[Athen] Bookstore politics

[Wink Harner]

Justin,

When our bookstore at Southern Oregon University switched to Barnes & Noble
we had the same problem getting access to the book inventory. Our strategy
was to inventory the other universities and colleges in Oregon and find out
how many of them were using Barnes & Noble and how many of them were able
to access the database. Once we showed our new B & N bookstore manager that
other universities were already providing this, the “privacy issues” were
eradicated. Of course we were using AIM so we could link the books to the
students files AND to our alt-text production teams. We also had to do all
of the transfer work ourselves from writing the export/import file
transfers to get it from the bookstore database into our database.

Once we worked out the kinks, it worked. So, my suggestion is to do a
little inventory of your sister colleges in Texas and find out how many are
able to access the database through Barnes & Noble, then you provide this
information to your bookstore manager. All things being equal, and in the
spirit of equity, if some (many, a lot) of colleges & universities in TX
are able to access the book lists and course book lists, then you can
gently point out that “if UTA or UTSA are doing this, you can too!”

I make it sound easy but it took some work on our part to convince the
bookstore that this was only used for the students in our DSS alt-text
accommodations.

I hope you find other reasonable solutions from others on the list. Do
please let me know (off list) if you have any questions.

Wink Harner

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 3:13 PM Justin Romack <justinr at disability.tamu.edu>
wrote:


> Neal,

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> I’m working with our Barnes and Noble … though we don’t have AIM … and

> I’ve been told they can’t share inventory lists with me due to privacy

> concerns. Have you heard of anything like this?

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> Great conversation, all! I feel like I need a decoder ring or something to

> solve these truncated title mysteries sometimes … but typically ISBN

> narrows things down when available.

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> Admittedly, our profs aren’t making determinations on their course

> materials at registration … which does make things far more difficult for

> us – and the students, to be honest. Usually I’ll email profs for classes

> our high-volume alt format users are planning to take in the upcoming term,

> but this won’t ever solve the problem of schedule changes and last-minute

> adds.

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> Gratefully,

>

> J

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> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On

> Behalf Of *Sorensen, Neal B

> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 10:43 AM

> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <

> athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Bookstore politics

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> It is for bookstores, but students don’t always realize that we need it

> when making requests.  I’ve been using AIM this semester for alt format,

> and it uses the inventory list from the bookstore, so I get all that info

> without the student having to provide it… Unless of course the student

> simply emails me to ask if I have a book.

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> Neal Sorensen

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> Access Specialist

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> I thought providing ISBNs was required now by bookstores

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> *Textbooks*. The HEOA is a federal mandate that, inter alia, requires

> institutions of *higher education* to display *textbook* information at

> the time enrollment opens. The *Act* specifies that the University

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> Is your bookstore a Barnes and Noble campus store?

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> I’m fairly sure that is the way Barnes and Noble lists textbooks (maybe

> all books?). Our bookstore is B&N and we have these same *garbage*

> descriptions! The ISBN is so essential. I don’t have a solution, but I

> share your pain! This practice has made me play detective more than I’d

> like.

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> Keep fighting the good fight.

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> Neal Sorensen

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> (pronouns: he, him, his)

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> Access Specialist

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> Accessibility Resources

>

> Minnesota State University, Mankato

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> 132 Memorial Library

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> Mankato, MN 56001

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> Phone: 507-389-5242

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> Email: neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu

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> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On

> Behalf Of *Deborah Armstrong

> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 15, 2020 4:16 PM

> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <

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> *Subject:* [Athen] Bookstore politics

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> RANT MODE ON:

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> Do you have this problem with your bookstore? Ours always has these awful

> abbreviations for books and is less than willing to provide too much

> identifying information like an ISBN lest students purchase books on a

> cheaper site like Amazon. They have to show a profit.

>

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> I know in times like these any college would not want to lay off bookstore

> employees, but it seems to me in the long run we’d be way better off it

> students were encouraged to buy books the cheapest way possible.

>

>

>

> For example this morning, a student sent me a receipt for a book that read

>

>                 LAB MANUAL+WORKBK.F/BIOLOG.ANTHRO.(LL) SOLURI 1 $53.47

>

> I looked at the actual bookstore information for this course; same thing.

> Instructor’s syllabus also probably says the same thing. Hard to provide

> alt media with minimal info like this.

>

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> RANT MODE OFF!

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> --Debee

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