[Athen] Editing Books
Robert Spangler
rspangler1 at udayton.edu
Thu Feb 7 07:37:13 PST 2019
This is what we are doing because it gives us the opportunity to enter a
range of page numbers when breaking a book into chapters. For books that
have bookmarks, we do extract those sections. Is it possible to use ABBYY
and extract a range of pages from a PDF other than via printing?
On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:09 PM <chagnon at pubcom.com> wrote:
> Robert wrote:
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> /quote … Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into
> chapters by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through
> ABBYY for OCR. /endquote
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> I can’t think of any situation that requires printing to a PDF rather than
> exporting to or saving as a PDF.
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> Print-to-PDF utilities are never the best way to make a PDF from any
> software because that method usually doesn’t contain either live text, a
> logical reading order, or tags or anything else needed for digital
> documents. It’s called “print” for a reason: it uses only the data needed
> for a printer, not a digital reading device.
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> If your software doesn’t give you the option to either save as or export
> to PDF, then you’re using the wrong software and need to find a more
> appropriate and functional program.
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> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *Keith Kolander
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:37 AM
> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Editing Books
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> There are advantages to both methods:
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> If the pdf has bookmarks to easily go to chapters or sections, that’s a
> good thing. Plus, you can easily go to an exact page number corresponding
> to the book. (Shift+Ctrl+N brings up a go to page number window also.)
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> But, size can be a consideration also.
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> Most of the time I split the pdf into chapters, and add the page numbers
> to the file name.
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> Keith Kolander
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> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *Bourbeau, Maureen
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> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler
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> Thanks. Also do you guys automatically break every book or just when
> students ask? I am finding that many of my students prefer just having the
> one file to manage.
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> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:35 AM Bourbeau, Maureen <
> Maureen.Bourbeau at unh.edu> wrote:
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> Robert,
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> If you have Acrobat Pro, you can just use the “extract pages” function to
> break the single book file into chapter files. We do that quite a bit now
> as more books are being provided as a single PDF with 800+ pages and
> sometimes the large file size causes trouble for some students to access on
> their laptops, etc.
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> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler
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> Hello, the single full book file is text-based but usually when breaking
> it down into chapters, we do this by going to print -> Microsoft Print to
> PDF, the newly created chapter files need to have OCR applied. This is not
> always the case - I broke out a chapter earlier via this method and OCR had
> already been applied. I am blind myself and using a screen reader, so I am
> able to tell right away if it's readable or not.
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> Thanks for the advice; I will look into getting a quote for upgrading
> ABBYY in that case.
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> Robert
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> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:38 AM Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu>
> wrote:
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> Are you saying that you are running OCR on scanned PDF files? Because
> with most of the files coming from publishers these days, running OCR is
> not necessary, as they are already text-based (and usually pretty well
> tagged).
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> We are an Omnipage shop here, but even with Abbyy, if you are going this
> route, you need to keep up with the latest versions, which work better and
> faster than the old ones.
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> *Susan Kelmer*
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> *Alternate Format Production Program Manager*
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> *Disability Services*
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> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:16 AM
> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> *Subject:* [Athen] Editing Books
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>
> Hello, currently our student workers are using Adobe Acrobat Reader for
> splitting books into chapters and ABBYY for making any necessary edits.
> Most of the time we're just using Acrobat to split the book into chapters
> by printing each chapter to a separate PDF then running it through ABBYY
> for OCR.
>
>
>
> We have an old version of ABBYY, version 11. Would there be any benefits
> to upgrading to the latest version? Obviously it's newer, but are there
> any compelling reasons? Also, is there any reason to use ABBYY instead of
> Adobe Acrobat Pro, which some people in my office are asking for?
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> Thanks for your feedback.
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> Robert
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University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
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