From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Fri Mar 1 09:51:21 2019 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Fri Mar 1 09:53:34 2019 Subject: [Athen] Note taking assistance for a student who is blind In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE63C3E@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> The Pen Friend is I believe for scanning bar codes and QR codes. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 10:33 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Note taking assistance for a student who is blind Sonocent is not fully screen reader accessible but I don't know about using it with a Braille display There is a similar device to Livescribe with audio prompts. It's called Pen friend I think. Look at maxi aids Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.C.C. Disability Services, Technology Specialist TNecampus Accessibility Specialist Pellissippi State Technical Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7218 (fax) ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Wink Harner > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:35:01 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Note taking assistance for a student who is blind Bryon, Wouldn't Sonocent make more sense? He can tap where he wants to make an audio marker so the recording will skip back to that part. He can take braille notes on his own, or type notes on his laptop for the written portion. It would be a two-part review in either case, but IMHO, Sonocent for keeping track of audio markers + his own set of written notes make more sense to me. I wonder if there is something more seamless on the Mac system? Wink Harner Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 1:25 PM Kluesner, Bryon > wrote: Hi all, I was speaking to a student who was blind about a Live Scribe workshop I was preparing for. He stated he would like to use one. I tried to explain the visual component of it and asked if a student used one in class to take notes for him, how would he know where on the page to tap for the pen to initiate the audio? I asked why he didn't like to use a digital recorder and he stated listening to it was like listening to the class twice and the recorder, he stated, would help go to the parts in the lecture he wanted to listen to faster. I am having a hard time with the concept of a student who is blind and the benefits for using a Live Scribe pen. Has anyone else faced this issue? Is there any other technology that would, in essence, function similarly to the Live Scribe that would be helpful for the student? As always, I appreciate the feedback I get from this list. Have a nice week. Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Adjunct Professor College of Health, Education & Professional Studies [Power C] The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 103 Frist Hall 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc A member of the Division of Student Affairs _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 7797 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Fri Mar 1 10:04:31 2019 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Fri Mar 1 10:07:37 2019 Subject: [Athen] Note taking assistance for a student who is blind In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE63CB3@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> Sonocent is not screen reader friendly in my experience. And the Sonocent recording app on the iDEVICES shuts off voiceover; no idea if that happens as well on Android with Talkback. One interesting idea is a StenoMask, what court reporters use when dictating in the courtroom. Instead of recording his lecture, the student would dictate through the soundproof mask to his recorder ? it has a mic built in. this way he?s automatically increasing his ability to remember by rephrasing what the instructor says. Of course any word processor from Pages on the Mac to the notepad in a Braille notetaker will work as well, but I?m sure the student likes the idea of just marking where in a recording something important was said. As a student, I?ve tried this and I always retain more when I myself rephrase what the instructor said, whether I?m speaking or typing that rephrase. The Heard and epiphany apps, which on iDEVICES record constantly but save the last few minutes when you tap save work great, but are only 32-bit so the modern iOS doesn?t support them. I?m going to check out the other app Robert mentioned. A print-impaired student should always get a copy of the instructor?s slides, even if the instructor doesn?t normally hand them out. In my job I frequently advocate for this, often reassuring instructors that the slides will only be given to the relevant student. A print-impaired student should never get stuck trying to write down data that?s already in an electronic form. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 1:35 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Note taking assistance for a student who is blind Bryon, Wouldn't Sonocent make more sense? He can tap where he wants to make an audio marker so the recording will skip back to that part. He can take braille notes on his own, or type notes on his laptop for the written portion. It would be a two-part review in either case, but IMHO, Sonocent for keeping track of audio markers + his own set of written notes make more sense to me. I wonder if there is something more seamless on the Mac system? Wink Harner Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 1:25 PM Kluesner, Bryon > wrote: Hi all, I was speaking to a student who was blind about a Live Scribe workshop I was preparing for. He stated he would like to use one. I tried to explain the visual component of it and asked if a student used one in class to take notes for him, how would he know where on the page to tap for the pen to initiate the audio? I asked why he didn?t like to use a digital recorder and he stated listening to it was like listening to the class twice and the recorder, he stated, would help go to the parts in the lecture he wanted to listen to faster. I am having a hard time with the concept of a student who is blind and the benefits for using a Live Scribe pen. Has anyone else faced this issue? Is there any other technology that would, in essence, function similarly to the Live Scribe that would be helpful for the student? As always, I appreciate the feedback I get from this list. Have a nice week. Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Adjunct Professor College of Health, Education & Professional Studies [Power C] The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 103 Frist Hall 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc A member of the Division of Student Affairs _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It uses standard Word Processor keystrokes for moving through the audio; it has low-vision features for working with the wav files directly and it makes it super easy to cut and paste audio. https://shop.aph.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_Studio%20Recorder%20Software_1100513P_10001_10001 The cheapest option is the free Audacity https://www.audacityteam.org/ which now does work with screen readers but there's a learning curve; see https://coolblindtech.com/audacity-windows-part-1-introduction-interface-navigation/ and https://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/Audacity_for_blind_users GoldWave is also much easier to use and screen reader friendly: https://www.goldwave.com/ and https://techtalk.groups.io/g/main/topic/audacity_vs_goldwave/4542035?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,%23cal-notice,20,0,100,4542035 There are also several accessible Mac options and for the iDEVICES a couple as well. Searching http://www.applevis.com is your best bet for tracking those down with user comments. I think any audio learner needs to master an audio editor and of course many are better suited for a sighted mouse user. The act of getting in there and editing the audio solidifies the material in your brain much better than just listening to it passively! That is of course why Sonocent works so well. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 1:25 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' Subject: [Athen] Note taking assistance for a student who is blind Hi all, I was speaking to a student who was blind about a Live Scribe workshop I was preparing for. He stated he would like to use one. I tried to explain the visual component of it and asked if a student used one in class to take notes for him, how would he know where on the page to tap for the pen to initiate the audio? I asked why he didn't like to use a digital recorder and he stated listening to it was like listening to the class twice and the recorder, he stated, would help go to the parts in the lecture he wanted to listen to faster. I am having a hard time with the concept of a student who is blind and the benefits for using a Live Scribe pen. Has anyone else faced this issue? Is there any other technology that would, in essence, function similarly to the Live Scribe that would be helpful for the student? As always, I appreciate the feedback I get from this list. Have a nice week. Bryon Bryon Kluesner, RhD Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center Adjunct Professor College of Health, Education & Professional Studies [Power C] The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 103 Frist Hall 615 McCallie Avenue, Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 (423) 425-4006 | utc.edu/drc A member of the Division of Student Affairs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 7797 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From dkhaff at alaska.edu Fri Mar 1 10:31:48 2019 From: dkhaff at alaska.edu (Dana Haff) Date: Fri Mar 1 10:32:40 2019 Subject: [Athen] Video to explain accommodation vs. accessible content Message-ID: Hello-- I'm creating training for faculty and would like to find a short video or other resource that will help them understand the difference between an accommodation and accessible content. I found a video from Walters State Community College that is a contender, but the sound quality isn't great. Does anyone know of something that gets the point across in an interesting and engaging way? Thank you for your help, Dana -- Dana Haff, MLS, MS, MAT l Instructional Design Accessibility Specialist l UAA Academic Innovations and eLearning 3211 Providence Drive, LIB 215 Anchorage, AK 99508 907.786.4451 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sherylb at uw.edu Fri Mar 1 10:54:19 2019 From: sherylb at uw.edu (Sheryl E. Burgstahler) Date: Fri Mar 1 10:54:58 2019 Subject: [Athen] Video to explain accommodation vs. accessible content In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another one of this topic is Building the Team: Faculty, Staff, and Students Working Together https://www.washington.edu/doit/videos/index.php?vid=3&s=Building+the+team There are others that might be relevant to you in the DO-IT video collection at https://www.washington.edu/doit/do-it-videos All of these videos are available captioned, audiodescribed and viewable with a fully accessible media player, AblePlayer. Sheryl > On Mar 1, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Dana Haff wrote: > > Hello-- > > I'm creating training for faculty and would like to find a short video or other resource that will help them understand the difference between an accommodation and accessible content. > > I found a video from Walters State Community College that is a contender, but the sound quality isn't great. Does anyone know of something that gets the point across in an interesting and engaging way? > > Thank you for your help, > > Dana > > -- > > Dana Haff, MLS, MS, MAT l Instructional Design Accessibility Specialist l UAA Academic Innovations and eLearning > 3211 Providence Drive, LIB 215 > Anchorage, AK 99508 > 907.786.4451 > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Fri Mar 1 11:00:21 2019 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Fri Mar 1 11:00:40 2019 Subject: [Athen] Note taking assistance for a student who is blind In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE63C3E@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> References: , <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02DDE63C3E@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: You are correct. I have one. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 11:51 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Note taking assistance for a student who is blind The Pen Friend is I believe for scanning bar codes and QR codes. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 10:33 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Note taking assistance for a student who is blind Sonocent is not fully screen reader accessible but I don't know about using it with a Braille display There is a similar device to Livescribe with audio prompts. It's called Pen friend I think. Look at maxi aids Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.C.C. Disability Services, Technology Specialist TNecampus Accessibility Specialist Pellissippi State Technical Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7218 (fax) ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Wink Harner > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:35:01 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Note taking assistance for a student who is blind Bryon, Wouldn't Sonocent make more sense? He can tap where he wants to make an audio marker so the recording will skip back to that part. He can take braille notes on his own, or type notes on his laptop for the written portion. It would be a two-part review in either case, but IMHO, Sonocent for keeping track of audio markers + his own set of written notes make more sense to me. I wonder if there is something more seamless on the Mac system? Wink Harner Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 1:25 PM Kluesner, Bryon > wrote: Hi all, I was speaking to a student who was blind about a Live Scribe workshop I was preparing for. He stated he would like to use one. I tried to explain the visual component of it and asked if a student used one in class to take notes for him, how would he know where on the page to tap for the pen to initiate the audio? I asked why he didn't like to use a digital recorder and he stated listening to it was like listening to the class twice and the recorder, he stated, would help go to the parts in the lecture he wanted to listen to faster. I am having a hard time with the concept of a student who is blind and the benefits for using a Live Scribe pen. Has anyone else faced this issue? 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URL: From kerscher at montana.com Sat Mar 2 09:51:51 2019 From: kerscher at montana.com (George Kerscher) Date: Sat Mar 2 09:51:58 2019 Subject: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? In-Reply-To: <000e01d4d0f8$165f2cf0$431d86d0$@karlencommunications.com> References: <000e01d4d0f8$165f2cf0$431d86d0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <006401d4d120$9e084dd0$da18e970$@montana.com> Hi, It depends on the operating system and which Assistive Technology one is using. On Windows, I like Edge, which is the default reader for epub on that OS. There are some accessibility issues with screen readers, but the features for persons with learning differences is terrific. You can also "side load" a title in to VitalSource, Stay away from Digital Editions, which is horrible. On IOS, Apple Books, was iBooks works well, and there are many more. A list of suggestions is at the link below. We will be updating this soon. The review is based on evaluations we conduct at epubtest.org https://inclusivepublishing.org/blog/june-2018-epub-reading-apps-accessibili ty-support/ Also, feel free to email me directly at kerscher@montana.com Best George From: athen-list On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 6:02 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? Hi: It's been a long time since I taught how to create Daisy books and knew what readers were accessible. I'm taking a look at EPUB and I've created a book from one of my tutorials. I now want to read it, but didn't want to use the Calibre viewer/the app I used to create the book as I want to see how it reads in another viewer. Any suggestions on a free but good EPUB reader that is accessible? What are students and faculty using? Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Sat Mar 2 11:15:21 2019 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Sat Mar 2 11:15:49 2019 Subject: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? In-Reply-To: <006401d4d120$9e084dd0$da18e970$@montana.com> References: <000e01d4d0f8$165f2cf0$431d86d0$@karlencommunications.com> <006401d4d120$9e084dd0$da18e970$@montana.com> Message-ID: <002901d4d12c$482ad5c0$d8808140$@karlencommunications.com> Thank you. I created my first EPUB book in Calibre but can't seem to read it using my screen reader/JAWS current version in the Calibre viewer. I'm using Windows 10 but appreciate the Mac/iOS info as I have both. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of George Kerscher Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 12:52 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? Hi, It depends on the operating system and which Assistive Technology one is using. On Windows, I like Edge, which is the default reader for epub on that OS. There are some accessibility issues with screen readers, but the features for persons with learning differences is terrific. You can also "side load" a title in to VitalSource, Stay away from Digital Editions, which is horrible. On IOS, Apple Books, was iBooks works well, and there are many more. A list of suggestions is at the link below. We will be updating this soon. The review is based on evaluations we conduct at epubtest.org https://inclusivepublishing.org/blog/june-2018-epub-reading-apps-accessibili ty-support/ Also, feel free to email me directly at kerscher@montana.com Best George From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 6:02 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? Hi: It's been a long time since I taught how to create Daisy books and knew what readers were accessible. I'm taking a look at EPUB and I've created a book from one of my tutorials. I now want to read it, but didn't want to use the Calibre viewer/the app I used to create the book as I want to see how it reads in another viewer. Any suggestions on a free but good EPUB reader that is accessible? What are students and faculty using? Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Mon Mar 4 06:43:05 2019 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Mon Mar 4 06:43:34 2019 Subject: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? In-Reply-To: <000e01d4d0f8$165f2cf0$431d86d0$@karlencommunications.com> References: <000e01d4d0f8$165f2cf0$431d86d0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Hahahah! I'm happy to get a laugh this morning after a ridiculous commute in snowy conditions. Of course, there are a lot of "accessible" readers out there, but very few, if any, that work with a student's existing TTS or screenreading technology. At best, you can franken-science something together, like using Windows Edge to open the ePub, then use Windows Narrator to listen to the file. I know that way works pretty well. Read and Write will open an ePub and read it, and includes navigation as it shows the chapters broken down on the side, so it isn't too bad. Kurzweil is a no-win because it just opens the whole file with no really useful navigation. If you're trying to use a screen reader to read the ePub, I think, again, you can open it in Edge for Windows, and I think other browsers. But how the ePub was made is going to be the best determiner of if it can be used with any form of AT. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 6:02 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? Hi: It's been a long time since I taught how to create Daisy books and knew what readers were accessible. I'm taking a look at EPUB and I've created a book from one of my tutorials. I now want to read it, but didn't want to use the Calibre viewer/the app I used to create the book as I want to see how it reads in another viewer. Any suggestions on a free but good EPUB reader that is accessible? What are students and faculty using? Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu Mon Mar 4 07:02:47 2019 From: neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu (Sorensen, Neal B) Date: Mon Mar 4 07:03:14 2019 Subject: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? In-Reply-To: References: <000e01d4d0f8$165f2cf0$431d86d0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: For EPUB, I think your best bet is Microsoft Edge (provided you're on a PC). It has built-in EPUB support, a navigation and options toolbar, and Edge has a "Read Aloud" feature which has made me rethink it's viability as a browser. You don't have to bring your own TTS reader to Edge, it will do that itself. Alternatively, I think Google Drive has an EPUB reader feature, but it's BYOR (bring your own reader). Or on a Mac, iBooks will read an EPUB, that has a TTS reader built-in too, though I have not tested that personally. Smartphone readers are pretty good too. Support for EPUBs is catching up a bit, but slowly... Karen: I'm curious what your experiences were in creating an EPUB with Calibre? I have tried that, but found it pretty cumbersome and confusing with all the options and configuration that was possible. Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 8:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? Hahahah! I'm happy to get a laugh this morning after a ridiculous commute in snowy conditions. Of course, there are a lot of "accessible" readers out there, but very few, if any, that work with a student's existing TTS or screenreading technology. At best, you can franken-science something together, like using Windows Edge to open the ePub, then use Windows Narrator to listen to the file. I know that way works pretty well. Read and Write will open an ePub and read it, and includes navigation as it shows the chapters broken down on the side, so it isn't too bad. Kurzweil is a no-win because it just opens the whole file with no really useful navigation. If you're trying to use a screen reader to read the ePub, I think, again, you can open it in Edge for Windows, and I think other browsers. But how the ePub was made is going to be the best determiner of if it can be used with any form of AT. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 6:02 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? Hi: It's been a long time since I taught how to create Daisy books and knew what readers were accessible. I'm taking a look at EPUB and I've created a book from one of my tutorials. I now want to read it, but didn't want to use the Calibre viewer/the app I used to create the book as I want to see how it reads in another viewer. Any suggestions on a free but good EPUB reader that is accessible? What are students and faculty using? Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Sorensen, Neal B Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 9:03 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? For EPUB, I think your best bet is Microsoft Edge (provided you're on a PC). It has built-in EPUB support, a navigation and options toolbar, and Edge has a "Read Aloud" feature which has made me rethink it's viability as a browser. You don't have to bring your own TTS reader to Edge, it will do that itself. Alternatively, I think Google Drive has an EPUB reader feature, but it's BYOR (bring your own reader). Or on a Mac, iBooks will read an EPUB, that has a TTS reader built-in too, though I have not tested that personally. Smartphone readers are pretty good too. Support for EPUBs is catching up a bit, but slowly... Karen: I'm curious what your experiences were in creating an EPUB with Calibre? I have tried that, but found it pretty cumbersome and confusing with all the options and configuration that was possible. Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 8:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? Hahahah! I'm happy to get a laugh this morning after a ridiculous commute in snowy conditions. Of course, there are a lot of "accessible" readers out there, but very few, if any, that work with a student's existing TTS or screenreading technology. At best, you can franken-science something together, like using Windows Edge to open the ePub, then use Windows Narrator to listen to the file. I know that way works pretty well. Read and Write will open an ePub and read it, and includes navigation as it shows the chapters broken down on the side, so it isn't too bad. Kurzweil is a no-win because it just opens the whole file with no really useful navigation. If you're trying to use a screen reader to read the ePub, I think, again, you can open it in Edge for Windows, and I think other browsers. But how the ePub was made is going to be the best determiner of if it can be used with any form of AT. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 6:02 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? Hi: It's been a long time since I taught how to create Daisy books and knew what readers were accessible. I'm taking a look at EPUB and I've created a book from one of my tutorials. I now want to read it, but didn't want to use the Calibre viewer/the app I used to create the book as I want to see how it reads in another viewer. Any suggestions on a free but good EPUB reader that is accessible? What are students and faculty using? Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ave. 7-143 Cambridge MA 02139 kcahill@mit.edu (617) 253-5111 From: athen-list on behalf of Corrine Schoeb Reply-To: Access Network Date: Friday, March 1, 2019 at 3:31 PM To: Access Network Subject: [Athen] Live captioning & Zoom I'm looking for live captioning vendors and wonder if anyone has any recommendations. -- Corrine Schoeb Technology Accessibility Coordinator, ITS 610-957-6208 *** Swarthmore College ITS will never ask you for your password, including by email. Please keep your passwords private to protect yourself and the security of our network. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Mon Mar 4 07:38:12 2019 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Mon Mar 4 07:38:56 2019 Subject: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? In-Reply-To: References: <000e01d4d0f8$165f2cf0$431d86d0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <002d01d4d2a0$47646870$d62d3950$@karlencommunications.com> Susan: Glad I could give you a laugh! I figured EPUB is like PDF in that so much of accessibility depends on tagging/structure and the building of the EPUB. Yes, I've tried reding my own well-structured documents converted to EPUB using Calibre in Edge with JAWS and no luck. I have my Windows 10 updated and can't even find the immersive reading tools that are supposed to be in the Edge version for my Windows version although the Read Aloud option is available to me in Edge using my default Microsoft voice. That doesn't give me access to the navigation tools or the UI, just the content. Am going to continue my new adventures. The FoxIT people who have a PDF conversion tool that they say will produce Section 508 conforming PDF have something called MePub which is supposed to be an EPUB conversion tool. Given that I've already e-mailed them 3 times asking where the accessibility tools/Tags are in FoxIt without any response, am not holding out for MePub. And MePub is 39 USD. I found with Calibre that it is not respecting the font alignment of the document. It is insisting on full justification when my content is left justified. Although I can go into the CSS and change it, I am baffled as to why I should have to do this. Anyway, I have a two part problem.finding an inexpensive accessible EPUB conversion tool and an app to read EPUB's with my screen reader.and its only Monday! Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 9:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? Hahahah! I'm happy to get a laugh this morning after a ridiculous commute in snowy conditions. Of course, there are a lot of "accessible" readers out there, but very few, if any, that work with a student's existing TTS or screenreading technology. At best, you can franken-science something together, like using Windows Edge to open the ePub, then use Windows Narrator to listen to the file. I know that way works pretty well. Read and Write will open an ePub and read it, and includes navigation as it shows the chapters broken down on the side, so it isn't too bad. Kurzweil is a no-win because it just opens the whole file with no really useful navigation. If you're trying to use a screen reader to read the ePub, I think, again, you can open it in Edge for Windows, and I think other browsers. But how the ePub was made is going to be the best determiner of if it can be used with any form of AT. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 6:02 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? Hi: It's been a long time since I taught how to create Daisy books and knew what readers were accessible. I'm taking a look at EPUB and I've created a book from one of my tutorials. I now want to read it, but didn't want to use the Calibre viewer/the app I used to create the book as I want to see how it reads in another viewer. Any suggestions on a free but good EPUB reader that is accessible? What are students and faculty using? Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Mon Mar 4 07:44:06 2019 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Mon Mar 4 07:45:36 2019 Subject: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? In-Reply-To: References: <000e01d4d0f8$165f2cf0$431d86d0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <003c01d4d2a1$1a85f020$4f91d060$@karlencommunications.com> Neil: I purposely started with one of my own well-structured Word document tutorials because I wanted to compare the experience between all of my years in PDF with creating an "equally accessible" EPUB. First, I had to turn my screen reader off which left me with only screen magnification. I then just opened my Word doc and converted it. The challenge was then trying to read it with a screen reader not TTS. As I mentioned in my response to Susan, I have no idea why it fully justified my text when my text is all left aligned. I started looking at some of the settings/preferences and was overwhelmed. On the other hand, learning how to Tag PDF back in 2003-4 was equally overwhelming just trying to figure out which tool or setting did what. So with EPUB, I still have the training wheels on until I can solidly know what I'm looking for in the resulting EPUB files. Then, and I will give Susan another laugh for today, I'll move into some InDesign and more complex layouts. :) As with PDF, there is NO easy button! But I knew that going in. It is just finding a good tool that is accessible and understandable in how its tools are organized. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Sorensen, Neal B Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 10:03 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? For EPUB, I think your best bet is Microsoft Edge (provided you're on a PC). It has built-in EPUB support, a navigation and options toolbar, and Edge has a "Read Aloud" feature which has made me rethink it's viability as a browser. You don't have to bring your own TTS reader to Edge, it will do that itself. Alternatively, I think Google Drive has an EPUB reader feature, but it's BYOR (bring your own reader). Or on a Mac, iBooks will read an EPUB, that has a TTS reader built-in too, though I have not tested that personally. Smartphone readers are pretty good too. Support for EPUBs is catching up a bit, but slowly. Karen: I'm curious what your experiences were in creating an EPUB with Calibre? I have tried that, but found it pretty cumbersome and confusing with all the options and configuration that was possible. Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 8:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? Hahahah! I'm happy to get a laugh this morning after a ridiculous commute in snowy conditions. Of course, there are a lot of "accessible" readers out there, but very few, if any, that work with a student's existing TTS or screenreading technology. At best, you can franken-science something together, like using Windows Edge to open the ePub, then use Windows Narrator to listen to the file. I know that way works pretty well. Read and Write will open an ePub and read it, and includes navigation as it shows the chapters broken down on the side, so it isn't too bad. Kurzweil is a no-win because it just opens the whole file with no really useful navigation. If you're trying to use a screen reader to read the ePub, I think, again, you can open it in Edge for Windows, and I think other browsers. But how the ePub was made is going to be the best determiner of if it can be used with any form of AT. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University of Colorado Boulder 303-735-4836 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 6:02 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? Hi: It's been a long time since I taught how to create Daisy books and knew what readers were accessible. I'm taking a look at EPUB and I've created a book from one of my tutorials. I now want to read it, but didn't want to use the Calibre viewer/the app I used to create the book as I want to see how it reads in another viewer. Any suggestions on a free but good EPUB reader that is accessible? What are students and faculty using? Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4084 bytes Desc: not available URL: From adwershing at pstcc.edu Mon Mar 4 08:31:53 2019 From: adwershing at pstcc.edu (Wershing, Alice D.) Date: Mon Mar 4 08:32:03 2019 Subject: [Athen] [External] free accessible EPUB reader? In-Reply-To: <000e01d4d0f8$165f2cf0$431d86d0$@karlencommunications.com> References: <000e01d4d0f8$165f2cf0$431d86d0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Dolphin EasyReader for iOs and Android is free. The PC version is not free, it costs $55.00 but you can download a 30 day trial. VitalSource Bookshelf is also free and has been reported to be accessible from the folks at DIAGRAM Center working on the Reading Systems work. Alice Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.A.C. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7699 (fax) East TN Region Accessibility Specialist Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus PSCC Access for All Blog PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page (PSCC-Disability Services) PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed (@Access4allPSCC) From: athen-list On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2019 8:02 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [External] [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? Hi: It's been a long time since I taught how to create Daisy books and knew what readers were accessible. I'm taking a look at EPUB and I've created a book from one of my tutorials. I now want to read it, but didn't want to use the Calibre viewer/the app I used to create the book as I want to see how it reads in another viewer. Any suggestions on a free but good EPUB reader that is accessible? What are students and faculty using? Cheers, Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michaelnakai at weber.edu Mon Mar 4 09:50:10 2019 From: michaelnakai at weber.edu (Michael Nakai) Date: Mon Mar 4 09:51:09 2019 Subject: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? In-Reply-To: <000e01d4d0f8$165f2cf0$431d86d0$@karlencommunications.com> References: <000e01d4d0f8$165f2cf0$431d86d0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Most of our students that need this are savvy enough to use a Mac and iOS with VoiceOver. To that, they use iBooks as it works with VoiceOver Also, for students in our office, we offer access to Kurzweil 3000/Firefly which also has built in EPUB support. On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 6:06 AM Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > Hi: > > > > It?s been a long time since I taught how to create Daisy books and knew > what readers were accessible. > > > > I?m taking a look at EPUB and I?ve created a book from one of my > tutorials. I now want to read it, but didn?t want to use the Calibre > viewer/the app I used to create the book as I want to see how it reads in > another viewer. > > > > Any suggestions on a free but good EPUB reader that is accessible? What > are students and faculty using? > > > > Cheers, Karen > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Michael Nakai Adaptive Technology *Weber State University Disability Services* 3885 West Campus Drive Dept 1129 Ogden, Utah 84408-1129 (801) 626-6413 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Mon Mar 4 09:58:06 2019 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Mon Mar 4 10:15:19 2019 Subject: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? In-Reply-To: References: <000e01d4d0f8$165f2cf0$431d86d0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <001301d4d2b3$d2969590$77c3c0b0$@karlencommunications.com> Thanks. I finally got the Reading Tools toolbar to show in Edge but it keeps disappearing up under the Address Bar and I have to refresh the screen in order to make it visible again, then quickly find the mouse and click on it in order to keep it visible. Am finding reading EPUB as challenging as reading PDF. :) Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Michael Nakai Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 12:50 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? Most of our students that need this are savvy enough to use a Mac and iOS with VoiceOver. To that, they use iBooks as it works with VoiceOver Also, for students in our office, we offer access to Kurzweil 3000/Firefly which also has built in EPUB support. On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 6:06 AM Karlen Communications > wrote: Hi: It?s been a long time since I taught how to create Daisy books and knew what readers were accessible. I?m taking a look at EPUB and I?ve created a book from one of my tutorials. I now want to read it, but didn?t want to use the Calibre viewer/the app I used to create the book as I want to see how it reads in another viewer. Any suggestions on a free but good EPUB reader that is accessible? What are students and faculty using? Cheers, Karen _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Michael Nakai Adaptive Technology Weber State University Disability Services 3885 West Campus Drive Dept 1129 Ogden, Utah 84408-1129 (801) 626-6413 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SAMAROSITZ at pasadena.edu Mon Mar 4 11:33:24 2019 From: SAMAROSITZ at pasadena.edu (S A. Marositz) Date: Mon Mar 4 11:33:48 2019 Subject: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? In-Reply-To: <001301d4d2b3$d2969590$77c3c0b0$@karlencommunications.com> References: <000e01d4d0f8$165f2cf0$431d86d0$@karlencommunications.com> <001301d4d2b3$d2969590$77c3c0b0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Hi All I just want to throw out one more suggestion. The Chrome Web App Readium works fairly well with screen readers. http://www.daisy.org/daisypedia/readium-chrome-getting-started-guide HTH Alex From: athen-list On Behalf Of Karlen Communications Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 9:58 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? Thanks. I finally got the Reading Tools toolbar to show in Edge but it keeps disappearing up under the Address Bar and I have to refresh the screen in order to make it visible again, then quickly find the mouse and click on it in order to keep it visible. Am finding reading EPUB as challenging as reading PDF. ? Cheers, Karen From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Michael Nakai Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 12:50 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? Most of our students that need this are savvy enough to use a Mac and iOS with VoiceOver. To that, they use iBooks as it works with VoiceOver Also, for students in our office, we offer access to Kurzweil 3000/Firefly which also has built in EPUB support. On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 6:06 AM Karlen Communications > wrote: Hi: It?s been a long time since I taught how to create Daisy books and knew what readers were accessible. I?m taking a look at EPUB and I?ve created a book from one of my tutorials. I now want to read it, but didn?t want to use the Calibre viewer/the app I used to create the book as I want to see how it reads in another viewer. Any suggestions on a free but good EPUB reader that is accessible? What are students and faculty using? Cheers, Karen _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Michael Nakai Adaptive Technology Weber State University Disability Services 3885 West Campus Drive Dept 1129 Ogden, Utah 84408-1129 (801) 626-6413 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kschoeb1 at swarthmore.edu Mon Mar 4 12:21:54 2019 From: kschoeb1 at swarthmore.edu (Corrine Schoeb) Date: Mon Mar 4 12:22:37 2019 Subject: [Athen] ePubs Message-ID: I was just doing a little research on ePubs and ran across this article which might have some useful information: https://www.janefriedman.com/word-epub/ -- Corrine Schoeb Technology Accessibility Coordinator, ITS 610-957-6208 *** Swarthmore College ITS will never ask you for your password, including by email. 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Smartphone readers are pretty good too. Support for EPUBs is catching up a bit, but slowly... Karen: I'm curious what your experiences were in creating an EPUB with Calibre? I have tried that, but found it pretty cumbersome and confusing with all the options and configuration that was possible. Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Please keep your passwords private to protect yourself and the > security of our network. > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Krista Greear Accessibility and Inclusivity Crusader ?ATHEN Executive Council Vice President? Access Technology Higher Education Network -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lsnider at gmail.com Tue Mar 5 04:47:46 2019 From: lsnider at gmail.com (Lisa Snider) Date: Tue Mar 5 04:48:04 2019 Subject: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? In-Reply-To: References: <000e01d4d0f8$165f2cf0$431d86d0$@karlencommunications.com> <001301d4d2b3$d2969590$77c3c0b0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: <0BEF28C8-8C9A-4286-B020-3E89F1CF6379@gmail.com> EPUBs are still a pain in many ways. Just a note on Readium... it died in October or November due to a Chrome update, and they couldn't go forward. It is our best hope of a usable e-reader, and many are hoping it will return in a different way. Making EPUBs accessible and reading them are still a major issue, it is like websites in the late 90?s... Cheers Lisa Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 4, 2019, at 2:33 PM, S A. Marositz wrote: > > Hi All > > I just want to throw out one more suggestion. The Chrome Web App Readium works fairly well with screen readers. > http://www.daisy.org/daisypedia/readium-chrome-getting-started-guide > > HTH > > Alex > From: athen-list On Behalf Of Karlen Communications > Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 9:58 AM > To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: Re: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? > > Thanks. I finally got the Reading Tools toolbar to show in Edge but it keeps disappearing up under the Address Bar and I have to refresh the screen in order to make it visible again, then quickly find the mouse and click on it in order to keep it visible. > > Am finding reading EPUB as challenging as reading PDF. J > > Cheers, Karen > > From: athen-list On Behalf Of Michael Nakai > Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 12:50 PM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] free accessible EPUB reader? > > Most of our students that need this are savvy enough to use a Mac and iOS with VoiceOver. To that, they use iBooks as it works with > VoiceOver > Also, for students in our office, we offer access to Kurzweil 3000/Firefly which also has built in EPUB support. > > On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 6:06 AM Karlen Communications wrote: > Hi: > > It?s been a long time since I taught how to create Daisy books and knew what readers were accessible. > > I?m taking a look at EPUB and I?ve created a book from one of my tutorials. I now want to read it, but didn?t want to use the Calibre viewer/the app I used to create the book as I want to see how it reads in another viewer. > > Any suggestions on a free but good EPUB reader that is accessible? What are students and faculty using? > > Cheers, Karen > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > -- > Michael Nakai > Adaptive Technology > > Weber State University Disability Services > 3885 West Campus Drive Dept 1129 > Ogden, Utah 84408-1129 > (801) 626-6413 > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From arovner at shoreline.edu Tue Mar 5 10:03:27 2019 From: arovner at shoreline.edu (Rovner, Amy) Date: Tue Mar 5 10:04:04 2019 Subject: [Athen] Live captioning & Zoom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We have used A La Carte in the past with good success. Here is the contact info: Jamie Houchen, BS, CLVS Executive Director |A La CARTe Connection, LLC Email: jamie@alacarteconnection.com |Trillian IM: Alacarte.jamie Text: 270-925-0830 |Phone: 888-900-3239 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Krista Greear Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 5:57 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Live captioning & Zoom I have a colleague who started working at Verb.It. No personal experience to share. Krista On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 1:38 PM Corrine Schoeb > wrote: I'm looking for live captioning vendors and wonder if anyone has any recommendations. -- Corrine Schoeb Technology Accessibility Coordinator, ITS 610-957-6208 *** Swarthmore College ITS will never ask you for your password, including by email. Please keep your passwords private to protect yourself and the security of our network. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Krista Greear Accessibility and Inclusivity Crusader ?ATHEN Executive Council Vice President? Access Technology Higher Education Network -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lissner.2 at osu.edu Sat Mar 2 10:45:27 2019 From: lissner.2 at osu.edu (Lissner, Scott) Date: Tue Mar 5 10:56:22 2019 Subject: [Athen] Miami Lawyer Settles Work Place Website Accessibility Suit. In-Reply-To: <6BD3EE98-F253-4F84-8EFC-C41121DAA66E@osu.edu> References: <6BD3EE98-F253-4F84-8EFC-C41121DAA66E@osu.edu> Message-ID: The focus of this case was the daily tools for faculty & staff in a public (Title II) entity. ?Since employment now is so focused on what?s on your computer, if you don?t have access to the programs you really don?t have the same opportunities others have, and you don?t have the same opportunities of success that others have,? Dietz said. https://www.law.com/dailybusinessreview/2019/02/27/miami-lawyer-settles-rare-website-accessibility-suit-with-miami-dade-public-schools/?slreturn=20190201234028 Miami Lawyer Settles Rare Website Accessibility Suit With Miami-Dade Public Schools * [Matthew Dietz, founding member and litigation director for the Disability Independence Group Inc. Courtesy photo.] Matthew Dietz, founding member and litigation director for the Disability Independence Group Inc. * It?s not often that an entity as large as Miami-Dade County Public Schools has the accessibility of its computer software challenged in court, but that?s what blind employee Janice A. Bartleson did ? and she prevailed Monday. * The school board agreed to make all current and future websites and software accessible to users with disabilities countywide, giving $100,000 to Bartleson and $150,000 in attorney fees. * Matthew Dietz, founder and litigation director at Miami?s Disability Independence Group Inc. teamed with the National Federation of the Blind to negotiate the settlement for Bartleson ? who?s also Dietz?s neighbor. * Bartleson, who has a Ph.D, is a counselor and emotional/behavioral disabilities clinician at the school. In her 27 years there, the school has become increasingly reliant on technology. For Bartleson, that?s meant asking co-workers to read documents or type text for her, even taking work home so her daughter could help. * ?Since employment now is so focused on what?s on your computer, if you don?t have access to the programs you really don?t have the same opportunities others have, and you don?t have the same opportunities of success that others have,? Dietz said. * Not only was it a personal frustration, but Bartleson also worried about other blind employees and students who were missing out. * ?When a link, a form, a PDF is sent to you or you are asked to fill out something, you click and hope,? Bartleson said. ?Sometimes the page or tab opens and you can see all of the links but you cannot open them. It is like looking in a store, seeing something you want to check out, but the door is locked and you can?t get in.? * After exhausting the school?s internal procedures, Bartleson filed a lawsuit in April 2018. * The school board responded with a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim, and argued Bartleson should have gone through a ?Collective Bargaining Agreement? instead of bringing the suit. * The two parties eventually came together following court-ordered mediation. * School board attorney Walter J. Harvey and assistant attorney Sara M. Marken did not respond to requests for comment before deadline, but Dietz said he had no pushback from the board. * ?They understood that there was an issue and they endeavored to fix it,? Dietz said. ?This is not an expensive issue, so what it really took was getting the folks with the knowledge in there and figuring out how to do it in a cost-effective method.? * U.S. District Judge K. Michael Moore gave the green light to a consent decree Monday, dismissing the lawsuit and setting deadlines. * ________________________________ * Read the full consent decree: * [Janice A. Bartleson, a blind counselor and emotional behavioral disabilities clinician for Miami-Dade County Public Schools, which she sued over its internal websites and software applications that weren't accessible to her.] Janice A. Bartleson. Courtesy photo. * Dietz hopes the agreement will have broad implications, providing an incentive for contractors vying for school?s attention and encouraging programmers to create accessible software packages from the get-go. * ?There?s no difference between this and the old-time physical barrier removal cases that were always brought,? Dietz said. ?Once people know how to build something correctly they should build it correctly.? * In a statement Tuesday, president of the National Federation of the Blind Mark Riccobono said he commends the agreement. * ?We look forward to our collaboration with the school board to make this a reality,? Riccobono said. ?We will continue to fight for the rights of all blind employees until artificial barriers to inclusion and success no longer threaten the dignity and livelihood of blind workers.? * * Related stories: * Closed Captioning on Gas Pump TVs ? the New Frontier of Florida?s ADA Suits? * Winn-Dixie Urges Court to Reverse Landmark ADA Website Ruling * Federal Lawsuits Revived on Autism Accommodations at Disney L. Scott Lissner, The Ohio State University ADA Coordinator and 504 Compliance Officer Associate, John Glenn School of Public Affairs Lecturer, Knowlton School of Architecture, Moritz College of Law & Disability Studies Board, Center for Disability Empowerment & VSA Ohio Chair, Public Policy Committee, AHEAD (614) 292-6207(v); (614) 688-8605(tty) (614) 688-3665(fax); Http://ada.osu.edu 21 East 11th Ave., Columbus, Ohio. 43210 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Erin Salva & Emily Wise ? 10:45AM (Conference Concurrent Session) Digital Accessibility Overview. Pete Bossley ? 2:00PM (Conference Concurrent Session)) Digital Accessibility Evaluations: how to tell if something is accessible. Pete Bossley ? 3:15 PM (Free Public Event) Broadening the Digital World: Balancing Inclusion & Innovation, The Ethel Louis Armstrong Lecture on Disability Culture* Presented by Eve Hill and Tom Sikora. Whether at school, work or play we are spending time in the digital world. Websites, APPs and social media are an integral part of our culture; we can all agree that ensuring independent, timely, and seamless access for all members of our digital community is the right thing to do - but how do we get there? Join Eve Hill, Co-Lead for Inclusivity and Tom Sikora, Director of Accessibility at Workday for a dialogue exploring the meaning and value of digital inclusion as well as the pragmatics of how to move toward that goal. A moderated discussion and audience questions will identify the parameters for a thoughtful, balanced, sustainable approach; describe the commitment and the resources necessary to ensure seamless access; and begin to answer the question, ?How do we get there?? *This year?s Ethel Louise Armstrong Lecture is part of the 2018 COMPAS series focusing on Technology. The series promotes sustained reflection on the ethical challenges that unify various projects within Ohio State's Discovery Themes Initiative; providing a model of informed and constructive discussion that is too often absent from public discourse and that universities are in a unique position to promote.. ___________________________________________________________________ Hosted by The Ohio State University?s ADA Coordinator?s Office the Multiple Perspectives Conference is made possible thanks to the generosity of the Ethel Louise Armstrong Endowment Fund and ongoing support from The Ohio State University. 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Target audience for this survey are *administrators* working in *provost offices, centers for teaching and learning, disability services* (or related functional areas), as well as *faculty* at universities and colleges in the US of any rank. Please take a few minutes to participate and/or forward this email to faculty at your institution and your professional contacts. The survey is anonymous. Your responses will be reported as part of the aggregate only. Note that your participation is entirely voluntary. If you have any questions, please email me at epshteyn.e@husky.neu.edu. Link to survey Thank you for your participation. Sincerely, Ella Epshteyn Doctoral student College of Professional Studies, Northeastern University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hascherdss at gmail.com Tue Mar 5 14:02:12 2019 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Tue Mar 5 14:03:28 2019 Subject: [Athen] Read&Write security issue Message-ID: Hello all! For those who are using Read&Write on your campus and, specifically, in the testing environment, I'm curious to know if you have found a work-around for this issue. Read&Write is not officially supported by Respondus when whitelisted for the LockDown Browser. It uses external browsers (such as for the video tutorials); and, this can?t be disabled with the teacher?s toolkit like other tools can. Has anyone figured out a way to combine the use of R&W and the Respondus Lockdown browser in a way that maintains a secure test environment? Thanks one and all! Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas ARKU 209 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 479.575.7445 fax 479.575.3646 tdd +++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Tue Mar 5 14:52:20 2019 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Tue Mar 5 14:54:20 2019 Subject: [Athen] More on recording in class Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02E2738FD7@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> Half a week ago in a post here I mentioned that "Heard" is only 32 bit. I stand corrected. There's now a 64-bit version that runs on newer iDEVICES. I also tried out Cogi and it's everything advertised. The description in part reads: Cogi keeps the last few moments of audio buffered. When someone says something interesting, just tap the highlight button and Cogi backs up to capture and save what was just said. When the moment has passed, just tap again and Cogi will stop highlighting. You can have as many highlights in a session as you like. I found it worked well with VoiceOver and also Talkback. Unlike some recording apps it did not mute the screen reader. It also doesn't have a lot of extraneous buttons in its interface. You do have to pay to have it record calls as phone calls are made through their server. It is free if you don't care about recording calls. It also has an integrated keyboard that lets you type in notes to correspond with your recordings if you wish. Sighted reviewers claimed the keyboard hides part of the interface but that's less of an issue for magnification or speech users. Find Cogi here: https://cogi.com/ Heard http://www.heardapp.com/ Works a bit differently. It just saves the last buffer, which you can set for as little as 30 seconds or as long as five minutes. But it has no stop, start or pause so it's not as recorder-like as Cogi. I like both apps, each has its strengths. I also really like RecUp https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/recup-record-to-the-cloud/id416288287?mt=8 Because its interface is so so simple. You can set it to record on startup and then when you no longer need it to record, press stop. Recordings are automatically downloaded to Dropbox and removed from your device, a great solution for people whose phones or tablets don't have a lot of memory. I know there's an equivalent for Android but I cannot remember that app's name. Rec Up is particularly good too for people who find technology challenging because there are few options and no onscreen clutter. Moving on now to the advanced iDEVICE user, it's easy to create a shortcut that will start a recording and automatically stop after a particular length of time has passed. I have a siri shortcut "Do it" that records for ten seconds and another "Really do it" that records for an hour. The single action for this shortcut is : "record audio". One final point: if you use your phone or tablet to record the quality is just not going to be as good as with a digital recorder. Modern digital recorders filter out sounds like loud fans and can change the pickup pattern of their built-in microphones. They can also adjust the mic sensitivity. For example a city council meeting I recorded with both my iPHONE and digital recorder was clearer on the recorder because I was sitting in the back of the room. On the recorder I turned on the low-cut filter so it would not record the loud air conditioning unit, and I turned up the mic sensitivity and set its "zoom" level to high. One advice I always give students is to practice by recording the television first. I suggest they try recording both with and without background noise both close to the television and from farther away. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu Wed Mar 6 06:01:31 2019 From: neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu (Sorensen, Neal B) Date: Wed Mar 6 06:01:40 2019 Subject: [Athen] Read&Write security issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Respondus doesn?t play well with others. The main issue with using R&W with Lockdown Browser is that R&W requires a browser add-on (or extension on chrome) to read the content of a webpage. There are a few things that DO work with Lockdown for reading. JAWS/NVDA will work, and ReadSpeaker will work. ReadSpeaker is installed on the webpage itself and not on the computer itself per se, so when Lockdown opens the page the reader is part of the code run by the browser. Lockdown limits just about every function of the computer. I have tried opening the windows Magnifier (Windows button and plus sign), and even that doesn?t work? Usually I just request that the instructor remove the requirement for Lockdown Browser on the exam so that we can use the right tool for the student. If the student is used to Read&Write, I advocate for them to use it in the exam instead of having to learn a new tool while taking an exam. For the most part I have found instructors are willing to do this, possibly due to the fact that we are proctoring using CCTV to monitor the exam. Hope this helps! Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Heidi Scher Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 4:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Read&Write security issue Hello all! For those who are using Read&Write on your campus and, specifically, in the testing environment, I'm curious to know if you have found a work-around for this issue. Read&Write is not officially supported by Respondus when whitelisted for the LockDown Browser. It uses external browsers (such as for the video tutorials); and, this can?t be disabled with the teacher?s toolkit like other tools can. Has anyone figured out a way to combine the use of R&W and the Respondus Lockdown browser in a way that maintains a secure test environment? Thanks one and all! 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Information about the scholarship and eligibility is available at the following site: https://athenpro.org/content/teresa-haven-scholarship-students-disabilities Teresa Haven, Ph.D., was a long-time ATHEN contributor and member of the Executive Council. She was a passionate advocate for student equity and diversity in higher education. In remembrance of her dedication and service to students, the ATHEN membership voted unanimously to create a scholarship in her memory. To read more about Teresa, please visit: http://www.norvelowensmortuary.com/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=3915612&fh_id=13224 For more information and the application form, please visit the ATHEN Scholarship website: https://athenpro.org/content/teresa-haven-scholarship-students-disabilities Deadline to apply is March 29, 2019. Thank you to the Executive Council and to those who have volunteered to participate on the Scholarship Review Committee. 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However, with this security issue that has come to light, we are now having to re-evaluate what AT is suggested for students (especially those who are off-campus for tests). That's why I'm hoping someone can provide any work-arounds that they've developed in this situation. Thanks to all! Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC pronouns: *she, her, hers* Associate Director Center for Educational Access University of Arkansas ARKU 209 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 479.575.7445 fax +++++++++++++++ On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 8:02 AM Sorensen, Neal B wrote: > Respondus doesn?t play well with others. The main issue with using R&W > with Lockdown Browser is that R&W requires a browser add-on (or extension > on chrome) to read the content of a webpage. > > > There are a few things that DO work with Lockdown for reading. JAWS/NVDA > will work, and ReadSpeaker will work. > ReadSpeaker is installed on the webpage itself and not on the computer > itself per se, so when Lockdown opens the page the reader is part of the > code run by the browser. Lockdown limits just about every function of the > computer. I have tried opening the windows Magnifier (Windows button and > plus sign), and even that doesn?t work? > > > > Usually I just request that the instructor remove the requirement for > Lockdown Browser on the exam so that we can use the right tool for the > student. If the student is used to Read&Write, I advocate for them to use > it in the exam instead of having to learn a new tool while taking an exam. > For the most part I have found instructors are willing to do this, possibly > due to the fact that we are proctoring using CCTV to monitor the exam. > > > > Hope this helps! > > Neal Sorensen > > Access Specialist > > Accessibility Resources > > Minnesota State University, Mankato > > 132 Memorial Library > > Mankato, MN 56001 > > > > Phone: 507-389-5242 > > FAX: 507-389-1199 > > Email: *neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu * > > > > [image: cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in > error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the > sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Heidi Scher > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 5, 2019 4:02 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Read&Write security issue > > > > Hello all! > > > > For those who are using Read&Write on your campus and, specifically, in > the testing environment, I'm curious to know if you have found a > work-around for this issue. > > > > Read&Write is not officially supported by Respondus when whitelisted for > the LockDown Browser. It uses external browsers (such as for the video > tutorials); and, this can?t be disabled with the teacher?s toolkit like > other tools can. Has anyone figured out a way to combine the use of R&W and > the Respondus Lockdown browser in a way that maintains a secure test > environment? > > > > Thanks one and all! > > > > Heidi > > > +++++++++++++++ > Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC > Associate Director > Center for Educational Access > University of Arkansas > ARKU 209 > Fayetteville, AR 72701 > 479.575.3104 > 479.575.7445 fax > 479.575.3646 tdd > +++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Informed by the social model of disability and universal design, the Access Consultant will respond to requests for disability-related accommodations with the most equitable and seamless solution. The Access Consultant will serve as the primary point of contact for 2 - 3 academic colleges, developing relationships with faculty and advisors that move the University beyond compliance to promote and infuse accessibility into new and existing programs. Essential Responsibilities/Duties * Collaborate with students and faculty to identify and remove barriers to full participation in courses, activities, programs and services * Respond to requests for reasonable accommodations * Ensure that disability-related accommodations are effective * Problem-solve individual situations and requests * Proactively communicate with faculty and instructors about their course design to understand how best to reduce/eliminate disability-related barriers * Provide consultation, information, resources and referral to disabled students, faculty and staff members * Review, collect and maintain disability documentation presented by students as part of the process to help determine reasonable accommodation * Maintain appropriate records by documenting communication with and regarding students, courses and instructors in departmental database; record recommended actions or accommodations and curricular information. * Utilizes professional communication with students, faculty and staff regarding accommodation recommendations or concerns. * Participate actively in the continuing development of DRC services, programs and activities. * Keep abreast of national, state, and local disability-related issues. * Maintain appropriate confidentiality in verbal and written communications. Additional Roles * Provide consultation to University community on universal design, social construction of disability, and intersections of disability with campus environments * Participate on University committees, task forces, and networks and serve a liaison role with other departments, as appropriate * Maintain membership with relevant professional organizations. * Participate in professional development activities through presentation, publications, attendance at conferences and/or related activities. Again - more information at: http://uacareers.com/postings/35996 Dawn ~~ Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. |Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@email.arizona.edu drc.arizona.edu | itaccessibility.arizona.edu 520-626-9409 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Burgstahler wrote: > Another one of this topic is > > Building the Team: Faculty, Staff, and Students Working Together > > https://www.washington.edu/doit/videos/index.php?vid=3&s=Building+the+team > > > There are others that might be relevant to you in the DO-IT video > collection at https://www.washington.edu/doit/do-it-videos > > All of these videos are available captioned, audiodescribed and viewable > with a fully accessible media player, AblePlayer. > > Sheryl > > On Mar 1, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Dana Haff wrote: > > Hello-- > > I'm creating training for faculty and would like to find a short video or > other resource that will help them understand the difference between an > accommodation and accessible content. > > I found a video from Walters State Community College > that is a contender, but the sound quality > isn't great. Does anyone know of something that gets the point across in > an interesting and engaging way? > > Thank you for your help, > > Dana > > -- > > Dana Haff, MLS, MS, MAT l Instructional Design Accessibility > Specialist l UAA Academic Innovations and eLearning > 3211 Providence Drive, LIB 215 > Anchorage, AK 99508 > 907.786.4451 > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Dana Haff, MLS, MS, MAT l Instructional Design Accessibility Specialist l UAA Academic Innovations and eLearning 3211 Providence Drive, LIB 215 Anchorage, AK 99508 907.786.4451 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Jessica.Naert at unt.edu Mon Mar 11 06:23:21 2019 From: Jessica.Naert at unt.edu (Naert, Jessica) Date: Mon Mar 11 06:23:28 2019 Subject: [Athen] Happy Spring Break questions - Accessible format, note-taking, Pearson's MyLab Message-ID: Good Morning! Hope this finds you well. It is sure quiet around here due to Spring Break. I am writing to get your thoughts on a few different areas: 1) Do you all convert textbooks and classroom materials to accessible format for your students? If so, how do you handle it when students have a significant amount of library article requests for research? Do you convert them or the library? 2) How do you all handle note-takers? Do you hire them? Do you use the carbon copy paper? What does this look like? 3) What is your experience with Pearson's MyLab with students who utilize assistive technology? 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As far as library articles, many of the library databases now offer the option to download a PDF or text version of the articles which are usually accessible. Sometimes they aren't, but at least it gives us something to work with. 2) How do you all handle note-takers? Do you hire them? Do you use the carbon copy paper? What does this look like? We do use notetakers for students. We ask for volunteers then give them a stipend at the end of the semester. We do offer the use of the carbonless paper but some students take their own notes on an electronic device and will simply provide either a print copy or electronic copy of the notes to the student. The notetakers are usually other students from the class, but sometimes we have to go outside the class to get a notetaker if nobody will volunteer. This is especially true with the developmental classes. 3) What is your experience with Pearson's MyLab with students who utilize assistive technology? Not good. Yes, they claim it is accessible, but we've had problems with MyMathLab and MyReadingLab. With the math, there are questions that are marked as JAWS accessible (which is a bad way to test), but unfortunately those questions do not cover the entire course. For example, last time our math folks looked, there are no JAWS questions for graphing. With the reading, most of the articles they post to be read are scanned images. The student has to use their assistive tech to OCR the article before they can have it read. As we all know, OCR without proofing is not accurate. We cannot pull those articles out of the program to OCR and prep. HTH. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Naert, Jessica Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 8:23 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Happy Spring Break questions - Accessible format, note-taking, Pearson's MyLab Good Morning! Hope this finds you well. It is sure quiet around here due to Spring Break. I am writing to get your thoughts on a few different areas: 1) Do you all convert textbooks and classroom materials to accessible format for your students? If so, how do you handle it when students have a significant amount of library article requests for research? Do you convert them or the library? 2) How do you all handle note-takers? Do you hire them? Do you use the carbon copy paper? What does this look like? 3) What is your experience with Pearson's MyLab with students who utilize assistive technology? 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From our brief demonstration it seems like it would be more of a hindrance than anything else, but I'm eager to hear others' opinions and maybe some tips for improving the scan quality. Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu Mon Mar 11 09:39:47 2019 From: armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu (Deborah Armstrong) Date: Mon Mar 11 09:41:42 2019 Subject: [Athen] Comparing iPAD magnification with a video magnifier Message-ID: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02E714532E@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> I was asked this question twice this week, once by a parent and once by a counselor. If a student wishes to magnify the whiteboard and the projector in class on a regular basis, which is better; to use an iPAD or one of the modern video magnifiers with a distance camera? I have enough vision to see that something is being magnified, but not enough to actualy make an intelligent comparison. I'm looking for feebback here but what I've told students so far is this: A video magnifier is like a GPS. Just as a commercial GPS is dedicated to giving drivers accurate maps and driving directions, a video magnifier has the single purpose of making it possible to see distant objects in the classroom such as the whiteboard and also magnifying close-up, for reading handouts and books. On the other hand, there's probably a GPS in your phone. But because your phone can pop up notifications, let you take notes, play games and read books, it's not a dedicated mapping tool. A driver might find using a phone's GPS both convenient and distracting. For occasional use, magnifying the whiteboard using a modern iOS can be handy. But you won't have the higher power magnifications nor will you be able to magnify from the distance that a dedicated video magnifier's distance viewing camera is designed for. You must remember too that the iPAD's ability to magnify what the camera sees is located under Settings-General-Accessibility-Magnifier; it's not a single button push to turn it on and people do tend to confuse it with Zoom, the feature that magnifies what's on the iPAD's screen. If you use magnifier often, you can add it to the triple-click home accessibility shortcut if you still have a home button, but it's not just a single on switch to enable it. The iPAD can also snap a picture of the whiteboard, or an instructor's slide. There are high-end magnifiers that can save pictures too, but many do not. On the other hand, a student's iPAD might always be with him, and iPADS are often loaned by disability services to students. So that convenience might override the hassle of using an iPAD for magnification. If you think there are better or more accurate ways to phrase this, let me know. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lissner.2 at osu.edu Thu Mar 7 09:35:55 2019 From: lissner.2 at osu.edu (Lissner, Scott) Date: Mon Mar 11 10:34:55 2019 Subject: [Athen] Registration is open for the 2019 Multiple Perspectives On Access, Inclusion & Disability Message-ID: <68625143-EFE1-40D0-AD66-69F92C14A64E@osu.edu> Please Share: Registration is open for the 2019 Multiple Perspectives On Access, Inclusion & Disability 1 day SDS@OSU: Preconference 24 concurrent sessions 4 free public events * Opening Keynote: Integrating Race, Transforming Feminist Disability Studies followed by The Disco Ball * Screening & discussion of Piss On Pity: We Will Ride * Ken Campbell Lectrue: A Conversation with Judy Heumann: Looking Back to Think Ahead * Ethel Louse Armstrong Lecture*: Broadening the Digital World: Balancing Inclusion & Innovation followed by Ethel Louise Armstrong Student Poster Competition & Reception. Monday?s featured thread - Disability History and Activism. Tuesday?s featured thread: Digital Access and Equity Sessions are free to OSU students, faculty and staff due to the generosity of our partners. *This year?s Ethel Louise Armstrong Lecture is part of the 2018 COMPAS series focusing on Technology. The series promotes sustained reflection on the ethical challenges that unify various projects within Ohio State's Discovery Themes Initiative; providing a model of informed and constructive discussion that is too often absent from public discourse and that universities are in a unique position to promote.. Hosted by The Ohio State University?s ADA Coordinator?s Office the Multiple Perspectives Conference is made possible thanks to the generosity of the Ethel Louise Armstrong Endowment Fund and ongoing support from The Ohio State University. Current partners include The Society For Disability Studies and numerous offices within The Ohio State University: The Multicultural Center Disability Studies The Center for Ethics and Human Values Transitions Options in Postsecondary Settings (TOPS) Disability Studies Graduate Student Association Student Life Disability Services The Department of Comparative Studies Project Narrative The Office of Diversity and Inclusion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Mon Mar 11 10:46:07 2019 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Mon Mar 11 10:46:17 2019 Subject: [Athen] Comparing iPAD magnification with a video magnifier In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02E714532E@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02E714532E@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: There is a free app for IOS and Android called SuperVision Plus that many have told me is far better, especially for distance viewing, that IOS Magnifier. It does allow you to take a picture, if I remember correctly. Again, it is free so it might be worth checking out. Also, on iPhoneX, the side button works as the Accessibility Shortcut Key the same as the old Home Button worked. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 11:40 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Comparing iPAD magnification with a video magnifier I was asked this question twice this week, once by a parent and once by a counselor. If a student wishes to magnify the whiteboard and the projector in class on a regular basis, which is better; to use an iPAD or one of the modern video magnifiers with a distance camera? I have enough vision to see that something is being magnified, but not enough to actualy make an intelligent comparison. I'm looking for feebback here but what I've told students so far is this: A video magnifier is like a GPS. Just as a commercial GPS is dedicated to giving drivers accurate maps and driving directions, a video magnifier has the single purpose of making it possible to see distant objects in the classroom such as the whiteboard and also magnifying close-up, for reading handouts and books. On the other hand, there's probably a GPS in your phone. But because your phone can pop up notifications, let you take notes, play games and read books, it's not a dedicated mapping tool. A driver might find using a phone's GPS both convenient and distracting. For occasional use, magnifying the whiteboard using a modern iOS can be handy. But you won't have the higher power magnifications nor will you be able to magnify from the distance that a dedicated video magnifier's distance viewing camera is designed for. You must remember too that the iPAD's ability to magnify what the camera sees is located under Settings-General-Accessibility-Magnifier; it's not a single button push to turn it on and people do tend to confuse it with Zoom, the feature that magnifies what's on the iPAD's screen. If you use magnifier often, you can add it to the triple-click home accessibility shortcut if you still have a home button, but it's not just a single on switch to enable it. The iPAD can also snap a picture of the whiteboard, or an instructor's slide. There are high-end magnifiers that can save pictures too, but many do not. On the other hand, a student's iPAD might always be with him, and iPADS are often loaned by disability services to students. So that convenience might override the hassle of using an iPAD for magnification. If you think there are better or more accurate ways to phrase this, let me know. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu Mon Mar 11 11:16:11 2019 From: neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu (Sorensen, Neal B) Date: Mon Mar 11 11:16:20 2019 Subject: [Athen] Comparing iPAD magnification with a video magnifier In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02E714532E@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02E714532E@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: I used a few of these to help a student in a Chemistry lab. The student used his own android phone and the "Visor" app, which is free. Visor is now also on iOS. If I recall correctly, he preferred this one to other options. Buttons on Visor are large and bright. We also tried Claro Mag X with an iPad Pro, which was very nice with the large screen. We could zoom in on details, and it enabled him to count dropperfuls of a chemical into a solution. Most days we provided an aide (often myself) to assist in holding the device in place so he had hands free. The effectiveness of "smart-device" magnifiers depends much on the capability of the camera, size of the screen, etc. Devices with higher megapixel cameras will do better. We checked out a Ruby device to this student, but he ultimately returned it and exclusively used his phone! I think many of the purpose-built magnifiers use similar CMOS sensors, but I'm not sure if they are exactly comparable to what goes into a modern smartphone. The true power of these apps is having to only use one device. Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 11:40 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Comparing iPAD magnification with a video magnifier I was asked this question twice this week, once by a parent and once by a counselor. If a student wishes to magnify the whiteboard and the projector in class on a regular basis, which is better; to use an iPAD or one of the modern video magnifiers with a distance camera? I have enough vision to see that something is being magnified, but not enough to actualy make an intelligent comparison. I'm looking for feebback here but what I've told students so far is this: A video magnifier is like a GPS. Just as a commercial GPS is dedicated to giving drivers accurate maps and driving directions, a video magnifier has the single purpose of making it possible to see distant objects in the classroom such as the whiteboard and also magnifying close-up, for reading handouts and books. On the other hand, there's probably a GPS in your phone. But because your phone can pop up notifications, let you take notes, play games and read books, it's not a dedicated mapping tool. A driver might find using a phone's GPS both convenient and distracting. For occasional use, magnifying the whiteboard using a modern iOS can be handy. But you won't have the higher power magnifications nor will you be able to magnify from the distance that a dedicated video magnifier's distance viewing camera is designed for. You must remember too that the iPAD's ability to magnify what the camera sees is located under Settings-General-Accessibility-Magnifier; it's not a single button push to turn it on and people do tend to confuse it with Zoom, the feature that magnifies what's on the iPAD's screen. If you use magnifier often, you can add it to the triple-click home accessibility shortcut if you still have a home button, but it's not just a single on switch to enable it. The iPAD can also snap a picture of the whiteboard, or an instructor's slide. There are high-end magnifiers that can save pictures too, but many do not. On the other hand, a student's iPAD might always be with him, and iPADS are often loaned by disability services to students. So that convenience might override the hassle of using an iPAD for magnification. If you think there are better or more accurate ways to phrase this, let me know. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Emma Emma Steincross, Assistive Technology Manager Student Accessibility Services pronouns: she, her, hers L33 Berry, Room L12 Hanover, NH 03755 (603) 646-9907 ~ Check out the new alternative format, Document Conversion tool available to Dartmouth.edu faculty, staff, and students who want to assure their materials are accessible to individuals with print-based disabilities: SensusAccess ? (603) 646-9900 <-- Use this number to request appointments Telefacsimile:? (603) 646-3727 Main Office e-mail:??Student.Accessibility.Services@Dartmouth.edu ? Web site:??Student Accessibility Services ? CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this email message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information and may be legally protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or their agent, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply email and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, copying, or storage of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net Mon Mar 11 12:19:32 2019 From: ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net (Shelley Haven) Date: Mon Mar 11 12:20:05 2019 Subject: [Athen] Exam Reader Pen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <488E83B3-C645-4AC9-8D42-0238E30AE032@techpotential.net> I have used the C-Pen products (like your Exam Reader) with individual students, but not at a testing center. As for tips to improve scan quality, most of mine relate to the student?s motor skills. I listed some in my Feb. 8th post on this, in particular (boldface added): > One requirement is that the student have reasonably good fine motor skills. You have to be able to hold the pen at the correct tilted angle, maintain constant pressure, swipe across words or a line of text at an even speed, swipe in a relatively straight line, and be sure not to miss part of the text you're scanning or overshoot and scan parts of other words. > ?? > I suggest having the student trial the reader pen with?a straight edge? Do you mainly encounter certain types of scanning errors ? e.g., over- and undershooting the ends of words? Do errors occur mostly when scanning individuals words or entire lines of text? (The latter is definitely more difficult, hence the straightedge suggestion.) Hope this helps, Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant www.TechPotential.net > On Mar 11, 2019, at 7:19 AM, Robert Spangler wrote: > > Hello all, we are currently trialing the exam reader pen from examreader.com . Our testing coordinator and I played with it for a while and found that its accuracy is not all that great. We were using a paper with clear text on it - in fact, it was a printout of their getting started sheet. What are the experiences of others on this list who have used this product? Is there anyone on here who is actively using this device in their testing centers? How has it worked for you? From our brief demonstration it seems like it would be more of a hindrance than anything else, but I'm eager to hear others' opinions and maybe some tips for improving the scan quality. > > Thanks, > Robert > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks in advance for > the help! > > > > Thanks, > > Emma > > > > Emma Steincross, Assistive Technology Manager > > Student Accessibility Services > > pronouns: she, her, hers > > > > L33 Berry, Room L12 > > Hanover, NH 03755 > > (603) 646-9907 > > > > ~ Check out the new alternative format, Document Conversion tool available > to Dartmouth.edu faculty, staff, and students who want to assure their > materials are accessible to individuals with print-based disabilities: > SensusAccess > > > > > (603) 646-9900 *?** Use this number to request appointments* > > Telefacsimile:? (603) 646-3727 > > Main Office e-mail:??Student.Accessibility.Services@Dartmouth.edu > > > > Web site:??Student Accessibility Services > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this email message and any > attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain > confidential and/or privileged information and may be legally protected > from disclosure. 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URL: From ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net Mon Mar 11 12:32:47 2019 From: ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net (Shelley Haven) Date: Mon Mar 11 12:33:50 2019 Subject: [Athen] screen-sharing between PC and Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <809346F8-813B-4167-B920-FDCF14C6C886@techpotential.net> My first inclination is to do screen sharing via a web conferencing service like Zoom . Make sure ?Zoom Client for Meetings ? is installed on both PC and Mac, have the PC share its screen during the ?meeting?, and if desired, grant the Mac ?remote control? of the PC?s mouse and keyboard. For a single PC sharing to a single Mac, this setup would be free for an unlimited meeting duration. - Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant www.TechPotential.net > On Mar 11, 2019, at 12:11 PM, Emma C. Steincross wrote: > > Hello, > > I was hoping someone on here might have helpful suggestions for sharing a PC?s screen to a Mac. I?ve already tried downloading Microsoft Remote Desktop to both of my devices to test it out, but after checking all settings quite a few times, it?s still not working. Thanks in advance for the help! > > Thanks, > Emma > > Emma Steincross, Assistive Technology Manager > Student Accessibility Services > pronouns: she, her, hers > > L33 Berry, Room L12 > Hanover, NH 03755 > (603) 646-9907 > > ~ Check out the new alternative format, Document Conversion tool available to Dartmouth.edu faculty, staff, and students who want to assure their materials are accessible to individuals with print-based disabilities: SensusAccess > ? > (603) 646-9900 ? Use this number to request appointments > Telefacsimile:? (603) 646-3727 > Main Office e-mail:??Student.Accessibility.Services@Dartmouth.edu > ? > Web site:??Student Accessibility Services > ? > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this email message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information and may be legally protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or their agent, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply email and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, copying, or storage of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kgslough at gmail.com Mon Mar 11 12:39:48 2019 From: kgslough at gmail.com (Kyle Slough) Date: Mon Mar 11 12:40:04 2019 Subject: [Athen] screen-sharing between PC and Mac? In-Reply-To: <809346F8-813B-4167-B920-FDCF14C6C886@techpotential.net> References: <809346F8-813B-4167-B920-FDCF14C6C886@techpotential.net> Message-ID: <9D810553-3C94-40FD-9144-27051FBE74B1@gmail.com> Try ?join me.? You use a code to share the screens. Both the pc and Mac will have to download the software. Either person can control the mouse with permission. It is free and from the same company as ?go to meetings.? Kyle Slough Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 11, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Shelley Haven wrote: > > My first inclination is to do screen sharing via a web conferencing service like Zoom. Make sure ?Zoom Client for Meetings? is installed on both PC and Mac, have the PC share its screen during the ?meeting?, and if desired, grant the Mac ?remote control? of the PC?s mouse and keyboard. > > For a single PC sharing to a single Mac, this setup would be free for an unlimited meeting duration. > > - Shelley > > _____________________________ > Shelley Haven ATP, RET > Assistive Technology Consultant > www.TechPotential.net > > > >> On Mar 11, 2019, at 12:11 PM, Emma C. Steincross wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I was hoping someone on here might have helpful suggestions for sharing a PC?s screen to a Mac. I?ve already tried downloading Microsoft Remote Desktop to both of my devices to test it out, but after checking all settings quite a few times, it?s still not working. Thanks in advance for the help! >> >> Thanks, >> Emma >> >> Emma Steincross, Assistive Technology Manager >> Student Accessibility Services >> pronouns: she, her, hers >> >> L33 Berry, Room L12 >> Hanover, NH 03755 >> (603) 646-9907 >> >> ~ Check out the new alternative format, Document Conversion tool available to Dartmouth.edu faculty, staff, and students who want to assure their materials are accessible to individuals with print-based disabilities: SensusAccess >> ? >> (603) 646-9900 ? Use this number to request appointments >> Telefacsimile:? (603) 646-3727 >> Main Office e-mail:??Student.Accessibility.Services@Dartmouth.edu >> ? >> Web site:??Student Accessibility Services >> ? >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this email message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information and may be legally protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or their agent, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply email and then delete this message and any attachments. 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Microsoft remote desktop should work, if: * the student?s computer is Windows 7,8, 10 *PRO* * if the school?s network is not blocking remote desktop access * if the student?s home internet is not blocking remote desktop access (if the PC is off campus * and if on the windows computer all the proper settings are set, including windows firewall. I agree with Dan?s recommendation of Zoom. If remote control is needed you could also try TeamViewer (its free for personal use). Note: TeamViewer may not work with AT (some AT require special licenses for remote access). Thankx, Joe Humbert joe@a11yeval.com From: athen-list On Behalf Of Dan Comden Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:24 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] screen-sharing between PC and Mac? Common conferencing programs will do the trick, as long as the Mac user doesn't need to interact with the PC screen as far as a screenreader. We've had excellent results conferencing with Zoom. -*- Dan On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 12:12 PM Emma C. Steincross > wrote: Hello, I was hoping someone on here might have helpful suggestions for sharing a PC?s screen to a Mac. I?ve already tried downloading Microsoft Remote Desktop to both of my devices to test it out, but after checking all settings quite a few times, it?s still not working. Thanks in advance for the help! Thanks, Emma Emma Steincross, Assistive Technology Manager Student Accessibility Services pronouns: she, her, hers L33 Berry, Room L12 Hanover, NH 03755 (603) 646-9907 ~ Check out the new alternative format, Document Conversion tool available to Dartmouth.edu faculty, staff, and students who want to assure their materials are accessible to individuals with print-based disabilities: SensusAccess ? (603) 646-9900 <-- Use this number to request appointments Telefacsimile:? (603) 646-3727 Main Office e-mail:?? Student.Accessibility.Services@Dartmouth.edu ? Web site:?? 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If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, copying, or storage of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vplace at columbiabasin.edu Mon Mar 11 12:55:24 2019 From: vplace at columbiabasin.edu (Place, Vicki) Date: Mon Mar 11 12:55:46 2019 Subject: [Athen] Comparing iPAD magnification with a video magnifier In-Reply-To: References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02E714532E@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: Visor on iPhone is not free any longer. It costs $1.99. Life is a succession of lessons which must be lived to be understood. Helen Keller [Visit the CBC Website] Vicki Place Assistive Technology Center Program Support Supervisor II 509.542.4428, or ext. 2428 [Follow CBC on Facebook] [Follow CBC on Instagram] [Follow CBC on Twitter] [Follow CBC on YouTube] [Start Here, Soar anywhere] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Sorensen, Neal B Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 11:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Comparing iPAD magnification with a video magnifier CAUTION: This email originated outside Columbia Basin College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Questions? Call the IS Helpdesk at x2353 or email ishelp@columbiabasin.edu. I used a few of these to help a student in a Chemistry lab. The student used his own android phone and the "Visor" app, which is free. Visor is now also on iOS. If I recall correctly, he preferred this one to other options. Buttons on Visor are large and bright. We also tried Claro Mag X with an iPad Pro, which was very nice with the large screen. We could zoom in on details, and it enabled him to count dropperfuls of a chemical into a solution. Most days we provided an aide (often myself) to assist in holding the device in place so he had hands free. The effectiveness of "smart-device" magnifiers depends much on the capability of the camera, size of the screen, etc. Devices with higher megapixel cameras will do better. We checked out a Ruby device to this student, but he ultimately returned it and exclusively used his phone! I think many of the purpose-built magnifiers use similar CMOS sensors, but I'm not sure if they are exactly comparable to what goes into a modern smartphone. The true power of these apps is having to only use one device. Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 11:40 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: [Athen] Comparing iPAD magnification with a video magnifier I was asked this question twice this week, once by a parent and once by a counselor. If a student wishes to magnify the whiteboard and the projector in class on a regular basis, which is better; to use an iPAD or one of the modern video magnifiers with a distance camera? I have enough vision to see that something is being magnified, but not enough to actualy make an intelligent comparison. I'm looking for feebback here but what I've told students so far is this: A video magnifier is like a GPS. Just as a commercial GPS is dedicated to giving drivers accurate maps and driving directions, a video magnifier has the single purpose of making it possible to see distant objects in the classroom such as the whiteboard and also magnifying close-up, for reading handouts and books. On the other hand, there's probably a GPS in your phone. But because your phone can pop up notifications, let you take notes, play games and read books, it's not a dedicated mapping tool. A driver might find using a phone's GPS both convenient and distracting. For occasional use, magnifying the whiteboard using a modern iOS can be handy. But you won't have the higher power magnifications nor will you be able to magnify from the distance that a dedicated video magnifier's distance viewing camera is designed for. You must remember too that the iPAD's ability to magnify what the camera sees is located under Settings-General-Accessibility-Magnifier; it's not a single button push to turn it on and people do tend to confuse it with Zoom, the feature that magnifies what's on the iPAD's screen. If you use magnifier often, you can add it to the triple-click home accessibility shortcut if you still have a home button, but it's not just a single on switch to enable it. The iPAD can also snap a picture of the whiteboard, or an instructor's slide. There are high-end magnifiers that can save pictures too, but many do not. On the other hand, a student's iPAD might always be with him, and iPADS are often loaned by disability services to students. 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Please let me know if you plan to attend so I can guesstimate the right size table. Restaurant: I'm thinking of nFuse (in the Anaheim Marriott). If anyone has any different ideas let me know. I've never been to Anaheim before so I have no idea but this place looks good. (Now that I'm here the restaurant looks fine but would prefer to go outside the hotel. Let me know if anyone has any suggestions). Note about dinner/meeting time: I know in some years there's been a Tweet-up event in the evening on Thursday. As a result we've met a little later - about 8:15 in the past. I don't see anything in the schedule (about any evening events except the Tuesday keynote). Anyway, we can always move the meeting time back a bit if there's a conflicting event. -- Regards, Howard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mstores at indiana.edu Tue Mar 12 06:54:50 2019 From: mstores at indiana.edu (Stores, Mary A.) Date: Tue Mar 12 06:55:14 2019 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 14, 7:30 pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BE072F6-6AB2-4431-A022-F3AE57B29BE1@indiana.edu> Hello! I would definitely like to attend. I attended the Accessing Higher Ground conference the year before last, and the ATAC at Indiana University where I am happily employed has been asked to present some pre-conference workshops this year. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Mar 11, 2019, at 6:52 PM, Howard Kramer > wrote: Dear Colleagues: As per previous years, I'd like to hold a dinner/meeting at a nearby restaurant on Thursday evening (7:30 p.m.), March 14, at CSUN (International Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference) for dinner and for ATHEN members (or others) to provide their input on this year's Accessing Higher Ground conference. Please let me know if you plan to attend so I can guesstimate the right size table. Restaurant: I'm thinking of nFuse (in the Anaheim Marriott). If anyone has any different ideas let me know. I've never been to Anaheim before so I have no idea but this place looks good. (Now that I'm here the restaurant looks fine but would prefer to go outside the hotel. Let me know if anyone has any suggestions). Note about dinner/meeting time: I know in some years there's been a Tweet-up event in the evening on Thursday. As a result we've met a little later - about 8:15 in the past. I don't see anything in the schedule (about any evening events except the Tuesday keynote). Anyway, we can always move the meeting time back a bit if there's a conflicting event. -- Regards, Howard _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tft at uw.edu Tue Mar 12 10:12:45 2019 From: tft at uw.edu (Terrill Thompson) Date: Tue Mar 12 10:14:00 2019 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 14, 7:30 pm In-Reply-To: <2BE072F6-6AB2-4431-A022-F3AE57B29BE1@indiana.edu> References: <2BE072F6-6AB2-4431-A022-F3AE57B29BE1@indiana.edu> Message-ID: I plan to attend as well. There are lots of alternatives to nFuse nearby. The Garden Walk is a half mile away, and includes all the usual touristy chain restaurants like Cheesecake Factory, Bubba Gump Shrimp, P.F. Chang's, and lots more. Downtown Disney is a little further (about a mile), and includes even more options, like Ballast Point (brewery), Black Tap Craft Burgers & Beer, Catal, etc. Maybe meet in the Marriott lobby at 7:30 and discuss our options? Terrill --- Terrill Thompson Technology Accessibility Specialist DO-IT, Accessible Technology Services UW Information Technology University of Washington tft@uw.edu On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 6:55 AM Stores, Mary A. wrote: > Hello! I would definitely like to attend. I attended the Accessing Higher > Ground conference the year before last, and the ATAC at Indiana University > where I am happily employed has been asked to present some pre-conference > workshops this year. > > Mary > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 11, 2019, at 6:52 PM, Howard Kramer > wrote: > > Dear Colleagues: > > As per previous years, I'd like to hold a dinner/meeting at a nearby > restaurant on Thursday evening (7:30 p.m.), March 14, at CSUN > (International Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference) for > dinner and for ATHEN members (or others) to provide their input on this > year's Accessing Higher Ground conference. Please let me know if you plan > to attend so I can guesstimate the right size table. > > Restaurant: I'm thinking of nFuse > > (in the Anaheim Marriott). If anyone has any different ideas let me > know. I've never been to Anaheim before so I have no idea but this place > looks good. (Now that I'm here the restaurant looks fine but would prefer > to go outside the hotel. Let me know if anyone has any suggestions). > > Note about dinner/meeting time: I know in some years there's been a > Tweet-up event in the evening on Thursday. As a result we've met a little > later - about 8:15 in the past. I don't see anything in the schedule (about > any evening events except the Tuesday keynote). Anyway, we can always move > the meeting time back a bit if there's a conflicting event. > > -- > Regards, > Howard > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jiatyan at stanford.edu Tue Mar 12 17:16:29 2019 From: jiatyan at stanford.edu (Jiatyan Chen) Date: Tue Mar 12 17:17:09 2019 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 14, 7:30 pm In-Reply-To: References: <2BE072F6-6AB2-4431-A022-F3AE57B29BE1@indiana.edu>, Message-ID: <1AFB3178-1832-41FB-8FDD-DCFD225376F9@stanford.edu> I'll look for familiar faces all at the Marriott lobby at 7:30pm. I'm happy walk anywhere within an hour, so Garden Walk is totally doable. For those who are short on time, there is also a restaurant Mix (2 min across in the Hilton). -- Jiatyan Chen From howard.kramer at colorado.edu Tue Mar 12 17:20:35 2019 From: howard.kramer at colorado.edu (Howard Kramer) Date: Tue Mar 12 17:21:02 2019 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 14, 7:30 pm In-Reply-To: <1AFB3178-1832-41FB-8FDD-DCFD225376F9@stanford.edu> References: <2BE072F6-6AB2-4431-A022-F3AE57B29BE1@indiana.edu>, , <1AFB3178-1832-41FB-8FDD-DCFD225376F9@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Sounds like a plan although I think I'll try to narrow down the choices before Thursday. I'll do a little research since my diet is the most restricted. -Howard ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Jiatyan Chen Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 6:16 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 14, 7:30 pm I'll look for familiar faces all at the Marriott lobby at 7:30pm. I'm happy walk anywhere within an hour, so Garden Walk is totally doable. For those who are short on time, there is also a restaurant Mix (2 min across in the Hilton). -- Jiatyan Chen _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jiatyan at stanford.edu Tue Mar 12 17:34:45 2019 From: jiatyan at stanford.edu (Jiatyan Chen) Date: Tue Mar 12 17:35:16 2019 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 14, 7:30 pm In-Reply-To: <1AFB3178-1832-41FB-8FDD-DCFD225376F9@stanford.edu> References: <2BE072F6-6AB2-4431-A022-F3AE57B29BE1@indiana.edu>, , <1AFB3178-1832-41FB-8FDD-DCFD225376F9@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <3B1B923E-4B8A-498D-8E6B-132998215AE7@stanford.edu> Oh oops, I didn't read carefully that it is Thursday. Can't make it. Sorry to miss you all. -- Jiatyan From Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu Wed Mar 13 08:10:56 2019 From: Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu (Joseph Sherman) Date: Wed Mar 13 08:11:43 2019 Subject: [Athen] DropBox accessibility Message-ID: Hi all. We are looking into getting Dropbox for our campus. I'll be doing my testing, but I was hoping folks had accessibility comments or done accessibility testing on the DropBox web and desktop application? 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Lewis, Jr. Director of Government Sales and Strategic Partnerships The Paciello Group A Vispero Company 17757 US Highway 19 N, Suite 560 Clearwater, FL 33764 Phone: +1(727) 803-8000, EXT 1909 E-Mail Fax: +1 (216) 502-3353 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:11 AM To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' Cc: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] DropBox accessibility Hi all. We are looking into getting Dropbox for our campus. I'll be doing my testing, but I was hoping folks had accessibility comments or done accessibility testing on the DropBox web and desktop application? Are there any special barriers we need to be aware of? Thanks. Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All I had to do was go to Edit, Preferences, Security(enhanced) and turn off protected view. Seems like Adobe could have given a few informative messages to alert me to the issue. "Access denied" doesn't cut it and there are thirty separate categories under preferences. I hate when the complexity of software makes an issue like this so difficult to track down! --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erik.ferguson at pcc.edu Wed Mar 13 08:40:10 2019 From: erik.ferguson at pcc.edu (Erik Ferguson) Date: Wed Mar 13 08:40:48 2019 Subject: [Athen] Adobe Reader DC -- in case this happens to you In-Reply-To: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02E714B783@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> References: <61C6DD490FBB3D43A1AA33BF158ED7AF02E714B783@MB2.FHDA.LEARN> Message-ID: Thanks for posting this! It is indeed a problem I have encountered many times before. Sorry you had to go through that. Great tip! On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 8:37 AM Deborah Armstrong wrote: > On my home computer I could no longer read PDF files. Read aloud wouldn?t > work. Screen readers would find the pages blank. This was true even with > fully accessible PDF files. And trying to save the file as text got me an > ?access denied? message. > > > > I thought it had something to do with Windows 10, or an accessibility > setting ? it didn?t! > > > > It was very frustrating; I was emailing myself PDF files from home to work > to read. > > > > Then I discovered the problem was caused by Protected View. All I had to > do was go to Edit, Preferences, Security(enhanced) and turn off protected > view. > > > > Seems like Adobe could have given a few informative messages to alert me > to the issue. ?Access denied? doesn?t cut it and there are thirty separate > categories under preferences. I hate when the complexity of software makes > an issue like this so difficult to track down! > > > > --Debee > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Erik Ferguson Alternative Media Technician PCC Disability Services Assistive Technology Team Contact us for questions and support at: Phone: 971-722-TECH (971-722-8324) access-tech-group@pcc.edu *Please Note: I am not in office Tuesday or Thursday. For immediate response please use the email and number listed in signature above.* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, if you save an audio or video in your dropbox your phone will play it directly using Dropbox's native app insteadof requiring you "share" it with another app. When I was helping my Mom who is in er eighties organize her photos we found that the interface for viewing them using Dropbox, as opposed to other cloud solutions was easier for her to use. My mom has no significant impairments except a bit of befuddlement when it comes to technology. One drawback of Dropbox is its price. One-drive is cheaper, and google drive gives you more storage for free. Mom was happy to pay extra for the convenience of seeing her photos everywhere. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Larry L. Lewis, Jr. Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:21 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' ; 'WebAIM Discussion List' Subject: Re: [Athen] DropBox accessibility It's pretty clean on the accessibility fronts, both on desktop as well as the Mobile iOS App. I haven't used its mobile Android counterpart. [The Paciello Group logo] Warmest Regards: Larry L. Lewis, Jr. Director of Government Sales and Strategic Partnerships The Paciello Group A Vispero Company 17757 US Highway 19 N, Suite 560 Clearwater, FL 33764 Phone: +1(727) 803-8000, EXT 1909 E-Mail Fax: +1 (216) 502-3353 [Lewis Signature] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 8:11 AM To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' > Cc: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' > Subject: [Athen] DropBox accessibility Hi all. We are looking into getting Dropbox for our campus. I'll be doing my testing, but I was hoping folks had accessibility comments or done accessibility testing on the DropBox web and desktop application? Are there any special barriers we need to be aware of? Thanks. Joseph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Even if I said yes, over ride the tags, I was told the document was blank yet when I opened the Tags Tree, the Tags were still there. This happened in Adobe acrobat Pro DC with EVERY tagged PDF I tried to read until I uninstalled Acrobat, went to the Adobe website and downloaded the current version/I hoped and installed it. I've since heard others who are reporting the same issue. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 11:30 AM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Adobe Reader DC -- in case this happens to you On my home computer I could no longer read PDF files. Read aloud wouldn't work. Screen readers would find the pages blank. This was true even with fully accessible PDF files. And trying to save the file as text got me an "access denied" message. I thought it had something to do with Windows 10, or an accessibility setting - it didn't! 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But it *might* work!.?Here's a link to their website.?https://mathtalk.com/Wink HarnerSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Jill Heilman Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to assisting students with the dictation software.? I have a student who would like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework.? Does Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.??Appreciate any information you could?provide.Thanks,Jill-- Jill HeilmanAssociate DirectorAcademic Resource HubLafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall610-330-5071 ~?heilmanj@lafayette.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net Wed Mar 13 17:53:15 2019 From: ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net (Shelley Haven) Date: Wed Mar 13 17:53:51 2019 Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework In-Reply-To: <5c898d56.1c69fb81.e4192.d342@mx.google.com> References: <5c898d56.1c69fb81.e4192.d342@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <84922694-5F8D-42F6-AD9F-8B723B415374@techpotential.net> Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-) As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor do they sell it. However, if you already have or purchase their last versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance, the software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra), but only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave). Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the Mac's main menu bar). Specify the app in which your new commands will work (or specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result. That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of keystrokes to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow. So for example, if I wanted to type the formula for sulfuric acid into Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes: H Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text) 2 Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript) S O Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign 4 Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign I could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be typed. (BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!) You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility built into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands). Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and the like. (Again, I just tried this, too, and it works!) You might consider using either of these methods to create text strings for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic compounds ? go wild!). For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste Text box. (Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app the student will use for dictating the macros.) You might also consider using either approach with the math and science entry software by Efofex.com ? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX Equation. (FX ChemStruct actually draws the chemical structures!) Again, you would need to first create individual speech macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the desired formulas, etc. (Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own unique entry methods.) Will this take some time and effort to set up? Of course. But depending on the complexity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework. Good luck! - Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant www.TechPotential.net > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype wrote: > > Hi Jill et al ATHENites > > Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software on their own or not. > > There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure. > > You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with Dragon NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!. Here's a link to their website. > https://mathtalk.com/ > > Wink Harner > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Jill Heilman > Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who would like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to do Chemistry equations and Math Equations. > > Appreciate any information you could provide. > > Thanks, > Jill > -- > Jill Heilman > > Associate Director > > Academic Resource Hub > > Lafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall > > 610-330-5071 ~ heilmanj@lafayette.edu _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Wed Mar 13 21:37:01 2019 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (foreigntype) Date: Wed Mar 13 21:35:20 2019 Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework In-Reply-To: <84922694-5F8D-42F6-AD9F-8B723B415374@techpotential.net> Message-ID: <5c89d9ef.1c69fb81.d991f.609e@mx.google.com> ?hi all??When I said that I could provoke Dragon Naturally Speaking into doing things it was not necessarily designed to do, let me clarify. I wrote macros so that I could dictate Braille. I also wrote macros so I could dictate physics, and?chemistry. It is not for the faint of heart. It is difficult and time- consuming, however beneficial in the long run! I trained more than 900 macro commands to do alternative textbook conversion for Kurzweil in physics and chemistry.I am the guru in the Windows operating system for Dragon Naturally Speaking. Shelley knows a lot more about the Mac system. Between the two of us we could probably figure this out for your student!WinkSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Shelley Haven Date: 3/13/19 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00) To: ATHEN Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-)As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor do they sell it. ?However, if you already have or purchase their last versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance, the software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra), but only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave).Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the Mac's main menu bar). ?Specify the app in which your new commands will work (or specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result. ?That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of keystrokes to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow.So for example, if I wanted to type the formula for sulfuric acid into Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes:HCmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text)2Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript)SOCmd-Ctrl-minus sign4Cmd-Ctrl-minus signI could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be typed. ?(BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!)You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility built into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands). ?Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and the like. ?(Again, I just tried this, too, and it works!)You might consider using either of these methods to create text strings for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic compounds ? go wild!). ?For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste Text box. ?(Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app the student will use for dictating the macros.)You might also consider using either approach with the math and science entry software by Efofex.com?? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX Equation. ?(FX ChemStruct?actually draws the chemical structures!) ?Again, you would need to first create individual speech macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the desired formulas, etc. ?(Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own unique entry methods.)Will this take some time and effort to set up? ?Of course. ?But depending on the complexity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework.Good luck!- Shelley _____________________________Shelley Haven ?ATP, RETAssistive Technology Consultantwww.TechPotential.net On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype wrote:Hi Jill et al ATHENites?Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software on their own or not.There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure.You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with Dragon NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!.?Here's a link to their website.?https://mathtalk.com/Wink HarnerSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Jill Heilman Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to assisting students with the dictation software.? I have a student who would like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework.? Does Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.??Appreciate any information you could?provide.Thanks,Jill-- Jill HeilmanAssociate DirectorAcademic Resource HubLafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall610-330-5071 ~?heilmanj@lafayette.edu _______________________________________________athen-list mailing listathen-list@mailman12.u.washington.eduhttp://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They are a non-traditional student and not very comfortable with computers... So I'm at a bit of a loss. Any ideas? Neal Sorensen Access Specialist Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: 507-389-5242 FAX: 507-389-1199 Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks and best regards, Jillian Jillian Pfau Collegewide Coordinator of Assistive Technology Disability Support Services Montgomery College Tel. 240-567-5224 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Thu Mar 14 10:07:40 2019 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Thu Mar 14 10:08:38 2019 Subject: [Athen] TTS for Algebra In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Neal, it's entirely possible that you could arrange with text help to get a free teacher's license ? it used to be free, in any case ? of Equatio for this purpose, at least for the purposes of testing whether or not it would work with web assign (I think it will), you could at the very least, petition for a free copy for your office & wherever the testing center is if that's where the test is being given. Or perhaps you could get one for the student who needs a copy of it to take a test online. Here's a link: https://www.texthelp.com/en-us/company/education-blog/november-2017/equatio-is-now-free-for-teachers/ Not to throw too many rocks in the road, but as far as I know, Equatio only works in Chrome, and WebAssign does not work in Chrome. Perhaps someone with more experience in the online testing environment has another workaround or suggestion. Wink Harner On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 5:53 AM Sorensen, Neal B wrote: > Hello all, > > > > I have a student who came to see me a while back who is struggling in a > developmental algebra course using WebAssign. They asked about > text-to-speech to use with homework and exams. I have seen Equatio in > action (thanks for Susan?s webinar), and have shown it around the office. > Right now we don?t have any licenses of that purchased, but we are > considering showing it to the math department to hopefully entice them into > buying it. Until then, I?m still stuck with a student who could use > mathematical TTS. Are there any other tools out there that this student > could use to read math on the WebAssign platform? > > I was considering Copy/Pasting LaTeX into CAR, but the student doesn?t > have a computer of their own to install it on. They are a non-traditional > student and not very comfortable with computers? So I?m at a bit of a loss. > Any ideas? > > > > Neal Sorensen > > Access Specialist > > Accessibility Resources > > Minnesota State University, Mankato > > 132 Memorial Library > > Mankato, MN 56001 > > > > Phone: 507-389-5242 > > FAX: 507-389-1199 > > Email: *neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu * > > > > [image: cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. 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There is a dictate feature and, if you dictate the equation in the manner in which the program expects it, it accurately inputs it into a Word document. Commonly-used equations can be inserted with just a click. On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 12:38 AM foreigntype wrote: > hi all > > When I said that I could provoke Dragon Naturally Speaking into doing > things it was not necessarily designed to do, let me clarify. I wrote > macros so that I could dictate Braille. I also wrote macros so I could > dictate physics, and chemistry. It is not for the faint of heart. It is > difficult and time- consuming, however beneficial in the long run! I > trained more than 900 macro commands to do alternative textbook conversion > for Kurzweil in physics and chemistry. > > I am the guru in the Windows operating system for Dragon Naturally > Speaking. Shelley knows a lot more about the Mac system. Between the two of > us we could probably figure this out for your student! > > Wink > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Shelley Haven > Date: 3/13/19 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: ATHEN > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > > Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-) > > As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor > do they sell it. However, if you already have or purchase their last > versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance, the > software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra), but > only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave). > > Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in > Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the Mac's > main menu bar). Specify the app in which your new commands will work (or > specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command > Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result. > That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of keystrokes > to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow. > > So for example, if I wanted to *type* the formula for sulfuric acid into > Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes: > H > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text) > 2 > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript) > S > O > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign > 4 > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign > > I could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and > every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be > typed. (BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!) > > You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility built > into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands). > Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then > select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve > previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and the > like. (Again, I just tried this, too, and it works!) > > You might consider using either of these methods to create text strings > for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and > formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic > compounds ? go wild!). For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it > easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with > subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste > Text box. (Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app the > student will use for dictating the macros.) > > You might also consider using either approach with the math and science > entry software by Efofex.com ? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX Equation. (FX > ChemStruct actually draws the > chemical structures!) Again, you would need to first create individual > speech macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the > desired formulas, etc. (Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own unique > entry methods.) > > Will this take some time and effort to set up? Of course. But depending > on the complexity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected > combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula > fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an > adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework. > > Good luck! > - Shelley > > _____________________________ > Shelley Haven ATP, RET > Assistive Technology Consultant > www.TechPotential.net > > > > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype wrote: > > Hi Jill et al ATHENites > > Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't know > if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software on > their own or not. > > There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force > Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but > dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure. > > You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see > how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with Dragon > NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!. Here's > a link to their website. > https://mathtalk.com/ > > Wink Harner > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Jill Heilman > Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to > assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who would > like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does > Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a > software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to > do Chemistry equations and Math Equations. > > Appreciate any information you could provide. > > Thanks, > Jill > -- > > Jill Heilman > > *Associate Director* > > *Academic Resource Hub* > > *Lafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall* > > *610-330-5071 ~ heilmanj@lafayette.edu * > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Thu Mar 14 10:16:15 2019 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Thu Mar 14 10:17:41 2019 Subject: [Athen] Dragon for Mac Message-ID: I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who also use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate? Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From CherniwchanL at macewan.ca Thu Mar 14 10:29:17 2019 From: CherniwchanL at macewan.ca (Liza Eldred) Date: Thu Mar 14 10:29:32 2019 Subject: [Athen] Dragon for Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, We are planning on using the built-in dictation feature in the Mac OS. The latest OS, Mojave, has the dictation settings under Keyboard ? Input, and in the Accessibility settings. The student would not have to setup a profile which will save time. We have not had a lot of time to play around with the features and functionality but are hoping that it will be a suitable replacement for Dragon Dictate. Our fingers are crossed! Thanks Liza Liza Eldred cherniwchanl@macewan.ca Assistive Technology Specialist Assistive Computer Technology Service Services to Students with Disabilities MacEwan University 7-198D-2, 10700 - 104 Avenue Edmonton, AB (780) 497-5826 Fax: 780-497-4018 www.macewan.ca This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:16 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Dragon for Mac I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who also use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate? Thanks, Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Thu Mar 14 10:59:22 2019 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Thu Mar 14 10:59:43 2019 Subject: [Athen] Dragon for Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah I hope so, too. I played around with the dictation features in Windows a couple of years back and found them to be far inferior to Dragon, as far as the accuracy in which it understood me. So hopefully Apple's is better. I'll need to find a way to get my hands on a modern Mac; I have an old Mac Mini from 2010 which I doubt will run Mojave. On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:34 PM Liza Eldred wrote: > Hi, > > > > We are planning on using the built-in dictation feature in the Mac OS. > > The latest OS, Mojave, has the dictation settings under Keyboard ? Input, > and in the Accessibility settings. > > The student would not have to setup a profile which will save time. > > We have not had a lot of time to play around with the features and > functionality but are hoping that it will be a suitable replacement for > Dragon Dictate. Our fingers are crossed! > > Thanks > > Liza > > > > *Liza Eldred* > > *cherniwchanl@macewan.ca * > > > *Assistive Technology Specialist **Assistive Computer Technology Service* > > *Services to Students with Disabilities* > > > *MacEwan University * > *7-198D-2, 10700 - 104 Avenue Edmonton, AB (780) 497-5826* > > > *Fax: 780-497-4018 **www.macewan.ca * > > > > *This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent > reply, should be deleted or destroyed. * > > > > *Please consider the environment before printing this email.* > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:16 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Dragon for Mac > > > > I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting > Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS > version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who also > use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks > planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate? > > > > Thanks, > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework (Jill Heilman) > 2. Re: Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework (foreigntype) > 3. Re: Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework (Shelley Haven) > 4. Re: Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework (foreigntype) > 5. TTS for Algebra (Sorensen, Neal B) > 6. Smartpens w/o mics (Pfau, Jillian) > 7. Re: TTS for Algebra (Wink Harner) > 8. Re: Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > (Robert Spangler) > 9. Dragon for Mac (Robert Spangler) > 10. Re: Dragon for Mac (Liza Eldred) > 11. Re: Dragon for Mac (Robert Spangler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 17:30:46 -0400 > From: Jill Heilman > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > Message-ID: > < > CALz1DUzKYUbgtS0MEzJ+6dmmPLS6F_1Ro+-p4rYuUHztHGHS2Q@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to > assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who would > like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does > Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a > software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to > do Chemistry equations and Math Equations. > > Appreciate any information you could provide. > > Thanks, > Jill > -- > > Jill Heilman > > *Associate Director* > > *Academic Resource Hub* > > *Lafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall* > > *610-330-5071 ~ heilmanj@lafayette.edu * > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190313/8de72c75/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 16:10:11 -0700 > From: foreigntype > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > Message-ID: <5c898d56.1c69fb81.e4192.d342@mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Jill et al ATHENites?Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon > Dictate for Mac. Don't know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably > robust dictation software on their own or not.There is a software combo > that works well for dictation in math. I force Dragon to do all kinds of > things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but dictating chemistry is not > on the "approved list" for sure.You might contact Nancilu McClellan at > Metroplex Voice Computing to see how feasible it would be to use Math Talk > & Scientific Notebook with Dragon NS. Only works on Windows as far as I > know. But it *might* work!.?Here's a link to their website.? > https://mathtalk.com/Wink HarnerSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Jill Heilman < > heilmanj@lafayette.edu> Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To: > athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for > Chemistry homework Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. > I am new to assisting students with the dictation software.? I have a > student who would like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry > homework.? Does Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry > equations or is there a software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for > MAC that allows you to do Chemistry equations and Math > Equations.??Appreciate any information you could?provide.Thanks,Jill-- Jill > HeilmanAssociate DirectorAcademic Resource HubLafayette College ~ 312 Scott > Hall610-330-5071 ~?heilmanj@lafayette.edu > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190313/ad647002/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 17:53:15 -0700 > From: Shelley Haven > To: ATHEN > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > Message-ID: <84922694-5F8D-42F6-AD9F-8B723B415374@techpotential.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-) > > As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor > do they sell it. However, if you already have or purchase their last > versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance, the > software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra), but > only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave). > > Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in > Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the Mac's > main menu bar). Specify the app in which your new commands will work (or > specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command > Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result. > That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of keystrokes > to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow. > > So for example, if I wanted to type the formula for sulfuric acid into > Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes: > H > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text) > 2 > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript) > S > O > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign > 4 > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign > > I could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and > every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be > typed. (BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!) > > You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility built > into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands). > Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then > select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve > previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and the > like. (Again, I just tried this, too, and it works!) > > You might consider using either of these methods to create text strings > for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and > formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic > compounds ? go wild!). For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it > easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with > subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste > Text box. (Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app the > student will use for dictating the macros.) > > You might also consider using either approach with the math and science > entry software by Efofex.com ? FX Chem, FX > ChemStruct, and FX Equation. (FX ChemStruct < > https://www.efofex.com/fxchemstruct.php> actually draws the chemical > structures!) Again, you would need to first create individual speech > macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the desired > formulas, etc. (Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own unique entry > methods.) > > Will this take some time and effort to set up? Of course. But depending > on the complexity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected > combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula > fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an > adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework. > > Good luck! > - Shelley > > _____________________________ > Shelley Haven ATP, RET > Assistive Technology Consultant > www.TechPotential.net > > > > > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype wrote: > > > > Hi Jill et al ATHENites > > > > Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't > know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software > on their own or not. > > > > There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force > Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but > dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure. > > > > You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see > how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with Dragon > NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!. Here's a > link to their website. > > https://mathtalk.com/ > > > > Wink Harner > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Jill Heilman > > Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) > > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > > > > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to > assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who would > like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does > Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a > software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to > do Chemistry equations and Math Equations. > > > > Appreciate any information you could provide. > > > > Thanks, > > Jill > > -- > > Jill Heilman > > > > Associate Director > > > > Academic Resource Hub > > > > Lafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall > > > > 610-330-5071 ~ heilmanj@lafayette.edu >_______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190313/36965ea1/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 21:37:01 -0700 > From: foreigntype > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > Message-ID: <5c89d9ef.1c69fb81.d991f.609e@mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > ?hi all??When I said that I could provoke Dragon Naturally Speaking into > doing things it was not necessarily designed to do, let me clarify. I wrote > macros so that I could dictate Braille. I also wrote macros so I could > dictate physics, and?chemistry. It is not for the faint of heart. It is > difficult and time- consuming, however beneficial in the long run! I > trained more than 900 macro commands to do alternative textbook conversion > for Kurzweil in physics and chemistry.I am the guru in the Windows > operating system for Dragon Naturally Speaking. Shelley knows a lot more > about the Mac system. Between the two of us we could probably figure this > out for your student!WinkSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Shelley Haven < > ShelleyHaven@techpotential.net> Date: 3/13/19 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00) To: > ATHEN Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate > for MAC for Chemistry homework Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly > full of ideas. ;-)As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon > Dictate for Mac, nor do they sell it. ?However, if you already have or > purchase their last versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates > provided by Nuance, the software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 > (Sierra & High Sierra), but only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 > (Mohave).Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation > macros in Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in > the Mac's main menu bar). ?Specify the app in which your new commands will > work (or specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the > Command Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a > result! > . ?That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of > keystrokes to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow.So for > example, if I wanted to type the formula for sulfuric acid into Apple > Pages, I would use the following keystrokes:HCmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get > subscripted text)2Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript)SOCmd-Ctrl-minus > sign4Cmd-Ctrl-minus signI could enter these keystrokes into a macro called > ?sulphuric acid?, and every time I spoke that phase, the > correctly-formatted formula would be typed. ?(BTW, I just tried this to > make sure it works ? it does!)You can take a similar approach with the > Dictation Commands utility built into macOS (System Preferences > > Accessibility > Dictation Commands). ?Click + to create a new command, name > the command (When I say:), then select Paste Text (under Perform:) and > paste a text string you?ve previously created in Pages, Word, etc., > complete with subscripts and the like. ?(Again, I just tried this, too, and > it w! > orks!)You might consider using either of these methods to crea! > te text strings for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used > molecules and formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, > other organic compounds ? go wild!). ?For the Dictation Commands approach, > I find it easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete > with subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the > Paste Text box. ?(Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same > app the student will use for dictating the macros.)You might also consider > using either approach with the math and science entry software by > Efofex.com?? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX Equation. ?(FX > ChemStruct?actually draws the chemical structures!) ?Again, you would need > to first create individual speech macros by entering the series of > keystrokes needed to type the desired formulas, etc. ?(Be aware that > Efofex?s tools use their own unique entry methods.)Will this take some time > and effort to set up? ?Of course. ?But depending on the compl! > exity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected > combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula > fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an > adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework.Good > luck!- Shelley > _____________________________Shelley Haven ?ATP, RETAssistive Technology > Consultantwww.TechPotential.net > > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype wrote:Hi > Jill et al ATHENites?Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate > for Mac. Don't know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust > dictation software on their own or not.There is a software combo that works > well for dictation in math. I force Dragon to do all kinds of things it > wasn't necessarily designed to do, but dictating chemistry is not on the > "approved list" for sure.You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex > Voice Computing to see how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & > Scientific Notebook with Dragon NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. > But it *might* work!.?Here's a link to their website.? > https://mathtalk.com/Wink HarnerSent from my Samsung Galaxy > smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Jill Heilman < > heilmanj@lafayette.edu> Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To: > athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for > Chemistry homewor! > k Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to > assisting students with the dictation software.? I have a student who would > like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework.? Does > Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a > software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to > do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.??Appreciate any information you > could?provide.Thanks,Jill-- Jill HeilmanAssociate DirectorAcademic Resource > HubLafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall610-330-5071 ~?heilmanj@lafayette.edu > _______________________________________________athen-list mailing > listathen-list@mailman12.u.washington.eduhttp:// > mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190313/9d5eba08/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 12:52:14 +0000 > From: "Sorensen, Neal B" > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] TTS for Algebra > Message-ID: > < > DM6PR10MB2635D4DBFFEC21C50D7DE524904B0@DM6PR10MB2635.namprd10.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello all, > > I have a student who came to see me a while back who is struggling in a > developmental algebra course using WebAssign. They asked about > text-to-speech to use with homework and exams. I have seen Equatio in > action (thanks for Susan's webinar), and have shown it around the office. > Right now we don't have any licenses of that purchased, but we are > considering showing it to the math department to hopefully entice them into > buying it. Until then, I'm still stuck with a student who could use > mathematical TTS. Are there any other tools out there that this student > could use to read math on the WebAssign platform? > > I was considering Copy/Pasting LaTeX into CAR, but the student doesn't > have a computer of their own to install it on. They are a non-traditional > student and not very comfortable with computers... So I'm at a bit of a > loss. Any ideas? > > Neal Sorensen > Access Specialist > Accessibility Resources > Minnesota State University, Mankato > 132 Memorial Library > Mankato, MN 56001 > > Phone: 507-389-5242 > FAX: 507-389-1199 > Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu > > [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in > error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the > sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/77ca6763/attachment-0001.html > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4084 bytes > Desc: image001.jpg > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/77ca6763/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 15:35:07 +0000 > From: "Pfau, Jillian" > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] Smartpens w/o mics > Message-ID: > < > BN7PR10MB2530DFB05804247E7B84B7AB914B0@BN7PR10MB2530.namprd10.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello all! > I'm reaching out to see if anyone has feedback on using the Livescribe 3- > or Aegir- model pens that do not have a microphone and require the use of a > iphone/android/ipad to record the audio portion. > Specifically, I'm curious if anyone is using these newer devices in a peer > notetaker/note sharing model and how that is working for you in regards to > the notetaker using his/her personal device or an equipment loan from DSS. > If you'd rather share your experience off the listserv my email is > jillian.pfau@montgomerycollege.edu jillian.pfau@montgomerycollege.edu>. > > Thanks and best regards, > Jillian > > > Jillian Pfau > Collegewide Coordinator of Assistive Technology > Disability Support Services > Montgomery College > Tel. 240-567-5224 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/7c4e28b0/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 10:07:40 -0700 > From: Wink Harner > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] TTS for Algebra > Message-ID: > sv8V-HtB_1wZJXks5ybYwJ+B722eYkNthBwLL_gFCJS-w@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Neal, > > it's entirely possible that you could arrange with text help to get a free > teacher's license ? it used to be free, in any case ? of Equatio for this > purpose, at least for the purposes of testing whether or not it would work > with web assign (I think it will), you could at the very least, petition > for a free copy for your office & wherever the testing center is if that's > where the test is being given. Or perhaps you could get one for the > student who needs a copy of it to take a test online. > > Here's a link: > > https://www.texthelp.com/en-us/company/education-blog/november-2017/equatio-is-now-free-for-teachers/ > > Not to throw too many rocks in the road, but as far as I know, Equatio only > works in Chrome, and WebAssign does not work in Chrome. Perhaps someone > with more experience in the online testing environment has > another workaround or suggestion. > > Wink Harner > > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 5:53 AM Sorensen, Neal B > wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > I have a student who came to see me a while back who is struggling in a > > developmental algebra course using WebAssign. They asked about > > text-to-speech to use with homework and exams. I have seen Equatio in > > action (thanks for Susan?s webinar), and have shown it around the office. > > Right now we don?t have any licenses of that purchased, but we are > > considering showing it to the math department to hopefully entice them > into > > buying it. Until then, I?m still stuck with a student who could use > > mathematical TTS. Are there any other tools out there that this student > > could use to read math on the WebAssign platform? > > > > I was considering Copy/Pasting LaTeX into CAR, but the student doesn?t > > have a computer of their own to install it on. They are a non-traditional > > student and not very comfortable with computers? So I?m at a bit of a > loss. > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > Neal Sorensen > > > > Access Specialist > > > > Accessibility Resources > > > > Minnesota State University, Mankato > > > > 132 Memorial Library > > > > Mankato, MN 56001 > > > > > > > > Phone: 507-389-5242 > > > > FAX: 507-389-1199 > > > > Email: *neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu * > > > > > > > > [image: cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, > is > > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain > confidential > > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > > distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in > > error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify > the > > sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/71f7ae86/attachment-0001.html > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4084 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/71f7ae86/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:15:00 -0400 > From: Robert Spangler > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > Message-ID: > jM7pMa5JPkhk_OJjw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello, I wonder if EquatIO from Texthelp would be useful in this case. We > just finished evaluating this software, since we have many students with > concussions or who break their dominant hand and who need to be able to > dictate temporarily. We found that it does have a bit of a learning curve, > especially if the student is not in a math-intensive major, but just > throwing it out there. I do recall seeing some chemistry equations in it. > There is a dictate feature and, if you dictate the equation in the manner > in which the program expects it, it accurately inputs it into a Word > document. Commonly-used equations can be inserted with just a click. > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 12:38 AM foreigntype > wrote: > > > hi all > > > > When I said that I could provoke Dragon Naturally Speaking into doing > > things it was not necessarily designed to do, let me clarify. I wrote > > macros so that I could dictate Braille. I also wrote macros so I could > > dictate physics, and chemistry. It is not for the faint of heart. It is > > difficult and time- consuming, however beneficial in the long run! I > > trained more than 900 macro commands to do alternative textbook > conversion > > for Kurzweil in physics and chemistry. > > > > I am the guru in the Windows operating system for Dragon Naturally > > Speaking. Shelley knows a lot more about the Mac system. Between the two > of > > us we could probably figure this out for your student! > > > > Wink > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Shelley Haven > > Date: 3/13/19 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00) > > To: ATHEN > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > > > > Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-) > > > > As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor > > do they sell it. However, if you already have or purchase their last > > versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance, the > > software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra), but > > only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave). > > > > Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in > > Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the Mac's > > main menu bar). Specify the app in which your new commands will work (or > > specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command > > Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result. > > That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of > keystrokes > > to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow. > > > > So for example, if I wanted to *type* the formula for sulfuric acid into > > Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes: > > H > > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text) > > 2 > > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript) > > S > > O > > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign > > 4 > > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign > > > > I could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and > > every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be > > typed. (BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!) > > > > You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility built > > into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands). > > Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then > > select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve > > previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and the > > like. (Again, I just tried this, too, and it works!) > > > > You might consider using either of these methods to create text strings > > for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and > > formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic > > compounds ? go wild!). For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it > > easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with > > subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste > > Text box. (Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app > the > > student will use for dictating the macros.) > > > > You might also consider using either approach with the math and science > > entry software by Efofex.com ? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX Equation. > (FX > > ChemStruct actually draws the > > chemical structures!) Again, you would need to first create individual > > speech macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the > > desired formulas, etc. (Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own > unique > > entry methods.) > > > > Will this take some time and effort to set up? Of course. But depending > > on the complexity of the chemistry course being taken, a > carefully-selected > > combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula > > fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an > > adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework. > > > > Good luck! > > - Shelley > > > > _____________________________ > > Shelley Haven ATP, RET > > Assistive Technology Consultant > > www.TechPotential.net > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype wrote: > > > > Hi Jill et al ATHENites > > > > Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't know > > if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software on > > their own or not. > > > > There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force > > Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, > but > > dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure. > > > > You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see > > how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with > Dragon > > NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!. Here's > > a link to their website. > > https://mathtalk.com/ > > > > Wink Harner > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Jill Heilman > > Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) > > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > > > > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to > > assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who > would > > like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does > > Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there > a > > software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you > to > > do Chemistry equations and Math Equations. > > > > Appreciate any information you could provide. > > > > Thanks, > > Jill > > -- > > > > Jill Heilman > > > > *Associate Director* > > > > *Academic Resource Hub* > > > > *Lafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall* > > > > *610-330-5071 ~ heilmanj@lafayette.edu * > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/eaff0d29/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:16:15 -0400 > From: Robert Spangler > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] Dragon for Mac > Message-ID: > < > CAA6y2T7dWGLqcc_+JWwSmcMC8DrNgvd21n3ChGt_k6ZAEgy2ZA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting > Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS > version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who also > use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks > planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate? > > Thanks, > Robert > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/db715a7e/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 17:29:17 +0000 > From: Liza Eldred > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon for Mac > Message-ID: > < > QB1PR01MB33959024D2A3FC3CC63858D7A04B0@QB1PR01MB3395.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi, > > We are planning on using the built-in dictation feature in the Mac OS. > The latest OS, Mojave, has the dictation settings under Keyboard ? Input, > and in the Accessibility settings. > The student would not have to setup a profile which will save time. > We have not had a lot of time to play around with the features and > functionality but are hoping that it will be a suitable replacement for > Dragon Dictate. Our fingers are crossed! > Thanks > Liza > > Liza Eldred > cherniwchanl@macewan.ca > Assistive Technology Specialist > Assistive Computer Technology Service > Services to Students with Disabilities > MacEwan University > 7-198D-2, 10700 - 104 Avenue > Edmonton, AB (780) 497-5826 > Fax: 780-497-4018 > www.macewan.ca > > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent > reply, should be deleted or destroyed. > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > > From: athen-list On > Behalf Of Robert Spangler > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:16 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: [Athen] Dragon for Mac > > I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting > Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS > version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who also > use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks > planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate? > > Thanks, > Robert > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/4d2d36a1/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:59:22 -0400 > From: Robert Spangler > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon for Mac > Message-ID: > M0aSCpkbpyTVdN_Sb6kf7WY5oDg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yeah I hope so, too. I played around with the dictation features in > Windows a couple of years back and found them to be far inferior to Dragon, > as far as the accuracy in which it understood me. So hopefully Apple's is > better. I'll need to find a way to get my hands on a modern Mac; I have an > old Mac Mini from 2010 which I doubt will run Mojave. > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:34 PM Liza Eldred > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > We are planning on using the built-in dictation feature in the Mac OS. > > > > The latest OS, Mojave, has the dictation settings under Keyboard ? Input, > > and in the Accessibility settings. > > > > The student would not have to setup a profile which will save time. > > > > We have not had a lot of time to play around with the features and > > functionality but are hoping that it will be a suitable replacement for > > Dragon Dictate. Our fingers are crossed! > > > > Thanks > > > > Liza > > > > > > > > *Liza Eldred* > > > > *cherniwchanl@macewan.ca * > > > > > > *Assistive Technology Specialist **Assistive Computer Technology Service* > > > > *Services to Students with Disabilities* > > > > > > *MacEwan University * > > *7-198D-2, 10700 - 104 Avenue Edmonton, AB (780) 497-5826* > > > > > > *Fax: 780-497-4018 **www.macewan.ca * > > > > > > > > *This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it > is > > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > > action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent > > reply, should be deleted or destroyed. * > > > > > > > > *Please consider the environment before printing this email.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > > *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:16 AM > > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > > *Subject:* [Athen] Dragon for Mac > > > > > > > > I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting > > Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS > > version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who > also > > use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks > > planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Robert Spangler > > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > > rspangler1@udayton.edu > > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of > hearing) > > > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. 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Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework (Jill Heilman) > 2. Re: Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework (foreigntype) > 3. Re: Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework (Shelley Haven) > 4. Re: Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework (foreigntype) > 5. TTS for Algebra (Sorensen, Neal B) > 6. Smartpens w/o mics (Pfau, Jillian) > 7. Re: TTS for Algebra (Wink Harner) > 8. Re: Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > (Robert Spangler) > 9. Dragon for Mac (Robert Spangler) > 10. Re: Dragon for Mac (Liza Eldred) > 11. Re: Dragon for Mac (Robert Spangler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 17:30:46 -0400 > From: Jill Heilman > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > Message-ID: > < > CALz1DUzKYUbgtS0MEzJ+6dmmPLS6F_1Ro+-p4rYuUHztHGHS2Q@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to > assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who would > like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does > Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a > software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to > do Chemistry equations and Math Equations. > > Appreciate any information you could provide. > > Thanks, > Jill > -- > > Jill Heilman > > *Associate Director* > > *Academic Resource Hub* > > *Lafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall* > > *610-330-5071 ~ heilmanj@lafayette.edu * > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190313/8de72c75/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 16:10:11 -0700 > From: foreigntype > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > Message-ID: <5c898d56.1c69fb81.e4192.d342@mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Jill et al ATHENites?Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon > Dictate for Mac. Don't know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably > robust dictation software on their own or not.There is a software combo > that works well for dictation in math. I force Dragon to do all kinds of > things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but dictating chemistry is not > on the "approved list" for sure.You might contact Nancilu McClellan at > Metroplex Voice Computing to see how feasible it would be to use Math Talk > & Scientific Notebook with Dragon NS. Only works on Windows as far as I > know. But it *might* work!.?Here's a link to their website.? > https://mathtalk.com/Wink HarnerSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Jill Heilman < > heilmanj@lafayette.edu> Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To: > athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for > Chemistry homework Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. > I am new to assisting students with the dictation software.? I have a > student who would like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry > homework.? Does Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry > equations or is there a software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for > MAC that allows you to do Chemistry equations and Math > Equations.??Appreciate any information you could?provide.Thanks,Jill-- Jill > HeilmanAssociate DirectorAcademic Resource HubLafayette College ~ 312 Scott > Hall610-330-5071 ~?heilmanj@lafayette.edu > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190313/ad647002/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 17:53:15 -0700 > From: Shelley Haven > To: ATHEN > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > Message-ID: <84922694-5F8D-42F6-AD9F-8B723B415374@techpotential.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-) > > As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor > do they sell it. However, if you already have or purchase their last > versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance, the > software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra), but > only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave). > > Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in > Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the Mac's > main menu bar). Specify the app in which your new commands will work (or > specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command > Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result. > That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of keystrokes > to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow. > > So for example, if I wanted to type the formula for sulfuric acid into > Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes: > H > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text) > 2 > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript) > S > O > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign > 4 > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign > > I could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and > every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be > typed. (BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!) > > You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility built > into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands). > Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then > select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve > previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and the > like. (Again, I just tried this, too, and it works!) > > You might consider using either of these methods to create text strings > for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and > formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic > compounds ? go wild!). For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it > easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with > subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste > Text box. (Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app the > student will use for dictating the macros.) > > You might also consider using either approach with the math and science > entry software by Efofex.com ? FX Chem, FX > ChemStruct, and FX Equation. (FX ChemStruct < > https://www.efofex.com/fxchemstruct.php> actually draws the chemical > structures!) Again, you would need to first create individual speech > macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the desired > formulas, etc. (Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own unique entry > methods.) > > Will this take some time and effort to set up? Of course. But depending > on the complexity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected > combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula > fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an > adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework. > > Good luck! > - Shelley > > _____________________________ > Shelley Haven ATP, RET > Assistive Technology Consultant > www.TechPotential.net > > > > > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype wrote: > > > > Hi Jill et al ATHENites > > > > Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't > know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software > on their own or not. > > > > There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force > Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but > dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure. > > > > You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see > how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with Dragon > NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!. Here's a > link to their website. > > https://mathtalk.com/ > > > > Wink Harner > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Jill Heilman > > Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) > > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > > > > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to > assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who would > like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does > Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a > software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to > do Chemistry equations and Math Equations. > > > > Appreciate any information you could provide. > > > > Thanks, > > Jill > > -- > > Jill Heilman > > > > Associate Director > > > > Academic Resource Hub > > > > Lafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall > > > > 610-330-5071 ~ heilmanj@lafayette.edu >_______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190313/36965ea1/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 21:37:01 -0700 > From: foreigntype > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > Message-ID: <5c89d9ef.1c69fb81.d991f.609e@mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > ?hi all??When I said that I could provoke Dragon Naturally Speaking into > doing things it was not necessarily designed to do, let me clarify. I wrote > macros so that I could dictate Braille. I also wrote macros so I could > dictate physics, and?chemistry. It is not for the faint of heart. It is > difficult and time- consuming, however beneficial in the long run! I > trained more than 900 macro commands to do alternative textbook conversion > for Kurzweil in physics and chemistry.I am the guru in the Windows > operating system for Dragon Naturally Speaking. Shelley knows a lot more > about the Mac system. Between the two of us we could probably figure this > out for your student!WinkSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Shelley Haven < > ShelleyHaven@techpotential.net> Date: 3/13/19 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00) To: > ATHEN Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate > for MAC for Chemistry homework Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly > full of ideas. ;-)As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon > Dictate for Mac, nor do they sell it. ?However, if you already have or > purchase their last versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates > provided by Nuance, the software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 > (Sierra & High Sierra), but only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 > (Mohave).Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation > macros in Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in > the Mac's main menu bar). ?Specify the app in which your new commands will > work (or specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the > Command Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a > result! > . ?That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of > keystrokes to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow.So for > example, if I wanted to type the formula for sulfuric acid into Apple > Pages, I would use the following keystrokes:HCmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get > subscripted text)2Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript)SOCmd-Ctrl-minus > sign4Cmd-Ctrl-minus signI could enter these keystrokes into a macro called > ?sulphuric acid?, and every time I spoke that phase, the > correctly-formatted formula would be typed. ?(BTW, I just tried this to > make sure it works ? it does!)You can take a similar approach with the > Dictation Commands utility built into macOS (System Preferences > > Accessibility > Dictation Commands). ?Click + to create a new command, name > the command (When I say:), then select Paste Text (under Perform:) and > paste a text string you?ve previously created in Pages, Word, etc., > complete with subscripts and the like. ?(Again, I just tried this, too, and > it w! > orks!)You might consider using either of these methods to crea! > te text strings for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used > molecules and formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, > other organic compounds ? go wild!). ?For the Dictation Commands approach, > I find it easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete > with subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the > Paste Text box. ?(Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same > app the student will use for dictating the macros.)You might also consider > using either approach with the math and science entry software by > Efofex.com?? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX Equation. ?(FX > ChemStruct?actually draws the chemical structures!) ?Again, you would need > to first create individual speech macros by entering the series of > keystrokes needed to type the desired formulas, etc. ?(Be aware that > Efofex?s tools use their own unique entry methods.)Will this take some time > and effort to set up? ?Of course. ?But depending on the compl! > exity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected > combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula > fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an > adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework.Good > luck!- Shelley > _____________________________Shelley Haven ?ATP, RETAssistive Technology > Consultantwww.TechPotential.net > > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype wrote:Hi > Jill et al ATHENites?Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate > for Mac. Don't know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust > dictation software on their own or not.There is a software combo that works > well for dictation in math. I force Dragon to do all kinds of things it > wasn't necessarily designed to do, but dictating chemistry is not on the > "approved list" for sure.You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex > Voice Computing to see how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & > Scientific Notebook with Dragon NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. > But it *might* work!.?Here's a link to their website.? > https://mathtalk.com/Wink HarnerSent from my Samsung Galaxy > smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Jill Heilman < > heilmanj@lafayette.edu> Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To: > athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for > Chemistry homewor! > k Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to > assisting students with the dictation software.? I have a student who would > like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework.? Does > Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a > software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to > do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.??Appreciate any information you > could?provide.Thanks,Jill-- Jill HeilmanAssociate DirectorAcademic Resource > HubLafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall610-330-5071 ~?heilmanj@lafayette.edu > _______________________________________________athen-list mailing > listathen-list@mailman12.u.washington.eduhttp:// > mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190313/9d5eba08/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 12:52:14 +0000 > From: "Sorensen, Neal B" > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] TTS for Algebra > Message-ID: > < > DM6PR10MB2635D4DBFFEC21C50D7DE524904B0@DM6PR10MB2635.namprd10.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello all, > > I have a student who came to see me a while back who is struggling in a > developmental algebra course using WebAssign. They asked about > text-to-speech to use with homework and exams. I have seen Equatio in > action (thanks for Susan's webinar), and have shown it around the office. > Right now we don't have any licenses of that purchased, but we are > considering showing it to the math department to hopefully entice them into > buying it. Until then, I'm still stuck with a student who could use > mathematical TTS. Are there any other tools out there that this student > could use to read math on the WebAssign platform? > > I was considering Copy/Pasting LaTeX into CAR, but the student doesn't > have a computer of their own to install it on. They are a non-traditional > student and not very comfortable with computers... So I'm at a bit of a > loss. Any ideas? > > Neal Sorensen > Access Specialist > Accessibility Resources > Minnesota State University, Mankato > 132 Memorial Library > Mankato, MN 56001 > > Phone: 507-389-5242 > FAX: 507-389-1199 > Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu > > [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in > error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the > sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/77ca6763/attachment-0001.html > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4084 bytes > Desc: image001.jpg > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/77ca6763/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 15:35:07 +0000 > From: "Pfau, Jillian" > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] Smartpens w/o mics > Message-ID: > < > BN7PR10MB2530DFB05804247E7B84B7AB914B0@BN7PR10MB2530.namprd10.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello all! > I'm reaching out to see if anyone has feedback on using the Livescribe 3- > or Aegir- model pens that do not have a microphone and require the use of a > iphone/android/ipad to record the audio portion. > Specifically, I'm curious if anyone is using these newer devices in a peer > notetaker/note sharing model and how that is working for you in regards to > the notetaker using his/her personal device or an equipment loan from DSS. > If you'd rather share your experience off the listserv my email is > jillian.pfau@montgomerycollege.edu jillian.pfau@montgomerycollege.edu>. > > Thanks and best regards, > Jillian > > > Jillian Pfau > Collegewide Coordinator of Assistive Technology > Disability Support Services > Montgomery College > Tel. 240-567-5224 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/7c4e28b0/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 10:07:40 -0700 > From: Wink Harner > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] TTS for Algebra > Message-ID: > sv8V-HtB_1wZJXks5ybYwJ+B722eYkNthBwLL_gFCJS-w@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Neal, > > it's entirely possible that you could arrange with text help to get a free > teacher's license ? it used to be free, in any case ? of Equatio for this > purpose, at least for the purposes of testing whether or not it would work > with web assign (I think it will), you could at the very least, petition > for a free copy for your office & wherever the testing center is if that's > where the test is being given. Or perhaps you could get one for the > student who needs a copy of it to take a test online. > > Here's a link: > > https://www.texthelp.com/en-us/company/education-blog/november-2017/equatio-is-now-free-for-teachers/ > > Not to throw too many rocks in the road, but as far as I know, Equatio only > works in Chrome, and WebAssign does not work in Chrome. Perhaps someone > with more experience in the online testing environment has > another workaround or suggestion. > > Wink Harner > > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 5:53 AM Sorensen, Neal B > wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > I have a student who came to see me a while back who is struggling in a > > developmental algebra course using WebAssign. They asked about > > text-to-speech to use with homework and exams. I have seen Equatio in > > action (thanks for Susan?s webinar), and have shown it around the office. > > Right now we don?t have any licenses of that purchased, but we are > > considering showing it to the math department to hopefully entice them > into > > buying it. Until then, I?m still stuck with a student who could use > > mathematical TTS. Are there any other tools out there that this student > > could use to read math on the WebAssign platform? > > > > I was considering Copy/Pasting LaTeX into CAR, but the student doesn?t > > have a computer of their own to install it on. They are a non-traditional > > student and not very comfortable with computers? So I?m at a bit of a > loss. > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > Neal Sorensen > > > > Access Specialist > > > > Accessibility Resources > > > > Minnesota State University, Mankato > > > > 132 Memorial Library > > > > Mankato, MN 56001 > > > > > > > > Phone: 507-389-5242 > > > > FAX: 507-389-1199 > > > > Email: *neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu * > > > > > > > > [image: cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, > is > > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain > confidential > > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > > distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in > > error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify > the > > sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/71f7ae86/attachment-0001.html > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4084 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/71f7ae86/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:15:00 -0400 > From: Robert Spangler > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > Message-ID: > jM7pMa5JPkhk_OJjw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello, I wonder if EquatIO from Texthelp would be useful in this case. We > just finished evaluating this software, since we have many students with > concussions or who break their dominant hand and who need to be able to > dictate temporarily. We found that it does have a bit of a learning curve, > especially if the student is not in a math-intensive major, but just > throwing it out there. I do recall seeing some chemistry equations in it. > There is a dictate feature and, if you dictate the equation in the manner > in which the program expects it, it accurately inputs it into a Word > document. Commonly-used equations can be inserted with just a click. > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 12:38 AM foreigntype > wrote: > > > hi all > > > > When I said that I could provoke Dragon Naturally Speaking into doing > > things it was not necessarily designed to do, let me clarify. I wrote > > macros so that I could dictate Braille. I also wrote macros so I could > > dictate physics, and chemistry. It is not for the faint of heart. It is > > difficult and time- consuming, however beneficial in the long run! I > > trained more than 900 macro commands to do alternative textbook > conversion > > for Kurzweil in physics and chemistry. > > > > I am the guru in the Windows operating system for Dragon Naturally > > Speaking. Shelley knows a lot more about the Mac system. Between the two > of > > us we could probably figure this out for your student! > > > > Wink > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Shelley Haven > > Date: 3/13/19 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00) > > To: ATHEN > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > > > > Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-) > > > > As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor > > do they sell it. However, if you already have or purchase their last > > versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance, the > > software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra), but > > only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave). > > > > Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in > > Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the Mac's > > main menu bar). Specify the app in which your new commands will work (or > > specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command > > Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result. > > That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of > keystrokes > > to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow. > > > > So for example, if I wanted to *type* the formula for sulfuric acid into > > Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes: > > H > > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text) > > 2 > > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript) > > S > > O > > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign > > 4 > > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign > > > > I could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and > > every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be > > typed. (BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!) > > > > You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility built > > into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands). > > Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then > > select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve > > previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and the > > like. (Again, I just tried this, too, and it works!) > > > > You might consider using either of these methods to create text strings > > for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and > > formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic > > compounds ? go wild!). For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it > > easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with > > subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste > > Text box. (Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app > the > > student will use for dictating the macros.) > > > > You might also consider using either approach with the math and science > > entry software by Efofex.com ? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX Equation. > (FX > > ChemStruct actually draws the > > chemical structures!) Again, you would need to first create individual > > speech macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the > > desired formulas, etc. (Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own > unique > > entry methods.) > > > > Will this take some time and effort to set up? Of course. But depending > > on the complexity of the chemistry course being taken, a > carefully-selected > > combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula > > fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an > > adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework. > > > > Good luck! > > - Shelley > > > > _____________________________ > > Shelley Haven ATP, RET > > Assistive Technology Consultant > > www.TechPotential.net > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype wrote: > > > > Hi Jill et al ATHENites > > > > Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't know > > if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software on > > their own or not. > > > > There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force > > Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, > but > > dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure. > > > > You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see > > how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with > Dragon > > NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!. Here's > > a link to their website. > > https://mathtalk.com/ > > > > Wink Harner > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Jill Heilman > > Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) > > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > > > > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to > > assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who > would > > like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does > > Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there > a > > software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you > to > > do Chemistry equations and Math Equations. > > > > Appreciate any information you could provide. > > > > Thanks, > > Jill > > -- > > > > Jill Heilman > > > > *Associate Director* > > > > *Academic Resource Hub* > > > > *Lafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall* > > > > *610-330-5071 ~ heilmanj@lafayette.edu * > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/eaff0d29/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:16:15 -0400 > From: Robert Spangler > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] Dragon for Mac > Message-ID: > < > CAA6y2T7dWGLqcc_+JWwSmcMC8DrNgvd21n3ChGt_k6ZAEgy2ZA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting > Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS > version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who also > use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks > planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate? > > Thanks, > Robert > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/db715a7e/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 17:29:17 +0000 > From: Liza Eldred > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon for Mac > Message-ID: > < > QB1PR01MB33959024D2A3FC3CC63858D7A04B0@QB1PR01MB3395.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi, > > We are planning on using the built-in dictation feature in the Mac OS. > The latest OS, Mojave, has the dictation settings under Keyboard ? Input, > and in the Accessibility settings. > The student would not have to setup a profile which will save time. > We have not had a lot of time to play around with the features and > functionality but are hoping that it will be a suitable replacement for > Dragon Dictate. Our fingers are crossed! > Thanks > Liza > > Liza Eldred > cherniwchanl@macewan.ca > Assistive Technology Specialist > Assistive Computer Technology Service > Services to Students with Disabilities > MacEwan University > 7-198D-2, 10700 - 104 Avenue > Edmonton, AB (780) 497-5826 > Fax: 780-497-4018 > www.macewan.ca > > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent > reply, should be deleted or destroyed. > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > > From: athen-list On > Behalf Of Robert Spangler > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:16 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: [Athen] Dragon for Mac > > I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting > Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS > version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who also > use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks > planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate? > > Thanks, > Robert > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/4d2d36a1/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:59:22 -0400 > From: Robert Spangler > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon for Mac > Message-ID: > M0aSCpkbpyTVdN_Sb6kf7WY5oDg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yeah I hope so, too. I played around with the dictation features in > Windows a couple of years back and found them to be far inferior to Dragon, > as far as the accuracy in which it understood me. So hopefully Apple's is > better. I'll need to find a way to get my hands on a modern Mac; I have an > old Mac Mini from 2010 which I doubt will run Mojave. > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:34 PM Liza Eldred > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > We are planning on using the built-in dictation feature in the Mac OS. > > > > The latest OS, Mojave, has the dictation settings under Keyboard ? Input, > > and in the Accessibility settings. > > > > The student would not have to setup a profile which will save time. > > > > We have not had a lot of time to play around with the features and > > functionality but are hoping that it will be a suitable replacement for > > Dragon Dictate. Our fingers are crossed! > > > > Thanks > > > > Liza > > > > > > > > *Liza Eldred* > > > > *cherniwchanl@macewan.ca * > > > > > > *Assistive Technology Specialist **Assistive Computer Technology Service* > > > > *Services to Students with Disabilities* > > > > > > *MacEwan University * > > *7-198D-2, 10700 - 104 Avenue Edmonton, AB (780) 497-5826* > > > > > > *Fax: 780-497-4018 **www.macewan.ca * > > > > > > > > *This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it > is > > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > > action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent > > reply, should be deleted or destroyed. * > > > > > > > > *Please consider the environment before printing this email.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > > *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:16 AM > > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > > *Subject:* [Athen] Dragon for Mac > > > > > > > > I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting > > Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS > > version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who > also > > use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks > > planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Robert Spangler > > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > > rspangler1@udayton.edu > > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of > hearing) > > > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. 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URL: From ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net Thu Mar 14 14:01:15 2019 From: ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net (Shelley Haven) Date: Thu Mar 14 14:01:40 2019 Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC and Microsoft's MathType In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Jill! > Has anyone used Microsoft Word - MathType with dictation? I have. To make it work, I used the same macro-creation strategies I outlined earlier for Dragon for Mac and the macOS Dictation Commands. MathType (whether used with Word or oodles of other apps) has the advantage that all of its symbols and templates (i.e., arrangements of symbols, like fractions or integrals) have keyboard equivalents, which makes creating macros simpler. On the flip side, one still has to create lots of macros ? each number, letter, Greek letter, operand, types of brackets, relative arrangement of symbols (including super/subscripts, over/underbars, cross-outs, etc. etc.) ? that?s a lot of work! I went down this path (Dragon for Mac + MathType) for a college student using a Mac for a while, but we ultimately decided the better option was to use MathTalk (which Wink mentioned) in Windows running as a virtual machine on the student?s Mac via VMware Fusion or Parallels Desktop. (This student was doing triple-integral calculus, so MathTalk + VMware was definitely the more elegant solution.) Also worth noting: Design Science?s MathType was acquired last year by WIRIS which already had its own ?WIRIS Editor? online math tool that works with Google Docs. The company renamed their WIRIS Editor ?MathType Web? even though it looks and works differently from MathType Desktop, which is based on Design Science?s MathType. My comments above refer to WIRIS?s MathType Desktop, not MathType Web. WIRIS also offers a MathType Add-On for Microsoft Office, but it looks and works like their MathType Web. Hope this helps, Shelley _____________________________ Shelley Haven ATP, RET Assistive Technology Consultant www.TechPotential.net > On Mar 14, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Jill Heilman wrote: > > Follow up questions: > > Has anyone used Microsoft Word - MathType with dictation? > > Thanks, > Jill > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 3:09 PM > wrote: > Send athen-list mailing list submissions to > athen-list@u.washington.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-list-request@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-list-owner@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework (Jill Heilman) > 2. Re: Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework (foreigntype) > 3. Re: Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework (Shelley Haven) > 4. Re: Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework (foreigntype) > 5. TTS for Algebra (Sorensen, Neal B) > 6. Smartpens w/o mics (Pfau, Jillian) > 7. Re: TTS for Algebra (Wink Harner) > 8. Re: Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > (Robert Spangler) > 9. Dragon for Mac (Robert Spangler) > 10. Re: Dragon for Mac (Liza Eldred) > 11. Re: Dragon for Mac (Robert Spangler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 17:30:46 -0400 > From: Jill Heilman > > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to > assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who would > like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does > Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a > software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to > do Chemistry equations and Math Equations. > > Appreciate any information you could provide. > > Thanks, > Jill > -- > > Jill Heilman > > *Associate Director* > > *Academic Resource Hub* > > *Lafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall* > > *610-330-5071 ~ heilmanj@lafayette.edu >* > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 16:10:11 -0700 > From: foreigntype > > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > Message-ID: <5c898d56.1c69fb81.e4192.d342@mx.google.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Jill et al ATHENites?Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software on their own or not.There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure.You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with Dragon NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!.?Here's a link to their website.?https://mathtalk.com/Wink HarnerSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Jill Heilman > Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to assisting students with the dictation software.? I have a student who would like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework.? Does Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.??Appreciate any information you could?provide.Thanks,Jill-- Jill HeilmanAssociate DirectorAcademic Resource HubLafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall610-330-5071 ~?heilmanj@lafayette.edu > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 17:53:15 -0700 > From: Shelley Haven > > To: ATHEN > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > Message-ID: <84922694-5F8D-42F6-AD9F-8B723B415374@techpotential.net > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-) > > As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor do they sell it. However, if you already have or purchase their last versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance, the software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra), but only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave). > > Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the Mac's main menu bar). Specify the app in which your new commands will work (or specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result. That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of keystrokes to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow. > > So for example, if I wanted to type the formula for sulfuric acid into Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes: > H > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text) > 2 > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript) > S > O > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign > 4 > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign > > I could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be typed. (BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!) > > You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility built into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands). Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and the like. (Again, I just tried this, too, and it works!) > > You might consider using either of these methods to create text strings for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic compounds ? go wild!). For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste Text box. (Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app the student will use for dictating the macros.) > > You might also consider using either approach with the math and science entry software by Efofex.com > ? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX Equation. (FX ChemStruct > actually draws the chemical structures!) Again, you would need to first create individual speech macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the desired formulas, etc. (Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own unique entry methods.) > > Will this take some time and effort to set up? Of course. But depending on the complexity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework. > > Good luck! > - Shelley > > _____________________________ > Shelley Haven ATP, RET > Assistive Technology Consultant > www.TechPotential.net > > > > > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype > wrote: > > > > Hi Jill et al ATHENites > > > > Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software on their own or not. > > > > There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure. > > > > You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with Dragon NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!. Here's a link to their website. > > https://mathtalk.com/ > > > > Wink Harner > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Jill Heilman > > > Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) > > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > > > > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who would like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to do Chemistry equations and Math Equations. > > > > Appreciate any information you could provide. > > > > Thanks, > > Jill > > -- > > Jill Heilman > > > > Associate Director > > > > Academic Resource Hub > > > > Lafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall > > > > 610-330-5071 ~ heilmanj@lafayette.edu >_______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 21:37:01 -0700 > From: foreigntype > > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > Message-ID: <5c89d9ef.1c69fb81.d991f.609e@mx.google.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > ?hi all??When I said that I could provoke Dragon Naturally Speaking into doing things it was not necessarily designed to do, let me clarify. I wrote macros so that I could dictate Braille. I also wrote macros so I could dictate physics, and?chemistry. It is not for the faint of heart. It is difficult and time- consuming, however beneficial in the long run! I trained more than 900 macro commands to do alternative textbook conversion for Kurzweil in physics and chemistry.I am the guru in the Windows operating system for Dragon Naturally Speaking. Shelley knows a lot more about the Mac system. Between the two of us we could probably figure this out for your student!WinkSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Shelley Haven > Date: 3/13/19 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00) To: ATHEN > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-)As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor do they sell it. ?However, if you already have or purchase their last versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance, the software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra), but only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave).Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the Mac's main menu bar). ?Specify the app in which your new commands will work (or specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result! > . ?That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of keystrokes to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow.So for example, if I wanted to type the formula for sulfuric acid into Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes:HCmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text)2Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript)SOCmd-Ctrl-minus sign4Cmd-Ctrl-minus signI could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be typed. ?(BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!)You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility built into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands). ?Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and the like. ?(Again, I just tried this, too, and it w! > orks!)You might consider using either of these methods to crea! > te text strings for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic compounds ? go wild!). ?For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste Text box. ?(Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app the student will use for dictating the macros.)You might also consider using either approach with the math and science entry software by Efofex.com?? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX Equation. ?(FX ChemStruct?actually draws the chemical structures!) ?Again, you would need to first create individual speech macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the desired formulas, etc. ?(Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own unique entry methods.)Will this take some time and effort to set up? ?Of course. ?But depending on the compl! > exity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework.Good luck!- Shelley > _____________________________Shelley Haven ?ATP, RETAssistive Technology Consultantwww.TechPotential.net > > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype > wrote:Hi Jill et al ATHENites?Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software on their own or not.There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure.You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with Dragon NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!.?Here's a link to their website.?https://mathtalk.com/Wink HarnerSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Jill Heilman > Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homewor! > k Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to assisting students with the dictation software.? I have a student who would like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework.? Does Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.??Appreciate any information you could?provide.Thanks,Jill-- Jill HeilmanAssociate DirectorAcademic Resource HubLafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall610-330-5071 ~?heilmanj@lafayette.edu > _______________________________________________athen-list mailing listathen-list@mailman12.u.washington.eduhttp://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 12:52:14 +0000 > From: "Sorensen, Neal B" > > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > > Subject: [Athen] TTS for Algebra > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello all, > > I have a student who came to see me a while back who is struggling in a developmental algebra course using WebAssign. They asked about text-to-speech to use with homework and exams. I have seen Equatio in action (thanks for Susan's webinar), and have shown it around the office. Right now we don't have any licenses of that purchased, but we are considering showing it to the math department to hopefully entice them into buying it. Until then, I'm still stuck with a student who could use mathematical TTS. Are there any other tools out there that this student could use to read math on the WebAssign platform? > > I was considering Copy/Pasting LaTeX into CAR, but the student doesn't have a computer of their own to install it on. They are a non-traditional student and not very comfortable with computers... So I'm at a bit of a loss. Any ideas? > > Neal Sorensen > Access Specialist > Accessibility Resources > Minnesota State University, Mankato > 132 Memorial Library > Mankato, MN 56001 > > Phone: 507-389-5242 > FAX: 507-389-1199 > Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu > > > [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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If you'd rather share your experience off the listserv my email is jillian.pfau@montgomerycollege.edu >. > > Thanks and best regards, > Jillian > > > Jillian Pfau > Collegewide Coordinator of Assistive Technology > Disability Support Services > Montgomery College> > Tel. 240-567-5224 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 10:07:40 -0700 > From: Wink Harner > > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > > Subject: Re: [Athen] TTS for Algebra > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Neal, > > it's entirely possible that you could arrange with text help to get a free > teacher's license ? it used to be free, in any case ? of Equatio for this > purpose, at least for the purposes of testing whether or not it would work > with web assign (I think it will), you could at the very least, petition > for a free copy for your office & wherever the testing center is if that's > where the test is being given. Or perhaps you could get one for the > student who needs a copy of it to take a test online. > > Here's a link: > https://www.texthelp.com/en-us/company/education-blog/november-2017/equatio-is-now-free-for-teachers/ > > Not to throw too many rocks in the road, but as far as I know, Equatio only > works in Chrome, and WebAssign does not work in Chrome. Perhaps someone > with more experience in the online testing environment has > another workaround or suggestion. > > Wink Harner > > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 5:53 AM Sorensen, Neal B > > wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > I have a student who came to see me a while back who is struggling in a > > developmental algebra course using WebAssign. They asked about > > text-to-speech to use with homework and exams. I have seen Equatio in > > action (thanks for Susan?s webinar), and have shown it around the office. > > Right now we don?t have any licenses of that purchased, but we are > > considering showing it to the math department to hopefully entice them into > > buying it. Until then, I?m still stuck with a student who could use > > mathematical TTS. Are there any other tools out there that this student > > could use to read math on the WebAssign platform? > > > > I was considering Copy/Pasting LaTeX into CAR, but the student doesn?t > > have a computer of their own to install it on. They are a non-traditional > > student and not very comfortable with computers? So I?m at a bit of a loss. > > Any ideas? > > > > > > > > Neal Sorensen > > > > Access Specialist > > > > Accessibility Resources > > > > Minnesota State University, Mankato > > > > 132 Memorial Library > > > > Mankato, MN 56001 > > > > > > > > Phone: 507-389-5242 > > > > FAX: 507-389-1199 > > > > Email: *neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu >* > > > > > > > > [image: cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is > > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential > > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > > distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in > > error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the > > sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4084 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:15:00 -0400 > From: Robert Spangler > > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello, I wonder if EquatIO from Texthelp would be useful in this case. We > just finished evaluating this software, since we have many students with > concussions or who break their dominant hand and who need to be able to > dictate temporarily. We found that it does have a bit of a learning curve, > especially if the student is not in a math-intensive major, but just > throwing it out there. I do recall seeing some chemistry equations in it. > There is a dictate feature and, if you dictate the equation in the manner > in which the program expects it, it accurately inputs it into a Word > document. Commonly-used equations can be inserted with just a click. > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 12:38 AM foreigntype > wrote: > > > hi all > > > > When I said that I could provoke Dragon Naturally Speaking into doing > > things it was not necessarily designed to do, let me clarify. I wrote > > macros so that I could dictate Braille. I also wrote macros so I could > > dictate physics, and chemistry. It is not for the faint of heart. It is > > difficult and time- consuming, however beneficial in the long run! I > > trained more than 900 macro commands to do alternative textbook conversion > > for Kurzweil in physics and chemistry. > > > > I am the guru in the Windows operating system for Dragon Naturally > > Speaking. Shelley knows a lot more about the Mac system. Between the two of > > us we could probably figure this out for your student! > > > > Wink > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Shelley Haven > > > Date: 3/13/19 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00) > > To: ATHEN > > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > > > > Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-) > > > > As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor > > do they sell it. However, if you already have or purchase their last > > versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance, the > > software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra), but > > only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave). > > > > Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in > > Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the Mac's > > main menu bar). Specify the app in which your new commands will work (or > > specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command > > Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result. > > That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of keystrokes > > to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow. > > > > So for example, if I wanted to *type* the formula for sulfuric acid into > > Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes: > > H > > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text) > > 2 > > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript) > > S > > O > > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign > > 4 > > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign > > > > I could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and > > every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be > > typed. (BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!) > > > > You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility built > > into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands). > > Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then > > select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve > > previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and the > > like. (Again, I just tried this, too, and it works!) > > > > You might consider using either of these methods to create text strings > > for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and > > formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic > > compounds ? go wild!). For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it > > easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with > > subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste > > Text box. (Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app the > > student will use for dictating the macros.) > > > > You might also consider using either approach with the math and science > > entry software by Efofex.com ? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX Equation. (FX > > ChemStruct > actually draws the > > chemical structures!) Again, you would need to first create individual > > speech macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the > > desired formulas, etc. (Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own unique > > entry methods.) > > > > Will this take some time and effort to set up? Of course. But depending > > on the complexity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected > > combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula > > fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an > > adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework. > > > > Good luck! > > - Shelley > > > > _____________________________ > > Shelley Haven ATP, RET > > Assistive Technology Consultant > > www.TechPotential.net > > > > > > > > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype > wrote: > > > > Hi Jill et al ATHENites > > > > Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't know > > if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software on > > their own or not. > > > > There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force > > Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but > > dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure. > > > > You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see > > how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with Dragon > > NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!. Here's > > a link to their website. > > https://mathtalk.com/ > > > > Wink Harner > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Jill Heilman > > > Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) > > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework > > > > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to > > assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who would > > like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does > > Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a > > software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to > > do Chemistry equations and Math Equations. > > > > Appreciate any information you could provide. > > > > Thanks, > > Jill > > -- > > > > Jill Heilman > > > > *Associate Director* > > > > *Academic Resource Hub* > > > > *Lafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall* > > > > *610-330-5071 ~ heilmanj@lafayette.edu >* > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:16:15 -0400 > From: Robert Spangler > > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > > Subject: [Athen] Dragon for Mac > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting > Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS > version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who also > use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks > planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate? > > Thanks, > Robert > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 17:29:17 +0000 > From: Liza Eldred > > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon for Mac > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi, > > We are planning on using the built-in dictation feature in the Mac OS. > The latest OS, Mojave, has the dictation settings under Keyboard ? Input, and in the Accessibility settings. > The student would not have to setup a profile which will save time. > We have not had a lot of time to play around with the features and functionality but are hoping that it will be a suitable replacement for Dragon Dictate. Our fingers are crossed! > Thanks > Liza > > Liza Eldred > cherniwchanl@macewan.ca > Assistive Technology Specialist > Assistive Computer Technology Service > Services to Students with Disabilities > MacEwan University > 7-198D-2, 10700 - 104 Avenue > Edmonton, AB (780) 497-5826 > Fax: 780-497-4018 > www.macewan.ca > > This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should be deleted or destroyed. > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > > From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Robert Spangler > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:16 AM > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: [Athen] Dragon for Mac > > I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who also use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate? > > Thanks, > Robert > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > Fax: 937-229-3270 > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:59:22 -0400 > From: Robert Spangler > > To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > > > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon for Mac > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yeah I hope so, too. I played around with the dictation features in > Windows a couple of years back and found them to be far inferior to Dragon, > as far as the accuracy in which it understood me. So hopefully Apple's is > better. I'll need to find a way to get my hands on a modern Mac; I have an > old Mac Mini from 2010 which I doubt will run Mojave. > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:34 PM Liza Eldred > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > We are planning on using the built-in dictation feature in the Mac OS. > > > > The latest OS, Mojave, has the dictation settings under Keyboard ? Input, > > and in the Accessibility settings. > > > > The student would not have to setup a profile which will save time. > > > > We have not had a lot of time to play around with the features and > > functionality but are hoping that it will be a suitable replacement for > > Dragon Dictate. Our fingers are crossed! > > > > Thanks > > > > Liza > > > > > > > > *Liza Eldred* > > > > *cherniwchanl@macewan.ca >* > > > > > > *Assistive Technology Specialist **Assistive Computer Technology Service* > > > > *Services to Students with Disabilities* > > > > > > *MacEwan University * > > *7-198D-2, 10700 - 104 Avenue Edmonton, AB (780) 497-5826* > > > > > > *Fax: 780-497-4018 **www.macewan.ca >* > > > > > > > > *This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is > > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged > > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended > > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take > > action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent > > reply, should be deleted or destroyed. * > > > > > > > > *Please consider the environment before printing this email.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list > *On > > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > > *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:16 AM > > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > > athen-list@u.washington.edu > > > *Subject:* [Athen] Dragon for Mac > > > > > > > > I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting > > Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS > > version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who also > > use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks > > planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Robert Spangler > > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > > rspangler1@udayton.edu > > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. 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URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Thu Mar 14 15:24:26 2019 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Thu Mar 14 15:26:09 2019 Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC and Microsoft's MathType In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jill et al, MathType and dictation (with Dragon) does not work together. The programs that produce dictated math must be used as a package, and the only substitution is that if you already own a copy of Dragon NS 15.0 + professional. Otherwise one can purchase all three as a package from Metroplex Voice Computing: https://mathtalk.com/ The combo package is: MathTalk, Scientific Notebook and Dragon NaturallySpeaking. You dictate into Microsoft Word in a WIN OS. It is unbeatable in terms of ease of use and quality of output. Wink Harner Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:16 PM Jill Heilman wrote: > Follow up questions: > > Has anyone used Microsoft Word - MathType with dictation? > > Thanks, > Jill > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 3:09 PM < > athen-list-request@mailman12.u.washington.edu> wrote: > >> Send athen-list mailing list submissions to >> athen-list@u.washington.edu >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> athen-list-request@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> athen-list-owner@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework (Jill Heilman) >> 2. Re: Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework (foreigntype) >> 3. Re: Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework (Shelley Haven) >> 4. Re: Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework (foreigntype) >> 5. TTS for Algebra (Sorensen, Neal B) >> 6. Smartpens w/o mics (Pfau, Jillian) >> 7. Re: TTS for Algebra (Wink Harner) >> 8. Re: Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework >> (Robert Spangler) >> 9. Dragon for Mac (Robert Spangler) >> 10. Re: Dragon for Mac (Liza Eldred) >> 11. Re: Dragon for Mac (Robert Spangler) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 17:30:46 -0400 >> From: Jill Heilman >> To: athen-list@u.washington.edu >> Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework >> Message-ID: >> < >> CALz1DUzKYUbgtS0MEzJ+6dmmPLS6F_1Ro+-p4rYuUHztHGHS2Q@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to >> assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who >> would >> like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does >> Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a >> software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to >> do Chemistry equations and Math Equations. >> >> Appreciate any information you could provide. >> >> Thanks, >> Jill >> -- >> >> Jill Heilman >> >> *Associate Director* >> >> *Academic Resource Hub* >> >> *Lafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall* >> >> *610-330-5071 ~ heilmanj@lafayette.edu * >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190313/8de72c75/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 16:10:11 -0700 >> From: foreigntype >> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> >> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework >> Message-ID: <5c898d56.1c69fb81.e4192.d342@mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi Jill et al ATHENites?Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon >> Dictate for Mac. Don't know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably >> robust dictation software on their own or not.There is a software combo >> that works well for dictation in math. I force Dragon to do all kinds of >> things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but dictating chemistry is not >> on the "approved list" for sure.You might contact Nancilu McClellan at >> Metroplex Voice Computing to see how feasible it would be to use Math Talk >> & Scientific Notebook with Dragon NS. Only works on Windows as far as I >> know. But it *might* work!.?Here's a link to their website.? >> https://mathtalk.com/Wink HarnerSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> -------- Original message --------From: Jill Heilman < >> heilmanj@lafayette.edu> Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To: >> athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for >> Chemistry homework Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. >> I am new to assisting students with the dictation software.? I have a >> student who would like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry >> homework.? Does Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry >> equations or is there a software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for >> MAC that allows you to do Chemistry equations and Math >> Equations.??Appreciate any information you could?provide.Thanks,Jill-- Jill >> HeilmanAssociate DirectorAcademic Resource HubLafayette College ~ 312 Scott >> Hall610-330-5071 ~?heilmanj@lafayette.edu >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190313/ad647002/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 17:53:15 -0700 >> From: Shelley Haven >> To: ATHEN >> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework >> Message-ID: <84922694-5F8D-42F6-AD9F-8B723B415374@techpotential.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-) >> >> As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor >> do they sell it. However, if you already have or purchase their last >> versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance, the >> software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra), but >> only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave). >> >> Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in >> Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the Mac's >> main menu bar). Specify the app in which your new commands will work (or >> specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command >> Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result. >> That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of keystrokes >> to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow. >> >> So for example, if I wanted to type the formula for sulfuric acid into >> Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes: >> H >> Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text) >> 2 >> Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript) >> S >> O >> Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign >> 4 >> Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign >> >> I could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and >> every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be >> typed. (BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!) >> >> You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility built >> into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands). >> Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then >> select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve >> previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and the >> like. (Again, I just tried this, too, and it works!) >> >> You might consider using either of these methods to create text strings >> for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and >> formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic >> compounds ? go wild!). For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it >> easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with >> subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste >> Text box. (Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app the >> student will use for dictating the macros.) >> >> You might also consider using either approach with the math and science >> entry software by Efofex.com ? FX Chem, FX >> ChemStruct, and FX Equation. (FX ChemStruct < >> https://www.efofex.com/fxchemstruct.php> actually draws the chemical >> structures!) Again, you would need to first create individual speech >> macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the desired >> formulas, etc. (Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own unique entry >> methods.) >> >> Will this take some time and effort to set up? Of course. But depending >> on the complexity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected >> combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula >> fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an >> adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework. >> >> Good luck! >> - Shelley >> >> _____________________________ >> Shelley Haven ATP, RET >> Assistive Technology Consultant >> www.TechPotential.net >> >> >> >> > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype wrote: >> > >> > Hi Jill et al ATHENites >> > >> > Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't >> know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software >> on their own or not. >> > >> > There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I >> force Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to >> do, but dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure. >> > >> > You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see >> how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with Dragon >> NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!. Here's a >> link to their website. >> > https://mathtalk.com/ >> > >> > Wink Harner >> > >> > >> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> > >> > -------- Original message -------- >> > From: Jill Heilman >> > Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) >> > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu >> > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework >> > >> > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to >> assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who would >> like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does >> Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a >> software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to >> do Chemistry equations and Math Equations. >> > >> > Appreciate any information you could provide. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Jill >> > -- >> > Jill Heilman >> > >> > Associate Director >> > >> > Academic Resource Hub >> > >> > Lafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall >> > >> > 610-330-5071 ~ heilmanj@lafayette.edu > >_______________________________________________ >> > athen-list mailing list >> > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190313/36965ea1/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 21:37:01 -0700 >> From: foreigntype >> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> >> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework >> Message-ID: <5c89d9ef.1c69fb81.d991f.609e@mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> ?hi all??When I said that I could provoke Dragon Naturally Speaking into >> doing things it was not necessarily designed to do, let me clarify. I wrote >> macros so that I could dictate Braille. I also wrote macros so I could >> dictate physics, and?chemistry. It is not for the faint of heart. It is >> difficult and time- consuming, however beneficial in the long run! I >> trained more than 900 macro commands to do alternative textbook conversion >> for Kurzweil in physics and chemistry.I am the guru in the Windows >> operating system for Dragon Naturally Speaking. Shelley knows a lot more >> about the Mac system. Between the two of us we could probably figure this >> out for your student!WinkSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> -------- Original message --------From: Shelley Haven < >> ShelleyHaven@techpotential.net> Date: 3/13/19 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00) To: >> ATHEN Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate >> for MAC for Chemistry homework Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly >> full of ideas. ;-)As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon >> Dictate for Mac, nor do they sell it. ?However, if you already have or >> purchase their last versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates >> provided by Nuance, the software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 >> (Sierra & High Sierra), but only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 >> (Mohave).Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation >> macros in Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in >> the Mac's main menu bar). ?Specify the app in which your new commands will >> work (or specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the >> Command Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a >> result! >> . ?That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of >> keystrokes to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow.So for >> example, if I wanted to type the formula for sulfuric acid into Apple >> Pages, I would use the following keystrokes:HCmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get >> subscripted text)2Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript)SOCmd-Ctrl-minus >> sign4Cmd-Ctrl-minus signI could enter these keystrokes into a macro called >> ?sulphuric acid?, and every time I spoke that phase, the >> correctly-formatted formula would be typed. ?(BTW, I just tried this to >> make sure it works ? it does!)You can take a similar approach with the >> Dictation Commands utility built into macOS (System Preferences > >> Accessibility > Dictation Commands). ?Click + to create a new command, name >> the command (When I say:), then select Paste Text (under Perform:) and >> paste a text string you?ve previously created in Pages, Word, etc., >> complete with subscripts and the like. ?(Again, I just tried this, too, and >> it w! >> orks!)You might consider using either of these methods to crea! >> te text strings for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used >> molecules and formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, >> other organic compounds ? go wild!). ?For the Dictation Commands approach, >> I find it easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete >> with subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the >> Paste Text box. ?(Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same >> app the student will use for dictating the macros.)You might also consider >> using either approach with the math and science entry software by >> Efofex.com?? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX Equation. ?(FX >> ChemStruct?actually draws the chemical structures!) ?Again, you would need >> to first create individual speech macros by entering the series of >> keystrokes needed to type the desired formulas, etc. ?(Be aware that >> Efofex?s tools use their own unique entry methods.)Will this take some time >> and effort to set up? ?Of course. ?But depending on the compl! >> exity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected >> combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula >> fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an >> adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework.Good >> luck!- Shelley >> _____________________________Shelley Haven ?ATP, RETAssistive Technology >> Consultantwww.TechPotential.net >> >> On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype >> wrote:Hi Jill et al ATHENites?Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon >> Dictate for Mac. Don't know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably >> robust dictation software on their own or not.There is a software combo >> that works well for dictation in math. I force Dragon to do all kinds of >> things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but dictating chemistry is not >> on the "approved list" for sure.You might contact Nancilu McClellan at >> Metroplex Voice Computing to see how feasible it would be to use Math Talk >> & Scientific Notebook with Dragon NS. Only works on Windows as far as I >> know. But it *might* work!.?Here's a link to their website.? >> https://mathtalk.com/Wink HarnerSent from my Samsung Galaxy >> smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Jill Heilman < >> heilmanj@lafayette.edu> Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To: >> athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for >> Chemistry homewor! >> k Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to >> assisting students with the dictation software.? I have a student who would >> like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework.? Does >> Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a >> software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to >> do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.??Appreciate any information you >> could?provide.Thanks,Jill-- Jill HeilmanAssociate DirectorAcademic Resource >> HubLafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall610-330-5071 ~? >> heilmanj@lafayette.edu >> _______________________________________________athen-list mailing >> listathen-list@mailman12.u.washington.eduhttp:// >> mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190313/9d5eba08/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 12:52:14 +0000 >> From: "Sorensen, Neal B" >> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> >> Subject: [Athen] TTS for Algebra >> Message-ID: >> < >> DM6PR10MB2635D4DBFFEC21C50D7DE524904B0@DM6PR10MB2635.namprd10.prod.outlook.com >> > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hello all, >> >> I have a student who came to see me a while back who is struggling in a >> developmental algebra course using WebAssign. They asked about >> text-to-speech to use with homework and exams. I have seen Equatio in >> action (thanks for Susan's webinar), and have shown it around the office. >> Right now we don't have any licenses of that purchased, but we are >> considering showing it to the math department to hopefully entice them into >> buying it. Until then, I'm still stuck with a student who could use >> mathematical TTS. Are there any other tools out there that this student >> could use to read math on the WebAssign platform? >> >> I was considering Copy/Pasting LaTeX into CAR, but the student doesn't >> have a computer of their own to install it on. They are a non-traditional >> student and not very comfortable with computers... So I'm at a bit of a >> loss. Any ideas? >> >> Neal Sorensen >> Access Specialist >> Accessibility Resources >> Minnesota State University, Mankato >> 132 Memorial Library >> Mankato, MN 56001 >> >> Phone: 507-389-5242 >> FAX: 507-389-1199 >> Email: neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu >> >> [cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, >> is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain >> confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, >> disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this >> transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying >> it, and notify the sender by reply email so that our address record can be >> corrected. >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/77ca6763/attachment-0001.html >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: image001.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 4084 bytes >> Desc: image001.jpg >> URL: < >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/77ca6763/attachment-0001.jpg >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 15:35:07 +0000 >> From: "Pfau, Jillian" >> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> >> Subject: [Athen] Smartpens w/o mics >> Message-ID: >> < >> BN7PR10MB2530DFB05804247E7B84B7AB914B0@BN7PR10MB2530.namprd10.prod.outlook.com >> > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hello all! >> I'm reaching out to see if anyone has feedback on using the Livescribe 3- >> or Aegir- model pens that do not have a microphone and require the use of a >> iphone/android/ipad to record the audio portion. >> Specifically, I'm curious if anyone is using these newer devices in a >> peer notetaker/note sharing model and how that is working for you in >> regards to the notetaker using his/her personal device or an equipment loan >> from DSS. If you'd rather share your experience off the listserv my email >> is jillian.pfau@montgomerycollege.edu> jillian.pfau@montgomerycollege.edu>. >> >> Thanks and best regards, >> Jillian >> >> >> Jillian Pfau >> Collegewide Coordinator of Assistive Technology >> Disability Support Services >> Montgomery College >> Tel. 240-567-5224 >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/7c4e28b0/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 10:07:40 -0700 >> From: Wink Harner >> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> >> Subject: Re: [Athen] TTS for Algebra >> Message-ID: >> > sv8V-HtB_1wZJXks5ybYwJ+B722eYkNthBwLL_gFCJS-w@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi Neal, >> >> it's entirely possible that you could arrange with text help to get a free >> teacher's license ? it used to be free, in any case ? of Equatio for this >> purpose, at least for the purposes of testing whether or not it would work >> with web assign (I think it will), you could at the very least, petition >> for a free copy for your office & wherever the testing center is if that's >> where the test is being given. Or perhaps you could get one for the >> student who needs a copy of it to take a test online. >> >> Here's a link: >> >> https://www.texthelp.com/en-us/company/education-blog/november-2017/equatio-is-now-free-for-teachers/ >> >> Not to throw too many rocks in the road, but as far as I know, Equatio >> only >> works in Chrome, and WebAssign does not work in Chrome. Perhaps someone >> with more experience in the online testing environment has >> another workaround or suggestion. >> >> Wink Harner >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 5:53 AM Sorensen, Neal B >> wrote: >> >> > Hello all, >> > >> > >> > >> > I have a student who came to see me a while back who is struggling in a >> > developmental algebra course using WebAssign. They asked about >> > text-to-speech to use with homework and exams. I have seen Equatio in >> > action (thanks for Susan?s webinar), and have shown it around the >> office. >> > Right now we don?t have any licenses of that purchased, but we are >> > considering showing it to the math department to hopefully entice them >> into >> > buying it. Until then, I?m still stuck with a student who could use >> > mathematical TTS. Are there any other tools out there that this student >> > could use to read math on the WebAssign platform? >> > >> > I was considering Copy/Pasting LaTeX into CAR, but the student doesn?t >> > have a computer of their own to install it on. They are a >> non-traditional >> > student and not very comfortable with computers? So I?m at a bit of a >> loss. >> > Any ideas? >> > >> > >> > >> > Neal Sorensen >> > >> > Access Specialist >> > >> > Accessibility Resources >> > >> > Minnesota State University, Mankato >> > >> > 132 Memorial Library >> > >> > Mankato, MN 56001 >> > >> > >> > >> > Phone: 507-389-5242 >> > >> > FAX: 507-389-1199 >> > >> > Email: *neal.sorensen@mnsu.edu * >> > >> > >> > >> > [image: cid:image001.png@01CF4281.A3698650] >> > >> > >> > >> > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, >> is >> > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain >> confidential >> > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or >> > distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in >> > error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify >> the >> > sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > athen-list mailing list >> > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/71f7ae86/attachment-0001.html >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: image001.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 4084 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/71f7ae86/attachment-0001.jpg >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:15:00 -0400 >> From: Robert Spangler >> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> >> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework >> Message-ID: >> > jM7pMa5JPkhk_OJjw@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hello, I wonder if EquatIO from Texthelp would be useful in this case. We >> just finished evaluating this software, since we have many students with >> concussions or who break their dominant hand and who need to be able to >> dictate temporarily. We found that it does have a bit of a learning >> curve, >> especially if the student is not in a math-intensive major, but just >> throwing it out there. I do recall seeing some chemistry equations in it. >> There is a dictate feature and, if you dictate the equation in the manner >> in which the program expects it, it accurately inputs it into a Word >> document. Commonly-used equations can be inserted with just a click. >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 12:38 AM foreigntype >> wrote: >> >> > hi all >> > >> > When I said that I could provoke Dragon Naturally Speaking into doing >> > things it was not necessarily designed to do, let me clarify. I wrote >> > macros so that I could dictate Braille. I also wrote macros so I could >> > dictate physics, and chemistry. It is not for the faint of heart. It is >> > difficult and time- consuming, however beneficial in the long run! I >> > trained more than 900 macro commands to do alternative textbook >> conversion >> > for Kurzweil in physics and chemistry. >> > >> > I am the guru in the Windows operating system for Dragon Naturally >> > Speaking. Shelley knows a lot more about the Mac system. Between the >> two of >> > us we could probably figure this out for your student! >> > >> > Wink >> > >> > >> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> > >> > -------- Original message -------- >> > From: Shelley Haven >> > Date: 3/13/19 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00) >> > To: ATHEN >> > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework >> > >> > Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-) >> > >> > As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor >> > do they sell it. However, if you already have or purchase their last >> > versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance, >> the >> > software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra), >> but >> > only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave). >> > >> > Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in >> > Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the >> Mac's >> > main menu bar). Specify the app in which your new commands will work >> (or >> > specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command >> > Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result. >> > That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of >> keystrokes >> > to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow. >> > >> > So for example, if I wanted to *type* the formula for sulfuric acid into >> > Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes: >> > H >> > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text) >> > 2 >> > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript) >> > S >> > O >> > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign >> > 4 >> > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign >> > >> > I could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and >> > every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be >> > typed. (BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!) >> > >> > You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility >> built >> > into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands). >> > Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then >> > select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve >> > previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and >> the >> > like. (Again, I just tried this, too, and it works!) >> > >> > You might consider using either of these methods to create text strings >> > for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and >> > formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic >> > compounds ? go wild!). For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it >> > easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with >> > subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste >> > Text box. (Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app >> the >> > student will use for dictating the macros.) >> > >> > You might also consider using either approach with the math and science >> > entry software by Efofex.com ? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX >> Equation. (FX >> > ChemStruct actually draws the >> > chemical structures!) Again, you would need to first create individual >> > speech macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the >> > desired formulas, etc. (Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own >> unique >> > entry methods.) >> > >> > Will this take some time and effort to set up? Of course. But >> depending >> > on the complexity of the chemistry course being taken, a >> carefully-selected >> > combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula >> > fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an >> > adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework. >> > >> > Good luck! >> > - Shelley >> > >> > _____________________________ >> > Shelley Haven ATP, RET >> > Assistive Technology Consultant >> > www.TechPotential.net >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype wrote: >> > >> > Hi Jill et al ATHENites >> > >> > Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't >> know >> > if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software on >> > their own or not. >> > >> > There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force >> > Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, >> but >> > dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure. >> > >> > You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see >> > how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with >> Dragon >> > NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!. Here's >> > a link to their website. >> > https://mathtalk.com/ >> > >> > Wink Harner >> > >> > >> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> > >> > -------- Original message -------- >> > From: Jill Heilman >> > Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) >> > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu >> > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework >> > >> > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to >> > assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who >> would >> > like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does >> > Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is >> there a >> > software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you >> to >> > do Chemistry equations and Math Equations. >> > >> > Appreciate any information you could provide. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Jill >> > -- >> > >> > Jill Heilman >> > >> > *Associate Director* >> > >> > *Academic Resource Hub* >> > >> > *Lafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall* >> > >> > *610-330-5071 ~ heilmanj@lafayette.edu * >> > _______________________________________________ >> > athen-list mailing list >> > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > athen-list mailing list >> > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > >> >> >> -- >> Robert Spangler >> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >> rspangler1@udayton.edu >> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >> Phone: 937-229-2066 >> Fax: 937-229-3270 >> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >> hearing) >> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/eaff0d29/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:16:15 -0400 >> From: Robert Spangler >> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> >> Subject: [Athen] Dragon for Mac >> Message-ID: >> < >> CAA6y2T7dWGLqcc_+JWwSmcMC8DrNgvd21n3ChGt_k6ZAEgy2ZA@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting >> Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS >> version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who >> also >> use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks >> planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate? >> >> Thanks, >> Robert >> >> >> -- >> Robert Spangler >> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >> rspangler1@udayton.edu >> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >> Phone: 937-229-2066 >> Fax: 937-229-3270 >> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >> hearing) >> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/db715a7e/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 17:29:17 +0000 >> From: Liza Eldred >> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> >> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon for Mac >> Message-ID: >> < >> QB1PR01MB33959024D2A3FC3CC63858D7A04B0@QB1PR01MB3395.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM >> > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi, >> >> We are planning on using the built-in dictation feature in the Mac OS. >> The latest OS, Mojave, has the dictation settings under Keyboard ? Input, >> and in the Accessibility settings. >> The student would not have to setup a profile which will save time. >> We have not had a lot of time to play around with the features and >> functionality but are hoping that it will be a suitable replacement for >> Dragon Dictate. Our fingers are crossed! >> Thanks >> Liza >> >> Liza Eldred >> cherniwchanl@macewan.ca >> Assistive Technology Specialist >> Assistive Computer Technology Service >> Services to Students with Disabilities >> MacEwan University >> 7-198D-2, 10700 - 104 Avenue >> Edmonton, AB (780) 497-5826 >> Fax: 780-497-4018 >> www.macewan.ca >> >> This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it is >> addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged >> information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended >> recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take >> action relying on it. Any communication received in error, or subsequent >> reply, should be deleted or destroyed. >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this email. >> >> >> >> From: athen-list On >> Behalf Of Robert Spangler >> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:16 AM >> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> Subject: [Athen] Dragon for Mac >> >> I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting >> Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS >> version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who also >> use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks >> planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate? >> >> Thanks, >> Robert >> >> >> -- >> Robert Spangler >> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >> rspangler1@udayton.edu >> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >> Phone: 937-229-2066 >> Fax: 937-229-3270 >> Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >> hearing) >> Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/pipermail/athen-list/attachments/20190314/4d2d36a1/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:59:22 -0400 >> From: Robert Spangler >> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >> >> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon for Mac >> Message-ID: >> > M0aSCpkbpyTVdN_Sb6kf7WY5oDg@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Yeah I hope so, too. I played around with the dictation features in >> Windows a couple of years back and found them to be far inferior to >> Dragon, >> as far as the accuracy in which it understood me. So hopefully Apple's is >> better. I'll need to find a way to get my hands on a modern Mac; I have >> an >> old Mac Mini from 2010 which I doubt will run Mojave. >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:34 PM Liza Eldred >> wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > >> > >> > We are planning on using the built-in dictation feature in the Mac OS. >> > >> > The latest OS, Mojave, has the dictation settings under Keyboard ? >> Input, >> > and in the Accessibility settings. >> > >> > The student would not have to setup a profile which will save time. >> > >> > We have not had a lot of time to play around with the features and >> > functionality but are hoping that it will be a suitable replacement for >> > Dragon Dictate. Our fingers are crossed! >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Liza >> > >> > >> > >> > *Liza Eldred* >> > >> > *cherniwchanl@macewan.ca * >> > >> > >> > *Assistive Technology Specialist **Assistive Computer Technology >> Service* >> > >> > *Services to Students with Disabilities* >> > >> > >> > *MacEwan University * >> > *7-198D-2, 10700 - 104 Avenue Edmonton, AB (780) 497-5826* >> > >> > >> > *Fax: 780-497-4018 **www.macewan.ca * >> > >> > >> > >> > *This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it >> is >> > addressed and may contain confidential, personal, and/or privileged >> > information. Please contact me immediately if you are not the intended >> > recipient of this communication, and do not copy, distribute, or take >> > action relying on it. 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What are >> folks >> > planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate? >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Robert >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Robert Spangler >> > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >> > rspangler1@udayton.edu >> > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >> > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) >> > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 >> > Phone: 937-229-2066 >> > >> > Fax: 937-229-3270 >> > >> > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of >> hearing) >> > >> > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning >> > _______________________________________________ >> > athen-list mailing list >> > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > >> >> >> -- >> Robert Spangler >> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist >> rspangler1@udayton.edu >> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 >> Ryan C. 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URL: From kerscher at montana.com Thu Mar 14 17:54:34 2019 From: kerscher at montana.com (George Kerscher) Date: Thu Mar 14 17:54:53 2019 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 14, 7:30 pm In-Reply-To: References: <2BE072F6-6AB2-4431-A022-F3AE57B29BE1@indiana.edu>, , <1AFB3178-1832-41FB-8FDD-DCFD225376F9@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <00db01d4dac9$a8621970$f9264c50$@montana.com> Hi, Richard and George will be in the lobby at 7:30. Best George From: athen-list On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 6:21 PM To: Jiatyan Chen ; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 14, 7:30 pm Sounds like a plan although I think I'll try to narrow down the choices before Thursday. I'll do a little research since my diet is the most restricted. -Howard _____ From: athen-list > on behalf of Jiatyan Chen > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 6:16 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 14, 7:30 pm I'll look for familiar faces all at the Marriott lobby at 7:30pm. I'm happy walk anywhere within an hour, so Garden Walk is totally doable. For those who are short on time, there is also a restaurant Mix (2 min across in the Hilton). -- Jiatyan Chen _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best George From: athen-list On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 6:21 PM To: Jiatyan Chen ; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 14, 7:30 pm Sounds like a plan although I think I'll try to narrow down the choices before Thursday. I'll do a little research since my diet is the most restricted. -Howard ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Jiatyan Chen > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 6:16 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 14, 7:30 pm I'll look for familiar faces all at the Marriott lobby at 7:30pm. I'm happy walk anywhere within an hour, so Garden Walk is totally doable. For those who are short on time, there is also a restaurant Mix (2 min across in the Hilton). -- Jiatyan Chen _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From howard.kramer at colorado.edu Thu Mar 14 18:33:23 2019 From: howard.kramer at colorado.edu (Howard Kramer) Date: Thu Mar 14 18:34:06 2019 Subject: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 14, 7:30 pm In-Reply-To: <2BE072F6-6AB2-4431-A022-F3AE57B29BE1@indiana.edu> References: , <2BE072F6-6AB2-4431-A022-F3AE57B29BE1@indiana.edu> Message-ID: Hi Mary, See you in the lobby. -Howard ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Stores, Mary A. Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 7:54 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] ATHEN/AHG dinner meeting at CSUN - Thursday, March 14, 7:30 pm Hello! I would definitely like to attend. I attended the Accessing Higher Ground conference the year before last, and the ATAC at Indiana University where I am happily employed has been asked to present some pre-conference workshops this year. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Mar 11, 2019, at 6:52 PM, Howard Kramer > wrote: Dear Colleagues: As per previous years, I'd like to hold a dinner/meeting at a nearby restaurant on Thursday evening (7:30 p.m.), March 14, at CSUN (International Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference) for dinner and for ATHEN members (or others) to provide their input on this year's Accessing Higher Ground conference. Please let me know if you plan to attend so I can guesstimate the right size table. Restaurant: I'm thinking of nFuse (in the Anaheim Marriott). If anyone has any different ideas let me know. I've never been to Anaheim before so I have no idea but this place looks good. (Now that I'm here the restaurant looks fine but would prefer to go outside the hotel. Let me know if anyone has any suggestions). Note about dinner/meeting time: I know in some years there's been a Tweet-up event in the evening on Thursday. As a result we've met a little later - about 8:15 in the past. I don't see anything in the schedule (about any evening events except the Tuesday keynote). Anyway, we can always move the meeting time back a bit if there's a conflicting event. -- Regards, Howard _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See the message below for more information. As a reminder, the 2019 Teresa Haven Scholarship for Students with Disabilities is now open for nominations and applications. Information about the scholarship and eligibility is available at the following site: https://athenpro.org/content/teresa-haven-scholarship-students-disabilities Teresa Haven, Ph.D., was a long-time ATHEN contributor and member of the Executive Council. She was a passionate advocate for student equity and diversity in higher education. In remembrance of her dedication and service to students, the ATHEN membership voted unanimously to create a scholarship in her memory. To read more about Teresa, please visit: http://www.norvelowensmortuary.com/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=3915612&fh_id=13224 For more information and the application form, please visit the ATHEN Scholarship website: https://athenpro.org/content/teresa-haven-scholarship-students-disabilities Deadline to apply is March 29, 2019. 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We currently have a SmartView 360 that works very well for these purposes, and we are already in the process of ordering some Transformers, as well. Thanks everyone, Ione Priest, CPACC | Accessibility Technology Manager Pronouns: she, her, hers Access Center Metropolitan State University of Denver Campus Box 56, P.O. Box 173362, Denver, CO 80217-3362 303-615-0200 (office) 720-778-5662 (fax) ipriest@msudenver.edu | www.msudenver.edu/access MSU Denver logo: [Metropolitan State University of Denver] This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The current intention for > these will be mostly within our testing center, with the possibility of > putting one in a classroom setting for a specific student. We currently > have a SmartView 360 that works very well for these purposes, and we are > already in the process of ordering some Transformers, as well. > > > > Thanks everyone, > > > > *Ione Priest, **CPACC** |* *Accessibility Technology Manager* > *Pronouns: she, her, hers* > > Access Center > > Metropolitan State University of Denver > > Campus Box 56, P.O. Box 173362, Denver, CO 80217-3362 > > 303-615-0200 (office) > > 720-778-5662 (fax) > > ipriest@msudenver.edu | www.msudenver.edu/access > > MSU Denver logo: > > [image: Metropolitan State University of Denver] > > *This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Thank you, Dan Dan Schipul Lead Web Developer Digtal Accessibility Subject Matter Expert The Office of Campus Technology Services Certified Web Accessibility Specialist dan.schipul@purchase.edu 914-251-6464 [Purchase College - State University of New York] [Internation Association of Accessibility Professionals - Certified Web Accessibility Specialist (WAS)] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Priest, Ione Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 11:17 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] CCTV Suggestions < - - MESSAGE FROM AN EXTERNAL SENDER - - > Good morning all, Does anyone have suggestions/recommendations for CCTVs? We're looking for something that is somewhat portable and has the ability to switch between documents and more distance-based information. The current intention for these will be mostly within our testing center, with the possibility of putting one in a classroom setting for a specific student. We currently have a SmartView 360 that works very well for these purposes, and we are already in the process of ordering some Transformers, as well. Thanks everyone, Ione Priest, CPACC | Accessibility Technology Manager Pronouns: she, her, hers Access Center Metropolitan State University of Denver Campus Box 56, P.O. Box 173362, Denver, CO 80217-3362 303-615-0200 (office) 720-778-5662 (fax) ipriest@msudenver.edu | www.msudenver.edu/access MSU Denver logo: [Metropolitan State University of Denver] This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Ione Priest Accessibility Technology Manager Pronouns: she, her, hers Access Center Metropolitan State University of Denver 303-615-0200 (office) ipriest@msudenver.edu | www.msudenver.edu/access This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Schipul, Dan Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:51 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] CCTV Suggestions Hi Ione, Would a webpage / video player / or JavaScript animation be able to handle this? By working with your Information technology department, you might be able to do everything you need using a password protected website or a secure "Virtual Private Network". Please let me know if you would like to chat, and I can see if there might be another solution that would best work for this situation. Thank you, Dan Dan Schipul Lead Web Developer Digtal Accessibility Subject Matter Expert The Office of Campus Technology Services Certified Web Accessibility Specialist dan.schipul@purchase.edu 914-251-6464 [Purchase College - State University of New York] [Internation Association of Accessibility Professionals - Certified Web Accessibility Specialist (WAS)] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Priest, Ione Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 11:17 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] CCTV Suggestions < - - MESSAGE FROM AN EXTERNAL SENDER - - > Good morning all, Does anyone have suggestions/recommendations for CCTVs? We're looking for something that is somewhat portable and has the ability to switch between documents and more distance-based information. The current intention for these will be mostly within our testing center, with the possibility of putting one in a classroom setting for a specific student. We currently have a SmartView 360 that works very well for these purposes, and we are already in the process of ordering some Transformers, as well. Thanks everyone, Ione Priest, CPACC | Accessibility Technology Manager Pronouns: she, her, hers Access Center Metropolitan State University of Denver Campus Box 56, P.O. Box 173362, Denver, CO 80217-3362 303-615-0200 (office) 720-778-5662 (fax) ipriest@msudenver.edu | www.msudenver.edu/access MSU Denver logo: [Metropolitan State University of Denver] This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all, Just a gentle reminder to participate in the study related to accessibility of digital content in higher education. ************************************************************ Dear all, My name is Ella Epshteyn. As part of my doctoral dissertation at Northeastern University entitled ?*From Policy to Compliance: US Higher Education Faculty Concerns over Institutional Digital Content Accessibility Policies*?, I am conducting a national survey research study on institutional policies and guidelines related to accessibility of digital content in higher education, processes that facilitate policy adoption and faculty concerns over such policies. Target audience for this survey are administrators working in provost offices, centers for teaching and learning, disability services (or related functional areas), as well as faculty at universities and colleges in the US of any rank. Please take a few minutes to participate and/or forward this email to faculty at your institution and your professional contacts. The survey is anonymous. Your responses will be reported as part of the aggregate only. Note that your participation is entirely voluntary. If you have any questions, please email me at epshteyn.e@husky.neu.edu. Link to survey Thank you for your participation. Sincerely, Ella Epshteyn Doctoral student College of Professional Studies, Northeastern University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kvillanueva at Lee.Edu Mon Mar 18 14:36:20 2019 From: kvillanueva at Lee.Edu (Villanueva, K-leigh) Date: Mon Mar 18 14:36:32 2019 Subject: [Athen] Universal Design Checker for LMS content recommendation Message-ID: <12A38F78D98E5C48A12D354F053457288793ECEA@TOPAZE.lee.edu> Hi All, I am seeking a recommendation ( if there is one) to check Universal Design Content with in our LMS campus wide. We utilize Blackboard and now Ally but I wanted to find out if there was any other program that would do such a thing? I realize there is probably not. K-leigh K-leigh Villanueva, MA., M.Ed., LPC-Intern Counselor for Students with Disabilities Lee College Kvillanueva@lee.edu (V) 281-425-6217 (Main/Appt. line) (V) 832-556-4069 (Direct) (F) 832-556-4554 Behavioral Intervention Team / Core Member www.lee.edu/behavioral-intervention-team Confidentiality Notice: This message is intended solely for the use of the addressees shown above. It may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you are hereby notified that the copying, use, or distribution of any information or materials transmitted in or with this message is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or have received this message by mistake, please immediately contact Disability Support Services at 832-556-4069 and destroy the original and any copies of this message. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skeegan at ccctechcenter.org Mon Mar 18 16:13:32 2019 From: skeegan at ccctechcenter.org (Sean Keegan) Date: Mon Mar 18 16:13:53 2019 Subject: [Athen] Universal Design Checker for LMS content recommendation In-Reply-To: <12A38F78D98E5C48A12D354F053457288793ECEA@TOPAZE.lee.edu> References: <12A38F78D98E5C48A12D354F053457288793ECEA@TOPAZE.lee.edu> Message-ID: > I am seeking a recommendation ( if there is one) to check > Universal Design Content with in our LMS campus wide. The only two tools I am aware of at this time that will check content inside an LMS environment include both Ally and UDOIT (see https://github.com/ucfopen/UDOIT). The Ally tool is available for Blackboard and Canvas whereas the UDOIT tool is for Canvas alone. UDOIT is focused more on checking a specific course and does not have a reporting mechanism to scan/monitor a large aggregate of courses. I keep looking to see if any of the major accessibility vendors are going to develop something for the LMS environment, but at this time they seem focused on public-facing content only. Take care, Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deb.castiglione at cengage.com Mon Mar 18 18:29:37 2019 From: deb.castiglione at cengage.com (Castiglione, Deb A) Date: Mon Mar 18 18:29:53 2019 Subject: [Athen] Accessibility/UDL Specialist Message-ID: <9C6901F5-058B-4A82-A07C-0997EBD9EC8D@cengage.com> Cengage is hiring an Accessibility/UDL Specialist. Deb Castiglione, EdD, ATP Director, Universal Design & Accessible Technologies Learning Center of Excellence Cengage 5191 Natorp Boulevard, Mason, OH 45040 513-229-1654 / 513-480-3155 (cell) deb.castiglione@cengage.com For accessibility concerns please complete the Accessibility Intake Form. If you are seeking documentation such as VPATs, ACRs, etc. please complete our Accessibility Documentation Form. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From howard.kramer at colorado.edu Tue Mar 19 10:04:47 2019 From: howard.kramer at colorado.edu (Howard Kramer) Date: Tue Mar 19 10:05:22 2019 Subject: [Athen] AHG 2019: Call for Proposals - April 19 deadline Message-ID: Accessing Higher Ground: Accessible Media, Web & Technology Conference ? November 18 ? 22, 2019 Proposal Deadline: April 19 Accessing Higher Ground 2019, the official conference of ATHEN, is now accepting proposals for its 22nd Annual Conference in Westminster, Colorado. AHG focuses on: ? accessible media ? Universal Design ? best practices for web & media development ? accessible curriculum ? alternate format ? teaching about accessibility and UD in university curriculum (and elsewhere) ? evidence-based research ? other topics related to accessibility in higher education and other environments Use the online speaker proposal form to submit your proposal. Additional speaker information can be found on the AHG website. View last year?s sessions to get a sense of the typical agenda and range of topics. If you have any questions about proposal submission, contact Howard Kramer at 303-492-8672 or at the email below. e-mail: ahg@ahead.org Conference URL: http://accessinghigherground.org/ *If needed, a second round RFP will be announced shortly after the April 19 deadline. Note: first round proposals are given priority and there is no guaranty that there will be a second round opportunity. -- Regards, Howard Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Westminster, Colorado, Nov 18-22, 2019. Request for proposals will be announced mid-March. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of webinars, AHEADtoYOU! And the Technology Access Series. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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