, I?ll go through and bookmark the > beginning of each chapter, then use the file splitting to make my chapters. > It?s quicker than exporting or printing each chapter manually. > > > > -Andi :) > > > > -------------------------- > > Andrea Dietrich > > Cornell University > > Student Disability Services > > Cornell Health, Level 5 > > 110 Ho Plaza > > Ithaca, NY 14853 > > http://sds.cornell.edu > > > > Tel. 607.254.4545 > > Fax. 607.255.1562 > > > > Office Hours: > > Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM > > Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2018 11:24 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Thank you! Where can I find this setting? Worth looking into. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:13 AM Andrea L. Dietrich > wrote: > > For chapter splitting, there?s actually a setting in Acrobat where you can > tell the program to split on ?top-level bookmarks,? and it just exports all > the chapters separately. IDK how well that would work with a screen reader > but it?s less time-consuming than printing each PDF to a file individually, > in my experience. > > > > Just FYI ? sorry I can?t speak to the rest of your questions, since I?m > sighted. > > > > Good luck! > > > > -Andi :) > > > > -------------------------- > > Andrea Dietrich > > Cornell University > > Student Disability Services > > Cornell Health, Level 5 > > 110 Ho Plaza > > Ithaca, NY 14853 > > http://sds.cornell.edu > > > > Tel. 607.254.4545 > > Fax. 607.255.1562 > > > > Office Hours: > > Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM > > Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:54 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Thanks so much for this detailed explanation. I have HTML experience, so > this makes a lot of sense. Often times I do not have a student worker > available to help me (summer breaks and such) so I have to break books into > chapters upon receipt from the publisher. I find it very useful if there > are bookmarks, because I can extract those by going to this treeview in > Adobe, invoking the context menu on each one and choosing print section. I > then print it to the Microsoft Print to PDF. > > > > Many books do not offer this luxury, however, and it's much harder to find > the page numbers to know what ranges to extract for each chapter. Is this > another task that is simply going to be tougher for those of us who use > screen readers? The way Adobe lags with screen readers, jumps around at > times in the buffer, just makes me want to bang my head against the wall > every time I have to deal with it. I use a program called QRead for > reading PDFs which simplifies the experience by presenting the document > like a text file. > > > Robert > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:34 AM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > > No, Bookmarks are typically a list of the Headings in a document. If you > are using Word, you can turn on the Navigation Pane (Alt + W, K in Word > 2013/2016) and get a list of Headings in the document. This is similar to > what you get when you convert a Word document or other formats to tagged > PDF and have the ?create Bookmarks from Headings? setting turned on. It is > also similar to getting a list of Headings with your adaptive technology. > > > > Apologies, I forget the keyboard command in versions of Word prior to > 2013. Then it was under View, Document Map. > > > > Tags are similar to the HTML Tags where every paragraph has a

Tag, a > Heading 1 has an

Tag with other Headings having corresponding numbers. > Lists have a parent Tag with an Tag for a bullet or number and an > Tag for the content of the bullet or number. Tables have a parent > Tag and every row has a Tag with the cells having either
> Tags for table Header cells or Tags for table Data cells. > > > > When adaptive technology gets a list of Headings, it should be drawing on > the information in the Tags to get that list. The Bookmarks are another way > to navigate the content if the document doesn?t have a Table of Contents or > if you don?t want to return to a Table of Contents to move to another > topic?you can open the Bookmarks Panel in the Adobe Reader or Acrobat > Navigation Pane and see the ?list of Headings.? Of course you can make > anything a Bookmark in a PDF document, but generally we use Headings to > provide consistent navigational tools. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:10 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Yeah, that stinks. Are the tags in the PDF the same thing is what Adobe > calls Bookmarks? > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > > Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of > HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading > from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the > Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF > documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it > is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or > comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note > or comment and the ?text on the page.? > > > > While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the > content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged > correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are > working from. > > > > You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Hello: > > > > I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader > user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most > accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found > a way to edit PDFs directly. > > > > Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, > I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the > text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if > there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to > determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. > > > > Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the > administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer > classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task > ultimately falls to me! > > > > I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working > with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems > with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not > always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my > students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient > for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. > > > > Looking forward to responses. > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. 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Respectfully, Joseph On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 12:46 PM Tristen Breitenfeldt (Wipro Ltd.) < tristenbreitenfeldt@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > While I was a student, I checked a couple different sources for accessible > textbook formats before approaching the DRC at my college. > I checked the following places: > iBooks (from Apple) > Kindle (from Amazon) > BARD (from the National Library Service for the Blind) > Audible.com > BookShare > > These are all accessible sources for books. Sometimes my books were > available and sometimes not. Sometimes I could get the right book in the > wrong edition, which meant getting approval from my instructor. > Yes, these are sources that Alternative Formats offices can also > investigate, but I am a strong believer in encouraging students to exhaust > the available options, doing some "leg work" on their own first. It is a > little extra work for students to investigate these avenues on their own, > but believe it or not having the ability to find my own accessible > materials > was extremely empowering and provided me with skills that have helped me in > my career. I'm pretty sure that most students would feel similarly after > finding their own books. > I'm not saying that the Alt Formats office was unnecessary; quite the > opposite in fact, because I frequently relied on them as my backup plan if > I > couldn't find the books I needed in an accessible format, or if I needed > certain parts of a book in another format such as braille or tactile > graphics. I also depended on the nudging and encouragement from my DRC > counselor encouraging me to explore these other options, even when it was > easier for me to get all my books from the Alt Formats office. > > Have a great day! > > Tristen Breitenfeldt > Accessibility Tester/Trainer > Wipro/Microsoft > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list On Behalf > Of athen-list-request@mailman12.u.washington.edu > Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 12:00 PM > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 152, Issue 3 > > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 12:43:05 -0700 > From: Shelley Haven > To: ATHEN > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate format textbook sources > Message-ID: <6B753ABB-AD87-4082-B3A6-C423FFF69A7C@techpotential.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Check CAST?s webpage on ?Digital Content & Media Sources? (part of their > extensive AEM section) for other sources you might want to add to your > list: > > > http://aem.cast.org/navigating/digital-content-media-sources.html#.W4w63y2UV > 0o > > < > http://aem.cast.org/navigating/digital-content-media-sources.html#.W4w63y2U > V0o > > > > > Best, > Shelley > > _____________________________ > Shelley Haven ATP, RET > Assistive Technology Consultant > www.TechPotential.net > > > > On Aug 30, 2018, at 10:41 AM, Hegney, Shaun < > Shaun.Hegney@sfcc.spokane.edu> > wrote: > > Hello all, > > I am doing a little research as I am trying to find more sources for > alternate format textbooks as it seems like our college is using less > common > or harder to get books. Especially as we add increasingly niche courses. I > have been sourcing most of my books from Access Text, Book Share and > publishers directly. I have also used the Louis Database (I have found a > few > braille books this way). > > If you have any other, sources please share your experience. In addition, > I > am interested in hearing if anyone has found a membership to the access > text > exchange worthwhile. > > Thanks, > > Shaun Hegney > Program Specialist 2 > Disability Support Services > Spokane Falls Community College > (509)-533-3544 > Shaun.Hegney@sfcc.spokane.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- *Alternate Media Supervisor* Disabled Students' Program University of California, Berkeley https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ (510) 642-0329 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 12:35 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Awesome! Does anyone know if this same process is possible in Abbyy and how to do it if it is? On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 12:25 PM Andrea L. Dietrich > wrote: In Acrobat Pro 2017, it?s under ?Tools, Organize Pages, Split.? Then you have to change the settings under Split from ?Number of Pages? to ?Top Level Bookmarks.? If you want, under Output Options, there is a setting ?Use bookmark names for file names.? You can ONLY choose that if you?ve already chosen ?Top Level Bookmarks? for your splitting option, though. Otherwise it?s greyed out and you can?t select it. Typically, when I?m splitting a PDF, I?ll go through and bookmark the beginning of each chapter, then use the file splitting to make my chapters. It?s quicker than exporting or printing each chapter manually. -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 11:24 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Thank you! Where can I find this setting? Worth looking into. On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:13 AM Andrea L. Dietrich > wrote: For chapter splitting, there?s actually a setting in Acrobat where you can tell the program to split on ?top-level bookmarks,? and it just exports all the chapters separately. IDK how well that would work with a screen reader but it?s less time-consuming than printing each PDF to a file individually, in my experience. Just FYI ? sorry I can?t speak to the rest of your questions, since I?m sighted. Good luck! -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:54 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Thanks so much for this detailed explanation. I have HTML experience, so this makes a lot of sense. Often times I do not have a student worker available to help me (summer breaks and such) so I have to break books into chapters upon receipt from the publisher. I find it very useful if there are bookmarks, because I can extract those by going to this treeview in Adobe, invoking the context menu on each one and choosing print section. I then print it to the Microsoft Print to PDF. Many books do not offer this luxury, however, and it's much harder to find the page numbers to know what ranges to extract for each chapter. Is this another task that is simply going to be tougher for those of us who use screen readers? The way Adobe lags with screen readers, jumps around at times in the buffer, just makes me want to bang my head against the wall every time I have to deal with it. I use a program called QRead for reading PDFs which simplifies the experience by presenting the document like a text file. Robert On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:34 AM Karlen Communications > wrote: No, Bookmarks are typically a list of the Headings in a document. If you are using Word, you can turn on the Navigation Pane (Alt + W, K in Word 2013/2016) and get a list of Headings in the document. This is similar to what you get when you convert a Word document or other formats to tagged PDF and have the ?create Bookmarks from Headings? setting turned on. It is also similar to getting a list of Headings with your adaptive technology. Apologies, I forget the keyboard command in versions of Word prior to 2013. Then it was under View, Document Map. Tags are similar to the HTML Tags where every paragraph has a

Tag, a Heading 1 has an

Tag with other Headings having corresponding numbers. Lists have a parent Tag with an Tag for a bullet or number and an Tag for the content of the bullet or number. Tables have a parent Tag and every row has a Tag with the cells having either
Tags for table Header cells or Tags for table Data cells. When adaptive technology gets a list of Headings, it should be drawing on the information in the Tags to get that list. The Bookmarks are another way to navigate the content if the document doesn?t have a Table of Contents or if you don?t want to return to a Table of Contents to move to another topic?you can open the Bookmarks Panel in the Adobe Reader or Acrobat Navigation Pane and see the ?list of Headings.? Of course you can make anything a Bookmark in a PDF document, but generally we use Headings to provide consistent navigational tools. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:10 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Yeah, that stinks. Are the tags in the PDF the same thing is what Adobe calls Bookmarks? On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM Karlen Communications > wrote: Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note or comment and the ?text on the page.? While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are working from. You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Hello: I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found a way to edit PDFs directly. Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task ultimately falls to me! I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. Looking forward to responses. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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A few > Echo devices we'd loan out all had the screens fail on them with the > company offering what, $67 to trade in for another one. > > They have had the wireless one come an go in a short span of time and used > to have a pro-pack with pen and 4 notebooks but haven't found that one > recently. > > Some of our DO-IT Scholars have been more interested in using Sonocent. > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu) < > ecmatson@uidaho.edu> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> New to the list, so I apologize if this topic has already been covered. I >> currently have students waiting for a smart pen as a note taking >> accommodation. We have been using the Live Scribe Echo, but when I went to >> buy more yesterday, every place is sold out. The students have already been >> waiting for two weeks, thanks to an Amazon shipping error that?s looking >> more and more like will end up being refunded. With all that in mind I >> started looking into the Live Scribe 3, but have some concerns, so was >> wondering if anyone has used that model? >> >> >> >> My main concern is the 3 doesn?t have a built in mic, so the student >> would have to use their phone to record audio. Looking at reviews, the app >> that goes with the pen is a battery hog, so I?m worried about students >> having enough phone charge to get through back to back lectures. We could >> include that access to power as part of their accommodation, but that >> doesn?t change the fact that the student then has to make sure they have >> their phone and charger at all times. >> >> >> >> Thanks for any input! >> >> >> >> >> >> *Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist* >> >> Center for Disability Access and Resources >> >> Division of Student Affairs >> >> The University of Idaho >> >> Phone: 208.885.6307 | ecmatson@uidaho.edu| Bruce M. Pitman Center 127 >> >> Fax: 208.885.9404 >> >> Campus Zip: 4257 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> > > > -- > Doug Hayman w.edu> > Senior Computer Specialist > DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) > UW Technology Services > Box 354842 > Seattle, WA 98195 > (206) 221-4165 > http://www.washington.edu/doit > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Wed Sep 5 08:06:00 2018 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Wed Sep 5 08:06:44 2018 Subject: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Years ago, I bought several Echo pens and many of the shafts (bottom half of the pen) cracked slightly and made the recordings noisy. Livescribe told me it was a defect and they sent me new shafts with instructions on how to replace. They were polite, accommodating and quick to respond. I was very impressed. Now, I recently contacted via their chatline to ask how soon we could expect more pens since everyone needs them at the beginning of the fall semester. I asked what was going on and why they had a shortage. I was treated rather sarcastically and was told I guess it?s because ?everybody needs them at the beginning of the fall semester.? Not a friendly response. However, I have not found anything that will do the job as well as the Echo pen. Students claim that their grades improve significantly after they start using the smartpen. Those that can afford it, buy them. Sonocent seems cumbersome to me with all its colors and the need for a laptop in the class. But I haven?t actually asked students to try it. I know people think it has a coolness factor but does it really help with actual grades? Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens They're an irritating company in general. It's almost as if they're not interested in selling their products. We use a purchasing system here, to which we must add suppliers, and they have not been working with us at all - as if they're ignoring our emails. I imagine that most institutions have such a purchasing system, so it shouldn't be too unusual. I was forced to purchase from other sources like Amazon. If this were for my personal life, I'd boycott them completely. On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:58 AM Doug Hayman > wrote: I was buying the Echo directly from Livescribe.com a few months ago. They have been an irritating company to deal with over the years. A few Echo devices we'd loan out all had the screens fail on them with the company offering what, $67 to trade in for another one. They have had the wireless one come an go in a short span of time and used to have a pro-pack with pen and 4 notebooks but haven't found that one recently. Some of our DO-IT Scholars have been more interested in using Sonocent. On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu) > wrote: Hi all, New to the list, so I apologize if this topic has already been covered. I currently have students waiting for a smart pen as a note taking accommodation. We have been using the Live Scribe Echo, but when I went to buy more yesterday, every place is sold out. The students have already been waiting for two weeks, thanks to an Amazon shipping error that?s looking more and more like will end up being refunded. With all that in mind I started looking into the Live Scribe 3, but have some concerns, so was wondering if anyone has used that model? My main concern is the 3 doesn?t have a built in mic, so the student would have to use their phone to record audio. Looking at reviews, the app that goes with the pen is a battery hog, so I?m worried about students having enough phone charge to get through back to back lectures. We could include that access to power as part of their accommodation, but that doesn?t change the fact that the student then has to make sure they have their phone and charger at all times. Thanks for any input! Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist Center for Disability Access and Resources Division of Student Affairs The University of Idaho Phone: 208.885.6307 | ecmatson@uidaho.edu| Bruce M. Pitman Center 127 Fax: 208.885.9404 Campus Zip: 4257 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Doug Hayman w.edu> Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15239 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From justinr at disability.tamu.edu Wed Sep 5 08:09:13 2018 From: justinr at disability.tamu.edu (Justin Romack) Date: Wed Sep 5 08:09:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012637bb8f4541b5bad1c54b5ea278eb@disability.tamu.edu> Does anyone have a direct contact they?ve worked with at LiveScribe? I?m baffled at the lack of customer service and support. Live chat is not an acceptable channel for the types of requests and, quite frankly, the types of concerns we?ve had with these devices over the past couple of years. I agree with you, Robert, it?s as if they have no desire to sell their products or have a continued relationship with educational partners ? because their product hasn?t improved, their communication stinks and it?s nearly impossible to find the pens anymore. Thanks, Justin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Services | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 8:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens They're an irritating company in general. It's almost as if they're not interested in selling their products. We use a purchasing system here, to which we must add suppliers, and they have not been working with us at all - as if they're ignoring our emails. I imagine that most institutions have such a purchasing system, so it shouldn't be too unusual. I was forced to purchase from other sources like Amazon. If this were for my personal life, I'd boycott them completely. On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:58 AM Doug Hayman > wrote: I was buying the Echo directly from Livescribe.com a few months ago. They have been an irritating company to deal with over the years. A few Echo devices we'd loan out all had the screens fail on them with the company offering what, $67 to trade in for another one. They have had the wireless one come an go in a short span of time and used to have a pro-pack with pen and 4 notebooks but haven't found that one recently. Some of our DO-IT Scholars have been more interested in using Sonocent. On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu) > wrote: Hi all, New to the list, so I apologize if this topic has already been covered. I currently have students waiting for a smart pen as a note taking accommodation. We have been using the Live Scribe Echo, but when I went to buy more yesterday, every place is sold out. The students have already been waiting for two weeks, thanks to an Amazon shipping error that?s looking more and more like will end up being refunded. With all that in mind I started looking into the Live Scribe 3, but have some concerns, so was wondering if anyone has used that model? My main concern is the 3 doesn?t have a built in mic, so the student would have to use their phone to record audio. Looking at reviews, the app that goes with the pen is a battery hog, so I?m worried about students having enough phone charge to get through back to back lectures. We could include that access to power as part of their accommodation, but that doesn?t change the fact that the student then has to make sure they have their phone and charger at all times. Thanks for any input! Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist Center for Disability Access and Resources Division of Student Affairs The University of Idaho Phone: 208.885.6307 | ecmatson@uidaho.edu| Bruce M. Pitman Center 127 Fax: 208.885.9404 Campus Zip: 4257 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Doug Hayman w.edu> Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Wed Sep 5 08:16:34 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Wed Sep 5 08:16:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] EPUB Message-ID: Hello all, since I have not found a way to convert an epub to PDF, what is a good Epub reader? This is for a student with a learning disability, not someone who is blind. That being said however I myself would appreciate it if the suggested reader were accessible. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BerkJ at macewan.ca Wed Sep 5 08:21:55 2018 From: BerkJ at macewan.ca (Jane Berk) Date: Wed Sep 5 08:22:29 2018 Subject: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You should check out the Sonocent app for the phone or iPad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvjm4JZBqMQ It?s awesome. I would say most of our students are very happy Sonocent users. The Echo pens have some advantages in some situations, but honestly, they are quite finicky and break so easily. 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We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens Years ago, I bought several Echo pens and many of the shafts (bottom half of the pen) cracked slightly and made the recordings noisy. Livescribe told me it was a defect and they sent me new shafts with instructions on how to replace. They were polite, accommodating and quick to respond. I was very impressed. Now, I recently contacted via their chatline to ask how soon we could expect more pens since everyone needs them at the beginning of the fall semester. I asked what was going on and why they had a shortage. I was treated rather sarcastically and was told I guess it?s because ?everybody needs them at the beginning of the fall semester.? Not a friendly response. However, I have not found anything that will do the job as well as the Echo pen. Students claim that their grades improve significantly after they start using the smartpen. Those that can afford it, buy them. Sonocent seems cumbersome to me with all its colors and the need for a laptop in the class. But I haven?t actually asked students to try it. I know people think it has a coolness factor but does it really help with actual grades? Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens They're an irritating company in general. It's almost as if they're not interested in selling their products. We use a purchasing system here, to which we must add suppliers, and they have not been working with us at all - as if they're ignoring our emails. I imagine that most institutions have such a purchasing system, so it shouldn't be too unusual. I was forced to purchase from other sources like Amazon. If this were for my personal life, I'd boycott them completely. On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:58 AM Doug Hayman > wrote: I was buying the Echo directly from Livescribe.com a few months ago. They have been an irritating company to deal with over the years. A few Echo devices we'd loan out all had the screens fail on them with the company offering what, $67 to trade in for another one. They have had the wireless one come an go in a short span of time and used to have a pro-pack with pen and 4 notebooks but haven't found that one recently. Some of our DO-IT Scholars have been more interested in using Sonocent. On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu) > wrote: Hi all, New to the list, so I apologize if this topic has already been covered. I currently have students waiting for a smart pen as a note taking accommodation. We have been using the Live Scribe Echo, but when I went to buy more yesterday, every place is sold out. The students have already been waiting for two weeks, thanks to an Amazon shipping error that?s looking more and more like will end up being refunded. With all that in mind I started looking into the Live Scribe 3, but have some concerns, so was wondering if anyone has used that model? My main concern is the 3 doesn?t have a built in mic, so the student would have to use their phone to record audio. Looking at reviews, the app that goes with the pen is a battery hog, so I?m worried about students having enough phone charge to get through back to back lectures. We could include that access to power as part of their accommodation, but that doesn?t change the fact that the student then has to make sure they have their phone and charger at all times. Thanks for any input! Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist Center for Disability Access and Resources Division of Student Affairs The University of Idaho Phone: 208.885.6307 | ecmatson@uidaho.edu| Bruce M. Pitman Center 127 Fax: 208.885.9404 Campus Zip: 4257 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Doug Hayman w.edu> Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2651 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It?s a jump? and I think it raises new concerns and considerations? especially with all of the research that indicates typing one?s notes is less effective than taking notes by hand. But our students often require unique and creative solutions ? so I want to explore how you all are synthesizing these needs and specialized considerations. Thanks all, Justin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Services | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 10:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens Years ago, I bought several Echo pens and many of the shafts (bottom half of the pen) cracked slightly and made the recordings noisy. Livescribe told me it was a defect and they sent me new shafts with instructions on how to replace. They were polite, accommodating and quick to respond. I was very impressed. Now, I recently contacted via their chatline to ask how soon we could expect more pens since everyone needs them at the beginning of the fall semester. I asked what was going on and why they had a shortage. I was treated rather sarcastically and was told I guess it?s because ?everybody needs them at the beginning of the fall semester.? Not a friendly response. However, I have not found anything that will do the job as well as the Echo pen. Students claim that their grades improve significantly after they start using the smartpen. Those that can afford it, buy them. Sonocent seems cumbersome to me with all its colors and the need for a laptop in the class. But I haven?t actually asked students to try it. I know people think it has a coolness factor but does it really help with actual grades? Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens They're an irritating company in general. It's almost as if they're not interested in selling their products. We use a purchasing system here, to which we must add suppliers, and they have not been working with us at all - as if they're ignoring our emails. I imagine that most institutions have such a purchasing system, so it shouldn't be too unusual. I was forced to purchase from other sources like Amazon. If this were for my personal life, I'd boycott them completely. On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:58 AM Doug Hayman > wrote: I was buying the Echo directly from Livescribe.com a few months ago. They have been an irritating company to deal with over the years. A few Echo devices we'd loan out all had the screens fail on them with the company offering what, $67 to trade in for another one. They have had the wireless one come an go in a short span of time and used to have a pro-pack with pen and 4 notebooks but haven't found that one recently. Some of our DO-IT Scholars have been more interested in using Sonocent. On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu) > wrote: Hi all, New to the list, so I apologize if this topic has already been covered. I currently have students waiting for a smart pen as a note taking accommodation. We have been using the Live Scribe Echo, but when I went to buy more yesterday, every place is sold out. The students have already been waiting for two weeks, thanks to an Amazon shipping error that?s looking more and more like will end up being refunded. With all that in mind I started looking into the Live Scribe 3, but have some concerns, so was wondering if anyone has used that model? My main concern is the 3 doesn?t have a built in mic, so the student would have to use their phone to record audio. Looking at reviews, the app that goes with the pen is a battery hog, so I?m worried about students having enough phone charge to get through back to back lectures. We could include that access to power as part of their accommodation, but that doesn?t change the fact that the student then has to make sure they have their phone and charger at all times. Thanks for any input! Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist Center for Disability Access and Resources Division of Student Affairs The University of Idaho Phone: 208.885.6307 | ecmatson@uidaho.edu| Bruce M. Pitman Center 127 Fax: 208.885.9404 Campus Zip: 4257 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Doug Hayman w.edu> Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15239 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From NE at msu.edu Wed Sep 5 08:40:28 2018 From: NE at msu.edu (Evans, Nathan) Date: Wed Sep 5 08:41:02 2018 Subject: [Athen] Job Opportunity at Michigan State University Message-ID: <9902D346-7E4B-432B-A7D7-375BA3EA1D83@msu.edu> Michigan State University has an opening for a new, Digital Accessibility Analyst on the Digital Content and Accessibility team in MSU IT. This position is part of MSU?s strategy to build inclusive communities and improve access to digital goods and services. Experience with accessibility auditing and producing reviews against the WCAG standards is a key function of this position, as well as engaging in partnerships with campus buyers, developers, workgroups, committees and cross-functional teams to facilitate and measure digital accessibility improvement. More information is available on Spartan Careers: http://careers.msu.edu/cw/en-us/job/499831/information-technologist-i Feel free to email me directly if you have specific questions (ne@msu.edu). Cheers, Nate Nate Evans Manager, Digital Content & Accessibility MSU Information Technology Michigan State University (517) 884.0682 tech.msu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu Wed Sep 5 08:50:45 2018 From: jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu (Joseph Polizzotto) Date: Wed Sep 5 08:51:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] EPUB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI Robert: We would recommend Dolphin Easy Reader . You can read an accessibility evaluation (with a focus on low vision users) of Dolphin Easy Reader at this site: Dolphin Easy Reader Evaluation . Some of the features that I like are: - Free - active development - access to multiple libraries (e.g., Bookshare, NFB, EPUB Books) - support with VoiceOver - Page number support - Built in Text to Speech, including Pitch, Pause, and Pronunciation settings - MathML support - Multiple Formats: TXT, DOCX, HTML, EPUB, DAISY 2, DAISY 3 HTH, Joseph On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:20 AM Robert Spangler wrote: > Hello all, since I have not found a way to convert an epub to PDF, what is > a good Epub reader? This is for a student with a learning disability, not > someone who is blind. That being said however I myself would appreciate it > if the suggested reader were accessible. > > Thanks, > Robert > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- *Alternate Media Supervisor* Disabled Students' Program University of California, Berkeley https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ (510) 642-0329 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BerkJ at macewan.ca Wed Sep 5 09:17:51 2018 From: BerkJ at macewan.ca (Jane Berk) Date: Wed Sep 5 09:18:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens In-Reply-To: <8bef0422979147bf813600dd57c9ddc0@disability.tamu.edu> References: <8bef0422979147bf813600dd57c9ddc0@disability.tamu.edu> Message-ID: If you looked at the link I sent, you would hear that the Sonocent people suggest the students just focus on listening to the lecture and making highlights to indicate if something is confusing, important, etc. And, if material is written on the board they can just take a photo of it. After the class they can go back and re-listen to the highlights and take their own notes in their own time. They can take their notes any way they want, either by handwriting them, typing them, or dictating them. Many options. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Justin Romack Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:29 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens It?s extremely difficult for me to recommend Sonocent to students who are taking handwritten notes. I feel uncomfortable at the notion of putting a laptop in front of them ? when many report getting distracted or struggling with focus. It seems counterintuitive. That said, Sonocent seems to be evolving their product ? and my goodness, they?re incredibly receptive to feedback. I?ve been resistant to their app for a while? but I?m opening up a bit as I?m seeing the number of defective Livescribe smartpens hitting my desk. Just curious how some of you justify moving a student from a handwritten notetaking solution to typing their notes? It?s a jump? and I think it raises new concerns and considerations? especially with all of the research that indicates typing one?s notes is less effective than taking notes by hand. But our students often require unique and creative solutions ? so I want to explore how you all are synthesizing these needs and specialized considerations. Thanks all, Justin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Services | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 10:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens Years ago, I bought several Echo pens and many of the shafts (bottom half of the pen) cracked slightly and made the recordings noisy. Livescribe told me it was a defect and they sent me new shafts with instructions on how to replace. They were polite, accommodating and quick to respond. I was very impressed. Now, I recently contacted via their chatline to ask how soon we could expect more pens since everyone needs them at the beginning of the fall semester. I asked what was going on and why they had a shortage. I was treated rather sarcastically and was told I guess it?s because ?everybody needs them at the beginning of the fall semester.? Not a friendly response. However, I have not found anything that will do the job as well as the Echo pen. Students claim that their grades improve significantly after they start using the smartpen. Those that can afford it, buy them. Sonocent seems cumbersome to me with all its colors and the need for a laptop in the class. But I haven?t actually asked students to try it. I know people think it has a coolness factor but does it really help with actual grades? Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens They're an irritating company in general. It's almost as if they're not interested in selling their products. We use a purchasing system here, to which we must add suppliers, and they have not been working with us at all - as if they're ignoring our emails. I imagine that most institutions have such a purchasing system, so it shouldn't be too unusual. I was forced to purchase from other sources like Amazon. If this were for my personal life, I'd boycott them completely. On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:58 AM Doug Hayman > wrote: I was buying the Echo directly from Livescribe.com a few months ago. They have been an irritating company to deal with over the years. A few Echo devices we'd loan out all had the screens fail on them with the company offering what, $67 to trade in for another one. They have had the wireless one come an go in a short span of time and used to have a pro-pack with pen and 4 notebooks but haven't found that one recently. Some of our DO-IT Scholars have been more interested in using Sonocent. On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu) > wrote: Hi all, New to the list, so I apologize if this topic has already been covered. I currently have students waiting for a smart pen as a note taking accommodation. We have been using the Live Scribe Echo, but when I went to buy more yesterday, every place is sold out. The students have already been waiting for two weeks, thanks to an Amazon shipping error that?s looking more and more like will end up being refunded. With all that in mind I started looking into the Live Scribe 3, but have some concerns, so was wondering if anyone has used that model? My main concern is the 3 doesn?t have a built in mic, so the student would have to use their phone to record audio. Looking at reviews, the app that goes with the pen is a battery hog, so I?m worried about students having enough phone charge to get through back to back lectures. We could include that access to power as part of their accommodation, but that doesn?t change the fact that the student then has to make sure they have their phone and charger at all times. Thanks for any input! Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist Center for Disability Access and Resources Division of Student Affairs The University of Idaho Phone: 208.885.6307 | ecmatson@uidaho.edu| Bruce M. Pitman Center 127 Fax: 208.885.9404 Campus Zip: 4257 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Doug Hayman w.edu> Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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Best George From: athen-list On Behalf Of Joseph Polizzotto Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:51 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] EPUB HI Robert: We would recommend Dolphin Easy Reader . You can read an accessibility evaluation (with a focus on low vision users) of Dolphin Easy Reader at this site: Dolphin Easy Reader Evaluation . Some of the features that I like are: - Free - active development - access to multiple libraries (e.g., Bookshare, NFB, EPUB Books) - support with VoiceOver - Page number support - Built in Text to Speech, including Pitch, Pause, and Pronunciation settings - MathML support - Multiple Formats: TXT, DOCX, HTML, EPUB, DAISY 2, DAISY 3 HTH, Joseph On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:20 AM Robert Spangler > wrote: Hello all, since I have not found a way to convert an epub to PDF, what is a good Epub reader? This is for a student with a learning disability, not someone who is blind. That being said however I myself would appreciate it if the suggested reader were accessible. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Alternate Media Supervisor Disabled Students' Program University of California, Berkeley https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ (510) 642-0329 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From justinr at disability.tamu.edu Wed Sep 5 10:25:04 2018 From: justinr at disability.tamu.edu (Justin Romack) Date: Wed Sep 5 10:25:37 2018 Subject: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens In-Reply-To: References: <8bef0422979147bf813600dd57c9ddc0@disability.tamu.edu> Message-ID: <9f0fb0f39a054c08a0372b15e0d79d16@disability.tamu.edu> I?ve attended a half dozen webinars, spoken to their elite salespeople and read through copious amounts of documentation? This process for notetaking seems very, very passive ? and seems problematic to me. The chief concern students mention when discussing notetaking almost always revolves around pacing? so I believe Sonocent (and really any other option that includes audio recordings) can help to address this. But ultimately, I feel like the highlighting options add another layer of complication to the mix, to be honest. I still think a digital voice recorder with handwritten notes address most of the concerns I get from students, as it allows them to be an active participant by taking in information, synthesizing it and writing it down during lecture ? and they have the audio as a backup to fill in gaps where they were confused, lost focus or couldn?t keep up with the instructor. If I were a student with Sonocent, I?d have trouble deciding whether I write down my synthesized ideas or spend time color the audio? It seems like your spreading the student rather thin or asking them to be a passive participant in the lecture experience ? and neither option sounds ideal. Thanks, Justin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Services | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Jane Berk Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 11:18 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens If you looked at the link I sent, you would hear that the Sonocent people suggest the students just focus on listening to the lecture and making highlights to indicate if something is confusing, important, etc. And, if material is written on the board they can just take a photo of it. After the class they can go back and re-listen to the highlights and take their own notes in their own time. They can take their notes any way they want, either by handwriting them, typing them, or dictating them. Many options. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Justin Romack Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:29 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens It?s extremely difficult for me to recommend Sonocent to students who are taking handwritten notes. I feel uncomfortable at the notion of putting a laptop in front of them ? when many report getting distracted or struggling with focus. It seems counterintuitive. That said, Sonocent seems to be evolving their product ? and my goodness, they?re incredibly receptive to feedback. I?ve been resistant to their app for a while? but I?m opening up a bit as I?m seeing the number of defective Livescribe smartpens hitting my desk. Just curious how some of you justify moving a student from a handwritten notetaking solution to typing their notes? It?s a jump? and I think it raises new concerns and considerations? especially with all of the research that indicates typing one?s notes is less effective than taking notes by hand. But our students often require unique and creative solutions ? so I want to explore how you all are synthesizing these needs and specialized considerations. Thanks all, Justin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Services | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 10:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens Years ago, I bought several Echo pens and many of the shafts (bottom half of the pen) cracked slightly and made the recordings noisy. Livescribe told me it was a defect and they sent me new shafts with instructions on how to replace. They were polite, accommodating and quick to respond. I was very impressed. Now, I recently contacted via their chatline to ask how soon we could expect more pens since everyone needs them at the beginning of the fall semester. I asked what was going on and why they had a shortage. I was treated rather sarcastically and was told I guess it?s because ?everybody needs them at the beginning of the fall semester.? Not a friendly response. However, I have not found anything that will do the job as well as the Echo pen. Students claim that their grades improve significantly after they start using the smartpen. Those that can afford it, buy them. Sonocent seems cumbersome to me with all its colors and the need for a laptop in the class. But I haven?t actually asked students to try it. I know people think it has a coolness factor but does it really help with actual grades? Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens They're an irritating company in general. It's almost as if they're not interested in selling their products. We use a purchasing system here, to which we must add suppliers, and they have not been working with us at all - as if they're ignoring our emails. I imagine that most institutions have such a purchasing system, so it shouldn't be too unusual. I was forced to purchase from other sources like Amazon. If this were for my personal life, I'd boycott them completely. On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:58 AM Doug Hayman > wrote: I was buying the Echo directly from Livescribe.com a few months ago. They have been an irritating company to deal with over the years. A few Echo devices we'd loan out all had the screens fail on them with the company offering what, $67 to trade in for another one. They have had the wireless one come an go in a short span of time and used to have a pro-pack with pen and 4 notebooks but haven't found that one recently. Some of our DO-IT Scholars have been more interested in using Sonocent. On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu) > wrote: Hi all, New to the list, so I apologize if this topic has already been covered. I currently have students waiting for a smart pen as a note taking accommodation. We have been using the Live Scribe Echo, but when I went to buy more yesterday, every place is sold out. The students have already been waiting for two weeks, thanks to an Amazon shipping error that?s looking more and more like will end up being refunded. With all that in mind I started looking into the Live Scribe 3, but have some concerns, so was wondering if anyone has used that model? My main concern is the 3 doesn?t have a built in mic, so the student would have to use their phone to record audio. Looking at reviews, the app that goes with the pen is a battery hog, so I?m worried about students having enough phone charge to get through back to back lectures. We could include that access to power as part of their accommodation, but that doesn?t change the fact that the student then has to make sure they have their phone and charger at all times. Thanks for any input! Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist Center for Disability Access and Resources Division of Student Affairs The University of Idaho Phone: 208.885.6307 | ecmatson@uidaho.edu| Bruce M. Pitman Center 127 Fax: 208.885.9404 Campus Zip: 4257 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Doug Hayman w.edu> Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15239 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu Wed Sep 5 10:53:05 2018 From: jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu (Joseph Polizzotto) Date: Wed Sep 5 10:53:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] EPUB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Robert: BTW creating a PDF from an EPUB is simple with pandoc. Just type the following into a terminal: pandoc path/to/your_epub.epub -o path/to/your_pdf.pdf Note: pandoc uses your LaTeX engine to create the PDF (e.g., pdfTEX, xelatex, lualatex). This usually means that you will get a PDF with bookmarks (for your headings) but no tags in the tags tree. On my limited testing, however, I have gotten good results from using the "Add tags to document" feature in Acrobat Pro to add tags to a PDF that was generated via pandoc via my LaTex engine (pdfTEX). The heading hierarchy from the original EPUB was recognized by Acrobat Pro. One downside is that the EPUB page-list nav is lost and the LaTeX engine may automatically use its default pagination style that will be at odds with the original EPUB. I have attached an EPUB and a PDF I generated using the above method for you to compare. HTH, Joseph On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:20 AM Robert Spangler wrote: > Hello all, since I have not found a way to convert an epub to PDF, what is > a good Epub reader? This is for a student with a learning disability, not > someone who is blind. 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On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:42 PM George Kerscher wrote: > Hi, > > > > Excellent accessibility testing of EPUB reading Apps can be found at: > > http://epubtest.org/testsuite/accessibility/ > > > > Based on this testing a summary review of recommended Apps can be found on > the InclusivePublishing.org website at: > > > https://inclusivepublishing.org/blog/june-2018-epub-reading-apps-accessibility-support/ > > > > Many of the Reading Apps support side loading, but not all. > > > > Joseph is correct about EasyReader by Dolphin. > > Also, Edge now natively supports reading of EPUB, and they plan to fix > some of the bugs we reported. > > > > Feel free to contact me with any questions, or if anybody needs help > getting started. > > > > > > Best > > George > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Joseph Polizzotto > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:51 AM > *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] EPUB > > > > HI Robert: > > > > We would recommend Dolphin Easy Reader > . You can read an accessibility > evaluation (with a focus on low vision users) of Dolphin Easy Reader at > this site: Dolphin Easy Reader Evaluation > . > > > > Some of the features that I like are: > > > > - Free > > - active development > > - access to multiple libraries (e.g., Bookshare, NFB, EPUB Books) > > - support with VoiceOver > > - Page number support > > - Built in Text to Speech, including Pitch, Pause, and Pronunciation > settings > > - MathML support > > - Multiple Formats: TXT, DOCX, HTML, EPUB, DAISY 2, DAISY 3 > > > > HTH, > > > > Joseph > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:20 AM Robert Spangler > wrote: > > Hello all, since I have not found a way to convert an epub to PDF, what is > a good Epub reader? This is for a student with a learning disability, not > someone who is blind. That being said however I myself would appreciate it > if the suggested reader were accessible. > > > > Thanks, > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > *Alternate Media Supervisor* > > Disabled Students' Program > > University of California, Berkeley > > https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ > > > (510) 642-0329 > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnorwich at bu.edu Wed Sep 5 11:07:30 2018 From: lnorwich at bu.edu (Norwich, Lorraine S) Date: Wed Sep 5 11:08:03 2018 Subject: [Athen] Does anyone have this book Message-ID: Dear All, This is a new book and I have reached out to get a PDF version of the book and Pearson has not said if they can give me one or not. Classes have started and I am concerned Does anyone have a PDF version of this book for me. Chemistry for Today 9th Cengage Learning 9781337598231 Thanks Lorraine Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability Services Boston University 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd Floor Boston, MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability (website) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu Wed Sep 5 11:18:01 2018 From: jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu (Joseph Polizzotto) Date: Wed Sep 5 11:18:52 2018 Subject: [Athen] EPUB In-Reply-To: References: <000001d44536$509cc970$f1d65c50$@montana.com> Message-ID: Robert: Have you tried these keystrokes for MS Edge's EPUB player? - Table of Contents - Alt + T - Notes - Alt + A - Search - Ctrl + F - Text size, font and other - visual settings - Ctrl + Shift + O - Read Aloud - Ctrl + Shift + G - Grammar Tools - Save As - Ctrl + Shift + S - Bookmark - Alt + B - Full Screen - F11 Source: DAISYpedia HTH, Joseph On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 11:07 AM Robert Spangler wrote: > I did see that Edge has the ability, but I was unable to find a way to > make it read out loud. For me I would just use my screen reader, but > someone with a learning disability would use a TTS like what they would use > in ReadWrite Gold, and I did not see anything in Edge like this. Too bad > Chrome can't read them as ReadWrite has an extension to work with that > browser. > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:42 PM George Kerscher > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Excellent accessibility testing of EPUB reading Apps can be found at: >> >> http://epubtest.org/testsuite/accessibility/ >> >> >> >> Based on this testing a summary review of recommended Apps can be found >> on the InclusivePublishing.org website at: >> >> >> https://inclusivepublishing.org/blog/june-2018-epub-reading-apps-accessibility-support/ >> >> >> >> Many of the Reading Apps support side loading, but not all. >> >> >> >> Joseph is correct about EasyReader by Dolphin. >> >> Also, Edge now natively supports reading of EPUB, and they plan to fix >> some of the bugs we reported. >> >> >> >> Feel free to contact me with any questions, or if anybody needs help >> getting started. >> >> >> >> >> >> Best >> >> George >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list *On >> Behalf Of *Joseph Polizzotto >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:51 AM >> *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu >> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] EPUB >> >> >> >> HI Robert: >> >> >> >> We would recommend Dolphin Easy Reader >> . You can read an accessibility >> evaluation (with a focus on low vision users) of Dolphin Easy Reader at >> this site: Dolphin Easy Reader Evaluation >> . >> >> >> >> Some of the features that I like are: >> >> >> >> - Free >> >> - active development >> >> - access to multiple libraries (e.g., Bookshare, NFB, EPUB Books) >> >> - support with VoiceOver >> >> - Page number support >> >> - Built in Text to Speech, including Pitch, Pause, and Pronunciation >> settings >> >> - MathML support >> >> - Multiple Formats: TXT, DOCX, HTML, EPUB, DAISY 2, DAISY 3 >> >> >> >> HTH, >> >> >> >> Joseph >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:20 AM Robert Spangler >> wrote: >> >> Hello all, since I have not found a way to convert an epub to PDF, what >> is a good Epub reader? This is for a student with a learning disability, >> not someone who is blind. That being said however I myself would >> appreciate it if the suggested reader were accessible. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Robert Spangler >> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >> rspangler1@udayton.edu >> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >> Phone: 937-229-2066 >> >> Fax: 937-229-3270 >> >> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >> hearing) >> >> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> *Alternate Media Supervisor* >> >> Disabled Students' Program >> >> University of California, Berkeley >> >> https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ >> >> >> (510) 642-0329 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- *Alternate Media Supervisor* Disabled Students' Program University of California, Berkeley https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ (510) 642-0329 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deb.castiglione at cengage.com Wed Sep 5 11:19:18 2018 From: deb.castiglione at cengage.com (Castiglione, Deb A) Date: Wed Sep 5 11:20:03 2018 Subject: [Athen] Does anyone have this book Message-ID: Lorraine: It looks like it is a Cengage text. Please email us and we will get you what you need. If you have any difficulties, you can contact me directly. That also appears to be the ISBN for a bundle. Would you happen to have the ISBN for the text alone? If not, we can find it. Thanks. Deb What is ?essential for some? is almost always ?good for all? (Meyer, Rose, and Gordon, 2014). Deb Castiglione, EdD, ATP Director, Universal Design & Accessible Technologies Learning Center of Excellence Cengage 5191 Natorp Boulevard, Mason, OH 45040 513-229-1654 / 513-309-6262 deb.castiglione@cengage.com From: athen-list on behalf of "Norwich, Lorraine S" Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Date: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 2:12 PM To: "'athen-list@u.washington.edu'" Subject: [Athen] Does anyone have this book Dear All, This is a new book and I have reached out to get a PDF version of the book and Pearson has not said if they can give me one or not. Classes have started and I am concerned Does anyone have a PDF version of this book for me. Chemistry for Today 9th Cengage Learning 9781337598231 Thanks Lorraine Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability Services Boston University 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd Floor Boston, MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability (website) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.noble at louisville.edu Wed Sep 5 11:44:24 2018 From: steve.noble at louisville.edu (Noble,Stephen L.) Date: Wed Sep 5 11:44:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] EPUB In-Reply-To: References: <000001d44536$509cc970$f1d65c50$@montana.com>, Message-ID: Concerning the point about Chrome and Read&Write...yes, someone with a learning disability can read an EPUB with the Chrome R&W extension. The only proviso is that you have to first upload the EPUB to your Google Drive. Here's the test result: http://epubtest.org/evaluation/440/ Hope that helps, --Steve Noble ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 2:00 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] EPUB I did see that Edge has the ability, but I was unable to find a way to make it read out loud. For me I would just use my screen reader, but someone with a learning disability would use a TTS like what they would use in ReadWrite Gold, and I did not see anything in Edge like this. Too bad Chrome can't read them as ReadWrite has an extension to work with that browser. On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:42 PM George Kerscher > wrote: Hi, Excellent accessibility testing of EPUB reading Apps can be found at: http://epubtest.org/testsuite/accessibility/ Based on this testing a summary review of recommended Apps can be found on the InclusivePublishing.org website at: https://inclusivepublishing.org/blog/june-2018-epub-reading-apps-accessibility-support/ Many of the Reading Apps support side loading, but not all. Joseph is correct about EasyReader by Dolphin. Also, Edge now natively supports reading of EPUB, and they plan to fix some of the bugs we reported. Feel free to contact me with any questions, or if anybody needs help getting started. Best George From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Joseph Polizzotto Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:51 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] EPUB HI Robert: We would recommend Dolphin Easy Reader. You can read an accessibility evaluation (with a focus on low vision users) of Dolphin Easy Reader at this site: Dolphin Easy Reader Evaluation. Some of the features that I like are: - Free - active development - access to multiple libraries (e.g., Bookshare, NFB, EPUB Books) - support with VoiceOver - Page number support - Built in Text to Speech, including Pitch, Pause, and Pronunciation settings - MathML support - Multiple Formats: TXT, DOCX, HTML, EPUB, DAISY 2, DAISY 3 HTH, Joseph On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:20 AM Robert Spangler > wrote: Hello all, since I have not found a way to convert an epub to PDF, what is a good Epub reader? This is for a student with a learning disability, not someone who is blind. That being said however I myself would appreciate it if the suggested reader were accessible. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Alternate Media Supervisor Disabled Students' Program University of California, Berkeley https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ (510) 642-0329 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kerscher at montana.com Wed Sep 5 11:49:33 2018 From: kerscher at montana.com (George Kerscher) Date: Wed Sep 5 11:50:20 2018 Subject: [Athen] EPUB In-Reply-To: References: <000001d44536$509cc970$f1d65c50$@montana.com> Message-ID: <009001d44549$33dd7e70$9b987b50$@montana.com> Hi, Ctrl+shift+G starts the read aloud function. You can also adjust the voice settings. Oh, and one can adjust the spacing, font, and foreground and background colors, very important for students with specific learning differences. That is ctrl+shift+o Hope this helps. Best George From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 12:00 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] EPUB I did see that Edge has the ability, but I was unable to find a way to make it read out loud. For me I would just use my screen reader, but someone with a learning disability would use a TTS like what they would use in ReadWrite Gold, and I did not see anything in Edge like this. Too bad Chrome can't read them as ReadWrite has an extension to work with that browser. On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:42 PM George Kerscher > wrote: Hi, Excellent accessibility testing of EPUB reading Apps can be found at: http://epubtest.org/testsuite/accessibility/ Based on this testing a summary review of recommended Apps can be found on the InclusivePublishing.org website at: https://inclusivepublishing.org/blog/june-2018-epub-reading-apps-accessibility-support/ Many of the Reading Apps support side loading, but not all. Joseph is correct about EasyReader by Dolphin. Also, Edge now natively supports reading of EPUB, and they plan to fix some of the bugs we reported. Feel free to contact me with any questions, or if anybody needs help getting started. Best George From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Joseph Polizzotto Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:51 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] EPUB HI Robert: We would recommend Dolphin Easy Reader . You can read an accessibility evaluation (with a focus on low vision users) of Dolphin Easy Reader at this site: Dolphin Easy Reader Evaluation . Some of the features that I like are: - Free - active development - access to multiple libraries (e.g., Bookshare, NFB, EPUB Books) - support with VoiceOver - Page number support - Built in Text to Speech, including Pitch, Pause, and Pronunciation settings - MathML support - Multiple Formats: TXT, DOCX, HTML, EPUB, DAISY 2, DAISY 3 HTH, Joseph On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:20 AM Robert Spangler > wrote: Hello all, since I have not found a way to convert an epub to PDF, what is a good Epub reader? This is for a student with a learning disability, not someone who is blind. That being said however I myself would appreciate it if the suggested reader were accessible. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Alternate Media Supervisor Disabled Students' Program University of California, Berkeley https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ (510) 642-0329 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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We rely largely on Livescribe pens, mostly because I'm also not comfortable nudging students away from handwriting notes if they are accustomed to it. But if a student types notes or says they want to try, I've started to point them in this direction. It's too soon to report on their usage, though. Jeremy Zhe-Heimerman Assistant Director, Disability Resources Office SUNY Cortland Memorial Library, B-204 PO Box 2000 81 Prospect Terrace Cortland, NY 13045 Office: 607-753-2358 jeremy.zhe-heimerman@cortland.edu www2.cortland.edu/offices/disability-resources Follow Us: Facebook | Twitter | Instagram Please note that email is not a confidential method of communication. Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Wed Sep 5 12:34:49 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Wed Sep 5 12:35:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think it depends on the student. I wouldn't say that Sonocent helps with grades; rather that it could help with some students' grades. I have had some students act super excited about it when I demonstrate it and others just act bored. this is why we have Sonocent, Smart Pens and audio recorders - options, since everyone is different. On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 11:13 AM Leyna Bencomo wrote: > Years ago, I bought several Echo pens and many of the shafts (bottom half > of the pen) cracked slightly and made the recordings noisy. Livescribe > told me it was a defect and they sent me new shafts with instructions on > how to replace. They were polite, accommodating and quick to respond. I > was very impressed. > > > > Now, I recently contacted via their chatline to ask how soon we could > expect more pens since everyone needs them at the beginning of the fall > semester. I asked what was going on and why they had a shortage. I was > treated rather sarcastically and was told I guess it?s because ?everybody > needs them at the beginning of the fall semester.? > > > > Not a friendly response. However, I have not found anything that will do > the job as well as the Echo pen. Students claim that their grades improve > significantly after they start using the smartpen. Those that can afford > it, buy them. > > > > Sonocent seems cumbersome to me with all its colors and the need for a > laptop in the class. But I haven?t actually asked students to try it. I > know people think it has a coolness factor but does it really help with > actual grades? > > > > Leyna Bencomo > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Office of Information Technology > > *University of Colorado Colorado Springs* > > 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 > > Colorado Springs, CO 80918 > > (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu > > http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ > > [image: sig logo small] > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:37 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens > > > > They're an irritating company in general. It's almost as if they're not > interested in selling their products. We use a purchasing system here, to > which we must add suppliers, and they have not been working with us at all > - as if they're ignoring our emails. I imagine that most institutions have > such a purchasing system, so it shouldn't be too unusual. I was forced to > purchase from other sources like Amazon. If this were for my personal > life, I'd boycott them completely. > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:58 AM Doug Hayman wrote: > > I was buying the Echo directly from Livescribe.com a few months ago. > > > > They have been an irritating company to deal with over the years. A few > Echo devices we'd loan out all had the screens fail on them with the > company offering what, $67 to trade in for another one. > > > > They have had the wireless one come an go in a short span of time and used > to have a pro-pack with pen and 4 notebooks but haven't found that one > recently. > > > > Some of our DO-IT Scholars have been more interested in using Sonocent. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu) < > ecmatson@uidaho.edu> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > New to the list, so I apologize if this topic has already been covered. I > currently have students waiting for a smart pen as a note taking > accommodation. We have been using the Live Scribe Echo, but when I went to > buy more yesterday, every place is sold out. The students have already been > waiting for two weeks, thanks to an Amazon shipping error that?s looking > more and more like will end up being refunded. With all that in mind I > started looking into the Live Scribe 3, but have some concerns, so was > wondering if anyone has used that model? > > > > My main concern is the 3 doesn?t have a built in mic, so the student would > have to use their phone to record audio. Looking at reviews, the app that > goes with the pen is a battery hog, so I?m worried about students having > enough phone charge to get through back to back lectures. We could include > that access to power as part of their accommodation, but that doesn?t > change the fact that the student then has to make sure they have their > phone and charger at all times. > > > > Thanks for any input! > > > > > > *Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist* > > Center for Disability Access and Resources > > Division of Student Affairs > > The University of Idaho > > Phone: 208.885.6307 | ecmatson@uidaho.edu| Bruce M. Pitman Center 127 > > Fax: 208.885.9404 > > Campus Zip: 4257 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > > -- > > Doug Hayman w.edu > > > > Senior Computer Specialist > DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) > UW Technology Services > Box 354842 > Seattle, WA 98195 > (206) 221-4165 > http://www.washington.edu/doit > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I feel uncomfortable at the notion of putting a > laptop in front of them ? when many report getting distracted or struggling > with focus. It seems counterintuitive. That said, Sonocent seems to be > evolving their product ? and my goodness, they?re incredibly receptive to > feedback. I?ve been resistant to their app for a while? but I?m opening up > a bit as I?m seeing the number of defective Livescribe smartpens hitting my > desk. > > > > Just curious how some of you justify moving a student from a handwritten > notetaking solution to typing their notes? It?s a jump? and I think it > raises new concerns and considerations? especially with all of the research > that indicates typing one?s notes is less effective than taking notes by > hand. But our students often require unique and creative solutions ? so I > want to explore how you all are synthesizing these needs and specialized > considerations. > > > > Thanks all, > > Justin > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > *Justin Romack* | Assistive Technology Coordinator > > Disability Services | Texas A&M University > > 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 > > > > ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > *DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS *| One Division. One Mission. > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Leyna Bencomo > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 5, 2018 10:06 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens > > > > Years ago, I bought several Echo pens and many of the shafts (bottom half > of the pen) cracked slightly and made the recordings noisy. Livescribe > told me it was a defect and they sent me new shafts with instructions on > how to replace. They were polite, accommodating and quick to respond. I > was very impressed. > > > > Now, I recently contacted via their chatline to ask how soon we could > expect more pens since everyone needs them at the beginning of the fall > semester. I asked what was going on and why they had a shortage. I was > treated rather sarcastically and was told I guess it?s because ?everybody > needs them at the beginning of the fall semester.? > > > > Not a friendly response. However, I have not found anything that will do > the job as well as the Echo pen. Students claim that their grades improve > significantly after they start using the smartpen. Those that can afford > it, buy them. > > > > Sonocent seems cumbersome to me with all its colors and the need for a > laptop in the class. But I haven?t actually asked students to try it. I > know people think it has a coolness factor but does it really help with > actual grades? > > > > Leyna Bencomo > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Office of Information Technology > > *University of Colorado Colorado Springs* > > 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 > > Colorado Springs, CO 80918 > > (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu > > http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ > > > [image: sig logo small] > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:37 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens > > > > They're an irritating company in general. It's almost as if they're not > interested in selling their products. We use a purchasing system here, to > which we must add suppliers, and they have not been working with us at all > - as if they're ignoring our emails. I imagine that most institutions have > such a purchasing system, so it shouldn't be too unusual. I was forced to > purchase from other sources like Amazon. If this were for my personal > life, I'd boycott them completely. > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:58 AM Doug Hayman wrote: > > I was buying the Echo directly from Livescribe.com a few months ago. > > > > They have been an irritating company to deal with over the years. A few > Echo devices we'd loan out all had the screens fail on them with the > company offering what, $67 to trade in for another one. > > > > They have had the wireless one come an go in a short span of time and used > to have a pro-pack with pen and 4 notebooks but haven't found that one > recently. > > > > Some of our DO-IT Scholars have been more interested in using Sonocent. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu) < > ecmatson@uidaho.edu> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > New to the list, so I apologize if this topic has already been covered. I > currently have students waiting for a smart pen as a note taking > accommodation. We have been using the Live Scribe Echo, but when I went to > buy more yesterday, every place is sold out. The students have already been > waiting for two weeks, thanks to an Amazon shipping error that?s looking > more and more like will end up being refunded. With all that in mind I > started looking into the Live Scribe 3, but have some concerns, so was > wondering if anyone has used that model? > > > > My main concern is the 3 doesn?t have a built in mic, so the student would > have to use their phone to record audio. Looking at reviews, the app that > goes with the pen is a battery hog, so I?m worried about students having > enough phone charge to get through back to back lectures. We could include > that access to power as part of their accommodation, but that doesn?t > change the fact that the student then has to make sure they have their > phone and charger at all times. > > > > Thanks for any input! > > > > > > *Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist* > > Center for Disability Access and Resources > > Division of Student Affairs > > The University of Idaho > > Phone: 208.885.6307 | ecmatson@uidaho.edu| Bruce M. Pitman Center 127 > > Fax: 208.885.9404 > > Campus Zip: 4257 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > > -- > > Doug Hayman w.edu > > > > Senior Computer Specialist > DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) > UW Technology Services > Box 354842 > Seattle, WA 98195 > (206) 221-4165 > http://www.washington.edu/doit > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You can read an accessibility > evaluation (with a focus on low vision users) of Dolphin Easy Reader at > this site: Dolphin Easy Reader Evaluation > . > > Some of the features that I like are: > > - Free > - active development > - access to multiple libraries (e.g., Bookshare, NFB, EPUB Books) > - support with VoiceOver > - Page number support > - Built in Text to Speech, including Pitch, Pause, and Pronunciation > settings > - MathML support > - Multiple Formats: TXT, DOCX, HTML, EPUB, DAISY 2, DAISY 3 > > HTH, > > Joseph > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:20 AM Robert Spangler > wrote: > >> Hello all, since I have not found a way to convert an epub to PDF, what >> is a good Epub reader? This is for a student with a learning disability, >> not someone who is blind. That being said however I myself would >> appreciate it if the suggested reader were accessible. >> >> Thanks, >> Robert >> >> >> -- >> Robert Spangler >> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >> rspangler1@udayton.edu >> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >> Phone: 937-229-2066 >> Fax: 937-229-3270 >> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >> hearing) >> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > > -- > *Alternate Media Supervisor* > Disabled Students' Program > University of California, Berkeley > https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ > > (510) 642-0329 > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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Our school is in Pennsylvania, and we have PIAT, short for Pennsylvania's Initiative on Assistive Technology ( https://www.temple.edu/instituteondisabilities/programs/assistive/piat/), which helps support Pennsylvanians in learning how to use assistive tech Wondering if anyone might know of an organization in South Carolina which offers similar support. -- Corrine Schoeb Technology Accessibility Coordinator, ITS 610-957-6208 *** Swarthmore College ITS will never ask you for your password, including by email. Please keep your passwords private to protect yourself and the security of our network. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BerkJ at macewan.ca Wed Sep 5 13:03:53 2018 From: BerkJ at macewan.ca (Jane Berk) Date: Wed Sep 5 13:04:04 2018 Subject: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens In-Reply-To: References: <8bef0422979147bf813600dd57c9ddc0@disability.tamu.edu> Message-ID: We review their psychology assessments, then we complete my own assessment of the individual student. Afterwards, we do a personal demonstration of the options and, depending on the best fit and preference for the student and the student?s comfort level with technology, we will recommend either Audio Notetaker, a Livescribe, a digital recorder, or an app. In some cases they are able to try out the various options with loaners before we take the next step. Every student learns in a different way and has individual needs and abilities. There is no one perfect one-size-fits-all recording system, in my opinion. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 1:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens I ask my students if they prefer to type or write their notes by hand and proceed accordingly. On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 11:34 AM Justin Romack > wrote: It?s extremely difficult for me to recommend Sonocent to students who are taking handwritten notes. I feel uncomfortable at the notion of putting a laptop in front of them ? when many report getting distracted or struggling with focus. It seems counterintuitive. That said, Sonocent seems to be evolving their product ? and my goodness, they?re incredibly receptive to feedback. I?ve been resistant to their app for a while? but I?m opening up a bit as I?m seeing the number of defective Livescribe smartpens hitting my desk. Just curious how some of you justify moving a student from a handwritten notetaking solution to typing their notes? It?s a jump? and I think it raises new concerns and considerations? especially with all of the research that indicates typing one?s notes is less effective than taking notes by hand. But our students often require unique and creative solutions ? so I want to explore how you all are synthesizing these needs and specialized considerations. Thanks all, Justin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Services | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 10:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens Years ago, I bought several Echo pens and many of the shafts (bottom half of the pen) cracked slightly and made the recordings noisy. Livescribe told me it was a defect and they sent me new shafts with instructions on how to replace. They were polite, accommodating and quick to respond. I was very impressed. Now, I recently contacted via their chatline to ask how soon we could expect more pens since everyone needs them at the beginning of the fall semester. I asked what was going on and why they had a shortage. I was treated rather sarcastically and was told I guess it?s because ?everybody needs them at the beginning of the fall semester.? Not a friendly response. However, I have not found anything that will do the job as well as the Echo pen. Students claim that their grades improve significantly after they start using the smartpen. Those that can afford it, buy them. Sonocent seems cumbersome to me with all its colors and the need for a laptop in the class. But I haven?t actually asked students to try it. I know people think it has a coolness factor but does it really help with actual grades? Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens They're an irritating company in general. It's almost as if they're not interested in selling their products. We use a purchasing system here, to which we must add suppliers, and they have not been working with us at all - as if they're ignoring our emails. I imagine that most institutions have such a purchasing system, so it shouldn't be too unusual. I was forced to purchase from other sources like Amazon. If this were for my personal life, I'd boycott them completely. On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:58 AM Doug Hayman > wrote: I was buying the Echo directly from Livescribe.com a few months ago. They have been an irritating company to deal with over the years. A few Echo devices we'd loan out all had the screens fail on them with the company offering what, $67 to trade in for another one. They have had the wireless one come an go in a short span of time and used to have a pro-pack with pen and 4 notebooks but haven't found that one recently. Some of our DO-IT Scholars have been more interested in using Sonocent. On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu) > wrote: Hi all, New to the list, so I apologize if this topic has already been covered. I currently have students waiting for a smart pen as a note taking accommodation. We have been using the Live Scribe Echo, but when I went to buy more yesterday, every place is sold out. The students have already been waiting for two weeks, thanks to an Amazon shipping error that?s looking more and more like will end up being refunded. With all that in mind I started looking into the Live Scribe 3, but have some concerns, so was wondering if anyone has used that model? My main concern is the 3 doesn?t have a built in mic, so the student would have to use their phone to record audio. Looking at reviews, the app that goes with the pen is a battery hog, so I?m worried about students having enough phone charge to get through back to back lectures. We could include that access to power as part of their accommodation, but that doesn?t change the fact that the student then has to make sure they have their phone and charger at all times. Thanks for any input! Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist Center for Disability Access and Resources Division of Student Affairs The University of Idaho Phone: 208.885.6307 | ecmatson@uidaho.edu| Bruce M. 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Our school is in > Pennsylvania, and we have PIAT, short for Pennsylvania's Initiative on > Assistive Technology ( > https://www.temple.edu/instituteondisabilities/programs/assistive/piat/), > which helps support Pennsylvanians in learning how to use assistive tech > > Wondering if anyone might know of an organization in South Carolina which > offers similar support. > > -- > > Corrine Schoeb > Technology Accessibility Coordinator, ITS > 610-957-6208 > > *** Swarthmore College ITS will never ask you for your password, including > by email. Please keep your passwords private to protect yourself and the > security of our network. > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Krista Greear Accessibility and Inclusivity Crusader -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Wed Sep 5 13:08:24 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Wed Sep 5 13:09:10 2018 Subject: [Athen] EPUB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Awesome thank you! I have a Debian box at home, so hopefully this works. I've grabbed all the necessary packages. Thanks again for this suggestion. On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 1:58 PM Joseph Polizzotto wrote: > Hi Robert: > > BTW creating a PDF from an EPUB is simple with pandoc. Just type the > following into a terminal: > > pandoc path/to/your_epub.epub -o path/to/your_pdf.pdf > > Note: pandoc uses your LaTeX engine to create the PDF (e.g., pdfTEX, > xelatex, lualatex). This usually means that you will get a PDF with > bookmarks (for your headings) but no tags in the tags tree. On my limited > testing, however, I have gotten good results from using the "Add tags to > document" feature in Acrobat Pro to add tags to a PDF that was generated > via pandoc via my LaTex engine (pdfTEX). The heading hierarchy from the > original EPUB was recognized by Acrobat Pro. One downside is that the EPUB > page-list nav is lost and the LaTeX engine may automatically use its > default pagination style that will be at odds with the original EPUB. > > I have attached an EPUB and a PDF I generated using the above method for > you to compare. > > HTH, > > Joseph > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:20 AM Robert Spangler > wrote: > >> Hello all, since I have not found a way to convert an epub to PDF, what >> is a good Epub reader? This is for a student with a learning disability, >> not someone who is blind. That being said however I myself would >> appreciate it if the suggested reader were accessible. >> >> Thanks, >> Robert >> >> >> -- >> Robert Spangler >> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >> rspangler1@udayton.edu >> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >> Phone: 937-229-2066 >> Fax: 937-229-3270 >> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >> hearing) >> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > > -- > *Alternate Media Supervisor* > Disabled Students' Program > University of California, Berkeley > https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ > > (510) 642-0329 > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu Wed Sep 5 13:11:25 2018 From: jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu (Joseph Polizzotto) Date: Wed Sep 5 13:12:20 2018 Subject: [Athen] EPUB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Robert: If you are referring to Dolphin Easy Reader, no, Google Drive is not integrated into the app, which would be a good feature request. That said, however, you can always follow this procedure below to open the EPUB in the app: 1. Open Google Drive app 2. Navigate to the EPUB and double tap / select 4. Navigate to the "More Options" menu and double tap / select 5. Navigate to the "Open In" option and double tap / select 6. Navigate to "Copy to Easy Reader" option and double tap / select 7. The EPUB should now be in the "My Books" area of the Easy Reader app Note: This is the method we have used with iOS devices. HTH, Joseph On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:43 PM Robert Spangler wrote: > Hello, does this app provide the option of downloading epub books from > Google Drive? I already have the book for the student. > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 11:57 AM Joseph Polizzotto < > jpolizzotto@berkeley.edu> wrote: > >> HI Robert: >> >> We would recommend Dolphin Easy Reader >> . You can read an accessibility >> evaluation (with a focus on low vision users) of Dolphin Easy Reader at >> this site: Dolphin Easy Reader Evaluation >> . >> >> Some of the features that I like are: >> >> - Free >> - active development >> - access to multiple libraries (e.g., Bookshare, NFB, EPUB Books) >> - support with VoiceOver >> - Page number support >> - Built in Text to Speech, including Pitch, Pause, and Pronunciation >> settings >> - MathML support >> - Multiple Formats: TXT, DOCX, HTML, EPUB, DAISY 2, DAISY 3 >> >> HTH, >> >> Joseph >> >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:20 AM Robert Spangler >> wrote: >> >>> Hello all, since I have not found a way to convert an epub to PDF, what >>> is a good Epub reader? This is for a student with a learning disability, >>> not someone who is blind. That being said however I myself would >>> appreciate it if the suggested reader were accessible. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Robert >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Robert Spangler >>> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >>> rspangler1@udayton.edu >>> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >>> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >>> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >>> Phone: 937-229-2066 >>> Fax: 937-229-3270 >>> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >>> hearing) >>> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Alternate Media Supervisor* >> Disabled Students' Program >> University of California, Berkeley >> https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ >> >> (510) 642-0329 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- *Alternate Media Supervisor* Disabled Students' Program University of California, Berkeley https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ (510) 642-0329 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Reporting to the Associate Chancellor in the Office for Access and Equity, the Director of the Disability Resource Center must be an individual that is invested in social justice, equity, and inclusiveness. The desired candidate will administer, develop, coordinate and evaluate the academic accommodations and support services for students with disabilities within the framework of federal and state regulations and university policies and procedures under Section 504 and the Illinois Information Technology Accessibility act, and the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, as amended. This individual will also actively engage in planning strategic initiatives, assessing services, and representing the Disability Resource Center within the campus community, including the Disability Cultural Center and department of Disability and Human Development. At minimum, the qualified candidate must hold a Master's Degree in Disability Studies, Rehabilitation, Counseling, Special Education or related field and possess a minimum of four years' of experience working directly with adults with disabilities and three years' management experience required; experience in a college/university setting is preferred. The candidate must have knowledge of federal and state laws related to providing disability accommodations in a university or college setting and in compliance with ADA and Section 504 Rehabilitation Act of 1973; the Illinois Information Technology Accessibility Act, as well as related laws and policies; assistive and accessible information technologies including digital and web content; medical and health science education, including clinical and lab settings. Prior knowledge of learning support systems and curricular modifications for university students with disabilities is desired. 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Our school is in > Pennsylvania, and we have PIAT, short for Pennsylvania's Initiative on > Assistive Technology (https://www.temple.edu/instituteondisabilities/ > programs/assistive/piat/), which helps support Pennsylvanians in learning > how to use assistive tech > > Wondering if anyone might know of an organization in South Carolina which > offers similar support. > > -- > > Corrine Schoeb > Technology Accessibility Coordinator, ITS > 610-957-6208 > > *** Swarthmore College ITS will never ask you for your password, including > by email. Please keep your passwords private to protect yourself and the > security of our network. > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Most of the Web accessibility issues relate to that interface, and only a few accessibility features are relevant to the actual course content. This makes creating accessible content much simpler. The revisions focus on a limited set of accessibility issues and also stresses how to achieve accessibility using familiar software that designers are already using. Course Lessons Lesson 1 Introduction to Online Learning and to Learning Management Systems Lesson 2: Creating Accessible Content with MS office (word, PowerPoint and Excel) Lesson 3: Creating Accessible Content for STEM and for Multimedia Lesson 4: Supporting and Managing Online Accessibility -- "Serve some cause more important than yourself" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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RMIT University respectfully acknowledges Elders both past and present.* ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 at 05:04 Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 152, Issue 4 To: Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman12.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman12.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Alternate format textbook sources (Tristen Breitenfeldt (Wipro Ltd.)) 2. Re: Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader (Robert Spangler) 3. Re: Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader (Karlen Communications) 4. Re: Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader (Robert Spangler) 5. Re: Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader (Andrea L. Dietrich) 6. Re: Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader (Robert Spangler) 7. Re: Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader (Andrea L. Dietrich) 8. Re: Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader (Robert Spangler) 9. Re: Alternate format textbook sources (Joseph Polizzotto) 10. Re: Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader (Andrea L. Dietrich) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 12:41:55 -0700 From: "Tristen Breitenfeldt \(Wipro Ltd.\)" To: Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate format textbook sources Message-ID: <003001d443be$2c1974a0$844c5de0$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, While I was a student, I checked a couple different sources for accessible textbook formats before approaching the DRC at my college. I checked the following places: iBooks (from Apple) Kindle (from Amazon) BARD (from the National Library Service for the Blind) Audible.com BookShare These are all accessible sources for books. Sometimes my books were available and sometimes not. Sometimes I could get the right book in the wrong edition, which meant getting approval from my instructor. Yes, these are sources that Alternative Formats offices can also investigate, but I am a strong believer in encouraging students to exhaust the available options, doing some "leg work" on their own first. It is a little extra work for students to investigate these avenues on their own, but believe it or not having the ability to find my own accessible materials was extremely empowering and provided me with skills that have helped me in my career. I'm pretty sure that most students would feel similarly after finding their own books. I'm not saying that the Alt Formats office was unnecessary; quite the opposite in fact, because I frequently relied on them as my backup plan if I couldn't find the books I needed in an accessible format, or if I needed certain parts of a book in another format such as braille or tactile graphics. I also depended on the nudging and encouragement from my DRC counselor encouraging me to explore these other options, even when it was easier for me to get all my books from the Alt Formats office. Have a great day! Tristen Breitenfeldt Accessibility Tester/Trainer Wipro/Microsoft -----Original Message----- From: athen-list On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman12.u.washington.edu Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 12:00 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 152, Issue 3 Message: 1 Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 12:43:05 -0700 From: Shelley Haven To: ATHEN Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate format textbook sources Message-ID: <6B753ABB-AD87-4082-B3A6-C423FFF69A7C@techpotential.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Check CAST?s webpage on ?Digital Content & Media Sources? (part of their extensive AEM section) for other sources you might want to add to your list: http://aem.cast.org/navigating/digital-content-media-sources.html#.W4w63y2UV 0o V0o> Best, Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant www.TechPotential.net On Aug 30, 2018, at 10:41 AM, Hegney, Shaun wrote: Hello all, I am doing a little research as I am trying to find more sources for alternate format textbooks as it seems like our college is using less common or harder to get books. Especially as we add increasingly niche courses. I have been sourcing most of my books from Access Text, Book Share and publishers directly. I have also used the Louis Database (I have found a few braille books this way). If you have any other, sources please share your experience. In addition, I am interested in hearing if anyone has found a membership to the access text exchange worthwhile. Thanks, Shaun Hegney Program Specialist 2 Disability Support Services Spokane Falls Community College (509)-533-3544 Shaun.Hegney@sfcc.spokane.edu ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 10:09:48 -0400 From: Robert Spangler To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Yeah, that stinks. Are the tags in the PDF the same thing is what Adobe calls Bookmarks? On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of > HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading > from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the > Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF > documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it > is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or > comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note > or comment and the ?text on the page.? > > > > While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the > content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged > correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are > working from. > > > > You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Hello: > > > > I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader > user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most > accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found > a way to edit PDFs directly. > > > > Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, > I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the > text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if > there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to > determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. > > > > Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the > administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer > classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task > ultimately falls to me! > > > > I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working > with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems > with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not > always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my > students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient > for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. > > > > Looking forward to responses. > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20180904/929cbf8a/attachment-0001.html > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 10:28:26 -0400 From: "Karlen Communications" To: "'Access Technology Higher Education Network'" Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Message-ID: <001101d4445b$8bba1d90$a32e58b0$@karlencommunications.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" No, Bookmarks are typically a list of the Headings in a document. If you are using Word, you can turn on the Navigation Pane (Alt + W, K in Word 2013/2016) and get a list of Headings in the document. This is similar to what you get when you convert a Word document or other formats to tagged PDF and have the ?create Bookmarks from Headings? setting turned on. It is also similar to getting a list of Headings with your adaptive technology. Apologies, I forget the keyboard command in versions of Word prior to 2013. Then it was under View, Document Map. Tags are similar to the HTML Tags where every paragraph has a

Tag, a Heading 1 has an

Tag with other Headings having corresponding numbers. Lists have a parent Tag with an Tag for a bullet or number and an Tag for the content of the bullet or number. Tables have a parent Tag and every row has a Tag with the cells having either
Tags for table Header cells or Tags for table Data cells. When adaptive technology gets a list of Headings, it should be drawing on the information in the Tags to get that list. The Bookmarks are another way to navigate the content if the document doesn?t have a Table of Contents or if you don?t want to return to a Table of Contents to move to another topic?you can open the Bookmarks Panel in the Adobe Reader or Acrobat Navigation Pane and see the ?list of Headings.? Of course you can make anything a Bookmark in a PDF document, but generally we use Headings to provide consistent navigational tools. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:10 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Yeah, that stinks. Are the tags in the PDF the same thing is what Adobe calls Bookmarks? On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com > wrote: Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note or comment and the ?text on the page.? While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are working from. You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Hello: I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found a way to edit PDFs directly. Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task ultimately falls to me! I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. Looking forward to responses. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20180904/ecb219b4/attachment-0001.html > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 10:53:57 -0400 From: Robert Spangler To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thanks so much for this detailed explanation. I have HTML experience, so this makes a lot of sense. Often times I do not have a student worker available to help me (summer breaks and such) so I have to break books into chapters upon receipt from the publisher. I find it very useful if there are bookmarks, because I can extract those by going to this treeview in Adobe, invoking the context menu on each one and choosing print section. I then print it to the Microsoft Print to PDF. Many books do not offer this luxury, however, and it's much harder to find the page numbers to know what ranges to extract for each chapter. Is this another task that is simply going to be tougher for those of us who use screen readers? The way Adobe lags with screen readers, jumps around at times in the buffer, just makes me want to bang my head against the wall every time I have to deal with it. I use a program called QRead for reading PDFs which simplifies the experience by presenting the document like a text file. Robert On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:34 AM Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > No, Bookmarks are typically a list of the Headings in a document. If you > are using Word, you can turn on the Navigation Pane (Alt + W, K in Word > 2013/2016) and get a list of Headings in the document. This is similar to > what you get when you convert a Word document or other formats to tagged > PDF and have the ?create Bookmarks from Headings? setting turned on. It is > also similar to getting a list of Headings with your adaptive technology. > > > > Apologies, I forget the keyboard command in versions of Word prior to > 2013. Then it was under View, Document Map. > > > > Tags are similar to the HTML Tags where every paragraph has a

Tag, a > Heading 1 has an

Tag with other Headings having corresponding numbers. > Lists have a parent Tag with an Tag for a bullet or number and an > Tag for the content of the bullet or number. Tables have a parent > Tag and every row has a Tag with the cells having either
> Tags for table Header cells or Tags for table Data cells. > > > > When adaptive technology gets a list of Headings, it should be drawing on > the information in the Tags to get that list. The Bookmarks are another way > to navigate the content if the document doesn?t have a Table of Contents or > if you don?t want to return to a Table of Contents to move to another > topic?you can open the Bookmarks Panel in the Adobe Reader or Acrobat > Navigation Pane and see the ?list of Headings.? Of course you can make > anything a Bookmark in a PDF document, but generally we use Headings to > provide consistent navigational tools. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:10 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Yeah, that stinks. Are the tags in the PDF the same thing is what Adobe > calls Bookmarks? > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > > Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of > HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading > from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the > Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF > documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it > is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or > comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note > or comment and the ?text on the page.? > > > > While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the > content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged > correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are > working from. > > > > You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Hello: > > > > I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader > user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most > accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found > a way to edit PDFs directly. > > > > Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, > I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the > text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if > there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to > determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. > > > > Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the > administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer > classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task > ultimately falls to me! > > > > I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working > with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems > with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not > always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my > students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient > for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. > > > > Looking forward to responses. > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20180904/4fe0fdb4/attachment-0001.html > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:00:08 +0000 From: "Andrea L. Dietrich" To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Message-ID: < BN1PR04MB389340BAFB8CD0475239D06B8030@BN1PR04MB389.namprd04.prod.outlook.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" For chapter splitting, there?s actually a setting in Acrobat where you can tell the program to split on ?top-level bookmarks,? and it just exports all the chapters separately. IDK how well that would work with a screen reader but it?s less time-consuming than printing each PDF to a file individually, in my experience. Just FYI ? sorry I can?t speak to the rest of your questions, since I?m sighted. Good luck! -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu > Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:54 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Thanks so much for this detailed explanation. I have HTML experience, so this makes a lot of sense. Often times I do not have a student worker available to help me (summer breaks and such) so I have to break books into chapters upon receipt from the publisher. I find it very useful if there are bookmarks, because I can extract those by going to this treeview in Adobe, invoking the context menu on each one and choosing print section. I then print it to the Microsoft Print to PDF. Many books do not offer this luxury, however, and it's much harder to find the page numbers to know what ranges to extract for each chapter. Is this another task that is simply going to be tougher for those of us who use screen readers? The way Adobe lags with screen readers, jumps around at times in the buffer, just makes me want to bang my head against the wall every time I have to deal with it. I use a program called QRead for reading PDFs which simplifies the experience by presenting the document like a text file. Robert On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:34 AM Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: No, Bookmarks are typically a list of the Headings in a document. If you are using Word, you can turn on the Navigation Pane (Alt + W, K in Word 2013/2016) and get a list of Headings in the document. This is similar to what you get when you convert a Word document or other formats to tagged PDF and have the ?create Bookmarks from Headings? setting turned on. It is also similar to getting a list of Headings with your adaptive technology. Apologies, I forget the keyboard command in versions of Word prior to 2013. Then it was under View, Document Map. Tags are similar to the HTML Tags where every paragraph has a

Tag, a Heading 1 has an

Tag with other Headings having corresponding numbers. Lists have a parent Tag with an Tag for a bullet or number and an Tag for the content of the bullet or number. Tables have a parent Tag and every row has a Tag with the cells having either
Tags for table Header cells or Tags for table Data cells. When adaptive technology gets a list of Headings, it should be drawing on the information in the Tags to get that list. The Bookmarks are another way to navigate the content if the document doesn?t have a Table of Contents or if you don?t want to return to a Table of Contents to move to another topic?you can open the Bookmarks Panel in the Adobe Reader or Acrobat Navigation Pane and see the ?list of Headings.? Of course you can make anything a Bookmark in a PDF document, but generally we use Headings to provide consistent navigational tools. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:10 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Yeah, that stinks. Are the tags in the PDF the same thing is what Adobe calls Bookmarks? On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note or comment and the ?text on the page.? While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are working from. You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Hello: I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found a way to edit PDFs directly. Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task ultimately falls to me! I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. Looking forward to responses. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20180904/c34ff26b/attachment-0001.html > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 11:24:07 -0400 From: Robert Spangler To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thank you! Where can I find this setting? Worth looking into. On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:13 AM Andrea L. Dietrich wrote: > For chapter splitting, there?s actually a setting in Acrobat where you can > tell the program to split on ?top-level bookmarks,? and it just exports all > the chapters separately. IDK how well that would work with a screen reader > but it?s less time-consuming than printing each PDF to a file individually, > in my experience. > > > > Just FYI ? sorry I can?t speak to the rest of your questions, since I?m > sighted. > > > > Good luck! > > > > -Andi :) > > > > -------------------------- > > Andrea Dietrich > > Cornell University > > Student Disability Services > > Cornell Health, Level 5 > > 110 Ho Plaza > > Ithaca, NY 14853 > > http://sds.cornell.edu > > > > Tel. 607.254.4545 > > Fax. 607.255.1562 > > > > Office Hours: > > Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM > > Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:54 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Thanks so much for this detailed explanation. I have HTML experience, so > this makes a lot of sense. Often times I do not have a student worker > available to help me (summer breaks and such) so I have to break books into > chapters upon receipt from the publisher. I find it very useful if there > are bookmarks, because I can extract those by going to this treeview in > Adobe, invoking the context menu on each one and choosing print section. I > then print it to the Microsoft Print to PDF. > > > > Many books do not offer this luxury, however, and it's much harder to find > the page numbers to know what ranges to extract for each chapter. Is this > another task that is simply going to be tougher for those of us who use > screen readers? The way Adobe lags with screen readers, jumps around at > times in the buffer, just makes me want to bang my head against the wall > every time I have to deal with it. I use a program called QRead for > reading PDFs which simplifies the experience by presenting the document > like a text file. > > > Robert > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:34 AM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > > No, Bookmarks are typically a list of the Headings in a document. If you > are using Word, you can turn on the Navigation Pane (Alt + W, K in Word > 2013/2016) and get a list of Headings in the document. This is similar to > what you get when you convert a Word document or other formats to tagged > PDF and have the ?create Bookmarks from Headings? setting turned on. It is > also similar to getting a list of Headings with your adaptive technology. > > > > Apologies, I forget the keyboard command in versions of Word prior to > 2013. Then it was under View, Document Map. > > > > Tags are similar to the HTML Tags where every paragraph has a

Tag, a > Heading 1 has an

Tag with other Headings having corresponding numbers. > Lists have a parent Tag with an Tag for a bullet or number and an > Tag for the content of the bullet or number. Tables have a parent > Tag and every row has a Tag with the cells having either
> Tags for table Header cells or Tags for table Data cells. > > > > When adaptive technology gets a list of Headings, it should be drawing on > the information in the Tags to get that list. The Bookmarks are another way > to navigate the content if the document doesn?t have a Table of Contents or > if you don?t want to return to a Table of Contents to move to another > topic?you can open the Bookmarks Panel in the Adobe Reader or Acrobat > Navigation Pane and see the ?list of Headings.? Of course you can make > anything a Bookmark in a PDF document, but generally we use Headings to > provide consistent navigational tools. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:10 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Yeah, that stinks. Are the tags in the PDF the same thing is what Adobe > calls Bookmarks? > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > > Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of > HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading > from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the > Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF > documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it > is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or > comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note > or comment and the ?text on the page.? > > > > While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the > content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged > correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are > working from. > > > > You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Hello: > > > > I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader > user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most > accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found > a way to edit PDFs directly. > > > > Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, > I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the > text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if > there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to > determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. > > > > Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the > administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer > classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task > ultimately falls to me! > > > > I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working > with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems > with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not > always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my > students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient > for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. > > > > Looking forward to responses. > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20180904/ef7f6b9c/attachment-0001.html > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 16:16:00 +0000 From: "Andrea L. Dietrich" To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Message-ID: < BN1PR04MB389F16C0ECD166BF4FC0ABDB8030@BN1PR04MB389.namprd04.prod.outlook.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" In Acrobat Pro 2017, it?s under ?Tools, Organize Pages, Split.? Then you have to change the settings under Split from ?Number of Pages? to ?Top Level Bookmarks.? If you want, under Output Options, there is a setting ?Use bookmark names for file names.? You can ONLY choose that if you?ve already chosen ?Top Level Bookmarks? for your splitting option, though. Otherwise it?s greyed out and you can?t select it. Typically, when I?m splitting a PDF, I?ll go through and bookmark the beginning of each chapter, then use the file splitting to make my chapters. It?s quicker than exporting or printing each chapter manually. -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu > Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 11:24 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Thank you! Where can I find this setting? Worth looking into. On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:13 AM Andrea L. Dietrich > wrote: For chapter splitting, there?s actually a setting in Acrobat where you can tell the program to split on ?top-level bookmarks,? and it just exports all the chapters separately. IDK how well that would work with a screen reader but it?s less time-consuming than printing each PDF to a file individually, in my experience. Just FYI ? sorry I can?t speak to the rest of your questions, since I?m sighted. Good luck! -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu > Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:54 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Thanks so much for this detailed explanation. I have HTML experience, so this makes a lot of sense. Often times I do not have a student worker available to help me (summer breaks and such) so I have to break books into chapters upon receipt from the publisher. I find it very useful if there are bookmarks, because I can extract those by going to this treeview in Adobe, invoking the context menu on each one and choosing print section. I then print it to the Microsoft Print to PDF. Many books do not offer this luxury, however, and it's much harder to find the page numbers to know what ranges to extract for each chapter. Is this another task that is simply going to be tougher for those of us who use screen readers? The way Adobe lags with screen readers, jumps around at times in the buffer, just makes me want to bang my head against the wall every time I have to deal with it. I use a program called QRead for reading PDFs which simplifies the experience by presenting the document like a text file. Robert On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:34 AM Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: No, Bookmarks are typically a list of the Headings in a document. If you are using Word, you can turn on the Navigation Pane (Alt + W, K in Word 2013/2016) and get a list of Headings in the document. This is similar to what you get when you convert a Word document or other formats to tagged PDF and have the ?create Bookmarks from Headings? setting turned on. It is also similar to getting a list of Headings with your adaptive technology. Apologies, I forget the keyboard command in versions of Word prior to 2013. Then it was under View, Document Map. Tags are similar to the HTML Tags where every paragraph has a

Tag, a Heading 1 has an

Tag with other Headings having corresponding numbers. Lists have a parent Tag with an Tag for a bullet or number and an Tag for the content of the bullet or number. Tables have a parent Tag and every row has a Tag with the cells having either
Tags for table Header cells or Tags for table Data cells. When adaptive technology gets a list of Headings, it should be drawing on the information in the Tags to get that list. The Bookmarks are another way to navigate the content if the document doesn?t have a Table of Contents or if you don?t want to return to a Table of Contents to move to another topic?you can open the Bookmarks Panel in the Adobe Reader or Acrobat Navigation Pane and see the ?list of Headings.? Of course you can make anything a Bookmark in a PDF document, but generally we use Headings to provide consistent navigational tools. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:10 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Yeah, that stinks. Are the tags in the PDF the same thing is what Adobe calls Bookmarks? On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note or comment and the ?text on the page.? While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are working from. You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Hello: I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found a way to edit PDFs directly. Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task ultimately falls to me! I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. Looking forward to responses. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: < http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20180904/263274ff/attachment-0001.html > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:34:55 -0400 From: Robert Spangler To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Awesome! Does anyone know if this same process is possible in Abbyy and how to do it if it is? On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 12:25 PM Andrea L. Dietrich wrote: > In Acrobat Pro 2017, it?s under ?Tools, Organize Pages, Split.? > > > > Then you have to change the settings under Split from ?Number of Pages? to > ?Top Level Bookmarks.? If you want, under Output Options, there is a > setting ?Use bookmark names for file names.? You can ONLY choose that if > you?ve already chosen ?Top Level Bookmarks? for your splitting option, > though. Otherwise it?s greyed out and you can?t select it. > > > > Typically, when I?m splitting a PDF, I?ll go through and bookmark the > beginning of each chapter, then use the file splitting to make my chapters. > It?s quicker than exporting or printing each chapter manually. > > > > -Andi :) > > > > -------------------------- > > Andrea Dietrich > > Cornell University > > Student Disability Services > > Cornell Health, Level 5 > > 110 Ho Plaza > > Ithaca, NY 14853 > > http://sds.cornell.edu > > > > Tel. 607.254.4545 > > Fax. 607.255.1562 > > > > Office Hours: > > Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM > > Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2018 11:24 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Thank you! Where can I find this setting? Worth looking into. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:13 AM Andrea L. Dietrich > wrote: > > For chapter splitting, there?s actually a setting in Acrobat where you can > tell the program to split on ?top-level bookmarks,? and it just exports all > the chapters separately. IDK how well that would work with a screen reader > but it?s less time-consuming than printing each PDF to a file individually, > in my experience. > > > > Just FYI ? sorry I can?t speak to the rest of your questions, since I?m > sighted. > > > > Good luck! > > > > -Andi :) > > > > -------------------------- > > Andrea Dietrich > > Cornell University > > Student Disability Services > > Cornell Health, Level 5 > > 110 Ho Plaza > > Ithaca, NY 14853 > > http://sds.cornell.edu > > > > Tel. 607.254.4545 > > Fax. 607.255.1562 > > > > Office Hours: > > Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM > > Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:54 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Thanks so much for this detailed explanation. I have HTML experience, so > this makes a lot of sense. Often times I do not have a student worker > available to help me (summer breaks and such) so I have to break books into > chapters upon receipt from the publisher. I find it very useful if there > are bookmarks, because I can extract those by going to this treeview in > Adobe, invoking the context menu on each one and choosing print section. I > then print it to the Microsoft Print to PDF. > > > > Many books do not offer this luxury, however, and it's much harder to find > the page numbers to know what ranges to extract for each chapter. Is this > another task that is simply going to be tougher for those of us who use > screen readers? The way Adobe lags with screen readers, jumps around at > times in the buffer, just makes me want to bang my head against the wall > every time I have to deal with it. I use a program called QRead for > reading PDFs which simplifies the experience by presenting the document > like a text file. > > > Robert > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:34 AM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > > No, Bookmarks are typically a list of the Headings in a document. If you > are using Word, you can turn on the Navigation Pane (Alt + W, K in Word > 2013/2016) and get a list of Headings in the document. This is similar to > what you get when you convert a Word document or other formats to tagged > PDF and have the ?create Bookmarks from Headings? setting turned on. It is > also similar to getting a list of Headings with your adaptive technology. > > > > Apologies, I forget the keyboard command in versions of Word prior to > 2013. Then it was under View, Document Map. > > > > Tags are similar to the HTML Tags where every paragraph has a

Tag, a > Heading 1 has an

Tag with other Headings having corresponding numbers. > Lists have a parent Tag with an Tag for a bullet or number and an > Tag for the content of the bullet or number. Tables have a parent > Tag and every row has a Tag with the cells having either
> Tags for table Header cells or Tags for table Data cells. > > > > When adaptive technology gets a list of Headings, it should be drawing on > the information in the Tags to get that list. The Bookmarks are another way > to navigate the content if the document doesn?t have a Table of Contents or > if you don?t want to return to a Table of Contents to move to another > topic?you can open the Bookmarks Panel in the Adobe Reader or Acrobat > Navigation Pane and see the ?list of Headings.? Of course you can make > anything a Bookmark in a PDF document, but generally we use Headings to > provide consistent navigational tools. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:10 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Yeah, that stinks. Are the tags in the PDF the same thing is what Adobe > calls Bookmarks? > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > > Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of > HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading > from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the > Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF > documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it > is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or > comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note > or comment and the ?text on the page.? > > > > While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the > content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged > correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are > working from. > > > > You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Hello: > > > > I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader > user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most > accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found > a way to edit PDFs directly. > > > > Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, > I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the > text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if > there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to > determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. > > > > Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the > administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer > classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task > ultimately falls to me! > > > > I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working > with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems > with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not > always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my > students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient > for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. > > > > Looking forward to responses. > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. 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URL: < http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20180904/a1898d0a/attachment-0001.html > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 09:45:57 -0700 From: Joseph Polizzotto To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate format textbook sources Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi ATHEN List: I have attached the "Sources of E-Text" table that was compiled previously at the HTCTU. I would also add to this list Internet Archive > , who has recently launched a pilot program with AHEAD members to give students' direct access to their holdings. See the following: Internet Archive Pilot Project < https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JhY8UNo7oP8G5l41wN59syqA3B_Frp-29iF4d5ZVuts/edit > For audio versions of public domain titles, also don't forget about LibriVoX > . Respectfully, Joseph On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 12:46 PM Tristen Breitenfeldt (Wipro Ltd.) < tristenbreitenfeldt@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > While I was a student, I checked a couple different sources for accessible > textbook formats before approaching the DRC at my college. > I checked the following places: > iBooks (from Apple) > Kindle (from Amazon) > BARD (from the National Library Service for the Blind) > Audible.com > BookShare > > These are all accessible sources for books. Sometimes my books were > available and sometimes not. Sometimes I could get the right book in the > wrong edition, which meant getting approval from my instructor. > Yes, these are sources that Alternative Formats offices can also > investigate, but I am a strong believer in encouraging students to exhaust > the available options, doing some "leg work" on their own first. It is a > little extra work for students to investigate these avenues on their own, > but believe it or not having the ability to find my own accessible > materials > was extremely empowering and provided me with skills that have helped me in > my career. I'm pretty sure that most students would feel similarly after > finding their own books. > I'm not saying that the Alt Formats office was unnecessary; quite the > opposite in fact, because I frequently relied on them as my backup plan if > I > couldn't find the books I needed in an accessible format, or if I needed > certain parts of a book in another format such as braille or tactile > graphics. I also depended on the nudging and encouragement from my DRC > counselor encouraging me to explore these other options, even when it was > easier for me to get all my books from the Alt Formats office. > > Have a great day! > > Tristen Breitenfeldt > Accessibility Tester/Trainer > Wipro/Microsoft > > > -----Original Message----- > From: athen-list On Behalf > Of athen-list-request@mailman12.u.washington.edu > Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 12:00 PM > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 152, Issue 3 > > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 12:43:05 -0700 > From: Shelley Haven > To: ATHEN > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate format textbook sources > Message-ID: <6B753ABB-AD87-4082-B3A6-C423FFF69A7C@techpotential.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Check CAST?s webpage on ?Digital Content & Media Sources? (part of their > extensive AEM section) for other sources you might want to add to your > list: > > > http://aem.cast.org/navigating/digital-content-media-sources.html#.W4w63y2UV > 0o > < http://aem.cast.org/navigating/digital-content-media-sources.html#.W4w63y2UV0o > > < > http://aem.cast.org/navigating/digital-content-media-sources.html#.W4w63y2U > V0o > < http://aem.cast.org/navigating/digital-content-media-sources.html#.W4w63y2UV0o > > > > > Best, > Shelley > > _____________________________ > Shelley Haven ATP, RET > Assistive Technology Consultant > www.TechPotential.net > > > > On Aug 30, 2018, at 10:41 AM, Hegney, Shaun < > Shaun.Hegney@sfcc.spokane.edu> > wrote: > > Hello all, > > I am doing a little research as I am trying to find more sources for > alternate format textbooks as it seems like our college is using less > common > or harder to get books. Especially as we add increasingly niche courses. I > have been sourcing most of my books from Access Text, Book Share and > publishers directly. I have also used the Louis Database (I have found a > few > braille books this way). > > If you have any other, sources please share your experience. In addition, > I > am interested in hearing if anyone has found a membership to the access > text > exchange worthwhile. > > Thanks, > > Shaun Hegney > Program Specialist 2 > Disability Support Services > Spokane Falls Community College > (509)-533-3544 > Shaun.Hegney@sfcc.spokane.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- *Alternate Media Supervisor* Disabled Students' Program University of California, Berkeley https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ < https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdsp.berkeley.edu%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C4e0abffcb5b34567a22308d5e13137b3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636662523854357148&sdata=yB5%2BUm2W6TBwpc%2BOF4DvN8wPoo1dozUwz8eCepYhTyY%3D&reserved=0 > (510) 642-0329 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu > Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 12:35 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Awesome! Does anyone know if this same process is possible in Abbyy and how to do it if it is? On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 12:25 PM Andrea L. Dietrich > wrote: In Acrobat Pro 2017, it?s under ?Tools, Organize Pages, Split.? Then you have to change the settings under Split from ?Number of Pages? to ?Top Level Bookmarks.? If you want, under Output Options, there is a setting ?Use bookmark names for file names.? You can ONLY choose that if you?ve already chosen ?Top Level Bookmarks? for your splitting option, though. Otherwise it?s greyed out and you can?t select it. Typically, when I?m splitting a PDF, I?ll go through and bookmark the beginning of each chapter, then use the file splitting to make my chapters. It?s quicker than exporting or printing each chapter manually. -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu > Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 11:24 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Thank you! Where can I find this setting? Worth looking into. On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:13 AM Andrea L. Dietrich > wrote: For chapter splitting, there?s actually a setting in Acrobat where you can tell the program to split on ?top-level bookmarks,? and it just exports all the chapters separately. IDK how well that would work with a screen reader but it?s less time-consuming than printing each PDF to a file individually, in my experience. Just FYI ? sorry I can?t speak to the rest of your questions, since I?m sighted. Good luck! -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu > Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:54 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Thanks so much for this detailed explanation. I have HTML experience, so this makes a lot of sense. Often times I do not have a student worker available to help me (summer breaks and such) so I have to break books into chapters upon receipt from the publisher. I find it very useful if there are bookmarks, because I can extract those by going to this treeview in Adobe, invoking the context menu on each one and choosing print section. I then print it to the Microsoft Print to PDF. Many books do not offer this luxury, however, and it's much harder to find the page numbers to know what ranges to extract for each chapter. Is this another task that is simply going to be tougher for those of us who use screen readers? The way Adobe lags with screen readers, jumps around at times in the buffer, just makes me want to bang my head against the wall every time I have to deal with it. I use a program called QRead for reading PDFs which simplifies the experience by presenting the document like a text file. Robert On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:34 AM Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: No, Bookmarks are typically a list of the Headings in a document. If you are using Word, you can turn on the Navigation Pane (Alt + W, K in Word 2013/2016) and get a list of Headings in the document. This is similar to what you get when you convert a Word document or other formats to tagged PDF and have the ?create Bookmarks from Headings? setting turned on. It is also similar to getting a list of Headings with your adaptive technology. Apologies, I forget the keyboard command in versions of Word prior to 2013. Then it was under View, Document Map. Tags are similar to the HTML Tags where every paragraph has a

Tag, a Heading 1 has an

Tag with other Headings having corresponding numbers. Lists have a parent Tag with an Tag for a bullet or number and an Tag for the content of the bullet or number. Tables have a parent Tag and every row has a Tag with the cells having either
Tags for table Header cells or Tags for table Data cells. When adaptive technology gets a list of Headings, it should be drawing on the information in the Tags to get that list. The Bookmarks are another way to navigate the content if the document doesn?t have a Table of Contents or if you don?t want to return to a Table of Contents to move to another topic?you can open the Bookmarks Panel in the Adobe Reader or Acrobat Navigation Pane and see the ?list of Headings.? Of course you can make anything a Bookmark in a PDF document, but generally we use Headings to provide consistent navigational tools. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 10:10 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Yeah, that stinks. Are the tags in the PDF the same thing is what Adobe calls Bookmarks? 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URL: From davew at brandeis.edu Thu Sep 6 09:35:20 2018 From: davew at brandeis.edu (David Wisniewski) Date: Thu Sep 6 09:35:44 2018 Subject: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Sep 6, 2018, at 12:31 PM, Robert Spangler wrote: > > Hello, if I receive a secured PDF from a publisher, how can I circumvent this to be able to break it into chapters? Be very careful with what you are asking. Even if your intentions are noble, your actions may violate the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act). Better to ask the publisher for chaptered, secured PDFs. Regards, David From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Thu Sep 6 09:41:17 2018 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Thu Sep 6 09:41:42 2018 Subject: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You have a legal right to crack the PDF to do what you need to do. My favorite cracker is this one: https://smallpdf.com/unlock-pdf Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 10:31 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF Hello, if I receive a secured PDF from a publisher, how can I circumvent this to be able to break it into chapters? Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Thu Sep 6 09:42:27 2018 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Thu Sep 6 09:42:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, it is not necessary to pussy-foot around publisher concerns. We are not breaking copyright or violating the DMCA. We have the legal right to adapt ANY material for use in creating accessible files for a student with a disability. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 -----Original Message----- From: athen-list On Behalf Of David Wisniewski Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 10:35 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF > On Sep 6, 2018, at 12:31 PM, Robert Spangler wrote: > > Hello, if I receive a secured PDF from a publisher, how can I circumvent this to be able to break it into chapters? Be very careful with what you are asking. Even if your intentions are noble, your actions may violate the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act). Better to ask the publisher for chaptered, secured PDFs. Regards, David _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Thu Sep 6 09:49:33 2018 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Thu Sep 6 09:49:43 2018 Subject: [Athen] Unable to open a chapter once broken out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Re-extract the original from the file and see if it works. It may have just had a wonky save. (This is why I don?t ever get rid of the original file/files I get from the publisher.) Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 10:34 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Unable to open a chapter once broken out Hello: We have broken a book into chapters but when attempting to OCR them, we notice that one of the chapters will not open. It says that there is an error in the file; that it is damaged and cannot be repaired. Has anyone run into this issue before and how did you solve it? Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Thu Sep 6 10:34:24 2018 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Thu Sep 6 10:35:08 2018 Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader In-Reply-To: <000f01d4412f$5da85bd0$18f91370$@karlencommunications.com> References: <000f01d4412f$5da85bd0$18f91370$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02937986A5@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> This is a really great explanation of why PDF remediation with a screen reader is not an accessible process. Clearly written! I would add that OmniPage is reasonably accessible, and it for me does better OCR than Adobe Pro produces with automatic settings. When I get a publisher PDF, even if it seems to read out loud OK, I run it through OmniPage and make a few changes in its mostly accessible editor. If the student wants the book right away I tell them they can have the unaltered PDF and to email me what remediations they truly need. This saves me a lot of work, because only some students need some remediations. Another solution if your student wants to see and hear the book is to give them the unaltered PDF and a word document with the entire text that you?ve cleaned up some with an accessible program like K1000. Changing the reading order in K1000 is of course perfectly accessible. Another feature I love in K1000 is its ranked spelling which lets me clean up the worst errors quickly. Instead of presenting spelling errors in chronological order, it presents them in frequency of occurrence order. So I can zap 97% of the errors in five minutes. Both K1000 and OmniPage have accessible ways of moving pages around or knowing what page you are on. It?s too bad nobody has made a modern Optacon. When I dropped an unbound book on the floor and got some pages out of order, and I was the only one in the office, I was glad I could still sort of use mine! --Debee From: athen-list On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 6:35 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note or comment and the ?text on the page.? While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are working from. You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Hello: I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found a way to edit PDFs directly. Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task ultimately falls to me! I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. Looking forward to responses. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hadir at uw.edu Thu Sep 6 12:16:14 2018 From: hadir at uw.edu (Hadi Rangin) Date: Thu Sep 6 12:16:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] EASI Webinar on Zoom Accessibility September 14 at 11 AM PT Message-ID: Hello everyone, In collaboration with EASI, we will be offering a webinar on the topic of Zoom accessibility on September 14th at 11AM PT. Zoom is a web conferencing software that is quickly becoming more widely used by educational institutions, government agencies, and various commercial companies. The University of Washington has been collaborating with Zoom for a couple of years to improve its accessibility and overall user experience. While there is still a ways to go to achieve full accessibility, we believe that Zoom has made great strides towards accessibility. In this webinar, we will discuss Zoom's various accessibility features, including closed captioning, screen reader and keyboard support, as well as its screen sharing and remote control capabilities. If you are an IT professional or simply a potential user, please register to attend this seminar and feel free to invite any colleagues or friends to attend as well. Remember, there are limited seats available, so please register now if you are interested and planning to join us for an informational and interactive session. To register for this webinar, go to EASI website and look for "Zoom Video Conferencing and Accessibility." Complete the registration form and meeting room details will be sent prior to the webinar. 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We have been working hard with publishers to make their publications born accessible, and we have seen many advances, and we still have a long way to go. Starting to crack protected content is not something we should promote. I removed the link to the cracking software from the original post below. Best George From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 10:41 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF You have a legal right to crack the PDF to do what you need to do. My favorite cracker is this one: Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 10:31 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF Hello, if I receive a secured PDF from a publisher, how can I circumvent this to be able to break it into chapters? Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Thu Sep 6 15:04:53 2018 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Thu Sep 6 15:05:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF In-Reply-To: <002e01d44627$8a3d9eb0$9eb8dc10$@montana.com> References: <002e01d44627$8a3d9eb0$9eb8dc10$@montana.com> Message-ID: George, perhaps you have time to hound publishers about removing DRM and other protections. I take in over 500 requests for textbooks a semester, more than half of those in the first two weeks of classes (I crossed the 300 mark today). Having ongoing arguments with publishers is a waste of my time, and I do what needs to be done to get the job done (and files out to the student). We turn around most books (even ones we have to scan or the bookshare files we have to correct) in four days. Our max stated goal is two weeks. I am not messing around. A student without their reading materials is dead in the water, and I cannot and will not allow that to happen. It is, actually, quite legal to crack DRM, using whatever tools are available. And I will continue to do it, for the betterment of my students. No student should have to wait an extra week while I have a back-and-forth argument with a publisher about whatever DRM they attached or whatever password they put on it or whatever watermark they put on and think we cannot remove. I crack it, produce the files in the needed format, and move on. I literally do not have time to educate a publisher, who should really know better, that they are making our lives difficult. They can choose to do what they are going to do. I, too, can choose to do what I?m going to do to circumnavigate whatever roadblocks they have thrown up. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list On Behalf Of George Kerscher Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 3:21 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF Hi, Yes, you do have the right and obligation to make educational materials accessible. I would think that the publisher made a mistake by sending you a protected PDF. I suggest you recontact them and ask for an unprotected version. Also, the DMCA makes it illegal to produce software intended for defeating DRM. The promotion of cracking tools is also a violation, but I am not a lawyer. We have been working hard with publishers to make their publications born accessible, and we have seen many advances, and we still have a long way to go. Starting to crack protected content is not something we should promote. I removed the link to the cracking software from the original post below. Best George From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 10:41 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF You have a legal right to crack the PDF to do what you need to do. My favorite cracker is this one: Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 10:31 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF Hello, if I receive a secured PDF from a publisher, how can I circumvent this to be able to break it into chapters? Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danc at uw.edu Thu Sep 6 22:40:30 2018 From: danc at uw.edu (Dan Comden) Date: Thu Sep 6 22:41:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF In-Reply-To: References: <002e01d44627$8a3d9eb0$9eb8dc10$@montana.com> Message-ID: I don't (regularly) do accessible text conversions. I'm with Susan. Publishers (punishers?) will lose that fight. Bring it. The truly awesome number of crappy content that students are asked to deal with is staggering. Publishers should be helping this, not making it worse. If they really wanted to fix this, they would. (personal opinion begins) but they're in denial over the model of printed textbooks continuing to be the rule. Yes, students still prefer printed books, (and some of our own research supports that) but someone is going to figure out how to make digital versions work well and they will own the space. And where I depart from many is the idea of the print page number...give it a rest. Give headings (unique) instead. These kids are used to dealing with digital delivery in formats like Kindle. Absolute position is what matters, not a print page number that is irrelevant for someone using screenreader or magnifcation. Likely we need a new method but print page numbers are going to really passe soon. -*- Dan On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Susan Kelmer wrote: > George, perhaps you have time to hound publishers about removing DRM and > other protections. > > > > I take in over 500 requests for textbooks a semester, more than half of > those in the first two weeks of classes (I crossed the 300 mark today). > Having ongoing arguments with publishers is a waste of my time, and I do > what needs to be done to get the job done (and files out to the student). > We turn around most books (even ones we have to scan or the bookshare files > we have to correct) in four days. Our max stated goal is two weeks. I am > not messing around. A student without their reading materials is dead in > the water, and I cannot and will not allow that to happen. > > > > It is, actually, quite legal to crack DRM, using whatever tools are > available. And I will continue to do it, for the betterment of my students. > > > > No student should have to wait an extra week while I have a back-and-forth > argument with a publisher about whatever DRM they attached or whatever > password they put on it or whatever watermark they put on and think we > cannot remove. > > > > I crack it, produce the files in the needed format, and move on. I > literally do not have time to educate a publisher, who should really know > better, that they are making our lives difficult. They can choose to do > what they are going to do. I, too, can choose to do what I?m going to do > to circumnavigate whatever roadblocks they have thrown up. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *George Kerscher > *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2018 3:21 PM > > *To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF > > > > Hi, > > > > Yes, you do have the right and obligation to make educational materials > accessible. > > > > I would think that the publisher made a mistake by sending you a protected > PDF. I suggest you recontact them and ask for an unprotected version. > > > > Also, the DMCA makes it illegal to produce software intended for defeating > DRM. The promotion of cracking tools is also a violation, but I am not a > lawyer. > > > > We have been working hard with publishers to make their publications born > accessible, and we have seen many advances, and we still have a long way to > go. Starting to crack protected content is not something we should promote. > > > > I removed the link to the cracking software from the original post below. > > > > Best > > George > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Susan Kelmer > *Sent:* Thursday, September 6, 2018 10:41 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF > > > > You have a legal right to crack the PDF to do what you need to do. My > favorite cracker is this one: > > > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2018 10:31 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF > > > > Hello, if I receive a secured PDF from a publisher, how can I circumvent > this to be able to break it into chapters? > > > > Thanks, > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Fri Sep 7 05:54:10 2018 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Fri Sep 7 05:54:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF In-Reply-To: References: <002e01d44627$8a3d9eb0$9eb8dc10$@montana.com> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2ADD17@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Dan, I do have to disagree with you on page numbers for college students, at least at this point in time. Until MLA, APA, Harvard, and Chicago stop requiring page numbers in their references, college students need them. I have been marked down on papers I?ve turned in because I didn?t have a page number for the citation in my ?accessible? resource. While younger folks are used to digital materials without page numbers (even I am), college instructors aren?t. I still get syllabi with reading assignments that only include page numbers, not chapters. How is a student supposed to do the correct reading if they cann?t find the page numbers? So, there will have to be a shift in mind set with instructors and people developing the format guidelines before we can forget page numbers. Otherwise, students with disabilities will be at a great disadvantage. Otherwise, I agree with you and Susan completely. Just to clarify, breaking DRM is only legal when being done to provide accessible materials for individuals with disabilities. It is not legal for just anybody to break DRM for the purpose of modifying materials in any other context that I am aware of. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 12:41 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF I don't (regularly) do accessible text conversions. I'm with Susan. Publishers (punishers?) will lose that fight. Bring it. The truly awesome number of crappy content that students are asked to deal with is staggering. Publishers should be helping this, not making it worse. If they really wanted to fix this, they would. (personal opinion begins) but they're in denial over the model of printed textbooks continuing to be the rule. Yes, students still prefer printed books, (and some of our own research supports that) but someone is going to figure out how to make digital versions work well and they will own the space. And where I depart from many is the idea of the print page number...give it a rest. Give headings (unique) instead. These kids are used to dealing with digital delivery in formats like Kindle. Absolute position is what matters, not a print page number that is irrelevant for someone using screenreader or magnifcation. Likely we need a new method but print page numbers are going to really passe soon. -*- Dan On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: George, perhaps you have time to hound publishers about removing DRM and other protections. I take in over 500 requests for textbooks a semester, more than half of those in the first two weeks of classes (I crossed the 300 mark today). Having ongoing arguments with publishers is a waste of my time, and I do what needs to be done to get the job done (and files out to the student). We turn around most books (even ones we have to scan or the bookshare files we have to correct) in four days. Our max stated goal is two weeks. I am not messing around. A student without their reading materials is dead in the water, and I cannot and will not allow that to happen. It is, actually, quite legal to crack DRM, using whatever tools are available. And I will continue to do it, for the betterment of my students. No student should have to wait an extra week while I have a back-and-forth argument with a publisher about whatever DRM they attached or whatever password they put on it or whatever watermark they put on and think we cannot remove. I crack it, produce the files in the needed format, and move on. I literally do not have time to educate a publisher, who should really know better, that they are making our lives difficult. They can choose to do what they are going to do. I, too, can choose to do what I?m going to do to circumnavigate whatever roadblocks they have thrown up. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of George Kerscher Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 3:21 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF Hi, Yes, you do have the right and obligation to make educational materials accessible. I would think that the publisher made a mistake by sending you a protected PDF. I suggest you recontact them and ask for an unprotected version. Also, the DMCA makes it illegal to produce software intended for defeating DRM. The promotion of cracking tools is also a violation, but I am not a lawyer. We have been working hard with publishers to make their publications born accessible, and we have seen many advances, and we still have a long way to go. Starting to crack protected content is not something we should promote. I removed the link to the cracking software from the original post below. Best George From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 10:41 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF You have a legal right to crack the PDF to do what you need to do. My favorite cracker is this one: Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 10:31 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF Hello, if I receive a secured PDF from a publisher, how can I circumvent this to be able to break it into chapters? Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krista at inclusiveinstructionaldesign.com Fri Sep 7 06:14:45 2018 From: krista at inclusiveinstructionaldesign.com (Krista Greear) Date: Fri Sep 7 06:15:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2ADD17@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <002e01d44627$8a3d9eb0$9eb8dc10$@montana.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2ADD17@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: I?ll just share that I was able to use Kindle locations as reference points in my citations for several research papers. I think Robert and Dan can both be correct in the sense of while page numbers may not be as crucial as they used to be, identifying a specific location within a body of text (aside from headings only) is likely going to be important. Loving the various perspectives, Krista On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 6:57 AM Robert Beach wrote: > Dan, > > > > I do have to disagree with you on page numbers for college students, at > least at this point in time. Until MLA, APA, Harvard, and Chicago stop > requiring page numbers in their references, college students need them. I > have been marked down on papers I?ve turned in because I didn?t have a page > number for the citation in my ?accessible? resource. > > > > While younger folks are used to digital materials without page numbers > (even I am), college instructors aren?t. I still get syllabi with reading > assignments that only include page numbers, not chapters. How is a student > supposed to do the correct reading if they cann?t find the page numbers? > > > > So, there will have to be a shift in mind set with instructors and people > developing the format guidelines before we can forget page numbers. > Otherwise, students with disabilities will be at a great disadvantage. > > > > Otherwise, I agree with you and Susan completely. > > > > Just to clarify, breaking DRM is only legal when being done to provide > accessible materials for individuals with disabilities. It is not legal for > just anybody to break DRM for the purpose of modifying materials in any > other context that I am aware of. > > > > > > Robert Lee Beach > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Kansas City Kansas Community College > > 7250 State Avenue > > Kansas City, KS 66112 > > Phone: 913-288-7671 > > Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Dan Comden > *Sent:* Friday, September 7, 2018 12:41 AM > > > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF > > > > I don't (regularly) do accessible text conversions. > > > > I'm with Susan. Publishers (punishers?) will lose that fight. Bring it. > The truly awesome number of crappy content that students are asked to deal > with is staggering. Publishers should be helping this, not making it worse. > If they really wanted to fix this, they would. (personal opinion begins) > but they're in denial over the model of printed textbooks continuing to be > the rule. Yes, students still prefer printed books, (and some of our own > research supports that) but someone is going to figure out how to make > digital versions work well and they will own the space. > > > > And where I depart from many is the idea of the print page number...give > it a rest. Give headings (unique) instead. These kids are used to dealing > with digital delivery in formats like Kindle. Absolute position is what > matters, not a print page number that is irrelevant for someone using > screenreader or magnifcation. > > > > Likely we need a new method but print page numbers are going to really > passe soon. > > > > -*- Dan > > > > On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > George, perhaps you have time to hound publishers about removing DRM and > other protections. > > > > I take in over 500 requests for textbooks a semester, more than half of > those in the first two weeks of classes (I crossed the 300 mark today). > Having ongoing arguments with publishers is a waste of my time, and I do > what needs to be done to get the job done (and files out to the student). > We turn around most books (even ones we have to scan or the bookshare files > we have to correct) in four days. Our max stated goal is two weeks. I am > not messing around. A student without their reading materials is dead in > the water, and I cannot and will not allow that to happen. > > > > It is, actually, quite legal to crack DRM, using whatever tools are > available. And I will continue to do it, for the betterment of my students. > > > > No student should have to wait an extra week while I have a back-and-forth > argument with a publisher about whatever DRM they attached or whatever > password they put on it or whatever watermark they put on and think we > cannot remove. > > > > I crack it, produce the files in the needed format, and move on. I > literally do not have time to educate a publisher, who should really know > better, that they are making our lives difficult. They can choose to do > what they are going to do. I, too, can choose to do what I?m going to do > to circumnavigate whatever roadblocks they have thrown up. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *George Kerscher > *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2018 3:21 PM > > > *To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF > > > > Hi, > > > > Yes, you do have the right and obligation to make educational materials > accessible. > > > > I would think that the publisher made a mistake by sending you a protected > PDF. I suggest you recontact them and ask for an unprotected version. > > > > Also, the DMCA makes it illegal to produce software intended for defeating > DRM. The promotion of cracking tools is also a violation, but I am not a > lawyer. > > > > We have been working hard with publishers to make their publications born > accessible, and we have seen many advances, and we still have a long way to > go. Starting to crack protected content is not something we should promote. > > > > I removed the link to the cracking software from the original post below. > > > > Best > > George > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Susan Kelmer > *Sent:* Thursday, September 6, 2018 10:41 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF > > > > You have a legal right to crack the PDF to do what you need to do. My > favorite cracker is this one: > > > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2018 10:31 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF > > > > Hello, if I receive a secured PDF from a publisher, how can I circumvent > this to be able to break it into chapters? > > > > Thanks, > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu > > Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ > > University of Washington UW Information Technology > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Krista Krista Greear Inclusive Instructional Design Enthusiast krista@inclusiveinstructionaldesign.com 360-991-7764 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Fri Sep 7 07:48:28 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Fri Sep 7 07:49:14 2018 Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02937986A5@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> References: <000f01d4412f$5da85bd0$18f91370$@karlencommunications.com> <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02937986A5@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: What is an Optacon? I use various scanning apps on my phone for the purpose of reading print documents. On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 1:39 PM Deborah Armstrong wrote: > This is a really great explanation of why PDF remediation with a screen > reader is not an accessible process. Clearly written! > > > > I would add that OmniPage is reasonably accessible, and it for me does > better OCR than Adobe Pro produces with automatic settings. > > > > When I get a publisher PDF, even if it seems to read out loud OK, I run it > through OmniPage and make a few changes in its mostly accessible editor. If > the student wants the book right away I tell them they can have the > unaltered PDF and to email me what remediations they truly need. This saves > me a lot of work, because only some students need some remediations. > > > > Another solution if your student wants to see and hear the book is to give > them the unaltered PDF and a word document with the entire text that you?ve > cleaned up some with an accessible program like K1000. Changing the reading > order in K1000 is of course perfectly accessible. > > > > Another feature I love in K1000 is its ranked spelling which lets me clean > up the worst errors quickly. Instead of presenting spelling errors in > chronological order, it presents them in frequency of occurrence order. So > I can zap 97% of the errors in five minutes. > > Both K1000 and OmniPage have accessible ways of moving pages around or > knowing what page you are on. > > > > It?s too bad nobody has made a modern Optacon. When I dropped an unbound > book on the floor and got some pages out of order, and I was the only one > in the office, I was glad I could still sort of use mine! > > > > --Debee > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Karlen Communications > *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 6:35 AM > *To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of > HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading > from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the > Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF > documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it > is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or > comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note > or comment and the ?text on the page.? > > > > While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the > content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged > correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are > working from. > > > > You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > > > > Hello: > > > > I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader > user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most > accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found > a way to edit PDFs directly. > > > > Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, > I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the > text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if > there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to > determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. > > > > Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the > administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer > classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task > ultimately falls to me! > > > > I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working > with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems > with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not > always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my > students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient > for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. > > > > Looking forward to responses. > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In this webinar, Hadi Rangin and Jason Smith from the University of Washington and Ken Ding from Zoom will discuss various accessibility features in Zoom, including closed captioning, screen reader and keyboard support, as well as its screen sharing and remote control capabilities. To register free for the zoom Video Conferencing Webinar, either go to: ) -- "Serve some cause more important than yourself" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ipriest at msudenver.edu Fri Sep 7 09:38:30 2018 From: ipriest at msudenver.edu (Priest, Ione) Date: Fri Sep 7 09:39:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Grammarly Message-ID: Happy Friday everyone, I had a student in today who is having issues with Grammarly not helping to identify missed punctuation and capitalization in their writing. I am only mildly familiar with Grammarly in the form of the Android keyboard functionality, so I'm not entirely sure this is even something Grammarly does (or does not) do. I've looked through their help section with no luck. The student is very much a stream of consciousness kind of writer, if that's helpful information to have. Thank you very much, and I hope you all have a great weekend! Ione Priest, CPACC Pronouns: she, her, hers Accessibility Technology Manager Access Center Plaza 122 Metropolitan State University of Denver ipriest@msudenver.edu Phone: 303-615-0200 Fax: 720-778-5662 [Metropolitan State University of Denver] This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A typical 12-point character will fill the array, showing a tactile image of that character. You can use the Optacon to examine any printed material, even handwriting, but your brain has to do all the interpreting, and you are seeing less than a half-inch of the material at any time. ?Tracking? or moving the camera straight across a page and staying on a line of print is the hardest task to master. Because it is so difficult to use, nobody ever created a competing device. Training to learn the Optacon was long and arduous. Blind people who faithfully practiced daily for a year could read print at about 80 words per minute. I taught myself so my speed is more around nine words per minute, because I could not afford the training. I can read page numbers and check page orientation with it, and I can also see if there are pictures on a page. I use it mostly to skim through a book to examine the layout, and sometimes to check things I?ve printed myself. I don?t really do any reading with it. There is also a device to read a CRT screen with the Optacon but I gave mine away. Another thing that made the Optacon difficult was proportional spacing and all the kerning and ligatures in fonts. This is less of an issue for me because in training myself, I printed out examples of every font I could find. The Optacon training manual is all in easy Courier. It tends to give one a false sense of success! From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 7:48 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader What is an Optacon? I use various scanning apps on my phone for the purpose of reading print documents. On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 1:39 PM Deborah Armstrong > wrote: This is a really great explanation of why PDF remediation with a screen reader is not an accessible process. Clearly written! I would add that OmniPage is reasonably accessible, and it for me does better OCR than Adobe Pro produces with automatic settings. When I get a publisher PDF, even if it seems to read out loud OK, I run it through OmniPage and make a few changes in its mostly accessible editor. If the student wants the book right away I tell them they can have the unaltered PDF and to email me what remediations they truly need. This saves me a lot of work, because only some students need some remediations. Another solution if your student wants to see and hear the book is to give them the unaltered PDF and a word document with the entire text that you?ve cleaned up some with an accessible program like K1000. Changing the reading order in K1000 is of course perfectly accessible. Another feature I love in K1000 is its ranked spelling which lets me clean up the worst errors quickly. Instead of presenting spelling errors in chronological order, it presents them in frequency of occurrence order. So I can zap 97% of the errors in five minutes. Both K1000 and OmniPage have accessible ways of moving pages around or knowing what page you are on. It?s too bad nobody has made a modern Optacon. When I dropped an unbound book on the floor and got some pages out of order, and I was the only one in the office, I was glad I could still sort of use mine! --Debee From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 6:35 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note or comment and the ?text on the page.? While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are working from. You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Hello: I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found a way to edit PDFs directly. Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task ultimately falls to me! I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. Looking forward to responses. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Fri Sep 7 10:34:21 2018 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Fri Sep 7 10:35:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Information for disabled users of Zoom Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF0293799FA4@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> If you have JAWS users who need to access Zoom, the free JAWS scripts for the Zoom client have just been updated. Download them from: http://www.hartgen.org/zoom If your screen reader or magnification users are struggling with Zoom, this $35 audiobook can also help: https://mosen.org/zoom/ If your keyboard users are wondering how to work with Zoom, a full list of keystrokes is available under settings-accessibility. The zoom client is updated about once a month and recently several accessibility bugs have been reported and will probably be fixed soon based on their previous track record. Be sure to keep your client updated as this doesn't happen automatically. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wils1627 at umn.edu Fri Sep 7 12:23:38 2018 From: wils1627 at umn.edu (Jay Wilson) Date: Fri Sep 7 12:24:04 2018 Subject: [Athen] Grammarly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I have used Grammarly regularly for the last year, and it does flag missed capitalization and punctuation reliably. I would recommend the full (paid) version because it checks more things, but the free version does check those elements. *Jay Wilson, **M.S.W* Senior Access Consultant *Disability Resource Center - Student Access * *UMN *- Twin Cities Pronouns : He/him/his The DRC has a new Facebook page ! Registered students may schedule on my online calendar or by email If you need urgent assistance with accommodations and I am not available, you can visit drop-in in person, at 612-626-1333 or drc@umn.edu: - 9-12 and 1-4 Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and - 1-4 on Tuesday *Office:* McNamara Alumni Center, Suite 180 200 Oak Street SE, Minneapolis, 55455 *This message is confidential and should only be read by its intended recipient. If it is not addressed to you, please do not read it, delete, and inform the sender.* On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Priest, Ione wrote: > Happy Friday everyone, > > > > I had a student in today who is having issues with Grammarly not helping > to identify missed punctuation and capitalization in their writing. I am > only mildly familiar with Grammarly in the form of the Android keyboard > functionality, so I?m not entirely sure this is even something Grammarly > does (or does not) do. I?ve looked through their help section with no luck. > The student is very much a stream of consciousness kind of writer, if > that?s helpful information to have. > > > > Thank you very much, and I hope you all have a great weekend! > > > > *Ione Priest, CPACC* > *Pronouns: she, her, hers* > > Accessibility Technology Manager > Access Center > > Plaza 122 > > Metropolitan State University of Denver > > ipriest@msudenver.edu > > Phone: 303-615-0200 > > Fax: 720-778-5662 > > [image: Metropolitan State University of Denver] > > *This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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URL: From dandrews at visi.com Sat Sep 8 13:27:29 2018 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat Sep 8 13:27:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF0293799E49@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> References: <000f01d4412f$5da85bd0$18f91370$@karlencommunications.com> <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02937986A5@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF0293799E49@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: I think the Optacon came out in the early to mid 70's. I had training in 1977. Everything you say is accurate. Even with the training, I probably only did about 15 words per minute. I used it on my first job, as a news writer at an all-news radio station, to check my typing if I thought I made a fatal mistake. As you say, it was difficult to learn and use, a few people mastered it, and love it, there are still a few users around. Most people, however, didn't become fast enough to make it truly useful. It was an early AT device though, and helped create the field for adaptive devices. I sold mine to buy my first talking computer, an Apple 2E. Dave At 11:45 AM 9/7/2018, you wrote: >Content-Language: en-US >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > >boundary="_000_61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF0293799E49MB1FHDALEARN_" > >Optacon was a device invented in the late >seventies by a Stanford professor with a >daughter who was blind. He formed the company, >TeleSensory, to market it ? they were perhaps >thee first access technology company. They also >created the first Braille notetaker, the VersaBraille. > >The Optacon has a camera on a cable you slide >across a printed page. The black-and-white image >from the camera is converted to a tactile image >on an array of vibrating pins. The early >Optacons had 144 pins; the later ones had 100. A >typical 12-point character will fill the array, >showing a tactile image of that character. You >can use the Optacon to examine any printed >material, even handwriting, but your brain has >to do all the interpreting, and you are seeing >less than a half-inch of the material at any >time. ???Tracking??? or moving the camera >straight across a page and staying on a line of >print is the hardest task to master. > >Because it is so difficult to use, nobody ever created a competing device. > >Training to learn the Optacon was long and >arduous. Blind people who faithfully practiced >daily for a year could read print at about 80 words per minute. > >I taught myself so my speed is more around nine >words per minute, because I could not afford the >training. I can read page numbers and check page >orientation with it, and I can also see if there >are pictures on a page. I use it mostly to skim >through a book to examine the layout, and >sometimes to check things I???ve printed myself. >I don???t really do any reading with it. There >is also a device to read a CRT screen with the Optacon but I gave mine away. > >Another thing that made the Optacon difficult >was proportional spacing and all the kerning and >ligatures in fonts. This is less of an issue for >me because in training myself, I printed out >examples of every font I could find. The Optacon >training manual is all in easy Courier. It tends >to give one a false sense of success! > > > >From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler >Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 7:48 AM >To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > >What is an Optacon? I use various scanning apps >on my phone for the purpose of reading print documents. > > >On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 1:39 PM Deborah Armstrong ><armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu> wrote: >This is a really great explanation of why PDF >remediation with a screen reader is not an accessible process. Clearly written! > >I would add that OmniPage is reasonably >accessible, and it for me does better OCR than >Adobe Pro produces with automatic settings. > >When I get a publisher PDF, even if it seems to >read out loud OK, I run it through OmniPage and >make a few changes in its mostly accessible >editor. If the student wants the book right away >I tell them they can have the unaltered PDF and >to email me what remediations they truly need. >This saves me a lot of work, because only some >students need some remediations. > >Another solution if your student wants to see >and hear the book is to give them the unaltered >PDF and a word document with the entire text >that you???ve cleaned up some with an accessible >program like K1000. Changing the reading order >in K1000 is of course perfectly accessible. > >Another feature I love in K1000 is its ranked >spelling which lets me clean up the worst errors >quickly. Instead of presenting spelling errors >in chronological order, it presents them in >frequency of occurrence order. So I can zap 97% of the errors in five minutes. >Both K1000 and OmniPage have accessible ways of >moving pages around or knowing what page you are on. > >It???s too bad nobody has made a modern Optacon. >When I dropped an unbound book on the floor and >got some pages out of order, and I was the only >one in the office, I was glad I could still sort of use mine! > >--Debee > > >From: athen-list ><athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> >On Behalf Of Karlen Communications >Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 6:35 AM >To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' ><athen-list@u.washington.edu> >Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > >Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are >always in ???virtual view??? of HTML and PDF >documents. This means that the adaptive >technology is reading from the buffer not the >text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the >Tags Tree. It is the reason we can???t add notes >or other comments to PDF documents ? where we >think we are in the docuument is not where we >are, it is where we are in the buffer. It is >also why we can???t follow notes or comments in >PDF documents. For us, there is no connection >between the note or comment and the ???text on the page.??? > >While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the >tags and review some of the content/that is >showing, we can???t tell if content has been >missed or tagged correctly based on what is on >the visual representation of the page we are working from. > >You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. > >Cheers, Karen > >From: athen-list ><athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> >On Behalf Of Robert Spangler >Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM >To: Access Technology Higher Education Network ><athen-list@u.washington.edu> >Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader > >Hello: > >I am in charge of our alternative formats >program. As a screen reader user, I do not find >Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the >most accessible. I find them laggy, they >sometimes freeze and I have not found a way to edit PDFs directly. > >Is this possible for blind folks to do with a >screen reader? Ultimately, I need to be able to >remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, >edit the text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I >can do chapter breaks especially if there are >bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult >to do, to determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. > >Normally, we have student workers who handle the >editing and I just do the administrative stuff, >such as sending out the texts. We have summer >classes, though, when the student workers are >not here, so this task ultimately falls to me! > >I would love to hear from people, especially >blind people, who are working with remediating >PDFs. Is this possible? Are there >accessibility problems with these >programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that >most PDFs are not always edited adequately and I >deal with it, but I don't want to tell my >students this. Haha. I usually run it through >OCR and that's sufficient for me except for when >the order of the reading is incorrect. > >Looking forward to responses. > >Robert > > >-- >Robert Spangler >Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >rspangler1@udayton.edu >Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >Phone: 937-229-2066 >Fax: 937-229-3270 >Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) >Web Site: >http://go.udayton.edu/learning >_______________________________________________ >athen-list mailing list >athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > >-- >Robert Spangler >Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >rspangler1@udayton.edu >Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >Phone: 937-229-2066 >Fax: 937-229-3270 >Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) >Web Site: >http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From justinr at disability.tamu.edu Sat Sep 8 14:20:48 2018 From: justinr at disability.tamu.edu (Justin Romack) Date: Sat Sep 8 14:21:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] ever okay to merge cells in Excel? In-Reply-To: <008f01d447b1$eb132170$c1396450$@gmail.com> References: <008f01d447b1$eb132170$c1396450$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45876473-55B6-4E97-B1A4-DFD6E5EAAE44@disability.tamu.edu> Howdy Krista - always good to see a post here from you. Tristen is spot on. I'd also add that JAWS and NVDA do a great job of announcing when cells have been merged and which cell rows/columns are included in the merged area. I have never encountered a situation where merged cells posed a problem. Hope you're doing well, friend. Thanks, Justin Sent from my iPhone (and most likely transcribed by Siri) On Sep 8, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Tristen Breitenfeldt (Wipro Ltd.) > wrote: Hi Krista, I hope you are doing well. From a screen reader accessibility perspective, merging cells in Excel is fine and in some cases highly preferable. For example, when you have a row title which needs to apply to multiple consecutive rows, i.e., students with the last name Smith; Smith, Jane and Smith, John. Hope that helps. Tristen Breitenfeldt _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Sat Sep 8 16:39:38 2018 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com) Date: Sat Sep 8 16:39:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] ever okay to merge cells in Excel? In-Reply-To: <45876473-55B6-4E97-B1A4-DFD6E5EAAE44@disability.tamu.edu> References: <008f01d447b1$eb132170$c1396450$@gmail.com> <45876473-55B6-4E97-B1A4-DFD6E5EAAE44@disability.tamu.edu> Message-ID: <042f01d447cd$35293db0$9f7bb910$@pubcom.com> Agree: ok to merge cells. I think the recommendation of ?no merged cells? is outdated from 15-20 years ago when screen readers didn?t recognize and announce them well. I still have about 1 tech support call/email a month asking about this. It?s time for all of us to put this old recommendation out to pasture! To add more details for folks creating tables in PDFs: The merged cells should also have the span and scope placed on the final merged cell to indicate the columns and rows it applies to. And in complex PDF tables with compound headers, also put header I D?s on them, too. Microsoft and Adobe are improving their tools to do this. Not perfect yet, but in progress and nice to see it improve. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list On Behalf Of Justin Romack Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 5:21 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ever okay to merge cells in Excel? Howdy Krista - always good to see a post here from you. Tristen is spot on. I'd also add that JAWS and NVDA do a great job of announcing when cells have been merged and which cell rows/columns are included in the merged area. I have never encountered a situation where merged cells posed a problem. Hope you're doing well, friend. Thanks, Justin Sent from my iPhone (and most likely transcribed by Siri) On Sep 8, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Tristen Breitenfeldt (Wipro Ltd.) > wrote: Hi Krista, I hope you are doing well. >From a screen reader accessibility perspective, merging cells in Excel is fine and in some cases highly preferable. For example, when you have a row title which needs to apply to multiple consecutive rows, i.e., students with the last name Smith; Smith, Jane and Smith, John. Hope that helps. Tristen Breitenfeldt _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Sat Sep 8 19:12:22 2018 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Sat Sep 8 19:12:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] ever okay to merge cells in Excel? In-Reply-To: <042f01d447cd$35293db0$9f7bb910$@pubcom.com> References: <008f01d447b1$eb132170$c1396450$@gmail.com> <45876473-55B6-4E97-B1A4-DFD6E5EAAE44@disability.tamu.edu>, <042f01d447cd$35293db0$9f7bb910$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2AE408@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> This can still apply in Word as I've had lots of problems with merged cells there. If the table becomes too complex with merged and split cells, the screen reader doesn't read everything and the user soon becomes lost. ________________________________________ From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] on behalf of chagnon@pubcom.com [chagnon@pubcom.com] Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2018 6:39 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] ever okay to merge cells in Excel? Agree: ok to merge cells. I think the recommendation of ?no merged cells? is outdated from 15-20 years ago when screen readers didn?t recognize and announce them well. I still have about 1 tech support call/email a month asking about this. It?s time for all of us to put this old recommendation out to pasture! To add more details for folks creating tables in PDFs: The merged cells should also have the span and scope placed on the final merged cell to indicate the columns and rows it applies to. And in complex PDF tables with compound headers, also put header I D?s on them, too. Microsoft and Adobe are improving their tools to do this. Not perfect yet, but in progress and nice to see it improve. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list On Behalf Of Justin Romack Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 5:21 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ever okay to merge cells in Excel? Howdy Krista - always good to see a post here from you. Tristen is spot on. I'd also add that JAWS and NVDA do a great job of announcing when cells have been merged and which cell rows/columns are included in the merged area. I have never encountered a situation where merged cells posed a problem. Hope you're doing well, friend. Thanks, Justin Sent from my iPhone (and most likely transcribed by Siri) On Sep 8, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Tristen Breitenfeldt (Wipro Ltd.) > wrote: Hi Krista, I hope you are doing well. >From a screen reader accessibility perspective, merging cells in Excel is fine and in some cases highly preferable. For example, when you have a row title which needs to apply to multiple consecutive rows, i.e., students with the last name Smith; Smith, Jane and Smith, John. Hope that helps. Tristen Breitenfeldt _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From mfgreen1 at ua.edu Mon Sep 10 07:04:27 2018 From: mfgreen1 at ua.edu (Green, Melissa) Date: Mon Sep 10 07:13:29 2018 Subject: [Athen] accessible virtual tours Message-ID: Hi all, We've been asked by our housing team to help them select an accessible method to offer virtual tours of their various spaces. Their goal is to provide more complete and in-depth information (including lots of images) for prospective and new students. They are looking at the following approaches to accomplish this: * https://www.immoviewer.com/ * http://www.ou.edu/content/housingandfood/residence_halls.html * https://www.youvisit.com/tour/uky/80936 * https://housing.ucla.edu/my-housing/maps-and-tours/virtual-housing-tours Do you have experience with developing accessible virtual tours or any gotchas/caveats to share? Thank you, Melissa Melissa Green Technology Accessibility Training Specialist Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama A204C Gordon Palmer Hall Box 870248 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 205-348-8548 mfgreen1@ua.edu | http://accessibility.ua.edu [University of Alabama] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Depending on the length of the PDF it can take a while. For a 1300 page PDF I think it took an hour to 2. Enjoy ? ~Brandon Brandon Orwig-Price ? Access Specialist Disability Services ? Alternate Media COLUMBUS STATE COMMUNITY COLLEGE 550 East Spring Street, Columbus, OH 43215 (614)287-5418 | borwigprice@cscc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 12:31 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Breaking Security in a PDF Hello, if I receive a secured PDF from a publisher, how can I circumvent this to be able to break it into chapters? Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krista at inclusiveinstructionaldesign.com Mon Sep 10 08:55:03 2018 From: krista at inclusiveinstructionaldesign.com (Krista Greear) Date: Mon Sep 10 08:56:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] ever okay to merge cells in Excel? In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2AE408@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <008f01d447b1$eb132170$c1396450$@gmail.com> <45876473-55B6-4E97-B1A4-DFD6E5EAAE44@disability.tamu.edu> <042f01d447cd$35293db0$9f7bb910$@pubcom.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2AE408@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: Thank you all, this is super helpful. I checked a couple of school's accessibility pages and the trend is to recommend against using merged cells. My supervisor will be happy to know that adaptive tech and authoring tools can work with merged cells better than pervious years. Best, Krista On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 8:16 PM Robert Beach wrote: > This can still apply in Word as I've had lots of problems with merged > cells there. If the table becomes too complex with merged and split cells, > the screen reader doesn't read everything and the user soon becomes lost. > > ________________________________________ > From: athen-list [athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] on > behalf of chagnon@pubcom.com [chagnon@pubcom.com] > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2018 6:39 PM > To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] ever okay to merge cells in Excel? > > Agree: ok to merge cells. > I think the recommendation of ?no merged cells? is outdated from 15-20 > years ago when screen readers didn?t recognize and announce them well. > > I still have about 1 tech support call/email a month asking about this. > It?s time for all of us to put this old recommendation out to pasture! > > To add more details for folks creating tables in PDFs: > > The merged cells should also have the span and scope placed on the final > merged cell to indicate the columns and rows it applies to. > > And in complex PDF tables with compound headers, also put header I D?s on > them, too. Microsoft and Adobe are improving their tools to do this. Not > perfect yet, but in progress and nice to see it improve. > > ?Bevi Chagnon > > ? ? ? > Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com > ? ? ? > PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing > consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services > Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes > ? ? ? > Latest blog-newsletter< > https://mailchi.mp/ff5bd323ea45/newsletter-accessibility-fonts-design-upcoming-classes-2901237> > ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog > > From: athen-list On > Behalf Of Justin Romack > Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 5:21 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: [Athen] ever okay to merge cells in Excel? > > Howdy Krista - always good to see a post here from you. > > Tristen is spot on. I'd also add that JAWS and NVDA do a great job of > announcing when cells have been merged and which cell rows/columns are > included in the merged area. I have never encountered a situation where > merged cells posed a problem. > > Hope you're doing well, friend. > > Thanks, > Justin > > > Sent from my iPhone (and most likely transcribed by Siri) > > On Sep 8, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Tristen Breitenfeldt (Wipro Ltd.) < > tristenbreitenfeldt@gmail.com> > wrote: > Hi Krista, > I hope you are doing well. > From a screen reader accessibility perspective, merging cells in Excel is > fine and in some cases highly preferable. For example, when you have a row > title which needs to apply to multiple consecutive rows, i.e., students > with the last name Smith; Smith, Jane and Smith, John. > > Hope that helps. > > Tristen Breitenfeldt > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Krista Greear Accessibility and Inclusivity Crusader -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ipriest at msudenver.edu Mon Sep 10 11:40:56 2018 From: ipriest at msudenver.edu (Priest, Ione) Date: Mon Sep 10 11:42:43 2018 Subject: [Athen] Grammarly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jay, Thank you for the response. The student is complaining that it?s not doing it reliably ? do you feel this is something upgrading to the paid version would rectify, or would you suggest something else? Ione Priest, CPACC Pronouns: she, her, hers Accessibility Technology Manager Access Center Plaza 122 Metropolitan State University of Denver ipriest@msudenver.edu Phone: 303-615-0200 Fax: 720-778-5662 [Metropolitan State University of Denver] This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Jay Wilson Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 1:24 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Grammarly Hello, I have used Grammarly regularly for the last year, and it does flag missed capitalization and punctuation reliably. I would recommend the full (paid) version because it checks more things, but the free version does check those elements. Jay Wilson, M.S.W Senior Access Consultant Disability Resource Center - Student Access UMN - Twin Cities Pronouns: He/him/his [https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1MmOgmewB86FM03iTQVFKLd96k8W9aFI-&revid=0BykXpZHARD12ZURYT1NScWpqZ2lMalFTSnJnaFlCcmRMV0M4PQ] The DRC has a new Facebook page! Registered students may schedule on my online calendar or by email If you need urgent assistance with accommodations and I am not available, you can visit drop-in in person, at 612-626-1333 or drc@umn.edu: - 9-12 and 1-4 Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and - 1-4 on Tuesday Office: McNamara Alumni Center, Suite 180 200 Oak Street SE, Minneapolis, 55455 This message is confidential and should only be read by its intended recipient. If it is not addressed to you, please do not read it, delete, and inform the sender. On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Priest, Ione > wrote: Happy Friday everyone, I had a student in today who is having issues with Grammarly not helping to identify missed punctuation and capitalization in their writing. I am only mildly familiar with Grammarly in the form of the Android keyboard functionality, so I?m not entirely sure this is even something Grammarly does (or does not) do. I?ve looked through their help section with no luck. The student is very much a stream of consciousness kind of writer, if that?s helpful information to have. Thank you very much, and I hope you all have a great weekend! Ione Priest, CPACC Pronouns: she, her, hers Accessibility Technology Manager Access Center Plaza 122 Metropolitan State University of Denver ipriest@msudenver.edu Phone: 303-615-0200 Fax: 720-778-5662 [Metropolitan State University of Denver] This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14590 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From wils1627 at umn.edu Mon Sep 10 14:58:10 2018 From: wils1627 at umn.edu (Jay Wilson) Date: Mon Sep 10 15:03:00 2018 Subject: [Athen] Grammarly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My best guess would be that the student may be disconnected from the internet. One way to get around this problem would be to write while offline, then check it once back online. *Jay Wilson, **M.S.W* Senior Access Consultant *Disability Resource Center - Student Access * *UMN *- Twin Cities Pronouns : He/him/his The DRC has a new Facebook page ! Registered students may schedule on my online calendar or by email If you need urgent assistance with accommodations and I am not available, you can visit drop-in in person, at 612-626-1333 or drc@umn.edu: - 9-12 and 1-4 Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and - 1-4 on Tuesday *Office:* McNamara Alumni Center, Suite 180 200 Oak Street SE, Minneapolis, 55455 *This message is confidential and should only be read by its intended recipient. If it is not addressed to you, please do not read it, delete, and inform the sender.* On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 1:40 PM, Priest, Ione wrote: > Hi Jay, > > > > Thank you for the response. The student is complaining that it?s not doing > it reliably ? do you feel this is something upgrading to the paid version > would rectify, or would you suggest something else? > > > > *Ione Priest, CPACC* > *Pronouns: she, her, hers* > > Accessibility Technology Manager > Access Center > > Plaza 122 > > Metropolitan State University of Denver > > ipriest@msudenver.edu > > Phone: 303-615-0200 > > Fax: 720-778-5662 > > [image: Metropolitan State University of Denver] > > *This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you > are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by > reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.* > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Jay Wilson > *Sent:* Friday, September 07, 2018 1:24 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Grammarly > > > > Hello, > > I have used Grammarly regularly for the last year, and it does flag missed > capitalization and punctuation reliably. I would recommend the full (paid) > version because it checks more things, but the free version does check > those elements. > > > *Jay Wilson, M.S.W* > > Senior Access Consultant > > *Disability Resource Center > - Student > Access > * > > *UMN *- Twin Cities > > Pronouns > : > He/him/his > > > > > > > The DRC has a new Facebook page > > ! > > > > Registered students may schedule on my online calendar > or > by email > > If you need urgent assistance with accommodations and I am not available, > you can visit drop-in in person, at 612-626-1333 or drc@umn.edu: > - 9-12 and 1-4 Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and > > - 1-4 on Tuesday > > > > *Office:* > > McNamara Alumni Center, Suite 180 > > 200 Oak Street SE, Minneapolis, 55455 > > > > *This message is confidential and should only be read by its intended > recipient. If it is not addressed to you, please do not read it, delete, > and inform the sender.* > > > > On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Priest, Ione > wrote: > > Happy Friday everyone, > > > > I had a student in today who is having issues with Grammarly not helping > to identify missed punctuation and capitalization in their writing. I am > only mildly familiar with Grammarly in the form of the Android keyboard > functionality, so I?m not entirely sure this is even something Grammarly > does (or does not) do. I?ve looked through their help section with no luck. > The student is very much a stream of consciousness kind of writer, if > that?s helpful information to have. > > > > Thank you very much, and I hope you all have a great weekend! > > > > > *Ione Priest, CPACC **Pronouns: she, her, hers* > > Accessibility Technology Manager > Access Center > > Plaza 122 > > Metropolitan State University of Denver > > ipriest@msudenver.edu > > Phone: 303-615-0200 > > Fax: 720-778-5662 > > [image: Metropolitan State University of Denver] > > *This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you > are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by > reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.* > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14590 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kejandre at ucsc.edu Mon Sep 10 15:59:55 2018 From: kejandre at ucsc.edu (Kevin Andrews) Date: Mon Sep 10 16:00:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? Message-ID: Hi all, I met with a student who I've seen before. They are finding the voices very difficult with Kurzweil and from our discussion, they have tried a variety of voices, different rates of speech, etc, and reported disliking the robotic-sounding voices, not maintaining inflection appropriately, etc. We talked about Learning Ally, but just given a couple of the titles, I don't know this will be feasible since LA does not always carry the titles--as is the case for the one title they were able to give me already thus far. Does anyone have any other suggestions? It seems computerized voices are problematic for the student. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated here. -- Best, Kevin Andrews Pronouns: He/Him/His Accessible Technology Coordinator, Scribes and Readers Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of California, Santa Cruz Website: drc.ucsc.edu Direct Line: 831 459-1262 Please allow 24 hours for a response. For immediate needs, contact the DRC main line by phone at 831-459-2089. 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The standalone/web licensing version uses the more robotic voices. - Shawn From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kevin Andrews Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 4:00 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? Hi all, I met with a student who I've seen before. They are finding the voices very difficult with Kurzweil and from our discussion, they have tried a variety of voices, different rates of speech, etc, and reported disliking the robotic-sounding voices, not maintaining inflection appropriately, etc. We talked about Learning Ally, but just given a couple of the titles, I don't know this will be feasible since LA does not always carry the titles--as is the case for the one title they were able to give me already thus far. Does anyone have any other suggestions? It seems computerized voices are problematic for the student. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated here. -- Best, Kevin Andrews Pronouns: He/Him/His Accessible Technology Coordinator, Scribes and Readers Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of California, Santa Cruz Website: drc.ucsc.edu Direct Line: 831 459-1262 Please allow 24 hours for a response. For immediate needs, contact the DRC main line by phone at 831-459-2089. Confidentiality Notice:This e-mail communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, disclosure, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <9AC07D808E97F8488B9624F0AED5B49501B30C0CA8@VISHNU.smc.edu> References: <9AC07D808E97F8488B9624F0AED5B49501B30C0CA8@VISHNU.smc.edu> Message-ID: <013301d4495f$f4cd8f20$de68ad60$@msstate.edu> I know there is another product similar to Kurzweil made by Freedom Scientific (OpenBook), however if your student is having issues with computerized speech this may not be a solution. Another issue I would caution you in regards to is that neither Kurzweil nor OpenBook can reliably recognize math characters. It is also my experience that they can have issues with tables, particularly complicated ones, and figures are out of the question. I myself rely on the aid of visual transcribers for dealing with math and figures. Zac Zachary Mason M.S. Student Animal and Dairy Sciences Mississippi State University From: athen-list On Behalf Of JORDISON_SHAWN Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 7:29 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? Did you try the online version of Kurzweil? They?re voices are better IMO. The standalone/web licensing version uses the more robotic voices. * Shawn From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kevin Andrews Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 4:00 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? Hi all, I met with a student who I've seen before. They are finding the voices very difficult with Kurzweil and from our discussion, they have tried a variety of voices, different rates of speech, etc, and reported disliking the robotic-sounding voices, not maintaining inflection appropriately, etc. We talked about Learning Ally, but just given a couple of the titles, I don't know this will be feasible since LA does not always carry the titles--as is the case for the one title they were able to give me already thus far. Does anyone have any other suggestions? It seems computerized voices are problematic for the student. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated here. -- Best, Kevin Andrews Pronouns: He/Him/His Accessible Technology Coordinator, Scribes and Readers Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of California, Santa Cruz Website: drc.ucsc.edu Direct Line: 831 459-1262 Please allow 24 hours for a response. For immediate needs, contact the DRC main line by phone at 831-459-2089. Confidentiality Notice:This e-mail communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, disclosure, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SAMAROSITZ at pasadena.edu Mon Sep 10 17:51:47 2018 From: SAMAROSITZ at pasadena.edu (S A. Marositz) Date: Mon Sep 10 17:52:04 2018 Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF0293799E49@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> References: <000f01d4412f$5da85bd0$18f91370$@karlencommunications.com> <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02937986A5@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF0293799E49@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: Oddly, I found one of these when I was cleaning out our old alt-media production room. I guess I am a bit too young because I had no idea what it was or why our college had one. I only found out a year or so ago. I would have kept it had I known. Stephen Alexander Marositz JD, CPACC Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College Phone: (626) 585-7242 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 9:46 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Optacon was a device invented in the late seventies by a Stanford professor with a daughter who was blind. He formed the company, TeleSensory, to market it ? they were perhaps the first access technology company. They also created the first Braille notetaker, the VersaBraille. The Optacon has a camera on a cable you slide across a printed page. The black-and-white image from the camera is converted to a tactile image on an array of vibrating pins. The early Optacons had 144 pins; the later ones had 100. A typical 12-point character will fill the array, showing a tactile image of that character. You can use the Optacon to examine any printed material, even handwriting, but your brain has to do all the interpreting, and you are seeing less than a half-inch of the material at any time. ?Tracking? or moving the camera straight across a page and staying on a line of print is the hardest task to master. Because it is so difficult to use, nobody ever created a competing device. Training to learn the Optacon was long and arduous. Blind people who faithfully practiced daily for a year could read print at about 80 words per minute. I taught myself so my speed is more around nine words per minute, because I could not afford the training. I can read page numbers and check page orientation with it, and I can also see if there are pictures on a page. I use it mostly to skim through a book to examine the layout, and sometimes to check things I?ve printed myself. I don?t really do any reading with it. There is also a device to read a CRT screen with the Optacon but I gave mine away. Another thing that made the Optacon difficult was proportional spacing and all the kerning and ligatures in fonts. This is less of an issue for me because in training myself, I printed out examples of every font I could find. The Optacon training manual is all in easy Courier. It tends to give one a false sense of success! From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 7:48 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader What is an Optacon? I use various scanning apps on my phone for the purpose of reading print documents. On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 1:39 PM Deborah Armstrong > wrote: This is a really great explanation of why PDF remediation with a screen reader is not an accessible process. Clearly written! I would add that OmniPage is reasonably accessible, and it for me does better OCR than Adobe Pro produces with automatic settings. When I get a publisher PDF, even if it seems to read out loud OK, I run it through OmniPage and make a few changes in its mostly accessible editor. If the student wants the book right away I tell them they can have the unaltered PDF and to email me what remediations they truly need. This saves me a lot of work, because only some students need some remediations. Another solution if your student wants to see and hear the book is to give them the unaltered PDF and a word document with the entire text that you?ve cleaned up some with an accessible program like K1000. Changing the reading order in K1000 is of course perfectly accessible. Another feature I love in K1000 is its ranked spelling which lets me clean up the worst errors quickly. Instead of presenting spelling errors in chronological order, it presents them in frequency of occurrence order. So I can zap 97% of the errors in five minutes. Both K1000 and OmniPage have accessible ways of moving pages around or knowing what page you are on. It?s too bad nobody has made a modern Optacon. When I dropped an unbound book on the floor and got some pages out of order, and I was the only one in the office, I was glad I could still sort of use mine! --Debee From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 6:35 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Screen readers and Text-to-Speech tools are always in ?virtual view? of HTML and PDF documents. This means that the adaptive technology is reading from the buffer not the text layer of the document, In PDF, this is the Tags Tree. It is the reason we can?t add notes or other comments to PDF documents ? where we think we are in the document is not where we are, it is where we are in the buffer. It is also why we can?t follow notes or comments in PDF documents. For us, there is no connection between the note or comment and the ?text on the page.? While we can go down the Tags Tree, open the tags and review some of the content/that is showing, we can?t tell if content has been missed or tagged correctly based on what is on the visual representation of the page we are working from. You do need eyesight to fully remediate PDF documents. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing PDFs with a Screen Reader Hello: I am in charge of our alternative formats program. As a screen reader user, I do not find Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy Finereader to be the most accessible. I find them laggy, they sometimes freeze and I have not found a way to edit PDFs directly. Is this possible for blind folks to do with a screen reader? Ultimately, I need to be able to remediate PDFs. I would like to do tagging, edit the text, do chapter breaks, etc. I know I can do chapter breaks especially if there are bookmarks in the PDF, but I find this difficult to do, to determine the page numbers easily, if there are not bookmarks. Normally, we have student workers who handle the editing and I just do the administrative stuff, such as sending out the texts. We have summer classes, though, when the student workers are not here, so this task ultimately falls to me! I would love to hear from people, especially blind people, who are working with remediating PDFs. Is this possible? Are there accessibility problems with these programs? Admittedly, I've just accepted that most PDFs are not always edited adequately and I deal with it, but I don't want to tell my students this. Haha. I usually run it through OCR and that's sufficient for me except for when the order of the reading is incorrect. Looking forward to responses. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SAMAROSITZ at pasadena.edu Mon Sep 10 18:03:38 2018 From: SAMAROSITZ at pasadena.edu (S A. Marositz) Date: Mon Sep 10 18:04:03 2018 Subject: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? In-Reply-To: <013301d4495f$f4cd8f20$de68ad60$@msstate.edu> References: <9AC07D808E97F8488B9624F0AED5B49501B30C0CA8@VISHNU.smc.edu> <013301d4495f$f4cd8f20$de68ad60$@msstate.edu> Message-ID: Hi Kevin Keep in mind the various solutions out there all use mostly the same TTS engines. So, competing products like R&W Gold and Claro will sound much the same as K3000 does to the student. There are a couple things you could try: 1. Apple?s Alex voice uses a lot of inflection and actually makes the sound of someone taking a breath between paragraphs. It comes pre-installed on Mac computers but I am pretty sure it is a separate download on iOS. Once installed it can be used with most TTS apps. 2. Google?s TTS is quite good. I know of no AT that uses them off of the top of my head but I haven?t done any research either. https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/27/google-text-to-speech-service-has-more-realistic-voices/ I think I would start by looking into AT that is browser based HTH Stephen Alexander Marositz JD, CPACC Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College Phone: (626) 585-7242 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Zach Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 4:43 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? I know there is another product similar to Kurzweil made by Freedom Scientific (OpenBook), however if your student is having issues with computerized speech this may not be a solution. Another issue I would caution you in regards to is that neither Kurzweil nor OpenBook can reliably recognize math characters. It is also my experience that they can have issues with tables, particularly complicated ones, and figures are out of the question. I myself rely on the aid of visual transcribers for dealing with math and figures. Zac Zachary Mason M.S. Student Animal and Dairy Sciences Mississippi State University From: athen-list > On Behalf Of JORDISON_SHAWN Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 7:29 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? Did you try the online version of Kurzweil? They?re voices are better IMO. The standalone/web licensing version uses the more robotic voices. - Shawn From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kevin Andrews Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 4:00 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? Hi all, I met with a student who I've seen before. They are finding the voices very difficult with Kurzweil and from our discussion, they have tried a variety of voices, different rates of speech, etc, and reported disliking the robotic-sounding voices, not maintaining inflection appropriately, etc. We talked about Learning Ally, but just given a couple of the titles, I don't know this will be feasible since LA does not always carry the titles--as is the case for the one title they were able to give me already thus far. Does anyone have any other suggestions? It seems computerized voices are problematic for the student. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated here. -- Best, Kevin Andrews Pronouns: He/Him/His Accessible Technology Coordinator, Scribes and Readers Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of California, Santa Cruz Website: drc.ucsc.edu Direct Line: 831 459-1262 Please allow 24 hours for a response. For immediate needs, contact the DRC main line by phone at 831-459-2089. Confidentiality Notice:This e-mail communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, disclosure, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SAMAROSITZ at pasadena.edu Mon Sep 10 18:05:34 2018 From: SAMAROSITZ at pasadena.edu (S A. Marositz) Date: Mon Sep 10 18:05:44 2018 Subject: [Athen] accessible virtual tours In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Melissa I know of none but I've been thinking about this for a while. If anyone writes back or you find any yourself, please share. Best Stephen Alexander Marositz JD, CPACC Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College Phone: (626) 585-7242 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Green, Melissa Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 7:04 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] accessible virtual tours Hi all, We've been asked by our housing team to help them select an accessible method to offer virtual tours of their various spaces. Their goal is to provide more complete and in-depth information (including lots of images) for prospective and new students. They are looking at the following approaches to accomplish this: * https://www.immoviewer.com/ * http://www.ou.edu/content/housingandfood/residence_halls.html * https://www.youvisit.com/tour/uky/80936 * https://housing.ucla.edu/my-housing/maps-and-tours/virtual-housing-tours Do you have experience with developing accessible virtual tours or any gotchas/caveats to share? Thank you, Melissa Melissa Green Technology Accessibility Training Specialist Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama A204C Gordon Palmer Hall Box 870248 Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 Phone 205-348-8548 mfgreen1@ua.edu | http://accessibility.ua.edu [University of Alabama] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 6054 bytes Desc: image001.gif URL: From adwershing at pstcc.edu Tue Sep 11 05:53:01 2018 From: adwershing at pstcc.edu (Wershing, Alice D.) Date: Tue Sep 11 05:53:12 2018 Subject: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? In-Reply-To: <013301d4495f$f4cd8f20$de68ad60$@msstate.edu> References: <9AC07D808E97F8488B9624F0AED5B49501B30C0CA8@VISHNU.smc.edu> <013301d4495f$f4cd8f20$de68ad60$@msstate.edu> Message-ID: I?ve been looking into other voice options that are available to give to students. Neospeech, Acapela and Text Aloud offer voices for reasonable prices and there are test voices available on the web sites. I?ve also looked at Ivona voices from Amazon Polly which would be an additional service option. Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.A.C. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7699 (fax) East TN Region Accessibility Specialist Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus PSCC Access for All Blog PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page (PSCC-Disability Services) PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed (@Access4allPSCC) From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Zach Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 7:43 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? I know there is another product similar to Kurzweil made by Freedom Scientific (OpenBook), however if your student is having issues with computerized speech this may not be a solution. Another issue I would caution you in regards to is that neither Kurzweil nor OpenBook can reliably recognize math characters. It is also my experience that they can have issues with tables, particularly complicated ones, and figures are out of the question. I myself rely on the aid of visual transcribers for dealing with math and figures. Zac Zachary Mason M.S. Student Animal and Dairy Sciences Mississippi State University From: athen-list > On Behalf Of JORDISON_SHAWN Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 7:29 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? Did you try the online version of Kurzweil? They?re voices are better IMO. The standalone/web licensing version uses the more robotic voices. - Shawn From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kevin Andrews Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 4:00 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? Hi all, I met with a student who I've seen before. They are finding the voices very difficult with Kurzweil and from our discussion, they have tried a variety of voices, different rates of speech, etc, and reported disliking the robotic-sounding voices, not maintaining inflection appropriately, etc. We talked about Learning Ally, but just given a couple of the titles, I don't know this will be feasible since LA does not always carry the titles--as is the case for the one title they were able to give me already thus far. Does anyone have any other suggestions? It seems computerized voices are problematic for the student. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated here. -- Best, Kevin Andrews Pronouns: He/Him/His Accessible Technology Coordinator, Scribes and Readers Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of California, Santa Cruz Website: drc.ucsc.edu Direct Line: 831 459-1262 Please allow 24 hours for a response. For immediate needs, contact the DRC main line by phone at 831-459-2089. Confidentiality Notice:This e-mail communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, disclosure, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Tue Sep 11 05:56:50 2018 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Tue Sep 11 05:57:02 2018 Subject: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? In-Reply-To: <013301d4495f$f4cd8f20$de68ad60$@msstate.edu> References: <9AC07D808E97F8488B9624F0AED5B49501B30C0CA8@VISHNU.smc.edu> <013301d4495f$f4cd8f20$de68ad60$@msstate.edu> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2AFC43@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Open Book is comparable to Kurzweil 1000, If you want a Freedom Scientific product comparable to Kurzweil 3000, you?ll need WYNN. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Zach Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 6:43 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? I know there is another product similar to Kurzweil made by Freedom Scientific (OpenBook), however if your student is having issues with computerized speech this may not be a solution. Another issue I would caution you in regards to is that neither Kurzweil nor OpenBook can reliably recognize math characters. It is also my experience that they can have issues with tables, particularly complicated ones, and figures are out of the question. I myself rely on the aid of visual transcribers for dealing with math and figures. Zac Zachary Mason M.S. Student Animal and Dairy Sciences Mississippi State University From: athen-list > On Behalf Of JORDISON_SHAWN Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 7:29 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? Did you try the online version of Kurzweil? They?re voices are better IMO. The standalone/web licensing version uses the more robotic voices. - Shawn From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kevin Andrews Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 4:00 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? Hi all, I met with a student who I've seen before. They are finding the voices very difficult with Kurzweil and from our discussion, they have tried a variety of voices, different rates of speech, etc, and reported disliking the robotic-sounding voices, not maintaining inflection appropriately, etc. We talked about Learning Ally, but just given a couple of the titles, I don't know this will be feasible since LA does not always carry the titles--as is the case for the one title they were able to give me already thus far. Does anyone have any other suggestions? It seems computerized voices are problematic for the student. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated here. -- Best, Kevin Andrews Pronouns: He/Him/His Accessible Technology Coordinator, Scribes and Readers Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of California, Santa Cruz Website: drc.ucsc.edu Direct Line: 831 459-1262 Please allow 24 hours for a response. For immediate needs, contact the DRC main line by phone at 831-459-2089. Confidentiality Notice:This e-mail communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, disclosure, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Tue Sep 11 05:58:24 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Tue Sep 11 05:59:03 2018 Subject: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does Kurzweil not allow the use of the Windows OneCore voices that come with Windows 10? We use Read and Write, and it permits us to choose from the voices installed on the system. You could then install any voice you want and be able to choose it if Kurzweil allows this flexibility. On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 7:05 PM Kevin Andrews wrote: > Hi all, > > I met with a student who I've seen before. They are finding the voices > very difficult with Kurzweil and from our discussion, they have tried a > variety of voices, different rates of speech, etc, and reported disliking > the robotic-sounding voices, not maintaining inflection appropriately, etc. > We talked about Learning Ally, but just given a couple of the titles, I > don't know this will be feasible since LA does not always carry the > titles--as is the case for the one title they were able to give me already > thus far. > > Does anyone have any other suggestions? It seems computerized voices are > problematic for the student. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated > here. > > -- > Best, > > Kevin Andrews > Pronouns: He/Him/His > Accessible Technology Coordinator, > Scribes and Readers Coordinator > Disability Resource Center > University of California, Santa Cruz > Website: drc.ucsc.edu > > > Direct Line: 831 459-1262 > > Please allow 24 hours for a response. For immediate needs, contact the DRC > main line by phone at 831-459-2089. > > > Confidentiality Notice:This e-mail communication and any attachments may > contain confidential and privileged information.If you are not the intended > recipient(s), you are hereby notified that you have received this > communication in error and that any review, disclosure, dissemination, > distribution or > copying of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you > have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by > replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From krista at inclusiveinstructionaldesign.com Tue Sep 11 08:48:26 2018 From: krista at inclusiveinstructionaldesign.com (Krista Greear) Date: Tue Sep 11 08:49:03 2018 Subject: [Athen] at what point do you need headings? Message-ID: For Word docs, or PDFs, at what point is the document "long" or "complex" enough to require headings? For example, if there are only two paragraphs of content, are headings still necessary? What if there was only one paragraph of content but then a table? And would your answer change if the content was on a webpage? In a page within the LMS? Thanks in advance, -- Krista Greear Accessibility and Inclusivity Crusader -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Tue Sep 11 12:19:05 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Tue Sep 11 12:19:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] at what point do you need headings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is subjective. In my opinion, neither one of the examples you provided requires a table. If it is a document with multiple sections, it should have headings. The headings should be the titles of each section. Definitely if the document has a table of contents, each section should have a heading. This way, I can press H to jump quickly between each section. I would be interested to hear other people's input on this. On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 11:53 AM Krista Greear < krista@inclusiveinstructionaldesign.com> wrote: > For Word docs, or PDFs, at what point is the document "long" or "complex" > enough to require headings? > > For example, if there are only two paragraphs of content, are headings > still necessary? What if there was only one paragraph of content but then a > table? > > And would your answer change if the content was on a webpage? In a page > within the LMS? > > Thanks in advance, > -- > Krista Greear > Accessibility and Inclusivity Crusader > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From justinr at disability.tamu.edu Tue Sep 11 12:22:52 2018 From: justinr at disability.tamu.edu (Justin Romack) Date: Tue Sep 11 12:23:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] at what point do you need headings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree with Robert?s thoughts ? both in that it is very subjective, and that neither of the examples require headings. I would say, on the web, if you have a main content area, a heading setting the start of that section apart is always helpful. Usually a page or post title there is plenty sufficient. Hope that?s helpful. Thanks, Justin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Services | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:19 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] at what point do you need headings? This is subjective. In my opinion, neither one of the examples you provided requires a table. If it is a document with multiple sections, it should have headings. The headings should be the titles of each section. Definitely if the document has a table of contents, each section should have a heading. This way, I can press H to jump quickly between each section. I would be interested to hear other people's input on this. On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 11:53 AM Krista Greear > wrote: For Word docs, or PDFs, at what point is the document "long" or "complex" enough to require headings? For example, if there are only two paragraphs of content, are headings still necessary? What if there was only one paragraph of content but then a table? And would your answer change if the content was on a webpage? In a page within the LMS? Thanks in advance, -- Krista Greear Accessibility and Inclusivity Crusader _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Tue Sep 11 11:08:26 2018 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Tue Sep 11 12:33:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kurzweil comes with quite a few voices, and you can download extra voices from a lot of different places. The problem is not the voices, but the student. And it may be difficult, but they will need to figure out how to make this work for them. My question would be to ask them how they like the voice on their iPhone (Siri). I?ll bet they are doing fine with that one, and it is very similar to other voices out there. It takes some getting used to, for sure, but in order to be successful, they will have to keep trying. When I have a student complain about the voices, I suggest they switch to one with either a British or Australian English voice. They actually report back to me that these voices sound better to them. It is definitely worth a shot. I also, for LD students, often recommend VoiceDream reader. It comes with over 300 voices. Many of them are very very good. Every semester I get at least one student who insists that they can?t use anything but a human voice. We do not have the option of providing that, but they always have the option of buying audible books instead of regular books if they want. Learning Ally is a good source, but the selection may be limited or may be older versions. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kevin Andrews Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 5:00 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? Hi all, I met with a student who I've seen before. They are finding the voices very difficult with Kurzweil and from our discussion, they have tried a variety of voices, different rates of speech, etc, and reported disliking the robotic-sounding voices, not maintaining inflection appropriately, etc. We talked about Learning Ally, but just given a couple of the titles, I don't know this will be feasible since LA does not always carry the titles--as is the case for the one title they were able to give me already thus far. Does anyone have any other suggestions? It seems computerized voices are problematic for the student. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated here. -- Best, Kevin Andrews Pronouns: He/Him/His Accessible Technology Coordinator, Scribes and Readers Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of California, Santa Cruz Website: drc.ucsc.edu Direct Line: 831 459-1262 Please allow 24 hours for a response. For immediate needs, contact the DRC main line by phone at 831-459-2089. Confidentiality Notice:This e-mail communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, disclosure, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Tue Sep 11 12:34:17 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Tue Sep 11 12:35:13 2018 Subject: [Athen] at what point do you need headings? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To add to this, if there are links first before the content (remember - with a screen reader, everything is linear so even if your links are on the left and content is on the right, the links will come first for us) I prefer to have a heading, so I can jump directly to the page content. On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 3:30 PM Justin Romack wrote: > I agree with Robert?s thoughts ? both in that it is very subjective, and > that neither of the examples require headings. > > > > I would say, on the web, if you have a main content area, a heading > setting the start of that section apart is always helpful. Usually a page > or post title there is plenty sufficient. > > > > Hope that?s helpful. > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > *Justin Romack* | Assistive Technology Coordinator > > Disability Services | Texas A&M University > > 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 > > > > ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > *DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS *| One Division. One Mission. > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2018 2:19 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] at what point do you need headings? > > > > This is subjective. In my opinion, neither one of the examples you > provided requires a table. If it is a document with multiple sections, it > should have headings. The headings should be the titles of each section. > Definitely if the document has a table of contents, each section should > have a heading. This way, I can press H to jump quickly between each > section. I would be interested to hear other people's input on this. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 11:53 AM Krista Greear < > krista@inclusiveinstructionaldesign.com> wrote: > > For Word docs, or PDFs, at what point is the document "long" or "complex" > enough to require headings? > > > > For example, if there are only two paragraphs of content, are headings > still necessary? What if there was only one paragraph of content but then a > table? > > > > And would your answer change if the content was on a webpage? In a page > within the LMS? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > -- > > Krista Greear > > Accessibility and Inclusivity Crusader > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Tue Sep 11 12:41:17 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Tue Sep 11 12:42:10 2018 Subject: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's true. No matter how human the voices sound, and they're actually pretty good nowadays, it is still a computer-generated voice. Personally, I prefer computer-sounding voices because human voices do not sound good when sped up. But I'm blind and we have different needs. On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 3:36 PM Susan Kelmer wrote: > Kurzweil comes with quite a few voices, and you can download extra voices > from a lot of different places. The problem is not the voices, but the > student. And it may be difficult, but they will need to figure out how to > make this work for them. My question would be to ask them how they like > the voice on their iPhone (Siri). I?ll bet they are doing fine with that > one, and it is very similar to other voices out there. It takes some > getting used to, for sure, but in order to be successful, they will have to > keep trying. When I have a student complain about the voices, I suggest > they switch to one with either a British or Australian English voice. They > actually report back to me that these voices sound better to them. It is > definitely worth a shot. I also, for LD students, often recommend > VoiceDream reader. It comes with over 300 voices. Many of them are very > very good. > > > > Every semester I get at least one student who insists that they can?t use > anything but a human voice. We do not have the option of providing that, > but they always have the option of buying audible books instead of regular > books if they want. Learning Ally is a good source, but the selection may > be limited or may be older versions. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Kevin Andrews > *Sent:* Monday, September 10, 2018 5:00 PM > *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Subject:* [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? > > > > Hi all, > > > > I met with a student who I've seen before. They are finding the voices > very difficult with Kurzweil and from our discussion, they have tried a > variety of voices, different rates of speech, etc, and reported disliking > the robotic-sounding voices, not maintaining inflection appropriately, etc. > We talked about Learning Ally, but just given a couple of the titles, I > don't know this will be feasible since LA does not always carry the > titles--as is the case for the one title they were able to give me already > thus far. > > > > Does anyone have any other suggestions? It seems computerized voices are > problematic for the student. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated > here. > > > > -- > > Best, > > Kevin Andrews > Pronouns: He/Him/His > Accessible Technology Coordinator, > Scribes and Readers Coordinator > Disability Resource Center > University of California, Santa Cruz > Website: drc.ucsc.edu > > > Direct Line: 831 459-1262 > > Please allow 24 hours for a response. For immediate needs, contact the DRC > main line by phone at 831-459-2089. > > > Confidentiality Notice:This e-mail communication and any attachments may > contain confidential and privileged information.If you are not the intended > recipient(s), you are hereby notified that you have received this > communication in error and that any review, disclosure, dissemination, > distribution or > copying of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. 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The student I provided it to is out in an area with spotty connection at times so I wasn't happy with the change. It is bad enough when all these companies want us to buy into subscription models. Requiring a connection to the Internet to function is likely the breaking point for me buying this product for future students. On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Kevin Price wrote: > Hi, > We are interested and looking into the following Don Johnston Products, > Snap-Read, Quizbot for Google Forms, and Co:Writer:Universal to > purchase. I know Co:Writer goes a long way back but now it is using a > Google extension with the Universal version. Does anyone have experience > implementing the programs on a College/University Campus? All of these > appear to have dependency on installing within Chrome as an extension. > If you have any experience using these products in higher education, > please let me know. > > Kevin Price MSW > > Accessible Technology Coordinator > > Chair of the Digital Accessibility Committee > > University of Illinois at Chicago > > Disability Resource Center (MC 321) > > 1200 West Harrison Street, 1190 SSB > > Chicago, IL 60607-7163 > > (312) 413-0886 FAX (312) 413-7781 > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Doug Hayman w.edu> Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is more flexible to use with its Macintosh,? windows and web version support.To require chrome support only seems too restrictive.Kevin Price Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Doug Hayman Date: 9/11/18 5:09 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Don Johnston Products Don't have experience in implementation? in higher-ed per se but do provide some of their products to college-bound high school students with disabilities. I'd provided many with the stand alone Co:writer for a few years till this year when they said that was no longer available to purchase.? Instead the product required use with a chrome extension or use with Office 365 and both setups require being connected to the Internet to function.? The student I provided it to is out in an area with spotty connection at times so I wasn't happy with the change. It is bad enough when all these companies want us to buy into subscription models.? Requiring a connection to the Internet to function is likely the breaking point for me buying this product for future students. On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Kevin Price wrote: Hi, We are interested and looking into the following Don Johnston Products, Snap-Read,?Quizbot for Google Forms, and Co:Writer:Universal? to purchase.? ?I know Co:Writer?goes a long way back but now it is using a Google extension?with the Universal version. Does anyone have experience implementing the programs on a College/University Campus?? ? All of these appear to have dependency on installing within Chrome as an extension.If you have any experience using these products in higher education, please let me know. Kevin Price? MSW Accessible Technology Coordinator Chair of the Digital Accessibility Committee University of Illinois at Chicago Disability Resource Center (MC 321) 1200 West Harrison Street, 1190 SSB Chicago, IL? 60607-7163 (312) 413-0886? FAX (312) 413-7781 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Doug Hayman Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tristenbreitenfeldt at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 16:26:01 2018 From: tristenbreitenfeldt at gmail.com (Tristen Breitenfeldt (Wipro Ltd.)) Date: Tue Sep 11 16:26:35 2018 Subject: [Athen] at what point do you need headings? Message-ID: <003101d44a26$ce20b650$6a6222f0$@gmail.com> Hi Krista, In general, headings denote sections, chapters, articles, and topics in electronic documents (including Word docs, PDFs, and web pages). Think of a newspaper. Where would you find headings in a newspaper? In some cases however, specifically when preparing more specialized documents such as syllabi for college students, a study guide, or the parts of a lesson on a single page of a course in an LMS, it is better to "break up" the content using hierarchical heading structure in a way that promotes a natural reading flow through the material. This might mean grouping similar topics under one heading or even creating sub-topics using different heading levels. In the case of a textbook, you would have your standard chapter and section headings, but you may also create headings for side bars, notes, key terms, footnotes, etc. It really depends on the content and how it is being used. Tristen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.noble at louisville.edu Wed Sep 12 04:47:05 2018 From: steve.noble at louisville.edu (Noble,Stephen L.) Date: Wed Sep 12 04:47:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] MathML without Mathtype In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can use Microsoft's native equation editor (without MathType) to insert equations into a PowerPoint presentation. These equations in PowerPoint use Office Math Markup Language (OMML), and since Microsoft Office has MathML input/output (via an XSL stylesheet), you can get MathML out. However, there's no AT that I know of that can do anything with equations of any kind in PowerPoint, other than NVDA when MathType and MathPlayer are installed on your computer. Central Access Reader does support OMML in Word, but not PowerPoint. Hope that helps. --Steve Noble steve.noble@louisville.edu 502-969-3088 http://louisville.academia.edu/SteveNoble ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Varnado, Jason Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 6:14 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] MathML without Mathtype Good afternoon ATHEN, Is anyone aware if it is possible to embed MathML into Microsoft Office (Power Point specifically) without using Mathtype (or similar)? I admit I have not spend a ton of time googling this, but haven?t come across anything promising. Thank you! JASON VARNADO | Gonzaga University | Associate Director CSAS, Disability Access | P (509) 313-4034 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please feel free to share with others you know who may be interested. Thank you in advance for your time! Molly (Sheils) Mosholder, M.Ed. | Assistant Director Disability Services COLUMBUS STATE COMMUNITY COLLEGE 550 East Spring Street, Columbus, OH 43215 (614) 287-2808 | mmosholder1@cscc.edu DisabilityServices: http://cscc.edu/disability CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail (mmosholder1@cscc.edu) or by calling 614-287-2808 and immediately delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Michele *Michele Joy Bromley* Adaptive Technology Specialist Alternative Formats Coordinator Disability Resource Center Diversity & Multicultural Student Services Portland State University Office: SMSU 116K Phone: (503) 725-8395 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu Website: www.pdx.edu/drc *?The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect.? ~ Tim Berners-Lee* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Thu Sep 13 09:34:00 2018 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Thu Sep 13 09:34:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] Feedback on Note Taking Express? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1EF7D8286ED6DCE0.C9E24EEE-7B37-4B1E-BA8F-5C64A6DF7339@mail.outlook.com> Please share with the list too. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College rbeach@kckcc.edu 913-288-7671 On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 11:30 AM -0500, "Michele Bromley" > wrote: Good morning, all! Apologies to those of you who are following all three of these listservs, but I did intentionally crosspost in order to get the most feedback possible. My colleague, Darcy Kramer, has asked me to reach out to you all on her behalf to see if anyone is using Note Taking Express as an option for note taking accommodations. In looking into the possibility of using this service, she would like to be as informed as possible. Please send any feedback directly to Darcy at darcyk@pdx.edu. Thank you so much! Best, Michele Michele Joy Bromley Adaptive Technology Specialist Alternative Formats Coordinator Disability Resource Center Diversity & Multicultural Student Services Portland State University Office: SMSU 116K Phone: (503) 725-8395 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu Website: www.pdx.edu/drc ?The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect.? ~ Tim Berners-Lee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hascherdss at gmail.com Thu Sep 13 13:12:07 2018 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Thu Sep 13 13:13:06 2018 Subject: [Athen] online intro to the microscope - accessible! Message-ID: Am posting this for a colleague who is working with a distance ed student who is blind. The student is not local and is taking Principles of Biology online. Is anyone aware of an online version of an introduction to the microscope that is accessible? Thanks in advance! 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If not a channel owner choice, has anyone figured out why the CC button is sometimes absent? Looking at my personal YouTube page I see one video I made as a mini-tutorial for a friend learning GarageBand software lacks a CC button but is mostly silent or showing tweaks of music. It has no spoken section to get swept up by automated speech recognition to create bad captions. The video we were looking into here at UW does start with a bit of music only but does eventually have spoken English. Wondered if X-amount of music intro triggers the CC button to go away? Anyone have some suggestions around this anomaly we can then take into a conversation with the channel owner? Thanks, -- Doug Hayman w.edu> Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jess.thompson at sbctc.edu Thu Sep 13 14:28:05 2018 From: jess.thompson at sbctc.edu (Jess Thompson) Date: Thu Sep 13 14:28:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Vanishing CC button on some YouTube videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Doug, Perhaps they've removed the auto-captions. I just tested that on my channel and the CC button disappears (closed captions show as 'off' in the Settings, however) if I don't have another caption file uploaded. They may have realized the machine-generated captions are inaccurate, so opted to remove them entirely rather than fix them. Regards, Jess Jess Thompson Program Administrator, Accessible Technology Initiatives Washington State Board for Community & Technical Colleges p: 360.704.4327 | c: 253.229.8591 Current Projects | AccessWA Blog | Accessibility Lessons Keep in the accessibility loop by joining the CTC Accessibility listserv! ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Doug Hayman Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 2:14:10 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Vanishing CC button on some YouTube videos A while back there were a number of us that were finding YouTube videos lacking the CC button and at that time it turned out to be a recent YouTube update broke things on their end. Today we noticed a video lacked the CC button to toggle on/off captions and yet other videos on that same channel had CC button in the player along with either full on English captions or the auto-generated ones. Is there a way that a channel owner can choose to turn off or remove the CC button? If so, where does one do that? If not a channel owner choice, has anyone figured out why the CC button is sometimes absent? Looking at my personal YouTube page I see one video I made as a mini-tutorial for a friend learning GarageBand software lacks a CC button but is mostly silent or showing tweaks of music. It has no spoken section to get swept up by automated speech recognition to create bad captions. The video we were looking into here at UW does start with a bit of music only but does eventually have spoken English. Wondered if X-amount of music intro triggers the CC button to go away? Anyone have some suggestions around this anomaly we can then take into a conversation with the channel owner? Thanks, -- Doug Hayman w.edu> Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhayman at uw.edu Thu Sep 13 14:51:04 2018 From: dhayman at uw.edu (Doug Hayman) Date: Thu Sep 13 14:51:42 2018 Subject: [Athen] Vanishing CC button on some YouTube videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Jess, Took a look an one of my personal/unlisted ones that YouTube had added auto-generated captions to and removed those. Looked at it before and after. Had CC button prior to my edit; no longer has a CC button. Now to see if they re-analyze the video and add it back in. The UW one we looked at was uploaded over a year ago but perhaps they did what you suggested, removed the faulty, auto-generated captions. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 2:28 PM, Jess Thompson wrote: > Hi Doug, > > > Perhaps they've removed the auto-captions. I just tested that on my > channel and the CC button disappears (closed captions show as 'off' in the > Settings, however) if I don't have another caption file uploaded. > > > They may have realized the machine-generated captions are inaccurate, so > opted to remove them entirely rather than fix them. > > > Regards, > > Jess > > > *Jess Thompson* > Program Administrator, Accessible Technology Initiatives > Washington State Board for Community & Technical Colleges > p: 360.704.4327 | c: 253.229.8591 > Current Projects > | > AccessWA Blog | Accessibility Lessons > > > > Keep in the accessibility loop by joining the *CTC Accessibility listserv* > ! > > ------------------------------ > *From:* athen-list on > behalf of Doug Hayman > *Sent:* Thursday, September 13, 2018 2:14:10 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network > *Subject:* [Athen] Vanishing CC button on some YouTube videos > > A while back there were a number of us that were finding YouTube videos > lacking the CC button and at that time it turned out to be a recent YouTube > update broke things on their end. > > Today we noticed a video lacked the CC button to toggle on/off captions > and yet other videos on that same channel had CC button in the player along > with either full on English captions or the auto-generated ones. > > Is there a way that a channel owner can choose to turn off or remove the > CC button? If so, where does one do that? > > If not a channel owner choice, has anyone figured out why the CC button is > sometimes absent? > > Looking at my personal YouTube page I see one video I made as a > mini-tutorial for a friend learning GarageBand software lacks a CC button > but is mostly silent or showing tweaks of music. It has no spoken section > to get swept up by automated speech recognition to create bad captions. > > The video we were looking into here at UW does start with a bit of music > only but does eventually have spoken English. Wondered if X-amount of > music intro triggers the CC button to go away? > > Anyone have some suggestions around this anomaly we can then take into a > conversation with the channel owner? > > Thanks, > > -- > Doug Hayman w.edu> > Senior Computer Specialist > DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) > UW Technology Services > Box 354842 > Seattle, WA 98195 > (206) 221-4165 > http://www.washington.edu/doit > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -- Doug Hayman w.edu> Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Our math faculty are trying very hard but math seems to be especially challenging.? They would like to find a consultant to work with them to address the following: ?We need a person who can write a package for a LaTeX editor.? This package needs to generate an accessible PDF when the document is compiled.? We also will probably need "dummy-proof" instructions for how to use an unpublished package.? It also needs a command to alt-text a figure without that description showing in the complied PDF.? It sounds like this consultant would need to have a math, accessibility, and programing background.? If you know someone who might have these type of qualifications, I would appreciate getting names and contact information. I appreciate all that you and EASI do to help us move forward with our accessibility efforts. Thank you, Sylvia Gray Director of Distance Learning Midland College Midland, TX 79705 (432) 685-5576 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wink Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Michele Bromley wrote: > Good morning! > > I am working with a student who is looking for a note taking application > (iOS or Android) that allows users to highlight documents in different > colors and then extract the notes. I've recommended Kurzweil for this > purpose in the past, but the student it looking for an alternative that was > designed specifically for mobile environments. Any recommendations? > > Best, > > Michele > > *Michele Joy Bromley* > Adaptive Technology Specialist > Alternative Formats Coordinator > Disability Resource Center > Diversity & Multicultural Student Services > Portland State University > > Office: SMSU 116K > Phone: (503) 725-8395 > Fax: (503) 725-4103 > Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu > Website: www.pdx.edu/drc > > *?The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone > regardless of disability is an essential aspect.? ~ Tim Berners-Lee* > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > Virus-free. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michele.bromley at pdx.edu Fri Sep 14 13:41:54 2018 From: michele.bromley at pdx.edu (Michele Bromley) Date: Fri Sep 14 13:42:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] [orahead] Re: Looking for Helpful Note Taking Apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is great; thank you, Wink! *Michele Joy Bromley* Adaptive Technology Specialist Alternative Formats Coordinator Disability Resource Center Diversity & Multicultural Student Services Portland State University Office: SMSU 116K Phone: (503) 725-8395 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu Website: www.pdx.edu/drc *?The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect.? ~ Tim Berners-Lee* On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Wink Harner wrote: > Hi all, > > In response to Michelle's inquiry about mobile apps, here are some links > to look into: > > 1. Liner: https://getliner.com/ - allows for highlighting and extracting > text online; can be saved to Evernote app: https://evernote.com/ > 2. Here are several (free) apps for annotation: > https://pdf.wondershare.com/mobile-app/free-android-pdf-annotation.html > 3. Capterra offers more suggestions: https://tinyurl.com/yc95drds > > Hope this is helpful! > > Wink > > Wink Harner > Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production > The Foreign Type > > Portland OR > foreigntype@gmail.com > 480-984-0034 > > This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive > quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Michele Bromley > wrote: > >> Good morning! >> >> I am working with a student who is looking for a note taking application >> (iOS or Android) that allows users to highlight documents in different >> colors and then extract the notes. I've recommended Kurzweil for this >> purpose in the past, but the student it looking for an alternative that was >> designed specifically for mobile environments. Any recommendations? >> >> Best, >> >> Michele >> >> *Michele Joy Bromley* >> Adaptive Technology Specialist >> Alternative Formats Coordinator >> Disability Resource Center >> Diversity & Multicultural Student Services >> Portland State University >> >> Office: SMSU 116K >> Phone: (503) 725-8395 >> Fax: (503) 725-4103 >> Email: michele.bromley@pdx.edu >> Website: www.pdx.edu/drc >> >> *?The power of the Web is in its universality. 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It is quite large and she is only required to read specific chapters. Is there anyway to hack into the audio and choose certain chapters? Its listed as ?Classic Audio? rather than Daisy or anything I can decipher. I?ve never had to do this. Suggestions? Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15239 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Mon Sep 17 08:16:15 2018 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Mon Sep 17 08:17:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] Pearson MYLab for I.T. -- is this thing accessible? Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF029818A147@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> One of my blind students who takes online courses just purchased MyLab IT with Pearson eText -- Access Card -- for GO! with Office 2016 >From VitalSource because he believed their marketing about how accessible they are. Pearson's product page is here: https://www.pearson.com/us/higher-education/product/Gaskin-My-Lab-IT-with-Pearson-e-Text-Access-Card-for-GO-with-Office-2016/9780134497914.html He didn't rent it, he bought the ebook along with the access to the accompanying MyLab. He paid their full price. The student says The book is full of images. Learning Ally has the previous edition with all images described, but it was part of a series named "GO" and not "For Go" and was not connected with the MyLab product, so I'm not sure if that's going to help him. I downloaded and listened to the Learning Ally edition; it's a very visual way of teaching. Office 2013 and 2016 are close enough that it shouldn't be a problem for a beginner, but I see a host of issues here: 1. These textbooks typically have you clicking everywhere, rarely employing keystrokes. You're supposed to make your screen match the one pictured. 2. The Mylab we've seen for accounting and math wasn't that accessible. Can the one for I.T. be much different? I'm not sure what my responsibility is here. I can scream that the curriculum isn't accessible, but who would I talk to - it's an online course taught by an adjunct instructor. I should at least try to get the student a refund, but I only suspect it's inaccessible now from previous experience; I'm not positive. And I do not have a way to describe the multiplicity of images in the book, even if I did have a print edition. I am aware of Benetech's diagram project but it's not set up to describe images in an entire textbook on short notice. I'm getting tired of these for-proffit vendors who claim their products are accessible when they are not. Have any of you seen this textbook and have thoughts about how I should proceed? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu Mon Sep 17 08:57:49 2018 From: jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu (Joseph Polizzotto) Date: Mon Sep 17 08:58:41 2018 Subject: [Athen] other alternatives to Kurzweil? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kevin: If you have the time and the student's needs permit it, you might consider creating MP3s for the student using a TTS voice that supports SSML. For example, if you are on a PC, you could use the Balabolka command line utility + an IVONA voice (e.g., IVONA Joey Voice ) to convert a document to an audio format. Using some find and replace techniques, you can add the SSML markup to create a more natural sounding reading of the text. 1. Add SSML markup to a TXT file (e.g., Sed or Word's Find and Replace). E.g., consider using the following SSML elements for better pausing and pronunciation: for pauses at the end of sentences or paragraphs for correct pronunciation of dates, addresses, units, etc. See these resources for more info about SSML: IVONA Support for SSML and SSML Version 1.1 (IVONA supports 1.1). 2. Convert TXT file to WAV (e.g., Balabolka Utility) balcon -f "path\to\your\input.txt" -w "path\to\your\output.wav" -n "IVONA 2 Joey" 3. Convert WAV to MP3 (e.g., lame or FFmpeg ) ffmpeg -i path/to/your/input.wav path/to/your/output.mp3 HTH, Joseph On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 4:03 PM Kevin Andrews wrote: > Hi all, > > I met with a student who I've seen before. They are finding the voices > very difficult with Kurzweil and from our discussion, they have tried a > variety of voices, different rates of speech, etc, and reported disliking > the robotic-sounding voices, not maintaining inflection appropriately, etc. > We talked about Learning Ally, but just given a couple of the titles, I > don't know this will be feasible since LA does not always carry the > titles--as is the case for the one title they were able to give me already > thus far. > > Does anyone have any other suggestions? It seems computerized voices are > problematic for the student. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated > here. > > -- > Best, > > Kevin Andrews > Pronouns: He/Him/His > Accessible Technology Coordinator, > Scribes and Readers Coordinator > Disability Resource Center > University of California, Santa Cruz > Website: drc.ucsc.edu > > > Direct Line: 831 459-1262 > > Please allow 24 hours for a response. 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URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Mon Sep 17 09:25:06 2018 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Mon Sep 17 09:26:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Hacking Learning Ally book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF029818C35A@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> It?s not possible to hack the audio, but if you have a Daisy player you should be able to copy it on to the player and loan that to the student. Most modern Daisy players play Learning ally or can be certified to play the books. I personally find it difficult to deal with large books from Learning Ally on an iDEVICE anyway; a dedicated Daisy player works much, much better. If the student is a visually or physically disabled U.S. citizen they can obtain the NLS Daisy player free from their regional library and that plays Learning ally books just fine. If your student is LD it?s a good idea for your DSS department to have loaner players available for just this type of situation. Or the student can use Learning ally link on a Mac or PC. --Debee From: athen-list On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 3:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Hacking Learning Ally book I think y?all know this one. I have a gigantic anthology on Learning Ally that my blind student has to read from. She ?loves? Learning Ally but this particular book reads very slowly on her iPad. It is quite large and she is only required to read specific chapters. Is there anyway to hack into the audio and choose certain chapters? Its listed as ?Classic Audio? rather than Daisy or anything I can decipher. I?ve never had to do this. Suggestions? Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15239 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Mon Sep 17 09:55:55 2018 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Mon Sep 17 09:56:03 2018 Subject: [Athen] Hacking Learning Ally book In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF029818C35A@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF029818C35A@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: Thanks so much for your response and others?. I will look into getting a DAISY player asap. She doesn?t like carrying her laptop with her. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 10:25 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Hacking Learning Ally book It?s not possible to hack the audio, but if you have a Daisy player you should be able to copy it on to the player and loan that to the student. Most modern Daisy players play Learning ally or can be certified to play the books. I personally find it difficult to deal with large books from Learning Ally on an iDEVICE anyway; a dedicated Daisy player works much, much better. If the student is a visually or physically disabled U.S. citizen they can obtain the NLS Daisy player free from their regional library and that plays Learning ally books just fine. If your student is LD it?s a good idea for your DSS department to have loaner players available for just this type of situation. Or the student can use Learning ally link on a Mac or PC. --Debee From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 3:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Hacking Learning Ally book I think y?all know this one. I have a gigantic anthology on Learning Ally that my blind student has to read from. She ?loves? Learning Ally but this particular book reads very slowly on her iPad. It is quite large and she is only required to read specific chapters. Is there anyway to hack into the audio and choose certain chapters? Its listed as ?Classic Audio? rather than Daisy or anything I can decipher. I?ve never had to do this. Suggestions? Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15239 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 10:33:49 2018 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Mon Sep 17 10:34:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Hacking Learning Ally book In-Reply-To: References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF029818C35A@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: Leyna et al ATHEN-ites, There are DAISY mobile apps for smartphones & tablets as well. I do not know whether your "giant anthology" would crash the student's cell phone, but it IS possible to use the app on the phone for a more portable access. Here's a link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.redzoc.ramees.daisyreader&hl=en_US It's also possible to use the Google app via cloud storage too if the student uploads their book(s) to their Google Drive and "listen" online. Wink Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:55 AM, Leyna Bencomo wrote: > Thanks so much for your response and others?. I will look into getting a > DAISY player asap. She doesn?t like carrying her laptop with her. > > > > Leyna Bencomo > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Office of Information Technology > > *University of Colorado Colorado Springs* > > 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 > > Colorado Springs, CO 80918 > > (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu > > http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ > > [image: sig logo small] > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Deborah Armstrong > *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 10:25 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Hacking Learning Ally book > > > > It?s not possible to hack the audio, but if you have a Daisy player you > should be able to copy it on to the player and loan that to the student. > Most modern Daisy players play Learning ally or can be certified to play > the books. > > > > I personally find it difficult to deal with large books from Learning Ally > on an iDEVICE anyway; a dedicated Daisy player works much, much better. > > > > If the student is a visually or physically disabled U.S. citizen they can > obtain the NLS Daisy player free from their regional library and that plays > Learning ally books just fine. > > > > If your student is LD it?s a good idea for your DSS department to have > loaner players available for just this type of situation. Or the student > can use Learning ally link on a Mac or PC. > > > > > > --Debee > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Leyna Bencomo > *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:56 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Hacking Learning Ally book > > > > I think y?all know this one. I have a gigantic anthology on Learning Ally > that my blind student has to read from. She ?loves? Learning Ally but this > particular book reads very slowly on her iPad. It is quite large and she > is only required to read specific chapters. Is there anyway to hack into > the audio and choose certain chapters? Its listed as ?Classic Audio? > rather than Daisy or anything I can decipher. > > > > I?ve never had to do this. Suggestions? > > > > Leyna Bencomo > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Office of Information Technology > > *University of Colorado Colorado Springs* > > 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 > > Colorado Springs, CO 80918 > > (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu > > http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ > > > [image: sig logo small] > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Mon Sep 17 13:44:03 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Mon Sep 17 13:44:43 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word Message-ID: Hello: I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Mon Sep 17 14:01:01 2018 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Mon Sep 17 14:01:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> As far as I know, you have to add the form controls in the PDF document. Neither the old ActiveX or the newer Content Controls are converted as form controls in a PDF document. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad > On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert Spangler wrote: > > Hello: > > I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Mon Sep 17 14:10:03 2018 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com) Date: Mon Sep 17 14:10:55 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <011201d44eca$cdab1a50$69014ef0$@pubcom.com> No, Word?s form fields are not exported when a PDF is made. They are strictly for use while the document is still in the Word dot-docx format. If you want a PDF with form fields, then you can: 1. Make the form ?skeleton? in Word. That is, just the visible printable portions like instructions, headings, and labels. 2. Export to PDF. 3. Add the form fields in Acrobat Pro. Teaching a PDF Forms class right now and that is exactly what we?ve done for today?s learning lesson. And FYI, if you have complex forms, I highly encourage using InDesign for it. You can make some complex, gorgeous forms and have them nearly complete and accessible when they?re exported to PDF. Will have a short session on this at the AHG conference in November. Rob Haverty from Adobe will do a similar session on PDF forms from Word. ?Bevi ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 4:44 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word Hello: I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Mon Sep 17 14:11:20 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Mon Sep 17 14:11:56 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> References: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: OK so you're saying that one would have to do this directly using Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy FineReader? I am assuming that this process would not be accessible since it involves editing a PDF. On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > As far as I know, you have to add the form controls in the PDF document. > Neither the old ActiveX or the newer Content Controls are converted as form > controls in a PDF document. > > Cheers, Karen > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: > > Hello: > > I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the > developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create > these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable > only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is > it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone > please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this > but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Mon Sep 17 14:29:14 2018 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Mon Sep 17 14:33:08 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: References: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: I create the form template in Word, save it as a tagged PDF, make any remediation and then add the form controls. I find this saves time. No, the process is not accessible because of AT being in virtual view. It is a visual and mouse dependent activity. I have a self paced online course on how to create accessible PDF forms, but again the process is not accessible. https://karen-mccall.teachable.com/p/accessible-fillable-pdf-forms Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad > On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Robert Spangler wrote: > > OK so you're saying that one would have to do this directly using Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy FineReader? > I am assuming that this process would not be accessible since it involves editing a PDF. > > >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Karlen Communications wrote: >> As far as I know, you have to add the form controls in the PDF document. Neither the old ActiveX or the newer Content Controls are converted as form controls in a PDF document. >> >> Cheers, Karen >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert Spangler wrote: >>> >>> Hello: >>> >>> I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> Robert Spangler >>> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >>> rspangler1@udayton.edu >>> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >>> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >>> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >>> Phone: 937-229-2066 >>> Fax: 937-229-3270 >>> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) >>> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Mon Sep 17 14:55:58 2018 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Mon Sep 17 14:56:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: References: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: You would use ABBYY FineReader if you are starting the form from a scanned image. Bevi is correct about current versions of InDesign as a tool for accessible forms, however, desktop publishing authoring tools aren't accessible either. You are working with frames, threading frames so that content flows and AT doesn't support the content in the frames or the placement and sizing of frames. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad > On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Robert Spangler wrote: > > OK so you're saying that one would have to do this directly using Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy FineReader? > I am assuming that this process would not be accessible since it involves editing a PDF. > > >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Karlen Communications wrote: >> As far as I know, you have to add the form controls in the PDF document. Neither the old ActiveX or the newer Content Controls are converted as form controls in a PDF document. >> >> Cheers, Karen >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert Spangler wrote: >>> >>> Hello: >>> >>> I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> Robert Spangler >>> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >>> rspangler1@udayton.edu >>> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >>> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >>> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >>> Phone: 937-229-2066 >>> Fax: 937-229-3270 >>> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) >>> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SAMAROSITZ at pasadena.edu Mon Sep 17 18:07:34 2018 From: SAMAROSITZ at pasadena.edu (S A. Marositz) Date: Mon Sep 17 18:08:03 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: References: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert Everybody on here is right, you will not be able to create a form in Acrobat using a screen reader. There are a few PDF form controls however, you can create in word using Acrobat?s recognize form fields feature. They are textboxes, checkboxes and radio buttons. Of course the end result is not entirely an accessible document but if you want to give it a try to see how it works, here is a good tutorial. https://acrobatusers.com/tutorials/designing-forms-auto-field-detection-adobe-acrobat Here is the relevant section. The auto field detection feature looks for specific objects to convert to form fields. For example, underlines, text boxes, and clearly delineated tables are converted to text fields. By default, text fields are created with the font size set to Auto, which means text in the field will shrink to fit the field as data is entered. The default font is Helvetica. Stroked square-, circular-, or diamond-shaped objects indicate check boxes. Circular objects or numbered buttons adjacent to specific text labels indicate radio buttons, and the word signature is interpreted as a digital signature field. I hope this helps Stephen Alexander Marositz JD, CPACC Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College Phone: (626) 585-7242 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 2:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word You would use ABBYY FineReader if you are starting the form from a scanned image. Bevi is correct about current versions of InDesign as a tool for accessible forms, however, desktop publishing authoring tools aren't accessible either. You are working with frames, threading frames so that content flows and AT doesn't support the content in the frames or the placement and sizing of frames. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: OK so you're saying that one would have to do this directly using Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy FineReader? I am assuming that this process would not be accessible since it involves editing a PDF. On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Karlen Communications > wrote: As far as I know, you have to add the form controls in the PDF document. Neither the old ActiveX or the newer Content Controls are converted as form controls in a PDF document. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: Hello: I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From norm.coombs at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 22:01:46 2018 From: norm.coombs at gmail.com (Norm Coombs) Date: Mon Sep 17 22:02:04 2018 Subject: [Athen] archive available for the Zoom Accessibility webinar Message-ID: <4b4aa3ad-acc5-163d-e0ca-65cab26cc338@gmail.com> Below is the promised link to the Zoom Accessibility webinar. People wanted who we were using to do the captioning ecaptions.com (be sure to make it plural) http://easi.cc/archive/zoom/contents-for-Zoom-Accessibility-Webinar.htm You also can find it at the top of the EASI home page easi.cc Norm -- "Serve some cause more important than yourself" From admin at nadp-uk.org Tue Sep 18 00:28:50 2018 From: admin at nadp-uk.org (admin@nadp-uk.org) Date: Tue Sep 18 00:29:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Does anyone know this publisher In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0c2aa0990c2b5f81096be16e4132c7f9@nadp-uk.org> Hi The book looked interesting so I did some research - it looks as though they are a professional organisation who self-published. Their website is www.childlife.org [2] and there is a staff list with emails so you can find the right person to contact. Hope this helps Lynn On 2018-09-17 20:42, Norwich, Lorraine S wrote: > Dear All, > > I hope you are settling down this Fall 2018 > > Does anyone know the publisher Child Life Council. We are looking for a book published by them in PDF format > > Psychological Care of Children in Hospital a clinical Practice manual > > ISBN: 9780937821701 > > Does anyone have a contact for me > > Thanks > > Lorraine > > Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS > > Assistant Director of Disability Services > > Boston University > > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd Floor > > Boston, MA 02215 > > lnorwich@bu.edu (email) > > 617-353-3658 (vox) > > 617-353-9646 (fax) > > www.bu.edu/disability [1] (website) > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list Links: ------ [1] http://www.bu.edu/disability [2] http://www.childlife.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Tue Sep 18 04:27:25 2018 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Tue Sep 18 04:27:36 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: References: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <000001d44f42$93cf01c0$bb6d0540$@karlencommunications.com> Interesting. I recommend not using underline, symbols and anything else to mark form controls. I never use the auto form detection in Acrobat as I find it creates more work than it saves?same with the Make Accessible Action Wizard. The additional work it creates comes from when I have to go into the Content Panel and make the underline and symbols underneath the form control Artifacts, when I get errors in an accessibility full check that there are images with no Alt Text (the symbols and shapes used to indicate where a form control should go), and when I have to work with the Tags and all of the underline for all of the questions on a page are put in one

Tag for one question, which means that if you leave them as is, you jump around the page if you are using adaptive technology (so back to the Content Panel to make them Artifacts). The other problem with using underline and symbols in form templates is that you have to make the form controls the same size as the underline or symbols, as a form remediator, this reduces the flexibility you have in sizing the form controls to fit the type of data you are asking for. I?ve seen form authors in Word use a pretty blue dot to indicate a form control. Another issue is when you have multiline form controls and every line is identified by the auto detect tool as a separate Text form control. You need to delete most of them and expand one to cover all of the lines. The lines then become an accessibility barrier for those who want to make sure that the text they type is on the line?an impossibility but also a frustration for some of us with or without disabilities who want to ?write on the line? digitally. The lines are an additional barrier as they will often cut through text that has been typed, making it difficult for someone with a visual, learning, cognitive or print disability to proofread their answer. Another issue is when you have something like ?Gender (M/F) and there are two circles. You can?t really make the form control radio buttons because there would be no clear label as to which one is M and which one is F. I?d use a dropdown list in that case but if the form author puts circles in the form template, it will depend on where the circles are and if I can effectively cover them, make them artifacts and not have the form look unprofessional or wonky. I?ve worked on a lot of poorly designed forms over the past 18 years and am sure Bevi and others can chime in on best practices for form design if you are the form template author. I spend about an hour in my PDF form workshops going over the barriers to accessibility created when we try to add the visual cues to form templates?and the potential increase cost to clients to make the form accessible. If you are offering the form in Word as an alternate format, these visual cues should be removed anyway. However, there are instances when you are not the form template author and I always leave it up to the remediator and form author to determine the best workflow for them. This is my perspective in working with clients, poorly designed forms and the need for flexibility in adding form controls to the PDF document. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of S A. Marositz Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 9:08 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word Hi Robert Everybody on here is right, you will not be able to create a form in Acrobat using a screen reader. There are a few PDF form controls however, you can create in word using Acrobat?s recognize form fields feature. They are textboxes, checkboxes and radio buttons. Of course the end result is not entirely an accessible document but if you want to give it a try to see how it works, here is a good tutorial. https://acrobatusers.com/tutorials/designing-forms-auto-field-detection-adobe-acrobat Here is the relevant section. The auto field detection feature looks for specific objects to convert to form fields. For example, underlines, text boxes, and clearly delineated tables are converted to text fields. By default, text fields are created with the font size set to Auto, which means text in the field will shrink to fit the field as data is entered. The default font is Helvetica. Stroked square-, circular-, or diamond-shaped objects indicate check boxes. Circular objects or numbered buttons adjacent to specific text labels indicate radio buttons, and the word signature is interpreted as a digital signature field. I hope this helps Stephen Alexander Marositz JD, CPACC Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College Phone: (626) 585-7242 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 2:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word You would use ABBYY FineReader if you are starting the form from a scanned image. Bevi is correct about current versions of InDesign as a tool for accessible forms, however, desktop publishing authoring tools aren't accessible either. You are working with frames, threading frames so that content flows and AT doesn't support the content in the frames or the placement and sizing of frames. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: OK so you're saying that one would have to do this directly using Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy FineReader? I am assuming that this process would not be accessible since it involves editing a PDF. On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Karlen Communications > wrote: As far as I know, you have to add the form controls in the PDF document. Neither the old ActiveX or the newer Content Controls are converted as form controls in a PDF document. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: Hello: I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Tue Sep 18 05:39:08 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Tue Sep 18 05:39:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: References: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: When you say save it as a tagged PDF, is this something you're doing in Word? Also, trying to wrap my mind around tagged PDF - is this when you use markup tags like in HTML to designate paragraphs, headings and such? Finally, if it's just a form, what remediation would be needed? Thanks for everyone's responses! On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:38 PM Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > I create the form template in Word, save it as a tagged PDF, make any > remediation and then add the form controls. I find this saves time. > > No, the process is not accessible because of AT being in virtual view. It > is a visual and mouse dependent activity. > > I have a self paced online course on how to create accessible PDF forms, > but again the process is not accessible. > https://karen-mccall.teachable.com/p/accessible-fillable-pdf-forms > > Cheers, Karen > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: > > OK so you're saying that one would have to do this directly using Adobe > Acrobat Pro or Abbyy FineReader? > I am assuming that this process would not be accessible since it involves > editing a PDF. > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > >> As far as I know, you have to add the form controls in the PDF document. >> Neither the old ActiveX or the newer Content Controls are converted as form >> controls in a PDF document. >> >> Cheers, Karen >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert Spangler >> wrote: >> >> Hello: >> >> I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the >> developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create >> these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable >> only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is >> it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone >> please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this >> but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! >> >> -- >> Robert Spangler >> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >> rspangler1@udayton.edu >> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >> Phone: 937-229-2066 >> Fax: 937-229-3270 >> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >> hearing) >> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Tue Sep 18 05:41:28 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Tue Sep 18 05:41:59 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: References: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: My understanding is that Abbyy Finereader is a competing product to Adobe Pro/InDesign. Can one not create a form from a scanned image using Adobe? On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:59 PM Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > You would use ABBYY FineReader if you are starting the form from a scanned > image. > > Bevi is correct about current versions of InDesign as a tool for > accessible forms, however, desktop publishing authoring tools aren't > accessible either. You are working with frames, threading frames so that > content flows and AT doesn't support the content in the frames or the > placement and sizing of frames. > > Cheers, Karen > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: > > OK so you're saying that one would have to do this directly using Adobe > Acrobat Pro or Abbyy FineReader? > I am assuming that this process would not be accessible since it involves > editing a PDF. > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > >> As far as I know, you have to add the form controls in the PDF document. >> Neither the old ActiveX or the newer Content Controls are converted as form >> controls in a PDF document. >> >> Cheers, Karen >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert Spangler >> wrote: >> >> Hello: >> >> I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the >> developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create >> these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable >> only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is >> it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone >> please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this >> but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! >> >> -- >> Robert Spangler >> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >> rspangler1@udayton.edu >> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >> Phone: 937-229-2066 >> Fax: 937-229-3270 >> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >> hearing) >> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Tue Sep 18 06:07:57 2018 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Tue Sep 18 06:08:36 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: References: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <000001d44f50$9ece86a0$dc6b93e0$@karlencommunications.com> I?ve not used ABBYY FineReader to create forms from scanned images so am not sure if you can add the form controls and their Tooltips/properties in FineReader and then save as a tagged PDF. I have to upgrade my ABBYY PDF Transformer to FineReader. On my expanding list of things to do. Yes, the Tags are the ?markup? and if you save your Word document as a tagged PDF using either the Acrobat Ribbon (need to have Acrobat Pro DC installed) or by pressing F12 and choosing PDF as the file type then activating the Options button (Alt + letter O) to make sure that Headings are used for Bookmarks in the PDF before saving, you end up with a tagged PDF. It is the Tags that make a PDF accessible. There is usually not a lot of remediation but you do have to check the Tags to make sure that they are correct (part of your Quality Assurance process). As I mentioned, there may also be lines and symbols causing accessibility check errors that need to be fixed. For forms, it is not good enough to add the

Tags anywhere in the Tags Tree. The Tags must be in the

Tag where the question is so that someone using a screen reader or Text-to-Speech tool will be able to read the text of the question associated with the form field. While most of us use either a list of form controls or the Tab/Shift + Tab or other keyboard commands to zip around forms, there are times when you need to look at the question or instructional text in a form. This is why the Tag must be with the question. If you start with an untagged PDF, add the form controls and then Tag the document in Acrobat, most of the form annotations?/the form controls will be lumped into one Tag. This means that those using adaptive technology will move through the form controls but the form controls will have no real relationship to the question being asked. Think of it like reading all the form fields then going back and reading all the questions or instructional text?separate but on the same page with no relationship to each other then trying to remember which form field goes with which question. For people with learning, cognitive or print disabilities, it is essential to have the text of a question directly related/associated with the form field for that question. This is done in the Tags Tree. When the tagging tool goes through an untagged PDF document, because you are dealing with a different document layout (a form), chunks of text can be lumped together. Each question should have its own

Tag for easy reading, establishing a logical reading order and to allow you to add the correct Tag for the question. For Yes/No questions, the words Yes and No need to be separated in the

Tag so that the radio buttons can be inserted between them with the correct radio button for the Yes and No text. For example, you have the question ?Gender? followed by the word ?Male? followed by the radio button for male, followed by the text ?Female? followed by the radio button for female. That is the logical reading order of the content for that question based on the visual positioning of the text on the page. The ToolTips help us identify that we are in the right form control for the question, and we can use them to quickly fill out the form, but we also need access to the text of the form so that we can refer to it if we need or want to. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:39 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word When you say save it as a tagged PDF, is this something you're doing in Word? Also, trying to wrap my mind around tagged PDF - is this when you use markup tags like in HTML to designate paragraphs, headings and such? Finally, if it's just a form, what remediation would be needed? Thanks for everyone's responses! On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:38 PM Karlen Communications > wrote: I create the form template in Word, save it as a tagged PDF, make any remediation and then add the form controls. I find this saves time. No, the process is not accessible because of AT being in virtual view. It is a visual and mouse dependent activity. I have a self paced online course on how to create accessible PDF forms, but again the process is not accessible. https://karen-mccall.teachable.com/p/accessible-fillable-pdf-forms Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: OK so you're saying that one would have to do this directly using Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy FineReader? I am assuming that this process would not be accessible since it involves editing a PDF. On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Karlen Communications > wrote: As far as I know, you have to add the form controls in the PDF document. Neither the old ActiveX or the newer Content Controls are converted as form controls in a PDF document. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: Hello: I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Tue Sep 18 07:35:26 2018 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com) Date: Tue Sep 18 07:36:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: References: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <031601d44f5c$d788a870$8699f950$@pubcom.com> Abbyy FineReader has many of the same features that are in Acrobat Pro: ?OCR of scanned images and text. ?Edit PDFs. ?Convert PDFs to other file formats, such as Word. ?Commenting and review tasks. It has nothing in common with Adobe InDesign, which is a graphic design page layout program. InDesign is used to create visually rich documents such as books, newspapers, magazines, brochures, catalogs, billboards, business cards, and just about every other type of document on the planet. It is used to create the source document from which PDFs are exported. It does not have any OCR capabilities whatsoever, nor capabilities to edit or modify PDFs. InDesign is also used to create PDFs for press and print, which are a different type of PDF than those we read on a computer screen. These press-quality PDFs are made to the exacting technical requirements of the printing industry and have no accessibility. InDesign can also create accessible PDFs, as well as accessible EPUBs. And as Karen McCall stated earlier, it definitely is not an accessible application itself. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:41 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word My understanding is that Abbyy Finereader is a competing product to Adobe Pro/InDesign. Can one not create a form from a scanned image using Adobe? On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:59 PM Karlen Communications > wrote: You would use ABBYY FineReader if you are starting the form from a scanned image. Bevi is correct about current versions of InDesign as a tool for accessible forms, however, desktop publishing authoring tools aren't accessible either. You are working with frames, threading frames so that content flows and AT doesn't support the content in the frames or the placement and sizing of frames. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: OK so you're saying that one would have to do this directly using Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy FineReader? I am assuming that this process would not be accessible since it involves editing a PDF. On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Karlen Communications > wrote: As far as I know, you have to add the form controls in the PDF document. Neither the old ActiveX or the newer Content Controls are converted as form controls in a PDF document. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: Hello: I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Tue Sep 18 07:45:17 2018 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com) Date: Tue Sep 18 07:46:28 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: References: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <031b01d44f5e$37fd3c10$a7f7b430$@pubcom.com> There are dozens of different types of PDFs: archival, press-quality for the printing industry, engineering, PDF/UA for accessibility are just some of the most common ones. Each type is made to the specific requirements (or standards) of its industry. The term ?tagged PDF? means that yes, it has semantic markup tags similar to those in HTML, such as H1 for top-level heading, P for body text, etc. The tags for accessibility are defined in the ISO standards ISO 32000 for PDF and ISO 14289-1. Here?s a good synopsis from the Library of Congress: https://www.loc.gov/preservation/digital/formats/fdd/fdd000350.shtml Although tags in a PDF are crucial for accessibility, there are other features that the PDF must have in order to be fully accessible to all A T. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:39 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word When you say save it as a tagged PDF, is this something you're doing in Word? Also, trying to wrap my mind around tagged PDF - is this when you use markup tags like in HTML to designate paragraphs, headings and such? Finally, if it's just a form, what remediation would be needed? Thanks for everyone's responses! On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:38 PM Karlen Communications > wrote: I create the form template in Word, save it as a tagged PDF, make any remediation and then add the form controls. I find this saves time. No, the process is not accessible because of AT being in virtual view. It is a visual and mouse dependent activity. I have a self paced online course on how to create accessible PDF forms, but again the process is not accessible. https://karen-mccall.teachable.com/p/accessible-fillable-pdf-forms Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: OK so you're saying that one would have to do this directly using Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy FineReader? I am assuming that this process would not be accessible since it involves editing a PDF. On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Karlen Communications > wrote: As far as I know, you have to add the form controls in the PDF document. Neither the old ActiveX or the newer Content Controls are converted as form controls in a PDF document. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: Hello: I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ecmatson at uidaho.edu Tue Sep 18 08:08:32 2018 From: ecmatson at uidaho.edu (Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu)) Date: Tue Sep 18 08:08:47 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: Sonocent Webinar with Western Oregon University In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Forwarding this on for anyone interested in Sonocent. Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist Center for Disability Access and Resources Division of Student Affairs The University of Idaho Phone: 208.885.6307 | atext@uidaho.edu| Bruce M. Pitman Center 127 Fax: 208.885.9404 Campus Zip: 4257 This communication may contain privileged, non-public or other confidential information. If you have received it in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and immediately delete the message and any attachments without copying or disclosing the contents. Thank you. From: Craig Nathan-Moss Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:06 AM Subject: Sonocent Webinar with Western Oregon University Hi, We are happy to announce our next webinar which will take place on October 2nd, 3.30pm EST. This is covering how Western Oregon University reduced admin costs, improved accessibility and boosted student independence with note taking tech, namely Sonocent. I have to make it clear that the webinar will be focused on attracting new clients so please forward it onto anyone you think would benefit but there may be some value in parts for you too. A further description and the link to join can be found by clicking here. Thanks, Craig Craig Nathan Moss | Account Manager Sonocent Tel: 0113 815 0222 Direct: +17272403730 [https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1Ly13AdDc7BrXH8hLOdjYSQeRY-jPTow0&revid=0B9Anm9ss2g13MHI5Z01MQ3RWM0J6UUJCYitQcndzVUNFZzNrPQ] [Sonocent on Facebook] [Sonocent on Twitter] [Sonocent on LinkedIn] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Maureen.Bourbeau at unh.edu Tue Sep 18 09:10:28 2018 From: Maureen.Bourbeau at unh.edu (Bourbeau, Maureen) Date: Tue Sep 18 09:11:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Is anyone familiar with Little Forest index (LFi) Accessibility tool Message-ID: Hi All, Is anyone familiar with Little Forest index (LFi) Accessibility tool?? https://littleforest.co.uk/ https://littleforest.co.uk/web-accessibility/ I've never heard of this vendor/product but I just learned our web governance department/team here at UNH has purchased this service and it appears to be something intended for broad use. It is a Governance Tool with "accessibility" being one component. My boss asked me to float it by ATHEN for any comments or feedback. Thanks! Maureen Bourbeau Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility [cid:image001.png@01D44F48.966A5E60] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15467 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Tue Sep 18 09:22:45 2018 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Tue Sep 18 09:24:05 2018 Subject: [Athen] Pearson MYLab for I.T. -- is this thing accessible? In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF029818A147@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF029818A147@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF029818EC3F@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> I got the textbook in PDF from the ATN. Wow, Images on every page. And it is tightly integrated with the Pearson MyLab for I.T. As inaccessible as it is for a blind student it is a perfect project-based learning tool for a visual learner. "accessible" is not a black-and-white thing. I have many former students who would have been delighted to learn with this book instead of the talking-head lecture format they had to endure. Unfortunately, my blind student can't work with this and I, as a screen reader user wouldn't be able to either. --Debee From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 8:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Pearson MYLab for I.T. -- is this thing accessible? One of my blind students who takes online courses just purchased MyLab IT with Pearson eText -- Access Card -- for GO! with Office 2016 >From VitalSource because he believed their marketing about how accessible they are. Pearson's product page is here: https://www.pearson.com/us/higher-education/product/Gaskin-My-Lab-IT-with-Pearson-e-Text-Access-Card-for-GO-with-Office-2016/9780134497914.html He didn't rent it, he bought the ebook along with the access to the accompanying MyLab. He paid their full price. The student says The book is full of images. Learning Ally has the previous edition with all images described, but it was part of a series named "GO" and not "For Go" and was not connected with the MyLab product, so I'm not sure if that's going to help him. I downloaded and listened to the Learning Ally edition; it's a very visual way of teaching. Office 2013 and 2016 are close enough that it shouldn't be a problem for a beginner, but I see a host of issues here: 1. These textbooks typically have you clicking everywhere, rarely employing keystrokes. You're supposed to make your screen match the one pictured. 2. The Mylab we've seen for accounting and math wasn't that accessible. Can the one for I.T. be much different? I'm not sure what my responsibility is here. I can scream that the curriculum isn't accessible, but who would I talk to - it's an online course taught by an adjunct instructor. I should at least try to get the student a refund, but I only suspect it's inaccessible now from previous experience; I'm not positive. And I do not have a way to describe the multiplicity of images in the book, even if I did have a print edition. I am aware of Benetech's diagram project but it's not set up to describe images in an entire textbook on short notice. I'm getting tired of these for-proffit vendors who claim their products are accessible when they are not. Have any of you seen this textbook and have thoughts about how I should proceed? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Tue Sep 18 09:32:31 2018 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Tue Sep 18 09:33:57 2018 Subject: [Athen] Hacking Learning Ally book In-Reply-To: References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF029818C35A@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF029818EC68@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> When shopping for hardware Daisy players, read or at least skim the manual. Look at pictures of the device. Some of the small ones have more modes, tiny buttons are generally harder to learn but have more features. Know whether the student enjoys mastering the technology; if not, pick a player that is easiest to use. Do not buy a player without a good website with firmware downloads, manuals and FAQS. The Victor Reader Stream is my personal gold standard but others are equally good and some are easier to use. I have big, simple old-fashioned ones, and itty-bitty ones with tiny buttons. I have players with screens and players without. I always tell the student that they need to decide if they want more features or easier to use. I?m a big fan of Learning Ally for audio learners, but when they are confused about how to use it on their iDEVICE or computer, I like to loan them a hardware player right away so they can get to work studying with their book and use the iDEVICE or computer for taking notes or homework. Even though I?m a power user, I often find it easiest to practice the thing I?m learning on my PC or take notes on my laptop while I use a hardware Daisy player to read the book. Though I am quite capable of using a software player, I find switching tasks between my notes, and/or my project and the player is an extra level of complexity I have no interest in dealing with. --Debee From: athen-list On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Hacking Learning Ally book Thanks so much for your response and others?. I will look into getting a DAISY player asap. She doesn?t like carrying her laptop with her. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 10:25 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Hacking Learning Ally book It?s not possible to hack the audio, but if you have a Daisy player you should be able to copy it on to the player and loan that to the student. Most modern Daisy players play Learning ally or can be certified to play the books. I personally find it difficult to deal with large books from Learning Ally on an iDEVICE anyway; a dedicated Daisy player works much, much better. If the student is a visually or physically disabled U.S. citizen they can obtain the NLS Daisy player free from their regional library and that plays Learning ally books just fine. If your student is LD it?s a good idea for your DSS department to have loaner players available for just this type of situation. Or the student can use Learning ally link on a Mac or PC. --Debee From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 3:56 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Hacking Learning Ally book I think y?all know this one. I have a gigantic anthology on Learning Ally that my blind student has to read from. She ?loves? Learning Ally but this particular book reads very slowly on her iPad. It is quite large and she is only required to read specific chapters. Is there anyway to hack into the audio and choose certain chapters? Its listed as ?Classic Audio? rather than Daisy or anything I can decipher. I?ve never had to do this. Suggestions? Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15239 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Tue Sep 18 11:51:14 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Tue Sep 18 11:51:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: <031601d44f5c$d788a870$8699f950$@pubcom.com> References: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> <031601d44f5c$d788a870$8699f950$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: Thanks for this explanation. So I'm starting to get people from around campus asking me for advice on creating accessible forms and documents, since we have just launched an entire web site redesign campaign. Would the best idea for us is to push for the purchase of a site license of Adobe Acrobat Pro so that departments can create accessible PDF documents and forms? There was some talk about this once before but it was shelved. I think there are good reasons to justify this now. On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 10:45 AM wrote: > Abbyy FineReader has many of the same features that are in Acrobat Pro: > > ?OCR of scanned images and text. > > ?Edit PDFs. > > ?Convert PDFs to other file formats, such as Word. > > ?Commenting and review tasks. > > > > It has nothing in common with Adobe InDesign, which is a graphic design > page layout program. InDesign is used to create visually rich documents > such as books, newspapers, magazines, brochures, catalogs, billboards, > business cards, and just about every other type of document on the planet. > > > > It is used to create the source document from which PDFs are exported. It > does not have any OCR capabilities whatsoever, nor capabilities to edit or > modify PDFs. > > > > InDesign is also used to create PDFs for press and print, which are a > different type of PDF than those we read on a computer screen. These > press-quality PDFs are made to the exacting technical requirements of the > printing industry and have no accessibility. > > > > InDesign can also create accessible PDFs, as well as accessible EPUBs. > > > > And as Karen McCall stated earlier, it definitely is not an accessible > application itself. > > > > ?Bevi Chagnon > > > > *? ? ?* > > Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO *|* Bevi@PubCom.com > > *? ? ?* > > *PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing* > > consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services > > *Upcoming classes* at www.PubCom.com/*classes* > > > *? ? ?* > > *Latest* blog-newsletter > > ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:41 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word > > > > My understanding is that Abbyy Finereader is a competing product to Adobe > Pro/InDesign. Can one not create a form from a scanned image using Adobe? > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:59 PM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > > You would use ABBYY FineReader if you are starting the form from a scanned > image. > > > > Bevi is correct about current versions of InDesign as a tool for > accessible forms, however, desktop publishing authoring tools aren't > accessible either. You are working with frames, threading frames so that > content flows and AT doesn't support the content in the frames or the > placement and sizing of frames. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: > > OK so you're saying that one would have to do this directly using Adobe > Acrobat Pro or Abbyy FineReader? > > I am assuming that this process would not be accessible since it involves > editing a PDF. > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > > As far as I know, you have to add the form controls in the PDF document. > Neither the old ActiveX or the newer Content Controls are converted as form > controls in a PDF document. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: > > Hello: > > > > I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the > developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create > these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable > only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is > it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone > please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this > but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. 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URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Tue Sep 18 12:48:17 2018 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Tue Sep 18 12:48:34 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: References: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> <031601d44f5c$d788a870$8699f950$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2BA792@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> I would suggest considering HTML forms. They are more accessible and easier to deal with. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:51 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word Thanks for this explanation. So I'm starting to get people from around campus asking me for advice on creating accessible forms and documents, since we have just launched an entire web site redesign campaign. Would the best idea for us is to push for the purchase of a site license of Adobe Acrobat Pro so that departments can create accessible PDF documents and forms? There was some talk about this once before but it was shelved. I think there are good reasons to justify this now. On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 10:45 AM > wrote: Abbyy FineReader has many of the same features that are in Acrobat Pro: ?OCR of scanned images and text. ?Edit PDFs. ?Convert PDFs to other file formats, such as Word. ?Commenting and review tasks. It has nothing in common with Adobe InDesign, which is a graphic design page layout program. InDesign is used to create visually rich documents such as books, newspapers, magazines, brochures, catalogs, billboards, business cards, and just about every other type of document on the planet. It is used to create the source document from which PDFs are exported. It does not have any OCR capabilities whatsoever, nor capabilities to edit or modify PDFs. InDesign is also used to create PDFs for press and print, which are a different type of PDF than those we read on a computer screen. These press-quality PDFs are made to the exacting technical requirements of the printing industry and have no accessibility. InDesign can also create accessible PDFs, as well as accessible EPUBs. And as Karen McCall stated earlier, it definitely is not an accessible application itself. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:41 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word My understanding is that Abbyy Finereader is a competing product to Adobe Pro/InDesign. Can one not create a form from a scanned image using Adobe? On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:59 PM Karlen Communications > wrote: You would use ABBYY FineReader if you are starting the form from a scanned image. Bevi is correct about current versions of InDesign as a tool for accessible forms, however, desktop publishing authoring tools aren't accessible either. You are working with frames, threading frames so that content flows and AT doesn't support the content in the frames or the placement and sizing of frames. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: OK so you're saying that one would have to do this directly using Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy FineReader? I am assuming that this process would not be accessible since it involves editing a PDF. On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Karlen Communications > wrote: As far as I know, you have to add the form controls in the PDF document. Neither the old ActiveX or the newer Content Controls are converted as form controls in a PDF document. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: Hello: I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From kelkind at bhcc.mass.edu Tue Sep 18 12:49:58 2018 From: kelkind at bhcc.mass.edu (Kenneth Elkind) Date: Tue Sep 18 12:51:03 2018 Subject: [Athen] how do you receive accessible copies of self published books? Message-ID: <504CD6461379E346B2BB6493EFED9717016BC68BDE@MB-02.bhcc.dom> I have received two requests for alternative content of books that were published by the author through CreateSpace.com a printing company owned by Amazon. The printing company notified me that they would contact the author for my request of a PDF version of the book. The printing company was quite quick to verify the do not guarantee that the author will respond. Who has had experience in this resolving this issue? Who is responsible for providing mandate of accessible content the printing company or the author? Kenneth Elkind Disability Support Services Bunker Hill Community College 250 Rutherford Ave Charletown,MA 02129 617-228-2234 kelkind@bhcc.mass.edu Disability Support Services Website http://www.bhcc.edu/disabilitysupportservices/ Test Request Form https://bunkerhillcc.us2.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_42hfNlyGZzgC5fv contain privileged, non-public or other confidential information. If you have received it in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and immediately delete the message and any attachments without copying or disclosing the contents. Thank you. From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Tue Sep 18 13:00:52 2018 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Tue Sep 18 13:01:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] how do you receive accessible copies of self published books? In-Reply-To: <504CD6461379E346B2BB6493EFED9717016BC68BDE@MB-02.bhcc.dom> References: <504CD6461379E346B2BB6493EFED9717016BC68BDE@MB-02.bhcc.dom> Message-ID: Kenneth, the short answer is WE ARE RESPONSIBLE. Publishers are not required by law to provide us with files. Neither are authors. It's great when they do, and I greatly appreciate it when they do, but the fact is, they don't have to and can deny us for whatever reason they choose. The good news is, though, that we can still create accessible content for our students without legal repercussions. In the case of a book like this, I usually ask the student to provide their copy for scanning, and we produce the files that way. We spiral-bind the scanned book and return it to the student. Of course, this is the very last resort - we hate cutting student books. I often try to see if the professor has a copy we can use for this purpose before I try to snag the student's copy. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 -----Original Message----- From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kenneth Elkind Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:50 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] how do you receive accessible copies of self published books? I have received two requests for alternative content of books that were published by the author through CreateSpace.com a printing company owned by Amazon. The printing company notified me that they would contact the author for my request of a PDF version of the book. The printing company was quite quick to verify the do not guarantee that the author will respond. Who has had experience in this resolving this issue? Who is responsible for providing mandate of accessible content the printing company or the author? Kenneth Elkind Disability Support Services Bunker Hill Community College 250 Rutherford Ave Charletown,MA 02129 617-228-2234 kelkind@bhcc.mass.edu Disability Support Services Website http://www.bhcc.edu/disabilitysupportservices/ Test Request Form https://bunkerhillcc.us2.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_42hfNlyGZzgC5fv contain privileged, non-public or other confidential information. If you have received it in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and immediately delete the message and any attachments without copying or disclosing the contents. Thank you. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Tue Sep 18 13:34:33 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Tue Sep 18 13:35:15 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2BA792@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> <031601d44f5c$d788a870$8699f950$@pubcom.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2BA792@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: I would suggest that, too, but there are many instances where someone needs to fill out the form then print it out to be signed. Or the form is intended to be printed out initially and filled out by hand for most people. I don't think that's viable in this case. How do form fields appear on a printed out form? On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 3:56 PM Robert Beach wrote: > I would suggest considering HTML forms. They are more accessible and > easier to deal with. > > > > > > Robert Lee Beach > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Kansas City Kansas Community College > > 7250 State Avenue > > Kansas City, KS 66112 > > Phone: 913-288-7671 > > Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:51 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word > > > > Thanks for this explanation. So I'm starting to get people from around > campus asking me for advice on creating accessible forms and documents, > since we have just launched an entire web site redesign campaign. Would > the best idea for us is to push for the purchase of a site license of Adobe > Acrobat Pro so that departments can create accessible PDF documents and > forms? There was some talk about this once before but it was shelved. I > think there are good reasons to justify this now. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 10:45 AM wrote: > > Abbyy FineReader has many of the same features that are in Acrobat Pro: > > ?OCR of scanned images and text. > > ?Edit PDFs. > > ?Convert PDFs to other file formats, such as Word. > > ?Commenting and review tasks. > > > > It has nothing in common with Adobe InDesign, which is a graphic design > page layout program. InDesign is used to create visually rich documents > such as books, newspapers, magazines, brochures, catalogs, billboards, > business cards, and just about every other type of document on the planet. > > > > It is used to create the source document from which PDFs are exported. It > does not have any OCR capabilities whatsoever, nor capabilities to edit or > modify PDFs. > > > > InDesign is also used to create PDFs for press and print, which are a > different type of PDF than those we read on a computer screen. These > press-quality PDFs are made to the exacting technical requirements of the > printing industry and have no accessibility. > > > > InDesign can also create accessible PDFs, as well as accessible EPUBs. > > > > And as Karen McCall stated earlier, it definitely is not an accessible > application itself. > > > > ?Bevi Chagnon > > > > *? ? ?* > > Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO *|* Bevi@PubCom.com > > *? ? ?* > > *PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing* > > consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services > > *Upcoming classes* at www.PubCom.com/*classes* > > > *? ? ?* > > *Latest* blog-newsletter > > ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:41 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word > > > > My understanding is that Abbyy Finereader is a competing product to Adobe > Pro/InDesign. Can one not create a form from a scanned image using Adobe? > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:59 PM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > > You would use ABBYY FineReader if you are starting the form from a scanned > image. > > > > Bevi is correct about current versions of InDesign as a tool for > accessible forms, however, desktop publishing authoring tools aren't > accessible either. You are working with frames, threading frames so that > content flows and AT doesn't support the content in the frames or the > placement and sizing of frames. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: > > OK so you're saying that one would have to do this directly using Adobe > Acrobat Pro or Abbyy FineReader? > > I am assuming that this process would not be accessible since it involves > editing a PDF. > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > > As far as I know, you have to add the form controls in the PDF document. > Neither the old ActiveX or the newer Content Controls are converted as form > controls in a PDF document. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: > > Hello: > > > > I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the > developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create > these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable > only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is > it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone > please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this > but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Tue Sep 18 14:32:55 2018 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com) Date: Tue Sep 18 14:33:12 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2BA792@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> <031601d44f5c$d788a870$8699f950$@pubcom.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2BA792@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <063201d44f97$2a0da3e0$7e28eba0$@pubcom.com> ? I would suggest considering HTML forms. They are more accessible and easier to deal with. ? Disagree with the above statement. If you think PDF forms are not as accessible as HTML ones, then you haven?t experienced a well-made PDF form. I?m on break while teaching an accessible PDF forms class. Our test forms from InDesign are nearly perfect and require minimal tweaking in Acrobat. Tags are perfect. Both reading orders are perfect. What?s more, you can edit the source InDesign document and re-export it and still maintain the accessibility. It doesn?t break. Contact me off-list if you?d like to see a sample. ?Bevi Chagnon bevi@pubcom.com ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word I would suggest considering HTML forms. They are more accessible and easier to deal with. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:51 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word Thanks for this explanation. So I'm starting to get people from around campus asking me for advice on creating accessible forms and documents, since we have just launched an entire web site redesign campaign. Would the best idea for us is to push for the purchase of a site license of Adobe Acrobat Pro so that departments can create accessible PDF documents and forms? There was some talk about this once before but it was shelved. I think there are good reasons to justify this now. On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 10:45 AM > wrote: Abbyy FineReader has many of the same features that are in Acrobat Pro: ?OCR of scanned images and text. ?Edit PDFs. ?Convert PDFs to other file formats, such as Word. ?Commenting and review tasks. It has nothing in common with Adobe InDesign, which is a graphic design page layout program. InDesign is used to create visually rich documents such as books, newspapers, magazines, brochures, catalogs, billboards, business cards, and just about every other type of document on the planet. It is used to create the source document from which PDFs are exported. It does not have any OCR capabilities whatsoever, nor capabilities to edit or modify PDFs. InDesign is also used to create PDFs for press and print, which are a different type of PDF than those we read on a computer screen. These press-quality PDFs are made to the exacting technical requirements of the printing industry and have no accessibility. InDesign can also create accessible PDFs, as well as accessible EPUBs. And as Karen McCall stated earlier, it definitely is not an accessible application itself. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:41 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word My understanding is that Abbyy Finereader is a competing product to Adobe Pro/InDesign. Can one not create a form from a scanned image using Adobe? On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:59 PM Karlen Communications > wrote: You would use ABBYY FineReader if you are starting the form from a scanned image. Bevi is correct about current versions of InDesign as a tool for accessible forms, however, desktop publishing authoring tools aren't accessible either. You are working with frames, threading frames so that content flows and AT doesn't support the content in the frames or the placement and sizing of frames. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: OK so you're saying that one would have to do this directly using Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy FineReader? I am assuming that this process would not be accessible since it involves editing a PDF. On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Karlen Communications > wrote: As far as I know, you have to add the form controls in the PDF document. Neither the old ActiveX or the newer Content Controls are converted as form controls in a PDF document. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: Hello: I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Tue Sep 18 15:39:17 2018 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com) Date: Tue Sep 18 15:40:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: References: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> <031601d44f5c$d788a870$8699f950$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: <068b01d44fa0$6f8e85c0$4eab9140$@pubcom.com> Learning how to design and create an accessible form is not for everyone. It?s an upper-level skill, especially when the form is detailed, complex, or must fit certain constraints such as one page. I encourage our clients to allow one or two people to become the form experts who get the advanced training in accessible forms (all types). ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 2:51 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word Thanks for this explanation. So I'm starting to get people from around campus asking me for advice on creating accessible forms and documents, since we have just launched an entire web site redesign campaign. Would the best idea for us is to push for the purchase of a site license of Adobe Acrobat Pro so that departments can create accessible PDF documents and forms? There was some talk about this once before but it was shelved. I think there are good reasons to justify this now. On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 10:45 AM > wrote: Abbyy FineReader has many of the same features that are in Acrobat Pro: ?OCR of scanned images and text. ?Edit PDFs. ?Convert PDFs to other file formats, such as Word. ?Commenting and review tasks. It has nothing in common with Adobe InDesign, which is a graphic design page layout program. InDesign is used to create visually rich documents such as books, newspapers, magazines, brochures, catalogs, billboards, business cards, and just about every other type of document on the planet. It is used to create the source document from which PDFs are exported. It does not have any OCR capabilities whatsoever, nor capabilities to edit or modify PDFs. InDesign is also used to create PDFs for press and print, which are a different type of PDF than those we read on a computer screen. These press-quality PDFs are made to the exacting technical requirements of the printing industry and have no accessibility. InDesign can also create accessible PDFs, as well as accessible EPUBs. And as Karen McCall stated earlier, it definitely is not an accessible application itself. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:41 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word My understanding is that Abbyy Finereader is a competing product to Adobe Pro/InDesign. Can one not create a form from a scanned image using Adobe? On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:59 PM Karlen Communications > wrote: You would use ABBYY FineReader if you are starting the form from a scanned image. Bevi is correct about current versions of InDesign as a tool for accessible forms, however, desktop publishing authoring tools aren't accessible either. You are working with frames, threading frames so that content flows and AT doesn't support the content in the frames or the placement and sizing of frames. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: OK so you're saying that one would have to do this directly using Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy FineReader? I am assuming that this process would not be accessible since it involves editing a PDF. On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Karlen Communications > wrote: As far as I know, you have to add the form controls in the PDF document. Neither the old ActiveX or the newer Content Controls are converted as form controls in a PDF document. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: Hello: I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Wed Sep 19 05:45:36 2018 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Wed Sep 19 06:11:29 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: <063201d44f97$2a0da3e0$7e28eba0$@pubcom.com> References: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> <031601d44f5c$d788a870$8699f950$@pubcom.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2BA792@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> <063201d44f97$2a0da3e0$7e28eba0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: <000001d45016$aa33a180$fe9ae480$@karlencommunications.com> >From the perspective of someone who uses adaptive technology, there are a couple of issues to think about when thinking of implementing HTML based forms. 1. People may need time to fill in the form, this means going away from the form for minutes or hours or days and then being able to come back to the form and finish filling it out without having to add all the previous information again. PDF makes this easier to do. 2. I archive forms that I?ve submitted in case I need to submit them again/they get lost and for my own archival purposes, to keep a record of the fact that I did fill in the form especially those that are dated and signed. PDF makes this process easier to do. 3. For those who don?t archive forms, there may be a need to print and archive a form for personal records. The need to fill in forms incrementally, to archive copies and to print out something that looks logical on paper need to be considered when creating HTML forms. I find that an accessible PDF form just does this better?and it is easier to work with from an end-user perspective. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 5:33 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word ? I would suggest considering HTML forms. They are more accessible and easier to deal with. ? Disagree with the above statement. If you think PDF forms are not as accessible as HTML ones, then you haven?t experienced a well-made PDF form. I?m on break while teaching an accessible PDF forms class. Our test forms from InDesign are nearly perfect and require minimal tweaking in Acrobat. Tags are perfect. Both reading orders are perfect. What?s more, you can edit the source InDesign document and re-export it and still maintain the accessibility. It doesn?t break. Contact me off-list if you?d like to see a sample. ?Bevi Chagnon bevi@pubcom.com ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:48 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word I would suggest considering HTML forms. They are more accessible and easier to deal with. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 1:51 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word Thanks for this explanation. So I'm starting to get people from around campus asking me for advice on creating accessible forms and documents, since we have just launched an entire web site redesign campaign. Would the best idea for us is to push for the purchase of a site license of Adobe Acrobat Pro so that departments can create accessible PDF documents and forms? There was some talk about this once before but it was shelved. I think there are good reasons to justify this now. On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 10:45 AM > wrote: Abbyy FineReader has many of the same features that are in Acrobat Pro: ?OCR of scanned images and text. ?Edit PDFs. ?Convert PDFs to other file formats, such as Word. ?Commenting and review tasks. It has nothing in common with Adobe InDesign, which is a graphic design page layout program. InDesign is used to create visually rich documents such as books, newspapers, magazines, brochures, catalogs, billboards, business cards, and just about every other type of document on the planet. It is used to create the source document from which PDFs are exported. It does not have any OCR capabilities whatsoever, nor capabilities to edit or modify PDFs. InDesign is also used to create PDFs for press and print, which are a different type of PDF than those we read on a computer screen. These press-quality PDFs are made to the exacting technical requirements of the printing industry and have no accessibility. InDesign can also create accessible PDFs, as well as accessible EPUBs. And as Karen McCall stated earlier, it definitely is not an accessible application itself. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:41 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word My understanding is that Abbyy Finereader is a competing product to Adobe Pro/InDesign. Can one not create a form from a scanned image using Adobe? On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:59 PM Karlen Communications > wrote: You would use ABBYY FineReader if you are starting the form from a scanned image. Bevi is correct about current versions of InDesign as a tool for accessible forms, however, desktop publishing authoring tools aren't accessible either. You are working with frames, threading frames so that content flows and AT doesn't support the content in the frames or the placement and sizing of frames. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: OK so you're saying that one would have to do this directly using Adobe Acrobat Pro or Abbyy FineReader? I am assuming that this process would not be accessible since it involves editing a PDF. On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Karlen Communications > wrote: As far as I know, you have to add the form controls in the PDF document. Neither the old ActiveX or the newer Content Controls are converted as form controls in a PDF document. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: Hello: I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Wed Sep 19 06:11:37 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Wed Sep 19 06:12:03 2018 Subject: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word In-Reply-To: <068b01d44fa0$6f8e85c0$4eab9140$@pubcom.com> References: <000ABE29-D5EA-438B-82DE-B8711C3E5F29@karlencommunications.com> <031601d44f5c$d788a870$8699f950$@pubcom.com> <068b01d44fa0$6f8e85c0$4eab9140$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: I respect that advice, but is it appropriate to have two experts for an entire campus? What do large organizations do who have multiple departments who are designing forms? I guess until this process becomes easier, we're always just going to have inaccessible forms/unfillable forms out there, because there's no way two people are going to be able to remediate forms for an entire campus of this size. On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 6:46 PM wrote: > Learning how to design and create an accessible form is not for everyone. > It?s an upper-level skill, especially when the form is detailed, complex, > or must fit certain constraints such as one page. > > > > I encourage our clients to allow one or two people to become the form > experts who get the advanced training in accessible forms (all types). > > > > ?Bevi Chagnon > > > > *? ? ?* > > Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO *|* Bevi@PubCom.com > > *? ? ?* > > *PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing* > > consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services > > *Upcoming classes* at www.PubCom.com/*classes* > > > *? ? ?* > > *Latest* blog-newsletter > > ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 18, 2018 2:51 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word > > > > Thanks for this explanation. So I'm starting to get people from around > campus asking me for advice on creating accessible forms and documents, > since we have just launched an entire web site redesign campaign. Would > the best idea for us is to push for the purchase of a site license of Adobe > Acrobat Pro so that departments can create accessible PDF documents and > forms? There was some talk about this once before but it was shelved. I > think there are good reasons to justify this now. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 10:45 AM wrote: > > Abbyy FineReader has many of the same features that are in Acrobat Pro: > > ?OCR of scanned images and text. > > ?Edit PDFs. > > ?Convert PDFs to other file formats, such as Word. > > ?Commenting and review tasks. > > > > It has nothing in common with Adobe InDesign, which is a graphic design > page layout program. InDesign is used to create visually rich documents > such as books, newspapers, magazines, brochures, catalogs, billboards, > business cards, and just about every other type of document on the planet. > > > > It is used to create the source document from which PDFs are exported. It > does not have any OCR capabilities whatsoever, nor capabilities to edit or > modify PDFs. > > > > InDesign is also used to create PDFs for press and print, which are a > different type of PDF than those we read on a computer screen. These > press-quality PDFs are made to the exacting technical requirements of the > printing industry and have no accessibility. > > > > InDesign can also create accessible PDFs, as well as accessible EPUBs. > > > > And as Karen McCall stated earlier, it definitely is not an accessible > application itself. > > > > ?Bevi Chagnon > > > > *? ? ?* > > Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO *|* Bevi@PubCom.com > > *? ? ?* > > *PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing* > > consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services > > *Upcoming classes* at www.PubCom.com/*classes* > > > *? ? ?* > > *Latest* blog-newsletter > > ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 18, 2018 8:41 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Creating Accessible PDF Forms in Word > > > > My understanding is that Abbyy Finereader is a competing product to Adobe > Pro/InDesign. Can one not create a form from a scanned image using Adobe? > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:59 PM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > > You would use ABBYY FineReader if you are starting the form from a scanned > image. > > > > Bevi is correct about current versions of InDesign as a tool for > accessible forms, however, desktop publishing authoring tools aren't > accessible either. You are working with frames, threading frames so that > content flows and AT doesn't support the content in the frames or the > placement and sizing of frames. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: > > OK so you're saying that one would have to do this directly using Adobe > Acrobat Pro or Abbyy FineReader? > > I am assuming that this process would not be accessible since it involves > editing a PDF. > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 5:09 PM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > > As far as I know, you have to add the form controls in the PDF document. > Neither the old ActiveX or the newer Content Controls are converted as form > controls in a PDF document. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: > > Hello: > > > > I am able to create forms with fields and other controls by using the > developer tab, which I had to enable in Word options. I am able to create > these forms then use the restrict editing feature to make them fillable > only. When I go to save as PDF, however, the fields are not retained. Is > it possible to create fillable PDF forms in Word and, if so, could someone > please explain? I understand that Adobe Pro could also be used to do this > but if we can do it from Word this would be better. Thanks! > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. 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Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15239 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 11:37:30 2018 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Thu Sep 20 11:38:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Community College and Career Training Grant Message-ID: Hi ATHEN-ites, Any of you community colleges out there receiving grant monies from the CCCATG? (Community College and Career Training Grant) Please contact me off list. Thanks! Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . Virus-free. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davew at brandeis.edu Thu Sep 20 11:40:22 2018 From: davew at brandeis.edu (David Wisniewski) Date: Thu Sep 20 11:41:51 2018 Subject: [Athen] stolen chairs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BB096A3-E7DB-4141-A272-04DADA58C6DF@brandeis.edu> Have you considered a Tile (or similar)? The downside is the expense is greater than RFID and battery life (one year) is an issue, but the upside is broadcast location via WiFi and Bluetooth. Depending on cost of chairs it might be worth pursuing (and you?d likely want to modify the chair to have the Tile embedded inside so it is neither noticeable nor easily removable. depending on chair design that might not be a problem to put under the underside cover). Interested to hear solutions actually practiced ?in the wild' > On Sep 20, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Leyna Bencomo wrote: > > We are at our wits end with having our accommodation chairs getting moved and stolen from classrooms where they are needed. We are seriously considering getting an RFID system put in place and tagging each chair. If anyone is doing this, could you please reach out to me? Thank you so much. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Registered students may schedule on my online calendar or by email If you need urgent assistance with accommodations and I am not available, you can visit drop-in in person, at 612-626-1333 or drc@umn.edu: - 9-12 and 1-4 Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and - 1-4 on Tuesday *Office:* McNamara Alumni Center, Suite 180 200 Oak Street SE, Minneapolis, 55455 *This message is confidential and should only be read by its intended recipient. If it is not addressed to you, please do not read it, delete, and inform the sender.* On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Susan Kelmer wrote: > I think some sort of electronic tagging system may be the way to go. > People just don?t think. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Leyna Bencomo > *Sent:* Thursday, September 20, 2018 11:27 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] stolen chairs > > > > We are at our wits end with having our accommodation chairs getting moved > and stolen from classrooms where they are needed. We are seriously > considering getting an RFID system put in place and tagging each chair. If > anyone is doing this, could you please reach out to me? Thank you so > much. > > > > Leyna Bencomo > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Office of Information Technology > > *University of Colorado Colorado Springs* > > 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 > > Colorado Springs, CO 80918 > > (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu > > http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ > > [image: sig logo small] > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a frustrating issue for student and for us, and it is helpful to know that other campuses are experiencing similar issues. Some additional labeling (quarter sheet, laminated) with specifically where a table/chair belongs certainly has helped quite a bit, but not solved the issues. Chairs definitely get moved the most, but tables do get moved as well. If anyone has tried Tiles, RFID, or other tech for this, please share. There used to be some products out there that had a transmitter/receiver pair (e.g. for laptops) and if the two were separated by a designated distance (e.g. 20ft), then the they would start to beep. One could go on the table and the other on the chair. I've found one product, but it looks like it doesn't work reliably. Todd Schwanke UW-Madison -----Original Message----- From: athen-list On Behalf Of Jiatyan Chen Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 4:04 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] stolen chairs > On 2018 Sep 20, at 10:26, Leyna Bencomo wrote: > > accommodation chairs getting moved and stolen from classrooms Showing my ignorance. Curious. What are these chairs? Do they look or marked as special? As a regular student/staff, would I know that if I move them, I need to return them, and why? -- Jiatyan Chen _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From iza.bartosiewicz at rmit.edu.au Thu Sep 20 16:36:09 2018 From: iza.bartosiewicz at rmit.edu.au (Iza Bartosiewicz) Date: Thu Sep 20 16:37:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Complex images, alternative text, and WCAG 2.0 (AA) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark, I can recommend these articles by Dey Alexander, 4 Syllables: Long descriptions for images ? part 1 In this article, we look at the role of long descriptions for images, why you need them, and how to implement them. Long descriptions for images ? part 2 Long descriptions are text alternatives for complex or detailed images. In this article we look at how to write them by considering some examples that include charts and graphs, maps and plans, infographics, diagrams and technical drawings. Writing text alternatives for maps When you use images of maps on your website you need to provide text alternatives. Text alternatives help people access your content when they cannot see or use images. This article discusses how to write text alternatives for simple and more complex maps and provides some examples. cheers Iza *Iza Bartosiewicz | Web Coordinator* Internet Services, Library and Student Success Building 94, 23 Cardigan Street Carlton VIC 3053 Tel. +61 3 9925 3103 iza.bartosiewicz@rmit.edu.au www.rmit.edu.au/ @Mr0wka18 www.linkedin.com/in/izabartosiewicz *RMIT University acknowledges the people of the Woi wurrung and Boon wurrung language groups of the eastern Kulin Nations on whose unceded lands we conduct the business of the University. RMIT University respectfully acknowledges their Ancestors and Elders, past and present.* *RMIT also acknowledges the Traditional Custodians and their Ancestors of the lands and waters across Australia where we conduct our business.* Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 23:40:26 +0000 > From: Mark Weiler > To: "athen-list@u.washington.edu" > Subject: [Athen] Complex images, alternative text, and WCAG 2.0 (AA) > Message-ID: <475757c3f26f40ffa1291ea72e51e3e8@ITSMBX03.AD.WLU.CA> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Does anyone have some examples of techniques for including complex images > (e.g., floor plans, diagram) into web pages in a manner that meets WCAG 2.0 > (AA) success criteria? I'm familiar with the example techniques described > for meeting success criteria 1.1.1 (situation B) in the How to Meet WCAG 2. > (Quick Reference)< > https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/quickref/#text-alternatives > >. > I'm familiar with the Diagram Center > > but am hoping to have a few examples to study. > > Best wishes, > > Mark > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20180910/1e5431b6/attachment-0001.html > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mweiler at wlu.ca Thu Sep 20 17:54:28 2018 From: mweiler at wlu.ca (Mark Weiler) Date: Thu Sep 20 17:55:44 2018 Subject: [Athen] Complex images, alternative text, and WCAG 2.0 (AA) In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <1537491267887.94438@wlu.ca> Hi Iza, Really appreciate the resources. Good tips and descriptions. I've added them to a design presentation The best examples of techniques living on a real page that I've seen are from Canada: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2016001/article/14631-eng.htm (see Chart 1, chart 2, etc.). Can an Australia government page top it? (Friendly challenge of goalball :-) Mark (team Canada ;-) Mark Weiler, WAS, MLIS, PhD Web & User Experience Librarian | Psychology Librarian Laurier Library Office: Waterloo campus Library, room 104 519.884.0710 x4296 mweiler@wlu.ca [cid:image001.png@01CF7E4C.6BD81010] ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Iza Bartosiewicz Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 7:36 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Complex images, alternative text, and WCAG 2.0 (AA) Hi Mark, I can recommend these articles by Dey Alexander, 4 Syllables: Long descriptions for images - part 1 In this article, we look at the role of long descriptions for images, why you need them, and how to implement them. Long descriptions for images - part 2 Long descriptions are text alternatives for complex or detailed images. In this article we look at how to write them by considering some examples that include charts and graphs, maps and plans, infographics, diagrams and technical drawings. Writing text alternatives for maps When you use images of maps on your website you need to provide text alternatives. Text alternatives help people access your content when they cannot see or use images. This article discusses how to write text alternatives for simple and more complex maps and provides some examples. cheers Iza Iza Bartosiewicz | Web Coordinator Internet Services, Library and Student Success Building 94, 23 Cardigan Street Carlton VIC 3053 Tel. +61 3 9925 3103 iza.bartosiewicz@rmit.edu.au www.rmit.edu.au/ @Mr0wka18 www.linkedin.com/in/izabartosiewicz RMIT University acknowledges the people of the Woi wurrung and Boon wurrung language groups of the eastern Kulin Nations on whose unceded lands we conduct the business of the University. RMIT University respectfully acknowledges their Ancestors and Elders, past and present. RMIT also acknowledges the Traditional Custodians and their Ancestors of the lands and waters across Australia where we conduct our business. Message: 4 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 23:40:26 +0000 From: Mark Weiler > To: "athen-list@u.washington.edu" > Subject: [Athen] Complex images, alternative text, and WCAG 2.0 (AA) Message-ID: <475757c3f26f40ffa1291ea72e51e3e8@ITSMBX03.AD.WLU.CA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone have some examples of techniques for including complex images (e.g., floor plans, diagram) into web pages in a manner that meets WCAG 2.0 (AA) success criteria? I'm familiar with the example techniques described for meeting success criteria 1.1.1 (situation B) in the How to Meet WCAG 2. (Quick Reference). I'm familiar with the Diagram Center but am hoping to have a few examples to study. Best wishes, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Fri Sep 21 07:46:53 2018 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Fri Sep 21 07:47:04 2018 Subject: [Athen] stolen chairs In-Reply-To: <91130FB3-A6C3-4892-A27F-664F66910355@stanford.edu> References: <91130FB3-A6C3-4892-A27F-664F66910355@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Jiatyan Chen, Chairs are reserved for students with disabilities as accommodations for their physical needs. If you want specifics, please put your email address and/or other contact information or write me off list. Thank you. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ -----Original Message----- From: athen-list On Behalf Of Jiatyan Chen Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 3:04 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] stolen chairs > On 2018 Sep 20, at 10:26, Leyna Bencomo wrote: > > accommodation chairs getting moved and stolen from classrooms Showing my ignorance. Curious. What are these chairs? Do they look or marked as special? As a regular student/staff, would I know that if I move them, I need to return them, and why? -- Jiatyan Chen _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman12.u.washington.edu%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fathen-list&data=02%7C01%7Clbencomo%40uccs.edu%7C393a4b12178d46fe140208d61f3d068b%7C529343fae8c8419fab2ea70c10038810%7C1%7C0%7C636730744301972854&sdata=Ni3rYBWGM%2B6pBt80McK%2BS76UhCgO4OyIr0TvjB%2FKlxM%3D&reserved=0 From lbencomo at uccs.edu Fri Sep 21 07:49:17 2018 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Fri Sep 21 07:49:53 2018 Subject: [Athen] stolen chairs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had no idea people were actually using locks! I will look into tiles or RFIDs. I guess I assumed wrongly they were more prevalently used in this group. I think someone talked about using them at Accessing Higher Ground a couple of years back. I?ll have to research my notes. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Jay Wilson Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] stolen chairs If you do use the bike chain, please be careful about how you do it to not get in the way for transfers (remembering people transfer in different ways from different sides and angles) or from removing the chair from the table to use a wheelchair at the table. Jay Wilson, M.S.W Senior Access Consultant Disability Resource Center - Student Access UMN - Twin Cities Pronouns: He/him/his [https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1MmOgmewB86FM03iTQVFKLd96k8W9aFI-&revid=0BykXpZHARD12ZURYT1NScWpqZ2lMalFTSnJnaFlCcmRMV0M4PQ] The DRC has a new Facebook page! Registered students may schedule on my online calendar or by email If you need urgent assistance with accommodations and I am not available, you can visit drop-in in person, at 612-626-1333 or drc@umn.edu: - 9-12 and 1-4 Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and - 1-4 on Tuesday Office: McNamara Alumni Center, Suite 180 200 Oak Street SE, Minneapolis, 55455 This message is confidential and should only be read by its intended recipient. If it is not addressed to you, please do not read it, delete, and inform the sender. On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: I think some sort of electronic tagging system may be the way to go. People just don?t think. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 11:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] stolen chairs We are at our wits end with having our accommodation chairs getting moved and stolen from classrooms where they are needed. We are seriously considering getting an RFID system put in place and tagging each chair. If anyone is doing this, could you please reach out to me? Thank you so much. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thompson Director, Faculty Resource Center Office of Information Technology University of Alabama On Sep 21, 2018, at 9:53 AM, Leyna Bencomo > wrote: I had no idea people were actually using locks! I will look into tiles or RFIDs. I guess I assumed wrongly they were more prevalently used in this group. I think someone talked about using them at Accessing Higher Ground a couple of years back. I?ll have to research my notes. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Jay Wilson Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 1:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] stolen chairs If you do use the bike chain, please be careful about how you do it to not get in the way for transfers (remembering people transfer in different ways from different sides and angles) or from removing the chair from the table to use a wheelchair at the table. Jay Wilson, M.S.W Senior Access Consultant Disability Resource Center - Student Access UMN - Twin Cities Pronouns: He/him/his [https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1MmOgmewB86FM03iTQVFKLd96k8W9aFI-&revid=0BykXpZHARD12ZURYT1NScWpqZ2lMalFTSnJnaFlCcmRMV0M4PQ] The DRC has a new Facebook page! Registered students may schedule on my online calendar or by email If you need urgent assistance with accommodations and I am not available, you can visit drop-in in person, at 612-626-1333 or drc@umn.edu: - 9-12 and 1-4 Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, and - 1-4 on Tuesday Office: McNamara Alumni Center, Suite 180 200 Oak Street SE, Minneapolis, 55455 This message is confidential and should only be read by its intended recipient. If it is not addressed to you, please do not read it, delete, and inform the sender. On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: I think some sort of electronic tagging system may be the way to go. People just don?t think. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 11:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] stolen chairs We are at our wits end with having our accommodation chairs getting moved and stolen from classrooms where they are needed. We are seriously considering getting an RFID system put in place and tagging each chair. If anyone is doing this, could you please reach out to me? Thank you so much. 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I need a direct link. > > > > Cheers, Karen > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Doug Hayman w.edu> Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Fri Sep 21 10:24:05 2018 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Fri Sep 21 10:32:03 2018 Subject: [Athen] NVDA update link In-Reply-To: References: <001001d451ca$75bf9340$613eb9c0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <002101d451cf$e67e8b40$b37ba1c0$@karlencommunications.com> Thank you! From: athen-list On Behalf Of Doug Hayman Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 12:51 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] NVDA update link https://www.nvaccess.org/download/ and then pick No donation at this time radio button and go to the download button that will be below that on the page. On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 9:46 AM Karlen Communications > wrote: Hi: Does anyone have a direct link to download the latest version of NVDA? I can get an update dialog with my current version but if I exit NVDA, which is required, the update stops. I went to the website and found the Download page but every time I activate the Download button I?m taken to a page to donate with no option not to donate. I just want to download and update my NVDA! I need a direct link. Cheers, Karen _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Doug Hayman w.edu > Senior Computer Specialist DO-IT Program (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, Technology) UW Technology Services Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 (206) 221-4165 http://www.washington.edu/doit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Mon Sep 24 15:44:14 2018 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Mon Sep 24 15:44:44 2018 Subject: [Athen] Use Siri to improve your spelling Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF029CB47EE5@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> Something I remind students: there are studies that show if you type a word correctly you kinesthetically master it. But if you keep typing it incorrectly, you also master the incorrect spelling. I was just typing an email and couldn't remember how to spell "initiative". So I asked Siri. "Hey Siri, how do you spell initiative". I typed as she spelled. This way I don't develop the habit of typing it wrong. Spell checkers are better for catching typos IMOH; so remind students that Siri (Cortana and Alexa can do this too) can spell it correctly letting you type it right the first time. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu Tue Sep 25 06:30:38 2018 From: Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu (Kluesner, Bryon) Date: Tue Sep 25 06:31:16 2018 Subject: [Athen] Sign-up genius Message-ID: Hi all, Does anyone know about accessibility features of Sign-up Genius? I am having a hard time finding anything on their website: https://www.signupgenius.com/ Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Adjunct Professor College of Health, Education & Professional Studies [Power C] The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 103 Frist Hall 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc A member of the Division of Student Affairs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 7792 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From crobinson at ggc.edu Tue Sep 25 06:35:02 2018 From: crobinson at ggc.edu (Christine Robinson) Date: Tue Sep 25 06:35:18 2018 Subject: [Athen] Accessible design & broad benefits Message-ID: This morning I happened upon this article about the OXO Good Grips vegetable peeler. Turns out it was originally designed because the company owner's wife had arthritis, and vegetable peelers hurt her hands. It's another great example about how, when you design for inclusivity, lots of other people benefit: The untold story of the vegetable peeler that changed the world Enjoy! Christine Robinson | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence Georgia Gwinnett College | 1000 University Center Lane| Lawrenceville, GA 30043 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crobinson at ggc.edu Tue Sep 25 07:20:02 2018 From: crobinson at ggc.edu (Christine Robinson) Date: Tue Sep 25 07:20:45 2018 Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots Message-ID: Hi all - For our campus, I'm tasked with creating instructions for various elements in Office 365. Obviously, I want to make the instructions accessible - and I haven't dealt with this kind of thing before. My instructions include steps such as (for example) "In the upper left corner of the Office 365 window, click the icon for the App Launcher," followed by a screenshot with the icon circled. It seems like the alt text should not be a description of the screenshot, however. I suspect a screen reader user doesn't really care what the icon looks like. Since alt text is supposed to convey the same information that a sighted user would obtain from an image, it makes sense to me that the alt text should offer instructions on how to accomplish the same result using keyboard commands. For example, if my text instructions say, "in the upper left corner, click the icon..." perhaps the alt text for the image should say something like, "Tab to the icon for the App Launcher." ??? So my questions for you all are: 1. Is it correct that, in this case, alt text should provide instructions on how to navigate to the icon instead of a description of the image? 2. Where can I find more instructions re. using Office 365 features via keyboard commands? I've searched on the Microsoft site but haven't succeeded in finding anything. Thanks! Christine Robinson | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence Georgia Gwinnett College | 1000 University Center Lane| Lawrenceville, GA 30043 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Tue Sep 25 07:44:37 2018 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Tue Sep 25 07:44:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2C0A5E@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Alt text has a purpose which is to give the information provided by the image. I would not change this. Rather, I would add the keycommands to the general instructions since people without disabilities may wish to use them as well. Usually key commands can be more efficient than mousing everything. This is more in line with universal design. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Christine Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:20 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots Hi all - For our campus, I'm tasked with creating instructions for various elements in Office 365. Obviously, I want to make the instructions accessible - and I haven't dealt with this kind of thing before. My instructions include steps such as (for example) "In the upper left corner of the Office 365 window, click the icon for the App Launcher," followed by a screenshot with the icon circled. It seems like the alt text should not be a description of the screenshot, however. I suspect a screen reader user doesn't really care what the icon looks like. Since alt text is supposed to convey the same information that a sighted user would obtain from an image, it makes sense to me that the alt text should offer instructions on how to accomplish the same result using keyboard commands. For example, if my text instructions say, "in the upper left corner, click the icon..." perhaps the alt text for the image should say something like, "Tab to the icon for the App Launcher." ??? So my questions for you all are: 1. Is it correct that, in this case, alt text should provide instructions on how to navigate to the icon instead of a description of the image? 2. Where can I find more instructions re. using Office 365 features via keyboard commands? I've searched on the Microsoft site but haven't succeeded in finding anything. Thanks! Christine Robinson | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence Georgia Gwinnett College | 1000 University Center Lane| Lawrenceville, GA 30043 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Tue Sep 25 10:26:51 2018 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Tue Sep 25 10:27:27 2018 Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2C0A5E@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2C0A5E@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <002d01d454f4$f3132aa0$d9397fe0$@karlencommunications.com> I use the Alt Text as something supporting what my tutorials are presenting. For example, if I have the step by step instructions on how to change a font size using the Font dialog, the Alt Text for the image would be "Font dialog showing Font Size options" and I would put focus on the Font Size settings part of the dialog when doing the screen image. Sometimes I just use "Font dialog" when I've given a step-by-step overview of the Font dialog settings. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:45 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots Alt text has a purpose which is to give the information provided by the image. I would not change this. Rather, I would add the keycommands to the general instructions since people without disabilities may wish to use them as well. Usually key commands can be more efficient than mousing everything. This is more in line with universal design. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Christine Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:20 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots Hi all - For our campus, I'm tasked with creating instructions for various elements in Office 365. Obviously, I want to make the instructions accessible - and I haven't dealt with this kind of thing before. My instructions include steps such as (for example) "In the upper left corner of the Office 365 window, click the icon for the App Launcher," followed by a screenshot with the icon circled. It seems like the alt text should not be a description of the screenshot, however. I suspect a screen reader user doesn't really care what the icon looks like. Since alt text is supposed to convey the same information that a sighted user would obtain from an image, it makes sense to me that the alt text should offer instructions on how to accomplish the same result using keyboard commands. For example, if my text instructions say, "in the upper left corner, click the icon." perhaps the alt text for the image should say something like, "Tab to the icon for the App Launcher." ??? So my questions for you all are: 1. Is it correct that, in this case, alt text should provide instructions on how to navigate to the icon instead of a description of the image? 2. Where can I find more instructions re. using Office 365 features via keyboard commands? I've searched on the Microsoft site but haven't succeeded in finding anything. Thanks! 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This ensures everyone gets the information regardless of the image, sometimes it makes it so alt text is not necessary, or only needs a brief description. Data Visual Example When I have images or complex H.T.M.L. / C.S.S. visuals of graphs, I will usually say something like: This is a graph of data about something and then note that the graph information is represented in the document, being sure to note the location. Application Instruction Example For Instructions especially for applications I find it is vital to have everything in text for with proper document structure. A step by step instruction in a numbered list, with a proper description of where the items are on a dashboard is all you really need (the visuals in many cases are almost redundant). Being consistent in language and tone when referring to parts of an application is also key to communicating these kinds of instructions. Dan Schipul Web Developer The Office of Campus Technology Services Certified Web Accessibility Specialist dan.schipul@purchase.edu 914-251-6464 [Purchase College - State University of New York] [Internation Association of Accessibility Professionals - Certified Web Accessibility Specialist (WAS)] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 1:27 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots I use the Alt Text as something supporting what my tutorials are presenting. For example, if I have the step by step instructions on how to change a font size using the Font dialog, the Alt Text for the image would be "Font dialog showing Font Size options" and I would put focus on the Font Size settings part of the dialog when doing the screen image. Sometimes I just use "Font dialog" when I've given a step-by-step overview of the Font dialog settings. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:45 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots Alt text has a purpose which is to give the information provided by the image. I would not change this. Rather, I would add the keycommands to the general instructions since people without disabilities may wish to use them as well. Usually key commands can be more efficient than mousing everything. This is more in line with universal design. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Christine Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:20 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots Hi all - For our campus, I'm tasked with creating instructions for various elements in Office 365. Obviously, I want to make the instructions accessible - and I haven't dealt with this kind of thing before. My instructions include steps such as (for example) "In the upper left corner of the Office 365 window, click the icon for the App Launcher," followed by a screenshot with the icon circled. It seems like the alt text should not be a description of the screenshot, however. I suspect a screen reader user doesn't really care what the icon looks like. Since alt text is supposed to convey the same information that a sighted user would obtain from an image, it makes sense to me that the alt text should offer instructions on how to accomplish the same result using keyboard commands. For example, if my text instructions say, "in the upper left corner, click the icon..." perhaps the alt text for the image should say something like, "Tab to the icon for the App Launcher." ??? So my questions for you all are: 1. Is it correct that, in this case, alt text should provide instructions on how to navigate to the icon instead of a description of the image? 2. Where can I find more instructions re. using Office 365 features via keyboard commands? I've searched on the Microsoft site but haven't succeeded in finding anything. Thanks! 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Other times, especially in an interface that allows for images to be marked as decorative and ignored, I mark images as such, making sure all of the information was shared in the surrounding text and none of the meaning is lost. As Robert alluded to, having the image brings UDL principles into practice, in this case, offering content in different formats, whether that is to promote understanding (2.4), or customizing the display of information (1.1) among others. Ana :-] ? Ana Thompson, MIS, CPACC Learning & Access Designer Office of Digital Learning & Innovation (DLI) University of Washington Bothell - LBA 204E 425-352-3794 208-991-3095 @EdTechAna Access-Design.blog NWeLearning Comm. Chair NW/MET Emeritus Board Member Ask me about UW IT Accessibility Liaison Program Universal Design for Active Learning ? A UW Bothell Initiative From: athen-list on behalf of Karlen Communications Reply-To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Date: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 10:27 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots I use the Alt Text as something supporting what my tutorials are presenting. For example, if I have the step by step instructions on how to change a font size using the Font dialog, the Alt Text for the image would be ?Font dialog showing Font Size options? and I would put focus on the Font Size settings part of the dialog when doing the screen image. Sometimes I just use ?Font dialog? when I?ve given a step-by-step overview of the Font dialog settings. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:45 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots Alt text has a purpose which is to give the information provided by the image. I would not change this. Rather, I would add the keycommands to the general instructions since people without disabilities may wish to use them as well. Usually key commands can be more efficient than mousing everything. This is more in line with universal design. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Christine Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:20 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots Hi all ? For our campus, I?m tasked with creating instructions for various elements in Office 365. Obviously, I want to make the instructions accessible - and I haven?t dealt with this kind of thing before. My instructions include steps such as (for example) ?In the upper left corner of the Office 365 window, click the icon for the App Launcher,? followed by a screenshot with the icon circled. It seems like the alt text should not be a description of the screenshot, however. I suspect a screen reader user doesn?t really care what the icon looks like. Since alt text is supposed to convey the same information that a sighted user would obtain from an image, it makes sense to me that the alt text should offer instructions on how to accomplish the same result using keyboard commands. For example, if my text instructions say, ?in the upper left corner, click the icon?? perhaps the alt text for the image should say something like, ?Tab to the icon for the App Launcher.? ??? So my questions for you all are: 1. Is it correct that, in this case, alt text should provide instructions on how to navigate to the icon instead of a description of the image? 2. Where can I find more instructions re. using Office 365 features via keyboard commands? I?ve searched on the Microsoft site but haven?t succeeded in finding anything. Thanks! Christine Robinson | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence Georgia Gwinnett College | 1000 University Center Lane| Lawrenceville, GA 30043 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lnorwich at bu.edu Tue Sep 25 11:18:59 2018 From: lnorwich at bu.edu (Norwich, Lorraine S) Date: Tue Sep 25 11:19:21 2018 Subject: [Athen] Help with Books from Springer/Palgrave Message-ID: Dear All, Please can you help us. We are looking for a book from Springer. When we went through Access text we were told we had to request it through the Palgrave Springer site. This is what came back from access text Palgrave requests are not fulfilled through ATN. For more on requesting Palgrave titles, please visit: http://www.palgrave.com/us/rights-permissions/reading-impairement. Thank you! When I went on the site I was asked to email Palgrave as the link was down and I did. Today when I emailed to check and see what the status of the book was as I did not go through the site to request the book, I could not find anyone to help me. Actually someone in Customer service put the phone down on me because I think they did not know who to send me to or what to do. Does anyone have a PDF version of this book. The student has purchased a copy of the books. Also who at Palgrave should I contact as I have called around the company but still have no idea if the request has gone through. Title: Evolution and Human Behavior Author(s): Cartwright Publisher Springer Edition: 3rd ISBN 13: 9781137348005 Thanks Lorraine Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability Services Boston University 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd Floor Boston, MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability (website) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Tue Sep 25 11:27:21 2018 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Tue Sep 25 11:28:03 2018 Subject: [Athen] Help with Books from Springer/Palgrave In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try this URL: https://www.palgrave.com/la/rights-and-permissions/request-an-accessible-format-for-a-reading-impaired-person/6629040 On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Norwich, Lorraine S wrote: > Dear All, > > > > Please can you help us. We are looking for a book from Springer. When we > went through Access text we were told we had to request it through the > Palgrave Springer site. This is what came back from access text *Palgrave > requests are not fulfilled through ATN. For more on requesting Palgrave > titles, please visit: > http://www.palgrave.com/us/rights-permissions/reading-impairement > . Thank > you!* > > > > When I went on the site I was asked to email Palgrave as the link was down > and I did. Today when I emailed to check and see what the status of the > book was as I did not go through the site to request the book, I could not > find anyone to help me. Actually someone in Customer service put the phone > down on me because I think they did not know who to send me to or what to > do. > > > > Does anyone have a PDF version of this book. The student has purchased a > copy of the books. Also who at Palgrave should I contact as I have called > around the company but still have no idea if the request has gone through. > > > > > > Title: Evolution and Human Behavior > > Author(s): Cartwright > > Publisher Springer > > Edition: 3rd > > ISBN 13: 9781137348005 > > > > Thanks > > > > Lorraine > > > > Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS > > Assistant Director of Disability Services > > Boston University > > 19 Deerfield Street, 2nd Floor > > Boston, MA 02215 > > lnorwich@bu.edu (email) > > 617-353-3658 (vox) > > 617-353-9646 (fax) > > www.bu.edu/disability (website) > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crobinson at ggc.edu Tue Sep 25 11:40:53 2018 From: crobinson at ggc.edu (Christine Robinson) Date: Tue Sep 25 11:41:19 2018 Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2C0A5E@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2C0A5E@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: More about keyboard commands... When providing instructions for navigating desktop apps, I do provide keyboard commands in addition to "where to click." I almost always prefer keyboard commands myself. My problem is in providing instructions for Office 365. I don't know, myself, how to use this online MS Office without a mouse. As I mentioned in my original email, I've searched on the Microsoft site but haven't succeeded in finding anything re. using Office 365 features via keyboard commands, with no additional input device. Christine Robinson | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence Georgia Gwinnett College | 1000 University Center Lane| Lawrenceville, GA 30043 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:45 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots Alt text has a purpose which is to give the information provided by the image. I would not change this. Rather, I would add the keycommands to the general instructions since people without disabilities may wish to use them as well. Usually key commands can be more efficient than mousing everything. This is more in line with universal design. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Christine Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:20 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots Hi all - For our campus, I'm tasked with creating instructions for various elements in Office 365. Obviously, I want to make the instructions accessible - and I haven't dealt with this kind of thing before. My instructions include steps such as (for example) "In the upper left corner of the Office 365 window, click the icon for the App Launcher," followed by a screenshot with the icon circled. It seems like the alt text should not be a description of the screenshot, however. I suspect a screen reader user doesn't really care what the icon looks like. Since alt text is supposed to convey the same information that a sighted user would obtain from an image, it makes sense to me that the alt text should offer instructions on how to accomplish the same result using keyboard commands. For example, if my text instructions say, "in the upper left corner, click the icon..." perhaps the alt text for the image should say something like, "Tab to the icon for the App Launcher." ??? So my questions for you all are: 1. Is it correct that, in this case, alt text should provide instructions on how to navigate to the icon instead of a description of the image? 2. Where can I find more instructions re. using Office 365 features via keyboard commands? I've searched on the Microsoft site but haven't succeeded in finding anything. Thanks! 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You can register at: http://a11y-bos.org/about-a11ybos-2018/ We* haven't posted the schedule yet, but there are two sessions (so far!) that might be of particular interest to ATHENites: * Panel: Making Massively Open Online Communities (MOOCs) Accessible to Everyone (Ram Raju, VisionAid, Moderator) * Accessibility for Content Strategists: How to make your content accessible to all users (Janelle Sims, Harvard Law School) *I am one of the co-organizers, so you get a little inside information. Hope to see some of you there! Sarah E. Bourne Director of IT Accessibility Executive Office of Technology Services and Security (EOTSS) 1 Ashburton Place, 8th Floor, Boston, MA 02108 Office: (617) 626-4502 sarah.bourne@mass.gov | www.mass.gov/eotss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Tue Sep 25 12:59:10 2018 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com) Date: Tue Sep 25 13:00:01 2018 Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <052a01d4550a$3a1781c0$ae468540$@pubcom.com> We create a lot of instruction materials, especially for software. As long as the steps are detailed in the live body text and they give full instructions about the action the user must perform, we then put "lite" Alt-text on the screen capture itself. Example: Body text instructions give detailed steps on how to bold text in MS Word. Alt-text on the accompanying screen capture could be: "Screen capture of how to bold text as described in the body text." All users need to have full instructions in the body text. But only sighted users need the screen captures; the screen caps do little more than give a way-finding visual to reassure sighted users that this is what the screen should look like. They, and all other users, should still get the detailed instructions from the body text, not the graphic which often is too small, fuzzy, or difficult to see fine details. If the instructions are repeated on the screen capture as well as in the body text, then you run the risk of having redundant information.and that's a royal pain to those using screen readers. -Bevi Chagnon - - - Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com - - - PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting . training . development . design . sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes - - - Latest blog-newsletter - Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list On Behalf Of Christine Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:20 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots Hi all - For our campus, I'm tasked with creating instructions for various elements in Office 365. Obviously, I want to make the instructions accessible - and I haven't dealt with this kind of thing before. My instructions include steps such as (for example) "In the upper left corner of the Office 365 window, click the icon for the App Launcher," followed by a screenshot with the icon circled. It seems like the alt text should not be a description of the screenshot, however. I suspect a screen reader user doesn't really care what the icon looks like. Since alt text is supposed to convey the same information that a sighted user would obtain from an image, it makes sense to me that the alt text should offer instructions on how to accomplish the same result using keyboard commands. For example, if my text instructions say, "in the upper left corner, click the icon." perhaps the alt text for the image should say something like, "Tab to the icon for the App Launcher." ??? So my questions for you all are: 1. Is it correct that, in this case, alt text should provide instructions on how to navigate to the icon instead of a description of the image? 2. Where can I find more instructions re. using Office 365 features via keyboard commands? I've searched on the Microsoft site but haven't succeeded in finding anything. Thanks! Christine Robinson | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence Georgia Gwinnett College | 1000 University Center Lane| Lawrenceville, GA 30043 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Tue Sep 25 13:03:24 2018 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Tue Sep 25 13:03:42 2018 Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots In-Reply-To: <052a01d4550a$3a1781c0$ae468540$@pubcom.com> References: <052a01d4550a$3a1781c0$ae468540$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2C0C04@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Amen! What she said! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 2:59 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots We create a lot of instruction materials, especially for software. As long as the steps are detailed in the live body text and they give full instructions about the action the user must perform, we then put "lite" Alt-text on the screen capture itself. Example: Body text instructions give detailed steps on how to bold text in MS Word. Alt-text on the accompanying screen capture could be: "Screen capture of how to bold text as described in the body text." All users need to have full instructions in the body text. But only sighted users need the screen captures; the screen caps do little more than give a way-finding visual to reassure sighted users that this is what the screen should look like. They, and all other users, should still get the detailed instructions from the body text, not the graphic which often is too small, fuzzy, or difficult to see fine details. If the instructions are repeated on the screen capture as well as in the body text, then you run the risk of having redundant information...and that's a royal pain to those using screen readers. -Bevi Chagnon - - - Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com - - - PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting * training * development * design * sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes - - - Latest blog-newsletter - Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Christine Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:20 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots Hi all - For our campus, I'm tasked with creating instructions for various elements in Office 365. Obviously, I want to make the instructions accessible - and I haven't dealt with this kind of thing before. My instructions include steps such as (for example) "In the upper left corner of the Office 365 window, click the icon for the App Launcher," followed by a screenshot with the icon circled. It seems like the alt text should not be a description of the screenshot, however. I suspect a screen reader user doesn't really care what the icon looks like. Since alt text is supposed to convey the same information that a sighted user would obtain from an image, it makes sense to me that the alt text should offer instructions on how to accomplish the same result using keyboard commands. For example, if my text instructions say, "in the upper left corner, click the icon..." perhaps the alt text for the image should say something like, "Tab to the icon for the App Launcher." ??? So my questions for you all are: 1. Is it correct that, in this case, alt text should provide instructions on how to navigate to the icon instead of a description of the image? 2. Where can I find more instructions re. using Office 365 features via keyboard commands? I've searched on the Microsoft site but haven't succeeded in finding anything. Thanks! Christine Robinson | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence Georgia Gwinnett College | 1000 University Center Lane| Lawrenceville, GA 30043 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SAMAROSITZ at pasadena.edu Tue Sep 25 13:27:15 2018 From: SAMAROSITZ at pasadena.edu (S A. Marositz) Date: Tue Sep 25 13:27:36 2018 Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots In-Reply-To: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2C0C04@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> References: <052a01d4550a$3a1781c0$ae468540$@pubcom.com> <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2C0C04@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: Hi All Just throwing a thought out there. I realize that mine is a special case but I find it extremely helpful, as a trainer, when software documentation includes, alt-text or otherwise, a description of the icon the user is supposed to click on an not necessarily its function. Otherwise, I couldn't agree more with Bevi. All the best Stephen Alexander Marositz JD, CPACC Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College Phone: (626) 585-7242 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 1:03 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots Amen! What she said! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 2:59 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots We create a lot of instruction materials, especially for software. As long as the steps are detailed in the live body text and they give full instructions about the action the user must perform, we then put "lite" Alt-text on the screen capture itself. Example: Body text instructions give detailed steps on how to bold text in MS Word. Alt-text on the accompanying screen capture could be: "Screen capture of how to bold text as described in the body text." All users need to have full instructions in the body text. But only sighted users need the screen captures; the screen caps do little more than give a way-finding visual to reassure sighted users that this is what the screen should look like. They, and all other users, should still get the detailed instructions from the body text, not the graphic which often is too small, fuzzy, or difficult to see fine details. If the instructions are repeated on the screen capture as well as in the body text, then you run the risk of having redundant information...and that's a royal pain to those using screen readers. -Bevi Chagnon - - - Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com - - - PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting * training * development * design * sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes - - - Latest blog-newsletter - Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Christine Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:20 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots Hi all - For our campus, I'm tasked with creating instructions for various elements in Office 365. Obviously, I want to make the instructions accessible - and I haven't dealt with this kind of thing before. My instructions include steps such as (for example) "In the upper left corner of the Office 365 window, click the icon for the App Launcher," followed by a screenshot with the icon circled. It seems like the alt text should not be a description of the screenshot, however. I suspect a screen reader user doesn't really care what the icon looks like. Since alt text is supposed to convey the same information that a sighted user would obtain from an image, it makes sense to me that the alt text should offer instructions on how to accomplish the same result using keyboard commands. For example, if my text instructions say, "in the upper left corner, click the icon..." perhaps the alt text for the image should say something like, "Tab to the icon for the App Launcher." ??? So my questions for you all are: 1. Is it correct that, in this case, alt text should provide instructions on how to navigate to the icon instead of a description of the image? 2. Where can I find more instructions re. using Office 365 features via keyboard commands? I've searched on the Microsoft site but haven't succeeded in finding anything. Thanks! Christine Robinson | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence Georgia Gwinnett College | 1000 University Center Lane| Lawrenceville, GA 30043 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Tue Sep 25 13:43:10 2018 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Tue Sep 25 13:43:42 2018 Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots In-Reply-To: <052a01d4550a$3a1781c0$ae468540$@pubcom.com> References: <052a01d4550a$3a1781c0$ae468540$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: <00cf01d45510$5fa6ed80$1ef4c880$@karlencommunications.com> Just a reminder not to start all of your Alt Text with "prefix text. We can get a list of graphics using screen readers and starting all Alt text with image of or photo of prevents us from finding an image quickly. For example, in my previous example of "Font dialog in Word" I can use the letter F to look for graphics whose Alt text begins with F. Screen readers are not only used by people who are blind. Some people using screen magnification, or who have learning, cognitive or print disabilities use screen readers.and some Text-to-Speech tools may have a similar function for moving from graphic to graphic. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 3:59 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots We create a lot of instruction materials, especially for software. As long as the steps are detailed in the live body text and they give full instructions about the action the user must perform, we then put "lite" Alt-text on the screen capture itself. Example: Body text instructions give detailed steps on how to bold text in MS Word. Alt-text on the accompanying screen capture could be: "Screen capture of how to bold text as described in the body text." All users need to have full instructions in the body text. But only sighted users need the screen captures; the screen caps do little more than give a way-finding visual to reassure sighted users that this is what the screen should look like. They, and all other users, should still get the detailed instructions from the body text, not the graphic which often is too small, fuzzy, or difficult to see fine details. If the instructions are repeated on the screen capture as well as in the body text, then you run the risk of having redundant information.and that's a royal pain to those using screen readers. -Bevi Chagnon - - - Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com - - - PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting . training . development . design . sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/ classes - - - Latest blog-newsletter - Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Christine Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:20 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots Hi all - For our campus, I'm tasked with creating instructions for various elements in Office 365. Obviously, I want to make the instructions accessible - and I haven't dealt with this kind of thing before. My instructions include steps such as (for example) "In the upper left corner of the Office 365 window, click the icon for the App Launcher," followed by a screenshot with the icon circled. It seems like the alt text should not be a description of the screenshot, however. I suspect a screen reader user doesn't really care what the icon looks like. Since alt text is supposed to convey the same information that a sighted user would obtain from an image, it makes sense to me that the alt text should offer instructions on how to accomplish the same result using keyboard commands. For example, if my text instructions say, "in the upper left corner, click the icon." perhaps the alt text for the image should say something like, "Tab to the icon for the App Launcher." ??? So my questions for you all are: 1. Is it correct that, in this case, alt text should provide instructions on how to navigate to the icon instead of a description of the image? 2. Where can I find more instructions re. using Office 365 features via keyboard commands? I've searched on the Microsoft site but haven't succeeded in finding anything. Thanks! Christine Robinson | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence Georgia Gwinnett College | 1000 University Center Lane| Lawrenceville, GA 30043 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Tue Sep 25 13:37:36 2018 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Tue Sep 25 14:23:50 2018 Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots In-Reply-To: References: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2C0A5E@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Message-ID: <00ca01d4550f$a12fecd0$e38fc670$@karlencommunications.com> Christine: Are you looking for keyboard commands for the web apps or the desktop apps? There are keyboard commands for the web apps. Keyboard shortcuts for Outlook on the web: https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Keyboard-shortcuts-in-Outlook-on-th e-web-63df572e-1078-4562-b45e-b93e07a76ffb Keyboard shortcuts for Word web app: https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Keyboard-shortcuts-in-Word-Web-App- 2554E572-59C4-4406-BC4D-94A29C9879FB Keyboard shortcuts for PowerPoint online: https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Keyboard-shortcuts-in-PowerPoint-On line-FEF9C0EA-51F9-4580-A502-ED2736241A07 Keyboard shortcuts for Excel online: https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Keyboard-shortcuts-in-Excel-Online- 9271DECA-569E-4AD2-8475-9FF98B8BCCE3 Is this what you are trying to find? Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Christine Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 2:41 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots More about keyboard commands. When providing instructions for navigating desktop apps, I do provide keyboard commands in addition to "where to click." I almost always prefer keyboard commands myself. My problem is in providing instructions for Office 365. I don't know, myself, how to use this online MS Office without a mouse. As I mentioned in my original email, I've searched on the Microsoft site but haven't succeeded in finding anything re. using Office 365 features via keyboard commands, with no additional input device. Christine Robinson | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence Georgia Gwinnett College | 1000 University Center Lane| Lawrenceville, GA 30043 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 10:45 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots Alt text has a purpose which is to give the information provided by the image. I would not change this. Rather, I would add the keycommands to the general instructions since people without disabilities may wish to use them as well. Usually key commands can be more efficient than mousing everything. This is more in line with universal design. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Christine Robinson Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:20 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots Hi all - For our campus, I'm tasked with creating instructions for various elements in Office 365. Obviously, I want to make the instructions accessible - and I haven't dealt with this kind of thing before. My instructions include steps such as (for example) "In the upper left corner of the Office 365 window, click the icon for the App Launcher," followed by a screenshot with the icon circled. It seems like the alt text should not be a description of the screenshot, however. I suspect a screen reader user doesn't really care what the icon looks like. Since alt text is supposed to convey the same information that a sighted user would obtain from an image, it makes sense to me that the alt text should offer instructions on how to accomplish the same result using keyboard commands. For example, if my text instructions say, "in the upper left corner, click the icon." perhaps the alt text for the image should say something like, "Tab to the icon for the App Launcher." ??? So my questions for you all are: 1. Is it correct that, in this case, alt text should provide instructions on how to navigate to the icon instead of a description of the image? 2. Where can I find more instructions re. using Office 365 features via keyboard commands? I've searched on the Microsoft site but haven't succeeded in finding anything. Thanks! Christine Robinson | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence Georgia Gwinnett College | 1000 University Center Lane| Lawrenceville, GA 30043 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From koupe at di.uoa.gr Wed Sep 26 05:47:23 2018 From: koupe at di.uoa.gr (Georgios Kouroupetroglou) Date: Wed Sep 26 05:47:40 2018 Subject: [Athen] Journal of Enabling Technologies (JET): Special Issue on Accessibility of Mathematics and Science In-Reply-To: <2224250d-e8af-2f83-61ea-740baf11e4fb@di.uoa.gr> References: <2224250d-e8af-2f83-61ea-740baf11e4fb@di.uoa.gr> Message-ID: *Special Issue on Accessibility of Mathematics and Science, Journal of Enabling Technologies (JET) * Access to mathematical expressions has always been a particular problem for blind and partially sighted people, and more widely people with print disability including people with dyscalculi, dyslexia, dyspraxia and other preception, processing or motor disorders. The main issues lays in the intrinsic linearity of non-visual modalities, namely speech and Braille, and adapted visual modalities (e.g. size, color, contrast), which makes it difficult to understand the overall structure of expressions, while sighted people catch it at a glance. Other aspects are related to doing calculation and problem solving using alternative methods for entering, presenting and navigating expressions. This has a particular negative effect in terms of careers possibilities for print disabled people, since it excludes them not only from mathematical studies, but from all fields that require mathematical knowledge, including all scientific areas as well as areas using statistics. The Journal of Enabling Technologies invites manuscripts for a themed edition focused on accessibility of mathematics and science for print disabled people. The aim of this edition is to publish research papers which address recent advances on how the potential of ICT, Assistive Technologies and accessibility (semantics) enhanced content development could lead to advancements in education and career of disabled students, in particular, those with a print disability, in fields where advanced skills in mathematics are necessary. This special issue is promoted and edited in cooperation with the thread of Thematic sessions ?Art Karshmer Lectures in Access to Mathematics, Science and Engineering? of the ICCHP conference (www.icchp.org ,?http://www.icchp.org/session/10673). The Art Karshmer lectures, started in 2002, intend to expand and collect a comprehensive scientific body of knowledge and to connect the group or international experts in this field. Contributions may focus on areas such as: * access to mathematical and other scientific material (e.g. statistics, chemistry, biology) in different formats (e.g. adapted visual, audio, Braille, captioning) and using Assistive Technologies, * understanding and learning mathematics and science based on flexible and adaptable multimedia representations and Assistive Technologies, * doing mathematics employing multi-modal interaction possibilities (e.g. speech input, touch, gestures, tangible interfaces) and Assistive Technologies, * inclusive education and job integration in science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM) rich domains. Submission procedure: Submissions to this journal are through the ScholarOne submission system: http://mc.manuscriptcentral.com/joet Guidance for authors can be found here: http://www.emeraldgrouppublishing.com/products/journals/author_guideline Please ensure that you select this special issue from the relevant drop down menu during the submission process.? Important Dates: * Submission deadline: 31 December 2018 * First review completed: 28 February 2019 * Revised manuscript due: April 30, 2019 * Second review completed: May 30, 2019? * Final manuscript submission: July 30, 2019? * Publication date: September, 2019 Guest Editors: * Dominique Archambault, Universit? 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We are creating Word documents now for the student, but could create HTML if there is a better way to do it with that tool. Thanks for any advice. -- Corrine Schoeb Technology Accessibility Coordinator, ITS 610-957-6208 *** Swarthmore College ITS will never ask you for your password, including by email. Please keep your passwords private to protect yourself and the security of our network. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Sep 26 06:39:03 2018 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Wed Sep 26 06:39:26 2018 Subject: [Athen] Screen readers perceiving emphasized text in Word or HTML In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2C0D51@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> If you use the strong style, the screen readers can indicate a style change. If the screen reader is not indicating this, the user can adjust the settings to get the information. Strong is for bold, I believe emphasis is italic. If you aren?t getting the ?look? you want, modify the style to give the look. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Corrine Schoeb Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 8:31 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Screen readers perceiving emphasized text in Word or HTML Hi all, Working on some documents for a student who uses screen readers, primarily NVDA and VoiceOver. How do I indicate that text has emphasis? For a sighted person we do this with bold and/or italics, but I'm not sure how to do this with so a screen reader can perceive the emphasis. We are creating Word documents now for the student, but could create HTML if there is a better way to do it with that tool. 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Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Wed Sep 26 08:32:04 2018 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Wed Sep 26 08:35:11 2018 Subject: [Athen] Strong Vs. Bold In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ce01d455ae$145481a0$3cfd84e0$@karlencommunications.com> In terms of accessible document design, bold and italic as well as underline are sort of deprecated in best practices in favour of using styles to accomplish the same thing. This improves the accessibility of documents. For example, if I have trouble reading text in italics, I can modify the Emphasis Style to turn off italics and maybe make the text larger or a different colour. As the person accessing the content, I can create my own Style Set and swap it out with the one that doesn?t work for me. Bold, italic and underline are consider direct formatting. ?We? are trying to move away from direct formatting as it can create an accessibility barrier. While you can use Strong and Emphasis there is still no underline Style and when doing workshops on accessible document design, this is one of the things I have participants to?.add an Underline Style to their document template or the document they are remediating if underline has been used. I think it is also an alignment to what other document formats are using. For example, bold and strong were deprecated in HTML 4 in favour of strong and emphasis. I?m hoping that in the near future, Microsoft will map the keyboard commands and the buttons on the Home Ribbon to the Styles instead of keeping them as direct formatting. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 11:07 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Strong Vs. Bold Hello, I didn't want to hijack an existing thread, so I decided to start a new one. Robert, you indicated that if someone uses the strong style for bold, the screen reader will announce the style change. However, the screen reader can also be configured to announce whether text is bold. With this being said, what is the difference between using the strong style or just making the text bold? Is it a visual difference? Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crobinson at ggc.edu Wed Sep 26 08:51:26 2018 From: crobinson at ggc.edu (Christine Robinson) Date: Wed Sep 26 08:51:38 2018 Subject: [Athen] Strong Vs. Bold In-Reply-To: <00ce01d455ae$145481a0$3cfd84e0$@karlencommunications.com> References: <00ce01d455ae$145481a0$3cfd84e0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: To add a smidgen to Karen?s comments (?and I love everything Karen says!): The way I think about it, is that when we make visual changes to text, we always have a purpose behind it. When we use Styles, we allow screen readers to announce our purpose. If a screen reader announces ?bold text,? that only tells what visual change has been made, not why. I would be wondering, ?Why is it bold? Is it a heading? If so, what level heading in the organizational structure? Is it more important text? If so, what?s the level of importance compared to text that?s in italics?? And it would get more complicated if screen readers also announced details like ?Bold, 14 point, dark green.? We use heading styles to clarify the organizational structure of a document, and we use emphasis styles to help people know which text we consider most essential. When we use Styles instead of direct formatting, we allow screen readers to communicate the purpose/function/?role? of any section of text, regardless of what it looks like. My two cents, Chris Christine Robinson | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence Georgia Gwinnett College | 678-407-5193 From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 11:32 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Strong Vs. Bold In terms of accessible document design, bold and italic as well as underline are sort of deprecated in best practices in favour of using styles to accomplish the same thing. This improves the accessibility of documents. For example, if I have trouble reading text in italics, I can modify the Emphasis Style to turn off italics and maybe make the text larger or a different colour. As the person accessing the content, I can create my own Style Set and swap it out with the one that doesn?t work for me. Bold, italic and underline are consider direct formatting. ?We? are trying to move away from direct formatting as it can create an accessibility barrier. While you can use Strong and Emphasis there is still no underline Style and when doing workshops on accessible document design, this is one of the things I have participants to?.add an Underline Style to their document template or the document they are remediating if underline has been used. I think it is also an alignment to what other document formats are using. For example, bold and strong were deprecated in HTML 4 in favour of strong and emphasis. I?m hoping that in the near future, Microsoft will map the keyboard commands and the buttons on the Home Ribbon to the Styles instead of keeping them as direct formatting. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 11:07 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Strong Vs. Bold Hello, I didn't want to hijack an existing thread, so I decided to start a new one. Robert, you indicated that if someone uses the strong style for bold, the screen reader will announce the style change. However, the screen reader can also be configured to announce whether text is bold. With this being said, what is the difference between using the strong style or just making the text bold? Is it a visual difference? Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Wed Sep 26 10:23:03 2018 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Wed Sep 26 10:41:46 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word to PDF "Enable Advanced Tagging" In-Reply-To: <3794e37665f14c0fad58027a63fce257@EXCPM5701.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> References: <3794e37665f14c0fad58027a63fce257@EXCPM5701.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> Message-ID: <013601d455bd$9fd5dd00$df819700$@karlencommunications.com> Adobe suggests that you check this because it will eventually let someone have access to formatting of text.that's the theory I've heard from Adobe for years. I always check it because I figure any additional help in converting to tagged PDF is something I want to do. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 1:09 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Word to PDF "Enable Advanced Tagging" When creating a PDF from Word, there's an option to Enable Advanced Tagging in addition to regular tags. Anyone know what this actually does and if it matters whether it's checked or not? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Wed Sep 26 12:16:04 2018 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com) Date: Wed Sep 26 12:16:25 2018 Subject: [Athen] Word to PDF "Enable Advanced Tagging" In-Reply-To: <013601d455bd$9fd5dd00$df819700$@karlencommunications.com> References: <3794e37665f14c0fad58027a63fce257@EXCPM5701.enterpriseapps.cuny.adlan> <013601d455bd$9fd5dd00$df819700$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <00bc01d455cd$5f0f93a0$1d2ebae0$@pubcom.com> We stopped using that setting because it created microdot numbers before all headings and paragraphs. A sighted person would see a small dot (or smushed gnat) and some screen readers were voicing them as part of the content. Zoom in 4000% and you can see letters and numbers, like 3FN56H. They were annoying to see and hear. And we sometimes had some crazy tagging coming out of MS Word with it. No one on the current programming team could tell me what that setting was for, nor how these microdot numbers would affect accessibility. To us, it sounded like an idea that never got fully programmed; it's definitely not a technology that's "ready for prime time" today so we stopped clicking that setting when making PDFs from Office. It would be very nice if they actually did something positive for users, but right now, no. Nadda. The option is only available if you're using Adobe's PDF Maker from an MS Office application. The option isn't available in the export utilities from Adobe's Creative Suite programs, such as InDesign. --Bevi Chagnon - - - Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com - - - PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting . training . development . design . sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes - - - Latest blog-newsletter - Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 1:23 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Word to PDF "Enable Advanced Tagging" Adobe suggests that you check this because it will eventually let someone have access to formatting of text.that's the theory I've heard from Adobe for years. I always check it because I figure any additional help in converting to tagged PDF is something I want to do. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 1:09 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: [Athen] Word to PDF "Enable Advanced Tagging" When creating a PDF from Word, there's an option to Enable Advanced Tagging in addition to regular tags. Anyone know what this actually does and if it matters whether it's checked or not? Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zm290 at msstate.edu Wed Sep 26 13:07:29 2018 From: zm290 at msstate.edu (Zach) Date: Wed Sep 26 13:07:54 2018 Subject: [Athen] FW: [Nfbnet-members-list] US House of Representatives Passes Marrakesh Treaty Implementation Act In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <013301d455d4$8e155f20$aa401d60$@msstate.edu> Thought this may be of interest. Zachary Mason M.S. Student Animal and Dairy Sciences Mississippi State University -----Original Message----- From: NFBNet-Members-List On Behalf Of Danielsen, Chris via Nfb-announce via NFBNet-Members-List Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:42 PM To: nfbnet-members-list@nfbnet.org Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] US House of Representatives Passes Marrakesh Treaty Implementation Act FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE US House of Representatives Passes Marrakesh Treaty Implementation Act Treaty Now Awaits Presidential Action Washington, DC (September 25, 2018): The United States House of Representatives has passed the Marrakesh Treaty Implementation Act (S. 2559), which makes modest changes to copyright law that will bring the United States into compliance with the terms of the Marrakesh Treaty. The Senate gave its advice and consent to ratification of the treaty and passed the implementing legislation on June 28. "For almost a decade now, the National Federation of the Blind, our partners, and other advocates have worked to bring the Marrakesh Treaty into being and into force," said Mark A. Riccobono, President of the National Federation of the Blind. "Today we applaud the United States House of Representatives for its passage of the Marrakesh Treaty Implementation Act. We now urge President Trump to sign this implementing legislation, and to order the State Department to deposit the instrument of ratification with the World Intellectual Property Organization as soon as practicable. We are closer than ever to the day when blind Americans will have greater access to the world's knowledge, in many of its original languages, than we have ever had in human history." ### About the National Federation of the Blind The National Federation of the Blind (NFB), headquartered in Baltimore, is the oldest and largest nationwide organization of blind Americans. Founded in 1940, the NFB consists of affiliates, chapters, and divisions in the fifty states, Washington DC, and Puerto Rico. The NFB defends the rights of blind people of all ages and provides information and support to families with blind children, older Americans who are losing vision, and more. We believe in the hopes and dreams of blind people and work together to transform them into reality. Learn more about our many programs and initiatives at www.nfb.org. nfb.org - National Federation of the Blind www.nfb.org The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen@nfb.org Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. _______________________________________________ NFBNet-Members-List mailing list NFBNet-Members-List@nfbnet.org List archives: To unsubscribe from NFBNet-Members-List: goto http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbnet-members-list_nfbnet.org/zm290%40mss tate.edu From iza.bartosiewicz at rmit.edu.au Wed Sep 26 21:36:45 2018 From: iza.bartosiewicz at rmit.edu.au (Iza Bartosiewicz) Date: Wed Sep 26 21:37:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Christine Here are my rules of thumb for writing instructions with screenshots for web-based apps: *Use but don't rely on screenshots* Write instructions first, making sure that interface descriptions or references to interface elements make sense without the screenshots, and then add screenshots with a blank or minimal alt text. *Reduce verbal clutter* Just like visual clutter, verbal clutter can increase cognitive load and make instructions harder to understand and follow. Avoid or minimise: - redundant image descriptions that duplicate what's already covered in the surrounding text; - unnecessary descriptions that are unlikely to be useful to someone, who won't see the interface. *Check 'under the hood'* What the visual label of an interface element shows may not necessarily be what the screen reader will read out. So, when describing elements such as image or icon buttons, always check the underlying markup and incorporate 'hidden' labels if they differ from the visible labels. The most obvious example is a search button with a magnifying glass icon as a visual indicator and a word 'search' as a title or alt attribute. The easiest way to check this is to inspect the markup in a browser. You can also try the WAVE tool and select 'No Styles' option from the sidebar controls. This option strips the CSS, so you'll be able to compare the markup with the visual display. Hope this helps. Including keyboard shortcuts will benefit many people so it is definitely worth doing. Is this what you're looking for? Shortcut keys in Office cheers Iza *Iza Bartosiewicz | Web Coordinator* Internet Services, Library and Student Success Building 94, 23 Cardigan Street Carlton VIC 3053 Tel. +61 3 9925 3103 iza.bartosiewicz@rmit.edu.au www.rmit.edu.au/ @Mr0wka18 www.linkedin.com/in/izabartosiewicz *RMIT University acknowledges the people of the Woi wurrung and Boon wurrung language groups of the eastern Kulin Nations on whose unceded lands we conduct the business of the University. RMIT University respectfully acknowledges their Ancestors and Elders, past and present.* *RMIT also acknowledges the Traditional Custodians and their Ancestors of the lands and waters across Australia where we conduct our business.* Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:20:02 +0000 > From: Christine Robinson > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] Alt text for instructions with screenshots > Message-ID: > < > BN6PR04MB07543642981C7577242454BDAA160@BN6PR04MB0754.namprd04.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi all - > > For our campus, I'm tasked with creating instructions for various elements > in Office 365. Obviously, I want to make the instructions accessible - and > I haven't dealt with this kind of thing before. > > My instructions include steps such as (for example) "In the upper left > corner of the Office 365 window, click the icon for the App Launcher," > followed by a screenshot with the icon circled. > > It seems like the alt text should not be a description of the screenshot, > however. I suspect a screen reader user doesn't really care what the icon > looks like. Since alt text is supposed to convey the same information that > a sighted user would obtain from an image, it makes sense to me that the > alt text should offer instructions on how to accomplish the same result > using keyboard commands. > > For example, if my text instructions say, "in the upper left corner, click > the icon..." perhaps the alt text for the image should say something like, > "Tab to the icon for the App Launcher." ??? > > So my questions for you all are: > > 1. Is it correct that, in this case, alt text should provide instructions > on how to navigate to the icon instead of a description of the image? > > 2. Where can I find more instructions re. using Office 365 features via > keyboard commands? I've searched on the Microsoft site but haven't > succeeded in finding anything. > > Thanks! > > Christine Robinson | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching > Excellence > Georgia Gwinnett College | 1000 University Center Lane| Lawrenceville, GA > 30043 > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Thu Sep 27 08:05:51 2018 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Thu Sep 27 08:07:33 2018 Subject: [Athen] Contact for Norton? Message-ID: Does anyone have a direct contact for Norton, that isn't through AccessText? We are having trouble with a file they sent but they are not responding to our messages. Looking for a workaround... Thanks! 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Maybe check there and see if there's a better copy available? -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich Cornell University Student Disability Services Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 http://sds.cornell.edu Tel. 607.254.4545 Fax. 607.255.1562 Office Hours: Monday-Thursday 8:15AM-4:45PM Friday 8:15AM-4:00PM From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 11:06 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network ; DSSHE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: [Athen] Contact for Norton? Does anyone have a direct contact for Norton, that isn't through AccessText? We are having trouble with a file they sent but they are not responding to our messages. Looking for a workaround... Thanks! Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jess.thompson at sbctc.edu Thu Sep 27 10:50:42 2018 From: jess.thompson at sbctc.edu (Jess Thompson) Date: Thu Sep 27 10:51:04 2018 Subject: [Athen] Fw: Accessibility Program Manager at Highline! In-Reply-To: <959AD6A9-8E47-4E94-B067-7D9DF7883418@highline.edu> References: <959AD6A9-8E47-4E94-B067-7D9DF7883418@highline.edu> Message-ID: ________________________________ From: ELC on behalf of Lentini, Marc Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 6:34 AM To: eLearning Council List serv Subject: [ELC-C] Accessibility Program Manager at Highline! Hi all, Please share this widely? we?re hiring an Accessible Tech Program Manager. We have a program started, now all we need is the person to kick it into high gear. Closes October 15, so act now, operators are standing by. Thanks! 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Reading "Marrakesh Treaty" I was left scratching my head till I went to the NFB site and found this info page about what this will mean if implemented: https://nfb.org/marrakeshfactsheet On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 1:09 PM Zach wrote: > Thought this may be of interest. > > Zachary Mason > M.S. Student > Animal and Dairy Sciences > Mississippi State University > > -----Original Message----- > From: NFBNet-Members-List On > Behalf > Of Danielsen, Chris via Nfb-announce via NFBNet-Members-List > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:42 PM > To: nfbnet-members-list@nfbnet.org > Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] US House of Representatives Passes Marrakesh > Treaty Implementation Act > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > US House of Representatives Passes Marrakesh Treaty Implementation Act > Treaty Now Awaits Presidential Action > > Washington, DC (September 25, 2018): The United States House of > Representatives has passed the Marrakesh Treaty Implementation Act (S. > 2559), which makes modest changes to copyright law that will bring the > United States into compliance with the terms of the Marrakesh Treaty. The > Senate gave its advice and consent to ratification of the treaty and passed > the implementing legislation on June 28. > > "For almost a decade now, the National Federation of the Blind, our > partners, and other advocates have worked to bring the Marrakesh Treaty > into > being and into force," said Mark A. Riccobono, President of the National > Federation of the Blind. "Today we applaud the United States House of > Representatives for its passage of the Marrakesh Treaty Implementation Act. > We now urge President Trump to sign this implementing legislation, and to > order the State Department to deposit the instrument of ratification with > the World Intellectual Property Organization as soon as practicable. We are > closer than ever to the day when blind Americans will have greater access > to > the world's knowledge, in many of its original languages, than we have ever > had in human history." > > ### > > About the National Federation of the Blind The National Federation of the > Blind (NFB), headquartered in Baltimore, is the oldest and largest > nationwide organization of blind Americans. Founded in 1940, the NFB > consists of affiliates, chapters, and divisions in the fifty states, > Washington DC, and Puerto Rico. The NFB defends the rights of blind people > of all ages and provides information and support to families with blind > children, older Americans who are losing vision, and more. We believe in > the > hopes and dreams of blind people and work together to transform them into > reality. 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URL: From skeegan at ccctechcenter.org Fri Sep 28 08:48:15 2018 From: skeegan at ccctechcenter.org (Sean Keegan) Date: Fri Sep 28 08:48:39 2018 Subject: [Athen] Zoom Text for Mac discontinued In-Reply-To: <51F64DE7-DE8F-4034-AAE2-CB9C292D1759@mit.edu> References: <51F64DE7-DE8F-4034-AAE2-CB9C292D1759@mit.edu> Message-ID: I found that the macOS Zoom along with a Retina display did a pretty good job of magnification for students. While there was not all the additional features and capabilities of the ZoomText product, using the macOS Zoom as well as modifying some of the native speech settings (e.g., Speak items under pointer, Enable announcements, etc.) resulted in a generally usable solution. I also found it helpful for students to enable the Full Keyboard Access option so that using the Tab key moved you to all controls (System Preferences > Keyboard > Shortcuts). This is typically set to Text boxes and Lists by default and is problematic when new users are trying to navigate via the Tab key. The only major issue I found was with text smoothing at higher magnifications was not so great with the macOS solution...although I recall it was only marginally better with the ZoomText version. I don't believe there are any other viable magnification options for macOS at this time. Take care, Sean On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 6:04 AM Kathleen Cahill wrote: > Hi colleagues, > > > In doing some searches recently, I discovered that VFO has discontinued > ZoomText for Mac. They no longer list it as a product on their website and > after inquiring, they will no longer be upgrading the current version. I?m > writing to ask what other magnification solutions you employ for Mac users > aside from the built-in Zoom function in Mac OS. > > > > Thank you, > > Kathy > > > > > > Kathy Cahill > > Associate Dean, Accessibility and Usability > > MIT Division of Student Life > > 77 Mass. Ave. 7-143 > > Cambridge MA 02139 > > kcahill@mit.edu > > (617) 253-5111 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Fri Sep 28 10:19:34 2018 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Fri Sep 28 10:20:30 2018 Subject: [Athen] Canvas Accessibility Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF029CB4E089@MB1.FHDA.LEARN> The California community colleges have mostly all adopted Canvas because it was found to be one of the most accessible LMS platforms out there. As a screen reader user, I?ve now taken six courses that used Canvas (two were MOOCS) and the only access issues I had were sometimes with individual instructor content ? such as a camera-phone photo of a textbook page. I know it?s easy for instructors to offer extended exam-taking time and include video captions. Some of our LD students have found online learning in general confusing, so the important thing for any student is for them to study all the training videos and text-based tutorials Canvas provides ahead of time. The iOS and Android apps are also accessible. Make sure that a student doesn?t have to log in just to learn how to use Canvas. This way they can be encouraged to practice with an orientation course over the break before they have to take a real course with deadlines. We have a nice orientation course here that anyone, such as a tutor or parent can take to learn the basics and assist a student. I was confused when I took my first course, but on my commute, I studied all the orientation materials on my phone, and that really helped. One barrier to accessibility is when the instructor isn?t organized. For example, if the instructor has modules, announcements, assignments, discussion questions, chapters to read, external links to view, and a youTube video all due on a certain week and he doesn?t specify the to-do list for that week in one place. I had one instructor who kept posting stuff and there was no organized syllabus to specify what needed to be due by when. The seat of the pants impromptu teaching style annoys me more than access glitches in the LMS. Also make sure the student is learning relevant access technology, preferably ahead of time. --Debee From: athen-list On Behalf Of Samantha Johns Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 3:08 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Canvas Accessibility Question Hello Everyone, If anyone is using Canvas at your University, can you please give some feedback about accessibility issues or concerns? Currently we are using D2L and are considering switching to Canvas. 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Bold In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34D068EC55A9914494617A37B8D8FA84013E2C0DF6@EROS2.EMPLOYEES.KCKCC.LOCAL> Styles add structure and consistency to the document whereas formatting just adds appearance. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 10:07 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Strong Vs. Bold Hello, I didn't want to hijack an existing thread, so I decided to start a new one. Robert, you indicated that if someone uses the strong style for bold, the screen reader will announce the style change. However, the screen reader can also be configured to announce whether text is bold. With this being said, what is the difference between using the strong style or just making the text bold? Is it a visual difference? 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