From michaelnakai at weber.edu Fri Feb 1 09:15:06 2019 From: michaelnakai at weber.edu (Michael Nakai) Date: Fri Feb 1 09:15:36 2019 Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader Verbosity Message-ID: Greetings, I have a question to pose to anyone who can help. While using Canvas to post syllabuses, our instructors often post grading scales similar to the form below: A: 100%-93% A-: 92.9%-90% B+: 89.9%-87% ...and so forth It has been pointed out that various screen readers aren't verbose enough to pronounce, "A minus" when it encounters that hyphen. Or well versed enough to pronounce the numbers as a range like, "one hundred percent to ninety-three percent". Without having to require the user to change the configuration of their reader to be more verbose, is there something that we can do within our formatting that can help with this? -- Michael Nakai Adaptive Technology *Weber State University Disability Services* 3885 West Campus Drive Dept 1129 Ogden, Utah 84408-1129 (801) 626-6413 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Fri Feb 1 10:14:15 2019 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Fri Feb 1 10:16:16 2019 Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader Verbosity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02D93E9264@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> This might be an unpopular view, but I think the users, if they are taking college-level courses, need to learn to configure their screen reader appropriately. In a job situation you will need to adjust the level of punctuation and also how numbers are read. I?ve seen accessible websites that dispensed with tables because screen reader users had trouble with them. Modern screen readers cope with properly formatted HTML tables just fine, so removing tables only prevents the user from learning how to navigate them. In my opinion, if you make it too easy they don?t get to learn skills which help them grow proficient with the screen reader. --Debee From: athen-list On Behalf Of Michael Nakai Sent: Friday, February 01, 2019 9:15 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader Verbosity Greetings, I have a question to pose to anyone who can help. While using Canvas to post syllabuses, our instructors often post grading scales similar to the form below: A: 100%-93% A-: 92.9%-90% B+: 89.9%-87% ...and so forth It has been pointed out that various screen readers aren't verbose enough to pronounce, "A minus" when it encounters that hyphen. Or well versed enough to pronounce the numbers as a range like, "one hundred percent to ninety-three percent". Without having to require the user to change the configuration of their reader to be more verbose, is there something that we can do within our formatting that can help with this? -- Michael Nakai Adaptive Technology Weber State University Disability Services 3885 West Campus Drive Dept 1129 Ogden, Utah 84408-1129 (801) 626-6413 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Fri Feb 1 10:23:20 2019 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Fri Feb 1 10:25:20 2019 Subject: [Athen] Question about Computer Science accessibility software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02D93E9323@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> Agree that Notepad is the way to go when writing code. JAWS reads tabs, spaces and now it also can read line endings in Notepad fine as long as that feature is enabled and you've maximized the window. If the rest of the class is working with an integrated development environment the instructor might need to provide special instructions for importing notepad text in to the environment. Make sure too, that your student has access to the code samples that are usually a free download with purchase of the textbook. Because an integrated development environment can often help with syntax, he'll be missing out on that using Notepad, so code samples are crucial. If code from the instructor's book isn't available, download some of the similar beginning books from Bookshare. To my knowledge the "head first" series is the only computer science book on Bookshare that is publisher quality where the code samples are all images and thus not readable by a screen reader - Bookshare is aware of this problem and so is the publisher. --Debee From: athen-list On Behalf Of John Gardner Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 2:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Question about Computer Science accessibility software I use NotePad and NotePad++ for writing Python code. NVDA has a setting permitting one to hear spaces or tab indents which is the only magic for Python. Jaws probably does also. Fancy editors have other nice things like colors etc, but for blind people, notepad works just fine. John From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Tamara Mariotti Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 10:44 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: [Athen] Question about Computer Science accessibility software Good day all, I am working with a student who is completely blind and trying to locate a software program that will work with Jaws or Voice over. A large focus of the course that he is taking is writing python programming code. The default IDLE (text editor) that comes with the Python Windows installation is not accessible. Do you have any resources that might be able to tell us a good programming editor that supports Python for the blind? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Tamara Mariotti Coordinator of the Office of Accessibility Resources (OAR) Co-Chair NYSED Advisory Council for SWD in Post-Secondary Education Mohawk Valley Community College Payne Hall 104H 1101 Sherman Drive Utica, NY 13502 Voice 315-731-5702 Fax 315-731-5868 https://www.mvcc.edu/accessibility-resources [mvcc logo] Proud member of: [NYSDSC 2016 Logo for email sig] "Disability is not a 'brave struggle' or 'courage in the face of adversity'. Disability is an art. It's an ingenious way to live." Neil Marcus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4539 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 11:14 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader Verbosity This might be an unpopular view, but I think the users, if they are taking college-level courses, need to learn to configure their screen reader appropriately. In a job situation you will need to adjust the level of punctuation and also how numbers are read. I?ve seen accessible websites that dispensed with tables because screen reader users had trouble with them. Modern screen readers cope with properly formatted HTML tables just fine, so removing tables only prevents the user from learning how to navigate them. In my opinion, if you make it too easy they don?t get to learn skills which help them grow proficient with the screen reader. --Debee From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Michael Nakai Sent: Friday, February 01, 2019 9:15 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader Verbosity Greetings, I have a question to pose to anyone who can help. While using Canvas to post syllabuses, our instructors often post grading scales similar to the form below: A: 100%-93% A-: 92.9%-90% B+: 89.9%-87% ...and so forth It has been pointed out that various screen readers aren't verbose enough to pronounce, "A minus" when it encounters that hyphen. Or well versed enough to pronounce the numbers as a range like, "one hundred percent to ninety-three percent". Without having to require the user to change the configuration of their reader to be more verbose, is there something that we can do within our formatting that can help with this? -- Michael Nakai Adaptive Technology Weber State University Disability Services 3885 West Campus Drive Dept 1129 Ogden, Utah 84408-1129 (801) 626-6413 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Fri Feb 1 10:28:25 2019 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Fri Feb 1 10:29:06 2019 Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader Verbosity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, no, not really, because the individual will definitely encounter such text in the future anyway. Part of being a blind computer user is knowing how to use the screen reader. They can either adjust the punctuation verbosity or, when in doubt, review the text by different granularity levels, such as by character, word, etc. On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 12:32 PM Michael Nakai wrote: > Greetings, > > I have a question to pose to anyone who can help. > > While using Canvas to post syllabuses, our instructors often post grading > scales similar to the form below: > > A: 100%-93% > A-: 92.9%-90% > B+: 89.9%-87% > ...and so forth > > It has been pointed out that various screen readers aren't verbose enough > to pronounce, "A minus" when it encounters that hyphen. Or well versed > enough to pronounce the numbers as a range like, "one hundred percent to > ninety-three percent". > > Without having to require the user to change the configuration of their > reader to be more verbose, is there something that we can do within our > formatting that can help with this? > > -- > Michael Nakai > Adaptive Technology > > *Weber State University Disability Services* > 3885 West Campus Drive Dept 1129 > Ogden, Utah 84408-1129 > (801) 626-6413 > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Fri Feb 1 10:33:38 2019 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Fri Feb 1 10:36:04 2019 Subject: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial In-Reply-To: <00df01d4b8cf$72c80840$585818c0$@pubcom.com> References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02D93E1EC1@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> <000001d4b822$134cb4e0$39e61ea0$@montana.com> <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02D93E2C21@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> <00df01d4b8cf$72c80840$585818c0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02D93E93B4@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> And even a blind student wants images. Let?s say you want a friend to describe an image to you or you want to use speech to read, but magnify the images -- say when taking Art history. A PDF without images is not accessible, even if you cannot see, because how are you supposed to find the images in a huge hardcover book? The publishers claim if you bought the book you have the images, but if they are part of the PDF they are so much easier to locate when you need description or magnification! And if the images are only in VitalSource, it means you can?t as easily get them to where your tutor, describer or magnification device is located. VitalSource doesn?t run on a Braille notetaker which is what many blind students use. As a lover of VitalSource, I still see it not replacing PDF files, even for blind students who might need easier access to images. --Debee From: athen-list On Behalf Of chagnon@pubcom.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 11:10 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Interesting comments. Deborah Armstrong wrote: Another thing Pearson is doing is supplying PDFs with all the images removed. I?ve gotten several like this; the caption is there but no image, and for a book with a lot of figures this is unacceptable. Agree! It?s been a long time since I?ve seen that in a PDF or document. That type of workaround was done eons ago before most people realized that accessibility is for all users, not only those who are fully blind. Removing the graphic does not help those with low vision, cognitive, and other disabilities. Plus, the caption might not contain all of the visual information that is in the graphic, so those dependent on Alt-text won?t have it because there isn?t a graphic to hold the Alt-text. What?s so striking to me is that publishers are balking at providing accessible PDFs for their books. If they?re printing a book, then most likely they are using Adobe InDesign to design and lay it out because it is the publishing industry?s standard software worldwide. For those who?ve attended my classes at AHG and at our training lab, they know that the layout for print can be converted to an accessible PDF from from the same file?but the designers must learn how to set up the InDesign layout for both print and accessible PDF. They also can quickly convert it to an accessible EPUB from the same layout. A little bit of training in how to do this can solve the problem for both publishers and academia. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com Pronounced bev ie sha ?oe (it?s French!) ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 9:34 AM Deborah Armstrong > wrote: One possible step in the right direction would be to point out to your publisher?s rep the portions of the book that were not accessible even in VitalSource. For example, figures without description or something that cannot be zoomed up to the size a student needs. I try to write the publisher with specific page numbers or specific figures and details about what?s not accessible. You can explain you need the PDF in order to make these things accessible. I think if we keep harping on publishers about how something they claim is accessible isn?t it will reduce our need for the PDF files. But, if the publishers want to take responsibility for making a book accessible, they have to be held to it, and if they don?t want to give us PDFS we have to give them a hard time. I can kind of understand where the publishers are coming from, though I don?t have to like it. They want more students to buy more books and if that involves making them more accessible it?s a win for both sides. But it?s not a win when they claim accessibility and it?s untrue, then deny you the chance to fix the issue. So accessibility problems with a book need to be pointed out to them specifically. Another thing Pearson is doing is supplying PDFS with all the images removed. I?ve gotten several like this; the caption is there but no image, and for a book with a lot of figures this is unacceptable. One other thing Pearson reps are doing with I find quite disingenuous is talking to instructors about how their books are accessible and open textbooks are not. One of our counselors, who is also an instructor chose a Pearson book over an open textbook for that very reason. For just one example of a Pearson book that illustrates all of these issues see ?Fundamentals of Database Systems?, ISBN 9780133971224 which has a PDF on the ATN without images; is on Bookshare without images and is on VitalSource with images that are not described. And the images are required to comprehend the book though most of them are text-based and could be represented via tables rather than pictures. --Debee From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 2:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial I have heard this same crap from Pearson through my contact (which is probably the same). By now, they have heard the ?whys? and yes, they are being literal roadblocks to providing what we ask for. When we request a PDF through ATN, we get it next-day (unless that title is on VitalSource, then we have to do the end run or workaround, which takes weeks, if they even respond at all). So no, they are not ?committed? to getting us what we need. If it isn?t in their tiny little definition of what they want to provide, we get the runaround, and the 20 questions, and really this just delays us getting what we need for our student. That is what I wish they would understand. We aren?t asking for a PDF because we don?t know any better. We are asking for a PDF because that is what we need to do what we do for the student. If anyone wants the contact with Pearson directly, please email me off-list, I?m happy to share my contact?s information. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of George Kerscher Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:29 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hello, I reached out to folks at Pearson to get some clarification. Here is what I was told: Begin email from Pearson rep if a student needs a PDF for accessibility purposes we will provide it. We're not in the business of denying anyone access to what they need for learning. As you are aware we've partnered with Vitalsource to provide accessible ePubs to students and in most cases this does meet their needs. When it doesn't, we ask why - not to "get in the way" but to try to understand the needs of the student in question. While we do ask for "Proof of purchase" it isn't to identify the students - we are as concerned with privacy as anyone else. I'll look at the messaging we use to see if we can do a better job communicating. As to his two week wait. we have internal approval processes in place before we let PDF's out the door. Those processes are in place to help insure that we protect the IP rights of our authors. Sometimes this does slow things down but we are currently active in trying to improve those processes and reduce the time necessary to deliver the PDF's. I hope that helps, please feel free to reach out with any questions. End of email from Pearson rep. I was also told if anybody would like to communicate directly, send me (kerscher@montana.com) and I will forward the request to my contact. Best George From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 10:55 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Just to give you comfort, the same thing has happened to me six times so far. Three of those times, luckily the student fell in love with VitalSource. The other three times, I had to do the proof-of-purchase-big-argument-thing! For me, the bigger problem is when a student?s textbook is an ebook only, integrated with the LMS. Pearson?s beginning to do that a lot now, and so is Cengage. If a student has a book I can scan, then it?s much easier. --Debee From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Sorensen, Neal B Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 1:55 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi All, I?m writing to see if anyone else has encountered a problem like this with (our dear friend) Pearson. Here?s the story. I made a request on AccessText Network for Microeconomics by Pindyck and Rubinfeld, and the request was denied. I received a follow-up e-mail at the same time saying the title is available on VitalSource, and the student could sent a proof-of-purchase directly to Pearson to get a free access code for their book. Now, I have NEVER had to provide a proof-of-purchase to get any book on AccessText Network. Their follow-up also suggested contacting the Pearson disability support office if the student is ?using an assistive technology other than a screen reader.? The request has been approved by their permissions and now I?m just waiting for the book. This is unacceptable of Pearson. Thankfully the student has tried to use textbooks only accessible online before, and knows the PDF is better for his needs. I?ve been waiting almost two weeks now for this book (I got a customer satisfaction survey before I got the book). What is mildly infuriating about all this is that I know they have the book in PDF? I mean, it?s on VitalSource so they have electronic versions! Why not just give me the PDF? Additionally, why would I give Pearson the identity of my student? We are bound to confidentiality, and asking the student to identify themselves to the publisher is not necessary. This just goes to show that the major publishers will always try new ideas that don?t make sense, and that it is important to push back against those ideas when we encounter them! Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Downside: The subscription model is expensive if you don't run a large development shop; it doesn't tell you what other screen readers would read; and it only reports what JAWS sees (so you'd still need an accessibility checker, and do user testing). -- Jiatyan Chen From foreigntype at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 11:01:38 2019 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Fri Feb 1 11:02:17 2019 Subject: [Athen] Contact for Pearson Message-ID: Hi all ATHENites, I use one of Pearson's books in the class I teach in assistive technology for CUNY. I need a contact person with a phone #! There is no number or person or even a regional office contact listed on their website. This is my ultimate last ditch effort to find a contact at the publisher so I can update our course textbook adoption and get a desk copy (instructor's copy) of the latest edition. Anyone have any inside info (like phone numbers, names, email addresses) at Pearson they'd be willing to share? Thanks in advance. Wink Harner foreigntype@gmail.com From arovner at shoreline.edu Fri Feb 1 11:25:29 2019 From: arovner at shoreline.edu (Rovner, Amy) Date: Fri Feb 1 11:26:53 2019 Subject: [Athen] Contact for Pearson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Wink, Their "Head of Accessibility" person is Jonathan Thurston. His card doesn't list a phone number but does have his email as Jonathan.Thurston@pearson.com. I hope this helps! Amy -----Original Message----- From: athen-list On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 11:02 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Contact for Pearson Hi all ATHENites, I use one of Pearson's books in the class I teach in assistive technology for CUNY. I need a contact person with a phone #! There is no number or person or even a regional office contact listed on their website. This is my ultimate last ditch effort to find a contact at the publisher so I can update our course textbook adoption and get a desk copy (instructor's copy) of the latest edition. Anyone have any inside info (like phone numbers, names, email addresses) at Pearson they'd be willing to share? Thanks in advance. Wink Harner foreigntype@gmail.com _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From justinr at disability.tamu.edu Fri Feb 1 11:30:07 2019 From: justinr at disability.tamu.edu (Justin Romack) Date: Fri Feb 1 11:30:23 2019 Subject: [Athen] Insight and experience with Notetaking Express Message-ID: Howdy all! I wanted to see if my wise colleagues had any experience working with Notetaking Express? We're evaluating options where accommodations like recording, smartpen or a peer notetaker won't work. Any feedback is welcomed! You're more than welcome to touch base off list, fyi. Thanks, Justin Sent from my iPhone (and most likely transcribed by Siri) From lbencomo at uccs.edu Mon Feb 4 07:58:43 2019 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Mon Feb 4 07:59:47 2019 Subject: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial In-Reply-To: References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02D93E1EC1@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> <000001d4b822$134cb4e0$39e61ea0$@montana.com> Message-ID: I never have enough time to get involved and I should. Currently, my student workers take all ePubs we get and convert them to PDFs every single time. We don?t even bother with ePUBs at all. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Joseph Polizzotto Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 4:38 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi Everyone: There's a lot to say about this topic! I agree with Susan that we need to make our voices heard. This is not an either/ or scenario. If both a PDF and an EPUB exist, we should have the ability to request the format that our students want. That should not be the publishers' decision. At the same time, I think we should continue to encourage publishers' efforts to create accessible versions of their textbooks, whether in EPUB or PDF since that is what will ultimately benefit all readers, our students included. It is really unfortunate that a positive step forward in accessible publishing is coupled with a decision to restrict access to publishers' PDFs. Why? Who has advocated for that? Joseph On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 1:24 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Russell, yes, you are correct. They are getting messages from some that ePub is perfect, wonderful, the NEW WAY! And those voices are loud. Publishers believe those voices. If they?d just asked, they would know that an ePub is a format they can use, sometimes, but that sometimes, they cannot. Bottom line: They need to respond to what our request is for, rather than to push us to a format we didn?t ask for. Also, my voice is loud. We need more loud voices. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi Susan, I agree totally with what you say. We?re in Canada so can?t get Pearson US titles through ATN. We still need to use the online form, which, by the way, now doesn?t accept Canadian postal codes in the form, so we must use 99999, not a big deal, just wonder why. We have been getting the ?this title is available via Vital Source? message back occasionally, and each time we do, we write back with an explanation of why this won?t work for the majority of our students who use RWG. The end up sending us a PDF, but it adds days to the turnaround time. It seems that perhaps publishers are getting mixed messages from people who seem to think that ePub is the best format out there for everyone. Keep up the good fight! Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial I have heard this same crap from Pearson through my contact (which is probably the same). By now, they have heard the ?whys? and yes, they are being literal roadblocks to providing what we ask for. When we request a PDF through ATN, we get it next-day (unless that title is on VitalSource, then we have to do the end run or workaround, which takes weeks, if they even respond at all). So no, they are not ?committed? to getting us what we need. If it isn?t in their tiny little definition of what they want to provide, we get the runaround, and the 20 questions, and really this just delays us getting what we need for our student. That is what I wish they would understand. We aren?t asking for a PDF because we don?t know any better. We are asking for a PDF because that is what we need to do what we do for the student. If anyone wants the contact with Pearson directly, please email me off-list, I?m happy to share my contact?s information. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of George Kerscher Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:29 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hello, I reached out to folks at Pearson to get some clarification. Here is what I was told: Begin email from Pearson rep if a student needs a PDF for accessibility purposes we will provide it. We're not in the business of denying anyone access to what they need for learning. As you are aware we've partnered with Vitalsource to provide accessible ePubs to students and in most cases this does meet their needs. When it doesn't, we ask why - not to "get in the way" but to try to understand the needs of the student in question. While we do ask for "Proof of purchase" it isn't to identify the students - we are as concerned with privacy as anyone else. I'll look at the messaging we use to see if we can do a better job communicating. As to his two week wait. we have internal approval processes in place before we let PDF's out the door. Those processes are in place to help insure that we protect the IP rights of our authors. Sometimes this does slow things down but we are currently active in trying to improve those processes and reduce the time necessary to deliver the PDF's. I hope that helps, please feel free to reach out with any questions. End of email from Pearson rep. I was also told if anybody would like to communicate directly, send me (kerscher@montana.com) and I will forward the request to my contact. Best George From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 10:55 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Just to give you comfort, the same thing has happened to me six times so far. Three of those times, luckily the student fell in love with VitalSource. The other three times, I had to do the proof-of-purchase-big-argument-thing! For me, the bigger problem is when a student?s textbook is an ebook only, integrated with the LMS. Pearson?s beginning to do that a lot now, and so is Cengage. If a student has a book I can scan, then it?s much easier. --Debee From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Sorensen, Neal B Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 1:55 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi All, I?m writing to see if anyone else has encountered a problem like this with (our dear friend) Pearson. Here?s the story. I made a request on AccessText Network for Microeconomics by Pindyck and Rubinfeld, and the request was denied. I received a follow-up e-mail at the same time saying the title is available on VitalSource, and the student could sent a proof-of-purchase directly to Pearson to get a free access code for their book. Now, I have NEVER had to provide a proof-of-purchase to get any book on AccessText Network. Their follow-up also suggested contacting the Pearson disability support office if the student is ?using an assistive technology other than a screen reader.? The request has been approved by their permissions and now I?m just waiting for the book. This is unacceptable of Pearson. Thankfully the student has tried to use textbooks only accessible online before, and knows the PDF is better for his needs. I?ve been waiting almost two weeks now for this book (I got a customer satisfaction survey before I got the book). What is mildly infuriating about all this is that I know they have the book in PDF? I mean, it?s on VitalSource so they have electronic versions! Why not just give me the PDF? Additionally, why would I give Pearson the identity of my student? We are bound to confidentiality, and asking the student to identify themselves to the publisher is not necessary. This just goes to show that the major publishers will always try new ideas that don?t make sense, and that it is important to push back against those ideas when we encounter them! 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Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4084 bytes Desc: image003.jpg URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Mon Feb 4 09:29:24 2019 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Mon Feb 4 09:30:56 2019 Subject: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial In-Reply-To: References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02D93E1EC1@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> <000001d4b822$134cb4e0$39e61ea0$@montana.com> Message-ID: Could you please share how you convert EPUBs to PDF? On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:08 AM Leyna Bencomo wrote: > I never have enough time to get involved and I should. Currently, my > student workers take all ePubs we get and convert them to PDFs every single > time. We don?t even bother with ePUBs at all. > > > > *Leyna Bencomo * > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > > > Office of Information Technology > > University of Colorado Colorado Springs > > 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 > > Colorado Springs, CO 80918 > > (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu > > http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ > > [image: sig logo small] > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Joseph Polizzotto > *Sent:* Thursday, January 31, 2019 4:38 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial > > > > Hi Everyone: > > > > There's a lot to say about this topic! > > > > I agree with Susan that we need to make our voices heard. This is not an > either/ or scenario. If both a PDF and an EPUB exist, we should have the > ability to request the format that our students want. That should not be > the publishers' decision. > > > > At the same time, I think we should continue to encourage publishers' > efforts to create accessible versions of their textbooks, whether in EPUB > or PDF since that is what will ultimately benefit all readers, our students > included. > > > > It is really unfortunate that a positive step forward in accessible > publishing is coupled with a decision to restrict access to publishers' > PDFs. Why? Who has advocated for that? > > > > Joseph > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 1:24 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > Russell, yes, you are correct. They are getting messages from some that > ePub is perfect, wonderful, the NEW WAY! And those voices are loud. > Publishers believe those voices. > > > > If they?d just asked, they would know that an ePub is a format they can > use, sometimes, but that sometimes, they cannot. Bottom line: They need > to respond to what our request is for, rather than to push us to a format > we didn?t ask for. > > > > Also, my voice is loud. We need more loud voices. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Russell Solowoniuk > *Sent:* Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:17 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial > > > > Hi Susan, > > > > I agree totally with what you say. We?re in Canada so can?t get Pearson US > titles through ATN. We still need to use the online form, which, by the > way, now doesn?t accept Canadian postal codes in the form, so we must use > 99999, not a big deal, just wonder why. > > > > We have been getting the ?this title is available via Vital Source? > message back occasionally, and each time we do, we write back with an > explanation of why this won?t work for the majority of our students who use > RWG. The end up sending us a PDF, but it adds days to the turnaround time. > > > > It seems that perhaps publishers are getting mixed messages from people > who seem to think that ePub is the best format out there for everyone. > > > > Keep up the good fight! > > > > Russell > > > > Russell Solowoniuk > > AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities > > MacEwan University > > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > > T: 780-497-5826 > > F: 780-497-4018 > > macewan.ca > > > [image: MacEwan Logo] > > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent > reply, should be deleted or destroyed. > > Please consider the environment before printing this email > > > > *We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory > is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour > and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First > Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home*. > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Susan Kelmer > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:40 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial > > > > I have heard this same crap from Pearson through my contact (which is > probably the same). By now, they have heard the ?whys? and yes, they are > being literal roadblocks to providing what we ask for. > > > > When we request a PDF through ATN, we get it next-day (unless that title > is on VitalSource, then we have to do the end run or workaround, which > takes weeks, if they even respond at all). > > > > So no, they are not ?committed? to getting us what we need. If it isn?t > in their tiny little definition of what they want to provide, we get the > runaround, and the 20 questions, and really this just delays us getting > what we need for our student. That is what I wish they would understand. > We aren?t asking for a PDF because we don?t know any better. We are asking > for a PDF because that is what we need to do what we do for the student. > > > > If anyone wants the contact with Pearson directly, please email me > off-list, I?m happy to share my contact?s information. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *George Kerscher > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:29 PM > *To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial > > > > Hello, > > > > I reached out to folks at Pearson to get some clarification. Here is what > I was told: > > Begin email from Pearson rep > > if a student needs a PDF for accessibility purposes we will provide it. > We're not in the business of denying anyone access to what they need for > learning. As you are aware we've partnered with Vitalsource to provide > accessible ePubs to students and in most cases this does meet their needs. > When it doesn't, we ask why - not to "get in the way" but to try to > understand the needs of the student in question. > > > > While we do ask for "Proof of purchase" it isn't to identify the students > - we are as concerned with privacy as anyone else. I'll look at the > messaging we use to see if we can do a better job communicating. > > > > As to his two week wait. we have internal approval processes in place > before we let PDF's out the door. Those processes are in place to help > insure that we protect the IP rights of our authors. Sometimes this does > slow things down but we are currently active in trying to improve those > processes and reduce the time necessary to deliver the PDF's. > > > > I hope that helps, please feel free to reach out with any questions. > > End of email from Pearson rep. > > > > I was also told if anybody would like to communicate directly, send me ( > kerscher@montana.com) and I will forward the request to my contact. > > > > Best > > George > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Deborah Armstrong > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2019 10:55 AM > *To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial > > > > Just to give you comfort, the same thing has happened to me six times so > far. Three of those times, luckily the student fell in love with > VitalSource. The other three times, I had to do the > proof-of-purchase-big-argument-thing! > > > > For me, the bigger problem is when a student?s textbook is an ebook only, > integrated with the LMS. Pearson?s beginning to do that a lot now, and so > is Cengage. If a student has a book I can scan, then it?s much easier. > > > > --Debee > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Sorensen, Neal B > *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2019 1:55 PM > *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Subject:* [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial > > > > Hi All, > > > > I?m writing to see if anyone else has encountered a problem like this with > (our dear friend) Pearson. Here?s the story. I made a request on AccessText > Network for Microeconomics by Pindyck and Rubinfeld, and the request was > denied. I received a follow-up e-mail at the same time saying the title is > available on VitalSource, and the student could sent a proof-of-purchase > directly to Pearson to get a free access code for their book. Now, I have > NEVER had to provide a proof-of-purchase to get any book on AccessText > Network. Their follow-up also suggested contacting the Pearson disability > support office if the student is ?using an assistive technology other than > a screen reader.? The request has been approved by their permissions and > now I?m just waiting for the book. > > > > This is unacceptable of Pearson. Thankfully the student has tried to use > textbooks only accessible online before, and knows the PDF is better for > his needs. I?ve been waiting almost two weeks now for this book (I got a > customer satisfaction survey before I got the book). What is mildly > infuriating about all this is that I know they have the book in PDF? I > mean, it?s on VitalSource so they have electronic versions! Why not just > give me the PDF? > > > > Additionally, why would I give Pearson the identity of my student? We are > bound to confidentiality, and asking the student to identify themselves to > the publisher is not necessary. This just goes to show that the major > publishers will always try new ideas that don?t make sense, and that it is > important to push back against those ideas when we encounter them! > > > > Neal Sorensen > > Access Specialist > > Accessibility Resources > > Minnesota State University, Mankato > > 132 Memorial Library > > Mankato, MN 56001 > > > > Phone: 507-389-5242 > > FAX: 507-389-1199 > > Email: *neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu * > > > > [image: cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. 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URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Mon Feb 4 10:03:22 2019 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Mon Feb 4 10:03:44 2019 Subject: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial In-Reply-To: References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02D93E1EC1@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> <000001d4b822$134cb4e0$39e61ea0$@montana.com> Message-ID: This will probably get removed from the list, but I use a product called Calibre to break the ePub (it copies it into other formats) into a PDF. Then I break the PDFs into chapters. There are usually no page numbers, which is a huge downside, but if I think the page numbers need to be there, I?ll borrow a print copy of the book and put them in for the student. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 10:29 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Could you please share how you convert EPUBs to PDF? On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:08 AM Leyna Bencomo > wrote: I never have enough time to get involved and I should. Currently, my student workers take all ePubs we get and convert them to PDFs every single time. We don?t even bother with ePUBs at all. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Joseph Polizzotto Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 4:38 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi Everyone: There's a lot to say about this topic! I agree with Susan that we need to make our voices heard. This is not an either/ or scenario. If both a PDF and an EPUB exist, we should have the ability to request the format that our students want. That should not be the publishers' decision. At the same time, I think we should continue to encourage publishers' efforts to create accessible versions of their textbooks, whether in EPUB or PDF since that is what will ultimately benefit all readers, our students included. It is really unfortunate that a positive step forward in accessible publishing is coupled with a decision to restrict access to publishers' PDFs. Why? Who has advocated for that? Joseph On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 1:24 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Russell, yes, you are correct. They are getting messages from some that ePub is perfect, wonderful, the NEW WAY! And those voices are loud. Publishers believe those voices. If they?d just asked, they would know that an ePub is a format they can use, sometimes, but that sometimes, they cannot. Bottom line: They need to respond to what our request is for, rather than to push us to a format we didn?t ask for. Also, my voice is loud. We need more loud voices. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi Susan, I agree totally with what you say. We?re in Canada so can?t get Pearson US titles through ATN. We still need to use the online form, which, by the way, now doesn?t accept Canadian postal codes in the form, so we must use 99999, not a big deal, just wonder why. We have been getting the ?this title is available via Vital Source? message back occasionally, and each time we do, we write back with an explanation of why this won?t work for the majority of our students who use RWG. The end up sending us a PDF, but it adds days to the turnaround time. It seems that perhaps publishers are getting mixed messages from people who seem to think that ePub is the best format out there for everyone. Keep up the good fight! Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial I have heard this same crap from Pearson through my contact (which is probably the same). By now, they have heard the ?whys? and yes, they are being literal roadblocks to providing what we ask for. When we request a PDF through ATN, we get it next-day (unless that title is on VitalSource, then we have to do the end run or workaround, which takes weeks, if they even respond at all). So no, they are not ?committed? to getting us what we need. If it isn?t in their tiny little definition of what they want to provide, we get the runaround, and the 20 questions, and really this just delays us getting what we need for our student. That is what I wish they would understand. We aren?t asking for a PDF because we don?t know any better. We are asking for a PDF because that is what we need to do what we do for the student. If anyone wants the contact with Pearson directly, please email me off-list, I?m happy to share my contact?s information. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of George Kerscher Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:29 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hello, I reached out to folks at Pearson to get some clarification. Here is what I was told: Begin email from Pearson rep if a student needs a PDF for accessibility purposes we will provide it. We're not in the business of denying anyone access to what they need for learning. As you are aware we've partnered with Vitalsource to provide accessible ePubs to students and in most cases this does meet their needs. When it doesn't, we ask why - not to "get in the way" but to try to understand the needs of the student in question. While we do ask for "Proof of purchase" it isn't to identify the students - we are as concerned with privacy as anyone else. I'll look at the messaging we use to see if we can do a better job communicating. As to his two week wait. we have internal approval processes in place before we let PDF's out the door. Those processes are in place to help insure that we protect the IP rights of our authors. Sometimes this does slow things down but we are currently active in trying to improve those processes and reduce the time necessary to deliver the PDF's. I hope that helps, please feel free to reach out with any questions. End of email from Pearson rep. I was also told if anybody would like to communicate directly, send me (kerscher@montana.com) and I will forward the request to my contact. Best George From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 10:55 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Just to give you comfort, the same thing has happened to me six times so far. Three of those times, luckily the student fell in love with VitalSource. The other three times, I had to do the proof-of-purchase-big-argument-thing! For me, the bigger problem is when a student?s textbook is an ebook only, integrated with the LMS. Pearson?s beginning to do that a lot now, and so is Cengage. If a student has a book I can scan, then it?s much easier. --Debee From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Sorensen, Neal B Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 1:55 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi All, I?m writing to see if anyone else has encountered a problem like this with (our dear friend) Pearson. Here?s the story. I made a request on AccessText Network for Microeconomics by Pindyck and Rubinfeld, and the request was denied. I received a follow-up e-mail at the same time saying the title is available on VitalSource, and the student could sent a proof-of-purchase directly to Pearson to get a free access code for their book. Now, I have NEVER had to provide a proof-of-purchase to get any book on AccessText Network. Their follow-up also suggested contacting the Pearson disability support office if the student is ?using an assistive technology other than a screen reader.? The request has been approved by their permissions and now I?m just waiting for the book. This is unacceptable of Pearson. Thankfully the student has tried to use textbooks only accessible online before, and knows the PDF is better for his needs. I?ve been waiting almost two weeks now for this book (I got a customer satisfaction survey before I got the book). What is mildly infuriating about all this is that I know they have the book in PDF? I mean, it?s on VitalSource so they have electronic versions! Why not just give me the PDF? Additionally, why would I give Pearson the identity of my student? We are bound to confidentiality, and asking the student to identify themselves to the publisher is not necessary. This just goes to show that the major publishers will always try new ideas that don?t make sense, and that it is important to push back against those ideas when we encounter them! Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Alternate Media Supervisor Disabled Students' Program University of California, Berkeley https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ (510) 642-0329 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15239 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4084 bytes Desc: image003.jpg URL: From adwershing at pstcc.edu Mon Feb 4 10:06:33 2019 From: adwershing at pstcc.edu (Wershing, Alice D.) Date: Mon Feb 4 10:07:32 2019 Subject: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial In-Reply-To: References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02D93E1EC1@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> <000001d4b822$134cb4e0$39e61ea0$@montana.com> Message-ID: I am using Calibre. It seems to work well. Alice Wershing Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.A.C. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7699 (fax) East TN Region Accessibility Specialist Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus PSCC Access for All Blog PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page (PSCC-Disability Services) PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed (@Access4allPSCC) From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Monday, February 04, 2019 12:29 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Could you please share how you convert EPUBs to PDF? On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:08 AM Leyna Bencomo > wrote: I never have enough time to get involved and I should. Currently, my student workers take all ePubs we get and convert them to PDFs every single time. We don?t even bother with ePUBs at all. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Joseph Polizzotto Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 4:38 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi Everyone: There's a lot to say about this topic! I agree with Susan that we need to make our voices heard. This is not an either/ or scenario. If both a PDF and an EPUB exist, we should have the ability to request the format that our students want. That should not be the publishers' decision. At the same time, I think we should continue to encourage publishers' efforts to create accessible versions of their textbooks, whether in EPUB or PDF since that is what will ultimately benefit all readers, our students included. It is really unfortunate that a positive step forward in accessible publishing is coupled with a decision to restrict access to publishers' PDFs. Why? Who has advocated for that? Joseph On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 1:24 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Russell, yes, you are correct. They are getting messages from some that ePub is perfect, wonderful, the NEW WAY! And those voices are loud. Publishers believe those voices. If they?d just asked, they would know that an ePub is a format they can use, sometimes, but that sometimes, they cannot. Bottom line: They need to respond to what our request is for, rather than to push us to a format we didn?t ask for. Also, my voice is loud. We need more loud voices. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi Susan, I agree totally with what you say. We?re in Canada so can?t get Pearson US titles through ATN. We still need to use the online form, which, by the way, now doesn?t accept Canadian postal codes in the form, so we must use 99999, not a big deal, just wonder why. We have been getting the ?this title is available via Vital Source? message back occasionally, and each time we do, we write back with an explanation of why this won?t work for the majority of our students who use RWG. The end up sending us a PDF, but it adds days to the turnaround time. It seems that perhaps publishers are getting mixed messages from people who seem to think that ePub is the best format out there for everyone. Keep up the good fight! Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial I have heard this same crap from Pearson through my contact (which is probably the same). By now, they have heard the ?whys? and yes, they are being literal roadblocks to providing what we ask for. When we request a PDF through ATN, we get it next-day (unless that title is on VitalSource, then we have to do the end run or workaround, which takes weeks, if they even respond at all). So no, they are not ?committed? to getting us what we need. If it isn?t in their tiny little definition of what they want to provide, we get the runaround, and the 20 questions, and really this just delays us getting what we need for our student. That is what I wish they would understand. We aren?t asking for a PDF because we don?t know any better. We are asking for a PDF because that is what we need to do what we do for the student. If anyone wants the contact with Pearson directly, please email me off-list, I?m happy to share my contact?s information. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of George Kerscher Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:29 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hello, I reached out to folks at Pearson to get some clarification. Here is what I was told: Begin email from Pearson rep if a student needs a PDF for accessibility purposes we will provide it. We're not in the business of denying anyone access to what they need for learning. As you are aware we've partnered with Vitalsource to provide accessible ePubs to students and in most cases this does meet their needs. When it doesn't, we ask why - not to "get in the way" but to try to understand the needs of the student in question. While we do ask for "Proof of purchase" it isn't to identify the students - we are as concerned with privacy as anyone else. I'll look at the messaging we use to see if we can do a better job communicating. As to his two week wait. we have internal approval processes in place before we let PDF's out the door. Those processes are in place to help insure that we protect the IP rights of our authors. Sometimes this does slow things down but we are currently active in trying to improve those processes and reduce the time necessary to deliver the PDF's. I hope that helps, please feel free to reach out with any questions. End of email from Pearson rep. I was also told if anybody would like to communicate directly, send me (kerscher@montana.com) and I will forward the request to my contact. Best George From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 10:55 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Just to give you comfort, the same thing has happened to me six times so far. Three of those times, luckily the student fell in love with VitalSource. The other three times, I had to do the proof-of-purchase-big-argument-thing! For me, the bigger problem is when a student?s textbook is an ebook only, integrated with the LMS. Pearson?s beginning to do that a lot now, and so is Cengage. If a student has a book I can scan, then it?s much easier. --Debee From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Sorensen, Neal B Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 1:55 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi All, I?m writing to see if anyone else has encountered a problem like this with (our dear friend) Pearson. Here?s the story. I made a request on AccessText Network for Microeconomics by Pindyck and Rubinfeld, and the request was denied. I received a follow-up e-mail at the same time saying the title is available on VitalSource, and the student could sent a proof-of-purchase directly to Pearson to get a free access code for their book. Now, I have NEVER had to provide a proof-of-purchase to get any book on AccessText Network. Their follow-up also suggested contacting the Pearson disability support office if the student is ?using an assistive technology other than a screen reader.? The request has been approved by their permissions and now I?m just waiting for the book. This is unacceptable of Pearson. Thankfully the student has tried to use textbooks only accessible online before, and knows the PDF is better for his needs. I?ve been waiting almost two weeks now for this book (I got a customer satisfaction survey before I got the book). What is mildly infuriating about all this is that I know they have the book in PDF? I mean, it?s on VitalSource so they have electronic versions! Why not just give me the PDF? Additionally, why would I give Pearson the identity of my student? We are bound to confidentiality, and asking the student to identify themselves to the publisher is not necessary. This just goes to show that the major publishers will always try new ideas that don?t make sense, and that it is important to push back against those ideas when we encounter them! Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4084 bytes Desc: image003.jpg URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Mon Feb 4 10:12:37 2019 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Mon Feb 4 10:13:05 2019 Subject: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial In-Reply-To: References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02D93E1EC1@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> <000001d4b822$134cb4e0$39e61ea0$@montana.com> Message-ID: It does work well. I?m just peeved we have to do this kind of end-run to get the output the student needs. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 11:07 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial I am using Calibre. It seems to work well. Alice Wershing Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.A.C. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7699 (fax) East TN Region Accessibility Specialist Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus PSCC Access for All Blog PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page (PSCC-Disability Services) PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed (@Access4allPSCC) From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Monday, February 04, 2019 12:29 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Could you please share how you convert EPUBs to PDF? On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:08 AM Leyna Bencomo > wrote: I never have enough time to get involved and I should. Currently, my student workers take all ePubs we get and convert them to PDFs every single time. We don?t even bother with ePUBs at all. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Joseph Polizzotto Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 4:38 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi Everyone: There's a lot to say about this topic! I agree with Susan that we need to make our voices heard. This is not an either/ or scenario. If both a PDF and an EPUB exist, we should have the ability to request the format that our students want. That should not be the publishers' decision. At the same time, I think we should continue to encourage publishers' efforts to create accessible versions of their textbooks, whether in EPUB or PDF since that is what will ultimately benefit all readers, our students included. It is really unfortunate that a positive step forward in accessible publishing is coupled with a decision to restrict access to publishers' PDFs. Why? Who has advocated for that? Joseph On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 1:24 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Russell, yes, you are correct. They are getting messages from some that ePub is perfect, wonderful, the NEW WAY! And those voices are loud. Publishers believe those voices. If they?d just asked, they would know that an ePub is a format they can use, sometimes, but that sometimes, they cannot. Bottom line: They need to respond to what our request is for, rather than to push us to a format we didn?t ask for. Also, my voice is loud. We need more loud voices. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi Susan, I agree totally with what you say. We?re in Canada so can?t get Pearson US titles through ATN. We still need to use the online form, which, by the way, now doesn?t accept Canadian postal codes in the form, so we must use 99999, not a big deal, just wonder why. We have been getting the ?this title is available via Vital Source? message back occasionally, and each time we do, we write back with an explanation of why this won?t work for the majority of our students who use RWG. The end up sending us a PDF, but it adds days to the turnaround time. It seems that perhaps publishers are getting mixed messages from people who seem to think that ePub is the best format out there for everyone. Keep up the good fight! Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca [MacEwan Logo] This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial I have heard this same crap from Pearson through my contact (which is probably the same). By now, they have heard the ?whys? and yes, they are being literal roadblocks to providing what we ask for. When we request a PDF through ATN, we get it next-day (unless that title is on VitalSource, then we have to do the end run or workaround, which takes weeks, if they even respond at all). So no, they are not ?committed? to getting us what we need. If it isn?t in their tiny little definition of what they want to provide, we get the runaround, and the 20 questions, and really this just delays us getting what we need for our student. That is what I wish they would understand. We aren?t asking for a PDF because we don?t know any better. We are asking for a PDF because that is what we need to do what we do for the student. If anyone wants the contact with Pearson directly, please email me off-list, I?m happy to share my contact?s information. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of George Kerscher Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:29 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hello, I reached out to folks at Pearson to get some clarification. Here is what I was told: Begin email from Pearson rep if a student needs a PDF for accessibility purposes we will provide it. We're not in the business of denying anyone access to what they need for learning. As you are aware we've partnered with Vitalsource to provide accessible ePubs to students and in most cases this does meet their needs. When it doesn't, we ask why - not to "get in the way" but to try to understand the needs of the student in question. While we do ask for "Proof of purchase" it isn't to identify the students - we are as concerned with privacy as anyone else. I'll look at the messaging we use to see if we can do a better job communicating. As to his two week wait. we have internal approval processes in place before we let PDF's out the door. Those processes are in place to help insure that we protect the IP rights of our authors. Sometimes this does slow things down but we are currently active in trying to improve those processes and reduce the time necessary to deliver the PDF's. I hope that helps, please feel free to reach out with any questions. End of email from Pearson rep. I was also told if anybody would like to communicate directly, send me (kerscher@montana.com) and I will forward the request to my contact. Best George From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 10:55 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Just to give you comfort, the same thing has happened to me six times so far. Three of those times, luckily the student fell in love with VitalSource. The other three times, I had to do the proof-of-purchase-big-argument-thing! For me, the bigger problem is when a student?s textbook is an ebook only, integrated with the LMS. Pearson?s beginning to do that a lot now, and so is Cengage. If a student has a book I can scan, then it?s much easier. --Debee From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Sorensen, Neal B Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 1:55 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi All, I?m writing to see if anyone else has encountered a problem like this with (our dear friend) Pearson. Here?s the story. I made a request on AccessText Network for Microeconomics by Pindyck and Rubinfeld, and the request was denied. I received a follow-up e-mail at the same time saying the title is available on VitalSource, and the student could sent a proof-of-purchase directly to Pearson to get a free access code for their book. Now, I have NEVER had to provide a proof-of-purchase to get any book on AccessText Network. Their follow-up also suggested contacting the Pearson disability support office if the student is ?using an assistive technology other than a screen reader.? The request has been approved by their permissions and now I?m just waiting for the book. This is unacceptable of Pearson. Thankfully the student has tried to use textbooks only accessible online before, and knows the PDF is better for his needs. I?ve been waiting almost two weeks now for this book (I got a customer satisfaction survey before I got the book). What is mildly infuriating about all this is that I know they have the book in PDF? I mean, it?s on VitalSource so they have electronic versions! Why not just give me the PDF? Additionally, why would I give Pearson the identity of my student? We are bound to confidentiality, and asking the student to identify themselves to the publisher is not necessary. This just goes to show that the major publishers will always try new ideas that don?t make sense, and that it is important to push back against those ideas when we encounter them! Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Alternate Media Supervisor Disabled Students' Program University of California, Berkeley https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ (510) 642-0329 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15239 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4084 bytes Desc: image003.jpg URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Mon Feb 4 11:50:20 2019 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Mon Feb 4 11:50:38 2019 Subject: [Athen] Anyone have files for this book? Message-ID: We got a denial of files, so looking to see if anyone has this before I cut the student's book. Computer Systems 3rd Bryant/O'Halloran 97801340892669 Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Mon Feb 4 11:52:24 2019 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com) Date: Mon Feb 4 11:53:08 2019 Subject: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial In-Reply-To: References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02D93E1EC1@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> <000001d4b822$134cb4e0$39e61ea0$@montana.com> Message-ID: <00b201d4bcc3$26279580$7276c080$@pubcom.com> So when you buy a car, do you buy your own tires or does the car come with tires? When you buy a printed book, do you buy your own separate cover? As I?ve said at the conferences, YOU are the customer. You have the right to ask for the formats you need in order to meet the needs of your students. It is not difficult to produce accessible PDFs and EPUBs from an InDesign layout file. My firm does this every day. And I teach this at AGH and through my firm nearly every month (next week, in fact, www.pubcom.com/classes ) I don?t know how a publisher could stay in business today without providing the different file formats their customers want (and need). Just look at Amazon as a model: print, EPUB, Kindle, PDF. (not the greatest model, considering their proprietary Kindle format and the accessibility problems.) Keep pushing! Someday your vendors will get the message. ?Bevi PS: Maybe that?s a new class topic my firm needs to develop: how to break an EPUB into PDFs or editable text. Hmmm. We already teach how to break PDFs into editable text. ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 1:03 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network ; rspangler1@udayton.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial This will probably get removed from the list, but I use a product called Calibre to break the ePub (it copies it into other formats) into a PDF. Then I break the PDFs into chapters. There are usually no page numbers, which is a huge downside, but if I think the page numbers need to be there, I?ll borrow a print copy of the book and put them in for the student. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 10:29 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Could you please share how you convert EPUBs to PDF? On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:08 AM Leyna Bencomo > wrote: I never have enough time to get involved and I should. Currently, my student workers take all ePubs we get and convert them to PDFs every single time. We don?t even bother with ePUBs at all. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Joseph Polizzotto Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 4:38 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi Everyone: There's a lot to say about this topic! I agree with Susan that we need to make our voices heard. This is not an either/ or scenario. If both a PDF and an EPUB exist, we should have the ability to request the format that our students want. That should not be the publishers' decision. At the same time, I think we should continue to encourage publishers' efforts to create accessible versions of their textbooks, whether in EPUB or PDF since that is what will ultimately benefit all readers, our students included. It is really unfortunate that a positive step forward in accessible publishing is coupled with a decision to restrict access to publishers' PDFs. Why? Who has advocated for that? Joseph On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 1:24 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Russell, yes, you are correct. They are getting messages from some that ePub is perfect, wonderful, the NEW WAY! And those voices are loud. Publishers believe those voices. If they?d just asked, they would know that an ePub is a format they can use, sometimes, but that sometimes, they cannot. Bottom line: They need to respond to what our request is for, rather than to push us to a format we didn?t ask for. Also, my voice is loud. We need more loud voices. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi Susan, I agree totally with what you say. We?re in Canada so can?t get Pearson US titles through ATN. We still need to use the online form, which, by the way, now doesn?t accept Canadian postal codes in the form, so we must use 99999, not a big deal, just wonder why. We have been getting the ?this title is available via Vital Source? message back occasionally, and each time we do, we write back with an explanation of why this won?t work for the majority of our students who use RWG. The end up sending us a PDF, but it adds days to the turnaround time. It seems that perhaps publishers are getting mixed messages from people who seem to think that ePub is the best format out there for everyone. Keep up the good fight! Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial I have heard this same crap from Pearson through my contact (which is probably the same). By now, they have heard the ?whys? and yes, they are being literal roadblocks to providing what we ask for. When we request a PDF through ATN, we get it next-day (unless that title is on VitalSource, then we have to do the end run or workaround, which takes weeks, if they even respond at all). So no, they are not ?committed? to getting us what we need. If it isn?t in their tiny little definition of what they want to provide, we get the runaround, and the 20 questions, and really this just delays us getting what we need for our student. That is what I wish they would understand. We aren?t asking for a PDF because we don?t know any better. We are asking for a PDF because that is what we need to do what we do for the student. If anyone wants the contact with Pearson directly, please email me off-list, I?m happy to share my contact?s information. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of George Kerscher Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:29 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hello, I reached out to folks at Pearson to get some clarification. Here is what I was told: Begin email from Pearson rep if a student needs a PDF for accessibility purposes we will provide it. We're not in the business of denying anyone access to what they need for learning. As you are aware we've partnered with Vitalsource to provide accessible ePubs to students and in most cases this does meet their needs. When it doesn't, we ask why - not to "get in the way" but to try to understand the needs of the student in question. While we do ask for "Proof of purchase" it isn't to identify the students - we are as concerned with privacy as anyone else. I'll look at the messaging we use to see if we can do a better job communicating. As to his two week wait. we have internal approval processes in place before we let PDF's out the door. Those processes are in place to help insure that we protect the IP rights of our authors. Sometimes this does slow things down but we are currently active in trying to improve those processes and reduce the time necessary to deliver the PDF's. I hope that helps, please feel free to reach out with any questions. End of email from Pearson rep. I was also told if anybody would like to communicate directly, send me (kerscher@montana.com ) and I will forward the request to my contact. Best George From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 10:55 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Just to give you comfort, the same thing has happened to me six times so far. Three of those times, luckily the student fell in love with VitalSource. The other three times, I had to do the proof-of-purchase-big-argument-thing! For me, the bigger problem is when a student?s textbook is an ebook only, integrated with the LMS. Pearson?s beginning to do that a lot now, and so is Cengage. If a student has a book I can scan, then it?s much easier. --Debee From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Sorensen, Neal B Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 1:55 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi All, I?m writing to see if anyone else has encountered a problem like this with (our dear friend) Pearson. Here?s the story. I made a request on AccessText Network for Microeconomics by Pindyck and Rubinfeld, and the request was denied. I received a follow-up e-mail at the same time saying the title is available on VitalSource, and the student could sent a proof-of-purchase directly to Pearson to get a free access code for their book. Now, I have NEVER had to provide a proof-of-purchase to get any book on AccessText Network. Their follow-up also suggested contacting the Pearson disability support office if the student is ?using an assistive technology other than a screen reader.? The request has been approved by their permissions and now I?m just waiting for the book. This is unacceptable of Pearson. Thankfully the student has tried to use textbooks only accessible online before, and knows the PDF is better for his needs. I?ve been waiting almost two weeks now for this book (I got a customer satisfaction survey before I got the book). What is mildly infuriating about all this is that I know they have the book in PDF? I mean, it?s on VitalSource so they have electronic versions! Why not just give me the PDF? Additionally, why would I give Pearson the identity of my student? We are bound to confidentiality, and asking the student to identify themselves to the publisher is not necessary. This just goes to show that the major publishers will always try new ideas that don?t make sense, and that it is important to push back against those ideas when we encounter them! Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15239 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4084 bytes Desc: not available URL: From neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu Mon Feb 4 12:45:53 2019 From: neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu (Sorensen, Neal B) Date: Mon Feb 4 12:46:22 2019 Subject: [Athen] Anyone have files for this book? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Susan, It's on Bookshare. I know that's not the best. But it's there... https://www.bookshare.org/search?keyword=978-0134092669 Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 1:50 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Anyone have files for this book? We got a denial of files, so looking to see if anyone has this before I cut the student's book. Computer Systems 3rd Bryant/O'Halloran 97801340892669 Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4084 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From llewis at paciellogroup.com Mon Feb 4 13:03:16 2019 From: llewis at paciellogroup.com (Larry L. Lewis, Jr.) Date: Mon Feb 4 13:02:15 2019 Subject: [Athen] JAWS inspect - what It is, and What it is not Message-ID: <00fc01d4bccd$0cbcbbc0$26363340$@paciellogroup.com> Greetings folks: I'm new to this list. My name is Larry Lewis, and I work for The Paciello Group. I've been in the Assistive Technology/Accessibility space for over 25 years and know many of you from different times in my career. I'm looking forward to learning from many of you through your questions, announcements, perspectives, etc. It is not my intent to monompolize this list from the standpoint of an accessibility vendor, but due to a lot of traffic regarding JAWS Inspect. As the person who is responsible for positioning this tool for TPG, allow me to clarify what it is, and what it is not. JAWS Inspect is a fantastic visual tool for individuals who test web content for those who use the JAWS for Windows screenreader. This tool visualizes Jaws output for a sighted tester or web developer, associating transcripts of what the screenreader speaks with corresponding screenshots and code snippets for testers and developers to review. It's a one of a kind testing tool which demonstrates an immediate impact on accessibility with rapid roll-out and minimal training. Check out this video of the product in action! JAWS Inspect is also fully accessible for the vision impaired user who wishes to use the tool and share results with other sighted colleagues. JAWS Inspect is a visual way to conduct manual screenreader testing. It is not a compliance tool that automatically scans code, nor does it link any identified usability defects to WCAG Criteria. It's just one of a number of testing tools that makes manual testing of desktop web and PDF content much more seamless and efficient for QA testers, developers, and project managers. Please feel free to contact me off list using any of the details below for more specific information. And, thank you for taking the time to read this post. Warmest Regards: Larry L. 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Most of us who have been involved in the alt-text conversion end of things for some time know how to use Calibre to convert a PDF to an EPUB or another type of electronic text file as that was one of our biggest challenges a number of years ago when we got PDF files and the students wanted/needed them in an e-book format. Now the flip has happened and we're faced with having EPUBS and ebooks galore and our source files work best starting with a PDF as the base. I would encourage you to develop such a mini-course or how-to guide. Inquiring minds want to know! Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:53 AM wrote: > So when you buy a car, do you buy your own tires or does the car come with > tires? > > When you buy a printed book, do you buy your own separate cover? > > > > As I?ve said at the conferences, YOU are the customer. You have the right > to ask for the formats you need in order to meet the needs of your students. > > > > It is not difficult to produce accessible PDFs and EPUBs from an InDesign > layout file. My firm does this every day. And I teach this at AGH and > through my firm nearly every month (next week, in fact, > www.pubcom.com/classes) > > > > I don?t know how a publisher could stay in business today without > providing the different file formats their customers want (and need). Just > look at Amazon as a model: print, EPUB, Kindle, PDF. (not the greatest > model, considering their proprietary Kindle format and the accessibility > problems.) > > > > Keep pushing! Someday your vendors will get the message. > > > > ?Bevi > > > > PS: Maybe that?s a new class topic my firm needs to develop: how to break > an EPUB into PDFs or editable text. Hmmm. We already teach how to break > PDFs into editable text. > > > > *? ? ?* > > Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO *|* Bevi@PubCom.com > > *? ? ?* > > *PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing* > > consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services > > *Upcoming classes* at www.PubCom.com/*classes* > > > *? ? ?* > > *Latest* blog-newsletter > > ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Susan Kelmer > *Sent:* Monday, February 4, 2019 1:03 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu>; rspangler1@udayton.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing > VitalSource after ATN denial > > > > This will probably get removed from the list, but I use a product called > Calibre to break the ePub (it copies it into other formats) into a PDF. > Then I break the PDFs into chapters. There are usually no page numbers, > which is a huge downside, but if I think the page numbers need to be there, > I?ll borrow a print copy of the book and put them in for the student. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Monday, February 4, 2019 10:29 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing > VitalSource after ATN denial > > > > Could you please share how you convert EPUBs to PDF? > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:08 AM Leyna Bencomo wrote: > > I never have enough time to get involved and I should. Currently, my > student workers take all ePubs we get and convert them to PDFs every single > time. We don?t even bother with ePUBs at all. > > > > *Leyna Bencomo * > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > > > Office of Information Technology > > University of Colorado Colorado Springs > > 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 > > Colorado Springs, CO 80918 > > (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu > > http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ > > [image: sig logo small] > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Joseph Polizzotto > *Sent:* Thursday, January 31, 2019 4:38 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial > > > > Hi Everyone: > > > > There's a lot to say about this topic! > > > > I agree with Susan that we need to make our voices heard. This is not an > either/ or scenario. If both a PDF and an EPUB exist, we should have the > ability to request the format that our students want. That should not be > the publishers' decision. > > > > At the same time, I think we should continue to encourage publishers' > efforts to create accessible versions of their textbooks, whether in EPUB > or PDF since that is what will ultimately benefit all readers, our students > included. > > > > It is really unfortunate that a positive step forward in accessible > publishing is coupled with a decision to restrict access to publishers' > PDFs. Why? Who has advocated for that? > > > > Joseph > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 1:24 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > Russell, yes, you are correct. They are getting messages from some that > ePub is perfect, wonderful, the NEW WAY! And those voices are loud. > Publishers believe those voices. > > > > If they?d just asked, they would know that an ePub is a format they can > use, sometimes, but that sometimes, they cannot. Bottom line: They need > to respond to what our request is for, rather than to push us to a format > we didn?t ask for. > > > > Also, my voice is loud. We need more loud voices. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Russell Solowoniuk > *Sent:* Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:17 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial > > > > Hi Susan, > > > > I agree totally with what you say. We?re in Canada so can?t get Pearson US > titles through ATN. We still need to use the online form, which, by the > way, now doesn?t accept Canadian postal codes in the form, so we must use > 99999, not a big deal, just wonder why. > > > > We have been getting the ?this title is available via Vital Source? > message back occasionally, and each time we do, we write back with an > explanation of why this won?t work for the majority of our students who use > RWG. The end up sending us a PDF, but it adds days to the turnaround time. > > > > It seems that perhaps publishers are getting mixed messages from people > who seem to think that ePub is the best format out there for everyone. > > > > Keep up the good fight! > > > > Russell > > > > Russell Solowoniuk > > AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities > > MacEwan University > > 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. > > Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 > > E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca > > T: 780-497-5826 > > F: 780-497-4018 > > macewan.ca > > > [image: MacEwan Logo] > > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent > reply, should be deleted or destroyed. > > Please consider the environment before printing this email > > > > *We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory > is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour > and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First > Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home*. > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Susan Kelmer > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:40 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial > > > > I have heard this same crap from Pearson through my contact (which is > probably the same). By now, they have heard the ?whys? and yes, they are > being literal roadblocks to providing what we ask for. > > > > When we request a PDF through ATN, we get it next-day (unless that title > is on VitalSource, then we have to do the end run or workaround, which > takes weeks, if they even respond at all). > > > > So no, they are not ?committed? to getting us what we need. If it isn?t > in their tiny little definition of what they want to provide, we get the > runaround, and the 20 questions, and really this just delays us getting > what we need for our student. That is what I wish they would understand. > We aren?t asking for a PDF because we don?t know any better. We are asking > for a PDF because that is what we need to do what we do for the student. > > > > If anyone wants the contact with Pearson directly, please email me > off-list, I?m happy to share my contact?s information. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *George Kerscher > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:29 PM > *To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial > > > > Hello, > > > > I reached out to folks at Pearson to get some clarification. Here is what > I was told: > > Begin email from Pearson rep > > if a student needs a PDF for accessibility purposes we will provide it. > We're not in the business of denying anyone access to what they need for > learning. As you are aware we've partnered with Vitalsource to provide > accessible ePubs to students and in most cases this does meet their needs. > When it doesn't, we ask why - not to "get in the way" but to try to > understand the needs of the student in question. > > > > While we do ask for "Proof of purchase" it isn't to identify the students > - we are as concerned with privacy as anyone else. I'll look at the > messaging we use to see if we can do a better job communicating. > > > > As to his two week wait. we have internal approval processes in place > before we let PDF's out the door. Those processes are in place to help > insure that we protect the IP rights of our authors. Sometimes this does > slow things down but we are currently active in trying to improve those > processes and reduce the time necessary to deliver the PDF's. > > > > I hope that helps, please feel free to reach out with any questions. > > End of email from Pearson rep. > > > > I was also told if anybody would like to communicate directly, send me ( > kerscher@montana.com) and I will forward the request to my contact. > > > > Best > > George > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Deborah Armstrong > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2019 10:55 AM > *To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial > > > > Just to give you comfort, the same thing has happened to me six times so > far. Three of those times, luckily the student fell in love with > VitalSource. The other three times, I had to do the > proof-of-purchase-big-argument-thing! > > > > For me, the bigger problem is when a student?s textbook is an ebook only, > integrated with the LMS. Pearson?s beginning to do that a lot now, and so > is Cengage. If a student has a book I can scan, then it?s much easier. > > > > --Debee > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Sorensen, Neal B > *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2019 1:55 PM > *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Subject:* [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial > > > > Hi All, > > > > I?m writing to see if anyone else has encountered a problem like this with > (our dear friend) Pearson. Here?s the story. I made a request on AccessText > Network for Microeconomics by Pindyck and Rubinfeld, and the request was > denied. I received a follow-up e-mail at the same time saying the title is > available on VitalSource, and the student could sent a proof-of-purchase > directly to Pearson to get a free access code for their book. Now, I have > NEVER had to provide a proof-of-purchase to get any book on AccessText > Network. Their follow-up also suggested contacting the Pearson disability > support office if the student is ?using an assistive technology other than > a screen reader.? The request has been approved by their permissions and > now I?m just waiting for the book. > > > > This is unacceptable of Pearson. Thankfully the student has tried to use > textbooks only accessible online before, and knows the PDF is better for > his needs. I?ve been waiting almost two weeks now for this book (I got a > customer satisfaction survey before I got the book). What is mildly > infuriating about all this is that I know they have the book in PDF? I > mean, it?s on VitalSource so they have electronic versions! Why not just > give me the PDF? > > > > Additionally, why would I give Pearson the identity of my student? We are > bound to confidentiality, and asking the student to identify themselves to > the publisher is not necessary. This just goes to show that the major > publishers will always try new ideas that don?t make sense, and that it is > important to push back against those ideas when we encounter them! > > > > Neal Sorensen > > Access Specialist > > Accessibility Resources > > Minnesota State University, Mankato > > 132 Memorial Library > > Mankato, MN 56001 > > > > Phone: 507-389-5242 > > FAX: 507-389-1199 > > Email: *neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu * > > > > [image: cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. 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I?m just peeved we have to do this kind of end-run to get the output the student needs. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 11:07 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial I am using Calibre. It seems to work well. Alice Wershing Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.A.C. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7699 (fax) East TN Region Accessibility Specialist Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus PSCC Access for All Blog PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page (PSCC-Disability Services) PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed (@Access4allPSCC) From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Monday, February 04, 2019 12:29 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Could you please share how you convert EPUBs to PDF? On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:08 AM Leyna Bencomo > wrote: I never have enough time to get involved and I should. Currently, my student workers take all ePubs we get and convert them to PDFs every single time. We don?t even bother with ePUBs at all. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Joseph Polizzotto Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 4:38 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi Everyone: There's a lot to say about this topic! I agree with Susan that we need to make our voices heard. This is not an either/ or scenario. If both a PDF and an EPUB exist, we should have the ability to request the format that our students want. That should not be the publishers' decision. At the same time, I think we should continue to encourage publishers' efforts to create accessible versions of their textbooks, whether in EPUB or PDF since that is what will ultimately benefit all readers, our students included. It is really unfortunate that a positive step forward in accessible publishing is coupled with a decision to restrict access to publishers' PDFs. Why? Who has advocated for that? Joseph On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 1:24 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Russell, yes, you are correct. They are getting messages from some that ePub is perfect, wonderful, the NEW WAY! And those voices are loud. Publishers believe those voices. If they?d just asked, they would know that an ePub is a format they can use, sometimes, but that sometimes, they cannot. Bottom line: They need to respond to what our request is for, rather than to push us to a format we didn?t ask for. Also, my voice is loud. We need more loud voices. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi Susan, I agree totally with what you say. We?re in Canada so can?t get Pearson US titles through ATN. We still need to use the online form, which, by the way, now doesn?t accept Canadian postal codes in the form, so we must use 99999, not a big deal, just wonder why. We have been getting the ?this title is available via Vital Source? message back occasionally, and each time we do, we write back with an explanation of why this won?t work for the majority of our students who use RWG. The end up sending us a PDF, but it adds days to the turnaround time. It seems that perhaps publishers are getting mixed messages from people who seem to think that ePub is the best format out there for everyone. Keep up the good fight! Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial I have heard this same crap from Pearson through my contact (which is probably the same). By now, they have heard the ?whys? and yes, they are being literal roadblocks to providing what we ask for. When we request a PDF through ATN, we get it next-day (unless that title is on VitalSource, then we have to do the end run or workaround, which takes weeks, if they even respond at all). So no, they are not ?committed? to getting us what we need. If it isn?t in their tiny little definition of what they want to provide, we get the runaround, and the 20 questions, and really this just delays us getting what we need for our student. That is what I wish they would understand. We aren?t asking for a PDF because we don?t know any better. We are asking for a PDF because that is what we need to do what we do for the student. If anyone wants the contact with Pearson directly, please email me off-list, I?m happy to share my contact?s information. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of George Kerscher Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:29 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hello, I reached out to folks at Pearson to get some clarification. Here is what I was told: Begin email from Pearson rep if a student needs a PDF for accessibility purposes we will provide it. We're not in the business of denying anyone access to what they need for learning. As you are aware we've partnered with Vitalsource to provide accessible ePubs to students and in most cases this does meet their needs. When it doesn't, we ask why - not to "get in the way" but to try to understand the needs of the student in question. While we do ask for "Proof of purchase" it isn't to identify the students - we are as concerned with privacy as anyone else. I'll look at the messaging we use to see if we can do a better job communicating. As to his two week wait. we have internal approval processes in place before we let PDF's out the door. Those processes are in place to help insure that we protect the IP rights of our authors. Sometimes this does slow things down but we are currently active in trying to improve those processes and reduce the time necessary to deliver the PDF's. I hope that helps, please feel free to reach out with any questions. End of email from Pearson rep. I was also told if anybody would like to communicate directly, send me (kerscher@montana.com ) and I will forward the request to my contact. Best George From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 10:55 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Just to give you comfort, the same thing has happened to me six times so far. Three of those times, luckily the student fell in love with VitalSource. The other three times, I had to do the proof-of-purchase-big-argument-thing! For me, the bigger problem is when a student?s textbook is an ebook only, integrated with the LMS. Pearson?s beginning to do that a lot now, and so is Cengage. If a student has a book I can scan, then it?s much easier. --Debee From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Sorensen, Neal B Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 1:55 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi All, I?m writing to see if anyone else has encountered a problem like this with (our dear friend) Pearson. Here?s the story. I made a request on AccessText Network for Microeconomics by Pindyck and Rubinfeld, and the request was denied. I received a follow-up e-mail at the same time saying the title is available on VitalSource, and the student could sent a proof-of-purchase directly to Pearson to get a free access code for their book. Now, I have NEVER had to provide a proof-of-purchase to get any book on AccessText Network. Their follow-up also suggested contacting the Pearson disability support office if the student is ?using an assistive technology other than a screen reader.? The request has been approved by their permissions and now I?m just waiting for the book. This is unacceptable of Pearson. Thankfully the student has tried to use textbooks only accessible online before, and knows the PDF is better for his needs. I?ve been waiting almost two weeks now for this book (I got a customer satisfaction survey before I got the book). What is mildly infuriating about all this is that I know they have the book in PDF? I mean, it?s on VitalSource so they have electronic versions! Why not just give me the PDF? Additionally, why would I give Pearson the identity of my student? We are bound to confidentiality, and asking the student to identify themselves to the publisher is not necessary. This just goes to show that the major publishers will always try new ideas that don?t make sense, and that it is important to push back against those ideas when we encounter them! Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Alternate Media Supervisor Disabled Students' Program University of California, Berkeley https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ (510) 642-0329 _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15239 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3516 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4084 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Mon Feb 4 14:05:22 2019 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com) Date: Mon Feb 4 14:05:38 2019 Subject: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial In-Reply-To: References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02D93E1EC1@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> <000001d4b822$134cb4e0$39e61ea0$@montana.com> <00b201d4bcc3$26279580$7276c080$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: <00f901d4bcd5$b98e6580$2cab3080$@pubcom.com> Great suggestion! I?ll run it by the AHG folks when they start planning November?s conference. ?Bevi ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 4:11 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Bevi et al ATHENites, It's been a very long time since we've had any instruction (workshop at AHG or otherwise) on the intricacies and steps of converting EPUB to PDF. I think there is need for a refresher course or how-to-guide on using Calibre or similar software app to "reverse engineer" an EPUB back to PDF. Most of us who have been involved in the alt-text conversion end of things for some time know how to use Calibre to convert a PDF to an EPUB or another type of electronic text file as that was one of our biggest challenges a number of years ago when we got PDF files and the students wanted/needed them in an e-book format. Now the flip has happened and we're faced with having EPUBS and ebooks galore and our source files work best starting with a PDF as the base. I would encourage you to develop such a mini-course or how-to guide. Inquiring minds want to know! Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:53 AM > wrote: So when you buy a car, do you buy your own tires or does the car come with tires? When you buy a printed book, do you buy your own separate cover? As I?ve said at the conferences, YOU are the customer. You have the right to ask for the formats you need in order to meet the needs of your students. It is not difficult to produce accessible PDFs and EPUBs from an InDesign layout file. My firm does this every day. And I teach this at AGH and through my firm nearly every month (next week, in fact, www.pubcom.com/classes ) I don?t know how a publisher could stay in business today without providing the different file formats their customers want (and need). Just look at Amazon as a model: print, EPUB, Kindle, PDF. (not the greatest model, considering their proprietary Kindle format and the accessibility problems.) Keep pushing! Someday your vendors will get the message. ?Bevi PS: Maybe that?s a new class topic my firm needs to develop: how to break an EPUB into PDFs or editable text. Hmmm. We already teach how to break PDFs into editable text. ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 1:03 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >; rspangler1@udayton.edu Subject: Re: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial This will probably get removed from the list, but I use a product called Calibre to break the ePub (it copies it into other formats) into a PDF. Then I break the PDFs into chapters. There are usually no page numbers, which is a huge downside, but if I think the page numbers need to be there, I?ll borrow a print copy of the book and put them in for the student. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 10:29 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Converting EPUBs to PDF Was Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Could you please share how you convert EPUBs to PDF? On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:08 AM Leyna Bencomo > wrote: I never have enough time to get involved and I should. Currently, my student workers take all ePubs we get and convert them to PDFs every single time. We don?t even bother with ePUBs at all. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Joseph Polizzotto Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 4:38 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi Everyone: There's a lot to say about this topic! I agree with Susan that we need to make our voices heard. This is not an either/ or scenario. If both a PDF and an EPUB exist, we should have the ability to request the format that our students want. That should not be the publishers' decision. At the same time, I think we should continue to encourage publishers' efforts to create accessible versions of their textbooks, whether in EPUB or PDF since that is what will ultimately benefit all readers, our students included. It is really unfortunate that a positive step forward in accessible publishing is coupled with a decision to restrict access to publishers' PDFs. Why? Who has advocated for that? Joseph On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 1:24 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Russell, yes, you are correct. They are getting messages from some that ePub is perfect, wonderful, the NEW WAY! And those voices are loud. Publishers believe those voices. If they?d just asked, they would know that an ePub is a format they can use, sometimes, but that sometimes, they cannot. Bottom line: They need to respond to what our request is for, rather than to push us to a format we didn?t ask for. Also, my voice is loud. We need more loud voices. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Russell Solowoniuk Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi Susan, I agree totally with what you say. We?re in Canada so can?t get Pearson US titles through ATN. We still need to use the online form, which, by the way, now doesn?t accept Canadian postal codes in the form, so we must use 99999, not a big deal, just wonder why. We have been getting the ?this title is available via Vital Source? message back occasionally, and each time we do, we write back with an explanation of why this won?t work for the majority of our students who use RWG. The end up sending us a PDF, but it adds days to the turnaround time. It seems that perhaps publishers are getting mixed messages from people who seem to think that ePub is the best format out there for everyone. Keep up the good fight! Russell Russell Solowoniuk AT Educational Assistant, Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198 D4, 10700-104 Ave. Edmonton, AB T5J 4S2 E: solowoniukr@macewan.ca T: 780-497-5826 F: 780-497-4018 macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email We acknowledge that the land on which we gather in Treaty Six Territory is the traditional gathering place for many Indigenous people. We honour and respect the history, languages, ceremonies and culture of the First Nations, M?tis and Inuit who call this territory home. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:40 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial I have heard this same crap from Pearson through my contact (which is probably the same). By now, they have heard the ?whys? and yes, they are being literal roadblocks to providing what we ask for. When we request a PDF through ATN, we get it next-day (unless that title is on VitalSource, then we have to do the end run or workaround, which takes weeks, if they even respond at all). So no, they are not ?committed? to getting us what we need. If it isn?t in their tiny little definition of what they want to provide, we get the runaround, and the 20 questions, and really this just delays us getting what we need for our student. That is what I wish they would understand. We aren?t asking for a PDF because we don?t know any better. We are asking for a PDF because that is what we need to do what we do for the student. If anyone wants the contact with Pearson directly, please email me off-list, I?m happy to share my contact?s information. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of George Kerscher Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:29 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hello, I reached out to folks at Pearson to get some clarification. Here is what I was told: Begin email from Pearson rep if a student needs a PDF for accessibility purposes we will provide it. We're not in the business of denying anyone access to what they need for learning. As you are aware we've partnered with Vitalsource to provide accessible ePubs to students and in most cases this does meet their needs. When it doesn't, we ask why - not to "get in the way" but to try to understand the needs of the student in question. While we do ask for "Proof of purchase" it isn't to identify the students - we are as concerned with privacy as anyone else. I'll look at the messaging we use to see if we can do a better job communicating. As to his two week wait. we have internal approval processes in place before we let PDF's out the door. Those processes are in place to help insure that we protect the IP rights of our authors. Sometimes this does slow things down but we are currently active in trying to improve those processes and reduce the time necessary to deliver the PDF's. I hope that helps, please feel free to reach out with any questions. End of email from Pearson rep. I was also told if anybody would like to communicate directly, send me (kerscher@montana.com ) and I will forward the request to my contact. Best George From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 10:55 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Just to give you comfort, the same thing has happened to me six times so far. Three of those times, luckily the student fell in love with VitalSource. The other three times, I had to do the proof-of-purchase-big-argument-thing! For me, the bigger problem is when a student?s textbook is an ebook only, integrated with the LMS. Pearson?s beginning to do that a lot now, and so is Cengage. If a student has a book I can scan, then it?s much easier. --Debee From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Sorensen, Neal B Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 1:55 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Pearson Pushing VitalSource after ATN denial Hi All, I?m writing to see if anyone else has encountered a problem like this with (our dear friend) Pearson. Here?s the story. I made a request on AccessText Network for Microeconomics by Pindyck and Rubinfeld, and the request was denied. I received a follow-up e-mail at the same time saying the title is available on VitalSource, and the student could sent a proof-of-purchase directly to Pearson to get a free access code for their book. Now, I have NEVER had to provide a proof-of-purchase to get any book on AccessText Network. Their follow-up also suggested contacting the Pearson disability support office if the student is ?using an assistive technology other than a screen reader.? The request has been approved by their permissions and now I?m just waiting for the book. This is unacceptable of Pearson. Thankfully the student has tried to use textbooks only accessible online before, and knows the PDF is better for his needs. I?ve been waiting almost two weeks now for this book (I got a customer satisfaction survey before I got the book). What is mildly infuriating about all this is that I know they have the book in PDF? I mean, it?s on VitalSource so they have electronic versions! Why not just give me the PDF? Additionally, why would I give Pearson the identity of my student? We are bound to confidentiality, and asking the student to identify themselves to the publisher is not necessary. This just goes to show that the major publishers will always try new ideas that don?t make sense, and that it is important to push back against those ideas when we encounter them! Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Also when I switch to the VW James voice, K1000 wants to access its CD, but ignores the CD if I insert it and gives me an error 1703. It then can run James fine, but it takes a while as it fruitlessly searches for the CD which it can't locate even when it's there. Anyone else encountered these issues and how does one get email support these days - I already tried phone support and the guy had no idea. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Tue Feb 5 13:40:25 2019 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Tue Feb 5 13:42:43 2019 Subject: [Athen] JAWS free training for AT trainers and teachers Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE1FC30@MB3.FHDA.LEARN> If you haven't looked at the JAWS free webinar archives in a while, you might not have realized that another of their formerly paid trainings was now released for free: https://support.freedomscientific.com/Services/TrainingAndCertification/WebinarDetail/F0136 I'm glad they decided to make it free, because it's excellent but not worth paying for, especially for sighted trainers. The software they used (TC conference) did not save the shared screens so you cannot see what the trainer is doing. It's better to simply download all the MP3 files and listen in your car, since you miss nothing by not being able to see the screen. If you are a competent JAWS user already, the training adds nothing new. It's intended for people who must support and/or teach JAWS who are much less familiar with it. Also released for free are their trainings on Office 2016/365, Word, PowerPoint, Excel and Outlook. I posted about those before; they are all great for your students who need to brush up on those skills using JAWS. Freedom Scientific is revamping their entire training; they now use Zoom which will record video of shared screens and their training webinars will be offered and archived for free access. Tomorrow's webinar is an intro to JAWS; on the 21st they'll introduce Fusion and on March 7, ZoomText. These trainings will likely be of more interest to trainers than end users, since it takes a fair degree of skill for a screen reader or magnification user to get Zoom going. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Tue Feb 5 15:11:45 2019 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Tue Feb 5 15:14:01 2019 Subject: [Athen] Braille Display Drivers, Win10 Updates and JAWS In-Reply-To: <00bb01d4b262$24c0a0d0$6e41e270$@travisroth.com> References: <0c14cebc200546cbb60d0dd1b2e22595@IN-CCI-D1S12.ads.iu.edu> <4fe89888912a4242a030efe08fd84073@IN-CCI-D1S12.ads.iu.edu> <6804cdc0e6584be6938da12b4d8a4890@IN-CCI-D1S12.ads.iu.edu> <00bb01d4b262$24c0a0d0$6e41e270$@travisroth.com> Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE20E12@MB3.FHDA.LEARN> I agree with the idea that if your users use JAWS, you are going to get the best support using their own "focus" displays. I also haven't encountered this issue, but I'm wondering if you tried at some point to set up Braille support for Narrator. I tried that on an old computer running Windows 10 and every update tended to mess up Braille display drivers for NVDA. So maybe that might be the cause of your issue. Microsoft says the Narrator stuff is still in Beta and it uses Brltty which was originally written in Linux. Once you install Braille support for Narrator, Microsoft is clear that you will have trouble using Braille with other screen readers. I was willing to put up with the trouble for experimentation purposes, but I wouldn't install Braille support for narrator in a lab situation. --Debee From: athen-list On Behalf Of Travis Roth Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 6:53 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Braille Display Drivers, Win10 Updates and JAWS I've not seen that issue with Focus displays or Handy Tech displays. Frankly it sounds a bit odd. Have you inquired of HumanWare or Freedom Scientific perhaps they have an updated driver? Many displays are moving more towards the universal driver though it's hard to keep track of which displays use what. The other somewhat obvious answer to your recommendation question is if you are using JAWS, Focus displays are always supported the best by JAWS. That does not mean they are my favorite displays overall, but they likely will give you the least driver issues. Travis From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Gregg, Tomas A Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 8:42 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Braille Display Drivers, Win10 Updates and JAWS Greetings, I am in the research phase of looking for a new braille display to use in our office. Part of the reason for this is our current Humanware Brailliant BI40 (purchased back in 2013) braille display drivers get destroyed each time during Windows Updates on Patch Tuesdays. This means once a month I have to repair/re-install the drivers in order for the braille display to be recognized by JAWS. Has anyone else experienced this issue with their braille display, Windows 10 and JAWS 2018 or 2019? Are there any braille displays that people recommend that don't have this problem with Windows 10 and JAWS? Sincerely, Tomas Senior User Support Specialist Assistive Technology and Accessibility Centers (ATAC) - Indiana University togregg@iu.edu (812) 856-0898 [Direct Line] (812) 856-4112 [Main Office] http://atac.iu.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From schwarte at purdue.edu Wed Feb 6 05:26:13 2019 From: schwarte at purdue.edu (Schwarte, David M.) Date: Wed Feb 6 05:26:31 2019 Subject: [Athen] K1000 error In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE1FB90@MB3.FHDA.LEARN> References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE1FB90@MB3.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: Hello Deborah, It has been a while since I have done this with Kurzweil 1000, but starting with Windows 7 I always had to run Kurzweil 1000 as administrator to check for updates successfully. "Run as Administrator is usually one of the application menu options for the desktop icon or Start menu shortcut, when launching the program. Depending on the setup of the computer you will probably also need to give Kurzweil 1000 permission to access information on your computer. I am not sure what to suggest about your second issue. The last time I worked with Kurzweil 1000 support, there were far fewer people in the group than with Kurzweil 3000. I have always assumed the same people support the KNFB products. If that is so they will be even more challenging to find. David Schwarte From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:21 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] K1000 error Over the past year, I've been unable to update K1000 or even see if updates exist. When I choose "Online" followed by "updates it says an online search has begun, then returns this error: "An error occurred in the search of Kurzweil educational systems Unable to create FTP Session" I've tried this with four different computers in four different locations both with Windows 7 and Windows 10. Same error. Ports 20 and 21 which are used for FTP are not blocked and other FTP transfers work. Kurzweil used to have a mailing list for support but that seems to have disappeared. I'm running V14.7 of K1000. Also when I switch to the VW James voice, K1000 wants to access its CD, but ignores the CD if I insert it and gives me an error 1703. It then can run James fine, but it takes a while as it fruitlessly searches for the CD which it can't locate even when it's there. Anyone else encountered these issues and how does one get email support these days - I already tried phone support and the guy had no idea. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meledwards at purdue.edu Wed Feb 6 05:26:56 2019 From: meledwards at purdue.edu (Edwards, Mel) Date: Wed Feb 6 05:27:37 2019 Subject: [Athen] Converting instructor hand-written annotations to text for screen readers Message-ID: <0F3370F7-0243-4CAC-A378-96CDE9F9D685@purdue.edu> Hi, Everyone. I have the need to convert instructor hand-written annotations to text for screen readers. Specifically, instructor hand write on their PPT slides when lecturing, and these lectures are taped live and closed captions. Ideally, the lecture has the instructor explaining what is going on with his/her handwriting, but not always. We are planning to capture these annotations in text so they can be read by a screen reader. I would appreciate knowing how others do this, especially if the process is free and easy. Thank you in advance for your insight and assistance. -Ms. Mel. Edwards, MA, CAPM Lead Instructional Designer Purdue University 155 S Grant St, Room 437 West Lafayette, IN 47907 T: 765.494.8307 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Wed Feb 6 06:16:29 2019 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Wed Feb 6 06:17:25 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Message-ID: Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dkrahmer at colgate.edu Wed Feb 6 06:22:18 2019 From: dkrahmer at colgate.edu (Debbie Krahmer) Date: Wed Feb 6 06:22:40 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Personally, I get fewer OCR errors with ABBYY than I do with Adobe Acrobat Pro, and it makes it easy to automate many routine tasks (especially in the windows version). I've also had better success with low-quality scans (old mimeograph items come to mind) doing OCR with ABBYY over Adobe Acrobat Pro. I think the older ABBYY software works fine--we upgraded mostly because the version we had didn't support Arabic (it's support of Arabic is still iffy, but it's better than nothing). I'd leave it to others to speak about other upsides of upgrading. Thanks, D. ______________ Debbie Krahmer Preferred Pronouns: My name/no pronouns Associate Professor in the Libraries Accessible Technology & Government Documents Librarian 304 Case-Geyer Colgate University 315-228-6592 dkrahmer@colgate.edu On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:18 AM Robert Spangler wrote: > Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for > splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. > Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters > by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY > for OCR. > > We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits > to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there > any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of > Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? > > Thanks for your feedback. > > Robert > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Wed Feb 6 06:28:14 2019 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Wed Feb 6 06:28:49 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Wed Feb 6 06:29:20 2019 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Wed Feb 6 06:30:00 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You definitely do not want to use Acrobat to run OCR. It is terrible. ABBYY is much better for this. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 8:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Wed Feb 6 06:55:44 2019 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Wed Feb 6 06:56:03 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer wrote: > Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because > with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is > not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well > tagged). > > > > We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this > route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and > faster than the old ones. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Editing Books > > > > Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for > splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. > Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters > by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY > for OCR. > > > > We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits > to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there > any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of > Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? > > > > Thanks for your feedback. > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Maureen.Bourbeau at unh.edu Wed Feb 6 07:27:37 2019 From: Maureen.Bourbeau at unh.edu (Bourbeau, Maureen) Date: Wed Feb 6 07:28:00 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. Maureen Bourbeau Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Wed Feb 6 07:42:59 2019 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Wed Feb 6 07:43:32 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen wrote: > Robert, > > If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to > break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now > as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and > sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on > their laptops, etc. > > > > *Maureen Bourbeau* > > *Assistive Technology Specialist* > > *Student Accessibility Services (SAS)* > > 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue > > Durham, NH 03824 > > P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 > > maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu > > www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > *Caution - External Email* > ------------------------------ > > Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking > it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to > PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not > always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had > already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am > able to tell right away if it's readable or not. > > > > Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading > ABBYY in that case. > > > > Robert > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because > with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is > not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well > tagged). > > > > We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this > route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and > faster than the old ones. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Editing Books > > > > Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for > splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. > Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters > by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY > for OCR. > > > > We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits > to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there > any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of > Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? > > > > Thanks for your feedback. > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Wed Feb 6 07:45:58 2019 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Wed Feb 6 07:46:19 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We always break up the files. Since our students are using Kurzweil, chapter-by-chapter is way easier to navigate. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 8:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen > wrote: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. Maureen Bourbeau Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From Maureen.Bourbeau at unh.edu Wed Feb 6 07:52:25 2019 From: Maureen.Bourbeau at unh.edu (Bourbeau, Maureen) Date: Wed Feb 6 07:53:14 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> Only when they ask! From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen > wrote: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. Maureen Bourbeau Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From lorraine at erols.com Fri Feb 1 12:40:32 2019 From: lorraine at erols.com (Lorraine) Date: Wed Feb 6 08:12:01 2019 Subject: [Athen] Insight and experience with Notetaking Express In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear All Please post replies to list Thanks Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 1, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Justin Romack wrote: > > Howdy all! > > I wanted to see if my wise colleagues had any experience working with Notetaking Express? > > We're evaluating options where accommodations like recording, smartpen or a peer notetaker won't work. > > Any feedback is welcomed! You're more than welcome to touch base off list, fyi. > > Thanks, > Justin > > > Sent from my iPhone (and most likely transcribed by Siri) > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From kkolander at stchas.edu Wed Feb 6 08:36:37 2019 From: kkolander at stchas.edu (Keith Kolander) Date: Wed Feb 6 08:37:36 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> Message-ID: There are advantages to both methods: If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) But, size can be a consideration also. Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers to the file name. Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO From: athen-list On Behalf Of Bourbeau, Maureen Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the college. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match the person in the "From" field. Only when they ask! From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen > wrote: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. Maureen Bourbeau Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Wed Feb 6 14:04:52 2019 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com) Date: Wed Feb 6 14:05:25 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> Message-ID: <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> Robert wrote: /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. /endquote I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than exporting to or saving as a PDF. Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed for a printer, not a digital reading device. If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more appropriate and functional program. Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list On Behalf Of Keith Kolander Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books There are advantages to both methods: If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) But, size can be a consideration also. Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers to the file name. Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Bourbeau, Maureen Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the college. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match the person in the "From" field. Only when they ask! From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email _____ Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen > wrote: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. Maureen Bourbeau Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email _____ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Thu Feb 7 07:37:13 2019 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Thu Feb 7 07:37:45 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM wrote: > Robert wrote: > > /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into > chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through > ABBYY for OCR. /endquote > > > > I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than > exporting to or saving as a PDF. > > > > Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any > software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a > logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital > documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed > for a printer, not a digital reading device. > > > > If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export > to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more > appropriate and functional program. > > > > Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. > > > > ?Bevi Chagnon > > > > *? ? ?* > > Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO *|* Bevi@PubCom.com > > *? ? ?* > > *PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing* > > consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services > > *Upcoming classes* at www.PubCom.com/*classes* > > > *? ? ?* > > *Latest* blog-newsletter > > ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Keith Kolander > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > There are advantages to both methods: > > If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a > good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding > to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) > > But, size can be a consideration also. > > Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers > to the file name. > > > > Keith Kolander > > Adaptive Technology Specialist > > St. Charles Community College > > Cottleville, MO > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Bourbeau, Maureen > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > *CAUTION:* This email originated from outside of the college. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > the content is safe. > > > > WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match > the person in the "From" field. > > Only when they ask! > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > *Caution - External Email* > ------------------------------ > > Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when > students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the > one file to manage. > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen < > Maureen.Bourbeau@unh.edu> wrote: > > Robert, > > If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to > break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now > as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and > sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on > their laptops, etc. > > > > *Maureen Bourbeau* > > *Assistive Technology Specialist* > > *Student Accessibility Services (SAS)* > > 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue > > Durham, NH 03824 > > P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 > > maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu > > www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > *Caution - External Email* > ------------------------------ > > Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking > it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to > PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not > always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had > already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am > able to tell right away if it's readable or not. > > > > Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading > ABBYY in that case. > > > > Robert > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because > with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is > not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well > tagged). > > > > We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this > route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and > faster than the old ones. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Editing Books > > > > Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for > splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. > Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters > by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY > for OCR. > > > > We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits > to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there > any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of > Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? > > > > Thanks for your feedback. > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Thu Feb 7 07:59:09 2019 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Thu Feb 7 07:59:30 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: I think I?m confused on how you are doing this? Using Adobe Acrobat Professional, you should be EXTRACTING if you are breaking into chapters. NOT printing. I?m not sure why you?re even using Abbyy as part of this process, unless you are extracting to Word to do further editing, which you would need to do if the PDF was not accessible or text-based, or if you are creating Word files for a blind student using a screen reader. Or, if you are scanning to PDF, then you have a (likely) inaccessible PDF so you are creating a Word file that is accessible. Maybe I?m missing something? But it sounds like you are making a massive amount of work for yourself when this is really pretty simple. We turn around book files from publishers to students in about 10 minutes, 20 if it?s big or needs cropped. Usually the files we are getting from a publisher are ready to be used by students using Kurzweil or R&W. Can I send you my alt format production manual? It is a complete rundown of our processes for everything from PDFs to Braille output. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM > wrote: Robert wrote: /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. /endquote I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than exporting to or saving as a PDF. Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed for a printer, not a digital reading device. If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more appropriate and functional program. Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Keith Kolander Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books There are advantages to both methods: If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) But, size can be a consideration also. Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers to the file name. Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Bourbeau, Maureen Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the college. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match the person in the "From" field. Only when they ask! From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen > wrote: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. Maureen Bourbeau Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From lissner.2 at osu.edu Thu Feb 7 06:48:52 2019 From: lissner.2 at osu.edu (Lissner, Scott) Date: Thu Feb 7 08:11:55 2019 Subject: [Athen] Ethel Louise Armstrong Student Poster Competition | ADA Coordinator's Office Message-ID: <62707C3B-608C-463D-9023-13B19C98DAD3@osu.edu> https://ada.osu.edu/ada-multiple-perspectives-conference/poster-competition THE ETHEL LOUISE ARMSTRONG STUDENT POSTER COMPETITIONS At the Nineteenth Annual Multiple Perspectives on Access, Inclusion & Disability: April 8, 2019 Poster Submissions are due no later than March 15, 2019 The Multiple Perspectives Conference encourages students to network with professionals, the community, and scholars who share their interests in disability at its annual student poster reception. A generous gift from the Ethel Louise Armstrong Foundation will fund awards (Graduate Research - $500; Undergraduate Research $200, Art & Performance $200, and Class Projects $200 at this year?s competition. Submissions may focus on any aspect of disability and may be based on: 1. Independent & Supervised Student Research 2. Art & Performance 3. Class Projects & Papers (Award goes to department to support future projects) 4. Community Service & Applied Problem Solving from Service Learning Classes or student organizations (Award goes to organization/department to support future projects) Posters can take a variety of forms including print material mounted on poster board or display panels or arranged on a table; PowerPoint presentations, web pages or video presentations from your laptop? * Presentation materials must fit on a 3?x6? table or along 6? or less of wall space * Presentation materials should present the information in 10 minutes or less * Presenters or their designee must be present to interact with the audience * Presenters must provide their own equipment Visit these sites for tips on developing a poster presentation: * http://denman.osu.edu/resources.aspx * http://writing.colostate.edu/guides/speaking/poster/index.cfm * http://elearningfacultymodules.org/index.php/Digital_Posters_and_Digital_Poster_Sessions#Module_Summary Students and teams of students who wish to present a poster must send the following information to ADA-OSU@osu.edu no later than March 15, 2018 1. Title ? 9 word maximum 2. Poster Format (Print, Model, PowerPoint, Video, ?) 3. Description of their proposed poster topic ? 500 word maximum 4. E-mail address, phone number, and surface mail address of coordinating presenter 5. As appropriate, university, department, grant, course or student organization affiliation 6. A letter of support from a faculty member or organization advisor associated with the project 7. Name of individual, Department or Organization to receive cash award should the project win. Early submissions are encouraged. Submissions will be reviewed as they arrive. Conference fees will be waived and lunch provided for all accepted presenters. L. Scott Lissner, The Ohio State University ADA Coordinator and 504 Compliance Officer Associate, John Glenn School of Public Affairs Lecturer, Knowlton School of Architecture, Moritz College of Law & Disability Studies Board, Center for Disability Empowerment & VSA Ohio Chair, Public Policy Committee, AHEAD (614) 292-6207(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu 21 East 11th Ave., Columbus, Ohio. 43210 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From judy.bagley at furman.edu Thu Feb 7 08:15:44 2019 From: judy.bagley at furman.edu (Judy Bagley) Date: Thu Feb 7 08:16:04 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> , Message-ID: Susan, I would love a copy of your manual. Thank you for sharing! Judy Bagley, MAT Director Student Office for Accessibility Resources Furman University Phone: (864) 294-2320 FAX: (864) 294-3044 CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information in this communication is intended to be confidential to the individual(s) and/or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain information of a privileged and/or confidential nature, which is subject to federal and/or state privacy regulations. In the event that you are not the intended recipient or agent of the intended recipient, do not copy or use the information contained within this communication, or allow it to be read, copied or utilized in any manner, by any other person(s). Should this communication be received in error, please notify the sender immediately either by response email or by telephone at 864-294-2320, and permanently delete the original email, attachment(s), and any copies. ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 10:59:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books I think I?m confused on how you are doing this? Using Adobe Acrobat Professional, you should be EXTRACTING if you are breaking into chapters. NOT printing. I?m not sure why you?re even using Abbyy as part of this process, unless you are extracting to Word to do further editing, which you would need to do if the PDF was not accessible or text-based, or if you are creating Word files for a blind student using a screen reader. Or, if you are scanning to PDF, then you have a (likely) inaccessible PDF so you are creating a Word file that is accessible. Maybe I?m missing something? But it sounds like you are making a massive amount of work for yourself when this is really pretty simple. We turn around book files from publishers to students in about 10 minutes, 20 if it?s big or needs cropped. Usually the files we are getting from a publisher are ready to be used by students using Kurzweil or R&W. Can I send you my alt format production manual? It is a complete rundown of our processes for everything from PDFs to Braille output. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM > wrote: Robert wrote: /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. /endquote I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than exporting to or saving as a PDF. Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed for a printer, not a digital reading device. If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more appropriate and functional program. Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Keith Kolander Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books There are advantages to both methods: If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) But, size can be a consideration also. Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers to the file name. Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Bourbeau, Maureen Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the college. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match the person in the "From" field. Only when they ask! From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen > wrote: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. Maureen Bourbeau Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Thu Feb 7 08:18:50 2019 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Thu Feb 7 08:21:35 2019 Subject: [Athen] K1000 error In-Reply-To: References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE1FB90@MB3.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE23ECD@MB3.FHDA.LEARN> Problem solved by email support. Turns out they switched servers, and 14.7 would not update to 14.14 because of that. I was given a link to a patch I downloaded that updated it fine. The voice problem was caused by other access technologies using the voice which apparently sometimes corrupts it. Re-installing and re-updating is the only fix. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Schwarte, David M. Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 5:26 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] K1000 error Hello Deborah, It has been a while since I have done this with Kurzweil 1000, but starting with Windows 7 I always had to run Kurzweil 1000 as administrator to check for updates successfully. "Run as Administrator is usually one of the application menu options for the desktop icon or Start menu shortcut, when launching the program. Depending on the setup of the computer you will probably also need to give Kurzweil 1000 permission to access information on your computer. I am not sure what to suggest about your second issue. The last time I worked with Kurzweil 1000 support, there were far fewer people in the group than with Kurzweil 3000. I have always assumed the same people support the KNFB products. If that is so they will be even more challenging to find. David Schwarte From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:21 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: [Athen] K1000 error Over the past year, I've been unable to update K1000 or even see if updates exist. When I choose "Online" followed by "updates it says an online search has begun, then returns this error: "An error occurred in the search of Kurzweil educational systems Unable to create FTP Session" I've tried this with four different computers in four different locations both with Windows 7 and Windows 10. Same error. Ports 20 and 21 which are used for FTP are not blocked and other FTP transfers work. Kurzweil used to have a mailing list for support but that seems to have disappeared. I'm running V14.7 of K1000. Also when I switch to the VW James voice, K1000 wants to access its CD, but ignores the CD if I insert it and gives me an error 1703. It then can run James fine, but it takes a while as it fruitlessly searches for the CD which it can't locate even when it's there. Anyone else encountered these issues and how does one get email support these days - I already tried phone support and the guy had no idea. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Thu Feb 7 08:26:56 2019 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Thu Feb 7 08:27:29 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> , Message-ID: I just sent it to you via our Large File Transfer service. -Susan From: athen-list On Behalf Of Judy Bagley Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Susan, I would love a copy of your manual. Thank you for sharing! Judy Bagley, MAT Director Student Office for Accessibility Resources Furman University Phone: (864) 294-2320 FAX: (864) 294-3044 CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information in this communication is intended to be confidential to the individual(s) and/or entity to whom it is addressed. It may contain information of a privileged and/or confidential nature, which is subject to federal and/or state privacy regulations. In the event that you are not the intended recipient or agent of the intended recipient, do not copy or use the information contained within this communication, or allow it to be read, copied or utilized in any manner, by any other person(s). Should this communication be received in error, please notify the sender immediately either by response email or by telephone at 864-294-2320, and permanently delete the original email, attachment(s), and any copies. ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Susan Kelmer > Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 10:59:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books I think I'm confused on how you are doing this? Using Adobe Acrobat Professional, you should be EXTRACTING if you are breaking into chapters. NOT printing. I'm not sure why you're even using Abbyy as part of this process, unless you are extracting to Word to do further editing, which you would need to do if the PDF was not accessible or text-based, or if you are creating Word files for a blind student using a screen reader. Or, if you are scanning to PDF, then you have a (likely) inaccessible PDF so you are creating a Word file that is accessible. Maybe I'm missing something? But it sounds like you are making a massive amount of work for yourself when this is really pretty simple. We turn around book files from publishers to students in about 10 minutes, 20 if it's big or needs cropped. Usually the files we are getting from a publisher are ready to be used by students using Kurzweil or R&W. Can I send you my alt format production manual? It is a complete rundown of our processes for everything from PDFs to Braille output. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM > wrote: Robert wrote: /quote ... Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. /endquote I can't think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than exporting to or saving as a PDF. Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any software because that method usually doesn't contain either live text, a logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital documents. It's called "print" for a reason: it uses only the data needed for a printer, not a digital reading device. If your software doesn't give you the option to either save as or export to PDF, then you're using the wrong software and need to find a more appropriate and functional program. Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. -Bevi Chagnon - - - Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com - - - PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting * training * development * design * sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes - - - Latest blog-newsletter - Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Keith Kolander Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books There are advantages to both methods: If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that's a good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) But, size can be a consideration also. Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers to the file name. Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Bourbeau, Maureen Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the college. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match the person in the "From" field. Only when they ask! From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen > wrote: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the "extract pages" function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. Maureen Bourbeau Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Thu Feb 7 08:31:55 2019 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Thu Feb 7 08:32:44 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: Sure, that would be very helpful. Here is what we're doing: 1) I receive the full book from the publisher 2) I provide it to the student workers. 3) They use Adobe Acrobat DC (the reader, not pro) and use Microsoft Print to PDF to create the chapters from the single PDF. Not all PDFs have bookmarks, so for the ones that do not I don't know of another way to break these up. 4) They then right-click each chapter then use the ABBYY option in this menu to create a searchable PDF, since the print to PDF loses the OCR and creates inaccessible PDFs. This has worked for us and no one has complained, but I see that it is not the best method and would be glad to review your manual. Thanks everyone for your feedback! Robert On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:11 AM Susan Kelmer wrote: > I think I?m confused on how you are doing this? > > > > Using Adobe Acrobat Professional, you should be EXTRACTING if you are > breaking into chapters. NOT printing. > > > > I?m not sure why you?re even using Abbyy as part of this process, unless > you are extracting to Word to do further editing, which you would need to > do if the PDF was not accessible or text-based, or if you are creating Word > files for a blind student using a screen reader. Or, if you are scanning to > PDF, then you have a (likely) inaccessible PDF so you are creating a Word > file that is accessible. > > > > Maybe I?m missing something? But it sounds like you are making a massive > amount of work for yourself when this is really pretty simple. We turn > around book files from publishers to students in about 10 minutes, 20 if > it?s big or needs cropped. Usually the files we are getting from a > publisher are ready to be used by students using Kurzweil or R&W. > > > > Can I send you my alt format production manual? It is a complete rundown > of our processes for everything from PDFs to Braille output. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:37 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a > range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that > have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY > and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM wrote: > > Robert wrote: > > /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into > chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through > ABBYY for OCR. /endquote > > > > I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than > exporting to or saving as a PDF. > > > > Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any > software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a > logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital > documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed > for a printer, not a digital reading device. > > > > If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export > to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more > appropriate and functional program. > > > > Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. > > > > ?Bevi Chagnon > > > > *? ? ?* > > Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO *|* Bevi@PubCom.com > > *? ? ?* > > *PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing* > > consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services > > *Upcoming classes* at www.PubCom.com/*classes* > > > *? ? ?* > > *Latest* blog-newsletter > > ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Keith Kolander > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > There are advantages to both methods: > > If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a > good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding > to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) > > But, size can be a consideration also. > > Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers > to the file name. > > > > Keith Kolander > > Adaptive Technology Specialist > > St. Charles Community College > > Cottleville, MO > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Bourbeau, Maureen > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > *CAUTION:* This email originated from outside of the college. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > the content is safe. > > > > WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match > the person in the "From" field. > > Only when they ask! > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > *Caution - External Email* > ------------------------------ > > Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when > students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the > one file to manage. > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen < > Maureen.Bourbeau@unh.edu> wrote: > > Robert, > > If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to > break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now > as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and > sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on > their laptops, etc. > > > > *Maureen Bourbeau* > > *Assistive Technology Specialist* > > *Student Accessibility Services (SAS)* > > 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue > > Durham, NH 03824 > > P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 > > maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu > > www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > *Caution - External Email* > ------------------------------ > > Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking > it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to > PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not > always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had > already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am > able to tell right away if it's readable or not. > > > > Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading > ABBYY in that case. > > > > Robert > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because > with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is > not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well > tagged). > > > > We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this > route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and > faster than the old ones. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Editing Books > > > > Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for > splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. > Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters > by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY > for OCR. > > > > We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits > to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there > any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of > Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? > > > > Thanks for your feedback. > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. 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URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Thu Feb 7 08:42:34 2019 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Thu Feb 7 08:42:51 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: Hi Robert. I?ll send the manual via our transfer service. Your number one job today should be to get your campus to pay for full Adobe Pro licenses for your lab computers. This will cut your production time to minutes instead of hours, and no OCR will be required. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:32 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Sure, that would be very helpful. Here is what we're doing: 1) I receive the full book from the publisher 2) I provide it to the student workers. 3) They use Adobe Acrobat DC (the reader, not pro) and use Microsoft Print to PDF to create the chapters from the single PDF. Not all PDFs have bookmarks, so for the ones that do not I don't know of another way to break these up. 4) They then right-click each chapter then use the ABBYY option in this menu to create a searchable PDF, since the print to PDF loses the OCR and creates inaccessible PDFs. This has worked for us and no one has complained, but I see that it is not the best method and would be glad to review your manual. Thanks everyone for your feedback! Robert On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:11 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: I think I?m confused on how you are doing this? Using Adobe Acrobat Professional, you should be EXTRACTING if you are breaking into chapters. NOT printing. I?m not sure why you?re even using Abbyy as part of this process, unless you are extracting to Word to do further editing, which you would need to do if the PDF was not accessible or text-based, or if you are creating Word files for a blind student using a screen reader. Or, if you are scanning to PDF, then you have a (likely) inaccessible PDF so you are creating a Word file that is accessible. Maybe I?m missing something? But it sounds like you are making a massive amount of work for yourself when this is really pretty simple. We turn around book files from publishers to students in about 10 minutes, 20 if it?s big or needs cropped. Usually the files we are getting from a publisher are ready to be used by students using Kurzweil or R&W. Can I send you my alt format production manual? It is a complete rundown of our processes for everything from PDFs to Braille output. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM > wrote: Robert wrote: /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. /endquote I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than exporting to or saving as a PDF. Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed for a printer, not a digital reading device. If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more appropriate and functional program. Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Keith Kolander Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books There are advantages to both methods: If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) But, size can be a consideration also. Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers to the file name. Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Bourbeau, Maureen Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the college. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match the person in the "From" field. Only when they ask! From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen > wrote: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. Maureen Bourbeau Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From clt3 at humboldt.edu Thu Feb 7 08:49:53 2019 From: clt3 at humboldt.edu (Cassandra Tex) Date: Thu Feb 7 08:50:27 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: Hi Susan, Has your manual changed from 11-9-17? If so, may I please get an updated copy? Thank you! Cassandra Tex Humboldt State University *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of *Susan Kelmer *Sent:* Thursday, February 07, 2019 7:59 AM *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < athen-list@u.washington.edu> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books I think I?m confused on how you are doing this? Using Adobe Acrobat Professional, you should be EXTRACTING if you are breaking into chapters. NOT printing. I?m not sure why you?re even using Abbyy as part of this process, unless you are extracting to Word to do further editing, which you would need to do if the PDF was not accessible or text-based, or if you are creating Word files for a blind student using a screen reader. Or, if you are scanning to PDF, then you have a (likely) inaccessible PDF so you are creating a Word file that is accessible. Maybe I?m missing something? But it sounds like you are making a massive amount of work for yourself when this is really pretty simple. We turn around book files from publishers to students in about 10 minutes, 20 if it?s big or needs cropped. Usually the files we are getting from a publisher are ready to be used by students using Kurzweil or R&W. Can I send you my alt format production manual? It is a complete rundown of our processes for everything from PDFs to Braille output. *Susan Kelmer* *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* *Disability Services* *University of Colorado Boulder* *303-735-4836* *From:* athen-list *On Behalf Of *Robert Spangler *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:37 AM *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < athen-list@u.washington.edu> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM wrote: Robert wrote: /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. /endquote I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than exporting to or saving as a PDF. Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed for a printer, not a digital reading device. If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more appropriate and functional program. Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. ?Bevi Chagnon *? ? ?* Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO *|* Bevi@PubCom.com *? ? ?* *PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing* consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services *Upcoming classes* at www.PubCom.com/*classes* *? ? ?* *Latest* blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog *From:* athen-list *On Behalf Of *Keith Kolander *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < athen-list@u.washington.edu> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books There are advantages to both methods: If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) But, size can be a consideration also. Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers to the file name. Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO *From:* athen-list *On Behalf Of *Bourbeau, Maureen *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < athen-list@u.washington.edu> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books *CAUTION:* This email originated from outside of the college. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match the person in the "From" field. Only when they ask! *From:* athen-list *On Behalf Of *Robert Spangler *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < athen-list@u.washington.edu> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books *Caution - External Email* ------------------------------ Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen wrote: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. *Maureen Bourbeau* *Assistive Technology Specialist* *Student Accessibility Services (SAS)* 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility *From:* athen-list *On Behalf Of *Robert Spangler *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < athen-list@u.washington.edu> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books *Caution - External Email* ------------------------------ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. *Susan Kelmer* *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* *Disability Services* *University of Colorado Boulder* *303-735-4836* *From:* athen-list *On Behalf Of *Robert Spangler *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < athen-list@u.washington.edu> *Subject:* [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Thu Feb 7 08:52:59 2019 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Thu Feb 7 08:53:29 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: There are a few changes; I usually update every summer. Happy to send a new copy to you. -Susan From: athen-list On Behalf Of Cassandra Tex Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:50 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Hi Susan, Has your manual changed from 11-9-17? If so, may I please get an updated copy? Thank you! Cassandra Tex Humboldt State University From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 7:59 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books I think I?m confused on how you are doing this? Using Adobe Acrobat Professional, you should be EXTRACTING if you are breaking into chapters. NOT printing. I?m not sure why you?re even using Abbyy as part of this process, unless you are extracting to Word to do further editing, which you would need to do if the PDF was not accessible or text-based, or if you are creating Word files for a blind student using a screen reader. Or, if you are scanning to PDF, then you have a (likely) inaccessible PDF so you are creating a Word file that is accessible. Maybe I?m missing something? But it sounds like you are making a massive amount of work for yourself when this is really pretty simple. We turn around book files from publishers to students in about 10 minutes, 20 if it?s big or needs cropped. Usually the files we are getting from a publisher are ready to be used by students using Kurzweil or R&W. Can I send you my alt format production manual? It is a complete rundown of our processes for everything from PDFs to Braille output. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM > wrote: Robert wrote: /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. /endquote I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than exporting to or saving as a PDF. Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed for a printer, not a digital reading device. If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more appropriate and functional program. Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Keith Kolander Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books There are advantages to both methods: If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) But, size can be a consideration also. Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers to the file name. Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Bourbeau, Maureen Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the college. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match the person in the "From" field. Only when they ask! From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen > wrote: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. Maureen Bourbeau Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Thu Feb 7 08:54:13 2019 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Thu Feb 7 08:54:44 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: Yes, people have been asking for it but since we own ABBYY I couldn't think of a good way to justify it, since ABBYY has been meeting our needs. From what I am gathering, though, it does not hurt to have both programs anyway. Also, I am hearing that I should use ABBYY for OCR. On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:47 AM Susan Kelmer wrote: > Hi Robert. I?ll send the manual via our transfer service. > > > > Your number one job today should be to get your campus to pay for full > Adobe Pro licenses for your lab computers. This will cut your production > time to minutes instead of hours, and no OCR will be required. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:32 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > Sure, that would be very helpful. Here is what we're doing: > > 1) I receive the full book from the publisher > > 2) I provide it to the student workers. > > 3) They use Adobe Acrobat DC (the reader, not pro) and use Microsoft Print > to PDF to create the chapters from the single PDF. Not all PDFs have > bookmarks, so for the ones that do not I don't know of another way to break > these up. > > 4) They then right-click each chapter then use the ABBYY option in this > menu to create a searchable PDF, since the print to PDF loses the OCR and > creates inaccessible PDFs. > > > > This has worked for us and no one has complained, but I see that it is not > the best method and would be glad to review your manual. > > > > Thanks everyone for your feedback! > > > > Robert > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:11 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > I think I?m confused on how you are doing this? > > > > Using Adobe Acrobat Professional, you should be EXTRACTING if you are > breaking into chapters. NOT printing. > > > > I?m not sure why you?re even using Abbyy as part of this process, unless > you are extracting to Word to do further editing, which you would need to > do if the PDF was not accessible or text-based, or if you are creating Word > files for a blind student using a screen reader. Or, if you are scanning to > PDF, then you have a (likely) inaccessible PDF so you are creating a Word > file that is accessible. > > > > Maybe I?m missing something? But it sounds like you are making a massive > amount of work for yourself when this is really pretty simple. We turn > around book files from publishers to students in about 10 minutes, 20 if > it?s big or needs cropped. Usually the files we are getting from a > publisher are ready to be used by students using Kurzweil or R&W. > > > > Can I send you my alt format production manual? It is a complete rundown > of our processes for everything from PDFs to Braille output. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:37 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a > range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that > have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY > and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM wrote: > > Robert wrote: > > /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into > chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through > ABBYY for OCR. /endquote > > > > I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than > exporting to or saving as a PDF. > > > > Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any > software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a > logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital > documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed > for a printer, not a digital reading device. > > > > If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export > to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more > appropriate and functional program. > > > > Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. > > > > ?Bevi Chagnon > > > > *? ? ?* > > Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO *|* Bevi@PubCom.com > > *? ? ?* > > *PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing* > > consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services > > *Upcoming classes* at www.PubCom.com/*classes* > > > *? ? ?* > > *Latest* blog-newsletter > > ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Keith Kolander > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > There are advantages to both methods: > > If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a > good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding > to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) > > But, size can be a consideration also. > > Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers > to the file name. > > > > Keith Kolander > > Adaptive Technology Specialist > > St. Charles Community College > > Cottleville, MO > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Bourbeau, Maureen > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > *CAUTION:* This email originated from outside of the college. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > the content is safe. > > > > WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match > the person in the "From" field. > > Only when they ask! > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > *Caution - External Email* > ------------------------------ > > Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when > students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the > one file to manage. > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen < > Maureen.Bourbeau@unh.edu> wrote: > > Robert, > > If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to > break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now > as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and > sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on > their laptops, etc. > > > > *Maureen Bourbeau* > > *Assistive Technology Specialist* > > *Student Accessibility Services (SAS)* > > 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue > > Durham, NH 03824 > > P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 > > maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu > > www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > *Caution - External Email* > ------------------------------ > > Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking > it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to > PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not > always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had > already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am > able to tell right away if it's readable or not. > > > > Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading > ABBYY in that case. > > > > Robert > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because > with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is > not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well > tagged). > > > > We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this > route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and > faster than the old ones. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Editing Books > > > > Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for > splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. > Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters > by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY > for OCR. > > > > We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits > to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there > any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of > Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? > > > > Thanks for your feedback. > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. 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URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Thu Feb 7 09:02:58 2019 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Thu Feb 7 09:03:24 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: Abbyy is for OCR, which you don?t have any need to do with publisher PDFS going to someone using TTS to access their files. You NEED Acrobat Pro. No alt format shop should be without it. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:54 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Yes, people have been asking for it but since we own ABBYY I couldn't think of a good way to justify it, since ABBYY has been meeting our needs. From what I am gathering, though, it does not hurt to have both programs anyway. Also, I am hearing that I should use ABBYY for OCR. On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:47 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Hi Robert. I?ll send the manual via our transfer service. Your number one job today should be to get your campus to pay for full Adobe Pro licenses for your lab computers. This will cut your production time to minutes instead of hours, and no OCR will be required. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:32 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Sure, that would be very helpful. Here is what we're doing: 1) I receive the full book from the publisher 2) I provide it to the student workers. 3) They use Adobe Acrobat DC (the reader, not pro) and use Microsoft Print to PDF to create the chapters from the single PDF. Not all PDFs have bookmarks, so for the ones that do not I don't know of another way to break these up. 4) They then right-click each chapter then use the ABBYY option in this menu to create a searchable PDF, since the print to PDF loses the OCR and creates inaccessible PDFs. This has worked for us and no one has complained, but I see that it is not the best method and would be glad to review your manual. Thanks everyone for your feedback! Robert On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:11 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: I think I?m confused on how you are doing this? Using Adobe Acrobat Professional, you should be EXTRACTING if you are breaking into chapters. NOT printing. I?m not sure why you?re even using Abbyy as part of this process, unless you are extracting to Word to do further editing, which you would need to do if the PDF was not accessible or text-based, or if you are creating Word files for a blind student using a screen reader. Or, if you are scanning to PDF, then you have a (likely) inaccessible PDF so you are creating a Word file that is accessible. Maybe I?m missing something? But it sounds like you are making a massive amount of work for yourself when this is really pretty simple. We turn around book files from publishers to students in about 10 minutes, 20 if it?s big or needs cropped. Usually the files we are getting from a publisher are ready to be used by students using Kurzweil or R&W. Can I send you my alt format production manual? It is a complete rundown of our processes for everything from PDFs to Braille output. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM > wrote: Robert wrote: /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. /endquote I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than exporting to or saving as a PDF. Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed for a printer, not a digital reading device. If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more appropriate and functional program. Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Keith Kolander Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books There are advantages to both methods: If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) But, size can be a consideration also. Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers to the file name. Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Bourbeau, Maureen Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the college. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match the person in the "From" field. Only when they ask! From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen > wrote: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. Maureen Bourbeau Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From coco.napolis at csueastbay.edu Thu Feb 7 09:35:35 2019 From: coco.napolis at csueastbay.edu (Corazon Napolis) Date: Thu Feb 7 09:37:00 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: Hi Susan, would you share your manual with me as well? Thank you! coco.napolis@csueastbay.edu or alternate.media@csueastbay.edu -- *Corazon (Coco) Napolis* Accessible Media & Administrative Analyst ITS - Strategy & Planning CSU East Bay - LI 2800 Production Assistants: alternate.media@csueastbay.edu *"To receive much, Is to give much."* On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 9:06 AM Susan Kelmer wrote: > Abbyy is for OCR, which you don?t have any need to do with publisher PDFS > going to someone using TTS to access their files. > > > > You NEED Acrobat Pro. No alt format shop should be without it. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:54 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > Yes, people have been asking for it but since we own ABBYY I couldn't > think of a good way to justify it, since ABBYY has been meeting our needs. > From what I am gathering, though, it does not hurt to have both programs > anyway. Also, I am hearing that I should use ABBYY for OCR. > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:47 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > Hi Robert. I?ll send the manual via our transfer service. > > > > Your number one job today should be to get your campus to pay for full > Adobe Pro licenses for your lab computers. This will cut your production > time to minutes instead of hours, and no OCR will be required. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:32 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > Sure, that would be very helpful. Here is what we're doing: > > 1) I receive the full book from the publisher > > 2) I provide it to the student workers. > > 3) They use Adobe Acrobat DC (the reader, not pro) and use Microsoft Print > to PDF to create the chapters from the single PDF. Not all PDFs have > bookmarks, so for the ones that do not I don't know of another way to break > these up. > > 4) They then right-click each chapter then use the ABBYY option in this > menu to create a searchable PDF, since the print to PDF loses the OCR and > creates inaccessible PDFs. > > > > This has worked for us and no one has complained, but I see that it is not > the best method and would be glad to review your manual. > > > > Thanks everyone for your feedback! > > > > Robert > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:11 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > I think I?m confused on how you are doing this? > > > > Using Adobe Acrobat Professional, you should be EXTRACTING if you are > breaking into chapters. NOT printing. > > > > I?m not sure why you?re even using Abbyy as part of this process, unless > you are extracting to Word to do further editing, which you would need to > do if the PDF was not accessible or text-based, or if you are creating Word > files for a blind student using a screen reader. Or, if you are scanning to > PDF, then you have a (likely) inaccessible PDF so you are creating a Word > file that is accessible. > > > > Maybe I?m missing something? But it sounds like you are making a massive > amount of work for yourself when this is really pretty simple. We turn > around book files from publishers to students in about 10 minutes, 20 if > it?s big or needs cropped. Usually the files we are getting from a > publisher are ready to be used by students using Kurzweil or R&W. > > > > Can I send you my alt format production manual? It is a complete rundown > of our processes for everything from PDFs to Braille output. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:37 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a > range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that > have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY > and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM wrote: > > Robert wrote: > > /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into > chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through > ABBYY for OCR. /endquote > > > > I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than > exporting to or saving as a PDF. > > > > Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any > software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a > logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital > documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed > for a printer, not a digital reading device. > > > > If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export > to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more > appropriate and functional program. > > > > Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. > > > > ?Bevi Chagnon > > > > *? ? ?* > > Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO *|* Bevi@PubCom.com > > *? ? ?* > > *PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing* > > consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services > > *Upcoming classes* at www.PubCom.com/*classes* > > > *? ? ?* > > *Latest* blog-newsletter > > ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Keith Kolander > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > There are advantages to both methods: > > If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a > good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding > to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) > > But, size can be a consideration also. > > Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers > to the file name. > > > > Keith Kolander > > Adaptive Technology Specialist > > St. Charles Community College > > Cottleville, MO > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Bourbeau, Maureen > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > *CAUTION:* This email originated from outside of the college. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > the content is safe. > > > > WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match > the person in the "From" field. > > Only when they ask! > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > *Caution - External Email* > ------------------------------ > > Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when > students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the > one file to manage. > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen < > Maureen.Bourbeau@unh.edu> wrote: > > Robert, > > If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to > break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now > as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and > sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on > their laptops, etc. > > > > *Maureen Bourbeau* > > *Assistive Technology Specialist* > > *Student Accessibility Services (SAS)* > > 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue > > Durham, NH 03824 > > P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 > > maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu > > www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books > > > > *Caution - External Email* > ------------------------------ > > Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking > it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to > PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not > always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had > already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am > able to tell right away if it's readable or not. > > > > Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading > ABBYY in that case. > > > > Robert > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because > with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is > not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well > tagged). > > > > We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this > route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and > faster than the old ones. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* > > *Disability Services* > > *University of Colorado Boulder* > > *303-735-4836* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Editing Books > > > > Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for > splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. > Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters > by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY > for OCR. > > > > We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits > to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there > any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of > Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? > > > > Thanks for your feedback. > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. 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URL: From clt3 at humboldt.edu Thu Feb 7 09:51:41 2019 From: clt3 at humboldt.edu (Cassandra Tex) Date: Thu Feb 7 09:52:03 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: <293156b2fd24b350155a4267829f4a05@mail.gmail.com> Hi Susan, What do you do with publisher PDF files that come through with spaces within words or when the reading order is illogical because the pages in the book are extremely complex (lots of pictures, diagrams, picture captions, sidebars, etc.) I?ve been pulling these types of PDF files into Abbyy, re-zoning the pages to reflect the logical reading order, then OCR?ing the files. The OCR is very fast, and almost always 100% accurate (except when weird fonts are used). Are you finding you need to do this as well? How about others?.are any of you doing this? Thanks! Cassandra Humboldt State University tex@humboldt.edu *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of *Susan Kelmer *Sent:* Thursday, February 07, 2019 9:03 AM *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < athen-list@u.washington.edu> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books Abbyy is for OCR, which you don?t have any need to do with publisher PDFS going to someone using TTS to access their files. You NEED Acrobat Pro. No alt format shop should be without it. *Susan Kelmer* *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* *Disability Services* *University of Colorado Boulder* *303-735-4836* *From:* athen-list *On Behalf Of *Robert Spangler *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:54 AM *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < athen-list@u.washington.edu> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books Yes, people have been asking for it but since we own ABBYY I couldn't think of a good way to justify it, since ABBYY has been meeting our needs. From what I am gathering, though, it does not hurt to have both programs anyway. Also, I am hearing that I should use ABBYY for OCR. On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:47 AM Susan Kelmer wrote: Hi Robert. I?ll send the manual via our transfer service. Your number one job today should be to get your campus to pay for full Adobe Pro licenses for your lab computers. This will cut your production time to minutes instead of hours, and no OCR will be required. *Susan Kelmer* *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* *Disability Services* *University of Colorado Boulder* *303-735-4836* *From:* athen-list *On Behalf Of *Robert Spangler *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:32 AM *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < athen-list@u.washington.edu> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books Sure, that would be very helpful. Here is what we're doing: 1) I receive the full book from the publisher 2) I provide it to the student workers. 3) They use Adobe Acrobat DC (the reader, not pro) and use Microsoft Print to PDF to create the chapters from the single PDF. Not all PDFs have bookmarks, so for the ones that do not I don't know of another way to break these up. 4) They then right-click each chapter then use the ABBYY option in this menu to create a searchable PDF, since the print to PDF loses the OCR and creates inaccessible PDFs. This has worked for us and no one has complained, but I see that it is not the best method and would be glad to review your manual. Thanks everyone for your feedback! Robert On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:11 AM Susan Kelmer wrote: I think I?m confused on how you are doing this? Using Adobe Acrobat Professional, you should be EXTRACTING if you are breaking into chapters. NOT printing. I?m not sure why you?re even using Abbyy as part of this process, unless you are extracting to Word to do further editing, which you would need to do if the PDF was not accessible or text-based, or if you are creating Word files for a blind student using a screen reader. Or, if you are scanning to PDF, then you have a (likely) inaccessible PDF so you are creating a Word file that is accessible. Maybe I?m missing something? But it sounds like you are making a massive amount of work for yourself when this is really pretty simple. We turn around book files from publishers to students in about 10 minutes, 20 if it?s big or needs cropped. Usually the files we are getting from a publisher are ready to be used by students using Kurzweil or R&W. Can I send you my alt format production manual? It is a complete rundown of our processes for everything from PDFs to Braille output. *Susan Kelmer* *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* *Disability Services* *University of Colorado Boulder* *303-735-4836* *From:* athen-list *On Behalf Of *Robert Spangler *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:37 AM *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < athen-list@u.washington.edu> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM wrote: Robert wrote: /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. /endquote I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than exporting to or saving as a PDF. Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed for a printer, not a digital reading device. If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more appropriate and functional program. Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. ?Bevi Chagnon *? ? ?* Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO *|* Bevi@PubCom.com *? ? ?* *PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing* consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services *Upcoming classes* at www.PubCom.com/*classes* *? ? ?* *Latest* blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog *From:* athen-list *On Behalf Of *Keith Kolander *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < athen-list@u.washington.edu> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books There are advantages to both methods: If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) But, size can be a consideration also. Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers to the file name. Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO *From:* athen-list *On Behalf Of *Bourbeau, Maureen *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < athen-list@u.washington.edu> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books *CAUTION:* This email originated from outside of the college. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match the person in the "From" field. Only when they ask! *From:* athen-list *On Behalf Of *Robert Spangler *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < athen-list@u.washington.edu> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books *Caution - External Email* ------------------------------ Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen wrote: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. *Maureen Bourbeau* *Assistive Technology Specialist* *Student Accessibility Services (SAS)* 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility *From:* athen-list *On Behalf Of *Robert Spangler *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < athen-list@u.washington.edu> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books *Caution - External Email* ------------------------------ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. *Susan Kelmer* *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* *Disability Services* *University of Colorado Boulder* *303-735-4836* *From:* athen-list *On Behalf Of *Robert Spangler *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < athen-list@u.washington.edu> *Subject:* [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From RJiron at roguecc.edu Thu Feb 7 09:52:31 2019 From: RJiron at roguecc.edu (Jiron, Randi) Date: Thu Feb 7 09:52:49 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: Hello, We use Acrobat Pro to run OCR on our scanned books before we send files to the students. Sounds like there are some other things we could be doing as well using Abbey. I think we have a more simplistic process that could use some upgades. Randi Jiron, MBA/TM (Pronouns: She/Her) Disability Services Specialist/E-Media Coordinator Rogue Community College Redwood Campus 541-956-7214 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:03 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Abbyy is for OCR, which you don?t have any need to do with publisher PDFS going to someone using TTS to access their files. You NEED Acrobat Pro. No alt format shop should be without it. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:54 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Yes, people have been asking for it but since we own ABBYY I couldn't think of a good way to justify it, since ABBYY has been meeting our needs. From what I am gathering, though, it does not hurt to have both programs anyway. Also, I am hearing that I should use ABBYY for OCR. On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:47 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Hi Robert. I?ll send the manual via our transfer service. Your number one job today should be to get your campus to pay for full Adobe Pro licenses for your lab computers. This will cut your production time to minutes instead of hours, and no OCR will be required. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:32 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Sure, that would be very helpful. Here is what we're doing: 1) I receive the full book from the publisher 2) I provide it to the student workers. 3) They use Adobe Acrobat DC (the reader, not pro) and use Microsoft Print to PDF to create the chapters from the single PDF. Not all PDFs have bookmarks, so for the ones that do not I don't know of another way to break these up. 4) They then right-click each chapter then use the ABBYY option in this menu to create a searchable PDF, since the print to PDF loses the OCR and creates inaccessible PDFs. This has worked for us and no one has complained, but I see that it is not the best method and would be glad to review your manual. Thanks everyone for your feedback! Robert On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:11 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: I think I?m confused on how you are doing this? Using Adobe Acrobat Professional, you should be EXTRACTING if you are breaking into chapters. NOT printing. I?m not sure why you?re even using Abbyy as part of this process, unless you are extracting to Word to do further editing, which you would need to do if the PDF was not accessible or text-based, or if you are creating Word files for a blind student using a screen reader. Or, if you are scanning to PDF, then you have a (likely) inaccessible PDF so you are creating a Word file that is accessible. Maybe I?m missing something? But it sounds like you are making a massive amount of work for yourself when this is really pretty simple. We turn around book files from publishers to students in about 10 minutes, 20 if it?s big or needs cropped. Usually the files we are getting from a publisher are ready to be used by students using Kurzweil or R&W. Can I send you my alt format production manual? It is a complete rundown of our processes for everything from PDFs to Braille output. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM > wrote: Robert wrote: /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. /endquote I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than exporting to or saving as a PDF. Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed for a printer, not a digital reading device. If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more appropriate and functional program. Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Keith Kolander Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books There are advantages to both methods: If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) But, size can be a consideration also. Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers to the file name. Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Bourbeau, Maureen Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the college. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match the person in the "From" field. Only when they ask! From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen > wrote: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. Maureen Bourbeau Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From heather.mariger at chemeketa.edu Thu Feb 7 09:53:27 2019 From: heather.mariger at chemeketa.edu (Heather Mariger) Date: Thu Feb 7 09:53:49 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: Susan, Can I jump on the bandwagon and get a copy as well? It would be an amazing resource. Thanks, H. *Heather Mariger* *Digital Accessibility Advocate* *Center for Academic Innovation* *Chemeketa Community College* *4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A* *Salem, OR 97305* 503.589.7832 ***************** *Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance - Will Durant* On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 9:37 AM Corazon Napolis wrote: > Hi Susan, would you share your manual with me as well? Thank you! > > coco.napolis@csueastbay.edu or alternate.media@csueastbay.edu > -- > *Corazon (Coco) Napolis* > Accessible Media & Administrative Analyst > ITS - Strategy & Planning > CSU East Bay - LI 2800 > Production Assistants: alternate.media@csueastbay.edu > > *"To receive much, Is to give much."* > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 9:06 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: > >> Abbyy is for OCR, which you don?t have any need to do with publisher PDFS >> going to someone using TTS to access their files. >> >> >> >> You NEED Acrobat Pro. No alt format shop should be without it. >> >> >> >> *Susan Kelmer* >> >> *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* >> >> *Disability Services* >> >> *University of Colorado Boulder* >> >> *303-735-4836* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list *On >> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:54 AM >> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books >> >> >> >> Yes, people have been asking for it but since we own ABBYY I couldn't >> think of a good way to justify it, since ABBYY has been meeting our needs. >> From what I am gathering, though, it does not hurt to have both programs >> anyway. Also, I am hearing that I should use ABBYY for OCR. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:47 AM Susan Kelmer >> wrote: >> >> Hi Robert. I?ll send the manual via our transfer service. >> >> >> >> Your number one job today should be to get your campus to pay for full >> Adobe Pro licenses for your lab computers. This will cut your production >> time to minutes instead of hours, and no OCR will be required. >> >> >> >> *Susan Kelmer* >> >> *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* >> >> *Disability Services* >> >> *University of Colorado Boulder* >> >> *303-735-4836* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list *On >> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:32 AM >> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books >> >> >> >> Sure, that would be very helpful. Here is what we're doing: >> >> 1) I receive the full book from the publisher >> >> 2) I provide it to the student workers. >> >> 3) They use Adobe Acrobat DC (the reader, not pro) and use Microsoft >> Print to PDF to create the chapters from the single PDF. Not all PDFs have >> bookmarks, so for the ones that do not I don't know of another way to break >> these up. >> >> 4) They then right-click each chapter then use the ABBYY option in this >> menu to create a searchable PDF, since the print to PDF loses the OCR and >> creates inaccessible PDFs. >> >> >> >> This has worked for us and no one has complained, but I see that it is >> not the best method and would be glad to review your manual. >> >> >> >> Thanks everyone for your feedback! >> >> >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:11 AM Susan Kelmer >> wrote: >> >> I think I?m confused on how you are doing this? >> >> >> >> Using Adobe Acrobat Professional, you should be EXTRACTING if you are >> breaking into chapters. NOT printing. >> >> >> >> I?m not sure why you?re even using Abbyy as part of this process, unless >> you are extracting to Word to do further editing, which you would need to >> do if the PDF was not accessible or text-based, or if you are creating Word >> files for a blind student using a screen reader. Or, if you are scanning to >> PDF, then you have a (likely) inaccessible PDF so you are creating a Word >> file that is accessible. >> >> >> >> Maybe I?m missing something? But it sounds like you are making a massive >> amount of work for yourself when this is really pretty simple. We turn >> around book files from publishers to students in about 10 minutes, 20 if >> it?s big or needs cropped. Usually the files we are getting from a >> publisher are ready to be used by students using Kurzweil or R&W. >> >> >> >> Can I send you my alt format production manual? It is a complete rundown >> of our processes for everything from PDFs to Braille output. >> >> >> >> *Susan Kelmer* >> >> *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* >> >> *Disability Services* >> >> *University of Colorado Boulder* >> >> *303-735-4836* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list *On >> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:37 AM >> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books >> >> >> >> This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a >> range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that >> have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY >> and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM wrote: >> >> Robert wrote: >> >> /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book >> into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it >> through ABBYY for OCR. /endquote >> >> >> >> I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather >> than exporting to or saving as a PDF. >> >> >> >> Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any >> software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a >> logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital >> documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed >> for a printer, not a digital reading device. >> >> >> >> If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export >> to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more >> appropriate and functional program. >> >> >> >> Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. >> >> >> >> ?Bevi Chagnon >> >> >> >> *? ? ?* >> >> Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO *|* Bevi@PubCom.com >> >> *? ? ?* >> >> *PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing* >> >> consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services >> >> *Upcoming classes* at www.PubCom.com/*classes* >> >> >> *? ? ?* >> >> *Latest* blog-newsletter >> >> ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog >> >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list *On >> Behalf Of *Keith Kolander >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM >> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books >> >> >> >> There are advantages to both methods: >> >> If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a >> good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding >> to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) >> >> But, size can be a consideration also. >> >> Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers >> to the file name. >> >> >> >> Keith Kolander >> >> Adaptive Technology Specialist >> >> St. Charles Community College >> >> Cottleville, MO >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list *On >> Behalf Of *Bourbeau, Maureen >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM >> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books >> >> >> >> *CAUTION:* This email originated from outside of the college. Do not >> click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know >> the content is safe. >> >> >> >> WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not >> match the person in the "From" field. >> >> Only when they ask! >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list *On >> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM >> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books >> >> >> >> *Caution - External Email* >> ------------------------------ >> >> Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when >> students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the >> one file to manage. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen < >> Maureen.Bourbeau@unh.edu> wrote: >> >> Robert, >> >> If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to >> break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now >> as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and >> sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on >> their laptops, etc. >> >> >> >> *Maureen Bourbeau* >> >> *Assistive Technology Specialist* >> >> *Student Accessibility Services (SAS)* >> >> 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue >> >> Durham, NH 03824 >> >> P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 >> >> maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu >> >> www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list *On >> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM >> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books >> >> >> >> *Caution - External Email* >> ------------------------------ >> >> Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking >> it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to >> PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not >> always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had >> already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am >> able to tell right away if it's readable or not. >> >> >> >> Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading >> ABBYY in that case. >> >> >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer >> wrote: >> >> Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because >> with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is >> not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well >> tagged). >> >> >> >> We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this >> route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and >> faster than the old ones. >> >> >> >> *Susan Kelmer* >> >> *Alternate Format Production Program Manager* >> >> *Disability Services* >> >> *University of Colorado Boulder* >> >> *303-735-4836* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list *On >> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM >> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> *Subject:* [Athen] Editing Books >> >> >> >> Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for >> splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. >> Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters >> by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY >> for OCR. >> >> >> >> We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits >> to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there >> any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of >> Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? >> >> >> >> Thanks for your feedback. >> >> >> >> Robert >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Robert Spangler >> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >> rspangler1@udayton.edu >> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >> Phone: 937-229-2066 >> >> Fax: 937-229-3270 >> >> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >> hearing) >> >> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Robert Spangler >> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >> rspangler1@udayton.edu >> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >> Phone: 937-229-2066 >> >> Fax: 937-229-3270 >> >> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >> hearing) >> >> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Robert Spangler >> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >> rspangler1@udayton.edu >> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >> Ryan C. 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URL: From RJiron at roguecc.edu Thu Feb 7 09:58:45 2019 From: RJiron at roguecc.edu (Jiron, Randi) Date: Thu Feb 7 09:59:02 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: Yes, if it is possible to send one to us as well, that would be an awesome resource for us to learn more. Randi Jiron, MBA/TM (Pronouns: She/Her) Disability Services Specialist/E-Media Coordinator Rogue Community College Redwood Campus 541-956-7214 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Heather Mariger Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:53 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Susan, Can I jump on the bandwagon and get a copy as well? It would be an amazing resource. Thanks, H. Heather Mariger Digital Accessibility Advocate Center for Academic Innovation Chemeketa Community College 4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A Salem, OR 97305 503.589.7832 ***************** Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance - Will Durant On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 9:37 AM Corazon Napolis > wrote: Hi Susan, would you share your manual with me as well? Thank you! coco.napolis@csueastbay.edu or alternate.media@csueastbay.edu -- Corazon (Coco) Napolis Accessible Media & Administrative Analyst ITS - Strategy & Planning CSU East Bay - LI 2800 Production Assistants: alternate.media@csueastbay.edu "To receive much, Is to give much." On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 9:06 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Abbyy is for OCR, which you don?t have any need to do with publisher PDFS going to someone using TTS to access their files. You NEED Acrobat Pro. No alt format shop should be without it. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:54 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Yes, people have been asking for it but since we own ABBYY I couldn't think of a good way to justify it, since ABBYY has been meeting our needs. From what I am gathering, though, it does not hurt to have both programs anyway. Also, I am hearing that I should use ABBYY for OCR. On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:47 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Hi Robert. I?ll send the manual via our transfer service. Your number one job today should be to get your campus to pay for full Adobe Pro licenses for your lab computers. This will cut your production time to minutes instead of hours, and no OCR will be required. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:32 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Sure, that would be very helpful. Here is what we're doing: 1) I receive the full book from the publisher 2) I provide it to the student workers. 3) They use Adobe Acrobat DC (the reader, not pro) and use Microsoft Print to PDF to create the chapters from the single PDF. Not all PDFs have bookmarks, so for the ones that do not I don't know of another way to break these up. 4) They then right-click each chapter then use the ABBYY option in this menu to create a searchable PDF, since the print to PDF loses the OCR and creates inaccessible PDFs. This has worked for us and no one has complained, but I see that it is not the best method and would be glad to review your manual. Thanks everyone for your feedback! Robert On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:11 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: I think I?m confused on how you are doing this? Using Adobe Acrobat Professional, you should be EXTRACTING if you are breaking into chapters. NOT printing. I?m not sure why you?re even using Abbyy as part of this process, unless you are extracting to Word to do further editing, which you would need to do if the PDF was not accessible or text-based, or if you are creating Word files for a blind student using a screen reader. Or, if you are scanning to PDF, then you have a (likely) inaccessible PDF so you are creating a Word file that is accessible. Maybe I?m missing something? But it sounds like you are making a massive amount of work for yourself when this is really pretty simple. We turn around book files from publishers to students in about 10 minutes, 20 if it?s big or needs cropped. Usually the files we are getting from a publisher are ready to be used by students using Kurzweil or R&W. Can I send you my alt format production manual? It is a complete rundown of our processes for everything from PDFs to Braille output. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM > wrote: Robert wrote: /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. /endquote I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than exporting to or saving as a PDF. Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed for a printer, not a digital reading device. If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more appropriate and functional program. Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Keith Kolander Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books There are advantages to both methods: If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) But, size can be a consideration also. Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers to the file name. Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Bourbeau, Maureen Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the college. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match the person in the "From" field. Only when they ask! From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen > wrote: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. Maureen Bourbeau Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Thu Feb 7 10:00:10 2019 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Thu Feb 7 10:00:36 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: <293156b2fd24b350155a4267829f4a05@mail.gmail.com> References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> <293156b2fd24b350155a4267829f4a05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If we get a bad publisher file (which is pretty rare these days), we convert to Word. We are an omnipage shop, and we OCR to .txt, add in formatting, add back in images and descriptions (if needed) and the student gets a Word file instead. The thing is, if a student is using Kurzweil or R&W, even a badly bookmarked/reading order file can be handled quickly and efficiently by the student. So unless the student is using a low-end TTS program, they do fine with the publisher files, even if they are mess. They can select what they want to read and skip the stuff they don?t. Part of why I expect the student to do some of the work on these terrible files is that I am teaching them the skills they need for the real world, when they won?t have someone making these fixes for them. So if they can learn some techniques for getting through some material that isn?t the greatest, I think it does help them. Of course, we fix as much as we can for them, it is our job to do that, and I don?t ever want to keep a student from having what they need. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Cassandra Tex Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 10:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Hi Susan, What do you do with publisher PDF files that come through with spaces within words or when the reading order is illogical because the pages in the book are extremely complex (lots of pictures, diagrams, picture captions, sidebars, etc.) I?ve been pulling these types of PDF files into Abbyy, re-zoning the pages to reflect the logical reading order, then OCR?ing the files. The OCR is very fast, and almost always 100% accurate (except when weird fonts are used). Are you finding you need to do this as well? How about others?.are any of you doing this? Thanks! Cassandra Humboldt State University tex@humboldt.edu From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 9:03 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Abbyy is for OCR, which you don?t have any need to do with publisher PDFS going to someone using TTS to access their files. You NEED Acrobat Pro. No alt format shop should be without it. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:54 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Yes, people have been asking for it but since we own ABBYY I couldn't think of a good way to justify it, since ABBYY has been meeting our needs. From what I am gathering, though, it does not hurt to have both programs anyway. Also, I am hearing that I should use ABBYY for OCR. On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:47 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Hi Robert. I?ll send the manual via our transfer service. Your number one job today should be to get your campus to pay for full Adobe Pro licenses for your lab computers. This will cut your production time to minutes instead of hours, and no OCR will be required. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:32 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Sure, that would be very helpful. Here is what we're doing: 1) I receive the full book from the publisher 2) I provide it to the student workers. 3) They use Adobe Acrobat DC (the reader, not pro) and use Microsoft Print to PDF to create the chapters from the single PDF. Not all PDFs have bookmarks, so for the ones that do not I don't know of another way to break these up. 4) They then right-click each chapter then use the ABBYY option in this menu to create a searchable PDF, since the print to PDF loses the OCR and creates inaccessible PDFs. This has worked for us and no one has complained, but I see that it is not the best method and would be glad to review your manual. Thanks everyone for your feedback! Robert On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:11 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: I think I?m confused on how you are doing this? Using Adobe Acrobat Professional, you should be EXTRACTING if you are breaking into chapters. NOT printing. I?m not sure why you?re even using Abbyy as part of this process, unless you are extracting to Word to do further editing, which you would need to do if the PDF was not accessible or text-based, or if you are creating Word files for a blind student using a screen reader. Or, if you are scanning to PDF, then you have a (likely) inaccessible PDF so you are creating a Word file that is accessible. Maybe I?m missing something? But it sounds like you are making a massive amount of work for yourself when this is really pretty simple. We turn around book files from publishers to students in about 10 minutes, 20 if it?s big or needs cropped. Usually the files we are getting from a publisher are ready to be used by students using Kurzweil or R&W. Can I send you my alt format production manual? It is a complete rundown of our processes for everything from PDFs to Braille output. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM > wrote: Robert wrote: /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. /endquote I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than exporting to or saving as a PDF. Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed for a printer, not a digital reading device. If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more appropriate and functional program. Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Keith Kolander Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books There are advantages to both methods: If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) But, size can be a consideration also. Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers to the file name. Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Bourbeau, Maureen Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the college. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match the person in the "From" field. Only when they ask! From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen > wrote: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. Maureen Bourbeau Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From sarah.bourne at mass.gov Thu Feb 7 10:15:50 2019 From: sarah.bourne at mass.gov (Bourne, Sarah (MASSIT)) Date: Thu Feb 7 10:16:05 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> , Message-ID: Susan, I would love to have a copy, too, please! sb Sarah E. Bourne Director of IT Accessibility 1 Ashburton Place, 8th Floor, Boston, MA 02108 Office: (617) 626-4502 sarah.bourne@mass.gov | www.mass.gov/eotss Executive Office of Technology Services and Security (EOTSS) EOTSS provides secure and quality digital information, services, and tools to constituents and service providers when and where they need them. ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Jiron, Randi Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 12:58 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Yes, if it is possible to send one to us as well, that would be an awesome resource for us to learn more. Randi Jiron, MBA/TM (Pronouns: She/Her) Disability Services Specialist/E-Media Coordinator Rogue Community College Redwood Campus 541-956-7214 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Heather Mariger Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:53 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Susan, Can I jump on the bandwagon and get a copy as well? It would be an amazing resource. Thanks, H. Heather Mariger Digital Accessibility Advocate Center for Academic Innovation Chemeketa Community College 4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A Salem, OR 97305 503.589.7832 ***************** Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance - Will Durant On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 9:37 AM Corazon Napolis > wrote: Hi Susan, would you share your manual with me as well? Thank you! coco.napolis@csueastbay.edu or alternate.media@csueastbay.edu -- Corazon (Coco) Napolis Accessible Media & Administrative Analyst ITS - Strategy & Planning CSU East Bay - LI 2800 Production Assistants: alternate.media@csueastbay.edu "To receive much, Is to give much." On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 9:06 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Abbyy is for OCR, which you don?t have any need to do with publisher PDFS going to someone using TTS to access their files. You NEED Acrobat Pro. No alt format shop should be without it. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:54 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Yes, people have been asking for it but since we own ABBYY I couldn't think of a good way to justify it, since ABBYY has been meeting our needs. From what I am gathering, though, it does not hurt to have both programs anyway. Also, I am hearing that I should use ABBYY for OCR. On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:47 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Hi Robert. I?ll send the manual via our transfer service. Your number one job today should be to get your campus to pay for full Adobe Pro licenses for your lab computers. This will cut your production time to minutes instead of hours, and no OCR will be required. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:32 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Sure, that would be very helpful. Here is what we're doing: 1) I receive the full book from the publisher 2) I provide it to the student workers. 3) They use Adobe Acrobat DC (the reader, not pro) and use Microsoft Print to PDF to create the chapters from the single PDF. Not all PDFs have bookmarks, so for the ones that do not I don't know of another way to break these up. 4) They then right-click each chapter then use the ABBYY option in this menu to create a searchable PDF, since the print to PDF loses the OCR and creates inaccessible PDFs. This has worked for us and no one has complained, but I see that it is not the best method and would be glad to review your manual. Thanks everyone for your feedback! Robert On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:11 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: I think I?m confused on how you are doing this? Using Adobe Acrobat Professional, you should be EXTRACTING if you are breaking into chapters. NOT printing. I?m not sure why you?re even using Abbyy as part of this process, unless you are extracting to Word to do further editing, which you would need to do if the PDF was not accessible or text-based, or if you are creating Word files for a blind student using a screen reader. Or, if you are scanning to PDF, then you have a (likely) inaccessible PDF so you are creating a Word file that is accessible. Maybe I?m missing something? But it sounds like you are making a massive amount of work for yourself when this is really pretty simple. We turn around book files from publishers to students in about 10 minutes, 20 if it?s big or needs cropped. Usually the files we are getting from a publisher are ready to be used by students using Kurzweil or R&W. Can I send you my alt format production manual? It is a complete rundown of our processes for everything from PDFs to Braille output. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM > wrote: Robert wrote: /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. /endquote I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than exporting to or saving as a PDF. Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed for a printer, not a digital reading device. If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more appropriate and functional program. Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Keith Kolander Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books There are advantages to both methods: If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) But, size can be a consideration also. Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers to the file name. Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Bourbeau, Maureen Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the college. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match the person in the "From" field. Only when they ask! From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen > wrote: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. Maureen Bourbeau Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Fri Feb 8 06:02:11 2019 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Fri Feb 8 06:02:23 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: I would use Acrobat and use the extract feature rather than printing to PDF. That is the easiest way to get a workable PDF. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM > wrote: Robert wrote: /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. /endquote I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than exporting to or saving as a PDF. Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed for a printer, not a digital reading device. If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more appropriate and functional program. Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Keith Kolander Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books There are advantages to both methods: If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) But, size can be a consideration also. Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers to the file name. Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Bourbeau, Maureen Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the college. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match the person in the "From" field. Only when they ask! From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen > wrote: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. Maureen Bourbeau Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From carpenta at evergreen.edu Fri Feb 8 09:56:22 2019 From: carpenta at evergreen.edu (Carpenter, Anne (Staff)) Date: Fri Feb 8 09:56:53 2019 Subject: [Athen] Editing Books In-Reply-To: References: <94c51f1a3ad140c2b23c417e656ac646@groot.ad.unh.edu> <009b01d4be67$fca02690$f5e073b0$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: Hi Susan, I would love a copy of your alt format production manual. Thank you, have a wonderful Friday! Anne Carpenter Coordinator, Assistive Technology Services carpenta@evergreen.edu Library 2312 (360) 867-6090 Access Services is proud to offer the Evergreen community Read&Write Gold free of charge. RWG is a "discreet, customizable toolbar that integrates reading, writing, studying, and research support tools with common applications" providing individuals-including those with disabilities- tools to build confidence and independence, and support access and success. Evergreen students, faculty, and staff are invited to download Read&Write Gold to their PCs or Macs. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:59 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books I think I?m confused on how you are doing this? Using Adobe Acrobat Professional, you should be EXTRACTING if you are breaking into chapters. NOT printing. I?m not sure why you?re even using Abbyy as part of this process, unless you are extracting to Word to do further editing, which you would need to do if the PDF was not accessible or text-based, or if you are creating Word files for a blind student using a screen reader. Or, if you are scanning to PDF, then you have a (likely) inaccessible PDF so you are creating a Word file that is accessible. Maybe I?m missing something? But it sounds like you are making a massive amount of work for yourself when this is really pretty simple. We turn around book files from publishers to students in about 10 minutes, 20 if it?s big or needs cropped. Usually the files we are getting from a publisher are ready to be used by students using Kurzweil or R&W. Can I send you my alt format production manual? It is a complete rundown of our processes for everything from PDFs to Braille output. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 8:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing? On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM > wrote: Robert wrote: /quote ? Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. /endquote I can?t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than exporting to or saving as a PDF. Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any software because that method usually doesn?t contain either live text, a logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital documents. It?s called ?print? for a reason: it uses only the data needed for a printer, not a digital reading device. If your software doesn?t give you the option to either save as or export to PDF, then you?re using the wrong software and need to find a more appropriate and functional program. Rule #1 for accessibility: never ever ever EVER E V E R print to PDF. ?Bevi Chagnon ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Keith Kolander Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books There are advantages to both methods: If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that?s a good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.) But, size can be a consideration also. Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers to the file name. Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Bourbeau, Maureen Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:52 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the college. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match the person in the "From" field. Only when they ask! From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the one file to manage. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen > wrote: Robert, If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the ?extract pages? function to break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on their laptops, etc. Maureen Bourbeau Assistive Technology Specialist Student Accessibility Services (SAS) 201 Smith Hall, 3 Garrison Avenue Durham, NH 03824 P: 603.862.2400 | F: 603.862.4043 maureen.bourbeau@unh.edu www.unh.edu/studentaccessibility From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:56 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Editing Books Caution - External Email ________________________________ Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am able to tell right away if it's readable or not. Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading ABBYY in that case. Robert On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer > wrote: Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well tagged). We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and faster than the old ones. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Editing Books Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits. Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY for OCR. We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for? Thanks for your feedback. Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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URL: From jiatyan at stanford.edu Fri Feb 8 10:13:41 2019 From: jiatyan at stanford.edu (Jiatyan Chen) Date: Fri Feb 8 10:14:00 2019 Subject: [Athen] Intuit is looking for summer intern Message-ID: <940472C9-8324-47D0-8CCC-DA3E42B548ED@stanford.edu> Hi all, this is from one of our Teach Access partner in the Bay Area. It is rare to find a blind design student, so kindly reach out among your networks. Intuit is looking for a design summer intern who is blind or low-vision. They are also interested in interviewing physically disabled design students. The goal of the internship is to work with other designers to explore the keyboard and screen reader experience from a design perspective. Intuit provides housing and salaries. If interested, please have your student contact Ted Drake | Principal Engineer, Intuit Accessibility Work Phone: (650) 944-5265| Cell Phone: (650) 245-4825 | ted_drake@intuit.com Twitter: @ted_drake From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Fri Feb 8 11:47:39 2019 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Fri Feb 8 11:48:04 2019 Subject: [Athen] Exam Reader Pen Message-ID: Hello, we are considering purchasing exam Reader/C-Pens from www.examreader.com. They are multilingual and are helpful for those with dyslexia and other learning disabilities in having test questions read out loud. I am seeking feedback from anyone who has used these. Did your students like them? If anyone has used these, I would appreciate hearing anything you have to say about them. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jessica.Naert at unt.edu Fri Feb 8 12:39:26 2019 From: Jessica.Naert at unt.edu (Naert, Jessica) Date: Fri Feb 8 12:39:47 2019 Subject: [Athen] MyLab - Pearson & Canvas (LMS) Message-ID: Hello All, I recently joined this list. I am new to the Office of Disability Access at the University of North Texas. A lot of our AT users are having massive issues with Pearson MyLab as well as Canvas. Any insight, tips/tricks that you all have would be helpful. 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If these issues result in a scanning mistake, the student will need to reswipe over the word or phrase more carefully, which can break one?s train of thought or cause frustration (not good when taking tests!). If the page is not perfectly flat ? for example, swiping a large book near the binding ? this can be hard for some students. Glossy pages may also cause a scanning problem. (These are probably not issues if just used with printed tests.) That said, such devices can be quite effective for students who only need a word or single line spoken aloud, a word defined, or a word translated (e.g., ESL student), and who have the requisite fine motor skills. If they need to read multiple lines of text, consider the accessible-PDF-plus-TTS route vs. a reader pen with printed test. Prior to use with a test, I suggest having the student trial the reader pen with and without a straight edge and provide them with plenty of practice first so they can feel comfortable with it. Also have them use earbuds with the pen so as not to disturb other students. - Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant www.TechPotential.net > On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Robert Spangler wrote: > > Hello, we are considering purchasing exam Reader/C-Pens from www.examreader.com . They are multilingual and are helpful for those with dyslexia and other learning disabilities in having test questions read out loud. I am seeking feedback from anyone who has used these. Did your students like them? > > If anyone has used these, I would appreciate hearing anything you have to say about them. > > Thanks, > Robert > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Fri Feb 8 14:01:16 2019 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Fri Feb 8 14:03:38 2019 Subject: [Athen] MyLab - Pearson & Canvas (LMS) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE27C5D@MB3.FHDA.LEARN> I am both a DSS professional and a disabled Canvas user on the student side. I can answer questions about using Canvas with assistive technology. Sometimes the problem is simply that the student doesn't know the more advanced features of his/her access technology. In other instances, the instructor has posted inaccessible content. The Pearson MyLab products have long been a problem. Some assignments/questions are accessible and some are not. Make sure you give your Pearson rep a hard time with specific details about which assignments are not working as Pearson is supposedly committed to making these products fully usable by everyone. --Debee From: athen-list On Behalf Of Naert, Jessica Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 12:39 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] MyLab - Pearson & Canvas (LMS) Hello All, I recently joined this list. I am new to the Office of Disability Access at the University of North Texas. A lot of our AT users are having massive issues with Pearson MyLab as well as Canvas. Any insight, tips/tricks that you all have would be helpful. Thank you, Jessica Naert, M.S., CRC Assistant Director Accessible Instruction/Assistive Technology Office of Disability Access Phone: 940-565-3149 Email: Jessica.Naert@unt.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Fri Feb 8 14:11:02 2019 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Fri Feb 8 14:13:02 2019 Subject: [Athen] Sometimes things are actually accessible Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE27D22@MB3.FHDA.LEARN> I'm taking a course wherein we have to read some documents from the Michigan quarterly review: https://sites.lsa.umich.edu/mqr/ These documents appeared to be images of the magazine which you viewed one page at a time, and clicked Next to go to the next page. There was a combo box showing all the page numbers that was accessible, but the images were not. I was all ready to complain that this wasn't accessible, until I noticed a button labeled "Text". Clicking that button replaced the image with full-text pages of the magazine, text with proper paragraphs and hno errors whatsoever. I almost didn't read carefully enough to find the text button. Bravo for the University of Michigan! I hope more instructors will use this as a good source of accessible reading assignments for online courses. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From heather.mariger at chemeketa.edu Fri Feb 8 15:26:37 2019 From: heather.mariger at chemeketa.edu (Heather Mariger) Date: Fri Feb 8 15:27:09 2019 Subject: [Athen] Mind Mapping Program Message-ID: Greetings, I have a faculty member who uses a lot of mind/concept maps in her courses. We would like to make sure that her output is accessible. Additionally, she teaches her students to create their own mind maps so a program that is accessible to use would be a big bonus. Does anyone have any recommendations for programs that would fit the bill? Thanks, H. *Heather Mariger* *Digital Accessibility Advocate* *Center for Academic Innovation* *Chemeketa Community College* *4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A* *Salem, OR 97305* 503.589.7832 ***************** *Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance - Will Durant* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ea at emptech.info Sat Feb 9 08:10:01 2019 From: ea at emptech.info (E.A. Draffan) Date: Sat Feb 9 08:10:20 2019 Subject: [Athen] Mind Mapping Program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77BC64FF-E3CA-4F0E-B945-E1E57C8A9B6E@emptech.info> Most mind mapping programs export to a rtf or docx type file format. Then you can check the main idea and secondary ideas are available as headings and subheadings. Images will need context and explanations. MindView allows for HTML export and makes a webpage of the content at various levels. All these options are basically list views rather than diagrams although with MindView in MSWord you can have the map as an image as well as the outline. I know about several other programs offer similar settings such as Inspiration, ClaroView, Xmind, MindGenius etc etc Best wishes E.A. Sent from my mobile phone > On 8 Feb 2019, at 23:26, Heather Mariger wrote: > > Greetings, > > I have a faculty member who uses a lot of mind/concept maps in her courses. We would like to make sure that her output is accessible. > > Additionally, she teaches her students to create their own mind maps so a program that is accessible to use would be a big bonus. > > Does anyone have any recommendations for programs that would fit the bill? > > Thanks, > H. > > Heather Mariger > Digital Accessibility Advocate > > Center for Academic Innovation > Chemeketa Community College > 4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A > Salem, OR 97305 > > 503.589.7832 > > ***************** > Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance - Will Durant > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dr. Edward Hall Senior Lecturer in Human Geography School of Social Sciences, University of Dundee +44 (0)1382 388073 | e.c.hall@dundee.ac.uk One of the UK's top 30 universities The Times/Sunday Times Good University Guide 2019 and The Guardian University Guide 2019 The University of Dundee is a registered Scottish Charity, No: SC015096 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mortado at cfcc.edu Mon Feb 11 06:21:29 2019 From: mortado at cfcc.edu (Maria Ortado) Date: Mon Feb 11 06:22:32 2019 Subject: [Athen] Exam Reader Pen In-Reply-To: <6670148D-2F79-4EE5-8B34-AD98AC163F15@techpotential.net> References: <6670148D-2F79-4EE5-8B34-AD98AC163F15@techpotential.net> Message-ID: Shelley, That was very helpful, thank you! *Maria Ortado* Interpreter Coordinator Disability Support Services Office: U216 Cape Fear Community College mortado@cfcc.edu Phone: (910) 362-7098 Dial 7-1-1 for Telecommunications Relay Service Fax: (910) 362-7113 On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 4:28 PM Shelley Haven wrote: > Hi, Robert! > > Here?s my take on helping students use such reader pens (aka scanning > pens). > > One requirement is that the student have reasonably good fine motor > skills. You have to be able to hold the pen at the correct tilted angle, > maintain constant pressure, swipe across words or a line of text at an even > speed, swipe in a relatively straight line, and be sure not to miss part of > the text you're scanning or overshoot and scan parts of other words. If > these issues result in a scanning mistake, the student will need to reswipe > over the word or phrase more carefully, which can break one?s train of > thought or cause frustration (not good when taking tests!). > > If the page is not perfectly flat ? for example, swiping a large book near > the binding ? this can be hard for some students. Glossy pages may also > cause a scanning problem. (These are probably not issues if just used with > printed tests.) > > That said, such devices can be quite effective for students who only need > a word or single line spoken aloud, a word defined, or a word translated > (e.g., ESL student), and who have the requisite fine motor skills. If they > need to read multiple lines of text, consider the accessible-PDF-plus-TTS > route vs. a reader pen with printed test. > > Prior to use with a test, I suggest having the student trial the reader > pen with and without a straight edge and provide them with plenty of > practice first so they can feel comfortable with it. Also have them use > earbuds with the pen so as not to disturb other students. > > - Shelley > > _____________________________ > Shelley Haven ATP, RET > Assistive Technology Consultant > www.TechPotential.net > > > > On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Robert Spangler > wrote: > > Hello, we are considering purchasing exam Reader/C-Pens from > www.examreader.com. They are multilingual and are helpful for those with > dyslexia and other learning disabilities in having test questions read out > loud. I am seeking feedback from anyone who has used these. Did your > students like them? > > If anyone has used these, I would appreciate hearing anything you have to > say about them. > > Thanks, > Robert > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties by an authorized state official. (NCGS.Ch.132) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lissner.2 at osu.edu Fri Feb 8 20:17:15 2019 From: lissner.2 at osu.edu (Lissner, Scott) Date: Mon Feb 11 07:55:50 2019 Subject: [Athen] BROADENING OUR DIGITAL WORLD: Balancing Inclusion & Innovation: April 9, 2019 save the date In-Reply-To: References: <05BFE404-885E-4482-B9AE-B3968FD5EAB1@osu.edu>, Message-ID: BROADENING OUR DIGITAL WORLD: Balancing Inclusion & Innovation The Ethel Louis Armstrong Lecture on Disability Culture Presented by Eve Hill and Tom Sikora 19TH Annual Multiple Perspectives on Access, Inclusion & Disability April 9th on the Columbus Campus of The Ohio State University *Free Public Lecture Full Conference Registration Open soon Whether at school, work or play we are spending time in the digital world. Websites, APPs and social media are an integral part of our culture; we can all agree that ensuring independent, timely, and seamless access for all members of our digital community is the right thing to do - but how do we get there? Universal Design offers a set of principles for equity but not a blueprint for building our digital world. Standards, like the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG), provides landmarks but they are neither a map or an operational plan for getting there. * What does access and inclusion mean in the digital world? * Why is access important? * Is there a business case for digital access? * Where do we find the resources for access? * How do we get there? * Who is responsible? Join Eve Hill, Co-Lead for Inclusivity and Tom Sikora, Director of Accessibility at Workday, for a dialogue exploring the meaning and value of digital inclusion as well as the pragmatics of how to move toward that goal. A moderated discussion and audience questions will identify the parameters for a thoughtful, balanced, sustainable approach; describe the commitment and the resources necessary to ensure seamless access; and begin to answer the question, How do we get there? This year?s Ethel Louise Armstrong Lecture is part of the 2018 COMPAS series focusing on Technology. The serries hopes to promote sustained reflection on the ethical challenges that unify various projects within Ohio State's Discovery Themes Initiative providing a model of informed and constructive discussion that is too often absent from public discourse and that universities are in a unique position to promote. About our presenters: Eve Hill, one of the nation?s leading disability and civil rights attorneys, co-leads Inclusivity. She previously served as Deputy Assistant Attorney General of the U.S. Department of Justice, Civil Rights Division, where she was responsible for oversight of the Division?s disability rights enforcement and educational civil rights implementation. Her responsibilities included enforcement, regulation, and policy development regarding accessibility requirements for websites and other digital technology; Olmstead community integration requirements in employment and education; and disability rights in education, law enforcement, and health care. Tom Sikura has been the Director of Accessibility for workday since October of 2018. Previously as the firmwide executive for Digital Accessibility at JPMorgan Chase Co. he implemented solutions for compliance under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). A graduate of Ohio University with over 25 years of progressive experience in roles spanning technology, operations and regulatory compliance within the financial services industry Tom is a versatile leader and innovative problem solver. *The Ethel Louise Armstrong Lecture and student poster reception will be free and open to the public thanks to the generosity of the Ethel Louise Armstrong Foundation Endowment Fund and the support of the Center for Ethics and Human Values -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Mon Feb 11 09:12:48 2019 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Mon Feb 11 09:13:25 2019 Subject: [Athen] Mind Mapping Program In-Reply-To: <77BC64FF-E3CA-4F0E-B945-E1E57C8A9B6E@emptech.info> References: <77BC64FF-E3CA-4F0E-B945-E1E57C8A9B6E@emptech.info> Message-ID: Just to insert my two cents here: We have Mind View and the interface is not the most accessible. It's nice if it can export to these formats, but I'm not sure if I could even get to the controls as a screen reader user to perform this action. Is there anyone using Mind View with a screen reader who would be able to provide tips? The main challenge I have is teaching this software to our students; currently I just send them YouTube videos, but it would be so much better if I were able to instruct students on this program. I understand that the very nature of mind mapping is not accessible to blind people, but these manufacturers could at least make sure that their interfaces are accessible, same goes for literacy programs like Read and Write. They claim to utilize universal design, but when I can't even navigate the interface it doesn't feel all that universal to me. On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:13 AM E.A. Draffan wrote: > Most mind mapping programs export to a rtf or docx type file format. Then > you can check the main idea and secondary ideas are available as headings > and subheadings. Images will need context and explanations. MindView allows > for HTML export and makes a webpage of the content at various levels. All > these options are basically list views rather than diagrams although with > MindView in MSWord you can have the map as an image as well as the outline. > > > I know about several other programs offer similar settings such as > Inspiration, ClaroView, Xmind, MindGenius etc etc > > Best wishes > E.A. > Sent from my mobile phone > > On 8 Feb 2019, at 23:26, Heather Mariger > wrote: > > Greetings, > > I have a faculty member who uses a lot of mind/concept maps in her > courses. We would like to make sure that her output is accessible. > > Additionally, she teaches her students to create their own mind maps so a > program that is accessible to use would be a big bonus. > > Does anyone have any recommendations for programs that would fit the bill? > > Thanks, > H. > > *Heather Mariger* > *Digital Accessibility Advocate* > > *Center for Academic Innovation* > *Chemeketa Community College* > *4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A* > *Salem, OR 97305* > > 503.589.7832 > > ***************** > > *Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance - Will Durant* > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Lissner, Scott Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 11:17 PM To: ADA OSU Subject: [Athen] BROADENING OUR DIGITAL WORLD: Balancing Inclusion & Innovation: April 9, 2019 save the date BROADENING OUR DIGITAL WORLD: Balancing Inclusion & Innovation The Ethel Louis Armstrong Lecture on Disability Culture Presented by Eve Hill and Tom Sikora 19 TH Annual Multiple Perspectives on Access, Inclusion & Disability April 9th on the Columbus Campus of The Ohio State University *Free Public Lecture Full Conference Registration Open soon Whether at school, work or play we are spending time in the digital world. Websites, APPs and social media are an integral part of our culture; we can all agree that ensuring independent, timely, and seamless access for all members of our digital community is the right thing to do - but how do we get there? Universal Design offers a set of principles for equity but not a blueprint for building our digital world. Standards, like the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG), provides landmarks but they are neither a map or an operational plan for getting there. * What does access and inclusion mean in the digital world? * Why is access important? * Is there a business case for digital access? * Where do we find the resources for access? * How do we get there? * Who is responsible? Join Eve Hill, Co-Lead for Inclusivity and Tom Sikora, Director of Accessibility at Workday, for a dialogue exploring the meaning and value of digital inclusion as well as the pragmatics of how to move toward that goal. A moderated discussion and audience questions will identify the parameters for a thoughtful, balanced, sustainable approach; describe the commitment and the resources necessary to ensure seamless access; and begin to answer the question, How do we get there? This year?s Ethel Louise Armstrong Lecture is part of the 2018 COMPAS series focusing on Technology. The serries hopes to promote sustained reflection on the ethical challenges that unify various projects within Ohio State's Discovery Themes Initiative providing a model of informed and constructive discussion that is too often absent from public discourse and that universities are in a unique position to promote. About our presenters: Eve Hill , one of the nation?s leading disability and civil rights attorneys, co-leads Inclusivity. She previously served as Deputy Assistant Attorney General of the U.S. Department of Justice, Civil Rights Division, where she was responsible for oversight of the Division?s disability rights enforcement and educational civil rights implementation. Her responsibilities included enforcement, regulation, and policy development regarding accessibility requirements for websites and other digital technology; Olmstead community integration requirements in employment and education; and disability rights in education, law enforcement, and health care. Tom Sikura has been the Director of Accessibility for workday since October of 2018. Previously as the firmwide executive for Digital Accessibility at JPMorgan Chase Co. he implemented solutions for compliance under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). A graduate of Ohio University with over 25 years of progressive experience in roles spanning technology, operations and regulatory compliance within the financial services industry Tom is a versatile leader and innovative problem solver. *The Ethel Louise Armstrong Lecture and student poster reception will be free and open to the public thanks to the generosity of the Ethel Louise Armstrong Foundation Endowment Fund and the support of the Center for Ethics and Human Values -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lissner.2 at osu.edu Mon Feb 11 13:58:21 2019 From: lissner.2 at osu.edu (Lissner, Scott) Date: Mon Feb 11 13:58:29 2019 Subject: [Athen] BROADENING OUR DIGITAL WORLD: Balancing Inclusion & Innovation: April 9, 2019 save the date In-Reply-To: <008501d4c248$b7a27c20$26e77460$@karlencommunications.com> References: <05BFE404-885E-4482-B9AE-B3968FD5EAB1@osu.edu> <008501d4c248$b7a27c20$26e77460$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Karen, I am the contact for the conference. It will not be streamed but we are working on recording it and may be able to make it available to a wider audience. I will keep you and the list up to date. scott On 2/11/19, 4:07 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Karlen Communications" on behalf of info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: I?ve circulated this and several of us are interested in this public event but cannot attend in person. I went to the website but there is no direct information to contact the organizers to see if this particular event?or the conference itself is available online/streamed. Does anyone have any contact information for this event or know if it will be streamed/accessible/not through Facebook? Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Lissner, Scott Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 11:17 PM To: ADA OSU Subject: [Athen] BROADENING OUR DIGITAL WORLD: Balancing Inclusion & Innovation: April 9, 2019 save the date BROADENING OUR DIGITAL WORLD: Balancing Inclusion & Innovation The Ethel Louis Armstrong Lecture on Disability Culture Presented by Eve Hill and Tom Sikora 19TH Annual Multiple Perspectives on Access, Inclusion & Disability April 9th on the Columbus Campus of The Ohio State University *Free Public Lecture Full Conference Registration Open soon Whether at school, work or play we are spending time in the digital world. Websites, APPs and social media are an integral part of our culture; we can all agree that ensuring independent, timely, and seamless access for all members of our digital community is the right thing to do - but how do we get there? Universal Design offers a set of principles for equity but not a blueprint for building our digital world. Standards, like the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG), provides landmarks but they are neither a map or an operational plan for getting there. ? What does access and inclusion mean in the digital world? ? Why is access important? ? Is there a business case for digital access? ? Where do we find the resources for access? ? How do we get there? ? Who is responsible? Join Eve Hill, Co-Lead for Inclusivity and Tom Sikora, Director of Accessibility at Workday, for a dialogue exploring the meaning and value of digital inclusion as well as the pragmatics of how to move toward that goal. A moderated discussion and audience questions will identify the parameters for a thoughtful, balanced, sustainable approach; describe the commitment and the resources necessary to ensure seamless access; and begin to answer the question, How do we get there? This year?s Ethel Louise Armstrong Lecture is part of the 2018 COMPAS series focusing on Technology. The serries hopes to promote sustained reflection on the ethical challenges that unify various projects within Ohio State's Discovery Themes Initiative providing a model of informed and constructive discussion that is too often absent from public discourse and that universities are in a unique position to promote. About our presenters: Eve Hill, one of the nation?s leading disability and civil rights attorneys, co-leads Inclusivity. She previously served as Deputy Assistant Attorney General of the U.S. Department of Justice, Civil Rights Division, where she was responsible for oversight of the Division?s disability rights enforcement and educational civil rights implementation. Her responsibilities included enforcement, regulation, and policy development regarding accessibility requirements for websites and other digital technology; Olmstead community integration requirements in employment and education; and disability rights in education, law enforcement, and health care. Tom Sikura has been the Director of Accessibility for workday since October of 2018. Previously as the firmwide executive for Digital Accessibility at JPMorgan Chase Co. he implemented solutions for compliance under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). A graduate of Ohio University with over 25 years of progressive experience in roles spanning technology, operations and regulatory compliance within the financial services industry Tom is a versatile leader and innovative problem solver. *The Ethel Louise Armstrong Lecture and student poster reception will be free and open to the public thanks to the generosity of the Ethel Louise Armstrong Foundation Endowment Fund and the support of the Center for Ethics and Human Values -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bossley.5 at osu.edu Mon Feb 11 14:02:14 2019 From: bossley.5 at osu.edu (Bossley, Peter A.) Date: Mon Feb 11 14:02:40 2019 Subject: [Athen] BROADENING OUR DIGITAL WORLD: Balancing Inclusion & Innovation: April 9, 2019 save the date In-Reply-To: <008501d4c248$b7a27c20$26e77460$@karlencommunications.com> References: <05BFE404-885E-4482-B9AE-B3968FD5EAB1@osu.edu>, <008501d4c248$b7a27c20$26e77460$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: We don?t have any current plans to live stream the event but all that being said I will certainly discuss it with my boss. I will also be presenting 2 sessions on accessibility evaluations on that same day, details on those forthcoming. Best, [The Ohio State University] Peter Bossley Director, Digital Accessibility Center ADA Coordinator's Office - Office of University Compliance and Integrity Student Life Disability Services 950 Lincoln Tower, 1800 Cannon Dr, Columbus, OH 43210 614-688-3028 Office bossley.5@osu.edu accessibility.osu.edu ________________________________ From: athen-list On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 3:31 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' ; ADA OSU Subject: Re: [Athen] BROADENING OUR DIGITAL WORLD: Balancing Inclusion & Innovation: April 9, 2019 save the date I?ve circulated this and several of us are interested in this public event but cannot attend in person. I went to the website but there is no direct information to contact the organizers to see if this particular event?or the conference itself is available online/streamed. Does anyone have any contact information for this event or know if it will be streamed/accessible/not through Facebook? Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Lissner, Scott Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 11:17 PM To: ADA OSU > Subject: [Athen] BROADENING OUR DIGITAL WORLD: Balancing Inclusion & Innovation: April 9, 2019 save the date BROADENING OUR DIGITAL WORLD: Balancing Inclusion & Innovation The Ethel Louis Armstrong Lecture on Disability Culture Presented by Eve Hill and Tom Sikora 19TH Annual Multiple Perspectives on Access, Inclusion & Disability April 9th on the Columbus Campus of The Ohio State University *Free Public Lecture Full Conference Registration Open soon Whether at school, work or play we are spending time in the digital world. Websites, APPs and social media are an integral part of our culture; we can all agree that ensuring independent, timely, and seamless access for all members of our digital community is the right thing to do - but how do we get there? Universal Design offers a set of principles for equity but not a blueprint for building our digital world. Standards, like the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG), provides landmarks but they are neither a map or an operational plan for getting there. ? What does access and inclusion mean in the digital world? ? Why is access important? ? Is there a business case for digital access? ? Where do we find the resources for access? ? How do we get there? ? Who is responsible? Join Eve Hill, Co-Lead for Inclusivity and Tom Sikora, Director of Accessibility at Workday, for a dialogue exploring the meaning and value of digital inclusion as well as the pragmatics of how to move toward that goal. A moderated discussion and audience questions will identify the parameters for a thoughtful, balanced, sustainable approach; describe the commitment and the resources necessary to ensure seamless access; and begin to answer the question, How do we get there? This year?s Ethel Louise Armstrong Lecture is part of the 2018 COMPAS series focusing on Technology. The serries hopes to promote sustained reflection on the ethical challenges that unify various projects within Ohio State's Discovery Themes Initiative providing a model of informed and constructive discussion that is too often absent from public discourse and that universities are in a unique position to promote. About our presenters: Eve Hill, one of the nation?s leading disability and civil rights attorneys, co-leads Inclusivity. She previously served as Deputy Assistant Attorney General of the U.S. Department of Justice, Civil Rights Division, where she was responsible for oversight of the Division?s disability rights enforcement and educational civil rights implementation. Her responsibilities included enforcement, regulation, and policy development regarding accessibility requirements for websites and other digital technology; Olmstead community integration requirements in employment and education; and disability rights in education, law enforcement, and health care. Tom Sikura has been the Director of Accessibility for workday since October of 2018. Previously as the firmwide executive for Digital Accessibility at JPMorgan Chase Co. he implemented solutions for compliance under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). A graduate of Ohio University with over 25 years of progressive experience in roles spanning technology, operations and regulatory compliance within the financial services industry Tom is a versatile leader and innovative problem solver. *The Ethel Louise Armstrong Lecture and student poster reception will be free and open to the public thanks to the generosity of the Ethel Louise Armstrong Foundation Endowment Fund and the support of the Center for Ethics and Human Values -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 2/11/19 10:12 AM, Robert Spangler wrote: > Just to insert my two cents here: We have Mind View and the interface > is not the most accessible.? It's nice if it can export to these > formats, but I'm not sure if I could even get to the controls as a > screen reader user to perform this action.? Is there anyone using Mind > View with a screen reader who would be able to provide tips?? The main > challenge I have is teaching this software to our students; currently > I just send them YouTube videos, but it would be so much better if I > were able to instruct students on this program.? I understand that the > very nature of mind mapping is not accessible to blind people, but > these manufacturers could at least make sure that their interfaces are > accessible, same goes for literacy programs like Read and Write.? They > claim to utilize universal design, but when I can't even navigate the > interface it doesn't feel all that universal to me. > > > > > On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:13 AM E.A. Draffan > wrote: > > Most mind mapping programs export to a rtf or docx type file > format.? Then you can check the main idea and secondary ideas are > available as headings and subheadings. Images will need context > and explanations. MindView allows for HTML export and makes a > webpage of the content at various levels. All these options are > basically list views rather than diagrams although with MindView > in MSWord you can have the map as an image as well as the outline. > > I know about several other programs offer similar settings such as > Inspiration, ClaroView, Xmind, MindGenius etc etc > > Best wishes > E.A. > Sent from my mobile phone > > On 8 Feb 2019, at 23:26, Heather Mariger > > wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> I have a faculty member who uses a lot of mind/concept maps in >> her courses. We would like to make sure that her output is >> accessible. >> >> Additionally, she? teaches her students to create their own mind >> maps so a program that is accessible to use would be a big bonus. >> >> Does anyone have any recommendations for programs that would fit >> the bill? >> >> Thanks, >> H. >> >> *Heather Mariger* >> *Digital Accessibility Advocate* >> / >> / >> /Center for Academic Innovation/ >> /Chemeketa Community College/ >> /4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A/ >> /Salem, OR 97305/ >> / >> / >> 503.589.7832 >> >> ***************** >> /Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance - Will >> Durant >> / >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton ?| 300 College Park ?| ?Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of > hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Tue Feb 12 05:20:38 2019 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Tue Feb 12 05:20:53 2019 Subject: [Athen] Mind Mapping Program In-Reply-To: <97e868fb-0345-558e-292b-ec8bead5d88a@expressable.org> References: <77BC64FF-E3CA-4F0E-B945-E1E57C8A9B6E@emptech.info> <97e868fb-0345-558e-292b-ec8bead5d88a@expressable.org> Message-ID: Thanks for these suggestions, Chris. Is MindNode free, too? We used to use a program called Inspiration before we purchased a subscription to MindView. I just don't think I have enough students using MindView to justify the cost, so a free solution might be more appropriate. On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 6:39 PM Chris Johnson wrote: > If it's Mac, I like MindNode best because of the pleasant interface and > easy to use, iOS compatible; exports to a variety of accessible formats. > I like FreeMind is .. free for windows and exports to various accessible > formats. > Mindmaps generally aren't accessible programs for screenreader users in > themselves. > > > Chris Johnson > Assistive Technology Specialist > expressABLE > Casper, WY > Twitter > LinkedIn > > "Express, Educate & Employ your Abilities with the right technology and > training!" > > > > On 2/11/19 10:12 AM, Robert Spangler wrote: > > Just to insert my two cents here: We have Mind View and the interface is > not the most accessible. It's nice if it can export to these formats, but > I'm not sure if I could even get to the controls as a screen reader user to > perform this action. Is there anyone using Mind View with a screen reader > who would be able to provide tips? The main challenge I have is teaching > this software to our students; currently I just send them YouTube videos, > but it would be so much better if I were able to instruct students on this > program. I understand that the very nature of mind mapping is not > accessible to blind people, but these manufacturers could at least make > sure that their interfaces are accessible, same goes for literacy programs > like Read and Write. They claim to utilize universal design, but when I > can't even navigate the interface it doesn't feel all that universal to me. > > > > > On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:13 AM E.A. Draffan wrote: > >> Most mind mapping programs export to a rtf or docx type file format. >> Then you can check the main idea and secondary ideas are available as >> headings and subheadings. Images will need context and explanations. >> MindView allows for HTML export and makes a webpage of the content at >> various levels. All these options are basically list views rather than >> diagrams although with MindView in MSWord you can have the map as an image >> as well as the outline. >> >> I know about several other programs offer similar settings such as >> Inspiration, ClaroView, Xmind, MindGenius etc etc >> >> Best wishes >> E.A. >> Sent from my mobile phone >> >> On 8 Feb 2019, at 23:26, Heather Mariger >> wrote: >> >> Greetings, >> >> I have a faculty member who uses a lot of mind/concept maps in her >> courses. We would like to make sure that her output is accessible. >> >> Additionally, she teaches her students to create their own mind maps so >> a program that is accessible to use would be a big bonus. >> >> Does anyone have any recommendations for programs that would fit the bill? >> >> Thanks, >> H. >> >> *Heather Mariger* >> *Digital Accessibility Advocate* >> >> *Center for Academic Innovation* >> *Chemeketa Community College* >> *4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A* >> *Salem, OR 97305* >> >> 503.589.7832 >> >> ***************** >> >> *Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance - Will Durant * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing listathen-list@mailman12.u.washington.eduhttp://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jen.dugger at pdx.edu Tue Feb 12 11:31:44 2019 From: jen.dugger at pdx.edu (Jen Dugger) Date: Tue Feb 12 11:33:19 2019 Subject: [Athen] IT Accessibility Coordinator Job Posting at Portland State University Message-ID: Hi everyone, We are very excited to announce the posting of the IT Accessibility Coordinator position at Portland State University (Oregon)! This comes on the heels of the Electronic and Information Technology Accessibility Policy getting signed here! This will be a big job and we need the right person! Is that you? Do you know someone great? I'm on the search committee - let me know if you have any questions! (And scroll or tab to the bottom to find the link to the PSU website where you would apply!) Have a great day! Jen Dugger --------------------------------------- The IT Accessibility Coordinator will be the primary accessibility technology expert for campus with responsibility for the support, technical direction, assessment, and implementation of new and existing technologies at Portland State University. As part of its core values, PSU is committed to ?promote access, inclusion, and equity as pillars of excellence.? This position will support that ethos by assessing that University technologies are in compliance with State and Federal accessibility requirements, as well as the institution?s commitment to access, equity, and Universal Design. Housed in the Office of Information Technology (OIT), this position will collaborate extensively with campus accessibility advocates including: the ADA/504 Coordinator in Global Diversity and Inclusion, the Office of General Counsel, the student Disability Resource Center, University Communications, Human Resources, the Office of Academic Innovation, and more. An overview of the job duties for this position are as follows: Develop Web Accessibility Capabilities- Define and work towards a goal of a fully accessible public web presence. Take a leading position within the University in developing standards of practice and uniform business processes that adhere to WCAG 2.0 Level A and AA guidelines. Project Management- In collaboration with key stakeholders, develop a prioritized list of electronic and information technology (EIT) accessibility needs. Organize large-scale audit and remediation projects, present status reports, and develop strategies for continual improvements towards compliance with the PSU EIT Accessibility policy and Universal Design. Web Accessibility Technology Training and Support- Act as the primary web accessibility trainer for the campus community, ranging from academic and administrative executives to faculty and other campus partners. Build and maintain extensive resources for the campus community to reference in support of online accessibility. Evaluate Products and Services for Accessibility- Develop tools and processes for evaluating technology assets, platforms, and services for their ability to comply with accessibility standards. Identify and prioritize accessibility issues and communicate with vendors, content owners, application owners, and on-campus stakeholders. Portland State University (PSU) is a thriving campus of 27,000 students in downtown Portland, easily accessible by bike and public transit and surrounded by many restaurants, food carts, parks, and local businesses. PSU is committed to offering opportunity to students from a variety of backgrounds, and prides itself on providing access for low-income and nontraditional students. Our motto to ?let knowledge serve the city? reflects our dedication to finding innovative, sustainable solutions to local and global problems. Our location in the heart of one of America?s most dynamic cities gives our students unmatched access to career connections and an internationally acclaimed culture scene. PSU?s Office of Information Technology (OIT) empowers students, faculty, and staff through technology, and has been ranked on the Computerworld Best Places to Work in IT in the nation for two years running. 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The ATS teams are customer-focused and have specializations in the design, planning, deployment, support, and administration of the core academic and business tools as well as technology-driven learning spaces. Skills and Requirements Bachelor?s degree, OR any combination of 3 years experience in project management, accessibility, or web design/development. Experience creating accessible content in accordance with accessibility standards for web sites, documents, or other digital assets. Strong commitment to accessibility principles and the concept of Universal Design. Project management skills including communication, organization, facilitation and independent decision making. Ability to synthesize complex concepts or criteria and develop into concise written form (such as best-practice guidelines, support articles, project plans, and status reports). 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What advice would you offer for achieving these goals ... or is it even possible with MATLAB? I haven't personally tested it - but I've heard that, like changing the OS defaults, ZoomText can't do much with the MATLAB interface aside from magnification. Any help would be greatly, greatly appreciated by this total MATLAB newb! Thanks all, Justin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Services | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From schwarte at purdue.edu Wed Feb 13 05:40:30 2019 From: schwarte at purdue.edu (Schwarte, David M.) Date: Wed Feb 13 05:40:40 2019 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of MATLAB for student with visual disability In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89ab1a7c8e48444ea0ba8ce9fa21b861@wppexc08.purdue.lcl> Hello Justin, It has been a few years since I have worked with matlab, so I just have a thought. I assume you are looking at the Windows version of Matlab. The Macintosh and Lynux versions of Matlab use more of the standard operating system controls, so they will be more flexible. The last time I worked with Matlab an ZoomText, some functions of Matlab sent information to the display in such a way, that ZoomText could not display it. For example, graphs would not display if ZoomText was running. If ZoomText was not running, they would display just fine. David Schwarte From: athen-list On Behalf Of Justin Romack Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 4:26 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Accessibility of MATLAB for student with visual disability Have done some digging ... and haven't turned up anything all that helpful about the accessibility of MATLAB. Here's the scenario ... I'm working with a student who is unable to see color, has extreme light sensitivity, and is on the bubble of being legally blind. They don't use any assistive technology (like ZoomText), as they are usually able to adjust screen brightness, invert colors and make text larger as necessary. Sadly, none of these typical adaptations work in the MATLAB environment. Right now, their biggest concern is inverting the colors to offer greater contrast and the possibility of enlarging the font size / changing the font of text as it's entered. What advice would you offer for achieving these goals ... or is it even possible with MATLAB? I haven't personally tested it - but I've heard that, like changing the OS defaults, ZoomText can't do much with the MATLAB interface aside from magnification. Any help would be greatly, greatly appreciated by this total MATLAB newb! Thanks all, Justin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Services | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Wed Feb 13 10:57:22 2019 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Wed Feb 13 10:57:47 2019 Subject: [Athen] Looking for book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Anyone have this one? The copyright by Pearson has been reverted, so can't get it through ATN. Spacetime and Geometry Carroll 9780805387322 2003 Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 This list is intended to serve as a forum for higher education professionals involved in the delivery of services to students with disabilities in higher education. Any commercial posts or posts that are deemed by the listowner to be inappropriate for the list will result in the poster being removed from the list. To sign off the list, send a message to * listserv@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu * with the message * Unsubscribe dsshe-L To search the archives, go to http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/dsshe-l.html Questions? Contact Listowner Dan Ryan at dryan@buffalo.edu From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Wed Feb 13 11:26:10 2019 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Wed Feb 13 11:28:03 2019 Subject: [Athen] Questions about bookshare books with and without images Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE2EB83@MB3.FHDA.LEARN> Every once in a while, I get a complaint that something a student found on Bookshare had no images. There are things I know and things I do not. First what I do know: A: Not all books are going to include images. Some publishers believe that if you want images, you can buy the book, and others include images and let Bookshare distribute them. B: All books whether or not they include images can be downloaded without the images, which makes a much smaller file. C: Not all Daisy readers display the images, but bookshare's web reader will. D: If a book doesn't include images, the "Daisy with images" will not appear in the list of available formats. E: If you unzip a Daisy with images book, the images are in a separate directory named "images". F: An epub book is a zip file too, with a similar structure. A Windows user can rename the epub extension to zip, unzip the book and look for an images directory. OK, now on to what I don't know: 1. Which Daisy readers do actually display images? Which other access technologies render the images? 2. If a user primarily works with a screen reader but wants to magnify the occasional image, what format is best for downloading the book and what access technology is best used for this purpose? 3. If the user primarily reads visually, which access technology works best for displaying the images in context? 4. If my user is on a mobile device, how can I help him find the right reading technology for displaying the images along with reading out loud? 5. Why is it that some books I download as Daisy that contain hundreds of images don't include the images if I download them as epub? 6. 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HTH, Joseph On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 12:22 PM Naert, Jessica wrote: > Hello! > > > > What does your partnership with the library look like in terms of > alternative format? For example, if a student who is completely blind > requests 3 books or large articles, who converts these? > > > > Thank you, > > Jessica Naert, M.S., CRC > > > * Assistant Director* > > Accessible Instruction/Assistive Technology > > Office of Disability Access > > University of North Texas > > Phone: 940-565-3149 > > Email: Jessica.Naert@unt.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- *Alternate Media Supervisor* Disabled Students' Program University of California, Berkeley https://dsp.berkeley.edu/ (510) 642-0329 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbf4811 at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 14:08:15 2019 From: jbf4811 at gmail.com (Janet Fukuda) Date: Wed Feb 13 14:08:33 2019 Subject: [Athen] MathType and Screen Readers Message-ID: Hi, I have a question for you. We are trying to create Word Documents using MathType that are to be read by screen readers and we are facing a few issues. The folks at WIRIS have said: 1. The JAWS and NVDA screen readers both work to read math content in web pages (with equations in mathml), but JAWS doesn't read MathType equations in Word/PowerPoint. Only NVDA screen reader with MathPlayer/MathType will read MathType equations in Word/PowerPoint. 2. Voiceover does not yet read the math content (MathType equations). Apple hasn't implemented the functionality for the reader to interpret them at this time. In the past, we contacted Apple regarding the need for this, but they don't have any immediate plans to integrate the feature. We don't have a way to get it working with Voiceover. 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WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match the person in the "From" field. Hi, I have a question for you. We are trying to create Word Documents using MathType that are to be read by screen readers and we are facing a few issues. The folks at WIRIS have said: 1. The JAWS and NVDA screen readers both work to read math content in web pages (with equations in mathml), but JAWS doesn't read MathType equations in Word/PowerPoint. Only NVDA screen reader with MathPlayer/MathType will read MathType equations in Word/PowerPoint. 2. Voiceover does not yet read the math content (MathType equations). Apple hasn't implemented the functionality for the reader to interpret them at this time. In the past, we contacted Apple regarding the need for this, but they don't have any immediate plans to integrate the feature. We don't have a way to get it working with Voiceover. What has been your experience? Any insights would be greatly appreciated. Janet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Wed Feb 13 14:28:25 2019 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Wed Feb 13 14:28:54 2019 Subject: [Athen] MathType and Screen Readers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is correct. If the student is using Jaws, EVERYTHING must end up being an html document with MathML. If a student is using NVDA, they can use a MathType marked-up Word file. And voiceover is not yet ready for math. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Janet Fukuda Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 3:08 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] MathType and Screen Readers Hi, I have a question for you. We are trying to create Word Documents using MathType that are to be read by screen readers and we are facing a few issues. The folks at WIRIS have said: 1. The JAWS and NVDA screen readers both work to read math content in web pages (with equations in mathml), but JAWS doesn't read MathType equations in Word/PowerPoint. Only NVDA screen reader with MathPlayer/MathType will read MathType equations in Word/PowerPoint. 2. Voiceover does not yet read the math content (MathType equations). Apple hasn't implemented the functionality for the reader to interpret them at this time. In the past, we contacted Apple regarding the need for this, but they don't have any immediate plans to integrate the feature. We don't have a way to get it working with Voiceover. What has been your experience? Any insights would be greatly appreciated. Janet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bossley.5 at osu.edu Wed Feb 13 19:09:24 2019 From: bossley.5 at osu.edu (Bossley, Peter A.) Date: Wed Feb 13 19:09:37 2019 Subject: [Athen] MathType and Screen Readers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The information they provided you is correct. mathJax is the best way to display math on the web; it has braille support forthcoming in a near-future release, but for local files NVDA+MathPlayer or MathML +JAWS are your options. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Janet Fukuda Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 5:08 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] MathType and Screen Readers Hi, I have a question for you. We are trying to create Word Documents using MathType that are to be read by screen readers and we are facing a few issues. The folks at WIRIS have said: 1. The JAWS and NVDA screen readers both work to read math content in web pages (with equations in mathml), but JAWS doesn't read MathType equations in Word/PowerPoint. Only NVDA screen reader with MathPlayer/MathType will read MathType equations in Word/PowerPoint. 2. Voiceover does not yet read the math content (MathType equations). Apple hasn't implemented the functionality for the reader to interpret them at this time. In the past, we contacted Apple regarding the need for this, but they don't have any immediate plans to integrate the feature. We don't have a way to get it working with Voiceover. What has been your experience? Any insights would be greatly appreciated. Janet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From heather.mariger at chemeketa.edu Wed Feb 13 19:33:26 2019 From: heather.mariger at chemeketa.edu (Heather Mariger) Date: Wed Feb 13 19:34:56 2019 Subject: [Athen] Mind Mapping Program In-Reply-To: References: <77BC64FF-E3CA-4F0E-B945-E1E57C8A9B6E@emptech.info> <97e868fb-0345-558e-292b-ec8bead5d88a@expressable.org> Message-ID: Thank you so much for your responses - this is very helpful! H. *Heather Mariger* *Digital Accessibility Advocate* *Center for Academic Innovation* *Chemeketa Community College* *4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A* *Salem, OR 97305* 503.589.7832 ***************** *Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance - Will Durant* On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 5:21 AM Robert Spangler wrote: > Thanks for these suggestions, Chris. Is MindNode free, too? We used to > use a program called Inspiration before we purchased a subscription to > MindView. I just don't think I have enough students using MindView to > justify the cost, so a free solution might be more appropriate. > > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 6:39 PM Chris Johnson > wrote: > >> If it's Mac, I like MindNode best because of the pleasant interface and >> easy to use, iOS compatible; exports to a variety of accessible formats. >> I like FreeMind is .. free for windows and exports to various accessible >> formats. >> Mindmaps generally aren't accessible programs for screenreader users in >> themselves. >> >> >> Chris Johnson >> Assistive Technology Specialist >> expressABLE >> Casper, WY >> Twitter >> LinkedIn >> >> "Express, Educate & Employ your Abilities with the right technology and >> training!" >> >> >> >> On 2/11/19 10:12 AM, Robert Spangler wrote: >> >> Just to insert my two cents here: We have Mind View and the interface is >> not the most accessible. It's nice if it can export to these formats, but >> I'm not sure if I could even get to the controls as a screen reader user to >> perform this action. Is there anyone using Mind View with a screen reader >> who would be able to provide tips? The main challenge I have is teaching >> this software to our students; currently I just send them YouTube videos, >> but it would be so much better if I were able to instruct students on this >> program. I understand that the very nature of mind mapping is not >> accessible to blind people, but these manufacturers could at least make >> sure that their interfaces are accessible, same goes for literacy programs >> like Read and Write. They claim to utilize universal design, but when I >> can't even navigate the interface it doesn't feel all that universal to me. >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:13 AM E.A. Draffan wrote: >> >>> Most mind mapping programs export to a rtf or docx type file format. >>> Then you can check the main idea and secondary ideas are available as >>> headings and subheadings. Images will need context and explanations. >>> MindView allows for HTML export and makes a webpage of the content at >>> various levels. All these options are basically list views rather than >>> diagrams although with MindView in MSWord you can have the map as an image >>> as well as the outline. >>> >>> I know about several other programs offer similar settings such as >>> Inspiration, ClaroView, Xmind, MindGenius etc etc >>> >>> Best wishes >>> E.A. >>> Sent from my mobile phone >>> >>> On 8 Feb 2019, at 23:26, Heather Mariger >>> wrote: >>> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> I have a faculty member who uses a lot of mind/concept maps in her >>> courses. We would like to make sure that her output is accessible. >>> >>> Additionally, she teaches her students to create their own mind maps so >>> a program that is accessible to use would be a big bonus. >>> >>> Does anyone have any recommendations for programs that would fit the >>> bill? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> H. >>> >>> *Heather Mariger* >>> *Digital Accessibility Advocate* >>> >>> *Center for Academic Innovation* >>> *Chemeketa Community College* >>> *4000 Lancaster Drive NE - 9/126A* >>> *Salem, OR 97305* >>> >>> 503.589.7832 >>> >>> ***************** >>> >>> *Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance - Will Durant >>> * >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> athen-list mailing list >>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> Robert Spangler >> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >> rspangler1@udayton.edu >> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >> Phone: 937-229-2066 >> Fax: 937-229-3270 >> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >> hearing) >> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing listathen-list@mailman12.u.washington.eduhttp://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dandrews at visi.com Thu Feb 14 05:46:36 2019 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu Feb 14 05:46:50 2019 Subject: [Athen] K1000 error In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE1FB90@MB3.FHDA.LEARN> References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE1FB90@MB3.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: There have been a few messages on the K1000 e-mail list lately -- although I don't know if anyone from Kurzweil is on it any longer. Dave At 03:21 PM 2/5/2019, you wrote: >Content-Language: en-US >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > >boundary="_000_61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE1FB90MB3FHDALEARN_" > >Over the past year, I?ve been unable to update >K1000 or even see if updates exist. > >When I choose ?Online? followed by ?updates it >says an online search has begun, then returns this error: >"An error occurred in the search of Kurzweil educational systems >Unable to create FTP Session? > >I?ve tried this with four different computers in >four different locations both with Windows 7 and >Windows 10. Same error. Ports 20 and 21 which >are used for FTP are not blocked and other FTP transfers work. > >Kurzweil used to have a mailing list for support >but that seems to have disappeared. I?m running V14.7 of K1000. > >Also when I switch to the VW James voice, K1000 >wants to access its CD, but ignores the CD if I >insert it and gives me an error 1703. It then >can run James fine, but it takes a while as it >fruitlessly searches for the CD which it can?t locate even when it?s there. > >Anyone else encountered these issues and how >does one get email support these days ? I >already tried phone support and the guy had no idea. > >--Debee > From jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu Thu Feb 14 08:48:53 2019 From: jpolizzotto at berkeley.edu (Joseph Polizzotto) Date: Thu Feb 14 08:50:56 2019 Subject: [Athen] MathType and Screen Readers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Janet: Regarding VoiceOver, you could use the pandoc filter --tex2svg to create HTML + SVG. With the filter, MathJax speech rules engine inserts descriptive alt text as the element of each <svg> image, which is what is read aloud when the gets to the SVG. While some screen readers will want the navigation capabilities possible when the math is rendered as MathML, HTML + SVG + descriptive alt text is at least a degree of accessibility that VoiceOver users could benefit from. It also works on iOS with the two-swipe down speak down functionality. I have attached an example. Another option for individuals who read braille is to use either the --gladtex or --webtex flags when exporting with pandoc as that will render the math as PNG images + LaTeX alt text. Students who know LaTeX could then read the math more easily on their braille displays. HTH, Joseph On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 2:09 PM Janet Fukuda <jbf4811@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I have a question for you. We are trying to create Word Documents using > MathType that are to be read by screen readers and we are facing a few > issues. The folks at WIRIS have said: > > 1. The JAWS and NVDA screen readers both work to read math content in > web pages (with equations in mathml), but JAWS doesn't read MathType > equations in Word/PowerPoint. Only NVDA screen reader with > MathPlayer/MathType will read MathType equations in Word/PowerPoint. > 2. Voiceover does not yet read the math content (MathType equations). > Apple hasn't implemented the functionality for the reader to interpret them > at this time. In the past, we contacted Apple regarding the need for this, > but they don't have any immediate plans to integrate the feature. We don't > have a way to get it working with Voiceover. > > What has been your experience? 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URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190215/5f1a9c2f/attachment.html> From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Mon Feb 18 06:52:44 2019 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Mon Feb 18 06:53:04 2019 Subject: [Athen] Accessible virus software Message-ID: <BYAPR11MB3686C44D916F91E1D0FCBF9EDC630@BYAPR11MB3686.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> Hello all, I have a student who uses NVDA. He is asking about a good and accessible virus scanning program for his Windows 10 machine. Any recommendations? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190218/a88ce1dd/attachment.html> From kerscher at montana.com Mon Feb 18 07:18:49 2019 From: kerscher at montana.com (George Kerscher) Date: Mon Feb 18 07:19:11 2019 Subject: [Athen] Accessible virus software In-Reply-To: <BYAPR11MB3686C44D916F91E1D0FCBF9EDC630@BYAPR11MB3686.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> References: <BYAPR11MB3686C44D916F91E1D0FCBF9EDC630@BYAPR11MB3686.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <000001d4c79d$406f0ec0$c14d2c40$@montana.com> Hi, I am blind and use JAWS. I have ESET running. This company has gotten better over the years. Their tech support is willing to help with configurations by remoting in to my machine to make sure all settings are good. Updates are automatic, and the basic functions are accessible. Best George From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 7:53 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] Accessible virus software Hello all, I have a student who uses NVDA. He is asking about a good and accessible virus scanning program for his Windows 10 machine. Any recommendations? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu <mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190218/d911bf16/attachment.html> From alpuzz at msu.edu Mon Feb 18 07:34:44 2019 From: alpuzz at msu.edu (alpuzz) Date: Mon Feb 18 07:35:15 2019 Subject: [Athen] Accessible virus software In-Reply-To: <BYAPR11MB3686C44D916F91E1D0FCBF9EDC630@BYAPR11MB3686.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> References: <BYAPR11MB3686C44D916F91E1D0FCBF9EDC630@BYAPR11MB3686.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <SN1PR12MB243190A798EACD491C63978EC3630@SN1PR12MB2431.namprd12.prod.outlook.com> If the student is using Windows 10, then Windows Defender is worth strong consideration. It's included out of the box for free, it works as well or better than many of the third party products, it is by far the most accessible solution, and it is well behaved in that it doesn't often interfere with other programs. However, If the student does want a paid product, then I agree with George in that Eset is a good choice. Best regards, --al From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:53 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] Accessible virus software Hello all, I have a student who uses NVDA. He is asking about a good and accessible virus scanning program for his Windows 10 machine. Any recommendations? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of alpuzz Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:35 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible virus software If the student is using Windows 10, then Windows Defender is worth strong consideration. It's included out of the box for free, it works as well or better than many of the third party products, it is by far the most accessible solution, and it is well behaved in that it doesn't often interfere with other programs. However, If the student does want a paid product, then I agree with George in that Eset is a good choice. Best regards, --al From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:53 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>) <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [Athen] Accessible virus software Hello all, I have a student who uses NVDA. He is asking about a good and accessible virus scanning program for his Windows 10 machine. Any recommendations? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190218/faf6196d/attachment.html> From alpuzz at msu.edu Mon Feb 18 08:12:26 2019 From: alpuzz at msu.edu (alpuzz) Date: Mon Feb 18 08:12:36 2019 Subject: [Athen] Accessible virus software In-Reply-To: <BYAPR11MB3686CCBD09FB3C093BF568D6DC630@BYAPR11MB3686.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> References: <BYAPR11MB3686C44D916F91E1D0FCBF9EDC630@BYAPR11MB3686.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <SN1PR12MB243190A798EACD491C63978EC3630@SN1PR12MB2431.namprd12.prod.outlook.com> <BYAPR11MB3686CCBD09FB3C093BF568D6DC630@BYAPR11MB3686.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <SN1PR12MB24316D97E7E2471DA7A688C2C3630@SN1PR12MB2431.namprd12.prod.outlook.com> The analogy I like to use is a driver in a new, high tech car. You could have the best, most teched out car ever made, with airbags, ABS, blind spot detection, etc. But, if you're a careless driver, none of that really matters. AV is much the same. If you avoid questionable websites, are relatively suspicious and cognizant of email scams and don't install a lot of random software on your PC, you'll be okay. If on the other hand, you venture onto the dark web, install every piece of software that looks half way interesting, fall for email and phishing scams, then you'll be in trouble. In short, the careful user will be safe, but the careless user will get scammed, their machine infested with malware. The choice of AV is only a small part of the equation. HTH, --Al From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 10:55 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible virus software I think Defender is currently running, but he is concerned that it isn't enough. I've only used it myself and haven't had any issues ... yet. <grin> What are your thoughts on the strength of Defender? Thanks! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of alpuzz Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:35 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible virus software If the student is using Windows 10, then Windows Defender is worth strong consideration. It's included out of the box for free, it works as well or better than many of the third party products, it is by far the most accessible solution, and it is well behaved in that it doesn't often interfere with other programs. However, If the student does want a paid product, then I agree with George in that Eset is a good choice. Best regards, --al From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:53 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>) <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [Athen] Accessible virus software Hello all, I have a student who uses NVDA. He is asking about a good and accessible virus scanning program for his Windows 10 machine. Any recommendations? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of alpuzz Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 10:12 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible virus software The analogy I like to use is a driver in a new, high tech car. You could have the best, most teched out car ever made, with airbags, ABS, blind spot detection, etc. But, if you're a careless driver, none of that really matters. AV is much the same. If you avoid questionable websites, are relatively suspicious and cognizant of email scams and don't install a lot of random software on your PC, you'll be okay. If on the other hand, you venture onto the dark web, install every piece of software that looks half way interesting, fall for email and phishing scams, then you'll be in trouble. In short, the careful user will be safe, but the careless user will get scammed, their machine infested with malware. The choice of AV is only a small part of the equation. HTH, --Al From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 10:55 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible virus software I think Defender is currently running, but he is concerned that it isn't enough. I've only used it myself and haven't had any issues ... yet. <grin> What are your thoughts on the strength of Defender? Thanks! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of alpuzz Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:35 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible virus software If the student is using Windows 10, then Windows Defender is worth strong consideration. It's included out of the box for free, it works as well or better than many of the third party products, it is by far the most accessible solution, and it is well behaved in that it doesn't often interfere with other programs. However, If the student does want a paid product, then I agree with George in that Eset is a good choice. Best regards, --al From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:53 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>) <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [Athen] Accessible virus software Hello all, I have a student who uses NVDA. He is asking about a good and accessible virus scanning program for his Windows 10 machine. Any recommendations? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190218/8c195598/attachment.html> From kerscher at montana.com Mon Feb 18 09:04:10 2019 From: kerscher at montana.com (George Kerscher) Date: Mon Feb 18 09:04:33 2019 Subject: [Athen] Accessible virus software In-Reply-To: <BYAPR11MB368687D7BF1CF2E511E2D68DDC630@BYAPR11MB3686.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> References: <BYAPR11MB3686C44D916F91E1D0FCBF9EDC630@BYAPR11MB3686.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <SN1PR12MB243190A798EACD491C63978EC3630@SN1PR12MB2431.namprd12.prod.outlook.com> <BYAPR11MB3686CCBD09FB3C093BF568D6DC630@BYAPR11MB3686.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <SN1PR12MB24316D97E7E2471DA7A688C2C3630@SN1PR12MB2431.namprd12.prod.outlook.com> <BYAPR11MB368687D7BF1CF2E511E2D68DDC630@BYAPR11MB3686.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <004e01d4c7ab$f76e19f0$e64a4dd0$@montana.com> Do people know if you can run Defender and ESET at the same time? I know my Lenovo is also running WIFI inspection software along with ESET. It reports when I connect to a wifi spot that it is following proper safeguards. Best George From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible virus software That's a very good way to put it. I think I'll share it that way to the student. Thanks for your feedback. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu <mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > On Behalf Of alpuzz Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 10:12 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible virus software The analogy I like to use is a driver in a new, high tech car. You could have the best, most teched out car ever made, with airbags, ABS, blind spot detection, etc. But, if you're a careless driver, none of that really matters. AV is much the same. If you avoid questionable websites, are relatively suspicious and cognizant of email scams and don't install a lot of random software on your PC, you'll be okay. If on the other hand, you venture onto the dark web, install every piece of software that looks half way interesting, fall for email and phishing scams, then you'll be in trouble. In short, the careful user will be safe, but the careless user will get scammed, their machine infested with malware. The choice of AV is only a small part of the equation. HTH, --Al From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 10:55 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible virus software I think Defender is currently running, but he is concerned that it isn't enough. I've only used it myself and haven't had any issues . yet. <grin> What are your thoughts on the strength of Defender? Thanks! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu <mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > On Behalf Of alpuzz Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:35 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible virus software If the student is using Windows 10, then Windows Defender is worth strong consideration. It's included out of the box for free, it works as well or better than many of the third party products, it is by far the most accessible solution, and it is well behaved in that it doesn't often interfere with other programs. However, If the student does want a paid product, then I agree with George in that Eset is a good choice. Best regards, --al From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:53 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu> ) <athen-list@u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: [Athen] Accessible virus software Hello all, I have a student who uses NVDA. He is asking about a good and accessible virus scanning program for his Windows 10 machine. Any recommendations? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu <mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190218/0d401b10/attachment.html> From alpuzz at msu.edu Mon Feb 18 09:30:01 2019 From: alpuzz at msu.edu (alpuzz) Date: Mon Feb 18 09:30:10 2019 Subject: [Athen] Accessible virus software In-Reply-To: <004e01d4c7ab$f76e19f0$e64a4dd0$@montana.com> References: <BYAPR11MB3686C44D916F91E1D0FCBF9EDC630@BYAPR11MB3686.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <SN1PR12MB243190A798EACD491C63978EC3630@SN1PR12MB2431.namprd12.prod.outlook.com> <BYAPR11MB3686CCBD09FB3C093BF568D6DC630@BYAPR11MB3686.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <SN1PR12MB24316D97E7E2471DA7A688C2C3630@SN1PR12MB2431.namprd12.prod.outlook.com> <BYAPR11MB368687D7BF1CF2E511E2D68DDC630@BYAPR11MB3686.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <004e01d4c7ab$f76e19f0$e64a4dd0$@montana.com> Message-ID: <SN1PR12MB24313C1C27AF0CE6C92C98FDC3630@SN1PR12MB2431.namprd12.prod.outlook.com> Hi George, My understanding is that in order to prevent conflicts, Defender disables itself as soon as it detects that another AV program has been installed. You could run the Windows Defender Firewall in conjunction with Eset AV; but as soon as you enable a third party AV, Defender's AV becomes dorment. HTH, --Al From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of George Kerscher Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 12:04 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible virus software Do people know if you can run Defender and ESET at the same time? I know my Lenovo is also running WIFI inspection software along with ESET. It reports when I connect to a wifi spot that it is following proper safeguards. Best George From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:37 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible virus software That's a very good way to put it. I think I'll share it that way to the student. Thanks for your feedback. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of alpuzz Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 10:12 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible virus software The analogy I like to use is a driver in a new, high tech car. You could have the best, most teched out car ever made, with airbags, ABS, blind spot detection, etc. But, if you're a careless driver, none of that really matters. AV is much the same. If you avoid questionable websites, are relatively suspicious and cognizant of email scams and don't install a lot of random software on your PC, you'll be okay. If on the other hand, you venture onto the dark web, install every piece of software that looks half way interesting, fall for email and phishing scams, then you'll be in trouble. In short, the careful user will be safe, but the careless user will get scammed, their machine infested with malware. The choice of AV is only a small part of the equation. HTH, --Al From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 10:55 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible virus software I think Defender is currently running, but he is concerned that it isn't enough. I've only used it myself and haven't had any issues ... yet. <grin> What are your thoughts on the strength of Defender? Thanks! Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of alpuzz Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:35 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Accessible virus software If the student is using Windows 10, then Windows Defender is worth strong consideration. It's included out of the box for free, it works as well or better than many of the third party products, it is by far the most accessible solution, and it is well behaved in that it doesn't often interfere with other programs. However, If the student does want a paid product, then I agree with George in that Eset is a good choice. Best regards, --al From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 9:53 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>) <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [Athen] Accessible virus software Hello all, I have a student who uses NVDA. He is asking about a good and accessible virus scanning program for his Windows 10 machine. Any recommendations? Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Unfortunately, you'll have to go page by page to add other tags to the book. I'm not sure if that's a feature Adobe will change, because they would have to change the way alt-text is held in images. Good luck! Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu<mailto:neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu> [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Keith Kolander Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 11:57 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Adobe issue Greetings, Came across an issue with Adobe Acrobat DC, when auto-tagging a particular pdf textbook: It messed up some descriptions of images! You wouldn't think auto-tagging would make matters worse. I hope Adobe is working on this issue. (So far I have not been able to get thru to Adobe via a chat box to find out the status of this.) Keith Keith Kolander Adaptive Technology Specialist St. Charles Community College Cottleville, MO 63376 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190218/89745a64/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is anyone out there using something similar that you know to be accessible that you could share with us? Best, [The Ohio State University] Peter Bossley Director, Digital Accessibility Center ADA Coordinator's Office - Office of University Compliance and Integrity Student Life Disability Services 950 Lincoln Tower, 1800 Cannon Dr, Columbus, OH 43210 614-688-3028 Office bossley.5@osu.edu<mailto:bossley.5@osu.edu> accessibility.osu.edu<http://accessibility.osu.edu/> ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190218/2f2d797e/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Their initial ask was around > Headspace <https://www.headspace.com/> but this application and web site > has a number of accessibility issues that we would need to work through in > order to offer this to our campus community. > > Is anyone out there using something similar that you know to be accessible > that you could share with us? > > Best, > > > > [image: The Ohio State University] > *Peter Bossley* > Director, Digital Accessibility Center > ADA Coordinator's Office - Office of University Compliance and Integrity > Student Life Disability Services > 950 Lincoln Tower, 1800 Cannon Dr, Columbus, OH 43210 > 614-688-3028 Office > bossley.5@osu.edu accessibility.osu.edu > ------------------------------ > > > > > -- Scott Marshall Associate Director University of Minnesota Disability Resource Center o. 612.626.4954 m. 612.245.7632 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marketing would have you believe it can help with all things, but that?s not necessarily the case. Don?t get me wrong, I like Headspace for beginners of meditation, but it doesn?t have all the answers the student government may be looking for. If you?re looking for another option, one I like is ?MindShift? which is a free app from the Anxiety Disorders Association of British Columbia. It has a much more comprehensive set of tools, and the app is more accessible. It still has plenty of guided exercises using audio (much like Headspace). I?d like to recommend another app which I have used for years. It?s called SuperBetter<http://www.superbetter.com/>, and it is a sort of self-help game. It lets you pick an area of your life you?d like to work on, then you are given simple everyday ?Quests? and ?Power-Ups? that you can complete which help to build emotional, mental, physical, and social resilience. It enables people to be their own hero. I love it, honestly! This app is free to use. There is a website, and an iOS/Android mobile app. Honestly the Android app needs work, and it?s best to sign up online then log in to the app. Hope this gives you some ideas. There are a lot of apps to help with mental health, but some are more efficacious than others. Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu<mailto:neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu> [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Scott Marshall Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 3:03 PM To: Bossley, Peter A. <bossley.5@osu.edu> Cc: ITAG <cio.itag@lists.btaa.org>; Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) <athen-list@u.washington.edu>; The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Community Group Listserv <ITACCESS@listserv.educause.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] [cio.itag] Accessible medetation and mental health application Hi Pete - Don't know about accessibility of the app but the one in the same class as Headspace that's frequently mentioned is called Calm. scott On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 1:41 PM Bossley, Peter A. <bossley.5@osu.edu<mailto:bossley.5@osu.edu>> wrote: Greetings higher ed colleagues., Our student government has approached us with a desire to procure an application that provides some supports around mental health issues to provide to students on our campuses. Their initial ask was around Headspace<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.headspace.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cneal.sorensen%40mnsu.edu%7Cedd77896f34e4033e2fa08d695e51586%7C5011c7c60ab446ab9ef4fae74a921a7f%7C0%7C1%7C636861208475045541&sdata=M4BD2vS%2BVk9WacUYRpBXEBQg6cHhXF0nVuLliyxO5rM%3D&reserved=0> but this application and web site has a number of accessibility issues that we would need to work through in order to offer this to our campus community. Is anyone out there using something similar that you know to be accessible that you could share with us? Best, [The Ohio State University] Peter Bossley Director, Digital Accessibility Center ADA Coordinator's Office - Office of University Compliance and Integrity Student Life Disability Services 950 Lincoln Tower, 1800 Cannon Dr, Columbus, OH 43210 614-688-3028 Office bossley.5@osu.edu<mailto:bossley.5@osu.edu> accessibility.osu.edu<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faccessibility.osu.edu%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cneal.sorensen%40mnsu.edu%7Cedd77896f34e4033e2fa08d695e51586%7C5011c7c60ab446ab9ef4fae74a921a7f%7C0%7C1%7C636861208475055546&sdata=gsY1RlpRzEcSXHq4NF5Q93Q1%2B89iesI83qM5CoFKRos%3D&reserved=0> ________________________________ -- Scott Marshall Associate Director University of Minnesota Disability Resource Center o. 612.626.4954 m. 612.245.7632 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 3605 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190219/15d3eb41/attachment.png> From neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu Tue Feb 19 06:51:38 2019 From: neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu (Sorensen, Neal B) Date: Tue Feb 19 06:52:03 2019 Subject: [Athen] [cio.itag] Accessible medetation and mental health application In-Reply-To: <CA+3h58Qs4aaX1y8r0Wx9Zg2rCYXMV4o1ioBJxxaapXvGu=0jJA@mail.gmail.com> References: <BN6PR0101MB30414524A46AE6BB3F110680AF630@BN6PR0101MB3041.prod.exchangelabs.com> <CA+3h58Qs4aaX1y8r0Wx9Zg2rCYXMV4o1ioBJxxaapXvGu=0jJA@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <BN7PR10MB26281914622BBD79BC130801907C0@BN7PR10MB2628.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> Peter, This type of app is a bit of a passion of mine, so I have a lot of ideas for you. I?m not sure I would classify Headspace as a ?mental health app? as it is mainly focused on mindfulness meditation. Marketing would have you believe it can help with all things, but that?s not necessarily the case. Don?t get me wrong, I like Headspace for beginners of meditation, but it doesn?t have all the answers the student government may be looking for. If you?re looking for another option, one I like is ?MindShift? which is a free app from the Anxiety Disorders Association of British Columbia. It has a much more comprehensive set of tools, and the app is more accessible. It still has plenty of guided exercises using audio (much like Headspace). I?d like to recommend another app which I have used for years. It?s called SuperBetter, and it is a sort of self-help game. It lets you pick a goal to work on, then users are given simple everyday ?Quests? and ?Power-Ups? users can complete which help to build emotional, mental, physical, and social resilience. It all builds up to reaching an ?Epic Win,? or successfully reaching your goal. It enables people to be their own hero. I love it, honestly! This app is free to use, and there are multiple ways to use it. There is a website, and an iOS/Android mobile app. Honestly the Android app needs work, and it?s best to sign up online then log in to the app, everything else works well. Hope this gives you some ideas. There are a lot of apps to help with mental health, but some are more efficacious than others. Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu<mailto:neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu> [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Scott Marshall Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 3:03 PM To: Bossley, Peter A. <bossley.5@osu.edu> Cc: ITAG <cio.itag@lists.btaa.org>; Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) <athen-list@u.washington.edu>; The EDUCAUSE IT Accessibility Community Group Listserv <ITACCESS@listserv.educause.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] [cio.itag] Accessible medetation and mental health application Hi Pete - Don't know about accessibility of the app but the one in the same class as Headspace that's frequently mentioned is called Calm. scott On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 1:41 PM Bossley, Peter A. <bossley.5@osu.edu<mailto:bossley.5@osu.edu>> wrote: Greetings higher ed colleagues., Our student government has approached us with a desire to procure an application that provides some supports around mental health issues to provide to students on our campuses. Their initial ask was around Headspace<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.headspace.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cneal.sorensen%40mnsu.edu%7Cedd77896f34e4033e2fa08d695e51586%7C5011c7c60ab446ab9ef4fae74a921a7f%7C0%7C1%7C636861208475045541&sdata=M4BD2vS%2BVk9WacUYRpBXEBQg6cHhXF0nVuLliyxO5rM%3D&reserved=0> but this application and web site has a number of accessibility issues that we would need to work through in order to offer this to our campus community. Is anyone out there using something similar that you know to be accessible that you could share with us? Best, [The Ohio State University] Peter Bossley Director, Digital Accessibility Center ADA Coordinator's Office - Office of University Compliance and Integrity Student Life Disability Services 950 Lincoln Tower, 1800 Cannon Dr, Columbus, OH 43210 614-688-3028 Office bossley.5@osu.edu<mailto:bossley.5@osu.edu> accessibility.osu.edu<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faccessibility.osu.edu%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cneal.sorensen%40mnsu.edu%7Cedd77896f34e4033e2fa08d695e51586%7C5011c7c60ab446ab9ef4fae74a921a7f%7C0%7C1%7C636861208475055546&sdata=gsY1RlpRzEcSXHq4NF5Q93Q1%2B89iesI83qM5CoFKRos%3D&reserved=0> ________________________________ -- Scott Marshall Associate Director University of Minnesota Disability Resource Center o. 612.626.4954 m. 612.245.7632 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you could include a little background about your decision to pick what you did that would be helpful too -- Corrine Schoeb Technology Accessibility Coordinator, ITS 610-957-6208 *** Swarthmore College ITS will never ask you for your password, including by email. Please keep your passwords private to protect yourself and the security of our network. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190219/14611cee/attachment.html> From athenpresident at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 11:16:03 2019 From: athenpresident at gmail.com (ATHEN President) Date: Thu Feb 21 11:16:22 2019 Subject: [Athen] Announcing 2019 Teresa Haven Scholarship Award Message-ID: <CAJGJqxRSMpRLCuyQiMOapJF9FcW9VUPQmUJzfO4qxTo4BqChdA@mail.gmail.com> Hello ATHEN Members, I would like to announce the 2019 Teresa Haven Scholarship for Students with Disabilities is now open for nominations and applications. Information about the scholarship and eligibility is available at the following site: https://athenpro.org/content/teresa-haven-scholarship-students-disabilities Teresa Haven, Ph.D., was a long-time ATHEN contributor and member of the Executive Council. She was a passionate advocate for student equity and diversity in higher education. In remembrance of her dedication and service to students, the ATHEN membership voted unanimously to create a scholarship in her memory. To read more about Teresa, please visit: http://www.norvelowensmortuary.com/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=3915612&fh_id=13224 For more information and the application form, please visit the ATHEN Scholarship website: https://athenpro.org/content/teresa-haven-scholarship-students-disabilities Deadline to apply is March 29, 2019. Thank you to the Executive Council and to those who have volunteered to participate on the Scholarship Review Committee. Thank you, Dawn Dawn Hunziker ATHEN President -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190221/5972a7c4/attachment.html> From accessonline at clemson.edu Thu Feb 21 11:11:40 2019 From: accessonline at clemson.edu (Michelle Tuten: Clemson Online Coor. of Access.) Date: Thu Feb 21 11:24:12 2019 Subject: [Athen] Perusall Accessibility [Crosslisted] Message-ID: <CAN-k-HM=QF81Bq3CUpQA42g4zNTjN0Q-YD3GLDb_rHpPcmCmuA@mail.gmail.com> Hello Accessibility Communities! I hope you all are doing well. I have a colleague who is using Perusall <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__perusall.com_&d=DwIBaQ&c=Ngd-ta5yRYsqeUsEDgxhcqsYYY1Xs5ogLxWPA_2Wlc4&r=2JoPbkP9gSrXlohQKP4Sb_YpB4HzKbZEMzRT4cD1IRs&m=E6OhtHzLwr-NQzGANxSjq9Z1PYptYBX7nTNEX0uqeVE&s=4GQLc2GuugLekSqiRlYO4SHrUGEBQJoz5z6-N3E-_50&e=> in a course, and she has asked me about how accessible it is. I'm currently unable to test the tool myself, so I thought I'd ask you. Do any of you have experience with Perusall and have thoughts on how accessible it is? I feel as if one of these communities has recently discussed Perusall <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__perusall.com_&d=DwIBaQ&c=Ngd-ta5yRYsqeUsEDgxhcqsYYY1Xs5ogLxWPA_2Wlc4&r=2JoPbkP9gSrXlohQKP4Sb_YpB4HzKbZEMzRT4cD1IRs&m=E6OhtHzLwr-NQzGANxSjq9Z1PYptYBX7nTNEX0uqeVE&s=4GQLc2GuugLekSqiRlYO4SHrUGEBQJoz5z6-N3E-_50&e=>, but I wasn't able to quickly find the conversation in my inbox. As such, I apologize if this is a repeat conversation for some of you. If you would like to remind me of the dates for that conversation instead of repeating yourself, please feel free to do so. -- Have a wonderful day! *Michelle Tuten* *Coordinator of Accessibility * *and Universal Design of Learning* Google Hangout: mtuten@g.clemson.edu WebEx Meeting <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__clemson.webex.com_meet_mtuten&d=DwIBaQ&c=Ngd-ta5yRYsqeUsEDgxhcqsYYY1Xs5ogLxWPA_2Wlc4&r=2JoPbkP9gSrXlohQKP4Sb_YpB4HzKbZEMzRT4cD1IRs&m=E6OhtHzLwr-NQzGANxSjq9Z1PYptYBX7nTNEX0uqeVE&s=3nYHuJLvnMptsy3zGFanlUYi6F9jnmjB5gpdvTkPjzI&e=> (by appointment) Clemson Online 502 Lebanon Rd. Pendleton, SC 29670 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability Services Boston University 25 Buick Street 3rd Floor Boston, MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu<mailto:lnorwich@bu.edu> (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability<http://www.bu.edu/disability> (website) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190221/7f24c89b/attachment.html> From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Thu Feb 21 11:34:07 2019 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Thu Feb 21 11:34:31 2019 Subject: [Athen] Does anyone have these books In-Reply-To: <BN7PR03MB36652969DC027B6BB1552F73BD7E0@BN7PR03MB3665.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> References: <BN7PR03MB36652969DC027B6BB1552F73BD7E0@BN7PR03MB3665.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <DM6PR03MB41535ED7D9C6FBB8E7463DE9FB7E0@DM6PR03MB4153.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> Both of these should be available on Bookshare. You can download a Word version but I will warn you the files will need work before you can give them to a student. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Norwich, Lorraine S Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 12:28 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] Does anyone have these books Dear All, I am having a lot of trouble finding these books in alternative format. Please let me know as I have seen proof of purchase. Title: Good Bye Columbus Author(s): Roth Publisher: Penguin Random House Edition: 1993 ISBN 13: 9780679748267 Title: More than Good Intentions Author(s): Karlan and Appel Publisher: Penguin Random House ISBN 13: 9780452297562 Thanks Lorraine Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability Services Boston University 25 Buick Street 3rd Floor Boston, MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu<mailto:lnorwich@bu.edu> (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability<http://www.bu.edu/disability> (website) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu<mailto:neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu> [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 1:34 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Does anyone have these books Both of these should be available on Bookshare. You can download a Word version but I will warn you the files will need work before you can give them to a student. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Norwich, Lorraine S Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 12:28 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [Athen] Does anyone have these books Dear All, I am having a lot of trouble finding these books in alternative format. Please let me know as I have seen proof of purchase. Title: Good Bye Columbus Author(s): Roth Publisher: Penguin Random House Edition: 1993 ISBN 13: 9780679748267 Title: More than Good Intentions Author(s): Karlan and Appel Publisher: Penguin Random House ISBN 13: 9780452297562 Thanks Lorraine Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS Assistant Director of Disability Services Boston University 25 Buick Street 3rd Floor Boston, MA 02215 lnorwich@bu.edu<mailto:lnorwich@bu.edu> (email) 617-353-3658 (vox) 617-353-9646 (fax) www.bu.edu/disability<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bu.edu%2Fdisability&data=02%7C01%7Cneal.sorensen%40mnsu.edu%7Cea33da8cf95842b53ca208d698341a85%7C5011c7c60ab446ab9ef4fae74a921a7f%7C0%7C0%7C636863746892436514&sdata=dACWQpPQ9hrLCESOilMqPegfdPpTncBDMnlMOxZc%2BLM%3D&reserved=0> (website) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But the current student says it's too difficult to magnify both his handwriting and the whiteboard at the same time. Not having enough vision myself for it to be useful, I'm unsure if this kid is making excuses or it's a real problem. My other students tend to just snap pictures of the board and deal with those photos later, but this student says what's on the board is interactive and he needs to switch between writing, reading the board and reading the textbook in remedial math. This student is resisting using any sort of low-vision aid, but he's getting to the point where one is necessary. What suggestions do you have for coping with this kind of situation? How have students coped with the problem of magnifying both the board and their handwriting, for example? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190226/707a95fe/attachment.html> From CherniwchanL at macewan.ca Tue Feb 26 10:05:22 2019 From: CherniwchanL at macewan.ca (Liza Eldred) Date: Tue Feb 26 10:05:41 2019 Subject: [Athen] Question about using a magnifyer in the classroom In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE5B55A@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE5B55A@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: <YTXPR0101MB19834AB06DD18EDEAC83D877A07B0@YTXPR0101MB1983.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> Hi Debee, Maybe take a look at the Smartmarker. We have recommended this to a few of our students. Here is the website. https://www.luidia.com/smartmarker/ Liza Liza Eldred cherniwchanl@macewan.ca Assistive Technology Specialist Assistive Computer Technology Service Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198D-2, 10700 - 104 Avenue Edmonton, AB (780) 497-5826 Fax: 780-497-4018 www.macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 10:52 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] Question about using a magnifyer in the classroom We are a community college. I have one low-vision student who can barely see the board in the first row, so we want to supply him with a video magnifier for the classroom. Ours have a rotating camera to magnify either the board or the textbook. Many of my students love these magnifiers. But the current student says it's too difficult to magnify both his handwriting and the whiteboard at the same time. Not having enough vision myself for it to be useful, I'm unsure if this kid is making excuses or it's a real problem. My other students tend to just snap pictures of the board and deal with those photos later, but this student says what's on the board is interactive and he needs to switch between writing, reading the board and reading the textbook in remedial math. This student is resisting using any sort of low-vision aid, but he's getting to the point where one is necessary. What suggestions do you have for coping with this kind of situation? How have students coped with the problem of magnifying both the board and their handwriting, for example? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190226/90d2085d/attachment.html> From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Tue Feb 26 10:10:12 2019 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Tue Feb 26 10:10:41 2019 Subject: [Athen] Question about using a magnifyer in the classroom In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE5B55A@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE5B55A@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: <SN6PR11MB32947480500572B36A7BC193DC7B0@SN6PR11MB3294.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> What system are you currently using? If the person wants to magnify both the board and handwriting at the same time, that sounds like a dual camera system. Some systems make it very easy to move the camera between the two positions. If you have something like the Transformer, maybe connecting a web cam to magnify the board and use the Transformer to magnify the handwriting. Then he would only have to switch between screens on the laptop, if you're using a laptop. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 11:52 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] Question about using a magnifyer in the classroom We are a community college. I have one low-vision student who can barely see the board in the first row, so we want to supply him with a video magnifier for the classroom. Ours have a rotating camera to magnify either the board or the textbook. Many of my students love these magnifiers. But the current student says it's too difficult to magnify both his handwriting and the whiteboard at the same time. Not having enough vision myself for it to be useful, I'm unsure if this kid is making excuses or it's a real problem. My other students tend to just snap pictures of the board and deal with those photos later, but this student says what's on the board is interactive and he needs to switch between writing, reading the board and reading the textbook in remedial math. This student is resisting using any sort of low-vision aid, but he's getting to the point where one is necessary. What suggestions do you have for coping with this kind of situation? How have students coped with the problem of magnifying both the board and their handwriting, for example? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190226/461d4eac/attachment.html> From hunziker at email.arizona.edu Tue Feb 26 10:18:59 2019 From: hunziker at email.arizona.edu (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)) Date: Tue Feb 26 10:19:16 2019 Subject: [Athen] Question about using a magnifyer in the classroom In-Reply-To: <SN6PR11MB32947480500572B36A7BC193DC7B0@SN6PR11MB3294.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE5B55A@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> <SN6PR11MB32947480500572B36A7BC193DC7B0@SN6PR11MB3294.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <MWHPR19MB1327EA49C476F5133E596A879E7B0@MWHPR19MB1327.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> Hi all, There are times where we've used live streaming services/lecture capture/recording in a class (Zoom or Panopto in our case) and had the student use an iPad or computer to view the instructional content on the board. We've also had the student use the iPad camera zoom feature and that worked as well - it really depends on the student's visual ability. Dawn ~~ Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. |Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@email.arizona.edu<mailto:hunziker@email.arizona.edu> drc.arizona.edu<http://drc.arizona.edu/> | itaccessibility.arizona.edu<http://itaccessibility.arizona.edu/> 520-626-9409 From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 11:10 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Question about using a magnifyer in the classroom What system are you currently using? If the person wants to magnify both the board and handwriting at the same time, that sounds like a dual camera system. Some systems make it very easy to move the camera between the two positions. If you have something like the Transformer, maybe connecting a web cam to magnify the board and use the Transformer to magnify the handwriting. Then he would only have to switch between screens on the laptop, if you're using a laptop. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 11:52 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [Athen] Question about using a magnifyer in the classroom We are a community college. I have one low-vision student who can barely see the board in the first row, so we want to supply him with a video magnifier for the classroom. Ours have a rotating camera to magnify either the board or the textbook. Many of my students love these magnifiers. But the current student says it's too difficult to magnify both his handwriting and the whiteboard at the same time. Not having enough vision myself for it to be useful, I'm unsure if this kid is making excuses or it's a real problem. My other students tend to just snap pictures of the board and deal with those photos later, but this student says what's on the board is interactive and he needs to switch between writing, reading the board and reading the textbook in remedial math. This student is resisting using any sort of low-vision aid, but he's getting to the point where one is necessary. What suggestions do you have for coping with this kind of situation? How have students coped with the problem of magnifying both the board and their handwriting, for example? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190226/eab907da/attachment.html> From mortado at cfcc.edu Tue Feb 26 11:17:16 2019 From: mortado at cfcc.edu (Maria Ortado) Date: Tue Feb 26 11:18:37 2019 Subject: [Athen] Question about using a magnifyer in the classroom In-Reply-To: <MWHPR19MB1327EA49C476F5133E596A879E7B0@MWHPR19MB1327.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE5B55A@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> <SN6PR11MB32947480500572B36A7BC193DC7B0@SN6PR11MB3294.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <MWHPR19MB1327EA49C476F5133E596A879E7B0@MWHPR19MB1327.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <CAPzX2c627M_-gkzgwNwe7qs1Z7NDd2=YUZ9S05FcyQoogP6KFw@mail.gmail.com> I do not think this student is being difficult. They would have to adjust the focus and framing every time they have to switch back and forth between the board and their desk. What about using your current technology for the board and a lighted, table-mounted, magnifier for the written/textbook stuff. Something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Lighted-Table-Magnifier-Magnifying-Glass/dp /B01FCUSQW6 *Maria Ortado* Interpreter Coordinator Disability Support Services Office: U216 Cape Fear Community College mortado@cfcc.edu <mcortado334@mail.cfcc.edu> Phone: (910) 362-7098 Dial 7-1-1 for Telecommunications Relay Service <https://www.fcc.gov/general/telecommunications-relay-services-trs> Fax: (910) 362-7113 On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 1:20 PM Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker) < hunziker@email.arizona.edu> wrote: > Hi all, > > > > There are times where we?ve used live streaming services/lecture > capture/recording in a class (Zoom or Panopto in our case) and had the > student use an iPad or computer to view the instructional content on the > board. We?ve also had the student use the iPad camera zoom feature and that > worked as well ? it really depends on the student?s visual ability. > > > > Dawn > > > > ~~ > > Dawn Hunziker > > IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. |Disability Resources > > The University of Arizona | *hunziker@email.arizona.edu > <hunziker@email.arizona.edu>* > > *drc.arizona.edu <http://drc.arizona.edu/>* | *itaccessibility.arizona.edu > <http://itaccessibility.arizona.edu/>* > > 520-626-9409 > > > > *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On > Behalf Of *Robert Beach > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2019 11:10 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Question about using a magnifyer in the classroom > > > > What system are you currently using? If the person wants to magnify both > the board and handwriting at the same time, that sounds like a dual camera > system. Some systems make it very easy to move the camera between the two > positions. If you have something like the Transformer, maybe connecting a > web cam to magnify the board and use the Transformer to magnify the > handwriting. Then he would only have to switch between screens on the > laptop, if you?re using a laptop. > > > > > > Robert Lee Beach > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Kansas City Kansas Community College > > 7250 State Avenue > > Kansas City, KS 66112 > > Phone: 913-288-7671 > > Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On > Behalf Of *Deborah Armstrong > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 26, 2019 11:52 AM > *To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Question about using a magnifyer in the classroom > > > > We are a community college. I have one low-vision student who can barely > see the board in the first row, so we want to supply him with a video > magnifier for the classroom. > > > > Ours have a rotating camera to magnify either the board or the textbook. > Many of my students love these magnifiers. > > > > But the current student says it?s too difficult to magnify both his > handwriting and the whiteboard at the same time. Not having enough vision > myself for it to be useful, I?m unsure if this kid is making excuses or > it?s a real problem. My other students tend to just snap pictures of the > board and deal with those photos later, but this student says what?s on the > board is interactive and he needs to switch between writing, reading the > board and reading the textbook in remedial math. > > > > This student is resisting using any sort of low-vision aid, but he?s > getting to the point where one is necessary. > > > > What suggestions do you have for coping with this kind of situation? How > have students coped with the problem of magnifying both the board and their > handwriting, for example? > > > > --Debee > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties by an authorized state official. (NCGS.Ch.132) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know it isn?t as flexible as some of the higher-end systems but we are a large college, and I am concerned that other devices will disappear. Also this is the first student who is truly unwilling to try magnification in the classroom. I will continue to look at your suggestions; thanks everyone. --Debee From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Maria Ortado Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 11:17 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Question about using a magnifyer in the classroom I do not think this student is being difficult. They would have to adjust the focus and framing every time they have to switch back and forth between the board and their desk. What about using your current technology for the board and a lighted, table-mounted, magnifier for the written/textbook stuff. Something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Lighted-Table-Magnifier-Magnifying-Glass/dp/B01FCUSQW6<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_Lighted-2DTable-2DMagnifier-2DMagnifying-2DGlass_dp_B01FCUSQW6&d=DwMFaQ&c=WORo6LNFtQOb4SPVta8Jsg&r=K_2Yg4I05GGnHlSOevlp3QeE5-JEqtmoUnmP0YVj9ZM&m=YR1S6eIxHT1Uue1f1OeieBBANtbh34SmrbGGnT2FRHw&s=tI7GV7Zb_yyxAd2IKYXVzFzljHZ1NrAlmq_fFO5deuA&e=> Maria Ortado Interpreter Coordinator Disability Support Services Office: U216 Cape Fear Community College mortado@cfcc.edu<mailto:mcortado334@mail.cfcc.edu> Phone: (910) 362-7098 Dial 7-1-1 for Telecommunications Relay Service<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.fcc.gov_general_telecommunications-2Drelay-2Dservices-2Dtrs&d=DwMFaQ&c=WORo6LNFtQOb4SPVta8Jsg&r=K_2Yg4I05GGnHlSOevlp3QeE5-JEqtmoUnmP0YVj9ZM&m=YR1S6eIxHT1Uue1f1OeieBBANtbh34SmrbGGnT2FRHw&s=wzfFIhqldegfq9w00yFI-9Rbw9339Y_ayxoZAN4IVDU&e=> Fax: (910) 362-7113 [Image removed by sender.] On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 1:20 PM Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker) <hunziker@email.arizona.edu<mailto:hunziker@email.arizona.edu>> wrote: Hi all, There are times where we?ve used live streaming services/lecture capture/recording in a class (Zoom or Panopto in our case) and had the student use an iPad or computer to view the instructional content on the board. We?ve also had the student use the iPad camera zoom feature and that worked as well ? it really depends on the student?s visual ability. Dawn ~~ Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. |Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@email.arizona.edu<mailto:hunziker@email.arizona.edu> drc.arizona.edu<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__drc.arizona.edu_&d=DwMFaQ&c=WORo6LNFtQOb4SPVta8Jsg&r=K_2Yg4I05GGnHlSOevlp3QeE5-JEqtmoUnmP0YVj9ZM&m=YR1S6eIxHT1Uue1f1OeieBBANtbh34SmrbGGnT2FRHw&s=YNCDvh9vWAS8rVF4dpqa8INQgJc_IXYo6xf31QZibBc&e=> | itaccessibility.arizona.edu<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__itaccessibility.arizona.edu_&d=DwMFaQ&c=WORo6LNFtQOb4SPVta8Jsg&r=K_2Yg4I05GGnHlSOevlp3QeE5-JEqtmoUnmP0YVj9ZM&m=YR1S6eIxHT1Uue1f1OeieBBANtbh34SmrbGGnT2FRHw&s=lPmZe2SDLBaScEH1kgH04ug7u-x_OK_Plo58pH7SSbA&e=> 520-626-9409 From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 11:10 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Question about using a magnifyer in the classroom What system are you currently using? If the person wants to magnify both the board and handwriting at the same time, that sounds like a dual camera system. Some systems make it very easy to move the camera between the two positions. If you have something like the Transformer, maybe connecting a web cam to magnify the board and use the Transformer to magnify the handwriting. Then he would only have to switch between screens on the laptop, if you?re using a laptop. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 11:52 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [Athen] Question about using a magnifyer in the classroom We are a community college. I have one low-vision student who can barely see the board in the first row, so we want to supply him with a video magnifier for the classroom. Ours have a rotating camera to magnify either the board or the textbook. Many of my students love these magnifiers. But the current student says it?s too difficult to magnify both his handwriting and the whiteboard at the same time. Not having enough vision myself for it to be useful, I?m unsure if this kid is making excuses or it?s a real problem. My other students tend to just snap pictures of the board and deal with those photos later, but this student says what?s on the board is interactive and he needs to switch between writing, reading the board and reading the textbook in remedial math. This student is resisting using any sort of low-vision aid, but he?s getting to the point where one is necessary. What suggestions do you have for coping with this kind of situation? How have students coped with the problem of magnifying both the board and their handwriting, for example? --Debee _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailman12.u.washington.edu_mailman_listinfo_athen-2Dlist&d=DwMFaQ&c=WORo6LNFtQOb4SPVta8Jsg&r=K_2Yg4I05GGnHlSOevlp3QeE5-JEqtmoUnmP0YVj9ZM&m=YR1S6eIxHT1Uue1f1OeieBBANtbh34SmrbGGnT2FRHw&s=OIVPqlDYMtvKhUi6PjG-Pgwkibc4LZRg8ci6MaV6puE&e=> E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties by an authorized state official. (NCGS.Ch.132) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We have reached out to the department chair to get information for production purposes, but I'm wondering if anyone knows of a specific calc. textbook/images that have already been converted that we might be able to suggest as an option for the course to have the fastest turnaround time possible. Any info you have is greatly appreciated! Thanks, Ione Priest, CPACC Pronouns: she, her, hers Accessibility Technology Manager Access Center Plaza 122 Metropolitan State University of Denver ipriest@msudenver.edu Phone: 303-615-0200 Fax: 720-778-5662 [Metropolitan State University of Denver] This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190227/9a8f6690/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 14590 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190227/9a8f6690/attachment.jpg> From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Wed Feb 27 08:32:32 2019 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Wed Feb 27 08:32:48 2019 Subject: [Athen] Brailled Calculus Textbook In-Reply-To: <DM6PR03MB4699542D2AA373E936C80A3AA5740@DM6PR03MB4699.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> References: <DM6PR03MB4699542D2AA373E936C80A3AA5740@DM6PR03MB4699.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <DM6PR03MB415362C2DDA1625132B77A74FB740@DM6PR03MB4153.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> We have been working on a number of calc books for other universities. There are probably a million out there. We have at least two pre-calc books in MathML that could easily be turned to Braille, and parts of several Calc books that are also in MathML. When you figure out what the book is, we can compare it to our list and see if we have it. The most recent one we did a ton of was University Calculus by Goldberg, 14th edition. And we are currently working on Calc Early Transcendentals. I wish we had Stewart's Calc 2nd done in MathML, that one is a classic. But we only have pieces of that one, and not very many pieces at that. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Priest, Ione Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 9:28 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] Brailled Calculus Textbook Good morning all, This may be a long shot, but we have a blind student who is planning on taking Calculus 1 over the summer, and has expressed a preference for having the textbook in Braille, or at the very least the images in tactile. We have reached out to the department chair to get information for production purposes, but I'm wondering if anyone knows of a specific calc. textbook/images that have already been converted that we might be able to suggest as an option for the course to have the fastest turnaround time possible. Any info you have is greatly appreciated! Thanks, Ione Priest, CPACC Pronouns: she, her, hers Accessibility Technology Manager Access Center Plaza 122 Metropolitan State University of Denver ipriest@msudenver.edu<mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu> Phone: 303-615-0200 Fax: 720-778-5662 [Metropolitan State University of Denver] This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Ione Priest, CPACC Pronouns: she, her, hers Accessibility Technology Manager Access Center Plaza 122 Metropolitan State University of Denver ipriest@msudenver.edu Phone: 303-615-0200 Fax: 720-778-5662 [Metropolitan State University of Denver] This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190227/b3b4d2e1/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ione Priest, CPACC Pronouns: she, her, hers Accessibility Technology Manager Access Center Plaza 122 Metropolitan State University of Denver ipriest@msudenver.edu Phone: 303-615-0200 Fax: 720-778-5662 [Metropolitan State University of Denver] This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 9:33 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Brailled Calculus Textbook We have been working on a number of calc books for other universities. There are probably a million out there. We have at least two pre-calc books in MathML that could easily be turned to Braille, and parts of several Calc books that are also in MathML. When you figure out what the book is, we can compare it to our list and see if we have it. The most recent one we did a ton of was University Calculus by Goldberg, 14th edition. And we are currently working on Calc Early Transcendentals. I wish we had Stewart's Calc 2nd done in MathML, that one is a classic. But we only have pieces of that one, and not very many pieces at that. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Priest, Ione Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 9:28 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu>> Subject: [Athen] Brailled Calculus Textbook Good morning all, This may be a long shot, but we have a blind student who is planning on taking Calculus 1 over the summer, and has expressed a preference for having the textbook in Braille, or at the very least the images in tactile. We have reached out to the department chair to get information for production purposes, but I'm wondering if anyone knows of a specific calc. textbook/images that have already been converted that we might be able to suggest as an option for the course to have the fastest turnaround time possible. Any info you have is greatly appreciated! Thanks, Ione Priest, CPACC Pronouns: she, her, hers Accessibility Technology Manager Access Center Plaza 122 Metropolitan State University of Denver ipriest@msudenver.edu<mailto:ipriest@msudenver.edu> Phone: 303-615-0200 Fax: 720-778-5662 [Metropolitan State University of Denver] This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190227/d053e6d1/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I asked why he didn't like to use a digital recorder and he stated listening to it was like listening to the class twice and the recorder, he stated, would help go to the parts in the lecture he wanted to listen to faster. I am having a hard time with the concept of a student who is blind and the benefits for using a Live Scribe pen. Has anyone else faced this issue? Is there any other technology that would, in essence, function similarly to the Live Scribe that would be helpful for the student? As always, I appreciate the feedback I get from this list. Have a nice week. Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Adjunct Professor College of Health, Education & Professional Studies [Power C] The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 103 Frist Hall 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc<http://www.utc.edu/dean-students> A member of the Division of Student Affairs<https://www.utc.edu/student-affairs/index.php> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190227/46128f22/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190227/66b9e901/attachment.html> From foreigntype at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 13:35:01 2019 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Wed Feb 27 13:35:47 2019 Subject: [Athen] Note taking assistance for a student who is blind In-Reply-To: <BL0PR10MB2898085FD39A4ABD7B6168E39A740@BL0PR10MB2898.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> References: <BL0PR10MB2898085FD39A4ABD7B6168E39A740@BL0PR10MB2898.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <CALiy=ssJaX+Tqa5NynW-onxK9qPZvHOnGASdndvqWh6fmSs_=Q@mail.gmail.com> Bryon, Wouldn't Sonocent make more sense? He can tap where he wants to make an audio marker so the recording will skip back to that part. He can take braille notes on his own, or type notes on his laptop for the written portion. It would be a two-part review in either case, but IMHO, Sonocent for keeping track of audio markers + his own set of written notes make more sense to me. I wonder if there is something more seamless on the Mac system? Wink Harner Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 1:25 PM Kluesner, Bryon <Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I was speaking to a student who was blind about a Live Scribe workshop I > was preparing for. He stated he would like to use one. I tried to explain > the visual component of it and asked if a student used one in class to take > notes for him, how would he know where on the page to tap for the pen to > initiate the audio? I asked why he didn?t like to use a digital recorder > and he stated listening to it was like listening to the class twice and the > recorder, he stated, would help go to the parts in the lecture he wanted to > listen to faster. I am having a hard time with the concept of a student who > is blind and the benefits for using a Live Scribe pen. > > > > Has anyone else faced this issue? Is there any other technology that > would, in essence, function similarly to the Live Scribe that would be > helpful for the student? > > > > As always, I appreciate the feedback I get from this list. > > > > > Have a nice week. > > > > Bryon > > > > *Bryon Kluesner, RhD* > > *Adaptive Technology Coordinator* > > *Disability Resource Center* > > *Adjunct Professor* > > *College of Health, Education & Professional Studies* > > [image: Power C] > > *The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga* > 103 Frist Hall > 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 > > Chattanooga, TN 37403 > > > > (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc <http://www.utc.edu/dean-students> > > > *A member of the Division of Student Affairs > <https://www.utc.edu/student-affairs/index.php>* > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I?m sure with a stylus you could make the pages more tactile and easier to make marks. Sonocent lets you record audio and make bookmarks, but I?m not aware of a regular digital recorder where you could do this... Thanks, Debbie K. On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 4:30 PM Kluesner, Bryon <Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I was speaking to a student who was blind about a Live Scribe workshop I > was preparing for. He stated he would like to use one. I tried to explain > the visual component of it and asked if a student used one in class to take > notes for him, how would he know where on the page to tap for the pen to > initiate the audio? I asked why he didn?t like to use a digital recorder > and he stated listening to it was like listening to the class twice and the > recorder, he stated, would help go to the parts in the lecture he wanted to > listen to faster. I am having a hard time with the concept of a student who > is blind and the benefits for using a Live Scribe pen. > > > > Has anyone else faced this issue? Is there any other technology that > would, in essence, function similarly to the Live Scribe that would be > helpful for the student? > > > > As always, I appreciate the feedback I get from this list. > > > > > Have a nice week. > > > > Bryon > > > > *Bryon Kluesner, RhD* > > *Adaptive Technology Coordinator* > > *Disability Resource Center* > > *Adjunct Professor* > > *College of Health, Education & Professional Studies* > > <https://maps.google.com/?q=615+McCallie+Avenue,+Dept.+2953+%0D%0A+Chattanooga,+TN+37403&entry=gmail&source=g> > > [image: Power C] > > *The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga* > 103 Frist Hall > 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=615+McCallie+Avenue,+Dept.+2953+%0D%0A+Chattanooga,+TN+37403&entry=gmail&source=g> > > Chattanooga, TN 37403 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=615+McCallie+Avenue,+Dept.+2953+%0D%0A+Chattanooga,+TN+37403&entry=gmail&source=g> > > > > (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc <http://www.utc.edu/dean-students> > > > *A member of the Division of Student Affairs > <https://www.utc.edu/student-affairs/index.php>* > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- ______________ Debbie Krahmer Preferred Pronouns: My name/no pronouns Associate Professor in the Libraries Accessible Technology & Government Documents Librarian 304 Case-Geyer Colgate University 315-228-6592 dkrahmer@colgate.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 7797 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190227/e34e77be/attachment.png> From foreigntype at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 13:57:07 2019 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Wed Feb 27 13:58:33 2019 Subject: [Athen] Note taking assistance for a student who is blind In-Reply-To: <CADG8U-rdZs+Zmch4EumFxhw6nDvnvnkLqsK8qByeONpwqDZpXw@mail.gmail.com> References: <BL0PR10MB2898085FD39A4ABD7B6168E39A740@BL0PR10MB2898.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> <CADG8U-rdZs+Zmch4EumFxhw6nDvnvnkLqsK8qByeONpwqDZpXw@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <CALiy=stQ=atiXOB2nZtLRdPk7ah9qKAYpDGMuXfdHa9s2zUiVw@mail.gmail.com> Back in "the day," even partially sophisticated recorders kept "foot markers" and we could use it to cue up music, movies or speeches to a specific "foot" on the tape. Of course, hardly anyone records with physical "tape" anymore and the flip to digital is complete. There are a number of relatively good to very sophisticated digital recorders available which DO offer "index marking" --the new catch term for foot marking. How accessible these portable recorders are for the BVI user is unknown to me. But there is one which might be just the ticket in a situation like this:Apple iPad Pro 9.7" 32 GB Wi-Fi Silver Tablet There are any number of accessibility features built into the iPad Pro series, and the app itself recommended is AudioMemos, "a top-rated choice based on its superb features including the ability to pause, restart and combine recordings, attach pictures to recordings, set markers, and transfer files to the cloud?or send as email attachments" according to their PR blurb. Check it out as a possibility for this student. Wink Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 1:40 PM Debbie Krahmer <dkrahmer@colgate.edu> wrote: > I?ve experienced this with low vision, where I suggested the student to > just make a big scribble mark when something important was said or to > ?bookmark? different parts of the lecture they wanted to go back to. It > doesn?t require being able to read your handwriting at all, just stab a > scribble with a pen. I?m sure with a stylus you could make the pages more > tactile and easier to make marks. > > Sonocent lets you record audio and make bookmarks, but I?m not aware of a > regular digital recorder where you could do this... > > Thanks, > Debbie K. > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 4:30 PM Kluesner, Bryon <Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I was speaking to a student who was blind about a Live Scribe workshop I >> was preparing for. He stated he would like to use one. I tried to explain >> the visual component of it and asked if a student used one in class to take >> notes for him, how would he know where on the page to tap for the pen to >> initiate the audio? I asked why he didn?t like to use a digital recorder >> and he stated listening to it was like listening to the class twice and the >> recorder, he stated, would help go to the parts in the lecture he wanted to >> listen to faster. I am having a hard time with the concept of a student who >> is blind and the benefits for using a Live Scribe pen. >> >> >> >> Has anyone else faced this issue? Is there any other technology that >> would, in essence, function similarly to the Live Scribe that would be >> helpful for the student? >> >> >> >> As always, I appreciate the feedback I get from this list. >> >> >> >> >> Have a nice week. >> >> >> >> Bryon >> >> >> >> *Bryon Kluesner, RhD* >> >> *Adaptive Technology Coordinator* >> >> *Disability Resource Center* >> >> *Adjunct Professor* >> >> *College of Health, Education & Professional Studies* >> >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=615+McCallie+Avenue,+Dept.+2953+%0D%0A+Chattanooga,+TN+37403&entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> [image: Power C] >> >> *The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga* >> 103 Frist Hall >> 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=615+McCallie+Avenue,+Dept.+2953+%0D%0A+Chattanooga,+TN+37403&entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> Chattanooga, TN 37403 >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=615+McCallie+Avenue,+Dept.+2953+%0D%0A+Chattanooga,+TN+37403&entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> >> >> (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc <http://www.utc.edu/dean-students> >> >> >> *A member of the Division of Student Affairs >> <https://www.utc.edu/student-affairs/index.php>* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > -- > ______________ > Debbie Krahmer > Preferred Pronouns: My name/no pronouns > Associate Professor in the Libraries > Accessible Technology & Government Documents Librarian > 304 Case-Geyer > Colgate University > 315-228-6592 > dkrahmer@colgate.edu > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 7797 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190227/f8078e10/attachment.png> From ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net Wed Feb 27 16:22:32 2019 From: ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net (Shelley Haven) Date: Wed Feb 27 16:22:59 2019 Subject: [Athen] Note taking assistance for a student who is blind In-Reply-To: <BL0PR10MB2898085FD39A4ABD7B6168E39A740@BL0PR10MB2898.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> References: <BL0PR10MB2898085FD39A4ABD7B6168E39A740@BL0PR10MB2898.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <53E115F4-EDB6-4646-942F-4055E384F609@techpotential.net> My first inclination is to use the audio recording feature included with MS OneNote (Mac or Windows versions only) and type notes using a well-thought-out structured outline format (topics, subtopics, etc.). When audio recording, each time the student hits the return key, a timecode marker is placed in the audio file, thus linking audio and typed notes similar to what Livescribe pens do with recorded audio and handwritten notes. So that addresses taking notes ? what about reviewing them later? The student can use their TTS screen reader to navigate their typed notes, then have OneNote ?Play Audio From Here? when they reach the desired note (Cmd-Opt-P on Mac; Ctrl-Alt-P on Windows). To find the desired place in their notes, they can either scroll through and listen to their structured notes line by line, or do a search for specific text. Whether students use a Livescribe smartpen, OneNote, Notability, or something else that links notes & audio, I often have them first think about the kinds of things they will likely want to listen to later and come up with keywords or symbols to easily mark those places. We typically make a list that the student can refer to later. Some examples: Teacher says "This will be on the test" ("T" in a circle or ?=T? typed) Assignment or action item ("A" in a circle or ?=A? typed) Something you don't understand and want to hear again (question mark in a circle or ?=?? typed, and leave space to add notes later) Title of projected title or slide number (keep running list of slide titles or numbers in margin as an ?index?, or typing ?=S? followed by the slide number) ?etc., etc. Those symbols are essentially ?audio bookmarks?, allowing the student to target playback of very specific places in the recording ? e.g., search for all ?=A? ? and fill in additional notes after the fact. I strongly believe that notetaking technologies are far more effective when coupled with appropriate notetaking strategies. For quick reference, here?s a list of basics commands for using a screen reader with OneNote: https://support.office.com/en-us/article/basic-tasks-using-a-screen-reader-with-onenote-32cd532b-d5d4-442b-bc13-1d0ad2016377 <https://support.office.com/en-us/article/basic-tasks-using-a-screen-reader-with-onenote-32cd532b-d5d4-442b-bc13-1d0ad2016377> Best, Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant www.TechPotential.net > On Feb 27, 2019, at 2:24 PM, Kluesner, Bryon <Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I was speaking to a student who was blind about a Live Scribe workshop I was preparing for. He stated he would like to use one. I tried to explain the visual component of it and asked if a student used one in class to take notes for him, how would he know where on the page to tap for the pen to initiate the audio? I asked why he didn?t like to use a digital recorder and he stated listening to it was like listening to the class twice and the recorder, he stated, would help go to the parts in the lecture he wanted to listen to faster. I am having a hard time with the concept of a student who is blind and the benefits for using a Live Scribe pen. > > Has anyone else faced this issue? Is there any other technology that would, in essence, function similarly to the Live Scribe that would be helpful for the student? > > As always, I appreciate the feedback I get from this list. > > Have a nice week. > > Bryon > > Bryon Kluesner, RhD > Adaptive Technology Coordinator > Disability Resource Center > Adjunct Professor > College of Health, Education & Professional Studies > <image001.png> > The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga > 103 Frist Hall > 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 > Chattanooga, TN 37403 > > (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc <http://www.utc.edu/dean-students> > > A member of the Division of Student Affairs <https://www.utc.edu/student-affairs/index.php> > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190227/ddbe465f/attachment.html> From adwershing at pstcc.edu Wed Feb 27 22:32:47 2019 From: adwershing at pstcc.edu (Wershing, Alice D.) Date: Wed Feb 27 22:32:57 2019 Subject: [Athen] Note taking assistance for a student who is blind In-Reply-To: <CALiy=ssJaX+Tqa5NynW-onxK9qPZvHOnGASdndvqWh6fmSs_=Q@mail.gmail.com> References: <BL0PR10MB2898085FD39A4ABD7B6168E39A740@BL0PR10MB2898.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>, <CALiy=ssJaX+Tqa5NynW-onxK9qPZvHOnGASdndvqWh6fmSs_=Q@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <BL0PR01MB4435AA8808AAC14EC7E7F528C9750@BL0PR01MB4435.prod.exchangelabs.com> Sonocent is not fully screen reader accessible but I don?t know about using it with a Braille display There is a similar device to Livescribe with audio prompts. It?s called Pen friend I think. Look at maxi aids Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.C.C. Disability Services, Technology Specialist TNecampus Accessibility Specialist Pellissippi State Technical Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7218 (fax) ________________________________ From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> on behalf of Wink Harner <foreigntype@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:35:01 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Note taking assistance for a student who is blind Bryon, Wouldn't Sonocent make more sense? He can tap where he wants to make an audio marker so the recording will skip back to that part. He can take braille notes on his own, or type notes on his laptop for the written portion. It would be a two-part review in either case, but IMHO, Sonocent for keeping track of audio markers + his own set of written notes make more sense to me. I wonder if there is something more seamless on the Mac system? Wink Harner Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com<mailto:foreigntype@gmail.com> 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 1:25 PM Kluesner, Bryon <Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu<mailto:Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu>> wrote: Hi all, I was speaking to a student who was blind about a Live Scribe workshop I was preparing for. He stated he would like to use one. I tried to explain the visual component of it and asked if a student used one in class to take notes for him, how would he know where on the page to tap for the pen to initiate the audio? I asked why he didn?t like to use a digital recorder and he stated listening to it was like listening to the class twice and the recorder, he stated, would help go to the parts in the lecture he wanted to listen to faster. I am having a hard time with the concept of a student who is blind and the benefits for using a Live Scribe pen. Has anyone else faced this issue? Is there any other technology that would, in essence, function similarly to the Live Scribe that would be helpful for the student? As always, I appreciate the feedback I get from this list. Have a nice week. Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Adjunct Professor College of Health, Education & Professional Studies [Power C] The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 103 Frist Hall 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc<http://www.utc.edu/dean-students> A member of the Division of Student Affairs<https://www.utc.edu/student-affairs/index.php> _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190228/e0b822b4/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 7797 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: <http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190228/e0b822b4/attachment.png> From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Thu Feb 28 05:44:19 2019 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Thu Feb 28 05:44:49 2019 Subject: [Athen] Note taking assistance for a student who is blind In-Reply-To: <BL0PR10MB2898085FD39A4ABD7B6168E39A740@BL0PR10MB2898.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> References: <BL0PR10MB2898085FD39A4ABD7B6168E39A740@BL0PR10MB2898.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <SN6PR11MB32949DC1988865D4379F856BDC750@SN6PR11MB3294.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> There are a couple of apps I show to students who only want to record parts of a lecture they consider important. HEARD and Cogi work really well for this. If the instructor starts saying something that seems important (they do that once in a while), the student taps the save button on their device and it saves the last 30 seconds, 1 minute, or whatever they have it set to. Then, they go back on play those little snips of the lecture instead of having to listen to the entire lecture again. Because it buffers the last bit of recording (depending on what you set the time to), you don't miss the first on the information before you press the save button. Just a thought. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 3:25 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' <athen-list@u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] Note taking assistance for a student who is blind Hi all, I was speaking to a student who was blind about a Live Scribe workshop I was preparing for. He stated he would like to use one. I tried to explain the visual component of it and asked if a student used one in class to take notes for him, how would he know where on the page to tap for the pen to initiate the audio? I asked why he didn't like to use a digital recorder and he stated listening to it was like listening to the class twice and the recorder, he stated, would help go to the parts in the lecture he wanted to listen to faster. I am having a hard time with the concept of a student who is blind and the benefits for using a Live Scribe pen. Has anyone else faced this issue? Is there any other technology that would, in essence, function similarly to the Live Scribe that would be helpful for the student? As always, I appreciate the feedback I get from this list. Have a nice week. 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