From gwynette.hall at wisc.edu Fri Jan 3 06:30:51 2020 From: gwynette.hall at wisc.edu (GWYNETTE HALL) Date: Fri Jan 3 06:31:23 2020 Subject: [Athen] =?windows-1252?q?Job_Posting=3A_Accessible_Learning_Techn?= =?windows-1252?q?ology_Coordinator_at_University_of_Wisconsin_=96_Madison?= Message-ID: Dear ATHEN Colleagues: The McBurney Disability Resource Center is excited to announce opportunities for qualified candidates to join our team at UW-Madison! We will be adding an Access Consultant and an Accessible Learning Technology Coordinator (ALTC) and replacing an Associate Director of Student Services this spring. Access Consultants facilitate the provision of reasonable accommodations for university students with disabilities to ensure inclusive and equitable access to programs, services and activities of the institution. They employ an individualized and interactive process, communicating with University students, instructors, department administrators and other student services and provide campus-wide training activities on disability, rights and responsibilities, and best practices regarding reasonable accommodations and inclusive design in a post-secondary environment. Review the posting and apply online. (https://jobs.hr.wisc.edu/en-us/job/503934/access-consultant-ii-or-i) The Accessible Learning Technology Coordinator (ALTC) works with a dedicated team of professional and student staff to provide notetaking accommodations (including notetaking technologies), furniture accommodations, alternative formats (document conversion), and media captioning. This position works with a team to ensure equal access for students with disabilities. It also includes work with assistive technology, student/instructor consultations, digital accessibility, universal design in instructional materials, and campus outreach. Review the posting and apply online. (https://jobs.hr.wisc.edu/en-us/job/503945/accessible-learning-technology-coordinator) The Associate Director of Student Services is a senior staff position that works closely with the Assistant Dean/Director of the McBurney Center and the Associate Director of Accommodations and Technology to enact the organization?s operational and strategic vision and priorities, and to ensure that students with disabilities have effective access to the instruction and programs of the university. This position leads a team of professional staff and works to ensure that the operations of the McBurney Center are centered on the needs of students. It also provides compliance leadership and guidance to the University community related to accessibility and assists faculty and staff in implementing fair and effective instructional methods and adaptations to provide equal access in the classroom and on campus. Leading campus-wide training activities on disability-related issues is an important part of the job. Review the posting and apply online. (https://jobs.hr.wisc.edu/en-us/job/503982/associate-director-student-services) Applications for each position close at 11:55PM (CDT) on Thursday, January 30, 2020. We value the contributions of each person and respect the profound ways their identity, culture, background, experience, status, abilities, and opinion enrich the university community, and are looking for qualified candidates who will continue to move UW-Madison Forward in Access. Please feel free to share with groups/candidates you think may be interested. Sincerely, Gwynette ______________ Gwynette V. Hall she/her/hers Accessible Learning Technology Manager McBurney Disability Resource Center Student Affairs University of Wisconsin-Madison 608-263-2741 (Voice-Front desk) 608-225-7956 (Text-Front desk) 608-265-2998 (FAX) www.mcburney.wisc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From popish at pdx.edu Fri Jan 3 09:27:39 2020 From: popish at pdx.edu (Mary Popish) Date: Fri Jan 3 09:28:50 2020 Subject: [Athen] Voice typing tool for coding? Message-ID: Hi all, I'm working with a student who has limited use of their hands, and who is taking advanced mathematics and computer science courses. The student uses voice typing (built-in software on his Windows laptop, not Dragon) for non-math tasks, and we are looking for a good voice typing tool that can handle complex math symbols for coding. Specifically, they'll need to be able to type summation and product operators (upper case sigma and pi symbols) and indexes. We've looked into Dragon and built-in speech recognition tools, but I'm still looking for recommendations for platforms that do voice coding and voice typing for math. We started with EquatIO, but the speech recognition features can't produce the math symbols that the student needs. (We were on the phone with them, though, so hopefully that will come in the future!) The student is a Windows user, but I'd be open to hearing suggestions for Mac OS as well. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance! Mary *Mary Popish* Adaptive Technology Specialist & Alternate Formats Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Phone: (503) 725-9119 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: drc@pdx.edu URL: http://www.pdx.edu/drc Pronouns: she / her / hers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmhackett at stcc.edu Fri Jan 3 09:35:22 2020 From: cmhackett at stcc.edu (Hackett, Connie) Date: Fri Jan 3 09:36:02 2020 Subject: [Athen] Voice typing tool for coding? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mary, Have you tried the MathTalk software? Here is a link to their site. https://mathtalk.com/mathtalk-voicing-statistics-calculating-a-standard-normal-probability/ On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 12:31 PM Mary Popish wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm working with a student who has limited use of their hands, and who is > taking advanced mathematics and computer science courses. The student uses > voice typing (built-in software on his Windows laptop, not Dragon) for > non-math tasks, and we are looking for a good voice typing tool that can > handle complex math symbols for coding. > > Specifically, they'll need to be able to type summation and product > operators (upper case sigma and pi symbols) and indexes. We've looked into > Dragon and built-in speech recognition tools, but I'm still looking for > recommendations for platforms that do voice coding and voice typing for > math. > > We started with EquatIO, but the speech recognition features can't produce > the math symbols that the student needs. (We were on the phone with them, > though, so hopefully that will come in the future!) > > The student is a Windows user, but I'd be open to hearing suggestions for > Mac OS as well. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks in advance! > > Mary > > *Mary Popish* > Adaptive Technology Specialist & Alternate Formats Coordinator > Disability Resource Center > Portland State University > > Phone: (503) 725-9119 > Fax: (503) 725-4103 > Email: drc@pdx.edu > URL: http://www.pdx.edu/drc > Pronouns: she / her / hers > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Connie Hackett Assistive Technology Specialist Springfield Technical Community College 413.755.4082 cmhackett@stcc.edu -- *SPRINGFIELD TECHNICAL COMMUNITY COLLEGE**IMPORTANT: ?The information contained in this e-mail is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. 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Have any of you had any experience using this text and accompanying homework platform? I am going to be meeting with the faculty member to determine if it's even a possibility to use it this quarter and more information/experience would be super helpful. Wisdom much appreciated!! Thank you! Amy Amy Rovner, MPH RD Instructional Designer/AccessibleIT Coordinator eLearning Services Shoreline Community College www.shoreline.edu | 206.546.6937 eLearning Office: 206.546.6966 Pronouns: she, her, hers [Shoreline Community College] eLearning Service Help Center Faculty Canvas 24/7 Help via Chat Faculty Canvas 24/7 Phone Help: 1-888-672-2040 Student Canvas 24/7 Help via Chat Drop in help with basic computing -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 09:59:12 2020 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Fri Jan 3 09:59:30 2020 Subject: [Athen] Voice typing tool for coding? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mary, I agree with Connie. The combination of software ? Dragon naturally speaking, math talk, & scientific notebook ? is the best combination, and the only one I know that works for what your student needs. It isn?t necessary to learn Dragon naturally speaking well at all in order to use this program successfully. It starts with training the military & the Greek alphabet and there?s a lot of support training involved with that package from Metroplex computing. I have used, and trained others on the software for a number of years, and I would be happy to help you and your student get set up or offer tips and advice after the fact. Thank you, Connie, for the suggestion. Wink Harner On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:29 AM Mary Popish wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm working with a student who has limited use of their hands, and who is > taking advanced mathematics and computer science courses. The student uses > voice typing (built-in software on his Windows laptop, not Dragon) for > non-math tasks, and we are looking for a good voice typing tool that can > handle complex math symbols for coding. > > Specifically, they'll need to be able to type summation and product > operators (upper case sigma and pi symbols) and indexes. We've looked into > Dragon and built-in speech recognition tools, but I'm still looking for > recommendations for platforms that do voice coding and voice typing for > math. > > We started with EquatIO, but the speech recognition features can't produce > the math symbols that the student needs. (We were on the phone with them, > though, so hopefully that will come in the future!) > > The student is a Windows user, but I'd be open to hearing suggestions for > Mac OS as well. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks in advance! > > Mary > > *Mary Popish* > Adaptive Technology Specialist & Alternate Formats Coordinator > Disability Resource Center > Portland State University > > Phone: (503) 725-9119 > Fax: (503) 725-4103 > Email: drc@pdx.edu > URL: http://www.pdx.edu/drc > Pronouns: she / her / hers > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Wink Harner Assistive Technology Consulting and Training Alternative Text Production Portland OR. foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmhackett at stcc.edu Fri Jan 3 10:04:22 2020 From: cmhackett at stcc.edu (Hackett, Connie) Date: Fri Jan 3 10:05:02 2020 Subject: [Athen] Voice typing tool for coding? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You're welcome. I forgot all about the Scientific Notebook software. That was a good suggestion on your part. On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 1:01 PM Wink Harner wrote: > Mary, > I agree with Connie. The combination of software ? Dragon naturally > speaking, math talk, & scientific notebook ? is the best combination, and > the only one I know that works for what your student needs. > > It isn?t necessary to learn Dragon naturally speaking well at all in order > to use this program successfully. It starts with training the military & > the Greek alphabet and there?s a lot of support training involved with that > package from Metroplex computing. > > I have used, and trained others on the software for a number of years, and > I would be happy to help you and your student get set up or offer tips and > advice after the fact. > > Thank you, Connie, for the suggestion. > > Wink Harner > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:29 AM Mary Popish wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I'm working with a student who has limited use of their hands, and who is >> taking advanced mathematics and computer science courses. The student uses >> voice typing (built-in software on his Windows laptop, not Dragon) for >> non-math tasks, and we are looking for a good voice typing tool that can >> handle complex math symbols for coding. >> >> Specifically, they'll need to be able to type summation and product >> operators (upper case sigma and pi symbols) and indexes. We've looked into >> Dragon and built-in speech recognition tools, but I'm still looking for >> recommendations for platforms that do voice coding and voice typing for >> math. >> >> We started with EquatIO, but the speech recognition features can't >> produce the math symbols that the student needs. (We were on the phone with >> them, though, so hopefully that will come in the future!) >> >> The student is a Windows user, but I'd be open to hearing suggestions for >> Mac OS as well. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated! >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Mary >> >> *Mary Popish* >> Adaptive Technology Specialist & Alternate Formats Coordinator >> Disability Resource Center >> Portland State University >> >> Phone: (503) 725-9119 >> Fax: (503) 725-4103 >> Email: drc@pdx.edu >> URL: http://www.pdx.edu/drc >> Pronouns: she / her / hers >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > -- > Wink Harner Assistive Technology Consulting and Training Alternative Text > Production Portland OR. foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Connie Hackett Assistive Technology Specialist Springfield Technical Community College 413.755.4082 cmhackett@stcc.edu -- *SPRINGFIELD TECHNICAL COMMUNITY COLLEGE**IMPORTANT: ?The information contained in this e-mail is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. 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He did not complete the semester, so I would not be able to give more information. I would strongly suggest working with the publisher to receive a test account so that you can test it. Alice Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.C.C. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7699 (fax) East TN Region Accessibility Specialist Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus PSCC Access for All Blog PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page (PSCC-Disability Services) PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed (@Access4allPSCC) From: athen-list On Behalf Of Rovner, Amy Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 12:38 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [External] [Athen] Cengage MindTap for Spanish Text Plazas 5th ed CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Pellissippi State. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Hello, We have a student who is Blind registered for a fully online Spanish course that uses Cengage MindTap for the textbook, Plazas 5th ed. I have been talking to the publisher and have received their most recent VPAT (done by a 3rd party) and it look pretty good but I'm concerned about a few areas where things are "partially supported." Have any of you had any experience using this text and accompanying homework platform? I am going to be meeting with the faculty member to determine if it's even a possibility to use it this quarter and more information/experience would be super helpful. Wisdom much appreciated!! Thank you! Amy Amy Rovner, MPH RD Instructional Designer/AccessibleIT Coordinator eLearning Services Shoreline Community College www.shoreline.edu | 206.546.6937 eLearning Office: 206.546.6966 Pronouns: she, her, hers [Shoreline Community College] eLearning Service Help Center Faculty Canvas 24/7 Help via Chat Faculty Canvas 24/7 Phone Help: 1-888-672-2040 Student Canvas 24/7 Help via Chat Drop in help with basic computing -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Mon Jan 6 09:24:13 2020 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Mon Jan 6 09:24:35 2020 Subject: [Athen] Voice typing tool for coding? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ditto Wink?s comments. I?ve had success with MathTalk. Scientific Notebook is included with the package when you buy MathTalk. I always make a fun game of learning the NATO alphabet (used by military). I get to learn it myself better each time. I engage the student to memorize by learning to spell their own name and then their pet?s name and mom?s name and so on. They usually enjoy memorizing it that way. After that, the learning curve is not too bad. Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 (Kraemer Family Library) Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 10:59 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Voice typing tool for coding? Mary, I agree with Connie. The combination of software ? Dragon naturally speaking, math talk, & scientific notebook ? is the best combination, and the only one I know that works for what your student needs. It isn?t necessary to learn Dragon naturally speaking well at all in order to use this program successfully. It starts with training the military & the Greek alphabet and there?s a lot of support training involved with that package from Metroplex computing. I have used, and trained others on the software for a number of years, and I would be happy to help you and your student get set up or offer tips and advice after the fact. Thank you, Connie, for the suggestion. Wink Harner On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:29 AM Mary Popish > wrote: Hi all, I'm working with a student who has limited use of their hands, and who is taking advanced mathematics and computer science courses. The student uses voice typing (built-in software on his Windows laptop, not Dragon) for non-math tasks, and we are looking for a good voice typing tool that can handle complex math symbols for coding. Specifically, they'll need to be able to type summation and product operators (upper case sigma and pi symbols) and indexes. We've looked into Dragon and built-in speech recognition tools, but I'm still looking for recommendations for platforms that do voice coding and voice typing for math. We started with EquatIO, but the speech recognition features can't produce the math symbols that the student needs. (We were on the phone with them, though, so hopefully that will come in the future!) The student is a Windows user, but I'd be open to hearing suggestions for Mac OS as well. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance! Mary Mary Popish Adaptive Technology Specialist & Alternate Formats Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Phone: (503) 725-9119 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: drc@pdx.edu URL: http://www.pdx.edu/drc Pronouns: she / her / hers _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Wink Harner Assistive Technology Consulting and Training Alternative Text Production Portland OR. foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Screen readers will (sometimes) read captions and subtitles that are played as part of the video player e.g. that have been added by the video's author. However, many subtitles in foreign language videos are burned into the videos themselves. In that case, there is no way to read them using a screen reader. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Is it possible to read subtitles with a screen reader? The problem: these are YouTube videos in foreign languages with subtitles in English. The student using a screen reader needs to read the subtitles. I don't seem to be able to read them with my screen readers and Braille display. But I know I've been able to read YouTube captions before using Braille. Ideas? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, many subtitles in foreign language videos are burned into the videos themselves. In that case, there is no way to read them using a screen reader. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 8:36 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Is it possible to read subtitles with a screen reader? The problem: these are YouTube videos in foreign languages with subtitles in English. The student using a screen reader needs to read the subtitles. I don't seem to be able to read them with my screen readers and Braille display. But I know I've been able to read YouTube captions before using Braille. Ideas? --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Doug Mantle, Assistive Technology Support Specialist, STARS Learning Lab Co-ordinator Accessibility, Counselling and Student Development - Accessibility Services - Student Affairs King's University College at Western University 266 Epworth Avenue London, Ontario, Canada N6A 2M3 P. 519-433-3491 ext. 4579 | P. 1-800-265-4406 | F. 519-963-1013 Doug.Mantle@Kings.UWO.ca | www.kings.uwo.ca Please be advised that this email is only monitored during regular office hours. During peak times of the academic year, replies may take 2-3 days. If your matter is urgent, please contact the Accessibility, Counselling and Student Development office at 519-433-3491 extension 4321 or acsd@kings.uwo.ca or Wemple room 151. From: noat@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Network of Assistive Technologists Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 1:11 PM To: NOAT@googlegroups.com Subject: [N.O.A.T.] Registration is open - ClaroIdeas Webinar - January 10 @ 1:30pm EST Good day & Happy New Year! Trusting everyone had a wonderful holiday and enjoyed some much needed relaxation & recharging! Join The Network of Assistive Technologists as we welcome the fine folks from VocaLinks. Vocalinks will be demonstrating ClaroIdeas, a mind mapping and idea capture program that helps with research, planning, outlining, studying and presenting. It is easy-to-use and powerful and will help users and groups to capture their ideas, pictures, research notes, web page links, audio and video files with more freedom, flexibility and creativity. You are invited to join us on Friday, January 10, 2020 at 1:30 pm EST and learn more during this free one hour webinar! 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They are looking for "input on best practices and insights on other pain points that end users may have with our accessibility experience". I thought it might be beneficial to crowd source some pain points you and your students might be experiencing. Is there something you'd me to bring up? -- Jiatyan Chen From jturay at ccu.edu Wed Jan 8 14:41:28 2020 From: jturay at ccu.edu (Turay, Jeanna) Date: Wed Jan 8 14:41:44 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Improving Box.com accessibility? In-Reply-To: <11467F52-FA0B-44FF-957F-FAEB4AF6D0D3@stanford.edu> References: <11467F52-FA0B-44FF-957F-FAEB4AF6D0D3@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Sure. One of our main pain points is in the accessibility of the Box feature annotation within our LMS. We integrate Box into our grading in Blackboard. Box offers our faculty the ability to point and click and insert a comment on a student's paper wherever they click. It leaves a blue comment box that indicates to the student a comment was made at that point in the paper. To view the comment you have to click on the blue comment box. Our students who are blind are not able to "view" the point annotated feedback so they are not aware when changes are suggested to their papers. There is no way to download the paper and see any suggested changes. We have several students who are blind and we have a workaround with downloading the papers to Word and having track changes on. It would definitely be more convenient if the annotation feature in Box was accessible to screen readers. Jeanna Turay Student Services Coordinator Office of Student Success College of Adult and Graduate Studies Colorado Christian University online.ccu.edu -----Original Message----- From: athen-list On Behalf Of Jiatyan Chen Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:46 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXTERNAL EMAIL] [Athen] Improving Box.com accessibility? Hi all, Box.com has reached out to us to have a conversation about accessibility. They are looking for "input on best practices and insights on other pain points that end users may have with our accessibility experience". I thought it might be beneficial to crowd source some pain points you and your students might be experiencing. Is there something you'd me to bring up? -- Jiatyan Chen _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list From kwahl at mit.edu Thu Jan 9 08:09:45 2020 From: kwahl at mit.edu (Katherine M Wahl) Date: Thu Jan 9 08:11:21 2020 Subject: [Athen] Squarespace Accessibility Message-ID: <550E6F2F-A1CB-47E7-A3CE-DBD70141B5E4@mit.edu> Does anyone have any experience with Squarespace sites? We are seeing them pop up on campus and while the Squarespace site talks about accessibility and offers a few tips, I don?t see anything about things like visual focus. I?m interested to hear if anyone else has experience with these sites. Thanks, Katherine Katherine Wahl Senior UX and Accessibility Consultant Accessibility & Usability Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) 7-143 617.324.4647 office 617.283.1219 mobile Kwahl@mit.edu Usability@mit.edu (usability requests) Accessibility@mit.edu (accessibility requests) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Specifically, it should not choke on its own firmware update and need an RMA to put back in working order. Has anyone found an equivalent embosser that is working well for them? Our needs range from a hundred or so pages per month to hundreds per day, depending on the quarter. I sure miss our old Juliet Pro. -- -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ University of Washington UW Information Technology -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Wed Jan 15 07:12:26 2020 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Wed Jan 15 07:12:51 2020 Subject: [Athen] Braille embosser recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It concerns me to hear this, as the Trident we bought three years ago (to replace our Juliet Pro which needed repair again) has already been repaired twice and is broken again. I was going to replace it with the newer Juliet 120, because we desperately need to interpoint when we print. Now I?m not sure I should go with the Juliet. BTW, our old Juliet is currently in service and being used almost daily, with no issues, but she?s more than 10 years old and I fear for her imminent demise. Also, she only works via USB directly hooked up to a computer now, her network capabilities are too old to work with modern networking. What are people?s recommendations for an Interpoint (duplexing) Brailler now? Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. 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URL: From neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu Wed Jan 15 11:37:26 2020 From: neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu (Sorensen, Neal B) Date: Wed Jan 15 11:37:47 2020 Subject: [Athen] Unable to extract a PDF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I rarely use the Extract feature for dividing PDFs. One of my favorite ways to divide a PDF is to use Organize Pages instead of extracting. If you have bookmarks set for each chapter and section, you can use Organize Pages "Split" feature to split it up using the top-level bookmarks. It should work fine with roman numeral page numbers too. Steps! 1. Set your bookmarks 2. Go to Organize Pages 3. For "Split By" select Top Level Bookmarks 4. Go to Output options and choose "Use bookmark names for file names" so you don't have to rename all the files later. 5. Click Split, and Acrobat will save your files into the directory the original file is in. If you happen to get a PDF that is locked by the publisher, which does not allow you to split, use the SmallPDF PDF unlock tool. It'll remove security locks and let you do whatever you want with the PDF (Thanks Susan Kelmer for showing me that!). Neal Sorensen (pronouns: he, him, his) Accessibility Resources Minnesota State University, Mankato 132 Memorial Library Mankato, MN 56001 Phone: (507) 389-5242 Fax: (507) 389-1199 www.mnsu.edu/access [cid:image004.png@01CF4281.A3698650] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply email so that our address record can be corrected. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:09 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' Subject: [Athen] Unable to extract a PDF Hi wise ones, I received a PDF for "New Perspectives Microsoft office 365 and excel 2019" and the PDF is set up in sections where the page numbers begin with a letter (EX 1-1, EX 1-2, etc), my Adobe Acrobat DC Pro will not extract because of the letters that begin the pages instead of numbers. Is there a work around for this? Thanks - as always. Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:09 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' Subject: [Athen] Unable to extract a PDF Hi wise ones, I received a PDF for "New Perspectives Microsoft office 365 and excel 2019" and the PDF is set up in sections where the page numbers begin with a letter (EX 1-1, EX 1-2, etc), my Adobe Acrobat DC Pro will not extract because of the letters that begin the pages instead of numbers. Is there a work around for this? Thanks - as always. Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu Wed Jan 15 13:24:12 2020 From: Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu (Kluesner, Bryon) Date: Wed Jan 15 13:24:42 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Susan, When I select the pages and right click I get a message that says ?Please enter a valid page number.? I remember that before, when I right click, there used to be a page label option where I could take the letters out, but I am not given that option with this particular PDF. I am going to try Neal Sorensen?s approach and see if that works. Thanks, Bryon From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:57 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT]: Re: [Athen] Unable to extract a PDF External Email Are you selecting the pages you want to extract, then right-clicking and choose extract? That SHOULD work (and works for me even when the pages are numbered weirdly). Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:09 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' > Subject: [Athen] Unable to extract a PDF Hi wise ones, I received a PDF for ?New Perspectives Microsoft office 365 and excel 2019? and the PDF is set up in sections where the page numbers begin with a letter (EX 1-1, EX 1-2, etc), my Adobe Acrobat DC Pro will not extract because of the letters that begin the pages instead of numbers. Is there a work around for this? Thanks ? as always. Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs This message is not from a UTC.EDU address. Caution should be used in clicking links and downloading attachments from unknown senders or unexpected email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Wed Jan 15 13:29:36 2020 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Wed Jan 15 13:30:10 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hm. I just downloaded the file from Cengage, and had no trouble extracting different sections, regardless of their page numbering. I wonder if you have a corrupted copy? -Susan From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:24 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF Hi Susan, When I select the pages and right click I get a message that says ?Please enter a valid page number.? I remember that before, when I right click, there used to be a page label option where I could take the letters out, but I am not given that option with this particular PDF. I am going to try Neal Sorensen?s approach and see if that works. Thanks, Bryon From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:57 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]: Re: [Athen] Unable to extract a PDF External Email Are you selecting the pages you want to extract, then right-clicking and choose extract? That SHOULD work (and works for me even when the pages are numbered weirdly). Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:09 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' > Subject: [Athen] Unable to extract a PDF Hi wise ones, I received a PDF for ?New Perspectives Microsoft office 365 and excel 2019? and the PDF is set up in sections where the page numbers begin with a letter (EX 1-1, EX 1-2, etc), my Adobe Acrobat DC Pro will not extract because of the letters that begin the pages instead of numbers. Is there a work around for this? Thanks ? as always. Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs This message is not from a UTC.EDU address. 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I wonder if you have a corrupted copy? -Susan From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:24 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF Hi Susan, When I select the pages and right click I get a message that says ?Please enter a valid page number.? I remember that before, when I right click, there used to be a page label option where I could take the letters out, but I am not given that option with this particular PDF. I am going to try Neal Sorensen?s approach and see if that works. Thanks, Bryon From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:57 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]: Re: [Athen] Unable to extract a PDF External Email Are you selecting the pages you want to extract, then right-clicking and choose extract? That SHOULD work (and works for me even when the pages are numbered weirdly). Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:09 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' > Subject: [Athen] Unable to extract a PDF Hi wise ones, I received a PDF for ?New Perspectives Microsoft office 365 and excel 2019? and the PDF is set up in sections where the page numbers begin with a letter (EX 1-1, EX 1-2, etc), my Adobe Acrobat DC Pro will not extract because of the letters that begin the pages instead of numbers. Is there a work around for this? Thanks ? as always. Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs This message is not from a UTC.EDU address. Caution should be used in clicking links and downloading attachments from unknown senders or unexpected email. This message is not from a UTC.EDU address. Caution should be used in clicking links and downloading attachments from unknown senders or unexpected email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 13:44:54 2020 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Wed Jan 15 13:46:00 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bryon, Do you save the original PDF in your files? I know it seems like an obvious question. I create a whole folder of different formats for a particular text, including a separate sub-folder for the original, then one for extracted txt, and one for e-text, MSW or tagged PDF, etc. Wink Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:35 PM Kluesner, Bryon wrote: > Guess I?ll request it again and see. > > Bryon > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Susan Kelmer > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 4:30 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [EXT]: Re: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF > > > > *External Email* > > Hm. I just downloaded the file from Cengage, and had no trouble extracting > different sections, regardless of their page numbering. I wonder if you > have a corrupted copy? > > > > -Susan > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Kluesner, Bryon > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:24 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF > > > > Hi Susan, > > > > When I select the pages and right click I get a message that says ?Please > enter a valid page number.? I remember that before, when I right click, > there used to be a page label option where I could take the letters out, > but I am not given that option with this particular PDF. I am going to try > Neal Sorensen?s approach and see if that works. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bryon > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Susan Kelmer > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:57 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [EXT]: Re: [Athen] Unable to extract a PDF > > > > *External Email* > > Are you selecting the pages you want to extract, then right-clicking and > choose extract? That SHOULD work (and works for me even when the pages are > numbered weirdly). > > > > *Susan Kelmer * > > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > > Disability Services > > Division of Student Affairs > > *T* 303 735 4836 > > *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices > * > > > > > > [image: cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] > > > > *Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this > message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message. * > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Kluesner, Bryon > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:09 PM > *To:* 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' > *Subject:* [Athen] Unable to extract a PDF > > > > Hi wise ones, > > > > I received a PDF for ?New Perspectives Microsoft office 365 and excel > 2019? and the PDF is set up in sections where the page numbers begin with a > letter (EX 1-1, EX 1-2, etc), my Adobe Acrobat DC Pro will not extract > because of the letters that begin the pages instead of numbers. Is there a > work around for this? > > > > Thanks ? as always. > > > > Bryon > > > > Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP > > Adaptive Technology Coordinator > > Disability Resource Center > > University of Tennessee at Chattanooga > > 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 > > Chattanooga, TN 37403 > > 423-425-5251 > > > > Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs > > > > > *This message is not from a UTC.EDU address. Caution > should be used in clicking links and downloading attachments from unknown > senders or unexpected email. * > > > > *This message is not from a UTC.EDU address. Caution > should be used in clicking links and downloading attachments from unknown > senders or unexpected email. * > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu Wed Jan 15 14:17:33 2020 From: Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu (Kluesner, Bryon) Date: Wed Jan 15 14:17:53 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: [EXT]: Re: [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Wink, I save the original PDF file and the extracted PDF chapters. Typically, the extracted PDF?s are what students are requesting. I re-requested the file and am still getting the same error message. If it?s a loose-leaf hard copy of the book, I may request to scan the student?s version. Bryon From: athen-list On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 4:45 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT]: Re: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF External Email Bryon, Do you save the original PDF in your files? I know it seems like an obvious question. I create a whole folder of different formats for a particular text, including a separate sub-folder for the original, then one for extracted txt, and one for e-text, MSW or tagged PDF, etc. Wink Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:35 PM Kluesner, Bryon > wrote: Guess I?ll request it again and see. Bryon From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 4:30 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]: Re: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF External Email Hm. I just downloaded the file from Cengage, and had no trouble extracting different sections, regardless of their page numbering. I wonder if you have a corrupted copy? -Susan From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:24 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF Hi Susan, When I select the pages and right click I get a message that says ?Please enter a valid page number.? I remember that before, when I right click, there used to be a page label option where I could take the letters out, but I am not given that option with this particular PDF. I am going to try Neal Sorensen?s approach and see if that works. Thanks, Bryon From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:57 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]: Re: [Athen] Unable to extract a PDF External Email Are you selecting the pages you want to extract, then right-clicking and choose extract? That SHOULD work (and works for me even when the pages are numbered weirdly). Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:09 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' > Subject: [Athen] Unable to extract a PDF Hi wise ones, I received a PDF for ?New Perspectives Microsoft office 365 and excel 2019? and the PDF is set up in sections where the page numbers begin with a letter (EX 1-1, EX 1-2, etc), my Adobe Acrobat DC Pro will not extract because of the letters that begin the pages instead of numbers. Is there a work around for this? Thanks ? as always. Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs This message is not from a UTC.EDU address. Caution should be used in clicking links and downloading attachments from unknown senders or unexpected email. This message is not from a UTC.EDU address. Caution should be used in clicking links and downloading attachments from unknown senders or unexpected email. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list This message is not from a UTC.EDU address. Caution should be used in clicking links and downloading attachments from unknown senders or unexpected email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Typically, the extracted PDF?s are what students are requesting. I re-requested the file and am still getting the same error message. If it?s a loose-leaf hard copy of the book, I may request to scan the student?s version. Bryon From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 4:45 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]: Re: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF External Email Bryon, Do you save the original PDF in your files? I know it seems like an obvious question. I create a whole folder of different formats for a particular text, including a separate sub-folder for the original, then one for extracted txt, and one for e-text, MSW or tagged PDF, etc. Wink Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:35 PM Kluesner, Bryon > wrote: Guess I?ll request it again and see. Bryon From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 4:30 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]: Re: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF External Email Hm. I just downloaded the file from Cengage, and had no trouble extracting different sections, regardless of their page numbering. I wonder if you have a corrupted copy? -Susan From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:24 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF Hi Susan, When I select the pages and right click I get a message that says ?Please enter a valid page number.? I remember that before, when I right click, there used to be a page label option where I could take the letters out, but I am not given that option with this particular PDF. I am going to try Neal Sorensen?s approach and see if that works. Thanks, Bryon From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:57 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]: Re: [Athen] Unable to extract a PDF External Email Are you selecting the pages you want to extract, then right-clicking and choose extract? That SHOULD work (and works for me even when the pages are numbered weirdly). Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:09 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' > Subject: [Athen] Unable to extract a PDF Hi wise ones, I received a PDF for ?New Perspectives Microsoft office 365 and excel 2019? and the PDF is set up in sections where the page numbers begin with a letter (EX 1-1, EX 1-2, etc), my Adobe Acrobat DC Pro will not extract because of the letters that begin the pages instead of numbers. Is there a work around for this? Thanks ? as always. Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs This message is not from a UTC.EDU address. Caution should be used in clicking links and downloading attachments from unknown senders or unexpected email. This message is not from a UTC.EDU address. Caution should be used in clicking links and downloading attachments from unknown senders or unexpected email. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list This message is not from a UTC.EDU address. Caution should be used in clicking links and downloading attachments from unknown senders or unexpected email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu Wed Jan 15 14:37:54 2020 From: Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu (Kluesner, Bryon) Date: Wed Jan 15 14:38:28 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: [EXT]: Re: [EXT]: Re: [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Susan, that would be most welcome. I will call out IT people and see if I can do a re-nstall of the Adobe Acrobat DC Pro. We have some odd contract with Adobe for their products. Have a nice evening. Bryon From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:31 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT]: Re: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: [EXT]: Re: [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF External Email Bryon, if you can wait until tomorrow, I?ll process the whole book and send it to you. Sorry you?re having trouble with this file, but it is at least working for me right now. I wonder if your version of Acrobat has a problem? Maybe do a repair if you can? -Susan From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 3:18 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: [EXT]: Re: [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF Hi Wink, I save the original PDF file and the extracted PDF chapters. Typically, the extracted PDF?s are what students are requesting. I re-requested the file and am still getting the same error message. If it?s a loose-leaf hard copy of the book, I may request to scan the student?s version. Bryon From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Wink Harner Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 4:45 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]: Re: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF External Email Bryon, Do you save the original PDF in your files? I know it seems like an obvious question. I create a whole folder of different formats for a particular text, including a separate sub-folder for the original, then one for extracted txt, and one for e-text, MSW or tagged PDF, etc. Wink Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:35 PM Kluesner, Bryon > wrote: Guess I?ll request it again and see. Bryon From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 4:30 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]: Re: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF External Email Hm. I just downloaded the file from Cengage, and had no trouble extracting different sections, regardless of their page numbering. I wonder if you have a corrupted copy? -Susan From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:24 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: Unable to extract a PDF Hi Susan, When I select the pages and right click I get a message that says ?Please enter a valid page number.? I remember that before, when I right click, there used to be a page label option where I could take the letters out, but I am not given that option with this particular PDF. I am going to try Neal Sorensen?s approach and see if that works. Thanks, Bryon From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:57 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]: Re: [Athen] Unable to extract a PDF External Email Are you selecting the pages you want to extract, then right-clicking and choose extract? That SHOULD work (and works for me even when the pages are numbered weirdly). Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:09 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' > Subject: [Athen] Unable to extract a PDF Hi wise ones, I received a PDF for ?New Perspectives Microsoft office 365 and excel 2019? and the PDF is set up in sections where the page numbers begin with a letter (EX 1-1, EX 1-2, etc), my Adobe Acrobat DC Pro will not extract because of the letters that begin the pages instead of numbers. Is there a work around for this? Thanks ? as always. Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs This message is not from a UTC.EDU address. Caution should be used in clicking links and downloading attachments from unknown senders or unexpected email. This message is not from a UTC.EDU address. 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She deleted and downloaded the desktop, but the pen is still telling her that the pen is not authorized with her desktop. Has anyone experienced this, if so any suggestions on how I can get the student up and running with the Live Scribe pen? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From justinr at disability.tamu.edu Thu Jan 16 11:42:19 2020 From: justinr at disability.tamu.edu (Justin Romack) Date: Thu Jan 16 11:42:48 2020 Subject: [Athen] Live Scribe Echo desktop issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7991a1a3e96841b5845592460e6429f6@disability.tamu.edu> Might try the flash utility and firmware update tool, which can be found at: https://livescribe.helpscoutdocs.com/article/640-29000-echo-pulse-livescribe-desktop-users-manual-windows-smartpen-firmware-update-utility I've never seen this behavior, but have fixed many a wonky smartpen with this tool. Hope that helps ... and the start-of-the-semester curveballs ease up a tad. Thanks, J - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Justin Romack | Assistive Technology Coordinator Disability Resources | Texas A&M University 1224 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-1224 ph: 979.845.1637 | justinr@disability.tamu.edu | disability.tamu.edu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DIVISION OF STUDENT AFFAIRS | One Division. One Mission. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 12:49 PM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' Subject: [Athen] Live Scribe Echo desktop issue Hi my Athen friends, Another question as week 2 of the semester comes to an end. I have a student that was loaned an Echo Live Scribe pen. She downloaded the Echo desktop and synched her pen to it. When she went to write in a notebook, then pen said she needed to do an update, but the Echo desktop said she had the most current update when the pen was plugged in. I attempted to do an update, but the pen said it had all current updates. So, I loaned her a different pen so I can look closer to the former pen for issues. I just received an email from the student saying the Echo desktop is not letting her register her new pen. She deleted and downloaded the desktop, but the pen is still telling her that the pen is not authorized with her desktop. Has anyone experienced this, if so any suggestions on how I can get the student up and running with the Live Scribe pen? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vwalton at columbiabasin.edu Thu Jan 16 13:37:09 2020 From: vwalton at columbiabasin.edu (Walton, Vicki) Date: Thu Jan 16 13:38:04 2020 Subject: [Athen] Live Scribe Echo desktop issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is why we do not let the student do any of this stuff. They can use the pen and book but we do the archiving and cleaning. We do not let them use the Echo desktop; we explain this to them when they come check it out for the quarter. They use the book to study and if they want their notes at the end of the quarter we send them through Canvas. And our department is the only one on the registration of the pen. [Visit the CBC Website] Vicki Walton (they/them) Assistive Technology Center 509.542.4428, or ext. 2428 2600 N. 20th Ave., Pasco, WA 99301 [Follow CBC on Facebook] [Follow CBC on Instagram] [Follow CBC on Twitter] [Follow CBC on YouTube] [Follow CBC on Snapchat] [We All Soar Together] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 10:49 AM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' Subject: [Athen] Live Scribe Echo desktop issue CAUTION: This email originated outside Columbia Basin College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Questions? Call the IS Helpdesk at x2353 or email ishelp@columbiabasin.edu. Hi my Athen friends, Another question as week 2 of the semester comes to an end. I have a student that was loaned an Echo Live Scribe pen. She downloaded the Echo desktop and synched her pen to it. When she went to write in a notebook, then pen said she needed to do an update, but the Echo desktop said she had the most current update when the pen was plugged in. I attempted to do an update, but the pen said it had all current updates. So, I loaned her a different pen so I can look closer to the former pen for issues. I just received an email from the student saying the Echo desktop is not letting her register her new pen. She deleted and downloaded the desktop, but the pen is still telling her that the pen is not authorized with her desktop. Has anyone experienced this, if so any suggestions on how I can get the student up and running with the Live Scribe pen? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 13559 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 646 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 1013 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I ask at the end of the semester if they would like the notes and send them through OneDrive. Alice Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.C.C. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7699 (fax) East TN Region Accessibility Specialist Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus PSCC Access for All Blog PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page (PSCC-Disability Services) PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed (@Access4allPSCC) From: athen-list On Behalf Of Walton, Vicki Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 4:37 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [External] Re: [Athen] Live Scribe Echo desktop issue CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Pellissippi State. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. This is why we do not let the student do any of this stuff. They can use the pen and book but we do the archiving and cleaning. We do not let them use the Echo desktop; we explain this to them when they come check it out for the quarter. They use the book to study and if they want their notes at the end of the quarter we send them through Canvas. And our department is the only one on the registration of the pen. [Visit the CBC Website] Vicki Walton (they/them) Assistive Technology Center 509.542.4428, or ext. 2428 2600 N. 20th Ave., Pasco, WA 99301 [Follow CBC on Facebook] [Follow CBC on Instagram] [Follow CBC on Twitter] [Follow CBC on YouTube] [Follow CBC on Snapchat] [We All Soar Together] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 10:49 AM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' > Subject: [Athen] Live Scribe Echo desktop issue CAUTION: This email originated outside Columbia Basin College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Questions? Call the IS Helpdesk at x2353 or email ishelp@columbiabasin.edu. Hi my Athen friends, Another question as week 2 of the semester comes to an end. I have a student that was loaned an Echo Live Scribe pen. She downloaded the Echo desktop and synched her pen to it. When she went to write in a notebook, then pen said she needed to do an update, but the Echo desktop said she had the most current update when the pen was plugged in. I attempted to do an update, but the pen said it had all current updates. So, I loaned her a different pen so I can look closer to the former pen for issues. I just received an email from the student saying the Echo desktop is not letting her register her new pen. She deleted and downloaded the desktop, but the pen is still telling her that the pen is not authorized with her desktop. Has anyone experienced this, if so any suggestions on how I can get the student up and running with the Live Scribe pen? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 13559 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 646 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 1013 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If the student asks for the notes, they can be exported through Echo Desktop as a PDF. Robert On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:07 PM Wershing, Alice D. wrote: > We also do not let the student register the pen to their laptops. It was > too difficult the year that I tried this, so all of my pens are registered > to a school email address and password. I ask at the end of the semester > if they would like the notes and send them through OneDrive. > > Alice > > > > > > Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.C.C. > > Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community > College > > 865-694-6751 > > 865-539-7699 (fax) > > > > East TN Region Accessibility Specialist > > > Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus > > > > PSCC Access for All Blog > > PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page > (PSCC-Disability Services) > > PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed > (@Access4allPSCC) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Walton, Vicki > *Sent:* Thursday, January 16, 2020 4:37 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [External] Re: [Athen] Live Scribe Echo desktop issue > > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Pellissippi State. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > the content is safe. > > > > This is why we do not let the student do any of this stuff. They can use > the pen and book but we do the archiving and cleaning. We do not let them > use the Echo desktop; we explain this to them when they come check it out > for the quarter. They use the book to study and if they want their notes > at the end of the quarter we send them through Canvas. And our department > is the only one on the registration of the pen. > > > > > > [image: Visit the CBC Website] > > > *Vicki Walton (**they/them**)* > > *Assistive Technology Center *509.542.4428, or ext. 2428 > 2600 N. 20th Ave., Pasco, WA 99301 > > [image: Follow CBC on Facebook] > [image: Follow CBC on > Instagram] [image: Follow CBC on > Twitter] [image: Follow CBC on > YouTube] [image: Follow > CBC on Snapchat] > > [image: We All Soar Together] > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Kluesner, Bryon > *Sent:* Thursday, January 16, 2020 10:49 AM > *To:* 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' > *Subject:* [Athen] Live Scribe Echo desktop issue > > > > *CAUTION:* This email originated outside Columbia Basin College. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. > Questions? Call the IS Helpdesk at x2353 or email ishelp@columbiabasin.edu > . > > Hi my Athen friends, > > > > Another question as week 2 of the semester comes to an end. > > > > I have a student that was loaned an Echo Live Scribe pen. She downloaded > the Echo desktop and synched her pen to it. When she went to write in a > notebook, then pen said she needed to do an update, but the Echo desktop > said she had the most current update when the pen was plugged in. I > attempted to do an update, but the pen said it had all current updates. So, > I loaned her a different pen so I can look closer to the former pen for > issues. I just received an email from the student saying the Echo desktop > is not letting her register her new pen. She deleted and downloaded the > desktop, but the pen is still telling her that the pen is not authorized > with her desktop. > > > > Has anyone experienced this, if so any suggestions on how I can get the > student up and running with the Live Scribe pen? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bryon > > > > > > Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP > > Adaptive Technology Coordinator > > Disability Resource Center > > University of Tennessee at Chattanooga > > 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 > > Chattanooga, TN 37403 > > 423-425-5251 > > > > Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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But, I do see the theory behind how you handle the pens. I received some useful tips (I hope) from Justin Romack, so I am going to try that. The student also emailed Live Scribe and they gave the student some options to try. I appreciate all the feedback I have received. This is an awesome community! Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs From: athen-list On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 4:59 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT]: Re: [Athen] [External] Re: Live Scribe Echo desktop issue External Email We also do not let the student register the pen to their laptops. It was too difficult the year that I tried this, so all of my pens are registered to a school email address and password. I ask at the end of the semester if they would like the notes and send them through OneDrive. Alice Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.C.C. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7699 (fax) East TN Region Accessibility Specialist Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus PSCC Access for All Blog PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page (PSCC-Disability Services) PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed (@Access4allPSCC) From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Walton, Vicki Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 4:37 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [External] Re: [Athen] Live Scribe Echo desktop issue CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Pellissippi State. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. This is why we do not let the student do any of this stuff. They can use the pen and book but we do the archiving and cleaning. We do not let them use the Echo desktop; we explain this to them when they come check it out for the quarter. They use the book to study and if they want their notes at the end of the quarter we send them through Canvas. And our department is the only one on the registration of the pen. [Visit the CBC Website] Vicki Walton (they/them) Assistive Technology Center 509.542.4428, or ext. 2428 2600 N. 20th Ave., Pasco, WA 99301 [Follow CBC on Facebook] [Follow CBC on Instagram] [Follow CBC on Twitter] [Follow CBC on YouTube] [Follow CBC on Snapchat] [We All Soar Together] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 10:49 AM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' > Subject: [Athen] Live Scribe Echo desktop issue CAUTION: This email originated outside Columbia Basin College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Questions? Call the IS Helpdesk at x2353 or email ishelp@columbiabasin.edu. Hi my Athen friends, Another question as week 2 of the semester comes to an end. I have a student that was loaned an Echo Live Scribe pen. She downloaded the Echo desktop and synched her pen to it. When she went to write in a notebook, then pen said she needed to do an update, but the Echo desktop said she had the most current update when the pen was plugged in. I attempted to do an update, but the pen said it had all current updates. So, I loaned her a different pen so I can look closer to the former pen for issues. I just received an email from the student saying the Echo desktop is not letting her register her new pen. She deleted and downloaded the desktop, but the pen is still telling her that the pen is not authorized with her desktop. Has anyone experienced this, if so any suggestions on how I can get the student up and running with the Live Scribe pen? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs This message is not from a UTC.EDU address. Caution should be used in clicking links and downloading attachments from unknown senders or unexpected email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 13559 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 646 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[Visit the CBC Website] Vicki Walton (they/them) Assistive Technology Center 509.542.4428, or ext. 2428 2600 N. 20th Ave., Pasco, WA 99301 [Follow CBC on Facebook] [Follow CBC on Instagram] [Follow CBC on Twitter] [Follow CBC on YouTube] [Follow CBC on Snapchat] [We All Soar Together] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 2:28 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [External] Re: Live Scribe Echo desktop issue CAUTION: This email originated outside Columbia Basin College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Questions? Call the IS Helpdesk at x2353 or email ishelp@columbiabasin.edu. Hello: Is there a benefit in registering the pens? I don't bother doing this. I just clear them with Echo Desktop when they're returned by archiving and deleting the notebook. If the student asks for the notes, they can be exported through Echo Desktop as a PDF. Robert On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 5:07 PM Wershing, Alice D. > wrote: We also do not let the student register the pen to their laptops. It was too difficult the year that I tried this, so all of my pens are registered to a school email address and password. I ask at the end of the semester if they would like the notes and send them through OneDrive. Alice Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.C.C. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7699 (fax) East TN Region Accessibility Specialist Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus PSCC Access for All Blog PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page (PSCC-Disability Services) PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed (@Access4allPSCC) From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Walton, Vicki Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 4:37 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [External] Re: [Athen] Live Scribe Echo desktop issue CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Pellissippi State. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. This is why we do not let the student do any of this stuff. They can use the pen and book but we do the archiving and cleaning. We do not let them use the Echo desktop; we explain this to them when they come check it out for the quarter. They use the book to study and if they want their notes at the end of the quarter we send them through Canvas. And our department is the only one on the registration of the pen. [Visit the CBC Website] Vicki Walton (they/them) Assistive Technology Center 509.542.4428, or ext. 2428 2600 N. 20th Ave., Pasco, WA 99301 [Follow CBC on Facebook] [Follow CBC on Instagram] [Follow CBC on Twitter] [Follow CBC on YouTube] [Follow CBC on Snapchat] [We All Soar Together] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 10:49 AM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' > Subject: [Athen] Live Scribe Echo desktop issue CAUTION: This email originated outside Columbia Basin College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Questions? Call the IS Helpdesk at x2353 or email ishelp@columbiabasin.edu. Hi my Athen friends, Another question as week 2 of the semester comes to an end. I have a student that was loaned an Echo Live Scribe pen. She downloaded the Echo desktop and synched her pen to it. When she went to write in a notebook, then pen said she needed to do an update, but the Echo desktop said she had the most current update when the pen was plugged in. I attempted to do an update, but the pen said it had all current updates. So, I loaned her a different pen so I can look closer to the former pen for issues. I just received an email from the student saying the Echo desktop is not letting her register her new pen. She deleted and downloaded the desktop, but the pen is still telling her that the pen is not authorized with her desktop. Has anyone experienced this, if so any suggestions on how I can get the student up and running with the Live Scribe pen? 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[Visit the CBC Website] Vicki Walton (they/them) Assistive Technology Center 509.542.4428, or ext. 2428 2600 N. 20th Ave., Pasco, WA 99301 [Follow CBC on Facebook] [Follow CBC on Instagram] [Follow CBC on Twitter] [Follow CBC on YouTube] [Follow CBC on Snapchat] [We All Soar Together] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 2:35 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]: Re: [External] Re: Live Scribe Echo desktop issue CAUTION: This email originated outside Columbia Basin College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Questions? Call the IS Helpdesk at x2353 or email ishelp@columbiabasin.edu. Our pens are only 2 gb and students were running out of space on the pen, so that is why we let them use the Echo desktop, so they can archive and keep their notes separately. But, I do see the theory behind how you handle the pens. I received some useful tips (I hope) from Justin Romack, so I am going to try that. The student also emailed Live Scribe and they gave the student some options to try. I appreciate all the feedback I have received. This is an awesome community! Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Wershing, Alice D. Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 4:59 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]: Re: [Athen] [External] Re: Live Scribe Echo desktop issue External Email We also do not let the student register the pen to their laptops. It was too difficult the year that I tried this, so all of my pens are registered to a school email address and password. I ask at the end of the semester if they would like the notes and send them through OneDrive. Alice Alice D. Wershing, M.Ed., A.T.P., C.P.A.C.C. Disability Services, Technology Specialist Pellissippi State Community College 865-694-6751 865-539-7699 (fax) East TN Region Accessibility Specialist Tenessee Board of Regents-TN eCampus PSCC Access for All Blog PSCC Accessible Format Facebook Page (PSCC-Disability Services) PSCC Access4All Twitter Feed (@Access4allPSCC) From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Walton, Vicki Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 4:37 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [External] Re: [Athen] Live Scribe Echo desktop issue CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Pellissippi State. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. This is why we do not let the student do any of this stuff. They can use the pen and book but we do the archiving and cleaning. We do not let them use the Echo desktop; we explain this to them when they come check it out for the quarter. They use the book to study and if they want their notes at the end of the quarter we send them through Canvas. And our department is the only one on the registration of the pen. [Visit the CBC Website] Vicki Walton (they/them) Assistive Technology Center 509.542.4428, or ext. 2428 2600 N. 20th Ave., Pasco, WA 99301 [Follow CBC on Facebook] [Follow CBC on Instagram] [Follow CBC on Twitter] [Follow CBC on YouTube] [Follow CBC on Snapchat] [We All Soar Together] From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 10:49 AM To: 'athen-list@u.washington.edu' > Subject: [Athen] Live Scribe Echo desktop issue CAUTION: This email originated outside Columbia Basin College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Questions? Call the IS Helpdesk at x2353 or email ishelp@columbiabasin.edu. Hi my Athen friends, Another question as week 2 of the semester comes to an end. I have a student that was loaned an Echo Live Scribe pen. She downloaded the Echo desktop and synched her pen to it. When she went to write in a notebook, then pen said she needed to do an update, but the Echo desktop said she had the most current update when the pen was plugged in. I attempted to do an update, but the pen said it had all current updates. So, I loaned her a different pen so I can look closer to the former pen for issues. I just received an email from the student saying the Echo desktop is not letting her register her new pen. She deleted and downloaded the desktop, but the pen is still telling her that the pen is not authorized with her desktop. Has anyone experienced this, if so any suggestions on how I can get the student up and running with the Live Scribe pen? Thanks, Bryon Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATACP Adaptive Technology Coordinator Disability Resource Center University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953 Chattanooga, TN 37403 423-425-5251 Member of Division of Enrollment Management and Student Affairs This message is not from a UTC.EDU address. Caution should be used in clicking links and downloading attachments from unknown senders or unexpected email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 13559 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 646 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Our version Duxbury has gotten corrupted and won't open. We have already converted the file to .brf and just need to emboss. Is there another quickly obtainable application that can be use to send the file to the embosser. Laura Loree, M.A.Ed., CPACC, CTFL EIT Accessibility Manager Utah Valley University Email: laura.loree@uvu.edu Phone: 801-863-6788 Room: FL-111-F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From popish at pdx.edu Thu Jan 16 16:50:05 2020 From: popish at pdx.edu (Mary Popish) Date: Thu Jan 16 16:51:07 2020 Subject: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks Message-ID: Hello, everyone! I have a question about how different campuses manage alternate format delivery for textbooks when the required edition is different from a digital version that your office may already have from a previous year or other student. For example, if your office has a digital version of the sixth edition of a textbook and a student has purchased the seventh edition but needs some remediation to make the book accessible digitally, what do you do? Do you request the seventh edition from the publisher (or Bookshare, or AccessText, or whatever your process is)? Do you check with the student and the instructor and deliver the sixth edition if it would still work for the class? What about copyright, since the student bought a different edition of the book? We've been talking about this a lot in our office, and we haven't landed on a great solution yet. I'd love to hear how other offices handle this sort of thing. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much! Mary *Mary Popish* Adaptive Technology Specialist & Alternate Formats Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Phone: (503) 725-9119 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: drc@pdx.edu URL: http://www.pdx.edu/drc Pronouns: she / her / hers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bcb4y at virginia.edu Thu Jan 16 17:23:49 2020 From: bcb4y at virginia.edu (Butler, Brandon (bcb4y)) Date: Thu Jan 16 17:24:01 2020 Subject: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0E440333-62D5-4DF7-B21E-2C2C58DF34CA@virginia.edu> Hi Mary, On the copyright issue, I wouldn?t worry. There is actually no need for the student to buy the textbook at all (see our white paper about copyright and accessibility) unless the publisher requires it as part of an arrangement you have with them (such as through the Access Text Network) and you?ve agreed to comply with that requirement. But in that case, I would definitely get the latest edition from the publisher. Best, Brandon On Jan 16, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Mary Popish > wrote: Hello, everyone! I have a question about how different campuses manage alternate format delivery for textbooks when the required edition is different from a digital version that your office may already have from a previous year or other student. For example, if your office has a digital version of the sixth edition of a textbook and a student has purchased the seventh edition but needs some remediation to make the book accessible digitally, what do you do? Do you request the seventh edition from the publisher (or Bookshare, or AccessText, or whatever your process is)? Do you check with the student and the instructor and deliver the sixth edition if it would still work for the class? What about copyright, since the student bought a different edition of the book? We've been talking about this a lot in our office, and we haven't landed on a great solution yet. I'd love to hear how other offices handle this sort of thing. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much! Mary Mary Popish Adaptive Technology Specialist & Alternate Formats Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Phone: (503) 725-9119 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: drc@pdx.edu URL: http://www.pdx.edu/drc Pronouns: she / her / hers _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 17:56:15 2020 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Thu Jan 16 17:56:33 2020 Subject: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks Message-ID: Brandon, Do none of your students have to buy/borrow/rent textbooks for classes? Wink Harner On January 16, 2020, at 5:24 PM, "Butler, Brandon (bcb4y)" wrote: Hi Mary, On the copyright issue, I wouldn?t worry. There is actually no need for the student to buy the textbook at all (see our?white paper?about copyright and accessibility) unless the publisher requires it as part of an arrangement you have with them (such as through the Access Text Network) and you?ve agreed to comply with that requirement. But in that case, I would definitely get the latest edition from the publisher.? Best, Brandon On Jan 16, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Mary Popish wrote: Hello, everyone! I have a question about how different campuses manage alternate format delivery for textbooks when the required edition?is different from a digital version?that your office may already have from a previous year or other student. For example, if your office has a digital version of the sixth?edition of a textbook and a student has purchased the seventh edition but needs some remediation to make the book accessible digitally, what do you do? Do you request the seventh edition from the publisher (or Bookshare, or AccessText, or whatever your process is)? Do you check with the student and the instructor and deliver the sixth edition if it would still work for the class? What about copyright, since the student bought a different edition of the book? We've been talking about this a lot in our office, and we haven't landed on a great solution yet. I'd love to hear how other offices handle this sort?of thing. Any input would?be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much! Mary Mary Popish Adaptive Technology Specialist & Alternate Formats Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University ? Phone: (503) 725-9119 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email:?drc@pdx.edu URL:?http://www.pdx.edu/drc Pronouns: she / her / hers _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bcb4y at virginia.edu Thu Jan 16 18:38:15 2020 From: bcb4y at virginia.edu (Butler, Brandon (bcb4y)) Date: Thu Jan 16 18:38:28 2020 Subject: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <616EF708-EB8D-4093-A22C-91F9E5FB97C6@virginia.edu> Hi Wink, All but the ones who cannot read the formats that textbook publishers have chosen to make available for purchase/loan/rent. The law empowers libraries and others to provide copies to folks with print disabilities outside the market context, because the market has massively, systemically failed to serve folks with disabilities. You can learn more in our white paper, linked in my last post. Best, Brandon On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:56 PM, Wink Harner > wrote: Brandon, Do none of your students have to buy/borrow/rent textbooks for classes? Wink Harner On January 16, 2020, at 5:24 PM, "Butler, Brandon (bcb4y)" > wrote: Hi Mary, On the copyright issue, I wouldn?t worry. There is actually no need for the student to buy the textbook at all (see our white paper about copyright and accessibility) unless the publisher requires it as part of an arrangement you have with them (such as through the Access Text Network) and you?ve agreed to comply with that requirement. But in that case, I would definitely get the latest edition from the publisher. Best, Brandon On Jan 16, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Mary Popish > wrote: Hello, everyone! I have a question about how different campuses manage alternate format delivery for textbooks when the required edition is different from a digital version that your office may already have from a previous year or other student. For example, if your office has a digital version of the sixth edition of a textbook and a student has purchased the seventh edition but needs some remediation to make the book accessible digitally, what do you do? Do you request the seventh edition from the publisher (or Bookshare, or AccessText, or whatever your process is)? Do you check with the student and the instructor and deliver the sixth edition if it would still work for the class? What about copyright, since the student bought a different edition of the book? We've been talking about this a lot in our office, and we haven't landed on a great solution yet. I'd love to hear how other offices handle this sort of thing. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much! Mary Mary Popish Adaptive Technology Specialist & Alternate Formats Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Phone: (503) 725-9119 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: drc@pdx.edu URL: http://www.pdx.edu/drc Pronouns: she / her / hers _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 00:15:25 2020 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Fri Jan 17 00:15:45 2020 Subject: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks In-Reply-To: <616EF708-EB8D-4093-A22C-91F9E5FB97C6@virginia.edu> References: <616EF708-EB8D-4093-A22C-91F9E5FB97C6@virginia.edu> Message-ID: Brandon, I work in the field. It?s my understanding that if non-disabled students are expected to purchase/rent/borrow their course books, the students with print related disabilities must purchase their books as well. Proof of ownership or possession is required by copyright law. Why hold up a double standard? Just curious at your justification. Anyone could check the material out from the library, if there are enough copies. Are you asserting that because the library owns one copy of a book, this exempts disabled students from being required to purchase/rent/borrow their books? It is not the publishers? legal responsibility to provide accessible copies of their published books. Should they? A question which we may resolve during our careers. Perhaps. But to knowingly expose your college to a violation of current copyright law seems risky to me. Thanks for indulging me my questions & concerns. Wink On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 6:38 PM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) wrote: > Hi Wink, > > All but the ones who cannot read the formats that textbook publishers have > chosen to make available for purchase/loan/rent. The law empowers libraries > and others to provide copies to folks with print disabilities outside the > market context, because the market has massively, systemically failed to > serve folks with disabilities. You can learn more in our white paper, > linked in my last post. > > Best, > Brandon > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:56 PM, Wink Harner wrote: > > Brandon, > > Do none of your students have to buy/borrow/rent textbooks for classes? > > Wink Harner > > > On January 16, 2020, at 5:24 PM, "Butler, Brandon (bcb4y)" < > bcb4y@virginia.edu> wrote: > > > Hi Mary, > > On the copyright issue, I wouldn?t worry. There is actually no need for > the student to buy the textbook at all (see our white paper > about > copyright and accessibility) unless the publisher requires it as part of an > arrangement you have with them (such as through the Access Text Network) > and you?ve agreed to comply with that requirement. But in that case, I > would definitely get the latest edition from the publisher. > > Best, > Brandon > > On Jan 16, 2020, at 7:50 PM, Mary Popish wrote: > > Hello, everyone! > > I have a question about how different campuses manage alternate format > delivery for textbooks when the required edition is different from a > digital version that your office may already have from a previous year or > other student. For example, if your office has a digital version of the > sixth edition of a textbook and a student has purchased the seventh edition > but needs some remediation to make the book accessible digitally, what do > you do? Do you request the seventh edition from the publisher (or > Bookshare, or AccessText, or whatever your process is)? Do you check with > the student and the instructor and deliver the sixth edition if it would > still work for the class? What about copyright, since the student bought a > different edition of the book? > > We've been talking about this a lot in our office, and we haven't landed > on a great solution yet. I'd love to hear how other offices handle this > sort of thing. > > Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much! > > Mary > > *Mary Popish* > Adaptive Technology Specialist & Alternate Formats Coordinator > Disability Resource Center > Portland State University > > Phone: (503) 725-9119 > Fax: (503) 725-4103 > Email: drc@pdx.edu > URL: http://www.pdx.edu/drc > Pronouns: she / her / hers > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Wink Harner Assistive Technology Consulting and Training Alternative Text Production Portland OR. foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is still a very grey area, and it is better to err on the side of caution until further clarification from the courts or the federal government. A white paper is not law, it is simply an opinion piece. I ask for proof of ownership from the student (aka, show me your book). And I give students the version they are requesting and have obtained. There are some publishers that require proof of purchase before they provide files, which means I then do ask the student for a receipt, which I heavily redact of any personal/identifying information and provide to the publisher. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Mary Popish Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 5:50 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks Hello, everyone! I have a question about how different campuses manage alternate format delivery for textbooks when the required edition is different from a digital version that your office may already have from a previous year or other student. For example, if your office has a digital version of the sixth edition of a textbook and a student has purchased the seventh edition but needs some remediation to make the book accessible digitally, what do you do? Do you request the seventh edition from the publisher (or Bookshare, or AccessText, or whatever your process is)? Do you check with the student and the instructor and deliver the sixth edition if it would still work for the class? What about copyright, since the student bought a different edition of the book? We've been talking about this a lot in our office, and we haven't landed on a great solution yet. I'd love to hear how other offices handle this sort of thing. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much! Mary Mary Popish Adaptive Technology Specialist & Alternate Formats Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Phone: (503) 725-9119 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: drc@pdx.edu URL: http://www.pdx.edu/drc Pronouns: she / her / hers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Fri Jan 17 07:06:26 2020 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Fri Jan 17 07:06:31 2020 Subject: [Athen] Help with Brailling solution In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you called Duxbury? They should be able to help you sort it out pretty quickly! Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Laura Loree Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 4:06 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Help with Brailling solution We are in the middle of processing a braille math book for a student. Our version Duxbury has gotten corrupted and won't open. We have already converted the file to .brf and just need to emboss. Is there another quickly obtainable application that can be use to send the file to the embosser. 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I would also look at this page. https://pjb.com.au/blin/ Good luck! -Andi :) -------------------------- Andrea Dietrich She / Her / Hers Accommodation Specialist Student Disability Services Cornell University Cornell Health, Level 5 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853 Email: adietrich@cornell.edu Phone: (607) 254-4545 Fax: (607) 255-1562 Web: sds.cornell.edu *Please note that confidentiality of non-encrypted e-mail communication cannot be guaranteed. If you are NOT the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and destroy this message. Disclosure of any information contained in this message to someone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Schwarte, David M. Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 10:00 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Resources for Computer Science and a Screenreader User Hello Everyone, I will be working with a student in Computer Science this spring. It has been a few years, probably coming up on 10, since I have worked with a screenreader user in this field. The students first question was about a Linux text editor that would be screenreader friendly. It has been long-enough that I don't even know if the terminal programs I last used, let alone any text editors, are even still available. Does anyone know of web resources, and e-mail list etc., that I can work with to take a crash course and try to get caught up? Thanks, David Schwarte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarositz at csudh.edu Fri Jan 17 07:40:29 2020 From: smarositz at csudh.edu (Stephen (Alex) Marositz) Date: Fri Jan 17 07:40:46 2020 Subject: [Athen] Resources for Computer Science and a Screenreader User In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings David I've found Pluma to be the best text editor for use with Orca. It comes preinstalled with Mate but in actuality most text editors work fine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluma_(editor) Now, it will not have some of the more advanced features that a programing text editor will have of course. HTH Stephen Alex Marositz ATI Coordinator CSUDH Ext 3077 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Schwarte, David M. Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 7:00 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network (athen-list@u.washington.edu) Subject: [Athen] Resources for Computer Science and a Screenreader User CAUTION: This email originated from outside of CSUDH. Do not click links or open attachments unless you validate the sender and know the content is safe. Please forward this email to iso@csudh.edu if you believe this email is suspicious. Hello Everyone, I will be working with a student in Computer Science this spring. It has been a few years, probably coming up on 10, since I have worked with a screenreader user in this field. The students first question was about a Linux text editor that would be screenreader friendly. It has been long-enough that I don't even know if the terminal programs I last used, let alone any text editors, are even still available. Does anyone know of web resources, and e-mail list etc., that I can work with to take a crash course and try to get caught up? Thanks, David Schwarte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bcb4y at virginia.edu Fri Jan 17 08:09:27 2020 From: bcb4y at virginia.edu (Butler, Brandon (bcb4y)) Date: Fri Jan 17 08:11:22 2020 Subject: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, With all due respect to Susan and Wink, the claim that purchase is required by copyright law has no basis in copyright law. I am a copyright lawyer and one of the authors of the white paper, which was based in part on a convening of copyright experts, including lawyers from the University Counsels? offices at UVA and the University of Michigan, the counsel to the Internet Archive, counsel to the Association of Research Libraries, and my friend Blake Reid, who is a professor at CU's law school and the Director of the IP Policy Clinic there. (The full list is in the Acknowledgments section of the paper.) I?m sure Blake would be happy to talk to you about the project if you have questions, Susan. He?s an expert in both disability law and copyright law. I can also assure you that the analysis in the white paper applies expressly to DSOs, universities, and even large groups of universities, and not only to libraries. It is based on legal provisions and precedent that apply broadly to any authorized entity (in the case of Section 121) and to any lawful user (in the case of Section 107). Finally, if you wait for more caselaw or for another revision of copyright, you may be waiting for a very long time, but luckily we have very recent caselaw AND revisions to copyright that make clear that no purchase is needed before accessible copies are provided to qualified recipients. The Authors Guild v. HathiTrust case is the only case ever to construe Section 121 or to apply Section 107 to accessibility. If we wanted to design the perfect case to prove that we can provide accessible copies to students without making them buy inaccessible copies, we couldn?t do much better than HathiTrust. In that case, the court considered whether the University of Michigan could provide accessible copies of books from the HathiTrust collection to students with print disabilities without any payment or permission from the copyright holders. The court said, categorically, yes. The recently-passed Marrakesh Treaty implementation bill made a few modifications to Section 121, and all of them were designed to expand accessibility. None of them added a purchase requirement, which did not exist prior to Marrakesh. So we have a recent case that is perfectly on point, and recent legislation that is also on our side. Anyway, that?s a short version of the much more detailed arguments in the white paper. I promise it?s not a tough read, and will reward your time and attention. Best, Brandon On Jan 17, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: Mary, The student deserves to have the right version of the textbook, period. If everyone else in the class, and the instructor, are using the 7th edition then why are you telling your student with a disability that they can only have the 6th? That is RIPE for a lawsuit filed by the student against your institution. Get the edition the student needs, remediate as necessary. That is our job, and we need to be doing our job. Ignore the people who have responded that your student doesn?t have to show proof of ownership (note I did not say proof of purchase). That white paper that is being tossed around covers LIBRARIES but does not cover DSOs producing alternate format directly. This is still a very grey area, and it is better to err on the side of caution until further clarification from the courts or the federal government. A white paper is not law, it is simply an opinion piece. I ask for proof of ownership from the student (aka, show me your book). And I give students the version they are requesting and have obtained. There are some publishers that require proof of purchase before they provide files, which means I then do ask the student for a receipt, which I heavily redact of any personal/identifying information and provide to the publisher. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Mary Popish Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 5:50 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks Hello, everyone! I have a question about how different campuses manage alternate format delivery for textbooks when the required edition is different from a digital version that your office may already have from a previous year or other student. For example, if your office has a digital version of the sixth edition of a textbook and a student has purchased the seventh edition but needs some remediation to make the book accessible digitally, what do you do? Do you request the seventh edition from the publisher (or Bookshare, or AccessText, or whatever your process is)? Do you check with the student and the instructor and deliver the sixth edition if it would still work for the class? What about copyright, since the student bought a different edition of the book? We've been talking about this a lot in our office, and we haven't landed on a great solution yet. I'd love to hear how other offices handle this sort of thing. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much! Mary Mary Popish Adaptive Technology Specialist & Alternate Formats Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Phone: (503) 725-9119 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: drc@pdx.edu URL: http://www.pdx.edu/drc Pronouns: she / her / hers _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Fri Jan 17 08:20:39 2020 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Fri Jan 17 08:21:08 2020 Subject: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have read the white paper. It made some interesting points, but it has not convinced me, or my legal counsel, that we should be giving away files to students who have not obtained some form of the book ? new, used, rental, digital download (aka Kindle/Nook), etc. If it was found out by non-disabled students that disabled students were getting their textbook materials for free, we would have an absolute RIOT on our hands, and it?s not a riot I want a part of. Also, I am an author. It pains me GREATLY to think that books that are written using blood, sweat, tears, AND MY TIME are just blithely given away to those with a disability, with no guilt or even thought to what that means. Authors are people too, and they are not writing for grins and giggles ? they are writing because it is how they make their living. Giving away files is no different in my mind than illegal file sharing of music, movies, etc. In fact, it IS illegal in my mind, as it brashly abuses copyright of the authors who are writing the books in the first place. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue. I?ve been doing this work for 20 years and not one single time have I felt it was appropriate to give files to students without proof of ownership/possession (note I did not say proof of purchase). Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 9:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks Hi all, With all due respect to Susan and Wink, the claim that purchase is required by copyright law has no basis in copyright law. I am a copyright lawyer and one of the authors of the white paper, which was based in part on a convening of copyright experts, including lawyers from the University Counsels? offices at UVA and the University of Michigan, the counsel to the Internet Archive, counsel to the Association of Research Libraries, and my friend Blake Reid, who is a professor at CU's law school and the Director of the IP Policy Clinic there. (The full list is in the Acknowledgments section of the paper.) I?m sure Blake would be happy to talk to you about the project if you have questions, Susan. He?s an expert in both disability law and copyright law. I can also assure you that the analysis in the white paper applies expressly to DSOs, universities, and even large groups of universities, and not only to libraries. It is based on legal provisions and precedent that apply broadly to any authorized entity (in the case of Section 121) and to any lawful user (in the case of Section 107). Finally, if you wait for more caselaw or for another revision of copyright, you may be waiting for a very long time, but luckily we have very recent caselaw AND revisions to copyright that make clear that no purchase is needed before accessible copies are provided to qualified recipients. The Authors Guild v. HathiTrust case is the only case ever to construe Section 121 or to apply Section 107 to accessibility. If we wanted to design the perfect case to prove that we can provide accessible copies to students without making them buy inaccessible copies, we couldn?t do much better than HathiTrust. In that case, the court considered whether the University of Michigan could provide accessible copies of books from the HathiTrust collection to students with print disabilities without any payment or permission from the copyright holders. The court said, categorically, yes. The recently-passed Marrakesh Treaty implementation bill made a few modifications to Section 121, and all of them were designed to expand accessibility. None of them added a purchase requirement, which did not exist prior to Marrakesh. So we have a recent case that is perfectly on point, and recent legislation that is also on our side. Anyway, that?s a short version of the much more detailed arguments in the white paper. I promise it?s not a tough read, and will reward your time and attention. Best, Brandon On Jan 17, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: Mary, The student deserves to have the right version of the textbook, period. If everyone else in the class, and the instructor, are using the 7th edition then why are you telling your student with a disability that they can only have the 6th? That is RIPE for a lawsuit filed by the student against your institution. Get the edition the student needs, remediate as necessary. That is our job, and we need to be doing our job. Ignore the people who have responded that your student doesn?t have to show proof of ownership (note I did not say proof of purchase). That white paper that is being tossed around covers LIBRARIES but does not cover DSOs producing alternate format directly. This is still a very grey area, and it is better to err on the side of caution until further clarification from the courts or the federal government. A white paper is not law, it is simply an opinion piece. I ask for proof of ownership from the student (aka, show me your book). And I give students the version they are requesting and have obtained. There are some publishers that require proof of purchase before they provide files, which means I then do ask the student for a receipt, which I heavily redact of any personal/identifying information and provide to the publisher. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Mary Popish Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 5:50 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks Hello, everyone! I have a question about how different campuses manage alternate format delivery for textbooks when the required edition is different from a digital version that your office may already have from a previous year or other student. For example, if your office has a digital version of the sixth edition of a textbook and a student has purchased the seventh edition but needs some remediation to make the book accessible digitally, what do you do? Do you request the seventh edition from the publisher (or Bookshare, or AccessText, or whatever your process is)? Do you check with the student and the instructor and deliver the sixth edition if it would still work for the class? What about copyright, since the student bought a different edition of the book? We've been talking about this a lot in our office, and we haven't landed on a great solution yet. I'd love to hear how other offices handle this sort of thing. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much! Mary Mary Popish Adaptive Technology Specialist & Alternate Formats Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Phone: (503) 725-9119 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: drc@pdx.edu URL: http://www.pdx.edu/drc Pronouns: she / her / hers _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From bcb4y at virginia.edu Fri Jan 17 08:45:09 2020 From: bcb4y at virginia.edu (Butler, Brandon (bcb4y)) Date: Fri Jan 17 08:45:14 2020 Subject: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Susan, You?re right, we should probably agree to disagree. But you (and others) may find this passage from Judge Barrington Parker?s opinion on the market effect of HathiTrust enlightening?apparently many authors are paid in grins and giggles when publishers sell books in accessible formats, so perhaps they would not be opposed to the same level of remuneration from universities: The fourth factor also weighs in favor of a finding of fair use. It is undisputed that the present-day market for books accessible to the handicapped is so insignificant that ?it is common practice in the publishing industry for authors to forgo royalties that are generated through the sale of books manufactured in specialized formats for the blind....? Appellants' Br. 34. ?[T]he number of accessible books currently available to the blind for borrowing is a mere few hundred thousand titles, a minute percentage of the world's books. In contrast, the HDL contains more than ten million accessible volumes.? J.A. 173 ? 10 (Maurer Decl.). When considering the 1976 Act, Congress was well aware of this problem. The House Committee Report observed that publishers did not ?usually ma[ke]? their books available in specialized formats for the blind. H.R. REP. NO. 94?1476, at 73, 1976 U.S.C.C.A.N. at 5686. That observation remains true today. Best, Brandon On Jan 17, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: I have read the white paper. It made some interesting points, but it has not convinced me, or my legal counsel, that we should be giving away files to students who have not obtained some form of the book ? new, used, rental, digital download (aka Kindle/Nook), etc. If it was found out by non-disabled students that disabled students were getting their textbook materials for free, we would have an absolute RIOT on our hands, and it?s not a riot I want a part of. Also, I am an author. It pains me GREATLY to think that books that are written using blood, sweat, tears, AND MY TIME are just blithely given away to those with a disability, with no guilt or even thought to what that means. Authors are people too, and they are not writing for grins and giggles ? they are writing because it is how they make their living. Giving away files is no different in my mind than illegal file sharing of music, movies, etc. In fact, it IS illegal in my mind, as it brashly abuses copyright of the authors who are writing the books in the first place. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue. I?ve been doing this work for 20 years and not one single time have I felt it was appropriate to give files to students without proof of ownership/possession (note I did not say proof of purchase). Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 9:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks Hi all, With all due respect to Susan and Wink, the claim that purchase is required by copyright law has no basis in copyright law. I am a copyright lawyer and one of the authors of the white paper, which was based in part on a convening of copyright experts, including lawyers from the University Counsels? offices at UVA and the University of Michigan, the counsel to the Internet Archive, counsel to the Association of Research Libraries, and my friend Blake Reid, who is a professor at CU's law school and the Director of the IP Policy Clinic there. (The full list is in the Acknowledgments section of the paper.) I?m sure Blake would be happy to talk to you about the project if you have questions, Susan. He?s an expert in both disability law and copyright law. I can also assure you that the analysis in the white paper applies expressly to DSOs, universities, and even large groups of universities, and not only to libraries. It is based on legal provisions and precedent that apply broadly to any authorized entity (in the case of Section 121) and to any lawful user (in the case of Section 107). Finally, if you wait for more caselaw or for another revision of copyright, you may be waiting for a very long time, but luckily we have very recent caselaw AND revisions to copyright that make clear that no purchase is needed before accessible copies are provided to qualified recipients. The Authors Guild v. HathiTrust case is theonly case ever to construe Section 121 or to apply Section 107 to accessibility. If we wanted to design the perfect case to prove that we can provide accessible copies to students without making them buy inaccessible copies, we couldn?t do much better than HathiTrust. In that case, the court considered whether the University of Michigan could provide accessible copies of books from the HathiTrust collection to students with print disabilities without any payment or permission from the copyright holders. The court said, categorically, yes. The recently-passed Marrakesh Treaty implementation bill made a few modifications to Section 121, and all of them were designed to expand accessibility. None of them added a purchase requirement, which did not exist prior to Marrakesh. So we have a recent case that is perfectly on point, and recent legislation that is also on our side. Anyway, that?s a short version of the much more detailed arguments in the white paper. I promise it?s not a tough read, and will reward your time and attention. Best, Brandon On Jan 17, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: Mary, The student deserves to have the right version of the textbook, period. If everyone else in the class, and the instructor, are using the 7th edition then why are you telling your student with a disability that they can only have the 6th? That is RIPE for a lawsuit filed by the student against your institution. Get the edition the student needs, remediate as necessary. That is our job, and we need to be doing our job. Ignore the people who have responded that your student doesn?t have to show proof of ownership (note I did not say proof of purchase). That white paper that is being tossed around covers LIBRARIES but does not cover DSOs producing alternate format directly. This is still a very grey area, and it is better to err on the side of caution until further clarification from the courts or the federal government. A white paper is not law, it is simply an opinion piece. I ask for proof of ownership from the student (aka, show me your book). And I give students the version they are requesting and have obtained. There are some publishers that require proof of purchase before they provide files, which means I then do ask the student for a receipt, which I heavily redact of any personal/identifying information and provide to the publisher. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Mary Popish Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 5:50 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks Hello, everyone! I have a question about how different campuses manage alternate format delivery for textbooks when the required edition is different from a digital version that your office may already have from a previous year or other student. For example, if your office has a digital version of the sixth edition of a textbook and a student has purchased the seventh edition but needs some remediation to make the book accessible digitally, what do you do? Do you request the seventh edition from the publisher (or Bookshare, or AccessText, or whatever your process is)? Do you check with the student and the instructor and deliver the sixth edition if it would still work for the class? What about copyright, since the student bought a different edition of the book? We've been talking about this a lot in our office, and we haven't landed on a great solution yet. I'd love to hear how other offices handle this sort of thing. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much! Mary Mary Popish Adaptive Technology Specialist & Alternate Formats Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Phone: (503) 725-9119 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: drc@pdx.edu URL: http://www.pdx.edu/drc Pronouns: she / her / hers _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Shannon.Lavey at colostate.edu Fri Jan 17 09:47:17 2020 From: Shannon.Lavey at colostate.edu (Lavey,Shannon) Date: Fri Jan 17 09:47:35 2020 Subject: [Athen] AT for student with low vision Message-ID: Hello ATHEN friends! Could I get your recommendations and ideas on some AT to support a student with low vision? 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 13674 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 10:12:30 2020 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Fri Jan 17 10:13:27 2020 Subject: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brandon et al I thought I made it clear in my earlier response that proof of ownership/possession was required, Not purchase. Anyone enrolled in a course can purchase, rent, check out from the library, borrow, buy used books. There are a lot of ways for any student to "provide" this to me for alt-text remediation. I am assuming the copyright risk in requesting files from publishers, and in a DSS office, I assume this risk on behalf of the college. I work from a perspective of equity: If all students are required to be "in possession of" textbooks for classes, this does not exempt disabled students from the requirement. One judge's ruling about libraries in relation to HathiTrust and copyright pertains narrowly to libraries and should not be inferred to apply to disabled students in general. My thoughts on a snowy Friday, Wink Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 8:45 AM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) wrote: > Susan, > > You?re right, we should probably agree to disagree. But you (and others) > may find this passage from Judge Barrington Parker?s opinion on the market > effect of HathiTrust enlightening?apparently many authors are paid in grins > and giggles when publishers sell books in accessible formats, so perhaps > they would not be opposed to the same level of remuneration from > universities: > > The fourth factor also weighs in favor of a finding of fair use. It is > undisputed that the present-day market for books accessible to the > handicapped is so insignificant that ?*it is common practice in the > publishing industry for authors to forgo royalties that are generated > through the sale of books manufactured in specialized formats for the blind*....? > Appellants' Br. 34. ?[T]he number of accessible books currently available > to the blind for borrowing is a mere few hundred thousand titles, a minute > percentage of the world's books. In contrast, the HDL contains more than > ten million accessible volumes.? J.A. 173 ? 10 (Maurer Decl.). When > considering the 1976 Act, Congress was well aware of this problem. The > House Committee Report observed that publishers did not ?usually ma[ke]? > their books available in specialized formats for the blind. H.R. REP. NO. > 94?1476, at 73, 1976 U.S.C.C.A.N. at 5686. That observation remains true > today. > > > Best, > Brandon > > On Jan 17, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > I have read the white paper. It made some interesting points, but it has > not convinced me, or my legal counsel, that we should be giving away files > to students who have not obtained some form of the book ? new, used, > rental, digital download (aka Kindle/Nook), etc. > > If it was found out by non-disabled students that disabled students were > getting their textbook materials for free, we would have an absolute RIOT > on our hands, and it?s not a riot I want a part of. > > Also, I am an author. It pains me GREATLY to think that books that are > written using blood, sweat, tears, AND MY TIME are just blithely given away > to those with a disability, with no guilt or even thought to what that > means. Authors are people too, and they are not writing for grins and > giggles ? they are writing because it is how they make their living. > > Giving away files is no different in my mind than illegal file sharing of > music, movies, etc. In fact, it IS illegal in my mind, as it brashly > abuses copyright of the authors who are writing the books in the first > place. > > We are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue. I?ve been doing > this work for 20 years and not one single time have I felt it was > appropriate to give files to students without proof of ownership/possession > (note I did not say proof of purchase). > > *Susan Kelmer * > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > Disability Services > Division of Student Affairs > *T* 303 735 4836 > *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices > * > > > > > *Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this > message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message. * > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) > *Sent:* Friday, January 17, 2020 9:09 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks > > Hi all, > > With all due respect to Susan and Wink, the claim that purchase is > required by copyright law has no basis in copyright law. I am a copyright > lawyer and one of the authors of the white paper, which was based in part > on a convening of copyright experts, including lawyers from the University > Counsels? offices at UVA and the University of Michigan, the counsel to the > Internet Archive, counsel to the Association of Research Libraries, and my > friend Blake Reid, who is a professor at CU's law school and the Director > of the IP Policy Clinic there. (The full list is in the Acknowledgments > section of the paper.) I?m sure Blake would be happy to talk to you about > the project if you have questions, Susan. He?s an expert in both disability > law and copyright law. > > I can also assure you that the analysis in the white paper applies > expressly to DSOs, universities, and even large groups of universities, and > not only to libraries. It is based on legal provisions and precedent that > apply broadly to any authorized entity (in the case of Section 121) and to > any lawful user (in the case of Section 107). > > Finally, if you wait for *more* caselaw or for *another* revision of > copyright, you may be waiting for a very long time, but luckily we have > very recent caselaw AND revisions to copyright that make clear that no > purchase is needed before accessible copies are provided to qualified > recipients. The Authors Guild v. HathiTrust case is the*only *case ever > to construe Section 121 or to apply Section 107 to accessibility. If we > wanted to design the perfect case to prove that we can provide accessible > copies to students without making them buy inaccessible copies, we couldn?t > do much better than *HathiTrust. *In that case, the court considered > whether the University of Michigan could provide accessible copies of books > from the HathiTrust collection to students with print disabilities without > any payment or permission from the copyright holders. The court > said, categorically, yes. The recently-passed Marrakesh Treaty > implementation bill made a few modifications to Section 121, and all of > them were designed to expand accessibility. None of them added a purchase > requirement, which did not exist prior to Marrakesh. So we have a recent > case that is perfectly on point, and recent legislation that is also on our > side. > > Anyway, that?s a short version of the much more detailed arguments in the > white paper. I promise it?s not a tough read, and will reward your time and > attention. > > Best, > Brandon > > > > > On Jan 17, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: > > Mary, > > The student deserves to have the right version of the textbook, period. > If everyone else in the class, and the instructor, are using the 7th edition > then why are you telling your student with a disability that they can only > have the 6th? That is RIPE for a lawsuit filed by the student against > your institution. > > Get the edition the student needs, remediate as necessary. That is our > job, and we need to be doing our job. > > Ignore the people who have responded that your student doesn?t have to > show proof of ownership (note I did not say proof of purchase). That white > paper that is being tossed around covers LIBRARIES but does not cover DSOs > producing alternate format directly. This is still a very grey area, and it > is better to err on the side of caution until further clarification from > the courts or the federal government. A white paper is not law, it is > simply an opinion piece. I ask for proof of ownership from the student > (aka, show me your book). And I give students the version they are > requesting and have obtained. There are some publishers that require proof > of purchase before they provide files, which means I then do ask the > student for a receipt, which I heavily redact of any personal/identifying > information and provide to the publisher. > > *Susan Kelmer * > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > Disability Services > Division of Student Affairs > *T* 303 735 4836 > *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices > * > > > > > *Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this > message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message. * > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Mary Popish > *Sent:* Thursday, January 16, 2020 5:50 PM > *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu > *Subject:* [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks > > Hello, everyone! > > I have a question about how different campuses manage alternate format > delivery for textbooks when the required edition is different from a > digital version that your office may already have from a previous year or > other student. For example, if your office has a digital version of the > sixth edition of a textbook and a student has purchased the seventh edition > but needs some remediation to make the book accessible digitally, what do > you do? Do you request the seventh edition from the publisher (or > Bookshare, or AccessText, or whatever your process is)? Do you check with > the student and the instructor and deliver the sixth edition if it would > still work for the class? What about copyright, since the student bought a > different edition of the book? > > We've been talking about this a lot in our office, and we haven't landed > on a great solution yet. I'd love to hear how other offices handle this > sort of thing. > > Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much! > > Mary > > *Mary Popish* > Adaptive Technology Specialist & Alternate Formats Coordinator > Disability Resource Center > Portland State University > > Phone: (503) 725-9119 > Fax: (503) 725-4103 > Email: drc@pdx.edu > URL: http://www.pdx.edu/drc > Pronouns: she / her / hers > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bcb4y at virginia.edu Fri Jan 17 10:39:54 2020 From: bcb4y at virginia.edu (Butler, Brandon (bcb4y)) Date: Fri Jan 17 10:40:03 2020 Subject: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3DA2C4A7-72BE-4893-959B-CE594791CB27@virginia.edu> Hi Wink, Thanks for this response - it does clarify a key issue! You say you request files from publishers ? in that case, the publishers can impose whatever condition they want on you in exchange for the files, including requiring you to promise that the student has obtained a copy. In that case, if you make such a promise, you are indeed bound to require purchase or other lawful possession. But just to be clear, you are under that obligation because of your promise to the publisher, not because of copyright law. If you obtain accessible files elsewhere (like from a library, or a DSO colleague), and do not enter into any contrary agreements with publishers, you are under no obligation to require purchase. Also, note that HathiTrust was actually a unanimous three-judge opinion by the Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit, is binding precedent for all district courts in the Circuit, and provides persuasive authority nationwide. The defendants in the case were entire universities, not just libraries. Best, Brandon On Jan 17, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Wink Harner > wrote: Brandon et al I thought I made it clear in my earlier response that proof of ownership/possession was required, Not purchase. Anyone enrolled in a course can purchase, rent, check out from the library, borrow, buy used books. There are a lot of ways for any student to "provide" this to me for alt-text remediation. I am assuming the copyright risk in requesting files from publishers, and in a DSS office, I assume this risk on behalf of the college. I work from a perspective of equity: If all students are required to be "in possession of" textbooks for classes, this does not exempt disabled students from the requirement. One judge's ruling about libraries in relation to HathiTrust and copyright pertains narrowly to libraries and should not be inferred to apply to disabled students in general. My thoughts on a snowy Friday, Wink Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 8:45 AM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) > wrote: Susan, You?re right, we should probably agree to disagree. But you (and others) may find this passage from Judge Barrington Parker?s opinion on the market effect of HathiTrust enlightening?apparently many authors are paid in grins and giggles when publishers sell books in accessible formats, so perhaps they would not be opposed to the same level of remuneration from universities: The fourth factor also weighs in favor of a finding of fair use. It is undisputed that the present-day market for books accessible to the handicapped is so insignificant that ?it is common practice in the publishing industry for authors to forgo royalties that are generated through the sale of books manufactured in specialized formats for the blind....? Appellants' Br. 34. ?[T]he number of accessible books currently available to the blind for borrowing is a mere few hundred thousand titles, a minute percentage of the world's books. In contrast, the HDL contains more than ten million accessible volumes.? J.A. 173 ? 10 (Maurer Decl.). When considering the 1976 Act, Congress was well aware of this problem. The House Committee Report observed that publishers did not ?usually ma[ke]? their books available in specialized formats for the blind. H.R. REP. NO. 94?1476, at 73, 1976 U.S.C.C.A.N. at 5686. That observation remains true today. Best, Brandon On Jan 17, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: I have read the white paper. It made some interesting points, but it has not convinced me, or my legal counsel, that we should be giving away files to students who have not obtained some form of the book ? new, used, rental, digital download (aka Kindle/Nook), etc. If it was found out by non-disabled students that disabled students were getting their textbook materials for free, we would have an absolute RIOT on our hands, and it?s not a riot I want a part of. Also, I am an author. It pains me GREATLY to think that books that are written using blood, sweat, tears, AND MY TIME are just blithely given away to those with a disability, with no guilt or even thought to what that means. Authors are people too, and they are not writing for grins and giggles ? they are writing because it is how they make their living. Giving away files is no different in my mind than illegal file sharing of music, movies, etc. In fact, it IS illegal in my mind, as it brashly abuses copyright of the authors who are writing the books in the first place. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue. I?ve been doing this work for 20 years and not one single time have I felt it was appropriate to give files to students without proof of ownership/possession (note I did not say proof of purchase). Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 9:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks Hi all, With all due respect to Susan and Wink, the claim that purchase is required by copyright law has no basis in copyright law. I am a copyright lawyer and one of the authors of the white paper, which was based in part on a convening of copyright experts, including lawyers from the University Counsels? offices at UVA and the University of Michigan, the counsel to the Internet Archive, counsel to the Association of Research Libraries, and my friend Blake Reid, who is a professor at CU's law school and the Director of the IP Policy Clinic there. (The full list is in the Acknowledgments section of the paper.) I?m sure Blake would be happy to talk to you about the project if you have questions, Susan. He?s an expert in both disability law and copyright law. I can also assure you that the analysis in the white paper applies expressly to DSOs, universities, and even large groups of universities, and not only to libraries. It is based on legal provisions and precedent that apply broadly to any authorized entity (in the case of Section 121) and to any lawful user (in the case of Section 107). Finally, if you wait for more caselaw or for another revision of copyright, you may be waiting for a very long time, but luckily we have very recent caselaw AND revisions to copyright that make clear that no purchase is needed before accessible copies are provided to qualified recipients. The Authors Guild v. HathiTrust case is theonly case ever to construe Section 121 or to apply Section 107 to accessibility. If we wanted to design the perfect case to prove that we can provide accessible copies to students without making them buy inaccessible copies, we couldn?t do much better than HathiTrust. In that case, the court considered whether the University of Michigan could provide accessible copies of books from the HathiTrust collection to students with print disabilities without any payment or permission from the copyright holders. The court said, categorically, yes. The recently-passed Marrakesh Treaty implementation bill made a few modifications to Section 121, and all of them were designed to expand accessibility. None of them added a purchase requirement, which did not exist prior to Marrakesh. So we have a recent case that is perfectly on point, and recent legislation that is also on our side. Anyway, that?s a short version of the much more detailed arguments in the white paper. I promise it?s not a tough read, and will reward your time and attention. Best, Brandon On Jan 17, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Susan Kelmer > wrote: Mary, The student deserves to have the right version of the textbook, period. If everyone else in the class, and the instructor, are using the 7th edition then why are you telling your student with a disability that they can only have the 6th? That is RIPE for a lawsuit filed by the student against your institution. Get the edition the student needs, remediate as necessary. That is our job, and we need to be doing our job. Ignore the people who have responded that your student doesn?t have to show proof of ownership (note I did not say proof of purchase). That white paper that is being tossed around covers LIBRARIES but does not cover DSOs producing alternate format directly. This is still a very grey area, and it is better to err on the side of caution until further clarification from the courts or the federal government. A white paper is not law, it is simply an opinion piece. I ask for proof of ownership from the student (aka, show me your book). And I give students the version they are requesting and have obtained. There are some publishers that require proof of purchase before they provide files, which means I then do ask the student for a receipt, which I heavily redact of any personal/identifying information and provide to the publisher. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Mary Popish Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 5:50 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks Hello, everyone! I have a question about how different campuses manage alternate format delivery for textbooks when the required edition is different from a digital version that your office may already have from a previous year or other student. For example, if your office has a digital version of the sixth edition of a textbook and a student has purchased the seventh edition but needs some remediation to make the book accessible digitally, what do you do? Do you request the seventh edition from the publisher (or Bookshare, or AccessText, or whatever your process is)? Do you check with the student and the instructor and deliver the sixth edition if it would still work for the class? What about copyright, since the student bought a different edition of the book? We've been talking about this a lot in our office, and we haven't landed on a great solution yet. I'd love to hear how other offices handle this sort of thing. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much! 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URL: From foreigntype at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 12:01:07 2020 From: foreigntype at gmail.com (Wink Harner) Date: Fri Jan 17 12:02:05 2020 Subject: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks In-Reply-To: <3DA2C4A7-72BE-4893-959B-CE594791CB27@virginia.edu> References: <3DA2C4A7-72BE-4893-959B-CE594791CB27@virginia.edu> Message-ID: Thanks, Brandon. I'll follow the legal guidance from our college district's legal department and suggest others do the same. Wink Harner Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production The Foreign Type Portland OR foreigntype@gmail.com 480-984-0034 This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 10:40 AM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) wrote: > Hi Wink, > > Thanks for this response - it does clarify a key issue! You say you > request files from publishers ? in that case, the publishers can impose > whatever condition they want on you in exchange for the files, including > requiring you to promise that the student has obtained a copy. In that > case, if you make such a promise, you are indeed bound to require purchase > or other lawful possession. But just to be clear, you are under that > obligation because of your promise to the publisher, not because of > copyright law. > > If you obtain accessible files elsewhere (like from a library, or a DSO > colleague), and do not enter into any contrary agreements with publishers, > you are under no obligation to require purchase. > > Also, note that *HathiTrust* was actually a unanimous three-judge opinion > by the Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit, is binding precedent for all > district courts in the Circuit, and provides persuasive authority > nationwide. The defendants in the case were entire universities, not just > libraries. > > Best, > Brandon > > On Jan 17, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Wink Harner wrote: > > Brandon et al > > I thought I made it clear in my earlier response that proof of > ownership/possession was required, Not purchase. > > Anyone enrolled in a course can purchase, rent, check out from the > library, borrow, buy used books. There are a lot of ways for any student to > "provide" this to me for alt-text remediation. I am assuming the copyright > risk in requesting files from publishers, and in a DSS office, I assume > this risk on behalf of the college. > > I work from a perspective of equity: If all students are required to be > "in possession of" textbooks for classes, this does not exempt disabled > students from the requirement. > > One judge's ruling about libraries in relation to HathiTrust and copyright > pertains narrowly to libraries and should not be inferred to apply to > disabled students in general. > > My thoughts on a snowy Friday, > > Wink > > Wink Harner > Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production > The Foreign Type > > Portland OR > foreigntype@gmail.com > 480-984-0034 > > This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive > quirks, misrecognitions, or errata . > > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 8:45 AM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) < > bcb4y@virginia.edu> wrote: > >> Susan, >> >> You?re right, we should probably agree to disagree. But you (and others) >> may find this passage from Judge Barrington Parker?s opinion on the market >> effect of HathiTrust enlightening?apparently many authors are paid in grins >> and giggles when publishers sell books in accessible formats, so perhaps >> they would not be opposed to the same level of remuneration from >> universities: >> >> The fourth factor also weighs in favor of a finding of fair use. It is >> undisputed that the present-day market for books accessible to the >> handicapped is so insignificant that ?*it is common practice in the >> publishing industry for authors to forgo royalties that are generated >> through the sale of books manufactured in specialized formats for the blind*....? >> Appellants' Br. 34. ?[T]he number of accessible books currently available >> to the blind for borrowing is a mere few hundred thousand titles, a minute >> percentage of the world's books. In contrast, the HDL contains more than >> ten million accessible volumes.? J.A. 173 ? 10 (Maurer Decl.). When >> considering the 1976 Act, Congress was well aware of this problem. The >> House Committee Report observed that publishers did not ?usually ma[ke]? >> their books available in specialized formats for the blind. H.R. REP. >> NO. 94?1476, at 73, 1976 U.S.C.C.A.N. at 5686. That observation remains >> true today. >> >> >> Best, >> Brandon >> >> On Jan 17, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Susan Kelmer >> wrote: >> >> I have read the white paper. It made some interesting points, but it has >> not convinced me, or my legal counsel, that we should be giving away files >> to students who have not obtained some form of the book ? new, used, >> rental, digital download (aka Kindle/Nook), etc. >> >> If it was found out by non-disabled students that disabled students were >> getting their textbook materials for free, we would have an absolute RIOT >> on our hands, and it?s not a riot I want a part of. >> >> Also, I am an author. It pains me GREATLY to think that books that are >> written using blood, sweat, tears, AND MY TIME are just blithely given away >> to those with a disability, with no guilt or even thought to what that >> means. Authors are people too, and they are not writing for grins and >> giggles ? they are writing because it is how they make their living. >> >> Giving away files is no different in my mind than illegal file sharing of >> music, movies, etc. In fact, it IS illegal in my mind, as it brashly >> abuses copyright of the authors who are writing the books in the first >> place. >> >> We are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue. I?ve been doing >> this work for 20 years and not one single time have I felt it was >> appropriate to give files to students without proof of ownership/possession >> (note I did not say proof of purchase). >> >> *Susan Kelmer * >> Alternate Format Production Program Manager >> Disability Services >> Division of Student Affairs >> *T* 303 735 4836 >> *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices >> * >> >> >> >> >> *Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this >> message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please >> notify the sender immediately and delete this message. * >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list *On >> Behalf Of *Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) >> *Sent:* Friday, January 17, 2020 9:09 AM >> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of >> Textbooks >> >> Hi all, >> >> With all due respect to Susan and Wink, the claim that purchase is >> required by copyright law has no basis in copyright law. I am a copyright >> lawyer and one of the authors of the white paper, which was based in part >> on a convening of copyright experts, including lawyers from the University >> Counsels? offices at UVA and the University of Michigan, the counsel to the >> Internet Archive, counsel to the Association of Research Libraries, and my >> friend Blake Reid, who is a professor at CU's law school and the Director >> of the IP Policy Clinic there. (The full list is in the Acknowledgments >> section of the paper.) I?m sure Blake would be happy to talk to you about >> the project if you have questions, Susan. He?s an expert in both disability >> law and copyright law. >> >> I can also assure you that the analysis in the white paper applies >> expressly to DSOs, universities, and even large groups of universities, and >> not only to libraries. It is based on legal provisions and precedent that >> apply broadly to any authorized entity (in the case of Section 121) and to >> any lawful user (in the case of Section 107). >> >> Finally, if you wait for *more* caselaw or for *another* revision of >> copyright, you may be waiting for a very long time, but luckily we have >> very recent caselaw AND revisions to copyright that make clear that no >> purchase is needed before accessible copies are provided to qualified >> recipients. The Authors Guild v. HathiTrust case is the*only *case ever >> to construe Section 121 or to apply Section 107 to accessibility. If we >> wanted to design the perfect case to prove that we can provide accessible >> copies to students without making them buy inaccessible copies, we couldn?t >> do much better than *HathiTrust. *In that case, the court considered >> whether the University of Michigan could provide accessible copies of books >> from the HathiTrust collection to students with print disabilities without >> any payment or permission from the copyright holders. The court >> said, categorically, yes. The recently-passed Marrakesh Treaty >> implementation bill made a few modifications to Section 121, and all of >> them were designed to expand accessibility. None of them added a purchase >> requirement, which did not exist prior to Marrakesh. So we have a recent >> case that is perfectly on point, and recent legislation that is also on our >> side. >> >> Anyway, that?s a short version of the much more detailed arguments in the >> white paper. I promise it?s not a tough read, and will reward your time and >> attention. >> >> Best, >> Brandon >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 17, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Susan Kelmer >> wrote: >> >> Mary, >> >> The student deserves to have the right version of the textbook, period. >> If everyone else in the class, and the instructor, are using the 7th edition >> then why are you telling your student with a disability that they can only >> have the 6th? That is RIPE for a lawsuit filed by the student against >> your institution. >> >> Get the edition the student needs, remediate as necessary. That is our >> job, and we need to be doing our job. >> >> Ignore the people who have responded that your student doesn?t have to >> show proof of ownership (note I did not say proof of purchase). That white >> paper that is being tossed around covers LIBRARIES but does not cover DSOs >> producing alternate format directly. This is still a very grey area, and it >> is better to err on the side of caution until further clarification from >> the courts or the federal government. A white paper is not law, it is >> simply an opinion piece. I ask for proof of ownership from the student >> (aka, show me your book). And I give students the version they are >> requesting and have obtained. There are some publishers that require proof >> of purchase before they provide files, which means I then do ask the >> student for a receipt, which I heavily redact of any personal/identifying >> information and provide to the publisher. >> >> *Susan Kelmer * >> Alternate Format Production Program Manager >> Disability Services >> Division of Student Affairs >> *T* 303 735 4836 >> *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices >> * >> >> >> >> >> *Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this >> message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please >> notify the sender immediately and delete this message. * >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list *On >> Behalf Of *Mary Popish >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 16, 2020 5:50 PM >> *To:* athen-list@u.washington.edu >> *Subject:* [Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks >> >> Hello, everyone! >> >> I have a question about how different campuses manage alternate format >> delivery for textbooks when the required edition is different from a >> digital version that your office may already have from a previous year or >> other student. For example, if your office has a digital version of the >> sixth edition of a textbook and a student has purchased the seventh edition >> but needs some remediation to make the book accessible digitally, what do >> you do? Do you request the seventh edition from the publisher (or >> Bookshare, or AccessText, or whatever your process is)? Do you check with >> the student and the instructor and deliver the sixth edition if it would >> still work for the class? What about copyright, since the student bought a >> different edition of the book? >> >> We've been talking about this a lot in our office, and we haven't landed >> on a great solution yet. I'd love to hear how other offices handle this >> sort of thing. >> >> Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much! >> >> Mary >> >> *Mary Popish* >> Adaptive Technology Specialist & Alternate Formats Coordinator >> Disability Resource Center >> Portland State University >> >> Phone: (503) 725-9119 >> Fax: (503) 725-4103 >> Email: drc@pdx.edu >> URL: http://www.pdx.edu/drc >> Pronouns: she / her / hers >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We are specifically looking for accessible graphing calculator options - either iOS apps, software (student has a Mac) or a physical calculator. Also, do you have recommendations for AT that can be used in the classroom to magnify content on the board or front of the classroom? We have the Transformer but I am wondering about other options that have worked for your students. Thanks for the help! Shannon Shannon Lavey, MS, OTR/L Student Service Coordinator [Assistive Technology Resource Center Colorado State University] Room 301, Occupational Therapy Building P: 970-491-4241 shannon.lavey@colostate.edu Assistive Technology Resource Center Accessibility By Design -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there another > quickly obtainable application that can be use to send the file to the > embosser. > > > > Laura Loree, M.A.Ed., CPACC, CTFL > > EIT Accessibility Manager > > Utah Valley University > > Email: laura.loree@uvu.edu > > Phone: 801-863-6788 > > Room: FL-111-F > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Tue Jan 21 05:49:46 2020 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Tue Jan 21 05:49:57 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If at all possible, I provide the edition the class is using. Even if the instructor says the older edition will work, there can be problems. Equal access means providing the current edition if possible. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Mary Popish Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 6:50 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXT][Athen] Alternate Formats and Varying Editions of Textbooks CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Hello, everyone! I have a question about how different campuses manage alternate format delivery for textbooks when the required edition is different from a digital version that your office may already have from a previous year or other student. For example, if your office has a digital version of the sixth edition of a textbook and a student has purchased the seventh edition but needs some remediation to make the book accessible digitally, what do you do? Do you request the seventh edition from the publisher (or Bookshare, or AccessText, or whatever your process is)? Do you check with the student and the instructor and deliver the sixth edition if it would still work for the class? What about copyright, since the student bought a different edition of the book? We've been talking about this a lot in our office, and we haven't landed on a great solution yet. I'd love to hear how other offices handle this sort of thing. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much! Mary Mary Popish Adaptive Technology Specialist & Alternate Formats Coordinator Disability Resource Center Portland State University Phone: (503) 725-9119 Fax: (503) 725-4103 Email: drc@pdx.edu URL: http://www.pdx.edu/drc Pronouns: she / her / hers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Tue Jan 21 15:04:55 2020 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Tue Jan 21 15:05:24 2020 Subject: [Athen] Teams on Mac Message-ID: I have a blind student who uses voice over on her Mac. She is signing up for a class that uses Microsoft Teams extensively. Does anyone know if it is accessible in that platform? I will dust off my old Mac laptop and update it and download Teams and test it if I must. Just thought I?d ask first in case someone can save me some time! Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 (Kraemer Family Library) Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15239 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From kelly at kellford.com Tue Jan 21 17:45:30 2020 From: kelly at kellford.com (kelly@kellford.com) Date: Tue Jan 21 17:45:41 2020 Subject: [Athen] Teams on Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00fa01d5d0c5$a1db0d80$e5912880$@kellford.com> Hi, I have used Teams extensively on the Mac with VoiceOver. For the most part it works. That said, there is a lot that can happen in Teams beyond just chat and messages, so if you have an idea of the sorts of things the class uses, I can try and provide additional details. Also, your student can email edad@microsoft.com for assistance. That is Microsoft?s enterprise Disability Answer Desk. The charter of that part of the company is to assist educational, business, government and NGOs with accessibility support. Visit https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/enterprise-answer-desk for more details. Depending on what they do in the class, your student may want to choose options that allow work in the full desktop apps. For example, when working on documents, Teams offers the ability to edit them in Teams, edit them with the Online versions of Office apps or open them in the full desktop apps. You are best to pick these options in the reverse order I?ve listed them. There are documents talking about using Teams with a screen reader for the various platforms where the app is available. Here is a link to the Mac getting started documentation. Note, although I am replying here from my personal address, I am a long-time Microsoft employee, returning to the company in a fulltime capacity next week so am between Microsoft email addresses just now. Kelly From: athen-list On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 5:05 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Teams on Mac I have a blind student who uses voice over on her Mac. She is signing up for a class that uses Microsoft Teams extensively. Does anyone know if it is accessible in that platform? I will dust off my old Mac laptop and update it and download Teams and test it if I must. Just thought I?d ask first in case someone can save me some time! Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 (Kraemer Family Library) Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15239 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Joseph.M.Nast at lonestar.edu Wed Jan 22 12:33:13 2020 From: Joseph.M.Nast at lonestar.edu (Nast, Joseph) Date: Wed Jan 22 12:34:43 2020 Subject: [Athen] Learning Ally down? Message-ID: <3ca448a60d974d68b81a996bbeb55f78@clvmwexmbx2.LSCS.prv> Hey all, anyone else having problems logging into LA? I can't get through (perma-hold) on the phone; no response to emails. Joseph M. Nast, ATAC Assistive Technology Specialist Lone Star College Cy Fair, Disability Services Office Phone: (281) 290-3207 Website URL: http://www.lonestar.edu/19287.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Wed Jan 22 14:25:03 2020 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Wed Jan 22 14:25:21 2020 Subject: [Athen] Teams on Mac In-Reply-To: <00fa01d5d0c5$a1db0d80$e5912880$@kellford.com> References: <00fa01d5d0c5$a1db0d80$e5912880$@kellford.com> Message-ID: Kelly thanks for your help and to those who assisted me offline. Much appreciated. -Leyna From: athen-list On Behalf Of kelly@kellford.com Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 6:46 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: Re: [Athen] Teams on Mac Hi, I have used Teams extensively on the Mac with VoiceOver. For the most part it works. That said, there is a lot that can happen in Teams beyond just chat and messages, so if you have an idea of the sorts of things the class uses, I can try and provide additional details. Also, your student can email edad@microsoft.com for assistance. That is Microsoft?s enterprise Disability Answer Desk. The charter of that part of the company is to assist educational, business, government and NGOs with accessibility support. Visit https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/enterprise-answer-desk for more details. Depending on what they do in the class, your student may want to choose options that allow work in the full desktop apps. For example, when working on documents, Teams offers the ability to edit them in Teams, edit them with the Online versions of Office apps or open them in the full desktop apps. You are best to pick these options in the reverse order I?ve listed them. There are documents talking about using Teams with a screen reader for the various platforms where the app is available. Here is a link to the Mac getting started documentation. Note, although I am replying here from my personal address, I am a long-time Microsoft employee, returning to the company in a fulltime capacity next week so am between Microsoft email addresses just now. Kelly From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 5:05 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Teams on Mac I have a blind student who uses voice over on her Mac. She is signing up for a class that uses Microsoft Teams extensively. Does anyone know if it is accessible in that platform? I will dust off my old Mac laptop and update it and download Teams and test it if I must. Just thought I?d ask first in case someone can save me some time! Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 (Kraemer Family Library) Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 15239 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From lbencomo at uccs.edu Wed Jan 22 14:42:48 2020 From: lbencomo at uccs.edu (Leyna Bencomo) Date: Wed Jan 22 14:43:04 2020 Subject: [Athen] graphic novels Message-ID: Hi all, I?m looking for 2 graphic novels converted to something accessible for a blind student. I?m not sure if people are creating audio descriptions or simply text. If anyone has any remediated formats, please let me know! Thank you. 9781250050397 The Gigantic Beard that was Evil ?Author Stephen Collins 9781596437135 Anya?s Ghost ? Author Vera Brosgol Leyna Bencomo Assistive Technology Specialist Office of Information Technology University of Colorado Colorado Springs 1420 Austin Bluffs Parkway, EPC 215 (Kraemer Family Library) Colorado Springs, CO 80918 (719) 255-4202 / lbencomo@uccs.edu http://www.uccs.edu/~it/ [sig logo small] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Although the conference has been running since 2018, it will now have the full support of HighEdWeb. Registration for the conference opens in March. Want to stay up-to-date about the Accessibility Summit? RSVP on the Facebook event and sign up to receive email updates. Call for Proposals Do you have expert knowledge to share about digital accessibility? The Accessibility Summit planning committee is looking for presenters to share stories, best practices and lessons learned. Submit your session proposal today and make plans to join us on May 27 in St. Louis. Proposal submissions are due by Feb. 10. If your proposal is accepted, you'll receive complimentary conference admission and superstar status for your investment in higher education. Like everything at HighEdWeb, the Accessibility Summit is built and made possible by hard-working volunteers. Submit a proposal for the 2020 Accessibility Summit Meet you in St. Louis! 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We will be adding an Accessible Learning Technology Coordinator (ALTC), an Access Consultant, and replacing an Associate Director of Student Services this spring. The Accessible Learning Technology Coordinator (ALTC) works with a dedicated team of professional and student staff to provide notetaking accommodations (including notetaking technologies), furniture accommodations, alternative formats (document conversion), and media captioning. This position works with a team to ensure equal access for students with disabilities. It also includes work with assistive technology, student/instructor consultations, digital accessibility, universal design in instructional materials, and campus outreach. Review the posting and apply online. (https://jobs.hr.wisc.edu/en-us/job/503945/accessible-learning-technology-coordinator) Applications for each position close at 11:55PM (CDT) on Thursday, January 30, 2020. We value the contributions of each person and respect the profound ways their identity, culture, background, experience, status, abilities, and opinion enrich the university community, and are looking for qualified candidates who will continue to move UW-Madison Forward in Access. Please feel free to share with groups/candidates you think may be interested and other Jobs at UW-Madison. Sincerely, Gwynette ______________ Gwynette V. Hall she/her/hers Accessible Learning Technology Manager McBurney Disability Resource Center Student Affairs University of Wisconsin-Madison 608-263-2741 (Voice-Front desk) 608-225-7956 (Text-Front desk) 608-265-2998 (FAX) www.mcburney.wisc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hascherdss at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 09:30:27 2020 From: hascherdss at gmail.com (Heidi Scher) Date: Mon Jan 27 09:31:17 2020 Subject: [Athen] Braille embosser recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have to chime in here. We have a wonderful ol' Juliet that uses SERIAL to connect! I've been at the UA for 12 years and only once have sent her in for any adjustments/repairs. She was here for several years before I got here. Keeping my fingers crossed that she continues to be a wonderful workhorse for us! Heidi +++++++++++++++ Heidi Scher, M.S., CRC Associate Director - AT *she, her, hers* Center for Educational Access at the University of Arkansas 1 University of Arkansas, ARKU 209 Fayetteville, AR 72701 479.575.3104 phone 479.575.7445 fax +++++++++++++++ On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:13 AM Susan Kelmer wrote: > It concerns me to hear this, as the Trident we bought three years ago (to > replace our Juliet Pro which needed repair again) has already been repaired > twice and is broken again. I was going to replace it with the newer Juliet > 120, because we desperately need to interpoint when we print. Now I?m not > sure I should go with the Juliet. > > > > BTW, our old Juliet is currently in service and being used almost daily, > with no issues, but she?s more than 10 years old and I fear for her > imminent demise. Also, she only works via USB directly hooked up to a > computer now, her network capabilities are too old to work with modern > networking. > > > > What are people?s recommendations for an Interpoint (duplexing) Brailler > now? > > > > *Susan Kelmer * > > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > > Disability Services > > Division of Student Affairs > > *T* 303 735 4836 > > *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices > * > > > > > > [image: cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] > > > > *Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this > message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message. * > > > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Dan Comden > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 14, 2020 4:42 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Braille embosser recommendations? > > > > Happy new year ATHEN! > > > > Our relatively new Juliet 120 (made by Index) is wonky and I'm not at all > happy with current technical support. Specifically, it should not choke on > its own firmware update and need an RMA to put back in working order. > > > > Has anyone found an equivalent embosser that is working well for them? > > > > Our needs range from a hundred or so pages per month to hundreds per day, > depending on the quarter. > > > > I sure miss our old Juliet Pro. > > > > -- > > -*- Dan Comden danc@uw.edu > > Access Technology Center www.uw.edu/itconnect/accessibility/atl/ > > University of Washington UW Information Technology > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sounds like at least two items have to be on a list in order to be called that. Sheryl Burgstahler, Ph.D. Director, UW Accessible Technology & DO-IT, UW-IT Affiliate Professor, Education University of Washington, Box 354842 Seattle, WA 98195 206-543-0622 FAX 206-221-4171 http://staff.washington.edu/sherylb sherylb@uw.edu > On Jan 27, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Khoa Pham wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Is a list with one item still considered and should be marked as a list whether there will be more items added to it or not? I?ve always thought a list would be considered a list if it has two or more items. > > Thank you, > Khoa Pham > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bossley.5 at osu.edu Mon Jan 27 11:41:00 2020 From: bossley.5 at osu.edu (Bossley, Peter A.) Date: Mon Jan 27 11:41:41 2020 Subject: [Athen] Lists In-Reply-To: <924609c553de47c998ad56714ede5a2e@swccd.edu> References: <924609c553de47c998ad56714ede5a2e@swccd.edu> Message-ID: Where I think I land on this is that if semantically it could be a list of multiple items but it just happens to have a single item right now that it makes sense to mark it up as a list, especially if more items will likely be a part of that list later. That said, if it will always be a single item, then a paragraph or something else would be appropriate. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Khoa Pham Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 2:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Lists Hello everyone, Is a list with one item still considered and should be marked as a list whether there will be more items added to it or not? I've always thought a list would be considered a list if it has two or more items. 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Thanks, D. ______________ Debbie Krahmer Preferred Pronouns: D/no pronouns Associate Professor in the Libraries Accessible Technology & Government Documents Librarian 304 Case-Geyer Colgate University 315-228-6592 dkrahmer@colgate.edu On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 2:47 PM Bossley, Peter A. wrote: > Where I think I land on this is that if semantically it could be a list of > multiple items but it just happens to have a single item right now that it > makes sense to mark it up as a list, especially if more items will likely > be a part of that list later. That said, if it will always be a single > item, then a paragraph or something else would be appropriate. > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Khoa Pham > *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2020 2:17 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Lists > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > Is a list with one item still considered and should be marked as a list > whether there will be more items added to it or not? I?ve always thought a > list would be considered a list if it has two or more items. > > > > Thank you, > > *Khoa Pham* > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rbeach at KCKCC.EDU Mon Jan 27 11:57:38 2020 From: rbeach at KCKCC.EDU (Robert Beach) Date: Mon Jan 27 11:58:00 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: Lists In-Reply-To: References: <924609c553de47c998ad56714ede5a2e@swccd.edu> Message-ID: As a screen reader user, it drives me nuts to hear that a list is starting, have one item in that list, then hear that the list is ending. Why should it be a list if it is only one item? If more items are added later, then make it a list at that point. Just my two cents worth. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Bossley, Peter A. Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 1:41 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] Lists CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Where I think I land on this is that if semantically it could be a list of multiple items but it just happens to have a single item right now that it makes sense to mark it up as a list, especially if more items will likely be a part of that list later. That said, if it will always be a single item, then a paragraph or something else would be appropriate. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Khoa Pham Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 2:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Lists Hello everyone, Is a list with one item still considered and should be marked as a list whether there will be more items added to it or not? I've always thought a list would be considered a list if it has two or more items. Thank you, Khoa Pham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is currently in a pilot program status but it's expected to grow. I'm continuing to work on this project and brainstorm solutions as well but if anyone does have insight for this topic, please share with the list. Thanks! Dawn ~~ Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. | Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@arizona.edu drc.arizona.edu | itaccessibility.arizona.edu 520-626-9409 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kitara Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 8:07 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader Compatibility with Virtual Machines Good Morning everyone, I work at an online institution which utilizes LEO as a LMS system. Within our classrooms, we provide students access to a virtual machine (or desktop) in order for them to access additional software and labs they may need in their classes. Has anyone have experienced compatibility issues with screen readers and these virtual machines (desktops)? Also, has anyone had experience working with visually impaired students in a Cybersecurity program? Which types of programs does your institution's cybersecurity programs use? Have you had issues with the compatibility of these programs with screen readers? Any information anyone has is greatly appreciated! Thanks! Kitara A. Smith Access Technology & Access Training Manager ADA Compliance Resolution Management Office of Diversity & Equity Phone: 301-985-7432 Email: kitara.smith@umuc.edu [cid:image001.jpg@01D5D688.BA7F2A10] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope that helps, elle dimopoulos she/her -----Original Message----- From: athen-list On Behalf Of athen-list-request@mailman12.u.washington.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 12:01 PM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: athen-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 16 Send athen-list mailing list submissions to athen-list@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to athen-list-request@mailman12.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at athen-list-owner@mailman12.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Screen Reader Compatibility with Virtual Machines (Kitara Smith) 2. Re: Screen Reader Compatibility with Virtual Machines (Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 15:07:21 +0000 From: Kitara Smith To: "athen-list@u.washington.edu" Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader Compatibility with Virtual Machines Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good Morning everyone, I work at an online institution which utilizes LEO as a LMS system. Within our classrooms, we provide students access to a virtual machine (or desktop) in order for them to access additional software and labs they may need in their classes. Has anyone have experienced compatibility issues with screen readers and these virtual machines (desktops)? Also, has anyone had experience working with visually impaired students in a Cybersecurity program? Which types of programs does your institution's cybersecurity programs use? Have you had issues with the compatibility of these programs with screen readers? Any information anyone has is greatly appreciated! Thanks! Kitara A. Smith Access Technology & Access Training Manager ADA Compliance Resolution Management Office of Diversity & Equity Phone: 301-985-7432 Email: kitara.smith@umuc.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5312 bytes Desc: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) 1.jpg URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 17:08:42 +0000 From: "Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker)" To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader Compatibility with Virtual Machines Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good morning, I'm working on a similar issue here at the University of Arizona. We've acquired Apporto and the interface isn't playing nicely with a screen reader which, based on my research, I highly suspected would be the case. This is currently in a pilot program status but it's expected to grow. I'm continuing to work on this project and brainstorm solutions as well but if anyone does have insight for this topic, please share with the list. Thanks! Dawn ~~ Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. | Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@arizona.edu drc.arizona.edu | itaccessibility.arizona.edu 520-626-9409 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kitara Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 8:07 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader Compatibility with Virtual Machines Good Morning everyone, I work at an online institution which utilizes LEO as a LMS system. Within our classrooms, we provide students access to a virtual machine (or desktop) in order for them to access additional software and labs they may need in their classes. Has anyone have experienced compatibility issues with screen readers and these virtual machines (desktops)? Also, has anyone had experience working with visually impaired students in a Cybersecurity program? Which types of programs does your institution's cybersecurity programs use? Have you had issues with the compatibility of these programs with screen readers? Any information anyone has is greatly appreciated! Thanks! Kitara A. Smith Access Technology & Access Training Manager ADA Compliance Resolution Management Office of Diversity & Equity Phone: 301-985-7432 Email: kitara.smith@umuc.edu [cid:image001.jpg@01D5D688.BA7F2A10] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I also know that 14 cells is fine for tweeting and texting but an inconvenient pain for studying and reading. So I want 40 cells if possible. I also know that all the built-in features like note-taking can be useful in a classroom but a disaster for test proctoring. We won't be loaning these to students to take home because they are so delicate, but of course we will let them use the displays. I also know that there's a significant learning curve for most displays. So many buttons and if you press the wrong one surprises occur. So ideally I want simple, 40 cels, easy to use and hard to break. Not always easy to find! Brailliant BI https://store.humanware.com/hus/brailliant-bi-40-new-generation.html Humanware has a great reputation, but so did Baum and look what happened to them. Our regular vendor would like us to buy this one. Basic Braille: https://www.hims-inc.com/product/basic-braille/ Looks very easy to use, but it's another German company who just has a U.S. distributor. Braille Edge: http://himsintl.com/product/braille-edge-40/ You know I don't need a Braille display to "manage my life"I just need ones that display Braille! But they keep trying to win the features war. Hims is a Korean company that has really stormed the market. I hope they last! My vendor really loves this one; wonder what his commission is! Freedom Scientific Focus 40 Blue https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/blindness/focus40brailledisplay/ I'd buy this if it was my money. But our local regular vendor is annoyed with FS because they no longer support dealers. I hate to stiff my regular vendor and this display is complex to use. Orbit Reader 20 https://www.orbitresearch.com/product/orbit-reader-20/ Cheap! But only 20 cells. Easy to use, relatively. But it has an SD card; students could easily stick their exam answers on it. Also a slow refresh rate. Alva 640 https://in.optelec.com/products/alva-640-comfort.html Also not easy to use. And I can't even find a price. QBraille XL https://www.hims-inc.com/product/qbraille-xl/ Our vendor loves this one! Thinks it's ideal for a lab because it has keys for Windows, enter, tab etc. My opinion: blind college students need to learn to use a QWERTY keyboard, but maybe I'm being rigid. Has lots of note-taking built in and I found it kind of big compared to others. All these support Windows, Linux, IOS, Mac and all common screen readers. Remember many Braille displays still in use no longer exist to purchase. Your thoughts and other recommendations welcome. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Thu Jan 30 14:00:23 2020 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Thu Jan 30 14:01:16 2020 Subject: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes Message-ID: I've been playing around with PowerPoint (2013 for Windows) and NVDA. It's always been emphasized not to use text boxes and instead to use the slide layouts but I notice that NVDA reads the text boxes without problem although you may need to rearrange the order in the selection pane. I can see that the text boxes are missing from the outline view but I can't see to get NVDA to read that pane in any case. Does the admonition against text boxes still apply? -- Regards, Howard Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Westminster, Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late February. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of Spring 2020 webinars . Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. 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If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 3:00 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes I've been playing around with PowerPoint (2013 for Windows) and NVDA. It's always been emphasized not to use text boxes and instead to use the slide layouts but I notice that NVDA reads the text boxes without problem although you may need to rearrange the order in the selection pane. I can see that the text boxes are missing from the outline view but I can't see to get NVDA to read that pane in any case. Does the admonition against text boxes still apply? -- Regards, Howard Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Westminster, Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late February. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of Spring 2020 webinars. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Thu Jan 30 14:17:56 2020 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Thu Jan 30 14:18:54 2020 Subject: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Susan! Good to know. -Howard On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:17 PM Susan Kelmer wrote: > Well, that?s interesting! NVDA is always making advancements, unlike > Jaws, and they may have solved this puzzle. > > > > However, if a screenreader user is using Jaws, then there will still be a > problem as Jaws won?t read (or even see) those text boxes. > > > > *Susan Kelmer * > > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > > Disability Services > > Division of Student Affairs > > *T* 303 735 4836 > > *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices > * > > > > > > [image: cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] > > > > *Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this > message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message. * > > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Howard Kramer > *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 3:00 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes > > > > I've been playing around with PowerPoint (2013 for Windows) and NVDA. It's > always been emphasized not to use text boxes and instead to use the slide > layouts but I notice that NVDA reads the text boxes without > problem although you may need to rearrange the order in the selection pane. > I can see that the text boxes are missing from the outline view but I can't > see to get NVDA to read that pane in any case. > > > > Does the admonition against text boxes still apply? > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Howard > > > > Howard Kramer > > Conference Coordinator > > Accessing Higher Ground > > 303-492-8672 > > cell: 720-351-8668 > > > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > * in > Westminster, Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be > announced late February. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of Spring 2020 webinars > . Site > capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your > earliest convenience for the largest selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > * > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Regards, Howard Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Westminster, Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late February. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of Spring 2020 webinars . Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. 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We have just launched the most recent pilot using this virtual machine and have not yet had any identified students in the affected courses so I don't have any input from the students on this alternative. We have also worked with the colleges to develop alternative assignments in case the technical challenges of using the screen reader (which may not be the student's preferred screen reader) become insurmountable. Kelly From: athen-list On Behalf Of Hunziker, Dawn A - (hunziker) Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 10:09 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Screen Reader Compatibility with Virtual Machines CAUTION: External Email Good morning, I'm working on a similar issue here at the University of Arizona. We've acquired Apporto and the interface isn't playing nicely with a screen reader which, based on my research, I highly suspected would be the case. This is currently in a pilot program status but it's expected to grow. I'm continuing to work on this project and brainstorm solutions as well but if anyone does have insight for this topic, please share with the list. Thanks! Dawn ~~ Dawn Hunziker IT Accessibility Consultant, Sr. | Disability Resources The University of Arizona | hunziker@arizona.edu drc.arizona.edu | itaccessibility.arizona.edu 520-626-9409 From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kitara Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 8:07 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Screen Reader Compatibility with Virtual Machines Good Morning everyone, I work at an online institution which utilizes LEO as a LMS system. Within our classrooms, we provide students access to a virtual machine (or desktop) in order for them to access additional software and labs they may need in their classes. Has anyone have experienced compatibility issues with screen readers and these virtual machines (desktops)? Also, has anyone had experience working with visually impaired students in a Cybersecurity program? Which types of programs does your institution's cybersecurity programs use? Have you had issues with the compatibility of these programs with screen readers? Any information anyone has is greatly appreciated! Thanks! Kitara A. Smith Access Technology & Access Training Manager ADA Compliance Resolution Management Office of Diversity & Equity Phone: 301-985-7432 Email: kitara.smith@umuc.edu [cid:image001.jpg@01D5D785.2A885E60] "This message is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify the sender immediately." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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NVDA is always making advancements, unlike >> Jaws, and they may have solved this puzzle. >> >> >> >> However, if a screenreader user is using Jaws, then there will still be a >> problem as Jaws won?t read (or even see) those text boxes. >> >> >> >> *Susan Kelmer * >> >> Alternate Format Production Program Manager >> >> Disability Services >> >> Division of Student Affairs >> >> *T* 303 735 4836 >> >> *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices >> * >> >> >> >> >> >> [image: cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] >> >> >> >> *Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this >> message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please >> notify the sender immediately and delete this message. * >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list *On >> Behalf Of *Howard Kramer >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 3:00 PM >> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> *Subject:* [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes >> >> >> >> I've been playing around with PowerPoint (2013 for Windows) and NVDA. >> It's always been emphasized not to use text boxes and instead to use the >> slide layouts but I notice that NVDA reads the text boxes without >> problem although you may need to rearrange the order in the selection pane. >> I can see that the text boxes are missing from the outline view but I can't >> see to get NVDA to read that pane in any case. >> >> >> >> Does the admonition against text boxes still apply? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Regards, >> >> Howard >> >> >> >> Howard Kramer >> >> Conference Coordinator >> >> Accessing Higher Ground >> >> 303-492-8672 >> >> cell: 720-351-8668 >> >> >> >> Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference >> * in >> Westminster, Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be >> announced late February. >> >> >> >> Complete program information and registration is open for our full >> line-up of Spring 2020 webinars >> . Site >> capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your >> earliest convenience for the largest selection. >> >> >> >> Not yet a member of AHEAD? *We welcome you to join AHEAD now. >> * >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > > -- > Regards, > Howard > > Howard Kramer > Conference Coordinator > Accessing Higher Ground > 303-492-8672 > cell: 720-351-8668 > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > * in Westminster, Colorado, Nov > 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late February. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of Spring 2020 webinars > . 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Yes, I can read content in text boxes in PowerPoint with my screen reader but why delete the accessible placeholders to put text boxes in their place when you can modify the available layouts or create your own and save you time you beef an alternate format. I can send you a sample of what I mean in the morning and give you a call if you like. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad > On Jan 30, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Howard Kramer wrote: > > ? > Seems to also work with JAWS. > > -Howard > >> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:17 PM Howard Kramer wrote: >> Thanks Susan! Good to know. >> >> -Howard >> >>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:17 PM Susan Kelmer wrote: >>> Well, that?s interesting! NVDA is always making advancements, unlike Jaws, and they may have solved this puzzle. >>> >>> >>> >>> However, if a screenreader user is using Jaws, then there will still be a problem as Jaws won?t read (or even see) those text boxes. >>> >>> >>> >>> Susan Kelmer >>> >>> Alternate Format Production Program Manager >>> >>> Disability Services >>> >>> Division of Student Affairs >>> >>> T 303 735 4836 >>> >>> www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: athen-list On Behalf Of Howard Kramer >>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 3:00 PM >>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >>> Subject: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes >>> >>> >>> >>> I've been playing around with PowerPoint (2013 for Windows) and NVDA. It's always been emphasized not to use text boxes and instead to use the slide layouts but I notice that NVDA reads the text boxes without problem although you may need to rearrange the order in the selection pane. I can see that the text boxes are missing from the outline view but I can't see to get NVDA to read that pane in any case. >>> >>> >>> >>> Does the admonition against text boxes still apply? >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Howard >>> >>> >>> >>> Howard Kramer >>> >>> Conference Coordinator >>> >>> Accessing Higher Ground >>> >>> 303-492-8672 >>> >>> cell: 720-351-8668 >>> >>> >>> >>> Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Westminster, Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late February. >>> >>> Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of Spring 2020 webinars. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. >>> >>> Not yet a member of AHEAD? 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URL: From hkramer at ahead.org Thu Jan 30 18:05:23 2020 From: hkramer at ahead.org (Howard Kramer) Date: Thu Jan 30 18:06:11 2020 Subject: [Athen] [WebAIM] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes In-Reply-To: <9B709BEA-8845-4D13-B3BA-734D6DFE8A32@karlencommunications.com> References: <9B709BEA-8845-4D13-B3BA-734D6DFE8A32@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Thanks Karen. I think that explains it. So the main issue seems to be when copying or converting the content to a different format, not the reading of the slides in PPT. I just want to make sure I understand all the benefits. -Howard On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 5:13 PM Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > Accessibility comes into play when you need to create a braille or large > print copy of the presentation. When you save the presentation as an > outline or RTF and add accessible structure to the text, you will have to > copy and paste everything that is in a tex box into the RTF/Word doc. Using > the default accessible placeholders saves you time and is just good > practice. > > Yes, I can read content in text boxes in PowerPoint with my screen reader > but why delete the accessible placeholders to put text boxes in their place > when you can modify the available layouts or create your own and save you > time you beef an alternate format. > > I can send you a sample of what I mean in the morning and give you a call > if you like. > > Cheers, Karen > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 30, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Howard Kramer wrote: > > > > ? > > Seems to also work with JAWS. > > > > -Howard > > > >> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:17 PM Howard Kramer > wrote: > >> Thanks Susan! Good to know. > >> > >> -Howard > >> > >>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:17 PM Susan Kelmer < > Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu> wrote: > >>> Well, that?s interesting! NVDA is always making advancements, unlike > Jaws, and they may have solved this puzzle. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> However, if a screenreader user is using Jaws, then there will still > be a problem as Jaws won?t read (or even see) those text boxes. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Susan Kelmer > >>> > >>> Alternate Format Production Program Manager > >>> > >>> Disability Services > >>> > >>> Division of Student Affairs > >>> > >>> T 303 735 4836 > >>> > >>> www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this > message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: athen-list On > Behalf Of Howard Kramer > >>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 3:00 PM > >>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > >>> Subject: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I've been playing around with PowerPoint (2013 for Windows) and NVDA. > It's always been emphasized not to use text boxes and instead to use the > slide layouts but I notice that NVDA reads the text boxes without problem > although you may need to rearrange the order in the selection pane. I can > see that the text boxes are missing from the outline view but I can't see > to get NVDA to read that pane in any case. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Does the admonition against text boxes still apply? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Howard > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Howard Kramer > >>> > >>> Conference Coordinator > >>> > >>> Accessing Higher Ground > >>> > >>> 303-492-8672 > >>> > >>> cell: 720-351-8668 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Westminster, > Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late > February. > >>> > >>> Complete program information and registration is open for our full > line-up of Spring 2020 webinars. Site capacities for all webinar events is > limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest > selection. > >>> > >>> Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> athen-list mailing list > >>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > >>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Regards, > >> Howard > >> > >> Howard Kramer > >> Conference Coordinator > >> Accessing Higher Ground > >> 303-492-8672 > >> cell: 720-351-8668 > >> > >> Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Westminster, > Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late > February. > >> > >> Complete program information and registration is open for our full > line-up of Spring 2020 webinars. Site capacities for all webinar events is > limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest > selection. > >> > >> Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > >> > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Howard > > > > Howard Kramer > > Conference Coordinator > > Accessing Higher Ground > > 303-492-8672 > > cell: 720-351-8668 > > > > Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Westminster, > Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late > February. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full > line-up of Spring 2020 webinars. Site capacities for all webinar events is > limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest > selection. > > > > Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > athen-list mailing list > > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > _______________________________________________ > To manage your subscription, visit http://list.webaim.org/ > List archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives > Address list messages to webaim-forum@list.webaim.org > -- Regards, Howard Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference * in Westminster, Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late February. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of Spring 2020 webinars . Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. 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I just want to make sure I understand all the benefits. > > -Howard > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 5:13 PM Karlen Communications < > info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > >> Accessibility comes into play when you need to create a braille or large >> print copy of the presentation. When you save the presentation as an >> outline or RTF and add accessible structure to the text, you will have to >> copy and paste everything that is in a tex box into the RTF/Word doc. Using >> the default accessible placeholders saves you time and is just good >> practice. >> >> Yes, I can read content in text boxes in PowerPoint with my screen reader >> but why delete the accessible placeholders to put text boxes in their place >> when you can modify the available layouts or create your own and save you >> time you beef an alternate format. >> >> I can send you a sample of what I mean in the morning and give you a call >> if you like. >> >> Cheers, Karen >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On Jan 30, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Howard Kramer wrote: >> > >> > ? >> > Seems to also work with JAWS. >> > >> > -Howard >> > >> >> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:17 PM Howard Kramer >> wrote: >> >> Thanks Susan! Good to know. >> >> >> >> -Howard >> >> >> >>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:17 PM Susan Kelmer < >> Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu> wrote: >> >>> Well, that?s interesting! NVDA is always making advancements, unlike >> Jaws, and they may have solved this puzzle. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> However, if a screenreader user is using Jaws, then there will still >> be a problem as Jaws won?t read (or even see) those text boxes. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Susan Kelmer >> >>> >> >>> Alternate Format Production Program Manager >> >>> >> >>> Disability Services >> >>> >> >>> Division of Student Affairs >> >>> >> >>> T 303 735 4836 >> >>> >> >>> www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this >> message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please >> notify the sender immediately and delete this message. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> From: athen-list On >> Behalf Of Howard Kramer >> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 3:00 PM >> >>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> >>> Subject: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I've been playing around with PowerPoint (2013 for Windows) and NVDA. >> It's always been emphasized not to use text boxes and instead to use the >> slide layouts but I notice that NVDA reads the text boxes without problem >> although you may need to rearrange the order in the selection pane. I can >> see that the text boxes are missing from the outline view but I can't see >> to get NVDA to read that pane in any case. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Does the admonition against text boxes still apply? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> >> >>> Regards, >> >>> >> >>> Howard >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Howard Kramer >> >>> >> >>> Conference Coordinator >> >>> >> >>> Accessing Higher Ground >> >>> >> >>> 303-492-8672 >> >>> >> >>> cell: 720-351-8668 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Westminster, >> Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late >> February. >> >>> >> >>> Complete program information and registration is open for our full >> line-up of Spring 2020 webinars. Site capacities for all webinar events is >> limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest >> selection. >> >>> >> >>> Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> athen-list mailing list >> >>> athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu >> >>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Regards, >> >> Howard >> >> >> >> Howard Kramer >> >> Conference Coordinator >> >> Accessing Higher Ground >> >> 303-492-8672 >> >> cell: 720-351-8668 >> >> >> >> Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Westminster, >> Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late >> February. >> >> >> >> Complete program information and registration is open for our full >> line-up of Spring 2020 webinars. Site capacities for all webinar events is >> limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest >> selection. >> >> >> >> Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Regards, >> > Howard >> > >> > Howard Kramer >> > Conference Coordinator >> > Accessing Higher Ground >> > 303-492-8672 >> > cell: 720-351-8668 >> > >> > Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Westminster, >> Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late >> February. >> > >> > Complete program information and registration is open for our full >> line-up of Spring 2020 webinars. Site capacities for all webinar events is >> limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest >> selection. >> > >> > Not yet a member of AHEAD? 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URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Fri Jan 31 05:33:20 2020 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Fri Jan 31 05:33:34 2020 Subject: [Athen] [WebAIM] POWERPOINT, screen readers and text boxes Message-ID: <003901d5d83b$019575e0$04c061a0$@karlencommunications.com> Yes, it is the inaccessibility or inability to port over the text content in Text Boxes in PowerPoint to an alternate format without having to copy and paste all that content into the Word/word processed document. If you think of someone who deletes all the accessible and structural placeholders on slides and replaces then with Text Boxes because that is how they were taught or their first ?go to? when creating slides, you can imagine the work (time and money) that it will take to port that content over to Word/word processed document to create the alternate format. Usually, those who like to use Text Boxes on slides will also delete the Slide Title placeholder which provides the underlying structure of the presentation if the presentation is converted to tagged PDF: the title of the presentation on the Title Slide is an H1 as are the ?titles? on the Section Break/Section Header slide while the Slide Titles on the other slide layouts will be H2?s. This facilitates navigation by Heading (or Bookmark) in the PDF document. In Word, Text Boxes are still inherently inaccessible although Microsoft has made some progress in moving them toward being more accessible. Since they are not accessed by adaptive technology (unless you know they are there and use a specific keyboard command to find them) someone using a screen reader or Text-to-Speech tool will not have access to that content. So when doing any training or webinars on accessible document design, I just say NO to Text boxes anywhere so that people aren?t confused as to the level of ?accessibility? they might have in varying applications. Most clients don?t think of having to produce an alternate format, either large print or Braille of a presentation so when I remediate presentations I provide them with the accessible PowerPoint AND the alternate format version so all they need to do is swap the Style Sets for large print or send the document to the embosser. Since I have to rebuild the slides with the Text Boxes from scratch, I?ve already got it copied so the amount of time spent creating the alternate format is not cost prohibitive and clients usually like that I?ve anticipated a need they didn?t and wouldn?t know how to provide. The word document/alternate format uses Headings, a TOC, Alt text on images which I can also copy over, Captions for images so that someone receiving Braille knows where there is an image and at the end of each slide title/Heading I put the slide number in parens. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 9:05 PM To: WebAIM Discussion List Cc: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [WebAIM] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes Thanks Karen. I think that explains it. So the main issue seems to be when copying or converting the content to a different format, not the reading of the slides in PPT. I just want to make sure I understand all the benefits. -Howard On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 5:13 PM Karlen Communications > wrote: Accessibility comes into play when you need to create a braille or large print copy of the presentation. When you save the presentation as an outline or RTF and add accessible structure to the text, you will have to copy and paste everything that is in a tex box into the RTF/Word doc. Using the default accessible placeholders saves you time and is just good practice. Yes, I can read content in text boxes in PowerPoint with my screen reader but why delete the accessible placeholders to put text boxes in their place when you can modify the available layouts or create your own and save you time you beef an alternate format. I can send you a sample of what I mean in the morning and give you a call if you like. Cheers, Karen Sent from my iPad > On Jan 30, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Howard Kramer > wrote: > > ? > Seems to also work with JAWS. > > -Howard > >> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:17 PM Howard Kramer > wrote: >> Thanks Susan! Good to know. >> >> -Howard >> >>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:17 PM Susan Kelmer > wrote: >>> Well, that?s interesting! NVDA is always making advancements, unlike Jaws, and they may have solved this puzzle. >>> >>> >>> >>> However, if a screenreader user is using Jaws, then there will still be a problem as Jaws won?t read (or even see) those text boxes. >>> >>> >>> >>> Susan Kelmer >>> >>> Alternate Format Production Program Manager >>> >>> Disability Services >>> >>> Division of Student Affairs >>> >>> T 303 735 4836 >>> >>> www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Howard Kramer >>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 3:00 PM >>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > >>> Subject: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes >>> >>> >>> >>> I've been playing around with PowerPoint (2013 for Windows) and NVDA. It's always been emphasized not to use text boxes and instead to use the slide layouts but I notice that NVDA reads the text boxes without problem although you may need to rearrange the order in the selection pane. I can see that the text boxes are missing from the outline view but I can't see to get NVDA to read that pane in any case. >>> >>> >>> >>> Does the admonition against text boxes still apply? >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Howard >>> >>> >>> >>> Howard Kramer >>> >>> Conference Coordinator >>> >>> Accessing Higher Ground >>> >>> 303-492-8672 >>> >>> cell: 720-351-8668 >>> >>> >>> >>> Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Westminster, Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late February. >>> >>> Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of Spring 2020 webinars. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. >>> >>> Not yet a member of AHEAD? 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Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Well, that?s interesting! NVDA is always making advancements, unlike Jaws, and they may have solved this puzzle. However, if a screenreader user is using Jaws, then there will still be a problem as Jaws won?t read (or even see) those text boxes. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 3:00 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes I've been playing around with PowerPoint (2013 for Windows) and NVDA. It's always been emphasized not to use text boxes and instead to use the slide layouts but I notice that NVDA reads the text boxes without problem although you may need to rearrange the order in the selection pane. I can see that the text boxes are missing from the outline view but I can't see to get NVDA to read that pane in any case. 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I?m not sure how Voice Over > deals with the textboxes since I haven?t tried it yet. > > > > > > Robert Lee Beach > > Assistive Technology Specialist > > Kansas City Kansas Community College > > 7250 State Avenue > > Kansas City, KS 66112 > > Phone: 913-288-7671 > > Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Susan Kelmer > *Sent:* Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:17 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [EXT]Re: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes > > > > *CAUTION:** This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or > open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all > suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu .* > > Well, that?s interesting! NVDA is always making advancements, unlike > Jaws, and they may have solved this puzzle. > > > > However, if a screenreader user is using Jaws, then there will still be a > problem as Jaws won?t read (or even see) those text boxes. > > > > *Susan Kelmer * > > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > > Disability Services > > Division of Student Affairs > > *T* 303 735 4836 > > *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices > * > > > > > > [image: cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] > > > > *Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this > message cannot be guaranteed. 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It's > always been emphasized not to use text boxes and instead to use the slide > layouts but I notice that NVDA reads the text boxes without > problem although you may need to rearrange the order in the selection pane. > I can see that the text boxes are missing from the outline view but I can't > see to get NVDA to read that pane in any case. > > > > Does the admonition against text boxes still apply? > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Howard > > > > Howard Kramer > > Conference Coordinator > > Accessing Higher Ground > > 303-492-8672 > > cell: 720-351-8668 > > > > Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference > * in > Westminster, Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be > announced late February. > > > > Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up > of Spring 2020 webinars > . 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Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 9:01 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes Yes, I would be curious to see how VoiceOver behaves with it. I could try it on my iPhone but that would be cumbersome. One thing I haven't been able to do is get NVDA to read the outline view pane. I can get to the outline pane but then nothing is read when move through outline with the down arrow. I assume that is possible. That would be a good demonstration to students. Thanks for the feedback. -Howard On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 6:36 AM Robert Beach > wrote: Actually, both NVDA and JAWS can see them and read them, but it isn?t reliable. Plus, if a student needs an alternate format of the PPT, then somebody has to retype all of those textboxes. I?m not sure how Voice Over deals with the textboxes since I haven?t tried it yet. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Well, that?s interesting! NVDA is always making advancements, unlike Jaws, and they may have solved this puzzle. However, if a screenreader user is using Jaws, then there will still be a problem as Jaws won?t read (or even see) those text boxes. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 3:00 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes I've been playing around with PowerPoint (2013 for Windows) and NVDA. It's always been emphasized not to use text boxes and instead to use the slide layouts but I notice that NVDA reads the text boxes without problem although you may need to rearrange the order in the selection pane. I can see that the text boxes are missing from the outline view but I can't see to get NVDA to read that pane in any case. Does the admonition against text boxes still apply? -- Regards, Howard Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Westminster, Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late February. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of Spring 2020 webinars. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Regards, Howard Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Westminster, Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late February. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of Spring 2020 webinars. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Fri Jan 31 07:31:45 2020 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Fri Jan 31 07:32:03 2020 Subject: [Athen] [EXT]Re: Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was unaware that this functionality no longer existed. We teach faculty to look at the outline pane to see if all the text on their slides is there as a way for them to check for accessibility. The outline pane view is really handy. Has anyone reached out to Freedom Scientific about this? Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 8:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes I haven?t been able to get NVDA or JAWS to read the outline pane since Office 2007. That really disappoints me since I used it a lot. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 9:01 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes Yes, I would be curious to see how VoiceOver behaves with it. I could try it on my iPhone but that would be cumbersome. One thing I haven't been able to do is get NVDA to read the outline view pane. I can get to the outline pane but then nothing is read when move through outline with the down arrow. I assume that is possible. That would be a good demonstration to students. Thanks for the feedback. -Howard On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 6:36 AM Robert Beach > wrote: Actually, both NVDA and JAWS can see them and read them, but it isn?t reliable. Plus, if a student needs an alternate format of the PPT, then somebody has to retype all of those textboxes. I?m not sure how Voice Over deals with the textboxes since I haven?t tried it yet. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Well, that?s interesting! NVDA is always making advancements, unlike Jaws, and they may have solved this puzzle. However, if a screenreader user is using Jaws, then there will still be a problem as Jaws won?t read (or even see) those text boxes. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 3:00 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes I've been playing around with PowerPoint (2013 for Windows) and NVDA. It's always been emphasized not to use text boxes and instead to use the slide layouts but I notice that NVDA reads the text boxes without problem although you may need to rearrange the order in the selection pane. I can see that the text boxes are missing from the outline view but I can't see to get NVDA to read that pane in any case. Does the admonition against text boxes still apply? -- Regards, Howard Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Westminster, Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late February. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of Spring 2020 webinars. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Regards, Howard Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Westminster, Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. 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Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Beach Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 8:27 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes I haven?t been able to get NVDA or JAWS to read the outline pane since Office 2007. That really disappoints me since I used it a lot. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 9:01 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes Yes, I would be curious to see how VoiceOver behaves with it. I could try it on my iPhone but that would be cumbersome. One thing I haven't been able to do is get NVDA to read the outline view pane. I can get to the outline pane but then nothing is read when move through outline with the down arrow. I assume that is possible. That would be a good demonstration to students. Thanks for the feedback. -Howard On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 6:36 AM Robert Beach > wrote: Actually, both NVDA and JAWS can see them and read them, but it isn?t reliable. Plus, if a student needs an alternate format of the PPT, then somebody has to retype all of those textboxes. I?m not sure how Voice Over deals with the textboxes since I haven?t tried it yet. Robert Lee Beach Assistive Technology Specialist Kansas City Kansas Community College 7250 State Avenue Kansas City, KS 66112 Phone: 913-288-7671 Email: rbeach@kckcc.edu From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:17 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [EXT]Re: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes CAUTION: This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to support@kckcc.edu. Well, that?s interesting! NVDA is always making advancements, unlike Jaws, and they may have solved this puzzle. However, if a screenreader user is using Jaws, then there will still be a problem as Jaws won?t read (or even see) those text boxes. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Howard Kramer Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 3:00 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes I've been playing around with PowerPoint (2013 for Windows) and NVDA. It's always been emphasized not to use text boxes and instead to use the slide layouts but I notice that NVDA reads the text boxes without problem although you may need to rearrange the order in the selection pane. I can see that the text boxes are missing from the outline view but I can't see to get NVDA to read that pane in any case. Does the admonition against text boxes still apply? -- Regards, Howard Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Westminster, Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late February. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of Spring 2020 webinars. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Regards, Howard Howard Kramer Conference Coordinator Accessing Higher Ground 303-492-8672 cell: 720-351-8668 Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Westminster, Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late February. Complete program information and registration is open for our full line-up of Spring 2020 webinars. Site capacities for all webinar events is limited; please register at your earliest convenience for the largest selection. Not yet a member of AHEAD? We welcome you to join AHEAD now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu Fri Jan 31 08:44:02 2020 From: Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu (Susan Kelmer) Date: Fri Jan 31 08:44:28 2020 Subject: [Athen] Fixing a PDF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is a single page document with an image at the top, a sentence of text in the middle, and two columns of text at the bottom. It is very very short, the whole thing is no more than a handful of sentences. OCR in Abbyy, it should be able to convert it just fine, even with the two columns. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Affairs T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01D598AC.79FC1C60] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 9:31 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Fixing a PDF Hello, I have a PDF flyer that, when I read it, the lines are out of order. I believe it's two pages side-by-side and the screen reader is reading a line from the left, then aline from the right, then going back and forth. I'm unsure of how to fix this. I'm attaching the flyer so you can see what I mean, but I'm only asking for the best advice on how to fix it. We have Adobe Acrobat Pro and ABBYY. Thanks! Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From info at karlencommunications.com Fri Jan 31 08:54:30 2020 From: info at karlencommunications.com (Karlen Communications) Date: Fri Jan 31 08:54:38 2020 Subject: [Athen] Fixing a PDF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006401d5d857$1be49fe0$53addfa0$@karlencommunications.com> This is an untagged PDF so it needs to be tagged. This is one of the major reasons ?infer reading order from document? doesn?t work?it doesn?t work. The document needs to be tagged, then someone has to go down the Tags Tree to make sure that all of the content that needs a Tag has a Tag, That the Tags are correct for the type of content they relate to and that the document is in a logical reading order. Cheers, Karen From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 11:31 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Fixing a PDF Hello, I have a PDF flyer that, when I read it, the lines are out of order. I believe it's two pages side-by-side and the screen reader is reading a line from the left, then aline from the right, then going back and forth. I'm unsure of how to fix this. I'm attaching the flyer so you can see what I mean, but I'm only asking for the best advice on how to fix it. We have Adobe Acrobat Pro and ABBYY. Thanks! Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Fri Jan 31 09:27:07 2020 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Fri Jan 31 09:27:29 2020 Subject: [Athen] Fixing a PDF In-Reply-To: <006401d5d857$1be49fe0$53addfa0$@karlencommunications.com> References: <006401d5d857$1be49fe0$53addfa0$@karlencommunications.com> Message-ID: Thanks, everyone. For a small Flyer like this, Susan's idea of just running it through ABBYY worked. I didn't know that part of the OCR function in ABBYY fixed the order of things, so that must mean that it does its own tagging? Either way - it worked well for this example, but I'm sure that manual tagging would be necessary for a longer, more complex document. Robert On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 11:58 AM Karlen Communications < info@karlencommunications.com> wrote: > This is an untagged PDF so it needs to be tagged. This is one of the major > reasons ?infer reading order from document? doesn?t work?it doesn?t work. > > > > The document needs to be tagged, then someone has to go down the Tags Tree > to make sure that all of the content that needs a Tag has a Tag, That the > Tags are correct for the type of content they relate to and that the > document is in a logical reading order. > > > > Cheers, Karen > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Friday, January 31, 2020 11:31 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Fixing a PDF > > > > Hello, I have a PDF flyer that, when I read it, the lines are out of > order. I believe it's two pages side-by-side and the screen reader is > reading a line from the left, then aline from the right, then going back > and forth. I'm unsure of how to fix this. I'm attaching the flyer so you > can see what I mean, but I'm only asking for the best advice on how to fix > it. We have Adobe Acrobat Pro and ABBYY. Thanks! > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chagnon at pubcom.com Fri Jan 31 10:20:19 2020 From: chagnon at pubcom.com (chagnon@pubcom.com) Date: Fri Jan 31 10:20:57 2020 Subject: [Athen] Fixing a PDF In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005801d5d863$189668d0$49c33a70$@pubcom.com> Which screen reader are you using? ? ? ? Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO | Bevi@PubCom.com ? ? ? PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services Upcoming classes at www.PubCom.com/classes ? ? ? Latest blog-newsletter ? Accessibility Tips at www.PubCom.com/blog From: athen-list On Behalf Of Robert Spangler Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 11:31 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Fixing a PDF Hello, I have a PDF flyer that, when I read it, the lines are out of order. I believe it's two pages side-by-side and the screen reader is reading a line from the left, then aline from the right, then going back and forth. I'm unsure of how to fix this. I'm attaching the flyer so you can see what I mean, but I'm only asking for the best advice on how to fix it. We have Adobe Acrobat Pro and ABBYY. Thanks! Robert -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 Phone: 937-229-2066 Fax: 937-229-3270 Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rspangler1 at udayton.edu Fri Jan 31 11:17:21 2020 From: rspangler1 at udayton.edu (Robert Spangler) Date: Fri Jan 31 11:19:34 2020 Subject: [Athen] Fixing a PDF In-Reply-To: <005801d5d863$189668d0$49c33a70$@pubcom.com> References: <005801d5d863$189668d0$49c33a70$@pubcom.com> Message-ID: NVDA, but running it through ABBYY fixed the problem. On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 1:24 PM wrote: > Which screen reader are you using? > > > > *? ? ?* > > Bevi Chagnon, founder/CEO *|* Bevi@PubCom.com > > *? ? ?* > > *PubCom: Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing* > > consulting ? training ? development ? design ? sec. 508 services > > *Upcoming classes* at www.PubCom.com/*classes* > > > *? ? ?* > > *Latest* blog-newsletter > ? Accessibility Tips > at www.PubCom.com/blog > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler > *Sent:* Friday, January 31, 2020 11:31 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Fixing a PDF > > > > Hello, I have a PDF flyer that, when I read it, the lines are out of > order. I believe it's two pages side-by-side and the screen reader is > reading a line from the left, then aline from the right, then going back > and forth. I'm unsure of how to fix this. I'm attaching the flyer so you > can see what I mean, but I'm only asking for the best advice on how to fix > it. We have Adobe Acrobat Pro and ABBYY. Thanks! > > > > Robert > > > > > -- > > Robert Spangler > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist > rspangler1@udayton.edu > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC) > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302 > Phone: 937-229-2066 > > Fax: 937-229-3270 > > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of hearing) > > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman12.u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Robert Spangler Disability Services Technical Support Specialist rspangler1@udayton.edu Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023 Ryan C. 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