[Athen] [EXT]Re: Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes

[Howard Kramer]

Must be a MS issue because it doesn't work in NVDA either.

-Howard
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I was unaware that this functionality no longer existed.  We teach faculty to look at the outline pane to see if all the text on their slides is there as a way for them to check for accessibility.  The outline pane view is really handy.



Has anyone reached out to Freedom Scientific about this?



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I haven’t been able to get NVDA or JAWS to read the outline pane since Office 2007. That really disappoints me since I used it a lot.





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Yes, I would be curious to see how VoiceOver behaves with it. I could try it on my iPhone but that would be cumbersome.



One thing I haven't been able to do is get NVDA to read the outline view pane. I can get to the outline pane but then nothing is read when move through outline with the down arrow. I assume that is possible. That would be a good demonstration to students. Thanks for the feedback.



-Howard



On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 6:36 AM Robert Beach <rbeach at kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach at kckcc.edu>> wrote:

Actually, both NVDA and JAWS can see them and read them, but it isn’t reliable. Plus, if a student needs an alternate format of the PPT, then somebody has to retype all of those textboxes. I’m not sure how Voice Over deals with the textboxes since I haven’t tried it yet.





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Well, that’s interesting!  NVDA is always making advancements, unlike Jaws, and they may have solved this puzzle.



However, if a screenreader user is using Jaws, then there will still be a problem as Jaws won’t read (or even see) those text boxes.



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I've been playing around with PowerPoint (2013 for Windows) and NVDA. It's always been emphasized not to use text boxes and instead to use the slide layouts but I notice that NVDA reads the text boxes without problem although you may need to rearrange the order in the selection pane. I can see that the text boxes are missing from the outline view but I can't see to get NVDA to read that pane in any case.



Does the admonition against text boxes still apply?



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